E3 Gameplay

[YotsuMaboroshi]

It doesn't actually mean Darius is a traitor (yet).  It could be a Coliseum map (HW adventure maps had some weird choices for allied and enemy armies sometimes), a training exercise, or betrayal.  All of the dialog seemed to be generic, also, with no actual event dialog, which seems like it points towards a Coliseum map.

So there's not actually much we can determine about overall story (including whether or not Darius is a traitor).

[The DanMan]

2 minutes ago, YotsuMaboroshi said:

It doesn't actually mean Darius is a traitor (yet).  It could be a Coliseum map (HW adventure maps had some weird choices for allied and enemy armies sometimes), a training exercise, or betrayal.  All of the dialog seemed to be generic, also, with no actual event dialog, which seems like it points towards a Coliseum map.

So there's not actually much we can determine about overall story (including whether or not Darius is a traitor).

Considering you have the twins fighting each other, the E3 demo map is almost certainly just a demo map cobbled together for the event rather than a legit slice of the game. Either way, the fact that it's listed  in-game on top of the plot synopsis putting suspicion on Darius feels like it's pretty open-and-shut.

[Arthur97]

Or perhaps Darius himself is betrayed. 

[Anacybele]

8 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

Or perhaps Darius himself is betrayed. 

This would actually be more interesting, imo. We don't see such a scenario much.

[YotsuMaboroshi]

 

36 minutes ago, The DanMan said:

Considering you have the twins fighting each other, the E3 demo map is almost certainly just a demo map cobbled together for the event rather than a legit slice of the game. Either way, the fact that it's listed  in-game on top of the plot synopsis putting suspicion on Darius feels like it's pretty open-and-shut.

The actual plot synopsis on the website doesn't mention Darius at all.  We only know he was visiting Aytolis at the time of the attack and was asked to evacuate the twins by Yuana from the Famitsu article.

Darius is at this point a mix of Lyon (best friend of the protagonists, prince from a neighboring kingdom), Seth (assists the protagonists with escaping the invasion) and Ephraim(taught the protagonists).  There isn't enough information to say that Gristonne is responsible for the attacks at this time.  Not every neighboring kingdom in Fire Emblem ends up at war with the protagonist's kingdom, and Gristonne could very well end up being more like Frelia than Grado.

Claiming it's a demo map doesn't help your case at all, either.  All armies in the HW could end up either enemies or allies, so they could have just chosen to use Gristonne and Aytolis since they were already more or less known, to avoid giving any additional spoilers about the crazy dragon apparently responsible for the monsters.

Edit:  Also, Darius is wearing blue and brown.  Blue is one of the ally colors in Fire Emblem, so obviously Darius is trustworthy.  This is a joke, don't take it seriously.

Edited June 17, 2017 by YotsuMaboroshi

[Anomalocaris]

31 minutes ago, YotsuMaboroshi said:

Edit:  Also, Darius is wearing blue and brown.  Blue is one of the ally colors in Fire Emblem, so obviously Darius is trustworthy.  This is a joke, don't take it seriously.

Once he defects to the enemy, they paint his uniform red.

They stopped using the lead-based stuff a couple years back, that caused problems.

[Arthur97]

2 minutes ago, Anomalocaris said:

Once he defects to the enemy, they paint his uniform red.

They stopped using the lead-based stuff a couple years back, that caused problems.

That may explain some of the villain's behaviors. 

[Deva Ashera]

On 6/14/2017 at 1:53 PM, Anacybele said:

But not the video itself. However, I just realized that the video is in the OP, so I'll just go there. My mistake on that.

EDIT: I didn't see any sword throwing. It also didn't even look quite the same, more like the mercenary crit from GBA (which Ike's Aether animation is based on though) sans sword throwing, and wasn't a special attack. Ike would surely get Aether as his special attack, with the actual animation of him throwing his sword up high, catching it, flipping a few times, coming down with a strike, and then backflipping into a second strike (which Chrom also didn't do here).

