The worst children units...

[joshcja]

I wont speak for Shigure, but Ignatius has been tanking well in lategame Conquest/Lunatic (I havent even bought skills for him yet), so I really dont see him as bad as the world makes him out to be.

Siegbert is a great pair up slave since his Personal skill is perfectly usable with his spouse; especially if you go Charlotte!Siegbert and reclass him to Zerk. otherwise I will agree Siegbert is meh

2 of my favourite kids indeed, also Iggy x Percy Pair up is perfectly viable and gives Nina's personal actual reason to exist.

Almost all of the kids are perfectly fine postgame and any unit works with favoritism even on lunatic!conquest. Fate's is a really well made game fun in that respect and shitposter builds are just fun to use.

I have no hate for seig and iggy. Benny is actually one of my favorite charecters.

But on an absolute in game scale I compare every kid's cost/benefit to Ophelia who is effectively "Solo the game in base class from join chapter onwards" and you get benny in the chapter before she becomes available on conquest route. (Actually shigure at least has use as a late freeby pass falcoknight so knock him off that list.)

Earlier kids stay useful for secondary objectives and fun times but by the time you hit iggy and seigbert (who are legitimately good units yes, I have no hate for their stats and caps) the most reliable way to actually clear their paralouges is to either have a full endgame setup, or just paradrop Nos!Ophelia in and have her walk in a circle (same thing).

Either way its all over but the crying.

Edited March 15, 2016 by joshcja

[Azz]

as my post above states, Iggy is the best tank in the game, but it irks me that people are ignoring it when Iggy is VERY salvagable. Im using General Ignatius paired up with Wyvern Lord Percy and they are UNTOUCHABLE

I wont deny Iggy's usefulness and tankiness, but for all the cons he has over his pros, skipping him woudl be much more viable if you are marrying a first gen female. It doesn't help that Benny is also a bit hit or miss, especially in Rev and unless you spare Beruka or Rinkah, Iggy is not going to end up the best.

[Jakkun]

Yeah I'll concede here. I wasnt trying to pass it off as Iggy being a god (I shouldnt have used the term "Untouchable"), I just wanted to affirm that he isnt a bad unit. Of course my experience being one where I got Iggy rather early and didnt have any real issue with his Paralogue will not be the same as others. As for the last line, if youre implying that I was "crying"...please dont go there. I thought I was rather Civil.

I don't know anything about Revelations but I've never really seen Beruka as needed elsewhere. My posts really just pertain to Conquest, in which case Benny started much better than Charlotte in his join chapter and the Benny x Beruka ship is actually how I got through that Chapter. (Though he realllllly does need Wary Fighter)

Edited March 15, 2016 by Jakkun

[Tribute]

Takumi should be instantly suicided in birthright/rev

[Ebony]

Takumi should be instantly suicided in birthright/rev

You're funny.

I wont deny Iggy's usefulness and tankiness, but for all the cons he has over his pros, skipping him woudl be much more viable if you are marrying a first gen female. It doesn't help that Benny is also a bit hit or miss, especially in Rev and unless you spare Beruka or Rinkah, Iggy is not going to end up the best.

It's not a matter of Iggy being bad. It's just the others are so much better... if that makes sense?

[joshcja]

Yeah I'll concede here. I wasnt trying to pass it off as Iggy being a god (I shouldnt have used the term "Untouchable"), I just wanted to affirm that he isnt a bad unit. Of course my experience being one where I got Iggy rather early and didnt have any real issue with his Paralogue will not be the same as others. As for the last line, if youre implying that I was "crying"...please dont go there. I thought I was rather Civil.

I don't know anything about Revelations but I've never really seen Beruka as needed elsewhere. My posts really just pertain to Conquest, in which case Benny started much better than Charlotte in his join chapter and the Benny x Beruka ship is actually how I got through that Chapter. (Though he realllllly does need Wary Fighter)

"All over but the crying" is an idiom meaning a situation that is irreparably fucked for the referenced party but has yet to be concluded.

Aka a late iggy/seig party vs the game.

It's not a shot at you or anyone, I'm considerably more hateful than that when I go off.

Also tribute speaks truth.

