I’m glad we’ve got so many people who care for the site. I did my part for the cause, but sadly I’m kind of poor right now so it’s not a remarkable amount.
Also, I need to figure out how to make you a mod on the disqus comments. Once I finish fixing the server issues, I’ll give you your admin account for the site on here as well.
Ya’ll beat me to my bank. Support for our family is strong! I’m proud of you all, my children; thank you for supporting Jyoshua, and for supporting SF.
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Wow you guys have disqus here??? I qm a huge FE fan and come here a lot XD I am jealous that japan and Europe got rekka no ken. I love this game I maybe beat it five times and would love to play it on my 3ds
Sadly it probably won’t be released on 3DS, as Nintendo doesn’t have a GBA Virtual Console on the 3DS (ignoring the Ambassador’s Program from a few years ago). But I’m guessing it’ll eventually be on the Wii U VC in other countries.
1:Cool, thought it was a big coincidence. I mean, for someone to be both a competitive fighting game tourney pro and the bearer of the mantle of FESS is almost too unbelievable to be true.
2: You don’t know me? Integ and Nightmare know me plenty.
Well, I can’t consider myself a pro unless I actually win a tournament. At this point, I definitely have not.
As far as the ban, sorry man. After checking into it, it sounds like you’ve been ban dodging and were even problematic during that time. Normally ban dodging substantially hurts someone’s case to allow them back onto the forums, but if they were also problematic during the time before we discovered the dodge, that only serves to reinforce the ban.
If I were you, I’d just step away from the place for a while. Go hang out on another community in the meantime. If you have good behavior there for a very long period of time, then that might support justification for a second (technically third) chance.
Pretty jealous of Europe right now! I’d totally buy FE7 on VC and play it over and over again like when it first came out on GBA. Forever my favorite FE, probably~
Also, the site update’s looking really nice! Jyosua did good work!
Why, Nintendo? Why would you put FE7 on the Wii U and not on the 3DS where it makes sense- and where I can get it? I don’t own a Wii U… That being said, my cartridge and my old GBA SP still work, so it’s not like I can’t play anymore. If any of the GBA FEs come to 3DS VC though, you can bet your bottom dollar I will be getting them a second time (first time legally in case of FE6)
Is it known whether they’ve used the EU version or US version? I’d be pretty miffed if we got cheated out of the extended epilogue again…
Sry for posting about it here, but I can’t seem to post on the forum for some reason. On the Maximum Stats page of Awakening when looking at the classes for Laurent (MirielxRicken) Dark Mage and Sorcerer are not options, when in the game they actually are options. So, just something I’ve noticed. And again sry for not posting in the right place.
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I was thinking maybe Tellius for the lower left (maybe it looks somewhat different because map-makers weren’t working with satellite and aerial photography so there may be some inconsistencies… or it’s just x-thousand years later like Ylisse/Archanea)…
Maybe a map of Ike’s journey? Like he traveled the entire continent before settling in the lower right… I dunno.
Looks like Elibe to me. There are slight differences in the areas that would be Etruria and Ilia but the general shape is similar. It is worth mentioning that where Bern would be there is a name that looks to be 4 letters and is likely Bern. Many of the mountains are in similar places though they appear to be spaced out more.
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There is no indication that it will be on-disc DLC, nor that each game won’t be a complete experience on its own. It seems to be more along the lines of the Zelda Oracle games, but with a more convenient means of getting the other version.
While the retail version does seem similar to the LoZ Oracle games, I was referring to the digital version, which was stated to “only be one version, unlike the packaged game. Once you reach a certain point, you must decide whether to side with Hoshido or Nohr. After making this choice, the other campaign will be permanently locked (until you buy it as DLC).”
Whoops, tried to delete that post after I read the whole thing. Sorry, totally derped on that one XD. I don’t know why they’re doing that digitally when they could’ve done the same version shenanigans, but I’m guessing it’s because it’s functionally no different and may somehow be more convenient. Though having to download an extra-large file could be a pain for some.
So about as much content as Awakening? Disregarding DLC, Awakening had a decent amount of main game content and side stuff. Not quite as much as I would’ve liked from an FE game, but it was still a good amount.
So it’s not too bad of a price. Hopefully we get the bundled version, too. I don’t want to have to switch carts in order to experience the entire story.
If it’s only 41 chapters, that actually just about matches Radiant Dawn’s content. With Awakening though, a massive chunk of that is side story content. All of Radiant Dawn’s content is main story. I want another FE with as much story content as RD.
This is some speculation on my part but I suspect that the Nohr path might resemble what you’re expecting while the Hoshidan path is more like the awakening route.
“the site emphasises that each of the two versions (Hoshido and Nohr) contains a similar amount of content as the previous game, Awakening. So you won’t be paying for half a game at all, if you buy just one of the versions”
Yeah right, IF they cut the world exploration on Nohr’s route (game) doesn’t that just make the game “shorter”. You can’t do anything else other than playing the main story. So that means if you bought the physical version of FE Nohr, you ARE missing some content when you compare it with Hoshido version. If that the case Nohr’s game SHOULD cost less than Hoshido because some content was CUT from the game.
At first I thought I’m going to choose Nohr, but if that means I’m getting a game that have less content, NO THANK YOU NINTENDO
I hope the NA will combine both version, I don’t mind if the price is a little bit higher because it’s better than buying a version of one of the game that have less content with the other. They can make the game harder in many ways, cutting content just to make it seems harder is BS
You seem to assume that because something isn’t featured, it means it was gonna be and was “cut.” Not every Fire Emblem game has a map and world exploration. And it’s quite possible that in place of the map, there will be other content.
Also, just because there’s no map does not mean there are no side stories. There are other ways to integrate them into the game.
Correct that Hoshido probably have more content but if you wanted to play Nohr side it would cost around 20$ and vice versa for Hoshido. The whole game would be around 60$ with both sides. I mean who would only buy one side of Fire Emblem am I right?
To be fair, assuming that they hold true to their words, that’s a little under 80 chapters of gameplay not including free DLC and I spent well over 200 hours with Awakening’s 73 chapters including DLC which totaled in value to $85.50 for everything. Actually now that I think about it, getting everything in IF costs LESS than getting everything in Awakening. What the hell Nintendo?
What exactly would they be cutting? If you mean paralogues, they’ve traditionally been linearly inserted into the story if you meet the conditions at the time. If you mean whatever the Risen fight equivalents would be, frankly, that’s a poor caliber of content.
If NA choose to follow Japan’s path, it’s more cost efficient buying Hoshido and then buy the DLC version of Nohr. Man, my mood just went from excitment to confusion to agitation in just a couple hours. Thanks a lot Nintendo.
So for choosing those that raised me I’m rewarded with choke-point battles and possibly less to see and do? Pretty obvious who Nintendo wants me to side with. Yeah, no, Nintendo I’m choosing loyalty.
…Hopefully NA just skips that mess and goes right to the special edition.
Same.
It just seems that they are being biased with the Hoshido faction.
Not to mention “Peaceful Hoshido” and “Glory seeking Noir” when Japan has always been glory seeking and stuck in civil wars for most (if not, entire) history until about 100 years ago.
Either way, I’m going to have fun with the Noire faction as it seems for the veterans of the series.
Honestly though, if I don’t get the special edition (or at least, both), I’ll just stick with one side of the game as Noir.
I’m probably just going to buy both of them even if we don’t get the special edition. Maybe we’ll also get some of those trading cards, am I right?
And I’m sort of hoping if they do the DLC characters thing like they did in Awakening, it’s a little more fleshed out and not just modeled Avatars made to somewhat resemble old characters that are in normal classes.
Japan was in a civil war, however this game is not the same as the real world, they are inspired by the Japanese culture, but i don’t think they really mean that they are. Japan also have been unified by Oda, which was prosperous then.
U.S will release both game separate, they wont bother to merge it, however the special package will release on the following day’s of Fire emblem IF 2 version (JP only). U.S will take some time to convert the third package, and will vary if they will include those mischievous items. Game might release on April 2016 for U.S, 11 month after the release of JP version.
I want to be excited for this game but making two versions with an expensive DLC add-on just reeks of a money grabbing ploy and less content for your money. You don’t just develop 2 games worth of content and release them at the same time.
I don’t have any friends, that I still routinely communicate with, that love Fire Emblem. But this information makes me incredibly excited. I appreciate the work you guys do.
To the left of the weapon names is what appears to be an HP bar for the weapons. Dragonstones, at least the one shown, seem to have infinite uses however.
The stat distribution seems to have been nerfed to normal levels, thankfully.
Also, why do people keep saying that the version with the world map is the traditional one? There’s nothing traditional about the world map and annoying infinite grinding.
I really hope you’re right about the HP bar thing, because infinite weapon use would disappoint me quite a bit.
But, I don’t see how this would be an improvement. It’s much harder to read compared to plain numbers, if it is what you said it might be.
It is true, it shows the weapon type in a box that in some images is filled green and others the green is almost run out. As mentioned it is much harder to read compared to plain numbers, hopefully that will get changed
I dunno if it’s been mentioned, but at the part where it mentions the digital version, there is a little typo. “Upon reaching Chapter 6–the point at which you must choose sides–after making your choice, the other campaign will be permanently unlocked ” It should say “locked” rather than unlocked?
If CERO is anything like the ESRB, it’s a small group of people, and a few staff changes spells different rating methods. It may be due to being required to kill off the other family that you don’t pick, as other people are saying. Not sure why anybody wouldn’t feel a tad put off by that.
More like Hype? This Marketing Scheme is so freaking convoluted and Stupid, they should’ve just released the two games in a pack for the 6550 yen, instead of this weird two versions shite. I’m still gonna get the whole thing because its actually cheaper than Awakening’s total cost and appears to be a better designed game, but I’d rather they just went the simple route and be upfront about the cost of the game for the sake of the consumer.
Nah, straight hype. I’ve already used apparently-not-so-common-but-should-be-common sense to reason out why they’re doing what they are. If they were “up front” about the cost people would be spewing bullshit about how a single 3DS game is $59.99 or $79.99. Most people would NOT pay that much for one handheld game, so people would be bitching about something else/accusing Nintendo of milking us through inflated prices even when the pricing is actually pretty damn fair given how much content there is. The “passionate” fans are generally just never happy and are kind of the worst fans because of that (they spend more time complaining and whining about everything as opposed to the people who just sit back and enjoy the game).
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I really hate what they’ve chosen to do with this game. As far as I’m concerned, the special edition version is the only that should even exist period. I don’t take kindly to the idea of FE: Pokemon Edition, in which I will be squeezed and prodded for extra cash just to be able to enjoy the complete experience.
And I really hate that the Nohr campaign has no overworld. A massive amount of Awakening’s appeal is the ability to do whatever the fuck you want, instead of basically playing stages, hitting the credits, and *poof*. Roll credits. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth when games do that; it removes replay value along with fun. I thought *Choice* was supposed to be the central theme of If, but now if I want Nohr, I’m basically robbed of choice?
Say whatever you want about how grinding made Awakening too easy. But no matter how you feel about it, the fact still stands that nothing forced you to do so if you didn’t want to (Lunatic (+) doesn’t count). So if you didn’t want to grind, you didn’t have to, in which case you would still be getting your core FE experience. But it was the freedom and added content of that option to grind or do side stuff or shop or whatever that made Awakening last hundreds of hours for me.
But nope. If I want to have fun, I have no choice to side with Hoshido every single time. Call me a scrub and a newbie and an Awakening fag if you want, but I stand by that opinion. I’ll probably buy it anyways, but only if I can get the special edition.
It’s like the difference between driving a car when you’re in Driver’s Ed. (Nohr) and when you have your own (Hoshido).
In one case, sure, you’re behind the wheel, but you pretty much can only go where the instructor tells you to. In the other, you have complete and total freedom to go where you want, when you want with only traffic laws and your gas tank to guide you.
I greatly prefer the idea of a world map where I can say “well, I’ve done 5 story chapters, but that Paralogue over there looks interesting. I’m gonna do that instead“. Or “hey, I’m playing Lunatic+ and could use a little training; I’m gonna go grind in the DLC for a bit”. Yeah, it may admittedly not be the most incredibly amazing piece of side content ever, but at least you can tackle it on your terms.
To me, repeatedly emphasizing how FE:If is all about choice, but then removing a lot of that choice from me because I *chose* a different version is ridiculous and self-defeating, nevermind the bullshit of splitting the games in two to sucker me out of more money instead of just giving me the full experience in one.
To a certain extent I agree with you, I believe that there should’ve been one version of the game+ the DLC. I didn’t care for the world map at all in Awakening, others said it actually hurt the game’s design. But from an actual value proposition perspective as most people have as “problem” with this game, I actually don’t have that complaint as I have demonstrated in the other comments. I just hate this from a marketing standpoint and I hope the NA version is different. Otherwise, I’m actually quite happy that there’s some satiation of rabid fans who prefer the (generally harder) linear FE games vs the world Map FE’s.
The open world map design greatly hurt Awakening’s design, as it also screwed over Sacred Stones. It disallows maps from having too many gimmicks. Awakening barely has any treasure, lacks different objectives, has plenty of “square” and lineal maps, lacks fog of war and Arenas/Stores.
It also opens the game up for incredibly lazy design like Awkaening’s Lunatic and Lunatic +. You either have to cheese the game with Avatar/Chrom/Frederick or grind (with the DLC of course unless you want to be extremely patient and cheese the game) until your units are. In older games Hard Mode had to be actually balanced. Older games also had ranking systems to encourage value and FE7 had alternate maps and characters.
Awakening’s good but it shouldn’t be the game the design revolves around.
Awakening barely has any treasure, lacks different objectives, has plenty of “square” and lineal maps, lacks fog of war and Arenas/Stores.
I don’t think any of those are things that couldn’t be fixed while still retaining the open map. Different objectives, for example, is literally as simple as providing a greater objective variety within the maps themselves? I mean, Awakening didn’t *need* to have “route the enemy” as the objective for 95% of its maps, nor did they need to be so simplistic in layout. The world map’s existence had nothing to do with the decision to do so.
I think Nohr’s heightened difficulty could be accomplished so much better if its maps featured more challenging layouts with more difficult enemy placement (i.e., don’the put all the Wyvern Riders into one group gaggle where a mage with a single wind tome can easily kill them all without threat of, say, Sorceror retaliation) ,and more difficult map objectives compared to the Hoshino campaign. Limited access to experience and money, to the point where it’s practically like being feed through a stomach tube, is artificial difficulty to me. There’s no need for Nohr’s difficulty to come from such methods, when more creative means would do the job infinitely better.
The same thing would also offer a way to balance higher difficulties. “Harder” should mean “more difficult”, not “now with 50% more bullshit per tile”. The existence of a world map has nothing to do with how well designed the missions it contains are designed; a better design will solve virtually all of Awakening’s problems, save for the grinding DLC, which I think should be maintained for those that want it. Properly designed difficulty won’t be as easily broken by gridning: after all, grinding can’t make smarter AI less smart, for example. If the enemy is difficult by nature (not just because it’s the Prologue and they’re using Steel weapons and have 5x your stats).
Bottom line: I want If to improve on Awakening, but at the same keep its freedoms. That’s why I’m upset about Nohr’s handling.
That’s the point, part of the difficulty of Fire Emblem is resource management, both equipment and monetary. The reason the map design is so flat in Awakening is so you can’t get into an unwinnable situation. Plus there was stupid RNG shit like the Barracks and tiles. Maps also have to be flat to allow them to be replayable. Critical Treasure are a non-factor in awakening.
The open world is what allowed the x5 your stats BS. A more lineal experience forces IS to not be lazy with their design. It’s like a Free to Play game, it inherently makes the devs lazier, and makes them not consider everything correctly. The biggest evidence is the unwinnable chapter 1 in Awakening plus all the random elements that game introduced.
I don’t see how an open world map should have any bearing on the design of chapter maps. If the game is designed without the DLC’s existence having any factor, then you can still design a competent map whilest still allowing for outside freedom.
I want to keep the freedom of Awakening, but make the maps themselves more challenging. As far as I care, chapter maps and the world map should two completely different aspects of the overall game; once you begin a chapter, you have walked into the lion’s den. It should challenge you, and providing a challenge should have nothing to do with also having an explorable world with side content.
The way you design a difficult map is by having a difficult game, but doing so fairly. I dislike the idea of flat limits on experience and funds because the completionist in me hates the idea that I can’t cap my army out. I also hate it because it feels like difficulty created by neglect. Difficulty should be entirely based on your skill as a player; you should have all the tools to win available to you, but actually winning should still be up to your skill. In other words, smarter AI that responds to your moves more like an opponent and less like an algorithm. I want to punished for my mistakes, not because I’m just not allowed to have enough experience to go around, meaning that the majority of my army is reduced to nothing but bench-warmers (I like unit variety, especially being able to bring different units for different situations). I want interesting map design that’s doesn’t just look like a random section of a math graph. If I do something stupid and get people killed, backing myself into an unwinnable corner, that’s my fault because I made it unwinnable; that’s not unwinnable by design.
I see absolutely no reason why If can’t fix the problems of Awakening while still retaining what it did well.
OK, sure Intelligent systems could make separate maps for story chapters and stupid grinding easy baby mode. Still the problem is that the world map in Awakening and Sacred Stones ended up affecting the overall design of the game. It takes time, resources and makes the devs less likely to balance the game correctly. This is why Awakening has a bullshit Lunatic mode and why some Sacred Stones missions spike the difficulty way too much.
The existence of grind-able maps makes the game pretty hard for having diverse maps or creating much unique situations. No doors or many chokepoints, because the enemy army has to throw itself at you like pikmins. No need for long winding maps or maps with various routes because that increases the time you need to reach the enemy so they can go kill themselves. Defend maps also have to go because again the properly designed ones make your units fight in a small face filled with chokepoints.
No climbable terrain, no traps. It’s not a coincidence Awakening and Sacred Stones had less gimmicks overall. Sacred Stones does have more varied elements than awakening, but it lacks them compared to its two GBA predecessors.
As I also mentioned, Resource management has always been an important part of the FE Experience and Awakening reduces it. No need to have iron weapons late in the game. Just deck out everyone in silver/brave forged weapon that never go away with Armsthrift. No real thoughtful choices about when to promote units. No need to save gold to recruit one or two units.
Don’t worry if the devs are doing their jobs correctly and not making stupid decisions that make them have time to not balance the game you could clear the game with the default units. If Fire Emblem 6 can be cleared with 0% growths so can the Nohr version (if it’s done properly).
The end point is this, as can be seen in Sacred Stones and Awakening the open world design causes:
1. Difficulty spikes (Chapter 15 in sacred stones and the unbalanced, unfair lunatic mode in Awakening)
2. Less importance of resource management, leading to less meaningful choices. (No need to choose who get’s Delphi’s shield or the boots, or when to promote, when to use the powerful staves)
3. More restricted map design (it has to be open so you can grind fast)
4. Far less gimmicks/Interesting map design (No traps, no fog of war, no treasure balancing, barely any Status effect enemies, no ballistas, barely any long ranged tomes, enemy AI very rarely retreats, no stealing, no need for NPCs that meatshield you, no need for objectives other than rout and kill commander)
5. Less importance in character roles. Although that’s solved if they remove the second seals.
The solution could be a sacred stones style zone(s) that are separate from the chapters but that still gives less time for the chapters to be truly polished. For 10 games the series has worked perfectly and the installments with the open world map design have always been controversial.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you will NOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).
Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps“) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you can have it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!
I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE could ever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically be required to completely ruin the game, as you claim?
I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I will agree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.
Even the Zelda fandom isn’t this resistant to change.
“I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you willNOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).”
I understand it perfectly, the problem is that OK if you can only go to the next chapter what’s the point of adding that. No more heroes had barely anything in the world map so they removed it for the sequel.
I’m guessing you want to fight random trash mobs to gain resources, but this messes up a fundamental theme of the series. To feel like a tactician, managing an army with limited and valuable resources.
You don’t think people design games with DLC in mind, especially Awakening which had the Gold and Experience pack a month after release in Japan and are almost required if you want to use more units than Chrom+Avatar in Lunatic and Lunatic+.
“Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps”) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you canhave it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!”
OK, so you want grindable maps to be completely separate from the chapter maps, great so either the devs have to spend less time in each chapter map while making the grindable maps or they hire more people to make those. That’s the best solution but well it impacts costs and IS isn’t running a charity unfortunately.
“I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE couldever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically berequired to completely ruin the game, as you claim?”
They can do a hub world, but my problems is if they started including trash mobs to grind and ruin the resource management aspects of the game. Ok, Nohr unlocks paralogues and can do them any time, just access them from your base menu or make a linear map that’s empty and you can sidestep and do the paralogues or distinct version of a chapter. My only problem with the hub world and map is the trash mobs.
“I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I willagree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
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So again you want to remove all individuality for units (I assume you want the second seal and reclassing to be brought back), the theme of overcoming struggles, the theme of meaningful, impactful choice (who do I promote?) and give the devs a lazy way to not properly balance the game for people who don’t want to grind. Besides you could sort of grind in FE 6 & 7 with the arenas, but it was more like gambling and screwed up your ranking and took forever to do. I don’t mind that.
“I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.”
They are not good changes, they are changes to make the game more like an RPG. Go play Final Fantasy Tactics, which is a great game by the way, but don’t start trampling on the fundamental themes and design of Fire Emblem and start crying when a title appeals to the themes and design that made the franchise successful.
Fire emblem 9 and 10 had the best base management system (You can buy equipment, you can use your BEXP, The supports were done the best in that game, You could have funny and insightful side conversations, you could get some fancy items). Awakening did the pair up and marriage system good and the skill system was OK. I don’t mind casual, but there should be a reward for playing on classic, just like Reflex mode in MGSV.
So basically:
– The trash mobs need to go, or at least not provide you with more resources.
– DLC is fine as long as again it doesn’t provide you with resources.
– World map is fine as long as you can’t get more resources. Make split paths. Make the paralogues (maybe not all) accessible when you want to tackle them. Have you choose from saving X or impacting Y storywise based on which of two or more chapters you choose.
– The arena system is fine, you can spend all day on that and grind and buy whatever gear you want, but if you fail prepare to restart… now that I think about it Casual mode ruins that a little.
– Make grindable maps (for the Hoshido version) separate from chapter maps.
– Make choices more meaningful by making top gear and promotion items more limited. There is a feeling glee when your Silver weapon you spent all your cash on helps you clear a chapter you were having trouble on. It also makes meaningful choices to see which units you promote. Awakening diluted the effect of promoting your units.
– Remove reclassing, ruins the characters designs and individuality of the characters IMO.
– Make supports based on chapters, not on turns spent together like glue.
– Put the ranking system back.
– Reward players for choosing classic mode.
So yeah make the game Fire Emblem again not Final Fantasy Tactics 2.
I understand it perfectly, the problem is that OK if you can only go to the next chapter what’s the point of adding that. No more heroes had barely anything in the world map so they removed it for the sequel.
The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.
I’m guessing you want to fight random trash mobs to gain resources, but this messes up a fundamental theme of the series. To feel like a tactician, managing an army with limited and valuable resources.
Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.
OK, so you want grindable maps to be completely separate from the chapter maps, great so either the devs have to spend less time in each chapter map while making the grindable maps or they hire more people to make those. That’s the best solution but well it impacts costs and IS isn’t running a charity unfortunately.
Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.
They can do a hub world, but my problems is if they started including trash mobs to grind and ruin the resource management aspects of the game. Ok, Nohr unlocks paralogues and can do them any time, just access them from your base menu or make a linear map that’s empty and you can sidestep and do the paralogues or distinct version of a chapter. My only problem with the hub world and map is the trash mobs.
I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.
So again you want to remove all individuality for units (I assume you want the second seal and reclassing to be brought back), the theme of overcoming struggles, the theme of meaningful, impactful choice (who do I promote?) and give the devs a lazy way to not properly balance the game for people who don’t want to grind. Besides you could sort of grind in FE 6 & 7 with the arenas, but it was more like gambling and screwed up your ranking and took forever to do. I don’t mind that.
Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more because so many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).
They are not good changes, they are changes to make the game more like an RPG. Go play Final Fantasy Tactics, which is a great game by the way, but don’t start trampling on the fundamental themes and design of Fire Emblem and start crying when a title appeals to the themes and design that made the franchise successful.
Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.
The arena system is fine, you can spend all day on that and grind and buy whatever gear you want, but if you fail prepare to restart… now that I think about it Casual mode ruins that a little.
So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.
Remove reclassing, ruins the characters designs and individuality of the characters IMO
I disagree on removing it altogether, but agree on fixing it. The reason for reclassing in the first place was because many classes in Awakening had poor skills available. Get rid of every single last [Stat]+X skill and replace them with actually interesting ones. I honestly never once used a Rally ever either; either improve those, or do the same as with Stat+ skills. Additionally, rebalance Second-Tier classes so there aren’t just 6 classes that are all clearly better than the rest (that everyone has access to), leaving little reason to leave units within their original class family (those 6 being Hero, Falcon Knight, Sorcerer [because Nosferatu is broken as fuck], Manakete, Bride [DLC], and Dread Fighter [DLC]).
As for the characters themselves, how about we make the characters more interesting in the first place. I kinda liked Awakening’s cast, but very few of them did more than amuse me; I only really ended up loving a small select few, whereas the rest were there for entertainment value. Improve characterisation, and their individuality will improve along with it. Rebalance the promoted classes as mentioned before, and it will be more or less ideal; the problem was always that most base promotions just weren’t as good, not that I actually wanted half my army to be Heros.
In conclusion, I want to keep freedom, choice, and player options. I’m not saying make If Awakening 2; I’m saying Awakening had things it does right, and I’d like to keep them. My big issue with Nohr is simply the fact that it and Hoshido are built on 2 completely different philosophies. Perhaps you like a core FE experience; nothing wrong with that, but there are better ways to keep it than just forcing it down everyone’s throat and thus restricting its appeal (regardless of what you think, there’s no question Awakening was the most successful FE to date, and that’s entirely because it opened itself up and made the series more accessible to new players). I hate the way Nohr is being handled for this reason:
Let’s imagine that perhaps I’m someone who hasn’t been with FE since it’s infancy. Let’s imagine that I’m a guy whose first FE was Awakening. Now, let’s imagine that as a result Hoshido’s setup appeals to me because of the extra content it offers (I’m hoping its easier difficulty can be offset by actual difficulty modes). So I play the Hoshido campaign for a while and what not, but out of curiousity I decide to also check out the Nohr campaign just for a change of pace. Upon starting the Nohr campaign, I quickly discover that it is dumbed down and restrictive compared to Hoshido, meaning that if I happen to enjoy the freedom of the Hoshido campaign, but perhaps prefer the Nohr characters and units more, then I’m just shit out of luck. Don’t you see the problem there? I’m literally punished for wanting to experience the other side by getting less content (and there’s no 2 ways about it; Nohr has significantly less content than Hoshido as it stands)!
They can talk all they want about how “oh, well to make up for the lost content, Nohr has a more intriguing story”, but that stops being a factor after your first playthrough. Once you know all the twists and turns, “intriguing” is no longer a substitute for missing content when the other campaign very easily offers that missing content. If I want to enjoy Nohr for anything other than its story, I get punished for it. How is that a good design choice, no matter what you think FE should be like?
“The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.”
OK, great, do that and only remove the trash mobs, that’s my only problem, because like I’ve said a 100 times they screw up the resource management. Shit make things like Trial maps, Challenges with predetermined armies, DLC maps and other diversions but make them not consume or augement your resources in the main campaign. Even better make split routes within the split campaign or different versions of the same chapter a la FE7. Make a post game where you can grind a la Sacred Stones. There can be a map in the Nohr version, but again I only don’t want that map to allow me to cap my characters in mission 7 where I can one-shot all enemies with a bronze sword. Sure you want to have that option, but that’s what the Hoshido version’s exists to do.
“Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.”
Then why are you so insistent on maintaining the framework of Awakening? Also looking further in your comment you also assume things of me, don’t be a hypocrite. (Here’s when you’re assuming things of me: “Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects.”)
“Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.”
As I’ve also said, OK this is an assumption, but the fact that the maps makes me think that IS was making the game easier for people to grind and the maps and gameplay style were changed so that half the enemy army could surround you and die. There’s no explicit proof of it. I’m assuming the intentions of the map designers and well is there evidence to contradict my claims?
“I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.”
Ok, great we agree that we’ll always have a different POV on this issue, but this is a franchise were weapons break all the time and your units have a limited amount of equipment they can have. There has to be a resource management element or the series will lose a part of the identity it forged. Same with permadeath and weapon triangle, that is always pushed in promotional materials.
“Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more becauseso many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).”
I meant in general that the design and personality Frederick has clashes with him being able to become a priest. Same with Chrom losing the ability to use swords when well he has 3 exclusive swords for him. Plus again, besides personality, you remember and like characters for what they can and can’t do and if they fit an archetype like Est. Canas is pretty much popular because he’s the only Dark Mage in his game. Awakening removes that with the reclassing. Cherche talking about Minerva all the time even if you reclassed her is just silly.
Second Seals could be left for the post-game. Sure I’ve gotten units maxed out, but there should also exist options that make the game enjoyable for people who want to clear the game the most optimal way possible (Spending funds, Turn counts, Exp gotten, no deaths).
“Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.”
Ok, so why didn’t they put that in Awakening, I would be all over that mode? Apparently, you can’t have a game or mode like that like the Nohr campaign, because IS gets people making baseless complaints about “losing content” or “not being able to grind all day.” They are already giving options to different types of players, hell they are making games for different types of players, but now the more casual fans want to screw over the classic fans. I want the Nohr version to play like FE7 did and expand on all the good things that game did, but oh no, the casual fans who began with Awakening are gonna bitch and moan about it. I’m sure they’ll also blow a fuse if there’s no marriage and children like last game.
It’s like Persona fans moaning about SMT IV because there’s no social links and party members. I’ll enjoy both versions thank you, but at least let me enjoy the fact and have fun with the version tailor made for me.
“So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.”
It’s a long and interesting video but Epic Name Bro nailed it why sometimes options screw games up.
The root is that easier or more lenient options can screw up the themes and message of a game. There should be space for food and music that’s an acquired taste and the same should be true of games. Don’t ask creators to water down their content, and if they do water down their content, heck make Casual players not get a star on their save file or have a lesser ending. MGS 5 handled the Reflex mode perfectly, you get a bonus on your score if you don’t use it.
Why can’t I have a version of a game I want? Seriously Awakening fans sound like Persona fans wanting all games in the franchise to appeal to them and them only.
I just want a game that handles itself like 10 of the 13 previous Fire Emblems. A playthrough that doesn’t allow me to max out my characters before the post game. I wouldn’t mind grinding post game and test myself against a similar mode like the Monster Ruins.
OK, great, do that and only remove the trash mobs, that’s my only problem, because like I’ve said a 100 times they screw up the resource management. Shit make things like Trial maps, Challenges with predetermined armies, DLC maps and other diversions but make them not consume or augement your resources in the main campaign. Even better make split routes within the split campaign or different versions of the same chapter a la FE7. Make a post game where you can grind a la Sacred Stones. There can be a map in the Nohr version, but again I only don’t want that map to allow me to cap my characters in mission 7 where I can one-shot all enemies with a bronze sword. Sure you want to have that option, but that’s what the Hoshido version’s exists to do.
Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mere existence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).
Then why are you so insistent on maintaining the framework of Awakening? Also looking further in your comment you also assume things of me, don’t be a hypocrite.
Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.
Ok, great we agree that we’ll always have a different POV on this issue, but this is a franchise were weapons break all the time and your units have a limited amount of equipment they can have. There has to be a resource management element or the series will lose a part of the identity it forged. Same with permadeath and weapon triangle, that is always pushed in promotional materials.
At no point did I ever suggest that weapons shouldn’t break or that the weapon triangle should disappear. I love the weapon triangle and the fact that individual weapons break (with the exception of plot relevant signature weapons; I’m hoping Yatogami [Kamui’s sword], Marx’s sword, and Ryoma’s sword are infinite just because it would be awkward for them to break and yet continue to be featured in cutscenes). Hell, I want the Anima triangle back as well! I think Casual Mode should stay though, because it was one of the biggest things that allowed Awakening to sell the best of the entire franchise, and we both want FE to continue selling and thus have more games made. Casual Mode is entirely optional, and thus I can’t really agree with any argument that attempts to factor them as “ruining the game” when anyone who doesn’t want it can select Classic, and forget that Casual ever existed (we’ll come back to this later).
I meant in general that the design and personality Frederick has clashes with him being able to become a priest. Same with Chrom losing the ability to use swords when well he has 3 exclusive swords for him. Plus again, besides personality, you remember and like characters for what they can and can’t do and if they fit an archetype like Est. Canas is pretty much popular because he’s the only Dark Mage in his game. Awakening removes that with the reclassing. Cherche talking about Minerva all the time even if you reclassed her is just silly.
Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1” Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).
Ok, so why didn’t they put that in Awakening, I would be all over that mode? Apparently, you can’t have a game or mode like that like the Nohr campaign, because IS gets people making baseless complaints about “losing content” or “not being able to grind all day.” They are already giving options to different types of players, hell they are making games for different types of players, but now the more casual fans want to screw over the classic fans. I want the Nohr version to play like FE7 did and expand on all the good things that game did, but oh no, the casual fans who began with Awakening are gonna bitch and moan about it. I’m sure they’ll also blow a fuse if there’s no marriage and children like last game.
My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It is missing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story will make up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.
You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.
The root is that easier or more lenient options can screw up the themes and message of a game. There should be space for food and music that’s an acquired taste and the same should be true of games. Don’t ask creators to water down their content, and if they do water down their content, heck make Casual players not get a star on their save file or have a lesser ending. MGS 5 handled the Reflex mode perfectly, you get a bonus on your score if you don’t use it.
There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; options expand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for other people as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).
It’s a long and interesting video but Epic Name Bro nailed it why sometimes options screw games up. (out of order, but is better addressed here)
On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.
Why can’t I have a version of a game I want? Seriously Awakening fans sound like Persona fans wanting all games in the franchise to appeal to them and them only.
Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal to more people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.
“Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mereexistence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).”
Sure it is a choice, can’t they give me a choice to not have that option present? Awakening didn’t, so I’ll have for now to assume they won’t give me that option if they include a world map in the Nohr version.
ENB said that the problem with it is that devs either assume that you grinded and balanced accordingly to keep the challenge or they assume you didn’t grind and when you take your grinded units they curbstomp. Like you said, give me a True Classic mode or allow me to turn weapon degradation and EXP for trash mobs. Even better, reward me for doing that for playing the proper way and don’t reward or punish players who do that.
Path of Radiance also presented a good choice for benched units. The BEXP system… which also gave you bonuses for being efficient or fulfilling secondary objectives. They can bring that back.
Hilariously I did do every quest in Xenoblade Chronicles, but it’s a false equivalency. Sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles tend to be harder than the main game, Gaiden chapters in Fire Emblem are rewards for playing well. FE 6 and 7 did this really well. They are taken into account into the rankings of those games.
“Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.”
I’d make them like FE 6-9 managed. It seems a little silly that Lon’qu who dislikes women can support with more women than man and can’t support Basilio and Flavia… Hell those two can’t support themselves. As I’ve said they can keep the map, the problem always comes around to… does the world map give me an easy way out of the game’s challenge? Not having that pressure for me lessens the experience and sense of achievement, especially if I had to resort to grinding.
“Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1″ Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).”
This is a nice solution. Nothing to complain here and sorry if I understood you wrong.
“My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It ismissing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story willmake up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.”
Why not try the Nohr version if you like the units battle? do you know if the third path will allow you to choice which units do you want? Freedom and choice aren’t always good in video games. Some of the best games are cinematic and linear and offer little choice. You can get the version that suits your needs.
How do you know Nohr is “gimped”? Do you know how they’re handling the side content in Nohr? What if there’s more replay value if they add alternate versons maps, different endings, Challenges, side chapters and other routes into it?
You don’t think that putting restrictions into a player’s game is a conscious decision by the makers of the game? You don’t think a better experience can be achieved if they balance the game to always put pressure on you?
All of this seems to stem from your hatred of limitations in games. Without limitations genres like survival horror lose their impact, luster and sense of achievement.
“You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.”
This is hypotethical what if Nohr has 10 more chapters than Hoshido? Are you getting your money’s worth? What if the structure of Nohr allows for more replay value?
“There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; optionsexpand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for otherpeople as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).”
Not all games are made for everyone, I hate it when devs dumb down a franchise to appeal to more people. Awakening’s concessions to classic players watered down the game. Lunatic mode you have only two options: Either only use Fem!Robin and Chrom if you don’t want to grind or grind to get gameplay similar to the other games.
To paraphrase the video:
“The thing is that this statement that you need always control over the game is arrogant and close-minded and conceited, because it assumes that you know everything about fun and the devs can’t teach you anything new. Tastes can change. I don’t think you know everything fun. I want the devs to tell me what is fun. That’s why you vary your tastes in games and music for example. They don’t all need to be the same and have the same options. Give yourself a chance to experience something new.”
“On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.”
Sure but the last few FE games have abandoned that type of customization, again go back to the solutions they had for Lunatic: Either grind or cheese the game. This is what has Veteran players (not myself necessarily) angry, they’ve been pushing the casual angle too much and form half-baked concessions to the Veterans.
“Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal tomore people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.”
Oh please don’t play the victim and straw man my argument. Putting more options isn’t always the best solution for the game or the player. Restrictions, linearity can be the point of a game, they can force the player to be more careful or creative in their approaches.
I am only asking for a “True Classic” mode. I’ve also given some suggestions (re-adding BEXP, Rankings, Punishing or not rewarding players who choose casual or grind). Rankings can push more casual players to try the harder and more traditional modes.
You assume Nohr will be lesser for some hypothetical reason. the game’s not out, again what if it has way more missions or side missions or Trial Maps or has the Ranking system?
The hardcore FE fans are more likely pissed because they have a valid reasoning to why Options & Freedom > Good, Well balanced and considered game balance.
“It’s my way or the high way” also seems incredibly dogmatic and restrictive. Not all games have to appeal to all human beings, like linear level design, it’s a tool for the developers to make the art they want.
You would be clamoring for games that treat the games like babies, for example adding a Easy mode to Dark souls, when the whole point of the game is to “Prepare to die” and any sense of accomplishment is gone if you know you have an easy way out. Even worse, would you be in favor of games that remove all the gameplay like what Bioware was attempting? You don’t think the gameplay would suffer if they implemented that.
Also, Human beings are elitist, some people like to feel better because they can do something others can’t. Rankings and True Classic Mode would be a great way to satiate the elitist Fire Emblem fans.
To quote ENB once again:
“The addition of an easy mode would detract from the experience of a game like Dark Souls. The possibility of failure is exactly what makes victory rewarding. Adding easy outs for the player to reduce the risk of failure lessens the experience for everyone- not just the people who use it.
Some people believe that they should have absolute control over the media they consume. Some people don’t. I DO care about what I can learn from a game. There are in fact plenty of games that allow you to enjoy them on your own terms, but this one doesn’t. And that is not a flaw of the game- it’s a feature. You have to adapt to the game, or you don’t get rewarded. You either get it, or you don’t.
This is not an interactive movie with a foregone conclusion. It’s a FUNDAMENTALLY different experience. If you want a title that caters to your whims, you are looking in the wrong place. One major reason why people love this game is BECAUSE it doesn’t hand you anything in a menu. You wanna see the end boss? Either get good or summon someone who is.”
So I just purchased 2 each of the starter decks, I assume they are the same cards in them? Then Two Booster Boxes of the Hero Swords along with Anya Kingdom Game. Can’t wait to see what I get.
The Starter Decks I have a feeling they are the same cards. A friend asked me to order a pair of starter decks. (I have a feeling Chrom, Masked Lucina, Tharja and Cherche are in there) so I think they should have the same cards in it. It is a “Starter” Deck after all.
As for the Booster Box, of course there is a chance of doubles. 16 Booster Packs – 10 cards each = 160 cards in total. I’ll see how it goes when I get the cards.
I’m pretty certain about the starter deck being the same but I did buy two of the starter decks with Chrom and the awakening characters just for the hell of it.
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I hope America decides to just put the game in one version. The third campaign as DLC I can deal with, though i’d prefer it to be included from the get-go as well. Even though I love the box art for the two versions, I don’t want two versions. I can deal with it in Pokemon since story never been important and there’s never been a big difference between a game and it’s counterpart in the series, but this game is very story focused and two versions will pull apart and detract from the experience.
Still, love the boxart, so can we have a reversible cover for this game Nintendo? (Assuming NA gets it all in one version)
“Fire Emblem if will feature DLC characters, accessible from download codes bundled with special packs of the TCG.”This troubles me…does that mean that the only way to obtain these characters will be from the TCG?Or will there also be standalone dlc in the nintendo e-shop?
The art is godly and I’m definitively interested in the game itself, but I’m hoping they’ll do a more complete rule presentation sometime. I’d like to see a complete match or rule explanation: I won’t go collecting these cards (if they were in English, maybe) but I’d be willing to play a few matches of this with the starter decks for sure!
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Now that the series has been saved, hopefully they’ll move away from the simplicity and general “un-FEness” of Awakening. I personally feel that game was more 75% generic fantasy anime and only 25% Fire Emblem. Which is probably why it did so well in sales in both Japan and in the west. With them splitting FE14 into two (or three) games, hopefully they can make it so White is the casual game like Awakening is and make Black the more complex, TRUE FE game. Something similar in complexity to the Jugdral games, or hopefully as complex as the Tellius games.
Happy 25th, FE!! Stay alive so we can have another 25 years (though the series jumping the shark sometime in the future may or may not be a fate worse than death– No, Awakening did not jump the shark, per se…)
“the series found itself in a downward spiral of sales, leading to Heroes of Light and Shadow being the first game in the series to skip the Western market.”
Might want to put “the first game in the series to skip the Western market, since.” Obviously all the games skipped the Western market until FE7.
My collection is still incomplete, and I haven’t really finished displaying everything yet, but since it’s time for celebration I thought I should share too!
This is my pride and joy, and took me several years of hard work, but it was worth every penny so far!
Your first problem is that you need to seperate the color layer from the original lineart to color it. I’m not very good, but I could give it a shot. ^^
Like so: http://puu.sh/hmpxl/6e191a8fde.jpg Have fun. (The color is gone for the text. If I had time, I could prevent that, but… I’m being lazy~) Open that in something like Gimp, and it /should/ be transparent. If it isn’t, just look up a tutorial.
Honestly, reading the analysis, the SMT side of the analysis was definitely a bit off. The poppy, anime-influenced tone of the game is reasonably similar to the Persona and Devil Survivor games (both of which are spinoffs of SMT), but the core SMT games aren’t like this at all. Hell, the “Genei Ibunroku #FE” title is pretty similar to the Japanese title of the first Persona game, “Megami Ibunroku Persona.” And the battle system, from what we’ve seen of it, seems to be its own thing – none of the SMT games used a system like this game’s, even if they were turn-based. Honestly, the only SMT references I noticed were Atlus mascot Jack Frost appearing in a poster in the background, and the return of the Strike/Pierce/Slash attack types in a Fire Emblem-style triangle.
I mean, I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the game itself will be good, but it’s doing a pretty horrible job as a crossover – it feels more like they just made an entirely new game with Fire Emblem themes. They could’ve avoided a lot of fuss if they’d described it as “an Atlus/Intelligent Systems collaboration” rather than setting it up as a crossover.
“The Nohr campaign features diverse victory conditions”
Ohhhhhhhhhhh Myyyyyyyyyyyy Gooooooooooood!
… But does that mean the Hoshido part dosen’t have win conditions outside of “Kill Everything” like in Awakening? I mean I wanted Nohr ever since I read that it plays more like a classic FE but if the Hoshido part won’t have different winning conditions it’ll be kind of disappointing. Hahaha…
I get the feeling IS is basically making two games for two purposes:
Hoshido for the casual gamer, to be a financial success like Awakening;
Nohr for the ancients, the veterans, who hark from past eras of blood, sweat and tears.
So my wish came true, amiibo support. I really really hope Captain Falcon is compatibel with this game (For reference sake, look at the Smash 4 reveal trailer for Lucina)
PG 15 it´s really good, so we can expect a more “mature” and dense history ??
About the amiibo, its kinda obvious, but i really hope a far better work in DLC chars. I almost cried when i saw my beloved Lyn in FE awakening
But I really wonder why the rating increase. I imagine it won’t be for blood (Awakening didn’t have any and I’m sure this won’t either) and the violence is probably going to be the same as Awakening.
I don’t know. Camilla’s design isn’t really much worse than many things we saw in Awakening. Heck, I’d consider Aversa’s to be more suggestive than Camilla’s.
Yeah. However, as I said in the other half of the sentence, this story can be the darkest so far out of the Fire Emblem games. I suppose we won’t know until it comes out, but it might have to do with the fact that you might kill your little brothers and sisters. (Mainly the sisters.)
That’s not likely to happen.
M requires any one of the following:
Extensive and Gratuitous Swearing (Not “Damn” or “Hell” either, we’re talking words that rhyme with “Tuck” or “Hit”).
Sex (and not jokes either. Think Mass Effect or Dragon Age) Games rated T can have cleavage/thigh/bared midriff (See Hyrule Warriors) and still be T.
Extensive Blood/violence/gore (Again, think Mass Effect, Dragon Age or Skyrim). Games rated T can have blood (See StarCraft and Warcraft) but it has to be far more persistent and not just blood to hit M territory (see Diablo series)
Something tells me we’re not in danger of seeing the game rated M. It will likely be T with a few more descriptors in the ESRB box.
The 15+ is probably due to the fact that it’s similar to FE:A, but it may have a bit of blood, it looks like some parts of it will be really dark (especially the Nohr side) and the mental trauma of trying to keep all of your units alive~ X3
Hey . . . there are some characters on the ends there that we haven’t seen before! That white-haired well-dressed guy and that older-looking purple-haired man . . . I don’t remember seeing them before.
Imagine if they released a new wave of amiibo exclusive to fire emblem if! That would actually make me buy them for once!!! (plus Sakura amiibo would be adorable!!!)
Unfortunately I didn’t get any pics either, but I can definitely confirm there are retail displays for If in multiple locations in Tokyo, notably several SoftMap stores, where you can also preorder a 3DS LL console with an If design.
Hey little prick, you saying my son, who is 9 years old, incompetent? The game was hard for someone like him but your ugly think that he is stupid? Do yourself a favor and stop limiting yourself only to your ugly ass.
Your 9 year old son should not be playing video games especially not Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is not a kids game. Be a responsible parent. People like you are the reason we don’t have nice things.
Compared to a similar game called Super Robot Wars, Fire Emblem had a LOT less innuendos. They both have the same age rating (Teen), and there were barely any in the first few Fire Emblem games. Super Robot Wars, however, was dropping them AT LEAST every other chapter. I didn’t understand them at the time, AS I WAS 5 when I played the game for the first time.
Are you being serious right now? Have you seen kids playing games like COD? I guess not because having my kids playing something other than COD is better.
I don’t think the target audience is 9 year olds. I’m saying that Phoenix mode really just came out of left field, and will attract minimal new fans or sales (if anything, it will become a ridicule point).
I started playing fire emblem before I was 9.. It isn’t an age specific game. I’m 21 and still love them. I mean yea Phoenix mode sounds ridiculously easy but what is the point in hating on it? Some people like more of a challenge than other do.
Lunatic+. even on casual, lunatic+ is a pain in awakening. and assuming it comes back, i might just use phoenix mode on it on my first playthrough through lunatic+… i dont think its confirmed to be back yet, but lunatic has.
Yeah how dare people not like a feature in a game, they must be demonized, mistreated and called salty whiners. This feature is going in everyone’s copy whether they like it or not. If you dare have the opinion (and it is an valid opinion, even if it’s regarding an option) that the game is lesser because it offers you options that remove pressure and sense of accomplishment. By the way, yes it does, even when you’re playing on super hardcore ultra super no casuals mode and you’re having your ass kicked, your first thought is… man I may want to lower the difficulty or if I was playing easy Mode I wouldn’t have so much trouble.
I would say that it’s a valid opinion to have that difficulty select screen are basically implanting the idea that you’re going or can complete the game, you’re just choosing how frustrating it will end up being. Not having a difficulty select option can be a feature for players, because it makes them uncertain if they can or will ever complete the game, making them more immersed and focused on the game. It’s the appeal of games like Nethack or any roguelike.
To paraphrase a wiser man than myself:
“When players say easy mode cheapens the game that’s what they mean it reduces the risk of failure which is an important tool the dev uses for having a sense of accomplishment so when a player player says even having the options cheapens the game, that’s what they mean. the risk of failure is not the same. If you put the easy way out it goes into everyone’s copy. “
Also all they’ve shown so far is how simplified the game is, so when are the features that appeal to the older fans gonna be shown, if they exist at all. The point of the versions was to have various flavors of Fire Emblem, hopefully they will show they care about the old fans soon or it will get frustrating.
This changes affect players emotionally. It’s not entirely rational.
– People like to brag about things they can do others can do, if your friends.
– This is going into everyone’s copy.
– People like feeling like they’re between a rock and a hard place, having a way out affects them. Sure they can have self-control and not choose the easy mode. I still feel like it’s unnecessary annoyance that is present in the back of your mind, I’ve had this personally happen to me in some games, but rarely take the temptation.
– Difficulty select screens feels like, choose your victory for many players. I’ve never had that, but I think it’s a valid grievance. Some people like to be unsure if they’ll be able to clear the game.
– This doesn’t necessarily apply to Fire Emblem. It applies to genres like Roguelikes and horror games more.
– This doesn’t apply to me. It just ticks me off that people with valid feelings and grievances, even if they are partially irrational are demonized.
– If this was free day-one DLC few would have a problem.
So no, people don’t care how other people play game, people care about how their experience may be adversely affected. For the third time, it’s a valid way to feel about things, although not 100% rational.
Yeah how dare people like added features in a game, they must be demonized, mocked and called salty casuals who aren’t handsome hardcore Fire Emblemers like ME… I mean us.
Dude I love games like Kirby’s Epic Yarn. I personally don’t care, but I dislike it that people are being mean to people with valid complaints about the difficulty and am trying to explain why they may feel that way.
In quite the ‘shove in your face because I’m important’ way. I understand your point, but seriously. Mocking? EVERY FREAKING SERIES ADDS SOMETHING NEW. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. And seriously: Casual was a major part of why people bought Awakening. Awakening saved the Fire Emblem franchise. Think about it before shoving your hard-boiled ‘ideas’ down people’s throats.
You really can’t expect games to be THAT perfect, can you? You never have to click that feature, and I’m sure that once you get the game and start playing it you’ll forget all about Phoenix Mode. If you’re seriously tempted to switch to a lower difficulty… do you have no willpower at all?
How many people do you think were attracted to Fire Emblem: Awakening because of Lunatic+ mode? I’d wager very few — less than the amount of custom generated by Phoenix Mode at least. Hell, how many people who bought Fire Emblem: Awakening do you think actually BEAT Lunatic+? Games shouldn’t cater to you, they should cater to everyone.
You don’t know what I’m thinking so how can you be sure that I’ll stop thinking of Phoenix/Casual Moce. Especially when you can lower it permanently if you fail. I do have willpower to not choose it, I never chose Causal mode in Awkening, even when playing in lunatic. It’s more of Navi nagging me about stuff in Ocarina of Time.
It’s knowing that even if I never touch it or use it I have a way out and not feel like I’m between a rock and a hard place. When I die in awakening, particularly my Lunatic playthrough, casual was the first thing that came too mind and I just shrugged it off. Ideally, I should’ve been thinking of how to do better next time.
For me having a difficulty select screen says that the game can be cleared and you’re choosing how hard the rock and hard place is. Roguelikes don’t give a fuck. They’ve been having a resurgence because of people getting tired of games being made with the purpose of being cleared. Hell, Super Mario Bros. also didn’t care, yet is still fun and no one complains about the lack of easy mode there.
I played Fire Emblem because the permadeath, breakable weapons and characters that managed a single role. That sounded cool when Fire Emblem 7 came out and I was 11, so I bought it. Note that all these features have been made optional or removed.
Similarly I bought the Europa Universalis Games not because of how casual they sounded, but because they seemed complex and willing to respect the dedicated player. Not because it has casual mode or “you can’t lose mode.” The difficulty or lack of options can be a selling point. I know this because that’s why I bought Fire Emblem 7.
Catering to everyone is a pointless endeavor and you end up with washed up video games like Resident Evil 6, Clash of Clans and Candy Crush. Catering to everyone is catering to nobody. It’s just bland and safe entertainment.
There are people who will hate Fire Emblem no matter what and catering to them is pointless. Still, it seems that IS is more concerned with them than their old fans like me who will still buy the product no matter what, that’s a little sad.
It stills disgusts me the treatment that people receive that when something that affects their enjoyment of the game negatively are treated with bile, disrespect, and condescension. Sorry it affects them, I don’t think they’re good at expressing it, but it’s similar to how I feel.
I feel more immersed because well it’s not gonna get easier, so I better pay attention, I also have to learn all the mechanics and systems, because well, if not I’m gonna get my ass kicked and lose, and there’s no way out of it. Every decision counts more, each turn is more nerve wracking, each advantage you manage to gain is more significant because again, there’s no way out. Even if I never turn the mode out or give it a glance it still is in the back of my mind when I lose, get frustrated or can’t think of anything else.
Plus human beings in general like to brag about things they do that others can’t and sure you may be more skilled and reach a secret mission on Lunatic and feel more accomplished than if another person did it on Phoenix mode. Still the way to be really accomplished s if the other player never even sees it. It’s selfish and greedy, but hey that’s why some people do X things in video games. I can brag about doing all the sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles but would feel less accomplished if people did them with less effort on an easier difficulty setting.
Also pretty crappy that playing on the harder difficulties isn’t incentivized by IS, you’d think they’d want people to but apparently they want to coddle their players into barely learning to play the game optimally or with challenge.
I’d do with a glowing save file, rank system, achievement or trophy I can brag about to people. Anything that makes Is take note of my achievement instead of not caring how people play their game or what they managed to accomplish in it. Because I think that screwed up Awakening.
Your twin visions are equally useless.
Nobody’s right or false at this subject because it’s just an idiotic confrontation of opinions. However, something has to be say : considering video games like something else than pure entertainment is not bad and letting this media to become casual won’t be good for everyone in the future.
As others said, phoenix mode has no sense other than in lunatic (or lunatic+) difficulty; that is all. If someone needs phoenix mode to play fire emblem, this is nonsense (without saying a word about the spirit of the game, which could be discussed, I admit). Graphics, music, story aren’t the only thing that define a video game; there is the gameplay too. And the gameplay of this game in particular can only be apprehend with a certain degree of difficulty, a frustration, a mass of reflexion and a strategy. Without these elements, we don’t play the same game.
I don’t mind people who want to play with no frustration at all, but they could ask to themselves if they have chosen the appropriate game… In that way of thinking, The Danman has the right to defend the game and the media. It’s to casual people to adapt to the players who think video game is as serious as the cinema. In fact they have the right to apprehend the game in their way; not to depreciate the media because their way of playing.
No one said that they have to use casual or phoenix mode on only normal difficulty. Consider the difference in strategy for something like: phoenix/lunatic+.
EDIT: oh, now they have confirmed that phoenix mode is only for normal mode… lame.
Hey, if *Bunny-Phoenix-Slope-Mode* increases sales and keeps Fire Emblem alive for a few more years (or a decade even), I’m all for it.
As long as they don’t take away Classic Mode, I don’t think it’s really a problem (now if they did then that’d be something to get angry about).
…Of course I won’t ever use *Bunny-Slope-Mode*… (unless they have a secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++! Mode in which you fight Fomortiis, Grima, Nerge, and a Family-Sized Starship on the first chapter… then I’d consider it.)
And the Endgame of Secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++!, wanna take a guess? ALL Past Fire Emblem characters. Maxed-out stats, all with Limit Breaker. (That means HUNDREDS of enemies! Oh JOY!)
Don’t forget the thousands of generics you have to get through on that chapter before you get the *privilege* of fighting the characters who have a name and mugshot. And at the start of every player phase all your units’ HP is reduced to 1 and at the start of every enemy phase 8 generics all warp to surround your units with max’d out stats, limit breaker, and the LOLUDIEDEDLOSER skill equipped. Also, because of LOL, such skills as Sol, Counter, and any other skills remotely useful in a masochistic torture fest (such as this mode) suddenly disappear from your units’ skill slots.
I just wish they could have had kept a smithy, to keep a similar level of complexity like where to focus funds that way. Holy War did it fine since gold wasn’t pooled, the battles were long, and the weapon ranks were fixed.
This makes me even more sure that Aqua won’t be a traditional dancer, but rather some kind of Dancer/Lancer/Lord Class. Seeing as the Avatar is a Dark Prince/Princess (Manakete/Sword/Lord), Wouldnt it make sense for Aqua to be a similar mix of classes, if she is designed to be Kamui’s foil? (Perhaps they’ll even go as far as calling her Light Princess?)
Well, Olivia wasn’t a traditional dancer either, seeing as she could use a sword. Units who can’t fight in a FE may (or may not) be a thing of the past…
I suppose I have mixed feelings about unbreakable weapons. On one hand, a unique bit of FE strategy has passed (“Don’t use the Rapier because we may need it later!!”)… but, on the other hand (provided Weapon Forging returns), forging Alm’s Blade or whatever other neat assorted weapons we’d get to play with isn’t a total waste of time!
On a related note, the weapon durability system was nearly completely broken in Awakening seeing as you could basically buy Hammerne staves from a shop towards the end of the game (a randomly generated Secret Shop, but a shop just the same)… not to mention just how many other things you could horde with the right DLC…. *Edit because I just remembered* AND the restocky-thingy too…
As for Phoenix Mode, I’m just grateful they only added it and didn’t take away Classic Mode.
Normally I might be confused at the utility of Phoenix Mode… Easy Casual was pretty hard to die in intentionally… but then I realized.
Lunatic+
You know, Luna+ & Absolute Hit with a Hammer mode on poor Fredrick? I’m pretty sure we could all still manage to loose spectacularly in that mode assuming that it’s still Game Over for the Lord and other important characters.
Sorta… If this information is right then you and her basically switched places, but in the end she chooses the same family as you. Which might mean she is your adopted sister, but I doubt they will actually classify it as such in game and you will probably be able to marry her(if marriage is in) since she is neither your blood sister and you weren’t raised with her as siblings.
“This particular detail hasn’t been confirmed, but it seems the
blue-haired songstress, Aqua, may be in a similar but reverse position
as the Avatar. According to reports, she is the princess of Nohr taken
prisoner by Hoshido.”
Hoping this gets confirmed ‘cuz I’m just laughing in my chair right now and will laugh all the way through all Mandark style if it is. Peace loving Hoshido my butt!
Y’know, Phoenix mode sounds dumb but it offers a new way to play the game.
Like having a playthrough in which your goal is to beat the chapters while killing off all of your army as much as possible. Then we all share our records.
Anyway, Phoenix Mode sounds silly, but then again it’s not aimed at players like me. Anyone who actually ridicules others for picking Phoenix Mode is just a dick.
It wouldn’t really work for this game since you have to look at least somewhat like your four siblings. Hopefully the next game with an Avatar allows you to pick skin color.
A lot of Asians are tan, actually (myself included). Tan Asians just aren’t as well-represented in Asian media because white skin is considered attractive in most East Asian countries.
Not sure how to feel about the whole “no durability on weapons” thing. I’m sure it’s something I’ll get used to. As for the Phoenix Mode, I don’t see why not? It’s just a silly thing for people to play with. If you don’t want it, stick to classic. I think the more options people have, the better. Overall, still really looking forward to this game!
The Phonix mode is AN OPTION !!
If u dont like, dont choose it, Its very simple. People really feel ashamed cause the game can be finished by casual players ??
This Phonix mode will make FE a more friendish game, and more people will come to like it. More popularity more games. Or these people didn’t know that the franchise was about to be discontinued by nintendo cause Fire emblem it wasn’t selling as they expected ??
the weapons durability was a nice system, but on the other hand, it´s suks to not use a cool-motherfuker-godlike weapon cause u dont want to break it (yea FE is dificult enough to make u use them), with this mode we all could enjoy a nice weapon at our content. it may be a nice implement (or not)!!
See when I first heard that the avatars dragonstone could not break I thought it would just be like that for certain items. I thought beast and dragon stones having a durability to be ridiculous. The +stones yeah I can see why, maybe not tikis but whatever. I also thought it weird you can buy them. Like Nah brings up to Cynthia that dragonstones are rare a precious and should be wasted on dumb things like looking like a bad ass. Like Nah, Ive got leaif blades, Inigo with rightful king, AND he has despoil. We have infinite money right there.
I wish regular weapons had durability still though. It added a point of strategy and made for some tense moments trying to get Chrom or someone over to a unit to give them a new weapon if theirs broke.
Well, I can get why they rolled with Phoenix Mode and they’re not wrong per say. But people shouldn’t be afraid to challenge new things just because it seems a little daunting. They may end up liking it more than they thought.
Well, that’s just my take. More power to the devs and for those who go down this path. Classic Hard is always the way for me.
“With those hot topics behind us for now, there was a spicy rumour about the heroine, Aqua, which we can now confirm to be true.
Similar to the Avatar, Aqua was originally the princess of Nohr, taken
prisoner by Hoshido. The circumstances of her capture are unknown, but
it does raise a lot of questions.”
Hoshido or Nhor ?? damn you Intelligent system, i never was as happy as pissed with a choice :v
i loved the Nohr’s royal family, but i want to protect Kamui’s hometown. It’s a a fuking dificult choice but i’ll probably chose Nhor and change the kingdom from inside.
So… I still don’t have something perfectly clear. Both campaigns are available in ONE game, right? it’s not going to be something like Pokemon where you have to chose a specific version of the game (FE if: Hoshido or FE if: Nohr), RIGHT?
That question has multiple answers:
In Japan, it’s being sold in two versions, plus a limited edition (that’s sold out) with both versions on-cart, plus a download code for the third campaign.
NOA however presented it as an in-game choice, so I don’t know.
Ditto with NOE, though there’s something that makes it seem like they’ll do multiple versions.
My best guess as to our silver-haired mystery man’s name is Aquinas (アキナス). キ and ス are visible, and then out of the letters with those bottoms, ア and ナ are the most probable, thus Aquinas.
I was wondering if you could possibly get a larger scan or screenshot of the Nohr family like you did with the Hoshido? Unless you got it from another source, in which case, sorry for bothering you.
Edit: whoa, why aren’t my comments showing up on the list…
What are they doing to the by many beloved FE formula 🙁
I mean, I would still buy the game. I am going to buy it no matter what.
But major changes like this are. not. necessary.
They’re making things easier for casuals, while attempting to appeal to old fans but inserting artificial complexity.
Honestly I think these changes are hilarious and unnecessary. They feel like an afterthought.
Will still get the game though. Just doesn’t feel like this will be Fire Emblem.
Sounds like you just don’t like change in general. Aside from Phoenix mode, nothing is making the game “easier”. Honestly the new way of handling weapons brings a lot more stategic elements rather than the tedious item management of old.
It’s true the changes are not necessary, but having played all the games in the series up to now, I’m welcome to change. In my opinion, it’s better for the series to change and improve, rather than stay the same. Otherwise, I may as well play the older games.
Exactly because we are all gonna buy it anyway after Awakening is why this is an easy time for experimentation. I’m expecting some of these changes to return in later games, others not. It all depends how well they all work
New classes !! Maybe these are IF´s only classes, but i really love new classes.
Great Butler is obviously Buttler advanced class, im really loking into Maid´s and Ninja´s advanced ones.
So, does anyone know if that -2 to Str and Skl on Silver Weapons is cumulative? Like, do you reduce them after each attack, until you’re whittled down into dealing no damage? Because that’ll make them pretty bad for chokepoints, which, I admit, would be a shake-up to established tactics.
It says there that it is until next turn, so most likely it will just be restore at the end of the turn, you use it, you get the -2 leaving you vulnerable during the enemy phase, on your next phase you should have the Str and Skl again on normal.
I know it’ll be restored at the end of the turn. What I’m asking, is if you kill a guy, then another guy comes up to you and you kill him, does that mean that you’re down to -4 Str until the next turn? So that if more and more enemies throw themselves on you, that you’re Str gets worse and worse until you can’t hurt anything until the next turn?
Because that just kills choke point potential, which has been one of the main tactics for FE for a long, LONG time.
Wow, I actually did not think of it that way. Well, with the few information we have I’d assume that it would work that way, probably the it is only after you use the “attack” command, if so, no reductions should be done when being attacked. Hopefully this will get clarified once we have the full article translated or newer articles.
This assumes there will be choke points at all. Do we know if the maps are designed any better than Awakening? Although I guess being reduced to 0 damage in the middle of a wide, open field would also suck.
Don’t use Silver weapons at choke points then. I think that’s the point of this new system: some weapons are useful in certain situations but completely ill-suited in others. We have to determine which is the most suitable on our own.
I personally don’t think the debuffs would be accumulative though, I imagine it would be just once. But we’ll have to see…
To me it clearly means that every time you use it, your Str and Skl are reduced by 2. At the end of your turn they are back to normal, and then the next time you use it again they are reduced by 2 back to -2.
What I’m more interested to know is whether attacking with a silver sword twice in one fight will reduce it by 4, and whether, presuming something like Galeforce returns, using it 4 times in one turn (twice in two fights) will reduce by 8. It could get rather crippling, and I’m not sure if I like it or not yet.
Silver Sword: Critical Evade -5; AFTER USING, Strength and Skill -2 UNTIL NEXT TURN
Brave Sword: Allows 2 consecutive attacks, Defence and Resistance -4
The caps are my emphasis. There’s a pretty clear distinction between the Brave weapons (which appear to be exactly as you say) and the Silver.
I was hoping that someone who read Japanese had taken a look at the article to see if what I said was true, but I guess the author of the article had already given all the information available.
I have been rather perplexed with all changes they’ve made thus far. But this is good news, truly a marriage of the weapons and magic triangles. The balance seems good and if they limit the # of Weapons, I’m sold! You have my interest.IS. Also, I like Felicia and like that she’s on both sides! 🙂
No confirmation yet, but frankly I think its for sure coming back. Dark and traditional Anima will be Nohr, and Light plus new Anima (like Ice Magic) will be Hoshido.
Depending on how Kozaki feels about releasing his work, to me I feel this weekly countdown to awakening on Famitsu would be a good as chance as any to reveal a full-bodied character (like around the size of the royal family official arts that were in the previous week). Like….this would have been a good chance as any to get a better look at either Cyrus or Oboro. Ergg! Well, I’m hoping there’s also an art book for If.
I am okay with this, actually. It’ll help create different strategies for my play style. Now I just hope that the map design isn’t as stale as Awakening’s was.
I think I might prefer it this way. Now I have incentive to use something other than a brave or steel sword. I probably still will 90% of the time anyway, but at least there’s something there instead of a direct tier progression with the only incentive being durability. Also I wonder if they’ll bring back the magic triangle.
Change is good, it maybe won’t work out, but excluding the abolition of the weapon durability, none of the announced implements will actually change the core of Fire Emblem Gameplay, note that WE Gaiden also use this method. Still they are changing this aspect of the strategy to try a new one.
I see many people talking bad about they want to make FE if more casual, but they cant remember that exactly why FE franchise still exist. FE awakening was to be the last game, but because the changes, and the appeal to casual gamers the game was a fuking sucess, and now we have this great FE project.
damn, it’s really sad that Butler and Maid are promoted classes. It`s known that early promoted classes, are OP early game, and sucks late game … (cof frederick) Damn you Intelligent system D:
hard to know D:
but i reeeally hope they are not early promoted, they seems to be unique classes like Dancer and Lord.
Every FE has one early promoted to hold early game, but they are normaly Great Knight, and Noh already have one. hope still lives
Well they’re almost purely support classes really, all they need is to not get hit and get their hits in to debuff the enemies. So its not like they won’t be totally useless especially if their levels aren’t capped at 30.
I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t really get what would promote to Maid or Butler. I’d put more money on them being special classes like Dancer, which would make sense because they focus on support overall.
I guess I’d like to have a Healer-Jeigen rather than a Jeigen that could actually steal my EXP if I wasn’t a veteran of FE enough to know to avoid said Jeigen like the plague.
It seems to me like Butlers/Maids are the Nohrian healer class whist Hoshido seems to be going more traditionally FE (Sakura the Priestess) with clerical healers… If that’s true, I think it’s brilliant, as in the tropes and classes actually have a hand in the storytelling and world building (as opposed to Bernese healers, Lycian healers, and Etrurian healers all using the same staves and are clerics/priests of the same church). They also seem to be doing well in that the new classes seem to be functioning the same way the healers did in the elder games; so storytelling elements and a continuity of gameplay-function at the same time!! ^_^
I hope I can have bright red hair in this game because for whatever reason you couldn’t have red hair in awaking. Oh and hot pink. Also hoping dudes get hair accessories has well. In Japan hair bands are popular with younger men and its not like the world will explode if a dude had a feminine hair piece. I want flowers in my hair.
Cutlery. It worked for Sebastian from Black Butler. 😀
Then again, if they were geared entirely towards both serving and protecting their employer, they would have some martial skill and experience in subterfuge to go with it.
Sabotage wouldn’t be too far out of the question or information gathering-keeping an ear to the ground to ensure there are no threats within their staff and so on. Really it would depend on the person.
Concealable weaponry would be ideal so knives would be more appropriate, but think along the lines of maybe how royal butlers/guards are portrayed. Hand to hand combat perhaps? You wouldn’t mess with them regardless of the choice.
Judging by the images, it seems like Aqua or her pendant has the power to control water. Perhaps it’s the Nohr’s equivilent to the Dragon’s Vein ability?
both royal families has the Dragon’s Vein ability … in theory all of them could use it, but only in special occasions.
But maybe, just maybe, each of them has one different Dragon´s Vein ability. Kamui coul control space time, and Aqua water (just a theory)
I find it odd that the royal family in Nohr have the same ability as the royal family of Hoshido. It’d make more sense if both were reffered to as Dragon’s Vein, but had different effects, like Aqua’s waterbending. (Not going to lie, that’s pretty much what it is.)
the producers said that both families members will have Dragon Veins, and will only be an option in special ocasions, like rebuild a bridge ore start a water flood. More details are still unclear, but I think the effect will vary with the trigger not with the characters
Nope, the characters are only used to illustrate Attack Stance/Guard Stance. In the “battle” on the left, Camilla is standing next to Marx who initiates an attack on Ryouma; Camilla would join the battle and Dual Strike. In the other image, pairing Sakura with Hinoka would boost the latter’s stats; however, Sakura cannot Dual Strike.
Just wondering, does anyone knows what the 7 customisation options are? In Awakening, there were the 5: build, face, hair, hair colour and voice, and we know there will be a hair accessory option. Does anyone know what the 7th option translates to?
Their reasoning for the abolishing of weapons is terrible. I really hope the added depth adds complexity as opposed to makes things easier. I understand appealing to newcomers, but this change affects vets too… If anything, it should have been optional.
Don’t know, i like what they did with that.
Like i won’t give brave weapon for all units (-4 for def and res? it can be one dead unit after one turn). It isn;t what i’ll call *make game easier*. Without weapon durability game become *less tedious* yeah.
I like the new complexity too, but I don’t know if they’ll make good on their word. I hope it’s as complex as it sounds on paper AKA the units are actually affected by said buffs and debuffs.
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I don’t think i follow. We can already see that units actually affected by buffs and debuffs. And what the point in removing features after telling that they are in game?
When they say they did it to make the game easier for newcomers, I still don’t see it. Like, with durability, all you had to think about is what weapon to use (though I can understand with Nohr because the lack of ability to earn money outside the main game. Hoshido on the other hand….it just depends on how much money you’re able to get), but with the buff system, it seems they’ll have to require more thinking in deciding what weapon to use for their unit. I mean I have no issue with the whole thing. It just seems like they didn’t make things easier despite what they claim because now newcomers have to worry about things like “Double Attack Threshold” numbers.
Again the Change the fe mechanics sometimes in the franchise especially the weapon mechanics. Ok first off sometimes a franchise need something new I can’t be the same thing over and over. Second you do realize there are thing in the game that still make it hard right.
Three things I noticed/liked~:
1) It was kind of obvious of them to get rid of hand-held ranged-weapons’ ability to double-attack. Because if you think about it realistically, once you throw your javelin over a wall….you’re not getting it back.
2) People/IGN can stop complaining about butler and maid classes as they promote into actual canon classes now.
3) MALE PEGASUS KNIGHTS!!!! TSUBAKI is most likely a guy now
I’m pretty sure Tsubaki is a guy since he uses the male pronoun “ore” in one of the scans. Can never be sure, though, he could be a really boyish girl since Sully used “boku”, another male pronoun. …I say he’s a guy.
More than can be counted, my good sir (no, really). The tropes make up half what FE truly is. I can live without weapon durability, but never take away my Jeigen’s, my Navarre’s, my Caeda’s, my Est’s, my Cain’s, my Abel’s, and my Gotoh’s (that was just the stuff I remember off the top of my head. A half hour from now, I’d have remembered twice that). XD
“More appealing for newcomers” seems like a blatant marketing tactic to me. There is just no way they would be so brutally honest with such a controversial subject as this, unless there’s a good reason. It’s just like them saying the Hoshido path is more appealing to Awakening players despite the fact that grinding costs like 1000+G each battle…
Compared to weapon durability, there are a lot of other much more lethal things like enemy dual-strikes, difficult/complex map objectives etc. that are easier to turn new players away than weapons having limited uses (which has rarely been a problem anyway unless in higher difficulty due to the massive amount of resources that we tend to get), yet they still had no problem including and CONSTANTLY ADVERTISING those stuffs.
Therefore, I’m of the opinion that they’re only using “new players” as an excuse to test out something new, yet still attract newcomers at the same time.
…That is exactly my point. In case I haven’t made myself clear, I was saying that people shouldn’t read too much into their claim that certain options were added/removed just for the sake of new players (and thus having no concern about the veterans), while it isn’t necessarily always the case. Development changes happen, they wanted to test out new things, there didn’t even need to be a reason for that, they could very well just shake things up for the sake of having something new. But hey, saying that they’re considering the newcomers help sell the game, so why not?
Also, in Awakening, Risens pop up after a while so you can freely grind if you have enough patience, but that’s beside the point here.
I think that Fire Emblem:If will be a bit too easy. Like… Phoenix mode, a mode where your units never really die- that takes away the strategic and emotional challenge that IS Fire Emblem. Not to mention the removal of weapon durability. Instead of removing it all together, they should have given the players the option if they want to turn durability off/on. That way, they will be pleasing people who are worried about their weapon’s condition, AND the people who are looking for a bit of a challenge. What do you guys think?
Oh oops, I forgot about the enemy pair ups, sorry about that… But one thing that I really wanted was the option to turn durability on/off. Tbh, I actually found the games to be a bit more thrilling with durability, cause in real life, weapons do break if they are overused time and time again. I understand that they would remove durability for the Nohr campaign, but what about Hoshido? We’ll probably be drowning in weapons, and I’m not sure selling them would kinda work out. I mean, we usually bought MORE weapons with our money though, right? We can buy more medicine and all that but I don’t know… It just doesn’t sound as challenging anymore…
I don’t really know, when I was doing my no grind runs in Awakening, Cash wasn’t exactly the easiest thing to come by and presumably with unbreakable weapons comes higher price point per weapon as well as shops not having unlimited weapons on sale. So with the more horizontal progression, buying weapons still retains that economic factor. This all comes down the execution which can’t be easily stated in interviews and the like so we’ll have to see how it turns out in june. There’s also the speculation that Hoshido’s “World map” isn’t actually a world map, just a method to take optional battles (Which also can put economic strain in ways the Nohr campaign does not).
weapons do break in real life, but no self-respecting army would fail to do proper maintenance on their weapons to keep them from breaking. Outright unbreakable still seems kinda sketch, I would have liked it if it was like weapons get their durability reset at the end of battles, but I guess we’ll have to see the game before we know if it’s good or not.
There’s nothing to be scared of on an optional option. I’m assuming you’ve at least played another FE title before so would have no need to go on Phoenix. No one is losing anything by playing Phoenix. If those players thought the game was too easy or decide to write a bad review on it then it shouldn’t matter because 1) They paid for the game, not like they can return it 2) Everyone else will know they did it on the easy-as-all-hell Phoenix mode so their complaints will have zero standing.
I’m actually not scared of Phoenix in the slightest. I’m not a fan of it, but it really is what it is. I’m just wondering if the lack of durability is for the better as we’d have some replacement options, but they are untested meaning it could go great or horribly. It’s a case of tried and true vs the new, and as someone who likes the mechanics, I’m more on the side of tried and true. However, by a month from now we’ll have a good indication of the game and its new mechanics as a whole.
There’s already been a game without weapon durability. I think it was fe 3 or 4 but I can’t remember specifically. Admittedly, it was done differently and there was a very limited number of weapons but from what we’ve heard the weapons will have distinct drawbacks and advantages which will be enough to warrant having to bring different weapons with you and developing different strategies around each of their effects.
Er… ‘visions’? do you mean ‘versions’? I’m sorry, I was a bit confused there for a sec XD anyways, yeah I admit I kinda forgot about the enemy pair ups, but casual was already a bit easy enough. At least for casual, if your units die, they will stay out of the battle, thus making you change your plans and think a bit more. However, with the new Phoenix mode, the player doesn’t really need to change their battle tactics, only trying to keep the rest of their units alive for one turn. I know you don’t have to play Phoenix, but with that mode, it kinda takes away the whole challenge.. At least in my opinion..
Oh sorry i must have spelled “vision” on my phone by mistake, but hey I have to say that’s a pretty weak way to laugh at something.
1: yeah even in causal you can still lose, you just need to Protect the main characters. Also in causal they don’t stay dead dipshit they come back after your done.
2:in chess there is thing called back spacing were you can take back and it’s kind of like Phoenix.
1. Yes, I knew that they come back to life afterwards. I just didn’t feel like explaining it sorry.
2. Did not know that since I don’t have the chance to play chess that often
3. May you please be a bit more specific about ‘it’s about learning’? I don’t really think I understand what you mean… Do you mean learning about different strategies?
And I really apologize about prolonging this discussion. Also, one more thing-
May you please kinda stop it with the name-calling? Calling someone a ‘dipshit’ or a ‘dumbass’ can really hurt them.
1: yes because you had so much time on how funny the word “vision”.
2:do you know how some games play where the put you on easy at first ,but then they lead you to hard? anyway they are a lot of new players especially the younger gamers aka kids that might want to play a strategic game.
1. sorry about putting the ‘XD’ I have a tendency to kinda laugh (or at least put a lil laughing emoji/smiley) on conversations that I feel are getting a bit intense/heavy/you get the point so it can kinda lighten the atmosphere. I didn’t really laugh or find it at all funny.
2. I see your point. Thank you for clearing that up! 😀
Deal with it. You’ll be glad they implemented both of those when Lunatic+, or possibly Lunatic++ rolls around. That should be dificult enough for you. And the fact is, you don’t HAVE to use Phoenix mode, so don’t complain about it.
Haha, yes Lunatic+/Lunatic++ would be a bit of a nightmare XD
And I’m not really complaining about the new Phoenix mode. I just have some mixed feelings about it. Like yes, it makes our lives a whole lot easier since we know that our units will spring back to life on the next turn. But because of that fact, some players may have a tendency to not think about the battle too much (I may have worded that weirdly I don’t know XD), thus taking away it’s strategic challenge. Say for casual. We know our units will come back WHEN THE FIGHT IS OVER. However, in the meantime, the player must come up with another new plan on how to win the battle without those units who have just died.
If newcomers find the game boringly easy on Phoenix mode they could always just change the difficulty/start a new game. If they liked it as Phoenix then so be it. One can hope that they’ll like the game enough to replay/buy the other versions and play it on a higher difficulty. Though I got to say if they do get all three version and do Phoenix on all of them….well um….yeah…I guess if they truly felt like doing that its not in our position to stop them….but they’re really missing out by sheltering themselves through all that.
So as a neutral party towards Phoenix, I think it would be interesting/make things not as easy, if they reverted the starting units’ stats to its normal value after each revival. I mean if a character gained like 3 levels during a chapter but then died and revived on the following turn, that they would lose any stat gains and their level would be brought back down to the level they were when they started the chapter. But meh, whatever, if that’s not the case then I don’t really care.
Intelligent System is trying to make Fire Emblem more friendly to newcomers, this mean more people playing FE, more succeed, more money, and more GAMES. People forget thar FE awakening was supposed to be the LAST FE GAME, cause FE wasn’t very popular.
Phoenix mode may be a little too much, but it’s supposed to bring more players to Fire Emblem world, and that´s awesome for us. And one more time, it´s an option, you can always play classic and be happy, have an option is always a good idea.
And about the weapon durability … yeah it’s a major change to FE formula, but change is not always a bad thing. It sucks to have that awesome weapon and don’t use it, cause you don’t want to break it, im sure many players have some unused powerful weapon cause you wait to much to use it. It´s a waste. They are changing this aspect from weapons, but on counterpart they will (at least try) balance this change.
I’m all for them fiddling around with the weapon system. The whole “javelin-can-only-attack-once” thing does add a little more depth to the game… Of course clearly every weapon is now made out of the same MEGAMETAL™ that Ragnell and Falchion are made of… Totally legit, that.
Of course they’ll realize their mistake and bring durability back… except they didn’t bring weight back… *sniffsniff* I guess we’ll never hear that triumphant ♪Wah-wah-wah-wah wah-wah♪ anymore. *cries*
For javelins, I always thought (back in the GBA era) that you got a set of 25 (hence 25 uses or whatever it actually was because my memory fails) and that if you were quick enough, you’d get two off instead of just one…
As for hand axes… yeah, they were totally boomerangs.
This is a very interesting interview. I only hope this game provides a strong challenge. Sure I know it wants to bring in newcomers but what about for the veteran players? I hope Intelligent Systems can give us something that is not only satisfying but also will have the AI kicking our butts at the same time.
Maybe by Amiibo support they are referring to a line of Fire Emblem LF Amiibos though. If the game is anywhere near as popular as awakening that could be a great way to cash in on that.
“Since some players may consider it wasteful to use a particular weapon, they may end up not using it at all; at which point it’s as if the weapon doesn’t exist.”
And this is why I ended up playing Awakening using only Bronze pretty much weapons throughout the entire game (until someone got 50+ Luck and Armsthrift). Fun? Not really. But it wasn’t challenging either, as I quickly started to one shot pretty much everyone even with those Bronze weapons, with few exceptions. And that was playing on Hard (Normal).
There really wasn’t much strategy behind the breakage of weapons in Awakening, as you could easily stock up on as many as you needed if you wanted to. But for the sake of economy, I stuck to Bronze because I needed nothing more.
But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to have more fun with stronger weapons. And it sounds like I may be able to do that in FE: If.
Yeah, in earlier games when your convoy could only hold a hundred items, things became thrifty and a bit challenging (none of this 20+ iron/steel/silver/brave swords in stock nonsense)… I suppose the durability system went from being a strategic obstacle to being annoying to being non-existent.
Bronze weapons only? There’s a moderately interesting challenge for my next run (oh the smithing I’ll do…)
Finally, item durability has become more video-game-like! Not sure if that will be good in the long run, though……..I really think that ‘normal’ weapons should have a durability, while tomes and ‘special’ weapons are unbreakable (come on, how does a tome break from overuse?).
Also, I want to see someone Game Over in Phoenix Mode during a normal level. Just because.
Books fall apart if you don’t take care of them (like reading them in the rain, the wind, the desert, on the road, and in a dirty battlefield). It’s inconceivable for us because we buy books, read’em once or twice inside a warm and dry house… and then put them on a shelf.
Well good to know they put an end to grinding-for-skills abuse and the potential abuse of male galeforce users. But if levels don’t reset, exactly how would a person get their 5 additional skills? Well, the way I see it is that if they needed any skills while pre-promoted, they would change their class at level 10?, and while promoted they would change to another promoted class at level 15 (totally forgot what level promoted units get their second skill at). I kind of forgot if this was the case in FE:A, but if you now changed your level 16 Great Knight to a level 16 Paladin, would you still be able to get both the natural and second skill of the Paladin?
ok, parallel seals will maintain the user levels, but how about the skills ?
apparently it will nerf the skills from other branch classes, unless it unlock all early levels skills …
There’s a whole-lot of gender confusion going on with If lol (now with Oboro). Got to blame the fact that a lot of the Hoshido guys like to grow out their hair.
I take it that your max stats are lower than in Awakening since we are now back to a maximum of 20/20 levels. I love that characters have their own unique skill that will make them stand out more and it would give you incentive to use some characters over others.
You probably can, but they haven’t confirmed it yet. There’s a suspicious quote in the magazine that says you can “class change as many times as you want!”. Which… could be referring to the Parallel Seal, I guess. So who knows? XD
Taking out a mechanic a lot of people enjoy so post-game extras can be more easily accessible seems a little off to me. Or they could have just made said DLC chapters less difficult.
Intelligent Systems, as a follower of the FE series, I regret to inform you that the direction in which you lead now with the unlimited weapon uses category is corrosive. The FE formula is in the makings of achieving complete mastery over the 3DS system as it had was on the Gameboy with FE7 and FE:SS. It is an un-refuted fact that you had mastered the game boy system with those two aforementioned titles and showed the world what it was to craft a game on a limited system, and master a game with story and perfectly resonant mechanics that allowed the story and the game to merge resulting in the most richest interactive visual software experiences ever created inherently within the medium of hardware.
Please take this criticism positively; durabilities is a major concern! Truly, you must know that FE7 and FE8 are the most worshiped titles you’ve ever produced; the evidence of this is in youtube and forums all over the internet that to this day create mods for 7 & SS emulations. People have written all kinds of stories and developed all kinds of MUGS that they employ within the system you’ve created. The community is ripe. Just take a look at cedarnyx’s channel or MarkyJoe’s channel who single handed hosts mod competitions for those games. And one of the primary aspects of this is because people want to relive the experience that you delivered. They want to meet characters like Lynn, Eliwood, Hector, Ephraim and Erika again. They want to beat Ephidel again! Why because the system, the world and characters resonated with their hearts! They found humanity within the Fire Emblem world. You had made it into a reality with tiny clever and intelligent pieces of genius nuggets of code and UI design so well crafted, and weopon DURABILITY was one of those aspects that bound us to that reality! FIre Emblem is a bag full of nuggets of gold. And we don’t want to part with a single pebble. Durabilities is one of those pebbles!
If however, in the course of this argument, we, the fire emblem community have not afforded to convinced you to route this decision. Then we request that at least you let this feature lay to rest in classic mode or have an option to allow it to remain therein, as it, just like the entire system, has become for us an unrivaled poem that enchants us in every visit, with a warm welcome, and so we won’t part with a single word.
Please do not deprive us of that word, we’ve supported you throughout your creative endeavours, now we ask that you support us in kind.
‘Vantage’ + ‘Deathmatch’ = Me worrying about overpowered skill mixing, again. And ‘Strength Seal’ will do what ‘Defense Seal’ did but reduce 6 Atk I’m guessing. I guess my problem is just Vantage’s balancing in general. Would it need a nerf? I’m just getting worried again, but remember ‘Miracle + Vantage + Vengeance’?
Wow. I don’t know what to say. That video was something else. Hot springs with my boys? Hell yeah. Hot springs with my girls? Kazahana might disagree, but hell yeah. Petting my unit’s faces like pokemon amie? Hell yeah. Cool looking Marth and Ike art? Hell yeah, I am officially insanely hyped for this game, and it’s a damned shame because i have to wait till 2016.
They don’t know how hyped Fire Emblem is in NA.. Alot of JP companies it seems don’t know that their games are hyped..
On a side note, Intelligent systems is really riding on Awakening’s success to push out so many new features into the series. With high expectations, I cannot wait to see what they can come up with.
From what I’ve seen in the past, with manga, anime, and video games, Japan doesn’t really pay attention to what westerners think about their stuff. They appear to be only focused on their own localization, while having it being sold overseas is just a plus for them. Ie: I’ve know Japanese manga writers that don’t care about their stuff being leaked to westerners, put they have zero tolerance with easterners. Highschool of the dead (both anime and manga) surprisingly tanked in Japan, while it was more than welcomed in the west. Even the writer said he as surprised because he didn’t even realize his stuff was so popular in the west.
Reminds of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure where a character says to a mangaka that they want an english translation of their manga to makeit easier for them to read and the mangaka saying that they never translated his manga into english because they didn’t understand his genius. Of course that mangaka was a Jerk version of the author.
Also WataMote and other series have been sometimes catered to the west, but that stopped happening a lot since the economic recession.
Ehh, don’t forget that Fire Emblem Cipher is giving us download codes for Marth, Lucina, and Pegasus Knight Minerva, so don’t say “not DLC” and “no Lyn” just yet.
We don’t know if the download codes are gonna work just like the Amiibo, but I honestly can’t see them being that different, and I don’t imagine them letting us recruit 2 Marths and 2 Lucinas.
I can say not DLC because the footage didnt show DLC, it showed Amiibo. I’m not sating their wont be DLC, just that we dont know if there is if it will work in a similar way. And i doubt the Cipher cards are coming out of Japan. Maybe we’ll get some other codes for the characters they get, but we definitely wont get the cards.
Awakening had a huge roster of dlc characters, all of them poorly made, so MAYBE we can see more characters from other Games in the same quality as Marth, Lucina, Robin and Ike
Thanks a ton for the translation, dude.
I agree with the other guy, it’s gonna be hard to fight against your mom. Just imagine if you end up having to kill her too.
that’s the point, in the PV it seems Sumeragi was killed while protecting Kamui from Nohrian arrows, but we dont know for sure what happened there. Maybe it’s a mistake take Nohr as bad guys …
Or perhaps the Nohrian emporer abducted the avatar in retaliation for Aqua’s abduction.
Garon may have launched an attack to retrieve Aqua from the Hoshido and came across Kamui and their father during said attack, thought, “well, in for a penny, in for a pound.” The only two questions that I haven’t seen asked is whether Aqua’s abduction came before or after the avatars, or whether or not either side tried to offer a straight up trade to get their relevant crotch spawn back, because so far it doesn’t look like either even thought of that, but time will tell.
It also occurs to me that someone had to have given the order to abduct her. The king, Sumeragi, or considering Sumeragi bites the dust, that would leave queen Mikoto as the sole culprit, because Ryouma would’ve been too young at the time himself. But this largely depends on whether she was taken before or after the avatar. On the other hand, maybe someone in the Hoshido army got a little too gung-hoe and jacked Aqua from her family as a bonus.
This game honestly feels likes it is getting better and better with each update. I just really hope the map and mission structure in the Nohr version is good, or at the very least better than what Awakening gave us. I kind of prefer these character designs over Awakening, but I’m wondering how much crossover they’ll be as far as who you can recruit. Like, will I be able to recruit Crimson even if I side with Nohr? Even if the campaigns are different, just how varied are the recruitment pools supposed to be. I know some are probably going to be locked into their side as that’s a given.
Also: Oh man, is that the Shenmue menu music I’m hearing? I can very much deal with something that is aesthetically similar to Shenmue’s soundtrack.
Alternatively if you translate the characters backwards:
Marth: “You remind me of Kris.”
Ike: “You remind me of Soren.”
Robin: “You remind me of myself.”
Lucina: “You remind me of Robin.”
Great analysis! At the risk of sounding extremely nitpicky, though, I’m a little bit doubtful about this particular part:
”Here’s something new though that was hinted earlier: In Guard Stance, enemy Attack Stances are automatically negated.”
I guess it could be read that way, but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to interpret the Japanese text on the website as simply stating that when the gauge has filled up an enemy attack will be completely blocked, including any additional attacks from enemy rear units in attack stance? Rather than negating attack stances altogether?
I guess it can be read either way, but the way they added it as a footnote makes me thing it’s meant to be read separately.
Plus there’s a screenshot where Kamui and Suzukaze are in an Attack Stance against a pair of enemies in a Guard Stance and Suzukaze has no battle stats. So I’m more leaning towards Guard Stance always negating Attack Stance.
It would add a lot more incentive to use Guard Stance too, since players are typically offensively-oriented and may dismiss Guard Stance for not providing follow-up attacks.
I see, I didn’t know about that screenshot! Was it in one of the recent Famitsu issues?
I must agree that your explanation makes a lot of sense from a gameplay perspective. It’d make the choice between the two stances a really interesting one. Come to think of it, it should be interesting to see how how well the AI will be able to use the stances to its advantage.
I had Charlotte pegged for trouble the moment I saw her and simply cannot figure out why that is.
Has there been any word on how we generate dragon vein points in the my castle area? Will it make use of the 3ds coin system? Have to admit that I am looking forward to this game even though we have to wait even longer for it to be released. I am also terribly amused and disgusted by the abhorant reaction of the veterans about the mofu mofu/Pokemon amie function.
Also: ‘accidental’? Hard to call being turned into a human pincushion an ‘accident.’ This only makes me even more suspiciousof the Hoshido. I suspect they jacked Aqua first and Garon retaliated trying to get her back. Only he came across the avatar and their father, killed him and abducted the mc.
I just want to point out that this is a Japanese game first, so the characters and their designs will probably differ in the NA release, just like Tharja’s portrait from the Awakening DLC.
You mean the ridiculous overreaction to Tharja’s smallest sliver of a buttcrack image and their solution being the curtain? Yet they were quite content to let Nowi fly through the vetting process in her outfit. Yeah, actually I see your point in that regard.
I actually happen to like Camilla due to the whole overprotective big sister persona she’s got going on. Panty armour be damned. I do want to off Luna though. Severa was a character who got on my nerves and I can not deal with that behaviour a second time round.
With Charlotte I am willing to give her a chance. Benoit is going to be funny though. I thought they were siblings or he was her bodyguard or something.
Well, Severa was a really popular character… Also, with a really large cast of characters some similar characters can be expected. But yeah, I did not expected that much similarity. I love Kusuke Kozaki’s designs and style, but that is not his best. However, sometimes these kind of things happen because Executive Meddling, and in these projects artists must do what their employers ask. Either way, not that it ruins the game or something, at least not for me.
I didn’t say that the style was an excuse.
Oh, yes, you are right. Including all the cast, Severa was not that popular. So, my bets now are that some people in Intelligent Systems like her too much. As I said, it could be a case of just lazy design, but also lets take into account that the artists do not have total control of the designs, most of the time those things are requested or need approval. If they wanted a Severa’s clone, Kusuke Kozaki just did what they said (if that was really the case).
It’s more than that. She has the same voice actress (who is hosting the 25th anniversary concert, FYI).
IS is just pandering to the Awakening fans by making brazen clones of the popular child units, making the roster look bigger.
Pretty likely that she was planned like that since the beginning. However, lets wait for the entire rooster, if it is bigger than past Fire Emblems, a few clones would not be that much of an issue. But, if is not that big and there are a lot of clones, that would be lame.
Well, in my case this is not that important. Tactical RPG are my favorite kind of games. I am interested in the game as a whole, but the mechanics and the missions are my priority. Hehe, it seems that we are not going anywhere with this discussion. Lets end here.
Well, Severa is Selena in Japan but her name was changed in North America so she wouldn’t be confused with the character from Sacred Stones. Selena is a name relating to the moon, as is Luna. They both share the same class, and the same voice actor… this is definitely not coincidence and may be a Camus/Sirius situation minus the mask somehow. Or how Palla/Catria/Est have visited other nations together. Many of the children in Awakening implied that they could not go home to their own future but felt uncomfortable being around their parents, knowing their own selves would be born into the world later on. So in a way, knowing there is dimensional travel and a bunch of displaced kids, they go on a journey and end up in places like… this one.
Tellius and Magvel are also different worlds but the dimensional gates allowed those characters to appear in Awakening… We also have confirmation that Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina appear when you use their amiibos and there are concepts similar to alternate dimensions.
On the off chance that Luna is just an expy of Severa, then whatever, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she is a dimensional gate traveler either.
I definitely think dimensional gates will be a thing for FE series, as a way to connect all the different realms (it’ll just not be pivotal to the story and more DLC-related stuff). I get the feeling it definitely is Severa (Selena) just that she changed her name. Maybe perhaps she’s taking notes from Lucina like when she was pretending to be Marth (lol). FE: Awakening had Priam who is Ike’s son, so if FE: IF will have Cordelia’s (Tiamo in japanese) daughter Severa (Luna in IF), then we might just see a running trend of seeing previous games characters offsprings in the next game. I’m going to ignore the remakes like shadow dragon being the target game for Awakening to pull from, considering Awakening takes place in the same world and is 2000 years later (hell Chrom is Marth’s descendant if you want to nitpick).
Take it you haven’t seen Odin, then?
This just feels like a lazy way to pad out the character roster, as well as more Awakening pandering.
Now the Fire Emblem community can argue about clones.
Actually, Kazahana’s personal skill may not be as great as it sounds. Probably it only activates on your turn, and even if the skill applies on either turn, directly adjacent enemies is not something you see that much, especially on normal or easy difficulties.
True, true! And there are missions when you have to do it, there it is going to help a lot. But for the rest of the chapters, not that much, unless you play like that. In my case, I don’t stall enemies unless is necessary. My point is that I don’t think is much better than other personal skills. However, some other’s personal skills can become useless at end game, unless these skills change or evolve, that is. This one seems useful from the beginning to the end.
I honestly think its too early to judge whether this skill is good or bad. However, considering now that enemy units can now “pair up,” they are probably revamping enemy AI to act in groups more so than previous FE games. While you might not be dealing massive damage to a lot of units simultaneously, this is still a good skill to counter against enemies units that act as a group. They already mentioned in the Nintendo Direct how you can set your characters in “My Castle” to act in groups or run around solo.
Indeed, is too early. My hopes are that every character is going to be useful. I do not like the idea of having characters with much better abilities than others. Of course, in other hand, the reclassing options and the max stats also could affect how good is an unit. But yeah, we can’t see the whole picture right now.
I hadn’t thought about the enemies’ IA, good point, there would be new things in that aspect.
Dive Bombing. With a tank built unit. Most of the time, I can see people going to use ranged units to reduce an opposing units Hp to near enough while grouped for Kazahana to clear. Taking Ike’s Eruption from Smash and making it a personal. But for now, we’ll have to say it does as great as it sounds.
Well, that requires a specific tactic. And we need to see if Kazahana actually gets more experience by killing enemies that way.
I am just saying this skill could be not that overpowered, especially if you have to use other units to set things like that and make it look cool. It would look cool though.
yeah, luna’s a lazy design. you know who else is a lazy design? Danved in radiant dawn! he looks just like devdan from path of radiance. super lazy imo.
and don’t even get me started on them reusing camus like three times in the first three games. Were they sirius with that?
I’m definitely going to spend 90% of my game time tweaking and messing around with all these cool features while forgetting to save my country or whatever, lol…
To think there are people who just want to do campaigns. I can understand for like a few games/titles, but to actually want all games in the series to follow FE 7’s/8/everything else except for Awakenings’ formula would be redundant as all hell. I for one (along with the vast majority) welcome these changes that are coming to Fire Emblem. Because with stuff like this, we’re able to learn more little quirks of our characters and have them be more relevant than when compared to how characters in Awakening were treated. There is nothing wrong with getting to know the people in your army, it shows you care as a commander and you aren’t there to just “beat the game”. This game is going to be a god-send in occupying free time….plus if one out of the two copies of IF is going to cost this much, I would would rather get my money’s worth (BTW, having around 25 chapters of campaign is so not worth over$50, hence, all this extra content)
It’s like when they introduced the support system in FE6. I wonder how many people bickered because there was less left up to their f̶r̶e̶a̶k̶’̶d̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ head-canons.
I welcome them bringing in more things to do than just the main campaign like previous games in the series. Not to mention, as you said, this kind of helps other characters be a bit more important.
These are the type of people who are comparable to those who bought pokemon x/y omega/alpha and only wanted to beat it as fast as they can and only doing gyms and the elite four, finishing the game within 3 days. If people just want to play a game for its main point and not explore or take their time, then its their prerogative. But its dumb that the same people will get angry at the fact that new features outside of the main game are added on, when in fact they won’t even bother doing them in the first place.
I really don’t get why most of the hardcore fans (well the more vocal ones) have to be such prudes. I’m as hardcore as the rest of them, playing FE 7 & 8 and then went out of my way to buy&play the Japanese copy of 6. Considering how similar those 3 (and the rest of them) were, I’m glad we have drastic changes.
Yeah, and then those same people would just argue “If they weren’t spending time on My Castle, they could focus more on the main campaign!”
I don’t really like it when some argue that point. It’s as if they’re implying that Intelligent Systems is sacrificing the main campaign for My Castle, when I doubt that’s the case. I’m fully confident that they’re achieving the kind of game they set out to make.
And who wouldn’t have a dungeon in their castle? Even if it serves no purpose? I’ll put it right next to Anna’s Secret Shop. *puts index finger to his chin*
Why can’t Nintendo do for this game what they did for Pokemon and just release this title in NA the same time as Japan!?!?!?!? I dont know if I can wait till next year, I NEED THIS GAME ALREADY!!!!!!
Spare a thought for European players who will no doubt have to wait longer than America to get their hands on the game. Awakening came out two months after it was released stateside. The only reason I survived was because I wasn’t interested until I watched US uploaders on YouTube then preordered that shit immediately.
Seems more like they’re fusing FE and Tomodachi Life.
Exactly which of these news was intended for the hardcore fans? It all sounds like stuff the new people will be more happy to learn about.
inb4 they reveal that both maids were actually one maid to begin with and are now split entities. Joker betrays them, becomes the final boss while the two maids combine to form the final monster.
This game definitely steers towards Awakening fans. Waifu Sim 2.0 now with customization homes, buildings and prisons. I feel a lot less effort went into game’s cores and mechanics.
they’re just not talking about core and mechanics because there’s no reason to at all (bar the mechanics that changed). Its a boring subject to even write about in magazines and directs. They’re just getting all the subject-worthy/more talkative stuff out of the way. Because honestly, what would get the public talking more, having a direct where it goes “Oh look….rescue option and weapon weight is back…..wo hooo….” (and literally the conversation ends under a minute) compared to “Fire Emblem is now adding a My Castle Feature along with Fire Emblem Amie” (now that starts conversations).
The same amount of effort most likely went into the gameplay. Zero effort would be this all being one game, and just like awakening or FE7. Though I will admit, the only old mechanic I miss is light magic. Its kind of dumb that it still hasn’t been brought back at this point.
They’re not talking about mechanics because I feel they’re so clouded by how big Awakening was. And reintroducing all the good mechanics isn’t that bad. “Rescue, Weapon Weight, Durability and Light including the magic triangle is back…..wo hooo…..” but really “Now we can explain why this is such a good idea, how this can gear the series to a better future for the genre, to the Awakening/General newcomers why they should start getting to the core construct instead of making billions of forums about what they have in their castle’s and who are they going to marry for the next 3 generations.” People aren’t just seeing all the mechs as a whole. Instead, everyone else rather play dolly in a castle. And their’s plenty of other games for that.
I’m gonna tell something in the god damn island I live the only people I know are fans of Fire Emblem are me and my little brother thanks to Awakening well I actually I was a fan before but that was the first game I manage to get my hands on but I like the Awakenig formula! I can level grid swicht classes around and ship as much as I can. My brother after Awakening began to play the other games and liked them more. So don’t say things like that. People are people some like Awakening style more some not. You can’t make us like other things. And because people like me like to know more about your units in the games and love the My Castle doesn’t make us any different. And I love the fact weapons have no durability because it makes more sense I mean a sword breaking in 50 uses that’s dumb. If you don’t like My Castle don’t use it okay? Do other stuff I mean what’s that compared with the rest of what I’m sure will be an amazing game and didn’t even tried it yet so what do you know? Sorry about this whole rant but honestly you sound like a jerk who thinks people play for waifu/husbandos, ships, etc… That’s insulting to Awakening there’s a lot more to it and it’s fans than that it just happens to be the most talked thing because it’s fun to talk about because all the supports and the children and pair ups make it something people like to talk. I play it for FUN! That’s how it should be! Don’t try to change people! You like that better? Great! Moving on! One more thing that’s insulting to creator who worked harder than most to make these games they are trying to make them more entertaining and more modern just try to give people a chance. If I offended you in any way I’m sorry I’m just done with how certain older fans of FE act towards Awakening fans because they must be new or not like nothing but pairings and waifus/husbandos. So I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
It’s fine. I’m rather ignorant. Good you like what you like. Even if I’d forced beliefs on you. Awakening’s rather a good game. But it’s none of that, it’s not the devs. It’s just the fanbase. I mean, I had no problem with the characters until the fandom just became unpleasant. Look to narrow it down. I can agree to that, even if I thought Awakening was merely decent and not as great as the others. I don’t like where the series path is going down. I just hope it gets better, but with these mixed feelings with FE:If and most being on my bad side, I’m kinda losing it. I’m glad the the series isn’t dead, but I am disappointed.
If you don’t know fe is more about the characters more than stratigic gameplay, because there are a lot of other strategy games out there with or with out story.
Not really. Last time I heard, FE was built on Perma-death. I’m not sure if you’re talking about just Awakening. I’ve been doing both since I got my hands on the first Fire Emblem that came out to the west, but everyone apparently to Awakening fans, they had a hard time to even find a personality in a character to exist if they didn’t do a lot of support from FE7 through 12. Even me, but I still know Lute’s ego is –
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I just put the effort in.
Any game can have perm death. Duh dipshit it’s also called losing characters or soldiers, that doesn’t make it less irrelevant. Leave anything else backing up your claim.
Also good to know you only notice one character, but now a days we have the wiki and videos for that. The thing you must know for strategic games is that you must make a casual mode for new comers so that can learn how to play. Ps I’m also talking about fe franchise.
Basically you just don’t like Awakening because of the fandom am I getting this correct? I’m in for the story and mechanics plus from what you said I don’t see how it is any different from the other FE games besides the added features. Please be more elaborate because I’m sure the old FE games had support system and if I remember correctly one of the game had child system. Also, I want to hear how the series can get better from your opinion if there is nothing else they can do I can’t see what the harms in not having the added features.
Correct, but I’ll explain. I don’t like Awakening for many reasons (not for some of the things it gets right), the fandom takes the majority. People saying they’re Fire Emblem fans when they won’t give any older FE’s a chance, nor touch the Classic mode with 15 foot pole is one of them. But I can accept not everyone is going to try.
Another is when Awakening fans are biased and said that FE:A is the best in every way, e.g. I heard a story, someone was making poll questions with things like “Which character in the series best exemplifies the Dark Mage?” It gave a link to the poll site and had comments, full of weather Nergal or some other guy is better, but in the poll, Tharja was winning by a major amount and not a comment justified for her. Then poll was taken down cause it was pointless.
That obsessive ‘waifu’ fandom. I hear it commonly. I do like the anime art styles, and I don’t have a massive thing against the marriage system as it did bring good mechanics as it was used for, but the fandom taking advantage over the whole thing and the game even complete it with characters blushing. I have trust issues in the anime community. The previous game with a marriage system didn’t encourage and pander to the waifu crowd. See?
How the series could get better on my behalf. If I made FE:A, well… FE would probably die. Changing the common harassed things on Awakening would be a start, better story (maybe more darker), not as cliche characters like FE:A (Maybe add better artsyles that makes sense instead of having, the difficulty on Easy could be Casual mode, but Normal and higher would probably force them to play Classic while adding more mechanics the higher the difficulty (Normal: Weapon Durance, Hard: Magic Triangle, Weight, and etc), stronger maps, victory conditions, ability/Pair-Up nerfs and a lot of advertisement?
I know how much IS is formed around the getting newcomers to play while trying to keep the older and serious fans interested. Hence the whole White and Black Kingdom differences, but they can be better ways of warming a Casual player to start playing in Classics. Yet, taking out Weapon Endurance and etc, all I see is another Awakening game. I think about it, and I don’t like being like this biased FE character for all we know, I could be a scrub, but if I can accept that Awakening can save the series, I would at least like people to accept me.
Mate, you okay there?
1. Fire Emblem was ‘C’ grade in Nintendo. The money was difficult to obtain either way. Remember why 12 didn’t sell and IS announced one more for the series. Not my fault since it wasn’t released in the west anyway.
2. If they didn’t care, explain Black Kingdom.
More like testing the waters to see if the hardcore fans are worth the time and effort. If it tanks go forth with the Awakening fandom since it brings in the money and less salt. Despite the advertised hardcore “Nohr” they still have to pander to Awakening fandom and hope it gets numbers close to Hoshido version.
Sorry for the extra comment, but I need to ask: what unpleasantness are you talking about? The only fans I’ve seen behave disgracefully so far has been the veterans who have a problem with the new additions and are busy attacking the newcomers, which is getting a bit ridiculous really. So I am genuinely curious.
I disagree. I’m not really into a lot of the Street Pass, face-touching, waifu stuff either. But from what we’ve seen, a lot of thought has gone into modifying how the class change works, how the skills work, how the weapons work; plus a version dedicated to having more difficult maps and more interesting mission objectives. I do think they are improving things all around.
I guess. And I could be biased, but hearing one side of the Fire Emblem fandom talk about touching face more than the main game in general concerns me on where IS is leaning the franchise.
This will probably come across as salty, though that is not my intention. It needs to be said however:
What else do they have to talk about? The maps they don’t know a thing about? The sparse few classes that have been revealed? The weapon system that has already been talked about and isn’t really something someone can discuss about in depth until they get their hands on the game? The characters are the only thing they can talk about without getting bored.
Players like yourself are all so quick to judge the side of the fandom that are genuinely interested in the characters and their motivations that you will sling any old accusation at them. Yet, if it weren’t for Awakening, the franchise would be gone. Worse, your accusations of the game becoming a ‘waifu simulator’ shows that you have no respect for the creators by degrading and insulting all the effort the creators went to in order to make the characters interesting and relevant in regards to the story instead of making them boring cardboard cutouts whose only purpose is to soak up damage. The extra mechanics are to keep things fresh and interesting.
Those same fans you insult are also generating more interest in the game through their fan art, fan fiction and posts. While the behaviour and comments of players like yourself is likely to drive new players away. So who exactly is hurting the franchise more?
They haven’t skimped on the maps, weapons, classes, etc, so what exactly is the problem here? You seem to be angry that a portion of the fandom is actually enjoying themselves. I find the face petting mechanic funny as hell because it’s not something I would’ve expected and think it was meant just for that-fun. It also means that you can annoy any unit that gets on your nerves as payback. Yes, it is weird, but it’s that same weirdness that will entertain plenty of players.
Essentially what you just said. To add on about the boring cardboard cut outs. Some don’t realize how stale some of these games were. Like the two flops of a DS games where only the main cast actually had a voice in the story. Any other side character was generic or barely talked outside of being recruited (hell, their epilogues were boring too and generic). FE 6 and 7 suffered less from this, but still I found it rather hard to care for some of my units as the game progressed and barely touched them after recruitment (Like the only reason why I kept Batre around was just so I could get Karla). FE 8 kind of softened this by adding the outerworld map, so you would be able to play with all your units even after the game and get their supports in. While I still criticize Awakening’s support system with letting every opposite gender unit support with each other (bar the select few) to the point where things become generic/badly written, Awakening still managed to surpass all previous titles when it came to its character interactions and given you a reason to train and strengthen all of your units. The prude-veterans honestly at this point need to accept Awakening as a game that saved their franchise and just roll with it, or just drop the series all together. Because if they do manage to create another FE down the line, I don’t see it reverting back to the classics like 7.
We can accept it saved the franchise, or maybe completely created a new, “Better Child” (Kill me, I know) but that won’t change us from loving what made Fire Emblem so great. And we have 12 games proved the best of Fire Emblem. Condemn me, I don’t care.
The thing is, it is the best way to get the player to actually care about their units. Give soldiers a personality and screen time and I guarentee the player will expend more effort to keep them alive. It’s an added incentive that works extremely well. How the veterans fail to see this is beyond me.
Then you are wrong about how they didn’t put enough effort into the game mechanics right? I think you should be less clouded about the fans and just play the damn game when it is out then we as a community will accept your opinion because I’m sure IS is definitely trying to attract both old and new FE fans.
As someone who likes his games to last quite a while after the main story is finished (be it in the form of MP, extras, etc.) and likes to immerse in games, this feature is like a Godsend. Sure, the ‘Amie-thing’ is quite silly and somewhat unnecessary (this comes from someone who NEVER used Pokemon Amie back in X/Y or ORAS), but it will be fun to try this time around. I actually can’t wait to 2016 for the american release, kind of makes me want to stop coming to this site to spoil myself.
I am just hoping no matter the support system that there is some beyond implied gayness. I just need like my ability to be gay and two people into men and two into woman.
Yeah, it’s basically why I’m biased. Other reasons like the “cliche characters, boring maps, bad written everything, overpowered units, too easy unless it’s above Hard blah blah”, but that’s been said and done before, but it can be improved. It’s just the fandom.
Are we going to get lookalikes for all the children in Awakening? Because it certainly looks that way now, thanks to Luna and this Inigo-expy. Perhaps these are the “callbacks to Awakening” they referred to?
There is such thing in the game called phantom cards were you can summon all old characters from old fe games so all the fe cast comes back but only as ghosts.
Oh. So it was lazy character design that inspired Luna. That’s just unfortunate. I’m really hoping to find out more about Crimson soon and I really wish they’d go ahead and state how much recruitment crossover there is between the games.
At this stage you shouldn’t really respond to them (if this long thread is any indication). I mean if they’re too lazy to look it up themselves even after a Mod tells them the answer then there’s no point. This is what I would like to call “A base” person, and not the good kind.
If, Luna ends up being a “tsunderish” girl with inferiority complex over her mother, and the ingo look-alike is a “closet dancer”, i’ll agree with you, but so far, it seems Luna is more of the kind that compeeting for recognition of their superiors with it’s peers, so that’s maybe the “callback to awakening” like JohnWaluigui mentioned.
You said character design, personality is included in the character, which lead to my reply, also, while i know that you must set your mind in doing it so this can happen, but you can finish awakening without ever meeting any of the “children” (besids Lucina). Stupid reason to do that, but i have heard worse before.
The design is typically just used for how a character looks or will look.
You can finish a bunch of Fire Emblem games without meeting a bunch of characters, but that doesn’t mean they were placed in sequels just because they could be missed.
Actually in this game you can unlock phantom cards that can be summon from previous titles and they have the same looks and personality but they are still ghosts.
As for Luna she is also voiced by the same jp voice actor that voiced severa so that means it’s a call back for awakening, another dimensions, or it’s running joke until for dlc. Duh
If some one reuses a character and it’s voice actor means a call back from previous games I’ve If I’m correct developers did this before, besides severa is one of the few top characters people voted for in Japan. Duh again dumbass
I don’t really see how this apparent “laziness” is any different from the commonly used and repeated Fire Emblem archetypes and the way they tend to base new lords off of features that made older lords popular.
Like I said they did on purpose, not copy paste. Also you do realize the fire emblem franchise reuses the same roles right dancer and lord blue hair right?
Do you even understand what saying or are you going to deny and repeat the same thing? Because I have to say copy paste my comment as a counter argument is pretty lazy especially of a guy who can’t check for him Self.
First off “not” And second I don’t care about it , I just want to let you know your argument is wrong. Also it’s fanservice , now what else do you have in store for your counter argument? 🙂
It’s wrong because you misunderstood the reason of it and called out lazy too easily. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat and copy?
See you did it again, it’s not lazy because when there’s a good reason for it. Like I said for you missunderstood the reason behind, besides you’ve seen all other characters they created so it’s pretty much ok say they know what they’re doing isn’t lazy. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat the same thing with out any understanding?
Actually it is a good reason when you’re doing it for fans, besides like said before there is a magority of character that are acuatally different characters in the game so that it’s not a lazy idea and that’s the key meaning of what you’re not getting kid.
Elaborate. Explain the difference between having a character similar to Severa and having any of these:
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype
A lot of the characters have strikingly similar designs to others of their archetype, especially Cain and Abel pairs, but you’re not complaining about them. You know what else? If isn’t out yet. You know next to nothing about how this character will develop in the story. Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.
I’d like to see you present an argument beyond “they ‘reused’ this character and I don’t like that even though they’ve ‘reused’ characters before and I’ve been fine with that”, simply because you say the archetypes are just using “a base” even though they aren’t necessarily much less similar too each other than Luna is to Severa, and you aren’t even in a position to say Severa is Luna considering you haven’t read a single support conversation featuring Luna.
Please, be consistent. I can’t stand hypocrites.
When have I said that I was okay with them reusing characters before when they did it in previous games? Go ahead, I’ll wait.
The archetype page you listed was more about how characters class and growth rates are similar, not how the characters behave the same way, which they typically do not, and is something I never said they do. The characters’ designs are all visually distinguishable from one another unlike the Severa and Luna case who could be twins.
“Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and
having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.”
No, but it’s still lazy as hell to design a character that way. Anyway going back to what I originally said about all of this before you all started freaking out because someone doesn’t like something:
“Their design is what I called lazy, not their personality.”
Although you didn’t say you didn’t have a problem, you . . . are a Fire Emblem fan, and the archetypes are a pretty major part of the series. Saying that you think archetypes are too lazy is kind of like saying you think permanent deaths are too difficult or neon-colored hair is too unrealistic or that Anna shouldn’t appear anymore. I was under the impression that Fire Emblem fans generally like the things that make Fire Emblem Fire Emblem.
Additionally, many archetypes do have similar personalities and characterization. The Cain and Abel are made up of one hot-blooded and one even-tempered member, without fail. Camus is always an anti-villain reluctant to fight against the player but tragically has to be defeated anyway. The main lord tends to be a rather naive and innocent young royal, who matures some after the death of the Cornelius forces him (or occasionally her) to toughen up. The Nabarl is often pretty aloof if not outright antisocial and has some sort of complications involving romance in their past. The Michalis is defined by their ambitious nature and willingness to do anything for power. The Minerva is kind and polite, but often struggles with doing the right thing because she’s fighting against her own country/family. The Hardin is a noble person who ends up making a tragic face heel turn and has to be defeated by former friends.
I did not just list stats and growth rates. I listed traits of characterization.
If all you’re complaining about is the fact that the characters look similar, then I honestly don’t know why you felt it necessary to mention. A character’s depth is a lot more important than their sprite, and frankly, I can tell them apart effortlessly. Making a character look similar is a visual shorthand for saying “look, this is going to be a similar character”, which is why they have one red and one green cavalier with opposing personalities, why they gave Ike Hector’s hair, why they gave this character Severa’s frown and red pigtails, and why I can’t tell right away if I’m looking at a sprite of Roy or his father Eliwood. Making characters look like other characters is a useful writing tool, or trope, which you can read all about here:
They were well aware of the connotations of having a character that looked like and had the same voice actor as Severa, and they made the conscious decision to do it anyway. That’s not laziness. It required some thought and some research. These artists know what they’re doing; you don’t. Have a little faith in Intelligent Systems, please.
Also, I’m not “freaking out” because you “don’t like something”. I’m quite calm right now. I’m writing long replies because . . . that’s how I think, and that’s how I like to talk, and because you can’t interrupt me; I’m taking advantage of the fact that we’re communicating online and giving you all the evidence I can. As for why I’m replying in the first place . . . I really feel strongly about unfairness and I really respect Intelligent Systems and the development team, and you called them lazy when they’ve been working so hard to please the most unpleasable fanbase I’ve ever witnessed. It’s okay for you to not like something, but you’ve insulted these people and your viewpoint isn’t really standing on anything. That’s really mean. A lot of people in this fanbase seem to be pretty mean, unfortunately . . .
It’s not when it’s done on purpose, wow so you’re going to play denial and ignorant? You’re really not that smart aren’t you, because not knowing the difference between lazy and on purpose really shows that you’re going to be easy and fun to play with.
That doesn’t count as lazy, see that what I’m taking about denial. They did because she was a voted popular character, in other words a call back for fans of her. Do you have anything better to reply with?
Yes because you know much from the mind of a developer, japan, and the meaning of lazy. Have anything else to back you up on this instead of saying it? XD
Well, Severa was considered 7th best female on the character poll’s official site. But I do think Inigo was 6th best male, so that could be the reason why for the Inigo-alike. Doesn’t make sense since Owain hit 2nd best male. So why an Inigo’s look alike was chosen and not Owain could be laziness, or the fact that Owain is so good, you can’t replace/copy that. We can’t be entirely sure until an FE14 interview. Please stop bashing each other. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
It just occurred to me to ask, but will Fire Emblem If be compatible with the current 3DS XL? I really don’t want to have to buy the ‘new’ 3DS XL if I can avoid it.
Also, I am wondering about the inclusion of the Awakening kids in the campaign. Was Severa really that popular to be included in this as a ‘new character’? Because it didn’t seem that way to me. I also happen to dislike her so my bias may be colouring my perception, but I don’t recall many people calling her anything but bratty. Inigo I can understand, but Severa? (I swear to effin’ God if this touchpad autocorrects Inigo to Indigo one more time-) was Severa popular overseas?
I mean I actually liked Severa but to answer your question she, BEHIND Lucina, was voted as the best second generation female character in the Japanese polls. I cant really say im mad that there basically putting her back in as a new character but i also don’t think its nessecary to have her and this “Inigo” like guy in the game.
Since the box doesn’t says “New Nintendo 3DS” like the Xenoblade one , i guess the will be compatible with any 3DS.
Here are the results of the popularity contest in japan http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
I was reluctant to acceptem, but it seem (at least with Luna so far) that they will have different personalities, i guess they are fine to bring them again, since i didn’t recruit all of the children in Awakening… but i’ll be sad if Kjelle is a femnazi again.
Firstly, I will say that all of the reveals for these characters are great. I’m hoping we see some more laguz/bestial unit types(varying genders, please).
Additionally, for the clone-crying argument, Severa has a few things going for her in terms of her appearance in this game; different world/universe or not.
Dimensional gates/time travel -are- a thing. How else would the children have gotten to Awakening’s timeline?
There were an overwhelming amount of complaints with regard to not being able to get her with red hair like her mother’s, too. Granted that’s a ridiculous reason to put her in If, but still. Like any other Fire Emblem game… You don’t even have to use her, or talk to her.
Either way, she’s just one character out of an entire cast (many of which I adore, design-wise, on both paths). I didn’t love her in Awakening, but I didn’t hate her either. I will say that I could relate to her on account of the “pressure of living under a parent’s shadow” backstory hook.
Gonna be honest here… not too happy with the personalities for another three characters being essentially the same as children characters from Awakening. At least if Pieri isn’t a total wimp outside of her violent episodes, I guess that could work, but it’s not really indicative of hard work on IS’s part. I mean, Awakening only came out a few years ago… at least use a game that’s older or be more subtle about it.
Still can’t wait for the game to come out otherwise, though.
I guess that’s fair. I usually keep in mind that Intelligent Systems and Nintendo primarily produce for a Japanese audience, so they’ll mostly if not entirely cater to those demands. For me personally, there’s not really any added value, but I’ll see how they end up. *shrug* Like I said, I’m still getting the game. I’m still excited, just not equally excited for all characters and aspects. I think that’s reasonable.
I doubt this is anything smart I bet the designer just sucks at his job. I can’t believe they only thought of this guy when honestly awakening didn’t have the best character design. I’m a massive awakening fan too, I’d say it’s my fav game in the series but character design wasn’t perfect for sure.
What a character designer draws is based on specific instructions from their directors – the character’s personality and a general idea what they may look like. They then draw drafts and submit them for feedback. If the drawings are approved, they are used in the game. These designs are as planned and deliberate as Marx and Ryouma’s designs. There is a reason they look the way they do.
I wouldn’t doubt that, that makes sense. Since white version is obviously the version awakening fans should be buying they need a hook to get them to spend money on the same game.
Lol, I love the characters but do we really need clones of them. Hell could have just thrown them in as spot pass or DLC characters. It just shows how they are likely saving money on their budget by reusing models from awakening.
Using Spot Pass would save money on their budget. Drawing a redesign to have them as Nohr characters costs money. Writing entirely new support conversations to flesh them out as characters in this game costs money. The developers put time, effort and money into inserting these characters special into FE:if, and they did it for the fans who adore these characters.
Not really since Odin a dark mage plus the face and foot model looks better in IF compare to Awakening so you can’t say they use the same model. Plus I think they got some sort of reason for having these clones that may be plot relevant. Also, the clones you mention are from Nohr side I don’t know if you can recruit them in Hoshido but yea.
PS. Saving money by reusing model sounds good but I think the DLC would solve that problem already with having to buy either or both FE IF gams.
People have already explained why the idea that it was not on purpose makes no sense but the character descriptions should tell you that it was deliberate anyway – they basically describe Inigo and Owain to a T. This was done deliberately, not accidentally or because someone is too lazy to design new characters. Whether you like that or not is another thing but this wasn’t a coincidence.
I bet you 3rd path DLC is in the code too because this game was obviously early on in development just intended to be massive but then someone said “make that money split it up. “
Yah they are, no new animations or new models outside of cut scenes. It’s all in the code of the game, on the enemy lines and all that. I’m still holding onto hope that in the west like the special edition they will just put everything onto one cart.
Welp, I finally am starting to warm up to this game. As a decade+ long fan of series, all I had to do was drop my expectations for this game to absolute zero. I’m not really excited for it nor do I think it’ll be as great as pre-Shadow Dragon games were as a Fire Emblem game. But as a mobile-generation-friendly game, it’ll be a cute game to play satisfy the anime nerd in me.
“When equipped with a forged weapon whose name is written with 8 kanji, critical rate +10.” interesting… does this mean any random kanji characters will do? and i wonder how will this translate to the international versions….
IMO it would have been amusing if they all had polar opposite personalities as the children they’re based off of. If they told Yusuke to do this then it’s not his fault. But if this was all Yusuke’s idea then they should have gotten someone else to do the designs (or at least someone to oversee him) So I won’t give him any flack until I know what’s going on (though things usually point to the former than the latter, as in they tell Yusuke what to do. Because seriously, designers don’t just run out of character ideas. If that’s the case then they draw ideas from other characters that aren’t from their work, they don’t just reuse their own designs unless they’re made to…or they’re like the vast population of Deviantart (or they’re just completely full of themselves and just lazy beyond belief….and I doubt Yusuke goes into that category)
So I originally gave you this long ass response but then I realized….you’re an anon. You didn’t even set up your account….so yeah, you don’t even care enough to get notifications about this to respond back (unless I’m confusing it with guest accounts). I really don’t need to explain myself to you. If you’re dumb enough to think I was gloating with my previous statement, you are horribly wrong.
finally… another update lol, i waited about 4 days, which is about 96 hours, which is about 5760 minutes, which is about 345600 seconds… lol. But man, the capture thing is pretty cool.
Well, Pieri doesn’t look like a direct clone like Luna and the others, and FE is no stranger to characters having overlapping quirks. We’ve seen countless different characters who are all flirts (Sain, Virion, Gatrie) and characters who are young but don’t want to be babied (Rolf, Ricken, Tsukuyomi). Split personality could be a rising new archetype.
That’s true as well. I had actually not looked at the picture of Pieri prior to my previous comment, and I assumed that Lazwald was the only one of the three to have an actual picture.
These Awakenibg lookalikes look interesting,but most people are gonna complain at the sight if anything similar to Awakening,too bad most FE fans are whiners who hate progress and anything new! Anyway, I’m loving these character designs! I think Kozaki is FE at this point! He’s the best artist they’ve ever had!
I’m just worried because (like Awakening before it) with these lookalikes and amiibos, all I’m going to be concerned about is getting the previous games’ characters…. which kind of sucks for the new story.
That capture function is freaking awesome. My dungeon will be overfull!! ^_^
Owain was my favorite character in FEA but it was his uniqueness that made half his awesome… now he gets a ^%@#%* clone.
Of course, if it really turns out that the three are actually the same three from FEA, modestly reclassed with the help of some Second Seals and also after a jaunt through the Outrealm Gate, ala Camus/Zeke/Sirius, then I’d be all for it (not entirely happy because that’s still lazy writing to keep the “public” “happy” but still better than making up a soulless clone)…
…And thus, another FanFiction is born! Also, some head-canon but that goes without saying. Hey, we all need intricate ways to stomach the post-shark-jump games. 😉
I’d just like to point out the fact that at the end of Awakening, if Severa, Owain, and Inigo are NOT married, they ALL set off on their own journies. They no longer stay in Ylisse/Altea. So, it is quite possible that their journies all led to the same place and they all ended up working for Nohr. Maybe they’ll have support conversations together that hint at them knowing each other.
Or it’s just a way to get the newer players to buy the Nohr side, because newcomers to a franchise tend to gravitate towards game where they see familiarity. Either way, I’m a little miffed that they’re doing this, but I doubt it’ll affect the gameplay or story that much.
Also, why is everyone comparing Pieri to Noire. In her screenshot, she seems to be quite a cheerful person. It might be that on the battlefield, she becomes downright murderous. Not insane, note the wording. It’s “violent.” Which means that she could be the type that snaps into a “drill sergeant” sort of person on the field, and downright obliterates enemies.
Hopefully I’m remembering this correctly, but in one of the earlier interviews it was said that If is in another setting entirely/not the same world as Awakening. If we are talking coincidence it may just be an AU, but it isn’t the same world. I’ll see if I can find the link again and post back. May take a while as my laptop is getting its hard drive replaced, so I will try to find it manually.
Different worlds are moot point since the Outrealm Gates exists. In fact I’m almost certain these three are just the beta timeline kids who went adventuring through the Gate after Awakening.
What if they’re the kids from the main timeline and because they knew what the names of their kids was going to be from Lucina’s timeline they decided to name them something else?
I don’t know if this is an SMT thing, but in the new screenshot the clouds in the sky are being held up by ropes/cables/etc. Maybe it’s a play since we know that school is involved…
Come on. At least Pieri’s a unique character. Why are people trying to peg her as something else?
I’m definitely miffed at the 3 clones we’ve got; looks like 3 Uriah gambits, now.
lol i get the whole argument of “Their not original,” and blah blah but can someone explain to me how this is lazy character designing… honestly we don’t know the reasons for why they were put in the game… it could’ve been just to pay homage to the top ranked kids from Awakening. How does that make you lazy? Like everyone is complaining over 3 characters and we have yet to see how they even play out in regards to the plot…
So out of all of this there’s only one thing I care about….Odin has a pretty good bod for a Dark Mage and he wears an open-chest shirt. At this point I hope his official art has him wearing those spandex legging things for dem leg muscles.
Hello. I apologize if someone already brought this up, and I missed it. Just the three of the four main characters have a color in their names, correct? Does anybody else think the color is correlated to the Four Mythic Beasts in mythology? You know: Red Phoenix, Blue Dragon, White Tiger, Black Turtle? Maybe. Or maybe it’s just me. Thank you.
I SERIOUSLY need to stop spoiling myself. Can’t wait to 2016, hopefully the american version is both campaings in 1 cartridge, but my hopes are slowly falling to the shadow realm…
I’m going to be too busy petting the wolf-guy (he dresses pretty snazzy if that image is any indication) than doing other stuff quite honestly. I am curious about that puppeteer class though with what weapons they use.
Well, I like the fact they’re going all out with the minerals. My my FE, you’ve grown up exceptionally well since when I first played you years ago….wait. I guess I can’t say that because apparently to a certain someone I’m being conceited.
Man. This seems so much different from any other FE game. More like a regular RPG. Not that it’s a bad thing. The main battles are still FE, and the Castle adds a whole new level of awesome. Makes the game different and more fun.
I wonder if instead of talking to named enemies in battle to get them to join your side, as in previous games, maybe you have to capture them? I suppose it’s more a throwback to FE5 than it is a new broadening of detail. It does make way more sense than “Hey, you look mopey. Why don’t you join our side? We have cookies. ^_^ “
i knew all that already but ty anyway ^^ i think i just hoped for new ones like the blue haired maid xD or the ones in the trailer that we dont know about
After watching the video.. Skills are locked to classes but.. Going off assumption; Galeforce was locked down to the Pegasus Knight class tree, and from what we’ve seen, Nohr doesn’t have any. would this mean that Nohr Players will not have access to galeforce?
Perhaps the reference to the stars is something that will be explored more in the dlc story, as no matter where we live or who we fight for: we all see the same stars?
I was going to buy the face-plates, and had plans to ever since the announcement.
Just realized they aren’t for the XL, and the XL is the only one available to me, and the foreign systems have region lock.
Damn it.
I’m glad to see they’ve implemented the internet to visit other players and castles. Otherwise myself and many others who are not so lucky with the streetpass function would be up shit creek without a paddle. ☺️
This is going to be one hell of a long game and I’m looking forward to its release on this side.
So… Nintendo/Sakurai says that they won’t include Chrom because he will be too similar to the already existing FE characters (i. e. Marth and Ike), then they bring back the OG Marth clone. *claps slowly*
I’m not too excited for Roy to be honest, but hopefully they’ll change his moveset entirely. And now that I think about it, MAYBE Chrom might have an appearence as an alt costume for Roy, who knows.
The data in the patch included all of the alt costumes and the B special moves. All of Roy’s costumes are palette swaps and all of his specials are the same as Melee. Just like mewtwo, he isn’t any different. I just hope he has a unique final smash and not the same critical hit as Marth and Lucina.
Oh, that was leaked too? Welp, poor Chrom, maybe next century. Even the specials are the same? Man… hopefully, as you said, he has another Final Smash.
Just saw his Final Smash trophy was leaked too. It has the same health bar as the Critical Hit, but instead of a straightforward lunge it looks more like a big arcing hit.
Yeah, I realised after posting that that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I still think Troy Baker’s in though, as Ryouma or Marx – I thought it was the latter but now I’m hearing Roger Craig Smith, which is strange since he hasn’t done any Japanese games before this to the best of my memory.
(can’t get used to ‘Xander’, too. Why didn’t they make him Marcus or Max or idk…why Xander)
Nope, at first I thought it was Marx but there’s a moment with Ryouma (1:02) and his voice really sounds like Matt Mercer… Though on the other hand, there are two quotes when Ryouma and Marx are shown: “once and for all” one and “no more kings to the death”(? I’m not a native speaker so I’m not sure I didn’t mishear this part).
The first one sounds like something Marx would say, and it’s Mercer’s voice. Ryouma says the other part most likely referring to his late father (the guy killed in trailer ofc). BUT THEN I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH VOICE IS ACTUALLY HIS BECAUSE LATER AT 1:02 RYOUMA SCREAMS AND THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MATT MERCER.
So I’m not that sure anymore.
Yeah, I noticed just after posting this that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I can hear Troy Baker in Ryouma though. I thought he was Marx but now he sounds to me like Roger Craig Smith – strange because he hasn’t done anything Japanese in my memory before.
Don’t speak too soon. They didn’t reveal that there would be two versions initially in Japan, so they’ll probably do it the same way for the WW release.
I’m just saying this is the 3rd trailer they didn’t show it for in the west. This seems like the trailer to do it and explain it to consumers. They still could but I think we’ll find out more in the tree house or in a press release this week.
It does look fun! Thankfully, I’ve not been paying enough attention to new things in Japan to get sick of the idol thing, and I think it could be pretty neat. Not sure what it’ll be like, but given the people involved, hopefully it’s not gimmicky and actually makes things better.
You basically pop the old SD card into your laptop, then copy everything onto the laptop, take out the old SD card, put in the new one and transfer it on. This should help if you are stuck, I got my 25GB SD card working immediately and hasn’t done me any wrong.
outstanding analysis! u pointed out a lot of things i didnt even think of!! now i want the games more than ever…! play them till my brain burns! one thing i noticed, the lake Aqua seems to be in is Hoshidan territory…looking at the trees, its the kind u see in Japan oriented places
Cue the people complaining about it still being split. It honestly doesn’t matter, even if it was sold as 1 game you would still have to pay to play the other path so the only thing that your ”missing out on” is choosing what side you want to be on in-game, unless you get it digitally.
I swear I have to freaking edit this to make my stance clearer:
I know, its like they just totally overlook that fact. If somehow it was put all on one cartridge, the price would still be around the same in purchasing both games (as in one physical copy + the downloaded version…..GOD!!), compared to buying “Wanted One” (with all that content being jammed on there). So as you said, along with its unfathomable that people want Fate to not only be cheap, but also having 2 (3 if you count the third path tba) completely different games on one….for the price of one, rather than settling for 3 games for the price of 2. Not that anyone is required to actually play through more than the copy they bought.
Again, I’d really love to see how one version would cost the same as both versions. I could see it costing more, but you’ll have to explain instead of just pulling nonsense out of thin air.
No one is pulling nonsense dude. If it was being sold as 1 copy where you make the choice in game, you would still have to buy the other path if you wanted to play the other side. There’s no way Nintendo would condense it into 1 game for like 60 or so dollars where you can choose both paths in that single game. But there is literally no point in arguing about it since it’s already confirmed to be sold the same way in the west as Japan.
I’ve been reading about this since yesterday, and I’m tired of this. Let Nintendo do whatever they pleases, it’s obious that the player is the last of their worries. And I’m sorry if someone thinks that I’m an intruder, since I’m not even part of this comunity.
I’m from latinamerica, I started playing Fire emblem with the ones on the GBA, I liked them a lot more than tactics ogre or FF tactics, the mechanics, the characters, the story. And I can’t really argue with people who has played the ones that only were released in Japan, since I haven’t played those, and I’ve played only the ones that came here.
I know Nintendo and Intelligent Systems must have put everything they got, to get the FE franchise out of the frier, since Awakening was supposed to be the last and all that. but it seems to me that because of the outcry for the split, this might actually turn into dust everything they acomplished with Awakening, and fates would probably be the last FE, they make, or they could even stop localizing it in the west.
Now as for me, I won’t buy it, and not because I would rather see FE cancelled forever before it gets too casual, or because the waifus, or I didn’t liked the my castle feature, or something like that. I think that everything that serves to save it from oblivion is welcomed, if a guy, or a girl want to play casual, or phoenix, we’re nobody to tell them how to play, that’s stupid, if it helps to save the franchise, and the developers handle these new perks and features well, I think those changes are welcomed.
But, as I said before, I’m from latinamerica, and Nintendo of America, forgets about us all the time. In my country, one single 3DS game can cost 80 – 90 USD, this are going to be two separate games, okay, fine, “if you buy one phisical, you can download the other one for 15 usd”. Sorry but no, on my country that other path is going to be at least 40 USD, (if not 50). And then there is the third route, let’s suppose that there goes another 40 dollars. This game(s) is already more expensive than a home console game from any company. And what if in your country you don’t have access to the e-shop, then if you want these games, your only choice is gettin them phisical, and the discount? who cares? Not to Nintendo obiously, not to mention that in those places there won’t be a way to play the thrid route.
Why am I sying this, because it’s the truth, the game looks fantastic, but if I support this practice, they might turn this into the standard practice for future FE games, and our region is not getting more prosperous exactly. What would be a good way to solve this, at an international level, I don’t know. For me it will be to skip this one and wait for the next, if there is a next after fates.
I should have scrolled down before I posted further up as most of the foreseeable problems are things you mentioned, the price point issue in other countries in even greater detail (I had honestly forgotten that the Eshop isn’t supported in some countries). Sorry to hear games cost that much for you, here I am whining about paying 10 dollars more in Canada.
Sorry for the faulty grammar, I’m still learning english. I agree with you too, Nintendo is really making a leap of faith with this game. This move, the split, if it’s executed wrong, it can kill this franchise for us, and even though I would really like to defend the game, Nintendo makes things really hard for us, their fans, I simply hope for the best with this game.
I would explain, but a lot of it is common sense by looking back at how previous games were handled along with the information we have of “2 main routes and 1 DLC routes, each “supposedly” the length of Awakening” So three full fledged FE-length games being the price of one…..Nintendo isn’t gaining any profit from that with the amount of time they spent on all three routes (especially with the extra content AKA My Castle they added). Its the option fans want, but face it, Nintendo, like any company, looks out for themselves in ways to make themselves money.
Ah screw it, I’m going to just state myself, these are the variables:
If Fate is being sold for $40
“All three routes have just the same amount of content as Awakening”
-Awakening had 25 main-route chapters (I swear to god the only thing that turn me away from fate is if either side’s chapter count isn’t greater-than-or-equal to 25) and was sold for $40
Fate = Awakening in content
The first 6 chapters are the same in Hoshido and Nohr
19 entire chapters that are different from one-another (with their own individual cut-scenes and everything. Different maps, characters, etc.)
In retrospect, without a discount, the opposite route should be $30.4 if the first 6 chapters are excluded as they’re the exact same as its counterpart.
So full price of the two games (statistically) would be $70.4 (if we treated this as an equation and things were divided evenly).
But a copy of White & DLC Black visa-versa actually costs $60 (40+20 which is the discounted price).
Final Verdict:
Getting both games is around $10 cheaper than it was supposed to be. If you get all three, keeping the equation going. Actual retail value is $100.8, but its being sold for $20. So its $80 if you want to buy all three routes ($20 cheaper than its actual value). So yes…..let Nintendo put something that should be sold at $100 retail value all on one single ds card and sell it at a price that doesn’t reflect its actual cost *heavy sarcasm*
This is why content-wise, having to pay 60 for 2 or 80 for 3 versions of the game is better than paying the above. Anything cheaper is a slap in the face to Nintendo and its like they shouldn’t get back money that represents the time they spent on this game.
lol I didn’t notice that. I’ve been jumping back-and-forth between Yugioh and Fire Emblem all day I got the two messed up. Thanks for that because I honestly would have kept on saying it ^_^
Thank you. I’m just so tired of people bitching about ”how it ruins their experience since they make the choice before they play the game” or ”how 15$ is way too expensive” even thought it’s been stated multiple times that each side is practically it’s own game with enough content to warrant the price. I can’t tell if people are being greedy, or they just don’t like how Nintendo is selling this, but from the standpoint from the consumer and the business; the price and the way it’s being sold is perfectly fine, even if say 10$ would be the price everyone wants.
-Charade making the choice between both factions as a major selling point of the game.
-Remove making the choice at all from the game by locking the player into a path in two separate games.
-Choice now made in stores instead of in game.
Theif is now a bow using unit, swordmaster is back with the name trueblade, and assassin appears to be gone, although hopefully the jonin functions like an assassin.
Aqua is singing: You are the ocean’s great waves, destined to see life beyond the shore, just out of reach, yet the waters ever change, flowing like time, the waters, yours to try.
Not as sure about that last part since it is hard to hear over the arrows.
These most likely arent all the classes, as i counted 54, 55 if Dark Prince and Dark Princess are counted separately, plus 56 with Aqua. Assuming Aqua promotes, that makes it 57. If Mikoto and Garon have unique classes too, then its 59. The June trailer said over 60, so unless that includes enemy-only units, then there must be a couple more we havent seen yet.
These look amazing. It makes me excited to see the class sketches in the art book for this game – I loved them in Awakening’s book, I bet this book’s sketches will be awesome too.
im honestly not to impressed with the american dub haha on the brightside though at least i was correct in assuming Ryoma was gonna be played by matthew mercer ;p
I feel Bow is just useless now. What’s the point of using a Bow on a Flying unit if it has a tome or sword and the Weapon triangle reduces Bows accuracy and other stats.
True but you’ll still likely miss a Swrd FalcoKnight, but most fliers now are more prone to Magic weakness. Wyverns can still survive a hard Bow shot and retaliate with a Javelin just a bit less. Revenant Knight is a Wyvern rider with an Axe or Tome, making either it either miss and retaliate hard or below average on this class. Most of the best lance units like Knights, Generals, Paladins etc. But their all high Def units. Only the Pegasus Warriors will have trouble, but Butler, Ninja’s and other couple of hidden Weapon users I bet will use Swords, thus beating Bows… again.
I’m thinking about this a little to deep.
hmmm so setsuna is not the blue maid okey im starting to think blue maid is actualy not important or it is important but a character like philia in awakening lolz
I think because most of the updates are in Hoshido [e.g. there are more new classes in Hoshido and the cultural stuff revolves more in Hoshido].
[whisper: andAqua’salwaysinwhiteinthetrailersahaha]
Most of the characters that were shown are either Hoshido only or appear in both versions so maybe it’s less don’t care about and more appealing to what’s more popular with japanese audience which is Hoshido (Obviously).
Good god! I’m not sure if Asama’s hair is supposed to be the equivalent of a fro. Either ways, his bio makes him sort of hippie’ish so I guess the hair goes with the personality.
Man. This almost doesn’t seem like a FE game. 8D In a good way. Some people that have been long time fans may not like the change, but I’m interested in what this means for the franchise. FE has always (well, except for a certain Ike) had royalty at it’s center point, with the avatar playing as either a background character, or not being present at all. FE:A started to tip the balance with Robin being a major plotpoint, but still have Chrom and the others as the ‘main’ characters. In this game, you play both parts. Main character, avatar, and who knows what they’re going to do for tactician. XP
Aqua is a singer ! She can sing (well duh !) for the other units so they can fight twice and she also uses a spear ! It’s similar to Olivia’s class in awakening.
Let me start this with i’m fine with two versions on a personal level because the content appears to be there.
They are really screwing up here because they aren’t outright saying that they are two separate versions you buy at retail. The trailer, the thing that will have been viewed by the very most amount of people did not show two versions. They are selling these two games as one game in marketing and it isn’t the case according to themselves. By sending very mixed messages about choice when there isn’t a choice for retail buyers.
Also I want to address 15 dollars not “being a lot of money” that’s your value judgment if you believe that. 15 dollars ontop of 50 dolalrs for some is a lot of money. Then add 3rd path DLC, a new 3DS so you can access amiibo, scalping costs for each amiibo, the DLC that currently is only inside of 10 dollar structure decks and this game gets really expensive really fast.
Cool to hear about supports coming back. I guess the other question I have now is whether or not the marriage feature is coming back. (I guess there’s no children this time around.)
Nintendo is extremely vague with their wording. It simply says “early-purchase bonus”, which I assume is a type of “first-print bonus”. Here’s the original tweet (in Japanese).
Thanks for the reply and for garon and mikoto I think that theres a chance that they can be recurited somehow through paralogues like awakening. I’m just guessing, but you were able to recruit emmryn in awakening through this so maybe something of this sort?
Maybe it’s an end-game feature. In Awakening, all the additional paralogues with characters like Emmeryn, Priam, Aversa, etc were accessible only before you went on to beat the final boss/after you finish the game.
Still wondering what the deal is with Garon. He kidnapped the baby Avatar, isolates and threatens them with fire…yet apparently he can join either side?
I’m a touch confused on the “biggest Fire Emblem game” business. Haven’t there been several games in the series with more than 28 chapters? Not that chapter count is necessarily an accurate barometer (Holy War). But we’ve known each version is supposed to be roughly as big as Awakening, so it’s unlikely to be an issue either way.
They meant when the two campaigns are combined. Of those 28 chapters, 6 are shared, so the total unique chapter count is 22 + 22 = 44. So… hey, that’s less chapters than Radiant Dawn. Oh, but there are probably sidequests too. Even just the usual 10 will bump it over Radiant Dawn.
We know we have babies based on males now so we likely will get a side quest for every male characters baby + avatars baby if female (I assume she will be special like male robin was and chrom). We may also see another character be special like how chrom was so yah we will have tons of side stuff too.
However, we don’t know for sure that it’s 28 chapters, they are saying as long as awakening but they are like putting that on the back of the box, they could easily be stretching the truth.
Well to be fair, the Nohrian siblings aren’t biologically related to the Avatar tho so it’s not out of the question… unlike Hoshidan siblings I guess, lol
Wouldn’t the children existing in an alternate reality be like Awakening’s time travel? You know, Outrealm stuff. But we saw Aqua and Kamui entering portals in the introduction video, so it’s the most likely theory.
By the way the way kanna say it in the magazine, she saids it like she was training all these years more then coming from a another world. Ok who said that when coming from another world anyway because the last time I checked that’s fucking odd.
Mehh….even though they go hand-in-hand I’m moreover happy about the children just for the fact that we get more characters. Looks like I’m just going to keep on doing that male skinship thing instead/ find the most open female out there to marry. In Awakening the only reason I went with Anna was because she seems to be the type who wouldn’t care if Male MU ended up with a guy if she could just sell the photos.
Man these games really are gonna be as long as Awakening, huh? Well let’s see…I have over 500 hours on Awakening spread across four game files, and this entry is gonna be three games long spanning Nohr, Hoshido, and the third route, and if I play a minimum of three files per game, then that means……….I’m boned.
And my immediate first thought in how they tie this together was the first Fullmetal Alchemist series. I won’t get into too many spoilers on that, but I don’t think the answer is gonna be time travel.
Ikr, if anything Camilla seemed like a shoe-in for some yuri….or bisexual antics.
If anything there better be more platonic same-sex supports/ don’t have every female able to support with all the guys (just to make their supports more unique compared to Awakening when you just knew that some guys and girls would never work out with each other, despite having the option to)
It’s their characters, their story, and their game. So of course, they’re going to do what they want. And unless they had a team full of homo people, I doubt they’d ever be interested in including such relationships.
Not sure why anyone would get their hopes up about such a thing in the first place. -_-‘
And their characters and their stories have always been rife with homosexuality, even in the most recent game.
You don’t need to have a “team full of homo people” to understand that homosexual and bisexual people exist, and even then, considering the usual homosexuality rates and the size of the team working on this game, it’s more than safe to assume that more than a handful of them are not heterosexual.
Many fans (not just bi/homosexual fans, mind you) were very vocally upset about the lack of same-sex marriage options in recent titles like Awakening and Tomodachi Life, and Nintendo even responded by saying that they didn’t recognize how important it was to their fans and that they would keep it in mind for future games.
You don’t need to be homosexual or bisexual to understand or support such relationships, especially for a game developed in Japan where recent trends of yuri in media are usually met with high popularity and approval.
But no, forgive me for getting my hopes up that a character like Camilla (who has on multiple occasions been stressed to be hopelessly obsessed with Kamui) could marry female Kamui. Especially considering that Velka’s profile suggests that Camilla is AT LEAST bi.
Approximately two percent of the general population is gay/bisexual. It’s a miniscule cross section.
I’m left handed and often had to use right handed desks in high school because there aren’t nearly as many southpaws. And the percentage of left handers is far higher than the percentage of lgbt individuals.
Being inconvenienced by membership in a minority group is part of life. It’s unfortunate but understandable. Gotta learn to suck it up.
2% is a really conservative estimate, many studies go up to 5% or higher. In more modernized areas, especially large cities and areas where religion isn’t prominent, the estimates can get as high as 15%, and keep in mind this isn’t counting people who don’t want to admit it on record.
Don’t compare the hand you write with to the gender you’re attracted to, the difference there is massive.
Not in this context. In this context there is no difference, because in this context I’m simply demonstrating that the needs and wants of smaller groups can’t always be adequately met. If you and your brother want to go to Applebees but everyone else in the family wants to eat at the Olive Garden, you’re probably gonna have to go to the olive garden. The needs and wants of the many outweigh those of the few.
Also, local population statistics of cities are irrelevant, although the two percent might have been a bit conservative. I’ve seen some report as high as four and even five as you suggested, but that doesn’t change the fact that the number is incredibly small
Now, I feel so damn pathetic, but I wonder if the amiibo version of FE characters are going to have support convos with you (like spotpass unlockable characters in Awakening) cuz you know… these news.
while im fine with 2 versions, why are they marketing it as one game? sometimes they say you choose DURING the game, but you kinda choose before you even get the game… and the trailer is marketing it as 1 game… yet, its going to be 2 games?… the japan trailers atleast market it as 2 versions, but why are the american trailers marketing it as 1?
From the information flying around the internet, the decision of different routes during the game is for the Japanese version (I could be wrong) where they have 4 versions of the game ( Hoshido, Nohr and a copy with both version for a price of 2 games and the digital version).
I re-watched the choose your path trailer and information stated within the direct, it’s definitely heavily implied that the game is a singular entity, it even goes as far to say that Hoshido is more traditional to the series described as “more accessible” (easier), and that Nohr is more “complex” with “difficulty that is more challenging”. As to why I feel this to be significant is that they’re marketing the two stories essentially as additional difficulty settings for the game which if this falls through as two versions we will have been misled with false advertisement, something that people in a country like America love to bury businesses over; it seems like it’s treading close to bait for a class action lawsuit, something Intelligent Systems really doesn’t need at the moment (I get it may sound far fetched and dramatic, but companies have been sued over lesser issues by ‘Muricans).
It’s still at the point where they can measure fan reaction and make changes, but this is Nintendo; at the end of the day they will do whatever they want.
I personally don’t care as long as the dual version is as common as the single copies, if not more common.
Mhh okay if they put the marriage system back in since so many people enjoyed it, but the children as well? Would have liked it more if it was an awakening thing only. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how well they fit into the story.
I mean, in the game where it first appeared, it didn’t use time travel, it skipped ahead to a time through peace where the children were fully grown. I believe it was with Sigurd and Seliph.
Does it actually outright say “straight couples only” in the scans or is that just an assumption?
I mean, I know there’s no point in hoping I can actually be gay this time, but I can’t help it 🙁
looking at it from a mechanical standpoint, it only makes sense that they would only allow straight marriages because of the children and skill inheritence
No there weren’t gay marriages in FE4, but when a character didn’t get married in the first generation, there was a different kid in place of the one that would be in the second generation cast had the character gotten married. The replacement has worse stats and growths.
I think what they’re getting at is if there’s no boink-boink then there would be a new character in place of the child that was supposed to be there. Either that, or having the supposed “child” be an apprentice to the father instead of actually their child (as the children are now based off of their dads). But oh well, not like either two choices will be happening.
This is a world where people can shoot fireballs and transform into dragons and stuff, I don’t think gay couples having children would be too farfetched. Especially if the kids are actually from another dimension or something, which seems to be the case.
Seriously, i can not STAND mpreg, the game going anywhere near that will completely ruin LGBT representation, and be a big spit in the face to actual NORMAL gay people
They don’t have to do mpreg or anything, just “oh hey, look, it’s our magical child from another dimension” or whatever would be fine. Maybe one of the gods blessed them with the (already-born) child or something? There’s a lot of ways they could do it that wouldn’t involve mpreg.
Sure, if you want to compare inclusion of a hair color and German translations to having to write and program numerous support conversations that approximately two percent of people will have any interest in reading. Of course such a comparison is asinine.
Bear in mind that programming a hair color takes virtually no time at all. Also bear in mind that translating the game to German opens up the game to approximately 100 percent of the German 3ds gamer market and would be responsible for driving every single sale of the game in Germany.
So in summation hair color takes very little effort from them-ie low investment, and translations literally open up entirely new markets in which the game can be sold- ie yields potential for high reward. Gay supports fit neither of these categories. They require a decent amount of investment and will drive few to no sales.
I personally don’t care either way. I’m just explaining to you why the developers likely didn’t deem it worth their valuable time and energy.
I realize it would be a lot of effort to make support conversations between every single character, but really I’d be fine even if it was just exclusive to the Avatar. And presumably the Avatar can A-support everyone already anyway, so it wouldn’t be that much work to write the S-supports as well. Heck, even if they only made it possible for a small amount of characters, that would still be better than nothing. It would definitely bring a lot of attention to the game as well, and most likely bring in quite a few more sales. Sure, not as many as a German translation would, but a considerable amount nonetheless. Assuming your 2% statistic is accurate, the amount of gay people who bought Awakening is about half the amount of Germans who did so, and I’m sure a lot more would buy it if they could actually be gay in the game. A lot of straight people too, based on what I’ve seen of various fandoms online. Even disregarding this, some other companies do allow gay relationships in their games, and they haven’t had any loss because of it from what I’ve heard. Nor do I think they really considered that in the first place.
Either way, in the end, it all boils down to feeling actively alienated in games I would otherwise love – time and time again. I mean, yeah, I’ll play it and enjoy it anyway. But it would be nice if I could actually feel like my avatar represents ME, for once, instead of forcing me to be something I’m not. Is that really too much to ask for?
Dude, just as the guy before you, Youngotakubwoy said, this is still a medieval setting – where every male had to marry a female and every female had to marry a male for lineage’s sake, even royals. I’m sorry, and just so you know, I do support homosexual rights, but that’s something for this current century and beyond. If they make a Fire Emblem based on today’s situations and takes place in the today, maybe they’ll do it, but even I as a supporter realize that even the mention of that is incredibly idiotic.
There won’t be. This is Nintendo. Nintendo is a conservative Kyoto based company. Nintendo would not make a game with gay marriage. There will probably only be tongue in cheek stuff like in the last game, but there absolutely will be no marriage between same-sexes. You have to take in mind that this is a medieval type setting with kings and queens and lineages being important, they would make a proLGBT statement and change the child making mechanic with a far fetched story asspul.
That is right, but i fear to even think about what the FE14 tags on Tumblr will become. Not to mention that it would be terrible storywriting. Im getting way too rilled up by this, but it really irks me.
A gay pair that has an adopted/magically created child would be cool, more than one instance of it would get really weird really quickly
Fair enough, I was mostly thinking they’d limit it to the Avatar anyway though. (Especially since otherwise, all gay couples would have two kids and all lesbian couples would end up with none, since the kid is linked to the father.) Not that they’ll do it in the first place, but if they did.
Holy shit! have some respect! I stated an opinion of mine and you said “Go To Hell”. This is unbelievably offensive on so many levels! What is wrong with you! calling the people who don’t like a certain aspect of the game fags WTF we have opinions as well! You need to learn to accept others opinions. You support gays in FE don’t ya, well I don’t but do you see me bitching at every comment talking about it? NO! Because unlike you I don’t get my internet enjoyment fucking with others! I know I just gave you what you wanted but seriously hating on the people with opinions other than yours is fucking wrong, and even worse than that is attacking someone with words as offensive as “Go To Hell”!
Ignorant if what? Because old fans don’t like new thing to the series? Sims , pokemon , and harvest moon have this mechanic and fans love the series, because sometimes a character in video games having a family make them more human and special in story’s or for players.
Those are irrelevant since those games are built around it from the beginning and that’s how it’s meant to be played (Though Pokemon doesn’t marry. We just force animal cruelty to be the very best). Fire Emblem was built with different mechanics. It’s what Fire Emblem is leading too is more what Old Fans (That aren’t weeaboo’s at least) fear of and dislike. And having a family doesn’t make you more human. Understanding and morals do. Look at FF7.
Pokemon has a breeding mechanic were you created fighters, pokemon were also built to fight.
Ff cloud has a little adoptive kid that he takes care of.
Some of your old fans shipped lyn or Marth.
Your fan base loves a game that has trope characters, colored haired, anime move set , art that’s based on old anime, and original fantasy cliché story.
Breeding and Marriage is different. I can make two pokemon make a baby and then make the baby… with mum… grows, but whatever. Ugh! This is just disgusting talking about it. I’m done.
Really? Creating units to fight and die for you that’s not like pokemon breeding, in war you need a army and of course you need to breed that army. The marriage thing is just a thing to make it less messed up.
You seriously need to chill, Delvin. The older games were just as enjoyable as the current ones and you need to respect that they will have their opinions. Seriously, marriage, kids or not, I’m just glad they kept the support conversations and as long as the story is still excellent, I could give a flying care.
There are a lot of strategic games out there nintendo just needed to give it something a little new. Besides people love ship characters especially Lin and Marth. D
I’ve been reading other comments and you keep replying to those not really interested with the marriage system. Stop acting like a rude kid and start respecting their opinions.
i guess it would be more interesting if they could add a new mechanic for marriages, i mean adding a side quest which includes a flash back of the spouse’s past. it helps for more character development and could make the marriages a bit more interesting
No no no nooooooo~
I liked how the supports worked in the previous games (well, except for RD) but the mariage mechanic… This is just fan-service, seriously.
I get the feeling that you’re only a troll, but stop using the same argument over and over again. All of them just seem really childish and have no evidence or whatnot to back it up. It’s really annoying.
That’s not exactly the same because in my opinion in FE4, there was a concrete plot and the marriage and kids system was well done whereas in FE13, they tried to redo it and to me, failed. True, the fact that you can practically marry whoever you want, that you have endless possibilities to do so is innovating and brings more fans to the franchise, but I actually think it brings a lack of personality to the characters, or that they are being too stereotypical. I’m talking about the kids, not the parents. It’s paradoxical, I know, but the kids seem quite shallow to me and the child-father supports are generic. If the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?
Hope it’s understandable, because I’m not a native English-speaker.
Failed? They added them as mor units to your army also it was pretty simple too “the future was in trouble so they come back to help prevent this”. Well the child is produce by the mother thee father could be anyone you choose so it might take a little longer especially when that was about to be the last game. Also there are plenty of tropes in fire emblem franchise You dumb fuck.
“Failed?” Just read again the reasons I said this.
Indeed, the franchise is full of stereotypes which is why I said “I’m talking about the kids, not the parents” because it’s the parents who are the archetype characters and the kids being stereotypical. And indeed again, “if the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?”
You seem slightly blind, or you might have a selective eyesight?
There’s a lot of mixed feelings over the marriage mechanic. It’s always been in fire emblem actually, except it usually only happened when you beat the game with certain characters at A level support. I’m an old fan and I’ve always liked to pair people up before the game ends. So I don’t really care about how they do it as long as it doesn’t become a flat out waifu simulator.
I know it’s always been in Fire Emblem but like you said, it only occurred when you beat the game with certain characters when they reached A support. That’s why I really how the supports worked in the previous games because it wasn’t that present in the plot while in FE13, it’s practically waifu and hubby.
True, awakening did put a little more emphasis on the marriage system, but I only did it for the kids lol. But I’m not very familiar with the way the marriage system worked in FE4, so I can’t really make and harsh judgements on FE13.
I do know that the supports were made easier to get in FE13. Before I always had to make good use of each character’s limited number of support conversions for the endings I wanted with them.
Actually because you finally get to create own character in the game, again this mechanic before, but the thing is in fe 7 they created a sequel for money instead of adding the time skip mechanic like fe4. You dumb ass, use your fucking head next time.
…Anybody who knows anything about videogame history is laughing there socks off right now.
Please stop making yourself look like an irate idiot and leave.
Somehow I doubt we’re going to have the Awakening marriage mechanics all over again, actually. Yeah, we’ll have marriage and children but Awakening was all for the fanservice. Fates seems to actually be putting more thought into the writing so I imagine we’ll at least have same-sex paired endings even if they can’t make babies.
Kinda expected the marriage system, but not the children thing really. Wonder how they are going to explain how the children got to the present anyway. People need to calm down about this tho, it’s not like it’s a bad/weird thing having your characters marry, again it’s completely optional.
Exactly, I don’t get why some people make a lot of fuss over something optional. Sure it MIGHT be a little bit ridiculous to have the time travel thing again, but we still don’t know for sure if that’s how you meet the children.
The “it’s optional” argument does not hold water. I think of it this way: you have a friend who throws great parties. Then at some point there starts being a corner of the house where people can go get a free handjob. “It’s optional!” some people say. “You don’t have to go get a handjob if you don’t want one! A lot of people really love the handjobs!” But at some point, you start to feel like it’s just not your kind of party anymore…
The marriage/child mechanics were well-incorporated in FE4. Having a time skip and starting a whole second chapter really worked. The “we come from the future” mechanic was shaky at best in Awakening, and the marriage system was so open-ended it really took away from a lot of the characterization (everyone had to be much more of a blank slate for the “they can pair with anyone” thing to work). We don’t know how exactly the children will be shoehorned in here. Maybe they will make it really work well! But it’s easy for a lot of people to have a bad feeling…
1: the handjob thing is completely stupid, because of women, gay guys, guys with a spouse or girl friend. In other words saying people love Hand jobs is completely. Stupid, also diffrerent.
2 : there are a lot of parties with that type of action you need a better way to describe something.
3: you have to be the gayest fucking twick wod to cry of something minor as this, also do you do everything other people do?
4: the optional thing means people like you don’t have to do, it’s bloody harmless.
5: in war there kids with the story they can be the main protagonist, a ride along, or a cheerleader.
6: you know this is why I make fun of you guys in wank off forest, because you don’t let other players have fun on something that’s harmless and it’s over a game that’s not even worth the dirt under my shoes a game that has irrevent gameplay, cliché fantasy stories, colored haired anime heroes, and trope charaters from video game, anime, or some other made up story.
P.s want you guys to remeber that your fan base is about to die and when it does I’m going to take a good laugh at old fans and wish them a bloody and painful death.
Holds no water? Dude, it’s a fact it’s optional. The whole example is so silly that made me laugh, but I do see your point. Regardless of that, as with any annoying fanbase, can’t you just ignore it?
I agree that FE4 had a better mechanic at introducing 2nd gen. units, but I never had a problem with Awakening’s time travel. As for the marriage system, it was pretty open on which character could marry another, but if you paid attention to the support conversations, you’ll notice that some relationships work out better than others. As for the inclusion of children again, I’m just hoping that it’s not time travel again, we just had that in Awakening, but as you and I said, we still don’t know HOW. It may still have a chance.
I’m not arguing about whether or not it’s optional, just making the point that it’s easy to be bothered or feel alienated by it even if you aren’t forced to participate. I didn’t think characters were well developed in Awakening; a few supports gave details on their past, but more likely you just get elaboration on their “quirk”. But yeah, I do think it’s possible they have a “how” scenario that makes sense and doesn’t feel forced and adds a lot to the story (but I am still really annoyed by face-touching minigames, no matter how optional).
We make a fuss cause it’s the “Not Fire Emblem way” and “It’s weird because players just play for pander” and other crap. Rather simple but over used excuse. A game about smart strategy, planning, complex system and we get this. And the optional isn’t optional when you’re playing Lunatic+. You then are forced to play this Waifu Emblem 2016. That’s basically it. Veterans basically just hate the marriage system and that fanbase, but they’re not wrong.
How is it not the fire emblem way, Awakening wasn’t the 1st FE game to do the marriage/child system. So what if it’s a strategy game, what’s wrong with having a feature that bonds your units together that is completely optional? While supports for Awakening were helpful, it’s not like it forced you to watch the confession scenes or the support conversations, just simply skip them and get your ”precious S support” that you need so much for lunatic +. Please, if anything most veterans welcome back this system because it’s a nice bonus feature to the game that is, once again, completely optional. Please stop trying to act like this system ruined the FE you love, because you are in the minority if you think that the marriage and children features are a hindrance to the game.
FE4 did it differently and much better, with an entire 1st/2nd gen split.
Also, the mechanic feels tacked on. The only reason they even included it in Awakening was as a shout-out to FE4 in the first place.
It only really exists to cater to those who are obsessed with the “Waifu Emblem” crap. It’s fanservice and pandering for the sheer sake of it.
And “most veterans welcome back the system”? On both sides of the fandom and the Pacific, I’ve been hearing nothing but arguments and complaints about this that mirror each other.
Fe 4 had it’s way of doing it with the time skip, Awakening had it’s way of doing it with time travel which made sense in the game. Unlike Fe4 though, children were pretty much irrelevant to the story, besides Lucina, so once again it’s most likely just going to be something there as a bonus to getting units married. I wouldn’t say the only reason they did it in Awakening was just as a shout out to Fe4, they just brought back the idea that was only used in 1 other game and it worked. Like I said, its optional so if it bothers you that much that they brought it back because you say people wanted it then just skip it, or don’t bother with the children. The only reason some people are complaining is because they don’t know how they are going to implement how the children got there in the 1st place. They are just worried that they might use the same reasoning as Awakening with the time travel thing, but I really doubt its going to be the same reasoning so unless it is, don’t know why people are this upset about it.
There’s literally much better stuff to bitch about the game then this. If the children and marriage systems are bothering you that much, then that’s your problem. Whether it’s the fans or just the system in general that you don’t like about it, then, once again, that’s your problem. And what’s the problem with trying to maximize sales? If adding an addition like this again will increase sales, then what the fuck is the problem. They didn’t add this system again just for the people who only care about marrying characters and getting every kid, like you said. It’s literally just a side mechanic that you can simply skip.
Actually nintendo watches is on the internet all the time now and they watch people play match maker with fire emblem before awakening. Also besides the males and females are really lonely so why not , because let’s be be honest anyone who spends more time on fire emblem then real life is going to be lonley.
I have nothing wrong with the marriage and supports and stuff. Sorry guys if you got me wrong, but it’s just the fanbase that annoys me. Support has been in FE since forever so I don’t have a problem, but people who only play Awakening, don’t touch Classic with 15 foot pole and just play for the marriage system is why I hate it.
I feel like it added a lot of depth to the game as -imo- much of the dialogue was fairly amusing and made your units seem more like real people. I see you issue with it seeming mandatory though with support pairing advantages and child units being veritable gods if built properly (I know my Lunatic Classic playthrough would have been shot without Brave weapons letting Chrom/Lucina support strike Grima with their Falchions 4 times each in one turn)
I can understand the thing about the fanbase cuz i completely agree that ther’ye annoying but the fanbase doesnt realy have to do with the gameplay and functions of the game plus i mean i personally wouldnt make a big deal about the why ppl played awakening and stuff just because everyone has their own reason to play a game… getting mad over it is just isnt going to help anyone but this is just me adding my two cents ^~^
Ive played all the games and i love what they did in Awakening, honestly that was the best way to bring Geneology back. In this veterans opinion the series just gets better and better
They’re not wrong, but neither are the people who like the marriage system and that fanbase. If you hate it so much don’t buy the game. No one’s forcing you.
That doesn’t make sense. Like I could have known what Awakening was going to be like when I bought it. And even then, you’re telling someone, on Fire Emblem website, to not buy Fire Emblem.
Except SF and Famitsu pretty much TELL you what the games are gonna be like before you buy them.
And just because it’s an FE website…well, okay, maybe there’s something else about Fates you’re interested in. But you seem so angry about the changes, and why play a game that makes you angry?
Exactly. The fact is, fandoms and playerbases change. Franchises change. This isn’t “pandering to the Waifu Crowd”, this is “Awakening tried something, the game proved a major success so we’ll give the players more of what they liked”. The old guard has the option not to buy this game, or use the marriage mechanic. No one’s throwing the pre-Awakening games in the trash and saying “sorry, no more for you”.
I think the fandom is just overreacting and getting angry isn’t going to change a thing. Buy it or don’t. You have a choice.
Pretty much. I don’t really get what some people are mad about since the marriage/children systems in Awakening were great and added alot of different ways you could pair up units etc. Guess some people are just doubtful because they think they are going to use the time travel thing again as a reason how the kids are there anyway.
I loved the mechanics of the old games too, but if I want them I’ll just…play those games! And marriage+babies dates all the way back to Seisen, which is the most popular pre-GBA game.
I just hope same-sex A supports can have paired endings too, even if they’re not overt with the HoYay/LesYay subtext. Because from the sounds of it, marriage+children isn’t as big a theme in this game.
It’s not the marriage and kids that bothers me, as a hardcore FE veteran. It’s how they’re going to be explained.
FE4 had the first generation marry and produce children. The first generation was then roasted by Alviss, and there was a timeskip, meaning that it was a very viable reason for the second generation to become the new main cast. In Awakening, we had the whole despairing future thing. That was a large part of the plot. But I’m wondering how kids will fit into the whole “fend off Anya/Nohr” and “Revolutionize the kingdom from within” paradigms of Hoshido/Byakuya and Nohr/Anya, respectively. Marriage has been around for a long time in FE, and tended to be at the end of the game, with characters confessing love at the A support, so it really doesn’t bother me.
I hate this “If you don’t like it then don’t play it” argument. Even ignoring the marriage mechanic, the games are still quite good so I still have many reasons to play it anyways. There’s nothing wrong with providing constructive criticisms and demanding a level of quality from one of Nintendo’s flagship franchises in order to make it better for everyone. I don’t many are inherently against a marriage mechanic, but the way it was done in Awakening was not very well done and could use a lot of renovations. The fact that children are returning despite the logical inconsistencies is ominous at best.
Fair enough. But the marriage mechanic is still optional and so are the kids and it gets tiresome to see people complaining all the time about a mechanic they’re not being forced to use.
Well I actually want my characters to get married I just don’t like how it works here. Like if the Avatar gets married, why is the wife never in any cutscenes – it just feels so unnatural that she wouldn’t become more important to the plot afterwards. Plus you never see any interactions between them after the marriage besides for some random in-battle dialogue. I want the marriage mechanic – I just want it to be done properly
To be honest, that bothered me about Awakening, too. In order for the Avatar’s spouse to matter a female Avatar had to marry Chrom and there was a goldmine of feelings to explore from other characters. Lissa, Lucina and Frederick at least retained a teeny bit of relevance since they’re plot-important anyway, but what about characters like Tiki?
LOL no need to apologize – and yeah thats my biggest issue with marriage as well. I think Ideally Fates will have a bunch of cannon relationships you can build if you want to and the MU is the only one with some choice so that each relationships gets a large deal of development. Not to mention things like Cordelia crushing on Chrom even after she’s married, like aren’t you happy with your own man *ugh
Sorry. I’m a bit out of the loop. So I’m reading that some fans are upset about the whole marriage system, but I don’t understand why. The old support systems in FE7-FE12 were not that great, especially FE Radiant Dawn’s. Why are people opposed to the current system? I enjoy being able to see multiple support conversations before deciding on my favorite based on their interactions and class specialty. Children double the fun and make for a badass line up of troops. So, where’s the downside here?
It is true that a good amount FE supports are pretty stale, especially in Radiant Dawn. The only reason some people are opposed to the marriage system is because they think it was only added back in for pandering due to the fan-base it created in Awakening. Even tho Thracia had marriage and children, some people act like Awakening was the only FE game that had these mechanics. That’s the thing though, there is no downside so the people getting worked up over it are retarded. It adds way more character development, more characters with the children, and allows players to pair up people based on how they want.
Overall, the marriage/children features are ones that only improve the game with what they add. The small portion of people complaining are only complaining because they couldn’t care less about the side features such as marriage, and only care about the game-play. Also they don’t like how the FE fan-base has changed with Awakening with a lot more people focusing on the characters, aka waifu wars and such.
Uhm, Orochi kinda looks like a sexual predator. I liked the children characters in Awakening well enough, but I would have preferred if we had skipped them for Fates. Hopefully they’re completely optional and I can leave them for post game.
*Sigh*
…After my initial frustration,… I’m disappointed.
There’s no real reason for the 2nd generation to exist outside of pandering to those obsessed with “Waifu Emblem”.
Way to pour cold water on our hype, IntSys.
This just feels really shoe-horned in; the initial trailers and such makes it seem that IS was trying to tell something big, epic, and different, only to eventually start playing it safe, first bringing in the Awakening expies, then marriage, then the child mechanic.
I can’t see this positively effecting the game overall; it’s just going to hold it back for a lot of people.
Yeah, what rainmaker said. No one’s going to force you to make the characters get married and have babies. The kids are optional, if you want to play an epic dramatic story with no waifus and babies then go for it.
This argument holds no water. The mechanic offers gameplay bonuses. So penalize myself, then? And to use a modified analogy from someone above, if you’re at a party and suddenly a corner where people can smoke opens up, sure “it’s optional”, but you really start to get the feeling that it’s just not your kind of party anymore.
Well, pretty much every Fire Emblem had a marriage-system of sorts… if you got an A support between the right characters, they got married AT THE END…
Right now, I’m hoping that instead of lazy-writing-kids-from-the-future crap, they take after FE4 and have a timeskip. As the Avatar is part dragon (the most dragon-like of the lot of their varied siblings, if I’m honest; nobody else has got pointy ears…) maybe that means the Avatar has draconian longevity too and won’t look too much older after twenty years… thus explaining why we haven’t seen old Avatar… oh, and everyone else from the first generation dies from chivalrous dummy syndrome sometime mid-game.
Just my hopes but as Awakening made more fans than Genealogy did (though the latter did make a whole batch of seasoned, respected fans ^_^; ), it’ll probably be a rehash of Awakening. T_T
i love the marriage system, its fun, cute and and i get to see the characters in diferent situations of life. Why so much hate? its optional, dont marry them if u dont wanna
Exactly what you said: optional. They had no real effect on the game, and were simply there to encourage the “Waifu Emblem” nonsense. If the don’t serve any real purpose except to get the scummy part of base to buy it, then why even bother implementing it and just put the resources towards something else?
Or maybe they want a unique experience of enjoying Fire Emblem’s gameplay while also yes having their dating sim. Fire Emblem is now a unique gaming experience you can’t find anywhere else as far as I know
Get back to me when half the people who talk about Fire Emblem don’t jump straight to “waifus”.
Also, your wording makes it sound like it wasn’t just as much, if not more so, a “unique experience” in the first place.
They were.
Fire Emblem was to SRPGS is like Metal Gear to stealth games: they defined their respective genres.
Sheesh! You’re like the Grinch! Does the happiness of others really bother you that much? You obviously love this series and I just feel sorry for you.
Oh yes, FE is without a doubt a wonderful and unique game. The problem is that its uniqueness just wasn’t enough, not after 12 games. It’s as simple as that. Innovation was required to garner a larger fanbase, and I know that sounds like selfish cash grabs, but that’s basically what it is. In the end, it’s all for the sake of money because that keeps their company alive and pays their rents. The plus is that they will keep making FE games. And that brings us back to whether or not that is a good thing, and whether or not we have it in us to accept the changes.
“Waifu Emblem”, at least regarding this mechanic, is nonsense. You aren’t just pairing up the avatar with your favorite girl, but also many other members of the cast among themselves. Actual otaku series don’t have important females who fall in love with the non-insert characters.
This mechanic allows customizable units and more variation among the teams. For an open ended game like Hoshido, if there weren’t an equivalent mechanic replacing this, it’d be pretty much an inferior Awakening, and they hadn’t announced anything to replace it as far as customization goes. It’s harder to guess how well it’ll work in the Nohr side though.
“Pretty much be an inferior Awakening”
With different classes, different story and (supposedly) different characters, on top of some new mechanics and actual balancing of existing ones (*cough* pair-up *cough*), it’s clearly trying to be a different game than Awakening. Really, as an SRPG and a Fire Emblem game, you can’t get a lot worse then Awakening without deliberately not caring.
…Which is what makes it the more frustrating that Awakening mechanics got tacked on to it.
Guys chill. We don’t know how everything will work. IS is experimenting with a lot of things to find a balance and make both veterans and newcomers happy. That’s the point of the two versions thing.
I want to unlock all the characters, but I’m in here for the Fantasy RPG, not for the dating simulator.
That’s why I don’t like future children. It pressures you to marry most of the gen 1 characters in order to get all of the gen 2 characters. I especially don’t want to have to marry my avatar.
I stated that I want all of the characters. That includes the future children.
If there was a way to unlock every character without playing hook-up, I would. But there isn’t.
Also, was the name-calling really necessary? Resorting to that right off the bat does nothing but prove your inability to hold a solid argument.
Then your wasting time because there’s this capture enemy thing and you force them into your army in othe words never ending . also for people who played pokemon or sims it’s fun mechanic and easy to do.
The capture mechanic really doesn’t count, though. They don’t have backstories, distinct personalities, special abilities, or anything else that makes the other FE characters worth it so much. They aren’t really characters, they’re just generic enemy unit #176.
Not really you just didn’t explained It clearly. Go play harvest moon it’s a game of farm life and people love that game ands it’s marriage mechanics. Also watching your kids grow up and leaving you, it’s quiet sad really. 🙁
Is the Avatar able to learn any class from both side? Because I don’t want my main to be class restricted, I want to choose my game for the story, not the classes…
I truly hope they include options for same sex romance this time too. They don’t have to produce a child, or they could have alternate replacement characters for gay couples. Leaving it out twice in a row, especially after Nintendo said they are gonna be more inclusive after the Tomodachi thing, would be really awful.
Even if there weren’t children, the marriage mechanic would have essentially been there anyway. Every single Fire Emblem game with the Support system in it (except for Path of Radiance) has had the compatible characters marry each other at the end of the game when they reached A level of Support.
Still the same. Only opposite genders marry in those endings. Some games act like a continuation to the next Fire Emblem (who are supposed to be the children of the last Fire Emblem characters).
How about you calm down. And stop viewing Fire Emblem as a “Waifu Simulator” sure marrying certain characters together got a very waifu-esque scene, but it doesn’t matter. Fire Emblem is what the player makes it to be. There is no need to hate on a subject or term that has been around since oh, I don’t, Genealogy of the Holy War.
That and the fact that characters in Fire Emblem have been marrying each other and people have been engaged in the whole shipping thing since at least Binding Blade (IIRC, that was the first game with Supports as we currently know them). Not having marriage take place in the middle of the game or not having children wouldn’t have stopped any of the people calling characters their waifu or shipping all of the different characters together.
I just don’t care if people will say the children mechanic is killing the franchise because I care about the characters in general and what they say in the support conversations getting a badass child is just a bonus for me.
Rather have a mixed feeling about the marriage system. As I do like to know my units more in depth by playing through a bunch of supports, it’s basically the fanbase that just ruins it for me. It’s true what they say, “It’s not a Waifu Emblem is you make it one.” But if you keep calling it that, and fans just play it for that reason while that i most talked thing about new Fire Emblem game, then that argument is irrelevant. If it’s a reason why it sold so well and it came back in the next gen then it’s what it exactly looks like.
So you don’t like the marriage system because of the people who like it?
You remind me college when people didn’t like music because it was too mainstream. Your though is equally stupid.
Buy yourself a personnality and start liking things for their own qualities, not for what people will think.
I don’t like the marriage system because people make it act like it’s the sole reason to play Fire emblem, then the devs think it’s okay to lean that way and make more marriage system mechanics to pander and then less content on the mechanics aren’t put in, then I lose faith.
I’m a little more upset about this news than I expected (disclaimer: I’m only modestly irritated). I’m a big fan of Fire Emblem, and that includes Awakening and its unique gameplay features. I’m not offended by the waifu wars or the Outrealms. In this game, I’m not bothered by the hot springs, the face-rubbing, the Awakening clones, or the story implications of these new children. I’m hesitant about this news primarily for gameplay reasons, as well as a personal one.
1) I’m a bit of a completionist and perfectionist. While I liked the eugenics in Awakening, I realized in my later playthroughs that my mind would always linger on the eugenic factors regardless of my pre-established rules for the playthrough. I’d do a no-grinding, no reclassing run, but I’d still agonize over things like “oh no, at this rate Lucina won’t inherit any useful skills! So much lost potential ahhhhh!” It hurts the experience for me. The same goes for how strong the kids are. I’ll have a whole team of Ests (an archetype I love), which makes it hard for me to ignore them. The first gen keeps getting set aside, no matter how strong my convictions are at first. I am sure there are others who can’t shake these thoughts either.
I’ll admit that that’s a matter of self-control, so…
2) I’m a dude and I like dudes. I was gunning for same-sex romance in this game, though I would have survived without it. Also, I LIVE for having a large cast and getting/trying every character possible. I’d say it’s one of the defining reasons I love Fire Emblem. The kids mechanic thus makes for a conflict of interest; it means I have to sacrifice a little part of myself by romancing a woman, or else I lose out on a character that I very much want. Either way, I’m disappointed. I had similar issues with this in Awakening, but I put up with it because I figured it was a one-time deal. This news has re-opened some of those wounds. Even if I have to swallow my pride again, I’m looking at the character list and I’m truly at a loss as to who I’m going to begrudgingly marry. At least in Awakening, I justified marrying Cordelia because in my headcanon, we were just friends who bonded over our mutual unrequited fondness for Chrom. And produced a couple kids along the way (sans intercourse!) because why not. >_>
(and no, don’t bring up the Oboro/Takumi crush in response to that logic)
At any rate, I’m not hating on it, really. I just hope that the fans of this system can recognize that it is far from ideal for everyone. I wouldn’t want this to become a staple of the series if it means they’ll never add same-sex romance. Or even worse, what if same-sex romance locked you out of a character?! I’d rather not think of such horrors…
More for point two, I’m the same way although girl for girls haha. I was -really- looking forward to a chance at being able to marry a woman without having to play as a man (because, quite frankly, you’re stronger than me on that subject. I just couldn’t marry a guy although if I did I probably would have gone for Lon’qu in a very similar fashion. He had gynophobia? Perfect, He can be my purse, I’ll be his beard. 😉 ) I definitely agree though… honestly if it weren’t for Lucina, I would have probably been a single F!MU as opposed to a married M!MU.
Same here ! I wish I was able to romance a girl without having to play as a man … But hey ! We can always hope for extremely ambiguous a-supports, riiiiight ?
Oddly, that Lon’qu idea never occurred to me, even though I used the very same excuse to crush on Guy from Tales of the Abyss!
Also, you reminded me of something that DID occur to me recently. I can only imagine what it would feel like to be a lesbian casually playing Awakening as a confirmed bachelorette, but then “OOPS I GUESS I’M MARRIED TO CHROM NOW.” Yeesh.
Just play as a girl, you can say you’re a trap. This game is not a romance simulator so it really doesn’t matter anyway, I would prefer if they removed this feature all together because half of the support conversations in Awakening are idiotic.
Plus this game is set in the middle ages so same sex romance wasn’t really all that prevalent.
No, I won’t. I mean, I will for the sake of changing things up on later playthroughs, but no. I’m not going to go on a rant or anything, but what you’re saying it pretty offensive in a number of ways. Pray, be cautious…
Also, it does matter in the sense that I need to enter into a heterosexual relationship in order to recruit a character. With a (pseudo) self-insert character, that is. I think it’s quite obvious why some people might be disappointed.
Le sigh* That’s why I always ended up with Anna. She may not be into it, but she seemed like a wife that wouldn’t care if I did some gay antics as long as she could monopolize over it, like selling pictures. Plus…playing on the male version, I always found that there were at least 2 main cast dudes not paired up with any girl. I would honestly rather just put them together than leaving them forever alone.
I kinda knew that Marriage would come back, but I’m happy for confirmation! What surprises me is the returning children mechanic. I wonder how they plan on explaining it this time (hopefully it will make sense with this story and not be another “from the future thing” like Awakening)? Either way, I’m happy (because more characters=more supports, and considering how the support conversations have been in past games, that’s always a good thing :3)
(*Note: Not trying to be rude here, but I’m just making a point*)
I have to ask, why are so many people getting upset about this? I don’t get it. What has changed so much from FE4: GotHW (or just FE7) for it to get so much hate? Other than getting married during the story instead of the end (and having your children fight by your side), what’s the difference? And no, “Waifus” aren’t a good reason since that has pretty much been a thing since 2007/2008 (yes, I actually looked it up and checked) and it goes where ever (in anime, video games, and manga. Pretty much any fictional characters) , whether people want it or not, and if you aren’t into that waifu stuff, it shouldn’t affect you when playing! Plus, it’s optional, so what’s the issue (unless you don’t like the marriage system or something)? If I’m missing something, could someone please let me know because I don’t get it . (again, not trying to be rude, but I just don’t get all the hate this is getting.)
It’s usually the fandom. Although my guess [and half my reason] is because the whole story behind the children came from the future was a mess. At least in FE4 the 1st generation grew old while you use the children.
I was okay with the children coming from the future in Awakening because it was a one time thing and the first time they did it. If they pull it again, then I’ll be a bit upset. I’m hoping for some sort of time skip for this one.
Yeah, they don’t look older at all. And although I wouldn’t be particularly happy with some other “supernatural” explanation for the kids, I just really hope it isn’t another case of time travel.
The main problem I have with the mechanic returning in FE14 is that the game clearly is trying to be something different from Awakening, yet has to be shackled closer to its predecessor by the mechanic.
At no point has FE14 stated it is trying to be different. It’s trying to be better, and right now better means taking the most popular features of the last game, polishing it and adding more features. If something works you do not ditch it so easily.
I’m making inferences from what I saw. Why would they bother trying two different versions, or making a darker, emotional story (hopefully), or greatly diversifying classes, if they weren’t trying to distinguish this game from Awakening?
The mechanic stands at odds with the story they are trying to tell and feels shoehorned in.
I’ll use an example: Halo 4. That game introduced custom equipment loadouts to multiplayer. The game sold great. The core fanbase wasn’t happy, though. Come Halo 5, what does 343 do? Cut them and try to do a unique experience that attracts both sides. If all they cared about was maximizing sales, they would’ve kept them.
First of all, you can’t possibly compare Halo and custom loadouts with FE and its marriage system. One has a solid following, the other has only just clawed its way out of near extinction. Second, Intelligent Systems IS trying to attract both sides. FE Fates looks to have solid gameplay and story (you said so yourself) AND marriage. What’s wrong with trying to have the best of both worlds? And the key word is trying. 343 gambled, so let Intelligent Systems gamble too. It could come out beautifully, we don’t know.
They didn’t say they’re trying to be defferent by mechanics, but by story. They updated the mechanics better for fans of both sides, hell they made to two virsion of the game. Also how do you think video game franchise work?
The thing is, a lot of the FE games have been like this. Look at FE6 and 7. There weren’t many changed made. Like everyone’s been saying, they just took the basis and tried to improve on it. Same with Sacred Stones. It’d be one thing if they were jumping to a new console, but they aren’t. So they make do with what they have.
…Meh
I’m hoping this doesn’t become an emphasized trend with FE games, but as long as IS implements the children’s relevance, maybe they can push the story further in terms of depth.
One thing I really I don’t want are carbon copies (especially from Awakening). The first trailer seriously gave me an impression of an entirely new atmosphere so I’d be really nice is this game maintains its distinctiveness among others.
Let me make this clear: I don’t hate Awakening (in fact I’m playing it right now lol)
Not that I mind the recurrence of children characters; customizable characters add a lot to the game, although they do make it a lot easier. It also makes it easier to get attached to the characters.
That said, it would have been nice if they did it differently instead of twice in a row. Just off the top of my head, there could be a teacher/student system, for example, where certain recruits can be assigned to an older, more experienced member of your army, allowing them to inherit skills and maybe classes from them.
you’re all just hipsters, awakening was good and the marriage system was the best shytt ever, it made me feel more attached to the game. if you don’t wanna get married then don’t, just be lonely, but don’t say the feature is bad.
Btw guys dont forget that their main target is the japanese audience so even if the west dont like the game that just makes more probable if they make other game it will just stay in japan … and thats sad since we only have cars, football and gun games -.-
As a stand alone game and/or a Fire Emblem modern day AU fanfic sort of thing, I could see myself playing this. I think it’s unique enough to stand on its own merits (really all video games should do that… but y’know…) and who knows? It may get me into Shin Megami Tensei… or something.
At least it doesn’t seem to be just another mediocre JRPG with Fire Emblem themed Lovecraftian enemies……. right?
The project clearly has a a great deal thought put into every detail of its theme though, from the music, to the dungeons, to the battle stage and system.
Interested in seeing where these kids really come from.
I have no problems with the marriage and kid system as long as the story doesn’t become stupid because of it (not a fan of shoehorning in time travel and multiple dimensions;Awakening’s way of doing children feels like an afterthought, like most of the game).
It’s one of the few additions to the series that I’m fine with and one of the few things I’m okay with for Fates. Most of the rest of the game might as well just be considered a new IP.
Right now i’m more excited for the spinoff that tries to appeal only to Otakus, Fujoshis and Weeaboos than the new main game in the FE series and it REALLY shouldn’t be that way.
(um kinda off topic sorry ‘~’)
Ok I don’t think I’ve seen a post about this, but I was reviewing the ‘my castle’ video, specifically the part where you are in your room and can chose some to play fire emblem – amie with. In that screen it has some sprites, and some have a ‘heart’ next to them, which i’m pretty sure signifies you can romance and marry them. Three of the sprites have hearts, the first having pink hair, second having green hair, and third having blue hair
the pink haired girl is obviously the maid, Felicita, and the blue haired girl is that aqua/azura girl.
what i found interesting was that the green haired person is Suzukaze, the male ninja that follows you on both paths.
Also, the sprite with the gold and red hair is definitley rinka, but you can’t romance her as the male avatar.
sooo does this mean gay marriage is confirmed for the game? Maybe Suzukaze is bisexual, and can marry both male and female characters? or maybe with rinka you havne’t completed some ‘requirement’ to start romancing her? What do you guys all think?
Ummmm….all I can say is that until further information is revealed, its safe to say the hearts just mean building friendship. Kind of like how the male avatar in awakening would have the heart symbol appear over him and a paired up male unit when their support increased. The heart at this point is used for the universal friendship/bonding symbol. As for why those three had it and not the others….I can probably guess that’s showing those three units are the closest to increasing their support to the nextlevel. I’ll just leave it at that because I sure as hell not going to try and somehow have another Shingeki no Marriage shitstorm happen like what happened in that last post revealing Marriage coming back (Yeah….after all those comments blew up over there I’ve not even bothered to even click that link….at least the starting comments).
Yeah, that makes sense. The hearts could mean the ones you have a close friendship or high relationship with, which is funny cause it looks like he hasn’t been talking with his sister at all XD
we really won’t know anything til the game and the support list comes out… until then it’s all pretty much guesswork :
lol yeah i took a look at that comments page and pretty much clicked right out.
Yes, marriage is confirmed, but the hearts in the “Fire Emblem Amie” aren’t tied to marriage. In a different screenshot, it shows Silas having a heart icon, next to the females. I don’t know what the hearts mean though… Maybe you can only invite that character when the heart is there? Or it shows their relationship is at the highest level?
I doubt gay marriage is in. If there were gay marriage, you’d lock out some of the children characters. Sorry if you swing that way and wanted it to happen. I also thought it might have been possible, but having child characters kind of destroys that idea.
Yeah, that’s what i figured too. Especially if the children are locked to the fathers. Like, there probably is a way to maneuver around all the couples so they all have child, regardless of if they’re gay/straight couples, but that would be way to complicated to implement, I doubt they’d bother.
I’m actually ace, so I don’t swing either way lol. In Awakening I didn’t actually marry off any of the characters (bar Chrom), and honestly I doubt I’m going to do it in Fates either. I guess it’s something I’d more like to see as a concept than actually partake in.
It’s going to be so gut-punching if one of the bosses on either game you have to end up killing (with that character being a character that’s playable on the other path). Then again, it makes for a good game; so bring on the angst!!
Seriously, though, Azura would be the feminine form of Azure, which is the shade of blue that the sky is… Sky=Blue, Water=Blue? And also water is usually blue because it reflects the sky….
I just think there’s more connection between Aqua and Azura than that they both begin and end with A… (though that is relevant… not sayin’ it ain’t….)
The first time I played Awakening I didn’t know what the ranks meant. I was automatically paired off with Chrom.
It wasn’t until the 2nd playthrough I discovered I could pair off everyone else.
So you CAN avoid the marriage system.
I don’t know why everyone is complaining. If it wasn’t for Awakening they wouldn’t be making anymore FE games.
Man, I was planning on going into this spoiler-free, but I kind of also want to find out how both games work separately…..I guess I’ll stay away from the story spoilers at the very least.
Not to sound picky or anything, but would it be possible to make Female Corrin the Avatar picture for the Nohr page? She’s prominently featured as being the “Nohr Avatar,” based on the Cipher and the case cover images, and it would be a good idea to show both canon avatar appearances in the character section. Just a thought.
hmm looking at the child that looks like Tharja, that gives me an idea that there going to use the top 4 popular first generation characters from the first game similar to how there using severa, inigo, and owain in this game….. except maybe they will be 2nd generation characters this time around instead of first generation characters… just a thought though
I hope this means that there are cannon marriages for the characters. Perhaps its unlikely but I think the characters would get some actual better characterization if they all weren’t spread so thin.
I’m more mad about the fact that they pulled the whole “not blood related” crap. I could get being able to marry only your Nohr siblings; after all, Aversa was your adopted sister in Awakening and you could marry her (and get the amazing Shadowgift on Morgan). But then they pull something like “you’re not entirely related to your Hoshido siblings.” Which urges the question “why would I side with them, then?” I get that you weren’t supposed to learn this until later on-but that doesn’t excuse the poor writing. They should have just kept them at A rank and nothing more.
Like, I understand that in some cultures, it’s okay to marry, say, your stepsiblings, and even your cousins. But pulling the “not blood related” card is just poor execution.
Considering the Avatar turns into a dragon and none of the Hoshido siblings do, I think them not being blood related might have been the deal all along.
Honestly, I’m not surprised, and legitimately ecstatic about this possibility. Because naturally once you find out about this, it completely changes Kamui’s perspective of the whole thing. In fact, it could even be that Kamui was purposely manipulated to go back to Hoshido. I mean, its possible that the other siblings don’t know about it (certainly the younger ones do not).
Regardless, I don’t think this has anything to do with the marriage system. Considering Kamui can turn into a dragon and none of the others can… well, Sara Jaye said the exact same thing lol.
Wonder if they are going to change it like how they did for the west, where if you married say Lucina and Owain they would be called life partners or something. Don’t know if they are going to change it somehow, if they do over here, since there are definitely some people who would find it weird if incest was in the game, even though marrying is optional and at the end of the day it’s just a game.
Wait…if the avatar can’t get a A+ Support rank with the same gender…does that mean the avatar can get a S rank with the same gender? EDIT: Wait, looking at the link from that A+, nevermind. 🙁
I kinda wish that they based the child characters on the royals and neutral characters rather than the males in general.
I think that would make it easier to include them in the plot, since it’s all about Loyalty vs Bloodline.
What I didn’t like about Awakening was that the children characters were interesting but didn’t do anything plot relevant, except for Lucina, and she was the only one not optional.
and personally, I would care more about recruitting Felicia’s or Camilla’s kid than I would about Tsubaki’s Cordelia expy daughter. (I liked Cordelia in Awakening and Tsubaki sounds interesting, but I’d prefer someone with a role in the plot.)
Welp, all the characters have been revealed and they look pretty neat for the most part -I can only imagine the supports between Leon and his son-(though the children seem younger this time around….makes it weirder to S-support with them when they look like 12 year olds….or are 12….especially the slightly lewd turn Amie goes once you reach S-support). At this point I just want to know what the heck A+ support means (though the livestream players are being as heterosexual as possible so its going to be a while)
It certainly is a start. Given how disappointed I was about kids seemingly deconfirming same-sex romance, this is a welcome surprise. It seems you won’t get locked out of the children characters either, which is excellent. Though… how are we supposed to believe that we adopted Kanna when his/her design and class specifically reference the Avatar’s bloodline/pointy ears/dragon-shifting powers? Hmm…
Also I can’t say I approve of the extremely limited options being so… iffy. If Shara is anything like Tharja, she’ll be a morally ambiguous stalker, and Zero is already a confirmed sadist. I really just wanted Silas (bi option available on both paths! It could have been so simple!), but instead they chose literally my least favourite guy in the cast. DARN IT.
From the looks of it, not counting Male Kamui, there’s 20 children, and 22 1st gen male playable Characters. So if anything we could of had the option for those 2 other non-child bearing male characters to be choices along-side with Zero. From the looks of it, there’s 23 female 1st gen characters, so they could have made up to 3 options for the girls. Plus, then again, if the child/ren you get through these are adopted, I really don’t see why that couldn’t work with any other choice.
*intelligent rant*
(inb4 people accusing of making everyone gay/bi). All because the option to hook up with any character exists doesn’t mean that all the characters are gay/bi, they’re only the sexuality you choose them to be. In this case, it would be logical to only have one canon gay/bi character as you can only have one S support. So there wouldn’t be any proof of the others sexualities as S-rank is where all the romance happens for the hetero ships, the same goes for the homosexual ships. Hell, looking at translated FeMU and Shara, you really only get the feel of canon lesbianism in the S-support. Everything before that was pure friendship. So I don’t get why people would go “Oh, you can’t put gay marriage as an option because that means everyone in the game is gay!”, that’s not how the game system works people. This isn’t a stab at them only have one choice per each game, as I can live with that. But like Kipper said….both options had to be the psycho-ones.
Precisely what I’ve been thinking. People say making everyone bi isn’t realistic or that it excludes strictly gay/lesbian characters, but couldn’t we easily just look at it as some sort of Schrodinger’s Sexuality situation? Awakening had the CBA supports remain (generally) platonic until BAM, the S support shows up and sometimes even retcons the previous supports to make them romantic in nature.
In a similar vein, during any one playthrough of Fates, the characters could have had no specified sexuality until they got their S support. I’m avoiding spoilers at this point, but it seems something like this is already happening with the F!Kamui/Shara romance, so it’s already being done! As such, I feel like “making everyone bi” isn’t problematic in the slightest. Instead, it would give players lots of options all while preventing the characters from being written with their sexuality as their defining trait.
I don’t think sexuality is something that should be used so loosely as a character trait. I believe that it’s just as important to their character as their values, beliefs, and interests. If a character is made a bisexual because the artists decided that orientation fits how that character was born and/or views the world then fine, that is their artistic vision. However, when a characters sexual orientation is left ambiguous simply because of the what the player may or may not want, it cheapens the character for me.
Say there is a character named Bill, Bill is an easygoing comedic man. Unless of course you don’t appreciate humor in which case you can turn off that trait and he will become a more straightforward and melancholy type of guy. Clearly, this presents a problem with good character design, as who the character exactly is gets put into question. To some people, this analogy is completely irrelevant, they don’t consider sexual orientation to be on the same level as a personality trait such as “funny” or “dour” or “ditsy”, and they are completely entitled to that opinion. For me though, I’d like to know that a character is oriented towards the way he/she perceives the world, not because the player wants them to be something the may or may not have been intended to be.
I was pretty bummed over Silas too; I still think a small choice (albeit two iffy choices and it has to be the more trope-y characters) are better than no choices at all. Maybe in the next FE there will be more homosexual/bisexual characters, especially if all goes well sale and reception-wise.
I feel like the gay/lesbian option should be available for both genders in both versions, but it’s still a good thing that the option exists at all.
It’s not a big change, since it’s only one option each, but, hey, “small actions have ripple effects”
Excuse me but I was wondering if there is any information if North American release will have the same special edition bundle that comes with all three routes/games?
On another note (since I already talked about the main topic enough), looking at the character designs, I’m actually pleased that they’re more diverse this time around than with Awakening. Judging by the livestreams, both paths are indeed different enough to be called separate games. I just hope the discount price goes over here too.
*after the fact*
Holy Crap, I can say for one I am genuinely surprised with how things turned out in the game. Something was revealed about the whole royal family situation thing and I can say it was the last thing that came to my mind about them.
Now we just need to figure out what the A+ supports entail. If they are simply the same sex marriage/coupling options for other characters than the protagonist then I’ll be happy. I’ll be rather upset if they’re all just “best friend” routes.
I don’t see it being anything but “BFFs” – I assume they’ve included this because you could only get the best stat boosts when characters were married, but you would think friends could achieve the same boosts anyways.
I actually prefer if being BFF.
I want same-sex marriage in this game, but I would find weird if every character could turn straight or homo depending on the player wishes.
I prefer the notion of each character having their established sexuality – be it straight, homo or bi (but yeah, I hope the day will come when there will be more than one homossexual unit so you can marry them and no just with the avatar). For this reason, I really hope Zero and Syala are only available for same-sex marriage.
I know the three paths will be awsome and the tactical theme of the game should be the main aspect and it´s getting overshadowed by all the marriage thing, which I do not really apreciate. But unlogically, I like all the characters and their children so much that I do not think that I will have enough files to save and marry all the guyzs… and I am going crazy.
Well, now people can stop complaing about whether or not it’s gonna be separate in the west, because there’s your answer. Good news though for people who wanted same sex marriages I guess.
I actually have a few concerns about how Nintendo is handling this:
1) I’m pretty sure that the west will complain about the fact that the only two same sex options are psychotic
2)literally only two same sex options, one for each game which makes the way its split is even more limiting for character relationships
This is just my personal opinion but i think it would be best to add a few more options into the mix (at least 3 more in each game) so that there is more personality balance with the same sex options instead of literally saying “in all your army there’s like only one gay dude you can choose, everyone else in the world is completely straighter than virions arrow”. Belka is a perfect example of another person that could have been a same sex option. Meanwhile this game has a fuck ton of incest (full on brother sister incest at that), which makes me honestly wonder, why is it that the options for us are that limited?
I was a little upset too that the same-sex options were for the more trope-y characters, but I think this is still better than nothing. If FE: Fates does well, it may spell for more same-sex marriage options in the future. This is just out of curiosity, but why did you think Belka would be a perfect example of another character who could have been a same-sex option?
her defining trait is that she likes strong girls, then again it could just be a case of simply admiring the strength in her fellow ladies in battle. I’m guessing her case is just a matter of perspective? Idk honestly
I thought it was Camilla who likes strong girls–the main reason why Belka is her subordinate. But I see where you’re coming from. Thank you for answering my curiosity! c:
I thought the same as well, until i read and researched a bit more, from my understanding Camilla is possesive of the protagonist (i paid a liiitle too mutch attention to Treehouse and i kinda regret how much Ive spoiled myself with plot related stuff that I should have saved for next year). this summer is really gonna be rough on everyone with all the spoiler circling around, and i plan to avoid them as much as possible 🙂
I just read Male Kamui x Zero’s S-Support….and by god its so precious! I thought it would be pretty dumb considering Zero’s a raging Sadist, but it turned out to be pretty sweet/adorable. Granted, its probably really similar to the hetero S-Support of Zero, but the addition of extra lines consisting sexuality really made it sound all the more realistic.
haha~ just read it, i honestly thought it was gonna be terribly made but it’s so freakin’ adorable! if they transfer it like that when it comes out to the rest of us in 2016, then i take part of what i said back 🙂
It’s good to hear that (and thanks for not spoiling it for me and the other users on this thread; I really appreciate it.) By any chance, have you read the support for the same-sex marriage female character?
Hm… well, consistency isn’t bad? I guess if anything I’m wondering whether or not she’s an exact clone of Tharja’s personality but I guess I’ll just find out next year when the game comes out to NA regions. Thanks though! c:
Not to mention that with the right combination Lucina could marry her nephew, gotta admit not really complaining of the fact that there is incest present, I’m really complaining about the fact that there are only two available same sex S supports while there are six s supports (from what I’ve heard) with blood relatives. Keep in note I can’t really count the Nohr siblings and kids cause they aren’t blood related to the avatar, however its understandable when people get iffy simply because they were raised to love each other like siblings.
How is there no blood relation when Kamui can literally marry Ryoma, Kamui’s biological older brother? If you are talking about the Nohr siblings then you are right but the Hoshido siblings are Kamui’s biological brothers and sisters… ergo they are blood related cause they share the same parents.
That was supposed to be the hidden point, that you’ve been lied to and that you’re really a pawn to both sides (well people are revealing it now so it kind of kills the point for choosing that side). Though I would still advise for people not to directly spoil stuff outside of the forums. Because spoiler tag functions don’t work here.
Oh, then the very last part of my first comment is invalid now, so basically the other children are from a concubine, correct? Few, thanks for informing me, gives me a better perspective on the games situation 😀
Dude, incest is incest whether you’re related to a person by blood or not, since you’re raised to believe those people are your family. Saying that it’s not incest because they’re not really related harms real life people and families who adopt children or are adopted. It’s basically saying “the family that chose you to be their child isn’t really your family” which I’m sure I don’t have to explain why that’s so hurtful and disgusting to say.
well another achievement for LGBT community *clap clap*
i looked for the Fire Emblem if special edition rom in baidu and i realized its size is 1.69 gb, how is it possible to be two times bigger than awakening while both games included have lower size than the previous game? (awakening was 2gb) that worries me
First off the game just reuses tons of assets, if you have one version you have pretty much all the data. I doubt that their is 50 GBs of original content to separate versions.
But both games contain many original maps with their own assets. They both have their own CGI cutscenes (and there are a lot of them). Last I checked the carts were 3 gb each so something’s off about the rom.
Day one buy is totally contingent on my ability to get the special edition. I can buy that, sure got it, good day one I snag it from my pre order. If I can’t fuck it like 100 JRPGS will launch in the same season including SMT X Fire Emblem.
Do we know which cards are in each Starter Set? Since I’m assuming not all Awakening characters are in it’s Starter, and vice-versa. I want to get a deck, and am leaning Marth’s series, but Anna could tip me over into getting the Awakening one.
Kamui’s child Kanna will be adopted for these S supports. I think zero’s child will also be adopted, maybe as a whole or just for his gay S support, too. Syalla is already a child character, so you can’t have an additional child with her anyway.
I’ll wait for the overpriced copy that has all 3 routes on one cartridge (or at least the first two with the third as DLC) for $90.
Or I’ll wait for them all to be on sale so I don’t have to pay for more than $50-60 for all three. I can’t get myself excited for this one though, despite being an FE lover, since this just isn’t a real FE to me. More like a spinoff for casuals and anime fans (I’m also an anime fan, so I still will be getting this).
That same sex marriage is awesome news though!
Oh boy, going through the live feed thread I accidentally came across something. Without spoilers, Lets just say the “choice” aspect goes even farther than just simply choosing your path. Like holy crap, this is actual serious stuff, as in decisions that actually have an outcome on the game (compared to Awakenings pointless “Should I let her live-or-not” option, when Emm still commits suicide either ways). So asides from the….anime additions, don’t worry, this game is just as FE as the rest, hell, even more in some aspects.
That sounds pretty awesome, because the choices Awakening offered were basically just two different endings. (Both endings were pretty happy outcomes anyways. Thanks for not spoiling any details, by the way. c:)
I agree that the art style and the characterizations aren’t like previous FEs, save for FE13, but if anything, the mechanics are still rooted in a turn-based system where you move your units one by one and there’s a weapon triangle to consider. There’s some adjustments of course (the Attack/Guard stance feature, durability removed, stat modifiers on weapons) but FE still has its basic foundations mechanics-wise. (Let’s not forget supports!)
I guess this is just my personal opinion, but as long as FE keeps those core features, it’ll always be a ‘real’ FE to me.
Let’s just say the games for the most part aren’t as optimistic as awakening as. Actually scratch that, there’s a ton of mood whiplash in this game because of the my castle and main story.
The only thing that constitutes anything being a “real” part of any series (whether Fire Emblem or otherwise) is it being set in that particular universe and remaining true to established canon/lore. Like for instance in Fire Emblem’s case, I would argue that it wasn’t really much like Fire Emblem if just anyone was able to pick up Falchion and wield it.
As cool as that would be, if there were skin tone options, who would believe Kamui is related to the Hoshido royal family? For the sake of this story, Kamui has to show believable relation. Of course, hair colors don’t count since FE characters always have whatever color they want.
So? Same sex marriage doesn’t make sense in Feudal/Medieval society (yes i know its an alternate universe) but that didn’t stop them from adding it. I and many other players would be willing to sacrifice practical continuity of the story for more options.
That “So?” is the point. I can understand people saying this about Awakening since Validar’s skin-tone was….(I have no idea what race he goes by) rather interesting. Along with the fact if the avatar went with Basilio or Flavia, Morgan wouldn’t have a different skin-tone. So in those cases, they could of used the directive imagination to actually allow different skin-tones. But Fates is a whole other deal as Kamui’s “True” parents are already set with their race/skin-color. So Kamui being born as a completely different race/skin-color would be a sacrifice on continuity.
You and those others are letting what you want cloud an obvious genetics attempt that’s on par of horrible fan ficition writing. Now if you and other people wanted Kamui to have different skin tones while not changing his race (ala Vaike being majorly tan), then that I can understand. As Kamui doesn’t have to be pale beyond belief as he is right now. I mean its not like he couldn’t get a tan or whatever along the line.
But to completely take away common genetics all because its an alternate-fantasy setting is not good support (for genetics, not lifestyle choices. Because FE always took place in an medieval-era, but never once was it stated that it was “THE” medieval-era we all know. So real-life comparisons can only go so far when history obviously worked differently for them as it does here). Fantasy does not overrule common science. Fantasy can take over science, but not just outright replace the blueprints.
The most obvious support with this I can give is with Pokemon x/y, where they allowed you to choose the race/skin-tone of your character. That’s because only the mother was revealed, so without the father, there was nothing concrete in what race your character was. But Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, you didn’t have that option because both parents for both characters are known.
The only thing I can say is that if they do decide to continue on with the Franchise, that the next game the MU won’t have any, or at least 1, parents revealed, so they can actually have creative freedom with the skin. The only thing I can say is that instead of people complaining, they need to get a big enough force to bring this to the attention of Nintendo’s Eyes. Because do you honestly think Fates would even have the homosexual option if that huge petition (albeit failed one) wasn’t brought to their attention (the Tomodachi Life one). That showed them that enough people were actually ticked off about the forced hetero-relationships that we were being forced upon in video games.
You don’t need to win something to actually win. As SVU usually says, “The real victory is exposing the other person for what they really are to the world.”
With Nintendo saying they want to make a game that reflects the people who play it in a diverse manner, I will say the not inclusion of skin tones goes against what they said (though Fates kind of has a genetic excuse). So either you or someone else needs to use that point and create a petition or whatever and bring that to their attention, but to merely compare one video game minority to another (Japanese Videogames at least), is not the way to go. I would have more concrete points to say but at this point I would just be going on-and-on.
And no one is more right than the others. We all want certain things from the game, so I would just be happy for the people who have the features they want instead making snide remarks that don’t benefit anyone. If you want that feature then make your voice heard the same way the other people did. Nintendo said in the statement that they heard about the request for same sex relationship, so they’re including it in the game.
Separate versions…not a fan of the “But you can get the others for DLC!” option. But I won’t mind too much if I can get a presumed Collector’s Edition. I just want all three versions on one cart, not one system.
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I’m happy about this even if our gay options are limited. This bodes well for future games, in my opinion.
On another note, I’m finding out some rather grim spoilers. Though considering the source for them is TVTropes I wonder just how true they are. Unless SF or the FE Wiki says something, it’s probably just wild mass guessing on the main pages.
How do we know they’ll become locked at that point? Maybe my Azura, since Kamui will be marrying her for me, will be able to reclass into a Nohr Princess.
Well as the way things are turning out by how different the campaign’s really are, I will take their word that the 3rd path is going to be a lot different (potentially new maps or whatever) .Mad props for Kibayashi’s daughter who essentially motivated him further to work on this project.
Some people managed to download the 3rd path early and a lot of the missions are different, taking place in another country. The story is very different too.
Yeah, BSFE is FE5 according to Nintendo. To be honest, Nintendo remember and forget about BSFE all the time, so the numbering system keeps changing by one.
In the game code, Fates is 15 though (Awakening was 14 and New Mystery was 12 because they didn’t count BSFE then).
I ‘m gonna make a guess of the 3’rd path name from what we know already. My thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but hear me out first. :3 Let’s see…
FE If: Black Kingdom is FE Fates: Conquest since the Nohr like to seek glory.
FE If: White Kingdom is FE Fates: Birthright since the protagonist was born a hoshidian.
I’m guessing that FE If: Invisible Kingdom will be either FE Fates: Eclipse, FE Fates: Twilight, or FE Fates: Chaos (or possibly none of the above, but we’ll see in due time). I think that due to:
1.) It’s a path that you wouldn’t really see at first (it’s kinda hidden or obscure) since you are pressured to choose between the two families/sides. Eclipses are only seen when the earth, sun, and moon are aligned. What does that have to do with this? Think about how eclipses work. Do eclipses happen often? No. Are they easy to see? No (not really anyway). Ok, now think back to your decision. Is the third choice easy to see? No. Would the two sides think you would choose neither side. No. A bit similar, don’t you think? (Hopefully how I said it makes sense!)
2.) Since you didn’t choose either side, you will probably be hit from both sides, which will be chaos!
3.) The 2 versions are kinda giving off a “Light and Dark” side kind of thing. What’s between light and darkness? Twilight!
4.) Maybe, just maybe, you’ll build your own kingdom, and (or just try to) fix the other two. In a way not easily seen by others.
While I try to give a explanation for each one, the first one speaks for each one the most (sorta). Again, my thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but it’s a possibility! I like to think out there, you know what I mean? Now, what do YOU guys think? :3
There’s something of note for European players in this Iwata Asks on the Nintendo UK site.
Any time the interview addresses the games being sold separately there’s a disclaimer footnote that the method of distribution in Europe is NOT finalized and will be announced later this year. So we MAY get lucky and get all three games on one cart!
When two characters marry, each character can reclass to their spouse’s base class (using a Marriage Seal). For example, if a Knight marries a Ninja, they can reclass to a Ninja.
I find this to be an interesting way to get skills…. wait…
Isn’t there a way to steal a streetpassed unit’s skills and give them to your version of the unit? This is suddenly much more interesting to think about.
I was about to say it’s part of Chrom’s armor, and then I remembered that he dosen’t have a armor on his right arm. Hahaha.
I guess it is Lucina, but she looks more like Morgan in this for some reason. Maybe I need a new pair of glasses. Hahaha.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Please for the love of GAWD tell me when can change the voices back to japanese! I have Rosetta for learning japanese but have been lazy and haven’t made it past unit 2 but if this game doesn’t allow voice change i swear i’ll finish rosetta before the game comes out and by myself a japanese 3ds and this game(s ; provided we get 1 version)
Not officially, besides that “there will be some”.
Unofficially (via hacking), there looks to be a similar number as Awakening. The best known ones are a beach DLC and a DLC involving 3 Awakening early-game characters.
It’s great that the sales have done so well for the 1st week. Hopefully it continues to sell really well over in Japan, and when its finally available in the US/EU it sells even better if not around the same.
You can still play Radiant Dawn on the Wii U since its a Wii game. But yeah, PoR definitely needs to come out. Or ecen better, get an HD remake for WiiU like WindWaker.
Well the problem then is getting a hold of the games for non-ridiculous amounts if you don’t already have them. Or, in my case, have to replace a disc. It’s not that I have a problem paying the money but I’d rather give it to Nintendo straight…
Question, in today’s update, it said that Dragonstone+ was a magic weapon, does this mean the damage it does uses the magic stat, not the strength stat, like in awaking?
I have so many questions for that artist.
Why isn’t the cavalier on the left wearing pants?
Aren’t Caeda’s fingers going to get chopped off in that position?
Why aren’t the princesses on their mounts?
Why does Minerva look like she’s walking out to get the paper in the morning?
What on earth is going on with the shape and proportions of Ogma’s sword?
AHHH
Actually, now that I think about it, I think they meant that in the weapon triangle, it is with the tomes and swords, since the dragon stone has a range of one and has always been calculated based on the strength stat.
Would’ve been nice if we had gotten Heroes of Light and Shadow, since it fixed a lot of things wrong with Shadow Dragon. Or at least, it was a more enjoyable play than Shadow Dragon was.