However, if Koei does something dumb like regulate Ike only to a costume for Chrom or something via Amiibo or something else, I'm canceling my preorder. Because it would deconfirm Ike himself as playable in the worst of ways to me. It's one thing for Ike to just be excluded, and for the game to be generally only Archanea, Ylisse, and Fates characters, but this would be even worse. I hate Chrom and would never play as him dressed in Ike's clothes. I don't think other Ike fans would either. We want Ike himself, not some wannabe.

What if it was an alt more like was done in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U where Ike is a costume swap for Chrom but with his own unique voice and such? It's ironically what I wanted to see in Smash (Chrom as an alt for Ike).

Granted, I'd also prefer Ike as his own character, he has potential for a nice moveset.

[Anacybele]

4 minutes ago, Deva Ashera said:

What if it was an alt more like was done in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U where Ike is a costume swap for Chrom but with his own unique voice and such? It's ironically what I wanted to see in Smash (Chrom as an alt for Ike).

Granted, I'd also prefer Ike as his own character, he has potential for a nice moveset.

I've said my stance on that before, and my answer is NO. If IS thinks that Chrom in Ike's clothes would satisfy the MANY Ike fans out there, they're idiots. We like Ike because he's Ike, not for what he wears. I'm pretty sure a lot of us would much rather have Ike himself, not simply his outfit on someone else. And not all of us like Chrom either. I dislike him a lot, in fact. Ike being reduced to a costume for Chrom or anyone for that matter would just feel like IS is giving the middle finger to a LOT of people.

Also, Ike did get a Chrom alt in Smash. He has a palette swap that matches Chrom's colors.

Edited June 17, 2017 by Anacybele

[Deva Ashera]

11 hours ago, Anacybele said:

I've said my stance on that before, and my answer is NO. If IS thinks that Chrom in Ike's clothes would satisfy the MANY Ike fans out there, they're idiots. We like Ike because he's Ike, not for what he wears. I'm pretty sure a lot of us would much rather have Ike himself, not simply his outfit on someone else. And not all of us like Chrom either. I dislike him a lot, in fact. Ike being reduced to a costume for Chrom or anyone for that matter would just feel like IS is giving the middle finger to a LOT of people.

Also, Ike did get a Chrom alt in Smash. He has a palette swap that matches Chrom's colors.

That's not how I meant it. I didn't mean Chrom in Ike's clothes, I meant a character-alt more akin to how the Koopalings were alts for Bowser Jr. and Alph was an alt for Olimar in Smash Bros. The way I meant it Ike would have his own name, qoutes, voice, etc but just use the same Moveset as Chrom. I meant that for Smash as well with half of Ike's alts being Chrom. I'd actually accept Lucina as a character-alt swap for Marth in FE Warriors akin to how she was originally in Smash.

Granted, like I said, I'd prefer Ike get his own slot, but I'd also rather he be playable in some form then not at all. Though I doubt we won't get Ike as at least DLC.

Edited June 17, 2017 by Deva Ashera

[Anacybele]

3 hours ago, Deva Ashera said:

That's not how I meant it. I didn't mean Chrom in Ike's clothes, I meant a character-alt more akin to how the Koopalings were alts for Bowser Jr. and Alph was an alt for Olimar in Smash Bros. The way I meant it Ike would have his own name, qoutes, voice, etc but just use the same Moveset as Chrom. I meant that for Smash as well with half of Ike's alts being Chrom. I'd actually accept Lucina as a character-alt swap for Marth in FE Warriors akin to how she was originally in Smash.

Granted, like I said, I'd prefer Ike get his own slot, but I'd also rather he be playable in some form then not at all. Though I doubt we won't get Ike as at least DLC.

Ohhh. Yeah, I suppose it would be acceptable in that case, but I would rather Ike got his own moveset since he and Chrom don't really fight the same way. Smash Bros was a bit of a different case because it's a game about numerous Nintendo franchises and already had a lot of swords, plus Ike was there first, so Chrom would've felt more redundant. Lucina wasn't originally supposed to get her own slot for the same reason. FE Warriors is just FE characters and given what Chrom looks like in the game at present, Ike can easily have his own moveset that's even inspired by Smash. Chrom in Warriors doesn't really look that similar to Smash Ike at all.

And yeah, I'm at least hoping Ike will be DLC. I'll throw plenty money at that!

