Scorched Grand Hero Battle: Valter, the Moonstone

[Vaximillian]

16 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

I can solve my issues with some defense+3 inheritance, at the very least ...

Doesn’t Def+3 interfere with HP+5 on Donny? Or are you talking about Olivia?

Damn all these videos requiring a Klein (whom I don’t have), an Azura (whom I don’t have), a Bridal Cordelia (whom I don’t have), a brave Cherche (whom I don’t have)…

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

Just now, Vaximillian said:

Doesn’t Def+3 interfere with HP+5 on Donny? Or are you talking about Olivia?

Damn all these videos requiring a Klein (whom I don’t have), an Azura (whom I don’t have), a Bridal Cordelia (whom I don’t have), a brave Cherche (whom I don’t have)…

What do you have?

[Vaximillian]

Just now, SatsumaFSoysoy said:

What do you have?

Depends on the category of stuff, I guess.

For example, my only brave archer is a 4⋆ +Atk, −Def Gordin, and my other archers are a 4⋆ Clarisse, a 4⋆ −Spd Jeorge, and a 4⋆ −Atk Virion (I do have two Gordins to give someone a brave bow, I guess).

[Sunwoo]

28 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

Doesn’t Def+3 interfere with HP+5 on Donny? Or are you talking about Olivia?

I have a really ... interesting Donnel. A while back, I got way too many 3-star Donnels so I decided to just merge them all into a super Donnel. So I have a 3-star level 40+6 Donnel. With an HP+3 seal, he hits the exact amount of HP in the video, funny enough.

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

20 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

Depends on the category of stuff, I guess.

For example, my only brave archer is a 4⋆ +Atk, −Def Gordin, and my other archers are a 4⋆ Clarisse, a 4⋆ −Spd Jeorge, and a 4⋆ −Atk Virion (I do have two Gordins to give someone a brave bow, I guess).

Gordin has the same Atk stat as Klein, and DB is a bit overkill anyway. Your horses should be able to do everything else. Try Lunatic with Rein / Xander / Olivia / Gordin?

[Vaximillian]

Just now, SatsumaFSoysoy said:

Gordin has the same Atk stat as Klein, and DB is a bit overkill anyway. Your horses should be able to do everything else. Try Lunatic with Rein / Xander / Olivia / Gordin?

Lunatic is not my concern, I beat it yesterday. It’s Infernal that makes me puzzled.

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

19 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

Lunatic is not my concern, I beat it yesterday. It’s Infernal that makes me puzzled.

O. What else is in your toolbox?

[Vaximillian]

48 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said:

O. What else is in your toolbox?

Again, it depends on the category. Shall I list all 260 units I’ve got?

[donkeykhang]

Man Infernal is tough, I must've failed about twenty times and I was definitely lucky with barely hitting attack margins. orz

All that skill inheritance sure paid off in the end... 

Spoiler

 

 

[Sunwoo]

Woo, beat infernal using the video I posted earlier. Had to give both Donnel and Olivia defense+3, but once that was done everything went as it should've. Shoutout to the 4-star m!Corrin I summoned today; I already had a 5-star male Corrin with +atk so the new one taught Donnel defense+3, which was exactly what I needed.

[Mehdi2277]

One of the rare GHB my default team of Nowi/Nino/Ninian/Tiki fails even after a couple dozen tries and a lot of different skill sets used. I can't kill stuff fast enough with the 4 of them and end up getting stuck near the end in a bad position.

 

On reddit, I saw a video of a Nino + 3 WoM dancers (one needs to be azura to kill some of the red mages) clear so I ended up just replicating that. My main modification was the video used a +spd nino and as my nino was +atk I had to swap fury with darting blow. +Atk or + spd is needed as if you go darting blow and lack +atk you'll barely miss a few kills (although if you use stuff like fortify res seal and try to get nino enough buffs it might still work). Even with darting blow/fury +spd you still need a hone speed on a dancer because of the fliers having an obnoxious amount of speed. Pretty nice to have nino kill all but two of the enemies.

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

2 hours ago, Vaximillian said:

Again, it depends on the category. Shall I list all 260 units I’ve got?

