Nym Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Lord Raven said: also this just happened http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-idUSKBN15E04S Yea, it fucking sucks, it's not in my city but it's almost close. 11 minutes ago, eclipse said: I hope they catch whoever did this. Actions speak louder than words, and no place of peaceful worship deserves to be fired upon. Good news: Deux suspects ont été arrêtés. L’un d’eux aurait été appréhendé au terme d’une chasse à l’homme qui s’est terminé près de l’île d’Orléans. Direct translation: 2 culprits got arrested. One of them got caught after a chase who end up close to ''île d'Orléans''. Edited January 30, 2017 by Nym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, eclipse said: Maybe you missed this earlier in the thread. So, I'm going to quote you, and remind you of this. If I hear any more complaints of this nature in this thread, I start issuing warnings. Complaining about this issue wont' fix it, and the only thing anyone can do ATM is to sit and wait. This goes for EVERYONE that posts in this thread. In other words, BE PATIENT, WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE, AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. Sorry, your link takes me to page 233 of this thread, but I did not see anything there. I apologize if my complaint's been overmentioned, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Wasn't there a fire in a islamic center in the US just the other day? I wonder if they are connected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Water Mage said: Wasn't there a fire in a islamic center in the US just the other day? I wonder if they are connected. Yes, but thankfully no one was injured there. The attack is awful. Those poor people. I'm glad the suspects have apparently been apprehended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Water Mage said: Wasn't there a fire in a islamic center in the US just the other day? I wonder if they are connected. Possibly, but wasn't that one in Texas? Being so far apart and different countries would make it less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 guess i'm glad people are finally alert about what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellen Browning Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Mind you there's nothing against a walled border, especially if there's a lot of illegal immigration and smuggling across said border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Water Mage said: "This is not muslim ban" he says. Pardon me the language, but if this is not a muslim ban, then what the FUCK it is? He may say it's about terror, but what he's doing is pretty much the same as banning all christians from a country because of KKK. It's a country ban. Nowhere in the official documents does it mention any form of religion. 51 minutes ago, Lord Raven said: also this just happened http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-idUSKBN15E04S Condolences for the families. Like eclipse said, no place of quiet worship should have to deal with this. But damn, the media up here is sure quick to attribute this with Trump. There isn't any evidence (and likely won't be for a while), and the narrative pushing is strong with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) rudy guillani already said openly this was how they could get a legal version of a muslim ban. trying to find official words to understand the intent of what's going on is a waste of time, politicians usually at least try to be subtle. Edited January 30, 2017 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 47 minutes ago, Radiant head said: guess i'm glad people are finally alert about what's going on. It looks like Obama voted for it, too, for what that's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Ema Skye said: It's a country ban. Nowhere in the official documents does it mention any form of religion. Condolences for the families. Like eclipse said, no place of quiet worship should have to deal with this. But damn, the media up here is sure quick to attribute this with Trump. There isn't any evidence (and likely won't be for a while), and the narrative pushing is strong with this one. Like radiant head said, it is for all intents and purposes a muslim ban. They just changed the wording so it won't sound like a muslim ban "officially". But they are being a little too obvious. And I just realized something. Trump is making good on his campaign promises. But he's doing it a little too fast. The govern had barely any time to prepare for them. That's why they are backfiring and are being met with such backlash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46827_Donald_Trump_Removes_the_Judicial_Branch_From_the_Our_Government_Section_of_the_White_House_Website Are people not seeing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 57 minutes ago, Water Mage said: And I just realized something. Trump is making good on his campaign promises. But he's doing it a little too fast. The govern had barely any time to prepare for them. That's why they are backfiring and are being met with such backlash. Backlash from whom? Overall opinion from what I see is that the general population is irked by the lack of response from any Democrats. And you have people protesting, but you're still talking about a tiny minority of the U.S. population. Anyway, of course he's doing it too fast. I think that's intended; all the better for throwing people off course. This is a decent examination of what the actions of the past few days mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Water Mage said: Like radiant head said, it is for all intents and purposes a muslim ban. They just changed the wording so it won't sound like a muslim ban "officially". But they are being a little too obvious. And I just realized something. Trump is making good on his campaign promises. But he's doing it a little too fast. The