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Good day fellow SFers, for sometime now I have been thinking of making a history-related thread talking about a certain subject and so today I finally decided on making this thread and I wanted to have it be about Russia, but before you post please read these rules:

The only rule is that everything stays Russia related, whether it is discussion about a certain aspect/point of their history or memes it's got to be Russia related. I put this in entertainment so that it isn't strictly held by the rules of Serious Discussion but I would very much preffer if it stayed on-topic, people weren't throwing insults at each other and/or spamming; This isn't 4chan's /his/ or /pol/ boards.

come on let's talk some history!

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A brief summary of Russian history that I shamelessly took from Wikipedia to start off the thread:

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The history of Russia begins with that of the East Slavs and the Finno-Ugric peoples.[1][2][3] The traditional beginning of Russian history is the establishment of Rus' state in the north in 862 ruled by Vikings. Ladoga and Novgorod were the first major cities of the new union of immigrants from Scandinavia with the Slavs and Finno-Ugrians. In 882, Novgorod Prince Oleg seized Kiev, thereby uniting the northern and southern lands of the Eastern Slavs under one power. The state adopted Christianity from the Byzantine Empire in 988, beginning the synthesis of Byzantine and Slavic cultures that defined Orthodox Slavic culture for the next millennium. Kievan Rus' ultimately disintegrated as a state due to the Mongol invasions in 1237–1240 along with the resulting deaths of about half the population of Rus'.

After the 13th century, Moscow became a cultural center. By the 18th century, tsar Peter the 1st had renamed Moscovian Tsardom to become first the Tsardom of Russia and later the Russian Empire, hoping to associate it with historical and cultural achievements of ancient Rus'. The state now extended from the eastern borders of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to the Pacific Ocean. Peasant revolts were common, and all were fiercely suppressed. Russian serfdom was abolished in 1861, but the peasants fared poorly and often turned to revolutionary pressures. In the following decades, reform efforts such as the Stolypin reforms, the constitution of 1906, and the State Duma attempted to open and liberalize the economy and political system, but the tsars refused to relinquish autocratic rule or share their power.

The Russian Revolution in 1917 was triggered by a combination of economic breakdown, war-weariness, and discontent with the autocratic system of government. It initially brought to power a coalition of liberals and moderate socialists, but their failed policies led to seizure of power by the communist Bolsheviks on 25 October. Between 1922 and 1991, the history of Russia is essentially the history of the Soviet Union, effectively an ideologically based state which was roughly conterminous with the Russian Empire before the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. The approach to the building of socialism, however, varied over different periods in Soviet history, from the mixed economy and diverse society and culture of the 1920s to the command economy and repressions of the Joseph Stalin era to the "era of stagnation" in the 1980s. From its first years, government in the Soviet Union was based on the one-party rule of the Communists, as the Bolsheviks called themselves, beginning in March 1918.

By the mid-1980s, with the weaknesses of its economic and political structures becoming acute, Mikhail Gorbachev embarked on major reforms, which led to the overthrow of the communist party and the breakup of the USSR, leaving Russia again on its own and marking the start of the history of post-Soviet Russia. The Russian Federation began in January 1992 as the legal successor to the USSR. Russia retained its nuclear arsenal but lost its superpower status. Scrapping the socialist central planning and state ownership of property of the socialist era, new leaders, led by President Vladimir Putin, took political and economic power after 2000 and engaged in an energetic foreign policy. Russia's recent annexation of the Crimean peninsula has led to severe economic sanctions imposed by the United States and the European Union.





 

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I'm no expert on Russia, but I know a few things. One of my favorite stories is how the Russian Vikings became Christians when they first came to Istanbul and they saw the golden mosaics inside the Hagia Sophia and converted on the spot because they were overwhelmed by it's great beauty. It's probably a dramatized account of events, but it's still a fun story.

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For those uninterested in reading, here's the history of The Soviet Union arranged to Tetris. It's not the full history of Russia, but it's better than any summary I could provide even with my years of study, and entertaining too!

Favorite Russia story? The time a computer error almost started a nuclear war in 1983. Here's the Wiki article for that

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49 minutes ago, Glennstavos said:

For those uninterested in reading, here's the history of The Soviet Union arranged to Tetris. It's not the full history of Russia, but it's better than any summary I could provide even with my years of study, and entertaining too!

Favorite Russia story? The time a computer error almost started a nuclear war in 1983. Here's the Wiki article for that

Hey I saw that video too it's so fun to watch. And lol, it sucks to see that such catastrophe almost happened like that just oof.