How about we start with the trained peeps?

[Vaximillian]

1 hour ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said:

How about we start with the trained peeps?

Lvl 40s? Sure, why not:

5⋆:

 

Seliph+1 (+HP, −Def) (HP+5, Brash 3, Rally Speed);
Lyn+1 (+Res, −Atk) (Def Atk 3, Brash 3, Spur Spd 3, Galeforce);
Eirika+1 (+Spd, −Res) (Fury 3,  Drag Back,  Spur Spd 3, Rally Def, Moonbow);
Soren+1 (+Spd, −Def) (TA2, Lancebreaker 2, Fort Res 3, Swap, Iceberg);

Ogma (+Atk, −Res) (Daylight);
Navarre (HP+3, Desperation 3, Threaten Spd 3, wo dao+, Rec Aid, Moonbow);
Tobin (lol);
Marth-M (Fury 2, Swordbreaker 2, Luna);
Eldigan (+Res, −Spd) (Fury 3, QR2, Hone Cav, Swap, Bonfire);
Xander (Fury 3, Vantage 3, Hone Cav, Swap, Bonfire);
Caeda (neutral) (Darting Blow 3, Fort Res 2, Rally Spd, Glacies);
Celica (neutral) (L&D3, Renewal 3, Spur Atk 3, Draw Back, DA);
Lilina (+Atk, −HP) (TA2, Bowbreaker 3, Spur Atk 3, Draw Back, Iceberg);
Sanaki (+Atk, −Spd) (TA3, Hone Atk 3, Harsh, Iceberg);

Sharena (Spd+3, Swordbreaker 3, Fort Def 3, Rally Atk, Moonbow);
Camus (Faury 3, Vantage 3, Fort Cav, Swap, Bonfire);
Clive (lol);
Catria (+Def, −HP) (Armoured Blow 3, Seal Atk 3, Luna);
Clair (+Atk, −HP) (Hit&Run, Harsh);
Ninian (+Spd, −Res) (TA3, Escape Route 3, Fort Def 2);
Reinhardt (+Atk, −Res) (DB2, Lancebreaker 2, Fort Cav, Reposition, DA);
Olwen (+HP, −Res (Desperation 3, Fort Cav, Reposition, DA);
Ursula (DB3, Lancebreaker 3, Fort Cav, Blárblade+, Reposition, Moonbow);

Michalis (Iote’s, QR2, Threaten Def, Swap, Bonfire);
Cherche (+Res, −Def) (Atk+3, Fort Def 3, Pivot);
Fae (+Atk, −Def) (Renewal 3, Draw Back);
Faye (+Atk, −HP) (Daylight).

4⋆:

 

Raigh+1 (+Res, −Atk) (HP+4, Seal Res 3, Rally Attack);
Sophia+1 (+Spd, −Res) (Warding Blow 2, Fort Res 3, Rauðrraven, DF);
Est+1 (neutral) (Def Res 3, Seal Spd 2, Fort Fliers, brave lance, Shove, Glacies);
Nowi+1 (+Spd, −Res) (Def+2, Threaten Res, Rally Def);
Wrys+1 (+Spd, −HP) (LtS 2, Rehab, Heavenly Light);

Alfonse (DB3, Spur Atk 2, Sol);
Marth (+Spd, −HP) (Escape Route 2, Spur Spd 3, Pivot);
Fir (+Atk, −Res) (Spd+3, Pass 1, Glacies);
Lloyd (Iceberg);
Chrom (+Atk, −Spd) (Daylight);
Olivia (neutral) (Escape Route 3, Hone Atk 3);
Corrin-M (+Def, −Spd) (Def+3, Obstruct 2, DF);
Hana (+Spd, −Res) (L&D2, Escutcheon);
Laslow (+Atk, −HP) (Axebreaker 3, Hone Spd 2, Noontime);
Draug (neutral) (Ward Armour, silver sword, Pavise);
Zephiel (WF3, Spur Def 1, Reprisal);
Cain (+Atk, −Def) (WoM3, Threaten Atk 2, Escutcheon);
Eliwood (+HP, −Spd) (Axebreaker 2, Ward Cav, Sacred Cowl);
Stahl (+HP, −Res) (Def+3, Obstruct 2, Swap);
Palla (+Spd, −Res) (Darting Blow 3, WoM2, Goad Fliers, Reposition, Moonbow);
Tharja (+Spd, −HP) (Fury 3, Desperation 3, Moonbow);

