Who has the "worst art"?

[Vaximillian]

2 hours ago, indigocean said:

which hero has the "worst art."

None of them.

[Fire Emblem Fan]

Halloween Nowi. Yeah I said it. That is one that I really honestly do not like one little bit. Lloyd and Lachesis are pretty meh, Rebecca is somewhat redeemed by good attack and damage art, and I honestly don't think Eliwood or Athena are all that bad. But Halloween Nowi? I really don't like it.

[XRay]

BB!Charlotte's face in her damage art, and the faces of Eliwood, Athena, Rebecca, Cordelia, and Lloyd in their art.

[property of nuvelle]

1 hour ago, EricaofRenais said:

I think that is where the problem is.  The artist draws women very well, but when they were asked to draw a man who is fairly manly in his original art it did not work at all because that was completely out of the artist's area of what they do well.  

Yeah that's a lot of the issue and happens for a lot of other artists and characters as well. Some characters and artists just don't blend well. I follow Pikomaro on twitter and they do very good with girls, but I hardly see any guys. Will say that they did a really good job with Wrys though.

[thecrimsonflash]

as a fan of miwabe sakura I feel rather unwelcome

really a hard one for me, I guess anything by akira, the lines are too bold.

athena is an awkward one.

though I find this is a really hard topic in general, because you either like the style or not in most cases and all the artists show competence, lloyd is the only true case of incompetence in here and even then it just seems like unfortunate circumstances.

Edited February 10, 2019 by thecrimsonflash

[YotsuMaboroshi]

4 hours ago, indigocean said:

As for myself, they turned Lachesis into a loli and I can never forgive that.

Cipher did it first.  Miwabe's Lachesis has pretty much the same proportions that kawasumi's Lachesis does in Cipher.  The only real difference is that the expression on Miwabe's Lachesis is too open, and the colors are much brighter.

To actually address the topic, I personally don't find any of the FEH art in game to be particularly bad.  At worst, there are some with features that are somewhat off-putting, but there's none that I'd consider particularly worse than the rest of the art.

[Ice Dragon]

Everybody in this thread so far is objectively wrong.

In terms of characters looking like who they're supposed to be, Naesala is the farthest off. Lloyd at the very least I can tell is Lloyd. Naesala's art is missing pretty much all of his distinctive facial features, like his beady eyes, tall nose, and angular jawline (Heroes Naesala looks trustworthy, and Naesala is supposed to look the exact opposite of trustworthy).

In terms of proportions being off, Sonya's idle art is the most egregious case with Olivia's idle art being a close second. Proportions do not need to be lifelike, but scaling of body parts shouldn't "pinch" like they do with Sonya's and Olivia's waists, which narrow abruptly both from above and from below (whereas their chest and hips are scaled about the same as each other). In contrast, the other two characters with noticeably unlifelike proportions, Gwendolyn and the Black Knight, both have their proportions scale upward as you go down, which is totally fine.

And as for just being plain wrong, Laslow's and Selena's damaged art both make their gambesons look like balloons instead of the thick padding that they're supposed to be. Any attack strong enough to tear a gambeson as if it were "normal" cloth would probably also have relieved you of whatever body part was underneath.

 

Not liking an artist's style is purely subjective.

 

9 hours ago, YotsuMaboroshi said:

To actually address the topic, I personally don't find any of the FEH art in game to be particularly bad.

There's a difference between "bad" and "worst". Every finite ordered set has a minimum and a maximum, but a minimum doesn't need to be negative and a maximum doesn't need to be positive.

Edited February 10, 2019 by Ice Dragon

[Nanima]

I'll just say this here, since the topic has come up a few times: I find statements like "artist X improved" to often sound pretty condescending. Because most of the time, when you check their work from before Heroes, it's honestly very good.

I am personally not a fan of Akira's usual colour palette, but when looking at their work as a whole, you can tell they are a very good and experienced artist. So when Flylivia was released, hearing some people praise Akira in a manner that suggested they finally learned how to hold a pen properly, felt incredibly misinformed.

Akira isn't the only one. Many of the so-called "bad artists" of Heroes have a very good rep-sheet outside of it. I don't know what it is with Heroes style of art comissioning that leads some artists to perform below their usual standards (could be tight deadlines, bad communication or something else.), but it's probably more than just "artist bad".

As for my personal least favourite, it has to be Arthur. Don't get me wrong, the comic style fits him well, but A) I just really don't like that style, and B) it just makes him stand out so badly from everyone else. Even Akira's early characters.

[YotsuMaboroshi]

20 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

There's a difference between "bad" and "worst". Every finite ordered set has a minimum and a maximum, but a minimum doesn't need to be negative and a maximum doesn't need to be positive.

I addressed that in the next sentence though.  Generally speaking, I don't find the difference between the minimum and the average particularly large.  There are a number I'd probably put at the bottom if I considered it for a while, but none that particularly stand out as the 'worst' to me, while there are a few that I consider higher quality than the rest and would immediately point to those as the 'best'.

