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21 minutes ago, The Lazy Tactician said:

The never ending disappointment.When it will finally end??

Nintendo is probably delaying the trailer such that when it drops, we will be happy to take what is available and reduce the salt produced.

Also, the possibility of a March Direct is very high. I am putting my hopes on the next week ( actually maybe this week if they announce FE Warriors Awakening DLC pack).

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2 hours ago, senior firehood said:

I hope that nintendomake a march direct, if not...then my hopes getting smaller and smaller. okay there is a e3 coming but is that not in july? meh... thats toooo loooong! :(((

Actually, E3 always happens during the second week of June but yeah that is still long time to hear nothing but silence from Nintendo. I'm hoping for March or April for when we see another direct, whether its a mini or full one.

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11 hours ago, Cysx said:

Blood and gore would already be a huge departure from what Fire Emblem has always been, let alone actual nudity and potentially sex. Not that we know for a fact that it wouldn't work better for them in the end, but that is a pretty good example of probably not being worth the risk. Changing an established game series that much generally doesn't work, unless you're niche enough that you don't have all that much to lose. As for a bigger focus on fanservice, as I said, it feels like it's typically not worth it in the long run. It gets people talking for a while, and then an astounding majority moves on to something else. Not to mention it turning off a lot of players.

Aknowledging that rift with Fates, and acting upon it brought nothing good. Did they do it wrong? Who knows. But making two games for two halves of your audience is a huge waste of resources, and keeps the series on this narrow path that leads nowhere. What if the general fanbase ends up divided on the version catering to them at some point? Do you make a third version, then a fourth? Or should they just stop at two because it's "enough"? Well, arguably one game is enough for reasons very close to the ones you were probably thinking of. Besides, from a business standpoint Fates was more of an attempt to cash-in than to fix things, since you were very much encouraged to buy all three versions. Maybe they'll do that again, who knows, but my point is... I'm pretty sure they don't really care. Not enough to go that route anyway. What we saw as a problem, they treated as an opportunity. That's pretty telling.

You're giving too litte thought to things in the long run here though. Yes teenagers grow up, but others take their place, whom you can get to buy your games relatively easily with advertising without changing the formula. Very rarely does a series age along with its audience.

By the way, we're acting like things could get worse for this community, but really, could they? Sometimes it feels like the next step would be us physically harming one another, and whatever they do would likely kill the series long before we even get close to that happening. Plus I like to think that most are slowly getting very tired of the conflict, to the point where more and more people will move on from annoyed silence to speaking up in order to make it stop. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

I fail to see how blood and gore would be a huge departure or major change from the series, seeing as how there are already references to blood, war and death. If anything, blood and gore would complement that since we're seeing the war from the eyes of the characters, and not a rose lens filter. Same applies for nudity and sex, though I don't think Nintendo will have to go that far in fanservice. Regardless, I can see your point with a game like Mario, but not Fire Emblem. 

 

Fates was actually quite a success from Nintendo's viewpoint, in spite of the mediocre quality of the games themselves. This was precisely because they appealed to all sides of the fanbase. Yes, they did a sheisty manner, and I wish they wouldn't do that again, but the point still stands. The Hardcore community is pretty united in the fact that they want a taste of pre-Awakening Fire Emblem. They got this with SoV, and I believe Nintendo should keep on making a separate line of games to cater to the hardcore base rather than attempt a bunch of compromises that risk making everyone unhappy. As for the casual side, if an experiment does not work, find a new experiment or stay loyal to the Awakening system. Pretty simple stuff really. If Nintendo can afford to make three versions of the same game, why can't they afford doing this? 

 

Just because new teenagers come in doesn't mean that the old ones should be discounted, and each new generation of teenagers would likely be more depraved than the last, making Nintendo's need to be family friendly even less urgent. And as I said before, FE is already quite mature compared to other franchises owned by Nintendo. 

 

And yes, things can get a lot worse. Hardcore fans can get very hardcore. 

 

 

 

 

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Lol I have been skimming through this thread and the salt is real. Understandable of course - I think maybe they should've waited a little later to say it was in development. On the plus side,  I'll take a slightly delayed game over a rushed one any day.

I honestly feel like April is when we're gonna get it. There's been at least one big direct every April from 2012-2017 except in 2016. April is when we also got our first big look at FE14, with the reveal of CQ/BR and main families. 