My favorite period though is the 18-20th century empire because it's just so cool. I love the arquitecture of St. Petersburg for example it's sad that it was mostly backwards but I love it nonetheless.

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1 hour ago, TheGoodHoms said:

I'm no expert on Russia, but I know a few things. One of my favorite stories is how the Russian Vikings became Christians when they first came to Istanbul and they saw the golden mosaics inside the Hagia Sophia and converted on the spot because they were overwhelmed by it's great beauty. It's probably a dramatized account of events, but it's still a fun story.

As I read, their conversion to Orthodoxy was so that the emperor of Keivan Rus could marry the Byzantine emperor's sister.

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Yes! Another topic about History

Whenever I think Russia my mind always goes to the fact that it defeated invaders from the west twice almost the same way.

The thing with Russia is that most of my knowledge about it is from the period that it wasn't called Russia and a few other trivial things (mainly Catherine the Great, Ivan IV and that the tsar ordered a dutch lamp company (Philips) to make chandeliers for his castle in the 19th century)

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Russian history never really interested me on its own but its probably the most interesting nation to read up on in terms of the Napoleonic wars. It played a vital role and Tsar Alexander probably did the most of anyone to defeat Napoleon. 

Making a lot of history threats is a good idea, btw!

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19 hours ago, AnonymousSpeed said:

As I read, their conversion to Orthodoxy was so that the emperor of Keivan Rus could marry the Byzantine emperor's sister.

Bloody typical, also happened in the 19th or 20th century iirc when an English heir decided to marry an American commoner who divorced twice.
 

19 hours ago, eclipse said:

This is fascinating, and in the wrong subforum.  I'll stick it in General for now.

Ok, good to know for later. Also cool you like history too... everysecond the Hestoerian Empire grows bigger!

 

13 hours ago, LJwalhout said:

Yes! Another topic about History

History bois of SF rise up!      And overthrow the tzar!
 

13 hours ago, LJwalhout said:

Whenever I think Russia my mind always goes to the fact that it defeated invaders from the west twice almost the same way.

Mr. Napoleon, Mr. Hitler come up in stage please.
 

13 hours ago, LJwalhout said:

The thing with Russia is that most of my knowledge about it is from the period that it wasn't called Russia and a few other trivial things (mainly Catherine the Great, Ivan IV and that the tsar ordered a dutch lamp company (Philips) to make chandeliers for his castle in the 19th century)

Hey Kievan Rus is epic too, it's fine to talk about it and yeah  lot of trivial things pop up in my mind too when thinking about Russia, Catherine the Great, Ivan IV and IDK Philips was dutch well now I do lol anyways those guys are part of the great GREAT magnificent! EPIC! RUSSIAN EMPIRE! Revive the tzar! Injustice to the assasination of his children! #F***Lenin but wait Lenin came because of germany my 2nd/3rd favorite country in the world so dang it.

 

10 hours ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Russian history never really interested me on its own but its probably the most interesting nation to read up on in terms of the Napoleonic wars. It played a vital role and Tsar Alexander probably did the most of anyone to defeat Napoleon. 

Making a lot of history threats is a good idea, btw!

Yeah IDK much Russia either which is why I wanted to start tis series on this thread specifically. And well I dont think the tzar did much, it was mostly due to Napoleons own incompetence and the russian winter.

Yeah I just I could have made a history megathread but well maybe later after I see the sucess of this series.
 

6 hours ago, redlight said:

Russian leader tierlist when?

Everyon atop Stalin and Lenin above Stalin, Putin is ok above the Rest but not the very best. Best is Either Ivan the III or Catherine the Great.

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13 minutes ago, This boi uses Nino said:

Yeah IDK much Russia either which is why I wanted to start tis series on this thread specifically. And well I dont think the tzar did much, it was mostly due to Napoleons own incompetence and the russian winter.

That's generally a bit of a simplification since there were already big problems during the summer and burning down your own capitol takes a lot of resolve. And he would go on to fight Napoleon at Leipzig too. 

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2 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

That's generally a bit of a simplification since there were already big problems during the summer and burning down your own capitol takes a lot of resolve. And he would go on to fight Napoleon at Leipzig too. 

Oh I didn't know that!

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On 14-5-2019 at 10:38 PM, This boi uses Nino said:

Hey Kievan Rus is epic too, it's fine to talk about it and yeah  lot of trivial things pop up in my mind too when thinking about Russia, Catherine the Great, Ivan IV and IDK Philips was dutch well now I do lol anyways those guys are part of the great GREAT magnificent! EPIC! RUSSIAN EMPIRE! Revive the tzar! Injustice to the assasination of his children! #F***Lenin but wait Lenin came because of germany my 2nd/3rd favorite country in the world so dang it.

