Jedi Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 For some reason his Bottom Tier video is not working for me, but his low and mid are. He's going from Bottom to Top in his opinion, and for a quick summary of who he has put so far. Bottom 56. Mii Swordfighter 55. Jigglypuff 54. Zelda 53. Mii Gunner 52. Ganondorf Low 51. Mii Brawler 50. King Dedede 49. Bowser Jr. 48. Little Mac (He says Mac is either alot higher or here, because he is so extreme in either dominating the opponent or just dying in seconds) 47. Samus 46. Link (Reaaaaally disagree with this one because I've seen some really good high level Link play, and even recently in Japan) Mid 45. Falco 44. Roy 43. Pac-Man 42. Wario 41. Wii Fit 40. Duck Hunt 39. Palutena 38. Ike 37. G&W 36. Kirby 35. Charizard 34. Doctor Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I think Link suffers quite a bit since there's a basically superior version of him in the game from what I understand. I say this as a fan of TWW and a non-expert in SSB, but that's what it always seemed like to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 I think Link suffers quite a bit since there's a basically superior version of him in the game from what I understand. I say this as a fan of TWW and a non-expert in SSB, but that's what it always seemed like to me. Well yeah Toon Link exists, but the funny thing is they play pretty differently, Toon Link relies more on his quick combos, bombs etc, and Link is more power & setups, they both have alot of surprisingly good setups in this game, Toon Link just lacks the negatives Link does to an extent (and has his own negatives that aren't quite as bad), but I don't think Link is that low because he has some really solid ways to ko people super early haha. Just personal opinion and what I've seen/played against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I suppose his Bottom Tier video would have been the deleted video in this playlist? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkqFtvxndWyMRrumWyWL54CULhKqrrBxn Apparently it's taken down because of a copyright claim from "Erik Schmidt". That's really weird. I would have expected a company name. Edit: I suppose ZeRo's twitter is a better source about what happened to the video: https://twitter.com/TSMZeRo/status/769299269182447617 Edited August 27, 2016 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 I suppose his Bottom Tier video would have been the deleted video in this playlist? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkqFtvxndWyMRrumWyWL54CULhKqrrBxn Apparently it's taken down because of a copyright claim from "Erik Schmidt". That's really weird. I would have expected a company name. Edit: I suppose ZeRo's twitter is a better source about what happened to the video: https://twitter.com/TSMZeRo/status/769299269182447617 Man... Youtube's system is as flawed as ever I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Swordfighter at the lowest That's cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Masters Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 You know what this means, guys! Incoming patch notes 1.1.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 You know what this means, guys! Incoming patch notes 1.1.7 Haha I thought of this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami922 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 You know what this means, guys! Incoming patch notes 1.1.7 Yep, right when we to the high tiers. Hopefully Palutena will get some buffs to get her out of "mid". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shadowofchaos Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Still can't believe Reflet isn't considered garbage anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) Still can't believe Reflet isn't considered garbage anymore. Well considering Dath, from Flordia has been beating tons of really skilled people (He made top 32 at EVO too), including the best Fox player Larry Lurr recently, yeah people are taking him/her alot more seriously. Edited August 29, 2016 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) It goes to show how much of a viable cast Smash 4 has. Besides the 1.1.5 power creep that was Bayo, I'd say Smash 4 has the most balanced cast out of all the games. Edited August 29, 2016 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Masters Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 It goes to show how much of a viable cast Smash 4 has. Besides the 1.1.5 power creep that was Bayo, I'd say Smash 4 has the most balanced cast out of all the games. Ehhh, that's questionable at best. With such a huge roster, a large amount of characters will be viable, yes. But it will never be more than a 30% of the full roster. Still better than Melee and Brawl, for sure, but if you compare that to othe fighting games like, say, Killer Instinct (where 80% of the characters are very viable) and then you can see that the ratio isn't that impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 "55. Jigglypuff" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) Ehhh, that's questionable at best. With such a huge roster, a large amount of characters will be viable, yes. But it will never be more than a 30% of the full roster. Still better than Melee and Brawl, for sure, but if you compare that to othe fighting games like, say, Killer Instinct (where 80% of the characters are very viable) and then you can see that the ratio isn't that impressive. if melee Puff can win majors with her Fox MU...existing, other characters in smash 4 can do the same. 30% seems a bit pessimistic. Edited August 30, 2016 by Comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Oh hey Bowser is in the "Upper Tiers" so that's cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) "High Tier" is up 20: Toon Link 19: Ness 18: Mega Man 17: Pikachu 16: Corrin 15: Villager 14: Meta Knight Next vid is last vid, top 13. Edited August 31, 2016 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) I suppose the remaining characters are pretty much who you'd expect but... where is Marth? Did I miss him in the previous videos? ZeRo can't possibly have put him into top tier. Edited August 31, 2016 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) "Watch out whippersnappers, Foxy Grandpa gonna tipper you all out of this tourney with the Falchion." It's not surprising that people have been getting better with characters over time and causing shifts in tiers. Remember when ZeRo couldn't be touched at EVO way back when? Edited August 31, 2016 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I suppose the remaining characters are pretty much who you'd expect but... where is Marth? Did I miss him in the previous videos? ZeRo can't possibly have put him into top tier. I'm thinking he may have put him just short of top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) It's not surprising that people have been getting better with characters over time and causing shifts in tiers. Well, true but I would have figured that Marth shares a lot of the problems that Roy has, like a lack of approach options for example. And that boy is all the way down at the bottom. Well, maybe not quite at the bottom but he is ranked 44 from 56. It's just that the bottom/low tiers are rather small. Edited August 31, 2016 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Sheik, Diddy, Bayonetta, Sonic, Mario, ZSS, Mewtwo, Ryu, Rosaluma, Cloud, Fox, Marth/Lucina wait, Lucario in top? Lucina Top Tier Waifu boys, we did it! Edited August 31, 2016 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Wow Marth, Lucina, and Lucario all in the Top 13? That's surprising, to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Well, true but I would have figured that Marth shares a lot of the problems that Roy has, like a lack of approach options for example. And that boy is all the way down at the bottom. Well, maybe not quite at the bottom but he is ranked 44 from 56. It's just that the bottom/low tiers are rather small.I personally have trouble keeping Marths out as a Robin.Roy has to be up in your face, while Marth can weave in and out of "I can hit as hard as Ike, and faster" range. You can be just short of hitting him and he can punish you with a tipper tilt or Fsmash. It's just that he isn't autopilot short hop double fair like he used to be was probably the wall that players had to get over and adapt to. Edited August 31, 2016 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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