[shadowofchaos]

On 6/15/2017 at 6:12 PM, Arthur97 said:

More of an observation. A lot of people who really harp on Awakening seem to like Tellius the most. Maybe they think it should have been the turning point of the series. Who knows?

Just as an aside here:
Radiant Dawn was particularly the most hated for plot reasons until Awakening came into the picture.

And then Fates happened.

But regardless of this, I'm liking how the game looks.

A friend was able to play the demo, and I really pretty much only listen to them at this point.

Considering they're a lot less of a killjoy, and most likely have more experience with gameplay than any person harping on about character representation at this point in time.

Edited June 17, 2017 by shadowofchaos

[Arthur97]

2 minutes ago, shadowofchaos said:

Just as an aside here:
Radiant Dawn was particularly the most hated for plot reasons until Awakening came into the picture.

And then Fates happened.

But regardless of this, I'm liking how the game looks.

A friend was able to play the demo, and I really pretty much only listen to them at this point.

Considering they're a lot less of a killjoy, and had more experience with gameplay than any person harping on about character representation at this point in time.

Come to think of it I really don't like Fates, but for...other reasons as well. I won't go into those.

I imagine the gameplay will be really similar to HW which is fine by me. 

[Tolvir]

Anyone think we will get a demo before release? Not sure what Koei's pattern is with releasing any. I think it might do some good getting the attention of people, especially those who are on the fence. Maybe getting to experience the gameplay itself before making a decision can help make up some peoples' minds.

Edited June 17, 2017 by Tolvir

[Arthur97]

33 minutes ago, Tolvir said:

Anyone think we will get a demo before release? Not sure what Koei's pattern is with releasing any. I think it might do some good getting the attention of people, especially those who are on the fence. Maybe getting to experience the gameplay itself before making a decision can help make up some peoples' minds.

I don't think HW got one so I'm going to say no.

[Thany]

1 hour ago, Arthur97 said:

I don't think HW got one so I'm going to say no.

I think it got a demo in europe on the 3ds? its really specific and odd... but a possibility of a demo can happen.

[Anacybele]

E3 had a demo, why can't we eventually have it? Sure, it only has the characters we saw in E3, but it's still something.

[Thany]

1 hour ago, Anacybele said:

E3 had a demo, why can't we eventually have it? Sure, it only has the characters we saw in E3, but it's still something.

I imagine E3 demos and console demos are a bit different to each other.

E3 demos usually have a timer with a whole of one game to play in, while consol demos have a small part of a game to play in, but no time limit.

They may need to make adjustments to the map before making it a demo. like having other users there so you can use the weapon triangle.

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, Thany said:

I imagine E3 demos and console demos are a bit different to each other.

E3 demos usually have a timer with a whole of one game to play in, while consol demos have a small part of a game to play in, but no time limit.

They may need to make adjustments to the map before making it a demo. like having other users there so you can use the weapon triangle.

Yeah, I suppose. I hope we do get a demo though.

[Falcom]

6 hours ago, Arthur97 said:

I imagine the gameplay will be really similar to HW which is fine by me. 

It does look to be the case. But the fact that you can switch characters mid-battle is cool (I don't believe this was a thing in HW, which is why I kinda got bored of it). I haven't seem much gameplay from Rowan or Lianna but the other characters look fun to play as.

Chrom is surprisingly the character that looks like the most fun for me. Corrin's moveset is pretty cool as well. Xander is alright. Marth's moveset is not what I expected (but still alright). And Ryoma is eh. That's not to say that any of them are bad though. The gameplay looks promising to me so far. Can't wait to see movesets for other characters.

However, it's kinda annoying how the mission start continues to pop up and disrupts the battle, prompting you to press a button to dismiss it. I rather have it appear while the gameplay is still going (I can let the level up slide though). Also, I'm gonna assume that Anna is talking constantly throughout battles.

I don't know why, but I was hoping that Chrom or Marth could defeat Corrin in one blow because of the Falchion.

[Arthur97]

2 minutes ago, Falcom said:

It does look to be the case. But the fact that you can switch characters mid-battle is cool (I don't believe this was a thing in HW, which is why I kinda got bored of it). I haven't seem much gameplay from Rowan or Lianna but the other characters look fun to play as.