Donny (+Atk, −HP) (HP+5, Drag Back, Rec Aid);
Oboro (+Atk, −Spd) (Seal Def 1, Rally Def, Bonfire);
Gwendy (+Atk, −Def) (Hone Armour, Escutcheon);
Effie (+Atk, −Spd) (DB2, WF3, Smite);
Abel (+Res, −HP) (HP+4, Swordbreaker 3, Aegis);
Berkut (lol);
Sully (+Def, −HP) (Swordbreaker 2, Draw Back);
Peri (+Spd, −Res) (Res+1, Threaten Def 3, Glimmer);
Cordelia (+Def, −Atk) (Hit&Run, Fort Fliers, Reposition, Luna);
Corrin-F (+Spd, −Def) (Seal Res 2, Hone Atk 3, DA);
Robin-M (+Atk, −Spd) (TA3, Swordbreaker 3, Draw Back, Bonfire);

Anna (Atk+2, Vantage 2, Spur Res 3, Rally Res, Astra);
Legion (Fury 2, Obstruct 3, Reprisal);
Raven (+HP, −Def) (Def Spd 3, Threaten Def 2, Sol);
Frederick (+Atk, −HP), (Ward Cav, Luna);
Merric (+HP, −Spd) (HP+4, Spur Res 3, Growing Wind);
Nino (+Def, −Res) (Fury 3, Desperation 3, Hone Atk 2, Draw Back, Moonbow);
Robin-F (Def Res 2, B Tomebreaker 3, Ignis);
Cecilia (+Atk, −Res) (Darting Blow 3, G Tomebreaker 3, Hone Cav, Gronnblade, Reposition, Moonbow);

Gordin (+Atk, −Def) (Atk+3, Vantage 2, Hone Atk 1, Shove, DA);
Jeorge (+Res, −Spd) (Seal Atk 2, Spur Spd 2, Growing Flame);
Clarisse (Poison Strike 3, Threaten Def 2, Glimmer);
Virion (+HP, −Atk) (Def Res 2, Seal Spd 3, Astra);

Felicia (+Atk, −Spd) (Res+2, BoL3, Glacies);
Kagero (+HP, −Def) (Warding Blow 2, Daggerbreaker 3, Rec Aid, Reprisal);

Maria (+Res, −Atk) (Fort Res 2, Mend, Imbue);
Lachesis (+Atk, −Def) (LtS1, Spur Res 2, Rehab, Solid-Earth);
Serra (+Res, −HP) (LtS1, Hone Atk 2, Rehab, Swift-Winds);
Lissa (+Def, −Spd) (Renewal 2, Rehab, Kindled-Fire);
Sakura (+Res, −Def) (Hone Def 2, Mend, Imbue);
Clarine (+HP, −Spd) (Res+2, Rehab, Imbue).

3⋆:

 

Donny+1 (neutral) (HP+3, Drag Back, Rec Aid);
Subaki+1 (neutral) (Res +2, QR1, Swap);
Barst (+Atk, −HP) (Spur Atk 2, Reposition);
Narcian (Lancebreaker 2, Savage Blow 1, Retribution);
Matthew (neutral) (Poison Strike 1, Rec Aid).

Edited August 22, 2017 by Vaximillian

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

@Vaximillian I would try and run some of these for you, but I actually don't have most of the units you have that would be useful. How was Horse Emblem?

[Vaximillian]

14 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said:

How was Horse Emblem?

To my chagrin, I haven’t tried it yet. It was fun enough (for a dubious definition of fun) to whack-a-mole in Hard, so I used Brotel’s (sp?) Xander/Olivia/Donnel/Clarisse strat for Lunatic.