 

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Ok i'm gonna have to ask you to keep calm, everyone. I know you all are excited to hear news about Fire emblem Switch. So am I actually! However, already being salty and dissappointed isn't going to help anyone. All it will do is make you less excited for when the 'reveal' finally drops. The developers need time to make a good trailer, and just overall work on the game. They're not rushing it, which is a huge plus to me, since overall that would make for a better game. So just, chill. The announcement will come! And when it comes, we can all be more excited together!

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14 minutes ago, Michelaar said:

Ok i'm gonna have to ask you to keep calm, everyone. I know you all are excited to hear news about Fire emblem Switch. So am I actually! However, already being salty and dissappointed isn't going to help anyone. All it will do is make you less excited for when the 'reveal' finally drops. The developers need time to make a good trailer, and just overall work on the game. They're not rushing it, which is a huge plus to me, since overall that would make for a better game. So just, chill. The announcement will come! And when it comes, we can all be more excited together!

I second this.

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>Dreamyboi

I could do without yet another ~one year long session of community drama, that I won't deny. So really I'm with you there.

 

1 hour ago, ElectiveToast said:

I fail to see how blood and gore would be a huge departure or major change from the series, seeing as how there are already references to blood, war and death. If anything, blood and gore would complement that since we're seeing the war from the eyes of the characters, and not a rose lens filter. Same applies for nudity and sex, though I don't think Nintendo will have to go that far in fanservice. Regardless, I can see your point with a game like Mario, but not Fire Emblem. 

 

Fates was actually quite a success from Nintendo's viewpoint, in spite of the mediocre quality of the games themselves. This was precisely because they appealed to all sides of the fanbase. Yes, they did a sheisty manner, and I wish they wouldn't do that again, but the point still stands. The Hardcore community is pretty united in the fact that they want a taste of pre-Awakening Fire Emblem. They got this with SoV, and I believe Nintendo should keep on making a separate line of games to cater to the hardcore base rather than attempt a bunch of compromises that risk making everyone unhappy. As for the casual side, if an experiment does not work, find a new experiment or stay loyal to the Awakening system. Pretty simple stuff really. If Nintendo can afford to make three versions of the same game, why can't they afford doing this? 

 

Just because new teenagers come in doesn't mean that the old ones should be discounted, and each new generation of teenagers would likely be more depraved than the last, making Nintendo's need to be family friendly even less urgent. And as I said before, FE is already quite mature compared to other franchises owned by Nintendo. 

 

And yes, things can get a lot worse. Hardcore fans can get very hardcore.

Not going to lie, I don't even know how to tackle your first retort here. To me, yes, there is a huge difference between writing about war and combat animations showing people bleeding to death or getting beheaded. Can you imagine cutting Laslow in half in Birthright? Can you really tell me it's comparable? Gonna have to agree to disagree if that's the case. Similarly, if skinship took things too far for certain people(among other reasons one could dislike that feature for), I'm not sure I buy that nudity and sex would work just fine.

I actually don't think Fates worked because they tried to appeal to everyone. Past its release, rarely have I seen people praising it for giving them a choice. As for SoV, many were actually disappointed at how simplistic it was, so saying that it is what the hardcore fans want would seem inaccurate, too. And, there's a difference between making one three-part game(that you're actually planning on selling to everyone in its entirety), and two completely distinct ones. The resources needed are not the same. Not to mention, that would mean essentially waiting twice as long as normal before getting a new game, since half the time what's coming out won't be "your version". Beyond that, can they afford it, probably. But it doesn't sound like something they'd do.

I think you're completely mistaken if you think the hardcore fanbase would be fine with only getting remakes, by the way.

Why would a new generation be more depraved than the last?

Same here, what are you thinking of when you're saying they'd get worse?

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Anyway, I agree that we should all stop setting ourselves up for disappointment almost every single day, though that's kind of the point of this thread I suppose.

I can't deny that I would certainly appreciate being thrown a bone, even a very small one. Then again, we're the FE community, we're used to waiting by now, right?

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35 minutes ago, Cysx said:

Anyway, I agree that we should all stop setting ourselves up for disappointment almost every single day, though that's kind of the point of this thread I suppose.

I can't deny that I would certainly appreciate being thrown a bone, even a very small one. Then again, we're the FE community, we're used to waiting by now, right?

This right here is my biggest problem with this big wait. It's less the fact that we have to wait, but more the fact that during the wait we're getting NOTHING.

