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30 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Not for my Robin. Male Robin needs the power creep. 

Christmas Robin though...

3 minutes ago, JDraks said:

Lucina's popularity is mostly due to being a waifu and Smash IMO; Chrom lacks both.

1. She was popular before Smash.

2. She's not just a waifu.

3. Chrom did get Smash memes.

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1 minute ago, Arthur97 said:

1. She was popular before Smash.

2. She's not just a waifu.

3. Chrom did get Smash memes.

Sure, she was. But to say Smash didn't hugely benefit her popularity is just wrong. She's not just a waifu, but it's also undeniable to say that much of her popularity came from being one; really, what about her character would make her so popular? She's really just a generic time traveler, seeing as her personality is pretty dry, and she (Lucina, not "Marth") doesn't really have plot importance. And Chrom barely got any Smash memes, really just the fact that he didn't get in; the average Smash player won't care about him like they do Ike, Marth, Lucina, or Robin.

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5 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

Christmas Robin though...

1. She was popular before Smash.

2. She's not just a waifu.

3. Chrom did get Smash memes.

Yes, but its a seasonal unit. What I want is for Robin to come in with his Tactician clothes and show everyone why he is awesome. Only the original Robin has that, and it bothers me that as good of a unit he is capable of being, the balanced stats hurts him for the amount of points he had gotten. So he gets overwhelmed very easily. 

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17 minutes ago, Lushen said:

How about including him in FE Warriors?  How about being one of the original 5*'s in FEH with the whole unique cut-scenes and all?  And Caeda has a seasonal.  Also, they made another Marth game - New Mystery of the Emblem only 8 years ago.  And he's in Smash.  Ephraim has been neglected far more than Marth, Marth gets a ton of love from IS.

I was speaking of his Heroes representation.  I definitely agree with you, but I bet that IS is already planning to put out another SS summon event. If it helps, I'll make a 4th account and give him 7 more votes.

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2 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

What? They left out the sinner whose crimes begat the travails of Tellius? 

If they are going to include a spot for generic faceless representative of bandit bosses across the series, could they have invented a generic Corrupt Noble? Or Crazed Cultist?

What's worse is that they have Valtome and Hetzel in the poll yet their leader is not. I mean imagine Ike not being in a popularity poll but having Soren and Titannia. There'd be an uproar. Lekain's the main villain of Radiant Dawn before Ashera and Sephiran steal his spotlight so his absence is strange. Lekain might be my favorite villain thinking about it. 

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19 minutes ago, Lushen said:

How about including him in FE Warriors?  How about being one of the original 5*'s in FEH with the whole unique cut-scenes and all?  And Caeda has a seasonal.  Also, they made another Marth game - New Mystery of the Emblem only 8 years ago.  And he's in Smash.  Ephraim has been neglected far more than Marth, Marth gets a ton of love from IS.

That still doesn't change the fact that in terms of FEH, Ephraim has been on four banners now aside from his introductory one (so five total) and has been featured in a VG and a BHB while Marth only has that one banner and nothing else. Marth also doesn't have anything going for him to help him stand out in this game's sea of swords while Ephraim had a niche carved out for him from the very start. When it comes to Heroes specifically, Marth is the neglected one from where I stand and as such could really use a Brave counterpart far more than Ephraim.

Also, you're really grasping at straws with Bride Caeda and a game that's getting close to being a decade old now and one that never got an international release, that second part being one you conveniently left out.

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11 minutes ago, Fire Emblem Fan said:

My first vote went to Ephraim, my next is going to RD Brom. After that I'll either throw everything else at Brom, or I'll throw a vote to Fiora and Heath.

Keep on trucking Bromguy. Your dedication is admirable. 

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15 minutes ago, JDraks said:

Sure, she was. But to say Smash didn't hugely benefit her popularity is just wrong. She's not just a waifu, but it's also undeniable to say that much of her popularity came from being one; really, what about her character would make her so popular? She's really just a generic time traveler, seeing as her personality is pretty dry, and she (Lucina, not "Marth") doesn't really have plot importance. And Chrom barely got any Smash memes, really just the fact that he didn't get in; the average Smash player won't care about him like they do Ike, Marth, Lucina, or Robin.

