Edelgard for Smash Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Why is it so important to people whether someone is a racist or a sexist or not when morality takes a secondary role or no role at all? How is equality possible with this outlook when whoever isn’t the oppressor is automatically the oppressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) In b4 lock: If you subscribe to a humanistic theory of law and morality, that which empowers people to live free and happy and aspire to their highest potential is good. That which restrains them from so doing is evil. Bigotry is evil because it is anathema to the happiness and aspirations of the prejudiced group. Edited February 27, 2019 by Shoblongoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConquestVeteran Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Bigotry demeans whoever the target is, which goes against everything we stand for as a society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelgard for Smash Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Shoblongoo said: In b4 lock: If you subscribe to a humanistic theory of law and morality, that which empowers people to live free and happy and aspire to their highest potential is good. That which restrains them from so doing is evil. Bigotry is evil because it is anathema to the happiness and aspirations of the prejudiced group. Except the academic definition of racism and sexism specifically mentions power. So it is entirely antithetical to that humanistic worldview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I don't believe that the definitions of "bigotry", "racism/sexism", and "prejudice" are identical, but they overlap. You'll often hear of institutional racism and institutional sexism when power is relevant - but the terms are often dropped for ease of conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Edelgard for Smash said: Why is it so important to people whether someone is a racist or a sexist or not when morality takes a secondary role or no role at all? How is equality possible with this outlook when whoever isn’t the oppressor is automatically the oppressed? Stop begging the question. In other words, what makes you think morality "takes a secondary role or no role at all" (a role in what?), and that "whoever isn't the oppressor is automatically the oppressed" (whatever this means)? Your arguments don't support their conclusion in any part. Edited February 27, 2019 by Rapier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Edelgard for Smash said: Except the academic definition of racism and sexism specifically mentions power. So it is entirely antithetical to that humanistic worldview. 15 minutes ago, Darros said: I don't believe that the definitions of "bigotry", "racism/sexism", and "prejudice" are identical, but they overlap. You'll often hear of institutional racism and institutional sexism when power is relevant - but the terms are often dropped for ease of conversation. ^^^ This. Institutional racism is about power. Bigotry is just about being a dick to people for reasons that aren't steeped in who they are as an individual. But based on some personal prejudice against their sex or their race or their religion or their national origin.... i.e. hating black people is bigotry Bigots becoming cops and than using the power of the badge-and-the-gun to shoot unarmed black teenagers while court after court declares that their actions are reasonable under the law is racism. Edited February 27, 2019 by Shoblongoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelgard for Smash Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Darros said: I don't believe that the definitions of "bigotry", "racism/sexism", and "prejudice" are identical, but they overlap. You'll often hear of institutional racism and institutional sexism when power is relevant - but the terms are often dropped for ease of conversation. Ok then, why do people care about institutional racism or sexism if it is all about power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Edelgard for Smash said: Ok then, why do people care about institutional racism or sexism if it is all about power? What the fuck kind of question is that? Why WOULDN'T you care about institutional racism??? Edited February 27, 2019 by Shoblongoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelgard for Smash Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Just now, Shoblongoo said: What the fuck kind of question is that? Why WOULDN'T you care about institutional racism??? Because institution racism is only who is in charge, not the actual immorality of the racism itself. When people say that “so and so can’t be racist because....” they aren’t making a moral argument, all they are essentially implying is that their preferred group isn’t in charge and therefore it is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoblongoo Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Okay. I'm done here. Enjoy your lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 yeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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