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1 hour ago, LuxSpes said:

If they want Arvis to counter Sigurd, I think it's more likely that they'll give Valflame the ability to ignore passive, non stat increasing, skills rather than downgrade every skill, since the later is way too over complicated. Sigurd would still get the +3 res from Tyrfing, but it's other passive effect and Crusader's Ward would be nullified.

My original thought was to have him use a skill that negates other skills that directly affect combat, but he doesn't have Nihil in genealogy (it's a Tellius-games exclusive skill) so it wouldn't suit the lore. Now, one could also say that M!Corrin and Sophia NOT being weak to Falchion; Lachesis being unable to attack at range 1; Faye being an archer; and blue tomes not being effective vs Wyverns are also bullsh*t, but Heroes does at least try to stay faithful to the original games in most cases.

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9 minutes ago, The_antithesis said:

My original thought was to have him use a skill that negates other skills that directly affect combat, but he doesn't have Nihil in genealogy (it's a Tellius-games exclusive skill) so it wouldn't suit the lore. Now, one could also say that M!Corrin and Sophia NOT being weak to Falchion; Lachesis being unable to attack at range 1; Faye being an archer; and blue tomes not being effective vs Wyverns are also bullsh*t, but Heroes does at least try to stay faithful to the original games in most cases.

ayra has nihil, so the tellius-exclusive statement is invalid

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11 minutes ago, The_antithesis said:

My original thought was to have him use a skill that negates other skills that directly affect combat, but he doesn't have Nihil in genealogy (it's a Tellius-games exclusive skill) so it wouldn't suit the lore. Now, one could also say that M!Corrin and Sophia NOT being weak to Falchion; Lachesis being unable to attack at range 1; Faye being an archer; and blue tomes not being effective vs Wyverns are also bullsh*t, but Heroes does at least try to stay faithful to the original games in most cases.

He does have Nihil in Genealogy, it's called Awareness in some fan-translations. 

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22 minutes ago, silveraura25 said:

ayra has nihil, so the tellius-exclusive statement is invalid

17 minutes ago, Medeus said:

He does have Nihil in Genealogy, it's called Awareness in some fan-translations. 

Oops.

And that shows just how little I know! In that case, Arvis will have the new skill: Nihil 1/2/3 (During combat, negates all other skills that directly affect combat at HP>=100%/50%/0%)

This would nullify: all B skills except poison strike; all A skills that are conditional (blows, steady stance etc.); all C skills except pre-combat buffs; all weapon skills except their might increasing Atk, CYL weapons increasing a stat by 3, and range allowing counterattacks; and all special skills except AOEs and galeforce. Cue fury Arvis with a Mt 16 Valflame and hone/fortify armour buffs tearing up the arena!

...And he still gets counterattacked by Faye.

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I don't think Nihil would affect skills which raise the core stats displayed outside combat (e.g. Atk+3, HP+5, the CYL weapon stat boosts), since that's both unintuitive (there's no easy way to see unequipped stats during battle) and not something Nihil did in Tellius (e.g. Crit+X skills weren't touched). That said, otherwise it seems very possible, and a good way around Sigurd's magic resistance..

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If they keep handing out empowered olde Legendary weapons they should give a way or means to upgrade the olde Legendary weapons on those characters imho. I know its all about the money because it gets people spending orbs, but for pepole that built up characters like Julia/Seliph/Eliwood with love, there should be an option to upgrade their weapons to the status of the new units with the update when those new units arrive. Either by directly building in a new stage of that weapon so they can learn it, or by allowing them to inherit that legendary weapon from those new units. (i would opt for the later option) It would only be the fairest thing IMHO

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31 minutes ago, Hilda said:

If they keep handing out empowered olde Legendary weapons they should give a way or means to upgrade the olde Legendary weapons on those characters imho. I know its all about the money because it gets people spending orbs, but for pepole that built up characters like Julia/Seliph/Eliwood with love, there should be an option to upgrade their weapons to the status of the new units with the update when those new units arrive. Either by directly building in a new stage of that weapon so they can learn it, or by allowing them to inherit that legendary weapon from those new units. (i would opt for the later option) It would only be the fairest thing IMHO

I agree with you.  I fully trained Seliph and he was the biggest help in my early game, but now his dad will so OP him it is not funny.  Letting wielders of the same weapon SI that same weapon from another unit makes total sense.  

