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2 minutes ago, Junkhead said:

People seem to ignore the fact that most sexual habits include an actual, living person.

People can be their own partners.

4 minutes ago, Junkhead said:

I was as deceived by this propaganda as anyone, having been brought up and trained to believe in moral relativism

I would not call it propaganda. You have the luxury of choosing your philosophy, and I would not take that right for granted. People outside of liberal democracies have no such choice.

2 minutes ago, Junkhead said:

Then you have actual shit to attend to than jacking it as a temporal relief.

People should also stop playing Fire Emblem and stop going on Serenes Forest. Gamers should be ashamed of themselves for playing games instead of contributing to society.

Relaxing? That is a waste of time. Life is all about work; play and fun are for kids only.

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13 minutes ago, Junkhead said:

Then you have actual shit to attend to than jacking it as a temporal relief.

you don't seem to get it.

temporal; relief recharges you.

5 minutes ago, XRay said:

People can be their own partners.

I would not call it propaganda. You have the luxury of choosing your philosophy, and I would not take that right for granted. People outside of liberal democracies have no such choice.

People should also stop playing Fire Emblem and stop going on Serenes Forest. Gamers should be ashamed of themselves for playing games instead of contributing to society.

Relaxing? That is a waste of time. Life is all about work; play and fun are for kids only.

#fapgate fftf 2018

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17 minutes ago, XRay said:

People can be their own partners.

The same people who can't stand being alone.

17 minutes ago, XRay said:

People should also stop playing Fire Emblem and stop going on Serenes Forest. Gamers should be ashamed of themselves for playing games instead of contributing to society.

Relaxing? That is a waste of time. Life is all about work; play and fun are for kids only.

I never actually said any of this. For whatever it's worth, I feel like you're proving what I just said.

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12 minutes ago, Junkhead said:

The same people who can't stand being alone.

I never actually said any of this. For whatever it's worth, I feel like you're proving what I just said.

you sound like you're projecting insecurities with the whole thing about anti-onanism. 

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17 minutes ago, Junkhead said:

I never actually said any of this.

That is the point. I am being even more exaggerated and "conservative." If something as harmless as masturbation is being demonized, I will just go one step further than the opposition and give them a taste of their medicine.

If you are not working 12 hours a day, you are a lazy pig. Retirement? Forget about that too. Retirement is for chumps. Americans should work until they die on the job like the Japanese. Every second not spent working is every second spent wasted. Our GDP is on the line and China is about to displace us as the biggest economy in the world; no decent American with an ounce of patriotism would let that happen.

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1 hour ago, Junkhead said:

Then you have actual shit to attend to than jacking it as a temporal relief.

Now that I'm chiming in I'll say a little something first to make sure we are on the same page hopefully.

I respect all people's opinions, values, beliefs, and philosophies. I read what you've said at least twice to make sure I understand you. I'm here to say I disagree with you. I'm not trying to change or convert your opinion (that you are entitled too) all I hope is that after you read what I said, even if you don't agree, at least respect our opinions or what some other people have to say. Even if you don't agree with it. Just let them be.

Masturbation and sex : scientifically proven to produce endorphins (and maybe dopamine)

Endorphins = stress relief

Stress = poor health, weakens heart and brain function

Since this isn't Serious Discussion section I won't cite my sources but this is all proven my medical practitioners

Fact about masturbation : can be quick and done in privacy, and a much better option compared to people who drink or smoke (which harms vital organs) to make their stress go away. Some people pick even worse ways but I won't go into all that. Point is that this particular method is discreet and is not being forced on people. Nobody is telling you that you have to do it. 

Ergo we've come to the conclusion that masturbation (and sex) has medical benefits and if people want to do it, let them. How people choose to relieve stress is their choice. Even if you don't agree, it isn't right to criticize others of their choices. Especially ones that don't affect you, are done in privacy, aren't forced on you, or being made an example of. The reason I say the previous 3 sentences is because, at one point, I detected slight agressiveness in what you were saying. As if you were antgonizing others. That is just my perception, if I'm wrong I apologize. I just want you to know that if I perceived it, maybe others did too and that is why this is turning into a small debate/argument. (Referencing when you used the word disgust when on this topic and how you feel about it)

If your goal is to convert or change other people's opinions, then good luck with that on this topic. More or less it kind is a useless endeavor since you have no way of knowing if others actually stopped masturbating after reading what you said much less what does it matter to you, ya know?

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One need only read The Scarlet Letter to find even the loosest connection between extreme prurience and extreme repression. Or hark back to King Lear: "the policeman who lashes the whore has a hot need to use her for the very offense for which he plies the lash."

