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Just to note, 3rd party characters could be cut if the contracts for them don't extend to the Switch version and Nintendo doesn't feel like renewing them. However, the DLC 3rd parties probably included a potential Switch version in their contracts and Sonic, Megaman, and Pac-Man are likely safe because of who they are and what companies they're from.

True that, but I'm going to assume here, as you point out, that Nintendo foresaw the 3rd party deals for future ports of the game. Plus, there would be very little reason for the 3rd parties to not be part of the Switch version of the game.

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I think Vaati should be chosen over Impa, not just because I prefer him as a character, but because I feel he would be more fresh and original. I can see Impa just being cloned off of Sheik because both are Sheikahs and Zelda already has two clones in its group (G-dorf is a clone of Captain Falcon and Toon Link is another Link). Vaati would definitely be a new and more original character because of his magic. In fact, he'd be the only character in the game besides Zelda herself that uses ONLY magic (Robin also uses a sword, remember) and because he's a villain, his magic would work pretty differently from hers. Also, Four Sword Zelda has very little representation in the games overall.

Sakurai likes bringing new stuff to his Smash games too, so this should be along his way of thinking as well. There's just the matter of whether or not he'll be involved this time...

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Ganon is the Zelda rep I want. Need more heavy weights on the roster. Plus Trident user. That's pretty new.

Also Zelda should use a sword. Her moveset is way more baseless than Ganondorfs.

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Ganon is already a Final Smash though. If you make him a playable character, what would Ganondorf's FS be? xP

Pretty different version of Ganon though. I'm suggesting the more classical bipedal big beast wielding a trident rather than the lion boar like one from Twilight Princess he's kept around as his final smash. Though even with the rule of only one Ganon there are still other things Ganondorf could do for a Final Smash. He's certainly sown enough untapped abilities throughout the franchise.

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I highly doubt they will throw in a new Fire Emblem character. If they do, it may be at the cost of losing Lucina.

I really don't think they will add in a whole lot of new characters. Unless I missed something recently.

If they do, it will likely be a new donkey kong character, possibly another Pokémon, and maybe another third party. (As unlikely of a chance as it is, I really wish Blizzard could get a character in here. )

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I highly doubt they will throw in a new Fire Emblem character. If they do, it may be at the cost of losing Lucina.

I really don't think they will add in a whole lot of new characters. Unless I missed something recently.

If they do, it will likely be a new donkey kong character, possibly another Pokémon, and maybe another third party. (As unlikely of a chance as it is, I really wish Blizzard could get a character in here. )

Again, if the rumors of this game being a port are true, it makes no sense to lose anyone.

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Again, if the rumors of this game being a port are true, it makes no sense to lose anyone.

True, I just highly doubt that a Fire Emblem character will be revealed for Smash. With the amount of hate Corrin was getting beat with when he was revealed, they will probably give Fire Emblem a rest until a new Smash Bros is in the works (and while Sakurai says Smash is done, Nintendo is the one that gets the final say. They will continue that series without him if they really want to.)

Edit: Grammar, it's what I get for trying to do this on a phone.

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Copy/pasted from that other thread:

In around one year, Smash 4 received 7 characters (three veterans and four newcomers), 10 stages (four from past games, one from 3DS, one is mostly just Battlefield), 40 Mii Fighter costumes, several trophies and several music tracks through DLC. Assuming that Smash Switch (alternatively known as Swash or Smitch) was in development since DLC ended (and there's reason to believe that it has, since the Bayonetta nerf patch was released after Sakurai claimed that development was over), then there should be a similar amount of new content.

Guesses, if there is a similar amount of characters:

-Ice Climbers

-Wolf

-Inkling

-Chorus Kids/Rhythm Heaven character

-Decidueye/Gen. VII Pokémon

-Third party

Of course there are other possible candidates, such as (Captain) Toad, another Zelda character, Dixie/K, Rool, Takamaru, etc. but I think these are the most likely based on what we know.

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For the record, I'm not expecting an FE character either. The only real possibility is the main character for FE Mobile but I think it's a HUGE longshot, and they never go for older FE characters unless you're Marth, the current MC, or a veteran.

