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New characters who could (canonically) fill rare gameplay niches


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So let's talk about rare color+weapon+movement combinations. As you know, some of them have extremely low amount of representatives. So far Cecilia is the only green cavalry mage and Fae is the only green breath. Obviously, every niche could be filled with limited alt versions of popular characters but lets talk about characters who had their abilities in canon.

For example, L'Arachel and Arthur (FE4) can be new green cavalry tomes. L'Arachel is a good candidate for a wielder of Ivaldi and Arthur gets a horse on promotion and always starts with Wind tome. Of course, they both might end up blue since Ivaldi also could be a blue tome or she gets Latona instead and Arthur starts with higher rank in Thunder magic. But those two will be huge missed opportunities.

There are also some niches that have a bunch of candidates but probably won't get filled soon for whatever reason (mounted archer).  Character popularity is also important because I  could see Lex (FE4) and Kieran (Tellius) getting in but doubt we'll ever see someone like Brighton from FE5.

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Now that 2.0 added 5* staffs, including a legendary staff for Loki, I really think L'arachel should get Latona rather than Ivaldi. Turning it into a weapon would be a bit weird but still cool, and a legendary staff user is another gameplay niche not yet filled among played characters.

Kieran or Lex as a new axe cavalry would be very welcome.

I'm hoping Myrrh gets added as finally another green breath user. She could also be classified as a flier, which would be cool.

Azelle could be a red tome cavalry. Selena could be, too, or green for that matter, if they're willing to accept the confusion of her name. She uses Elfire and Bolting and has a Thunder affinity, but we don't need more blue tome cavalry and it's all flexible enough when it's lumped together under Anima. Arthur as green would be cool but his Thunder rank is highest unless Lewyn is his dad so I think it'd be hard to justify. Ilios is... also distinctively a thunder specialist. Dammit. Why'd they have to make Ursula and Bruno blue?

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Azelle is a good choice for a new red tome cavalry. Azelle being pretty fast in Fe4 would also help set him apart from the extremely slow Leo in heroes.

Ricken is another choice for a tome cavalry unit. Somewhere in the game its mentioned he has a fondness for wind magic so that makes him a good choice to be the game's second green tome cavalry unit..

A flying archer is an unique role that has yet to be taken, but I don't think there's anyone to fill that spot. Reina favours lances if I recall correctly and I doubt they'd even bother with her. She barely existed in Fates so she will never exist in heroes. Kiragi or notCordelia could be Kinshi knights too, but I have a feeling they would stay in their more conventional class.

 

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I feel like we've had this topic before, but alright. 

Sumia as a flying staff user, Aversa as a flying mage. Could also go with FE4 pegs as staff users.

Nomads, any of them. Wolf, Astrid, Midayle/Midur, anyone else can get in on this too, I don't know why we only have one playable horse-cavalry when the generic-enemy version has existed since the beginning of the game.

Since no one actually likes any of the FE4 Barons, can we just call Etzel an armored mage?

For armored bows, you have any of the FE12 generals, or Dalsin. Personally would pick Horace. 

As far as flying bow users go, that feels like it could be a mistake. But why not, can do Reina, Kiragi, Caeldori, a CYL-type version of Hinoka, Takumi, Tsubaki or Setsuna.

More tome cavalry, since its a rarity unless you're blue. Arthur works if he doesn't have thunder, Selena, LA'Rachel and Natasha if they don't use staves, Ewan, there's more but this paragraph is long enough. 

Can Moulder be an armored staff user?

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2 hours ago, Othin said:

Selena could be, too, or green for that matter, if they're willing to accept the confusion of her name. She uses Elfire and Bolting and has a Thunder affinity, but we don't need more blue tome cavalry and it's all flexible enough when it's lumped together under Anima.

They could always just re-localize her name, either sliding it over to Serena (realistically, half of the people who played FE8 probably wouldn't even notice this if they weren't already aware of the Selena/Selena thing) or giving her her Japanese name (i.e. Celina) back. As for her weapon type, it seems logical enough to make her a red tome cavalry with one of the Thunder-themed AoE specials; you get both of her attacks that way without making her an Ursula clone.

