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1 hour ago, Hylian Air Force said:

I live in a Red State. Most people who argue the Republican agenda aren't intelligent people. They don't know just how damaging it is to support the GOP when all they want is their money in the pocket of the 1%. We trash the Republicans because of their blatant, doublethinking hypocrisy, and the people who support them do so out of social ignorance and manufactured hatred and xenophobia. Accuse us of being an echo chamber all you want, because that's all they do, too. Don't say we won't give them a chance to explain when we have, only for them to double down and shrug when they can't answer our questions with straight sources and answers.

Same here. I live in Austin, TX. Austin, Dallas, San Antonio and Houston voted against Trump but the state's 38 electoral votes all went to him anyway. 
Chances are that the people you're telling "go out and vote if you don't like the way things are then go out and vote" are already voting and some of them are in a state where their vote effectively doesn't matter because of the Electoral College and that's what makes it so that the Swing states are the ones that can impact an election. I'm fairly certain this isn't the first time that the Republicans got a president in power because of the Electoral College even though he lost the popular vote...Funnily enough, Trump wanted to push to get rid of the thing that put him in power... He's that stupid, he's an orange turd and the people deserve better.

 

@eclipse: Sorry for the double post but it wouldn't allow me to edit the previous one.

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3 hours ago, Tediz64 said:

We should re-name this thread "Views of Democratic people on current US Politics" 

If you don't like the word Views you can swap it for "Opinions" and if you don't like the word Democratic then use "Liberal". This thread isn't at all trying to be inclusive of Republicans or Conservatives. This is pretty much a hate fest against them, especially with (who I won't name) people calling the group "fuckers".

It's hard to be respectful of Republicans when most are currently defending child internment camps, or their best defense is the perception that Obama supposedly "did it too", who they hate.

I do kind of resent the democratic side considering I've got a lot of problems with the Democrats, but I have a problem with like 99% of the Republican platform, and as much as you've observed, more people on here tend to lean liberal. This is not necessarily a good or bad thing, but I don't go into the_donald and try to argue for democratic socialism personally.

3 hours ago, Tediz64 said:

I was wondering why I didn't see any of their opinions or say on any matters but every time one comes in they are brutalized. It scares them away. Like when Karnage talked, it was met with their information coming from shit sources being told to go do their homework. Like as if they aren't educated enough to belong talking here.

Your ideas need to stand up to scrutiny, and you should preferably be able to defend them as well. Otherwise, I would suggest that political discussion not be your thing. I don't just take the word of a flat-earther and pretend it's a 50/50 argument.

I'll try to point out what I believe to be biased sources when I can, but there's also been the instance where conservatives aren't exactly any fans of polling or scientific papers from universities apparently, considering Harvard is apparently not a good source.

48 minutes ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

I'd give him credit for it, but considering I've said that before and he ended up pretty much doing none of it, I'm not holding my breath.

7 hours ago, Lord Raven said:

In other news, Ben Jealous won the Democratic nomination for the Maryland Governor race, and while he's not the best policy guy... he appears to be an extremely genuinely kind person which is refreshing. @Edgelord you may end up being a fan of him to a certain extent.

I know of his win. He seems like a good candidate.

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4 hours ago, Tediz64 said:

We should re-name this thread "Views of Democratic people on current US Politics" 

 

...didn't you advocate for genocide? that's not a very liberal take. despite that, you aren't banned for life from entering this topic, are you? if not, your cheeky suggestion isn't justified or validated by the reality of its (this topic) contents.

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If you don't like the word Views you can swap it for "Opinions" and if you don't like the word Democratic then use "Liberal". This thread isn't at all trying to be inclusive of Republicans or Conservatives. This is pretty much a hate fest against them, especially with (who I won't name) people calling the group "fuckers".

do the gop want a safe space now? lol

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I was wondering why I didn't see any of their opinions or say on any matters but every time one comes in they are brutalized. It scares them away. Like when Karnage talked, it was met with their information coming from shit sources being told to go do their homework. Like as if they aren't educated enough to belong talking here.

you don't see their opinions because every time someone from the right posts here, it becomes abundantly clear that they're either: racist/xenophobic/etc. or are completely ignorant on the facts. there is such a thing as a poor source, and almost always those on the right link them simply because it supports their view.

on topics considering social policy, it's incredibly difficult to hold a conversation with a member of the gop because their views are sdrawkcab. very few here know anything about economics past 'supply and demand,' which makes arguing with the right who are for 'hands-off' capitalism extremely tiresome

plenty, and i do mean plenty, of liberals are ignorant. but they're much easier to educate because they have the same fundamental views as less-ignorant/better educated liberals.

if you (the reader, not just tediz64) want to have a real discussion, maybe you should be informed. if you need to know where to go to be informed, you need only ask about the topic--i'm sure people would love to help (myself included).

