Men of Serenes Forest!

[Dandy Druid]

7 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Thank you for bringing us back to the purpose of my thread.

Y'all other dudes are weird.

I was originally gonna comment something more weird, but decided it was a TMI moment.

[Shoblongoo]

14 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Y'all other dudes are weird.

My freak flag flies proud ?

 

3 hours ago, NinjaMonkey said:

I don't believe such a thing exists, at least not in reality.

Would you believe me if I told you I've never sued anyone who didn't really, really, REALLY deserve it?

Edited April 21, 2018 by Shoblongoo

[NinjaMonkey]

8 minutes ago, Charmeleonbrah said:

This.

It says in the article that this is just one more "allegation" against him. So this doesn't change what I said earlier.

[NinjaMonkey]

3 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

Would you believe me if I told you I've never sued anyone who didn't really, really, REALLY deserve it?

I don't, sorry.

[Shoblongoo]

5 minutes ago, NinjaMonkey said:

I don't, sorry.

Bahhh. Everyone hates lawyers--until they need one.

[NinjaMonkey]

I'm fine with prosecutors, but that's criminal law, not civil law.

[Shoblongoo]

Civil is important too!!! I do a little bit of crim--but any time I'm in criminal court, im batting for the defense. Prosecutor is the one Job I would not want, and would make me hate my profession if that's what I had to do for a living ?

[Rezzy]

17 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

Bahhh. Everyone hates lawyers--until they need one.

I saw a license plate that said "NT GLTY".  It makes me think they were a defense lawyer, or a lousy prosecutor.

[Jingle Jangle]

6 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

Civil is important too!!! I do a little bit of crim--but any time I'm in criminal court, im batting for the defense. Prosecutor is the one Job I would not want, and would make me hate my profession if that's what I had to do for a living ?

I can't be prosecutor, I do not have it in me to accuse people that have a chance to be not guilty. It will lead me to second guess myself, wondering if I have sent an innocent man to jail. 

[Johann]

@Shoblongoo You ever read A Civil Action? I had to in college and it had a strong impact on me, to the point where I strongly considered a career in environmental law. That is, until people reminded me that the main lawyer goes broke and tries to kill himself in the last paragraph.

[Logjam]

15 hours ago, Shoblongoo said:

Civil is important too!!! I do a little bit of crim--but any time I'm in criminal court, im batting for the defense. Prosecutor is the one Job I would not want, and would make me hate my profession if that's what I had to do for a living ?

That's respectable at least. I have a huge problem with the criminal justice system in the US, especially in our nonviolent crimes and drug laws.

[Slumber]

7 hours ago, Logjam said:

That's respectable at least. I have a huge problem with the criminal justice system in the US, especially in our nonviolent crimes and drug laws.

Without turning this into a political discussion, I have a very strong "live and let live" philosophy towards life. Drug laws generally baffle me because of this, since the punishment for somebody simply getting caught while on drugs is insanely disproportionate to the "crime" committed. 

Nonviolent crimes are similar, but those don't seem quite as disproportionate with how "justice" is dealt. 

Edited April 22, 2018 by Slumber

[NinjaMonkey]

23 hours ago, Jingle Jangle said:

It will lead me to second guess myself, wondering if I have sent an innocent man to jail. 

It's up to the jury to ultimately decide whether the accused party is guilty or innocent, not the prosecutor., nor the judge.

[Jingle Jangle]

1 minute ago, NinjaMonkey said:

It's up to the jury to ultimately decide whether the accused party is guilty or innocent, not the prosecutor., nor the judge.

I know that, it just that if I am a prosecutor, I would still feel that I played a role in the sentencing. 

[Shoblongoo]

On 4/20/2018 at 10:12 PM, Rezzy said:

I saw a license plate that said "NT GLTY".  It makes me think they were a defense lawyer, or a lousy prosecutor.

...or an unconvicted felon who beat the case.

 

On 4/21/2018 at 2:37 AM, Johann said:

@Shoblongoo You ever read A Civil Action? I had to in college and it had a strong impact on me, to the point where I strongly considered a career in environmental law. That is, until people reminded me that the main lawyer goes broke and tries to kill himself in the last paragraph.

Never heard of that, but I did have one environmental law case. Sued a farm that was dumping stormwater run-off--heavily contaminated with lead-based pesticides--into a residential neighborhood, where residents were getting sick from the exposure.

 

On 4/20/2018 at 10:18 PM, Jingle Jangle said:

I can't be prosecutor, I do not have it in me to accuse people that have a chance to be not guilty. It will lead me to second guess myself, wondering if I have sent an innocent man to jail. 

