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Damn, Anna sounds like a very smart woman. I might have to pair her with MU when playing, but that means one less bunny person...

I'm torn.

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Seems like this topic is full of rage. Nono was something to be expected (and if this game is localized, I hope they don't change her one bit... (sadly, they will, cause god knows, it's Nintendo.) and set dem moral guardians off like powder keg met a fire arrow.) but really? Firing at Sumia... /lesigh

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What, it's pretty unrealistic for everyone to like every character. And as this thread does have her supports, what's wrong with people not liking Sumia's characterisation after they see her script?

Though, I do hope there's another depth to her instead of being just lolklutz. From what I've seen in the JRPG guy's playthrough, she apologises for /everything/ (even when attacking). She did slap Krom once, though, and although she apologised for that too, I'd like to see what that's about.

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Seems like this topic is full of rage. Nono was something to be expected (and if this game is localized, I hope they don't change her one bit... (sadly, they will, cause god knows, it's Nintendo.) and set dem moral guardians off like powder keg met a fire arrow.) but really? Firing at Sumia... /lesigh

I have a right to dislike Sumia if I dislike what her supports portray about her character. We all have our favorite and disliked characters in FE, for whatever reasons. Personality, pairing reasons, looks, or unit statistics. So far, I dislike Sumia because I dislike what her character description and supports portray her to be like. If people are "firing at Sumia," it's because her character doesn't appeal to them.

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Sumia isn't popular on 2ch boards. She has her own hate thread, for crying out loud.

but I'm guessing that most of that comes her being an obstacle to Rufure x Krom OTP rather than her actual personality

fandom shipping can be REALLY scary after all. If you're familiar with Harry Potter, you should know what I mean.

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There's no talk about dragonbunnies though. xD

Awww... Still the question remains, if it was possible to get a child with Manakete and Laguz Taguel blood, would they be able to take both forms (gameplaywise yes), take only the more dominant form (like how Leannes and Naesalas children were either Heron or Raven) or would their transformed form be a mixture of both forms? Dragonbunny!

People worrying about "personality" and "character". You guys are funny. :3

If I remember correctly from what I read in your posts you also like Sariya because of her personality, not just her looks.

So, what's funny about that?

Personally, I prefer characters with a nice backstory and character developement more than just good looking ones. Great looks don't hurt though.

but I'm guessing that most of that comes her being an obstacle to Rufure x Krom OTP rather than her actual personality

fandom shipping can be REALLY scary after all. If you're familiar with Harry Potter, you should know what I mean.

Don't remind me... Snape x Hermione gives me the creeps.

So people want their Mary Sue to marry the prince? Well what a suprise.

But personally I don't get the appeal of such an oblivious love interest.

Is that similar to the Sumia + klutz = adorable?

The best reason to fall for someone is because they always carry candy with them (Gaia)

Or will have an awesome son (Serge)

Or look like your best friend (Miriel)

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I'll do Noire's one at a time

Noire x Rufure (female). Non-family.

C rank

Noire: ah.. Rufure

Rufure: Noire, what do you need?

Noire: ah well.. nothing in particular. It's just.. is it okay if I come closer?

Rufure: ? I.. don't mind that, but why?

Noire: you know, you're really wonderful.. I wish you were my mother..

Rufure: eeehh? but you already have Saria as your mother

Noire: That person didn't exactly fit my ideal image of a mother..

Rufure: oh really now? I don't have any memories of my own mother, so I can't imagine what an ideal mother would be.

Noire: What I'm saying that you are more mother-like than my own mother. Uhm.. can I call you mom?

Rufure: Eh? uh uhm..

Noire: No good?

Rufure: How shall I put it.. that would cause a lot of misunderstanding so..

Noire: sniff

Rufure: N, no.. don't cry like that. how about this .. I don't want you to call me mother, but you can come close whenever you want? ok?

Noire: th.. thank you so much. I will come again !

:: Noire leaves ::

Rufure: I wonder what she was thinking.. that Noire..

B rank

Noire: Rufure.. can I come near you again?

Rufure: Y. yes. that would be fine... but I'm still not sure why you are interested in me. If I recall correctly, you said I was motherly

Noire: You are strong and gentle.Whether in your daily life, or on the battlefield, you guide us through. You are someone that embraces

all of us tenderly, and also someone that protects use from harm. Those two traits combined makes the the ideal mother. Th.. that's why

you are a mother to all of us.

Rufure: hmm... but do I really deserve all that praise? I'm still young and inexperienced.

Noire: don't you have a memory loss? Maybe you don't remember how old you really are.