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The thing that stands out to me with the majority revulsion to Republican politics in this thread: Age Demographics.

"Persons born before 1965" make up the bulwark of the modern GOPs political base, and the target group to which their platform is currently geared to appeal to.

"Persons born after 1980" grew up in a world where integration of the races and global trade and migration and sexual freedom have always been the norm--they aren't new and scary. They also grew up in a world without the Could War or the Red Scare--a world where universal healthcare and education and progressive tax codes have been the norm in countries with less violence and poverty + higher standards of living then the United States for the entirety of their adult lives. And where summarily dismissing these policies as bad because that's "socialism" no longer holds the persuasive weight that it once did.

...Pretty much everyone in this thread is a millennial...we're seeing here the demographics of how that shapes out...
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For all the bullshittery and bad policy of Trump and all the sense that America is backsliding ATM, this is the overarching trend that gives me hope its only temporary. 

Trump is basically the deathrattle of the babyboomers. The last grasp at power by those who see the writing on the wall that the body politic of their day is fading into the history books, and desperately want things to go back to the way they were before. (i.e. "Make America Great Again") 

And it just so happens that the babyboomers are still a big enough chunk of the electorate that at the height of their motivation and engagement in the political process, they can turn out a Trump to take us back a few decades.

But the issues that they've staked out and the policies that they've committed to--on immigration, on healthcare, on abortion and gay rights, on guns, on drug, etc.--there's no way a party carrying that platform survives the generational shift.

They can try to forestall it by keeping the country as white and conservative as possible with their immigration laws and gerrymandering their House districts and using the drug laws + overpolicing of minority communities to exploit the convicted felons aren't allowed to vote rule.   (make no mistake--thats one of the reasons why Republicans don't want to liberalize the drug laws. Its a tool of voter suppression, and they use it). 

But when your core policies are getting this kind of reaction from a demographic that is inevitably going to become 100% of the electorate--yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

As the babyboomers die off and the millennials become the new bog-standard of the electorate, a party with the positions of the modern GOP cannot continue to be a viable national party. 
 

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20 hours ago, Captain Karnage said:

If you really want to make an impact on the next election you need to convince the working class to vote on your side. Just a word of advice, if you tell them that this person is bad for supporting policies x, y, and z, and they support x and z your indirectly telling them their a bad person. 

This 'advice' is literally an abusive tactic.

It switches the blame from the people who actually vote for those policies to the people who speak up against them.

It's equivalent to Trump blaming Democrats for the imprisoned children because they're not funding the wall. Or an abusive parent blaming their having to beat the kids on the other parent not cooperating. 

It's like telling people that they can't call out racism or sexism because then you're calling the person racist or sexist (which has been an argument in this thread before!).

And it moves the goalposts and obfuscates; things at which the Republican party excels. The Democratic party has been so weak and ineffectual in part because of how subservient and compromising it's been acting.

 

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6 hours ago, Tediz64 said:

If you don't like the word Views you can swap it for "Opinions" and if you don't like the word Democratic then use "Liberal". This thread isn't at all trying to be inclusive of Republicans or Conservatives. This is pretty much a hate fest against them, especially with (who I won't name) people calling the group "fuckers".

I think that would have been a valid complaint in the Obama and Bush era but not anymore. The current Republicans get so much hate because they really are that special and in a very negative way. Trump and company aren't just terrible but uniquely terrible and there's no shame in pointing that out. If a party accept that their leader and the face of that party becomes an obviously corrupt, serial lying buffoon with a love for dictators and disdain for his allies then that party is really just asking for criticism. 

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I agree to some extent that calling someone a brainwashed fox news viewer and some of the name calling is pretty bad. I do believe that calling Republican politicians fuckers is not out of the question, however.

