Jedi Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) So Batter and I were discussing how a Chrono Cross draft would work and this is the resulting ruleset - This is a Draft for 6 players - The Winner is whomever can get their entire team recruited and have the lowest combined stat total of all their drafted characters when the final boss is slain - Undrafted characters may recruit undrafted characters, otherwise undrafted characters must be KO'd if in your actual party - Serge, Lynx, and Harle are free - Kidd is free for all players until the end of Viper Manor - Guile, Pierre and Nikki can be drafted twice, due to the way Viper Manor works - Starky is free during the underwater passage to his ship - Drafting one of Guile, Pierre, Nikki locks you from the other two as they are all route specific - A major branch in the game is after the Viper Manor sequence, in Guldove. Korcha will ask you if you can help Kid. Whether you say yes or no determines which three characters will join your party (not all at once, though): Korcha, Razzly, and Mel, or Macha, Glenn, and Doc. So drafting Korcha, Razzly or Mel will lock you from the other 3 and vice versa. - 3 characters will be left over - Please use these resources to get your information http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/196917-chrono-cross/faqs/6315/ http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/cc/characters.shtml Teams Characters Poshul Kidd Leena Mojo Guile X2 Nikki X2 Pierre X2 Korcha Macha Glenn Luccia NeoFio Razzly Greco Pip Mel Doc Sprigg Radius Zappa Van Funguy Norris Skelly Draggy Starky Irenes Sneff Janice Karsh Zoah Orcha Grobyc Riddel Fargo Viper Marcy Miki Leah Steena Orlha Turnip Edited November 30, 2015 by Jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) oh lord uhhhhh maybe *Edit* Insert rule-criticism here. So Batter and I were discussing how a Chrono Cross draft would work and this is the resulting ruleset - This is a Draft for 6 players 6 players is fine - The winner is whomever can get their entire team recruited and have the least In game time when the Time Devourer (The final boss of the main route) is slain Is there no other way to determine route completion et al? I might consider including a minimum number of stars, but then again I'm probably being trivial here. - Undrafted characters may recruit undrafted characters, otherwise undrafted characters must be KO'd if in your actual party Norris and Grobyc are tied if I recall, you need Norris to recruit Grobyc. This is kinda lame since Grobyc is an incredible unit, - Serge, Lynx, and Harle are free Fine - Kidd is free for all players until the end of Viper Manor I would honestly allow either Kidd or Leena to be free in this instance, and just ban the players from drafting in this situation. Kidd joins later anyway and if the player doesn't get Leena then they can't possibly recruit Poshul regardless, limiting draft options. - For the 3 drafters who do not get any of the Viper Manor Trio (Guile, Pierre, Nikki), you are allowed to pick whichever of the three routes and get them free for Viper Manor How about you just open up drafting for Guile/Pierre/Nikki, but allow them each to be selected twice. This way you're influencing the playstyle of all six players, rather than just four in theory - Starky is free during the underwater passage to his ship This bitch'd better be free - Drafting one of Guile, Pierre, Nikki locks you from the other two as they are all route specific Fine - A major branch in the game is after the Viper Manor sequence, in Guldove. Korcha will ask you if you can help Kid. Whether you say yes or no determines which three characters will join your party (not all at once, though): Korcha, Razzly, and Mel, or Macha, Glenn, and Doc. So drafting Korcha, Razzly or Mel will lock you from the other 3 and vice versa, unless force picked Fine - Please use these resources to get your information http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/196917-chrono-cross/faqs/6315/ http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/cc/characters.shtml Teams Characters Poshul Kidd Leena Mojo Guile Nikki Pierre Korcha Macha Glenn Luccia NeoFio Razzly Greco Pip Mel Doc Sprigg Radius Zappa Van Funguy Norris Skelly Draggy Starky Irenes Sneff Janice Karsh Zoah Orcha Grobyc Riddel Fargo Viper Marcy Miki Leah Steena Orlha Turnip *Edit edit* Norris joins automatically because I'm pretty sure his sequence in Viper Manor is a forced section of the game. If I'm wrong, please correct me. Edited November 30, 2015 by Elieson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 oh lord uhhhhh maybe Maybe? Hows the ruleset sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Check my queries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lol, if there is any RPG besides Fire Emblem where drafts can work it's gotta be this one with it's ridiculous ~50 party