What's up with Alex Jones/Bill Hicks?

[Dr. Tarrasque]

Looks like Alex Jones has reached a point where he has to be mindful of what he does, Spotify and Apple are removing his stuff from their platforms.

[Karimlan]

Good fucking riddance.

[The Envoy of the Beginning]

On 8/6/2018 at 9:16 AM, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Looks like Alex Jones has reached a point where he has to be mindful of what he does, Spotify and Apple are removing his stuff from their platforms.

Facebook and YouTube too. Because of the lawsuits that Alex Jones and Infowars are facing, those tech companies don't want to get sued themselves for letting Jones have a platform there.

[indigoasis]

On 8/7/2018 at 3:00 PM, BLSoldier said:

Facebook and YouTube too. Because of the lawsuits that Alex Jones and Infowars are facing, those tech companies don't want to get sued themselves for letting Jones have a platform there.

I guess he should've just stuck to comedy then.

Oh wait, nevermind, he still makes it.

[Tryhard]

Alex is just not currently having a good time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/comments/9a704s/outspoken_transphobe_alex_jones_accidentally/

 

[XRay]

6 hours ago, Edgelord said:

Alex is just not currently having a good time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/comments/9a704s/outspoken_transphobe_alex_jones_accidentally/

 

What are you talking about, of course he is having a good time! Or else why would he... um... enjoy being a Ballistician shooting at pictures of Forrest?

Edited August 27, 2018 by XRay

[MacLovin]

6 hours ago, Edgelord said:

Alex is just not currently having a good time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/comments/9a704s/outspoken_transphobe_alex_jones_accidentally/

 

now all we need is cenk uyger doing lauren southern and we'll have a good ol time.

[Dr. Tarrasque]

And now the ban is permanent on Twitter for him AND InfoWars.

[Shoblongoo]

New Developments in the Case:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/429945-judge-rules-sandy-hook-families-can-depose-alex-jones-in-defamation

"A Connecticut judge ruled Wednesday that Infowars owner Alex Jones must sit for a deposition by attorneys for the parents of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims who are suing him for defamation."

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hope they make that transcript public.

ATTORNEY:  "Do you understand that you are under oath, and that if knowingly make any false statements here today you can be criminally prosecuted for perjury?"

MR. JONES:  

 

[indigoasis]

7 hours ago, Shoblongoo said:

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hope they make that transcript public.

That'll be fun to read. Most transcripts are made public anyway, right?

Now I wanna see if I can somehow bring this case up in my Intro to Law class. Not that anyone would know what I'm talking about, but I'll see if I can try.

[DarthR0xas]

54 minutes ago, indigocean said:

Now I wanna see if I can somehow bring this case up in my Intro to Law class. Not that anyone would know what I'm talking about, but I'll see if I can try.

If the transcripts were ever read aloud you'd have to remind them over and over that this is still in the court, and not on some fringe podcast.

[eclipse]

"But what if I think that all my bullshit is true?!"  I sure as hell hope he doesn't hack that out. . .

[XRay]

On 2/18/2019 at 12:05 AM, eclipse said:

"But what if I think that all my bullshit is true?!"  I sure as hell hope he doesn't hack that out. . .

@Shoblongoo can he use insanity as a defense? A normal person might have trouble discerning truth from misinformation, but Jones' bullshit is on a whole different level, so if a person believes that crazy bullshit, can the person even be considered sane? If he believes in his bullshit, that means he does not really think what he says is bullshit since he thinks it is true, and if he lacks the capacity to distinguish outlandish lies from truth, he cannot be considered sane.

His attorney argued that normal people would not believe his bullshit, so I assume if he believe it, that means he qualifies as being crazy.

Edited February 19, 2019 by XRay

[Dragoncat]

2 hours ago, XRay said:

@Shoblongoo can he use insanity as a defense? A normal person might have trouble discerning truth from misinformation, but Jones' bullshit is on a whole different level, so if a person believes that crazy bullshit, can the person even be considered sane? If he believes in his bullshit, that means he does not really think what he says is bullshit since he thinks it is true, and if he lacks the capacity to distinguish outlandish lies from truth, he cannot be considered sane.

His attorney argued that normal people would not believe his bullshit, so I assume if he believe it, that means he qualifies as being crazy.

I always thought insanity as defense was...iffy at best. I mean even if someone went out and murdered someone in a very brutal and horrifying way because the voices in their head told them to, sure, they may have a mental issue, but that doesn't make them any less dangerous. People like that need help, not lighter sentences and allowed to be back in society. Not until they are no longer a danger. Disability is not an excuse for horrible crimes.

Alex Jones can try to claim insanity and he probably will...but I think he knows right from wrong and is just being an asshole.

[Espurrhoodie]

1 hour ago, Dragoncat said:

I always thought insanity as defense was...iffy at best. I mean even if someone went out and murdered someone in a very brutal and horrifying way because the voices in their head told them to, sure, they may have a mental issue, but that doesn't make them any less dangerous. People like that need help, not lighter sentences and allowed to be back in society. Not until they are no longer a danger. Disability is not an excuse for horrible crimes.

That loosely reminds me of what happened to Albert Fish, obviously I won't go into the horrific details, but the court declared him sane purely because if he was declared insane he'd be shipped off to an insane asylum, and they wanted the death penalty for this scumbag (and honestly, if we were to call him what he rightfully should be called, we'd be here for a while).