That wouldnt bother me.

 

23 hours ago, Logjam said:

That's respectable at least. I have a huge problem with the criminal justice system in the US, especially in our nonviolent crimes and drug laws.

...that's the part that would bother me. Not the innocent man accused; but the man who is actually guilty under the law, and who I'd be duty bound as a prosecutor to send to jail. When it is the law I believe to be a social harm in need of correction--not the man who broke it. That's why I could never be a prosecutor.

Edited April 22, 2018 by Shoblongoo

[DisobeyedCargo]

5 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

...or an unconvicted felon who beat the case.

 

Never heard of that, but I did have one environmental law case. Sued a farm that was dumping stormwater run-off--heavily contaminated with lead-based pesticides--into a residential neighborhood, where residents were getting sick from the exposure.

 

That wouldnt bother me.

 

...that's the part that would bother me. Not the innocent man accused; but the man who is actually guilty under the law, and who I'd be duty bound as a prosecutor to send to jail. When it is the law I believe to be a social harm in need of correction--not the man who broke it. That's why I could never be a prosecutor.

Certainly seems like you've had an interesting career. Between the story of the Pharmecutical company In your interview and this, im getting curious.

[Johann]

36 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

Never heard of that, but I did have one environmental law case. Sued a farm that was dumping stormwater run-off--heavily contaminated with lead-based pesticides--into a residential neighborhood, where residents were getting sick from the exposure.

It's true story about a town in Massachusetts that tries to sue some companies for polluting their groundwater, particularly because of their dumping chemicals near the new groundwater well, causing a whole neighborhood of kids get a rare form of leukemia. Problem was, most of the problems begin before the Clean Water Act and a lot of the other environmental laws, or even before people really understood how groundwater worked. Was a great read, there's also a movie version with John Travolta but I've never seen it.

[Shoblongoo]

...well putting in your hours at the office or the warehouse or the yard or w/e you do for work is one of those things that separates the men from the boys. 

That's a nice wholesome direction for this thread to go; from talking about sex to talking about work. 

@Johann how long have you been a teacher? What subjects do you teach?

 

21 hours ago, DisobeyedCargo said:

Certainly seems like you've had an interesting career. Between the story of the Pharmecutical company In your interview and this, im getting curious.

Its less glamorous than it sounds. Mostly just desk work and manning the phones. 

I'm in year 4 of practice. First 3 years i was basically just working as a freelance attorney and trying to build a resume; networking with local area attorneys, covering Court for them on minor appearances, putting in some hours on motion drafting and document review that they didn't want to do themselves. Didn't really have any specialty area. I was doing a little bit of everything.

...did some criminal defense work
...some family law
...some immigration law
...some general civil litigation 
...I very briefly dabbled in corporate law and fucking hated it (this is one of the reasons why at a level even beyond his politics--which I find disgusting enough in their own right--I hate Trump so much on a personal level. I've dealt with his kind before; narcissistic sociopath billionaires who use the litigation process and the threat of legal action to bully and harass, and who view the law as their plaything. They are just the worst kind of people.) 

Now finally in year 4 I'm starting to develop a specialty and narrow down my practice to the kind of cases I really like to do.

• I file lawsuits on behalf of employees who have been fired or punished by their employers after reporting that their employer was breaking the law, under New Jersey's whistleblower protection statute. 

• I file civil rights lawsuits against entities that unlawfully discriminate on the basis of race, religion, sex or sexual orientation, etc. 
• I represent victims of sexual harassment in actions against their harassers.      

...and that's most of what I do now...

Its good work. I didn't go to law school to help millionaires seize assets from other millionaires or pipeline kids into the prison system because they like a little bit of cocaine with their Super Smash Brothers and D&D--I did it to help people who have been wronged by the system, and use litigation as a weapon against wrongdoers who actually deserve to get fucked by the iron dick of The Law. 

I'm happy with what I do. 
 

[Johann]

4 hours ago, Shoblongoo said:

Johann how long have you been a teacher? What subjects do you teach?

GIS (the computer science that makes Google Maps, GPS, etc work) and some Earth Science on the side. Sometimes I'm called in to help out with some of the more advanced environmental courses too, like the ones pertaining to risk assessments and toxicology. This is my 4th year doing it and I don't intend to stop anytime soon, it's the life I like.

[DisobeyedCargo]

4 hours ago, Shoblongoo said:

...and that's most of what I do now...