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People acting like masturbation is a bad thing in 2018 :huh:. Next you’re gonna tell me listening to Jazz makes you associate with colored folk and smoke the devils lettuce. 

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Geez the direction this topic took! (Not that I should speak, given I put out my own issues back tens of pages ago.)

 

2 minutes ago, Karimlan said:

Or hark back to King Lear: "the policeman who lashes the whore has a hot need to use her for the very offense for which he plies the lash."

If I ever got to reading Shakespeare for pleasure, King Lear was on my list. Was not expecting this.

Darned, Shakespeare is good! I mean I know he threw in plenty of bawdy things before to appeal to the groundlings, but this is not so hidden.

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6 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

People acting like masturbation is a bad thing in 2018 :huh:. Next you’re gonna tell me listening to Jazz makes you associate with colored folk and smoke the devils lettuce. 

shit you're right.

i don't need to chop my hands off.

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...And suddenly I'm reminded why commenting on this thread was one of the stupider mistakes I have made online.

As for my two cents on the masturbation topic:

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It's a bad habit that may perhaps be unavoidable for some people (and indeed, not much may come from them doing so), but like all habits, overindulgence leads to dire consequences.

While masturbation may be a "normal" activity, it is not a harmless one. It is, after all sexually stimulating oneself. Engaged only occasionally, this will have little lasting consequences. However, the more and more someone indulges in it, it can and does have several negative effects on them. It can lead to a person finding the practice of actual sex on the respected grounds of marriage less enjoyable than if they had done the act of masturbation less frequently. It can also lead to someone getting into the detestable practice of pornography, and finding "harder" stuff when the previous things no longer satisfy them. In extreme cases (and I do stress the word "extreme") it may even get to the point where masturbation no longer "works" and they commit more detestable actions to get their "fix".

Of course, these are slightly extreme examples that not everyone who engages in masturbation will be involved with them. A man who gets tipsy from drinking in good cheer with his friends may do less damage than a drunkard would commit at their worst. Both will still get into trouble, however, and it's best to avoid drinking altogether.

However, although I personally disagree with the sentiment that masturbation is "natural" (I know I have avoided great sexual temptation and put down "natural" urges with two seconds of logical and rational thought about the potential consequences of said actions.), I do realize that not everyone has the gift of continence, and that while some can resist sexual urges quite easily and find chastity simple to engage in, for others, it can be more extremely damaging trying to forcibly resist these urges. To them, I would suggest marriage as a bit of a "way out" for the long run in that regard (and I would bring up that marriage actually reduces sexual desire, given that they've found something greater. I would also bring up that they shouldn't buy to much into the hogwash that "being in love" is the only respectable ground for marriage, as there are  other reasons to get married that aren't cynical or so emotionally charged), but as much as I want to say to avoid masturbation, I also know that know that inspiring guilt in an action that is not actually sinful (the Bible doesn't actually say anything on masturbation. The closest it comes is mentioning nocturnal emission in Deuteronomy 23:9-11, where the man in question had to spend the day outside of camp. After showering in the evening, they were then allowed back into the camp) is unwise, and that it is an "okay" practice as long as it is done infrequently.

For the record, these are my own thoughts and conclusions on the matter. Influenced by my own and others experiences, for sure, but still, they are my own. People will undeniably disagree with what I have said, and for that, I will be glad that I am talking with human beings who are different and unique from one another.


A point that was raised is that masturbation is no different that playing videogames or reading a book. I heavily disagree with this.

Although the argument that entertainment is "harmless" is up for debate (as while videogames don't actually cause violence (well, they can, but that's along the lines of increasing aggressive behavior in someone who is already aggressive.), the actual (and frankly, more concerning) problem they cause is desensitization, and it's not limited to videogames; movies, books, music, and even real life events will do the same), there is no denying that they can be launch-boards for thoughtful and critical discussion and analysis. Indeed, there are several films, books, and even videogames that can rightfully be called works of art, not just because of their quality, but also because of their content. Even simple elements can produce insightful observations, and they don't need to be particularly deep.

Masturbation, on the other hand, is simply an action that produces pleasure. That's it. While one could have their imagination stirred from reading a good book, have their world widened after a walk through a park, or be challenged by a videogame, masturbation offers none of this. You can gain something beyond immediate pleasure from reading a book; you can't do so with masturbation.

 

This took much longer than it should have to write. Part of this was just plain due to me being a slow typer (I really need to take a writing class), but it was also because my thoughts on the matter did change slightly upon reflecting a bit. I was also debating what to mention and what not to bring up, as well as how to say certain things.