I can completely understand a trailer or something bigger taking a long time to make, but NOTHING has been shown. Not even something small.

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I approve of them telling us that a Fire Emblem Switch game is in development back in Jan 2017. Because of Nintendo's insistence that the 3DS will still be supported throughout 2017 and 2018. If we hadn't gotten the promise of FE Switch, we'd be completely split on whether the next game is on 3DS or on the Switch. Rumors would especially run rampant about a 3DS remake of Geneology - and about half of us would be content with that, if not outright expect it. About a quarter of games in this franchise were released on outdated systems.

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1 hour ago, Cysx said:

>Dreamyboi

I could do without yet another ~one year long session of community drama, that I won't deny. So really I'm with you there.

 

Not going to lie, I don't even know how to tackle your first retort here. To me, yes, there is a huge difference between writing about war and combat animations showing people bleeding to death or getting beheaded. Can you imagine cutting Laslow in half in Birthright? Can you really tell me it's comparable? Gonna have to agree to disagree if that's the case. Similarly, if skinship took things too far for certain people(among other reasons one could dislike that feature for), I'm not sure I buy that nudity and sex would work just fine.

I actually don't think Fates worked because they tried to appeal to everyone. Past its release, rarely have I seen people praising it for giving them a choice. As for SoV, many were actually disappointed at how simplistic it was, so saying that it is what the hardcore fans want would seem inaccurate, too. And, there's a difference between making one three-part game(that you're actually planning on selling to everyone in its entirety), and two completely distinct ones. The resources needed are not the same. Not to mention, that would mean essentially waiting twice as long as normal before getting a new game, since half the time what's coming out won't be "your version". Beyond that, can they afford it, probably. But it doesn't sound like something they'd do.

I think you're completely mistaken if you think the hardcore fanbase would be fine with only getting remakes, by the way.

Why would a new generation be more depraved than the last?

Same here, what are you thinking of when you're saying they'd get worse?

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Anyway, I agree that we should all stop setting ourselves up for disappointment almost every single day, though that's kind of the point of this thread I suppose.

I can't deny that I would certainly appreciate being thrown a bone, even a very small one. Then again, we're the FE community, we're used to waiting by now, right?

I don't think Nintendo would have to go that far in the gore or the sex, and from what I heard most people actually wanted the skinship to stay in the localization, and got mad at NoA's censorship policy. Yes, I'm sure there were certain people who didn't like skinship, but from a business standpoint it's not sound to displease the majority for the sake of the minority. Blood in VG is pretty much just a particle effect anyway, so it's not like Nintendo can't add a feature that turns it off. 

 

For your second retort, it seems that we have different information bubbles. I've not heard a single person try to criticize SoV under the charge of a simplistic storyline, and it's honestly a silly criticism to begin with in my opinion. I'd rather have a solid story that tells the tale its wants to tell and ends, rather than a roller coaster story that leaves a dozen plotholes.  But back to the main point, the fact that it received little praise is still moot. The game itself was mediocre quality, and only by marketing different versions of the game to different sides of the audience was Fates able to sell. Does Nintendo care to rectify the rift? Probably not, but they can't just ignore one side over the other, or form some complicated compromise that risks making everyone unhappy. That would kill the series for sure. Plus, a FE game takes about 2 years to make, so 4 years would be standard for Nintendo development time. And we two games every 4 years rather than just one, so it's not a bad deal when you think about it. 

 

Doing remakes should be fine as long as the game is expanded from the original to make it more alive. 

 

For this part of the post, I'm going to keep this a family friendly as possible. Ever since the 1960's, entertainment media has become more and more liberal. Many games and shows the air today would never be acceptable just 30-40 years ago. Yet, many people are fine with it now, because they have grown up with an avant garde media that only gets more so with time. Think of how to boil a frog. If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. However, if you throw a frog into cool water, and gradually turn up the heat, the frog will stay in the water to boil to its death. Kids today are born in "water" that is already boiling quite fiercely, and is only bound to get more so in time. Therefore, I'm confident that in 10-20 years, teenagers will not care if Nintendo games are literally nothing but porn and gore. In fact, depraved content may be desired by teenagers in the future as they want to perceive themselves as being "adult-ish." I was certainly like that when I was younger. I can't imagine I'm alone in this. 

 

And I have a feeling not many parents will care either, as they too will have grown up with a depraved media. 

