Special heroes of the 21st May

[Tybrosion]

4 minutes ago, Alkaid said:

So when we get bikini Fae this summer will anyone have anger to spare for bikini Camilla?

Nah, it won't be Fae in a bikini. It'll be Tiki again...in a sense anyways.

[Anacybele]

30 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

Fire emblem heroes isn't a stand alone game, can we stop with the 'It's just an innocent child playing dress up" nonsense?  It is just a very naive way of looking at things and completely untrue.  

This is the series where in Awakening we have a child sex slave who has been repeatedly raped/molested (Nowi) whom once she joins your party wearing next to nothing, you (the avatar) can impregnate and make her bear your kids.  Or you can pair her with someone else.  What do you think Halloween Nowi was about?  Pander to pedos.

This is the series in Fates where little prebuscent child Elise, can be married to you again 'the avatar' even if she is your little sister.  Or she can marry someone else, oh and she bears kids.  How are kids made?  Pretty gross.  What was summer Elise about?  Pander to pedos.

Now I've heard the argument, but kids dress up as witches and wear swimsuits!  Oh really?  Well why did this particular character who is portrayed as loli bait in their main games get put on these seasonal banners then?  For what purpose?

Seasonal banners are the ultimate whale banners.  Units are limited, they are not in the regular pools so you can't bank on getting pity broke by them a bunch of times if you are a big spender.  Now you have to spend on the banner for your best chance, otherwise the only chance you will have is much later in legendary banners where they share with other units.  Seasonal limited units are the biggest money makers, so you put units to draw money. 

So 3 slots.  Why was Sanaki one of them?  For one reason only to bank on the otaku lolicons which there are many particularly in Japan.  That is how Sanaki makes a lot of money.  Are whales going to spend 1000s of dollars cause 'aww some cute kid playing dress up?' or are they going to spend 1000s of dollars to fulfil dark 'child bride' fantasies?  Which seems more likely?  So let's not put off this as something innocent.  Fire Emblem is full of beautiful women and they could have used one of them for that slot to draw in people.  However instead they chose child bride pedo bait cause it will pull in a subsection of the audience that adult/developed women won't.  

What makes it even worse is Sanaki is a respectful well designed character in her game.  Nothing fan servicy at all about her.  It would have been much better if they used Elise or Nowi again, at least those were designed that way from the beginning.  No need to ruin and lewd a character like Sanaki.

Also the 'Don't think anything weird' or whatever just saying that is already gross.  Why even suggest it?  Sounds like some girl in an anime blushing and saying that to a pervert or something.  As far as dialogue, forget the translated stuff, I want to know what the Japanese confession and lines are. 

Yeah, and I think Elise and Sakura being able to give birth to babies and Nowi being dressed as she is is very inappropriate too. I'd like Nowi's outfit more if it was a swimsuit, but it isn't.

I have more of an issue with child brides than children in Halloween costumes and swimsuits because it's way more unusual and unacceptable to see a child bride. Those have heavier pedophilia indications.

[YotsuMaboroshi]

31 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

What makes it even worse is Sanaki is a respectful well designed character in her game.  Nothing fan servicy at all about her.  It would have been much better if they used Elise or Nowi again, at least those were designed that way from the beginning.  No need to ruin and lewd a character like Sanaki.

Sanaki existing is lolicon bait.  Same with Nino, Tiki, Fae, Myrrh, Mist or any other young girl character in fiction.  How they are portrayed doesn't matter as long as Rule 34 is a thing.

[Tenzen12]

Not every child in fiction is pedo bait. Perverts existing doesn't make them automatically target audience. Otherwise you could say same about actual children as well playing outside.

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Tenzen12

[Nowi's Husband]

21 minutes ago, Tybrosion said:

Nah, it won't be Fae in a bikini. It'll be Tiki again...in a sense anyways.

There's actually a pretty nice Tiki swimsuit design I found on the Japanese FE Twitter, based on TMS #FE.  Doesn't look lewd. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Nowi's Husband

[Michelaar]

21 minutes ago, Nowi's Husband said:

There's actually a pretty nice Tiki swimsuit design I found on the Japanese FE Twitter, based on TMS #FE.  Doesn't look lewd. 

Thats so cute!

