Spectraman Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Hey guys, I am very eager to know if Haitaka is a good unit to use throughout Conquest Lunatic. Or should I bench him after beating Chapter 10 since his rally defense is good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moblin Major General Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I'm not sure how long he's kept, but I would say he's usually ditched after Chapter 23, given that you could capture one of the 2 better rallybots hanging around Hinata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectraman Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 Excluding the rally he has, how would rate him as a unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Amongst generic he's around 6-7/10. Basically only below some like i guess Kumagera, and his overall usefulness is kind of below captured Falcon Knights Overall worth is around 8/10. You can basically pick him up, have him help CH10, use him as Rally defense afterwards and he would worth way more than majority of units Edited July 6, 2017 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 His combat drastically outpreforms your other mele infantry until you can promote/seal zerkers and snag kids but his 1-2 is awful and this is conquest. Still better than Effie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectraman Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 What does 1-2 mean? Also what do you consider better lance users than him, excluding children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, Spectraman said: What does 1-2 mean? Also what do you consider better lance users than him, excluding children? If I were you, I'd just ignore him - far more often than not, joshcja has no idea what he's talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Spectraman said: What does 1-2 mean? Also what do you consider better lance users than him, excluding children? Range on attacks that hits both the adjacent tile, and 2 tiles away from you. Excluding kids he's the "best" main lance user in terms of raw combat, but frankly lances cap out at Drank so every dracobird, bowbird or ninja will be strictly better in the mid-late game even if they have lower stats, while rallymaster takes over buffing duties post-ch23. Edited July 7, 2017 by joshcja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, joshcja said: Range on attacks that hits both the adjacent tile, and 2 tiles away from you. Excluding kids he's the "best" main lance user in terms of raw combat, but frankly lances cap out at Drank so every dracobird, bowbird or ninja will be strictly better in the mid-late game even if they have lower stats, while rallymaster takes over buffing duties post-ch23. Theres a Bowbird in CQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectraman Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 So I want to use a captured unit, who is not entirely focused on ralling(so no chapter 23 rally units), would haitaka generally be better late game or kumagera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon844 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Haitaka has unique stat growths so downright he's better then any generic spearfighter, alongside with edging out Oboro except for Magic/Luck/Defense. He's a great damage dealer that can actually prove his worth if you want to use him as an attack unit, while still having utility as a rallyunit with Rally Defense until Chapter 23's Rallymen come. Quick disclaimer: In lunatic he gets Seal Defense early alongside with Strong Riposte which is...okay i guess. Now Kumagera on the other hand, he's great for being a tank in lunatic concidering he gets Darting Blow and Countermagic. But if you want to get his fullest potential, you're going to have to put some time into him so that he can get Death Blow and Counter. Both units are great and if you have units that are lacking or need help on, i'd say go for them alongside Guzak from Forrest's Paralogue if you can swing it. Edited July 7, 2017 by Raccoon844 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 2 hours ago, JSND said: Theres a Bowbird in CQ? In gen one we have uuuuh. Every male that can bone Azura or Mozu + Mozu, Selena, and Effie for our bowbirds? (Not all the boys are good bowbirds obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, joshcja said: In gen one we have uuuuh. Every male that can bone Azura or Mozu + Mozu, Selena, and Effie for our bowbirds? (Not all the boys are good bowbirds obviously) Why even run Bowbirds when you can run Dark Magic Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 54 minutes ago, JSND said: Why even run Bowbirds when you can run Dark Magic Dragon Only 2 bolt axes x.x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectraman Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 13 hours ago, Raccoon844 said: Haitaka has unique stat growths so downright he's better then any generic spearfighter, alongside with edging out Oboro except for Magic/Luck/Defense. He's a great damage dealer that can actually prove his worth if you want to use him as an attack unit, while still having utility as a rallyunit with Rally Defense until Chapter 23's Rallymen come. Quick disclaimer: In lunatic he gets Seal Defense early alongside with Strong Riposte which is...okay i guess. Now Kumagera on the other hand, he's great for being a tank in lunatic concidering he gets Darting Blow and Countermagic. But if you want to get his fullest potential, you're going to have to put some time into him so that he can get Death Blow and Counter. Both units are great and if you have units that are lacking or need help on, i'd say go for them alongside Guzak from Forrest's Paralogue if you can swing it. Hold on, I feel like I am missing something or forgot. Is there an enemy unit in Chapter 23 that has multiple rallies, because why waste your time getting another rally bot when you can train Haitaka to be a good rally defense bot and train him to be a good spear fighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moblin Major General Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 30 minutes ago, Spectraman said: Hold on, I feel like I am missing something or forgot. Is there an enemy unit in Chapter 23 that has multiple rallies, because why waste your time getting another rally bot when you can train Haitaka to be a good rally defense bot and train him to be a good spear fighter? The 2 masters of arms flanking Hinata have Rally Defense and Rally Strength. I'm not sure, but they might also have Amaterasu. I said they were spear masters, but I was mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Spectraman said: Hold on, I feel like I am missing something or forgot. Is there an enemy unit in Chapter 23 that has multiple rallies, because why waste your time getting another rally bot when you can train Haitaka to be a good rally defense bot and train him to be a good spear fighter? There's a MOA with rally Atk/Def/Spd/Luk chilling with 4 spearmasters on the right side that you can capture on turn one of Ch23 (he may also have rally res). Edited July 7, 2017 by joshcja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmola Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, joshcja said: There's a MOA with rally Atk/Def/Spd/Luk chilling with 4 spearmasters on the right side that you can capture on turn one of Ch23 (he may also have rally res). People refer to him as "ralleyman" for a reason. 4 ralleys is way better than you can expect to get in any other way without a LOT of investment. He is right up ther with "penta axe general" from fe5 (who had an inventory stuffed full of axes, some of which were great and hard to get) on the "generic capterable units that everyone remembers" list. I actualy deployed him in the final chapter, simply because you pretty much need to one-turn that chapter, and orkoing the final boss is much eaiser if the boss killer gets +4 to 4 stats (protip, have a charge left on 2 rescue staffs. galeforce and warp help a lot). Edited July 8, 2017 by sirmola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, sirmola said: People refer to him as "ralleyman" for a reason. On 7/6/2017 at 7:38 PM, joshcja said: rallymaster takes over buffing duties post-ch23. You don't say???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectraman Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 So what would be the better choice. Capture haitaka only for chapter 10, bench him, and just capture the rallyman in chapter 23. Or invest in Haitaka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CompteSecours Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Haitaka has really nice growth and he is the only spearmaster in Conquest. You can use him as a "true" unit. He won't benefecit support bonus tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectraman Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 oh dammit your right, so are you saying he won't ger bonuses from pairups or he just won't get bonuses since he is not a "true" unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshcja Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 He gets and gives boosts just no additional support boosts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon844 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) He's just gives you the bare-bones support bonuses. that being said however Haitaka is a great damaging unit (had him and Chapter 23's Rallyman on my final party) and he's your only choice for a spearfighter in conquest unless you decided to give your corrin the spear fighter secondary class trait via character customization. Really, just get both whenever you can and have Haitaka as your glass cannon with Rally Defense on standby whilst having Rallyman on standby for that sweet buffs and attack stance. Edited July 10, 2017 by Raccoon844 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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