I really have a lot of issues with how we address more or less the white rural voting class. I have my own views towards them that I keep highly private partially because of the circumstances I grew up (rural/suburban white Bel Air, Maryland) and because it's inherently divisive and not at all conducive to moving forward. I've evolved my views highly just because everyone has a struggle and blame is easy -- I see everyone blaming everyone else for their problems constantly, and it prevents them from taking the proper action necessary to help themselves out of their situations. As far as I view it, we're all citizens of the world and we all need to pull each other up because that's what leads to longterm prosperity. I have fully detached myself from right wing/left wing/conservative/liberal/democrat/republican/whatever finger pointing terms.

But when it's been shown repeatedly that Russian oligarchs have been funding things like the NRA and other organizations that donate exclusively to Republican candidates, when there were two SCOTUS openings in Trump's tenure (and a possible third), and when the POTUS legitimately flip flops and himself is compromised and is unwilling to prop up the rest of the world and feed his base fear mongering lies, you realize that we are not in a normal situation. This isn't either Bush or Reagan. This is like watching Nixon happen in a heavily polarized society, which is polarized because of the media business model.

It's a very small part of this interview (and I won't link that particular bit -- it's an interesting interview, though it's around 2 minutes in) but Bob Costas even mentions this divisiveness as a business model in many cases. And I also bring this to attention because Republican politicians -- ie, Donald Trump -- have brought attention to such a minor issue that causes a huge divide and actively cost multiple players (Eric Reid, Colin Kaepernick) their jobs despite their talent and willingness to play, and owners stating they've caved to pressure from the president.

The president is not at all a good person. Anyone who believes he is a good person has been lied to repeatedly. Anyone who believes he's fighting to maintain conservatism doesn't really know what they're talking about. Trump is dividing us, trying to destroy our relationships with other countries and actively continues to go back on his word and blame other people. I absolutely fucking hated George W Bush from the moment he was elected when I was 8, but at the very least he stood for many of the norms that keep our country stable. Donald Trump and the current form of the Republican Party stand for no such thing and continue to feed lies. This is not a partisan issue at all -- and I would argue, not many issues are truly "partisan" so much as the issues are used to keep their base voting for them.

The language is strong, it could be a little bit easier towards people who believe in Trump and conservatism, but many of these norms are important so as to keep the country stable and in good standing with the world. However, it should be noted that what these politicians are doing are 100% fundamentally not okay. People do not listen to their constituents and instead vote in favor of corporations. Nobody in Congress is willing to listen to anyone who shares their mark -- and neither are constituents. Calling these actions out and calling out the hypocrisy is necessary to a certain extent, and while I agree alienating people is going to further entrench them, at the same time many of the points I saw did not hold up to scrutiny nor was the scrutiny addressed in a meaningful fashion.

It's also acting out against people in this thread who have advocated for genocide against Syria (that user has learned), calling us all globalists and saying something about "ivory tower academics." People have justified the pussy tape. Someone in here actually said that the Pulse night club shooting made him resent and fear all brown people and instead of listening to the scrutiny -- that not only is it inherently racist but it divides people which further causes these kinds of issues -- leave instead of address it head on. Another thread actually had a guy bring up shootings as a government conspiracy and how Obama was the worst president ever to give the country to the Muslims, and he was not very willing to listen to scrutiny either. I don't blame people for speaking with such strong language when things like that are said around this forum. It's an absolutely mind boggling lack of empathy and and abundance of generalizations.

And finally, Republican politicians are pretty much attempting the kind of tyrannical actions that we saw through history that ended up poorly for all people. This is not partisan.

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1 hour ago, Res said:

This 'advice' is literally an abusive tactic.

It switches the blame from the people who actually vote for those policies to the people who speak up against them.

It's equivalent to Trump blaming Democrats for the imprisoned children because they're not funding the wall. Or an abusive parent blaming their having to beat the kids on the other parent not cooperating. 

It's like telling people that they can't call out racism or sexism because then you're calling the person racist or sexist (which has been an argument in this thread before!).

And it moves the goalposts and obfuscates; things at which the Republican party excels. The Democratic party has been so weak and ineffectual in part because of how subservient and compromising it's been acting.

