Anacybele Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: It doesn't apply to inherited weapons for some reason. Well, like I said, that doesn't make sense to me. It kind of makes that description pointless, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anacybele said: Well that doesn't make any sense with what the description says, and it sounds a bit OP to me since you could then have BS like what Quint showed. That’s one way to view it. Another is to view it as an actual choice. You can invest in a non-5⋆ without simply casting them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: That’s one way to view it. Another is to view it as an actual choice. You can invest in a non-5⋆ without simply casting them off. But then it makes those rarer 5 star units feel less valuable than they should be when you could just invest in a more common 4 star unit instead by inheriting one 5 star's weapon and then pulling more of that 4 star unit to merge and eventually get lv. 40+10 like with that Hana. This effectively makes a 4 star unit much better than any 5 star. Edited May 25, 2017 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Anacybele said: But then it makes those rarer 5 star units feel less valuable than they should be when you could just invest in a more common 4 star unit instead by inheriting one 5 star's weapon and then pulling more of that 4 star unit to merge and eventually get lv. 40+10 like with that Hana. This effectively makes a 4 star unit much better than any 5 star. This requires you to actually get those four-stars and to actually invest in them. Five-star donors don’t exactly grow in trees, you know. It also makes four-stars relatively viable among all the five-stars. Variety in viability is always welcome. Edited May 25, 2017 by Vaximillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Vaximillian said: This requires you to actually get those four-stars and to actually invest in them. Five-star donors don’t exactly grow in trees, you know. It's easier to get those 4 star units than it is the 5 star ones. All you need is one 5 star unit to inherit a weapon from. And this isn't a problem for whales especially. Edited May 25, 2017 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Anacybele said: It's easier to get those 4 star units than it is the 5 star ones. All you need is one 5 star unit to inherit a weapon from. And this isn't a problem for whales especially. It isn’t a problem for whales to get five-stars either, no idea what you’re arguing here. Five-stars still get you more points in the arena, so it is still more worthwile to invest in them long-term. Edited May 25, 2017 by Vaximillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, Anacybele said: Well that doesn't make any sense with what the description says, and it sounds a bit OP to me since you could then have BS like what Quint showed. EDIT: Too many people are quoting me at the same time again... A unit has to be 5-star rarity to unlock their own 5-star skills, but doesn't need to be 5-star rarity to unlock 5-star skills inherited from another unit, but said other unit needed to be 5-star rarity to pass it down. Think of it this way: You've already unlocked the skill once on the unit that you are using to teach the skill, so you don't need to unlock it a second time on the unit that is receiving the skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartozio Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Arcanite said: I never did Narcian on lunatic before since at the time I didn't have the units for it. But this time, I shall be prepared. Who wants to bet that Nino solos? I don't think using Nino and 3 dancers is called soloing though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Bartozio said: I don't think using Nino and 3 dancers is called soloing though... Eh same difference >;) I'm using 2 dancers if that's any comfort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Think of it this way: You've already unlocked the skill once on the unit that you are using to teach the skill, so you don't need to unlock it a second time on the unit that is receiving the skill. Well, I guess so. I'm still not sure I like the idea much, but alright. 13 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: It isn’t a problem for whales to get five-stars either, no idea what you’re arguing here. Five-stars still get you more points in the arena, so it is still more worthwile to invest in them long-term. They'll still get 4 star units more often, and then can get those +10 4 stars easier. But they'll probably have a few +10 5 stars too, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Anacybele said: They'll still get 4 star units more often, and then can get those +10 4 stars easier. But they'll probably have a few +10 5 stars too, so... There are a few main reasons why whales typically don't get +10 4-star characters: 4-star copies of a character are actually slightly less common than 5-star focus characters. This is due to the fact that the 4-star summoning pool is extremely diluted. Because of this, a whale can easily get a +4 or +5 focus character, which will have the same stats as a +10 4-star of the same character, but have more potential to get stronger. It's not possible to transfer merges when promoting, meaning every merge level gained on a 4-star character is not future-proofed, and the resources used on it are forever lost. Even if we get a lot of 4-star copies of a character, each one spent on merging as a 4-star is one that cannot be later promoted to a 5-star to merge as a 5-star. A 4-star character cannot have access to its own 5-star-exclusive skills because you cannot use skill inheritance to bypass the restriction. Any character that wants to use at least one of its 5-star-exclusive skills is forced to promote into a 5-star to have access to it, thus making it ineligible for gaining merge levels from 4-star duplicates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 12 hours ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: I just imagined Odin conjuring the Blarblade swords and swinging them in his hands instead of casting them as a spell. Well he could call that: 秘奥義: 斬鉄剣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Anacybele said: They'll still get 4 star units more often, and then can get those +10 4 stars easier. But they'll probably have