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I'm so hopeful that they'll do something for Seliph. Any other personal weapon would help him more than his Tyrfing. If Seliph really can inherit Sigurd's weapon, then I might actually try to pull Sigurd as well.

Edit: @Zeo Other than Tailtiu, Ayra is the one I'm most excited for. Which is why I'm so glad she'll almost certainly be a free unit, so I don't have to worry about getting Sigurd in her place.

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FE4 Nihil was basically just Heroes Guard, means to block crits and related effects. He could certainly have a skill that stops his damage from being reduced (whether as a passive or as Valflame's effect), but it wouldn't have much to do with his FE4 skillset.

Speaking of how much Heroes skillsets have to do with base games... In Heroes, Dierdre has Quick Riposte, which gives her guaranteed double attacks. In FE4, Dierdre does not have Pursuit or any other skill to allow her to get multiple attacks, and even if she got one through like the Pursuit Ring, she's locked to a weapon with 20 Mt, putting her effective base Speed at -8. Also that weapon, the only weapon she gets to use throughout FE4, is Aura. She never uses Naga, and if she ever had access to it, it'd be a pretty huge deal plot-wise. And despite all that, it was still pretty predictable that she'd get Naga in Heroes, because that's just how Heroes does things, even if it doesn't fit the original game.

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6 minutes ago, Othin said:

Speaking of how much Heroes skillsets have to do with base games... In Heroes, Dierdre has Quick Riposte, which gives her guaranteed double attacks. In FE4, Dierdre does not have Pursuit or any other skill to allow her to get multiple attacks, and even if she got one through like the Pursuit Ring, she's locked to a weapon with 20 Mt, putting her effective base Speed at -8. Also that weapon, the only weapon she gets to use throughout FE4, is Aura. She never uses Naga, and if she ever had access to it, it'd be a pretty huge deal plot-wise. And despite all that, it was still pretty predictable that she'd get Naga in Heroes, because that's just how Heroes does things, even if it doesn't fit the original game.

Deirdre seems to have the same treatment that Elincia had last banner: sacrificing fully accurate character portrayal for a strong base kit. I miss the days when characters like Virion would get Defiant Resistance, just because it's a silly pun on his role in Awakening...

Also the Naga thing seriously bothers me. I'm far more annoyed by that than Sigurd's Tyrfing being more interesting than Seliph's.

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4 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

That pun doesn't exist in Japanese where the skill is called "Awakening of Magic Defense".

But it has Awakening in the name!

I figured, but I can't see why they would've given him that skill otherwise. Other than "someone should have it, so might as well be him".

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7 minutes ago, DefaultBeep said:

But it has Awakening in the name!

I figured, but I can't see why they would've given him that skill otherwise. Other than "someone should have it, so might as well be him".

Est has it. And Seal Speed as well- just like Virion strangely enough.

Maybe they went with Naga as well because if Deirdre had Divine Aura, there would already be 3 Auras in the game.

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If Ninian can get a dragonstone, Diadora can get Naga.

I'm also not seeing why Alvis at all needs to be able to counter Sigurd. According to my vague memories of FE4, Sigurd got done in by the Rotritter's Meteor, not Alvis's Falaflame.

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1 minute ago, mcsilas said:

Est has it. And Seal Speed as well- just like Virion strangely enough.

Maybe they went with Naga as well because if Deirdre had Divine Aura, there would already be 3 Auras in the game.