 

I promise that was not my intent

I should have written instead, to talk with them and halve a back and forth tell them your point of view and then give them yours

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I bring you greetings from the party demanding "civility"

Also, I think there was a recent post suggest to do more typical protest instead of shaming/heckling Trump officials? Well, doing that doesn't exactly come without a cost:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-arrested-women-trump-immigration-policy-20180628-story.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/students-sit-in-gun-control-paul-ryan-arrested_us_5aff456ae4b0463cdba1dd29

Now here's one thing I'd like an answer to if anyone knows. Do such arrests for protesting mar your records and affect future prospects such as employment?

On the subject of political parties, in the Bush and Obama era voting for president was like voting for "the lesser of 2 evils" because our politicians were also corrupt during those times and there's corruption on both parties, it was just less blatant back then. While at this time I definitely prefer Democrats to take the House of Reps, the current Democrats still have some among them taking money for corporations and those that I really want to like (Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Ted Lieu) have only recently vowed to stop taking money from corporations or don't really do enough to stand up to Trump and what they stand for should they run for Presidency. Generally speaking Democrats are WEAK, some of them basically list "Opposing Trump" as their stance. Opposing Trump is not what Democrats should be using as their campaign stance, it is a given, something that goes without saying.

Bernie Sanders is probably the one politician that I like the most because it is clear what he stands for: Implementing policies for the benefit of the common people (Universal Healthcare, minimum wage increase), getting rid of bad policies where the arguments being used to keep them in place have no good evidence (legalization of cannabis, tax cuts for the rich). Having said that, Bernie is not immune to criticism or scrutiny from me. I've mentioned that I disagreed with Democrats criticizing Maxine Waters over what she suggested for protesting Trump officials. Bernie Sanders was among those who criticized this and that was disappointing.

@Captain Karnage: We do that but many Republicans will reject facts because it goes against what they like or deflect into something irrelevant like Hilary's e-mails. Kellyanne Conway is a perfect example of what it's often like to try and have a conversation with Republicans voters.

Best conversations I've had with someone that's right-wing have been with folks at work. Thing is that some of them are from Poland and aren't really informed of the corruption that's going on here. In one instance we talked about why he thinks that the government regulating things as much as they do and in a vacuum and other circumstances, I would agree but when you put into context the fact that you've got things like the Koch brothers trying to undermine slavery and make it look "not as bad" as it actually is, primarily to a white audience, you realize you're in a country where you actually need such regulations to keep these fucks in line with reality.

EDIT: It just hit me, Trey Gowdy's asking to have the Mueller investigation wrapped up as soon as possible while others are demanding it runs its course. Here's a solution that makes everyone happy if Gowdy's being honest: Get Trump to sit down with Mueller. The orange turd himself says he's willing to do but he and his lawyers keep cowering. If the Republicans won't push for his impeachment as is, they should at least push for that meeting if they really want it to end but no, it's obvious what they really want.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

If you wanna go there, then although I don't know how I feel about what she said:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/394753-maxine-waters-cancels-events-over-very-serious-death-threat

1 hour ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Bernie Sanders is probably the one politician that I like the most because it is clear what he stands for: Implementing policies for the benefit of the common people (Universal Healthcare, minimum wage increase), getting rid of bad policies where the arguments being used to keep them in place have no good evidence (legalization of cannabis, tax cuts for the rich). Having said that, Bernie is not immune to criticism or scrutiny from me. I've mentioned that I disagreed with Democrats criticizing Maxine Waters over what she suggested for protesting Trump officials. Bernie Sanders was among those who criticized this and that was disappointing.

I've never felt he was always right but right enough on most of what mattered but Bernie was against BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) for example which was in response to Israel's behaviour. I don't agree with him on that.

There was even a bill proposed that would make support of such a boycott of specifically Israel illegal.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720/text

But yeah, I agree with you that Democrats are weak. Some of them  can't even oppose Trump on a policy level because they're basically Republican lite. But the Republicans are unapologetic for certain things unlike the Democrats who won't commit in the attempts to be a "big tent" party.

