Selena4Lyfe Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 ... I'm about ready to give up. I just spent all 15 of my dueling swords today trying to nudge my way into the 19th tier of arena... Yet this is all I get for my apparently meager efforts. What the hell an I missing? Are you telling me I have to slap Aether on all for units to even get my foot in the door for tier 19, let alone tier 20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmender Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Back to tier 20. This week I got no defense wins though...I guess Fjorm boosted my score to a point where my team is too weak to work. Now then, next week I'll go fishing because it's the last time I'll get the chance to stay in tier 20 and I want to get there at least once. On AA, I managed to stay in the top 5k after what felt like forever. I was pretty close to top 3k but I knew I wouldn't make it with a score of 5,186. Last time I needed like 5,19x to get there so I'll try next week after giving Sheena her final merge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLNarshen Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Season 79 Results: Score: 3,672 Defense: 305 Rank: Tier 20 --> 20 We cut it a bit close this time score-wise, but thankfully I should only have to hold on for a few more weeks until the bigger whales are moved up to the new tier and some of the pressure is relieved. I don't think I'm quite at the point where I have to whip out Tiki, but we're getting there. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that I encountered Fjorm on probably 2/3, sometimes 3/3 of my matches every day of the week. Unless you're hoping an all-blue + red mage meme squad encounters your defense team, Fjorm is such dead-weight. All those teams I encountered were essentially going 3 vs 4. Got two defense wins with last week's bonus unit over the first reset, nothing after switching to Fjorm. Arena Assault: Rank: 3,078 Close. I used quite a few blessings to get this. Nowhere near optimal of course, but it's hard feeling like one is restricted to only two types each week. I encountered a familiar face in the rankings this time @Alexmender Spoiler Looks like you got the same score as me. That is one wild Eirika you have there. o_o Previous Season Results: Spoiler Season 12: 4,678 | 284 | 25,513 Season 13: 4,740 | 0 | 19,082 Season 14: 4,794 | 289 | 6,331 ----------------- 1.3.0 Update ----------------- Season 15: 4,820 | 576 | 15 --> 17 Season 16: 4,788 | 568 | 17 --> 16 Season 17: 4,719 | 568 | 16 --> 17 Season 18: 4,776 | 0 | 17 --> 18 Season 19: 4,780 | 0 | 18 --> 17 Season 20: 4,796 | 578 | 17 --> 18 Season 21: 4,806 | 594 | 18 --> 19 Season 22: 4,792 | 560 | 19 --> 18 Season 23: 4,836 | 288 | 18 --> 19 Season 24: 4,828 | 288 | 19 --> 20 Season 25: 4,838 | 582 | 20 --> 19 Season 26: 4,822 | 578 | 19 --> 20 Season 27: 4,808 | 580 | 20 -->19 Season 28: 4,792 | 580 | 19 --> 18 Season 29: 4,830 | 582 | 18 --> 19 Season 30: 4,822 | 582 | 19 --> 20 Season 31: 4,806 | 584 | 20 --> 19 Season 32: 4,820 | 584 | 19 --> 20 Season 33: 4,812 | 582 | 20 --> 19 Season 34: 4,836 | 582 | 19 --> 20 Season 35: 4,822 | 582 | 20 --> 19 Season 36: 4,838 | 578 | 19 --> 20 Season 37: 4,788 | 580 | 20 --> 19 Season 38: 4,854 | 580 | 19 --> 20 Season 39: 4,830 | 582 | 20 --> 19 Season 40: 4,908 | 0 | 19 --> 20 Season 41: 4,920 | 580 | 20 --> 19 Season 42: 4,922 | 580 | 19 --> 20 Season 43: 4,914 | 582 | 20 --> 19 Season 44: 4,966 | 582 | 19 --> 20 Season 45: 5,006 | 600 | 20 --> 20 Season 46: 5,016 | 600 | 20 --> 20 Season 47: 4,976 | 596 | 20 --> 19 Season 48: 4,972 | 596 | 19 --> 20 Season 49: 4,988 | 600 | 20 --> 19 Season 50: 4,984 | 598 | 19 --> 20 Season 51: 5012 | 604 | 20 --> 19 Season 52: 4,990 | 598 | 19 --> 20 Season 53: 4,848 | 600 | 20 --> 19 Season 54: 4,994 | 602 | 19 --> 20 Season 55: 5,002 | 600 | 20 --> 19 Season 56: 5,050 | 606 | 19 --> 20 Season 57: 5,016 | 608 | 20 --> 19 Season 58: 5,014 | 608 | 19 --> 20 Season 59: 5,052 | 608 | 20 --> 20 Season 60: 5,064 | 612 | 20 --> 20 Season 61: 5,066 | 618 | 20 --> 20 Season 62: 5,088 | 614 | 20 --> 20 Season 63: 5,100 | 610 | 20 --> 20 Season 64: 5,070 | 610 | 20 --> 20 Season 65: 5,068 | 618 | 20 --> 20 Season 66: 5,086 | 309 | 20 --> 20 ---------------- 2.5.0 Update ---------------- Season 67: 3,642 | 606 | 20 --> 20 Season 68: 3,648 | 614 | 20 --> 20 Season 69: 3,646 | 612 | 20 --> 20 Season 