Raven Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Remember the FESS integration bull? Matt and Lyle were terribly shitty about it, and I'd be happy to dredge it up. Yeah, you might say "foul play, it's Matt and Lyle" but it still proves the point that there are people who use it and standard forum anachronisms like it to be dipshits. That's what I'm trying to get at: it can do harm, it has done harm, and "it doesn't do any harm as we speak and I kind of like using it for something that signifies nothing" sounds like a pointlessly obstinate argument. If you won't even consider changing your mind over defending something you borderline agree is worthless, something's up.That is not to say here aren't multiple sides being elitist to each other, but hey :party: Their actions were not based on post count, but rather their thoughts on "original" SF members and the joining FESS members. I don't know why they decided to separate the two, since I personally view each member is an individual, no matter the background, but they decided not to for their own reasons. Bottom line was, it was join time which influenced their thoughts, and not post count. It just so happened that the members who had been around longer had higher post counts. From this perspective, why not get rid of join times and dates as well? Since they are just as damaging, if not more damaging, if there is any damage being done any more since the things that were said back then. Everything is going smoothly, despite the post count still being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 I can't see it being removed, no matter what arguments are put up against it. The awesome part is that there aren't any except... Remember the FESS integration bull? Matt and Lyle were terribly shitty about it, and I'd be happy to dredge it up. Yeah, you might say "foul play, it's Matt and Lyle" but it still proves the point that there are people who use it and standard forum anachronisms like it to be dipshits. That's what I'm trying to get at: it can do harm, it has done harm, and "it doesn't do any harm as we speak and I kind of like using it for something that signifies nothing" sounds like a pointlessly obstinate argument. If you won't even consider changing your mind over defending something you borderline agree is worthless, something's up.That is not to say here aren't multiple sides being elitist to each other, but hey :party: I respect how you have actually come up with decent reasoning to get rid of it rather than just "Get rid of it," "lolElitism" HA HA HA HA HA HA! aka what everyone else who is against keeping it is saying, aka tons of bullshit. On to what you said, it's worth noting that Matt and Lyle don't post her anymore. Wasn't Matt banned? And the FESS integration was almost a year ago or something, I don't really remember. The point is, I can't see anyone who posts here regularly being like that if something like the FESS merge incident pops up. And, like someone previously said, it can also have a negative affect, turning everywhere into Far From the Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Their actions were not based on post count, but rather their thoughts on "original" SF members and the joining FESS members. I don't know why they decided to separate the two, since I personally view each member is an individual, no matter the background, but they decided not to for their own reasons. Bottom line was, it was join time which influenced their thoughts, and not post count. It just so happened that the members who had been around longer had higher post counts. From this perspective, why not get rid of join times and dates as well? Since they are just as damaging, if not more damaging, if there is any damage being done any more since the things that were said back then. Everything is going smoothly, despite the post count still being used. Getting rid of all those pointless statistics runs with my train of thought, yes. See The Ashtray's general forum profile for an example. I recognize that people are being cool about these functions at the moment (don't quote me here if somebody randomly starts being shit and I don't notice), but the thing is I don't see how it helps anybody in any meaningful way, in how having it, and having that little stat on mind when looking at a common profile at every post is better than taking it away and take away any semblance of an idea that how many times you have said something matters. People spamming like there's no tomorrow if it gets removed.. I don't really follow. If people do spam, the mods are within their rights to make them turn it into something constructive or shut up, right? Taking a few statistics away shouldn't take away (from people that aren't the lowest form of stupid) the idea that a given post in a normal section should be based on something that isn't nonsense by my train of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) If you want to see how many posts a person has made, look at his or her posts. That'll tell you exactly how many posts they have, including FFtF posts. It's really not that difficult, or time consuming, and it's actually more accurate because it counts ALL posts, not just ones the administration decides to count. From this perspective, why not get rid of join times and dates as well? Since they are just as damaging, if not more damaging, if there is any damage being done any more since the things that were said back then. Everything is going smoothly, despite the post count still being used. I don't see what would be wrong with getting rid of join times or dates. Were you trying to use that example for a specific argument? As a side note: I really hate the, "everything is going smoothly," argument that people make. Just because things are going "smoothly" doesn't mean you can't improve it. This is a suggestion for improvement, not a suggestion to overturn the forums and create a new world. Edited June 29, 2009 by Crystal Shards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
book of life Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I personally never thought of post count or dates joined as a big deal (it is what it is). But it seems you guys are a in a dilemma of your own, which by the way, I will gladly leave myself out of. If you guys feel this is will help whatever the dilemma is, then do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 As a side note: I really hate the, "everything is going smoothly," argument that people make. Just because things are going "smoothly" doesn't mean you can't improve it. This is a suggestion for improvement, not a suggestion to overturn the forums and create a new world. Point is, it's not improving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Point is, it's not improving it. Point is, it's not devaluing it. Edited June 29, 2009 by Crystal Shards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Honestly, I would think it would have an opposite effect. Seeing how active FFtF is means that users don't care too much for post count. If they did, no one would ever post in FFtF. If you never gained posts in any forum, you basically turn it into FFtF. Sure you can still punish spammers, but they'll feel their spam is justified anyway since they don't gain anything from it.Anybody get what I'm saying? It could work the other way, too. People won't feel the need to post "haha" and "this" to up their postcount. There's already rules against such replies, but with absolutely no benefit (+1) there's no reason to risk getting warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Point is, it's not devaluing it. Suggesting a change that isn't an improvement sounds kind of pointless to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 It does infrequent, small harm and no good. Sounds like getting rid of a cold sore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 In other words, there's little to no point in getting rid of it. Don't see why this is an