Rezzy Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It looks like Olwen is able to learn Poison Strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucıůs Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Arcanite said: So no poison strike Sheenas? Rip in pepperonis to my ultimate death plan 8 minutes ago, Rezzy said: Is Poison Strike Dagger only? 6 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: So it seems passive skill restrictions are tighter than was previously thought. I don't have access to any Poison strike units to check for inheritance at the moment, but it would be a good idea to check for any other skills that are not only exclusive to unit type but also to weapon type. I'd appreciate any input you guys can give on this. Fortunately, poison strike is not restricted to other units but only to clerics, which is strange. But yeah your ultimate death plan has not been foiled @Arcanite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Lucıůs said: But yeah your ultimate death plan has not been foiled @Arcanite Heh heh heh. Every waking minute my hands are on this game it continues to get more and more "rated M". It's gonna get nasty . . . . . heh heh heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 The fact that a healer can't inherit certain skills is strange though. What about another AOE like Savage Blow? Though to be fair most Assists are also staff-exclusive. It makes you wonder how versatile they could be if their damage wasn't halved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, MrSmokestack said: The fact that a healer can't inherit certain skills is strange though. What about another AOE like Savage Blow? Though to be fair most Assists are also staff-exclusive. It makes you wonder how versatile they could be if their damage wasn't halved... I'd want to focus more on limited close/distant counter, if I was a developer. Giving Healers some extra offensive utility could actually make them viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korath88 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: The fact that a healer can't inherit certain skills is strange though. What about another AOE like Savage Blow? Though to be fair most Assists are also staff-exclusive. It makes you wonder how versatile they could be if their damage wasn't halved... Just tested, healers can get savage blow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Rezzy said: I'd want to focus more on limited close/distant counter, if I was a developer. Giving Healers some extra offensive utility could actually make them viable. Hmm. The more I see Close / Distant Counter the more I wonder why IS didn't just put them in Takumi and Hector's weapons, like they did with Ryoma. In fact, every other unit, including unreleased ones, with a counter skill has it innate in their weapon rather than their kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucıůs Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Arcanite said: Heh heh heh. Every waking minute my hands are on this game it continues to get more and more "rated M". It's gonna get nasty . . . . . heh heh heh I know not what is going on with your plans and since I did not understand what you said all I can say is Spoiler 7 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: The fact that a healer can't inherit certain skills is strange though. What about another AOE like Savage Blow? Though to be fair most Assists are also staff-exclusive. It makes you wonder how versatile they could be if their damage wasn't halved... Healers can learn Savage Blow, which is another esoteric part of the game.. It's kind of upsetting how they nerfed stave users in this game so badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Lucıůs said: Healers can learn Savage Blow, which is another esoteric part of the game.. It's kind of upsetting how they nerfed stave users in this game so badly. Take this with a grain of salt, but I think that IS deliberately kept healers from inheriting poison strike to prevent cancer strats that can put down 40+ damage on a single unit. That kind of strat would trivialize the campaign now that I think about it. Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lushen Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Has anyone checked if triangle adept works with Blárraven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lushen said: Has anyone checked if triangle adept works with Blárraven? It **should** work, though I can't confirm it for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucıůs Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Take this with a grain of salt, but I think that IS deliberately kept healers from inheriting poison strike to prevent cancer strats that can put down 40+ damage on a single unit. That kind of strat would trivialize the campaign now that I think about it. Hehe. Yes I understand, and it is the painful truth as of now. Inflicting 17 damage after combat that ignores def and res sure can be overpowered. But I just wish they would provide flexibility on the usage of healers because their only role in this game is to tend to their wounded allies... and that's it. I hope they would give some skills that will somehow up their gameplay and give them options to be unique (i.e, staves that are effective against Blue tome users, etc.) This way, they have varying roles while not being considered as being 'op'. I believe the same concept should apply to dagger users or colorless units in general as well. But I'm sure they will make some modifications in the future, ot is too early to judge the game at this moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lushen Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Take this with a grain of salt, but I think that IS deliberately kept healers from inheriting poison strike to prevent cancer strats that can put down 40+ damage on a single unit. That kind of strat would trivialize the campaign now that I think about it. Hehe. Jaffar can get in a similar position though if he inherits poison strike. I think its more of the fact that IS just hates healers in FE:H :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Lucıůs said: Healers need a buff. Please answer our prayers IS. I concur. At least with that new event with **permadeath** in roughly a month from now they will see a lot more use, which is nice. Poison Strike does 10 damage, not Savage Blow's 7. With the Pain Staff, that becomes 20. Have a Dancer refresh the healer and the damage becomes 40, with 14 dealt to the target's allies if you also have Savage Blow. Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lushen Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, MrSmokestack said: Poison Strike does 10 damage, not Savage Blow's 7. With the Pain Staff, that becomes 20. Have a Dancer refresh the healer and the damage becomes 40, with 14 dealt to the target's allies if you also have Savage Blow. Yikes. True, but in that scenario you are using 3 people to kill one unit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiro Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 eldigan with pass skill or any calvary that is? as a defense unit with death blow? any suggest on a c skill and a special skill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shiro said: eldigan with pass skill or any calvary that is? as a defense unit with death blow? any suggest on a c skill and a special skill? But muh Fury. Eldigan's kit is lacking, but Fury is the big reason his stats are so high, so it has to stay. For the B skill, Renewal limits the damage he takes from Fury and extends his durability with that 34 Defense. C Skill is a bit up in the air, but Threaten Defense or Attack can work in the slot because he rarely doubles and will either hit harder with his Prf or have an effective 45 / 41 / 24 Defenses, which is very tough to crack outside of a mage. His special skill most definitely wants replacing, though. Moonbow might be his best option, as Mystletainn lowers the cooldown to 1, leaving it ready after every other attack. Edited March 17, 2017 by MrSmokestack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Hmm. The more I see Close / Distant Counter the more I wonder why IS didn't just put them in Takumi and Hector's weapons, like they did with Ryoma. In fact, every other unit, including unreleased ones, with a counter skill has it innate in their weapon rather than their kit. I don't know, but since only 5* units have access to the skills, only the biggest whales can cheese out on the strategy, which seems like terrible design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiro Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: But muh Fury. Eldigan's kit is lacking, but Fury is the big reason his stats are so high, so it has to stay. For the B skill, Renewal limits the damage he takes from Fury and extends his durability with that 37 Defense. C Skill is a bit up in the air, but Threaten Defense or Attack can work in the slot because he rarely doubles and will either hit harder with his Prf or have an effective 45 / 41 / 24 Defenses, which is very tough to crack outside of a mage. His special skill most definitely wants replacing, though. Moonbow might be his best option, as Mystletainn lowers the cooldown to 1, leaving it ready after every other attack. i want to put him in a defense arena team where he suicides and catches enemy off gaurd to assassinate for eg hector or julia with is pass skill. death blow gives him plus 6 atk and 3 more def and res isnt going to affect much as his durability woulld be worse with fury if he ai can get him to backline to eliminate a mage or a ranged unit he can still tank most physical sword users edit: as for his special i think ageis would work well to lessen damage taken by 50% on a 2 hit cd Edited March 17, 2017 by Shiro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Shiro said: i want to put him in a defense arena team where he suicides and catches enemy off gaurd to assassinate for eg hector or julia with is pass skill. death blow gives him plus 6 atk and 3 more def and res isnt going to affect much as his durability woulld be worse with fury if he ai can get him to backline to eliminate a mage or a ranged unit he can still tank most physical sword users Fury only really takes its toll on Eldigan if he's getting attacked by 3+ enemies at once. If the other player on offense attacking your Eldigan on defense is doing this, it's likely his units are going to die to something other than Eldigan, as it's terribly inefficient. Also, I would not trust the AI with being intelligent in using player-phase skills you give it, like Death Blow. Skills that don't require much nuance on the part of the computer, like Pass as you mentioned, would be better on a defense team. Lastly, having a dancer significantly increases Eldigan's effective range, which can catch people off guard and cause them to lose a unit because they misjudged the distance. I can't really say much else about building the Eldigan you would want though without knowing what the rest of your team for him would look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiro Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Fury only really takes its toll on Eldigan if he's getting attacked by 3+ enemies at once. If the other player on offense attacking your Eldigan on defense is doing this, it's likely his units are going to die to something other than Eldigan, as it's terribly inefficient. Also, I would not trust the AI with being intelligent in using player-phase skills you give it, like Death Blow. Skills that don't require much nuance on the part of the computer, like Pass as you mentioned, would be better on a defense team. Lastly, having a dancer significantly increases Eldigan's effective range, which can catch people off guard and cause them to lose a unit because they misjudged the distance. I can't really say much else about building the Eldigan you would want though without knowing what the rest of your team for him would look like. wellso far i have a +7 catria with drag back savage blow and life or death 2 with luna she is a plus speed vaiant with -def. she will def be on my roster, i also have a sanaki with the rauorblade a linde with new moon and bow breaker and a hector with swap and threaten atk. i want to swap out my hector with eldigan and maybe swap out either linde or sanaki for one of my dancers and knowing the ai they always rush in and attack the unit they do most dmg to which is why i want pass on eldigan and with death blow he could finish most mages off seeing how low their def is. ofc this wont work on many teams but my def wins should stack up more. i have ninian +2 or azura and my snakai is +2 linde +1 eldigan +3 and hector non Edited March 17, 2017 by Shiro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eselred Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) Very useful thread; thanks for this. Glad it was stickied, but shouldn't it be renamed to more of a General Skill Inheritance FAQ? Let's say you have a unit you want to give Vantage 3. Does that unit have to inherit all 3 levels of Vantage so they can work their way up to level 3? Or will they be able to learn level 3 right away once they inherit only Vantage 3, freeing them up to inherit two other skills? Edited March 17, 2017 by Eselred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 They have to inherit all three levels. It's a huge pain in the ass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eselred Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Refa said: They have to inherit all three levels. That's what I thought but I just wanted to verify. Skill inheritance is even less interesting to me now considering how grindy and hostile to F2P it is. I'll just get Bow Breaker on Robin once I get a Setsuna then just wait for them to hopefully refine the feature in a future patch. Edited March 17, 2017 by Eselred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 54 minutes ago, Eselred said: Very useful thread; thanks for this. Glad it was stickied, but shouldn't it be renamed to more of a General Skill Inheritance FAQ? Let's say you have a unit you want to give Vantage 3. Does that unit have to inherit all 3 levels of Vantage so they can work their way up to level 3? Or will they be able to learn level 3 right away once they inherit only Vantage 3, freeing them up to inherit two other skills? Hmm, a name change might in order then. I'll add this question as an additional tip on the OP, but I'm on mobile rn so it will be a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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