govern had barely any time to prepare for them. That's why they are backfiring and are being met with such backlash. If it was a Muslim ban, Saudi Arabia would've been on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excellen Browning Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Ema Skye said: If it was a Muslim ban, Saudi Arabia would've been on the list. If it was a general Muslim ban, a lot more countries would be on the list. But it's still a travel ban for Muslims (and only muslims) from certain countries. So it's still a Muslim ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 59 minutes ago, Ema Skye said: If it was a Muslim ban, Saudi Arabia would've been on the list. Saudi Arabia also would've been on that list if it had anything to do with stopping terrorism. They're the world's #1 exporter of islamist terrorism after all. So why aren't they on the list? It couldn't possibly have something to do with the Trump's commercial interests as an enterpreteur, right? 'Cause that'd totally be a conflict of interests that should instantly disqualify Trump as POTUS ... ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Ema Skye said: If it was a Muslim ban, Saudi Arabia would've been on the list. Trump isn't stupid, including Saudi Arabia would anger the country, and it would cause a lot of problems for the US's economy. The fact that the ban doesn't include Saudi Arabia is what make it so obviously suspicious. 4 hours ago, Res said: Anyway, of course he's doing it too fast. I think that's intended; all the better for throwing people off course. This is a decent examination of what the actions of the past few days mean. I...didn't think of that actually. And I kind of ashamed that I didn't realize it sooner. All this chaos was in their plans, wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 yeah saudi arabia just further confirms they're not serious about security or "danger zones" they just chose muslim countries that they don't have vested economic interests in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) http://www.smh.com.au/world/jihadist-groups-hail-donald-trumps-travel-ban-as-a-victory-20170130-gu17am.html Yeah...This isn't a good sign. At all. What they thought it would nade them safer might actually put them in danger. EDIT: Apparently conservatives are boycotting Starbucks again. This is what, the third they do it? Edited January 30, 2017 by Water Mage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rukina Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 11 hours ago, Rezzy said: It looks like Obama voted for it, too, for what that's worth. Just for the record, the Secure Fence Act of 2006 involved adding 700 miles of additional fencing, not a wall. Building an actual wall capable of keeping illegal immigrants out along the entire 1,933.4 mile border would be far more expensive and making Mexico pay for it is easier said than done. 1 hour ago, Water Mage said: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jihadist-groups-hail-donald-trumps-travel-ban-as-a-victory-20170130-gu17am.html Yeah...This isn't a good sign. At all. What they thought it would nade them safer might actually put them in danger. That's the irony of it. This ban is actually bolstering extremist such as ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) that's why protesting isn't meaningless, people have to control the narrative and make it clear americans by and large don't approve of this re: rezzy - obama has also deported more than any president in history so not surprised Edited January 30, 2017 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Steve Bannon being an inside on Trump's security council is actually a nightmare scenario. I'm hoping that we continue to get senators and congressman to speak out - if both of Arizona's Senators spoke out against this then I'm sure many others will see the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 dems say they're going to filibuster all of his scotus picks. better be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) dems are also introducing this bill: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/immigration-ban-democratic-senators-introduce-bills-overturning-trump-n714051?cid=sm_fb_nbcnews 48 in the senate + at least 2 republicans that are against the executive order. only thing that remains is the house. 11 hours ago, Mimikyu said: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46827_Donald_Trump_Removes_the_Judicial_Branch_From_the_Our_Government_Section_of_the_White_House_Website Are people not seeing this? https://www.whitehouse.gov/ Yeah the Judicial Branch is definitely there. The writer is pretty high. (/late) Edited January 30, 2017 by Lord Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Radiant head said: dems say they're going to filibuster all of his scotus picks. better be true Unfortunately, the Dems shot themselves in the foot in regards to that, since they took away the right to filibuster nominations a few years ago when Obama was in office. 2 minutes ago, Lord Raven said: dems are also introducing this bill: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/immigration-ban-democratic-senators-introduce-bills-overturning-trump-n714051?cid=sm_fb_nbcnews 48 in the senate + at least 2 republicans that are against the executive order. only thing that remains is the house. They would need at least 3, since a tie would go to Pence. Even then, they might try to filibuster it, since the ban only lasts for 90 days, last I heard. It's a nice symbolic act to limit EOs, but it probably won't get past the House. Ideally, when the Dems regain power, they can introduce a bill to limit a president's power with EOs, but they probably won't, since both parties just want to grab as much power as they can, now, and don't think about how it will come back to bite them later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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