I guess for Shadow Dragon, you can buy the DS cart and play it that way. For The Sacred Stones, it was meant to be exclusive to 3DS Ambassadors, so that’s why it’s not on the 3DS for other people.
Hopefully Path of Radiance is one of the first GC games released. I’m sure that Radiant Dawn will quickly follow; the only reason its not on Wii VC yet is likely because they want Path of Radiance for GC VC first.
I sent an email asking for an English release. They replied by saying, “I plan to publish the English version someday.
However, I think that the very time-consuming.” So let’s keep our fingers crossed.
You should have asked him if he needs help with the translation, I’m sure some of the FE community would help with that for a faster release to the west.
SPOILERS Xander and Ryoma use the power of the dragonstones to become SuperXander and SuperRyoma and defeat Biohazard in the outrealms, but Xander crashes into the earth and is presumed dead.
Camilla finds him years later as an amnesiac and they team up with a golem to find Garon
Gods, I am Sooooooo curious, like what’s the general plot, will you be able to access both hoshido and nohr classes and characters? How will the maps or general game mechanics differ from the two other stories, what is with that crazy landscape in the trailer, is the kingdom really a underground faction or something since the protagonists fell down a cliff to it? TO MANY QUESTIONS!
You will get access to the majority of Hoshido and Nohr’s character, classes and items. Not everything, but nearly everything. The maps appear to be mostly different, with the first map and the latter third of the game taking place in the Invisible Kingdom.
Cool, but now I am slightly worried at what classes will be in the third route so I can plan ahead… Also, it was never really said, but will the Avatar have access to all classes on their respective side like in awaking, or will the avatar be limited in the classes?
The dragons were inter-dimensional explorers and made many Dragon’s Gates: the one on Valor, the little Outrealm Gate south of Ylisse which obviously still functions… I must say those dragons really favoured southern isles to put their gates on… Maybe some sort of longitudinal law that requires the gate being somewhere near a planet’s equator……
I think even the dragons don’t know, like one of those things lost to history… (I would guess Tellius was the first world based on evolution if they are indeed laguz and not lobbed in with the others in that world based on likeness)
Anything not orchestrated bgm games of FE [9/10 below] in orchestra is going to be great huhu
Winds Across the Plains tho. Talk about nostalgia omg
And Life Returns! Are they going to bring the singer/s? I hope they both bring Leanne and Reyson/Rafiel’s singer and have them do duet. Their voices were lovely.
In all fairness (and assuming you’re criticizing what I think you are), the justification I’ve seen for her chestplate being separate is that they were going for a training scene. Then there’s the consideration that she would actually look bustier with it on, and that this kind of cleavage armor would work pretty poorly in reality.
If didn’t know that’s her design with out the armor, besides it’s not like she’s exposing anything, Duh dumbass. P.s. Get your dippy brain out of here.
No, you’re a dumbass for complaining about the armor. Also if social media wasn’t created things like waifu wouldn’t been used so much. Also you fe fans would like the game much better with letting the internet rule your life. Duh dumbass
I really don’t understand what they’re talking about when they say a SRPG dosen’t have Atlus’ “spirit” in it.
Especially because Atlus made not one, but two Shin Megami Tensei SRPG spinoffs. (Majin Tensei and Devil Survivor)
And Devil Survivor 2 actually had a system that was like the Social Links from Persona 3 & 4.
It’s also a shame that most of the Mirages are going to come from Shadow Dragon and Awakening. I don’t have a favorite character from these games. :
Well,since they specifically used the word ‘most’, I will dare to say that at least some of the more famous characters from other games have a decent chance of appearing, like Ike,Lyn and Roy, for example.Awakening and Shadow Dragon are just going to be the majority.
Also.I will not be surprised if Atlus releases a Mirages DLC down the line.They did it for Shadow of the Labyrinth, after all.
While I can’t read the original document, I’m not sure that they intended to imply that being an SRPG meant it wasn’t something Atlus’ can do well, but non-strategy RPGs are surely more in their wheelhouse. Either way, going for an SRPG would draw more direct comparisons to Fire Emblem and Devil Survivor, and if they felt it wasn’t going to stand on its own well enough, it makes sense that they would significantly alter their plans.
And while I get their reasoning, I feel you on the Mirage origins.
It sounds like they were focusing too much on making it a Fire Emblem-like game, rather than something like the Megaten SRPG spin-offs. I’ll take a look at the original text again though.
This kind of sounds similar to Hyrule Warriors. Koei Tecmo wanted to create an Adventure Zelda game like the main series, until Miyamoto urged them not to and stick to what they do best (action games).
This more traditional RPG style is what Atlus does best so it’s nice in my opinion that they’re sticking to their strengths.
I’m glad they’re focusing on FE1 & 14,the Tellius and Elibe games have enough attention as it is. And it’s only fitting that Marth’s world takes the spotloght~
Man, I really wish someone would do an interview with Kaga about the whole FE thing. I want to know if he resents Nintendo because of what happened. I also woul want know what he think of the Post FE5 games.
I really want Kaga’s clear opinion on what he thinks of FE now. I bet starting Vestaria Saga is a sign of maybe he’s sick of what IS has done, but I could be just biased. But where this goes, I’m keen. Still… you can’t replace Marth and Ike.
I don’t think FE4 can be used an example. The art styles between then and now are obvious, FE4 was Japan only so people who played Awakening as their first never heard of FE4 (Probably) realized that this was an easy waifu emblem and the game back then was no anime trope compared to Awakenings.
Or maybe he just wants make games again like back in the day. This guy lived in japan for years and he have seen japan grow try different things besides if social media wasn’t created you wouldn’t be complaining about fire emblem, stop acting like you’re a true fan because let me tell you something you’re not, japan had fire emblem way longer than you and yet they still love it the only reason you even know fire emblem is because you played smash brothers. P.s. If It weren’t for smash, fire emblem wouldn’t came in other words you Americans are nothing more than irrelevance.
Lol. Social media has nothing to do with this. Punctuation needs help and so do you. It’s hilarious that you think you know so much, but you’re just a self insecure, ignorant and arrogant little weeb child who failed at life. You know nothing, you’re just like any other immature person, cause I’m not ‘Americans’ and you didn’t realize that. Nor can you actually realize that FE has sold more in the west the past couple of releases or it would have died if it was Japan only. You never knew I tried to play the first FE, but impossible cause it was Japanese now could you. Stops you having the right to judge. I mean if the Americans are so irreverent than I guess Reggie will take all that money back and Nintendo will have nothing. You’re a genius Delvin. And do you know what makes me a true fan to the series? I hate FE14, but I’m going to buy it anyway ho ho ho. *Drops mic*
1: social media make up words like waifu or weebs.
2: you could have said American not Americans.
3: you reused the same insults for two sentences.
4:not really, games in it’s own country can handle it’s own.
5: there are other countries nintendo can sell their products to.
6: here’s the fun fact you hate the game , but you haven’t played it yet, that’s not a fan that’s just a dumbass thinking.
7: japan had the game longer than you, derpy you’re just a pretender fan like everyone else on this site, you guys are nothing more than faggot posers.
Actually, IS was planning to release Fire Emblem in the West was not because of Smash. It was because of the success of Advance Wars. Marth and Ike were supposed to be removed in the Western release anyway, but NOA decided to leave them in.
You could hack a game, which is the most common way to create a game, but it’s kinda complex. I think there are some tutorials around the net though. There’s a program for RPG Maker XP called FEXP, but the creator of it is creating other engine for Microsoft XNA, called FEXNA, but it wasn’t realeased yet.
Thanks! Does FEXP have a RPG Maker VX Ace counterpart or are they compatible? I’ll have to check out Microsoft XNA. I was wondering would Unity be a good choice but I’m not entirely sure where to start if I did use that
Definitely looking forward to his game more than Fates. Hopefully we’ll get an English translation and hopefully he’ll create his own battle and map sprites, rather than use the stock ones provided by SRPG Studio.
Oh shut up you’re not a real fan japan had fire emblem way longer then you guys, the only reason why you’re playing fire emblem games is because of smash brothers, in others words you and rest of Americans are non-important.
In retrospect, Awakening’s DLC maps were mostly all disappointing wastes of money (I bought them all), so it’s unlikely that whenever I get around to buy this game (once total price for the full game is less than $50, rather than $100) I’ll be buying any of these DLCs.
EDIT: Then again, it seems the first one lets you have an item to promote a female character (why only female?) to Master Lord. I think that’ll be enough for me to at least get the first DLC; no need to do RAM hacking for my ideal MUs like the Rapier-wielding Master Lord I wanted Noire to be in Awakening. The Lodestar item for males seems stupid in comparison though.
(I’m not going to check it out until I get my copy for spoilers ‘n stuff)
The only series that I go crazy and splurge over for DLC is Fire Emblem so I don’t mind the ridiculous DLC… But I’m just incredibly and hopelessly into this series. More sensible people would forgo the DLC.
You know Agian, if don’t like it then what’s the point of talking about it? A dipshit like your self should not be waisting time reusing the same line as always.
Kaga is forbidden from the lips of Nintendo staff. He’s always like his isolation anyways. Since Gunpei Yokoi’s death, whom I believe was his only friend and mediator get what he wanted from Nintendo. After his death, he no longer had his way with the company, and he was under Hirosh Yamauchi, whom didn’t allow anything past him. Also I think Kaga wanted his name as a copyright, Nintendo does not let that slide. It’s a complex situation that I’ve been meaning to explain in a nice biography for these top tier people. I find it funny neither party mentions each other after he left. Even in an interview with Famitsu near the release of Tearring he kind of just acts like nothing happened.
Wow, how anything as limited as that necklace can go through an entire concert of fans, get listed online, and still be there over a day later is beyond me. Not that I’m complaining, since it means I was able to buy one myself, but with only 700 I expected it to sell out within minutes of being listed…
“Fire Emblem Cipher” is a trading card game (played with actual cards), so you can import from Japan. The 3DS home theme codes can only be used on Japanese 3DS systems.
I or no one has anything to show. I’m surprised at this moment there isn’t even a teaser video of the event from Nintendo. In fact, nothing other than the latest game has been published since the concert. If you want my recordings, please ask Vincent for my email, and I’ll send a few. Or all. Sorry for making you my agent Vince…
Okay there were like 2 prompts before the download, I didn’t know what either said and I picked the top option and the right option, were those correct? 😡
If you got to the download screen, you should be OK. I’m assuming the top options were “Sleep Mode Download” and “Complete Download Now”, while the bottom option was “About Sleep Mode Downloads”.
I wasn’t ecstatic about the performance. I did miss most of it, mainly the judgral series arrangement, which I feel is heavily neglected by Nintendo. Without the guide, it was fun trying to guess what track they were arranging. Sacred stones was actually easy, and it I my least favorite, but I’m glad Ikuro picked out the best themes, which was a few. Lyn’s theme winds and plains had a nice long and looping play out.
I would have used my camera, but when I look out into the crowd and not see one device light up in their palms. Now that is a well dignified crowd. Although…. I did record sound. I do have the interview and various arrangements recorded if anyone would like a preview taste of the event. I don’t know how good my phone is and I haven’t listened to them
The thing I like about these DLCs is that they scale higher in difficulty as you beat more chapters. Making you actually work for it and earn the rewards.
Here’s hoping; Thracia 776 was the Anti-Fire Emblem 1, where Leaf’s made out to be a reskinned Marth, except instead of victory after victory, you get captured, retreat, defend, your Jeigan is taken from you early on and left out for 9/10ths of the game, and you don’t resolve the continent’s crisis at the game’s end.
I was not liking the screenshots at first. Kaga really has balls to be using data graphics throughout his career, but he should really move up in polygons a little. Given how un impressed I am with the screenshots, I did like the clichéd gameplay so far. No matter how hard he tries, it feels like Hikari no Tsurugi covered up by new names. I thought he was going to use a different artists but look like same old Hirota to me. And the music is certainly, Tsujiyoko style, though I feel it’s most likely Hirotoh Saitoh’s orchestration. Some of the themes are deeply entranced with the story development. I wanted to mention that both Berwick and Tearring had music similar to Fire Emblem almost to the same arrangement of notes.
Also to make note, Kaga or his staff has made the youtube account on Aug. 6, posted the video four days ago and has 35000 views. I believe that the youtube presence is what spiked his site hits. Strangely and annoyingly, they left no details on the account, and no comments can be placed. This guy is truly erasing his traces. As infuriating as his public habits are, it’s what I love about him.
Couple more things, the back ground art in the discussion scenes are almost exactly like that in Radiant dawn. Even the color scheme is too similar. hmmmm….
And copyrights are to Vesteria Project, although I think Kaga doesn’t want his name on it for exposure.
Um not really these characters are exclusive for the card game, they were created as a card game host like any other spinoff. Also I don’t see any specializing here. Duh dumbass
Just one minor nitpick: please make the Serenes Forest logo in the top left link to the homepage. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried clicking it out of habit from other sites.
Don’t flatter yourself, VincentASM. We can thank FE6 for this site’s existence, but not because you like it, but because FESS was literally made in response to FE6.
If only this game would get the mother 1 and 2 treatment, i wanna play fe6 in english legally soo bad. Also slowly withering away as i wait for fe fates lol.
The problem is that the whole Mother 1 treatment is because Nintendo already had a translated version of Mother 1 ready, a long time ago, but they didn’t release it on the NES due to various reasons that I’ve forgotten. Binding Blade, on the other hand, never had a localization team working on it so there’s no version of the game that’s been officially translated. X’P
They didn’t due to bad marketing. It would be nice if we can finally get an official translation of this game. =)
Mother 1 localized was the best thing to ever happen in a long time in North America. Let it happen with Fire Emblem 6 and Mother 3 now, Reggie!!!!! 😀
Binding Blade is still my favorite. Sure Roy isn’t the greatest lord and compared to later GBA titles even it seems a little primitive and also it sticks close to the FE1 formula… but in the context of playing it as a sequel of FE7, it was awesome… Maybe I’m overstating the game (and some of its characters that I love) but it holds a special place in my heart… I guess.
Considering how FE is known now, they should really try remaking the older games (like 6-8) essentially like the pokemon remakes. Updated graphics, updated character designs, implementing some of the newer mechanics. Heck, if there was a FE8 remake, but with extra chapters in it and characters to make the game longer, I would so be all over that.
That I realize was a failed attempt because the mechanics just weren’t that good. Like why would they make it a thing to have you kill off your own units just to recruit more people? Considering it was the first FE, the plot itself wasn’t grand. But the GBA’s actually picked up the slack. To this day FE7’s story is probably one of the best for me (also they made some side characters still relevant throughout the story). Plus it wouldn’t hurt to have the Awakening/Fates crowd to experience the older titles and realize that awakening wasn’t the first FE. Bringing back MU to an FE 7 remake would make sense among anything.
It’s implied Robin IS the tactician from FE7 so that wouldn’t make particular sense in my mind. Plus, 12 was more successful than 11 but was never released outside of Japan, and had many new Gaiden chapters you can access without killing off your units, introduced MU, and had a much better and fleshed out plot featuring MU and a subplot revolving around a new character. In fact, literally every “new” concept from awakening except the pair up was in 12 in some form, so 12 is responsible in many ways for the modern series, I do not see any more remakes happening at least for a good 10 years or so
The mechanics of some people being scared of perma death. Fire Emblem 11 was the treatment to it. Since they don’t give you enough promotional items to befit a team unless you connect to Wi-fi which is gone now, (So codes is the only way that you can get them now.) you have to use about 12-13 units each playthough which that is what you’d normally use per Fire Emblem playthrough. It’s actually unknown as to why that it didn’t get localized when it actually sold well in NA. http://www.vgchartz.com/game/25700/fire-emblem-shadow-dragon/
(Sales)
If you count remakes as the original games, then that makes this the last game in the series I hadn’t played aside from Fates. I’ve been slowly picking up the Japanese games through VC and also got New Mystery a few years ago in Japan. I absolutely love the GBA FE games and while I’d kind of want a remake, I like the style that is used for them so I wouldn’t really want to see it changed.
Here goes my hope of seeing it make an appearance on the US/EUR Virtual Console. Since it wasn’t released I assumed that they were working on doing so. Oh well we still have the translation 😛
Also Vincent, it’s also my first FE game that made me fall in love with the series too. 🙂
If they do end up making some DLC based off of these results….I hope they exclude the royal siblings for the cutscenes. They all already had their chance in their version of the Summer Scramble. So that would put top favorite none royal siblings (except Azura) to be:
Males: Joker and Odin
Females: Azura and Oboro
Now I just need to know who their favorite kids were
The special edition looks cool. Obviously we won’t get anything in Europe, but at least we may have a physical copy release, some day between January and Half-Life 3´s release.
They need to hurry up, Wii U is collecting dust right now.
As the game is unrated in that image, I doubt that they’re putting the cart before the horse. They’d obviously want to make sure of the game’s rating before packaging it with that rating.
“don’t worry because the standalone “Fortissimo Edition” has all the meat anyway.” So… The standalone “Fortissimo Edition” also includes the 6 character lyric cards, 2 original sticket sheets,and 3 “support quest” download codes?
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FIRE EMBLEM IF will be coming sooner than expected next year!
Additional good news: it will be receiving a Mature rating, so there shouldn’t be too many changes coming from the Japanese version.
Some were worried that Nintendo of America would completely whitewash the game. The “good news” bit was directed towards that audience. Personally, I wouldn’t have minded either way, as I’m fine with anything as long as the core gameplay value remains. Im fine with changes made to the game… All but that gay-ass skinship one.
…And here I received an email about the second wave of DLC maps, which are hard and based of hard maps in other games… not to mention probably recruiting Anna + ballistician + Witch. All paid of course, though.
…However, you can choose to receive either 1 ballistician class change item or 1 witch class change item for FREE starting October 1.
Hey Elieson there’s some fire emblem news you haven’t posted yet, like fire emblem if got the new dlc wave announced with certain character finally being obtainable and the 4 stages that first batch of dlc will contain and new job classes. Then just recently , chrom and lucina got announced for project x zone 2.
The Ballistician class really reminded me of Valkyria Chronicles. Never care for the first Project X Zone game, but now that second one has Fire Emblem characters, I might just end up picking a copy up
honestly the anna dlc is upsetting, i never complained about the awakening dlc because none of it was really required to the main game but as i heard, you see anna’s shadow figure in the supports? that’s lame having to buy her just to have all the actual support characters, that aside i’d get all the dlc nonetheless 😛 and it’d be beyond amazing if with all this news lately, we finally get confirmation of the NA and EU release dates hopefully being either january or february cause i can’t wait much longer
though if they went on to add dlc characters that was supportable like with awakening’s spot pass dlc as money dlc, i personally wouldn’t mind that since that’d just be a bonus treat imo.
I have a question. When the games do finally come out will these two waves of DLC be available from the beginning or would we have to wait for them? ( if a third wave pops up before the release of the western version my question includes that too. ) I am asking because i got awakening a year after it’s initial release with all the DLC already available for purchase.
Intelligent Systems……you knew how many people liked Anna and how many wanted her back in Fates, you crafty, lovable, sons of dragons! ……Although, if I have to pay for the DLC to get Anna, I’m still gonna buy it…darn it…I like Anna too much…oh well. :3
??? It looks exactly like the artwork to me. Certainly it looks more like Gradivus than Gungnir, at any rate. Just take it from a guy who spent 1100+ hours with Awakening; that’s Gradivus for sure.
I’m not exactly sure what it is, but something about Fates Anna is remarkably cute. She was pretty before, but something about this one is just plain adorable. Perhaps it’s the head tilt.
Honestly, no. This is more based on the character’s personality and how B.A. they are as a unit and not on their looks (Besides, only so many people can vote based on their hormones). Although, if Camilla’s and Chalotte’s personalities are more appealing than their looks, than yes, it would be a bit shocking.
(Note:If you weren’t implying that, sorry.)
My implication was “because tits”. Although from the little bit of information I’ve seen about them. Camilla’s basically the over-protective big sister, and Charlotte’s a gold digger.
I voted for Silas(Cyrus) and Anna(I have a soft spot for her)! After seeing a few chapters of If (or Fates) Silas seems like a pretty cool guy! Anna is a no-brainier for me since I really like her from Awakening! :3
Hmm, I’m gonna need to vote every day to vote for all my favorites. FE has lots of great characters. My two favorites are Takumi and Leo. And I like Camilla and Hinoka for the females. I guess I like the middle siblings, I am one myself.
I’m looking forward to this game, but I really wish we had some characters from Tellius and Fates showing up in it. Also, I am so sick of Tharja, I wish she was never in anything ever
Voted for Inigo on the male side since he’s one of the very few characters I gave a care about in Awakening, but not sure who to choose on the female side. Might choose Severa, but I wish that dragon fish girl was a choice.
I really like Atlus and their games are great but I really wish their idea for a crossover wasn’t putting the two most popular games in japan in a genre they’re not usually in and calling it a day.
This is awesome! 😀
Kaga doing this out of celebration of the Fire Emblem 20th anniversary tells us that they are trying to make this series a bigger success than before. Especially with all of the bigger fanservice that FE14 provides. The waifu’s and husbando’s will continue to grow alot more when the game comes out in the west. Hope that this game Vestaria Saga gets successful soon!
Eh, looks like a placeholder date to be honest. They do that all the time with pre-orders with no set date yet. Whoever does the web listing probably just selected the last day of the calender. That said I do hope they announce the date soon. I’m having waifu withdrawls…
One of us brave souls should volunteer our services to translate this to English… (If I didn’t have my own projects to do… and a lack of knowledge of the Japanese language, I’d do it)
So sad and heart breaking… This is why I Ship Olivia with Henry. The kid is creepy and mental, yes. But he truly loves Olivia and is a good father. Henry is the only one that could give Inigo such a cheerful smile.
Damn I’m really excited for this. Character art is looking really pretty. Even if he doesn’t plan on commercializing the game, it’d be nice if he released an artbook. I…need to get started learning Japanese. Hopefully I will understand just enough to be able to play through this game next summer, even if I need to look up words every now and then. It’ll be a great way to wait for Fates to drop in price for it’s full version.
Finally, after waiting in anticipation for a release date after it’s release in Japan, we get a release date that is pretty close. Definitely getting the bundle.
Awesome! 😀
We finally have a confirmed date. But…most stores have already sold out of the Special Edition packs. Keep your eyes peeled and hope that more come soon.
Anyone know where I can preorder it in canada? (the special edition) Been searching sites and only found the separate games for preorder, and nothing on the special edition…..
If any of you are still looking to preorder the special edition at this point, It is still available at game stop however you have to preorder it in-store, hope this helps 🙂
Don’t get carried away. For a time America was being the last to receive good treatment and even been skipped over in favor of a European market. I remember IGN writing a nice article about this which I should look up.
Still on sale at EB Games Australia. Currently selling for $199 AUD for a placeholder price. Meaning, they dont have a price for it, but needed one to fill the blank space until then. I managed to nab a pre-order during the first hour it went up, for $99 AUD. For those that like tin foil hats, $199 and $99 are in Australian dollars. $99 AUD is $141 USD and $199 is double that. Again, placeholder prices.
Awww man! I was waiting the whole Nintendo Direct for new SMT X FE info (and possibly an English name) and only Japan got it! Well, at least this site is around to give me the info I may miss because I wouldn’t have known about this news otherwise! Thank God for Binding Blade! ;3
Glad they started to show what the game is actually about, combat-wise at least, since most of the stuff that’s been shown has been the whole idol thing.
I’m not all for free work, but Kaga has made an excellent point. This priceless creation is filled with his soul, something that I’m sure has hampered his creativity for his earlier work and the entire industry. All creative fields and humanity can learn from this. I would only like to give one message to Kaga-sensei. Slow your roll. Take your time with it. I don’t want any rush or push, as I sense he is putting some tension for his new twin babies. As to the cut scenes which are exciting. I would hope he would allow someone, like me, to make some video adaptation of his story.
Best Buy Canada’s Gamer’s Club tweeted a reply tho ‘check back tomorrow for Twilight Princess and Fire Emblem SE’ so here’s hoping it’s coming soon to BB Canada!
I just recently noticed something! The japanese version of this game is exactly the same except that it has a holographic card of Marth in it, being replaced by the pouch in this one. Does that mean that Nintendo or Intelligent Systems has no plans on releasing the Fire Emblem Trading Card Game?
I think the “Feria” in Nurse Feria should be Ferrier, as in to ferry, carrying people or things from one place to another. At least it makes more sense to me that way.
Why everyone’s sprites are different? Are they made from different artists? They should have gone with just one artist, well, of course, I shouldn’t be so critical, but it feels weird to play a game done by multiple artists! I like the design of the main character BTW!
Again, being this a project of free time and devotion, I doubt any one person will be giving a majority. He is reusing a lot of his own material already. Of course, anyone would like to devote their lives to this wonderful living creature as I would. It’s better to have a variety of sprite. I’m sick of the fire emblem generic sprites for all same classes. Every character should have a unique look, feel, growth, and animation. Although, I would say that his character artworks, assuming its Ms. Hirota-san, are looking flat. She needs to spike up her designs. Like Kotaru Yamada or FE4 designs.
Hey Vincent, Agro here. Do you think Savant might actually be Servant? I also think Sweet Bird might be Suite Bard? Given the character uses magic, it wouldn’t surprise me that the class is a Bard (Kaga seems to think all bards are magical). I can’t remember how FE writes Bard, though.
Hey, thanks for the suggestions. It could be “Servant” indeed; it’s hard to tell from the lack of context as I’m sure you’re well aware. Yeah, “Bard” is written like that in the FE games; “Sweet Bird” was just the most common phrase I found from searching the whole thing together.
Not sure if its a Japanese to English translation, but the “literal” japanese names for Chrom’s classes are マスターロード ＝ ”Master Lord” and オーバーロード ＝ ”Overlord.” I don’t know if its always been that way in Japan and just localized as “Great Lord” and “Conqueror” outside of japan, so if its that has always been the case then that’s all cool.
I know it’s hard to deal, just need to keep an eye out to it! You’re lucky, because you still have a chance of getting one, not like me, because I don’t live in USA!
It’s not that simple, I live in Venezuela and right now with no dollars because I went there last august! Actually, what I bought was a nintendo 3ds with fire emblem awakening as my sole game!
I recommend calling your local GS stores and see if they have them since they keep ones for stores to put preorders on, from what an employee told me. That’s how I got mine, called and then went in.
“They also received a Fire Emblem If version of the New 3DS XL, which includes custom cover plates and a 16GB microSD card.”
Isn’t it a new 3DS not XL?
“One last neat feature is that communicating with each amiibo unit and choosing to not engage in battle with them allows you to receive a gift in the form of a promotional item used to promote to their particular class.”
So its actually possible to get those special classes? Is that true and do we have proof?
i am not angry but why do people keep doing this ?? forget the main chars and give the others some spotlight of course everyone likes the the royal brothers and the main char this is just kinda sad D: if the votes were without them the results would have been
Male: 1.JOKER,2.ZERO,3.ODIN
Female:1.OBORO,2.FLORA,3.CHARLOTTE
its an opinion …
sad because i think that some chars get forgotten because of the royals and since the royals shine so much in the story people tend to like them even more so some chars are at disadvantage 🙂
Well, that’s probably the case. But I’m sure once the game hits the west, people will have the chance to get to know the characters including the non-royals.
I see the northern part is somewhat cut off according to the trees, but the player and enemy sides are caught in the corners suggesting its a complete map. If this is the true map size, then it may take 5 hours like he says with the enemies trick moves and changing objectives.
I’m surprised Takumi was the #3 male character. I thought he was the most hated character (judging from what I’ve seen online #BlameTakumi). I know nothing about Takumi though, so please don’t post spoilers.
Also, I’m pretty sure “BLAME TAKUMI” is more of an English-speaking meme from the streams. In the general survey a while back, a lot of respondents talked about liking Takumi also, so I don’t think Japanese players have anything against him as a character. (I know the poll was technically open, but it was on the jp website.)
351 pages and I probably can’t read a shred of it. I can’t wait for the fanslators to graciously share their translations with us (You included, Vincent!)
Reviews are in and honestly i can’t believe more than 90% of the book is Awakening/Fates content. Why bother with Sigurd on the front cover and advertise it as a “25th anniversary series book” then intelligent systems…
There’s no doubt there will be few to no infos about Jugdral since Yokoi died and Shozou Kaga went doing his own business. It’ll just be FE’s story after the 1999 shift.
I am still interested to see how they managed to screw up Binding Blade so badly though, so I may take a look at it when the translation will be available. I love how they are proud of Awakening’s story even with the fact that it was pathetically written.
I agree. There’s probably no way of talking about Kaga games without Kaga himself… Considering also it’s pretty old and the old staff probably moved on anyway.
Yeah, that’s right. Every character that appears in this game has been surgically removed from the main Fire Emblem series, forever tainted and never to be seen the same way again. Just like how Link now has to wear a scarf in every Zelda game after Hyrule Warriors. Because that’s how spin-offs work. Dirty, rotten third party developers.
I was under the impression there wouldn’t be any characters from games other than Archanea and Awakening. Even if there were, Jugdral would probably be the last choice.
I just noticed the main character’s face in his artwork…my god, he looks stoned…hell, looking at the menu sceen, some of the other characters looks like they have been up way too long.
It would be really wishful thinking to say that Fire Emblem doesn’t use a formula… tweaked here and there but the idea of a teenaged guy who stands to inherit some land (more often or not a prince… even Ike was probably going to inherit Griel’s fort) being the main character (or, in a stunning modification, only one or two of the main characters!) is basically what makes Fire Emblem’s spine. At a basic level, Ike, Roy, Ephraim, et al are very near interchangeable (it’s only with development that these characters were breathed any individuality).
It’s part of what makes Fire Emblem Fire Emblem, I suppose (though what *really* makes it are the secondary or tertiary characters that you’re not supposed to care about in other games of the genre)….
Fire emblem is like pokemon, the formula remains the same but we don’t want it to change. They do a great job innovating the game without changing it completely like some other games did.
Damn, a big shame. It sounds like it would have been good. I’d kill to play another Akeneia era game, but he dropped it and IntelSys, then basically had war with Nintendo by trying to continue the Akeneia Saga.. And I bet FE64 would look good between GBA and the GC/Wii era, graphic wise.
The name reuse reminds me of the development of Sacred Stones, when characters had their roles changed, and discarded early designs were reused for other characters in the final game.
It seems to me that when Sakurai says Ike doesn’t have ranged attacks, he’s talking about not including them in Ike’s Smash Bros kit for game balance. He’s comparing it to how Robin doesn’t initially have access to Dark Magic, the point being that the fighters aren’t perfect representations of their actual abilities.
Sakurai seems to like Fire Emblem quite a bit. If he was interested and Intelligent Systems was willing, I’d love to see what he could do with the series after the wonders he’s done with Kirby and especially Kid Icarus.
Personally, if he ever got to direct one like he’s done in the past, I wouldn’t surprised if he took a silly approach with Fire Emblem like he did with Kid Icarus. Then again, I think I would look forward to that.
I am very happy that Corrin’s in Smas Bros. 4. By the way, including DLC, the number of fire emblem characters in Smash Bros 4 is greater than that of Legend of Zelda characters in Smash!
Fire Emblem has totally deserved this in my opinion! It’s amazing how far it’s come, from 2 reps in Melee and Brawl, shooting right up to 6 fighters, 3 stages between the two games (Hopefully 4 because I really hope Corrin gets a new 3ds stage! X3), Lots of awesome music, trophies and even Mii outfits! All this Emblem love makes me so happy!
Seeing Corrin’s reveal trailer yesterday got me super excited. I thought that it would awesome for him/her to be in Smash but knew Fates/If got released months after Smash 4 came out and wasn’t popular enough to be a fighter, ballot or not. So glad that Corrin isn’t a (semi-)clone too! He/she is very unique compared to the other Fire Emblem protagonists.
Uh-huh. I think this discussion thread is the only place where I haven’t seen lots of people frothing in sheer anger. That said, I can see where they’re coming from.
Right now, Fire Emblem does have a disproportionately high number of characters and in the eyes of some, many of them are very similar. I think it wouldn’t be so bad if Ike, Lucina and Roy weren’t around, since one’s a clone and the other two are kind of past their prime.
In any case, I’m happy myself and hopefully the haters will get used to things : )
But Marth is the oldest one, he should be past his prime more than anyone else.. If anything, just having Lucina and Robin would’ve been fine with “Marth” as an alt skin, lol. I say that since of the 6 (8 really), 3(5) are characters from recent games. That said, you can have all of them in fates as partners as well. Best thing would’ve been to keep Marth, keep Lucina as a reskin like she was supposed to be (bowser jr ie), add Robin, and add someone from fates that doesn’t would a wield a sword like Aqua since she’s basically the Lucina of FE fates.
Marth is awesome. He is a veteran, he is the 1st Lord in the series, and he is the incarnation of grace and elegance. He will stay till’ Smash 2099 because of his sheer awesomeness. I may prefer Leif and Celice as FE Lords, but I got to say that he is superb, both in gameplay and design.
Never said he wasn’t, I only play Princess Marth and Future Marth when I’m serious. But he said past their prime, when no one even heard of him or fire emblem (myself included) until melee. I glad that fire emblem takes up so many character slots, it’s a great series. Just wish that they added a spear wielder like a sexy new dancer.
It’s great to see another FE character in Smash, but, while Corin makes the most sense, I’d much rather have seen a legacy character included. It’s just that there aren’t any really standout character, as far as popularity outside the series fans, or some character that could be a unique smash character, as all the sword characters are the best known ones. I will admit, Corin does look quite fun to play as.
I had hoped for one of the villains. The Black Knight, Nergal, Ashnard, Lyon, they would have been different enough from anything else and are very well known.
Oh yeah. Completely forgot about the villains. The Black Knight would have been awesome, if they hadn’t already had a mii outfit for him. They just seem to like the lords. Too bad FE8’s not quite popular enough, as I’d love to see Ephraim join the fight with his lances and all.
That’d be better to have a FE4/5 character. Everyone forgot about Jugdral even though Seisen no Keifu was a bestseller (#2 best selling FE in Japan if I am not mistaken). Leif/Celice duo would be so great
I would totally play a Fire Emblem fighting game! It would be cool if it was in the style of Soul Caliber too! Or a Fire Emblem game in the style of Hyrule Warriors!
I can’t say I’m displeased, but even I can tell the number of Fire Emblem characters is too damn high. That said, the real bloat comes from Marth’s clone (who, to be fair, took very little effort to include) and semi-clone; if Corrin were #4 or 5, it’d be less jarring.
Despite the complaints about “sword characters”, Corrin hits on one of the few novel sword fighting styles left: someone who only uses a sword for part of their moveset rather than most of it. Now we just need dual swords and an iaijutsu master…
By the way, regarding the palette swaps of Corrin, does anyone have any idea what characters (if any in particular) the alternate colours are supposed to resemble?
Ugh, the filthy Ylissean DLCs strike back… Why are devs taliking about them even before the game is being released? More cash grabbing moves. Nintendo sure does follows the trends when it comes to money and questionable DLC practices.
And STILL no Jugdrali character.
Thank you GameXplain! :3
I gonna say, Wymslayers never seemed so deadly until now! Also, LOVE Aqua’s singing! Although, considering how important it seems from all the trailers we’ve seen, it should be! …I’m really happy we get the main theme song of Fates in Smash 4 (kinda wanted a stage too though…oh well)!
Also, Genei Ibun Roku #FE……more US info needed(and an English name)……NOW!
Well actually, people who data mined the game saw that there were 3 stages left! One’s Midgar, The other is Umbra Clocktower, and then we have one more left! So I think there’s gonna be a stage for the 3DS version only!
Oh yeah, I forgot there were 3 stage slots! Thanks for reminding me! I wonder what it could be?! (Maybe Something related to stuff that comes out in February or something we don’t expect…who knows):3
Well, the fact that Fates and Corrin in Smash are both in February, I do have a feeling it could be a new Fire Emblem stage for the 3DS version! Then there will be 2 FE stages in both versions! It could also just be a retuning stage, but my idea is more exciting! XD
If it’s a FE stage, perhaps it’ll be Castle Siege? I mean, that particular stage would fit both Ike (since from a standpoint it’s his home field) and Corrin (because of the very first teaser trailer taking place in an area that very much resembled that particular stage). SmashWiki also has a potrait of Castle Ostia, so this could also be Roy’s home field as well.
Alternatively, they could have Arena Ferox for the new guys (Lucina/Robin/Corrin) and Castle Siege for the veterans (Marth/Roy/Ike).
Yeah! I think Rena did a nice job on Aqua great work on her part. 🙂 I like the voices thus far, unsure who most of them are but looking forward to it nevertheless.
Oh gods, now I’m even more worried about the English dub for Fates. It’s okay from what many of us have seen thus far. To me, Ryoma, Xander, and Sakura sounded better in that cutscene in the Smash broadcast, while Elise doesn’t sound as obnoxious in the actual in-game cutscene. Strange. There are some that I like, Hinoka and Azura, and some that I’m not sure how to feel about yet, Takumi and Kaze. I’ll most likely stay with the English dub to see how everyone else in the game sounds, but I really hope there are some good young-sounding voice alternatives for the male avatar. That laugh had me cringing a little.
Yeah, I kinda wish that Sakura had a voice that made her sound younger, like in the Japanese version, because it just doesn’t suit her design. Other than that, Elise, Hinoka and Azura I think sound great, and Kaze is supposed to sound very polite to contrast his brother so I have no issues there, and I just can’t make up my mind about the others yet. I’m a bit scared to hear what Pieri’s English voice will sound like though!
Elie you’re doing a great job but maybe cut out any opinion/personal stuff like “we’ve been anxiously waiting” or “still exciting”? A lot of people don’t feel either way and a lot of people probably also aren’t fans of the whole spoil-everything-about-the-game-before-it-comes-out-West deal either (though to some extent that can’t be helped haha).
Just saying, whether you take my suggestion on professionalism is up to you.
Wow! I got the Japanese book because I thought they’d never bother releasing an English version… well, now I’ll have both! XD (Still, I really need to just learn Japanese…)
Meh, I’ll wait for Amazon to drop the price to around the $20 range. Wasn’t very fond of the art designs in this game, but I haven’t bought an FE art book since the Akaneia Memorial in 2010 so this is probably a decent opportunity if its cheap enough.
Meh, Hector would’ve been far better, but they need Advertisement in there so that they promote Fates. The whole dragon transformation thing for fighting is rather cool though.
Honestly I’d rather they named him just ‘Nil’ instead of Niles. Nil may remind FE fans of Nils, but Niles definitely reminds me of the brother from Frasier. Not exactly someone similar to Zero. Zero’s voice sounds very good for his character though, although we still haven’t heard it clearly yet, his tone struck me as extremely ‘him’.
Malig Knight is really bad though. I get it’s supposed to be a pun, but it’s not even a good one, and Malig looks really weird on it’s own. So far people have been making a lot of other suggestions, including calling the class “Revenant” or “Reven Knight”, and I really hope someone at Nintendo sees them because they’re miles better than Malig Knight. Even something like Undead Knight. Other than that the changed/altered names/classes look totally fine. I especially like Effie’s name, it’s a small change but very cute :3
Well written article! Really is interesting how FE was close to becoming a whole different thing. Guess the remakes did something good by keeping the games what they are.
I actually feel a bit sad that we couldn’t get another view on what Fire Emblem games could have become. The strategy games are fun (and I still play them a lot), but the game mechanics (weapon triangle and durability) would’ve been delightful to see on a “traditional” rpg setting. Granted, the battle mechanics would have to be tweaked for that to truly work, but still…
Apart from that, I believe that being able to play a Fire Emblem title “native”to the Wii U would enable a more organic experience, like the difference I experimented after playing The Sacred Stones and then Path of Radiance. I know the Wii graphical power had its share of making an impression (and just think how cool the spells and skills would look when cast/activated on the Wii U), but I’m thinking here of taking the DS and 3DS experiences to a whole new level.
It’d be cool if another FE console game came out, but I’m happy that at least the current handhelds are powerful enough to compete with the GC/Wii as well as having voice acting. I bought Path of Radiance new when it first came out, so it’s a shame it sold poorly and we may never get an HD FE.
Thinking of that, and Nintendo’s recent trend of remaking Zelda games in HD, we may have some hope of seeing PoR and/or RD remade in HD for the Wii U. Or at least a a Virtual Console version. Those two games really deserve it! (Keeping fingers crossed)
Now they’re cosplay advertising? You never did this with previous Fire Emblem games! You never did this with Eirika, Ike, Leif, Caeda and the most sexy and important of all, Marth. You know what I’m done. Forget it.
It’s all about timing. This is only the 2nd time Fire Emblem has been a Comiket and Fates is the most recent game to be released. Also, I think that’s a booth staff, not a cosplayer.
And of course there will be no music from Jugdral. I may be bitching a lot about the absence of Jugdrali stuff but it is the 25th birthday of the series for naga’s sake! They should be celebrating the whole series, and not only the trendy stuff. This is disrespectful to the people who worked on FE4 and 5 like Gunpei Yokoi and Shozou Kaga, and of course a big dissapointment.
The layout from the map is giving me FE4 feels…
“it’s extremely unlikely Ilyana and Stefan decided to abandon Tellius at any point in time.”
Well Stefan was a wanderer at heart and Ilyana would go to any lengths for a meal, I wouldn’t put it past them. Well, weren’t the other continents flooded? Unless the waters resided, I doubt they’d leave (well they wouldn’t really leave even if they did, no food there). But yeah, I know they’re probably placeholders anyways.
But, this was for Wii, what do they mean soaring development costs? It’s not like they were developing the game for a powerful and modern console.
Really sad this never came out; it would’ve been rather cool. Also sad that the Tellius series sold so badly and is the reason why we have the “crap” we have now. I mean, FE11-14 are still pretty fun in an NES-early SNES+Mobile Gaming type of way, but the Tellius games were pretty much the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay (disregarding some things like crap support system in RD). Considering that FE now HAS to cater to the mass audience crowd in order to be profitable, it’ll never be able to reach that high point ever again. Especially since development costs for Nintendo really will start rising once they start using more modern hardware for their next generation devices.
Sigh, oh well. It’s regrettable, but the games they release are still fun in their own way.
For someone who loves Fire Emblem so much (possibly my favorite video game series of all time), I’ve been very happy with all the Fire Emblem love (and [good] attention) this year! Fire Emblem Fates (Special Edition, please and thank you… :3) , Genei Ibun Roku #FE (I’m hyped for the game, it looks fun…just need to save up for a Wii U first…), Super Smash Bros DLC (welcoming Corrin with open-arms) , the list goes on. This year has been fun, hopefully 2016 will be even more so! (…And I’ll be able to start collecting Fire Emblem stuff now that I FINALLY got my 1’st Job!)
Also, 25 years of Fire Emblem is pretty amazing! Let’s go for 25 more!
People stopped complaining about the casualization because we’re tired of complaining. This is what they want to do with the series and we have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to accept it and move on. If you can deal with it then keep playing and if not, there are plenty of other SRPG series with good gameplay out there.
Anyway, next stop for the series is to have a multi-platform release with iOS and Android along with their next handheld. At this point, a mobile Fire Emblem game makes too much sense for them not to release one.
Unfortunately FE was quite unique in it’s execution, and my personal opinion is that turning FE into a more generic JRPG is worse for the series. I already discussed this with some other guy, but people can go elsewhere for JRPG’s with friendship solves world poverty and shitty gameplay. As you said there are other SRPG’s, but all of them have grinding. FE was the only one I could play as a roguelike, and it was one of the defining features of the series for me. So now that I lost that, where the fuck do I go to play something like FE if no one makes games like FE? But you know, I’m just an old fan of the series that’s willing to buy the game on name alone, I’m not the target audience. :^)
“Shitty gameplay”
If there’s one thing that’s actually received praise (and quite a bit of it), it’s FE14’s gameplay. Heck, that’s pretty much the whole reason I’m getting it
Then respect to you. All I see are waifufags who are sullying the good name of FE, but eh, I guess there are two sides of everything.
Although I was mainly referring to Awakening since I haven’t played Fates yet, it’s very difficult to pinpoint the depth of a strategy game through videos alone.
I can’t wait for the Nintendo Direct for the new year! Especially if it shows off some more voices~ Also excited about the possibility of a demo to tide us over till the release 🙂 Can’t wait to see what the New Year will bring us! 😀
Oh, and another cool (if not unexpected) fact: IGN included FE Fates in their 42 Big Games of 2016 video 🙂
This is really cool! FE is, of course, a strategy title first and foremost, but I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Intelligent Systems experiment with other genres from time-to-time.
“While you wince at the new names that you’ll have to get used to”
That seems like a surprisingly negative thing to put in, especially after you put both fanbases’ reactions to SMTXFE as “hmm-ing”. Really, most people seem to ambivalent or generally approve of the names; there are only a few who are extremely vocal in their dislike.
In general, I see author bias and misrepresentation; the arguments about FE Amie were concerning player pandering and selling out to *Otakus*, not casuals. And just because something’s optional doesn’t mean it is non-existent; it still effects the game when looking at things as a whole.
Sorry, the remark about the new names wasn’t meant to be anything serious. For the most part, I tried to keep the retrospective lighthearted, with a few tongue-in-cheek comments.
Huh, not sure I agree about your second paragraph. The stuff about being optional and selling out to casuals is referring to Phoenix Mode. Then when I talk about FE Amie, I even mention it’s very existence is important.
yeah, I wasn’t a fan of those comments either, haha. I think articles like these are better off sticking entirely to the facts, personally. no offense, Vincent.
For instance, the comment “Even though it was a completely optional setting that most fans probably wouldn’t even touch” indicates a strong opinion from the author that since a setting is optional, it shouldn’t be criticized. Ultimately it’s up to the author how they write their articles, but I’m not a fan of that.
(In this case, I happen to think that in general, a feature being ‘optional’ is no excuse whatsoever for the quality of the feature or the impact on the game and is pretty much just a cop-out to avoid criticism, but I also think that Phoenix Mode really isn’t worth getting upset over because the impact to the game is extremely minimal… ultimately though, that’s a different matter: I’d rather just not potentially piss off anyone by having any kind of opinion in such an article, haha.)
I don’t want a Fire Emblem on a home console as much as I want a Fire Emblem with strong traditional RPG influences. The ability to explore cities and routes in a world as rich and fantastical as FE would be amazing. There have been quite a few large-scale medieval RPGs, however we’ve never really seen what Nintendo’s take on it would be with their heavier emphasis on magic and less graphic violence.
This year started with many promising news for Fire Emblem, but it pretty much ended up in utter dissapointment at the end of the year.
It’s sad what IS is turning the franchise into and it’s even sadder that many old fans lose hope, while most new ones still have a wrong picture of the series.
Lol yeah, seems like the older fans have pretty much lost hope. I’m kind of too deep in to just quit myself, but I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy FE the way I did (or even close to it) ever again, haha. I think the series will probably just continue to be mediocre for me, and there’s not much I can do there, so I’m just going to move on with it. Now that I know where the series is going and have mostly come to terms with it, I’m done being bitter or the like: it’s time for people to either accept it or move on, I think.
(I still think a lot of the issues could have been resolved if Nintendo/IS just renamed the series to something else/made it a spin-off instead of part of the main series, but eh, whatcha gonna do. Fates being a spin-off would have helped older fans come to terms with it while letting it do its own thing–waifus and all–without as much backlash but rather a lot of the flexibility of a new IP, like the Persona spin-off/sub-series that eventually turned into its own thing.)
I’m still not willing to give the series up. It used to be so great, so seeing it turned into pervert heaven is horrible, but..
you know.. maybe they’ll get back on track again? It’d be a huge shame if they didn’t.
By the way, I really like the idea of them renaming the series in future titles, in case they continue making the games how they’re now. Seems like a win-win to me.
I wouldn’t say that I’m mad at new-fans of the series but moreover just agitated. Granted they can’t really play the previous games unless they shell out some money, but at the very least they need to somehow experience how the games were beforehand. Hell, that’s why I said a reboot of one of the previous GBA titles would do some good, but in a more modern fashion (FE7 would still be the perfect choice for this). Because I’m honestly thinking how they can top a new FE game to have more features than Fates does. The only thing I can think of is literally make your avatar speeches VN-style and give them choices of dialogue, which impact the way the story goes to a good degree (and I don’t mean just change conversations slightly, I mean actually have your decisions impact the story). But I guess as they say for the newer fans that are all “Waifu-this Husbando-that”, ignorance is bliss.
That being said, the older fans need to chill. At this point you’re all just going to be weeded out of the target audience even further because clearly you’re not being catered to. FE has to evolve in order to continue to survive. If Awakening and Fates were similar to a T to what the GBA and other games were….than a whole lot of people wouldn’t have played it. “But they’re ruining FE names~!!!” -_- Well they’re not so much ruining but just being annoying about it. If anything its cringe worthy when people don’t know who Hector is and base their prior-knowledge of FE on Smash. But that’s them and honestly if new fans bother you so much then the solution is just to not go on anything comment-based about Fire Emblem. Hell, I would say just quit the series in-of itself if you have so many issues with it.
Moral of this story, it’s weird being a long-time fan that doesn’t really have anything against current FE. Hell, its still one of my favorite series and it’ll take some drastic shit for me to not like it anymore.
Old People: Take the sticks out of your butts
New People: There’s more to FE than SMASH and Awakening
I dont think it’s weird. I’m a long time fan and I love everything they’ve done so far ‘cept maybe a few nitpicks here and there. Judging by how fast the SE of fates sold I’d say most fans are cool too. Complaints will always just seem more vocal on the internet though since 1. it’s the Internet… 2. it gives people with a bone to pick a small (if false) sense of control and 3. there’s not much to scream about if you’re cool with things already.
The most important thing is to just vote with your wallet. In our free market society that’s ultimately what companies listen to. Hell it’s ultimately what saved this series. What other people think of the series should have little impact on your own enjoyment.
voting with your wallet is a super flawed if not stupid concept IMO, because you don’t get to decide what you vote for: it’s completely up to the interpretation of the companies. not buying Fates, for instance, might just come off as “you don’t want more FE”–it doesn’t say “I want FE, but not this kind of FE”. likewise, buying it doesn’t necessarily say “I am just supporting this in hopes of the next games being better”, it will probably be interpreted as “I am buying this because I want more”. not sure you can call it “voting” when you don’t even get to say what you’re voting for.
Well it’s unfortunate but guess what, you are the consumer. You are not the one working 12 hours a day for a year or two to make virtual entertainment for a bunch of random dudes with disposable income to enjoy or whine about. If you want something a bit different then the best thing you can do is try and offer feedback to the company, and see if enough people want the same thing to react. If you feel something is really really wrong then just don’t offer that company your credit for their product. Hell I thought the latest Battlefront looked real rubbish so I just chose not reward EA for it. I can understand if others want to though, I just won’t be a part of it.
If you want something that matches your exact specific tastes however, then sorry, you either have to wait until you luck out and something exact comes along or make your own exact game. I actually respect both options. But that’s how this world works. You either like something enough that you work or pay for it or you don’t. No one in this world owes you your dream game. In this instant gratification world it seems like everyone feels entitled to one, but nothing in this world is that easy.
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Personally, I’m not really against the current Fire Emblem (minus a few nit-picks). All I care about is that while they (as in Intelligent Systems) may want to evolve the series, they just need to make sure that they don’t make Fire Emblem lose it’s true identity. As long as the core aspects that make up Fire Emblem don’t change, I’ll be fine with it.
That water dragon would’ve been awesome to defeat… I suppose I’m a little angry that they didn’t use the DS remake to try and finally implement their original ideas (and give the characters support conversations… and less ghost-like mugshots… and personality… *ahem*).
I find it interesting how Greco-Roman a lot of the character designs in this first version of Shad Dragon were. (Could anybody care to explain why Marth went into a warzone… with no pants on? I’ve seen Pegasus Knights better protected… in fact Caeda *is* better protected here!) In this way, it fits in with the chronology of Arkaneia/Ylisse. If FE1 happened in the equivalent of 500BC than FE13 happened around 1500, which looks about right for both game’s original designs.
Dang, Radiant Dawn remains my favorite Fire Emblem game (other than the lack of support convos). As much as I like the handheld games, I was hoping for more console FE games similar to Radiant Dawn.
Looking at the old class concepts, the center middle row class is definitely called トレーナー “Trainer”, and was probably a predecessor of the Wyvern Rider/Dracoknight class line.
Middle left really looks to me like the class is called バツグル “BATSUGURU” from close examination. That might still be wrong, though, and even if it was right I don’t actually know what that means. The class design itself kinda reminds me of a mixture between a Dread Fighter and a Barbarian/Brigand. Interestingly, it appears to be wielding clubs, which only just recently made it into the series as an actual usable weapon type. Even considering that, the clubs this class is dual-wielding look far cruder and more barbaric than the kanabo that are used in Fates.
It took me a while to figure out the one on the middle right. It looks like it could either be ルナハン “Runahan” (a real surname apparently), or, more likely, ルカイン “RUKAIN”, in which case I don’t know what the correct translation would be.
As an aside, the drawing here combined with what the kana looks like really makes me think that this particular concept art is of a single specific character, rather than a general class as the rest seem to be. The character design really reminds me a lot of Zephiel, too… I can’t help but wonder if they could possibly have reused a character design from that far back when Binding Blade’s development came around.
These are just my (probably bad) attempts at reading these, though. If anyone who knows better (and/or who has any idea what
バツグル or ルカイン might be intended to be) wants to make corrections, I’d welcome the clarity!
hello. I’m trying to get onto the chat in the forums can i had a question regarding FE4. it won’t let me connect and I’ve tried connecting a few times which i believe it shows up in chat. it kicked me out. is there some kind of alternative chat like a chatango site? thank you
…It’s Cipher 0 art badges.
I can make out the previously stated Elincia, but the rest I’m not so sure on (and don’t feel like comparing them with card art to find out).
You should still receive them. The only way to know for sure is to look up your order info and on the order info page it will list the charge for the game and under that on next line it will have the key chains. I ordered the day of the nintendo direct and mine shows the key chains in the order.
Both games are listed on the site as having the keychains as a bonus. I tried pre-ordering only Birthright, and they’re even listed on the order confirmation alongside the game. The phrasing on that image appears to be a mistake (unless it’s the site that’s faulty).
I’m honestly hoping for more DLC classes in the game – even if no more are coded in currently or at all, or even like a Fire Emblem series of Amiibo that detail the protagonists and antagonists, aside from the dragon bosses, though that would be cool too. Just an entire wave of units that you could train in Fates, but most of all, I want a Chrom based off of the one in Genei Ibun Roku #FE, like a Chrom Amiibo, and he has a special class that’s similar to the Dread Fighter of Awakening, and Great Lord. Imagine it, a class for Chrom that mixes his actually pretty good Magic Stat (48 w/ Limit Breaker in Awakening as a Dread Fighter), but also utilizes Swords and Lances.
Using Homebrew (specifically HANS), you can mod games you own, without needing to resort to piracy. While I would recommend the official English version, everyone’s entitled to their own choice.
You don’t need to pirate to import, HANS is a very effective system I’ve used to play hacks of ORAS.
With that said, I highly doubt NoA would be dumb enough to censor too much outside toning down the amie dialogue a bit. they got too much hell from censoring Tharja’s butt to try that again
I would’ve imported Fates since my 3ds has homebrew and Hans, but I heard you need to be below a particular version of your system and needed Ninjahax for something… It’s to technical for me. :/
At first was theorizing that it might be to allow the west to gain access to cipher units, but since I kept reading and saw that some skills are currently unobtainable, it does seem likely there will be more DLC. odd that they waited this long though
If you look carefully, you can notice there’s also french text on the boxart ( “Jeux Fire Emblem Fates vendus séparément.”, “édition Fire Emblem Fates” with a capital “é”, and another one on the bottom left of the box )
Looks like they’re planning to release it in Europe too, but I’ve already got a MH4U n3DS XL and the packaging is vertical, not horizontal.
But my japanese n3DS Fire Emblem if has the horizontal packaging too, so it’s weird… Maybe it’s the way Nintendo do them now?
I really hope it get released here ! I’ll buy it on the spot with the Special Edition… [Credit Card intensifies]
My money went to the special edition that became available for presale today in my local store, so im not getting that console lol…still….the design needs more work in my opinion, too plain
Despite my reservations against Awakening, I bought all the DLC essentially doubling the price for the entire game. The DLC was…pretty ridiculously crappy now that I think about it, but oh well. I don’t think I’ll be wasting money on shoddily thrown together DLC this time, especially since I’m already paying so much to get the full version of the game on one cart (the LE).
Thanks for translating the Japanese version’s text! I was curious about that.
I agree be was probably an NPC or something of the like. It does say that the roster lists “story characters”, not ” playable characters” or “units”, so that may be a leftover from when Hubba was on there.
Who’d ever though that he’d be going Gotoh.
*laughs*
Though Anna has been around much longer, she doesn’t do any fortune telling when she’d be a real potent one for her longer experience around the universe.
In regards to the skinship censorship, err on the side of caution when reporting on it; the direct quote from Nintendo has no proper context, and could be Kotaku misinterpreting or misrepresenting what was said… both things that Kotaku is very frequently known to do.
It looks like Nintendo has started sending responses to those who asked about it, and it is out. Here’s a screenshot of the message I received this morning: http://postimg.org/image/6u2m77dwr/
Well people have found previous videos with the treehouse that has a ! above it, which indicated that the skinship cool down had expired. so either A: they removed it recently B: it was replaced with a new feature, or far more likely, C: Kotaku lying for clicks… again.
How odd, his class is listed 妖狐 (youko) (in Famitsu anyway, II’ll have to check the game again, but I assume they’re right) which is just another way to refer to Fox Spirit. Wondering where Youkai came from. xD
EDIT: Checked his profile too! It’s also 妖狐 (youko), so will inform Vincent. : )
Then remove the percentage that doesn’t keep up with minor details like these (probably a whole lot; over 50%).
Then remove the percentage that isn’t actually bothered by this news.
Then remove the percentage that isn’t bothered enough and dogmatic enough to boycott the game on mere principle.
Then compare that remaining population to the potential population that would be lost due to the negative publicity of these features and/or the hassle of potentially receiving an M rating.
It’s unfortunate to see something get outright removed, but regardless of anyone’s personal preference, the reasoning checks out. It’s just a pity that it had to happen in this…political climate. It’s getting to the point where the kind of routine localization changes nobody paid attention to 3 years ago are going to be blown out of proportion just so people can keep getting mad.
I am against censorship, and I am greatly disappointed to see the removal of a feature with potentially no replacement. but my wish to play the game outweighs my disappointment. I’ll still get the game, but as of recent years I’ve been less and less of a fan of Nintendo.
A lot of these things I’m… ok? with? I’ll still say Tsubaki just because I end up naturally saying tsu when I’m saying a japanese anyway… but Saizo without a U just looks really dumb to me. Ryouma to Ryoma and stuff like that I can live with. I can even live with rinkah getting an extra H. But Saizo by itself looks… short. Cut off almost.
The only other thing that bothers me is the fact that Kaden is on the hoshido side, so it makes sense for him to have a japanese looking name. The name Kaden… isn’t.
I liked the name eastern heart over camaraderie because it sounds better and more hoshidan to me (also probably because I couldn’t spell camaraderie without looking at it, which is not normal for me), but I’m not too bitter about it.
So sad about the Skinship feature… I really hope there’s still hope and that they will “”just”” change some dialogues in it and stuff but not remove it completely. It really would be unfair !
Im not going to lie, seeing the removal of the skinship feature is kind of saddening.. Im not so mad that the skinship feature itself might be removed but my thing is, like is there no way they can just censor the dialogue? To me I see no reason why a whole feature should be terminated but I mean hey that’s just my opinion…. It sort of just feels like were getting “part’ of the game…. Plus RIP me trying to train my mind to say the english names instead of the Japanese ones ;_;
Apparently murder,incest,corruption,suicide etc are ok for this game; but rubbing the face of animated characters is where NOA draws the line.
Honestly don’t even care about the amie thing, but to cut even content like that from the game is ridiculous. Why should we get a watered down version of a game.
The optional meme is done dude. It’s even proven, in text above, that it’s used to get the better weaponry and items. It’s not really optional when you play harder difficulties.
Censorship is one thing. But I’m talking about the optional argument. It’s been done to death and it’s like saying, because one game is made up of optional content, you then can’t judge it as a whole.
If the content is not optional and thus integral then cutting it would be an even worse offense, since I am now objectively paying for an incomplete game.
If the content was optional (which from what I’ve seen of the plays, it seems to be since there’s many ways of obtaining items and supports) then it remains just a rather inane censoring of a minor silly feature.
If it’s such an offence then why is IS taking this so lightly. Why was it removed if it’s so insulting, but IS said “Ok, you can remove that content”? That’s localization. What does IS have to say about this?
I’m not sure you know. While I understand where you’re coming from (and I respect your view to original creators), do you know why the petting was added? Because, Awakening created an accident fanbase all about the waifu’s and etc. and IS got a lot of money because of it. Why do you think petting was put in the first place, for money, not respect or moral art. This is the gaming industry. Did you seriously think petting would be put in and everything would go hunky dory?
“You took out my petting, I’m insulted.” Really? … … Really? Aren’t we grown men?
You’re putting words in my mouth. I do not care for the petting itself that much personally, but that has little to do with the issue I was addressing. I was addressing your claim that the petting minigame was not optional. If that were the case, then that would be a serious issue. That means you cannot complete that game without it and NoA just sold you an incomplete game. Thankfully that does not seem to be the case.
Maybe you meant to say that the minigame was consequential. Something can be both optional and consequential at the same time. They are two different spectrums.
The petting minigame is both. There are tangible rewards and benefit to it (items, support points) thus consequential. But you do not NEED to use it to beat the game (you can grind, use My Castle etc.) thus optional.
On the flipside, something can be mandatory or integral and inconsequential at the same time. Like a cut scene for example. Ok sure you can skip it, but you have to at least go by it before completing the game, thus mandatory. But you do not usually gain any rewards or benefits from it, thus inconsequential.
You’re right. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to put it that way.
Consequential? Idk, maybe. This feature only gives you rare items and support bonuses, but whether they’re optional or not, it can’t be said as an excuse. Sometimes, optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not, whether you miss out on anything or otherwise.
True, it’s not needed to beat the game, but it bleeds into other core aspect of the game. Here it’s the support. It’s there to either be used or not to be used for your ‘run’, and whether you use it or not will determine if everything will go smoothly and easily or just outrageously hard. It’s outbalanced. Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.
“I’m playing Nohr on the hardest difficulty, I can’t grind, I can’t beat it.”
“Have you tried the face touching feature?”
“Yeah, about that…”
If you don’t use it, you’re being penalized for having taste, gameplay wise and game time wise.
See now you’re just contradicting yourself for the sake of argument.
“optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not.” “Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.”
So is it or is it not optional? And the second quote is patently false. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to maximize every stat and feature imaginable. That is your prerogative. The definition of an option is something you do not need to complete something else but can if you choose. Difficulty is irrelevant. And even if it was, I’ve seen videos of Nohr playthroughs that “run smoothly” without having to touch anyones face, so I dont know where you get that “smooth with/impossible without” dichotomy from.
Look I get that you think it is an important feature. That is a perfectly fine opinion to have. But you can’t claim that “optional is a meme” to support your claims. That is just flat false, and hurts your position more than helps.
You missed my point by nitpicking not all of my full sentence. Good optional is something you can decide on that doesn’t effect the games entirly. Nothing dramatic changed and can easily be ignored.
Borderlands has so many guns, their optional. If your not happy with the guns you find and your happy with the ones you’re using, it’s okay, cause you can manipulate this optional for better optional mechanic. Sell the guns for money.
Bad optional content is when it’s obviously optional, but really… you end up needing it.
I’m going to assume you played Awakening, Lunatic+, Classic mode. I’m sure you know this was claimed as a bitch. You’re forced to use everything optional. Marriage Supports, Grinding, etc. They’re even back in fates, optional, and yet now bleeded into core aspects of the game, which means anyone who plays this game is going to use them, either they like or not.
Now I don’t care if you’ve seen ‘runs’ of Nohr. Because you still haven’t played it. You can’t say it’s easy until you can have the experience, which means I’m not listening to your opinion. Especially when people have said it is hard and that it’s difficulty ramps up to almost Tharcia 779, one of the hardest of FE games.
The reason why it’s a meme is because it’s used to deflect arguments, instead of using it as a positive.
I’m curious if you’ve played this game yet yourself if you’re so quick to dismiss someone else for their lack of hands-on experience. I never made any claims of ‘easiness’ either, I only said I’ve seen it done without much issue without using the minigame. See you keep making claims like it’s ‘never optional’ or ‘anyone who plays’ has to use the function. What about the vast majority of the people who don’t do Lunatic+ runs? Can they not finish the game without it? And if it’s such a necessity why was it cut? That means no one can finish the game without it now.
I get that you don’t like the petting minigame, I’m not huge on it myself, but you can’t just deflect the argument yourself that it was an optional feature by just saying it’s a ‘meme’. You can argue that it’s ‘good or bad’ optional, that’s a valid opinion, but you can’t just outright say it’s not an option.
Once again, I don’t need Nintendo of America deciding whats in my localized version of the game. If I don’t want it I wont use it. Nintendo should have no say in cutting out content for certain countries. Thats what we call censorship. Being a “grown man” has nothing to do with them cutting it. In fact its because I’m a grown man that I don’t need them to cherrypick shit out for my “benefit”, if its good enough for Japan its good enough for the rest of the world, to say otherwise is wrong especially since I’m the consumer, giving MY money. Its wrong and nothing you say is gonna change our minds about it.
Nothing will change your minds? That’s actually a good strong belief. But, you people can say “Pre-order cancelled, not getting it anymore.” Your loss. Hey, I didn’t want the petting feature to begin with and thought I wasn’t getting my money’s worth, yet I’m still waiting for release. Now people get thrown on to the same people who didn’t have much content whether it was there or not, and complain there isn’t enough content for their purchase. Welcome to the real world.
You know you can be staunchly opposed to censorship and still look forward to the game right? Like I didn’t care about petting that much in the first place, so I will still purchase and enjoy the game. But the fact that Nintendo of America still seems to see it’s consumers as puritanical children who need to be protected from other cultures is kind of a worrying trend that should be discussed. I don’t think you can just say ‘well I didn’t like a cut feature, so who cares.’ That sets a precedent that consumers will just take whatever changes a publisher makes without a second thought.
Wow the world is so black and white to you. You think any a complaint is large enough to not still buy it in your eyes it would seem. But I will tell you at some point if this censorship goes beyond my tolerance I will simply not buy Fire Emblems Anymore. As it stands I don’t give a flying fuck about petting, and am opposed to its cut on principle. As for that SJW bullshit in regards to one Support Conversation I am opposed to personally. It being removed because some retards mistranslated and misinterpreted the conversation and NOA editing it for that group pisses me off. Let them not buy the game if they are so opposed and leave the rest of us have the intact product.
Really Franchezco you need to stop caring what I’m complaining about because they are legitimate concerns and because YOU think the argument is tired doesn’t matter one bit into anyone’s mind except your own. News flash you can’t judge a whole without its optional parts. Is that clear enough for you? Thats what started this and now your arguing for the sake of argument.
I agree, that the whole localization matter can be taken to far. I mean, really… Fatal Frame. Digital Copy only… real stupid.
But just because something is optional, it’s above critique? That’s what you think?
You buy a burger with a side of fries, and the fries are burnt and disgusting, but it’s okay, their optional, I can’t judge the fast food store for making my food bad when I payed for it and expect quality.
Thankfully they got rid of Pokemon petting. Content or not, it is not an idea that translates well outside of Japan, and if this game wants to be taken seriously then it made a step in the right direction.
Pre-ordered the game because of the skinship with them waifus ._. now that it is possible it will be taken out, I’m still gonna get it for the S supports. XD
Okay, so Vocaloid can get away with letting the player pet the Vocaloids in Project Diva F and Project Diva F 2nd in the west, but Fire Emblem can’t? Maybe Nintendo of North America is more uptight about these sorts of things than the North American branch of Sony or even Sega for that matter. I’m not really mad that it’s been removed, just kind of baffled since another Teen rated game already did something rather similar in the west…
Also I’m gonna take anything Kotaku says with a grain of salt. Scratch that, an entire salt mine. A very salty salt mine. I’ll need all that salt if it ends up true.
Little things. You have to remember FE:A brought a lot of newer fans, especially those not versed in Japanese name pronunciations. The idea I think is that long time fans wont care so long as they get a translation and newcomers don’t care at all.
For the iteration that doubled down on the creepy waifu/husbando stuff it sort of makes no sense that they may remove those features…then again Kotaku
Also were those name changes really necessary? And where’s my EU release date >.<
That’s it Nintendo. I’m done. I’ll remember the good times we had, but until you start put the customer first again. I’m done. First Fatal Frame and now this? They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
I’ve made it through a LOT of Fire Emblem games without ever having to rub anyone’s face, so I think I’ll be just fine. For all the added relationship stuff, Fire Emblem is still a turn-based battle strategy game for me, and I’d rather all supports be handled during combat: proximity, teaming up, sacrificing an attack to hold a conversation, etc. Face rubbing just seems like lazy development to me.
Precisely. The direction the series is taking is quite detestable imo. Sadly, seeing how successful Awakening was to non-FE fans, I fear the waifus, shitty FFTA grinding and overpriced DLC are here to stay.
Well, I’m not quite at “detestable.” What I love about FE is largely still intact (battle system and story/characters). I also felt the DLC in Awakening was well worth it, so we’ll see if I feel the same after Fates. My fear with things like face rubbing and amiibo support and training castles is that they’ll muddy the core mechanics and start to interfere with the experience as a whole. I guess it’s a risk we have to take in order to maintain the widespread appeal necessary to keep the series running.
I’d rather not start an argument here since we do agree somewhat on a few things, but I could argue for days how the battle system and characters in Awakening are far inferior to that of the previous entries in the series. However… Eh, screw it, it’s not like I have anything better to do lol.
Awakening is a decent game, but is frankly one of the worst the series has to offer. The actual strategy component of the game is extremely lackluster as the map and unit diversity is at an all time low. You barely need to think about what you’re doing unless you’re playing the horribly imbalanced Lunatic or Lunatic+ difficulties, and those are just there to toss absurd numbers at you. Rushdown strategies can win literally any battle in Awakening with no repercussions, something that was never possible in the earlier games because you would always miss out on a unit or item and possibly lose units because the map structure favors the enemy.
It’s open fields and empty castles all the way to the end of Awakening. This alone rips most of the strategy out of the game.
That said, I DO respect that other people enjoy the game. I understand that some people just want a fun game to play once in a while, but I am way more hardcore about Fire Emblem than most people. That’s the reason I was severely disappointed in Awakening and what Fates is building on.
You’re right about lackluster maps. I attributed the relative ease to the ability to level up characters well beyond the enemy (I finished the final battle in three turns!), but the maps were less inspired than in the past. Perhaps it’s the combo of those two–along with all the DLC–that made Awakening the first Fire Emblem game I had no desire to play through more than once. Of course, that’s kind of the point of DLC…to give you something more to do than a New Game +.
I get why they want to remove the drugging scene, but Tharja was hexing people against their will all the time and no one cared. (And I really think it’s beyond ridiculous to think of the support chain as conversion therapy.)
SJWs taking everything out of hand as usual. Converting what good they could doing by targeting the those of us who don’t want every little thing censored.
Rep Quote from the Kotaku Article:
“Yes, that is the case [that petting isn’t in the English version]. You might have heaerd somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.”
Yeah, that’s kinda vague with no context. Sounded like he was asked if you’ll be cutting inappropriate stuff like petting people in the english version, and was like “Sure, but you were never really inappropriately ‘petting’ people jn the first place.”
My best guess is maybe you’ll just get the Live3D portrait cutscene with limited or without the touch screen aspect. It would be really baffling to me to cut wholesale models from the data just for the few people sensitive to it. I’ve seen stranger though I guess.
And yeah
>Gawker Media website
>any shred of credibility or integrity
While possibly just a generic statement due to being someone way lower on the ladder, it brings up the question of, if Nintendo isn’t being public about it, why would they tell Kotaku? and why was only Kotaku told?
Well from the looks of the actual quote itself, it seems like the writer asked his source specifically if features like touching faces were cut, to which he gave an answer that was basically “Yes, but your question was flawed.”
The bigger question now remains how reliable the source is, and what the context of the question was since only a vague answer was provided.
Though I am disappointed with the American localization stripping a lot of the original features such as Skinship, in the end we have to remember that Fire Emblem is a turned-based strategy game as it always has been, with things such as these being an extra flair to encourage a larger demographic into the series. But despite all that, in my point of view, there is a tremendous leap into “open-mindedness” with these localization with this game sorta pioneering it or at least following the trend. Like same-sex marriage seems to still an option, as well as incestual themes. Something not a lot of games like to cover due to the potential of a controversy, which we have seen Fates faced.
Regarding Soleil, i’m quite interested on how her supports are going to go. I originally planned to S-support her a while back, and i’m even more interested to see what changes they made with her. With hopes they didn’t completely butcher it.
I agree with the Soleil decision; gay conversion debate aside, I just think it’s a good idea to remove a conversation that shows her being essentially “drugged” by Corrin. (side note: She should have been bisexual, dammit. I wanted to romance her.)
As for the petting, I’m a little disappointed about it being removed, if true. It helped build up supports in Nohr route. D:
“Laslow and Benny” sounds like the name of another bad children’s cartoon. But it’s impossible for me to hear the name Benny without thinking of Benny Hill, so that’ll make for some unintentional comedy.
I think Benny is actually a pretty cute name, and I was very worried about what they’d rename him so I’m glad to see it was something like this. Laslow…I got nothing xp
Actually, I think him being named Benoit might fit his character pretty well 😉 When I first read it, I thought “Maybe his name is Benoit still, he just tells everyong to call him Benny because he thinks it makes him look less intimidating” which seems like a thing Benoit would do x3 I actually wondered why they changed it, but appearently Benoit is also the last name of a wrestler who killed his family. In that case I think it’s fair it was changed, and Benny isn’t too bad.
Hey guys, so in case there is any doubt at all, I can confirm skinship is out. I just got this from Nintendo:
“Hello,
The Nintendo of America versions of Fire Emblem: Fates (Conquest, Birthright, and Revelation) have been changed to not include the ability to touch various body parts to improve the relationships between the player and in-game characters. When we localize a game, we do so in order to make it appropriate for that particular territory. All our choices were made from that point of view. We want to assure you that your comments will be added to our records for this game and will be made available for other departments at the company to review and thoughtfully consider.
I’m just hoping you can still view the live3D models somehow. I really don’t care about the touching faces part, but it just seems like such a waste of resources to remove so many detailed renderings in a game for such an asinine reason as ‘appropriateness’.
That’s really my line-in-the-sand with censorship. Edit a costume or photo or some small detail, fine I get it, it’s a different culture blah blah. But cutting access to significant content, well that’s when my cogs really start grinding.
Sorry if this counts as a spoiler, but at the very least, the Live2D models are used for confession scenes instead of the static CG used in Awakening, if that helps?
Eh I guess it’ll do for now. That’s still a limited set of animations compared to the previous amount, but I’ve made my peace with the decision. I knew I was probably getting an altered version in the first place, but I just wish NoA would one day stop acting like it’s serving the kids table of video games.
Guys take the amie thing with a grain of salt, kotaku is an unreliable source. I’ve seen very many posts saying “yes it is” “no its not” wait until the game is released to the public before making a big fuss over it
Haven’t played Fire Emblem in about four or five years, but I randomly visited the site for some unknown reason and the first thing I see is that Nintendo of America is up to their old shenanigans again.
If Smash is getting this many FE reps, the series itself may go in a direction that can be on par with Pokemon. Japan will be getting them on the 4th! ^_^ http://www.smashbros.com/jp/dlc/index.html
Honestly, I don’t want Fire Emblem to ever become a ‘big series’. If it will, it has to appease the mainstream which means we will get even more waifushit. Seisen no Keifu handled the marriage system quite well but Awakening and Fates has the problem of making everyone able to marry everyone, which makes the relationships feel very weak and fabricated imo.
IS should just do a SMT and Persona thing with FE.
Well, if there’s one thing I’ve learned from all of this, it’s that a lot of you are REALLY passionate about petting people’s faces…and that there’s some confusion out there about the difference between censorship and editing for content.
In fairness I don’t think it’s just about the petting. People were also worried that they wouldn’t get to see the Live2D models as much (since even with the confession scenes you’d only really get to see it once per playthrough unless you really liked grinding support points), and the minigame had a lot of dialogue, including a fair amount that fleshed out the characters and has been said to include the majority of the VA, that people also didn’t want to miss out on. Many were also worried that that had been removed along with the minigame. However so far, we don’t know if those are out, although we don’t know if those are still in either. We really just have to wait until someone shows it off in-game.
If the support conversations are lost, then I’ll share their disappointment, yes. Character development is one of the my favorite aspects of the series, after all. I’m just glad I won’t have to virtually pet anyone’s virtual face in order to see them…assuming they’re still there.
I agree that character development is one of my favourite aspects, and also I feel one of the most important. With so many characters, and a few who’s personalities boil down to a few traits, any development is very welcome and really helps you to actually conntect with these characters. It can also help with supports…I’ve already read one person saying that the minigame lines really fleshed out the two gay marriage candidates, since otherwise their supports were a bit lacking. You also lose out on some very important information about characters. So, hopefully, that’s still in, or they’ve at least found a way to include that information elsewhere in the game.
A good point is the fact that you need to play the game to see the lines, which admittedly is an issue for those who are uncomfortable with the minigame, and perhaps makes it a bit less ‘optional’. Maybe it would have been better if there was a toggle for turning the petting on and off, so you could do it if you wanted or, if you didn’t could just press a ‘next’ or ‘skip’ button and get the ending dialogue and bonuses and items or whatever. That way you still won’t miss anything, but you wouldn’t have to engage in the actual minigame. I’m actually hoping that’s what they do here, keep the models and voice lines and etc., but just don’t have you needing to pet the character to get them, since we know that’s out. Of course, as to what they’ll actually do we still have no idea.
In short, I think it would just be very unfortunate if they ‘threw the bucket out with the bath water’ as it were, and throw out a lot of great resources, lines, and character development while trying to get rid of one controversial minigame.
“Gameplay tips will appear in the game (note: because of the high level of difficulty)” Depending on what kind of tips these are, that could be pretty interesting. Maybe this game will make me a better player. Looking forward to when it comes out, and hoping for some kind of translation.
Would it be easier with a picture gallery to view all the submission in one page? It’s tiring to open many tabs just to compare and becoming tedious to scroll down the picture in the forum. :/ By the way, good luck for participants!
If they were going to keep the character models with dialogue and them blushing, they should have just kept the skinship but made it skipable if you just wanted the bonus for it.
Well, even if you can’t touch the imouto, it’s something. Still feel burned about NA’s skinship game being nerfed, but we’ve got the more important conversations and bonuses intact. Except for Niles telling you he’s gonna do some spelunking, of course.
Also Live2D animations look janky as ever. Sakura’s gonna fling herself out of frame if things continue at that pace.
This was the most realistic and best case scenerio as to what they would do with the skinship minigame once it was confirmed touching was out, so I’m very happy! It’s especially nice to know the lines are fully voiced. I wish Nintendo had just explained this was what they were going to do, I feel like it’d have mitigated at least some of the controversy. Stll, happy to see this is what they went with!
At least its not GONE. Even though i am disappointed you cant touch them/interact with the characters more, it can also be argued, that you still enjoy the scene, and it takes less work than there needs to be (its like 5-60 seconds less, depending on if your a pervert and want to take a long time instead of doing it normally).
Yeah, I can live with it. Since the visuals and dialogue are not outright cut, there’s not much to cry over.
Still, it’s silly for the localization team to raise such a hubbub over tapping your stylus on a character’s face. Can’t have the kids playing this game have any funny feelings!
I blame Kotaku and the overall blogging era of news updates. If this had been like 10 years ago no one would have learned about the changes til the game dropped. Now every little rumor and tidbit is scrutinized and turned into a headline for those juicy clicks.
Except that fade in/out with the line of dialogue was already there along with the petting in the Japanese version, and the petting included moans and gasps and all sorts of lewd things. Plus the lines of dialogue in the English version have likely been altered to a degree where they aren’t nearly as lewd as they are in the Japanese version. Honestly I think this was the overall best outcome when concerning the removal of skinship, I personally wouldn’t have minded the petting but I’m just happy they kept in the dialogue and Live 2D models.
Agreed on all points. A lot of fans were concerned they’d do a fade to black to hide the skinship (as in, character enters room, fade to black, ‘Your relationship has strengthened!’, character leaves your room) which would definitely have major controversial implications, especially when you consider it also gives the character a stat boost for the next battle x3 The way they did it doesn’t imply there was anything untoward going on at all. If anything it looks like the characters just had a discussion, albeit a quick one.
Realistically speaking, im glad they went with a compromise rather than just outright taking it out. Even if there is no “tapping” we still get the models and scenes so i mean thats all i really cared about.. it kinda sucks that we are getting a nerfed version of it but in the grand scheme of the whole game i doubt it will be that big of a deal now… and umm felicia….hahaha….
Is it still like in Awakening where you have to marry every character to get the full experience? While I didn’t care much for that game, I still put a good 80h in it in total, which even then makes it my least played FE. Supports aren’t as helpful stat-wise as they used to be and I don’t want to think about shipping characters to recruit their child. I guess I could ignore shipping completely but I don’t particularly care for the whole marriage thing and children in general.
I still need to go back to seisen no keifu and start over since i’m kinda screwed out of hanibel or whatever his name was since the child who got the sleep staff Couldn’t use staves. I think most of the games are better than awakening, especially storywise, awakening was very weak in that department.
And yes it is still like awakening in that regard. It seemed to be a major selling feature for fire emblem awakening which was originally going to be last fire emblem if it didn’t sell well. so i guess they decided to continue with it.
But yeah i too miss the old fire emblems that made you think and didn’t give you the option to let units come back next battle and having actual bosses and not those generic leaders in awakening.
Glad to see that there are still some sensible people left in this fandom, the majority seems to be sold into “The Awakening Delusion”.
You should get back to it for sure, both Seisen no Keifu and Thracia 776 are brilliant. To me Thracia is slightly better, partly because it introduced some series staples. Fog of War, rescue command (100x better than pair-up), as well as a fatigue system (wish it would appear in future titles).
Eh, like most everyone else, I didn’t think Awakening was anywhere near as good as the other games. I thought that the game was solid, but definitely the weakest entry (Shadow Dragon gets a pass because it’s a straight remake). I appreciate that they made it more marketable so as to continue the series, but the level of marketability does seem to be getting a bit too high.
Fair enough, you seem to understand that Awakening is shite compared to the others and that casualization does not only bring positives.
It’s a bit of a shame how it turned out, as I’m sure IS meant well with the game. Ultimately however, it became a bit too much of everything that wasn’t especially developed, and just put in for the “sake of being the last FE”. The marriage system is a good example of this.
So yeah, I don’t mind marriage if it’s well executed, but I find Awakening to fail in this aspect and several more.
Dude, that was one game. Which had substitute characters and no pandering (and before you bring up anything about incest, it was played for drama; not fetishism).
It’s extremely frustrating seeing people who haven’t touched FE4 talk about it matter-of-factly.
I wasn’t talking about it “matter-of-factly,” I was just pointing out that one of the FE of old had marriage and children as not only a major plot point, but actually THE major plot point.
Nice! If you manage to go, photos and a brief report of your experience would be nice (and maybe bribe the staff for an extra T-shirt). But of course remember to chill and have fun : )
Just asked and it seems like they’re imposing the limit on T-shirts, so we’ll have to see once I’m there. Otherwise I’m good for everything else so I’ll be back with the low-down next week, thanks!
Ugh, I’m getting antsy for the game. My body is extremely ready!! I don’t have a pre-order for the game, so I might either have to buy an eshop card or hope that my local Wal-mart has some copies left on the day of release.
It’s a shame I won’t be near Toronto on the 12th, because going to an FE event seems exciting.
Nice. Couldn’t be happier. The only aspects of this I was frustrated with losing were the support bonuses and awesome character models. Both of those things are still around, so I’m happy as a clam. The actual touching mini game was always pretty irrelevant for me, and honestly the localization team had no choice. Taking it out was the only sensible thing to do considering how weird it would be considered in western culture.
Lack of Dual Audio kinda sucks, since the dub seems… inconsistent, but I get that its probably more issue than its worth with the filesize and rights and whatnot.
Was still looking forward to the game either way. 2 weeks can’t go fast enough.
*Giggle*
It will be nice to see some photographs of these shirts after the trip. The beginning story of Fates gives it a good enough point to have Corrin struggle later in the critical decision.
we need this in us! I have some already but its kind of confusing in japanese and it would be much easier to purchase if it was here in the U.S. however at the very least we need an english version of the albums
Ah, two more weeks and I’ll be able to have a relaxing, casual romp through Fates’ three part story on Classic. It’ll be a nice break from actually strategizing in Tear Ring Saga.
Interesting to note the unused sea dragon class in FE3. Perhaps they intended to bring Neptune back for that (As book 2 expands upon the dragons in general) yet it still didn’t make the final cut.
The things that were in the beta version seems really interesting, especially the weapon triangle changes. The original chapter seemed interesting too, but FE:6 is very good as it is.
I’ve actually seen a lot of people on other sites saying this is such a dealbreaker that they will not buy it. I will obviously still buy and prob love it but this really bums me out (did not like the english dub in awakening). Hope they realize they are gonna lose sales with this.
Already pre-ordered Birthright digitally on the eShop. The game was more important than all the shit that got cut out. Not to mention I’d like the opportunity to hear, read, and play the game via dubs.
Well it’s also a deal breaker for me ,Bought Awekening and all their DLC an planned to do the same with this one but Now, It’s a Big NO, aparrently it’s too hard to ask a NoA the same experience and all of the content the Japanese had.
Before someone say, just import it, Region Lock, Nintendo don’t give you a easy Option here.
Really Dissapointed in Nintendo and how they communicate with some their customers.
any respect i had for them is lost, by their recent behavior and stance with the Censors- i mean “Localization”
Killed any hype i had for this game,
You’re right. They should have just given us the original Japanese game with no translation whatsoever. And how dare they not meet your expectations and wants? A truly horrible company.
The people that are most pissed about this are the non-English speaking Westerners. Since they have to deal with a dub they don’t understand, they’d rather play the original one. I, for one, will just turn off the voices and play it like a good old FE.
Understandable? Yes.
Still disappointed from the not adding dual-audio? Still yes.
I hope that Nintendo will at least consider dual-audio download via DLC to solve the issue with space, as well as licensing issues.
Thank you for for explaining the complexities of dual audio. This should be required reading for anyone the least bit interested in these decisions.
I honestly don’t think people who expect or want the original Japanese are numerous enough to sway NOA or NOE, but it’s not unreasonable to at least request it.
I’m not completely heartbroken, and I understand why duel-audio can be a bit of a pipe dream, but Aqua’s (Or Azura’s or whatever her name is. I’ve been very good at dodging game news!) voice in the Japanese audio is just so beautiful, I’m sad that I won’t be able to listen to it in the context of the game. ;^;
The 8GB 3DS carts don’t actually exist, as no game has ever used them. 8 GB is just a theoretical possibility as claimed by the manufacturer of the 3DS carts. Vita’s in the same boat, though I think that’s more likely to use a 8 GB cart than 3DS is.
Also it seems the full version of Fates is smaller than 2 GB, so that means they were easily able to fit the whole thing on one cart afterall. Dual audio possibly could push things over 2 GB, though I think another set of cutscenes in Japanese would the problem rather than just the audio itself.
8GB carts exist. They are purchasable from Nintendo of Japan by developers and publishers. We have confirmation of that, which is why it’s in the article. However, yes, nobody has ever used them for a game yet.
Honestly this game has caused so much controversy I just need it to be out already so i can ignore the internet xD however i admit it does kinda suck we wont be able to choose the dub we want but hey, life moves on right?
i never understand why people prefer jap voices over English. i guess they would rather read text, than listen to people talking while enjoying the artwork in the game.
Okay, first of all, “jap” is a derogatory term. Please refrain from using it when abbreviating Japanese. JP is fine.
To answer your question: the same reason people enjoy foreign films (which are subtitled). The way emphasis on words works between languages is not the same and word choices may imply different subtext, so if you have even a rough understanding of the language, you can sometimes pick up on subtle nuances that the translator didn’t catch or just for better overall understanding of the intended scene tone.
Additionally, some of us in North America can understand the language (even if only partly for some), but the Nintendo 3DS is a region locked device, which would mean being required to buy another whole 3DS (and a more expensive one at that, due to import cost) to play the game with the voices in their original language. Not only that, subtitled games and other media are good practice for those who are learning the language.
Lastly, if you are experienced with subtitled media, your reading speed is likely very fast. Enjoying the artwork is just as much possible while reading subtitles as it is without.
Some people can understand it but can’t read it; kanji is a bitch to learn. There’s also differences in quality and delivery. Regardless, you’re a dumbass troll.
You’re right, that was inappropriate. Apologies. When people use phrases like I’ll never understand why people “insert: some activity that they don’t do” and then follow it up with inane scenarios why they choose to do so as if they’re the stupid ones, I can’t help but call them out.
Wouldn’t need to dual audio if the English VO was any good. It was horrible in awakening because the tone of voice didn’t match the situation (Just look at the cutscene where Sumia rescues Chrome) and was flat/emotionless.
This is kind of a non issue for me as I’ve never needed voices in the previous FE’s to enjoy them.
But at the same time, man with the voices we’ve got this time, well…
‘WE’VE.
GAHT.
TRAHBEL!’
Awesome! Nintendo is really pushing hard on this series! They are trying to keep it alive the best that they can. I don’t think it will fail to sell now especially after putting Kamui/Corrin in Smash 4!
@Namevah:disqus
NA will get it! Since it sold better there and Japan than anywhere else!
Honestly, I don’t really much care if Fire Emblem Fates has no dual audio, I often play games in english (there are a few exceptions) so it’s no big loss for me.
Is it too much to hope we one day get an eShop release of a translated New Mystery of the Emblem, too? I played through about half the fan translation ROM, but jut got too tired of looking at that tiny screen on my giant iMac.
Try investing in a flash card such as DSTWO. I did that and I can play literally every single Fire Emblem release on it. Super helpful for the Japan-only releases.
I did look into it at one point, but didn’t want to invest the time/money when I was only looking to play New Mystery of the Emblem with it. If I dig into the other Japan-only releases, I’ll check it out again. Thanks for the recommendation.
This wouldn’t be a problem if the dubbing of Fates was on Par with Awakening, except it isn’t.
There’s the obvious Felicia (voice is fine, acting is terrible), but then there’s also some hypocrisy (age up Sakura and Elise to avoid pedophilic implications, but then have no qualms giving Nyx a very childlike voice?).
I’m a huge fan of Nintendo and FE, but some of the decisions being made here just seem- well- idiotic.
I thought about the Tellius series… but I can’t remember any voice acting in those? It’s been a very long time since I played them, though. Do you have a link to a video?
Oh, I see. I must have blocked it out of my memory.
There weren’t very many cutscenes in these games, though, and they came before the time when consumers really started requesting dual audio on a frequent basis.
Honestly, there were likely a variety of technical reasons why it didn’t happen this time, but DLC would be nice. I don’t think they’ll do it, though, especially if the licensing concerns outweighed the size limitations.
Just to make sure, this is saying that only the Japanese versions of Fates will be going on sale when buying extra routes? As in, the NA release that is coming out soon will not get this discount?
Meh. I’m done buying Nintendo of America products; rent or used from now. I still like their games (Nintendo of Japan’s) but I’m tired of paying the localization company full price for half the product.
Half the product is a pretty big stretch isn’t it? Literally all they removed was tapping a screen for an extra minigame. I get having a stance against changes, but let’s not make mountains out of proverbial ant hills here.
Forgive the hyperbole. I’ll give a realistic % next time. When I say half though I meant half the audio (as per the article). Having dual audio was a realistic expectation given the last entry.
And while I don’t personally care about the skinship thing or Soleil at all, I’m getting tired of the cultural sanitizing. I’ve been seeing this happen as long as bars have been cafes in Final Fantasy and Holy was Pearl. It doesn’t affect the gameplay but it’s getting old all the same. I’m jaded with financially supporting it. I can still support the franchise by buying the originals.
Fair enough. I guess I just see so many hyperbolic extreme opinions on the webs these days I can’t exactly tell who’s being serious any more.
I do kind of disagree on the audio bit still though. It was explained pretty thoroughly in this update why it was an issue for this game, and a one game precedent is not enough to make it a series required option. That said I did wish it was there, as the dub quality is iffy, but its not a dealbreaker for me at least.
I do kinda agree with the cultural sanitation thing, but I guess I’m just not too jaded on the whole thing as long as it remains fairly minor. I see it as the trade-off of not just learning Japanese myself. Actually cutting significant gameplay would trigger me though.
It’s a 1st world problem at its core, took decades to reach this point. I’ll still play the games, I just won’t pay for them to assert my disapproval. And as it were, being in the middle of learning Japanese is probably fueling this change since I’m now presented alternatives.
I don’t buy the audio explanation. Space limitation realistically isn’t a concern. More likely coding for it would be too much hassle if they’re cutting and rearranging dialogue so a 1 for 1 swap won’t be possible any more. Perhaps licensing. Either way, nothing is ever required but a precedent is a precedent. Can you imagine the uproar if they didn’t include the MU feature this time?
But yeah. While gameplay > everything, it’d be nice to get a product that wasn’t whitewashed. It’s also rather disrespectful to the source culture in my eyes i.e., this creepy shit might fly in Japan but not here.
I usually only see people wanting Japanese audio when they claim that the English voice acting is bad (which is more often than not a load of pretentious weeb-bias anyway), but that wasn’t the case with Awakening at all. I see no reason to believe NOA would deny Fates the same level of quality control, especially after how much more representation Fire Emblem has gotten in the west after Awakening and Smash 4.
It’s actually non-debatable that more effort goes into the Japanese dub in most cases. They have auditions, directors, record as a group, etc; voice acting is big money. These people are professionals and celebrities. In the West, they call up Johnny, Vic, Yuri, have them phone it in, and call it a day. Your own ‘merca-bias is no less pretentious.
I can’t tell if this is bate or you’re really stupid enough to believe that western voice actors aren’t auditioned or have directors. Don’t argue with a voice actor about what voice acting is like.
As someone who works in the industry, they do have directors, auditions, and no, they don’t just phone it in. There are voice actors that are frequently recast into similar roles, but they have to audition for those roles just as much as anyone else. The voice actor industry is more competitive and more glamorous in Japan (they are treated like celebrities), but it is also lower paying, not higher. Go check out the union rates for voiceover work if you don’t believe me.
If you’re referring to ISDN or source connect for phoning it in, you are mistaken in thinking this is a lower quality method of recording. Generally when this method is used to record, it’s done by connecting one professional level studio to another; one with the voice director and the other with the actor. While it is true that often character lines are recorded in isolation, loop groups do happen sometimes, but that’s far more common in western animation. ADR is utilized far more often for localization.
The quality of the voiceover work in the US depends highly on the director, the actors, and the budget. Higher budget media gets phenomenal dubs, like Fate Zero, but games often do not have the budget to hire the first rate voice actors. The pool of excellent voice actors is far lower in the US than Japan, and it costs far more to hire the good ones due to acting unions.
Please do your research before making such broad claims.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are useful when you’re not trying to write an essay. I was responding to the notion that it’s mostly pretentious weebs that enjoy JP audio for no legitimate reason. And no, I didn’t mean phone in literally.
I’m aware some have directors and auditions. No idea how many. I also know there’s plenty of in-house dubbing; looking at you FUNimation. I’m also aware the seiyuu business pays crap (mostly inspired to learn this from Shirobako) and they’re paid by rank. The top grade Seiyuu make most of their money through other means using their acquired fame as the catalyst.
While I was being aggressive, I didn’t mean to blanketly suggest that voice acting in the US is necessarily bad, only that our Japanese counterparts have a stronger seiyuu industry and it shows. There’s obviously many phenomenal Western dubbed products: the Final Fantasies, Stella Glow, Shin Megami, etc. Most local games like Naughty Dog’s The Last of Us have amazing voice work. But as a long time consumer, it’s easy to tell when the localization was short changed and irritating when it’s your only option. Contrary to Biaza’s claim, I have more examples of bad dubbing than I can count.
As an aside, I refuse to believe Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Young Bosch are God’s gift to voice acting and that’s why they “win” so many auditions. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t nepotism at play.
Almost everything with voice acting of any sort has a director. They are the ones who choose the actors from the auditions and the ones who give voice direction during recording. Hence, why I said the quality of the dub depends on them; if they are not on the precise wavelength of the original author, catastrophe can occur. While it is their job to do that, some of them try to re-direct the work in a direction other than originally intended for various reasons.
Studios like funimation or ocean group that do every voice recording in-house with their own actors are actually NOT the norm. They do get a lot of titles in the anime realm, though, because their reputation for quality is higher than most.
There is nepotism at play. That is how acting works! Everyone auditions, but unless you have a knockout voice that fits exactly what they wanted and something that gives them a semblance of the idea that you can be directed easily, they are going to go with the safer, known gamble of working with a well known actor that has proven to be very successful in the past. Voice recording is very expensive. They need to know you can give them what they want in a reasonable timeframe, because they are recording you on their dime. Every take costs them more money.
The US scene for voice acting in games and media is progressively getting better, though, but it will take time for it to be taken as seriously in localization as it is in western works.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are not okay, especially when they are ill founded.
I play with the JPN audio on 98% of the time in Awakening- turned it off on chapter 12 and never looked back. I recently finished my first playthrough with the ENG voices on the whole time- overall a very good dub, but still not as good as the original (especially Inigo. Ughhh.) However, I think Fates’ dub is worse than Awakening’s, from what I’ve seen. Most of the voices I can live with (Though somewhat unhappily in Marxander’s case- he sounds like Chrom (Don’t get me wrong, I love Chrom, but Marxander is such a different character that it’s unfitting.) but my biggest problem is Azura’s singing voice vs. Aqua’s. In If, Aqua has a professional VA for her talking voice and a professional singer for her singing voice. In Fates, they got a professional VA to do both voices, so while her talking voice is just as good, her singing is… incredibly inferior.
On that note, does anyone know where I can legally buy Renka’s CD? I want to support her career, but It wasn’t on Itunes last I checked & buying it on Ebay wouldn’t get any money to her.
Bought four booster boxes of the first series, ended up at around 250$ with shipping and import fees included. Would love to buy the other ones but the student life is not easy in the monetary department…
All I care about is that the mouth flaps synch well enough and the English grammar doesn’t suffer for it. Last time I checked, most dialogue remains in text form anyway, with only the “grunts” and “battle cries” and other canned lines at the ready for accompaniment, with portraits that are static. Unless that’s somehow different this time around, and non-cutscene dialogue gets voiced more, I don’t see it being that big a deal for me.
My actual issue with the game is the setting, but that’s me being a filthy westerner who needs to learn to realize that they’re not trying to say the west is inherently evil or something by making all the western characters be on the “dark” side of conquest. 😛
Ive been playing today and, being honest, i didnt expected much at the beginning, but im glad to say i was wrong, the dubbing its well done!! and Azura’s voice is just so sweet <3 ty for your hard work miss Strober!
Nice, playing the game now and the dub isn’t so bad. Better in than Awakening in fact, which was pretty good, too, for the most part. Still it would be nice to have the CHOICE to change language.
Especially with it comes to the Avatar. The male voices I’m mostly fine with, but I’m split on the voices for the female. Mature one is perfectly fine. Middle one is okay, my only issue with it is that its a little too similar to the mature one. The young one is just…..ugh. Annoying sounding rather than young or cute sounding.
Dubbing songs that were written for a different language is much harder than dubbing normal speaking. Even before considering that, I think Ms. Strober has a wonderful voice, and the dub itself is really very good. It’s awesome that she actually found the thread here! ^.^
I reached chapter 10 and was pleasantly surprised. The dubs are not bad at all! (I’m not a fan of the translated version of the song though, as much as I love Azura’s voice)
I thought she did a very excellent job as Aqua (azura). I was suspicious at first as-well, mostly because of all the fear-mongering on /v/; however was pleasantly surprised. I think Azura’s voice was very well done. While some voices were somewhat lacking… Azura’s was not one of them.
When I first heard her English voice, it took a couple minutes to register because of how insanely different it is from the Japanese version. Is it bad? Not my place to say, but you do get a different impression on her character, and that’s what gets me.
I was admittedly a bit wary of how she was going to do, but that’s moreso because a song going from Japanese to English rarely sounds decent, but I was legitimately impressed.
Nice job, Rena! Though the song has been stuck in my head for awhile now…
Yeah , i have been following Abdallah because of Fates he is playing on normal classic so not a big challenge but still fun to watch he is a good guy so i advise you to lose some time watching some of his videos , he got Conquest Chapter 6 and Revelation Chapter 6 and his Birthright is 13 or 14 😉
How can you have fun watching his vids? Like, he’s a really cool guy and all, but he grinded so hard that his characters overpower everything and yet he somehow still plays really bad. Like he’ll be afraid to send his guy against an opponent when he one rounds them and they have like a 30% chance of doing 4 damage. Then he’ll get all upset when he kills an enemy and only gets 1 Exp (like what do you expect after all that grinding).
Again, he seems real cool, but he does a bunch of little things that irritate me. He takes way too long on his turns (when he can literally bum rush everything), he says “essentially” way too much, he constantly compares himself to Silas (who he honestly looks nothing like; and the joke is just overplayed now), he feels himself way too hard over crappy strats (like it’s totally an accomplishment that he was able to beat a certain character during a certain chapter; of course you can when your characters are crazy OP, lol), and I can see how some people enjoy it but I dislike him reading every line of dialogue.
I do feel like a total hater here, especially when I did enjoy watching the first video that I saw from him (I think it was Paralogue 1), but the more I watched, the more I disliked. I definitely wish him the best and he’s obviously doing things right if he’s got fans (fans who love to spoil crap in the YouTube comments), but it’s just not for me.
Also, he’s at Birthright Ch.17, although it was probably 16 when you posted your comment.
But yea, tldr; I’d probably still enjoy watching him if he didn’t grind his characters to super OP levels (or at least not act like he has to worry about his characters getting killed when they’re so OP) and if he didn’t say “essentially” all the time, like literally all the time, lol. Definitely not a bad dude and someone worth supporting.
Edit: Check out this moment from Birthright Ch. 15 https://youtu.be/8Ke18yC6tAA?t=1132
He has a 100% hit rate and will OHKO the enemy, but because the enemy has a 51% chance of dealing 17 damage (less than half his own character’s health), he is afraid of it and performs a bunch of unnecessary actions instead.
Just one example of why I find him frustrating to watch, lol.
I known Abdallah for 3-4 Years, he used to be a very nice guy, he always talked to people,did live streams of Mario Kart 7,Luigis Mansion and Animal Crossing every weekend and even offered his Skype, he did a Fire Emblem Awakening play through and really seemed to enjoy it, his reactions seemed genuine, now he’s become more and more and more greedier with money, he never really talks to anyone on Skype, we all used to have a Skype group chat with many other people, it became extremely fun, I met so many great people (like MegamanNG which also posted a reply) his reactions are very forced and doesn’t even finish Lets plays at all, back then he lets played them through the end, now all he does is play games for a little bit and quits, you can argue that Yo-Kai Watch is still strong and standing but the reason is, is because how many views he gets, compared to other lets play, Yo-Kai watch has many views and likes, Abdallah only cares from getting a profit out of all of this, he grinds has much has possible and a PRIME example is Fire emblem Fates and Fantasy Life, he’s gotten to the point where its boring, He complains about very stupid reason like getting 1 EXP(Frozen Rose’s comment also explains more of this) Abdallah has changed from being someone nice, to a Greedy rude person, I have a friend who helper Abdallah with apotheosis, and its true everything he said, he told me the units he was going to use before Abdallah posted the videos, and he was right, Abdallah never credited him, he helped him so much its very sad he never even once got mentioned, Abdallah ALSO calls himself the “King” of every game, like even his twitter says “Pax-South King” which is very stupid when there are clear better people than him, he makes very stupid plans and always thinks that Blitzing through everything is a “GOOD” strategy, there are many other youtubers who can do a much better job than him. OmegaEvolution,MegamanNG are people I say can far surpass is quality!
Abdallah is an interesting guy to say the least. He’s a nice guy for the most part, but like GamingBrosX714 has said, he has recently changed to the mindset of most other big youtubers. If a series isn’t getting the views he wants, he’ll cancel it. That aside, he is known for completely grinding the difficulty out of any rpg he plays. Awakening was included in this. He justified his grinding by it being in preparation for Apotheosis…
This is no different in Fates. I can guarantee when he starts his Conquest playthrough, he’ll grind the heck out of the DLC there to breeze through that game as well. I personally don’t think it’s much fun to watch a playthrough where someone just steamrolls through everything with no strategy. People would argue against this (himself included), but it’s hard to see why you need much of a strategy after the amount of grinding he does+normal mode.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s still a nice guy, it’s just I wish he at least chose a higher difficulty to compensate if he were to grind this much, but to each their own I guess.
I support Abdallah but I wonder if this means you’ll include other YouTubers as well… like me, MegamanNG. I am also doing Fire Emblem: Fates but it’s more of a non-commentated kind of game.
Oh and Abdallah’s videos are that good. He delivers especially on the commentary side.
The answer is that yes, eventually we will have a way for people to submit their stuff and we’ll include it on the site. We’re figuring out how that’s going to work still.
I know you guys will figure it out. I’ll wait as long as it takes because I want to contribute for the good of all things Fire Emblem… that and since Chrom and Lucina are in Project X Zone 2, I want to add that in too.
I tweeted him about it and he said that there was no problem. But since the game is US edition your console must be of the american model. I’m from Brazil and the model sold here is the american one. 🙂
Ms. Strober, I realize this is a bit late, but thank you for using your beautiful voice for FE: Fates. I’ve really enjoyed the game so far, and the music is great! Not to mention Azuras voice really suits her, it gives her more of a real/loving appeal imo.
Comparing FE4’s map and the unknown world map, it seems that the south east somewhat resembles Verdane with it’s lake dried up. http://s35.photobucket.com/use…
It honestly gets so addicting once you get into the swing of hopping between castles. It’s great for boosting supports too without overpowering your characters.
Yea, fully utilizing My Castle is pretty much REQUIRED to 100% Conquest, because you can’t use the world map to support grind like in Birthright and Revelation. You could theoretically use DLC maps to support grind even if you don’t get EXP (excepting Boo Camp), but My Castle also gives you weapon resources and access to Hoshidan weapons and rods (like the super useful Festals).
I can’t wait to see how people use Anna when Anna on the Run hits, because Anna is a fully developed unit (technically on disc DLC in fact) with support conversations and even marriage if I’m not mistaken, unlike the 4 amiibo units. And of course Ballasticians and Witches seem like amazing classes.
Wow! 😀
Thought that they were through with making them. But…with so many skills unused it would make sense that we’d get more of these. Now waiting for the translation of them!
If I live in the US but want to buy the EU version of Fates, can I buy an EU 3ds and play the EU fates on it even though I’ll be playing it in the US? Or will it still region lock me? I just want to buy the game with less censorship, and this is the only other option that I can think of (except for a fan patch, but I’d rather support the game by purchasing it).
It is unknown what is censored in the european version.
We have to wait until the games come out…
At least they don´t officially say anything about censorship/localisation for europe.
So theoretically it could be that nothing will be censored….
Anyone else who purchased Map Pack 1 seeing the problem that even after they update their Dragons Gate through the Internet, that they’re not seeing Royal Royale? If it was meant to be released post direct like they made it seem, I’m not seeing it at all.
Oh no, if you brought map pack 1 then you brought it. Each map releases on a different date which mean you have to go in the start menu and redownload it. The price is just cheaper if you get the pack.
No, I meant the article and direct made it sound like the Map Royal Royale came out two days ago, when in reality in comes out in a little over a week.
Well, from what I know the only things being censored were the “skinshipping” (aka litterally petting your units to increase support) and the Soleil controversy (where dialogues made it seem like the Avatar “cured” the gayness of a female character to date her, which was removed in the US)
The thing about not having character deaths (or more accurately, respawn on the next turn) is just a mode you’re free to play with or without (enjoy the game as you like ^^) but it’s preset in every version, Japanese, US and EU too…
Awesome for getting skills. Kinda sucks with the limited Nohr funds, though. The gold grinding DLC can be surprisingly difficult, too- since the enemy spawns are random.
Just out of curiosity- anyone got a Soleil or Velouria with Lunge? I’m offering various skills in mine as well (Beruka with Air Superiority, Azura with Rend Heaven, etc).
I don’t think it’s up for preorder anywhere quite yet. I didn’t see it on my usual locations for importing. I didn’t check Amazon JP, but you probably can’t import it from there without a mail proxy.
Elise and Sakura playing the harp outta be good to play when going to sleep. Better make plans for http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSBI-34
this abysmal stock especially since you cannot buy imports from amazon.jp.
You actually can buy DVDs, CDs, and Books from Amazon.co.jp if you’re an international customer. Just not really anything else. They only have express shipping though, but considering it usually starts at CD Japan’s SAL prices… Regardless, their listing still hasn’t started accepting preorders yet.
Hey just just wanted to share this but i tried looking for a pattern of feed your astral dragon in your castle to see if i coulde get more stats for it and what do you know if found it. instead of giving it a food item for +1 stat for 2 stats this pattern give 5 stats a +1 every time you feed it. this is the pattern i’ve tried Meat,Cabbage,Milk ,Wheat, berry. From what i notice its just like giving proper diet to the dragon. so yeah give it a try and have a nice day
So far, only Gaiden and The Sacred Stones (would make a nice set together). The Elibe cards will start with Series 5 (Binding Blade), while Jugdral starts with Series 6 (Genealogy). From there, you can expect Blazing Sword and Thracia to arrive eventually.
Hmmm. I have a few more bucks to spend on dlc. Which one which one… Grrr… I really want to get Nohr, but I know that as SOON as i buy the route, it’ll go 50% off or something… *sighs*
I pre ordered this on amazon but im debating on whether I should wait to see if it gets an English release because it will have the Japanese singers and while I do like them I do prefer the dub singer what do you think?
If you can afford it, get both. FEA soundtrack sold out super quick and was on eBay for $300+ before they re-released it, so don’t take any chances. If the English one does come out, then perhaps sell it. I’ll probably get both, I reckon they’ll do an English one.
Man. Would love to have these deals in my part of the globe.
The price cuts for everything makes it as much of a steal as the Gen 1 Pokemon games for $10 each.
The coin is for only UK or for all Europe??? I have seen in other pages that it’s for all Europe but when I reserved my copy they didn’t said me anything of a gift of something. And it’s only a gift they gift you only reserving the special edition and not normal copies??
I second this. And unlike Twilight Princess HD I would happily pay $50 for such a collection.
Just…only as long as they don’t do anything to tamper with the gameplay and try to “Awakenize” the games in a desperate attempt to get more of the new crowd to buy it.
Ugh, no, I think I’d get pretty angry if they did Awakenize my two favourite games of the whole series. Like flashier animations would be a nice addition, but all the extra stuff? No thanks.
It’s a sad state of affairs when you consider a scenario where the games are remastered and untouched, and you realize that newer fans likely would boycott the game for having no waifus and actual strategy.
Are you implying that Path of Radiance demands more strategic thinking than newer games in the franchise?
I really love Path of Radiance for its characters and story, but the game is probably the easiest FE game together with Sacred Stones, at least in my eyes.
Since I’m European I haven’t had the chance to play Fates yet, so no comments on that. But I’d argue that Awakening as a whole, together with Sacred Stones, is far easier than any other game in the series. PoR doesn’t have much going for it in terms of difficulty compared to the other games, but I was mainly referring to RD when I wrote that.
Either of the Tellius games are still miles better than Awakening, though.
I’ll skip the LE. Like every other recent Nintendo of Emuricano LE, it costs more than it’s actually worth.
I’ll happily get the game though if my budget allows for it.
“Take your favourite #FE characters like Marth and Link and make your own waifu/husbando! Includes dirtydirty mode for the kids! Must pay to win. You will be a big fat loser if you don’t pay for this. NINTENDO! ^_^ “
Mayhap I take the divine Sword of Seals and melt the brainz of whatever clown thought this up?
I permit the prompt enactment of the collection and employment of the sacred weapons, holy weapons, divine weapons, regalia weapons and everything else you can think of.
I’d just like to say that Seisen no Keifu was probably one of the best Fire Emblem games ever, period. The marriage-and-children mechanic was a part of this series long before the GBA games. Back when the series was REALLY hardcore. And before you say that’s not waifu sim because there’s no avatar… The avatar is a single character. The majority of characters you’re marrying are still canon-on-canon relationships.
I don’t really see FE4 as a waifu sim, though. The parent/children mechanic was a part of the story and it worked. What I’m satirizing is the notion that the series is moving away from good story (more or less) and more towards matchmaking that doesn’t have any purpose outside of waifu/husbando. As smart phones tend toward popular entertainment and the type of person who “just doesn’t have time to get involved in anything so instead I play Bubbles 23,” I predict that the FE app is going to appeal to a lower common denominator and the most logical manifestation of that is the waifu/husbando sort of stuff.
Now, I could be entirely wrong (HOPE!! I HOPE I’m entirely wrong!!! DX ) but the opportunity was simply too grand for me not to make fun of. And I had to make fun of the peripheral corporate types who just don’t get Fire Emblem.
About damn time. Shadow Dragon/New Mystery’s touch control scheme was MADE for mobile platforms. Bunch that up with the GBA engine’s “instant save” option and you instantly have a mobile-intuitive Fire Emblem mobile game.
Well, it’s official, Fire Emblem didn’t forget its roots, it set them on fire and is shitting all over the burned corpse, now it’s just waifus and shit plots
Of course, they also make money on the older games as well, just not in the massive amounts that they so desire (and probably need nowadays due to Wii U’s failure, even though they have so much money in the bank) these days.
I’m pretty sure we don’t know there’ll be “waifus” in this theoretical mobile game. I’d also like to note a couple of things. First, Fates was more emotionally moving than anything I saw in FE7. Second, Fire Emblem was dying. Perhaps it didn’t deserve to, but it was dying. This change of direction made it appealing to a much broader number of people (especially in Japan, where “waifu” culture is practically much intertwined with gamer culture) and saved the franchise. So it’s not such a bad thing, is it?
Fates was a commercial sucsess because they actually marketed it, that’s what almost killed Fire Emblem, bad word of mouth because you had to actually try to beat the game when today’s generation is used to having victory handed to them, and because it doesn’t matter how good your game is, you can’t just silently put it on store shelves and expect sales to come
It was inevitable, considering the way the series has been going lately.
EDIT: “the Fire Emblem app will be designed to be more accessible compared to previous games”
How? What else can they possibly remove to make the game any more accessible? Oh right, the weapons triangle. They can remove that and remove weapon tiers like steel or silver so that characters and the convoy item lists will just consist of “Sword, Sword, Sword, Sword, Lance, Lance, Lance, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”. They remove durability with Fates and added funky effects, they can just remove the weapons triangle and add even more funky effects.
You mean like how it was before? The Fates weapon system is actually one of the new parts that worked IMO. It made me actually consider which weapon I wanted to use instead of just going with the most cost effective Iron or Steel weapon, and never using a legendary until the last like 2 missions. I feel like some people cling to durability too much for nostalgias sake. If it was implemented better than I can see the argument for it, but it was usually more annoyingly restrictive than anything challenging or deep
No, it was never anything like that.
Fate’s weapon system helped to make the game rather boring. I never felt like I needed to change weapons most of the time and I never really bothered to unless accuracy was too low.
And if I had to describe Fate’s weapon system like the above quote, it’d be more like: “Sword, Trash, Trash, Trash, Lance, Trash, Trash, Axe, Trash, Trash, Trash, Probably Useful Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”
Some people might “cling” to durability for nostalgia’s sake but many people also like durability because it adds to the gameplay.
I’m genuinely curious as to what you thought it added to the gameplay. In my experience it just usually meant I could rarely use a low use item until the last like 2 maps in case I needed them. I don’t feel like it allowed you more dynamic solutions or strategies but rather just a sense that using anything other than Iron or Steel for your battles was cost ineffective.
I do think durability would work if implemented correctly though. Like I think FE4’s system was a solid foundation for a durabilty system, where you can reforge broken weapons in castles. But I would keep the variety of effects from Fates though, since I fealt that really added more decisions to which weapon you choose.
I do feel if Durability was to make a return, I am hoping for a Berwick Saga like system where every time you use a weapon, it increases in the chance of breakage in different tiers. So a weapon in the yellow condition has an 4-8% of breaking and a weapon in the darker red has a 50% chance of breaking. Add that with you getting a blacksmith at a certain point of the game to restore weapons, I think it would be an amazing system to use.
Certain weapons have differing tiers for breakage and maintenance. One could pay to repair their weapons post-chapters or use a Hammerne staff or wetting stone to restore uses in battles.
That’s the least likely event to happen. I’m learning japanese now and even my instructor has difficulty reading his material. And she reads many japanese authors.
More accessible =/= mobile games. If anything, it makes it LESS accessible. I for one, would not be able to play this, should we ever get it, as I don’t have a phone capable of playing games, and I don’t really want one. Releasing a mobile game for the series will only limit the number of people who will get to play the game, and create a gap in time between consoles releases, both of which will make some people forget about, or lose interest in the series.
Perhaps you’re right. I’m actually in the same boat. I do have an iPad, but it’s outdated. In Japan, however, mobile games are a HUGE deal. There are many mobile games with a bigger player base than some of our biggest MMOs here in the English-speaking world. This move was probably more directed at the Japanese audience than anyone. We’re just getting it because Awakening and Fates sold really well. That’d be my guess.
The majority of Android games (and I assume its similar for iOS), even newer ones almost always have an automatic low setting so it shouldn’t be a problem having enough players out there who can play the game.
There are millions upon MILLIONS of people who have smart devices that are capable of playing games, much much more than the amount of 3DS owners out there, so this actually WILL make the series more accessible to a hell of a lot more people. Especially if Nintendo and DeNa make sure to develop it like most other mobile devs and have the game runnable on devices at least 4 years back.
This. The userbase of smartphones absolutely many times that of handhelds. That is the primary reason Nintendo’s shareholders have been pushing them to bring their IP to smartphones for a number of years, now.
Not too surprising really due to how popular the series has become. Don’t know what to expect from a mobile FE game, but as long as it’s enjoyable it should be fine.
Hm, interesting. I’ll try it out at some point if it’s made for Android~ That being said, do wish it would go back to some of the older roots, even if I do enjoy the new games too.
I love this so much! It contains 134 songs from the first 7 discs, then another 100+ as well as movie file son the data disc. Perfect for a collector and huge fan of the series!
I think the track list is actually incorrect. I have the soundtack here and there are 19 tracks on the 7th disc. The last track on the booklet says it is the ENISHI track. Just wanted to point that out.
i’m honestly okay with this. my main worry will be the micro transaction. But other than that, let it happen. It’s not like its gonna kill the franchise
For those saying “Oh mobile games are big in Japan”:
Location has nothing to do with it. Mobile gaming beats the pants off handheld and console gaming, even in America. There are over 120 million mobile game players in the US alone. As an example, compare that to the approximate 36 million PS4s sold /globally/. You could even extrapolate and say that each gamer purchases one of each console at best (which is not true, as many purchase multiple and households often share consoles), and the number of the primary 3 consoles sold (and therefore potential game sales) wouldn’t even breach 100 million globally. There are plenty of references for this across the internet. Do some research.
Mobile gaming is very, VERY profitable, not just because of microtransactions and gimmicks, but because the number of smartphone users so heftily outweigh the number of consoles and games to sell. Smartphones are seen as a necessity by a great number of people, which means you can directly market your mobile game to those people without needing them to buy specific hardware. This is in addition to the general mobile game design, which is designed to make short brief periods of play as optimal as possible, thereby maximizing the amount of play time for each player and the perceived value (enjoyment) the players get out of them. Additionally, there are so many more people that play mobile games and never touch any other form of video game, that it would be stupid to ignore the market.
Nintendo has great IP and shareholders that have been pushing them to take this very profitable IP into a more accessible domain. However, Nintendo’s standards of quality are quite high for new game ventures and platforms, so there’s a very good chance they will scrutinize this game thoroughly before releasing it. It would be wise to wait and see what they are planning to do before panicking saying “they’re ruining the series omg”. Keep in mind that Fire Emblem was, without a doubt, on the brink of dying before Awakening. That has since turned around and Fates has proven to them that FE is a top IP for them. They are trying to keep it popular and profitable through whatever means possible.
Um… I think my interest in applying is based on what sort of podcast this is going to be…
If it’s just talking about Fire Emblem and having fun whist doing it (and applying some of my audio production magic to it), I think I’m down…
If it’s calling Intelligent Systems and Nintendo for exclusive interviews each week whist flying to every Nintendo show and Video Game Con in order to kidnap Fire Emblem related people and/or grab up every remotely Fire Emblem-related piece of memorabilia for reviewing and always ending the show with informing the listener that they will never be a real Fire Emblem fan because he/she didn’t preorder Seisen no Keifu in 1996… *pant*pant*pant* then I don’t think I’m Emblemier (*gag* was that even a thing before Awakening?) enough…
I’m just a simple country Doctor… a college educated filmmaker who abandoned that in order to become a writer because he wanted to capture the spirit he felt in Fire Emblem. I’m not sure if I could produce a big journalistic-flavoured production….
So basically I ask this: What sort of podcast did you have in mind?
…. This is pretty adorable. XD I wish that rival game makers still did things like this. Sat down and talked about each other’s games. It would probably just turn into a verbal slappy fight though…. ^^
I have bought this set and on the DVD there are 2 versions of the cutscene with Sakura and 2 of the one with Elise, but I can not find anything different between the 2. Am I missing Something?
Loved it. Tho I do have to say my favorite part is on the nohr path where it changes tempo and rhythm. Sends chills down the spine. But I do love the whole song in great. Thank you so much for your awesome contribution to a wonderful series
I spend a lot of my spare time coming up with really focused character and team builds but I never have anyone to share them with or test them with. I’m new here but I’ve been playing Fire Emblem games since I was young and I strongly desire to be see a competitive environment develop not unlike the VGCs of Poke’mon that I used to build teams for. Regardless of what my involvement would look like, the opportunity to chat about builds, strategy, mechanics & interactions with other tacticians with similar interests sets excites me greatly.
I picked one up for about 80€, then it went out of stock about an hour later. Since it’s weekend I’ll probably get it on Monday… Which sorta comes in conflict with the Overwatch release.
If you need someone to help out, then I can probably contribute in some way. I have emblem 6 (Fuuin no Tsurugi) – Fates and I collect fire emblem cipher cards. I’ve been playing since I was a kid. I can talk about strategy, competitive, ideas, story, etc.
Awakening wasn’t a “mess” you just didn’t like it, after all its only a vocal minority of people that disliked Awakening, while the people that did among older FE fans stayed quite, the new FE fans Awakening attracted were quite vocal. I’ve played every FE game that NoA has actually brought west and I’ve enjoyed them all.
Eh… it kinda was a mess though. A fun mess, an excellent example of how a perfectly balanced game is not needed to have a grand old time, but a mess nonetheless.
It also was missing a lot of the complex map objectives that make up the more memorable Fire Emblem missions. The only one I can really remember from Awakening was Tikki’s recruitment mission
The man’s doing it for fun and self-satisfaction, not for profits or even other peoples’ satisfaction. So he’s got nothing to lose and nobody to win over.
The fact some fans can enjoy another of his works in this day and age, even with zero budget, is a mega bonus : )
I understand that, but the fact that he’s hanging on to his FE legacy after so long makes him seem pitiful. He’s like the guy who had his 15 minutes of fame and won’t let go.
He gave up that right when he chose to leave IS. As an independent contractor he’s free to make whatever kind of game he can imagine, but instead he continues to double down on the same thing he’s been making for 25+ years. At least when Sakurai left HAL he created something new rather than just make a Kirby or Smash clone.
If by more popular and mainstream than ever, yes I can. Kaga is sore loser who can’t deal with the fact that Fire Emblem is a success, and he’s a footnote at best.
The gameplay feels much too casual added with no permadeath is even an option. More popular does not equal quality.
Really, all you have been doing in these comments is trying to make flame posts basically pulling every disrespecting piece of defamation just to talk ill of the guy. If you actually had some real criticism instead of flaming in the comments section, you would not be close to banning.
footnotes are the most luxurious part of the book, they are the meat and bones of any success story, Awakening was to be Nintendo’s last if not a major success. It was a hot mess still with a mixture of old ideas. Kaga is a giant more than the entire company. So i give him credit despite his fine and legal oppression. Popularity does not mean quality, nor respect. Pokemon has unending shows and merchandise pumped, but where is the quality?
Another point, Kaga’s material is only official in Japan, while FE releases world-wide after and Nintendo could still not make the same numbers at home. They were on a decline.
He didn’t give up anything and fame is not his motive. He just wants to do what he loves. Nintendo is about fame money and rights. Kaga clearly points, if he had been fired for any choice he made, he would make his death bed then live without creating. Under Hiroshi Yamauchi, there was much sacrifice in his tenure. Gunpei Yokoi at least gave him the ability and space to get everything in possible.
I doubt kaga could have predicted how the series was going to go. He made a new game and was planning a sequel while Nintendo was scrambling to make a meager Fuuin no Tsuruji. I doubt the man could draw off the series. I don’t see any evidence of any FE features input from 6-13 in the past 15 years.
This looks pretty goddamn awesome, but I fear SRPG Studio’s performance issues is gonna hinder the game big time. Hopefully by the time its out someone improved either the engine or the game.
That poor Wyvern Knight’s spear flip looks so badass and bad at 12 FPS…
The battle animations, I think, need to be fleshed out a little more, but it definitely looks like the right mix of new and old RPG aesthetic style. I hope the battle mechanics are on par, too. It was a little jarring to hear vocaloid music though, lol.
I remember him saying that he was least interested in boasting graphics. That was my turnoff as well but once i seen the first trailer all negatives were buried.
Well not being made for profit its easier to use a Vocaloid for a team of 15 than it is to hire a singer, as one of them might already own the program.
to be honest, i don’t think it looks particularly good… visually it’s pretty ugly and the level design seems cluttered and messy… but i mean it’s not out yet so who knows, i’m still looking forward to it. hopefully i can still read it with my limited understanding of kanji
Kaga being an author and all, uses thick, deep, and very uncommon highly proficient Kanji. Like an english professor using big words. The writers Masaki Kajishima and Naoko Hasegawa are the same in respect.
I could not get through awakening. It felt like chore. They still didn’t change the formula in iF, but at least there is some new dynamics between each chapter like in Radiant dawn.
Ugh, not fond of the music at all. In general, I’m not really feeling this. But then again, I’m not as much of a Kaga admirer as some others are. The only Kaga-FE I consider outstanding is probably Seisen no Keifu.
But I’m still interested in trying this out, so hopefully someone will work on an english patch.
I was not a Kaga fan at all at first, but now I cant resist anything he touches. For instance, TearRing Saga, suffered from the gameplay soundbits, but the actual soundtrack he produced was almost full ochestral thus making it ear soothing. It was very hard for me to try out pre FE7 music from Tsujiyoko, but I think she was as good then as ever despite the chiptune noise.
what is software going to run on? Mobile, Computer?
I wonder if theres any way to update the game without heading to the ingame store. Feels wierd having to use the store in order to play dlc I’ve already bought.
I’d be lying if I said I don’t have any expectations, but at least I’m glad (I hope lmao) he’s having fun with his creation and is proud of it? After all no one is forcing him to make it different than he wants it to be, and I’d rather play a little game made with heart rather than a big, flashy game made by a studio that only wants $$$ out of it…
Cotton candy made by a professional craftsmaker is still cotton candy, but it’s also still made by a professional 😀
I think it would be cool if Kaga would release these games internationally with translations too, these games are fun, but it’s hard for players with little to no japanese knowledge.
Glad that Kaga san is enjoying himself. It will be great if the fans can set up a donation campaign or something in which I will definitely donate myself, though i guess Kaga himself might not endorse such act as judging from his tone he will likely think this could change the nature of his project a bit?
I like Kaga’s humble analogy. He is pouring a lot of sugar into this cotton candy, and I’m sure there is some crunchy spots. I’m hoping to get diabetes from this delicious treat. what is the email people are using to send him emails? Is it the zeek info one on the blog?
I figured it was Saitoh behind the music. It was too reminiscent. Though, it is likely there are other musicians, and I’m hoping Yuka did some part of it. I know Minako Seki was probably busy.
These brief short Q/A felt like a 9 year old kid was trying to get the beans out of him. Kaga answered like he was speaking to a child.
Character sidequests is possibly the best fun feature i could never dream of. Following the lives of a particular character without having to drag the entire army is definitely like in real war. Hopefully, thats the way it is in the game.
Has there been an official soundtrack release for an indie game before?
Why does it look like the Black Knight at the bottom and the character above is from the extra artwork the blog from 5 years ago.
Kaga must have confirmed some information to his fans via email. Unless the questioner pressed his luck by just stating it was HIroto. Like if we were to ask Speilberg when can we expect your new films soundtrack from Williams…?
“At first, “Holy War” was going to be a squad based game as mentioned before. But, as development went on, the GAME DESIGNER highly recommended we make a romance game (that was popular in those days). And so… […] It fit perfectly. (Laughs). He also loved Horse Racing… […] Because of that, we suddenly decided during development, “Let’s add a romance and inheritance aspect to this!” (laughs). Everyone was like, “Whaaaat?!” at the announcement of sudden change. (laughs).”
From what I gathered, Seisen no Keifu is also on its way to the Japanese New 3DS eShop. Whether or not it will be released alongside this however, I have no idea. Any Wednesday now…
I think they’re doing that so it could launch quicker, so that way US and EUR can be on the same schedule for DLC.
Maybe that festival DLC will have the same launch date for both regions
Not sure why English speaking people from Europe and Australia are exempt despite the fact that they can still play the game due to technically being in the same region (PAL games or whatever)
Sorry, the promoter is Nintendo UK, hence why it’s restricted to the UK. I’d love to include more people if I could, but my connections don’t go that far yet : )
Autumn 2016 in what region? In which months the release date for the RD artbook could be? Thanks! I want to buy both Tellius artbooks together. This is a dream coming true for me. Now that we also have the OST, all that’s left is a remastered 1080p collection of the two games for the NX or Wii U. But since Zelda TP is the only remaster Nintendo ever made for a home console, this is very unlikely to happen. Also, an Elincia or Black Knight figurine would make me cry. The best two games in the series for me.
Good catch! I fixed the translation up a bit. I missed the “trator” in “illustrator”, and so fixed it to better reflect “the one who drew the character designs” (aka, “character artist”)
No worries, poor Taeko Kaneda wasn’t swept aside! xD
So, this is more similar to the “Making of” book? Lot of text and some pictures? Oh… I wanted to buy it, but if this have more text than picture, then I will pass since I don’t know japanese, but I hope someone share the important info!
Did they really put “the designer” in the original text, because Nintendo would sink so low not to mention who. I have the books and was looking through, and could tell that they were keen not to put his name even when it was necessary. They rather chose to put some guy who was working with us. We don’t here from the other director either?
It will probably be awhile, and there will be a few opportunities. Goodsmile’s site will have it on sale for preorder for a certain period, and then other sellers will get them after that. Or at least, that’s been my experience with figmas, anyways.
I feel the same! I’m hoping to get my hands on that Camilla scale as well, I loved both characters. And I’m sure it will have the Omega Yato, and maybe even another form as well! You never really know what you’ll be getting with a figma, just that it’s cool!
I’m surprised that Mikoto, Flora, and Charlotte are appearing in the drama cds while none of the royal sisters are even mentioned at all. Especially Camilla and Elise since they were placed pretty high in the popularity polls too.
Yeah, I found the latter weird. Perhaps there were scheduling conflicts? From the sound of things, there probably won’t be any more CDs after this (since they already offered the complete box).
It will depends entirely on sales, as always. If it sell well I suppose there will be another CD or Set for Revelations b/c this is mostly Conquest/Birthright.
*after zooming in on the low-res pics of the other character’s official art* Well I’m surprised Niles doesn’t have a more….sadistic looking pose? Plus it looks like we’re going to be getting some side-butt from Odin (freaking Zero in the way) and he has some pretty good legs there. I’m a thigh and ass-man and proud of it.
Interesting that Camilla is being distributed by Intelligent Systems, rather than empty which did Chrom. Perhaps IS wants to make their own figure line?
The way the difficulty will be done or at least how it is described is my personal experience from playing Blazing Sword for the first time and how many of the beginner’s traps I fell for. Would like to see how this game plays out since it is going for a more hardcore and niche fanbase.
Oh I really hope we can find out the character ages! I don’t know why but that would massively interest me, so I really hope that information becomes easily available.
Thank you for even agreeing to show screenshots at all, yet alone translating them. It sounds like we can find out all sorts of amazing things, and we all appreciate it 🙂
And oh wow, I didn’t realise you were the kantopia blog, I’ve seen many translations thanks to you so that’s really awesome 🙂
Thank you so much for the translations, oh wow the ages are really cool! I can’t believe how right/wrong I were with some, haha. Thanks again for all the work ^^
Yup, seems like it. By the way, they provided rough lifespans several years ago on the official Radiant Dawn background website.
“The Beast tribes have 5~6x the average Beorc lifespan, while for the Hawk and Raven tribes it is 10x. Herons live up to 1000 years and Dragons up to 2000 years.”
I like seeing unused stuff like this. That blue haired Stefan, the blue dress on Elincia, younger Calil, and the older Sanaki.
I also like how you have Ike fighting Elinica. Pure gold right there.
I’d preorder it again, but the last time I did that with the N Nendoroid, the shipping cost twice as much as the thing itself. I’ll just wait and see if a certain bookstore near me stocks it…
Naming your continent after a cheap Intel Processor… is STILL way better than not bothering to name the continent at all! Intelligent Systems, take note. Like really, Intel… Intelligent, they’re obviously speaking to you. Hehehe…
I…I didn’t even realize that Fate’s continent didn’t have a name. Of course I can barely care enough about the game to boot it up to play and my general feelings for the game are all negative, but still I would’ve remembered the name of the continent if it freaking had one. Can’t believe I didn’t notice.
Instead of a continent, we get two warring kingdoms, a “hidden” kingdom, and a bunch of random-ass, pointless smaller countries that no one cares about or even remembers.
I really hope this will become the Fire Emblem we’ve been waiting for since 2010.
Does look promising so far. I kinda get FE vibes from it, something the disgraceful new games could only dream of.
…Ignoring Fates’ gameplay. Seriously? Yeah, the story sucks, and the characters are hit-or-miss, but the gameplay is pretty freaking good and blows Awakening out of the water. That’s why I invested over 100 hours into it- because I liked the gameplay.
I know asking someone who calls themselves an elitist in their profile to use logical thinking and not accentuate the negative is pretty freaking stupid, but so am I sometimes.
In all honesty, not much is needed in order to surpass Awakening. Hell, I’d even argue that Shadow Dragon is the game I had the more fun with of those two.
I only played Nohr since Hoshido looks just about as shite as Awakening, but even disregarding all the pandering to waifufags I’ll be damned if the gameplay couldn’t have been better. Why are there a million different skills you have to keep track of? It was always better when classes had either one or no skills, which didn’t require me to spend ten minutes checking every enemy on the map to see if an anomaly could be found and leaving it safe to move. Where is the rescue command? I’m not able to rescue chain anymore, which is partly impossible already because of the exclusive absence of canto. The pair up mechanic is slightly more balanced with the tweaks and the fact that enemies can use it too, but I still think it’s inferior to rescue since it protects one unit and buffs another without any real drawbacks. The whole ‘join-in-to-attack-while-standing-next-to-each-other’-thing is pretty dumb as well, though I suppose it’s one of those things you just have to get used to. Why is it still possible to grind on higher difficulties? Why is it still so simple to promote units? Why was weapon durability removed? Why was the weapon triangle reworked? Why are strategic elements from previous games completely omitted?
The fact that Fates reversed some of the terrible things Awakening did doesn’t make it an amazing game.
There are different strategic elements in play. Yeah, you can’t rescue chain- but you can do similar things with pair-up. And there’s an obvious drawback to pair up- it’s nowhere near as broken as in Awakening, meaning you actually have to decide whether to go for damage or pair-up for defense.
The skills offer greater differentiation for classes and units.
It’s been this simple to promote units in the majority of titles- heck, the localized version of the Radiant Duelogy made it even easier by units auto-promoting at level 20. But apparently not having class-unique promotion items is a flaw?
Weapon durability was removed because they wanted to try something different with weapon effects. The new weapon triangle is due to magic and bows being oddities outside of it in the past.
You’re complaining about older elements not returning and criticizing newer ones for seemingly no reason other than them being new- despite there being more opportunities for strategical depth in them.
There are plenty of things I don’t like about Fates, but there are plenty of things I do like about it as well- and if you want to keep nitpicking things because they’re not exactly like they were in the past, I’ll just call you out and defend the things that I feel are worth defending.
Most of my questions were rhetorical, I do know the ‘reasoning’ behind stuff changing, though that doesn’t mean it’s nitpicking on my part. Seriously, am I in the wrong for being vocal about my favourite game series changing? That certain elements I used to enjoy now are gone or replaced by something else? I may be conservative by nature, but hell if I’m not enjoying FE turning into a generic JRPG, and there is no way I’ll agree that changing so much of an established formula is the way to go.
Not having class-unique promotion items is indeed a flaw. Take FE7 for example. You get a lot of units in this game, which means that you obviously can’t use them all. That’s why you go for a smaller group that you want to use, but you also need to make sure that they all get experience and promotion items, so you have to favor certain units over others. So you used both Oswin and Sain, but you know there is a distance between the first Knight’s Crest and the second one, and you have to decide who to give more kills. This simple concept of smaller rivalries between characters changes how you tackle chapters. Shit, when you can grind endlessly and get them both to 20 anyway it doesn’t really matter. Everyone using the same item to promote means you can just stock up on a few and promote whenever you’d want without really thinking about it. In PoR and RD you got BEXP as another resource to manage which meant you had to play as efficiently as possible, which also changed how you tackled chapters. I’m not saying this is a flaw exclusive to Fates, but it could’ve been better dealt with.
I’m confused however. Your tone implies you have played older FE games, or at least the Tellius games. If that’s the case, how could you possibly argue for Fates being so good? You’re saying that I’m writing off newer elements and talking in favour of older ones, but surely, since I have actually played every single game in the series (bar Gaiden, at least to a certain point), wouldn’t it be me who can objectively say that the gameplay in Fates is not the best in the series? Or maybe I’m actually too biased?!
Keep in mind however that something new isn’t necessarily better. To me it’s more of a headache than a fun experience to consider pair up and skills when in the midst of combat. I can see why people starting with Awakening/Fates would find it fun though.
I never said it was the best in the series- you’re putting words in my mouth. Having played every localized title, I’d place Fates dead center- better than Awakening and FE8, about on-par with RD and FE7, with PoR and SD as my top two.
The problem is there’s no “objectivity” to things- it’s 100% your opinion. The metric of objectivity is being misused here for something subjective.
It’s an objective fact that living creatures need nourishment to survive. It’s not an objective fact that Toyota is better than Ford. Your specific definition of Fire Emblem is not shared- nor is anyone else’s, for that matter.
For example- you obviously put a crapton of stock into unique promotion items. Having been fairly active within the fandom, you’re the first person I’ve seen who’s said that.
You’re acting like fans of the older games can’t enjoy the older ones, and are asking for respect well simultaneously self-labeling as an elitist and putting words in my mouth.
Well, I have nothing else to argue for regarding that then. The fact that you praised the gameplay so much made me assume it was your favourite game.
Yeah, that’s the thing though. I have absolutely no qualms about you enjoying this and that, but I’m confused as to how that is possible, seeing as we’ve shared the same experiences and therefore should be able to relate to a certain extent. Either that or we play the games for different reasons, which would be very likely seeing how you ranked the games. From a gameplay perspective I’d say that FE4/5/6/12 + RD are all better than Fates. They all have some of the richest strategy the series has to offer. I’d recommend you to dive into the emulation scene and play those with translation patches. Maybe you could understand me better then.
But man, loosen up a bit. I never asked for any respect either; what good would getting that from a stranger online do? I mean you seem pretty clever too, unlike other deluded people who think Awakening is gods gift to mankind.
Every game in the series has it’s own merits and issues- FE7 and RD both have stories that have almost as many issues as Fates, for instance.
I’m gameplay first- SD was my first game, thus I really appreciated it’s back-to-the-basics design and minimalistic feel. Path of Radiance I’d say is the pinnacle of 2nd Era FE (1st being Kaga, 3rd being NME onward)- that said, it’s pretty generic, overplays the fantasy racism, and Ike has Stu qualities that nobody seems to call out anymore.
I’ve read a lot of critiques of the Judgral games, and spoiled myself there- FE4 could be cynically described as so much Shakespearean melodrama, and it has major balancing issues of it’s own. FE5, while being probably the most solid in the series from a written standpoint, seems to be pretty much hell the first time through without a walkthrough.
FE12 started all the player pandering issues, and FE6 is Dark Dragon 2.0.
You’re being way too judgmental- you say you have no problem with me enjoying Fates, yet state that those who like Awakening are deluded. Yeah, I came onto you hard at first, but I also think you could loosen up a bit yourself.
I understand where you’re coming from- I myself was incredibly cynical and negative during the period between Awakening’s and Fates’ localized releases. I just got over it and ended up enjoying Fates quite a bit- it has it’s issues, but I’d still say it’s a good game. Not a “Great” game, but definitely a good one.
Hold on now. Granted, the story in RD is not as great as PoR, but it’s definitely intricate and I’d say it’s better than Fates and miles ahead of Awakening. People argue that it’s full of plotholes while in reality that really isn’t the case.
And yea, while story is important it won’t ruin the game for me. The story in SS was subpar but that’s not what I’m going to look at when talking about SS. On the other hand PoR and RD was made infinitely better not only due to the compelling gameplay, but because of the interesting story which included characters that felt like they actually had stakes in the conflicts that were going on. People can talk all they want about how the characters in Awakening and Fates are better because they are oh so quirky and have tons of dialogue, even though in the end it feels like the supports came right off the factory conveyor belt since each character has to get hitched with every member of the opposing sex.
Regarding FE6 it’s important to look at how the game came to be and during which time. It was the first game in a new generation of FE, on a whole new platform which not everyone played on, unlike their famicoms. It was also the first game without Kaga on the team (speaking of him, you should try out vestaria saga). There were so much potential for the game to flop, but it played amazingly and allowed two more games to build upon the same engine. There is a lot of content too, and most chapters are quite different from each other which strengthened the gameplay. Of course, the branching paths in Ilia and Sacae was fun too and made it feel like the players choice actually mattered. It was also here that supports arrived. For all it’s worth, I feel as if FE6 doesn’t get the respect it deserves.
The 3-5 star HMs in SD are absolute cancer, just like in Awakening. That’s my biggest critique and broke the whole game for me since I don’t play on the easier difficulties. But dude, before basing your arguments on what other people say, I’d still recommend you to play both FE4/5 so you can form your own opinions on them. The best game in the series is also the one that sold the least, Thracia 776. It’s unbelievably dense and not easy at all, which for a lot of fans is exactly what a FE game should be, mainstream appeal be damned. Same thing with SMnN, you say it began the pandering while in reality it is nothing like either Awakening or Fates, it only looks like SD but is far superior to that game too (but I see what you’re trying to say). Sadly, a lot of people see FE stacked against Nintendo’s strongest IP’s and think it’s worse since it sells less and doesn’t have as much mainstream appeal. But damn, considering that it took until 2008 to finally release a dud game, I think it just goes to show how strong the series is.
Yes, that is because while Fates is at least bearable, Awakening is not and is for me one of the low-points in the series. I seriously despise the direction the series is heading towards and I fully expect the gameplay to eventually come second to everything else. My dream would to get something akin to the Jugdral games or the GBA games again, not only because I prefer the art in those games but also because I find the gameplay to be much tighter and more interesting than both Awakening and Fates. Since you said you prefer gameplay and enjoyed the minimalistic aspect of SD you really have no excuse not to try at least one of the games I recommended previously. I can assure you it’s far more fun than micro managing dozens of annoying skills.
(had a rough week at work, sorry for not responding earlier)
I have a large backlog + life. I have plenty of excuse not to dive into the legal grey area of emulation.
And skill micromanaging is no worse than inventory management, and while I find the latter enjoyable the former adds some genuine depth to things.
I’ve done pretty much everything but play the Judgral games- I obsessed over them.
You want to know where I first heard the gameplay criticisms of Thracia? An FE fan who had been with the series since Elementary school age and had played every single game in the series besides FE1 and Gaiden- with Thracia being the only one he hadn’t played multiple times.
Radiant Dawn.. oh, RD.
Blood Pacts are just so freaking arbitrary and serve to just railroad the plot. The whole Ashera stuff could’ve been foreshadowed a hell of a lot better.
And then there’s Ike- an already borderline Gary-Stu turned into a pureblooded one that usurped one of the most promising lords the series ever had.
It’s like FE7- sure, it’s “complex”, but there’s fluff over top of major underlying issues.
Vestaria Saga looks like the SNES FE that never was- it’s purely old fashioned. I ideally want a mix of old and new. I have even less of a reason to prioritize it due to a lack of a translation.
Honestly, your rampant usage of hyperbole (“pure cancer”? Seriously?) and willingness to label people while openly proclaiming yourself as an elitist just makes things feel uncomfortable.
Tatsumi Kimishima straight-up said FE is now a major IP- plus, I never saw anybody claim that the series “isn’t good” because it wasn’t a top seller.
Honestly, I don’t feel like continuing this anymore- we have different opinions, good day.
Just FYI, they explicitly said that for Mario you only have to pay once. The in-app purchases tag is displayed on nearly every app that may ever have a need of it and is set up to support it. So, in all likelihood, that’s there to potentially support an expansion later on down the road, like new levels and whatnot.
Um Beatrice’s profile might be a mistranslation. I think it was supposed to mean that she acted as Zeid’s mother figure before she got married to Lytton.
Fun stuff, although I’m not sure the fanart picture needed to be that big for a front page news. It’s rather obtrusive and could use a good crop or resize.
The Japanese fans, and the Cipher community in general, are much less strict about spoilers than the international community, in my experience. Chances are, if you’re looking at the Cipher feed, you’re willing to take that risk, but for here, I would prefer to err on the side of caution rather than accidentally spoil something for someone.
So with Ryoma’s blade sticking out the side, apparently locked with Xander’s blade, I’m guessing there’s a true, full 8 card panorama of the siblings with Xander and Ryoma in the middle
You’re absolutely correct. There’s a teaser for the full 8 card panorama in one of the earlier news posts. I’m tempted to say it was shown during the previous livestream event.
any word on why its taking so long to complete FE Fates Data “miscellaneous” & “Chapter/map/boss” (for each of the 3 paths)? 🙁 im hoping its because everyone is so absorbed in the game & Not because the fanbase don’t give a Sh*^ anymore.
(to all the whiny fanboys who bitch about “FE isnt FE anymore”, im a Resident Evil fan.. i know what it looks like to see a franchise throw everything defining it out the window.. & that IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to whats happening to FE. F@~ing drama queens)
It would be nice if they actually had some male figurines for once. We’ve had Lucina, Tharja, Cordelia and now Camilla. Apart from a heavily warped Chrom and Marth figurine, the only decent male figurines we’ve had have been from FE4, and even then there were more female than male released…
Dood you forgot about Amiibos man. You can burn me for not being full-size figure, but they are at least very nice. I will agree though that lack of bigger scale figures are not in the male variety. Hope to be proven wrong though 🙂
Whoops! I’ll give you that. I knew I was missing some. I kinda count them, but still, no more detailed figurines for the male side is still sad to me, especially with Marth and Ike being everywhere for Fire Emblem :/
Yep! I’ll be the one translating it and will note down your requests. On Day 1 I will hopefully get all that profile info out for the characters. (Though, Ike, Mist, Soren and Sothe have ages listed in FE9 already, so can just add three years : ) )
I’ve been to two different Gamestops in the last week, and each one had an abundance of Robin amiibo on the sale floor. I would just check with your local Gamestops and see if they have any. It’s worth a shot.
My guess is we’ll probably get an HD Port for the Switch. Or maybe a 3DS port. I’d honestly love to see Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn remastered w/ Fates Graphics – and maybe add in grinding for the players who aren’t as good, but like to think they are. *looks at self in mirror*
Besides, having each character a specific class again would be good, but then give us like free DLC skill scrolls that allow people to get a strong start.
I think they would be weird because the character icons aren’t detailed due to the screen size so it would be weird to see them larger on a tv. Still cool it got ported though.
Despite having played through Shadow Dragon multiple times on the DS, I’m going to buy this release just to see if it encourages them to do the same with New Mystery of the Emblem…even though I know that won’t happen outside Japan.
does anyone know of any way to get a hand on a pre order of the official guide book vol 7 ? its sold out on Ami-Ami and I didn’t get to order one because I was head deep into exams T_T
If it’s going to play like a typical FE game in any capacity, I wonder if it’ll look more like the style of the GBA/DS games, since a game with Awakening/Fate’s level of models and such would probably kill battery life on a phone.
I will see what I can do. That booth was the most popular of the Industry booths. I’m not sure what they’ll have tomorrow, but if you send me a request in the next few hours, I can stop by tomorrow and try
THANKS A LOT !!!!!! I’m trying to get the players box character and pixel set.
If you are able to help me just tell me at which bank account I should deposit the money.
Now that they have this – can everywhere else get the last two DLCs for the game – Nohrian Festival of Bonds and Hoshidan Festival of Bonds? Intelligent Systems plz.
My guess is that since the game’s story is based on the player’s decision, a true ending is difficult to sum it up in the manga so Nintendo decided to stop it because of that…..
Honestly, FE as a manga should be its own thing rather than basing it on the main games like how Sonic is different in the Archie Comics unlike his main games…
It’s not that surprising. They didn’t even bother getting Kibayashi for the DLC content. I guess their cooperation didn’t work out that well, like suggested by many of the oddities of the story in the final product (the Fates game itself), unlike what they claimed in interviews.
May was a quiet month? Did you miss that new translation of Genealogy of the Holy War? You know, the first 100% translated and polished one, released on the game’s 20th anniversary in May? The one that actually has a translated opening and epilogue? The one on your own forums? Really? That was kind of a very big deal.
Hot DAMN! Good thing my brother wanted to get a Switch for Breath of the Wild, now I have to contribute to it and we can get it together to save some money in our individual wallets. Here’s hoping it’s as good as Hyrule Warriors!
Exactly how does this strategy series translate into a 3rd person button masher?
Ah doesn’t matter, only $$$ and the fact that every game these days needs to have a DW spin-off matters, right?
Atlus didn’t have much room to shove FE characters into that game, but Warriors games can have upwards of 40+ characters. I’d count on seeing a lot of favorites from the series’ history.
I cant get rid of the possibility of them puting all your brothers of fates, plus the whole team of the Shepperds, plus the team of the idolsphere, and filling the rest with some Marth friends and be done with it.
What I expect is that they’ll fill the game with the “must-haves” from all the games (including Roy for the Amiibo support) then do their research on which of the fringe characters are more popular and make them available as paid DLC. I’ll happily pay extra for Nephenee, Boyd, etc.
A Fire Emblem game of some sort on the Switch was a foregone conclusion, so I was going to preorder the system anyway, but this reveal saw me at GameStop a couple hours before they opened this morning. My son and I have thought an FE / Warriors crossover would be a great idea since we first played Warriors Orochi Hyper for the Wii U, and I’m looking forward to this much more than Tokyo Mirage Sessions. (I greatly enjoyed that game, but the connection to FE was dubious at best.)
If like other Warriors games, flyers won’t be an option. Archers will behave just like you’d expect them to (better at attacking from a distance, not good for tight combat), and beasts will just be tanks. Warriors Orochi III Hyper for the Wii U involved bears, horses and such that you can ride, and they pretty much just bowled everyone over.
Using the recent and marketable titles is fine to start. No different than Hyrule Warriors really, with Mystery of the Emblem being Japan’s Ocarina of Time. Just give me Ike at some point and we’re good.
Dynasty Warriors is already basically a real time version of Awakening. Stat grinding and mindlessly moving your characters forward through an open field while killing everything in front of you. It’s like they were meant to be.
yeah, but seriously this blows. the swords shown in the trailer basically confirms that fire emblem 4 through 10 are going to be heavily under-represented, or just non-existent at all. It’s #FE all over again. Have fun with your game, waifu warriors.
Exactly. I had this exact conversation with someone else, and it seems very likely that the shit tier 3DS games will get at least half of the reps, if not more. I’m sure the gameplay will be fun, and I’ll still likely buy the game, but I can’t help but feel incredibly disappointed if Jugdral for example only get the lords or Alvis.
Whoa, you two, salty much? Have you [honestly] played any of the crossover Warriors games? (I still have a Gundam Warriors game for 360 with characters I’m unfamiliar with, and Hyrule Warriors is really stretching it thin.) They will cover a much wider range than just the most recent installments. Don’t toss your baby out with the bathwater, they are just trying to double down on their recent successes. Just give it a little time to see what the line up will be like before you trash it.
I’m so excited OMFG!!
FE mobile, more looks into FE warriors and possibly seeing how the roster goes, maybe their cards are coming internationally finally, and maybe even showing off their figures too! Maybe even more… Like perhaps a look into their next game? Or FE Fates dlc or inclusions into other games? The possibilities could be endless now that they’re a main Nintendo game series !
“We don’t need a Fire Emblem Fighting Game. That’s what Smash is for”-said my friend…..my braincells couldn’t have died any faster while reading that. Excuse me, but the majority of the fanbase and I actually want to fight using characters besides the 5 mainstream ones that people jerk off to.
Then going on about how FE won’t do well as a fighting series and it should stay as an RPG….again braincells dying.
It sucks though if its completely locked onto the Switch because I don’t see myself buying one anytime soon due to not have extra money for that stuff.
Since the Nintendo Switch is finally Region-Free, we can buy eShop VC titles from Japan. Of course I’ll be buying GotH and Thracia 776 when they come out.
Ehr… “Nintendo of Japan” does not exist. You should correct the text. Nintendo Company Limited (NCL) or Nintendo in Japan.
Nintendo of Japan is just wrong.
What a time to be an FE fan; 3 FE games this year with a main one next year. The Gaiden remake is definitely hype tho, will kind of show newer players what the series was like back in the day, and allows vets to experience Gaiden again but remastered. Great year for Fire Emblem.
Man idk about this, kinda disappointed in how it all turned out. Echoes has potential but I was never that big of a fan of Gaiden in the first place. Hopefully it will change my mind in due time.
Well, i didnt feel insulted, so its alright.
Echoes seems promissing, Warriors still meh, cant wait to see the new game, and Heroes looks just sweet.
Sad no american release of Cyper be mentioned…
20 minutes of genuine Major IP treatment for 4 games.
The Gaiden remake is so unexpected that now I’m seriously going to hope for a Jugdral remake too.
The mobile game aknowledge the existence of the entire saga, granting the ability to vote any character from any game in the prerelease event.
8×6 grid? That might’ve flown on old 2007-era dumbphones or Palm devices, but c’mon. Phantom of the Kill was a mess in a lot of ways, but it looked like a better adaptation of the 3DS FE style to smartphones than Heroes. Not all mobile games need to be dumbed down to two-minute affairs.
Gaiden remake is unexpected, but I enjoyed the original (despite the buggy translation) and it’d be hard to do worse than Fates.
they Did That… nintendo goin in and announcing 4 games within 20 minutes……. i’m not ready for this (gaiden remake is coming a day after my birthday !!!!)
Heroes looks adorable so I’ll download that and maybe play it once in a while. A Gaiden remake is really interesting, but if it just plays like another Awakening/Farts, I’m skipping it.
A game: *is announced, with literally no information as to the contents of it*
You: There is absolutely no chance I will like this thing that I know utterly nothing about
One thing I guess you didn’t notice was that during the part where Robin and Sabre are talking, it is fully voiced. Regardless, really cool analysis! :3
I think it’s cool that they added a new female villager. There’s likely more new characters added if I had to guess. Too bad her and Robin will have to be renamed in the English localization for obvious reasons.
IS, are you redeeming yourself?
A proper remake of FE2 that might even include an enriched storyworld and characters? No Snowflake-flavoured always-right completely worshiped Avatar in sight? Tasteful inclusion of original and new game mechanics? A North American release?!
I’m so gun shy with IS right now, it could be a trap… but all signs point to a redemption! Maybe IS has learned how to properly remake a classic.
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NOW REMAKE FE1 & 3 AGAIN AND DO IT RIGHT! GIVE MARTH A PERSONALITY!!!
And do FE4 and 5 whist you’re at it.
(Anyone else reminded of the Pink Floyd song? Nobody? No one? Was it just me? Okay.)
I’m cautious, because I feel it maybe a trap. They know fans’ weaknesses are getting hopes up that they’ll buy the next game regardless in hopes its good. xD
(But I’m sure as a remake they have good things to work with. I’m more worried about the “brand new games” like on the Switch).
Oh it’ll be definitely a horrible joke of a game in which none of the women wear clothes (except where the government mandates that) and the land’s god is you, the avatar, a creature so infallible that even when making massive and blatant mistakes, everyone still worships and vests absolute power in you… oh, wait, that’s Fates…
What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… A bit like FE10 but the player designs the evil god and also we’re treated to a lot of exposition with characters blindly worshiping and waifu-ing the Avatar. We could even call it Children of the Corrin!
Of course I don’t think they’ll do that… but we will see.
Well, the only female character we’ve seen so far is Celica, and she wears as much, if not more clothing than in her original artwork (it’s placed differently on her).
As much as I like FE2, they would have to works really hard NOT to improve over the original.
It’s OK to be wary, (though Fates was excellent for anything non-story related. And even then, they had at least E for Effort.) but they really now how to sweet talk to us, you’ll have to admit.
“What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… “
Actually I think lots of people fit into your three categories. It’s just that people with complaints will always seem more vocal, since if you already like something there’s usually little reason to gush all the time about it. Whereas if you have a complaint you’d probably try and voice them in as many platforms as you can.
If you notice it’s usually the same like five people bashing Fates all the time. Nothing against them (I actually think they a have few valid criticisms), but I’m just saying they are not the majority you’d think they are.
It’ll be good to properly get to play through Gaiden. It’s probably the game that needed a remake the most out of every game in the series (since FE1 at least you could play FE3 Book 1 before Shadow Dragon came out). I’m also liking the art style for the game, seems like it’d be a good one for FE to stick with for a while.
FE Warriors I really wanted to hear more news about, but upon further reflection, this is about the same amount as we had for Hyrule Warriors at the start, so I shouldn’t complain too much, you’ll probably get bits about it throughout the coming months up to its release.
FE Heroes I’m not personally interested in a game, but it representing FE as a whole gives me hope for FE Warriors, and we have English names for every playable character, some NPC’s, and subtitles that we didn’t get. They even acknowledged FE7’s subtitle for once!
Hidari is apparently the artist for the Atelier series and Fractale. I was wondering why the artstyle looked so familiar. I really like his style for this series and I hope he’ll do future entries. I’m actually quite a big fan of Kozaki’s art in general but it was really overstylized for FE.
This is just my opinion, but I really feel like this artist is a proper balance between the older games’ classic feel and the more modernized anime style of character designs. It’s a really, really good choice.
Hidari also done the Toukiden series, which further proves how capable she is on designing battle ready characters that have great mixture of practicality and style. Her overall aesthetic and design sense sits in the middle between Senri Kita and Yuusuke Kozaki for me, which is great. I could even said that Hidari is a non shoujo versio of Senri Kita (with better design sense on armor).
Kozaki was great in FE Awakening because he was allowed to show his default design sense that rely on realistic side more. It become a mess in FE Fates where he was forced to make his design more fantasy than he could (he already struggling with making his realistic aesthetic to become more fantasy in FE13). It was really bad for Kozaki because since he got a lot of shit for it while all the problematic design we have in the previous two games were the result of the art director.
Small correction: Hidari was ONE artist for Atelier, specifically the games for the Dusk trilogy. Before those, Mel Kishida did the art for the Arland trilogy, and the newest set of games has yet another artist.
That said, I agree that Hidari’s more subdued designs fit FE much better than Kozaki’s (can’t wait for what he comes up with for No More Heroes 3 though). In fact, the color palettes remind me of the PoR/RD designs.
Great as usual Vincent! It may be worth nothing to fans who are unfamiliar with it that the original Gaiden lacked weapon durability which inspired Fates to do the same. I only bring this up since I was asked by a lot of fans whether it would include weapon durability or not. xD
The three swords will probably be some tome-based limiting mechanic, indipendent from stamina, for arena (there is no stamina cost shown in the arena screen) or some other mode.
The “flame” icon could represent dragonstones, since we know Manaketes are in, but stones are not shown anywhere else in the weapons schematic.
I would second this notion based on other mobo games i tried. They function akin to Stamina but are only used for “special event” maps (eg. 1 run on an event map cost 1 sword and 1 sword regenerates every 2 hours).
Looking at one of the screenshots on the website that shows a list of characters, yeah the flame is used for manaketes. Red>Green>Blue>Red. Basic color triangle stuff. Although seeing that Archers, Clerics, and Ninjas use a grey icon, I guess they aren’t effected by the triangle, but can’t gain the bonuses from using it.
Exactly, let’s just hope we can get a GOOD Fire Emblem with a story and supports conversations like PoR + a long and difficult game like RD. With this and a Metroid game, I get a Switch in no time.
I’m actually pretty excited for this even though I’m usually not too big on mobile games. A magical gun that shoots out a waifu (…and a Chrom)? An assault waifle? Sold.
Holy Shit..
Is this a trick or is Intelligent Systems actually reaching out to the veteran fanbase?
That’s a step back on the path of radiance, now do not mess up.
I don’t want to see aaaany cheese or bad character designs.
That does beg the question obviously Tiki would be split into 2 characters being a significant age difference but its 2 years between PoR and RD are they just gonna do one central new artwork or will it be split for each returning character from PoR I kinda hope not cuz that be a lil’ silly
My guess is for the central artwork like they did with Ike (who looks like the Ike from the 2nd part if the game). For Jill I don’t think they will do a “young” version (well if she get to be in the game) but I’m curious for Mist, Rolf or Marcia who got some things changing.
True, people Jill, Volke, Nephenee, Oscar, and Geoffrey don’t have much different but Mist, Ike, Sothe Marcia, and even Boyd are a noticeable difference. Guess we will have to wait and see.
I hope to Christ that it’s 8-4. Some of the support in Awakening were kinda dumb, but almost all of the ones in Fates were just bland. Like- only a meager step above Radiant Dawn.
I want FE4 and 5 more than anything. 4 in my opinion is the best game in the series. Here’s also hoping the localization is actually half decent unlike Fates
the added feminine unit with bangs looks exactly like the villager Effie (compare the sprites and you will see) but it seems like she was promoted into a mage
Yup, I was reminded of that as well, but I didn’t want to make the article bigger than it already is, haha. I totally forgot about Noba and Dain being siblings though (it was super late when I was writing this).
I think ourself (the guy in white and gold robe) can’t fight,because all i saw was he summoning unit,and second the gun hole looks like a keyhole in a door,maybe that gun was the thing for summoning.
I’ve voted for Ayra from Genealogy of the Holy War. She started or popularized the Swordmaster class. We need Genealogy of the Holy War representation.
Ewww, are they getting rid of a separate Magic and Strength stat again? Under HP, it just says “ATC” (probably for “Attack”) before “TEC” (Technique, or Skill). Ugh…
Also, I don’t like the new studio’s animation. It’s choppy and weird. The art takes a pleasant direction, though.
Boey without his red hair is also really, really wrong… he started it! He started the trend!
And as for Effie… if there is an avatar character in this game (there may or may not be), I think it might be her. Starting out as a villager so you can choose what class you advance to would be a neat way to make the unit personalized as well as appreciate their growth. The fact that there is a new character whose name coincidentally sounds like the letters “FE” read aloud seems too convenient not to mean something. (I also want the female version of a player character not to be considered “non-canon” compared to the male counterpart for once…)
Who wants to bet we’ll start finding it on Amazon/eBay over the next couple months at skyrocketed prices?
Who wants to bet we’ll all fight for it anyways?
Goddamn stamina meter. Whoever designed that mechanic in mobile gaming should be shot. I hate mobile games that only let you play for 15 minutes every 4 hours just so they can try to trick you into spending $5 so you can play for another 15 minutes.
I was really looking forward to a Fire Emblem game on my phone, but now it looks like I’m not going to play it at all.
Whoa, I’m honestly shocked that Lyn is leading the polls. That’s great though, it means the original fanbase is not as small as I expected. I’m gonna put in some votes down for her because I really wanna see her win.
The Nostalgia goggles are fierce in this poll. I kinda rooted for Hector over Lyn, but I’m glad to see Elibe get such high praise at this point. Elibe games haven’t had much love from Nintendo in a long time.
Well, excuse me for having different tastes. If anything, really bad experiences with her dying to axe users, super crap defenses and her ending if she doesn’t marry Eliwood or Hector thus erasing any trace of Caelin in FE6 although that part can be understood due to the fact that she didn’t exist in FE6. Tutorial “lord” who held your hand though her entire tutorial, err…story. I’ve been very wary of Myrmidons and speedy units ever since.
Wow. I ask an honest question, because I’m genuinely curious whenever someone has an unusual opinion, and you decide to be rude. By replying in such a crabbyway, you’re only encoiraging people to bite your head off whenever you state said unusual opinion.
My bad but the classes in general (Myrmidon/Samurai/Swordmaster) have let such a bad impression on me that I can hardly find anything good about them. “Encouraging people to bite my head off”? Like I care. I simply stated my opinion on the matter. It comes off a harsh and rude but it’s how I feel.
How the hell did your Lyn die to axe users? I mean, she’s not exactly up there on my list either (I’ve only been voting for FE4 characters haha), but seriously, I remember the weapon triangle being good in the GBA games.
Basically, her defenses are bad enough that even one hit is usually enough to slaughter her if she’s taken even one other hit the entire level, and knowing how much RNGs secretly hate our guts it’s quite plausible that at least one player has had Lyn get wiped by an unlucky shot – I lost Ogma my first Shadow Dragon playthrough to three consecutive axe hits that were all under 20% Hit Chance, so it’s believable.
“How?” Have you heard about the RNG? I’ve seen Myrmidons/Samuraiget hit and dying to axe users a lot to the point I even question the weapon triangle at times. Lyn in particular even died in the prologue once. For her I’d always just have her counter or having her attack and have a healer nearby. Hana and Hinata from Fates kept proving me right to dislike the class in general as they kept getting hit by maces and axes.
I’m all for Lyn, as I love Swordmasters (except where they were butchered in Awakening), and was super glad to have a Swordmaster Lord, but I would have preferred to have a non-Lord in the top 3 just to see the love (can we get some Nephenee love up in here?!?!)
I’d advise that they should vote for Ayra, the first Swordmaster. She’s the first on my list. She was at a time before Swordmasters were butchered. Compared to Lyn, she’s pure nostalgia. I agree that I’d rather have a non-Lord as number 1.
That’s cool I really like all 3 of the leaders but I also saw this coming its going to be very hard for some characters to make the list because they may not be central enough. I wouldn’t be surprised if only like Tiki or Tharja were the only non “lord” character on the list.
AGH
…This makes things difficult. I may have to take more drastic measures – like using my iPod, my brother’s iPod, my mother’s phone, both our home comps, my dad’s laptop, and my grandmother’s comp every day for votes.
Haha, probably not. In all realness, though, I was hoping for like, a Whitewing sister or something instead of just Smash people. Guess I’d better consolidate what votes I’ve got left for Roy…meh. Whatever. I’m splitting mine between two of Roy, Idenn, Limstella, and Palla for anyone who wants to lend a hand.
I think everyone’s kind of tired of Marth by now, plus we have lady Marth so it’s possible some of the male FE players who may have voted for Marth instead chose Lucina.
Wow I’m shocked at this. I knew Ike would be up there but Lyn and Lucina? They’ve already been in the trailer as in the game characters *shrugs* People vote for what they like though.
I think Nintendo plans to release almost if not all characters from each game as characters at some point or other. If you notice up above it says they’ll be given special costumes for the event, so it’s possible that everyone wants to see what kind of exclusive costumes either of those two will get – would Lucina get Masked Lucina as her exclusive, or perhaps her Yukata from the Hot Spring Scramble? What would they do for Lyn? I know I’m interested in seeing these “special Choose Your Legends costumes” particularly on characters that don’t see much love otherwise, like Palla, Idenn, or Limstella, but in the end, I’ll still fight for Roy.
Yeah, I’d figured they’d get special art, which I know people would love for their favorite character, but my logic is if they’re already in the game, then vote for one who isn’t confirmed yet (like me and Cordelia)
AH MAN I FORGOT CORDELIA
…There goes tomorrow’s vote. I was going to just vote for Roy, but then I remembered Idenn, then Limstella, then Palla, now Cordelia, probably remember somebody else I want by tomorrow, so meh.
Hopefully Ike wins by techincality, or at least 2nd place. Isn’t anyone voting for Radiant Dawn Ike? and Will the votes merge or will both Ike’s be treated as different characters?
This is what I want to know. Both my wife and I have spent all our votes thus far on RD Ike, so I would hope they are combining, but it seems not. I actually get tired of young Ike being pushed over the mature, literally cannot lose, true bad-A Ike.
Radiant Dawn is pretty cool since its Ike’s character coming full circle. but… I dunno, a lot of votes where thrown in on Radiant Dawn ike at this point. might as well keep going. though i do recommend switching Ike for path of radiance. HE IS at 3rd place already.
I expected Lucina to be #1 but seeing Lyn is equally disappointing for me. What about L’Arachel? Minerva? Tharja? Marisa? Micaiah? I dunno, I feel like there are other women in FE that would be more deserving than a character who we’ve already seen in the promo’s/trailer.
Minerva has been confirmed along with Tharja as both were in the trailer. Micaiah is likely I think since she’s a lord, La’rachel could be possible since healers are in the game (Wyrs in the gameplay trailer and Lissa in the opening, I also noticed Sakura in the background when they showed a lot of characters, she’s on the far left in the back) Marisa I would like to see but who knows tbh.
Micaiah is the Lord equivalent in Radiant Dawn, and thusly has Main Character status, which pretty much guarantees her inclusion. As for the others, there’s really no reason to believe Nintendo won’t at least try to add every character they can to get as many people as possible into this game because more players means more people to go buy the Orbs that probably won’t be all that common through regular gameplay.
Not to be “that guy” even though typing this will make me that regardless, Nintendo is not the one making this game. If my information is correct it’s DeNA.
Oh, really? I didn’t know that. I do still think the idea of adding every character they can to get as many people buying those Orbs as possible is still relevant, that just means who will Nintendo allow them to have instead of who will Nintendo choose to add.
Well it’s not like it matters much anyways since they’d just be special launch versions/cosmetics of the winning 2 genders. Still, I’d like to see people voting towards characters not seen on the covers ya know?
Hector >>>>> Lyn in that game! There are a lot of better characters in the whole franchise, but people still voting for the main characters. Lyn badass swordmaster? naaah the definition of a badass swordmaster is Karel.
Wants precious NOW!!! Also while Ike is in the group shot would like to see more PoR/RD in there or at least confirmation that you can get everyone from all games at the start
Knowing most Summoner-Type games, it’s doubtful everyone will be available as a possible first hero, and it’s also likely that certain characters will be purposefully withheld so they can be released later as part of exclusive events to ensure everyone rushes out and buys a bunch of Orbs so they can try to pull the rare hero while they can, so I’d say don’t let your hopes get too high or you may get quashed.
Yeah, it would. With other games like Brave Frontier and KHuX, I’ve seen them give you a way to look at what the full list of Medals/Units/what-have-you that you can get from each Summon Gate/Other such thing is, and I think they’ll at least try to do that here, but if not, then I guess we’ll just have to cross our fingers, eh?
I gotta say I’m very disappointed that Eirika is in the top 10 considering she is mediocre at best (as far as I remember), and she has the personality of a rock…And not a boulder in the ocean, but a pebble in a desert, so really bad….
Also sad to see Nephenee so far down on the list 🙁
How does having to train him make him not broken? Aptitude alone makes him shoot past everyone ridiculously early, meaning if anything he’s more broken when you consider he has to go through ten extra levels before he can start doing normal things as he gains like five or six stat growths every single level.
Except Donnel has a hard time just leveling up. His awful Str means that you’re dumping a Forge on him just so that he can kill enemies, and his awful HP and Def means that he requires a pair-up just to survive a single hit. And much of everyone in Awakening that joins earlier than Donnel starts cruising as soon as they get going. The difference is that none of them actually have to go through a “suck period” like Donnel does. This includes Panne, who has virtually identical growths to him even with Aptitude considered.
Ask anyone else at the forum on this site, and they’ll all tell you the same thing.
He’s not terribly difficult, he just requires a little more work than most others – all you need to do is ALMOST kill an enemy with somebody else, which is fairly easy if you have Champions of Yore or, as an easier route, EXPonential Growth as he can beat the Level 1 Entombed on his own with nothing more than a Glass Lance and they’ll level him up easily enough, not to mention he gets Armsthrift and insane Luck at the end of the day so you can give him all the best weaponry without fear of breaking anything you needed for a real challenge like Apotheosis. In the end he still outperforms many of the rest of the Shepherds – I’d take him over Vaike or Sully any day, for example, and, addressing your comparison to Panne, I would argue Counter is a better Skill than Lethality to pass on to any Female Gen 2 character as Counter is a Male-Class-only Skill while Lethality can be learned by any Child character provided you set the parentage up right, not to mention that I’ve found Donnel infinitely more useful than Panne for at least three-fourths of my twenty-odd playthroughs just from the Class Tree setups the two have.
Wait wait wait. If your a serious committed fan in the first place, and you don’t do some “nuz-lock” challenge (i’m referring to pokemon) where you set limitations on yourself like for example, no re-classing and no spamming Reeking boxes, and you actually take the time to make sure each character gets the best possible skills from their class trees, all character will end up having green stats across the board (maybe not resistance. FE produces hate resistance and give bull $hit growth rates every game)
Your even talking about USING DLC and if people happen to have paragon from Bloodlines 3, and EXPotential growth already as is, mine as well keep reclassing (while getting good skills in mind so stopping around lv10 if u just want the lv5 promoted skill or stopping at Lv15). At best i noticed once they’ve gained about 40-ish to 60 levels they will have green all across. So how many times you have to re-class, 3 right? Thats 60 levels plus the few if they come unpromoted.
You say “not terribly difficult”, and “a little more work” but playing on Lunatic let alone Lunatic+ and you don’t have the luxury to hold back or leave enemies half finished off. In fact starting from Lunatic onward, Donnel can’t get any damn kills with his low Str even with a forged lance. His skill is too low and he can’t land a hit with a % or 70 or lower and his speed makes him horrible at dodging. Seriously the chapter he comes on during Lunatic enemies already have Steel Axes and hit like 27+ damage and with his like 2 or 3 def they are going OVERKILL by like 5 points with his cheap HP. Even Kellam can’t save him with boosted 4/5 def from pairing. Donnel is an insult to characters like Nino and Est with high growth rates but near end-game entry.
First off, only the characters you use will have their stats straight up green, not necessarily all of them – as I mentioned, I usually avoid Vaike and Sully and I also generally skip Kellam, Miriel and Ricken because I usually find that other characters do what I would use them for but better, like Stahl, who outperforms Sully most of the time as a Swordmaster early on since he begins with a headstart on Weapon Strength and Astra is an excellent Skill to get for either Cavalier for late game, or my own Avatar, who does all the Magic stuff Ricken and Miriel does but better. Secondly, if you’re playing Lunatic, just obtaining Donnel is a marvelous feat and I commend everyone who pulled that off, but that’s part of why I mentioned using EXPonential Growth in the first place – it’s the same across the board no matter what difficulty you’re using. Also, you can’t really compare Donnel with Nino and Est fairly because Donnel arrives earlier in the story than Nino/Est and his Class setup is different not to mention you have the DLC for grinding whereas with Nino/Est you have no such bonus, so you need to treat them differently. Also, what’s weird about using DLC? You kind of sound like it’s some plague, but I’ve been using it to grind out for a 100% complete Support Log because it’s the easiest way, and I’ve needed Rogues and Redeemers 3 because I’m not quite ready to take Apotheosis on without Limit Breaker and I’m a bit of a completionist so I’m trying to finish every DLC episode, not to mention get every possible Skill on every character.
Really, in the end it’s a matter of preference as to Donnel’s brokenness, but I think that there are players who have ground him out and loved him and voted for him because of that, although it is possible that there are a bunch of people who were like “Look, we all know it’s going to be Lord-Spam Glory for the top list, so let’s at least try for ONE really out-there guy, like that one kid with the pot on his head.” so that’s another possibility.
Bro….your missing the point of what some of us are telling you. In fact your response to me was off topic. I don’t know how your interpreting what i said but first I don’t have a problem with DLC users. In fact i’ll come clean. I use powersaves/ActionReplay. I did a few play throughs the legit way when the game first came out but after i got AR i started putting Dragonskin on every character, armsthrift, and giving myself a bunch of stat boosting items plus infinite money. I prep teams just for spot-passing and taking on Apothesis. So all characters feel the same to me since i can put whatever skill i want on anyone.
Now the point some of us are trying to make is that Donnel isn’t broken/superior. His maximum stat modifier is +1 str, +3 luck, and +1 def. So compare him to a hero like Gregor. Gregor’s maximum stat mod is +2 str, +2 skill, and +1 def. This means that with all across max green, Gregor has 1 more str then Donnel, 2 more skill which for some skills can be like +1/2% activitation rates, where as Donnel only beats Gregor with 3 luck if all stats were green across. That means Gregor is a superior Hero becuz he has more stats that matter. Now say you make him Bow Knight. Gregor still has better stat maximums so who else can be a BK? Virion. His stat modifier is +2 skill and +2speed so as a bow knight, Yeah Donnel has 1 more str and def compared to V-man but Virion has 2 more skill and speed so again 1 or 2% more activitation rate and better dodge. Now say you make him warrior. Vaike’s modifiers are +3 str, 1 skill and speed. So as a Warrior with all green stats Vaike would have 2 more str and 1 more skill/speed then Donnel which are stats that matter. Donnel only beats Vaike as a warrior with 3 more luck and 1 more def.
Whatever class Donnel picks to end-game with, his maxed out stats still aren’t better then Gregor, Virion, and Vaike. Instead of the effort you put into raising Donnel,all you have to do is re-class those 3 guys and give them a few extra kills/levels so they can get all green. Donnel isn’t superior. In fact if anything, all 13 children characters are broken if you match up the right parents with their modifiers that they pass on and pick the right classes. Severa as a hero can hit like 51/52 skill depending on her father, Inigio can get more str/skill plus if you make Chrom his dad, get the Rightful King +10% skill, and…..well basically i can go on and on and on. Children are broken on this game. They are better than their parents becuz of how their stat modifiers work.
And all i’ve been talking about is stats. If i brought up skills even then Donnel isn’t that impressive. Virion can get 3 breaker skills, life taker, and whatever else you want making him an HP Dodge tank. Gregor has access to astra, axefaire, swordfaire, a breaker skill, and a variety of self-assist skills that make him great as Hero with +5 damage, and …..again i don’t need to bring up broken children. Putting aside his appearance, peronality, and whatever else people look at and think is great about him, objectively, he isn’t a great unit. Again, objectively, he is not a broken/superior/good unit. That is the point we are trying to make. Preferences is like a synonymous word for BIAS. You prefer him so you think he is good, but objectively he isn’t. His stats don’t match up, his skills don’t match up, and end-game after about 60 level ups, his growth rates don’t matter. If you like his personality thats fine. Or his looks. But don’t call him a broken/good character. He is broken but not in the good way.
Thanks for the zip file! Saved me the trouble of going through and getting each individual one myself 😛
Glad Ephraim made the top 10 of the males as I think he’s a very underused character. And Lyn nabbing the top spot of the female list is just awesome as she’s one of the first FE characters I’ve known about.
Lucina and Tharja are most likely suffering from LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) they would probably be able to beat Lyn singularly, but being both in the same pool split the Awakening fanbase enough to make Lyn come on the top.
On the other side Ike is simply a beast, even splitted against freaking HIMSELF, being able to be N°1 and N°5 at the same time.
The only Japan-only character is Roy, that has smash popularity, so obviously western votes were dominant, a testament to FE increased success in the western market and a global interest for FE Heroes.
Funny Dorcas at 18 in the male pool: is he genuine or there is some rallying around for a joke entry?
It should be Eliwood in second and not Roy…I really don’t see why people like Roy so much. His character is weak and this guy is the worst lord in the entire series.
We already have that thanks to Smash 4. As of the current results, they’re nothing but a huge embarrassment to the Fire Emblem fans who played most of the games.
Not to terribly surprised by this list sad theres no Jill on it but happy to see Nephenee and both Ikes with PoR Ike being at #1 and out of everyone Lute is hands down the one person I did not expect to see on this list
I know that feel bro, but hey if only Jill, Titania and Nephenee are included in the game, that’s enough to make me happy^^
But the fact that PoR Ike is number 1 is giving me faith for the FE fanbase!
Agreed be nice if they sectioned them off by series buy orbs for people from the Elibie series or the Tellius series otherwise it be really freggin random
ROY’S ALMOST THERE!!! HE’S NEARLY THERE! IT’S LIKE SMASH BRETHREN ALL OVER AGAIN!!! WHO WILL COME OUT ON TOP?!?!?!
Also, people still remember who Chrom is?!
If Owain hadn’t been in the top 20 I would have been seriously disgusted with the FE Community as a whole.
I don’t really get Ike and Marth being split, but I’m not complaining because otherwise Roy would have literally no chance of beating Ike looking at where Ike is on the list AFTER they split the votes, and Marth wouldn’t be too far behind since he’s so popular.
*This is where I put all the hate from my choices not being in the top 20.* But, seriously, where is Midori? I think Midori is a better character than Sakura.
Characters who aren’t key to the plot are usually at a major disadvantage. Children moreso, since not everyone recruits them. So it’s rather intriguing when you have characters like Owain and Severa make it to the top.
Owain has a bit of an advantage in that his extreme dramatism makes him more memorable. Hell, when he yelled out “IT GNAWS AT MY SOUL!!!!” my first thought was that I had to send a screenshot immediately to my old college roommate, as we used to do the whole fake-over-dramatization of everything.
Replace Eirika and Robin with Nephenee and Anna/Tiki and I’m happy.
Sad that L’Arachel didn’t even rank, but not really surprised. The massive influx of newbies only have two games to pick from, so they’re for sure going to get their picks in- but we veterans have the entire series to choose from. A lot tougher to get a unified front for who we want.
I’m also quite annoyed that the Black Knight is nowhere to be seen.
Everybody spam Nephenee to try and get her into the top 12- she’ll make the calendar that way.
Also- I think people are misunderstanding the vote- everybody is already in. Or will be. The main outcome of the votes are the top two getting special outfits and top 12 getting featured in the calendar.
Im in a bit of a weird spot. I am a relatively new fan, started with awakening, but I feel like a veteran trapped inside the body of a newer fan xD I mean, I havent played too much of the older games, as I sadly don’t own any consoles apart from 3DS and my emulator broke down in the mid of my FE7 run, but I do agree with like all the hate awakening and especially fates get. I love those games, but I’m sure Id lover the older games a lot more, if only I were able to play them, as I hate the whole waifu and grinding aspects of the newer ones… I’m rooting for Black Knight ofcourse.
I meant I agree with all the reasons people prefer the older games over them. Despite those things I still loved them as strategy games. I absolutely love them, bot I agree completely with people who hate on say, Corrin, bad story arcs, Camilla, petting, phoenix mode etc. This is why I think Id enjoy the older games more, which doesnt mean I dont like Awakening amd Fates, which I still enjoyed.
Probably Black Knight votes got Split between Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn…. I think he would surely win in a villains only vote!! I think Nintendo should Split the top heroes vs heroines and Top male and female Villains!!
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I think they should unite Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn characters votes it would surely change the list and also Marth votes!! As an Older Fire emblem fan Its a shame Fire emblem Super NES characters like Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia are not appearing in the list probably because they launched only in japan and are unknow to Western new fans!! Neverthless is a good list with variety from gba games!!! Awakening and Fates have the majority of the votes but they deserve it because they promoted the franchise to another level…. and because of that “tomorrow” we can enjoy FE Shadows of Valentia!!
Well, a fair number of them have already been in FE! Laura Bailey was Lucina; Sam Riegel was Donnel, Stahl, and possibly one other from Awakening that I can’t remember. Marisha Ray was Effie, Mikoto, and… Oboro, I think? Or was it Orochi? I always forget, but she was one of those two, in Fates. Liam O’Brien is perhaps most notably Inigo/Laslow, though he’s had some others, including Izana. And if we’re going way back to the early days of Critical Role, Orion Acaba was also in Awakening, though I don’t remember who exactly he was. So here’s hoping they all get to keep their roles for Heroes!
It disheartens me that Ike is actually there twice. I used to like him as a character, but it feels like he’s everywhere and too overrated. I don’t want two of the same character, especially since I don’t even want one of him >.<
Kiss any notion of FE6’s manaketes being standard goodbye. More likely than not there’s a manakete Sprite for FE6, FE8, FE9/10 (Dragon Laguz), FE11/12 and FE13. I imagine the Corrins will have their fates style dragon form as well.
Well most of my favorite characters are 11-20s so I guess dreams ded. gz to others
I can’t really remember, is there anything for people other than 1st place?
Also, I’m curious how the votes would’ve gone if more limited, because it feels like there’s a lot of Fates&Awakening characters here
I won’t say i’m shocked, cuz its more like baffled that Soren didn’t make it to the top 10. I knew there was meme going on with gender bender Soren with Ike and even without the gender bender alot of Yaoi shippers for those two so i figured some girls would vote him in, but putting that aside, Soren makes Robin look like a noob in terms of strategy and intellect. Robin made mistakes. Failed to predict the Risen during Emm’s execution and getting trapped in Fort Stiger by the turncoat rebels. Soren didn’t make any mistakes. And when the laguz leaders ignored his advice and messed up, he still fixed their problem. Plus the kid is HALF DRAGON. He was like the loli (or in this case shota) manakete. (referring to Tiki, Nowi, Myrrh, Fa). Maybe i’m too harsh on Robin or biast but i’m still baffled. I voted Soren at least +7. Also devasted Leanne (PoR or RD) didn’t make it. Who doesn’t like fiesty delicate looking angel girls? That girl had spunk challenging others.
At least a small control over the people you get is nice. Now just have to figure out how its sectioned off and then the hunt for my favorites begins ;P
Thanks for the catch. Capcom, not Nintendo, released Mega Man on mobile devices. That’s what I get for having just recent played the game on console and not paying attention to the opening banners
Sounds like you have to pay if you want a super specific team of characters (like how some people play Pokemon games), but can get by fine if you go with whoever the game generates. Pretty reasonable for FTP–kind of like a worldwide version of the TCG without the usual TCG nonsense. May throw them a few bucks just as a tip.
“Nintendo Treehouse is responsible for the localization of Fire Emblem Heroes. They’re pretty reliable.”
You’re joking right? If they don’t make the game a total mess, I could trust them a little bit more, but there’s no way I can forgive them for all these bad localisations they’ve done so far, with just a mobile game. If FE Echoes have a good localization, then okay.
Hey dude relax^^ I was just saying that the article seems to be really “cool” with Treehouse’s localization. I just want to believe they can do a good work like they used to. Now that the dust has settled a lot of people agree that Treehouse has made really bad decisions (censoring FE Fates more that it should have been and censoring TMS so much that it has barely anything in common with the original game(: and it flopped so hard) are the most known examples)
And Treehouse’s localization of Fates being bad is far from an unwarranted opinion, a lot of it is based in fact.
That Treehouse’s translation was inaccurate at times (actually quite often) is fact.
That typos persist in more than just a few occurrences throughout the English script is fact.
That Treehouse removed game content is fact.
That Treehouse scrapped and re-wrote entire segments of text to be completely different from the original script is fact.
That the English dub is poor actually IS opinion (although if you think it was good I’d have to vigorously disagree), but that the Japanese audio was cut out entirely is fact.
People have every right to criticize these choices, since these are all things that make for poor localization. And they should, because these things shouldn’t be acceptable. Treehouse has become synonymous with shoddy localization due in no small part to how they handled Fates, and mere mention of their name attached to a game makes many people worry about the game in question. Especially considering that they are Nintendo’s main in-house localization team and will work on a majority of first- and second-party software.
So what? We just wait and see games with more and more content removed? Don’t tell me that TMS#FE had a good localization, the localized version really looks silly compared to the original one. I know Nintendo is really slow with understanding what they did well or wrong but come on, just because we get a localization means we should be happy and thankful even if it’s crap? Starfox Zero/Metroid FF were the new games from series the fans were waiting for and it turned out these games were not what the fans were waiting for. But they should be thankful only because they got a game?
No, they’ve been pretty bad and deserving of such low expectations. I mean, personally I think it was disrespectful of Treehouse to hand me Fire Emblem Fates with cut content and a heaping pile of their own garbage on top.
Not looking forward to whatever they do with Heroes, a lot of these are characters who haven’t had the chance to be ruined by them yet.
Well some of us are enjoying the game, the skin skip was really an odd mechanic and the some of the clothes are really weird. I’m ok, with everything else in Fire Emblem Fates also.
The skinship feature’s controversy was a cultural differences thing. Personally I’m more of the mind that these things shouldn’t be removed, rather they should be embraced to show the differences between cultures, but regardless of how one feels about it the fact remains that it was an optional game feature which they decided to remove. The simple answer is that it was deemed to be too sexual in nature, so they nixed it (rather late into the localization process it seems, as digging through the English voice files will show you some that would have been included with the feature), since Treehouse seems to despise any form of even remotely mature content; even in a series as not-kid-friendly as Fire Emblem, which frequently deals with unsavory topics such as racism, genocide, murder, and even taboo sexual topics like incest and occasionally even rape.
And the reason why I believe that last point is because other cultural things that came from Japan, such as the lottery drawings, remained unchanged (Google “garapon lottery” or just “Japanese lottery wheel” and you’ll see what I mean).
And the reason for the removal of certain clothing options wasn’t because they were “weird”, tons of weird clothes still exist in the US version of the game. It was because they showed skin, plain and simple.
It’s great if you can enjoy it for what it is, but as someone who had been eagerly consuming all available news about the game since it was first announced, I had a very good picture of what I was missing out on between the JP and NA versions and it soured the game experience for me. And the reason why I don’t like the thought that criticizing their localization is “disrespectful” to them is because I personally think Treehouse themselves were pretty disrespectful to both the game’s fans and original creators when they decided what of the game’s original content the consumers are or are not okay with.
That’s the last I’ll say on the subject, as I already went through these topics way too many times around the time Fates first came out.
So yeah… Heroes. Honestly looks a lot better than I thought, especially as far as a mobile game is concerned, but I’m still cautious about it. I see all the standard mobage fare that, after playing a few different ones, set off a bunch of red flags in my mind. But we’ll see how intrusive those things are once the game comes out.
That’s still no reason to blame the treehouse for that. Like I said previously, don’t blame treehouse because they are told what to do. Blame the NoA division as a whole.
And I agree with @kingmarth64:disqus, its really disrespectful to blame Treehouse for all this kind of stuff. You’re pretty much asking Nintendo to cause them to lose their jobs for something that they were ordered to do so.
Also to note…I don’t see what Fire Emblem Heroes has anything to do with the treehouse. If they are the ones doing the localisation of the game, then it would simply be impossible to censor that game for them since well…its on mobile so unlike consoles, its not that simple to censor content.
They can’t mess with the game itself, since I believe it only has a single server (meaning that game content is going to be the same across all regions), but what they can easily do is rewrite things. The sole difference will be the text and language option, the English version of which Treehouse will likely have full control over.
An example of what may happen here would be how KLab Games’s English localization team removed and/or edited numerous conversations in the English version of School Idol Festival that depicted homosexuality, but they were caught because many fans play both the JP and US versions of the game and noticed the discrepancies. After some public criticism they apologized and fixed the translation to be more accurate to the original, but that’s something that I don’t see Treehouse ever doing with any of their issues. Because A, they hardly ever respond to anything, B, when they do respond they double down and get defensive, and C, they’ve had ample time to do such for games they’ve messed with in the past.
I was kind of more referring to TMS#FE than Fates (and the fact, that since Xeno X they seem to get worse and worse). I may be excessive, you’re right but when you look at these game and you compare them to PoR’s localization, you can see there’s a huge gap between them.
Treehouse is not what it once was. Now It seems like it’s full of 25 year olds trying to emulate their favorite Anime, not the original version either, the terrible dubbed version. Fates had one of the worst localizations I’ve seen in a while. I can’t wait until switch is out and the new Fire Emblem is released so I can get the PAL version and play it region free and Treehouse free.
Yeah but the Treehouse will (sadly) continue to localize these games, we’ll only have the japanese version to play. I just want Nintendo of Europe to localize games without Treehouse interfering…
What the hell you’re talking about? Their localizations are great. What you’re referring to is censoring which isn’t just treehouse alone but what NoA is in general. They have always been known to censor things that Japanese games often had.
Look at other games that they localized besides Fire Emblem. They have done great jobs into translating the Mario games, Kirby games etc. The reason why Fire Emblem is often censored is because Fire Emblem has some dark moments that is begging NoA to censor them in the first place.
Why Fates did not have dual voice? Because the Japanese game is slightly dark than the one that’s localized.
So don’t blame the treehouse for the censoring. Blame the whole NoA division for doing so because they aren’t ordered by NCL to censor content so its NoA’s free will to censor it if they so wish to.
Fates and Awakening had terrible *scripts*. I don’t know that you can blame Treehouse for that. It seems like the writers have taken all of the worst elements of modern anime.
While the scripts may have been rather clunky for both, the localisation of Awakening was loads better than Fates. I wouldn’t blame the VAs, though- they did their jobs well- but rather whoever was the director for just some God-awful decisions (mentally-challenged Effie and Helium Nyx, for example). Their adaptations for some of the supports were terribly bland, too.
As for the censoring- I’m actually not really mad about that. There are cultural differences to account for, and Soleil’s support was doomed no matter what they did. The MyRoom/petting thing is pretty awkward either way.
Nah (no, not Nah)- the main appeal of Fates is really gameplay and music. The character writing was fairly weak overall, and the voicework ranges from quite decent (Azura, getting someone who could actually sing was a smart move), to just plain insulting (Effie).
On a more positive note- at least from what we’ve seen- the localisation of Heroes seems to be shaping up fairly well. The voicework is solid, anyways. The writing remains to be seen.
It’s just me or you just can’t have japanese voice with any other written language?
Even with the japanese version of the game after changing the game language to anything that is not japanese it force resetted itself to install (and change to) the english voices.
No way to change that, as far as anyone has figured out.
I should have expected this, really. Hopefully somebody will get a hacked .apk out that fixes this.
Doesn’t seem to be avaliable on the Pacific coast yet. Don’t know if that’s just my area/timezone, or if the whole of America is waiting. And does it require contant internet? I presume that it does.
Alright, I’ll wait. 83 Hm. I figured that it did, but my dinky phone can’t handle big games, so it’ll probably be on my tablet. But it doesn’t look like itneeds you online every hour, so it should be okay.
Is it out for US yet? Link to Apple Store maybe? I only have iOS and i know it’s for Japan and UK but I rather wait for US version. Any news yet? Thanks I know I’m asking a lot I just wanna play it.
So wasn’t my plan to reroll my game, figured I’d just live with who I got but 3 green and 2 gray orbs. Azuma, Wrys, Gunter, Barst, and Cecilia Rank 3 all of them. All people I really couldn’t care much about. So rerolled and got 5 star Lyn so yeah call that a good trade off.
Best part is that now they’ll have to add the Heroes characters to Cipher. Maybe if Heroes gets popular enough and we can get word out, we can get them to internationalize it.
Yes, yes, I know about it being out for a year and a half now, but does that really mean I must give up hope for Cipher in English?
Is there a light version or an apk that is better for weaker phones? Because I’m a huge FE fan, I’ve been so hype for this & now I can’t even get passed the tutorial before it crashes. I don’t want to miss all these cool 1st month events. What should I do?
Not sure if it’s viable, but if you have a fairly new-ish PC or laptop, you could try looking into Bluestacks, the Android emulator. That’s what I’ve been using to play Heroes when I’m at home.
Might not be the right place for this, but something that I’ve found interesting is how tanky the healers are. I’ve actually put Lissa and Serra right on the frontlines to soak up hits. I suppose it make sense, as keeping them out of harms way would be a lot tougher with how scaled-down the maps and movement are.
One orb per map is appallingly low, though- given the cost of summoning. If you don’t want to be throwing money at them, you’d best pray for some good units and stick with them for a while.
I meant simply in stats. They have remarkably good Defense as well as Resistance. Normally they’re quite fragile, but now I often use them to hold chokepoints while I set up kills for my other characters who are either too slow or too squishy to face more than one enemy at a time.
For those with a My Nintendo Account linked, you can also obtain Platinum Coins for completing chapters, which you can use on non-FEH rewards or on FEH stuff, like packs of 500 Universal Crystals/Shards, Stamina Potions, Light’s Blessings, or Dueling Crests. You can also use your normal Platinum Coins on FEH stuff, so if you have a bunch of PCs in your account that you weren’t planning on using for anything there(the selection has kind of sucked for a while now), then there’s a way to nab some free levels, Stamina, or retries without having to dig out the wallet.
Good to see that they’re not gonna be total dicks about the in-game resources.
Be nice if there were more/better ways to get freaking feathers, though. And some way to upgrade your stamina- it’s absolutely prohibitive at higher levels.
If you have a My Nintendo Account linked, you get 100 Platinum Coins after every chapter cleared, and you can buy either a Dueling Crest or a Stamina Potion for 100 PCs. That should in theory do something for you.
If you’re able to get your account linked, I think you should be able to go get the Coins even if you completed the Chapters first, but I’m not sure. Also, I don’t know if you heard, but you also get 10 Orbs free if your account is linked.
I can’t confirm, but it does say the requirements for each of those Missions is simply that the Chapter say it’s completed, so if you link after completing it would make sense for it to count. On the other hand, it IS Nintendo we’re talking about, so they may have not thought of that. If there’s anyone left who didn’t link before playing who’d be willing to check, that’d be great.
We’ll know soon whether or not feathers are easier to get. Right now we’re all in the lowest arena tier, 7th platoon. After they’re done tabulating tomorrow some of us will have moved up to a higher tier where the rewards would likely be higher.
Don’t rely on Twitter’s translation feature too much, it can be wrong. It actually reads that you will receive a 3* character for playing the new map, which I assume will be Narcian.
Actually technically it says we have a ‘chance’ at getting a 3* character, but I assume that just means you have to win the map.
Love the analysis. Was slowing down the trailer myself trying to pick out all the little details that flashed by so quickly. Thanks to this very detailed analysis I put it all together with my thoughts in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3LnxR6eDY Check it out if you want a visual representation. Serenes <3
And so it all boils down to this…
Who won? Did Ike carry his lead to the end, or did Our Boy manage to wrest the title at the last second?! THE SUSPENSE IS PRACTICALLY TANGIBLE!!!!!
Seriously, bro? I didn’t want spoilers.
Ah, well. At least they decided to give Roy a fancy new getup too. Hey, wonder if Cipher’s going to do any Promo cards for them in their CYL gear in the future!
*disregards information saying it’s barely a gap and then says it not officially counted* sounds a lot like the presedential election haha. To each there own. But to me it’s this way. Which character got the most votes. Answer Ike (no one says Ike from Path of Radiance is the most popular character people only ever say the character)
No stop trying to hide facts also 1. There different personality, age and appearance wise 2. People prefer PoR Ike to RD Ike they are 2 version that count as 2 characters also its about both MALE and FEMALE so this doesn’t matter the results are obviously final.
They are the same character that’s the point haha. Of course people prefer por to Rs Ike. But it’s still Ike :). Alsooooo. If it doesn’t matter why argue ? :). I’m not ignoring disregarding facts. Lyn beat path of radiance ike and she beat radiant dawn Ike. Never said she didn’t. Said she didn’t beat Ike 🙂 which she didn’t. Lyn got less votes than Ike. Is that not true?
Not your point. But my point throughout this whole thing was Ike got the most votes. Ike =most popular. Not Ike won or that it was male vs female. But agreed. Yay awakening and gates not winning
I’m trying to figure out why anyone gives a crap about whether merging the two made any difference – Ike won the Male vote no matter how they split it and had absolutely nothing to do with Lyn because they split it into Gender Lists, the only difference to the Top 20 list that would have happened had they merged individual character votes is that Marth would have beat Chrom by 774 votes, and that would only have changed the order of the calendars.
From my point of view at least. It’s this. When a company conducts a popularity test from characters etc. it’s usually used in the marketing material for following games. Ike in smash and all that. So it will be interesting to see what happens. Roy is in smash because he was “popular”. While I enjoy Ssb FE has been my favourite series for over 15 years. So while it doesn’t really matter either way. It’s interesting to see how they will market things in the future. Using the chrom and marth thing as an example. Marth technically got more votes than chrom. Wouldn’t it be interesting (it won’t happen pretty much guaranteed) if chrom was used in promotiona material such as ssb instead of Marth. Lyn instead of Ike I’m sure some people would be happy about whereas others wouldn’t care. So it matters in a way that is if it has any influence on what they choose to promote. Things like this interest me. What can I say
Ah, alright then. I would, however, like to point out that Roy’s game wasn’t actually out yet in Japan when Melee was released – he was initially put into Smash to sell his own game, he and Marth were only kept in the overseas version because Nintendo’s overseas audience took an interest in the two mysterious swordsmen. Maybe his appearance in Smash 4 is popularity-based, but that wasn’t the initial case. Not trying to nitpick, I’m just kind of particular about the details when it comes to Roy. As for Lyn’s popularity, I can’t help but wonder if SSB had anything to do with that as well, seeing as how she’s been an Assist Trophy twice, and is perhaps the one Assist Trophy people(at least FE fans I know) want as a fighter more than anyone besides Waluigi, who I’m thankful isn’t in despite completing the set because we have too many Mario characters as is. Frankly, I really didn’t care too much about CYL, I was more hoping Nintendo would use Heroes as the stepping stone to introduce Cipher to their overseas fans, beginning by adding Alphonse and Sharena into Cipher, then including Shade, Emma, Yuzu, and Lando in Heroes as a special event, and hopefully finally releasing the TCG to the rest of the world.
Yeah I know Roy’s game wasn’t out for melee. That was pure promotional material for a future release. I was referring to sm4sh. Also. Ghirahim is another assist trophy that most people wanted as a character I believe. But yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said
I didn’t say they were. I said Ike is the most popular character. Not Ike won the official vote. Look at the original post. And the results support that!
Ike wins with the overall votes bypassing 50,000. id say its a shame his votes were split but because of the split, Chrom managed to sneak 4th place over Marth, and Ike gets to be TWICE in the calendar.
I think the best part is Dorcas ALMOST getting on the calendar, and Eliwood beating male Corrin by earning the 19th place at the last minute, proving Elibe saga has a place in everyones hearts.
Also everyone hear? Sigurd most popular geneology character at 55th place. EVEN while obscure he got a crapton of votes. I can’t wait for his return.
I love Dorcas! but seriously 12th place? (that’s great actually) I know he had like the highest HP for a low level (30 at lvl.3) and got 80% HP growth. He can easily top 60 hp without an seraph/angelic robe. Imagine him in FE10 (which you can surpass 60HP)
What the hell? How is Roy that popular if the guy is so damn boring? It should be Eliwood being there not his damn son.
I wonder if Smash somehow has to do with Ike and Roy being there in the list. I’m quite happy that Lyn made it top though as she’s my favorite lord and the same goes for Hector as well.
May I point out that at least some of Lyn’s popularity comes from her inclusion in Smash as an Assist Trophy? Or that there are people who believe Lyn is a boring character and are just as pissed about her as you are about Roy? So Roy is more popular than Eliwood – I understand why, and I understand why you’re bugged about it, but it could honestly be worse.
I don’t see how Lyn is a boring character except in Lyn’s mode. Lyn makes a whole lot more sense to win that vote because she’s memorable and fun to use unlike Roy who’s absolute crap.
I don’t pretend to understand it either, I love Lyn and I’m happy that she won, even though I personally would have chosen someone far more obscure, such as Limstella(how on earth they planned to make that make sense considering Limstella is officially genderless is beyond me) or Idunn, but the fact is that some people do consider Lyn a boring character and those people probably aren’t pleased she won, most likely citing her Assist Trophy status in Smash as ‘the only reason she won’ which sounds ridiculous to me.
Well a little surprised by the results but there still good. My choice Jill got 175 (PoR) and 183 (RD) overall which stinks a little but out of 791 entrants its not terrible so I wont complain……to loudly. Am happy to see Mia and Nephenee up there though.
Because most of those characters are already in. Going through the lists, there’s only about 5 from either one that aren’t (I’m counting both Ikes as one).
I thought I didn’t have to point it out: Lyn, Takumi, Hector and their “OP” skills. Clogging the arena with those isn’t fun at all especially if it’s for someone who didn’t pull any of those 3 characters.
Sorry, I should have clarified that I was asking in relation to your initial comment; “If we do end up getting the winners as units I’ll most likely send Lyn home”.
Save for Ike, we do have the winners as units- so I was curious who you may be referring to.
Unless you meant you specifically getting those characters, in which your usage of the word “we” instead of “I” threw me off your meaning. Shared account?
Yes, I’ll definitely send Lyn home and Ike’s fate depends on his design. I already have a 5* Lucina so I don’t feel a need to have a second one while Roy would stay unless I get one form the gacha and that’s because I want to reunite him with both Eliwood and Ninian later down the line.
Really liking the overall Tellius representation and both Ephraim and Eirika making it to the calendar rankings.
Utterly stunned at Dorcas’ placement.
I voted Ilyana the entire time and she’s made it to 150th/160th! That’s an ok result I think.
What trash results. Not even surprised no one I voted for made it onto this list, but it was completely predictable which characters would’ve won in the first place.
The newbies only have two games to pick from, whereas us veterans had to pick from the entire series.
Of course Awakening and Fates characters were going to have a higher concentration of votes. Not to mention the fact that many of us also like some of the characters from those two games.
Yeah, as I said, it makes sense. But that alone doesn’t mean I relish it.
Popularity contests in general is not really something that matters a lot to me, since they’re always prone to a massive amount of bias. I’m in this for the strategy, anyway. But it’s still disappointing to see what is happening to this series.
What do you mean?? I am also an old hardcore Fire emblem fan but i am loving the direction the series are taking… Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates deserve a lot of the credit as 3DS hits but we must not forget that it all started with Super Smash Bros melee and Fire Emblem Blazing Sword !!! Hope someday Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia receives the same treatment from Fire Emblem gaiden!!!
I think he means that we’ve started calling it “Waifu Emblem” among other things – there did seem to be a bit more focus on the marriage part of the game than perhaps was necessary. On the other hand, I would point out that “Waifu Emblem 1” AKA Awakening is what kept the series from suffering the fate of Metroid – no real releases, every now and then something thrown out to shut the outcry up for two days, etc.
Ohhh i get it now… If i am not wrong marriage first appeared in Fire emblem Genealogy of Holy War. Even in Awakening always thought the marriage and children only as more strategical/skills heritance than the Waifu part. And joining some unconventional couples was fun! Not much big deal!! The series continues as strategic and rewardfull as ever!
First off, ‘rewardfull’ isn’t a word – you’re looking for ‘rewarding’. I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, I just…may be something of a word Nazi.
Second, not everyone can always appreciate the strategy part of the Child characters without feeling a little dating sim-ed – I had one or two such moments in Awakening and Fates, so maybe it’s not a big deal to you or me, but there are players who will have issues with that, just like there will always be Pokemon players who will complain about literally any and all new Pokemon because ‘Gen 1 was the only TRUE Pokemon’. The sheer amount of fan art for Awakening and Fates certainly hasn’t helped either, so blowing it off like that – and I’m assuming you aren’t trying to blow it off, but ‘your concern is not a big deal’ may sound that way to some people – doesn’t generally help.
Also, you’re correct, Genealogy was the first with marriage, but most people don’t count it because it’s never been legally released to 90% of the world.
*spoilers* Also I think the big key difference between Genealogy and Fates is that the children were literally completely crucial to the story. I will admit Lucina played a role in Awakening… But the other children had virtually no role in it unless your counting Future Past. I think the other large difference is the writing in the games.
Genealogy: You play as a character for a few chapters who is then murdered…. In the years coming his son avenges him etc etc.
Awakening: These children come from a future that was destroyed and have come back to change the past….. Hmm yeah personally I am not a fan of “people coming from he future” as a plot device, it feels cheap. All the children are aged conveniently just so you can marry them… SIIIIIIGH
Fates: Deeprealms…. Absolutely atrocious plot device. Just… far too free. Like seriously. All children are literally useless to the plot completely (again barring DLC) Oh and hey look once again…. all the children are aged where you can marry them… SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHH.
Don’t get me started on the storytelling of the new games….
Ops my bad … Sorry about that! English is not my native language and my cellphone auto correction is making mistakes!! And not a problem i really appreciate your intent!!!! I really respect others opinion and think its right… Just wanted to point out that despite Awakening having Massive fan service it evolves the combat with dual combat and others features. Yeah it is a shame that Fire Emblem 4 and 5 don t have Western releases… Not everyone can have it or understand japanese. But i hope it will change in the future as it will happen with Fire emblem gaiden!
Chances are that you are more open to change than I am, either that or you aren’t as into the series as I’ve been. Awakening is a terrible FE game, it’s been proven time and time again, and my stance on that won’t change. The fans have been split into two at this point, and that’s even more evident when looking at the two versions of Fates.
The game is just really casual and has no real depth do it other than the shipping aspect, which even then is quite bare-bones. It doesn’t give me a feeling of FE.
First I’d like to see how Valentia turns out before asking for FE4&5. If they’re going to add in a casual mode and more useless shipping (because that’s effectively what it is), you can count me out.
Fire Emblem is my favourite series… Played All the games more than once except Fire Emblem Gaiden… Fire Emblem 4 is the Best of all, Fire Emblem PoR is my favourite. Fire Emblem Awakening can have a lot of defects but is not casual by Any means… assuming you are playing on lunatic or above and in Classic mode! I think i am a little more open to changes than you do… But its alright! Just happy Fire Emblem is gaining attention it deserves. After Radiant Dawn i thought FE would vanish like it happened with some of Nintendo franchises.
Always nice to see a fellow fan. I, too, have played through each title quite a few times each. Sacred Stones was my first and I’ve played it for more than 1.5k hours in total. But here’s the thing, I still think SS is a pretty bad FE game, even though I personally enjoy it for what it is. It’s not very challenging, it gives you the ability to grind endlessly, and you can easily solo the game with Seth if you’d like.
This exact problem is present in Awakening too. I started on Lunatic, but after seeing that the enemies are only strong due to their inflated stats rather than making use of the maps and other strategic points (similar to Shadow Dragon’s 3-5* HM’s), I backed down to Hard so I could enjoy a more balanced game and not Frederick Emblem. However, in Hard, you can literally just pair up Chrom and Robin and solo through the entire game with just those two units. Add in the ability to grind endlessly, something I feel doesn’t belong in Fire Emblem, and you have a pretty bad game on your hands.
It makes me sad because a lot of new people are only interested in FE because of the dating sim aspect. Just go to r/fireemblem and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Full of people shitposting, coming up with characters to ship together, and general nonsense that is simply not what Fire Emblem used to be. Almost no talk about the strategic depths of the games and things that I do enjoy.
So yeah, I’m quite salty at what the fandom has turned into, but that’s just me I guess.
No not at all!!! You are right and you are not alone!!! It is good to be concerned about the future… Good or bad it is a Nintendo move try to pleases everyone with its franchises… I guess just the sales from old/hardcore fans was not enough…
And What you said about some pokemon fans is right but i have a feeling it happens with all old franchises: Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Paper Mario, Zelda… i could go on all the day. Today is more easy for the new IPs to please everyone than the older ones…
I think POW is all your stat (excluded MOV) + HP (I’m not sure but I used a calculator). Also I remark there is no MAG or STR, just ATK. (like in Fire Emblem Gaiden or the GBA one). oh and thanks for this site Vincent! (I check out this website since Radiant Dawn when I need information!).
On the NES/Famicom, it generally wasn’t feasible to use kanji, so games typically used hiragana in its place. However, nowadays, there’s no excuse and kanji is more friendly to read.
That’s also why Alm’s class (Senshi/Fighter) is written in kanji and not hiragana.
Very interesting that the stats are similar/identical though.
If you have okay understanding of Japanese use forwarding service eg Tenso or Big In Japan (I use this). Fill in the address of the forwardee and they will ship it to you once they receive the items.
I’m happy Hector got 3rd for males, and in general that the Top 20 on both sides wasn’t entirely made up of Awakening, Fates, and playable Smash characters. I am a bit annoyed about the vote splitting, though, seeing as Tellius characters would’ve done better if that wasn’t the case. Neph would’ve come in 10th and Mia 11th on the female side, Black Knight 12th male (or 13th if Ike didn’t also get combined), and Soren 15th male. Also, combining FE7 and FE6 Eliwood would’ve put him above Niles (Hector still wouldn’t have beaten Roy, though)
That said, I will also say, this shows how much influence the western fanbase really has, since until you reach Sigurd, everyone but Roy was from a game that actually came out over here. (And Roy was in Smash, so…)
It’s part of the special plot for this particular series. They envision an alternate timeline where Chrom fails and is turned into a King of the Risen by Grima. Likely it will dovetail somewhat with events as they’re presented in the Future Past DLC chapters.
Aaaargh, and I STILL don’t have Marth and I’m running out of Orbs for the game to give me. I guess I can keep rolling red, though, since he and Eirika are both red units, but I don’t like the odds going down.
“It’s hard to tell from this single screenshot, but we imagine the game’s English translation will be high-quality as usual.”
Please no. You’re giving me Fates flashbacks.
Sorry, I’m only speaking of the quality of the content that we got. I know it sucks that content was cut, but what we did get was great. Or at least as good as it could get since the original Japanese script wasn’t exactly a work of art : P
It’s not the cut content that bothers me. I’m also aware how the JP script wasn’t a work of art. I just find it hard not to partially blame NoA for the constant cringes I get whenever I’m reading the dialogue or the support conversations.
I remember a lot of adaptations that changed the characters completely (like Niles or Effie) and I can’t call that good translation :/ I know it only from other people, though, can’t estimate that myself.
Yeah, please just stop saying it was the “greatest”. When it comes to localization, lately the news from this site seems to praise NoA and Treehouse work on the games. Some things were great, some were not. Just stop “praising” it.
Hmm, I didn’t find particular issue w/ the Fates translation; care to provide an example w/ Jpn vs. Eng text?
I actually found most English release FE’s to have dialogue that reads decently, though I can’t speak to how well each is translated since I don’t know Japanese =O
It wasn’t exactly how it read, but the content. Honestly, the other FE games were fine. I can’t speak for the accuracy, because these sound like disgruntled fans, but their translation doesn’t make the english sound that great…. http://imgur.com/gallery/X2w49
ah i see, that saizoxberuka convo’s definitely an egregious example – though it seems more to be an issue of censorship than of translation; willing to bet the censors were behind blanking out that convo considering the heavy topic [which is a real shame, since i’m willing to bet the vast majority of fates’ audience is older than ~13, and woulda appreciated seeing it]; however, it’s equally unfortunate there wasn’t some way for the localizers to come up w/ another convo to replace that one, rather than “…”
I would say it’s really just disgruntled fans…like overly disgruntled with freakishly high standards and zero tolerance for this kind of stuff. Because the Leo x Xander example is just….ugh….who cares? In the end who really cares except them? The change in their speaking tone literally did not break anything from the game. The Saizo x Beruka C-support was just a really poor joke done on the translators part. But to be frank, I would take silence over having 2 characters just state their jobs. Because that C-support was so boring. It’s not the whole “Oh they don’t like to talk a lot” nope, it was literally just 2 characters meeting each other and bluntly saying their jobs. I’m not even going to bother touching on the Soleli thing. Her very character existence/personality needed a major change. Her personality is more understood over in Japan considering the whole “Harmless experimentation of youth” thing they have going on but in America we just call that being a gay-tease.
Like I know it sucked that some of the things that were removed and changed, and that some of the supports in the American version were more cringy, but these people are literally only using the same mundane examples that have literally have not much of a significance in the game. It’s people demanding for perfection, which perfection is impossible when the original product wasn’t even that good *coughs* Not like Fates story was even that good to begin with
I suspect these will be new focus characters after the current rotation ends. Here’s hoping they add more chapters for more orb opportunities. I’ve only got 3 chapters left and I still need to finish the castle XP upgrades.
Why would you assume the magic is draining her HP just because she was damaged while fighting an enemy? Wouldn’t the natural assumption be that… y’know… a DIFFERENT enemy already damaged her?
Wait, I missed the “4” being the HP drain… woops.
Well, that really sucks. I hate bringing back dated mechanics for “authenticity” or whatever. The point of a remake is to *improve* upon the game, now that they have the technology to do so and they’ve outgrown Early Installment Weirdness. If the point was to make it just like the original you might as well just play the original.
It goes both ways. If the hit rate is fixed, that means it won’t go down for you either. So you just take advantage of that.
“Draining your HP” isn’t exactly a dated mechanic. It’s just different. That mechanic isn’t even related to old or new technology, but was a design choice. If it has purpose in the old game, I think it should transfer to the new game.