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...which reminds me of what Lewis Black had said of the Democrats on a lot of occasions in his monologue (a couple come to mind here):

  • "The Democrats are a party of no ideas, while the Republicans are a party of bad ideas."
  • (on the Dems fielding John Kerry to run against the younger Bush) "They can't find someone to beat a guy who was already beating himself."
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Any link on that monologue? EDIT: Nevermind, some of those quotes can be found here

Ted Cruz is one of those corrupt lying bastards in power and it sucks he'll probably continue to be Senator of TX, but I'll give this to him: He's willing to take a win from the opposition over the most obvious case of a Nazi currently running for office under his own party. He is right on this one, "write in another candidate, or vote for the Democrat".

I just stumbled upon some hilarious defenses on Trump:

Too ignorant to have colluded with Russia

Trump cannot be impeached because he was never actually elected - Trump Lawyers

And I do believe we have ourselves a likely Trump SCOTUS nominee suggesting the US create a problem similar to what my colleague in Czech Republic says they have there:

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Congress might consider a law exempting a President—while in office—from criminal prosecution and investigation, including from questioning by criminal prosecutors or defense counsel

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On 6/28/2018 at 3:34 AM, Shoblongoo said:

To the White House staff and cabinet secretaries that have chosen to attach their good names and public reputations to Trump--to be mouthpieces and enablers for all his bad behavior? There aren't enough bad words in the English language to describe their spinelessness, shamelessness, and moral bankruptcy.

You're a lawyer.  And you're admitting defeat on such a thing?  Language is your weapon - use it!

I refer to them as "Trump's support group," but that's a mouthful.  Maybe I should call them his moral echo chamber.

18 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

 

@eclipse: Sorry for the double post but it wouldn't allow me to edit the previous one.

Not your fault, it's the forum software.  It really hates long posts.

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Ted Cruz confuses me.  On one hand, his political record makes my skin crawl.  But on the other hand, a suspiciously white group gave out a bunch of political donations to various Republicans (maybe after that church shooting?), and Cruz gave it back to them.  I also remember that his policies regarding privacy during the Republican primary were the most sane out of everyone else.  It's weird - like every now and then some sensible spirit possesses him.

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3 minutes ago, eclipse said:

Ted Cruz confuses me.  On one hand, his political record makes my skin crawl.  But on the other hand, a suspiciously white group gave out a bunch of political donations to various Republicans (maybe after that church shooting?), and Cruz gave it back to them.  I also remember that his policies regarding privacy during the Republican primary were the most sane out of everyone else.  It's weird - like every now and then some sensible spirit possesses him.

Eh, everything comes down to their strategy to get the most votes. Whether or not someone like Ted Cruz wants approval from those kinds of groups will always take a backseat to whether or not it's good for his image. I'm not really interested in analyzing him to determine what he really believes in, but I don't doubt for a second that he's aware of how bad it would look to accept that kind of support.

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1 minute ago, Johann said:

Eh, everything comes down to their strategy to get the most votes. Whether or not someone like Ted Cruz wants approval from those kinds of groups will always take a backseat to whether or not it's good for his image. I'm not really interested in analyzing him to determine what he really believes in, but I don't doubt for a second that he's aware of how bad it would look to accept that kind of support.

I know someone else accepted that donation, so I don't think it's solely an image thing.  Likewise, his views on privacy is completely different from his party's.  Hence why it's so confusing.

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2 minutes ago, eclipse said:

I know someone else accepted that donation, so I don't think it's solely an image thing.  Likewise, his views on privacy is completely different from his party's.  Hence why it's so confusing.

I dunno, I mean Ted Cruz is visible on a national level and ran for president, people are gonna look into that stuff. Plus there are plenty of politicians who think that people won't notice, and plenty more who aren't aware how bad a move that is.

What are his views on privacy?

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11 minutes ago, Johann said:

I dunno, I mean Ted Cruz is visible on a national level and ran for president, people are gonna look into that stuff. Plus there are plenty of politicians who think that people won't notice, and plenty more who aren't aware how bad a move that is.

What are his views on privacy?

Surprisingly sane.  There's a couple of other things that make me not want to facepalm, but everything else IMO would've been just as bad as Trump (if not worse).

EDIT: But not wholly sane. . .because finding the distinction between good guys and bad guys isn't as clear-cut as a video game.  Still, better than the rest of his party.