70: 3,668 | 604 | 20 --> 20 Season 71: 3,672 | 618 | 20 --> 20 Season 72: 3,654 | 312 | 20 --> 20 Season 73: 3,658 | 307 | 20 --> 20 Season 74: 3,652 | 616 | 20 --> 20 Season 75: 3,654 | 614 | 20 --> 20 Season 76: 3,654 | 0 | 20 --> 20 Season 77: 3,682 | 616 | 20 --> 20 Season 78: 3,674 | 614 | 20 -- > 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) @Selena4Lyfe This week and next week are going to be especially rough because it's Fjorm + Water Season. If you'd like a better chance of getting into tier 19, using Fjorm as your bonus unit (when she's available as one) might be your best bet. Like Zelgius, she has a personal special that's worth as much as Aether and all three of her other skills score pretty well. You can slap a double rally on her (or just a normal positioning skill), and she scores great. Since Lyn and Amelia have water blessings on them, I believe that helps you score better as well. In general, there is a LOT of inflation during Fjorm + Water season since everyone's using her. The competition is pretty intense. In general, if you're wondering about how much something will impact your score you can use this Arena Score Calculator by ArcticSilverFox . Sometimes higher scoring skills have a significant impact on your score. Sometimes they don't. You can experiement with team compositions to see what works best for you. ----- This was my first season getting to use four 5*+10 units since Mae was my bonus unit. I got some nice matches ranging from 730 to 744, and my team did pretty good. With those boosts, Mae is kind of terrifying. I almost wanted to give her a -blade tome, but since my team works with Drive buffs and not Hones/Fortifies, it didn't seem worth it. Ended the season with a new high score of 3694 which was more than enough to stay in tier 20. I almost got my perfect AA score the first time around but I messed up. Ended up doing my run the night before instead of settling for a 3 death run. SO glad I did. Wind/Water blessings are my strongest group, so I was able to add 26 extra points to my score just using my blessed heroes. I had a few more I could have used during the last match, but it was all dragons, and I was out of blessed dragon counters. I decided to run an unblessed dancer + Lucina who basically soloed the map. New high score of 5190 was just barely (like...rank 2930) enough to stay in the top 3k. Feathers aren't as high of a priority since I just finished my Lukas, and I don't have another project lined up quite yet, but it does feel good to make it back into the top 3k after weeks of just falling short. XD Edited August 6, 2018 by Rafiel's Aria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordFrigid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) Offense score of 3732 (T20) remains in T20, combining with a defense score of 640 for max rewards. Teams faced (streak): Spoiler Water week with Fjorm as the bonus unit was fun. Eirika destroyed some stuff with +12/12/12/12 buffs, which is always hilarious. Business as usual, really. One more week of this before the scoring changes...I'm interested to see who the bonus units will be for the start of that. Edited August 7, 2018 by LordFrigid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Selena4Lyfe said: What the hell an I missing? Are you telling me I have to slap Aether on all for units to even get my foot in the door for tier 19, let alone tier 20? Merges. You are using all 5* exclusives that you won't ever be able to +10 unless you are willing to spend. Take units like Nowi, Fae, Effie, Draug, Gwendy, Donnel, Soleil, Sheena, and start 5* +10 merge projects with them. At least 2 of your core should be units like this who have higher BST. Although good lower BST units like Caeda, Clair, Raven can work just fine too. And yes, eventually you will want Aether/Galeforce, dual rallys, and 240 SP skills on everyone. Had to do 2 runs of AA today because I had a brain fart on the last enemy of the 7th battle. 