I’m questioning how much “purpose” it had, though, or if they were just trying it out to see how it worked. Considering the whole “all spells are Cast From Hit Points” was only used in the second game, you’d think that they decided it wasn’t good. That’s what I mean by “dated” in this context… it was an old mechanic that was abandoned for not being that good (especially considering how squishy mages usually are, it seems crazy that they’re the ones whose HP are getting drained just by attacking.)
But then, if there’s a story reason for it (apparently they just… don’t have tomes on the continent of Valentia or something??), I would understand why they would keep it.
It’s not just a mechanics thing, it’s very important to the Fire Emblem lore IMO.
Back in the NES/SNES era, it was stated that magic tomes and staves are tools used to alleviate the stress on spell-casters. However in Gaiden, they don’t have tomes or staves and thus must use their full body to cast magic–hence the HP reduction.
This is echoed in Radiant Dawn when Micaiah uses her healing powers (the Sacrifice skill) without the aid of staff.
That said, I won’t disagree that combining lore and gameplay mechanics isn’t always the best choice. Also, in Echoes the spell icon looks like a magic tome (despite the user not holding a tome), which makes my head hurt.
The more I see and hear of this game, the more excited I get. It’s quite a departure from the way Fates and Awakening look, right down to the GUI and the font they used. It really gives weight to the idea that this game is a visit to the long-forgotten past, and yet it’s slick as hell. I am a little worried about the absence of certain classic Fire Emblem mechanics, but at the same time all the differences will encourage change in strategy and in gameplay to make things new.
I hope this sells like hotcakes and comes out on the same day as Japan.
I’m more interested in Saber’s screenshot. Does this show that the conversations will be more character-to-player (a good example would be like Phoenix Wright), completely forgoing the 1-on-1 convo seen in Awakening, or the group conversations in the FE7-10?
Glad to see they are keeping key mechanics from the original. Hopefully some of the mechanics don’t turn off newer players due to how different they are from the recent games. Let’s just hope the game sells well so Nintendo will be incentivized to ”remaster” other older games from the series like Genealogy/Thracia, Binding/Blazing/Sacred and the Tellius ones.
I’m almost certain if this does well, Binding Blade has to be next Roy at least I’d assume so. Would really love Genealogy next but I think Binding next would be a smart move especially since Roy doesn’t have a game out in the West in English ;~:.
On the subject of echoes really happy they are trying to stay true to the original. HP costs for spells staying in totally was a shock to me.
I’d be kind of interested to see what Nintendo/IS would do for a Genealogy remake, but yeah Binding Blade would be awesome especially since they would be able to fix all the issues that game had. Yeah kind of surprised they are staying so true to the original game here, will definitely make the cranky outspoken elitists happy at least.
Some observations:
1) Alphonse, Sharena, Veronica, and El Dark Summoner Guy will get Cipher cards, so yay for that. I’m calling Cost 1 Anna for the final advent of the 100-Anna-Deck – 100 Anna cards with Anna as Main Character.
2) Matsushita’s announcements may or may not be setting up for Shade/Emma/Yuzu/Lando to be featured in Heroes. If this occurs, I’m calling it as a test to see if they can build interest in Cipher for a worldwide release as they’ll pretty much have to release any of the above four they choose to add to the entire world. This is not likely, but as nobody has officially stated they do not intend to internationalize Cipher it cannot be discarded as impossible just yet. For now, let’s hope and pray for the Cipher characters to come to Heroes, even if it doesn’t lead to worldwide Cipher – let’s be honest, we all want to know what the official voices for those four would be.
3) Fire Emblem Warriors, like Hyrule Warriors before it, will almost undoubtedly contain exclusive characters, as the only other option is special Cipher cards featuring Units wielding different weapons or in different outfits than normal, and they can just Promo those kinds of things. I’m tentatively suggesting a separate Color for Warriors cards, meaning Lords like Marth, Chrom, Lucina, etc. will then be available in two or more Colors.
4) They pretty much skipped over Thracia’s upcoming inclusion in Cipher. Because of this, I’m calling Thracia cards as more Yellow cards instead of getting their own Color, using Finn’s cards as evidence – he specifically states he buffs Leif, and most cards don’t specifically buff cards of other Colors outside of Black/White.
I admire your optimism in thinking that we might still get an English Cipher release. 😛
And, yeah, Thracia is practically confirmed for Yellow. There’s no reason at all for it to have another colour. More interesting will be if Gaiden and/or SS get unique colours. I’m hoping they do, though there are some reasons as to why they may not, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
I’m fairly positive that both will get unique Colors, though one of the guys I play Cipher with suggested that Gaiden cards may be Red like Archanean cards. Not certain why SS wouldn’t get its own color, but hey, maybe. As for Worldwide Cipher, a lot of people whine about it already being out for a year and a half, but look at Yu-Gi-Oh! – stuff gets released to the OCG MONTHS before we even get hints of getting it ourselves.
People think SS may not get its own colour mostly for meta/gameplay reasons. It’s a single game continent that has a very small cast of characters, so it would be hard to maintain support for a new colour just for it.
Personally, I’m not convinced that’s a strong enough reason myself, but I’m anxious to learn the truth either way. 🙂
Also- although I don’t know Genealogy- the artwork for those two and the twins is fucking top-notch. Eirika and Epraim are some damned fancy mofos, here.
I already got Narcian on Normal, because I’m NOT risking my stamina into getting him on Hard. None of my units are powerful enough to get him! Hell, even my 5 star Marth and my 5 star Tharja are not enough!
Well, it looks like the current banner is gonna end up soon, and I only got my 5-star Marth, nobody else, because half of my units are not the ones I hoped for, and they’re all 3-star units! So, I might as well say goodbye to Young Tiki, Roy, Lyn, Robin, Lucina, Takumi, and Camilla, they’ll never be seen again. …This isn’t fair, half of my units suck! Lucky bastards having these special units before me!
Oh. My. Gosh! I love the Exalt Chrom card! <3
I do hope that they add some more Female Robin in the new deck. I bet Grima will be in it (I'll be surprised if he isn't, actually).
Even Japan is acknowledging the power of China in recent years. I always thought that Japanese really hate Chinese for multitude of reasons. Japan’s gonna make more money nearby than in the gaijin land as China becoming more important than USA.
I don’t think it has much to do with Japan’s views on China so much as it is China’s own laws and the like and what the government actually *officially* allows into the country. A lot of stuff that would commonplace or people wouldn’t even think twice about being on the market is something that’s banned within China, usually foreign media. Video games is something that they comparatively recently relaxed a lot of restrictions on, hence why Sun and Moon were the first *official* Chinese Pokemon games
Sometimes game company don’t need to care some laws in China, they can just simply add Chinese(Whatever Traditional or Simplify Chinese) as a language in their game. Like Pokemon Sun & Moon, I bought the US version and still can change the language to Chinese.
But I don’t know why this time they don’t put all language in their Fire emblem Echoes. I bought it today because I heard they bring out Chinese, but the US version don’t have Chinese to chose. Only Hong Kong version has Chinese, weird.
When I read new series, I thought IS was talking about making a new series besides Fire Emblem. Probably similar gameplay but a new thing itself. Like a spacey version of Fire Emblem could be cool.
Considering how influential Gaiden was in China back in the NES days, this just makes perfect sense. Yes, Gaiden is the first FE game many Chinese played, albeit thanks to a well circulated bootleg cartridge with Chinese translation. I’m still playing the NA version myself though, as I only have a NA 3DS, but I’m buying this Chinese nonetheless as well just to show my support. Anyway, kudos Nintendo; this is a good move.
I hope theres a better way to get orbs while the story helps a lot for initial I have 2 maps left on lunatic that im grinding my Hector and Takumi up for but then outside of the 2 free I’m out of a way to get free orbs
The speaker needs to learn how to speak Chinese properly, this is just embarrassing. The tones are missing and he needs to speak at least 3 times faster.
Because it’s basically standard for ANY eastern RPG. Nintendo is the one who isn’t the norm here.
I had hoped they had learned after Fates, but I guess not.
Xenoblade, Persona 5, all the spike chunsoft games, steins gate, bravely default, Valkyria chronicles, and basically every Vita game are some just off the top of my head.
There are only 2 actual reasons not to include dual audio: licencing fees, or that you changed the script so much it no longer works, as I’ve heard may have been what happened to Fates. Any other reason is just stupid.
Here, finally replied to the right comment
Licensing fees are hardly an issue, even tiny companies like IFI and XSEED can pay licensing for big-name actresses like Asami Imai. For her singing parts as well, no less. By comparison NoA should have no issue with that.
The latter is a possibility, I’m playing through an undubbed version of Fates right now and it’s unbelievably jarring to hear soft-spoken JP Elfie’s voice while reading the roid-rage text NoA put over her. But even that is really stupid, since all you’re doing is hiding your own incompetence by removing a feature that most people want.
Most people don’t give a damn about dual audio; it’s the vocal minority that cares, who have been shown to throw fits when they don’t get what they want.
And ironically, the one FE game that had dual audio was the one that made the most text changes: Awakening. Fates honestly isn’t half as bad as it.
Also, thanks for confirming that you hacked your 3DS. Why you would go to such lengths is astounding.
I shouldn’t reply to such obvious bait, but since this is actually an important and interesting conversation that deserves dialogue, consider this more to shed light on the situation rather than argue with you:
Dual audio is hardly a major point of contention; while you will find plenty of people who don’t care about it, the fact remains that dual audio is always the superior option. With dual audio, those who prefer English dubs will have them, and those who prefer the original Japanese audio can fall back on that if the English dub isn’t appealing to them. I’ll use an analogy here: sometimes after work, I stop by Five Guys. It’s a burger joint, in case you’ve never heard of it. They serve three very simple food items: burgers, hot dogs, and fries (also grilled cheeses and other sandwiches, but they’re basically just burgers without the meat patties). I never get hot dogs there, since I’m not fond of hot dogs in general. But plenty of people DO like them. If they took their hot dogs off their menu, it wouldn’t impact me in the slightest way, but the people who enjoyed them would naturally be quite disappointed. And they too are a minority; most people there just order burgers. But my point here is that even though I personally was unaffected by the removal of that option, the fact remains that others will now be missing out on something they enjoy, and the last thing I would do in that situation is tell them that it doesn’t matter since I never liked the hot dogs.
The term “vocal minority” is a fallacy used to discredit an argument by no logical means. Dual audio is best for the game and the fans, and I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t welcome it. To elaborate on this, I’ll point out a PS3 game called Atelier Ayesha. The Atelier series is made by the (amazing) game developer Gust, who was bought out by Koei Tecmo some time shortly before Atelier Ayesha’s release. Earlier games were localized by NIS America who always kept dual audio in, but after KT bought Gust they decided that KT America would be doing the localizations from that point on. During localization, they cut out the Japanese audio. Naturally, fans were disappointed and voiced their concerns (Atelier dubs have always been notoriously subpar, though luckily Ayesha’s was actually pretty good). KT America replied stating that they were unaware that it was a feature that the fans cared so much about, and promised that future games would retain JP audio during localization along with any English dubs. And naturally, when the next game in the series came out (Escha & Logy), it had dual audio, just as promised. And when Atelier Ayesha was later ported to the Vita as Atelier Ayesha Plus, they re-inserted the JP audio back into it. But the main thing to note here is that during all this, there was no huge controversy, no argument, just simple conversation between the publishers and the consumers about what they think is important in game localization. KT America’s localization quality may be inconsistent at most times, but I’ll always offer them praise for their communication with their fans.
Now, contrary to that, with NoA things have been much less understandable. NoA and Treehouse make no effort to even reply to the fans’ comments about dual audio. They can’t be completely unaware, and it’s unlikely that they are unable to put dual audio in games (after all, 8-4 did that just fine with Awakening), so the assumption is that they are simply unwilling to do so. And like everything else with NoA, they don’t offer any sort of explanation or transparency. Dual audio is more or less standard in localization nowadays, except in Nintendo’s case, and they make no effort to embrace it or even explain why they won’t. And THIS is what causes ire among fans; dual audio is easy, desired, and all-around a plus for the game, and they won’t even acknowledge it. When you have situations like Fates where replacement dub is very poor, that exacerbates the issue further.
And while I’m aware that 8-4’s localization of Awakening was far from perfect, they at least deserve praise for having both the original JP audio and a relatively high-quality English dub in the game. Lots of great voice work, Matthew Mercer and Laura Bailey (Chrom and Lucina) in particular knocked it out of the park with their performances.
Hu, Xenoblade is Nintendo, same bullshit. Persona it’s pissing of people as much as it does for FE. Spike games are shit and they are closer to indie dev than anything, IS is not . Bravely default had dual audio, Valkyria as well, Pretty decent amount of “vita games” as well.
I remember Valkyria Chronicles and Bravely Default do have dual audios. The only game on top of my head that doesn’t have dual audio is Yakuza, because fans hate the original English voice acting.
It would also have been prohobitively expensive for an english dub of Yakuza 2-5. As Y5 only got a release after it was officially declared dead and gone because of minor sales I actually prefer dual audio or even japanese audio only – they may get some minor/niche games over because the VO dubbing expenses can be cut out and the localization would be cheaper-> less needed sold copies to break even or turn a profit.
I am a non-native english speaker but have a pretty good command and comprehension of the spoken language so I don’t have a problem with that. I DO however have a problem with the way dubbing is done and the choice of Voice Actors outside of Japan. The German and English translation of lots of Games and Animes, OAVs and Movies are simply atrocious.
Also diversity…Skyrim had what? 60 People doing VO for NPC chatter? In comparison the German had 6? If anything is more immersionbreaking than that at all I would gladly eat my hat.
Iirc, the reason dual audio isn’t in Fates is due to an issue with the company the VA of Aqua/Azura in the Japanese version works with. I assume they will have dual audio in Echos.
I often think about what I would put in a fire emblem game of I got to make one. I usually say dungeon exploration with battles inside, the ability to mitigate bullshit by being able to bring back a limited number of characters, simplified skill system. Apparently they did all of this 25 years ago.
Goddammit, I can’t summon these four new characters! They are all hard to get, and I keep summoning the same damn characters! WHAT THE HELL?! If I don’t get those 4 new heroes soon, then I’ll never see them again! DAMMIT!
I have forgotten her name but it’s the blue chick on a pegasus she got it but everything is want to fight it it shows 0x2 damage and I know I unlocked her skills.
Yes,thank you. I believe she has the normal attack that is effective against armored units right? But it won’t do any harm. The other units are easily taken care of but this one is tricky.
I ended up using my 5* Lucina and slowly kill that knight and taking advantage of her Falchion’s healing properties and only attack him when I had enough HP to survive the lance attack.
I’ve got Hana and Caeda both lvl 40 ☆4. They both have armor slayer. It’s a Blue Lance unit so it is not that advantageous to have team of red sword users and on top of that it’s an armored unit. I don’t know if it’s a mistake on the developers side or if i am doing this wrong 🙁
You could probably train up Anna a bit more just to get the Orb rewards at least. I like that they made the 2 Orb quests the easiest to complete, since everybody wants more Orbs. :p
Yeah that’s what I did… But in the end, who carried the team was a 3 stars Cherche haha. I want to train Anna, and make her a 4 stars, but for now… I’m saving my feathers for another character xd
Bah, more Awakening fanservice. When will intelligent systems go back to the grand holiness that is genealogy of the holy war and tharcia 776? Ever since Binding Blade, Fire Emblem has been gutted and castrated beyond recognition and a this game looks to be another terrible outing.
The banner was data mined about a week ago. I hope she is as good as her other gender green is only cookout I lack good units. My Nino and fae r both -atk
Yes, this certainly does give credence to the datamined stuff being next. I guess that means we can look forward to the awkward Hawkeye, Maria, Adult Tiki, and Fir focus group.
It’s confirmed that she has Rexcalibur and Rising Wind as a 4* from the 4-5 Lunatic map. I’m assuming that she will be the first playable unit with Rexcalibur+ and Blazing Wind but this is all speculation.
Well, I got a 2-Star Female Robin, but good God, my 2-Star Female Robin is weak! I wanted a 3 Star Female Robin, but no, no no no no no, I would NOT dare face her on Hard mode, I hate it when the enemies try to outsmart me when I move my Units first after their first Enemy Phase! So, much like the Hard Narcian battle, I am NOT risking it to get a 3-Star Female Robin! GODDAMMIT, if only I have Eirika, Ephraim, Seliph, and Julia! IT’S NOT FAIR!!
Also, why bother with these other four new Focus heroes?! I wouldn’t be able to get those heroes anyway, as the deadline is too short!
Well, I can’t get all 4 new focus heroes, because I keep getting those same and useless characters over and over again! And worse?! I don’t have any money to buy these God forsaken orbs! WHY?! WHY DO I KEEP GETTING USELESS CHARACTERS?!
Camilla at lv 40 can survive a hit from each of the enemies to lure them out (presumably other pegasi or high res characters can too)… Then its just about mopping them up which is easy
Unless you get both, it won’t be possible to make a Level 40+1 5-star version of her. I’ve got her too (and Narcian earlier), but only 2-star versions. However, if they will be available again in the future, then I’ll try to get 3-star versions too. I’m already thinking about the tactics for both enemies.
Sounds interesting, looking forward to it if I can get certain people to learn the counter attack from any range options. Also slightly off topic I just got my first duplicate 5 star is it better to have 2 5 star units or to merge them?
Same issue of just totally cheesing the meta, but he’s slightly less prevalent.
At least Pokemon allows more variety for interesting and unconventional teams to be competitively viable- but Heroes is rather more limited in that regard. You’ll never see a Draug or Virion in the meta, but Takumi and Lucina are freaking everywhere. It gets boring after a while.
Just beat Hard Version today. Was pretty frustrating initially, but my problem was turtling too much and being too chicken to bring Peri into the fray- what with Robin’s triangle advantage and anti-cavalry tome. Camilla, Lyn, Peri, and Sakura beat this map pretty easily.
passed the hard mode with Lucina(5*) Abel(5*) Cecilia(4*) and Olivia(4*) all level 40
the mvp is without doubt Cecilia Rally Res which makes Lucina survive the initial onslaught.
Characters without activation skills can get activation skills now? I wonder how this feature will work I’m
Looking forward to it. Thanks for the news!
Got 2 Female Robin from normal and hard, her tome is useful against cavalry units but her other abilities are kinda disappointing. Don’t know if its worth making her 5 Stars since Male Robin seems to have better abilities/stats in comparison.
Not to mention Sanaki’s big sibling isn’t there. Won’t say who for spoilers but I’d think they’d be there! Unless saving them for Path of Radiance banner.
If people are playing Heroes, they either already know or are going to get spoilered by the characters descriptions. Heroes hasn’t been shy about that sort of thing.
In any case, I’m glad that we’re gonna start branching into the Tellius games. PoR is one of my favourites. Half of my salary is gonna go into getting Nephenee.
Yeah no Laguz in Awakening bummed me out but I understood why, however not as hard to animate these so I’d be disappointed if they are not included at least eventually. As for the Dawn Brigade……not gonna deny the only one I used once is Edward and that’s when I was just having every Swordmaster available in game. Everyone else got overshadowed by returning cast. I used Fiona once but I had to level her with bonus experience there is no chapters that you can train her everyone else you had a small chance but Fiona always got the short end of the stick.
I have most of them already, but that new focus with Effie, Setsuna, Nino, and Felicia seems pretty generous. Asides Setsuna (who is by no means bad), they’re all pretty high-ranking units.
If it’s like the Battling Robin focus, this gives a good hint as to what type of team to train up.
Oh GREAT, more new heroes that I can’t summon! I hate it when this game won’t let me summon new and powerful heroes instead of the same and useless heroes!
Wait, I went to Summon mode and (GASP) …I did it…I actually summoned Reinhardt! I DID IT, I FINALLY DID IT!! For the first time in my life, I have finally summoned a Focus 5-Star Hero!! YEAH, WOO-HOO!!
Abdallah had a good point in thinking that they’re probably gonna hold off on Ike and other Tellius characters until there’s a noticeable lull in the game, in order to draw people back into it.
Awakening and Fates were heavily featured in the release, in order to nab as much of the mainstream as possible. The past few updates were more geared towards vets, and Ike is their next big draw, for those who were introduced to the series through Smash.
Can’t help but wonder – we haven’t seen the booster box promos, have we, or were those in an older post that I missed? If so, someone tell me who they were, and if not, who do you guys think it’ll be? I’m thinking just Alm and Celica.
Yeah, they haven’t been revealed yet, but we should see them within the next week at the latest as they’ll reveal them in the pre-release livestream if not sooner. Alm is practically confirmed to be one of them, and I’d probably guess Al for the other as well.
Coirple? Does that mean we’re getting Leen soon?
Also for the next two SR characters for Genealogy, are they both for the second generation? If one is Julius, I have a feeling the last one would be either Sety or Ishtar.
Sitting this one out. We all know how the popularity poll went last time right? I’ll bet my firstborn child Lucina wins weather I like it or not.
I know where my bro Lords stand.
“This map is the first campaign map to feature 6 enemy units, one of which includes Veronica herself.”
While Veronica is the main character of the level’s story skit, she makes no appearance on the battlefield. The six enemies are the six Prince/Princesses from this voting gauntlet.
Lucina is a little troublesome for me because my best Blue unit right now is Female Corrin. The other Falchion users aren’t too bad- Marth is kinda squishy while Google Chrom is pretty slow and has crap res.
People are not very clever are they? Wasting all their flags in a round they already won. Well, I knew it would come to this and saved 500 of them to use against Lucina, but I don’t think it will make much of a difference in the end.
If its Lucina vs Ephraim, its gonna be pretty much Awakening vs Sacred Stones, and if its Chrom vs Lucina, its father against daughter. Definitely something I look forward to. Lucina FTW!!!
Holy shit, Chrom and Ephraim are literally neck and neck up there. O_O
This is really interesting. Lucina is beating Eirika by nearly twice the votes. I have over 700 flags saved up. Once its Lucina and her final opponent, I’ll be using all my flags like there’s no tomorrow.
The Focus doesn’t actually look that good for this battle. They’re all infantry, and the map has two nasty ninjas with Poison Daggers, Poison Strike, and Savage Blow. The other enemies are an Axe Knight wit Pavise, a Sword Cavalier, and Ursula herself.
Like the Female Robin map, you start off in a nasty bottleneck, but at least this time you have the option to bait some of them for some duels across the walls.
I just beat the 3 star version with Lissa, Saizo, Selena, and Female Robin. Saizo can duel with the ninjas, Female Robin kills both the cavalier and Ursula no problem, Selena can handle the knight, and Lissa to heal.
I only pulled Cherche a few days ago- there’s no way that I can raise her up in time.
I’m gonna try Camilla and Catria. I want to bring my Young Tiki, too- but those fucking ninjas double her. Almost all of my best units (Except Camilla and Catria) are infantry. I have pulled zero Armour from summoning.
Sheena, male Robin, healer, and Leo. Moved Sheena to hold the choke, while letting Leo combat the ninja at the top. This aggroed Ursula who moved into range with the general behind her. Then I basically just used Robin + Sheena to pick them off one by one, starting with Ursula, then the general, then the final ninja, and the cavalier.
Wendy or Effie could work, the reason Sheena worked for me was because Ursula had weapon disadvantage, so you could give it a shot to see if it works for you. Otherwise try some other tanky axe user. Leo can be substituted for anyone really, as long as they’re on horseback. That poison dagger is spooky.
Shit, this is gonna be challenging. Mostly because most of my units at max level aren’t even green units. The only max green unit is 3* Narcian. But the main issue here is the Poison Dagger users, which makes sense. Its why Kagero is so terrifying. Alright, better start grinding my characters more.
Okay, managed to get luck and FINALLY got that 5* Lucina I always wanted. And a 5* Elise as well. I have a 4* Nino, so she might be able to help. But I’ll have to look at character’s strong suit and make use of it. Least I got half of the team needed, being a healer and Male Robin.
Nice! Honestly, it might probably be easier to use that stamina, grind her to 20, and promote her with 2k feathers instead if you’re struggling that much.
Yeah. I don’t have the characters I need and can’t grind as often because I have other issues to deal with. Better if I focus on the fact I got her 3 star at the least.
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‘The entered ID is not valid’ Hmm seems odd, don’t know what the problem could be. Mine is 2861457768 if it works from your end.
lol though. Blew Elise away in the first round, but Lucina is leading over us with almost 3b now, jeez. Not a big fan of Awakening and SS was my first FE, so if Ephraim goes through I’ll probably join his side in the final. 😉
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I will be honest though. I am one of the few people that cannot stand Ephraim. So I’m hoping for Chrom to win, but if Ephraim wins, it’ll be Awakening vs Sacred Stones. In that case, may the best character win. It’ll be fun at the very least.
But how can you dislike Ephraim? He’s clever and righteous, can’t think of many other protagonists that match his conviction. If anything Eirika is way more naive, characters like that annoy me quite a bit.
Simple: he’s even more of a Gary Stu than Corrin was, and he gets away with it. He is so strong, and so powerful, he can solo the Grado Empire, with even if he’s betrayed, even if he’s surrounded, Ephraim will always win out. “I don’t pick fights I can’t win” is nothing than another way of saying, “I’ll win because I’m Ephraim”. And the biggest thing that pissed me off is that to actually stop him, it required a literal plot device, a plot device that Eirika gave Lyon that has gotten her bashed on, to stop Ephraim. Like, REALLY?! There was no real development for Ephraim. They made him out to be this perfect warrior and so on. Marth lost his home and knew that he was powerless on his own. Ike was only decently strong in the beginning, but had to train harder later on.
I believe this subject is touched upon in his supports, in particular with Kyle. He is that way because he dislikes being above others because of his social rank, and was incredibly weak and didn’t have many friends. But his resolve was his main strength and was what made him grow up into the strong character he is now. So he wasn’t always like this.
That said, he does get into quite questionable situations at times. It seems unlikely that he would escape Fort Renvall (that only has one entrance, the bridge) when it’s surrounded by Valter and his troops. But he is a tactical genius, that’s why he’s away from Renais in the first place. He showed that as he managed to fight off Tirados men by using the field to his advantage even when he was vastly outnumbered. So I don’t think it’s that Ephraim is amazingly OP, it’s that he’s clever and inspires hope in his companions.
But he is a main character and can’t really be killed off, so I think that fact has more to do with his role in the plot and the way people perceive him than anything.
That’s the issue here. Him being a tactical genius so great that he can come up with the perfect strategy to escape and once again SOLO the Grado Empire. It works with Chrom and Robin, where Chrom was the leader and could inspire moral and lead, while Robin was the tactician that supported everyone. It helped there because we have the two support one another. But Ephraim was basically performing things by himself. He hardly ever got into any real trouble. In fact, he got Eirika out of trouble when she thought he was in trouble. They have him have virtually ZERO weaknesses.
Also, the entire thing about how he was weak and all in the past is great, but if all that’s done is that he’s mentioned to have been weaker, it ceases to be that great, because that’s how Garon’s role in Fates got so bad, because we only hear how he was at the supports, but we never saw the real Garon’s glory days so it really is hard to imagine him as anything more than a prick.
Ephraim shouldn’t have been the main protagonist at all in my opinion. It should have remained with Eirika. Protagonists should develop and grow throughout the story. Ephraim hardly grew at all, whereas Eirika did develop and grow, going from a naive girl to a more strong independent person.
In my opinion, Ephraim should have been something like a Gotoh archetype, very powerful and already in the pinnacle of his growth. Making him a protagonist ruins it for me because he’s not really growing. If he had to be a main protagonist, show that he wasn’t really that perfect, that the death of his father and his kingdom in ruins, and Lyon seemingly betraying him, all that has made Ephraim become colder and more ruthless little by little and that worried others and even gets reckless that it costs him dearly, and Eirika acts as his light that keeps him from losing himself. It would show that Ephraim needs Eirika to remind him not to lose his humanity in the face of sadness and anger, and Ephraim teaches Eirika how to be wiser and not so naive.
Hector wreaked the ninjas and Ursula by being buffed by Sheena for me and Sanaki made quick work of the general the only hiccup was the cavalier but a Hector and Sheena were able to take him out
I got a 3-Star Ursula after beating Hard mode, but getting a 4-Star Ursula from Lunatic mode?! HELL NO! I got my 5-Star Effie, but how is she not enough?! None of my 5-Star characters are powerful enough to beat Ursula or those Goddamn Ninjas in Lunatic mode! So, screw this!
Stupid childish troll, Fire Emblem Heroes is an App game, not some “Yu-Gi-Oh!” wannabe cards. Fire Emblem Heroes is where you summon the heroes using Orbs.
Diablo II? That’s irrelevant coming from a childish troll like you. Also, Diablo II sucks balls, and so do you. Now be off, Fire Emblem haters such as you are not allowed here.
Canceling my pre-order. I wanted a real fire emblem game with a player avatar, and marriage, not this generic unispired shit. Wtf.are my children and face rubbing, some of the best features in recent games? At least Celica looks kinda sexy, but nowhere near the level of some of my favorite characters like Camilla and tharja.
People need to boycott this shot. Its terrible when companies like nintendo ruin some of their beloved franchises and this unfaithfulness should not be looked at lightly
Lunatic map is pretty tricky without the right units. You essentially get screwed being bottlenecked with infantry units by the Ninjas and Ursula basically kills off your cavalry from behind that walls. My setup that got me through this was with a flying squad composed of Caeda, Minerva, Cordelia, and Lissa as my healer (you pretty much want to use anyone who has rehabilitate like Wrys). You can probably get similar results with a heavy unit duo + mage support (but i have almost no heavy units to try anything out) since heavy armors don’t count as infantry. Essentially what I did was charge the first breakable wall with Cordelia who has been buffed by Caeda’s Fortify flier and within range of Minerva’s Ward flier to shrug off Ursula’s attack easily, and I also used Caeda to bait the ninja, allowing Cordelia to follow up next turn for the kill. I essentially just positioned Caeda where the broken wall was to maintain Fortify Flier, and had Minerva above Caeda to create a wall for the heavy knight and ninja above. The bottleneck is effective for allowing my healer to keep minerva’s HP at max after every assault (not attacking the heavy knight during your turn), without being in range of the ninja above. Cordelia can clean up the red cavalier and Ursula with the help of galeforce (and if you need an extra hit, Caeda can help too). The rest is easy after that since Minerva can effectively just wall the heavy until it dies.
The other 4 SR+ cards have not been revealed yet. Seliph will likely get one, and probably Julia for the other Genealogy ones. I’m also betting that F!Robin will get an SR+ card on the Awakening side, but I’m not sure about the third.
Finally beat lunatic after several failed attempts with several different team comps.
Who would have thought that my best shot at this map with infantry-killers and high-resistance enemies would be a team of entirely infantry and two mages? Serra, Eirika, Nino, and Male Robin. It was right down to the wire. Eirika and Robin survived with 2 hp.
“What’s important is that right before Alm attacked, a character’s portrait could be seen in the combat forecast. Putting two and two together, these boosts are likely the effect of a support system, like the ones found in earlier Fire Emblems.”
I greatly prefer the modern system, since it doesn’t restrict the number of support conversations you can unlock per playthrough. Plus it just makes more sense from a standpoint of gameplay and story integration.
Why do you like this system better? I can’t understand why.
Because it was strategic. Removing the limit was like removing the limit of XP in awakening and Fates. Not to mention the benefits were honestly a lot greater. Not to mention the supports in FE13 and 14 weren’t even worth reading. I wouldn’t be against having something like “only the first 5 supports give stat boosts” or something like that so you are able to read more, but the scarcity of them made them feel more valuable and less like the throw-away dialogue that permeated Awakening’s and Fate’s supports. In the end, i just like the mechanics of the original a heck of a lot better.
“It was strategic.” Um…? So is the newer system…? Because there’s a greater limit on the amount of characters one unit can be supported by at one time, that prevents it from being overpowered. Maybe it lost the strategic aspect of choosing who to support with who, but I honestly hated that–it kind of sucks when you support two characters and the support conversations suck, because you just wasted what could have been a good moment for character development and you’re not going to get that back (despite what a lot of people say, older games’ supports weren’t really any better about quality, despite their low quantity–more on that later); this was an issue I ran into while playing Sacred Stones, and it’s probably one of the reasons I still haven’t been able to convince myself to actually finish it for once. Awakening was weaker in the aspect of strategy, because the main support bonus was RNG-based (even on top of the fact that characters actually get direct stat boosts that are shown to you now… even though you claim the boosts from supports are lesser??), but Fates improved upon it greatly, and it was such a good system that removing it honestly doesn’t feel like anything but an awkward stumble backwards in order to appeal to a crowd that sees everything through nostalgia-filtered goggles and who hasn’t been as good at supporting them monetarily as the rest of their audience anyway.
And… allowing unlimited grinding is a bad thing??? Huh?? What??? An RPG is a heavily RNG-dependent game. This goes doubly so for Fire Emblem, considering that every one of every unit’s level-ups is random, meaning that whether or not every unit is even usable, and, by extension, whether or not the game is even beatable, is random. It’s a glaring flaw for a game that’s supposed to be strategic, and although most seem to disagree with me, they would understand if their luck was bad enough; however, since reacting to good and bad level-ups is such a universal and iconic part of the Fire Emblem experience, I highly doubt that they’re going to change this, and as long as they don’t–as long as they allow the game to “break” itself for the player–they should allow the player to counter that by grinding freely. Sure, people will “abuse” this system (as if playing a video game in a way that’s most enjoyable to you can be considered an “abuse” of anything) to grind and become overpowered, but who cares? If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t do it. No one’s making you (a lot of people don’t seem to understand that, and it leads to dumb decisions being made, like making challenge battles impossible in Conquest without forking over even more money, just because they knew a lot of dicks would be too proud to play a game that *gasp* allowed optional grinding, therefore making the whole experience a lot more frustrating for anyone getting bad level-ups and locking people who weren’t as good out of that story experience–although that’s somewhat offset by the option of Phoenix Mode, but then, the people saying you shouldn’t be allowed to grind are generally the same ones saying Phoenix Mode shouldn’t be an option, sooo…). You know what? I hate reclassing. I hate changing my characters to a class that doesn’t match their portrait or their dialogue and dealing with the wonkiness of their stats just to get new skills. So you know what? I just don’t do it. I don’t say it shouldn’t be in the game, because it’s completely optional and I know a lot of people utilize and enjoy it. I just don’t do it and I enjoy myself and other people do it and they enjoy themselves and everyone’s happy just playing our video games the way we want to because we all live in first world countries and have that privilege.
I’ll agree with you on Fates supports being largely throwaway, but Awakening? Did we play the same game here? Awakening was the first time in the series that every character actually had effort put into them. Go back and read Path of Radiance’s supports. There’s… maybe five characters that the writers took advantage of supports to flesh out. Despite the lower number of supports, a huge amount of it is still filler. Most of these characters they didn’t even bother coming up with a backstory for. Seriously, who the heck is Ilyana or Kieran besides just a gimmick? Awakening has gimmicks too, but at least gives explanations or reasons for them, or makes sure the character is more than just that, if not trying to deconstruct them altogether. There’s a sexy dancer who’s actually really shy? That’s funny! Until you see her actually seriously having problems because of her social anxiety so much so that she struggles to even talk to some people, and you realize she probably has this issue because it was her alluring dancing that led to an attempted rape against her in the past. Holy crap! And it’s little things like this that make Awakening’s characters so beloved, as the Heroes polls showed–they benefited from the new support system because they all actually were shown to be very lifelike, distinct and believable, with many facets to them. Having a large number of supports ensured that even if some of their supports were filler, there were opportunities for a more meaningful support with another character. Also notice how unpopular the characters with very few supports were, and how frustrated fans were with that. Hmm…
In the end, there’s no accounting for taste–that is, subjectivity–but when it comes to objectivity, I can’t help but think that the newer support system is just plain better–not a distinctly different system, but an improvement upon the old one–even if there are some things about the old one that I like. Okay, one thing. Affinities. I really like affinities.
Disclaimer: This is not a an angry rant. I am just trying to have a discussion and I like to put a lot of thought into what I have to say. I am not trying to be mean. Positivity all around! (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧
Oh gosh. Wall of text. Uhhhh, I’ll try to respond but I’m bound to have missed something.
Anyway, I rather liked that you COULDN’T just support everything. You had to think about the bonuses available, what characters would most likely be next to each other, and such. But my main point is this: The supports did something tangible besides stat boosts when paired up like Awakening, AND your characters didn’t have to be next to each other for the bonuses. They just had to be within 2 spaces which allows for a lot more flexibility. On to the doing stuff part: support conversations were limited not because the game hated you, but because it would break the game otherwise. Giving Ike 5 ranks of earth supports in PoR gave him around 95 avoid when he was within range of 2 other characters. Broken? Yes. But, unlike Awakening, I didn’t feel punished for not maxing supports before battles. On harder difficulties, the game fully expects you to max supports to even have a shot at the harder levels. As for support quality, I will admit a few of Awakening’s were well written. There were also mediocre ones like how Chrom marries Sumia because she bakes pies, or the copy+paste father/child support conversations. Yes, I know why they did it, but they made them as generic as possible so they fit everyone. I didn’t run into any supports in the GBA or PoR that I didn’t like, but we probably supported different people. Some standouts that I remember were Lucius and Raven’s A support along with Mia and Rhys’ A support.
Idk if I said this, but I wouldn’t mind at all if they removed the cap but let you choose 5 supports (or just the first 5) for stat bonuses, but let you read the rest. And yeah, the affinities are what I really liked. It made the bonuses from each character distinct rather than generic.
And the grinding: call me crazy, but I like XP as a limited resource. You only get so much, so you allways need to judge if it’s worth giving to your pre-promote, your est-type, or your main party. It also means you can’t train everyone, as there just isn’t enough XP to do it, so each run can be unique as you train a different party each time.
And finally, before you say anything about nostalgia, here’s the order I played the games in:
8, 1/2 of 11, 13, 7, 9, 13 (again), 1/3 of 12, 6, 4/5 of 4, 2/3 of 14 (couldn’t make myself finish it) and RD when I get around to it.
So yeah, not really nostalgia speaking
Ahh okay I see what you mean about supporting from a distance in that it is useful, but it just doesn’t make any sense to me how a character could be helping another in battle when they’re that far away from each other.
As for support limits: there are both good and bad supports in newer and older games. The difference is that when there is a limit, once you unlock a bad support, you just wasted a resource that you had no way of knowing it was going to be bad. In theory you could look up the supports online, but that kind of dulls the excitement of unlocking and viewing one. Your idea of “unlock a bunch of supports but only get bonuses for a few of them” sounds nice, but there would be no need to limit them like that if a character could only be aided by the characters right next to them (makes sense) as opposed to getting bonuses from a bit of a distance (makes less sense)
I could maybe get behind you over experience being a limited resource if it weren’t for the fact that it can be so easily wasted through no fault of the player. What if you put everything you have into some characters but they just don’t pull through with their stat gains? There’d be no way of knowing if that would happen until it does, and when that happens, you’re screwed–you might even have to start over.
Between support limits and and experience limits, you push for a game that would need to be replayed multiple times to get the full experience. I don’t like that! Considering older games force you to bench a lot of characters or suffer the low levels of evenly distributed experience, that’s a lot of characters whose supports you’re not even going to unlock at all–plus the the fact that of those characters you do actually use, you’re only going to get five of your supports… I’m going to have to play the game many times over and over to even figure out which characters I even like. And if I don’t really like the characters after all is said and done? That’s a huge waste of time on something I paid money for to have an enjoyable experience. That’s a portion of my life I’m never going to get back, and it’s a much greater portion than if the game was designed for me to get a full experience on only one playthrough. Replays should be more optional than that.
And some of the stuff you said about Awakening is just plain silly. “It punishes you for not having enough supports”… huh? “on higher difficulties”… oh. Dude, if the harder modes are too hard, just don’t play them. That’s what the easier modes are for. And I’d much rather be “punished” for not having a lot of supports (my own decision–I mean, you kind of have to go out of your way not to unlock a lot of supports in Awakening) than for putting experience points into characters and not having it pay off (the game’s fault, not mine).
And… Chrom marries Sumia over pies?? Oh for crying out loud… it’s like people just see the word “pie” and forget that any other word was spoken in their supports! Pie was involved, but they were also talking to each other and building a relationship as they went. There weren’t even any pies in the C support! He doesn’t marry her just because she made him pies–although the gesture of willing making food for someone else just because you can is important to note–he marries her because she was going out of her way to support him and he was realizing how much he cared about her along the way. In the S support he even says, and I *quote*, “this is not about pies”. Yeah they do make some silly comments like “In between the fifth and sixth pie I thought to myself” and “I’ve felt this way since before the very first pie”, but even then, the pies themselves clearly aren’t the cause of the love, and I kind of thought those were intended to be… jokes. Not even jokes on the part of the writers or localizers, but jokes on the part of the characters–because love can be pretty silly, especially that giddy feeling that is so much like laughter, and I mean, it’s a marriage proposal: there should be smiles around anyway, so it’s not exactly an inappropriate time for jokes. Whether or not you find it funny is a different story, but saying “Chrom married Sumia over pies” is just a false statement, and that oversimplification of events is the kind of criticism that Awakening’s supports are unfairly subjected to a lot.
And I don’t think the “generic” supports with the characters’ fathers really made either character suffer that much, because each father still had his own dialogue written in his voice. Actually, I find looking through the same supports with different fathers a nice way to see smaller distinctions in their personalities. The only issue is that sometimes there are sometimes inconsistencies, like Ricken telling Brady he’s never had a teatime in his life or Severa telling Gregor she’s about his age.
But hey, affinities! We agree on that at least! I like it more from a meta standpoint–the implication (that is all but confirmed in the Path of Radiance Anthology) that mages are using spirits of the dead for their power, and what kind of spirit each character would be when they die–and also that each affinity has a sort of personality type that each character of that affinity exhibits traits of… aah!
Oops forgot to respond. Idk if you get my point sort of, but I get yours. Don’t really want to leave you hanging or just back out, but I don’t currently have the time to write a proper response, and I’ll forget if I don’t do something now. So yeah, we’ll agree to disagree. Idk if that response satisfies you, but I fully respect your opinion. This is the most lengthy civil discussion I’ve had with a fan of the newer stuff, and you get bonus respect for that. Nice talking with you.
Are there more story changes than just Alm leading the Deliverance in this trailer? Please answer this with just a yes or a no, I don’t want any spoilers whatsoever. Thank you in advance!
Not necessarily. Olivia and Azura don’t have very impressive stat totals, for instance, and dragons will always suffer the eternal Falchion curse of the omnipresent Marth/Chrom/Lucina. It’ll very much depend on the details of her weapon and what colour type of unit she is, is what I’m thinking.
Azura is a very strong fighter though. Her attack strength is very good, and against red units, which most units are comprised of, she can be very deadly with her Sapphire Lance. Also, even if she goes against Green units, she can easily turn over to a red unit that can fight green units. Its why she’s one of the S+ tier units.
We have Tiki (both versions) as red dragon units, Fae as green dragon unit, and CorrinF as blue dragon unit. Ninian will likely be a blue dragon unit, but at the same time could also be a green dragon unit.
Also, Julia with her Naga tome can also kill dragons, so the 3 Falchion users aren’t the only dangers.
Fair enough. And personally, I imagine she’ll be a Blue unit, ’cause to me that just makes sense (closest colour association with ice. They seem to do that almost everywhere in this game.)
Though I’m thinking she’ll probably get a brand new weapon. After all, none of the existing breath attacks would make sense for her. It’ll be interesting what they’ll do with that.
Yeah, blue unit is my first guess. There are no units that cannot attack. Even healers can attack, though they are very weak, the effects they give from it is somewhat useful.
None of the breath attacks makes sense for Tiki either. She’s a Divine Dragon, so her attack should be a Mist breath, but instead she has a Fire or Lightning breath. And Corrin is more associated with water, but has a dark breath. But yeah, since she’s an ice dragon, she should be using a different kind of breath attack.
Every character has to have an attack so it makes sense I do wonder if they’ll do it with her younger brother Nils since he never transform in the main game then again Sophia is also half Manakete but uses tomes but also I hope in a future remake they make her wield stones!
Given I finished The Blazing Blade last night, this announcement hit me right in the feels and stopped my heart for a split second so of course this gets all of my yes. I just wish I hadn’t spent 20 Orbs this morning and of course this is when FEH starts to phase out the daily Orb bonus…
*sob* All these characters look so beautiful with updated art and I want them so much and why can’t I have them all right now?! Especially Ninian! Having her at the top in portrait like that adds such a mysterious air to the whole piece (P.S. I downloaded this image as soon as I saw the tweet).
I WANT THESE CHARACTERS SO BAD!!! *bursts into tears*
I wonder why Patty was the last SR card. I thought it’d be Sety or Ishtar. Is Patty that popular in Japan?
Also, I remember seeing this screenshot (it was poor quality) that gave a glimpse of future cards. It seems like Aless and Leen may be coming out soon.
So, general impressions of the characters (beware, long comment incoming):
– Ninian is great. Dance + FORTIFY DRAGONS. OK. Now granted Dragon-focussed teams have a really rough time between the Falchion’s and Julia with the Naga tome… But if you don’t have that, good lord, that sounds potentially terrifying. On another note, I’m not terribly surprised seeing Light Breath, but I wish they’d just given her a new weapon. AND WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE HER FIRE BREATH!?
– Karel’s combination of Desperation and Defiant Atk sounds really strong on paper, but then you see his stats, and he’s not as fast as you’d expect… Not to mention somewhat lacking durability.
– Lucius’s concept seems gimmicky, I doubt it’ll be very strong. I get what they were going for, but it doesn’t it just take too long to get Miracle to work? Especially with Martyr slowing its activation further.
– Jafar looks interesting, though I’m not sure if/how his weapon’s effect compliments his stats. Definitely seems like one of the most offensively inclined Shuriken users thus far, though.
– Priscilla, a mounted healer with Rehabilitate (my personal favorite healing skill). A unique combination of attributes right there. Provides defensive support as well. She’ll be good. Really good. Maybe even the best healer?
– Rebecca. Yay, got this unit. Competing with Takumi is always rough, but she sets herself apart. Darting Blow makes her the fastest Archer during Player Phase, which compliments her good colourless Atk well. Furthermore, the rest of her skills obviously want you to pair her with a very bulky unit. Seal Atk means enemies won’t hit as hard (if Rebecca doesn’t kill them outright), letting a tank unit absorb their hits that much more easily, and these units can in term block stop the enemy from reaching Rebecca, while in a pinch, Rebecca can also provide some small healing. But sometimes that makes all the difference.
While training her up, I put Sheena on the same team, and she’s just really bulky all-around. Granted, the AI isn’t always the best representation of this, but for what it’s worth, this combination worked really, really well.
F!Corrin is strong to handle Lucina even Marth which imo is weaker Nowi too its all about when to strike and receive the support, Tiki can just bounce Hectors Armads with more def for Julia probably requires skill inheriting.
Something’s going down the day we get a skill that nullifies effective-against bonusses against Dragon units, something similar to, say, Iote’s Shield.
Spent $75 and with the leftover orbs from last event, the new orbs from this one and the orbs from the end of the voting gauntlet and managed to get 2 Jaffar, 1 Lucius, 1 Ninian and as an added bonus finally got an Azura and a Elise so not a bad summoning but honestly would have preferred a Rebecca or a Priscilla (or maybe finally a frekin Kagero /rage) instead of a 2ed Jaffar but I can wait on those.
It wasn’t in Fates either? The only dual audio game so far WAS awakening.
Now, the real question: Why not? 3 reasons:
1. Licensing costs or issues. In some cases, voice actors need to give their permission for their voices to be used outside of Japan.
2. NoA changed the script too much.
3. Space limitations. Self explanatory.
None are good reasons, but NoA can be downright lazy sometimes.
There were voice glitches in the Japanese audio in the localized version of Awakening that they did have problems with like the female Einherjars spoke with Robin’s third voice, making a new file without a soft reset will not work, and the second male Robin voice that you face Grima didn’t speak a word in the Final Chapter that I totally think that’s probably caused by the glitch. But, I did seen there was a post a thread that have a poll that alot of people voted English voices and only 4 people voted Japanese voices that I totally think that’s probably why alot of people stick using English voices.
Even if Awakening didn’t have it, I’d still ask for it because it’s nice to have. I can complain all I like, but there’s no way I’m ever passing on this game. These complaints are complaints, but they won’t stop my purchase. As for the voice acting, I never asked for it. I’m probably alone on this, but I’d rather a game with no VAs than bad VAs. DON’T GET ME WRONG, NOT ALL OFF THE VOICE ACTING IS BAD. It’s just the random cringe-inducing line readings that make me irritated, especially when I know I’ll be hearing those lines a lot.
Actually, stuff like this is usually what Nintendo and other companies want to hear – when people complain about what they dislike about a game or rave about what they love about a game, it tells game companies what they’re doing right/wrong so they can keep doing the things the fans like and correct the things the fans dislike because if people hate the game too much they won’t put any money into it. In this instance, chances are there’s not much they’ll change in future games because VAs are very difficult to get right on the first try for characters that didn’t have VAs before and it’s difficult to just swap a VA out because people get way more upset over that, but it’s still a good thing for Nintendo to hear that people don’t agree with their choices – maybe they’ll make better VA changes when bringing the Echoes cast to Heroes(which will happen soon if they want to continue raising hype for Echoes).
As for Dual-Audio, if Nintendo had made it work properly(i.e. they checked for glitches BEFORE releasing Awakening and didn’t botch so much of Fates’ Storyline in translation that Dual-Audio would have been even more confusing to add than the Storyline itself…which is saying something in certain places[looks pointedly at Zola]) it would have been a brilliant move, and frankly I loved that I could use the Japanese voices in Awakening – I even got one of my cousins, who is half-Japanese, to ask me about the game because I was playing with the Dual Audio on.
The thing is, Awakening have actually good english voice acting besides Olivia. Even she only particularly bad on battle grunts and not anywhere else. How Fates can have worse quality despite being a sequel to a supposedly final game in a series is a mystery to me.
0:26 of the 3rd video begs to differ. I can’t speak for you, but bad voice acting will ruin any game for me. I’m not annoyed that the voices aren’t the original. I’m annoyed that we’re getting a crap version while Japan’s has highly recognized voice talent. We get the short end of the stick because NoA is cheap. If the voice acting was consistently good, I wouldn’t be complaining.
FE has received some highly recognized English voice talent. I’m all for personal preference, I love Japanese voice acting as much as the next person, but I feel English va’s get too little credit. At worst they’re called trash by virtue of basically just being English.
I think most people who say they have issues with English VAs aren’t saying they can’t be pleased, I think they’re mostly just kind of miffed that Nintendo appears to still only really be focusing on Japan for Fire Emblem(anyone up for a game of Cipher?). Yes, we do have some good VAs(I personally loved Velouria’s battle quotes and Noire’s demon laugh), but a lot of the time Japan’s voice acting just sounds better – like Olivia, whose Japanese voice high pitch fit her character design so much better than her English lower one. On the other hand, there were some characters who made me wish I could custom-tailor my voice options per character so I could play with the Japanese voices for everyone else but keep their English ones – Basilio’s Japanese voice in particular made my ears hurt, and then there was Donnel…Anyways, my personal theory is there’s at least one guy up at Nintendo who thinks it was a bad idea to let the Americans see Marth and Roy in Melee all those years back because then they’d have to waste time throwing us enough scraps to keep us quiet, hence the censorship and translation problems a lot of Americans have with the game as it kind of feels like they’re babying us. Maybe I’m wrong, but it does seem a little weird at times the random things they change(I straight-up LOVE “Slappyface” though, not gonna lie).
I actually loved Olivia’s voice. Though, there isn’t really a voice I hate in the FE series. Even Felicia, which by everyone’s standards has bad VA, eventually grew on me and I couldn’t see her any other way than with that voice. Maybe this is because I have (or had) no prior knowledge of what the voices sounded like in Japanese, but even then, I am still grateful for them.
Felicia’s voice actress is probably the best and most talented in all of Fates. I didn’t know there were VAs that could pump that much personality into 2-second clips.
I was kind of with you until you mentioned Olivia.
That kawaii desu squealing is never acceptable on an adult. Ever.
Her English voice is still high-pitched, but not to an obnoxious extent, just to a realistic one. Her voice still shakes and she’s still quiet, and that’s enough to fit with her character.
Basically, her Japanese voice acting sounds like voice acting, and her English voice acting sounds like talking.
I misspoke. Some of the voice actors are fine and I don’t mind them at all. Alm isn’t half bad, and I wouldn’t mind his voice. But, just like dubs, the side characters get the lesser voice actors and, in a game fully voiced (like this is), that can ruin the experience for me. Again, it’s not the fact that it’s english, but the fact that it’s not consistently good. Genny’s voice oh gosh. That and Mae’s battle quotes are what ruined it for me.
The closest thing I can find on the internet to a definition of “Weeb” says “A non-Japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves Japanese. They try to learn Japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.” Admittedly, this isn’t necessarily trustworthy because it IS the internet and “Weeb” isn’t in any of the physical dictionaries my family owns so obviously I can’t check them, but I assume you can see the difference between this and the people on here. For anyone who doesn’t, have an example:
~My Weeb Impression~
(Based on a mix of what little Japanese I know[intentionally misspelled to mirror past experiences I’ve had – correct spellings are “Sugoi” and “Kawaii” if what I’ve checked is correct] and what I’ve seen people who fit above description say on social networking sites)
“I can’t stand English VAs because they all suck OTN compared to the ORIGINAL VAs, which were ultra sugoy! Genny’s VA especially sounded super kawaie!”
Just saying the Japanese VA is better than the English one isn’t being a “Weeb” – rather, it’s a statement of personal preference. For example, while I have usually found myself enjoying the JP VAs more than the English ones(though some of those are simply because I grew up with said character only speaking JP[COUGHROYCOUGH]), there are several characters who I liked better in English, such as Basilio, who sounds definitely like someone trying to be gruff and failing in Japanese, or Donnel, who sounds super nasally with Dual-Audio on. Then there’s Noire, who, while a little off-sounding in either language, sounds better in English. Then we have characters like Soleil, who I haven’t heard in Japanese and don’t think I’d like because her English voice just fits her somehow, and Palla, whose English voice for Heroes I promptly fell in love with even though I expected something a little older-sounding, and I’m honestly never going to look up the JP voice for because I found myself liking her in English so much.
I guess I spent a lot more words than I needed to here, but hopefully you got the main gist – it’s not being a “Weeb” it’s stating one’s opinion of the video. Maybe you don’t agree, maybe you do, but just dismissing them all as something they actually don’t qualify as makes it harder for people to take your opinion seriously as well. If you have to call names, perhaps go for “Whiners” – that’s more easily understood, and gives people a chance to react more calmly(for whatever reason, I’ve found calling people “Weebs” tends to just make them really, really pissed off at you) and explain their reasoning behind their opinion.
There wasnt a single bad voice in there. Why are people saying the voice acting is bad? None of these voices are on the level of Selkie, Peri, or “We’ve got trouble”
By english speakers. Ok, point taken, I rather it go die in a corner altogether. Except for the sub of Madoka Magika, which intentionally uses it to subvert expectations, or 2 certain characters from Danganronpa who use it to the same effect.
Do you realize how easy it is to die in this game? Not to mention that you can only bring 4 units, so you might not even have a healer on you. To send you back down to Level 1 or even drop a couple levels is downright cruel still.
Ateleir Faye: Alchemist of the Valentian Deliverance. Nice to see that Hidari’s artwork doesn’t stray too far from her roots, yet they do have that Fire Emblem charm.
Not sure how to feel about the Amiibo mechanics. Having an Einjehar mechanic is weird, especially with it being just another Alm or Celica. It’s redundant. I guess the other amiibo will give items, or maybe include the Hero Battles from Fates.
So they want to have an event that features permadeath… but it isn’t actually permadeath? How is that going to work?
I have a theory, but it’s only that. I was thinking that they will set up a series of map, that we have to challenge in sequence (with a select team of units?) and any units that get KO’d in the process won’t be usable in the event for its remainder.
Though honestly, I can’t really see that working any other way (yet). Gonna be interesting to see what they have planned.
Possibly, but I doubt it, seeing as we already have maps that deny the use of that item, so an event of the sort hardly seems new. And if you don’t use the Light’s Blessing in the first place, it would change nothing.
Yeah, but consider this. If we have an actual loss of units if they fall here, and how hard some units are to get, you essentially make yourself lose a unit that you could have spent so much money on for all we know. Such a thing would be absolutely unacceptable and would get Heroes to get a lot of bad publicity. So it has to be those maps like Arena battles where you cannot use Light’s Blessing.
I never suggested ‘actual’ permadeath. What I am speculating is a special series of (temporary, I didn’t mention that, but seeing as it’s an event, it seems like the logical conclusion) maps where defeated units cannot be used again on those maps specifically. So you could still use those units, just not for those event maps. I realize my wording may have been confusing, so sorry for that.
Believe me, I am very aware of the impact of actual full-on permadeath in Heroes and wouldn’t support it for a second myself. As part of a seperate event, though, and purely isolated to that event, I think that would be fine.
If it was something like a consecutive kind of battle or something, but units that lost cannot be used anymore would be interesting as if you want to keep using those units, you can try using some extra units you don’t use as possible canonfodder while saving your strongest units for last. That would indeed be interesting.
It would also promote the use of units with more longevity and the ones that help others survive, primarily all the healers that are just a little neglected right now.
Actually, aside from Elise, very few healers are that good, mostly because Elise has mobility and can heal 15 points of damage, and her special raises attack power by 4 points.
I’m aware of that, that’s why I say they are neglected. Though I did not know Elise was the generally favoured healer. I personally thought the ones with Rehabilitate were typically the most useful due to how much they could potentially heal. From low to full in a single turn seems really strong. And on that note, at first glance, I’d probably say Priscilla, who combines Rehabilitate with 3 movement. Fear also seems more useful than Slow, though the latter has a niche with a Draw Back user.
I found Elise to be pretty useful, probably cause she was the first 5* hearler I got in my team, and the second one I leveled up to 40. But she is pretty good, as her attack can actually do some form of damage to some units, meaning that she does have some offensive power, and Gravity works quite well in reducing unit movement if used right. And her Special Skill when healing makes you be able to give 4+ attack to all units, which is always helpful since the other units are essentially the attacker. Not to say that the additional 10 points heal special skill is bad, because that would be very useful, especially for Physic users.
This is my opinion: You play the “pemadeath maps” with your 4 units team (Exemple: Marth, Robin, Camilla and Takumi). And then, Robin died in a battle. Now, you can not use that Robin in the “pemadeath maps”. If you want to use Robin, you need to have another Robin, a different one.
So, if your unit die in theses maps, you can not use this unit anymore… in this mode, of course. This unit will be blocked, not be allowed to fight in this mode again.
The game’s events takes place in the year 401? Hmm… the timelines article I found on this web site says Marth’s games and Gaiden take place in the 600s, so does this mean Echoes has retconned when Alm and Celica’s quests take place? If so–and assuming the placement of Marth’s games didn’t change with the remakes–then it would be a little tough to explain how Palla, Catria, and Est would be running around with Alm and Celica. On the other hand, it gives a little more leeway to how Falchion could’ve hopped between two continents without anyone knowing (assuming Falchion is even still in Echoes; there’s a chance they replaced it with a completely different weapon).
I don’t think this’ll be a big deal in the long run, but unless they changed Falchion to a different sword and replaced the pegasus trio with different characters, we’ll have some continuity issues to work out. ^_^;;
The calendar used in this game is probably different than the ones used in the Archanea games, since it refers to itself as the Valentian calendar, and starts when the concept of a calendar was introduced to that continent.
Different calendars would explain a few things regarding the pegasus trio, but not so much the bouncing Falchion (as amusing an image as that is). That bit of continuity weirdness was there in the original version of Gaiden, but again, it’s easily fixed with a simple name change. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. 🙂
The FE1/FE3/FE:A Falchion is one Falchion as they all function the same, are said to be the same, etc. The weaker Falchion in SD is another Falchion as it’s obviously different. And, the FE2/SoV Falchion is yet another as it both functions differently–seals a goddess, has no starspheres–and is never said to be the same that I can recall.
With the Japanese subtitle being “Another Hero-King”, I think they’ll keep it as “Falchion” to continue drawing parallels with Marth.
As mentioned, the Falchion isn’t a unique weapon in the series and there can be more than one at a time. Whether through timey wimey shenanigans or just breaking a tooth from a dragon’s jaw.
There were two Falchions. Alm’s Falchion is just like Marth’s Falchion, except a different wielder. They’re two seperate swords with the same name and purpose.
The Amiibo data…that doesn’t look good for my hopes of Roy’s Amiibo doing SOMETHING in a Fire Emblem game. Nonetheless, I still cling desperately to the hope that they haven’t forgotten our boy.
Also, yay for an updated look for everyone so they don’t look…like they used to. That was…I still have nightmares about some of the old portraits…*shudder*
“Poor harvests caused the food-stocks of the Rigelian Empire to run dry. Rigel’s request for assistance from Zofia were met with rejection. Rudolf I himself led the troops to invade Zofia. Rigel and Zofia entered all-out war.”
So basically this is what Fates should have been but wasn’t.
So now that this feature is live, I am curious what sort of new, interesting, gimmicky or potentially broken inheritance options people have found. Slapping Close Counter/Distant Counter and Vantage onto everything remotely combat-competent is one idea, and I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of Life&Death and Fury being thrown around as well. That’s viable and legit, sure, but that’ll be kinda boring, so I was hoping people would share some (more interesting?) ideas.
If anything, a few things I thought of was passing Escape Route or Wings of Mercy to certain units, specifically dancers/singers/healers. The *raven tomes would be great to override any others without bonuses or *blade for countering Takumi or other colorless. *wolf tomes would also be another great choice for anti-cavalry. Breakers to improve one’s effectiveness against what they are already strong against can help, especially if they are slow like Effie. You already brought up Vantage, there’s also Quick Riposte that could achieve the same, or similar at least. Beyond that, maybe things that can boost a unit’s low stats like +Defense as the images above showed, or to just fill an empty slot. Hana’s been incredible for me, 1-shots Hector, I’d like to replace her Obstruct skill since that is completely out of place on her, so Pass may be an option, Desperation would be good too if she’s already low on HP, and Threaten Spd/Def/Atk would fill the void and give her better odds of killing or surviving. Any Threaten would be good on most units to weaken enemies as they are baited. Hone/Fortify could further increase the gap and almost guarantee victory. As for healers, transfer to them Rehabilitate and Recover and switch as necessary, warp healing, different Balms, Defiant or + Def/Res for durability. That’s all I can think of right now, not too many unique combinations.
I was also thinking that skills like Swap and Pivot are probably great for the armour knights as a pseudo movement increase, and the ability to inherit Goad/Ward, etc skills would allow one to customize a team of units of a specific movement type, even more so with soon-increased availability of the shield skills (like Michalis, who will no doubt carry Iote’s Shield. Suddenly, a team of fliers doesn’t just die outright at the mere sight of Takumi).
Very true, did not think of Pivot since I don’t use it nor do I use armored too often because of the 1 move. For something like the missions with “Beat X using 4 armored” it would be incredible to have all of them with Pivot, just flying across the map… Assuming there is space to do so, in which case Shove or Smite may help just as well. I have used Effie to Smite units across the lava and water tiles on certain maps. Pivot would also allow a knight to move in front of anyone that might have taken too much damage and they can immediately facetank a good hit or two (but I’ve always had knights too far away for that to happen thanks to the 1 move). I’ll certainly look into all of it more, just need more units now (and to not send home duplicates any more, but there goes some feather income).
I plan on sticking a defiant skill on my 5 star Nino for that beautiful +7 atk, and maybe desperation. The only problem is making sure she doesn’t get 1hkod.
I was thinking about GaleForce – sure, it takes a freakin’ 5 actions to charge, but assuming it isn’t locked to Lyn/Cordelia that’s an option, especially for someone like Roy, who doesn’t seem to get any sort of battle Skill as far as I can see. Admittedly, you’re sacrificing Lyn for Roy, which a lot of people I know would say is a bad idea, but that’s a thought. Another thing you could do is give Olivia/Azura a battle Skill like Luna(Night Sky) so they have more offensive power. Also trying to figure out how I can get my Sakura to be better, so if anyone’s got a suggestion, mine is at 4S right now with almost all available Skills already unlocked.
The real question: Can I get rid of my Alfonse/Sharena/Anna to give their decent Skills to a Unit that I’ll actually use? I’m assuming no, but still have fingers crossed.
My only regret about Inheritance was that I pulled a second 5S Camilla and used it to boost my other Camilla – definitely would have saved her if I’d known ahead of time because Brave Axe/Draconic Gaze.
You can’t get rid of Alfonse/Sharena/Anna. Ever. Trust me, I checked.
Remember that you can also have a unit inherit a skill for a slot they already have occupied. Now, Roy does have a unique weapon, of course, but otherwise, as far as sword units are concerned, even without skills, he’s got stiff competition. So yeah, personally, I wouldn’t soon use lose Lyn for Galeforce on him (if I had either in the first place). Unless you really like Roy’s Binding Blade, I feel it may be more worthwhile building up another sword unit.
That’s my personal opinion, though. Maybe you really like Roy, in which case, more power to you. After all, with in Inheritance, you can make pretty much anyone worthwhile. Maybe not the best, but hey.
The sad thing is that Close Counter and Distant Counter belong only to Takumi and Hector respectively, and the odds that you’d actually want to get rid of them is nil. You’d have to get multiple Hectors and Takumi and then use them up.
Maybe – I think either Genealogy will get a redo first as it’s the next oldest game(plus nobody at Nintendo loves Roy as far as I can see), or we’ll get an English version of New Mystery of the Emblem, but after that, Binding Blade’s the only Japan-exclusive, plus even Nintendo should be able to see how much fans would pay to get to play Roy’s story legally, and not even just FE fans at that – the only reason I got into Awakening was because I wanted to know more about the two new guys from Smash Bros.(Lucina and Robin), so it stands to reason that the same rule would apply to Re:Binding Blade.
FE 6+7 only makes so much sense. they could get tactitian/mark as an actual playable charecter and it wouldn’t change much, and they could work with the children mechanic for FE6 charecters and actually introduce more charecters for desendents of FE7 charecters. and people loved FE4’s childern mechanic.
Genealogy’s 2-Gen mechanic is why I think it’ll be next for a remake instead of them fusing Roy and Eliwood’s stories into one game next – that was part of why a lot of people liked Awakening and Fates so much. Frankly, I doubt we’ll ever see New Mystery in English outside of fan-translations, but it is still an option. Either way, whichever we get probably isn’t coming for a couple years since they’re working on FE for the Switch right now.
Almost. For instance, special weapons like Falchion, Durandal, Armads, etc are character-specific, and some skills are specific to certain types of units. A Dragon cannot inherit Svalinn Shield. A Cavalier cannot inherit Goad Fliers. A ranged attacking unit cannot inherit Knock Back. Just a few examples of exceptions.
Still, we’ll have to see how broken units can really get. And who knows, if any unit does get outrageously broken, perhaps we’ll get rebalancing measures to compensate. Maybe.
The rebalancing measure is presumably arena matchmaking, but we need more details to know for sure. They made it sound like they’d heavily rate skills in matchmaking now. That would be nice if they do it well. A good matchmaking system would also allow them to more fairly reward points on factors like value difference between you and your opponent, survival and time to clear rather than just strict point value of your opponent and survival like they do now.
To me, they’d need to both make the good matchmaking and re-work rewarded points like that in order to fix the system entirely. Beyond that, the only hope would be proper use of the tier system so everybody with broken stuff gets cordoned away in higher tiers over time.
The voice is decent. Not as good as Awakening highs, but at least not as low as Fates. It looks like there will be more voiced lines in Echoes than the previous game.
How else would you have inheritance work? The demand for Orbs/Feathers is high enough as is, and without some sort of cost, I feel like the game would just explode.
I suppose right now the issue more than anything is getting 5-star units, either through direct pull or upgrading them there. 20K Feathers is still a lot, and I feel constantly compelled to use my feathers on 3-star units to upgrade them into 4-star ones, because a lot of them can be good, and even more now that inheritance is a thing, seeing as many only get their valuable skills from 4-star on.
Yes. You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the new games.
Some old fans might behave frustrated at times because one of their favourite series went off track, but the respone to mere criticism is pretty awful.
You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the old games, no matter go good of a reason they have. Some new fans might be frustrated at times because they’re being treated like they’re doing something wrong by having fun, but the response to having different taste is pretty awful.
It’s like crying wolf–so much of the so-called criticism of newer games is just plain stupid that it’s no surprise some people have stopped listening to it altogether. But seriously, if you hang around the blogs and such of newer fans, you’ll see they have plenty of criticism about what wasn’t good and what could have been handled better. “Not being able to handle criticism” is something I’ve only ever seen coming from older fans.
Wow! I did well getting Anna to 4 stars, she will see some use on my arena score! Wait, wait… I also have Ursula, Rebecca and Fir… this time I can make a team of all focus heroes for the first time!
So for anyone who have played the original game, is it ever a good idea to give mages a melee weapon? I know shields is a better option but I like a hybrid betweem melee and magic.
I started to level up Ursula for the Arena, and I gave her Felicia’s skill: Glacies, which bost her attack with 80% of her Resistence, and… OhmiGosh, she is amazing! Too bad that Blarwolf is only Mt 6, but at least it is good against cavalry.
My team (cleared Lunatic on first attempt after using Hard to scout the map), plus suggestions for non-randomly obtained substitutes:
1. Narcian (4* Max Level) baited and ORKO’d the lace pegasus, also killed the lace soldier on the left. 3* version can probably handle this since he shouldn’t need all 3 ranks of Lancebreaker to do his job. In my strategy, Narcian’s role as a flying green who can ORKO the lance pegasus — without baiting anything else in the process — was not replaceable by other free units, so hopefully you have him or a good substitute (you could consider baiting Michalis instead, if you have a red flier).
2. Takumi (5* Max Level) killed the other pegasus, though any decently leveled archer should work fine (Virion is available for free, and I believe Gordin will be featured in the upcoming Focus if you dismissed or transferred the former).
3. Tharja (5* Max Level) easily ORKO’d Michalis. Sadly, the free, neutral-natured Raigh and Sophia won’t be fast enough to double Michalis without skill transfers (need at least 32 speed), so field a refresher — Ninian, or Azura, or the free Olivia — to help either of those two, field a different, faster mage, or use another strategy. Remember that Michalis isn’t weak to bows thanks to Iote’s Shield.
4. Marth (5* Max Level) handled the sword cavalier on the left and was basically filler for my team. If you don’t have a reliable way to ORKO Michalis, this spot could be used for Olivia, who is available today (March 20) in the Special Maps, or another refresher. If you field Raigh in slot 3, he should able to deal with the sword cavalier with Olivia’s help, assuming Rauðrwolf doesn’t OHKO.
It was up for at least 2 hours, which is a bit of an improvement. I was able to snag one, but I’m hoping I’ll be able to snag one from amazon and save a good $20
I’ve already preordered my copy of FESoV so preordering again would be a waste, besides it’s not like it’ll even be in stock for more than a few minutes before the scalpers get to them.
I’m messed up about the guy pronounced it as “val-en-TEE-uh” when, considering the alternate spelling is Valencia, by all means it should be “val-EN-shia”
GS was willing to let me switch my preorder from the SV to the LE over the phone, but I couldn’t preorder the Amiibos that way, so I left work a few hours early to get that done. The guy said I was the third preorder to switch to the limited edition, but it and the Amiibo dual pack were still available.
I really hope that the summoning for “one turn” is a typo or something… It seems like making a whole character animation for one turn of Marth, Ike, etc is a bit of a waste and a letdown. Perhaps one map or match, instead of one turn?
Eh, went for the regular edition with amiibo’s. Artbook and pins would be nice to have but I’ve been through the whole absurd, obsessive freak-out agony that is hoping for stock to come back (and that game turned out to suck so… so badly). Energy that doesn’t need to be spent.
In the footage released by Rebekah Valentine from apptrigger.com, the actual PAX East trailers, Saber was running around with it on a map of Celica vs Terrors and Grieth’s crew
Hmm, those Lunatic Quests don’t seem so bad. And unlike another recent set of quests, these don’t demand you do the same thing 5, 10 or even 15 times. This is pretty easy by comparison. And in total, that’s 20 orbs in all. Thank you kindly! And those 10 extra stamina potions make the process that much quicker and less painless, if you want to use them for this. I think I’ll save my orbs for the next banner, though.
Echoes looks great so far, but I think we knew that already.
You manage to get through 9-5? I managed to get through the others with some difficulty, but this last one is the toughest, since I need to bring an axe user, but hardly anyone seems suited to fight.
Kind of wish Heroe’s would produce more time-consuming story-content. (I know they said they’ll update the story every 2 weeks and yes I’ve played other gacha games before). Because while its normal for banners to be up for like 2 weeks, typically when new stuff comes around the events that follow take up that amount of time. (This is from previous experience from Fate Grand Order and GrandBlue Fantasy)….because basically Heroe’s just gives us a new banner but only paralouges that can be finished in 1-2 days. Leaving the remaining 12-13 days of boredom and grinding. Or when they last updated the story like a week ago it was only one brief xenologue…..like I kind of expected to get a full chapter (5 battles)….but….yeah….we waited that long for just one chapter with one battle. I would be fine with the way they’re currently doing things if instead of having 2 weeks of Blazing Shadows it was instead 10 days….considering I finished the paralogues in one day.
Plus they’re really taking too long to update these characters. Considering they have all of these games to utilize they’re releasing new characters at a snails pace (again, I know they basically want it every 2 weeks. That means that we’ll only get like 28 new banners in a full year. At the very minimum if there’s 4 new characters per banner that means 112 characters a year. Not counting that they literally will take a break from new characters to do a rate up of existing characters whenever we have a grand battle…..so what I’m saying is that they’re able to stretch this content out for years (I’m guessing they want to so they’re able to somehow incorporate the new FE that’s coming out on Switch).
I mean hell, I’m not saying just release a full games worth of characters at once. What I’m saying is that at least change things up by replacing some existing characters with newer -not as important to warrant their own banner- characters. Like would it kill them to replace Virion with like….Will from FE7? Neimi from FE 8? Or hell, even give us the same characters but as different colors to go along with class changing. Like instead of having red Stahls, give us a blue Stahl…..ugh.
So this can be summed up that while Heroes has been generous with the amount of freebies they’re giving out, they’re still working at a snails pace. They need to create content that is able to last as long as the banners they release. Not give us 2 weeks of the same new characters while only giving us paralogues that can be completed in a day.
Inb4 someone tells me that there’s still stuff to do in that game. Because oh yeah, just arena grinding for feathers is “So Fun” If it wasn’t for these new quests I would be bored as hell. Difference is that these missions are being played on already existing chapters so its not anything new. After the April updates come in they really need to take a look at the actual story and work on that.
But I’ve been spending money on this game so its not like I’m stopping anytime soon. I just hope there’s more for me to do than just to log in at night and get my orbs, do 3 arena battles, and do random orb quest grinding.
… Sigh… so any idea how to beat 9-2 – 9-5 on Lunatic? Because I am having a shitty hard time winning without losing any comrades. Its like you HAVE to use the Light’s Blessing to win.
It’s about time Aless and Lene were finally released. One of the most underrated couples in the series ever. I like how you see Bramsel perving in the background of Lene’s. They really went bold on Lene’s design.
And hooray it looks like the subs are getting cards after all!
Also I really like how they made Kellam’s holographic. That’s a nice touch.
I’m in the same boat! I saved a lot for the last new banner but all I wanted was Ninian, and I was lucky enough to get her with ~40 Orbs left. I don’t really care much for the Michalis banner either, so now I’m sitting at 130 Orbs, twiddling my thumbs. Hoping we get something cool next week!
They pack some useful skills for inheritance at least. Eliwood’s Axebreaker and Ward Cavalry, Selena’s Triangle Adept and Reposition, Gordin’s Brave Bow and Vantage, and Minerva’s Life&Death and Ward Fliers (and she’s a solid unit in her own right). All skills that I’d personally find spots for on other units with ease. I’d happily get any of them for that.
old fashioned supports huh? I’m game as long as they don’t have a maximum support point per map like back in the day, save for maybe one support per map.
The game looked so awesome at Dutch Comic Con. <3 Too bad it was on easy though, it was a breeze to play through if you played any Fire Emblem game before. I was still really happy to play it, and there wasn't even a line. I was able to start playing the moment I arrived at the stand.
Did they show what this Rinean girl looks like during at the Dutch Comic Con? I did heard someone mentioned it the she gives the player with the Azura vibes and she is the girlfriend or fiancee of Berkut.
Haven’t seen her. I also skipped all story stuff because spoilers. I also barely used any units aside from Alm and Clive because Alm could tank everything and Clive becauseof his movement. So I honestly barely even remember what units I was able to use. ;p
These are great changes, especially the unit placement! I know I had been screwed over on a few maps simply because my units were in the wrong spots… >_<
Or the one that puts just one in the room that would normally have Ryoma. That one sucks when you get your squishy Nino stuck in there with nowhere to run.
All of these are big YES-ses. Starting positions should’ve been a thing from the start. This will take a LOT of RNG-screwage out of the game. Especially in a game where movement range is so small, this can be absolutely crucial to the outcome of a battle.
Increased Stamina Pool is also long overdue. Stamina is EASILY the most complained-about aspect of the game, especially since literally just TWO runs of the later story maps would already consome almost the entire gauge. The increased gauge should make it a lot more forgiving, and it buffs up the value of stamina potions as well. Better be saving those till the update hits.
Increased EXP for lower-star units? …To be honest, it’s not the first thing I’d have thought of, but it is a logical change, since these weaker units are in fact harder to train. I welcome the change.
Most definitely. It was annoying going into battle, only for my placement to be so bad that I get screwed over. This should have been the thing that was given from the start. Not being able to change placement is really bad.
My god, how this will make using the stamina up so much easier. Like, now I don’t have to worry that I gotta wait forever, and if the stamina reaches 50, then it won’t continue and if I’m working, that’s stamina points that could be recovering being lost. XP
Good thing I have all that stamina potions saved.
Given how little we get 5* units, and get a lot more lower* units, this is good.
I can understand that stamina and exp are concepts that needed some testing and feedback before being updated, but I feel like the ability to arrange your units prior to battle should’ve been included from the beginning.
So with all these new changes coming up, hopefully they start working on the story and events to be more….impactful? Like having 99 stamina to use is nothing if there’s nothing to spend it on since at this point I don’t need to train any of my units and I just do 3 arena battles a day. When they updated the story last time I kind of expected to have more than just one xenologue chapter. Even these banners take too long to change. While gacha games do have banners for 1-2 weeks, they create content to go along with the banner that’ll help players be occupied (like Fate G/O and GrandBlue). But them just creating short paralogues that can be completed in a day is wasteful since the remaining 13 days are spent in boredom or random grinding. But seriously, is there a place fans can actually write their concern about this game to the creators?
Hoping that Chrom turns out to be a decent axe user. I’m low on green units. To any neigh-sayers, you would be surprised. Some alternate outfit characters tend to be better than their original counterparts (well at least with my experience with Fate Grand Order). These all may be gag characters but there’s potential for them to fit within your team (or just use them for skill sacrifices if you’re into that).
IMO that’s very unlikely if SWITCH is the target console since that’s going to be expensive to make. 3ds is possible assuming Nintendo doesn’t pull the plug next year.
You mean to say like how there hasn’t been a remake of an FE game on a Nintendo’s home console? You have no precedent to back up your claim. Tellius is also one of the worse selling FE game.
You’re the one who couldn’t accept the precedents. No remake so far on consoles. The 2 FE game on a home consoles are gigantic flops. What happened to WiiU again? Flop. A home consoles asset require far more time and money than a handheld. Would you really think Nintendo would waste that kind of resources on an FE remake on a home console? Not even the best selling Wii got a FE remake. What makes you think SWITCH can hold a candle with those Wii sales?
Tellius-like sales here we come with the transition to SWITCH!!!
Isn’t the switch a handheld and console hybrid? So they’ll be making a game for both console and handheld play. FE switch is already announced so that means they have been working on a FE engine for that platform which they can regurgitate for future fe games on switch. Asset creation would obviously be more expensive to produce than 3ds ones but Nintendo is surely going to want IS to buff up the switch library.
Remakes don’t seem that unlikely if echoes does well enough and the series’ popularity continue to grow, especially considering that they can sell it to both old and new fans (and how Nintendo as a whole love remakes lol). This may not be the case before but the fire emblem brand has certainly gained more recognition throughout the years and it would be a good idea to use previous games as groundworks for future projects.
Of course I feel like they would remake fe4 (which has a large following in Japan) first before hd remastering Tellius but who knows. Right now we’re just hyping about what we have so far with echoes: SoV, fe switch etc, which is already pretty swell.
Your making yourself look more rediculous just stop….also using the WiiU as a attempted argument is laughable marketing is everything not what the console is plus soon Pokemon’s gonna follow suit as well.
You do know the difference of a home console and a handheld right? The cost alone to make it won’t justify the remake. Ever wonder why MonHun stayed on 3ds/PSP ? Not to mention Tellius is also one of the worst selling FE game and guess what it’s on a home console.
I thought they didn’t put Monster Hunter on consoles most of the time, because local play was so important to it, especially in Japan. Same thing with the core Pokémon games, and why they haven’t appeared on a console before. The Switch would solve that issue, though.
Of course, costs is probably also part of the equation, but I doubt that’s the sole reason.
Ok. I see your points and they are problems that can occur. I do believe, however, with Fire Emblem’s new popularity, cost won’t be an issue anymore. Really NONE of the fire emblem games sold well before awakening, so that’s probably why there was never a remake. I assume with the series revival, there will be more room to experiment and make a remake or two.
Where are you basing that? All remakes have been on handhelds since they are cheaper to make. With how awful Tellius sold they better thread carefully with this one.
All the remakes are on handheld because all the remakes were made after they switched to handheld only. And “cheaper to make” also applies to making games in an existing framework, which is why i suggested it would come after Fire Emblem Switch.
And then there is the fact i think of the Switch as a handheld too.
IMO it’s too early to judge that. Japan is not that fond of home consoles. Nintendo should expect lower sales with the transition to Switch not mention the probability of Switch being another WiiU 2.0 which means lack of 3rd party support.
Gee, a guy who conceals his identity behind a mask??? I wonder who else did that(Sirrius, Black Knight, Mysterious Man, Lucina). Still, I wonder who this guy is….
I have to say, I’m kind of disappointed by this set. Maybe they’ll turn out to be strong, but wen in that case it would be weird to put one of these four on your team. Im not really against alternate artwork as a concept, but I’m not a fan of these four.
I can’t decide. Do I spend my precious orbs and pull? Or do I not pull. I don’t particularly care for any of them, but Camilla is currently the only mage flier, and Lucina and Chrom both have at least one very useful skill in Swift Sparrow (I’d pass that on through inheritance for sure) or Axe Experience (which would just be an incredible long-term investment for training up Axe units). Xander… looks like dead weight, though. I’m completely F2P, so I don’t want to just throw in my orbs at the first opportunity I get.
well had a fair amount of luck on this one and got everyone and a few others fairly easily. However with my track record in mind that means I’m getting jack shit for the next 2 banners I try for.
63 stones and my very first pulls were 5-stars: Cordelia, Julia, & Abel. All in a row. Everything else was pretty much either ass or straight up skill inheritance material. But I’ll take what I can get. I’m just happy I now don’t have to spend 20,000 feathers on upgrading my 4 star Abel
The fact they made a whole web site dedicated to this is so extra. I would live if this actually became a Fire Emblem game but all of the content was just hilarious and not taken seriously. Like a satire on FE itself. Would be so meta, bruhhhhh.
Run like Melos, Marth!
The sad thing is I could see it work as a cute vaporware game, kinda like megaman 9-10, if they ever wanted to make it. The shogun spritework made me chuckle.
Nice one, Intelligent Systems.
Combining parties is very obvious a thing that’ll happen not because of obvious official pairs for the ending but because of more character interactions that might’ve not happen in the original.
I noticed that it is past the ending. So if it’s not a new main villain, is it just a good excuse for children? At least it’s a better excuse than Fates’.
What about Cordelia? She seems to have a possible chance.
Ugh, this isn’t like the last one. I knew for sure Lucina would win. Granted, even if she wasn’t a shoe in, I’d choose her, since she’s my fav.
Cordelia is very popular, given how she was voted as a top character apart from Tharja. Though for the Heroes poll, Camilla does rank higher. But yeah, Camilla does have the advantage given that she has the bunny outfit, complete with more sex appeal on it.
When the last voting poll was up, I said “the only one who could possibly beat Lucina, prince, princess or otherwise, is probably Camilla.” I still think thats mostly true
I pick who I actually like and thats My Awakening wife Cherche she, Cordelia, Hinoka and MAYBE Minerva(princess) are popular and has a decent chance but I really don’t care about polls like these too glorified and predictable I pick who I love show IS I care about the other characters!
Oh trust me, I would go for who I love most as well. But unlike the Prince vs Princess one, I don’t have anyone here that I really like. I love Lucina, so of course I chose her. But here, no one really gets me wanting to go for them.
So many focusses running at the same time, yet so few orbs to spare (and no, I’m not putting in money). Doesn’t help they decided to cut the login orb bonus now of all times.
Oh my god, the worst Grand Hero battle EVER. And I don’t mean its too hard. No, the opposite. Its too EASY! Didn’t even break a sweat beating everyone. RobinM literally SLAUGHTERED the Ninjas in an instant. Navarre went down quickly, and Lucina cut that axe user down to size. Rebecca could literally take the rest herself as well.
Interesting, unlike last time, each side doesn’t first fight it out amongst themselves. Well then.
I think Camilla is going to crush Hinoka, and I expect Minerva to beat Palla convincingly as well. Subaki vs. Beruka and Cordelia vs. Cherche might be a bit more interesting.
Cherche lets go she has good chance now! Hinoka might have a decent chance, Subaki bye!, Palla and Minerva are interesting still its gonna be another pointless one which I hate…
So far she did a good job getting so high only thing I care about in these contest is the love each character outside the obvious gets show IS we love the other characters!
I got it on my first try. Robin was perfect for the job. Even the Lunatic version was easy.
I couldn’t decide, so I literally made my own tournament with the characters… and flipped a coin. Camilla won in the end.
I like Palla, too. To be honest, I like the characters given, some of them at least, but its just none of them really get my interests up that much. I only chose Camilla cause she won the coin toss. I’d have gone for anyone in the end.
I got Navarre after beating Hard mode, but there’s no way in HELL I am getting him from Lunatic mode, because Grand Hero Battle Lunatic mode is bullshit!
As for the second Voting Gauntlet? Well, guess who I will be rooting for? A certain Wyvern Rider and a certain princess of Nohr…
FYI, most of my characters are 4-Stars, especially Kagero and Sophia, and they’re still weak in Lunatic mode. Face it, kid, none of the Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode is easy, never easy at all. So I’d say “Screw the Lunatic Grand Hero Battle”, it messes with our lives, hard!
Kagero is actually stupid good on this map, as all the enemy units are infantry units. Kagero gets effective damage on all of them, so I imagine you could make it farther you may think, with a little bit of strategy. Maybe you can throw in some buffs, or maybe you have a dancer… perhaps you have a sturdy lance unit sitting around for the left end of the map to intercept Navarre?
Besides, it’s only like 15 stamina, making an attempt or two surely won’t hurt that bad. You have something decent to gain, and very little to lose.
I don’t care if it cost low stamina, kid, I’ve had enough with those God forsaken Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode, and there’s nothing you can do to make me play those ever again, misguided kid! The Grand Hero Battle against Michalis in Lunatic mode is where I drew the line, I don’t even want to bother playing those tedious Lunatic modes of any Grand Hero Battles, ever again.
So, I’m giving these Lunatic Grand Hero Battles a middle finger salute, f*** Lunatic Grand Hero Battles, f*** it.
Maybe for you, because you obviously used all 5-Star level 40 characters, while mine are all 4-Star characters who aren’t level 40 and still weak, lucky cheating punk!
You’ve already been presented with a video of someone beating this GHB with purely free 3-star units of level 40. That’s proof that, so long as you put in the time and effort to grind some units up to level 40, and build your team with some care, you most definitely stand a chance in these GHB’s. Doesn’t mean it’s easy, of course, but at some point you have to stop blaming the game’s design and your poor luck, because even that can be overcome.
I beat it using just 4-star Units that weren’t 40 – Roy(34), who as far as I can tell got BADLY shafted in the overall stat department(the level took me about six tries because he kept getting slaughtered on defense), Sakura(36), who isn’t the most tanky healer nor the best attacker for her weapon type, Palla(30), who’s ok at 4-Star I guess, and Kagero(26), who only managed to not die because extra damage against infantry Units for those close shave kills. I would recommend abusing the Inherit Skill option together with the Training Tower for future Grand Hero Battles. I do feel your pain, though, this is the very first Grand Hero Battle I’ve been able to beat, period – I got wiped out against all the others, in part because I still haven’t pulled even a halfway-decent Blue Unit and in part because all my good pulls only happened in like the past couple days.
How was I being rude??? I literally just asked this person if they’ve attempted the GHB or not, as the opening comment implied they did not, but you really draw conclusions on it without having actually tried it. I’m seriously confused why I’m being accused of rudeness.
So then give him the tips if you knew his statement implied he didn’t complete it. No use in leaving a vauge response, that can be interpreted in multiple ways. Personally, I saw that comment as snarky… I should probably stop being a pessimist though…
Yea, online its sort of hard to tell peoples actual meaning with any sentence, but reading over, I definitely see your first comment as having little to no snark. Lol, I hate misunderstandings…
I don’t know what you meant by cheating, just look at the video and redo the same strategy, it will work..
He just upgraded his two Olivia (the 1* and the 2*) to get two 3* Olivia.
Plus, if you’re considering using 2 dancer is “cheating”, he did it with another team, and this one does only use 1 Olivia.
The only troll I see is you, childish troll. Nothing you can do can convince me to suffer playing Lunatic Grand Hero Battles. You failed, childish troll, Lunatic Grand Hero Battles are hard AF, and you know it. Ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck losing in the Voting Gauntlet.
For the Whitewings!
…hahahahahahano – I’ll be fighting for Palla, but my hopes aren’t super high for her team. I mean, she has to beat Minerva? Really? And then she’ll have to do better than Beruka, Cherche, and CAMILLA?! Unfortunately, I don’t see how she’ll be able to do better than such fan-favs…but meh. I just binge-read Hasha no Tsurugi, so…can’t know unless we try!
Joined Minerva’s army probably do well until the final were she’ll probably lose to Camilla but Minerva is my favorite of the bunch so it is her banner I wave.
That makes sense. But take a look at the Whitewing sisters. They’re related, so…
Totally possible for Clive and Clair’s parents to have either blond or red (or blue) hair, btw.
As far as genetics go in early Fire Emblem titles, there really wasn’t much of a reason to change her hair color.
I can’t help but appreciate the aesthetic of the character designs in this game, generally being more grounded and modest, especially after some of the designs the more recent games have been putting out. Granted, Fire Emblem has never been terribly much a stranger to characters in questionable attire here and there, but some of the outfits of characters in Awakening and Fates especially were just kind of ridiculous.
If the pattern is still up, she can very well do the character designs of the next remake of fire emblem! I hope they can remade shadow dragon/mystery of the emblem with a better story, focus on certain characters,etc!
I don’t think we need yet another FE1+3 any time soon. And the wish for better story might not be possible at the moment considering their horrible track record for the past two games. Hopefully Echoes’s story is done well enough.
I believe he will be better … or equal to luciana (sword) and hector (ax). To be honest, at the beginning of the game I only tried to get a 5-star team, after I got it! I’m saving orbs for characters of path of radiance and radiant dawn. (150 orbs now)
Equal more likely. Given how he is in the games, he’ll be a hard hitter with slow movement. Meaning he’s likely to get doubled easily, but he can still tank some blows.
What games are you talking about? If anything, he’s more of a speed unit in Path of Radiance. You sure you’ve played any on Ike’s games? He’s not like he was in Smash and Fates.
Given that we have two different incarnations of Ike, one from PoR and one from RD, and that both will be in the game eventually, I do think PoR Ike will be represented with more balanced stats, with a slight bias towards speed. PoR Ike is actually an exceptionally well-rounded unit. HP and Magic aside for fairly obvious reasons, his stat growths come in at about 45% across the board, and never deviate more than 10% from it; Luck sitting at 35% growth, and Speed at 55%.
Radiant Dawn Ike, though, yeah, he’ll probably be the slow powerhouse type. He’s only got 35% speed growth in that game, though he maintains most of the rest of his growths. Also lower resistance. RD Ike’s Res growth (15%) is pretty poor, compared to PoR’s 40%.
Of course I haven’t. The games are expensive and hard to find. I watched the gameplays instead. I was thinking more on the latter games and Radiant Dawn since that was the last Ike I saw. Since its unlike we’ll get two versions of Ike, we might get the Path of Radiance Ike, since he was the most popular voted male character.
I’m thinking it’s going to depend greatly on the traits of Ike’s weapon. I mean, he’s almost definitely going to end with the Ragnell, which had two effects in PoR. +5 Defense, and the ability to fight at range. I highly doubt they’d make both inherent to the Ragnell at the same time, though if they give him one, I can see them also give him Distant Counter or Def+3 to reflect whatever trait they don’t give the Ragnell.
Best news of the month for me. At that moment I am 150 orb, now reserved for Ike
(Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance – My first and best game I played in the series fire emblem)
Agreed with all points usually bout once a year I still go an play PoR, such a good game. Just hoping Soren, Jill, and Nephenee are in the first wave of Tellius characters.
After Summer that sucks wish all 4 special costumes were sooner oh well at least those looking foward to Ike will like the news I want Micaiah waaaaay more before him!
Yes! About time! And with Ike coming, I think it’s safe to assume that he’ll bring some friends along (and maybe enemies?) as well. Some Greil mercenaries, perhaps? Not holding my breath for Laguz just yet, though I definitely would like to see some of those as well (and I’m very curious how they plan on implementing them whenever they are going to cross that bridge).
It’s odd. These comments are all on the character designs, while here I am wonder why the heck Celica is a ghost. I’ll admit I don’t know Gaiden’s story to the fullest, but what is going on there?
Game is looking less crappy the more I see it. I’m not a fan of the game mechanics of Gaiden nor do I want them to keep going in that direction after this game, but in the context of just this game I think I can bear with it. I really hope we get a return to form in terms of Radiant Dawn gameplay some day. Or if they decide to remake 4 and 5, I would hope they retain as much of the gameplay there as possible, and not infect it with the new age FE carp.
AAAAUGH I COMPLETELY FORGOT THE VOTING GAUNTLET NOOO PALLA WHY?!
Oh look, the Mistress of Fanservice won…was there any reason we even needed to HAVE more than one round? We should have just put “Camilla” and “Everyone Else” and watched what happened…except Camilla still would have won.
Omega here on Disqus thought Cordelia could feasbily win.
I tried to warn the fella.
I know they include over rated popular units so people will participate
But, kina ruins the entire idea of suspense in the voting gauntlet when someones dominating and everyone joins them to win feathers
Actually I do think that the most profitable choice is to choose the one that will go to final, but will lose.
You would get the 500 victory feathers for the first two rounds, and a better local ranking as you have less competition.
In my case, I chosed Minerva:
First round (100 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Second round (500 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Final round (all flags used: ranked top 5k): 3100 + 0
Overall ranking (top 50k): 1600
Which leads me to 8600 feathers
I have some friends that used the same amount of feather in last round in Camilla’s team, they ended up ranked top 30k, which gives you 2300 feathers + 500 for victory.
Of course, if you play very casually (not earning all flags each round, and not use them all), Camilla is easy 1500 feathers.
But if you try to maximize your profit, finding the 2nd place is the best I think, which is was not an obvious choice at all, as they put Cordelia in the same side as Camilla.
I chosed Ephraim last gauntlet and ended up with 7k feathers as well (but I didn’t played well because of the very tight match vs Chrom)
Or you can be a freak like me (Moosey) vote every half hour without sleep, miss only one or two because your sleep deprived brain forgets, and earn something like 10K feathers 1.5k for the first two rounds, and 7k for the final.
So you basically tried to not sleep during the whole week or only for the third round? As you got also the 3k feather from being top 1k overall I guess you also did fully vote during round 1 and 2. :[
I wonder if you can score better with Minerva with the same insane strategy (I do think you can be ranked with no flags for round 1 if you don’t miss any single game..)
Yeah, I thought it might have been possible for Cordelia to win, but I guess the token fanservice lady does stand out on top. I only went for Camilla in the end because of a coin toss. I actually went through this tournament style, flipping a coin for each one. The final two were Camilla and Palla. Camilla got the lucky Tails.
I always hate tournaments like these because I can’t help but love the characters that won’t win – last time I went with Eirika so that obviously didn’t end so well, and this time was worse – I can’t help it, Palla’s Heroes design is adorable.
Not a freaking shock this round was so badly made it hurts expect the same results for every singular popular character inserted in these that’s why I don’t take these contests seriously…the first round is obviously the best one and the winner was justifiable and more logical why.
I meant that its only the first two rounds where we usually find real competition and stakes are more interesting. First Gauntlet had the epic battle between Ephraim and Chrom in Round 2. This Gauntlet likely had some nice fights with other characters if they weren’t Camilla.
Of course Camilla won, as expected, and it so happens that I voted for her. Victory is ours, fellow Camilla fans! For the glory of her boo-I mean…for the glory of the Nohr Empire! Yeah, that’s better.
I chose Camilla from the start. No surprise she won. Best thing about it was that the Wyvern Rider pull netted me a 5-star Minerva. Heck yes! Plus with more Great Badges, I’ll have what I need to make a 4-star into a 5-star… finally.
Oh look, boobs won…I’ll never understand why anyone LIKES big boobs…Really just sucks Hinoka (I love her so much) was paired with Camilla first round, really killed it for me >.>
Well, we can see this new focus will be Alm’s group focus, so I am waiting for Celica’s group Focus banner in the future. Maybe in May, near the US release date of the game.
They are probably saving her for the banner immediately after. Don’t forget they need to accommodate Echoes releasing a month later in the West. Meanwhile in Japan, most people will have finished Echoes by then, but the game (and waifus) will be fresh in their minds.
If you noticed, this focus banner have only Alm’s path units and the
Paralogue is called “World of Shadows”. Probably in a near future we
will see a Celica’s path units Focus Banner, with a “Return to World of
Shadows” Paralogue.
Man, it’s a bummer Gaiden has no playable axe units, because if there’s anything I’m really in need of, it’s Green-type units. I don’t really have need of more swords (especially) and lances. Bows… maybe. I do want them, but I feel like I’d just be throwing my orbs away.
Well, now that I have Spring Camilla and Spring Xander, I guess it’s impossible for me to get the rest of the Spring characters. I might as well save those orbs for Alm and the rest of the characters from Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes, probably, maybe.
In Echoes, the Archer class is exclusive to male characters. So… Faye being a archer is strange… She can only be a Cavalier, a Mage, a Pegasus Knight or a Cleric.
I’m more questioning why Zeke, aka Camus, has Gravidus on him. He lost that in Archanea after being defeated by Marth. So why would Zeke have the same weapon that’s legendary and only 1 exists? Don’t tell me some ancient person make a duplicate one as well. :/
I was asking myself the same question… I was pretty sure Hardin kept it? Maybe the artwork is not consistent with the game (but if Gradivus actually appears as an item, a new canon explanation may be needed).
You think they should make a remake of Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem? I do hope so. If possible, i would like it with characters designs done by Hidari, a similar gameplay and a better story for the sake of Archanea’s saga completion!
I know, I know, I’m just saying that these remakes deserve a little of love, after all, they didn’t do very well during their releases, even FE12 wasn’t localized! It’s just for a chance to make the entry that gave birth to Marth a better one!
That is true. Shadow Dragon had the weakest gameplay EVER. Like, seriously. Not only that, but there were no real base conversations or support until FE12, and that game was declining in sales that made Awakening be the final game until Awakening brought back the franchise.
That’s what I’m talking about, actually it can even be a remake of FE3 with book 1 and 2 on it with major focus on multiple characters, like abel, cain, even tiki and her status as a divine dragon! More importantly, we have to consider this: Intelligent System follows a certain pattern, since Hidari was selected for the design of Echoes it would be fitting to put it on FE3/FE11/FE12 since they’re all related!
Actually, rather than make a remake of a remake, why not make a remake of Genealogy, the sacred story of Fire Emblem history that fanboys have shrines built on. Or better yet, the Elibe series. Or even try to maybe continue a story with Magvel.
We all want it, as do I, I was giving an example like FE Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, they’re related, have a similar if not the same gameplay and the same character designer!
I agree with pretty much everything said above. The more remakes, the better, I guess! (As for the Gradivus thing, I didn’t even know it was in Gaiden, so I apologize for my ignorance.)
If the opportunity rises, I want them to complete the whole Archanea saga, after all, a remake of a remake is still possible since Pokemon does it everytime. You know: Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire and the enhanced remake Pokemon Emerald AND Pokemon ORAS!
If IS wants money, yes. A proper remake and re-telling of Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem. It’s also the perfect excuse for them to make FE series amiibo of Marth, Caeda, Kris and Tiki. It could also try to tie in more stuff with Awakening.
I’m sorry, but the way DLC has been handled over the past few games… I don’t like it. I really, really don’t like it. And this game is just doing the exact same thing. It’s so formulaic, it hurts.
Completely agree. Its so frustrating. At least this time there aren’t a bunch of the strongest classes locked behind expensive DLC. IMHO DLC should only have some maps for grinding and fan service. Specialty classes and challenging late-game maps should be in the main game.
A $15 eShop card says we’ll never get the Series 4 maps worldwide. I mean, I’m glad it looks like they’ll finally be recognizing Cipher, and I hope you can recruit Emma, Shade, Yuzu and/or Lando, but really, what are the chances they’ll give these four characters that, knowing Nintendo, will be treated as though the rest of the world doesn’t even know exists to all of us? We never got the Bond Festivals for Fates, and they’re already moving on to Echoes so I doubt we ever will get them. I’m desperately hoping I’m wrong and they’ll use Echoes to test the waters for the Ø Characters to see if the TCG will take off worldwide, but I doubt it.
I still want to get the Fire Emblem Cipher game translated. I know it probably won’t happen, but seriously. With the fact that we have Animal Crossing Amiibo Cards – I’d be satisfied if we simply got card versions that react with the N3DS Scanners of each character.
Yeah, I’ve been desperately hoping for it for at least a year now. Really, I’m luckier than most non-Japan-based players – I happen to live in the vicinity of a small group of FE diehard fans who are also into the card game, so we can get together and play every week. It’s fun, and I both feel really sad for the people who want to play it with people they know but can’t and really really REALLY wish for #WorldWideCipher.
Probably because Female Robin is more of an afterthought character.
Male Robin got the large majority of advertising for both Fates and Smash, while both genders of Corrin were advertised pretty well, especially with the whole Male Corrin for Birthright and Female Corrin for Conquest thing.
In other words, I highly doubt Female Robin will get an amiibo.
Now I wonder IF they do summon characters like Fates (actual units) in the next game I wonder how each Corrin would be like if there’s any change in personality at all.
Chapter 9 Revelations was painful. They give you all these characters and almost all of them are worthless. That route desperately needed some stat changes.
I don’t think that goes for the entirety of Fates. Some exceptions aside, I think Birthright and Conquest are rather well-balanced for what they set out to accomplish. Revelation, though… Oh boy, now that’s a mess. There’s no defending that.
Birthright’s okay other than a few outliers like Ryoma being a god and Rinkah being bench juice. The biggest problem I remember in Conquest is how late Benny and Charlotte join, compared to their starting levels.
The localization issues and so called “censorship” in Fates weren’t as bad as people make them out to be, although there were some REALLY stupid decisions made in the process.
Not surprising that the Fates-Hate is still going on around here…. (don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Fates, I just don’t bring it up at every available chance I get like some people).
Because face it people, ANYTHING is basically better than Fates writing. Like some of your concerns are so freaking obviously answered. Like still seeing people concerned that this is going to be separate games when it is obvious its all in one game. Seeing people just hoping that the characters and story aren’t as bad as fates, which is obvious anything will trump fates. Hell, a good way to know is that in Echoes the supports are mostly platonic and limited. While I did kind of hope that more people could talk to each other that aren’t directly related to one-another, it at least makes room for better written supports. Like how Valbar and his 2 crew can only support with each other.
In short, people are really beating the clearly dead horse with a stick still. Like at this point its past dead, the skull that is Fates is just being pulverized into mush instead of burying the damn thing.
Eh, I guess I could stop bitching about that game. I guess people find it hard to let go of considering it was easily the biggest disappointment the franchise had to offer, but a dead horse nonetheless.
We’ll probably all forget about it once Shadows of Valentia comes out.
“Like still seeing people concerned that this is going to be separate games when it is obvious its all in one game.”
Do people seriously think this? Bet they’re the ones who are unaware it’s a remake too. Like jfc I agree it was a bit of a cash grab, but they charged you 50% off the alternate route; which is a full game. They handled it pretty decently. They really shot themselves in the foot with the limited edition being a thing though. Which costs basically just as much as all the games combined (granted you have to buy them the intended way) anyway.
Not surprising you can see the faithfulness, new features and love put into this remake makes me even more excited for how good FE Switch could potentially be if they keep this momentum!
Im hyped for this game. I really liked Awakening and Fates, so im looking foward for the remake of a cult game that never was available for us westerns
The good news is I got Faye. The bad news is I didn’t get Alm. The other bad news is…Faye is weak! I mean, a bow where neither the player nor the enemy can counterattack?! They made her weak, dammit! Why?! Why did they made Faye weak?!
The weapon is really good! But… Faye is not… Sounds like great inheritance material to me. I’m sure some other Bow-unit could make that weapon effective somehow.
Alternatively, Bow Experience 3 is also nice. Lets you train Bow units much more quickly, so that’s a neat long-term investment right there.
Personally, I’d have rather had that than Clair, who I got…
Actually, with all the Skill inheritance things and the need of SP, I would rather train my unit as slowly as possible now..
In the training tower, you are guaranteed to earn 3SP whenever you kill an unit that is stronger than you, or at most 5 levels under you. Below this, it is not guaranteed and the odds are decreasing with levels (to 0% when 10 levels below).
As a consequence, it is easier to gather a lot of SP during your first levels (1-35),it’s better not to rush into higher level ennemies as they will give you a lot of xp (“waste” of potential SP/stamina).
Now, I only train in stratum that are weaker than my unit (by at most 5 levels): My Clair managed to get all her skills + Moonbow + GoadFliers when she just got to level 40.
This is especially crucial for your 5* units that are not that OP, as you will probably struggle in the Lunatic level, once they’re 40.
Plus, with the Hero Merits, you’re also earning feather more efficiently.
Of course, if you’re grinding from 4* or 3* this is not a problem.
Concerning Clair, I was kind of disappointed at first, but only 1 Palla 4* is needed to make her very useful: Moonbow + GoadFlier, as she already has Spur Speed lvl 3.
I was training her with Palla + Dancer, and she was nearly OHKO every units, plus with her unique B passive, you can reposition her directly next to Olivia for next turn, or escape from danger zone, which is really fun
Yeah, mine is +HP/-Res, which really only serve to limit my options (+HP puts her at 41 HP, so there goes Ardent Sacrifice + Vantage/Desperation combos. And -Res nerfs possible Iceberg/Glacies, which are otherwise not bad options for her). Your suggestion seems like a decent one, though I’m wondering if I can really justify using her over other Lance fliers, who I could build just the same way to potentially greater effect. That said, I have her as a 5*, might as well try to find a way to use her somehow.
If you put your unit in a decent team, I don’t find it difficult to grind a unit’s SP. I ran some Lunatic levels earlier to raise my (+Atk/-Def) Ninian’s SP and that went just fine. Ninian’s not the greatest combat unit to begin with, but I have her on a team full of units who can buff, as well as just hit hard, so she’s supported pretty well.
On another note, you gain more Hero Merit at higher levels, so I’m not sure slowing down on the level ups is really more efficient.
Every new news I hear about this game makes me really happy. From the forging system to the expanded provision items, I see IS REALLY putting effort into polishing this coal into a diamond. Can’t wait to see it for myself
Shit-tier luck on my summon. Didn’t get a single one.
I don’t really need any more sword users, but Alm’s skill looks so fucking broken that it ain’t even funny. If I understand it correctly, it basically translates into: attack basically anyone and be totally safe.
Got 2 Alm’s and a Lukas kinda wanted a Faye if only to give her bow to my main bow user. Considered giving Lukas’s ability to my tank but since its Hector I don’t want to lose Distant Counter. Am seriously considering sacrificing one of my Alms to give my Lucina Windsweep figure it would be a good combo with her natural Defiant Spd. Anyone care to give a second opinion? I would rather not waste an 5 star if there is a glaring problem with the idea.
Don’t forget that if you’re giving it to Lucina, it also means no follow-up attack for her. So it may be useful in some specific cases where the opponent can kill you during the counter (Nowi, blue tanky units), but you’re loosing a lot of OHKO situation I think.
And with Defiant Spd, Lucina reaches an average of 43 in Spd, which allows her to nearly double everyone.
I would rather give Desperation to Lucina, which is complementary with her Defiant Spd.
Windsweep is useful in cases where you’re only slightly faster than your opponent, as you only need +1 speed instead of +5, AND you’re not supposed to OHKO the opponent (which otherwise kills the purpose).
Basically, you’re giving Lucina a support function to damage a unit safely before killing it with another unit or from a dance.
While writing this, I really think IS released this skill as a check to Distant Counter Hector haha.
“Don’t forget that if you’re giving it to Lucina, it also means no follow-up attack for her”
See? GLARING problem. I misinterpreted the description so I missed the “no longer gets 2 attacks” thing. Just a prime example of why I sometimes need another set of eyes on this. Thank you for pointing this out before I merged them. And thanks for the advice for desperation I’ve seen it before but haven’t really looked at it since I don’t use any of the 3 people that have it, looks like it will be a good fit. And yeah Windsweep will definitely screw over a lot of Hectors. On a slightly separate note any recommendation on special moves for Nowi? Im between Dragon Fang or Glacies. Already gave her Swordbreaker doesn’t help against Julia but should keep all 4 Falchion users in check.
Nowi has better Defense than Resistance, so if you have the option available, Ignis is strictly superior to Glacies. Ignis and Glacies are similar, but Ignis runs off the unit’s Defense stat rather than their Resistance, so it’ll yield more of a damage bonus.
Thought FemRobin was the only one that had that but apparently so does Henry so I just sacrificed him to give her that. Thanks for taking a little time to give me advice. I’m usually pretty casual but getting harder to get a streak of 7 in the arena figure I try to min-max my arena team so I have a slightly better shot.
Pretty boring stuff, quests can be done in a day, but I suppose this is incentive again to train Flying units, and hey, I can’t complain about essentially free orbs. They ask full-flier teams on occasion, so might as well have some trained units available. Already had Michalis and Palla to 4* level 40 prior, and a decently trained Subaki and Cordelia too, so that makes things pretty easy for me.
Seeing this, I think it’s safe to assume a set of Cavalry Mastery quests and Armour Mastery quests are coming in the near future as well. Once I’m fully done with the fliers, I suppose I should get on those.
Okay, anyone figure out why one of the tasks that says beat 5-2 with Red Tome user doesn’t work? I’ve done it twice now and it doesn’t give me my reward.
Zephiel is a Armored-Sword user. Probably we will see a Blue Tome user and/or a Armorslayer user in his Banner. Zephiel have very low speed and a low Res (In 9-2 Lunatic mission, He have: HP 57, ATK 52, DEF 39, SPD 17, RES 25).
Ah, true! What I’m really hoping for is that they feature a character as his “antagonist”, hopefully being Lilina. She’s my favorite FE mage and I sadly haven’t pulled her yet. Characters like Linde would be incredible too, though.
There are 3 type of weapons good against armored units: Armorslayer (Ceada, Hana, Selena), Heavy Spear (Est, Florina, Oboro) and Hammer (Bartre, Cherche, Frederick).
One thing I noticed is that they always (since Ursula, anyway) include a unit who’s closely tied to the GHB character in some way. With Ursula, there was Nino. With Michalis, there was Minerva. And with Navarre, there was Caeda. I haven’t played Binding Blade, I don’t know the details of what goes on in that game, though from bits I’ve seen I want to say that Cecilia might be a candidate.
They also seem to like to throw in a statistical hard-counter and/or a unit that deals effective damage to the GHB character in question. Who knows what that’ll entail, though.
Exactly. Which means prime candidates for that role this time are Roy, Lilina, Cecilia, or quite possibly Hector. Most likely the former two over the latter two, since we just got a free Cecilia and Hector is well…Hector.
I am hoping for Lilina, because both Roy and Hector do not have any chance against Zaphiel. Cecilia … hm, maybe … And about Cecilia being a free character … Felicia is one of the daily heroes battles, but she already appears in a focus banner. Oh, and we can see repeated heroes, because Effie already appeared to Focus Banner twice.
If you’re wondering why it hasn’t been leaked yet, changes have been made to the game’s data structure and that’s making datamining more difficult. Eventually it will be cracked, but in the meantime, this might be the first focus banner in a while to actually be a surprise. 🙂
That is exactly what I was wondering haha, hopefully we get more orb quests like those Lunatic challenges soon. Because my pool is quite dry after going for Alm. :/
Nice, didn’t have Catria yet, and she seems rather decent (and if not, Luna is good for inheritance). I also don’t mind having another Moonbow from Palla to distribute. Est sadly doesn’t seem to come with much of anything particularly exciting…
Zephiel. That’s… a lot of HP. 78? Sheesh. And with Wary Fighter… sounds like a pain. Having said that, the map itself doesn’t look too complicated. Bait out the mages first with high Res units (with the proper positioning, I think you can do so while still staying out of reach of the armours) and kill them ASAP, then pelt the knights with strong mages. But it’s gonna depend a lot on the details.
I got a +Attack Est a while ago and gave her a Sapphire Lance and Swordbreaker. She now absolutely decimates any swordusers (and most reds in general) and is a decent Res tank to boot.
Oh, I’m not saying that she does that any better than other lancers- just that with the proper set-up, she’s surprisingly viable. At 4 stars and +Attack, she sports 36 base attack. At 5 star, she’s on par with Ephraim. Her speed is decent, she has good res, and she has flier mobility.
Basically, I’ve been filling the time just trying out bottom-tier characters to see how good I can make them. Did a few deathless runs in Arena with this Est. Currently working on a Hinata and Beruka.
Honestly… the map looks easy? A mage killer, a powerfull mage, a hero with a weapon strong against armored units and a dancer. This will be my team. Maybe two mages…
In the screenshot, we can see he is a 5-Stars Lv 40 Armored unit, with HP 78, ATK 57, SPD 21, DEF 34 and RES 20.
And Zephiel himself comes equipped with:
Eckesachs (Mt 16, Rg 1): Inflicts Def-4 on foes within 2 spaces through their next actions at the start of each turn.
Reprisal: Grants bonus to damage dealt equal to 30% of damage suffered.
Life and Death 3: Grants Atk/Spd+5. Inflicts Def/Res-5.
Wary Fighter 3: Prevents follow-up attacks in combat from unit and foes if unit’s HP ≥ 50%.
Honestly, he looks to be a good unit.I do not have many armored units, so he is welcome in my team.
Zephiel will have 78 HP?! OH, HELL NO! This is just another Lunatic Grand Hero Battle that I can never beat! I could beat him on Hard mode, but there’s no way in hell I would even try to beat Lunatic mode, absolutely not!
Pfft, that’s nothing. This Zephiel on Grand Hero Battle has got to be the hardest one to beat, and with only 78 HP and the most powerful skills in the entire game, now that’s tough, even tougher than that Masked Man, Xander, and Veronica.
I don’t know what you have trained up, but from what I’ve seen, dancers and skills like draw back and drag back are exceptionally abusable here, in combination with a decent magic user or two. Remember, Armour Knights only have a movement range of 1, and combined with a lack of a ranged (counter)attack, that’s a fairly exploitable weakness. If you need any inspiration, I’ve already found a couple of videos on youtube, tackling the GHB with a team of F2P 3* units. If you’ve trained any decent magic units at all, you’ve probably got a decent shot at this one.
Ah hell. I can handle the Hard one just fine but Lunatic’s a dang nightmare. I’ll past. As for the Pegasus sisters, I can grind and train them so they can handle it all while making them four stars… unless I have four stars already.
Maybe we could kill the blue mage with F Robin, then push back with someone, and then bait the other mage to finish him off. Probably going to need two tanks, They only have one green unit, so a blue tank is recomended… They also dont have an archer, Fliers can come here with no fear. We should be aware the Armors use brave weapons.
I am thinking to use 2 mages (Ursula and Camilla, or Lucina and Camilla), a dancer and a healer. I will use Camilla to defeat the blue mage, and use my dancer to move Camilla to not get attacked by Zephiel. Then, I will end my turn and wait the enemies move to see what I will do next.
such a focus on fliers as of late is getting to the point I have almost all flyers to the mid 30s. On a similar note who do you think would be the first staff flyer if they ever make one? My money is on Elincia but I guess Sumia could be it too.
I feel like our first staff flier will come from a variation on an (at that point) existing unit, just as they did with the Easter units. At that point, units like Elincia and Sumia do indeed seem the most obvious choices, but I think we won’t get staff-wielding versions of them before we get their (more standard) weapon-wielding versions. After all, Sumia starts as a plain old Pegasus Knight, only with access to lances, and Elincia even has a signature weapon in the Amiti.
was debating that especially since of Amiti, but Palla and Caeda both start with swords to diversify them from all the lance pegasus knights and while alternate costumes is a obvious choice to give us a flying healer, I was thinking as a primary. Honestly I’m not sure how many people will get them and what changes the character will have, I definitely didn’t see a blue tome Lucina coming. Here’s hoping to a Urvan wielding Ike tho.
They almost have to give us an Urvan-wielding Ike. For one, we’re gonna get an alternate costume Ike. For two, we have both PoR Ike, AND RD Ike, and they’ve gotta diversify them somehow. Might as well stick the Urvan on RD Ike.
I’m thinking either it’s 4th Tier classes, as in reach a certain level with Gold Knight and access Lance Knight – though I doubt it’s actually named that. Noble Queen and Grand Conqueror are definitely DLC 3rd Tiers for Celica and Alm. No doubt.
Well, if we don’t get the Series 4 maps like I’m betting we won’t(but desperately hoping we will), let’s at least hope they have good VAs so they at least sound cool.
Quite an easy GHB if you have the right kinds of units. I’m surprised on the banner, though. Not a single Binding Blade unit on there. That surprises me. They could’ve even put in a Blazing Blade character, but they didn’t do that, either. Usually they include someone closely related to the GHB unit, but not this time.
On another note, I got Nowi on the first summon, and I’m quite happy with that. Neutral nature, too, can’t go wrong with that.
Oh look, DLC for grinding, DLC for new exclusive content like unit classes, and I presume it’s all ‘sharply’ priced, of course. Probably also some story elements or character background locked behind a few… The game only just released in Japan, and they’ve already got this much extra paid content planned for release. It’s so formulaic, so predictable.
I’m gonna keep saying it, I don’t care for this business model at all. I think it’s awful, and most of this honestly sounds like it should just be post-game content, already in the game, instead of being locked behind a paywall. In contrast to my usual outlook on these things, and my desire to believe in the goodwill of the developers and the company behind it, after Fates especially, I don’t trust Intelligent Systems on their execution of DLC at all. DLC has become a goal in itself as a means of making more money, more so than actually expanding the game experience, and it bothers me greatly.
In the case of Story elements I completely agree with you, I can deal without extra classes and maps but the full story should be there and not locked behind a paywall.
It was a easy Grand Hero Battle, but still harder than Navarre’s GHB. The difficult part of this battle are the mages. If you allow the mages to use the special attack, you can have some problems… And Zephiel is a good unit.
Now, for the focus banner… I got surprised…
My Zephiel’s 3* and 4* stats:
Stats | 3* | 4*
HP | 24 | 24
ATK | 14 | 15
SPD | 2 | 2
DEF | 11 | 12
RES | 4 | 4
(Stats with Iron Sword equipped)
Hm… It is a little strange… hahaha. I am thinking to use my 3* Zephiel. Maybe if I promote him to 4* he will better stats (and more SP, of course).
They’ll turn out exactly the same. This game has stat differentiation similar to ‘natures’ in Pokémon, if you’re familiar with that, but that’s the only inherent stat differentiation you’ll find in this game between multiples of the same unit. And units obtained through means other than summoning ALWAYS have neutral stat distributions.
In short, it doesn’t matter if a unit is a certain rank naturally or through promotion, said unit will turn out just the same. You may as well train the 4* Zephiel and save yourself the trouble (and feathers!).
Thanks for the advice, but yes… I checked his stats before decide what Zephiel to train. 3* and 4* have similar stats, but I trained my 3* to get more SP, because I gave him some new skills. Wings of Mercy is one of the skill.
I’m not gonna tell you what to do… but replacing Wary Fighter on an Armour unit that is so slow, yet so tanky just seems outrageous to me. It’s a big part of what I think makes Zephiel such a great unit.
I struggled with the 3* Navarre GHB (I didn’t have a big selection of appropriately leveled units), but managed to beat it right before the deadline. Looking forward to trying this one when I have some free time.
I was rather surprised that it wasn’t as difficult as the previous Grand Battles. I haven’t won any of the previous ones, but did end up winning this one.
took me a few tries tbh it came down to one my 4th attempt he did something else different from the previous 3 and it made it a cakewalk Swordbreaker Nowi destroyed Zephiel once she could actually get to him.
At long last, after all these weeks, I have finally beaten the Lunatic Grand Hero Battle, 4-Star Zephiel is MINE! You all thought I couldn’t do it, but for the first time in my life, I’ve beaten Zephiel (who had 78 HP) on Lunatic mode with 4 of my 5-Star characters: Lucina, Reinhardt, Ninian, and Spring Camilla! I have finally conquered it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Loving the voice work so far, I kinda wish we got to see Fernand say stuff too but I guess that’ll have to wait until the game actually comes out. Can’t wait.
I wonder how new fans will react to how different this game is, hopefully for the better.
We wouldn’t want IntSys getting turned off of remakes, or we might never get that much needed Genealogy Remake.
Echoes: SOV is also the newest highest scoring FE game in Famitsu history. It literally went from worst to first. The original Gaiden only got 28/40. Now it got 37/40. It’s a new threshold that wasn’t previously achieved.
As someone who got into FE when Awakening came out, Echoes’ mechanics scare me but they also seem much more fun than what Fates/Awakening had in store. I hope my fellow FE13/FE14 starters enjoy it just as much as we enjoyed 13/14. Seeing more remakes in the future would really pique my interest though and I hope IS keeps up this trend.
Glad to see you’re willing to make the leap! I think the entire franchise is good for all of us, we just have some oddballs who think otherwise. 😛 and of course preference is a thing too.
This is a great attitude you’re taking! I understand how the drastically differing gameplay from Awakening and Fates can feel a tad bit uncomfortable for you. But make no mistake, Echoes or SOV is going to be a fantastic addition to the series.
This game is regarded as the black sheep of the franchise, the original, I mean. However, it introduced mechanics that would later be integrated in later FE games such as Sacred Stones with the undead, 3rd tier classes in Radiant Dawn, and limitless weapons in Fates.
I’m playing the original Gaiden right now and I like this game for what it was supposed to be in 1992. And I love seeing the stuff that was referenced in the later games and then imagine how much better it will be in the remake.
With its colorful mechanics and things it tries to do, Echoes is looking to be a colorful gameplay experience that will keep you on your toes and think about how you want to use your units. It’s not about mix and matching like how it mostly was in Awakening in Fates. Rather, it’s more about how you can use a unit’s individual strength to your advantage, which I personally prefer.
I sincerely hope that many people pick up this game. I haven’t been this excited for an FE game since Radiant Dawn in 2007.
As a FE fan since Path Of Radiance, I’m getting some really good vibes here.
Unlike Fates who seemed like Awakening, but only focusing on the characters in a “sim-date way”, I really hope the characters here are a part of a story and not here only for the “Let make kids” thing.
My favorite support conversation still is Jill/Lethe in PoR because of that: the supports are here to help the player to CARE about the characters and not to waifu/husbando them.
Really hope IntSys focus on that!
I’m loving the fact that the game is fully voice acted. It’ll make it harder to simply press the Start Button in cutscenes on repeat playthrough. I love the fact of Gray and Tobin’s friendship brings some background comedy. Certainly better than Blandy McKill-NoOne. And yes – I am calling Corrin that.
Rinean and Berkut are foils to Celica and Alm, showing what could’ve/should’ve been different in that juxtaposition with morals/upbringing/circumstance etc. She’s not Berkut’s armcandy AT ALL, she’s just an adult who has anxiety who’s really modest. “Being nice” isn’t even the salient characteristic of Rinean. With the same wording you used, you could make Berkut’s entire character sound like it revolves around Rinean. I absolutely think more could’ve been done w/her character, but calling her “eye candy” is pretty excessive. At the end of the day, they’re critical to each other’s narratives.
I apologise if it came off as excessive. I have no issues with her character and I definitely don’t think it’s a flaw to be nice or modest, but I feel like her character was really undeveloped. I think she should have just a *little* bit more screen time, but it’s tough considering she’s an addition to an established world. That’s just my opinion anyway.
I was insulted when I heard that like seriously?! She is the only remedy to his insanity they are a dynamic pair such a dumb remark from that reviewer…..
While I understand why the reviewer would get that impression, Berkut and Rinean have a deeper symbolic meaning which does take a bit more analyzation + reading between the lines. The amount of parallels b/w Alm and Celica aren’t SUPER evident with them unless you do some thinking. So no, it’s not that they had a bad opinion, and like I said I do believe Rinean could’ve been handled a little bit better, but it’s just the fact that it takes more analysis, then the reviewer really isn’t at fault here.
I read your post before and this one, and found it very interesting. These analysis’ are good to keep in mind when playing the game in the future (because I haven’t yet).
I did read your comments and I still don’t understand how what the reviewer said is dumb. If the reviewer chose to view Rinean critically, then that is what they chose to do. Obviously, there were issues with her character, regardless of the pair’s intent to create a “deeper symbolic meaning.”
I am not arguing with you on the couple’s meaning specifically, rather, we should take all opinions into account when analyzing characters. This reviewer choose to critically analyze Rinean and there is NOTHING wrong with that. What works for you, might not work for another person. But calling a remark “dumb” is idiotic in itself. Likewise, even if the reviewer learned the information about the couple, they could still hold those same impressions. This doesn’t mean they have a wrong opinion, just an unpopular one.
That’s true. I’m not holding it against you. I simply found it a bit entertaining that you mentioned FE13/14 around 6/7 times, and the context in which you mentioned pair up in the closing remarks made it sound as if it was an undeniably good addition to the series. Other than that I found the review to be pretty good though.
phew, that’s a relief at least. sucks that about lunatic, guess they found it redundant during development.
Your saying its ur Opinion yet u have not heard or played the game, you need to see or hear something before saying its ur Opinion. Your just been one of those anime trolls crying about sub vs dubbed shit again.
Even if that’s the case, there are a myriad of reasons why I’d prefer the Japanese version over the English dub. The English I heard so far didn’t sound as genuine to me, that’s why I dislike it.
I totally respect your opinion, but perhaps you should at least play the game with the voices on for the first few hours or so (assuming you can even turn them off in the first place). If you like them, congrats. If you don’t, then you can turn them off. Unfortunately, we’ve only gotten clips of spoken scenes aside from Mycen and I don’t think that’s enough to criticize the voice acting as a whole. Who knows, you may end up liking it.
Well, you got a point. However, I grew up with FE games not having any voice acting at all and thus have a preference for the characters being silent, allowing me to make my own headcanons for how I interpret the character’s voices being like. I didn’t like the VA in Fates nor Awakening, and the same goes for Heroes. RD is quite forgiveable in that regard. At least FE13 allowed you to choose what audio you wanted, even though I didn’t enjoy the game as a whole.
Since I also watch anime subbed and play a lot of JRPG’s I know about quite a few seiyuu, so I was looking forward to hearing them in Valentia. For example, Alm’s is also 9S from Automata and Clair’s is Pia from RF3. I won’t bore you with further specifications but the majority of them are quite known, to me at least, so it’s a disappointment that I can’t hear them in game. And since I’m not familiar at all with the English actors it won’t leave as much of an impact on me, which is why I’d rather have voices off. On the plus side, that will let me experience Gaiden as it always has been, and with the voices I felt fit the characters back when I first played through it.
Well I’m playing it right now and I can say easily ur just blowing things out to be something there not. All over reddit and youtube people are saying how much they love the english voice acting.
You just remind me of the anime small groups that cry english sucks because it makes you sound cool.
Read my previous response to Chris. The VA is not too bad now that I’m playing it myself, but there is a thing called preference, and I seriously just can’t stand dubs in general, which is why I turned the voices off.
This game is in my top 5 of Fire Emblem games I played faithful with new add ons it definitely shows the love and commitment put into this one it fits in the likes of my favorites being in no order:
1.Genealogy of the Holy War
2.Blazing Sword
3.New Mystery of the Emblem(remake)
4. Radiant Dawn
Honestly, all the so-called “bad” things I’m hearing about Gaiden have only peaked my interest more and more.
The guy on GameXplain actually had an interesting viewpoint regarding the absense of the Weapon Triangle, and I’ve come to agree with it. Now there are more things to consider when going to battle. Just throwing a Mercenary against a group of Brigands ain’t going to save you. You’ll have to pay attention to the terrain, how you use your skills, etc.
All in all, it’s just served to make me more excited for a kind of Fire Emblem that I’ve never experienced before.
Anyone have any idea when they’ll finally get around to releasing Wave 4? I’d love to see a special article for those maps when they come out, considering how low our chances at getting them worldwide are.
Great review! I’m super excited for this myself, this just made me more hyped. Standouts look to be the voice acting and the dungeon crawling, personally.
I did looked at this page, the Mila Statues were actually called “Mila Idols” when I saw in GameXplain’s videos that showed the English version and Rinean is actually localized as Rinean (I did asked the question and NintenDann that did went to the Dutch Comic Con convention said it was officially spelled as “Rinean”).
The thing with those games is that they are already remakes of FE 1 and 3. I would much rather see remakes of the GBA titles or other earlier titles before those got remade a third time.
Alright, neat. I failed to beat the harder difficulty of the Robin-F GHB when that happened. I was not ready to tackle it, and its setup where every space in enemy attack range meant getting attacked by at least 3 enemy units (unless you could KO the right ones), each of different colour. Not fun. I lost someone on the second or third turn every time. Got much better units now, though, so I should be able to do this. I also missed Ursula entirely, so I hope that GHB will get a re-run in the near future as well. And indeed very curious what the rest means as well.
Both Defend Maps and Reinforcement Battles were scheduled to be part of the April updates and push back to later in the month. Although the Tweet doesn’t specifically reference this, the “timed special missions” may actually refer to that. Hopefully we’ll find out soon!
Strange that there are like 5 pages about “story” and “characters” before anything actually important in this review, haha.
But I must say, I haven’t been this excited for a FE game in many years.
I hope this game will bring the series back on track again, that would be great.
This is pretty something. This may give me a chance to get a 3-star robin this time. Though with Navarre, I’m happy. I only hope we get another shot at getting Michalis.
A new chance to defeat Lunatic Female Robin. I will see some images of the map to make a strategy. Ignis is a great special, and if I have another F Robin, I can give Ignis to another unit.
I tried to play Gaiden last year, and while I really enjoyed the different style, I rage quit about a third of the way through, it was just too aggravating. (The NES couldn’t actually do RNG, so FE1 was interesting, but Gaiden felt worse) So I’ll be happy to play a more modern version that still is much the same. ^^ (I also hope that they consider this a good step and stop with the main character avatars….)
I agree with you about the “main character avatars”, I like the robins, but I didn’t like the corrins, I prefer not being “avatars” either, because it suffers by not having much personality and having history of their own being very vague.
Corrin was nice attempt but ended being over the top…
Yeah, I really enjoyed Robin. It was a lot of fun to play as a ‘me’, and while I did have a part in the story, I wasn’t… Everything. Corrin was shoved into every situation, and unlike Robin, who I felt I could connect to, Corrin never felt like a me. Corrin was someone else. Which would’ve been perfectly fine, except they still kept treating them like an avatar, making for vague MC that really hurt the whole character-driven thing.
I also enjoyed the tactician role in Blazing Sword, and wouldn’t mind seeing that in the future. Just a little tiny part, and yet the characters still talk to you.
…. Also, while the amnesia thing worked very well character and story-wise for Robin, it felt forced and rather unnecessary for Corrin…
Looks great! Still do not have a 3ds as fates and Awakening did not seem as enticing as the rest of the series, but I may finally break down and buy one if this game is as great as it looks!
Oh great, Female Robin and Navarre are returning, and I still can’t beat them, especially Female Robin on Hard mode! Why are my team so weak as hell?! WHY?!
I used Marth, Navarre (for the quest), Ursula with Rally Res, and Ephraim. You need a good unit to survive the Lance Knight, the Red Mage and Robin attacks. Ephraim with Rally Res bonus survive all the attack and defeated the Lance Knight. I used Marth to defeat the Blue Mage and the Axe Knight. I almost lost the battle, when Robin attacked Ephraim and he survived with 1HP.
Hahaha, A little bit. But the idea is having a unit with good Def and Res, which can resist the attacks from the mages and knights, and a good support unit with Rally Res. Cecilia have Rally Res and she was a quest unit some days ago. A Dancer can be very useful, and a Healer is also a good unit to have. But be careful with yours Cavalry units, because Robin have Gronwolf.
I’m okay. Ryoma took care of all of them starting with the blue made. Olivia and Nino helped a bunch. The tricky thing will be to beat F!Robin with F!Robin.
Camilla can tank two hits from the red mage if she’s not -HP or -Res. As long as you have someone to kill the red mage, she can then kill/tank the rest for other units to move in.
Camilla, Peri, and Lyn were who I used to beat it the first time, with Sakura healing from distance. (Lyn kills Robin so Peri can run around and slaughter the red mage).
Since Inheritance, Camilla and Eirika are able to handle most of the map, which mean that for the requirements (bring Navarre, have Robin kill herself, etc) that leaves you with a free slot to bring whatever support/dancer/etc. you need. Felicia’s pretty good for that; mage-killer, debuffer, and spot healing.
Oh you have GOT to be kidding me.
Its one thing to make me do this battle again, but now there’s specific requirements like making Navarre or Robin specifically defeat their other self? UGH!
SON OF A B****!! It’s bad enough that I can fight Female Robin and Navarre on Hard and Lunatic modes respectively, but clearing these quests using both Female Robin AND Navarre as requirements in order to get Orbs?! Not only “NO”, but “HELL NO”! So, F*** IT, I’m not gonna bother clearing these asinine quests!
Hmm, completed all of the quests. Julia soloing Robin’s map pretty much. Had to grind 3* Robin to 40 though in order to even deal some damage once defiant res kicked it, she’s gotten too much of my attention already and there is no way am I spending any feathers on that shitty character; in the inheritance bin she goes.
To deal with the Hard mode Robin challenges, I used a Rally Speed user (stars and Lv doesn’t matter), Kagero (mine was 4* Lv40) and Dancer to help out either a Robin/Navare (mine were 4* close to Lv40). A Rally Speed Kagero would eliminate the Axe user and was left with 1 HP after dealing with the Red and Blue Mages (despite being -Spd). The Lance guy and Robin will charge towards you, you can then Rally speed Robin and have her take out both with a dance. With Navare you’ll need Kagero to help with the Lance guy, but the strategy is basically the same.
It took a lot of trial and error and AI manipulation to beat the Navare defeating Navare on Lunatic challenge. I used Olivia (needs a lower Res that Navare, but bulky enough to survive being attacked by the healer), Sheena (5* Lv40), and Kegaro (4* Lv40 +Def/-Res, HP+3 sacred seal equipped), and my Navare was (Atk+1 sacred seal equipped he also needs a 36 Atk, and a 34 Spd minimum; mine was a Lv38 4*). The only character here that someone might not have is the Kagero at that specific build as my Kegaro was left at 3Hp at the end of all of this.
It involved taking out both Ninjas with Kagero (Sheena Fortify Def her) while having Sheena weakening Navare so my Navare can 2 shot him with a dance. Having the Olivia bait the healer to attack her instead of taking out Navare. Finally, Olivia would dance aid Kagero to weaken the Axe guy so Navare could take him out as Sheena takes out the healer.
And is good this banner is coming now, because We will have World of Radiant quests for more Orbs, and in some days will have the May quests, for more Orbs.
SOREN AND IKE SO HYPED!!!!! also saw this after I got off work and thought the article was from the 24th while I was at work so got excited thinking it was already out…..I got bummed fast XD
Wow, my favorite characters from my favorite Fire Emblem just dropped like that. I’m going to try for…well, all of them! Good thing I have at least 25 orbs saved!
I LOVE THE TELLIUS GAMES! I’m gonna dump ALL of my orbs on this focus.
All of my… 16… orbs…
BUT, I’ve still gotta earn the GHB orbs, I’ve still got 4 more to get from the Whitewings quests, there’s gonna be new paralogue chapters (and quests) tomorrow for more orbs, and the end of April is coming up, too, meaning even more potential orbs. I’m gonna try hard at summoning the Greil Mercenaries. They’ve got some sweet-looking skills, too.
Gotta remember to leave the Blue orbs. Those are not really worth anything, and besides, I’ve got plenty of worthwhile 5-star Blues as is.
Nice. Been wanting to get more Female Robins. Far as I can tell, she’s the ONLY unit in the game with Blue Tomebreaker, and Reinhardt has been a problem for me in Arena.
Well, it’s about time they’re gonna release Ike and the others from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (and I better save those Orbs for that), along with a new Story chapter! Wait, does this mean that they’re gonna add Chapter 10, not Paralogue 6 or Xenologue 2?
missed Titania and Mist (so far) but got a single Ike and two Sorens. Kept the one with slightly better speed and little less attack and actually merged them which is super rare for me to do to 5 stars especially if they have good skills on them, but Soren is easily in my overall top 5 favorite FE characters and if I had a spare Takumi I would probably have him inherit close counter. For now I’ll just run a simple +5 hp on him for the A slot and for anyone with a penchant for unit effectiveness is there a better C skill for him than his standard fortify resist or should I go for like savage blow or threaten resist?
C skills are almost entirely dependent on what teammates you plan to use. Depending on how his stats turn out, a Threaten Speed or Res might be of better use.
Thank you,that is what I had figured but its always better to ask someone who probably understands the intricacies of the game better than I do, which is usually everybody XD
Also- Savage Blow is actually pretty risky. The free damage is nice, but if not carefully managed, it can put enemy units into range of defiant skills, Desperation, and Vantage.
So nice, it’s a new story chapter, so there’s 5 new maps, meaning 15 orbs to be gained, and then another 5 from the quests.
I also must voice my appreciation for the level design. THIS is what I want from Heroes. Defense missions and reinforcements, I think it compliments the game well, and it adds a nice new layer of strategy. It also gives a fair bit more reason to use units who are more durable, or units with healing capabilities, especially if you want to clear those quests that demand nobody falls in battle.
I’ve also had one round of summoning, and I’m happy to say I got Titania, which is a good start. Is she good? …Honestly, I’m not sure, but I had already vowed I’d use the Greil Mercenaries whenever they were gonna be introduced in Heroes, provided I could get them and regardless of how good they are. So I’m DEFINITELY using Titania.
I’m no expert but you might be able offset the lower attack with like a silver weapon, I personally find the “gem” weapons, in this case her emerald axe, to be a tad situational so a more versatile weapon could help. However if you want the best new weapon that means you got to sacrifice a 5 star which is sounds like you don’t have a lot of green ones.
Yeah, I definitely do not have that option. Even if I did, with -Atk, Titania sits at 24 Atk before her weapon comes into account. Even with a Silver Axe+, that’s 39 Atk. Honestly, I don’t think I can viably replace her weapon. With that little attack power, I think she’s already doomed to lose duels with other axes, and she wasn’t gonna beat reds to begin with, so at least with the Emerald Axe, she’s gonna beat the blues convincingly.
You could give her something like threaten defense or Luna. This way you can use her tankiness to take the initial hit, and then she can hit them back for better damage. She might prove to be especially useful against someone like Linde with her high resistance and Emerald weapon.
Started the day with 240 orbs. Down to 60 and still no Ike…best I did was a 5-star Soren. Such is my luck, but I’ll level the crap out of him and see what he can do. I’m going to start stocking orbs again until some of the secondary characters from PoR and RD are made available as three and four-star options.
Im unsure if i should try… im, f2p and orbs are just too expensive where i live. i have 220 orbs, but most of the simulations i did i wasnt able to get ike…
Simulations? If there’s a character you want, you should try for him. You are never (especially as f2p) going to be guaranteed to get a specific character. But you definitely won’t draw him by saving your orbs.
I’m f2p, I tend to spend my orbs as I get them. I don’t have a big selection of 5*, but it’s fun to see who you end up with.
Well, you’re not going to let your orbs sit there forever right? Otherwise, there’s no point. 220 is a hefty amount. There’s a chance you won’t get Ike, but right now there’s no better time. Just make sure to roll only for reds.
Another thing is to not roll seeking only a certain character. Accept whatever you get, and grow to love them. Otherwise, you will be disappointed.
Well, Thank you. I was able to get him by trying only red ones, i didnt know that the apearence rate would still go up using this techinique… I also still have 81 orbs saved for future favorite characters(i dont know what i will do with this many Selenas i just got, btw…)
Yeah, it’s great that Ike and the others have finally been added and all, but there’s one problem: I CAN’T SUMMON ANY OF THEM, NOT EVEN IKE! And what’s worse?! I wasted all of my Orbs and I cannot buy them! THIS IS BULLCRAP, BULL…CRAP!!!
My first try. Appeared 2 Blue Orbs, 2 Green Orbs and 1 Colorless Orb. I choose the Green Orb and I got a 3* Beruka. Meh…
I stopped this summoning to try to get some Red Orbs (I want Ike). Second Try appeared 1 Blue, 2 Greens and 2 Colorless Orbs. I choose the Green Orb and I got a 3* Beruka… again… WHAT?!
Well I finally spent my 130 orbs I’d been saving for the day Tellius came out, and I now own Ike and Soren… I was really hoping for Titania, but hell, I’ll take Ike any day! Now I just get to wait forever to see if FE Heroes will ever release Laguz OTL
Hi, the wording is a bit vague, but it means the ability to consume alcohol was probably scrapped (in all versions).
All alcoholic provisions have HP and Fatigue recovery data and a byte that only allows those 20 or above to use it. However, it seems this byte is completely ignored, so they cannot be consumed by anybody.
It’s likely the developers made a last minute change because they felt like it was discriminatory if certain characters couldn’t use those items. At the same time, it was too late to edit out all the alcohol from the game.
Trying to get Ike, Soren, and Titania. Got none of them. However, in my quest for them, I got 3 characters with 5*. Sanaki, Karel… and HECTOR! FUCK YEAH! Makes the whole thing worth it!
But I really do want the above 3 focus characters badly.
Also, anyone else struggling with the quests? They’re pretty tough, especially for the cases where you have to go through survival missions. You pretty much have to use the Light’s Blessings here.
Wait, then what are you referring to? The supports or convos in general? The fact that the character speaking looks at Alm and Celica? I guess it’s annoying in a way, but it’s not too bad I think.
I’m kinda tired and can’t make sense of this, lol.
Oh my gosh
The movies
the ones with Alm fighting Rudolph while Celica is a ghost who can’t touch them
the ones where they got an animation studio in to do it for them
the ones that are usually saved as actual video files in games’ coding
those ones
Nah, so you mean the cutscenes then, no wonder I couldn’t figure it out haha. Well, I still don’t think they’re unbearable, if you disregard the voice acting. There will likely by only five of them at most so it shouldn’t be too much of a hassle to force yourself through them.
And it was all in Japanese. All I got was the new hero battle (Xander) and a new popularity contest with mages. everything else I have an idea but don’t know for sure
Cool that forts are coming. Couldn’t understand everything though, in particular what was shown in the final orb. But it will be revealed soon enough I’d wager.
I’ll do everything in my power to prevent Tharja from winning however.
from what I understand, as I’ve taken almost a year of japanese by now, a new event called Golden Week will be starting tomorrow, where 5 star base summon rates are increased to 5% and a banner with takumi, hector, azura, and ryoma will be released
I just have the opera music from the lottery link playing in the background as I’m doing stuff lol. So basically it boils down to rerolling until you get a character that has a special attack and then choosing the right option to lock it in? I’m assuming its saved when you hit the “Top” Button to go back for when you roll again the next day.
Yep it works got Hector bad nature but with how long it took already created a good Sheena,
PSF if you cant hold the salt just say you summoned a Kagero.
The good news is I got Takumi. The bad news is I didn’t get Ryoma, I ended up getting two 3-Star Hinatas, and they’re both weak and useless! Goddammit!
I wish I got two Hinatas. If nothing else, those make outstanding inheritance fodder, as they get Fury 3 at 4-star. A highly sought-after skill for probably obvious reasons.
Trying to get Hector so I’ve been only rolling green orbs. I managed to get my rate up close to 7% and then they give me 4 blues and 1 colorless….I go for the blue with the intention of backing out and I get a freaking 5 star Azura -_-. FYI I already have an Azura. Went through all my orbs so I’ll just wait until the rate up almost ends to go with the ones I save up from now until then.
Anyone pissed that some of the characters people want badly are coming JUST as we got Ike and the others? Its like we have to choose between Ike or the others. I still need to get Ike, Azura, Takumi, and though I got Hector, you can never have too many Hectors.
I’m on the same boat. I really want Ike and crew, but this banner with top-tier units, at a base appearance rate of 5% is seriously tempting. I really want the mercenaries, but the rational side of me is saying “Ike is bound to make more banner appearances, don’t sweat it and just go for the best odds”… But I want them so bad… I don’t know what to do. I’m at 17 orbs right now, soon it will be plenty to go for another round of summoning, but I am having a hard time deciding what banner I’ll pick.
Doesn’t help that the upcoming Voting Gauntlet also means two banners for that, with the female mage banner in particular just being all solid units (and Linde who’s just straight up top-tier).
EXACTLY. This is literally making me ready to break my bank apart to get all my money into this. Damn you, IS for making this be so painful for me!!! ;-;
Its the entire point in my opinion… They know Ike is the most popular character and that everyone was saving orbs just for him… But once people get him they may lose interest. So they include all the other characters that everyone wants to make them spend orbs not on Ike that way they had a focus for him and he goes into the pool of characters and everyone goes out of their mind spending heaps more money. For the people who did spend all their orbs on Ike they will spend more and more money trying to get the top tier units. I bet you that next week will be a very good summon as well. I think most people underestimate how manipulative this game actually is.
Oh, I see, this “Golden Week” is exclusively for Japanese people who are playing the Japanese version of this game, right? It sucks, doesn’t it? Us, Americans, can’t play Golden Week, obviously.
Only really obvious pick I see is Raigh, given the fact that Xander has poor Res and is a cavalry unit, and Raigh gets a Wolf tome by default, and there’s also a Green-tome Cav. Other than that, though, who knows?
They might also slap in Ryoma, because of his rivalry with Xander, but given that he’s on a banner literally right now, I kinda doubt it.
Yeah, it should be possible to move the voice slider to 0. Good thing ’cause the constant English voice acting is seriously getting on my nerves. For me, it’s either Japanese or nothing, with a preference towards the latter.
Yeah, I mentioned that in the last tidbit about the livestream. Would be cool if it worked in the English versions of the game too, but it’ll be nice to learn what it is at least. 🙂
Did the Xander GHB just this morning. It wasn’t too hard, though it helps that I happened to have good units for the job. I think so long as you have a strong red mage or bow user, a dancer, a lance-slaying unit with Draw Back, and another unit that can beat Xander in a duel reliably (preferably a Blue Dragon), you should be able to beat this GHB fine. I don’t think that’s too demanding.
I managed to beat it with just Sheema, Linde, and Thany. One of the easier ones so far, but I doubt we will get a really difficult one judging by the ones we’ve had.
Is that so? I don’t remember anything like that in Gaiden. There she always turned out being a very good magical unit for me, and less so as a physical one.
Oh, it was the very first time i won a GHB in the first attempt, im not used at winning easy, i dont know what ill do the next days, now… my team was Ike(reposition), Beruka(Full inheritance), Nino(deadweight) and F!Corrin (For an sibling duel). I Just think this battle would be better if theme song was thorn in you.
This is the first arena season where I don’t have any of the bonus units properly trained. Does anyone know what amount of points you need in order to rank up (tier), and if it’s possible to do so without any of the bonus units? I’m guessing it should be possible, but it doesn’t hurt to ask.
Yeah, I know that much. The only one I really have is Zephiel, and I don’t feel like putting down the time needed to grind him to 40, which is why I figured I could spend that time going for a 7 advanced streak without any bonus units instead. But idk.
You can just take lvl1 Zephiel with you. It will still be better than any other option. And probably your other 3 units will be way stronger than opponent’s four.
That might work, actually. My default arena team consists of 3 supporting fliers and Robin with bowbreaker for backup. I could push my luck and replace Robin with him.
Ha, what do you know? The Xander Grand Hero Battle Lunatic mode is actually easy! I defeated him and his army using my 5-Star Tharja, my 5-Star Reinhardt, my 5-Star Spring Camilla, and my 4-Star Olivia! Super easy!
I hate this new DLC-exclusive classes. Adding another tier of classes in a game where you can’t wield more than one type of weapon is pointless. The game is already easily beatable with the available classes. These classes are only here to be flashy and get people to spend more cash. If their only purpose is to make upcoming DLC-exclusive maps like apotheosis possible, I swear I’m never spending a dollar in FE DLC ever again.
You think locking story and character development behind an extra paywall is fair practice? And though I have no real proof of it, I’m convinced it’s content that was already done by the time the game released. In other words, I believe it’s held-back content, used as a quick cash-grab. That aside, I think it’s much overpriced anyway. Nintendo’s been DLC in various games for some time now, and most of those games offer MUCH more value for the price they ask. Fire Emblem’s DLC content is a comparitively shallow deal.
Fire Emblem does DLC right. Even the story-related stuff isn’t plot-essential, it’s just extra; it doesn’t fit into the plot naturally, and would be clunky to implement. It really doesn’t matter if it was done before or after the game itself was because it wouldn’t be in the game by default anyway if DLC wasn’t a thing, it just wouldn’t exist, or if it did, the game itself would cost more. It’s literally optional in every way. You have to pay EXTRA because it’s EXTRA content. Don’t buy a dress and complain that it doesn’t come with makeup.
Oh really, and how do you know? Have you played that DLC already to know that story content wouldn’t fit in the main game? Please enlighten me then, WHY couldn’t they? Because I don’t see it. Remember also that they did it with New Mystery of the Emblem just fine, so what’s the important difference here?
And as for the pricing, you should understand I’m not principally against paid DLC. But then, compare the DLC here and its value, to DLC in practically every other Nintendo game that has it. I don’t know about you, but to me it’s painfully obvious how much of a gap in value there is here. The price/value ratio is horribly skewed compared to how it is in other Nintendo games.
DLC has become a goal in and of itself, rather than a means of expanding an already great gaming experience, and I refuse to be some mindless sheep to that. I find it unacceptable, and I want Nintendo and Intelligent Systems to be aware of that.
“The game is already beatable with the available classes.” Um, that’s a good thing! It means people don’t have to buy DLC to complete the game!
Like this is ridiculous.
“If their only purpose is to make upcoming DLC-exclusive maps like apotheosis possible, I swear I’m never spending a dollar in FE DLC ever again.”
Intelligent Systems: “Here’s some 100% optional content that you might need to beat other 100% optional content”
Y’all: “WE’RE BEING ROBBED”
wait–wait a second… what you said implies you still plan on buying DlC… even though you just said you hated it… like wha…
Are… are you being put up to this? Is some holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy this? No wonder you’re complaining about it! I feel so sorry for you!
“These classes are only here to be flashy and get people to spend more cash.”
You want me to let you in on a little secret?
The GAME is only here to get people to spend cash.
3rd Tiers for Alm and Celica, and 4th Tiers for everyone else. If it weren’t for the fact that Alm and Celica promote alongside the story, I’d totally grind everyone up right at the beginning just for the shits and giggles.
It’s also only 3rd tiers for some of the classes like mages, it looks like… (seriously, not all the classes have the same number of tiers! How clunky is that?!)
hmmm well to speak for myself its I want my favorite characters mostly, every once in a while I just want to try for some heroes, but with the stacking odds to get a 5 star and you don’t get one it can be a “surely the next one will be 5 star or “X” character”. So it depends on the focus but when there’s a new one I go for the one that interests me the most and usually stop after getting them. If I somehow get 3 out of 4 characters from the focus its bad news because then my collector personality kicks in and its very hard for me not to buy orbs till I get that last person, this happened with Julia when that focus was released, and it cost me more than I like to admit.
Kinda don’t like how fast this stuff is coming out. It smells of the type of DLC held back from the main game so they could sell for more money. Or maybe I’m being a conspiracy theorist.
Its a remake so it never was intended to be pushed alot like how FE Switch will be pushed alot this is just to play to hold off till then there was never intentions for the DLC to be extended each pack.
Woah!
I’m Like Really Hyped Right Now!
Those Over-Class units look awesome!
Can’t wait to try them myself!
And the Deliverance Short Stories looks way awesome as well!
So the cipher characters ARE coming funny that it was never explained in the NA video but on a Europe site I’m not surprised even though their not bringing the TCG over it make sense that original characters should come playable so I’m happy!
So much DLC, my god. If the season pass is 45 Euro’s and saves 30%, then that means the total of it if it were bought individually is about 64 Euro’s. And indeed, it contains exclusive items, classes, convenience maps and even story and character development. All locked behind paywalls, and the game only just released in Japan, and isn’t even out here yet. I cannot accurately put into words how much I hate what they’re doing here. Of course I have no real proof of this, but I’m convinced much if not all of the DLC was already done by the time the game released in Japan. I said it before and I will keep saying it, I do not trust IS with DLC.
Don’t forget the Cipher DLC, which is 2-4 exclusive characters unobtainable otherwise. Admittedly, they probably won’t have anything like Support Conversations, but still.
I’ll be getting this. I felt the DLC in Fates was overkill, considering the game was already pretty much three full adventures. I didn’t bother with any DLC or paralogues by the time I hit Revelations. But since Echoes is more compact, I have a feeling this bonus content will be more fun.
What the hell even are these prices. Yes, I get that these cost money to make, but this is beyond pushing it.
Seriously, $45 for a dlc collection is too much for a $40 game, and that’s WITH THE DISCOUNT INCLUDED.
I’ll see how the game is but im thinking I’ll probably getting only bundle one and the cipher characters…..maybe the Spartan class just for the sheer randomness.
Picking and choosing is likely the best way to go here. I’ll get the pass since I’ve got a bunch of eShop credit ready to go, but would buy it even if that weren’t the case. Some dudes spend $45 on a round of golf…I play Fire Emblem. You can bet I wouldn’t be tossing this kind of money at my kids, though, if they wanted all of this.
As this dude says, the pace is causing many to think it’s a cash grab and that it’s content cut out to get money. I wouldn’t be suprised considering the industry these days.
Yet you can buy the shit separately. Every single one of those has full voice acting, there’s backstory, new classes with new original animations, and new characters in pack 5. This is bullshit.
!!!CIPHER!!! PROOF THAT GOD ANSWERS OUR PRAYERS!
Yes, yes, it’s not an official announcement for the internationalization for the TCG, but it still leads to more hopes, like the Ø4 going to Heroes and/or #WorldWideCipher, plus at this point I’ll take what I can get. However, NoA not mentioning Pack 5 has me a little worried – do they just really not like NoJ or something? They sure seem to skip out on giving us a bunch of stuff that Japan and sometimes even Europe gets an awful lot.
As for the DLC itself, I don’t really see any reason to buy much of it besides Pack 5 assuming NoA doesn’t just decide to be idiotic and skip out on us. I mean, I’ll probably get maybe two or three of the Final Tier Class DLCs(Like Spartan for the Memes that are no doubt already rampant online) and one set of the Farming DLCs, but really, I’m pretty much mostly in it for da Shade. Besides, holy crap Nintendo, I’m already pumping a fat load of money into importing Cipher because you guys haven’t gotten around to actually giving it to us plus buying Echoes on its own, I ain’t got another $50 to blow on anything less than that Binding Blade remake you guys’ve owed us for freaking years.
For now, we have Celica, which is a red unit (but we do not know if she is a sword or a tome user), and Mae is a Mage but she can be a red tome (fire) or a blue tome (thunder) user. I do not think Boey will appear. Maybe Saber, Conrad or Valbar. In my opinion, if we got Faye in Alm banner, we will have Conrad in Celica Banner.
Saber and Valbar are the safest bets. There’s actually a secret pattern that hints at those two specifically, but I won’t mention it in case it’s wrong XD
If so, we will probably end up with with Red Celica, Blue Mae (Thunder and Aura?), Red Saber and Blue Valbar. Unless they go creative and decide to give Valbar axes.
Another one that could is Celica, Mae, Conrad, and Valbar. I say Conrad specifically because Faye – a unit not in the original Gaiden but in Echoes – was in Alm’s banner, so I think it would be safe to assume that Conrad – a unit not in the original Gaiden but in Echoes – would be in Celica’s banner.
Uh, mindless kid, this Gauntlet is for the mages, not for healers, so that old coot Wrys is disqualified. Too bad for you, mindless kid, Tharja is sure to win.
You don’t look older than me, you poor misguided childish troll, that’s why you failed this argument. Wrys is disqualified, and you know it. You lose. Ha ha ha.
Wooooow. Dude. The joke that Wrys is OP mega god is a mini meme from Sagemaster15, or Sages. He once upped a Wrys to 5 stars for comedic effect. Also went into Arena matches with 4 Wrys and actually won three matches.
More or less is decided, only Robin can have any real chance of winning but that is thanks to the new rules, at least I hope if Robin beat my team #Team Leon.
A new banner and events? Yeah, we all know that it’s going to be Celica, Mae, and probably the other two guys from Fire Emblem Echoes, guaranteed. Well, then I guess I better save those Orbs for that next main banner, and I’m gonna say goodbye to Ike and the others from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. …Goddammit!
Did you specifically select to view “Score Type: Tier”? The Check Rewards screen defaults to Offense and both that and Defense still look the same as the old screen.
So what was the consensus of the yellow orb from the golden week thing? A guaranteed 5 star orb that is maybe let out during events eventually? It’s in the opening cinematic so you’d thing it be in the game sooner or latter.
Oh sweet, Ursula coming back. The one GHB unit I originally missed, because I just couldn’t win. But surely, I should have the means to make it now. Excited for that.
Not the one with Navarre haved Effie Caeda Sophia and Kagero guess is a *if have pesky thiefs around use Effie or Kagero* case, is written in mini postwall in the older entries.
Took on the Ursula GHB, and thanks to having a much better selection of units, I did it without too much trouble. Turns out, Zephiel is a boss here. Bait and kill Ursula early (I happen to have Nino for that, so that made things easy), then just wall out the opposition with Zephiel. He really won’t take much damage at all, even at 4-star. Dancer support is great as always. I also brought in Cordelia… but she didn’t end up doing anything.
Now these quests, though… hoo boy, I’m not sure how I’m going to accomplish those, especially killing Ursula using Anna and my own (new) Ursula. I have Anna trained up to 4-star level 40. With a Spd+1 seal, she can double her, so actually killing her with Anna should be no problem. Getting her out of there alive afterwards looks trickier to me. And then using Ursula, who I still have to train up all the way… No clue how I’m going to tackle that just yet. I suppose I’ll figure something out.
And I wonder who’ll be returning next of the GHB’s. I guess Narcian will be making another appearance after Lloyd comes.
I am against to say how things are easy for sheer fear IS may up their game, original female Robin were hard enough imo needed spend a stamina potion in the end. But was easy with Hector a dancer a healer he took all down even the sword cavalier on Lunatic if you heal him.
Hector is a heroes Killer. I used Hector in Lunatic too. In Ursula vs. Ursula quest, I almost lost when Enemy Ursula attacked my Ursula and she survived with only 1 HP.
GODDAMMIT, I hate this Grand Hero Battle! I couldn’t beat Ursula on Lunatic mode back then, and now I still can’t beat her, or her damn thieves with poison daggers! The other players must have beaten her at ease with their Hectors and their Azuras, while my team is still weak AF! It’s not fair, DAMMIT!
You know what? Never mind, after many trials and errors, I finally beat Ursula in Lunatic mode, with my 5-Star Spring Xander, my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Nino, and my 4-Star Ursula. I doubted myself back then, but I finally did it. Thanks, anyway.
Wow! This is great. I have 5-stars Ursula (I got her with 3 stars in the first GHB, and used 22.000 feathers to raise her to 5-stars) and she can be very useful.
Okay, WHAT THE HELL?! I keep on losing at Part 4 of the Defensive Battles on Hard! Why did everyone else have good characters such as Hector and Azura and Ryoma to pass that level WHILE I DO NOT?!
Use Zephiel and you don’t even need a healer, really. Dispatch of Ursula, and nobody can touch him, more or less. Evat 4-star, the thieves will not be able to damage him.
Very curious to see if the new comeback mechanic is going to change anything. I think everyone knows that Tharja’s the favourite here. If there’s any chance of her losing, it’ll be to Robin, and nobody else. So my first-round predictions:
Tharja > Linde. I can see Linde have made it to the second round if she wasn’t matched up with Tharja immediately, but she is.
Sanaki Henry. I don’t feel like people care about Henry anymore.
Robin > Merric. Robin is just popular. The only character here who can maybe compete with Tharja, especially with the comeback mechanic. And poor Merric remains in the dust of Khadein…
Myself, though? I want feathers, and considering who I do and don’t have, my best pick looks like it’ll be Merric. I have him and his lack of popularity should make it fairly easy to achieve a good rank without investing too many feathers.
I wouldn’t count Merric out just yet, right now Robin vs Merric is 1,923,503,868 to 1,757355,564. Pretty close compared to my past experiences with voting gauntlets.
And optimistically thinking Linde might beat Tharja from her status as a top tier hero. Though I’m probably just saying that because i hate Tharja. I’m an Awakening fan, but i really hate Tharja,
Yeah, I know, I’m supporting Merric myself, as I figured I’d be doing before, and I’m quite surprised to see Merric hold up so well. Turns out that 3x multiplier is quite impactful. Depending on what players do in the final few hours, and if the comeback mechanic kicks in at the right moment, there’s a slight chance Merric might overtake Robin at the last moment. And it sounds like Tharja vs. Linde is much the same. Additionally, I understand that the other two battles, Leo vs. Henry, and Sanaki vs. Julia are pretty even as well. Been a few hours since I read that, so things might’ve changed, but I don’t know. It’s cool to see we’re not just getting landslide victories everywhere this time.
Sorry for any Robin in advance but you guys are the only ones capable to win against Tharja I kinda know this, but still want to see how strong your drive is.
So in second the phase of Guantlet against Leo please not hold back.
I know Celica is a magic Lord but I’m shocked they never use her unique sword in echoes I guess she have it in FE Warriors with her multi magic still she is definitely powerful from what it looks like glad I save my orbs! also I’m shocked no Saber, Valbar or even that new character didn’t show but oh well.
I know Celica is a magic Lord but I’m shocked they never use her unique sword in echoes I guess she have it in FE Warriors with her multi magic still she is definitely powerful from what it looks like glad I save my orbs! also I’m shocked no Saber, Valbar or even that new character didn’t show but oh well also hilarious that Valentia characters are using Tomes yeah its to keep the balance of Heroes weapons but still funny to me!
Yeah Celica definitely is the one I’m looking forward too as well! Plus to that guy of course there wouldn’t be magic users in Alms early group until Luthier and Delthea this was obvious though its weird Celica didn’t have her new sword here even as a primary magic Lord oh well its gonna be in Warriors anyway!
What’s this? Celica is a magic user and not a sword user like Alm? Well, I guess it make sense since she uses magic for fighting. Also, they added one guy and yet another girl, making the total of 3 girls and one guy in this new banner. I’m gonna take a wild guess that the new story chapter and the new banner will be added after the banner of Ike and the others from “Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance” ends, right?
Ragnarok is a legendary weapon which is always great. Can’t argue with 14 Might on a tome. +5Atk/Spd if she enters battle at full HP. That could make Celica super deadly in the first combat she enters (depending on her stat spread), provided it’s not her getting attacked by a close-range unit. The penalty is also a cool nod to the way spells in Gaiden/SoV drain the user’s HP, and simultaneously keeps the bonus of Ragnarok relatively in check. OBVIOUSLY encourages healing support. Distant Defense should make her very difficult to kill at range as well. That said, I think this will be an extremely popular inheritance skill.
Owl tomes looks like they’ll pack a lot of potential, but require tight positioning, which sounds difficult. Potentially powerful, but I think the difficulty in using them will not make them particularly popular. Also great potential to be EXTREMELY annoying in missions with a lot of enemy units clustered together. Dunno about Earth Boost, though. The presence of this skill on Boey suggests he’ll come with a lot of HP, and it probably also makes him rather difficult to efficiently, but to be honest, I don’t really see this skill doing very much.
Nothing particularly new for Mae, there’s another Owl tome and also the next EXP skill, this time for Blue Tomes. Still, Draw Back is always a good support skill to have, and Desperation implies Mae will be fast. Fast tome users are always a good thing.
Lastly, Wrathful Staff. Now, if you’ve been keeping up with FE Heroes meta, staff wielders aren’t exactly popular, mainly because of the fact they are almost completely helpless in combat. If there is ever going to be a skill with the potential to change that, it’s this one. Staff damage is normally cut straight in half, but with this skill, that is the case no longer. Very excited to see if this will actually make staves combat-viable at all.
You haven’t even tried yet. If one failure was indicative of all other failures, nobody would have ever succeeded in anything. Since everyone fails something once at sometime.
These look awesome sadly they likely won’t really talk or have supports but love the models and art being made for them they better keep bringing them back especially for FE 16 Switch!
Because there’s no female myrmidon class in this game and the only female class that can use swords in this game is priestess that will probably change in the next game.
The Echoes cards look epic especially the obvious Alm and Celica ones, the Laguz as well plus I expected Sharena getting another card since she’s the more popular Heroes Lord!
If this game has taught me anything, it is to never, ever, EVER summon on the first day of a banner.
Guaranteed 3 stars.
Gonna wait ’til Thursday or so.
Celica and Genny are the only ones I want, really. The Owl tomes don’t look that great (gonna be a pain when facing enemies that can have 5 allies, though).
While I did get a fair share of 3* while spending the ~50 Orbs I’ve saved up for the last couple week, I did manage to snag a 5* Celica for myself as well. 🙂 Don’t give up hope!
I never got shit on all the other summons, before. My luck always seems to be sometime in the middle. Eirika, Titania, Sanaki, Nowi, etc. have all been just random occurrences midway through a banner.
Tried a pull last night and got 3 star Selena and 4 star Draug. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.
Yea worst case scenario (to me) but do you know Heroes dont exactly follow the games Raven with axe. Jaffar with daggers this kinda of stuff so yeah better get ready for the worse but hope for the best
Well, no thief seems to follow their correct weapon if we see knife as being incorrect. Also, you could say Raven can use axes after promotion. Though Faye still confuses me with her use of bows…
The issue with that is Raven is best with a sword, for obvious reasons. They also need to fix his voice actor. Cancerbrook should never be allowed to voice a good character. R.i.p Raven and Karel
Thing is, Raven does get Axes after promotion, and all thieves and assassins in Heroes have been shown to get daggers. Elincia, however, plain and simply never wields lances. She wields swords and staves, and that’s it. She even has her personal sword, Amiti. Besides, we already have 8 lance pegasus knights right now, compared to 2 sword pegasus knights. I think we could do with some more sword-pegasus options.
Damn, Bruno killed Zacharias? Now he’s gonna regret it, both Bruno and Veronica.
Anyway, I know the drill: I’m never going to summon any of those characters from Fire Emblem Echoes, because I will end up summoning these same old useless heroes! Nope, not looking forward to this! F it!
Um, no, I find that hard to believe. Zacharias was a Lance Fighter, while Bruno is a Blue Cavalier. Just because they’re both blue units doesn’t mean they’re one in the same.
yes and Lucina is a sword user but for the spring festival she uses a blue tome. People can learn new skills and disguise themselves if they go undercover. Law enforcement does it all the time.
Well it implies within the confines the game that a person can use 2 different weapon types like if “Bruno” is indeed Zacharias. However you believe what you do and I can respect that. As such I wish you a good day and good pulls on heroes 😀
They pretty much gave enough clues. “Zacharias (AKA Zach)” was researching about the royal family and found out about Bruno. He realizes that Bruno is trying to control Veronica (as with the whole “voices telling me to kill” bit). He gets Nino to send our group a letter to confirm that Bruno is the big bad and he is trying to control people. At this point Zach -while fighting against our group- hasn’t been the most blood thirsty and has shown mercy. Now with recent events we get this “new” Zach AKA “Bruno” who basically is Zach taking a 180 on personality on (I WILL KILL YOU!!! RAWRG!) when he never acted like that before. So it can be seen as Zach looking too deep into the Bruno case, and getting possessed by him in the end.
1. Bruno isn’t a lance user
2. Alfonse, Sharena and Anna didn’t recognize him as Zacharias even after repeated seeing him up close and hearing his voice
Okay, if you think Bruno is Zacharias, then why wasn’t Zacharias seen when he saved Kiran’s life, my life, our lives, from getting killed by Veronica? Are they really pulling the “Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker” bull crap?! I find that hard to believe, because if I remember correctly, Zacharias was a Lance Fighter, while Bruno is a Blue Cavalier. Just because they’re both blue units doesn’t mean they’re one in the same.
Yeah. I think he’s lying at the end of Chapter 11.
Also, at the end of Chapter 10 (when Veronica tries to kill the Summoner), a guy stops her, and we have the following dialogue:
???: Run, Summoner! Toward the light! Just go! Trust me! I’m Zacharias- Alfonse and Sharena’s friend!
We already know that ??? is Bruno, so unless there is another ??? in the game, Bruno is Zacharias.
The mystery will be solver sooner or later, because I found two more “Secret” Google Play Achievements. That means Chapter 12 and 13 are already in the works.
The thing is, how do they really not recognize who Bruno really is because of just a small mask and they would recognize his voice. Unless Bruno transformed into someone else I don’t see how Bruno is able to fool the Askr gang. Unless I am overestimating how smart they are.
This is not about how smart the characters are, but how simplified the game story have been so far, after all it is a mobile game intended to reach the casual players.
The good news is I got Genny. The bad news is, like all healers, she’s weak! The worse news is I didn’t get Celica, just like I didn’t get Alm, but got Faye instead. What the hell?!
Genny has the highest Atk among healers, for what it’s worth, at 35 Atk 5* level 40. If she uses the Assault skill, she sits on 45 Atk, which is really quite high for a healer, and at least gives her the capability to fight, along with Wrathful Staff.
I just got a -DEF + SPD Boey….hmmm….well I’ll stick with it (after blowing through 60ish orbs I saved up). It’s not the best for his ATK skill but even -DEF he still deals an extra 23ish damage. Besides, I’m sticking with giving him defensive skills. If I decide to ignore that and give him moonbow I”m pretty much required to give him a new A skill slot since I’ll be moving away from a DEF build, and I currently don’t have the time to farm that much SP to completely redo his skillset. I think he’s the magic user with the second highest DEF, with M. Robin taking first.
Of course it’ll be cut from the eng version. Japan 7-Elevens are a lot more….important? (not exactly the best word but their small snack/convenience stores are a lot better and offer more over there) that they actually do stuff like this. Hell in past when stuff like Dominos does colabs with Code Geass and Attack on Titan, we don’t get any of that kind of stuff over here because just in general their restaurants/stores/small businesses offer more than the ones in NA.
I saw this promotion coming a mile away because of the weapons/equipment pages, but it puzzled me because I’ve seen more Family Marts (7/11 “equivalent” for those that don’t know) when I went there last summer.
Considering both Barsts I’ve gotten are -Atk, I appreciate finally getting one like this as he’s guaranteed to be neutral, and therefore guaranteed to not suck completely.
Whew! This five-orbs quest saved me from another in-app purchase, because I wanted another 5-star character from Female Mages focus (with 3.50% chance). And I’ve got Sanaki. But now it appears that i must win all remaining Voting Gauntlet battles in order to use all flags. And I think there is no chance to reach top 50 this time. Previously (with Camilla), I reached 17th place. Currently I was with Julia, but she lost the 2nd Round. Now i’m with Tharja.
Well I did wanted something with a better reward so more 5 orb to spend in the Lloid battle banner tried the one of echoes and got two 4 stars Cecilias.
None of Tharja’s victories were landslides like anyone would’ve thought. Especially with the final round against Robin when Robin was in the lead for the first day.
Almost gotta wonder why they’re even still setting that 10-billion vote goal. It gets destroyed every single time, and this time even more so thanks to the introduction of the comeback mechanic, which can triple score gains.
And GHB, looking at it, it doesn’t look too hard, and I am already formulating a strategy for it. Some obvious things I’m picking up, the bow cav reaches the farthest, so you can bait and dispose of him on enemy phase easily without getting the bait unit teamed up on by the rest of the enemy units. Bring a unit with a Raven or Wolf tome, and/or the Bowbreaker skill, and that cavalier should be easy to remove. Heck, a green tome with Raven + Triangle Adept can be positioned right above the mountain nearest to the player’s starting position, and destroy both the bow cav and the blue mage in one turn. Caeda or Palla can also easily and safely bait out the axe flier in the top left. If you have either of them, they’re probably worth bringing (and training if you haven’t done so already.)
If you have a good green tome-wielder, they can probably also easily destroy the lance cavalier next turn. And then Lloyd remains. Anyone (but preferably blues) with Swordbreaker should do, I think.
To be fair, the final round was pretty close. The comeback mechanic tripling score gain helped, of course, but it only kicked in like two or three times throughout the entire final round. This was easily the most even gauntlet we’ve had so far. Robin was actually in the lead in a few instances, too.
But at the same time, if we have to rely on a crutch like the x3 point system then I don’t really call it a real victory (if Robin won). Because in retrospect he would have gotten less votes, its just that the system literally helped him win while the majority of the time Tharja’s votes were from normal x1 votes. They REALLY need to rethink who they set up against each other because having to rely on the comeback mechanic to win is kind of…..eh.
Very true at least their getting rid of the glorified ones plus doing better balance with this and will hopefully get actually good characters if Lyn, Ike, Alm, Celica, Roy get in at least it’ll be better!
Tharja’s a GREAT character. Not a good PERSON, but she was well-rounded. Still, I think it’s stupid that they keep using characters from the top of the list in these gauntlets.
Soooo, its pass and threaten ATK for Llyod? Artwork asides (because there’s already a huge discussion about how they should have gotten a different artist for him….which I agree. Freaking crack-head), his skills needs to be reworked.
WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON?! I can’t beat Lunatic Chapter 11-5 because of that GODDAMN A.I.! I watched one of the videos on how to beat that God forsaken stage, but…IT’S NOT WORKING FOR ME!! I HATE IT WHEN THOSE ENEMIES OUTSMART ME, I HATE THAT CRAP!!!
Since Bruno and Veronica are important characters in the story, I don’t think they’ll ever have actual Grand Hero Battles. So yeah, either Camus, or they’ll announce a new line-up of GHB’s.
Maybe not in the near future, but I think they will eventually be playable. Their sound effects hinting this possibillity are already present in the game’s code.
After Lloyd, I think Camus will be next, but I’m also expecting another chance for Narcian and Michalis.
Oh, I do not doubt they’ll eventually become playable units, I’m sure of it. But I don’t think they’ll become available through a Grand Hero Battle, unless they turn a story chapter into a GHB. I’m convinced these characters will be unlocked specifically through story progress.
And according to dataminers, Narcian’s gonna make a return next, so get ready for that.
Well in the last screenshot to the Ursula great battle Kagero was on and she were a unit in the banner so either Hawkeye or Florina or boths are a helper unit. it make sense not saying will be.
Joke’s on you, I don’t own Fire Emblem Fates, and you can never find me in Fire Emblem Heroes. So that means I win, childish troll. Better luck next time, if there’s going to be a next time. Ha ha ha.
That sounds like you being mad and salty to me, when will you ever learn that the most popular character, like Tharja, always wins? Still, I gotta admit, Male Robin came closer than any character ever has, even with his 3 times bonus.
And look what happened? In the end, Tharja has triumphed, she beat Robin fair and square, and I voted for Tharja, of course. Tsk tsk tsk, you should’ve stayed on the winning team, kid. Better luck next time, if there will be a next time.
Wow, is “not at all” your catchphrase? Talk about “lame” and “retarded”. Also, I don’t believe you even own Fire Emblem 11, because there’s no such thing. Your precious Merric deserves to lose, so give up, sore loser, move on. Are you triggered yet, crybaby troll? You must be.
Awesome love these guys I better see more of them in future which based on their info/card classes very likely glad they have some convos sad there’s no Emma-Shade maybe next time!
Well this is one DLC I’m getting. Considering I’m just picking around with other DLC’s ( most likely just opting out the grinding DLCs). This is the type of Sh*t I like. Like BladeLord said, it feels good to have DLC characters actually have a purpose instead of being shoehorned in there (same can be said towards the Capture mechanic in Fates along with the character cards in Fates and Awakening)
I think you got Binding Blade mixed up with Blazing Sword since on where he appears younger since Blazing Sword is set 20 years before Binding Blade. Unless time travel is implied that I am not aware of.
Turns out this GHB is a little trickier than I thought. Had to give Nino the skills Gronnraven with Triangle Adept just to have her not die to the bow cavalier while baiting. Once I did, I managed rather alright, but I did initially take a few tries at Lunatic.
I can totally see Hector cheesing this map effortlessly, but I don’t have him…
Went to try this out earlier, and the first thing I thought of when I saw Lloyd’s art was, “He looks like Angry Rick Astley.” Can only imagine what his one-liners would sound like… ^_^;;
You haven’t even played the full release yet. So you can’t know it’s good or bad. Even though Gaiden has a lot of unique things to it’s gameplay, so does well, every single other FE ever. So if you like FE and the core gameplay, you will undoubtedly like Echoes.
Not necessarily, if IntSys wasn’t confident in the decision to go back to classic FE then they wouldn’t have chosen GAIDEN of all things to remake. It should have been like their last choice but it was their first (technically their third but whatever). Something tells me this game will do well.
Bah, this Grand Hero Battle wasn’t that hard. I beat Lloyd in Lunatic mode with my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Sharena, my 4-Star Female Robin, and my 4-Star Palla.
Got them both. Who will be next, not counting Narcian and Michalis reruns? Let’s guess:
February – Narcian and Female Robin
March – Ursula and Michalis
April – Navarre and Zephiel
May – Xander and Lloyd
June – possibly Camus and maybe someone from Gaiden/Echoes?
Hey um… so anyone who is already playing this game, is there any reason why the VERY FIRST first cutscene when you pop in the game shows Alm impaling Celica? It seems like a really spoilery scene. Is it, you know, not as spoilery as I think? Is there a reason why they showed that? Someone enlighten me.
Or am I the only one who decided to go into this game blind and everyone already knew that was going to happen?
I don’t want to spoil it bro, but its there to F with ur head, Its like watching a rely big scene and they live the last 30 secs out which MAYBE might change the hole thing. trying to not spoil it, just play the game and it will all game sense in the end.
I’d agree with this. The relative direction wasn’t “bad,” the story itself just needed some work and I didn’t mind the art style one bit lol. If they ever do bring back the MU I suppose that would need some work to.
Considering that we’re getting them for Echoes, it seems likely. My theory is that they’re using Echoes to see how many of the overseas players are interested in them, then they’ll move them to Heroes, possibly in conjunction with their release in-game on June 22, and then hopefully they’ll finally announce internationalization of the TCG.
There is nothing great about that worthless Fury skill, because he can take damage after battle, leaving him wide open for the enemies’ lance and blue tome attacks, that’s what makes Hinata weak.
For example, putting it on Celica puts her recoil damage from her first attack at 11, which puts her into Desperation range.
So her first attack is a supremely boosted Ragnarok/Fury combo of +8 to Attack and Speed, and then afterwards she reverts into a Brave attacker while still retaining the Fury boosts.
If the recoil is a huge worry for you, you’re not using it properly.
Having Hinata is kind of useless since people majority of the time just use him to give his Fury 3 to someone else, but that is obtainable at 4star. Hell, people usually just upgrade the 3 star to 4 star because using 2000 Feathers is easier than trying to summon a 4 star of him. But what is concerning is that they have another banner, but with no way to actually get orbs to use on it.
This game is easily one of the top in the series for me. They held nothing back. The changes in narrative, the voice acting, the art-style, character development, it was all done really well. I just hope they put this much effort into the newer Fe games. Remakes are fun but I would much rather have a fresh experience that is just as fun.
Nothing too difficult. With all of these battles + their quests cleared, that’s a free 12 orbs. Can’t complain. I need 4 more to hit 20, and hopefully they will provide that many before Celica’s banner ends. If not, I’ll just have to do an incomplete round of summoning. I already went 3 full rounds of crappy summons on this one, so surely, my persistence has to pay off sooner or later… right?
Next banner? there has been datamined files which suggest a bride/groom banner in June.. The datamine files should available on the Fire Emblem Heroes Reddit.
I’m aware of that particular hint, but that doesn’t really tell us ‘who’ the characters in question are. I always find it exciting who will be the latest addition to the Heroes cast.
Hold up, a part of the DLC is support conversations? I seriously cannot appropriately express my disdain for this. But then, I think this game’s DLC is nonsense to begin with…
Its not like the festival dlc from previous 3ds FE games didn’t have extra convosations…
they just upgraded them to supports, especially since we don’t have marrige or class changing via friend seal.
Really? Of all the new abilities they could give Alm in a new class, it’s just to increase bow range while Celica gets Aura? Someone got the short end of the stick there.
Yep! Pack 4 is the story DLC, and Pack 5 is the Cipher character DLC. Considering the Season Pass only covers these packs, it’s unlikely they’ll be adding more in the future.
Narcian, the bane of my existence! I couldn’t get him on Hard mode of my very first Grand Hero Battle! And now, I will finally have my revenge! This time, he is mine!
I can’t tell who the other figure is. My first guess was Lucina and this is the special costume variants for the Choose your Hero Winners and Runner ups. But i don’t see any indicators.
Lyn seems like a definite for the one on the left, the one on the right I think is either Camilla, Lucina, or Eirika, of which I’m leaning towards Eirika, as Lucina and Camilla already have added in artwork and Eirika did have a bride artwork in awakening.
I almost thought it was Cordelia since her hair is very long but we will see. That also could just be a part of the dress it’s hard to tell with a sillouette.
Finally, I have beaten all five trials on Normal and Hard! Boy, that sure was tough, but I finally completed the quests! Well played, Kozaki Yusuke, well played!
Looks like its Lyn, Charlotte, Cordelia and Caeda even though I hate the pandering this feels like at least it makes sense for these characters except Lyn plus its an actual class I’ll likely pass this one probably.
Nice. Hmmmmm probably be going for Lyn and maybe Cordelia as a secondary would like Charlotte since she’s now being added but gotta keep it reasonable for my wallet’s sake XD. However this is probably like the Easter summons and you will not be able to get these specific units after the banner is over.
Charlotte’s skill looks pretty cool. Gonna see if I can pick her up. And Cordelia with the double rally looks pretty fucking insane.
Lyn’s continues the motion set by Genny on trying to get healers more relevant in the meta. Along with the sweep skills negating counterattacks. It’ll be interesting to see if the meta does indeed start to shift towards more buff/debuffing gambits.
Got 60 orbs sitting around, so I’m gonna throw the dice a few times and see what bites. It’s not like I’m getting an actual bride anytime soon.
Oh I’m not pretending I have incredible luck, I was just speaking hypothetically. My quantity of 5-star units is relatively low and the rate at which I get the focus units of a particular banner even more so. But despite that, I have gotten some pretty killer units over time. Can’t complain all too much.
My quantity of 5-star units is much higher. Also, I don’t have any 3-star units, because they have been either used for skill inheritance or upgraded to 4 stars.
You don’t have any 3* units? Really? Wow. So impressive. Truly. Never have I seen such a mighty e-penis. Clearly, his e-penis is bigger than yours, Laggalot. He has whipped it out and measured it for all of us to behold his magnificence. We should all just bow down and worship him, the almighty holder of the digital phallus.
Might as well make them official waifus by turning them into brides. And Charlotte doesn’t even get hinted before and is now gonna be released as a bride.
Hmm, four brides and no grooms…eh, I’m good with this. But then again, these limited editions of Bride Caeda, Bride Charlotte, Bride Cordelia, and Bride Lyn may be the ones I could never summon, due to this game hating my summoning skills!
On one hand, I’m happy because this is a banner that I can feel confident that I’ll skip, like the art but considering there isn’t too much potential beyond inheritance bait it’s not worth. On the other hand though, I hate holding onto orbs because I become more likely to waste it on something stupid. (Micaiah I need you now. T.T)
So, turns out this Cordelia is pretty much the best Archer in the game, and the other three are quite solid in their own right as well. This banner is kinda nutty.
Apparently they are mostly gonna be focussing on shadow dragon, awakening and fates. This won’t be a gathering of the protagonists from across the series. That is kinda what they did with Hyrule Warriors, but still 🙁
so are we going Chinese with these new lords as the boy(Shion i’s assuming they’ll keep this name) his hair reminds me of Sun wu Kon from smite and Lian is a Chinese name.
Awesome I knew it! plus I expected it was gonna be Original, Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates characters but there’s obviously gonna be DLC for the others like ie SoV for Alm and Celica, Tellius Ike and Micaiah, etc.
I doubt that, for now at least. They shouldn’t be DLC, they should be in the damn game. Of course, we have to pander to the filthy fucking scrubs though
*Marth is voiced by Hikaru Midorikawa. Chrom is voiced by Tomokazu Sugita.
*There are two more original characters: Darios (voiced by Takuya Satou) and Yuana (voiced by Yuka Nagayoshi).
*Development is currently 70 percent complete.
*The project was in planning before Famitsu’s collaboration Musou title survey.
*The first thing that was decided was “to do a Musou game that Fire Emblem fans would enjoy.”
*The weapon triangle, high strategy elements, and classes that are mainstay in the Fire Emblem series are in.
*The reason all the protagonists from the Fire Emblem games are not being included is because if they did that, everyone would be using a sword.
*You can switch characters while playing, so you’ll be able to control various weapons and classes of characters.
*The number of playable characters is more than the first entry of any other Musou series collaboration.
*Archers and magic users will be playable.
*While Koei Tecmo can’t share details on the world yet, there is a “Shield of Fire” in this world that has tuned up from beyond space and time.
*Units that ride a horse, such as the Cavalier, always fight on horse. They’re designed to have high mobility.
*“Bond Conversations” are being prepared as support conversations. There is a huge amount of text, including serious conversations and goofy conversations.
There is one line that is BS in there. The whole everyone would use a sword. I mean let’s see, Robin uses Magic and a swosh, Sigurd can lance, Michy is a mage, Hector is Axe Jesus, Liliana is Magic Hector, and we can’t forget the true hero of FE 11, Ceada can hit people with the most broken lance in the series.
True but they went the same way with Hyrule warriors (which only included characters from OoT, TP en SS) so I can see why they would do that this time as well. Don’t like it, but hey what can you do.
I really liked almost everyone in HW’s line up. I don’t care what characters are in, as long as they aren’t all from Fates, which has the worst line up of characters ever.
Not to mention the fact that they could have easily made one of their three OCs a different class other than sword user, hell they could have one use Axes and one use Lances to represent the weapon triangle but NOPE. Instead they make every revealed character so far a sword user and and bullshit their way out of representing the other games with “hurrr too manny sowrd userss”.
FE Warrior’s theme appear to be Roman/Greek mythology as FE Heroes is Norse mythology. It seems IS is interested in other medieval mythologies aside from European/Japanese.
I’m a bit partial to Marth’s New Mystery design over his Shadow Dragon one, but I imagine like with Hyrule Warriors, we’re going to get alternative costumes and recolors to go along with these characters.
Not per se, if the amount of content in the game is comparable to Hyrule warriors then we’re good. That game had a lot of content up front and just added a ridiculous amount of extra content later via DLC.
I’m mostly worried about the potential exclusion of non-Akaneia/Ylisse/Fates characters, which may entail that those will indeed only be available via DLC. Honestly, it’s a great opportunity for them and I can’t blame them for going that route, but it still sucks.
You’re completely right and I think those worries are justified as I fear that that will mostly be the case. I’m just hoping for a sizable roster and good combat. I will probably just buy all the dlc anyway as this is kind off my dream game.
Well, it will supposedly have some sort of strategic combat, so hopefully we’re good on that front at least. I’ll likely buy a Switch along with this game when it’s released, since I’ll need to get one eventually anyway.
I can’t see why they wouldn’t include all the FE Amiibo characters in the vanilla game like Hyrule Warriors did to get people to both buy more of said Amiibo(which they would conveniently suddenly do another run of so as to sell more) and continue to jack up the prices of Marth online. In other words, I’d expect Ike, Roy, Alm, and Celica for now but keep my fingers crossed for (insert your personal hoped-for – I’m guessing Leif for you, Pebbs) and wait for news. I’m worried about DLC-Locking too, but if they do that there’s not much we can do about it. Maybe it’ll be like HW did – the Switch version will come out first with slightly less storyline, and the N3DS will be a little more expensive to start out but have a bit more content not locked behind a paywall(plus maybe an exclusive counterpart for Marth like how Linkle was for…wait a second…).
Yea, I won’t rule anything out yet, and I can definitely see the characters that have an amiibo being in the base game if you actually own the amiibo. But that alone would be kinda shitty since there’s so many other great characters throughout the series to pick from – and they end up going with the mainstay FE1 characters + the no-personality trash from FE13/14. Honestly I can’t help feeling a bit disappointed if that ends up being the case, since I feel that musou games have the potential to bring fun and obscure characters to the table (how sick wouldn’t it be to slaughter mobs with gonzales..).
It’s still up for grabs though, so we’ll see how it’ll turn out.
Yeah, my worry is they’ll leave out everyone from any Fire Emblem that wasn’t internationally sold besides Roy who would only be in because SSB, and shaft us on a lot of good characters. Fingers crossed for Leif for you!
Thanks man, hopefully he won’t be shunned in favor of other sword users. In fact, since Leif was originally planned to be Marth’s clone instead of Roy in Melee, he’s entitled to a spot in this game instead… Right?
Got 12 orbs, used 60, so far no luck except 4-star Titania. I’ll get more from June quests and try to get at least one Bride for free. After that, money time!
I don’t believe it, not one single bride I have summoned, just the same old weak heroes! And to add insult to injury, I ended up getting that certain weak old man on my fifth try on this Banner! This game trolled me! WHAT THE F*CK?!
This game is gonna be fully voice acted and I’m aware that Marth speaks english in Heroes but hearing him speak what I assume will be very long sentences in English is gonna fuck me up LOL, but I’m excited
I was tempted to call this a ‘mindless FE for when you want to play FE but don’t want to strategize’, but then I remembered Awakening already earned itself that particular honor. Besides, that would be an insult to this unproven game, so I’ll hold off judging it fully until we know more about the gameplay.
It can be fairly mindless fun, and that can be a good reason to play it, but the stigma that you can just mash buttons to victory – at least if Hyrule Warriors was any indication – isn’t true. If you just keep smashing all the mooks in front of you without any further care in the world… you’re probably going to lose. The game is going to constantly throw objectives at you – take this position, defend this one, rescue this ally, stop these special enemies from reaching this spot – and though most of them aren’t vital to victory, neglecting them or failing them will often swing a battle against you very quickly.
I haven’t played any of them for more than 30 minutes so I can’t comment on the difficulty. But going from a standard FE experience, this is fundamentally different and seems to be something you can play if you’re terrible at the main series.
There are difficulty settings. I don’t find Warriors games to be particularly rewarding on higher difficulty, so I do often play them on Easy for a bit of mindless hack-n-slash fun. But Hyrule Warriors has some challenges in Adventure Mode that have made me give up on completing it. I could probably do it, but like I said, it’s not that rewarding, especially when it doesn’t come down to tactical decisions like FE, but rather some arbitrary thing like lag because the screen has too many mooks moving at once.
I personally don’t take offense at the games being called mindless, but it’s also not 100% true for the series, depending on what you play it for. That said, ever since I played Shadow Dragon on the DS, I’ve thought FE would make a great Warriors crossover. I am mega-hyped for this game. Not all of my favorite characters will make it in, but that’s fine.
This révélation of mostly fe 1-13-14 look a bit scary for me. How about celicia, lyn, hector and is helicopter, Ephraim, or even lief and is Light brand. All of them have unique style or weapon and thinking that they could be replace by minor caractère of the Last fire emblem makes me à little bit sad.
I still think the ‘too many swords’ is a stupid argument, especially right after introducing 3 whole new SWORD-wielding characters… and heck, every character confirmed thus far wields a sword. Not exactly making themselves believable here. Only maintaining some hope for the word “most”, but the skeptic in me says that’s just to not exclude the new characters here and/or Anna, who I think is guaranteed to show up somehow.
Confirmation that we’ll have mounted units, pegasi and wyverns is also cool.
And with all that in mind, I think I can make a rather educated guess at most of the roster based off character relevance (in their respective games) and popularity. From Shadow Dragon, putting aside Marth who’s already confirmed, I think Caeda is pretty much inevitable, I also expect Navarre, Merric and Minerva and Gharnef (villain). Other contenders I see would include Cain and Abel, the three Whitewings, Tiki, Michalis and Camus. Maybe Medeus.
From Awakening, Robin’s gonna show up, no doubt. I also rather expect Sumia, Donnel, Lon’qu, Cordelia, Tharja, and the trio that made it into Fates. I would also say Sully, Stahl and Tiki are contenders, but might compete with their Shadow Dragon counterparts. Maybe Panne, too, for an extra shapeshifter. Gangrel, Aversa, Walhart and Validar are all plausible villains, too. …Sorry, Grima’s too big…
For Fates, I am expecting to see Corrin, Ryoma and Xander pop up, since we saw their swords in the teaser. Camilla and Takumi are also near-inevitable due to sheer popularity, and Azura is also pretty much a no-brainer, and I suppose Garon for a villain. And again, if there are staves, Sakura and Elise stand a chance. They might also throw in Kaden/Keaton for variety through shapeshifters (would personally love to see Laguz, but I’m not getting my hopes up), and maybe the Awakening trio (instead of their Awakening counterparts).
So, Robin F. Good thing I had trained her up to 4 star level 40 before the next GHB came around (I got her the first time, and she was 4/40 by the end of it).
so we will have mages? when they announce the game, i thought we can at last see Apocalypse Spell from FE6 in glorious HD.
ok, maybe that’s a bit much hope since we will only see mediocre spell from awakening.
as for archers.. we all know they include it because of Takumi
Hey, why not all of them separately, since they’re all different Annas? XD
But in all seriousness, it would be nice to have multiple versions of Anna finally interact for a change, considering you never actually see more than one at a time – the closest you get is taking Anna to the Traveling Merchant’s shop in Awakening, and then she just seems kind of disappointed in her sister’s wares. Seeing multiple Annas together in battle would actually be really cool, plus it would finally be a character that multiple people could play at the same time, assuming FE Warriors will support that(I at least hope they do, unlikely though it might be).
Monsters, eh? Then we can conclude we won’t just be fighting human enemies. Fire Emblem has a decent pool of existing monsters to pull from, so there ought to be some variety, or so I’d hope. Having said that, I can’t help but expect it’ll mostly be the Faceless and Stoneborn from Fates and the Revenants and Entombed from Awakening, and not so much the Bonewalkers, Mogalls, Necrodragons, etc that we’ve seen with Sacred Stones and Gaiden and its recent remake. It’d be rather boring if they did that, but we already know there’s a strong bias towards Awakening and Fates here (and Shadow Dragon too, but there were no monsters in that game, unless you count manaketes).
Oh, and these twins… I noticed there was mention of their mother, the queen? I am very curious if she’s going to follow a certain trend…
I love the new art for Chrom and Marth… you can (finally) see the family resemblance.
Anyone else think Shion and Lian look like Owain and Noire’s kids? Oh well, most of my other inter-game connection theories have fallen through (Garon being a crazy old Walhart, Alm being Walhart’s great-grandpappy, Priam and Chrom being distant cousins (I’m holding on to that one), Zelgius being the Black Knight, etc.), so I don’t expect this one to last…
Hey, wait a minute, the original versions of Caeda, Lyn, and Cordelia are in this game, but not the original version of Charlotte? You mean, Charlotte is a newcomer, in her Bride version, for a limited time?! …Is anyone here? Answer me!
Anyways, in time, we’ll eventually have all the characters in the game- but we are talking about a series that spans almost 30 years with 16 games (13 if you discount remakes).
Oh great, yet another difficult Grand Hero Battle that I can never win very easily! It’s gonna take lots and lots of tries to beat that Camus guy and his army of powerful horse riders! …F***!
Monsters……you have the chance for an interesting conflict bewteen multiple factions who come to blows because they want to control the realm for their own reasons, giving us the chance for some actual gray morality in FE for once and instead we get monsters from another dimension.
The series really is being dumbed down, now I feel bad for the “Elitists” (since that’s the name everyone gives them).
“The series really is being dumbed down”
Well ….. it is a crossover. What story would you make with 5+ different timelines meeting in one and it makes a compelling and sensible story?
Or heck, let’s just leave it at it being a Mushu game, which tend to be pretty much dumbed down versions of the stories/history that their based on. Really we should assume the plot’s just going to be something super basic and maybe even a little campy.
Had less trouble than I expected to have against Camus. His map looks pretty intimidating, and there are two Ward Cavalry and two Goad Cavalry skills going around, and dealing with cavalry of course means 3-movement, which can be harder to defend against. But in execution, I didn’t find it as difficult as it looked. And Camus looks like a very useful unit, so I’m definitely training him up.
I have 20k feathers with Camus’s name written on them as soon as I train him up to Level 20! Been excited to add him to my Horse Emblem team for a while now. 😀
Now that is just adding salt in the wound, I don’t have any of those characters from this banner to defeat Camus! This sucks, I’m gonna have a hard time defeating him and his powerful army of horse riders!
Well, I once doubted myself again, but I finally beat and recruited Camus, with my 5-Star Camilla, my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Palla, and my 4-Star Subaki. And furthermore, is that Travis Willingham voice acting Camus? The Travis Willingham who voice acted Knuckles from the Sonic The Hedgehog series?!
I actually went full armor team with Hector, Sheena, Draug and Gwendolyn. Hector massacred everyone and survived and took out the red mage while everyone else was buffing him with their skills and reciprocal aid when needed.
Find it interesting of one thing in development they mention (“un-Emblem-like” things were discussed) looks like I predicted that what they were going for with Awakening and how it ended up the way it is at least it was successful.
Beat it with a semi-Flier Emblem. Camilla, Shanna, Caeda, and Sanaki. Tried with Google Chrom and Cherche before, but their res and speed is so low that the Troubadour is able to fuck them right up.
Anyway, Xander and Camus look like they’ll be very solid units for my own not-actually-built yet Horse Emblem team. I just haven’t gotten much luck getting good horse units from summons.
So even they got that the editing on Tharja’s picture actually made it more suggestive. That’s hilarious! 😀
But wait a sec…Awakening already had a T-rating in the US. Are they trying to say it might have gotten a higher rating just because of that picture? Because if so, then the ratings people are loonies. Tharja’s outfit really doesn’t differ all that much from typical swimsuits.
Well I got a nice roster of 40’s so hopefully ill be able to do this well enough but I hope that score is on the lower tiers because trying to get enough to get the 5 star masked Lucina, assumedly 30,000, would take quite a while if its just 250ish points a pop.
I think I have a decent variety of strong and capable units, so I think I can get stuff done. Sounds like it will also be valuable to have some capable healers as well, just for the sake of longevity. Either way, this starts in a few days, so better train what we can.
The Notifications post has been updated to flat out state that a 4* version of Masked Lucina will also be available, so you should be good! I’ve updated the article to include that information as well. 🙂
i dont think you understood my question. i know we got jugdral characters. but that was a while ago and we only have 4 of them. they werent even like Jugdral based banners. Seliph and Julia were randomly added with Eirika and Ephraim, and lachesis and eldigan were added for the siblings event. I would love to see more non 3ds crap games. 3 lucinas is more than enough and there is going to be one more for the voting contest thing in the future. I would like to see characters like Fury and Lewyn (idk what their english names are if these arent them, need to check out the feh website for that) as well as Ced. I would also like to see more PoR and/or RD characters. Where are Laguz? Where are the rest of the Greil Mercenaries? Where are Michaiah and Sothe? We got Sanaki during the siblings event (for whatever reason) and didnt even get her sister (big spoiler if you dont know). Where are Thracia characters? We are missing so much from the better FE games
I don’t care. I was just listing the 4 we had gotten in case you or someone else didn’t know. I would love it we got more characters from older games. No need to bite my head off
sorry that long post wasnt really to you. the first part was, i didnt realize you were just listing my apologies. The rest of it was more of an explanation of why i thought Joseph’s post was crazy. I just kept it all together, sorry
Some people can’t be accounted for taste it seems. Crappy Judral character… sheesh. I’m sure plenty of people wanted to play as Eldigan cause you really DIDN’T get to in the original game.
Thanks Hiei, also the fact that ”3DS Elitist” is a thing these days with the popularity of NEW fire emblem… Dang this fanbase is just gonna self destruct even faster than Sonic the Hedgehog or Kingdom Hearts.
Kinda regret getting into the series all those years back at this point. And I do find things to enjoy on new fire emblem. It’s just… eugh, the waifu thing is really… out of control at this point.
I’m just indifferent to it at this point, I’m just glad Echoes showed us that IntSys can find writers that don’t make quirk-centric and shallow. Besides you were technically playing matchmaker in FE4 too, just for different reasons.
And yeah the fandom is pretty toxic these days.
Yeah. As for FE4, I don’t mind the matchmaking. It just kinda has to make sense in the narrative. 2 generations spanning many years is the only way it could work.
Awakening… somewhat made it work but in the end just made it convoluted and silly. Geneology was executed perfectly.
Fates just made every parent look like a negligent douchebag that is willing to put their kid on the line. Not to mention the whole dimensional nonsense that makes kids grow up fast… that was some dumb level of writing I expect in fanfiction.net. I know I lost a couple of brain cells from that.
Here’s to expect something everyone likes from the switch one. but…. judging from IntSys’ track record… It’s just gonna get worse. =(
If they remake FE4 they’ll have to squeeze FE5 into it, they’ll have to tweak the story to work around that too.
Speaking of story, I’m hoping the localization doesn’t screw around with those too games too much IF they decide to remake them. You think the newbies can get toxic, just wait until you see what the vets start pulling if Nintendo decides to go treehouse on us again.
Yeah, who needs a character with zero representation to add diversity to the roster when we can have a THRID incarnation of an already known character right?
While not outright stated, it’s certainly implied in the write-up in the Notifications Screen that battles can be played multiple times. Playing the easier difficulty modes will likely get you significantly fewer points than harder maps, but if you’re committed enough you can probably grab a good amount of points from those levels.
You know I was thinking are the trails going to be the same every time? i.e. you can make teams around the maps per trail rather than try to balance it out and get destroyed by a Kagaro or something of the like?
Well good thing I have like 80 stamina potions for this grind. Though I really only have one developed team so maybe I should grind up some units. I’m getting this Lucina even if it kills me.
Only in Tempest Trials, you won’t use your dying unit in this mode ever again. But for the entire game? No, you still keep that unit forever, unless you send him or her home, inherit skills to another character, or merge allies.
Actually, it is still a little more forgiving than that. Going off the wording, a unit will be disabled if they fall, yes, but only until you either succeed or fail the challenge you have taken. The Tempest Trials are a series of maps, after all, that you need to clear consecutively.
So even if a unit falls in this mode, they are still not banished from it forever, just until your current run ends.
This is correct. If a unit falls they become immediately available again (for other Trials or for regular play) as soon as you complete the current Trial.
Really, it’s almost more like that series of back-to-back maps in Path of Radiance (or the current shrines/dungeons in Shadows of Valentia) than traditional permadeath.
I like this a lot. All of it. Tempest Trials looks like a fun and interesting challenge, and potentially quite rewarding as well. I’m happy to see the numerous quality-of-life improvements as well. Looks like a great update!
So with Lucina being a prize, will actually have a vote gauntlet this month? No gonna lie if they are offering her in a gatcha don’t sound too easy do it without losing someone middle way the challenges.
Oh boy, I better be ready for this nightmare that is the Tempest Trials. I have a feeling that it’s going to be hell when I fight Veronica and her powerful army, on this mode with permadeath.
For anyone curious, the permadeath only applies while inside the string of Tempest trials. After completing all battles of one trial, the fallen allies do come back and can do another trial.
Masked Lucina only has her weapon skills shown when you look at her from the reward page, so I am curious on what else she might have. Also the quickened pulse skill, I’m super interested but while I’ve done ok, best being only two teams, still didn’t earn much over 600 points so gonna take me a while at the very least. And for anyone wondering because I didn’t see it covered anywhere when your first team you start with wipes out you get to select your next team from your roster rather than another of your preset teams. It even has a option were you can check on the map so you can better counter it.
Oh interesting to say the least. I usually like to build around their skills but if that’s the case maybe I’ll actually make her a “best” version of her.
So far was able to clear the last hard one twice put since the unit I used dies middle way didnt get a good score so you kinda really need keep the unit of the bonus safe or just use on the last map if you are lucky enough.
There is an element of strategy in beating lunatic trials, but it still largely comes down to luck and having the right units. One run will decide to spam a bunch of armor slayers at you making the Hector you rely on so much harder to use, sometimes they’ll often throw enemies with those annoying “cannot counterattack” skills at you.
You also need to get lucky with the layout of Veronica’s map as it randomly chooses one of a handful of layouts. Specifically when it comes to the magic horse user and armored unit, the reason this is important is that you ideally want the mage you brought to one round them both immediately so you have time to position for Veronica and her remaining Paladin and Ninja/Thief.
So if your not running a healer, which can be understandable, Renewal and Breath of Life are lifesavers between my Hector with renewal 3 and Bridal Cordelia with renewal 2 and breath of life 2 I’m now consistently getting to map 7 without any deaths. Won’t say my speed rank is great but I rather have one subpar stat than both speed and survival being bad.
Wow, I really HATE Veronica in Tempest Mode! Her Fury skill is so annoying, not to mention her ability to heal every single turn! They get to easily beat this mode with their Hectors and Azuras without dying, but not me, since I don’t have Hector or Azura! IT’S NOT FAIR, COMPLETELY UNFAIR! At this point, it’s gonna take FOREVER to get “Marth” on my team, but by then, not only will this Tempest Mode disappear, but “Marth” as well!
This is BULLCRAP! Despite my best efforts, this God forsaken mode just keeps forcing me to puss out! If only I have more powerful heroes instead of crappy ones (Wrys, I’m looking at you, you old coot)!
The difficulty is fine as it is (even the bullshit +60 HP heroes I run into since its no uncommon for games to beef up their units unnaturally during battles). The main issue is the amount of points they give out just doesn’t add up along with the AP requirements. They honestly should do an update pretty soon and change things because this current system sucks.
Normal Should be 10 AP, Hard 15, & Lunatic 20
Beef up the amount of points you get as the difficulty raises (even more than it already is). Because max I can ever get on the last Lunatic is around 500-700 with 4-5 of my units dying. Reaching the final reward….yeah….that will take a while (if I ever decide to play that long. Because this is a more of “kill time” game and not “sit on the couch for 2+ hours and play it” game). Also considering the amount of time you have to put into Lunatic Battles, the reward doesn’t justify the time spent on it if actually succeeding.
And this is coming from a p2p with decent units to play the final map. Considering I’ve also been playing Fate Grand Order and Granblue Fantasy…..this event really pales in comparison to theirs when it comes to the point/reward system.
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too bad the case isn’t available for samsung (let alone my s6) :
however the keychains are incredibly cute! i already have kjelle and severa rubber keychains so i might get the acrylic ones…. i want cynthia too! never had her as a rubber one
looking at amiami totally rekindled my interest in the shiida nendo :^(((
Swift Sparrow is now no longer a limited skill, so that’s nice. Ploy skills have infinite range in cardinal directions. That’s just plain silly. I think these skills will prove devastating, and will see use everywhere. Firesweep Lance is very strong. You can’t put a wielder of it on the front lines (they will just become fodder), but it synergizes really well with skills like Drag Back, or with a seal skill, as you can then apply the effects of these skills for free, without fear of retaliation. Sturdy Blow… dunno how good that’ll be. Fire Boost will be hot (pun intended) on slow, high HP units, in particular Armours.
in particular a giant fuck you to -blade tome users. which was needed. so apparently they are countering power creep with units that counter said counter creeps.
Yeah. Now also, you may have spotted Legion in the trailer, apparently his Axe also has a Panic effect, turning buffs into debuffs, so yet more tools to counteract buff-centric builds and compositions when we get access to him.
I want Katarina so much now.
Also, if there’s gonna be a remake of New Mystery, it’d be like a remake of the remake. I personally would like it if the FE Switch game coming next year is actually a true remake of FE3, where we have Book 1 and Book 2 that explains the story of Shadow Dragon and then New Mystery. I wanna see how they handle that. Maybe if they still keep the Avatar system for the case of Kris, they’ll have adjustments made so it isn’t about Kris being Marth’s and other character’s center.
Oh wow, 4 new characters from New Mystery of the Emblem that was never released in North America? Well, in that case, I can never get those New Heroes, since this game hates me and my summoning skills, forcing me to make a miracle!
I really hope that they add Female Robin in some form in the game. I’m fine if, for example, Robin’s male in the story but can be switched or costumed to a female during gameplay. If Robin remains strictly male, I’m going to be mad.
Course they also failed to add Groose in Hyrule Warriors, so…
No need to be rude. I’m just upset how much they throw the female variant of Robin under the bus, whereas Corrin shows both genders in a more equal standing. It’s as if Robin is only male, and that representation really rubs me the wrong way.
Also I really don’t have a preference for Corrin’s gender. I’m genuinely surprisingly they went with the female actually, but I do think a male Corrin should be an option as well.
While personally I prefer male Robin, I think that you should keep your hopes up for a female Robin being in Warriors. Normally when they do Awakening material in FE Spin-offs there’s either a heavy focus on Chrom or on Lucina. While it’s not 100% possibility, I’ve noticed that when Lucina is the focus (Such as in Smash Bros.) we get Male Robin, while when Chrom is the focus (like in Cipher series 1) we get the Female Robin. Since Chrom’s so present in these early trailers and teasers, I would bet by bottom dollar that female Robin at least gets to make an appearance!
As far as I’m concerned though this whole community is flipping out over nothing – everyone’s so salty over this game and we’ve barely seen anything other than exactly what you would expect so far. I’m sure the real surprises are still to come.
I 100% agree, we know maybe 1% about the game and we have reddit having a shit storm because OW NO sword users lol. This is why I lose faith in people on the internet, and I come off cold. So I em sorry to Fastesthe1 if I come off pissed or angry.
They also said that chars can use different weapons, which is why I think Robin will be male and Corrin will be female. I also don’t see a skin in release of game due to the fact they will want to add as many different chars to make those “Salty” reddit people happy haha.
Hyrule Warriors had plenty of skins to pay homage to the Legend of Zelda series, certainly we could at the very least get a skin of Female Robin like in Smash!
Actually, if we didn’t get skins at all I would be somewhat surprised…
Would have been nice to see at least 1 character outside the new games, people would have gotten hype af if they showed Ike/Roy/Hector/etc. Guess we’re gonna have to wait for more info on the next main title tho.
It means we’re getting shifters in this game too, I know it’s unlikely we’ll see any laguz but I’d kill for the chance to mow down armies with Caineghis
I think its 100% that we will get dragon forums, I mean the levels even have the FE style RNG leveling system! They are taking every thing they can from FE and putting into warriors! Super Hyped!
They just showed Tiki amiibo so no, we have other chars too. Maybe wait for more news before jumping the gun like every reddit user is doing right now.
YEAH CHEESY GENERIC HERO DIALOGUE
YEAH MOTHER WHO EXISTS ONLY TO BE NICE AND GET KILLED OFF
YEAH BIG EVIL DRAGON THAT PROBABLY WONT GET BACKSTORY
YEAH SWORDS YEAH
NINTENDO WON E3 BY SHOWING US THE SAME OLD IPs GUYS
My personal salt aside I still can’t wait to give this a try, it’ll be the first Musou game I’ve given a shit about since Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes. If you can technically call that game one.
If New Mystery gets in the works, I will buy it because I did liked the DS remake and I hoped that maybe it can follow the Echoes route of including voice acting.
Eck, I might actually mute the game if I end up getting Athena. Gregor totally pulls the foreign accent better. Plus it looks like they had Elliwood’s artist draw her -_-….you know, I really don’t get why companies don’t just look around on pixiv for potential character artists more often. It’s almost like they’re obligated in just keeping the same workers for the character designs. On the plus side, 3 out of the 4 are red so it’ll be easier in focusing on orbs (since I really just want Katarina and Luke).
It’ll be interesting to see how bow and tome user will work in this game.
Better yet, Pegasus Knights and Wyvern Riders! :O I seriously wonder how they’ll work…
Warriors have done stuff like Bows & Tomes in the past (not in an FE style of course), but yeah I agree i’m very curious to see how they handle the Pegasus & Wyverns.
I think they’ll handle flying characters the same way they handled Medli in HW and Marco in PW. Just incorporate aerial combos in most of their attacks.
Marco from PW is the closest thing to a full-blown aerial fighter in a Musou game then. He still moves on the ground when not attacking, but while attacking, he can stay in the air indefinitely. Unless you want to also count the Gundams that have flight boosters.
I wonder if they are going to add male Corrin into this game as a skin option for this Corrin. I also think it’s possible that he will be added as an additional character, possibly being Hoshido Prince as opposed to her Nohr Princess (maybe even focusing more on dragon than swords for the weapon).
*Fingers crossed chanting under breath* Roy reveal, Roy reveal, we already have Marth so there’s no reason not to put Roy in, Roy reveal, Roy reveal, come on guys, don’t let me down…
used my 180 orbs I have been saving for the last month got everyone but Athena who I arguably wanted the most, guess I hope she is a 4 star after this. Got Rodrick on a no red circle. Is a -HP +Atk Karatina good though?
Legion’s gimmick in New Mystery of the Emblem is that he’s always surrounded by countless exact copies of himself who he calls his “brothers”. And from the looks of this, this GHB is going to emulate that gimmick. Apparently, this GHB will feature reinforcements, too, which means we’ll probably see even more of him than just the two we see here. That’s gonna be fun… Oh and this man hits hard and fast, too, so watch out.
Looking this map, probably smart to open up by luring out the mages on both sides and if possible kill them on the counter. Man, if only I had a good Blue Tome user somewhere…
What if the current New Mystery banner IS the GHB banner, since it already comes with plenty of new red units? (That said, I haven’t really paid much attention to the banners so could be wildly mistaken).
GHB banners thus far have never included new units, and the banner would’ve also been called the “Battling Legion” banner. Besides, you fight much more than just Legion himself, and GHB banners usually account for that as well. This GHB is gonna get a seperate banner.
Yep hyper of Echoes totally over, so much stuff to get over it.
Anyway one of the Legions got his special ready so can we assume this GHB banner will have a mage, a dagger user or a acher?
Why are there 2 Legions? Is this because he said “we” instead of “I” or something? Anyway, this is just another Grand Hero Battle that I can never beat so easily.
HOLY CRAP WHY HAVEN’T I MOVED TO JAPAN YET
Seriously…The CD…Stand with Chibi Elise/Sakura…Camilla/Hinoka Playmat…Elise/Sakura Playmat…Special Marker Card…Sakura Sleeves…Severa Sleeves…the Card Binder…heck, even the Pen and T-shirt! SOMEBODY SET ME UP
I wish I could go to one of these events, especially with the chance to meet some of the artists for the actual games. But alas, that won’t be happening anytime soon…
WHAT?! INFERNAL MODE?! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! And with enemy reinforcements, I will fight more than just one Legion, as well as more powerful enemies?! …I’m f***ed!
At least you don’t get anything new from it, so you’re not missing out on much. Just another copy of Legion 4* and 2000 feathers. So you don’t have to feel too obliged to complete it.
Another 4-Star Legion? Crap, I thought I would get a 5-Star Legion for completing Infernal mode, but the 2000 feathers are new to me. That mode is just asking me to complete it if I can, otherwise it would just mock me!
Nintendo took the gloves off. Got the 3 star and can survive around 5 turns on infernal I may overreacting a bit but the pressure I felt is like the final chapter of the Shadow Dragon all over again with no warp staves.
It was hell, but I did Infernal after like 15 tries! And I still only barely scraped by. This one was a real headache, alright. My heroes were Sanaki (with Axebreaker), Ryoma, Nino and Ninian. It took me several tries with this team alone, it all came down to specific positioning decisions. Might’ve been more luck than wisdom, but hey, I’ll take it!
I’m not about to go into an arguement over what constitutes as strategic value, so I’ll just say I respectfully disagree. Having the right units helps of course, but I do think there’s more strategy than you’re giving it credit for.
I’d love to hear your arguments for that, since I’m genuinely curious about what deranged form of strategy you are experiencing with this game. But since I’m currently without a PC and despise typing on my phone, I’ll avoid making a long winded ordeal out of this. Just saying that the main purpose of this game is a cashgrab, and that is reflected in the gameplay. Literally every single map in this game can be flawlessly completed if you have exactly the perfect units for the job. No exceptions. And how do you get those units? Well, you see where I’m getting with this.
