Fire Emblem Series Timeline

[Popo]

Disclaimer: I realize that attempting to make a timeline for the entire series is extremely subjective and more or less impossible to prove. Anything that comes of this discussion would be pure speculation, but that's okay. This is just a "for fun" thread to throw a few ideas out in the open. :3

A month or so ago when the official Zelda timeline came out, I started thinking about what a Fire Emblem timeline that spans the whole series would look like, and I was wondering if anyone else out there has given this idea consideration as well. What sort of criteria would you use to personally order the games? I've come up with a couple categories--apparent technological advancement, evolution (games with monsters and laguz vs. games populated primarily by humans), appearance/manifestation of the Fire Emblem, games that mention a particular date or year--but none of them seem to hold up completely. What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any personal theories or ideas about how to order each story? Do you think all the games actually exist at once? I still haven't played all the titles yet, so I can't give my own verdict until I research a bit more, but if anyone else has ideas, I would be really interested in hearing them. :3

Edited January 20, 2012 by Popo

[Lord Raven]

Maybe Elibe FE is a parallel world to Archaneia FE, and the Dragon's Gate leads to Archaneia...

[VincentASM]

Here's me thinking nobody else cared : P

I don't have time now to add much to this discussion, but...

The first question here might be useful. It explains Archanea and Jugdral's relationship and puts a dampener on anybody trying to order games by advancement--some continents are just more advanced than others during the same time.

Edited January 19, 2012 by VincentASM

[Psych]

If you go by that and the Dragon gate theory, then it would probably be something like...

FE4 -> FE5 -> FE4 -> FE1 -> FE2 -> FE3

FE7 -> FE6 would come in somewhere around the Archanea era.

FE9 -> FE10 No idea about this though.

FE8 And yeah.

We don't have enough info about 13 to do anything with it.

[Popo]

Here's me thinking nobody else cared : P

I don't have time now to add much to this discussion, but...

The first question here might be useful. It explains Archanea and Jugdral's relationship and puts a dampener on anybody trying to order games by advancement--some continents are just more advanced than others during the same time.

Ah! That's really interesting. It discredits two timeline ideas I had. Jugdral seems more developed to me than the other regions, so when I thought about the games in terms of advancement and civilization, I was tempted to put FE4/5 at the end. I also thought about the Fire Emblem degenerating* from one series to another, and pegged FE4/5 at the end of that timeline as well because the object itself doesn't appear. (Edit: It's mentioned, but you never see it or possess it, correct?)

* In FE1/3 the Fire Emblem is a shield/is a stone in a shield, then in Roy's game it's a small gem, then in it's split into two pieces in Sacred Stones, and in Ike's game, it doesn't even resemble the Fire Emblem proper any more.

Edited January 20, 2012 by Popo

[Psych]

In FE4/5, the Fire Emblem was the seal of House Velthomer.

[Rehab]

A Fire Emblem game that has the forces of multiple continents interacting has been a fantasy of mine for almost as long as I've had the games. I'm no longer sure how that would work out, though a lot of FE4-style political intrigue would be nice.

[VincentASM]

I had too much fun with this.

I wanted to have a triple timeline split like the Zelda timeline and it wasn't too hard to achieve.

I like to think that Ashunera fails to stop the war, like the Hero of Time fails, and her power is inherited by the dragons, creating the Divine Dragons (lit. God Dragons, or as FE11/12 suspiciously call them, Goddess Dragons).

[CT075]

That...somewhat makes sense. What I don't understand is the relation between the end of Beorc/Laguz society and the Elibian world.

As for going from SoS to Sacred Stones, I think we might be going about this the wrong way. I can imagine a sort of alternate version of FE9 (or 10's) story in which either Ike fails to defeat Ashnard or Elincia is overthrown or whatever. The new leader rests for a while, biding time, then attacks Begnion. The resulting war causes Sephiran and Dheginsea to awaken the goddess Ashera. This time, however, instead of going nuts (circa FE10), she creates a monstrosity of 'order' that will force the warring sides to unite else they are wiped out completely. Said creature is tainted by Lehran's Medallion, becoming the Demon King. The beorc countries unite, but the beast/bird tribes refuse to ally with the united 'human' front despite Dheg's urging. As a result, they're wiped out along with a good chunk of the dragon tribes who tried to help them. This leaves just a few dragons, led by Dheginsea, who go into hiding in the Serenes Forest. After a few decades of fighting (or so), the heroes described by Magvelian legend rise up and defeat it. Lehran and Dheginsea used the rest of their strength to seal all the chaos that had been unleashed into the sacred stone, which was split among the nations as stated. The dragon tribes, mourning their king, created the shrine. The chaos/evil/etc. leaking from the stone tainted the forest, which became the Darkling Woods (or whatever).

