TheSS Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) The Generic Moveset Theory is something that countless people online, and doubtlessly countless people at KT, have thought of at some point or another. The basic idea of it is as follows: Rather than create a moveset for every character, make a number of movesets for different fighting styles, and then have multiple different characters with each moveset in order to maximize the number of characters from FE lore you can fit into the game. Let's say they ARE going with this approach, which is likely considering the number of clones in the game. Let's also say the number of generic movesets is rougly equal to the number of movesets in the starting game of HW. HW had 20 without the free DLC of villain characters released shortly after the game hit shelves. It had 24 with. Let's say FEW will have 24 generic movesets in the base game. In that case, let's see what we already have. Lord (Chrom/Lucina) Lord (Marth) Lord (OC Twins) Hoshido/Nohr Noble Lord (Lyn) Pegasus Knight Dragon Knight Mounted (sword) Mounted (axe) Mounted (magic) Infantry (magic) Infantry (bow) Infantry (sword/swordmaster) Infantry (Axe) Dragonstone user This would leave us with ~9 movesets left. What I would like to see is Dancer (Azura) Priestess (Celica) (Possible emphasis on Light Magic so it can be used for clerics from GBA games for DLC) Lord (Ike) Knight Hero Mounted (Bow) Dark Mage Thief Beast Stone user Edited September 19, 2017 by TheSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The thing is about Lyn, even though her class is a lord by name, she fights VERY much like a classic myrmidon, which can be assumed where the accidental Navarre's moveset may be based off of, if not the other way around. I'd hardly leave out Mercenary, since they're not like Lords and are relatively all-around units. Additionally, not every merc has access to the bow knight class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSS Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Motendra said: The thing is about Lyn, even though her class is a lord by name, she fights VERY much like a classic myrmidon, which can be assumed where the accidental Navarre's moveset may be based off of, if not the other way around. I'd hardly leave out Mercenary, since they're not like Lords and are relatively all-around units. Additionally, not every merc has access to the bow knight class. Does Lyn not have her own moveset? Well, I'm taking your word on it. Editing the original. Edited September 17, 2017 by TheSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, TheSS said: Does Lyn not have her own moveset? Well, I'm taking your word on it. Editing the original. Well, that tidbit on her and Navarre, is more so just a theory. Given that he's not yet revealed we can't confirm, but it'd be the most logical conclusion. I mean, her actual promotion class is BLADE-Lord, after all, with the only difference being that she gets a bow as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSS Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Motendra said: Well, that tidbit on her and Navarre, is more so just a theory. Given that he's not yet revealed we can't confirm, but it'd be the most logical conclusion. I mean, her actual promotion class is BLADE-Lord, after all, with the only difference being that she gets a bow as well Well, when I put in the swordmaster moveset, I was mostly referring to Ryouma. Does she have that moveset? Or have we not seen enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, TheSS said: Well, when I put in the swordmaster moveset, I was mostly referring to Ryouma. Does she have that moveset? Or have we not seen enough? She doesn't in the slightest. From what amount we've seen, she literally fights like a classic myrmidon from the GBA era. While Ryoma may fall into the same general unit role, there is distinction between them for being Samurai, instead of Myrmidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSS Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, Motendra said: She doesn't in the slightest. From what amount we've seen, she literally fights like a classic myrmidon from the GBA era. While Ryoma may fall into the same general unit role, there is distinction between them for being Samurai, instead of Myrmidon Well, I've been classifying these based on moveset, not 'role'. Besides, Hinoka and Cordelia have the same moveset. I don't see why Ryouma would have a different moveset than Navarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, TheSS said: Well, I've been classifying these based on moveset, not 'role'. Besides, Hinoka and Cordelia have the same moveset. I don't see why Ryouma would have a different moveset than Navarre. Because, Fates Swordmasters literally have different animations than any other incarnation, further exemplifying the differences in culture themes within Hoshido. Why they didn't give Sky Warriors the same distinction to Peg Knightd is an oversight that's beyond me (though that's prolly due to the mount) but that's besides the point. Additionally, Navarre by default and design wields two swords. Just like Lyn is right now, despite dual wielding not visually existing within gameplay until Fates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotomGuy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 How sure are we that the armored unit will use a lance? Because I can see Garon being an armored unit, obviously using an axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur97 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I think Marth may break this theory since he fights nothing like Chrom/Lucina. Maybe it's just because he's Marth, but it seems to strike the theory down. (why isn't he Lodestar anyways?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luankachu Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, RotomGuy said: How sure are we that the armored unit will use a lance? Because I can see Garon being an armored unit, obviously using an axe. Taken from this interview: "And since we also have the non-mounted and armored Knight that will use a spear, Great Knights shall end up appearing with an axe." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSS Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Arthur97 said: I think Marth may break this theory since he fights nothing like Chrom/Lucina. Maybe it's just because he's Marth, but it seems to strike the theory down. (why isn't he Lodestar anyways?) Well, I think it makes sense. Chrom trained Lucina, so it makes sense they're the same. Marth is more based on his smash bros appearance. I don't think it's so illogical that it breaks the theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denomon Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Luankachu said: Taken from this interview: "And since we also have the non-mounted and armored Knight that will use a spear, Great Knights shall end up appearing with an axe." Only one Knight? That's unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Ithipathachai Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Denomon3144 said: Only one Knight? That's unfortunate. If there really is only one Knight, it'll probably be Draug. I mean, Awakening doesn't have any notable Knights to speak of, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSS Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Denomon3144 said: Only one Knight? That's unfortunate. Where'd you get that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomalocaris Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, Von Ithipathachai said: If there really is only one Knight, it'll probably be Draug. I mean, Awakening doesn't have any notable Knights to speak of, does it? Awakening's only Knight was Kjelle, oddly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokechu Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Anomalocaris said: Awakening's only Knight was Kjelle, oddly enough. I thought there was someone else? Aren't we forgetting someone? Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 46 minutes ago, Pokechu said: I thought there was someone else? Aren't we forgetting someone? Oh well. Gosh guys, how could you all forget the likes of Cervantas, he is hella iconic and deserves to be in the game. On another note, I don't mind characters have the same basic attack string as long as their combos are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertrick36 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Denomon3144 said: Only one Knight? That's unfortunate. I think they were using the singular to refer to the class in general rather than to indicate that there's just one armor knight. Like how a history show might refer to "the knight" when talking about their code of ethics or other general facts about knights. Obviously they aren't just referring to one particular knight in that case. It could also be something lost in translation. 3 hours ago, Arthur97 said: I think Marth may break this theory since he fights nothing like Chrom/Lucina. Maybe it's just because he's Marth, but it seems to strike the theory down. (why isn't he Lodestar anyways?) You think there isn't at least a little room for a few unique characters in this theory? 1 hour ago, Anomalocaris said: Awakening's only Knight was Kjelle, oddly enough. I could've sworn there was an armor knight in the Ferox border chapter, but... Nah, I'm probably just thinking of the boss there. On topic, I think this could be a route they'd go where the basic combo strings are the same, but the Musou specials are all different. I mean, that would come to the disappointment of Musou fans and probably FE fans who'd like to see their favorite characters differentiated more, but it certainly would be one way to cram in a bunch of fan favorites easily and it's fairly consistent with what has been said/presented in interviews/demos/trailers. Also, I don't see them omitting regular infantry lancers at all. I'd say that "light/dark mages" will probably not be a thing due to how light magic isn't even a thing in SD or the 3DS games and dark magic encompasses so few spells. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I do think it's the least likely scenario in this theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomalocaris Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Ertrick36 said: Also, I don't see them omitting regular infantry lancers at all. I'd say that "light/dark mages" will probably not be a thing due to how light magic isn't even a thing in SD or the 3DS games and dark magic encompasses so few spells. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I do think it's the least likely scenario in this theory. Seeing as Robin and Leo have dark magic in their movesets, I'm guessing there's no distinction between anima, dark, and light magic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 hours ago, TheSS said: Well, I've been classifying these based on moveset, not 'role'. Besides, Hinoka and Cordelia have the same moveset. I don't see why Ryouma would have a different moveset than Navarre. Ryoma literally only does Fate's Swordmaster things, if Navarre has the same moveset that literally would be unfaithful to Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem animations (which Marth borrows in Smash), and would be more of a travesty than the PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonZ Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, TheSS said: Well, I've been classifying these based on moveset, not 'role'. Besides, Hinoka and Cordelia have the same moveset. I don't see why Ryouma would have a different moveset than Navarre. The biggest oddity is that Navarre by design carries two swords, just like the Lyn added here - but Lyn never wielded two swords before. She had one sword before promotion and sword and bow afterwards. Ryoma's moveset in Warriors only has one sword, creating a second energy blade for some of his special attacks, but his standard ones all seem to use a single blade and most are two handed. We haven't seen Lyn's standard attacks though, but I'd be surprised if she doesn't use that 2nd blade at all, considering how it's an addition to her design that (aside from the shorts), follows her FE7 artwork very faithfully. It seems unlikely they'd give her that extra sword unless she's using a moveset that actually requires two blades. Edited September 17, 2017 by NeonZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 hours ago, TheSS said: Maid/Ninja Not going to happen, since hidden weapons aren't in the game. Infantry sword (Hero) should be covered by Ike, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSS Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Anacybele said: Not going to happen, since hidden weapons aren't in the game. Infantry sword (Hero) should be covered by Ike, imo. How do we know this? 1 hour ago, NeonZ said: The biggest oddity is that Navarre by design carries two swords, just like the Lyn added here - but Lyn never wielded two swords before. She had one sword before promotion and sword and bow afterwards. Ryoma's moveset in Warriors only has one sword, creating a second energy blade for some of his special attacks, but his standard ones all seem to use a single blade and most are two handed. We haven't seen Lyn's standard attacks though, but I'd be surprised if she doesn't use that 2nd blade at all, considering how it's an addition to her design that (aside from the shorts), follows her FE7 artwork very faithfully. It seems unlikely they'd give her that extra sword unless she's using a moveset that actually requires two blades. So it sounds like Navarre is going to use Lyn's moveset. Still, that meshes with my theory. 3 hours ago, Anomalocaris said: Seeing as Robin and Leo have dark magic in their movesets, I'm guessing there's no distinction between anima, dark, and light magic here. I can see this being a thing. It WOULD be a shame if all infantry mages had the same generic moveset. A dark mage like Tharja using light magic? That doesn't seem right, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, TheSS said: How do we know this? Know that hidden weapons aren't in the game? it was confirmed months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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