Not exactly what I would call proper strategy. But it’s decent enough to play on the go, so I’ll give it that.
Not to the same degree. In the main games, there’s a lot of external factors to contend with as well, and you have to decide what to do if an unit falls, unless you’re ironmanning. Plus there’s always the off chance that units will be rng screwed. Here, there’s no permadeath, rng is predetermined, and the maps are tiny, limiting strategies immensely. But now that I think about it a bit, this game has better value than Awakening in that particular department. At least the maps aren’t only open fields in Heroes, but they might as well be considering what the rest of the game is.
Okay, look, I won’t deny for a second that Heroes at its cored is very simplified compared to the usual Fire Emblem, but I don’t think that means it requires no meaningful strategy at all, which you seem to believe. Yes, if you have the perfect units, you can flawlessly clear any map. Emphasis on “if”. As a fully F2P player myself, no, I’m not going to have all the best units, and all the best skillsets on said units, let alone be able to merge them to become even stronger. And not everyone is going to have the same units available to them, aside from what’s handed out directly for free through quests and such (assuming you even got it at that point). Since the tools everyone has to work with differ from player to player (and again, especially if you’re F2P like me), you’re frequently gonna have to improvise some, and that makes up for the lack of in-battle RNG that would otherwise force improvisation when things don’t go according to plan. In fact, given the nature of Heroes, it’s probably a good thing this game doesn’t have in-battle RNG. I do happen to have some very good units through luck, enough so to clear this map on Infernal difficulty, but this new GHB map is still no joke. Again, I cleared it with the above team, but it still took me several tries with that very team, because my choice in actions and positioning kept putting me in trouble. These Grand Hero Battles are designed with much more care than the randomized Training Tower maps, and the Legion GHB kicks off a new set of them that clearly has set out to shake up the pace some.
Yeah, that’s definitely fair enough. And to be honest, this type of marketing now exists in the mainline FE as well in the form of dlc, which could be likened to purchasing heroes in this one. If anything, that’s probably what I’m mad about more than anything. I don’t like when FE is built around that, since it implies near-infinite gameplay and grinding, which I feel detracts from the gameplay even further, and more often than not leads to lazy gaming. But this game needs to be ‘infinite’ as it’s defined for its business to succeed. I just prefer more compact experiences that have good replay value in that form instead. Those are, to me, much more stimulating than the 3DS titles (+heroes).
It’s obvious what kind of business model Heroes is running, and I sure don’t intend to ever spend money on it (I’ll leave that up to the whales), but at the same time, for what it’s worth, I do think FE: Heroes is quite F2P friendly. Granted, I haven’t played much of this style of game to have much of a frame of reference, but I do appreciate the lack of “HEY, THIS REQUIRES ORBS, GO BUY SOME RIGHT NOW” pop ups everywhere that I feel like other games often like to do. Handouts in general are also frequent. For what it is, I like how FE: Heroes is handled.
It’s good enough for its purpose, I’d say. Not really the type of game I’ll play years down the line like I will with other FE’s, since the constant grinding is bound to get terribly boring after some time. At least it will for me, since I hate grinding in these games. Same reason why I’m not going to play FE2/8/13/15 again for quite some time.
Got the 3-star Legion on the 2nd try and I think I won’t even bother with harder difficulties this time, because Tempest Trials are more important. Also, I hope limited heroes will returm someday, because I failed to get Charlotte, the Money Maiden.
I got a 3-Star Legion. It’s bad enough I would take on Lunatic mode, now there’s Infernal mode?! …Wait, don’t tell me, they’re gonna add Infernal mode on Chapters, Paralogues, and Xenologues in the future?! Oh God, NO!
Do we know who’s going to voice Shade? They keep bringing up the VAs for the other three in other events, but I don’t recall seeing anything mentioning what to expect from her VA in anything at all since the DLC was revealed. Are they keeping everyone in the dark or just us here?
Shade’s Japanese voice actress is Hibiku Yamamura, who was already a guest back during the Spring livestream (which also happened to be when the voice actors for all the Cipher characters were announced). She is also the voice of Rinea.
I finally got a 4-Star Legion from Lunatic, but not from Infernal! I’m crazy enough to play on Lunatic mode, but Infernal mode?! HELL NO! Especially when I still don’t have any other powerful units, no Hector, no Azura, no Ryoma, no Julia, no nothing! F*CK!
Well, I tried Infernal mode, and I lost, several times! I keep on watching the “How to beat Legion on Infernal mode” videos, but none of that stuff is working! They beat it with powerful allies (i.e. Ryoma, Azura, Julia. Hector) and their inheritance skills (i.e. Drag Back on any of those characters besides Nino, and Reposition on any of those characters besides Barst)! THEY F***ING CHEATED!! …I quit, I’m going back to Tempest Trials!
It’s on youtube if you don’t believe me. It basically boils down to several tries to see what the AI does, and building a strategy knowing exactly who will show up where.
The units looks great! The problem is… what party should I put each pair? Alm’s Party or Celica’s Party…
Also, I am waiting for these four units make a appearance in FE Heroes…
Nobody has proof, but with their release in Echoes it seems likely that they’ll do a banner with the four of them at some point to get people to buy more Orbs if for no other reason. It also seems like a good way to continue to test the waters to see if Cipher would sell worldwide, so I for one think they’ll for sure be in Heroes at some point, we just don’t know how long it’ll be before they reach that point.
Allright, I understood but I hope for a banner before that (nothing personal) with missing units, like a other green dragon or even another dancer/singer.
I’m going with Yuzu and Shade on Alm’s side since more mages there is always good. If Emma was separate than I would throw her on Alm’s side too. But I want Lando on Celica’s side. Too much Cavaliers on Alm’s already. So Emma and Lando go to Celica as a result.
No Infernal for me; I had a hard enough time with Lunatic for this one. Had to train up my new Katarina before I could beat it, because none of my usual Red units were cutting it against Legion.
Oh, you’ve got to be freaking kidding me! Just one Orb from all three difficulties, as opposed to the Dueling Swords and Stamina Potions?! Cheapskates! I hate it when they do that!
Be happy you can get orbs for free in the first place. And this runs for 3 weeks, with every set of quests running for a week. Assuming the rewards stay the same, that’s a total of 9 orbs, 21 Stamina Potions and 42 Dueling crests to be earned. How can you possibly complain about that? It’s not even hard at all.
True, that is a LOT of dueling crests. You only even need to use one or two per week just to meet all the quests anyway. May as well stock up. And the stamina potions can help with any last minute tempest trial grinding to be done.
If the info on that Wayward Lance is accurate, it’s straight garbage. The base stats already are crap, and the Heaven or Hell combat arts is pure RNG. The other 2 weapons at least seem decent. The Trainee Lance’s ability is great, but it’s on a lackluster weapon (hopefully it can be forged up in power). The Warrior’s Sword seems to be the best of the bunch with the best base stats and a solid ability.
The characters themselves seem pretty good with solid bases and growths (dat 10 Res growth on Emma). Though it is a shame that Yuzu gets basically nothing in regard to Spells, meaning unless you reclass her, with one of your precious 3 Villager’s Forks, she’s just an inferior Dreadfighter with basic spells.
Shade gets virtually everything while Yuzu gets virtually nothing. It’s such a contrast. I guess that’s supposed to reflect the experience gap between the two or something? Other than that, I have no idea why there’s a stark contrast here between characters when it comes to spell distribution.
I’ll probably go through with it and reclass Yuzu to Dread Fighter to be honest. That just feels right to me somehow, in addition to being arguably more useful
Well, besides Mage!Faye, Yuzu is the only Priestess that can use Sagittae, that might have been the idea. That and forcing you to use her as basically a Swordmaster.
These characters are basically Awakening characters: funny, quirky, light-hearted. I like them, and I liked Awakening, but I don’t know how well they fit in Echoes. What do people think?
Funny, quirky, and light-hearted characters existed in other titles, too. Not just Awakening. There’s L’Arachel from Sacred Stones, Nino from Blazing Sword, Delthea from Gaiden/Echoes, freaking Oliver from the Radiant Series.
I think they’ll fit into Echoes just fine. Their designs are still in the same style of Echoes and they’re integrated with the way the game works as well. Story-line wise, I’m sure they’ll be irrelevant, however.
You are not wrong. I would argue that in some cases, Nino and Delthea, there’s depth there too, while L’arachel was always a little, but acceptably ridiculous, and Radiant Dawn Oliver was totally ridiculous to me. I feel like there’s a difference, especially since Echoes is one of the more serious titles, but maybe I’m wrong.
They do have final battle quotes, supports, and endings and such, which is really cool, so they’re hardly more irrelevant than Valbar, Leon, and Kamui kind of are.
Nah, you’re not. I mean, this IS a remake of a game from 1992, so no doubt the approach to creating FE games were different back then. Things change as time goes on. Dust to dust, as they say.
Supports, I get but final battle quotes and endings? Huh. Wow, they’re really trying to integrate them into Echoes. But we’ll see.
How, exactly? I disagree. Thing is, Echoes does have depth and variety, it’s just that it cannot be compared to Awakening and Fates. It’s in a league of its own. Gaiden was well-known for doing a lot of things differently which gave it its black-sheep reputation.
One example I can give that showcases the depth and variety is how inventory works. There’s a lot of strategic depth to it. You can make your unit more defensive by giving them shields or more offensively potent by giving them a stronger weapon. You’re constantly weighing pros and cons of how your units can work best with what items.
Also, you get three pitchforks through free DLC. So you don’t have to pay anything for it and you can make multiple save files to experiment with what combinations of three units to give your pitchforks to.
Echoes is in a League of it own as far as depth and variety goes, that is to say several league below Fates.
The only thing that is different enough in Echoes from Fates is the existence of shields, though Fates still has similar functionality to it’s weapons so that difference is still very small. And I still found the weapon balance and system from Fates overall better than Echoes. Also, I was never having to weigh the pros and cons of inventory in echoes because late game inventory always outclassed early game ones.
And as far as the pitchforks goes, it’s still only 3, and each character is restricted to 5 class paths for males and 4 for females. Compared to Fates where you have unlimited access to Heart, Partner, and Friendship seals being limited only by you gold supply plus the ones you obtain naturally while playing the game. On top of this each character has 2 class sets that branch into 4 paths, then can gain access to many more with usage of the Partner and Friendship seals. And as far as multiple save files goes…Fates also allows this, it’s not an Echoes unique feature.
If I were to give, for the sake of argument, Fates a 10/10 in regards to the depth and variety it’s gameplay offers, Echoes is a 3/10. It doesn’t completely lack any, but by comparison to it’s predecessors, Echoes is shite.
Predecessor? Gaiden is the predecessor, Echoes is a remake of Gaiden, of course it’s not gonna throw in all of this crazy new stuff found in awakening/fates that wouldn’t make it a remake but an entirely new game. They had to keep certain mechanics so it wouldn’t lose itself and just become the next ‘Fates’ and honestly I’m happy about that. I prefer the simplicity, but I’m biased seeing as my favorite FE games are the GBA and GC games, which in those games everyone was locked into a specific class (with the exception of a few units) and there was almost zero grinding (except for in Sacred Stones with the tower or the arenas but those were risky). I’m not saying crazy amounts of customization is a bad thing but I believe it would’ve changed this game far too drastically to the point where it would no longer be Gaiden. But that’s just my two cents.
I want to make something clear, I don’t actually hate Echoes as a whole, and I don’t begrudge anyone who likes it; it actually makes me happy to see so many people enjoy this game. I personally found several problems with it, even when not compared with the other 2 3DS titles but with even the GBA or SNES ones. I’ve played the original Gaiden before I played even Awakening and from the start I hated the gameplay, and not because of the bad UI.
I understand people like the, “it’s a remake” argument, but that shouldn’t stop it from being it own thing and not just a prettier version of the original. New Mystery did plenty of things different from FE3, and it was a solid remake (I’m ignoring Shadow Dragon) while still not binding itself to the restrictions of “it’s a remake.”
Now with Echoes, it had a lot of great ideas: Mila’s Turnwheel being the single best idea any FE game has come up with, and it needs to become a staple of the franchise. I liked the idea behind combat arts, but it needs fixing in that the skills are like Radiant Dawn’s 3rd tier class skills all over again, unbalanced and enemies can never have them. Dungeons are a great idea, but the repetitiveness of the battles made dungeons a chore rather than a joy. I really loved that lower ranked weapons can be forged and upgraded to higher ranked ones, and if they were to ever make a FE4 remake, this is something they’ll need to incorporate into it. And I’d even say that this feature made the forging system better in Echoes than in Fates, though I do still prefer the more customizable aspect that Path of Radiances started.
Again, I don’t begrudge anyone who likes this game, I didn’t, but I want I.S. to take notes of the dos and don’ts for the next remake. This is why I try to always have discussions and break the echo cambers that exist within this community currently, because that’s will make the community better.
That’s a pretty poor spell list for Yuzu, gimmick of being one of only two Priestess in the game to have Sagittae only gets you so far. I could reclass her, but perhaps I’ll just throw a Lady Sword at her instead.
My prediction is that it’ll come down to either Elise or Sakura, at the very least one of the 2 will be the ones to advance to the finals. On the other end, it’s not as easy to predict, but my money would be on either Lissa or Priscilla, but in the end I think that it’ll be one of the Fates girls.
Well, gee, I can’t tell who’s gonna win in this Voting Gauntlet, so chances are that I’m gonna lose if I choose a character who will have less votes. Also, yay for 10000 Universal Crystals, but boo for 10 Orbs! Cheapskates! Just 10 Orbs is not enough to summon more new Heroes, you know!
My guesses: Lissa, Sakura, Priscilla and Lachesis (I’m the least sure about Lachesis or Maria, Maria is FAR more common) win the first round, then Lissa and Sakura for the final. I’m going Mist at first, she’s my favorite healer anyway.
RIP Lando’s name. I mean, Randal’s not bad but it’s just not gonna be the same. Also, the heck went wrong with Shade’s portrait for the lower screen? She looks super psycho.
Bummer about Genny not competing (maybe it’s because she is too OP with her Wrathful Staff skill), but hey, at least that old coot Wrys won’t compete at all, this is clearly a “Cleric girls ONLY” tournament.
You wanna know what bites? There’s no more Light’s Blessings items! Why the hell can’t we get more Light’s Blessings anymore?! I need those to clear Chapter 9-5 Lunatic Quest, for crying out loud!
This has to be for the whales, right? I mean, who would spend orbs on basically SI fodder (and Eldigan, I guess), if the chance of getting them anyway is so small?
Well, I’m F2P and I spent a few orbs on the Vantage banner, got really lucky and legitimately turned the 5* Gordin and 5* Reinhardt I got into SI fodder… my barracks are almost full, I have a Bridelia and another Reinhardt, so it was really weird, but I did use two 5* units as SI fodder… (for Ryoma and Hector) (I have very few 5* units, but I got mostly lucky with the ones I got)
Meanwhile I got a 5* Peri on the same banner with a bad nature and have no idea what to do with her at all. Bad good luck?
I might try one round on this to get Eldigan, but I doubt my luck will be that good again, and I have almost no orbs left.
Hmm, I might get Eldigan, since I never got him way before. But then again, I don’t have enough Orbs, plus I don’t have all the Clerics who are gonna compete in the Voting Gauntlet.
Oh GREAT, yet another Grand Hero Battle that I can never win…on Infernal mode! Well, to hell with this Infernal Grand Hero Battle, I’m going back to the Voting Gauntlet!
You don’t even have a real job, kid. Also, joke’s on you, they don’t hire those who “complain”, which I never do. I bet you had a Godawful time on the Legion Infernal mode, too.
Using “kid” to try and validate yourself by being older. How cute.
And- in any case- I beat you in that department, “kid”.
And, you’re absolutely right. I can pay my bills, taxes, rent, food, car, and the occasional orbs all through my charm alone. It’s fantastic. You should try it.
The only thing that’s cute is you thinking that you’ve won and thinking that you actually have a real life, which you didn’t. Also, you don’t look “charming”, we all know you’re just a little fat troll breathing on a computer and living under your mommy’s basement. No wonder your name is “Stranger”, you’ve been making strange things, in a loser way. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck losing in the Voting Gauntlet, childish troll. Ha ha!
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!! I’m not gonna bother wasting all my stamina for that God forsaken Infernal mode, but isn’t there any player who beat Clarisse in Lunatic mode WITHOUT AZURA OR HECTOR OR ANY POWERFUL UNITS?! It’s not fair they beat this challenge with Azura or Hector or ANY powerful units, even WITH their Skill Inheritance! WHY?!
Infernal/Lunatic is possible without Azura or Hector, but you do need a unit with Sing/Dance (even a Level 1 Olivia can work) and probably a really tanky unit and a really hard-hitting one. I beat it with Young Tiki as the tank and Bride Cordelia as the heavy hitter. I did use Azura, but she only used sing. I also had Sakura with Rehabilitate to heal Young Tiki multiple times.
I actually beat all three modes on the first try with Horse Emblem. I didn’t even really struggle. I say this because I think it’s pretty obvious that Horse is broken, but it’s also not very hard to build. I use Xander, Camus, and Cecilia, all of whom are free. That with a free Olivia is probably solid enough to get pretty far. I’ll admit I took a liberty with Triangle Adept Cecilia, who is no doubt my MVP, and does require some lucky inheritance, but there’s a framework for any F2P player (which I am)
Pretty much agree that this infernal is f2p beatable. I mean it just depends on if f2p players actually used their feathers on good units like Xander or Camus. For me it was:
I used a 5 Camus, 5 Lilina, 5 Azura, & 5 Priscilla . Camus and
Lilina were obviously 4 stars that were upgraded. Azura doesn’t matter
as she didn’t battle, only thing you need is a Dancer so Oliviva would
be a good substitute. Any healer would do, but I found the mobile healer
movement to be better, so you could have used Clairine. I originally had Goad Cavalry on Priscilla to support Camus but then I realized I never equipped it to her….and she was never next to Camus for the Spur Def to actually to effect.
I only had to use 1 stamina potion to
figure this out….unlike Legion where I poured in 5+.
It’s definitely possible. I beat it with two Olivias, Sharena and Xander without any skill inheritance. Xander can easily deal with the archer, ninja, red sword and green mage, so the rest is just clean up. I imagine Triangle Adept Robin would do pretty well too though.
Beat Lunatic just now. Switched Male Robin out for Ninian instead. Along with Nowi as my main tank, Celica to kill the green mage and tank the ninja. And Camilla to secure the kills.
I managed Inferno with Azura (+def -atk), Xander, Camus, and Julia (+spd -hp) all 5*. My camus is a fury vantage build, my xander is an atk+3 quick reposte build, and my azura has wings of mercy as her only inherited skill, and julia didn’t need anything special. I barely managed to beat this though with xander pulling off some mad tanks by waiting on the fort turn one after getting hone res from azura. After which I pulled him back and had camus tank with julia taking out clarisse and tanking the shuriken. Afterwards it was quick clean up. In the end, everyone’s hp was in the danger area with azura being the only double digits. This map was significantly easier than Legion’s.
But there aren’t many axe units in Awakening, Fates, and Shadow Dragon, Plus Hector is the Only Axe weilding lord in the series if you don’t count class changing.
That is actually disappointing, the Lord characters were all unique units in their respective games, the sad point of thier choice to then limit it to only three games kinda makes the idea of cutting down the roster more like their shooting themselves in the foot considering the roster for the Warriors Orochi line has almost 100 characters if not more.
Did they say that’s the focus? If so, I’m not buying it. Other games in the franchise need love. I would even take an FE4 character over anybody from Fates, even though I’m not a big fan of FE4’s huge maps. And, while I loved Awakening, I’m honestly so bored with it now. Shadow Dragon I could never get into, except for some of FE3, but even then I stopped after a while.
I’m feeling this is gonna be like Hyrule Warriors, where they picked characters from the current three most popular games (Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword) and then for the DLC they picked from the rest of the series. And it makes sense. The overall consensus in the Fire Emblem fandom loved and still loves the shit out of Awakening and Fates, despite what the vocal minority says (as sales numbers don’t lie) and Shadow Dragon is there for the token “game that started it all” deal (and its also apparently very popular in Japan).
Not surprised at all about Robin being in. I was on the fence about whether or not they would include Lissa, yet not surprised that they did. With this game being what it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got 15 characters from Awakening alone.
Oddly enough, I actually prefer it the other way around, with Female Robin and Male Corrin…
But I do hope the two are added at least, perhaps as alternate skins. Dynasty Warriors had costumes in the past, it wouldn’t be unreasonable for them not to include them this time.
Oh sweet Karma. I blew through all my orbs on the Katarina banner (and purchased $13 more) to get absolute ass (not even good SI fodder). I do a total of 3 summons with the free orbs I earned I pull Summer Frederick (+SPD -RES so it seems workable) and 5 star Minerva (….but she has bad IVs. At the very least I can give her Life and Death to someone else)
I figure this is probably part of the model, but I think they need to shuffle which heroes are found at which rarity. They seem to keep adding 5* units (with unique skills besides), while leaving the number of available 3* star units the same and marginally changing the number of 4* units. It seems like then that most players will never see some of these new units or skills and that any given 5* unit will become harder to get. I mean, are they really telling me that Boey can’t be available as a 3*?
Technically, Lissa is a Cleric (in addition to wielding Axes as a War Cleric), and Robin uses both Swords & Tomes. The latter will most-likely use both in a single moveset.
There’s also an amiibo of Tiki created specifically for this game so, out of all characters confirmed/revealed so far, she solely makes use of a Dragonstone.
Also technically, both Corrin & Lianna make use of magic in their movesets (a Dragonstone for the former).
So… if your concern is an overabundance of “swords” (sword-users), then there’s technically only FIVE characters so far that purely use a sword and nothing else (rather than all 13 revealed so far).
Sword-only units: Marth, Chrom, Ryoma, Xander, Rowan, Lianna. So six, not five. (And seven if Lucina is in.)
Unless you try to say that if they’re in a class that can use another weapon, they will – in which case, Chrom, Xander and Lucina can all technically use Lances, even though their Prfs and main weapons are Swords.
Sword units with additional weapons: Robin, Corrin.
Non-sword users: Lissa.
That’s 10 units, including Lucina. Not sure where you’re getting 13 revealed. For 10 units, that’s a lot of swords, especially for a game where the devs said they wanted to avoid a “meetup of the lords” because of weapon variety.
Xander is a cavalier, not a sword-only unit. Plus, he’s still able to throw his Siegfried like a javelin. Lianna’s capable of Light Magic in her moveset, so not a pure sword-user. Lastly, Chrom makes use of a Lance in part of his moveset (specifically throwing a lightning-charged one).
Robin is most likely going to utilize a Sword-and-Tome moveset, ala Takakage Kobayakawa, and Corrin makes use of her Dragonstone in most of her special (“charge”) moves.
Oh WOW, that is one hell of an update! Here’s my reaction to this:
Chain Challenge: 80 stages? Damn, that’s a whole lot of stages to complete the challenges.
Squad Assault: My units can get captured by the enemies, in this mode where it’s the most difficult of all, Lunatic, and/or Infernal?! …Gulp!
Tempest Trials: Well, it’s about time that the next upcoming Tempest Trials will have defeated enemies to stay defeated when I try again with a different team!
Please, not again. I paid almost £400 for the previous set, and I failed to get Charlotte. I wish I could pick any character I want, even as 1-star hero – that would be way better.
Started with 120 orbs ended with 12, but I did get Tiki (and one or two other nice things along the way)!
Of course, I was only rolling Green spheres, so who knows what I missed out on too…
Then I think I’d take Chrom X Ryoma, because then we have characters from different games conversing with eachother, and also funnily enough, two characters with the same voice actor.
Nice little surprise won’t be able to do it yet maybe near the end of the month I just got out of a 4 day stay in the hospital so mondo medical bill is incoming D:.
Weird choices… Tiki, not really an Awakening original character. Gaius, who already had a beach picture. Frederick is okay, and though I love Robin, I’m still questioning this group of characters in general. I hope there’s more later
LOL gdi haven’t they heard of loli love? You’re probably right though. They still could’ve used Olivia or something though.. Tiki’s a kinda weird choice.
Only one week to get 14 Orbs? Lame! On the bright side, the July Quests are coming up, along with more Orbs to earn. I’ll get those Summer Heroes yet! Good thing I have an entire month to do that.
Chapter 10 on Lunatic?! Do you have ANY idea how hellish it was, even more than Chapter 9 on Lunatic?! And still no Light’s Blessings?! GODDAMMIT!! Those cheapskates! This is a living hell without Light’s Blessings, I am NOT spending my Orbs to heal my Units, EVER!
Well, I’m sold on this game now. Robin’s in it, which practically guarantees a unique sword-and-tome moveset (ala Takakage Kobayakawa from SW4).
Of course, I was already sold after seeing Marth’s moveset in the demo. His is easily one of the best so far (better than Zelda’s Rapier moveset in Hyrule Warriors).
I personally have an Elibe bias but, knowing that this game most likely won’t feature characters that aren’t connected to Archanea in some way (different continent or different time; but still technically part of the same WORLD as Archanea), I’m still hoping for the two main characters of Gaiden/Echoes (Alm & Celica) in addition to Camus/Zeke & Walhart.
Yes, I knew Elise will win! Way to go, Nohrian Princess!
As for the next Tempest Gauntlet, I see that the characters from Fire Emblem Echoes are next. But wait! …What, no Celica?! That’s lame! We get to see Alm, but not Celica?! Weaksauce!
Yeah, I have only an untouched 4* Clair, and grinding my way up wasn’t exactly a fun time when I had the bonus units. Still, as unpleasant as they are, I still kind of feel the rewards make it worth it
So we have an archer Faye but not an archer Tobin? Alright then. I kind of doubt he’ll stand out among the g ‘ll ut of sword users in the game. I’m a little disappointed (and it’s not like Tobin would’ve been my pick for the next Echoes character)
Yeah… I am little disappoited too. In my opinion, the special unit for this Tempest Trial should had be Conrad, instead of Tobin. Oh well… at least I hope that Tobin have some special or passive skills, different from Masked Lucina who only had her sword.
Welp, I only have Clair and Sharena for the 20% bonus and nobody for the 40%. I didn’t summon on the summer banner, so I’ll give this SoV banner a shot, see if anything turns up. I don’t have a great track record for Focus units, though.
I was in the same boat… untill this morning.
I suddenly had like, 38 orbs. so even though I wasn’t interested, I decided to summon 1 red orb.
turns out it was 5* alm. which will go well with my 5* lv 39 celica. he is currently lv 30.
Hmm what did you guys think about the new gauntlet system? It was more … on edge and all, but it felt kind of unfair, or like it always has to be a tie now no matter what. Which kinda took out the fun for me. Everyone was always tying, and aside from that, Sakura and Elise had a way larger score than the other match-ups in the first round, but still tied with the others going forth. I don’t know if the score multiplier works when it’s “Same” but it’s still a bit boring this way to me. I would’ve liked to see how this one turned out for real since there wasn’t an obvious winner here.
;; Wow this made me realize I don’t have even one Echoes character.
People were getting sick of the landslide victories from the previous gauntlets, and IS hasn’t yet seemed to clue in on the fact that as long as someone from Fates/Awakening is included- they are going to win.
Ike, Hector, and Lyn are the only ones who stand a snowball’s chance in hell to ever win against the newer generations.
I understand, but it is called a “VOTING Gaunlet”, so, isn’t it only logical if the more popular one is the victor? The way it is now may as well be luck-based it seems. It’s really easy to win the gauntlet battles, so it’s not as though they can measure it according to wins/losses like Splatoon did.
Yeah, but Elise and Sakura had more than double the scores of all the other matchups at the beginning, so the fact it was a close tie and that Elise was losing half the time in the final round, shows how flawed the system is in my opinion.
Although, really- IS just needs to choose better characters and matchups- instead of pitting Usain Bolt against 90 year-old war veterans with missing legs and pretending Sgt. Limpy Stubbs has a chance.
I can agree with that, I’d rather have it that way as well. So I can just pick who I like, instead of having to factor in, “but if this character I like wins, then everyone’s going to whine that ‘SHE WON BC BOOBS'”
Okay, hold up. Tobin, out of all the characters from Fire Emblem Echoes, they picked Tobin? He’s not even THAT powerful! Masked Knight/Conrad is all powerful! It’s bad enough that Celica wasn’t featured, but they should’ve picked Conrad as a powerful hero reward, so why Tobin of all characters from Echoes?!
It sucks that I can’t get Alm nor Celica, but at least I can get more Orbs, yet I’m still in a dilemma of which heroes should I summon, Alm or the Ylissean Summer Heroes?! Talk about “unfair”!
I’m going with Summer heroes with the few orbs I have since there is a chance of getting Alm normally and they are purely temporary, or probably at best once a year.
Finally, I have beaten Clarisse on Infernal Mode, with my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Donnel, my 4-Star Ursula, and finally, my 5-Star Xander that I just unlocked! Suck it, Legion on Infernal Mode!
Saw this coming very obvious logical choices so pretty much Sakura and Elise will get their promoted weapon type and obvious cross healing sister supports with Lissa too that’ll be fun!
” so the surprise has been slightly ruined. “
“surprise”
Now we just have to wait for the obvious SD reveals and //maybe// we can get to some actual surprises
Actually, if you pay close attention, the scenes with Lissa wielding an axe have her in her War Cleric outfit, while her introduction has her in her starting Cleric outfit.
I knew the main Shepherds, Male Robin, Lissa, Frederick, and “Marth” (a.k.a. Lucina), would be confirmed. I wonder if the other main Hoshidan army (Hinoka, Takumi, and Sakura) and Nohrian army (Camilla, Leo, and Elise) would join?
Maybe… probably both royal families from Fates will be in the game, and Azura as well. Azura can be a interesting playable unit, swinging her lance as she dance on the battlefield.
Okay, what the hell?! It’s supposed to be named “Bond Hero Battle”, not “Bound Hero Battle”! How could they made such a simple typo?! Bunch of amateurs! Oh, and speaking of typos, Kirie, you misspelled “Boey”! Please fix it?!
(Sigh) Whatever, moving on! Of course they added Infernal mode for this battle against Alm and Celica! Jeez, earning new heroes from Infernal Grand Hero Battle is one thing, but beating Infernal Bond (excuse me, “Bound”) Hero Battle to earn the Orbs?! My God, have mercy, why don’t you, game?!
I did get the name fixed, thanks. I think the use of “Bound” in the name of the event is to reference the fact that the characters are bound together by fate. It has a very similar meaning in theme, just functioning as an adjective instead of “bond” which is a noun.
If you think you’re going to be figuratively banging your head against a wall trying to attempt Lunatic/Infernal, just wait for other people to do it, watch some video’s, ask for ideas, and see if you can’t get any inspiration from that. Even if you don’t have the exact same units, strategies can often be executed for the most part with comparable units as substitutes.
Heroes has been a lot of chokepoints and waves of enemies lately. I don’t know there are other ways to create difficulty in a game like this, but I’m definitely struggling to enjoy myself, and I’m more than well enough equipped to deal with what it’s been throwing at me.
Yes, I have beaten Hard, Lunatic, and that devilish Infernal modes of the “Bound Hero Battle” against Alm and Celica! All thanks to the video that I watched earlier today! And yet, from the new Tempest Trials Banner, THIS GAME STILL WON’T LET ME SUMMON ALM!!
So far, finding the Trials easier than last time to get through, with the big exception of the final map. I really, really lack the units to dispose of Celica safely and efficiently, and it kinda sucks. I’ve been having to fall back on a second team on that map on each of my runs so far, and that kinda poops on my score a little. It doesn’t help I’m stuck using Sharena to even have a score bonus, because despite trying, my luck on the banner for the 40% bonus units ahs been absolute garbage.
I’ve been able to bait Celica with most blue mages from the defensive tile. Primarily, I’ve used 4* cavalry buffed Ursula. I don’t know if that’s something people can easily employ. My vaunted F2P horse lineup has not had any difficulties, though I have been forced to forego the bonus. Still, I’m hitting 504 without issue and do plan to go for 99,999 again. Gotta get every orb I can.
I haven’t played it enough to know for sure, but there might be an exploitable AI pattern for this final map too (there was for the last Trial. Not attacking the armor right away would prevent Veronica and friend from descending for a couple of turns)
Yeah, I *think* you’re right. I’m not entirely sure, but I think this time it’s the ranged attacker on the far left of the map that’s the trigger for Celica to move on turn one. If you don’t bother them, she moves on turn 2 instead. This means you can try and bait the cavalry unit on the far right instead, and potentially dispose of them for free, provided you have the right units for the job.
Huh, so the final boss for the final map of this Tempest Trial is not Veronica, it’s Celica. Unfortunately, Celica is as ridiculously overpowered as Veronica was! Dammit!
The only good thing is that whenever my 4 characters die, the enemies that I’ve defeated stay defeated! So it’s showing me a little mercy for once.
Another lance cavalier in the GHB? Possibly. But idk, aren’t we getting Linus first? (And so another crappy axe user…)
Probably not this time, as Legion ghb just happened.
Maybe we finally get a mage GHB again.
To nitpick a little bit, it’s Velouria not Velour (though autocorrect did try to change that on me) and Kana instead of Kanna. If that’s too much, feel free to ignore me.
As for the art, like the Kanas a lot as well as the Shigure/Azura art, however, as much as I loved Future Past probably more than Awakening, I don’t ever want to hear about Heirs of Fate again
I have a bad habit of using the Japanese names accidentally because Fates was the first FE game for which I actively followed the Japanese release (and especially the children characters since I don’t really use them in play like I do first gen).
Funnily enough, Kinu/Selkie is usually the one that I’m WORST at (often I can’t even remember what her English name even is), which of course means that I was extra careful to make sure I used the English name in the article. I didn’t even realize I was wrong with the others.
I sometimes try to point out things like that so people know, but it really wouldn’t have been a big deal if you’d just ignored me. Besides, your articles are always such high quality anyway that I don’t usually see even things little like this.
I also tend to ignore the children in Fates. Corrin having a child is not nearly as adorable as Robin having a child
Baha thanks for answering, that’s pretty funny. Mainly the Selkie part. I had that issue too, especially that I couldn’t get myself to stop calling Leo “Leon” even though it’s only one letter off.
I already happen to have both Sanaki and Nino at 5-stars myself, but this is a really good banner. All these units are at least good, and Nino is excellent.
This is the first time I have all the Heroes of a banner already, and that’s amazing! Too bad I already blew my Orbs on the Tempest banner (and haven’t gotten a single 5-Star, let alone a Focus Hero, come on RNGesus…)
Sanaki is the only character from this new banner that I never summoned, so I might as well try to summon her. But then again, I’m desperately still spending Orbs to summon Alm from that new Tempest Trials banner, and I’m STILL FAILING TO DO SO, GODDAMMIT!!
Hahahahahaha, look at them trying so desperately to get me to spend my Orbs. Too bad for them I already have Female Corrin and 5-Star Sanaki, and I don’t particularly feel the need to get Nino. Now if it was a “Heroes with Galeforce” Focus…
I think the best unit to have in the final map is Azura, specially if she has distant counter.
If only I had lots of Hectors around I could give her distant counter.
This might sound strange, probably, but she should be the best red mage counter due to high res and gem weapon.
Oh GREAT, a special event to interrupt the Tempest Trials! Then again, I MUST get those Orbs by completing these maps! But oh boy, those characters are too OP! At least there’s no Lunatic or even worse: Infernal!
And what do we have here? Gasp, it’s Lord Berkut, a villain from Fire Emblem Echoes! …No doubt this next Grand Hero Battle will also have that dreaded Infernal mode, guaranteed! Christ!
Kotaro maps done, pretty easy, but alongside the quests, hey, I’ll take the 12 free orbs. Don’t feel like summoning off any of the current banners right now, so I get to stockpile orbs for a change.
Daily quests kinda came out of nowhere. But in my daily FEH routine, I clear all those quests anyway, so hey, more free stuff.
And then there’s Berkut. Really cool. Gonna be interesting to see what sort of skills he runs and what his stat spread will be. I guess they’ll give him his personal lance from his last battle in SoV (watch it be another Distant Counter weapon). But beyond that? Who knows?
Okay, NOW I’m stuck at Part 4 Hard mode! Isn’t there ANY video about how to beat these stages WITHOUT THOSE GODDAMN HACKS WITH THEIR AZURA AND HECTOR AND WHAT NOT?!
The fact both Mathilda and Gray are wielding weapons that are effective against cavalry makes me think that Nintendo has taken notice of the Horse Emblem teams in the area.
It looks like Clive is being added as well, assuming that’s him in the story chapter showcase.
I thought that was Clive in the story chapter. I don’t think the Ridersbane or Zanbato will be strong enough in PvP, since my Reinhardt can just blow them up before they get to me, but I just know Mathilda is going to make future Tempest Trials and stuff miserable for my horses (like the random panic ploys now). Ridersbane, high move, a skill canceling my triangle adept Cecilia, and probably high res too.
Not by definition, as Dark Aura cannot buff wielders of Bows or Tomes at all. So it doesn’t actually synergize with Blade tomes, who’d otherwise seem like the obvious recipients of the buff.
I’m sure someone with the money and the luck will build a four mage dark aura team or something (three mage, two mage?). I don’t know what that will look like yet, or if would be better than straight blade I guess.
Dark Aura is exclusive to Delthea, so I doubt that’s ever gonna happen. And again, with Dark Aura, you don’t really want to have more tome wielders, because the tome won’t buff those units. So then the effect would kinda get wasted.
Glad to see more Echoes characters, especially Saber and Sonya. Still hoping for Conrad at some point, and maybe they’ll pivot back to Sacred Stones or Tellius soon
An important thing to note about Cancel Affinity: it works ONLY if the opponent has Triangle Adept, as the skill says ”granted by unit/foe’s skills”. Otherwise, ”reverses the weapon triangle when at a disadvantage” would be extremely broken.
I also hope the skill isn’t heritable by colorless units. Otherwise that means colorless units such as Bridal Cordelia will in turn break the game in half.
Not quite. Running cancel affinity on bridelia means you can’t go quad shenanigans with life and death. I can’t see how one unit having WTA against raven users busts the meta in any way.
Firesweep Bridelia is also a thing I commonly see. It’ll get the better end of the stick as it already doesn’t care about enemy counterattacks (usually lethal ones, ESPECIALLY when running LnD) and essentially gets a flat damage boost, on top of not having to suffer a speed penalty.
It’s also not about having the triangle advantage as much as it’s cancelling out the niche that Raven users bring against colorless units in general, since they otherwise don’t particularly suffer against one color, unlike Reinhardt of all people. Takumi used to be broken for that reason alongside Skill Inheritance not being a thing, and this is what you can potentially get with Cancel Affinity. A Raven tome in itself is generally not enough to stop a Bridelia; that’s how good she is.
You’re missing the point entirely; Raven Adept users are the niche counter to colorless units being equally effective against the entire cast, and that’s why you even see them in high-tier arena in the first place. Cancel Affinity can now reverse that, as a Raven tome in itself already fails to stop Bridelia due to her sheer offensive power. FIresweep is also a thing she runs.
Okay, stop it! Just STOP IT! Stop forcing me to choose which Heroes should I summon! First the Ylissean Summer Heroes, then Alm, and now these other new characters from Fire Emblem Echoes! You’re making me feel like crap already! GOD!!
Good god Sonya what did they do to you……
Ignoring how horrific Sonya now looks for the sake of giving teenage boys hard ons though Im very happy to see more sov characters. A little randomish picks though? I would expect Delthea and Mathilda to come in with Luthier and Clive. And Leon is perfect as expected. With Virion, Niles, and now Leon if I can draw him I’ll only need one more sassy archer lmao. Mad I blew 40 orbs yesterday trying to get beach Fredrick OTL
I played Chapter 12, and son of a b****, we were SO close to finding out Prince Bruno’s true identity. But nope, they ended in a cliffhanger, what a joke!
Now, where was I? Oh yeah, SON OF A B****!! I wasted almost ALL of my Orbs, and I did NOT get a single character from either Alm’s army nor Celica’s army! WHY?! Why can’t I ever get those new heroes?! WHY IS THIS GAME STILL TROLLING ME WITH THOSE SAME WEAK HEROES?! WHYYYYYYY?!?!
Yeah, I don’t particularly like this whole 3-special-Heroes-at-a-time thing either, considering how, you know, we’re at like over 100 Units you can Summon if you count different-Star versions of Heroes as separate entries, and your chances of getting what you’re really after only go up like .5% at best for every 20 Orbs you blow out IF you didn’t end up getting a 5-Star you didn’t want(thanks a ton for ruining my Bridelia hunt, Sanaki). I’m still trying to find Hector so I can give my Roy Distant Counter because I don’t really want anyone but Roy, for example, but with all the new Units it’s only going to get worse for me. Plus, I’m reasonably certain the game is sentient and thrives off of disappointment and pain, so that factors in.
Yeah, I mentioned a few times before that I’d like to see them diversify the rarities of some of the characters. Just adding more 5* and new skills exclusive to those fives is just increasing the rarity of any given 5*. No one really has any realistic chance of getting someone they want without significant investment, and creativity suffers too.
It’s not the most orb-efficient, but pulling only from the colours of your desired unit does increase your chances of getting them. Your 5 star chance goes up all the time, and if you effectively negate the majority of the characters you don’t want, the odds get a nudge in your favour.
I don’t think I’m going to pull after all. I just don’t like my odds, even with the mountain of orbs they’ve given us. Besides, I feel like I used all of my good karma pulling Katerina (and I love her dearly). I’m more interested in Berkut, Clive, and Conrad, and it looks like they’ll just give them to me for free (Hero Battles). At least, I’m hoping. Also, Saber is a beautiful man, and his art has unfortunately robbed us of that.
Robin IS holding Nosferatu (or something that looks like it) in the picture you show, however if you look at the picture where Robin is in front of a burning building/castle (see here https://www.gamecity.ne.jp/fe/img/character/ss/chara08_02.jpg ), you can see the top of the tome he is carrying, and that tome is different to Nosferatu and looks a lot like Brynhildr! See the black blobs at the top!
This is just a slight quirk for me, but I always disliked when game artwork mimics the artworks of another game (in Robin’s case, his is from Smash 4, since he didn’t have a solo artwork in Awakening). It’s a great call-back, sure, but I like seeing artists have fun with their work as well.
GHB looks tough. Look at the combined attack range of all those enemies! So, anyone got a plan brewing already? At the very least, I have my start envisioned. I gave Michalis Lancebreaker, and so long as the Bow Cav doesn’t bring him below 50% HP (thank you Iote’s Shield!), with the Attack+1 seal, he will just barely one-round Berkut, also barring a ward for fortify skill from that same Bow Cav. Needless to say, I think a LOT can go wrong here…
Great, they’re giving us Forest Crossroads. I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come: creating difficulty by separating your units to prevents buffing (which I do a ton of).
I think we might be able to steal it with careful use of the defense tiles, but honestly, based on what I’m hearing about his kit and stats, it doesn’t sound like he’s going to be any good (true to Echoes then). If that’s the case, then I really only need him as a collectable, so I probably won’t kill myself on infernal. I’ll bet the infernal battle will have the horses buffed out of their mind (like Camus’ fight) too, so I’m looking forward to seeing if the community can beat it with the free units (3* or 4*).
If we can somehow get ourselves damaged early on during player phase, it should be easy enough to circumvent the separation problem by teleporting away with Wings of Mercy and the like, at the cost of aggroing the enemy (if they don’t already aggro, which is usually not the case). Some Reposition/Draw Back shenanigans can also be used on the right side to get around the gigantic attack range as I see it.
‘Cause Horse Emblem wasn’t enough of a pain yet, right? Though I suppose it’s not too bad, seeing as these three for the most part aren’t really top-tier. Or to put it another way, I’m just really glad Reinhardt isn’t on here.
Its also nice to have the prime Reinhardt Counter in there. Titania may be not so good but she has the niche of being the one thing that can’t be one-shot by Reinhardt and kill him on player phase/enemy phase if you gave her Distant Counter
I would recommend Cecilia as a Reinhardt counter, especially with Triangle Adept. That or Julia, if you don’t want a horse, but Cecilia is much easier to acquire
Pass! As much as I’d like to get Titania and/or Olwen (because I already got Eldigan), this game just won’t let me summon those powerful heroes anymore, only weaker ones such as that old coot Wrys!
Xu Huang’s Axe grabbing opponent techniques is part of his weapon’s strength. It bypasses through block and super armor too, makes it more fun to use since even Lu Bu gets swung around.
The game seems awesome, but I prefer the original English dub from
Awakening and Fates (as the only character that doesn’t belong to this
group is Marth and is dubbed by the same person…).
Also, as the
rest, I hope we get new characters soon (in my case, I want Roy,
Walhart and Garon… I hope SSB popularity makes a chance for Roy (Roy’s
our boy! :D)).
Hi, just wanted to say that I’ve very much enjoyed following the series. It’s highlighted just one of the many ways that show how much thought went into the creation of the game, even if you wouldn’t necessarily see this normally. Thanks for the neat work :).
Oh, hey, a GHB revival. And then they added Infernal difficulty as well, eh? I can only imagine that the GHB’s for Xander and Camus will follow suit in the near future, since those are the only GHB we haven’t had again before they added Infernal difficulty to GHB’s in general with Legion’s GHB. Well, an extra copy of Lloyd and 2K feathers? Can’t complain. Now let’s see how I’m going to do this…
Quite interesting. I can’t imagine why they’d put in this kind of detail and then not use it. I can only guess they had planned for more exploration and cut it out, which would be a shame if that is what happened.
You know what?! I am done with this game! It won’t let me summon any more powerful Heroes! It keeps trolling me with Heroes that are weak AF, and I am sick of it! SCREW…THIS…GAME!!
The word could have been “joust”? It can also describe fighting in general, and is more brutal than sparring, though still not with the intent of killing the opponent.
I suspect that Matt Mercer probably recorded it (will record?) with him doing one character then doing it again as the other as oppose to going straight through the script. But like others, I look forward to hearing Matt yell at himself! XD
In regards to the struggle for finding a word for “Martial arts posture, probably referring to how Ryouma holds and wields his sword” I feel that the word ‘form’ might be a good fit for conveying the right message.
Well, THIS changes everything! I’m going back in the game! Now this game will have to let me summon more powerful heroes, especially with a free summon and by summoning the 4-Star heroes!
My God, so many cool features! The Grand Hero Battle against Valter, the villain from “Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones”! It looks like “The Sacred Stones” is getting more love for once. But, the one game that’s getting even more love is “Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia”, because a new Tempest Trials will continue with the characters from Fire Emblem Echoes, including Clive. (Sigh) No Masked Knight/Conrad, though, but hey, Clive is cool, so much better than Tobin. But, with Alm and Celica fighting together, who will be the boss for the final map of this Tempest Trial? Is it Veronica again, or maybe…Berkut?! Guess I’ll find out soon enough.
And then there are more Summer Heroes, and this time it’s the characters from “Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest”, starring the Female Corrin, Leo, Elise, and Xander…again! What, no Camilla?! Booooooo!
Also, this game will have a total of 159 characters?! Jeez!
Well, that’s all for now, and like I said, I’m going back in the game! …I’m back, baby!
Probably the biggest update by far, IS really seems to be listening to
the criticism especially about Tempest Trials. Rip wallet for the 2nd
summer fest and hero banner tho lol
Sigh, must resist Nohrian Summer…Hero Fest coming….not resisting well (especially flying tome Corrin)…
But these new updates are really cool. Can’t wait for Valter and while I would’ve preferred Conrad as the new Tempest Trial prize, Clive is cool enough.
Small typo: “The best part…Stamina and Dueling Crests are necessary.” Should say ‘aren’t’ necessary.
Anyway, Valter wields the Cursed Lance. That’s pretty cool. What not everyone may realize is that this lance, even though Valter never wields it in Sacred Stones, IS actually canon. It’s really neat attention to detail. I wonder how many people know what I’m referring to here…
Lots of awesome features, quite excited for all this.
I’m actually not quite sure what you mean by common. I thought it referred to part of Valter’s backstory (as heard in a Duessel support I don’t remember)
I just realized I made a typo. I meant to write ‘canon’. Not sure how that happened, but I’ve fixed that now. And yes, that backstory is what I’m referring to, it’s in the support conversation between Duessel and Cormag.
I think with Valter showing up now, a Caellach GHB seems inevitable for the not-too-distant future. …Then again, considering we got Lloyd, but not Linus yet, who really knows? I feel like Riev would come later down the line.
I don’t expect it, but sword wyvern Glen would be a way to add some variety (especially if they give him hone fliers since I’ll probably never pull a Hinoka, much less two)
Yes, that would also be really cool. We have only two Sword Fliers right now, and neither Palla nor Caeda is very good, so it would be nice to have that pool of units increased.
Unless you REALLY want these characters, I would hold off summoning for now. We have Hero Fest 2 in around 2 weeks, and this banner has the longest life span ever (33 days!). We have to be patient, but I bet the rewards will be worth it.
Yeah, I agree. Early reviews suggest Corrin and possibly Xander could be quite good, but since this banner is around for so long, it’s worth waiting to see what else we get, especially since Hero Fest offers better odds.
As much as I would summon these new Summer Heroes, I’ll have to save those Orbs for the Hero Fest, including a free summoning for each and every new banner that comes out.
Also, I played the next Paralogue, and Jesus Christ, Anna was nutz when she wanted to take pictures of these Summer Heroes, but then she got denied by the other Anna.
I got Corrin in my first try, and she is the only hero I want from this banner. Maybe in the last week I will try again for Elise or Xander, but for now I prefer keep my Orbs for Celica or the Hero Fest Banner.
Problem is I already have a 5S Roy and my devotion isn’t quite high enough to go for a full Roy Team yet. Probably just going to hang on until the Hero Fest 2.0.
for all those compaining about the amount of free orbs: FE heroes is literally the most generous geicha game out there in terms of both contend, user feedback, and its treatment of F2P players… even F2P players can clear the hardest of maps with enought thought. just stay away from arena rank 20.
It’s honestly kind of insane how generous this game is, and it’s becoming *increasingly* so… SOMEHOW. I have absolutely no idea how they’re doing it and yet the game is still raking in a ton of money. I’m really impressed by the work the devs have put into this game since it launched. I was super skeptical when it was first revealed, but I’ve made a complete 180 since. I’ve been playing fully F2P since day 1 and it’s never felt unfair. With enough time investment, some good choices and the right tactics, you really can clear anything, regardless of your luck with summons, even without spending any money (I mean, if all the 3/4-star F2P-unit-only videos of the GHB’s are any indication).
In fact, it’s come to the point where I’m actually seriously considering paying some money for this game just out of respect and support. Just a one-time thing, but it’s something. Something I definitely would never have expected myself to say about a game like this. Ever. But here I am.
Oh the irony… I finalled pulled on the Ylissean summer banner, trying for all of them, but especially wanting to get summer Freddy and Tiki. I got Freddy and Gaius. Who are up against each other in the first round…
Well, gonna stick to my Freddy for the first round then.
If we’re to assume that they really have their respective weapons at the point they enter the story, than Corrin having Yato would mean it’d have to be at the route split at least.
i think the only interesting part is the first round.
since this is about beach theme the winner should be female character since majority of player are male. And the semi-finals willl be won by Fates character because it has more fanbases in terms of fan service,
Oh, I was on Corrin’s team (still am, as she won, so duh) but I was pointing out the fact that T&A could tip the balance. Glad the players aren’t THAT bone(r)headed… oh wait… all the high-rated/popular characters are/were bikini babes… I guess the balance was tipped to all sides (ok, just Tiki, Robin, and Corrin, but not really the point, I think I’m just picking at nits now, trying to make this as long as possible [remind you of anything with all that almost bare T&A? (insert lenny face here)], so I’m going to shut up now…)
Yeah, I actually just got back from fixing Part 3; I was going on auto-pilot. 😛 What’s wrong with Part 2 though? Unless I’m missing something silly, they’re all the same to me.
I wonder if the two Robins come from different universes/ versions of Awakening (and aren’t just skins of one another). If so I look forward to their Supports (because come on, they HAVE to have Supports!)
…and seeing one Robin freak out at someone flirting with the other or something, especially if it’s another Awakening character.
Is there any indication that Female Robin will be a seperate character from Male Robin, or will they be alternate costumes for an overarching “Robin” character?
This announcement seriously made my day. Female Robin confirmed playable, with Cordelia to boot?! YES!!!
It does raise into question if Male Corrin will be joining, which seems likely at this point. Also how the Robins and assumed Corrins will work, with them either being selectable skins or standalone characters.
Awesome news! Permadeath in a musuo game will be interesting; you can’t plan out tactics as far in advance as you can with a strategy title. Interesting! The Pegasus paths are too!
So F Robin is just a costume. Hope they go all-out with the costumes and not just make color variations. Found this to be really lacking in Hyrule warriors.
well, Hyrule Warriors costumes really weren’t anything special. They were just costumes, so you can’t change much. However, these may be alternate characters, so they are definitely gonna give her a different voice, at least.
Honestly, while I am still disappointed about the roster a great amount, the permadeath mechanic really intrigues me. I’ll buy it for sure if it has Takumi, literally the only unit in Fates or Awakening that I like.
As tempting as it is for me to try and get Minerva… I’m not going to attempt this banner. On the 7th, we’re getting the Hero Fest banner, and I find it likely that at least one more banner with new units is going to come then or soon after as well. In other words, BAIT. I’m keeping my orbs.
How in the world did I misread that??? I really thought I read correctly that Hero Fest was on the 7th. Welp, thanks for pointing it out anyway. I feel really silly right now.
As much as I’d like a lot of these options, the devs have already gone on record saying that their focus is Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates, so I really dont’see anyone happening outside of those games.
If I had to guess, it would be Shadow Dragon because Marth started the whole thing both for Japan and for the rest of us(remember, Melee came out before Blazing Sword), Awakening because the game more or less saved the series for everyone, and Fates…um…I’m sure there was something amazing about Fates besides how rushed it was…give me a minute…
Anyways, just because that’s their focus doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not getting anyone outside of the games, it just means try not to get too hopeful. I mean, I’d love Emma to be the reveal, but she doesn’t technically count as a Fates character despite originally hailing from Hoshido as she was first revealed worldwide and in the games in Echoes, so I’m keeping my expectations low…except for Roy. If we don’t get Roy I’m going to be PISSED.
Roy has little chance. Besides
His popularity in the actual FE community is low.
Btw the reason for SD is twofold. 1. He’s the first for both the west and japan.
2. FE3 remanes the most sold FE game in japan, rivalling LttP sales. Its insane how well FE3 sold.
It’s a situation similar to Hyrule Warriors, where the focus was on Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. Three main games, and they’re doing the same thing here. Any sort of representation for other games in the series will probably be DLC.
Cordelia looking gorgeous as usual! Also I’m loving how permadeath is gonna be implemented in a Musou game makes you more wary but I’m obviously gonna soft reset as usual.
I think the odds are good. At any rate, we just know they’ll have to have a Halloween banner, and while the exclusivity is kind of annoying, we also just know the art will be pretty great
Honestly, I’d like to see an FE 9/10 magic user like Micaiah or Soren make it into this game, or any FE assassin characters like Jaffar and Volke. GODDAMNIT why aren’t there many Tellius fans?? (Also, if Ike doesn’t make it into the game, then there is something wrong with the devs)
I just think Caeda is a very important character, because, you know… her relationship with Marth and all.
I imagine if Caeda were to be in the game, it would create a big boost of character potential for both Marth and Caeda in the game plot and story wise just because of all the possible interactions they could do with the pair.
But then, I would want to see the Whitewings + Minerva appearing as well. Hopefully!
Also, it seems they’ve added a refresh button in the training tower, so you can generate another set of enemies before you fight. I don’t think they mentioned that in any of their pre-update material, and I hope that doesn’t mean it’s been there and I’m just now seeing it…
Ah must have missed it then. Regardless, I’m very happy about it. Makes grinding and quests easier. I can just flip until I find a configuration that Hector can carry my team of armor scrubs through for that one orb
Can’t deny that, lol. Gonna save a lot of time with this and the castle bonus working together. Now, if I could actually get a Hector myself so I can give away distant counter.. Spent about 80 orbs in the last 5% hero fest and only managed to get an Azura I didn’t even want. 😡
to be fair, everyone uses SI. I’m a forced F2P player (heroes doesn’t accept local currency) and I beat this one with only a full stamina gauge and a single bottle.
I know someone on Reddit has done it with all 4-star F2P units, and the only Skill Inheritance involved is Swap on Sharena. You can get access to Swap easily enough, even as F2P, through Subaki or Stahl.
Ah, I must confess, I misremembered the team a bit, it’s not all 4-star units. Sincere apologies for that. Regardless, the team they used is as follows:
3-star Olivia, default set. No Knock Back equipped.
5-star Sharena, again, with Swap.
4-star Barst, also no Knock Back equipped.
5-star Anna, has an HP+3 seal equipped.
Thanks, but actually, I have something to confess: I’ve figured it out and beat Infernal mode, with the guidance of a YouTube video of the Japanese Infernal Cecilia and Lilina Bound Hero Battle with a 4-Star Gunter, a 4-Star Palla, a 5-Star Camus, and a 5-Star Ursula (and it still worked even with my 4-Star Ursula). Thanks, anyway.
Seriously, am I the ONLY ONE having trouble with the Infernal Bound Hero Battle?! Why do they keep beating that mode with Skill Inheritance such as Reposition?! THEY’RE F***ING CHEATERS!!
Arena assault is pretty fun, because it doesn’t cost anything to play or quit, so I can just play whenever I want, although sometimes it’s just a battle to see if I’ll face more Reinhardts than I have counters for
Man, this banner. These units. I want all of them, except Gray, who I already have. But Hero Fest is coming in two days, and with that 5% Banner Unit rate, I must restrain myself. Still, this banner will outlast the Tempest Trials banner, so unless they release something more exciting in the meantime, after the Hero Fest banner ends, I’m going to direct my attention back to the TT banner.
Decided I’d give this Banner a shot and promptly pulled Delthea. For the Free Pull. And she buffs like crazy. Freaking heck I love this game. When does Hero Fest start again?
So it’s only banners after the 7th that have the swapped odds for 3* and 4* right? Because I think out of all the banners, I still probably want to pull for Nohrian Summer the most (I like that 5%, but I already have Julia, Genny, and Azura, as well as more swords than I’ll ever need), but I’m mostly concerned about my haul for SI, since I’ll probably never have 350 orbs again, and I have to imagine I’ll want the chance to pull more 4*. I guess I could also continue to hold out…I don’t know
That’s correct. Sadly, the Nohrian Summer banner still has the old percentages of 3*/4* and no free summon. At least there’s still plenty of time to summon on it! It took me over a week but I finally got my Summer Corrin a couple days ago. ^^
Thanks! I thought so. Summer Corrin is the one I’m after too. I obviously can’t build Flier Emblem until Hinoka or Hone Fliers become easier to acquire, but since I was fortunate enough to pull Spring Camilla, I want a Corrin on the chance I’m one day able to rain down colored blades upon my enemies.
Hah, we’re in the same boat, then. 🙂 I also got a Spring Camilla as well but no Hinoka. I’m hoping she’ll be back in focus at some point, or maybe they’ll finally give Hone Fliers to someone else.
I think she’ll definitely be back in focus (I like that expression. It never occurred to me that why they use the word focus), but it will probably be better if they give hone fliers to someone else. A blade team might want to run two hone fliers and with all the blue fliers (Corrin, Cordelia, I kind of want to use Valter), I probably won’t actually use Hinoka (though I like her art)…which means as many Hinoka as desired for SI, plus one for the collection. I’m kind of surprised Valter didn’t have it after they gave Camus and Berkut cavalry buffs. I’m praying they give us a sword Glen Hero Battle with hone fliers, since he used a sword in Sacred Stones and the game needs red fliers
The only character I wanted out of this banner is Julia. I was really hoping they’d have Lyn. Ike is great but I already have him. He’s a good one for beginners which I guess was their intention.
I summoned on this banner though and my first 3 were 5*.. Crazy: Genny, then Nowi, then Julia. I’ll take it. =P
So my first run found it to be much easier than the previous trials, which I think just means it was easier to reposition my units out of danger. However, that final map could be brutal. The boss, Sonya, has vantage, which could really ruin someone’s day depending on what team they’re running. Also, they play Twilight of the Gods on that map, which is awesome and encourages me to just sit there and listen rather than play (I still don’t understand why they still use that awful music on every map’s enemy phase).
My team is Hector, Lucina, Delthea and Genny. Having 2 Mages helped me a lot. Honestly, having the +10hp and +3 stats make it not that hard, and the 3x bonus is very useful.
TWO POSSIBLE NEW CHARACTERS FOR THE PLAYERS I KNOW TO GET MAD ABOUT AND CALL FAKE?!?!?!?!
THIS IS A GLORIOUS POSSIBILITY
PLEASE
SEND ME MORE CIPHER CHARACTERS
I NEED 25 TOTAL SO WE CAN HAVE A SET THAT’S HALF CIPHER CHARACTERS
DO IT FOR THE PEOPLE IS
They’ll likely be up sometime in the next few days. With daily reveals scheduled to start next week, the wiki will start getting to full steam soon about updating with daily cards. In the meantime, if you’d like to see translation information as soon as possible, you should come over and join us on the Cipher Discord (linked on the main front page) or follow @FEcipherENG, which is run by bookofholsety who is one of the translators for the wiki.
Cool! Wish I could join you guys on the Discord, but it isn’t working for me right now because my comp’s garbage, and I don’t actually have Twitter or Facebook or other general forms of social media.
Incidentally, do we have access to translations of the conversation between the mystery Units?
CRAP THAT’S ONLY SIX DAYS AWAY
Sweet! Thanks for the link, looking forward to this – perhaps these two shadowy figures will crash the party on the 19th! Also, I’m hoping the servant-ish one is a Red Cavalier to contrast Lando’s Green so we get a cavalier duo with a new spin – one good, one bad!
Okay, THIS is just adding insult to injury, not only do I only have Genny and Berkut as bonuses, but that Sonya as the final map boss is overpowered AF, even with her Vantage skill! Remind me again, why is Sonya of all characters the final map boss of this Tempest Trial?! Anyone?!
Maybe Sonya is the boss because she is a enemy in Echoes, but later she can enter in Celica’s army, and she is the Jedah’s daughter, so maybe Jedah can be controling her. In my opinion, Jedah should be the boss of this trial and later he be a Grand Hero Battle.
Eirika is much more “cutesy” than I ever expected her to be but I will never say no to more FE8 representation. I can’t wait to see everyone else, especially Lyon and Myrrh!
Hmm if that is the case than pegasus knights might be seriously underpowered. These games get very hectic and its really easy to miss an arrow or two going for you. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
The gameplay may be hectic, but archers are easy to block or avoid in the Warriors games if you just pay attention to your surroundings since they take a while to aim at you.
Dumbest reason for almost potentially cutting Lucina they should’ve realize “oh yeah she’s the popular recognizable poster girl of new games and obviously Nintendo and IS wouldn’t allow it” logic sense you 2 also welp Owain and Ophelia is RIP of any chances also confirms they love Lucina too which is awesome! Also the Lianna/Rowan sword reason is still dumb as it gets…
I actually admire the fact that they almost took Lucina out for uniqueness sake, because KT goes more for “whats cool and unique” than “popular” and I just dislike how much Nintendo is railroading this roster.
They couldn’t regardless since they obviously had to answer to IS and Nintendo their game their decision on who’s added also popularity and story importance is what’s determining the roster.
I’d argue Lucina’s relevance to Awakening’s plot is about on par with Lyns in Blazing Sword, but thats neither here nor there, she’s certain popular and drives a small portion of the plot yes.
The Zelda series doesn’t have as much in the way of characters. They were really scraping the bottom of the barrel even, like adding Maron from Link’s Awakening.
They still missed several fan favorites like Groose that made people incredibly angry, so “scraping the bottom of the barrel” doesn’t really work when people really wanted alot of people for HW like the Sages from OoT, Malon, Vaati, the fighters from Twilight Princess, the Oracles from the twin oracle games, etc.
Also Maron is a fan favorite herself lol, thats not really scrapping.
Oh they missed Groose huh? Then again, looking at the roster, they may have been looking for representation from most games in the series. Darunia and Ruto are Sages from OoT, so they fit the bill, and perhaps they dropped Malon because Maron is pretty similar in appearance, plus they get Link’s Awakening representation.
As for the Oracles, those were developed by Capcom. I’m willing to bet including another third party into character negotiations would have overly complicated things.
Yeah that’s probably it, honestly roster discussions in these games are always going to be saltfests regardless of what happens, which is why its kind of hard to discuss it in any manner unfortunately.
Agreed! Honestly, fans don’t know what they really want . I just want a great game and that’s all I care about, whether the game contains a popular character or less known one shouldn’t matter. As long as the gameplay is fun and it feels like a new experience, then I will be happy. I feel people should just be grateful that this game is even being made.
I think sales have proven that fans are a hive mind. Echoes didn’t do too well and that was a very different fire emblem. Compared to conquest and birthright, which did extrememly well. Do not get me wrong, not all fans are like this, but a lot are happy with just boobs and marriage.
I really like those new monster designs. They look really original, to me anyway. It’s really weird that story and/or the animations will somehow be better than the gameplay in a Warriors game, but it may just be an exaggeration. At least we will be able to guess some of the animation we will get in FE Switch (whenever they decide to show ANY info on the game).
Oh boy, alright. The ‘there’s more [insert unit] now than there are Sacred Stones characters’ meme can finally die now.
Amelia as an armour is interesting. …HOLY CRAP, A NEW ARMOUR!!! (Insert AZ “It’s been 3000 years” meme.) That actually makes her the first *new* Armour since the game launched, that’s kinda crazy. (Zephiel was already in the code.) Anyway, looks like a good skillset. I wonder if Armor March will be the key to success for Armour Emblem, or if sacrificing the stat boosting skills in the process is too much…?
Seth seems rather basic. Nothing particularly of note here. They’ve been have one unimpressive unit with almost every banner lately. Which made me think they might expand the list of 3-stars at some point. If they do, Seth will among them, I have no doubt.
Innes could be very interesting and fulfill a unique role. His weapon functions like an Owl tome, which could give him a nice overall stat-boost. What’s really interesting here to me, though, is the emphasis on Resistance. As it stands, we don’t really have an anti-mage Archer beyond Niles, and Niles is… Niles. Given that Archers share the same attack range as Mages, this could make him quite useful… We’ll have to see his stats to say for sure, though.
And then Tana, hoo boy. Vidofnir sounds quite strong. Swords will be absolutely screwed, that’s for sure. How strong Vidofnir will be will once again be very dependent on Tana’s stats, since it can’t be inherited. Now Guiadance… THAT skill is potentially very scary. A real blessing to Armours, but also quite powerful with Infantry allies. Gonna be very interesting to see how people will use this.
Oh, and I also really like the art and the voices.
The Hero Fest banner will end soon, and I’ve already got the TT banner unit I wanted most (without even summoning on that banner), so it’s quite likely I’ll summon on this banner.
I’m really not confident that Armor March as a C skill will make a difference. Still, I’m glad they made Amelia an armor unit (I always make her a general). She could actually be quite fast for an armor based on her stats in the game. It’s odd to me that with all the Echoes characters, they added kind of redundant units Leon instead of Valbar.
Odd that Nidhogg doesn’t have 16 might. Tana seems potentially good, I agree, but there’s so much competition for blue fliers and i doubt her defense will be super high. Plus, Guidance is also a C, which leads me to believe it will become inheritance fodder for infantry, maybe dancers.
I have over 300 orbs, but I still don’t have the Summer Corrin I’m looking for, nor any of the Tempest Trials mages (Or Ninian), so I don’t know if I can pull. I have a good feeling about the fall seasonal banner, and I want to make sure I’ve got some orbs saved up in case Radiant Dawn comes back around
Yeah, Daggers have even lower Might than other ranged weapons, to compensate for their ability to drop the target’s stats. Though we only have one legendary dagger at this point in the game, which is Jaffar’s weapon, so that isn’t much of a frame of reference.
I kind of figured the legendary tomes were weaker because they were magic, but Fujin Yumi is a good point. I never noticed. My original stance was armors need the buffs since I often see them getting blown up by mages, but thinking about how a lot of armor will run Zephiel or Effie with Wary Fighter, I could see extra movement helping them not get picked off.
I don’t know much about armor buffs (I feel like fortify is more viable because of their base defenses), so I could be off base. I mean, you have to keep them together, but that’s true of most Emblem teams and nobody will want to approach that phalanx anyway.
Nidhogg doesn’t have 16 Might because it’s a ranged weapon. Ranged weapons by rule have a lower Might than melee weapons do. Notice how the same holds true for Fujin Yumi, Cymbaline, Aura, Excalibur, etc.
Grand Hero Battle Legion, Infernal mode, the bane of my existence! I am finally gonna have my revenge for humiliating me the first time I fought him! REVENGE!
And furthermore, it’s about time they added the characters from “Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones”, including the new Paralogue! I was hoping for a new chapter, because I wanted to find out if Bruno is really Zacharias. But nope, that plot twist will have to wait a little longer! Crap!
I wanted a new main chapter, but it will probably appear with a more recent game. I think the next main chapter can be something like “World of Revelation”, with Fates characters, because the name combine with the events and we have Charlotte as a Bride unit but we do not have her in normal version.
“World of Radiance” is a story chapter based from “Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance”, and it’s not a recent game, yet it became a story chapter. It could be either “World of Revelation” as the next chapter, or maybe the next chapter might be called “Dawn of Radiance”, with the characters from “Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn” such as Micaiah.
I have the urge to splurge on this banner solely because it’s Sacred Stones. I hope I can hold out long enough to see how good these units are, but I’d love to make a SS team with the non-Reds and my Eirika while Seth can join my Horse Emblem team if his stats are good.
This is a good day. I know what I’ll be doing tomorrow!
ARF YES! Finally Amelia is in and I really dig her armored looked. Just looks like an upgraded version of her original armor.
Personally I would prefer her to be a lance fighter since I always use her as a Super Recruit when available, but I’ll take what I can get.
Oh, that’s really nice. Not the units I wanted, but I expected these ones anyway. Unfortunately this means I will have to wait a bit longer for Marisa, but maybe some other of the Grado generals will show up in a GHB.
Really loved hearing the map music again. Sacred Stones is only my favorite game in the series after all. And with the Naglfar reference, I can hope we see Lyon at some point (my favorite character in Fire Emblem)
Also, based on the stats I’m seeing, Tana and Amelia seem like they’re really good, Seth seems like he’s really not, and Innes looks like he’s just going to give me a hard time in future Tempest Trials
Warriors Orochi III Hyper had around 40 characters, so I expect the same here. If they DON’T make more available via DLC, they could go the route of making others’ outfits available for current characters. For example, Lucina dressed as Mia. Chrom dressed as Eliwood. Ike dressed as the Black Knight. They’ve done things like that, too, and it can actually be fairly cool. I’ll take any of that over the ridiculous swimsuits we’re likely to get instead.
And I would’ve been totally cool with no Lucina. Her personality has always bored me.
And I’ve wasted all of my Orbs getting nothing, even a free summoning did not help me! And to add insult to injury, I ended up getting two 3-Star Henrys, one of the weakest characters by far, in a row! HATING THIS ALREADY!
Also, Loki, his king’s vessel? What could this mean?! The plot thickens!
47 hp, 34 att, 34 spd, 35 def, and 23 res. Skill gets rid of armour movement.
Pound-for-pound, Amelia is the strongest unit in the game. Res is her only weak spot, and 23 isn’t even that bad. And she comes with Sacred Cowl by default.
With Armor buffs, she’s gonna be an absolute nightmare if people run a Distant Counter + Vantage build. Quickened Pulse and a good special basically makes her a final boss.
Armads’ in-built Quick Riposte is literally the only thing making him viable against this chick anymore.
Main thing is, in order to actually eliminate that armour movement, you need to run a second armour and have both of them stick to eachother like glue. Though Armor March unquestionably benefits armours in general a lot, herself included, the need to run it and run another armour to take advantage of it will likely remain somewhat of an achilles heel.
Small price to pay. Especially since people run Emblems all the time. The lack of a powerful Green is really the only reason why I don’t run Armour Emblem, and now IS gives us the straight up most powerful unit in the game.
I don’t think we’ll see another unit on par until The Black Knight or Laguz Royals.
Frankly I can see Caeldori as a skin for the already revealed Cordelia. Ditto with Tharja and Gaius, I reckon. Sure, Caeldori, Asugi and Rhajat aren’t the most popular of characters, but adding them in with their Awakening counterparts already in place would be relatively easy.
I agree that they won’t have the same draw. However, if F!Robin is confirmed to be purely an aesthetic skin, I would imagine that it would mean you would be able to get costumes for the playable characters of their alternative looks ala Hyrule Warriors or Berserk Musou, (such as Marth in his FE1 tunic, Xander and Ryoma (and any of the other Fates Royals) in their Beach Brawl attire, Chrom as a Great Lord, etc.) as well as costumes that actually changes the character to another technically separate character, but are essentially the same or at least similar enough (Think Injustice 2’s premier skins). I can see this with the aforementioned M!Robin to F!Robin, F!Corrin to M!Corrin, and yes, Cordelia to Caeldori; heck, maybe even with further leaps like Minerva to Miledy or Navarre to Rutger.
But of course, ultimately it’s all speculation. Honestly, I believe if we’re getting a costume for Cordelia, we’ll sooner get her Summer Scramble attire (along with Chrom, as well as Tharja and Gaius if those two are in the game) as part of some kind of DLC pack than getting a Caeldori skin.
I think she’s considered her own slot like how the Dynasty Warriors 6 clones worked and not a costume like the various warriors games do. If you look on the official website she has her own section like she’s a fully playable character, this treatment wouldn’t be given to just a simple skin
Costumes will of course be a thing because KT loves them.
Oh, is that so…Frankly I haven’t dabbled too much into Dynasty Warriors, and I did not know they’ve had a history of employing clones like that. I wasn’t aware of that fact about the site either.
But yeah, I guess costumes like the Summer Scramble and Beach Brawl stuff is a foregone conclusion, huh?
“…the art was drawn by a seasoned artist…” Is this some shade thrown towards the artist from Awakening and Fates. I mean… I don’t disagree, but still that’s surprisingly harsh. Or that may just come across harsher due to translation.
I don’t think they meant it relative to any of the games, and were just making a general compliment. : ) I can see why it may come off that way though.
They were talking about how the game differed from the previous two and how newer fans would see things as “different.” One of the things mentioned as different is that “the art was drawn by a seasoned artist.” I interpreted this almost as a, probably unintentional, indirect insult towards the previous two games’ artist. It was probably just meant as an artist who has some more experience than the previous one, but I just took it a weird way. Then again, it’s probably just because I like Hidari more anyway, so I took it in that way much more than most people probably would have. Out of context my quoting probably does look odd… Oh well, this comment chain kinda explains what I meant.
It seems unlikely – they’ll probably give us Dual Audio so we can choose between them. Keep in mind that this and all past reveals are a JAPANESE Twitter account showing footage from the JAPANESE version of the game – we should get a better English trailer soon enough, and I seem to recall Chrom sounding like his English VA during the only trailer we ever got with even a hint of noise from him, the one that literally showed nothing new but him hitting some generic enemies around to show off one attack. So no, expect either full English or Dual Audio.
I need their Elise+Sakura poster +_+
But also… if they needed more archers, why couldn’t they put in Python so Faye didn’t have to be changed?
I wonder what they mean by realistic proportion and movement… animation? I hope not Kozaki Yusuke’s art. His art is just so nice now as the games continue on.
I think they did mean animation. I remember laughing my butt off sometimes at the Awakening and, to a lesser extent, Fates animations. Not that they were really horrible or anything, but in cutscenes it was hard to keep my mood serious when I was looking at their funny 3D models.
What do they mean by “realistic proportions and movements”? Don’t get me wrong I’m an open person, but “realistic” fighting, while cool, isn’t as cool as say a FE 7 Swordmaster Crit. As for proportions I’m a little confused about, because the series has always been in the “anime” style.
I think it basically means animations like you see in Echoes. Like, how when Alm suffers minimal damage, he parries the attack very similarly to how an actual swordsman would. Another example could be how you see archers attack, which I found to be a lot more detailed in Echoes.
I am happy for you, guys. I only had this lucky in both Hero Fest Banners: I got Hector in my first summoning, in the first hero fest, and I got Genny in my first summoning in the second one.
SACRED STONES!!!! Joshua looks awesome and – as someone who missed the news last time – I’m so happy to see Myrrh!! The Magvellians being purple means they come with plenty of synergy with existing cards, which makes me very happy.
I’m surprised that the two new characters are from Zenith; I’d love to see them cameo in Heroes!
The only problem with this GHB is the reinforcements. Even after you defeat Valter, they continue to appear! I do not know if I will defeat the Lunatic difficult, and I will not try the Infernal.
Managed Infernal, but it was bullshit throughout. There is difficult, and there is throwing countless of units at you in an attempt at simulating difficulty à la FE13. This was the latter.
I honestly can’t imagine beating this right now. I was killing off at least a unit per turn, but when I got to the turn where four new units show up, I almost threw my phone. There were seven units on the map at that point
I’m just asking why you think those tactics are so bad, because I don’t think I don’t see the problem you see. You’re saying now that it’s “cheap”, but why?
It can’t be helped if you can’t see how someone else might find strategies like that to be questionable, especially on a map with a ton of fliers. BB ORKO’s, then the dancing allows the unit to move out of the way or go for another enemy, at the cost of… Nothing. But I guess you still don’t see the problem even though I’ve spelled it out for you.
To be honest, I don’t really see it as more cheap than any other strategy either. In fact, I feel like that’s probably the strategy IS wanted you to employ. It’s a little frustrating for me, for instance, because I have no archers (I think I could train a Gordin, if that would work, but I’m not going to 5* him and I’m not really sure I need three Valters). If you’re implying that dancers are kind of unbalanced, then I’d probably agree with that, or that the most difficult maps don’t really allow creative team building, then I guess I would say that’s mostly true as well
I think I’m overthinking the strategical depth of this game. The arena assault for example can be beaten by toddler if he has every unit as 5*40. It all boils down to what units you have or don’t have when it comes to the harder maps, and I feel that is detrimental to the gameplay as a whole.
Yes I do agree entirely with that, but I guess that’s part of the model. I’ve joked regarding arena assault that it goes well until I run out of units that can survive Reinhardt (I’ve seen five Reinhardts in a row before)
I always make sure to have my 39 res Julia ready for whenever one shows up, unfortunately she’s my only green mage and I have a grand total of 3 axe units, so I can relate to the Reinhardt horror show. Even worse when the moonbow pulse comes into play.. Thankfully you can retry infinitely and items help sometimes, but it’s not really the best of experiences.
Actually, last time around I got through with no casualties and ended up with 4750 points I think, yet other people got even higher scores than that. Do you have any idea what influences the score total?
I’m under the impression it’s the same as the arena, so BST. I’m guessing we’re being beaten (since I also score around that on a perfect run) by teams with a lot of merged, +10 5*, which I at least definitely don’t have. I have not found items to be particularly useful (at least I keep forgetting about them), but it is nice that I can keep trying until I maximize my score. I don’t know what the coins will do, but it will probably be something I’ll want…
No, I don’t have many of those either. I have one +3 5*, two +2 5* and a couple of +1’s, but that’s it. If your theory is correct however it would imply that the mode is completely pay to win, which, to be fair, seems to be the case for the game as a whole. If anything, it would be nice if we who are able to complete the maps with ‘weaker’ units should be compensated justly for it, if not only to reward skill somewhat.
I’ve mostly made use of the elixir so far, particularly when the opponent is down to one Hector with bonfire while I still have all four of mine *cough*. The coins are interesting however. Something I would like would be a hero shop of sorts, where you can buy non-event heroes of different rarities for different amounts of coins. This way you could get your favorite heroes and upgrade them with feathers, even if you only can afford a 2* or 3* version for example.
It is definitely a pay to win game. Otherwise it wouldn’t be free with in-app purchases and have all the randomness (focuses, colors, rarities, boons and banes, etc.). But as much as that gets on my nerves sometimes, I think the game has been pretty generous (or I’ve been really lucky) to free-to-play players. Plus, I kind of like thinking about how some of mechanics would translate to an actual Fire Emblem game (special skills and an integrated melee/magic weapon triangle). It’s probably more fair without the percentage based stuff, yet it seems wrong somehow.
I wholeheartedly agree with a hero shop. Even if I was stuck getting a 1* version of a character, I’d still get to have them, even if it cost me a ton (of coins or feathers or something). Of course, it’s probably fair to say that hurts their model, and it’d probably be preferable to get a 5* only unit as a 1* for SP grinding. Alternatively, people who spend money would probably benefit the most from a shop, since they’d have the currency to +10 all the meta units, and they could still make boon and bane random for each unit you buy if they really wanted to. Regardless, I think that’s something any fan of the series wants, because we probably all have a favorite we still haven’t pulled yet (or will at some point)
Spelled it out? You haven’t spelled out anything. You just keep restating your opinion with slightly different wording, but consistently omit any sort of elaboration. You’ve called the employed strategy awful, cheap, questionable… that all comes down to the same thing. I get it, you don’t like the Brave Bow + Dancer combination, and apparently particularly on a map with so many fliers, but that still doesn’t explain *why* you feel that way.
There is no why. It just is. If you fail to see that then that’s on you. Sisyphe kind of hit the nail on the head when he mentioned dancers being imba and that the Infernal maps really forces you into a certain pattern. That’s everything a FE game shouldn’t be. I seriously have no idea what else you want me to explain. To be honest I feel as if you’re hit by my initial comment simply because you apparently made use of a similar strategy. Just with two dancers instead of one lol.
Was banging my head on Infernal a bit here, but after enough trial and error and making some small loadout adjustments, I managed to pull through it. Now, of course there’s many roads to victory in any given battle, but I highly, highly recommend a powerful archer. Combined with one or even two dancers (with Wings of Mercy), you can get very far. The team I ended up doing things with was Klein, Olivia, Ninian and Delthea. Everyone was key, but Klein was truly the MVP. Ultimately, I ended up inheriting Threaten Defense 1 on Klein, Threaten Res 2 on Delthea and giving Ninian the Quickened Pulse seal, all being necessary to achieve certain KO’s. Bottom line, this battle was a doozy.
But it’s worth it, I already promoted Valter. He’s one of those wonderful characters that I just love to hate.
What a wonderful surprise! The cost makes sense for working with an external company but (especially after the runaway success of Sonic Mania – no pun intended) I can’t help wonder if the west could have gotten it for free too if they chose to work with a fan group. Kaga HAS to know how large a following he has, but oh well. I wonder if Nintendo is the standard we should judge all Eastern developers’ fan interaction by?
Ignoring all that: all of my yes!! It would be nice if the extra income also let them make a console port (at least the Switch), but I won’t get too ahead of myself.
PRAISE KAGA. AN OFFICIAL TRANSLATION!
I can’t wait to see a LP of this too. There’s one guy on YouTube that tried to do a translation at the same time, but it’ll be nice to read it clearly!
The most common method I’ve been seeing (and myself have used) would be to have: a BraveBow + unit, 2 Dancers (at least one that can teleport), and a blue unit that can make ranged attacks (so either a blue mage or Camus). I would have to say this would literally be the hardest GHB to date because infernal basically requires you to have a Dancer(s); they both need to be trained up too with good skills because they have to soak up some hits as well (essentially you can’t just bring LV1 dancers and expect them to not ever be in range of attacks).
I want to say YAY!, but seeing a free game turning into a paid one just for the west because of localization (yes I know it can be hard work) puts me off. I wish he had just let the game be open for fans to (I guess slowly) do translations instead, since that would’ve been free.
I would happily pay twice over and then some for an official translation. If only I could be a part of the staff I would make adjustments to the game for better presentations and control. As well as artbook and CD edition with design works and interviews. It is truly an honor that he finally opens his doors to other regions.
Is the enemy reinforcements really necessary?! I can’t even beat Infernal mode, these videos from YouTube aren’t helping at all! As for the other videos made by the cheaters who inherited Reposition and crap?! SCREW THAT!!
Pretty cool, though part of me wishes this could become an eShop release on the 3DS. Playing on that feels a lot more natural than trying to play on my computer. Plus I could play it anywhere that way. 🙂
I beat it with Klein, Brave axe Cherche, TA Henry and Olivia: https://youtu.be/SQ64QQooPE0
Giving Wing of Mercy to Klein was crucial to succeed, the additional red knight was a pain in the ass to kill.
Alright, finally; all the super obvious characters are confirmed and we can look forward to some unexpected reveals.
I am by no means disparaging including these characters, but we all saw it coming as soon as the game was announced, so I am looking forward to some surprises in the roster.
Not all of them, Elise, Sakura and Azura are still missing and I can’t help but think that it’d be odd for them to omit them at this point, especially if Hinoka and Leo could make it in (easily the least popular of the Fates siblings).
A good point, I had forgotten about the two youngest sisters and Azura…
So there’s still a little more to get out of the way before we can get to the real surprises!
It’s one month before it releases in Japan. I don’t think that’s a lot of time for reveals, unless week-by-week, they spill out the whole game’s guts.
And those three will be in there. They’ll probably be all revealed in like, mid-September or something. And if we don’t see them at all, they’re probably gonna be like a ploy for DLC or something.
But rest assured, they’ll be in there. No doubt about it.
Hm, I guess you’re right – there’s not much time for anything else to be revealed, but the roster is expected to be ~40 characters. I guess we’ll be finding out most of the cast when the game is released!
40 characters? Let’s recap. There’s Xander, Leo, Camilla, Corrin, Cordellia, Marth, Xander, Ryoma, Hinoka, Takumi, Chrom, Tiki (Presumably since she’s got an amiibo for this game), Robin, Frederick, Lucina, and Lissa. That’s 16 characters revealed. Nearly half. Assuming that Elise, Azura, and Sakura are in there as well, that’s 19.
Honestly, going back to your original comment, there’s STILL a lot more obvious characters for IS to put in there that it’ll be a shocker if they WEREN’T in there. Examples are Olivia, Tharja, Nowi, Severa/Selena, Charlotte, Peri, Cherche, Caeda, Minerva, Palla, Catria, Est, Sumia. Assuming these are in there, that’s about 32 characters in total leaving only room for 8 for the surprises you’re looking forward to. I’m sure I missed some but the ones I listed are from how much I talk about them with my friends and whatnot.
We’ll see, though. Though personally with all the news I’ve been reading here about the game, this is all stuff that I’ve expected from the very beginning ever since it was said that only Shadow Dragon, Awakening, Fates, and Mystery of the Emblem characters though we haven’t seen anything from Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem yet.
Perhaps I have been unclear of what I meant by “surprises” – I am simply referring to non-main characters who weren’t guaranteed a slot from the get go (other than obvious super popular picks like Tharja).
Clearly you and your friends have a very different outlook on the roster than I do. Characters like Olivia, Charlotte, Peri, and heck even the White Wing sisters would all classify as “surprises” in my book given they’re not exactly what I would call obvious picks, so I would be happy to see them all the same.
I guess what I’m getting at is what sounds obvious to you is at least a slight breath of fresh air to me. I’m not trying to say that I disagree with your assessment, more like I’m just trying to maintain a positive outlook on a game that has received some pretty harsh backlash from fans of the series 🙂
Personally I would love to see Selkie or Velouria… even though their chances are slim to none…
Yes, there is a difference in outlooks between us when it comes to the roster. If you disagree, you’re free to do so. I was merely counseling my thoughts to you that I thought would be helpful for you to know, especially with the time between now and the release of the game in Japan.
Yeah, I didn’t know the release date was getting so close – that being said, the chance for these “surprise” reveals that so many of us hoped for is dwindling quite quickly.
If I could put my hand on you shoulder in sympathy, I would. If you’re sure you’re going to enjoy the game regardless of what characters there are in it, whether it’d be your favorites or not, you go right ahead if it’ll make you happy.
Well, considering I do enjoy Musou style games, and the Switch is rather lacking in that department right now, I imagine that I will pick this up regardless of the choice of cast – especially since it seems to be bringing some… interesting mechanics to the table.
I certainly sympathize with the FE fans who are being let down by this spin-off, as it does certainly seem to ignore a large portion of the franchise’s history.
Yeah, a lot of people are feeling alienated by this game. I was told by one of my friends that this game was in development BEFORE Echoes was announced, so it’s likely they made the decision to include Shadow Dragon, Fates, Awakening, and Mystery of the Emblem characters long ago.
Oh is that right? That would actually help to explain some of why this game doesn’t seem to recognize the rather, uh, toxic divide in the community’s perception of the direction the series is headed.
I’ll maintain hope that this game could actually be fun, even if it isn’t necessarily good hahaha.
Honestly, the release date of this game should have been pushed back because this game does something very differently than Heroes and Echoes. Echoes actually introduces new players to the past of this franchise and Heroes does the same thing while being inclusive with ALL games of the franchise, getting all the givens out of the way and then later adding new characters from different and older games in.
See, Warriors doesn’t do any of that. I think that’s one of the reasons why the reception is what it is. Honestly, if Nintendo/Intelligent Systems was paying attention to the divide at all or keeping in touch, they should have pushed the release date back. They would have more time to add in more characters from different franchises to satisfy older and newer fans alike. There was even an interview about Echoes where one of them said (I can’t remember who) that they wanted to make Echoes as a way to educate newcomers that started with Awakening/Fates on games that existed before Awakening/Fates and it seemed like Heroes was doing that, too. But Warriors seems to undermine the efforts that Heroes and Echoes were trying to do to introduce newcomers to characters from earlier titles by deviating from this path and stretching this toxic divide further and further.
I’m in complete agreement with you on that.
Even if they had just picked one other old school game, say from the Jugdral, Elibe or even Tellius stories, they could have done a much better job of making Warriors a homage to Fire Emblem as a whole and made a game for ALL of the fans.
I am incredibly happy you see what I was getting at. Like, for example, if they were trying to sell this game based on characters that are popular, Lyn and Ike should have been a shoe-in because they were #1 on the Choose your Legends event in Heroes in their respective genders with Lyn, beating the likes of Lucina, Camilla, and even Tharja!
It should have been a sign for them to include those two in the game, but I guess they were too far into development to change course or something. My friend also said to me that some people prefer Heroes which is a MOBILE game over Warriors and others have even said that they’d prefer the OCs of Heroes, Alfonse and Sharena over Liana and Rowan, the OCs of Warriors. Very troubling signs, to say the least.
Absolutely – Heroes and Warriors are both at their service games about Fan Service (And I’m not talking about Camilla’s kind). They’re games that draw their crowd based on appealing to the fans of the series, but Warriors is clearly ignoring far too many fans, so its perfectly understandable that people are upset.
The Chose your Legends poll should have been a wake up call, seeing Ike and Lyn topping the charts – with even Roy netting himself a high rating. None of those are “modern” FE anymore.
This isn’t the first time Nintendo has signed off on a spin-off game that questionably utilizes only the original and newest installations of a series, either. Pokemon Rumble, way back on Wii, pulled only from the first and 4th (the most recent at the time) generation of Pokemon.
For some reason it seems like Nintendo’s idea of paying homage to their fans is to simply take the oldest and newest titles and mash them together, rather than actually listening to what the fans are saying about their series.
One of my other friends told me that a lot of Japanese developers are becoming notorious for being out of touch with their customers these days. I begrudgingly have to say that Intelligent Systems and Nintendo are among those that are leaning in that direction. I have not played Rumble on the Wii so for you to say this to me speaks volumes on what I just recalled my other friend telling me.
Ah, that’s unfortunate, but it certainly wouldn’t be the most surprising thing to hear. I suppose all we can really do is hope and do our best to make sure the voices of the fans are reaching the developers – not a very appealing prospect, admittedly… :
YESSSS! Ahh I’m so happy.. Also I noticed they were pretty lazy on Camilla’s hair animation. I don’t think I’d be surprised if they left Azura out just because of her hair. But if they didn’t, I’d be interested to see how that would look pfft
Of course they have a chance! Tiki brought dragonstone into this. To make a whole category for one character is wasteful. They at least should bring 1-2 other characters that are animals into this so it won’t be empty. My guesses are Nowi (popular Awakening dragon), Keaton and Kaden (completely different beasts that are unique in their own ways).
Characters look great and—Camilla aside (obviously)—aren’t hyper-sexualized as I expected from Koei Tecmo. Those voices, though…ugh. I hope we get the option to play with Japanese dialogue and subtitles.
I’m pretty sure for all the revealed characters, besides Marth and the new characters and maybe Robin/Corrin, they used pre-existing models made by Intelligent Systems for the cutscenes in their respective games. They said they used Chrom’s at least originally when development started.
Right? They completely obliterated Camilla’s voice from semi-seductive to….whatever was in that video. And they made Hinoka, my one and only true love in FE:Fates into….just another fucking girl! I mean I understand the need to change VAs for whatever reason, but there could be at least a little effort to get the voices and tones close >.>
I’d be really surprised if we don’t get Azura. I didn’t expect them to do all of the Fates siblings.. I thought for sure we’d get Camilla and Takumi. Especially after getting Cordelia I didn’t expect Hinoka. Don’t know if I should expect Caeda or not anymore.. thought she’d be a lock.
If there are, nobody seems to have figured it out yet. But there are some real madmen out there, so perhaps you’ll eventually find a video uploaded, or some strategy submitted on Reddit or whatever. People have found SI-less solutions to battles I’d have never expected.
It didn’t helped me at all. My 4-Star Gordin is weak.
But, I took a deep breath and did a similar strategy to that, and while I did use my 4-Star Olivia and my 4-Star Donnel, unlike that person in the video, I used my 5-Star Klein and my 5-Star Reindhart. Turns out Klein is more powerful than Gordin, and I had to spend the crystals to level Klein up.
Can you remember your strat? The 3rd hard mode map is the only one that’s eluding me I’ve tried mages, duel dancers, horse emblem, armor emblem, and armor killers and I haven’t had any luck. It’s mildly frustrating to be honest.
I used Hector, Azura, Genny and Tobin. Hector because he can survive the attacks and defeat almost all enemy units (except te green ones) and my Hector have Pivot as his assist skill. Azura as a dancer, so any dancer can be used. Genny as a healer with Physic, and Tobin with the Armorslayer and also Triangle Adept .
Thanks a lot all I had to do is give Tobin triangle adept and rally speed since my hector is a -spd so that is why Sanaki was giving me such a bad time when I was initially trying before.
Hmm. Idk, she’s been in quite a lot lately. Started as one of the main characters of the now biggest game in the series, but has also appeared in:
– Super Smash Bros
– Monster Hunter
– Codename Steam
– Project X Zone
– Fates
– Echoes
She was one of 8 characters chosen as a promotional character for FE Heroes on mobile, in which she was one of the top 3 fan-voted favorites, and currently has 3 versions in the game. She’s definitely one of the more well-known characters.
Admittedly seeing Lucina and Marth fighting alongside one another isn’t exactly interesting, since Lucina’s fighting style is essentially a carbon copy of Marth’s.
However, I am looking forward to seeing how some of the more disparate characters combine their skills in these kinds of attacks; there’s a lot of room for cool and flashy combos.
That’s good to hear! Have there been any videos released that show Marth’s gameplay? I’m eager to see a comparison of all our resident Falchion wielders.
I don’t have one on hand, but he focuses much more on like teleport slashes and thrusts, like he warps around as if he’s moving too fast for the human eye in a number of them.
Um…did anyone else notice the little line of text across the top when Hinoka appears?
“Please note that this game will only be available with English Voiceover.”
This does NOT look good.
It’s happening! Didn’t they say CYL is coming in the summer? If so they’re cutting it pretty close~
In an ideal world CYL would be a set of freebies (or at least one guaranteed hero), but I doubt that’s gonna happen. Guess IS really was trying to bait all our Orbs away before they dropped this 😛
Well whatever it is, I’m not too excited. After all, I definitely don’t have the orbs to take advantage of it, not that I’m complaining. I did pretty well with these last couple focuses. Ah well, I should be stocked up again by the Halloween/fall banner. That’s just how it goes
I don’t actually remember which heroes won, though I remember not being too excited at the time. I don’t know how good the fall units will be, but I’m confident the art will be excellent. It’d be great if they started giving us alternates of older characters, instead of just a select bunch of Awakening/Fates ones. I like them, but I’m burned out
Calling now that there’s main story maps about them and that they have similar outfits to Alfonse, Sharena and Anna. Hopefully art done by Kozaki. I wouldn’t be surprised if they went deeper into the top 10 as well, at least to Hector and Tharja (male and female 3rd place winners).
Crisper graphics or more fluid movement? Alrighty then.
I’m not sure which one I’ll go with, but I’ve never been one that’s picky about the graphics or frame rate. My guess is probably the 1080p 30fps, but I need the game in my hands to be sure.
Awesome now we only need dual audio, something along the lines of adventure mode from Hyrule warriors and dlc that focuses on other games in the series. Either way really looking forward to this.
If there’s a handheld option equivalent it would be 60 fps at something below 720p. Also, I don’t understand what you mean by most Switch games in handheld mode aren’t 1080. There isn’t a single game that can, the screen only goes up to 720p.
They still have to polish the game a lot and they are running out of time.
The framedrops that occur at 1080p@30FPS are preposterous. Even when it runs at 720p I highly doubt that Fire Emblem Warriors will run at stable 60 FPS. As someone who played the current version at Gamescom I expect a lot of performance patches. In the current state it’s not even remotely an optimized game.
I watched it live I was so exited by Ike when, of course they gave him Urvan, but also Griel’s cape and overall motif. Definitly choosing him as my free hero but also gonna get Lyn since she is the first horseback bow user. Wouldn’t say no to Lucina either but as usual Roy is the bottom of the list the Blazing Durandal is cool since it has Heavy Blade integrated on it but Galeforce is just kinda underwhelming to me since everyone else got something new, maybe not completely like Lucina’s drive speed but she’s still the first to have that one.
No they didn’t directly show him off with something newish (Likely because galeforce ties in directly to the heavy blade effect and is new to Roy and an uncommon special special skill while Lyn’s apparent draconic aura is more normal and she had a new new skill to display) but if you look after he activates galeforce he has whatever they’ll call the +4 spd/def (green/yellow icon) on initiation skill. Now of course there’s the possibility he won’t actually get it (Lyn seemed to have 3 passive skills when we saw her not sure what’s up with that) but if that skill is new I think that possibility is pretty low.
This is kind of a weird banner, but one I’ll try to be getting everyone on (even Lucina, who I don’t give two sharks about; though I prefer her with a lance and her Master Lord armor so that’s why I’m keeping her….though I would have preferred her using Gradivus). It’s weird because we have Lucina just in her final class but with some random-ass lance, Lyn in her father’s class but with a random-ass bow, and both young Ike and Roy just straight-up cosplaying as their dads complete with their weapons and in Roy’s case, his father’s horse.
EDIT: My main aim is Roy, but I’ll get Lucina for free, because I do NOT want to get another army of Donnels.
Lyn and Lucina don’t really possess any bows and lances that are respectively associated with them, and the Gradivus is pretty much Camus’ signature weapon so handing it off to Lucina would perhaps be off-putting.
The four heroes being essentially promoted variants of their usual selves makes sense when you consider that this banner is meant to be fanservice. Roy doesn’t possess anything significant belonging to Eliwood like how Ike inherited Greil’s Urvan, so being given his dad’s horse seems to be IS’ solution.
I wonder if Lyn’s bow is meant to be a localization of Sacae’s divine weapon, because then they’re kind of connected. Lucina’s lance is random as far as I can tell though
Yep. Mulagir is an alternative name for Murgleis, which is the name of the sword in Chanson de Roland that the bow’s name comes from (as well as a lot of other Elibean nomenclature). In particular, Mulagir is the German name for the same weapon in the adaptation of the play (Rolandslied). I would say I prefer Murgleis, but I guess that’s settled
Yeah.. Ike is going to destroy Roy, Hector will beat Chrom. Tharja vs. Camilla is also a tough one, but I think Tharja should edge out Camilla, though who knows with this jank-ass scoring system.
Woah, super cool. With the exception of Lyn, all the art is done by the original artists/designers for their respective games. Lyn is still done by the same artist who has done both of her Heroes artworks thus far.
I’m pretty sure that Sachiko Wada (the artist doing the CYL Roy) was the artist of Sacred Stones, not Binding Blade. The Roy here, especially on the face and shading, really evokes the art from FE8.
I wonder why Lyn’s voice actor is conspicuously missing. She’s still done by Wendee Lee, right? Or is this an indirect confirmation that she won’t be reprising her role?
I disagree. The CYL banner took votes from just about anyone as well as had various factors that made its way of determining votes weird, so it honestly isn’t the best way to judge popularity. And in this case, they’re is are many people who play heroes and didn’t vote, as well as those who voted, but didn’t play heroes or dropped it somewhere along the way. Too many variables imo.
True, but it’s still a decent indicator of how popular each character generally was. Lyn certainly isn’t the definitive winner for the females since Lucina is the more recent and relevant one and was also very close in the polls, but I still don’t think Camilla or Tharja will win on that side. However, Ike really seems to be the most obvious choice on the male side with Hector maybe having a chance because while Lucina and Lyn were close in scores, Ike (between his 2 games) almost doubles the next popular male character, Roy. So even though it’s not a perfect indicator, it still a strong enough one where I’m pretty confident in saying that Ike, Lucina or Lyn will win this gauntlet…my money is on Ike…though I’m probably gonna side with Hector or Camilla since I like me my axe wielding badasses.
Ike vs Roy? Crap. They want me to get over that hurdle first. Eh, we’ll do our best.
The real question is of course whether to drop my Orbs on this banner for Hector so I can get Distant Counter for my Roy or whether I should go for all 4 of the CYL Units themselves…
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Really awesome. Picking Ike, no questions asked. Awesome character, with an awesome set of skills, and massive Tellius bias on my end (the best kind of bias). Similarly, I’ll be supporting Ike in the gauntlet. Can’t come soon enough!
I have to take Lyn for the novelty (and the fact that I hate pulling colorless), but I’m hoping by the grace of any god that wants to listen that I’ll pull an Ike anyway (kind of want all four in fact). I don’t love the character, but I love the art and what it represents, and Tellius was definitely the high water mark for the series
Normally the answer is obvious with these gauntlets (let’s be honest, it’s either cute loli or which female has the *ahem* best assets). But this time, we know the Choose Your Legends even has spoken before. Lyn took first, but then Ike’s votes were split by having both a PoR and RD Ike option available, and one of them *still* made top for the men, and the other also got high, so I am definitely expecting that to be the finale. I think that sheer popularity can edge out the usual “Bust or Bust!” mentality that seems to go around the gauntlets a lot. This is not an easy victory for Tharja/Camilla. (And between those two, I’m expecting Tharja to win.)
Supporting my boy Ike, though, because I LIKE IKE!
Yeah same. It’s never gonna be that big but I get what you’re saying.
If they go the Hurule warriors route then we’re good.
That game started out only representing 3games in the series but now has characters from most titles.
after counting the revealed characters thus far (16 ignoring gender alternates) there should be 9 secret characters left on the base-roster to discover when the game releases.
You make a good point at least if your going for a character that’s actual color you can get people that has a robust skill set than half of them being unusable because they are healers. I’ll have to consider getting Lyn for free instead of Ike.
This is exactly my thought actually. There are so few colorless with useful kits or who distinguish themselves on their own merits. At least Donnel is a useful unit and has Reciprocal Aid and Drag Back, so I’ll tolerate a handful of them
Answered my own question. GameStop is taking preorders in-store, and online now as well (with a release of October 10th, which I’ll assume is a mistake).
Looking at that Narcian Infernal battle, it’s pretty clear IS hates horses.
Also, can someone explain Ike’s A skill to me? Should it be reducing the special counter? 4 defense in combat doesn’t seem worth slowing the special trigger otherwise.
His Urvan has a killing edge type effect. So Aether is 4 turns at the start instead of 5. Steady Breath is a defensive version of Heavy Blade on the normal Ike. When Ike takes a hit Special CD goes down by 2, in addition to the +4 Def.
Ike is so nasty against Reinhardt especially. XD Ike starts battle at 4 turn CD. If Reinhardt initiates an attack, Beorc’s blessing nullifies Hone and/or Fortify Cavalry. Reinhardt attacks once at normal damage, 2nd hit is 20% damage because of Urvan. Since Reinhardt struck twice, Ike’s cooldown for Aether goes from 4 to 0 letting him use it on his first counter attack. XD
Thank you! I think I was just confused because we typically refer to decreasing the trigger time instead of adding to it. Like Urban is decreasing the cool down count but Steady Breath increases the charge number. It means the same thing, but the language feels odd. I understand the distinction though: reducing cool down at start vs. Increasing charges in battle
Yeah, I agree that it’s confusing. I wish they would standardize their translations more. It’s the same kind of issue with the actual writing of Ike’s B Slot skill where it uses the “effective against” in a totally different way from how that phrasing is used in the rest of the game.
Until I read this article, I actually thought it meant he got a damage bonus against cavalry and flying units, which would’ve been nuts. I agree that’s its odd they haven’t standardized their language. That’s generally fundamental for stuff like this
Thanks for your explanation before reading it I was thinking of giving my Brave Ike Distant Counter instead but that is definitely a great skill for Ike.
Up to you. I haven’t played around with that skill myself since I didn’t get any summer characters, so I don’t know the extent of its effectiveness. I’m going to keep Ike and Lyn with their Base kit personally.
Oh, sure, they didn’t add Lunatic mode, but they did add Infernal mode, of all difficulties! Unless there’s a good strategy on how to beat Infernal mode WITHOUT Skill Inheritance (Skill Inheritance is for cheaters), I wouldn’t bother playing Infernal mode! But it was kind of easy clearing the quests of beating Narcian with my Anna and my own Narcian.
The Narshen quests were a joke, but damn was Infernal a bitch to deal with. As usual it’s possible with F2P, but it required an extra janky-ass strat to pull off.
Well, since I don’t have a Switch yet I’ll just get this LE + the 3DS version of the game, even though it’s certainly going to be the inferior version.
I got Brave Lyn as my free hero, and already got Brave Lucina. Now I am with 2 orbs… but thanks Mila we have this new free daily orbs and in September 1st we will have the September Quests for more Orbs.
Black Knight! Nephenee is definitely also a fan favorite. If they’re doing Tempest Trials though, hopefully that means another summoning banner from PoR/RD. If they one with Shinon, Mia, Illyana and/or Volke.. I’d probably lose my mind. I’d really like Elincia or Tibarn too though.
I hope Black Knight is a hero battle, so I can know I’ll get him. I’m waiting for Ellincia, because I like the character and because she’ll probably be unique as a new sword flier or a staff flier, which will help my currently ill-fated Flier Emblem team. I think they’ll eventually add laguz as colorless units, since that’s a weak pool currently (at least they’d be smart to do so).
A flyer healer would be interesting! I wouldn’t mind that. I expect Laguz units to be a new category altogether if/when they add them, like Dragons but doing physical damage instead of magic. Probably introduce Laguzslayer or specific weapons too at the same time.
Yeah, the other option is to go the dragon route and give them colors, but they wouldn’t be able to do it by tribe, since the numbers of each probably aren’t balanced. Probably more likely that you’re right, but I kind of hope I am
I had 100 orbs to spend I chose Lyn as my free to avoid colorless hell and the only other one I really wanted was Ike, would have minded the other two, but I could have lived with just Lyn and Ike. I of course got barely any green orbs and currently have Lyn, Lucina, and Roy >.> hope the free orbs will be enough to get Ike been super sick and out of work for a couple months so my cash reserves are strapped. But hey Black Knight and Nephenee would like Jill, Illyana, Volke, or Astrid as well but wouldn’t say no to any other PoR characters, which I’m assuming they will be given that that’s PoR armor for the both of them.
So Sakura will probably appear too. Maybe Sakura’s weapon will be the Bloom Festal, with the use of scrolls or bows.
Also, I loved to ear a Warriors’ version of Road Taken, one of my favorite tracks of Fates.
Likely characters from Shadow Dragon could be Ceada, Minerva, Jeagan, Merric, Linde, Jeorge and Tiki. I’d like to see some rep from Echoes especially with it being the most recent FE game, but unlikely at this point. We have 20 announced characters already (including F Robin who isn’t story mode playable). So with Sakura and maybe Azura to round out the core Fates cast, and 3ish Shadow Dragon characters with one being Tiki (since we already have the amiibo announced), that’ll probably be the Vanilla version, afterwards they’ll start to give the much demanded Hector, Ephraim, and so on as DLC. Personally, I’d love to see some of the Laguz from the Telius games, specifically Ranulf and Tibarn. Also to keep in mind are the villain characters, they say there are 25 character cards, but they might only be of the heroes and none of the villains who, as Warriors games have made a staple, been playable in non-story mode extras.
It’s disappointing that only 3 games are likely to get rep in the base, but I don’t know what people were expecting…they’re going to use the most popular and marketable characters. If you don’t want the game or you want Nintendo to know how you feel, speak with your money and don’t buy it, they are a business after all.
I don’t think it surprises anybody at this point. Obviously we’re getting every single one of the Fates siblings. Honestly, I just want a couple inclusions that aren’t painfully predictable, because this is honestly just kinda boring to me.
Makes you wish Tharja and Camilla had taken 1st and 2nd in the choose your hero campaign, right? How fun would it have been to see Nintendo try to work around the fanservice to make this promo?
It was silly but I liked it. Also I saw an interview with the developers of Heroes about a week ago were they talked about a few things but mostly gave vague answers about what the sacred coins do and something dealing with supports anyone else hear any more on that?
It’s Ced. Ced’s name in Japanese is Sety, like the crusader, and since Cipher is Japanese only (and Ced is known as Sety for a long, long time, at least till Awakening’s release IIRC), Sety is still a popular name for him.
This is partially the reason why I want a Jugdral Echoes game.
Yeah, Seti and Ced are two names for the same person. I’m not quite up to date on all of the newfangled names, especially for those characters that I’ve been thinking of as someone else for so long now. >_>
Wasn’t Moment of Fate the chapter title where Ike faced the Black Knight? I predict well see a Radiant Tempest Trial with Nephenee as a free reward then!
Anyone have some SP grinding techniques that they could share? I’m trying to get my brave heroes so they have full skills unlocked but its slow even with the bonus. However I fought quite a few brave heroes, most of which were just base no hero merging, that have skill inheritance and there normal skills completely maxed out. i.e. Brave Ike with Aether, Reposition, Distant Counter, Beorc’s Blessing, and Infantry March3 but going into his character skill list still has Steady Breath and Threaten Def 3 bought.
The Brave Heroes are strong enough that they’ll rarely ever have trouble with the enemies in Tenth Stratum, which is pretty much the go-to place for SP farming. Other than that, complete any unfinished maps you have such as the Chain Challenges.
Summer Tiki, Summer F Robin, and Gray respectively possesses Axe Valor, Lance Valor, and Sword Valor; if you have any of them, put them in the same team as Ike/Lucina/Roy to increase SP gain. No Bow Valor so Lyn’s out of luck in this regard.
Tempest Trials are fantastic for SP farming, and you’ll have three days to grind on the mini one before the bonus expires.
As a I learned from a helpful youtuber (who learned from reddit), the most stamina efficient way to gain SP is to grind normal Chain Challenges. The method involves surrendering on the 10th and final map so that you keep the full SP gained from the previous 9 maps and don’t clear the Chain Challenge (otherwise, the cleared map drops from 3SP per enemy killed to 1SP). I believe the best map to do is Chapters 9 &10 (there was a chart; I don’t remember it exactly). Double SP weekends stacked with Axe valor earned me about 500 SP per run.
All the enemies are roughly level 35 (just high enough to gain SP from) with few or no skills making them easy to take out with one unit if he has a good support team of buffers, healer, and dancer
Nah, the special maps will only have the characters that are confirmed in Fire Emblem Warriors, such as Marth, Chrom, Robin, Corrin, Ryoma, Xander, and the rest of the Shepherds from Fire Emblem Awakening and the Hoshidans and Nohrians from Fire Emblem Fates. No Rowan or Lianna.
Tempest Trials Mini, huh? Well, this ought to be fun. But wait? The reward is “Marth” again?! Come on! How lazy can they be?! I wanted a new character from Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade!
I never got a chance to do any of these till now, so for a 2nd chance at it will be great! Plus u could just +1 ur marth. Plus it a mini event till the big one coming. So no its not lazy. Just something small, till the bigger one.
For Marth coming with skills I kind of doubt it but I got 5 star marth last time but ill take a +2 marth (leveled my 4 star as well) but I missed quicked pulse because I got extremely sick around the time it was about to end so I hope that’s there too.
Nope. If this is the same Masked Marth (and it looks that way), she will come with a Falchion as her weapon and that’s it. No other skills. Same stats as neutral IV Lucina.
I’ve got a +2 +def -hp Lucina, theoretically I don’t need another 5* Masked Marth, but the ideia of getting a merged 5* unit for free is very very good, so of course I will be getting her.
The first Tempest Trial was really hard. We had difficult battles to got only few points, so not that much players got a 5 stars “Marth” from this Tempest Trial (I am one of this players).
I am really happy to have a new chance to get “Marth” again, so I can have a Full 5-Stars Lucina team.
I can’t even imagine the effort you had to put in to claim “Marth” from the first TT, because the hardest trial offered a disproportionately low amount of points.
I put in roughly the same amount of effort on the first TT and the previous one; I respectively reached scores around 27,000 and >100,000.
The first tempest trials was absolutely disgusting. Screw that green tome loli and her massive inflated stats.
I don’t even know how I mustered the inner strength to get Quick Impulse.
Tempest finally got good on the second Echoes one when you could have your Gray and Sonya with beefed stats and rock the world. The daily bonus also made it so much more rewarding in the end.
I actually maxed out the first Tempest Trials (I wanted the orbs as a F2P player). I won’t say I regret it, but I also won’t say I’m not a little scarred. It really sucked, but I had it down to a science in the end. My fingers moved through that final map automatically
You’ve never played other mobile games before have you? Because doing re-run “lite” versions of events is a common thing, it allows the newer players to get the same content as the older players.
Ha called Sakura wielding a yumi and knew obviously Male Corrin would involved in some way via choice fit the actual game which is cool now Azura is left to be shown for the Fates side!
Eh it’s unlikely, especially since F!Corrin’s already been marketed as the sole representative of the two as far as Story Mode goes. That being said it is very possible that your choice of Rowan or Lianna will determine which side of the conflict you start out on (ex. Rowan was featured without his sister amongst the Hoshidan royal family).
I think your putting too much into the small % of hardcore fans getting salty over Fates. This game will do fine over here, just a small % with lots of time to talk smack haha.
I disagree with the idea that the people disappointed are a small percentage. I think that a decent portion of the community are disappointed that such a small fraction of a series with as long and storied a history as fire emblem is is being represented in every crossover game they’ve made.
I don’t think enough people will be upset enough for it to effect their purchase, but it is a disappointing trend as the results of the heroes poll showed that people really love some of the older titles.
I know that unless some characters I love get introduced soon that I’m not going to be able to bring myself to buy this. Which is a shame given how much I love both fire emblem and warriors gameplay.
I’ll likely buy it whenever the inevitable dlc comes out with older characters, in part to show that including them is what is selling the copy, but it makes me sad given what happened in Hyrule Warriors my favorite characters arn’t going to be allowed to touch the story mode at all.
There is a limit in room of how many chars can be in story mode, the fact people want 100+ chars in the story mode, makes me roll my eyes. I get we all want our fav chars in a game. but if people got what they wanted, they would be crying the story makes no sense and it feels weird to have 100 chars all thrown in peoples faces… Game play/Story and what people are are two different things when doing game design.
I imagine they chose to focus on a small number FE games to draw characters from to make a more cohesive story, which yeah it could be argued that wasn’t an issue with Hyrule Warriors, but that story wasn’t very good in that game since it just boiled down, “let go to this Zelda world for 2 battles and meet this character.” Something else to keep in mind is that there are going to be supports unlike Hyrule Warriors, so they definitely want there to be a higher focus on character/story development as oppose to the bare minimum was got from Hyrule Warriors.
I imagine/hope that each additional character that we’ll also get an added side story aspects focused on them like with Heroes and that each character get supports of their own. We’ll be able to gauge things out with F Robin who isn’t going to be involved in the main story; if she has supports then it’s reasonable to assume that DLC characters will get supports too and be more than just a gameplay addition.
I think you misunderstand the opposition’s argument. People aren’t arguing for some 100+ character roster, they’re asking for some amount of representation from games that aren’t awakening or fates.
I’m not asking for 15 Elibe characters, but where is Lyn or Hector? I don’t think the entire Griel Mercenaries needs to be playable, but Ike and Sorin would be cool.
I was excited when Cordelia got announced because it was something I didn’t expect. Everyone knew from pretty much day one that all of the fates siblings would be in it, they aren’t really news. With the game so close to release can you really blame people for being a bit upset at the roster as shown? It feels to people like this is practically the final roster, and in a game like this it’s critically under-representing the series.
You don’t need to disregard arguments just because you disagree with them.
I’m not disregarding mate, I understand ur pain. I’m just trying to see it from a game dev’s point of view. I think they know people want Ike/Lyn ect, but adding in every char that people love, would be a large under taking. And even if they got 100 chars, some one will get upset there fav was not in.
They prob had to say, Ok lets pick the 3 3DS games and just work with that “For now” and look at DLC’s after. I know I will spend 95% of my time doing the end game stuff.
I’m just waiting for the day that coverage ends for this game and it becomes forever forgotten just like #FE. Then we can start seeing if FE Switch is as good as Echoes and the older games or as bad as Awakening, Fates, and Herpes.
Salty? Maybe so. My way? That I want a more equal representation of characters rather than a focus of two games and Marth? I don’t know about you but ‘my way’ seems to be the way that would make the most amount of people happy.
“Your way” also happens to be unrealistic given the sheer scale of the Fire Emblem franchise. Assuming each non-remake received two characters, the roster would be 24-large; which you’ll notice is extremely close to the roster count of the game at present.
Two characters per game nowhere comes near “equal representation”, and even bumping the limit to three characters per game is unreasonable since the vast majority of first installments in the hack and slash genre contain playable characters in the 20 range. Until FEW becomes its own series with renown on par with Dynasty Warriors or even Samurai Warriors, you have to be content with your two dozen characters.
The only feasible solution for increasing character count at this point in time would be to create gameplay clones, but people like you will no doubt throw a fit about that as well.
Honestly, two characters from each game sounds vastly superior to what we’re currently getting. At least by doing that, no one will have any right to complain. What’s really unrealistic is assuming that everyone’s favorite characters will get in. If I wanted Sain and Kent gets in, then I would’ve just shut up and taken what I’ve gotten. Also, if you count FE1/3, 4/5, 6/7, and 9/10 as four separate games, you can fit in even more characters. And that is also disregarding the potential of dlc.
There are quite a few routes that could’ve been taken in the creation of this game, but they took one of the shittiest ones. And yet there are apologists that are fine with their decisions. Well, no wonder, they can play with their precious waifus after all.
Great. Now that you got that out of your system, you can take the game for what it is and just have fun with it. We are lucky this game is even being made. Just because your “equal representation” didn’t happen, doesn’t mean this game won’t be enjoyable.
Eh? Extreme opinion? I don’t remember even mentioning gameplay.
Actually, fyi, I have the switch limited + the 3ds version preorderered. I’m looking forward to playing it for what is, for the same reason I’ve played FE13/14 for 90 and 180 hours respectively. I can’t go around claiming the game is shit without giving it a proper chance first. However, that doesn’t mean the game is free from criticism, and character selection is a big part of what makes the game for me, whether or not the gameplay is stellar.
Sorry, but you didn’t have to mention gameplay to take an extreme standpoint. An Tran stated, “I’m just waiting for the day that coverage ends for this game and it becomes forever forgotten just like #FE.” That sounds like an extremely negative point of view and you said, “He’s right you know.” So I assume you agree this game should be forgotten, meaning it has nothing of noteworthiness despite you having not even played it.
Oh, that. I figured he was making a joke (as he usually posts semi-ironically while still making a point) and I responded with the Freeman meme in mind. I’m confident he was exaggerating. ‘Forgotten’ is a bit harsh, but it hasn’t left a good first impression on me, that’s for sure.
lol Echoes isn’t some golden standard for FE like you people think it is, it had it’s plethora of problems just like every other game in the series. To put all the older games and Echoes on this pedestal as an ideal FE game, and Awakening/Fates as the worst in the series just makes you look retarded. Take off the nostalgia glasses.
I mean when it comes to presentation (voice acting, art, etc) it should be the golden standard, it is the best of the series in that aspect. I agree though, the game has its many negative aspects which are somewhat because of the game being too faithful the original, which is considered the worst of the series by many.
Omega Force is pretty great at what they do, so I suspect people will be discussing FEW for a long while given that it already presents itself as more complex than HW.
Being one of the few original RPGs of the Wii U, I also suspect #TMS will be vindicated in later years. It may not have been what everyone wanted and expected, but it still turned out pretty fun in the end with the DDS-style battles.
While Echoes WAS a step up from Awakening and Fates in terms of storytelling it still had it’s very noticeable flaws and didn’t even bother to improve the map design, I’m just hoping FE Switch doesn’t give us another taste of Mary Sue Emblem and IntSys doesn’t fuck up again.
What I’m REALLY hoping for most though is that we don’t need to suffer from another painful localization fiasco.
You can get one stalk of corn if you go Rowan, a female stalk of corn if you go Lima Bean, or if you go the third Marth route you can get both stalks for an extra $19.99 (USD)
Oh man, Sakura got revealed. We only had all the other Fates siblings barring Azura, I could’ve never guessed this was coming!…
I’m sorry, this has just gotten old for me ages ago. I think I’ve stated this before, but I want to see my expectations subverted. I want to see things that I don’t think are horribly predictable. Azura is basically inevitable right now, Tiki was hinted at before through the amiibo, and I’m sure they’re gonna throw in a couple villains. (What are the odds we’ll see Garon and Validar, at least? Maaaybe Gharnef and/or Medeus…) So how many characters large is the roster at that point? I don’t want this game to disappoint me… but it’s doing absolutely nothing to steer away from that.
Validar has actually been soft-confirmed (unknown if playable). A screenshot of the new History Mode shows him speaking to Chrom and M!Robin (since the particular map for that mode appears to be the Interlude/Chapter 23 of Awakening).
Oh, I love the idea of the History Mode (as a Spanish user I hope how the mode will be called as History and Story use the same word in Spanish, “Historia”).
I also love the skill system, and the return of the character progression with badges from HW.
It also seems that finally we get the “multiweapon” characters with this class changes (maybe their denial was for the base classes).
However, I prefer 1000 times Walhart… but probably Validar was the most “consistent” option (also it WILL be playable, as Ganondorf, Zant and Ghirahim are playable characters in Hyrule Warriors).
Warriors games have had bosses who weren’t playable at all before, which is why I’m cautious to just straight out say its like Hyrule Warriors in this case quite yet.
Fire Emblem Warriors is following many steps of Hyrule Warriors (maybe because to ensure their fans into this new crossover, maybe because being the second Nintendo crossover with Warriors), so I assume this won’t be different (as they also confirmed the badges from HW).
Obviously, you’re writting a news post, so you can’t put personal opinions, but I used my “normal user superpowers” (XD) to say my personal opinion. Obviously can be the chance of not being playable, but considering is the only sorcerer confirmed so far and (again, in my opinion) add a potential playable character only as a boss would be ridiculous I think Validar is 99% probable to be a playable character.
Validar is the most logical option for an Awakening villain, IMO. Wouldn’t mind Aversa coming alongside him, think it would make sense. Do we have reason to believe that the 25 character thing is a hard limit? Maybe they won’t make cards for all the characters.
My guess is that the 25 character limit is for the heroes and not the villains. So I imagine that vanilla FE Warriors will have 25 heroes and how ever many villains, with all the villains hopefully being playable. I’d also like Aversa too, which isn’t out of the realm of possibilities since it seems vanilla is only going to have 3 games with representation.
I think this doesn’t change anything. Again with Hyrule Warriors, we had Cia, Volga and Wizzro as unplayable bosses, but later they were playable as a free DLC soon after the game launch. Also, in the video Koei Tecmo used to reveal playable enemies, they revealed first the characters and after the capability of play with them (from the beginning). I’m still sure Validar (and the other bosses they’ll reveal) will be playable (and most likely from launch).
Again, is a prediction that can fail, but I still think this changes nothing (is quite probable the article refers to his appearance in this mode).
Hearing all this stuff is a big relief. Really hope they make some villains playable either here or in the dlc, especially the Black knight. Give me the Black knight!!!
How many DLC characters were there in Hyrule Warriors? IIRC around a dozen? Sorry, I didn’t really follow the DLCs to closely in that game. If they put out around the same amount, I’d say that’s roughly only enough to cover the main lords of the older games.
If I remember correctly the original game had 16 and the dlc added 13. But it also added new weapons and thus completely new movesets for existing characters (which I doubt they will put in the dlc this time around). Also fe has waaayyy more potential characters than Zelda (really felt like they needed to scrape the barrel sometimes for the dlc). So I’m hoping that they double the amount of characters or close to it.
The same kind they’ve been taking since Fates itself was released. Male Corrin was depicted as Hoshidan way back in the cover for Birthright, and female Kana was similarly the Hoshidan ally in Heirs of Fate.
“The allies share a mutual respect.” But my Robin and Lucina are mother and daughter…
However I am amused that there is officially a sprite representing “you” in the game now. XD
I’m not into the support system here. They say they’re looking out for a power creep but that’s kind of all that seems like to me. That said, it’s cool that they seem aware of some of the complaints people are having. They did indirectly reveal that coins won’t have anything to do with boons or banes, as people hoped, but I’m still holding out for a hero shop or skill shop. They’ll have to make them available by other means though
Last, I actually don’t have too much of an issue with cavalry teams. Yes it would be a bummer if everyone used one (and I think more “active” players do than their numbers indicate), but they’re actually really easy to build and for the most part the best weapon F2P players have against difficult PvE challenges. It’s also pretty much impossible to lose to another cavalry team when using m a cavalry team in arena, though facing seven of them in a row in arena assault is not fun.
Maybe I’m just not as hardcore as a lot of fans, but they keep adding more and more complexity to the game and for me that’s making it lose a lot of it’s appeal. I’m surprised it’s evolved as fast as it has, I’m struggling to keep up.
Is there a specific spot within Heroes where you can do that, or do we have to use the App Store review system? I’ve been looking for a spot like that within Heroes and haven’t been able to find one.
I’m more of a hardcore fan but even I think they’re adding too much too fast. At one point its going to be hard to keep on topping what we already have so the game will most likely be stagnant with new features. They should be stretching out the release date on these things. Not to mention how pointless some of these things are. Like the support system and the daily battles (the seriously could have just given us 2 orbs a day instead of making us waste AP to do those redundant quests. Only ones who would have trouble would be those who literally start the game on the same day. All you have to do is basically just auto battle for waste in AP and a free orb). Obviously support is a way to boost your characters with everything being powercreeped. But just like the vounting gauntlet, they’re not trying to actually fix the problems but just superficially putting a bandaid over it.
Why were you even expecting support convos for this type of game in the first place? that would be too much space consumption the short text and brief VA is good enough.
OR…you can just wait for someone to post a video showing how to do it using on F2P and no SI. Every event and challenge like the GHB and SA 1 and 2 have videos like that. It really comes down to using janky skills and under utilized characters for many of these F2P strats.
New challenge? Time to trial and error it up. Also, it’s about time we got word on Nephenee and the Black Knight. Now when it comes to the fliers, I’d say Palla is the most useful for SI fodder with Palla giving the often used Moonblow. Next would be Narcian who is the only one that gives Lancebreaker at 4*. Least useful is Est much to the dismay of her own archetype.
Well Infernal mode has me stumped so far. I guess I’ll wait for the community to bail me out. Love the artwork. Really hope I don’t have to try to pull for them (Nephenee seems like the Tempest Trials prize and I would’ve sworn the Black Knight would be a Hero Battle, except that one is currently scheduled for this month). I really hope the Black Knight makes armor more viable (Distant Counter Alondite with Amelia’s stats would be a good starting point).
As for the fliers, has to be Narcian for exclusivity and Lancebreaker, but I would’ve really liked to see Hinoka here, even as a 4*, just for Hone Fliers
Personally I think Black Knight will appear as the boss of the Tempest Trials and will be available as a GHB later on in October after the Trials are over. Just a theory, though.
This is my thought too. Black Knight will be a GHB after the Trial ends. This will be like Clive, who appeared in the chapter maps and then as a reward in the Tempest Trial a month later.
I also think this is likely. I think it’s pretty much certain from the name of the event that he will appear as the final boss of the Trials, and given the timing, a Hero Battle in October would make sense. I’m really hoping though
Speaking personally, I tweeted for Palla. I still need a good Palla for Flier Emblem, and my only one right now has a bad nature. I seem to be unlucky summoning her. I guess it doesn’t help that most of the units I’ve wanted lately are Blues.
Narcian sounds like coming out of nowhere between the White Wings xD ! Minerva or Michalis will have more reasons, but ok! Haha… Mmm, maybe I will go for Est this time since I already have a 5*Catria and a 4*Palla
Finally, I can get the Quickened Pulse Sacred Seal! But, I have no use for Masked Marth, that character is weak without skills! Also, Hector is the boss of this Mini Tempest Trial? …Just, why?
Do you happen to have a Lucina? If not, or if you only have one with a bad boon/bane combination (like me, +HP/-Atk is not fun), I think putting a bit of effort into building Masked Marth is quite worthwhile. I’ve built mine into a medic set with Renewal and Reciprocal Aid, and it’s really really nice in Tempest Trials and Chain Challenges, and makes a pretty reliable unit in her own right. Of course, it takes a good bit of effort and resources to get there, but I think it’s worth it. And hey, this second coming means I can merge mine to +1, completely for free. I can’t complain.
Hector being the boss is most likely a gag, since the Hector on “Marth’s” side states the enemy berserker wouldn’t be a match for him. Having them be the same person would be the joke in this case.
Welp, now that Boey has broken my 4% pity rate on the CYl banner (at least it was a good Boey, will be worth building), it’s time for me to save orbs again. And this TT hands them out like candy, thanks to the halved score requirements. I can save myself a good bit of grinding taking advantage of the tripled score on the first two runs of every day on the 7-map Lunatic challenge, then I’ll just do some auto-battle runs on Hard-5 to boost the score further.
Ah yes, let’s give out the same rewards for a much lower score total that some people worked hella hard to achieve previously. Sounds fair. I guess I’ll get some extra feathers for my troubles, but shit man. Even though the event is shorter it’s not particularly difficult to rack those points up.
Agreed. I maxed out the Trials the first time and it was not fun at all. Although that one gave out more orbs than this one (I believe), and the Distant Defense seal is new, so there’s that
So because the last ones were long boring and too hard for others, they should just make them all the same because you had to work hard on one, so we all have to suffer……
I’m fine with changes to this system, and they already made it easier with the bonus points. But it’s not particularly fun when the same skill is given out essentially for free compared to how it was previously, without acknowledging how hard others worked to get it.
Your “reward” was having it for 3 months before others. That means you had it for 2 tempest trials, many GHB, BHB and others challenges,, not to mention many seasons of arena. That is not worthless.
Look, the only thing I mind is how easy it is to get it (I already got it after like 7 runs). What was the point of having it as a really cool and exclusive reward for putting down a lot of effort in the first trial, if it’s going to be given away for much less at a later date? It takes away parts of what made it nice to have if you see everyone having it. Now, if they had put it as the 50k reward in this trial instead of 6k I wouldn’t have been complaining.
In a sense, yes. Not to the point where I don’t want anyone to ever have the skill apart from the ones who got it first, but more along the lines of what I already wrote. It’s just too easy to get it.
It isn’t even possible to get the 5 star “Marth” in just 7 runs; the two score bonuses only grant around 4200 points in a perfect run with the 40% bonus, there’s still roughly 10800 points to obtain following the two bonuses. If you can repeatedly achieve AAA on the highest difficulty, it’d still take a little more than a dozen runs to get “Marth”. If you’re going to pout, you should at the very least make sure your claims aren’t completely absurd.
The first TT was infamous for being too grindy, “Marth” was a disappointing prize as (s)he was just neutral Lucina with no skills, and the playerbase for Heroes has vastly grown in the time since; it makes perfect sense for the rewards to be rereleased in a manner that’s easier to obtain. If 5 star “Marth” was kept at the 30K checkpoint like with the previous 5 stars, you bet there’ll be whining.
Aww. Poor Pebbicle. Now everyone will have the awesome thing that we worked for three months ago. Apparently, you are not familiar with gacha games, since these repeat events that follow are literally designed to catch people up that missed it. This helps eliminate some of the power creep by purposefully leveling the playing field.
As others have already mentioned, your reward for hard work and being a Day 1 player is that you’ve had QP for three months, which made the other two Tempest Trials significantly easier. You also have had it for your Reinhardt to nuke people in Arena, netting you 900 feathers every week for months. You had it on GHBs to make the Infernal difficulty easier, and you had it on the BHBs to get additional orbs for more chances at good heroes.
But not only do people have that seal, we now also have your salty tears for our popcorn. Thanks for that.
It’s almost as if you people are incapable of reading.
No, I don’t play gacha games, because it’s a shite genre. I don’t even have a Rein and I build teams that don’t revolve around that particular seal. I get what you’re trying to say, but it’s irrelevant in regards to my point.
I’m more than capable of reading. This is also my first gacha game, but I’m aware that this is common practice. It doesn’t matter that you don’t build teams around that seal or use Reinhardt. What is absolutely true is that you’re crying about the fact that a super exclusive reward is now all but free to everyone. You feel that it negates your hard work. You also fail to acknowledge the fact that your true reward was that you had it for 3 months whether or not you used it.
Suck it up buttercup, but this is how the game works. The game will continue to hand out some freebies to keep the playing field level in order to negate the effect of power creep. If this bothers you, then perhaps this isn’t the game for you.
Honestly though, what’s wrong with that? Don’t you find it a bad practice? It’s not power creeping if everyone has the ability to get the seal. Again, the points required to get it should be higher than 6k, which is what I’ve been trying to convey all along. I don’t mind people getting it. I do mind how easy it is to get it. I’m fine with others having it. The score total for getting it is far too low.
Do you want me to repeat or rephrase it for you further?
So to sum up your argument, it’s not power creep if everyone can get it, but you want it to be hard to get, so not everyone can get it. Or at a minimum, you want people to have to work harder for it, which would mean that some people are still unable to get it. Ultimately, you want to make sure that some people can’t get it to make your hard work in Tempest Trials 1 feel more important.
I see nothing wrong with the game handing out some of the better things to help out new players. The game is boring if you have so much power that you can just roll over every team in Arena. The people that weren’t able to get 50,000 points in the first Tempest aren’t really going to be the ones competing with me now, but it will help level the playing field so they can catch up a bit.
Incidentally, the only people getting it in 7 runs are the people that got it the first time. How do I know? I’m playing my reroll account just to get the seal, and despite having some decent units, they can’t handle the hardest difficulty. So for people that don’t already have a really good team to get the top points for their first two runs, 6000 points is still at least some effort.
And while we’re at it, it’s not even “hard work” to get any of the rewards in Tempest Trials. It’s really just time and stamina. You can grind the lower levels with enough stamina potions, and the game gives you at least one stamina potion for finishing a round. Most anyone can do that if they play the easier settings. So the thing that you’re calling “work” is that you sat with your phone in your hand for several hours to get a thing in a game that by your own admission, you don’t even really use. Despite this, you don’t want everyone else to be able to use it, and definitely not easily.
The game itself is pretty dang bad, yet I play it continously because I’ve been with this series for 16 years. I don’t even know why I’m arguing about it, but here I am. It’s true that this game is not really difficult in any department, since if you have enough cash to spend you can effectively blaze through everything. But I still don’t see the point of luring people to play a lot for a reward that later on will be (comparably) easy to get.
Obviously you don’t care for the same things I do, and that’s cool. Just don’t come here and tell me that I’m wrong for thinking the way I do.
From now on I’m just going to keep in mind that this game doesn’t like playing fair when there is some really nice reward that will likely end up much easier to obtain in the near future.
To be honest, that first Tempest was pretty terrible. Veronica was by far the hardest boss, and she was guarded by the hardest arrangement of potential enemies. It also lacked the triple score boost or the stat boosts on bonus units. The only reason I played enough to GET the seal in the first place is I needed something mindless to take my mind off of medical board prep, which was the other mindless task I was doing.
I can understand that you don’t think it’s fair that the really hard and tedious thing we did back then is now easy to do, but your argument essentially boils down to “It was hard for me, so it must be hard for you too.” Even if we adjusted it to 30,000 points to account for the shorter duration, the seal would still be significantly easier due to changes in the system.
Ultimately, the low price point of the seal is to make the game more fair. It allows people that were not able to effectively counter Veronica back then to have a shot. Even some really good players weren’t able to handle that Tempest. Heck, the only reason I was able to is my efforts to get Ike and then Ryoma yielded me a Young Tiki instead of the prize I wanted. Turns out, she was EXTREMELY useful.
It’s not so much that you’re wrong, but your attitude about it is what is getting you so much flak. You say that you’re all for not having power creep, but then you say that you want the thing that negates the power creep to be difficult to get. Ultimately, you want some mark of recognition for doing Tempest Trials 1 a minimum of 86 times. Your mark of recognition is the fact that you had Quickened Pulse for the last three months, which made it easier to get Xander and Camus especially.
If you want your mark of exclusivity, make Masked Marth +3. The only way to do that is to have been there at the first Tempest. Then you can lord her over other people and feel special. Otherwise, you essentially come across as an elitist, and that’s why you’re getting called out for it. This event is meant to balance the game because IS realized that making it so hard to get the first time was a mistake, and it only made the people that could get it that much better than everyone else. This event is an equalizer, and by definition that makes the game as a whole fair. If it does this at the expense of making those of us that spent HOURS getting Quickened Pulse the first time feel less special, then I would say that you need to reevaluate your life if owning a digital thing is what brings value to your life.
If you are bothered by the fact that the other three tempests have had mediocre rewards, then I can’t really offer you anything on that front. Tobin is still sort of useful in Arena Assault, but I’ll agree that Clive is little more than a potential supplier of horse buffs or a cheap way to pass someone Silver Lance+. You can at least take solace in the fact that the next Tempest Trial Mini will be giving people a cheap chance to score Tobin.
Did you delete your last comment? I was going to reply to it now since I didn’t have access to a PC earlier, but I can’t find it. Doesn’t matter much though, saved me a 20min write up haha.
That’s strange indeed. All I saw was that it was a relatively long post that I didn’t have time to respond to at the time. Don’t think you wrote anything worthy of deletion when I skimmed it through.
The case of Male Corrin was quite obvious, but as all the “quite obious” things, is good to have an official confirmation.
History Mode is nearly without doubt the Adventure Mode of Hyrule Warriors. Marth in the Thabes map is the player sprite, as the 8bit sprites of the characters appear in the map sections of the Adventure Mode. What I’m curious, however, is this “Anna’s Memory”. I presume (or maybe I only want to believe XD) it could be the expression to describe the unlock of characters in the History Mode (don’t lie to ourselves, Male Corrin and Female Robin have all the numbers of being unlockable in this mode), so… It could be a hint of Anna being a playable character. Other possibility could be that, like Shadows of Valentia, it unlocks some cinematics (maybe showing HD versions of Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates?).
The “illusion” of Rowan wielding lances is hillarious. It shows how we never have to believe all what we see for the first time XD.
Appraisal is identicas (following the description given in this article) to the weapon mechanic of Hyrule Warriors, with weapons with diferents abilities and the capability of unlock some of them, transfer them (forging) and different ranks for each individual weapon. However, we have the change (improvement?) of the weapons’ stats and ranks.
Skills in this game still are a mystery for me. I also believe we have a maximum of 6 skills for each character, but a base of 3 (forcing us to unlock the rest of the slots). As for activation, I hardly doubt that are as other FE games, activating a microcinematic each time they activate (this will completely break the dynamic gameplay the developers are searching). Instead, I think (though I’m not pretty sure) that all of the skills are passive ones.
Finally, it’s pretty obvious that the Badge/Emblem system is a replica of the one in HW.
This Famitsu article only strengthens my belief of villains as Validar (and potentially Gharnef seing the History Mode screenshot) being playable (at least with a future free-DLC as Cia, Volga and Wizzro cases in HW, but I strongly believe they’ll be playable from the very beginning). Fire Emblem Warriors is, in few words (and exagerating a little bit :P), an upgraded and FE-thematized version of Hyrule Warriors, so the surprise will be Validar and other possible villains finally not being playable, even if they have generic movesets.
I expect Anna to be the Great Fairy equivalent of this game, probably unlocked deep into History mode. Also am totally ok with FE Warriors being an upgraded version of Hyrule Warriors with Fire Emblem characters. I played the hell out of that game. Would not be surprised if they kept it similar due to the player-base likely being fairly overlapping.
About Anna, is likely to have her playable and unlockable in History Mode, as you say (I would say examples as Ruto or Zant, because the Great Fairy is a weapon, but… I understand XD).
And about FEW possibly being a Hyrule Warriors upgraded version… I didn’t said this as a bad thing. In fact, as you, I like the idea. Also, I think the same as you about the player-base (probably a way to attract Hyrule Warriors fans who don’t know about Fire Emblem).
1. Skill activations could simply be expressed as a random chance of an individual attack applying the skill’s effects, along with a correspondingly-colored light flash
e.g. Luna would be a purple [whatever it’s called when metal hits metal and sparks fly] and would ignore the enemy’s defense and/or pierce a guard.
Astra would probably massively boost the speed of your attacks for 5 hits while slightly weakening your damage, with green flashes
etc.
2. I just thought of a way that they could at least acknowledge some of the other games, even if they don’t plan on having characters from those games.
They could add monsters from Gaiden/Sacred Stones/Echoes as enemy-only units.
It’d give the enemies a bit more variety than just human enemies alone.
In regards to characters from other games, while I’m also disappointed with their absence, it’s likely they will be added as DLC. The success of Lyndis, Ike, and Roy in FE Hero’s Choose Your Legends survey means those three are likely to appear. Or I could just be wrong, but I really think it’s likely that there will be more characters added as DLC.
I wonder how class changes will be handled for characters like Ryoma or Frederick, who are technically already in their promoted forms? I could see Chrom promoting to his Great Lord form, Takumi into a Sniper, etc. but will prepromotes simply have a non-aesthetic class-change or perhaps (heaven forbid) an original new costume? For that matter, Lissa, Sakura and Elise counts too, since they blend their base and promoted classes. Marth also, I guess, since IIRC he never had a promoted form.
Is anyone else bothered that it’s only probably going to be main characters? I’m so tired of Lucina and etc. There are other cool characters in the Fates/Awakening games..
Yeah but I can’t see how they could cry any more than they already are. So in that aspect, it seems worth it. It’s not like adding or not adding anymore is going to make them want the game any more/less.
If this is all that Awakening is going to have, I feel disappointed as an Awakening fan. So they’re just displeasing two types of fans this way.
Thanks for the opinon! I’d love to see Severa and Soleil! I’d also love to see Nowi, Henry, Lonqu, Keaton, or Velouria. But I don’t think any of those characters have a chance. I thought Nowi and Henry did, but now I’ve lost hope.
The roster sucks not because its just awakening or fates. It’s because they’re only using the important story characters. Cordelia is on that gray line, but she’s essentially just Sumia’s replacement.
You got Chrom’s little brigade, the marketing crossdresser herself, the Fates family …. and Marth.
That’s some serious lack of variety no matter how much you look at it. Every fire emblem game has such a big roster that people all over have different favorites or characters that they enjoy. Literary using the most ”essential” characters from 3 games is definitely much much worse than just-
”Here’s all the main characters from the series…” Which would have worked.
In the end, I don’t get Gregor or Arthur, people don’t get Tharja, and you don’t get what you want either.
Will the game still be a success? Who knows. Chrom and Tharja sure didn’t increase sales in Mirage Sessions and that game was also a train wreck. Chrom and Lucina didn’t help project X zone 2 as well.
Thats what this game feels. Its just one giant advertisement for Awakening and Fates. re-telling the same story with some hack and slash. So you BUY the real thing if you didn’t already.
I’m inclined to believe this game is more advertisement for some HD Fates collection for the switch or something like that.
Remember when Corrin was put in Smash? oh yeah, Nintendo is all about advertisement right now.
The games mechanics are more what I care about and are paying off nicely, its a safer want. Would I have picked a different roster? Yeah, but I think the game is fine as is, as a Warriors fan. Roster saltiness is making people just too uppity in my opinion.
Also PXZ2 wasn’t meant to sell tons of copies, it was just a Sega, Capcom & Namco celebration that just happened to have some Ninty characters, and TMS was just unfortunately timed and advertised but was overall an alright game.
If youre buying it for the mechanics. by all means, go for it. have fun. I just won’t myself (and many others) if My only picks are, Chrom, Ryoma, Xander and possibly Lissa. (3 swords dang…)
I don’t want to use Camilla as my ONLY wyvern rider of choice or Takumi as my archer. I jus don’t like them.
And thats fair, but theres still more to be shown. I wouldn’t judge it entirely until its all out in the open, which will probably happen at the upcoming TGS.
I’m not a big awakening or fates fan. But there are some characters I DID enjoy and help me go back to those games. for Awakening its Vaike, Gregor, Basilio and to a degree Sayri. If the popular schmucks didn’t make it in…what chances do they have?
For Fates im on the same boat, I dont care about Niles and Oboro. I care about Arthur and Saizo. Not gonna get them cause no NInjas and apparently Koei was so crappy with the axe selction that they opted for LISSA to be the main axe infantry.
At this point, my only salvation is ANYHTING from shadow dragon thats nota waifu. I’ll forgive Minerva, but ill tear my hairs if I see the white wings. Cain, Draug, Navarre from the Mirage Sessions exposure sound good. Yet… I want Ogma. but with ”sword cancer”… what are his chances really? He could promote to Hero and have swords AND axes. but I can guarantee you… Koei probably won’t that far ahead. Mind you if Ogma makes it in and can go Hero… I will get this game. yeah. Shadow Dragon has class. Marth’s army is pretty cool.
If you’d like to get translations as soon as they’re available, your best bet is to join the Cipher Discord (https://discord.gg/VZU9pqe ). In the meantime:
Eirika
>Attack Support – If the supported unit’s attack destroys the MC, draw a card
>Attack / Defense Support – If the supported unit is ‘Ephraim’, that unit gains +20 attack(edited)
Ephraim
>Attack support – If the supported unit’s affinity is Purple, double break Orbs
>Attack / defense support – If the supported unit is ‘Eirika’, that unit gains +20 attack
Honestly since a lot of Fire Emblem can be narrowed down to classes/weapons as opposed to characters, it makes sense that some of these characters would have generic movesets for weapons with slight variation. They’ll probably not feature in the main story, but it would be surprising to me to not get some clone-style characters unlocked through side modes, such as Tharja with Validar’s moveset and slight differences. They already confirmed that Lucina has Chrom’s moveset with variation and that she was the basis for saying that all characters will have unique idle animations. Who else would that be for? Not just Cordelia and Hinoka. Not just mCorrin or fRobin either (though I don’t know if they’ll have unique animations since they’re technically the same character).
The more I think about it, the more I think the 25 character cards are just for the story characters, but that the game will feature more than that.
Yeah this seems really fishy. Would be way more logical to add Lyn and Ike (most popular characters) and Celica and Alm. Only adding one of both pairs feels really out of place. Maybe we’ll see tomorrow in the Nintendo Direct.
One thing Nintendo could show us in the Nintendo Direct is the 3DS Version of the game… We are near the japanese release of the Game and we do not have any news about the 3DS version.
True they have been dead silent in regards to that version. I imagine it’ll be fine though as the HW 3ds version was great, if they put in the work of course.
As much as I would love Celica and Lyn, I’m not sure I believe it since we have literally every single Fates royal, with duplicate weaponry with the inclusion of the two youngest sisters, but not Azura. That seems pretty odd.
Can I point out that Female Robin and Male Corrin are on the box despite supposedly not being part of the main story last I heard? Why would they be on there if they weren’t available through the main story, rather than showcasing two other characters actually featuring in the storyline?
Assuming the box is legit, it is merely showcasing the playable characters. All versions of Robin and Corrin are treated as individual characters from a promotional standpoint.
I don’t believe this. The Celica sprite isn’t official, and apparently the Lyn is from Deviantart. Also, call it pure coincidence but the Celica sprite kind of looks similar to Marth’s Shadow Dragon sprite.
It was said that this game is suppose to have the biggest roster out of all the warriors game, which I thought was around 30 before, but maybe they meant crossover wise?
IIRC they said licensed Warriors games. biggest of all of them is a tall order; Dynasty Warriors 8 had 83 playable characters, and I’m not even sure if that’s the highest number.
Tiki – she’s receiving an amiibo and her return to Awakening makes her a Breakout character
Caeda – she’s Marth’s wife and plays a huge role in recruiting many of the characters in SD/MOTE
Anna – the franchise’ mascot, wouldn’t be FE without her.
Lyn – the first Lord that North America was introduced to. As such, she became more popular than both Eliwood and Hector.
Celica – FE Echoes is relevant atm, I guess they chose her over Alm because he would just be another Falchion wielder.
An issue with this being real is.. how will they add to the story about Celica and Lyn joining alone? Not that the story will make too much sense anyways, but them soloing it to this world will be strange to try squeezing in.
Interesting that it’s Sharena who needs to deliver the killing blow this time.
I might be wrong, but I think that’s the first time the necessary character is at a color disadvantage?
Either for merging or skill inheritance. Female Robin is notable for being the only character with Blue Tomebreaker, so you’ll need her if you ever plan on giving that skill to anyone.
That’s strange, Legion, Valter, and Narcian have pre-battle quotes, but Female Robin doesn’t? Anyway, it wasn’t easy, but I beat Infernal mode with my 5-Star Brave Lyn, my 5-Star Nino, my 4-Star Olivia, and my 4-Star Wrys (and he is useful for once).
Knowing how Koei does their character rooster Lyn and Celica aren’t impossible. We can hope for 4 rows ORIGINAL; FATES; AWAKENING; OTHERS (mashup of characters from other titles). Perhaps this is what they meant by “focusing on F, AWA, and SD” ? One can only hope.
Why Axe Ike? He’s just a special version they made for Heroes, like Mounted Archer Lyn, because they won the poll. If Ike’s in the game he’s gonna have Ragnell. If they would do alternate weapons, like in Hyrule Warriors, then I could totally see Ike with Urvan though.
Whelp eating my words guess the leak must be real, although I still doubt that that’s all the characters we will get. Lynn without Ike or Celica without Alm is still too weird.
Strange that nobody mentions possessed Takumi. ^^
I am so happy about the fact that Lyn is in the game – Who would have guessed that the leaks would turn out to be true?
Yeah noticed that. What is his deal with being possesed again? (without spoiling too much for ppl who haven’t played the game ofc :p)
Fates is a complete blur to me.
If you look at the trailor it shows dragon stones as a weapon choice, I’m sure she can use a sword too, as in Zelda some chars could use up too 3/6 weapon types.
I hate being this guy, given the amount of Fates representation and my general preference for the earlier games, but I really wanted Azura, and it doesn’t look like her odds of making the initial roster are fantastic at this point
Welp, and apparently Lyn’s sprite matches the one on the supposedly leaked boxart. Alright, guess it’s true. I’ll admit when I’m wrong. And with that, I didn’t expect to see Lyn make it into the base game, so hey, the game finally surprised me with a character announcement, good on it, I’ll give it that point.
Navarre is kind of an odd choice, here they say they don’t want too many sword characters, but then decide to add a relatively insignificant Shadow Dragon character…that fights with swords.
Especially perplexing when you think about the other sword characters that are arguably more popular and demanded such as the CYL winners, Ike and Roy, not being in the game.
Still…fingers crossed they’ll eventually add Laguz: Ranulf, Tibarn and Naesala are my favorites…Lethe would be a good pick though.
Navarre might not be playable. They did confirm that there are NPC characters that appear in the story. I wouldn’t be surprised though if they have more playable characters in the game though that just don’t have a part in the story/supports and therefore aren’t featured as “main” characters.
I think the whole swords thing was more in regards to Lord characters… Like Seliph, Sigurd, etc.
-and if you think about it… Technically speaking the majority of the cast aren’t explicitly Lords class-wise. Even though the Fates siblings could technically count as lords due to their roles.
This is the weirdest PR I think I’ve ever encountered with a game. “Screw you guys! But here’s one for you because we don’t have any idea what we’re doing!” I’m not mad or happy, just incredibly confused.
As I said, I’m not mad or anything, I just wonder why they seem to be going back on what they said by adding a sword lord when they already complained about too many swords. I accepted the 3 game thing a while ago, but I’m more confused about this reveal more than anything. I’ll still probably buy it and have fun since it’s a warriors game, but the people in charge of this game’s PR are doing some weird stuff at this point.
Perhaps I can offer some kind of explanation? Not that I’ll be much help but here goes. ‘
Somebody who worked for the public relations division of this game must have realized the outcry and severe criticisms of the game. Anticipating that the game wouldn’t sell well because of the often-perceived predictable reveals, the person thought and perhaps convinced the developers that adding a character from the older titles will be a boon.
While I applaud them for finally adding an old fan favorite from the first international Fire Emblem title, and as someone who loves Lyn, I begrudgingly have to admit that her reveal THIS LATE and about two weeks before the Japanese release of the game does more harm than good. Here’s why.
Lyn’s arrival alone breaks two promises. Those being that only characters from Shadow Dragon/Awakening/Fates and that having too many swords is something that fans would not have to worry about, according to them. Lyn is NOT from either of those games and she’s a sword user, too. Now that we know that any other character from other games is fair game, this’ll lead to an astronomical increase of demands of other popular pre-Awakening characters such as Ike, Hector, Eliwood, Roy, etc. If the intention was to get the critics of the roster to shut up, Lyn alone will not do it and definitely not since she’s yet another sword user. Quite frankly, I don’t understand why they couldn’t make her a sword/bow user like how her Blade Lord self was. Perhaps she’ll get a class change and get the bow this way, but…
There are many people convinced that the roster will just be 25 characters because of the character cards in the limited edition. With Lyn’s arrival plus the leaks and the Tiki amiibo, this brings the character total up to 22. If the roster capacity is indeed 25, I can imagine that a lot of people are feeling jaded about their favorite character arriving by now. Furthermore, Shadow Dragon was among the games they themselves said the majority of characters were from. Outside of Marth, there has been virtually no official reveals (Not including leaks). I was among those who was expecting a Shadow Dragon reveal and to see Lyn on the screen instead of a Shadow Dragon character was just both surprising (Probably the first real surprise to most people) and appalling. It’s baffling to see Shadow Dragon getting shafted this hard after it’s been virtually the Fates-show for the past few weeks.
I hope I gave a good enough explanation for you but I’ll admit that the bulk of this is only speculation. So take it for what you will.
It will depend on the stat of Elincia: Amiti per se may be broken, but it will be non-inheritable (it is a named weapon) and if Elincia’s stats were bad than overall she woud not be broken at all.
I doubt Amiti will be broken. Or at least, that it will make Elincia broken. After all, she’s still a flier with a limited attack range, and almost certain to have low attack to balance (and because of the character). It’s the potential for flier buffs that concerns me a bit, but hey, she can’t be more ridiculous than Reinhardt. I can see how it looks that way though, given that it’s basically a brave weapon with more might and a smaller penalty. Wrath actually worries me more.
While low is relative so it certainly could be low enough to not be broken (and yeah over hyping happens) low atk to balance kinda implies they are also overhyping the effect, (though that could certainly happen) as for Elincia I don’t really see it, (but again low is relative, my average, above average or even great could easily be considered low) sure she had low str in PoR but 80% mag growth is pretty dang high up there (it’s atk not str so that could be worked into her atk here) and her Str isn’t low in RD.
I’m honestly kinda joking, it’s broken in a vacuum (being literally just a much better Brave Sword+), but the reality of the situation of course isn’t a vacuum. Going off Elincia’s Strength base and growth in Path of Radiance, it would be unlikely that her Attack is very high. Though either way, there is no doubt in my mind that she’s going to be very good and obviously the best Sword Flier, not even a contest, and there still is definitely potential for the Amiti – and as a result Elincia – to turn out broken, depending on what her stats are like.
Oh yeah, I agree she’s going to be really good, and my guess is that she’s going to be built for quad striking (she comes with death blow, oddly, and I can see a buffed desperation build already). My point is that I don’t think she’ll be meta-defining like Reinhardt and his ridiculous range, which is kind of what I think of when I think of broken. I realize you were mostly joking though
Haha! I knew Elincia was coming! I would have preferred more adult-looking art, but I am excited to have a shot at her, definitely one of the best characters in the series.
I also expect Oscar to become 4* after his banner passes, so there’s a chance we’ll have easier access to Lancebreaker, if they make it learnable at 4* as well.
Seeing Nephenee here kind of throws a wrench in the Tempest Trial predictions. Still expect the Black Knight to be a Hero Battle, but I wonder who our free unit will be?
Yes, they also said that the Black Knight would be the Hero reward for the upcoming TT and that we’ll be seeing an Arvis GHB and Jugdral banner in October.
That would be fun, though I’m interested to see how Heroes will deal with the glut of red mage villains the series has (given that dark tomes have been red so far)
Thank Ashura that the Wrath skill is a B slot…just imagine how broken it would be if it could be paired with desperation…Wait, doesn’t the Sol Katti give Lyn desperation 2? Ideas…
Oh nice, they’re bringing more Path of Radiance characters, Nephenee, Oscar, and Elincia, but the Black Knight becomes an unplayable boss of Chapter 13, along with Prince Bruno. Speaking of which, could this be the final battle against Bruno? Are we finally gonna find out if Bruno is really Zacharias? We can only hope.
I’m definitely going to try and get Nephenee and probably Elincia based on her stats. Hate the fact that Oscar is in the banner too since I’ll probably get trolled and get him while trying to earn Nephenee. >_<
Elincia’s VA is different, the one in Heroes (Amanda Miller) shares the same voice role with Sully and Cherche from Awakening and returns in this game, her previous VA in Path of Radiance was Erica Evans.
So my karma finally kicked in a little got Nephenee and Elincia in my first summoning round. Took me another 120ish orbs to get Oscar (another Nephenee would have been fine though) but hey I got him. So unless I really hate Nephenee’s boon/bane and feel like I need to go for another, I didn’t have to spend a dime. Also holy crap the Black Knight’s Black Luna special, that 80% reduction, I would be relatively shocked if they made that available to everyone through SI. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if localization changed the name from Black Luna I wonder why they didn’t just call it Eclipse. Also its probably going to have to get regular Luna before it like you have to get Sol before Aether.
I suppose it has something to do with how Eclipse in Japanese was still just called Luna. It had the exact same name as the standard version, it was just more powerful. So I guess for the localization in Heroes, they went with that, but they added ‘Black’ to differentiate it from the regular counterpart, kinda like the ‘Dark Excalibur’ and ‘Dark Aura’ that Sonya and Delthea have. That’d be my guess. Still a missed opportunity, though…
Now I am 99% sure: Black Knight will be the reward for the Tempest Trial. We already have Black Knight stats, and there are only his base stats, without boon or bane. This could mean he as a GHB, but we only have his 4 and 5 stats stats, and normally GHB units have theirs 3 stats stats too. So… yes, he will probably be the reward of this new Tempest Trial, and as a reward unit… he is pretty good! Good HP, Atk, Spd and Def, and only low on his Res. Alondite with counterattack, and Black Luna as a exclusive special. With his Def + Steady Stance, Bonfire and Ignis could be also pretty good choises for his Special, although Black Luna have cooldown of 3 and this is great, but it costs the same as Aether (500 SP).
I believe a datamine has confirmed it, though I’m not surprised people were skeptical. He’s an odd prize. Also, he is really good, especially for a free unit, although it’s kind of a travesty they didn’t name his skill “eclipse”.
While I like Oscar a lot (he’s a mainstay in my PoR playthroughs, and I’ve taken to the endgame in RD a few times), it seems a bit odd he’s paired with these two, especially with neither Boyd nor Kieran. That said, I got Neph in my first set of summoning, which is nice. Would like to get the other two, but I have to build up my orbs a bit more before doing so.
I usually use Oscar a lot too especially in PoR. RD messed with the paladins to much I liked PoR flexibility. As for why he was included I’ve been kinda wondering that as well especially since its only a 3 person banner. They probably could have easily thrown in another Crimean like Kieran, Shinon, or Rhys if they didn’t want to do another sword or lance user.
Edit: I say easily but I know more goes into putting in a character into the game than just saying “lets put in this guy”
I wish they would have included Brom instead of Oscar. It would make more sense since they are crimean citizens. (So is Oscar, but it would have been cooler to see him in a brothers banner with Boyd and Rolf.) Maybe they did 2 lance units to help in the tempest trial against the Black Knight? Who knows at this point.
Well, there you have it, Prince Bruno is, in fact, Zacharias. Mystery solved.
And yet, I couldn’t get Elincia, Oscar, or Nephenee. And to add insult to injury, I ended up getting a 3-Star Male Robin as my free summon! Not to mention getting a 4-Star Reindhart, twice in a row, which I already have a 5-Star Reindhart! This game just doesn’t know when to stop trolling me with weaker Heroes!
I just looked it up I was sure they took the lesser rarities out. I figured that makes sense because getting the 4 star version is just trolly. My mistake I’ve summoned hundreds of time and never summoned a not 5 star of the featured units. My bad
The Camilla statue releases this month in Japan. Unfortunately, pre-orders have been sold out for a while now. Your best bet is to wait until places finish shipping their pre-orders and then see if they list any remaining stock on their site. Places to check would be AmiAmi, CDJapan, and similar. You can always eBay it after release, too, though those will probably be marked up.
Nice to see that the Black Knight is a Hero Reward, but who will be the Final Map Boss in this new Tempest Trial?
Now back to the matter at hand… GOD-F***ING-DAMMIT!! Not only did I get a weak 3-Star Hero from my free summon, but I spent 16 Orbs to get more weak 3-Star Heroes! I HATE IT WHEN THIS GAME KEEPS TROLLING ME WITH THOSE WEAKLINGS! I may have gotten Brave Ike, but I WANT ORIGINAL IKE!! THIS GAME IS BULLCRAPPING ME!!
“moment of fate” was the name of the chapter in which you fought the black knight. so the boss is black knight.
the same way as “to die on the battlefield” being hector’s ultimate fate due to wielding armads is what made him the boss of the mini-tempest trial
I got a 3* Raigh and 3* Stahl for my free pulls in both the Crimean and Tempest banners…neither of which are even good skill fodder, on top of which I’ve made 15 summons so far and only got 2 4*s (no 5*s), a +ATK -DEF Seliph, and another f***ing stahl. And speaking of Sorens, during the CYL banner, he was a major cock block for me wanting to get Ike, 5 4* Sorens…my luck is god awful.
Holy shit, maybe I should be happy with what I get. Then again, I’m the person who managed to get my percentage up to 5.25 before I got Eine.. And I’ve blown 160 orbs in the Crimean banner only to get 5* +def/-spd Ogma and +spd/-hp Rebecca.
Man, I really want a sword flier that’s not my 5* -spd+hp Palla. 28 speed is pathetic. Granted I’ve merged her three times already so she’s pretty tanky, but still.
got a 4 star Titania for my free summon almost thought I got a free 5 star -sigh- didn’t go any deeper though already have everyone from the banner and I blew all my orbs getting a second Nephenee because my first was a +res/-atk. On that note I didn’t expect it but apparently the brave heroes can still be pulled got a Brave Lucina while trying to get Nephenee. I thought they were going to be like the other special costumes and not be available after their banner.
On another note, I’m kind of disappointed with IS for their bonus unit choices in the 40% range. For the first time since the trials began, every single 40% is 5 star locked (until later this month, when Oscar will likely slip down). This will make it a lot harder for new players to score as well. It essentially requires players to pull from this banner or Dauntless Crimeans just to increase their score. I understand that it may be a good adverting move for the banner, and Ike was in Hero Fest, but I know this will hurt more people than it will help overall.
Personally, I feel IS has been more than generous these pervious months. They gave us orbs everyday and a free 5 star hero, so a 5* locked 40% isn’t that big of a deal to me. (Maybe because I got Elincia on my 2nd red orb praise naga)
That’s fair. As long as people stay smart with their orbs I suppose they always have a shot at having the bonus units. And at least BK is free, they just have to play for a little while.
I mean, you can’t discriminate when there’s no way you need 700+ pieces of artwork. There is something to be said about quality standards, however. I flipped through the entire Genealogy art collection and came across maybe 3 I liked, and none of them felt like a fire emblem style. Here’s the thing about quality standards: they don’t tell someone “You’re not skilled enough” when done right. They say “This work isn’t good enough. Here’s how you can fix that. Try again.” Through this process, the artists become better because they have to. Not because they can just throw up whatever the heck they want. I’m speaking from experience here. I’m one of the submission editors for the sheet music over at ninsheet music, and by telling someone exactly how they can improve, I’ve seen it happen time and time again.
Wow. That was quite a ramble. In short, I’d really like them to put at least some quality standard in there, so we don’t end up with the quality that is there now.
edit: lol the guidelines basically say criticizing someone’s work will get you banned. That ain’t how real life works
To clarify, the guidelines don’t mean that art can’t be criticised. On the Discord, we have had plenty of artists come and ask for critique and the members have been extremely helpful! What we’re trying to avoid is people specifically targetting and bullying artists (i.e. not being constructive at all, and just being hateful/hurtful). Constructive criticism is extremely valuable and I totally agree! If you think of a better way to word that I’m always open to, well, criticism!
I rather enjoy the range of artwork and styles we have, and I think considering how open we are to anybody taking part, the quality standard is pretty high! I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy much of the work, but I hope you understand the spirit of the project, and we’ve had so many artists who’ve come to us expressing how much they’ve enjoyed it and how much they got out of it, people trying new mediums, and overall it’s been an incredibly positive project.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I get what you’re doing and appreciate it for what it is. I’d just like to point out that I think you misused the term quality standard. A quality standard is a minimum quality needed for entry, and you don’t really have that. Instead, you’re referring to a level of quality. I will admit, it is quite high for a completely open project. I’m just not sure it qualifies as high to me.
edit: forgot that you had a discord. It’s great that you can use that for feedback and such. However, that disclaimer in the guidelines feels more like an anti-criticism barrier than a harassment protection. It’s probably just my way of reading into things a little too hard, though.
Thanks! I appreciate open discussion about it, so no worries!
Our standard for entry in the guidelines is essentially that people put effort into their submissions – that can mean different things for different artists. A lot of the time when people have submitted things we’ve gone back to them with some thoughts and have even had some re-submissions which has been great! (we do allow people to re-submit once they’ve worked on their piece, if they feel they want to).
It’s important to listen to feedback, so I’ve amended the guideline regarding rudeness/harassment to hopefully make it a little clearer around that point. 🙂 Thank you again!
Hey, they don’t have Al, Tiena, Gant, and anyone else from the manga who isn’t in the base game…I think it’s just Kilmar, now that I think about it, actually. Anyways, does anyone know if they’re going to add them?
Ok, my luck is just all over the place. 13 of my last 15 summons were 3* heroes who aren’t even good skill fodder, then I get a Brave Lucina as my free summon on the Hawkeye & Ninian Banner……..wat!
I don’t really understand why it’s Ninian and Hawkeye, rather than Ninian and Eliwood. I don’t think Ninian and Hawkeye knew each other, or that Ninian had ever been to Arcadia.
I mean in a way it makes sense to me. Ninian and Hawkeye are able to Support each other, and their support convos talk about how Hawkeye is a guardian of Nabata village where dragons and humans live together in peace. So not a romantic bond, but very much a sort of kinship bond.
With this method, the healers are gonna be a shield for the archer, so both healer are gonna be attacked a lot. With Physic, they can heal each other. Of course, Renewal can be used too.
Well, there are some dead spaces in the top row of that group photo posted above. Easily room for five more characters there…and maybe one down front between Marth and Xander.
I wouldn’t put much stock into where characters could fit on promotional material though since they probably wouldn’t promote characters they want to be secret. Celica was also revealed and not on that picture. Is it official?
Seems I was overly optimistic about the room for additional characters in the promo image, but see that they did manage to squeeze in Celica, Caeda and Tiki in the latest version.
As far as characters I’d like from each game outside of Awakening, Fates, and Shadow Dragon. FE4/FE5: Eldigan, Levin, Julia, Nanna, Reindhart/Olwen, Galzus, Ishtar, Altenna. FE6: Fa, Lilina, Marcus/Percival, Sue, Zephiel. FE7: Jaffar, Nino, Hector (obvs), Ninian. FE8: Ephraim, Amelia, Tethys, Lyon. FE9/10: Ranulf, Tibarn, Micaiah, Jill/Haar, Nephenee. I know that no where close to this many will be DLC, and that even some would have a chance, but it’s wishful thinking.
I had to resurrect my heroes once on Lunatic Part 5. And yeah, these maps were one of the easiest I’ve ever seen for months. Now I can use them for SP farming, but it looks like upcoming Tempest Trials will be more important. Thankfully, “Warriors” will be available for over a month. 🙂
The music on these maps are amazing! This is why I got the special edition of Warriors (soundtrack CDs)!
I wonder if these maps are loosely based off some of the levels in the actual game. I saw a short clip of gameplay of what looks like the first map of the game, with Frederick apparently being the level boss. (Why, Frederick?! XD) Having another level with “Marth” as a boss looks reasonable, especially given some of the cutscenes in the trailers showing “him” and Chrom battling.
I’m totally guessing at this point, but perhaps afterwards the Aytolis forces and the Shepherds end up battling the Hoshidans until they come to an understanding, only to be dragged into their war against Nohr until Corrin shows up.
Then again I could be completely off, but it’s not unreasonable.
The most likely candidates would seem to be Gordin or Virion… And I’m sick of the 3DS games bias so I hope it will be the former. Although there are other archers I’d prefer to have over him as well.
Heh. Reminds me of a similar project that a group I used to be a moderator of on DeviantArt. A massive group pic of all the FE characters. It actually made some decent headway, but things predictably tapered off- given the sheer scale. I collaborated with a friend for a duo (I drew L’Arachel). https://aegis-of-justice.deviantart.com/art/Two-to-Tango-269938669
While I liked FatesWakening, they sorely need to branch further out into the previous games. Only three of the current roster are from prior games. They are kinda shunning their older fans here.
I mean, hell- I’ll even take Meg over another FatesWakening character.
Aw… Tiki is one of my favorite characters in the series, this fighting style for her is kinda disappointing 🙁
Still, at least she’s in it at all, they could have just left transforming characters out entirely!
She’s unarmoured and unarmed in her untransformed state save for her Dragonstone, so flailing around is pretty appropriate. She doesn’t even have any experience wielding weapons.
I thought the same until I saw her transformed state. Then I felt a little better about how goofy she is otherwise lol.
Still think it is an awkward moveset but as long as the transformed mode is kickass I will keep my complaints to a minimum.
Not really. Are there some “weird” choices, in my opinion yes, but again not really. Given how somewhat vague your comment is, I’ll breakdown every character in a very broad way.
Tiki is well known, even by newer players, and pretty plot relevant in her games.
Caeda is Marth’s wife and “og” pegasus knight.
Awakening and Fates characters are self explanatory (interpret that as you will).
Lyn is FE 7 players’ “Lucina equivalent”.
Celica is probably due to recency (despite the fact she originates from Gaiden, of course Echoes being a remake of said game) and diversity (despite the fact she mainly uses a sword, sadly).
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m honestly happy with the game, it’s just that the roster is pretty imbalanced. There’s 6 weapon types: sword, axe, lance, tome, bow and stone.
We were told with such a huge series that the easiest way to diversify the roster would be to take it directly from the latest three main games, yet we got:
11 sword users
3 lance users
3 axe users
4 tome users
2 bow users
1 stone user
All 3 lance users are the same class. We have characters using their promoted class weapons in their pre-promoted class when we could’ve just had characters that use those actual weapons (though I understand this is for plot relevance). Honestly I got a lot of my very favorite characters (Chrom, Lucina, Lyn, Cellica, Elise, fCorrin), so again I’m not really all that unhappy with the roster.
There are probably better ways to diversify the roster even given the relatively unexpected characters (Lyn and Cellica). We didn’t need to have every single Fates royal character, especially when the final two are given the same weapon/class as an older sibling. Cordelia is popular, but redundant given they already were going to include 2 other characters of the same class, and there’s plenty of very popular Awakening characters to choose from. How interesting would the support conversations have been with Young and Adult Tiki, for example? Lyn was added clearly because she was a fan favorite, but there’s also many super popular characters in the fanbase that could’ve served that purpose yet been more diverse to the roster since she uses a sword.
Idk, who knows, maybe there’s more secret characters that make it more balanced (probably).
I misunderstood your comment, my bad. I’m in the same boat, as are a lot of other people, where we’re all angered by the hypocrisy at the “too much swords” statement. Celica is a let down because, from what I read, she’s mostly a Marth clone, as opposed to being a magic unit, like she should be. And of course the fact most of the non-sword units are redundant in some way.
No worries! A crossover game pulling in characters from games so character-driven is going to be difficult to please all the fans. They could’ve done a lot better than what we have so far though. Here’s hoping there’s more to be seen besides the DLC.
God, that Black Knight is tough as hell, even for Brave Lyn! If only I had Ike and the other 40% Bonus Heroes, then I would’ve beaten Black Knight easily! IT’S NOT FAIR!
I got a +ATK Reindhart that I fortifiy Atk up with Olivia…he OTK the Black Knight for me while Soren (my only bonus hero at the moment) covers for his weak spots.
i haven’t tried Clive, since I have Oscar, but he might not fair badly. He’s pretty tanky. Give him Bonfire and see if that works. I have swordbreaker on mine, too, so he’s pretty good against swordies. Same for Camus – can’t imagine he wouldn’t do the trick.
Incidentally, give one of those a heavy lance, and that will be even better.
Alternatively, give any blue mage you have swordbreaker and that could work as well.
If you have Reinhardt, pair him up with a Xander with hone cavalry and a dancer and the whole tempest is yours to laugh at.
I train up the 4 star then promote him and merge with the 5 star that way I get a +1 unit that has a lot of SP for SI while still getting a free Alondite and Luna unlock
Wait, how does Young Link play in Hyrule Warriors? I didn’t get far enough to unlock him. I’m assuming he turns into Fierce Deity Link when “transformed”? How does that work, anyways?
In Hyrule Warriors, Y.Link could use his C1 to covert special meter into magic meter, with 3 full special stocks filling the whole thing. Activating Focus Spirit turns him into Fierce Deity Link, draining the magic meter. While FD you can still C1 to fill your magic meter, and Link’s attacks gain huge range, power, instant guard breaks, and additional properties. He was straight busted on the WiiU version, but less so on 3DS due to lower enemy count (harder to maintain endless Focus Spirit).
It wasn’t that bad for me, just re-generate the training tower until you find a good number of greens and use the other required characters like Sharena to cover weakness. I also have a +Def/-Spd Henry who’s 4* and Lv40 already, since I’ve slowly gone through and accumulate many low tier, obsolete, and specialized Heroes with optimal IVs and have gotten them to 4* Lv40 for this very reason as well as for GHBs.
Pretty late this time for Serenes Forest standards. 😛
Koei Tecmo has uploaded everything TGS related to their Youtube channel.
There was also a clear hint that Azura will be a part of the first DLC pack.
Makes me wonder why it isn’t mentioned here. ^^
If I had to guess a few possible characters for each pack:
Fates: Azura (very obvious), no clue on the others
Awakening: Tharja, Gaius(since Cordelia is in plus need a theif and more magic users) Nowi or Awakening Tiki (since I doubt SD Tiki is gonna be the only dragonstone user) and Cherche (need more wyvern units and she’s more well known)
Shadow Dragon: Merric or Linde (prefer Linde), Minerva (again well known plus more wyvern units), Camus(iconic and a lance mount we need one) and either Draug or Ogma.
I might be wrong about this, but I read a leak somewhere, unconfirmed at this point of course, that some of the DLC characters will be Azura, Tharja and Draug for the Fates, Awakening and SD packs, respectively. But assuming that’s true, we are probably getting more than one character per pack.
I’m thinking Kaze, Silas, Jakob or Felicia is plausible for the Fates pack. The only thing I’m less sure about is that IIRC I read somewhere that they aren’t planning any dagger characters for the game, and if that’s true Kaze, Jakob and Felicia are out.
For Awakening, I can see Gaius, like you mentioned, but again, the fact that he’s basically a dagger user makes me a bit doubtful. Aside from him, I can also see Nowi, or some combination of the Awakening trio (though if so, definitely not all three.)
For Shadow Dragon, I’d say Navarre (soft-confirmed by this point?), Merric, Minerva and Camus is most likely. But then again, if one of them is really Draug, I really don’t know. It would really suck if it turned out to be one or all of the Whitewings; nothing against them, it’s just that we already have way too many pegasus lance fliers in this game, IMO.
Oboro and Niles too (and Iago for the villains side). Don’t know if they’re DLC characters or simply hidden unlockable characters; if its the former, they’ll probably be in their respective DLC packs. Regardless, they are in the base game, at the very least as NPC.
Bravo Koei Tecmo, a large number of fans were giving you the benefit of the doubt with character rep in the hopes that the other games would get in through DLC…evidently that is not the case for the initial wave…bra-vo…
No idea but If the last one is coming as soon as spring 2018 it doesn’t seem impossible. Also if they add dlc that focusses on the older games later you can bet your butt it would still sell well. It maybe a bit of a stretch but the concept of this game has been something I’ve always wanted so I’m holding on to every bit of hope there is.
I’ll just repeat what in wrote in a Youtube comment:
This just seems so redundant. I mean, it’s not entirely true that I don’t get it; given the games these DLC characters are gonna be from, it seems there’d be a good likelyhood that whoever buys the game in the first place would be interested in buying the DLC. But there in also lies the problem. It’s not gonna sell a lot additional copies, relative to the potential I imagine it had to. Whoever wasn’t into this game for the character selection in the first place probably won’t care any more now than they did before, yet it could have drawn in potential buyers who are into the games that are not or barely represented in Warriors right now. After all, if you’re not into the cast, why not just play Hyrule Warriors some more, if you got that before this…?
Oh, and of course this also presents the classic ‘announce DLC before the game is even released’ problem. I mean, I get that DLC for a Warriors game is kind of the status-quo at this point, and I’m sure most people did expect it in the first place, but at least for me, it still always leaves me a bit skeptical.
I think the word that would best describe how I feel about the way this game is being handled in terms of its roster and everything surrounding it is… perplexing.
I’ve scene your comment on Youtube and meant to respond to it, but I feel like your making a bit of a logical fallacy with your thoughts here.
First addressing the easier of the two is announcing DLC before the games released. This isn’t really an issue for most people since it kinda makes sense. Once a game goes gold(the period when the game can’t be worked on any more due to physical copies needing to be made) the dev team largely is life twitting their thumbs until their assigned a new project, which in most cases is DLC. Its considered good practice to get them working on the dlc as soon as the game goes gold since it gives them work and it means that dlc can usually come out much faster then if you waited until after release. And even with that in mind, remember we do know that the release dates of the dlc are sill months after the release of the game, the first pack being brought out in December. Very little, if anything, is being cut for something coming out that late after the games release, so I don’t see why that would be an issue.
As for the issue of the dlc focusing on the three games they wanted to focus on and not others; I have to say this does make more sense whether people like it or not. The simple truth is that assuming people would go and buy a full priced game(around 60 USD) followed by a buying a dlc pack, or the season pass(confirmed to be around 20 USD) just to play a character they like, which they’ll only be able to play in free mode and not in the story, and still have to play the story with characters they didn’t care about or want to play to unlock levels to play as the character they wanted to, and assume that those people aren’t going to turn around and complain that their favorite characters are being held hostage behind a paywall and that this has all been a massive money-grab is kinda absurd to me. Frankly, as rude as this might sound, I do think this is for the better. The people who either don’t care about the roster or are only buying the game since it has the characters that they want in it are going to be satisfied enough, and those who feel that the roster of the represented games still doesn’t fully represent them have DLC to help reach that point of satisfaction. Those who feel that their only enjoyment from this game would come from having at least one certain character that isn’t in the game can be happy not wasting their money on a game that they simply won’t enjoy. And by focusing on the biggest portion of the market for the best chance of success, the chances of a second game in the series is much higher which could continue to use the games final roster+dlc as a base selling point while focusing on 3 other games for the story and using dlc to help flesh out those game(though that would likely be coming around 2019-20 at soonest). Too me at least this just seems like a solid win win for everyone. That really people would rather have everything or nothing, then given a little bit of what they wanted, but not enough to completely satisfy them.
I’ll be honest, I have never heard the term ‘going gold’ before, but what you’re saying on that end does make sense. A game isn’t released immediately as the base product’s development has concluded, and I can understand that the less time the devs are just sitting on their laurels doing nothing, the better. I honestly don’t know how much time there is between the end of development and a game’s actual release, but I suppose it would be a fair bit. And on that note, I suppose I had forgotten that announcing DLC before a game’s release isn’t the shady business I had in mind, that was a bit of an unfair assessment. It would’ve been more of an issue had it actually released on or very close to release, and I guess that somehow just kinda blurred together in my head – or maybe I have actually developed a bias against this game that I don’t like to admit, but as you say, that’s not what’s happening here, so any such reasons for skepticism are actually rather baseless…
On the note of the DLC possibly pushing the base products sales… actually, I really want to agree with that. This thought you’re presenting here hasn’t gone by me entirely. And yet, I have seen people, on multiple occasions, claim that inclusion of one or more certain characters would actually push them to purchase the base game, so while I share your sentiment on it seeming absurd, I just don’t feel like I can dismiss it as such. Of course, it could be coincidence, but for all I know, just going off of things I’ve read, there’s a lot more people who are really passionate to have a specific character in FE Warriors than I originally thought.
For the rest, I do largely agree with your reasoning, and I think I have heard that they would be open to a sequel (can’t help but feel it’s a little early to be talking openly sequel-potential, though) and yes, that could open up the option for representation for other games. That would be nice, of course. Still, I can’t help but find that such a massive tease, and it still is a bit disappointing that I can’t have this satisfaction *now* instead of so much later. But yeah, I do get it, despite my personal frustrations.
I think it makes sense as well if we consider the size of the roster, DLC included. Since they can’t choose to represent everyone, it makes sense that they would pick from what seems to be their most popular group of characters: the Awakening/Fates cast.
To your point about DLC selling the base product, I can see a fan of these two games moving to purchase the base game knowing that an even larger group of characters they want will eventually be represented. That is, I expect the targeted audience for this game would be more enthused by seeing Tharja than Hector, or Azura over Alm. I think Azura’s exclusion from the base game is powerful evidence that the developers feel the same. Reading comments here, it seems to be that there are a lot of characters we all want, but also that our preferences aren’t as consistent as the bloc that continually seems to prefer any and all Awakening/Fates characters. The DLC strategy allows the developer to increase their revenue by dividing the base of preferred characters for that bloc into two payments.
It’s not what I wanted, and I’m very on the fence about this game in general, but I can see it. Put another way, the top 10 Awakening characters are more popular than the top 10s of any other game, and probably even some combinations of games, which are usually known for their lords.
Just to add, “Going gold” is just an industry short hand for when the game reaches its completion and its sent out to have copies physically made and the such. It simply means that once it reaches that period, no more work can be done on the game. Its considered finished and the best they can do is release something like a day 1 patch to fix any bugs that they couldn’t fix in time before reaching that period. This period varies from game to game, but on average a game usually goes gold 1-2 months before its release. So pretty much you often have this odd little window of time where dev’s can’t do anything for like two months except sit around and wait to see how the game does. With DLC though they can at least work on something to be added in the game after release, and since its not part of the base game, dev’s can basically get a second paycheck for their work, which its actually pretty common for a lot of devs to work more as freelancers of sorts and simply move from company to company then being locked into one job.
on the left we have nohrian aura (from conquest chapter where she was in the opera) and on the right it looks to be shigure due to the pendant’s shape matching azura’s pendant. so basically staff azura and possibly red flier shigure
just that some people would take it at face value due to new players introduced to the game way after the bridal banner. i’ll delete it if it seems too stupid to mention
I think this might be the Halloween Banner Teaser, Follow the Pole of what appears to be Azura’s Lance to the top left corner, and it appears to be a Scythe.
In the top left corner of what appears to be Azura’s Lance seems to be a Scythe, so it probably halloween banner, Maybe she the grim reaper or some other monster with a scythe.
Possibly, however if it is the Halloween banner i wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of a scythe, being a common occurrence as a weapon used by monsters and demons. however if its her hair then it could simply be a Nohrian Banner, maybe certain Hoshidan characters dressed as nohrians for Halloween. Also more on just the speculating side, but i wonder if the other 2 chars in the banner are Male Corrin and Female Kana. going with the theme that parents taking their children out at night for Halloween.
What type of weapon (and so on) do you have in mind for this idea? Thunder tomes on their own is somewhat redundant with bunny Lucina sadly. (But then I don’t see a shortage of amazing mounts to draw on)
I mean Pikachu theme Lucina would have to Be a red tome certainly, Thunderbolt would clearly be the tome, or possibly a axe lucina wielding Pikachu’s tail, you can get creative on what you can think for that but sadly that isnt happening ;-;
Hoshidans dressed up as Nohrians would still be considered Halloween by modern day standards, just like if it was Lucina in a Pikachu onesie. Yes i want that, and i want it now, 220 orbs ready if that’s a thing
Given what Reinhardt did for Thracia 776’s popularity, some #TMS characters would be bloody fantastic (provided they’re OP enough to be meme-ed like Reinhardt).
Don’t think it’s this one though. Nobody in #TMS wears a veil or pendant and the person on the left looks way too much like Azura.
to add to that they are kinda consistent with the hair styles when it comes to characters in any banners, the only exception of not having the same or very similar hair style is the characters that are both Male and Female, like corrin
I wonder if they would do a Oktoberfest Banner in the Future, i can imagine a few chars in lederhosen. But i doubt that, that kinda banner is coming anytime soon.
This is most likely just a autumn based banner (first 2 weeks of October), and the anticipate Halloween banner will be afterwards and last until the end of October; banners typically lasted only 2 weeks so this would make sense.
Never heard about the Genealogy banner leak, though it would seem a bit odd not to have a Halloween banner and sticking popular character (especially females) into attractive costumes or straight up pulling from the Japanese exclusive DLC from Fates that features characters in Halloween-esk attire …or they might just combine autumn and Halloween into one theme for this month.
I’m just excited to see new characters and hope I don’t get screwed over like I have with many of the past banners and not get any (Sacred Stones, Crimean, Nohrian Summer).
Certain special banners in the past such as the summer banners have lasted the entire month because you only got that one chance to get the banner, and will never get that chance again, at least to our knowledge, to pull from it again. So it being too early for that isn’t the best argument i’ve seen against this being the Halloween banner or not
I really hope it’s both Azura and Shigure! Both are in my top 10 favorite FE characters of all time and Shigure is my Birthright husbando. I’ll be a bit sad if he’s not in his cannon outfit, but I’ll be so stoked to finally have him in Heroes!
On another note, screw my luck with the Crimean banner. I’ve gotten 5* Ogma, Rebecca, Eirika, Klein, and Brave Roy in 220 orbs and none of the ones in the banner. Should probably just give up.
Yeah, to hell with the banner that gives us nothing but weaker characters and unnecessary characters, mostly the 3-Star characters! In fact, to hell with all the banners, even if the first summoning is free! Might as well save the Orbs, forever.
That’s what I generally do as well, but after I got the initial Ogma and Rebecca I had a drought until I had spent about 180 orbs or so in total. Then I got the remaining 3 in the last 40 orbs. 😡
Hopefully that wasn’t the game trying to make it up to me. That feeling when you go for the 3 orb gray to increase your percentage only to pull a 5*..
Haha yeah, what gets me is when I pull, don’t get a color I want among the five that show up, and then pull a 5* off the one pull to get me out of that bunch. Still, Eirika, Klein, and Brave Roy are nothing to complain about, or they wouldn’t be for me at least
I can only imagine, lol. I wouldn’t be as annoyed as I am if it wasn’t for the fact that I already had Klein and Eirika from earlier, but at least the latter is now merged into a +3. My Klein is +atk/-def which is pretty good, so I’m considering making him +1, but at the same time I kinda wanna hold on to that brave bow. Or just give it to Kleine, but I’m happy with how I have her now (personal bow and -atk/def in the b-slot). Well, I’ll have time to think about it.
Roy on the other hand makes me wish there was some sort of trade function in the game. I have a normal 5* star Roy sitting at level 1 since like 4 months back, and he doesn’t have that amazing skills to warrant inheriting him away. I’d gladly trade either Roy away for more copies of Sheema or Kleine who are my main units, lol.
A trade function would be nice, but of course people would just make multiple accounts…Sheena and Clarisse is such an odd pairing to me, though don’t get me wrong, I respect it, and I have a lot of fun fortifying my +Res Fortress Def Ignis Sheena
I guess I’ve always played a bit unconventional, even in the main series. My go to team nowadays is Eirika, Kleine, Sheema, and Tana. With summoner support, Eirika buffs (rally def/res), enemy debuffs, and making sure the Tana support is always available with guidance, everything that doesn’t wield armorslayer falls to the might of the princess of gra! Distant counter also means no rein shenanigans and she one shots all the remaining blue mages as well. I can even let her one up things like Ryouma since with boosts she lands on 38 speed, + the slaying axe/ignis/vantage combo of course.
Your build seems fun as well, though mine is not as tanky since +spd/-res. Also I play her more or less like a dps. Now that I think about it, pairing her up with someone with armor march could have a deadly outcome..
I got 5* Luke and Leo from this banner… but at least I got Nephenee… I do know why but I have a luck to get blue focus units. From Alm’s army I got both Mathilda and Delthea, From Nohrian Summer I only got Summer Corrin, and from the CYL Banner, I got Brave Lucina in my first try in a blue orb.
At least you’re somewhat consistent I suppose? Same can’t be said about me, unless you want to see my 3* Jagen collection… I have like 12 of those. Luke is nice though, at the very least panic ploy is.
Yeah, I’m a big Azura fan, but I generally don’t pull for focus heroes that have another hero in the same color, so I’m torn. I don’t hate Inigo, but I don’t have any real desire for him either
Well, I have a feeling that any of these characters will prove to be OP in the arena, while Azura has the clear OP dance boosts, the other 3 are ranged units which in and of itself will be a nasty thing to worry about. Olivia especially, depending on her stat spread, could prove to be a deadly character in the arena with the Poison Dagger.
Dancers are already a pain to predict with the AI being the way it is, so I’m afraid this will negatively affect balance.
Also, do we have any idea if these will be exclusive? It’s probably better if they are, but it doesn’t seem like the kind of banner that definitely is.
Olivia is pretty common, and with Ninian and Azura having been in Hero Fest banners I find they aren’t super rare either. Three is the most dancers you can have on a team and have them be able to do anything. Especially since these are likely one-time or rare units, I doubt it’ll change the game too much.
Well they aren’t common enough that every defensive team more or less runs one, and that’s what I’m afraid of. A dancer can kill an arena or an assault streak just by luck depending on how they line up, and unlike horse, dancers don’t check other dancers
Will say, I like how they gave Anna a Ballista attack, because not only is that a reference to how you get the Ballista Class DLC in Fates, but (more importantly) it’s also a reference to Anna’s canon lover, Jake, from Shadow Dragon, who just so happens to be a Ballistician.
And she approves of your decision – just don’t look at your wallet for a while so you don’t see one of her sisters pilfering the rest of your cash in exchange for DLC.
I’ll keep that in mind. Sound advice! I should pick a god and pray for more money to magically appear in my wallet so that the scales tip between the wallet and the feather for anything can change!
That’s true in a way, but I’m not a big fan of these characters anyhow. In fact all the 5* 3DS characters I’ve gotten have turned into inheritance fodder or simply into feathers. I have a +1 Ninian that I’m pleased with, and I might get Nils or Tethys eventually. Honestly, dancers would’ve been much more balanced if they had something negative to them, like an inability to counterattack or something like that. This banner is good in a way though, since I might stop seeing +10 Aquas with wings slapped onto them, which is forcing me to cripple myself by initiating combat or making sure the enemy is ORKO’d.
Indeed, although having a downside would at least make their pick have more thought put into it and make them fill more of a niche. As it is now you can slot them in anywhere and they’ll perform brilliantly pretty much. And yea that was my seventh battle in the arena so it made me a bit salty. :v
I am sooooo glad I saved my orbs and my iTunes gift cards because I want all of these and as many as I can possibly pull! Cannot wait, and thank you IS, take my money!!
Right after I spent probably at least 50 orbs for the Ninian and Hawkeye banner, a banner where all the focus heroes are dancers/singers is announced a few days later. I’d like to have any of them, though Olivia is probably the one I want the least.
Definitely going to try and get some more dancers to make my Arena Assault runs easier. Probably skipping Olivia, I don’t need colorless hell right now. >_<
So instead of characters we already have wouldn’t this have been a great time to finally release other dancer-like characters we haven’t seen yet? If would actually go for this if it was Nils/Tethys/maybe even a heron.
Forget it, I’m not spending any Orbs to summon those characters, because I always end up summoning the weak 3-Star Heroes! I’m done! I might as well save those Orbs, forever!
Sing with me a song of colorless and hate
Getting a Mist to destroy our percent rate
Spending our orbs as they come
For Olivia we will try
But in the end, we will all cry…
3* Nino was my free summon…in fact out of all the banners since the CYL banner, only 1 was not a 3* free summon. I’m seriously wondering if the summon rate of the game is broken because 2/3 of all my summons out of my last 50+ summons have been 3*s and only 2 5*s.
Got 2 Ingio before I got Azura kinda want Shigure as well since this is his first iteration in the game but pulled a Ninian instead before I ran out of orbs
I think karma is coming to bite me back after my immense good luck from the past 5 weeks. 75 Orbs later and I haven’t gotten any of the Special heroes.
I never seem to have any luck with the important banners like the Crimean or Dancer banners…but with these, always lucky. I pulled a Takumeme…of course I did.
Also, time for my raven tome Sophia to shine in the arenas…those Brave Lyn don’t stand a chance.
“two new Cipher Mascots: Alice and Valjean! They hail from Zenith, the world of Fire Emblem Heroes.”
So… is there a chance of both appear in Heroes someday?
It’s certainly possible, and I do hope it’ll happen at some point. After all, we did get the other 4 mascots in SoV! :p I don’t think they’d be playable, though, probably an NPC cameo if anything.
I could try for close counter but it’s quite apparent I won’t get it. By the time new heroes come I should have around 200 orbs or so, but with my track record not even that might be enough.
Ah, I was hoping Reinhardt might be included due to his popularity in Heroes. Oh well. The cards are looking great. I only tend to buy the starter decks since boosters are so expensive, but I might save up one day… if my addiction to Heroes will let me xD
Question for you about Casual vs Classic: Do you only lose characters if they die? Like if you lose from capture conditions, are your units safe as long as they survived? Can you forfeit/retreat on a map?
I wish you didn’t spend so much time of this hating on HW. I felt the game accomplished what it set out to do: provide a love letter to LoZ from KT…also Agitha rocks just gotta make solid use of animation canceling.
As for your review of FEW, loved it! Makes me super pumped to play, and the removal of grinding for materials in Adven- I mean History mode is a very welcome change. Thanks for the review!
Are you referring to Soren? Because he’s all that comes to mind right now.
I don’t really consider him a dragon since he demonstrates very little powers indicative of his lineage, unlike Sophia who’s at least really old. He’s likely never going to be revealed as a dragon descendant in Heroes due to said spoilers anyways.
Don’t forget Julia…who is likely to be just as big of a threat since there are 2 red dragons, 1 green, and 3 blue dragons. The only thing that would be a threat to Julia would be the 2 red non-dragon characters.
I had fun with Hyrule Warriors, I love the FE franchise, why wouldn’t I support the continued creation of FE content by getting this game? I’m stoked to play this game.
I do too, but I wish they included more characters from other than just those three games. And of all the FE games I’ve played, Shadow Dragon was actually my least favorite. Also, the first three DLC packs are from the three games ALREADY getting representation in this game.
I do too, though I actually like the characters that were selected with the exception of Sakura, and Hinoka, who I’m just indifferent towards. My picks for characters I really want to see are Ranulf and Tibarn from the Telius games; Jaffar and Nino from Blazing Sword; and I know we already have a lot of Fates characters but…ALL HALE BENNY, THE ONE TRUE GOD!!!
Ranulf and Tibarn from the Tellius games are interesting choices. Personally, I would’ve went with Soren, Volke and BK from the Tellius games. Jaffar from Blazing Sword was one character I definitely wanted to see, as well as Joshua from Sacred Stones.
Yeah, this is the first gauntlet where I actually had versions of literally everyone in it! I got a free 5★ F!Corrin from the banner, though, so I won’t complain.
I’m a little bit confused on the supports. Conversations are only held between two units who can A+ support each other and it’s only one long conversation that they have. Does that mean that a unit like Chrom who has multiple support options can only A+ support with one unit throughout the entirety of the game? Meaning during a specific playthrough you couldn’t have Chrom have an A+ support with both Robin and Ryoma? And does this game even have multiple save files, or is it just one big one like LoZ: BotW?
For the moment, out of principle I’m keeping away from the game until Alm gets announced as DLC.
Mercenary/Hero class has always been my favorite personal favorite since the days of blazing sword. Seeing 4 myrmidons with clone movesets and not a single shield merc just doesn’t sit well with me.
I’ve moved past the exclusions of Ike and Roy. At this point I just want a merc that isn’t Inigo/Severa so I can enjoy the game to some extent, and Alm fits the bill well enough.
Thank you for the insight nonetheless Jedi. I guess just a few sprinkles on the roster and I might get it in the future.
Navarre is a clone of Lyn. Most likely in development Navarre was made first, but for ”markeing purposes” Lyn was advertised with the moveset and Navarre was scrapped from playable on the base roster .
(Might get fixed on a future patch)
Owain it seems is a clone of Ryoma. Who himself, seems unplayable at the moment as well.
At least there’s 2 styles to pick.
Keep in mind its the gameplay moveset. Musou Supers is the only thing different from what I’ve seen.
Navarre is definitely staying that way he is but Owain who knows.
Hey, wait a minute! It’s understandable that Male Corrin is a dragon, even though he’s only a sword fighter in this game, but Sophia?! What’s Sophia doing there?! She’s not a dragon! …Or wait, is she?! I don’t remember!
But anyway, I don’t know who will win, Ninian or Female Corrin?!
Well, I’ll be sending out my Nino as usual, this time to everyone on team Ninian.
First time I have most of the characters in a gauntlet but FE 7 is still my favorite, so Ninian it is.
While the roster sucks, the game looks fun enough. At least they didn’t include the worst characters from fates and awakening. *Cough* Tharja and Peri *Cough*
Something I’ve noticed with these sorts of quests are that the featured characters are usually units that hardly anyone actually use.
If I had to wager a guess, IS just wants people to try out some uncommonly used units for themselves. Fir seems to be an odd choice to pair with Sully and Freddy though, because Lon’qu and Stahl were convenient choices for a sword user.
But I would vote for Adult Tiki. Following her immediate loss, I would vote for Ninian, despite not knowing who she is, because she is the only non-loli that has a character design I kind of like.
Why do I see so many thinking Nowi is going to win? Adult Tiki is pretty popular as well, and I’m pretty sure Female Corrin is more popular overall than any of these characters.
Young Tiki or Ninian will come out of Block A, but I think Female Corrin will come out of Block B.
Agreed. The only benefit is for now, the base game hasn’t creeped as much, so I’ll finally be able to finish those damn chain challenges. Of course, when the GHBs and stuff catch up, it’s not going to be a lot of fun
Yes. I still have 55 left after maxing DD, but even getting the ones you want the most will take some time. But they’re handing out a few free ones in quests so it might go a bit faster.
I just bought all the new seals so I’m down to not much. Definitely would’ve preferred to upgrade them. Distant Defense, Speed +3, and Attack +3 seem like the best. Maybe Hardy Bearing, Panic Ploy, or Deflect Magic next…
The sacred seal forging is going to be an annoying power creep. Imagine all the Brave Lyns or whatevers with Spd+3/Atk+3 now; or all the distant counters with Distant Def+3. At least the Sacred Coin cost is steep enough that it makes getting a maxed out SS take a while, but all that does is postpone the inevitable shift in the meta where people now abuse the SS as a 4th or stackable A/B/C slot.
If you give a unit who have Close Def 3 a Distant Def 3 seal, this unit will have +6 Def and +6 Res full time. And if this unit is a Cavalry, Flying or Armored unit, the Fortify can give him/her even more!
This is the first time all of my favourite picks had ever been defeated in the first round; I really thought Nowi was going to win since she had quite a lead over A!Tiki.
I refuse to accept that M!Corrin could defeat Y!Tiki, so I’m praying for Ninian to defeat him.
It seems both M! Corrin and Adult Tiki cheesed out a win, I remember Young Tiki and Nowi being in the lead the majority of the time, plus the end scores are ridiculously close to each other so that makes sense when you compare it to Ninian stomping out Fa the whole time.
and it was REALLY CLOSE for nowi too.. like 5%… and thats with the last hour having massive modifiers against us.
honestly there should be no bidifiers in the last 3 hours or so.
Ayra as a TT reward is probably a safe bet. Unless she’s a Naravee archtype than she might be GHB. Also Sigurd’s Combo if he’s getting doubled by magic, I don’t know him though is he one of the slower lords or something to warrant Crusader’s Ward? Brave Ike did with Urvan since his speed is very middle of the road.
They did a really good job with Deidre’s art. Also, I’m very interested to see Sigurd’s stat spread. They’re clearly trying to make him incredibly tanky, but if he can’t survive Reinhardt and Lyn, it won’t matter
1. Your post is ambiguous (if not entirely grammatically incorrect) it was probably confused for FEH being trash not his stat spread.
2 Citation freaking needed. While I can see his use being somewhat overhyped, spd is still his 2nd highest stat (growth rates were lower then but he seems pretty decent for 1st gen) and you only need a higher AS (and a skill he has) to double. (Swords also seem the best weapon for regular doubling purposes) And if all you have is your own experience to call on I just have one question, how much FE have you played to think that would fly?
1. Thank you, I have edited it as such.
2. You are completely and utterly wrong. You were looking at his growth stats without his holy blood included. Major Baldur gives him a +40% in HP, and a +20% in strength, skill, and luck. This leaves his speed at a measly 30% while he has 110% HP, 50% str/skl, and 40% lck/def. I’m questioning on if you played the game or just looked up the stats to try to prove me wrong. I do apologize for the snarkiness, but please don’t call my FE experience into this. It’s much larger than average.
Or maybe I just use different definitions than you on both decent (my words) and complete trash. (your words) And how could have I just looked up the stats? Besides I was asking for a citation and providing a reason something more in depth was ideal/needed.
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You said speed was his 2nd highest, while it’s actually his 6th highest? My citation was his actual growth stats. 30% speed is low, and, as someone else pointed out in the comments, only FE2 NES characters tie that. Heck, even HECTOR has a higher str. growth, and he’s a tank. I honestly don’t belive you’ve played FE4. By chapter 5, he desperately needs Tyrfing to not get doubled, let alone double anything.
I think he was talking about his base spd and honestly 12spd at level 5 seems decent to me. It can easily reach 20 by the endgame. That’s more than enough to double most enemies in Ch.5.
I find any other translation of her name that I’ve seen just as odd, honestly. And regardless of which it is, I find myself wondering, how the heck does one even pronounce her name?
Maybe it’s because English is not my native language (and I’ve heard it for many years already), so I don’t have much trouble with it. I just say it how it’s written; Tilt-you. Not gonna accept her new name though. Just reminds me of Tails from sonic (even though I know it’s based on an Irish deity).
To me it’s basically the same thing. Having ‘tail’ in the name sounds odd to me, but ’tilt’ does all the same. It just doesn’t sound right to me. (English isn’t my native language either, for that matter.)
lol, I suppose. It’s probably just that I’m used to by now, so I don’t think it’s that bad. Been far too long for me to remember how I initially reacted to it, but I find it somewhat pretty at this point.
To be fair, the names of Jugdral characters are often pretty tough to translate without sounding weird, which is usually a given when said characters are named after old mythological figures that aren’t exactly prevalent in the modern consciousness – Jugdral using some corrupted variants of names like Ferry and Holyn didn’t help matters.
I think the main issue with Tailtiu’s name is its Irish origins, because many of the names sharing those same origins like Naoise or Midayle sound equally weird in English.
That’s probably the case for a majority of people, but since I’m nordic I study texts with names of related heritage to the ones found in the games fairly regularly, so the names are kind of easy to me by now. It may sound a bit odd in English though, but imo that goes for the localization of the names as well.
As that is the case, I don’t really see the point of changing ‘Tiltyu’ to ‘Tailtiu’, since they’re not going to get a more ‘English’ name by doing so. They might as well go with the retard.
I’m probably overthinking it though. It’s likely just a preference thing. I just find the non-edited names to be better in general since that’s what I’ve been knowing the characters as for some time.
It’s not technically a change, though, because “Tiltyu” was never an official translation to begin with. It’s a fan-translation, to my knowledge. Whoever at IS was responsible for officially localizing these names had nothing to do with that.
Sigurd and Deirdre are the obvious OP picks in this banner, though Tailtiu still seems very powerful with clear indications of being a high Atk/Res build…and comes with the blade tome already built in, it’s like IS knows what people want in their mages…now if only they could make more raven tome candidates to deal with all those annoying Brave Lyns in the arena.
I wonder how they’re going to differentiate her from the other prominent infantry blue mages, in particular Mae who also has a stat spread focussing strongly on a combination of high Attack and Res. So… what could Tailtiu get? More Res? At the cost of… Speed, maybe? Is she the true blue counterpart to Sanaki and Julia?
Divine Tyrfing plus possibly DC could mean Sigurd has the chance to be the best Reinhardt counter, right? I don’t really know much about the world of Reinhardt countering as I don’t ever run into him and don’t need too much info, but from what I’ve heard about him Sigurd looks like they’re trying to make a natural anti-Reinhardt Red Unit.
EDIT didn’t read his B Slot Skill.
Even with his B slot, DC works well for Brave Bows and Reinhardt anyway. I personally think he should take DC if baiting range, or keep CD if tanking melee.
A problem against is that Sigurd is a red-type, so it seems unlikely he’d be able to KO Reinhardt on the counter, even if he can tank Reinhardt. And with his skillset seemingly hinting at a defensive stat spread, who knows if his Attack and Speed are really all that great?
I dunno, I think all he really needs to do is get Reinhardt to waste a turn attacking him instead of killing off one of your other people, so a defensive spread may be the best idea, and if he ends up also dealing a bit of damage back out, hey, great!
I love all of this art!! I haven’t played the Holy War games, but this makes me want to. Although I won’t be pulling from this banner, I am excited for it.
Ah yes, Sigurd and Deirdre, the original protagonists of Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War, and parents of Seliph and Julia. Oh, and there’s Tailtiu, too. And as for Ayra? She’s definitely going to be a Tempest Trial Hero Reward.
…I’m not gonna get those new Heroes, since this game trolls me with weaker 3-Star Heroes.
” the focus on weapons properties tend to be more important than the triangle itself, although as the enemies get tougher the triangle is a bit more key to doing things faster.” So just like Dynasty Warriors 8 then?
Got my 3rd Lucina….sigh….she doesn’t even have any good skills to give to people since Aether is bound by certain lords that basically already come with it. p2p problems here XD.
dammit, and i merged her already XD. *sigh* I don’t even use her. in general my +1 Alm does the job better than she does (has has a better stat spread for the most part)
If you desperately want to fodder an Aether, I would just promote a Chrom from 4 stars. I think merging a Five Star exclusive is the smarter play overall, they’re just too rare outside Hero Fest.
I understand that that kind of luck is rather uncommon. I mean, I pulled nothing in a similar number of orbs, like not even much I could use for inheritance. Granted, I had already pulled P!Azura a while ago, so it kind of balances out, but still. What do we suppose the odds are supposed to be for a 5* pull anyway (estimated as 1 every ____ pulls)?
This is the first banner in a while that I’ve gotten a focus hero at all. Last ones were Tana and Innes that I got in the same session. But 3 base percentage is really quite low in the end, even with the double focus percentage. It’s hard to tell if I’m unlucky or lucky to get five 5*’s in so many orbs, since maths are not really my forte. I’ve done worse than this previously though.
I’ve been playing since launch and I have 59 5*’s, including ones I’ve promoted as well as TT rewards. Don’t really have anything to compare with so I don’t know if that’s a lot.
At base percentage (3%) there is a 97% chance of failing, so we just multiply it by itself 5 times granted we summon using all orbs. Then we have the chance of failing 5 times in a row and just use that to find the success. Effectively a 14% chance of getting a 5* in a base session, disregarding the focus. That’s actually not all too bad in the end, since the chance rises every session. It just feels worse probably.
Math isn’t my strength either, so I will take your word for it. I had estimated 1 in every 20 orbs, including focus percentage. I have probably about 54 5* since launch including Tempest Trials, merges, and SI fodder (I’ve broken down two Minervas for Life and Death and still have one left). Definitely not complaining about that. I’ve got a good bunch of meta relevant and favorite heroes, and while very few are optimized, only a few have harmful IVs.
I forgot to count merges and inheritance, in which case I’ve gotten about 80 in total. That seems really good in comparison to yours, but I’ve also spent a bit of cash on the game from time to time. Nothing crazy though, since it’s still a gamble to get the ones you like.
The IVs are my bane though. I didn’t think about them too much early game, but now I’ve noticed quite a few are negative (-spd Linde and Palla most notably). Both Deirdre and Tiltyu are +hp and -atk/-res respectively, so I’m hesitant in using them for that. Gonna hope to get at least one more of them with better IVs.
Haha to be fair I meant colored orbs, so 1 in every 80 or so, I guess, which seems more reasonable. The other way would, probably be too much. And I could’ve miscounted, but I doubt it’s more than 60 5*.
The randomness makes it really hard for me to justify spending, though obviously I don’t think ill of anyone who does. I might find it worth it hindsight though. Like if you said I spent $X and got <, then I might think “yeah, that’s worth it”. I’ve seen other games that offer guarantees in certain price packages. Like if they said buying certain orb packs, even only the more expensive ones, guaranteed even a random 5*, then I’d probably be much more likely to do so, but they clearly felt confident enough in their model not to go that way.
Yeah that makes more sense lol. Idk but I wish there was either a way to at least slightly manipulate the heroes you can get, that or have the option to maybe change IVs with the use of orbs. It’s unlikely for me to get another Tiltyu, so instead it would be nice if I could change her stat spread instead.
Like in the Crimean banner, I didn’t get a single focus hero even though I spent well over 200 orbs. If it could be changed up so that your first 5* from a certain banner is always a focus, then I too would probably spend a bit more on the game.
Wow, Arden is looking fantastic here. I honestly thought he’d have looked way uglier if he ever got into the game at all, so I’m glad to be wrong on both accounts.
Too bad I got nothing from the banner since I was spooked by Gray.
I’ve found a range. I love the art for Leon and Soren (and Arvis) for example, but can’t stand the artist who did Valter. I don’t love the big-eyed anime style art either (RIP Catria). Arden is beautifully shaded
Valter, Saber and Eldigan are all by the same artist, right? I actually like how he drew them, since it captures their nature pretty well. Valter in particular looks menacing. Personally I find Leon and Soren to be kinda… Glossy? Idk. The art itself is good but I don’t like how the lighting is.
The anime style is a hit or miss lol. I don’t mind it since I read manga a lot so I’m used to it. But a lot of the characters look like that anyway. Kleine is one of my favourite character and I love how she’s drawn (Nabarl and Shigure look great too). Most of the time I feel that the art blends well with the personality of the characters, but sometimes I wish it could’ve been a bit better. I don’t mind Sheema’s but it would’ve been interesting to see another artists interpretation of her.
Hmm you make a good point about the art representing their personalities. It’s definitely a matter of personal preference, and I’m not even consistent in my preferences! I hate the Saber art but don’t mind Eldigan, and like Shigure, but not Navarre. I tend to prefer art that resembles the style of the official Shadows of Valentia art, and so really appreciated the small touch-up of Minerva and this batch of Geneology art, but also like what Innes’ artist did for him.
It’s fair to say Soren and Leon are “glossy”, but I love the detail in the clothes and hair. I think you can get away with the anime style for characters like Nino, but it made me sad to see for characters like Catria and Est.
On my 6th summon, pulled a Deirdre…+HP/-SPD, RIP Spd Ploy utility for her. I could go with a raven tome build, but that feels like a waste of her unique tome. But hot damn…Arya looks like she’d be an even better version of Lyn and any other the others of the archetype. And Arden is a bigger tank than Zephiel. Also, Arvis data found in game…confirmed F2P.
Mine was +hp/-atk… I really have bad luck with this. My Sigurd is +def/-res, and my Tiltyu is +hp/-res. The latter was the one I wanted to most, so I’m really disappointed by that. But at least Sigurd is usable since his base res is pretty shitty anyway.
Yeah, I’m really looking forward to using her, so I’ve saved up 60k feathers. Glad she seems strong since she set the tone for the archetype anyway. Hopefully it’s a GHB so I can get more copies of her..
I’m grateful for these Holy War characters because Arvis’s Def Ploy and Arya’s Swift Sparrow are going straight to my FireSweep Bow Innes that I’m building (2 skills he desperately needs for that build to be functional)
Yeah Def Ploy for him isn’t very useful, but it can make for a good inherited skill for high Res physical attackers or just as a good debuffer for your team. He’ll definitely be a good unit seeing as he has great Atk and Res and a solid enough Spd. Biggest thing though is the healing utility from his special Renewal 4 skill. Let’s go F2P!
This map do not look to be difficult. I already have a strategy for it… which maybe can be destroyed if the mages have Wolf Tomes.
The problem will be the reinforcements… We need to finish this map the faster we can!
That’s honestly a great way to implement dual audio, just make it an optional free download for the people that want it. Hopefully Nintendo does this more since there’s obviously people who prefer dual audio.
Tons of games recently have been following the free DLC formula for Japanese voices if they weren’t already in the game, so it’s clear Nintendo/IS is following that trend.
Really glad Warriors in particular has dual audio, given the nature of the game.
I honestly had no idea more companies were already doing it since i’m so used to dual audio already being in the game or not implemented, but it’s fantastic if Nintendo is going to start doing it as well and hopefully they do the same with the next FE game.
It’s typically done for games where the main game already takes up so much space on the card/disc, that they just make it free DLC. Though, this may also be NoA getting the licensing rights too late for it to be implemented on the card. I want to clarify that this is speculation on both parts by me and not necessarily the case in truth.
It is fantastic for those wanting the option and I hope people thank NoA for including it this time, because it does cost money to get the rights from the voice actors and the extra man hours to implement!
I’m probably in the minority here, but I actually wanted Arvis to appear as his older self. What little of the art I’m seeing seems pretty good though, so I don’t really mind.
PSA: This is not me rubbing it in
So this was more manageable than freaking Valters. Though I had to cheese it with 2 dancers. Line Up was (all 5 star) Blue Azura, Lilina, P. Inigo, & Innes (Summoner Support + Ally Support Max with P. Inigo). Lilina was there to take out the armored reinforcements on top and stray horse units that would come up. Azura basically to kill that first red mage and draw out the blue horse unit. Then to help Lilina kill off both Armored Reinforcements through dance (and teleport around the field with Escape Route). Innes & Inigo took care of the rest. Innes managed to snag the killing blow with desperation. In fact I think I finished this before all the reinforcements came.
So what you basically need: Dancer(s), A Magic Nuker to leave at the top (because the armored units have steady breath and their special are basically going to set off, killing your units that attack them directly), & Someone with high res and speed that can bait out the mages below. Its better to stay towards the top out of Arvis’s reach until you’re ready to strike. Make sure to kill him on your turn and don’t let him have the chance to attack out. 99% of the time he’ll full out kill whoever he attacks since his special is automatically set to go off. And the bastard has 37 base RES. So even my 36 Res Innes had to stay out of his range.
There’s more than likely other ways around this. Inb4 people show their “Brave Bow + Brave Lyn & Reinhardt” teams.
Actually, those Armours have Steady Stance, not Steady Breath (thank goodness). Difference is mainly +2 Defense, but that they won’t immediately retaliate with their Bonfire if you strike at melee range (without a Brave weapon, anyway).
infernal ezpz. (DC) Sheema, Tana, Sanaki, Linde. Just let Sheema bait the initial cavaliers and both blue mages, while letting Linde and Sanaki pivot around Tana to handle the red mages and generals without much trouble. Then dropped back slightly when the second general wave appeared. Tana and Linde made short work of Arvis himself.
3 new playable characters… ok… Let’s think.
In Shadow Dragon we have Navarre and Gharnef as NPCs, so both can be in the dlc pack, with a new character. My hopes are to Minerva, because we only have 1 Wyvern Rider.
In Awakening we have Owain and Validar, so probably will be both + a new character, which can be Tharja or even a dragonstone user, like Nowi or Adult Tiki (I hope for Adult Tiki, because a support conversation between both Tikis would be cool)
But there is a problem, and it is in the Fates DLC Pack. There are 3 Fates NPCs in the game: Oboro, Niles and Iago. And Azura was “mentioned” in a interview, so… which character will be replaced by Azura, if Azura become part one playable character? Can Iago not become a playable character? If yes, can the others villans get the same tratament in favor of others characters? I hope so, because all villans looks to have the same moveset.
I hate the fact that there’s enemy reinforcements in this Grand Hero Battle, and this God forsaken game still won’t let me summon a Dancer or a Singer from the Goddamn Performing Arts Banner to beat this mother f***ing Grand Hero Battle! F*** THIS!