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5 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

I just stumbled upon some hilarious defenses on Trump:

Trump cannot be impeached because he was never actually elected - Trump Lawyers

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This is not real news, and even identifies itself as such.

11 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Now here's one thing I'd like an answer to if anyone knows. Do such arrests for protesting mar your records and affect future prospects such as employment?

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They were charged with unlawfully demonstrating, a misdemeanor.

--The Chicago Tribune article.

So, yes, assuming the charges are not dropped and they end up being convicted over the offense. Or maybe even 'yes' in states that are allowed to ask about arrests and not just convictions. (Note: In some states, employers are not allowed to ask about your criminal record, period. In those states the answer would be 'no'.)

As an example, the statutory language for Minnesota would only exempt petty misdemeanors (typically traffic offenses) from the definition of 'crime', and the frequent language when applying for a job is (as I remember it) "Have you ever plead guilty to or been convicted of a crime?"

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On Borowitz: Derp, I thought it was too hilarious to be anything real but I guess I rushed hahah. My Bad.

On protest arrests: Man that's heavy, so those kids just got a stamp that can make it more difficult to find employment in the future while the politician that did this to them gets to retire at his age after successfully passing that stupid tax cut for the rich and still working to dismantle the safe nets and run ANOTHER tax cut for the rich? How is Paul Ryan not a fucking criminal that should be charged and placed in jail? Seriously.

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE

@Captain Karnage @Tediz64 Have a look-see

 https://whnt.com/2018/06/30/man-in-custody-after-pulling-out-a-gun-at-immigration-policy-protest-in-huntsville/

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@Dr. Tarrasque that tag wasn't in your original post, and what does this have to do with me? I don't support violence towards anyone, especially putting a gun in someone's face. Both sides have a right to protest, neither side has the right to resort to violent protesting

And there are crazy people on both sides

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If people want to protest ICE or other government projects they should do it in front of their state capitols, you're accomplishing less as a vast majority of times they have little control over the policies and are following orders from a higher governmental power, and can lead to arrest for obstruction. 

 

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On 6/30/2018 at 10:02 AM, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Ok I don't know why you are lumping me with that. If you want me to see it then say "hey tediz look at this. This is in reference to our earlier discussion" or something.

Don't link something and say my name as if I'm part of that or condone it, or whatever your intention was (which you left out so of course myself and others will be confused and misunderstand.)

Please edit your post again

Also I share the same sentiment as Karnage. Behavior like that is unacceptable.

 

@Dr. Tarrasque

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/01/teacher-tried-to-hypnotize-young-female-students-force-them-to-call-him-master-police-say.amp.html

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@Captain Karnage @Tediz64Yes, it was linked and you were mentioned because it's relevant to earlier discussion.

Karnage brought up peaceful, regular protesting as opposed to heckling Trump officials and to convince others to vote on your side. This is the sort of thing that complicates the matter of having a civil discussion or protest with how fanatical Trump supporters have become: They're more focused on killing people who insult their dear leader than their own self-interests. Yes, you have crazies on both sides but targeting Politicians at a congressional baseball game is one thing and what we see here today is another. Also, to your 2nd point, Ted Cruz won't back up citizens in abolishing ICE, specially with how the less educated people in Texas would be against you for even suggesting that since they're advocates of all this racism. In a nutshell, if I were to be protesting in the major cities of Texas, I'd be preaching to the choir. If I were to be protesting in more rural and less educated areas, I'd be putting up a target in my face to get shot and it's a similar story for people living in Red States because it's just a fact that the party calling for "Civility" from the Left should have more business with understanding what that and showing it themselves before demanding it of others.

Tediz you've been asking why is it that Republicans are hated as much as they are and commenting about how Republicans don't seem to be getting a say in things.

The link and mention of you 2 isn't to attack either of you or to suggest that you advocate violence in that instance, I have no interest in that. It was merely to bring it to your attention as it is something you may want to see.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

The party calling for "Civility" from the Left should have more business with understanding what that and showing it themselves before demanding it of others.

I wholeheartedly concur.

If they look beyond the echo chamber, beyond Fox News, they'd have even the most casual idea why they have all this ambivalence directed at them.

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As the de facto figurehead of government, the president sets the tone for the national discourse. Civility in politics starts with leadership at the top and the messaging coming out of the White House. 

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...I mean what more can I say...

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