[YotsuMaboroshi]

21 minutes ago, Tenzen12 said:

Not every child in fiction is pedo bait. Perverts existing doesn't make them automatically target audience. Otherwise you could say same about actual children as well playing outside.

Not all fan service is sexual in nature either.

That being said, FE in particular has had an inclusive nature since at least Binding Blade, with a wide variety of characters to taste.  Awakening and Fates simply made the pandering more obvious.

[Lewyn]

2 hours ago, Anacybele said:

Yeah, and I think Elise and Sakura being able to give birth to babies and Nowi being dressed as she is is very inappropriate too. I'd like Nowi's outfit more if it was a swimsuit, but it isn't.

I have more of an issue with child brides than children in Halloween costumes and swimsuits because it's way more unusual and unacceptable to see a child bride. Those have heavier pedophilia indications.

I also don't understand the Nowi is a 1000 years old so its okay!  I mean she is a dragon so human age wise she is like 10 or something.  Same with Elise.  The point isn't their actual ages, these aren't actual people, the point is they are completely undeveloped prepubescent children physically.  Being presented as brides, which means yes it appeals to lolicons.  

2 hours ago, YotsuMaboroshi said:

Sanaki existing is lolicon bait.  Same with Nino, Tiki, Fae, Myrrh, Mist or any other young girl character in fiction.  How they are portrayed doesn't matter as long as Rule 34 is a thing.

Nino actually has a chest, even if she is real young too. Also the thing with Caeda and Lyn, they are supposed to be 13, 14 whatever.  They look like developed women so being attracted to them is to be expected, the age is just a number for a fictional character. 

Yes and I'm sure some people have had lewd fantasies with all those characters however that is fine that can't be controlled.  However Myrrh, Y Tiki, Mist (also like Nino developed or at least starting to develop so like Nino very different from the other examles) are all portrayed perfectly fine in this game.  Nothing inappropriate at all.  Sanaki is presented as a child bride, bride banners are suppose to make waifu hunters go wild so there is a problem.  She is there for people who fantasize about child brides.  

2 hours ago, Tenzen12 said:

Not every child in fiction is pedo bait. Perverts existing doesn't make them automatically target audience. Otherwise you could say same about actual children as well playing outside.

 

No.  As I said those other child characters are fine.  We all know who Nowi's design was intended for.  Loli is a big thing in anime as well, FEH is trying to capitalize on that audience and it is quite obvious with Nowi, H! Nowi, Summer Elise, and now bride Sanaki.  

[Stroud]

Well, I'm also not too fond of Loli. Which is why I will try too dodge Sanaki.
But I still walk the path of the Tharja hype train. I just like yandere like characters too much, that is why In never board the Tharja hater train.

Still I won't run berserk on this banner, because there are still characters I'm waiting for in the future banner.s At least one of them has too appear D=.

[XRay]

40 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

bride banners are suppose to make waifu hunters go wild so there is a problem.

How is that a problem? No one is hurt in real life and no children are actually being married.

[BrightBow]

4 minutes ago, XRay said:

How is that a problem? No one is hurt in real life and no children are actually being married.

Out of curiosity, if this pedophile pandering is not a problem because "no one is hurt in real life", does that mean you would also be okay if the game featured actual sex scenes featuring those children characters?

In any case it's good if this doesn't affect you and all, but why would the average person be indifferent to see blatant pedophile pandering in the media that they consume? Drawn or not, it's still super gross. 

[XRay]

1 minute ago, BrightBow said:

Out of curiosity, if this pedophile pandering is not a problem because "no one is hurt in real life", does that mean you would also be okay if the game featured actual sex scenes featuring those children characters?

In any case it's good if this doesn't affect you and all, but why would the average person be indifferent to see blatant pedophile pandering in the media that they consume? Drawn or not, it's still super gross. 

I have no problem with it. As long as no one is hurt, anything goes in fiction.

The average person is not forced to consume anything, so they can simply choose to not consume the media that does not suit their tastes. Fire Emblem Heroes is not the only mobile turn based strategy game, so gamers have plenty of options to choose from.

[Nowi's Husband]

42 minutes ago, XRay said:

How is that a problem? No one is hurt in real life and no children are actually being married.

