The age of Brave Lyn is over. The time of the dragons has come!

[Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi]

Well, technically, Firesweep+ Cancel Affinity Brave Lyn doesn't have any real hard counter, but there are ways to work around her, I guess.

[Arthur97]

3 hours ago, Charmeleonbrah said:

As the topic creator, I'm a little disappointed no one has commented on my LotR reference in the title. 

Here's my take on your debate: all four CYL units at the time of release were very powerful; the #1's Ike and Lyn were S+ tier, and Lucina/Roy were S tier.  Arguing that the runner-ups were screwed is silly; Lancina is the best infantry hone in the game and is a very good melee unit, and Roy is the best sword cavalry unit, with a great default skillset.  As far as the  "well I have X unit to counter Y unit so Y unit is meh" argument goes, what unit DOESN'T have a counter?

You guys are missing the real difference between B! Lyn and B! Lucina; Lyn's artwork is much hotter.  Her thighs are 10/10, and also gets boob armor and cute boots.

I won't deny the power of her thighs, but her artwork isn't too different from her normal. It's even the same artist. As far as pure art goes, I think Roy's might be the best done, but they were all blessed with good art.

[bottlegnomes]

10 hours ago, Arthur97 said:

I won't deny the power of her thighs, but her artwork isn't too different from her normal. It's even the same artist. As far as pure art goes, I think Roy's might be the best done, but they were all blessed with good art.

Roy's art is quite nice and is IMO the biggest improvement from default art. I quite like Ike's but I think I actually like regular Ike's better just a tad. I like Lucina's regular a little better too. Lyn's, I like her brave artwork much more. But all three of those are just because I like the outfits better. As far as quality of art goes, I'd say they're all probably about equal. For Roy's not only is his outfit way better, but the art also seems much better in my admittedly amateurish opinion.

[Arthur97]

21 minutes ago, bottlegnomes said:

Roy's art is quite nice and is IMO the biggest improvement from default art. I quite like Ike's but I think I actually like regular Ike's better just a tad. I like Lucina's regular a little better too. Lyn's, I like her brave artwork much more. But all three of those are just because I like the outfits better. As far as quality of art goes, I'd say they're all probably about equal. For Roy's not only is his outfit way better, but the art also seems much better in my admittedly amateurish opinion.

Roy definitely wins in the improvement area. As for outfit, it's either between him or Lucina for me. Ike's is good, but I'm not a fan of that massive pauldron, and Lyn's just seems so underwhelming. It's essentially her normal one with some ornamental knickknacks added and some boob armor (yes, I know it's a real thing that archers would wear, but it's still boob armor). Another nice touch is that (I think, I would need to check Ike and Roy's) is that all of them but Lyn are drawn by their original game's artist, and unlike some, I really like Awakening's art style (but most people are probably tired of seeing me talk about Lucina and I even get tired of typing her name so I went with Roy).

Edited December 15, 2017 by Arthur97

[Folt]

Meh. I just gave my finished project (Summoner S-Supported) M!Robin a refined Keen Blárwolf+ and I haven't had any trouble from BLyn the entire last week, and the current week.

And thanks to Distant Defence 3 Seal, he still baits other bows fine. (41 effective Defence on enemy phase, yay!)

[Prototype Angel]

I’ve never found Brave Lyn a problem because of her low defence. Dragons on the other hand with there great mixed bulk and new weapon upgrade....  present more of a challenge. But challenge is what keeps you on your toes!

[Prototype Angel]

15 hours ago, bottlegnomes said:

Roy's art is quite nice and is IMO the biggest improvement from default art. I quite like Ike's but I think I actually like regular Ike's better just a tad. I like Lucina's regular a little better too. Lyn's, I like her brave artwork much more. But all three of those are just because I like the outfits better. As far as quality of art goes, I'd say they're all probably about equal. For Roy's not only is his outfit way better, but the art also seems much better in my admittedly amateurish opinion.

I loved Braves Ike’s artwork because it felt like it more closely resembled his older appearance in Radiant Dawn. You all remember Radiant Dawn don’t you? Because IS seem to have forgotten about it ?

[GinRei]

1 hour ago, Folt said:

Meh. I just gave my finished project (Summoner S-Supported) M!Robin a refined Keen Blárwolf+ and I haven't had any trouble from BLyn the entire last week, and the current week.

And thanks to Distant Defence 3 Seal, he still baits other bows fine. (41 effective Defence on enemy phase, yay!)

I actually saw a female Robin version of this in the arena yesterday.  For fun I looked to see how hard Lyn would hit her, and she would've barely done anything.  That's when I realized she had like 37 base defense (was a +5 merge, and I think had Water Blessing but can't remember) AND had Distance Defense seal.  Didn't even need Bowbreaker.

[Folt]

4 hours ago, GinRei said:

I actually saw a female Robin version of this in the arena yesterday.  For fun I looked to see how hard Lyn would hit her, and she would've barely done anything.  That's when I realized she had like 37 base defense (was a +5 merge, and I think had Water Blessing but can't remember) AND had Distance Defense seal.  Didn't even need Bowbreaker.