And to avoid relighting a cooled fire, I'll go in a different direction (I was going originally to mention something about violence in entertainment, but the writing the above really took the wind out of me, so I wanted to discuss something else):

Why/How do you think the rumor that Fred Rogers was in the military came about? And why do you think he was originally mocked when Mr. Rogers Neighborhood first aired?

Also, a documentary film called Won't You Be My Neighbor? was made this year. Haven't seen it yet, thought I really want to.

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19 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

I sincerely do apologize for any role I played in directing you here.

No, that happened before you said anything. I decided to see if there was anything worthwhile here, saw a quiz, and against my better judgement (I say so myself on the actual post) decided to take it.

I will admit, thought, that you bringing the thread up did make me realize that something I was hinting at originally (whether sparing a spider instead of killing it was "manly" or not) had nothing come from it, so I decided to ask the question more directly.

I guess I come here every now and again because there are some legitimately interesting and even insightful discussions on this thread, but there's also a lot of crap.

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1 minute ago, Hawkwing said:

I guess I come here every now and again because there are some legitimately interesting and even insightful discussions on this thread, but there's also a lot of crap.

Same here actually. And I'm disappointed by the filth, but such is a hazard of FFtF.

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1 hour ago, Hawkwing said:

but there's also a lot of crap.

1 hour ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

And I'm disappointed by the filth

Not everyone loves shit posts and blue cheese, but many do. It is an acquired taste that takes time to develop and appreciate.

It is kind of like watching the Bachelor/Bachelorette or drinking alcohol for the first time. You will find the content objectionable at first, but if you keep consuming it, you gradually get used to it and find it tolerable, or maybe even enjoyable.

1 hour ago, Hawkwing said:

Why/How do you think the rumor that Fred Rogers was in the military came about? And why do you think he was originally mocked when Mr. Rogers Neighborhood first aired?

This is the first time I heard about the rumor. I never realized he was mocked either when the show first aired. He seemed to be a pretty nice guy. I think the rumors and mocking may be due to its success? While I would not say it is my favorite show as a kid, some segments of it were entertaining enough to grab my attention, and I particularly liked the segments where he visits shops, factories, and other real life locations and see what people do there. It is sort of like taking a field trip, but on television!

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1 hour ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Same here actually. And I'm disappointed by the filth, but such is a hazard of FFtF.

So I'm not alone... YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

1 hour ago, XRay said:

Not everyone loves shit posts and blue cheese, but many do. It is an acquired taste that takes time to develop and appreciate.

It is kind of like watching the Bachelor/Bachelorette or drinking alcohol for the first time. You will find the content objectionable at first, but if you keep consuming it, you gradually get used to it and find it tolerable, or maybe even enjoyable.

...By crap, I was referring mostly to the uninteresting s*x stuff here.

Also, that's a bad analogy towards me personally. Wisdom and intelligence are two virtues I greatly admire, and alcohol takes away both of those. Also, there's the question of whether or not you even should attempt to find objectionable content enjoyable or at least tolerable in the first place (depends on what it is, of course, but the question is still worth raising).

1 hour ago, XRay said:

This is the first time I heard about the rumor.

This is going off memory, by the way, and the rumor is false no matter what, but supposedly, Mister Rogers was a marine sniper that had a very high kill count during either the Korean or Vietnam war, and afterwards discovered Christ and became a Christian (in real life, Rogers actually was a minister). Supposedly, a reason why he wore a long-sleeved sweater all the time was because he had several tattoos all along his arms, and he didn't want that to scare anyone.

Again, the rumor is false, as Rogers never went into military service, but it's interesting to think about how it started.

1 hour ago, XRay said:

I never realized he was mocked either when the show first aired. He seemed to be a pretty nice guy. I think the rumors and mocking may be due to its success?

Well, as the show producer Margy Whitmer said “You take all of the elements that make good television and do the exact opposite, you have Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood.” His kindness was seen as a weakness by some, and easy to make fun of. And a reason Rogers decided to make the show in the first place was in his own words: "I went into television because I hated it so, and I thought there's some way of using this fabulous instrument to nurture those who would watch and listen."

Fred Rogers most certainly was a rare man in this world, wasn't he?

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3 hours ago, Hawkwing said:

...And suddenly I'm reminded why commenting on this thread was one of the stupider mistakes I have made online.

As for my two cents on the masturbation topic:

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It's a bad habit that may perhaps be unavoidable for some people (and indeed, not much may come from them doing so), but like all habits, overindulgence leads to dire consequences.