Agreed, fiction is a nice safe outlet for lolicons to enjoy their desire where there aren't any real victims, nothing is wrong with it.  I'm not marrying the bride Sanaki I will pull but I fully support anyone who does. 

[BrightBow]

33 minutes ago, XRay said:

I have no problem with it. As long as no one is hurt, anything goes in fiction.

The average person is not forced to consume anything, so they can simply choose to not consume the media that does not suit their tastes. Fire Emblem Heroes is not the only mobile turn based strategy game, so gamers have plenty of options to choose from.

That's great. If feel the same way. Well, at least I would be if IS would just commit towards making porn and stop trying to sell their masturbation material to people below the age of 18. I still very much think that presenting children as sexually desirable in mainstream media is a bad thing. Sexual predators should not get the feeling that society approves of what they'd like to do.

But either way, it's unrealistic to expect people to just silently abandon something that they used to like. Especially in this particular case since doing so would also waste all the time and money that they may have already invested into the game. This is a gacha game after all.

Edited May 19, 2018 by BrightBow

[XRay]

1 minute ago, BrightBow said:

Well, at least I would be if IS would just commit towards making porn and stop trying to sell their masturbation material to people below the age of 18.

Fire Emblem Heroes is rated T with suggestive themes, and Heroes does not actually have sexually explicit material in the game.

5 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

Sexual predators should not get the feeling that society approves of what they'd like to do.

Sexual predators are not approved by society. They committed crimes.

On the other hand, innocent people who have different turn-ons should not be demonized either when they have not done anything wrong in real life. Just because someone is attracted to children does not mean they are a sexual predator, and just as someone with a grudge does not mean they are a murderer.

18 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

I still very much think that presenting children as sexually desirable in mainstream media is a bad thing.

People have a capacity to think for themselves. Unless it is a child or a mentally disabled person, no sane person after years of education would believe everything they see in media is right. While distinguishing what is factually right is more difficult for a lot of people, distinguishing what is ethically right is not that hard.

[Lewyn]

1 hour ago, XRay said:

How is that a problem? No one is hurt in real life and no children are actually being married.

The problem is other than lolicons many people are disgusted by it.  I mean we can have horse on girl porn, or rape porn or children orgies all 2d animated in the game.  Should everyone be happy and accept it?  I mean I don't care what porn people get off to, regardless of how twisted, as long as no one is actually harmed in the making of it. However I don't want to see it in the game.  Most people also don't want to see sexualized children either.  

Sanaki is also an awesome character that I respect doing something like this to pander to otaku lolicons which is so unlike what her character is really like is just terrible.  If they have to do this, please use the established loli bait characters.  

[XRay]

2 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

The problem is other than lolicons many people are disgusted by it.  I mean we can have horse on girl porn, or rape porn or children orgies all 2d animated in the game.  Should everyone be happy and accept it?  I mean I don't care what porn people get off to, regardless of how twisted, as long as no one is actually harmed in the making of it. However I don't want to see it in the game.  Most people also don't want to see sexualized children either.  

Fire Emblem Heroes is rated T with suggestive themes, and it also does not have sexually explicit material in the game. Sanaki in a wedding dress is fair game. If it really bothers that many players, they can simply ignore the Focus. Fire Emblem Heroes also is not the only turn based strategy mobile game out there, so it is not like gamers do not have options.

[BrightBow]

1 minute ago, XRay said:

Sexual predators are not approved by society. They committed crimes.

I sure would like to believe that. But either way, I was referring to people who don't yet have committed the crime but have very much the capacity to commit crimes and are only held back by the potential social and legal consequences of such actions.

 

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On the other hand, innocent people who have different turn-ons should not be demonized either when they have not done anything wrong in real life. Just because someone is attracted to children does not mean they are a sexual predator, and just as someone with a grudge does not mean they are a murderer.

Oh definitely. I hope I didn't come across as if I claimed such a thing. Heck, I believe I read at some point that pedophiles are rarely the ones to actually sexually abuse children. It's just that predators often target kids because they are vulnerable.

 

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People have a capacity to think for themselves. Unless it is a child or a mentally disabled person, no sane person after years of education would believe everything they see in media is right. While distinguishing what is factually right is more difficult for a lot of people, distinguishing what is ethically right is not that hard.

