New Special Heroes Incoming: Bridal Bloom (May 21 ~): Bride Sanaki, Tharja, and Ninian (Groom Marth as TT reward)

[silverserpent]

Some people are also forgetting another practice that was done in medieval times. Nobility and upper middle-class would sometimes have "child weddings" between children as young as four to cement a marriage contract. Of course, they aren't expected to consummate until well into their teens, but still. Some places in the Middle East still do this as well, I remember reading about one a few years ago. 

So, while Sanaki IS just dressing up for the festival, it's also playing to the connotations and expectations she would be under as a young ruler in a medieval society. Sanaki just thumbed her nose at the pressure to cave into such a situation in-game.

[XRay]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

So you think it's okay to be sexually attracted to children? Because sexualizing children even in fiction seems to imply that to me. Which is just not right. Imo, if you're sexually attracted to kids, you're a perv.

Totally okay. For me, I have grudges against certain people that I would take great pleasure in torturing and exterminating. A lot of people have fantasies that would be inappropriate if enacted in real life, but as long as it stays a fantasy, it is fine.

It is one thing to have an opinion, but it is another thing entirely to name call someone simply for being different.

Attacking someone for not being mainstream is no different from bullies picking on the socially awkward kid in class.

[Anacybele]

6 minutes ago, XRay said:

Totally okay. For me, I have grudges against certain people that I would take great pleasure in torturing and exterminating. A lot of people have fantasies that would be inappropriate if enacted in real life, but as long as it stays a fantasy, it is fine.

It is one thing to have an opinion, but it is another thing entirely to name call someone simply for being different.

Attacking someone for not being mainstream is no different from bullies picking on the socially awkward kid in class.

Thing is, others don't know who and who won't actually act on those fantasies. People aren't mind-readers. So it's reasonable to be afraid of or dislike them. I am, in fact. Despite being 27, I still look as young as 14-15. So I could very well be a target for pedos.

Huh, I can actually relate to Micaiah on something...

Edited May 19, 2018 by Anacybele

[Arcanite]

So how bout them weird C skills amirite

[Nowi's Husband]

37 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

So you think it's okay to be sexually attracted to children? Because sexualizing children even in fiction seems to imply that to me. Which is just not right. Imo, if you're sexually attracted to kids, you're a perv.

You can't really choose what turns you on, it just happens.  It only becomes not okay if you actually go after a real person, while fiction is a victimless outlet. 

[Tybrosion]

7 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

So how bout them weird C skills amirite

Ha, an attempt to actually get back on topic. Nah man, this topic is now clearly dedicated to the Sanaki "controversy" and absolutely nothing else. No exceptions.

God, I can only imagine that the Japanese fans are laughing hysterically at all of this.

[Othin]

14 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

So how bout them weird C skills amirite

You mean the B skills that look like C skills?

I was certain they were C skills the first time I watched the trailer. I guess it makes sense, since there's precedent for B skills being the ones to interact with assists.

[XRay]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

Thing is, others don't know who and who won't actually act on those fantasies. People aren't mind-readers. So it's reasonable to be afraid of or dislike them. I am, in fact. Despite being 27, I still look as young as 14-15. So I could very well be a target for pedos.

It is reasonable for a person to be afraid and dislike others who are different at first, but that is not acceptable once a person has an education and knows better than to bully and demonize others for no reason other than others being different.

Most people are not completely stupid nor ethically corrupt to the point where they cannot distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality or right and wrong.

3 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

So how bout them weird C skills amirite

New skill from Hoshidan Summer:

Blade 1:
Slows Special trigger (cooldown count+1). Adds half of total bonuses on unit to damage dealt.
Blade 2:
Slows Special trigger (cooldown count+1). Adds total bonuses on unit to damage dealt.
Blade 3:
Adds total bonuses on unit to damage dealt.

Lilina +Atk, -Def
Forblaze [special][effect enabled]
Death Blow
Attack +3
16/4/4/0
Enemies +10, +Spd, Moonbow, Fury,
Player Phase 208:12:29

[Poimagic]

Why does a topic bout seasonal unit devolve into constant argument, whether it’s about Loli’s Or Fanservice. And I’m here wanting to know what Sanaki’s stats are so a I can decided whether or not to give her Gronnblade if I pull her. Same for Ninian

[bethany81707]

2 minutes ago, Dominic the Dragon said:

Why does a topic bout seasonal unit devolve into constant argument, whether it’s about Loli’s Or Fanservice. And I’m here wanting to know what Sanaki’s stats are so a I can decided whether or not to give her Gronnblade if I pull her. Same for Ninian

They don't put those in the trailers. You want to wait for the next update, which will be much closer to the release of these units.

18 minutes ago, XRay said:

It is reasonable for a person to be afraid and dislike others who are different at first, but that is not acceptable once a person has an education and knows better than to bully and demonize others for no reason other than others being different.