Rufure: eeh!? wait are you saying that I'm just dressing up to look younger and I'm considerably

older? I don't know what to think about that.

Noire: D. don't concern yourself with that. Actually a mother who is not shackled by her age and

has a young spirit would be the ideal.

Rufure: an ideal mother..I've never asked but.. what happened to Saria in the future?

Noire: ......... our mothers.. they have all passed away

Rufure: eh !?

Noire: Our fathers died in battle.. our mothers took their children and tried to survive the aftermath.. but one by one, they all

died protecting us from corpse soldiers.

Rufure: I.. I see.. is that why you yar for a mother figure so much..

Noire: yes.. I'm happy we got to talk to each other again. .. Excuse me.

Rufure: Noire..

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Sumia isn't popular on 2ch boards. She has her own hate thread, for crying out loud.

O_o Uhh ... I may dislike Sumia, but hate threads are going way too far. Shippers are scary, really scary indeed. Harry Potter shippers, Avatar the Last Airbender shippers ... and maybe FE shippers at select sites. They're usually not too bad here, though.

I want to make it clear, though, if Sumia's supports and dialogue showed that there was more to her than some "klutzy, self-doubting, animal-whispering, overly apologetic ditz of a pegasus knight," I wouldn't dislike her. It's just that so far, of the supports I've seen of her, she doesn't really endear herself to me. I don't dislike her for shipping reasons, even if I'd rather pair Olivia, Mariabel, and Soiree with Krom over her. Rather, I dislike Krom and Sumia's supports because I don't like what about her character is revealed in that support. I can go into detail if anyone wants me to. I don't dislike characters for shipping reasons, but rather because of personality (or lack thereof).

To keep on topic, I appreciate the work of everyone who's translating these supports. I wish I could help, but I know absolutely no Japanese or Chinese. If anyone knows if Korean scripts of supports are somewhere on the web, I could work on those :P Someone let me know if Loran's supports with Jerome or Chambray go up?

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I'll do Noire's one at a time

Noire x Rufure (female). Non-family.

C rank

Noire: ah.. Rufure

Rufure: Noire, what do you need?

Noire: ah well.. nothing in particular. It's just.. is it okay if I come closer?

Rufure: ? I.. don't mind that, but why?

Noire: you know, you're really wonderful.. I wish you were my mother..

Rufure: eeehh? but you already have Saria as your mother

Noire: That person didn't exactly fit my ideal image of a mother..

Rufure: oh really now? I don't have any memories of my own mother, so I can't imagine what an ideal mother would be.

Noire: What I'm saying that you are more mother-like than my own mother. Uhm.. can I call you mom?

Rufure: Eh? uh uhm..

Noire: No good?

Rufure: How shall I put it.. that would cause a lot of misunderstanding so..

Noire: sniff

Rufure: N, no.. don't cry like that. how about this .. I don't want you to call me mother, but you can come close whenever you want? ok?

Noire: th.. thank you so much. I will come again !

:: Noire leaves ::

Rufure: I wonder what she was thinking.. that Noire..

B rank

Noire: Rufure.. can I come near you again?

Rufure: Y. yes. that would be fine... but I'm still not sure why you are interested in me. If I recall correctly, you said I was motherly

Noire: You are strong and gentle.Whether in your daily life, or on the battlefield, you guide us through. You are someone that embraces

all of us tenderly, and also someone that protects use from harm. Those two traits combined makes the the ideal mother. Th.. that's why

you are a mother to all of us.

Rufure: hmm... but do I really deserve all that praise? I'm still young and inexperienced.

Noire: don't you have a memory loss? Maybe you don't remember how old you really are.

Rufure: eeh!? wait are you saying that I'm just dressing up to look younger and I'm considerably

older? I don't know what to think about that.

Noire: D. don't concern yourself with that. Actually a mother who is not shackled by her age and

has a young spirit would be the ideal.

Rufure: an ideal mother..I've never asked but.. what happened to Saria in the future?

Noire: ......... our mothers.. they have all passed away

Rufure: eh !?

Noire: Our fathers died in battle.. our mothers took their children and tried to survive the aftermath.. but one by one, they all

died protecting us from corpse soldiers.

Rufure: I.. I see.. is that why you yar for a mother figure so much..

Noire: yes.. I'm happy we got to talk to each other again. .. Excuse me.

Rufure: Noire..

oh my mothers die? :( it makes me really sad D:

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Sumia isn't popular on 2ch boards. She has her own hate thread, for crying out loud.

but I'm guessing that most of that comes her being an obstacle to Rufure x Krom OTP rather than her actual personality

fandom shipping can be REALLY scary after all. If you're familiar with Harry Potter, you should know what I mean.