While masturbation may be a "normal" activity, it is not a harmless one. It is, after all sexually stimulating oneself. Engaged only occasionally, this will have little lasting consequences. However, the more and more someone indulges in it, it can and does have several negative effects on them. It can lead to a person finding the practice of actual sex on the respected grounds of marriage less enjoyable than if they had done the act of masturbation less frequently. It can also lead to someone getting into the detestable practice of pornography, and finding "harder" stuff when the previous things no longer satisfy them. In extreme cases (and I do stress the word "extreme") it may even get to the point where masturbation no longer "works" and they commit more detestable actions to get their "fix".

Of course, these are slightly extreme examples that not everyone who engages in masturbation will be involved with them. A man who gets tipsy from drinking in good cheer with his friends may do less damage than a drunkard would commit at their worst. Both will still get into trouble, however, and it's best to avoid drinking altogether.

However, although I personally disagree with the sentiment that masturbation is "natural" (I know I have avoided great sexual temptation and put down "natural" urges with two seconds of logical and rational thought about the potential consequences of said actions.), I do realize that not everyone has the gift of continence, and that while some can resist sexual urges quite easily and find chastity simple to engage in, for others, it can be more extremely damaging trying to forcibly resist these urges. To them, I would suggest marriage as a bit of a "way out" for the long run in that regard (and I would bring up that marriage actually reduces sexual desire, given that they've found something greater. I would also bring up that they shouldn't buy to much into the hogwash that "being in love" is the only respectable ground for marriage, as there are  other reasons to get married that aren't cynical or so emotionally charged), but as much as I want to say to avoid masturbation, I also know that know that inspiring guilt in an action that is not actually sinful (the Bible doesn't actually say anything on masturbation. The closest it comes is mentioning nocturnal emission in Deuteronomy 23:9-11, where the man in question had to spend the day outside of camp. After showering in the evening, they were then allowed back into the camp) is unwise, and that it is an "okay" practice as long as it is done infrequently.

For the record, these are my own thoughts and conclusions on the matter. Influenced by my own and others experiences, for sure, but still, they are my own. People will undeniably disagree with what I have said, and for that, I will be glad that I am talking with human beings who are different and unique from one another.


A point that was raised is that masturbation is no different that playing videogames or reading a book. I heavily disagree with this.

Although the argument that entertainment is "harmless" is up for debate (as while videogames don't actually cause violence (well, they can, but that's along the lines of increasing aggressive behavior in someone who is already aggressive.), the actual (and frankly, more concerning) problem they cause is desensitization, and it's not limited to videogames; movies, books, music, and even real life events will do the same), there is no denying that they can be launch-boards for thoughtful and critical discussion and analysis. Indeed, there are several films, books, and even videogames that can rightfully be called works of art, not just because of their quality, but also because of their content. Even simple elements can produce insightful observations, and they don't need to be particularly deep.

Masturbation, on the other hand, is simply an action that produces pleasure. That's it. While one could have their imagination stirred from reading a good book, have their world widened after a walk through a park, or be challenged by a videogame, masturbation offers none of this. You can gain something beyond immediate pleasure from reading a book; you can't do so with masturbation.

 

This took much longer than it should have to write. Part of this was just plain due to me being a slow typer (I really need to take a writing class), but it was also because my thoughts on the matter did change slightly upon reflecting a bit. I was also debating what to mention and what not to bring up, as well as how to say certain things.

And to avoid relighting a cooled fire, I'll go in a different direction (I was going originally to mention something about violence in entertainment, but the writing the above really took the wind out of me, so I wanted to discuss something else):

Why/How do you think the rumor that Fred Rogers was in the military came about? And why do you think he was originally mocked when Mr. Rogers Neighborhood first aired?

Also, a documentary film called Won't You Be My Neighbor? was made this year. Haven't seen it yet, thought I really want to.

I can't think of any normal circumstance in which fapping leads to serious problems. Same with moderate drinking.

You either learn to manage, or you fall down a slippery slope and get fucked by the consequences of your own behavior.

 

as for the part I bolded, there's nothing outright wrong with the consumption of that as long as it isn't underage. 

2 hours ago, XRay said:

Not everyone loves shit posts and blue cheese, but many do. It is an acquired taste that takes time to develop and appreciate.

It is kind of like watching the Bachelor/Bachelorette or drinking alcohol for the first time. You will find the content objectionable at first, but if you keep consuming it, you gradually get used to it and find it tolerable, or maybe even enjoyable.

This is the first time I heard about the rumor. I never realized he was mocked either when the show first aired. He seemed to be a pretty nice guy. I think the rumors and mocking may be due to its success? While I would not say it is my favorite show as a kid, some segments of it were entertaining enough to grab my attention, and I particularly liked the segments where he visits shops, factories, and other real life locations and see what people do there. It is sort of like taking a field trip, but on television!

I think the whole "Mr. Rogers was a sniper in vietnam" thing is a really old meme-like  story.

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