Edit: Beruka is an Arthur tier gen 1 zerker I can see her making a great iggy. Really solid unit she just lacks deathblow aura.

Edited March 16, 2016 by joshcja

[Oshimos]

Dwyer has a special niche if you recruit him early in that he can inherit a level 15 skill from Jakob pretty early in the game. Felicia can do it too, but if you're Femui she doesn't join until after chapter 15, so that limits her usefulness.

Like, in extreme cases, you can pull off stupid things like an early replicate Kagero!Dwyer, which is really nice in Rev since you have so few deployment slots, so having two staffbots for one slot is pretty swell.

If you're recruiting everyone at the end of the game, though, then yeah, Dwyer kind of sucks.

[Karis]

Dwyer's worth outside of the Castle is pretty low when there's a lot better options for healing.

As for Iggy, he is good at tanking if paired up, but to be fair so are almost all Generals/Great Knights on their own. His personal skill also hurts him a lot when not paired up. But if you're the type to always have him paired, then he's a good meat shield.The biggest problem he and Benny share is that they're both inferior to Effie. You could argue that Iggy is better if paired up, but the fact he has to be paired up to tank better is reason enough when Effie can be on her own and still kick ass.

But if you want my opinion on worst child, it's Asugi.

[Samias]

Playing through Birthright I didn't plan for super optimal children or anything but ones who stood out as not great:

Super outclassed tier:

Hisame: His father isn't very good (I got extra screwed and he had 4 res as a 20 samurai. Seriously.) and Hisame is just so average in every way. Shigure, Shiro, Kiragi and Caeldori are just better than him outright as far as physical units go.

Dwyer: Essentially worthless personal skill for the main story. Another staffbot but doesn't have as good of a class set as Mitama. Simply not useful.

Situational but not amazing tier:

Rhajat: I did use her as a chapter as a pre-leveled magic unit with fem!Corrin Felicia as her mother but her skill was 11 at her base of 20/4?! I should have picked a more skillful mother but talk about deficient... She's probably better in Revelation where Hayato gets free levels.

Midori: Even though Kaze is great, Midori needs to obtain some procs from her mother to be worthwhile, or else she's just outclassed by Kiragi. Great for making money but Lethality is the only offensive proc skill she has guaranteed access too. The list of mothers who give her activation skills and worthwhile stats is pretty thin as well. She's better than the above on this list but honestly her personal skill is the only reason why.

Asugi is simply easy to screw up if you think he'd prefer a physical class due to his class set, however he excels more in magic and should pick an appropriate mother for that. His physical side is still salvagable but with a base 50% mag growth before his class and mother's modifiers, he really wants an explosive shuriken *at least*.

[ShadowStar77]

Yeah Asugi is a little funky. Orochi!Asugi is quite nice as an Onmyoji especially when you get him Wary Fighter from Ignatius. Either way his back-up staffing and high Magic nets him some utility imo. Midori always has that 100% proc set-up to go for and she is very good at farming for weapons and gold.

[Samias]

Midori always has that 100% proc set-up to go for and she is very good at farming for weapons and gold.

Yeah she's good at farming for resources but I ended up not liking her as a combat unit. Her base class is not really good other than the money making aspect. If she doesn't get a strong and speedy mom or you don't build her a Miracle build then she's kind of suspect for long term viability in-game. She's a monster for endgame My Castle battles though.

[eclipse]

Play with Friendship Seals a bit. Kaze can A+ Silas, netting Luna if you don't mind being a Great Knight. Shigure's going to be a rallybot with Rally Luck/Magic, despite not having Monk/Diviner in his class tree. Go nuts~!

(if I can buy skills, I'm gonna assume that I can pass already-obtained skills on with no consequence)

[Dark Holy Elf]

I haen't gotten all the kids yet (I only bother getting the kids of first-gen characters I actualy use in any given playthrough FE13-14). So far, of the kids I have gotten, Dwyer has felt the most underwhelming. Most of the kids tend to average slightly better than their father is at the same level, plus a skill from their mom. (Obviously some kids don't replicate some of their dads' special perks, such as Raijinto, and are worse anyway.) Dwyer... fits this! But unfortunately he joins at a point of the game where Jakob has become underwhelming anyway, so I don't really need another healer. I should also mention that Selkie didn't really seem to eclipse her father at much, and they fight over some beaststones, too, which is a shame because Selkie amuses me.