Man, I'd love to see Captain Toad. I definitely feel that he's the best possible pick if we get another Mario character. (Bonus points if we get Captain Toadette as an alt)

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I'm not interested in any new 1st party characters (unless Isaac counts). Most of the 1st party characters that were added to Smash 4 were either C listers at best (off the top of my head, the only noteworthy 1st party inclusions,were Little Mac and Shulk if he counts) or flavor of the year characters (e.g. the latest Pokemon, the latest Fire Emblem characters). Besides Inkling, most of the other 1st party requests here fall under the same boat IMO. It's a consequence of Nintendo creating very few new IP's (or at least, very few noteworthy new IP's); because there's nothing actually new to look forwards too, people either have to dig even deeper into the franchises that Nintendo still consistently makes (e.g. requesting Captain Toad), or picking characters from niche games (e.g. requesting Chorus Kids, although I'm pretty guilty of this myself; personally I'd be hype for anyone from Golden Sun and any of the cooler robots from Custom Robo). Whereas during Brawl it felt like there was limitless possibility for a fighting game based on Nintendo's huge history of characters, now it just feels constrained by being tied to Nintendo considering there are so many more interesting third party characters (that played a bigger role in Nintendo's own history) that are going to get sidelined for someone like Captain Toad.

HOWEVER, since this is not a new game, they don't even need to release a significant amount of newer characters (I'm assuming they're going to add the characters that they said they cut, but I don't think they've announced any plans to add anyone else as of yet)! What I'm really hoping for is for the developers to take this time, and really rebalance a lot of the weaker characters. Jigglypuff is literally useless for no good reason, a lot of Dedede's moves straight up don't work properly, Zelda is balanced exactly the same as when she was attached to Sheik despite that not being a thing anymore (same goes for Sheik, although it's far more advantageous for Sheik considering they really fucking sucked at balancing the Zelda/Sheik duo in the first place), etc. It'd really make the game a lot better and more enjoyable for me (and people who played these characters might feel similarly) than if they just added another 1st party character that I couldn't care less about.

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I don't necessarily think "port" is the word your looking for. More of a "remake", kind of like the zelda "remakes", they are the same, with a few new features.

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The same game with added features is still what I would consider a port. The Zelda remakes were built from the ground up for the 3DS (not even using the same art assets), which is why I'd consider them remakes

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I'm not interested in any new 1st party characters (unless Isaac counts). Most of the 1st party characters that were added to Smash 4 were either C listers at best (off the top of my head, the only noteworthy 1st party inclusions,were Little Mac and Shulk if he counts) or flavor of the year characters (e.g. the latest Pokemon, the latest Fire Emblem characters). Besides Inkling, most of the other 1st party requests here fall under the same boat IMO. It's a consequence of Nintendo creating very few new IP's (or at least, very few noteworthy new IP's); because there's nothing actually new to look forwards too, people either have to dig even deeper into the franchises that Nintendo still consistently makes (e.g. requesting Captain Toad), or picking characters from niche games (e.g. requesting Chorus Kids). Whereas during Brawl it felt like there was limitless possibility for a fighting game based on Nintendo's huge history of characters, now it just feels constrained by being tied to Nintendo considering there are so many more interesting third party characters (that played a bigger role in Nintendo's own history) that are going to get sidelined for someone like Captain Toad.

I have to agree. I still think Final Fantast deserves at least two more slots for Cecil and Tera since FF 4 and FF 6 were huge RPGs on the Super Nintendo. And the reason I keep talking about Blizzard Entertainment is because Nintendo/Super Nintendo is where they got their start. While I agree that some first party need to have priority, and that negotiations are a big component of what does and doesn't get in, I really can't say I would be more interested in another Donkey Kong character over one from Final Fantasy, Warcraft, or some other third party game. But that is just my personal opinion.

And I would love to see some better balance as well.

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I don't necessarily think "port" is the word your looking for. More of a "remake", kind of like the zelda "remakes", they are the same, with a few new features.

I don't think so. Remake implies they're actually making the game again. Port just implies they're taking the same game and putting it on a new system with a few new features. It's like comparing Majora's Mask 3D (remake) to Majora's Mask on the collector's edition (port).

If we're talking Final Fantasy characters, the only one who really deserved a spot in the first place (including Cloud) is Chocobo. They're the mascot of the series and have had tonnes of their own games, many of which have been on Nintendo Consoles.

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The same game with added features is still what I would consider a port. The Zelda remakes were built from the ground up for the 3DS (not even using the same art assets), which is why I'd consider them remakes

I don't think so. Remake implies they're actually making the game again. Port just implies they're taking the same game and putting it on a new system with a few new features. It's like comparing Majora's Mask 3D (remake) to Majora's Mask on the collector's edition (port).

