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  1. FE8 is definitely the shortest GBA game, but it also has the most postgame content. I thought it would be interesting to include part of the Lagdou Ruins to freshen things up. Since it's an experiment and ten chapters of routing monsters might get repetitive I thought we should just try the first five floors after defeating the Demon King. (Then again FE6 endless seize objectives are more repetitive anyway). This will make late game units a little bit better and will let other units have more time to develop and contribute than they would in the faster paced format that ends at the Demon King. It might also lead to interesting decisions regarding Warp conservation since you will want it for five additional chapters. There are really only 31 units, but for the blank 8th slot on one of the teams you can use the postgame units, although in this format the only one you may be able to unlock is Hayden, not sure if there are 200 enemies you can kill before the fifth floor. I also moved Seth one chapter earlier, FE8 doesn't front-load its roster as much as FE6/7 so I wanted to help the early game be a little bit easier. Team structure: 1. There will be four players. There are 32 units to draft. 2. All teams automatically include: a. The main lord, (Ephraim counts as the main lord for 5x) b. Tethys, c. Orson, d. The secondary lord for 8 and 15. 3. Seth may only be used starting chapter 5. 4. The player with postgame units may use any they unlock. Rules: 1. Play on Hard Mode. The game ends after beating the 5th floor of Lagdou Ruins. Defeat the Demon King before entering the Ruins 2. Restricted actions: a. You may not voluntarily deploy undrafted units except on chapters with talk recruitments, specifically 5, 9, 10, 11, 12b, 13a, 14, and 17. b. Undrafted units may move, recruit units, rescue/drop undrafted units, trade between chapters, and dig up items in the desert. c. Undrafted units may not do anything else, including but not limited to: enter combat, use items, take items or have them put in their inventory, visit (any building), rescue/drop drafted units or NPCs, steal, pick, or have a support rank. d. Drafted units may do as you please without penalty. e. Do not enter avoidable skirmishes, the Tower, or Ruins before defeating the Demon King. You must immediately retreat from unavoidable skirmishes. f. Mine/enemy control glitch is banned g. Using extra swiftsoles is banned 3. Defend chapters count the last played Player Phase for turns if the timer is waited out. 4. Map shopping is allowed, including postgame secret shops. Penalties: 1. You may use an undrafted unit as a drafted unit with a 4 turn penalty, per unit per chapter. There is no special penalty for Seth. For the auction format, I've made it simpler, arguably. The automatic team value adjustments for promo items and chapterwise redundancy are removed, though the redundancy function is still applied to the teams as a whole. Instead you can set synergy values for pairs of units manually. For example, you might set a -2 value between Franz and Gilliam, since one of them would need to delay their promotion so their value is lower than it would be otherwise. This lets people cover not only promo item and chapterwise redundancy, but redundant team roles (e.g. flier, warper), route split considerations (e.g. Cormag goes poorly with Innes and Saleh), and pretty much anything you can think of. You can PM me your synergy values with your bids formatted like they are in the sample auction below. If you want you can also choose to set all your synergy values to the median of the values people did submit; in that case just submit bids. By the way, my bids/synergy values are the ones used in the sample, not bothering with mocking up different values and hashing mine to prove they aren't changed. Feel free to try over/underbidding me. Example auction: For some reason uploading the Python files that run the auction isn't working right now, I'll try again in a bit, if need be I guess I'll paste them in or upload them somewhere else and post a link. Edit: yeah I keep getting an error with -200 and no other message when trying to attach these. Main.py AuctionState.py Pricing.py GameData.py