It seems people find a way to play the generic card on whoever they don't like. You may think that about her character, but it doesn't mean your opinion is the majority.

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2 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

It seems people find a way to play the generic card on whoever they don't like. You may think that about her character, but it doesn't mean your opinion is the majority.

^ This. 

There are those that can call Ike a boring character, and not that interesting either. 

And I can't stand Ephraim.

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2 hours ago, Lau said:

So I've managed to vote for Marth on a couple of different browsers today, it probably won't make a difference, but I've seen some strong support for him around the Internet, so that's promising.

If I weren't so focused on Marth, my votes would have gone to: Marth, Caeda, Young Tiki, Xane, Kaze, Eliwood and Ninian.

@Motendra You, my friend, are truly an inspiration. #RallyMarth indeed.

I salute you and our Hero-King

48 minutes ago, ReinhardtLOL said:

It may sound like a bandwagon thing to say, but I'm putting my faith in Marth. He is the face of FE. What has IS done to support their first hero? Nothing other than one banner at the beginning of the game. I hope that getting him #1 or #2 will buff him with a new character. I really need support to get him back up. It's kinda hopeless, I think...

Glad to have you! I wouldn't exactly call it a bandwagon though, as while Marth may be the most well known, he's certainly not the most favored and is instead just accepted. 'least around these parts anyway

We finna put respek on Marth's name

45 minutes ago, JDraks said:

Lucina's popularity is mostly due to being a waifu and Smash IMO; Chrom lacks both.

Its really unfortunate that any female character that becomes popular has to be written off as a waifu if they aren't liked. And I aint even big on Lucy (though that's mainly due to her appropriating Marth, but thats another can of worms)

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3 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

And I can't stand Ephraim.

I don't like to hate on characters, and I'll use him regardless, but I'll agree on Ephraim.

I like him having a good knowledge of military matters, but his blind recklessness that always goes unpunished is a massive problem. Him knowing about sieges, him being able to discuss whether to use the reserves for defending the convoy or sending them to the frontlines, that is good. But what is the point to any of that when he just plunges ahead lance first and always comes out on top?

Ike, if not beset with problems by his own actions (although Shades of Evil- the chapter after which Greil dies, is Ike's fault), does deal with reversals and losses, and he develops an understanding of tactics, logistics, and organization. And Ike generally just doesn't push ahead like Ephraim, he takes time discuss things with Soren and Titania and others and we see it plentifully. We see Ephraim do this with Seth a little, but not to the same degree or in the same way. Partly this is a difference in writing between Tellius (and even within Tellius between PoR and RD) and SS.

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46 minutes ago, Tybrosion said:

That still doesn't change the fact that in terms of FEH, Ephraim has been on four banners now aside from his introductory one (so five total) and has been featured in a VG and a BHB while Marth only has that one banner and nothing else.

Probably b/c Marth is available as a 4*.  Eliwood has pretty much the same treatment.


My point with bridal Caeda is that Marth's game has recieved seasonals.  Ephraim's game, SS, has not.  

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11 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

I don't like to hate on characters, and I'll use him regardless, but I'll agree on Ephraim.

I like him having a good knowledge of military matters, but his blind recklessness that always goes unpunished is a massive problem. Him knowing about sieges, him being able to discuss whether to use the reserves for defending the convoy or sending them to the frontlines, that is good. But what is the point to any of that when he just plunges ahead lance first and always comes out on top?

Ike, if not beset with problems by his own actions (although Shades of Evil- the chapter after which Greil dies, is Ike's fault), does deal with reversals and losses, and he develops an understanding of tactics, logistics, and organization. And Ike generally just doesn't push ahead like Ephraim, he takes time discuss things with Soren and Titania and others and we see it plentifully. We see Ephraim do this with Seth a little, but not to the same degree or in the same way. Partly this is a difference in writing between Tellius (and even within Tellius between PoR and RD) and SS.

I wouldn't say that Ike is completely free, since some of his mistakes have avoided severe consequences, and he gets off with a slap on the wrist, like when he spoke out against the Senate and Sanaki. However, he does at the very least develop much better, whereas Ephraim is pretty much perfect. 

