Bagfisch Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Since we have Hoshido as Japanese/Asian style nation and Nohr as western style Nation. I have thought up the concept of another huge faction. Of course not in this game. Muslim style units like Arabs or even Ottomans would use shamshirs as swords and ride camels for mounted units, maybe even elephant-like creatures. Maybe even introduce firearms into the series. What do you think? Is it something that would be possible in future FE games since I'm pretty sure IS won't just throw away all those Japanese weapons after If. Do you have your own ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRTJR Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I would love an Ottoman styled nation in future FEs, or Russian, there are more places to draw from in future FE to give new and exciting flavors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 That could work. Make the architecture middle eastern styled maybe have some unique cavalry units like Camel Riders and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 A game on its own with a middle-eastern styled nation, with their own classes, would be really cool. Weapons like Scimitars, classes like Camel Riders, and their own variants of mages would all be really awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKHikaru13 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I'd love to see an Arabian or Ottoman styled nation in FE, the potential for classes and costumes is just inspiring. Imagine cavaliers using war elephants. Or maybe we've got Riflers replacing Archers and they use firearms rather than bows. Wonder what middle eastern clerics would be like. Honestly I'd be hyped for this if only for a bellydancing Dancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacack Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) It would certainly be an interesting twist to have a Fire Emblem game set in the Middle East. While I would argue that it's incredibly unlikely to happen because of the current fear of that region in the West, it's a very interesting idea. The historical weaponry of the area is very interesting. Swords: [spoiler=Scimitar/Shamsir] [spoiler=Khopesh] [spoiler=Yagatan] Axes: [spoiler=Tabarzin] [spoiler=Gurz (Ottoman Maces)] Spears (Included are both very traditional and non-traditional spears for Fire Emblem): [spoiler=Harberds (Common in Middle East, not all in first image are necessarily Middle Eastern, however.)] [spoiler=Man on Horse with Spear] [spoiler=Infantryman] Bows: [spoiler=Curved Composite Bows (Various Sizes)] Hidden Weapons: [spoiler=Daggers] Just looking at the weapons, the artstyle for a game set in the Middle East would be very interesting. With all the mythology as well, and the natural fit of things like Dancers, it kind of seems made for it, really. Edited June 8, 2015 by Pacack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I want a nation based off of the British Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassyWolf Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) Just a correction, this sword isn't a shamshir, but an Indian tulwar, the difference is the disk pommel. Swords: [spoiler=Scimitar/Shamsir] Yeah, a middle eastern themed nation would be very interesting, with it's own architecture, weaponry and classes, and another thing that would be interesting, at least for me, is to give units benefits or disadvantages depending on if they are fighting on their home turf or on foreign ground. And it would be fun to see their take on different cultures in general. Edited June 8, 2015 by that one person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacack Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Just a correction, this sword isn't a shamshir, but an Indian tulwar, the difference is the disk pommel. Yeah, a middle eastern themed nation would be very interesting, with it's own architecture, weaponry and classes, and another thing that would be interesting, at least for me, is to give units benefits or disadvantages depending on if they are fighting on their home turf or on foreign ground. And it would be fun to see their take on different cultures in general. You're very right. I'll remove that one from the list. Maybe If is the first of many games to tackle different cultures? Here's hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGdood Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Definitely would like to see their take on a Middle Eastern nation, whether it be pre-Islam or Islamic. Cavaliers -> Mamelukes, Armor Knights -> Ghulams, Heroes -> Janissaries. Great Knights -> Elephants/Cataphracts Assassins would definitely become the Hashahshin (which is actually where we get the English word). As for Clerics, Priests...well in some games they incorporate Indian culture into an umbrella "Mid-Eastern" kingdom, so perhaps we can see Hindu Brahmin types or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) Definitely would like to see their take on a Middle Eastern nation, whether it be pre-Islam or Islamic. Cavaliers -> Mamelukes, Armor Knights -> Ghulams, Heroes -> Janissaries. Great Knights -> Elephants/Cataphracts Assassins would definitely become the Hashahshin (which is actually where we get the English word). As for Clerics, Priests...well in some games they incorporate Indian culture into an umbrella "Mid-Eastern" kingdom, so perhaps we can see Hindu Brahmin types or something. Janissaries would be the shit though. Edited June 8, 2015 by LordTaco42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluCommander Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I would actually really like to see this. It would be interesting if that area south of Nohr was a desert area with a Middle Eastern influence. We've also seen screenshots of desert areas (although it may have just been part of 'My Castle' or something, I can't really recall.