issue, once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Sounds obstinate for its own sake. It prevents some theoretical way, which has occurred before, for people to be elitist pricks. It doesn't encourage harm in any way. We can at least agree that this should not be a problem, since nobody thinks any more than one side has half a decent point. This is some retarded circular shit at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Post count? It's really a matter of opinion. I wouldn't say it needs to stay, but I wouldn't say it needs to be trashed. Some people just like to know how much they talk, or keep a record, and others use it to feel they're better than others. It's a double edged sword really. I would be satisfied no matter what happens I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 It's really funny to see that this is still an issue people keep brining up. Is it really that big a deal to you? Who cares if people have postcount, or they dont. They haven't gotten rid of it yet despite the many attempts to do so, why get rid of it now. Seems like an unneccesary task if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) others use it to feel they're better than others. Which is why I will continue to say it has no reason to stay, and is worth the staff's small amount of effort involved to take away until I get an answer. To anybody with something like a deciding hand: thoughts? Something? Edited June 30, 2009 by Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguu Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 It's really funny to see that this is still an issue people keep brining up. Is it really that big a deal to you? Who cares if people have postcount, or they dont. They haven't gotten rid of it yet despite the many attempts to do so, why get rid of it now.Seems like an unneccesary task if you ask me. Why not get rid of it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 If we're going to get rid of postcount (which is a good idea), now would probably be the time to do it Why ge rid of them? The arguements could be petty, but at least I find it fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I'm sorry but could you say that in different terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Some people just like to know how much they talk, or keep a record, Again, it's just as easy to look at someone's posts. That's more accurate than post count anyway. I don't care either way, I'm just surprised at how stupid some of the arguments in this thread are. Post count serves NO purpose. It's not even accurate. Keep it if you want, take it off if you want, but for God's sake stop acting like it does something important when it doesn't. If you take it off, people will find other ways to be elitist, if they were stupid enough to act like post count matters in the first place. These people tend to find ways to get banned. If you take it off, you can still see an accurate count for your posts, more accurate than the post count, actually. If you keep it, some morons will still find it a good indicator of intelligence or whatever the hell they're being elitist about. If you keep it, it'll just sit there and do nothing on the left side like it always has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltoshen Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) Quantity doesn't say much, if anything. Quality does, however. A person may have many reasons for having a high post count (e.g. spam, having a lot to say, being here for a really long time, what have you), so post count tells you pretty much nothing about them. Number of posts doesn't tell you whether they're respected, whether they've just been here a long time or spam, where they've posted, or what they've said. It tells you how many posts they've made in boards that count posts. That's one bit of information, and it's not a very useful bit at that. And...you want something in our profiles to list if we're respected or not? Or if we make quality posts? I believe that's up to the people who read the posts to determine. If I disagree with the opinions of another, I'm not going to let how well they're respected get in the way of me telling them so. btw, the last part of my post was a generalization. There's always going to be exceptions. Maybe you didn't get what I was trying to hint at. Edited July 6, 2009 by Eltoshen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I didn't get a post deleted here did I? Since I haven't gotten messaged about it, uh, if nobody minds and this isn't a conspiracy? Weird. From what I remember of what I said: are you agreeing with her or disagreeing for its sake or what? Seriously, no derisive BS here, I am not sure how to interpret your tone. Taking away post count, and should we go on to that, join date, member#, usergroups other than mods/etc, can only serve to encourage more interpretation of a post based on its content, rather than nothing little forum statistics. You sound like you would be encouraging this, so why not do away with those stats being displayed every time a post is read when they don't serve a purpose relevant to the post, most often? Edited July 6, 2009 by Rehab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I didn't get a post deleted here did I? Since I haven't gotten messaged about it, uh, if nobody minds and this isn't a conspiracy?Weird. From what I remember of what I said: are you agreeing with her or disagreeing for its sake or what? Seriously, no derisive BS here, I am not sure how to interpret your tone. Taking away post count, and should we go on to that, join date, member#, usergroups other than mods/etc, can only serve to encourage more interpretation of a post based on its content, rather than nothing little forum statistics. You sound like you would be encouraging this, so why not do away with those stats being displayed every time a post is read when they don't serve a purpose relevant to the post, most often? Member number can only be erradicated (iirc) if you change the URL pattern of the forum. And while I'm not too knowledgeable about that, doing so might just create a plethora of dead links... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 And...you want something in our profiles to list if we're respected or not? Or if we make quality posts? I believe that's up to the people who read the posts to determine. If I disagree with the opinions of another, I'm not going to let how well they're respected get in the way of me telling them so.btw, the last part of my post was a generalization. There's always going to be exceptions. Maybe you didn't get what I was trying to hint at. When did I say that? Ohhh right. I didn't. I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words into my mouth. My point is, and a lot of people still don't seem to get it: post count means nothing. It's not even accurate. There are probably tons of people here whose ACTUAL post counts are much, much higher than the highest counted posters. Does it matter? NO. That's the fucking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urist McMarksdwarf Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I didn't think that discussing porn was allowed on this board. And you must be doing that right now using very clever allusions, since I can't imagine that anyone would seriously get all heated up over a senseless discussion like this. Edited July 6, 2009 by Urist McMarksdwarf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Shards Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I didn't think that discussing porn was allowed on this board. And you must be doing that right now using allusions, since I can't imagine that anyone would seriously get all heated up over a senseless discussion like this. *looks around* Who is heated up? Elto doesn't seem to be, and I sure as hell am not; Tiena and Rehab look fine... Edited July 6, 2009 by Crystal Shards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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