Yojinbo Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Wouldn't Saleh be the one to do that too? I'm assuming Mage Knight!Lute here of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I usually just toss Reginlief Ephraim at the rangers, he oneshots them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) it also has 13 weight so Lute loses 4 speed if she uses it as a Sage, and 2 speed if she uses it as a mageknight. Her speed is already suspect in the first place too. Okay then. I just responded because I saw the whole "reduces her speed to thwomp levels" thing as an exaggeration. Edited November 9, 2015 by Levant Colthearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Vanessa > Franz > Tethys I was iffy on the third, but took Tethys because Cormag is easier to replace. Ewan < Marisa < Knoll Edited November 10, 2015 by Gradivus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Vanessa > Franz > Lute Marisa < Ewan < Knoll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Okay then. I just responded because I saw the whole "reduces her speed to thwomp levels" thing as an exaggeration. 20/2 Sage Lute has 16 speed, 12 speed with Excalibur. 20/2 Thwomp Gilliam has 11 speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet_Basil Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Best:Vanessa > Saleh > TethysWorst:Ewan < Marisa < Rennac L'ArachelEwan gets murdered by anything thrown at him. Marisa sucks but nowhere near his level.L'Arachel joins way too late for a healer. Edited November 10, 2015 by MidnightStar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) 20/2 Sage Lute has 16 speed, 12 speed with Excalibur. 20/2 Thwomp Gilliam has 11 speed. Well then.... You got me. I checked Lute's averages, but fsr forgot to check Gilliam's... Doh >_< ...That said, she probably doesn't even need it anyway. Edited November 10, 2015 by Levant Colthearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 And thus ends round 2. Vanessa won with 42 points, beating Franz by 11. Ewan lost with 41 points. Marisa beat him by 13. Gogogo Round 3 Best: Franz>Cormag>Tethys Worst: Knoll>Neimi>Marisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Franz > Eph!Cormag > Tethys for best Marisa < Rennac < Knoll for worst Edited November 12, 2015 by Levant Colthearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Best: Franz +3 Artur +2 Eri!Saleh + 1 Worst: Marisa -3 L'Arachel -2 Rennac -1 Edited November 12, 2015 by Carmine Sword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irysa Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 3/2/1 Best Franz > Cormag > Tethys Worst Marisa > L'Arachel > Rennac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Best: Franz>Tethys>Cormag Worst: Marisa<L'Arachel<Neimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Best: Franz > Cormag > Saleh Worst: Marisa < Rennac < L'Arachel too lazy to justify anything I didn't in my last post, Saleh owns and L'Arachel sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 For an efficiency tier list, the format of this is quite inefficient. You could place a few more units on either end since everyone's said their piece on the best and worst of the units remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Franz > Eir!Saleh > Eph!Cormag for best remaining; Edit: Or just Saleh > Cormag if we're still pretending that ignoring route split is a good idea lol Marisa < L'Arachel < Rennac for worst remaining Cormag and Saleh are both better than Tethys. I don't even know if I'd place Tethys above Gerik or Artur or freaking Tana tbh Edited November 10, 2015 by Yojinbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Best; Franz > Ephraim!Cormag > Artur Artur is better than Saleh because he's a legit warper on both routes, and he'll probably be a better warper than Saleh even if you give Saleh all three Energy Drops because that's what it takes for him to do something that Artur can't in a reasonable amount of time. Kudos for Saleh for being able to warp in the easiest route in the game but he's a worse staffbot than Artur in general (better at fighting but there's like only a couple of times where that's actually relevant and again, only on ONE route) and Artur actually can do things in the earlygame. Worst: Marisa > L'Arachel > Rennac Duh. Edited November 12, 2015 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Artur is better than Saleh because he's a legit warper on both routes Not that I necessarily disagree with your argument but this is why I think the route split needs to be taken into consideration for this tier list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I mean, I agree with you entirely but that's really up to Doofina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Knight Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Franz > Tethys > Cormag Knoll < Marisa < L'Arachel I agree with factoring in route splits, I'm hesitating to choose units like Cormag and Saleh who are wildly successful in Eir but too late to contribute much in Eph. Edited November 10, 2015 by Sniper Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I agree with factoring in route splits, I'm hesitating to choose units like Cormag and Saleh who are wildly successful in Eir but too late to contribute much in Eph. Bold: What...? I thought Cormag was the other way around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Knight Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 It is, my bad. The point still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm hesitant to work with the route split because the actual gain it brings doesn't seem worth the trouble of separating units. I get how it helps Saleh, Cormag et al but the tedium involved in working with all of the units that are impacted to a lesser extent. Like is Eph!Artur better than Eir!Artur because he doesn't have the competition from Eir!Saleh? Or like do you guys really want to make this thing take longer by having to go through Eph!L'Arachel and Eir!L'Arachel where the difference is barely (if at all) noticeable. I think it's just easier to assume Eph!Cormag or Eir!Saleh is the only version of the unit in the game. Though I'm open to other suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Do the route split thing for characters who 1) join after it (characters who join before can have their contributions be evaluated towards both routes because they have the same join time either way) and 2) before the groups meet up again (this probably goes without saying). These characters are... Tana Amelia Innes Gerik Tethys Marisa L'Arachel Dozla Saleh Ewan Cormag Rennac Duessel Knoll And you can safely ignore Amelia, Marisa, L'Arachel, Dozla, Ewan, Rennac, and Knoll whose contributions and availability on both routes are similar enough to not warrant inclusion (yeah, Dozla is better on Ephraim route but it's not significant enough to have another character slot). So that leaves... Tana Innes Gerik Tethys Saleh Cormag Duessel So basically everyone who rejoins with Eirika/Ephraim at Chapter 15 and Tana/Gerik/Tethys/Cormag. EDIT Actually you could probably remove Tana. Edited November 10, 2015 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Franz > Lute > Ephraim Marisa < Knoll < Syrene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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