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21 hours ago, MilodicMellodi said:

One thing I'd like to see is how Muspell rebuilds itself after Surtr's death. Did Helbindi live his encounter with Surtr? Is Laevatein the next for the throne? Will we possibly see the forces of Neo Muspell allying with Nifl in a time of need late in Book 3?

A new mechanic I'd like to see would have to be obviously the addition of Beast units. It would be a great time to do so, and it sort of fits to do it this late too. Book 1 was the tutorial, and Book 2 was The Test. Book 3 is likely going to be the point where everything becomes more serious — where it goes from being a few skirmishes to being a full all-out war, but Book 3 would be the beginning. Beast units would be indispensable in times of war due to their capabilities, and many would sense the threat of war, so seeing Beast units (and summoning them) may be pretty likely.

Another mechanic I'd love to see is ally units. I don't mean having more available units (though that would honestly be nice, even if it's very doubtful), I mean having specific uncontrollable units on your side. Perhaps one or more story maps could have an Escort Mission mechanic, where the ally character moves along a specific path and you have to protect said ally from enemies along the path.

Another thing I'd love to have in the game, even though it's a personal want of mine, is character-exclusive upgrades for Assist, Special, and Passive skills. Like how many units have character-exclusive weapons that they weren't introduced with (Felicia with Felicia's Plate, Fir with Nameless Blade, etc.), units could have exclusive Passives and such. Lon'qu could have an exclusive upgrade for Vantage (either with a better HP condition or more powerful effect), Alfonse could have an upgrade for Defiant Atk that eases up on the HP condition (75% would be perfect, making it fit perfectly with Desperation). Cordelia could receive an upgrade of Pass that transfers the effect of Pass to Flier allies. Innes could get an upgrade of Fortress Res that reduces the Atk loss and/or possibly raise the Res gain. Heck, for Specials Peri could have an upgrade of Glimmer that boosts damage by 100% instead of 50%. They're just random ideas, but the potential wasted by not doing something like this feels, well...wasteful. And...this has to do with Book 3 in the same way the Weapon Forge has to do with Book 1.

Lastly, two things (even though this has less to do with Book 3 and more about helping units in the game). One, Healers should start having either a) less restrictions on some Passives or b) access to Healer-only skills that make them more capable of being specialized at healing or battling. Having access to Bond, Brazen, and Solo skills is a great step in the right direction, but they need something...more. Anyhow, the last thing is that Infantry should start getting more powerful C skills (meaning, class-specific Hone/Fortify/Goad/Ward skills) so that IS can have an excuse to make more anti-Infantry weapons than Poison Dagger+. I'm very happy that they've started to make Infantry more powerful recently, but once they stop and give a few months with nothing new they'll lose a lot of presence again. Cavalry getting some movement-exclusive skills like the Armored "Fighter" skills would be nice too, though that's less of an issue.

Infantty units are barely getting better. Special Spiral is in most cases only usefull for mages and even then only on specific ones and tactic skills are getting shoehorned by rally+. Infantry units wont have a chance so long they dont have skills that are on equal footing to armorers fighter skills (which imho was a mistake). The situation is kinda fucked up :/

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21 hours ago, MilodicMellodi said:

Is Laevatein the next for the throne?

I believe it's mentioned in the epilogue during the dialogue between Hrid and Fjorm that Laevatein will be ascending the throne of Muspell.

 

27 minutes ago, Hilda said:

Infantty units are barely getting better. Special Spiral is in most cases only usefull for mages and even then only on specific ones and tactic skills are getting shoehorned by rally+. Infantry units wont have a chance so long they dont have skills that are on equal footing to armorers fighter skills (which imho was a mistake). The situation is kinda fucked up :/

What infantry teams need right now is not better skills, but better distribution of its best skills. Infantry Pulse and Wrath have been released for a long time, but due to the fact that they are premium skills (and are on characters that are good in their own right), are hard to get. Special Spiral is almost guaranteed to have the same fate, which is highly unfortunate.

Even though Bold Fighter and Vengeful Fighter are equally premium, they have the advantage that most of recently released armors have one of the two skills already by default.

In comparison, cavalry have very easy access to Hone Cavalry and Fortify Cavalry, and fliers have easy access to Goad Fliers and Fortify Fliers (and Hone Fliers is relatively common on recent limited-release fliers).

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3 hours ago, Ice Dragon said:

I believe it's mentioned in the epilogue during the dialogue between Hrid and Fjorm that Laevatein will be ascending the throne of Muspell.

 

What infantry teams need right now is not better skills, but better distribution of its best skills. Infantry Pulse and Wrath have been released for a long time, but due to the fact that they are premium skills (and are on characters that are good in their own right), are hard to get. Special Spiral is almost guaranteed to have the same fate, which is highly unfortunate.

Even though Bold Fighter and Vengeful Fighter are equally premium, they have the advantage that most of recently released armors have one of the two skills already by default.