 

[Dandy Druid]

Contrary to what many are saying, I like Lachesis' art, but for an ironic reason. I can't help but laugh every time I see that moe blob with that deep voice. Since it humors me, it's not my least favorite.

My least favorite is Lloyd. Wasn't Lloyd called handsome/good looking in FE7? I don't know if it's true, but I feel like there was a piece of dialogue from a villager or something that talked about the Black Fang brothers and how dreamy Lloyd was. Then his Heroes artwork came out and now Lloyd looks like an ugly meth addict.

Dishonorable Mentions to OG Cordelia & Rebecca

[Mau]

My least favourite is Jakob. His art just looks too 'rough' making him look like a creep instead of the pretty 'soft' look he has in Fates.

[Stroud]

3 hours ago, Ice Dragon said:

Everybody in this thread so far is objectively wrong.

In terms of characters looking like who they're supposed to be, Naesala is the farthest off. Lloyd at the very least I can tell is Lloyd. Naesala's art is missing pretty much all of his distinctive facial features, like his beady eyes, tall nose, and angular jawline (Heroes Naesala looks trustworthy, and Naesala is supposed to look the exact opposite of trustworthy).

Wow, now that I look at the art of Naesala it is really off. He looks like they gave him an face operation. Maybe he did that after Radiant Dawn. xD

I could also put Gwendolyn on my list, each leg looks broader than her torso. 

I guess you don't mention Lachesis being "correct", because she still seems to be intended that way by the artist. And if you compare her art with her classic art you just know that times changed. How a 15 years old has been drawn in the 90th is different now. 

I still have a bit fear that they mess up Rinkah, but after seeing Nailah's art I think I can calm down. Looking at Rinkah's cipher art I got the feeling that some artists just like to whitewash. 

As far as my subjective thinking goes. I do not like Selenas art very much. I still use her, but I think her face is a bit off. And it just reminds me a bit of flounder face Syndrom which I read about. Which some artists struggle with.

And I do not think that Athenas art is that bad as it is made to be, she still is not my favorite though and I like her cipher art much more which is illustrated by Masaki Hirooka who also made the artwork from Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia. I can't ask for more, an Athena by the one who has illustrated Shanoa. 

Edited February 10, 2019 by Stroud

[Cute Chao]

Personally, I'll go with Lloyd and Lachesis. I can only tell who Lloyd is meant to be from his clothing - he just doesn't look like Lloyd to me, which is sad 'cos I really liked him in his game and his chibi is so cute. 

Lachesis just falls victim to the moe blob thing. I can't stand that art style and hers is one of the worst for it. It doesn't suit her as a character at all. 

I will add about Naesala... I can probably only tell who he is because of his wings and hair (but I love that so much that I still love his art). His eyes aren't too bad for me, but it is a shame about his nose. I like small noses more than big noses, but he's one of the few big nosed guys that I really liked. 

Edited February 10, 2019 by Cute Chao

[GrandeRampel]

7 hours ago, Fire Emblem Fan said:

Halloween Nowi. Yeah I said it. That is one that I really honestly do not like one little bit. Lloyd and Lachesis are pretty meh, Rebecca is somewhat redeemed by good attack and damage art, and I honestly don't think Eliwood or Athena are all that bad. But Halloween Nowi? I really don't like it.

Out of curiosity, what is your problem with Halloween Nowi? The outfit, the proportions, or the face?

Because when I first saw her I cheered. Finally Nowi looked like she was supposed to look. I don't know if I'm the only one, but since the first day of FEH I had a problem with normal Nowi's art, especially the idle art. She just didn't look right to me, the face and the eyes in particular felt off. So when H!Nowi came out it felt so much better than what we had before.

Anyway, besides Nowi, I also find original Olivia and Lloyd pretty bad. But I never had a problem with Eliwood, Rebecca and Athena. Lachesis also looks good to me, not the exactly the style I'd use for Lachesis, but if it was a Heroes OC with that art, less people would find it bad. In my opinion Miwabe did her worst job with original Mist, but even that I wouldn't call bad art.

Same thing for Hot Springs Camilla. Probably the worst Iack has ever done in FEH but still not bad by any means.

[Fire Emblem Fan]

2 hours ago, GrandeRampel said:

Out of curiosity, what is your problem with Halloween Nowi? The outfit, the proportions, or the face?

Yes, yes, and yes. There is literally nothing I like about that art.

[Anacybele]

Oh yeah, HS Camilla is almost as bad as Lloyd, imo.

[Interdimensional Observer]

16 hours ago, ChibiToastExplosion said:

Interesting to me; I respect this opinion, but I love EO and so I am biased towards the artist. I really like the style and hope he gets the opportunity to do more units.

Same here I'd like more Yuji Himukai artwork. Being quite the EO fan myself. Hopefully Lugh gets the same treatment as his brother. 

And I'm pretty sure they already gave a Camilla:

"I command you to heal! And no suffering debuffs either!"