Oh, no, I didn’t say anything wrong about original Olivia, I’m just saying that this Grand Hero Battle would’ve been a little easier if I had at least one Dancer or Singer from the Performing Arts Banner. All I ever have is Original Olivia and Ninian, but that’s not enough, because I don’t have any Performing Arts characters, not even Original Azura.
Brave Lyn, Xander, and 2 WoM Dancer beat Infernal for me. The key points were that Xander had Hone Cav for Lyn, Quick Riposte to OTK the Green Cav and Ignis+Quicken Pulse (I tried my normal Bonefire, but it wasn’t enough) to deal with a blue mage. Lyn needed to fall to the WoM threshold and attack mages and cavs in the right order so that she would trigger Draconic Aura and one shot the mages after her initial damage, she also needed to start each turn next to Xander for Honing. After the initial wave of mages and cavs. it becomes a matter of slowly picking off the armored guys Lyn from safety.
Kind of annoying that they slipped her in a Focus with existing characters… not only that, but Eldigan is a red unit already, reducing the chance of rolling her again…
And suddenly Ayra. And while being the only new unit on this banner, she shares her colour with Eldigan, making her an absolute pain to get. Wonderful.
I’m REALLY thankful I got Deirdre yesterday for a 40% bonus unit, though. Tempted as I am to try for Ayra… I feel like I should wait. A unit like her is bound to pop up on a future banner again, I think.
I feel like they should be making more of a concerted effort to balance the colors of units. All four Tempest Trials prizes have sword units (and there was no reason to give Tobin a sword), and then with Ayra and Arvis, and Sigurd, on top of Arden, it just feels like there’s a lot of red around.
…Now that’s just rude. They could’ve mentioned that she’d be a focus unit. Kinda impossible for me to go for her now after blasting my orb supply at the other characters.
if any of you have an issue with this banner like i do then go to faq -> customer support -> feedback and write about your feeling regarding this banner
That’s exactly what I did, f*** this banner. Eldigan serves only to piss everyone off who wants Ayra, like myself as I pull an Eldigan, ruining any chances that I’ll get Ayra now.
Honestly, this is just annoying; it’s not really unfair. They’ve surprised us with banners before (like CYL). They do it so people will spend for more orbs. It’s just part of a game like this. Besides, it’s our fault for assuming that Ayra would be an event hero. If we’re going to complain, I’d rather complain about game balance (lack of certain colors, terrible arena maps, seeing horses for 80% of Arena Assault runs, etc.) than about not being able to get a hero the game is very clear no one is entitled to
firstly, these are completely new units (or rather ayra along with holy war banner), CYL units already appeared in previous banners when you could’ve gotten them at that point.
the problem is that ayra was featured as a hidden unit (like the black knight) in the holy war preview and yet they decided not to include her in the holy war banner or as a F2P unit. and when everyone spent orbs trying to get brand new units, here comes a TT focus banner wit ayra in it with eldigan (this is the first time they’ve decided to feature a brand new character as a tempest banner focus), which is bound to increase draw difficulty. they could’ve included ayra in the holy war banner so at least you could’ve had a chance at getting one of two new units instead of having also a red unit who has already been featured at least twice
Actually, the original CYL units were new upon their release, and were released more or less without warning (after the Stones banner, I think). There were at least two banners designed to get people to spend orbs before CYL was released, and CYL actually included more inportant heroes in that they were both more popular and more powerful. If you mean that they were alternates of already available characters, I don’t really see the relevance of that distinction.
But that’s beside the point. Additionally, they didn’t feature her as anything in the preview. She was just there. There was no reason to assume she was an event hero except precedent. I’m not saying it isn’t annoying, or that it isn’t a clear cash grab based off of inconveniencing players. What I am saying is that they haven’t done anything unfair and that there’s really no claim to raise formal complaints in light of more far-reaching concerns
do you mean brave heroes banner? because there was also a CYL male and female top 4 banner.
the brave heros banner made up for it’s surprise by having one of the focus units free of your choosing
Yeah, I meant the Brave Heroes. I was under the impression it was referred to as the CYT banner, but it would’ve been clearer if I just said Brave. I was also under the impression that the free hero was connected to the promotion itself and not the suddenness, but it certainly COULD have been because of that.
I definitely agree this was a dick move. There’s no other way to look at it. But it is a dick move that they are well entitled to make. My point is that if we’re going to flood them with complaints, I’d rather they be substantive ones about game balance than a one-off about a particular character in a particular banner, unless of course this becomes common practice, and even then, most of the harm here is the lack of precedent. I imagine they must receive any number of ridiculous and incoherent complaints. This just doesn’t seem important enough to justify cashing in whatever little good faith they allow us
i partially agree with the second statement that you made regarding them getting all kinds of complaints, but it’s just that as a F2P player it infuriates me that i have to resort to buying orbs if i want to get ayra or haven’t gotten any of the holy war units when they could have just been put together. this banner was clearly meant to rub salt in the wounds of F2P players for not buying orbs.
So far we’ve only gotten 125 orbs this month. with TT were looking at another 42 (that is if you manage to get the orbs before the end of october, i’m talking about maxing out the score of course). plus daily logins and quests from a GHB, BHB and such. A bit over 200 would be my estimation for the end of the month. unless there’s the halloween banner, we haven’t gotten this little amount of orbs since june.
I mean, I’m also F2P. There are just banners I can’t participate in. Sacred Stones and Crimean were two recently that I missed. I got lucky with early focus pulls for P!Azura and Brave Lucina, otherwise, I wouldn’t have been able to spend to keep up. Then, I spent 200 orbs on Holy War and got nothing, hardly anything for SI even (I was, so excited to pull a 3* Cecilia because it meant I could make a raven build; that’s how I was feeling)
I’m well aware of the arguments you and others are making, and I once again agree that, for Ayra fans, this is a major bummer. But so are limited heroes. So are heroes who rarely ever have a featured focus (oh Hinoka, where are you?) So is the color imbalance that allows everyone to get wrecked by Reinhardt. There are some strange rarity decisions as well (why is Luke a 5*) and they never lower the rarity of heroes so the 5* pool is a bloated mess. The point I’m trying to make is that they probably won’t attend to all these issues (and I could go on), which seem comparable to the one people are currently riled about, and given that games like this are only required to display a passing tolerance of F2P players, I’m just not convinced this is the hill I want to die on. It seems like people are mad mostly because it happened to Ayra, but what will determine if they do this again will not be the number of complaints, but how much people shell out for her. If people abstain and they don’t make their projections from this banner, they won’t do it again.
Oh GREAT, the next Tempest Trial Hero Reward is…ANOTHER FREAKING GUY! Ayra, on the other hand, is in the Summoning Focus Banner! Well, you know what?! SCREW IT! I’m not gonna waste my Orbs on that banner, nor will I waste any Orbs on the Holy War Banner nor the Performing Arts Banner! I’m sick and tired of this game trolling me with weaker Heroes such as Wrys! …I’m done…summoning!
I agree that, for Ayra fans, this is a major bummer. But so are limited heroes. So are heroes who rarely ever have a featured focus (oh Hinoka, where are you?) So is the color imbalance that allows everyone to get wrecked by Reinhardt. There are some strange rarity decisions as well (why is Luke a 5*) and they never lower the rarity of heroes so the 5* pool is a bloated mess. IS probably won’t attend to all these issues (and I could go on), which seem comparable to the one people are currently riled about, and given that games like this are only required to display a passing tolerance of F2P players, I’m just not convinced this is the hill I want to die on.
It seems like people are mad mostly because it happened to Ayra, but what will determine if they do this again will not be the number of complaints, but how much people shell out for her. If people abstain and they don’t make their projections from this banner, they won’t do it again.
Not trying to start a fight, just not feeling the outrage as much as some others
That’s all totally fair; the game is far from perfect. When leaving feedback, I actually talked about the bloated pool of heroes.
As for Ayra’s situation, personally, I am somewhere between indifference and mildly annoyed. At least with limited heroes, you’re given plenty of warning. But Ayra was dropped with such little notice and with almost no rhyme or reason. So I can understand how others are angry. Moreover, I am concerned that the developers will make this a trend.
If it becomes a trend, then I absolutely think we should revolt (as a F2P player, I’d want to protect myself add much as I could), and I understand why this bothers people and acknowledge this is a bad thing. I would just prefer they fix some of the things I mentioned.
I also think a lot of the harm was the lack of certainty. It was wrong of us to assume with certainty that the past would indicate the future, but it’s not unreasonable that we did so. However, I think if we begin to expect this, it won’t be as bad. Another issue specific to this case is that Eldigan is also in the focus, but they’ve done that before (I screamed with joy pulling Katarina. It would have sucked if I pulled Luke instead). Now they’re definitely doing that on purpose here too, to drive spending, but if they refrain from that in the future, even if the overall practice continues, I think it would be more manageable
The problem with revolting as a F2P player is that you’re not really a customer, so they don’t really value feedback from you. So it’s like… if you revolted by deciding not to buy any orbs anymore… well, it’d make no difference for someone who didn’t buy orbs in the first place.
As a paying “customer,” I feel that her stats kind of negate other sword units from even being useful. Navarre, for instance, was already struggling (as many other sword units). This just seals his fate 🙁 I hope they can raise past characters stats… or something?
I think it’s because they know Ayra is pretty OP on the powercreep and her being a TT or GHB unit would lower that slightly as whales can’t merge her. Though waifusim may do with it for all I know.
I think you’re right to point that out. For me, I’m pretty sure Reinhardt still blows her up and that she’s still one of many viable targets for the one sword/red slot, so I’m not too concerned about her in the meta. Unless we’re all concerned about Arena Assault now, which we could be. I don’t know exactly what the meta looks like, but since Reinhardt/Horse is part of so many offensive and defensive teams, I’m not going to expect to see too much of her
A bit disappointed that the characters alreafy in the game are counted as DLC characters, but it’s not unsurprising. The Fates DLC cannot come soon enough, though.
I understand the outrage, when Arden was found to be the TT reward I was on the board of that she was the next GHB. I was mystified to see her on a banner with older people and while I went for her and got her with quite literally the last summon I could do I was fearing pulling Eldigan the entire time. As the article said if they did this with say…..Kieran from PoR and RD and paired him with Oscar and maybe Titania it probably wouldn’t be as bad because as funny and mildy awesome as Kieran is hes not a main player and insanely popular. I would argue Ayra is one of the few characters that many Western Fire Emblem fans know of even if they never played GotHW. I know I’m one her popularity just precedes her.
Happy for Owain, but RIP Ike, Sigurd, Lilina, Roy, and the rest of the characters that would’ve truly made this an all-star game. I feel like Celica and Lyn were tagged in just to prevent fans from saying “It’s all Awakening, Fates, and Shadow Dragon”, but that’s obviously all it is anyway.
Hopes for dlc pack 2. Besides that, slightly dissappointed about the base characters being dlc. Olivia is an oddball though, Azura was basically guaranteed, Minerva and Linde were great choices in my eyes.
Heroes likely had an influence on that. Dancers are some of the best units in the game, and Olivia is the most easily accessible of those. She likely has a very high usage rate in that game so they see her as more popular.
That said, she’s one of my favorite characters I never thought we’d get, so I’m stoked. Kinda shocked not to see adult Tiki or Nowi.. or any other stone user.
I’m not too bothered by this. What I’m bothered by is that it happened without any forewarning. If I had known that she would be in this banner, I’d not waste all my orbs on the other FE4 characters, and the problem would’ve been completely circumvented.
While I haven’t played FE 4 I think this was a very bad move and I don’t want it to ever happen again. I have sent a complaint in because I don’t want my favorites to end up on banners like this. The only good thing I see is that Japanese fans are just as mad as the rest of the world and the twitter page for this banner has nothing but angry posts. I hope IS will learn that they can’t do this and have happy players.
This is completely typical mobile-game-with-gacha-mechanic practice, unfortunately. You can complain, if you’d like, and I definitely understand the sentiment, but I doubt they’ll do anything about it.
Thing is, up to this point, FEH has been very reasonable and player-friendly about these sorts of things relative to other gachas. It may be typical in the genre, but it’s not exactly typical fare for this game in particular. It has been running for 8 months with relatively little issue, so apparently something changed. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect the devs to listen and try to react reasonably to people voicing their opinions on these developments, especially given their track record. Nothing’s gonna change if you don’t try, that’s for certain.
A lot of mobage starts out like that, though. Typically, they do not do this right off the bat, because their playerbase wouldn’t be very large if they did. They need to establish a playerbase and then, if they need greater profit, they turn to tactics such as this to increase revenue.
The other point is that a lot of players, myself included, aren’t mobile gamers. This is my first and only mobile game; I’d never heard of a “gatcha game” before this. Frankly, it’s a pretty terrible business model for a company like Nintendo to follow, and there’s been no sign of things getting more consumer-friendly, despite them having made tens of millions in sales already.
The real problem with this whole situation is what’s mentioned at the end; FE Heroes has been VERY predictable in term of when and HOW they release new characters. This move completely broke carefully constructed precedent WITHOUT THEM TELLING US THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT. The last few months, they’ve released videos previewing all the content for the month to come, along with a visual calendar/schedule thing. Then suddenly, prior to October, nothing. No news, announcements, schedule, nothing at all. Then they tease her release the same way, as mentioned, that they teased FOUR OTHER previous units that were made freely available. Then, after everyone has spent their money/orbs on the two new banners (again, only two new-character banners per month is their previously-established precedent), they suddenly stick her in her own banner, completely without warning, and even partially block her with another old red summon (Eldigan) who isn’t even a very useful character in the game.
It was definitely, absolutely planned to screw players over and make them chose between spending a bunch of money to TRY to get her, or going without. And if you miss her, you can almost certainly kiss her goodbye forever; the pool of characters is so huge now and there are so many 5* units that they refuse to drop to more common rarities that you’re chances of pulling an individual one off-banner are almost zero. I’ve been playing since release day and have pulled thousands of characters and STILL cannot get Hinoka, for example. And now, hey, ad Ayra to that list I guess, because I’m not rich and I can’t drop any more money on this game this month. Thanks, I.S. Thanks a bunch.
They can’t reduce the rarities of paid units. That is just as bad and extremely frowned upon in most gacha games because it reduces the value of units that some players may have paid hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars for. Imagine spending a lot of money to roll a unit who, 5 months later, falls to 4 stars. It also creates a precedence that they will do it again, encouraging the player base to wait for better rates instead of rolling immediately.
Gacha games in general end up with an enormous number of special and/or high rank units as a result. I don’t like it either, but… that’s the business model. The only reason so many people can play for free is because of the few high-rollers who pay enough money to make up for them.
That’s true. Somehow, though, I don’t think it’s quite the same. As you know, FEH is unique in that you can rank-up your units. As a result, any unit can be upgraded to 5 stars. But that also means rarity is no longer tied to the star rating. Your 5 Star Gaius is still… just Gaius.
I think among rare units there are some that will remain 5 stars no matter what either because of their popularity or their unique skill set. Takumi, for example, remains a rare pull because of his Close Combat skill.
As for 5 star units being downgraded to 4 stars, I prefer to think of it as 4 star units temporarily having a 5 star version. Especially if they’re downgraded immediately after the banner.
Normally, I’d agree. But this is still a Nintendo funded and developed title, so I imagine they would take the feedback a lot, lot more seriously. Also, while making profits is still very desirable, I am sure they also value their other objective, which is to create buzz and good will for the mainline Fire Emblem entries. If Heroes got enough flack, they absolutely wouldn’t want that to transfer to the main games. Then again, who knows what they’re really thinking…
Personally, having seen what Square Enix does with their own IPs, I don’t agree. I wholeheartedly want to agree, but the number of similar games with similar game-changing precedents with gacha mechanics once the game is more established is just too high to discredit. Nintendo completely knew what they were doing from the very start. That’s the only reason it’s been so friendly thus far.
The dirty tactics is what concerns me They took a new character who had no setup what-so-ever, and could’ve been with the other 3 new characters, and stuck her in a banner with 2 old ones. I don’t like FE4 that much (probably in the minority on that opinion), but I still would’ve liked to have had a fair shot at getting Arya from either a F2P method or a banner with other new characters, not this nonsense. Even if nothing is done about this specific fuck up, I hope IS realizes that they did indeed…fuck up, and never do it again.
“To further add insult to injury, the two other heroes are fairly lacklustre in comparison and one of them–Eldigan–shares a colour with Ayra, further reducing the chance to summon her (1.5% instead of 3% if you select a Red stone). This means even for those who choose to summon/spend, the rates aren’t as good as they could be.”
This isn’t how summoning works, the rates barely change at all
But Niles, Oboro, Navarre and Owain are all technically in the game already, just not playable. So is this really paid on-disk DLC? Because if so, then that’s yet more trouble on a day that already began with trouble for IS.
That’s a question I’ve had for a bit was this IS choice or KT’s? Because Nintendo in general has been really good about not having “day one” DLC like this in the past
That’s a good question, but regardless of the answer, this game is heavily associated with IS, and there’s no way they would not have known what’s going on here. Generally speaking, if it’s in the game, IS must have approved of it. Which again, gives IS yet more receptional trouble.
Having a character model in game as an NPC does not equate into being in game as a playable character. Oboro, Owain and Navarre only have simple NPC attack (literally 3-4 moves they do, in fact, Oboro uses the sandard attacks that other Generic Lance Footsoldiers use, nothing special other than her model) and only a small handfull of lines. A playable character however requires a complete moveset (7 basics with 6 strong, added crit, musou and awakening animations). A whole slew of lines need to be added as most characters have over 30 I believe, from grunts to couple sentence long lines.
To note (a very different style of game, but let’s use it as an example), lets use Kingdom Hearts. Riku has been a playable character in one of the games. Riku shows up in all of the Kingdom Hearts games, yet he is not a playable character in the game, just an NPC. If they added him in as a playable character in DLC, would you then complain that he was already in the game? He had a model, attacks and voice work, would not also make it then on disk DLC? No, it would not. Again, that example was a large stretch, but it is among the same lines.
Just because you see a character in game, does not automatically make it on disk DLC. For you to claim such things, you would need to crack into the game code and see if all the aforementioned data needed to make a character playable by the player is on the disk for it to be on disk DLC.
I am fully aware that having a model and some attacks on these characters doesn’t mean they exist on-disc in a fully playable form. I wasn’t claiming anything of the sort, hence why I was posing it as a question.
Having said that, there are some things I’m wondering about. We have little reference for Oboro (due to there being no playable infantry lances in the base game…) but for Owain, Navarre and Niles, most of their moveset already exists. Even if the AI versions only use a small number of attacks, those attacks are cleary one that already-playable characters use as part of their moveset. Owain uses Ryoma’s moveset as a base, Navarre uses Lyn’s and Niles uses that of Takumi and Sakura. As far as their moveset goes, all that needs to be added are like 3 special attacks, and then an ‘Awakening activation’ animation and a dash animation, and I think and that’s more or less it. of course, that isn’t nothing, but I can’t help but feel this is treading the line a bit.
I’ve also heard that Prf weapons for all currently existing characters were found in the data, including for characters that don’t yet have one, such as the Wing Spear for Caeda. Now, I of course don’t know this for sure yet, but what if these are part of the paid DLC? Can I speak of on-disc DLC at that point?
It’s frustrating, absolutely. Throwing in a highly-sought after unit like Ayra in a separate banner with older units, making her super powerful, reducing her pull rate by mixing her with another red unit is basic gacha strategy.
But hey, that she is highly-sought after is the exact reason they did this. She’s an SSS-tier waifu. $$$$$$$$$$
So I’m going to roll for her with my free orbs. But I don’t want to enforce this practice so… as someone who can and does pay orbs for units I really want… I’m not going to buy this time.
Let me explain how summoning works because they way you explained it is actually wrong.
The game rolls 5 times with a 3% chance to hit a focus character. if this roll hits it rolls randomly between the focus characters. in this case if you hit you have a 1 in 3 to get ayra. (+.25% on focus and 5 star for every 5 draws thats not a 5 star)
any rolls that fail will roll again on the 5 star list, if any hit the game rolls randomly to see what character you get. every character has an even chance (or as even as possible) to be drawn.
this happens again for the 4 star then the 3 star rolls.
When this is done the colour of the hero is shown. it does not mean you have less chance to draw ayra because there are 2 reds. they both have an even chance to be drawn as the focus. Some focus characters are also on the 5 star list so they are more likely to be drawn because you have 2 chances to get them.
in other words, its actually a lot better for you to draw her because she’s 1 in 3 on that banner not 1 in 4 if you hit a focus
THIS BEING SAID : they really should have placed her on the other banner or at least split it up 2 and 2 if possible (maybe with overlap)
to be fair, its almost impossible to test with individual rolls but we do know that the listed rates are accurate. and in order for them to match those rates the came could not just pick 5 random stones as that would not allow focus characters to be drawn at the listed rate. it might just roll 1 time at whatever the rates are but that would have no priority leading to inaccurate rates.
Otherwise, to the best of my knowledge and those that helped test that the only way to match those rates would be to setup some priority rolls and drop tables. So take that with a grain of salt. but the rates for ayra should still be better.
(sorry didnt have my coffee yet should, have been more clear)
While this is true. I think it’s important to note that summoning Sigurd when going for Ayra would be more desirable than getting Eldigan while going for her
But you have to consider the fact that you have more chances to reset your % the more of the same color there are, if you are rolling for that specific unit, so it does affect.
I don’t mind the banner shenanigans, that’s to be expected in gacha games. People created hype on speculation and were disappointed, sucks but that’s what it is. The real issue which is being pushed off to the side is not the banner but the clear power creep of her increased stats. If her stats become the new norm all the old swords will largely be useless. Her statline should be nerfed into line with other swords and let her sword and unique special set her apart.
I don’t really disagree, but I don’t really see why that’s the more pressing issue. One character out of a banner compared to invalidating existing infantry swords. That said I’m biased, I hate horse emblem and refuse to dirty my hands by running them, so Sigurd and Edigan are equally wothless to me.
One problem with that argument is they’ve been busily working on invalidating Infantry Swords for a while now – Ayra is just the latest in line, I could point to things like Sigurd’s Weapon and B Skill, which are centered around being a mage tanker, or Brave Roy’s Weapon, designed to make running Skills with a high charge time more viable while also making running Skills with lower charge times even better, especially if you got lucky, pulled a Brave Ike, and sacked him to give Brave Roy Steady Breath.
Yeah, those two are cavalry, not infantry, but unless you’re dedicatedly not running any cavalry there’s no real reason to use any current Infantry Sword if you have one of the good cavalry, plus there’s probably several good Infantry Sword Units who invalidated older Infantry Swords when they came out that you could use as well if you pulled them.
Power Creep is also a rather commonly recognized part of most games that want you to keep playing and paying for an extended period of time, since there’s no reason to try to get new heroes if they don’t have anything over ones you already have – I’d probably have tried to get Sigurd for my Red Unit if I hadn’t already put so much time and effort into my Roy, actually, and I don’t really like cavalry Units either.
On the other hand, this is the first time this kind of Banner shenanigan has happened in the game, and so at least some people feel they can try and stop this kind of thing before it’s too late, whereas with Power Creep everyone knows there’s literally no way of stopping it once it gets started, you just have to shake your head and either deal with it or stop playing. I hate that that’s how it is, but it’s true.
This Banner thing really isn’t going to affect me right now as I’m holding on to my Orbs hoping for a Halloween Banner anyways, but I’ll still let them know that I’d prefer this be the only time this happens because there’s a small chance we can actually get them to make that the case.
(Now if only I could get everyone this riled up over the lack of the Eight Legends in the game…)
Honestly, I imagine there would be less anger. But even still, he’s a pretty impressive armour with an exclusive skill. So I think people would be pretty miffed regardless.
I think this was a very bad move on IS. It has gotten so much backlash and rightfully so. I don’t think they should’ve separated the banners but when you think about it, then there wouldn’t be a TT banner. Since they made Ayra a 40% unit. The way to solve this was to not make her a 40% unit. They should’ve made Julia the last 40% unit as a lot of people thought. This way they could’ve done Julia with Lachesis and Eldigan. I think this is a very bad precendent because this seems to show that IS wants to move in a bad direction. This is a perfect example of the bad path of Gacha games. You have an event and make the characters look good and desirable while also hinting another separate character being good and desirable so people spend their orbs for the banner not expecting the separate character to be a different summoning. Then they don’t have orbs for the new summoning. This is how they get you to spend money. When you think about it yes if you pay you will have an upper hand but now this is leaning towards a pay to win mechanic which is destructive for a huge section of the players and fan base. Personally I thought she was Tempest Trail reward BUT then they announced Arden. So immediately I thought ok he is certainly the Tempest Trial reward and maybe she will be a similar situation as Navarre. Navarre was an enemy that you recruit which is why he was a grand hero battle. Slight spoiler warning……….. Ayra was an enemy in Genealogy of the Holy War that you recruit so it made sense that she would be a similar case as Navarre
What they did with Ayra here is upsetting, but the only real complaint that I see is that they should have advertised her as being a summon character from the beginning. The whole tempest trial is based on first generation units from FE4, so that throws Seliph and Julia out of the equation. And it would have been weird for them to have a summon focus with only two units, since I don’t think they have done that before.
Wait seriously, the NPCs are going to be paid DLC? Didn’t see that one coming. That mostly sucks for the Fates pack since it means only one new character.
Also so much for listening to the fan response, lol. Of course it’s all already decided.
So many girls added to the game, they pretty much forgot male characters exist. I shouldn’t be surprised at this point. I probably won’t bother going for the DLC, tempted as I am for Navarre. If you could purchase just the male characters on their own, I would do, but I really am not bothered about the rest any more.
Maybe if I get bored, I’ll go for the SD banner, since I do like the characters. I just would’ve liked to see some others, personally. Cain and Abel were my top hopes, even though I didn’t really expect to see them in. And there’s no way I’m paying to get Tharja, so Owain is out. Niles isn’t my favourite Fates character by a long shot, so SD is really the only one I might go for.
Arden is the Tempest Trial Hero. Arya should have been in Sigurds group. I send feedback so we can get a 4 star neutral Arya for our troubles with 20 orbs.
so far only the Fates pack looks worth buying, as much as id Love to get Minerva & Olivia.. tharja & Nirave i couldn’t care less for. if the extra weapons are good enough i might consider the other 2 packs.
i got to say these first 3 packs feel like cheap milking… in a future update Ike, Roy, & Alm should be added to the roster for free. (also this game seriously needs more axes)
if each pack had 5 instead of 3… id add Merric & Maria to ShadowDragon, Kaze & Jacob to Fates, and then Vaike & Kellam to Awakening. i know its just wishful thinking but id love it if those characters were part of it as well~
(i hope the non-playable villains are added free in a future update, Hyrule Warriors did that so i have my fingers crossed)
after i heard about promotion classes i quickly got another idea i hope to see in the game. id love to see more than one equip-moveset to switch between, also non-lord characters have branching promotions 🙂 that would be awesome to implement
(Shiida would be interesting because she could choose between a Lance/sword-Falconknight or a wyvernlord)
The problem with that is that they’ve actually already come out and confirmed that we will not be getting Roy or Ike in any way until a Fire Emblem Warriors 2, should they decide to make that. I’d like Alm, though.
ive been thinking of the personal skill each DLC character might have, im predicting..
F: Azura: probably a defense or support skill, Niles: hmm Movement+? that would be fun, Oboro: kinda stumped.. defence seal or rage related?
SD: Minerva: OH! isoltes shield!?, Navarre: death blow (improved crits), Linde: resist rally?
A: Olivia: Luck+10, Owain: no clue lol, Tharja: vengeance no doubt
(i picture the Rally & Seal skills will buff/weaken ally/enemies in a certain proximity, also only Strength,Magic,Defence,&Resistance stats would make sense)
I won’t deny that the character choices are good, they really are, but this is really coming off as “waifu emblem” big time and the main game was already kind of doing that. Fire Emblem typically does an equal number of both. I am aware of how Koei Tecmo operates, but this is just silly.
Also, seriously have to question the fact that NPCs are DLC. They could have made them part of a free update and then made upgrades for them DLC. And still no knights in a game meant to celebrate the franchise as a whole? I get that they are slow, but they can be made into tanks to compensate.
I don’t understand why people are so cheap. Having Ayra in a second banner would raise chances of getting her rather than slapping her on the Sigurd-Deirdre banner. Remember for each banner you get 1 free summon. Second, that first summon would normally cost 5 orbs but is normally negated from the first time, therefore you would only need to spend 15 orbs instead of 20 if you were trying to get the whole summoning round. And last, if one doesn’t want to summon for the whole round, then only pick out the red ones and reset. It just seems no matter how much times you make something better, you will always make at least one person complain.
Earlier today, I’ve sent out a near-friendly complaint to the developers of Heroes. I’m honestly upset of the turn of events which was seriously a profound move. I’ve also included pointers where new characters should be: included in the same banner with the new set of heroes, a Grand Battle Hero or Tempest Trials reward in the near future. Ayra definitely does not deserve this sort of treatment and I would be torn if one of my favorite characters I want included would end up like that. It’s definitely worth sending feedback so this would not happen ever again.
Don’t worry everyone, the Sacred Stones cards have a unique pattern that nobody even pays attention to, that totally makes up for the fact that they’re not their own color!
In all seriousness, glad to see some info on this set, looking forward to the live stream details, plus holy cow, I want those Eirika sleeves!
Hard to say without knowing your units or which map you’re talking about, but I beat all of them with standard horse. It’s basically arena but with Tempest Trials difficulty, and you can lose units. So playing a few times to get the gimmick down will help. For example, you’ll want to separate the dragons so they don’t get fortified and try to hit them when they aren’t on defense tiles. For the last horse one, it goes without saying that you can’t let any of them activate Wings of Mercy. I’m F2P, so you have a specific query, I can probably think of something you’ll have
My team of Dierdre, Black Knight, Brave Lyn, and P! Azura were able to take out every team, except for the Manakete Squad, which I had to replace Black Knight with Julia to do. Black Knight has the Panic Ploy 2 SS which was very important, especially on the Strike from Afar challenge in which he completely nerfs Cecilia and OTK her.
Maybe I can still get and Ayra with these orbs…nope, just another +res Eldigan…fml.
But these seem to be good seals to get though, hello power creep my old friend. Also, I think a lot of people are over stating just how OP Arden will be, sure he’ll have amazing physical bulk and power making him a major threat to certain teams, but his Res and low mobility means he still needs major support and without it, mages will walk all over him since even with the Deflect Magic sacred seal, combined with a dancer and mages can OTK him.
I don’t like armored units so im just gonna fodder him for his brave sword. I’ll keep his four star at least. Plus I prefer Black Knight as the red armored unit
Fodder the 5 star? hmmm not a bad idea, usually make a +1 with the TT person but I probably wouldn’t use him since the Black Knight is my red armored too, but who to give it to is the biggest question
It was clearly overstated the extent to which we would be getting sacred coins from this. 80 isn’t even enough to max out one of them (Or upgrade two). I’m pretty sure I will no longer be playing this game by the time I can upgrade a handful of them
I don’t think they did, but it was speculated that they would use the trials to compensate a little for needing so many coins to upgrade the seals. I didn’t want that anyway, since orbs are still the most valuable resource to me, but I think people are still wondering what the point of the seal forge is if they aren’t tying it to money somehow and it risks cutting into the other stuff we get (maybe fewer feathers or something)
The initial comment wasn’t very clear, so I’ve tried to edit it a little to reflect that.
Oh GREAT, Seliph is there but he’s not a Bonus, his father Sigurd is, which I can never summon Sigurd! And Julia is the boss for the final map. Just…why?
Hey, Hinoka finally gets to be a focus Unit for the first time in forever! That should make people slightly less frustrated at any rate.
I’m left still hoping for a Halloween Banner, though…ah, well.
I was hoping to get a Minerva so I could get one with a better IV, but no greens in my circle…at least I pulled a Hinoka that I can feed to someone since I already have a perfect IV one
F*** it, I can’t beat this GHB on Infernal mode! It’s bad enough I’ll have to deal with her thieves with Poison Dagger+, now there’s a powerful Green Cavalier?! Unless there’s a way to beat this Goddamn Infernal mode WITHOUT the “Inheritance Skills” bullcrap, COUNT ME THE HELL OUT OF THIS!
inheritance skill is actually quite interesting when you try to sort out skills and whatnot. all the “trash” units that you pull can actually be used as fodder to make your main units stronger. most heroes have an empty slot that isn’t covered in their base kit somewhere that you can fill with just the right skill. i recommend gamepress for builds and skill searching. there are units that have a particular skill maxed out or available at 5 stars, but there are others who have these particular skills already at 4 stars (ex. Hinata having fury3). all the free daily units have a particular skill that is useful for other certain units. heck, IS even gives you a free dancer
Not anymore it doesn’t! Even Olivia wouldn’t help that much, and the Performing Arts Banner never gave me a single Dancer or Singer, and they’ll be gone forever in a few days, that’s one of the reasons why IS keeps trolling me with the weak 3-Star Heroes! Other than that, it’s not fair that none of my powerful units have dagger breaker skills to fight back against the Poison Dagger+ Thieves, but the weaker units do, which is not enough!
no fairness involved. it’s a gatcha game (meaning that it encourages spending) that has gambling as it’s main feature. it’s pure chance on what you draw. it’s up to you on what you wanna spend your orbs and money on. if you wasted your free orbs then you can only resort to cash (check gamepress’s orb pricing guide to see which option gives the most orbs in accordance to the amount that you can spend). try not to get all of a banner’s units. focus on those that you lack or need. i skipped sigurd because i already have brave roy and xander is coming up soon. i skipped performance olivia (tho i did try a bit) and inigo.
i doubt that they’ll be gone forever. they’ll just repost the special banners when their initial release date comes up. main banner heroes will be added to a voting gauntlet banner or a skill specific one
I don’t know why you folks even bother. Just ignore these comments. They don’t contribute anything and I don’t know what you’re expecting to accomplish by engaging
At some point, you’re gonna have to work with the tools you’re given. Skill Inheritance is a game mechanic that everyone can use, and the game’s challenges nowadays are built with that level of power in mind. It’s gonna make your life in this game much easier if you take advantage of it. You don’t even necessarily need really rare skills to get good results. For instance, if you have a 5-star Black Knight or Xander (both of which were available for free at some point), slap Quick Riposte or Daggerbreaker on them (any tier of the skill will do, and I recommend Quick Riposte) and they’ll be able to take out the dagger wielder at the bottom on turn 1 on the counter, no problem.
Well, guess what? A Youtuber named Ventus made his No Skill Inheritance Guidance Video on how to beat Ursula GHB Infernal mode, and his video helped me succeed.
I think they miss a great opportunity to get more people invested in the older characters through these banner. In any case, I hope it’s not another banner full of Awakening/Fates characters
That’s probably the case. I couldn’t really care less about them though, since I’d much rather have the actual characters instead of what’s essentially fan service costumes with stat variations.
Although, maybe they realise that the ones that are more prone to spend money on event banners are fans of the 3DS games, and therefore focus on them.
I mean, I think it’s a poorly kept secret that the 3DS assets sell better, it just seems they’re going to die on that hill rather than attempt to diversify. As for me, I’ll take any alternate character if I prefer the art to the original, but I’m mostly interested because they tend to introduce new mechanics in these banners. For example, I pulled a ton for Summer Corrin and it was NOT because I have any love for the character
Yeah, if there’s good skills you could inherit then it might be worth it in the end. I was considering going for close def Tiki when that was new, but seeing Sigurd having it now as well (a character I actually wanted), it’s just not worth going for it imo. Rather just wait and try for the banners I like and then maybe sacrifice bad IV ones.
But why’d you go for her though lol. The only reason I can think of is that she’s the only blue mage flier. Her skills are not too amazing to warrant spending a ton of orbs on, at least not for me.
(on a side note, since I’m used to referring to most characters by their original names, having two Kamui’s is kinda annoying)
Yeah, you got it: I wanted to be able to throw Blarblade on her, and because I happened to randomly pull Spring Camilla before, I figured I could have a fun flier team if they ever make Hone Fliers more accessible. I tend to prefer pulling for bodies more than just skills, at least until I know I have enough units to get through Arena Assault unscathed consistently. Like, I would’ve been fine with Summer Elise just to have another green mage. Even for characters I really like, I’m hard-pressed to pull for them if they aren’t that good/ are redundant (probably won’t need a red ever again)
Maybe you can go for Hinoka now if you still want to build that team, but yeah I’d rather save my orbs for the characters I’d like, ie pretty much everything that’s not Awakening/Fates. Regarding Arena Assault I consistently placed near the top in the beginning, but the rewards doesn’t really match the efforts. From beating one level you gain about 11 coins, and you gain 22 if you have a few merged units. So I just stopped caring about it since you get them from other sources now as well.
I also got two Eldigan when going for Aira. A joke really.
I was considering Hinoka, but really I might as well go for Nowi, since she has more utility and Hone Fliers anyway. Don’t really like her though, or her art. Flier Emblem was a lot more appealing before Brave Lyn was everywhere, but I’ve already invested a little in it, so I don’t know.
I usually hit 17 coins for a perfect run with no merges, and I’m fine with that. It usually take me a few days, since I restart the streak if I lose a character no matter what, but honestly, I kind of think some maps are just impossible if there’s a dancer or a horse team, so I’m not sure any new units will help with that. If that’s true, then I might just save for Micaiah or something, however long that takes.
Yeah, it really does feel as if they just keep introducing stronger stuff without much regard to what’s already strong. It also makes me being somewhat restricted and uncreative when I build teams for arena (+assault). The only team I ever field nowadays is summoner support counter Sheema (to deal with Reins and also draw in Lyns), ally support Tana (with Sheema, guidance to pivot everyone in, and to deal with strong sword units), Kleine to debuff and chip damage with savage blow to make Sheema capable of doubling most things, and finally the bonus ally (in this case Arvis). That’s it, and it really sucks because I’d like to build new teams, but there’s no point since this one does everything so well (4900+ points rank 20).
I’d like Micaiah as well, or Selena as a new blue mage rider. The only one I have is a Linde that I use as a cleric. I still have my Tiltyu though, but I’m gonna save her for merging for the day I get a better IV one.
Yep, didn’t get her. But it’s like you said before, I also have a ton of reds so having her is a bit redundant, so I was mostly going for her because of bias. That said, I won’t be able to contain myself once Marisa is released. She’s probably my favorite character since like ten years back, so in that case I’d make an exception to spend a lot of money to get her and a few merges.
Well at least you’re using one creative team; I usually just use horse to solve my problems. Though, to that point, nothing against Selena, but I’d prefer a moratorium on new horses, especially mage horses, though I suppose there’s no chance people will use her over Reinhardt but for preference. Micaiah could be blue, I guess.
The only good thing about the meta is it made me build a couple TA+Bowbreaker/TA+Raven tome users out of characters I probably wouldn’t have used otherwise (Sophia, Henry, Boey, Fae), just for Assault.
I’m so anti meta it’s crazy. Camus/Marx are the only pallys I’ve used at all, and I have the free Lyn but I’ve barely used her. I also don’t have a Rein. I just find it more fun to go with unconventional teams in general. I also have a Reflet (tobin pls don’t dis) that I built to counter Lyn, but I have an agenda against awakening characters so it’s not often I use him at all.
So that’s the thing, I would definitely use her over Rein. There’s enough tools available now to deal with teams like that and with two rows of panic ploy for my part all the buffs are definitely welcome.
I’m not really sure what the meta is actually. Like I know the units that are considered top tier, but is arena the meta, is arena assault, etc.? I don’t think I can hit Tier 20 without merges, even if I stopped using the low BST horses, so I just float around 19. For arena, it’s enough for me to just run horses and collect, and it helps for PvE challenges. Assault allows more creativity. I’m building a +ATK/-SPD Tailtiu right now from 4* and she’s exactly the kind of unit that is viable in Assault, with drive speed and rally spd/res for support, and of course blade. It’s also fun to drop Armor on an all-melee team, especially if there are defense tiles involved. So yeah, unconventional is fun, but horses are so easy
Oh man, Tiltyu can be obtained as a 4*? I love you for telling me this. Now I don’t have to wait for as long as I thought I would to get a better IV 5* of her. Just sucks that Aira is 5* locked still.
I’m not completely sure myself, but I think both arena modes go hand in hand as the initial team in assault has to be your strongest team for the maximum amount of points. At least it has to be the most merged. So practically you’d want a team that can deal with pretty much anything for the first battle and I guess that also goes for the normal arena. Especially if you’re like me that goes for the most difficult each time.
I did get a good Sigurd that I might use. Also the two Eldigan from my Aira questing. And I just got an Olwen, too. It was recently brought to my attention that the merged unit also obtains skills that the other unit inherited previously. This means I can actually put life and death on my not-so-blessed Olwen in preparation for one that is +spd without having to lose it in the process. If only I had known that earlier, lol.
Yeah, I mean, someone was going to drop in rarity, and it wasn’t going to be Sigurd, Deirdre, or Ayra. So she’s obviously easier to get as 4*, but I don’t know how much. Even by this point, there are still some 4* units I’ve never gotten, including at least one who was in the game from launch).
I have can probably make one +1 squad (Tharja, Roderick, Linde, some GHB or TT hero), but it probably wouldn’t be too viable for actual arena, and it might not even be enough to make Tier 20. The rewards aren’t too different though, just 1000 feathers or so.
I find the community is a little too obsessed with min/maxing. You probably don’t NEED a +SPD Olwen to have a viable Olwen. Most units are fine with neutral or non-hindering natures (I have a -SPD Lyn and a -SPD Delthea, though, and they’re screwed). My Reinhardt is actually -ATK/+DEF and I can’t recall being frustrated that he couldn’t kill something (some Sigurds maybe, but whatever). Hence the -SPD Tailtiu. I wanted another blue mage and with 32 base, darting blow, and a speed buff, 36-42 is probably fine for the things she’s fighting. She’s not dueling Nino anyway
Another new Banner?! GODDAMMIT! I don’t care if the first summoning is free, stop making me spend Orbs! And you know what?! I’m not falling for that bullcrap!
Is it just me or is the silhouette on the right have a shield? possibly coffin shield? maybe a armoured unit. Meanwhile the one on the left looks like they have a witches hat, maybe a tome unit. Also unlike the other silhouettes in the past, this one doesn’t have any obvious clues that point to it being a certain character it seems/ However the character on the left appears short. Still no Lucina in a Pikachu costume though. ;-;
Yes… The left one looks to be a witch, can looks like she is mounted in a broom. Maybe the flying red tome user we need? Or the broom will be a axe type weapon…
i think if Broom was a weapon it would be a lance. Also if the weapon the witch is wielding is a broom, i actually doubt she a flier(or at least is flying on a broom). However i can see a witch wielding a tome while riding on a broom.
One of Jakob’s basic skills is Wary Fighter. Which can only be inherited by units that belong to a certain movement type and nobody else. This should make it obvious that he is not an infantry unit.
Dang, the game’s first armored armored bow and tome units, plus another flying tome unit. This changes quite a bit…and yet Reinhardt will still be top tier. Oh well.
Wtf, I had a feeling there was gonna be an archer in this banner, and said archer was gonna be my least favorite character in Fates. Anyways, I’m gonna try for Nowi and Henry so I can have a flier and armor team respectively, if I ever wanted to start one.
Both Henry and Jakob are armored ranged units, say hello to all the armor emblems teams. Nowi rounds out the flying mages with the missing red tome user…all that’s left is a flying bow, then there’s Sakura who seems to be the first dagger user designed to be good at offense with that hard anti-mage build.
The big thing to it though is that it deals bonus damage vs all tomes and Sakura also has Warding Stance, as if to say that the dev’s solution to fixing daggers is to make them into an anti-mage archetype. Still though, I’d like for them to do more universal fixes that for all daggers (and staves) but it seems like they don’t want to change any existing assets so the only thing to hope for now are new assets that exclusively benefits daggers (and staves).
NEKO SAKURA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
FRICKING CRAP
…looks like they really want me spending cash on Orbs…and looks like I really can’t escape Colorless hell…first Takumi for Close Counter, then Genny for Wrathful Staff, now this…WHY?!?!?!?!
I feel you, got 2 damn indigo and I as so close to missing out on the lovely Black Azura, but the gods smiled upon me in the last few days, and obviously a unique dancer I can merge is still awesome.
Please let me get that neko imouto. In Naga’s Name!
ditto. I was having no luck for like, 60 orbs, and I relly wanted azura. then suddenly… inigo. I was disapointed, and I almost didn’t summon the second green orb, but I did. lo and behold: azura. now I’m EXTREAMLY happy.
No way, uh-uh, not spending any Orbs on this Halloween Banner, I’m sick and tired of ending up getting the crappy 3-Star Heroes instead of the powerful Focus Heroes!
The chances of me getting anyone from this banner is pretty slim considering I got spooked by 5 stars Sheena and Roderick.
The worst burn was getting spooked by 5 star regular Sakura. It’s like the game knew I wanted neko Sakura the most and abused that knowledge to humiliate me.
I actually got spooked by 5 star Sheena too lol….though not really lol because its the 2nd time she spooked me. Cuz you know, shelling around $31 for for a Sheena is oh so enjoyable….kind of killed my mood for this banner. But after some determination of chain battles, I managed to get a 5star Gray with good IVs so I guess I’m content with this being the first banner I haven’t pulled any focus characters.
Hope the next non-event banner will be an Awakening/Fates one so I can save up more orbs. It’s typical that I’d get a Sakura in my free summon, so I just gave warding stance away instead.
But I’m not summoning on the Halloween banner, so it looks like I’m saving up for whatever is coming mid-month. And with these new wallpaper images… Look, I know we had a PoR banner not long ago, but… Radiant Dawn banner? Please? Micaiah is one of only two FE protagonists from the main-line games who are still not present in Heroes (the other being Leif from Thracia), and really, if it’s Tellius, I kinda really want it.
I have to think we’ll see a Radiant Dawn banner by the end of the year, and i have to think Micaiah will headline it if it comes. And I will be all over it, despite my reservations about Micaiah as a unit
What would she even be in heroes, staff or tome? Lucius was a light tome wielder in….god what was the subtitle….Blazing Sword? but they made him a staff wieldier in heroes.
Healing mechanics don’t really mix too well with the game as it stands right now, and probably won’t ever, so I think it’s something that they at least have limited utility in endurance modes. The problem with making staffs essentially colorless magic is that unless won’t patch out the ill-conceived damage penalty, they risk rendering all previous staff users basically useless. I think there’s a lot they can play with (warp/rescue staff, long-range buffs and debuffs), but I wouldn’t want to see that with Micaiah anyway
I feel like she would essentially be a blue Sanaki. (Which, if you’ve played the game, is appropriate…) Huge Magic, and a possibly even more huge Res stat (that 80% and 90% growth respectively, wow), but kinda slow and physically frail. And I say Blue, because I personally associate that most with Light magic, given the original light tome, Aura, being used by the blue-type Linde. And Red is home to Fire, as well as Dark magic, so I feel that would not be quite as thematically appropriate for Micaiah. Now granted, with Julia and Deirdre’s Naga tomes as green types, I suppose that would also be an option, but Julia and Deirdre, coincidentally, also have a stat spread that’s very close to what I imagine Micky would have, so that leaves my prediction as Blue Tome unit.
I know what happened to Lucius, but I don’t think they’d ever do it to a main character, especially since staves just aren’t that popular… And besides, her signature skill is called ‘Sacrifice’, so we can be almost certain what will fill that Support Slot. She also has a unique tome, but given Heroes’s track record with Rapier-type weapons… well, we’ll just have to see if they decide to give her Thani or not.
You make a good case, especially since we don’t really have a Sanaki or Julia build for blue tomes. I think I was thinking mostly of color scheme, which does seem to be how they’ve chosen colors in the past, but you’ve convinced me. I’d rather you’re right anyway. I think the odds are against them adding Thani, since I recall it being more unique than legendary. Although, my interest in her as a unit will be based on whether she can handle horses, so a buffed Wolf tome that either hits armors too or comes with some additional res protection would be a nice way to go with her. I can’t really think of what her niche would be otherwise, since she was such a mediocre unit in Radiant Dawn for me in every playthrough
Hey Serenes Forest and players of FEH, I would like your help. I want a new feature for the game: A boon and bane identification. Can you help me, sending this recommendation in the game? Here’s my text for you read:
I would like to recomend a feature for the game: A boon and bane identification. In the Pokémon games series, there is boon and bane stats in each Pokémon, but they are noticed with different colors: the boon stat is in red, while the bane stat is in blue. In my opinion, something like this will help players to know what are the boon and banes of each unit.
I don’t disagree on the idea, just adding possible context. While natures in pokemon fit the one stat down one stat up part of boons and banes, I’d say IVs also fit and those are generally less clear. (and runs into the issue of what postgame and level 100 means in FEH) From a Fire emblem standpoint they might represent growth rates (but differing on an added level of individual units rather than just separate characters) and have those ever been displayed in game?
The sticky note with Wrys and the clear files is what I want to see more of. It’s tiring that most things have to revolve around main characters when there’s tons of others to choose from.
This one seems kinda in the air, the Fates characters in this one are not as popular as Camilla so I doubt they’ll have the backing she did. Though the first rounds do seem a bit obvious: Ameila, Hinoka, Takumi, and Ryoma will likely win out, but then the next rounds will probably be close though. But my final round guess will be Amelia v Ryoma.
I know, right? This is one of the first gauntlets IIRC where I honestly can’t guess who might take everything. Your prediction sounds pretty spot on, though. However, Voting Gauntlets have been more and more of a wild card lately with how the bonus time works. Without it, there would have been no way that Camilla beat Lyn in the CYL banner. So really it’s all up in the air for this one.
Yeah, those score multiplier for the losing team can certainly jank things, so it’s very likely that we’ll get an upset, I’m gonna try and side myself with the loosing teams so I can get more feathers from it all. Each time I’m on a winning team, sure I get the 500 for winning, but I’ll only get 900 for my score, while on the loosing team I’ll typically get 1700, it’s all dependent on optimizing that multiplier.
Eh, I think Ryoma is the most likely to be an upset on here – if anyone on this Gauntlet can take down a Fates Royal Round 1, it’s definitely Soren. There are also a lot of us who find Takumi obnoxious, so it’s possible enough of those guys will go Karel and take him out. I’m hoping for a full Karel upset, myself. Also huzzah for Hinoka finally being available again, I guess, though I’m still waiting for Cordelia.
WELP, so much for saving Orbs. I’m going all-in on the girls banner, because I’d be really happy to get eith er Katarina or Amelia. My Hector and Sheena are both -Atk (Sheena is only 4-star, too), so I could definitely do with a better green armour, and Katarina would be my fastest Red Mage, a speedy red mage still being something I lack (and I really don’t want to use Tharja). Been stuck with Sanaki for the longest time, and while Arvis is faster… he’s still not very fast. So yeah, wish me luck.
For what it’s worth, I actually run a -ATK/+RES Sheena with Fortress Defense and Ignis on my Armor Team and I actually don’t have any complaints. She doesn’t die to things she isn’t supposed to and Ignis punches a hole in just about everything. Amelia is probably better, but with my limited orbs, I don’t feel particularly inclined to try to replace Sheena with her. Katerina is pretty good with Blade. Doesn’t always kill Brave Ike, but if you have a Peforming Azura, she’ll pack a punch. Only 34 neutral speed though
That 34 Speed is exactly why I would personally not run Blade on her and keep the Owl Tome that she starts with. I know it’s somewhat situational, but the Owl Tome does provide valuable points in Speed, allowing the unit to reach Speed tiers they otherwise couldn’t, and I think that’s particularly valuable for a unit who at base has just above average speed, like Katarina. I think Blade Tomes are best suited for units that can benefit from a movement-type buff or units that are just really fast to begin with like the +Spd Nino I have.
Yeah that’s fair. I think it depends on what you’re trying to accomplish (and also probably what level you’re playing at). I mostly bring her in for Arena Assault mostly to kill Brave Ike or tank green mages, and I find given the respective speed tiers of that group means that I can go for damage instead. Besides, 41-42 speed with buffs and Swift Sparrow works for me, as she can also kill some bulky reds. Plus, I just really like her, but the speed does throw some people off
I’ve been told a few times that due to Wrys’ meme status in Japan (and nowadays the US too, I guess) he’s one of the few non-main characters to receive merchandise, but I’ve never actually seen any real evidence of that. Until now, that is. It feels sorta surreal somehow…
Stylish hair cut? Def not Ryouma, Goku wore it better in super saiyan 3. Ryouma cant even make his hair golden
and hello colorless hell my old friend, I’ve come to try and get Takumi again….
Soren first Ameilia second personally also first 5 star from a free summon so that was kinda nice would have preferred a Takumi (5 colorless orbs what the hell?) but another Amelia is welcome
Anyone else find it weird that whoever picked this merch seems to only like the Fates brothers, Chrom, and Lyn? Lol
No Fates sisters or even Lucina
Anyways I think Camilla could’ve made a cool acrylic with the wyvern.. so I’m sad she didnt get one.
Oh yeah, by the way, Soren is absolutely getting my support. Granted, I doubt he’ll survive his battle with Ryoma, but so be it. I like Soren a lot as a character and hey, it’s feather-efficient.
I’ll be backing Soren also, he is easily in my top 5 favorite Fire Emblem characters. He does have a miniscule chance of winning that pretty much solely relies on other people being more popular than Ryoma however even if Soren does win round one, I don’t see a foreseeable way for him to beat Takumi. Note this is realistically looking at it, I’m not even gonna try to guess how the bonuses are going to affect the score, because those cause some janky wins.
finally got all the orbs. did a few stupid SI that i should’t have done by mimicking other heroes on youtube. alfonse sure does suck when you try to use him on the lunatic map. he’s completely useless in that regard
I saw a YT video where someone managed to clear Lunatic with 3* Askr siblings plus 4* Nino and (weaponless) Olivia. Was quite surprised to see Alfonse even kill one of the units on the map…was very proud of him! 😛
Congrats! Yeah, seasonal Sakura is pretty much the only must-have unit for me. But I screwed up and blew my Orbs on Performing Arts, so I have to scrape by with whatever I can muster.
I thought the new characters were super lame before, but they’ve really grown on me after playing, Lianna especially. These new outfits actually look pretty cool honestly.
im really hoping Promoted units can gain the ability to have 2nd equips up to silver-grade (also hold up to 4 item slots, perhaps switching weapons & staff/items in the map menu)
one thing the roster needs more of is variety, not just weapon users but classes too. armor units may be sluggish on map but they’d be fun to tank everything with brute force~
Now we know what are the Broken-Armor Models in the DLC. 13 Broken-Armor Models in the Fates DLC Pack, 9 in the Shadow Dragon Pack, and 9 in the Awakening Pack, for a total of 32 Broken-Armor Models. And if you consider M!Robin and F!Robin as one character, and same for Corrin, each character will have one Broken-Armor Models.
I think that might be different actually. I’m just guessing though. The broken-armour models might literally be characters with their armour, but broken in parts. Whereas Armour Break causes all of the armour to disappear. In other words, the broken-armour models could be halfway between.
Since the broken-armour costumes are paid DLC, while Armour Break looks to be a part of the free DLC.
But the Armour Break can be only activate after the character get attacked by a enemy, right? Maybe with the DLC Broken-Armor Models you can use the Armour Break costume full time but without the penalities (until get attacked by a armour break weapon).
Its clear after this update, that the Broken Armor Models are for this feature. You will have to unlock them to use them through the new DLC History Mode maps for each character. Just like Hyrule Warriors.
we need more husbandos, especially more bara (my excuse to ask for ike, Hector, ect)
also i seriously want a GBA pack adding bunch of characters & stuff from those 3 games, also i want a variety of different monster enemies + we need more giant bosses than just the chaos dragon :/ (demon king, reborn Medeus, doma, & arkanos would be good choices)
More giant baddies would be dope. Also, seeing that each game in this first wave of DLC is coming with 3 characters a piece, what are the 3 characters you’d want to see from each FEGBA game (excluding playable villains, since that’s not a thing yet, but it needs to be)? For me it would be: Sue, Lilina, and Fa for FE6; Jaffar, Nino, and Hector for FE7; Tethys, Ephraim, and Cormag for FE8.
actually the 2nd wave of DLC should honestly should have more content (simply because the 1st wave was extending sagas already ingame) it would NEED to be more characters than just 3.. (hell i even want a new stage each pack but that could too much on data storage)
packs im hopping for would at least be Blazing/binding, Gidan, Sacred Stones, & Radiant.
you guys should definitely go for elincia and delthea if you’ve missed them. pass on klein cause he’s available at 4 stars (he already has deathblow3 at that rarity)
I am very impressed with how well the arts for the Marcia, Astrid, and Fiona cards incredibly capture the scenes when you recruit these characters. Marcia on a pirate boat and you clearly see the faces of Havetti, the boss, and one of the other bandits. Astrid on a boat as well. And finally Fiona with the 2 civilians in the background demonstrating she’s fighting for her people. Every time they announce new arts, they are just incredible. The FE8 cards look great too. The ross one is just funny.
Was hoping to pull for Delthea, whom I don’t have. Was sad to go for my free summon and see zero blue orbs. Pulled colourless and got a Brave Lyn (+HP/-Spd) so I guess I shoudn’t complain! I already have a +Atk one, so I’ll probably merge…unless I can find a good candidate for Swift Sparrow.
I feel like the brave heroes are a likely bet for series 13. We could also get some other seasonal heroes I guess, or maybe just popular characters in the game, like Reinhardt. I mean, he makes a much larger impact in heroes than he does in Thracia.
Really, really good banner. Klein is solid in his own right, even if he’s outclassed (and he’s really low-commitment, too), and Elincia and Delthea are both fantastic units. I REALLY want to pull for Elincia again, since I didn’t have any luck on the original banner for her.
BUT, I must restrain myself, because we’ll have another new-unit banner very soon, and I don’t want to risk regretting having spent my orbs when it hits. Besides, this banner will still go a little while, so I shouldn’t feel rushed to summon from it immediately.
for those of you having trouble using alphonse and shareena to defeat cecilia and lillina, you can do the binding blade chain challange on lunatic. you don’t have to even clear it. plus, the units in those map don’t really have that many skills from SI
Expansion to friend list content, and a way to change a hero’s IVs to a limited degree; those are the 2 points I want most addressed. I’d also like for them to make 3/4* heroes out of some of the 5* exclusives that currently exist. Too many of the new heroes stay as 5* exclusives making the 3/4* pool increasingly barren. These are just some of the hopes I have.
It’s particularly annoying since if you were to look at every banner that contained new characters that stayed permanently (which means none of the seasonal ones), there were a total of 61 heroes brought in this way, and only 25 stayed as a 4* obtainable. Which things were handled nicely in the beginning as the pattern was that only half stayed as 5* exclusives, but changed to keeping all but 1 5* starting with the Alm’s and Celica’s Army banners.
You bet I’m curious! What I’m most interested in is seeing what new feature(s) may be coming up for the game. …Perhaps we’ll finally see the introduction for Laguz/other Beast units? Maybe? Probably not yet, tbh, but I can dream…
Hm… probably they will announce a new Grand Hero Battle and Hero Fest 3! Maybe the next Voting Gauntlet will be Halloween Vs Christmas, similar to Ylissean Summer Vs Nohrian Summer Voting Gauntlet.
No, I don’t care what will happen next, I am DONE with this game! And you know why?! Because in the Short-Haired Ladies vs. Long-Haired Gents Voting Gauntlet, I lost 3 Voting Gauntlet matches in a row! The multiplier screwed things over, and the character that I voted ended up with lower scores than the enemy’s scores! So…I QUIT! I DELETED THIS APP!
Were the quest descriptions gotten directly from the game? Because there is a typo with the last four saying “10 defeat enemies” instead of “defeat 10 enemies”.
they weren’t kidding when they promised to patch up healers and such. though they didn’t fix the summoning pool, a 8% chance with no % on non focus units. this looks like what hero fest was supposed to be. i’m guessing it’s 3 separate banners. upgrading killing weapons and older legendary weapons into their newer variants is quite nice
Considering my hard luck at getting halloween banner up to 5* with hardly anything to show for it, this 8% could be all kinds of nice…or just a hope crusher >.>
The weapon refinery helps lessen the power creep that has been happening. It’ll only be concerning if already OP weapons get this, but judging from what is said, OP weapons like Dire Thunder don’t seem to have this privilege…or at least hopefully none of the additional skill privileges.
Dorcas looks weird, he’s such a glaringly different art style from everyone else. I actually hate the art on most of the fighter/warrior class characters…
Of course, part of that is achieved, because there’s no off-banner 5-star units, so the odds of pulling a banner unit is no higher than that of pulling off a Hero Fest, if I’m not mistaken. And with so many units on that single banner, there’s a good chance you may get your pity rate broken by a unit you weren’t looking for.
The staff boosts and barracks expansion were sorely needed, but the new heroes just seem like more power creep, and they didn’t do anything about the tremendous rarity imbalance. I’ll reserve judgment on the new story and weapon refinery, I guess
So I had to shell out over $800 on car repairs. So I vowed to not spend money on these games (since I play more than Heroes) unless its extreme circumstances (like guaranteed 5 stars like FGO does during new years). So pulling a -hp +res Lute with my free pull made me happy. With Fury, girl reaches 40 res.
It’s not worded great, but the narrator was still talking about “what’s coming with the next update”, which they’ve also stated will come later this month. When that update hits, it will add book 2, with 2 chapters right from the get-go.
They didn’t fix the 5* Pool, but my goodness was this the best 18 minutes I’ve spent in a long time. This was amazing and Heroes looks set to have an amazing November. I can’t wait for the buffs, forging and Book 2! (Here’s hoping Sieglinde gets specialised upgrades too!)
By the time the next banner rolls out, I may actually have over 300 F2P orbs built up. I may just get lucky enough to take my +2 Ike to +10! And now everyone who waited for Ayra will be rewarded for their patience. I was very pleased with this Feh channel.
I indeed wish I’d have waited for her. Unfortunately I don’t have that aforementioned patience, so I ended up with two Eldigan instead. : If I’m lucky I may just get one copy of her at least.
Hope you’ll get your Ike merges. I have one sitting at level 1 that I’d gladly trade away, lol.
No Lute, but did somehow get four Gwendolyns in 10 blue orbs, which follows nicely from the six Virions I pulled on 12 colorless before that…starting to think all 4* aren’t created equally…
Pulled a free Dorcas, was prepared to drop 50 orbs initially for that Infantry Pulse fodder but was very lucky! -Atk , so perfect fodder. Best of luck for everyone else! Love to see all these old characters get some love!
Holy cow, this is insane! Finally getting Joshua, for free no less(let’s be real, Tempest Trials heroes are practically free), a fancy new lance user, also for free, a way for me to make Our Boi’s™ Binding Blade actually useful, a Legendary Summoning event to allow me another shot at Cordelia, Spring Camilla, and…WAIT IS THAT SPRING XANDER?! NO! WHY?! GET HIM AWAY FROM ME! I DON’T NEED MORE SPRING XANDER HE’S USELESS!!!
…and being the ingrate I am, I’m still crying in the corner about the lack of the Eight Legends…
I got 2 Mia’s, a Tana, and a Sonya >.> I did want Mia the most and I did get a +atk -hp on one of them but I wanted a Dorcas for when they (hopefully) finally release Jill that way I would have the choice between weapon and A skill to give her counterattacks depending on which of hers is better
Unfortunately Dorcas cannot pass his Tomahawk, I have already tested this myself. I too am desperately anticipating Jill though! I have a Camilla just waiting to sacrifice her Brave Axe+ (not a fan of Camilla anyway though). Congrats on the Mias and Tana!
Of course it cant be passed on arrrrgh. Well I just got to hope Jill’s A isn’t that great then I guess. And with Dorcas getting the Tomahawk that means Jill is probably going to be a poleax, in my head it was one or the other since her Dad dropped the only 1 of 2 Tomahawks you can get in PoR and after Titania she would be most likely to have a poleax. As for Brave axe I would have to see her speed first if its too low I probably won’t personally but she is pretty speedy in PoR and in RD especially.
From the cutscene, I was thinking Loki was a spear user… but from the artwork she looks to be a staff user. But if Loki is a staff user, she will probably be very strong, with her exclusive staff having Wrathful Staff or something else.
I want to know what side Bruno will be in this war…
… is it just me or does Feh sound like a character from Dangan Ronpa??
anyway though this is exciting, things are gonna get crazy with weapon forges. And Im glad about the expanded barracks. Im really glad this game isnt becoming pay to win, no fan favorites locked behind 200+ dollars and you dont even need to spend a dime on this game to begin with
If we’re going off of strictly design, Laevateinn is top tier waifu material. I’m a huge sucker for characters with dark skin and light hair, probably why I was so drawn to Rinkah in Fates.
Also it seems Loki is most likely a lance unit, she is fighting against Sherena while Laevateinn, a sword user, fought against Alphonse. Also, Sutr looks to be an axe user which would round out the 3 main weapon types for the fire kingdom.
Wow Loki looks so awful, Im so fucking tired of female characters being given perverted designs and art. I guess she is a trickster or something like that so hey being almost naked is distracting to the enemy but good lord I think she’s the worst case of pervert pandering in this game series and thats saying A LOT. At least the other two girls look good, even if missing pants -_-
You know, I completely agree with you. Even Fjorm has that ridiculous short skirt. At least Laevateinn has shorts, or some kind of one piece thing. I can actually buy, relatively speaking, that she could fight in that. That’s the thing for me, I don’t need the women to be in full armor like the men, though frankly I prefer it, but there should at least be the pretense that they are actually fighting in their outfits.
…You do realize you’re not actually making yourself look any more mature than them, right?
Just agree to disagree, there’s no need to go getting after them for having a different opinion, even if they may have worded it poorly. Nick does actually have a point, there is quite an awful lot of pandering for a strategy game, and while it doesn’t bother everyone it does bother some people for various reasons – how am I supposed to recommend this to people I know who are younger players, for example? They don’t need to see someone with less of a top than Camilla(good heavens, I never thought I’d see such a character in Fire Emblem) and please don’t just say ‘well don’t play the game then’ because that’s missing the point.
“Agree to Disagree” doesn’t exist in toxic fandoms. It’s always “I’m right and they’re wrong.”
That mentality’s why comments like MetalGear Lamia’s exist. Some people just feel threatened when something they like get’s bashed by someone else, and feel like they need to aggressively defend it. Poorly in this case.
>Person gets criticized for being immature while defending something
>New account comes out of nowhere to defend thing being criticized
>Newly created Disqus account
>”Joined November 16 2017″
>Only activity is a single comment
>That comment is the one just created
Oh wow you totally aren’t a sock-puppet account at all. This is usual levels of pathetic but I’m still shocked.
…I’m not sure I understand your statement. Saying a ‘sexy’ character does not harm anyone is almost pure speculation. It harms my reputation to recommend a game with a character like Loki to anyone under the age of at least 16, I’d say under 18 to be safe because people then think I think that it’s ok for game devs to throw characters like that around. There’s a reason I don’t loudly proclaim my appreciation of games like GoddessKiss or Conception 2, and that’s because the image of myself that people see when I say I enjoy those games is often that I am someone who plays games for ‘plot’ not actual plot or gameplay value.
Good Lord. Using the dreaded “Elitist” buzzword in your other response was already bad enough but if you’re reaction to other people’s opinions is to go “oh boo hoo other people like it stop complaining” then you probably don’t know how to handle other people’s opinions yourself.
Look I get it, the booby lady makes you feel all weird down there, it’s part of growing up. The thing is though not everyone is going to be on board with this, whether it be because the sultry “fanservice” archetype bugs them or because character designs with lots of sex appeal don’t do anything form them or feels forced to them.
Either way reacting to an opposing opinion with “ur just a crybaby who can’t handle what other people like” is childish and hypocritical, behavior like that is why the FE community is so toxic.
But sure, just be an asshole I guess. That works too.
Nice unprovoked personal attack you’ve got there. Ironic that you should accuse someone of elitism while at the same time scoffing at them for having an opinion on something.
To the point, though, I do echo Nick’s sentiment. I’ve enjoyed Fire Emblem and RPG’s in general for long enough to be largely familiar with and used to these kinds of designs, where these are quite common. At the same time, I think, in terms of sexualization, that Loki’s design goes farther than it needed and should have gone. It’s so in-your-face that it’s just more bothersome to me than anything. Now, granted, SOMETIMES a character’s personality or backstory can justify such a design (i.e. Charlotte in Fates is a pretty good example of this, because the way she dresses is literally a means to an end), and perhaps we’ll see that kind of justification somewhere down the line, but as it stands right now, Loki’s design seems just unnecessary, and to me, that’s a bother.
This type of character archetype is extremely common in Fire Emblem as well as media in general, and I’ve no issue with it. *shrug* A sultry, female villain with revealing clothing who utilizes her appeal to obtain her goals–it’s an archetype as old as human civilization. It didn’t even begin with Camilla either, contrary to popular belief. I’d say Sonia from Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword is the earliest that this archetype was used, but I don’t remember anyone complaining about her. 😐
I think you’re being unfair, to be honest. One design, one case of pandering, and you’re up in arms.
Personally, I’m more unhappy about Surtr. He looks generic as all hell, with no depth in sight.
But hey, it’s a fantasy. We got teenage girls in skirts firing ice beams into fireballs. Enjoy.
That the archetype exists, in Fire Emblem or otherwise, is not really a defense of its merits. Furthermore, the difference between a character like Camilla and a character like Sonia (or consider Nuibaba vs. Sonya in Echoes) should be apparent. There is clearly more depth in the latter foils than the former. Sonia is actually a more clever subversion of the archetype because she’s not human. I feel it’s also disingenuous to say that he’s complaining about “one case” especially when you suggest that it’s a commonly used trope within the series.
But that aside, I share your concerns about Surtr and think they are just another side of the same coin. Generic evil big bad is yet another lazy archetype, and one that I think Fire Emblem has deftly avoided at times, and succumbed to at times.
Fire Emblem has traditionally not been the kind of game with girls in short skirts firing ice beams, and I think that will put off a number of fans who enjoy the series for different reasons. There is a large degree to which these preferences can coexist, but it’s true that there will always be tension between them. I get that people didn’t appreciate Nick’s word choice and general tone, but let’s not pretend that his position isn’t valid and reasonable.
Not Sonya, but Sonia. I know, slightly confusing, but the former is from Shadows of Valentia, and the latter is from Blazing Blade (or FE7, if you will). Sonia is not human, because she’s a morph.
Eh, it’s not necessarily ‘one case’ for all we know. We don’t know how often he’s had to see this kind of design used, and not necessarily just in Fire Emblem. I’m also a bit tired of seeing this kind of thing.
I would also like to point out that Sonia at least had a full shirt.
There’s sultry, sexy character art, and then there is grotesquely sexualised design that is physics-defying to the point of being repulsive. I find this simply to be bad design in terrible taste.
It’s a “sexy” archetype that gets attention, I’m no fan of the design either but since IntSys is concerned with raking in money (which is understandable) I see why they went with it.
Not gonna be surprised if her personality mirrors Camilla’s too. I know people like this sort of thing but I think it’s a tad unnecessary and forced too.
A lot of people like her design for many reasons, some been story/deisgn fitting the char design been loki it self (talking about Loki Duh), people are just not going to spam 3+ comments to rage how one char has made there feelings hurt. And looking at ur other comments I feel your only reason to hate this char is using school yard insults. Also funny you get upset over one char with big books, yet the two others look like Loli’s… Irony is strong mate!
Come now, let’s not be unfair. They have expressed in both their comments why people might not appreciate the archetype (unnecessary, forced, doesn’t resonate, etc.) that aren’t distilled down to “school yard insults”, though admittedly there were a few of those as well. Furthermore, maybe, I’m not understanding the “loli” archetype, but I’m not understanding how Fjorm and Laevateinn would qualify. It’s irrelevant regardless because no one in this thread had expressed any feelings for or against those characters (I don’t mind their design, but they still have to prove they aren’t boring). People are suspicious of Loki’s character design; that’s not cause to get bent out of shape at them
When some one says “Look I get it, the booby lady makes you feel all weird down there” I find that to be school level insults, I can understand people been suspicious of said design but going by the name Loki and remembering Norse lore, Loki is the kind of person to have a body they would be happy to use to gain power or things they want. Fitting the char well, if that’s not the chase here then yes there is room to be upset, but all we have seen is a video for 2 mins.
Rather then jumping the gun and going all rage on anyone liking it, maybe wait and see what this char has to offer.
To be clear, I acknowledge in each of my comments the types of inflammatory remarks you mention, and have refrained from making them myself.
Nevertheless, I still find the “wait and see” claim disingenuous. If that were true, it would prevent anyone from liking or disliking anything immediately, and the appropriate response to the initial comments would have been “I understand how it looks, but let’s wait and see. At least there’s some mythological precedent”. Of course, by and large, these are not the comments we’ve seen. No one has to qualify that their opinion is their opinion at some given moment and that it is subject to change when presented with additional information, or that their opinion is qualified by conditions that seem true but may not be; this is all implied when expressing an opinion. I might use Charlotte as an example: by all appearances, she absolutely fits the archetype in discussion, but initial impressions would not turn out to be accurate in her case, and I see little conflict or misunderstanding regarding interpretations of her character.
Thank you for clearing that up. It’s like people can’t be bothered to read the full comment anymore.
I went ahead and deleted my responses to Espiritu since they’re unnecessary now, I doubt they need this explained to them THREE times. Two should be plenty.
And just so you know I wasn’t “going all rage on anyone like it”. My response earlier was to a person going rage on people who didn’t like it, and calling them out for it. Poor, childish arguments like that and like THIS are why the community is so damn toxic, and you ignoring half of what I said in an attempt to just call me a rager is just more evidence of it.
Whether or not we wait and see what the character has to offer does not change the fact that it looks like she started getting dressed in the morning, decided screw it halfway through and just walked out the door with her clothes hanging off her – You can literally see at least 75% of her right buttock in her design sketch, and they only sort of covered it up with her little dress thing, and it looks like her top was supposed to have a zipper but she decided that was too much effort. If someone went around like that in everyday life, would we just shrug and say well, let’s wait and see what she has to offer? I don’t know about you guys, but I would be rather uncomfortable seeing that someone in your average grocery store.
Also, I am someone who commonly plays games with younger cousins around and watching, none of whom are older than 15(some going as young as 7 or 8) and all of whom have mothers and fathers who aren’t interested in their children being exposed to that any more than absolutely necessary. As the 20-year-old older, more mature cousin, I’d like my aunts and uncles to see me as a trustworthy person to watch their children, and if it comes out I recommended a game with such a character as Loki, hopefully you can see the issues my relatives would have with that. I have to look at games and shows through the lens of someone who spends lots of time around children, and consequently need to think of how their parents would react to walking in and finding their son or daughter playing said game or watching said show. Because of that, I can’t always afford to ‘wait and see’ especially with mobile games like Heroes, where I have no control over whether my cousins play and need to let my aunt know that her not-yet-teenage sons will undoubtedly run into Loki within the next month or two.
So me criticizing someone for being immature over people not liking a character with excessive fanservice is apparently me just “getting upset”. Okay.
Like Sisyphe explained I’ve already stated there are reasons why this kind of design has certain people displeased. Not “upset”, as you put it. Nobody is upset over this. The closest thing we have to an upset remark is the person I just addressed being all “shut up elitist lol” over people who aren’t on board with it, oh but of course we’re not even going to acknowledge that happened right?
My reason to hate this isn’t “schoolyard insults”, but the fact that it’s excessive and chances are her personality won’t even justify it like Charlotte’s did, I’ll be genuinely surprised if she isn’t a Camilla clone.
I won’t even question whether or not you actually READ the comment, the fact that people needed to explain this to you should solve that little mystery.
As much as I dislike the sexualized fem characters dressed in too revealing clothes and I agree that Loki might’ve got the worst and least logical outfit of them all, somehow she’s the one who captivated me the most of the new cast. Her expression in the cinematics is somehow speaking for her, just by that and her previous appearance in the game I hope she might be a sly, intelligent woman whose encounters will be very interesting. If I’m right, I’ll be able to ignore her terrible outfit. I will never be able to accept Camilla, for example, because her personality (and self expressing) is a disaster as well as her outfit.
On the Contrary, Fjorn seems incredibly dull, like an empty shell. I mean, empty expressions on a generic pretty face… I find her the most boring of the new cast.
Its funny but Japan see’s things like this and they don’t even bat an eye. Western audiences see this and all they do is bitch that another female character is showing some cleavage.
Its funny how backwards the West is. No one gives a crap when video games/movies/anime show some gruesome violent scenes but when a sexy woman shows a bit too much skin then thats a big NO!
There’s a whole lot of nuance in this thread that it seems like you chose not to engage with. We discussed the difference between characters like Loki and characters like Charlotte/Sonia/Sonya, we talked about design impressions and stereotypes for Sutr and Fjorm, one person made a point about how these games make people look and how they affect children (which we might charitable assume applies to gratuitous violence as well), there were comments on realism and the suspension of disbelief, and so on.
It is generally considered good faith to take the most charitable interpretation of a position you disagree with when commenting on it, and it does not look like this was done here. Instead, I see baffling claims about the West being backward relative to Japan, a unsubstantiated one about people’s feelings toward violence, and even a couple straw men (the aforementioned violence thing and the claim that it’s just about a character showing skin/cleavage, full stop).
This isn’t really an argument, rather it’s mostly people commiserating on their preferences, so given that, what did you expect to contribute with your comment?
For some reason… Sutr just reminds me of Demise from Skyward Sword and has some Ganondorf inspirations, too. That’s kind of how I see this new main antagonist. And I like him already.
In Norse mythology, Loki is a shapeshifter who appears as a woman on multiple occasions — notably, Loki is the mother of Sleipnir, Odin’s horse. I’m actually pretty pleased to see FEH’s Loki is presented as a woman since I don’t see a lot of media that touches on this aspect of him.
On one end, I feel somewhat surprised by this, but on the other hand, since she has so far spent most of her time disguised as Anna, that may have been to be expected, in hindsight.
No, I thought everyone would recognize it – it’s Legends of CHIMA inspiration, clearly they were drawing off of CHIMA’s last season, where the good guys were fire and the bad guys ice, but they swapped them for Heroes to not arouse suspicion… XD
Another Banner with Takumi and Hinoka…o…k…? Well, thanks for the free summon that turned out to be a wasted 3*. But at least the challenge gives free orbs, and it’s not a very difficult one at that, I managed Inferno on my 3rd try.
Out of curiosity, do you mind sharing some clarification for why you say that? Your statement looks a bit like you want someone to pick a fight with you if taken without any context.
To be honest, I’m not even part of the “fandom” (though I’m a huge fan of the series) and the impression that even I get is that the community was once very toxic, and that there is some lingering resentment.
My limited understanding is that the relative lack of success of Tellius that led to the pivot to Awakening brought in newer fans who have fought with older fans who don’t like what Awakening (doubled down in Fates) did to the series. Honestly, more than a little of that informs the tension about the art and outfits of the Heroes characters we’re seeing in this comment section. And the tension is fair, to be honest. The traditional players (whose views I largely skew toward) see a fight for the future of the series and each side’s preferences are somewhat mutually exclusive. The traditional fans were kind of mean and led the newer fans to respond with trolling, and here we are.
That’s basically what’s happening. I wouldn’t describe myself as a veteran since I also joined the series with Awakening but I’m well aware of what traditional players are worried about when it comes to the newer titles and I’ve seen the word “elitist” tossed around to deflect criticism far too many times. As if the people lording themselves over other fans for liking better selling games (as if better sales equal the better game) aren’t being the very definition of elitist themselves. The toxicity is still in the air, I’ve heard of people getting doxxed on twitter for just LIKING Camilla because “hurr she’s bad because boobs durr” and I’ve seen people completely dismiss any complaints about excessive fanservice and shit tier story telling with “It’s better because it sold more elitist stop complaining”.
You don’t see it here often (until MetalGear Lamia showed up) but it’s bad, ESPECIALLY in Youtube comments.
Though to be fair, that comment section is always a cesspool.
That is not really it hell radiant dawn went over like a bomb more that what was a community of mostly well reasoned SRPG fans got pulled full on into the waifu wars fast and hard and it not all bad but it was fast.
Michalis skill for Tana, yes. Berkut for horse emblem (I’ve got 3 Hectors). Might skip the Fates children banner unless it has Soleil or any of the furries. A lot of orbs as well. Christmas is coming guys and gals!
So it looks like we won’t get Micaiah this year after all. That’s disappointing, but if the only new banner to look forward is the Fates kids, then I’m going to be rolling in orbs for the New Year
I’m hopeful that Children of Fates will have Shigure but maybe not since we just got an alternate of him in Performing Arts. Still that banner has the potential to be neat, I’m just a bit salty that I have to wait through more than half of December for Santa Robin. My poor Spring Chrom has been waiting long enough as it is.
New Heroes…probably won’t have Velouria or Caeldori. Pass.
Fjorm. I need not say more.
Tempest Trials, featuring Joshua, that’s good.
Voting Gauntlet…”Enduring Love”? Why did I just feel a sudden chill, the kind where it feels like the entire fandom is breathing down your back?
Michalis returns, excellent, I need Iote’s Shield for Palla/Camilla and need a Michalis for himself as well. Berkut…meh. I already got him and his SI isn’t super.
Bound Hero Battle and “Dev say thanks!” maps. More Orbs to use on things, always welcome.
Everything else, I’ll never say no to! Looks like they plan to send the year out with a bang, and then we’ll have the 1-year anniversary soon after – should be really exciting!
Fates children would be interesting if I actually knew who they were. Awakening and Fates bored me to hell with that mandatory shipping aspect to get the characters, so I just never recruited them. Think Kinu was the only one I bothered with. Doesn’t look like I’m missing out on much anyway.
For anyone who doesn’t have a promoted Michalis yet, keep in mind, Hauteclere is gonna get the option to be upgraded with the coming update, so make sure to keep at least a copy of him around. Who knows how substantial the upgrade will be? It might be worthwhile…
And regardless, I think Michalis is a pretty solid unit overall to begin with. Not amazing, but good at what he does.
Could be random chance, or if there is some logic behind it, I would cautiously guess that it’s because when you combine the votes for PoR Ike and RD Ike in the CYL event, Ike got the most votes of all, even more than Lyn, and this is the devs recognizing that fact. But again, still just a guess.
And I assume, as this has been the trend for a while now, that they wanted to at least keep all the banner units as the 40% bonuses, and the TT reward unit as a 20% bonus, so one of the original CYL units had to be made into 40%, and they ultimately chose Ike.
And Ike is the winner of the male side of CYL. It doesn’t make any sense in why you’d assume Lyn should be the 40% or the fact that gender has any role in deciding the bonus unit. The reason why Ike is one of the 40% units is probably because he’s the boss of this TT.
See, this is another reason why I didn’t understand people freaking out Ayra. Pretty much everybody comes back around eventually. I really hope to complete this set, but with Lute, Elincia, and Delthea still in play, I probably only have the orbs for one of them
They’re starting to learn. Throwing out this banner before the upcoming Legendary Hero Summoning Event. They’re gonna suck every last orb they can.
Bear in mind that Brave Lyn also drops from the Legendary Hero Summoning Event! So if you decide to roll, I might recommend focus on getting Lucina, Ike, and/or Roy instead.
People joke “bait” every banner… But this is actually a bait banner, ’cause we know what’s coming next. Though I guess in that sense, at least they’re honest about it.
Still, this is not a bad banner in its own right. Wo Dao and Slaying Lance, Res Ploy and Wrath are all quite useful skills, and Nephenee and Sonya are both quite decent units as well. Karel… yeah, mostly fodder, I think…
Isn’t that the definition of bait though? We KNOW a better banner is coming in a few days, but now we get the best chance we’ve ever had at Nephenee (blocked by Oscar last time) and Karel (his first time as the only red when he is also in the regular 5 star pool). Granted legendary heroes may not be for everyone, but it is clear IS is trying to give us bait/options to see if they can get more money. It’s a really smart move against the weaker-willed players.
I would not say “better.” It is the same percentage as hero fest, but without random 5 stars. You still are not guarenteed, let’s say a hector, because there are also 2 other units that share the same color.
This is a good banner. I only do not have Sonya from the focus units. Nephenee is amazing, and Karel is… well… you know…. But sorry new banner, my orbs already have another destiny.
Its a shame that his main weapon doesn’t give him distant counter. Alfonse actually works better as a Brave Sword user. And I wonder if Close/Distant Counter will ever be made as a Sacred Seal?
Hmm, Fjorm being an original character but also being in a banner makes me wonder if maybe similar upcoming banners will features Alfonse, Sharena or Anna.
That’s my thought. They teased she will appear in the end of December, so maybe will be a 4-heroes banner: Fjorm, Alfonse, Sharena and Anna?
Also, you can not send home the original characters… can this happen to Fjorm too?
Fjorm being able to obtain multiple of clearly means that they likely made her be able to be sent home or offered up in some way. And merged too. However, the original three aren’t the same way. Reason being is that they are coded to not be able to be offered up in anyway.
They can change it if it doesn’t support it. I expect the Fjorm you obtain from story mode won’t be able to be sent home, just like the original three.
Obviously it’s early, but it looks to me right now that Ice Mirror is going to be unnecessary. 30% isn’t a huge reduction, so I’m not sure if it will grant her additional kills, while she might need that 50% from Aegis to survive some encounters (almost certainly Reinhardt). Though, I’m not sure I fully understand how Ice Mirror triggers
it’s basically Sacred Cowl with a better version of Vengeance. 30% of the damage she takes against tomes, bows, daggers and staves is blocked and then, Fjorm adds the damage she took to the damage that she will deal. And I agree with you on Reinhardt, even more so when you consider that Lancebreaker is a common B skill for him.
It’s not just the damage she takes after the reduction, its all the damage she would have taken WITH the reduction added to her counterattack if it triggers. Let’s also not forget Shield Pulse reduces damage by 5 on top of having lower cooldown on shield specials.
so lets say Fjorm was gonna take 14 damage, Ice Mirror triggers and the damage is reduced by 4, plus the 5 from Shield Pulse. That’s 9 damage reduced, so Fjorm takes only 5 damage and adds those 9 damage to her next attack.
Granted, Reinhard probably still kills her unless you have Deflect Magic and buffs but Ice Mirror ain’t that bad me thinks
It’s not that it’s bad. It’s just that for me, Fjorm’s worth is pretty much based on which matchups I can call her in on in Arena Assault, and unfortunately for all involved, I see more Reinhardt and Brave Lyn than anybody else, so I look at new characters pretty much in terms of whether they can contribute to that matchup.
I think this would be true for normal arena as well, where it doesn’t seem like Fjorm will win any matchups we wouldn’t already expect (swords and red mages). I was thinking out loud that, with her RES, Shield Pulse, and Aegis, she might survive a few more units, but truthfully, I suspect it won’t make a difference. I could definitely be wrong about Ice Mirror though. The math for the counter damage is complicated to guess in advance
The problem I’m going to have with Fjorm personally is that that Lance is almost certainly a prf weapon, meaning I’m not going to be able to put it on a Unit I’m actually going to use. I mean, free powerful Unit is nice and all, but I’ve already got a Delthea tricked out to do just about everything I need a Blue Unit for, she’s only missing Close Counter and I have an extra Takumi on standby. Even my much-farther-behind alt. account has Cordelia, who is the only Unit I could let replace Delthea on my main account, so Fjorm’s not really helping me much unless I decide I’d like to start doing Arena Assault. Still hyped for the Summon Event anyways, I guess, though this is the first time I’ve hoped to only pull 4S Units from a color(Blue) – I need Cordelia for my main, and if she’s not coming as a 5S then I guess my fingers are crossed for only 4S Blue Units.
for those of you that don’t know, staves in the weapon refinery can get either wrathful staff 3 or dazzling staff 3. be on the look-out for genny in the legendary heroes banner!
Both Genny and Bride Lyn can be amazing now, without you need to sacrifice one of them. Also, Absorb+ surprised me! “After combat, restores 7 HP to allies within 2 spaces of unit.” is a great skill.
you should see the legendary weapon and dragon buffs. broken!!! oh and daggers might be viable. jaffar is a monster. 10 poison strike, watersweep without attack count restriction against mages, 24 savage blow damage plus smoke effects. did i mention takumi teleporting everywhere on the map (he can pass terrains as well, plus escape route)
What do you mean about staves being able to get Wrathful Staff? Does that mean I can upgrade any staff to having a Wrathful Staff effect without needing to pull Genny and inherit?
And all 3 are good units.
Both Shiro and Siegbert have great weapons and a great skill set.
Soleil came with the Firesweep Sword, and a high base attak of 38 (neutral, Lv40)
Rhajat is, in my opinion, the weakest in this banner but this do not means she is a bad unit. I want her Keen Gronnwolf.
But I am a little surprised, because I was expecting Kana or Shigure…
Well a majority of people are now stating (including me) that they didn’t reach a 5 star until they poured around 90+ orbs. Taking away pity 5 stars really shot down the probability of pulling any SSR within the given color you chosen. Deny it if you want all because you pulled like 3 of this F’rs using like 50-some orbs, but that just makes you that special snowflake that didn’t get screwed by this banner. A majority of players have gotten 5 stars previously with A LOT less effort. I used all of my f2p orbs (around 85) to just end up with a freaking Fjorm….yes….lets put the free chick in the banner -_-, and spent around $30 more bucks while finishing all the chain battles to get nothing still (at that 10% baby~!) And yes….I’m pulling on all but colorless.
I do agree that this banner really screwed people over, from what I heard at least. I guess it goes to show that nothing is as good as it seems. In the future I’m probably going to skip the legendary heroes banner, unless they decide to tone down the units in the focus pool of the legendary banners to something like 6 or 4.
Also, I think this might have sounded like a good idea at first to IS, but if they are getting complaints from this banner then they’ll try something else for the next legendary heroes banner.
Im with you on this one. If something like this happens again, I’m staying the hell away from it. Or at the very least not participate unless there’s no free units in it *looking at you Fjorm* For my sanity I’m just going to step away from this banner and just focus on saving what little I can before the Kids come. Since I do want Shiro and Seigbert. 12 orbs from those paralogues + December quests. Watch, I get like 2 SSRs on it with only going into 40some orbs, like how it usually goes with me.
Unless someone out there does the calculations, the consensus came up with the answer (that makes sense for the most part) that taking out the off-banner 5 stars severely limits the characters you can get as an SSR. This one you only have 3 of each color. Before, if you pulled like a Klein, Now, Tharja, etc, there would have been a slight chance to get a 5 star variant. But here, there’s 0% chance of pulling any other character as a 5 star. Plus with so many focus units in this banner, that 8% chance of actually pulling one of them on a single pull is spread out thinner than people think, since there’s 12 rate up Heroes instead of the usual 3/4. Because at this stage people would just be thankful to get any SSR after pouring so much into this banner without successful results.
I really wish there was a definitely explanation for summoning (or, if there is, that someone would point me to it). My understanding was that each orb offered a fixed rate, so you had an 8% chance on any given orb, and then the number of units was split from there (so it spins for a 5* and then for a unit). So normally it would be spin for focus 5*, other 5*, and so on, and then for a unit from there. So a focus with a single red unit for instance provided a 3* chance of pulling that unit for each red orb pulled. But I guess that’s not correct?
I feel bad that bad luck occured to you on this banner. 🙁 With 40 orbs I got 2 Ayras (one from the free summon) and 1 Brave Lyn, so I was lucky I suppose.
Doubt this is any more rigged than the normal banners. Put 80 orbs in it and got Fjorm, Ike, Camilla and a third Jenny I’m never going to use. Two of them were in a single session.
That sucks. It does feel as if the game somehow keeps track of your previous statistics in some way. My luck in this one feels like it has to do with my misfortunes in the latest banners.
300 F2P orbs for two Celica, and Ike (who was my target), and Spring Xander. Don’t snipe colors people, it really hurt my chances. Wish I had pulled a Hector but such is life.
Until now, I got Spring Xander, Bride Caeda, Ike and Ayra.
I didn’t have the first 3 units, so I am really happy, but I will continue my search for Celica… WHERE IS MY ZOFIAN PRINCESS?!
I’ve had a pretty good haul so far on the banner. Got Fjorm, unexpectedly (which I have merged now), a Bridelia (unfortunately -Spd, but with +Atk, she’s not a lost cause) and a Brave Lyn (with a better nature than my previous one). Right now, though… sitting on 10% pity. Ah well, between the TT’s (where I still have a fair bit to go) and at least the Fates kids banner still to come, this certainly won’t be how it ends.
Now, I’m fiercely debating what to do with these water blessings. ‘Cause I summoned Fjorm at random, I now have 2. I don’t know what kind of unit should get it, though, and it’s pretty high commitment right now.
Also sat on two blessings, so I just figured an already fast non-blue unit would appreciate it. So I gave it to Eine. Now she’s at 40 base speed+swift sparrow (unmerged) when paired with Fjorm, and they complement each other pretty well. Otherwise just look at her stats and find an unit you have that does what she can’t do. Which could be a physically tanky unit with preferably 35+ spd to begin with.
Pulled Ike, Hector (my 3rd) and S! Camilla…that’s 2 new and a DC to sack for someone. Trying right now to pull for Bridelia, Genny, Ayra, and maybe a better IV S! Camilla (the one I got was -Spd/+Res). Seasonal blessings atm seem inconsequential as they seem rare and overall don’t grant too much of a bonus and must be paired with the Legendary Hero anyways.
Fjorm doesn’t seem busted, but is definitely a solid unit with a base kit that fulfills a specific niche very effectively but can become better with certain skills (steady breath, distant defense, quick riposte, glacier). With the buffs to staves, I might now actually care about making a build of those characters…now they just need to do something about daggers.
Jaffar’s dagger is a legendary weapon, so naturally it’s refinery will include an upgrade, so unless the generic daggers get a universal buff like how staves can get the dazzling or wrathful effect, or breaths get a special upgrade, I don’t know how daggers are improved since I only have a 5* Kagero and H! Sakura, neither of which have weapons that can be refined.
Seems they did, I didn’t notice since none of my 5* could upgrade, but it seems like weapon refinery is going to make some weapons like poison dagger even less useful…which didn’t make too much sense since poison dagger was easily countered by all the horse and armored units running around in the area, it never once gave me issues. Seems they might add more weapons to the list given time.
Binding Blade does give defense buffs, so I can at least see what they were going for, but it gives such meager buffs in Heroes that’s its effectively worthless. Maybe they’ll give it distant counter and let it keep some buffs. Alternatively they could double down on TA and make it a buffed Ruby Sword. I don’t think it will improve Roy’s standing regardless though; his stat spread is just too balanced
Yay! More refining stones. Now, with theses extra refining stones, I will be able to refine Bride Lyn’s Candlelight+. I already refined Genny’s staff, but she is too slow. My Bride Lyn has a good 34 spd and she will be great with a Wrathful Candlelight+.and Dazzling Staff.
I’ll pass none of them I like I’ll wait for the inevitable Ophelia, Female Kana, Midori, Selkie and Velouria(when beasts gets added) getting in definitely later down for these 4 unless I accidentally get them.
In my opinion, we will see Male Kana first… Or at least both in the same banner. Because they always use Female Corrin to represent Fates’s Avatar. So… Female Avatar… Male child.
I like that they are communicating the fact that Rhajat is on a seperate banner ahead of time, unlike what they did with Ayra. Appreciated. It seems we’ve been heard.
I am curious, though… we still have absolutely no signs of a potential GHB or TT unit. Any ideas that would fit with the Fates Kids theme? And for the GHB in particular, someone who’d make sense to actually get a GHB? I mean, giving Forrest a GHB, for instance, would just seem weird to me…
Are the GHBs usually thematic with the banner? I don’t remember. Honestly, I hope they don’t give us a Fates-related GHB, but they have plenty of options if they wanted to…Hans, Iago, Arete, Mikoto, Sumeragi, Scarlet, Flora, etc…I don’t believe you had to fight any of the children to recruit them. Of course, I’d prefer to see them go back to the Grado generals (Caellach, sword wyvern Glen, green mage Selena, or Duessel), or at least finish the Fangs and give us Linus.
I find that they usually are. Clarisse and Legion GHB’s happened alongside the New Mystery banner. Valter came right after the Sacred Stones banner. And most recently, Arvis’s GHB happened right after the Genealogy gen 1 banner happened. They’ve been pretty consistent about that ever since Legion’s GHB. So yes, it seems likely to me that we’d get a Fates-based GHB. If it can be tied into Fates-kids specifically, all the better, though that might be tricky.
On the note of the kids, the ones you had to fight as an enemy unit before recruiting them were Rhajat (who’s obviously disqualified for a GHB here), Percy and Nina. Not sure how strong their odds would be, but I’d say they’re possible.
Fair enough. I have to imagine they’ll break that trend here though, or else wait for the next banner. I agree Percy and Nina are possible, but I just don’t see it. I might have thought they’d give us Siegbert or Shiro that way, to reference Heir of Fates (or whatever the DLC was called), but I guess not
Well, I found the best enemies were the other lords, so there isn’t a GHB option there obviously. Otherwise, they were just boring or randomly evil or both. I’m not a big fan of Selena’s archetype, but if they made her a green tome, I’d be all for it
Yeah Grado Generals would be awesome. (Though I prefer source game reasons for weapons so not seeing wind mage Selena, her entire map is pretty much made for her bolting) Any preference for DuesseI? I lean heavily to Axe (mainly his starting weapons and Garm for reasoning) but I can see reasoning for lance and he’s far less obvious in general than Caellach. (Who was mentioned specifically as an axe man in heores right?) For related characters Riev is sadly light focused and I doubt Vidgarde would really bring anything to the table, Orson?
Selfishly, I just chose weapons that would be useful to me, hence green Selena. At least sword Glen and axe Duessel make sense. Green fits the least for Selena, I’d think. Caellach is definitely an axe. I don’t know if it’s mentioned in Heroes, but Joshua mentions that he’s always used one in Sacred Stones. My favorite character in Fire Emblem is Lyon, but he profiles as another slow red mage. As a green mage, of course, I’d be all for it. Runesword Orson could be fun, but we have a lot of sword cavaliers. I’m not too interested in Riev
Yeah I kinda figured on Selena, Reiv was just to finish out the gemstones (and general light magic mention I guess) For Caellach I think he was (most likely, it wasn’t by name) mentioned by Joshua as an Axe user (since Dorcas was in the same batch) he knew who died in one of the more recent Heroes events/quests. (Going off memory and it wasn’t by name so thought I’d check if you already knew the reference)
Now that you mention it, you are definitely right! Joshua does mention that specifically in the second catalogue for those heroes. I remembered the reference but not the full content
Definitely passing on this banner. We’re already buried in swords and lances. Also, Dark Greatsword? Would it have been too much to give him Siegfried, or are we playing Dark Souls now?
As for the gauntlet, I would have thought they would’ve learned their lesson about including Tharja again, but maybe they think Rhajat will split that vote a bit?
I think the issue with Siegbert getting Siegfried is that it would be strangely asymmetrical, given that his Hoshidan counterpart Shiro uses lances and thus can’t use the Raijinto.
Not sure if anyone else noticed, but there wasn’t a new paralogue for the kid units, just as I feared. So that means less orbs for us sadly. At least we know there’s a log-in bonus.
Not my favorite batch of art, Myrrh not withstanding. Are we sure Lyon is the one possessed here, because Eirika looks pretty gone. They didn’t really represent the Sacred Twins (particularly Sieglinde) very well either
They’re on the same side of the bracket though, so that’s something. But it is cute that they’re trying to pretend Tharja and Rhajat are different characters
Still predicting an easy win for Tharja, but willing to be surprised. As for me, Catria is a favorite of mine after SoV, but Katarina is probably also top 10, which leads me to my actual point: why is Katarina in this gauntlet? I’ve played New Mystery, so I have a few guesses, but she still doesn’t seem like the obvious fit the others are…
Yeah, not only do I always recruit her, I usually pump all my stat boosting items into her so I can use her, and I have gotten her A support. I’ve even played as both male and female Chris, though the point about him canonically being male is well taken. I thought that’s was what it was, but I figured I’d confirm because I have mixed feelings about that relationship and because I’ve only played the game translated
I tried using her a bit in hard but it was futile. Even more so in lunatic. The translation is fairly identical to the original too. But yeah, they don’t have a paired ending iirc, but to me it was quite clear that she liked him.
Man, a paired ending would have been so great. But no, there isn’t one. I wish they’d do more paired endings. It would allow them to keep the pairing aspect without being as ridiculous (like we could see more stuff like AmeliaxDuessel and JoshuaxGerik paired endings)
That’s also one of the reasons I hate how FE13 handled supports. They all felt slapped on and not genuine at all since everyone was capable of supporting everyone pretty much. Always did prefer when it wasn’t all over the place. Though not my favourite, Harken&Vaida is still as sad to this day..
On the one hand, I can appreciate wanting everyone to be able to talk to everyone, but of course this makes it difficult for the writers, and I by no means think that every support has to end romantically. Alternatively, one could say that not all people can form bonds with all people, so it’s fine to only have a handful of supports. Ultimately, I think quality matters most to me. I felt Echoes had mostly too few supports, because when they were good, they were really good, but even so not all of them did it for me. I also think I really appreciate paired endings, but again, they need not be romantic. You could assume that nothing terribly substantial came of Harken and Vaida’s conversation for instance (not that it wasn’t meaningful), because there wasn’t a paired ending for them in a game that used paired endings, so they serve that purpose as well.
You sure? I want to remember those two having a paired one (FE7) but I could be mistaken, it’s been years since I last replayed that particular game.
SoV had a good idea by making it map based again, and limiting the amount of conversations, making it feel a bit like the GBA games. However, nothing can top the GBA games in quality for me. It’s true that they weren’t all amazing, but it was a step up from FE13/14 for sure. You also have to keep in mind that the localization team also has a say in what goes through as well. That’s what broke the aforementioned games too. So some releases may be more akin to the intended experience, while others are changed. That’s also why FE12 base convos are great, because the translations are pretty damn literal to how it was originally.
You are right actually. They do. Shows what I remember…In fact there are a number from those games I don’t remember, apparently. I remember the supports in Path of Radiance particularly positively (I’m due to play that again), but in any case map based, and without a limit, is definitely preferable.
Ah yeah, my mistake. And yeah, I don’t even ship much but I strongly approve of that coupling too! Kris is probably my favorite Avatar, for several reasons.
Wow yeah haven’t read FE11 dialogue in a while, that was a good analysis. Tbh I thought Kris was fine ASIDE from the whole ending dialogue. It’s not like Medeus can be killed well without Marth in FE12 Lunatic, that’s for sure. Kris was very useful and a loyal knight, but Marth was the leader who won the war. And they take that away from him in the dialogue. So I get what you mean about FE 12 Marth now.
For me, Kris worked fine in regards to Katarina and the prologue more or less. But he really should not have had that much of a story role that it felt like Marth was depending so much on him.
Here’s the same guy that praised FE11 Marth ranting about Kris, and you’ll see the issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/3126f4/character_discussion_fe12_chris/cpxz3mu/
Out of curiosity, was this the same guy who also wrote about how Michalis should have stayed dead and his recruitment in FE12 destroyed his character? Granted, everyone does have an opinion, so it’s not my place to judge. I still enjoyed Kris, and at least found his/her overpowered strength to spring from a realistic source, strong family devotion and an entire lifetime spent preparing to serve their lord.
I have no idea. I was just looking online and saw those parts out of curiosity, and this made me appreciate Marth more, and realize how Kris does feel like he hurt other characters. Though Kris was a supporting character, he was treated way too special to make the player feel good about themselves.
I personally always try to judge the avatars as their own character rather than myself, which is something I can tell a lot of other veterans do too. Hopefully FE Switch decides to try to make the Avatar a customizable UNIT, rather than a customizable character (Kris and Robin having every class was a decent attempt at this, but Corrin was too biased towards a physical sword build because of Yato.) Give the player total dialogue input (like Mass Effect), or no input at all. That way they don’t keep ruining the somewhat decent ideas that each Avatar have been (yes, even Corrin would have been decent to me then). Just my opinion though.
I personally feel Robin was the best Avatar to me. And Corrin’s issue is that they focused even harder on making him feel special, making him dragon, legendary sword user, ultimate hero, etc. His character is one of the many flaws of Fates’ story.
Yeah Corrin didn’t work well at all. Personally, if they had given us even some “memory scenes” of Robin’s past, even delved into his tactical studies under Validar, etc., Robin would be my favorite too. But they just….left so much out at the end of Awakening to hasten the plot towards the end. Robin could have been so much more, but they used the amnesia for too long and took away a backstory that would have been very interesting.
I have fanfic for Robin’s past, or currently his mother’s past. But Robin was actually taken by his mother when he was still an infant, so he never learned anything from Validar.
And there’s a reason why you felt Robin was lacking. Because Awakening was something that was rushed. Three arcs that could very well have been their own games ended up being a single game, especially a game that was intended to be a mass Fire Emblem reference game.
So the real question is…. how the heck did Robin learn magic, tactics, and swordplay without a SINGLE notable or mentioned teacher? His mother maybe? Even Corrin’s swordplay came from somewhere, because Xander trained them whenever possible.
lol, here I try to be as ambiguous as possible with it and you just went out and said it. well, whatever, since he ended up having recruited her anyway it doesn’t really matter.
I like Katarina too, and she’d have been my second choice, because of how I liked her story in New Mystery. Sigurd gets my vote cause he’s my best sword unit due to his tankiness to both physical and magical attacks, while still hitting hard as well. He’s helped me so much that I have to stick with him.
Tharja is a usual contender for winning with her popularity, Sigurd has a chance on the basis of being such an OP unit, and Dorcas has meme power. The others don’t really stand a chance without the losing modifier. People generally hate Faye, Rhajat was added in instead of Ophelia, so a lot of people are butt-hurt about that, Priscilla is a healer, and Catria and Katarina are from the games no one played.
I played Shadow Dragon. Not the original, but the remake, and the Whitewings are also in Gaiden/SoV. Catria’s the only one on here I would even vote for anyways, though really Palla should have also been on here.
I’d like to think most of the community played SoV and a New Mystery (I hope very few of them have played Shadow Dragon…). Catria and the rest of the Whitewings jumped pretty much into my top 10 favorite FE characters after SoV, though I vastly prefer her art there to here. Same with the other two actually. I think Palla and Est are great, but I don’t love their art in Heroes either. I agree that I prefer Palla’s case for “enduring love” to Catria’s. But regardless, Tharja will probably win
Most of the hard core FE community has, but we’re a small minority when it comes to those who play FE games, but we’re probably also not proportionately as small in the FE Heroes player base to the newer or more casual players so predictions on who’ll win are not as simple as determining who’s the most popular.
Either way, I mainly find it odd that Priscilla was included in the voting Gauntlet, since everyone else falls under romantic feelings for their ‘enduring love’ while Priscilla’s wasn’t that way with Raven (at least that’s the impression I got from the English ver, maybe it’s different in Japanese). Though at the same time I still find some of the choices odd in that they seemed more like crushes than cases for ‘enduring love.’ Dorcas and Sigurd are obvious as it refers to their spouses, Tharja and Rhajat are obsessed with the Avatars, and Faye is the Tharja of Echoes. But after that it seems like IntSys ran out of ideas for cases of ‘enduring love,’ didn’t want to stick Camilla or Cordelia in, and went with the next closest thing. But then why not someone like Nino or Jaffar?
Catria is a fair choice in that her unrequited love for Marth is pretty well documented, by which I mean, we’re told it’s a thing without any explanation or justification. But she seems like a weird choice because unlike Tharja or Faye, they actually made Catria a complete character in addition to her thing for March. There was an incest thing implied in Priscilla’s affection for Raven, though I suppose the gauntlet could merely mean any kind of love (in which case there would be far better options than who they chose). I’ve already mentioned elsewhere that something about Katarina’s selection was a little off to me, perhaps because her affection for Chris was underdeveloped. Jaffar would have been a great choice honestly, and off the top of my head, Titania would arguably make more sense too. I’m sure there are plenty of others
Oh great, it’s the Battle of the Stalkers, including Tharja, the winner of the Battle of the Mages, Priscilla, the runner-up of The War of the Clerics, and Katarina, the girl who lost in the first round of Short-Haired Ladies vs. Long-Haired Gents. I hope this Voting Gauntlet is not as rigged as that last one, I lost 3 matches in a row for crying out loud!
While we’re here, can I point out they’re pulling the exact same stunt with Rhajat that they did with Ayra, or does the fact that Rhajat’s nowhere near as powercreepy as Ayra mean I’m not allowed to complain this time?
Well, in their defence, I think they at least learned their lesson a little bit. They featured her in the video this time, which they didn’t with Ayra (they just ignored the fact that we could see her sprite), and they also announced that Rahajat would be appearing on a separate banner, which they also didn’t do last time. She’s also appearing -before- the main banner rather than after, which isn’t quite as bad because there’s now no excuse of ‘I used my orbs on the main banner and then they dropped an extra ‘secret’ character after we used all of our orbs’.
Is it still a pretty shady thing to do? Yes. Do I wish they would stop doing that, especailly since there’s plenty of precedent for a four-person banner rather than 3? Also yes. But I think they at least learned -a- lesson, if not not -the- lesson: i.e., that they shouldn’t do this. (At the very least, putting maybe Soleil rather than Rahajat on the separate banner would have given one of each colour for the main banner, which would have been nice rather than competing Reds, a blue, and no greens, which is what we now get)
However if they had switched than you’d have Soleil and Tharja competing for reds on the same banner and honestly that was one of the bigger problems with Ayra since she was alongside Eldigan. This way its at least Rhajat is the only green focus summon. Is it going to stink if your trying to pull Soleil and you get Siegbert instead (or visa versa) sure but at least they are new characters all around. As you said doesn’t completely solve the problem but it seems they have learned a lesson. Also this was probably only me but each circle had at least 1 green, usually more though.
Hmm…a fair point re: subbing out Rahajat vs. Soleil and the other problems that would then cause. I guess this is the best we can hope for at this point since it seems this is IS’s way of saying ‘we are still going to do this, but at least we’ll give you some warning when we do’.
(PS- yes, my fears of getting Soleil when hoping for Siegbert were warranted, as that’s exactly what happened to me today. But I got her after only three orbs, she’s +SPD/-RES, and I still have plenty of time to try again for the two princes, so I shouldn’t really complain too much!)
Yeah I got Soleil after like 50 as she was my focus nothing against Siegbert or Shiro just preferred her character over them in fates, also gives me a decent person to give my spare Brave Sword+ to. Wish I had gotten your build though, mine was +ATK/-RES so still a very nice build just maybe not the best for Brave Sword
I just screencap them from the Notifications Page and then use Photoshop to remove the background. It’s not super clean, but it gets the job done and still looks a bit better than the stark white border.
Managed to get Siegbert as my free summon. Never been that lucky before.
Also, gotta say that I don’t really care for these characters in their respective games.. but their art in this one is stellar and is definitely making me like them.
I think Azura’s “mysterious” dancer outfit can be her promoted outfit, because Songstress class cannot be promoted in Fates. Oboro can have the Spear Master outfil and Niles can have the Adventurer outfit.
My only hopes are Azura and Oboro do not be clone characters.
The Famitsu scan is not in a very good quality, but that image can be her special attack. Special attacks and Awakening attacks are the only exclusive attack to each character characters with the same moveset.
Azura and Oboro will be the only playable Infantry Lance Units. Regardless of whether or not they have a repeat of the generic Spear Master moveset, they’ll still at least be unique compared to the rest of the cast. I do want the two of them to be different as well, though, particularly as Azura’s what this entire DLC set hinges on for me – if she’s unique enough, I’ll go for the Season Pass. If she’s just a second Oboro, I’ll probably skip this and the Awakening one and just go get Minerva.
For me, both Azura and OIivia need to be different from the rest because they are songstress and dancer… They have something special to add to their fighting styles.
Yeah, that’s why the Season Pass hinges on Azura for me – if she has a unique moveset, it’s very likely Olivia will too.
Azura is the only Unit in the Fates set that interests me, so she needs to be really special to make up for the fact that I will have to also put up with more Niles.
Olivia I can give a little more slack because Owain just about balances out the fact that I’m sending them the message that people will pay for Tharja, which is what they’ll probably choose to see in the popularity of the Awakening pack, and I already decided Navarre and Minerva will be worth the investment, with Linde being just a bonus Tome Unit.
Marth and Tiki cannot promote either, and Frederick, Ryoma, Xander, Leo and Camilla are all prepromotes, but they have new promoted costumes anyways, since that’s the gameplay mechanic.
I’m sure that the Mysterious Dancer is just a regular alternate costume.
Yessssssss!!! FINALLY. I feel like I’ve been waiting forEVER for Azura information. Can’t believe she has her Performing Arts/Conquest look too. Legit awesome. She’s one of my very favorite FE characters. Still a little butthurt/surprised she didn’t make the main roster.
Also love that it looks like Camilla somehow gains MORE clothing when her armor falls off. Lol.
Honestly, having to pay extra for Azura was probably the thing that tipped me against getting this game. She was really the only one I really wanted from the originally expected cast
They acknowledged that Awakening had plot holes too, though. They even said it was rather unsatisfying for them, and wanted to do better. And yet the next story was Fates lol.
That’s not really true at all. Blazing Sword, Sacred Stones, and Tellius (Path of Radiance until Part 4 of Radiant Dawn) all had at least memorable stories, and I understand Geneology and Thracia are well-regarded as well. While it would be hopeless to expect Final Fantasy Tactics from them, I think they ought to be held to a higher standard than Awakening, Fates, Heroes, Warriors (Echoes was fine. Not brilliant, but not bad by any stretch). To be clear, Awakening was, in my opinion, a great game with a lot of merits, but the overall plot was not one of them, and its plot was probably worse than Fates in that it would be much harder to fix.
Don’t get me wrong, I love most of FE stories as well! Geneology and Tellius in particular are some favorites of mine. But as you said, they aren’t FF Tactics, that’s for sure.
They deserve it, really. Games of this type are pretty terrible as a model, and Heroes has its problems, but they’ve done a pretty good job and put a reasonable amount of effort into their product. I do not expect it to last through 2018 however, if it is the case that their success is propelled in significant part by the Fire Emblem fanbase. They’ll run of characters for people to get excited about, and the power creep will ruin the Fire Emblem aspect of it too. After all, I’m a little rubbed the wrong way a little bit by seeing Dorcas keep pace with Hector, Soleil overwhelm Marth and Roy, and Mia render Ike mostly unnecessary. Knowing that the next random character they add will be infinitely better than the one I just worked really hard to get has lessened my enthusiasm, and it’s still a little boring that there’s so many different resources and we have to rely on the developers to give them to us. I think they should be pleased though. They made a lot of money and entertained a lot of people for about a year
Ike is still a big contender, his weapon and skillset are much better even if Mia is given Distant Counter she has to waste a slot where its just natural to Ike among other things.
So long as there are characters to be used, reused, and so on, they can keep the app running for a long time. This app has been a goldmine for them after all. And with the FE Switch coming out next year, we’ll get those characters soon as well.
You dont expect it to last through 2018? Lol youre joking right? Theres random gacha games that have been going for 5+ years that are infinitely less popular than this one. FEH is positioned to last well into 2020 if not longer.
Mia and Ike play different roles: Ike works better as a defensive, enemy phase character (you can even consider a -spd bane as good for him, since quick riposte is almost a must) while Mia and Ayra are all-out player phase offensive characters. They depend a lot on their team composition to stay alive and get out of punishment range, while Ike can act as a wall or go nuts and attack from time to time. I think a lot of the player base doesn’t care too much about the power creep problem (at least for now) since they gave us a Lyn uh… brave hero for free and more important, lots of fans just enjoy playing the characters they like. The game is relatively easy anyway- I don’t have a Reinhardt or Mia or Ayra or Dorcas or any of the “hot” new characters, and still I’m rank 20 as a F2P
You’re good, it’s a somewhat obscure card.
Also, you wouldn’t happen to recognize the dragons in the background of the Tiki/Nowi art, would you? I see what looks like both Kanas, Fae, possibly a second Tiki, Ena, Ninian, and Nah, but I don’t recognize the two in the back. The one in Nowi’s half looks like either Mila or Nagi, I’m calling it as Nagi, and unless Duma wears a red cloak I have no idea who the guy on Tiki’s half is. Thoughts?
Red cloak’s gotta be Bantu, and I agree that the one in Nowi’s is probably Mila or Nagi, and I’d guess Nagi of the two based on the purple outfit if nothing else.
It’s kinda funny that Camilla’s broken armor just looks like her normal armor, minus the actual armor. Then Elise and Sakura’s look kinda like pajamas, makes sense that they wouldn’t get too sexual with theirs due to their age. I wonder if they’ll turn these broken armor looks into costume alts, I really like the idea of having Ryoma wreck shop in a loincloth. The timing to the DLC is perfect with my last final being on the 22nd, I’ll have lots of time to enjoy it.
In my opinion, the broken armor will be a alt. outfit, but also the outfit will be activated when the broken armor skill trigger. It will be like the promoted outfit. Your unit is a promoted class, but you do not need to use his/her promoted outfit.
I’d like it to be like that, but at the moment, the banana twins don’t have there broken armor looks at alt. outfits, so I just hope the devs decide to make that change.
Wait wait, Azura’s “Sing” ability got included in the game after all?! Did NOT expect that! I wonder how one would activate it, though; I’m guessing the same way as the healers would use a staff. And if rumors are true, I guess we would expect Olivia to have a “Dance” ability as well.
Regardless, I’m so happy my beloved songstress is finally in the game! YAHOO, just in time for Christmas!
I’m almost thinking that’s what got Olivia into the game. I’m stoked about it, as I’ve always really liked the character, but there’s plenty of other Awakening characters that I probably would’ve expected first. They probably didn’t want the mechanic for just one character and Shadow Dragon doesn’t have a dancer.
So all three are going to be somewhat unique…
Alright, IS, I’ll trust you on this with that Season Pass, but you better not let me down – the rage of a RoyBoy is not something one wishes to have to deal with.
My luck was pretty okay. 60 orbs for neutral Lyn and def- res+ Ephraim. I’ve spent 150 on banners with the same percentage and got nothing from them. In other words, it went really well this time.
Got a Linde from my free pull. 2nd one….but its +hp -ATK. I look over at my current Linde: +hp -spd……why game….why?!?! Decided to merge my original with the new one. Id rather sacrifice 3 ATK points if it meant getting her neutral Spd at 36 (37 now thanks to the merge)
i was a bit spent after the refinery upgrade banner (got what i sniped for tough: ephraim and lyn in 50 orbs). i breathed a sigh of relief with these orbs
So just to make sure I’ve understood things correctly, this update isn’t available now, but will be available on December 21 when the Fates DLC pack is set to launch?
S Rank made easier? Thanks…I guess? I haven’t had issues with that yet, so I don’t know that it needed the help. Being able to restore a Fort Captain’s HP will be nice, though.
Do we know how long those Orbs and additions are going to be available? I split two accounts between one iPod and change once a week, so I’d love to know if I need to be taking care of both accounts within today.
It seems most gifts don’t have a time limit. Except for redeeming Nintendo Rewards, which I believe are set at 30 days from when you redeem tell Nintendo to send you the gift, the others don’t indicate a time limit like quest rewards (which are obviously only available until when the quests go away). I still have the Narcian they sent out as a Twitter reward sitting there unclaimed, for example (my barracks were full at the time) and it doesn’t seem to be an issue!
You can see the expiry for various gifts in the Notifications Screen. The apology items need to be picked up by 22 December and the Google Play rewards need to be picked up 8 January.
If you go on Arena Assault with either a level 40 Berkut or Sharena you should be able to find a bunch of weaponless Berkuts there. Plus it doesn’t cost anything.
Thanks for the tip! I didn’t find any weaponless ones, but after a while, I was able to kill a couple regular ones through Arena Assault, so it worked out
I thought Sigurd had the win for the last few hours since the pattern was going to place him as having the bonus multiplier for the final hour, but Tharja managed to force it off of him into the “Same Score” status for the last 2 hours, and since her side had the most supporters, she won in the end.
Free orbs and challenges always appreciated, but I wonder when the next banner will show up. The schedule for December showed things to be a bit front loaded, but rather barren for the rest of the month with all that remains being the Amelia & Tana Bound Hero Battle and the Winter Log-In Bonus. There’s gotta be more.
There’s definitely a new banner coming next Monday, probably winter, or Christmas, or holiday, or whatever when the kids one ends. There will probably be some extra ones as well and maybe a GHB if we’re lucky. They also hinted there might be something special at the end of the month as well
Yeah, when they released Fjorm, the announcement suggested that there would be another Legendary Heroes-type event at the end of December, so at least we’ve got that. Considering we also don’t really go more than a week between the usual (more or less) back-to-back Tempest Trials and Voting Gauntlet, I’d say we’d also likely be in store for another TT towards the end of the month, too (heck, maybe they’ll even be connected). Since we’re going on two months since the last -new- GHB (Arvis was 18 Oct), I’m personally hoping we’ll get another one of those before the month ends too, even if there’s been no hint of it so far. (And of course, whatever seasonal banner we’ll get is a given too, considering the Kids banner ends next week).
About the Amelia & Tana Bound Hero Battle, I can easily see Innes in the banner. They always do a 3 heroes banner in the Bound Hero banners, so… Amelia, Tana and Innes will probably be the heroes of this banner. I do not have any of these units, so I will try to get at least one of them. Since this bound heroes is going until December 23rd, I will wait the next new heroes banner before try the bound heroes banner.
Thanks Narcian, glad to see you’re looking out for us all.
…while you’re at it, how DOES your hair stay like that? The ladies are probably all over it.
This Bound Hero Battle was… easy. I used Brave Lyn, Bride Lyn, Shiro and Siegbert.
I am happy for the Fire Emblem Warriors maps, but no new quests? Even for the BHB? That’s sad.
I choose Marth because some of the special banners have 4 units, 2 of each game. But, if Robin and Tharja appear in the banner too, the right one can be Chrom.
The two characters appear to have Santa hats, and Lissa definitely seems like someone who would wear a Santa hat. The shape of the right person’s hair sort of resembles “Marth”.
I’m thinking Robin and Tharja would also make an appearance since it doesn’t make sense for IS to scrap designs that were already available.
Oh I see it, yeah the more angular looking thing on the left side of their head probably is a santa hat. Nevermind, I doubt it’s Lucina/”Marth” or even Chrom. It could be real Marth though..
I’m thinking Lissa and Chrom, since, well, the resemblance is there, but also they’ve more or less only used the 3DS games for the seasonal banners. Robin-M and Tharja would make sense then, to round out the group. Either way, I bet I’ll pass
Some people have speculated that the left could be Peri, and while I’d be fine with that, I’m almost certain that it’s Lissa after comparing hers and Peri’s hair with this.
I had 170 orbs saved so I could get my first Tana. 130 later, and I got two Tana an Amelia and a Seliph! What a nice reward for finishing finals, I guess!
Judging by the hilt and the hair shape looking like it’s tucked in (just realized it might be the santa hat causing that shape though) as well as the hilt that looks like awakening falchion and the way there is a slight perfusion right above the eye line on the right side of the face all look like masked marth. I suppose it could be a weird rendering of chrom though. But maybe Lucina Emblem will get five members, who knows?
Chrom on the right. The sword hilt matches the the Falcion’s. But I think it’ll be an accessory for him. I’m expecting him to be a armored mage judging from the amount of luggage on him.
Lissa definitely on the left. Probably an axe unit.
Actually, she was leaked (only with the face shown) sometime in February along with Robin (with full body portraits) in the data-mine back at Feb 2017. I think the Christmas banner along with Fire Emblem Heroes was probably planned to be released before Christmas on 2016 instead of post-pone to Feb 2017. Christmas Tharja would probably have to be the first armored mage in the game if the game was released before Christmas instead of February 2017.
I was bummed when I realized Lissa and Chrom share the same color but her B skill is awesome and if she pops up more than once I’ll be able to sacrifice her to better my Chrobin duo.
We know Robin and Tharja’s art have been set since the beginning of the game, I wonder if their armor status were always planned or added in response to the meta?
I knew they would add Christmas Robin and Christmas Tharja, and I see that they’ve added Christmas Chrom and Christmas Lissa. But, they are all Armored Units? Is this necessary?!
I’m pretty sure those Christmas decorations along with the suits probably have more defense and have one move since Halloween Jakob did have heavy ball in his leg and Halloween Henry was carrying the giant heavy coffin.
Christmas Tharja has no suit, she’s only wearing a bra and panties (with a coat), and yet she’s an Armored Unit? That doesn’t make any sense. Also, have you forgotten that Armored Units with Swords, Lances, Axes, and Bows (i.e. Halloween Jakob) are weak against Mages while Armored Units with Magic (i.e. Halloween Henry) are weak against the Melee and Bow Units?
Wow Tharja look awful, more pervert pandering yaaaayyyy… everyone else looks good though. At least looking at her dosnt make me feel like a pedophile like Nowi does, just like im at a strip club lmao. Seriously though Amor??? H!Henry had the giant coffin so okay and H!Jakob was just so damn dedicated to his costume’s authenticity he wore real iron ball shackles I guess but here? Tharja’s (still) only wearing a bikini and cape…..
Oh COME ON! A Bound Hero Battle with enemy reinforcements?! Is THIS necessary?! Seriously, I hate the enemy reinforcements, it annoys the hell out of me!
Also, they brought back the maps from Fire Emblem Warriors, and yet they still won’t add Rowan or Lianna.
Now we can have a Robin Emblem Team: Robin (M), Robin (F), Robin (F/YS) and Robin (M/WE). Sadly, 3 of the 4 Robins are blue units. I was hoping the Tannenboom! would be a sword and not a lance.
I FINALLY get the chance to hear this! And it was well worth the wait! Wow, she’s an amazing singer – especially to sing this live and do it so well! – and an amazing person to do the things she does.
Ok, for the 80 orbs I spent in this banner… I got:
WE!Lissa: +RES -ATK
WE!Tharja: +DEF -SPD
Clair: +ATK -RES
Eirika: +DEF +RES
Sheena: +HP -SPD.
Honestly, I really happy with my result in this first day of summoning. I hope I have the chance to get Robin and Chrom too.
From what I can tell, you probably aren’t likely to pull even one 5* in that amount of orbs, despite anecdotes to the contrary (you might expect one, but not getting one isn’t crazy). Of course, I’ll still wish you luck. I’ll always cheer a fellow F2P player on
…This game is freaking rigged, I swear – Orb 24 pulled me that blasted Tharja. I didn’t even want her. It seems we both need to keep our mouths shut when the Legendary Heroes Banner hits at the end of the year, or else I’ll pull whatever you look for instead of whatever I’m after.
Also, can someone do me a favor and TAKE FREAKING BARTRE OUT OF THIS GAME?!?!?!?!?!?!
Maybe next summer! I’m hoping Heroes will open up a bit to doing more with their OCs as we get more of them with the plot continuing and all. Would really love to see her as part of a summer banner next year.
Why is it that both Eirika’s 3/2s make her look psycho? Is it just because she’s always so calm looking, and her looking mad is just wrong? Or am I just crazy?
As for the set, first off, how did you get the Camilla to be angled right to not have any gold reflecting on her armor? I’ve been trying for the past week and can’t figure it out. Also, Joshua, L’Arachel, the new Lyn, and Natasha make for a fun Kilmar deck, surprisingly enough, particularly when paired with Jaffar.
The main difference between the two photos of the Camilla card is that the left is taken with flash and the right with no flash. I thought the left image showed off the card itself and also the rose texturing very nicely, but because of the angle of the shot, you can hardly see the foiling at all. The right shot showed the foiling better but was very hard to shoot in focus (this one was the best of a dozen tries and it’s still kinda fuzzy).
I couldn’t decide which showed the card off better, so I just tossed them both in. Cards with the foiling like that are very difficult to photograph. I guess it doesn’t help that I’m a pretty amateur photographer anyway.
Anyway, hopefully this helped!
I also agree with you on Eirika. I think her SR is my favourite art of her this set, but she’s pretty wild in both 3/2s.
I really love Fae, but I wish she would stop spooking me when I’m trying to get special event Heroes I really want.
What I’ve been most thankful for was being able to rub Tharja and Robin’s appearance in the faces of all my friends who believed they would be replaced.
Well, I can easily see Maid Camilla be the reward in the Cold Reception map, because in Fates you fight Flora in that map and Flora being a maid can her be substituted by Camilla in the Warriors’ version.
Maybe this time, I will finally get Eldigan… randomly got Minerva recently when I was trying to get another green, I don’t even remember who right now.
This…this is evil, considering Feh hinted at another Legendary Hero Event at the end of the year. I mean, I know we’re supposed to BUY Orbs so they get money, but…come on.
I know a lot of people are complaining about the repeat of Masked Marth as a reward, but I’m fine with it. There’s a lot of newer players that miss opportunities to get these free units and so making them reappear occasionally while dispersed between new content is okay with me…the only thing I’d then say is that why not some other free unit? Maybe they just decided that Masked Marth will be the only reoccurring Tempest Reward? Kind of a let down, but the biggest thing I’m looking forward to is the other rewards like the orbs and blessing(s).
Also, Christmas is suppose to be the most wonderful time of the year…yet my rng is crap. My free pull for the last 2 banners have been 3*s and I’m currently at 4.75% on the Winter Banner and still no W! Tharja…sadness.
I’m cool with more Masked Marth too, seeing as how the Unit is a blank slate you can do literally anything you want with so long as you stick to basic Red requirements(no Lancebreaker etc), plus this also means merges for those who already tricked one out.
Sad to hear my crossed fingers hasn’t resulted in much for you, man. I’ll keep my hopes up for ya, but maybe we should both stay quiet if that other Legendary Heroes Event Feh hinted at drops, just in case.
I still wish mashed marth had skills, especially something like aether, cause making her full SI makes her REALLY expensive to build, sp wise.
also my luck is crap becuse my previous 5 summons had no green when I’m pulling for lissa.
I did get a decent minerva in my second summon on this banner though
Damn, I knew the previous banner was bait and yet I still fell for it. Gonna have to scrounge up some Orbs somehow, especially since I don’t even have any of the Christmas units yet.
Masked Marth as a repeat is a little disappointing, maybe they could have done some sort of Morgan, but with how powerful dragons have gotten due to weapon refinery IS might be planing to give the Falchion refinery options like the ignore buffs upgrade. I might try to build a cancel affinity Masked Marth for all of those Triangle Adept Nowi and M!Robins you see in voting gauntlet ;_;
I’m fine with them repeating Masked Marth (helps newer players and gives me another merge), but I think a mini would’ve sufficed. The other rewards will have to be pretty special to make me appreciate spending my holiday grinding. But at least there should be some orbs to get for whatever the New Years event is
Navarre’s GHB is the easiest Grand Hero Battle of all. I won every difficult in my first try.
Also, if someone is having problem with the “Use Alfonse/Navarre to defeat Lv 40 Navarre” quest, try the Chain Challenge 5 on Lunatic. He is in the first map.
All these Navarre copies just sit there and clog up my barracks. I don’t want to get rid of them, because they’re exclusive, but I’m not seeing any reason to actually use them either
Yeah but then I’ll never be able to merge them (or get them back) and Selena does give Threaten Speed anyway. Probably will though. I did eat a Narcian for Lancebreaker and survived
I hope for new things soon so far after only 2 Book II chapters so much underwhelming padding especially another repeat TT reward, Warriors map again, Navarre AGAIN, the Legendary Banner depends on the other units overall 2018 better pick up more content for Heroes.
Well, I think in January 1st 2018 will be the version 2.1 update. This will probably bring a new Book 2 chapter and maybe new weapons to refine. Also, February is the 1 year anniversary of FE Heroes, so we will have at least a new FEH Channel in January about it. I can easily see a new Choose Your Legend or something like that.
Maybe with the 1 year anniversary we will have something special for the 3 main characters.
I would have like some Christmas baubles… in the shape of orbs! Seriously though, summoning is becoming a drag as well rather than something to look forward too. Bwa ha ha ha!
Changed my mind. + Atk Elincia with Heavy Blade seal. Tana will get Iote Shield since she’s the second bulkiest unit in my team after my Raventome S!Camilla.
Cool. Heavy Blade and Iote’s Shield will be fun additions. On the other hand, I think they probably could’ve been a little more generous than 2 refining stones…
Well it’ll probably be 2 x 7 = 14 and then double for the second week (4 x 7 = 28) as it usually does, for a total of 42. That’s not enough to refine even one weapon, so I wouldn’t call that generous for a two-week event
I was sorta hoping IntSys would give out a special Christmas gift, but seems they’re not that generous. TT is easy this time around despite not heaving any of the 40% bonus heroes; all that means is that I’m running through with Nowi and Masked Marth (who’s slowly gaining more +’s). Sacred Seals are really nice this time around though. Iote’s Shield is gonna help make more Fliers relevant with the massive amounts of B! Lyns plaguing the arena, and Heavy Blade is just OP.
Green and Colorless orbs, that’s what I want. I do not have any of the green units of this banner, and I want Elise but I need o get Bride Lyn too to give Elise her Candlelight. I do not have Innes too. I have all red units, so I will not try the red orbs. From blue, I only do not have Charlotte, so maybe I will try the blue orbs.
Hm… They did not say Gunnthra is a free unit, so maybe we all need to get her. And also, I think Gunnthra’s blessing is DEF.
Hmmm I’m a lot less excited about this if Gunnthra isn’t free, because I would love to finally replace my Cecilia. Even if she isn’t here, she might become free later on, unless they’re testing to see if people will spend for original units (I would not). I would almost certainly make her a Raven Adept user though.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I wouldn’t pull for her in that case seeing as I would have only a 1 in 3 chance after the 8%. I’m hoping that she’ll be free in a corresponding story event to be released later
Tbh, I think I’m gonna pass this banner. Not really interested in Gunnthra, and Amelia is the only character I would want merges on. Summer Corrin is probably coming within the next two months, so I’ll wait for that so I can fix my -Atk one. Good luck to anyone pulling!
Red pulls in the banner seems nice, I’d want either Ryoma or Sigurd, and the colorless has Elise so I can work towards finishing my Conquest team but Green and blue are underwhelming. What this has gotta mean though is that we’ll be getting an extension to the Book II story that details our new hero…whether that means she’s free or not. I hope she is, because I aint spending for her.
The Laslow, Florina and Bartre quests are nice; free orbs and some free fodder since none of them are particularly good…especially poor Florina.
And the survey is nice, hopefully this’ll lead to the community rallying together to ask for something. I personally want an added feature where you can change the Boon/Bane of you heroes. I finally pulled a W!Tharja, but she’s -ATK/+SPD, which sucks big time. Obviously it’ll be a feature that’ll require in game currency and will likely spawn a new kind along side the silver marks and refinery stones.
I have both Ryoma and Brave Roy, but Sigurd has been evading me on every banner he’s been on… so I’m probably doomed. Have to concur that Blue and Green aren’t that great. As I have Elise and am probably the only person who’s played FE 7 and doesn’t like Lyn… I think I might stay away from this banner altogether…
Gunnthra being free would be nice indeed. Otherwise I have my Cecilia.
I wouldn’t mind a Bridal Lyn since I think she’s a decent healer and a seasonal unit who’s limited, but I agree, Lyn is very overrated amongst the FE fanbase, and I got start with FE7 back when it first came out, so nostalgia aint an issue for me.
I like her, and her relationship with the tactician is memorable for first time players, but she’s not a strong character overall. I don’t really see how she’d be grating or why people really love her.
Gunnthrá is not a free unit, and no new story chapter to unlock her either, and I wasted almost all of the Orbs, and I couldn’t summon her… FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-!!
Figured they wouldn’t make Gunthra an FTP unit, but I’m more disappointed in there being nothing story or quest related for her. They want to see how many people are willing to go for original characters and see if they can make money off them…seems most don’t care for them if they’re not FTP.
At least I was able to quickly pull a Ryoma from this banner, and with the new banner coming up, I’m calling it quits instead of going for Elise or Sigurd since data mining has already confirmed the characters to be Takumi (dagger), Camilla (flying sword), M! Corrin (bow), and Azura (flying axe). Camilla will have her usual love-hate responses, but Azura’s the most interesting one seeing as her BST is lower than Camilla’s, which most likely means she’s gonna be our first flying singing unit, which if that’s the case…oh boy will the arena meta be shaken up.
when have they ever been afraid of backlash. most people don’t even realize that there’s a banner preview tomorrow/tonight and yet they’re spending their orbs. IS isn’t afraid to make profit.
Gunttra will be important in the story from the looks of it.
i’m not having ayra level of expectations. it’s just that i see wind blessing being a TT reward and it’d be redundant if you don’t have Gunttra as a free unit.
I’m not sure if it would just be because of backlash, though. The gacha laws in Japan are somewhat strict, so having a character that premiered as 5* exclusive that you have to ‘pay’ for suddenly become free might go against the laws there (though I’m no expert, so I could be off base a bit). The CYL units and also Fjorm were announced as free in advance and you could summon to get more, but we haven’t seen anything work the other way around yet, at least outside of 3* units (like the current hero quests), where ‘premium’ units suddenly become free.
Granted, it would be a nice New Years gift or something since they didn’t do much for Christmas, but I won’t hold my breath. I do think it foolish to release this character in advance/without any actual ties to the story, however. Sure, she was alluded to, but no new maps or anything to flesh out her story, and to just throw a new OC character on a banner where she shares a colour with not one but -two- old unit, no less doesn’t exactly inspire confidence for me! >_<
We already have theirs skills.
Azura, being a Flying dancer with Hone Fliers can be very useful.
Camilla is the one with the new skill “Spd Def Bond”
Corrin is a support character, with Rally Def Res and Spur Def Res
Finally, Takumi is a better Saizo. Also, I can easily see his Kagami Mochi being a weapon which can be refined. Maybe his refined dagger will have the same effect of a refined Smoke Dagger, which is amazing.
Four really good units. I will try to get all four, but my priority is Azura.
None of the new skills seen OP, but they do seem to gel well with the characters as a base kit.
-Camilla’s high Atk/Spd/Def will gel well with Spd/Def Bond. She’ll likely have a lot of versatility to her because of her stats, though I’d say a high Spd build is gonna be the most common one as she’ll easily be able to break 40 Spd and with Hone flyers be even faster that Mia or Ayra.
-Corrin’s Rally is good, but Corrin himself seems more like a enemy phase unit who’d probably be best as a Close Counter user due to his high Def, or even an anti-B!Lyn or Ayra/Mia unit with Bow or Sword Breaker. You’ll probably want to focus on further bulking him up with a +Def IV and +Def refined weapon making his Def 40.
-Takumi’s weapon is solid with it’s Killer effect making him more capable of dishing out damage to high Def units qith Moonbow, however his low Def will prove to hinder him against the usual Distant Counter units, just like all the other dagger units. So until they introduce the Firesweep dagger, dagger users will continue to be underwhelming in the current meta.
-Azura is a singer which is all she needs. Her base weapon is good support, plus her built in Hone Flyers makes her essential in Flyer Emblem teams, but even in normal teams she’ll be a major threat with her high Spd.
Flying singer would be neat, but I’ve never been able to get any version of Azura, since launch, so I consider myself somewhat cursed in that regard XD I got 5 Inigos trying to get the green one. But who knows. Maybe the third one will be the charm, or something.
Congrats on getting Ryoma. I guess I’ll just redeem the free summon and maybe try any other green or red orbs in that same pool, then leave it.
Good luck on getting Azura, I have both P! Azura and vanilla so I’ll definitely go for this one to add to the collection, but I’m most interested in my girl Camilla since I’m apparently one of the few that likes her for reasons other than her body.
Same here. I haven’t pulled this banner yet, but knowing there’s a Camilla coming up definitely changes my original battle plan of pulling with every Orb I get. Also, glad to see you have better taste in Camilla appreciation than most, you’re right about it being ridiculously uncommon.
I think Camilla has merit (based on her supports), but she was written badly, and to be fanservice, based on what they’ve highlighted about her with future portrayals. I don’t think there’s a way around that, but there was enough to have had a great character with a some effort and a little restraint. I actually think this of Tharja and Faye too, compared to others that seem so bland or so reliant on one character trait that they aren’t salvageable. That said, I don’t think that means people ought to like her more (just perhaps that they should understand that fanservice has opportunity cost)
One of the Gunnthrá’s Quotes is: “I wish that all of my siblings could live happily together. If only…”
So, there is at least one more Nifl’s prince/princess. At least one more Legendary Hero confirmed.
Nah, it’s probably gonna be Hoshido vs. Nohr as the next Voting Gauntlet, and New Years Corrin will probably be on that Hoshido Banner. But then again, he might be a reward for the upcoming January event.
“New Years Corrin will be given out as a reward during an event in January.”
Could be a Tempest Trial reward but we are in the middle of a trial right know, so having 2 trials one near the other is a little strange.
Grand Hero Battle, maybe? Or a new type of event?
For those of you don’t know what Corrin’s build is, take a look.
HP/37, ATK/32, SPD/30, DEF/34, RES/18
Weapon: Hama Ya+- Effective against flying foes. Grants Def/Res+2 during combat to allies within 2 spaces.
Support: Rally Def/Res- Grants Def/Res+3 to an adjacent ally until the end of the turn.
A: Attack Def +2- Grants Atk/Def+2.
C: Spur Def/Res 2- Grants adjacent allies Def/Res +3 during combat.
At first you might think he’s a mediocre unit, but his stats are similar to Leon and Leon is actually a pretty good unit. NY!Corrin might not have the advantage of having boons and banes as well has having 2 less attack than Leon, but Corrin has 4 more defense. Close counter archer builds would be pretty nice on him if only that skill wasn’t a premium skill.
I forgot that this was on the horizon, so even though I was trying to save up a bit for the new banner tomorrow, I decided I’d use these 9 unexpected orbs on the Legendary Hero banner. In a surprising twist of fate, I pulled a Brave Roy and a Fjorm! (decided to push my luck going for a third, but it was a 4* Olivia, at which point I stopped). Trying to decide whether or not to merge them into my existing units or pass their skills onto others.
Pulled my girl Camilla first try…-Spd though which really sucks, but she’ll be who I side with in the Voting Gauntlet. I’ll save up the orbs to try and go for Azura now and maybe a better IV Camilla.
Anyways, my guess for the popular choices in this gauntlet are Camilla, Azura, and Tharja…though that doesn’t really matter since winning seems to always come down timing, do they have it for the final hour. Especially since more people are aware of this exploit so they save up their flags.
Was Shadows of Valentia actually “widely praised”? I’m genuinely asking. Because I agree pretty much entirely with the blurb in the article (I didn’t read the initial reviews): I found it to be a worthy, if imperfect, addition to the series, but I actually don’t know what the general feeling in the community is (or how well it sold relative to expectations)
It’s funny because disregarding the graphics, I find gaiden to be a much more fun game than SoV for various reasons. It stuck closely to the original gameplay, which is fine, but it also scrapped and rebalanced quite a lot of features that made the game a complete slog. Plus it’s arguably necessary to grind in order to progress, which should never be the case in a FE game. Even if you get through the main part, there is still the new act which is completely absurd if you haven’t grinded.
Yes, I agree in fact. The whole game felt like a slog to play a lot of the time. Terrain bonuses, swamps, and monster spawns (both from cantors and in dungeons) never made the game harder, only longer, and the way they handle weaponry, leveling up, and experience from enemies did not make that length feel rewarding in the end. And I agree that none of those things really had to be this way if they wanted to retain some of the odd Gaiden game mechanics. Still, I thought the presentation was beautiful and that the game had one of the stronger casts.
I keep returning to this point, but IS is in a fortunate place where they could be bridging the divide between pre and post 3DS Fire Emblem, or at least leveraging Fire Emblem’s current popularity to draw attention to and occasionally touch up the older games. But they have largely decided against doing that, instead keeping a balance largely in favor of the 3DS era and its style, while seemingly oblivious to how crucial it was to make stylistically traditional games like SoV accessible.
Likewise, I keep bringing up that the waifus are too profitable to ditch fully. For a lot of new fans, that’s what they’d expect when getting into future titles as well. Even the devs were uncertain about the reception SoV would get from these fans, but as you mentioned the presentation and added supports were the saving grace, I suppose. I also realise that people play the games for different reasons, but there are certain features that should always be in a FE game no matter what. If there was no unforgiving progression curve and focus on resource management, there would be no reason to play the games. Except if you play the games for the shipping, which is a major fault. As Awakening and to a lesser extent Fates proved, it’s hard to maintain both aspects without having at least one of them being half-assed and tacked on (which is why Fates got two versions in the first place).
My biggest wish for the Switch game is that: 1. Avatar is scrapped, 2. S rank supports are scrapped, 3. Children are scrapped, and 4. No potential for grinding. All of them won’t happen, obviously, but if they would, and development time were put elsewhere, we would get a really amazing game I feel.
I concur with the Avatar being scrapped again, or, if not, being a non-playable unit, like in FE 7. But I doubt that’ll happen as a lot of players like having that sort of self-insert character.
I’d be fine with S rank supports as long as they would only be available for a limited pool of characters, sort of like the paired endings in some of the older games. The way it is now makes supports almost meaningless what with having to keep all options open and all supports potentially romantic…
Children only if it’s a FE 4 remake. Or we get a true generation cut like that again, no more time travel or alternate dimension shenanigans.
Grinding could be optional again like in the Outrealms in Awakening (or the skirmishes in FE 8, but avoidable, or with an option to switch them off entirely, but balancing might get tricky).
I guess it would be possible to please both sides, as long as people don’t get upset about parts of the game they can ignore if they don’t want them.
The casual mode for example, I’d never play but as long as classic is available I don’t see how there’s any reason to complain about it. A bigger playerbase in the end benefits all as it means more sales and so more games in the future.
I mean, you kinda hit the nail on its head there with why FE13 is one of the worst in the series. Terrible story, tropey characters and supports, infinite grinding, and bad overall gameplay. The grinding on its own broke the game completely, which is why I prefer easy modes to casual since it gives the player a taste of what the series is about, without being too punishing. Grinding destroys the game for everyone as you can’t possible hope to balance a game around tight progression while at the same time allowing people to level their units whenever they want (look at lunatic being completely impossible to beat with no deaths and grinding, if you don’t achieve very specific level ups early game).
It’s not really a good FE game anymore if you can grind for things. It’s good that you brought up FE8, because before FE13 it was my least favourite in the series for similar reasons, bias aside. The moment you can farm experience and gold, while at the same time going back on any mistake you make, the whole idea behind lasting consequences is wiped out. In FE13 there’s a way to make up for any mistake, so you can play it at a disgustingly relaxed pace. People say it’s optional, but the core gameplay will be the same whatever way you play, which as I said breaks the game for people like me who want a typical FE experience.
A few things I’d add to that.
For one, with testing time and resources being scarce, the modes that will be tested the most are those with the biggest playerbase, so difficulties like Lunatic receive the least attention and consequently are often the worst when it comes to balancing. You also have to take into account that it’ll be very hard to find suitable playtesters who can test these modes but aren’t so deep into the game they know to anticipate every move of the AI and therefore can’t give accurate player feedback (e.g. developers/level designers playtesting). Balancing at this point becomes almost impossible, whether you factor in grinding or not it’s going to end up some kind of broken one way or another.
For me personally the challenging tactical gameplay is not the main draw. I do enjoy it but it seems obvious it’s a much higher priority to you.
I also found the pair up feature to break FE 13 more than the grinding. I’ve not played Lunatic, but on lower difficulties it wasn’t mandatory to grind to get through the game.
That being said I did find it amazingly easy compared to older games, maybe I should’ve played on a higher setting. The one-note characters and lackluster story disappointed me more. And yet I prefer them to Fates’ cast.
What you say about having the option to grind ruining the game in your opinion is kind of what I meant about only being able to please both sides if people are able to not get upset about optional things they don’t like.
I absolutely agree that if grinding is possible and it also becomes necessary that goes completely against what FE should be, or at least, used to be. But if I can take it or leave it and some people prefer to overlevel instead of playing strategically then so be it, I’ll leave it and they can have it.
Maybe it’s not as “true” to the original experience but as long as there’s no need to change your own playstyle I’d say it’s not worth being upset about.
Although I think the casual and easy modes should be enough to allow all players to not need to grind. Then again, some people play just for the story, characters and the matchmaking, and might not be strategy game players at all, maybe not even RPG. Personally I think they should find games more suitable to their preferences, but I can understand IS wanting/needing to sell as many games as possible.
I’d definitely agree with you, in the way that at some point the core gameplay becomes so diluted they may as well make just another clone of generic JRPG X instead of another FE game.
What way is there in FE 13 to make up for any mistake? Do you maybe mean FE 15?
If you do, I thought it wasn’t a bad solution at all. It _is_ optional. You need never use it. True it’s there and it’s tempting, but no one’s making you use it.
As for your earlier point about Lunatic being impossible with no deaths. That sort of contradicts your own arguments. Permanent deaths used to always be a feature. True, most of us probably reset the chapter to find a way to keep everyone alive, since we like the characters or the challenge. But arguably that’s not the point?
It would be more logical to accept the death and move on, after all, that’s what some of the characters recruited later on are there for, to replace fallen characters. The games used to be balanced around the fact that you do lose units during gameplay. And might even ultimately fail, if you lose too many and can’t beat the remaining chapters.
So saying that Lunatic is broken because it’s impossible to do without any deaths seems to me to be a contradiction. But I’ve not played it.
I guess maybe it is impossible after all to please both sides 🙂
It’s always impossible to please everyone, but I’d hope it’s possible to please many and still remain FE.
(I got a message that I couldn’t reply to a deleted post, so I’ll just post my reply here instead)
I think you’re missing the point a bit regarding grinding. Sure, you’re capable of grinding in most titles through the arena, but it’s not the same as having the option available to you at every time, after every map and whenever you want, even if it doesn’t make logical sense plotwise. But the concept of FE, as in the features of the game that people play the game for, doesn’t suit grinding.The three main features that should always be in the players mind when playing a FE game are experience from kills, management of items and gold, and the individuality of units. That’s what I meant with making up for any mistake, because Awakening lets you get legacy units if someone dies, and you can farm experience and gold as mentioned. And that’s only taking into consideration that you’re playing Classic; casual is an even worse offender since it scraps all three of those aspects completely. The turnwheel is something I dislike as well, but it’s not something I bother with because it’s clearly designed with newcomers in mind, and it’s also not infinite. The grinding in FE15 is bad, but not as much so as in FE13, because rebalancing an entire game is too big a task for a reimagining. But that’s another argument.
Permadeath has always been the main feature, and that’s also what I’m arguing for. Being able to reset the game when something goes wrong is something that people have always been able to abuse, but that doesn’t really mean all the other smaller choices you make throughout the game become insignificant. That’s because you can’t go back on how you’ve spent your resources or what units you’ve chosen to train, or what supports you’ve decided on. If you’re capable of maxing those resources regardless all those little choices do become insignificant. So you’re right, if people don’t want a game with lasting consequences, then they can just go play another fucking game. FE has always been about these small choices piling up to become something big, which makes each playthrough unique, and ignoring those things are outright offensive. Everything is built on these consequences, from the permadeath to the forced forward progression, which is also why I dislike the games with free roaming maps.
At the same time, you bring up ironmanning. That’s one of the things FE13 fails completely in, because in previous games the concept of permadeath was completely fair and balanced, because if someone died, you could replace them no matter what. You always got a prepromoted unit that could take their place with minimal investment, which is a decent compromise. In FE13 you get about four prepromotes in total that’re completely useless since they can only support the avatar. This breaks what made permadeath fair in the older games, because now you can’t really replace them as easily without, you guessed it, stopping to grind up other underleveled units. This also slows down the progression of the game a lot, and it basically forces you to either play Classic with resets or casual which just negates the entire mechanic anyway.
I originally played FE13 on Lunatic since I’m a veteran, but the moment I realized the stat inflations are effectively as bad as in FE10’s HMs, I backed down to Hard to enjoy a more balanced experience and not Frederick Emblem. However, jokes on me because as you pointed out the pair up mechanic renders the entire HM obsolete because you can effectively solo the entire game with just Chrom and Robin pairing up. But that’s not even the worst part, even if you play without pair up the game is clearly balanced with grinding and pairing up in mind, and the map objectives are nothing more than killing some guys in the same way you kill everyone else, which made me turn off my brain in nearly every encounter.
I could keep going but it would get too expansive. If they can just create another game like CQ, which is really good, I would be pleased. But mashing together both the casual stuff from BR and the hardcore stuff from CQ will get you nothing more than yet another shitty Awakening.
For some reason my post got marked as spam, I have no idea why, we’ll see if it gets undeleted.
Well, as I’ve already agreed, (obligatory) grinding goes against the core idea of FE. I’ve not played Lunatic or too many hard modes, so I don’t have your experience in how they play. While I’ve played these games for over a decade, like I said, the challenging tactical gameplay isn’t the main draw for me, which is where your assumption that those are “the features of the game that people play the game for” doesn’t work for me.
Obviously people play these games for different reasons. Also the older ones. There’s more to the games than those gameplay features. I think you noted that before yourself, although I think you then applied it only to those people who play since FE 13 and play for completely different reasons than those of us who’ve played the older titles as well and didn’t welcome the changes with and since FE 13 with open arms.
I’m certainly no big fan of FE 13, I think between us we’ve listed most of what was wrong with it. Prepromotes as well as legacy characters, as you point out, lack support options. On higher than normal difficulty those missing supports are bound to hurt.
I’ve not had time to play Conquest yet. I started with Birthright as I intended to play all three campaigns and wanted to start with the weakest and work my way up to the best one. Unfortunately I then ran out of time, other games claimed my attention and finally my 3DS broke. I will get around to it someday.
While I find the Fates characters to be even more one note than the Awakening ones, and the supports no better, I did like the maps and objectives better, even in Birthright, than in Awakening, and the pair up not as broken.
So even if it’s not perfect it’s an improvement.
Maybe they’ll find an even better way for the upcoming FE 16.
Well, by extension both of our playstyles are affected. My main gripe with FE13 is that it’s a poorly designed game at it’s core. And, just like in FE11, when this is applied to the more difficult modes, the stitches fully let go.
Not even on the easier modes is it a good FE game, and is the reason why doing what FE7 did is the better option. Somehow, it messed up both being a good game for newcomers to the series and being the franchise’s swansong. In FE7 on the other hand, you have a rigid tutorial which shows new players the ropes while not being overly difficult. It also teaches those players about more advanced features in an easy to understand manner, which is also seen in how you can transition between Lyn’s tutorial and Eliwoods NM without much trouble. In addition to that, you can’t really unintentionally get stuck, as the game keeps assisting you throughout the playthrough by giving you strong prepromotes, and early game Oswin and Marcus are effectively blessed by the goddess of immortality. In that vein FE13 doesn’t teach the player well at all. Quality over quantity is what to take from it.
BR is better than FE13, but it’s also more of FE13. It still has a crap story, but mechanics are indeed better. However, it’s CQ that makes those features shine by virtue of its good map design and actual smart difficulty balance, which is not really present in BR. It would be great if CQ was used as the standard moving forward, but as reviewers shat on the game in Japan because it was too different from their precious Awakening that’s not too certain even if it got better reception here in the west. I’d definitely recommend you to play it when you get the chance to. It’s up there with FE3, 7 & 12.
The thing is that I like when the entries in the series are unique and do their own thing (FE4, 5, 10, CQ). They’re all great games, even though they’re not necessarily like the original FE experience as established in FE3. However, when that uniqueness takes away from a well designed experience, then I’m gonna have a problem. If FE16 cannot do its own thing without it being a clusterfuck like FE13, then it should just revert to being a standard experience.
“Plus it’s arguably necessary to grind in order to progress”
Thankfully you expressed this phrase in this way, because it wasn’t for me.
Unless you want to take the Dracoshield from Desaix or Jedah, no grinding is required, and these are optional challenges.
The game has many flaws, one being it’s difficulty, which is easy even on hard if you use everything you receive; dlc itself being atrocious; but no, I don’t agree that grinding was necessary at all,
Oh yea, some people were able to defeat Thabes without grinding and losing units, that wasn’t my case, I tried it and ended up with 3 deaths (luckly there is the revival fountain), but even the hardest challenge in the game isn’t that big.
I see. I suppose it depends a bit on your playstyle. However, grinding in this case refers to both forced skirmishes and the battles you run into in dungeons. If you completed the game without those I’ll give you some credit, but it’s effectively impossible to avoid them as well. I did my best to avoid them (when I couldn’t, I gave the exp to units I didn’t use), but I came to a halt near the end of the original final act with Celica. On the contrary, I never had this issue in Gaiden, which I managed to beat largely without grinding (they’re forced on you each time you want to promote).
Nintendo said they were satisfied with how well it sold. We don’t know exact total numbers so that’s anyone’s guess, but I’ll take Nintendo’s word for it until otherwise.
While I don’t know about widely praised, it did overall get more praise than disdain.
A salute to the end of this worthy year in Fire Emblem. If I may add my own commentary(sit back, this’ll be a big one)…
First off, you misspelled glamorous. Just had to start off that way because that’s how I am.
Second, in a way, we’re lucky Super Money Raker and MiiFaceBook ended up contributing to Heroes’ delay, otherwise this year wouldn’t have been quite as epic seeing as how we’d be saying Heroes released last year instead of this year, and somehow having to say that takes a bit of the wind out of the sails as it were. I do remember those early days with 50 Stamina(funnily enough, I remember thinking at the time that there was no way I’d ever run out of Stamina with a whole freaking 50), and even though we’ve lost some of the fun of the early stages of a game if you ask me – such as the days when I could be proud just to own a Camilla without having to try to think Boon/Banes through and the like – we’ve also added SO much, like the Skill Inheritance that means I can use my Roy during Voting Gauntlets without feeling like I’m sticking my fellows fighters with a garbage Unit. Now if only we could get the Eight Legends…
Thirdly, I was glad to see SoV happen, and not just because it meant Roy might get his own chance to go national without Smash in the future – Alm and Celica were the two non-FE6 Einherjar I was the most curious about in Awakening, and I was grateful for the chance to get their story, even if it meant I had to endure the train wreck that was Jedah’s plan, and I got some conceptual backstory ideas for Awakening’s time as well, with three new additions to my Waifu List and the Cipher DLC to boot! All in all, a grand game opening even grander possibilities(Re:Elibe when?).
Fourth, Warriors…ah, Warriors. To begin, there was no Roy-er, I mean, there was no consistency! All the Devs’ statements just made me more ticked off at them, at Nintendo, at the games not being featured, at the games BEING featured, etc., but in the end, they managed to deliver a decent game that I definitely enjoyed for, among other reasons, giving characters like Chrom and Elise a chance to take center stage mid-battle(HOLY CRAP LISSA IS FUN BTW). While it wasn’t as balanced as it could have been, I still managed to appreciate almost every character they added(all except Celica for personal reasons). My hopes for the next couple years include a Warriors 2 featuring Roy and I guess Ike, better PR, and of course a Wave 2 DLC for Warriors 1 with a pack featuring three different Anna(Tellius Peg. Knight, Awakening Trickster, and Heroes Commander) for all our money-saving needs.
Finally, Cipher…give me a minute. Pardon my emotion, but I was really certain they’d internationalize it this year. The Cipher DLC in SoV has kept my hope burning bright, but it’s still disappointing to not be able to teach people because they’re scared off by the language barrier, even with my assurances that translations were easy to access. I’ll stop here because this post is already ridiculously long, but let’s just say I’ll keep hoping all next year, however blindly, and look forward to seeing the Cipher 4, plus our new friends Alice and Valjean, make more appearances in future FE games(coughFESwitchIScough).
So with that said, happy new year everyone, may your Lunatic-Classic campaigns be casualty-free and your Normal-Casual runs be ever enjoyable!
It was a great year. Heroes continues to develop for better (new features, the free summon, etc.) and worse (the nonsense with Ayra), and my hopes is that they continue on the better parts. As much of a bore as the gameplay in SoV was, I was happy to see a small part of the community get a game they could really like as well as see the start of what I hope to be the ‘Echoes’ moniker…like for our boy Roy. I only hope that the devs learn from this project the things they need to improve for the eventual next remake. Warrior was a lot of fun, despite the lack of diverse FE rep, I would’ve really have like to have seen Laguz characters or my FE8 waifu Tethys, but I like the Awakening and Fates characters so I didn’t care that is was only rep’d by those games + Shadow Dragon.
Here’s to 2018, let’s hope FE Switch comes out sooner than later.
Warriors was surprisingly a lot of fun to play, but I’m not sure how I feel about Heroes now that we’re out of its initial grace period and it’s starting to feel like any given gacha.
I am glad about Shadows of Valentia personally, because I think it was the best presentation we’ve seen from Fire Emblem, and I ultimately think (hope) that they will be able to return to the gameplay that has been one of the consistent strengths of the series while bringing that presentation with them. Of course, less optimistically, to your point, they also provided further evidence that we probably can’t trust them to write a coherent narrative, much less catch the lightning in a bottle that was Tellius a second time. I think I would rather they return to the less ambitious but at least coherent plots of the GBA games. Fire Emblem has been a horribly inconsistent series for some time though, following Tellius with the dreadful Shadow Dragon remake (and its less dreadful sequel), then Awakening and Fates, and now Shadows of Valentia. I feel like a lot of people thought that they had their niche cornered with the GBA games, if we weren’t going to expect them to pivot to Tellius-style epics. I’d like to see them release a few games styled after Blazing Sword or Sacred Stones and see where that takes the series.
I think Geneology has to be the next Echoes, if there is one (and there has to be, even if it’s not currently planned. The idea and brand are too good to waste). But Binding Blade could be about as likely, and I personally think it would benefit from the Echoes treatment a bit more than Geneology.
It was the best of times and the worst of times for Fire Emblem, I felt.
I’m glad the series is bigger than ever and we got no less than 3 Fire Emblem titles out this year…
…That said, it seems all the attention went to the mobile game, the spin-off, and the trading cards and FEESoV (I guess we’re not gonna call it FE15?) was forgotten in two months. I’m not angry or anything, just fascinated that the “main series” game was swept aside in favour of non-canon side projects. It’s really a far cry from Awakening’s treatment (or Fates’), we were talking about that for years after…
It does help to know the general consensus on FE15 is that it was too faithful to the weak aspects of FE2, or in other words it was a *well-polished feces.* I suppose that makes me a minority when I say Mae is my new favourite female FE character and that even if FE15 had bad bones, the immersion level was pretty awesome out of an FE game–the best (immersion) since FE10.
It does bug me that they’re shipping more the characters from Awakening and Fates these days than the peeps from the older games… Warriors is more guilty of that than the others, of course. I guess that’s to be expected, so I’m not really *that* bothered. I’ll just cherish my poor, obscure characters all alone. T_T
😉 I hope 2018 is an even better year for Fire Emblem!! That is, I hope FE Switch is awesome and has the great characters and mechanics we crave from our Fire Emblem.
Bruh. I don’t think you’ve noticed how much they secretly hate Roy. You’re hardly alone, we’re just crying on opposite sides of the door! But yeah, in all seriousness, it’s getting a touch ridiculous how much they push Awakening and Fates over just about all the other titles.
Way to start things off with a bang. Lots of orbs, let’s see if I can get a NY! Azura…and no…just the usual batch of Bartre, Barst, and Cecilia. Really hope IS demotes some more heroes into the 3/4* pool so that we can get more than the same 5 heroes.
I’m really hoping they’ll demote a bunch of heroes for the anniversary. Seems like it would be a good time to do it, and it’s not all that far away now either!
That’s it, not getting Gunnthrá or any of the New Years Heroes is where I draw the line, I’m saving my Orbs for a whole month! If I see any unimportant Banners, I’m skipping those, after my free summoning, of course!
Ugh! Don’t mention her. I got two Spring Chroms, which is something I guess, but I do feel cheated and Orb poor. Still, a flying singer… and I hate to think how many orbs I wasted for Performing Olivia.
I got Camilla and Azura, and I am happy with it.
Hahaha, my flying emblem team have only special units: Spring Camilla, Summer Corrin, New Year Camilla and New Year Azura.
Now I have Takumi too! I think this is the first time I got all heroes from a banner during it’s period.
I am thinking to give Takumi the Windsweep skill. He will use it well. Also, he will do a great pair with Gunnthrá.
Rhajat looks more like a Reinhardt counter to me.
Not that it’s hard baiting and defeating Reinhardt with any fast green mage with reasonable resistance.
As I 20 year fan I’m glad the franchise wasn’t axed with awakening which was the rumors. It’s definitely one of my favorite franchises of all time I just wish heroes and warriors didn’t focus so much on awakening and fates but hey I can’t complain
This VG is baffling me….I’m positive Lissa was of last minute multiply (which happened)…..I don’t hate her but this whole thing was off anyway definetly hope Azura wins this especially with her already big power and definite power of other migrating over even though it wasn’t the dream waifu match that should’ve happen.
Well, it looks like Tharja’s winning streak has come to an end, no third Voting Gauntlet victory for her. But, Azura is still gonna win, because I voted for her. Still, I’m impressed that Lissa beat Tharja, I guess the underdog does prevail sometimes.
Technically, it is because of an underdog thing, and it so happens that underdogs like Lissa can sometimes beat the one who’s mostly popular. But I doubt she can beat Azura in the finals.
Probably a salty supporter thats losing its ok….also legit popularity through points is better than some cheap crutch because a character is not really popular…
Hey, It’s Paralogue 7: Part 3 on lunatic for the -Clear P7-3 on Lunatic- Quest (as the name says, haha)
And yeah, I know some people is happy to see Tharja lose, but it was unfair- Lissa was in bonus like 80% of the time. Oh well.
The bonus multiplier is a terrible way to handle things in the VG. It makes the popular side feel robbed if they loose and the underdog feel unaccomplished for winning since nothing is earned. It also makes the entire round up until the final few hours pointless since the winner is determine by whoever has the bonus multiplier for the final hour (or 2 in the more extreme cases).
Didn’t expect Team Lissa to win either round 1 or 2, but what do you know. I’ve contributed my fair share.
If she wins the gauntlet that’ll be the first time I was on the winning team for all three rounds.
And here I was planning to join Robin or Tharja after Lissa lost to either one of them.
At least they should give us new orbs by completing again. I already completed this BHB before, I cannot get the orbs by completing again. I only got the orbs from the quests.
In January 15th the Happy New Year will complete 2 weeks, so we will propably see a new banner. But, in my opinion, it will not be something for the game anniversary yet. We will probably have a FEH Channel near the end of the month with more information about the game’s anniversary.
Also, we never spent a whole month without a game update… We’re still in version 2.0. The game’s anniversary will brings us the 2.1 version, I think…
I believe there will be another legendary hero banner near the end of this month. At least, it was said that January would hold another opportunity to get Fjorm and Gunnthra.
I will say this… trying to rank top 5,000 in TT is getting far more difficult with this much new content being released. It’s not even a matter of stamina and potions anymore, just the amount of time I have to play the game! I’m perfectly fine with a small lull in new content if they really amp it up at the anniversary; the game will feel far more fresh then. Regardless, more orbs are ALWAYS welcome.
The thing is that I use two separate accounts on Heroes, one for each of my NNIDs, but only have one iPod and so switch between the two accounts once a week to try and keep up with content. It means, among other things, that I always miss half of a Voting Gauntlet with each account as my switchover day has to be Thursday due to my schedule, meaning it’s right in the middle of any Gauntlet they run. In addition, the account switching combined with the fact that I only have an iPod not an iPhone and thus can only play when I have access to both free time and WiFi means that I have difficulty getting even to Iote’s Shield, since the main place I get WiFi is my work so I only have time to do maybe one TT run a day because I have to do it on break.
Yeah… I understood your situation. I didn’t get why you have 2 accounts, but I got why you do nto have time to play. I got surprised they decided to do a Voting Gauntlet and a Tempest Trial at the same time, because it never happened before.
*sigh* The content train seems to keep on missing its stop (and don’t fool yourselves, Tempest Trials, Voting Gauntlets, BHB Revival, and GHB Reruns do NOT count as new content. Its the same monotonous stuff). But you guys do know there’s a way you can cheese through getting 100,000 points? I reached it 2 days ago and my friend who showed me reached it like a week ago. Just do you typical 2 battles on the x3 point multipliers on the hardest level. Then, just Auto Battle your way through the TT doing the 3rd hardest from the top difficulty. I forgot what settings you need to put it on, but my friend showed me a way to set it up so that you can do auto battle continuously without having to go back each battle. Then, once 5 maps are done, do it again (obviously be doing something else while doing this. Multi-task people). Make sure you have a healer on your team (without an attack skill, so they just heal), and make sure your other 3 have enough ability to tank at least most hits on their own when the computer decides to put them in stupid positions. A bonus unit would make things go smoother. Because each battle I get around 430 points with my Christmas Chrom. Just keep on repeating. You just need a bunch of stamina pots (I still like have around 160).
Yikes – after the Tempest Trial and Re hash of the bound hero battle I was expecting something interesting like maybe Corrin, but this? Thats quite a lot of Anna work for a couple of measily orbs.
Looks like we’re in a bit of a slow period. I honstly don’t think this is too much cause for alarm, though. I’d rather just wait and see what the anniversary holds. I’ll be shocked if they don’t host a Feh Channel just prior to it. And as far as I’m concerned, Feh Channel hasn’t disappointed yet, so I’ll await it patiently. Not gonna call the game’s doom just yet, I think it’s a little too soon for that.
It’s likely that between whatever they do for New Year Corrin (unless Corrin is the anniversary gift) and the possible legendary hero banner coming, they aren’t totally dead in the water, but this slow patch is a little irritating, if only because it was avoidable. The only argument in favor of concern is the survey, which frankly suggested to me that they have no idea what they’re doing (because of the content not because of the survey existing). You might also think it was a bit unwise to go so long without a story update after the way they revealed Book 2
I can sympathize or agree with most of this, but I don’t quite see how the survey is indicative of them having no idea what they’re doing. You’re referring to them pitching ideas for new game modes and such to the player and asking for ideas of their own, I would guess? Given how the game’s been doing since it launched, I don’t (yet) feel all that inclined to doubt the dev team on their ability to expand and improve the game. I can’t be sure, of course, but I like to think that they were going to do a survey regardless, just to see where the game stands right now and what the public perception is like. At that point, why not ask those players if they have any thoughts and ideas? Might as well, seems like a good opportunity.
I think it’s always great to have surveys. For me, the issue was that the game modes they proposed were so wildly different from the kind of game we have currently. For example, everyone gets a town and gets to go and invade other people’s towns? That’s not even vaguely Fire Emblem. I guess there’s no harm in asking, and I’m not terribly familiar with gacha games, but it seems odd that this was even a suggestion, if they have their content planned out a long way as you’d hope. I didn’t think their other suggestions were anymore seamlessly applicable. I could add that nothing they suggested seems to address issues players appear to currently have with the game, but for me, the survey is merely evidence of concerning behavior. It does not prove it conclusively by any means and I’m not going to be alarmist about it. It’s just a primary reason that there’s a little bit of doubt in the back of my mind about their forethought and the sustainability of the model.
If the handling of Gunnthrá had been better, or even if the TT reward character had been new I’d be a little more forgiving. Even an interesting banner to spice things up on a dreary grey midwinter tuesday morning would have helped. This just feels tedious.
I actually enjoy these little breaks because it gives me time to breath. I can continue to try and beat chain challenege 11 & 12 or finally get shards for sacred seals. Never a moment wasted 🙂
I’m a huge Tellius fanboy, so I’m super hyped for this. You bet I’m pulling. I really wanna have Micaiah especially. Wouldn’t mind Sothe or Zelgius, either, though.
Heroes more often tries to emulate stat *distribution* rather than overall performance. Not always – sometimes they divert for the sake of diversity or for a particular gimmick – but fairly often nonetheless. If Seth were as good as he was in SS, he would be able to solo most of the stuff in the game, and that’d be a problem for obvious reasons.
In terms of distribution, though, Seth is quite accurate to how he is in Sacred Stones, with a well-balanced stat spread across the board, only with a dip in Resistance. The only inaccuracy, really, is how he has relatively low HP in Heroes, despite having a very high growth in Sacred Stones.
I am really surprised with this update. I did not expect it. My main goal in this banner is Sothe. And I still wait for refined Falchions in the game.
Also, a new Tempest Trial Mini are coming. It has Takumi in the logo, so I expect New Year Corrin to be the reward.
Finally! I’ve been waiting so patiently for Micaiah, and they didn’t even ruin her art! I don’t love it, but I’ll take it. With her, I’ll have pretty much rounded the cast of characters I was hoping to pick up (unless they plan on giving us Naesala or Lyon). I’d be really into a Haar, actually. Also, credit to the person who said Micaiah would be blue.
If it is, then I’m not good at it. I could’ve been convinced she was any color.
There are others I’d like to have, but I’m trying to manage my expectations based on who they might add and whether I can pull them. Marisa doesn’t strike me as one of their more obvious choices (I do think we need Duessel as another axe horse though), but maybe she’s more popular than I think. In any case, I’ll hope we see her, for your sake.
No, I doubt she’s more popular than any of the other myrm girls. In fact, Lyn, Mia, Ira, Hana & Fir are already in, and I feel as if Lakche, Machua and Mareeta are more popular within that particular archetype. That said, while Amelia is a popular character, her inclusion didn’t really make sense if you looked at the ones she shared banner with. So the next FE8 banner could very well include her, although I’m putting my money on Myrrh since we could use more manaketes. That or another Grado general as you said.
Honestly, I see another FE8 banner being -another dragon loli- Myrrh, -fan favorite- L’archel (most likely as a healer with high ATK and RES stats, but comes with Candelight because on both routes you recruit her she comes with the Torch Staff). For the boys I would go with -mancandy- Cormag (plus he would be the first male wyvern rider in Heroes….that wasn’t evil), and either Ewan, Ross, or Dussel.
Micaiah is a hard meta counter to all the armor and horsies…and Zelgius is yet another line in the gradual BTS power creeping. Sothe, like with NY!Takumi, is trying soooo hard to be meta relevant.
Also, Oliver’s damaged illustration, it is beautiful.
Fun fact – provided that the calcs that a buddy of mine ran are accurate – in her base kit, if you were to stick Deflect Missile 3 on her, Micaiah can actually counter Brave Bow Brave Lyn up to some extent of merges and buffs. It’s not infallible, but just the fact that she *can* do this to some extent is just really funny to me. Mulagir is no problem, because she’ll take that one hit thanks to Thani, and just bomb Lyn into oblivion right after.
Some people intentionally remove the weapon from their Voting Gauntlet Lead either to sabotage the team they joined because they actually want the other guy to win or else because they run a Staff Lead and don’t want it attacking for whatever reason. There are also those who do so unintentionally, like people trying to grind SP off the Warrior maps.
Goodness, only two 5*s? Did you snipe for her? I only have about 120 orbs so I decided not to pull this time, better off waiting for something I want more.
Ah not quite. There was also a Brave Lucina and a Tana in there, but I didn’t think they were relevant and they aren’t much of a consolation, if I’m honest. I don’t really use the Brave Lucina I already have, and I prefer Valter as my lance flier
This was my first and last time I am willing to spend heavy cash for a banner, 350 orbs later 2 Micaiah(+Def/-Spd; +ATK/-Def), 2 Sothe (+Spd/-Def ; +Spd/-Res) , 2 Zelgius (-Atk/+Def; +Res/-Hp).
Have to say though those three are very strong, Micaiah Amor/Rider Killer, Sothe the perfect blade supporter and Zelgius the feared OP unit from Radiant Dawn.
Honestly I just wanted Micaiah, she was one of my fav units in FE Radiant Dawn, in every run I’d max her.
Only Oliver (Champion of Beauty) then the RD team is set, still dissapointed that he doesn’t have a personal tome (Valaura e.g.)
In 60 Orbs, I got a 5-stars Nephenee (Wrath is always good to have), a 5-stars Roderick (I didn’ have him yet, so that’s a good thing), and a +Atk/-Def Sothe (He is the one I wanted).
I will try to get Micaiah, but I am already happy with my results.
Although I am slightly disappointed Gunnthra didn’t appear as a free unit, it seems that she’ll join the main party much later. At that point I think you’ll get her for free. Not my best session. 100 orbs and I only got 1 Micaiah with decent IVs (+def -res). Would’ve wanted Sothe, but I can get pitied by him or try for him in another banner.
To be fair, it wouldn’t make sense for Gunnthrá to join you now. Granted, I’m not expecting it to happen to begin with, but it *could* still happen. Remember, story-wise, the Askr group is now travelling to Nifl, but haven’t made it there yet. Gunnthrá is at Nifl. If they intend to give us a free Gunnthrá at some point at all, it’ll probably only be once the Askrians actually reach Nifl.
Seeing as we’ve only had one mini TT and that old SS are forgable after some time in the SS forge, I doubt that they’ll rerun old seals. Plus we got a new seal in Hector’s TT. One more thing. Someone hacked the time in the game and was able to find special maps that unlock refining stones
Y’know, this is the first time that a free unit you get gives a generous 40% scoring bonus. All the other free units like Masked Marth, Clive, Black Knight, etc., only give 20%. I call this a generous gift for all players to have.
This is not a hard Grand Hero Battle. Both Hard and Lunatic I won in my first try. Infernal I won in my second try.
Also, Mirror Strike 2 at 4 stars is great! Now I have 2 Mirror Strikes to use in someone.
I have to aggree, it was the same for me. Hard and Lunatic on first try and Infernal I had to give it a second.
While Mirror Strike 2 at 4 stars is great, I’m also really happy about Atk Ploy, even though it’s locked to 5 stars. That’s because I don’t want to fodder my only Katarina and I don’t have any Summer Leo. And I won’t even feel bad for using him as fodder lol
Wasn’t that difficult honestly, did hard and lunatic on my first go and infernal took a few tries as I figured out how to trial and error it. Mirror strike is a decent for SI, but not too impressive, but I’ll take the free heroes and feathers.
The are… not really alike though? Berwick Saga is such a weird game (in a very good way) that it is pretty much its own thing, while TRS is much more FE-esque.
This is megaton! I have played the game with the Chinese translation and it is such a delightfully refreshing game, especially for FE veterans who want something different. I will be thrilled if more English speakers gets to play this wonderful game and am looking forward to more active discussion of the game once this translation project comes to fruition in the future. Kudos to everyone involved, you guys are doing Naga’s work:) Keep it up.
Can’t wait to see who gets kidnapped and turned into a sex slave in THIS Saga game! Or what (assuredly very high) percentage of the female playable cast are very specifically age 15!
I really liked this TT. The maps are fun, which is not something I could say from the last one.
I am not sure about Seal Atk, but Def Ploy is a great seal, and QUICK RIPOSTE?! Amazing!
Also, this is the first time a seasonal unit is a free unit and this is the first time we see a 4-stars seasonal unit too.
No worries, I understand he’s not a particularly memorable unit. I tried to get the most out of him and found with 40 defense and Swordbreaker, he can be called in to check Ayra and such during Arena Assault. Although, the trenches look like they will change that
I’m just trying to figure out why you replied to my comment in the first place when someone else already corrected me, and was checking to see if you had missed seeing the comment. There’s no call to try and bite my head off for that, though I will admit I should have worded it in a nicer fashion and apologize for that.
My thoughts exactly…though it’s been collapsing for a while with Heavy Blade becoming a SS and Quicken Pulse way back allowing for Reinhardt Moonbow shenanigans…the meta will perpetually be breaking.
I am gonna keep all the orbs for the next banner. Sorry Micaiah, next time I will try to summon you… but for now, I prefer not.
Also, I want to know what type of Legendary Hero we will have next. Gunnthrá is a great unit. My duo Gunnthrá and NY!Takumi with Smoke Dagger are doing a amazing job in Arena.
From January 30 to March 13, we will have the EARTH season for blessings. When Fjorm was released, we had 5 weeks with Wind Season, and when Gunnthrá was released we had 5 weeks Water Season. Having 5 weeks of Earth Season probably means the next Legendary Hero will be a Earth Hero. And he/she is coming probably in the last week of January.
But you said the five Wind Seasons coincided with Fjorm’s release in your first comment, while here it’s five Water Seasons coinciding with Fjorm. Just wanted to double-check that, thank you for the followup.
What is your build for Gunnthra and how are you employing her? I got one from my free summon on her banner (first time I got lucky with a free summon) but I haven’t really found a good use for her yet, still using my 4*+8 Cecilia, at least on horsie emblem.
I use Gunnthrá in 2 different teams: a horse emblem team and a varied team.
Her best use is in the varied team, because I also use my New Year Takumi, with Refined Smoke Dagger+ and Windsweep. After attack, Takumi will inflicts Atk/Spd/Def/Res-6 on the target and foes within 2 spaces of target. Because he has Windsweep, most of the enemies will not counterattack him (espectially the unit who received the Spd-6 from Gunnthrá’s Chilling Seal). Now, Gunnthrá will do more damage on enemies, thanks to her Blizzard Tome. With a Dancer, she can kill 2 units in the same turn. I can easily kill units like Black Knight, Hector and Brave Lyn with this.
Thanks for the information, I’ll give it a try if I ever have a proper debuffer.
As for easily taking care of Hector and Brave Lyn, my Cecilia can usually do that too 🙂 at least on a horsie team.
Outside of that Nino is still my go to green tome user. Kills basically anything.
A new banner type is a refreshing change of pace, and I hope this means IS will experiment with more kinds in the future. I’d be particularly happy with a summoning focus inspired by LLSIF’s Step-Up Scouting, where there are three incremental stages of summoning with the last guaranteeing a 5 star. Focuses that restrict the pool to specific entries of the franchise would also be great.
I love this banner idea. I would love it even more if the 4* units were exclusive like the legendary banners. Even still, I pulled 3 Hinata, 3 Setsuna, and 3 Klein on relatively few orbs. With all the 5* I have and the relatively paltry chance of pulling them, I actually prefer getting value this way
Faye’s face looking around for Alm and Tobin and Gray’s expressions…I freaking love this Manga.
As for the Summoning Focus…you finally have 4S Focus Units and you waste spaces on Laslow and Barst? Like most of these things, I’ll take my free shot and pass the rest up waiting for Idunn and Limstella.
This is a great idea, it really is, but frankly I need to hold onto my orbs for now. Still, this was a pretty creative idea and frankly I would love to see this again, maybe with less fodderable units but starring units that come at 4 and 5 star that are decent but not amazing?
This is hype, Lyon GHB, new banners, free stuff, another tempest trial mini and a new CYL? I’m assuming that, while they won’t discourage people from choosing the characters they want, they’ll probably refrain from making more versions of past winners so as to not get repetitive. Already know which characters I’m focusing on for my vote: Ranulf, Tibarn, Shinnon, Benny (all hale the one true god), Camilla, Nino, Jaffar, Tethys, Gerick.
I think I’m missing the point of a new CYL. Wouldn’t the characters who scored just below the winners be overwhelmingly likely to win this time around? I mean, I’ll vote for my laguz favorites (Naesala, Ranulf, Skrimir, Reyson, etc.), but it’s hard to see them overcoming Tharja, Camilla, Chrom, etc.
I think the people who vote will be different this time. Previously it was the old FE fanbase, this time it’ll also include all those players who’ve only heard of it since Fire Emblem Heroes was released. Who knows, maybe they’ll even exclude certain characters.
Maybe they’ll also include the FEH original characters.
That’s a good point. I was reading elsewhere that people planned to vote based on who wasn’t already in the game. That would make me feel better. Brave Tharja just doesn’t have the same ring to it
If any are excluded it’ll just be Lyn, Ike, Roy and Lucina but that might not be fair to fans even if it might result the same besides placements. I do wonder if the heroes characters will be added if so I’m going Fjorm she seems very popular since her debut.
This is great! Let’s see…
Lyon is the next GHB, and he will probably have the Naglfar Tome. I think he will be a red tome user, because dark magic is represented in Heroes as a red tome.
I searched about “Shrouded by the Storm” thinking it could be the name of a chapter in some game, but nothing. The near thing I got is Chapter 3-2 of Radiant Dawn, “Stormclouds”.
I recommend the players do what I will do: wait until Jan 30th to spend orbs. I will see what units will appear on the Legendary Banner to decide on each banner spend my orbs.
About the “Movement Skills”, I will probably have units with some “Warp” skill, like Flier Formation, Guidance, Wings of Mercy, Escape Route or even Warp Powder. (My hopes are for Elincia in this banner).
The “Three Heroes” quest will be the traditional three 3-stars free heroes.
And about the CYL 2… I hope they will do something like the CYL 1 winner could not be able to win again. I do noy want another version of Ike or Lyn. I would like to see a Robin / Celica with a Levin Sword / Beloved Zofia, or a Tome user Lissa / Sakura, with visual like Emmeryn / Mikoto.
I think Lyon will be a Red tome, every dark mage/shaman so far has been red while the light mages have been mainly blue with the Naga girls being green.
Wow they’re giving us Lyon, basically my favorite character in Fire Emblem. I really wasn’t expecting that. Definitely means the new heroes will be from Sacred Stones. That said, the rest of it isn’t really too exciting for me, because it doesn’t look like there’s a lot of opportunities to earn orbs here, certainly not to the degree to participate in the coming banners (four of them!). So, seeing as I currently have no orbs, I’ll probably be watching from the sidelines for just about all of this.
Idoun is someone I’d consider backing as well. Good call. Think I’m gonna do that.
Not like it’ll matter though. We all know what kind of characters will pull through in the end. At least I hope our obscure characters will find solace in that some people like them, lol.
Well, on the first CYL you could vote for Ashera, Yune, and Ashunera in the Radiant Dawn section~
I only voted for Micaiah and Mia, so I dont now about others.
Same, which is why for these kinds of challenges I try to only use units that I rarely use, else it would be way too easy with my OP units like B!Lyn or P! Azura. I try to spread the love a bit.
Free stuff, I use this stuff rather sparingly though. I’ve only refined I think 5 generic weapons and haven’t done so for legendary, I just haven’t really put the time in to figure out builds for some of those characters or they just have unfavorable IVs (ATK Lyn and Minerva…rip). Shards/Crystals at this point are kinda pointless for me, I have tens of thousands of them just sitting in my inventory (500K for the universal ones ) and I rarely use them. I will however always greedily take those orbs.
Of the legendary weapons I’ve only refined Ephraim’s. I know what you mean, it’s “work” to figure out whose weapon to refine, since the resources are pretty limited. Same with the sacred coins for me.
I used to use the shards, before they switched the 3* and 4* summoning rates, to level up 3* versions of characters quickly, where I needed a skill they got at 4*, I was just too lazy to level them to lvl 20 to promote every time 😀 but the crystals are just collecting digital dust in my inventory as well…
@Kirie: The quests feature 100 Great Badges each btw, not crystals.
The only Legendary Weapon I refined was the Sol Katti. I hope the 2.2 update bring us the refined versions of Alfonse’s Fólkvangr, Sharena’s Fensalir and Anna’s Nóatún.
Are some of the buttons broken or is it just me? I can’t click left/right to cycle through the games, and the “menu” button won’t work either. Clicking any of these just snaps my view back to the top of the webpage but has no other effect.
sigh… I remember the days when Kagero and Takumi were op (as were Mrobin, Camilla?, and plenty of others)… now I never see either of them in arena… WHY POWER CREEP? WHY?!
The shortened voting period is driving me crazy, because I managed to fit all my favourite characters into the previous CYL (none won) and now I have to decide who not to vote for amongst them.
Bracing myself for the end of CYL 2 when I find out none of them won and my poor heart breaks again.
unofficial reddit polls says that ephraim, hector, nino and celica are at the moment most popular. reinhardt and eirika are third place. marth and camilla fourth
That’s so interesting. I expect Heroes to make a significant impact on the results of this poll, especially characters from Japan-only titles, as seen there with Reinhardt. I expect Hector and Tharja to still be the winners, but I think the other top male and female are up for grabs. This will certainly have a much smaller response count, with voters being the more dedicated fanbase. It’ll be neat to see how that and timing makes a difference, especially for Fates characters.
Went with Naesala on day 1. It looks like my picks will be mostly, or all, Tellius characters (though I wish they wouldn’t have doubles of the recurring characters). I’m also trying to pick characters who aren’t in the game already
Same here. All Tellius Characters. I think I would most like to see Haar out of all the characters not in FEH yet but I’d really love to have a Laguz added to the game too. That needs to happen. I checked and the laguz that got the most votes last time was Tibarn. I’ll take any Laguz Royal though.
Yep. I’m tentatively voting Naesala, Skrimir, Haar, Ranulf, Stefan, Reyson, and Bastian. But those last three are very tentative. I would take Tibarn certainly, but I’m a little disappointed for the lack of appreciation for Naesala
I’m hoping for an update that just drops a dozen or two new units in the game, focusing on beast-characters as a new unit type.
So many small fry like Sumia, Illyana and Wil are still missing and this trickle of releasing small banners is getting irksome.
Interesting they didn’t include the original characters from Warriors in this poll. I guess they consider Heroes characters to be official FE characters because they’re made in-house at Intelligent Systems whereas Rowan, Lianna, Darios, etc. are made by Koei Tecmo.
I wonder why they banned radiant dawn ike personally. They made it a point to consider him a different character then PoR Ike and now he’s banned. At least Wyrs is still available 😉
Then why bother making ike from each game a separate character the first time round? That’s the source of confusion. Something that was established the first time around has been contradicted. I say all this as someone who wasn’t gonna be voting for ike as well
I don’t see why they separate Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn at all. They aren’t different characters, they’re progressions of the same ones. In many cases, that’s what makes them memorable
Distinguishing between Radiant Dawn Ike and Path of Radiance Ike is difficult when he’s wearing a new outfit, but they wanted to know what game fans preferred his character? As well as any other character in multiple games. Best guess I got.
Camilla (screw you she’s an interesting character), Benny (he’s a god), Tibarn and Ranulf (we need beast units), Tethys (another of my top 5 waifus), Gerik (he’s da best Sacred Mcguffins character), and Laevateinn (villain characters are awesome in this game, she’s also best Heroes original waifu).
The art is by Benimaru Itoh, who has been collaborating with Nintendo for decades. The guitar harp she’s playing is an instrument he actually uses in a band.
It’s funny to see Caeda is using a Fire Emblem Themed Guitar, but I did seen that guitar is combined with the harp that I just wondered how will that actually work?
Only 1 orb for Squad Assault is not a good reward, but thanks Mila the mission is not in Squad Assault 2 or 4. I still didn’t complete 2 and 4. I hate the final maps!
So far, they’ve been one day late on the events, compared to their own calendar. That’s a little awkward, but I guess we shouldn’t expect the new banner tomorrow, especially since they haven’t teased it yet, or Lyon until Friday
Hmmm fair enough, though I don’t think the time difference has resulted in a delay for me before. I assume they’re just releasing them a little later then? I feel like I’m used to seeing new content at 4am, which would mean a release right as the date turns, which seems right
Lyon is listed in the Fire Emblem Heroes Wikia as a Red Tome user, which in my opinion is right. Red tome is used for fire and dark magic, blue tome is used for thunder and light magic, and green tome is used for wind magic.
I know this is a underwhelming set of quests, but we are about to get a new banner and GHB in the next few days and then major update for the anniversary in another week following. I’m ok with this, it builds hype and so long as they deliver on that hype I’ll be happy.
I think it depends on what you’re hyped for. At this point, I don’t care as much about a bunch of new characters I’m unlikely to get when I already have a full roster of characters that I like. My problem right now is the game doesn’t give me a lot to do with all the characters I’ve accumulated. We’re at the mercy of the developers for everything, and stuff like this is just the worst of it: quick, lazy, and cheap.
While I like new banners depending on the characters in that banner, I agree. I’m hoping that the anniversary comes with it new additions that will allow me to use more of the heroes I have. For example, I want to actually be able to do stuff with my “friends.”
WOW! A new version of Eirik. That is a surprise… but not entirely unwelcome. I think this marks the first time we’ve had a new unit based on an existing unit (not counting the Choose Your Own Legends winners). Could this set a trend for the future? I like Eirik–I was looking forward to a new and improved version, but I don’t want to see this become a trend since there are SO many Fire Emblem characters yet to be represented.
Hm, Zelgius. With a mask and without a mask. We could say that Lucina and Masked Lucina are duplicate as well, but at least Black Knight and Masked Lucina were special awards, not featured in rollable banners. The Tikis are also far enough in years, appearance, and personality that I judge them to be different characters. And the male and female Corrins are separate characters due to a completely different appearance and gender. This new Eirika is of the same age and personality as the old one. There is no alter ego. And they are both featured in banners.
A minor grievance of mine is that Heroes straight up just spoiled the Black Knight’s identity by showing Zelgius wearing BK’s armour rather than his usual red one.
Given how many new fans the 3DS games and Heroes brought in, I’m fairly certain there were a good bit of people who haven’t played RD but were looking forward to doing so.
Very interesting. I’ll definitely want Eirika and Myrrh. I hope my 130 orbs will be enough to get them as well as keep some ready for the Legendary Hero banner.
So, two Story chapters in a row? That’s great! That might be a first. It’s nice to actually go a while without seasonal units for a change.
Why did she have to be a TT reward… Well, at least she is coming, and I can blow all my orbs at L’Arachel in frustration, but still. I really wanted to give her ideal IV’s and spend money to make her +10.
Good idea. But I doubt my puny 7 votes will do much difference in the end. So I’ll just give her two and spread out the rest to other characters I like.
I think Marisa come as a F2p unit is because of those vote. If I remember those vote were belong to last event which is about which character you want to appear in Heroes.
Skills like Steady Stance, Steady Breath, Close Def or even Earth Boost (depending how much HP she has) are great things to have on Myrrh. I am not sure what will be her weakness: speed (Great Flame can cancel follow-up attacks, so maybe she is a slow unit) or RES (Great Flame use DEF to trigger it’s effect, so maybe she will have good DEF and poor RES).
And, being a flying unit, Myrrh can be more effective in Flying Emblem Teams (I want her for my Flying Team).
Having a new dragon unit, with Hone Dragons, make me think: maybe Ninian will appear in the Legendary Banner.
Also, FEH Manga’s Ogma looks way better than FEH’s Ogma.
I dont have dragon team (just Ninian as dancer) so I will use Myrrh mainly as flier unit. I dont have Nowi or any Tiki as 5*, just a poor Fae with bad IVs. SO. I hope I can get that Myrrh with good IVs, and of course L’Arachel and that Lyon’s dream wife (?).
I will prefer every single Sacred Stones character before all the other units togueter.
First time seeing an alternate version of a character that’s not ‘Brave’ or Awakening/Fates, is this an indication of future banners? Who would you like to see get this kind of treatment? I’d personally say the inferior units from across the franchise, like those who are bad and are not even worth while as fodder like Florina.
That’s right, Est is the one with no good skills to inherit, but Florina is still bad. The underwhelming lords certainly have a high chance, but I would also like for them to not neglect minor characters in the low and bottom tiers rather than having to just wait for seasonal banners for better versions; like with the Halloween banner with Jakob and Henry. I’d like for permanent improved versions for characters like Odin, who despite being perhaps the most versatile fodder unit, is absolute garbo.
W!Tharja and H!Sakura, basically the recent units that come with those EXP or SP boosting skills will have that skill as a bonus. This is a relatively recent change as these kinds of skills were initially treated as apart of the regular 4 skill pool in the early life of the game such as with Athena with Sword Exp 3, or Camilla with Live for Bounty.
Ohh, I can see why that is something that would change because it kind of hinders them in actual gameplay. So this is just the first non-seasonal unit with this change then.
That’s true, though I wouldn’t necessarily count Y!Tiki since she and A!Tiki came in vanilla FEH and are kind of different characters with little resemblance with one another outside of appearance. I guess the biggest thing is that we got a alt. version that is not seasonal (meaning they’ll stick around after the banner) and is not a Brave unit.
Well this is just very cool. Guess I will be saving orbs. I have no attachment to the Tellius characters as I never had a console to play the games on and with this coming I will definitely not try and get any from the current banner, despite some of them being strong.
Myrrh is going to be terrifying, but while I appreciate that they were trying to fill a unit gap, Eirika just feels lazy and L’ arachel would have stood out more as a staff. Also, did we really need another sword as the TT reward? Unless she can kill Myrrh, i doubt she’ll be too useful.
Probably not though, betting she’ll just get the Shamshir, essentially as a buffed up Wo Dao. Or they could just give her a plain Wo Dao, but that seems a little boring for the standards they’ve now set for Tempest reward units.
I could see the Shamshir, but I think they’ll be wary of creeping Audhulma or the Wo Dao refinements. Wo Dao seems fine; the Tempest Trials units have been mostly mediocre anyway (Tobin, Clive, Joshua, Corrin), and I’m not sure how many ways they have left to distinguish sword users, especially myrmidons. And Marisa wasn’t exactly distinct in her own game
There’s something I want to point out. The in-game text read that Marisa is “coming soon” and “will increase your score in the next Tempest Trial”. It did NOTsay that she was a Tempest Trial reward. Marisa MAY be like Ayra, and show up as a new unit on the Tempest Trial banner. Anyone who really wants her, maybe hold off summoning until the Tempest Trial comes so you can confirm that she is free?
Could it be because you read the second part of her name as you’d pronounce the name Rachel? It might be because I’m not a native English speaker, but reading it like that sounds wrong. Disregarding the L’ part, to my ears, it feels weird to say Arachel as you would say Rachel, lol.
Pretty much, yeah. Apostrophes in names just confuse my pronunciation even more 😛 Honestly, the name sounds wrong to me either way, though that’s probably because I am a native English speaker, but the name isn’t of English origin, so eh. Now that I’ve heard it out loud, I’ll start pronouncing it normally 😛
In that case, you must have an even harder time with the FE4/5 characters. Deirdre for example isn’t too difficult for me, but the English phonetics are probably making it more difficult than it should be for most people. That’s also why I find pronouncing Japanese words to be easy, since they’re mostly pronounced as they’re written.
Haven’t seen much from 4 or 5, but for example, I pronounce Deirdre as “Deer-dree”, though that’s probably not correct. I used to pronounce Titania from Path of Radiance as “Ty-tan-e-ya” before I heard Fairy Tail pronounce Erza’s name as “Teh-ton-ya”. I really just pronounce names as they’re spelled, and having other words in their names (like Rachel or Titan) usually doesn’t help.
I think I got the L’arachel’s name right as well along with Severa’s name when Selena pronounces her name at Fates in the my room conversation along with Eirika and Emphriam. But, I did pronounced Caeda’s name wrong when one of the characters spoke her name in Fire Emblem Warriors came out, I kinda did said Kay-da, I didn’t know it was going to be as See-da. No one usually pronounces the characters’ names right incase if there wasn’t any voice acting in one of the text only video games back then. But with games that have voice acting usually let people know how to pronounce it right.
I played a lot of Sacred Stones, but not going to lie… this banner does nothing for me. Myrrh seems like a good unit, but red tome Eirika is just boring. It’s just as well, I spent up my orbs on the Radiant banner (managed to pull a last-minute Micaiah!)
Pulled a Myrrh, +DEF/-HP, I’ll take it. I would like to go for L’arachel or Erika, but neither seem all that impressive, their tomes are neat, but the +3Def for L’arachel and +3Res for Erika do not at all work with with their respective 17Def and 22Res, it’s like Hana having Obstruct, it just doesn’t work. Seems IntSys took the whole power creep remarks people made a bit too serious.
Maybe they felt they overextended with the Radiant Dawn banner and felt they needed to chill a bit. Oh well, time to save again.
I will say though, the plot seems to be progressing quite nicely…it’s not winning any awards or anything but I’m liking the direction it’s going; and the map challenges are always nice.
I actually really liked the new story chapter. Built up Alphonse’s character as well proving that he’s well prepared to face any situation. Surtr is savage as hell, which I’m really starting to like. Veronica also proves to be decent. I should send them feedback saying they did a good job
That is cool. I have a random 5* one and I’m quite surprised how potent he is. Not really sure if I’ll ever have the luck to pull one for SI among all the Clarines, but it’d be like pulling 20,000 feathers
I am a little disappointed with both Lyon and Marisa.
Lyon has a Legendary Rauðrraven, and Marisa is a Karel with more defence.
Also, I spent some orbs in the banner trying to get Myrrh, but nothing. So I will wait until the Legendary Banner to see what type of heroes we can get from it.
Agreed. I appreciate that they’re trying to slow the powercreep, at least for one banner, but still. Why even have Marisa? To give us all access to Infantry Pulse (not the worst idea)? And poor Lyon is worse than a Sophia. Plus, I still think mounted Eirika is gross and took away the additional of another actual character
This banner is a bit lackluster, I expected at least two strong new charcters but only Myrrh is worth some orbs, welp gonna hord some more orbs for later.
I maintain that among the four banners, the special hero banner will probably be the one to watch for. They usually put good things in those. Of course, there’s a high likelihood of 3DS variants only, but nonetheless, I’m saving at least for that and probably until the next Brave Heroes are released
If Princess L’Arachel says she has a staff, then she will have a staff, who cares if you call it a tome, if she says it’s a staff then it’s a staff XD she’s got divine right after all.
Not to correct you but she is a Valkyrie not a Mage Knight. She can be promoted to either one due to the promotion system in sacred stones but Ivaldi is the light tome from Sacred Stones that is a sacred twin aka the legendary weapons of that game and therefore this is the valkyrie staff since mage knights cannot use light magic
There’s also clearly a difference between powercreep, where new characters have roughly identical kits to older characters but with higher stats and stronger versions of the same skill, and characters that provide variety or a new mechanic entirely. I think this banner is fine. It provides units with niches for those who want to fill them
Veronica is in 5th in the CYL Round 2. I will vote for her so she can be at least in the top 4.
And I am ok with Camilla… but Eirika? Nope. We already have a “brave” Eirika.
Wow. The male side looks alright (I can deal with Chrom), even though I wish Leif would reach a bit higher. But the female side is the embodiment of shit taste. The power of waifuism is strong.
ok its annoying, fire emblem doesn’t need waifu’s to be a good game… It needs characters that people fall in love with PERSONALITY WISE! Not by… features… So why do people vote for the waifu’s? Is that what the mighty fire emblem fanbase has become? Is the destiny of fire emblem eye candy? Take a Stand! Vote for characters personalities (and not waifu personalities, actual personalities) not appearance!
If you see characters like Camilla and Tharja as being ONLY waifus cause they have fanservicey parts, then you really aren’t a Fire Emblem fan. A real fan of Fire Emblem can look past the hate and see the good parts of characters, even those that are fanservice.
Hmm it’s odd to me that you could think so highly of yourself to claim to know what makes someone a “real” Fire Emblem fan. That really does require quite a degree of prescience and insight. But I forget, we can say such things on the Internet. Surely it would have occurred to you that someone could acknowledge the entirety of the characters and still find them wanting, or must it be that anyone who doesn’t place them among the top 10 in the entire series must be self-evidently incorrect, and thus not a “real” fan, as if there weren’t 12 games of precedent at before those characters came about? Because that’s what this is about: people voting these characters among the top 10. For your comment to be fair, there must not be any other reasonable criterion by which one could compile a top-10 list that would exclude those characters.
But, for my own curiosity, please make the case that they belong. You won’t find a more sympathetic audience. I don’t even dislike them. I even like Faye.
Very colorful speech you made, and very unnecessarily long.
However, please inform me what is wrong with what I said? Am I wrong to say that you are not a true fan of Fire Emblem if you use derogatory names for characters in Fire Emblem? Or perhaps even calling the newer games Waifu Emblem?
Please, by all means, tell me how people who purely use those terms in such an insulting way have any right to call themselves Fire Emblem fans?
Fire Emblem is Fire Emblem, no matter what age it comes in. To demean it and saying that the spirit has changed completely and it isn’t Fire Emblem anymore is an insult.
I don’t buy your premise that a “true” fan must like everything in the series. This isn’t something that can be proven, but I don’t think it’s an intuition we would entertain for other fandoms. Being a fan of a musical artist does not necessitate liking every song or every album. So it is here.
Criticism and having issues is one thing, but using derogatory names and not even attempting to see anything that’s possibly redeemable in a character, judging them solely on looks, is another thing altogether.
That’s not really the case here though. No one has judged a character exclusively by their looks. In fact, I think the people who do are elevating characters based on their looks, hence why Faye isn’t popular and Camilla is. And again, just because someone comes to the conclusion that they don’t like someone doesn’t mean they didn’t consider them holistically before coming to that decision. For example, Tharja has no backstory (unlike Henry, who arguably fills her niche better), has the odd, unexplained Robin fixation, and has this weird thing about hexes that isn’t explained and doesn’t fit the lore of the series. Alternatively, she’s pretty entertaining at times, has a sweet support with Nowi, and is hilarious to use because of Nosferatu. So I think of her as a mixed bag, albeit a poorly written one. None of that explains why she’s so overwhelmingly popular, has her sex appeal played up more than it was in her own game, and deserves multiple character versions. At least not to me. Your mileage may vary, but let’s not assume I haven’t considered it because I came to a different conclusion
It’s not even just the fanservice characters. It’s effectively all the characters being nothing more than caricatures in Awakening. But it’s not even the fault of the characters, the story as a whole is a complete parody and is written like a fanfic.
If what constitutes being a ‘real’ FE fan involves being accepting of shitty writing, then I guess I’m just an elitist.
I know a lot of people take issue with Camilla’s placement for the usual ‘thot’ bs as well as her already having 3 versions…but 2 of those are seasonal versions, so the only Camilla you’ll be pulling is vanilla. This is especially annoying from the people saying Erika should be placed above when she now has 2 version that can be pulled.
Personally I want Camilla to take first since I actually despise Celica, she ruined the story of Echoes for me with her being an even bigger dumbass than Erika and getting herself and everyone else in trouble with nothing of consequence happening as a result. She’s straight up the most deceptively selfish characters in all of FE, yet everyone acts like she’s some saint.
I agree with you. I do not have any problem with Camilla. I still like Celica, but for me the part we play as her in Echoes are my least favorite parts of the game, in comparation of Alm’s part which I love. Eirika shouldn’t be there. I really hope Veronica reach the top 4, but I do not want Azura to be despised. Eirika is only that higher in the pool just because we had her banner’s trailer some days before the CYL2 started. If CYL2 had started today, or yesterday, she wouldn’t have so much votes.
And for the men’s side, Marth should been higher in the pool. He is not in 2nd or maybe in 1st just because people are voting in 2 Marths at the same time: Shadow Dragon’s Marth (3rd) and New Mystery of the Emblem’s Marth (9th).
I voted for Shadow Dragon’s Marth today to give him a help, and tomorrow and after I will vote for Azura and Veronica.
I think IntSys will combine the 2 versions of Marth as one, it’s not like Ike who looks drastically different. I do hope he wins a spot, he’s the face of the franchise and deserves that recognition.
But I think it’s super funny how popular the FEH villainess are, so many people want Veronica, Loki and Laevatain (me in particular). So even if they don’t win, I think it’s gonna send a clear message that people want them, that they’re super popular, and maybe we’ll get a first ever Villain’s Banner.
My hopes are for Veronica reaches at least Top 4. Before the CYL 2 Banner, we will probably see a CYL 2 Voting Gauntlet with all 8 characters, and I want to know at they will do in this situation? Maybe Veronica become a Legendary Hero in the future, and being in the Top 4 will make it happen early.
And… Rally Marth! My final votes are for you Hero-King!
Celica suffers from an unfortunately poorly written part of the game, because otherwise she could very easily have been one of the best characters in Fire Emblem. There’s *supposed* to be an underlying crisis of faith narrative that informs both Celica and Jedah’s actions in part 4. That is, both supposedly struggled with Rudolf and Alm respectively trying to seize control of their own fate and leave the gods behind. We never actually know that Jedah is lying, so allegedly the idea is that Jedah and Celica do believe that sacrificing her would pacify Duma and leave them with at least one remaining god, rather than forcing the world to go on without them. So Celica is somewhat acting against Alm in Part 4. That’s the theory at least.
For me, there’s enough in the text where you could convince me that could have been the way they wanted to go, but not enough to think that’s a legitimate interpretation of that part of the game. However, I’ve seen enough arguments in defense of Celica to wonder if a lot of the people who support her have just headcanoned the above analysis as fact. I wish it were true — it would add some desperately need depth to a game that never seemed to make the gravity of its conflict particularly apparent, but I see it as just a missed opportunity.
I don’t hate Camilla (though I find some people’s blind worship of her for fanservice reasons a little uncomfortable), but as a series veteran, I’m very tired of all the 3DS characters. Azura is one of my favorite characters in the whole series, and I don’t need any more of her floating around
I agree with you about the 3DS characters. From all seasonal units we had, only 2 of them are not a Awakening or Fates character (Caeda and Lyn). I am tired of Seasonal Awakening/Fates characters. Echoes is still recent, so I do not have problem with Echoes characters (I want Silque in the game so much).
I definitely see where people come from with those Echoes analysis, the issue though is that it feels too last minute. Obvious things need to start with us believing the gods are necessary only for us to transition to seeing them as not, but from all the lore of the 2 countries attributing Zofia’s bounty and Regel’s harsh lands being attributed to their respective deities, and then seeing the loss of the flourishing Zofian lands after Mila disappears…yeah, it really seems like man needs their gods. So the idea that they no longer need the gods to push forward into the future is in direct contradiction to literally everything we were presented.
With the Awakening/Fates units, I get the frustration people have…hell, it frustrates me. I’m frustrated because of all the hate that it’s been generating towards these legitimately fun and interesting characters. I want another alt. version of Camilla, but seeing her show up so often for these temporary seasonal banners makes others not want her who would otherwise.
Echoes has missed opportunities everywhere tbh, it’s the reason why I’m thoroughly mixed on the game.
-Celica jumping to conclusions in her one sided argument with Alm
-Her behavior late game
-Rudolf’s lack of screentime
-Rinea basically being a plot device
-Faye
-Unfixed map design
-Battle skills not being as useful as they appear
-Supports that seem to go nowhere character wise
-Lack of supports for certain characters like Kliff and Genny
-Slog desert/swamp maps
Let’s just say if I were in charge of the game I’d do a LOT of things differently. As for the topic of character representation I’m personally tired of the 3DS characters too.
Yeah I don’t disagree with any of the points you mentioned. On the one hand, I thought it had perhaps the best presentation in the series (art direction, music, and writing style), but on the other, all the things you mentioned have made it really difficult for me to finish even one subsequent playthrough, which is usually automatic for Fire Emblem titles
Oh yeah, presentation wise it’s the best game FE game on the 3DS but the reasons listed above are why I haven’t come back to the game for a Hard Mode run. It’s a decent expansion but what seem like obvious opportunities to improve on the source material and add more meat to the story are completely ignored in favor of doing nothing or something equally lazy with the excuse of “staying true to the original”.
For example Alm and Celica could have questioned each others motivations thanks to the conclusions they’ve come to based on their experiences, with Alm having seen the negative effects of Mila’s blessings and realizing the Mila spoiling Zofians are what lead to the corruption while Celica could argue Mila’s blessings are still neccessary by seeing what her absence has lead to, famine and an increase in pirate activity which caused people like Valbar to lose his whole family (a character detail that he seems to bring up rather casually).
This isn’t even getting into the worldbuilding being a tad inconsistent, the lifestyles and values of the two sides of the continent not being elaborated on enough to flesh out the world, Alm’s “good but not nice” nature (which would have mirrored Duma) being altered to a more generic personality which makes the argument with Celica even more one sided, the foreshadowing of his true family being much too heavy, the obvious Conrad reveal, Berkut’s lack of motivation beyond beating Alm, Grieth being a disappointing cartoony villain, Jedah being portrayed as far too evil when he had an understandable motivation, Rudolf’s motivation being shaky depending on who you ask, Deen’s flat personality, Halcyon not playing a bigger role, the Nuibaba route dependent plothole, etc. THE LIST GOES ON.
For every thing the game does right it does two things wrong and I feel like people either ignore this or just choose not to acknowledge it because of Awakening’s quantity over quality attempt at story telling and one dimensional villains and Fates’ triple decker trainwreck plot thanks to the need of incorporating connections to Awakening and a golden ending route the raises more questions than it answers and influences the other two paths in ways that squander their potential and morph them into shadows of what they could have been. The fact is that what happened with the games before Echoes was IntSys writers were too ambitious and their attempts at making things more convoluted and involved than they should have been lead to the stories being showy in style but severely lacking in substance.
Echoes doesn’t have this excuse, they had the frame to expand upon but instead applying that ambition and creativity that they did for the other two games it feels like they just did what they needed to and forgot to make some of it work more by modern standards, I feel like IntSys just wanted to throw old FE fans a bone and then rush off to work on the next “””Waifu Emblem””” (as the fandom has dubbed them) because when you take a moment to consider what COULD have been in Echoes and think about just how fast solutions to these issues can be thought up it feels like much less effort was put forth for the game and that’s a little sad. It’s not like I even hate or dislike Echoes’ story and gameplay I just find them meh/decent and settling for that is uncomfortable to say the least.
Makes me worried for FE Switch, makes me real worried.
And keep in mind when I’m referring to old FE fans I’m not talking about myself, I started with Awakening like most people nowadays. I’ve just taken the time to look at other games too, I’m playing Path of Radiance right now and it’s far better written and fleshed out than Awakening and Fates are.
I honestly don’t care who wins CYL that much. All I care about is that characters from pre-3DS games and Echoes doing well in CYL2. At least look on the bright side. If Celica wins she’ll get banned in future CYL events. Though some of your points can be said about Ephraim and quite possibly Ike to some extent.
True dat, but with FE switch on it’s way in 2018, the likelihood that those characters will take over the popular votes for CLY3 are high so this CYL could be the last chance we see for many of these characters to get in…it’s all dependent on how well received the characters in the new FE game are; if any will replace Celica or Camilla in their respective pandering.
that is indeed interesting. i took Act 4 a bit differently. personally its refreshing not seeing heroes/heroines behave stoically and follow the hero trope every now and then (like Alm, i still like him tho). it was mentioned once (by Kliff as a kid i think) that Celica acted selfish by keeping her secrets to herself. and this truly showed in Act 4, where she refused to tell her party what she learned from Jedah, knowing everyone will tell her no. We [and Celica] saw Jedah’s true intentions, but that doesn’t count since that was in the future in Act 5.
Celica’s decision to sacrifice herself to: calm down Duma for a few centuries (?) (don’t know if this is actually true, her soul ain’t enough), release Mila from her imprisonment while temporally restoring Zofia’s bounty (which was a lie, she was already slain & sealed a year before the game started), and end the war peacefully that Alm is currently battling (is another lie, Jedah wants to sacrifice him too. that is why Rudolf hid Alm away); is one of the toughest decisions a young princess of Zofia will have to make, and she did it alone w/o her party’s opinion.
Jedah is a snake oil salesman, no way he is keeping his promises. but Celica was so desperate that she didn’t care no longer despite her party’s warning. consequently, the situation got even worse after accepting Jedah’s deal instead of refusing [and will be forced to fight Jedah again].
Jedah’s claim being true or not, i would not fault Celica’s choice if it involves saving her goddess and the people of Zofia as Rulers have to make tough choices. i would fault her for, is not believing in her party and not telling them what she learned from Jedah. if Celica had clairvoyance powers, maybe things would have been different & she wouldn’t have accepted the deal, making Act 5 a less of a mess lmao.
i have no doubt Camilla will still be top 2 by the end of tomorrow. also Reinhardt memed his way to #5 (from 584th) is amazing XD!
The general reinforcements caught me off guard at first, but it was quite easy apart from that. Arvis could handle them without much trouble, and my BB Kleine could quadshot pretty much everything else.
We need Brave Mrobin! We need to have grima introduced into the game!
Honestly, why with the female side! Camilla is ok, nino, Fcorrin, and Tharja I’m fine with… But veronica? Loki? Celica? EIRIKA??? we don’t need Eirika and the other characters haven’t even been released as playable… so why would we get brave forms…
Grima would be dope. I thinks it’s actually funny that the FEH villainess are getting so much love. Even if I agree they not get a brave version, I think this is important as a message to IntSys that they are popular and people will pull for them if they made a banner (I’d go for Laevatain).
I doubt it. See, look at the villains we have gotten. Valter, Zephiel, and Zelgius aren’t pure evil. Two have been driven to madness, one by his weapon, and the other by his terrible parents. And the other is a man that is just loyal to his master and seeks to become very powerful as his mentor.
Grima is not the same as he is pure evil. Robin cannot break out of Grima’s hold unless Grima is weakened.
Everyone! Vote for Shadow Dragon Marth! He deserves the spotlight! He has been denied too much. Let the original Fire Emblem Lord, the face of Fire Emblem, and a great character still, get the recognition he deserves!
I think it’s funny that there’s only maybe one comment right now focused on what this actual post is about and everyone else is commenting on Choose Your Legends, lol. That’s not even mentioned
Nice to see my first Fates waifu Felicia get herself a legendary weapon, but why no Camilla? Oh well, I’m sure she’ll eventually get one since Hinoka, her equal, is getting one. The Falchions all getting buffed is a big deal now, hopefully this means Dragon Emblem teams won’t be so OP and prevalent in the arena.
Since Hinoka’s Spear reduced def and res in Fates, I’m guessing maybe a built-in Life and Death effect.
Basilikos might have an effect similar to Gleipnir and Ivaldi since those weapons are based on the effect of Regal Blade. Basilikos and Regal Blade are of the many S-tier weapons you can obtain in the final chapter of Blazing Sword.
Felicia’s plate might be cooldown reduction and targeting the lower value of foe’s def/res
Wing Sword is highly likely to be a Thani sword, but I’m curious about it’s secondary effect. Negates armor/horse buffs?
Life and Death Hinoka Spear would be super broke making a neutral one have an Atk/Spd spread of 56/37 (if the weapon is 16Mt), she could be an addition to the 60+ Atk club and run Heavy Blade SS, now I’m hoping that’s the case.
Oooh, so old and perhaps previously underused units are getting new weapons. A direct buff. And it’s not even through refinery. Both awesome and fascinating. Previously power-crept units can now, perhaps, find a new niche. And Falchion getting buffed through refinery was also about time, especially with Myrrh having just arrived who is really freaking good. And they even went the extra mile to differentiate the Falchions of Marth, Alm and the Awakening lords. Let the theorycrafting commence!