  2. Hey, it's been about 6 months since the last time and I got inspired while learning Python to remake the auctioneer program as an exercise, so I felt like doing another race. Here's the last one for context. For those unfamiliar, the way this works is rather than selecting units one by one, we all bid privately on each character in terms of turn-count penalty, then they get assigned to us along with turn-count handicaps by a program. I've attached a PDF detailing the rationale and operation of the auction. I'll also attach the Python files. Create a text file with your bids each on a separate line (plus an extra 0 for the blank slot) and it will automatically create some random values for the other players and run the auction. I'd delete the line that does rotations in Main.py to save some time while you experiment. Here's the rules, I've bolded some parts that are different from usual. If anyone has strong opinions I'll consider adjustments. I kept the bit about survive chapters becoming rout chapters, the optional Gaiden turn-counts are reduced, Marcus is no longer split into two units, early game penalty is reduced, and what you can do with others' units is generally better defined and restricted. Team structure 1a. There will be five players. 1b. There are 34 units. One team will have 6 units; the others will have 7. 2. All teams automatically include: a. Hector, b. Merlinus, Ninian/Nils, and Athos due to their unique nature, c. Wallace/Gietz and Harken/Karel as they would only create dead team slots. 3. Bartre and Karla come as a pair. 4. If you get Marcus, he may only be used freely starting chapter 17x. Rules of play 1. The game will be played on Hector Normal Mode, skipping Lyn Mode. 2. Restricted actions a. You may only deploy other player's units on chapters with units recruitable by a specific non-Hector unit or desert items, specifically 14, 17, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 27, and 28. b. Another player's units under your control may ONLY move, recruit units (any), rescue/drop other players' units (not yours or NPCs), trade between chapters, and dig up items in the desert. c. They may not do anything else, including but not limited to: enter combat, use items/staves, trade/merch mid-chapter, visit (any building), rescue/drop your units or NPCs, steal, or build supports. d. Your units may do as you please without penalty. e. Mine/enemy control glitch is banned. 3. All Gaiden Chapters except 19xx, 23x and 28x must be visited. 23x and 28x are optional, and don't count towards the total turn-count up to 15 turns taken per chapter. The value is shortened from 20 which feels like too long. The last bridges needed to reach Sonia on 28x open turn 9 so even without water transport you can seize in 15. 4a. Chapters 13x, 15, 28, and 31 count the last Player Phase for which enemies are present for turns (or last PP if enemy not routed). 4b. Chapter 26 counts as 11 turns and is excluded from 4a so the player does not need to kill Vaida, and so that Vaida is actually usable. Penalties 1a. You may use an another player's unit as yours with a 4 turn penalty, per unit per chapter. 1b. The penalty is instead 3 turns for chapters 12, 13, and 13x due to forced deployment and to mitigate unfun early game. Exceptions 1. Matthew is free for Chapter 11. 2. Unarmed units may be attacked in Chapter 13x. 3. Lyn, Kent, Sain, and Wil may act freely in the southeast 5x5 box for Chapter 16. 4. Undrafted Thieves may be used to obtain necessary Promotion items. PM me your bids if interested, and post below so others can see how many slots remain. Please format your bids in the following order to make it easy for me to accurately create the bid file (example values given are the medians of the previous FE7 auction): The SHA-256 hash for my own bids is a47d4291ad131a370119711f848893ef99cc909c90ecd120be5b8f63c4377b51. feAuctionDoc.pdf AuctionState.py GameData.py Main.py Pricing.py
  3. Next up, we have Sacred Stones round 2, and Seth is out on probation (useable from chapter 6 onward). Furthermore, the secondary lord and Myrrh are not free; each will be joining only one team as well. This means the final team sizes will be smaller by 1.25 on average (Lord + Tethys + 7.75 =9.75 as opposed to 2 Lords + Tethys + Myrrh + 7 = 11), but final teams of size 11 generally have filler anyway. Plus I never saw a unit I didn't want to crowd source ratings to input into a computer that outputs a number to tell me how good they are. Except dancers, they dynamically change the value of other units too much. But I don't see why everyone should require Ephraim and Myrrh. Oh, and no free rides for trainees in the Tower: if you suck, your presence on a team will not be subsidized. I disallowed some undrafted unit behavior that is normally allowed, like shopping, trading around equipped items on drafted units, picking up NPCs, etc. If anyone thinks this is too restrictive I'd be open to changing my mind. They can still dig up desert items though; blocking that would just create more quasi-mandatory RNG abuse. Team structure: 1a. There will be four players. 