PKL Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 But that means it is really hard and impractical to get the gaidens, Kal :/. And that I must restart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 2: 13 turns clear = 25 turns total efficiency ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 3: 9 turns clear = 34 turns total that was sorta good castor got speed and so did jags! killed off navarre bow time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Why can't we just fodder people like normal? I drafted Athena considering it's not hard to kill off a bunch of people early on but why restrict it? At the very least make it so they can be sacrificed in any class before reclass comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Why can't we just fodder people like normal? I drafted Athena considering it's not hard to kill off a bunch of people early on but why restrict it? At the very least make it so they can be sacrificed in any class before reclass comes in. i would concur with this but i had to throw away an amazing levelup sequence in chapter 3 because draug got attacked by a thief tbh though I'm still not against it. affects me little either way. EDIT: more logs 4: 19 turns clear = 53 turns total jagen did really good and barst got a randomcrit to make this not 20 keen also merric failed to die when he went up GOOD MERRIC 5: 8 turns clear = 61 turns total had a beautiful 7 with good levels but forgot to trade the Unsuck Bow to Jags so he tinked the boss decided to just go with the 8 instead of reloading 6: 16 turns clear = 77 turns total AGH COYOTE 6x: 17 turns clear = whogivesafuck 7: 13 turns clear = 90 turns total but the reinforcements refused to change... 8: 6 turns clear = 96 turns total it cost barst a kill but i managed to kill off caesar sweet see ALL my fucking generics have come out Male Class B. no shit. which means i can only kill one per chapter because dmag class limit so it was good to kill caesar during the one chapter i'd take no penalty for his merc death 9: 7 turns clear = 103 turns total castor missed three consecutive 80%s so i hate him now 10: 10 turns clear = 113 turns total fucking proud of this one got the seal, the treasure, the silver bow (due to a fucked up fluke dodge by barst), shopped and out in a decent time 11: 10 turns clear = 123 turns total this is actually proving to be damn fun definitely a good thing marth has weapons enabled though 12: 11 turns clear = 134 turns total promoted barst is pretty solid even if he doesn't just wreck everything like he normally would also midia get which lets me enact phase 2 Edited April 14, 2012 by Integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 I suppose it would be alright either way as long as you don't meatshield with undrafted Knights and Generals. But, you know, people already started, and.. Well, I think that unless it's fine by everyone, changing any rule right now would be biased. Not that I care either way, but we all have different reasons to play drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) I'd rather keep it as-is. EDIT: but I don't care enough about the matter if all the other drafters unanimously want it changed Edited April 14, 2012 by Integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisition Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Considering my first few attempts of this without meatshielding failed around turn 3 or 4 (I've got a frickin' Marth and Jagen solo!) of Chapter 1, please let us meatshield. Then again, the way the rule is written, we are allowed to meatshield Chapter 1 (since all the units in Chapter 1 are in their joining chapter :P). Which then, strictly speaking, means we can use undrafted units for anything in their joining chapter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Considering my first few attempts of this without meatshielding failed around turn 3 or 4 (I've got a frickin' Marth and Jagen solo!) of Chapter 1, please let us meatshield. Then again, the way the rule is written, we are allowed to meatshield Chapter 1 (since all the units in Chapter 1 are in their joining chapter :P). Which then, strictly speaking, means we can use undrafted units for anything in their joining chapter? Um, no? I did the Marth and Jagen solo too, it isn't particularly hard. (hint: send jagen to the fort on turn 1 with an iron sword and you're basically fine) Anyway, the way it stands units can meatshield (and nothing more) on their joining chapter. That means you have Abel, Gordin, Cain, Draug, and Caeda to play with in C1; Ogma, Bord, Cord, Barst, (Castor, Darros) to play with in C2; and C3 isn't a big deal. Considering I was in your same boat and didn't have anybody die until C3 (when I deliberately killed navarre off) I don't see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisition Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Um, no? I did the Marth