It's great, really. My M!Robin is +Spd/-Res so his stats as a +10 5* with Summoner Support is 49/35/38/35/25. He packs Keen Blárwolf+ refined to ignore Cavalry boosts and has Close Counter and Quick Riposte. Most BLyns die to this Robin, as does most versions of other horse units who isn't green, including "I decrease all magic hits by 50, and then by 80 percent if you double me" Sigurd. And he also tackles most other swordies (and a good part of some other Bow units as well).

He's married to Performance Arts Azura too, so with her on the field, I can potentially up that Atk, Spd, Def, and Res by 3-5 more. And this Azur also has Drive Atk 2 for another flat +3 boost to Atk as well (that isn't affected by Panic).

I have also recently added Siegbert (+Spd/-Atk, actually does very well in the arena with this nature because SPEED) to my team. With Atk tactics and Keen Blárwolf+, Robin can reach 53 Atk before Drive Atk is taken into account and Siegbert deals with all those pesky greens that Robin can't deal with. So I'm very glad that I stuck with Robin as my blue mage.

[bottlegnomes]

6 hours ago, Prototype Angel said:

I loved Braves Ike’s artwork because it felt like it more closely resembled his older appearance in Radiant Dawn. You all remember Radiant Dawn don’t you? Because IS seem to have forgotten about it ?

You think? When I first saw it, I thought it was his lord artwork before I realized it was Greil's clothes. I still quite like the artwork, but I would've preferred if they'd just added Greil in (like that'll ever happen). I'd love some RD acknowledgement. There are so many characters from there that I'd like to see. I also really wish they'd ever acknowledge Ike's lord outfit. That's hands down my favorite of his.

[Prototype Angel]

19 hours ago, bottlegnomes said:

You think? When I first saw it, I thought it was his lord artwork before I realized it was Greil's clothes. I still quite like the artwork, but I would've preferred if they'd just added Greil in (like that'll ever happen). I'd love some RD acknowledgement. There are so many characters from there that I'd like to see. I also really wish they'd ever acknowledge Ike's lord outfit. That's hands down my favorite of his.

Yeah, don’t you think his face looks older in his brave appearance? The young mercenary Ike looks very young, but looking at some pictures from the game, I forget how young Ike really looked in Path of Radiance.

[bottlegnomes]

6 minutes ago, Prototype Angel said:

Yeah, don’t you think his face looks older in his brave appearance? The young mercenary Ike looks very young, but looking at some pictures from the game, I forget how young Ike really looked in Path of Radiance.

Looking at them more, I can see what you mean, especially in the attack illustrations. He also looks more physically imposing than regular Ike. I wonder if those were intentional or more quirks of the artists' styles. Or if they were a mix of both and how much if so.

On a weird side note, does anyone else find themselves liking character's injured portraits the most fairly consistently?

Edited December 16, 2017 by bottlegnomes

[Prototype Angel]

11 minutes ago, bottlegnomes said:

Looking at them more, I can see what you mean, especially in the attack illustrations. He also looks more physically imposing than regular Ike. I wonder if those were intentional or more quirks of the artists' styles. Or if they were a mix of both and how much if so.

On a weird side note, does anyone else find themselves liking character's injured portraits the most fairly consistently?

Some of the injured art looks awesome, some borderline pornographic ? I like how Sonya has to hold her boobs in her injured art (maybe she lost what was keeping them in), and Fjorm looks like she’s enjoying herself waaaay much.

However I saw Dorcas’s injured art today and he looks downright ugly in it.

[bottlegnomes]

4 minutes ago, Prototype Angel said:

Some of the injured art looks awesome, some borderline pornographic ? I like how Sonya has to hold her boobs in her injured art (maybe she lost what was keeping them in), and Fjorm looks like she’s enjoying herself waaaay much.

However I saw Dorcas’s injured art today and he looks downright ugly in it.

Yeah, some of them get pretty risque. Summer Corrin especially comes to mind. Never saw Sonya's before, but that is rather humorous. I'm not a fan of Dorcas's art in general; I've never really been a fan of trying to make characters that were designed as animated and in a certain style more realistic.

[Prototype Angel]

1 minute ago, bottlegnomes said:

Yeah, some of them get pretty risque. Summer Corrin especially comes to mind. Never saw Sonya's before, but that is rather humorous. I'm not a fan of Dorcas's art in general; I've never really been a fan of trying to make characters that were designed as animated and in a certain style more realistic.

For you then.

[bottlegnomes]

@Prototype Angel Wow, yeah, she's just like "Oh, crap, there goes my top."

[SoulWeaver]

On December 16, 2017 at 3:52 PM, bottlegnomes said:

On a weird side note, does anyone else find themselves liking character's injured portraits the most fairly consistently?

I find Regular Roy's injured pose to look better than his normal attack, in part because it gives off this final-battle-esque feel. Catria's isn't too bad either, and then there's the Black Knight, who looks like he's saying "You thought THIS would bother me? Come at me again, bro, and I'll see if I can't change your mind."