Well, I'd imagine it's less Rufure x Krom and more Whoever-their-favourite-character-is x Krom. And the fact that her archetype has been done countless times.

After all, Rufure can be both male and female and I suspect a significant number, quite probably even the majority, will be playing him as a male for the first run through. He/she is meant to be a character for us to project onto after all.

But yeah, fandom shipping is a terrifying, terrifying thing. Look at Avatar, Toradora, Harry Potter and any number of other shows.

People send death threats to the author if they don't get their way.

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I wanna start by saying I didn't mean that I hate Sumia, just that she annoys me sometimes. I can't even remember the last time I hated a fictional character, and I really don't have the right to criticize, considering I'm a lot like her IRL. I'll spare you my rant on anime character types, and give you some backstory instead.

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya]

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya C]

Ronku: Hey, there's a war council tonight...Don't be late.

Sariya: Is that so? I wonder where I should gather today... ...Hm? You, you have leaves in your hair.

Ronku: ! ! No more...Don't get any closer.

Sariya: ...So you dislike me.

Ronku: Don't worry...I just didn't want to talk to you.

Sariya: You hated to leave, you say...? What a funny remark...Though...it almost seems like you have a gynophobia curse on you...

Ronku: A...curse? That could be another reason ...

Sariya: What do you mean...?

Ronku: I...am really not good with women. If possible, I just don't want to be involved with them...

Sariya: Ufufu...it really does look like you were cursed. I wonder who placed it?

Ronku: ............

Sariya: Shall we try to cure it...?

Ronku: What...?

Sariya: Isn't that state of yours an inconvenience? I can dispel that kind of curse...

Ronku: Is...that so...?

Sariya: Hm...You're interested? Then..

Ronku: ...I'm not. [separately?]

Sariya: Fuun...Well, if you need my power at any time, let me know...

Ronku: ............

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya B]

Ronku: Sariya.

Sariya: Hm...What does the gynophobic want me for...?

Ronku: ............

Sariya: You don't know when to keep silent and when to talk...But, what you want to say...Ufufu. I'll surmise it...You want to cure the curse, right?

Ronku: Really...can my gynophobia be cured...?

Sariya: Yes...If you show your whole heart to me, and have the resolution...

Ronku: ...Do I have to tell you?

Sariya: I can't break a curse if I don't know it's true identity...

Ronku: I see...I haven't told many people, but... ......I have this nightmare. This dream about a little girl who lost her life because of me. That girl...she was an ordinary town girl, but I'd grown up in the ghetto, and without any prejudice, she became friends with me. For some reason, I felt we were oddly similar. We'd often sneak out from her parents' eyes and play around. Until the day she was killed, that is...

Sariya: ............

Ronku: That's...a summer morning I don't want to remember...When I took her to the edge of town to play...we were attacked by robbers on our way. That girl...was killed. Of all the things I could have done, I didn't...do anything...

Sariya: That kind of thing...

Ronku: Since then, I've been weak against women. I've avoid getting involved with them as much as possible. Any woman getting involved with me, would only meet with misfortune...that's what I would think. That person is no more...Is that a strange story?

Sariya: It's not uncommon, to be combined with that vividly intimate memory...the curse placed on you...is quite a deep one...

Ronku: This nightmare...How are you going to...?

Sariya: But, I think I can...I must not wait any longer, though. Tell me of your childhood now...Give me more...in order to fix the curse... I need to understand your heart perfectly...

Ronku: ...Understood, that'd be fine...

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya A]

Sariya: Ronku...I'm well-prepared for the ceremony.

Ronku: ...That ceremony you're conduction...Can it erase the wounds on my heart?

Sariya: Yes...Without a trace.

Ronku: I see...

Sariya: ...Just, your curse has cut into the depths of your heart for too long...You'll be scraping together your childhood memories...

Ronku: I'll forget? I...the time I spent in the ghetto will be...that girl will be...

Sariya: That's how it will turn out...But, don't mind that. The painful memories...wouldn't it be easier to erase them?

Ronku: ............No...Let's not do the ritual.

Sariya: What do you mean...? Let me hear the reason.

Ronku: Telling you my story, I realized...this wound is something I can't lose. The ghetto...and that girl made me who I am right now, by being my source of strength. I can't erase...I've accepted my overcoming starvation, so let's not proceed...that's my opinion.

Sariya: Fuun... ...Well, I'm not going to argue if you've made up your mind.

Ronku: ...Sorry. Thanks, Sariya.