Otherwise, I have to mention Shigure, for the same reason as I would have mentioned Inigo in the previous game: getting dancers lots of support ranks is annoying. Dancing/singing really should have given more support points than it does IMO... though I'm not sure how much that would have fixed the problem, because I don't want to glue my dancer to one person... the whole tactical point of a dancer is to refresh whoever needs it most for the current situation! I haven't actually looked at his stats yet but unless they're insanely high, he's not going to be worth it to me.

[Skornvorax]

Honestly, I feel like Children in Fates tend to depend in one's parents and usually can be good or bad compared to each run, there is no best or worse child by himself, sure some are better then others but still, I think the child thing is neat because it makes me want to play the game again not only for the supports but to see how they effected with one character

anyway, back to the topic, I think Shigure, hre isnt really so bad as people say, sure getting Azura's Support is kinda annoying but at least she can do some damage by herself, sure Shigure feels like just another Pegasus Knight but he can be a good unit if used correctly.... although any unit can be good if used correctly... anyway, sure he is nothing special and his personal skill is just ok I guess but, its not so bad really... maybe I just tend to train and enjoy most characters that people say its bad, or I just made them be useful.

But I gotta admit Takumi's son felt rather.... eh, its not that he is bad or anything its just that other archers felt much better,but problaby because im not a big fan of archers

[Thor Odinson]

Getting Azura paired off is painful, but at least she'll net you not one but two exp levels (which are more important on runs that ban challenge/dlc, granted) should you want them

Edited March 17, 2016 by Thor Odinson

[Samias]

Honestly, I feel like Children in Fates tend to depend in one's parents and usually can be good or bad compared to each run, there is no best or worse child by himself, sure some are better then others but still, I think the child thing is neat because it makes me want to play the game again not only for the supports but to see how they effected with one character

anyway, back to the topic, I think Shigure, hre isnt really so bad as people say, sure getting Azura's Support is kinda annoying but at least she can do some damage by herself, sure Shigure feels like just another Pegasus Knight but he can be a good unit if used correctly.... although any unit can be good if used correctly... anyway, sure he is nothing special and his personal skill is just ok I guess but, its not so bad really... maybe I just tend to train and enjoy most characters that people say its bad, or I just made them be useful.

But I gotta admit Takumi's son felt rather.... eh, its not that he is bad or anything its just that other archers felt much better,but problaby because im not a big fan of archers

Shigure has his own niche as a flying Rally specialist who can take care of himself. Plus his chapter is very easy so he's a good pickup whenever you want him although it will probably be late. While Caeldori is better in combat, Shigure still has some good utility. His biggest issue is that he rarely gets a worthwhile skill inheritance from his mother. Chances are you'll get luck+4 unless you pick him up late.

Kiragi is best picked up late with auto promotion. His chapter is a bit tougher but Kiragi is generally pretty safe. Then he can auto level into lance ranks by going Kinshi Knight immediately. That alone will set him apart from Takumi and Setsuna. His personal skill is also ridiculous for enemy phase or for getting danced. He's one of the better children even if he doesn't get an amazing prf bow like his father. I can see him being "just another archer" if he joins too early though.

[joshcja]

The more I play this game the more I feel Non-Avatar Dwyer as a legitimately good kid in-game if you can get him @ level 10ish his personal bases and growths are pretty fantastic and an early Tomebreaker/Inspiration cav that can effectively use mag weapons seems worth burning a heart seal on everywhere (Especially in birthright) even with his useless main game personal.

With a decent secondary from his mom he seems like a potential birthright/Rev MVP and still looks super good on conquest route.

(Definitely going to give him a chance on my next run)

[Halt19]

I'm in the same boat, but I already screwed up my pairings. I have an Elise Sophie, a Kagero Kana, a Rinkah Asugi, a Mozu Midori, and a Camilla Kiragi. At least I'm OK with the Beruka Ignatius... thinking I'm gonna drop Dwyer though. Useless personal skill and both Kana and my avatar can use staves and have replicate.

[Integrity]

okay