Most people are not completely stupid nor ethically corrupt to the point where they cannot distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality or right and wrong.

There's a difference between 'appealing to off-beat tastes' and 'appealing to tastes that could get this game a restrictive rating, or even banned.' 

[Florete]

10 minutes ago, Dominic the Dragon said:

Why does a topic bout seasonal unit devolve into constant argument, whether it’s about Loli’s Or Fanservice.

Because nothing changes if people stay silent. IS has done some creepy, scummy things in the past, but this really is a new low.

[Alkaid]

4 minutes ago, Florete said:

Because nothing changes if people stay silent. IS has done some creepy, scummy things in the past, but this really is a new low.

To be fair, nothing is going to change complaining on Serenes either. People should send them feedback or drop a reply to the official twitter. The possibility of change is dictated by numbers though, so it's still unlikely they're going to do anything without the blacklash being truly huge.

[XRay]

18 minutes ago, bethany81707 said:

There's a difference between 'appealing to off-beat tastes' and 'appealing to tastes that could get this game a restrictive rating, or even banned.' 

This game is rated T for suggestive themes, so Sanaki in a wedding dress is pretty fair game.

[Kaden]

57 minutes ago, Tybrosion said:

Ha, an attempt to actually get back on topic. Nah man, this topic is now clearly dedicated to the Sanaki "controversy" and absolutely nothing else. No exceptions.

God, I can only imagine that the Japanese fans are laughing hysterically at all of this.

There's a thread on that: https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/8kdnj6/what_does_the_japanese_side_of_the_fandom_think/.

The FEH sub-forum of Serene's Forest, FEH subreddit, and the FE subreddit are all going to hell. Japan, at a glance, seems to be okay to also having some people being miffed about Sanaki. This is reminding me about that girl who went to prom in a cheongsam where people in the US were freaking out about it while outside of the US, particularly China, were okay or indifferent about it.

13 minutes ago, Alkaid said:

To be fair, nothing is going to change complaining on Serenes either. People should send them feedback or drop a reply to the official twitter. The possibility of change is dictated by numbers though, so it's still unlikely they're going to do anything without the blacklash being truly huge.

Meanwhile, I want to complain about the lack of new, regular axe units that have a chance of being demoted. After all, characters are just functions and they're just doing things to quote an enlightening view of what characters really are from a developer interview for Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite. So I would like more axe unit functions. 35/35, high offense axe unit functions, more skill fodder axe functions, more axe armor, cavalry, and flier functions, more, more, and more. In the meantime, I'll have to deal with bride and groom functions.

Link to the infamous MvC:I "functions": https://www.gamespot.com/articles/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-devs-on-preserving-depth/1100-6451133/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Kaden

[thanny]

If some of you are genuinely bothered by this whole Bride Sanaki situation, boycott Intelligence Systems as a company and stop using their products. Otherwise you’re part of the problem you’re accusing others are taking part of.

[Anacybele]

11 minutes ago, Kaden said:

The FEH sub-forum of Serene's Forest, FEH subreddit, and the FE subreddit are all going to hell. Japan, at a glance, seems to be okay to also having some people being miffed about Sanaki. This is reminding me about that girl who went to prom in a cheongsam where people in the US were freaking out about it while outside of the US, particularly China, were okay or indifferent about it.

I had to Google what a cheongsam was, and...I see nothing wrong with it. It's modest and covers a lot of skin. It's basically a somewhat tight-fitting dress. I see American women wear dresses like that sometimes too.

[Korath88]

I'm just surprised that the FE fandom never gets tired of arguing over everything. Yes, most of the English speaking fandom hates Bride Sanaki's inclusion, but is there really a need for this same point to be continuously repeated? Especially on a site that has no connection to the Developers. Also haven't we been through this before with H!Nowi?

Indifference is fine, though if you actually like her inclusion, I would really want to know the reason why.

@Anacybele

The cheongsam thing was an issue over cultural appropriation and not sexualisation. I don't really mind it, clothes are just clothes anyways.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Korath88

[Alkaid]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

I had to Google what a cheongsam was, and...I see nothing wrong with it. It's modest and covers a lot of skin. It's basically a somewhat tight-fitting dress. I see American women wear dresses like that sometimes too.

He's talking about the big incident on twitter where tons of people called a white girl racist/cultural appropriating for wearing one. They were supposedly defending Chinese people by doing so, yet actual Chinese people in China were totally cool with it and thought the Americans outraged about it were being stupid. It's an example of the online outrage culture that goes on a lot these days. (especially in the case of people getting offended on behalf of others)

[Anacybele]

7 minutes ago, Korath88 said:

 

@Anacybele

The cheongsam thing was an issue over cultural appropriation and not sexualisation. I don't really mind it, clothes are just clothes anyways.

...Seriously? That's even worse. What happened to the US being the land of the free? We should be accepting of all cultures so long as they're not harming or endangering anyone. Besides, that dress can be pretty imo. And yeah, it's freaking clothes...

