Birdy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JSND said: LnD can be swapped around but i honestly somewhat agree I honestly think Michalis(QR build) and Frederick as the best overall Axe though with Frederick being basically the best of the best True, it depends on how you rate units. If you'd want LnD on Raven you'll have to sacrifice a 5* unit. If we determine how 'good' a unit is, do we assume limitless SP and units? And how do you factor in class like bonuses like hone Cavalry/Flier/Armor? I always wondered how they thought about that with the wiki tierlists. Edited May 19, 2017 by Birdy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I don't like Lloyd's design in heroes. His small beard is absent and he's not that identical. I thought of someone else honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Birdy said: True, it depends on how you rate units. If you'd want LnD on Raven you'll have to sacrifice a 5* unit. If we determine how 'good' a unit is, do we assume limitless SP and units? I always wondered how they thought about that with the wiki tierlists. I always assume what build they can run effectively at max potential both considering their best builds and teambuilding benefits tbh. When you want to know how the imperfect version stands you can simply calc it For example Michalis without QR is probably B-. With QR he jumps to A+. This ended up giving a very weird tierlist thanks to overall homogenization though. Like to give an idea this is how tier list like that would probably look like D+ Tier: Olivia Ninian Azura. S+ Tier: Reinhardt Ursula Leo Cecilia (Spring)Camilla. S Tier: Eldigan, Xander, Hector, Ryoma, Ike, Celica, Tharja, Nino, Linde, Soren. Maybe Minerva and Michalis A+: Cain, Cherche, Abel, Frederick, Kagero, MRobin, Mae, Cordelia, Est, Hinoka, Takumi, Klein A lot of placements are random and theres a distinct lack of infantry but you get the idea. Edited May 19, 2017 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, JSND said: I always assume what build they can run effectively at max potential both considering their best builds and teambuilding benefits tbh This ended up giving a very weird tierlist thanks to overall homogenization though. Like Olivia Ninian Azura is clearly S+ but for me the S Tier would be Cecilia Olwen Leo Reinhardt Ursula Ahah, I edited my post 1 minute after you qouted it with the same question of how they factor in class-specific C-skill bonusses xD. Seeing how well Cavalry emblem works, those units you specified would indeed be S to S+. Hell, even without cavalry buffs there's a good reason for atleast Reinhardt to be S+ if you ask most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, komasa said: I think, the reason I'd want to upgrade Xander atm is for a higher arena score, and see if he performs better with Siegfried, since to be absolutely honest 4* Xander is kinda disappointing For the record, I let Gordin die and used Jeorge for the rest of the game But yeah, you're right. 4 star Xander isn't exactly the best thing since sliced bread. But if you do 5 star him, he can put in MAD work, especially on a defense tile with Vantage or Quick Riposte. Here's his build of you want it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcom Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Oh dear I feared these would be Lloyd's skill. Can someone explain why he has pass and threaten atk? Iceberg is good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Falcom said: Oh dear I feared these would be Lloyd's skill. Can someone explain why he has pass and threaten atk? Same reason why Navarre has Blazing wind Because why the heck not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I have no motivation to train Lloyd. He looks... not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Falcom said: Oh dear I feared these would be Lloyd's skill. Can someone explain why he has pass and threaten atk? Iceberg is good though. Threaten ATK: He had high RES and LOW DEF so lets put Threaten ATK Pass: Go read the script of FE7 chapter 24 again and tell me Pass did not fit him I mean.... he's a fucking assassin at the end of the day. Iceberg made sense for obvious reason but this kinda give hints that Linus would probably have Bonfire though That being said isn't Lloyd's pretty decent? Regal Blade essentially put him at 50 Attack and 37 Speed. Thats exactly 1 speed higher but otherwise identical to Lucina. Lucina and Hana is still better according to calcs and ability to use Braves since they did not have weapon oriented stats inflation but though Edited May 19, 2017 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, GuiltyLove said: I have no motivation to train Lloyd. He looks... not good Lloyd looks fantastic. The stats, I mean. not the art. Base 