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You know, I think I'm swayed by all the Marth support. I am okay with his SD self and do wish that he got more attention in Heroes. So what the heck, I'll throw my seventh vote at Marth.

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12 minutes ago, Motendra said:

Its really unfortunate that any female character that becomes popular has to be written off as a waifu if they aren't liked. And I aint even big on Lucy (though that's mainly due to her appropriating Marth, but thats another can of worms)

But there are some cases where I can't help but feel that being female is their sole claim, or by two billion lightyears, their biggest claim to popularity.

This doesn't necessarily have to always be horny pigs who like them, women like cute, friendly, and confident or shy women too, in an amicable way. And there is not necessarily anything wrong with liking a character in a shallow way, or liking a character others call shallow when they think they're deep. I think most or all of us, even those who profess to prefer deeper characters do this.

Case and point- Marisa. How many of the voters from the first CYL actually played SS? How many have read Marisa's supports and recruitment dialogue? Or how about Nephenee- people say it is hard to play the Tellius games, so how many people actually voted for Nephenee knowing what she was actually like? If not many did truly know either character, then how other than on first appearances- that most superficial reason, could they have gotten the votes they got?

Is there the possibility that some men only get votes based on being fanservicey or hand or very bro or very manly? Maybe. But to the same degree?

And on the Nephenee point- well her snubbed male counterpart in Brom is stuck as an Armor when she is more uniquely Lance Infantry. Plus Brom isn't that much deeper if any at all compared to Neph.

 

Just now, omegaxis1 said:

I wouldn't say that Ike is completely free, since some of his mistakes have avoided severe consequences, and he gets off with a slap on the wrist, like when he spoke out against the Senate and Sanaki.

He doesn't quite escape that situation with a slap on the wrist. Sanaki said in a tense exchange she was on the last of her nerves. She also ended up needing Ike for her investigations into Laguz slavery. Fortunately, the game doesn't cast it like she was begging him for the help and he was being worshipped for it (I'd call the logic of relying on foreign mercenaries for the investigation solid enough, and it sounds like she had already begun it before Ike ever appeared).

Script on the infamous outburst against the Apostle:

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Sigrun
We have received detailed reports on Princess Elincia and the mercenary
company serving as her escort.

Ike
So...you knew we were coming. You knew who we were all along.

Sanaki
Yes. I apologize for testing you. You see, life here in the palace is dreadfully dull. I am always so very bored. Thanks to the princess and her brazen little escort, this interrogation proved to be an amusing diversion.

Oliver
Oh ho ho! So that's what this was! How very like you, Apostle. A cunning game of wits and words. Simply smashing! Even your most loyal servant, Duke Oliver of Tanas, was on the verge of being completely fooled. I am humbled!
Oh ho ho! Come, Duke Lekain!

Lekain
Ah-ahem. It was all a ruse, was it?...Oh, Apostle, you do tease us so mercilessly! Still, it was not such a bad way to amuse ourselves, was it, Duke Hetzel?

Hetzel
Hoo! Too true, my good duke! Princess Crimea, it appears that you have put quite a smile on the face of our beloved apostle. What an honor that must be! Hoo hoo hoo!

Elincia
...Ah... Um...Yes... I suppose...

Ike
Madness!

Sanaki
Oh, yes, I almost forgot in all the fun...Sephiran has already vouched for your identity as the true princess of Crimea. I require no further proof. You may rest easy.

Elincia
I am...most grateful.

Ike
Wait a minute!

Sanaki
Yes?

Ike
What is the meaning of this? You knew Elincia was Princess Crimea? And you continued to humiliate her for your own entertainment? For some stupid game of wits and words? This is no joke!

Sanaki
...

Ike
Elincia's homeland is lost to her! Her family has been hunted down and killed by the monsters of Daein! And with nowhere else to turn, she endures mortal danger and terrible heartbreak to reach your door. And then you...you laugh at her?! Where is the humor in that? Where is your decency? You're horrible! You are all horrid people! You disgust me beyond words! And you owe Elincia a proper apology.

Elincia
My... My lord Ike, please--

Lekain
Wretched peasant! You loose that treasonous tongue once more, and--

Sanaki
Duke Lekain, restrain yourself!

Lekain
But... But...

Sanaki
I am speaking. Be still.