– Hinoka’s Spear? Could literally be anything, I have no clue what they’ll do with this.
– Wing Sword sounds like it’s inspired by the Wing Spear, and it would be a natural evolution from Armorslayer, so I expect a Thani-like effect overall. Caeda will also greatly appreciate having more Might on her weapon, given how low her Atk stat is. Hopefully, Caeda will be a decent unit with this.
– Felicia’s Plate, the obvious thing to do would be to have it target Res, perhaps only against certain enemies, like how refined Breath weapons do it. What she really wants to go along with that, though, is an improvement to her offensive power and/or an effect that’ll help her trigger Glacies, because she’s so reliant on it…
– Basilikos could again be anything. …I want to joke about giving it a raven tome-like effect, and that’d be super meta and hilarious. But it’s hard to say. Canonically it’s just a powerful axe, and that’s it. Since Raven is coming off of Brave Sword… maybe it’ll be like Elincia’s Amiti?
– Echesacks is getting a refinement. Given his character, a friend of mine suggested they might give him a Dragon-based Atk/Def Bond skill (plus another smaller effect), like what Sanaki got with fliers. It’d make sense. They could also give it Distant Counter, but that’s boring, and Black Knight and Zelgius already exist, so…
I have no clue how they’re going to differentiate the Falchions, but I’m definitely curious.
Hopefully more forgotten units will get this treatment in the future. Sure is interesting how they’re increasing the amount of unique weapons in the non-5-star exclusive pool all of a sudden. But I’m not complaining.
I have to imagine all of the Falchions will include the Keen Gronnwolf/Armorsmasher effect. Zephiel probably should have distant counter, and maybe something else, but we’ll see. I’m surprised we’re going through another round of refinements without including the Binding Blade
How is it surprising that Roy gets shafted once more?
Anyways, I was thinking more like Armorsmasher effect but for Dragons. Not sure if that’s what you were saying, if it was, then I agree.
I can understand Fachions getting different upgrades since they use different assets. There are 3 different Falchion’s, but one is shared between 3 people.
I would love to see Alm’s Falchion recieve a similar buff to Siegmund, being a reference to Double Lion from Echoes. With his built in Windsweep, he could probably run that combo even better than Ephraim. But we shall see.
As for the other two, perhaps the Awakening trio will obtain a strike skill like Swift Sparrow or Mirror Strike while Marth receives a defensive buff? Shield Pulse would allow Marth to become an incredible defensive frontliner, with his balanced stats and Renewal.
Lucina would love an offensive skill built in to compete with Ayra, though I feel like Chrom will suffer the most from this overall. He’s just too slow to not use brave sword.
I thought about Double Lion, but my main beef with that effect, aside from potential balance issues, is that Alm can’t use Double Lion with the Falchion. Double Lion is unique to the Royal Sword, which is ultimately a different weapon. Falchion only gets one weapon skill, and that’s Scendscale. Of course, that one has the issue of being rather hard to translate into Heroes without getting overcomplicated.
Woah I’m jealous. 140 orbs and I got a Sheena lol. Pinching orbs at the anniversary will be rather painful, but such is the f2p life when you have played the entire series and love so many units.
I feel you on that one. I never spend money either, though I was prepared to do so for Marisa before I heard she’ll be relegated to a TT reward. Honestly, I’d gladly trade one L’Arachel for that Sheema. She happens to be one of my favourite units but I still only have her at +5, and I barely ever get 4* versions of her either.
I’ve also almost run dry for now (26 orbs), so I hope the upcoming banner won’t have too many interesting things in it. I kinda want another Hector so I can give Marisa distant counter though.
Yeah I’m low on orbs too, and I just know Tana is coming back, which hurts because she’s my blue unit on my arena team. I used to be a dolphin on spending but since the summer I haven’t spent, and I’m nervous that if Brave Ike or Hector returns I won’t be able to get the fodder I desperately need for some builds.
No beef against Sheema, though I never really liked any Armour units in the series aside from maybe Black Knight, Lukas (who isn’t even a knight here) and Gillium. I may as well hold onto that Slaying Axe in case Jill comes out and needs it.
Btw, too bad about Marisa being TT only. Maybe someday they will give away a 5 star from a starter pack similar to BK so you can get a merge? Or they will rerun her as a prize in another SS trial. I personally do think her art looks AMAZING though, couldn’t have asked for better personally.
That’s a nice coincidence, since Tana and Sheema are the ones I have supported. They synergise extremely well, in particular with guidance factored in. The knight thing I can somewhat agree with, but I still have a few more that I want, such as Horace.
Yeah, I hope so too. That, or making a special banner with TT reward units. It sucks because another of my favourite units got the same treatment previously. I’m considering giving her the summoner support that Sheema currently has in order to make up for it a bit, but I’m not sure about that yet.
Agreed on the art too, I think it’s the same artist that did Celica? At least the blush is similar on them both. I wouldn’t have minded seeing her in the Arvis/Innes style, but that’s just nitpicking. Considering some other characters she lucked out with good art, haha.
On a small note, I just noticed something. There a reason why this site still calls it “Blazing Sword” when “Blazing Blade” is the official title for it now?
Another OC to obstinately use against my friends despite their almost certain meh-ness? Sign me up!!! Also, here’s hoping we get these guys in Heroes eventually!
One thing that should be mentioned is that a reliable Nintendo informant who goes by the name of Oscar mentioned something big would come and that was before the Feh stream was announced. He’s never talked Feh channel being this important so there’s a possibility that were getting the FE Switch teaser in the Feh channel.
I mean, Feh channel will likely only be watched by those who play Heroes, as opposed to the more general audience you’d get with a Direct. Don’t get me wrong, if they teased FE Switch in this, I would be overjoyed, but I don’t see why Nintendo would put it here instead of in a Direct which would likely get a bigger audience.
They might decide to advertise on both platforms? After all mobile gamers don’t have to be traditional console gamers and so doing both will reach a bigger audience? Or maybe there’ll be some kind of feature tie-in between the Switch and a mobile game/app or even Heroes.
I do not believe it. It is a FEH Channel, and not a Fire Emblem Direct.
For being the game’s anniversary, it is normal to expect something big from it.
The near thing I can expect from the Switch game in Heroes is near the release of the game we get a banner with 3 or 4 units from the Switch game.
Normally FEH Channels are divided in 5 topics. We can have:
– What’s new in the 2.2 version update;
– Events (Legendary Banner, Special Banner, Valter Returns, Tempest Trial, possible a new Voting Gauntlet and the CLY2 results);
– New refined weapons explanation;
– Anniversary Celebration (maybe with a free unit);
– A new mode?
Well this is such short notice that I want to hypothesize what it’ll cover, but I kinda don’t since that’ll just raise my own expectations…the internal conflicts are real.
The length and the description “super-relaxing” lead me to believe there won’t be anything groundbreaking here. I’d guess we’ll get the CYL winners and an explanation for the anniversary event at most. That’s fine by me. I’ve never been so poor of orbs as I am right now. It’ll probably be March before I’m participating again
The Feh parts were funny, I don’t care for Ike in the slightest so meh…., the new rhythm game looks neat though overall to me 4.5/10 felt expectations were high glad I was in the middleground I felt this could be been some Twitter posts.
Fortunately nothing I care about too much. I’ll take the free hero, but it’s likely to be someone I already have. I’ll wait to see what the prizes are before I waste my time on that gross tapping game. Also, PSA: even given the Legendary Banner but if you don’t have Performing Azura, I recommend her more than any other unit in the game. Her versatility means she can fit on a lot of teams and she really helps with grinding.
Also, I don’t think the special heroes coming 2/9 were mentioned so watch out for them
Disappointed in the legendary hero. Then again I really hate RD Ike and didn’t feel like he deserved a different version for his RD appearance. Oh well. We have to appeal to his Smash popularity.
Well free stuff is always nice….but honestly….I expected….like more? Like addressing common complaints in the survey that’ll be looked into (because lets face it, this game is far from perfect). Didn’t even point out any new GBH or the upcoming special units. The Rhythm game (for now) is only for February….so who cares? Like add something else permanent because just doing TT and Voting Gauntlets is just boring because TT is basically just autobattle and VG is just a joke now. “Advertises the direct as being nearly 15 minutes long but only spend 9 minutes of actual content (from a slow talking Feh) and 3 minutes of Feh just fucking around….yeah….totally worth it. I could have got this all from random news updates. It seems like I’m being negative….because I am. I do appreciate the free orbs and more orbs….but we have the Legendary Banner and the Special Heroes banner. That shit will go away quickly. So far Heroes is just going about stuff superficially and not addressing anything new….which gacha games typically do on their anniversaries. Plus would it have killed them to reveal the winners of the CYL? Obviously they wouldn’t have started on them but at the very least they have the results.
Honestly, the best thing they could have done was announce fixing the summoning pool. Like getting rid of some of the unwanted 5 stars that plague pity rates. Because lets face it….a 5 star merric/ cain/ oscar/ peri etc. are things we Totally~ still want as our pity breakers.
Fun fact, the 5* pool is bigger than the 4* and 3* pools combined…yeah…that’s a not so fun fact. There ARE too many bad pity breakers: Jakob, Hawkeye, Roy, Mathilda…that’s not to say they aren’t good (except Hawkeye, f*** Hawkeye), but they’re not 5* summonable good, make them 3/4*. And there are many 5* exclusives too that, while not bad, are not amazing: Luke, Alm, Nephenee, Mist, Jaffar, Faye; and they should be demoted to 4/5*.
Vangaurd Ike seems good, though Warding Breath on a 21 base res seems weird (you can actually see the lv40 stats for a brief moment in the FEH channel reveal, not the separate FE trailer, he’s basically a slightly better version of vanilla Ike). Other than that, P!Azura is the only other unit I might go for. I’ll probably pull for Brave Ike in that Hero Fest banner.
100 orbs is nice, but you can go through orbs like crazy so I’d rather they fix the summoning pool. Certain characters should not be 5* (Jakob, Hawkeye, Roderick) and some heroes need to be 4* (Nephenee, Luke, Genny).
The rhythm game is interesting, but it’ll all come down to how the music is. Also the reward was kept hidden so it’s most likely not orbs otherwise, why hide? So maybe the reward will be a new inventory item (as if we don’t have too much), free unit, interested to see.
I’m pretty pleased with the revealed info. Unfortunately though that live stream was cancer. Why do they have to make these things so fucking stupid lol. Feh has this whiny voice and just fucked around the whole time. Idk I’m more of a “get to the point kind of guy” and that live stream was one of the most cringe inducing things I have ever seen
Kind of nice that the bonus heroes are from the legendary banner, and Fjorm is 40% so that everyone can at least get the bonus. I managed to pull a V! Ike, but he was -Atk/+Res…sigh…the game has this really nasty tendency of giving me the worst possible IVs for these pulls. Welp, now I wait for the anniversary update while I do this TTm.
What’s the problem with -spd Faye? Her speed is already terrible. She was never going to double anything anyway. I would say -spd is the best bane on her.
My only Hinoka is -Atk +Spd… I guess I should give her something that’s not a Brave Lance…
As for Summer Robin… which bane would you have prefered? There aren’t really any good options in her case, are there?
So it looks like the Legendary Hero banners are in fact monthly. We’ll have one at the end of February with Ike and Gunnthra, but Fjorm won’t be back until March. I suspect we’ll get the last element in that one.
This Tempest Trial is so easy. My team is Fjorm, Gunnthra, NY!Takumi (with windsweep smoke dagger) and Genny. This is the first time I am not using a dancer, but actually… it is not needed. The 3 first units can do the work, and Genny only heals.
I’ve held onto a Cordelia (whom I hate) since March with the intention of giving Marisa galeforce, so I’m glad to finally have her out of sight. I also just sacrificed a Lon’qu for slaying edge+ and Brave Roy for steady blow 2. I wanted flashing blade or distant counter at first, but no Mia or Hector makes that hard. Haven’t decided on the rest of the skills, but QP would probably be the best seal to pull off at least one galeforce.
Vanguard is easily my favorite appearance for Ike, and the fact that they now have official art for this is one of the coolest things ever. I’ve always wished they made his Smash 3DS/Wii U appearance be modeled after it.
Oh no no. That’s not before I got an Ike. That was when I almost gave up. I ended up getting another Sanaki and two Siegberts before I got Ike. I have so much regret.
Marth was robbed a win because of the split votes, his combined votes would actually be just below Hector, IS done robbed him. I’ve vocalized my hatred for Celica many times, and I’ll do it again…she’s the most overrated. Congrats to Veronica for the clutch win, maybe this means we’ll also be getting the other Heroes villains later down the line, especially with Loki being 6th.
Back to Marth, maybe they’ll give us some honorary Brave alt. as a TT reward or something, it is possible, who knows, they did give us the Farfetched Banner out of the blue so maybe they’ll do something else to pleasantly catch us off guard.
Marth has no excuses if the same happened to Ike and he still managed to win 1st last time. Besides, specifying which version is actually more helpful.
They aren’t different characters though. Marth doesn’t do anything for me, but splitting him up doesn’t become more fair just because Ike won in spite of it
Marth also doesn’t do anything for me, but mainly I want to point out NONE of the characters with split votes are “different” characters, yet dozens have to be voted on separately anyway. (Whether this is a good idea or not is another debate entirely…) So Marth wasn’t “split up” any more so than any other character. He’s being treated to the exact same standards as literally all the other… however many hundreds there are.
I feel like this is implied in people’s comments. No one is saying that Marth should be held to a different standard. He’s just the primary example because the objectionable practice actually affected him meaningfully. So whether it was a good idea is the debate. I’m not really sure why there are a lot of responses obscuring that, since that’s very clearly not the point
To be honest, I haven’t really seen anyone that upset by the split votes unless it REALLY negatively impacted whoever they voted for. Some of the characters I voted for were affected as well, just not too badly, so I’m not particularly salty about it myself.
And yeah in general, splitting votes is never a great idea and one does wonder why IS went out of their way to do so, but I’m assuming that when it comes to using these results as a roadmap for planning future characters, they’re prooooobably taking all of the combined votes into consideration anyway?
I guess I’m giving people the benefit of the doubt by assuming they aren’t commenting only because they feel directly affected by it. In any case, I can see IS wanting to keep as many character versions on the table as possible, but that’s about the only reason I can think of. Maybe they think people really bonded with one game’s version of a character, or unit, and want to keep that option open, but I can’t think of any dramatic changes in unit performance between games that would be worth recording
I imagine it mostly boils down to figuring out what designs to focus on first and whatnot? At least for some characters. (That would make sense for like PoR Ike coming out before RD Ike, but fails to explain e.g. why Odin is here but Owain isn’t.)
But yeah, imo the only ones where it makes any sense to treat them as separate entities is when they’re using a different identity entirely, such as Inigo/Laslow, Camus/Zeke/Sirius, etc.
You’re probably right. I’m even content with grouping with Camus into one person and letting everybody choose which part of that character’s arc inspires them to vote for him, but I can see the advantages to each. Rather frustratingly, Odin seems to feel more like Owain, lacking some of the maturity I thought that trio gained in Fates
Oh, you mean her 1) twisted and unstable personality being genuinely interesting because it encouraged me to delve deeper into her character and to analyze each support to piece her character together; and 2) that she was consistent in her behavior and what she said, just like other good characters.
if only the majority thinks like that. camilla suffers hate because of her design, but at the same time it’s what makes her popular. my only beef with camilla is that a majority of votes she gets isn’t given because of her personality
I don’t deny that Camilla received a lot of votes due to her design, but if something like that is to be used to her detriment as a character then the fact that most of the top 10 are just the protagonists of their respective game is similar. I realize my own biases are worked into this, but at the same time popularity votes are all about the bias.
It really is just unfortunate that the majority of people playing FEH, including hardcore fans, don’t actually care about deeper aspects, which is why only the well known characters of the games see any results as oppose to lesser known god-tier characters like Tethys or Stefan. So in a way, most characters in the top 10 for both CYL 1&2 are overrated, even Veronica who I’m actually quite happy about winning.
Yeah, I basically agree with you entirely. It’d be nice If we could raise awareness of some of those less present but more interesting character, not you specifically, but generally.
I feel like there’s a distinction between labeling a character good or bad in a binary sense and explaining her overwhelming popularity. If you think she is a top-10/top-5 character in the series, that’s your prerogative, but understand the skepticism others have. To say she shouldn’t be this popular is not, for me, saying that no one is allowed to like her, but she’s a character that really would’ve benefited from some restraint and subtlety. Consider Clarisse, for instance. She’s a more artful take on the same archetype, for lack of a better word, but I think the reasons she isn’t popular go beyond the popularity of her game.
Personally I find the design truly ridiculous, what _is_ that armor… but the reason I don’t like her is that yandere types creep me the hell out… I don’t hate her though or anything, and obviously it’s a matter of personal preferences, which characters you end up liking.
Actually there are some additional votes for Hector, FE 6 version, further down the list as well. Many characters have multiple versions that aren’t counted together. Most of FE 9 & 10, some FE 6 & 7 as well as some FE 4 & 5 and even some between the mess of FE 1, 3, 11 and 12. And then there’s Anna.
So really, Marth is hardly being singled out here.
That doesn’t excuse the choice on the part of IS. In some cases it makes sense, FE6 Hector is very different from FE7 Hector in that nobody pictures FE6 Hector when they think of Hector, but also that his character is clearly different. Ike has drastically different appearance between his 2 games, despite still having the personality of nothing. Marth looks basically identical between his SD and MoE appearances since only a year had passed between the 2, and the difference between him in the 2 games is that he’s obviously more mature from the previous war, and his engagement to Caeda. This is a similar issue I have with how character in the Telius games would have been handled; Ranulf and the other Laguz is not different between the 2 games outside of his understanding and friendship with Beorcs, so why make the distinction, this is even less so with, say, Titania who’s only difference is slightly more gold looking armor. These are not significant enough justifications to separate them into different options.
*shrugs* they so far have always been treated as separate characters in Heroes as well, even each seasonal version.
I’m just saying, stating Marth got screwed is inaccurate as this affects a lot of characters.
I never said I agree with the whole thing in the first place. But also not everyone has played all the games? You may well have people who only played FE 6 and not FE 7 or FE 9 but not FE 10 or vice versa. How are they then supposed to find the character they’re looking for? You would have to disable the whole “choose by game” mechanic.
Alternatively they could just count the votes for all the versions as one sum value instead of keeping those separate as well as the character appearances, but there’s not really a perfect solution.
Consider it like evaluating an actor’s performance differently in two different roles instead of just the same regardless.
Honestly I agree with your point that they should keep the separate versions, but have their votes combine, because it feels like that’s what they were going for in the first place considering what they did with Ike by removing his RD ver. from the list even though that ver. didn’t win. They’re sending mixed messages.
Veronica is pretty surprising. I’m satisfied with these results though, even if I would’ve preferred Camilla beat Veronica Hector, Ephraim and Celica are some of my favorites in the series though. Interesting to note is IS put Marth in the results image on the official site next to the four winners. His combined vote beat out Ephraim and Veronica.
Could’ve been worse. I’m going to guess we’ll see Binding Blade Hector, Mounted Ephraim, Beloved Zofia Celica, and maybe some cute alternate Veronica where she’s not so unpleasant? They have a chance to give the character a trait other than petulant. Let’s see what they come up.
That said, I’ve never been particularly overwhelmed by the lord characters. I’ve never felt like the series has provided them with the personal conflict that spurs growth. Blazing Blade and Tellius are notable exceptions though
Ha… most of my choices very far down the list. I voted for Glen… that’ll never happen, no Sunstone for me.
But yay for Hector and Ephraim. Really surprised about Veronica and other fairly high placements of Heroes’ original characters.
So now this game will have 3 new Brave Heroes (Hector, Ephraim, and Celica) and 1 Brave Villain (Veronica). I can’t believe Veronica won 2nd place, and the story is nowhere near finished. This story is ruined, thanks a lot, IS!
4 from GBA games (Roy, Lyn, Hector, Ephraim)
2 from 3DS games (Lucina, Celica)
1 from GCN/Wii (Ike)
1 from Mobile (Veronica)
3 of 8 playable in Smash Bros.
4 of 8 appear in Smash Bros.
3 of 8 playable in Warriors.
I feel like that’s really interesting. The 3DS games are generally more popular/sold more, but GBA game characters are topping these polls. I wonder what this says either about the fanbase overall or just Heroes players.. Awakening and Fates have the highest sales, but Lucina is the only character that won from those two. Smash is always said to give a bias, but it’s not necessarily as clear to say that with this second round of winners.
Because Lyn fans were pushing nostalgia and Smash fans for the male side Celica did good because she’s the recent new waifu also Switch is big right now so the next Camilla or Lucina of it is gonna be big
I feel it’s that the more devoted fans to keep up with FE news are older fans, so they make sure to show their support. Newer fans’ likings seem to be all over the place, since most of the top favs are still 3DS characters.
Just my guess. There’s always chances of outside influences, like youtubers telling their followers to vote ___ and so they get more votes as well.
Not surprised by the results but I kinda wish the PoR and RD characters weren’t separated looked through and Jill (my choice) would have been much higher if the votes weren’t split XD
I’m hoping/assuming IS takes the split votes into account when looking over the results? Like, if character A gets 5,000 votes but character B gets 3,000 from one game and 3,000 from another, IS would logically just combine character B’s votes, if only to help with future development plans? One would think, anyway… it might also help explain some of the apparent randomness to the order new heroes are added.
Welp, huzzah for Hector, I suppose. RIP Marth.
As for my picks, I ended up with 151(Idunn), 229/456(Nagi), 296/383/453(Palla), and 390/559(Elice). Honorary mention to 251, who I would have voted for but I missed a day on both my accounts. Sorry, Limstella, you should have tied with Leon but I let you down.
Other Thoughts include a shout out to the 637 votes given to Layla, the fact that Shadow Dragon Roshea is now a demonic character at 666 with 82 votes, and a solemn salute to Garth from SoV and Bloom from Genealogy and the people who spared those 7 votes for each.
Proud of my son Owain for moving up to the top 30, and very happy for Haar, as well as Tibarn and Ranulf; would love to f i n a l l y see some laguz in FEH. …I feel really bad for Brady, though.
So, is there a “right” answer to this? As in a unit that would be particularly valuable to have or is otherwise rare? I imagine if it’s a vote it will resemble CYL, but I imagine a lot of people have those characters, so I suppose the winner will be the most popular character that enough people don’t have…
I would personally like L!Ike to win, as I cannot see myself summoning him from the legendary banner; my orbs are better spent trying to get my first Steady Breath fodder from B!Ike on HF 3. L!Ike has great fodder, and will likely come with a blessing for anyone using an Earth team, so he is useful in many different ways. If he doesn’t win though, I won’t be opposed to B!ike or Hector.
I’m would go either Hector or W!Tharja, both would be great fodder units with Hector having the much coveted Distant Counter and Tharja being a very good unit that is not available due to being a seasonal unit, plus she provides Close Counter or Vengeful Fighter.
V!Ike is a legendary hero so I imagine many people voting for him, but I find that to be short sighted, he isn’t as good of fodder as other units and he’s guaranteed to show up in future legendary banners. But I guess people can vote for whoever they want, so long as that unit is a super good unit that I either don’t have or has a very rare OP skill, I’m fine.
I am voting for Radiant Dawn Ike. Why? Because I already got Hector and when I earned another Hector, I used it as fodder for Distant Counter on Joshua. I will be voting for him every day and that’s fact!
Hero Fest? I will skip it. And about the 50 Orbs, I used some of them to try to get Myrrh… and I got her! I got a +RES -SPD Myrrh, and that’s really good.
I actually got a +ATK/-HP B!Ike in only a few pulls then spent orbs and got Sanaki (+SPD/-DEF) and Siegbert (+ATK/-RES), I already have a Myrrh though (+DEF/-HP) so I’m pleased with my recent pulls and I’m now saving for the next banner that interests me.
I will vote again from my phone with my Nintendo account linked, so for now just gave a vote to Ephraim, he likely won’t need it and I have one, but he is one of my absolute favorites.
People would do well to remember to vote for characters that are not easily acquirable or otherwise limited. Thus where my votes will be headed should be obvious.
I really like archers in Fire Emblem Warriors, and I hope Anna get a exclusive bow in the Shadow Dragon Pack, because Takumi and his Fujin Yumi with 720 Might is something!
I’m 99.99% positive that the six new weapons coming in the Shadow Dragon DLC pack will be for Caeda, Tiki, Anna and the 3 DLC characters. Just like the nine broken armor models will be the 6 Shadow Dragon characters, Lyn, Celica and Anna (since the OCs already have them).
Awakening DLC has 7 new weapons (Robin, Lissa, Frederick, Cordelia + 3 DLC) and 10 broken armor models (all Awakening characters, both Robins).
I did this, but with Sakura, meaning I lost some Luck and consequently trigger percentage, but got a Mage Killer specialist. A bow user with Lethality and Astra in general is a beautiful thing.
Since the original Valter’s GHB in August, a lot of really good units were released, so I could win the Lunitic without difficulties. But I know I am not ready for the Infernal.
And about the Celebratory Illustrations, kaya8 is my favorite artist in the game. Also, I would like to see more arts from Sasashima Suisei, the Abel’d artist. Abel’s art is amazing, so I would like to see new heroes made by Sasashima Suisei.
I’d like to see more of Haimura Kiyotaka (Deirdre, Julia), PenekoR (Eldigan, Valter, Saber), Haccan (Nephenee, Hinoka), Fujikawa Akira (Celica, Marisa) and Yamada Kotaro (all Lyns and Narcian)
I found it surprisingly not very hard, I just did it with my own Manakete Squad first try. I actually found the A Complete Hex map to be more annoying as it came down to separating P!Azura from the healers, and the Wrys Bodyguard one came down to baiting Wrys in for a ORKO so he couldn’t constantly undo the damage done to everyone else. Those 2 were the challenges that took me a few tries to trial and error it for ai manipulation.
“A Complete Hex” is really annoying. I needed to use a Light’s Blessing in that map.
And Wrys Bodyguard was not that difficult. I used Marth, NY!Takumi (with Refined Smoke Dagger and Windsweep), Bride Lyn and Gunnthrá.
That sounds great. Unfortunately, I have not yet been blessed with a Manakete Squad and had to make do. A Complete Hex was easy on my side as I run Delthea as my Blue, and Azura danced Lyn right up to us so Delthea picked her off right off the bat, and from there it was easy. Jakob was what almost screwed me over on Wrys Bodyguard, actually.
Jakob by himself was not a big deal, but all my damage was undone by Wrys, so I had to figure out how to one shot Jakob before he Ignis one shotted me, so I had my Effie (Slayer Lance+, DC) do it by having her set up a Quicken Pulse Ignis by engaging with Wrys which one shotted Jakob.
all my falcion and naga tome users got completely deleted in this map… I have Lucina and masked marth, Chrom, Julia, and Deirdre and they all get deleted not even close
the thing is, if you cannot one shot them with those weapons its going to be a problem since they have the refined lightning breath which will attack Julia/Deirdre’s defense rather than res
Am I correct in noticing that, when previous GHBs returned, completed difficulties stayed completed? But they reset for Valter, so you can get three additional copies by completing these? (4 including the quest)
Here’s your chance then. I’ve 5 starred one and have been using him on my flier team. There are probably better options but he’s been performing very well for me as my one flier tank with very little investment.
A complete hex was surprisingly easy, and Wry’s bodyguards was quite fun to play, but the mankete map… I quite impressive on lunatic difficulty how hard it is… my teams are either slow, or have low res, so these dragons destroy me… I only beat them via light blessings 🙁
A Complete Hex was hilarious for me. I just baited Lyn with my Cherche then proceeded to have her Brave Axe and Drag Back the healers with NY!Azura support and she tanked PA!Azura because she had Glimmer instead of Moonbow; I’d probably have had to equip the Close Defense SS at that point then. And it took me 2 Stamina pots until I thought of using armor emblem on the Manakete map, C!Tharja and Panic Ploy Arden say hello.
Wasn’t there supposed to be something that was going to help us grind SP, like new Warriors-style maps? Am I remembering wrong? In any case I have a lot of that to do…
Looks like Roy to me. At least, that’s my best guess right now. If it’s Valentine’s Day themed, then the other one could be Lilina. So that would mean the other two would be another prominent couple, or maybe just a Marth to match Bridal Caeda. In any case, I’ll wait for the reveal, but I’ve been trying for Elincia for a long time…
The twitter post seems to think it’s Roy and Lilina, but I kinda feel like I’m looking at Eliwood and Ninian. Granted, Eliwood and Roy have pretty similar hairstyles, but then, I feel like I’m also seeing Ninian’s head accessories here. Obviously, hard to be certain, but that’s what I’m thinking.
Why not both pairs?
But it seems likely to be Lilina on the right since there aren’t any strands of hair coming from the top. She wears some kind of hat on top.
Well, I’m not making any statements on the *banner*, just on this particular image. And I obviously can’t entirely dismiss the possibility for Lilina here, but I really don’t recognize any hat in this image. The fact that there’s no strands of hair sticking out at the top doesn’t seem to matter, because even Ninian’s original artwork didn’t have any strands stick out at the top. I honestly don’t think this is pointing to the character wearing any sort of hat.
Regardless, I’m really curious, and it’s almost certainly Elibean (is that the word?) characters, which is a nice change of pace from all the Awakening and Fates characters (with a random Caeda and Lyn mixed in)
Also a lot of people think it’s going to be Roy and Lilina which, yeah…even though I initially thought Eliwood, the hair is Roy’s. You can tell from the center/cowlick of the hair, Roy’s is on the right side while Eliwood’s is on the left.
Both Marth and Lyn look amazing. I was thinking about Tiki’s costume and I thought it could be a Nagi’s costume, but Nagi use a different outfit. So, maybe Tiki’s costume is a original desing.
The Devil Mountain is probably the Chapter 3 – A Brush in the Teeth map.
Also, “Broken armors for the SD cast + Celica and Lyn will also be added”. We will receive Anna’s Broken Armor as well.
And we also know the skills for Minerva and Navarre:
Minerva has Iote’s Shield, which negates any damage effectiveness (no weakness against bows), and Navarre has “Solitary”, which Raises stats if not paired up.
In Japan, the DLC pack is planned for February 15.
Oh boy, I had no idea this was scheduled before Awakening’s DLC Pack!!
First off, Minerva looks amazing, I look forward to her Supports(she’d better have one with Cordelia after seeing Cordelia’s Caeda Support), and though I must admit I don’t have high hopes for her being not a Camilla clone, I’ll still hope for it this final week before her release! Plus, I mean, even if she IS a Camilla clone I’ll still use her a lot.
Navarre will also be exciting to see, even if I’m fairly sure he’ll just be a second Lyn. Should be interesting to see his interactions with the other cast members in Supports! Linde I’m neutral towards, as I never really used her in SD, so we’ll see how she holds up.
The costumes are wonderfully done, though it looks like Marth is stabbing Caeda in the hip in this shot…I’m especially looking forward to that Awakening Lyn!
Overall, interestingly enough I find this to be the DLC Pack I’m most excited for, even though Owain was my number-one pick for a Warriors – Tharja kind of kills the Awakening Pack for me, I’m really not interested in sending IS the message that I’ll pay money for Tharja, but I really want to play Owain, so it comes down to how unique and interesting Olivia is to decide whether it’s worth sending the message that Tharja sells.
I like Linde, and I actually expected her to be included before it was revealed, but I really wish they’d picked Camus instead of her for this DLC pack.
Eh, guess you have a point. I just don’t like sending them the concept that we like fanservicey characters, because devs are stupid in that section of gaming and think we like them BECAUSE they’re fanservicey, which isn’t always the case.
Awakening Falcion: “Our Bonds give me strength!”.
So if there is ever a CYL like Robin they could give him/her Rally Spectrum that would work like PA!Azura’s Uror.
I find it funny just how much shit people gave Camilla for having 3 alts already during the CYL2 voting and attributed that to why they didn’t want to see her win…yet nobody is complaining about Lyn now having 4 alts…fascinating.
Hector power crept himself, and Roy is going to be like Reinhardt. I did the calculations using neutral IVs and with Brave Bow+, Death Blow, Moonbow, and Quicken Pulse, he can barely ORKO VL!Ike so long as he doesn’t bulk himself up. He’s certainly going to pose a new threat when utilized in Horse Emblem. Speaking of Horse Emblem, Lilina is a better Cecilia.
For what it’s worth, Cecilia still has the better defensive line. Honestly, I think Gunnthrá is still better than Lilina, but Lilina is definitely good nonetheless.
What’s actually funny or unfortunate about Lilina is that she’s going to be a major tease for all the people going for Hector…I feel like I’m going to be one of those victims.
Nah, man, I believe in you, you’ll nail Hector first!
As for your original complaint, I found this interesting as well. I myself want like ten versions of Roy in the game, so I try not to complain about multiple variants of other Units for that very reason.
Thank man, you’re getting close to your own Roy Emblem team, all that’s left ideally is a blue and green one for balance, and preferably if one was a mage. It would be particularly funny if Roy’s blue and green alts were also horse units so that Roy emblem was also horse emblem.
I’ll happily complain about yet another Lyn, if you want. Then again I wouldn’t have wanted yet another Camilla either. At least for Hector and Lilina it’s the first alternate version.
I’m simply pointing out the mass hypocrisy of people who hated on not just Camilla (though she received the brunt of it as she was in the lead) but the other popular ones like Azura. I understand why people wouldn’t want repeated version, but I understand why IS repeats them…money. What irritates me is the hypocrisy since I don’t see any of that complaining right now; when did the FE community become so toxic?
These weren’t reddit posts, this was on twitter (ok, I understand that) and…serenes forrest? One of the last bastions for the FE community wasn’t safe from it.
I see absolutely no reason why Azura gets the hate
and Camilla completely robbed Hinoka of her New Year variant, it’s no wonder why people don’t want a 4th variant of her before both Ryoma and Hinoka can get their 2nd ones
The hate on Camilla is kind of reciprocal to how so many people like her because big tits (I’m not saying this is the only reason people like her, but I think that’s where a majority of her fans come from). Lyn and Azura don’t get as much hate because they aren’t immediately sexualized characters. Ironically people hate her because the love for was kind of toxic, but now the hate has become that way with the whole “thot” nonsense.
I also think the fervor in the part of the Camilla fans contributes. It’s one thing to like her and another to think she’s the best ever and feel persecuted when others disagree. I mean, I have a soft spot for Faye, but you wouldn’t see me trying to make a scene of it
These two situations have different circumstances so there’s no hypocricy, rather a sigh of disappointment. I’m disappointed with how Azura and Lyn got extra seasonal variants, but they were both in banners that made sense for them to be in (I’m not justifying them being there, rather saying there’s logic in them being there). I’m less disappointed in Lyn than Azura because were getting 5 special heroes this time with 4 of them never having variants before as well as one being free to boot (Eliwood is my top lord so yay). I’d have been less disappointed with Camilla if she would have been in a Nohrian special banner, but she really had no place being in a Hoshidan banner. I’d understand Azura since she’d been raised in Hoshido for half her life, but Camilla stole Hinoka’s place. I’m not really giddy for any of these units to be honest (Roy and Lilina are pretty lackluster, Hector is basically Ayra and I want only Lyn since I lack blue mages). It’s the refinements and new weapons that excite me more.
I think Brave variants are at least kind of different since we asked for those variants before we had any other variants. I don’t mind Lyn here, because I like the aesthetic and the Blazing Sword callback. Bride Lyn was a waste in my opinion; I really didn’t like that whole banner, so I guess I’m fine with people getting a variant, and then a Brave variant, and then we leave them alone for awhile
I get the sentiment of Hinoka and Ryoma getting snubbed an New Year alt, personally I think the New Year banner should have been the Hoshidan siblings + Corrin like how the Nohrian summer banner should have been the Nohrian siblings + Corrin (which they were close to but still snubbed Camilla on). But I guess that’s not how IS operates. In the case of the New Year, Camilla can still make sense with it operating under the Revelations time line, so I have to disagree with Camilla not working in it. Does that mean I don’t think Hinoka and Ryoma got snubbed, no, like I initially stated.
But if you look at Lyn, this banner sorta makes sense with Lyn being the only shared romance between Hector and Eliwood, but it still feels contrived since it could easily have just been parent and child. But Lyn is popular and will make them money so they slapped her in. It’s similar to how inclusion in the Bridal banner, it sorta makes sense but is still contrived with there being plenty of candidates that make more sense. However that’s not the point of these seasonal banners, it’s not about making sense, it’s about pandering to the fans.
This banner seems to be Lycian noble themed, but I really didn’t want Lyn to be in since they could’ve made Lilina into the armored blue mage and Lyn already got her chance. If that would have been the case then I won’t pull for anybody at all.
I’ve always disliked Lyn shipping with anyone other than Rath so I somewhat dislike this banner because it tries to make a canon ship with Hector.
Roy himself is a harem lord and doesn’t have to be restricted to Lilina despite her loving him.
Alright, not quite what I expected, and I really could’ve sworn it was gonna be Ninian in the image and not Lilina, but… well… that’s how it is. Beyond that, a lot of stuff and HOLY CRAP ALM AND RAVEN. Those refinements are terrifying. Bunch of other stuff I’m excited for as well.
How many refinements do people have at this point? Because I’d really like use the new ones for Caeda (particularly), Raven, and Lucina, but I’ve found getting Divine Dew to be a chore. I can’t imagine when I’ll ever be able to afford the upgrades
I’ve only refined one weapon with Divine Dew so far, but have enough for one more. If I also spend all my normal refining stones I would have enough for a third. But it’s very difficult choosing who to use it on.
Ok then we’re in about the same place. I refined Minerva’s Hauteclere and buffed Julia’s Naga. I could probably also spend my stone for another one, but I don’t really have anyone to use the stones on at this point. Caeda’s Wing Sword is surprisingly potent though, and I want to be able to give it Flashing Blade…
I refined Ephraim’s weapon first. I was thinking about Minerva or Jeorge, but now maybe I’d rather do Marth. It would make mine even better for TT if his HP pool were bigger (got Renewal + Reciprocal Aid on him) and he was a passive all round buffer like that. But I’m also eyeing up Raven. I’ve got a 4*+9 at the moment, and if I were to promote the next 4* I get and merge him back to the +9, he would be really quite good like that. 52/40 Atk/Spd without buffs or stat raising skills, at that point might put something like fury or LnD on him.
… I replied to this earlier, but for some reason was marked as spam. This is the second time something like that has happened on serenes now… it’s kind of mystifying…
anyway, trying again:
I refined Ephraim’s weapon first. I was thinking about Minerva or Jeorge, but now maybe I’d rather do Marth. It would make mine even better for TT if his HP pool were bigger (got Renewal + Reciprocal Aid on him, but he’s -HP +Spd) and he was a passive all round buffer like that. But I’m also eyeing up Raven. I’ve got a 4*+9 at the moment, and if I were to promote the next 4* I get and merge him back to the +9, he would be really quite good like that. 57/45 Atk/Spd without buffs or stat raising skills (with the refined weapon), at that point might put something like Fury or LnD (again) and Desperation on him.
My pity breaking 5* Caeda (the second one even…) is +Atk -Spd which is somewhat tragic for this upgrade. So she stays benched. (the first one was +HP -Atk…)
Minerva is tough. She’s been powercrept pretty hard since her speed is only 33 without a boon or Fury, but obviously Refined Hauteclere Moonbow takes a chunk out of everything. I think you’ve got the right idea going with Marth unless you’ve got a Flier Emblem team you like. Jeorge is actually the only lower rarity unit I’ve never pulled (except Soleil now I guess), so I can’t speak on him.
Those Caedas are indeed rough. I happened to have a random +SPD/-HP one lying around, and while people seem to think +ATK is better, I’m hoping Flashing Blade will make up for it. I’m not totally sure what special to give her though.
I also have a +SPD/-RES Raven sitting at 4* and with the double LnD that gives him a 41/60/48/15/9 spread, which would probably still get him killed by anything red. I’m not sure how much work that’s doing over the Brave Set though. My guess would be that Fury is the compromise. It helps desperation anyway. But yeah, you would clearly have more experience with Raven than I would. I don’t know what to make of him right now.
I only got a Minerva very late, so my Flier team has had a Cherche on it for the longest time. Now at 4* + 10 and with a Brave Axe+ courtesy of a pity breaking Raven I don’t really need Minerva for a Flier team. She’d be on the backup Flier team if anything, which is why I’ve held off refining her weapon so far. But it would be nice to switch it up every once in a while. I’ve got enough good fliers to make a second wing squad.
Ever since I promoted Marth to 5* recently he’s been doing extremely well for me. So I think he will definitely get priority over Minerva at least. The spectrum combat buff synergizes well with his role as healer/buffer and occasional green slayer in TT for me.
Jeorge was my first archer back in February of last year. I used him a lot until I got any better alternatives. Also recently promoted him to 5* but I’m still far from finishing him. Since I’ve got other archers now, who I suppose are arguably better, I guess he will have to wait a little longer. (funnily enough it’s that very first one I promoted, pulled him at -HP +Atk before any of us even cared about IVs)
Of the 4* available ones I think I’m only missing Sothe now. After almost a year I finally pulled a Klein a few weeks ago.
Iceberg maybe?
My Raven is -HP/+Spd (I thought it was +Atk but I remembered wrong) and if I do what I mentioned he would be 4*+10 with 42/60/48/25/22 with Fury. Fury would definitely be the way to go. Raven could never take a hit in the first place, but a second LnD would absolutely make him too frail, as you said. And Fury + Desperation always synergize well. I’ve got Luna on him right now. Basilikos also accelerates cooldown so… I think I will definitely play around with this. So I guess that’s my divine dew planned… all I need is one more Raven.
For comparison with a Brave Axe+ 4*+10 Raven would be at 39/47/38/30/27 also with Fury. I think I prefer playing with the glassier one 😉 although both are probably quite fun. Since this is all before buffs. Well, I will get both a Brave Axe+ and Basilikos with my merge so I can test both. If he were to reliably quad when buffed to 42 speed with the Brave Axe+ one could even put something like Astra on him.
Berserk Armads? So… can normal Hector’s Armads receive a refinement in a future update?
Also, Eliwood has Rally Atk Def, Fire Boost and Goad Armor.
And what about the Armored Boots skill? Will it be a Tempest Trial reward? Armored Boots Sacred Seal?
I decided to refine Masked Lucina’s Falchion. She is +1, but now I am thinking to make her +3. I have a “normal” Lucina, but she is -Spd, and this is bad.
Also, I am a little disappointed with all Falchions refinements, because none of them have something extra against dragons.
A topped-off Alm will decimate dragons with that Double Lion effect, though. It effectively turns Falchion into a 16 Might Brave Weapon. …That is still effective against Dragons and gets Renewal 3. Wew.
I agree, but having “If foe is a dragon, neutralizes foe’s bonuses (from skills like Fortify, Rally, etc.) during combat.” would be cool.
Also, I do not have Alm so… yeah…
Chrom does like 70 to Fae without buffs, and an extra +6 Def on her doesn’t matter, Lucina should be able to take 1 hit from Adult Tiki and kill her in two hits especially with Bond Spectrum. The only thing with Alm is he would need watersweep to nullify counter attacks from dragonstone but otherwise the ignore buffs doesn’t matter much since they either one-shot or should be able to double. The only issue is Nowi which is understandable.
I didn’t make a build for her yet. She only has her place and Glacies. I still thinking what to do with her. She will not be part of my main team, but she will be a good unit for Arena Assaut.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, or for anything with armor… I have no idea if we’d want ATK, SPD, or maybe RES. Glacies or Astra? Probably Fury, maybe Desperation. I don’t know. I’ve already chosen to build Caeda, so it’s going to be forever until I refine one or get the right boon
Yeah. My Felicia is +Atk -HP. She has 31 Ho, 40 Atk, 37 Spd, 18 Def and 35 Res. Desperation is a good option. I was thinking about Death Blow or Mirror Strike.
Glimmer could be another option for her Special, because of the 2 cooldown.
Slap to the face for everyone who +10 merged Hector.
Lyn is meh, but is honestly the only one I’d pull from this banner.
Lilina is irrelevant due to Cecilia.
Roy is meh.
Guess who’s refining Alm’s weapon this week?
Roy is basically archer Reinhardt. Probably won’t be as potent as actual Reinhardt, but he’s definitely most threatening after Hector. Lilina is probably also the best Blade tome user of the three green horses, so they all have a niche. Lyn is fine for budget players who don’t have the new armor skills to give away.
And do report back on Alm. He sounds frightening with Double Lion
The problem with Roy is that he’s limited to this banner as well as a future legendary hero banner. Cecilia is still the best cavalry green mage due to easy availability and merges allowing for a greater arena score.
Thanks! Wish you luck on this banner as well as I hope you get an Alm in the future.
Ah I wasn’t thinking in terms of merges and availability. I see your point then. I would’ve thought the seasonal banners would be big for the more invested players, but maybe they’re only worthwhile if they have good skills, because of the exclusivity?
In any case, I’d love an Alm, though I’m having a hard time scrounging up the dew he would need.
Well Tap Battle was, unsurprisingly, tedious, but I do like how they’ve at least realized their writing can at least strive for entertaining (and it was!). Hector is terrifying.
Alas, with two sets of new heroes coming and another 4/5* banner, I can’t find it in me to pull here. And that’s not even mentioning the shot at Alm and Hinoka.
Unless there is some hidden reward at the end, I don’t see the point of doing more than one round of tap battle, since the rewards don’t even scale with difficulty. There is also no way I’m turning on voices, so there’s no appeal in this to me.
Regarding the bgm, I’ve played with sounds off in general for quite some time now due to that inconsistency.
I haven’t found any reason to do more than one round, thankfully, and even the rewards are kind of boring. You’d almost think there would have to be something to justify even developing the game mode, because it seems like a really roundabout way to give us one orb, a few crystals, and whatever else it is.
It would have been more appealing if you could grind it for more stuff, and if they gave you some control over the music. Starting with the map themes from Binding Blade and Shadow Dragon (which we’ve probably all heard a million times) was not ideal
Yay! Lucky me! I got LA!Hector as my free summoning! And after 60 more Orbs, I got LA!Lyn (Yes! Lyn Emblem!), and, for my surprise and happiness, Ninian in the same summoning session!
I got a +Res – HP Hector, a +Atk – Res Lyn and a +Spd – Def Ninian.
The “Falchion” Summoning Focus will be something. Only Red units as focus. Corrin and Azura BHB? Iam ok with it. It will probably have Male Corrin? Also, the banner always have 3 units, so… M!Corrin, Azura and… maybe Felicia (because she is Corrin’s retainer and she got a new weapon), or even F!Corrin. I am happy with Arvis’s return. He is a good unit, and free Def Ploy is always welcomed. The “Shadow Dragon” maps are based on Warriors, so… a lot of reinforcements! And finally, GHB Elite quest are really interesting. Not only we will get a lot of orbs, but also 4-stars heroes and blessing, which will help you a lot in for the new “Legendary Mode”.
This banner gave me bountiful gifts. Effie with +atk -spd, Jaffar -hp +spd, Hinoka at neutral and Vlyn (+hp -def). All in 130 so it was worth the amount. Was only sniping blues
100 orbs later, and Hawkeye comes in to ruin things for me…again. I’m seriously starting to hate Hawkeye, please IS, get rid of these 5* pity breaks. Things are not turning out well with this banner.
Ugh, I know what you mean…I blew 120 Orbs on the Hero Fest that featured Genny and had it broken by a Kagero and then a Lucius. Sanaki’s also kicked me in the nuts before as well. It’s super frustrating that so many meh Units are in the 5S Pool when maybe three players in the world will ever be happy pulling them. Same goes for quite a few 4S Units – Bartre in particular won’t leave me alone, and I’m sick of pulling him.
Hey, at least you got the one you were initially looking for! Plus, you managed to not have your Pity Rate busted by Lili…wait. Hawkeye was a worse Break. Sigh…well, you got your Hector and I got my Roy, so we’re both good!
“The new sprites on the binders do not reflect any future game plans.”
…Shut up Vince, let us dream.
Also RIP not living in Japan because a festival of people to play Cipher with is a beautiful thing and the rest of us have to sit on the sidelines and cry ourselves to sleep at night waiting for an internationalization that’s about as likely as a No Game No Life Season 2.
Hmmm, looking at early builds for Hector and Lyn, and also at the Armor GHB quests, I’m starting to think Armor is the “qhale” playstyle where cavalry is the budget style. Most of the new armors are special or locked into 5*, and the really viable builds seem to make heavy use of Bold Fighter, Vengeful Fighter, and Armor March, which would be expensive to get (and now impossible in the case of the first two), much less fodder. The only armors I have are the free Black Knight and Zephiel, Effie, and Normal Hector, but I could see people not even having that, so I’m a little worried about those quests.
@Sisyphe So I refined Alm’s Falchion and now he’s a total beast. Mine is +hp -res so his overall combat ability isn’t that affected. I’m running Death Blow, Hit and Run, Threaten Def, and Heavy Blade seal on him. Glimmer to enhance the dragon effective damage.
There was a skill called Armor Boots found in the datamine so I’m guessing it’s a brand new seal that has an seal original effect.
That damage sounds absurd. How are his matchups? Can he handle Nowi or other blues at all? I guess he functions a lot like Brave Chrom, so he’s probably still at risk of getting blown up by mages on enemy phase.
If I remember correctly, Armor Boots allows an armored unit to move two spaces at full HP. I suspect it will be the 40,000 reward in the Tempest Trials. It will be pretty useful for armor teams, who I’m getting increasingly concerned about.
By having Dark Aura give +6 atk and +3 atk from Lucina’s Geirskogul as well as Delthea’s Drive Atk giving another +3, plus Axezura’s quadruple stat buff affecting other stats, plus summoner support, plus ally support, he can kill every opponent in the game with their default kits according to FEH mass simulator. And by using just a simple 1 on 1 match up with these buffs on Alm against Nowi who maximized her defensive capabilities with a def boon, summoner support, fortify dragons, ally support, double close def, def refined lightning breath, triple drive def, fully charged escutheon, shield pulse, Alm still wins. TA Nowi fucks him in the ass though. And my Alm doesn’t even have +atk. I have all these units for buffs so this team should be fun.
I run Hit and Run so he can escape foe’s range.
I like Hit and Run on him. I think that was a good call. Axura is a great partner as well since she dances and buffs, beats TA blues, and can tank Reinhardt. I have to imagine cavalry would still give him a hard time because of their range, because I can’t imagine he’s taking many hits in this meta.
I have all these units as 5-starts in my Catalog. I made both Klein and Clarine 5-stars last year, but with her I only did it to give my Genny Fear+. And I was Lucky to get Ninian when I was trying to get LA!Lyn. For this banner, I will only get the free summoning.
On auto-battle Hard 5 you use an extra 760 Stamina (or maybe closer to 640, I think I messed my math up somewhere), ignoring the 3x multipliers. With a 1.2x focus you overall would need 4180 stamina to reach 100k points, this number does include the 3x daily bonus. You would only need 2090 stamina to reach 50k and only 1672 stamina to reach 40k points for the final notable reward. Assuming you use your 100 Stamina twice a day you can get 200 per day without pots, or 2800 used over the course of the entire event without using stamina pots. Alternatively you get 1400 over the course of the event if you only play once a day.
So beyond that (assuming you put in the effort any F2P should and you’re making using 200 stamina a day) let’s see how many stamina pots you would need for the three important thresholds:
40,000: 1672 – 2800: You’ve met the goal playing free with a 1.2x focus and even have time to spare.
50,000: 2090 – 2800: Again you’ve met the goal easily as a F2P with a 1.2x focus.
100,000: 4180 – 2800 = 1380 Stamina required to hit 100,000 points. Which is 14 Stamina Pots. Which is less than the amount you get for free from playing daily and completing the associated quests. (1 per day week one and 2 per day week two).
This is not difficult at all.
EDIT: Especially because you have Clarine as a 20% focus, who any F2P should have at least one of.
Point is people also have one thing called “a life”.
I can’t spend all my time consuming 200 stamina points per day, not even leaving the game on auto since it requires me to confirm some choices at the beginning of every map.
Each run takes ~5-6 minutes with confirmations at most.
5 runs per 100 stamina = 30 minutes.
200 stamina per day = 1 hour.
You don’t even need to be actively paying attention for that whole time. I do HW or exercise or watch shows or anything else at all while grinding TT. Autobattle 5 is the least effort you could possibly put into an event like this and it has such minimal risks associated with it that you can look over every now and again while doing anything else and be fine.
There’s a difference between saying a game is becoming harder for F2P and complaining that you don’t want to put in the effort to properly be F2P. If you want the rewards for playing an event, then you actually have to play the event and considering the rewards consist of:
42 Orbs.
Three Seals.
2 V!Eliwoods (who is our second source of Goad Armor.)
Lots of Crystals, big and small.
An Earth Blessing.
11k Feathers from points alone.
and 80 Sacred Coins.
It speaks that minimal effort would be required on a F2P player’s end to reach the top scores. I haven’t even covered the placement rewards, daily quest rewards, SP farming benefits or even the HM farming rewards you receive from TT.
As a word of advice try this: 100 Stamina in the morning while you wake up and get ready for the day. 100 Stamina in the evening while you have dinner and wind down for the night. And then you can use stamina pots on the weekend to boost your score if you want the extra rewards from 50,000 points+.
Even if you don’t want to play twice a day, you’ve still almost reached the 40,000 point threshold for all important rewards by playing once a day and then using a couple extra runs here or there beyond that.
There is no excuse for a F2P not to hit 40,000k or even 100,000k points. This is not FGO, this is not a hard grind.
EDIT: At most a TT run will take 5-6 minutes, usually only 2-3.
“At most a TT run will take 5-6 minutes, usually only 2-3.” The highest difficulty one? That is 7 maps right? You think 20-50 seconds a map? (not to mention for some F2P players that requires using only your best possible units, who don’t benefit as much from the SP). (FWIW, I don’t think a top-level TT run has ever taken me less than 10 minutes, and I don’t beat it with a single team if I try to auto-battle through it.)
I explicitly stated Hard 5. Which is a level 30 difficulty setting with 5 maps.
Turn off all animations and you’re looking at easily fitting into a 36 second per map period at the higher end of the time it would take to complete a map.
On top of this you could spend even less grinding if you had a team capable of handling Lunatic 5 or even Lunatic 7 on auto-battle. However I agree that that is a lot more difficult to achieve, which is why I used auto-battle 5 in my premise.
I don’t think you’re wrong, because I haven’t, and can’t, check your math, but I probably would’ve recommended a gentler tone. As a F2P player, I’m mostly fine with them giving us a 20% unit, and I’ve maxed the Trials every time, even the first time, which sucked. People can pay for convenience I guess.
Besides, it really hard to lose even on the hardest difficulty with a Xander-Reinhardt-Cecilia-Brave Lyn Horse Emblem team, which is two free units and two units available at 4* or less, and my Reinhardt is even -ATK. I don’t even have any crazy skills on them. In fact, my Xander still has Armored Blow. So I guess I’ll just use this comment as another reminder that all F2P people should have that team build, and the Trials will never be an issue if you do. At least, getting to 40k won’t be. Any higher and you will have to work for it.
You’re probably right that I could have used a gentler tone. I just tend to find it hard to keep my cool when people complain about something being difficult when instead it is just them being lazy or inefficient.
No worries. It didn’t really bother me, but well, you have to play to your audience, which is fine too. The Reddit post looks really thorough though. I’ve never used auto-battle before, so it was really helpful for me. Thanks!
As expected, Xander Infernal is the first of the Infernal maps whose quests I have no chance of complete with my Emblem teams. I expect Robin and Ursula to be similarly insurmountable. I really hate leaving orbs on the table, but I guess the blessings are the primary prize with the new game mode coming (ick).
Xander’s Infernal battle is really difficult to win with Emblem teams. I only got with my Infantry Team (thanks to VL! Ike), and with my Armored Team (thanks to WE! Tharja)
Yeah, I beat it with my normal team (Micaiah, Sothe, P!Azura, and Genny) for the Infantry win, but none of my Emblem teams have the dancer/movement skill combo, so I can’t survive any of the attacks. Without that, you basically need certain units (Sigurd for cavalry, Tharja for armor, Palla could probably tank the green mages), so I’m stuck
Yeah I can see Christmas Tharja being broken for that map, I haven’t done it yet because I have limited feathers and box space. For flier emblem my -Res Tana could tank a hit from the green cav with double ward and takes 0 from Xander. From there it was Desperation Minerva and NY Azura nonsense, but you said you don’t have the dancer combo which sucks.
I don’t really understand why a dancer combo is basically essential for these maps. I realize most people have them, but I’m sure there are other ways to design the maps. My Caeda with 37 Res couldn’t survive Xander, the green mage, and the WoM healer, who finished her off at 1 HP by doing 1 point of damage. I pretty much quit after that.
That’s funny doing 1 damage when you have 1 HP left, I had something
similar happen with my Distant Defense Fury Corrin being reduced to 1
health after the green cav then Xander killing her doing 1 damage. Maybe you could use Narcian to take out the Lance enemy, reposition him with Caeda or Palla so Xander goes in her direction, but even from there the other green mage is an issue if you don’t have a ranged or distant counter unit. Hopefully you get some luck in getting a unit that can fill those criteria other than that the emblem team quests for Xander’s infernal seems ridiculous if you don’t have certain seasonal units.
Yeah, I’m out of repositions too, is the thing. I feel like that will change eventually, and once it does, I’ll probably figure fliers out. Besides, I guess I have a year…I’d like to think I’ll acquire a Sigurd by then, for instance, which will help with cavalry. I really just don’t like playing armors though, so I only have the common and free ones.
I really didn’t have any trouble with the Emblem teams with his infernal, but that’s just because I lucked out in pulling certain units (like LA LYN and HA Nowi), but what I will say is fuck that mode for horse emblem. That’s the version that a majority of people (and me) are having trouble with. If it wasn’t for that asshole Keen Wolf Tome user on the top, and the fact that Infernal Xander is set up so you can’t ORKO him, then it wouldn’t be as bad. (yeah, Guard, Aegis, Panic Ploy, & DEF RES buffs….you know the devs were making this unbelievably hard on purpose).
I used Sigurd, Reposition Brave Lyn, Mirror Strike Gunnthra, and Hone Calvary Mathilda. First I repositioned Sigurd with Lyn so he could kill the green cav, then with speed smoke and hone cavalry buff Gunnthra could kill the green mage and I had Mathilda block the sword enemy. Xander then proceeds to aggro onto Lyn who takes one hit and things were simple from there.
Surprisingly, Xander is the least of my worries, since Caeda, S!Corrin, and Reinhardt kill him easily. It’s really not so bad if you can survive the first turn, but I just can’t right now with the units and skills I’ve got.
I managed to deal with that Keen Green by equipping Quickend Pulse on Brave Roy, who killed Keen and damaged the regular green near him enough for Brave Lyn to finish him off from down below. Reinhardt and Gunnthra were just there as Reposition bots with the former dealing some helpful damage on Xander and the other Sword. From that point on the rest of the map was easy.
Though I suppose Roy and Lyn couldn’t have survived that tactic if they weren’t both at +2.
Anyone else wondering what the hot springs are meant to be for at the end of the tap battle? So far nothing has come of it unless it’s suppose to give something for completing all difficulties or something. Otherwise it seems like a giant let-down.
Probably. Being competitive in this game is kinda stupid though imo. The only time I’d actually spend money is if there’s a character I really want, such as a certain nonexistent Marisa.
If it stacks with Armor March I’m not ready for three-move armors either… I find Armor March overpowered already, with the inflated armor stats taking away their one disadvantage is just ridiculous. If one of them can now move three spaces… just no
You make a good point. I am also not ready for that. I don’t necessarily find Armor March overpowered, but I think the defense tiles and the recent armor power creep have definitely not helped things
Considering we now have armors with insane speeds but still the same high defence and res stats I find Armor March a bit much. It’s extra stats without any drawbacks? Despite having some good armors and Armor March available I still don’t find them particularly fun to play.
I mean, I pulled LA!Lyn inside 5 orbs (lucky for once though I wasn’t even trying for her) and got +Spd -Res. Which is really good. But my point is 39 speed unbuffed on an armor? wtf (armor mages to begin with… )
And it’s not like the rest of her stats are bad, only HP is a bit low for armor.
But nevermind that… the beast that is WE!Tharja…
oh well
That being said, I did get another Raven and did what I said I would. It’s fun but insane. I went overboard and put Galeforce on him for the hell of it. Technically he would probably be best with Draconic Aura (I gave him the Heavy Blade 3 seal, figured with 60 Atk unbuffed I could use that).
So he’s now got Basilikos + LnD 3, Reposition, Galeforce (or Luna or Glimmer, depending on what I feel like), Fury 3, Desperation 3, Threaten Def 3 and the Heavy Blade 3 Seal. 42/60/48/25/22
Because I’m crazy, I currently have him in a team with a dancer with Hone Atk 3, Fjorm with Drive Atk 2 and gave him an Earth blessing and L!Ike makes a great buddy for him. That’s 69 attack…
Kills basically anything.
I agree with you actually. I didn’t find Armor March overpowered when it came out with Amelia, but as you said (and I said) the power creep of the higher BST armors, with mages, and speed, and even more ridiculously balanced defenses has made it a little much. I’ve seen Winter Tharja for example that, once on defense tiles in the arena, even my blue mages like Reinhardt and Delthea can’t duel.
I also commented elsewhere that I think they’re using armor as the new whale bait since all the crazy armor skills are so hard to get. But even then, I also don’t find it particularly fun to play them.
How are your matchups? I’m sure he obliterates stuff like Nowi and Effie, but is he getting wins over neutral tanks like B!Ike? Can he handle reds at all? I kind of feel like the disadvantage means he’s won’t get those kills or survive the counterattack, but desperation could change that. Obviously units like him become more valuable the more wins they get outside of their color advantage
I tried to reply twice in detail but Disqus has decided to mark it as spam no matter what I do… let’s hope this works.
So here’s the shorter version… he does extremely well against almost anything. With the buffs and team I described above (their default buffing skills) and added ally support S rank and threaten defense working, there is only Laslow who survives him engaging at full health, if I switch to Draconic Aura and Vantage.
With my current skillset that number goes up to 5 who beat him, notably including only winter Chrom and valentine’s Hector, no one else worth mentioning.
Unbuffed and with my current skillset and without threaten defense taking effect he loses to 20 charas, notably among those the ones already mentioned plus Zelgius, winter Tharja, Black Knight, Sigurd, Hector, Effie and Myrrh.
Even in enemy phase at full health he will only be KOed by 21 charas, this is without any buffs or threaten. He will actually win a few of his matchups he loses in player phase this way, all the ones mentioned except winter Tharja. Of course these are all just with their base skillsets and unmerged 5 star. With the buffs etc. in enemy phase he does just as well as player phase losing to only 5, Elincia and Sanaki worth mentioning.
All in all he’s an insane beast really, at 4 stars plus 10.
This is all without desperation, his matchups looks a little bit worse if he’s in range. Draconic Aura and Vantage may be better, but for repeated use Draconic Aura and Desperation should be best. If his special is charged nothing survives being initiated on. Go Raven. I shall have fun with Galeforce though and the monster I created.
I do like the idea of the Armored Boots, promoting mixed teams, though we’ll have to wait until people get it and test it out to see it’s viability. I usually like to run mix teams in the arena since the same emblem teams every week gets boring.
Zelgius with no Alondite is a nice touch IntSys, the mixups are real. But in all seriousness, the high number of armor slaying weapons is annoying for this tempest trial with 4 of the 8 bonus units being armored.
I like to use mixed teams too. With mixed teams, we can use tactics skills. Also, Zelgius with no weapon is funny.
Now, about the armor slaying weapons in this TT… every time I found Micaiah, I have difficulties to win, especially if she is in the final map.
Micaiah is a huge pain, I usually have to get lucky with enemy placements and use my +res LA!Hector, after P!Azura dance buffs, to bait her. Despite triangle advantage, he still takes a crap ton of damage which is why if another enemy can attack, especially if it’s another mage, he’s screwed, and since he’s also -def, hard hitting greens and reds too.
My LA! Hector is + Res, but I used to different tactic. I am not using a dancer in this TT. My team is: LA! Hector, LA! Lyn, Bride Lyn and Marth. With Bride Lyn’s Drive Res, Marth’s refined Falchion and LA! Lyn’s ally support, I can give my Hector +7 Res during combat, and also from ally support and a combination of Marth’s Falchion and Marth’s Drive Spd, Hector also get +7 Spd, making Hector not get doubled too often.
Ok. Linde is the character with a different moveset, and she is great! She is so fun to play with.
Minerva is a Camilla’s clone, and Navarre is a Lyn’s clone.
Honestly, Camilla and Lyn are two of the best characters in the game. It’s not like getting another Archer or Pegasus Knight. Also, and this is based on my quick playing of her, but Minerva feels more like a Defense Tank to Camilla’s Resistance Tank, so she is at least filling a niche that isn’t already filled.
Fair, I got that idea from Minerva too – it helps that her Skill shuts Archers down, allowing her to be more Defense-focused. My issue is more that there are two clone characters, rather than which two are the clones, considering it already felt like the only reason they included Shadow Dragon to begin with was because of the Marth Clause obligations. Really, my final verdict on this pack will be waiting until we get the Awakening one – Owain’s clearly a Ryoma clone, but if both of the others are brand new movesets that(at least to me) proves they mainly thought of this game as Fateswakening Feat. Marth. If, on the other hand, Tharja copies Robin as I suspect she will, I think I personally can let the double clone issue slide.
Also, am I the only one who thinks Linde’s run cycle looks kind of ridiculous?
With Linde now, I don’t know if Tharja will be a Robin clone or a Linde clone.
And, for sure, Olivia will be the one with a new moveset. I can easily see Olivia’s strong attack (Y) have the same effect of Azura’s strong attack.
Maybe because Niles was already in the game data. Probably Oboro, Niles and Owain will be the only ones to have support. But I want a Azura / Olivia support.
I prefer to use the original costume insted of the promoted costume… but Navarre’s promoted costume is way better than the original one. He looks great in the Hero outfit.
It’s funny how the player phase on the Navarre Map is just silence, I wonder for a bit if I accidentally muted it until I heard the usual enemy phase theme, a clear oversight. Wonder how long it will take for IS to realize, doesn’t really matter for me though since I usually keep my phone muted because of the constant shift between player and enemy phase themes, and how irritating it gets.
Yeah, when going through the DLC myself, I immediately noticed that these characters are better at standing on their own merit than Fates did by filling out the roster with unmounted lance users with a character dedicated to support (sorry Niles, I may have you as my system voice, but you’re not that good beyond your skill).
I was honestly shocked at Linde having a unique moveset and Minerva doesn’t, but Linde’s moveset does wonders for her and Camilla’s was already rather good, so if it ain’t broke, it shouldn’t be fixed, I guess. Minerva has the highest strength in the game in addition to being a flier immune to bows (and Falchion, too!). She’s likely gonna be a dominant character from here on. Linde’s moveset and excellent magic make her do well in crowds. And anyone who has played Lyn long enough should know very well that Navarre being her with higher strength makes him already dominant.
All in all, anyone looking for good characters to play with should get this DLC. This article is great!
I am surprising to see IS found a way to make the battles harder, by reducing the special cooldown for the 1st turn. This is cheating! Oh well… It is really challenging, and, for me, one of the main reasons is having my team separated.
Also, why Kagero? It should be Felicia or Jakob in the banner.
And, sorry for the players who don’t have PA!Azura, but I hope she don’t win the Hero Rise event. She is the only unit who don’t have a use besides of being a really good dance. The others 3 are both really good units and skill fodders.
If Urðr was not a exclusive weapon, I would love having another PA!Azura to give my NY!Azura the Urðr axe.
Felicia will (supposedly) already be on the “New Power” banner on the 20th.
I did expect a Corrin’s retainer to fill the third spot, but with Felicia out of the question, the choice boils down to Jakob or Gunter. Jakob is already one of the most unwelcome five-star pity breaker, and Gunter is extremely common and mostly used as source of Hone Cavalry.
Neither Jakob nor Gunter would incentivise pulling grey or green (respectively).
I’m proud of the voters for their choices. I think I’m probably actually going to vote for Tharja. I can’t deny the usefulness, especially since I already have PA!Azura
It’s not a bad pool, but I do have all 4. My VL Ike is -Def though so I’ll probably vote for him. Hector and Tharja would be great for their skills too. PA!Azura is arguably the most useful but I like the IVs on mine *selfish* and she’s not that interesting as skill fodder.
I’ll see what I come up with. Probably fliers as well.
Btw, I did reply to your enquiry about Raven’s matchups, it just took me a long time because Disqus marked my replies as spam twice…
So you did. Well, I guess I’ll just respond here then. Desperation vs. Vantage seems like a major question, since the former is a little easier to use at the expense of less damage in the end. Plus, it allows him to 2KO. I’d probably lean Vantage at first, but I’m interested to see what you find. Additionally, I tend to buff speed over attack, so I’m wondering if that would be more useful as far as team support. My Raven is +SPD/-RES though, so he’ll already hit 46 SPD at 5* with no merges and LnD + Fury
Also, I also have a PA!Azura, so she’s basically TA fodder to me. I have a PoD Ike, and I don’t really feel like I need the Vanguard version. I’d probably fodder one of them. I also have Hector, so that leaves Tharja, who also has the advantage of breaking certain PvE maps
I’ll stick with Desperation for now as it lets me initiate multiple times, or bait once, initiate from then on. He’s actually sturdier than expected, probably because the chances of getting doubled are really slim at 48 speed, at least with the kind of arena matches I get with my team, and outside obviously anyway. For him attack is more beneficial than speed (as buffs go, mine is +Spd -HP), for others I don’t know. I generally prefer speedy glass cannons anyway, and when I can I buff both attack and speed. Just the team I’m currently using Raven with doesn’t have anyone to buff speed. Instead I have VL Ike’s Defense Tactic, a Hone Attack and a Drive Attack plus the Earth Blessing’s bonus. Outside of Earth season I might run him with another red, most of my regularly used sword users have Hone Speed.
I see, so your Raven is 5*. For me he is a great unit for 4 star stacking, I find I pull him quite frequently.
Yes, but TA is easy to get elsewhere, so the others would be nicer for skills. If I get another Ike I might fodder the -Def one I have, although he’s been performing well enough despite that terrible bane. Any free 5 star is nice in the end.
Winter Tharja is nice to have for sure, I can attest to that XD Just put her somewhere and watch everyone kill themselves on her. Always bait.
Ah, but I guess if everyone has a winter Tharja that might get quite annoying in arena. (I’ve never put mine, nor Brave Lyn, I find it way too annoying facing her all the time)
I only have the one Raven I mentioned, who is actually 4*. I haven’t promoted him because I don’t have the dew for the Basilikos. Once I do, I’ll just take your word for it and go for Desperation. You make a good point that he can tank a hit during enemy phase and get into range pretty easily with his HP. Most of my units have either Drive Spd or Drive Atk, with a preference for Spd, but I guess I’ll see how the matchups turn out.
I have PA!Azura, so I wouldn’t vote for her, especially since as you said, TA is available elsewhere. However, I have some friends who don’t have her, and I can’t fault people who don’t have her for voting for her. Winter Tharja is tough for me in Arena Assault, because she can even beat my blue mages depending on stats, build, or defense tiles. However, for Arena, I run Micaiah, or Reinhardt if I’m running Horse, so she’s since stopped bugging me. I’m more interested in her for her PvE potential, as I said.
If you don’t already have PA!Azura she’s definitely the best choice from my point of view too. Guess we’ll see how it turns out.
Ah, it’s not winter Tharja who bothers me atm, Fjorm deals with her fine as well. Brave Lyn is annoying. I can deal with her, but the range and the fact that DC doesn’t work means you have to either be extremely careful or bring a build to specifically deal with her and not much else. Like a TA Raven Bowbreaker. Currently have that on Inigo, so at least I don’t “lose” a slot for it, but his BST is terrible. Well, I don’t really care about getting to Tier 20, I’m comfortable going between 18 and 19 all the time.
I also choose to hover between 18 and 19. Micaiah KOs Lyn on the counter under most circumstances, so that helps me. However, in Arena Assault, I was seeing so many Lyns that I built out six separate Raven users (Robin-M, Robin-F, Lilina, S!Camilla, Inigo, and Lyon). Plus, I have Sheena with Bowbreaker and a Masked Marth with a Fury/Threaten Speed combo to tank a hit and double next Player Phase. I kind of think it’s ridiculous that I need most of that…
Same here, only it’s male Robin, Inigo, Lyon, Merric, Boey, female Corrin, adult Tiki and a Bowbreaker Cecilia who can do it for me (with Gronnblade though). It is ridiculous for sure.
Btw my current arena team with Raven, Fjorm, Inigo and VL Ike somehow defended against someone running this:
Not too hard. Did all three difficulties with Sheema and Tana on the left side, and Marisa and Tiltyu on the right.
Also, while I dislike Tharja, this voting really means nothing. I kinda want VF more than DC so I’m gonna vote for her as well, although I would’ve preferred BF since it suits my Sheema build better.
I’m voting W!Tharja, I have a -Atk/+Spd, absolute worse IVs, and is still super good, so I’d like a better one. I already have P!Azura with great IVs and I’ve gotten 3 Hectors already total. I personally find VL!Ike to be overrated a bit, he’s not at all bad and is definitely top tier, but not 1st worthy. I think a lot of people were just lazy and didn’t want to bother spending to get him (but isn’t that the point of the orbs?).
VL!Ike also requires a specific resources rare and expensive fodder to make him truly optimal while W!Tharja basically comes with her most important skills in her base kit and really only needs common, inexpensive fodder to fill in the gaps (unless you plan on going Armor March Emblem).
Vote for who you want, but I’ll recommend either W!Tharja or P!Azura since they’re the seasonal units of the batch, Ike will have at least 3 more legendary banners left for people to try for, and Hector is in the regular pool and will likely show up more in future banners due to his popularity.
I enjoyed this BHB, Infernal took me three tries but I eventually found out how to manipulate the AI right. PoR Ike and Lancina on the right, and Nino and PA!Olivia on the left. What was very surprising, though, was that I free summoned a 5 star Kagero. If I ever get Sothe, he will have lots of fun with that Poison Dagger.
As for the voting, I doubt anyone will change their minds on who they want; it’s either going to be Ike or Tharja. Can’t complain with any choice, though I personally want Ike for an Earth team for AA, so he’s the one I’ll be voting for. I hope the community gets what they want.
Tharja is the one which I think out of the four units is the best unit. Azura is just slightly better than most dancers, but she’s not worth that much. V!Ike is just another DC sword unit. His Warding Breath isn’t even that good on meele infantry units. Hector is just DC fodder. His stats are good, but DC is the only reason anyone would vote for him (what I’m saying is tat they just want free DC fodder). Problem is that people don’t realize that DC isn’t just something that makes any unit good if you slap it on.
Tharja is a excellent enemy phase unit with a excellent base kit. You’d also be getting a valor skill for free. And if you don’t like her that much then at least consider foddering her for Vengeful Fighter
I think PA!Azura carries more utility than any other unit in the game. In addition to TA and a legendary weapon, the stat boosts can make a huge difference on inflated PvE maps and also really help with leveling and grinding. That’s why I think everyone should have one. She can fill a combat role like any other unit, and she really improves quality of life for players by making everything just a little easier.
“She has basically no additional utility once you have one though.”
That’s my thought too. I hope she does not win, because I don’t need a 2nd PA! Azura. I would probably merge her with mine. I prefer to have Distant Counter, Vengeful Fighter or Warding Breath than a Lv40+1 PA! Azura.
Both Caeda and Felicia I have 5-stars, and both are +Atk.
The only hero I would like from his banner is Hinoka, but I will not spend my orbs on it. I will keep my orbs for the next main banner, or for the Legendary Banner next week.
Pulled a 4* L’arachel with my free summon. Should’ve figured she’d be the one to have her rarity reduced, but nevertheless it made my day. Also, only two more days left of this vile tapping…
That Celica is not going to be fun, between the buff and Chill Spd. I’m already annoyed by Gunnthra’s skill. I don’t like debuffs you can’t avoid at all…
Hardin and Celica loom really pretty though. Also, the armor additions continue
I wonder what happens if the top speed is shared between two charas? Is there some kind of tiebreaker or will both or neither then be debuffed?
I’d have prefered for those skills to stay super rare. They’re kind of OP… this week I saw a valentine’s Hector with Quick Riposte seal and Bold Fighter B skill. What can you even do against that.
I think, from my experience with Gunnthra, it debuffs both. As usual, I think the skills would be fine if they didn’t keep adding more ridiculous armors. And as you say, the quick riposte seal is part of that.
For Valentine’s Hector you would pretty much have to attack into him and hope he does before his second attack, which is hard to do. Otherwise, units with axebreaker will be necessary for arena assault. I also main Genny so a lot of the time I just dazzling gravity troll him.
It’s really hard to 1HKO him. Ah, Axebreaker, a rare sight. I suppose… it’s already on my new toy, Raven, but eh.
Speaking of, I’ve never had as many defense wins as I do these past two weeks. Still with VL Ike (-Def!), Fjorm, Inigo and Raven. Guess it’s just not quite what people expect?
Never had a Genny, that would certainly work. My little Nino properly buffed and in Desperation range might work too. But not at full health. For that the standard Wary Fighter is actually worse.
Yeah, the problem is that you really have to treat each build like a different character. For example, I can use Tobin to tank and counter the Wary Fighter one, but that wouldn’t help me against the monstrosity you mentioned. Also, Quick Riposte does bypass Wary Fighter, so maybe that could help.
I definitely don’t have the answers for him. I’m still guessing mostly, and I expect these new three to be similar headaches
True, but for Quick Riposte you would have to bait that monster, and since that means he gets his second attack first, that’s hard to survive for anyone… ah, the Wary Fighter one of course, got it. But I don’t usually run a lot of enemy phase oriented charas.
If you run into my team, I’m sorry, I guess? I usually just have my arena team of the week defend as well, because one defense above 500 points is all I want for feathers. I don’t have a defense team as such. Just right now that means more wins than the 1-2 wins of someone messing up against my usually player phase oriented team.
If you run into that Hector as well, then I’m really sorry ^^;;
Oh, man, I’ve been waiting for Grima!Robin since this game came out, I’ve always absolutely loved the concept of actually being able to use a possessed version of them, but… it’s not female Robin.
As much as I would absolutely love to pull him for dragon + armor business, I find it hard to care all that much because it’s not the Robin I’ve spent Awakening with and poured tons of TLC into. :p
I didn’t think Grima was possible since the Avatar’s gender is depatable as well Grima being too big. They somehow managed to do it with that head cut-in
Grima is obviously going to be slow, meaning that he’ll be tanky as hell, especially with that extra dragon BST boost on top of armor. Hardin will have middling speed, a bit below 30. His def and res will be a bit higher than Eliwood’s. Celica will probably have average speed (around Joshua’s level) as well as above average def.
Dragons don’t inherently get a BST boost. Look at Tiki and Corrin for instance, they both got the original common melee infantry BST. With the dragons, it’s just the loli’s that get a trainee bonus. So I’m assuming Grima’s just gonna have the standard melee armour BST, at like 174-ish.
Not every single new banner needs a unit to be demoted to 4-stars. In my opinion, IS will keep all 3 units as 5-stars.
If not, Celica is probably the one who will be demoted. There is not chance to have a Bazen skill, Vengeful Fighter or Bold Fighter in 4-stars units.
But we need to pay attention to Chill Spd because, different from Gunnthra’s Chilling Seal, Celica doesn’t need to have HP>50% to use it.
The artist, uh, probably could’ve benefited from another draft of the face, to be generous. But in any case, I think that’s where the issue with the art is
I find the whole anatomy to be off. The legs too long, the torso too short and very weirdly defined, the waist way too slender, the shoulders and hips non-existent, the left hand, even with the perspective, big in proportion to the rest and the other hand which is much further away is not significantly smaller, and the neck seems not quite right either, the face is just the weirdest :s /rant
I actually find Robin’s to be the best of the bunch with it having it’s own style to set it apart. Hardin and Celica’s art are very standard, their not bad, but I can point to the designs of other characters not done by Daisuke Izuka or Fujikawa Akira as looking same-y, I can’t do the same for Robin.
Hmm I see what you mean. I think the face is the only thing that really bothers me, but I can see how the rest could. I kind of like it otherwise, for some reason.
I think they made Grima Robin into an armor that Grima is really gigantic in Fire Emblem Awakening and he had alot of defense and attack power that can deal with the non-Falchion users.
Since Shade’s niche is magic classes, Emma’s niche is flying classes, Yuzu’s niche is infantry classes, Randal’s niche is mounted classes, and Valjean’s niche is armored classes, what would Neve’s be? (And for that matter, what’s Alice’s?)
gonna be honest this might be the first banner I don’t really try to get anything for I like the idea but in a way I’m not feeling it rather save my orbs and wait for the next new heroes on….. march 8th I think?
Ok, from my 100+ orbs, I got a Merric (+Spd/-Def)… Damn you, Wind Mage. Thankfully, he was not the only unit I got. I also got, in the same summoning session of Merric… a Micaiah (+Atk/-HP)! Yay. And after some quests done… I got Grima Robin!(+Atk/-Def).
Now… about Laegjarn. Her weapon, Níu, is really interesting. Agains a full buffed cavalry unit (+6 in all stats), she also get +6 in all stats! That’s great!
The story is getting great, at least for me. I can see Laegjarn be one unit who will betray the Flame King in the future. Maybe she will join the Order of Heroes to have her little sister from Surtr.
Speaking of “betray”, I hope Evil Takumi have a “I am Betrayal” quote.
My luck with these last 2 banners has been terrible. 100 orbs in and I don’t have either a Hardin or Robin, but I got a Julia…sarcastic cheers…I’ve gotten more pity breaks in these 2 banners alone than I have every other banner combined.
At least the story is making good steps, and Takumi will at least be a nice GHB that I can actually 5* promote unlike the last 2.
You think your luck’s bad? I’ve gotten four -count ’em, FOUR- pity breakers. Caeda, Ogma, Eirika, and motherflipping Roy all slapped me in the face today.
Now I’m making use of Eirika and Ogma is Brave Sword+ fodder, but Caeda has bad IVs and I just foddered Roy off to Ninian to TA. But I’m at 23 orbs so I have to play the long game, need Celica and Grima.
That sounds like what happened to me with the LA Banner, I pulled Hawkeye, Ninian (Fort Dragon fodder is good), Lyn (decent Ivs) and Delthea (already have a better IV one).
Also, I have a feeling Celica’s going to be the one demoted to 4*, the red pool is over saturated with 5*s while blue and green are lacking. Plus Bold/Vengeful Fighter are the more OP skills, yeah Chill Spd is annoying but I never found Gunthra to really be that OP. Who knows, maybe IntSys will prove me wrong and make none of them 4* just to piss us off.
Gunnthra is only OP when you have a Refined Smoke Dagger user on the team. My Windsweep refined Smoke Dagger Takumi and Gunnthra are a really good together.
Also, if you have a +Res Gunnthra, she can use Res Ploy and Def Ploy Sacred Seal.
Wait, Múspell invaded Askr and Nifl, and Laegjarn treats the citizens of Nifl with respect?! Is this some kind of joke?! Because I’m not laughing, that’s not funny! And seriously, when will the Order of Heroes arrive at Castle Nifl?! There must be a chapter to unlock Gunnthrá!
I didn’t laugh either, but I’m not certain how this could be a joke. The most likely explanation is she understands her father is pretty much certifiably insane – he burned the last three psychiatrists they tried to have look at him to death(sorry, but it was too easy) – and is trying to lessen his harmful impact because she understands that tyrannical overlords are obviously given no quarter when the revolution comes, while compassionate ones have at least a small chance of making it out alive. Considering her obvious love for her little sister, who as far as I can tell is effectively an empty puppet, I’d say she plans on eventually assisting the Ocarina of Heroes to overthrow Surtr in exchange for Askr’s protection being given to Laevatainn. Whether she expects such protection extended to herself as well or if she intends to make some heroic sacrifice to somehow make Laevatainn rebel against Surtr remains to be seen.
Not every person under a despicable leader is as bad as them. Heinz Heydrich was a Nazi (only because he liked Hitler’s ideas at first) as well the younger brother of one of the people responsible for planning and managing the Holocaust. Heinz helped Jews escape by abusing the influence he got from his brother’s position as well as being a editor for a party newspaper. He was left to his own devices because of his position and didn’t attract suspicion.
But that doesn’t mean she would betray her own father, Laegjarn is still loyal to him. And now, she will have the citizens of Nifl think the Order of Heroes threatened the peace just because they defeated her and Laevatein. That’s not cool.
It’s weird that they’re trying to add character depth to some of these characters, mostly Grima and Hardin, that they didn’t have in their own games. I think they did a pretty good job with Hardin, but less so with Grima, who they seem to want to give Anankos’ motivations. Relatedly, if a little late, but I LOVED post-Demon King Lyon.
I hope they do a banner with the other three at the same time. Would’ve be a totally missed opportunity if they don’t. Also, Ike got about the same number of votes both rounds, but a vast majority of the other votes shifted gears to Tharja. That’s pretty wild actually, the community really rallied behind her. She almost won. Hector somehow managed to get less votes the second time around!
I’m personally perfectly content with the results, being the Tellius fanboy that I am. And the fact I haven’t gotten this Ike yet and he’s bound to be quite useful. Tharja certainly made it close, though… I can tell there’s gonna be some irritation going around, due to the way the devs were pushing people to vote for Ike here.
I got 13 orbs from quests and tempest trial, so… why not! Let’s spend the orbs in this banner, at 3% rate.
Results: A 4-stars Catria, a 4-star Abel (Yes! Swordbreaker 3) and… a +Atk -Res Hardin! Yay!
Now I only need Celica…
Hopefully next time the devs decide to just let us choose from the 4 winners, I am not a fan of Ike (personally find him to be the blandest FE lord) and I find W!Tharja to be the better unit. He is however a free unit that is still good so I can’t complain too much especially considering how many people rallied behind Tharja despite all the mouth breathers throwing around the usual nonsensical “thot slayer” memes.
After the 200 orbs it took to get Ike from his banner originally, I’m a bit salty. Azura or Hector would have been a lot more appreciated, but oh well. Ike’s my favorite lord, so I can’t be too mad.
Well, you can have 3 as of now. That would be a horrifying arena team to fight on the lava map or the map where everyone starts behind the breakable walls…
Okay, this is the Grand Hero Battle that I can never beat! Enemy reinforcements?! 20 damage on my team for Evil Takumi’s third turn?! 2 Anti-cavalry terrains?! This is beyond BULLCRAP!! I can’t stand watching these players beating Infernal mode with Skill Inheritance! Isn’t there anyone playing this game who beat Infernal mode without Skill Inheritance?!
No, Brotel made an F2P guide on Lunatic, not Infernal, so that doesn’t count! I know the Grand Hero Battles are meant to be difficult, but this Grand Hero Battle with Evil Takumi?! This is ridiculous! It pisses me off when they cleared this Grand Hero Battle easily, with their Skill Inheritance and powerful singers like any Azura! It’s not fair! How can they get any Azura to beat this Grand Hero Battle WHEN I DON’T?!
Apologies for the misinformation. But your complaint about not having Azura is extremely childish and naive. I see more Olivias used than Azuras. Don’t act like you’re entitled to be a victim because the world has wronged you if you don’t get that one unit. Use Olivia with hones, spurs or drives (if you want the full package from her prf then have other units also use stat supporting skills). Olivia is a superior dancer because of her easy availability for merges that benefit your Arena score. Did I mention her having access to Wo Dao? And if that doesn’t work then put your device for playing Heroes down for a few days and chill out doing something you enjoy. And when you come back you’ll get Takumi Infernal guide from Phoenixmaster. Omni H is someone whose example you should follow. He uses a death blow brave bow desperation BA Setsuna for every new GHB infernal mode. Its sort of a meme for him. If you also have 3 Olivia’s then you’re set for life.
Yes. But I need those Hero Feathers, and yet I get pissed off just looking at those obnoxious Skill Inheriters and Azura users beating this GHB at ease!
In what way are SI-users obnoxious? SI exists to be used and the people who choose to forgo it are usually challenge seekers. Hero Feathers are abundant so long as you regularly summon Heroes.
No, those SI-users are obnoxious because they keep clearing the Grand Hero Battles very easily just to make me look bad! That’s right, they did that just to piss me off! Isn’t there anyone on YouTube who beat this God forsaken GHB without Skill Inheritance?!
I’m sorry, but that’s a pretty immature opinion and it’s frankly quite rude to plenty of people. Games with gacha systems will always have players that are more disadvantaged than others as a result of both luck and money spent, and the Fire Emblem franchise itself has always valued strategy and tactics as a prominent part of gameplay. Heroes is no different in that regard.
If you don’t possess highly functional units like any of the Azuras, you should instead be looking towards your team to search for others which can plug in the gap. The very nature of gacha games means no players barring the most diligent whales will ever own every character, so part of the fun of conquering challenges for most people are to figure out exactly which team combinations are up for the task. Many generous souls out their even document their tactics in the form of guides for both SI users and non-users, but they too must first persevere through the challenge first using their wits.
There’s also no shame in simply folding your hand for the time being, since there are most definitely cases where people truly lack the resources to finish difficult challenges (as seen with the initial GHBs for Xander and Valter). Another thing gacha games are known for are the frequency of reran events, so another option for you is to prepare yourself for the next appearance of this GHB, whenever it may be.
What absolutely isn’t acceptable though, is rudeness towards players more advantageous than you. Being blessed with more fortune or being more willing to spend money doesn’t make them any less of a fan of the game than you, and their advantageous position is merely a byproduct of the support they give for the game; some people definitely do brag about their whaling spoils, but typically it isn’t ever aimed at demeaning F2P players or “pissing them off”.
Normally I’d be happy to share some insight and ideas for the challenge, but honestly, I’m tired of seeing you throw a fit here every single time something isn’t to your liking. If you have frustrations, you can voice them in a decent and civil manner and try to do something with it, but here, you’re expressing yourself like a whiny child. If you don’t want to use Skill Inheritance, that’s your own choice, but don’t try to enforce your arbitrary standards onto others and then attacking them when they don’t abide by them, when they are simply using the tools that the game provides. Skill Inheritance exists to be used and the game is designed to expect players to use it, especially in the toughest challenges and you need to accept that. If you want to deliberately gimp yourself by neglecting options that are very much open to you for one reason or another, you’re free to do so, but don’t go throwing a fit every time that restriction is hindering you in your attempts to clear the game’s content.
I failed like twice before I realised that slowly pushing my Sheema down the right flank would let her block the movement of the green mage while countering anyone that attacks her. On the left side I kept Tana to tank and lure the armorslayer away from Sheema. My last two slots was Linde with WoM to heal, and Ninian to dance her away from danger after healing.
Soren has the Adept skill in PoR and RD. Maybe he will have something like a brave weapon effect (like Dire Thunder).
Leo’s Brynhildr in Fates can halves the enemy’s magic, so maybe he will have the same effect of Divine Tyrfing (magic attack will deal 50% less damage in the first attack).
For Eirika’s Sieglinde , I don’t know what can be…
Conveniently, I just promoted a Soren of my own a few days ago. I was considering giving him an Owl Tome by promoting and foddering a Boey, but I guess that won’t be necessary now, a fact I’ll gladly accept. And I would absolutely love it if they could loosely replicate Adept in a way. We kinda know from Alm now that a build-in Brave effect works quite nicely with Sweep skills and I would like to be able to make Watersweep useful on him to further differentiate him from my other green mages. Alternatively, I could see an effect that makes him indirectly synergize better with units like Ike, since that’s just thematically appropriate. That said, keeping my expectations low, just to be safe. I’ll await the details patiently.
Agreed on Bryndhildr. Seems like the obvious thing to do for that weapon.
And Sieglinde… Eirika is less of a fighter than Ephraim is to begin with, so I would guess they’re gonna try and emphasize that. But it’s hard to say for sure.
I just did the exact same thing with my Soren. He’s a favorite of mine, so I’ve been trying to figure how to make him useful and had also decided on the Owl tome before this. Mine is +ATK/-RES but I’ve been too impatient to wait for a +SPD one, since I’ve only pulled two Sorens ever.
Also a huge Soren fan and ironically I got a 5 star version when trying to get Nino. Really like him as a character, but never had any reason to use him at all. Fingers crossed for something amazing. He needs it.
Rival Domains sounds like it could actually be a lot of fun, but I’m much less optimistic in Blessed Gardens. I don’t really like the blessing system, since they’re limited, permanent, and not really that useful, so I’m going to have to agonize over deciding which random blessing to put on which character and hope whatever I choose works out. Plus, they haven’t told us what the mode actually does. If it’s just a bunch of battles, that would add insult to what already seems to be an arbitrary restriction.
The new weapons are kind of exciting, but I’m running such a deficit in Divine Dew that it will be another year until I upgrade them. Soren will probably jump to the top of my list though. Also, I’m not even a huge fan of Roy, but he’s got to be the unit most needing a legendary weapon refinement at this point. I don’t know how they keep passing over him, especially since the Binding Blade is so strong in its own game. Maybe they’re just waiting for the powercreep to be such that giving it distant counter and the +5/+5 defense/resistance won’t be crazy
Lolz, Eirika finally gets the update everyone was clamoring for and Leo finally gets something new too and Roy gets to sit in a corner and cry while freaking SOREN of all people steals his rightful place amongst the refined Heroes.
You can get blessings by summoning Legendary Heroes, from the GHB’s Elite Quests, from Tempest Trials, and now with the Blessed Garden they will give us new quest to earn more blessings.
That’s fine, the issue I have is with the stat and sp bonus associated with pairing a hero in the right season if you have them. I appreciate Fjorm and Ike remedy this for two of the blessings, but the others will have to be pulled making a slightly unlevel playing field.
The SP bonus is independent of season or pairing, only the stat bonus relies on that.
But yes, it’s still not great. At least so far it’s only Gunnthra, once Ike is released.
So Rival Domains is either another mini game (like tap battle) or Fire Emblem Heroes has come full circle and become a conventional Fire Emblem game (in this one game mode).
Does anyone want a packet of salt?
Going for Fallen Takumi. I like his stat spread and kit. Skadi isn’t amazing, but it is funny under the right circumstances. Imagine 3 Skadis in your team in VG battle and then some guy with a raventome comes up. At least Vengeance could kill them on top of the 3×10 damage from Skadis.
Well, that’s an… odd… voting gauntlet. At least it’s thematically sound.
I only have Robin and BK (and EV Takumi), but I guess that’s enough. Maybe I’ll finally get a Celica.
Hard to predict who to go for to get lots of feathers.
I pulled a Takumi with my free summon which was nice because my first Takumi was +DEF/-ATK. But this is one is +RES/-ATK, so it somehow manages to be less useful. Anyone know anybody that might want close counter?
That’s fine, I was mostly joking. Is he any good? I can’t seem to beat the second difficulty with my secondary account(my team is Cordelia, Selena, LA-Roy and Elise) and haven’t trained the 3S one very much.
He’s fine. I assume he’s not going to be anyone’s primary archer, and I think most people probably don’t have to 5* him. Infantry archers aren’t really that valuable right now, especially if they don’t have the Brave Bow. However, I do think running multiple copies could have some fun results. Even with one, I’ve found the AoE damage is more useful than I thought.
It’s a really hard map though. I beat Lunatic after a few tries and didn’t even attempt Infernal after seeing another dazzling staff user. I beat it with Horse, so I don’t even have any advice, except maybe that rushing at least one Takumi as if it were the original Conquest map worked for me, and definitely try to kill the gravity user without baiting him, if possible.
Guess I’m supporting Black Knight. Or if he loses, well, I guess Zelgius would be next. And if he too goes down, but Celica is up, she’ll be my third pick. Otherwise, I dunno.
The match ups are really strange, but I’ll take advantage of the fact that I have one unit in every bracket. Three of them are level 1 so I can easy clear things if I join Fallen Takumi, Robin, or BK.
Also… tomorrow will probably be the day we will have the trailer for the next Legendary Hero Banner. I hope we can get a original character. We do not have a colorless legendary hero… I hope he/she is a flying healer or a flying archer. It would be cool.
I’m going Fell Robin, though none are characters I particularly like with Celica being the only one I hate. That said, the winner of these gauntlets are meaningless as IntSys has yet to make it at all meaningful with the victor literally coming down to whoever gets the right multiplier bonus cycle (with the exceptions of when that cycle gets disrupted). I have no investment in these voting gauntlets outside of the free stuff we get.
This is a really good banner, and Ephraim looks great! If I get him, cool, if not, maybe next time. Hoping to get at least 2 5 stars in 120 orbs though. I know many people wanted an original character, but at least the twins are even now. And I’m sure IS made these characters months in advance. So it’s likely to late too change them now, despite the CYL results.
Don’cha mean Devdan? HAA! 😛
But yeah, I don’t mind alts. but seeing this many done all at once is annoying. They didn’t even integrate the Love Abound alts with new characters. Why not be self aware and go with Zeke, Tatiana, Camus, and Nina? That would be hilarious.
I can easily see Legendary Ephraim with Aether, healing 80% of the damage dealt.
I am surprised the Water Blessing Quests don’t give us Water Blessings, but we will receive 4 Water Blessings in a near future, so ok.
And now, about the banner: I don’t have Mia, Summer Leo, Dorcas, Jaffar and Summer Gaius. I will probably avoid colorless orbs and focus on blue orbs to get Ephraim as soon as possible. Then, I will go to red orbs.
Or people can choose to go with Moonbow or Luna for a faster version of Aether, and if they stick a Breath skill on Ephraim than Moonbow is ready to trigger on every received hit which is pretty nasty.
Blue and red are also the colors I’m focusing on with this banner. I mainly want Summer Corrin, Mia, and Ephraim; but I would be fine with getting another VL!Ike for Warding Breath fodder.
Depending of Ephraim’s Atk and Def, skills like Draconic Aura, Bonfire and Glimmer can work very well with the Solar Brace.
He will probably have a low-medium speed. Normal Ephraim have 25 spd (29 if he is +spd), so his legendary version will probably have similar speed. The main factor for Ephraim to get follow-up attacks is from his weapon, Flame Siegmund, but then you cannot have access to support bonus or drive skills (unless there are more enemies near each other than allies near him).
He will be a great unit for Grand Hero Battle, that’s for sure. We only need to change his c-skill for a Cavalry buff, or maybe a smoke skill or Tactic skill if you are planning to use him in a mix team.
Ephraim’s prf doesn’t mesh well with Sturdy Stance. Excluding the target means that it’s very likely that at least the third dude within 2 spaces is a magic user. Good for PvE, but not Arena
Ayra is a good choice for Water Blessing. I gave a blessing for my Bride Lyn, so she can double easily. My Marth has Wind Blessing, but I am planning to change for a water one, so he stay with her ally support, Bride Lyn. Now I only need a green unit and then I will be ready for the Blessed Garnde with my Water team: Fjorm, Bride Lyn, probably Marth and a green unit.
I don’t really think too hard about it since I never use the legendary heroes. I mainly see the blessings as a source of extra sp. I’ve given out 3 water blessings and still have 2 left.
So far I’ve only applied two of them, but as it stand right now, I give the blessings to the unit who I think complement the appropriate legendary hero. So in this case, Fjorm. With Fjorm being a general tank with an emphasis on Res-tanking, it seems to me that a strong red mage would make among her greatest possible allies, as they help Fjrom by breaking down the green physical walls that Fjorm absolutely cannot handle under any realistic circumstances, where Fjorm tanks a lot of the stuff that might threaten the red mage. I gave my first blessing to Celica, who’s easily one of the strongest offensive red mages in the game and I haven’t regretted that. These two, in my experience, make an awesome core. Celica also appreciates the Speed bonus. I’ve also just given another to Elise, who helps sustaining Fjorm in her role. I’d round it out with a tanky axe, though I only really have Brave Ike for that and I feel he’d rather remain slow as he is, so I’ve been hesitant to give him the blessing. Ideal to me seems an axe unit that combines speed and defense. …So someone like Amelia or Lissa. But I don’t have either of them myself…
This is just my thought process, perhaps that gives you an idea or two.
I just go with whatever team works best with the legendary hero. My Fjorm team includes Black Knight, Arvis, and Ballads Azura. I can usually count on this team to get good results in arena defense.
Fjorm is an excellent magic counter, even for green units. I’d recommend having at least one other dual counter unit get the blessing. Preferably a red to cover Fjorm’s green weakness.
I’ve only got the one earth blessing on Raven, but I’ve been contemplating putting a water one on Nino. Basically like the others have said, units who I would put in a team with Fjorm, or Gunnthra or VL Ike. I don’t have anything for Gunnthra, but Fjorm shouldn’t be too hard to find team mates for. The SP bonus also really helped with Raven.
Speaking of, the Raven tales continue. This week without support from his buddy VL Ike he nonetheless managed to tank this monstrosity, then finished it off in the next round (monster Robin was down to 10HP). Granted, he had received a Fortify Res 3 or he wouldn’t have been able to without Ike and earth season. Still, I didn’t have anything else that would have been able to kill this on that team, so I continue to be really quite pleased with him. The monstrosity is +Atk -Spd btw, I checked. So pretty much ideal.
I don’t what arena level you play on, but I’m pretty glad I don’t have to see anything like that when I play….I was definitely on my way to building Raven, but now with Soren getting an upgrade, I’ll have to at least see what they give him. I could use another axe, but green tomes are still at a premium.
So I randomly pulled Ephraim for nothing, so between him and the free Fjorm and Vike, I guess I have three of the current four legendary heroes. I still don’t think blessings are worth my time though. I’m going to try to stall to the end of the quest to see if we get any details on the new mode. I don’t want to risk blessing units that can’t actually beat the map. But if that doesn’t work, I’ll probably just take everyone’s advice (which I’m very grateful for) and try to build the best team around each legendary hero that I can
Tier 19 this week and only battling for scores between 698 and 704 without Ike this season, so I was really quite shocked to find myself facing that thing…
I’m always short on greens, but then again, Nino still kills just about anything, so there’s not that much of a need. Now I have Raven and Summer Elise actually makes a decent Nino replacement in a pinch, but I’ll be curious to see what they have in store for Soren as well.
Ah~ I wish.
You can put a different blessing on a character later, but you will lose the first one, and with them being rare, that’s definitely an issue. You could put them on characters that are very versatile.
Like I said I’ll probably do Nino, she can beat almost anything, so I’m not too worried, she’s my MVP anyway.
(Shudders at memory of trying to pull Olivia last year) I wonder if there will come a point when these banners are solid Legendary heroes and the older
seasonal heroes will have their own banner
Ah, yes, our chance to have a Legendary Hero for every color and all the people whining about how Eirika got an Alt when Ephraim didn’t managed to screw us over. What, no, I’m not salty at all, why do you ask?
If I have a decent understanding of how development for these kinds of games works… I have to imagine that these units were planned for release at these times well in advance. I can only imagine the concern the dev team must’ve felt when they realized that the top CYL picks were among the units they had planned for release in some form, not long after the poll. That seems unfortunate, to say the least, though I suppose you could also call that poor planning and a lack of foresight on the part of the dev team.
Blue orbs only for me then. Ephraim’s always been one of my absolute favorite FE characters, and the only other ones I don’t have are Summer Leo, Shiro, Dorcas and Jaffar. I would really like Shiro and I would also like Dorcas, but I don’t think I’ll have much luck with one out of three greens.
Maybe I’ll get lucky and get both him and Ephraim then. Though I have to confess I’m not really much of an enemy phase player usually. And both of these units are more EP oriented.
Saving Orbs for Myrrh in one Legendary Banner later this year~
Also, Ephraim takes Fjorm´s place because she´s protecting Nifl right now. Or only one E-Hero / Color?
dunno If I want to do this one wouldn’t mind Ephraim but I have summer corrin and shiro and don’t mind another summer corrin but definitely don’t need another shiro might wait till next month and hope the blues are better
So I decided to go ahead and spend around 100 orbs to see what’d I’d get since I was sitting at 347 orbs. Free summon is summer Gaius +atk -HP. Around 70 orbs later I get Ephraim with -HP +SPD, which is kinda good since with hone cavalry I can prevent foes from doubling with his 36 SPD. And in the same session a blast from my dark past: performance Olivia at neutral. Ah man, I remember being spent after failing to get her which resulted in me being unable summon much from the genealogy banner. In total 88 orbs were spent.
Wow. Pretty lucky! I spent 100 and only got Ephraim +Def -Spd.
I want to try for Mia (because she is great) and Summer Leo (only for the catalog), but I don’t have orbs and I am thinking to keep the orbs from March quests for the next main banner…
Thanks for wishing me luck. I used the 20 free orbs, plus some orbs I got from March’s Quest and I tried to get something from the Legendary Banner.
Surprising, I got Legendary Ike and Brave Ike in the same summoning session! Yay! Now I have 2 Warding Breaths to use. The Legendary Ike I got now is +Atk -Def, but I prefer to use my old one, who is +Def -HP.
Also, the Brave Ike was used to give my Marth Steady Breath and Aether. Hail to the Hero-King!
I find it weird that Ephraim comes with Sturdy Stance, an enemy phase skill, when his weapon really makes him a player phase unit. After all, if he’s trying to get the follow- up attack, he’ll be working with unboosted mediocre speed, so baiting will get him doubled before he doubles, leading to unnecessary damage. In other words, I’m having trouble figuring out what to do with Ephraim, and I don’t have the luxury, or frankly the need, to just mess around with his skills
I actually think Flame Siegmund sounds like it should work well with Sturdy Stance (it does guarantee follow-ups in both phases). He needs to be surrounded by enemies for the guaranteed follow-ups, so he is going to have to deal with being attacked. This way he gets bonus defense and HP recovery through Solar Brace. (Not sure how Fortify Def fits in though).
Well he doesn’t need to be surrounded by enemies. He will follow up in all cases where there isn’t an ally nearby, since the weapon activates with an equal number of enemies and allies, Ephraim included. This makes him seem like more of a duelist. My concern was that he will take an additional hit on enemy phase, because an enemy that initiates will follow up before he does, which will hurt his survivability. I suppose we could be expected to use the additional recovery to mitigate this damage, but I’m not sure how viable that is yet. Recovery skills aren’t that useful in my experience because they often trigger when an enemy only has a little HP left.
I gave my Ephraim Heavy Blade Sacred Seal and Aether. Ephraim has a really good Atk, plus the +4 atk he can receive from Sturdy Stance, so Heavy Blade will works very well, and Aether + Solar Brace will heal him 80% of damage dealt, which can be 25-30 HP.
Aether does sound like a great option for him, but I’m already using that Aether/Heavy Blade combo with my Minerva, and I’m not really looking to give that up, since I love Minerva. And I’m not sure if Aether is terribly viable without Heavy Blade or something like it. I’ve heard people considering running Moonbow for more frequent mini-Aethers, but I don’t know if that’s viable either
I would prefer using Glimmer than Moonbow. If the player only want a healing special, Noontime is a faster special, healing 60% of HP if Solar Brace is equipped.
Nobody used Glimmer for a while, but it seems to be growing more popular than Moonbow now. I don’t know the calculations behind why that it is, especially if we include Luna or Bonfire/Iceberg as well
Glimmer was a 3 CD before the 2.0 version, and now it is 2 CD. That’s why Glimmer became popular. For Ephraim, Luna is better than Moonbow, and because his base defence is 33 +4 from the Sturdy Stance, Bonfire can be a solution too. Draconic Aura is not a bad idea either.
When we think about the special that had the cooldown reduced, we think about the Rising, Growing and Blazing skills. No one remember skills like Astra, Sol or Glimmer. I entered in the specials list here, and I am surprised! Sol was a 4 CD special before the 2.0 version update. These are skills we never used, so it’s normal they had the CD reduced and we didn’t notice it.
Here’s the changes:
Night Sky (4 → 3), Glimmer (3 → 2), Astra (5 → 4);
Daylight (4 → 3), Noontime (3 → 2) Sol (4 → 3);
Rising, Growing and Blazing Skills (5 → 4).
Is the understanding that the AoE skills are not that good? I have Noontime to Marisa (with mixed results), but beyond that, you’re right. I don’t know how the healing skills play at all. I’m still skeptical of them.
I think IS should enable the staff users to have access to healing special skills (except Aether). This would be a way for staff users to heal themselves instead of the need to have Live to Serve or Renewal for it.
“Everyone has an 8% chance to get a 5S Unit, so this is a great time to bulk up your team!”
So of course everyone spends like 100 Orbs to get a single 5S Unit that half the time they didn’t want or they just throw away because this is apparently Pokemon now and only perfect genetics will be acceptable. How is this really any different from usual Banners besides yay we can get Ephraim on a horse?
That’s what happens in the end, but ideally what should be happening is that someone pulls either a seasonal unit, a legendary hero, or one of the units they care for that they finally have a higher chance of pulling. I for one would like to pull a Mia who under normal circumstances is some fraction of a % pull rate; but in this banner exists close to 3%.
But yeah, knowing my current luck with these these last few banners, I’m going to dump 100+ orbs and get nothing.
Ike is more recent (thus less have him), more popular, and has greater flexibility as a non-armoured unit, so it makes sense that he’d win. Tharja may be the better unit, but she simply didn’t have the appeal that Ike did – a shame, because an extra Tharja would’ve been quite pleasant.
I got Performing Arts Olivia, but as usual, this game trolled me and it didn’t let me summon Legendary Ephraim! Not even one single green Orb, and still no Gunnthra! Well, you know what? I’m gonna wait until tomorrow for the March Quests so I can earn more Orbs, and then I get to summon better Heroes! Also, I already merged my Legendary Ike with the free Legendary Ike.
My first round of summoning gave me Summer Corrin and Jaffar, finally giving me a ranged flier and LaD fodder. I suppose I’ll try and aim for Ephraim now, even if he can’t fit onto my Horse Emblem teams.
So in about 130 orbs, I’ve got Ephraim, Gaius, Jaffar, and two Dorcas. I was pulling for none of them (wanted Olivia and Bike). These banners are a blast!
Sorry to hear, I got my Ephraim (neutral, lol, I’ll take it) with just 5 orbs spent and am considering just walking away.
Yesterday free summon was 3* Gwendolyn which I took as a bad omen and let it be, today first summon was Ephraim and I think that’s all. I would like Shiro or Dorcas but my chances aren’t great so I’ll take my luck and keep hoarding my free orbs. Haven’t had this many in quite some time. Maybe I’ll try for (normal) Celica again, been trying for a long long time. Better luck to you? Though your haul seems not bad at all.
I always have really good luck with the Legendary banners. I don’t usually get what I want, but I usually get a lot of stuff. Like Dorcas is apparently quite good, and I can probably fodder one of them for useful skills. I wanted Jaffar for the collection anyway. Plus, if the Soren update isn’t worthwhile, Jaffar’s savage pain build would probably be a lot of fun (after Raven probably). Only the Gaius is really useless. So I really can’t complain. I just can’t help being a little disappointed.
I kind of feel like what I should’ve done was go all-in for Grima, Hardin, Lyn, and Hector and see how much of an armor team I could pull. But I really don’t like armors. Oh well, there are new units next week, and I still have almost 250 orbs.
I think you really have to be okay with two of the three for each color, and even then, like in my case, you can still be a little disappointed. Plus, with the powercreep, saved orbs increase in value over time, since you’re pulling more useful units for the same cost
Man, my luck has been bogus lately. Reached 5.75% on the hny banner in Januari, now I’m at 5% on Love Abounds, and so far, I also haven’t had any results on the Legends banner… After Legends and Love Abounds run out, I think I’m gonna do some orb saving… I’m too impatient and spend-happy with them.
Who’s ready for some salt resulting from a still flawed system that does not actually favor the popular party but in many ways hurts them? AYE!! At least we get free stuff from the related quests.
Seeing things from the opposite point of view, a fixed points system would mean underdogs have a much lesser chance of victory, removing a potential source of enjoyment as the VGs are rather lackluster in general.
Before the system is fixed, there needs to be more incentive provided for voting aside from simple character appeal. I’m thinking either minor gameplay buffs or free copies (3-4 stars, helpful for 5 star-only units) of winners.
That is an excellent point, those early Voting Gauntlets in which Lucina and Camilla steamrolled the competition was not very enjoying, but the effort to make it more enjoyable by giving the underdog a constant point bonus simply results in a boring round of who’ll have the final bonus multiplier, which I argue is equally as boring.
So now IS needs to think of an incentive to push for balance, and I would love to see 3/4* versions given out; though it would have to be in a round dealing with only characters of worth while skills or utility since nobody is going to back, say, vanilla Robin who already is 3* obtainable when Fell Robin is likely to be 5* exclusive.
Piggy-backing off that idea, it would be fun to see them do a future Voting Gauntlet where the contestants are all popular 3/4* fodder units with the winner being given some special skill/weapon that makes them super meta relevant. Just imagine the potential of someone like Odin gaining some broken skill that suddenly makes him top tier.
Yeah that’s a cool concept. As far as I can remember all past winners except Shanna has gotten a special variation, although those characters were popular and were probably going to be given variations regardless. I don’t know much about the character, but Shanna: The Underdog sounds cool.
Main Account allegiance going once, going twice…SOLD! To Fallen Takumi for the memes!
Guess the Alt is going Grima then since they always fight on opposite sides of the bracket.
How about this IS? Have the top 4 of each VG be featured in the next special banner. Winner gets a prf. 2nd place gets a unique mobility class and weapon type combination. But only allow those to participate who don’t have a seasonal variant
Stahl…yeaaa…oh well, hopefully I get good luck with the next new banner considering my poor luck recently. Also, isn’t that Falchion banner coming up soon? Wonder if they make it a normal banner where people are screwed by a lack of reds or perhaps make it a red exclusive banner to help encourage people to go for it. Don’t see people trying to go for a specific focus if all are the same color and that color refuses to show up.
I really like this banner. You can never have too many of Roy, Hinata, Klein, or Tailtiu (Drive Spd goes with everything), and I don’t have a Soleil yet at all. So I’ll probably end up pulling a ton of reds if next week’s new heroes don’t excite me
This is a good banner. I will wait for the next main banner, then I will decide if I will summon on the new banner, this banner or the Fachions Banner.
Threw about 30 orbs into the banner, got a bunch of 4 stars like Tailtiu (my goal), several 4 star Jeorges, a five star Lukas, and a five star Cordelia. Compared to my luck on the legendary banner, this was nice!
Ended up getting yet another 5 star Fae, so I’m contemplating whether I should add her back onto my dragon team after having previously replaced her with Myrrh.
Fae loves to spook me even when she isn’t focused, so it shouldn’t really have surprised me so much that she’d turn out to be my free summon.
Takumi and Celica have better odds of winning based solely off their popularity; Grima and Zelgius is probably no match for either of them. The winner of the gauntlet ultimately just comes down to who gets the strongest push with the point multiplier.
It’s not who gets the strongest push but who gets the final push as was with Shanna when she janked out both Hinoka and Amelia; Lissa when she janked Tharja and Camilla who janked Lyn. Popularity obviously plays a role, but it’s not nearly as important as people like to believe.
I don’t think so… Grima has got quite the following… But yeah, multiplier (which 90+% of the people who play FE Heroes agree needs to change) is the ultimate decider
K just checked last rounds scores, and the final two (if multiplier doesn’t jank) will be Celica (highest score in round 1) vs Grima (roughly double takomeats score)
This is an awful banner, with only red focus units and it still does not have an increased rate of red orbs. I don’t know how many people will actually go for this banner despite Alm’s new status as the new best dragon slayer. Plus half of them are 4* available anyways so why even both?
Aaand my weird luck continues with a free five star Roy? Neutral, too. I don’t particularly mind this result, back on Alm’s last two banners I was a dolphin and got myself a +1 version because I lacked a Falchion user in April. Double Lion is good people, but it really isn’t worth whaling for. You likely have masked Lucina, and she should fill that role just fine. That being said, if you want to pull, go on ahead, and good luck.
You know what they SHOULD have done with this? Make it so that you can CHOOSE which character you want to have for that Falchion like they did in the CYL one.
Hm… I disagree. This is not a special banner to have a free unit. Also, 2 of the focus units can be summon as 4-star units, making the only choices for 5-star exclusive being Lucina and Alm. And, you know mostly all the players would choose Alm.
A limited banner, like Nohrian Summer and Winter Envoy, should have a free choice unit, not this type of banner.
No way. This is a single banner showing only sword units. ONLY Sword units. Meaning that its red orbs. And they don’t always give us red orbs. So this banner is terrible because it does not give the distribution that prevents anyone from getting a unit they might want.
I agree with you. This banner was not made right, but that’s doesn’t mean they should give us a free unit. Mostly of the player just want Alm from this banner. With a free unit, players would not summon or spend money on this banner.
Honestly… this was not that bad. I decide to spend some orbs on this banner, and I got a 4-star Soleil (I didn’t have her yet, and she is +Atk so… yeah), a 5-star Eirika (ok…) and, for my surprise, a Alm! Yay! Brave Falchion user! Now I only need Divine Dew…
Spooked by Brave Lucina and regular Lucina in my first round of summoning, so I managed to pull a great haul on this banner. Now if only this kind of absurd luck can hit me on the banners that actually matter like the limited ones, I’ll be happy.
After Lucina was my pitybreaker on my once again failed attempt to get Celica I now have all four of these anyway. My free orb was a round of no red orbs at all and gave me a Wrys… oh well.
Personally I like using Marth best of these, but maybe I’ll refine Alm’s Falchion some day and he’ll be better. Chrom was my first 5* so will always be special.
Hail to the Hero-King!
I always get happy when I get a 4-stars Marth.
He has: Refined Falchion, Reposition, Aether, Steady Breath, Swordbreaker 3, Drive Spd 3, Close Def Sacred Seal, and S-Rank support with Summoner.
Marth’s stats are (with summoner support): HP 54 HP / Atk 51 / Spd 38 / Def 33 / Res 24.
I know he is not the best sword user in the game, but I like him.
My highest 5* merge is +4, it’s Inigo, I really wanted a PA Azura back then but really wasn’t meant to have her… anything else is +2 (2) at most or +1 (7).
But my 4*+10 Raven with the refined Basilikos actually carried me to Tier 20 this week. I’m not sure what I’m even doing there, it feels weird XD
He doesn’t have summoner support, but ally support with VL Ike, his stats without that are 42/60/48/25/22, with Fury. He’s got the earth blessing too, so in earth season and next to Ike that would be 45/64/50/27/24.
My Marth is mostly support for TT 🙂 he’s +Spd. Also with Fury, Reciprocal Aid, Renewal and Hone Spd. I’m still saving up to refine his Falchion. Yours is obviously heavily invested in 😀 he’s nice.
My summoner support is Nino^^ but she’s unmerged.
I was considering to give my Marth Reciprocal Aid or Ardent Sacrifice.
My second higher merge unit is a 4-Stars Olivia (+7). I also have 8 Catrias 4-stars, but I don’t want to merge them. The other unit I am considering for the merging is Masker Marth. I already gave her (oops, spoiler) the “our bond gives me strength” Falchion.
I got Alm in this banner (lucky), so maybe he will be next in the Refinement, But I need more 10 Divine Dews for it.
In TT I don’t really need help killing green (Nino kills all) so support is nice and Falchion + Renewal + Reciprocal Aid = healer. I’ve used Alm similarly in the past when he was a bonus unit.
I have Eliwood, Raven, Cherche, Cecilia and Merric as 4*+10 and a few more high merges with 4*, like Ogma, male Corrin, Eirika, Felicia, Lilina and Lissa (+7 to +9, depending).
Oh no, poor Nino. I find she’s still my go to answer to “how do I kill x” since she’s still capable of defeating almost anything with the standard Bladetome, Fury, Desperation set. Mine’s +ATk, got her summoner support and if necessary S support with Ninian, properly buffed and in desperation range, maybe even with Draconic Aura charged, there’s really not much of anything that can survive her, even as an unmerged 5*.
My LA Lilina has somewhat hopeless IVs of +HP -Spd so I guess she’ll be just for the collection… don’t see her replacing Cecilia and even then Gunnthra would be the choice before that.
you really should’t pull on this banner since your pity can get broken by red (it’s pretty infamous for that) as well as other falchion users. just wait a few months until alm gets a new banner
Sadly, if she’s a healer, I probably won’t draw for her unless she really has something unique. Healers are kind of a pain to level up in Heroes, and Elise and Genny already fulfill most of whatever I need.
They’re a great way to accumulate hero merit though, at least if you use one for training units to level 40 (my standard is two dancers, a healer and whichever unit I’m training). I have almost all of the healers and they’re all trained and with useful healer skills 😉 but I agree that I probably wouldn’t try to get a 5* healer.
Shards and crystals go a long way to levelling up healers if you can’t stand how slow that process is. Then it’s just a matter equipping them for offense first so they can start building up SP from kills, too. Honestly, I think a new staff-wielder is loooooong overdue, especially now that they are actually good aside from their poor arena value. I’m running an Elise right now, and Razzle Dazzle Gravity+ (with Savage Blow) is hilariously broken if you have the space to provide proper movement support. Nanna may be the first staff-user in a long time, so that should be promising if it turns out like that. I think she’s bound to be a good unit.
Nanna looks like Kokon Konfuzi drew her (the artist for several Cipher cards, as well as amazing Faye and L’Arachel in Heroes). I must have her! I must have all of them, actually. All of them.
not happening. co-developers would have to get a share of profits and the only product is orbs, meaning that they would get a share from all the money spent on orbs, but it’ll be convoluted in how the partnership works in the long-run, much less setting a share percent. though if they go the BK deal way then it could happen
They could negotiate in a different way than a percentage of profits, but I agree they aren’t coming. The Choose Your Legends survey not offering them is enough to convince me they’ve written off characters from spinoffs.
I see! I didn´t know there was a deeper meaning in crossovers with developers! I was just thinking: they appeared in Cipher 0 but not yet in Heroes. Thank you for telling me~
Pretty much this. A common argument I see for these characters is that they appear in Cipher. But Cipher has different products such as booster packs and structure decks. And these are just categories. The variety in each goes way further
It’s a shame too, because a potential TMS appearance in Heroes might’ve salvaged the game’s reputation somewhat and perhaps even revive it. That game really did not deserve all the vitriol it got and it’s disappointing that most only know it through the censorship fiasco.
Still, there’s always the chance of a collaboration event in the future, like what many other gacha games do. TMS and Warriors are unlikely, but I wouldn’t necessarily write them off as completely impossible.
It’s about time Thracia came…though seeing as I’m not a fan of the game (I personally put it as one of the weaker entries), I don’t really care much for this banner outside of perhaps some meta defining skills. The art for Leif and Nanna look great though fin is fine.
I’d love to hear your reasoning around how it is one of the weakest entries when Awakening, Birthright, Revelation, SS, SD and Gaiden/Echoes all exist.
Awakening: Eh, I can understand that.
Birthright/Rev: Why not play Conquest, right?
The others: HUH? Even SD has its charms in different map designs. Echoes is hit or miss for mos players, but the characters were great and the world-building was excellent. SS is mostly easy, but Lyon is an awesome villain, it has several other memorable characters (Gerik? Marisa? Tana?) and I would even say some of Ephraim’s maps were somewhat challenging on a no-grind (unless you Seth/Duessel abuse).
Gameplay wise it is a mess, with an over abundance of luck with the biggest offender being staves missing and several chapters (like Ch11). The capture mechanic is neat but the execution is poor with all stats getting halved, compounded by how rather than being a nice bonus to reward player risk and planning, it is a necessity because you have no funds and weapon durability is really low. In essence, it punishing the player for not using this tedious mechanic that artificially gives the illusion of difficulty. FoW chapters are also BS with the map being pitch black because you know what I like when playing a map? not having a clue what is even going on or how I should progress though the map; again, an annoying mechanic to artificially make it difficult.
Never played Thracia, only heard stories of the game’s… unorthodox design choices and brutal difficulty. But I’m happy for the fans of it. It’s the last main-line game to see its main characters represented. The art looks pretty nice from what little can be seen here, and I’ll definitely be happy if Nanna turns out to be a staff-unit. I’m guessing Leif and Finn will be a Sword-infantry and Lance-cavalier unit respectively.
Nanna is the unit I am looking forward. The last staff user we had was Genny (Lyn doesn’t count because she is a limited unit and Loki isn’t a playable unit), so I want to see what the can bring to the game now. I have a Wrathful Staff ready, so if Nanna has good stats, the Genny’s B-skill will go for her.
Leif will probably have good stats and a full skill set, and about Finn… I don’t know what to expect from him.
I think Ishtar is the most likely candidate for GHB, since those are filled in by villain characters or by characters that at least acted as a villain in some part (Oliver, Xander). Sety and Asvel both are more likely to be a TT unit with Sety being the more likely choice, but I think someone like Mareeta (yet another sword) is a likely candidate or even Galvus (who’d also fit into the GHB format). Personally I’d prefer Tina as a dancer.
I assume for the dancer you meant Lara right? Be really interesting if they gave her trash stats but the ability to refresh all surrounding allies with an uninheritable skill (like most FE 4/5/9/10 dancers). I almost feel that Sety is too popular to not be on a banner (the man and his tome produce cash imo), which I suppose is fine in the end, more possible copies for me eventually. Mareeta though? It’s possible, she would be a lot like Ayra but with a broken Brave Sword like Alm and Elincia. Putting too many of those in the common summon pool would be an issue, so a limited TT reward would be nice. A Galzus GHB would be a nice touch, save Ishtar for another FE4 banner.
Seeing modern Finn and Leif slightly bothers me since I’m not used to them without their big tuffs of hair, which is strange since that never bothered me with Sigurd.
Owain is probably just lower on the priority list since Odin is already in the game, which is likely true for Severa as well. Gerome was fairly popular in his own right back in Awakening so it makes sense he’d be debuting next after the four most popular Awakening kids.
If I had to guess, Owain and Severa will probably debut with new versions of their respective mothers like Inigo did.
It’d be nice if they had a banner with standard versions of Inigo, Owain and Severa as well. They could have the fourth character be any of the other remaining children.
On the Con side, she’s one of my least favorite units in Awakening, mostly because of her personality. On the Pro side, she looks like an interesting unit with a new color tome, plus some pretty adorable artwork not gonna lie.
Awww that’s too bad. She’s one of my favorite units in Awakening. I love the little space cadet. I’m actually less fond of the cutesy art and base kit. I might even wait to see if her rarity is dropped since I doubt she’ll find a spot in my lineup.
Yeah and now with the data mine, she doesn’t look all that impressive to be honest. I actually think her rarity might drop, and if so, I’ll hope to pick her up then.
Besides, I went on a spending spree trying to get a Soleil and got carried away. I pulled a 5* Mia, Mathilda, Corrin, and Caeda in 140 orbs, but only one Soleil (-SPD). It was really odd, and disappointing. But I should probably hold on to my remaining orbs for now.
Hm… my votes are for Male Morgan to be the unit who will be dropped to the 4 Star rank. Female Robin has a serpent tome, which is not a exclusive tome… but she is a 5 skills unit, so I believe she will mantain her 5-stars exclusivite. Male Morgan has a Legendary Tome and Dull Ranged 3, but his B-skill will probably be the one exclusive to 5-stars. Also, Chrom is now the only Falchion user who weapon can’t be refined and weapon doesn’t have Renewal.
I’m not convinced either will be, but I think the case is stronger for Morgan-F. She just doesn’t look like a very potent unit. Her spread isn’t great and her skills aren’t too rare or even too useful. And they’ll probably want to make the serpent tome more accessible, like they did with Mae and Boey. Morgan-M has a strong legendary tome and a skill that will be in high demand. Plus, he has a very competitive spread. Of course, Morgan-F could be more popular. We’ll see, I guess.
I don’t know. The Serpent tome is really good. Maybe they will keep as a 5-stars, at least for now. It is the same thing about Rhajat. Rhajat isn’t a awesome unit, but she is a 5-stars exclusive.
True. Rhajat could probably have her rarity reduced and no one would care too much. I guess they just don’t want distant defense to be more accessible. That or they overestimated how good she’d when we were in the cavalry meta. The serpent tome doesn’t seem that good to me. Why would one use it instead of a Raven tome, which provides more defense on both phases and will check all the colorless types and one type of magic?
“I guess they just don’t want distant defense to be more accessible.”
That’s true. Blárserpent has Distant Def 3, even in it’ not + form, and for now Distant Def is exclusive for 5-stars units. Although, Distant Def is a Sacred Seal too.
A unit with Blárserpent can have Distant Def 9 (Tome + A-skill + Sacred Seal), which is + 18 Def/Res during battle. It would be a great tome for LA! Lyn.
That is really interesting. I wouldn’t have thought about that build idea. LA!Lyn would be a great choice, though she probably wouldn’t hit too hard without other help. She’s probably the only blue mage right now that would really get a lot out of that though
Sorry to hear that, I got a nice Soleil as a pity breaker at some point, so not looking for her. I don’t know what to do with all the red swords anyway.
But I randomly got a neutral 5* Roy from that banner and I really don’t know what to do with him @.@
oh btw, Raven tales still going on, for some reason I made it to Tier 20 this week, which… I really don’t know how it happened but he does get a high score, I’ll be back where I belong in Tier 19 next week. (and I can report that Galeforce is so good on him)
Yeah I don’t need her, especially since I pulled that Mia, but she should’ve been easy to pull, and it doesn’t feel good to pull 4 5* units but all with terrible IVs or lower rarity availability. I don’t know if you need it, but Roy will probably work as a Hector/Grima counter with his native TA off the bench in arena assault. I’m probably going to do that with Soleil: throw Axebreaker and maybe TA on her in case I need her.
I actually dropped to from Tier 19 to Tier 17 over the past couple weeks, and I have no idea why. But with all the Dew from Blessed Gardens, I can finally build a Raven of my own, which I will do tomorrow once the SP bonus is back. I probably won’t use Galeforce because I don’t want to have to promote another unit or use the Heavy Blade seal, but Fury/Desperation seems the way to go. He probably doesn’t even need a special really, with that damage
Yeah, that’s not nice.
He would, but usually Nino or Raven can kill them, or some of the reds I use, plus I hate arena assault… only do it once a week for the rewards.
It’s just I don’t want to sacrifice a 5* Roy for TA 3 when I can get it off him at 4*…
My Soleil is +Spd -Def so I’ll have her keep the Firesweep Sword+, put LnD on her and probably Drag Back. LnD 2 because I don’t really need a red so I don’t feel like spending 20,000 feathers.
Maybe because the Intermediate and Beginner battles now have higher scores? But some weeks are just much more competitive than others. What sort of scores do you usually battle for? I’m still not sure how I even got here, it is weird.
Have fun with a Raven of your own^^ If you’re not going Galeforce then Vantage may also work well. For a special, if you use the Heavy Blade 3 seal after all, definitely choose Draconic Aura, that is the most potent on him. Otherwise, Glimmer will serve you well. Remember Basilikos also reduces the cooldown, so that means 1 turn CD for Glimmer and with Raven’s speed he rarely doesn’t double, plus it scales off his attack so… very good.
There are a few units which will only fall to a charged special. (Or a Galeforce second attack 😉 and no, I don’t usually promote units to then inherit their skills, I just thought in for a penny in for a pound with him, as it was already a lot of investment and I was excited about the potential, which hasn’t let me down)
I usually score in the low 4800s in arena. That’s been enough to hover between 18 and 19 so far.
You know it literally never occurred to me that LnD 2 is just about as good as LnD 3, except cheaper. I will have to start using it, though I wonder if Fury isn’t better at that point.
I think I’ve mentioned this before, but I have a refined Hauteclere Minerva with Aether who uses the Heavy Blade seal. I’m doing what I can to keep her relevant, and she’s pretty potent as a Flier Emblem sweeper. I don’t really want to give her up. But Glimmer activating every round sounds like plenty anyway. I’m really torn between Vantage and Desperation. My gut says Vantage but most people seem to recommend Desperation. I think you also recommended Desperation previously
That was around my score too, previously, so we’ll see how it goes now. My particular Raven really does get a high score though (Galeforce and the +10 even at the 4*) and I’ll probably keep him as my arena core for quite some time, VL Ike with his Aether likewise is worth a lot of points.
Fury is great but there are so many units who want it, and since with the Firesweep I don’t ever intend for Soleil to get hit and I don’t need Desperation to prevent counters, I’ll go with LnD. Fury’s synergy with Desperation is really useful but in this case unnecessary.
Possibly, but you know you can just switch the seal around. Of course, if you’re doing arena assault or if you’re using her in the new Rival Domains mode you would have to make a choice of who to give it to.
I think it depends a bit on your playstyle. My Raven is a bit sturdier than yours, so I often bait for his first engagement. Yours will probably still survive most things at full health. Vantage definitely works too. But he won’t exactly be able to tank more than once. So Desperation for the following turns is very good. Otherwise you’re stuck in enemy phase or units you can defeat in one hit or who can’t counter.
It also synergizes well with both Fury and Galeforce for me.
Here are a few scenarios:
1. Bait, get into Desperation range, safely initiate from then on.
2. Bait, don’t get into Desperation range, get into Desperation range on next engangement, see 1.
3. Initiate on unit that can counter, get into Desperation range, activate Galeforce
3a. Deliver the killing blow
3b. Advance on the next unit and safely take them out with Desperation
3c. Retreat to safety
4. Initiate, don’t get into Desperation range
4a. On unit that can’t counter, see 1.
4b. On unit that blocked your follow up and therefore no Galeforce, see 1.
4b is probably the likeliest scenario for Raven to be defeated, depending on who the opponent is and what skills they have (e.g.. breaker skills or brave weapons or bold fighter, etc.)
Replace Galeforce with dancer if you use one.
I prefer player phase, but if you’re someone who prefers enemy phase then Vantage may work better for you. But Raven’s ability to tank is really confined to the first engagement usually, especially with Fury and without a healer. He doesn’t kill everything on the first hit.
Personally I feel Vantage reduces his usability.
Ironically I got a 5* Raven as a pity breaker in a last ditch attempt to get LA Hector. No idea what to do with him.
Yeah I opted to go with Desperation, for the reason you stated. He’s not going to get doubled, so he can bait on enemy phase to get into Desperation range (or on player phase if it’s safe). Then, he can pretty sweep on the next turn by getting consecutive doubles.
I’m still going to go with Glimmer to start, as I don’t want to promote a Cordelia for Galeforce right now, but I’ll reconsider if it looks like he doesn’t need Glimmer or he’s having trouble getting out of conflicts.
#morethan2
Why is Chrom even on a children’s banner?
People are saying male Morgan will get dropped, but I doubt that. Dull ranged just seems too rare of a skill to have access at 4*
Morgans look great, I would pull for Male Morgan but him sharing a color is a no-go. Very nice to see Gerome, and excited that he’s free; I wonder if he’ll have a unique axe? Mounted Chrom looks awesome, and Sword Valor in the pool twice really helps out. As for colorless breath…. Nasir maybe? Will this bring the dawn of the Laguz, as melee colorless units?
Hopefully Female Morgan is available at lower rarities after this banner so more players can have opportunities to grab a ranged flier unit. She’s definitely more likely to have her rarity dropped than Male Morgan or Chrom since her skills aren’t too special in comparison.
Kinda wish female Morgan was green not blue. Otherwise, I really don’t need another melee red horse but Sword Valor! Plus he looks really cool 🙂 well, I’d like any of them, we’ll see if I have orbs and luck to actually get any. As the Awakening kids go I’d prefer Brady, Cynthia, Kjelle or Noire. At least Gerome is coming soon 🙂
Eirika’s Sieglinde is a interesting weapon. Let’s say Eirika has a S-Rank Support with Marth, Marth has his refined Falchion, and let’s put a Shiro with Tactic Def to gives Marth +6 def. If Marth is adjacent Eirika, she will have +10 in each stat during battle (+6 from the buffs, +2 from the support and +2 from the Falchion). And then there are the others units buffs. Eirika is a good unit now! (That’s what I Understood about the weapon. If I am wrong, please tell me).
Soren’s weapon is really good too. A Owl Tome with Chill Atk.
Leo’s weapon is… something. He lose his Gravity effect to receive reduce damage from magic foes, and his extra effect makes foes don’t make follow-up attacks with foe’s def+1 is lower than Leo’s def.
Blessed Garden is great. We can get 40 orbs and 80 divine dews!
I didn’t try the Rival Domains mode yet. I thought Rival Domains would be a Event map, but nope… it is in Special Maps session.
Eirika is now one of the best unit to have a tactic skill. She can give +6 something to a ally, and receive +6 in all stats during combat because of it. That’s really great. I am considering refine her weapon now. I used the divine dews I got from the Blessed Garden in Alm, so… next time, Eirika.
To sad I don’t have a tactic skill to give her. I hope I can get at least a 4-stars L’Arachel for the Res Tactic.
Not to rain on the parade, but it says “Calculated independently” What you’re describing is “Calculated Cumulative” or “Dependent” Basically it means it’ll take the highest buff among that stat and add it to her own corresponding stat. So A +6 Res Tactic won’t net her +6 to all her stats, but +6 to her Res.
Yes, after I saw the PhoenixMaster1 video, I understood it. But, still… it is a great refinement! Now, we only need a Spd Tactic to make Eirika awesome!
Ironically that’s where I got the info from too lol….well I kind of thought it that way to begin with but as soon as I heard Phoenix go over it it cemented it XD. But like he said, someone like Sothe will be her BFF because he can give her +8 to all her stats from just him (luckily I got him)
I would say how nice the new features are, but the IOS delay is preventing me, so instead I’ll express my surprise that Fell Robin was actually the more popular character in the voting Guantlet as there was a solid 12+ hr period where things where tied but Robin slowly gained the lead and broke the stalemate by taking the lead, not Celica. This ultimately doesn’t mean much when it comes to the winner, just found it interesting the waifu wasn’t the popular pick.
as usual it came down to who had the multiplier in the end, and maybe me, I’m always on the losing team ^^;; (sorry Celica)
I think maybe more players had Grima as the bonus unit? He’s certainly more interesting as a unit on its own than possessed Celica. I had neither when the final round started and so picked Celica.
Slightly more popular, but yeah. There was a stalemate for several hours on the second day until the pendulum swing in Celica’s favour and then Grima. Back and forth until Grima had multipliers in the final round
Rival Domains so cool~ I have many Awesome Units in my Friendlist, so it feels good when I can finally use Myrrh without having her~
And those Maps could sure some Story-Scenarios recreate, like that one huge map in Radiant Dawn, where you must defeat 80 Units.
Finally a use for the massive amount of level 40 units I have 😀 playing from the start will do that. I’ll only get to test out these modes later today but I’m looking forward to Rival Domains at least. For the gardens I’ll first have to decide who to give the blessings to. Yay for divine dew though!
“You can now Sort by Level when viewing your allies.”
This is not actually what the new feature is. If you go into the Settings menu, there is a new option that determines whether or not merges count as an extra level when sorting by the pre-existing “Sort by Level” option.
Rival Domains is pretty fun, if a little disorienting. I haven’t beaten infernal yet. It looks like you need to take the camp and at least hit the fortress to hit that score. Blessed Gardens is still irritating. The maps are so simple that I’m basically trading blessings for the rewards stated. I really don’t like it.
I swore I would’t spend orbs until Thracia came out, but… I spent 130 orbs. Though I have twice as much as that left so… Got exalted chrom and female morgan. both -hp +atk
Ah there’s the storytelling I’ve come to expect from them. I knew hoping they would maintain a degree of basic competence was too much to ask. Also, I realize it’s a narrow pass, but 6-5 was trolling a bit even for them, what with barely half the map accessible by infantry.
Honestly, my Clive is great. Refined Silver Lance and Swordbreaker means he takes basically no damage from swords and kills nearly all of them. He’s first off the bench in Arena Assault when I see an Ayra or something. I’ve got nothing for Mathilda though. Such low ATK…
Spent all my orbs icluding blessed garden on fallen heroes and got bot all at 5.5%, spent this mornings orbs to try for Mogan – F and got fallen Celica. Why does this game mock me.
Aaaand…nothing, is it just me or did the 5* pull rates secretly become much worse after the anniversary? Every banner has been the same so far.
Story wise I’m a bit surprised how it turned out, though this might be an indicator of something drastic happening soon that’ll result in some of these enemy characters leaving Sutr’s side.
I think it’s just a way to taunt/mock with the prospect of a potential free Gunnthrá… oh we’ll see you in a couple of weeks Sis… sorry we have to go in a different direction, maybe a month or so?
Then when you meet her… oh, sorry, nice to meet you, but I’m not free… why not spend some orbs and see if you can summon me, like you have been tryng to for months?
Yeah, I’ve pulled an unreasonably large number of 5* this calendar year. 21 total on F2P orbs, but I could literally give just about all of them back. They’ve been weird ones like Corrin, Setsuna, Laslow, Gaius, Jaffar, etc. And they’ve mostly been pitybreakers (took 370 orbs for Micaiah and I haven’t gotten Morgan-F). There are literally fewer than five of that group I’d keep.
I got a Male Morgan (+Res -Def) and I am happy with it.
M!Morgan has the same problem of L’Arachel… He has a tome which gives him +3 Def, but Def is his lower stat. This will not help him, unless he is Def Boon, which is not something you probably don’t want.
Now, about what unit can be demoted to 4-stars… That’s can and cannot happen now! If none of the Fallen Heroes got demoted, this can happens again with this banner.
Sadly most of the story stuff was what we’ve come to expect before recently, but I’m still happy that the last part of it progressed the story in a surprising way. Whether it will lead to anything is to be seen though.
Beowulf looks quite old. I dunno what the deal with Fergus is since Beowulf looks quite old and I doubt Lachesis even liked his personality (he’s considered the polar opposite of her brother). Then again, this is an artists interpretation of a character
Interesting idea, but I always thought Lachesis married Beowulf because he interested her with stories of her brother, but before he died their marriage was already suffering because he knew she loved Eldigan more. Then when Lachesis and Finn were in Lenster they fell in love, and when they were on the move Lachesis gave birth to Nanna (Isn’t Leaf a year or two older than her?) And I always thought that Fergus was just as hinted, Beowulf’s bastard son out of wedlock from his mercenary days. All of this could be wrong though. Thracia barely spelled a lot of things out haha.
The Thracia banner is definetely “New Heroes (Thracia 776?): 10 Apr ~ 23 Apr”. There’s usually a two week gap between new hero releases besides legendary heroes. No other new banner in April
I guess it’s not a bad bunch of events. Only one new heroes banner (Thracia, I guess) and whatever the new seasonal banner is. A little disappointed there’s not GHB, but I suppose it’s nice that they chose to make the free TT hero a 40% hero.
Wow! This is the worst banner I ever seen. All units can be obtained as 3 stars unit… you can get both Oilivia and Donnel as 1 Star unit! This is a bad banner. Most of the player use Olivia as a 4 Stars Lv 40+10. The only reason to summon on this banner is to try to make a +10 5 Stars unit.
Oh well… I am a player who will not spend a orb on this banner. Also, I will keep the 90+ orbs we will get from TT, BHB, Tap Battle, paralogue maps, quests and log-in bonus in the Legendary Banner.
I can get Cherche’s appearance since she’s Gerome’s mom, but Olivia and Donnel are both questionable choices. If I had to wager a guess, it’s IS telling us to save our orbs in a weird way since there’s 5 other banners running for the duration of the TT.
I’m actually somewhat grateful the TT banner is so boring, since spreading yourself thin over half a dozen banners is taxing on both your wallet and your sanity.
The “Countering Skills” banner is curious. Can be units with Distant/Close Counter, Vantage or Sweep skills.
There are, also, the weapons with Distant Counter like Lighting Breath, Ragnell, Raijinto, and Stout Tomahawk.
There are 5 heroes with miracle for the “Heroes with Miracle” banner: Delthea, Lucius, Maria, Mist and Sigurd.
And we have the “Cooldown Bonuses” banner. It can be weapons with cooldown count -1 (killer and slaying weapons), or cooldown charge skills (Flashing and Heavy Blade, Pulse skills, Steady Breath, Vengeful Fighter and Bold Fighter)
I usually just snipe. Even if there are heroes I want across multiple banners, or even the same banner, I usually subconsciously order who I want and pull accordingly. Because it’s not like I’m going to pull all of them.
Lame reveal for something everybody will be seeing by the end of the month. But I guess if they were going to announce a second wave of DLC it’d be part of a larger Nintendo press release.
Surprised she’s apparently a Robin clone, I was very much banking on her being a Linde clone instead seeing as I felt their animations matched up better (i.e. Linde sometimes holds her skirt down after a large attack, I could see Tharja doing that as well).
I honestly can’t imagine Tharja doing Robin’s combo 6 (just throwing down magic in the air), but maybe that’s just me. I expected better of Koei than creating only four new movesets from nine characters. Oh well.
Even though we knew who the three characters for the Awakening DLC were, guess it shouldn’t be surprising that Tharja is in the game. She might not be popular (in recent polls), but she will always be seen as a sex symbol.
Since when is Tharja “not popular”? If you are talking about CYL2 she was still the second highest Awakening character (after Chrom)/Top 10 out of every female in the series, and CYL2 was heavily influenced by people voting for what they want in the game rather than voting for favs (which is why Leif is so high).
Eh, you can say that for some people, but not every voter. Also, she dropped from 4th to 12th. Also, don’t know why, but I guess I kept on thinking she didn’t make the top 10 for her side. Maybe my mind is just trying to block her out.
She was 3rd for females in CYL1 and 10th in CYL2. And once again, she was still the second most voted for Awakening character after Chrom (Awakening characters in general dropped off). Unless you consider no Awakening characters popular besides Lucina and Chrom (not even Robin or Owain)? Tharja makes perfect sense for a DLC character.
And CYL2 was heavily influenced by what people want in the game, which is why Leif, beast units, and Heroes villains (which people want playable) ranked so highly.
This is exactly true. CYL2 was primarily Heroes players, while CYL1 was much more widespread. Given as it was prior to the release of the game, I’d take it as more accurate to the overall series popularity. Plus, Tharja came close to winning the Hero Rises poll too, which was the same time as CYL2.
Tharja is still one of the most known non-main characters in the series.
And my weird streak continues, with my free pull being a +Spd -Def Lute. Has anyone else been getting lucky with the free pulls lately? This is my 4th free five star in TWO MONTHS. Seriously not complaining though.
I had some luck, like yours, in September/October last year. It was in “World of the Holy War” and “Genealogy of Light Tempest Trials” banners. First I tried the Holy War banner and I got a green orb and a red orb. From the green orb I got Merric, and then Sigurd from the Red orb. Then, I decide to try to get Ayra from the TT banner. I got 2 red orbs, I got Seth and then Ayra. In 4 tries, I got 4 heroes 5-stars. Never had that luck again.
Also, I got PA!Azura as free unit in her original banner and I got both Brave Ike and Vanguard Ike at the same Summoning Session in this last Legendary Banner.
Oh wow, you beat the Ayra scam? That’s awesome! She wasn’t really to my taste, so I skipped the banner altogether. I have really meh luck with Legendary Banners too, but maybe that is the true balancing act here
I got pretty lucky in the first Legendary Banner (Fjorm’s banner), with 7 units (Bride Caeda, Spring Xander, Genny, Ike, Bride Cordelia and 2 Ayras). In Gunnthra’s banner, I got Gunnthra in my 3rd orb, and then Innes, Amelia and Sigurd. From Vanguard Ike’s banner, I got Vanguard Ike, Summer Robin and 2 Fayes. Finally, from Legendary Ephraim’s banner, I got Ephraim, Summer Leo, Brave Ike and Vanguard Ike. I always try to get the Legendary Hero first, then I try for the others.
Also, I got lucky in the Falchion’s banner, with a Alm.
So that means Olivia definitely has a unique moveset, since Owain will certainly share Ryoma’s. I thought for sure they would’ve dropped some info on this DLC now, but I guess it’s probably more likely later this week or next week. I’m sure it’ll release sometime the last week this month. I hope if they do decide they aren’t going to make a sequel that they’ll make at least another DLC pack for this game.
So Tharja is a Robin clone… I was predicting a Linde clone, but I’m not complaining. I hope they treat her supports nicely…
Olivia will definitely have a moveset all her own, though. I predict it will be dance-like and full of twirls, with her C1 functionally identical to Azura’s.
As for the artbook, I look forward to it and the possibility of having artwork for all the characters in Fates! Good luck, Kozaki-san!
I mean, I’m all for more merges for my Cherche, but yikes. As much as I enjoy saving feathers, I also enjoy a chance at pulling decent focus units when there are no green orbs.
On the other hand, at least the 20% units for this TT will be characters everyone already has, and likely they’ll have at least one of them built.
Can the Voting Gauntlet be “2017 Spring Heroes Vs 2018 Spring Heroes”? Maybe we will have a new Spring Heroes Banner on March 22nd, and then a banner with the old Spring Heroes for the Voting Gauntlet. I would like it.
I’m guessing Tharja either leans over invisible air or something she momentarily conjures up. Of course, the camera could just pan above her elbow, but that’d be weird.
Also pretty surprised at how many people here are taking offence to Tharja. Being sexy isn’t a crime, people.
Tharja was designed with the appeal of being dark and seductive, which is exactly how IS treats her. Being treated like a sex symbol is only an issue if said character wasn’t designed for the intent of invoking fanservice and has their pre-existing characterization stripped away for that purpose, which clearly hasn’t happened to Tharja given how she’s going to have Supports like every other DLC character.
That’s true, but she’s known known more for sex appeal rather than personality. She has a personality, but IS wants to just have her be a doll. Though I’m interested in supports, but if it’s all going to be about Robin/player… She has other topics she talked about in her supports that are more interesting
BTW, Tharja has no idea of her own sex appeal. She gets flustered when people point out her beauty or large breasts
Some of the Warriors Supports come completely out of nowhere with people you wouldn’t expect to be interacting together, so it’s too hasty to draw conclusions about her game portrayal being purely fanservice.
Other FE works also make efforts to portray her as more than a simple doll: while still focused on sex appeal, she demonstrates a sisterly personality to Kiria in TMS and her promoted cards in Cipher effectively demonstrates the part of her personality which doesn’t concern Robin.
DC and CC, always nice to have, and so rare, at least for me. Never got a Takumi since launch, which means though that if I got one I probably wouldn’t fodder him away. Damn.
Wow, this is an amazing banner! Ike is a mainstay on my Arena team, so of course I dived in for a merge and finally got one in 60 orbs! Red is always good for fodder, though. Good luck for people going for Hector!
Worth noting that Gerome has the second highest BST out of all flier units. Myrrh is a loli and therefore got more BST. Anyways, if you don’t merge units then he can be good for scoring because his BST is 161 which is in the 160-164 point bracket. No other flier besides Myrrh and Gerome have a BST of 160 or greater
And since I don’t have any of the 40% units because my rng for that banner was bs, I’ll have to just slog through with 20% units. I’ll try and think of how to incorporate Gerome into the team after I get his 5* reward.
You can always sack your team on the last map and bring Gerome in with the second team. As long as your speed is good, you’ll probably be fine. I usually have to do that with the 20% units when running the Trials. It’s not so bad, at least to me. Horse runs over the Trials anyway.
If you’re loaded with stamina potions, you could just keep auto-battling the second/third-highest difficulty with the units you want to grind SP/merit for in the first two teams. Do something else with your time while you’re at it. The only time I actually take control of my team(s) is for the first two runs of a day, but occasionally I auto-battle those too if I’m too lazy.
It’s a pretty efficient way of grinding SP/merit for no effort.
PFFFT HAHA
And my friends were positive we’d be getting Promoted Zelgius today and that he’d have the connected art with +Ike. Can’t wait to hear their reactions!
Not sure about that. Only one of my units took any substantial damage and I only really used two units in total. The healers never even attacked me once.
My Brave Lyn could solo most of the map with only some occasional aid from Axura. This BHB feels more like a refresher and an excuse to give players some orbs to spend since the accompanying bait banner isn’t appealing in the slightest.
Yeah, that’s true.
You know, something they should add in this Bound hero battles? Ally Support between the 2 heroes. This would make a lot of sense to have in this type of battles.
The one on the right seems to have similar hair (next to her face) to Sharena and the one on the left doesn’t seem to have female hips. I root for Alfonse and Sharena. But I agree it can be Felicia as well if that one part of the shadow is her ponytail.
The right one, with the pony tail, who can be Felicia, looks to be a tome unit.
She looks to be holding a egg, so… Or this will be the Red Egg “tome”, or maybe a new type of “Egg Tome”, and then the Lucina’s Blue Egg+ and Camilla’s Green Egg+ will receive a evolution refinement (Both Blue and Green Eggs+ are Might 11, so they can be evolved to a Mt 12 or 13 weapon).
I hadn’t really considered that Felicia could be the one on the right, but now that I look at it more I can see why people are speculating that it’s her. As for the one on the left, I’m not really sure. It looks like they are either holding a lance or staff, but it’s most likely a lance, because I don’t really see them putting out a seasonal healer. If the one on the right turns out to be Felicia, then she’ll probably be an infantry mage, like Spring Lucina.
Oh boy, here comes the next wave of broken seasonal armor/flyer units, will the staves finally get their addition of a flier unit? That would actually be kind of busted with how horse staves already are a huge pain to deal with if built correctly.
Dagger Flier? Yep, leave to the seasonal banners to come up with the most unconventional units…so flier staff/bow soon. The mages though…Catria you debuffing monster; between the 2 mages Sharena will probably have the best min/max to her stats. And Alfonse is also here, though his Smoke Def is pretty nasty. Unfortunately he is just going to act as the troll poll for those wanting Catria.
Fjorm and Gunnthrá better get something in the future now that Alfonse, Sharena, and Veronica are getting alt versions. Also good for Catria and ESPECIALLY Kagero getting must deserved love!
So if the spring paralogues were foreshadowing bunny Sharena then that means that bride Anna, summer Alphonse and summer Sharena could very likely happen.
I certainly didn’t expect this, and I’m not entirely sure how I feel about it. I do know that I won’t be spending orbs on it, however. They need to do something seriously incredible to make me pull Seasonal again, because all my attempts at pulling from seasonal end in sadness.
Thanks Mila this is a 1 month banner, so I will wait until the Legendary Hero banner to see which one I will spend my orbs, but also I need some orbs to try to get Nanna in a near future.
Who the heck decided Spring Camilla’s outfit needed to return, and on Kagero of all people? I want them dead, that’s nothing but the continuation of the obnoxious trend of turning epic characters into fanservice ones and it pisses me off.
Eh, I guess. I sort of never found Kagero’s to be quite as bad, especially considering Saizo and Kaze also had the weird little semi-open front so I suppose I just assumed that was just part of the uniform for all Hoshidan Ninja. She really could have chosen a better color than yellow, though…
Another factor is that Kagero at least had something to her character besides quote-unquote ‘personality’ as opposed to Camilla, who had all kinds of potential that got scrapped in favor of SILF bewbs.
Kaze and Saizo don’t run the risk of anything falling out of that boob window though. For them it just looks weird.
Take it from someone who knows, she can not fight in that outfit without exposing herself. Hell without any proper support that is just awkward and painful and frankly unworkable with the kind of jumping around the ninja do. Don’t get me started on the bottom half of that costume.
Not even getting into their personalities, I personally find yandere types very disturbing, no matter the gender, so I won’t go near Camilla, but her “armor” was just the worst. I was speechless seeing that.
I never had any issue with Kagero’s design generally, and I actually love this art style with its attention to shading and lighting, almost as if painted, but at some point we have to consider humans proportion here…
I find Catria’s art pretty harmless, but I still don’t really like how they’ve made her look younger than her Echoes art, which I think is a perfect representation of a top-5 favorite for me.
it’s not so much proportions, it’s the laws of physics, like gravity
like, maybe if those things on the costume are metal and she holds that position with her arm supporting the frontload and without breathing, but even then this is unlikely
everything would come all tumbling out as soon as she moves or takes a moderately deep breath
Yeah I was more thinking like, how does that work on such a slight frame? People were giving Grima’s artist a hard time for ill proportions, but Kagero isn’t vaguely within the confines of human development. Not with that body. I just don’t see a reason to go so overboard. Restraint is a friend.
The costume is unworkable, yeah, but frankly almost all women (and some men) have pretty ridiculous outfits if they actually had to do anything (like all the Pegasus Knights in little skirts or Catria riding a horse in what she’s wearing. I’m used to that ridiculousness by now.
As someone who has been cursed with a very similar physique I have to disagree with you on that, but I definitely know first hand that those clothes are bs, as is her original costume, sorry.
But I do see a trend for proportions like these which are definitely unusual and even worse ones which go right over into ridiculous without artificial help. I would absolutely welcome some restraint as well, especially for Kagero who is Hoshidan, an Asian inspired country, and on their body types this would be even more of a freak occurence.
At least they’re not floating under her chin.
That’s definitely true as well.
For the short skirts on a pegasus all I can say, it can work, but only without a saddle.
Hmmm fair enough. I spoke too confidently then, and I take it back. I actually didn’t remember her original costume and had to look it up again, but yeah, that one isn’t doing her much good either, surely. I’ve wondered from time to time how all these large-chested women would be able to do much of anything in the way of fighting as they allegedly do. I’ve known less-endowed folks struggle with less.
It’s certainly not the most common shape for a woman to have.
They must have a great tolerance for pain, be extremely skilled to deal with the obstacles they carry around, or use the flopping about of parts that get in the way as a diversionary tactic… I’m kidding, it’s just fanservice and pandering to a certain type of male demographic. Wish fulfillment.
A heavily armored class wearing armor that leaves most of the most vulnerable attack points bare just blew my mind.
Minerva’s armor looks really cool, it’s a bit over the top but that’s its worst offense.
Totally agree, you can give her proper light armor, put her all in leather, make it tight and suggestive and flattering to her physique and there you go, practical and still going with the theme. It’s really not that hard.
Make it white and with frilly designs on if you want to create a fake sense of innocence, there are so many options.
To be honest, all of this is one of the reasons I was very happy when they announced a different artist for Echoes. Kozaki Yusuke is talented no doubt, but although before him there were some ludicrous designs it wasn’t on almost every character and it wasn’t as extreme. Even the post battle poses of the female character models in Fates are completely incongruous and unnecessary. (Awakening did it to a lesser extent)
Echoes has its flaws as well, as do all the games, but it wasn’t as bad as the Kozaki designed games.
Actually, Echoes has my favorite presentation of all of them, and if I had my way, would be the standard the series uses going forward. I loved just about all the art (though they couldn’t shake their past issues when it came to writing) and the feel of the environments felt consistent as well. As I’ve said, that game and its art turned Catria into a top-5 character for me.
I think your point about incongruity sums it up well. Fanservice is one thing in a title that fosters it, but it just feels odd in a Fire Emblem title that still tries to be serious otherwise. The post battle poses and even all the quipping during battle don’t help with that.
This happened to me in the Resonating Fangs Tempest Trial Banner. Boey was a focus unit, and I summon a 4 star one.
You probably had the same reaction mine: “OMG! I got a five-sta… oh… he is 4-stars… damn it!”
Destruction Pact is a curious skill. It can be really helpfull in some hard missions, but if the “gradually decreases the user’s HP” effect the HP requirement for S-Rank, this will be the worst skill to have on a unit.
The one DLC pack I’ve wanted the most is also going to be the one released at the absolute latest possible date. Of course. They just really want to wring out every last moment before I finally get Owain, lmao.
Mildly unrelated, but looking at the datamine, it seems we didn’t protest the Tap Battle enough, since we’re getting another one. We should change that. Although, the quickest way to win me over is with Twilight of the Gods, so maybe they’re at least learning (also yeah I have no orbs of putting in around 200 for Morgan-F and not getting her, but I promise I’m not too bitter)
Did people really dislike Tap Battle that much? Barring the admittedly bland music, I had some great fun with the mode. It’s somewhat understandable that IS wouldn’t exactly hit the nail right on the head when they experiment with something totally new, so just killing it off from a lackluster first impression would be too harsh.
But tap battle is servery limited on any potential functions or fixes. Only thing I see getting better is making the rewards better, or at least offering separate rewards for clearing hard mode. Because there was no real incentive to actually do that mode, or no real incentive to keep on getting a high score. Along wit hthe fact that the summit rewards being a hotspring animation…..yeah. 5 orbs wouldn’t have killed them.
Ugh…I loathed it, and I understand it wasn’t well received either. It was exceedingly boring, irritatingly repetitive, didn’t give meaningful rewards, and had nothing to do with Fire Emblem or even the rest of the game in any meaningful way. And then the quests exacerbated it. Why do i have to go kill the lowest level boss five times each day? That’s a mind-numbing waste of my time even compared to some of the other random quests. In a game where we don’t have any way to generate our own resources, it felt like being made to junp through a very odd hoop. Plus, like Blessed Gardens, it’s a very lazy way to occupy the developers when there are other things they could be doing. It’s fine that some people don’t mind it, but I found it endlessly grating.
It was somewhat repetitive, yeah, and the quests were weird, but I for one will personally take them over the ‘go beat the Training Tower Tenth Floor ten times’ garbage, especially since it’s really only good for Support or Badge grinding now that we have the rotating SP Training Levels.
Yeah those quests aren’t wonderful either, but at least they let me play the game. I can use teams and units I don’t usually, which gives it mild entertainment. The units don’t even matter for Tap Battle
But Tap Battle by itself is completely harmless. It’s just a fun little side-game, doesn’t cost anything to play, and while the rewards are relatively minor, it’s still essentially free stuff we presumably wouldn’t be getting otherwise. Honestly, I don’t see any significant problems with it.
I know they overhyped the possibility of a final reward at the end last time, but that doesn’t make the mode itself bad.
If you don’t enjoy something and its prizes, can’t you just keep quiet and ignore it? Is INTSYS obliged to pull down everything you’re not satisfied with? WTF is with this arrogant attitude? I never enjoyed Arena Assault and guess what, I don’t play it. It’s really THAT easy. Besides, I know tons of people who have fun with Tap Battles, myself included. Maybe you should realize that even if many people are vocal about their dislike for it, the majority is quiet and that’s because they have no reason to be vocal about it.
Never would I have imagined playing a Musou game where the player actually hands the reigns over to NPC allies. I’ve always accepted the general uselessness of NPCs as a norm in Musou games, so I really can’t wait to try playing as a strategist.
I’m pretty bummed about getting spooked by the wrong Morgan, so hopefully I can have some better luck in this banner. It’s nice that Alfonse and Sharena actually interacted with their other selves; here’s hoping Anna gets another version of herself soon.
I’m very much expecting Anna on the bridal banner. The siblings getting bunny outfits was sort of foreshadowed by that paralogue’s dialogue, and Anna did get that enchanted bouquet after all.
Yeah. Faye has 42 HP, 41 Atk, 21 Spd, 26 Def and 34 Res. With the Guard Bow, she will have 42 Atk. After Refinement, she will have 44 HP and probably 29 Def, because I am thinking to give it a DEF refinement. For the A-Skill, I don’t know what to give her. For now she has Death Blow 2, but I was thinking about a Boost Skill. I only have available Earth Boost as a Lv 3 Skill, but Fire Boost also can be useful. A Stat Plus skill is also a possibility. For B-Skill, I was thinking about Quick Riposte, but the Cancel Affinity is now a option. For C-Skill, Threaten Def is a possibility, but also Drive Spd and Panic Ploy. For Sacred Seal, I will go with Distant Def or Def Ploy. Iceberg as Special, and Reposition as Assist.
I myself have a +Res – Def Faye, and I run a Res Guard Bow with QR 2 and Iceberg, works very well! I gave her Defense Ploy, but honestly the C slot is flexible most of the time.
You aren’t interested in the Firesweep/Poison Strike/Savage Blow build? That’s what I’d want to build if I ever have one, since it’s pretty unique. Otherwise, I’d guess DD/QR is probably pretty viable with the guard bow.
I’m so excited for this! Would love to see further DLC, but only if it’s different. I feel like the UI isn’t set up great for too many more characters or History Mode maps.
Day one has blown out all my Orbs, and what to show for it?
A Leo, an Elise, and a second Karel…
I’m cool with that, since I didn’t have either of the Nohrians, though it is a little frustrating that two 5S Units came on the color that couldn’t have given me a Focus Unit. Ah, well, the Banner is yet young and my Alt Account still has a chance to show off its ridiculous luck with these things.
It might wouldn’t make any sense for Owain to have his Dark Mage costume and Odin identity since Owain is a Myrmidon in Fire Emblem Warriors and Owain didn’t use any magic back in Awakening. He managed to gained Magic from Anakos during at Hidden Truths 2.
About yours Echoes pack: Alm is a obvious choice, he is the protagonist of his game along side Celica. I don’t know about Clair, because she would the the 4th pegasus knight. What about Clive/Conrad, a totally new moveset as Lance Cavalry? And Boey? I like Boey, but I don’t know if he would be the choice from Celica’s Army. They would probably go with Mae and give her Linde’s Moveset.
About yours Blazing Sword Pack: Hector is a good choice, being the one with the new moveset. But if they decide to go with Hector, they should add Eliwood too, with Xander’s moveset. And my last choice would be Ninian, because we need another Dragon in the game. She can have a different moveset than Tiki, because Tiki is more like a child and Niniam is more like a Adult.
I don’t know about FE Switch Pack, what about a Path of Radiant Pack? With Ike (probably another Chrom clone), Titania (Frederick clone) and Elincia, being the first Flying Sword unit in the game.
I choose FE switch pack because they obviously are gonna promete it when launch, the same way celica was included in the game to promote echoes.
But if they made a path of radiant pack, the characters i want are: Ike (obviously), Titania and Shinon. I choose shinon because there’s few true archers in the game (anna is a trickster and niles is a outlaw, so they don’t count).
Would be interesting to have FE Switch Characters as a promotion of the game but, as you said, Celica was include to promote Echoes. They used 1 character to promote the 3ds games, not a full Pack. I can see 1 character as a reward for buying the Season Pack 2. Celica was a old character with a new visual, so huge FE’s fans already knew her, and we all believe FE Switch will be a new game, not a remake. If I was not a FE’s fan, I would not be interesting in Corrin when he/she was annouced for Smash as DLC.
Also, Outlaw is a Archer class, just don’t have the name “archer”. Outlaw is a Nohr’s archer class, as Diviner is a Hoshido’s mage class and Shrine Maiden is a Hoshido’s cleric class.
You have a point about the FE Switch characters, one character is enough to promote the game. Also, outlaws are the Nohr’s thief class, not the archer class.
Yeah… that’s true about the Outlaw… I forgot Outlaw has Locktouch.
Also, maybe to promote the FE Switch game, Warriors can update for version 2.0 for a second season pass and they could give the FE Switch unit for free, similar to how Fjorm was add in Heroes whe the Book Two was added to the game.
Hello, Delthea.
Why would they need to cover her up? Then again, the “secret” figurines in the previous sets were Feh (okay) and Reinhardt (why), so they don’t really need a reason.
Also vanilla Sharena still doesn’t get a figurine, being passed over in favour of her bunny version. Sad. At least Anna is here!
99% sure it’s Delthea. The piece that can be thought as pants is the “tail” of her robe, and this looks exactly like her ponytail. Give me a minute (not literally) and I’ll whip up her sprite from the assets.
Her pony tail is too thick on the tail end to be her’s, plus the ‘tail’ of her robes flow back during her attack so it doesn’t line up with looking like pants. Also her legs come in close during her attack animation, the silhouette’s is spacing out more with one leg doing a little pop.
There are plenty of small discrepancy between the two: hair shape, tome position, angle of her arm, however the counter to it being Delthea is that her legs and feet don’t even come close to matching up as at no point during her animations does her right leg do a pop up like you see in the silhouette. I’d love for her to get one of these, but this aint it.
I believe is Delthea too. For me, the arm and legs format don’t match with Robin’s, so I don’t believe the shadow unit is our “Mystery Tactician: F! Robin”. The first time I saw it, I thought it could be Tharja, but the sprite shape don’t match.
I do see the resemblance, but when I checked Delthea’s sprite in game, her bow should have covered the gap between the ponytail and the head that’s shown in the silhouette. Unless IS forgot to include it? Or, perhaps the bow is blowing so far away that a gap is created. But in the game, no gap was seen in the animation. So that’s why I’m not sure…
The bow would cover a part of the gap, leaving some uncovered.
I wish I actually had a Delthea in my barracks because I always forget to screenshot as I’m fighting her.
I only see the tail on the left side but not the right side, which during Robin’s attack animations we see both very clearly; also it should be noted that where Robin’s pig tails start are lower than what we see in the silhouette. Another thing to note is actually the legs, specifically the pant bottom, it doesn’t match up with any of Robin’s canonical designs and the silhouette seem to be wearing a cap, not a robe. So unless they give F!Robin a completely unconventional design that breaks from the current FEH mold, it’s not her despite the supposed datamine leaks. It’s not Delthea either as it also doesn’t matchup.
Keep in mind too that we haven’t had the Thracia banner yet which, by the time this set is available, will have come out already with it’s accompanying TT and/or GHB, so my money is actually on it being Ishtar as the hair does match up and her we don’t know how updated/different her design will be from the original works.
*looking at Saizo and Kaze Clear Files”
isn’t that official art of them? (remember, we haven’t got official artwork of FE: Fates excepting some character
It’s a re-run, so instead of getting orbs for the initial clear (if you got those last time), there’s now 6 quests with one orb each for fulfilling certain requirements. For the most part, not too rough.
Hmmm Girl Grima actually looks really enticing, and I’ve wanted a Summer Elise for just about ever. And the green and colorless pools are actually pretty good for me. Although, my luck on these banners has been quite poor (a lot of 5* pulled, not yet anyone I had wanted). Tough decision.
Good luck to you, Summer Elise is adorable and really good too, a lot like Nino though.
I wanted a Sumemr Tiki but I’ve already got Elise and three Gunnthras (she likes me for some reason), so I’ll probably skip green. Colorless and Blue for me 🙂
And maybe I’ll try and fail to get Sigurd again, not even sure why, I have too many red horsies as it is, and horsie Chrom is really great.
Thank you! Good luck to you too! I want Elise exactly because it would allow me to basically run two Ninos. She’s basically my only green mage right now. I’d be fine with Gunnthra, and could probably find some use for Close Defense.
I don’t know how you’re doing with the rotating GHBs, but Sigurd is apparently really helpful for those, since he’s so hard to kill. Other than that, yeah, I also have a ton of red horses, and I’m still partial to Xander’s Distant Counter, even if Chrom is really strong
That’s exactly the thing, I just keep using Xander too 😀
But horsie Chrom really won me over during this TT, I know he gets bonuses on that, but I’ve been using him on my arena team too these last two weeks and he’s really good. So fast, and sturdy too, the lack of DC is the only drawback.
Thanks 🙂
I see. Well, may she come to you then. I’ve got Merric, Cecilia, Deirdre, Elise, Inigo and Nino that I regularly use so I’m good on green mages mostly. But I’ll probably still try to get bunny Sharena 🙂
But Nino is my MVP. Elise has similar stats, but I don’t have a bladetome on her.
I’ve not done too many of the quests yet. I’ve got all of the blessings but I’ve been a bit lazy about the team specific quests.
Same, Xander, Cecilia and Camus are still my horse emblem core. Rotating regular Elise, Reinhardt or BLyn/LA Roy as the 4th, depending on the situation. But I’ve become very fond of horsie Chrom over this last TT and arena season. With the sealed Falchion he’s just extremely fast and sturdy _and_ hardhitting. And that’s without horse buffs. So I’ll give it a try even if I will really miss the DC. Or maybe I’ll change my backup cavalry team.
I honestly really didn’t want to see another Grima *already*. The Fallen Heroes banner wasn’t even that long ago and on top of that we’ve just had another Awakening banner as well. It feels like suddenly, IS has returned to its fascination with Awakening. So yeah, other than legendary hero status and the fact this unit happens to be a colourless dragon… I don’t really care. Still, it’s a good banner, so I’ll pull from it anyway. The only dud colour for me is Green. I already have Gunnthrá, and with Brave Ike and Nino, what need would I have for Elise and Tiki? Other than like… Close Def fodder and Valor skill utility.
Now as a big Tellius fanboy, I see Mist here, and this is only her third banner appearance, including her debut banner. I’m sure people will call me crazy for this, but being one of three Tellius units I still didn’t have yet (the others being Mia and Nephenee), I sniped for her anyway. And I had the luck to get her, and in a fairly timely fashion. 84 orbs down and I got her. And that, even after getting pity broken early on by a forced non-colourless pull in the form of Sigurd – which I’m also perfectly OK with. So yeah, I’m content, and I still have about 85 orbs left, so I can move on to the Legendary banner now as well. This almost couldn’t have worked out better for me.
After my bad luck streaks lately, it’s about time, really…
I am happy you got the unit you wanted. Mist is not the best staff user, but she is not the worst either. From the Tallius units, I don’t have Elincia, Mia and Zelgius. Maybe I can get the Jet-Black General in this Legendary Banner.
I think it’s safe to expect they will always go back to Awakening. It’s just too popular not to lean on. Tellius, while also my favorite, doesn’t seem to match it in that regard.
Sniping for a Mist with only 170 orbs is a bold move. Glad it worked out.
By my standards, 170 is a lot. I’m honestly not sure I’ve ever held that many orbs at any one time before throughout the game’s life so far. And thankfully, it seems my luck isn’t too shabby so long as I stay away from seasonals. After several attempts, I’ve learned my lesson. Seasonal banners hate me with a passion.
And yes, of course, I understand that Awakening remains a big deal to IS, but now that they’re finally touching upon it again in Heroes, they’re laying it on pretty thick. I suppose there’s probably some sort of business logic behind it. Still, for me personally, it’s a little much. Last time they focused this much on one game in Heroes within a short time-span was surrounding the release of Shadows of Valentia.
That’s incredible to me. I tend to hoard around 300 before I pull. I find that maximizes my likelihood of getting a unit I want. Of course, even then that’s worked only about half the time this year. I would never expect to get my target with 170, even sniping. I get stressed below 200, but that might be my luck.
First… I got a Laslow as my free summon.
Second… This is my opinion and preferences about this legendary banner:
– The main color I am going is… colorless:
I want FV!Robin because she looks to be a good unit, but I don’t know if I will put her in my Dragon Team or in my Flying Team. I think Dragonskin will be exclusive to her. If not, Myrrh will be the only other unit who can use it. Also, I don’t have Nekura, so… yeah. And is always good to have Swift Sparrow and Atk Smoke. I use my free neutral Brave Lyn, and I don’t plan to change her for others.
– Next is… Red:
I don’t have Zelgius and Nowi, so good for me if I got one of them. I have 3 Ikes, so… meh.
– The 3rd color I am going is… Green:
I only don’t have Elise for the green color 9I would prefer her normal version, but…). I have Tiki, but Close Def is always good to have, and maybe I can get a better Gunnthrá (if I am not wrong, mine is -Res).
– and Blue is the last one.
I only don’t have Lute. Fjorm is a good unit, but she only has Atk Drive for me, and I got a Brave Lucina from the Spring banner…
I didn’t expect Robin to be the first Colorless Dragon. I don’t like F!Robin that much… she is “meh” for me. And I still want a Legendary Staff user, which I still think will be Fjorm’s and Gunnthrá’s other sister. I think the other Nifl’s princess is the youngest one, and will receive the classic treatment of the youngest royal member: be a healer, like Maria, Sakura, Elise and Lissa.
+spd/-hp so not bad. Already had a +atk/-res Abel that was fully build a while ago. So unneeded really. I’ll probably pass Brave Lance+ to someone instead.
I wasn’t salty when I pulled Abel since I was too shocked with my worst ever pull rate to get any 5* unit. But yeah. Now I feel the burn with this banner which could have been a better choice to pull on. …Oh well. Not much I can do about it now. Just gotta rebuild my stockpile for insurance whenever the Choose Your Legends pops out.
When I tried to get Halloween Nowi in her original banner, I got a pity broken by a Saber at 5%.
Never used him, and last month I used him to give Slaying Edge+ to Soleil.
I have some luck in Legendary Banners, so I hope to get Robin with my 80 orbs…
Ouch. That sucks.
Yeah. Me reaching 5.75% was a surprised since I’ve never experienced such bad luck and reaching such a high pity percentage. I know better now than to try and break 4% Pity since that’s nothing compared to 5.75%. (Sorry for continuing my rant, just venting since I’m still feeling salty about the game).
Anyways, Good luck with getting Robin on this banner.
Male Grima: armor unit with no armor coverage and made green to be rigged instead of red which would have been cannon
Female Grima: flying unit with flying coverage and a unique typing which is better endurance against falchion, legendary hero who probably power creeps
Wow, I can’t believe that I am actually saying this, but I think I may have preferred legendary King/Queen Corrin to another Grima. Don’t get me wrong, I really like her design, but I honestly feel no incentive to pull her. May dive in one session blues to see if I can net another Lucina or Lute, though. At least the colorless pool is good here?
Don’t need/want any of the Blue or Green units, so this will be Red and Colorless for me. Want FV!Robin and don’t have H!Sakura, also don’t have Zelgius or H!Nowi. If I get another B!Lyn or V!Ike I won’t be too upset because I’ll just merge them. They’re two of my most used anyway.. though I’m hoping for the best with getting new units.
Oh boy, we’re free-sniping the Legendary Banner again. Frickin’ Spring Banner giving me such great Pity Breakers(Elise, Leo, Grima, Karel). Ah well, I’m sure one of my Frees will be someone good.
Olivia’s voice feels super awkward at times. I know it’s Karen Strassman voicing both her and Anna and trying to sound unique but the higher pitches sometimes sound super strained.
Holy wow. Never before have I been shafted so hard in my entire life. $95 later and all I have to show for myself is one Halloween Sakura. I could cry.
That’s awful – I still havn’t got a Gunnthra and that still smarts – I came out of the fallen heroes a few £ poorer and not a 5* to show, so I feel for you. Green seems to hate me.
The Legendary Banner is not being all too kind to me right now. I’ve only gotten another Brave Lyn. That’s my third now, and she’s a trash nature. So I guess I’m foddering or merging with that. Depends if I can find a good recipient for Swift Sparrow.
Yeah, I see anything with that many reinforcements and I just abstain. There are two many variables for me to really alter my team construction. The fliers that spawn right next your position on either side put too much pressure on me.
And yeah, I didn’t pull anything with my orbs, so I’m a little bummed.
Sorry to hear that. What I usually do when a summoning session is really terrible the first few orbs I wait till the next day. It may just be superstition, but it’s helped save orbs and have better luck?
It’s my own fault really. I spent about 350 orbs between Morgan-F and Soleil (and got neither), and those were luxury units I probably wouldn’t ever use. I should’ve been more patient and conserved my resources.
I assume you did the lower levels anyways, but if not I breezed through the first two difficulties with Male Grima tanking the left upper chokepoint and my heavily-SI’d Selena(Slaying Edge Glacies Death Blow) taking the right side, with my even-more-heavily-SI’d Cordelia(Aether Darting Blow Vantage Breath of Life) and vanilla Elise taking the bottom reinforcements. The third level’s been difficult enough that I backed off to try again with my Main account.
Yeah, I’ve done them all except for the top one. But I’ve figured it out mostly. It’s taken me forever to figure out a unit that could actually survive or kill Robin, but my Klein can do it if I can get Glacies off, so it’s just maneuvering around the map in a way that he has the charge when he gets to her.
My month long streak of bad luck comes to an end, immediately pulled 2 Gunnthras…both for some reason felt the need to be -atk, but I DID pull something. I then pulled a F!Grima…-spd, so like with the Gunnthras, very sub optimal IVs, but it was a meaningful pull unlike the -atk pity breaker jeorge I got that killed my 5% pity rate on the bunny banner.
Alright! I’m glad to hear your luck finally turned around. I think you stole my alt account’s luck, though, I got screwed this time around with a third Brave Lyn when I didn’t even want my second one. Hopefully my main does better, I could use Female Grima to counter my alt’s Male Grima nicely.
Wow! I got really lucky in this Legendary Banner. From my 100 orbs… I got 7 units.
A Zelgius +HP -Spd; a Ike +Atk -Def; A Lyn neutral; a Nowi +Spd -Def; a Lute +Atk -Def and 2 Gunnthrás, +Spd/-Atk and +Atk/-Spd.
I didn’t get Robin yet, because I don’t have orbs. I will wait for the April quest to summon again. But I am happy with what I got!
Zelgius came in my 3rd orb, and Ike, Lute and both Gunnthrás came when none colorless orb appeared.
My Gunnthra is +Def -Atk, so I am really happy with a new one.
Seriously, I’ve been playing every day since launch and I’ve only gotten seven Sheema in total (two 5*, five 4*). I pull literally every other green unit in existence. Hopefully she’ll be available in a 4* banner soon.
I got a Gunnthrá for my efforts but I’m not planning on using her.
I’ve pulled just one actually, and I still use that one on my armor team. There are a handful of early units I’ve only seen very few off. I pulled my first Jeorge about a month ago, for instance.
At the same time, she’s my highest merged unit, and I’m pretty much sniping green each time I don’t want anything else. It just feels like bad luck at this point considering my massive Barst collection.
Seems so, though this can all be explained if we’re both f2p. People who spend money on orbs are also more likely to get the units they want, of course. I’m just a bit annoyed since she’s one of my favourite units, and I still don’t have a single +10 unit.
You see Robin’s face?
She’s laughing at us.
She’s laughing because she knows we must now delve into the depths of Colorless Hell for her.
And that we’re all going to get screwed by 5S Lucius.
You do realize that legendary banners do not have 5 stars outside of the focus units right? Regardless, they are still a pain since the large number of focus units mean you are less likely to get the one you want but still…
With Accelerate does it only work with certain people who have lower speed than their clones? I gave it to Lyn and I noticed no change, if this is true could you make a list of who it works with?
I can’t get Gunnthra, and now I can’t get Female Grima! Well, you know what?! The hell with it, I’m done with these Legendary Hero Banners! In fact, I can’t get any of those powerful heroes anymore, I don’t give a s***! I might as well save those Orbs forever! My summoning days are over! F*** you, IS, F*** YOU!
Legendary Banner; 250 FTP Orbs; 13,50% Rate; one 5* H!Sakura. This is why I (can) only use Reinhardt-sama and B!Lyn-chan.
I am so sorry Delthea that I didn´t Summon for you!
Wew, refinements! Refinements everywhere! Ready to speculate, people? Most of this is pretty baseless, but here’s some guesses I have
So Binding Blade. I don’t think they’re gonna do DC, for one. I also don’t think they’re gonna turn it into a straight Falchion. I think they will keep the defensive bonuses, but bump them up to +6 to each defense. Built-in Close/Distant Def is huge to set him apart from other swords. Beyond that it’s a bit up in the air. A friend of mine actually suggested a Breath Breaker effect, which would certainly be an interesting take on the idea of dragon-slaying. He’d be by far the tankiest anti-dragon unit available if they did something like this.
Forblaze… Lilina is basically attack incarnate. I don’t know how they’ll execute it exactly, but I think pain will be dealt. They should at least set her apart from Sanaki. …Built-in Death Blow, anyone? Forblaze canonicaly grants Luck+5, but that doesn’t really translate that well into Heroes. You can make a case for Guard, but I don’t think that suits Lilina too well. The weapon also is effective against dragons and if that makes it into Heroes… Well, any dragon that isn’t blue will just melt. That does sound fun. I kinda want it.
The Regal Blade canonically is just a strong sword. They might upgrade the base effect to Ivaldi levels, but I think that’d be rather underwhelming. Still it could happen, and it’s kind of the obvious thing to do. I can also see some effect to help take advantage of his Res or to reinforce it, but he’ll have steep competition from Joshua in that regard. His base skillset also doesn’t really lend itself well to any particular strategy. Not entirely sure what to make of this.
And the Nameless Blade could really be anything. I see people say Killer + Wo Dao effect like Hauteclere, but that’s really boring. Still, since these two – especially Fir – are quite reliant on their Specials, I can see some sort of effect to improve Special Charge somehow. I was actually speculating a perhaps really gimmicky reverse-Heavy Blade. So basically Heavy Blade, but with a reversed activation condition. Neither Karel nor Fir – again especially Fir – have very high Atk, so it would probably activate a lot of the time. And then to keep up damage output, they could throw on that Wo Dao effect anyway. Or perhaps Wrath? That’d seriously be doubling-down on special charge, wouldn’t it? I think this would be a neat idea, though.
And that’s all I got for my wild, baseless speculating. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I guess Nameless Blade will be similar to Wo Dao, but I think they’re gonna give it cooldown acceleration. Wrath as a refinement probably
Regal Blade I could see getting in-built def ploy
A dragon-killing Forblaze would be really cool actually. I’d get on board with that, even though my Lilina is locked in as a Raven user right now. I agree the swords could be anything.
It’s time for our boy Roy to shine, I’ve already pulled a few 5/4*s of varying IVs and have just been waiting for this to see which would be the most optimal to build. I’m also also really interested in the Nameless Blade and how Fir will end up in the tier list or if Karel was the intended recipient of the buff and she was just an afterthought.
Right? I’m predicting though, based off of F!Grima’s Dragonskin skill giving Distant/Close Def 2 + flying immunity, that Roy will get Distant/Close Def 3, which would be dope and make him a perfect candidate for Distant Counter.
Yeah, I’ve also kept some Roys around just for the occasion. I think +SPD/-HP is going to be the one to go with, if you have it, since SPD is important and he’ll get the HP back from the refinement, but I bet anything with -HP would be viable. Dumping the other stats makes them seem a little low to me.
But anyway, I’m hoping they go all out and give him the +5 DEF/RES and Distant Counter in some form. I don’t think he’d be broken if they did, but it would give him a niche as an enemy phase sword user. The refinements have been pretty hit or miss though, so I guess we’ll see
I guess it depends on what weapon you want to run. +Atk would do wonders with Bladetome, but that build is pretty standard. Ivaldi isn’t bad, and that +Res can help her stay closer to 100% for the bonus effects as well as bait red mages?
Yeah, currently I do have Blárblade on her, and with Eirika support she deals some crazy damage already. I think I’m gonna stick with +Res and equip her with Ivaldi again, since she likes the speed it can give. Maybe I’ll include a healer on that team to keep her topped up.
3* Sully…don’t care, I’m not spending orbs on this banner, it’s clearly baiting you to spend and for anyone who cares for the Thracia Banner, you want to wait since it comes in just over a week (11th right?). I don’t really care for Thracia so I’m going to just save up orbs and wait until the next seasonal/new banner or if something like the counter skill banner pops up…so things are going to be dull for a while for me with this game.
Seriously guys. Just wait a few days. Don’t spend anything on this banner yet. The Thracia banner could possibly also have great fodder if you’re looking for it
I was speaking in the context of Thracia units also being fodder. It would be rash not to see everything that’s being offered and picking the first thing you see
That is true, though I’m going to guess that’s not going to apply to Leif with him most likely being given an exclusive skill like with Sigurd or Zelgius and the other skills being already existing. I’m also guessing that Finn will be kind of like Sothe, both that he’ll be the 4* demotion and also come with a skill that currently does not exist on a 4* obtainable. This leaves Nanna who might come with something like Spd Tactic or a new skill type, or she could be like Micaiah or Ayra and come with an exclusive skill of her own.
the official artwork of rudolf is nice! I like how the game represent their face from the official artwork in their stats screen compared to their portrait (and I’ve no problem with it)
Signed Ishtar is abominably expensive, I wish luck to anyone trying to get her with their boxes because her price is unreal.
Also Cipher Set 14 being devoted entirely to the Cipher Mascots please?!
Maybe S14 has something to do with the new game for the Switch? So that you could have returning characters from other games like Marth and Ike as playable characters? Also Priam fits so well in this set, with Path of Radiant Dawn as descendant of Ike and in Awakening his first appearance. And Jugdral in the same story universe (connection to Naga), this is really a nice deluge of fanservice~
Kind of disappointed that they just reskined Reinhardt and Olwen instead of adding in 2 new characters from Tharcia like Asvel/Mareeta/Linoan/etc. Also the new game mode seems pretty boring, especially since it’s literally just rival domains which was already a lackluster mode.
But the rest of the update was good; Camus finally getting a rerun, new weapon refinements, and best of all a rework of the rarity pool.
There has never been any instances of five new characters being simultaneously revealed as far as I can recall, and both Reinhardt and Olwen were admittedly good choices as they were the earliest Thracia units with great popularity to boot.
Though I do admit I’m slightly disappointed that they don’t actually look that much different from their regular counterparts in terms of art. I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from each other if I just took a cursory glance.
IIRC, wasn’t the original *Sibling Bonds* banner (featuring Eldigan, Sanaki, Olwen, Reinhardt, Klein and Lachesis) and the *Blazing Shadows* banner (featuring Karel, Ninian, Rebecca, Jaffar, Priscilla and Lucius) both count.
My memory has failed me after all since you’re actually right, though it’s worth noting that both banners came very early in the game’s lifespan back when the roster was around half of its current size and IS kept pumping out new heroes every other week. To rephrase my previous statement, no such occurences have occurred lately
inb4 someone proves me wrong again
They did a lot of QOL things here: TT are shorter and easier to score in, summon pool is a lot better, more HM, new game mode that looks fun, some pretty cool refines. People have been asking for a lot of this for a while. Just because they didn’t announce Hero Fest doesn’t mean it won’t happen on Golden Week. With my favorite Thracia character, Finn, free, I’ll just keep saving for now.
Rein just got buffed so hard though. Old Rein is now a 3 star, meaning merges are even easier to obtain. And give his new form DC, keep Vantage, and some attack buffs, and his only check will be ORKO’s or Hardy Bearing. That is disgusting, he doesn’t even need a Brave form now.
Dissapointed that Rein and Olwen are int his banner, but oh well.
Leif is quite monstrous with his Light Brand, base 38+4 spd, 33+4 defense and S Drink. While we didn’t get Blaggi Sword, Light Brand would be very good against tanky units, especially armor units like Zelgius. Now some might think S Drink should be replaced with another skill, but don’t. You get a free QP effect. That means you can run double QP. Heck, you could make a Wo Dao build with that.
Nanna is definetely the most underwhelming one sadly. Though I’ll still try get her.
Olwen is much better than her previous version
Reinhardt is good, but I want Leif, not him
I might be able to reach 540 orbs when the story maps are completed.
Kind of reminds me of the really early days of the fandom pre-Awakening when there were frequent arguments on how the Jugdral character names should be translated. I personally actually prefer the sound of “leaf” even if it’s not wholly accurate, since I’ve known him for most of my life as Leaf from fan translations and such.
If this kind of darkhorse victory had occurred a year ago when the failings of the scoring system wasn’t as well known yet, I’m positively sure the fandom would’ve erupted.
Though I supported Lucina in the end, I’m actually relieved that Kagero won since it’s a refreshing change of pace for once. I would’ve still preferred meme man to win though.
Lucina wasn’t necessarily favoured per se, as her popularity has actually grown to the point of backlash in recent years, but most people saw Kagero’s defeat as an inevitability since a regular and not particularly popular character was going up against one of the most popular characters in the franchise.
Even though the points multiplier can skew victory either way unpredictably, previous VG victors have almost always been the most popular character of the lot with the only previous instance of a darkhorse victory being Shanna during Short Haired Ladies vs Long Haired Gents, who miraculously defeated Takumi.
Nanna is very similar to Priscilla (Nanna has less Atk and Res, but better Spd and Def), but the “Delicate Princess” is a 3*-4* unit now, so Priscilla is easier to make +10 merge, in both 4* and 5* rarities.
Ouch, 90 orbs and no Grima. I didn’t want anyone on Thracia, and he has some awesome SI material if I pull a bad one. Guess I’ll wait a few more days and try my luck again
Good luck! I’ve been considering it, and I think 90 orbs is as far as I’ll go for fodder. Gotta save for Hero Fest! Sorry this banner has such a short time window, but maybe you’ll get a few in that time!
Camus – Dejá vu? Zeke confirmed! I hope, I can finally summon my first Jeorge since launch of the game.
Next CYL3 I will vote for Micaiah again and Reinhardt just to prepare for Reinhardt-Emblem <3
Looks like a really good update for me~
I think I’m the most satisfied with the changes to the summoning pool and the Tempest Trials. I have been wanting changes like this for ages and I’m so happy that they are finally here!
Welp, that’s not DC, but since I’ve got a Hector to sack I guess Quick Riposte+ is an acceptable effect. Nice job not screwing up with the Binding Blade, Heroes.
Bowbreaker has stated Colorless Bows for quite a while now, if not from the start of the game, and I’ve been curious as to when colored Bows was going to happen. I don’t recall if Daggerbreaker makes the same distinction, though, and we don’t have a Staffbreaker yet so obviously that’s not specific.
In your opinion, which is better for Roy to have, +Spd or +Atk? Obviously both are great boons, but I was thinking +Atk because of QR. One build I was thinking of is sticking Warding Breath on him and Close Def SS to give him 42Res on Enemy phase and make him the ultimate Dragon Slayer.
I’ve actually been wondering this for a while, since I have a +ATK -DEF and a +SPD -RES and am unsure which to make my ultimate +10 Roy assuming I don’t pull a better one. My current Roy is the +ATK -DEF one, mostly because I’m running a mixed-Phase build using Darting Blow and Delthea S-Support + Dark Aura buffs for Player Phase stuff (since I was waiting for the BB upgrade to see if I needed to use my Hector for DC or not), and Binding Blade and Vantage for Enemy Phase stuff. I guess it depends on what you’re making him do – that Enemy Phase Dragonkiller Build you’ve got sounds like it would like +SPD since it should mostly be fighting Dragons, meaning you don’t need the extra ATK against anyone not named Nowi, and in that case you’re probably screwed anyways because chances are she’s running TA. On the other hand, as you mentioned it’s more an Enemy Phase Build, meaning +SPD will only come in handy if you’re attacked below 50%, in which case you’re probably a goner and it won’t matter what your Boon is. Probably go +ATK, I’d recommend asking the Forums just in case.
As an aside, I checked and Daggerbreaker does specify Colorless, though I’m not sure how long it’s said that for. Yay?
Unbelievable, Surtr killed Gunnthra in the story mode! Which means…which means…Gunnthra will never be a free unit after all… Oh, screw you, I.S., SCREW YOU TO HELL!!! …This is the last time I’m ever gonna try to summon another Legendary Hero again!
I was also hopeful as my green summoning luck is almost as good as Arthurs – in a year of summoning I have only summoned the green I wanted 3 times, all with dodgy ivs. The last one I summoned on the bunny banner was Merric.
You really need to stop throwing temper tantrums whenever something doesn’t go your way. You act as if IS was entitled to give her out to players; wasn’t it enough that Fjorm and V!Ike were free for everyone? That’s already two welfare LHs.
I’ve waited desperately to get Gunnthra as a free unit, but stupid Intelligent Systems is like “Nah, let’s kill her off”. What they just did was a big insult to the players who don’t have Gunnthra such as myself! They made a dick move to kill her off, a DICK MOVE, I tell you! I hate them more than ever now!
You mean you made an assumption that she would be a free unit. They would’ve made her free when she first got out. IS isn’t stupid in this situation. You’re just angry because your expectations weren’t met and are making a huge fuss over such a small thing
Yes they are stupid, they’re stupid enough to kill off a character that I never summoned! Now you’re just saying that to make me feel bad? How selfish of you, you ungrateful troll. And I hate it when you and your fellow selfish trolls summoned Gunnthra before I did, very selfish of you! For shame, troll, for shame!
I don’t get this reaction, for starters Gunnthra isn’t even that good, she’s no Ayra. Secondly, if you actually wanted Gunnthra, you would have pulled for her. Finally, if you really want Gunnthra, she’ll show up again if a future Legendary banner, so now that you know she’s not free, you can try and pull for her. It’s a gatcha game, the developers care more about your money than they do you, be grateful for the free handouts they’ve given so far, it’s far better than other gatcha games on the market.
I was trying to pull for Gunnthra, but these selfish bastards kept trolling me with the weak 3-Star Heroes and pity breakers of the Heroes that I already summoned, the same way you and your fellow noobs kept trolling me when you have all summoned her and I didn’t! Well, you know what?! Fuck it! (Yes, I said “fuck”, I don’t need to censor that profanity anymore, especially when these developers went too far killing her off!) These Legendary Hero Banners are not worth it! They just won’t let me summon Gunnthra, period! And joke’s on you, I don’t have any money to give to these selfish bastards!
Fuck the developers, FUCK this Summoning mechanism, and FUCK…THIS…GATCHA GAME!!
Everyone gets screwed by the rng, I spent over 200 orbs for one of the bunny characters only to get screwed by a -atk Jeorge pity break, I didn’t even get graced by a pity break for the Branded King banner. I wanted S!Corrin in the last Legendary Banner, but got screwed by a -atk Shiro. Hell, I wanted S!Elise in the most recent Legendary Banner and got 2 -atk Gunnthras instead. I repeat, everyone gets screwed by the rng in this game, make the most of what you get.
If you have an issue with it, take it up with IS in the feedback section (civil language is recommended).
Yeah. It is normal, not getting the unit you want. I tried to get Celica since her original banner, and I finally got her in the Fallen Units Voting Gauntlet. If we want some unit, we need to search for him/her. We need to try and try again.
I agree with you, Kneekicker.
O.H. X-1990, I think more than 50% of your comments about FEH are agressives. You need to understand that we will never have all we want. There is no need to get angry about a game.
If you want something, you need to search for it and not wait for someone gives it freely in yours hands. If you want Gunnthrá and are saying you will never summon in a Legendary Banner again, you will not have her. Of course, there are possibilities about Gunnthrá become a free unit someday, or she appearing in a different banner like a Legendary Heroes Voting Gauntlet (which I hope it to happen once we have 8 Legendary Heroes).
This is why you don’t just assume you’re gonna get stuff for free like this, especially when there’s no real precedence for it. You’re just setting yourself up for disappointment.
I hope all players who wanted a free Gunnthrá have a Aum Staff, because you will need it!
Also, It’s a nice thing the GHB Elite Quest 2 are using Blessed Units and in Lunatic and not Infernal. I forgot how difficult Legion’s GHB was! I dont’ know if I will be able to win on Infernal mode.
Speaking about the banner: using 60 orbs, I got a Leif and a Owain, but both -Atk. I am planning to use some orbs to expand the barracks to have more units. I can have 350 units, so I will expend it to 400.
I am also thinking to give the Spring banner another chance…
I never even beat Legion’s Infernal before, but this time breezed through it with my water blessing team on the first try. Only shows how long ago that was.
Well, seems I’m back to not being able to get any of the focus units with me getting a Grey after a few summons…would’ve preferred a Swordhardt, but oh well, I wasn’t that interested in this banner to begin with, so I’ll just call it quits and save up for the next.
After 100 Orbs I got Nanna and a Cavalier with a Sword~ It is Chrom. I will miss you my pity breaker Sheena, you are already 5*+4 only from my summons so can´t wait to build a +10 when I get some good IV from you~
With her now being 3*, I hope I’ll be lucky enough to get some more copies of her. She is my most used unit and the only one I’ve given summoner support to, but she’s still only at +6. Really disappointing.
I am think what type of Lance I will give to Finn… I am between Slaying Lance and Casa Blanca. In both cases, the Spd Refinement will be the choice.
Finn can be compared to Clive, another TT Reward who is a Lance user too. Finn has less HP and RES, but have more ATK and way more SPD. The DEF is the same for both units.
Honestly, I was planning on going for Olwen but I got about four green orbs in total, so it wasn’t gonna happen. Ended up with a neutral Leaf and a Rein I didn’t want.
They really screwed the pooch with this chapter, I didn’t really care from the perspective of not getting her as a F2P unit. Don’t get me wrong I’d have loved for her to be so, but I was prepared for the worse. Killing off Gunnthra came across as a desperate act, for what reason? Who knows, maybe they needed a reason for her not to become a free unit as it would only be logical for her to join your forces if she stayed alive (this seems to be the most likely scenario).
Or maybe they just wanted to try and have an emotional moment where they kill off an important character…the problem though is that we, the audience, have no emotional connection to Gunnthra’s character as her role and development in the story thus far has been little to none and so there is no reason for us to feel sad. It’s like when they killed off a certain someone midway through Revelations. We’re not sad, we’re just confused and pissed off that you thought such a cheap shot would work on us.
I want them to commit to this bad choice of theirs, I know a lot of people are salty about what happened and will likely bitch to IS for a change…I don’t want this, Salvage what you can IS and make a better story.
You should probably be more careful in case someone somehow hasn’t gotten that far and doesn’t want spoilers.
Anyways, I saw the event in question and my first thought was ‘welp, they’re gonna kill off one of the Muspell girls now to be the reason the other one joins you or some crap like that. My money says their older one dies too.’ so now my cynicism needs looking at because I’d like to not be a big old raincloud.
I’m also mostly trying to figure out what Gunnthra even accomplishes in the story, considering Fjorm, you know…actually DID something and is experiencing real character growth since she’s going to need to learn to not let her anger get the better of her the next time the group fights Surtr, seeing as how she let the prisoner escape due to her loss of focus. Gunnthra, meanwhile…told you about Sacred Seal Forging? I think that one was her and not the Weapon Refinery, but I might have them switched around, but the point is that she doesn’t do anything worth squat, not even now since we don’t know the get-out-of-Muspellflame-free card she gave us will actually work. Actually, wait, scratch that, the get-out-of-Muspellflame-free card she DIDN’T give us, all she gave us after the wild goose chase through enemy lines and capturing the enemy general and all that stuff was something that supposedly will lead us on another chase to find the ACTUAL get-out-of-Muspellflame-free card so that hopefully Surtr doesn’t just beat us to that too, as opposed to, you know, just having Gunnthra meet us at the actual place we need to be.
Also whoever they killed off mid-Rev was lost on me, I literally can’t remember that at all. I was more bugged by the whole person-who-was-obviously-possessed-but-Corrin-trusts-anyways-because-I-have-no-idea-but-the-red-door-is-a-lie thing.
I liked your ideas for the next events.
I think is kinda confirmed to have a Alt. unit in each banner now. This is happening since the Radiant Dawn banner.
The first think that came in my mind about the “Heroes with Combat Boosts” was skills like Earth or Fire Boost. So, we could have Amelia (Earth), Luke (Fire) and Grey (Wind).
I agree with you about the Countering Weapon Skills banner being the weapons breaker skills. The only problem with this banner is we can get all breaker skills from 4-stars units.
I don’t think that great the TT reward this time. Drive Atk is the best one, of course.
I don’t know who can be the next Legendary Hero. It is too hard to guess. But, yeah… can be a colored archer.
The next GHB will be Saias, of course. The next one will be a unit related to the next main banner. I would like the main banner be a 2nd gen Genealogy.
Other interesting thing is about the “Three Heroes Quest”. With the last update, we have really good 3-star units now. I hope Marth or Roy can be one of them, for my merges.
Finally, about the Special Orbs Promos… I hope they can have 5-stars units too, like the Black Knight some months ago. This is the only way I can see some Tempest Trial reward to return, because with the Tempest Trial+ I believe we will not have a TT Mini again.
I meant alt one as in like fallen heroes
I think that they’ll add the TT reward characters into the summoning pool at some point along with the GHB ones
I don’t know if the GHB units will be added to the summoning pool, at least not this year. All 2017’s GHB as in the special maps rotation right now. Only the 2018’s GHB will have revivals now. Maybe next year the 2017’s GHB will be added to the pool, while the 2018’s GHB will be added to the weekly rotation.
I just want female Robin added to the summoning pool. She needs merging and variation, bad, lol. I have plans to pimp out my version but there’s only so good I can make her.
I would like to have Ursula in the pool. She is the only way to get the Blárwolf tome. We can get Rauðrwolf from Raigh, and we don’t have Gronnwolf in the pool, but we can get Keen Gronnwolf from Rhajat.
The pattern for legendary heroes so far has had a unit released in order to match the main story chapters, and their respective cover character, released:
Chapter 1 had Surtr (OC): Fjorm
Chapter 2 had Fjorm (OC): Gunnthra
Chapter 3 had Micaiah: Ike
Chapter 4 had Eirika: Ephraim
Chapter 5 had Grima: Grimum
Because of this the next legendary hero will correspond with Chapter 6 or The Branded King banner. As this banner primarily focused on the child units (Both Morgans and Gerome as a TT reward) odds are we’ll get a child unit. The only units that canonically would fit under the green category are: Gerome (Axe, Used too recently) and Noire (Bow, great introduction to Colored Bows).
Therefore the next legendary hero will be Noire with a Green Bow.
I don’t see a unit who is not in the game as a Legendary Hero, only with he/she will be a OC.
I can see Noire as a special unit, but not a Legendary one. She is not that special to receive such treatment…
I believe Legendary Heroes are units important for their games. For exemple: I can see Marth or Caeda being a LH, but not Abel or Gordin. I can see Corrin, Azura or any other Hoshido/Nohr royal member being a LH, but not units like Felicia or Jakob.
Also, if we go with your logic, we will have 2 LH from Awakening, one after the other. This is not a good thing.
GC seems more like Romance of the Three Kingdoms than Fire Emblem, though that’s not a bad thing since it’s a pretty fun mode. I’m not certain on the most efficient way to spend stamina though, so hopefully someone comes along to clear it up.
So far, I’ve been focussing efforts on contested areas where my team seems to have a good chance of taking/holding the space without being so one-sided to the point where it’s redundant (we’re gonna win this one anyway) or pointless (We’re being hopelessly overwhelmed, or the deficit is so great that the necessary investment isn’t worth it.).
Basically, take Ephraim’s advice, don’t fight battles you know you can’t win. As for the multiplier, I don’t think there’s any efficiency involved in it, it just speeds up contributing to a space. Best done when you’re convinced you can score well in the area where you wanna help out, or maybe if you wanna try for a last-minute turnaround in a round, hopefully leaving the opposing side no time to counteract your contribution.
First: I am surprised how good I went in the Berkut’s GHB quests. I managed to complete all 5 quest and win Infernal Mode, thanks to my units and my knowledge in the game, which is getting better with more I play.
Now, about this new mode “Grand Conquest”… this is not that fun! I am only playing it for the orbs. I have more fun with the Tap Battle!
Wait, I didn’t get to choose which team should I join! I’m already at Alfonse’s team, randomly, which is not what I wanted! Why didn’t this game let me choose?!
If people could choose, then Sharena would have the most people, followed by some with Anna, and then few with Alfonse. They are likely evenly distributing us to make it fair. It makes sense, it’s not like the team leader even matters here.
Surprisingly, I’m rather enjoying this, even though I’m usually not fond of Rival Domains (and terrible at it XD).
But I just took a look at the rounds and 22 I feel is going to end up much, much too long.
Are there many different concurrent Outrealm battlefields? The number of “troops” seems much too low for the whole playerbase to be in this together. The number next to the Outrealm seems to suggest that too (103).
On my field currently Alfonse’s army is doing really well, 18 areas controlled.
Yeah, my Sharena is on the verge of elimination, and with her, me). It’s pretty fun, even if I can’t for the life of me figure out any consistent strategy. I can sometimes claim the camps, but I haven’t touched the fortress once yet
It is pretty fun. I’m not sure about strategies with this, but I’m able to take the fortresses relatively consistently on infernal. It usually boils down to, like everything else in this game for me, slowly pushing up Sheema while I let L’Arachel and Tana, and in this case also Ninian, take care of any reds that might hurt her. It’s almost too simple, but as long as it works I don’t care lol.
I found that the HQs can’t be attacked so it swings around one way and a few hours later another, no team gets taken out of the game completely.
Same for me btw, I think since we started I’ve attacked a fortress once, but never claimed one. Punishment for prefering player phase units and builds I guess XD
My Outrealm is 1156. It’s clear that there’s many of these different “rooms”, and there’s really only a small number of players in each of them. Dunno how many, exactly, though. While it makes the battles smaller scale, it does also make each player’s contributions feel more significant, which – in contrast – is absolutely not the case with the Voting Gauntlet, where the individual’s efforts feel almost meaningless to the overall goal. Currently, in my battle, I’m on team Anna, and our team was getting destroyed for a while, but now it’s Alfonse that’s getting demolished and Sharena is rocking with a whopping 16 spaces.
Yeah, I like the small groups, although it’s also very noticeable when people are asleep XD I wonder how they sort users into these groups?
I’m on team Alfonse, like I said we were doing really well, but now we’re doing really poorly. I think it’ll probably swing around a few times and whoever’s currently doing well at the end will get more rewards *shrugs* oh well, it’s fun.
And the tier awards aren’t too bad, not great but I’ll take free orbs any day.
I’m 99% sure I know what the solution at the end of it all is. 7 and 4 are just confusing as to what they are trying to convey, though I used process of elimination to figure out 7…4 is still a no go. Everything else was very easy to figure out.
Beautiful~ If the solution has something to do with future announcements? Either
way was it fun to puzzle and searching through this Forest of
Information while listening to the music, which given from the link for the 7
Across hint~
Oh yeah, I made up the English solution. It was impossible to use the original one. I don’t think the original solution was a hint, but just a fun reference.
I think it’s Aqua no Ura or “Azura’s Fortune”. It may not correct, but it makes the most sense to me. Or perhaps it’s Aqua no Rau (but I can’t think of what this could be).
I’m going to be honest, I copied this on to a Word document to do the puzzle, and right when I discovered what the hidden word was, I immediately crumpled the paper and tossed it out. 😀
Sorry, I should have made it clear. I made up the secret word for the English crossword. I think the Japanese one is just a fun reference, not a hint of anything.
Saias looks to be a good unit. He is very similar to Arvis, but having the Spd Ploy instead of Def Ploy, which is better for him. But Arvis has a exclusive B-Skill, the Recovery Ring, which makes him very unique.
36 HP, 33 ATK, 30 SPD, 18 DEF, 34 RES are good stats. The problem is the blue tome competition.
Now, about Camus (Camoo) GHB, I forgot how easy it was!
The only thing I struggled with for 2 tries was getting Nino’s res high enough to tank the Glacies. Ike did pretty much everything else with Brave Lucina support. I’m not sure if I’m a fan of the fact that a special charge is the true difficulty here, but at least the tight spaces could trap some players. And 4,000 free feathers is never a bad thing.
This GHB wasn’t that difficult, perfect for a 5* F!Takumi if you’ve got one. It’s kind of a shame that GHB lately have been giving us mediocre units, as Saias joins the rank of underwhelming GHB rewards like the previous 3 (Oliver, Lyon, F!Takumi). He makes for a solid debuffer unit, however he lacks the offensive capabilities of other better mages; but unlike Arvis, he doesn’t have that Recover Ring to give him another niche that he can excel at.
Got an Olwen on my free summon. She was my first 5* on my previous account when I played the game for a day early Summer. She was supposedly the best bladetome mage for a while up until powercreep reared it’s ugly fangs so I guess that’s a plus
I would like to have a Blue Olwen, but I don’t plan to spend orbs on this banner. I want to wait until the next main banner or Legendary Banner. At least I have a Green Olwen, but she is -Atk.
Thanks! Now I know I will have luck!
Last time someone wished me luck was on the F!Grima’s Legendary Banner and I manage to get 8 5* Heroes. Now I am confident. I wish you luck in your summonings too.
Vantage, DC, or CC would all be fine by me, but no dice this time around. Maybe they’re waiting for a CYL2 TT where they drop Epic Seals in addition to the probably-broken CYL Units themselves?
DC and CC will probably never get seals since they are what whales constantly spend hard cash on. IS would be losing potential profit with them released as seals. As for why Heavy Blade is a seal, I think that IS realized it just wasn’t that useful in the A-slot
Glad they got rid of the whole 20%/40% bonus difference…as for the last 2 trials, I got screwed with the rng so didn’t have the 40% focus and I didn’t get any of the focus units with this banner so I would’ve been stuck grinding things out with a 20% bonus. Drive Atk will be nice, though I’m waiting for IS to cave and give us the next meta breaking seal like they did with QR.
I hope they finally add speed ploy next month. I want to build a speedy blarserpent L’arachel, but I wanna run a double spur as her C slot skill. I came up with a good mixed phase build that works wonders. I just love mixed phase units. You can always depend on them
Couple things here:
First, you typo’d, Kirie – you say Set 11’s release a couple weeks back, not 12.
Second, I thought Horace was remake-only, is he in Mystery of the Emblem? If not, he would be the second and Norne would be the third.
Third, I’m calling that second Marth art as the X card in the set, since it looks like a Key Art similar to Lehran’s Medallion from the last one.
Fourth, YES ANOTHER CHANCE FOR MORE GORGEOUS WHITEWING CARDS COME TO ME MY LOVELIES ahem I mean uh look at the time gotta go!
I am sure B!Lyn is for the Heroes part, now we need Reinhardt within this set with Veronica then you have everything to know about Heroes. :p
Jokes aside, I hope they make those Duo-Cards again but with Nino and Jaffar or any other Black Fang member like last time.
Out of the GC, I’ve gotten about 8100 feathers from area rewards, I think. Which, in context, is not that great. My team took third, third and second respectively, at 3, 5 and 9 areas held by the end. That’s a bit saddening… Still, I like the mode and I sure as hell prefer it over Voting Gauntlet, but it’s clear the mode needs a lot of work to really be good. But that’s why I’ve sent a couple feedback forms IS’s way, hope it helps.
Seriously guys, if you have issues with the mode and want it to get better, please send that feedback. (In the app, go to the Misc. tab > FAQ/Etc. > Customer Support > Feedback and select “Modes within Battle Menu” as the topic, then write out whatever you have to say.)
My first round was with Anna and held 2 Areas at the end (the Base and 1 other field) while Alfonse destroyed us with something 20+ areas, so I was disappointed. Second round I got on Sharenas team and oh boy this was very similar like last round, but now I know how to use this multiplier, so I waited with the time going down like 10 minutes left for this hour then started a battle on Hard with 8x bonus, got my S-rank on every task and got 7360 points and followed up with another battle with the same settings (8x bonus). So we could win at least one Area for this round as long it was under 10000 points because they tried of course to defend this. But for me it was like a Wings of Mercy Reinhardt was back stabbing THE ENEMY! At the same time my GC-Rank risen up to 20 in no time.
I went from Alfonse to Sharena to Anna. Alfonse and Anna actually did pretty fantastic and netted me some nice rewards with the total areas they held, but Sharena just kept getting wrecked in the 2nd battle.
Gotta love all those refreshed Brave Lyns flying around the whole map murdering anyone who even thought about going near a red base. Though it was pretty unfair on the highest difficulty, GC is actually my 2nd favourite mode in all of Heroes due to how fun it was. If its rewards were as nice as TT’s, it’d be the unquestionable winner.
It’s a solid game mode, with some adjustments on how teams are determined to make it a more even matchup, it’d be perfect. Alternatively, they could instead opt for a comeback factor for the loosing teams, and unlike voting gauntlet, it wouldn’t be as broken so long as they don’t go overboard with the losing bonus.
Additionally, they should add more tiers or reset the tiers each round since by the end of round 1 I was tier 18 and I wasn’t even going in hard. The reward tiers could be a bit like TT with some kind of super special reward in there, not necessarily a free unit, but something more substantial than the usual handouts.
Ok, for some random reason, I decided to summon in the Thracia banner again… and for my surprise I got a +Atk -Def Nanna… I am thinking to use her now.
The games with Ike is what I used to say, yes it was confusing in the beginning but now we understand either way because of so many information from all these games.
Also: Happy Birthday FE1, FE9, FE15 and Lucina!
I still like to use the numbers, especially for long titles like NMotE, since even the acronym is hard to type out… and also for 6 and 7, since the names are so similar to each other, I always get the two mixed up. I know I shouldn’t, but since I’m so used to FE7 just being Fire Emblem, and FE6 was never released over here… they just confuse me
Still takes longer to type out and doesn’t solve my problem with FE6 and 7. Plus there’s the issue of it Echoes becomes a thing in the future, although I guess you can use SoV instead.
Either way, I’m still happier with the number system overall, but I will also refer to games by their names interchangably (with the exception of FE6 and 7, which I will get wrong. Darn them for not including a subtitle in the Western release xD )
The only game I call by number rather than name is FE1, simply because that’s the only way I can mentally tell the difference between it and Shadow Dragon.
My brain works rather bizarrely: it considers dark and shadow to be so synonymous to the point of being identical when they’re used as adjectives, and simply calling the game Sword/Blade of Light just draws unneeded similarities to the names of the Elibe games, plus hardly anyone I know actually refers to the game that way.
I can tell the difference when someone else is referring to it, but when I try to type the name I need to momentarily freeze so my mind can process it. I don’t think I’d have this issue if Shadow Dragon’s name wasn’t as simplistic at it is without any monikers like New to help me differentiate it from the original.
Shadow is modifying Dragon, so yes, it is an adjective. “Of dragon” is an adjectival prepositional phrase.
@kneekicker:disqus I personally don’t find myself talking about it a lot, but it is a really unweildy name, so I can’t say I blame people for ever using 1.
F!Robin is great for this TT. There are 3 cavalry units in the final stage. Plus color advantage against Reinhardt. He deals about 20 damage to her with 2 hits so she should be able to tank him
I am planning to use my Horse Emblem Team on this TT+, which are Legendary Ephraim, Brave Roy, Green Olwen and Nanna. The last one I summoned yesterday.
Me too. The funny thing is that technically the maps are out of order. The final map occurs during FE4 Ch8, but the second to last is the final chapter. Ah well, the Tempest Trials are supposed to throw the universe out of order and all that fun stuff.
Already upgraded my S-Seal Fortress Def and put it on Sheena, which A-skill is Fortress Def 3 and her refined Weapon is Def+.
And Finn will be so good for F2P GHB Horse only Quest!
Probably because Thracia and Genealogy are connected. Though the timelines for the maps are out of order, but TT is chaotic so I guess time is irrelevant there.
Meh, I’ll just keep using the same numbering system I’ve always used. Remakes count, spin-offs don’t, and Archanea Saga doesn’t. I’m also not using a lot of the Treehouse’s retcon’d names, so FE6 is still Sword of Seals to me and the titular weapon is still the Sealed Sword rather than “bondage blade” to me. Plus I continue to use the old fan translated names of older characters rather than the new Treehouse names. Will it be confusing for the fanbase, which is about 90% new fans? Sure, but that’s fine. I’ve stopped taking IS and the fan base seriously a long time ago anyway.