 

Yeah Kievan also seems interesting. I'll more about it and then come back with new knowledge.

The tzar has never really gone, every leader during the Soviet Union and currently Putin had pretty much the same power (and arguably even more) ad the tzar. The only diffence at how they get their position is through power and corruption instead of their Birthright (I'll let myself out...).

Yeah Germany is really awesome (especially the low prices compared to the Netherlands).

On 14-5-2019 at 10:53 PM, Etrurian emperor said:

That's generally a bit of a simplification since there were already big problems during the summer and burning down your own capitol takes a lot of resolve. And he would go on to fight Napoleon at Leipzig too. 

Hasn't the whole, burn everything down that we left behind, been the key strategy everytime they where invaded and didn't Alexander The Great once tried to conquer Russia and fail because of similar reasons.

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21 minutes ago, LJwalhout said:

Hasn't the whole, burn everything down that we left behind, been the key strategy everytime they where invaded and didn't Alexander The Great once tried to conquer Russia and fail because of similar reasons.

I'm pretty sure Alexander never went to Russia. 

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17 minutes ago, LJwalhout said:

Yeah Kievan also seems interesting. I'll more about it and then come back with new knowledge.

I am resisting the urge to call that time Kevin now.

17 minutes ago, LJwalhout said:

The tzar has never really gone, every leader during the Soviet Union and currently Putin had pretty much the same power (and arguably even more) ad the tzar. The only diffence at how they get their position is through power and corruption instead of their

Honestly, you're not wrong. The tzar is very much still there just in another "of the people" way instead, even though that's pure BS. I will legit feel like a new world era will have started once Putin dies like Castro was to everyone else. Also instead of their what? I didn't catch what you said?

19 minutes ago, LJwalhout said:

Yeah Germany is really awesome (especially the low prices compared to the Netherlands).

Another proof of evidence as to why Germany must marry the Netherlands and become a new country, I mean Germany gets an actually good coast and Nethrlands becomes integrated into a world power + more funds for killing the water. 

Ich bin resisting das urge to sing Preußens Gloria.

22 minutes ago, LJwalhout said:

Hasn't the whole, burn everything down that we left behind, been the key strategy everytime they where invaded and didn't Alexander The Great once tried to conquer Russia and fail because of similar reasons.

IDK on that... I mean they did it in WW2 and moved factories elsewhere to amass thousands of tanks, when the Swedish Empire fought the Russian Empire (who was under Peter the Great at the time) they burned down the fields... they did it in those 2 moments from what I recall.

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On 18-5-2019 at 12:27 AM, Etrurian emperor said:

I'm pretty sure Alexander never went to Russia. 

 

On 18-5-2019 at 12:35 AM, This boi uses Nino said:

IDK on that... I mean they did it in WW2 and moved factories elsewhere to amass thousands of tanks, when the Swedish Empire fought the Russian Empire (who was under Peter the Great at the time) they burned down the fields... they did it in those 2 moments from what I recall.

After checking the facts I was wrong, probably thought of something else without really knowing the details. 

Funnily enough there is also a case that Moscow was burned by an invading force once I checked. The onces who burned it down where the Crimeans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Crimean_Wars#1571

Actually all invasions before the Swedish invasion of 1708 were a failure for the Russians (or Kievan-russians) so they actually aren't as unconquerable as we currently make them out to be.

On 18-5-2019 at 12:35 AM, This boi uses Nino said:

Also instead of their what? I didn't catch what you said?

That word that means that someone owns something since birth, due to his inheritance.

On 18-5-2019 at 12:35 AM, This boi uses Nino said:

Another proof of evidence as to why Germany must marry the Netherlands and become a new country, I mean Germany gets an actually good coast and Nethrlands becomes integrated into a world power + more funds for killing the water. 

Only problem is that we have a totally different language which could lead to problems since German isn't currently a course everyone has to follow (although I do think it should be), have a monarch who would likely become something of a duke and the fact that while our relation with Germany is really good at the moment (currently biggest trading partner) I think that most dutchmen want to become part of Germany. 

I also remember that Russia once tried to invade Holland with The Brittains in 1799 during the French occupation of The Netherlands. You can actually find some remains of the battle in dunes that are close to where I live.

Btw Kievan Rus is indeed quite interesting. Yet another interesting subject that is skipped in history class. 