and Jagen solo too, it isn't particularly hard. (hint: send jagen to the fort on turn 1 with an iron sword and you're basically fine) Anyway, the way it stands units can meatshield (and nothing more) on their joining chapter. That means you have Abel, Gordin, Cain, Draug, and Caeda to play with in C1; Ogma, Bord, Cord, Barst, (Castor, Darros) to play with in C2; and C3 isn't a big deal. Considering I was in your same boat and didn't have anybody die until C3 (when I deliberately killed navarre off) I don't see the problem. Oh, I see. I'm far too used to letting my lord take a few hits the first chapter. I will try again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Yeah, we should be. (I got everyone undrafted killed there lol) Chapter 1 - 13 turns (13) Jagen stands on the fort. Marth grabs the village and he and Gordin kill the Thief. Then Marth rushes, and everyone undrafted gets killed (Draug lasted 3 turns on his own) while I failed at killing the boss due to misses, but I eventually got it. Marth got three okay levels. Edited April 14, 2012 by Serious Bananas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 12x: 18 turns clear = whogivesafuck yay reinforcement farming 13: 6 turns clear = 140 turns total this was actually really well executed please take a moment of silence for hepto the curate, who dodged five consecutive ballista shots while distracting so midia and jeigan could make range before he died 14: 9 turns clear = 149 turns total palla get catria get silver card get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Chapter 2 - 10 turns (23) Jagen rushes ahead, everyone else waits around and tries not to die, except for the undrafteds. Darros died to save Jagen's life. RIP Darros, you're contributing as much as Gordin. Chapter 3 - 12 turns (35) Rush the boss, miss him for 4 turns before killing him. Lena died. Every undrafted but Ogma is dead right now. I don't even know how Ogma lived. Chapter 4 - 12 turns (47) Marth goes left everyone else goes right. Marth spams Rapier spends some turns on a fort so Jags can catch up and then they take on the Horseman and the boss. Chapter 5 - 10 turns (57) Never Chapter 6 - 20 turns (77) No healing items, so I had to kind of turtle most of it. Especially that bastard Silver Lance Cav. Chapter 6x - 17 turns (lol) Athena get! Chapter 7 - 7 turns (84) WTF this is actually okay. Chapter 8 - 8 turns (92) I could pretend that Salad and Radd died for a heroic cause but they didn't. Oh well~ Edited April 15, 2012 by Serious Bananas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 15: 7 turns clear = 156 turns total I REGRET NOTHING except that i didn't play with the exact words of the rules to get the energy drop via flying midia anyway at this point my turncounts are going to be inferior to people who actually try 'cause not only did i take turns to get the boots but i put them on midia instead of marth S M R T 16: 15 turns clear = 170 turns total arran would have totally disrupted my feng shui oh look a dracoshield WONDER WHO GETS IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Chapter 9 - 6 turns (98) Marth ORKOed the boss lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 17: 5 turns clear = 175 turns total wanned summa dat treasure but didn't have the manpower to push through so it mostly became a palla/macellan xp farm 17x: 17 turns clear = whogivesafuck catria is ready to promote after probably one more kill yay midia got some sweet levels with some savepoint abuse (and without it) 18: 10 turns clear = 185 turns total est get midia SWAM ACROSS the RIVER so caeda could buy vulneraries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 19: 10 turns clear = 195 turns total part of my feds problem is i like treasure too much FUN FACT: I gave Midia every statbooster possible and, at level 11, she's still being beaten by an earlypromoted Catria at level 3 at everything except MAG (lol) and SPD (by one - the speedwing I just fed her). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 MIDIA IS STILL TOP TIER. I will continue after I finish Cog of Destiny =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisition Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Chap 1 13/13 Marth and Jagen solo, with a bunch of meatshields. The thief managed to keep Wrys away, and not a single fuck was given. Gazzak was a bit annoying, but Jagen beat him over the head 3 times for the kill. Also, all characters except Marth, Jagen, and Shiida died due to meatshielding. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 3.60 19 7 0 3 9 8 7 0 Jagen Paladin 2.73 23 7 1 11 9 2 9 6 Chap 2 11/24 Ogma get. Maneuvering so Darros doesn't accidentally enter combat is tricky. Killed off Castor, and barely managed to secure the village. Allowed everyone undrafted except Shiida to die. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 4.94 20 8 0 3 10 9 7 0 Jagen Paladin 3.73 23 7 1 11 9 3 9 6 Ogma Mercenary 6.09 24 7 0 13 13 3 6 0 Chap 3 7/31 Julian, Lena, and Nabarl get. Julian bravely dodged a hit so Nabarl could get away. Ogma critted Hyman to end this chapter early. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 5.27 21 8 0 3 11 10 8 0 Jagen Paladin 4.07 23 7 1 11 9 4 9 6 Ogma Mercenary 7.71 25 8 0 14 13 4 7 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Myrmidon 4.20 20 6 0 10 11 8 6 0 Lena Cleric 3.00 16 0 2 7 8 8 3 7 Chap 4 15/46 As per Da Rules, Nabarl, Jagen, Lena, and Ogma reclassed to archer class so they can equip. Unil, Dua, Quatro, and Penvo were those able to reclass to dark mages/mages/clerics. Got Bows for the team, and Nabarl got a special bow because his base skill and speed suck. Decided to go for slow kill once I hit the boss, since the team barely survived this chapter. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 6.38 22 8 0 3 12 11 9 0 Jagen Sniper 4.86 23 7 1 14 11 4 8 3 Ogma Hunter 8.88 27 11 0 10 9 5 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 6.78 21 9 0 4 6 9 9 0 Lena Archer 5.59 16 5 1 10 10 10 8 0 Matthis Cavalier base stats Chap 5 10/56 Reclassed Jagen to Sage for until I get another archer slot (Chapter 11? ewwww) Matthis received a forged bow. I get Sedgar, and he can do stuff! Trim reclassed to dark mage and meatshielded. Windex ignored, and Wolf and Vyland died. Matthis is terrible. Somehow Roshea dodged the blow that should have killed him. :/ Most importantly, Nabarl had a spectacular level, and he, Lena, and Ogma reached D bows. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 7.81 22 9 0 4 12 12 10 0 Jagen Sage 4.86 23 3 4 8 6 4 4 5 Ogma Hunter 9.62 28 12 0 10 9 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 7.55 22 10 0 5 7 10 9 0 Lena Archer 6.22 17 5 1 10 10 10 8 0 Matthis Archer 4.30 20 6 0 4 4 0 7 0 Sedgar Horseman 1.37 20 6 1 6 7 2 6 2 Chap 6 14/70 Sedgar reclassed to Warrior for growths, Gordin's old steel bow was forged. Jagen equipped a Fire tome. Hardin and Roshea meatshielded. Rickard ignored. Roshea continue to dodge 3 more hits that should have killed him, until the fourth finally did him in. Stretched really thin, everyone chumped that could, and still barely managed to survive. Lena gained strength, and Matthis gained speed and D rank! Nabarl and Ogma are awesome. Sedgar is slowly getting there. And Lena>Matthis Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 8.39 23 9 0 5 13 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 5.22 23 3 4 9 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 10.88 28 13 0 11 9 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 8.51 22 11 0 6 7 11 9 0 Lena Archer 8.37 17 6 1 11 11 11 8 0 Matthis Archer 6.30 22 6 0 5 5 1 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 2.07 28 8 0 3 8 3 6 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisition Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Sorry for double posting, but editting screws up the formatting for me, and I want this up in case my interpretation of the gaiden rule is incorrect. Chap 6x 20/70 (I blame SB if this is wrong, and have a JIC savestate to make this 19 instead) Jagen unequipped the tome. No meatshields. Angelic Robe given to Lena, for obvious reasons. Sedgar reached D rank. Lena had a useless level, while Nabarl had another awesome level. Boss abused for 9 turns. Matthis gained both Speed and Strength! :O Athena vuz ignored. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 8.74 23 9 0 5 13 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 5.22 23 3 4 9 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 11.81 28 13 0 11 10 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 9.28 24 11 0 6 8 12 10 0 Lena Archer 9.75 24* 6 1 11 11 11 8 0 Matthis Archer 8.79 24 7 0 6 6 2 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 3.19 30 9 0 4 9 3 7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 UP TO 20 turns is inclusive. 21 and you get 21 turns knocked off your score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Done up to chapter 5. Quick question before I do it though, can I suicide generics in their regular class? I got really unlucky and got all B class generics...so only 1 dark mage per map...means i cant acess 6x...EDIT: and yes, i suicided everyone. Oh well.                      