members. Interested in seeing how this turns out. But I agree with Elieson that I don't think in-game time is a good measure of completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 What else would you go off of? Thats my main question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Would something like lowest number of battles work? Lowest level/exp? Something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batter the Beast Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Here's the justifications for the rules that were criticized by Elie, though I do agree with one change he suggested Is there no other way to determine route completion et al? I might consider including a minimum number of stars, but then again I'm probably being trivial here. There are no other ways that the game automatically records. Minimum stars just means minimum sidequests, so it kinda equates to minimum game time. The fights in this game are surprisngly low in terms of RNG reliance so I think in game time is a great way to determine who would win. Norris and Grobyc are tied if I recall, you need Norris to recruit Grobyc. This is kinda lame since Grobyc is an incredible unit, IIRC the only case for character specific recruiting is Poshul recruiting Turnip, Grobyc recruits himself in the storyline. Also I'm glad someone else likes Grobyc :P I would honestly allow either Kidd or Leena to be free in this instance, and just ban the players from drafting in this situation. Kidd joins later anyway and if the player doesn't get Leena then they can't possibly recruit Poshul regardless, limiting draft options. You can actually recruit Poshul during the very beginning in Home World, you just need a Heckran Bone from some random place then use it near him. How about you just open up drafting for Guile/Pierre/Nikki, but allow them each to be selected twice. This way you're influencing the playstyle of all six players, rather than just four in theory This works, though it means 3 characters wouldn't be drafted if my math is correct. Goodbye Skelly/Korcha Norris joins automatically because I'm pretty sure his sequence in Viper Manor is a forced section of the game. If I'm wrong, please correct me. He does, guess the source I was using was wrong lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 There are no other ways that the game automatically records. Minimum stars just means minimum sidequests, so it kinda equates to minimum game time. The fights in this game are surprisngly low in terms of RNG reliance so I think in game time is a great way to determine who would win. That's what I mean though. Unless you guys would support not recruiting units that you drafted, some people will be facing obscenely higher amounts of Star acquisition which sucks up time. Adding like 3-5 stars forces players to at least try to average things a bit better. Otherwise if I draft skelly fuck him i'm not recruiting skelly, he determines the entire run IIRC the only case for character specific recruiting is Poshul recruiting Turnip, Grobyc recruits himself in the storyline. Also I'm glad someone else likes Grobyc :P He's so damn good. He really recruits himself? Can you refresh me as to where, automatically? I always thought you needed Norris for it. Maybe I just always used him there. You can actually recruit Poshul during the very beginning in Home World, you just need a Heckran Bone from some random place then use it near him. Aww fuck i forgot about that. This works, though it means 3 characters wouldn't be drafted if my math is correct. Goodbye Skelly/Korcha Oh well Skelly/Korcha/idk Mel or somebody, good riddance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lol, if there is any RPG besides Fire Emblem where drafts can work it's gotta be this one with it's ridiculous ~50 party members. Interested in seeing how this turns out. But I agree with Elieson that I don't think in-game time is a good measure of completion. If you think thats ridiculous you probably haven't played Radiata Stories or Suikoden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batter the Beast Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So yeah after talking to Elie and Jedi a bit, the main factor of who wins will be the lowest stat total on Serge. So, minimizing random encounters and sidequests is ideal since random encounters give small stat gains. This will make the run challenging in terms of actually beating the difficult bosses in this game and not in terms of how fast we can get from point A to point B. Also the Viper Manor trio can be drafted twice as per Elie's suggestion, meaning three characters will go undrafted. good riddance The OP should be updated with the final(?) rules shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Ok put some edits in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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