 

-Just no loli Necromancer please, that is, for reasons that are pretty obvious, a bit too much.

Spoiler

This said, they still have a whole good bunch of female designs that compensate for any oversexualized ones, and plenty of good males as well. 

 

 

 

 

17 hours ago, Glennstavos said:

I also generally make fun of any of the women who are missing noses. Most recently Hot Springs Hinoka. I get it, many artists find noses unattractive to draw but if you just don't include it then the face is just a shapeless blob where no placement of the eyes or mouth ever looks "right".

Also standard Chrom on the male side. His absence of nose is very off-putting to me. 

Reminds me, I heard in a part of India centuries ago, an adulterer would be punished with having their nose smashed. Apparently led to the development of rhinoplasty there.

 

I'll also add Narcian is problematic for me. Maybe it suits his character, but it looks out of place and leaves me feeling the twitch to put manual him.

Edited February 10, 2019 by Interdimensional Observer

[bottlegnomes]

14 hours ago, KongDude said:

I'm not gonna say who I think is the worse, but I'm gonna leave my two cents here.

Artists have bad days, artists sometimes do work that's heavily out of their comfort zone, and artists always improve over time. Yeah some of the art in this game aren't as great as others, but please don't let it be all that artist will be known for. Critiquing and having opinions is totally fine but I think it's fair to give them a chance to redeem themselves.

Lloyd for example is considered as one of the worst by many for multiple reasons, but Pikomaro has some outstanding work like Sumia and Charlotte. Lachesis is given flak for being too "moe-blob", along with a couple others by Miwabe Sakura, but they've honestly improved a lot of the course of FEH's lifespan, which can be seen on twitter and their GD Mist.

Yeah, seconding this. There aren't many pieces that I think are actually particularly poorly executed, much as I might hate some styles. Lloyd's art really isn't bad in and of itself. It's actually quite nice. It just looks too different from what we're used to seeing, i.e. less masculine.

I actually like the more stylized work of people like Eliwood and Hector.

 

1 hour ago, Anacybele said:

Oh yeah, HS Camilla is almost as bad as Lloyd, imo.

This one really does bug me. The proportions make no sense. Her torso is basically that of a bbw pornstar while her arms and legs are unreasonably thin for a healthy person. It doesn't mesh either. They just look tacked on. And then there's her legs. The rate at which they'd have to thicken to give her butt the necessary size to have her dress sit like it does is absurd. Her damaged art isn't actually too bad, but the neutral and attacking just make no sense.

The other two that seem fairly popular but bug me a bit are H!Dorcas's lack of nipples and V!Eliwood's lack of facial definition. Everything else has shading, but his face looks completely flat.

As for Naesala, I think that was an active decision to pretty him up.

Edited February 10, 2019 by bottlegnomes

[Silverly]

I never cared much for Lloyd. He’s supposed to look ruggedly handsome and earnest... and that in no way is shown in his art lol. Even his clothes are off, what’s with the bluish tint? 

Jakob is someone who oddly nobody brings up. The gothic style and dark shading is just so unfitting for him.

Zaza’s art (think they drew Florina, Selena, and Lissa) isn’t a style I care for either. They’re made way too scrawny to the point of being anorexic.  

[Yukiko]

Personally, my least favourite is Lloyd. I don't like how is face looks and he is very different from his FE7 self.

Honourable mention to Hot springs Camilla for her lack of proportions.

[Lewyn]

Lloyd, is terrible.  Lachesis is terrible, hate moe blob style, but also completely doesn't fit the character.  Also look at her art compared to Eldigen looks like she is over a decade younger it is ridiculous.  Never mind that she is a staff unit on top of that.  Wow Lloyd is also a bad sword unit.  So bad art and bad usability, that is rough.

 

[Ice Dragon]

13 hours ago, bottlegnomes said:

As for Naesala, I think that was an active decision to pretty him up.

He was already dashingly pretty with his sleazeball look. I don't see the need to make him look like an anime protagonist because he's supposed to look the part of handsome villain even if he isn't one.

[FoxyGrandpa]

Rebecca, only because of the lips. If they weren't as noticeable, or more like, say, Summer Robin's for example, then I honestly would have loved her art.

[Garlyle]

First of all.

Raven - looks nothing like the guy with the brown hair

Arthur - he's more like a cartoon cutout rather than a Heroes unit

Rebecca - I like as a character, but honestly her eyes are freaking me out

Edited February 11, 2019 by Garlyle

[NekoKnight]

17 hours ago, Anacybele said:

Oh yeah, HS Camilla is almost as bad as Lloyd, imo.

11 hours ago, Yukiko said:

Personally, my least favourite is Lloyd. I don't like how is face looks and he is very different from his FE7 self.

Honourable mention to Hot springs Camilla for her lack of proportions.

These two character strike me as the worst. Some other ones like Athena are strange but I can at least chalk that up to stylistic choices, but Lloyd and Camilla just look pale and sickly.