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) Would be cool. Definitely would be interesting to see more different cultural inspirations. All this talk is reminding me of AC1 I'm sorry Edited June 8, 2015 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 A middle eastern style nation/area wouldn't work at all. It wouldn't be able to have any female units, because of how women are treated out there. They're forced to stay at home and do the housework. Women can't even LEAVE THE HOUSE without a man escorting them everywhere. And I don't think people would like not having any female units. I know I wouldn't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 1) That is entirely a caricature of, the, I dunno, MANY muslim nations out there; While there is a few countries that are, yes, quite extreme in terms of treating women, not all of them are. Not all middle-eastern country are the same and to lump them together with such a gross stereotype is incredibly ignorant. Don't believe the American media. Talk to actual muslims and do your own research. 2) It's not like medieval europe was any better about it after the insurgence of professional soldiers and mercenaries; Women still participated, just usually under disguise and in far smaller numbers. Video games take place in their own universes and are allowed to take inspiration to a degree from more cultures than just medieval europe or japan (neither of which are shining tokens of feminism, I'd remind you) while having completely different customs and lore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I never said I learned this from media. I learned most of what I know about the middle east in World History classes in school. It just seemed to me that the way women are treated in Muslim communities is a much bigger thing than how they were treated in Europe's medieval times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I want a nation based off of the British Empire. Bring back FE8 fleet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethin Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I'm all for new inspirations! So far we've had Mongol Sacae and Italian Carcino. I can't think of any other big examples, but I felt a bit of "Gaels vs. English" vibes in the Western Isles vs. Etruria conflict, and maybe Verdane supposed to be Mongol, but that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I wouldn't even trust most American history classes unless /maybe/ the AP curriculum. The US does a shitty job teaching about the world (to be entirely fair, so do most other places) but a lot of things you learn in school or history is not the best view of how things actually are. Even if they're steeped in truth, they're only a part of the truth and never the full picture. Especially considering US Public school quality varies by property tax money and the curriculum is state-sanctioned. There's some really racist-ass states out there that won't teach you the real shit and even wants to ban AP for their slightly more detailed and accurate versions of history. If I remember correctly (and people who are actually more knowledgable about Islam than me, please correct me/fill in details) much of the sexism during historical times in the middle east was due to local cultural customs that far predate islam, and the prophet Muhammad actually greatly improved the status of women during his time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawlah_bint_al-Azwar Even if your assumptions were not faulty, point 2 still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Most American history classes aren't very good at being objective. That is not to say that they outright lie, but they omit the truth or only tell one side of the story. Even AP classes aren't super great at this, unless you have an amazing teacher who loves history and getting you to think. There is a book that I am absolutely in love with, Lies My Teacher Told Me, that analyzed 12 history books that are commonly used in history classes, including my AP U.S. History textbook, and it was utterly astounding how many things they neglect to discuss. Also, I would like countries in FE that are just based on different cultures in general. Somehow, it makes them feel more … real, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Radiant Hero Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 When you mention a Muslim empire you need to specify, (Arabs/Persian/Ottomans/Indians/Indonesian/Chinese) I'm Arabian, and I would love to see something like that in future releases... just to correct some of the notions: Arab/Muslims never fought on Camel backs, we always use horses in fact we are well known for our Horseman ship (Nomad Troopers are the closest thing to an Arabian Cavalier). Arabs and Ottoman are Muslims, but they are not the same, there are many differences between them. Elephants are related to Indians, we Arabs never used Elephants because they don't exist in our habitat. Arabs are known for Marksmanship, Swordsmanship and Cavalry, foot soldiers used Halberds, Lances and Spears. The