It's not ideal, but oh well. FE13 tried very had to tiptoe around similar-sounding names with the spotpass characters (and I half-suspect we may have lost Sety for this reason), so it's a shame that this happened.

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Laylea could be the next sword dancer, with the skill Charisma, making her a rally bot as well.

Sue, Shin, or Rath can be mounted archers.

Calill could be a Red Mage with some sort of Meteor skill or tome that's effective against units far away.

The 4 Elibe Refreshers can be the next Performing Arts Crew.

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6 hours ago, Rezzy said:

Don't mean to sound bitchy, but I started literally this topic a few days ago, and it just barely fell off the front page.  Link

Wow, sorry. I haven't visited this place for more than a week  and created this topic without checking new threads at all. I guess it would be better just to use your thread.

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8 hours ago, Othin said:

Now that 2.0 added 5* staffs, including a legendary staff for Loki, I really think L'arachel should get Latona rather than Ivaldi. Turning it into a weapon would be a bit weird but still cool, and a legendary staff user is another gameplay niche not yet filled among played characters.

Kieran or Lex as a new axe cavalry would be very welcome.

I'm hoping Myrrh gets added as finally another green breath user. She could also be classified as a flier, which would be cool.

Azelle could be a red tome cavalry. Selena could be, too, or green for that matter, if they're willing to accept the confusion of her name. She uses Elfire and Bolting and has a Thunder affinity, but we don't need more blue tome cavalry and it's all flexible enough when it's lumped together under Anima. Arthur as green would be cool but his Thunder rank is highest unless Lewyn is his dad so I think it'd be hard to justify. Ilios is... also distinctively a thunder specialist. Dammit. Why'd they have to make Ursula and Bruno blue?

I agree with this. We really need finally a legendary staff user... its really depressing seeing so many legendary weapons on other units, ecxept for staves. the same applies to dagger units, they only got one legendary dagger.... Legendary weapons make unit builts that more interesting

Aside from this i think we need some new type of healers, that can fill a different niche. Flying Healers for example could be amazing due to no movement restrictions and the ability to add mobility to units with Guidance or Flying Formation (to themself), to balance this out their BST should be a bit lower then the Cavalry Healers.
As for an armored healer... i would wait and see first how the new armor skills affect gameplay

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18 hours ago, Carter said:

I think Rath would be good for a bow cavalry, and Aversa would be good for a flying tome user (possibly blue?). Also, I know she's not very popular, but Reina could be good for a flying bow user.

I think Aversa would be a Red Unit since she wields the Goetia which it's a Dark Tome.

But, other than that, I would like to see Rath, Sin, Sue, and Dayan as a Bow Cavalry Unit, Reina as a Flying Biw User, Reptor, Bloom, and Generation 2 Arvis as a Armored Mage unit. I'm pretty sure the Generation 1 Arvis in the Grand Hero Battle isn't armored due to he turned Emperor class in Generation 2.

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Lex, Luchar, Brighton, Hicks, Kieran, and Duessel would be new axe cavaliers.

Rath, Midayle, Sue, Sin, Astrid, Lester, Wolf, and Sedgar could fill out the bow cavalier niche.

L'Arachel, Maribelle, Nanna, Ethlyn, Dwyer, and Forrest could be new staff cavaliers.

Julian, Dew, Chad, Legault, Volke, Heather, Sothe, Kaze, etc. could be new dagger users.

For mage knights, we have Selena (FE8), Illios, and possibly Arthur (FE8) and Azelle, as they do promote to mage knight.

We lack wyvern riders, so Haar, Miledy, Jill, Cormag, Heath, Vaida, Zeiss, Dean, Eda, Altena or Gerome would be welcome additions.

We need more axe units in general, so Boyd, Bord, Cord, Nolan, Dart, Geitz, Dozla, Lucharba, Orsin, etc. would be nice.