 

Basically, I was thinking the same thing you were thinking. I cringe at the thought hardcore fans going autist LARP mode, and hunting out people who disagree with them to give them "a true taste of the Fire Emblem's spirit" i.e. try to hurt them. Or maybe, they go even further and hold RL rallies for hardcore fans of the series so they can spit on the "filthy casuals". A lot of crazy and cringey sh*t may unfold if this rift gets too bad. 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, ElectiveToast said:

I don't think Nintendo would have to go that far in the gore or the sex, and from what I heard most people actually wanted the skinship to stay in the localization, and got mad at NoA's censorship policy. Yes, I'm sure there were certain people who didn't like skinship, but from a business standpoint it's not sound to displease the majority for the sake of the minority. Blood in VG is pretty much just a particle effect anyway, so it's not like Nintendo can't add a feature that turns it off. 

 

For your second retort, it seems that we have different information bubbles. I've not heard a single person try to criticize SoV under the charge of a simplistic storyline, and it's honestly a silly criticism to begin with in my opinion. I'd rather have a solid story that tells the tale its wants to tell and ends, rather than a roller coaster story that leaves a dozen plotholes.  

I mean, to be fair I can't say for sure how much this community would be accepting of more mature visuals. Perhaps you're right, and it would work out just fine. That being said, I'm pretty sure most people wanted skinship in out of principle, rather than because they thought it was a good feature. Beyond the creepy factor, and though we did lose quite a bit of characterization through its removal, it was also pretty redundant after a few times. I'd know, I imported BR

We really might. I pretty much hang out in places where people complain the most, for... some reason. Also I was referring to the gameplay, though I've seen the plot being criticized quite a bit as well.

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5 minutes ago, Cysx said:

That being said, I'm pretty sure most people wanted skinship in out of principle, rather than because they thought it was a good feature. Beyond the creepy factor, and though we did lose quite a bit of characterization through its removal, it was also pretty redundant after a few times. I'd know, I imported BR

If anything made us lose out on characterization it was the idiotic script edits by NoA, but that's a dead horse well beaten so no more needs to be said.

I was in that camp too. I found the skinship creepy and unnecessary but the fact that people who genuinely liked it were missing out bothered me.

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I really love the pre-release theories. I think FE14 was the most memorable, people thought that Ryoma, Xander and Azura were perhaps the ancestors of FE13 people. There was so much hype theories and speculative fan art. That's why I want even a morsel of info, that we can pick at over and over. :D

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3 hours ago, Dreamyboi said:

This right here is my biggest problem with this big wait. It's less the fact that we have to wait, but more the fact that during the wait we're getting NOTHING.

I can completely understand a trailer or something bigger taking a long time to make, but NOTHING has been shown. Not even something small.

^This, at least give an update to how the game is going, what to expect, some little tidbits etc none of which they did for an entire year and still counting. I honestly wish they hold on the announcement back in last January if they weren't "ready" to show anything. (If something does show this month all fine and dandy but point still stands).

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If this game did get delayed into Fall like POI mentioned then all the silence makes sense. Nintendo has been releasing info about games closer and closer to release for a bit now, and even they might be regretting talking about the Switch game when they did. Although at the same time they might have felt forced to do so what with FEH's release and a Gaiden remake on the 3DS. Mobile games always make a fanbase uneasy and worried about the future of the series, and the remake could have led to speculations similar to what @Glennstavos said.

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Perhaps they expected to have it finished sooner, but something came up? I just hope the silence means that this one's gonna be a really ambitious title for the series. 

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37 minutes ago, kiaxxl said:

Perhaps they expected to have it finished sooner, but something came up? I just hope the silence means that this one's gonna be a really ambitious title for the series. 

Let's just hope they know how to manage the ambition this time, or we might end up with another Fates situation.

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I don't know if getting info of this games closer to release would be good marketingwise especially if its last minute(unless we get a FE16 focused direct). I hope info surfaces as soon as possible before release to finally gain notice not only the bigger general audience but to new players to boost sales. Also I honestly I have a feeling this game won't be anything too special than what we're used to in Awakening-Fates in full HD, much bigger world building wise, more new "features", actual better narrative(look at Fates story) and longer length not to say its bad since it obviously sells and obviously making them lots of money. (Plus I love those games anyway! :p)

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Just now, Captain Vulgar said:

Inb4 we still see nothing though

As much as I'd hate to disappoint everyone(myself included) once more... I'm pretty much positive that we will.

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