Yeah, but most skills have more than one unit that has them, so I guess Virion was just the second one to have it for whatever reason. At least Est even has respectable Res, so it makes more sense for her to get an increase in it, even if she can't counterattack most units that target Res. Maybe that was their thought when they gave it to Virion? Because he can counterattack mages? I feel like even in the base game though, most mages would one-shot Virion before he could even get a chance to use his A skill.

The Seal Speed is weird, though. Are they trying to say something about Virion's lineage?

I can appreciate Deirdre getting Naga in one sense: more Manakete-effective green weapons. We have so many Falchion users now, so another Naga user is admittedly a nice change of pace.

1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said:

I'm also not seeing why Alvis at all needs to be able to counter Sigurd. According to my vague memories of FE4, Sigurd got done in by the Rotritter's Meteor, not Alvis's Falaflame.

I think most people just remember the meme as "Arvis's Great Balhalla BBQ", so if they haven't played or read about FE4 much, a weapon with "flame" in the name seems like the cause of said BBQ. As much as I joke about it, I don't expect Arvis to be particularly great against Sigurd, especially since they didn't even truly fight in FE4.

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1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said:

If Ninian can get a dragonstone, Diadora can get Naga.

I'm also not seeing why Alvis at all needs to be able to counter Sigurd. According to my vague memories of FE4, Sigurd got done in by the Rotritter's Meteor, not Alvis's Falaflame.

Ninian is a good example. Both her and Dierdre got cool weapons they'd hypothetically be able to use even though they couldn't do it in their own games. And a lot of people predicted both of those, because from the start, Heroes has been doing stuff that's messy story-wise to justify the fun of shoving a bunch of characters from throughout the series together and having them do cool stuff.

You're wrong about Sigurd, though. The Meteor spells hit his army, but Arvis was the one to hit Sigurd himself.

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5 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

If Ninian can get a dragonstone, Diadora can get Naga.

I'm also not seeing why Alvis at all needs to be able to counter Sigurd. According to my vague memories of FE4, Sigurd got done in by the Rotritter's Meteor, not Alvis's Falaflame.

I thought Alvis personally killed Sigurd while his Rotritters dealt with Sigurds companions. At the very least I'm sure Alvis is basicly standing right in front of Sigurd when he dies. I'd have to rewatch the scene to be sure though.

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14 minutes ago, DefaultBeep said:

Yeah, but most skills have more than one unit that has them, so I guess Virion was just the second one to have it for whatever reason. At least Est even has respectable Res, so it makes more sense for her to get an increase in it, even if she can't counterattack most units that target Res. Maybe that was their thought when they gave it to Virion? Because he can counterattack mages? I feel like even in the base game though, most mages would one-shot Virion before he could even get a chance to use his A skill.

The Seal Speed is weird, though. Are they trying to say something about Virion's lineage?

I can appreciate Deirdre getting Naga in one sense: more Manakete-effective green weapons. We have so many Falchion users now, so another Naga user is admittedly a nice change of pace.

I think most people just remember the meme as "Arvis's Great Balhalla BBQ", so if they haven't played or read about FE4 much, a weapon with "flame" in the name seems like the cause of said BBQ. As much as I joke about it, I don't expect Arvis to be particularly great against Sigurd, especially since they didn't even truly fight in FE4.

That Virion can be annoying in high amounts like Est?

It was more the fact those two strangely have the exact same default skillset (not counting assist/special), even though Virion specialises in Seal Speed while Est unlocks Defiant Resistance in 4 star.

You know, it's strangely ironic that we get another Dragon-effective weapon after the Dragon's Blood VG. I guess if they did have the banner before the VG ended people would be rushing to train Deirdre to make VG battles with bonus dragon units more annoying

 

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18 minutes ago, mcsilas said:

That Virion can be annoying in high amounts like Est?