2nd run ended up being almost 20 points lower than the 1st one would have been but I was comfortably in the 300s anyway. My 50 point increase was the difference of over 1400 ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 @Selena4Lyfe Simply running a wind or water legendary hero would have got you in easily I think. Having an active blessing adds the points value of two merges to each relevant hero. On my second account, I easily got in with a core weaker than yours featuring the very low scoring trio of Klein, Nino+1 and Olivia 4*+8 but they were all water-blessed. Fjorm has couple merges admittedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selena4Lyfe Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Humanoid said: @Selena4Lyfe Simply running a wind or water legendary hero would have got you in easily I think. Having an active blessing adds the points value of two merges to each relevant hero. On my second account, I easily got in with a core weaker than yours featuring the very low scoring trio of Klein, Nino+1 and Olivia 4*+8 but they were all water-blessed. Fjorm has couple merges admittedly. Funny thing, I literally did that with a Legendary Lucina in place of the LA!Lyn right before this run. This team that I'm showcasing fell 12 points short of that team's high score which you see... Don't know if this helps, but I averaged 692 ratings with the teams I faced. Edited August 7, 2018 by Selena4Lyfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Selena4Lyfe said: Funny thing, I literally did that with a Legendary Lucina in place of the LA!Lyn right before this run. This team that I'm showcasing fell 12 points short of that team's high score which you see... Don't know if this helps, but I averaged 692 ratings with the teams I faced. Interesting, it should be scoring much better than that. I set up something approximating your team in the score calculator here and you can see it should end up with 696+, averaging 700 at least. Even with scores at the lower end of the range, T19 should be well within reach. Check out the skills used there and compare it to yours to make sure there's nothing weirdly low-scoring in your setup. EDIT: That said, 696*5 = 3484, so barely above what you got, and still a tight squeeze for Fjorm week. A team of LA Lyn, Zelgius, Amelia and Fjorm would score a minimum of 700 per battle as shown here. Edited August 7, 2018 by Humanoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Oops, wasn't paying attention and forgot to record things before turnover. Since 3714 was worth around #730 in T20 last night, I'm going to guess it stayed sub-1000 by the end of the season. 5232 in AA was worth #1222. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selena4Lyfe Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Rafiel's Aria said: @Selena4Lyfe This week and next week are going to be especially rough because it's Fjorm + Water Season. If you'd like a better chance of getting into tier 19, using Fjorm as your bonus unit (when she's available as one) might be your best bet. Like Zelgius, she has a personal special that's worth as much as Aether and all three of her other skills score pretty well. You can slap a double rally on her (or just a normal positioning skill), and she scores great. Since Lyn and Amelia have water blessings on them, I believe that helps you score better as well. In general, there is a LOT of inflation during Fjorm + Water season since everyone's using her. The competition is pretty intense. ... Should I give you the paddle to slap me in the face with, then? I just foddered off my Fjorm for her Atk/Def Bond in my - then - desperate bid to beat the latest LGHB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Selena4Lyfe said: ... Should I give you the paddle to slap me in the face with, then? I just foddered off my Fjorm for her Atk/Def Bond in my - then - desperate bid to beat the latest LGHB... That might be something that comes back to bite you in the butt since we have been given Fjorm related quests before. ...Actually, we have Fjorm related Takumi GHB quests at the moment, so I hope you had the chance to do those. Might want to be careful about your foddering in the future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selena4Lyfe Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rafiel's Aria said: That might be something that comes back to bite you in the butt since we have been given Fjorm related quests before. ...Actually, we have Fjorm related Takumi GHB quests at the moment, so I hope you had the chance to do those. Might want to be careful about your foddering in the future... I didn't, and your words couldn't ring more true right now... The real kick in the teeth is that the foddering didn't even factor into the eventual team/approach used to brat that GHB. Edited August 7, 2018 by