32 Atk gives him an effective 50 Atk when initiating against full-HP enemies, on top of a respectable 37 Spd. Either LaD or Fury works great on him, though. Effective 40 or 42 Spd to go with 53 / 55 Atk? Those are some great parameters before we even consider the B skill, which can let him function as a Sword check or go full Desperado after 1-2 rounds of combat. And his sprite art looks good too. I personally will be training him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 So the art turned me off otherwise a character I was a really interested in But if he's really that good stat-wise maybe's he's back to the 5 starring option then (I lack red 5 stars) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 41 HP, 32 Atk (48 with Regal Blade, 50 with RB’s effect), 35 Spd (37 with RB’s effect), 20 Def, 30 Res. Not too shabby at all! Dat sweet, sweet Res. Edited May 19, 2017 by Vaximillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Alright guys, lets be real here Lloyd looks like a total bum, but he doesn't 100% suck as a hero. Give the guy some credit! Stats first, skills next, looks later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: 35 Spd (27 with RB’s effect) Not too shabby at all! You okay? One of these is not like the others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, MrSmokestack said: You okay? One of these is not like the others... Regal Blade outclasses my bro Brave Sword RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: You okay? I fail at mathsnot making typos forever. Cut me some slack, okay? Edited May 19, 2017 by Vaximillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) BRAVE SWORD! Edited May 19, 2017 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JSND said: Regal Blade outclasses my bro Brave Sword RIP It's supposed to be lighter than a silver... @Vaximillian Oh it's fine don't worry about it Edited May 19, 2017 by MrSmokestack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Arcanite said: Stats first, skills next, looks later! unless its ur baeb oboro amirite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyCheez3K Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I just wanted a Celica banner pull for my Arena runs, and got a Hinoka.... while there is a seperate Hinoka banner..... ffs. It seems some people want her badly as well, so it's even worse, I'd immediately give her to someone in need (-SPD/+HP, tho), but I guess I shouldn't mind too much; I kinda like her otherwise. Need moar Orbs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Lloyd looks fantastic. The stats, I mean. not the art. Base 32 Atk gives him an effective 50 Atk when initiating against full-HP enemies, on top of a respectable 37 Spd. Either LaD or Fury works great on him, though. Effective 40 or 42 Spd to go with 53 / 55 Atk? Those are some great parameters before we even consider the B skill, which can let him function as a Sword check or go full Desperado after 1-2 rounds of combat. And his sprite art looks good too. I personally will be training him up. But... Pass. So much inheritance needed! I'll just train up ex-husbando Xander instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 53 minutes ago, JSND said: Threaten ATK: He had high RES and LOW DEF so lets put Threaten ATK Pass: Go read the script of FE7 chapter 24 again and tell me Pass did not fit him I mean.... he's a fucking assassin at the end of the day. Iceberg made sense for obvious reason but this kinda give hints that Linus would probably have Bonfire though That being said isn't Lloyd's pretty decent? Regal Blade essentially put him at 50 Attack and 37 Speed. Thats exactly 1 speed higher but otherwise identical to Lucina. Lucina and Hana is still better according to calcs and ability to use Braves since they did not have weapon oriented stats inflation but though I can see a FEH Linus having similar stats to Lloyd but having Res and Def switched around and maybe some more Atk and less Spd. Basically a tanky red or tanky green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) DIRE THUNDER! Ugh...and I didn't refresh this time. Edited May 19, 2017 by Lord-Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 At least Lloyd's sprite gets his color scheme right. Not sure how it got so messed up in his art. Managed to get Boey with the gauntlet orbs! First focus pull since Spring Festival, too. I don't need a bonus character, but Gronnowl looks like a low of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immatx Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) Oooooh Ninian banner. But is it worth burning all my orbs for..... Yes. Hmmm, choices, choices.... Edited May 19, 2017 by immatx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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