In comparison, cavalry have very easy access to Hone Cavalry and Fortify Cavalry, and fliers have easy access to Goad Fliers and Fortify Fliers (and Hone Fliers is relatively common on recent limited-release fliers).

infantry pulse barely has the power fighter skills have. What they should have done is make infatry flashing und heavy pulse a 2 space buff that lasts for a turn.

I agree on wrath and special spiral

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On 14/09/2018 at 7:46 PM, Ice Dragon said:

We already have two loose ends from Books 1 and 2: the voice in Veronica's head and Fjorm's cough. I would like it if they finally wrapped those ends up.

I believe they explained  Fjorm's cough. According to Hríd, Fjorm used herself as sacrifice for the Rite of Frost, so she is dying slowly. She didn't die yet because somehow Gunnthrá, before be killed by Surtr, "blessed" Fjorm with her magic, decreasing the Rite's penalty

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  • Fjorm: *COUGH*
  • Hríd: Have you told them, Fjorm? That you are a sacrifice to the Rite of Forst?
  • Fjorm: ...
  • Hríd: Like the Rite of Flame, the Rite of Frost comes at the cost of life...
  • Fjorm: Mother and Gunnthrá both... They sacrificed themselves to save us. It is thanks to Gunnthrá that I still live, most likely. And now that it is my turn... Nothing would make me happier than to aid Kiran.
  • Hríd: Sister...
  • Fjorm: I don't know how much longer I will live. And so I will treasure each moment I have left.

If we read the words that Fjorm said during the Rite of Frost, we can confirm that she "sacrificed" herself to grants the Breidablik the power to extinguish Surtr's Flames.

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  • Fjorm: Nifl, god of ice, hear me... It is your child, Fjorm, who bows in prayer... As an offering, I bring you my flesh. As the vessel, I bring you a divine weapon... We seek to quench the unquenchable, to kill the undying. Fill this vessel with your power...

So, Fjorm's cough was explained... Now we only need to know what is the Emblian Family curse...

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34 minutes ago, Diovani Bressan said:

I believe they explained  Fjorm's cough.

I know it's explained. But it's not fixed. Therefore we need to fix it. My Hero-King Marth is ready. Nobody gives best kouhai a terminal illness and gets away with it.

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5 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

I know it's explained. But it's not fixed. Therefore we need to fix it. My Hero-King Marth is ready. Nobody gives best kouhai a terminal illness and gets away with it.

Hold up... Are you going to betray your own race and slay... um... a fellow ice dragon? Have not you experienced how horrible it feels to be not dead yet?

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3 minutes ago, XRay said:

Hold up... Are you going to betray your own race and slay... um... a fellow ice dragon? Have not you experienced how horrible it feels to be not dead yet?

People should not be jerks to each other. Even if the people are dragons.

I don't need Marth to kill Nifl, just to ask it very nicely if it could back off from my kouhai.

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6 minutes ago, Diovani Bressan said:

My Hero-King Marth is ready. Nobody gives best kouhai a terminal illness and gets away with it.

 

4 minutes ago, XRay said:

Hold up... Are you going to betray your own race and slay... um... a fellow ice dragon? Have not you experienced how horrible it feels to be not dead yet?

BETRAYAL... BETRAYAL... I AM BETRAYAL!!!

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13 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

I know it's explained. But it's not fixed. Therefore we need to fix it.

But before it can get better, it must get worse. Which means either blood with every ill exhalation, an epidemic which ruins vast populations stemming from her, or each cough emits cold air hovering around 2 Kelvin. Or a combination of all three things in the form of what becomes known as the Red Snow Plague.

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1 minute ago, Othin said:

Honestly, I think it's fairly likely that Fjorm will already be dead by the time Book 3 starts.

At least IS should give her a decent death. Saving the Summoner, for exemple. Maybe she will get worst after some chapters and then a attack occurs and she sacrifice herself to save the Summoner, explaning she already knew the death was near so she decided to anticipate her death.

Starting Book III with Fjorm already dead will be weird. Or at least she can die in a  "Intermission" chapter or Xenologue.

Despite all that I said, I don't want Fjorm to die!

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1 minute ago, Diovani Bressan said:

Despite all that I said, I don't want Fjorm to die!

Given CYL2 sort of showed that fans grow attached to these OCs, and Book 3 will have been written long after CYL2, I wonder if deaths will still happen in it? Or if they'll bring back the remaining B2 characters because they're liked?

Of course, speculating on whether B3 will be written with fan feedback in mind at all, hopefully improving the narrative, is highly speculative. And bound to invite the setting of hopes, with no certainty they won't be misplaced.

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16 minutes ago, Othin said:

Honestly, I think it's fairly likely that Fjorm will already be dead by the time Book 3 starts.

Yeah, and I’d be willing to bet that her off-screen death won’t be acknowledged or even confirmed, a la Helbindi.

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52 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

But before it can get better, it must get worse. Which means either blood with every ill exhalation, an epidemic which ruins vast populations stemming from her, or each cough emits cold air hovering around 2 Kelvin. Or a combination of all three things in the form of what becomes known as the Red Snow Plague.