One would most certainly hope that's how it works, but I believe it's very much scientifically consent that people are controlled by subconscious processes to a far large degree then either of us would probably like. Heck, I often even see the argument come up that free will might be an illusion alltogether.

[Alkaid]

21 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

The problem is other than lolicons many people are disgusted by it.  I mean we can have horse on girl porn, or rape porn or children orgies all 2d animated in the game. 

This is a T-rated game, so no we can't.

The fact the discussion has leaped from a girl just wearing a wedding dress to horse porn comparisons shows just how ridiculous the reaction has managed to get. It's getting blown way out of proportion beyond just disliking her alt and moving on, as it probably should have been. You are free to voice your opinion, but I think some people must be much more sensitive than the average person to see this banner and jump to "this is pedophile pandering and going to help perpetuate child abuse" as their initial thought. But I guess when some people also jump on Helbindi as a being a racist depiction of black people I shouldn't be too surprised. People need to chill out these days.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Alkaid

[Dr. Tarrasque]

Problem or not, it still begs the question: Why Sanaki as a 'Child Bride' anyway? Did they not see that it would have some controversy in certain countries? Was it even worth it to spend a slot on a gacha game's seasonal banner for a joke or pandering to such a subset of the audience while potentially offending or putting off others within the overall audience?

Such a waste.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Dr. Tarrasque

[XRay]

4 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

But either way, I was referring to people who don't yet have committed the crime but have very much the capacity to commit crimes and are only held back by the potential social and legal consequences of such actions.

As long as they hold themselves back, I do not see anything wrong with them.

5 minutes ago, BrightBow said:

One would most certainly hope that's how it works, but I believe it's very much scientifically consent that people are controlled by subconscious processes to a far large degree then either of us would probably like. Heck, I often even see the argument come up that free will might be an illusion alltogether.

We have survived for over 70 years since the creation of the first nuclear weapon. We might not be bright as a whole, but most of us are decent people.

1 minute ago, Alkaid said:

some people also jump on Helbindi as a being a racist depiction of black people

That happened on Serenes Forest? When was that?

1 minute ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Problem or not, it still begs the question: Why Sanaki as a 'Child Bride' anyway? Did they not see that it would have some controversy in certain countries? Was it even worth it to spend a slot on a gacha game's seasonal banner for a joke or pandering to such a subset of the audience while potentially offending or putting off others within the overall audience?

Such a waste.

That is a good question, but I doubt we will find out. Nintendo does not release their sales figure for individual Foci.

[BrightBow]

2 minutes ago, XRay said:

We have survived for over 70 years since the creation of the first nuclear weapon. We might not be bright as a whole, but most of us are decent people.

Ha, I most certainly agree with that sentiment. People are usually pretty awesome.

[Alkaid]

12 minutes ago, XRay said:

That happened on Serenes Forest? When was that?

Yes. It was just after we got the new story chapters. It got a bit scattered between other discussions on the new stuff, but here's a part of it:

There were some similar arguments over it by people on Reddit as well. I'm pretty sure Kaden almost had a stroke that day. @Kaden

[XRay]

12 minutes ago, Alkaid said:

Yes. It was just after we got the new story chapters. It got a bit scattered between other discussions on the new stuff, but here's a part of it:

There were some similar arguments over it by people on Reddit as well. I'm pretty sure Kaden almost had a stroke that day. @Kaden

Since I do not always check the general thread, I guess I missed out on the drama.

I think people sometimes are reading too much into things.

[Alkaid]

46 minutes ago, Dr. Tarrasque said:

Problem or not, it still begs the question: Why Sanaki as a 'Child Bride' anyway? Did they not see that it would have some controversy in certain countries? Was it even worth it to spend a slot on a gacha game's seasonal banner for a joke or pandering to such a subset of the audience while potentially offending or putting off others within the overall audience?

Such a waste.

Considering the liberal censorship some of the mainline games have had in the past over things the west might not care for, I'm going to guess they just plain didn't think this was going to be an issue. And I'd guess it really isn't, and it's just a minority of people being vocal right now. It's more likely the average player just saw her and went "aw, that's cute". They did change her localized title to not have the word "bride," at least.