Lekain
Grrr...

Sanaki
Now then, Ike. I fully understand your feelings. Your passion for your employer is truly a beautiful thing. Would that my own fawning vassals shared your commitment. However, truth be told, your behavior does test my patience. Raise your voice once more to me, and you will seriously damage the princess's already precarious position. Do you understand?

Ike
Not really. Why don't you fill me in?

Sanaki

Even if Elincia is truly Crimean royalty, she is at best heir to a dead country. Nothing more. Without Begnion's support, Elincia's claim holds no meaning. Am I mistaken?

Ike
Pah!

Sanaki
Even if we harm her fragile feelings, for the sake of her country's future, she must stand by and say nothing. In fact, she is in no position to do anything but beg for Begnion's favor. Or...hadn't you noticed?

Ike
...

Sanaki
I have much to consider. For now, I shall take my leave of you. I will meet with my senators soon and discuss this state of affairs. Crimea's future will not be uncertain for long. Until that time, I suggest you rest and relax. Perhaps you could try your hand at our courtly games of...wit and words?

Ike
What incredible nerve! To take advantage of our situation and speak down to us like that...I don't care if she's the empress or the apostle or whatever! I can't stand her!

Titania
Listen, Ike, isn't it possible that the apostle saved you?

Ike
What?

Nasir
Titania is correct. Begnion is a nation ruled by time-honored custom and ancient conventions. You insulted the apostle--the very symbol of their way of life. The fact that you are still breathing is a miracle.

Ike
I...hadn't realized.

Nasir
And as her escort, your criminal behavior would fall directly on your employer, Princess Elincia. If you had truly angered the apostle, any hope of restoring Crimea would have vanished like a puff of smoke.

Ike
That's madness! They would sacrifice a whole country to satisfy their own egos?

Soren
Ike... This may not be much of an answer, but letting madness rule the day is the prerogative of nobility. The beorc divide themselves into classes. And with classes come prejudice. From the moment of our birth to our final dying gasp, we commoners know we are not allowed to defy the upper classes.

Ike
Princess Elincia...I... I'm sorry. My ignorance does not excuse my stupidity. ...I truly am sorry.

Elincia
No. I...What you said, you said in my defense and in my honor. It made me very pleased.

Ike
Huh?

Elincia
To see you so angry on my behalf...Your words filled my heart.

Ike
It wasn't as noble as you make it sound.

Elincia
However, there is one point that I would contest. It is true that I've lost my family...and my home. But I did have people to turn to...People to rely on. My lord Ike, you and your company were at my side. For me, this has been a great source of inspiration and of happiness.

Ike
Princess Elincia...

Elincia
My lord Ike... Please call me Elincia.

Ike
Huh? That would be improper, wouldn't it? I mean, you're our employer, and...

Elincia
You called me so earlier.

Ike
I did? Really?

Elincia
You didn't notice?

Ike
No, I... Oh. My aplogies. I'll be more careful. Well, I suppose we should go. They've prepared rooms for us.

Elincia
Ah, my lord Ike......

Ike did learn a lesson here. And Sanaki, although sometimes criticized as a spoiled brat (and the earlier stuff gives off this impression), is ultimately not a mercurial heiress. She exercises, quite reasonably, some patience and political correctness, as befitting in a diplomatic exchange; she is in the end a reasoned ruler. Knowing from earlier in the conversation and Sephiran in correspondence that Ike was just a common mercenary, it would be reasonable of her to expect him not be perfectly behaved in the setting of an imperial court. Yet, he learned to control himself in her presence and not continue to defile the situation once harshly commanded to do so, and that was enough. If Sanaki did do worse to Ike like sentencing him to death or sending him to prison, would she be accused of taking an single insult too far by the fanbase? More evidence of the vanity of Begnion?

The Elincia stuff for Ike at the end, well maybe that could go unsaid, for it is something of character worship. At least Ike is smart enough to know the praise isn't called for.

And I am no Ike lover, just want to make that clear.

 

This isn't the best topic for serious character discussion though.