Selena4Lyfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) Wow, I got my first defense win after 15 minutes? That was fast. /Edit: Arena offense wasn't fast though. Had to burn a lot of crests, because I kept doing stupid errors on the fifth match. Hopefully 3,584 will be enough for Tier 20 once again. I read there was another boost of score inflation in that range? Edited August 7, 2018 by mampfoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Selena4Lyfe said: I didn't, and your words couldn't ring more true right now... The real kick in the teeth is that the foddering didn't even factor into the eventual team/approach used to brat that GHB. RIP. Maybe someday you'll be able to pull another Fjorm? Wow...this Arena season is already going really well. Got a defense win, so I'm not worried about that. I had to fish for my score a little bit in Arena, but I managed to get 3692 without having to start my streak over. And I got my AA run finished on the first try...for a brand new high score of 5196. That should be another week staying in the top 3k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Gave all members of my AA starter team Rally Def/Res due an overdose of Rodericks, but winning a match without Reposition was really difficult. In the end I got a new personal highscore (5,125) also this week, but top 5k will remain out of reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usana Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 At all those mentioning the score calculator. Is it correct/up to date? It says my current team should be getting 702-716 and all I see is 704-706 matches. Technically in the range, but it seems like everytime I use that calculator it shows upper ranges that I never actually see in game. I only ever see the bottom half of the range. Bad luck I suppose, but I figured I would ask because I seem to recall reading before that arena calcs can sometimes not be 100% exact and are merely 'close'. If memory serves 710 matches are plenty to climb up into 20. But 704 has failed me before if I recall right. I could push the range a bit higher by switching Caeda to Wind Blessing and running dual rallies on her and Clair instead of positionals, but I hate playing without any positionals and Lyn and Mae already are running Dual Rallies. So it would be nice to see some 710+ matches to ensure I climb back up. It isn't like Caeda and Clair have much issues with armors or dragons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Usana said: At all those mentioning the score calculator. Is it correct/up to date? It says my current team should be getting 702-716 and all I see is 704-706 matches. Technically in the range, but it seems like everytime I use that calculator it shows upper ranges that I never actually see in game. I only ever see the bottom half of the range. Bad luck I suppose, but I figured I would ask because I seem to recall reading before that arena calcs can sometimes not be 100% exact and are merely 'close'. If memory serves 710 matches are plenty to climb up into 20. But 704 has failed me before if I recall right. I could push the range a bit higher by switching Caeda to Wind Blessing and running dual rallies on her and Clair instead of positionals, but I hate playing without any positionals and Lyn and Mae already are running Dual Rallies. So it would be nice to see some 710+ matches to ensure I climb back up. It isn't like Caeda and Clair have much issues with armors or dragons. 5 hours ago, mampfoid said: Wow, I got my first defense win after 15 minutes? That was fast. /Edit: Arena offense wasn't fast though. Had to burn a lot of crests, because I kept doing stupid errors on the fifth match. Hopefully 3,584 will be enough for Tier 20 once again. I read there was another boost of score inflation in that range? 