[Othin]

I replayed Infernal to fully retell my strategy (Xander/Reinhardt/Ninian/Olivia) with images. I think it's a bit more flexible than the video I referenced for the first few turns, and it might be possible to mix and match parts of both strategies.

 

Preparation. Three skills that did not seem to be necessary were Bonfire on Xander and Draw Back and Goad Cavalry on Reinhardt. In addition, I believe Reinhardt and Ninian would have been fine with just Lancebreaker 1 and Escape Route 1. Some of the other skills may also have been unnecessary or replaceable, but I'm not sure. I do know that Reinhardt can't spare any Atk, though. Also it's important that Ninian has Escape Route rather than Wings of Mercy.

Turn 1: Xander moves down to bait the axe flier and the archer.

Turn 2: Reinhardt kills the lance cav and the red mage. Xander and Ninian back up, still baiting the axe flier.

Turn 3: Xander kills the axe flier with Ninian's help, leaving Ninian in range of the sword flier. Reinhardt kills the archer. Olivia moves to a safe spot in the upper left.

Turn 4: Reinhardt kills the sword and lance fliers. Xander uses Reposition to get Reinhardt out of range of the armor. Olivia ends up in range of the axe flier.

Turn 5: Reinhardt kills the armor, then Ninian and Olivia teleport over to him to help him kill the red tome cav and Valter.

Turn 6: Xander kills the axe cav and Reinhardt kills the sword cav. Then they get in position to be ready for the last two enemies, but at this point positioning is no longer much of a concern.

Turn 7: Cleanup. This part is pretty flexible.

Edited August 22, 2017 by Othin

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

2 minutes ago, Othin said:

I replayed Infernal to fully retell my strategy (Xander/Reinhardt/Ninian/Olivia) with images. I think it's a bit more flexible than the video I referenced for the first few turns, and it might be possible to mix and match parts of both strategies.

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Preparation. Three skills that did not seem to be necessary were Bonfire on Xander and Draw Back and Goad Cavalry on Reinhardt. In addition, I believe Reinhardt and Ninian would have been fine with just Lancebreaker 1 and Escape Route 1. Some of the other skills may also have been unnecessary or replaceable, but I'm not sure. I do know that Reinhardt can't spare any Atk, though. Also it's important that Ninian has Escape Route rather than Wings of Mercy.

Turn 1: Xander moves down to bait the axe flier and the archer.

Turn 2: Reinhardt kills the lance cav and the red mage. Xander and Ninian back up, still baiting the axe flier.

Turn 3: Xander kills the axe flier with Ninian's help, leaving Ninian in range of the sword flier. Reinhardt kills the archer. Olivia moves to a safe spot in the upper left.

Turn 4: Reinhardt kills the sword and lance fliers. Xander uses Reposition to get Reinhardt out of range of the armor. Olivia ends up in range of the axe flier.

Turn 5: Reinhardt kills the armor, then Ninian and Olivia teleport over to him to help him kill the red tome cav and Valter.

Turn 6: Xander kills the axe cav and Reinhardt kills the sword cav. Then they get in position to be ready for the last two enemies, but at this point positioning is no longer much of a concern.

Turn 7: Cleanup. This part is pretty flexible.

Ooh, cool stuff. @Vaximillian Here you go.

[Kaden]

yorotsruuu yorotsruuu figured out a way to do this with only F2P units: Camus, Clarisse, Olivia, and Wrys, but you need to get both Camus and Clarisse to 5* and inherit Astra* and L&D2 on Clarisse and Reciprocal Aid and at least Quick Riposte 1 on Camus.

*If you don't want to inherit Astra, then Wrys needs to inherit Spur Attack 1.

Here's the Japanese version: https://youtu.be/Ys1-TMIG-qQ.

Here's the English version where a Glimmer version is shown as the second strategy: https://youtu.be/fCcTCgkMccU.

Just **** this map.

[Othin]

11 hours ago, Othin said:

Went looking for Infernal videos that might be more viable for what I have and found this one with Xander/Reinhardt/Olivia/Azura. (Olivia is 4*, the rest are 5*.)