We also need more armor knights, so Oswin, Wallace, Gilliam, Dalsin, Gatrie, Brom, Kellam, Kjelle, Benny, Bors, etc. would be good.

Also, more dancers/bards like Phina, Nils, Larum, Elffin, Lara, Sylvia, Lene, Tethys, Reyson, Leanne, or Rafiel please.

This may be controversial, but I want more healers like Lena, Marisha, Silque, Tatiana, Edain, Lana, Elen, Laura, Saul, Rhys, Claud, etc. would be cool.

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Isthar is most certainly needed. My reasoning: Thunder mages that are on their foot are practically non-existent, and also Isthar is our goddess.

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Kieran for new axe cavalry please! He could also do with a high high attack stat, with good def, low res, and decent speed. Basically like Frederick, but with a focus more on his attack than his def or HP and slightly higher speed.

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9 hours ago, Erren said:

We lack in Green Dragons, yes. Where in the world is Myrrh?

What about Mage Armored Units like Lyon? Arvis was a missed opportunity for this.

 

I think they are saveing the special unit types for seasonal banners. Hence why Arvis was not an armored nuker. I mean they need some incentiv to get people to pull on seasonal banners.

They prolly complete the nukeing Armorers with Valentines day/Easter Seasonal banners.

After that they will prolly start introducing Flying Archers, Flying Dancers, and Cavalry Dancers (the doom for everyone) in seasonal units, or introduce Flying Dragonstone users or whatever.

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Just some random thoughts:

  • Staff units
    • Lena with Warp as an assist skill
    • Yumina with Rescue (the staff kind) as an assist skill
    • Elice and some kind of one time per battle revival shenanigan
    • ... maybe if locked doors/gates are introduced Tina could have the unlock staff as a skill
  • Player ballista units may not be a good idea but Jake or Beck could serve the niche. Maybe lock range to 3 with 1 move.
  • Myrrh flying manakete(breath) unit. Maybe an FE3 version inspired Tiki can be one too.
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3 hours ago, donkeykhang said:

 

    • ... maybe if locked doors/gates are introduced Tina could have the unlock staff as a skill
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That would be pretty cool. Not doors though, but treasure chests that only the dagger-users could open.

Prizes would need to be small though, like a few shards, a dozen feathers or badges (perhaps with a rare chance of getting something better) but it would be a new cool incentive to use these units on maps. 

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Doors would be kind of cool. You could take 2 or 3 attacks or something to break through it or have someone unlock it and be through faster. It'd be niche, but it might give dagger units something to do beside be bad at combat and debuff.

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8 hours ago, Hilda said:

I think they are saveing the special unit types for seasonal banners. Hence why Arvis was not an armored nuker. I mean they need some incentiv to get people to pull on seasonal banners.

They prolly complete the nukeing Armorers with Valentines day/Easter Seasonal banners.

After that they will prolly start introducing Flying Archers, Flying Dancers, and Cavalry Dancers (the doom for everyone) in seasonal units, or introduce Flying Dragonstone users or whatever.

Flying dancer is already here in the New Year's banner.  But I agree special unit types seem to be seasonal locked sadly. 

There need to be more green units, Kieran could fill the void of a green horse unit who can take out other horses if they give him the poleaxe.   Myrrh could fill the void of only one green dragon.  Sothe could have the first prf. dagger with Bastlard.  Kaze could have Kaze's Needle as a prf. dagger as well.

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2 hours ago, EricaofRenais said:

Flying dancer is already here in the New Year's banner.  But I agree special unit types seem to be seasonal locked sadly. 

There need to be more green units, Kieran could fill the void of a green horse unit who can take out other horses if they give him the poleaxe.   Myrrh could fill the void of only one green dragon.  Sothe could have the first prf. dagger with Bastlard.  Kaze could have Kaze's Needle as a prf. dagger as well.

Isn't Jaffar's personal?

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