1b. There are 31 units to assign. One team will have 7 units; the other three will have 8. 2. All teams may use: a. The main lord, (Ephraim counts as the main lord for 5x) b. Tethys, c. Orson, d. The secondary lord for 8 and 15. 3. If assigned, Seth may only be used starting chapter 6. Rules: 1. The game will be played on Hard Mode. 2a. Unassigned units may move, recruit units, rescue/drop unassigned units, trade between chapters, and dig up items in the desert. 2b. Unassigned units may not do anything else, including but not limited to enter combat, use items, trade/merch mid-chapter, visit (any building), rescue/drop assigned units or NPCs, steal, pick, or build Supports. 2c. Assigned units may do as they please without penalty. 3. Defend chapters count the last played Player Phase for turns if the timer is waited out. 4. Map shopping is allowed. 5. Do not enter avoidable skirmishes, the Tower, or Ruins. Unavoidable skirmishes must be immediately fled from. 5*. Tower is NOT allowed for Amelia or Ewan Penalties: 1. You may use an unassigned unit as assigned unit with a 4 turn penalty, per unit per chapter. 1*. There is NO special penalty for Seth. The bidding system has been upgraded with new, fancy number crunching and lots of matrices (hence the thread title). Check out the attached pdf for a thorough explanation and the txt files for how the system would have worked on the past auctions. Here is the github repo for the code that executes the auction. It isn't required reading though, just bidding as in the previous rounds should be fine. It's not like you need an html tutorial to use this website after all. SHA256 of my bids: C704068DE12BFB256C60A9AEC85AD403BBDEB8E0880D0C1916AED00515CC4ABE Send your bids in a PM like in the spoiler. These numbers are the median bids from the first FE8 auction, which also allowed Tower training, so don't just blindly copy (or do, I'm not your boss). There's also one empty team slot which will automatically be entered as a bid of zero for everyone. I was also wondering about using two bids per unit, one for each route. I'm not implementing that this time, but what do you think of the idea? It seems like you only go Ephraim route if you get Cormag, but that still leaves one team that potentially is misrated. feAuctionDoc.pdf fe8output.txt fe7Aoutput.txt fe7Boutput.txt
  4. The rule about Marcus being free up to Chapter 16 results in Marcus dominating those chapters, overshadowing the earlygame units, and making strategies and turncounts far more homogeneous among the players. There have been drafts [1] [2] that restricted Marcus to Chapter 22 for only the player that drafted him, but why not also allow him to be drafted before that point as well? Marcus before Chapter 22 is still pretty overcentralizing, so I arbitrarily set the divide point at 19x / 20. Earlygame Marcus exists for 11 chapters, lategame Marcus for 18 chapters, which seems very roughly equal in value. Since there are "two" more units now, Wallace/Geitz and Harken/Karel are demoted to "free" again. They would just make dead team slots anyway and make balancing teams harder. The rule about defend chapters is somewhat lame as well. This time, four out of the five will be treated as rout enemy chapters (the exception is Vaida's so you don't have to kill her in Ch26). After killing all the enemies, you can visit, build supports etc. as usual. I'm not sure how best to spice up the optional gaiden chapters, if at all, so this time they're unchanged. Rules of Play This will be auction style again. What's the point of having two guinea pig tests if not to iterate on the method? You can check these [1] [2] threads for more info if you aren't familiar with the concept. I've made a few improvements as well. PM me your bids and post so others know how many slots are left if you want to play. Here are some sample bids based of the prices generated for the last auction. Think carefully. Remember early game units will be more valuable without free Marcus. The change of defend chapters to rout chapters means there are more turns possible to save, so good units have more potential. And lastly, these prices are still somewhat flawed even under the rules of play they were generated for. There are almost certainly over 40 units of inaccuracy in these prices. If you change your mind before the last person joins, feel free to change your bids. Here is a pastebin of the lua script I'll be using. You can run it a variety of ways including vba. You can fiddle with the bids at line 786 to see it in action and test things out. SHA256 hash of my bids: c84903f0bb442ab73c260e870f15008100552ed92c17fd371ad99b3f5a2e35e4
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