Well anyway, nowadays I mostly just use abbreviations or full names (or joke names, like with Farts) if the game name is short enough , so that’s less confusing.
I agree, some of the new translations are atrocious. I still say Blazing Sword rather than Blade, as it just sounds better. Though I’m using Sword of Seals and Binding Blade interchangeably. And I still say Tiltyu and Ira. It’s not really any of my business if people have no idea what I’m talking about, they can stay in their reddit shithole for all I care.
After constant use of the number system it’s become a habit for me. Occasionally I’ll use a shorter form of the titles. Talking to new fans on Tumblr, especially when heroes came out, has always been fun when they didn’t understand which game I was talking about.
Wow, this is actually the best chance the playerbase has ever had at getting Ayra. Still, not interested, I really don’t need another Sword unit when my offensive Myrm slot is waiting on Mareeta or Edward to be released. This is some pretty great bait though, my goodness.
Last Hero Fest, it was Ike less than a week beforehand. Now it’s Ayra. I bet the majority of the playerbase will struggle with this one. Though we should hear about the new heroes later this evening, so I bet at least some people can wait a day.
The chance isn’t any better though. Color sharing doesn’t influence you chance to get a specific character it just makes it more likely to get any focus hero from the shared color.
My understanding, and I’m not sure anyone knows how the odds work, is that there is a 3% of getting a focus hero from any color that has a focus unit. Then, once a focus is rolled, you have an equal chance at any of them. Otherwise, the percentages couldn’t be fixed.
NEW BANNER WITH FLYING ARCHER HINOKA, GREEN DRAGON FEMALE KANA AND BLUE LANCE SHIGURE!
ALSO, KAZE AND MALE KANA APPEARED IN THE TRAILER TOO.
WITH THE NEW BANNER BEING “FATES UNITS”, I BELIEVE TAKUMI WILL BE A LEGENDARY HERO, WITH A COLORED BOW.
That certainly isn’t a bad prediction on the Legendary Hero. It could also be someone like Sety, as a Wind hero, considering this month began as a Thracia 776 focus. Michaiah came before L!Ike, Myrrh before L!Ephraim, E!Chrom before F!Grima. The pattern may hold, but I am interested to see what they do with it. In other news, M!Kana is the next GHB, so what’s up with Kaze? Maybe a future TT reward? Perhaps Golden Week will give us some Kaze for free? It makes me wonder, though Golden Week Celebration lasting so long does point to something interesting potentially coming. I won’t complain if he’s free, Kaze was my favorite Fates unit.
Pass. Most of you already have Grima or Myrrh so why bother with Kana though since she’s a loli so she’ll get boosted BST. Shigure will get demoted. Flying archer Hinoka is an obvious sign they need whales to spend money. They really have been pushing non-seasonal alts ever since the year began. I wonder if their profit has slowly been decreasing. Also, male Kanna is a GHB unit. Kaze seems to be fated to be the next Ayra/Rhajat since no TT until the second half of May
While I agree the alts are annoying outside seasonals, I’m pretty sure these units were drawn and scheduled quite a while ago. With that being said, IS could not have received any feedback about them at the time, and therefore we will keep seeing these for some time, even if people complain. And while I agree that they are hogging unit slots, we can at least acknowledge that they are still creating other new characters to keep the flow coming, too. I just hope that they limit it to 1 alt every now and then, so we don’t have another Rein + Olwen situation from last banner. This is the second time a unit lost their niche to an alt, though (Eirika stole the Dark Sacred Twin, and now Hinoka stole Reina’s one saving grace, being her class.)
To be fair, Reina might as well be nonexistent since she’s a Corrin-sexual with bad bases, bad growths, no story relevance, and hardly any character at all. IIRC, she consistently ranked pretty low on Fates popularity polls alongside the likes of Yukimura. Since Hinoka (and practically everyone else) really can become a KK, she’s a vastly better fit for the role in Heroes.
I agree that Horse Eirika was ridiculous though. Even if Knoll was a late-game unit, he was actually reasonably developed as a character and relatively popular thanks to his niche in SS. One can only hope he eventually makes it into the game anyways with a buffed up variant of his tome that Eirika can’t get.
If Kaze is part of the stuff from the road map, then he’ll most likely be related to the Golden Week Celebration. Otherwise, maybe they’ll throw him into the next Legendary Heroes banner. I really don’t think Kaze will be the next Ayra/Rhajat since those were both related to events (TT/Voting). Who knows? Maybe he’ll be a Tap Battle reward.
Clive was added along with the rest of the SoV’s second batch, but not made available until a by that time not announced tempest. Kaze can follow Clive’s lead and become a reward for the late May tempest following the next Fates banner.
People might want Kana for Goad Dragons I guess (I don’t actually know what batch of dragon buffs one would ideally run), but I can’t imagine she’ll surpass Myrrh or even Grima in terms of usefulness, and I don’t think people typically run multiple green dragons anyway. Shigure seems underwhelming in a crowded unit type, so it’s clear Hinoka is the draw. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of buffed quad and firesweep builds.
Nice that we’ll get a free dragon and free ninja though.
Now I can make my full Valla Family team M Corrin, Azura, F Kana, Shigure thank you IS!!!!! plus F Kana can now go with any pair I did some of the girls are still not in Heroes yet but their slowly getting there!
In actually surprised that Kana is green
We actually need more colorless and red dragons (1 and 2 currently).
The other 2 look good… but
Doesn’t something seem… OFF about new hinoka? Like her skills and weapon? And how some characters were introduced to counter horse emblem, which caused armor emblem (that and armor units became stronger) to become meta instead of horse emblem… and now flyers are anti armor and will likely soon be meta
Is this only unexpected because they didn’t add it in an update that was datamined first? I’m more surprised it took them this long to change that. We did know new characters were coming. I would’ve preferred an Awakening children banner over a Fates one, but I guess we just got Morgan/Gerome. This is an equivalent Fates banner, I suppose. Would love to get Awakening versions of Owain, Severa and Inigo.
Hinoka is brave Lyn with more BST. Though Lyn is better because of Sacae’s Blessing. Hinoka’s physical bulk is rather poor and her atk isn’t as high as I’d expected from a anti-armor unit
Shigure is rocking a decent atk of 33 and an amazing base spd of 37
Female Kana is basically female Corrin with more atk
You know something is up when more people are talking about Kaze than any of the banner units. I didn’t know he was that popular.
Kaze is a very special character for me. He is a good, calm and kind person. I really like his supports conversations, especially with Sakura.
One Kaze’s moment which is in my memory is Birthright’s Chapter 15. I didn’t have a A-Rank support with Kaze and, well… if you played Birthright, you know what happens if Corrin don’t have a A Support with Kaze in that Chapter. I was feelling very guilty for what happened. He is one of my favorite characters in Fates, so having Kaze in Heroes make me happy. I hope he is a free unit.
I continued to play the game normally, because I thought “Kaze’s event” was part of the story. When I played Conquest, I got surprised the same event didn’t happen. Then, I search about him and learned what trigger the event in Birthright. But when I played Birthright again, I did the right thing.
Midori is my best Unit in Fates and some good money maker too!
Can´t wait to pull for her, regardless of her popularity.
With some good Luck from Midori, she could be a Green Bow user.
I can’t wait till we’re finally done with that guy, to be honest. He makes for a good antagonist, yeah, but I’m easily bored by “BWAHAHAHAHA LOOK HOW STRONG AND MEAN I AM AS I KILL PEOPLE, I AM SO EVIL” villains.
I also fear for Fjorm. The moment a character coughs, the next thing you know they’re collapsed in a dying heap and everyone’s crying. D:
I got a +Spd -HP Hinoka with 9 orbs! Yay! Luck smiles apon me this day! I am thinking to give her Swift Sparrow instead of Atk/Spd Bond. She will works better in the player phase. With Hinoka in my army, I will keep my orbs for the Legendary Banner.
M!Kana is amazing! With the datamine info is right, he has really good stats and skills. Water Breath and Blazen Def/Res are really good stats together.
Kaze is also really good. A Killing Dagger, Atk Smoke and, with 34 Res, he is a good Def Ploy user.
Weird experience. I was pulling for Kinshi Hinoka and ended up getting both Shigure and Kana in rounds that didn’t have a colorless summon (also Brave Lucina). Now I’m out of orbs.
I really want Veronica with a Xander alternative Outfit, all these sudden appearence of him with Veronica, even that one Manga Panel (#4) feels already like family~ Could Nifl (the Ice dragon) be later a Legendary Hero on a Legendary Banner? Possible! but we will see.
That could possibly be her Brave variant we’ll be getting. Her relationship with Xander is definitely interesting since he chooses to fight for her in the story. I feel like we’re getting close to a free story mode reward of standard Veronica. Maybe she’ll be the next Legendary Hero.
Not sure on Nifl depends how long book II is for them to be relevent unless they are just only a mention of Nifl royal line in the temple since Surtrs description mention a legendary fire dragon in his royal bloodline plus we have so many dragon units already as well so probably not?
Veronica’s colour scheme and general design already matches well with Xander’s, as is best seen in that very panel you mentioned. I have an acquaintance introduced to the franchise through Heroes who actually mistook Veronica for Xander’s younger relative; to this day, he still thinks Veronica looks more like Xander’s child than Siegbert does.
Even if we don’t actually get the original Veronica, an alt would still be pretty likely given her popularity in CYL2.
Hey Kirie: “Spend some Orbs on the Wings of Fate Summoning Focus for your chance at Kinshi Knight Hinoka, Shigure, and Male Kana. “
The Kana in the banner is female.
I’m so happy that IS put in more Hoshidan units, even if some of them are just repeats with new outfits and skill sets. I am really hoping to get Female Kana. She is just too cute!
Story was very much a set-up sort of thing this week. Guess we’ll wait until May to see where it leads. I definitely feel Veronica slowly coming closer to playability.
As per the usual, you can also complete the third and fourth quests outside of the BHB, such as by beating a Takumi or Hinoka in Arena or Story Mode, or the Training Tower Tenth Stratum.
There’s probably no need for that though; Fjorm can withstand Takumi and the blue cav all by herself and single-handedly kill the former. The only units you really need to finish Lunatic is Fjorm and any dancer, so it’s easy to slip Anna into the team and kill Hinoka when given the chance. All five quests are easy to complete since everyone has Fjorm and Olivia is easily obtainable through the rotation battles.
It’d actually be more tedious to seek out Hinoka and Takumi at level 40 elsewhere.
I wasted about a dozen potions trying to clear Infernal last time, so I’m really pleased that I managed to complete it this time around with the help of Kinshi Hinoka.
Easy free orbs are always welcome. But I would like if we get a reward for reaching Floor 100. Could be some feathers or Refining Stones, but no hot spring again…
Don’t other tapping games usually give you the option to tap through a whole song? I mean, I’m glad that’s not the default, but I can only listen to the first 15 seconds or so of a song for so long, especially for something like Twilight of the Gods, which has a rather long intro itself. Wind Across the Plains is just preference; I just prefer the later part of the song.
That’s what I figured, but even hard mode barely gets me into the songs. The last one had Twilight cut off abruptly, and at least through 40 floors, we haven’t hit the flourish in Wind Across the Plains either. Too bad, I guess.
You can listen to the full song by touching the music-note icon before going into a stage. But then, you can’t actually play tap battles at the same time as that, unfortunately.
Would be cool if Tap Battle has a endless mode, where you play it with only 1 (or 3) heart(s) until you fail, and have some quests like “get a 50 combo in endless mode”.
That kind of quest would only be appreciated if IS fixes the combo system, since it’s extremely picky on what does and doesn’t break combos. TB’s combo system is downright awful in comparison to genuine mobile rhythm games like School Idol Festival and Bandori.
*sighs* Thank you FE Heroes, you officially made me feel one of my favorite FE 7 lords as “overrated”. Good god she did NOT need another alt. This could have gone to anyone else but her. Of course morons go “Thighs sell, IS wants to make money off of her.” Well……its not like Lyn isn’t the only female character with assets. Literally anyone else could have gotten it. What makes this worse….Brave Lyn will most likely get Swift Mulagir as an upgrade….tbh Swift is better than the normal Mulagir most of the time. Since the whole “Negate Bonus” effects are not really used much now as they’re getting steadily replaced by ploys, chill, and smoke skills.
I don’t know if Swift Mulagir will be available to Brave Lyn in the Weapon Refinery because Mulagir is a colorless bow and Swift Mulagir is a
green bow. It would change Brave Lyn color. I will not complain if it happens, but…
If it’s less solo runs and lihn activates it’s unit requirements, it’ll be better because of the spd/atk boost. So I guess it should say it’s better than mulagir if people don’t plan on having Lyn just to go out there and solo maps. It still bust3d though because you honestly could get a bunch of dancers to be around her.
I confess I would prefer a different hero, but I am ok with Lyn (again). Now the Lyn Emblem will be completed. She looks to be a great unit, although I can see Vantage being more useful with Laws of Sacae than Desperation. Refined Marth is the perfect support for Legendary Lyn, because he can give her more +4 Atk/Spd/Def/Res, making Lyn having +8 in all stats in enemy’s phase, and more +5 Atl/Spd because of her weapon. I am sure I will make L’Lyn and Marth have support.
The problem, for me, is… I already have the others 2 green units in the banner. I hope Lady Luck helps me in this banner, like how she helped me with Kinshi Hinoka (I got her in my 3nd summoning orbs, being the 1st the free one). I will also target the Colorless pool, because I don’t have H’Jakob and L’Robin, and having more Gennys is always good. Red is my 3rd priority, because I don’t have Mage Eirika and Fallen Celica, and I can skip blue because I already have L’Ephraim and I got Micaiah as a pity breaker some time ago (although I would like some Sturdy Stance 2 and Distant Def 3). I was hoping to get F!Morgan in this Legendary Banner, because I want the Serpent Tome for my LA!Lyn.
Also, with Spd Tactic, Eirika will be fully boosted! I need to get her with good IVs.
I am so happy Kaze is a free unit, although he losed his IVs because of this update. I don’t like Grand Conquest, but I will play it for him (or at least until I reach Tier 25 to get all the rewards).
Legendary Lyn destroyed the idea of “the legendary heroes is related to the previous/current chapter/banner”. I was expecting Takumi or Sakura, but nope!
I’d love to see a Legendary Camilla, though as much as I love her, it’s more fitting for Xander, Ryoma and Corrin to get their legendary alts before her…then again, Lyn isn’t even that important to the story of FE7 and she got her’s before Eliwood and Hector, so who knows at this point.
I believe the Legendary Heroes are Original Characters, Main characters for their games or characters related to the main characters. OC are Fjorm anr Gunnthrá, Ephraim and Ike are main characters, Robin and Lyn are related to main characters. Robin is only important in the final part of Awakening, making Chrom and Lucina the real main characters. He/she is not important during the Gangrel’s Arc, as Lyn is only important during the tutorial (Lyn’s Story).
FEH Community: Hey IS, can we have a Legendary Marth please? He is the main FE lord after all.
IS: No, but you can have another Lyn.
FEH Community: But this is the 5th god damn one, and less than 3 months after the last one.
IS: Oh don’t worry, we got half a dozen more planned for the rest of 2018.
Hold up. I would complain about Legendary Lyn, but I don’t really care. We can recruit Kaze through quests?? I’m really happy with that.. though I’m not really a fan of Grand Conquests. I’m intrigued.. will he be added to summoning banners after?
Very excited for a free Kaze. I have… mixed feelings about another Lyn, really do wish that someone like Eliwood or Alm got it instead. Ah well, the dislike ratio on the trailer makes it more than clear that people are displeased. IS will likely somewhat learn.
Also, I bet the countering skills banner will now be a recurring thing, with Hector and Takumi as staples while they rotate a DC weapon user (bet Ryoma is next, then Hardin etc.) So I’m saving my orbs for that and whatever comes next month.
Another Bow Lyn?! Goddammit, Intelligent Systems, this is the most reta-wait…! …Okay, Legendary Lyn’s finishing blow is freaking cool. But in any case, not looking forward to this, I refuse to get trolled with those worthless 3-Star Heroes, 8% for these focused 5-Star Heroes is a lie, and the Heroes that I already have are pity breakers, not to mention the fact that they killed off Gunnthrá so she won’t be available, so…SKIPPED!
But, I’m glad that they’re giving us free Orbs for this Golden Week!
I don’t think Flora or Elise are “Legendary” enough. Legendary Heroes only focuses on the main characters of the Fire Emblem series, such as Ike and Ephraim, and main villains such as Female Grima, not minor characters like Flora or Elise. Oh, wait, Elise is a supporting character, but she’s still not “Legendary” enough.
I only mentioned “Special Banner” (similar like NewYears or Bride) and I think it would be boring if those new Weapon-types only appear on Legendary Banners. We dont even have colorless Melee units, which could be Beast units like Laguz or Taguel. Its just some speculation for fun~
Even I am now feeling the alt-fatigue. …I guess I’m sending another feedback form IS’s way…
Another Grand Conquest, though, so soon after the last one. And they’ve already made changes. That’s pretty snappy. Though with it being so snappy, I’m not expecting the mode to suddenly have all issues fixed now. But it should at least be better than before. Looking forward to seeing the improvements in the execution.
I feel it should be mentioned that while the English reveal trailer is only about 3 to 1 in the like to dislike ratio, the Japanese version is much worse, it’s basically 1 to 1. I think IS is going to take this reception to heart and do better about being so repetitive with character alts.
I think the reason is that Japan doesn’t have the same connection to Lyn like the West does since FE7 wasn’t their first game (obvs). So many in the West are fine with Lyn getting another alt cause she’s their first waifu while Japan is just like, “another one? Come one, there are better babes out there.”
Honestly this whole situation is really sad for me. Lyn’s new art is amazing, she can be really helpful gameplay wise and i love her character and her game so much, but the time she got here was awful. It was a matter of time for them to reveal her as a Legendary, but they could wait a litle more, and dont do it so close to the sixth copy of Robin.
It’s ridiculous and sad to see this happen now, and not when we did see 2 copy paste of grima came one after the other one.
It seems that awakening fanbase can shallow only what they want to..
A) Most people see the Robin as two different characters. So in their mind, there is only 2Male 2 Female Robins. Why I write 2 is you will see in B. Even most Fatewakening haters does that.
B) Grima and Robin isn’t the same character. Yes, Robin is the one that is supposed to be Grima, but due to his/her mannerism compared to Robin, they are separate people. It’s sort of like twins. Both might look identical but they are in the core two different persons.
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C) F!Grima is a flying dragon, M!Grima is an armored dragon, with two different playstyles. LLyn is just Brave Lyn without a horse.
I love Lyn as much as the next guy, but outside of Robin (since I’m with you on the hole two grima aspect and all to some degree even as a Robin fan) Lyn was the one I did not want to see given a new alt for a long while. And especially not someone this lazy which is the worst part about it.
I liked your comment. I think the worst exemple of alt. version (at least for me) for a unit in Heroes is Ike. Both normal Ike and Vanguard Ike are Infantry Sword users, with both using the same weapon (Ragnell), and both have similar stats (although, the Legendary one has better stats). Another exemple I have is Hector. But both Hectors have different, weapons.
While I do concede that PoR Ike and Legendary Ike are pretty similar, I am admittedly pretty confused why people like to keep bringing Ike up as an issue for alts when he actually is a Lord in two unique games. Brave Ike already had Urvan, so there really was no other way to design RD Ike without making his stat spread very different from PoR, which I actually think they should have done (Ike was hardly mediocre in Speed in PoR. That was pretty much his most defined stat, a fast Lord that could hit hard even unprompted, like Ephraim.) Yes, he was a blatant copy, but he at least has two games to represent. Same goes for the Black Knight.
On the other hand, Chrom has had 4 copies overall, two being seasonal, and when he wins CYL in the future he will have 5 just like Lyn, maybe 6 if he becomes Legendary. I personally see Robin and Grima as separate, but even so we now have two Robin(M)s, two Robin (F)s, and two Grimas. I think they are fine there, but they need to cool it now on them. Then there is Lyn, a nice Lord that has now been given a Legendary Alt with a weapon she could never use, two seasonal varients, and then CYL gave her another alt, though I can at least appreciate their focus on the character’s fathers for a theme there. Ike and BK may just be slightly improved, but they will never share a summon pool with their alts,they are actually canonical older versions of themselves, and they help represent different games. Unless Binding Blade decides to include Lyn in the future, there is no reason to keep giving one character from one game so much attention. I do feel that Ike’s massive popularity has soured people’s taste for him, but they could at least acknowledge that PoR and Radiant Dawn both exist when making the argument for alts, you know?
I think Ike is a great exemple to how don’t make a alternative version. A Alt. need to be very different from the original. A good exemple is normal Lyn and Brave Lyn. Two units very different. I agree Lyn have more alt. than she deserves. I hope IS decides to make alt. for units who deserve it and for units who don’t have alt already. For exemple: Celica, Ephraim and Hector don’t need a new alternative, because we know we will receive a brave form of them. We don’t need a 5th Chrom or Lucina, or a 4th Camilla, Azura or Takumi. Marth is the one I really want a Alt. Ryoma, Micaiah and Alm are good choices too.
It’s funny how IS loves Awakening, Fates and Blazing Sword to make to much alternatives for their characters, but the main villans of the games are not in Heroes (Grima is a villan, but I am talking about Validar or Gangrel)
I totally agree on your picks like Alm, Marth, Michaiah and Ryoma. Marth and Alm especially, what happened to the Echoes hype from last year? People loved Alm, as shown by CYL. And Marth, man that guy could use a King Alt. Just give him an altered Falchion like Exalt Chrom and he’s set. I also find it odd that Gharnef hasn’t made it in when he was in Warriors. The dude’s a pretty cool villain, even if he isn’t much better than Validar in the evil for power department. They did something right villian-wise by adding Hardin, at least. They need to spread the love, and I think with the video backlash they may just do so.
I think we’ve really started to reach a saturation point with alts. I
love Lyn, and I wasn’t even excited when I saw she had gotten another
alt. She doesn’t even look any different than her Brave Heroes form.
Exactly! When IS keeps releasing alts nearly back to back, it loses its special feel. To me now, when there are new banners I almost half expect it to just be more alts and not actual new characters. I love Lyn as well but was disappointed with her new legendary alt, and with just how many alts we are getting in general lately.
We don’t have a saturation of alts as much as we have a drought of new entries. One would think alts are used to fill out otherwise empty rosters but here we are with dozens, possibly hundreds of unused characters but have to slogg through our 3rd and 4th alts of the same thing.
Yes, far too soon is what we can say, + there is another Legend (CYL) running around strongly in every Arena battle, maybe this could be a factor, too! Or why do I need “another” one, when the first one is already good enough? Whats could happening now would be:
-releasing new Charas who never stepped a feet in this game (Ilyana, Tatiana, Midori, Elena, Emma etc.)
-alternate versions of charas we like (RedTome Darkmage Micaiah, Sword Cavalry + Healer Mist, Enchantress Delthea etc.)
-free obtainable units (similar to Fjorm & Ike)
Anyway, CYL is on the way and we get our 3rd version of: Hector, Celica & Ephraim, almost a 4th Camilla but somehow her alternate releases in game where acceptable.
On a side note, what if when a new Marth could be so strong and change the Mata alone that we say he should never be released in the first place and maybe Int.Sys. is right now doing this?
I strongly agree with the article, especially with poor Marth not having an alt yet. I’m a big fan of Lyn and I don’t mind the 5th version, but I agree variety should come first and special versions should be, well, more special. The reason I’m not mad is because, as said at the end, Intelligent Systems is otherwise doing an amazing job with the game. It was just bad timing on their part.
I would like to see a return to OCs as the Legendary Heroes. Bruno has been MIA since Book 1, and it looks like only a matter of time until Veronica leaves Team Evil.
I agree with the article here, even though I personally find Lyn to be uninteresting and overrated, I don’t bemoan anyone who likes her. My biggest grip was that it hasn’t even been 3 months since her last alt and there are dozens of characters worthy of the “Legendary” title, with Marth in particular having no alt of his own. I’m aware this is a gatcha game, but I’d like for IS to show more tact and not be so obvious in their attempts to squeeze money out of us.
Normally I go for Legendary banners for the Legendary Hero and those I particularly want, but this is the first time I’m going to pass (even if I do want characters like H!Henry and H!Jakob). So aside from sending feedback through customer support, I’m also sending feedback by not buying into this bad practice. They’ll feel the effects more greatly if they make less off of this banner than projected.
which they won’t, you grossly overestimate people not going in on this banner. Youtubers will, most people who comment here and on Reddit will. The majority of people who don’t go on either this or reddit will still pull, simply put most people will not care. I don’t care, actually I do really want this 5th Lyn because I missed the Valentines one and I want to run Lyn Emblem and have a unique bow.
As for alt moaning, while yes I’d like to see more characters two there is alot I also wouldn’t like to see, Ironically enough Knoll and Reina spring to mind, characters nobody really gives a crap about but are now being championed for no discernible reason then to be awkward. Yes we need a Legendary Marth, a good Marth, Kent, Sain, Laguz etc. there are alot I want to see but the moaners are moaning about the wrong damn things.
Anyone’s got any good wind blessing teams? That’s the one that stumps me the most, probably… I’d like to build around Gunnthra, but I don’t really know who to pick.
I recommend first Hone cavalry user to buff her stats and another ploy user to support Gunnthrá´s personal weapon Blizzard. A fast, hard hitting Red unit to help with other kinds of danger.
My reaction was more or less an “Oh well” reaction. Not happy. Not angry. Just eh more or less. Lyn is a character I do genuinely like, but it’s easy to understand the frustration from people thinking this has gone too far, even from people who are fans of Lyn.
IS should take a look at those Nintendo Mobile like/dislike bars and see how much more polarizing this is. You have dozens of main characters to use. Use them.
I am planning to (or try to) summon Lyn, because she looks to be a great unit, but I would prefer to have another character as Legendary Hero. I was predicting Takumi, or even Sakura, to appear as L’ Hero this month, but Lyn was a huge surprise.
They need to just stop with alts. It’s not a particular game problem anymore and it’s now a series-wide issue. We’ve got hundreds of characters. I think we can think of a place for them in these banners.
I plan to pull in this banner, but mostly because most of the 5s are heroes I want and do not have yet. I really like Lyn and happy she is getting more exposure, but honestly, I’m all Lyn’d out, especially after her sheer dominance in this game and Warriors.
And I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that alt of Eirika could have been Knoll. He isn’t popular, but I would like to see every character in Heroes at some point. It’d be really nice.
I know that there are only so many popular characters in general, but I would like to see more alts of other popular characters first before handing even more to ones that already have a bunch. Cool it with Fates Royals and the popular Awakening characters already.
I find myself apathetic toward people complaining about Lyn when nobody seemed to care that we got 6 robins, one of which was a colorless flying dragon for no fucking reason. You, and others, give them a pass because they’re different genders, but I don’t. Not when they all wield the same 3 weapons.
Bit redundant, but I’ll state my opinion regardless. Eirika was a “nice surprise”, in the fact it showed the devs can pull off, what is stated here, as “what if” characters. I haven’t played Sacred Stones thoroughly enough to know it was a somewhat vague reference, until it was pointed out to me. There is nothing wrong with alts, and I even expected them. “Acceptable” alts would be like FE 6 Hector and Karel, just to name two examples. I’m even fine with seasonal to “spice” things up, since they’re pretty spread out. However, “what if” or CYL-esque alts were something I expected after they exhausted every or almost character in the series. Which they are FAR from.
Let’s try to look at things from IS perspective: their ultimate objective is to make the game profitable, so they have two options when thinking about new legendary heroes:
-A popular hero with a huge fanbase who will pull for her (and yeah, let’s just go with “her”) regardless of how strong she is as a character.
-A OC or a classic FE character who -might- deserve an alt, but who hasn’t because IS -knows- its not a profitable as our first option.
I think Gunnthrá is a good example for this. She’s a OC, nice looking, somewhat important to the plot (nobody cares about that, but meh) and she’s actually a pretty nice unit. Now, when was the last time you saw one at the arena? Horse Emblem teams are quite common, but she is rarely seen even in those teams -not even with her arena relevant chill speed.
My point is, if you really want different alts, your wallets will speak way louder than your comments, by pulling for that new Marth or Renault or whatever. You can start saving orbs right now avoiding the new banner. Or just throw a couple of orbs for Speed Tactic, which is probably there just to give something useful for those who dislike Lyn or just don’t want another.
I never have and still don’t refer to any of the remakes as “numbered” entries. It’s just so silly to me. They’re remakes. If you were to number the Zelda games, it would be absurd to give OoT 3D, WW HD, MM 3D, and TP HD numbers. They’re remakes of numbered entries.
So I refuse to use numbers for the remakes (and for Gaiden’s remake, I shorten it to “Shadows of Valentia” rather than “Echoes,” since that is likely to be a branding element for future remakes). I still don’t understand why people use numbers for remakes when they likely won’t and don’t for any other series.
(Which, fun enough, makes Awakening 11, Fates 12, and the yet-to-be-released-or-even-properly-revealed Switch title 13. Let’s hope its’ not too unlucky 🙂 )
Would be nice to see Opinion pieces on SF used for more than just negativity.
There are some good points raised here, though I think pointing to Lyn is a strange approach. The banner right before her Legendary appearance, with Hinoka and Shigure, in a way features two alts and one new character (Hinoka and Shigure both as alts, even if the new Shigure is his in-game actual appearance). I pulled only green on that banner mainly because I only cared about Kana there, but also because it was a very strange combination of characters. Kaze is a new character being released – why wasn’t he on the banner? Why are male and female Kana both dragons, and why is male Kana a freaking GHB reward? That’s the weirdest decision for me.
Lyn being a Legendary Hero, even considering timing, just isn’t at all egregious to me. After Fjorm and Gunnthra, all the Legendaries have been alts of existing (and VERY popular characters), so Lyn should have been expected sooner rather than later.
The flood of alts can be seen as a problem (it depends on perspective, so I won’t just out-and-out say IT IS BAD because it’s not that simple). Pointing to Lyn as the breaking point is a very strange argument to me, though. It’s even more disappointing that the argument has gained so much traction among the vocal minority, there’s quite the echo chamber getting started up.
Looking at the arguments about alts and strange banner compositions, Lyn is definitely not the strongest argument against so many alts. Look at Kinshinoka’s banner and the strange handling of Kaze and male Kana. Look at how almost every banner with new Heroes recently has had at least one alt. Those are strong examples. Legendary Lyn? Not really.
It’s also worth realizing we have two new character banners coming very close together – as soon as Kinshinoka’s ends, another begins. It’ll be very interesting to see what that new banner is, if it’s a seasonal full of alts, or a “new hero” banner with only one or two actual “new” heroes.
I’ll also, for argument’s sake, state that I’m really not unhappy with FEH so far at all. I love Lyn, so I don’t mind her at all getting a new version (and now she appears in all the colors! Lyn Emblem here we come!). If I didn’t frequent Fire Emblem fan sites, I would have no idea this had such blowback, because I saw the trailer and honestly lost my freaking mind, I was very excited to see a new Lyn. But even though I have some problems with Leif and Kinshinoka’s banners having more or equal alts to new characters, it doesn’t bother me in a huge way. And I hope people who are actually angry and upset about this will find a way to calm down and rationally, reasonably deal with it. If you don’t like it, offer feedback to IS – as the article states, you can do that through the game itself, which is a very nice feature. But if you’re just grumpy about “overexposure” or a character you don’t like getting an alt, or a character you DO like NOT getting an alt, then it’s all very arbitrary and perhaps you should try to find things to be happy about. There’s enough anger and hatred on the internet, and it would be nice for video games to be a place where we can be more happy than angry.
They used to release 4 new characters at a time. Now they release 1 at a time, because they’d rather make other variations of already existing heroes. Ugh…
The Far-Fetched Heroes banner seems so far away now. I hope we see banners like that again soon. Having Mia, Dorcas, Lute, and Joshua (am I missing anyone?) all drop together was so cool! Not only was it a banner full of brand new Heroes, but they were from different games, too. I don’t need my banners themed, I just want to get cool mix-ups like that, it was very fun.
And I hope they don’t keep putting on their event calendars “New Hero Banner” only to have it be half or more of alts, with just one, maybe two new Heroes.
Personally I’m not upset about alts, and I like most of them. I just don’t entirely like how they’re releasing them, and I’d rather have new Hero banners be exclusively NEW Heroes, not alts. It seems to me that making alts and new Heroes would take the same amount of work on the part of IS, so the sudden deluge of alts, while not terrible, is very strange.
It seems Legendary Heroes is mostly based on their achievement from their respective game. Although I personally agree that we do have Lyn, there a theory that IS is trying to please both Veterans and Newcomers. I do expect Marth will get is spot eventually. Also, let’s not forget that they introduce color bows, so whatever the heroes come in, it will either find it interesting or no interest.
If Legend Lyn turn out to be given as a free unit due mission (correct me), then I personally don’t think its a problem, but there are those who will either use it for team build or Skills intertance/Send Home.
I remember wanting another version of Lyn as a Legendary Hero, but I feel like they really jumped the gun on this one. They should have waited a few more months from now to release her, because recently it just feels as though we’ve been given too many Lyns. Maybe they could have waited until later this year when it would have been close to the anniversary of last year’s Choose Your Legends event, and then released her with a legendary banner at that time. It would have been better to do so at that time in my opinion, since her legendary version basically looks like the Brave Lyn version anyway.
I do hope that we get more actual brand new characters added to the game, and at this point I don’t care if it’s from an old game or a new game. We just need more variety of characters, not more variants. While it is undeniably nice to see different versions of characters it loses its special feel when we constantly get new versions of already existing characters in Heroes.
IMHO the worst part of this is Lyn won’t get a Sword Legendary alt now, unless weapon swapping becomes a thing.
This is like if Hector had his Legendary Alt use Durandal. It’s bullshit.
I posted a detailed comment on here this morning, where did it go?
Well I’ll try reposting in a condensed form:
– Recent banners before the Legendary Lyn are a far better example of improper use of alts and “too many” alts. The Thracia and Kinshinoka banner were advertised as banners for new characters, but for Thracia we only got two new characters with two alts, and with Kinshinoka we had arguably two alts (Shigure has appeared before, though he’s only now appearing in his game-accurate form) and one new character, with TWO new characters (Kaze and Male Kana) relegated to means other than the banner. That’s far more of a problem (if one considers alts a problem, which is a matter of perspective) than Legendary Lyn, when all Legendary Heroes since Gunnthra have been alts of the most popular characters. Lyn was inevitable, in that respect.
– I’d love to understand why people are so upset about Lyn. I’m reading comments, and the above article, but I still don’t fully understand. It feels like mostly a case of “I want THIS character or THIS alt but instead I’m getting THIS and I’m mad about it” rather than “this is an objectively bad design choice.” Again, if too many and too frequent alts are the problem, the most recent “new hero” banners are far bigger problems in that argument.
– I find it disappointing that so far Opinion pieces on SF have been primarily used for negativity. I don’t mind editorials, but only having them come out when there’s controversy or anger, and then using that to sort of fan the flames of that dissent, feels like the wrong move. Though I do respect the author’s extensive analysis, and they make some solid points, I just think that this, and Ayra, I think are the only Heroes Opinion pieces on here? That’s disappointing to me, as I love to read positive editorials and I think SF has some good writers, including the writer of this article.
I had 450+ orbs. Spent them all. Don’t know what overcame me. Got 2 Inigos, 1 Henry, 1 Micaiah, 1 Grima, 1 Celica, 1 Ike. I got a few orbs after that from completing all of the Lyn maps. Infernal was way easier than Grima’s. Thank god I got pain fodder from my summonings. I haven’t had pain ever since the weapon refinery was announced, believe it or not. But come on. They could’ve at least given me Nanna
After 100 orbs, I got afraid of getting a hero I already had. I would get pissed if I get Inigo or Henry, two heroes I already have. Luckily, I got Lyn (+Spd -Def). I made some quest, got some orbs, tried again and I got Grima (+Spd -Atk).
I planning to try again after some quests done. I would like to get a Jakob. My Faye with guard bow and Quick Riposte worked pretty well, so this build will work better with Jakob because he has access to armored buffs more easily than Faye has access to Tactic Buffs.
And now I have access to all four tactics, I can search for a good Eirika. I have a +Def -Res 5* Eirika, and a +Def -Spd 5* Eirika. I am trying to get a +Atk.
This is not a bad banner at all. There are really good units on it. Now I am re thinking if I will spend orbs on it again. I thinking of keep my orbs for the next main banner.
It’s not bad, but there’s not really any units that I want on it. So in my case it’s just the fodder that I’d go for. Hopefully the next banner will be another 3DS one that I can skip.
I believe the next banner will be 3DS units too. I think can be Awakening, but I would prefer a Shadow of Valentia banner, because the game was released on May (I want Silque and Python). And… as IS likes alternatives, I can easily see Palla, Catria and Est (Valentia version), and even Zeke, as part of the banner. Possessed Delthea is a option as GHB (sadly).
And of course, here I am not giving 2 craps about this banner thinking to myself that I might as well just redeem my free summon…my free summon was a L!Lyn…and it took getting up to 4.75% pity rate on the previous banner just for me to pull a -Atk Bownoka, RNGesus really does hate me.
Oh my gosh, I’m so happy!! I had the literal WORST luck getting Legendary Robin last banner, and I managed to get both her and Legendary Lyn in one round of summoning. Today is a great day.
Oh look, Blue is useless for me again, it’s like they’re trying to make me not pull for Blue on these Legendary Banners. At least all three of the others are fairly solid this time, I think Inigo is the only one I would be bothered by.
Im skipping it, well, it’s all i can do in order to show my dissatisfaction with all this. Already send my feedback so… Let’s hope for the best next time.
Thank goodness the PR crash-and-burn didn’t obliterate the game’s chances. Now think about how high that one million could have been if they’d managed the PR the right way…
In most likelihood, it may only be a few hundred or thousand higher. The focus on three games is unlikely to have had much of an impact on the general public, and Fire Emblem is still straddling that awkward line between niche and mainstream.
An updated version or sequel that borrows the hype and popularity of Heroes would likely do the trick though. Since HW and FEW performed significantly better than the recent DW and SW games, KT has a much better chance of investing more effort into future projects with Nintendo. DW9 has three times the amount of playable characters as FEW does, which in turn only has one more playable character than DW2, which was a PS2 launch title.
A potential FEW2 would also likely look towards Heroes for indicators on unit popularity during the process of creating it’s roster.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the majority of the backlash came from older FE fans, who also tend to be a vocal minority. As much as old FE fans like to think of themselves as the life blood of the franchise, we only make up a very small fraction of sales for the franchise. So even though there was a lot of backlash, the ones who ended up supporting the game in the end were newer fans and new comers who didn’t necessarily care that only 3 games got significant rep.
35 Orbs for Ephraim and Lyn, which is pretty good. I’ll likely be spending much more on the banner since the aforementioned two plus Genny, Ike, and Henry are the only units I have. If I could just snag Jakob, I’d have a much easier time remaining in tier 20.
Those Lyn quests were surprisingly difficult though; Legendary Lyn was thoroughly thrashed even on the level 30 map, which I find rather odd. I ended up relying on Reinhardt and Fae to beat Infernal like I usually do.
Rhomphaia will be the same as Wing Sword, but I’m curious about it’s refinement. Wo Dao effect based on speed?
Camilla I’m expecting to be tanky and fast with her new weapon.
The updates have started to improve the enjoyment of the game so I’m glad about that
– Takumi as a gift for new players at 4*: oh, good.
– Turn off enemy phase music : MOTHER OF GOD, AT LAST.
By the way, can you recruit Takumi if you complete the tutorials again? I never got him.
The Feathers, Badges and Shards are because now new players will receive all free units as 4 stars heroes, while players before this update received the free units (excluding Takumi) as 2 stars units. The 13,200 Hero Feathers is the amount needed to promote six 2 stars units to 4 stars units, and Takumi will be a free unit to old players, while new players will have Takumi during the Prologue.
Such radikal changes, to think at the beginning with all the grind we did with 50 Stamina and ca. 1-2 5* if you where lucky at summonig.
I don´t want to say “Easy Modo”, but the Tension to train some units (at the time Odin as example) was really good.
But I snatch every free CloseCounter anytime ( °w°)————{ (CC)
A free Takumi is great! For new players, he is a good archer. For old players, a free Close Counter. I think he is be the first exclusive 5 stars unit to receive a 4 stars form. Maybe this can means the demotion of 5 stars is coming?
I already expect Camilla and Corrin new weapon/refinement, but a new weapon for Clair? In Echoes, Rhomphaia is effective against Armored and Cavalry. This is help Clair’s low Atk. I hope her refinement is good.
Arena will become easier now, thanks for the buffs. Also… Kaze! I would like to know if a free unit will be exclusive or this GC, or this will repeat in futures GC. Maybe this is how we will get the old Tempest Trial rewards! I can see Tobin and Clive as rewards for this mode.
All of these seem really cool, and considering I’ve randomly pulled two -ATK Takumi, I’ll take a free one. The big thing though: the music will no longer change on enemy phase! That alone is worthwhile. We’ll see about the weapon upgrades. I don’t think they’ll be enough to salvage the -ATK Clair and -SPD Corrin I have gathering dust
New weapons are great, Arena changes are pretty good (though the reward going from 3 orbs to 1 is annoying, it’s fine). But the big deals are the seemingly little stuff for me.
Heroes keeping EXP and SP even if they’re KOed??? OH HECK YES FINALLY. That’s always driven me crazy, I’m so glad they changed that. 40 Units instead of 20 for the enemies in Rival Conquests? Fantastic! Hero Merit from Tap Battle, and more stages after 100? Awesome! EXP and SP aren’t halved when repeating maps? THANK YOU.
This is a very good update, and I’m very excited for it to go live!
Actually, the orbs for tier won’t change. So that seems to be an additional orb on top of your current ones from your tier! The only thing removed is your offensive score rewards, but I believe the 3,000 feathers for the streak will cover that loss, so no harm done.
Whew, thank goodness I held off on sacrificing Camilla for so long. I was never able to find a good Cherche to give BA+ to so Camilla has just been rotting away in uselessness for a year.
I doubt she’ll still be able to replace Myrrh or Michalis, but at least I’ll actually be using her from now on.
“I doubt she’ll still be able to replace Myrrh or Michalis”
In my case, no. The axe/green unit in my flying team is NY!Azura, and hardly I will remove her from my team.
Takumi updates the F2P strats quite nicely, plus, free Close Counter…even if it’s not as good as Distant Counter.
My girl Camilla finally gets her prf weapon, don’t quite know what it’ll do, but it would be neat if it’s ability reflected her other Malig Knight Skill, Trample, or being an improved version of the +Res it gives when equipped. Clair’s is obviously going to be like Ceada’s Wing Sword since that’s what the Rhomphaia does in Echoes. Corrin’s will probably implement boosts to all his stats in some way, whether or not they choose to split the boosts between player and enemy phases…such as +Atk/Spd when you initiate, and +Def/Res when enemy initiates, or maybe make it like Chrom’s Exalt Falchion…it’ll be interesting to see.
Arena changes seem nice, though the stat boosts effectively makes getting the defense feathers harder, even if it’s only for bonus units. It’s not a big deal since the max you’d ever get was 900, which is already getting made up for by the chain bonus in strides. It would be nice though if they did something about matchups so that horse emblems doesn’t plague any team not composed entirely of armors or high BST dragons.
The quality of life improvements are nice, for a while now I’ve just been muting music with my own FE music playing in the background, maybe now I can actually try playing it with the intended soundtrack. Characters not loosing everything when defeated is super nice, though I can’t help but laugh at how all these updates have slowly been making stamina potions obsolete, I’ve got over 300 just hoarded away.
OK, I completed my Kaze’s build:
Bard Shuriken+ (spd), Swap (I don’t have reposition), Iceberg, Death Blow 3, Desperation, Atk Smoke 3 and Distant Def 3 SS.
I was thinking to give him Spd Smoke, and then Atk Smoke SS.
Yuk, Camilla gets a new weapon… I also don’t see why Clair needed a refine tbh.
Overall still getting real sick of all the BS character exclusive weaponry. More weapons need to be inheiritable and several older characters need better weapons to boost stats. With the Harmonious Lance and Poleaxe I was hoping some characters would have been updated to have those but meh…
At least Yato is getting the refine it deserved the second upgrading older characters became a thing
Clair is a blue Caeda.
Caeda without her weapon is not a good unit, and Rhomphaia is effective against Armored and Cavalry units in Echoes, so it will probably be the weapon effect.
I’m not entirely sure how I feel regarding them removing the fact that units that fall lose the EXP and SP they gained in that battle. I honestly thought it was a neat idea, and encouraged strategy in a game where you have no fear of permanently losing units.
Male Kana is a really good unit! 40 Hp (+5 with refinement), 31 Atk (+14 from the weapon), 33 Spd (36, because I am planning to give him a Spd Refinement), 31 Def (+11 if foe initiates combate and if Kana’s HP < 80%) and 29 Res (+11 if foe initiates combate and if Kana's HP < 80%). At the end, a Kana with Spd Refinement at HP<80% will have 45 HP (at least -20%, of course), 45 Atk, 36 Spd, 42 Def and 40 Res. I will give Kana Vantage and Bonfire. I would give him Res Smoke if I have a extra Robin, but Atk Smoke can works too.
He would be perfect if we have a Distant Counter SS…
I wouldn’t really recommend using debuffs in the c slot when you’ve got access to many powerful support skills there. i’d rather use the seal slot for debuffs since that’s where the weaker buffs are. also, the rest of the smoke skills will without a doubt appear as seals at some point so there’s no need to fodder a Robin
Yeah… for now, Kana has Threaten Res 3. I have Drive Spd and Drive Def available, and all types of spur/hone/fortify skills.
Also, Male Kana was a key unit for me to win the Infernal Kana GHB. He was essencial against the 2 dragons.
If it weren’t for the fact that I’ve already invested so much into Nowi, I would’ve liked to incorporate M Kana into my dragon team considering how surprisingly good he is.
it’s probably just the defensive tiles that make it seem like difficult, but I wouldn’t call it one of the hardest. you can easily bait kana and his bros onto normal ground
Darios would be a better Season Pass reward than Bride Lucina. A extra playable character would be cool, although he is a Rowan/Lianna clone. I don’t agree for their reasons to why dagger units are not in the game.
In Fates, we have a different Weapon Triangle: Tomes > Bows > Daggers > Tomes. It could be added to the game. Kaze would be a good choice, as well Felicia.
And for the new character for the Awakening Pack, Olivia was a good choice… but I would prefer a dragon unit. Young Tiki is the only dragon in the game, and I would like to have Nowi or even Adult Tiki, both having different movesets than Y!Tiki. Adult Tiki would be a good choice, because while Y!Tiki has a childish moveset, A!Tiki would have a more mature moveset, and both having a support conversation would be interesting (also, Marth x A!Tiki support).
Nice! No such luck for me, as I only managed a 4* Raigh, though my partner snagged a +Def Hardin for his free summon, so at least one of us was happy haha
“Because the placement of his Brand was not mentioned in the original game,” Uh, it’s on his right hand, isn’t it? Lissa mentions that something is on Owain’s hand during his recruitment in Awakening, and Owain reveals his brand.
“but since we were able to understand the audience, it was a very enjoyable project.”
Audience: Where’s Ike and Roy?
Hayashi: Sorry, theres too much sword characters… Now shut up and take Lyn, Celica, Navarre, Owain and Olivia!
Bonus: We don’t put Lon’qu on the game because he was another sword character… So we put another sword character instead!
They could make him unique if they want, i mean, i expected that Linde would be a Robin clone but she has her own moveset, if only Lon’qu has a sexy feet…
Based on how they were talking, they figured Lon’qu would be just like that. I did not expect Linde to be a Robin clone, since remember that Robin’s final attack combo is Rexaura, which is pointless for Linde since she’s got the actual Aura.
Well, considerating that Leo has Brynhildr and yet Elise has the exact same moveset as him, i really expected Linde to be an Robin’s clone. I understand what you saying, they share the same archetype so they pretty similar, but i think that if they really want to, they could give Lon’qu a new moveset.
But that’s not the same thing, though. The movesets that Leo and Elise uses are spells that are in Fates, but Leo. But Rexaura is basically like a sub-spell of the actual Aura, which Linde has no need to have. So Leo-Elise wouldn’t work.
They probably could have, but seeing how Olivia fights is something I am okay with. She basically fights as you would expect, as a sword dancer. And I sometimes wonder if that’s how Inigo fights as well.
“Here’s two ocs! With swords!”
I have nothing wrong with the ocs in principal. Heck, I expected it. However, they have swords… On top of their alleged reasoning for not using lords from other titles. I wish that idea someone came up with of them having weapon options was real…
Let me see if I get their official statements on their main reasoning behind not including Gaius or Lon’qu right…
“Gaius wielded daggers and daggers were a new weapon type then”
…Except he actually wielded Swords, that’s Asugi they’re thinking of.
“if we added Lon’qu, ->ANOTHER SWORD USER<-, in the 3rd DLC Pack (Awakening), well… (painful grin)"
…So you're still going to act like 'too many Swords' was the most pressing concern for you guys, and then give us Olivia, who wields…Swords?
…I'm trying to figure out just how stupid they think we are. It seems like they think we're really stupid. Someone tell me I'm not the only one getting this vibe.
Tried for Ryoma today, the only Fates Sibling to have eluded me now that we get Takumi for free, on a whim.
Get 5-star Magic Eirika, who I never wanted, instead. Humph.
PS: I already had 2 5-star normal Eirika too, so. Yea.
This was a very interesting read.
” I would love to make Fire Emblem Warriors 2, but that’s not something we’re working on right now.”
Well, rip. According to their info, they started the development of the game in late 2015. It came out in late 2017.
If they still haven’t considered to start the sequel, that means we won’t be seeing a FEW2 until at least 2020.
But now we also know that the development started before the FEH Choose Your Legend poll, so they had no idea certain characters from older games were so popular. It also explains why Lyn and Celica were added to the game in a rush. Ultimately, we can expect great things from FEW2 when it comes out in the future, and there are good chances of that happening sooner or later given their last statement.
To be fair, Celica is technically a “3DS character” at this point, or at worst advertisement for Echoes. Also, “popular” characters like Reinhardt is a “meme” or sorts based on notoriety and of course the actual memes: “magic is everything” “lol small hands”. Same goes for Dorcas with mutton. I personally don’t really care, and it’d be cool to see these kinds of characters. However, that’s mainly the reasons they’re popular.
After the version update, I was expecting some better choices for the three heroes quests. They are not bad… but not that good either. I only see Tiki being used of this three.
Yeah… with Weapon Refinery we can make some units good. But we hardly see Gaius or Gunther in teams on arena or Grand Conquest, and Tiki is only used on Dragon Teams.
The Golden Week’s reward maps are a slap in the face of people who complain about there are too much alternative versions of some units. Today’s map is about Lyn and her five versions.
Three heroes? More like Tike and 300 feathers hehe, the free orbs are always welcome though.
Let’s see how many alts will be feature on the new heroes banner.
“Although there are some characters with less conversations… There were times where we couldn’t really piece something together. In the end, I felt a bit lost. There was also a suggestion for “every character to have N conversations”, but it’s no fun if a conversation is forcibly added. Ultimately, there is an imbalance in the number of conversations, but we have to draw the line so we can proceed.”
I feel like this is pretty interesting considering how some people didn’t like Awakening and Fates’ conversations. Though personally I like both FE13/14 and FE15 styles.
Gunter was already apart of the F2P unit pool, but I guess the Hone Cav fodder is always nice. A!Tiki though is particularly nice to get a free copy of, she is a solid unit and Gaius…well…he’s alright on his own, probably gonna be like Matthew and have a very limited utility in F2P strats.
Lene will probably get dropped. The theme of the banner isn’t special enough to keep them all 5* locked. No alts with super great skills or brave heroes (farfetched are also considered brave heroes according to the paralogue, if you don’t believe me check out the first part of the farfetched paralogue). Sword valor isn’t that precious anymore as we’ve got blessings and double SP weekends
I would’ve preferred more Jugdral parents rather than children given how recent Leif and Nanna are, but getting more Jugdral characters is always a good occasion so I don’t mind too much.
Still, I never thought Lene would make it into the game quicker than her mom or even her fellow 2nd gen units given her relative lack of popularity.
I think your logic is sound there. Leen’s existence makes up a huge part of Ares role in the plot, as well as recruitment, so it’s no wonder they added her. More Jugdral is always welcome. Just excited to see what they do with Shannan, he better make Ayra look at least somewhat worse lol.
Good banner, doesn’t last long but adds cool new skills without the powercreep being excessive. Yes, Ares and Ishtar are good, but there are plenty of other good Sword cavs and Blue infantry mages. Their weapons stay decently faithful, though if Mjolner gives that much speed, wtf will Forseti do lol.
Well, getting to launch a Bonfire in every combat (or maybe even an Ignis every combat, if you can set it up) after the first trigger, that could be a pretty big deal. That’s essentially -3 to special charge after every combat after triggering the special once.
Hmm yeah. I guess it would be a matter of activating it first. I use QR and Bonfire on mine, which would have him proc it in the first round of combat, but if ine could make Vantage work, then units would be forced to eat a Bonfire no matter what. That probably won’t kill bulkier units since his ATK stat isn’t great (and mine is -ATK besides). I saw Ignis and Wrath, but Wrath isn’t available for me. Regardless, while all this might make Ares pretty good, I’m not sure it’s going to distinguish Eldigan enough to get him out of the depths of my bench.
I think they need to tone down on the alts. Fire Emblem has a HUGE varieties of characters that still needs to be given the spotlight: Dozla and Rennac from Sacred Stones; Aideen and Bridget from Holy War, Milady or Guinivere from Binding Blade; what about Sumia from Awakening, or Geoffrey or Lucia from Radiant Dawn? Or my boy Jesse from Gaiden/Echoes? Are they chopped livers, Nintendo? The alts are better for holidays only.
OH MY GOD, YES! Now we have all of Arvis’s spawns. But I thougth that Julius would be a summon to make him more powerful and Ishtar would be the GHB. Whatever, I think I’m pulling.
I expect Ares to be like his father. Well… at least we now know the true identity of Black Knight.
Looks like someone can receive a weapon evolution now. Eldigan enter to the list, alongside Chrom and Brave Lyn.
Lene looks to be a better version of Olivia. Safeguard is a really good weapon, being the DEF version of Berkut Lance. Having Firestorm Dance and Sword Valor makes her very useful for training. This makes me want Olivia to receive Olivia’s Blade as her
exclusive weapon. Another dance who should receive a exclusive weapon is Azura (Blessed Lance). Also, why we only have
Sword Valor in the summoning pool?
Ishtar is a monster! Having, in odd-numbered turns, +10 Atk/Spd during combat is awesome. I believe she will have between 30 and 35 spd. Atk Wave can be useful for Blade Tome users, and because of the name I expect Even Wave skills too.
It’s hard to say if we will have a unit demoted from this banner. Lene is a possibility, but her base skill set is good. We need to see her stats…
I don’t know what to expect for Julius. In Genealogy of Holy War, Loptyr “adds a bonus of +5 Res to its user and halves enemy attack
before defense-related stats are applied”. Loptyr in Heroes can be: “Grants Res+3. Reduces damage from foe’s first attack by 50% (or 30%)”.
He know Surtr Jr. is a Axe unit. I believe he will be a infantry unit, so he will have something different from his father.
Also, having skill for odd-numbered and even-numbered turns make beast units like Kaden and Keaton near to reality (Evenhanded, Even Better, Odd Shaped and Better Odds).
And thanks Naga, we don’t have alternative versions in this banner.
Edit: Sorry for the text. I am only expressing my thoughts.
That’s right.
Ephraim’s Siegmund is another weapon that has a refinement (Hone Atk 3 and makes a guaranteed follow-up attack when initiates combat when HP>90%) and a evolution (Grants Atk+3 and makes a guaranteed follow-up attack if there are more foes and allies around him).
I consider Flame Siegmund better than Normal Siegmund, and I think the same about Dark Mystletainn. I am not a huge fan of Fury, but I know it is good skill, so if IS decide to give Eldigan acess to Dark Mystletainn, I would give him his son’s weapon.
Thankfully I have some orbs over from my Spd Tactic endeavour. Will especially focus on Ares here. A bit disappointed there’s no Altenna in sight, though.
On another note, my Sheema is finally +10. Took long enough, considering she was my second 5*.
Forget it, I refused to get trolled on this new Banner, I’ve suffered enough from the Legendary Hero Banner, and Performing Arts Inigo is where I draw the line (along with that old coot Wrys who ruined everything)!
As for the new “Hellfire” story chapter? I’m looking forward to kill that evil bastard Surtr once and for all, he will pay for ruining my only chance of getting a free Gunnthra! Surtr, you’re DEAD!
Looks like another skip for me, I’m sure they’re all going to be great units, but I don’t care much for Genealogy. I’m glad though to see them add another dancer into the normal summon pool, especially with Lene looking to be the obvious 4* demotion choice.
It’s good that all the games are getting reps but in the west most players haven’t experienced these Japan only games and couldn’t care less about these banners. I am one of those people.
They need more banners and more low level characters in general at this point. A sort of reset of the star pools with new Beast folk units and several 3-4 star additions would have been great a month ago but now everything is getting stretched so thin with this cookie cutter approach to releasing small crumbs of only the most “important” characters from the most obscure games in the series.
It certainly also doesn’t help that most of the characters from the Shouzou Kaga era of FE didn’t have a lot of characterization if any since support conversations didn’t exist prior to FE6…which even then it took until FE7 for them to hit their stride in that regard.
I do agree too that we need more characters getting added to the 3/4* pool, perhaps what they could do is go through all the games that didn’t get reps in Vanilla FEH and add in mass a bunch of the less important characters and give them the same BST and skill distributions treatment as characters like Cordelia, Laslow, or Bartre. They can still continue with these big important banners, but they could use these mass addition banners also and promote these units in a similar fashion to the fodder banners.
I mean no one really cared about Reinhardt, Ayra, etc. till Heroes. Bar of course the people who played FE 4. However, I agree with the fact it’s kinda dumb they’re often making these characters 5*. Also, in a way, it’s sort of a shame their reputation might boil down to “they were op in heroes”. Maybe even “they used to be op in heroes”.
I know this is nothing related to this news but… Yato upgrade is kinda… Disappointing, i know, it’s based on his personal skill from fates, but it’s situational at best, i think Marth is still the Drive king here.
They probably waiting for Legendary Corrin to give us the Omega Yato, but probably L!Corrin will be an F!Corrin alt so… RIP in peperoni corn boy, you have my condolences.
I didn’t notice that Chrom and Lucina got the Sealed Falchion. I can only imagine how good Fury Lucina is with that and Desperation. The bond refine was probably better on regular Chrom anyway because he was a better tank. Glad to see this!
It’s actually quite cool that both Hinoka’s and Camilla’s prf weapons are referencing their siblings with all 3 of Hinoka’s being infantry and all 3 of Camilla’s being horseback.
Clair is now just a lance version of Ceada, which is really good, and potentially better with the large number of reds that show up. And Corrin’s refinement is kind of neat and is actually quite good so long as you remember to always have him on a team with someone he supports with. The down side to it though is that enemies don’t have supports so it’s useless for arena defense.
Especially since mine are already 5*, those feathers are going straight to making my Camilla +10…I’m just waiting for a +spd/-hp one, I got a +atk/-hp one, but I think that is less optimal than +spd.
I don’t know, I’ve actually long ago updated these three to 5* so it’s really just payback for the feathers I already spent. (They are actually pretty decent once they’re 5*, Alphonse and Anna anyway).
I feel very validated that Lene gets a spot in Heroes after being bashed by Laylea fans for so long. 😀 And I have a ton of blue mages but I still want Ishtar badly.
I thought it was freedom of speech… Anyway, even if I don’t agree with someone’s opinion doesn’t mean I go around insulting them because of it. That’s called being rude. You’re free to do it, but let’s call it by its name.
If you disagree with someone I’m sure you can manage to express that without resorting to insults.
Are you insinuating it’s alright to mock others you don’t know because you don’t agree with them? You need to rethink your life if your answer is anything but a negative.
Mocking what? someone that’s trying to put bad reception of a character that’s clearly not that type of guy and would look very bad please just gtfo to anyone that think something like this is ok just leave….
I won’t touch on the nature of shipping itself, but calling others creeps for superficial reasons is unjustifiable no matter the context. Helbindi and Ylgr are bare-bones in character at the moment, so there’s no faulting fans for drastically altering pre-existing personalities as such a thing doesn’t exist at the moment; Bruno and Veronica were heavily shipped back when they were still unknown, but many of their shippers bailed out once they were fleshed out and more aspects of their characters came to light such as their blood relations.
The Fire Emblem fandom in general is and has always been quite keen on shipping, both pre-Awakening and post-Awakening. You act as if this was the first occurrence of such a thing in the franchise’s 28-year life.
It’s actually quite possible Helbindi managed to retreat – his final line starts ‘can’t die yet’ which is ambiguous enough to imply he may have made it out. Perhaps not likely, but certainly not impossible.
With 65 orbs, I got 2 5-stars: Lene and Delthea.
My free summon was a 4 stars Shigure, for my surprise. Ward Fliers as 4 stars is always good.
I think the best summon from today was a 4 stars +Atk -Res Marth. I already promoted him and now he is Lv40+7. More 3 to go!
Lene is +Spd – Atk. Having 38 Atk is bad… But she is a dancer so Atk is not important. I believe she will be demoted.
Also, her weapon is pretty good! She has 23 Def, but during enemy’s turn she has 30! I don’t know what refinement I will choose. I am between Def, so she can have 34 Def in enemy’s turn, or Res, so she can have 32 and be really resistent to both Def and Res. Also, she needs the +5 HP from the refined weapon.
Spent 150 orbs and got Ares (-Atk), Soleil (-atk), Lyn (sword), Sanaki, so my 5* rate has been good. I’m aiming for Lene and Ishtar though, so a tad annoyed I’m not able to get them yet.
Managed to get Ishtar practically for free (9 orbs into summoning), and, many more orbs later, an Ares too. Both -Atk/+Res. And this after pulling not one, but two -Atk L!Ephraims (+Spd, +Res) on the last banner. I think I’m sensing a pattern. Time to save up and try for Lene…wonder what her bane will be if I manage to pull her! >_<
Pfft, that Helbindi was a pushover, good thing he’s dead, he’s out of our sights. And I’ve managed to save that Ylgr, but how did she know my name? Fjorm was going to introduce her to me, but then she coughed, and Ylgr said my name out of the blue. …Could it be that Ylgr is…a spy?! …Nah, it couldn’t be, there’s no way Ylgr is a spy, and by “spy” I mean “Loki in disguise”, nope, no way, not possible! Ylgr was Helbindi’s prisoner, and I rescued her! Intelligent Systems better not kill off Ylgr the same way they killed off Gunnthrá, because that would be sickening! I’m on to you, Intelligent Systems!
It’s not confirmed that Helbindi is dead, like the other character you love.
The phrase: “I can’t die yet… Not yet…” can also means maybe he decided to run away.
Anna mentioned “One squad down”, but not Helbindi’s Death. I believe he will return. IS would not introduce a new unit and kill him in the same chapter. Even the character you love so much took some months until her’s death.
Anna said “one squad down”, but guess what, kid? Helbindi was part of that squad who is down, therefore Helbindi is pretty much dead, and his sister will be in the next chapter to try to avenge him. And honestly, Helbindi isn’t all that tough, not even in Lunatic mode, unlike Ishtar and Ares (two of the Genealogy characters that this Goddamn game won’t let me summon, I might add)! Also, did you just mention Gunnthrá, the one Legendary Hero who was killed off by Surtr and Intelligent Systems, just to ridicule me because you summoned her and I didn’t?! That’s low, even for you, kid!
Well… I only put the possibility of he being alive. There is no reason to be agressive. And all Múspell’s generals are not that hard to defeat. Surtr could be easily be defeated if he didn’t have that Múspellflame skill. He is the boss, but don’t have Distant Counter.
And yes, I have a Gunnthrá, +3 to be more precise.
Oh, Surtr will soon be defeated, when the Summoner (like me) will shoot him in order to nullify the Múspellflame skill, permanently! It’s over for Helbindi, he’s out, dead, so the next enemy to be killed will be his sister, along with Laevatein, Laegjarn, Loki, and finally Surtr! Surtr’s end is near, Gunnthrá will be avenged!
You have more than one Gunnthrá? Then you ARE ridiculing me, you and your fellow trolls who summoned her easily, even as a freebie! Not cool, kid, not cool at all!
You’re the real child here in these comments if you can’t even back yourself in discussions without resorting to insulting your opponent.
Helbindi is most certainly going to reappear; Fire Emblem has always adhered to the Law of Conservation of Detail, so he’s automatically an important figure solely by merit of possessing a unique design, voice, and backstory. Plus, FEH’s nature as a gacha game means Helbindi and the other Muspellians are likely to receive playable variations since they already possess the necessary prerequisites which would otherwise go to waste.
Oh look, another good for nothing troll here to gloat over the fact that you summoned Gunnthrá easily where I failed! Well, I’m not listening to your gloating or your usual trolling!
Also, wrong again, these evil Muspellians aren’t worth being playable, they will all die, removed from the game, and you don’t have the balls to prove that they will be playable like the Brave version of evil princess Veronica! Helbindi is dead, his dying breath after this new chapter proves it all, he’ll be replaced by his sister in the next chapter! Anna said “one squad down”, and it so happens that Helbindi was part of the squad, meaning he’s officially dead! Good riddance to that pushover Helbindi. Top that, you gloating troll!
There was literally not a single mention of Gunnthrá in my post, and I certainly didn’t have any ease with getting her like you suggest I did – a combined total of 280 orbs between the first three focuses she was in, and she ended up being -ATK +HP which is pretty bad.
You didn’t even provide any points to counteract me since you just repeated what you stated earlier in the comment thread. Barring Surtr and Loki, FEH drops frequent hints on the displeasure of the other major Muspellians under Surtr’s service, which in a typical FE game is usually indicative of defection. Laegjarn is shaping up to be a Camus archetype, but the chances of defection on the part of Laevatein and Helbindi isn’t unreasonable. Helbindi in particular is currently the most likely of the Muspellians to defect to Askr, since his primary motivation seems to be ensuring safety and quality of life for his sister, which Askr can provide.
Plus, Fire Emblem has played the old trick of a seemingly defeated person turning out to be alright on numerous occasions in the past. That’s further support for the case of Helbindi’s survival.
Oh, that reminds me, I also refuse to listen to the gloating from you glory hogs who always succeeded into summoning those powerful Heroes the first time in every new Banner. You like it when this game trolls me with weaker Heroes? For shame, troll!
Nobody but you cares if you summon those heroes or not.
Don’t want to know about other players succeeding? Don’t read comments.
Don’t want this game to continue “trolling” you? Just stop playing.
Yeah I know, shouldn’t engage. But yesterday was just one of those days where I was tired of humankind’s less flattering attributes and I let the constant negativity get to me. And ignoring so far has done nothing. Unfortunately negative things or people don’t go away when you ignore them, most of the time. Unfortunately neither do they go away when you engage them, most of the time. Sometimes you just can’t win.
Oh yeah, I’m sympathetic to that. To me, I just think it’s their goal to get a reaction out of people, so it’s worth trying to deny them that, or at least not letting them think that you care. But it’s frustrating for sure, as the Internet always lays bear our more disappointing traits
The bad luck streak has ended at last – Ishtar on blind 3% after three failed Blue Orbs for the Alt. Account. I’m starting to wonder if perhaps I shouldn’t be making it my main account since the last several times my luck has gone upwards it’s always been on that account…
I realized I pull pretty much exclusively on Legendary Hero Banners now, though I clearly won’t be as well off as I was for the last one. New heroes (and special heroes) are enticing too, but the odds are so poor I haven’t bothered. Still, I know we’ll get some incredibly broken Laguz lords eventually, and I am going to unload when we do.
Me too. I would love to get some New brides, and maybe grooms, but I am with zero orbs and I need to get every single orb for the Legendary Banner. I will probably try the Special banner after the Legendary Banner.
Somehow the last Legendary banner was very unappealing for me personally. So I didn’t really spend much of anything on it. Ended up with a Shigure, who I already had. Weirdly I did try to get the new archer Hinoka and had no luck, but on the new banner I managed to get Ishtar reasonably easily at 3.25% and then took the 5th orb which was colorless just because it was the cheapest and there she was… Kinshi Knight Hinoka… oh the irony. Well, can’t complain though. And I did get the new Shigure, and though I don’t really need him (there were no colorless orbs in that round) I have to admit he is very lovely. Will try to get Lene, and then save orbs for all that may be coming.
I think you really have to be okay with 2-3 or the units for the color you’re pulling to make it worth a shot. I pulled Henry, two Jakobs, Lyn, Genny, and three Vikes (wasn’t trying for red) in 300 orbs, for instance, as I try to build a competitive armor team.
Glad you got Hinoka though — that’s really lucky — and Ishtar scares me to death
That’s still a good haul though! I love my VL Ike and Jakob’s good when built well. Don’t have the rest.
This time I had most of the units in the banner and not a lot of interest in the ones I didn’t.
Good luck with that armor team. I’m currently trying to make Jakob, Tharja, Robin and Grima work as an armor team. But it’s experimental. I used to run something like Amelia, BK, Effie and Hector. I haven’t really found something that works for me yet. I’ll continue switching units in and out and rounding out their skillsets. Still not armor’s greatest fan due to the movement restrictions.
Thanks, it was. Just felt ironic after trying on her banner and failing. I’ll test her out over the weekend. But her stats + skillset seem pretty insane for sure. Mine’s -Def/+Res so that’s not bad. All the more reason to bring a high res green unit… If only there was one dealing physical damage… Wait, is that what green bow Lyn was for? Though her res isn’t _that_ high. A green dragon with a DC breath weapon will also work 🙂
Or just don’t let her initiate, her defense is like paper.
My armors up until this point had been BK, Effie (Brave with Armored Boots), Hector, and Sheena. I’ve been running Hrnry and Grima as the greens now, and running a potent second line of Arden, Eliwood, Hector, and Jakob. But armors haven’t really been working out for me either, also because of the movement. I’ve just seen some very potent teams in arena and I’ve been trying to get those orbs from the GHB quests. Your group seems pretty ideal to me. Robin has March and Tharja breaks so many matchups. There’s definitely some balance between ranged armors and arnors with DC to find. I kind of wonder if going all armor mages might be the best.
I really underestimated Vike, and all mine are +DEF, but I don’t need 4. I’m thinking of giving Warding Breath to a bunch of dragons, but I don’t have any of the dragon buffs but Kana’s.
I tell myself Ishtar can’t be as scary as Reinhardt, with less movement and no brave tome, but I’m not sure I believe it.
Henry and Grima is nice. I’d probably keep BK if Arden is your alternative. I’ve not really used Eliwood much yet so I don’t know how well he does.
I actually have a couple other nice armors around but I can’t seem to find a really good combination of them. Too many greens especially. I think my problem is finding proper synergy between what I have.
With two armor march units it becomes ok but at the same time you’re giving up two C-slots in which you could have armor buffs.
Robin, I love Robin, more than Tharja even. He has never let me down. But he’s neither ranged nor has DC so I keep thinking I should maybe replace him (and I don’t have a DC to put on him nor do I really want to).
I’m using the neutral VL Ike, since my other one was -Def. He’s fine, and my Raven’s best buddy *g*
I’ve had a hard time finding a home for that one Warding Breath I have now. I was considering Grima, but then I had a surprise Fjorm and put Atk/Def Bond on him instead. Now I still don’t know where to put it.
I don’t think she will be, but then again… maybe she will… you’ll need a really fast green at the very least? I think I’ll try with Raven, Nino and my TA raven Inigo (he is +Spd and +4). Got anything green, with TA or fast or high res or all of the above? Although I think you may need physical damage to deal with her properly. Actually Hector might be a good counter. Grima too.
Arden has worked out really well for me on that squad, because with the Brave Sword, Jakob’s Hone buff, and Hector and Eliwood’s Goad buffs, he destroys everything on player phase, especially because will quad and has Ignis. So he might actually literally kill everything on initiation. But he has the same problems we’ve been talking about: he’s exclusively a player phase unit, has no DC or range, and has that one move, so I usually keep the Black Knight on my first armor line.
Robin is really tough to kill. Brazen Atk/Spd seems awesome. Eliwood is probably similar, except he’s more enemy phase. He’s got a 52/52/35/29/29 spread with Spd refine pre-Fire Boost and I run QR and the Close Def seal on him. Really powerful, but with all the issues of the single-range, single-move, no DC armors.
I think Warding Breath can go on any unit that would take Steady Breath but has the Res or inclination to counter mages. That’s what led me to think dragons, since they have good Res and Lightning Breath. I believe Warding Breath and Vengeful Fighter are redundant, so I’m glad you didn’t end up doing that (unless you run Bold Grima)
I’m not too concerned about Ishtar if I can hit her on player phase. But I don’t know the list of units that could tank her and counter her at this point. I suspect that Hector definitely can, and Grima probably can as well. I have about 5-6 TA Gronnraven users because of the Reinhardt/Lyn meta, but I will have to see how they stack up. I prefer to run Micaiah, Sothe, Axura, and Genny in arena, and I’m not bored of them yet, so I don’t want to make any changes yet.
You definitely have a point. I’ve just had zero fun even just training him up XD Armor movement but purely player phase just seems very tedious to me.
I’ve got Lance Breaker on him and I’ve never looked back. Brazen Atk/Spd is great. He’s definitely mixed phase. Tannenboom gives an EP buff, but he hardly needs it, so he’s fine in PP too.
Eliwood’s really nice too, but I’ve not actually tried him in an armor team so far. My Robin’s stats are very similar. I had +HP – Spd, not ideal but eh. 50/52/34/35/25. With Brazen Atk/Spd active and in enemy phase with the Tannenboom it gets to 50/62/43/37/27, so that’s really nice before buffs. (My Tanneboom has +Spd because of the bane)
Dragons are definitely a consideration. We’ll see. I’m holding on to it for now.
If I ever have an extra Bold Fighter I may end up giving it to Grima.
Raven can bait her. At least mine can. Of course that means he still has to kill her in player phase.
Nino definitely works. So bunny Sharena or any green mage with a similar statline probably works as well, despite Ishtar’s high res. Grima will absolutely kill her easily since the breath weapon has adaptive damage and will hit her defense. He’s got the HP pool and res to tank her np.
If you’ve got a high res high atk blue mage with blue tomebreaker, may also work. A green mage with TA. Felicia, Innes, might work. I don’t know, I think any Reinhardt counter should at least not die to her when baiting.
Of your list depending on the sets and IVs I suspect Micaiah or PA Azura could work. Although Micaiah is slow. But I have no experience with her, don’t have one.
I’m still running VL Ike, Raven, Inigo and Fjorm 🙂 well, with changing one out for arena season.
Oh I definitely agree. Arden is not a first-team armor unit. I find I can only play with enemy phase armors, since I pretty much expect enemies to come to me before I get to them, and with everyone pivoting, I can’t get them out of the way like I can with my horses. Suffice it to say, I’m a mess with armors. At least Robin himself carries March, so he’s almost always moving, and strong enough to initiate.
I’m holding off on dragons. They aren’t a unit type for quests, and I will probably never get all the buffs since they’re all locked behind 5* units exclusively. Much like armors, I’m not even sure of the ideal buff combination.
I’m very confident Azura can tank Ishtar and kill her on player phase. I’m less confident that that is a sound strategy. So really when I say I’m afraid of her, I mean that I’m not confident Micaiah can tank or kill her. My Micaiah is +DEF/-ATK of all things, but she is S supported by Sothe (naturally) who still carries his Spur Atk/Spd as well as Drive Atk. With Azura’s Drive Spd, she gets up to about 57/39 Atk/Spd, which is still not enough to avoid getting doubled. She does carry the QR seal, but with -ATK, you’d be surprised what she doesn’t kill (or maybe not, because it’s -ATK).
That Vike, Raven, Inigo core seems pretty strong. I might give that a shot, just to mess around with. My Raven is built like yours, but he’s kind of languishing because I can’t use Player Phase units really.
I’ve found Swap much more useful with armors than pivot. They prefer to stay together. But without any armor march I can see how that can get really annoying. Player phase armor without that skill seems completely unusable. Robin really is fine on both phases, so I’ll likely keep him for the blue armor slot.
I don’t have a dragon team either but I have a couple usable dragons, they work well in non-dragon teams too. Though it’s Ninian who gets the most use and that’s mostly because she’s a dancer. Have to say though she’s perfectly capable when she needs to fight for a change.
She definitely doesn’t seem like the best candidate to go up against Ishtar.
I’ve had fun playing with mine over the weekend. I finally built a wind blessing team around Gunnthra and I put her on it. It’s an odd team to be sure, Arvis, Felicia, Gunnthra and depending on if I need a physical tank or not, Oboro or Ishtar. But with all that debuffing going on between Valflame, Ploys and Chilling Seal and Felicia’s Plate if needed, Gunnthra hits like a freight train with Blizzard and it works surprisingly well. I didn’t know what to do for the wind blessings for the longest time.
That’s interesting *g* I really prefer player phase, so I’m happy with him. Though he does enemy phase decently well on the first engagement. Galeforce has saved me so many times in arena. Coupled with his ability to kill most things. Inigo takes care of both Bow Lyn and Reinhardt for me, so I keep him in despite his terrible BST.
It has become less, but on defense that core still gets me wins, and really, one is enough anyway.
I’ve got the distant defense seal on my VL Ike and use him as a green mage killer.
I tried Swap first and wasn’t having much luck, since it doesn’t really move them. Pivot keeps them together and can see them move three spaces at a time. But maybe I just need March to take advantage of it.
Grima is actually my only dragon, so I’m a long-way away. I should try to mess around with my blessing teams. I just kind of put them together randomly. Ephraim and Vike work with anybody, doesn’t seem to care much either, and my Lyn is -SPD, so I think there’s no saving that. I might’ve at least put some different move types with Ike or some horses with Ephraim, but I did not.
My crew is really good on offense, because Genny can crowd control and kill just about anybody with dancer support and Sothe kills everybody, especially with his buff/debuff. Micaiah either does nothing or everything, obviously, depending on team composition. It does look like I’m dropping into Tier 17 with the new update, which I’m not at all pleased with.
The new TT+ will happens during the seasonal banner. Maybe, like what happened with the New Year banner (Corrin) and the Love Abound banner (Eliwood), the TT reward can be a seasonal unit.
Also, with the constant discussions between Masked Marth and Loki in Tempest Trials, Masked Marth could return as a TT reward again, specially now the unit received the Sealed Falchion in the refinery.
Which is really funny, when you think about it, considering Loki’s been a thing for maybe five or six months tops while Merth has been with TTs since the first one. Who would have guessed, right?
It’s not about my orb count or focus. I don’t want them in the game at all. Every character they make takes time, energy, effort, and money, all of which is better spent on other units. Particularly ones that aren’t already in the game.
Every character they make results in $$$, at least some of which goes to making the next characters. (I agree I hate the bridal banners, beach banners, valentine banners… I would love all that fanservice to go away, but it is making IS money so it is what it is.)
Oh absolutely. But their reputation also had monetary value to them. So if consumers like me complain about it, that can contribute to their discontinuation.
I always send feedback, too. Gotta do what you can!
Eh, it’s only something like non-seasonal alts and Lyn that gets to IS’s attention. Seasonals make a lot of money for IS and make many people happy for being fanservicey. I don’t see them abandoning this practice as abandoning it could have a negative effect for a majority of the whales
I like alts generally, because it provides an opportunity to imagine the characters living their lives. I loved Love Abounds because it was really sweet imagining the Elibe cast in life after Blazing Blade, and it wasn’t fan service-y.
My problem is not with alts, broadly, it’s with this shitty waifu banner. This isn’t imagining characters in their universe, it’s imagining them married to you and it’s creepy as hell.
I mean, I don’t disagree. I’m just saying they have options for alts if they want to explore them. I’m more fine with Bride Caeda than Bride Cordelia for instance, and a marriage banner that pairs brides and grooms could be cute.
Regardless, I don’t think there’s much to gain from complaining about it publically. It just aggravates certain parts of the fandom and welcomes charges of “elitism”, whatever that means
You’re right, Bride Caeda pretty good. If they wanted to tailor the banner to be actual brides, I’d be way more okay with it.
And yeah haha elitism. I don’t really care what they say. They’re free to get mad at me and say whatever they want. But I think if more people with my opinion spoke up, they’d be a larger percentage of the playerbase (or potential playerbase) than most people realize. Plus, it costs me nothing and it’s kinda fun. I get interactions like this to remind me about Bride Caeda. I value that.
it’s a necessary evil if you ask me. besides, they’re not that frequent.
either you have all of the characters come into the game without any seasonal which results in the lifespan of the game being much shorter or you prolong the game’s lifespan by introducing reskins
i don’t like some of the stuff IS does, but there are certain things you can’t just change
It is in no way necessary. I put emphasis on new units, but there’s a lot of other things they could do. Not all seasonals are bad. It’s just this banner and I’m also not a fan of summer, but I’m more lenient on it. But all these alts that have been on regular banners could have been here instead. Or do more.
It’s probably just a popular trend among gatcha games so I guess that’s where they started off with seasonals. Of course IS is bearing in mind that they need to prolong the game’s lifespan
Are there stats out on which banners make more money for them? I’d love to see them.
Also, it’s in my best interest to whine, so I’m gonna keep doing it. Just like it’s in your best interest to hump your body pillow to pretend you’re not a virgin
I actually don’t care about the Waifu myself.
Only the immature horny brats on here who can’t fap at night are using this as an excuse to keep the Fire Emblem series going, why because they don’t give a shit about the true essence of Fire Emblem and that is the story and the characters. Sex appeal isn’t the only money milking cow in the market you know? If you want Waifus, there’s pornhub. Go there. We want diverse number of characters that is anything but Awakening and Fates 24/7.
Just ignore this guy….. toxic guys like him are just the minority to not care for that moan and whine ALL the time it does show the very bad side of the western fanbase which they are not fans to begin with…
I sure love such interesting outfits such as *insert character here* with a dress or suit on /s. Really makes me appreciate good design like in Love Abounds
Groom Benny to match Bridal Charlotte, that’s what I want. Oh and I guess a Marth one too but at this point it’s become a meme that he’ll never get an alt.
That would be a good idea, having grooms matching the brides from the other banner. Benny for Charlotte, Marth for Caeda, Eliwood or Hector for Lyn and any Awakening character who is not Chrom for Cordelia.
This is something I never understood. We can’t make Chrom and Cordelia a couple, but Olivia, who is recruitable in the final chapter of Part 1, can be Chrom’s wife.
I would love groom Eliwood, though I never shipped him with Lyn. Groom Florina? XD That would be fun.
I guess Chrom realized she had him so far up on a pedestal he’d better stay away. Nothing against Cordelia but that archetype is kind of terrible? And apparently some people are into the unrequited love thing. *shrugs*
I guess Olivia was put in that way as some kind of failsafe? If you’d already married off the other candidates.
It’s also just really funny to pair Olivia and Chrom. Cordelia isn’t really much of a character outside of unexplained love for Chrom (he’s pretty, I’ll admit, but he’s not that pretty). At least Catria was and continued to be a complete person.
I never got enough of a sense of Lyn’s personally to have a good ship for her. Rath maybe? Otherwise, Fiorina is probably best.
Whatever she seems in him is not who he is so it’s a good thing that wasn’t possible (for both of them)… can’t explain her fixation any other way. Olivia is just fun and cute and sweet all round.
Your love for Catria is undying *g*
And I absolutely agree that it’s good to have more to a character’s personality than “is crazy in love with x”.
I’ve probably mentioned before that I’m not a big fan of Lyn, but her interactions with Florina were some of the few I actually enjoyed. Rath seems fine as a pairing. It was certainly a popular one.
But Florina in a groom’s outfit? Now there’s an incongruous mental picture with a lot of potential appeal. Might just be me though XD
Yeah I agree that I don’t like the unrequited love trope. Well, I don’t mind it because it does happen in life, but I like when it is overcome, and people realize they can a good match for themselves somewhere else, as opposed to fantasizing endless about someone who isn’t a good fit.
I do think Catria is really cool. I hesitate to say I love her in the days of Waifu Emblem, because that’s definitely not what I’m going for… maybe I should cut back…?
Yeah I did remember that. I have a lot of nostalgia for Lyn as my first Fire Emblem character (she addresses you!) and first FEH pull. I will get emotional any time I hear Wind Across the Plains. But beyond that, I think she’s pretty bland and all-together underwritten in most of the plot. I didn’t feel like I needed any of the Lyn variant, in other words.
I support Groom Florina. It’s my favorite Lyn pairing anyway (if canonically platonic). I just figure Rath is likely canon, given their backgrounds.
It would’ve been a much better character arc if she had moved on from it in the end. But mostly all supports I saw even if you marry her to anyone else she remains fixed on Chrom which is just… unhealthy and very unfair to whoever becomes her husband.
Yeah, it does happen, but hopefully most times people at least see the real person or eventually move on.
It’s ok, I think. *g*
FE 7 was my first one too so I’ve had the same experience, only somehow from the start she didn’t work for me. I used to play with people aroubd and read the dialogue out loud and I hate to say, she was not popular. I can’t even really put my finger on it anymore, I’d have to go back (again).
Yay!
I know what you mean with canonically platonic, but I struggle with it somewhat because I thought those two flirted with each other more than either did with anyone else, but ymmv on that *g* Certainly Rath seems like the most plausible canon outcome if it’s anyone from the FE 7 characters.
Oh I agree. I mean that I don’t mind the trope when the character does outgrow it and is able to move on. Cordelia’s arc, like a lot of Awakening narratives, remains a bit too heavy-handed.
I’m sympathetic, but I never expected IS to give us any sort of FlorinaxLyn thing, so I defaulted to Rath. I’d love to see it though (I generally dream of an FE7 remake that writes Lyn into the main plot, but that’s an aside. Her narrative is interesting, growing up entirely in Sacae, losing her family, living alone, moving to Caelin for new family, never really fitting into Lycian politics, and then ceding Caelin to Ostia (which would’ve caused a political uproar) and return anonymously to Sacae again. I find that fascinating. It’s just that it happens entirely through the game telling you the sequence and not really letting you interact with the character through the events.
I definitely didn’t expect it either, but it would have been amazing. And it seemed like easily Lyn’s most genuine connection to someone.
If they write her better and give her personality a remake too, I’d be up for it. Well not so much her personality as write her as less stupid? I would really have to go back to give you any specific examples.
The narrative is definitely not a bad one, but it could’ve been done a lot better.
I think part of why I dislike Lyn is because she did have a lot of potential but it was squandered entirely.
Completely unrelated my quest to get Lene has turned somewhat bizarre. I’m not terribly lucky with summoning, but at least I’m usually comparatively lucky enough to get focus units instead of other 5* units most of the time. I do get the occasional pity breaker, but mostly I get focus units. Doesn’t mean it’s the right one but, you know.
But trying to summon Lene… I’ve got an Alm, Ayra, Gray and Saber so far… and I’m not complaining, really, because they all came pretty easily and except for Alm I didn’t have them, but it is really a bit weird. Gray and Saber unfortunately not great IVs and Ayra a very mixed blessing at -Atk +Spd. But it’s cool.
We’ll see if anything changes until the banner is over, or if I will continue to pull random red 5* units.
I didn’t find Lyn particularly stupid, but that might be because I don’t remember doing much of anything as far as decision-making. She’s not really set up to succeed because of how quickly the game moves through her prologue. I wouldn’t have you go back through the game to find examples, but I am kind of curious.
I pulled Mia, Mathilda, Caeda, and Corrin trying to go for Soleil once, who I did not get, and I pulled Sothe, Blucina, and Tana before getting Micaiah (still a little scarred by that one). I also pulled Morgan-M and Exalt Chrom going for Morgan-F, who I also did not get. I was broken by a -ATK Clair to end that one, but I will be vindicated once I get a +SPD/-HP one, because my +SPD/-HP Caeda is one of my best units and Rhomphaia Clair should be basically the same.
But anyway, I’d probably whine a little bit if I were you, even though that’s not a bad haul (Saber and Gray should have their rarities dropped, or at least Saber). For what it’s worth, I don’t think the ATK on Ayra will matter too much, since I understand she’s special dependent anyway. I’ll hope you get Lene, though if you’ve already got Ishtar, you’re doing pretty good. I’ve been so snakebitten I can’t imagine pulling for two units on the same banner intentionally.
If I remember it was a combination of being headstrong (which is fine) but also incredibly naive and pretty resistant to getting other opinions or following advice from people with more experience in the fields she didn’t know anything about. And some other questionable writing choices. I don’t know, it’s been a very long time since I played the prologue.
Oh Mia and Caeda have ambushed me too… maybe it’s a red thing, I’m not lucky with them.
Tana at least is really nice? Well, I guess Mia and Blucina too. And horsie Chrom is so lovely. Not sure what IVs you got but mine is +spd -res (got none of the Morgans) and he’s my favorite red horse now. I built a fire blessing horse emblem team around him and horsie Ephraim. No DC hurts but it works anyway. And with all the dragons lately, having a Falchion on the team is very helpful.
And ouch on the Clair…
I’ve never gotten a good Clair or Caeda so those two are benched.
Gray is -atk… I don’t really see him getting any use. With horsie Chrom around I don’t even need Sword Valor.
Ayra seems fine for sure. Her special and weapon effect go off speed so +spd is really good. I’ve put Fury on her to mitigate the attack bane and she comes in at a very respectable 41/49/46/34/24. And I also put Fury because she has Desperation and with that kind of speed you’d be a fool not to take advantage of that, that synergy is still great. +Spd really was lucky.
Thanks and originally I was pretty happy with the prospect of summoning lots of red and blue, recently I was only ever looking for green and what I needed was some fodder from red and blue 4* units. But Ishtar came so easily that now I’m kind of like “but I needed blues” which is completely and utterly ridiculous.
Hmm I can see it. Naive and headstrong are both ways to describe her, I would say.
I already had Blucina with better IVs, so that one became aether fodder to Heavy Blade Minerva (purely a passion project). Mia and Tana I just didn’t need. Valter is fine as my defensive flier and I haven’t found any matchup for Mia that I wasn’t already handling with another sword. My Horse Chrom is +SPD/-HP, so he’s fine, but I’m partial to Xander. Chrom is still really good though, and I agree he seems like an obvious match for Ephraim.
I find I’m mostly looking for good fodder now, of any color really. I’m not really excited by random 5* that will never crack my lineup. I’m even starting to think of 5* in terms of fodder (Bold Fighter and Steady Breath)
I’ve had two Minervas by accident now (merged them) and she’s very nice, but I’m sort of clinging to my Cherche *g* 4*+10 because that’s apparently my thing, but with a Brave Axe+ from a pity breaking 5* Raven forever ago. She’s definitely nice, I’ve got a basic set on her. But for now Cherche remains my green flier.
I’m using Valter too but I think I may switch him out some day soon. I actually have two Tanas with different less than ideal IVs, but I liked both build ideas I had that I couldn’t make up my mind and kept both and just have very different sets on them, one being defensive and the other much more offense minded. Also I somehow really like the FE 8 charas a lot despite it not being my favorite game. Also now that I randomly pulled that flier Shigure, might try him out. But basically I have too many blue flier options, it’s tricky. Red is the color with few options. And I guess green is fairly clearcut as well where fliers are concerned. Mine is Elincia and she’s just a beast.
Mia only gets outings in Rival Domains/Grand Conquest.
Oh yeah, +spd is so sweet on him once he gets even a little damaged. As always put Fury and Desperation on him to that end *lalala* With hone cavalry that makes for 48 speed… Chrom has never been so fast.
Xander, Camus and Cecilia were my horse emblem core for the longest time, and I’ll still use them, but I just really fell in love with horsie Chrom and then, with horsie Ephraim and the defense blessing effect it seemed like a nobrainer to build a new horsie team. My Cecilia (again 4* + 10) is actually +def (she was my first and I never got good IVs) so at an unbuffed 30 defense she actually benefits from that effect. And takes Brave Lyn any day, even without Gronnraven or TA or blessing, just Bowbreaker, no sweat. Just a Gronnblade, not even +, and no buffs against Mulargir, still enough. And imo there’s not really anything in particular for the B slot that would make her better.
Oh yes, I’ve definitely foddered some 5* units too. And there are many 3 and 4* units I’m happy to get when summoning. Usually I want a specific unit when summoning, be it because of who they are, or sometimes, the kind of unit they are, but I definitely don’t have to have everyone, especially when I already have so many good units to choose from. For example, the green Olwen would’ve been really nice so I’d finally have a green mage cavalry option that could rival my Cecilia, but it wasn’t important enough for me to really go after it and I have no affiliation with the Thracia characters. Meanwhile I did really go after bunny Alfonse… both because he’s adorable and because I really wanted him for that horsie team 😉 Not a lot of good green horses around.
Now Lene… I just can’t have too many dancers. And I like her design a lot, and she seems to be the tankiest dancer since Ninian, that’s nice, a dancer you can use as a tank in a pinch.
I’ve actually pulled three Minervas, but my first one had the best IVs (+ATK/-HP). The others became LnD fodder. Cherche is simply much better. I’ve got a 5* one, but she’s +ATK. Never disappoints. However, she doesn’t make my first-team fliers either. I prefer Azura and Spring Camilla with TA Raven, QR, and Iote’s Shield seal. Caeda and blade Corrin round it out. That team never loses to anything. It’s the only team I was able to beat Lyn’s Legendary Hero Battle with, despite all the bows.
After that, Elincia, Firesweep Cordelia, Minerva, and Cherche are the second team. Valter and Tana seem to run better outside of Fliers, but I’m partial to my Def+3, QR, Luna Valter. No sword survives that. But yeah blue really is packed. I want to run Clair, one day dream of building Catria (stop), and like the idea of Brave Lance Est. Plus, Shigure apparently just powercreeps them all anyway.
I’ve been keeping Chill Def on Chrom for the one-shot damage. Plus, it increases his utility with my other units. He’s tanky enough to take hits and Aether his health back, so I’ve never felt like I needed Desperation. I run Xander, Reinhardt, Cecilia, and Lyn for my horses. I ran horses for most of FE’s life, so I don’t run them much. I assume Chrom, Ephraim, and Elise would form a second team, with maybe Camus or Ursula. Camus is another unit who I had been underestimating. I wanted a new green horse for a while, but they keep adding offensive ones and I’m so used to that slot being defensive. My +ATK TA Cecilia also runs G Tomebreaker, because Nino used to be a thing. I don’t think that’s really necessary anymore, but she one-shots Lyn anyway. Other than that, Frederick is basically Cherche on a horse, but it’s not a good time for melee horses.
I’ve moved away from dancers generally because of the low BST, but my dancers were always capable fighters because they’re all TA (Ruby Sword Olivia, Sapphire Lance Azura, TA Azura and Inigo). I will probably continue to collect all dancing variants of Azura though. I can’t help it.
Other than that, I want Morgan still, but she’s dreadful and will never be used if I get her, so I’ve got a list of about seven 3-4* of each color I’m trying to get for fodder, IVs, or merges. Otherwise, I wait for the Laguz lords (or CYL2 units) to break the game.
I think you commented again below as well, but it’s gone now, FYI
Mine is +Atk -HP too 🙂 I merged because that was the second one and I wanted to keep the skills, although there’s really nothing expensive on her. In retrospect should’ve probably used the first one as fodder as well. Yup, my Cherche is +Atk as well. I run her with Elincia, Valter and summer Corrin. No spring Camilla for me.
I gave up on beating that map on Infernal.
Oh man, yes, backup fliers… Minerva, NY Camilla, Halloween Nowi, the two Tanas, Cordelia, Hinoka, Myrrh, Azura, Kagero and now the other Hinoka. I should really consider changing up my flier team just so some other units get used and get some action… I might do it, the Kinshi Knight Hinoka is ridiculous with the movement options for a flier team.
My Shigure is unfortunately -Spd, which just seems like such a shame when that’s kind of his best stat.
He doesn’t really need it, no, but it always pairs so well with Fury. And it means I can have him running around at 1HP, taking out foes safely and then eventually triggering Aether. I enjoy it a lot *g* just let the man solo.
Reinhardt used to be my TT goto (and he was again since he was just a bonus unit). Brave Lyn is really good but maybe it’s my Lyn aversion, I’ve not actually used her that much. When I ran a fourth horse with my old core three it was most often Elise. And yes, I don’t really use the horses much anymore either, been doing it too much in the past. Camus is lovely, I’ve got vantage on mine and he’s just brilliant.
Bunny Alfonse is pretty defensive. But I did switch his sturdy blow for sturdy stance so… that helped, along with the fire blessing defense buff from Ephraim.
I usually bait Lyn with my Cecilia. And I used to do that with Xander for Nino. And hey! Nino’s still awesome.
I’ve tried to make mine capable, but other than the TA Raven Inigo only Ninian is really a unit I’d bring to fight more so than to dance/sing. The others are more “fight in a pinch” for me. Ninian is hard to kill by most things.
I’ve never managed to get vanilla Azura, and trying to get the PA version left me with Inigo +4 *cough* well, I did then finally get her on the Legendary banner.
Wow that’s a deep bench of fliers, and I thought I had a lot. And you have a Myrrh! I’m kind of jealous of that. I’ll bet running four ranged fliers is pretty good too. I’m not surprised you’re considering switching out Valter though. Fliers tend to be really aggressive, and I feel like he’s very defensive. He’s a great duelist, but I think he works better without the other fliers. I don’t need a NY Camilla, but I kind of want one, for some reason.
Even now, I’m still amazed by how strong Reinhardt and Lyn are. My Elise is +HP/-SPD unfortunately, but even with Wrathful Staff and the Dazzling refinement, she’s not quite enough for me. I guess that horses are just so aggressive that she doesn’t have the firepower.
I love Nino. She will probably be the first unit I 5*+10, once I get a +SPD/-DEF one (I’m using +ATK/-HP now). I don’t see her a lot in the arena now though, certainly not like I did in the early days of FEH.
I’d be confident in my Olivia’s ability to tank greens, if I needed that. Regular Azura is a little more frail. I wanted her more than any other unit when we started, but by the time I got her, I never had a need for her. I do think PA Azura and NY Azura are perhaps the most versatile units in the game right now, so obviously I’m glad you got the PA Azura in the end. I was wondering about the Inigo+4…
I love the FE 8 charas, I definitely needed Myrrh *g* weirdly she hasn’t seen that much action. I should try running four ranged fliers. Not sure it would be a good balance though.
Actually I prefer having one flier who’s defensive, so I can park them in the way of harm when moving everyone out of the way isn’t possible. That’s why one usually has swap instead of reposition, in this case Valter. I should try this with my defensive Tana but I’ve not finished her build. No Lance Valor and expensive skills means it’s annoying to earn enough SP…
NY Camilla’s pretty cool 🙂 I have a Brigade that’s 80% fliers, so at least they sometimes come out to play.
They are, but at the same time I don’t find it difficult to counter them. Just annoying.
Elise is mostly along for healing with the other three, and Fortify Cavalry. It keeps the other three going. Since I just apparently love Fury too much she keeps my Cecilia and Camus healthy when needed. And the occasional sweep. Mine’s the reverse of yours, -HP +Spd.
I should probably start merging her, mine’s still zero merges but has summoner support and is still the one I send out to others 🙂 Same IVs as yours, but I’m happy with those. It’s true you don’t see her as much, but it also depends what score teams you battle. I do still see her, but not as much. There are just a lot of options these days and well, she’s ranged, low BST.
Yes, but not blues, especially with the Ruby Sword. I know Olivia’s not terribly frail, but Ninian takes some serious punishment before she folds. So if I’m bringing a lot of frail units I like to pick her as my dancer. She’s 44/45/39/26/30 and well, if I use her to attack gets 44/50/44/31/35 thanks to Light Breath+ 🙂 which buffs everyone else around the same. So, yeah, as fighters go, she’s the strongest among my dancers.
PA Azura is certainly the most convenient buffer, but I like using all the dancers. It’s easy to accumulate hero merit apart from the regular convenience. Inigo is by far the one getting the most use though. A green TA Raven dancer can’t be beat for utility in the current meta.
I’m mostly indifferent to the FE8 characters even though it’s arguably my favorite game and I think it’s a strong cast on the whole. Once I got Lyon, which I never expected, I was pretty set with them. Facing Myrrh is pretty terrifying though, especially if she runs DC over Fury.
I prefer at least one defensive anchor in all my teams really, but Spring Camilla is really tanky. I spent so much time SP grinding during golden week that I’m pretty much all set. It’s all stamina potions are good for now.
I would never run Reinhardt and Lyn on a defense team, but Xander and G Tomebreaker Cecilia cover their counters on offense. I would think I would see Nino more, since I’m constantly running low BST teams. I usually struggle to counter her. I apparently thought G Tomebreaker on Celica was necessary at one point.
I generally don’t count on any unit to tank the color they’re weak to, as a rule, though Ninian has enough HP and SPD to stay upright for sure (yours is also +SPD though). I’d believe she could be the strongest dancer. Generally, I only expect my units to kill this they’re strong against, and that’s worked fine. Although my arena team runs two colorless and in generally fine letting Micaiah tank anything from range that isn’t a Brave Bow, so maybe not.
I like that Azura’s buffs, and Drive Spd, can make most units seem viable, so she unlocks the most versatility to me. But Inigo definitely has the best matchups
Interesting 🙂 before FE 15 and Hidari, Wada Sachiko’s FE 8 designs were by far my favorites. I also just really like most of the charas. Would absolutely love to get Tethys for example. And Glen… but that’s probably really never going to happen. Lots of FE 7 charas I’d still love to see too.
Ah, so like mine then *cough* not that she’s likely to turn up on an arena defense team.
Cherche has high defense, but she’s so slow she doesn’t work well for that. So Valter it is, or in future maybe Tana or Shigure. I guess I wasn’t playing that much in golden week, though I did finish some builds that badly needed SP.
Shouldn’t Xander counter her just fine with a bit of horse buffing going on? Though your current team maybe doesn’t have a direct Nino counter. This is why I don’t like running teams without at least one unit of each color.
For VL Ike Nino’s easy prey.
I don’t really do that either, since it seems silly, but from a really good tank I expect them to be able to take at least one hit from the color they’re weak to, though not defeat that unit. And mostly in the stat they’re better in, so defense or resistance, respectively. Ninian in that regard can be a last resort if I messed up and need protection for someone else for one turn. Mine is +Atk -HP actually, but the refine is +spd.
Inigo’s the only one who currently has Hero Merit maxed out. Nino’s close behind 😉
I should amend that. I’m not indifferent to the FE8 cast. I do like them, but they’re probably one of my least favorite, if more balanced casts. There isn’t really anyone there I don’t like: Lyon is my all time favorite, and I’ve was clamoring for Glen as our first sword wyvern for a long time. Valter is Valter, and Knoll is a favorite too. I could go on. It’s a good group. It just doesn’t have too many standouts for me, after Lyon.
FE15 definitely has my favorite art (I KNOW I’ve been vocal about that) and I have a lot of favorites in that cast (Whitewings, Python, Lukas, Genny, Sonya, Saber). Of course, the Tellius cast is a different animal entirely — it’s huge, with so many exceptional characters, and so few duds. I think highly of the FE7 bunch too.
Cherche, in my experience, is made of glass, even with her HP and DEF. I try not to let anything touch her. I built two Jakobs and Henry during Golden Week, and filled most of the whole in my builds. It was…a lot.
I don’t know why I didn’t just have Xander kill Nino. I don’t remember anymore. Sothe has the range and power to one-shot Nino, which is usually how I deal with her. Otherwise, Genny can two-shot her, if somehow that matchup happens.
I’m surprised you’ve only got one unit with maxed Hero Merit. Xander, Reinhardt, Cecilia, Brave Lyn, Genny, and PA Azura are all maxed for me, and Sothe and Micaiah aren’t far behind. But yeah, it’s mostly dancers and healers after that, and anyone who’s ever been a part of a Tempest Trial bonus.
Ephraim is one of my all time favorite FE charas, couldn’t even really tell you why. I really like Innes too and L’Arachel. Rarely have I found a character as hilarious as her. I guess of the ones still missing I’d most like Forde, Tethys and Gerik from the player side. And otherwise Glen for sure. Ha, a fellow Glen fan, what a rare thing.
All in all I guess FE 7 has my favorite cast.
I generally agree, only I always stumble over the boob plates. Not because it’s offensive or anything, just because it’s nonsensical as armor goes (the shape, it’s terrible for protection) so in that regard I still prefer FE 8.
Oh yes, Python and Lukas. I’m always a little sad that most of the FE 15 charas aren’t very strong in heroes… Mathilda and Clair would clear whole maps for me easily.
I never had the chance to play the Tellius games, so I don’t have any particular attachment. I know some of the story and characters though and I’d really love to play one day.
I’ll only let her face slow blue physical units if I really need it. The speed makes her very vulnerable, but with a Fortify Fliers, in this situation the damage may well be down to single digits per hit.
I probably should’ve taken advantage of the bonus more… I just find the SP grinding so tedius. Especially without Lance Valor for lance units. Although I did finish my Oboro. And Jakob most of the way, what an expensive build…
Maybe I just spread it around a lot? I’m not sure *g* it’s probably a bit of an odd list. See, my Brave Lyn only has 780 Hero Merit, told you I don’t use her much, despite being very good. PA Azura is still playing catchup since I haven’t had her as long.
There are definitely lots of units I should be using more. But for example I don’t like arena assault at all so I usually only do that once a week for the rewards.
I guess it’s my turn to complain that my comment didn’t stick. A shame too, it was an obnoxiously long one.
Let’s see. I don’t think much of Ephraim more than other lords. He still seems like that righteous noble type to me, which is funny because I think they probably wanted to portray him more…roughly? You meet him, and he’s talking about leaving his throne and touring the continent as a mercenary, but I never really believed that, based on his personality. He doesn’t have the roughness or battle-thirst that Hector or Ike talk about. He’s actually pretty mellow in his supports as well. His conversation with Lyon in the final fight always stood out to me though. It’s really one of the few times I felt he emoted unexpectedly:
Lyon: Tell me, Ephraim: do I look like I’ve grown stronger? The last time we dueled, I was too weak to test you. Why, I was so weak, I even lost to Eirika…
Ephraim: ……
Lyon: I’ve sacrificed the lives of many good people. I’ve committed many unforgivable sins. The caring heart that I once possessed died long ago… And I’ve grown stronger because of it. I’ve grown strong enough to defeat even you, Ephraim.
Ephraim: …No, you haven’t. You’re still no match for me. You were never one for combat. It’s not in you. You should never have chosen this path.
Lyon: ……
Ephraim: ……Here I come, Lyon.
I always found equal parts contempt and sadness in that exchange, not the kind of righteous anger we tend to associate with our lords.
I’ve always liked Glen and what they did with his character as it related to Valter and Cormag. And I prefer him much more to Selena. I’m not too much of a fan of the blindly loyal vassal archetype. Other than that, Knoll, Duessel, and Joshua are among my favorites. Gerik and his band are pretty good too, certainly.
Scorched Sand might be my favorite map in Fire Emblem. It’s such a good set piece in Eirika’s route: being surrounded in the desert immediately following what happened in Chapter 14, Ephraim rescuing you, and the better, in my opinion, of the JoshuaxCaellach and CormagxValter duel conversations.
I’m pretty sure I relied almost exclusively on Alm, Kliff, Gray, and the three healers for Alm’s route. I hardly use Mathilda and Clair at all, interestingly. I still bet Clair is really good in Heroes now, based on how good Caeda is for me.
I definitely see your point about the chestplates, though they’re not as egregious in 15 as in other games we might mention. Can’t fault you for that though. I usually take more issue with the skirts, but at least those aren’t completely pointless.
I really hope you get the chance to play the Tellius games. They’re a completely different animal from the rest of the series: heavy, ambitious, political narratives with millions of characters and a ton of development. People make a lot of Ike/Guts/Berserk jokes, but it’s pretty accurate. The setting could be something out of Berserk, with less violence and more racism. Allegedly, IS got a lot of the material for the Tellius games from notes that Kaga left, which would explain how the series’ writing went from good to excellent to fanfic so quickly. In any way case, it’s a shame the games are on older consoles and cost probably around $100 each. I consider Tellius the high water mark of the series, and probably the standard it should strive for, but I’d be perfectly happy to get games styled after the GBA titles if they look like 15.
*exhale* …and you said YOU type a lot (and this isn’t even as long as what I wrote the first time, though I didn’t post the whole conversation the first time).
Anyway, it does look like my merit list is a little more top-heavy, but not too much:
Ugh you know my response here has been deleted two times now. Though, to be fair, it was obnoxiously long the first time, and I think it got longer the second time.
To try again, Ephraim kind of felt as bland as any of the other lords to me. We’re told he’s rough around the edges, a tactical genius, isn’t particularly studious, and that he wants to give up the throne to travel as a mercenary, but when we meet him, he’s still the consummate gentleman: polite with bits of righteous anger where expected. I will say that I’m quite fond of his final battle conversation with Lyon. That mixture of contempt and sadness is one of the rare times we see him emote unpredictably.
I think my favorites, aside, of course, from Lyon, my all-time favorite, are Knoll, Duessel, and Joshua, but Gerik’s band is pretty cool too, as are Vanessa and Innes. Like I said, it’s a cast, it just doesn’t have a ton of my absolute favorites. 7 has a great cast, both among its heroes and its villains.
I really hope you get the chance to play the Tellius games. They’re so different. They play the same, but the maps are mostly vehicles for a heavy, ambitious, political narrative with a million characters that is definitely unique in the series. I’ve heard they got a lot of the assets from Kaga’s leftover notes, which explains how the writing of the series went from good, to excellent to fanfic between 7 and 14.
I definitely see your point about the chestplates, though they aren’t as bad as they are in some of the games I could mention. I think I’ve said this, but the skirts confuse me more. At least the chestplates are trying to look like armor, even if they are less functional.
I guess with him it always felt something like a front? He always felt very disconnected to me, from his life and those interactions that were political and official. The only time it felt like he was really there was with certain people, like Myrrh, or when he didn’t have to fulfil his princely duties or in battle. I don’t know, I may well be projecting XD He plays the role he’s given because he feels a certain responsibility but I always got the feeling that he was pretty unhappy in that role and that it was ill-fitting to him. And I cannot recalling him ever smiling in the whole game. Ever. I actually found the heroes artwork pretty disturbing, when he’s smiling during the battle animation.
I think it came out well with Lyon. I also think it came out well with Innes, forever sad they didn’t have a support conversation. Ephraim to me seemed to have preferred to be Innes’ friend too, since as a fellow prince he’d be one of the few to treat him as an equal not his status but Innes the silly bugger was obsessed with that rivalry ^^;;
I don’t know, maybe it’s just me XD but I always really liked Ephraim.
What you say that it’s one of the few times we see him emote (unpredictably) is probably kind of what I mean. He’s very distant, it felt more like disassociation to me than blandness. A failure to connect emotionally.
Joshua is certainly very fun and Duessel is a very interesting character with very good supports. I miss those kind of supports, that add depth to the characters and in most cases not romantic in nature. Knoll somehow hasn’t left a very deep impression. I liked Syrene, Neimi and Natasha too.
I agree that 7 is fantastic. It and its characters are still my favorites.
I hope so too 🙂 they seem amazing. The writing really isn’t what it’s used to be. But don’t go dissing on fanfic XD I’ve read tons of fanfic that was better than any writing I’ve seen in Fire Emblem. Well, I guess it depends a lot on the fandom. Anime/manga/game fanfic in my experience is typically terrible, not across the board, but in its majority. But that would start a whole other discussion *g*
I’m pretty ok with the skirts for the most part. At least they afford a lot of freedom of movement. If the plates weren’t so ridiculously molded that’d be fine. Oh well.
It’s interesting to see how usage and favorite units differ between players. Only makes it clear that you don’t really need specific units but that many can be made to work 🙂 7 of these I don’t have at all *g*
Dug out the notification emails on the email account I usually don’t use, to see what you originally wrote.
You sort of made my point for me with Ephraim *g* I think if he stays king he has a good chance to end up severely depressed. That was one unhappy young man.
Glen is awesome, and I don’t think people dislike him, I just don’t think many people paid any attention.
So it’s not that he’s disliked, he’s just not popular.
As for Echoes, I always like mobility, so fliers and cavalry have a tendency to get used a lot, as well as Archers. Python and archer Tobin did a lot of the heavy lifting. On Celica’s side, the Whitewings likewise. My Leon was unlucky, but Atlas and the other dreadfighters saw a lot of use as well. Superior movement yay.
And my Mathilda was blessed with her level ups. By far the strongest I had.
I always thought Lukas and Forsyth should be turned into cavaliers, what with their color scheme *g* I might yet do it, though I’m done.
As for liking the series so much without having played Tellius. What can I say, 7 caught my heart and kept it *g*
I’ve tried playing some of the older ones, but it was always a bit tedious to play in Japanese, what with the kanji. I know there are some fan translations. Maybe I’ll try again. I got some ways into 3 (1) and 6. I never owned a Gamecube nor a Wii so Tellius just wasn’t happening for me. And I’ve always found it odd, from just how compelling they both seemed, that they sold so badly.
A virtual console version would be absolutely lovely.
I DO type a lot *g* but it seems you can keep up easily 😉
Haha which time, I wonder. It got longer somehow as I redrafted it. I went through Ephraim’s support conversations (since I don’t get too many per playthrough, and first, Ephraim and L’arachel is gold, and second, Ephraim and Eirika’s is such a waste to me. We know they’re close already. The game tells us that ad nauseum. But generally, I see your point. Many of the characters remark on how distant he is, and he comes off as pretty irritable in a lot of his conversations (Kyle, Forde, Myrrh, and Tana). I guess it just didn’t finish the narrative arc for me? I mean, we know he becomes king and does fine and that’s the end of it. In fact, the narrative they could’ve used for Ephraim, they ended up using for Joshua. He actually does leave, works as a mercenary, comes back to find his land destroyed, and grows up (though we don’t know how it ends for him either). I would’ve loved to see them spend more time with Ephraim’s character in that case, and let his struggle with what he wants to do with himself play out. A side note, he implies a few times as well that Eirika’s being there with him is the only reason he feels like he can become king at all. I thought their support would’ve been a great time to flesh that out. Instead, like you were getting at, one wonders how happy he is in the end.
I usually turtle and phalanx my way through Fire Emblem. Everyone stays together, so extra movement doesn’t do much for me. Most of the SoV cast was so redundantly combat-wise that I mostly just used my favorites. I always use a ton of mages. In one of the games, since almost all the mages are female, I end up deploying an army of small girls, which is always a sight.
Haha I mean, 7 caught my heart and kept it too. I was pretty young when I picked it up, had never played anything like it, and it just somehow caught my eye in the stores. I’ve played through 6 a number of times. It’s kind of boring since they were still ironing out the support system, but some of the maps are fun and it’s got the plot that feels like a fledgling version of what 7 and 8 offer.
It is the story of Fire Emblem itself that Tellius sold badly. If they hadn’t, its course would be very different. I do like Awakening and Fates, as much as I’m open about bashing them, but I can’t help but wonder what we might’ve gotten instead.
All of them 🙂
And this time it was my comment that was deleted again…
I like Duessel’s support with him as well. To me Ephraim has a very strong sense of duty and responsibility but very few real emotional connections with other people, which together with the twin thing explains why he’s so focused on Eirika. He’s probably quite lonely and he’s not good at the things his sister is, she’s the one keeping him level. I never really bought the “thirst for battle” line, to be honest. He sure enjoys a good fight but it felt more like the one duty he has that he actually enjoys because he’s good at it and it’s easy and straightforward. Reckless though, for sure. Well, and he did work fabulously as a one man army for me when I put him on the field.
Him and L’Arachel is so hilarious, I love that girl. And Ephraim, totally clueless, with Tana, too, or in that case, deliberate misdirection, maybe. Ah Innes… how I wish he had a support with Ephraim, that would’ve been either really interesting or at least really funny.
Ephraim isn’t a “bad boy”, not in any respect, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an inner conflict between what is expected of him and what he wants. I don’t know, I may be projecting way too much *lol*
Again, I found it very telling that he doesn’t smile once in the entire game. I paid real close attention on one playthrough. As for the future… maybe as he grew up (all the lords are quite young) he calmed down? Or maybe starting a family and having more people to feel connected to mellowed him out? I don’t know, I don’t remember if the epilogue stated very much. As for Joshua’s narrative, I don’t think Ephraim’s sense of responsibility would’ve let him truly do that when he was needed at home. Want to run away, but not do it.
As you can tell, I really like that one too much *cough*
I guess you must be a good bit younger than me then 😀 I was not that young, but I was also not much of a gamer before that. To be fair, that wasn’t FE though, that came still later. And I was a legal adult when I first played 7 in… 2005?
You know, we probably shouldn’t be surprised that one in every few comments is being deleted as we continue to throw walls of text at each other. Disqus probably did not intend itself to be used this way.
I think you’ve made a very strong case, and I think it’s supported in the text besides. I guess I balk either because I don’t trust the intentionality of the writers in this case, or maybe because the story doesn’t really engage any of these issues. Both Eliwood and Hector have very clear character growth subplots that play out across their respective stories and through conversations with other characters, some of which are hidden or require multiple playthroughs. Ephraim doesn’t get any of that, and Marth, Roy, Lyn, and Chrom don’t either, which is why I relegate them to the pile of bland lords. Even Eirika gets a little bit of development because the plot and events of Sacred Stones affect her emotionally whereas Ephraim keeps them at a distance.
I did miss an important piece from Ephraim’s A support with Kyle, where he bluntly says he doesn’t feel affection for people (other than Forde, Kyle, Seth, Duessel, and Eirika) because of how he was raised. It’s interesting to compare that to Eirika and the qualities of hers that are considered laudable. It makes me wonder about how they were raised. When you talk about a potential grown-up version of Ephraim, I can’t help but picture him becoming a Vigarde or Rudolf: great leaders and soldiers whose failures with human relationships ended up doing great harm to their kingdoms and those around them.
Blazing Blade came out in 2003 actually, or 2004 depending on where you are (doesn’t mean you played it then though), and I remember plucking it off a shelf, so, yeah, I was probably nine. I will never know why I thought it was a good idea for me to pick that game up then, but I will always be quite glad I did.
One probably *should* play defensively in Fire Emblem and field a diverse army, but somehow, I always end up rolling through the maps with an army of child mages…Fire Emblem as a whole seems to dislike the archer class. There just aren’t many great archers in the series, except in Fates and Radiant Dawn. In Radiant Dawn, the archer promotion can attack from three spaces away and two of your archers have just broken stats. It’s ridiculous.
I am relatively new to the internet and the concept of fandoms. I’ve read a webcomic here or there but that’s about it. So I’m constantly learning that people can put out excellent work through non-industry channels. I think it’s the sheer number of complex characters that makes Tellius stand out. It’s not even that it’s different from other Fire Emblem games in that regard, rather it’s that there are so many worthwhile ones, and the world they live in is richer than the series has otherwise given us. Even Ike is fascinating, and I could gush about Micaiah forever.
You’ve probably seen it, but this is the tagline quote the wiki gives her:
“If that’s what it takes to be just, then I want nothing to do with justice. I’d rather be hated and feared like Mad King Ashnard. I’d rather the dark god take my soul. I’m going to save my people, Sothe. If the rest of the world paints me as a beast to be reviled and hated, so be it.”
I think that makes it clear we’re not in traditional Fire Emblem lord territory.
I was prepared. I saved my comment. I wonder when they’re deleted through, because I usually check back if I can a little bit after I post to see if it stuck…
I think you’ve made a very strong case, and I think it’s supported in the text besides. I guess I balk either because I don’t trust the intentionality of the writers in this case, or maybe because the story doesn’t really engage any of these issues. Both Eliwood and Hector have very clear character growth subplots that play out across their respective stories and through conversations with other characters, some of which are hidden or require multiple playthroughs. Ephraim doesn’t get any of that, and Marth, Roy, Lyn, and Chrom don’t either, which is why I relegate them to the pile of bland lords. Even Eirika gets a little bit of development because the plot and events of Sacred Stones affect her emotionally whereas Ephraim keeps them at a distance.
I did miss an important piece from Ephraim’s A support with Kyle, where he bluntly says he doesn’t feel affection for people (other than Forde, Kyle, Seth, Duessel, and Eirika) because of how he was raised. It’s interesting to compare that to Eirika and the qualities of hers that are considered laudable. It makes me wonder about how they were raised. When you talk about a potential grown-up version of Ephraim, I can’t help but picture him becoming a Vigarde or Rudolf: great leaders and soldiers whose failures with human relationships ended up doing great harm to their kingdoms and those around them.
Blazing Blade came out in 2003 actually, or 2004 depending on where you are (doesn’t mean you played it then though), and I remember plucking it off a shelf, so, yeah, I was probably nine. I will never know why I thought it was a good idea for me to pick that game up then, but I will always be quite glad I did.
One probably *should* play defensively in Fire Emblem and field a diverse army, but somehow, I always end up rolling through the maps with an army of child mages…Fire Emblem as a whole seems to dislike the archer class. There just aren’t many great archers in the series, except in Fates and Radiant Dawn. In Radiant Dawn, the archer promotion can attack from three spaces away and two of your archers have just broken stats. It’s ridiculous.
I am relatively new to the internet and the concept of fandoms. I’ve read a webcomic here or there but that’s about it. So I’m constantly learning that people can put out excellent work through non-industry channels. I think it’s the sheer number of complex characters that makes Tellius stand out. It’s not even that it’s different from other Fire Emblem games in that regard, rather it’s that there are so many worthwhile ones, and the world they live in is richer than the series has otherwise given us. Even Ike is fascinating, and I could gush about Micaiah forever.
You’ve probably seen it, but this is the tagline quote the wiki gives her
“If that’s what it takes to be just, then I want nothing to do with justice. I’d rather be hated and feared like Mad King Ashnard. I’d rather the dark god take my soul. I’m going to save my people, Sothe. If the rest of the world paints me as a beast to be reviled and hated, so be it.”
I think that makes it clear we’re not in traditional Fire Emblem territory.
I’m definitely not going to argue with you on Eliwood and Hector, I love those two very much. In fact Hector is probably my real all time favorite. Otherwise, well, it’s a good thing we don’t all have the same favorites, right^^
The interesting thing about that Kyle support is that I got that vibe from Ephraim long, long before I ever read that conversation. I guess I might be sensitive towards that kind of character. The disassociation seemed pretty obvious to me.
I think young Ephraim was very happy that Lyon wanted to be friends with him and his sister. Lyon was more like Eirika, and I think Ephraim admires those qualities that he doesn’t have or has been told he shouldn’t, very much. It all adds up to their final conversation that you quoted.
I really hope his very close bond with Eirika and his admiration for her will help prevent him becoming that type of ruler. Apart from that I think his saving grace might be that he doesn’t really seem to care about political power.
But maybe it’s all just wishful thinking because I like him XD I still think there’s a chance he might be very unhappy in the long run :/
Wow that was young. I tried to place it and 2005 makes the most sense in my case. Anyway, so you’re probably somewhere between 8-10 years younger than me 😉
I’ve certainly had some late game FE 7 maps devolve into “just put Nino there and watch her kill everything” so I can relate. I don’t know, archers have always been good for me, just take a bit more care to employ effectively. In FE 7 for example my Rebecca usually turns out a true beast.
Well, I can only hope I’ll get to play them at some point.
And that’s definitely not the most usual approach of an FE lord.
I think part of it is an age thing for me, based on when I played Sacred Stones and the impression it left at that time. I mean, I thought Eliwood was pretty boring until fairly recently. I wouldn’t say that now. I never thought Hector was boring, though I don’t really relate to him. He just kind of lays it all out there for the most part. I don’t actually remember if I’ve gotten the Hector and Lyn boat scene (I’ll be honest, I kind of like them as a pair — it’s a shame their support conversations are underwhelming). But anyway, I’m not surprised I didn’t think of Ephraim that way at the time and that I’m able to see that perspective now.
Unfortunately for him though, Vigarde and Rudolf didn’t overtly care about political power either. It was arguably their station and sense of duty that caused problems for each of them (certainly true of Rudolf. While we generally know Vigarde to have been a great man, it might just be he was not well-equipped to be the parent Lyon needed). I really like the Rudolf comparison the more I think about it, at least as I think about their personal lives. Politically they’d be quite different. In any case, I like to believe Ephraim finds his happiness with L’arachel. She’ll keep him on his toes, not that I can ever really see him separating from Eirika.
I have entered Chapter 25 with a Rebecca with 12 STR and 28 SPD. That might an extreme example, but it is not an outlier case for me. I generally get more out of Neimi, who is usually effective, if unremarkable. FE7 has given me some truly bizarre growth rates over the years. I’ve had some truly dreadful Eliwoods and in many cases Hector has been my fastest, and strongest, and tankiest, and so on… lord. My very first playthrough, I used Marcus, because I didn’t know any better, and found later that I got some unnaturally good growths out of him. It’s not a matter of if Sain will cap his STR as a Cavalier, but when. I could go on.
I thought it was really funny when you mentioned that Ephraim never smiles (he might during his supports with Eirika and Duessel), that was something you looked for, because I describe Micaiah the same way. I joke I’m waiting for any sort of Micaiah Heroes alt just so I can see the poor girl happy.
That’s quite possible too, I guess.
I absolutely adore Eliwood^^ Hector is just like a force of nature *g*
Nope, really don’t like them as a pair (surprise~) but some of their interactions are quite funny nonetheless. They certainly clash well.
With L’Arachel, huh? XD Well, can’t complain. Tana was really a bit… weird, about Ephraim. Though I like to sometimes just make Ephraim-Tana and Innes-Eirika happen so they can just pretty much do the whole Renais-Frelia thing and visit all the time. I was going to say merge the kingdoms but then I thought about Innes and thought “never gonna happen” *cough*
But I could also see Eirika marrying Seth and her ruling and Ephraim being more general of the queen’s army. Then again, I did say having his own family might mellow him. And anyway the game told us he becomes king.
And no, he won’t ever willingly separate from Eirika, nor she from him. Twins. So her influence is my best hope in many ways.
I’ve had Rebecca get pretty close to maxing her strength on multiple occasions. Eliwood usually turns out great for me as well. Hector, Hector is just amazing and a one man army.
Ah Sain, see I usually favor speed over strength and Sain’s skill is sometimes so dreadful, that I use Kent a lot more.
But for me Fiora and Florina usually turn out to become some of my best units. Have I mentioned Fiora yet? I think I like Fiora the way you like Catria *g*
I would have to switch on the game and check on those, and make no mistake, I probably will.
Ephraim’s art in heroes still freaks me out for that reason. He seems not really himself in any case, but well, that’s true for a few characters in heroes.
Yeah Eliwood has really grown on me, though I find the dissonance between his stature and his combat ability kind of funny. He’ll say things about fighting and protecting people and more often that not I’ll see straight 16s in this stats upon promotion. And it doesn’t help that he promotes too late to be useful, because even in Hector’s quest I usually promote Lyn first, since I’ve had 10 extra chapters with her, she’s almost always stronger, and bows really help with all the wyverns.Hector is probably the most powerful lord in the series in game. Ephraim could challenge him but he has such low caps that he hits them almost immediately. It’s rare that I finish Sacred Stones without Ephraim having capped STR, SKL, SPD, and DEF.
I don’t really like Tana, and I really don’t like her with Ephraim. He clearly has no interest in her, and her interest in him feels like the crush a teenager would have. At least, Ephraim kind of acknowledges he likes L’arachel. I could never marry Eirika and Innes. Innes is just so unpleasant much of the time, and his intensity seems like a poor fit for her.
Kent sort of has the Eliwood issue for me. A lot of the time his stats fall behind as he approaches level 20. My Sains usually have abysmal skill, but 20 STR, 16 SPD before promotion isn’t uncommon for him for me. Whether I use him is almost entirely based on where that SPD ends up. Florina rarely works out for me. Fiora most often does, though sometimes I already like my group by the time I get her, and I have good luck with Farina too if she can steal a few levels on the map on which she appears.
The Heroes imaginings are a mixed bag, definitely. First and foremost, I find a lot of epithets to be inaccurate, but there are some weird inconsistencies as well, like Ephraim’s perpetual smirk. Occasionally they do some pretty cool stuff though. Regular Ephraim’s speech at level 40 is awesome: he admits to feeling guilt over not doing more for Lyon, and also that his strength alone isn’t enough to solve problems. Giving us a version of Lyon either post or separated from the Demon King was really neat as well. I wish they put more effort in, on the whole. For example, they tried to give Grima a bit of backstory and motivation through his dialogue, and it didn’t really work, but I appreciate that they tried.
Yeah, I always had to side-eye him a bit when he claims that he spars with Hector and it’s mostly an even split on wins, but then, tactics and technique can play a great role and he has weapon triangle advantage. Mine usually turned out near or above 20 for all stats and sometimes maxed some, guess I got lucky. He was always very good for me.
Ephraim has weapon triangle disadvantage against Hector. But yeah, that’d be a fight to watch *g* Inside FE 8 he’s perfectly good as a one man army though. But the same is true for Hector in FE 7. At least these two are still badass in Heroes.
I do like Tana, but her crush on Ephraim is that awkward puppy love thing that doesn’t really work for a proper longterm relationship and he seems more uncomfortable with it than anything else. Still, sometimes I do it for fun. Tana was very young and quite naive, but also very sincere and genuinely interested in people and open to learning, so I did quite like her. She’s a bit freaky with Ephraim but quite nice with everyone else.
As for Innes… ahahaha, he is such an idiot. Mostly I find him funny, and I do like him. I went back to read their support and oh dear… he will only court Eirika after he can beat her brother??? a) wtf Innes? b) you know it’ll never happen unless Ephraim gets so annoyed he loses on purpose, which again, it’ll never happen
The only way I can see those two getting married is if somehow Eirika also finds his idiocy charming and puts her foot down to stop those two’s nonsensical rivalry. Which, well, Ephraim would appreciate that too.
But mostly I like her better with any of her other options too^^
Sain’s strength and speed (if usable) are sometimes pointless when his skill is so low he misses more than he hits. For me he often gets benched eventually as I have terrible luck with his already terrible skill. Sometimes Florina turns into almost a flying tank for me. Fiora does so most of the time. If I can I will field all of the fliers unless on a map with ballistae or a large number of archers.
Ephraim’s smirk is sooo weird. Yeah, sometimes they do come out nicely.
Ah, one more comment on the fanfic thing. Well, fanfic is one of the reasons I’m fluent in English so I don’t regret anything.
Yeah, in Fire Emblem terms, Eliwood might be able to give Hector a run for his money, because of the speed similarity and weapon triangle advantage, but I find it hard to believe if that their sessions would be competitive if they were simply sparring one-on-one. I don’t know whose Eliwood is more typical, but I’m quite confident none of my Eliwoods have ever maxed a stat.
And yeah, I’m talking in terms of who is typically the most effective unit in their games. I give it to Hector because his game is harder, and he can take on some ludicrous matchups if his stats break right. Ephraim is similarly a force in his game, but between horse limitations, low caps, and easier enemies, I go with Hector in both Fire Emblem terms (weapon triangle, probably doesn’t get doubled by Ephraim’s sad 24 SPD) and generally (he’s bigger).
I don’t mind Tana generally I guess, rather she doesn’t resonate with me personally. I don’t think she and Ephraim have anything in common, and she doesn’t seem to really have a grasp of him as a person (other than that he’s clearly very attractive).
I think Heroes actually did a good job of unpacking Innes, interspersing pride and a sense of duty into a character who can just seem petty and competitive in his own game. It’s also weird that he’s an archer, with that type of personality. You can tell from Ephraim’s support with Tana that the rivalry is mostly one-sided anyway. He also has some maturing to do I think. I think I’ve successfully paired Eirika with Seth and Forde before, but as I’ve said, mostly Eirika and Ephraim end up supporting incidentally. I realize I tend not to use most of Eirika’s support partners.
The issue I usually have with Florina is really low HP early on. I have also had versions of her with unusually high STR and DEF, but the HP usually limits her defensive potential, and Fiora usually turns out better (did not realize she was the oldest. I always just assumed it was Farina). I had a good Heath once, because of hard mode bonuses, but other than that, it’s usually Fiora or no one.
If you’re saying English wasn’t your first language then you shouldn’t regret anything. You grasp it better than most native speakers I encounter, particularly on the Internet.
“Horse limitations” XD I see we definitely think of cavalry differently. You’re right of course that FE 8 is the easier game. And I would agree on the overall conclusion too. It’s just hard to believe anyone could really beat Hector.
No, she just sees Ephraim and thinks “dreamy” and that’s that. It doesn’t have much to do with him. She’s very different with anyone she doesn’t have a crush on, so I wouldn’t rule it out forever, but with what the game gives us, it does make it feel iffy to pair them up.
I’ve never thought of him as petty, but he’s certainly not an easily likable sort. Yes, Ephraim doesn’t care about the rivalry. I think he’d much prefer to be friends. As Innes is one of the few people he doesn’t have a duty to, it’d be a chance for an actual connection, so I always really regretted those two not having a support, as I said before.
I usually like trying different supports on each playthrough because in the past they really added to the characters, so I’ve tried Saleh as well, but he’s one of FE8’s blandest characters for me. Seth seems to come very naturally with Eirika and Forde’s kinda cute as well. Eirika and Ephraim rarely happens for me. Between Myrrh, Duessel and his hilarious support with L’Arachel, his support slots are always full already. Eirika can support with L’Arachel too.
Yes, Florina is super frail early one. But usually it’s worth investing in her. At least for me. Fiora is better though. Nope, Farina’s the middle one. Heath can be hit and miss but I like him as a character and especially his support with Legault so I do use him.
If we’re talking chronologically English was my third, if we’re counting dialects, my fourth. But if we’re going by proficiency then definitely second. I started learning English at age 11/5th grade. Fanfic was one of the most readily available sources of reading material (and cheapest). And thank you very much.
Well not unlike in Heroes, mounted units have lower stat caps. In FE8, I think Paladins cap all their stats around 25, including 24/25 SPD, which matters when there’s a post-game. I always run Amelia as a General for that reason. She gets weapon variety, humongous stat caps, and with Boots she’s as mobile as anyone. Ephraim’s 24 SPD can be frustrating.
I feel like Tana is still childish in most of her conversations (even doing the “you hate me!” trope with Innes). Not a bad sort, but it’s hard to consider pairing her up, especially since she has some other fun supports (I really like Cormag. You wouldn’t think they would support. Tana is consistently one of my best units though, even if the pegasus -> wyvern is a strange one.
He’s kind of petty. One might consider keeping up a one-side rivalry with someone out of insecurity that he might be a better leader than you is a little petty, moreso given that Ephraim is an ally, who, if I recall, is clearly put off that Innes doesn’t like him. He also warns Tana that Ephraim might take advantage of her, and protests their arrangement if you pair them. Then there are the competitions with L’arachel and Joshua. Yeah, I maintain he has some growing up to do, but you might imagine Innes and Ephraim getting on well as they age.
The supports in 7 and 8 (and 6) are so hard to get that I think I ended up reading most of them. Plus, I don’t often use characters that support with each other, or even use the characters with the most interesting supports. Like Seth, Forde, and Duessel don’t see a lot of time in my armies typically, and I tend to use the trainees, who are kind of cute, but not the most interesting to me.
Hmm I usually end of limiting my fliers to two, more often than not two wyverns. But in 7, we get Heath too late for me to use him, although he makes life in desert chapter so much easier, especially if I’m not running at least one other flier by then. I probably should see Florina through. I don’t NEED to run all these mages. Let’s see, by the time I get Fiora, I’m usually running Eliwood, Hector, Lyn, Oswin, Lucius, Raven, Canas, Kent and/or Sain, Priscilla, Erk, maybe Serra or Rebecca…yeah I probably could be more flexible. I just go through the game the way I always have. I will probably never naturally complete Legault and Heath’s supports. I don’t even know how one would do that.
I think dialects often count. There are a lot of dialects in most languages, but usually the ones that people mention are practically languages unto themselves. You must have at least some capacity for languages then. I’m envious of that.
Your comment was removed while I was typing… so… here’s the reply, split in two for safety.
I guess in post-game it might matter, but I didn’t perceive the caps to be that much lower. But it comes down to playstyle I guess, like I said, I prefer speed over strength and that includes mobility. Amelia usually ends up a Great Knight. But sometimes a General. Yeah, but you only have one boots… Since I prefer high mobility units the ones with slower movement often end up being left behind and never even fighting, making them completely redundant for my army.
She is. Oh Innes had it coming *g*
She’s great with Cormag, that’s a really nice support. And good on the field too as they can easily stay in range of each other. And yes, Tana is strong.
Hm, to me he always felt more jealous and proud and very competitive, than petty or insecure, but it’s been a while, and I may be biased. Innes may also be a bit paranoid *g* He’s not a bad loser though. Oh he’ll want a rematch, but he doesn’t get upset about losing. Most of them have some growing up still to do, most of them are quite young. It would be nice if Innes could get over his little Ephraim complex eventually.
I’m going to try to at least consolidate us back to two threads. Things are difficult enough as it is. I can barely find the most recent comment sometimes (saying Disqus is not a great way to communicate is an understatement).
You can actually farm boots pretty easily late game, and with the twins mounted, I don’t know who I would give them to but Amelia. I usually give them to lords, since they actually need to go places (or Hector, because everywhere is better with Hector). But that gives Amelia 7 move, which puts her ahead of infantry.
Tana and Cormag is an excellent support, both in content and in battle. It’s interesting you mention growing up for them. Eirika seems pretty mature, or at least that she’s always going to be the way she is, but the other lordlings all have some growing up to do: Innes, Tana, Joshua, L’arachel, and Ephraim. Maturity wasn’t really Lyon’s issue, for all the good it did him. Contrast that to other Fire Emblem lords: Eliwood, Hector, Lyn, Marth, Roy, Ike, Elincia, Sanaki, and Chrom (we don’t speak of Corrin), and the Sacred Stones cast stands out for their immaturity.
Legault and Renault are both great characters that I don’t use, though I have gone through Renault’s dialogue with Nergal. I’ve promoted Legault, but he always paled in comparion to the RNG Asssassin Jaffar. I have never seen a character so grossly outperform his stats as Jaffar did for me. Just Silencers upon Sliencers.
I don’t think it’s quite right to say that anyone can learn languages. In some cases the amount of time required to make progress can be so steep as to be untenable or even impossible. I have some background with languages. Aside from English, I know both French and Japanese badly, but formally. But it’s equal parts embarassing and frustrating to think about how little I’ve learned for the time I’ve invested. I had a lot of fun with Japanese. It gave some really fun new ways to think and express myself, but I hit a wall, where suddenly I wasn’t grasping the grammar anymore. As much as I love the idea of learning languages (I once had designs on learning a number — German and I guess Mandarin had been next), but I’m resigned to realizing I’m probably too old to be able to invest the necessary time (which might seem like an odd thing to say to you).
You can? I thought those were limited. Amelia with 7 movement is nice indeed.
Eirika is definitely the most mature of the royal bunch.
Did you really list Lyn with that? ^^;; I can’t speak for some of those, and I definitely agree on some of the others. But I also think some of them gained some maturity during their games and others still have room to grow, although I concede they are not as immature as the FE 8 ones.
Jaffar never worked for me. Legault on the other hand, lucky cad. Otherwise I prefer Matthew. Ah Leila…
Oh it is, just not everyone can learn them as quickly or as well. If you’re forced to live in another country, you will learn unless you do your best not to.
Japanese would be my third when we’re going by proficiency. French was my sixth chronologically and I’m happy to say I forgot just about all of it, gladly. I remember the most important sentence “Je ne sais pas.” Generally learning languages formally didn’t work out great for me. Hence the French. The reason I’m fluent in English definitely wasn’t my formal education. What your description tells me is that maybe you need to find out which way it is that your brain learns easiest. I’m an acoustic learner, which granted, gives me an edge with languages. Writing down words to learn them was one of the worst things school made me do, because it had zero benefit for me.
Don’t learn German, it’s terrible. You’re definitely not too old. Of course it depends on your circumstances but I started learning Japanese not much younger than you are, ok, it was an accident, but still. And I do still plan to learn more. You’ve got your whole life, you’ll just have to accept that it’ll take longer.
And I maintain that if English is your first language you are at a disadvantage. It’s phonetically flat and limited, there are no consistent pronounciation rules and the grammar is all in all pretty simple. And it’s the most internationally useful language.
You can only get one pair of boots through conventional means, but it’s pretty easy to mess with the Lagdou Ruins RNG to generate the map that has a Boots drop (and a bunch of other great items). Obviously the campaign doesn’t require it, but it’s nice for post-game (Lagdou is still pretty hard even fully outfitted. I don’t think Fire Emblem has ever had another mode that requires the resource management it does).
Haha well it’s clear by this point that we vary in our perspectives. I think she doesn’t know what she wants, or possibly doesn’t know if it’s okay to have what she wants (to return to the plains), but I never found her as unpleasant as you seem to. I would say she’s closer to Ephraim than Innes and Tana in the sense that if you watch Ephraim and Lyn, they would pass as functional people, whereas Innes and Tana have some quirks that are pretty blatant upon meeting them. Maybe maturity isn’t the right word there.
I won’t spoil you for incredible character development of Elincia and Sanaki, but an aside on Ike: Ike is basically everything Ephraim pretends to be, but consistent and self-aware. He’s detached, poor in conversation, thinks only of fighting, and is spurred on by a desire to test his strength and by loyalty to his friends. And he knows all of this. Occasionally, you find him questioning how he is, but he is usually resigned to it. Awakening did an interesting (frustrating) thing giving us Priam, because Ike has such tunnel vision that he’s the only lord in Fire Emblem with no romantic options. They are not mentioned in any capacity through either games, and I don’t think the concept of romance or love or attraction reaches him at any point. Most people assumed he was asexual until Priam appeared (don’t worry, there’s plenty to Ike that I didn’t reveal here too).
It’s kind of hard to take your word on languages when you’re talking about learning your third and sixth ;). I always avoided immersing myself in a language because I always feared I would go to great lengths to get by without it if I did. I also probably learn best logically, which is not how people learn languages at all. I want to know all of the rules and structure, and then I’ll just fit the words and such in how I please, as if it were math.
But in any case, I find my time limited relative to the amount I would need to be passable in another language, though I concede all the comments about English you make. It is definitely flat, it takes pronunciation from other languages as it pleases, and well, I guess I would say its grammar is on the simpler end. German can sound beautiful though, and it expresses concepts that English can’t more than a lot of languages do.
Sigh…lost this one, so you’re getting the abbreviated version.
You can use RNG to generate certain Lagdou maps with Boots and a lot of other good items. It’s not necesary for the main story but useful for post-game. Lagdou is still pretty hard. I don’t Fire Emblem has ever had another resource management challenge like that. I miss it.
I think Lyn at least passes for functional, like Ephraim, unlike Innes and Tana, who have some quirks you notice as soon as you meet them. But maybe maturity isn’t the right word.
Elincia and Sanaki have incredible character arcs that I won’t spoil, and Ike is surprisingly fascinating as well. I wrote a much longer thing about Ike before, but he has a lot of similarities to Ephraim I think that make discussing them comparatively really interesting.
Matthew is a great character, but as a unit he seemed mostly all speed and nothing else, as I’d expect of a thief. His support with Jaffar is brilliant though.
I find it hard to take your word on languages when you mention your third and sixth ;). I’m a logical learner. I want to know all of the rules and structure, as if it were math, and then I’ll fit the words in afterward. I agree with your points about English, though I think German can be a beautiful language and expresses concepts that English often cannot.
Sorry for rushing through this one. I’ll admit that losing my original comment was pretty demoralizing (thought I saved it; I did not)
I went to the notifications emails but it seems you really mean lost this time and not to Disqus.
I see, that sounds like a lot of trouble to go to.
Personally I think Innes is perfectly functional, just a bit of an ass and so proud he’s going to get hit in the face by that badly at some point. Which might give him some character growth and additional maturity.
Lyn would do alright in the context of the life she grew up with, I’ll give you that, but not with what she gets pushed into, which, fair enough.
Pity I can’t do it properly then, not having played the games, and you lost your comment.
If FE 18 makes me buy a Switch (what am I saying “if”) and they come out on virtual console, maybe we will have that discussion someday.
As I rarely use thieves for fighting that speed was key. Watch Matthew dodge dodge dodge away and get those precious treasures.
All his supports were good.
You’re going to disbelieve me even more now then because Japanese was the 7th chronologically *cough* and I never said it was as easy for everyone. But, please forgive me on this, what your original comment made me think was mostly that you’re still really young. Not in a bad way, just, what do you think older people do? *g* We all learn all our lives long, not just until we leave the education system. And that can include languages. I did my JLPT N2 when I was 27. My colleague is 50 and improving her English all the time, and now that she’s helping her son with his French she gets to refresh and improve that too and she does fine, and she’s not great with languages. So… it depends on your circumstances, but you can still learn more languages at any time you want, even after retirement.
Ok, but do you know what sensory input works best? And Japanese should’ve been a good fit then. In a way German won’t be. It’s a mess. Really, you think it’s beautiful? Interesting. I’ll grant you we have some very cool words English doesn’t, but that’s true for most languages.
Hoping this won’t be deleted… I say 7th but I’ve only retained any genuine level of proficiency in 5 counting the dialect, and 2.5 of those, including the dialect, are mostly passive. I’m much worse at expressing myself in them. English is the only one where my active skills match anywhere near my passive ones.
I think it was Disqus that did it. It must have been rejected immediately. I’m learning from my mistake.
Manipulating the RNG isn’t a lot of trouble. Did you not manipulate the Tower to play maps with multiple Entombed to kill? It makes grinding much easier. Doing all the prep for a Lagdou run is fairly involved (and there’s still no guarantee you’ll survive the map of Draco Zombies at the end). Have you not tried that either? Lyon, as a bonus unit (after three Lagdou clears) can actually solo just about the entire thing, though the Draco Zombies will still wreck him.
I think I mean socially. I think people would meet Innes and kind of roll their eyes. They would find him unpleasant. They might think Tana is kind of weird. So I guess I mean that Ephraim and Lyn can better pass for normal? But it’s true there’s also the aspect of maturity that allows you to handle complex circumstances in life. In that case, I think Lyn would do less well, whereas Innes would clearly fair better. Tana would struggle here too, but I think we’re in agreement on her. Of course, I think most people would (and did) find Ike very strange, but he’s more than capable of handling difficult situations.
I am also in the “FE 18 will make me by a Switch” camp. The anxiety over FE 18 generally is very real. One thing that’s so interesting is that Radiant Dawn actually doesn’t have supports at all. It’s really incredible it has the character writing it has without them (there are base conversations though, like Shadow Dragon, New Mystery, and SoV). Of course, it also crams so much writing in that it seems to throw maps in sometimes just because it would be a VN otherwise.
Oh yeah, Matthew is more than adequate as a Thief, but so is Legault. I tend not to use thieves at all, instead relying on keys and enemy thieves to get loot. Some Fire Emblem games have maps with a lot to loot, but I never found enough on Blazing Blade maps to warrant a dedicated thief, which is good because Jaffar can’t loot chests anyway. I have so many Jaffar stories of him doing 0 damage to Limstella and Nergal and silencing them anyway. Matthew does have great supports. I’ve always appreciated that the series doesn’t directly correlate unit viability with character depth.
7! Oh my! I’m quite envious. I can’t even imagine. My Japanese and my French fight each other constantly. When I was first learning Japanese, I used to automatically substitute a French word when I forgot the Japanese one. Maybe it’s because I’m not adept at learning languages that the idea of learning even one without rigorous, dedicated study is foreign to me. So in that case (and I don’t know that you’re so much older than me that you use that on me *g*), it doesn’t look to me that *most* people have time for that. I don’t feel like I do now. While I acknowledge that my particular academic environment may not have been the best for my hopes of learning a language, having the freedom of that environment was no doubt very useful.
I don’t think I’m more inclined to any sensory input over another. I mean, I’m aware of the stereotypes of the German language, and I’ve heard some expressions that would seem to back them up, but I’ve also heard some beautifully spoken German. It left an impression on me, in any case, more than French even, which is obviously more often considered a beautiful language. It’s true that all languages have some unique expression and concepts (though my Japanese seemed suspiciously absent of them — I did learn some fun wordplay however), but I’ve noticed it more in German. It might be that I have more exposure to German and German translated into English, which is, as far as I can tell, a dreadful affair. I’ve found even good translations of German to be largely unintelligible for the subjects I was studying, and the culprit was usually that we couldn’t express the thought perfectly in English.
I think it was Disqus that did it. It must have been rejected immediately. I’m learning from my mistake (lost both my comments this time, and this one twice).
Manipulating the RNG isn’t a lot of trouble. Did you not manipulate the Tower to play maps with multiple Entombed to kill? It makes grinding much easier. Doing all the prep for a Lagdou run is fairly involved (and there’s still no guarantee you’ll survive the map of Draco Zombies at the end). Have you not tried that either? Lyon, as a bonus unit (after three Lagdou clears) can actually solo just about the entire thing, though the Draco Zombies will still wreck him.
I think I mean socially. I think people would meet Innes and kind of roll their eyes. They would find him unpleasant. They might think Tana is kind of weird. So I guess I mean that Ephraim and Lyn can better pass for normal? But it’s true there’s also the aspect of maturity that allows you to handle complex circumstances in life. In that case, I think Lyn would do less well, whereas Innes would clearly fair better. Tana would struggle here too, but I think we’re in agreement on her. Of course, I think most people would (and did) find Ike very strange, but he’s more than capable of handling difficult situations.
I am also in the “FE 18 will make me by a Switch” camp. The anxiety over FE 18 generally is very real. One thing that’s so interesting is that Radiant Dawn actually doesn’t have supports at all. It’s really incredible it has the character writing it has without them (there are base conversations though, like Shadow Dragon, New Mystery, and SoV). Of course, it also crams so much writing in that it seems to throw maps in sometimes just because it would be a VN otherwise.
Oh yeah, Matthew is more than adequate as a Thief, but so is Legault. I tend not to use thieves at all, instead relying on keys and enemy thieves to get loot. Some Fire Emblem games have maps with a lot to loot, but I never found enough on Blazing Blade maps to warrant a dedicated thief, which is good because Jaffar can’t loot chests anyway. I have so many Jaffar stories of him doing 0 damage to Limstella and Nergal and silencing them anyway. Matthew does have great supports. I’ve always appreciated that the series doesn’t directly correlate unit viability with character depth.
7! Oh my! I’m quite envious. I can’t even imagine. My Japanese and my French fight each other constantly. When I was first learning Japanese, I used to automatically substitute a French word when I forgot the Japanese one. Maybe it’s because I’m not adept at learning languages that the idea of learning even one without rigorous, dedicated study is foreign to me. So in that case (and I don’t know that you’re so much older than me that you use that on me *g*), it doesn’t look to me that *most* people have time for that. I don’t feel like I do now. While I acknowledge that my particular academic environment may not have been the best for my hopes of learning a language, having the freedom of that environment was no doubt very useful.
I don’t think I’m more inclined to any sensory input over another. I mean, I’m aware of the stereotypes of the German language, and I’ve heard some expressions that would seem to back them up, but I’ve also heard some beautifully spoken German. It left an impression on me, in any case, more than French even, which is obviously more often considered a beautiful language. It’s true that all languages have some unique expression and concepts (though my Japanese seemed suspiciously absent of them — I did learn some fun wordplay however), but I’ve noticed it more in German. It might be that I have more exposure to German and German translated into English, which is, as far as I can tell, a dreadful affair. I’ve found even good translations of German to be largely unintelligible for the subjects I was studying, and the culprit was usually that we couldn’t express the thought perfectly in English.
Disqus really seems to hate you right now… saw your replies in email notifications but they just don’t seem to stick… would ask for an email to continue the conversation because I’m really enjoying it but I know typing out an email online is just asking for trouble…
Yeah, I think I tried about four times total. It’s easier because I save the comments when I type them, but there’s at least a 20-minute delay between when I comment and when they disappear, and it’s not like I’m just sitting at my computer watching them. I really liked those comments too… 😀
I’m sure we can think of something if you want to continue the conversation. I’m also really enjoying it (and it’s been almost two weeks already somehow). Are you familiar with Discord? That seems like an easy way to go about it. It has a DM feature for one, which I would say is the primary benefit for our purposes.
I liked them too, but I fear my replies would get just as lengthy.
Wow, didn’t even realize that.
I’m not, but I’m positive I can work it out. Any Discord in particular? And I think this is where we might get into some trouble with timezones.
Well, in spite my suggesting it, I’m not completely familiar with all its workings myself. But I understand that you can join it (through either a mobile or desktop app), and then just friend request someone through their tag (mine is the same. I try to use this one for everything if I can).
I don’t think you need to be a part of any specific servers to use that feature (I’m only in a few), and while anyone can create one, I’m not sure if there’s any particular advantage to having a whole server for a couple people. In any case, I have friends who use Discord but who aren’t in any of the same servers I’m in, and we’re still “friends” in Discord.
The primary advantage, as I said, is that there’s a DM feature (with a very, very good search feature). The other advantage is that it’s private, so if we try it, and you don’t like it, then I can just give you my email there and we can resort to more conventional means.
I’m not really worried about timezones, since it hasn’t seemed like an issue so far, unless I’m not thinking of something.
Hey, sorry, I’ve been really busy the last few days and barely glancing at a pc in passing. I’ll try to find some time tonight after work but I’ve still got some stuff to get done. If I can manage I’ll come find you on Discord to finally reply to those comments that Disqus wouldn’t let you post 😉
I use this name pretty much everywhere as well, so no confusion there.
So they sort of re-invented and updated IRC then… I see.
Just wondering how well it handles offline msgs since I’m pretty certain the timezone thing will be an issue 🙂 I have a friend who’s only 1 hour away from me and it can still get tricky.
No worries! I’m a little surprised we were in a position to be so responsive all this time! I’m not going anywhere really, and there will be stretches where I’m quite busy too.
I think the messages should just sit until you boot up the app, or you could just leave it open, I guess. I do, and I have it on my phone, so I always get notifications and such, but you can set it up just about however you want.
The two actual Discord servers I’m in are very international. One of the guys I talk with the most is Irish and I’m the only American our my gaming group (UK, Ireland, Austria, Denmark, and possibly somewhere Scandinavian that I’m forgetting are represented). Plus, the U.S. spans four times zones and my brother is literally across the world from me. Point being, I think it should work out okay, but maybe I’ll see what you mean as we figure it out
I usually switch my pc off when I’m not using it, especially now that it’s summer and hot (I’m zero heat resistant…), and I’m someone who doesn’t look at her phone very much. I’ll even have the internet disabled most of the time. I love technology, but I don’t love being available at all hours *g* (or high phone bills)
But if it saves offline msgs properly that doesn’t matter.
Oh I’m used to talking to people all over the world, just meant that live chatting might not be the most likely to work out. And some messengers are very bad at handling offline communication, that’s all.
Btw, if you didn’t see my other msg, I need your four digit ID on Discord to be able to send you a friend request or find you.
I am also zero heat resistant incidentally..in any case, I think it should be fine. I’ve never had a problem with Discord sending messages offline. And I like said, I think we’ve been extraordinarily lucky to have been able to communicate as frequently as we have. I didn’t realize you needed the ID too (I have no idea what it’s for). It’s 0626.
I tried, but it seems I need a four digit number to send you a friend request. Anyway, I still have work to do tonight, so I’m afraid I’ll have to postpone this until tomorrow for now. Let me know what number I need and I’ll try again 🙂
this is actually part 2, see below, Disqus is not the smartest commenting system.
In replays I often purposefully grind for supports. In FE8 it’s easier since you can use the skirmishes and later the tower to do that. FE 6 though seems like it would really be a huge pain.
The supports are one of the reasons I end up using characters I usually wouldn’t.
I tend to alternate at least a little. Oswin I rarely use because of the movement. I think for me it’s more Hector, Eliwood, Fiora, Nino, Priscilla, Rebecca, Nils/Ninian, Kent, Florina and/or Farina, Canas, Lucius. And then fill in the gaps with what’s needed/fits the supports. I’ve used Erk, Heath, even Isadora, Legault, Louise, Lowen, Lyn, Matthew, Oswin, Pent, Rath, Raven, Sain, Serra, Vaida and Wil, all to good effect. And sometimes even the rest. And support helps in battle too. What can I say, Legault is another huge favorite. His supports are some of the most interesting. In some ways he was very much at the center of the whole FE 7 plot, not involved but as a witness and you learn some interesting things. Renaud is similar in that respect.
Anyone can learn languages, it’s just harder for some and easier for others. I do fall into the easier category. And I think having English as a first language really hurts your chances of picking up other languages. My best tip is if you want to learn a language, find a way to make learning it fun, and it’ll come easily over time.
P.S.: I usually run an “airforce” in FE and I like the cavalry. I makes for fun shenanigans like flanking, especially when you can block chokepoints with armor or heavy infantry. But you can also take out outliers, get to locations, etc. so I definitely always appreciate extra mobility. I like speed over strength, so that suits my playstyle more 🙂 But usually it’s smartest to play FE very defensively. Doesn’t mean those fliers and cavalry aren’t really useful though. Usually I try to keep a very mixed team, and I’ve always liked archers. It all depends on the map of course
I did comment on the other one too, but it got marked as spam again for some reason and there’s nothing I can do. I don’t know why that keeps happening.
It was something to the effect of I can’t make pivot work, armor march makes everything better and I was very happy to get Amelia back in the day (also because I adore her).
Wondering how you had no other dragons when adult Tiki, Nowi, Fae and Corrin are available at low rarity and male Kana was a GHB unit. Personally I’m only missing young Tiki. But most of my dragons aren’t built or even 5*. Fae just inherited the extra Alm’s windsweep though.
Blessings teams are:
water: Nino, Inigo, Marth and Fjorm, which is almost my arena core and to be honest mostly my TT core (although I’ve been known to run Ninian instead, only Inigo is so convenient with the TA Raven).
fire: horsie Chrom, horsie Ephraim, Cecilia and bunny Alfonse
wind: Arvis, Ishtar/Oboro, Felicia and Gunnthra
no earth team yet, only VL Ike and his best bud Raven, they need some team mates who aren’t Inigo and Fjorm. Maybe Delthea, maybe an archer. I try to choose a team which will actually benefit from the specific blessing when active.
The odd wind one is working out so well, just cleared Zephiel’s map with them. And Julius earlier today.
Never had Genny nor Micaiah and only a bad IV 4* Sothe. So can’t really compare.
Only with all those ranged units your score can’t be too great. You’ll probably have to move more towards melee if you want to stay in higher tiers. I’m dropping to 18 this week, with only 5 battles there’s no way I can go back to 20 again. In the past couple months I did from time to time. Inigo is really not helping but oh well.
Or we both need to start running armor… but I still don’t want to.
Haha you didn’t have to retype it. I get Disqus notifications, so I got the gist of it. Anyway, Amelia has basically the same stat spread as Robin, so no surprise you like her.
I didn’t mean I had no other dragons. I even promoted M Kana (and promptly forgot about it), but I don’t have good IVs for any but Grima and arguably F Corrin and Fae. F Corrin probably shouldn’t be run over Nowi and Kana, and I think it’d be crazy to run two green dragons, even if there are a number of good ones, so Grima wins there. I expect to one day have an adult Tiki and Nowi with good IVs to round out the group.
I will probably copy your blessing teams, or at least the Nino-Fjorm, Chrom-Ephraim, and Raven-Vike pairings. Lyn’s blessing is weak, and mine is -SPD, so I don’t know what I’ll do with that. She hits like a truck with her skills active, so maybe something with a lot of buffs. I pretty much need everybody to carry Reposition though. I live on that skill.
I am definitely shooting myself in the foot running all my ranged units (Xander, Reinhardt, Cecilia, Lyn or Micaiah, Sothe, Genny, and Azura), but I ran BK, Effie, Zephiel, and Hector back when Zephiel was the bonus hero and it didn’t seem to make a meaningful difference. I really don’t love running armors, but I can probably suck it up for five battles now, especially if it gets me back to Tier 18-19.
All the high level players talk about high-tier melee units in arena, and I was always thought that was weird, since ranged units seem much better, but I realize now it’s for scoring. -_-
Oh well.
I guess she does. Mine’s -def though. But just armor march, so convenient, and she’s fast. Fast armor, it was unheard of back then, apart from Draug.
Yeah, it’s a pity that two green dragons don’t make a lot of sense. All the green dragons are really good. And for the other colors there are few options and fewer who are as good as the green ones. I accidentally foddered the wrong adult Tiki once… so now I’m waiting for good IVs… never got lucky with Nowi. F Corrin can be built very differently since she’s faster than Nowi, but yeah, I guess if you had a good Nowi she’d be the better pick. Or run both, blue dragons, less worry about Falchions. But well, I’d always run Ninian then, obviously. The problem with Grima is the movement though.
Good luck finding them team mates. Water works well for me most of the time. I was considering changing Marth for Ayra but I run him mostly as a healer/buffer and to provide a Falchion when needed, so Ayra definitely wouldn’t be filling that role.
But the weird wind team is the surprise star right now. I made a lucky choice, they work really well together.
You’ll probably really have to build a team that’s specifically suited to make the most of Lyn’s skillset, entirely to support her. The blessing then becomes merely an afterthought.
Personally I don’t like having Reposition on everyone XD I like having Draw Back on ranged units, Swap on tanks. Reposition on some of the others. Fliers for sure, as they can make the best use of it.
Horses have low BST too. My score definitely went up a lot when I switched to mostly infantry melee.
Interesting you say that the armor season didn’t increase your score. I’ve not tried yet, happy with my current team. My Raven’s worth a lot in BST.
Yup, exactly. Some skills also are run for score, not utility. To that end Galeforce is doubly good.
Oh man, thinking back on when this game came out… I was using Palla and Gunter in arena XD Well, Gunter was actually my only green for some time there. He’s got almost 2000 HM, though he’s pretty terrible.
I think Nowi and Kana are clearly better than F Corrin that this point. More ATK and better mixed bulk. Plus comparable DEF, but Corrin was the equivalent of your Gunter/Palla, since she was +DEF and could wall all the swords early on. I had a random IV *4 Nino, and I pulled my current +SPD/-HP 5* Marth really early, so he got a ton of run.
I think one red, two blue, and one green is probably the best dragon combo. I didn’t know what refined Light Breath did until recently, but I would probably run Ninian with my dragons if I had her. Even then, I see a lot of TA Swordbreaker Ninians. In a perfect world, I’d probably use Myrrh in the green spot, since she has Hone already and Grima can slso be an effective armor. Alternatively, with girl Grima, one could run tactics dragons with Myrrh and two infantry. Somedsy maybe…
Blucina seems like a good partner for Lyn. I might add Ryoma for DC and Hone Spd. After that, no idea. My haphazardly assigned blessings teams have beaten most of the GHBs and the Gardens maps (except the water one with Legion that seems impossible), and in most cases they’re just a collection of good units. They hold their own in the arena too.
It’s not that my score didn’t change from using armors. It’s just that it doesn’t make enough of a difference to move me up a tier
I used to use Subaki and Jeorge lot, and then Chrom was my first 5* and saw a lot of use, and Cordelia my second 5*, who’s really good anyway. My Cecilia is still my first, so she’s very old, and my Nino actually I’ve had a very long time as well. First one had -HP + ATk which has suited me fine.
Marth I’ve only started using a lot a few months ago, but since then he has become a TT staple and caught up hugely in HM.
Yes, if I build a dragon team Ninian is definitely on it. She naturally has Fortify Dragons anyway. Mine is running Fury (I know I’m getting really predictable… I don’t actually have that on everyone or anything, just apparently my favorites?) and Wings of Mercy. Ironically, she absolutely destroys any (red) Eliwood I encounter…
Myrrh’s a flier though so unless I put the Iote’s Shield seal on her I’ll have to always be careful of bows. I’d have a really hard time deciding on a green dragon.
That’s a nice idea. My girl Grima is unfortunately -def, which really hurts her, and especially her niche on a flier team.
Blucina, Eirika or refined Falchion Marth. Ryoma’s never wrong, really. If you want a dancer maybe PA Shigure if you have one, to buff her defenses for baiting.
Which one’s the one with Legion? I have one water map not beaten and I’ll try again with Ayra once water season comes around. I’ve not focused on the GHB quests much yet.
Just checked, yes, the one with Legion is also the one I’ve yet to beat.
I see. Sometimes it can be really close though and 2-6 points make all the difference.
Scored 3508 right now, which is not terribly high, but as high as I seem to get currently… definitely not good enough for Tier 20 but seems easily enough for 19? Then again, it’s only the first day. Ishtar isn’t really pushing BST super high, but I just can’t quit my Inigo and I don’t have Shiro and don’t have Kana built, so no other blue for a bonus. And it’s Earth season, I’m not switching out VL Ike when he can be buffing my Raven extra.
Yeah, Myrrh would require Iote’s Shield. I don’t know what you’re currently doing with yours (Spring Camilla gets mine, and I’d be remiss to change that). I should’ve known your Ninian had Fury, which explains where the extra speed came from.
I faced a Vike, Ishtar, Myrrh, and Kinshinoka team earlier. I managed to beat it with my armors, which isn’t a ringing endorsement, but that seemed like a really good group team. I guess it doesn’t solve the BST problem really though.
I have both Eirika and Ephraim with buffing potential, and then I could add Nino or Katarina as well. I feel like refined Marth might fit better, though I’m sure we’ll get Legendary Marth at some point, so I should probably wait to see what his new Falchion does first (I just upgraded Lucina to the Sealed Falchion, so she’s basically Horse Chrom without the Horse. So still really good, in other words. I’m very torn on dancers now generally. They’re so great, but I’m not sure if I could compensate for their BST.
I have Klein, Robin, Ike, and Kana, of the Arena heroes. Klein is already earth blessed, so I just went with him, even though that’s not going to help me in terms of BST. I’ll probably try a few runs with Kana and Ike to see if that helps. My current team is on pace for 3463, but that includes Klein and Tailtiu, so perhaps that’s no surprise, even if the Tailtiu is merged a bit.
Right now it’s on Valter, so I guess it would go to whoever replaces him.
*whistles innocently* I really don’t have it on everyone, but it is ever so useful.
Seems nice. I guess I could even try that.
I’m starting to get the impression that merges may be even more important for the whole scoring thing. Unfortunately I don’t have heavy merges. At least not at 5*. Inigo +4 is still the highest, with only a few +2 or +1 otherwise. The 4*+10 don’t count as much and you might face some nasty merges running that kind of thing.
My refined Falchion Marth is an excellent healer/buffer so I’m happy with him already. Still, you never know. It’s a good thing I didn’t refine any of the Awakening Falchions before, since now that the Sealed Falchion is available that would probably seem like a waste of divine dew. I only ever got a pity breaking Lucina and she’s -spd so I never did anyhing with her.
If you have any merged dancers I guess it may compensate some? I mean, I’m still bringing Inigo and he’s got terrible BST.
I could use Kana, Robin, Ike, Klein, Amelia or Anna, but then I’d have to change someone other than Fjorm or not have one of each color. And well, not all of them are built properly, or even 5*. So will stick to mine for now.
Or use the newly formed wind blessing team. Slightly lower score, but does arena very easily. Beat Legion GHB with wind team easily too just now.
Oh, and my Lene misadventure continues… in only a handful or orbs I got ambushed by Mia and another Ishtar on a round without red orbs. I’m really lucky on this banner, just not for the unit I’m trying to get?
As for Ishtar, my original one is nicer, so now I’m debating on whether to fodder her for Swift Sparrow or Odd Attack Wave or to merge her. I’m leaning towards fodder but I’m not sure which skill or who to give it to. I guess Odd Attack Wave would be brilliant on Nino, but I like Drive Spd on her.
To be fair, I also put Fury on a lot of things, probably only limited by the number of Hinatas I have.
I don’t feel like merges should matter too much, since they don’t raise BST too much, unless you’re almost fully merged, but it should already be clear I don’t understand how the scoring works.
Refined Marth seems pretty good, but the Sealed Falchion absolutely powercreeped the Awakening Falchion (+4 to all when adjacent vs. +5 to all when damaged? I guess losing renewal is something, but still), so I’m at least going to wait and see.
I was just listing units I have built. Like I have Anna obviously, but she’s not going near my arena line-up. I’m surprised that wind team handled the Legion GHB. With all the reinforcements, I would think that team would have to take a hit at some point, and they don’t seem like a sturdy bunch.
I also put Drive Spd on everything. It’s great when it stacks with other speed buffs (like how my Micaiah gets 11 spd from her teammates). I would probably keep the second Ishtar around for fodder, though I don’t know of anybody in particular who might like those skills. Same with Mia in case Flashing Blade becomes useful to someone in the future. I feel for you though.
Merges don’t figure into BST at all, they’re counted separately and matter a lot. Unfortunately.
My Amelia is alright but without an all armor team I don’t want to run her. My Anna has a pretty nice build but there’s no way she can compete with Raven. Especially in an Earth week.
On the first try without issue. No one even has Reposition. It was mostly staying out of range of anything non-magical and tag teaming the Legions. This team really has surprised me with how very well it works. All the debuffs aren’t hurting either.
Didn’t even put Oboro, just Ishtar.
I never got more than the one Drive Spd to pass around, so that makes me extra reluctant to replace it on Nino. My barracks are pretty full… Already merged the Mia. I had a hell of a time finding someone for Flashing Blade last time I got a Mia (the second one), so I really didn’t see the point this time.
Huh I would’ve thought it would’ve mattered at least a little bit, since BST does change a bit, but it make sense that it counts separately too. Although, I subbed out an unmerged unit for my +5 Masked Marth (the Lucina I mentioned) and it looks only like 10 points or more each round from my preferred group and only about two from the group I was currently using. Still not getting to your score. I guess I have to play around with it more.
I’ve been testing out two armors, one with March and one with Hone, along with two other units (in this case infantry, but doesn’t have to be). You might use your Amelia that way, if you’re looking for an excuse to use her.
I believe you, but I’m still having trouble imagining it. That GHB gives me such a hard time. I doubt I would’ve been able to do that at least.
Yeah, I guess Flashing Blade isn’t necessarily that good. Heavy Blade isn’t even really used in the A-slot anymore. Same as you I guess, I have that one Lucina, my Reinhardt is +3, and then I have a few +1s and +2s, but that’s about it. I might start merging some of the GHB units I use, since that’s really why I’m holding on to them anyway. Robin, BK, Arvis, and Camus come to mind.
10 points per round is 50 in the end though.
But skills also play a role. The more expensive the (pre-inheritance) skill, the more points. Sacred Seals also count, and also count by skill “price” afaik.
Yes, I might, but green means switching out Raven or Inigo so I’m not sure I want to XD I might have a try though, not like there’s much to improve where my score is concerned…
Not sure about that. All the debuffs on that team definitely help. It means Gunnthra’s Blizzard hits extremely hard on the debuffed units. I have Res Ploy on Gunnthra + Chilling Seal. Valflame + Def Ploy on Arvis. And the Def Ploy seal on Ishtar. I know reduced defence doesn’t matter to a magic team, but it matters for Gunnthra’s damage and potentially sometimes for Felicia.
So mostly it was a matter of baiting the magic units, staying ouf of range of any physical attacker and making sure there were always 2 units available to take out a Legion.
But yes, I’m still surprised myself at how powerful this has turned out to be. That GHB used to give me some trouble too.
Heavy Blade as a Seal is definitely more appealing. Flashing Blade is only good on very fast characters with long cooldown specials or that want to trigger them every engagement. But usually they’ll want something better in the A-slot to support their stats. So yeah, merged the Mia.
Oh the precious feathers to do so. Camus would be a good project though. I guess I should focus on the units I use in arena. But that’s tricky. Raven can’t really go anywhere unless I 5* him after all. VL Ike and Inigo are very limited in availability. And my preferred 4th, Fjorm, likewise.
Yeah, but I usually make new teams based around whatever bonus unit I’m using that season, so it’s 50 points better than my standard group (which is what I was suggesting with Amelia) , but still not nearly enough to me up a tier. As you say, I’m sure skills and seals matter too, but I’m not going to start messing with my builds to find out how at this point.
I understand the theory behind the debuffs, I just kind of doubt I could do it. Although. I don’t have Gunnthra, so maybe I just don’t appreciate the strength of Blizzard.
Flashing Blade has worked for my Mia. She usually procs Luna off her first combat and kills whatever, but I guess it’s a little less necessary than Heavy Blade. I mean, if you’re fast enough to proc it reliably, then you’re probably fast enough to double, which is probably going to kill the opponent anyway, especially since the really fast units have pretty good attack too. But I don’t know.
I’ve got about 220,000 feathers. I tend to use them unnecessarily promoting new units. I really should use them for merges and maybe inheriting weapons. I feel like I should start working toward some +10s of easily obtainable characters, even if I only have enough to max out one. It’s hard to know who will get crept though…except Reinhardt. He will probably always be good.
Ah, I do it the other way around. I have my core and see which one of them I can switch for a bonus unit that season.
I think my Amelia wouldn’t really get that many points. I may try anyway since I’ve already put in my score. Still above the top 20% so should be smooth sailing back to Tier 19 next week. If you’re in 18 too right now and not going up, do you have any idea around where the cutoff is? The required scores definitely have gone up a lot over time.
The double rally skills and skills like Galeforce and Aether are worth a lot. Probably stuff like Steady Breath too.
That’s the thing though, I’ve not really done any positioning to trigger them deliberately. I’m bad at that, it just works out *g* I did Clarisse too yesterday, np. But Berkut’s map definitely doesn’t work with this team, at all. I might try with Oboro instead of Ishtar. She takes a lot of punishment to put down.
Blizzard is a bit like a reverse Bladetome. Any debuff values are added as extra damage for her, plus you can buff her, so with active debuffs on an enemy she hits so hard. Add in the debuffs just as stat reduction and you get even more damage. Simple example, enemy has Res-5 from debuff, so Blizzard hits 5 harder in the first place + 5 points added to damage. Only if speed, defense or attack are also debuffed then that’s additional extra damage, less damage Gunnthra takes from reduced attack and more likely to double because of debuffed speed. So yes, she’s only really worth it in a debuff centric team, but then she’s super powerful.
Heavy or Flashing Blade is mostly worth it on builds with Galeforce or Aether, maybe Ignis or Glacies.
I’ve used some for inheriting weapons, but it always feels a bit weird.
I guess I could try saving up for a 5* + 10 Raven, he’s common enough. Or one of the other more available characters.
Your way arguably makes more sense. One problem I’m having now is I don’t have enough movement skills, so that limits my teambuilding tremendously. I’m in Tier 17 now. I was unlucky that I happened to be in 18 when the format changed, but at only 3464 I’m near the very top of the tier, so I’ll probably be going up soon. I could probably settle for dipping between 17 and 18, and lose that one orb, but I guess that’s about 26 orbs per year that way, if I drop every two weeks.
I guess Blizzard should be perfectly analogous to a Blade tome then, since a buff to atk or a debuff to res accomplish pretty much the same thing. It helps that debuffs can happen automatically now. People were freaking out about a possible Spring Catria/Gunnthra pairing because of that.
I inherit weapons when I really want to build the character. Otherwise, it’s probably not worth the investment
I was summoning almost exclusively green recently so I got all the movement skills I needed, but you seem particularly set on Reposition. I like using that, Swap and Draw Back.
I’m pretty high myself, but I already know from last week that this score isn’t enough to go to 20, so down from 19 again the week after 🙂
Yeah, it’s definitely nicer getting 4 Orbs. I’m a bit sad I can’t go between 19 and 20 anymore, the extra feathers were nice too.
Yes, essentially, however I guess the debuffs are a little more advantageous to the rest of the team as well.
I considered that, but her res is too low so I didn’t put her on the wind team.
What people should really worry about is a spring Kagero with a Smoke Dagger + Gunnthra and a dancer, oh the carnage. Or any dagger use really, but she has good stats and maximum movement flexibility.
I did consider it but mine is -res and with LnD that puts her res far too low to make any sense on this team.
Don’t ask, somehow I ended up with all the bunnies from this year, while I have none from the last one. I guess it comes down to me really wanting a nice bunny Alfonse for that fire blessing horsie team. Can’t really complain, they’re all good. Kagero and Catria happened on sessions without green orbs.
The joke will be on me when groom Marth turns out to be the best green cavalry axe.
It’s not that I’m particularly set on Reposition so much as it’s the only one I seem able to use effectively. I can’t make use of Swap at all, and while I use Draw Back a little bit, there usually comes a point where I just wish I had Reposition instead. I don’t think one is necessarily better than another.
You make a good point. The debuffs do benefit your whole team, which is really nice. I did not think of the Smoke Dagger at all! That does sound terrifying! Although you do need to attack to use it, I guess. Still, I would totally build that if I had a Gunnthra, although I’d probably just run Sothe in that case, since the Peshkatz also buffs (the secret to my arena team with PA Azura actually. It’s not just Gravity spam…okay it’s mostly Gravity spam, but it’s a nice fallback.
I actually have all of the rabbits from last year and none of this year. I can’t remember what compelled me to do, but I pulled Chrom and Camilla at the time (and regret nothing), and accidentally pulled Xander and Lucina during their subsequent appearances (the Xander is -ATK, so I kind of regret that). The original art had so much more charm. Xander is covered in animals and Lucina’s hat emotes through her art. It’s lovely!
I kind of suspect Marth will pretty good. Maybe not Black Knight good, but at least as good as Eliwood. Since he’s a Tempest Trial reward, I doubt he’ll have anything that will make you feel forced to bench Alfonse, but since I don’t have a axe cavalier promoted, I will probably appreciate him.
Ah ah, this time your comment got deleted again. And no, not surprised, but still wondering what about a long text automatically suggest “spam” to Disqus.
Swap I generally put on tanks, so if I attack in player phase with someone frail, who won’t be able to get out of the danger zone (…) then I move my tank up and swap. If they’re enemy phase units, all the better. So it’s to me a “put someone else in attack range and protect the squishie” movement skill. Sure you can get them out of harm’s way with reposition too, but then you give up the potential enemy phase counter.
And sometimes there are no fields you can reposition to, because of the terrain, in which case you could’ve still used swap most times.
I did beat the Berkut GHB with the wind team with Oboro, I did it with earth too, but had to give an earth blessing to Lilina to make it work. Still working on Valter. Gunnthra was actually a bit of a liability on the Berkut map because of the red mage cavalier (with raudrwolf I think) and the firesweep bow knight. Valter’s map would just really be easier with fliers…
Bunny Kagero with Smoke Dagger + Hit and Run, no danger, for example. I will probably give her that dagger eventually. Although with her terrible res it’s still a bit of a waste on wind team. Felicia’s Plate doesn’t offer as much of a debuff as the Smoke Dagger, but she has adaptive damage and really high res, so that’s good.
The only (4*) Sothe I have has bad IVs or I would’ve considered him for this for sure.
I agree that the art at least for everyone but Camilla seemed nicer than this year. From this year I think Sharena got the nicest one. But Alfonse is also pretty cute if a little weird. All in all I like them 🙂
I think I’ve beaten all of them with Earth, because Vike is incredible and I think I’m also running a Klein there. I haven’t beaten Berkut, Valter, or Arvis with any of the others, I think, but I believe I’ve beaten the rest with all of them, even with my horribly mismanaged teams.
I know the theory behind Swap, but somehow no one is ever in the right place for me. Reposition primarily struggles with horses, since terrain can be a limiting factor, but it’s pretty funny to chain a couple repositions together. I think I’ve just gotten really good at using the skill…
I can’t speak on Felicia, since she is one of those units I just don’t have a good copy of (I’m not even sure what IVs I’m looking for to be honest, but she seems suitably unique enough to be fun. Her adaptive damage is always good, though now that armors have mixed bulk, it might be a little late.
I agree that this year’s spring heroes are pretty boring. Alfonse has grown on me because of the memes, and I like Sharena’s hair. Camilla and Kagero are basically the same though, and well…there’s no more to really say on that. Catria is adorable, but the costume isn’t particularly imaginative.
You’ll probably get a Sothe eventually. His IVs don’t matter too much, since he only has two stats, so to speak. Either ATK or SPD will do. You cannot use Hit and Run with daggers, as it turns out, but you could use Reposition ;). Even if you could, it probably wouldn’t make me want THAT Kagero. I struggle with the concept of a dagger flier in general. In fact, I’m very traditional with my classes. I still regard the GBA classes as canon, for whatever reason. None of these Malig Knights and Dark Knights and Dark Fliers and so on
He _is_ really good, isn’t he *g*
I’ve not really paid attention to those quests yet, but now I’ll try and catch up on them, as the element weeks come up. I only did a few water ones before.
Interesting. In the beginning I never got any reposition to inherit so I guess I just learned how to use swap well. I prefer reposition on the fliers, but even there I have swap on the designate tanky one.
+Atk or +Spd, -Def
I have +Atk -Def, 4* +10 (again), with Felicia’s plate (not refined yet, but will be), with Glacies (the refine gives cooldown reduction against mages), Swift Stance 2 (Spd/Res +4 when defending), Cancel Affinity 2 (don’t have 3), Drive Res 2 (might change for wind team as they don’t really need it) and Savage Blow 3 SS
the Plate does the usual Def/Res -7 area debuff most daggers have. Comes in at 36/42/39/17/37 unbuffed. So with Gunnthra’s blessing it’s 41 res, when defending 45, which make her a great magic tank and Glacies will hit very hard. With the refine she’ll be even better at battling and especially baiting, mages. 43 speed unbuffed when defending isn’t bad either 🙂 I invested in her a little because I had the skills and she seems like good fun. Which is true, especially with the new weapon.
I got two Sothes by now, one was -spd +def and the other -def +res, so… yeah, not great.
I knew there was something I was forgetting there with that plan *g* but I don’t think I’ll have trouble keeping flying Kagero out of trouble.
I get the classes thing, but at the same time I loved Dark Fliers in Awakening.
I think I have a +SPD/-DEF Felicia. I should give her a shot. I’ve been hoarding Dew with all these random characters getting new weapons, and I still hope use Soren one day as well. I feel like SPD makes more sense, since the adaptive damage should compensate for her ATK, and she’ll want to double to get those special charges anyway. I’m a little surprised you didn’t put Fury on her. I would probably use her as player phase unit, so I might go with Death Blow or Darting Blow. I also have a random -SPD Summer Gaius from a legendary who would surely give up Def Ploy.
My current Sothe is actually -DEF/+RES. That’s how I pulled him. I even opted not to merge him with a +SPD/-RES one, because he’s really frail as it is. If I have trouble with him, it’s having him take a hit, but he also gets a lot of offensive team support.
I’ve never been able to effectively use any of the hybrid classes. They tend to have moderate, balanced stats and don’t level their weapons too quickly. Even in Fates, I always reclass Camilla into a Wyvern Lord and Leo into a Sorcerer. I find they need the stat changes
At 5* without merges that puts you at 37 attack, but she mostly does damage via her special. And it’s still enough against most mages since their defenses are terrible. Speed is good for sure.
I mainly use her in enemy phase to bait mages, so Fury made no sense to me, especially since I never intended to put Desperation on her, she doesn’t have the damage output to make that worthwhile. This way she gets a nice boost to her speed and the stat her damage comes from, resistance.
Death Blow might be better to compensate the damage but it’s a very interesting Felicia build.
Oh what a pity, -spd on summer Gaius, his speed is pretty good without a bane.
Well, I might consider it then 🙂 But I have no attachment to him so I’m telling myself I’ll wait for one where I like the IVs better.
I’ve never really liked Malig Knight, but I definitely love the Basara class. And Dread Fighter. And in Awakening the Bride class, despite the ridiculous outfit, kicked some serious ass. That might be my archer bias though.
I will probably try the +SPD Felicia at some point. Cancel Affinity seems like a good move there. I’m torn though. I thought player phase, as I said, but having an all-purpose mage baiter might be more useful. Fury would be mostly for the SPD and RES, and it would allow you to run +ATK for a nice 43 total. But since I don’t have a +ATK one right now, I’m probably not going that route.
I pretty much refused all new classes hybrid in Fates. I don’t even know what the Basara does or who can become one (or what a Basara is). I do know I typically run Takumi, Setsuna, and Mozu as snipers in Birthright, and sometimes all three of the ninjas. Fates really loved to throw staves and occasionally tomes on some weird things.
I never used the bride, but I’m pretty sure I had each of the men of Awakening take a turn as the Dread Fighter to get Aggressor.
Mine’s already at 42 attack, but basically, she is very frail unless tanking magic and although the plan is for her not to get hit in her case I would like to avoid the -6HP from Fury. If I had Desperation on her it’d be a different story, but she’s usually not strong enough to take a full health enemy out unless her special is charged or the enemy has bad defenses, so she’d still get hit by a counter, so it doesn’t make sense to me. But I’m sure it can be made to work, play her a bit differently. She’s very good at baiting mages. And since she does physical damage, which most mages have little defense against, she makes for a good magekiller.
The Basara can use spears and tomes. Some of the characters it’s available to can take great advantage, it has nice growth rates to even out some of the characters that have specific weaknesses and it has the Rend Heaven skill which is just insane. I also liked the Merchant class, spears + bows.
It could get tricky to keep up a proper army composition with too many classes to choose from as role definitions got pretty muddy, but I also found that some of the old classes didn’t have the statlines/growths I remembered and wouldn’t necessarily fill the same roles, so I tried out all the new ones. And like I said, I always like mobility so had fun playing around with additional mounted classes, whether flying or not.
The bride was ace *g* I still have quite a few of the women in it. Maybe it’s just my thing for using archers.
Yeah, I can see why why Cancel Affinity would be better in that case. If she’s going to check mages, she might as well as well check them all. I definitely don’t have a Sharena to fodder, so I’ll have to improvise on the A-slot anyway. I have a random Dorcas lying around, but I don’t know if that’s the best use of Fierce Stance.
I was actually going to mention the merchant class as one I never touched. It felt weird in universe, you don’t actually get one naturally, unless you count the children, who I did not use in Fates, and I couldn’t make sense of its skills. Plus Snipers are excellent. I definitely didn’t know it had access to spears. If I remember right, Sage (Onmyoji) and Falcon Knight are two that don’t quite function the way they used (you strike me as someone who would use Kinshi Knights — I never have). The Priestess/Great Master classes seemed like a bust to me, because Sakura and Azama didn’t effectively make use of them. I guess I find that most characters excel more at one offensive stat, such that it doesn’t really make sense to split their coverage. The physical/staff split on some classes drove me crazy.
Virion ruined archers for me in Awakening. I never went back.
If you have anything suitable I guess anything that improves ideally speed and res, or in your case maybe attack and res, or one of those three stats, so even a plain Atk +3, may do. Fury probably would too, I just think she’s a bit too frail, but what do I know, I’ve not actually tried. Ah yes, bunny Sharena as fodder, the side effects of me going a bit crazy on the bunny banner. It was the perfect skill for Felicia though. I don’t think Fierce Stance is really worth it, probably, since it still doesn’t give her good attack. But once again, I haven’t actually tried.
Mozu is such a beast as merchant class. And the clumsy battle animations suit her perfectly as well. For skills I actually reclassed people strategically to get some specific ones. That could get tedious though.
Yes, the Falcon Knights were off in Awakening already, which is one reason I got started on Dark Fliers.
I don’t actually use the Kinshi Knights. it’s sort of tempting but I think that Fates is the one game where I find fliers underwhelming on the whole, and the Kinshi Knights in particular have abysmal statlines and growths. I like the Amaterasu skill so I sometimes pick that up, but other than that I avoid the class.
Azama is much better as a Basara, for example.
You’re right that many characters are specialized, but some aren’t, and some can turn out better in the offensive stat that they don’t use with their starting class.
Naw, I always appreciated having extra healers in a pinch.
In Awakening, Libra was fantastic at the mixed damage thing. Or well, sometimes he was much better physically than magically.
But you just said Snipers were excellent in Fates XD
And aww, Virion was one of my favorites in Awakening. He definitely wasn’t the strongest initially but I managed to make mine very good in the end. Then again, with Awakening’s limitless leveling I managed that with anyone I liked post game…
I’d probably at least try Fury if I had it to give. I think 43 ATK with Fierce Stance might be worth it if I’m committed too using her in enemy phase only. I don’t really like giving up GHB units so I probably wouldn’t give her Oliver’s Swift Strike.
I figured Mozu is your Merchant, but the thing is that she naturally reclasses to Sniper anyway. I mostly relied to spotpass or whatever to have people grind skills for me. Then I just bought them from the logbook. Of course, that leads to things like everybody having Aptitude (from hacking I guess), which can be really funny.
My issue with the melee/staff split is in cases where the units have great magic and underwhelming strength, because they have no offense with their better stat. I don’t recall either Sumia or Cordelia having the growths to be an effective Dark Flier. Cordelia in particular is let down by her overwhelming class. She usually has great growths.
I never used Kinshi Knights for exactly those reasons, and as I’ve mentioned, I’m usually running three archers in Birthright anyway. I just thought you might’ve tried, seeing as it seems to combine your two favorite things. Azama seems like he would be a good Basara, but I wouldn’t know whether he’s more useful with tomes than he would be as a Great Master, where he seems like a discount Oboro wirh a little bit of healing potential. But then, I never really used him.
I never use Libra either. I have such a bias against pre-promotes by this point in the series. Plus, unlike in Fates, my Awakening roster was slowly usurped by all the children. I meant that Virion made me never want to try an archer in Awakening. I usually see something absurd like 16/27/14 STR/SKL/SPD upon promotion.
The Dark Fliers could still uses lances, my primary concern was the improved res growth, so I could still use my pegasi the way I was used to, as magekillers. Maribelle for one could take good advantage of Dark Flier’s tomes. And of course, Galeforce is just broken. This way you could also easily pass it on to more children. My Awakening army is full of Galeforce, it’s everywhere. But Dark Flier wasn’t necessarily a final class. If we’re talking best class we’re back to bride (and dreadfighter).
Yeah, but weirdly enough I was never much into Bow Knights either. It seems I prefer my cavalry and airforce to be melee (Dark Fliers excluded).
Azama’s final class would probably go back to Great Master, but Basara could improve his stats and skills on the way for a few levels. Azama is incredibly tanky, so I’ve used him like that at times.
We definitely have different preferences XD Libra and Virion both are probably my Awakening favorites (and Panne). Libra turned into an absolute monster for me. Finally left him as Dreadfighter and he’s insanely good. Not all pre-promotes are as terrible as Jagen and Marcus and their equivalents. And Virion and Libra’s support is… something *g* I have no idea about what stats are what in Awakening, I played so long post game that everyone turned into demigods. I don’t recall using archers a lot in Awakening, it may have been a bad game for them.
And yes, the children definitely took over for me as well.
My Caeda only has 44 ATK. Granted she’s often buffed, but I have no problem with her damage. Gamepress recommends +SPD/-DEF. I guess her speed tiers matter. It also recommends both Fury and Cancel Affinity. I assume Oboro has more than 40 ATK though.
That’s true. I don’t remember which Fire Emblem game began the decline of the Pegasus Knight as a magical tank. That was most of the appeal. Bow Knights are also the quintessential class that typically seems to have bad growths and caps after 8. I don’t use them either. Magic cavalry was overwhelming until the 3DS games, I felt, and I mostly used the exceptions (Priscilla and L’arachel) for healing utility. Maribelle and Elise were really powerful offensively though.
That reminds me! You’ve never played with Clarine! In 6, Clarine (who you’ve at least seen in Heroes) is an early troubadour recruit. She has sub-25 health promoted, and usually around 12 MAG, but she is unhitable, especially with certain supports that are really easy to get for her. Late game she’ll be surrounded by enemies that will one-shot her if they hit, but they will have sub-10 hit percentages, and she’ll just chip away at them with her weak Fire spell (because of weight and tome skill). It’s one of the craziest things in the series I think.
I rarely felt like I had to change classes a lot in Fates. I mostly just go through the game and use the units I want. I tried to do Apotheosis in Awakening, but I could only grind for so many Limit Breakers. I gave up. In Awakening, I used Tharja a ton, and then Henry, with all the broken dark magic. After that, Rally Spectrum Robin and Morgan (you might not play as male Robin, so I don’t know if you’ve done this, but Galeforce Morgan is crazy. Gets a kill and then spectrums on her second move (I love Morgan). Libra seems like he’d make a good Dread Fighter. I know not all pre-promotes are bad — I use Pent religiously (and any late game mage with staff support) You probably didn’t use archers much because Virion is the only natural archer in the game…(love the character, not the unit).
Have fun then and tell me how it goes 🙂
Ah, the Oboro comment was in regards to merchant class and Fates.
L’Arachel was mostly a healer for me too, but Priscilla could do both offense and support effortlessly. Maribelle was just awesome all over.
Oh I’ve used Clarine a lot in heroes, and of course, know her parents.
That sounds like what I do with Nino in FE 7 (I usually keep the Afa’s drops for her and watch her become invincible). Only she hits harder.
I’ve not tried Apotheosis, although I guess I probably have the units for it.
I don’t even remember right now, but I guess Robin was my parent gen MVP and then of course, the kids. And anyone with Galeforce. I played through once as female Robin, and started another playthrough as male Robin (you get very used to playing as male when you’re not…) and got almost to the end but didn’t recruit the kids, so I have no experience with female Morgan. Got Galeforce on my first Robin though 😉 and a lot of the kids.
Love Pent, though I only used him about half the time.
Maybe, but I could’ve reclassed. Virion ended up a Wyvern Lord.
I…can’t imagine Merchant Oboro (and definitely not Wyvern Lord Virion). I tend to only run characters in their traditional classes with limited exceptions.
My L’arachel was the more functional offensive unit for me compared to Priscilla. I mostly just use Priscilla because I was told I should. She’s never really turned out spectacularly for me, and I don’t usually need healers in 7 once all my mages promote. I imagine that’s not the case on Hector hard, but I’ve only played that once, when I was much younger, and it was a scarring experience. I’m also not sure how you’re supposed to have it interact with Lyn’s mode. For example, having a leveled Dorcas makes Hector’s mode significantly easier to start, but I never use him in Lyn’s mode, and there’s not enough experience in her mode for all her characters anyway.
It’s hard to appreciate Clarine if you’ve only seen her in Heroes because Heroes has no dodging mechanic. 6 is a much less forgiving game than 7, (and also more extreme, which makes it fun. For example, your swordmaster could have achieve a 100% critical rate with weapons, stats, and supports a certain way), so every enemy throughout the game will destroy Clarine if they can. Nino is an endgame unit obviously, so you get less time with her, and her health is usually in the low 30s for me (unlike Clarine’s 22-26 range), so she can tank some hits. Plus, there’s just something funny about watching Clarine poke everyone to death.
Morgan powercreeps Robin more than anything that has happened in Heroes so far, but I guess that’d be true for the male one too, so it’s really only about whether you’ve tried her with Galeforce. I guess it’s true though that a female Robin will also have Galeforce, and then I think it could still be passed down to a male Robin anyway, but I don’t remember for sure. I will almost always play a game as a female character if it changes the events at all, but yeah, I’m very aware of the massive gender imbalance across gaming. I’ve done a few female Robin playthroughs.
Pent is a great character, and I find he’s always useful for his staves. I just keep him supplied with Physic all game.
Well, she’s still got a lance, so it’s not that weird. I’ll give you Virion. But at some point post game I think my initial savegame of Awakening had most characters go through almost all of their class options once… I don’t know either.
I was going to ask what class you promoted them to but then I remembered that you get no choice in FE 7 (oh how nice it was to not have to think about it). What about L’Arachel though? I’ve always preferred the Valkyrie.
I’ve never put myself through Hector Hard mode so no idea.
The no dogding thing is good and bad both. Recently I went back and finally finished Echoes after my n3DS was repaired and it took quite some getting used to the mechanics again after playing Heroes so much this past year.
100% critical is crazy *g* But then I was playing Divinity Original Sin 2 a lot earlier this year and there are certain builds in it you also definitely want to push towards critical hit rates of 70-80%.
Yes, maybe, but Nino never gets hit either. Poking enemies to death sounds great though.
I can’t tell anymore with so many units having maxed all their stats or that + limit breaker. But you’re right, I checked, I inherited Galeforce to male Morgan 🙂
I don’t actually mind playing as a male character, I just always have to roll my eyes quite hard when for once the only option is female and the predictable whining and complaining of a certain demographic starts and the “how are we supposed to identify with this” because… really…? We’re still all people and the other half of the population seems to have done fine for centuries or more. Because let’s face it, that imbalance isn’t present only in games. But like I said, generally I don’t mind at all. Rather, sometimes it can be worse to have a female protagonist written in a terrible way. But I digress, sorry *g*
If there’s a game with both options like FE where it matters I generally do both at some point as well. And Fire Emblem has been pretty good about keeping a balance anyway (if not in lords then in general cast).
Maybe it’s because the Merchant looks so dopey and Oboro is so intense. For Virion, I mean, he’s the archest of archers after all. A wyvern just wouldn’t do.
If I remember correctly, the Mage Knight and Valkyrie have identical stat spreads, so it’s really a matter of what advantages each weapon type has. I think I chose Mage Knight because anima magic is cool, but canonically she’s probably a Valkyrie, and I’d probably pick that now in case I wanted to use Purge in the post-game. It has a much better hit rate than Bolting.
I’m surprised you didn’t do Hector Hard Mode. I generally assume most (pre-3DS) Fire Emblem fans are pretty hardcore strategy gamers. It’s not *that* hard, given that I could struggle through it. I’m occasionally tempted to give it another shot, but the late maps were traumatizing. Imagine Cog of Destiny but all magic units, or Sands of Time with about 500 status staves. Blazing Blade is kind of uncomfortably easy otherwise though. I think Sacred Stones hard mode is harder than Blazing Blade’s other modes, or at least as difficult.
It’s interesting you bring up the dodging. I’m never sure how I feel about a strategy game having such a heavy RNG component, now that I’ve seen the other side. The big thing I think about is the critical rate. I wonder if Fire Emblem would benefit from Heroes’ special system. That would have its own difficulties of course, but I find criticals pretty easy to take advantage of late game, and rage-inducing when they happen to you (we all have a 1% critical story).
I think what it is with Clarine is that reinforcements appear at the start of enemy phase in FE6, so there are times where she’s surrounded by 6-8 wyverns or something out of nowhere, and she will be stuck there, and also not in any danger. And then she’ll just slowly poke them to death (or run out Fire tomes). Nino just blows enemies up. I wonder if you’ll ever meet Rutger (via Heroes). He’s the token Myrmidon in 6 and he’s usually just ridiculous. His growths are so good that he will cap STR and approach 50 HP and 20 DEF as a Swordmaster. Fir is…much worse typically.
I kind of get the “how are we supposed to identify with this?” whining and kind of don’t. On the one hand it’s disingenuous. They’re really whining about not being able to fulfill whatever power fantasy they have. So that make sense, in a way… If the only difference between the character you create is gender, then I’ll pick a male character, unless I prefer the art or character creation options for the female options more. Beyond that, I think stereotypes have me favor female characters usually. Female characters are usually written to be quieter, more inquisitive, thoughtful, even academic, and they’re often more likely to be connected to magic. Those traits tend to resonate with me more than the kind of brash, loud masculinity that stereotypical male characters have. Of course, obviously characters come in all types.
I think we’re due for a strong leading female lord, even if they’ve done a good job representing different types of characters throughout the series. Of course, now I want to pivot into gushing about Micaiah again (or Sanaki and Elincia), but I should probably stop referring to things you don’t know, especially if I’m going to keep telling you how great they are. I’m setting you up to be disappointed. I will say that while Ike is the “Lord” of the Tellius games, there are a lot of characters, subplots, and character arcs, and many seem to get nearly as much time.
Maybe it’s because the Merchant looks so dopey and Oboro is so intense. For Virion, I mean, he’s the archest of archers after all. A wyvern just wouldn’t do.
If I remember correctly, the Mage Knight and Valkyrie have identical stat spreads, so it’s really a matter of what advantages each weapon type has. I think I chose Mage Knight because anima magic is cool, but canonically she’s probably a Valkyrie, and I’d probably pick that now in case I wanted to use Purge in the post-game. It has a much better hit rate than Bolting.
I’m surprised you didn’t do Hector Hard Mode. I generally assume most (pre-3DS) Fire Emblem fans are pretty hardcore strategy gamers. It’s not *that* hard, given that I could struggle through it. I’m occasionally tempted to give it another shot, but the late maps were traumatizing. Imagine Cog of Destiny but all magic units, or Sands of Time with about 500 status staves. Blazing Blade is kind of uncomfortably easy otherwise though. I think Sacred Stones hard mode is harder than Blazing Blade’s other modes, or at least as difficult.
It’s interesting you bring up the dodging. I’m never sure how I feel about a strategy game having such a heavy RNG component, now that I’ve seen the other side. The big thing I think about is the critical rate. I wonder if Fire Emblem would benefit from Heroes’ special system. That would have its own difficulties of course, but I find criticals pretty easy to take advantage of late game, and rage-inducing when they happen to you (we all have a 1% critical story).
I think what it is with Clarine is that reinforcements appear at the start of enemy phase in FE6, so there are times where she’s surrounded by 6-8 wyverns or something out of nowhere, and she will be stuck there, and also not in any danger. And then she’ll just slowly poke them to death (or run out Fire tomes). Nino just blows enemies up. I wonder if you’ll ever meet Rutger (via Heroes). He’s the token Myrmidon in 6 and he’s usually just ridiculous. His growths are so good that he will cap STR and approach 50 HP and 20 DEF as a Swordmaster. Fir is…much worse typically.
I kind of get the “how are we supposed to identify with this?” whining and kind of don’t. On the one hand it’s disingenuous. They’re really whining about not being able to fulfill whatever power fantasy they have. So that make sense, in a way… If the only difference between the character you create is gender, then I’ll pick a male character, unless I prefer the art or character creation options for the female options more. Beyond that, I think stereotypes have me favor female characters usually. Female characters are usually written to be quieter, more inquisitive, thoughtful, even academic, and they’re often more likely to be connected to magic. Those traits tend to resonate with me more than the kind of brash, loud masculinity that stereotypical male characters have. Of course, obviously characters come in all types.
I think we’re due for a strong leading female lord, even if they’ve done a good job representing different types of characters throughout the series. Of course, now I want to pivot into gushing about Micaiah again (or Sanaki and Elincia), but I should probably stop referring to things you don’t know, especially if I’m going to keep telling you how great they are. I’m setting you up to be disappointed. I will say that while Ike is the “Lord” of the Tellius games, there are a lot of characters, subplots, and character arcs, and many seem to get nearly as much time.
I’d PM you if I could but Discus doesn’t have that feature. I’d been meaning to say this for a long time, but it always slips my mind, but here it goes. I owe you- no, to every Camilla/Tharja fan out there, an apology for how I behaved during CYL2 voting. I was acting like a shithead biggot and a prick for trying to discredit and bash Camilla/Tharja. I don’t expect to be forgiven, but you and every other fan of them deserve at least get an apology from me
All is forgiven, I don’t like holding grudges anyways. I myself am guilty of doing a similar thing to Celica and her fans and if you are one of those people, I also apologize.
I love the Laevatein is still getting some love! makes me hopeful for an eventual legendary version of her! Plus can’t wait for the livestream hopefully finally something for the secret S14 set that’ll decide to be hype for it for obvious reasons.
Thanks for the summary 🙂 Seems to be a lot going on.
I wonder what the Voting Gauntlet will be, though it may well turn out to be the brides from last year vs. whatever new special heroes are coming.
Floors 31-35 gives out about 1.31 HM and is relatively quick to boot, so I ended up farming a ton of HM for my Heroes whose HM were nearing multiples of 500. I ended up with around 4000 new feathers in the span of just over a dozen minutes, which isn’t too shabby.
If the HM gains continue to increase as the floors progress, I suspect they’ll be excellent ways to farm the HM of squishy units who can’t survive TT on autobattle.
Yeah, this exactly. It’s nice, because on days where I have trouble auto-battling GHBs, I can just do Tap Battle when I have time to HM grind. You also don’t have to level the units for the extra Merit I believe, so now we can effectively HM farm every day without Skill Inheritence needed on the difficult GHBs.
This seems very promising.
Is there any information on what disposable really means? Will they retreat and be available again on the next chapter or will they merely retreat and afterwards only be there for the story but not usable in battle? Maybe I didn’t read it closely enough, but I’m not certain what it’s supposed to mean 🙂
Nevermind, found it on the blog post. They just die like normal but they’re not involved in the main story at all and their conversations are one-note, apparently.
And you can get powerful items left behind after they die, as well as all the items they held going back into the stock.
Yeah, I wonder what Nintendo and IS think about this. We need daddy Kaga back! His work in a FE4 remake would result in a godly game, just like Holy War was back then.
I guess it’s Lucina’s turn. I haven’t used her since T&N Bound Battle, and just look at that Res. He’s on par with my +res Micaiah!
By the way, aren’t those generics based on the Deadlords?
Marth (+Atk/-Res, +7, Support): Refined Falchion, Reposition, Aether, Steady Breath, Swordbreaker 3, Drive Spd 2, Drive Atk 2 SS;
Fjorm (neutral): Leiptr, Reposition, Glacies, Atk/Def Bond 3, Vantage 3, Drive Atk 3, Quick Riposte SS;
PA! Azura (+HP/-Spd): Urðr, Sing, New Moon, Triangle Adept 3, Wings of Mercy, Drive Res 2, Spur Spd 1 SS;
Bride Lyn (+Res/-HP): (Wrathful Candlelight+, Physic+, HP+5, Dazzling Staff 3, Drive Res 2, Drive Def 2 SS
Julius had no chance against Fjorm. The problem for Julius was the cleric attacked first, reducing Fjorm’s Glacies cooldown, and the special was triggered against Julius, killing the Grannvale Empire’s prince. The others units was defeated thanks to a combined effort of all the others units.
I thought this would be hard, but nope. I had more problems with Kana’s GHB than Julius’ GHB. I only won Infernal Kana because I got L’ Lyn and L’ Robin in the Legendary Banner, and both was essencial for my victory.
+Atk Gordin ftw…I just Brave Bow cheesed my way through. If you don’t have someone like this, I highly recommend you get one, they are invaluable for these kinds of challenges when teamed with WoM dancers with spur, hone, and drive atk. Did after the 2nd try.
Oh boy, finally one I can’t just throw Armor Grima at as my free win condition. Wonder how my Alt account will fare…as for the Main, Roy should be able to tank a hit and then just kill the fool.
Haven’t tried it on Infernal yet but Lunatic wasn’t too bad. Used my main team with Tharja, Brave Lyn, Fjorm, and Inigo. I have a feeling they won’t be able to take on Infernal though. Perhaps my armor emblem team can handle it.
Infernal turned out to be much easier than I expected simply with Reinhardt, PA Olivia, PA Azura, and Sakura. All I ready had to do was pass Savage Blow 3 onto Reinhardt and give him Quickened Pulse so he could unleash Blazing Thunder more often, though I had to be wary of Julius and the daggers since they were actually capable of killing Reinhardt if I made a wrong move.
I’m really tempted to give him my Summoner Support since he’s the first unit to actually serve me consistently well for over a year.
Meh, they appear at 3* and I still have my pity-breakers Corrin and Camilla, so…
About the tap battle, I’m loving this, unlike the last one with the worst FEH original track and without actual rhythm to follow. I managed to reach rank S in all difficulties yesterday.
Those black things look somewhat like ripped strips of cloth, and in that case the left and right figures respectively looks like they’re recoiling and clutching their shoulder.
I managed to guess precisely 0/4 correct from the last Bride banner, so I’m gonna withhold from this one since I haven’t got a clue on who those two figures are, though Eirika and Lucina are strong guesses since they both have connections to the class.
Having a new Lucina so soon after the Legendary Lyn fiasco is certainly going to cause an outrage though, so here’s hoping IS can avoid that landmine
Both definitely look to be the silhouette of their damaged state, seemingly intentional to hide their identity more then previously. The right is the only one with any kind of distinct feature and that is that you can make out the ends of her hair being straight. The only one to really come to mind that matches that hair style is Rhajat. The left could possibly be Azura with what looks to be that tassel in her hair, but considering the Lyn controversy, I really don’t want them to make the same mistake with Azura. Then again, it might be Ninian, which if that’s the case…dope.
My guesses are Ninian on the left and Tharja/Rhajat on the right. The one on the left looks like she has Ninian’s hair tassle things, but it could be ripped shreds of veil since this seems to be damaged art. I can’t think of who else has long hair like that though. Well, I have ideas but they wouldn’t make much sense (Edain, maybe Cecilia)
What we want: Ninian, Tharja, Celica, Deirdre, maybe Lilina or Eirika
What we’re probably going to get: Axe Lyn, Spear Lyn, Dagger Lyn, and Manakete Lyn
I agree, but can’t help but be confused by the mad spiral thing on the left and the giant rabbit ear like shape on the left, I was trying to work out who has their hair in. Either spiral ringlets or bulky side bangs, but I’ve got nothing, Haha. Ah well. I’m guessing Sakura, For the right one or Katarina, and Elise, Emmeryn or obviously Ninian. But who knows…
My first thought was Elise and Sakura because I can see some hair resemblance and they are both very skinny (their waist). But I’ll be more than happy to be WRONG. I don’t want those two as brides, no. That Ninian tip is valid.
But I don’t care much about brides, I want GROOMS, intsys. Give Marth a fricking alt for Naga’s sake. And Ryoma. In wedding Kimono…
For people saying it probably won’t be someone popular because of the Lyn controversy: they prepare these so far in advance that people’s reaction to Lyn is irrelevant. And it’s not even as if they could choose not to release them, since they probably don’t have anybody in reserve. So it could be anybody. It could be another Bridal Lyn and they would still go forward with it, because of all the time and effort.
I think Eirika would appear on this banner, and they would put incestous jokes as well.
I wish they make a groom banner this year, but unfortunely husbando don’t sell games, waifu sells.
I lowkey want a “tragic bride” summon, with people like Rinea, Elena, Deirdre, Nyna, Priscilla, Ena, Melady (or however you spell her name), maybe Eirika (if you believe she was in love with Lyon).
… But more than that, I want grooms. Marriage Marth pls
According to what I’ve seen on social media, it’s Ninian, Tharja, and Sanaki (?!?!). One of them is pretty likely going to be a Tempest Trials unit, looking at how these usually go.
I’m stoked about the first two, I love Ninian a lot and now I’ll have 3 Tharjas to be the girlfriends of my 3 f!Robins, but… Sanaki? Really? She’s 10/13 years old, depending on the game she’s in, and making her a part of a /bridal/ banner is.. kind of extremely skeevy. Ugh.
Ninian looks pretty good, being able to support Flier Emblem even better than Airzura because she herself can use a bladetome. Her regular weapon also lets her run budget Hone Fliers if she uses Hone Atk in the seal slot, which is a neat alternative. Probably gonna pull for her, but will save some orbs to see who the Legendary Hero is first. I want more TT units, but we do have a month to get these ladies.
Also, yeah Sanaki being here is kinda awkward. She’s only 13 in RD, I think that’s younger than Elize/Sakura in Fates. Finally, Tharja joins Chrom and Lyn in the multiple seasonals club. Just, please don’t make her a legendary hero IS, 3 versions is absolutely fine. She’s popular, but certainly not “legendary” enough.
Yep, you’re right. I prefer to forget Camilla though lol. Those two also probably shouldn’t be legendary, though I suppose Azura would fit better than others.
nah 4 of everyone at least, I want the Novelty of running entire teams of one person. Before you say “But Lyn has 5” thats because the first Lyn is pretty much garbage and needed a replacement 😀
That Tharja is pretty dangerous. +3 Speed, ATK/SPD Bond 3, and clearly the ability to make flaming weapons out of too many different things; first a Candlestick and now a bouquet. I can’t say I can complain, now all three of my f!Robins can have girlfriends!
Sanaki is only 10 (PoR)/13 (RD), though, so.. uhh, it’s really suspect that she’s in here?
There’s so many better options if you wanted to rep PoR/RD, seriously. Lucia, Elincia, and Leanne all come to mind, but no, let’s pick the tiny child empress who’s really better off being a flowergirl than a bride.
don’t be daft this is the internet and a fire emblem community, better to be as obnoxious and dickish as possible or else how will it finally get the rep of worse fandom going!
Clearly you haven’t seen RPGmonger videos. Would suggest watching his content as he analyses the worst parts of every fandom. There’s a lot of shit he’s brought to people’s attention
he also hasn’t done a video on Fire Emblems racid community to my knowledge. Also he tends to overstate some problematic flaws to communities or just flat of accept anecdotes without actually checking. A good one is I think in one he states someone was given Cookies filled with Razor blades but then does actually check into it.
Tharja isn’t all that special since my regular Tharja already has several merges on her, but that’s honestly not a bad kit on her. Sanaki has some really good player phase potential, so I’ll definitely be attempting to roll her so she can pair up with my Summer Corrin. Ninian’s pretty meh and I don’t see myself using her over NY Azura all that much. Marth is certainly a sight for sore eyes, though it’s a shame we couldn’t get the meme going on for a bit longer.
Also, Sanaki’s presence isn’t all that disturbing, since the quotes from last year’s brides like Charlotte state that the girls are merely wistful for love and not in the process of actually getting married yet. Marriages arranged far in advance which typically aren’t consummated until both figures are of proper age were pretty common in real life among royals, so you can just assume Sanaki is setting up building blocks for a marriage in the distant future.
See, I’d want to agree with that statement… but Sanaki not only stands out like a sore thumb from the others because of her age, but also because she doesn’t have any interest in romance whatsoever in her original games or characterization. She gets up to a lot of mischief, including invading a boat and setting her country’s own senators on fire, but never romance.
The other two here already have pretty obvious interests in it, and along with the original 4 bride characters, all have a crush on someone and/or can end up romantically involved with someone in their potential endings. They’re all also adults or are at least a good bit older than Sanaki.
It just seems incredibly odd to have Sanaki as a bride character when, if they wanted Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn representation, there are a lot of other options that make far more sense. Sanaki being a bride character is incredibly out of character for her (especially compared to Ninian and Tharja) and seems really suspect given her age.
Yeah, even Elincia would have fit better. Or just put characters that actually are related to marriage, like Pent & Louise, Clive & Mathilda or (no joke, really) Bartre, because he has Karla.
I think this is an excellent synopsis of why Sanaki’s inclusion raises eyebrows. But, to quote the oh so condescending comment below, it wouldn’t be the Fire Emblem community if they could discuss and process nuance. But I guess a lot of people don’t value characterization or care that including one character naturally excludes another one. There are indeed plenty of PoD/RD characters they might’ve chosen instead, though I personally would’ve loved to see Pent and Louise represented.
You know I don’t comment much on here but I just wanted to put in my two cents. Those saying Sanaki is too young need to remember that FEH is made in Japan where getting married at 13 is nothing out of the ordinary plus since Fire Emblem as a whole is based in fantasy medieval times 10 is no surprise either since back in those days kids were married then too. And I’d honestly say I’ll be going for Airnian and Airnaki though I may try for Tharja just to fodder her off for her good skills.
This doesn’t really follow though. First, I don’t understand why you’d mention getting married at 13 in Japan, because that certainly does not occur. Second, Fire Emblem is mostly high fantasy, and to that end, has generally avoid challenging modern norms with a more “medieval” interpretation. That are no intentional instances of child marriage in the series that I can think of, and it’s not even completely correct to say that people were married at 10 in our own middle ages. It might not raise eyebrows the way it would now, but it was certainly not commonplace (I concede arrangements may be in place by that age).
Well I’ve only read that girls at the very least were married in Japan at 13. I’m no history buff so I might have read it wrong. As for Fire Emblem itself, thats what I meant by it being a medieval fantasy in that its more like our middle ages in real life than modern times, though I too will admit that for kids 10 and under were more likely to have marriages arranged for them than actually being married right away. Take this with a grain of salt but I think there are still some noble families that make arrange marriages between their kids when they’re still a little on the young side in today’s time though truthfully I doubt it but who knows.
I’m not defending her being all dressed up in a wedding dress, just putting my two cents in. Besides its like someone else mentioned in that Sanaki likely got suckered into wearing one like Lyn did in last year’s bride banner, truthfully I think Tethis and Sigrun decided to be rather mischievous for some reason and play “let’s dress up Sanaki”, OOC I’ll admit but it wouldn’t surprise me if they see Sanaki as a kid sister of sorts as well as their boss.
And you’re right, just cause being possibly married at 13 was acceptable in the medieval days doesn’t make it acceptable today but I never said it was right or acceptable.
… It’s fiction.
Please calm down.
Child soldiers aren’t acceptable either, yet there are plenty of examples in Fire Emblem, Sanaki included. It’s also not acceptable for someone to become an empress at age 5 either, but that happened to her, too. So many people coming out of nowhere because they all of a sudden decided they aren’t okay with her doing adult things.
Not to mention that historically, even when people were married this young, it was really just symbolic and went unconsummated for years. They may not have even lived together with their spouse, let alone shared a bedroom. And it’s not like she’s too young for romance, either.
Plus, there’s nothing to defend. It’s just a damned dress. She’s not getting married. Being dressed up as a bride=/=being a bride. KIDS DRESS UP. IT’S FINE. And considering the clothes she normally wears, it’s not hard to imagine her being interested in trying on a fairy tale wedding dress.
Who’s getting hurt in this situation? No one. Therefore, it’s perfectly fine. It’s a fictional character, and I’d honest to god prefer pedophiles get a healthy outlet in fiction than have them turn to real children because an oversensitive crowd insists on having all fiction been 100% free of anything that makes them uncomfortable.
And as I’ve said before, it is really ironic that Sanaki said “don’t get any weird ideas” and that’s exactly what so many people did. It really says more about them then it does about the game developers.