If we're talking Final Fantasy characters, the only one who really deserved a spot in the first place (including Cloud) is Chocobo. They're the mascot of the series and have had tonnes of their own games, many of which have been on Nintendo Consoles.

Eh, sure they are the mascot of the series, but what would they really have as a move set. They have never been a playable character, aren't intelligent enough to cast magic, never really fought in the past, and really we don't know much about them other than they are like the horses of Final Fantasy. I will agree that they are a huge part of final fantasy. Maybe as an assist trophy that causes a stampede of Chocobos or something.

That and people really don't have the same kind of connection for Chocobos as they do for characters like Cecil, Tera, and even the villains like Kefka, Gabranth, or Sephiroth.

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Mascots aren't as iconic as characters (unless they're both, of course). Much more people have a nostalgic attachment to Cloud than they do for Chocobos.

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If the switch one is having new stuff, I definitely want Wolf back as he is one of my favorites. I also want a F-Zero character as well. Everything else? I'm good on. I got Robin like I wanted in Smash 4. I'm not pressing my luck again :D. Especially because I was all "I really want Captain Falcon and Robin!" And then that trailer... Was the greatest thing I had scene in a long time for their introduction.

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I highly doubt they will throw in a new Fire Emblem character. If they do, it may be at the cost of losing Lucina.

Again, if the rumors of this game being a port are true, it makes no sense to lose anyone.

And it would make even less sense to lose Lucina (or Dark Pit or Dr. Mario). How would any FE character or anyone get in the way of a slightly altered clone? RosaLuma and Bowser Jr. didn't prevent Dr. Mario from making it in, after all.
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There's been a rumor floating around from reputable sources that the release will have "a few but not a lot of" new characters. I'd take that to mean the ballpark of half a dozen; possibly less, almost certainly not more. Here's who I think have realistic shots at making it in:

-Ice Climbers (were in a workable stage in the Wii U version but held back by the 3DS; though considering the alterations needed to stages in 8-player Smash, I could foresee difficulty in getting them working now as well-- assuming the Switch version bothers updating the visuals)

-Takamaru (was a strong contender for the original release but held back due to being Japanese exclusive; his game was released worldwide on the 3DS e-shop shortly before the original release launched)

-Inkling (Splatoon has sold freakin' gangbusters. Do the math.)

-Decidueye (one of the most popular Gen VII Pokemon by far with a ton of moveset possibilities; I could see TPCI lobbying for it due to the next fully new Smash game likely coming out around Gen VIII, when Gen VII is old news)

As for personal hopes but definitely less likely:

-Sylux

-Elma

-Monster Hunter

-Vaati

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Eh, sure they are the mascot of the series, but what would they really have as a move set. They have never been a playable character, aren't intelligent enough to cast magic, never really fought in the past, and really we don't know much about them other than they are like the horses of Final Fantasy. I will agree that they are a huge part of final fantasy. Maybe as an assist trophy that causes a stampede of Chocobos or something.

That and people really don't have the same kind of connection for Chocobos as they do for characters like Cecil, Tera, and even the villains like Kefka, Gabranth, or Sephiroth.

Did you not see me say they have their own game series (where they're, obviously, a playable character)? It's even popular enough to have a racing spin off. As for abilities, they have displayed the ability to use magic (and having intelligence) dozens of times in both their own games and the main series. The coolest (and most inexplicable) is the ability to summon meteors. But they've also specialised in healing and guard magic as well as general offensive stuff like Chocobo Flare. I can only assume due to the number of games released over the years and the relative lack of discussion of them over here (despite most, maybe even all, of them getting localised) that it's the kind of thing that's more popular in Japan. Evidently someone's playing them though.

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There's been a rumor floating around from reputable sources that the release will have "a few but not a lot of" new characters. I'd take that to mean the ballpark of half a dozen; possibly less, almost certainly not more.

Yeah, that's basically what this whole thread's been about so far... We know. xP

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Also of note from the rumors is that the Cloud and Bayonetta amiibo figures are to be released at the same time as the Switch port of Smash 4. No known word of the release of the Corrin amiibo figure.

Rumored release date is within about 6 months after the release of the Switch console so as late as Sept. to Oct. 2017.

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