Chrom is surprisingly the character that looks like the most fun for me. Corrin's moveset is pretty cool as well. Xander is alright. Marth's moveset is not what I expected (but still alright). And Ryoma is eh. That's not to say that any of them are bad though. The gameplay looks promising to me so far. Can't wait to see movesets for other characters.

However, it's kinda annoying how the mission start continues to pop up and disrupts the battle, prompting you to press a button to dismiss it. I rather have it appear while the gameplay is still going (I can let the level up slide though). Also, I'm gonna assume that Anna is talking constantly throughout battles.

I don't know why, but I was hoping that Chrom or Marth could defeat Corrin in one blow because of the Falchion.

Switching is nice. Another thing I like is the ability to give commands. I remember that I would sometimes run through maps and see so many soldiers in HW just standing around doing nothing. With a little direction, they might actually be useful.

[HK Motendra]

39 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

Switching is nice. Another thing I like is the ability to give commands. I remember that I would sometimes run through maps and see so many soldiers in HW just standing around doing nothing. With a little direction, they might actually be useful.

Giving commands to officers was a thing in the Warriors Empires series, i believe, which includes providing defense and escort to other officers. A welcome addition, indeed, though this does bode the question of how many units one can switch into in battle

[Ertrick36]

On 6/16/2017 at 7:50 PM, Anomalocaris said:

Once he defects to the enemy, they paint his uniform red.

They stopped using the lead-based stuff a couple years back, that caused problems.

Does this mean the villains will stop being absolutely mental for no good reason from this point on?

39 minutes ago, Falcom said:

It does look to be the case. But the fact that you can switch characters mid-battle is cool (I don't believe this was a thing in HW, which is why I kinda got bored of it). I haven't seem much gameplay from Rowan or Lianna but the other characters look fun to play as.

The mechanic existed in HW Legends, which was the 3DS version.  According to interviews, that implementation was what gave the devs the idea to do a Warriors x FE crossover.

I think I'd probably prefer the FE approach to it over the Zelda one.  People say the game looks similar to HW, and maybe that's true, but there are some little things that are different.  Like, it doesn't seem like you're gonna be hunting for skulltulas, nabbing treasures from keeps, or using gimmicky items during battle.  And while that stuff works in Zelda and feels rewarding, here it just interrupts what I feel is supposed to be the proper flow of these games.  FE just seems to work better here.  I dunno.

I get the feeling that it's gonna be more strategy oriented.

57 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

Another thing I like is the ability to give commands. I remember that I would sometimes run through maps and see so many soldiers in HW just standing around doing nothing. With a little direction, they might actually be useful.

Yeah, I like that, too.  I don't particularly enjoy games where my allies feel entirely useless.  I know that keeps send raid captains to cause problems for enemy keeps, but it hardly felt like the allies ever made too much of a dent outside of scripted story events.  At the very least I'll feel like I have better control over how things play out, even if ally captains still might suck.

5 hours ago, Tolvir said:

Anyone think we will get a demo before release? Not sure what Koei's pattern is with releasing any. I think it might do some good getting the attention of people, especially those who are on the fence. Maybe getting to experience the gameplay itself before making a decision can help make up some peoples' minds.

It'd be nice...  Though I have to wonder just how aware they are of potential customers who are unsure of whether or not they'd want to get it.

I'd advocate for a demo, whether it's a pre-release demo or a limited trial.  I think I already know quite a bit about how the game'll play, but I'd play the demo regardless.

[Arthur97]

7 minutes ago, Ertrick36 said:

Yeah, I like that, too.  I don't particularly enjoy games where my allies feel entirely useless.  I know that keeps send raid captains to cause problems for enemy keeps, but it hardly felt like the allies ever made too much of a dent outside of scripted story events.  At the very least I'll feel like I have better control over how things play out, even if ally captains still might suck.

I did actually have a Hylian captain occasionally beat a named character, but that was few and far between. 

[Thany]

23 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

I did actually have a Hylian captain occasionally beat a named character, but that was few and far between. 

Ah the good old days when this random goron on my team defeated Volga and Ruto all by itself. I decided to name him link the goron in reference to orcarina of time. XD