a few +10 5 stars too, so... There are a few main reasons why whales typically don't get +10 4-star characters: 4-star copies of a character are actually slightly less common than 5-star focus characters. This is due to the fact that the 4-star summoning pool is extremely diluted. Because of this, a whale can easily get a +4 or +5 focus character, which will have the same stats as a +10 4-star of the same character, but have more potential to get stronger. It's not possible to transfer merges when promoting, meaning every merge level gained on a 4-star character is not future-proofed, and the resources used on it are forever lost. Even if we get a lot of 4-star copies of a character, each one spent on merging as a 4-star is one that cannot be later promoted to a 5-star to merge as a 5-star. A 4-star character cannot have access to its own 5-star-exclusive skills because you cannot use skill inheritance to bypass the restriction. Any character that wants to use at least one of its 5-star-exclusive skills is forced to promote into a 5-star to have access to it, thus making it ineligible for gaining merge levels from 4-star duplicates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, shadowofchaos said: Well he could call that: 秘奥義: 斬鉄剣 Can't get any weeber than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said: There are a few main reasons why whales typically don't get +10 4-star characters: 4-star copies of a character are actually slightly less common than 5-star focus characters. This is due to the fact that the 4-star summoning pool is extremely diluted. Because of this, a whale can easily get a +4 or +5 focus character, which will have the same stats as a +10 4-star of the same character, but have more potential to get stronger. It's not possible to transfer merges when promoting, meaning every merge level gained on a 4-star character is not future-proofed, and the resources used on it are forever lost. Even if we get a lot of 4-star copies of a character, each one spent on merging as a 4-star is one that cannot be later promoted to a 5-star to merge as a 5-star. A 4-star character cannot have access to its own 5-star-exclusive skills because you cannot use skill inheritance to bypass the restriction. Any character that wants to use at least one of its 5-star-exclusive skills is forced to promote into a 5-star to have access to it, thus making it ineligible for gaining merge levels from 4-star duplicates. Hmm. Okay then. Well, I guess you would know, being a whale yourself if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, SatsumaFSoysoy said: Can't get any weeber than that. He gets bonus points if he gets FF9 summon sound effects and the horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 32 minutes ago, shadowofchaos said: Well he could call that: 秘奥義: 斬鉄剣 I still remember when this shit is literally called Steel Bladed Sword Its even dumber when you realized what actually happened that caused it to be called Steel Bladed Sword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, JSND said: I still remember when this shit is literally called Steel Bladed Sword Its even dumber when you realized what actually happened that caused it to be called Steel Bladed Sword I thought they literally had the summon as "Iron Cutting Sword" in FF7. 4 hours ago, Arcanite said: I never did Narcian on lunatic before since at the time I didn't have the units for it. But this time, I shall be prepared. Who wants to bet that Nino solos? Fyi: Narshen didn't have a Lunatic map. It was only Normal and Hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 For my Navarre to be complete, he needs at least 525+750+200 SP (not accounting for a C-skill and 225 for an assist); he now has 548 SP and can get 594 more as level-up bonus when I 5⋆ him. Hmm, do I level up my other 4⋆ Navarre or even a fresh 3⋆ one so that I can decrease on grinding, or grin and bear it? Decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, shadowofchaos said: I thought they literally had the summon as "Iron Cutting Sword" in FF7. Fyi: Narshen didn't have a Lunatic map. It was only Normal and Hard. It was Steel Bladed in US!7 iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, shadowofchaos said: Fyi: Narshen didn't have a Lunatic map. It was only Normal and Hard. Well nitpick me to death why don't you 1 minute ago, Vaximillian said: For my Navarre to be complete, he needs at least 525+750+200 SP (not accounting for a C-skill and 225 for an assist); he now has 548 SP and can get 594 more as level-up bonus when I 5⋆ him. Hmm, do I level up my other 4⋆ Navarre or even a fresh 3⋆ one so that I can decrease on grinding, or grin and bear it? Decisions. You got a Karel? Or are you promoting him in the meantime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Arcanite said: You got a Karel? Or are you promoting him in the meantime? I will eventually get a Karel, won’t I? In the meantime I can store up some SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Arcanite said: I never did Narcian on lunatic before since at the time I didn't have the units for it. But this time, I shall be prepared. Who wants to bet that Nino solos? Same. I think Ursula surprisigly was the first GHB to get the Harder version of the unit (and then it was only my main account back then). i wonder if they'll make a Battling Narcian banner randomly to make up for the fact there was none the first time. not that i have orbs for it though Edited May 25, 2017 by mcsilas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eridras Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: For my Navarre to be complete, he needs at least 525+750+200 SP (not accounting for a C-skill and 225 for an assist); he now has 548 SP and can get 594 more as level-up bonus when I 5⋆ him. Hmm, do I level up my other 4⋆ Navarre or even a fresh 3⋆ one so that I can decrease on grinding, or grin and bear it? Decisions. If it helps, the last two times I leveled a 4*+5* together to SI merge, I also hit 500 Hero Merit by the end. Have the 4* inherit as much as possible so the 5* can have some extra SP leftover for new skills, if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: I will eventually get a Karel, won’t I? In the meantime I can store up some SP. Heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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