Sariya: Whatever...your way of thanking someone...is creepy...

Ronku: ...I see.

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya S]

Ronku: ...Sariya.

Sariya: Hm...Do you have something for me again?

Ronku: M...

Sariya: ...What do you intend to do, inching closer like that...? You...your gynophobia hasn't been cured, has it?

Ronku: This is...me figuring out ways to overcome it on my own. Right now, this distance is the utmost I can...

Sariya: ...Ufufu. I wonder if it'll take years to overcome fully...If you'd like...I can help you.

Ronku: No, I'm not going to rely on magic...

Sariya: It's not magic...I'm saying I'll help with your training...Always having you around...supporting you when you lose heart...that way, a little...the day you overcome it will come sooner...?

Ronku: What do you mean...?

Sariya: Dense, aren't you...I'm talking about marriage...me...to you...Well...if you don't want to...I don't really care. In that case, I'll spend my life doggedly pursuing MU...

Ronku: ...I hope MU didn't hear you say that... ...Your offer of marriage, there's hope for it yet. I...want to be near you. You understand about me and women... I want to touch you...and I want to respond to that. I'll show you that I can overcome this flaw...

Sariya: Hm...I don't think I got a clear reply...

Ronku: If you get involved with me, it seems like misfortune will fall on you...it'd be best if you went and found another shaman or something so you don't die.

Sariya: Then...this man's...many words...Well, any assassin after me would have to be a confident one...

Ronku: ...How reliable.

Sariya: You, too...since I want to get closer to you...Please be sure to overcome that wound...Promise...?

Ronku: Yeah. I'll give you this ring as proof of that commitment...Will you accept it?

Sariya: Yes...but...Don't make me wait too long~. Or I might do something scary l later...

Ronku: ...That's fine.

Interestingly, Sariya appears to always be in love with MU. I wonder what happens if you have Female MU; it it the same conversations all around? Or maybe they just make subtle digs at it, like how Noire apparently wants MU as a parent.

So, I was going to do CallumxMiriel, but BradyxDegel S sneaked in between the other two's C and B when I was copying them over, like it's saying "translate meeee." So maybe that first.

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I wanna start by saying I didn't mean that I hate Sumia, just that she annoys me sometimes. I can't even remember the last time I hated a fictional character, and I really don't have the right to criticize, considering I'm a lot like her IRL. I'll spare you my rant on anime character types, and give you some backstory instead.

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya]

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya C]

Ronku: Hey, there's a war council tonight...Don't be late.

Sariya: Is that so? I wonder where I should gather today... ...Hm? You, you have leaves in your hair.

Ronku: ! ! No more...Don't get any closer.

Sariya: ...So you dislike me.

Ronku: Don't worry...I just didn't want to talk to you.

Sariya: You hated to leave, you say...? What a funny remark...Though...it almost seems like you have a gynophobia curse on you...

Ronku: A...curse? That could be another reason ...

Sariya: What do you mean...?

Ronku: I...am really not good with women. If possible, I just don't want to be involved with them...

Sariya: Ufufu...it really does look like you were cursed. I wonder who placed it?

Ronku: ............

Sariya: Shall we try to cure it...?

Ronku: What...?

Sariya: Isn't that state of yours an inconvenience? I can dispel that kind of curse...

Ronku: Is...that so...?

Sariya: Hm...You're interested? Then..

Ronku: ...I'm not. [separately?]

Sariya: Fuun...Well, if you need my power at any time, let me know...

Ronku: ............

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya B]

Ronku: Sariya.

Sariya: Hm...What does the gynophobic want me for...?

Ronku: ............

Sariya: You don't know when to keep silent and when to talk...But, what you want to say...Ufufu. I'll surmise it...You want to cure the curse, right?

Ronku: Really...can my gynophobia be cured...?

Sariya: Yes...If you show your whole heart to me, and have the resolution...

Ronku: ...Do I have to tell you?

Sariya: I can't break a curse if I don't know it's true identity...

Ronku: I see...I haven't told many people, but... ......I have this nightmare. This dream about a little girl who lost her life because of me. That girl...she was an ordinary town girl, but I'd grown up in the ghetto, and without any prejudice, she became friends with me. For some reason, I felt we were oddly similar. We'd often sneak out from her parents' eyes and play around. Until the day she was killed, that is...

Sariya: ............

Ronku: That's...a summer morning I don't want to remember...When I took her to the edge of town to play...we were attacked by robbers on our way. That girl...was killed. Of all the things I could have done, I didn't...do anything...

Sariya: That kind of thing...

