MrSmokestack Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Anacybele said: Way to miss my point entirely. Smash has characters from all sorts of games. Heroes has only FE characters and gameplay. Not other characters from other game series. Therefore, it is an FE game. Gacha is not true gambling because of what Clogon just said above. @Clogon I was going to state the differences but SoC already gave his input on that, so me adding onto it would be superfluous. Also, *ahem* 3 hours ago, MrSmokestack said: First and foremost, Heroes is not a fire emblem game, it is a gacha game. Dry spells work just as well as limited-time banners at getting people to spend money, which is endgame of IS, so to speak. *Bold* My original point still stands. I will admit Smash Bros. is a bit of an extreme example though. The goal of gacha--or any F2P game in existence--is to make you spend money. Not having the two daily orbs adds to the temptation to squeeze out some extra pulls during banners with characters you want. Even so, compared to other gachas, Heroes is unusually generous with its premium currency and other limiting factors like feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogon Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 hour ago, shadowofchaos said: Simply because those cards have physical value. When you "gamble" with a pull on a gacha game it has no value but to the account tied to it. You can't resell individual pulls to someone else. While with cards, you can. You always get something out of packs that has physical value via "collecting". Sorry I didn't see your edit. The "physical value" only exists because of secondary markets. Many online video games nowadays prevent trading to eliminate secondary markets so that only the game developper can profit. It also eliminate trading scams, thefts and headaches (lots and lots of headaches, see the Diablo 3 Auction House problems for example). It is possible to prevent secondary markets of physical goods. But the cost to carry out and sustain such an action is too high to deem it worth pursuing. There are plenty of "Gacha" that are tradeable. For example Dota/Overwatch have many skins and cosmetics that come from random chests with higher monetary value than what the creators initially released them at. They just aren't pure Gacha games but the value for the rare virtual items on the secondary markets are through the roof. Such a value pretty much ignore the comparison between virtual and physical. 1 hour ago, Gustavos said: I'm a monster at Blackjack and know how to make the best out of my odds. Assuming only 1 deck of cards is used sure. You are playing with a very limited 52 card pool where possible outcomes are eliminated as they show up. The 2 games are very different. Only if you return the card to the pool before drawing a new one would these games become even remotely comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Clogon said: Assuming only 1 deck of cards is used sure. You are playing with a very limited 52 card pool where possible outcomes are eliminated as they show up. The 2 games are very different. Only if you return the card to the pool before drawing a new one would these games become even remotely comparable. 1 deck of cards? Ha, no casino would give the player such an advantage as counting cards. I was just making a joke with regard to people calling this game gambling - It can't be gambling because I'm no good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Gustavos said: It can't be gambling because I'm no good at it. Weren't you the same guy who caved from being free to play a while ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Arcanite said: Weren't you the same guy who caved from being free to play a while ago? BURN THE HEATHEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I've spent real money once which got me a Hinoka (I wanted Cordelia :[). I got a free Google Play card once that net me 75 orbs, but I didn't even need them to get Ninian and a Jaffar. Those 75 did get me Azura and a second Jaffar though. Even though I wanted Priscilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 minute ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: I got a free Google Play card WHERE DO U HAVE A SUGAR DADDY actually i would still never renounce my f2p status even if i had someone give me a free card :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 minute ago, GuiltyLove said: WHERE DO U HAVE A SUGAR DADDY actually i would still never renounce my f2p status even if i had someone give me a free card :) I won a Smash tournament lol. git gud, git paid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just now, SatsumaFSoysoy said: I won a Smash tournament lol. git gud, git paid never heard of a tournament that pays out in prizes instead of a percent of the pot money :0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just now, GuiltyLove said: never heard of a tournament that pays out in prizes instead of a percent of the pot money :0 Well technically I got paid via Walmart gift card. Apparently handing out actual cash prizes isn't allowed at the college I go to or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: Well technically I got paid via Walmart gift card. Apparently handing out actual cash prizes isn't allowed at the college I go to or something. I went to Winter Game Fest at UC San Diego back in like 2010 (or whenever the smash tournament Pound 4 was) and the winner there got like a $400 gift card from something lol I didn't play though; I was only there to watch and visit high school friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just now, GuiltyLove said: I went to Winter Game Fest at UC San Diego back in like 2010 (or whenever the smash tournament Pound 4 was) and the winner there got like a $400 gift card from something lol I didn't play though; I was only there to watch and visit high school friends I didn't go to something that big lmao. I wouldn't drop 400 on this game anyway. ...Or would I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 minute ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: ...Or would I? If you do, I'm slapping your phone right out your hand before you confirm spend, then I'm taking the gift card myself and buying a Switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: I didn't go to something that big lmao. I wouldn't drop 400 on this game anyway. ...Or would I? Yeah, if you get a $400 gift card then the correct thing would be to send it to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Arcanite said: If you do, I'm slapping your phone right out your hand before you confirm spend, then I'm taking the gift card myself and buying a Switch Oh yeah, the Switch and whatnot. I'd want a weeb Switch instead though, so I wouldn't spend that gift card on that. Just now, GuiltyLove said: Yeah, if you get a $400 gift card then the correct thing would be to send it to me Meh, you'd just blow it on lame stuff like natto tbh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just now, SatsumaFSoysoy said: Meh, you'd just blow it on lame stuff like natto tbh! $400 of natto... I don't think even I would do that! $400 of kimchi though :0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Arcanite said: Weren't you the same guy who caved from being free to play a while ago? Yes, this game beat me, as you know. To get the result I got after spending money, it's only a 3% odds of failing that much, but it happened. Also, it's just twenty dollars. I'm an adult, so it's not a scandalous amount to have spent ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: Meh, you'd just blow it on lame stuff like natto tbh! The shade Just now, Gustavos said: Yes, this game beat me, as you know. To get the result I got after spending money, it's only a 3% odds of failing that much, but it happened. Also, it's just twenty dollars. I'm an adult, so it's not a scandalous amount to have spent ~ Yeah I remember That's the greatest thing that would disappoint me if I ever spent money. Getting nothing. Then I'd be like: "Well I could have went to a buffet instead" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Arcanite said: "Well I could have gone to a buffet instead" AHEM. Corrected you I am so tempted to spend money on this Lloyd banner for Hinoka though :0 but I'm not going to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, GuiltyLove said: AHEM. Corrected you Went, gone, its basically the same thing lololololol 5 minutes ago, GuiltyLove said: I am so tempted to spend money on this Lloyd banner for Hinoka though :0 but I'm not going to Heh you better not Otherwise, I might start hating Natto too In order for me to spend money on this game, I'd probably have to do it to save someone else's life. Otherwise, I am not spending a drip of a drip of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just now, Arcanite said: Went, gone, its basically the same thing lololololol not really LOL I have too much self-control to spend money on this game ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruruo Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Caved and 5*ed Xander . @Arcanite @MrSmokestack You guys here were so right, Siegfried really does make such a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, komasa said: Caved and 5*ed Xander . @Arcanite @MrSmokestack You guys here were so right, Siegfried really does make such a big difference. ^Witness the power @GuiltyLove^ Glad to know you actually did it! Hope you're having fun with your distant counter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 My Alfonse, Xander and Anna are all still 4*. I think I'll finally commit to one of them instead of 5*ing some skill fodder yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, komasa said: Caved and 5*ed Xander . @Arcanite @MrSmokestack You guys here were so right, Siegfried really does make such a big difference. Glad to see you have accepted best husbando Xander Imagine if Hector was available as a 3*-4*, like Eliwood. Would people be as eager to get him bumped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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