Last time I checked, being a sacrifice is not a communicable disease.

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2 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

Last time I checked, being a sacrifice is not a communicable disease.

And last time I checked, I guess you didn't know Nifl to be a degenerating dragon who demands fresh Quintessence, and that starting the Red Snow Plague via Fjorm will give them that.

Why didn't they start the plague beforehand without Fjorm? Degeneration makes for less than logical planning. Which is why Loki doesn't really serve Nifl, her true true leader has perfectly sane brains, despite Nifl giving her command over the elite Jotun Unit.

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Now that I'm thinking about it, this game heavily references Norse mythology and such, right? My idea about the war was just a random thought, but do you think that we're likely going to get Ragnarok towards the end of the storyline? That would be...brutal to say the least, with everyone dying.

Which makes me think...Surtr is supposed to be completely dead. Except, in Norse mythology, Surtr was a major figure in Ragnarok (being that the fire he brings forth engulfs the earth in his fighting against the Aesir). Could this mean that Loki is trying to prevent Ragnarok? Could she be leading/manipulating the Askrans to each kingdom in order to eliminate major players in the apocalypse, because she knows she can't do it herself?

Though if this is the case, what if Ragnarok's still fated to happen? In that case, who will be the equivalent of Heimdallr?

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57 minutes ago, Diovani Bressan said:

At least IS should give her a decent death. Saving the Summoner, for exemple. Maybe she will get worst after some chapters and then a attack occurs and she sacrifice herself to save the Summoner, explaning she already knew the death was near so she decided to anticipate her death.

Starting Book III with Fjorm already dead will be weird. Or at least she can die in a  "Intermission" chapter or Xenologue.

Despite all that I said, I don't want Fjorm to die!

There should be a few Paralogues before Book 3 starts, maybe even an Interlude. So if we get any more about her illness, it could be there. But whether she gets better or dies, I think her illness will be resolved by the time Book 3 starts.

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I really doubt IS will actually go through with killing Fjorm. If for no other reason than having Fjorm die in the story but having the free Fjorm stick around in everyone's barracks would be weird. And I don't see IS ever taking a free unit away from people.

More likely to me her sickness will either be resolved somewhere down the line, or the writers will just not bring it up ever again.

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1 minute ago, Robert of Normandy said:

I really doubt IS will actually go through with killing Fjorm. If for no other reason than having Fjorm die in the story but having the free Fjorm stick around in everyone's barracks would be weird. And I don't see IS ever taking a free unit away from people.

More likely to me her sickness will either be resolved somewhere down the line, or the writers will just not bring it up ever again.

They didn't seem to have a problem with killing Gunnthra just months after her release.

Or with

releasing Laergjan and Helbindi after they were already dead.

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3 minutes ago, Othin said:

They didn't seem to have a problem with killing Gunnthra just months after her release.

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releasing Laergjan and Helbindi after they were already dead.

 

Those are entirely different situations. The free Fjorm is all but stated to be the same one players get as a unit. Summoned Gunnthras are not the same as the one in the story. Same deal most likely with whatever versions of Laegjarn and Helbindi we get, unless we get story chapters about reviving them.

Props to IS if they do have the guts to kill her, though. Maybe they'll make her unusable in the story chapters, but usable elsewhere. IDK.

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57 minutes ago, MilodicMellodi said:

Now that I'm thinking about it, this game heavily references Norse mythology and such, right? My idea about the war was just a random thought, but do you think that we're likely going to get Ragnarok towards the end of the storyline? That would be...brutal to say the least, with everyone dying.

Which makes me think...Surtr is supposed to be completely dead. Except, in Norse mythology, Surtr was a major figure in Ragnarok (being that the fire he brings forth engulfs the earth in his fighting against the Aesir). Could this mean that Loki is trying to prevent Ragnarok? Could she be leading/manipulating the Askrans to each kingdom in order to eliminate major players in the apocalypse, because she knows she can't do it herself?

Though if this is the case, what if Ragnarok's still fated to happen? In that case, who will be the equivalent of Heimdallr?

Odin trash tier will be the endboss of Book III dun dun dun!!!

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1 hour ago, Robert of Normandy said:

Those are entirely different situations. The free Fjorm is all but stated to be the same one players get as a unit. Summoned Gunnthras are not the same as the one in the story. Same deal most likely with whatever versions of Laegjarn and Helbindi we get, unless we get story chapters about reviving them.

Props to IS if they do have the guts to kill her, though. Maybe they'll make her unusable in the story chapters, but usable elsewhere. IDK.

Gunnthra specifically mentions contacting the Summoner in the dream. It's the same Gunnthra, just at an earlier point in time.

There's full gameplay and story segregation here. If Fjorm dies, it will have absolutely no gameplay impact, just like Gunnthra dying.

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5 minutes ago, jake72002 said:

Book III will introduce Three Houses for sure. :D::D::D:

Three Houses is still half a year out right now, and the number three plays no significance in the Japanese title of the game, where it can very loosely be translated as Four Seasons.

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