heaviest Armor-set would be a Chain-mail Armor, because and usually used by Horsemen, because most of the time conflicts happens in the desert and heavy armor would be your undoing in the sand. Suggestions: Sayyaf (Arabian version of Sword Master)= He would like any Sword Master, the difference he would gain extra evasion in the Sand terrain) Meghuar/Ghazi (Arabian version of a Hero) = He would hold a Sword+Sheid and a Hidden weapon (instead of axes) Khayyal (Arabian version Horsmen)= The default weapons would be Lances and Bows, upon promotion they would gain the use of Sword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacack Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) A middle eastern style nation/area wouldn't work at all. It wouldn't be able to have any female units, because of how women are treated out there. They're forced to stay at home and do the housework. Women can't even LEAVE THE HOUSE without a man escorting them everywhere. And I don't think people would like not having any female units. I know I wouldn't like it. I never said I learned this from media. I learned most of what I know about the middle east in World History classes in school. It just seemed to me that the way women are treated in Muslim communities is a much bigger thing than how they were treated in Europe's medieval times. ... [spoiler=Derailing?]The first thing that you need to acknowledge is that Fire Emblem is based in a romanticized fantasy environment. Yes, many women are currently oppressed in some Middle Eastern countries. Yes, the Middle Eastern world had a bad past. But Medieval Europe was just as bad. In many ways, feudal Japan was also just as bad. In Europe, if a woman studied any sort of sciences, they would be burned for witchcraft. In Japan, they broke their girl's feet when they were young for the sake of beauty. The reason we're okay with those past events for Europe and Japan, but not for the Middle East, is because many people in the United States have waged a personal war against the entire area, whether or not the people there are our enemies or not. This includes teachers. The exact same thing has happened in WWII with the Japanese, and in WWI with Germans, and with Vietnamese in the Vietnam War. I don't think anyone here was suggesting that they leave out female characters, and that's one of the most ignorant things I've heard on these forums. You took our interest in the culture of the Middle East and twisted it into something vile. Edited June 8, 2015 by Pacack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 im cool with an Ottoman Empire like bent on a future game. That would be really neat and the class possibilities are really cool too. I want a nation based off of the British Empire. FE has done this like five times over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciarre Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) ... In Japan, they broke their girl's feet when they were young for the sake of beauty. I'm pretty sure it was only China that footbinded, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. edit: I'd also be down for a nation based off the Ottoman Empire. Maybe featuring a janissary class? I think that would be cool. Edited June 8, 2015 by Ciarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacack Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 When you mention a Muslim empire you need to specify, (Arabs/Persian/Ottomans/Indians/Indonesian/Chinese) I'm Arabian, and I would love to see something like that in future releases... just to correct some of the notions: Arab/Muslims never fought on Camel backs, we always use horses in fact we are well known for our Horseman ship (Nomad Troopers are the closest thing to an Arabian Cavalier). Arabs and Ottoman are Muslims, but they are not the same, there are many differences between them. Elephants are related to Indians, we Arabs never used Elephants because they don't exist in our habitat. Arabs are known for Marksmanship, Swordsmanship and Cavalry, foot soldiers used Halberds, Lances and Spears. The heaviest Armor-set would be a Chain-mail Armor, because and usually used by Horsemen, because most of the time conflicts happens in the desert and heavy armor would be your undoing in the sand. Suggestions: Sayyaf (Arabian version of Sword Master)= He would like any Sword Master, the difference he would gain extra evasion in the Sand terrain) Meghuar/Ghazi (Arabian version of a Hero) = He would hold a Sword+Sheid and a Hidden weapon (instead of axes) Khayyal (Arabian version Horsmen)= The default weapons would be Lances and Bows, upon promotion they would gain the use of Sword I definitely disapprove of the "Muslim" nation concept here. "Middle Eastern" is a better concept, in my opinion. I'd actually love it if the thread owner would change the title of the thread. I'm surprised how few people knew that about horses. Camels are not fighting creatures; they are hauling ones. And I quite like the idea of the Ghazi. I couldn't really find anything in my research, but are there throwing knives or other such long-ranged hidden weapons that could be used for a Middle Eastern theme? I'm pretty sure it was only China that footbinded, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. China started it, but it was indeed in Japan as well. Thank you for questioning that, though. I used Japan as an example because of Hoshido. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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