It was more the fact those two strangely have the exact same default skillset (not counting assist/special), even though Virion specialises in Seal Speed while Est unlocks Defiant Resistance in 4 star.

You know, it's strangely ironic that we get another Dragon-effective weapon after the Dragon's Blood VG. I guess if they did have the banner before the VG ended people would be rushing to train Deirdre to make VG battles with bonus dragon units more annoying

 

I bet Abel wouldn't mind

...That was meant to be a joke, but then it got kinda sad when I remembered their FE3/FE12 ending. Sorry Abel :(

Now that you mention it, I'm very glad I didn't run into many Julias during the VG, especially when I was using Nowi and Ninian for points. And I feel even more glad that I set Julia as my own lead, so that the other team would have to deal with her >:)

 

To stay on topic, I'm so excited for the reset in a few hours. I haven't been this hyped for a banner since... ever, really. Maybe the two Siblings banners, when they managed to represent almost all of my favorite casts in two short banners (and didn't let me pull any of them, might I add).

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4 minutes ago, DefaultBeep said:

I bet Abel wouldn't mind

...That was meant to be a joke, but then it got kinda sad when I remembered their FE3/FE12 ending. Sorry Abel :(

Now that you mention it, I'm very glad I didn't run into many Julias during the VG, especially when I was using Nowi and Ninian for points. And I feel even more glad that I set Julia as my own lead, so that the other team would have to deal with her >:)

 

To stay on topic, I'm so excited for the reset in a few hours. I haven't been this hyped for a banner since... ever, really. Maybe the two Siblings banners, when they managed to represent almost all of my favorite casts in two short banners (and didn't let me pull any of them, might I add).

I just hope I get at least one of them in a TT really is coming on the horizon.

Normally I'd just go for the limited banner but having no 40% bonus unit is just so annoying. I really wish they gave us the calendar just so I can plan my summons/orb budget better

Just waiting for the update/datamine to confirm who I should hunt first. Deirdre is gorgeous though and may make up for my lack of Julia.

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1 minute ago, mcsilas said:

I just hope I get at least one of them in a TT really is coming on the horizon.

Normally I'd just go for the limited banner but having no 40% bonus unit is just so annoying. I really wish they gave us the calendar just so I can plan my summons/orb budget better

Just waiting for the update/datamine to confirm who I should hunt first. Deirdre is gorgeous though and may make up for my lack of Julia.

I'm praying that either Seliph or Julia are +40% bonus units. I'll be spending every orb I can on this banner regardless, but starting out with the best bonus would be nice (especially since I put every orb I could into the Crimean banner and still never got any of them).

I miss the calendar too. If it wasn't for that leaker from a while ago, I probably would've kept going on the PA banner even after I got Olivia (who I luckily now have), but since I knew this was coming, I was at least able to save a little for it.

Whether Tailtiu has good stats or not will decide who I go for. Specifically, I want her to have more Spd than Mae, who is my only infantry blue mage so far; if Tailtiu has 32 Spd or more, I can give her LaD3, Speed +3 seal, and even Summoner Support if necessary, and then she'll be at a nice 42 Spd, good for a Desperation -blade mage to have. If her stats are more similar to Sanaki, then... I'd rather just wait, since she'll probably drop to 4-star after this banner, and I'm not as big a fan of the slow mages.

I'm in the opposite boat compared to most, it seems; I have Julia (+1, because I was blessed to get a +Atk/-Res one immediately after getting a +HP/-Atk one), so Deirdre is a bit less enticing. She'd still be great to have though, so if Tailtiu doesn't look as interesting as I'm hoping she will, then I'll be going for Deirdre right off the bat.

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*makes ritualistic runes in the shape of Tutorial!Anna's face* May everyone be blessed by multiple Tailtiu, Deirdre and Sigurd and avoid getting spooked by bad IV off-banner five stars.

 

please rng give me a break after not giving me any green dancers and the disaster that was the Elincia Hunt i just want the two precious violet haired mages

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