Chapter 1 done in 10 turns. Sacrificed everyone. Killed boss with marth, it could have been 9 but i wanted marth to get that kill :/ and draug to die. Abel and caeda got gr8 levels and marf got an HP only level...chapter 2 was done in 6 turns, sacrificed everyone, got the village and all that stuff, recruited daross in turn 1 EP. Chapter 3 done in 7 or was it 8? somewhere between 7 and 9, ill check in epilogue sorry. Chapter 4 done in 8 turns. Marth's rapier was forged and he basically solo'd with some help from the awesome (and blessed) sniper!jeigan. Hes so clutch <3. Caeda is also proc'ing way too much def and too little str. Darros got str and spd woot and abel got hp str skl spd lck gogo abel! Chapter 5 done in 7 turns. Rapier marf handled the boss. Sacrificed what i could and trained my archers with an iron bow forge. EDIT 2: OMG im so dumb. I have 14 units starting ch 6. So i will get 6x no matter what :). Edited April 19, 2012 by PKL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Yeah, since generics never exclude you from getting to Gaidens if you don't recruit unneeded characters. E: And no, you're not allowed to sacrifice them in other classes. Edited April 19, 2012 by カルル Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisition Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Thanks for confirming, Integ. Progress! Chap 7 14/84 Jagen re-equipped the fire. Xestu the Dark Mage and Dexa the Healer brought to chump. Julian went shopping for steel bows, might as well stock up now... Ban-Ban ignored. Sedgar got a new bow this time around. All but Catria of the flyers died. Lena and Nabarl, why are you so good? Lena and Nabarl both at C rank. Would have taken 13 turns if my team didn't keep whiffing Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 9.91 24 9 0 6 13 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 5.99 23 3 4 9 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 12.55 29 13 0 12 11 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 10.63 24 11 0 7 9 13 11 0 Lena Archer 11.47 25 7 1 13 13 13 8 0 Matthis Archer 9.60 25 8 0 6 7 2 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 4.29 32 10 0 5 10 4 8 0 Chap 8 11/95 Last Chapter with Jagen equipped for a while. Radd shopped for the rapier. Forged one of the steel bows. Also finally forced to sell shit. Hepto the Dark Mage, Hendexa the Mage, and Caesar chumped. Played this one a bit close, but managed to survive, thanks to Lena's high avoid. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 11.50 25 10 0 7 14 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 6.44 23 3 5 10 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 13.59 29 13 0 12 12 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 11.59 24 11 0 7 10 13 11 0 Lena Archer 12.83 26 8 2 13 13 14 8 0 Matthis Archer 10.54 26 8 0 6 8 3 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 5.10 34 11 0 6 11 4 9 0 Radd Myrmidon base stats Chap 9 7/102 Jagen unequipped for a while. Radd reclassed to Archer via Da Rules. Lena temporarily reclassed to Mage. Radd received a forged bow. Octu the Dark Mage, Wymp the Curate, and Owend the Cleric brought along as meatshields. Marth ORKO'd the Manakete thanks to Killing Edge, and the Chapter was quick. New Stat Wpn is just the weapon level for the unit (bow level for all but Marth) Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wpn Marth Lord 12.67 26 10 0 8 14 14 10 0 C Jagen Sage 6.44 23 3 5 10 6 4 4 6 - Ogma Hunter 13.59 29 13 0 12 12 6 5 0 C Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 12.00 25 12 0 8 11 13 11 0 C Lena Mage 12.83 26 3 5 11 12 14 4 3 - Matthis Archer 10.78 26 8 0 6 8 3 7 0 C Sedgar Warrior 5.51 34 11 0 6 11 4 9 0 C Radd Archer 2.37 18 7 0 2 3 2 8 0 E Chap 10 23/124 (fuck this chapter without healing) Suddenly, a new archer slot appeared! Lena inserted. Matthis given Goddess Icon. Two meatshields brought. Steel Bow forged. Eventually decided I had to turtle inside the fortress, which involved recruiting Maria and Minerva to meatshield. Ogma promoted as soon as he could. Around turn 18 I finally managed to break free. Then I could grab vulneraries, and kill off the boss. Barely got through. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wpn Marth Lord 14.85 28 11 0 9 15 16 10 0 B Jagen Sage 6.44 23 3 5 10 6 4 4 6 - Ogma Horseman 1.69 32 13 0 15 15 6 8 3 C Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 14.29 27 12 0 9 11 14 11 0 C Lena Archer 13.70 26 8 2 14 13 15 8 0 - Matthis Archer 12.15 28 9 0 6 8 5* 7 0 C Sedgar Warrior 6.17 36 12 0 7 12 4 10 0 C Radd Archer 5.17 20 8 0 3 5 4 10 0 E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Starting chapter 11. Its going so much better once i got out of chapter 8. Should i seal this caeda now? HP 20 Str 8 Mag 0 Skl 13 Spd 20 Lck 18 Def 11 Res 0 Bow C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Promoted caeda in C11 and i definetely had to, it was hard as it is with 7 move. TC drop post: stats and details when im on my comp. Chapter 6 - 14 turns, Chapter 6 - 20/free, chapter 7 - 7 turns, Chapter 8 - 6 turns, Chapter 9 - 6 turns, Chapter 10 8 turns, Chapter 11 - 11 turns, Chapter 12 9 turns (got the boots), Chapter 12x 19/Free, Chapter 13 4 turns (parthia caeda ORKOs boss but she cant get there in 3 turns), Chapter 14 - 6 turns. Chapter 15 and up is going to be even easier, what with all the silver/steel bows i bought in ch 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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