...it's probably super-farfetched, but I'm tired gimme a break

[Lord Raven]

I think most non-dragon Laguz will have died out in Tellius simply because Branded children strip Laguz of their power while they keep a Beorc-like appearance. Therefore, we see Beorc-Branded and Laguz-Branded pairs and the Branded will eventually make their way into being closer to the Beorc... which explains the lack of Laguz in Elibe I suppose :P

I worded it pretty poorly, but I'm trying to say that because of a Beorc-like appearance overpowering Laguz strength, then Beorc would become ultimately dominant and the Branded would fade over time because of Beorc dominance. They haven't explained what happens when a Beorc and a Branded mate, so I have no clue.

Sacred Stones could take place in a different world where Earth Dragons eventually fled to... as an indomitable spirit that was reincarnated into the Demon King and his goons.

FAN WANK IS FAN WANK

Edited January 20, 2012 by Mercenary Raven

[Geriba]

What we know for sure:

4 -> 5 -> 1 -> 2 -> 3

6 -> 7

9 -> 10

lol 8

I'm tempted to put the Tellius era at the very beginning, as it deals with the origin of the world at greater length and features the Laguz, who are never seen again. The Elibe saga can really take place anywhere, even between 4/5 and 1/2/3. 8 is just irrelevant.

Edited January 20, 2012 by Doomguy

[Celice]

Don't forget that they can happen concurrently as well.

[Popo]

Maybe Elibe FE is a parallel world to Archaneia FE, and the Dragon's Gate leads to Archaneia...

I've heard of this theory before, but I don't remember where I first read about it. Is there a place I can get more info on this? I haven't played any of the Marth's games. >o<

In FE4/5, the Fire Emblem was the seal of House Velthomer.

Right. I was just wondering what form it takes, such as a gem for instance, but because I'm fairly certain it's never actually seen, I'm assuming it could be anything. I haven't played FE4 though, so definitely correct me if I'm wrong. XD

A Fire Emblem game that has the forces of multiple continents interacting has been a fantasy of mine for almost as long as I've had the games. I'm no longer sure how that would work out, though a lot of FE4-style political intrigue would be nice.

That would be absolutely wonderful. ;__;

I had too much fun with this.

That's extremely impressive! :0

Sorry if I sound silly, but do the "Non-Kaga" and "Kaga" columns merge in the middle, or is this where the timeline splits? If they don't merge, then were you implying that FE6/7 and FE1/3 don't exist in the same timeline at all?

Edited January 20, 2012 by Popo

[Anouleth]

Well, I think that Elibe probably follows on from Tellius if from anywhere. The Ending Winter probably killed off all the non-dragon laguz and changed the shape of the continent...

[Lord Raven]

I've heard of this theory before, but I don't remember where I first read about it. Is there a place I can get more info on this? I haven't played any of the Marth's games. >o<

Sorry Popo it's actually just wild speculation :( I can't think of any evidence aside from the fact that it has to lead SOMEWHERE...

[Popo]

Sorry Popo it's actually just wild speculation :( I can't think of any evidence aside from the fact that it has to lead SOMEWHERE...

Oh! I see. I was thinking that maybe there was something suspiciously similar to the Dragon's Gate in Marth's game.

[Bluedoom]

Perhaps all continents existed at once and they experienced the battle with evil forces at different timings?

That and then the great flood happens, which drowns all the other continents. Then we have the Tellius arc.

[deranger]

From my FE knowledge and reading this, it looks like the only possible connections between the continents are dragons and the fire emblem. It does seem like the Tellius arc would happen first and crossbows and poleaxes were forgotten along with laguz over time because it involves creation and what not. Elibian dragons could be dragon Laguz, who went full dragon on Elibe before they were forced to "relearn" human form during the never ending winter. After all, "men and dragons coexisted in peace for many ages" on Elibe.