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4 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

He doesn't quite escape that situation with a slap on the wrist. Sanaki said in a tense exchange she was on the last of her nerves. She also ended up needing Ike for her investigations into Laguz slavery. Fortunately, the game doesn't cast it like she was begging him for the help and he was being worshipped for it (I'd call the logic of relying on foreign mercenaries for the investigation solid enough, and it sounds like she had already begun it before Ike ever appeared).

Yeah, he gets told off, and that was it. But the issue still exists that while Ike has made mistakes, he just never had to truly face the full consequences of it. That's what I'm saying. 

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Is Lekain seriously not an option? That's just bizarre. I doubt he would rank very high but he's still a main antagonist and he appears in two games.

Also this Marth talk is making me want to throw one or two votes his way.

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5 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:

Yeah, he gets told off, and that was it. But the issue still exists that while Ike has made mistakes, he just never had to truly face the full consequences of it. That's what I'm saying. 

He sees his dad get murdered and puts his troop in a borderline unwinnable situation because he didn't listen. That literally couldn't have gone worse short of him dying.

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8 minutes ago, Lushen said:

Probably b/c Marth is available as a 4*.  Eliwood has pretty much the same treatment.


My point with bridal Caeda is that Marth's game has recieved seasonals.  Ephraim's game, SS, has not.  

Not true. Eliwood has appeared in 3 (being the Michalis GHB, Ninian & Hawkeye BHB and a TT). That, and with his personal weapon receiving an upgrade thanks to his son, in addition to having cavalry benefits, he's good as is. If you go down the list of every lord, with the exception of the still new Micaiah & Sothe and the sole missing Leif,  Marth is the only one left to gather dust

 

7 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

You know, I think I'm swayed by all the Marth support. I am okay with his SD self and do wish that he got more attention in Heroes. So what the heck, I'll throw my seventh vote at Marth.

Your contribution is greatly appreciated! In return, I wish you best of luck with any and all of your candidates!

3 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

But there are some cases where I can't help but feel that being female is their sole claim, or by two billion lightyears, their biggest claim to popularity.

This doesn't necessarily have to always be horny pigs who like them, women like cute, friendly, and confident or shy women too, in an amicable way. And there is not necessarily anything wrong with liking a character in a shallow way, or liking a character others call shallow when they think they're deep. I think most or all of us, even those who profess to prefer deeper characters do this.

Case and point- Marisa. How many of the voters from the first CYL actually played SS? How many have read Marisa's supports and recruitment dialogue? Or how about Nephenee- people say it is hard to play the Tellius games, so how many people actually voted for Nephenee knowing what she was actually like? If not many did truly know either character, then how other than on first appearances- that most superficial reason, could they have gotten the votes they got?

Is there the possibility that some men only get votes based on being fanservicey or hand or very bro or very manly? Maybe. But to the same degree?

And on the Nephenee point- well her snubbed male counterpart in Brom is stuck as an Armor when she is more uniquely Lance Infantry. Plus Brom isn't that much deeper if any at all compared to Neph.

While you raise a very interesting point (as I'd expect from you. Kudos), is there anyone who actually doesn't like Nephnee? Granted, to my knowledge, apparently, part of her appeal is due to her being in an extremely rare class that hasn't been seen since Gaiden, which also carries over to Oboro. 

Can't argue about Marisa though, as I remember actually seeing some long time ago around the internet that she was apparently the "most attractive female"

Of course, there will always be outliers as you have shown that may actually only have that. I just can't help but see the claim as mostly a lazy dismissal every time I see it.

4 minutes ago, Book Bro said:

Also this Marth talk is making me want to throw one or two votes his way.

You honor him with your fealty. My humble thanks

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Just now, bottlegnomes said:

He sees his dad get murdered and puts his troop in a borderline unwinnable situation because he didn't listen. That literally couldn't have gone worse short of him dying.

Pretty sure the dad thing was not his fault at all. After all, Greil was the one that went to confront the Black Knight. And I recall the other scenario that you're referring to be something that happens like very early in the game.

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I voted for Leif yesterday, and the rest of my votes are going to Nanna, Finn,  Glade, Eirika, Hector, and Marth. Glade is hardly one of my favorite characters, but I still like him well enough and there's other characters more deserving of last place.

And to throw my two cents into the apparent debate going on, I find the suggestion that any female character, whatever her personality is, is massively popular for good and pure reasons to be laughable at best.

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