Or I could be misremembering things.

[Dragoncat]

40 minutes ago, Espurrhoodie said:

That loosely reminds me of what happened to Albert Fish, obviously I won't go into the horrific details, but the court declared him sane purely because if he was declared insane he'd be shipped off to an insane asylum, and they wanted the death penalty for this scumbag (and honestly, if we were to call him what he rightfully should be called, we'd be here for a while).

Or I could be misremembering things.

Oh yeah I remember that he actually wanted the death penalty because he enjoyed pain. So it should be a case by case basis I guess? In his case, I guess he was never truly punished since he wanted to be killed, but on the other hand he can't harm anyone else now.

[Espurrhoodie]

7 minutes ago, Dragoncat said:

Oh yeah I remember that he actually wanted the death penalty because he enjoyed pain. So it should be a case by case basis I guess? In his case, I guess he was never truly punished since he wanted to be killed, but on the other hand he can't harm anyone else now.

I forgot that detail.

Thank god he's dead.

[indigoasis]

We've got tea, bois.

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-sandy-hook-alex-jones-20190322-ujvdc3qnk5aqzbqykyaxtkqvfi-story.html?outputType=amp

If you don't want to read it, at least know that some poor sap is going to have to go through 40,000 emails and turn them over by early next week.

[Tryhard]

The entire thing is on YouTube as well.

 

[Shoblongoo]

Multiple sources now reporting that child pornography has been discovered in documents Alex Jones produced as part of the Sandy Hook defamation lawsuit.

The FBI has been contacted and a criminal investigation has been opened.

That defamation suit about to be the least of Jones' problems 

[Etrurian emperor]

Sometimes that man has got to be a parody. Actually a lot of times he's probably a parody. But even then mailing child porn to the loved ones of dead children you demonized is....weird. 

[Dr. Tarrasque]

Wouldn't it put it past him to have mailed the child porn to those folks as some scheme of his to smear those parents involved in the lawsuit.

[eclipse]

Either he's supremely stupid or someone set him up.  Money's on the former.

[Shoblongoo]

1 hour ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Sometimes that man has got to be a parody. Actually a lot of times he's probably a parody. But even then mailing child porn to the loved ones of dead children you demonized is....weird. 

 

1 hour ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Wouldn't it put it past him to have mailed the child porn to those folks as some scheme of his to smear those parents involved in the lawsuit.

 

34 minutes ago, eclipse said:

Either he's supremely stupid or someone set him up.  Money's on the former.

The headlines are a bit clickbaity and misleading here.

Jones didn't mail child porn to the parents.

In the course of litigation you do whats called 'discovery.' Thats requests for production of witnesses and documents + exchange of documents between the litigating parties, carried out through their attorneys. 

What apparently happened here is that Plaintiff's attorney served discovery on counsel for the defendant. Jones answered discovery. (i.e. produced responsive documents to his attorney, which his attorney then provided to the parent's attorneys)

And in those responsive documents produced to Plaintiff's attorney as discovery answers--Plaintiff's attorneys found child pornography. 

Its unclear what kind of documents these were or what they were responsive to. Its possible this was just something like Plaintiff's counsel making a request for all email correspondence Jones had regarding the Sandy Hook shooting, and Jones responding with every insane email on the matter his fans have ever sent to his inbox. And one of those emails contained the porn.

...here's what we do know though, and this isn't something they're gonna let him off the hook on...

It was in his possession. It was in the possession of his attorneys. They didn't report it to law enforcement. They produced it to opposing counsel, and opposing counsel for the first time reported it to law enforcement.

That's a crime. That's a serious crime.

If I'm representing someone in litigation and they in the course of producing their proofs inadvertently give me child pornography, there's no attorney-client privilege there. I have to report to law enforcement and turnover the contraband immediately.

If thats given to me by a client as part of litigation and I put it in the client file + keep it in my possession and don't tell police that someone just gave me child pornography--I am now party to a crime. I have criminal liability. 

So it isn't just Jones. The lawyer representing him fucked up massively and is gonna be in deep, deep trouble. 

Even if it was a complete accident and he didn't realize it was in the documents Jones turned over--at best that's malpractice, gross professional negligence, and a serious breach of legal ethics.

At worse that's 2 felonies. (possession is one felony. distribution is a second felony. The moment the contraband leaves your possession and you give it to someone else--thats distribution--you've committed a second felony)

...people go to jail for that...    

Edited June 18, 2019 by Shoblongoo

[eclipse]

6 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said:

(snip)

Here's the possibilities:

- Jones had it for whatever reason, knew he had it, and handed it over: That's supremely stupid.  There's no way the courts are going to ignore it.
- Jones had it, didn't know he had it, and handed it over: That's also supremely stupid, and asking to get wrecked on cross-examination.
- Someone sent it to Jones via e-mail or something, knowing that Jones would need to hand it over: That's a setup.  And also supremely stupid on Jones' part, for not reporting it to authorities immediately.

I think the "best" case scenario would be if someone sent it to Jones, he never opened it, and his attorney didn't bother sifting through the discovery material before handing it over.  That's both supremely stupid and incompetent.