I'm missing some of the skills, especially Wings of Mercy, but I have a lot of extra Pallas and Wings of Mercy 1 looks like it should be enough for this. Not sure if I want to bother spending the 2k feathers in inheriting Wings of Mercy 2 as well though.

My strategy diverged from the video before this came up, but something I noticed that could be helpful for anyone following the video more closely: there's a point where Reinhardt has exactly the Atk he needs to one-round the lance flier, but I believe you can work around that by changing which space he attacks the armor from on the previous turn, so he isn't in range of Atk Ploy from the sword flier. This should make it possible to get that kill without quite as much power, such as if your Reinhardt only has Death Blow 2 rather than 3, like mine.

[Vaximillian]

@SatsumaFSoysoy @Othin: doesn’t work with a +Spd Ninian and neutral Olivia: the sword knight moves left instead of up, while the sword peg can’t double Ninian and bring her anywhere low. Also Goad Cav is only available from Camus and Reinhardt and fuck if I use them up.

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

Just now, Vaximillian said:

@SatsumaFSoysoy @Othin: doesn’t work with a +Spd Ninian and neutral Olivia: the sword knight moves left instead of up, while the sword peg can’t double Ninian and bring her anywhere low. Also Goad Cav is only available from Camus and Reinhardt and fuck if I use them up.

Give Ninian the Severe Depression Seal so she gets doubled by everything

[Ice Dragon]

Bleh, having trouble building a janky team (no cavalry, no archers, minimal Litrblade) to beat Infernal with. Maybe I should start using a serious team.

 

Peri-only might actually work if I have Hone Spd support to double attack the 39-Spd enemies with her Firesweep Lance, though I still have to figure out how to activate Wings of Mercy without getting her killed (since she needs to take a hit on enemy phase to do so with Firesweep Lance and will probably need to run Draconic Aura instead of Escutcheon for the extra firepower).

[DLNarshen]

10 hours ago, DLNarshen said:

Oof, this will be the first Infernal GHB I haven't been able to beat on the first day, and I used up several stamina potions.  I tried to replicate the 4* Olivia/Gordin/Donnel/Ursula strat here, but apparently Donnel needs to be +Def for the Archer to move up rather than to the side. 

I cleared Infernal! I used my spare Corrin-M to give Def+1 to Donnel, which was just enough with his merges and the Squad Ace B seal to hit 33 and thus get the ideal AI movements.  It feels kinda lame to just copy someone else's strat move for move, but in this case the alternative was flailing about unsuccessfully for a week and becoming infuriated in the process...  

[Othin]

34 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

@SatsumaFSoysoy @Othin: doesn’t work with a +Spd Ninian and neutral Olivia: the sword knight moves left instead of up, while the sword peg can’t double Ninian and bring her anywhere low. Also Goad Cav is only available from Camus and Reinhardt and fuck if I use them up.

Do you have Death Blow 3? If so, I think you can get the kill on the red cav without Goad Cavalry and would just need Spur Atk on Xander to get the kill on the lance flier. Although that's just one of the three issues.

If Ninian ends up just over 50% HP, she could use Life and Death 1 to lower her Def and get into Escape Route 3 range, perhaps? Even with neutral HP/Def, I think it'd be barely enough.

As for the sword knight, is that an issue?

[Vaximillian]

5 minutes ago, Othin said:

Do you have Death Blow 3? If so, I think you can get the kill on the red cav without Goad Cavalry and would just need Spur Atk on Xander to get the kill on the lance flier. Although that's just one of the three issues.

If Ninian ends up just over 50% HP, she could use Life and Death 1 to lower her Def and get into Escape Route 3 range, perhaps? Even with neutral HP/Def, I think it'd be barely enough.

As for the sword knight, is that an issue?

No, only DB2. Also, is Moonbow preferable compared to Draconic Aura? I tried both and didn’t notice significant diffierence.

Ineed to try again to see how low she gets because I forgot I had TA3 on her. Still I doubt it would change much.

He then jumps all over the battlefield like a madman with Pivot, being obnoxious and blocking me from everything.