Ronku: Since then, I've been weak against women. I've avoid getting involved with them as much as possible. Any woman getting involved with me, would only meet with misfortune...that's what I would think. That person is no more...Is that a strange story?

Sariya: It's not uncommon, to be combined with that vividly intimate memory...the curse placed on you...is quite a deep one...

Ronku: This nightmare...How are you going to...?

Sariya: But, I think I can...I must not wait any longer, though. Tell me of your childhood now...Give me more...in order to fix the curse... I need to understand your heart perfectly...

Ronku: ...Understood, that'd be fine...

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya A]

Sariya: Ronku...I'm well-prepared for the ceremony.

Ronku: ...That ceremony you're conduction...Can it erase the wounds on my heart?

Sariya: Yes...Without a trace.

Ronku: I see...

Sariya: ...Just, your curse has cut into the depths of your heart for too long...You'll be scraping together your childhood memories...

Ronku: I'll forget? I...the time I spent in the ghetto will be...that girl will be...

Sariya: That's how it will turn out...But, don't mind that. The painful memories...wouldn't it be easier to erase them?

Ronku: ............No...Let's not do the ritual.

Sariya: What do you mean...? Let me hear the reason.

Ronku: Telling you my story, I realized...this wound is something I can't lose. The ghetto...and that girl made me who I am right now, by being my source of strength. I can't erase...I've accepted my overcoming starvation, so let's not proceed...that's my opinion.

Sariya: Fuun... ...Well, I'm not going to argue if you've made up your mind.

Ronku: ...Sorry. Thanks, Sariya.

Sariya: Whatever...your way of thanking someone...is creepy...

Ronku: ...I see.

[spoiler=RonkuxSariya S]

Ronku: ...Sariya.

Sariya: Hm...Do you have something for me again?

Ronku: M...

Sariya: ...What do you intend to do, inching closer like that...? You...your gynophobia hasn't been cured, has it?

Ronku: This is...me figuring out ways to overcome it on my own. Right now, this distance is the utmost I can...

Sariya: ...Ufufu. I wonder if it'll take years to overcome fully...If you'd like...I can help you.

Ronku: No, I'm not going to rely on magic...

Sariya: It's not magic...I'm saying I'll help with your training...Always having you around...supporting you when you lose heart...that way, a little...the day you overcome it will come sooner...?

Ronku: What do you mean...?

Sariya: Dense, aren't you...I'm talking about marriage...me...to you...Well...if you don't want to...I don't really care. In that case, I'll spend my life doggedly pursuing MU...

Ronku: ...I hope MU didn't hear you say that... ...Your offer of marriage, there's hope for it yet. I...want to be near you. You understand about me and women... I want to touch you...and I want to respond to that. I'll show you that I can overcome this flaw...

Sariya: Hm...I don't think I got a clear reply...

Ronku: If you get involved with me, it seems like misfortune will fall on you...it'd be best if you went and found another shaman or something so you don't die.

Sariya: Then...this man's...many words...Well, any assassin after me would have to be a confident one...

Ronku: ...How reliable.

Sariya: You, too...since I want to get closer to you...Please be sure to overcome that wound...Promise...?

Ronku: Yeah. I'll give you this ring as proof of that commitment...Will you accept it?

Sariya: Yes...but...Don't make me wait too long~. Or I might do something scary l later...

Ronku: ...That's fine.

Interestingly, Sariya appears to always be in love with MU. I wonder what happens if you have Female MU; it it the same conversations all around? Or maybe they just make subtle digs at it, like how Noire apparently wants MU as a parent.

So, I was going to do CallumxMiriel, but BradyxDegel S sneaked in between the other two's C and B when I was copying them over, like it's saying "translate meeee." So maybe that first.

Well this certainly explains a lot on why Ronku is the way he is around women. But how does the death of a girl he liked cause gynophobia? I don't get it.

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Well this certainly explains a lot on why Ronku is the way he is around women. But how does the death of a girl he liked cause gynophobia? I don't get it.

He's afraid of becoming close to girls, because he thinks bad things will happen to them if he does.

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Well this certainly explains a lot on why Ronku is the way he is around women. But how does the death of a girl he liked cause gynophobia? I don't get it.

because any girl he likes is doomed to die and he must protect his women

what a noble heart

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I like Ronku and Sariya more now.

Especially since Sariya suggested they get married~

At least Ronku actually has a damn reason to afraid of women unlike Florina's fear of men. ISSSSSSSSSS!

because any girl he likes is doomed to die and he must protect his women

what a noble heart

Noble heart? He's just running away from his guilt. That doesn't seem very noble.

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