Its good work. I didn't go to law school to help millionaires seize assets from other millionaires or pipeline kids into the prison system because they like a little bit of cocaine with their Super Smash Brothers and D&D--I did it to help people who have been wronged by the system, and use litigation as a weapon against wrongdoers who actually deserve to get fucked by the iron dick of The Law. 

I'm happy with what I do. 
 

That's really cool. I'm glad to hear that your happy with what you do. Too many times have I heard stories of the law fucking people over.

[Shoblongoo]

On 4/23/2018 at 3:13 PM, Johann said:

GIS (the computer science that makes Google Maps, GPS, etc work) and some Earth Science on the side. Sometimes I'm called in to help out with some of the more advanced environmental courses too, like the ones pertaining to risk assessments and toxicology. This is my 4th year doing it and I don't intend to stop anytime soon, it's the life I like.

If for whatever reason law didn't work out, the only other thing I could really see myself doing is teaching. I did some substitute work back when I was still looking for a full time law job. Think I could've been a decent social studies or history teacher.
 

On 4/23/2018 at 3:20 PM, DisobeyedCargo said:

 Too many times have I heard stories of the law fucking people over.

...yeah...that happens a lot... 

Broke my heart the first time I saw a 19 year old kid go to prison for selling a bag of weed.  
________

Had a guy a while back who ran a photo sharing website. He had a lot of traffic. Hundreds of pictures coming in each day--thousands a week. He wasn't an active webmaster, he didn't really have any moderation team in place or procedures for reporting and removing inappropriate content, and he wasn't paying attention to what people were putting on the site. He was just hosting the platform and running it as a side-business to make a little bit of extra cash from users who paid for premium services. 

Well now--one of his users uploaded some child pornography. He didn't notice and it wasn't flagged and removed; it sat on the site for several days, and someone called in a tip to the feds. Domain registration and business address came back to his name. 

...The State of New Jersey charged him with possession with intent to distribute and distribution, sent him to State prison, put him on a sex offender registry, and forced him to attend court-ordered treatment for sexually violent predators...

That's the worst I've ever seen someone who had absolutely no business being in the criminal justice system get fucked by the law.



 

Edited April 25, 2018 by Shoblongoo

[Johann]

Just now, Shoblongoo said:

If for whatever reason law didn't work out, the only other thing I could really see myself doing is teaching. I did some substitute work back when I was still looking for a full time law job. Think I could've been a decent social studies or history teacher.

I think you'd be good at it. Teaching at the college level is extremely liberating, at least for me since I'm the only one who teaches GIS, so I have complete control over the syllabus. I also think that I'm extremely lucky that I can live quite comfortably despite only being an adjunct and teaching around 3 or 4 classes a semester.

[HK Motendra]

Can I just say that @Shoblongoo and @Johann are a blessing to this thread? Honestly, keep being you

[Johann]

2 hours ago, Motendra said:

Can I just say that @Shoblongoo and @Johann are a blessing to this thread? Honestly, keep being you

Being me is how I got so far in life, and I only had to watch like 20 Disney movies to figure out that it's the ultimate life lesson

But for real though, I'm compelled to post here because of how many people talk like they need more positive influences in their lives. Now, none of us are really part of anyone's life here, but we can definitely shape each others' worldviews in positive ways. Given how infectious the negative sides of the internet can be, I feel obligated to dispel the misconceptions and fallacies, and tell people the things they need to hear (whether critical or supportive). If I can help people out a little with their anxieties and stuff, then I should.

I've been thinking about making a sort of "positive influential stuff" thread so there's sort of a central place for that sort of reinforcement. I figure this thread should probably remain as a sort of general guy discussion thread.

[HK Motendra]

3 hours ago, Johann said:

Being me is how I got so far in life, and I only had to watch like 20 Disney movies to figure out that it's the ultimate life lesson

But for real though, I'm compelled to post here because of how many people talk like they need more positive influences in their lives. Now, none of us are really part of anyone's life here, but we can definitely shape each others' worldviews in positive ways. Given how infectious the negative sides of the internet can be, I feel obligated to dispel the misconceptions and fallacies, and tell people the things they need to hear (whether critical or supportive). If I can help people out a little with their anxieties and stuff, then I should.

I've been thinking about making a sort of "positive influential stuff" thread so there's sort of a central place for that sort of reinforcement. I figure this thread should probably remain as a sort of general guy discussion thread.

Yeah,  that's kinda the direction I was trying to steer into with my earlier question. That only you two responded had me a little disappointed despite both being good answers, but then again, it wasn't the best one to go off of now that I think on it. But alas, I don't think I have the life experience to facilitate such a thing anyway