And if the Chinese were fine with it and not offended...what's the problem? Some Americans are getting so stupidly offended at stupid shit. I can't believe I'm part of the same country they are.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Anacybele

[Lewyn]

2 minutes ago, Alkaid said:

He's talking about the big incident on twitter where tons of people called a white girl racist/cultural appropriating for wearing one. They were supposedly defending Chinese people by doing so, yet actual Chinese people in China were totally cool with it and thought the Americans outraged about it were being stupid. It's an example of the online outrage culture that goes on a lot these days. (especially in the case of people getting offended on behalf of others)

I mean a person wearing a piece of clothing of another culture is nothing really, yeah that is an overreaction.  Sex slave Nowi in Awakening?  Child brides?  Naa, that deserves a reaction cause that is messed up.  

[Roxas]

4 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

I had to Google what a cheongsam was, and...I see nothing wrong with it. It's modest and covers a lot of skin. It's basically a somewhat tight-fitting dress. I see American women wear dresses like that sometimes too.

tbh it's just another case of Asian-Americans getting riled up about issues that Asians living in Asia take no offense too/are very appreciative of, especially when done tastefully/correctly/in context/etc. also justice porn of the original (second generation) dude who blew up the tweet in the first place getting shit on by the internet anyway. 

[Alkaid]

3 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

Sex slave Nowi in Awakening?

Okay, I really need a citation on this one, because I'm pretty sure I remember her just mentioning that she was captured by bandits and made to transform for their entertainment.

The only time in an FE game I can think of where some kind of sexual harm is possibly alluded to is with Lene.

[Anacybele]

7 minutes ago, Roxas said:

tbh it's just another case of Asian-Americans getting riled up about issues that Asians living in Asia take no offense too/are very appreciative of, especially when done tastefully/correctly/in context/etc. also justice porn of the original (second generation) dude who blew up the tweet in the first place getting shit on by the internet anyway. 

That's amazing. lol Glad there are also a lot of Americans who AREN'T such dumbasses.

[Kaden]

31 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

It's modest and covers a lot of skin.

The hilarity is that it was made sexy/sexier since it was originally or the clothing it was originally based on wasn't like what modern, 1930s cheongsam are. I'd need to look into it further, though, since I'm no expert on clothing. Also, cheongsam literally means "long shirt" or "long dress" in Cantonese which is a bit ironic to me with some of the sexier ones. The Mandarin name for it is qipao.

If you want a similar dress that is more modest than modern, "usual" cheongsam, there's the Vietnamese áo dài. Also, yes, áo dài means "long shirt" too.

31 minutes ago, Korath88 said:

The cheongsam thing was an issue over cultural appropriation and not sexualisation. I don't really mind it, clothes are just clothes anyways.

I remember someone talking about the issue of cultural appropriation and cultural borrowing and how appropriation gets thrown at a lot of things and misused. So, someone shows up wearing a cheongsam, kimono, or whatever and they aren't from that culture. If they're just wearing it, then there's not much of a problem. If they're saying it's theirs and I don't know, making clothing based on it while saying it's their idea or whatever, then that's a problem. Also, disrespecting clothing is an issue like saying Turkish clothing is inferior, looks stupid, is for savages, or whatever, but that's something else. Whatever, there's articles discussing this if any of you are interested.

Another thing I don't get is why people haven't been in an uproar about wearing western clothing like suits, dresses, t-shirts, and jeans. Because if you think about it, it's cultural hegemony. Why wear other's clothing when you should be wearing yours and furthering your fashion? After all, you're just willingly giving up to western hegemonic ideas of fashion. Well, whatever, it's probably been argued before. And yeah, I'm being an ass, but I like looking at different view points, presenting absurd arguments and sometimes in a way where they seem reasonable, and demeaning both sides. Man, this is probably why I hate Azama so much. He reminds me of me and I just want to punch him.

"Clothes are just clothes anyways..." You'd think, but people argue about anything and everything. Sometimes it leads to good discussions that aren't vitriolic I think would be the right word while other times...

Edited May 19, 2018 by Kaden

[Tybrosion]

19 minutes ago, Alkaid said:

Okay, I really need a citation on this one, because I'm pretty sure I remember her just mentioning that she was captured by bandits and made to transform for their entertainment.

This was the line: 

Nowi
To men more despicable than you can possibly imagine. They made me transform for them... They drank and laughed and called out tricks...

Unless if "called out tricks" or "transform" are somehow euphemisms or if Nowi said something different about her captors elsewhere in the game, I see nothing that even implies anything kinky happened and as such I'm going to call bullshit on that claim of his.

I'd try to get this topic back on the rails, but it's pretty clear by this point that doing so is about as impossible as me finding every last Korok Seed in Breath of the Wild on my own.

Edited May 19, 2018 by Tybrosion