3588 went up yesterday, and while the last time I checked my rank it was some 10 hours before arena close, it was safe enough, being rank 11k-ish out of 13k-ish. 710 is no longer enough though, or at least it hasn't in the past few weeks. Two weeks ago, I got 3660 (i.e. 712 average) and got demoted to T18. Some of that is Hector being a bonus unit of course. Last week was Fjorm-powered, and my initial score of 3574 was basically right on the threshold on Sunday, and so I suspect it wouldn't have been enough. All up, guessing the cutoff this past week was high 3570s. Hard to get a good estimate because the guy who does the threshold data collection on the subreddit has been busy lately. This upcoming week is likely to be lower at any rate, because while Fjorm is still a bonus unit, it's no longer water season. Calculator seems fine to me, I was seeing as low as 708 and as high as 722, which is to say, the entire possible range during the course of my fishing expeditions. Edited August 7, 2018 by Humanoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Humanoid said: 3588 went up yesterday, and while the last time I checked my rank it was some 10 hours before arena close, it was safe enough, being rank 11k-ish out of 13k-ish. Ok, thanks. I'm curious how the new tier 21 will affect tier 19/20 ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usana Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 @Humanoid Oh boy! At this rate I am going to become an 18.5'er instead of a 19.5'er! Particularly if the game is insistent on only giving me matches from the bottom of my range! Runs calculations - Looks like the best possible I can get with the team is 708-722. More likely to hit the 706-720 since breaking that would require a bit of investing to occur, true giving both Caeda and Clair Galeforce would be too bad since that is likely to occur eventually anyways, but my feather count is kinda low right now. So if the game continues to insist on bottom feeding me, means I'll end up seeing mostly 708-710 without heavy fishing. And that means I may have to break out Legendary Ephraim and Eirika +10 to climb back up in to 20. *Sigh* more and more often that is the only way to climb up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Usana said: At all those mentioning the score calculator. Is it correct/up to date? It says my current team should be getting 702-716 and all I see is 704-706 matches. Technically in the range, but it seems like everytime I use that calculator it shows upper ranges that I never actually see in game. I only ever see the bottom half of the range. Bad luck I suppose, but I figured I would ask because I seem to recall reading before that arena calcs can sometimes not be 100% exact and are merely 'close'. There might not be any teams in the upper half that meet the matchmaking criteria. Matchmaking is done by matching your highest-scoring unit to the opponent's highest-scoring unit, then the average of the remaining three to the average of the remaining three. I think the math ends up being that the wider the gap between your highest and lowest unit, the less likely you are to find opponents on the high end of your range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmender Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Ugh...I'll have to fish even harder. I got nothing but matches on the lower side of my score range so I ended with a score of 3,666 which is obviously not enough to stay in tier 20. I hope it doesn't cost me too much to get the 740 matches. AA was pretty easy this week (although this season screws with me hard so I lost 4 points thanks to the first match). I wonder where I'll end with a score of 5,144. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usana Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 @Ice Dragon Thanks for the info! That may actually explain a lot. Whenever I run the calculator there is usually a decent unit gap. Particularly if I am using a Legendary other than Ephraim. However, this time it doesn't appear too bad. Clair and Mae(now that I switched her seal to a high point one) are both at 712. Caeda is at 708(could be 716 if I change her over to wind Blessing). The big difference is Legendary Lyn who comes in at a measly 692. 20 gap doesn't seem too bad to me, but that is cause I often am reliant on Eirika as my only +10 to pull everyone else up. That gap penalty is good to know, but I get the feeling I am going to learn to hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmender Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Datamined bonus heroes: Spoiler Welp. Alfonse it is for the new arena. Even if I get one of the dancers they score so bad that there's no reason to use them. BEWARE THE EFFIES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korath88 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Damn that's a low scoring lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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