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So I'm hoping someone can do the homework for me but what I'm interested in knowing in regards to this thread is, how do Russians feel about americans? Like could I walk up to one and try to be friends or are they going to hate me for my nationality? How does the average citizen feel about us (as in Americans).

I feel like the "attitude" in America or if I were to reference sociology terms then; the expectation in society [the norm/rule] is that we should think of them as practicing a culture with values and morales that is otherwise inferior to ours. I feel like that is a generalized perspective that is not geared toward accepting people for who they are so I want to know how they feel about us. Any Russians care to weigh in? Or can someone reference a russian's opinion on us? I tried talking to people about them (the Russians) and they had this tone that was not very "friendly". I get this vibe every time I see people talking about Russians. 

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Hey, It's @Vaximillian's area of expertise.

 

Myself, I found out I'm 1/8 Russian after I took a DNA test last year.  It must have been my Great Grandmother, who I thought was Lithuanian, like my Great Grandfather.  They both escaped the Soviet Union and came to America in the early 20th century.  The fall of the Soviet Union is one of my earliest memories, since I still have family in that region that my grandmother regularly corresponded with.  One funny thing I remember is that they always wanted us to send them blue jeans.  Since my grandmother passed away, I've lost touch with that branch of my family, but I'm sure I've still got some Russian cousins over there.

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On 5/22/2019 at 9:07 AM, LJwalhout said:

After checking the facts I was wrong, probably thought of something else without really knowing the details. 

Funnily enough there is also a case that Moscow was burned by an invading force once I checked. The onces who burned it down where the Crimeans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Crimean_Wars#1571

Actually all invasions before the Swedish invasion of 1708 were a failure for the Russians (or Kievan-russians) so they actually aren't as unconquerable as we currently make them out to be.

Guess that's why Russia is so mad as to invade Crimea right now, seriously "We are saving them from Western influence" What?!
 

On 5/22/2019 at 9:07 AM, LJwalhout said:

That word that means that someone owns something since birth, due to his inheritance.

Their state of birth? Class status? Damn I forgot the word too...

On 5/22/2019 at 9:07 AM, LJwalhout said:

Only problem is that we have a totally different language which could lead to problems since German isn't currently a course everyone has to follow (although I do think it should be), have a monarch who would likely become something of a duke and the fact that while our relation with Germany is really good at the moment (currently biggest trading partner) I think that most dutchmen want to become part of Germany. 

Uh, interesting I was mostly joking but can the Holy Roman Empire be revived???!
 

On 5/22/2019 at 9:07 AM, LJwalhout said:

I also remember that Russia once tried to invade Holland with The Brittains in 1799 during the French occupation of The Netherlands. You can actually find some remains of the battle in dunes that are close to where I live.

Btw Kievan Rus is indeed quite interesting. Yet another interesting subject that is skipped in history class. 

That's pretty cool! I would like if you could share pictures of it.

And yeah a lot of history does get overshadowed, I only really felt I was learning anything in middle school, elementary was like just really basic old stuff that fetishized the romans and talked about the evolution of humans too and the other grades were all about Mexico but not even it in-depth, in fact the new school  system in Mexico will make it so that middle school instead of going like:

1st = Geography.  2nd = History. 3rd History of Mexico

now the classes will be

1st grade = History   and 2nd and 3rd will be history of mexico, not only skipping geography which is cool but what more are you going to talk about Mexico this time?

 

9 hours ago, Tediz64 said:

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Maybe so but Americans probably downgrade themselves than they do anywhere else due to "OH we are so EVIL!!!! We like did bad stuff that no other country ever did!" but as for the russians I think it's mostly just some 1950's communist fear carrying on.
 

5 hours ago, Rezzy said:

Myself, I found out I'm 1/8 Russian after I took a DNA test last year.  It must have been my Great Grandmother, who I thought was Lithuanian, like my Great Grandfather.  They both escaped the Soviet Union and came to America in the early 20th century.  The fall of the Soviet Union is one of my earliest memories, since I still have family in that region that my grandmother regularly corresponded with.  One funny thing I remember is that they always wanted us to send them blue jeans.  Since my grandmother passed away, I've lost touch with that branch of my family, but I'm sure I've still got some Russian cousins over there.

Cool, is there no way to regain touch with your those family members? Or do they not know english?

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10 hours ago, This boi uses Nino said:

Maybe so but Americans probably downgrade themselves than they do anywhere else due to "OH we are so EVIL!!!! We like did bad stuff that no other country ever did!" but as for the russians I think it's mostly just some 1950's communist fear carrying on.

What? I don't understand what you said. 

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