[VincentASM]

That's extremely impressive! :0

Sorry if I sound silly, but do the "Non-Kaga" and "Kaga" columns merge in the middle, or is this where the timeline splits? If they don't merge, then were you implying that FE6/7 and FE1/3 don't exist in the same timeline at all?

Oh yeah, the timeline isn't really clear, but all the events that are horizontal occur concurrently. For instance, The Scouring in Elibe occurs at the same time as the Archanean dragons' decline.

Funnily enough, I did some research (I wrote that article) on TearRing Saga and it seems that 2000 years ago, dragons started vanishing, which almost makes it a perfect fit on the timeline, depending on how you interpret events.

Oh! I see. I was thinking that maybe there was something suspiciously similar to the Dragon's Gate in Marth's game.

About this, Farina and Dart's supports seem to mention a place beyond the Dragon's Gate, which could be Archanea.

Farina: “The treasure lies on the other side of the door that separates fire and water.” Fire and water, huh? The Nabata desert, maybe?

Dart: Don’t you wish! See! That’s why it’s going to take a pirate’s mind to unravel this one, lassie! It’s got to be the Dragon’s Gate on the Dread Isle!

Farina: Really? That doesn’t sound right for some reason...

Dart: Yeah, well maybe that’s because you weren’t paying attention to this bit that says “The hidden white fang...” That’s gotta be the Ilian wyvern’s...

Farina: No way. There are no wyverns in Ilia...

Dart: A-Are you serious? Then that would mean... Aww...

For some reason, I think "the hidden white fang" might be a reference to the Falchion, or the Ice Dragons of Archanea.

We don't see any Dragon's Gates in Archanea, but if there was one, it might be in Doluna or at the Ice Dragon's Temple. Curiously, Nagi's resting place is an island tower in another dimension... maybe the Dread Isle?

[Racer]

Well I think that Archanea and Elibe are in the same world because iirc Jake (the ballistican from FE1/11) made a cameo in FE7. Because hes still around at that point Archanea and Elibe's times are probably not that far off. But it could be just me.

[VincentASM]

Well I think that Archanea and Elibe are in the same world because iirc Jake (the ballistican from FE1/11) made a cameo in FE7. Because hes still around at that point Archanea and Elibe's times are probably not that far off. But it could be just me.

Well, apparently time travel is possible (eg. via the Dragon's Gate), or maybe Anna and Jake aren't "normal characters", or perhaps there are multiple Anna and Jakes around.

Case in point, Kaga stated that FE4 takes place long before FE3, yet Jake in FE4 mentions how the name "Linde" is familiar to him. Although it's possible the writers didn't think hard when adding the reference.

Edited January 20, 2012 by VincentASM

[Psych]

Oh yeah, the timeline isn't really clear, but all the events that are horizontal occur concurrently. For instance, The Scouring in Elibe occurs at the same time as the Archanean dragons' decline.

Funnily enough, I did some research (I wrote that article) on TearRing Saga and it seems that 2000 years ago, dragons started vanishing, which almost makes it a perfect fit on the timeline, depending on how you interpret events.

About this, Farina and Dart's supports seem to mention a place beyond the Dragon's Gate, which could be Archanea.

For some reason, I think "the hidden white fang" might be a reference to the Falchion, or the Ice Dragons of Archanea.

We don't see any Dragon's Gates in Archanea, but if there was one, it might be in Doluna or at the Ice Dragon's Temple. Curiously, Nagi's resting place is an island tower in another dimension... maybe the Dread Isle?

I don't know why, but I always got the feeling Archanea's gate might be something like the Fane of Ramon or whatever it is. The place where you find Tiki for the first time in Book 1.

[Lord Raven]

Well, apparently time travel is possible (eg. via the Dragon's Gate), or maybe Anna and Jake aren't "normal characters", or perhaps there are multiple Anna and Jakes around.

They should make a game centered around them. Skyward Sword like.

Jeremiah's (thats his name for now) hatred towards Anna and Jake will cause his hatred to plague the land and Anna has to help the heroes (through tutorials and suspend points) prevail over darkness!!