I want all 3…I didn’t get NY!Azura so BB!Ninian is definitely appealing for my Flyer team, Sanaki looks to have the least potential and it’ll depend entirely on her stat min-maxing, she’s definitely the one I’m least interested in. I can’t help but want Tharja perhaps the most so she can join the ranks of my other 2. At least we all get a free Marth alt out of this and he’ll surprisingly be my first good Axe Cav for me, I’m kind of surprised it took this long for me.
At this point, the only useful rewards are the 6 orbs, I’m well into the 10Ks for Badges and Arena Medals and over 300 for Stamina Potion, but newer players will like these things so I won’t complain.
I’m honestly so happy that we got Tharja as a bride! She looks gorgeous! I am disappointed though that we didn’t get bridal Anna. But hey, we got groom Marth! That’s something to be happy about!
So am I the only one bothered by the fact they decided to go from 4 Focus Units to 3 this year? It’s starting to really bug me that they keep doing only three at a time, especially since the Easter Banner was 4 Focus Units for a second year and the Valentine’s Banner was 4 Focus Units plus a TT Reward, so it’s not like they couldn’t repeat the idea of either Banner. Also does anyone know if we’re getting a rerun of the old Bridal Banner in similar fashion to the Easter Banner? I’ll take Bridelia over any of these three.
Well now that free Tempest units are a thing, they want to keep that going, and having 5 units for a banner might be too much to ask for. I’m almost certain they’re do a rerun of last year’s banner, I’d be shocked if they didn’t in some compacity
The difficulty here is that we just got 5 new Units for the Valentine’s Event, 4 Banner Units and Valentine’s Eliwood. Honestly, there’s no reason for the Tempest Trials freebie to match up with the Banner if you can just put that Unit on the Banner itself. They couldn’t do that with Eliwood because bar the Legendary and 4S Focus Banners they refuse to put more than 4 Focus Units on a Banner, and the Valentine’s Banner already had 4 Focus Units so that would’ve gone against their current formula for Focus Units, but here they could easily have either made another Bride Alt(I mean, we already have official art of Bride Eirika thanks to Awakening DLC) or added Groom Marth to the Banner and made the freebie, say, Merth, who most newer players can’t get and no older player will use seriously due to lack of available merges.
I only wish I had a Bride!Caeda to go with Groom!Marth. Otherwise, the one I want most is Ninian because she’ll look perfect with my Devoted Love!Eliwood.
It’s a shame Sanaki’s alt is such a controversy right now, I’m just happy Sanaki is getting an alt at all because she deserves it, she’s a brilliant character in PoR AND RD, and yeah I think she looks surprisingly adorable in her little wedding dress, not that I want to seriously marry her, but it’s a cute change considering how stern she is.
I need to say: a enemy team with a dancer and a foe with a Feint skill is annoying!
I liked Groom Marth stats, and his axe is pretty good too. It works pretty well with Fortify Cavalry, and with Hone Spd Sacred Seal makes him buff all allies stats at once. His skiils are good too, but I will change all.
Speaking of Sacred Seals… Atk/Def and Spd Smoke Sacred Seals as TT+ reward? YES! This is great! And having Marth: Altean Prince as a TT+ bonus unit makes me happy, because he is my summoner support unit!
15 orbs and I grabbed Ninian, then finished the session for a total of 30 orbs. +Hp -Atk, but that’s fine since she won’t be attacking anyway. Glad to easily grab a flying dancer!
Yay! I got a Ninian. She is +HP/-Def, which is good, not great but not bad either. I am still working for a good build for her.
For her weapon, I will keep her Flash Bouquet for now, with a spd refinement. Now she has 35 spd, and with the +4 spd from the weapon she has a higher chance to double or to not get doubled.
Her assist will be dance, of course, and her special will probably be Glimmer.
Her A-skill is Atk/Res 2, and yes… I killed a Tailtiu for it, but I also gave Ninian a Bladetome, in case I want to use her in a flying team. With Atk/Res 2, she has 42 Atk and 29 Res, which is decent.
Her B-skill will be her defaut skill, Chill Atk 3, and for C-Skill I still thinking. If I decide to use her in a flying team, Fortify Fliers is the choice. But I am plan to use her in the TT, so I could use a Hone/Fortify skill, and it will works pretty well with her bouquet, or Breath of Life, so she can heal her allies after combat. If I get a L’Arachel, I will give her Res Tactic, so she can be part of my Tactic Team.
Finally, her sacred seal is, for now, Distant Def 3 (the SS I am using to train her), but maybe I will change it for a Hone/Fortify SS. Guidance also can be useful.
Wow Ares got demoted… got a 5-star Ares and a 4-star from this BRIDAL banner. I now have a 5 star Ares [+4]. Kinda happy but… everyone’s gonna have him now. That’s powercreep, for you.
Flier Formation will be helpful for flier emblem teams, but it won’t be meta defining…I think it’ll actually be a while before they decide to hand out another meta defining SS like Quick Riposte.
Great, I don’t have any of them at 5*! Maybe I’l try to unsuccessfully get a normal Ninian for 10th time… And Flier Formation? What’s the point in doing the impossible to nerf horses if they’ll buff fliers like there’s no tomorrow?
I think that’s mostly because all bows wreck fliers aside from Raven builds. Unless they are willing part with an A slot, there is only one Iote seal, so theoretically they should be easier to deal with.
I do wonder if weapons like FE4’s Wing Clipper will ever come out, though.
Well, aside Brave Lyn bows are something rare to see, but is understandable.
Wing Clipper would be cool, I wonder who should wield it. Larcei? Ulster? Beowulf?
I got a Ninian from the Bridal Bloom Banner. I gave her Res Tactic and now she is part of my Tactic Team, alongside Legendary Ike, Siegbert and Legendary Lyn. I will probably use this team, because they work so well together.
My other possible team is Marth, Fjorm, Bride Lyn and PA!Azura. Marth is my main, so will be good to have him.
But I want to use Groom Marth in my team. Marth, Bride Lyn, Bride Niniam and Groom Marth will be the 3rd team.
I wanted a red orb as my free summon, but only blue and green orbs appeared, with a 3* F!Corrin.
I still need more 3 Marths for my merges, and after I complete my +10 Marth, I will probably work in… maybe Lilina, she surprised me after receive the new weapon. I will probably keep the Death Blow 3 on her, but Darting Blow is also a option, so I can make Swift Sparrow 3. If I give her Swift Sparrow 2, she will be a Atk version of Ishtar.
Gunnhtrá is another +10 project. She is +3 now.
ugh I wanted another 5* Tharja for my merge project. She’s currently +5, but all I got was a 3* Seth. He’s been plaguing me on the bridal banner and now on this banner. IS just really doesn’t want me to have Tharja.
I still think that the bug with Tharja is pretty funny to watch happen. I’ve only been able to watch it happen through videos though because I haven’t summoned her yet. Still hoping to get her!
I’m forced to use that Marth, but at least he’s pretty decent and fast.
By the way, I suspected that Loki wouldn’t be of Muspell, since everyone there has a dark tone in their skin, and that she should have other intentions. Also, our protagonists found a way to defeat Surtr too soon for him being the actual main antagonist. There must be a dark dragon involved somewhere, I think they mentioned something about that.
Now that’s a better banner. This banner has good skills, good units, a character that is represented only in this banner (Charlotte) and Marth’s waifu!
Im trying to pull for Charlotte or Caeda, but if i end up with Bride Lyn or Bridelia i wont be desapointed, so far the only units i get from this banner was Eirika SM and Nanna however…
I would love to try for a Bride Lyn, because Candlelight is amazing, but I need to keep my orbs for the Legendary Banner.
Mybe if I get the legendary hero early I can summon in this bride banner.
I want to know what IS will do for the summer. we had 2 summer banners. We will have 2 summer banners again? And what about the 2017’s summer banners return? We will have the 2 banners or only 1 with 2 units of each banner, probably the 4 best unit from the summer voting gauntlet?
Getting Zelgius on my free summon might’ve perked me up too much, because I ended up dipping into some of the Orbs I was saving for the next banner to continue my lucky streak. After Zelgius came Sanaki, so I now own every currently available RD character since Bride Sanaki is apparently her PoR incarnation.
Hopefully summer eases up on all these good banners so I can stop being tempted by them, since the other gacha games I play have big plans for summer.
Oh, now that I gave up on this Banner and used my Orbs to try for Tharja you’ll give me another chance at Cordelia. I suppose I should have seen that coming. Oh well, time to journey back to Colorless Hell…
This is actually a solid banner; Ryoma himself might seem a bit underwhelming, though we’ll have to wait and see what his stat spread is like to definitely say whether he’s good or not. Bushido seems like a let down as far as a special skill slot goes with it being in my opinion, a worse version of Wrath (the only thing it has going for it is that it doesn’t have the HP threshold requirement). The biggest thing to this banner is all the seasonal units: both Chrom and Robin are great and Flying Azura is arguably the best dancer/singer.
Plus, a lot of people have been talking about how Tiki’s breath is different from normal and pointing to the future New Powers banner, we’re probably getting a new prf Breath for Tiki, and hopefully for Adult Tiki too. Here’s to hoping my boi Odin gets a new weapon that breaks the meta.
Same, or nobody. I don’t have a lot of orbs. But I don’t have any of the red units, and all of them could be useful. Ryoma could be underwhelming though, since I like my two red fliers and his skills don’t look promising. I don’t have either Hardin or Robin, but I’m not looking to pick up another Fjorm really. But I suspect that might not be as much of a concern for you.
Same here. I don’t have any of the reds either, Sigurd is one of those that continually elude me. Although I also really don’t think I have a slot for a red sword horse open. I guess I actually have three usable red fliers, but as you know, I can use another one to even out all the blue and green ones. Skillsets can be changed.
I don’t have Hardin and I wouldn’t mind merging Robin or Fjorm since I like and use them a lot 🙂
If I try green I know it’ll be Gunnthra XD she really likes me. My only ever free summon 5* and got some more on the next occasion when I wasn’t even trying. Then again with how great wind team’s been for me, more merges wouldn’t be terrible? But again we’re at the point where I don’t have a lot of orbs either.
Pretty meh from my point of view, but then I remembered I don’t have any red flier (a -spd Shiida is useless). I would go for Innes, but I’m not risking because of Grima and Takumi.
So blue it is, my Hardin is +res and boy if he tanks mages. He deserves merges.
I am not impressed by Kinshyoma’s skills. Stance skills are used in enemy’s phase, so I need to see in practice the Kestrel Stance. Depending his stats, Sturdy Stance 2 will be a better choice. From the Legendary passive skills, Bushido is the weakest one. Kinshyoma will probably be a fast unit, so Desperation is a better choice than Wo Dao B-slot. Guidance? The only flying unit I use in a mixed team in Ninian, but she has Res Tactic. I never used Guidance, so I will switch it for a buffing skill. For me, Kinshyoma’s stats will decide if I will use him or not.
I use NY Camilla in my flying team, and she is great! Kinshyoma needs to be a really good unit to make me use him.
He’s gonna have to be pretty amazing to vie for Our Lady Elincia to bow out… A tricky one here, we’ll see.
I mean, another sword flying unit is always good, it’s not like I have much other choice in that pool. Might be good enough to use on another backup team if he’s not good enough to join my Flip-Flappers.
wow, my sister and I were literally just joking about how Merric would never get a special weapon refinement. didn’t think this would ever happen, or that it definitely wouldn’t happen this soon! She’ll be excited about it then since she made him a 5*.
I like Ryoma and I think he looks pretty cool here but at the same time I’m not too excited by it. I’m more excited to see the other units in this Legendary Banner! My only dilemma now is that I don’t know if I should put orbs into this banner or keep trying to get bridal Tharja.
Ah, excellent, I was worried I’d need to actually use my Orbs on this Banner, but nope, only Unit I might be interested in is Grima, and it’s not worth risking an Innes to go more than the Free Pull. Thank goodness, this means I can continue my Bridelia quest uninterrupted.
What a coincidental piece of news right after I get spooked by my second Young Tiki. She’s definitely the weaker link in my dragon team so it’s nice to have a buff.
I got Xmas Chrom (+Atk/-HP) and Xmas Robin (+Spd/-Atk), which are the units I really wanted from this banner. I also got a Sigurd (+Res/-HP), who will died someday, and a 4* Ares (+HP/-Def), who will be a 5 stars soon.
Nice, I pulled a NY!Azura (Neutral) and a 4* Ares (+Def/-HP). I’m just glad I got an Azura, and even more so that she’s not -Atk like 10 of the last 12 5* heroes I’ve pulled. Not sure what to do with Ares, the 36 Def is nice, but I don’t know if I want to wait and invest in a +Atk one instead.
Two full sessions with basically all 3*s… yeah I’ll stop there. I’m starting to get a superstition that my bad luck from these legendary banners is necessary to drive the good luck I tend to have on the new hero banners.
The trailer music was bait! I just wanted Alight on this map.
Got a -def +res Hardin, but I don’t know if fuse him with my other one or give Bold fighter to Grima with Quick riposte seal.
You know which units stopped me from summoning more Legendary Heroes like Gunnthrá and Legendary Ryoma? Christmas Chrom and New Year’s Azura! And to add insult to injury, they both have weak attack power! This is BULLCRAP!!
Dude chill, both Chrom and NY!Azura are better than Gunnthra anyways. Be happy yo got them, especially in the case of Azura where the IVs don’t really matter that much.
You don’t understand, kid, getting the Legendary Heroes is my top priority, and so far, I only have 2 out of 16 Legendary Heroes, 2…LEGENDARY…HEROES: Fjorm and Legendary Ike!! That’s CLEARLY not enough for my collection! It’s not fair! How come you guys have every single Legendary Hero such as Gunnthrá WHEN I DON’T?!
I don’t need a pity from a glory hog such as you! Seriously, no fair you and your kind got all of these Legendary Heroes when I only have 2! Not to mention the fact that all of you got a lot of money to buy a lot of Orbs, while I’m broke as hell! No fair!
Here I am trying to be nice about the situation, and you’re being disrespectful to everyone. Don’t assume you’re the only one who’s got it bad, I’m also a poor university student forced to work part time to pay for housing, so I don’t have the luxury to spend money on this game.
Also glory hog? What does that even mean? Stop being a dick and stop with your incessant complaining.
I’d suggest not being affable with him since he regards practically anything as a slight against him. Your patience and sanity will be better off if you stop attempting to reason with him.
I don’t think you can really complain about having 2 of 16 when this is only the eighth to be released! 2/8 is 25% of them. For a F2P account, that’s not too bad! It’s also been proved in the past that these Legendary Banners are actually really bad to pull from if you’re looking to get a specific unit….like, worse than a normal banner (and of course definitely worse than Hero Fest banners!). If you don’t care which of the units you want in a given colour, it’s not bad, but the math has shown (by people who calculate these things) that the odds of getting the specific person within the colour you want is pretty low. IS is bating us with the way they promote the 8% rate, so you shouldn’t feel too bad! I’ve thrown close to 75 orbs at this banner so far and gotten nothing. The 4* Hinata/Oscar/Selena are the best things I’ve gotten after all that…saving that reposition fodder and Fury fodder for if I get that Ryoma, but not holding my breath at this point! >_<
Haven’t gotten anyone from my first round of summoning, but it isn’t like I particularly desire any of the featured units. I suppose I’ll be prioritizing the Bride banners more since I’m getting really lucky on them.
Legendary Ryoma didn’t exactly leave a good impression considering he was the least difficult enemy in Infernal, which was easy enough in itself that my Chadhardt soloed it with a healer and two dancers. Certainly a far cry from Legendary Lyn’s maps which were properly challenging.
“She seems to be a very popular character, at least in Japan.”
…’at least in Japan’?
Also, more Lucina and Chrom? Really? Can’t we have a set focus on Emmeryn or only the other Child Units or something? I’m still waiting for more Kjelle cards and a good Noire card. Actually, now that I think about it, we have too much FE3DS already, screw two thirds of S14 and one third of S15, can we get another Manga set? It doesn’t even have to be Hasha no Tsurugi, it could be, like, one of the Genealogy Manga or something, I dunno, I’m just a little tired of all the Black, White, and Blue, since they just keep redoing Chrom, Lucina, and the Fates Royals – where’s Nichol, for example? I’d like a Nichol card, he was probably my favorite non-autojoin Unit in the whole game, and since he’s Sophie’s Paralogue Boss he could feasibly be included in a White Set showing him post-recruitment, seeing as how his data suggests he was supposed to be a bit less minor of a Paralogue Boss, what with the Crit Cut-in and all, we could use a showing of him(and the other Paralogue Bosses too while we’re at it, stop shoving the Royals and their retainers down our throats) in, say, an actual mid-story setting, and a couple generic recruitable cards would be neat too.
I know I’m probably in the minority with wanting all these obscure Units given a chance to shine, but everyone already uses all the Royals and their Retainers in Fates or Chrom and Lucina in Awakening, we’re used to them by now and most of them have two to four printings at this point. Just give us someone we haven’t seen before.
– Lyn: “I am Legs Emblem”.
Marth: “Guess again”.
– Lowen > Kent + Sain. That art is cute, with the horse eating the supplies.
– Frey… God is here…
– Now I hate Loki even more since they buffed her stats on TT. But the art is decent.
– That Robin looks like he just discovered he can spell magic.
…So Gunnthra’s screwed, and Alphonse and Anna are probably losing as well. Sharena versus Fjorm could go either way, as could Grima v Ike. Ryoma will probably lose to the winner of Grima v Ike, who will probably also beat the winner of Sharena v Fjorm.
Don’t know if I’d say there were a lot of upsets per se.
1. Ike beating Female Grima wasn’t a surprise.
2. Gunnthra and Ryoma could have done either way. Ryoma is very recent and kind of deemed a bad unit in some circles so Gunnthra beating him didn’t surprise me too much.
3. Alfonse and Sharena could have gone either way.
4. Fjorm losing to Anna I would definitely consider an upset.
Grima was more popular than Ike this VG. Ryoma more popular than Gunnthra, Fjorm more than Anna. For a while Sharena and Alfonse were in same hell. Basically what was considered to be the more popular option of each match lost
I’m still surprised that so many people like Fjorm this much. From my point of view she’s badly written with no personality, just a pretty face for Book 2 cover (no offense). Anna is not much better but Anna as a recurring personality has a history and for some people she has always been very appealing. At least one can say something about her so I’m happy it’s her who made it through. I think it’s fair that one of the original FEH trio would win one side of the VG.
I’m very upset about Ike. I’ve had too much of this guy. Bad enough he was forced on me as “the best unit in the game” ughh… I really hope someone will cut him off – be it Gunnthrá or Alfonse/Anna. He’s overrated. Besides it would be really nice if a FEH character won the whole thing n_n.
I was on Grima’s team and she had the edge for most of the round; but at the very end Ike’s team managed to get a multiplier which allowed him to go on top. That’s complete bs, if you ask me.
That sucks. Especially when this happens to someone as overrated as Ike who was finally going to learn defeat. Uhh.
I was team Alfonse but the final rounds happen always during the night for me so I cannot really help. Sharena and Al were Same for like ten last hours and Alfonse was slowly losing. So I stopped contributing in hopes he would drop and get multiplier at the right time. But from what I’ve heard, the two were Same till the very end and Alfonse supporters made a comeback without a multiplier and that makes me very happy. Al’s popularity rose greatly with INTSYS focusing on his character more. It’s so nice to see him get in top 20 in CYL and then win just by numbers when he lost so terribly back during the very first Gauntlet. I hope this gives INTSYS a proof that focusing on FEH characters and giving them more space IS worth it n_n
They sure love alts doesn’t it? Nino was totally unecessary.
Happy for Canas though, i don’t have a good Red character on my team, so he will probably be a permanent on my team if he doesn’t suck.
compared to say mirishita who has 52 characters in total, where variations of characters makes sense, random alts are completely unjustified when you look at the amount of units FE has
Personally, I’m fine with alts. However, they’re mostly unnecessary/overused in FEH. Eirikia, for example, is a nice “what if” and shows how creative they can be, but it’s the kind of alt I would expect after all/most of the playable cast/major villains were in the game.
Everyone (including myself) thought the 4 Heroes Special Maps was referring to the CYL2 heroes, but turns out it’s most likely referring to the 4 Fang, now that we’re getting Linus the set is complete.
Also, my instinct is to say that Legault is gonna become the 4* demote, but Ares (and M!Morgan) certainly broke from that pattern with the last banner so I really don’t know at this point…though Nino is basically guaranteed to stay 5* with her being the 5 skill base kit unit of the banner.
I believe Legault can be the one demoted from this banner. Both Wrath and Even Spd Wave are really good skills, and have one of them at 4* can be a problem. Legault has Swift Strike and Atk Tactic, but the A-skill is not that amazing. It’s good against mages only. I hope for 4* Atk Tactic. And The Cleaner+ dagger is not that amazing either. If the enemy don’t have buffs, it’s basically a 12 Mt silver dagger. Although, the dagger is good against cavalry, armored, flying and tactic teams, and units with blade tomes, but I would prefer having a archer or a healer as colorless unit in my team.
I agree with you about Nino staying as 5* exclusive.
Oh, my… That background music, Karla, Legault, Linus and Canas (Luna pls)… I just can take so much hype, FE7 is my favourite one after FE9/10. But they could have put Sonia instead of another Nino.
And the other banner is BS. I was actually saving orbs for Julia or Deirdre, but I guess IS had other plans.
Not too good, since he will be limited. I almost want they come out with another “Ayra”, but being avaible at 4* after the banner.
Is Katarina that great? They should start excluding some units from the 5* pool, starting with Leo, Mist and Saber.
That’s a interesting banner. Also, a new owl tome user is always welcomed, and free (I hope)! I hope we can damage Surtr this time.
Also… YAY! LET’S GO GUNNTHRÁ! LET’S WIN THIS VOTING GAUNTLET!
I love fire emblem, but this game isn’t something I want to support anymore. Yes, I realize that there are tons of gacha games out there and yes, I realize that the gacha component is completely optional, however I don’t think that makes it right. Taking advantage of addiction is NEVER right.
Furthermore, the creation of so many alts also makes me wonder if the creators even care about other characters anymore. Also the lack of interesting content is… well you know. I won’t go into further detail, (because tons of people have listed problems wrong with the game already) I just wanted to write this so I can hold myself accountable for quitting.
I believe that their silent justification is that this approach will dramatically increase the overall lifespan of the game, as they’ll have more units to introduce over a longer period of time. It’s clever through the idea of squeezing as much money out of it as possible, but also extremely bullshit.
I’ll still keep playing it even though I find it to be an overall bad game, as I can use characters I wouldn’t be able to otherwise due to being locked or outright bad. I learned to appreciate it a bit more once I relaxed my opinion of wanting it to be an actual FE experience. But I can definitely understand your reasoning of wanting to stop.
Thanks for the kind response. I agree with your first paragraph. I also agree it is appetizing to look at the game in a more relaxed sense (especially when you can use your favorite characters for free basically) however I feel that the gacha element is really what really holds heroes back from being an amazing game.
Using what you are given is what I associate fire emblem with, and thats what makes the experience fun to me in the main games and as as (mostly) f2p player in heroes. As f2p you slowly build your units up and see your progression over the months. You feel accomplished really. Summoning throws that out the window, allowing people to throw their money away, to get that feeling of accomplishment faster.
I guess I would much rather pay 4.99 a month for an FE game, then see a small amount of people pay thousands of dollars to keep it going because they are addicted to the gambling aspect of it.
The salt sure is real with Nino; there’s simply no pleasing some people. Seriously, what’s the problem with sneaking in just a single alt alongside 4 new units?
Because the original Nino is just fine. Another Nino wasn’t necessary, and they’re just capitalizing on her popularity. It means a slot that could have belonged to another Blazing Sword character.
At least she’s wearing a slightly different outfit though.
Being unnecessary is not synonymous with being unwanted; as one of the most popular Blazing Sword units who had yet to receive an alt more than a year after her initial release, Nino was an excellent pick to be an alt for the banner.
Sustainability is a pivotal factor in the continued success of gacha games, and FEH only has slightly less than 500 units across the whole franchise to introduce before the pool runs dry. Since the majority of FEH’s characters hail from other games in the franchise rather than original creations for FEH itself, IS needs to pad out the releases of new individual characters to maintain the fanbase.
This is neither capitalistic greed nor laziness; all surviving gacha games in the current day adhere to this practice for continued existence. If you don’t like it, view it as an act of compromise rather than an act of malice, because FEH’s lifespan would be shortened a great deal without these alts.
So, I can finally kill Surtr for good! But wait, that’s too soon! I didn’t get to fight Laevatein, Laegjarn, Helbindi’s sister (because I know Helbindi is dead already), and Loki one last time before Surtr! Also, I don’t see Veronica with Surtr, maybe she’s imprisoned before her execution. Not to mention there is still no Hrid, and it still doesn’t make sense that Ylgr is with the Order of Heroes, yet she’s not playable! What’s going on here?!
Now, about this new Banner… Do I even want to bother?
I’m so happy to finally see Legault in the game. I, however, think this game has a serious alt problem. Instead of making alts that are canonical and fun to pull for they simply take a unit and throw them on a pegasus or kenji and its painfully boring. The CYL1 alts were fun as hell because they were at least somewhat canonical (Lyn uses the Sacaean bow Mulagir, Roy is using Durandal, Ike is dressed as his father and uses Urvan, and Lucina is in her promotion outfit). Here are some fun alt ideas:
Old man Hector from FE6
Fomortis possessed Lyon
Hero promoted Ike with Ettard
Arch sage Soren
Swordmaster Joshua with the wind sword
Lyn with Mani Katti (and not mulagir for the third time)
Hector dressed as Durban while using Wolf Beil
Eliwood non mounted with Rapier
Raven using swords
Ogma not looking like he was drawn by a 2 year old
Robin in the grandmaster outfit with a sword
The list goes on yet we still get these half baked alts that make no sense (Eirika stealing Knolls tome for example)
Nice, Edmonton is only a three hour drive from where I live, so I may actually check this out someday.
I can’t help but be reminded of the Noseless Celebrities meme by the angle on Xander and Azura in that picture, which only makes me like this even more.
Now, with the adition of Kaze to the summoning pool, this maybe open the possibility of Tempest Trial units to be added too (except the seasonal units). Would be
cool to have units like Joshua or Gerome in the pool, because they have
good skills.
Interesting story chapter. I can see Fjorm’s brother to be added in the next update. Also, it’s good to have another easy Squad Assaut, but I would like new type of seal as reward.
And for F2P players, or players who want to use F2P units in videos, Roy and Tailtiu are good units!
About the weapon refinements… I am not sure if refined Excalibur will help Merric, but I am happy for him. The same goes for Linde. The problem we need to have more than 1 mage in the team, or a healer (which will receive a great adition with Live to Serve sacred seal in the next TT). The Tikis, in the other hand, I have a mixed feelings about them. For Young Tiki… good for her. Breath of Fog is pretty cool. For Adult Tiki… I am not sure. Without a Distant Counter skill available, I am not sure if I will trade Lighting Breath for the new weapon. Still waiting for Azura, Robin and the Askr Trio refinements/new weapons.
And I am a neutral position about acessories. Never used in Fates, and maybe this will happen in Heroes too.
Got 2 Nino, a Julia and a Nephenee from attempting to snipe greens and choosing blues when there were none in about 120 orbs. No amazing IV’s but at least my Nino merge project can begin in earnest.
Story chapter was… ok. I definitely think Fjorm’s bro is the next LH, there has been too much talk of him lately. I can see him being an axe infantry, but we really have no idea what he looks like as of now. Interesting to see what this “Rite of Flames” is all about though. At least Surtr hasn’t gone down like a total chump yet.
I don’t believe it, Surtr is invincible! …Well, that’s it, my attempt to kill that evil bastard who ruined my once-in-a-lifetime chance to get a free Gunnthrá was all in vain, because Surtr has already completed the Rite or Flames. Wait, did he sacrificed Veronica already? And I still didn’t see this “Hríd” person, nor do we know if the Ylgr I rescued is the real Ylgr or Loki in disguise!
…Anywho, WHAT THE HELL?! I ended up getting 5 useless 3-Star Heroes in a row, followed by another useless 3-Star Hero! This game trolled me once again, and this time, it’s the biggest trolling they have ever done to me! SCREW THIS GAME!!
I love your comments. Every time I am feeling bad, I read your comments and I begin to feel better by knowing there is a person who life is saddest than mine.
To be fair, you’d have to be a saint not to get agitated by that guy. You could try blocking him, but you’d still know if he’s around because someone inevitably replies to him.
At this point I just want Sutr to die and I don’t care how anticlimatic it is. Even if he chokes on a piece of bread or gets squished by a falling pegasus. The only bright side is the hope that we’ll get to meet Hrid in the next chapter.
Sorry to hear about your awful luck. 🙁 I went in expecting the same, and the game decided to be nice and give me a 5-Star Legault. I think it felt bad for getting me hopes up about Sutr dying.
One does not simply kill Ganondorf without him being reincarnated (again).
And I don’t know what happened in this banner, but I got my first Hector and Legault on my first session. Then, another Legault, and I really wanted his Tactics.
I got a +Def-Spd Adult Tiki, but I really wanted Young Tiki since I have Warding Breath and she could probably use Breath of Fog better for Anti-Dragon.
I really think they shouldn’t have put A!Tiki on this banner. Y!Tiki is rare enough as it is, there’s no reason to make her even more difficult to obtain by sharing a focus with a 3-4 star unit.
No new heroes, only swimsuits… We need some Sword of Seals and Radiant Dawn.
At least I have another chance to beat Lyon Infernal, since it was a real pain back then.
Seeing as a Blue/Fire legendary hero with a Res buff is coming (Legendary Athos would be amazing!) Until the next cycle (which would probably begin with Wind), I don’t think Hrid will be showing up as summonable until Earth/Water sword/Tome.
I didn’t mean summonable right off the bat, but revealed. Design, personality, weapon and such. I have a theory they might “legendarize” only those Nífl characters that will die during the Múspell agression. Gunny is dead and Fjorm is pretty much set to pay with her life for the Rite of Ice in the end imo. And those two are legendary.
Then again, it would be a bad marketing move to not give us the other characters eventually – as long as people are willing to pay for them huh? 🙂
Yeah. I kinda wanna see Hrid too. I mean, the guy straight up pulled an “Ephraim” on Surtr. So he needs to be badass. I kinda want him to be a legendary Dagger unit but im fine with another sword. Just kinda wished they gave us some Muspell Characters in as well (Laevateinn, Laegaern? And Helbindi were really good units.)
Aside from dressing characters up for the Hoshidan equivalent of Tanabata (which would admittedly be great), I can’t exactly see anything but swimsuits for banners since they’ve got universal appeal.
There’s nothing wrong with having a lot of swimsuit units so long as the original characters don’t already have too many alts. Imagine the outcry if Summer Lyn became a thing
Next Legendary Hero could be Eliwood, with all these Black Fang Events and TT+ and even a BHB with Hector & Matthew, last time Lyn as Legendary Hero and in August time for CYL2 with Hector. But it´s just speculation for fun~
Awakening Beach DLC with Tharja when? (°w° )
Its possible but then again everyone thought the last Legendary was gonna be a fire hero, possibly Roy, but we wound up with a flying Ryoma as a water hero so theres really no telling till the banner appears. Personally I’m hoping for maybe Jaffar or even Brendan Reed, heck I’d take Ursula, just someone thats actually connected to Black Fang itself so long as its NOT Sonia. I hate her with a passion and take great satisfaction in killing her in the Water Temple gaiden chapter in 7, she’s the evilest woman I’ve ever seen in a game, I mean yeah theres plenty of evil female villains in games (though none that comes to mind right now) but at least they have a possible chance at redeeming themselves but not Sonia. She’s so evil that she’d order the death of her own daughter (but if you’ve played 7 then you know how well that went). I don’t know of any other female villains that would go THAT far just to get rid of her own kid. I could go on and on but that’d just make a wall of text so I won’t.
I’d love Summer Tharja as well as the remaining characters from Summer Scrabble and Beach Brawl, but since last year’s banners were focused on Awakening and Conquest it’s likely this year’s banners will also focus on specific games, and I’m not sure I want a second Awakening banner. Hopefully, one of the two features characters from mixed games so Tharja, Chrom, and/or Cordelia can appear in it.
Eliwood could make for an interesting Legendary Hero, but I have a rather hard time imagining him without a sword and taking away his horse seems rather silly. I’m hoping the Legendary Hero is from a game which hasn’t had one yet, like perhaps Bow Alm or Horse Seliph.
To be fair it makes more sense. Lloyd should be the more reasonable one, willing to listen to Eliwood. And a sudden outrage and refusing to listen to Nino is far more like Linus too.
This is a very easy GHB. Both Hard and Lunatic I beat in my first tries, and in the second try on Infernal because I made a mistake in my first attempt. Thanks IS for the easy 3 Linus and 2000 feathers.
For me, Linus will be like Male Kana… a unit I don’t plan to use as fodder and I will keep every single copy of him with the hope of getting him with many merges possible.
Seems very promising so far; the art style is clean and the combat looks fresh. The cinematics were kinda awkward tho, same issue with Echoes where they seem choppy.
Not really an issue; it’s an intended style. There seems to be a belief that 3D cell-shaded cutscenes need to have the same choppiness as traditional 2D animation, otherwise it doesn’t look right. (I don’t agree with that belief though.)
Three Houses looks great, sucks that its been delayed to 2019 though :(. Also Lyn is STILL an Assist Trophy? Seriously? Has Sakuri (if he’s still directing Smash) not learned anything? I mean I’m pretty sure he’s likely to have talked to IS devs for FE’s series and learned that Lyn is REALLY popular, not to mention she really should be playable over Lucina since Lucina is a straight up copy of Marth minus the extra damage from the tip of her sword.
I guess they finally got around to getting Marth’s English VA to voice him again in Smash, which is fine by me. At least this time we’ll know what he’s saying during the victory screen.
Except that Lyn would end up just being a literal replacement to Lucina. And while Lyn is popular amongst FE fans, Lucina has gain larger popularity outside of the FE fanbase so it’s not actually a good move to just replace her with Lyn. Plus they probably intend to give us 1 additional FE character as DLC from the switch game so adding yet another FE sword character would cause all kinds of backlash. Also, also, FE7 is not currently relevant so unless a remake was gonna come out, she stood little chance of getting added (remember back to his statement about Robin and Lucina making it in because of the relevance of Awakening and Corrin’s inclusion as promotion for Fates).
And yet I’ve seen some people want Lyn to replace Lucina or Corrin. Corrin has a unique moveset so he’s a no go but Lucina is a literal clone of Marth, only thing setting her apart is that she doesn’t need to rely on the tip of her Falchion to do damage. I had this discussion once before and I’ll say this, Roy can also be argued that he’s a clone of Marth too, I’ll not deny that, however he’s more of a semi-clone more than a full blown one like Lucina. He’s slightly slower, his neutral b is different where at full power he can ko someone in a instant with a minor 10% backlash to himself, his neutral A attack is different as are his A smashes, and instead of the tip of the Binding Blade, he wants to get up close and personal and use the middle part of the blade to do extra damage.
And Lucina is only popular BECAUSE of Awakening and mostly by newer members of the series whereas Lyn has been known since 7 came to the rest of the world but the much older fans. Not to mention Lyn could have been easily added as a playable right alongside Ike in Brawl, which came way before anyone knew about Awakening yet she only wound up being a trophy. And I never 100% followed Smash’s development due to eyeing other games that were planned to come out at the same time. And another thing is that while its true that Awakening and Fates did well with sales they really shouldn’t be the ONLY ones focused on like they are somehow the only ones of the series, thats something that really annoyed me about Warriors since half the dang cast was Fates characters, the other half being Awakening with one at the time being an NPC (this is base game mind you), ONLY three characters from SD with one at the time being a NPC and then you have Lyn and Celica with no story relevance whatsoever and are only unlockable via History Mode. Don’t get me wrong, I like Warriors and hopefully a possible sequal will do better in the roster department.
And I’m not saying Lucina should removed completely, just make her a skin for Marth since thats really what she should’ve been in the first place.
And a possible remake for 7 somewhere in the near future? Yes please! Hopefully with 6 combined with it and does something similar to 4. First generation played first and then years later 6 takes place and we play as the second generation with a few of the first gen members here and there.
I do play Smash competitively so you don’t need to patronize me on the differences between the FE sword characters. My argument is that with Sakurai’s vision, they would not have been able to add Lyn in unless she were to be just another clones; by essentially replacing Lucina. They only had the dev time to add (to our current knowledge) 2 new characters along with every returning character, that is a lot of work.
A lot of people are demanding Lyn, but a lot more people wouldn’t want her because they don’t know her. You really play up Lyn’s significance, but that is only within the western FE community, and the older fans at that. As much as it might pain you, us old fans don’t matter as much as you like to think; we’re a gross minority in the modern fanbase.
And yes, relevancy matters a lot when it comes to character inclusion. Roy’s inclusion was promotion for FE6, Ike’s because PoR was the most recent FE game and they figured to replace Roy. And Robin and Lucina’s inclusions was tied to the relevancy an timing to Awakening’s release, this is not speculation on my part but actual confirmation from daddy Sakurai himself in interviews. Corrin like Roy, was promotion for Fates. So my reason for mentioning this is that unless there was a FE7 remake to make Lyn relevant again, she has no chance.
Lyn will never get added, Hector will never get added, Camilla will never get added, Ephraim…and the list goes on and on. They’re not relevant enough to be added.
And honestly, I don’t want anymore FE sword characters, and no one else does either. Everyone was pissed that Corrin was included, not because she lacked an original moveset, but because despite being a unique fighter she is another FE rep and people don’t want anymore.
Didn’t mean to patronize you, I apologize for that. And unfortunately I have to agree that we older fans aren’t look at much, big shocker though since Awakening/Fates have taken over the spotlight. All I’m saying is those two need to take a backseat for a little while and have the others focused on some more.
I knew Roy was added to Melee for 6’s promotion since it came out around the same time and thats really when Fire Emblem caught the interest of those outside Japan (I know it did for me at least), same with Corrin. And honestly while I would like Lyn to be more than a blasted assist trophy, I’d take just about any FE character that isn’t a mounted unit (since it would probably rather hard to have a horse running around on a somewhat small stage, fliers might be able to get away with it a little better but horses not so much). Lance, axe, a mage (Robin doesn’t count since he/she can actually fight back with his/her Bronze/Levin Sword), heck even an archer for ranged shenanigans will do, preferably a named one that is also playable in their respective game.
I honestly wouldn’t mind if they didn’t put anymore sword FE characters in (hense why I said I’d take just about any FE character at this point), I just want Lyn to be playable thats all. And everyone may have been mad about Corrin but too bad for them he/she was already planned to be in Smash 4 since Fates was coming out a few weeks after his/her release. That much I know was mentioned from a dev interview.
It’s not up to Smash to celebrate the other FE games, that responsibility falls to games like Heroes and Warriors. So no, it’s not time for the Awakening/Fates characters to “take a backseat for a little while and have the others focused on some more” because that is antithetical to what Smash is, a celebration of gaming as a whole. It’s the reason why we don’t see picks like Toon Ganon or Toon Zelda added (both were demanded for way more than every FE pick combined), because I’ll say it agin…relevancy. That is why, plain and simple. characters get added in as either a legacy character (Pit, Marth, Lil Mac, etc.) or as the ‘current’ character (Ike, Toon Link, Shulk, etc.). So if you want to argue for a character outside of Awakening and Fates getting added, you’d have a better argument for the inclusion of either Alm or Celica.
Eh, wouldn’t mind Alm or Celica being in to rep Echoes, problem with that is Alm is a 100% sword user before promote and Celica would be too much like Robin wielding sword and magic. Didn’t know Toon Ganon and Toon Zelda were in big demand for Smash, I do know that Ridely was in demand since Wii U but wasn’t put in Wii U because he was apparently too big yet it appears he’s playable in the new one. Same with Daisy despite the fact that she’s been a color alt for Peach. And apparently some character named Shovel Knight.
I’ll be stopping this discussion so as to not make it possibly get ugly, something I doubt either of us want.
We have our PC, who is called teacher by a girl wearing what looks like a pimped out military uniform, combined with the other characters who also are wearing such things
It lowkey bothers me when news outlets post opinions and personal touches to news posts. IMO that should be left to the blogs and content creators or specific opinion-pieces.
well, Ike is my Main with Pikachu so thats neat~
An Aristocrat who wields Swords and Axes and maybe uses Magic? Thats cute!
It looks massiv like an actual army with all these People on the battlefield, but on the map it was really only 10 Units (°w°)/
Oof, I don’t like the art style, some Persona-Fate thing. But the rest seems pretty good and interesting, if I say so. I hope they don’t ruin it somehow with fan service and such.
Greg Chun and Yuri Lowenthal in SSB. Nice! Lyn and Roy will be Misty Lee and Ray Chase, then.
Looks good, far better than I expected actually, but nothing is perfect. First of all I’m not a big fan of the magic system and weapon skills from SoV and the thought of this game being anything like that game deflated my hype significantly. Secondly, while an avatar is not outright confirmed, and I have a feeling it might be scrapped, the protagonist seems to be silent which might imply it’s a self insert. Thirdly, the formation system may be a gimmick that can hurt map design, which I hope it isn’t. At least it looks better than pair up.
No fanservice in sight though, which is always a plus.
Fódlan’s Japanese name is a reference to the Irish goddess, Fódla. Who, by the way, has two more sisters, Banba and Ériu. Whether this will be significant to the game has yet to be seen.
Which, incidentally, are also the names of the three Mage Sisters in Genealogy of the Holy War.
This is almost certainly not significant, but now you know anyways.
Nice analysis, it makes me more relieved, I was getting a bit worried about the group troops formation and the enemies looked like manequins as FEWarriors for a awhile…
The heck with Claude’s skin in the game? Its Caucasian while his actual artwork depicts him as a darker tone. And before anyone jumps on the whole “he was in artificial lighting in the cave so it could have whited his skin out”, well, if you pause his combat time when he first appears outside, you’ll see his skin color is Caucasian.
Maybe he might get a gradual tan throughout the game, or it could be the cause of some magic-related shenanigans similar to how people in the Fate franchise gradually tan through excessive use of magic.
Alternatively, a more pragmatic explanation would be that there’s still finishing touches yet to be done on him and that’s not how his model will look in the final game, though it’s rather unlikely since he showed up in a cinematic and all. I recall a similar situation with Shantae prior to Half Genie Hero’s release where her skin was lighter than it was in the game proper.
Seeing a return to the feeling of Jugdral is really refreshing, and I’m loving the new art style since it reminds me of SMT IV, though Dimitri looks more like a SoV character. From what I can gather, the naming sense of the game draws inspiration from Gaelic, Anglo-Saxon, and Nordic languages. It’d be nice if the game was a little lighter on the Norse naming than Heroes, since it’s tough for me to discuss Book II characters with friends who can’t pronounce Nordic names. Having surnames is a good call.
This is purely speculation on my part, but I’m hoping the story is a mixture of Fates and Genealogy. The former had some real potential going for it which went unused or underutilized, and I’m thinking some good old fashioned love and political drama could do the trick. It’d be kind of nice if Heroes threw us a bone by sneaking in some like Edelgard shortly before the game releases like what happened with Faye last year, since I don’t think I can contain my hype until Spring.
With potentially 21(22) different crested houses to work with on top of characters that wouldn’t be I’m sure the eugenics programs some players will come up with will be spectacular.
It is interesting to see a more subtle culture clash instead of generic European vs the generic Japanese of Fates. The Main three are Celtic/welsh, Anglo and Nordic, although rotated 180 from where they are in our world respectively. But we also see places like Palmyra which is Greco-Arabic and probably why Claude is ambiguously brown, assuming that the cultures are supposed to represent real world cultures to an extent. Morpheus is a straight Greek name and deity and Threne is a death dirge in Greek so its probably a wasteland, Brigit is a Gaelic deity as in Irish. Albino aside from its representation as the name for those with pigment deficiencies comes from Spanish.
So we are left with Anglo, Nordic, Spanish, Greek, Arab, Celtic Irish, Czech, and French in some of the minor areas. Its really just a mixed bag of cultural and linguistic names that all seem to be around and associated with each other. The Central area looks neutral and mountainous meaning its like Switzerland. This ought to be fun if they go all out on the lore for this game for its big Switch debut.
That about units representing troops as in Advance Wars was actually something IntSys has been wanting to do since Genealogy of the Holy War, according to an interview. Thank you for this analysis, I learned a lot! I wonder if you can choose what house to side with.
Rusalka actually has a meaning in Czech. It’s a beautiful forest fairy that lures men into swamp to drawn. Antonin Dvorak wrote an opera based on that legend. Curious to see a FE region named after it.
Thank goodness I can finally put my Jaffar to use for something. He’s been warming the bench for the better part of a year now even though he’s got several merges on him.
I don’t have any need for Karel since I already have more than enough swords, but I’ll do a full round of summoning on the banner anyways in case I get lucky.
Wow! I got Amelia in my free summon. That’s surprised me. My last free summon 5* was PA!Azura in her original banner. I don’t plan to use her, but I am happy anyway.
You honestly should use Amelia, she’s awesome. One of the faster armors, good defense and HP, fairly fast with her res being her only weak point which nothing out of the ordinary for melee armors. Plus she’s the only one outside LA!Lyn and H!Henry to have Armor March and the latter two are limited only and can’t be gotten normally whereas she can.
Oh, right… I forgot to mention it: I already have Amelia in my catalog. Although, my first Amelia is +HP/-Spd, and this new one is +Res/-Spd (sadly, both -Spd), and her super boon in Res makes me happy. I need to think if I will use her. I already use a Axe unit in my Armored Team, as LA!Hector. I have original Hector too. And as Armor March unit, I have LA!Lyn in my team, but I also have H!Henry and Xmas Robin in my barrack. But thanks for the recommendation.
Ah well that makes more sense now. I’d say keep the +RES one till you get a non -SPD although +HP helps her Earth Boost too but +RES is probably more useful to make her something of a mixed tank. I think mine is +HP/-RES and that was waaaaay back when the first Sacred Stones banner came out and I got stupid lucky in snagging her as my free 5*.
I just watched the german version of the reveal trailer in the Direct and the subtitles there state, that Seiros is a female. I suppose you have enough german speaking people to check and confirm that to you. It is right in the first sentence, where the english voice just says “the divine Seiros”
That could well just be a translation choice. You can’t really leave it ungendered in German without sounding weird, and the translator will have to go with his or her best call of what they think it will be.
Join Edgelord and Cyka Byleth on their journey to literally kill everyone and everything!
On a more serious note I wanted to point out some thing things that may have been missed, the country and county names are obviously analogous to the UK and the barbarian enemies are wearing kilts so they may be Scots.
Fodla is the name of an Irish goddess who was one of a triumvirate and is sometimes used as an ancient name for Ireland.
The whole three houses thing may be referring to the War of The Roses where two branches of the royal house fought for supremacy so the warring countries may all have once been a part of a greater whole.
The Fodla thing is a bit of a bust because Genealogy we had the three sisters named after her and her sisters. But the rest of it seems believable, nice catch.
Also, really loving the already budding memes that Edgelord and Cyka Byleth (Creative one, this) have spawned.
We need a subtle Avatar. (and not one who uses his/her Sue powers to control all the other characters toward his/her ultimate goal of replacing the local Lovecraftian dragon god. 😀 )
People really resonate with the player Avatar thing they made in FE7 with Mark. Since Awakening was IS’s final hail mary they decided to bring it back with Robin and Corrin and it resonated with new fans too so now its likely to remain a thing in Fire Emblem for the foreseeable future. I personally like the idea of creating a relatively balanced avatar for yourself and the marriage and child system. I don’t think its appropriate for every Fire Emblem though. The Child system worked in Genealogy and it worked in Awakening, both for story reasons, but they used a GIANT asspull to shoehorn it into Fates.
After doing some research, I found that Byleth, or more commonly known as Beleth, is a figure in demonology. I’m not very surprised by this, given the dark cloak and the red symbol on his chest. He is a king of hell who has 85 legions of demons at his disposal, so I would be incredibly surprised if he is not the tactician and main character of the game. He rides a pale horse, so he may get a mount upon promotion. After the Great Flood, an event found in many religions, he was summoned by Noah’s son, who he helped write a book about mathematics, which could explain the “teacher” role. In my opinion, the most interesting thing I found was that he is summoned by striking a want to the south, then to the east, and upwards to form a triangle. If you look at the geography of the places the 3 lords come from, they appear to be in this same formation, and given her prominence in the trailer, I think it’s safe to assume that Byleth will start in Hresvelgr with her before traveling to Regan and subsequently Blaidad. From what I read, it is also stated that “Beleth causeth all the love that may be, both of Men and of Women, until the Master Exorcist hath had his desire fulfilled,” but I’m not quite sure what this means.
I also looked into the names of the 3 lords. Edelgard’s name, unsurprisingly, means noble protector. Based on this, she is probably going to be a Corrin-esque character, so we all have that to look forward to. Claude’s name means lame, limping, or stuttering. This could mean that he is incompetent, but I think it is more likely that he has an inferiority complex, like another archer we all know and love. He seems a lot like Gray from Echoes, with his wild hair and his fun, foolhardy expression, so I’m very interested in how his character is going to be written. The most interesting name out of the bunch is Dimitri, which derives from the Greek goddess Demeter and means lover of the earth. Demeter is the goddess of agriculture, harvest, fertility, and sacred law. Sacred law refers to moral code, and the “earth lover” meaning in his name could indicate that Dimitri is a lover of his homeland and potentially another Camus. The most famous story involving Demeter involves her daughter, Persephone, being tricked into getting trapped in the underworld and marrying Hades, and her distraught mother, as the goddess of agriculture, let the earth go barren. Eventually, a deal was struck to allow Persephone to leave for 4 months of the year, which is the ancient Greek explanation for the seasons. Interestingly, Dimitri lives in the far north, and his home’s emblem depicts snow. If this legend is paralleled in the plot, it could also mean that Dimitri or someone in his house might side with Byleth, who would be the equivalent of Hades.
I can’t believe we got that awful title instead of something more similar to the japanese one which I think it’s amazing
Anyway this was a really nice analysis thankss
Fu** IS, Canas is my favorite character on Blazing Blade and he is horrible…
Why should i use him if even Sophia can be a lot better than him? And she is a free unit too.
That’s why Tempest Trial piss me off so badly.
Now that i take this out of my chest, im gonna uninstall the game, i don’t want to see another character that i like being treated like that, it would be a lot better if he wasn’t in the game at all, the only reason that he exist is to be a skill fodder.
I feel similarly about Marisa, though I’ve managed to make her less shit by handing her slaying edge+, aether, steady blow, wrath, and odd atk wave. heck, I’ve even made Lyon somewhat useful. pretty much every unit is usable with some investment.
This is an awesome analysis! You’ve done a great job with this, really fun seeing the connections in the trailer!
The symbol on his cape is reminiscent of the dragon symbols we’ve seen before, definitely looking like the rival ruler that we fight before the inevitable dragon
Another small weird thing I noticed in the trailer is that at the end of the trailer where we see the “young” girl sitting on the chair/throne after the music ends is that she sighs or breathes out. It could also be a yawn but it makes it seem like she’s either waiting for something or just woke up after some time.
Looks pretty bloody cool! It seems, from this first trailer, that they’ve learned from the mistakes of FE14 (tone down the Avatar’s power/significance/sue-ish-ness a bit (A LOT, I’m hoping), actually name the continent…) and that they’re expanding on FE15’s (and FE9/10’s…) mechanical ideas.
I’m all for the one-character-is-a-squad-leader idea. It makes way more sense and adds a lot of depth to the game (badly needed after FE14’s creation-myth-soap-opera and also the very lovely but nevertheless very OP’d Dual-Strike-Apotheosis-is-the-only-challenging-map mechanic). I do love the earlier Emblems and their 10-teen-badasses-against-the-local-Lovecraftian-Dragon-god but, really, it was a bit ridiculous:
LYN: R-Really, Laus? Sure, we’re outnumbered 15-to-one because it’s the 3 of us & Wil & Florina, but… Who sends 50 guys to sack a whole castle!? Is that even a full battalion?!
SAIN: There’s more inside.
LYN: Yeah, no more than 30. That’s 80. 80 guys are supposed to take over all of Lycia.
Yes, it’ll be nice to actually command the actual-armies we’ve been seeing for years in the cutscenes (*cough*The Path Is Yours*cough*). It pleases my strategic brain.
I predict you play a lowly tactician/professor from a tiny neutral fief with a university to kill and/or die for and, because a war *always* has to break out, a war breaks out, forcing you to chose one of the three dashing peeps above to the detriment of the other two. With your guiding hand, chosen lord is able to remain just, but the other two succumb to their weaknesses, maybe even ingest an evil dragon soul because why the heck not (those crazy kids and their narcotics!). You and chosen lord then have to kill the other two because they’ve fallen too far into perdition.
Maybe choice actually means there’s plenty outcomes to play with, like some redemption options… and maybe even a special “screw it, let’s go to Albino. Sounds nice.” option.
Basically, it’ll be like Fates, I wager, but it’ll suck less and have more dramatic weight because the characters are more fleshed out, less overpowered, and more relatable. —This is what I really hope for. And a dash of intrigue too. Makes the game even more interesting and immersive (it’ll earn the rich art design! IT WILL EARN IT!!!).
Fairly straight forward TT+. Kind of surprised how easy the final map is, the last one at least had a ting of difficulty with Loki, but Ursula is a joke. No real complaints though seeing all the free stuff we get from this.
If you look at the screenshot with Edelgard with End and Rsl, you’ll also see her hit rate. It is 71. But a second later, when she fights a sword unit, it is 67. There is a difference of 4, meaning weight, formation, and/or support may be affecting accuracy, but the weapon triangle is undoubtedly there.
–Why is there a different option for “Equip” and “Items”, when in previous games you could equip weapons etc, in a character “items” menu? Is there something else that they will be used for or am I just brain dead and forgetting something?
–Also we see that there is a lot of additional space when Edelgard is selecting a weapon… Could we be getting increased inventory like in RD?
–Byleth is a name that is synonymous with Beleth… the name of a demon in J. R. R. Tolkien’s books. Byleth is such a specific and weird name, unlike Robin or Corrin (which is translated from Kamui in Japan, which means spiritual or divine being). Do you think the name was specifically chosen for a reason, similar to how Kamui relates to how Corrin is part dragon (a divine being in FE) and son of Anankos.
–Is it just me or does the clothes and colours Byleth wear look similar to the “Antagonist” shown who has that Whip/Sword similar to Ivy from Soul Calibur? Also I believe the symbols on Byleth’s attire shown in free roam looks similar to that of the symbol shown on the Antagonist. Is it a possibility that they’re from the same Faction (Which I believe is the Church mentioned on Nintendo’s Official Website).
–Hilda and Mercedes don’t exactly look like random, nor your “typical enemy”. I believe that what we saw was actually a Mock Battle mentioned by Edelgard, and that Mercedes and Hilda are actually playable characters. Also not to mention your character is supposed to be “teacher” of some sort and Edelgard was talking about the mock battle in an area that resembled a classroom of sorts.
I will stop playing Heroes, but before that, i HAVE to pick Oliver, he’s so beautiful… Of course i will upgrade him to 5* and level him to 40, he is so majestic…
i couldn’t care less about the summer thing.
Hey! Oliver, A.K.A. free Mirror Strike, is back!
Also, I decided to use some orbs in the Bridal Broom Banner for a last time… and I got Sanaki! Sadly, with bad IVs… but I am ok with it.
Why is Ursula the final map boss?! She’s supposed to be dead, and it was before the final chapter from The Blazing Blade, and the true final boss of that game is the Dragon, not Ursula! This is stupid!
Noire and Tana are the ones I’m mot interested in. That Drive Heavy Blade skill Noire has is quite interesting, and Tana could be an amazing flying mage if her BST is anything like her vanilla self.
Calling out one part of the fandom for being toxic yet acts toxic towards them.
I’m not going to start a war or anything, but the fandom in general is tired of seeing the same character get multiple alts. Though there are people like in any fandom that are disrespectful towards female characters getting too much attention, there’s an equal amount of those who act toxic in response to their comments.
Who knows? Maybe some of the haters are asexual or female that don’t just see the appeal in the popular female characters. Not that I’d think it excuses such behaviour.
That Innes looks specially delicious, but I prefer Tana since she’s a red mage flier. And the banner will last a whole month, so I’m saving for the legendary.
I feel a bit annoyed because there are three females and only one guy like wtf I want half naked dudes like all the male players want girls. While I think there is nothing wrong with having all these “waifus” I feel like it’s so unfair that there are hardly any fan service of the male characters. There should be two female and two male characters.
I agree with you on this. There shouldn’t be a “there are more male players” excuse. Players of different gender should be treated equally. Trying to overappeal to only one audience and giving meh appeal to another one will risk in female players becoming disillusioned with the game. They’d move onto another gatcha that appreciates their players more and doesn’t try so hard to appeal to one gender
Nigger fcuk are you retards spouting? The female audience doesn’t even make 10% of the playerbase, why the fuck would you favor that small amount over the vast majority?
“The female audience doesn’t even make 10% of the playerbase.” that’s like saying that women in general are not supposed to be gamers. It’s 2018! Where do you get those imaginary numbers? From an anti-feminist gaming site?
“It’s the current year”
I pray to Allah that you were being ironic. Seeing as how you’re a retard, let me put it in simple terms for you. Catering to the minority is bad for business, you imbecile, you lose more than you invest into that catering and that’s why they don’t fucking do it.
Also, women don’t give a shit about video games, only the loser ones do and it is mostly due to the attention.
this thing has started a disussion on reddit where we’re looking at the male vs. female unit thing. Its pretty much equal, but females get put more on special banners and come with better sought after skills/ come fully equipped with skills. To make any guy pretty much viable you have to do some heavy Skill Inheritance. Like look at Swift Sparrow. It only comes on 8 units, all girls. It was okay during the first few months but after the Love Abound Banner things went downhill (LA HECTOR is the last seasonal male unit to basically come fully equipped with skills you mostly want to keep. L.Ryoma basically you need to face-life his skills). More males on GHB and TT, which isn’t a good thing because A) A lot of them turn out to either be mediocre or you need to invest A LOT of SI into them in order to make them viable B) You can merge them much so not much you can do regarding stats C) Some of them just exist for fodder & D) Players who weren’t around during those periods missed out or basically have to wait forever for them to return. So yeah, this game has a major hard on in making the “Waifus” more prevalent.
Know I know their skills, I can say: skippable.
Tana is the only one that interested me. Cordelia is… meh, Noire’s Infantry Rush is great but only one of my units in my infantry team could use it so… meh. Innes is… meh… again.
I would like to get Tana for my Tactic Team, but I can wait to decide. We have the Legendary Banner and the 2nd special banner, so I can wait.
We are completely in agreement, funnily enough. I too am interested in putting Tana on my Tactics team, but I want to wait till late July before I consider pulling. We can at least see what the July calendar has, you know? Plus if you need DC, Hector is back soon too.
Yeah. It’s good to see another player wanting Summer Tana for the Tactic Team. I have L’ Ike (Def), Siegbert (Atk), L’ Lyn (Spd) and Bride Ninian (Res, Def SS), so I would switch Siegbert for Tana and give her Atk Tactic. Also, there is the possibilty of Valentive Hector in the Legendary Banner for DC, since all New Years units already appeared and I am sure we will not have only Xmas Tharja and Xmas Lissa as Seasonal Units, and the Next Legendary Hero will be a green one, so would be the best chance for trying to get the L’ Hero and Hector at the same time.
That’s a good point about Hector. And we know he’ll be on the BHB banner too.
My tactics team is Eirika, L’Arachel, LA!Lilina, and just needed a red mage, and Tana is my favorite FE 8 unit. But I need to make sure my merge projects aren’t on the calendar.
That’s a good Tactic team. I used L’Arachel before Bride Ninian, and she is a good unit. I want a red mage for my team too.
I didn’t get Summer Tana, so I need to go to my others Red Mages: Mage Eirika or Halloween Nowi, both are +Spd -Def. Eirika has more Spd and her Tome works pretty well with Swift Sparrow, but Nowi has better mobility and Res. What do you think is the better opition? I also have Kinshinoka (+Spd -HP), but then I would have 2 archers. And I also have LA!Linina (+Spd -Atk), but I would prefer another color.
I would say SM!Eirika only because you don’t have a cavalier on the team, and they are really useful for hit and run tactics. Nowi is better served on a Flier team due to her mobility, but that is just my opinion.
In fact, you could make a separate flier team with Kinshinoka and Nowi as the core. Just throw some F2P fliers like Catria, Est or Michalis in there and with some SI for Goad Fliers you would be set!
Also, Legault got demoted, so maybe try to get him for Atk Tactics instead?
Sorry, should have clarified, use him as Atk Tactic fodder so you can use Siegbert elsewhere. A 4 star obtainable unit just isn’t as valuable, but that’s just my opinion.
Nice side-view from Noire! Tana & Cordelia sure hits the spot~ Also, Innes be more like InNice.
Maybe I get next time my Micaiah Summer-Banner.
Anyway,it would be a good chance for a fresh blue Bow unit with this banner.
How is the story of a lonesome mage who turned out to be the vessel of a Demon Dragon pitting against a Divine one, an insult to longtime fans? I’m a longtime fan, since the Melee era, and I’ve enjoyed the Awakening storyline just as much as FE3’s storyline. It’s Fates’ storyline that is insulting.
You may just be more tolerant to crap writing than me. FE stories were never amazing, but they were certainly above average in a lot of cases. Awakening is too shallow in its execution and plays out far too much like a comedy.
It really isn’t. Awakening is a giant reference game meant to invoke nostalgia and enjoyment of all the things they loved about Fire Emblem over the years. If anything, Awakening actually praises everyone in Fire Emblem, and had it not been for the references and was its own standalone story, it was actually good.
Furthermore, going by the structure, Awakening resembles FE4 more than FE3, since it ultimately was to lead to the revival of the dark dragon from a vessel, has the main hero die, and the next generation takes over.
Exactly, but it’s the fact that it’s a giant reference game that messes it up. There are several characters that instead of being an example of a certain archetype ends up being a parody of it. They’re a poor comedic takes on the archetype instead of being normal characters that fit into it. I have serious doubts you have played FE1, FE3 or its remake if you don’t notice these things.
And it was the ‘praise of everything Fire Emblem’ that pissed me off the most about the game. It wasn’t content with being a shit story on its own, it also had to drag everything else down with it.
You sound more like someone that hates everything about Awakening and think everything about it is shit. But Awakening, despite being a reference game, managed to actually tell a neat story with lots of potential that was sadly just rushed. Every arc and reference they placed in clearly shows a lot of love towards the franchise and still working to tell a compelling enough story about how the struggle to overcome destiny is difficult.
Just cause you think everything about it is shit doesn’t mean the rest of us do. I for one absolutely loved everything about Awakening, and the characters all have their own unique quirks. In fact, rather than fully obeying an archetype and ultimately being simply a carbon copy that functions in a different environment, I much prefer how they gave every character their unique quirks that gave them much more individuality.
And for the record, yes, I played Shadow Dragon and New Mystery, and no, even then your claim that its a rip off of FE3 doesn’t stand.
So the ‘praise of everything Fire Emblem’ was great and your claim that it’s shit is just a claim, and not fact.
And even if you think it’s great it doesn’t mean everyone does. See how this argument is trash? I do hate a lot of the things Awakening did but it’s not mindless hate. My claims are legit criticism that you cannot simply dismiss with ‘A lot of people like it, therefore it’s good’, before backing up your argument with a claim of your own. It makes you come off as incredibly insular when you call out my argument for something while reinforcing your own with the exact same thing.
I like the FE games that stray from the FE3 formula, but when those differences break the gameplay experience, I’m going to have a problem with it. The gameplay is significantly worse than the games that came before it, and that is more or less objective so I’m not going to bother talking too much about that part. The whole story and setting itself is simply fanservice aimed at the Japanese audience who hold Mystery in high regard, and the mechanics that are brought back in an attempt to tie the series together is executed much worse than their original appearances. It’s just too much of too little and it ends up being a bloated mess which has no real redeeming gameplay features unless grinding is what you live for.
Though, I do find it a bit funny how you praise the quirks of the characters as a positive point when it’s clearly the opposite. For someone who has never played a FE game before and has Awakening as their first game I can see how they would think this is the case, but for people who has been with this series for a long time it should be evident how flat and tropey these characters are. How does a game with a supposed focus on war and tactical gameplay have characters that feel like they grew up doing nothing but watch anime and read twitter posts? I wouldn’t call the older characters amazingly deep but it’s sure as hell much better than whatever Awakening brought to the table. It feels far too bubblegum for what it should’ve been, and that in turn along with the underdeveloped story makes it impossible to take seriously. Again, it ends up being a complete parody. The story had one moment which was sad but which was reversed later anyway because ‘lol everyone has to get laid’.
Awakening was the first FE game I played through all the way, but I played others when I was younger, but didn’t have the patience to handle the permadeath feature. Then as I aged and gained some, I played Awakening since it was new, and that jumped me back into the series and thus I looked at the others.
Again, I don’t understand why you would say this is the FE3 formula, when many features were never in FE3. Unless you are going by the evil sorcerer reviving evil dragon schtick, but seriously, that’s legit every other Fire Emblem game. But this tags multiple other cases as well. You’re gonna have to be more specific about why you are saying this is following the same FE3 formula, cause I honestly don’t understand the logic you are following.
Though there were plenty of fanservice, Awakening still tells its own story. We’ve seen many Fire Emblem characters in the past and there have done the same thing, but here we’ve gotten a much better chance to see and understand the characters. First off, thanks to the much more improved Support system, we got to see so many character interactions that we’d never get to see in other games cause of the retarded “5 Support Max” feature. So we got to see plenty of interactions that were very interesting and made for compelling characters to be better understood.
And there are plenty of characters that have plenty of depth. The entire structure of Lucina’s quest to stop Grima is because her future is in ruins. She loses her battle and has to resort to running away from her world just to create another world that can survive. Everything in the story has actually been structured to make us think we’re making a difference, but we end up not. Whenever there comes a time when we make a choice in the game, regardless of the choice, nothing we do mattered until the last one. The flaws in Awakening that is criticized is generally due to how the overall game and story was rushed, cramming three arcs into one. Yeah, I do not deny that hurt the quality, but even then for what it gave, it was handled very well. They could have done more, but they put in as much time and effort they could in the time they were given, especially one where it was meant to be the last. Had Awakening been the last, it was a nice farewell. But it isn’t, so we have a future, and now we have more criticisms because there are loose ends to be tied.
And I’m assuming you are referring to maybe Emmeryn’s death, which she then comes back from, and even then, that’s not as happy as you think. Emmeryn is nothing but a shell of her former self. She has no memory of her family and she speaks in a broken manner. And she has to really die for her to actually remember. It’s a sick joke if you ask me.
Replying here because your post is missing for some reason.
I was mainly talking about the story and characters. I mean heck, look at the them. As I said, they’re all poor comedic takes on the original games. Cordelia is obsessed with Chrom because lol Catria has a small talking point about being in love with Marth. Kellam is lol invisible lol because early game knights are generally forgettable as units and characters. Lon’qu is lmao gynophobic because Nabarls joins the army because they’re easily swayed or pushed around by females. Frederick is an actual butler haha because Jagens always look out and manage for their lords. Nowi is a half naked loli because lol all the manaketes are cute young girls lol. Gregor is hahah so much older than everyone else because mercenaries are typically older than the rest of the cast. That’s around the point where you also realise the game really tries to follow FE3’s beats incredibly poorly and makes itself feel like a fanfiction.
I have nothing against people enjoying the 3DS FE games but also understand that I can be incredibly harsh against poor game design and writing. I play these games primarily for the gameplay, but even though Awakening has bad gameplay and tried to shift the focus from that to supports and character interaction it still messed that up as well. You say the new support system is good, but is it really? A limit of five supports in the past were a way to incite players into finding the most optimal pairings, while also contributing to what gave the games a ton of replayability. FE games have always been about multiple playthroughs if you didn’t already know. Removing a cap like that would’ve risked making the games imba by allowing people to stack the bonuses. The limited supports also made the conversations be unique and have a bigger importance to character development as it felt like they had an actual purpose. The characters that got together after the game also made finishing it with good pairings feel like an accomplishment, whereas in Awakening it’s an afterthought. The perfect example of supports done right is in FE8 between Duessel and Amelia where she learns about her mother, and that’s not even a romantic support chain. Now compare this to Awakening. You can talk about how the game was made better for having a ton of supports but the fact that every character was capable of hooking up with anyone of the opposing gender made the supports themselves feel really hollow and plastic. The premise that everyone had to get along with everyone else even when it made no sense hurt the whole experience. Why would Tharja hook up with someone else when her whole character trait is being obsessed with Robin? And even if you do get her together with someone else and finish her supports, she goes right back to being obsessed with Robin straight away. The same thing happens with Cordelia as well. Even when the game tries to be more about character interaction the supports are written with no regard to how the gameplay affects them, which renders them completely useless. The fact that Emmeryn came back from death at all only served to show how far the series has fallen, no matter under what circumstances she was brought back under. It just proved where the focus of the game was. The same goes for recruiting the enemy leaders.
Unfortunately, while the story in the game had potential, it fell short, and not only because it tried to do too much. It doesn’t take itself seriously at all which is a terrible thing you can do when dealing with a semi-serious subject matter. Everyone is written like they are in a comedy, and shifting between dramatic scenes and ‘haha what’s the colour of your underwear’ really doesn’t help it in that regard.
First off, Cordelia’s obsession with Chrom isn’t even obsession. Unrequited love has occurred multiple times in other Fire Emblem games. Are those suddenly a parody? Hell, look at Priscilla in FE7, who has multiple endings that end with her being unable to be with the guys she likes. And Lon’qu having gynophobia being a joke with Navarre? Please, at least Lon’qu actually links it to his past that can be explored on through supports, which is far more than Navarre ever gave us even to this day where we know nothing despite how Warriors gave us multiple support conversations with Navarre. Nowi is basically like a Tiki, but then you can legit argue the same about Myrrh and Fae. Nowi is not that unique of a case here, apart from how she dresses. You kidding about Gregor or what? We have not had someone be around Gregor’s age, who is between middle-age and a straight up old man. Least with Gregor’s supports, we see much more of the wisdom and caring side of him than many other mercenaries have.
All those characters you are criticizing actually HAVE more personality than a majority of any of the FE3 cast. And a bunch more FE games beyond that. They have unique and several have relatable circumstances that you find. Yeah, some quirks are there, but you can actually KNOW these characters. Most character in the past are just there or are blocked by numbers, being bases and growths that you bench once they are done.
And yes, the limit of 5 supports in the past was utter shit. Why? Cause there’s nothing optimal in utilizing them once you permanently bench characters. Awakening actually uses supports as it’s structure in the game, allowing many pair ups to not just see supports, but to even utilize in gameplay that allows you to perform multiple combinations. I will grant it that the past support system had a bit more quality in there, while the new one has cases of being in quantity, but at the very least, you won’t end up needing to replay the game over and over and over again to see the supports with others. And yes, the S support thing has criticisms that I will not deny, but even then, some conversations were truly heartfelt and touching that can be appreciated. And the 2nd Gen have a cast of characters that are very lovable like Owain and Inigo, and the case of their quirks is far more justified when you think about how they needed those quirks just to survive their hellish world. The fact they lived through hell without turning edgelords is a miracle, and that deserves praise.
And just cause Tharja is obsessed with Robin doesn’t mean that she is incapable of loving another. I admit why she is obsessed with Robin is a mystery, but a lot of her supports actually shows great things about her. For more info, actually look at Ghast’s Support Science vids. You can also look at one for Cordelia as well.
Like it’s the first time that Fire Emblem brought back a character that died? Ninian died and then she was brought back to life. Frey was supposed to have died in Shadow Dragon, but he lived. Gharnef died and came back a spirit. Oliver was supposed to have died in Path of Radiance, but came back in Radiant Dawn, same as the Black Knight. Like why would Emmeryn somehow surviving be criticized even worse than the others? Cause that’s pretty bullshit if you ask me.
Overall, Awakening has a fantastic cast of characters that still have much potential behind them, and set many things up that should not be changed because they made many positive changes. The story is rushed overall but even despite that, the story is not bad at all, but simply lacking. The writers dived into this with the intention of this being the end of Fire Emblem. If they dived into this again with the intention of making a full story game with this, they can easily make it happen in the future.
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You absolutely can parody that and that’s exactly what they did. There’s also more to their characterisation than what was established in FE1 as well. FE3 and especially and outside material like BS gave them more than just their recruitment and death lines. The reason I brought up those characters is because behaving like a parody of their own archetype instead of primarily being their own character can only bee seen as a negative. I’m not sure why you’re trying to justify those character examples I brought up when you doing so only strengthens my point further. You have to understand that FE stories work best when the settings prop up their characters. The characters themselves can be somewhat bland but as long as they’re doing something that makes sense it’s fine. The Jugdral and Tellius games aren’t exactly character studies but the setting and conflicts are believable. There is never a point in those games where I’m wondering why certain characters are still fighting for their cause. I constantly had that thought when playing Awakening and Fates. The reason Jugdral and Tellius had the best stories was because of their settings, and not because their characters were quirky.
Sure, you may call it personality, but I call it tropes. Literally only tropes, to the point where it’s almost disingenious to call them characters. I won’t need to see those videos because I have a perfectly good understanding how each character works. I could see how Tharja as a character would make sense if she did a Morrigan and got pregnant for other reasons, but that’s not how it plays out. As I said, even when I paired her up with Gaius she goes back to being Robin’s stalker. And regarding Cordelia, the point is not unrequited love. The point is that she still has those feelings for Chrom even after she has an S support with someone else. Same thing with Emmeryn, the point is not that she’s brought back to life, but for what reason she is brought back (literally only to fuck the avatar if male). If you don’t think that’s terrible writing then I don’t know what to tell you.
Honestly speaking, how often does what’s being talked about in Awakening actually matter? This is also why the limited supports in the older game also felt more realistic. You had to keep units together for a long time before you got them to A rank, and once you did they had far more important things to talk about than “Hey, here’s my character quirk, now show me your character quirk” which is effectively what all Awakening supports consist of. To sum up how I feel about supports, quality over quantity.
You must be immune to otaku culture if you cannot see how these characters are worse than the old ones. They can have a a thousand lines of text in each conversation but as long as they don’t talk about anything important, which they don’t, it’s not going to matter. In past games characters spoke less but the things they said were more compelling. All this focus on pointless conversation which is basically just small talk no matter how far into the story you are hurts the overall experience, as you can clearly feel that the story, gameplay and supports are three different aspects that are developed individually, unlike the previous games which had all of these integrated into each other for a more concise and linear experience.
This could just be a case of us having different kinds of tastes. What’s good and bad would have to be a case of what’s universally accepted as the norm.
Actually, the argument that they are parody doesn’t work as well because for one thing, we have archetypes. We literally have the same type of character that has the same kind of circumstances, and follow under the same kind of principles. Despite the kind of depth they are seen to have, it’s honestly can be argued the others of the same archetype fall under the exact same conditions.
That actually isn’t, and there are still more to it than that. Also, have you actually LOOKED at Tharja’s endings? There is literally only TWO endings where her obsession with Tharja is actually mentioned, being unpaired and Kellem’s endings. Meaning that in all the other ones, Tharja actually DOES move on and settle with her family. And Cordelia never actually indicates that she’s still in love with Chrom after marrying. Unless of course you are referring to the case of redoing supports where it indicates that she does still love Chrom, but she does make it clear in several S-supports that she moved on, and her endings clearly shows that she has moved on as well. So no, I would argue that you didn’t actually pay any attention to two of these characters that you were trouping just now, and instead just looked and judged that all are the same. Actually look at the videos before making harsh judgments like that. The point of those videos that I mentioned is the case of understanding new perspectives.
Have every supports in the old games actually stuck to the topic at hand with the story? No, it hasn’t. There are many supports that plays absolutely zero role to the story at hand, or has nothing to do with it. Yet we have it nonetheless. The point is to learn more about the characters themselves and understand them. Which you are far more likely to find in Awakening thanks to the removal of the five support restriction.
The supports in the old ones lacked the quantity, while the new ones lack more quality. However, neither is more important than the other, because lacking in one hurts the other. What is needed is more balance.
One of my buddies got me thinking that the amount of colored bow units will be low. They’ll only be colored if they’ve got a legendary bow that has an elemental affinity.
I got a Tana, and she is…-Atk…why do I keep getting f***ing -Atk 5*s? This year’s 5* have been a 70% -Atk pull rate for me. Please add an IV fixer IS, I have way too many of these worthless pulls sitting around collecting dust. I thought things were looking up for the last 3 5*s I pulled, but it’s back to the -Atk curse.
Don’t worry, the two male Grimas I have are both -Atk, same with all my normal Reinhardts, normal Ike and Micaiah. Not to mention that -Def +Spd LA Hector.
Yup, I know the feeling. Since the release of the newer bridal banner, I’ve pulled 11 five-star units, of which 6 have been -Atk (B!Ninian, L’Arachel, B!Cordelia, L!Ryoma, Karla, and S!Innes). The +Atk Legault I got ended up being -Spd though,so that wasn’t the exactly a great trade-off either >_<. One of the few consolations was the Deirdre I managed to pull on the BHB banner. This was my third Deirdre, this time finally +Atk/-Def. I had gotten 2 previously, both of which were–you guessed it–also -Atk. She's on my main team, too, so it was nice to finally get that at least!
I didn’t get Summer Tana, which was the unit I wanted for my Tactic Team, so I need to go to my others Red Mages:
Mage Eirika or Halloween Nowi, both are +Spd -Def. The chosen unit will have Atk Tactic.
Eirika has more Spd and her Tome works pretty well with Swift Sparrow, but Nowi has better mobility and Res.
What do you think is the better opition?
I also have Kinshinoka (+Spd -HP), but then I would have 2 archers (I use Legendary Lyn in my Tactic Team). And I also have LA!Linina (+Spd -Atk), but I would prefer another color.
This is the first seasonal banner I’ve pulled from mainly because Tana happens to be one of my favourite characters. I thought 184 orbs would be enough to get me at least one copy of her.
Keep at it! Unluck is always followed by luck (and vice versa).
I kept rolling for Bridal Lyn all week, and while I failed, I pulled 2 Wedding Cordelias at the end back to back. And then Noire on my free summon on this banner.
Maybe so, it just feels as if the game gives you what you don’t want more often than what you do want. It would be nice if you could set at least one colour to appear out of the five orbs during each session, because I went about three in a row without a single red.
Anyway, I’m all out of orbs for now, but the banner is staying around for a while so I might be able to build up some more of them until it’s over. Grats on your Noire btw, would’ve liked that infantry rush.
Nieve/Niamh does not have an official English name. So think of it something like how people spelled character names from Japanese-only FE games before Heroes gave everything an official spelling/localization. I use “Nieve” because it is the official Japanese “romanji” name for the character as revealed on the FE Cipher site. “Niamh” is the Irish/Gaelic spelling for an Irish female given name pronounced in the same manner (and of which “Nieve” is a common Anglicization). The use of that name comes from bookofholsety, who provides the majority of the English translations for Cipher cards as seen on the official site wiki.
For what it’s worth, both names are pronounced the same, with “Nieve” looking closer to how it sounds when spoken (in Japanese, it’s written as 二―ヴ).
I expected Reinhardt, but not Siegbert. I got totally screwed in the Thracia banner, and now Rein shares colour again. Oof, better wait for the Legendary.
Double banner release? Jeez IS, give me some breathing room will ya. Didn’t get any of the focus, but I did finally pull a 4* L’Arachel with good IVs…so I’m pleased.
Oh, boy! Two banners with units whose weapons got powercreeped by the last one! I got pitybroken by Gaius in a legendary, so the only one worth my orbs is Corrin (I don’t have Ninian).
I don’t have any of the colorless units from Ylissean Summer, or any of the green units from Nohrian Summer. Maybe I will try to get them until the end of the time event. I don’t plan to use any of them, expect Summer Elise’s Green Tome Valor.
Cipher Series 9 was the first to have “Shadows of Valentia” units, and it was released in June 22nd, 2 months after Japan’s release date and 1 month after North America’s release date. So we can deduce they will not release Cipher Cards of units who their game have not being released yet.
If Series 16, with Three Houses units, is planned to be released in Late March, I believe Three Houses will be released in late Fabruary (similar to the North America’s release date of Fates) or early March (taking the Kirby’s Star Allies spot next year).
But what are the people in the Ike V Black Knight image saying? I see everyone looks pissed off except the players, who look bored, but I can’t tell what they’re saying.
I like to have the opinion from other players, so here I go again: I want to build a infantry green mage, but not Nino. My opitions are: Merric or Soren. Both are + Spd / – Def.
Merric has more HP and Def, his tome has CD reduction, affective against flying units and grants +5 Atk/Spd when near Tome or Staff users, which I have one in my team.
Soren has more Atk, Spd and Res, his tome has Chill Atk and Owl effect.
My others infantry units are Marth, Fjorm and Bride Lyn, and any of my units have field buffs. Only combat buffs.
Merric’s refined tome effect is easier to trigger, but only effect Atk and Spd. Soren’s refined tome effect grants bonus to all 4 stats, but needs more strategy to trigger it in full potencial.
I would like to have the opinion from others players about this situation.
The greatest advantage of Soren is that you can use Wind’s Brand, Fury, and Desperation to let him work as an enemy phase unit first and then utilize Iceberg/Glacies with Desperation to blow the next enemy away. Alongside Fjorm and Marth’s Drives, I feel that Soren is probably the best unless you have a huge flier issues, so long as you can utilize the Owl effect (I have never had this issue, and I run the same build on Owl tome Nino in Tier 20 for reference.) Bride Lyn can even heal Soren when necessary to help him enemy phase better.
Merric is good, don’t get me wrong, but Soren has far better potential as he works on both phases. Chill Atk is just an awesome bonus.
If Soren will be adjacent to all 3 units, he will have + 16 Atk, +13 Spd, +10 Def and +13 Res (from the Owl Effect, Marth’s refined Falchion, Drive Spd and Drive Atk SS, Fjorm’s Drive Atk and Bride Lyn’s Drive Res and support bonus) which is amazing. I am not a huge fan of Fury, but I know it’s very useful.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me. I am going with Soren.
Yay.. it’s Hector… Again…
And he is a armored axe unit… Again…
And he has a Armands variation… Again… (we have more Armands Alts than Marths Alts)
With Distant Counter skill… Again… (Why not in his weapon?)
And we will receive a new Hector in two or three months… Again…
Inb4 someone makes a random obligatory comment on how THEY think no one is complaining about Hector and that they think that people complaining about Camilla Alts are hypocrites (seriously, those comments are a thing each time a new alt comes out), believe me, a good number of people are complaining. Even me, a big time bara-daddy Hector Fan. We didn’t need another version because we’re basically getting his CYL version soon.
Another Hector with another Armads with bad timing. If they make a fourth Armads I don’t know whether to laugh and cry. I knew legendary Hector was inevitable despite me preferring at most 3 alts, but doing it now right before CYL is kind of a bad idea
I’m not against Hector being a Legendary unit….but releasing him a mere 2 months after another Blazing Blade character (Lyn) as well as a couple months before his eventual CYL variant doesn’t quite sit well with me.
They should have saved him for a few months later in my opinion.
Well, my guess was Eliwood but maybe next time he get another chance.
This is like a Hector month: Boundhero Battle, Legendary Summon and Cipher reveal~
Here’s to you getting lucky with this banner. The green focus this time around is populated only by good pulls, so at the very least you’ll get something useful.
Wait, hold on. People AREN’T excited about this? Hector is one of my favorites and this art is awesome. He’s basically the defining axe lord, so it would be weird if they had him use a different weapon to me.
People complain about everything everytime. I feel sorry for IS, they try to please the fanbase but it seems that there are complains always. This whole community is getting really ridiculous.
Yeah! They got it rough, honestly. Hector is a fan favorite. He’s not a newer character so the only reason to push him is fanservice. It’s the same for Lyn. There’s literally no reason for us to get multiple versions of her other than she’s a popular character and yet somehow people are complaining we have “too much” Lyn.
You think this is ridiculous? Try looking through the Smash community, we got probably the most exciting game of the year for any Smash fan and a surprising amount of the community were busy being furious Waluigi was still an Assist Trophy.
I’d also like to point out that it’s not necessarily the number of Hector Alts that are the problem, it’s the timing and spacing. Hector won CYL2, so we’re guaranteed to get a new Hector by the end of Summer…so why flood us with Hectors now? The Valentine’s Hector was supposedly already planned out by the time the CYL2 results came in, so it’s excusable, but this Hector could have been held off until some time after we got CYL2 Hector. This way, we would have had Hector hype die down only to get it revived with Legendary Hector. As it is, either this Hector will be almost worthless in a couple months due to the CYL2 Hector coming out and probably being part of a free choice if they do things the same as last time, or this Hector will make almost nobody excited for CYL2 Hector because this Hector makes the other one bad.
Yes, this is ridiculous. Hector won the CYL this year, of course he is going to get a lot of alts, same thing as Lyn. IS knows this and that is why they make these heroes, because they give a lot of money. The main purpose is to make money, just like any other video-game company, and these are the heroes who give them the most profit. As long as they get money, your complains mean very little to them. That is just what reality is, and besides that is just a video-game. Try to enjoy the most of what you can instead of complaining about the little things. Life has so much more problems that we need to focused than a mobile game.
I was gonna try to continue on your claim that the main purpose of the game is to make money, but partway through realized that the claim is flawed. Firstly, the game is inherently free, and can be played without ever spending a single cent. Secondly, adding a new character to an existing game is different from releasing a new product, as the character addition fundamentally alters the game, regardless of whether or not a given individual spends money on it. Third, companies are, to an extent, beholden to their customer base. You can’t sell somebody a luxury that they don’t want. Releasing an undesirable product is contrary to the interests of a company, as it will lead to financial losses.
`Firstly, the game is inherently free, and can be played without ever spending a single cent. `- True but the ones who pay the game are the ones who maintain the game. Without the wales the F2P players would get no content and after a while IS would just stop giving the game content, just like happened with a lot of mobile games. And the most important thing for IS in, in fact, to please the players who are willing to spend a lot of cash in the game.
`Secondly, adding a new character to an existing game is different from releasing a new product, as the character addition fundamentally alters the game, regardless of whether or not a given individual spends money on it`- true but what happens if IS release a non-popular character like Gordin as an alternative version? Do you think people would want to spend money on him? Nope, and as I said without the income IS has very little motivation to support the game. That is why most of the time we get non-popular characters as free units and the ones most desirable are in the banners locked to 5 stars.
`Third, companies are, to an extent, beholden to their customer base. You can’t sell somebody a luxury that they don’t want. Releasing an undesirable product is contrary to the interests of a company, as it will lead to financial losses.`- this is the same thing as I answered in the previous questions. IS wants to make money, that is the solo purpose to continue the game. And to make money they need to please the Majority of the fanbase. You guys who complain about these things think you are the Majority, but the Majority and the important fanbase for IS are the ones who spend a lot of money. And believe me, when I go to tier 20 arena and see those plus 10 bride tharjas, plus 10 legendary lyns, plus 10 Vectors, I know how IS makes so much money with this game. A lot of people complained about Legendary Lyn, I know, but the amount of money that IS earned from that banner was so much that for them it was a sucess.
So that is why I hope IS continues releasing popular characters. They give money to them, and with money more content for all of the players. Alternative versions of Gordin? Nope that would not benefit both the whales, nor IS, nor us in the end.
Technically, a Gordin Alt would benefit IS so long as they made him broken enough to be worth whaling for, something they’re NOT doing with Hector – all the Hectors are almost exactly the same, there’s literally no reason for me to get the new Hector when my OG Hector will be just as viable in a couple months when they let him get the new Armads through Weapon Refinement, just like how I had no reason to go for LA Hector because I knew my OG Hector would just get Berserk Armads anyways and I would be able to make do without the special Skills since I already knew what I wanted out of Hector. If CYL2 Hector is another Green Armor Axe Unit, I’m definitely going to skip him then as well, because I already have OG Hector and don’t need any more Hector in my life.
As for talking about me thinking I’m the Majority when I’m not, I dropped $100 trying for Summer Cordelia because I love Cordelia, and I spent at least $50 when Brave Roy came out because I love Roy. For the most part I’m an F2P kind of guy, but when they put out a character I actually like in a situation I like, then yes, I’m willing to put money into the game, and there are a lot more guys like me out there than you think, and I do know that some of those guys and gals are like that for Hector so please don’t try to use that as an argument against this.
In addition, there are in fact several characters out there(Beaststones anyone?) who are immensely popular and are not in the game, and from what I’ve seen the general opinion of the fanbase is that they’d rather have New Units that aren’t already in the game over Alts of Units we already have like nine times out of ten.
To address your original response to me: ‘Try to enjoy the most of what you can instead of complaining about the little things’ I actually wasn’t complaining about anything – to be honest, I’m happy for Hector fans because they’re getting a chance at recognition – I was trying to let you know where some of the complainers are coming from. I do actually enjoy the most of what I can with this game – I’ve made it my goal to one day have the LV 40 Conversation of every Hero in the entire game, and am genuinely excited for almost every new Unit released as it’s keeping me from getting bored since I always have another LV 40 Conversation to work towards. In addition, Smash Ultimate literally reached back and retroactively fixed everything wrong with the past six months for me and nullifies anything I might have issues with for the next five months, so it’s not like I’d be complaining about this anyways.
“Technically, a Gordin Alt would benefit IS so long as they made him broken enough to be worth whaling for, something they’re NOT doing with Hector – all the Hectors are almost exactly the same, there’s literally no reason for me to get the new Hector when my OG Hector will be just as viable in a couple months when they let him get the new Armads through Weapon Refinement, just like how I had no reason to go for LA Hector because I knew my OG Hector would just get Berserk Armads anyways and I would be able to make do without the special Skills since I already knew what I wanted out of Hector. If CYL2 Hector is another Green Armor Axe Unit, I’m definitely going to skip him then as well, because I already have OG Hector and don’t need any more Hector in my life.” -> maybe some people are willing to get a new Gordin, but most of the people don´t, I am pretty sure most of the people who spend real money would only want one copy of him and stop. To spend real money to get a +10 of him would be a waste to a whale player, since they prefer to do with other units that are more popular. And yeah this is the third Hector, I know people are tired of him being an axe unit, but let’s be real: they needed to release an axe legendary hero at some point, so who is better than Hector, the axe-define lord of the series? And don’t says things like Xander or Camilla because they do not fit this position as well as Hector. And even if some people say they don’t need another axe hector, at this point a lot of whales already have him at +10 merged so it is a win to IS wallet anyway
“As for talking about me thinking I’m the Majority when I’m not, I dropped $100 trying for Summer Cordelia because I love Cordelia, and I spent at least $50 when Brave Roy came out because I love Roy. For the most part I’m an F2P kind of guy, but when they put out a character I actually like in a situation I like, then yes, I’m willing to put money into the game, and there are a lot more guys like me out there than you think, and I do know that some of those guys and gals are like that for Hector so please don’t try to use that as an argument against this.”-> same here, I already spent a lot of money in this game. Just to get Summer Tana I wasted more than 300 dollars since I got pity broken so many times. But the thing is that even if you do not want the new hector, there are lots of people who want him, and theare are people who are going to +10 him. These are the players who give the most amount of money to IS, and they are willing to spend thousands of dollars to get a super merged version of their favorite character. With characters like Lyn, Hector, Ike, Lucina, and others, it is very likely people are going to do that. But with Gordin? Very unlikely.
“In addition, there are in fact several characters out there(Beaststones anyone?) who are immensely popular and are not in the game, and from what I’ve seen the general opinion of the fanbase is that they’d rather have New Units that aren’t already in the game over Alts of Units we already have like nine times out of ten.” -> that is true, that are a lot of beaststones units that people want, including the whales. But so far IS has not implemented the concept of Beaststones into the game yet, so we cannot talk about it with specifics. But I am pretty sure once they get it done the whales are going to spend money on the ones that are popular, such as Selkie, Kaden, Tibarn and others. And soon people are going to complain that we got too many versions of these characters in the future as well when we start to get alts of them.
If you look in the bottom left hand corner when a character is selected, you can see there’s a little sprite of them. Nothing major, but I thought it was cute nontheless.
Are you freaking KIDDING ME?! They still haven’t released Brave Hector, but they’re gonna release Legendary Hector?! And why is he still an Axe Knight with his Armads and his Distant Counter skill like Normal Hector and Valentine’s Hector?! This is stupid, it’s beyond bullcrap! I will NOT waste any of my Orbs on this next Legendary Hero Banner! Besides, I’ve had enough with “Green Hell”, if I can’t summon Gunnthra or Legendary Lyn, why would I bother trying to summon Legendary Hector?! Seriously, what a waste of space Legendary Hector is! To Hell with the Legendary Hero Banners, I’ve been trolled with 3-Star Heroes long enough!
Of the things the fandom has complained about, this seems perfectly reasonable to complain about. A third armoured axe Hector with Distant Counter, and Armads (albeit a different version), and within only a few months since the last alt… with such a similar kit. Why would you expect people not to complain about something like that?
Alt-related anger aside, i’d like to call out IS for the cowards they are on not giving Hector his FE6 beard. At least make him look a little different lol
*sigh* I like Hector, but, another Armored, Armads wielding Hector? C’mon…
I think Eliwood would be better, the guy is just a nobody on Heroes, and he was supposed to be the Main Lord in Blazing Blade.
Just wait, when CYL hits the scene, we will have Armads Emblem.
Not gonna make the obvious complaint of too many Hectors, but his unique skills are kinda dogshit.
I mean, his weapon skill and C skill don’t mesh with each other. The weapon wants you to be close to your teammates, but the C skill encourages you to have a mixed-movement team, which makes it difficult to actually have your teammates nearby without potentially wasting the teammates’ movement advantage.
With my 60 orbs (including the Hector’s Battle obs), I got… A Legendary Hector! And a really good one! +Def -Spd. Also, his battle was pretty easy… My Tactic Team destroyed hum and his army.
Speaking If Legendary Hero… July’s Hero is Blue (hoping for a tome or archer), August’s Hero will be red orçamento colorless, September’s is blue or colorless and October’s isn’t blue.
Nice, so far I’ve been screwed by a poor IV LA!Roy and L!Ike, the pulls from colorless and reds that I wanted the least. I seriously have enough Ikes, this is my 4th pull so far (none of which have had good IVs) and what I actually wanted was Elise and Tharja, but I guess that’s how the RNG rolls…it reads your mind and gives you the opposite of what you want.
Tactic Team? I see you’re a man of culture as well. I pulled two Legaults in his banner just for his skill.
And yes, the only non-gray archer is Lyn and we need something new. I thought the next banner would be about Echoes and have Python as blue archer, but alas.
Tactic Team is something pretty good. Different from the emblem teams, which are focus only in one movement type and can be expose to weakness easily (weapons effective against), Tactic Team have a good variety. My team is:
Vanguard Ike: Ragnell, Reposition, Radiant Aether, Warding Breath, Quick Riposte 3, Def Tactic 3, Distant Def 3 SS;
Mage Eirika: Gleipnir, Reposition, Moonbow, Swift Sparrow 2, Desperation 3, Atk Tactic 3, Res Tactic 3 SS;
Legendary Lyn: Swift Mulagir, Reposition, Luna, Laws of Sacae, Desperation 3, Spd Tactic 3, Spd Smoke 3;
Bride Ninian: Fresh Bouquet (Spd), Dance, Glimmer, Atk/Res 2, Chill Atk 3, Res Tactic 3, Def Tactic 3 SS.
I am thinking to change Eirika’s Moonbow to Glimmer, and Ninian has Bladetome, but I like to use Fresh Bouquet.
The amount of tactics I see has made me use PP on Sheema more to counter it. It has also given my Roro more of a niche with his built in effect, will probably give him windsweep once I get one to pass down.
+def -spd good? I don’t know much but I was under the impression my -def, +spd Hector would be preferable. Let me know if I’m wrong, I’m still learning optimal IVs but I recall pretty much every unit desiring a +spd or atk and my Hector has been an absolute beast.
For me, Hector don’t need speed. Legendary Hector is a Enemy’s phase unit. His Armads stop enemy’s follow-ups, and Vengeful Fighter allows Hector to do follow-ups, so Spd is not important for him. Actually, L’ Hector +Spd is 26, which is not that great.
With a +Def, Hector will reach 44 Def (41+3), which is great. In my opinion, Spd Bane is the best choice for Legendary Hector.
But, of couse, a +Def/-Spd or +Spd/-Def are better than don’t have Legendary Hector, right?
Did a full circle only and grabbed Elise! Very unexpected. Ironically, I pulled a Camilla and Male Corrin right before her XD
Looks like the next LH is Blue. But Ephraim isn’t returning until OCTOBER. That means this new hero will be for July and September, with Fjorm in August. Man poor Ephraim, he got shafted!
We know the next L’ Hero will be blue, because July’s banner have Lyn, Ryoma and Robin. August’s banner will have Fjorm and Gunnthrá, so it can have a red or colorless unit as new hero. In September’s banner we have Ike and Hector, so it can have a blue hero or a colorless hero. Finally, in the October’s banner we know the new hero will not be blue, because Ephraim was confirmed for the banner.
What are my thoughts: August’s banner will have a red unit as new Legendary Hero, with Fjorm, Gunnthrá and Robin being the others L’ Heroes. For September’s banner, I believe will be the time for a new Colorless hero, and the others L’ Heroes will be Ike, Ryoma and July’s blue hero.
Imagine trying to summon LA Lyn in her original banner and getting 3 pity breakers then getting cockblocked on this banner by Morgan, I would have liked Ephraim. I guess it wasn’t meant to be.
Is that Sonya from Gaiden/Shadows of Valentia or Sonia from Blazing Blade? I’m confused because it says Villain side and I know sonya was a villain if you choose her map but the hair looks more like Sonia
Of course. Completely understandable too. I didn’t play the original gaiden before shadows of Valentia came out so I didn’t even know who sonya was and when I did I started to wonder if Sonia from 7 was spelled the same way. I actually thought it was spelled Sonja in 7 but that’s just me mixing up letters. It gets confusing when they use repeated names for an example Selena. Selena is the mage knight from 8 but also Severa’s name in fates. Whenever I google Sonia it comes up with Sonya. Anyway, thank you for the fix! These cards look incredible. I’m happy I actually have a PoR deck that i got as a gift. The cards art really is incredible
I can totally see almost everyone going to Arvis’ side just for the lols and memes considering what happens between him and Sigurd in FE 4. I predict that Sigurd’s gonna lose badly, poor Marth is likely to lose since I’m pretty sure Hardin is way more popular and as for L!Ike/Zelgius and L!Ephraim/Lyon, probably could go either way can’t really say for sure (these are of course guesses at best so it’ll still be up in the air till the Gauntlet starts). Got all but Hardin, Zelgius and Sigurd and considering the new banner has THREE red focus units Sigurd and Zelgius are quite honestly out of range since both can be blocked by Marth and haven’t really decided if I want to try for Hardin since I really want Hector on the current Legendary banner.
That being said I’m probably gonna go with Ike then probably Marth if he wins and Ike loses somehow then after that probably Ephraim if he wins all the way to the finals.
Or it could be a Flier and Horse effective weapon as Draconic could just be referring to flying in the wyvern sense. It wouldn’t be as amazing, but it would still be pretty neat.
Follow up on her weapon, the Japanese name is 傭兵団の戦斧, which translates to Mercenary Battle Axe. So maybe it’ll still be some kind of “effective vs” weapon, but most likely will be something that more closely relates to her personality or relationship to the Griel Mercenaries.
Bah, I’ll go for Arvis! I don’t even use him, but he’s a damn great villain and a terrifying boss.
PD: Anyone who support him just to make Sigurd lose and make memes out of it should be burned as well.
I was having problems with Infernal, until I decide to try my Armored Team and… Victory! Legendary Hector, Male Grima, Valentine Lyn and Winter Tharja destroyed the enemy!
Wow, this is a really tempting banner, I was saving orbs for the next summer banner, but I could not resist and used my 130 saved orbs, and I end up getting 1 Male Morgan and 3 Mias as five stars.
No way I’m waiting the second special banner, since I still have the free summon of the other one.
The banner is good, they’re all 5* exclusive and I really want Chill Spd for my Soren. But I almost run out of orbs in the legendary.
2 Reds showed up, the free wasn’t anything special (seriously can’t remember) but the 2nd was a +atk/-def Mia, I am very pleased. Still have a good number of orbs on me that are getting saved up for the next summer banner.
I am planning to go to Japan on August, I will attent to Nagoya event. Someone knows how early have to be to get some mercha staff? I dont know how crazy it will be ! 🙂 thanks
The merchandise area opens from 9:30 and lasts till 15:30. So it’s accessible immediately when the event starts. I don’t have first-hand knowledge, but I always hear of play mats selling out. To avoid disappointment, I’d suggest going as early as possible ^^
Oh yeah. If you want the fortune papers/omikuji, they are only available from 11:30 for some reason.
Aw, thought the Nagoya one said July for a second…
I’m just going to be in Japan for about 2 weeks and I leave before the first one even starts…
I might look into if a friend can pick some things up for me maybe.
Left looks like Lyn..de. Right reminds me of Camilla from the Beach-DLC. Others could be Azura, Sakura, well you already know what I mean.
But I like Micaiah, it would be interesting if she cover her hand or not.
Can’t say for the one on the left but the one on the right looks like Ninian. Problem is that both silhouettes look like they both have long hair so its hard to tell.
I’m so excited about ignoring this banner it’s not even normal. At least there’s another dragon counter… on a dragon. And that Linde should be fun with Scape Route.
Meh, this is a banner I’ll pass on, might try for Camilla ONLY for that Hone Fliers since regular Hinoka never popped up for me and that skill is rare as is. Might try for kid Tiki too because of Dragon Valor. Other than those two gonna pass, seriously IS have a little more verity with the special characters and quite focusing so dang much on Awakening/Fates.
Eh its not so much that I hate them (I don’t actually, just the opposite in that I like them just fine), just annoyed they get so much attention. While I’m not against Wrys being on a Summer banner, I’d rather have seen Marth and Ceada on this banner alongside Linde and K!Tiki and just make it a full on Shadow Dragon Summer banner. No comment on Oliver though. Basically I’d rather these special banners have characters from the same game or at least those of a similar “era” if you will, like they did with the previous Valentines banner. I’m not saying they should put say Hector or Lyn back on another banner as even I can admit that they’ve had their time in the spotlight (not to mention Hector’s gonna be back as a CYL unit) despite being a fan of 7, just saying that the other games could really use more attention like FE 4/5 or even Gaiden/SOV could use more characters in the game since if I’m thinking of the numbers right, they have the fewest characters in the game as is.
I personally am a bit bias for my girl Camilla so I’m not upset about this banner…but I do get the sentiment. I’d like to see other characters outside the typical Awakening/Fates seasonals. I mention Wrys and Oliver in a meme sort of way that would be hilarious if they were included as summer alts.
If I were to choose seriously, I’d like to see a full set from the Telius games with Titania, Shinon, Jill (FE10) and Haar (assuming that Laguz are to be held off until their official addition) or a full set from Sacred Stones. I know we got Tana and Innes, but I’d like to see the whole Gerick mercenaries get put in: Gerick, Marisa, Tethys, and Ewan.
In that we can agree. And while we’re on the subject since you mention Wrys, might as well be a full Elder Advisers Summer banner (since they are seen advising the main Lord on what to do save for Wrys but thats besides the point) with his fellow elders like Marcus (doesn’t matter which one since he’s, at start at least, the oldest member of the army) and Jegain, may as well toss Gunther in there just cause he’s an elder like the other two or Wallace since I do believe he’d be about the same age as Marcus give or take a year or two.
I think the cannons just look that way because they get to hang loose without much pushing them up. The other three Camillas respectively have form fitting armour, a corset, and an obi that looks really tight.
All those free feathers from the drills are pretty nice and Grandmaster was more fun than I expected. I think I would’ve prefered Ryoma, Hinoka, or Sakura though, because they have less alts in comparison to Camilla and Takumi.
Hm… I don’t think so… If I am not wrong, there isn’t a normal cavalier who uses daggers that IS could use in Heroes. Maybe if IS decided to use Yukimura and consider the Mechanist’s puppet a horse. I believe there are no flying dagger unit or cavalry dagger unit in the Fire Emblem Games, so no weapon-movement combo had been stolen by a seasonal unit.
What I meant was that, rather than doing something interesting like Yukimura as a mounted Mechanist, they just took the easy route and slapped Linde onto a horse.
I’m just being whiny, tho.
With 70 orbs I got Summer Young Tiki and Summer Linde, both +Def/-Res, which for Tiki is ok but for Linde is really bad.
I also got a 4* +Atk Titania, which I am thinking to promote her. As a Tactic skill fan, she looks to be useful in my tactic team
I’ve been hit by a +Def curse, it’s the only explanation. Recently I summoned a +Def -Spd Zelgius, which isn’t all that bad and could be much worse. But I got a -Atk S!Cordelia, -Spd S!Noire and -Hp S!Linde. Guess what? All of them as +Def.
I feel ya, I’ve been cursed with -atk pulls in almost every banner. This one hit me with a -atk Hardin, the last one was a -atk S!Tana, there was then a -atk K!Hinoka. 70% of my 5* pulls this year have been -atk, and I really question how truly random this game’s rng is at times.
They really want to push Flier Emblem this year. Well, I got Flykumi and Hinbowka in my first summon round + my 1 Jeorge since launch 1 and half years later!
Yeah… since January we had a lot of interesting flying units: Summer Takumi, Summer Camilla, Summer Tana, Summer Innes, Spring Kagero, Bride Ninian, Bride Sanaki, Female Morgan, Flying Nino, Kinshinoka, Female Grima, Kinshyoma, Shigure and Myrrh. All of them have something interesting, some more than others of course.
We getting another seasonal banner this summer in August? It’s not the CYL banner since “Special” refers to units that aren’t added to the regular summoning pool. So unless this year’s CYL are limited, which I highly doubt, IS is keeping CYL a secret until it’s time and we’re going to get more seasonal alts. Will they be more summer alts or something like the Performance Banner?
I would not mind another Summer-Banner~ Preparing for CYL2, this new special heroes banner must have something cool just to reveal CYL2 afterwards. Maybe Green Bow Midori or Darkmage Micaiah or a TMS#…maybe not yet.
Seeing as the current summer banners feature Shadow Dragon, Sacred Stones, Awakening, and Fates, I think that a hypothetical 3rd summer banner should include Genealogy (since hasn’t gotten alts yet) and the Telius games (only 1 alt discounting Ike). I don’t really have any personal preference who outside of perhaps Titania getting an seasonal alt after what they did to her with Draconic Poleaxe.
I would definitely not want anyone from FE7 getting anymore alts for a while seeing as the game has been quite heavy with FE7 for while now. Come next year, I wouldn’t mind seeing FE7 characters get summer alts, Pent and Louise would be my personal picks.
Some SoV and Binding Blade characters would be nice too, because it’s been a while since we’ve gotten any. As I recall, there haven’t been any of them since the start of Book II barring Fallen Celica and Valentines Roy and Lilina.
Only one New Heroes summing event :/ yikes, guess I’m saving some more orbs then. These alt banners are killing my interest in the game. I will never forgive IS if they don’t add every FE character in to the game because they were too busy spamming alts at us.
Realistically speaking, they can’t add every character. They must stick to the popular/profitable characters and add one or two “niche” favorites for good measure. There are a bunch of forgettable and unremarkable characters in the series, of which only the newest ones might appear in the game if they have “meme status” (like Dorkas).
Even without the glitch killing all but one enemy on a map then resetting allows you to keep accumulated SP and grind this way if the map is easy enough.
Yo Kirie, Tana is also available right now(I should know, I’m still trying for Noire and more Cordelia ignoring the other swimsuits entirely), so it’s all seven summonable Bonus Units.
Accessories have been a big disappointment so far. Why does IS keep introducing half baked ideas and then dropping them like they don’t exist? It makes me want to rant…
Accessories come one hero per equip, and no dupes so you can never have multiple heroes wearing the same thing(but now enemy armies CAN have duplicate accessories…), there are only like 10 of them and most are underwhelming, being released in a trickle despite the plethora of events to dump them into as prizes.
Colored bows get ONE unit, a character who should never have been a bow unit… and has not been made available since release.
Tempest Trials rereleasing Marth… again…
Grand Conquest just kinda shows up whenever, and hasn’t been used for distributing any interesting exclusive items like Accessories or characters since Kaze, who is now in the summoning pool anyway.
Even the story, which was turning into something interesting with the initial introduction of Book 2, has since devolved into loads of characters we are shown once and then never again who are not playable, has still not reintroduced Zacharias since Book 1 ended in such a way as to make it seem like he never existed, and has now been placed in an annoying seemingly endless rut with its unkillable villain(which is one of the most annoying plot types IMO a person can come up with, certainly when it is done poorly)
I’d like CYL2 but I’m hesitant to believe it’ll come in this specific direct. Last year, there was specific mention of a CYL-based Feh channel, which they didn’t do for this one.
Since CYL2 has been deconfirmed by the devs, that means this is Feh Channel is going to focus on changes, new features and the likes.
~My biggest hope is that a large chunk of the 5* exclusives get demoted down to also being 4*.
~It would be nice if they updated the generic refinement pool as well seeing as weapons like the gems, or brave weapons have all been power crept in favor of slayer weapons. I’d also like for the Askr trio to finally get their much needed refinements.
~I initially thought that the CYL2 banner would mark the end of book 2, but my guess now is that it’ll now be the start of book 3. What I think will happen is that Veronica will join Askr at the end of book 2 and I feel like the Askr trio will potentially get weapon refinements, giving them their second wind to defeat Surtr for good.
I don’t know, IF Hector and Takumi get demoted (and thats a big if too) then CC and DC would likely be 5* exclusive to keep whalers and the like from hoarding a whole bunch of them and sticking those two skills on just about everyone. Not saying you’re wrong mind you but just wanted to throw that out there. Personally I’d like regular Lyn to be demoted so I can get my hands on her, been after her for well over a year since game launch and she’s NEVER popped up. Everything else I agree could happen though but we’ll have till tomorrow when the channel goes live.
You’re right; Close Counter is already 5* exclusive, based on the 4* Takumi everyone gets at the start of the game now. Distant Counter would probably be the same way. We’d still get Goad Armor though. 🙂
Please, IS, add old TT rewards in the pool. Units like Tobin or Clive could be 3-4 stars, and units like Joshua or Black Knight could be 4-5 stars or 5* exclusive.
In all seriousness, there must be a sizable market for them to publish these. Personally I never expected these, but I wouldn’t mind a fan book for my favourite characters ^^
It says more about how big the generic jrpg crowd is rather than the series as a whole. FE didn’t suddenly get massively popular because of what the series is renowned for.
My thoughts about the FEH Channel content:
– I am happy with this banner. They look good units. My guess for demotion are Sumia or Libra, and I want Olivia (flying dancer) and Mirabelle (staff valor), and a Axe Cavalry unit as GHB? Great!
– A new TT+ where all the rewards are units? Great! I would prefer the unit in the pool, but…
– Forging Bonds looks ok, I new way to get itens, I guess…
About the Askr Trio refinements:
– Alfonse: His refinement is pretty good! Brazen Atk/Def is great! The Triangle Adept effect is bad. I will probably give him a Atk or Spd refinement.
– Sharena: Great refinement! Very useful! Be able to negate any foe’s field bonus is very useful, and Spd/Def Bond will help her.
– Anna: Poor Anna. Her refinement don’t help her in a useful way. She needs some Atk and Def!
Also… Hríd looks amazing! Great desing! I hope to get him soon!
So the updates to the arena doesn’t really address the issues that have been plaguing it since forever. I can see what they’re trying to do but encouraging players to use more bonus units in their offense team, which it does somewhat fix on that front…but the biggest issue is on the defense team side of things as Tier 20 is plague by Armor Emblem teams and lower scores (seen by newcomers) by Horse Emblem.
Out of the 3 Askr refinements, Sharena probably has the most solid one as it can counter Emblem teams that love their Hone/Fortify buffs and the bond skills is nice. Alfonse is next as it basically just makes him a better version of what everyone already builds him as; now you have an open slot A, it could be argued that this makes him better than Sharena due to the stronger niche utility it give him. Anna’s is sadly not very good, the warp ability could be good if she had the power, but her 29Atk just doesn’t sync well with it.
I was thinking the same thing, just wish they stuck with the axe in literally ALL of his art. I have the same gripe about Azura and her not having the holy lance. A wo dao axe would have worked much better as a weapon refreshment for another unit like Gunter or Arthur or maybe even as a weapon for Vaike (Still cant believe he isnt in the game yet like wtf is going on). Oh well, maybe they’ll inevitably buff him with the bolt axe in a few months when it becomes obvious that his starting skills and stat spread suck.
Walhart is finally in the game! Great! As a GHB, so he will probably suck.
Another Aweakening banner, with yet again, a female and male ratio of 3:1 and with another alt in it… And i just wonder who’s gonna be demoted to 4*, hint, he is male even if he looks like a girl. Im happy with Maribelle though.
The only good refinement is for Sharena. IS seriously think that Triangle Adept Weapons is good? Poor Anna, why can’t you have good things?
Awakening… What a lame birthday present, but at least they’re all new except Olivia, so no really complaining (Binding Blade deserved it better, though).
And now, how is it that these characters got those arts while Eliwood and Lloyd look stoned?
Lets just be happy that they stopped putting out derp art after Athena and have at least been trying lol. Fingers crossed for updated art soon though. RIP Ogma, Jagen, Raven (his actually isnt that bad but could be way better), Zelgius, Hector, Lonqu and everything Yamada Akihiro and AKIRA touched. Oh and Happy Birthday!
Because Sumia has Close Defense and that lance, Maribelle has Dazzling Staff, and just look at Olivia!
I might be wrong, but they try very hard to keep the good skills at 5*.
With Hrid being a sword user, I wonder….. who will the next LH be? We know it’s Blue. A lance wielding Eliwood, Sigurd, Seliph, or Xander? Maybe Light Priestess Micaiah? Or an original character? Hard to tell.
I’ve been looking for a while now, but I still can’t draw any lines between the two of them. The closest thing I could come up with is that the two share identical poses that are flipped.
Hríd looks really good actually. Also surprised and kinda sad that we got another Awakening banner, but still don’t have Owain. We finally get Sumia though!
I’d guess Owain, despite his popularity on both the homefront (IE, Japan) and amongst the Western fanbase, is probably lower on the list of IS’ priorities since he’s technically already in the game as Odin…the two might be radically different classes, but they are the same character, so that’s my thought as to why we might not have gotten Owain yet. And probably the same reason for why Severa hasn’t shown up yet either.
That makes sense, given that when they did the Warriors Awakening DLC maps, they represented Owain with Odin as if it was the exact same character (I suppose it technically is, but yeah).
I said it on reddit as well, but I’m both slightly worried yet hopeful about this. On one hand, it could give way to better characterization of characters who weren’t very well shown originally or help give some to ones who don’t have any to begin with. On the other, it could be just another player pandering “you’re so great, smart etc.” thing that Maeda loves. I can only hope it’s the former and not the latter.
I summoned a Maribelle today, +Res -Spd, but I don’t know if I will use her. I have a +Atk -Def Nanna in my Cavalry Team. I know Maribelle is stronger, but Nanna is a 4*-5* unit, so is easier to get merges (because I doubt Maribelle will be demoted, she will probably continue to be 5*). My Nanna can reach 45 Atk if I give her Slow+/Fear+, and with Atk+3 skill. I will wait until this banner ends. If Maribelle gets demoted, which I doubt, I will invest on her. If not, I will probably keep my Nanna, which I can make +3 already.
Ope, I knew that, but I only corrected the copy/paste error for Normal, not the other difficulties. Thank you for pointing that out! I’ll get it corrected in the article now. I hope no one is too disappointed.
I’ve been waiting for Rhajat to come back into Focus for long enough that I don’t care at this point. The Legendary Banners are generally not very interesting for me anyways, unless they bring Bridelia back again, which is doubtful.
This is very unfair. So the ones who manage to get to the great summoner tier will get 1 more orb than the previous tiers. This means that the whales will have an advantage in terms of F2P orbs as well compared to F2P players. Before that it did not matter as long as you stayed in tier 18 to get the same amount of orbs, and for a F2P player that was not hard, but now it is not going to be impossible to get up with them.
This is very unfair. So the ones who manage to get to the great summoner tier will get 1 more orb than the previous tiers. This means that the whales will have an advantage in terms of F2P orbs as well compared to F2P players. Before that it did not matter as long as you stayed in tier 18 to get the same amount of orbs, and for a F2P player that was not hard, but now it is not going to be impossible to keep up with them.
The skills set thing is something I’ve been wanting for a while. If I understand correctly you can give one unit in a different team something like Quick Reposte and swap around in chain challenges.
Why did they not add the ability to stay within Tier 18 and 19 but they did for Tier 20? I’ve been going back and forth between 19 and 18 every week because I’m barely unable to make Tier 20; it made no sense then and it makes even less sense now.
I finally did it. Definitely one of the if not the most difficult GHB maps. That’s most likely due to reinforcements appearing everywhere. The debuff theme was neat though if a bit annoying
It’s only difficult until you realise that you can influence the reinforcements through killing mages or not. Due to that aspect, Lunatic took me more tries than Infernal since it was hard to hold back killing them both in one turn.
Some nice changes, I basically stopped playing the Grand Conquests because I don’t have a lot of time to play so it’s a bummer to have long maps where I don’t get any experience/SP.
Well I take it the dislike to like ratio on YouTube is a pretty good indicator that not a single person wants this. Come on IS, stop milking Lucina, Lyn and Camilla and just give us some interesting legendary heroes. I mean Hector and Lyn get one but not Eliwood? Nice try but I’m saving orbs AGAIN and I’m losing even more interest in the game with every crappy Alt banner.
It’s not just the never ending parade of alts, but that we get yet another goof of a character instead of their proper endgame form. Hector hasn’t had a single variant not use Armads and we will likely get Brave Armads Hector as well, which is flat out stupid, but here on the other side why would anyone want Bow versions of legendary sword fighter heroes? Lyn and Lucina have enough goofy alts, give them proper legendary forms if you are gonna spam us with them anyway. Because really, so many alts keep the color type of their previous versions: Lucina has only ever been Blue or Red, Nino was kept Green, I already mentioned Hector. There are more bow versions of Lyn than Sword, and more Blue Lucina than Red. They aren’t making every alt different in an interesting enough way half the time for it to be an excuse to make awkward legendary forms out of them.
AND she is a colored Bow, the stupidest addition to the game aside from the endless alts… really, when you think about some of this it also kinda feels like they made colored bows specifically to turn Sword legendary heroes into different colors, while also making legendary heroes with physical range and no distant counter, since only legendary heroes have colored bows and they have been trickling out even slower than original character reps have been.
Yeah, it’s like they’re scared of innovation. Soon or later, characters like Devdan, Moulder, Boah, Vyland (and a lot more of useless SD units) should appear. If it wasn’t for LLyn’s Tactic I wouldn’t even try this.
I think they added colored archers because they wanted variation instead of making them all colorless. Again, it’s like having blue swords because it’s the most common weapon in the franchise. Stupid, indeed.
You are wrong dude. There are a bunch of people who are also excited about this. Actually everyone should know that Lucina would get a legendary alt someday. And the thing here is the same with the Leg Lyn banner. Even if a lot of people dislike it, in the end so many people are going to spend money because of these characters that for IS it is going to be a win anyway.
This was to be expected, I suppose. Chrom and Lucina both have the same number of variants but the latter is more popular, and female Robin already has a Legendary variant so one for male Robin would’ve been redundant, and nobody else in Awakening is appropriate for the spot of Legendary Hero. If I manage to get her, hopefully she sees more use than Legendary Lyn.
If her blessing only was Water, she would be sooo Blue~ And finally Lucina Emblem (I don´t count Masked Marth this time (°w°)
This could potentially make Alm an Legendary Red Bow Unit, because that´s what happen to Swordunits right now.
Anyway, I want a new Hero banner with Greil, Elena, Sephiran and Zelgius + Ashnard GHB~
Oof, that dislike ratio. I’m not really interested in L!Lucina, but I would like either an Azura who isn’t -atk, an Ishtar who isn’t -spd, or a NY!Camila to +. If I do get a L!Lucina, depending on her IVs, I’ll probably just fodder her off for Drive DD.
Well Lucina is one of my favorite characters in the series so it’s nice she has another alt. I don’t have many orbs left though since I’ve spent most of them on the Ylissean Visitors banner trying to get Sumia. Oh well, maybe another time…but then again, I don’t play Heroes as much as I used to.
P.S. I don’t care about the like/dislike ratio I see on the YouTube video. As a matter of fact, I don’t speak for anyone.
Yeah… Me too. I got 2 Ishtars (at least I got a +Atk/-Def) and a Winter Lissa when no blues appeared. Let’s wait until november.
CYL is near, and… Although people want Hríd as Legendary Hero as soon as possible, having him before CYL will be a wrong move from IS… I will keep all my August orbs for CYL.
I completely forgot we would be getting quests too. Nice, more orbs to try and get Lucina with. Or, you know, the 4th Ishtar I just summoned XD
RIP 400+ orbs
Oh man, may I ask how many orbs that took you? I managed to get a Winter Lissa too on an off pull, so I have some great fodder out of it, but I semi-whaled and I would love just one copy of Lucy lmao.
November is too far away for my sanity, but at this point a pitybreak Azura isn’t worth the cash, especially when I already have one.
I think I spent about 250 Orbs in all. One of the Ishtar’s was actually my free summon. Most of those were saved Orbs, though I did give in and buy a €21 pack.
I have all the Heroes from those Banners, except Sanaki, Jaffar, Elincia, Delthea, and Karel! But, uh-uh, I refuse to get trolled with 3-Star Heroes or 5-Star Pity Breakers again, I’m NOT falling for that BS!
Anna x Celica support conversation in Warriors mentioned it, and it’s very interesting… about Anna surprised that there are no Annas in Valentia and Celica surprised to know there are a lot of Annas.
My free summons for the daily banners:
Weapon Triangle: 3* Roy
Vantage: 3* Fir
Fury:
Hone Atk:
Quick Riposte:
Life and Death:
Blade Skills:
Threaten Def:
Death Blow:
Threaten Spd:
Flier Boost Skills:
Death Blow 2:
Powerful Specials:
Weapons to Refine:
Weapons to Refine 2:
I was getting really underwhelming pulls on the first 4, but then I got a 5* Nino on the Hone Atk; neutral IVs, but that doesn’t matter since she was immediately merged into my +Spd/-Res to get to +2.
That were some annoying quests! The Lv 20 foes is easy, but for the Lv 35 foes I needed to use a team which the main objective were to boost Wrys stats (Marth with refined Falchion, drive skills and Tactic skills)
I got the orb from the “Win the Grand Hero Battle against Takumi: Empty Vessel with Fjorm on your team.” quest by beating this GHB on the easier difficulty, and that’s the only orb I will get.
Also, the unit reward is a 3* Fallen Takumi and not a 3* Oliver. Although, I would prefer a Oliver for the Mirror Strike…
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true. Abel is in the game since the game launch, and my first Abel was early this year, after the game 1 year anniversary.
Agreed, It kinda looks like he has a pingpong paddle in his hand. Ryoma also looks like he has a paddle and is damaged, so therefore the inferior pingpong player… So this could possibly be a hot springs banner?
My free summons for the daily banners:
Weapon Triangle: 3* Roy
Vantage: 3* Fir
Fury: 4* Sothe
Hone Atk: 5* Leo (+Res/-Def). I don’t know if I will use him or give QR to someone else.
Quick Riposte: 3* Hinata
Life and Death: 4* Saizo
Blade Skills:
Threaten Def:
Death Blow:
Threaten Spd:
Flier Boost Skills:
Death Blow 2:
Powerful Specials:
Weapons to Refine:
Weapons to Refine 2:
Do they play Ping-Pong together?
It´s like they want Charas, who have alts already, have a full [Unit name here]-Emblem team. Or it seems to me they have a higher priority about other units.
Micaiah and Elincia look great, I’m very pleased with their art. Though I have to say, IS has lost me on what counts as a rejuvenating dance. Because Xander, what you just did there was far from rejuvenating.
This is a interesting banner, and I am happy this is a 1 month banner, so I will probably wait until late August to decide if I will pull or not.
Xander will probably have high Atk and Def but poor Spd and Res. Elincia looks great! I am not a huge fan of Push skills. The perfect weapons for this type of skills are the 2017’s spring weapons. I would prefer Fire Storm Dance too. Ryoma with a blue dagger strong against armored foes, TA 3 and Chill Def will be the bane of red armored units. Micaiah looks amazing too, and her skill set is great too. She is all about RES.
My priority will be Elincia and Ryoma, because the new weapon type, but all four are really good units. But I will wait until late August… CYL is coming…
Also… can we expect colored staff too? A colored staff unit would be perfect as Legendary Hero!
Suddenly, just as many colored dagger users as colored bows. That was faster than I espected. Well, they did change the effect of Daggerbreaker with the Colorless dragon update.
Strange is with Micaiahs arrival, that all my orbs are gone for good.
Celica as Robin Echoe FIghter? She will not have the limit uses for tomes and sword, but her attacks will do less damage.
At this point, I don’t believe Smash Ultimate will have another Fire Emblem fighter… unless DLC happens.
that, or make her pichu-esque. though I’d prefer a full on mage in that case. I’m also not ruling out a FE16 rep just yet, I mean heck, FE6 had a year left until release when melee first came out.
That’s rich. Smash has already made Roy out to be some important character when he isn’t. Alm may not be popular enough but at least he’s a more interesting addition than Chrom.
Too bad for you, kiddo, Sakurai is done adding any more Fire Emblem characters. Chrom is where Sakurai draws the line, 7 swordfighters from the FE series is more than enough, 8 is too many, so your “Alm” request is rejected, kiddo. Ha ha.
You know, it’s possible to get your point across without namecalling.
Besides, I’m not even saying that Alm should be included alongside Chrom. However, I do think there is a very good possibility of a FE16 character being added, either in the base game or as DLC, in order to hype up the release of their game.
You call people “kiddos” and still believe Sakurai, like the Easter Bunny, is in complete charge of who’s added to the roster? He obviously had to add corrin for promotional reasons and there’s no way to know where whoever’s in charge will draw the line.
Either that or he has poor taste in regards to FE. lol
Also Pebbicle wanted Alm INSTEAD of this FE13 weenie.
Ah, but Sakurai IS in charge of who’s added to the roster, he created the Super Smash Bros. series, it’s his decision, not yours, and when he says goes. Which is why Chrom, the last sword fighter from the FE franchise, is where Sakurai draws the line.
Also, that’s your gay friend’s loss for whining and begging for Alm, the other sword fighter, and the non-popular one at that, to be added in Smash, when clearly, Chrom was chosen instead. In fact, that’s your loss too. Ha ha.
Lol, clearly you’re a little angry because some people don’t like your boyfriend Chrom, so I will forgive you for that.
Sakurai is not really in charge, there’s a whole team behind Smash Bros making decisions.
I WISH they had drawn the line after adding Lucina but there’s no way of knowing when they’ll stop adding bad FE reps.
Joke’s on you, Chrom is a fictional character, so a fictional character can’t be my “boyfriend”. You and your gay kind are just butthurt because Sakurai chose Chrom over Alm. You were always whining and complaining like a butthurt gay face.
And yes, Sakurai is definitely in charge, he tells his team what to do. He makes decisions on what to add, and then he tells his team to do the work. Sakurai is like “I want Chrom to be Roy’s Echo Fighter”, and then his team is like “Yes sir!”. In other words, adding the most popular characters such as Robin, Lucina, and Chrom was Sakurai’s idea, not his team. And this is as far as they go, 8 FE reps are too many, so your “Alm” request has been rejected by Sakurai. You lose, gay troll. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
You’re gonna puss out already? Ha ha ha ha ha ha, I always knew that I’m right and you would give up and cry, like a sissy little toddler you are, because I don’t see you making a better speech of your own, as you’re too scared to do so.
Buh-bye, butthurt troll. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, victory is mine.
They keep spamming Awakening even in non-FE games. Honestly, I’m more hyped about the killing edge: killer weapons were the thing that could make a random mook an actual threat.
As a dedicated RoyBoy, I’ve gotta point out that Roy’s Side Special isn’t actually the Dancing Blade, it’s the Double Edge Dance. Not trying to sound nitpicky, but…Roy.
I got two Leos. TWO LEOS. I could have been pitybroken by anyone else, but no: a -atk Leo and a -def Leo. I haven’t even played Fates and I already hate him. The little fucker.
I got Female Kana when I was trying to get on of the green units in the Nohrian Summer banner, and now I got Female Kana again in this banner. I HATE HER SO MUCH!
This paralogue was actually a treat. Nice comparisons between Fates and Radiant Dawn, I never saw some of it that way. I loved Micaiah and Xander’s convo as well, especially. Nice Part 4 gesture. And sounds like Loki is trying to serve up some Revelations stuff for us. Perhaps Omega Yato Corrin will be the next LH?
One thing did bug me though. This Elincia is from FE10, but she is still called “princess”. Is this a translation error, or what? She should be called Queen Elincia, no? That happened in FE9, even before 10.
You are right with this, she should be a queen but I think she is on the same level as a princess like Xander and Ryoma as Crown Prince and High Prince, so they don´t went extreme formal mode.
Another option for legendary Hero would be Whisper Sothe, as green Dagger unit and Baselard and he would be so green like Lyndis~ but maybe next year, because Wind element + speed boon has Lucina already.
So after 585 orbs I got Elincia and Xander the two I wanted most. I also got 6 5* I didn’t have and 3 4* I didn’t have and another normal Micaiah. I now have zero orbs and will save up for Micaiah and Ryoma.
My free summons for the daily banners:
Weapon Triangle: 3* Roy
Vantage: 3* Fir
Fury: 4* Sothe
Hone Atk: 5* Leo (+Res/-Def). I don’t know if I will use him or give QR to someone else.
Quick Riposte: 3* Hinata
Life and Death: 4* Saizo
Blade Skills: 4* Frederick
Threaten Def: 4* Oboro
Death Blow: 3* Olivia
Threaten Spd: 3* Clarisse
Flier Boost Skills:
Death Blow 2:
Powerful Specials:
Weapons to Refine:
Weapons to Refine 2:
It has been so long since my BK stepped into battlefield… Now, let’s get back to murder. Glad Tobin and Clive returned: when they came I could barely complete those final maps.
I free pulled a Hinoka today, that was a surprise! +Hp – Res. This was my second 5* free summon on these rotating banners, and my third Hinoka. Can’t complain!
The new arena can be stupidly broken if utilized to maximum
Between the new update and my first time with a 5* that is above +5, arena got a whole lot easier (currently tier 19 looking pretty solid to move into tier 20)
Think about it this way: If you count at least 20, then it has to be more than 17, yes? I counted I think 24 myself. But 27 is indeed the correct answer, and when I voted, it was currently sitting at ~80% of the responses.
Will the sequel and side story be released later on as well? How about the OST? Has Mr. Kaga displayed any interest in returning to the commercial scene (as opposed to just personal leisure projects) during being approached by Dangen? I know, it’s most definitely my own wishful thinking but still want to ask anyway:) Thanks.
Welp, they said that they’d release it this Summer so the demo kinda counts, I guess. I’m not at all angry or anything. It’s better if the they add polish than to release an unrefined translation
What made Dangen decide to translate Vestaria saga of all games? We’re they approached by Vestaria project or vice versa? And what was the conversation between them like? Also thank you very much for doing so!
While I too dislike Camilla, once she wins at least she can’t win again. It will happen someday, so let’s just get her alt out of the way. At least the Arena will be filled with her after CYL 3, so you can swat as many Camillas as you like then lol
Camilla only lost the CYL 2 to Veronica because IS decided to show us the current votes in the middle of the event. Once I saw Veronica was in the top 4, I started to vote for her and a lot of people did the same. Camilla lost because the players wanted Veronica as playable unit, different from Marth that lost because there were two versions of him in the event. If Marth had only one version to be chose, he would probably get 2nd place. If there is a character that shouldn’t be in the CYL, this character is Ephraim.
I understand your feelings, but for different reasons…
Last CYL special outfits where based on their fathers. Maybe this time on persons they deeply trust/love, but when I think about that, then everyone would be a Sword Unit Σ(¯皿¯
Going with your idea of “on persons they deeply trust/love”…
Hector could be based on his daughter, and be a armored mage.
Celica could be based on her mother, and be a staff user.
Veronica could be based on her brother and be a cavalry mage.
Ephraim could be based on his sister, and be a sword unit.
If we consider Hector as a green mage, and Veronica as a blue mage, we have all 4 colors.
Ephraim could also be based on his father, and be a axe unit.
The Ideas me and a friend have come up go
Celica being a Lance Cavalier based of Conrad, Blessed Lance weapon or maybe Mila’s Turnwheel as a skill/assist.
Veronica me and a friend are kinda set on been Xander related so Sword or Red tome.
Ephraim we want to be the axe unit and been based of Duessel using Garm, thus having his link to Grado and Lyon
And Hector…doing something Hecotr related….perhaps he’ll just steal a Lyn Alt and be a Armoured bow using Mulagir
I liked your idea for Celica, but I would chance the weapon (the name, not the type). I still believe Azura will receive a exclusive weapon someday and it will be the Blessed Lance.
Infernal on this one is pretty easy to beat because Micaiah practically commits suicide when you’ve got Fallen Takumi on the third starting position and everyone else was easy picking afterwards barring the possible exception of Sothe who should still be missing 10 HP since Micaiah attacks after healing the Blue Lance. It always feels refreshing to beat a GHB so quickly.
after the upset of lyn losing last second it brought the community together to stop the evil women (I am not a Camilla hater, I just was salty cause I voted lyn but it was such a good finale) and we cannot forget male grima winning his gauntlet 🙂
Veronica is going to be the best guaranteed cause she has loli power.
In all seriousness, Veronica looks like she might be a new F2P essential: she’s mounted like B!Lyn, she has both Wrathful and Dazzling, she’s has the dagger effect, and she’s a healer, that’s 3 roles combined into one unit. Hector is definitely going to be better for arena scoring though…being armored and all.
Sadly though, Ephraim is going to be the least good/useful one as he has way too much competition with other top tier axes like Amelia and 3 Hectors. Likewise Celica is going to have a lot of competition with Ayra and Karla….also, Celica’s DB4 is underwhelming for a 1st place exclusive skill (unless she has a yet unseen exclusive). It’s by no means bad, but definitely kind of lame compared to what Hector has. I might not really like Celica, but I feel they may have done her fans wrong.
Veronica is amazing, because she works pretty well in Horse Emblem Teams if you combo Windfire Balm+ with Fortify Cavalry, and she also works in mixed teams, if you combo Windfire Balm+ with Def Tactic C-skill and Res Tactic Seal (or vice-versa).
Yes, she´s so good already, but my Elise and Nanna (or more like NANI!) wouldn´t be happy about it.
But a Cavalry Healer Emblem Team sound cute and scary as well~
Seems like that’s her exclusive then, but odd they opted to instead show off DB4. Question now is, what does it exactly do? From the language of the text and combination with DB4, my guess is that it’s a brave effect. If that’s the case, damn, she might actually be nasty…plus, I’m scared to see all the Reinhardts with DB4 if it can be inherited.
Veronica ended up being my free summon after I had already picked her as my freebie, so it was a pleasant surprise to get two copies of her within the span of a minute. If it weren’t for the fact that I’m saving up in FGO, I’d buy some orbs to try for the other 3 as well.
Using her is a blast and I believe she’ll be well on her way to displacing Elise as my favourite mounted healer.
Ok I’m really bad with this stuff. I tried downloading Wine and Winebottler and tried opening Steam thru that. Eventually it worked but the store didn’t want to load. Unfortunately it’s only on Windows. Is there any way for me to play the demo on Mac? If not, is there any way to like contact those involved asking that they release a Mac platform compatible version when they release the full game?
I went with big man Hector, in all honesty I couldn’t at first choose who I wanted cause all of them have such good skills but favorite game won out and Hector was my choice. I do honestly hope to get the other three but knowing my luck thats not gonna happen.
I drew a +Spd -Atk Veronica. I’m trying to decide whether I want to claim a free Ephraim or Hector (I kind of hate Eirika & Ephraim as FE characters so will probably go Hector)
I guess all I really care about is the artwork, since I don’t get heavily invested in the gameplay. Celica, Ephraim and Hector are all some of my favorite Fire Emblem characters and, maybe because they have other alts already with good art, I’m not as excited about them.
I confess CYL 2 didn’t excited me at the same level CYL 1 did. We have 1 year of content between both banners, so there are a lot of good units that were released during this period… including the Legendary Heroes. Last year I didn’t have a lot of really good units, so all 4 brave heroes were well accepted in any of my teams. Lyn was the first bow knight and she still is a high tier unit, Ike was my first good axe unit, Lucina was a great lance unit in my team, and Roy was part of my cavalry team for months!
This year… the excitement is not happening… I am not saying CYL 2018’s units are bad, but I have others units to do their roles. I don’t plan to use Brave Ephraim in my teams, outside assault modes. I have others great armored axe units. I know he can double when has access to field buffs but I prefer to use my Legendary Hector, who can double during enemy phase, already has Distant Counter and can prevent foes to double thanks to his weapon. Brave Hector is great, but if I decide to use him, I will need to change my armored team to make Hector work with the others. Brave Celica is a great infantry sword unit, but being a infantry sword unit is her problem for me. Her “Double Lion” skill is great, but if Celica isn’t at full HP she basically don’t have a b-skill. She need to have a healer on her team or a healing special to have good use of this skill, different from Alm who can heal himself with the Falchion. Veronica is the only one I can see me using, and this is why she is my free unit.
Managed to get the new hector (+Atk/-HP) on only my second orb! A nice change of pace after how many orbs I’ve poured into the Festival banner (was trying for Xander, got to 4.25%, pity broken by Mist…got to 4.5% again, no colourless orbs in my circle–got the new Elincia, and have given up on that banner for now >_<). Have to build up a small stash and keep trying for the others. Haven't decided which to take for my freebie, but I'll wait to see how the rest of my pulls go before making that decision.
Sure I’ve been saying that since her debut either her or Veronica I can see if they really want to put a FE Heroes rep in bonus if Ganondorfs involved in a potential reveal trailer.
Thank you~ That sword that got replaced with Yato if I remember correctly. I only played Birthright and Conquest once time each, and even so, I only used Mozu & Midori and Elise with Ophelia so I was confused what that is~
I won’t post open spoilers, but yeah, it’s the sword that Corrin gets in the beginning of the game that is eventually replaced as their Prf weapon by the Yato.
I got a +Spd/-HP Karla from my free summon, considerably a better combo than my first one (+HP/-Atk). Might fodder the old one off for Wrath, as I’ve never pulled a single Neph, let alone two or more.
Don’t know how I feel about the Gardens though. Twice the work for the same reward? A bit underwhelming >_<
Uh oh, I’ve been trying for a new Legendary Robin for so long (trying to get a better Boon/Bane combo), but at the same time…
I. WANT. THAT. MARTH! Rip me…
This ain’t Lucina! They promised me another Lucina. Jokes aside, he looks broken and shares colour with the only units that interest me. But we still need a blue dragon counter.
I mean, on Player Phase Marth invalidates all dragons so there’s really no issue there. And if he is under Res tactics, that is +12 Res on Marth, so he can enemy phase them well too. As for blue dragons, Deirdre, Julia and somewhat FH!Elincia do the job well. Did you mean red dragons, who are only type countered by FH!Ryoma with Elincia’s dagger?
Late response, but I meant a counter to red dragons. There’s sometimes that Roy/Marth/Lucina can’t OHKO Tiki. And that Ryoma is a counter I didn’t think of. You’d need two limited units, though.
Unless his base stats are super low he is brooooooken. I guess IS has kind of painted themselves into a corner with so many strong sword units, each new one has to be clearly stronger than the rest.
Okay, Abyssal mode is definitely worse than Infernal mode! It’s easily destroying my pride! Isn’t there anyone brave enough to beat Abyssal mode without that God forsaken Skill Inheritance and Merges?!
A agree with you. I happy the reward is not orbs. It’s just a golden accessory that I would never use. I believe only team with all four units are +10 or teams with dancers and blade tome units are able to defeat Abyssal.
This is not fair! Abyssal was a mistake, they just made this mode to piss me off! I couldn’t care less about the golden accessories, all that matters to me is pride in accomplishment, but these people who did beat Abyssal with their teams of all four units with 10+ merge and Skill Inheritance are ALL mocking me with my failed attempts! If only there’s someone who can beat Abyssal fairly without a LOT of merges and without many Skill Inheritance, like Pheonixmaster1 and Orochi Keen Tactician from YouTube!
Just because you don’t enjoy Abyssal doesn’t mean nobody else does. This game is not catered entirely for you and being unable to stand up to a challenge is the fault of nobody else but yourself.
You do realize that I’m NOT the only one who despises Abyssal, or don’t you? Don’t tell me you beat Abyssal with your 10+ merged units with a lot of skill inheritances and many dancers and singers just to rub it in! I don’t need a pity from a selfish and immature glory hog troll such as you! Now screw off, troll!
Nice backpedaling, kiddo. You directly insinuated that IS “made this mode to piss me off!”, which is a hilariously immature way of coping with the fact that you just suck at the game. Unlike you, other people don’t throw temper tantrums about it publicly on the Internet.
You’ve been whining here nonstop for months on end now, so I’d suggest you either learn some maturity or leave because all you’re accomplishing is embarrassing yourself with these tantrums.
I’m not going anywhere, you’re not even the Mod for this website, so you don’t get to tell me to leave, you are completely powerless like a bratty glory hog troll you are.
Also, after so many trials and errors, I finally beat the Abyssal mode of BOTH Legendary Hero Battles, thanks to the guidance of the Japanese videos that says “No Skill Inheritance”, and now I got my pride back. How do you like them apples, you sourpuss gay troll? And btw, I’m not talking about real apples, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand. Victory is mine, suck on that.
Joke’s on you, bratty gay troll, you beating Abyssal mode with your 10+ merged characters with a lot of Skill Inheritance and many dancers and singers is a mere joke, it doesn’t count when you cheat your way to win. I, on the other hand, have found a way to beat Abyssal mode fairly without any Skill Inheritance at all, I did a better strategy than you can possibly come up with.
Just face it, bratty gay troll, I have already surpassed you the minute I beat Abyssal mode fairly, so much better than your ridiculous strategy just so you can cheat to win. Oh, and you’re talking about panties? Why? Are you wearing one yourself just to crap on it? Ha ha.
I literally just finished my current +10 unit and was going to make Odin my next project…for the memes…this is some perfect timing. I’m pretty sure his weapon is going to likely be a slayer tome like it is in Fates, then as a refinement I hope it has some effect that increases his damage proportionate to his opponent’s Atk…cause that 22 neutral Atk aint’ doin’ him any favors.
That Combat Manuals thing sounds pretty good, actually it can save some characters from the curse of the Tempest Trials, where the only reason to get some of those characters are for skill inheritance, yeah, there are some their skills suc*s, but i think it can save a few, i don’t wanna see another Canas situation anymore.
For Odin refine, i expect a sh*tty one.
Combat Manuals is a interesting concept, but it’s more useful for skill inheritance than merges. It will be useful for merges if we will be able to promote a 4* unit’s Combat Manual to a 5* unit’s Combat Manual. For skill inheritance it’s great. Now I can open more space in my barracks.
In the forums, the user “Ice Dragon” mentioned that Combat Manuals is a great solution for merges to the Askr’s Trio, Tempest Trial units and Grand Hero Battle’s units. I hope this is true.
Excuse me but did someone have information of that Leo and Takumi magazine?
I pre-ordered them in CD Japan, and yeah it market release day “late August” but yesterday I checked and it say “release date late September” . It was really delayed? I already send a question to cd japan but I wonder if someone else have information about that
If that’s what Leo looks like Post-Birthright…I’m a little scared of what a Post-Birthright Camilla card might be. Other than that, this all looks pretty epic, looking forward to this set!
Ugh – I know how that feels -I ended up with a spring Alphonse as my pitybreaker, September Orbs are but a memory and nothing on the Festival banner except pitybreaker Leif and *&#£#@ Shigure to replace the one I had foddered off! I am saving up for Halloween now – it’s been Feh’s summer festival of owl poo for me, except the great free CYL Oho!
The CYL2 Banner was amazing on my end(I pulled Brave Celica, double Veronica, Regular Ephraim, Innes, and Minerva), it’s just that I was an idiot to go for Legendary Marth’s Banner when the only Units I wanted on there were Marth and Brave Lucina, who I knew was going to be part of the Voting Gauntlet in a Banner with Brave Ike, who I want more of. Instead, I got a single Reinhardt on a full pull at 10.5%. Who’s definitely not replacing my Roy any time soon.
@disqus_bj44qPTg91:disqus That’s why they got the job. It’s in line with Kaga’s workflow. Can you imagine how he would be ruined if he was served by the Trump administration?
As to the soundtrack release, I don’t see why the need for a domestic release seeing as it is obtainable as is. There really is nothing to the soundtrack that can benefit from a American release. If it is too hard for any of you to obtain, ask me I can get loads of them here to the states. Truly good work from Hirotoh Saitoh. I can imagine the entire story just from the music. Unfortunately though, there are missing tracks from the game and a good portion of the tracks, such as the opening sequence were made in a previous game that Saitoh has scored. Not sure if he was scoring VS at the same time as the other game or that the music just fitted the overall theme of this game as well.
Pretty light interview btw. I can’t say that it was the right choice to ask confirmation about S_Kaga. However, Dangen still didn’t deny our suspicions.
I’m all for a physical copy of the game, they could go as far to make it a package with a little artbook, interviews, soundtrack, etc. Like how Soul Calibur does for most of its franchise run.
You’re right of course, I understand why Kaga would want to not be bothered, and these people seem up for the job. I hope they’ll get more work, like Playism.
It is very well deserved, but damn Lewyn is so powerful. He may be so meta oppressive that people must bring a check for him. Desperation at high HP is so good. Can’t wait to see what they do with Ced.
Cuan and Sylvia look great too. I wonder which will be the demote, they’ve never demoted a dancer before.
I believe the demoted unit will be Sylvia. She is the only unit with 4 skills. Barrier Blade is a great weapon, and being a Dancer is always good. Mirror Stance will probably be her 5* skill, because Deluge Dance 2 isn’t a great skill, different from Lene’s Firestorm Dance.
Quan is the second option. He has a legendary weapon, but this didn’t stop Ares from get demoted. However, Quan has 2 new skills in his hands: Rally Spd/Def+, which will probably be a 5* exclusive, and Steady Posture 2, which will probably be 5* exclusive to, leaving Drive Atk as his 4* skill (if he gets demoted).
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Well things certainly played out as expected story-wise. As far as summoning goes, not too excited for this banner so I’ll be saving orbs for now, but I did manage to pull a +Atk/-Def Katarina after 2 summons (finally someone who isn’t -atk, hurray!) so…me pleased with the turnout. Good luck to everyone else in their summonings.
Oh god. One single green orb per session or none at all. I’m not surviving this, must be my punishment for that free Myrrh yesterday.
At least my team defeated THE ENEMY.
Would there be a way to send a message to S_Kaga? I mean, right now, I have some ideas that I feel might help a lot in his game. No, there just not much, but anyways a potential one.
I might be lack of real experience, but I play much fire emblem for you to know. I’m no game developer, so I cannot really help him for that. But I got some ideas that he might use/modify. No need to credit me for it if Sir S_Kaga would use my ideas – I only want for his game to be great furthermore. Well, I doubt S_Kaga would appreciate me , so I guess you are right for that.
Wow, only an idiot would beileve he made any bad fire emblem games. You’re just fucking terrible at playing them. and you probably have shit taste in games and you want Fire Emblem to be filled with loli anime waifus.
Ah, Roy…shall victory always evade our blades? Nay, friend, one day our chance shall come, and when that day happens they shall know our names. For now, though, onwards, alongside thy father’s close companion, as we challenge her ladyship of Embla for the right – nay, the coveted honor – of bringing glory to the name of Elibe.
Relay Defense is terribly unbalanced with map 4 already being hard enough. The over powered enemies wouldn’t be an issue if the mode didn’t quickly devolve into a 5 vs 20million battle since the game constantly takes my units away and not the enemies while they continuously get reinforcements. Rewards aren’t even worth it as they are identical to Rival Domains.
Loki is likely to become the villain of Book III, and unlike how there was a bit of an awkward period between defeating Veronica in Book I and the actual end, they’ll probably go right into Book III.
Helbindi sacrifices himself to save Ylgr since he couldn’t protect his little sister? Heroic sacrifice, dramatic finale, and so on and so forth. Hrid lives and finally takes a bath to wash that soot off.
Maybe?
Considering they only just changed the tap battle to be switchable I somehow don’t think it’ll be the last one, but I may just as well be wrong. Generally though it would be odd for a feature in a software to disappear without prior announcement. They also haven’t retired any game mode before and this is a very low effort feature for them to keep running.
So the Tempest which spreads chaos around starts at 9/11… What were they thinking?
This must be the only time that I really want an Awakening/Fates banner, cause I don’t have any orbs. So many banners this month…
What I think about is that Update 3.0 could be possible big as Update 2.0 which was the start of Book II at the end of November because of the Book II Quest. Maybe they introduce Color/-less Beast/Laguz-Units or Colorless Mages after the Halloween-Banner. I´m always happy about Forging Bonds Event~
Aren’t colourless mages basically staff users with Wrathful Staff?
I do think beast units will happen with the next big update as a melee physical colourless, because if you check this table, we’re currently lacking that. It makes sense after adding coloured ranged physical attacks:
IS, I’m still waiting for my vantage seal
also my horse shield and armor shield (don’t feel like using technical names right now I know how they are said but I would have to look up spelling)
Glad to see Silas as the obvious demote, I’m sure I’ll get plenty of copies as I pull for Legendary Lucina in November. Reposition is finally being easily accessible in another pool!
And another main antagonist into the “No IVs, no merges” basket. Well, from what I know of Fates, there’s stil hope for a summonable alt. Same with Arvis, Lyon, Berkut (and Ashnard someday).
Ophelia~ Now Odin´s Weapon Evolution would be this tome what he gave her. I vote for Delthea getting Ragnarok as Evolution and my Pretty Blue Mages Girls Squad would be perfect with Micaiah~ (I still need Ophelia and Lute nevertheless)
What the actual heck, Ophelia can proc frickin’ Aether or Galeforce first turn every round for TT in an all-Tome team. She also sounds busted for Arena…er, as much as an Infantry Unit can be.
Alfonse owned this book so hard. I can’t complain. I want HIM to be summonable. And the other Askrans.
Aaand FE Direct to present more info about Three Houses and Book 3 🙂
Anyway, I really enjoyed Book 2. It had pace, twists, important deaths, sacrifices, action, epicness… it was a slap in the face to all those early release whiners who seriously thought that a long term phone game would come loaded with all content right away.
I already have Helbindi, and every time I summon he shows up and says: “NOTHING BUT FILTH”.
I hope they’re summonable, being a limited unit hurts a lot.
I freaking love the new arena skills that Laegjarn and Helbindi come with. It’s the exact antidote to armor meta that this game needed, even if it is locked behind SI.
I just hope it works on ranged and not just melee, like it seems to. Because that would allow for some awesome mage team comps, like using Ophelia, Merric and Linde together to one shot enemies!
If those three are summonable in the next summon I can see the upcoming voting gauntlet being askr vs muspel.
or perhaps it will be one for Legendary Heroes.
At long last, Surtr’s reign of terror is over! Gunnthrá can finally Rest In Peace. As for Laegjarn and Helbindi? Their deaths weren’t in vain, either. The war between Nifl and Múspell has came to an end, with Hrid as the new King of Nifl and Laevatein as the new Queen of Múspell. This is the end of Book 2, but the entire story overall is far from over, because Veronica went back to Embla and continues her evil plot to rule Askr. As for Loki? Yeah, this is definitely not the last we’ll hear from her, because she’s still plotting to destroy Askr, and serving her true master, no doubt about it. That’s what I’m looking forward to Book 3, if they make one.
Did anyone else notice that the three different armies seem to have a focus. One showed Mounted troops both Horse and Pegasi, that would be Fergus. One has the Infantry and Wyvern focus, Adrastea. And Leicaster seems to have an artillery focus…
Looks like they have not abandoned the “one side has Pegasi and the other has Wyverns” archetype. Wyvern’s probably breed slower than Pegasi but are stronger in practice. And with a faction focused on archery they are all in an effective stalemate. Interesting.
I really, REALLY hope they dont mangle the translation like they did because they think western audiences “wont get it” or the TL staff don’t like certain things like the whole drugging debacle.
Eh, potions are easy enough to come by in the game for most people. Usually, it’s only people on Youtube like PM1 who are always in danger of/already running out.
If you aim for top 1,000 every Tempest or two, it’s hard to get by with what they give you without being super conservative of them. It may sound like a lot of work, but the extra 10k feathers for simple autobattles is well worth the trouble to me. Good HM grinding, too.
Yes~ thats what I do too! Because my summons are sometimes not that good, so I started to invest in Reinhardt-sama, Abel, Nino and Caeda and so on. I made even Pity-Breaker Sheena to a 5*+10 Wall of Sheena~
I already figured as much when I first saw her skills and stats, but Flora really is a beast. I’ve been using her for both this event as well as the TT and she’s pretty much shredding through almost anything with relative ease.
Last time I summoned for this strange Lady, I got more Inigos that I wished for, because I have already Nino, so I use Dancer only in GHB´s and Trainingtower.
The same happened to me but since then Inigo has become one of my absolute MVPs so I regret nothing. I should probably try for more merges on him, his BST is so bad.
It’s her voice actress from the old anime, Sumi Shimamoto. She hasn’t been involved with the franchise since then, so I think it’s likely that she recently voiced some lines for Heroes.
Haven’t had anything to summon on this last month, so I went in for a merge for Eine. Got her, 2xSylvia, and Eldigan in around 90 orbs. Not bad at all.
Preordered one of those masking tape set and the tapestry.
I couldn’t get the Lyn cushion a while back and I still regret it to this day, so I’m not missing out on this!
Looks like I made the right call in deciding to save up my Orbs for this banner, because it’s really great with the sole exception of Jaffar since he has an unfortunate tendency to spook.
I’m definitely going to be gunning for at least one merge for Legendary Tiki, because Corrin and Ninian aren’t cutting it for me anymore and it’s tough having to rely on F!Robin against Falchions when I’m running my dragon team.
I knew I should have waited and not get baited by the Muspell Banner. Young broken with her 180 BST. I’m going to need Death Blow Dierdre as a staple on my arena teams.
Finally a somewhat very good summoning for me: 2 Jaffars in one summonround with only 60 Orbs, sadly I wont summon anymore after my first 5* from a banner because my Legendary banners are to expensive with always 11% -12% since the 3rd one and CYL2 with 440 Orbs full rounds and only 2 5* OG Hector & Brave Hector was not that much fun to summon even if they are good. I wish good RNG for other Summoners anyway~
Nice to see Hector back on a banner, DC is honestly pretty easy to pull for nowadays with how frequently it keeps appearing on banners.
If you really want DC now, the game won’t stop you. That’s pretty nice tbh, a far cry from launch days where having DC on anyone until HF1 meant you were either super lucky or a massive whale (remember that one guy that spent $1000+ bucks trying to get an off-focus Hector at launch? Ouch.)
They could’ve had those two slots be Male Corrin and Female Kana, or Bartre and Fir, but instead they go for the guy who got with his half-sister and had incest babies. There’s.. other perfectly reasonable alternatives, but, uh, okay I guess.
Yeah, that makes the most sense. Bartre and Fir are cool, but less people would want to pull for them since they’re available as 3 to 4 stars. Kana and Corrin could work, but I guess they just wanted to have Julia, haha.
I agree, though it’ll probably be the former rather than the latter cause his defense isn’t all that great and his average HP isn’t helping much. I mean its possible he’ll get Solo ATK/DEF but unlikely.
I believe Tana’s Vidofnir main effect will change from “+7 Def when a foe using sword, lance or axe initiates combat” to “+7 Def when foe initiates combat”. The refinement effect, however, I don’t have any idea to what can be… Tana is the first unit to have Guidance, so maybe she will have a movement skill, like Aerobatics, as her refinement.
If they don’t add reinforcements, those won’t be that bad (perhaps Robin will require a team of dancers as a must).
Valter and Takumi abyssal… now when those arrive, things will get ugly.
Okay, I don’t get it! One second, Female Morgan is slightly more popular than Hector, but now, Hector is more popular than Female Morgan! Now I have no idea who will I join!
I find it’s better to actually go with the less popular character since 1) being popular doesn’t guarantee victory and winning is still 50/50 due to the silly bonus multiplier and 2) being on the less popular side gives you more opportunities to abuse the multiplier to raise your rank in the round, which from my personal experience, yields you more feathers.
Two top tier characters known by ORKO anything that dares to be in their way and both with Vantage. This will be painful.
And “Ishtar’s harem banner” will pitybreak you with blue Reinhardt.
It’s honestly a piece of cake even without her. All that’s needed is basically a DC unit that can take out Ishtar and the archer in one turn and you’re good to go.
Fury is a fine skill. It works especially well with Desperation, helping units get to the <50% HP threshold quicker.
Also, in the event you are double attacked in one round, the 6HP damage is canceled out anyway, yet you still gain +3 Atk for your troubles, on top of bonus damage for specials that deal damage based on your own units' stats such as Ignis, Glacies, etc.
This Heroic Feats is good! The more units gets demotet, the less I can pull them. My Abel & Tharja are almost since a year +7 because I dont pull them anymore.
Last year they waited that one banner endet until we get the next new special heroes banner, which is why Helloween was so late. But this time we could get a spooky TT+ like the summer one!
Heroes Feats will be especially nice if they give us some nice fodder heroes, especially if one is a 5* exclusive (even if just at 4*); similar to the free Takumi we all got a while back with a fantasy fodder skill.
Really glad with the picks of Myrrh and Mia. Kagero with two seasonals is kinda questionable to me, and the fact that those three are armors is meh, but I can appreciate the good designs overall.
I’m not summoning, but this banner pleases me. Also can’t wait to see Dorcas with an alt.
I saw the Kagero alt and taken aback…is she really that popular? Nothing against her, but I would’ve thought some other Birthright waifu could get a season or better yet, a Felicia season to match Jakob’s from last year.
I’m also not summoning…I’m getting tired of the direction things are going for FEH and I hope IS doesn’t dig their own grave.
I find the fact that we at least are getting three fresh alts, two being non fateswakening, to be a step in the right direction. If only they could trust themselves to leave the category entirely and just stick with the older games. People would still gladly spend. I do appreciate skipable banners though, makes it easy to save orbs.
To be honest, my enjoyment from Heroes is hardly about summoning anymore, it’s about the gameplay. Which I do feel is going to receive a nice overhaul at 3.0. I’m holding out hope.
I hope it does, arena’s been a bore since the last changes where it’s now devolve into baby sitting one of the Askr trios to get kills unless you got lucky and pulled a unit from the recent banners who’s good enough to get those kills with little assistance. And if you’re not super merging armors then kiss the top tier good bye.
The existing modes feel like they’ve been on auto pilot as well…”tap battle ended, lets throw in a new 30 day round, TT+ is done, let’s start forging bond”…and so on.
I will actually denounce that armors are essential to obtaining at least 20.5 (so I switch back and forth between 20 and 21), but it does take a lot of merges (I use 1 +6 and 2 +10 Infantry + Flier, and only one is ranged) and at least 3/4 of the kills to your bonus unit. It’s not the worst thing, I do find Arena slightly more enjoyable since I can’t just have my SB Ike run over everything anymore, but I do understand it wasn’t the best fix.
And yeah, most content is too easily auto-able. Some Youtubers have mentioned a campaign mode, and imo that would be the best thing to add. We shall see.
Mia’s “WAH!” omg my sides, Lani Minella you’re killing me!
Also, we’re running out of fetishes to shove Kagero in. If they wanted a boob-tastic Fates girl, I’m surprised they don’t go with Charlotte, who is actually popular.
Wait, everyone else gets actual costumes and Kagero gets to be a barmaid? How does that fit the theme at all? Normally I’m down for Halloween stuff, but this looks meh, miss me with that powercreep armor crap and give me either FrankenJakob or a second NekoSakura on my free pull for the rerun Banner and we’ll call it good, ok IS? Don’t worry, I’ll still use Orbs and stuff, just on trying for Laevatainn instead.
Normally I’d look at Witchy Wand and go, that is kinda busted that you can inflict an anti-special charge status, this is totally gonna be meta defining…but then the not stupid side of me realizes that I’ve been saying that for months now and the current armor dominated meta doesn’t care.
OR…how about the daddy-daughter duo of Brom and Meg? Or my personal favorite and god of every one of my Conquest runs, Benny. There’s still a lot, yet we keep getting these fakers.
Clarine’s quests were a little boring to do, because I don’t have a 5* Clarine with Wrathful/Dazzling staff. I needed to abuse of Spur Atk, Drive Atk and Atk Tactic.
Contrary to some people im really excited for this banner. I’ve been hoping for a flying healer for some time and bam here it is. Also a red dragon armor is something I’ve wanted for a while and since I wasn’t able to get legendary Tiki, here’s a chance for my redemption
FEH Twitter posted the top 20 combat manuals, and Hinata is in first, Marth in 2nd, Roy in 3rd and Lon’qu in 4th. I believe Marth, Roy and Lon’qu are the others 4 units from the Heroic Feats.
A free Lon’qu makes sense, since he is getting a refine soon. It appears that people have pulled a lot of red lately (looks at Musspell banner and Flora).
I don’t actually understand why that many people are turning Marth into manuals, because Spur Speed and Pivot are pretty boring skills. The other three respectively have highly desirable skills like Fury, Triangle Adept, and Vantage. Ogma being #6 is even more bizarre.
Marth for a merge project maybe? I’ve also used Spur Spd 2 to inherit Moonbow and Goad Fliers from Palla in one go on a flier, but that doesn’t happen that often. Ogma definitely makes no sense.
These holiday breath girls have kinda been missed opportunities imo
Summer loli Tiki should’ve have had her dragon form decorated with at least a tropical flower wreath or had her replaced completely by a transforming Adult Tiki, Nowi, or even Nah (or give us a summer dragon Morgan?). The sea dragon version would have been much more fitting.
Halloween Myrhh’s dragon form should’ve been spray painted grey with heavy makeup to give her the appearance of a draco zombie.
Lute in a Ploy-Banner, Mia in Special Season Summon & Dorcas in TT+ at the same time. Last year in November there was the Less than Heroic SummonBanner with a TempestTrial with these Units, coincidence? I think not!
Time to trade my candy (Orbs) for Mia and Myrrh~
I’m not really looking forward to what Abyssal Robin’s map looks like, but otherwise I’m prepared to take them on. All I really want is that pimping Milter for my Wrys.
The nice thing about Abyssal maps are that the only things you get are an accessory and bragging rights, so people who don’t want accessories or don’t want to take on the challenge can skip them with lttle remorse. I’d imagine there would be a lot of frustration if they gave out Orbs instead.
When you put it like that, I suppose it’s not all too bad. But at the same time, it’s functionally useless and leaves me with less things to strive for in an already fairly weak game.
No game will ever be without its flaws and it’s hard to depend entirely on one game to satisfy your cravings, so the best thing to do if you find yourself wanting more is to find yourself an additional game to play that hopefully has what you want. FEH seems like it’ll be in the market for the long run, so just waiting for more fulfilling content to come by is alright too.
I’m happy with anything somewhat difficult, to be honest. The game is either quite easy in PVE or luck/money related/prohibitive in PVP (arena). The abyssal maps keep me busy for a while every time.
Aaaaaand sadly, the GHB abyssals are quite easy. Even Robin’s is rather easy if you have a strong red mage (i used H!Nowi +1).
As I mentioned before around here, any map without reinforcements ends up being rather easy. Let’s see what happens with Legion, Valter and Takumi…
I find it funny that Tana’s refine give infantry and armor synergy considering the current, armor dominate meta. Hopefully this is foreshadowing an update that makes a much needed change to the arena score that will actually encourage mixed teams and discourage pure teams.
The game is trying to tease me by giving me the regular Niles and Kagero in my first round of summons. Fortunately, I have plenty of Orbs to use that were leftover from Legendary Tiki.
I’m hoping 3.0 comes out soon and contains meaningful updates that freshens up and fixes modes since otherwise this calendar is just more of the same auto pilot bore. There’s only so much I can do to try and keep things interesting as things are now.
Interesting to see that we aren’t getting more seasonals. Two new hero banners are always a win!
For the smoke banner, there actually aren’t nearly as many candidates as one would think. Res and Def Smoke are locked behind seasonals/legendaries, so that just leaves Sigurd, Brave Lyn, Flying Nino and MAYBE Kaze. Pretty good banner!
For Drive Attack, we have Micaiah, Cuan, Delthea, and Leif. No matter who they don’t choose, Blue pool will be crowded.
Jesus christ, I hope those CDs will be available on CDJapan like the others. I know what I’ll get myself for Christmas this year!
(Wait, I already preordered some FE items on Amiami that are scheduled to release this December too, dang, this Christmas is going to be expensive.)
So we’ll be able to listen the soundtrack at good quality without it being added to FEH, at last. The music on Youtube is ripped directly from the game and there’s always a constant background sound.
Thanks man! She’s my second favourite after Marisa. I had 280 orbs saved up but decided to go for these extra merges instead of seeing what the new banner will introduce. The two I got here were +spd -res and +def -spd, and while the first one is fairly optimal, I like her tanky nature so I kept my +def -hp in the wait for something like +def -atk
We should start a cult around Marisa, haha.
Jokes aside, I haven’t used Sheena that much so far, but she’s one of my merge project for sure. I have like 7 Sheena waiting to be promoted already, I just need the feathers. :v
And I’d love to give Wrath to my Marisa but I only managed to get one Nephenee and one Karla so far and I don’t really want to use them as fodders…
Definitely, and what we’ll pray to is my $400 Marisa themed GBA xd
I for one was happy to sacrifice my Neph to give her wrath, as I did with Ishtar and her OAW. I’ve given her a lot of things, like steady blow/breath. But regarding Sheema, she can be an absolute monster. I was so happy at release when I noticed that she would be in the base selection, since she is a mildly obscure character after all. Along with Marisa and Kleine, she is one of my favourites and was actually my second 5*, and is now one of my two 5*+10 units. I’d definitely recommend that you build her if given the chance, since she’s extremely versatile. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6b914bb1869c6dcad132ec5bed20e4339353be042f41cf16cd7dfd95fa02fe0.jpg
I’ve never been a fan of her, since I usually prefer Joshua and Gerik as sword units, but I find her in Heroes actually pretty good? I don’t know, every time I’ve used her for Arena bonus she has perfomed very well both as an attacker and as support.
Yeah, I usually use all three of them. :v
She can be pretty good in Heroes, she has a lot of HP so she can give the Infantry Pulse boost to almost any infantry unit. With Fjorm on her team during water season my Marisa can reach 60 HP and 47 SPD for example. :v
I’m liking the GHB and TT units being rewards, Hinata was a very underwhelming reward. If these Hero Fest become more common, I’d like for more of these kinds of units. Many GHB and TT units have the potential to be very good, but are held back merge potentials. Though, that isn’t to say I’m against a 5* exclusive unit as a reward…here’s hoping unit 4 is something super special awesome.
So much from Sacred Stones~
But what I find strange is in my notifications about Grand Conquest, they write this event is on the continent Jugdral from Fire Emblem Echoes: Thracia 776 (I play on an German account). Well, thats more Reinhardt for me~
Only Loki particularly interests me, but I’ve got my hands full with the two Halloween banners so I’ll probably try to pull her on a later banner. Kliff and Owain don’t interest me too much since I’ve already got enough blue mages and red swords.
Totally agree – The Halloween units are more fun, and there are only so many orbs! I was hoping either she or standard Veronica might be a freebie unit with the launch of book 3. I hope there will still be one, hopefully as useful as Fjorm. Still, Aversa is going to be a fun unit to play with.
I’m really happy that they did Kliff and Owain justice here. Kliff’s weapon animation looks spot on from Echoes, and Owain looks to be pretty good but not terribly broken. Let’s just see what his stats are first. 25 special damage isn’t too crazy when a 40 Def unit with Ignis deals 32 special damage.
Especially since other 3 cooldown skills like Luna can easily net you almost that much against the top tier armors without having to worry about ally positioning. It’s not gonna be a particularly good skill for Owain but I appreciate IS thinking of new special ideas.
Kliff might be our first good tanky mage (discounting armored ones of course). He also might be the first unit ever that being a -Atk is a good thing with how his base kit seems to be setup…pending how his stats are of course. Loki carries on the trend of IS being transparent over their money gluttony with even more 5* exclusive duel skills. Owain looking to be a tanky sword, which is a nice change of pace from the abundance of speedy swords we’ve gotten lately.
By default, Kliff has +9 Def and +6 Res (from his tome and A-skill), which is great! Not only this, but +5 from his tome’s effect makes him reach +14 Def and +11 Res, and if Kliff doesn’t have a Atk super bane, +5 Atk will nullify the -3 Atk bane and -2 from Fortress Def/Res.
Kliff is my favorite character from Valentia games. Loki is simply a story character. Owain is finally here… but I still want mia and henry… I don’t know what to do!
Owain was overhyped. Especially since Blue Flame is inheritable, but even then it’s rather bad for player phase. His stats are rather okay for a sword unit in this day and age. I’d say he’s around Leif’s level
Aversa’s Night is a continuation in the pattern of cool ideas that could be good, but won’t be good because it’s ineffective against the armor dominated arena meta.
Also, not surprised that IS decided to keep the Duel skills 5* exclusive…not surprised, just expectedly disappointed.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m excited for her as well. It just disappoints me to see all the effort IS puts into there new abilities go to waste because they created a monster of a problem. In the end, you’re going to likely see all the optimal Aversa builds say to go with Blade Tome because her prf tome is going to be far too niche to deal with armored enemies.
I wonder if IS is planning to give Veronica out eventually through story mode. They don’t seem to have problems anymore with the original Heroes units being added to banners, and though she did get Brave version, she’s technically still the highest voted NPC in the game.
Enemies charge turn 1? Check.
Hordes of reinforcements turn 1? Check.
Crippling tome on a ***71*** HP unit? Check.
Extremely limited space for manouevre unless flying, connecting with the previous point? Big fat check.
Well this banner is really good imo,. Gonna be gunning for all but Sumia as I don’t really care for her. Ephraim to hopefully +10, Innes cause I don’t have him, Genny for the same reason, same with B!Sanaki, L!Lyn, F!Grima, S!Tana and Fly!Olivia, M!Grima for not only +10ing but also to get better ivs cause the one I have right now is -ATK.
I for one am glad they finally acknowledged the requests everyone’s been making for more RD and Binding Blade characters and can think of at least three that should be in already, Edward and Nolan from RD cause they’re pretty popular to use (even though Mia quite honestly blows Ed out of the water and I myself prefer Boyd over Nolan) and Lugh from Binding Blade since both his mother and brother are already in (as well as one of his potential fathers) though I can’t really think of anyone else for Binding Blade except maybe its “Christmas Cavaliers” Lance and Allen.
Yeah those four can work too, may as well stick Hugh in there to complete Canas’s family (since he’s already in the game may as well add his mother and son).
I mean in a way when you think about it, a lot of characters that get married and have kids are already in the game, Nino with one of her two potential husbands as well as one of her twin sons, Bartre, Karel, Karla and Fir, Eliwood with two of his potential wives in Ninian and Lyn and Roy, Hector with two of his potential wives in again Lyn and Florina and Lillina. And the list could go on
We also have any of the 3 thieves, 3 nomads, 2 wyverns, the other 2 pegs, 3 mercs/heroes, any of the millions of cavaliers. FE6 also has some good Camus-archetypes like Murdock, Brunya, or Gale. FE6 still doesn’t have half of their characters yet…there’s plenty to anticipate.
Hmm, yeah thats true. Guess we won’t know till March of next year. Same with RD in January, I’m honestly 50% certain at least Edward and Nolan will be in and I know lots of people want Jill and Haar in so thats two more potentials to rep the new RD banner. Who knows, maybe we’ll finally get some Laguz characters from the beast tribe and bird tribes (we technically have Laguz type characters for dragons and honestly we don’t need anymore dragons). Personally I’m hoping for Ranulf cause I like him, especially in PoR since he was teasing Ike and Elincia on the chapter he joins.
Well, at least I know when to spend my orbs, but it’s ridiculous the amount of characters from some games. And I thought they were planning a Binding Blade remake, so they should start promoting it.
We still have Three Houses to come out in spring so it’ll be a good while until we actually get a Binding Blade remake; most likely 2020…so they don’t need to worry about promoting it anytime soon. As far as reps go, I personally want Lugh added so I can have the whole family together.
Would be fun if instead of M!Grima Amelia took his place for more Sacred Stones summons~
Radiant Dawn banner appears like this years one with Micaiah in January, does this safe say I have at least every year a Tellius banner?! Nice~
So they acknowledged people’s feedback about heroes from the two games missing and banners are coming. That still means they weren’t planing them by themselves for sooner. Which is kind of sad. And II haven’t played neither of them yet, I just appreciate diversity in FEH.
Which brings me to the point that second red Eirika in one year when the red pool is so stuffed with important characters that have to yet get their first alt… waste of red legendary spot imo.
While your points certainly have merit, I would still like to offer the glass half-full perspective. IS is listening to the fans. For a few months it seemed like they only listening to QoL matters, but they are expanding their range to account for more criticism. I am sure that 3.0 will likely fix many problems that people have.
Banners take a good 6 months get ready, or so we can project that at least RD was already in production. I do agree on Binding Blade, though.
Yeah, it takes how long to produce banners? Four to six months or like that? They only remembered that FE6 and Tellius were missing like a couple of months ago. Awesome.
Spent 9 orbs and got a Summer Tana. Her IVs are terrible, but I can at least give her “Atk/Spd Push” to my Veronica now. I think I’m done with this banner. I’ll just save my orbs for Christmas.
It’s a crime that Ilyana isn’t in this game yet and that they dared make a thunder magic themed voting gauntlet without her. Putting Delthea and Linde in just because they start with the magic or are able to use the magic is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I need to say… the “Spirits” is a lazy concept… Now I understand why we are getting Smash this year… it’s because Nintendo didn’t have the work of doing new 3D models for new trophies.
It’s lazier but it allows for many more characters to appear. It also gives them a purpose, since before I would basically never look at my trophies and just move on, maybe grab a picture of all of them to brag to my friends about how much time I’d spent. Spirits at least allow for use in battle, and I’ll consider a variety of them so I’ll get a decent look at most of them.
Nintendo could use Trophies instead. Allow trophies for use in battle.
They used the existed artwork so they don’t have the work to create 3D models. I will be ok if at least the spirits have similat desctriptions to the trophies.
Lazy though it may be, if you think about it the Spirits are similar to the stickers in Brawl and equips in Wii U/3DS with the usual buff to one stat but debuff to its opposite to balance it out (though that only really applies to the equips from Wii U/3DS). Personally from all that they’ve revealed I’m definitely looking forward to it now, wasn’t interested at first cause I didn’t think it would be this ambitious with ALL of the returning fighters and some new ones along with the eventual DLC (I mean come on who didn’t see that coming?) which I’m pretty sure one of them is gonna have one of the Three Houses characters, a stage from the game as well as the music for promotion of Three Houses like they did with Corrin for Fates.
And that Story/Adventure mode looks like its gonna be fun if not frustrating for some of the later fights.
Well… not get me wrong, I am looking forward for World of Light too, and the spirit battles look fun. It’s just the reuse old artwork that bothered me.
Also, what is the reward for completing Classic Mode? A spirit of the fighter?
Understandable. Newer artwork is better but I guess some would appreciate the original artworks.
I imagine getting challenged by some of the characters would be at least one of the rewards since its been like that since the N64 days, not really sure outside that. Probably some new music for the various stages and maybe some of the stages themselves if you use certain characters. Won’t really know for sure till the game comes out next month.
Welp good thing I upped Florina to 5* since she’s part of my main flyer team as a pseudo healer of sorts, her new lance will definitely help her out. Hopefully it’ll have at least the killer effect so Iceberg/Glacies or whatevers on her can activate quicker. And maybe something to bump her res up even more cause she is quite tanky in terms of taking on mages that aren’t green.
Delthea, Reinhardt & Micaiah are my strongest and favorite Blue mages in FEH!
Micaiah also being my first lord ever~ (yes, I played FE from 10 to 7 in this order)
His easy accessibility is probably the biggest reason why he’s still prevalent as a meme. It’s really easy to merge him since he’s available even at three stars, whereas most of the units that counter Reinhardt like Sigurd aren’t as easily accessible for most people. I still see a ton of Reinhardts in Tier 20, and my own Reinhardt is used so often that he’d have tens of thousands of accumulated merit points if the counter went up that high. Unlike certain other units like Takumi who were also immensely popular when the game was in its infancy, Reinhardt has never gotten any worse at what he does and so far no units have come along that either eclipse him or outright renders him totally moot.
He’s pretty much become Chad Thundercock for the FE fanbase now, and even today there’s still plenty of Reinhardt memes circulating around.
Remember that last’s years was 18mins long and was packed full of updates and details so they could do the same in 13. But regardless, keep your expectations tempered. This is a vital FEH Channel for IS to nail the landing for, I hope they succeed in revitalizing player interest cause otherwise I’m worried it will result in the death of FEH…it’s sink or swim.
Still better than a lot of the rest, Star Ocean, Knights Chronicle… I do keep coming back to Heroes but the map reuse on Blessed Gardens etc is tedious… I still do them for the rewards though
Some kind of player interaction is needed to revitalize the game- other than that, any content will just keep the veterans busy for an hour at most and the newbies will save it for later, when they get better units. It seems that there’s no in-between now..
I’m all for more Fates units, but did it have to be 3 alts to 1 new? Camilla’s my favorite FE waifu, but now she has the same number of alts as Lyn, and it saddens me to see all the hate.
I don’t hate Camilla, but I just wish they would stop forcing her into themes she doesn’t fit in.
First there was the Hoshidan-themed New Years banner, and now there’s this Valla-themed banner. Perfect time for a more fitting unit, yet they squeeze in Camilla anyway.
Every signal that comes from people (are they positiv or negativ) and they talk about and it spreads further, the more attention it gets, which is why there are so many alts I think. It´s a sign that people care and the other side will respond accordingly. One way to keep it down is just not give attention to it. But people will find this out themself~
I’m having a hard time understanding what you’re saying, especially the first sentence but anyways; Cynically speaking, of course showing hype incentives them to make more alts of popular or “attractive” characters. Also, you’d think because of the back lash they’d also consider not doing it. That last sentence is also kinda pretentious and somewhat hypocritical since you’re feeding into said “hate and hype” train.
I like how they look similar as Azura~ This is truly the year for Flying heroes, because they appear always as last in banner introduction like a cherry topping!
Examples like Laegjarn, YT!Olivia, Summer Camilla & Tana, SF!Nino, WF!Hinoka, Spring Kagero, (NY!Camilla because New Year).
They easily could have replaced Camilla with even the likes of Elise since she has supports with Azura and has access to the Malig Knight class. My hopes of Mikoto with a dragon slaying bow are even more distant now, unfortunate.
I can finally +10 my GHB/TT units FINALLY! the pseudo My Castle is alright but its pretty restrictive for now hopefully that’ll change as for the Book 3 teaser I’ll be honest I’m not expecting anything big out of it again since Book 2 let me down very much.
This is just a guess but considering that the teaser shows Sharena crying and reaching out to someone, that means either something happens to Alfonse or the Summoner or Sharena herself is being taken away by some unknown enemy and she’s crying for help. Of course it could be just about anyone’s guess at this point.
Actually the king was killed in book two, its already mentioned in one of the chapters but I forgot which one though its pretty early on. Its actually a similar scenario to FE 1/3 (book 1)/11 except no backstabbing traitorous allies in the mix, invading nation well invades, king deploys army leading it himself, army meets enemy’s army, gets defeated and king killed by enemy leader leaving his child(ren) and queen behind and if Surtur managed to actually invade Askr up to the castle itself it’d be a almost 100% copy of the first game’s story except he’d kill EVERYONE cause he’s just that much of a sadistic wretch, so no Sharena/Alfonse (and their mother) staying behind, getting captured in the process, while everyone else flees to a nearby island nation.
Again I wasn’t expecting much from a mobile game story (although other mobile games does is WAY better than feh) so I’m not really surprise by the end results.
Can I just say, watching Feh lose and hearing her cry somehow made my day? The sadistic part of me was like ‘heck yes, see how it feels!’ which was very strange as I normally only feel sadistic thoughts about Severa.
Also, did anyone else look at Aether Raids and immediately see in their mind’s eye a team of apparently up to six Fallen Takumi barricaded behind a wall of buildings to ensure they could all be alive to trigger Skadi? Because that’s what I saw.
There’s going to be obvious abuses in in the system that IS will probably need to address in the future. In the end though, it’s probably going to just be more of the same arena meta we all know and love.
Another thing that would have made Aether Keeps interesting Is the ability to defend them yourself form AI attackers.
As is, it’s Arena 1.5 with most of the problems remaining the same…
One of my friends pointed out that Kris’ R card doesn’t overlap into Marths’ at all, and speculated that we may also get Female Kris R with the exact same art, so you could swap either Kris out and still have the joined art.
This makes me remember that Kris still isn’t in Heroes, which is a shame. I know Kris is fairly divisive for some fans but having the original Avatar missing is weird.
I love how they keep throwing new Green Units at me to try and get me to use them, and they all end up getting switched back out by the end of the week. Nothing quite matches Brave Ike.
Seeing as the next banner ends on December 10th, I’m guessing that means we’re getting Book III the following day. The seasonal banner and re-run will either be mid-end of November or closer to Christmas, probably a week after Book III’s release.
I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for Intsys to start taking their merchandising seriously. They are losing so much money on not being able to even remotely keep pace with the demand. And when they release something, they usually use official artwork/feh cheebs we’ve all known for ages – that holds little value as a collectible. As for the chibi buttons, those are original at least, but every second vendor selling their fanmerch can do something visually more intriguing and creative.
Those pouches are the first really neat thing I’ve seen from them in a long time. Tape is nice too but then again, I’ve seen many fan-made that were much better.
Come one. Where are more figurines? Manakete, Grima, Laguz, Taguel plushies? The fans even create custom character plushies that look great! Metal keyrings with various motives such as Hoshido, Nohr, Askr, Embla, Nífl, Múspel emblems etc? Stickers, notebooks, folder files with NEW art? Come on, INTSYS, you don’t have to look further than Pokemon Company to get inspiration. Or your own fans… 🙁
I know what you mean, but I think IS are just testing the waters. FE has only gotten popular in recent years and it’s not as big as the likes of Pokemon, Mario, etc. Or even Animal Crossing and Splatoon. Plus the merchandise here are directly published by IS and they are a gaming and development company foremost. For figures and plush, we have to hope another company is interested in selling them and for IS to give em the license. That said, my memory is kinda bad and they may have self- published a figure before. Was it Camilla?
True, the problem I have with it is the precedent it might set – what if we get a Banner featuring only two Grey Units? I’m certainly not going to go digging through colorless hell to MAYBE get the wrong Featured Unit, especially not when there’s no Featured option for another color. The only upside I’m seeing to this Banner is that if I snipe Red I don’t have to worry about a Featured Unit getting in my way…if you can call that an upside.
Well, what did you expect? These New Heroes from the Adrift Banner are Special Heroes, and Special Heroes are never demoted, unless that Special Hero is a Tempest Trial reward, a 4-Star Special Hero from the Tempest Trial like Young Azura.
Plot twist, it’s actually Alphonse going evil, the clip from the FEH Channel was Sharena trying to stop him but not being in time to prevent the still above.
Odin and Niles are both Leo’s retainers, which is why they’re paired together in this card. The theme of the art is along the same lines of the Hinata and Oboro joined-art from last set.
Oh, I know, but that doesn’t make it any less annoying that I have to see his stupid smug face again as opposed to getting the Awakening Trio with a Joined Art, which they should have got back in Set 2 if you ask me. I’m also still waiting for Odin/Lazlow/Selena cards that can be Class-Changed from Owain/Inigo/Severa.
There are many reasons that could be the case, but most likely it’s a combination of Japanese businesses being notoriously conservative, Japan being much bigger into TCG than the west, and and FE being a rather niche audience.
I’ve been saving for months for Lucina, 500 orbs stocked and ready to go. And dang, that Blue pool is good! Glad to see the new Brave Heroes are making an entrance after all!
HOW UNEXPECTED.
Please, stop spaming Grima in every banner. I know she’s the only colorless legendary, but I need some variety (and wrathful/dazzling staff). I have a +2 merged and I don’t even like her.
Since I’m obviously positive Three Houses will get more info and be release WAY before then I’m guessing what could show up noteworthy is Three Houses DLC at least either 1st or 2nd pack, possible Smash reveal for a Three Houses rep and/or Three Houses cipher card unveiling(which I find more likely). Either way something good will come!
We got all Book II characters, and still no Veronica or Bruno. They should have put them before, now there’s too much powercreep and Surtr is the ultimate game breaker.
Do people even care about these OCs? I don’t see the point in trying for them since there’s no sense of attachment to any of them. The only good use I can see is that of passing on their skills.
I mean, the small child’s ok, and I’m leaning towards liking Laevatainn and have Laegjarn so…differs from player to player I guess. At least we have free Feathers upcoming, right?
It’s a real pity to lose the Fire Emblem Museum. Showed detailed information and artwork about every character in every game. I used to browse it when I was a kid. You call that “fluff”, but to lose it in favor of this modernized rendition that definitely won’t preserve any of it because casual audiences don’t care of it, just burns me.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I followed FEW since it was created and I used a lot of the original site for reference purposes. Maybe I’m optimistic but hopefully they’ll replace the lost content with something better. It is supposed to be a fresh start, but I know it sucks to lose the history they built up over the years.
I’m guessing that they’re all gonna be simple Prf versions of their base weapon with the Robins perhaps being a unique tome instead since they might end up with the same ability. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing so long as they actually get good refines…unlike Titania’s.
The only problem with Titania’s Draconic Poleax is that Titania needs to be in a mixed team. For a Tactic Team, she is great and very useful! But if the player doesn’t use her in a Tactic Team, she is not that good. She works pretty well with units like Legendary Marth, Laevatein or Blade Tome users. I use a Refined Titania on my Tactic Team, and she does the job.
Hmm, a TA effect… will that mean you need to field them together then? I wonder.
It would be the first time Heroes ever required a unit to work specifically with another. But all 3 are F2P from the Echoes quest so it shouldn’t matter really.
I don’t know how it will works, but I am sure it will not be like the main games. Also, I can see that all three Whitewings will need to have the refined weapon to trigger it’s effect.
Ah, yes, Three Heroes continues to give me nothing but 450 Feathers, as always. Wish they’d do Units I actually use, though I suppose Olivia at least probably sees a fair amount of play.
Given that seasonals are usually tied to Paralogues and such, I think it’ll be a new hero banner with Christmas coming maybe a week and a half later or something like that. I think there will probably be some overlap.
“Because you can’t not have a Fire Emblem event without them” is a double-negative, Vince – it’s saying I can’t choose to not have a Fire Emblem event without merch, meaning I can’t have a FE event with merch.
Not sure I understand cause my english not that great
«new artwork for Brom and Kurthnaga. Neither of them have appeared in Cipher before either!»
I’m pretty sure Kurthnaga has appear in B05 as a R card
Oh look, even more OCs. What a surprise. スラシル is the only one who looks mildly interesting to me, but even that’s a stretch.
To be frank, this was extremely underwhelming. Seems like these mythical’s gonna powercreep the legendaries as well. Doesn’t bode well. Inclusion of Laguz is kinda cool, but that three range on a flier of Tibarn’s strength is disgusting.
Compared to the 2.0 update, 3.0 is very underwhelming. Yeah, the new beast units are going to be cool and were much anticipated, but 2.0 felt like a new era for FEH with its rebalancing of staves, daggers, and weapon refinery. What has 3.0 done to distinguish it from 2.0, I don’t see anything changing between pre and post 3.0. This should be very concerning since the month of Nov, FEH only made 66% of their monthly average.
But who knows, maybe there’s gonna be some undiscussed changes along side 3.0 that’ll change my opinion of things, but as things are now…I don’t see myself making it past the the 2nd anniversary unless some severe fixes are implemented by then.
Well, the one other way they could make up for this situation is if they made the next Tap Battle nothing but that death metal music from the Book III OP. That would make my day.
With Aether Raids bouncing in just one month ago, I’d practically consider November’s AE release to be a sort of ‘first round/beta’ release of it, with 3.0 being the “Full” Aether Raid version
I deleted the game months ago. There really isn’t much substance to it and I don’t find myself wanting to play it (would rather play a series game). The only reason I know about these updates is because serenes is my news site
HOLY COW THAT ROY IS BEAUTIFUL
…Also Kurth already had a card, Kirie. First Volke and now him, you just not pay that much attention to Green or what?
Does anyone have any idea who that sketch card from S17 is? I wanna say Celica, but…that doesn’t seem quite right. I’m a touch worried about S17, yet hopeful. Could we finally be getting the set that appears Internationally, and it’s a reprint set so we get the important cards in today’s meta?
I’m pretty excited that Laguz are finally making it into the game, and it’s nice that Tibarn and Nailah will be the first to be introduced. Here’s hoping Ranulf and Lethe aren’t that far behind now.
The only complaint I have with this announcement is that Kozaki is drawing Book III: I don’t dislike Kozaki, but I was pretty excited back when it was revealed Book II’s characters would be drawn by Maeshima since I was under the impression each new Book would have a different artist in charge.
Yeah, I was expecting Ranulf, Lethe and Mordecai to be the firsts too. I mean, we’re starting with the most broken ones!
The artist should’ve been either Senri Kita or Sachiko Wada. You can never go wrong with those two, and they haven’t design any OC yet.
One question: doesn’t Hel appear in Thracia, in the Hell spell animation? I thought she would be part of the canon as a being you can make a contract with, like Medusa. But we’re going to beat her butt…
Well, unless there is a Marisa alt in there somewhere I can safely skip all these banners. It has been a bit slow lately with actual new heroes, quite disappointing.
I’ve always been a fan of her art in Thracia, but I haven’t actually seen those recent TearRing illustrations up until now. Her art was always good, but it somehow got even better in the years after Thracia and those illustrations of Mahter and Kate look like they could’ve came from Senri Kita. What a shame that she died.
Ephraim and Eirika are dangerously approaching the Camilla/Lucina line. And that Cecilia is my saviour, since I don’t have nor I want any of the bonus units.
Eh, while that may be true I’d take the Renais twins over Camilla and Lucina any day. I for one am happy that IS is finally using different characters rather than constantly reusing Awakening and Fates characters cause I’m quite honestly tired of seeing characters from those games, especially Camilla.
Well the feelings mutual for me towards Camilla, minus the “good art”. I’d rather cute face Erika over “Lol boobs” Camilla any day. And I can bet you anything that if Camilla were in place of Erika, NO ONE would be whining near as much about her as they are with Erika, cause Camilla just had ANOTHER alt about the same time as Erika.
Camilla came a bit later but I was just as salty about her third 2018 appearance as I am about Eirika’s. I really believed Ike and Soren would make it this time… As a parallel to Chrom and Robin. I don’t need neither more Camilla, neither alter Camilla (read: Kagero), Lyn, Lucina or Eirika… I’m tired of them.
Well while I don’t mind another Ike alt, he’s already got three alts as is and no doubt some will be bitching about him getting another alt, and though I don’t care for him cause of his personality and attitude towards everyone not named Ike or Greil, I wouldn’t mind Soren getting his first alt. Lyn I can understand no one wants more alts for her, and though I’m a fan of her and her game as well as Hector, those two can take a backseat for a little while and let poor Eliwood take the spotlight for once (yes I’m aware he already has an alt in the Valentines version but even his son has more alts than him and thats just sad).
Ike has only two alts but yeah. I just thought a Tellius Santa banner seemed very plausible and he would be getting only second alt this year which is still one less than Ephraim this year :/ I’d love more Eliwood but Seliph or Sigurd or Alm should get priority 🙂
Well the reason I say Ike has three alts is cause I’m counting his regular self as well as his Legendary and Brave selves, so while yes he technically has two alts his normal version is imo an alt too. I mean look at Lyn, she has her regular self, Bridal, Brave, Legendary and Valentines so she technically has 5 alts. See where I’m going with this? Cause the originals are in the game as well as the other alts but everyone seems to forget about the originals and don’t bother to count them amongst the alts for a certain character.
Eh, whatever floats your boat I suppose. Also I apologize if I came off as rude as that honestly wasn’t my intention. But then again this is the internet and its rather hard NOT to possibly sound rude and whatnot.
I am also happy to see a special banner without Fates/Awakening units, but Ephraim and Eirika again? Ephraim is just like Hector: both have a normal version, a legendary version with a different form of their main weapons, a seasonal version with, again, a different form of their main weapon, and a Brave form but with their weapon types swapped. And Eirika just got her Legendary Version. This is like Lyn and Robin again, which we got LA!Lyn and Male Grima in february, and then 1-2 months later we got Legendary Lyn and Female Grima.
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I am still shocked we got the results of CYL 2 in february, telling we would get Alts for Ephraim, Hector and Celica, and in the same month we got Alts for Ephraim (legendary), Hector (love abounds) and Celica (fallen).
Well I’m not gonna complain. Yes Erika just had an alt not too long ago but so did Camilla. And let me ask you this: who would you rather have more of? Camilla for like the billionth time (I’m exaggerating yes I know) or Erika who has less alts and none that are seasonals?
I for one would rather a seasonal Erika over like the fourth or fifth seasonal Camilla.
You’re right, while not an actual fan of the twins, I still prefer them over Awakening-Fates. That’s why I don’t desire their overusing, though. Every character deserves their chance to shine, and since main characters are Legendary/Mythical material, these alts should focus on more secondary characters.
True. Hopefully IS will realize that and not constantly overuse Awakening and Fates characters. Honestly I hope for some Tellius characters for New Years in preparation for the RD banner coming out next month.
If only the games where she worked in received more love in the west… I got the feels whith those images in Thracia’s credits. Rest in peace, you did a very good job.
Perhaps, but it is a shame since it would be nice to see heroes riding into battle on a reindeer. But then again, as the meta stands, horse units are pretty much worthless in the arena and fliers have very niche utility.
A real shame indeed and all too sudden. A pinnacle in the industry. I’ve always been searching for more direct or in depth information about her, as much as on Kaga as well. This article has been the most details I have found on her, aka nothing new.
Her decade old tenure as in-between animator or Key Animation is highly overlooked. As all those years animating gave her the ability to give Kaga and the Fire Emblem series a jump start to their lacking illustrations.
Based on what is in the Anime News Network database, Hirota started in the 80s in the Crusher Joe movie, then jumped onto a Tezuka production with the movie Baggy. From there she went to more high profile names with Mobile Suit Gundam, Urusei Yatsura, Dirty Pair, and a series I’m not familiar with but seems popular called Mashin Eiyuden Wataru. In the 90’s, she animated a few unusual yet interesting titles with Here is Greenwood, Ocean Waves, and Licca-chan. These 3 anime were directed and/or written by Tomomi Mochizuki, whom probably crossed paths with or learned of Mayumi while he directed Dirty Pair and Urusei. Oddly, Licca-chan was 3 years after being produced. Mayumi still lent her talent to big name productions of Yu Yu Hakusho and Fushigi Yugi.
Mayumi Hirota’s final animation before retiring is most significant to me, Shinesman. As the armor and character design is similar to her original work in FE. Also, she seems to have drawn much influence from Here is Greenwood. Both were small productions so she probably had more leisure with animating the characters. Of all the FE illustrators, her designs were fairly simple, but the eyes and facial expressions were alive and complex.
This is a short biography of her. I plan to write a full one on my blog. I wonder if anyone can check, but I believe she had illustrated the Tearring Saga novels and/or the Berwick manga.
Pity broken by Olwin, B! Ike Deirdre and Katarina! So much for Xmas orbs, but as I didn’t have any of them they were all very welcome. I just wish I had a Santa hat accessory then I could pretend they were Christmas alts!
Wow, that’s VERY good. I know you’re no Awakening fan, but that’s some good fodder right there, and one of them can be HM farmed in the current TT too. Very nice pulls!
Thanks! Yeah, I’m considering training her up just for this TT, even though I really dislike her. Might as well though since I only use one armour unit and that one already has VF. Maribelle on the other hand is one of few FE13 characters that I can actually stand, so I think I’ll keep her. Hope you got something decent yourself!
I nailed Tharja on a no-Green round while trying for Lissa last year so she was pre-trained this time around. Overall she’s pretty solid, only thing that even dented her the whole run was a Laslow who got buffed off of a Rally and I think a Drive, plus CC Units are always fun.
I do want myself a Tharja because she’s pretty and cute and I like her as a character. But alas, the gacha knows, the desire sensor is active, and I haven’t even got a vanilla Tharja, not to speak of the Christmas version. Sadness.
Spent about 40 orbs to get Winter Eirika, +ATK/-HP. Not perfect, but thankfully not terrible either. I’ll hang on to the rest of my orbs for the next legendary banner. Hope everyone gets some good pulls!
Wait, Zelgius is a spirit in the game, but he doesn’t fall under this promotion? That’d be quite odd. Just picked him up and had to warn a friend who still hasn’t played Radiant Dawn that he might get a big reveal spoiled by Smash, of all games.
Too bad I already have every FE spirit except for RD Ike and female Corrin. Btw, does anyone know how I get these 2? Playing Corrin’s classic mode again didn’t help.
It’s bookofholsety who’d renamed him to Friedrich. He’s still Fred in the CYL poll (both of them but it doesn’t matter because they never updated Thite→Thea, for example).
Funny that they decided to include Lukas in here to ruin anyone’s attempts for Kliff. It clearly was intentional cause Seth also has Fort Def, and could have been the alternative.
I don’t care that it’s a character from Awakening or Fates, but that it’s a character that already has what 4 alts lol. They could’ve let say Aqua’s mother have this spot instead and that would’ve been way cooler than a 5th Aqua.
The Legendary Heroes are suppose to be characters that represent the series in a way. Yeah it’s another alt, but making a minor character a Legendary Heroes doesn’t make sense.
We’ll definitely get one as a legendary alt not to far down the line, and they’ll probably do it like they did the Robins where we get a regular banner with one and then a legendary with the other. Personally I think it would be cool if the alts were a staff wielding Hoshidan Noble for one and a tome wielding Nohr Noble for the other.
God I hate people with no foreskin.
FYI, there’s barely been any shaming, just disappointment and a dislike for the direction IS has been taking the game in this past year, and if there has been shaming then it’s a small minority that people like you use to generalize the community. That minority gives the community a bad name, but it’s only because of blanket statements being thrown around by insecure people to make themselves feel better.
There’s been Fates representation every month this year except June. That part is a fact. Anyways, people are salty this time not because of Fates, but 5 alts for one character.
Using reddit as something to support your point is weak. It’s only a FRACTION of the community that is active being only one platform and one of the websites that can be toxic because there’s barely any moderation for users, whom a majority are young hotheads. If you want plunge your head into garbage comments section then go ahead. Go to gamefaqs while you’re at it. Just look at reactions towards Gamepedia’s tierlist in the subreddit. It’s impossible to expect not so nice things from reddit comments. Sure, there are over 100000 subscribed, but how many of them do really participate in discussions of any topic. If anything people just use the subreddit for news or something. Don’t lump that 100000 together with the vocal minority
And what about youtube & this very website? If you got a better way to tell
Serene Forest might be the most welcoming website out there, but that doesn’t change the fact I’ve seen people complain non stop in the Heroes sub forum.
And why I should be angry about Azura having a 4th alt? All that timing argument is complete crap, Lucina didn’t have her 3rd alt 11 months later & her video is still one of the most dislike video out there. People have been saying that they would prefer Ghast as a legendary unit unironically.
The problem is that the silent majority is the vocal minority & I have yet to be convince otherwise.
???? Complaining is one thing, being toxic is another. If you wanna police people for having an opinion then go to authoritarian country. There’s disappointment and dislike for the decision in the Heroes forum here, but any shaming gets a user reprimanded, if there is any. Bad apples are rooted out and pulled like weeds over time in websites that care about their user’s experience in using them. And this forum has been around for a long time as well as the Heroes subforum being up for nearly two years. Heroes YouTuber’s and Twitch channels even have mods as well as being able to have automatic responses from bots regarding certain inappropriate actions.
You’re blowing things way out of proportions than what they really are.
Leif will never get an alt is why people aren’t up in arms about him getting 5 alts. Tho he is really popular in Japan.
You might be blind in that’s case. But I can’t stop you if want to keep on making ridiculously bold statements.
Because no matter how much I sympathize with the GBA & Kaga era fanbase, they still come across pretentious. I wanted a Roy & Alm alt for the longest time & yet I can’t go anywhere without someone shitting on the 3DS era
Everyone wants to pick a god damn side, then I choose the 3DS. I’m grew up with Blazing Sword but I refuse to part of those elitist pricks anymore
That’s really a minority of the so called elitists. And if anything, full-blown toxic users get a ban here in the forums or are reprimanded by mods. I occasionally see criticism for 3DS era across legitimate websites, but rather mild ones
elitist is such a meaningless term thrown around by new fans because they rarely have good enough arguments to sway old timers’ opinions. everyone needs a label for the people they don’t agree with.
If mild criticism is enough to rile you up the I pity you. There is one active inappropriate user that comes to mind from over the years but they’re in a gray area. They don’t break the rules in a manner that can be considered “Illegal”, but are an annoyance to the mods due to that. Breaking your own rules to penalize someone you don’t like doesn’t exactly set a good image
Well, I’m sorry to hear that. I do see a lot of 3DS hate, particularly where Heroes is involved since it launched as a game featuring ALL of Fire Emblem yet we tend to see a lot of Awakening and Fates. Awakening was my first game, and Fates was my second, third, and fourth, so I do like the characters, but it does bother me how little some of the older games are properly represented – as I commented below, Legendary Roy when? Fjorm, Hrid, and Gunnthra bother me as well, because they took up spaces I felt should have belonged to characters like a Legendary Sigurd/Seliph/Alm/Celica/Micaiah/insert chosen FE character here. On the other hand, Awakening in particular did manage to save quite a bit of the franchise, and Fates, despite its writing issues, did manage to be a decent followup, so I get why they get as much rep as they do.
Awakening’s success was the worst thing that could happen to the series.
I thought having a Final Fantasy moment would make people realize how lucky this series has gotten but instead all everyone else wants to is just give crap to others.
Uggggh! I read Fiora and felt a mix between confussion and hype until I saw Flora. Please, correct it before it happens to someone else.
And Fates is overepresented, Eliwood need some love, IS please, blahblahblah…
Well as nice as another flying dancer is, aside from a few select characters this banner is a skip for me. Hopefully (but not likely) IS isn’t gonna be stupid enough to use even more Fates/Awakening characters for New Years.
Thank god the boon/bane system got addressed. After experiencing other gachas, FEH’s nature system is ridiculous in a gacha game making it double the RNG when summoning for characters. Attempts at fixing is good
Tailtiu refine is a godsend for me. Thank you
Eh, 3.1 is mostly Aether Raid updates which is fine if they can make it less cancerous, although Seliph, Julia, Deirdre and Tailtiu getting refines (and a new weapon for Tailtiu) is nice. But 3.2 is where its at, that merge update is gonna be really really great since it means we won’t have to worry about -atk or -spd “flaws” anymore since it’ll get fixed right up after a merge…can we just call the stats boons and banes like normal? I mean asset and flaw are ok but is anyone really gonna start using those terms instead when we’ve been calling them boon and bane respectively for so long?
I wonder if they will allow characters with “Evolved” weapons to get the un-evolved versions of their weapons at some point, since it opens up more options. Like Sigurd might want whatever the Tyrfing refine is if you aren’t dealing with Magic users.
Dang my waifu Laegjarn’s not here ugh…..I probably might go Laevatein Múspell needs retribution one way or otherwise my other waifu Gunnthrá my girl! Also ABOUT TIME we can purchase some free new 5* from the banner I hope this stays a thing especially since I’m going red all the way and have Fjorm and Laevatein although neutral is awesome!
$75 a pop? Couldn’t you just make it cheaper IS, maybe I’d actually consider it then, but that much for a character that I don’t even care much for is steep…hell, it’d still be steep if it were for someone I did want. But IS has gone full whale whoring at this point, so what else is new?
Some of the people defending this saying “don’t buy it then if it’s so bad, it’s your choice” seem have taken notes from Andrew Wilson’s speech. Some people who waste their orbs resulting in nothing are going to buy those damn 75 dollar promos.
Anyways, I think they chose probably the worst orb package they could’ve coupled it with. You might think it make a lot of money because it’s based off of the most expensive orb package, but quite the contrary. The appeal of the orb promos was that you were getting a discount with some bonus stuff to boot for a cheap price. It’d have felt more reasonable for it to be 20$ or something. I understand that this is probably meant for whales, but it’s not as appealing as the monthly promos as they are for everyone.
I find it hilarious how one promo costs more than a AAA game. This game is a gacha, but from my experience of other gachas, a rather greedy and slow to improve one. All of the excuses of powercreep and cash grabs make the excusers sound like Feh is their only gacha they’ve ever played. The appeal of gacha games is collecting characters, not using busted characters in PvP. If only Feh could improve it’s story and how it presents summonable characters in story. Sinking ship at this point really if you look at revenue from last year and compare it to this one’s. From 300 mil to what’s predicted to be 200 mil. That’s a loss of a 100 mil.
I just saw someone trying to defend decisions related to PvP and… FGO and GBF make a lot more money without PvP. And most of their characters are original meaning that they don’t rely on nostalgia magets all that much when it comes to new characters.
That’s not entirely true about FGO- they do rely on sexualizing characters from 2004 (even when is strongly against their background), so while not as old as FE by any means, they do rely in a mix of nostalgia, fan exploitation and striping waifus for cash. Now, this is their business model and it works great- the sad thing is that FEH is in a limbo while trying to find a business model- they can’t go for the fanservice all the way because nintendo wouldn’t allow it, plus the prudish half of the fanbase would rage about it. They can’t go for a solid gaming experience because they seem to NEED to add mini money walls at every mode. It’s a shame really, because FEH gameplay is solid and you need to actually think and not just grind, unlike most gachas (at least for the abyssal and such) but I feel like it is already in it’s decline. They really should pay more attention to other gachas to see how they keep the interest from their playerbase. Heck that way maybe we could get a christmas present next year.
They don’t rely on nostalgia all that much is what I mean. Seasonals, sure. But most new characters are new with decent writing to introduce them to players. Some might be reskins, but of characters introduced in FGO. Saberface is a thing, but that seems to be an inside joke about the artist who designed her. FZ and FA are nostalgia cash grabs, but from what I remember those are from two events over the game’s entire lifespan.
People make fun of the fanservice aspects in seasonals that are ridiculous like Winter Tharja. No shame if you like her, but it’s funny how she’s an armored unit despite wearing a bikini.. Bikinis are rather fine from what I’ve seen if you make it so that you can’t make fun of it (it’s bikini armor, I swear). If you want to talk about reddit then that has something more to do with user moderation.
Problem with Feh is that Nintendo partnered with the wrong company. Other Nintendo mobile games flopped. And DeNA has a bad track record.
Dude, I didn’t recognize Gunnthra without her hat on so I was confused to who she was before she appeared on the video and started talking. I might go for all of these characters even though my main flyer team is somewhat solid, same with my horse team but it never hurts to experiment and try out different characters to see if they’ll work better.
Although this year was a massive gap year for the series it was alright for what happened for me the exciting parts was the Three Houses reveal trailer despite no further info WAY since then and the Book 3 trailer with the new characters which I love all of them especially Eir and the new updates. I just can’t wait till the next direct for finally more about Three Houses and to finally play it one of my most anticipated games of 2019!
FE16 is the make or break point for me regarding the series. Either it has to do the new things it does exceptionally well (think CQ applied to new systems) or fully commit to what made the previous console FEs great. If we get another Awakening I doubt my opinion of the series will ever recover.
Well that won’t the case for me since I like every game and Awakening is one of my favorite FE game so it won’t effect me at all if it it does for you that’s too bad(not saying this part to insult you).
I always love those Cypher Livestreams~ And I am really hyped about Three Houses! And this time, I use every Unit in this game and don´t do a DLC army like my Awakening playthrough~
I’ve noticed a tendency for this game to give me free pulls on the banners I don’t care the slightest over. I got a W!Fae on the last, and now I pulled a NY!Gunnthra on this. Irony is a cruel mistress.
Lucky! I think Gunnthrá is one of the best in this banner. My luck has been horrible lately: +spd Surtr, -spd Lewyn, -HP pitybreaker Loki, Lukas instead of Kliff…
Ah, and Happy New Year to all who read this.
Oof, hopefully things turn around soon enough. I remember back during Ike’s legendary banner my -atk streak started hitting me and went on through most of the year with only a few good IVs interspersed. Then again, the new merge update in Feb will definitely make things better from then on and some of those bad pulls I got can be salvaged.
I’m pleased 2018 was considered an FE gap year and I’m not the only one who isn’t easily dazzled by an app and some trading cards… To be fair (and not sound grumpy), I do love the new art some of my favourite characters of yore are getting with said app and cards. There’s plenty more obscure characters y’all could feature, Nintendo/IS…
Here’s a toast of hope for FE16/Three Houses! Looks like it’s got some cool new ideas to bring to the series a̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶g̶a̶r̶b̶a̶g̶e̶/̶f̶i̶l̶l̶e̶r̶
̶p̶l̶o̶t̶/̶w̶o̶r̶l̶d̶b̶u̶i̶l̶d̶i̶n̶g̶/̶M̶U̶M̶a̶r̶y̶S̶u̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶
̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶g̶a̶m̶e̶.̶.̶.̶ I think 2019 will be a good year for Fire Emblem. (Assuming no news since 2018 E3 is good news! Like fricking seriously, IS!! Y U NO UPDATE!!!)
I’m still a little surprised by these New Year’s seasonals. I guess I shouldn’t be — now is the time to capitalize off of them before they’re no longer relevant (presumably) in Book 3.
Having both Leanne and Reyson introduced at the same time seems excessive, but I don’t particularly mind since I like both of them and Naesala is also coming too.
Tibarn looks to be really strong, as expected. I’d definitely be gunning for him, so I guess I’d better stop pulling on New Years.
OMG, I need all of them! The Tellius games will always be my favourites. I was shocked when I saw both Reyson and Leanne because I feared they could sing to more than one ally (when transformed, at least). Also “Life Returns”>>>>>>>>”Lost in Thoughts”.
Been waiting and saving forever for this. It’s kind of weird that the herons were given offensive weapons, but I guess that’s just part of the game. Naesala is just about my favorite character in the series, but I’m not sure if it’s a blessing or a curse that he’s a GHB reward
While I love these games, Naesala is the one I want the most from this batch, and he’s turning out to be free. I think I’ll keep saving for the FE6 banner.
These are nice units and all, but IS really needs to focus on improving the modes. It doesn’t matter how high quality the heroes are if the modes you’re expected to use them in are still low.
IS hasn’t added anything new to the core gameplay since trenches way back. Rival Domains brought in “defend/attack the point” gameplay, but that’s never been applied to modes with narratives like the main story or Forging Bond. Forging Bond in particular is a let down since it’s just a bunch of Stratums that you auto battle through, but if there were special challenges that you unlocked along the way that connects to the story, things would be more interesting. Using the Forging Bonds that had Aversa, Kliff, Owain and Loki as an example; when Summoner was kidnapped, why wasn’t there a battle to rescue him in which you used a pre-set team of those five.
To me it pales in comparison to Deirdre’s and Julia’s (now are on the Ultimate Dragon Counter team along with Alm and LMarth). I think I’ll stick with her rain tome capable of OHKO when used with tactics and waves.
Well Julia definitely got the best out of all of them Close counter against dragon units negates their ‘targets lowest def/res’ and other staff users wrathful effect rip.
I’d say Seliph got a good refine too not as great as his sister’s but still pretty good. I mean innate Miracle AND ATK/DEF Bond? Yes please, his defense is really good if he’s +DEF and his attack while not great is decent and that ATK/DEF Bond refine just makes him a defensive monster almost on par with the armors as well as gives him more killing potential. And even though it’ll only kick in once per fight, Miracle means you can heal him back to full if your healer is still hanging around.
I’m a little disappointed Tiltyu will lose the blade effect, but these changes are not entirely bad. I could run a +atk one rather than the +spd one I’m currently using, so I’m glad I don’t have her at +10 yet.
The more I look at it the more I’m starting to think that it’s overall even better than Mjölnir. Getting rid of the +1 cooldown crap from her previous weapon means she can fire off more Glimmers, meaning it can trigger every round of combat due to her crazy speed. The wrath also helps patching up the loss of damage from her blade tome.
And with her refine, Swift Sparrow and a +Spd IV, she’ll have a 48 initiating Spd unmerged, which combos really nicely with Flashing Blade. So she could probably go with Luna instead for a higher damage output.
I’ve actually used Flashing Blade on her for some time now in order to deal with the higher cooldown, but now it’s going to be even better. I like the idea of Luna so that’s something to try out for sure. Once I get a +atk one I’ll probably roll with that though, since I feel like she already has sufficient speed. Here’s my +6 one for reference.
That’s a scary build, it’ll for sure be a nuisance to deal with in ARs, especially if you do mind games with the lightning traps to trick attackers into triggering it and getting trapped with her all Wrath and Desperation ready.
Don’t give me any ideas lol. If I use your Swift Sparrow suggestion, I should be able to run a +res build as well, since that would place her at a fairly solid 32-33 with the merges. She could utilise it as she wouldn’t be doubled, but I’m not sure I’d sacrifice her attack or speed for that.
The localization team made a mistake. “calculate damage from staff like other weapons” is non-existent in the Japanese version of the game. Gues they copy pasted Mystic Boost
After getting screwed with a 11.50% rate on the legendary banner, the game felt pity for me and gave me 2 Nailahs in my first circle…granted both for some reason wanted to be +Hp/-Def, but I’ll take the pity.
Astonishing good 5* rate, but: Elincia, Leif, 2x Owain, Ephraim, Ishtar, Swordhart, 2x Leanne, pulling red and blue. 530 orbs to start. 162 remain. I’m a bit sad, if I’m honest
Much smaller stash for me, but similar outcome. With about 140 orbs, I did get a Nailah on my second summoning circle and then 4 more 5-stars pulling red…but all pity breakers. Luke, Lyn, Laegjarn, and Lene. Down to about 25 orbs now. Gonna save up so I can combine with summon tickets and try for Tibarn a bit more.
Uggghhh… With all the hype I forgot that summoning is as cancerous as it can be. I only got another Zelgius at 4.25%. When will they demote some more characters? The 5* pool is overcrowded and they didn’t even demoted anyone from the Adrift banner.
Right after defeating Hel, she cursed Alfonse. He will die in 9 days, but only in the story, not in real life. I bet that in the next chapter, King Gustav will slap him for disobeying his orders, in which he warned him not to fight Hel.
PoR, yes. That’s due to localization changes, but yes.
RD, no. RD has some of the worst and most infuriating map design in the series causing it to have a frustrating difficulty.
I just low man the game with juggernauts and the laguz nobles make the endgame a joke. Granted RD was the first in a line of FE games to use over bloated enemy stats as a supplement for difficult map design that would last through the DS remakes and cap off with Awakening. Though the most frustrating thing I found in RD was the removal of mechanics on hard mode like seeing the danger zone.
But yes, it did have some really stupid or boring maps…like all of Part II was boring, and the Part III Micaiah chapters were stupid, which is why juggernauts are actually necessary for her team cause they’re mostly just swarm chapters and anyone not a juggernaut gets too easily overwhelmed. I usually went with Edward and Jill, on normal I’m able to get one of them to a 3rd tier by the end of Part I. Hard mode not so much due to the severe EXP nerf and the necessity of EXP spreading early on.
Wait what? You say FE10 has inflated stats, but it’s nothing like the cancer that Awakening or SD’s 3-5* HMs presented. The challenge in FE10 was designed intrinsically no matter what difficulty you were playing on, which is far more than you can say for either of those two games.
I didn’t say that the DS games and Awakening weren’t worse, they are by far the worse in how they handled difficulty. I simply said that RD started that trend where it was capped off by the biggest offender in Awakening.
I’m not really sure what you’re referring to. If you’re talking about Hard mode, that is objectively trash since its changes to the weapon triangle and UI elements only served to inconvenience the player than challenge them. But I think that due to the maps being as tightly built as they are, they used this as an alternate way of increasing the difficulty. The enemy stats are certainly not too inflated because if they were, adding such a strict challenge through stats would’ve left the game close to impossible to win due to RNG. Compared to Awakening’s boring maps where they threw massive stats on everything to simulate difficulty, RD’s challenge is directly scaleable through each of the difficulty modes. It has amongst the lowest replayability of all FE games, but the gameplay itself is very engrossing.
R E D H E L L: the revenge. I’d like to have Gray (he’s the only one that hasn’t pitybroken me), but I’m at 6 orbs and a 4.50% at the laguz banner. Is there any reason why he’s 5* exclusive, aside from good stat spread?
Predictions for the other 8 characters in the joint art:
Rutger or maybe Deke wielding Durandal
Gonzales or maybe Echidna wielding Armads
Lilina wielding forblaze (would be shocked if this was anyone else)
Bold prediction, Yodel wielding Aureola
Sue or maybe Dayan wielding murgleis
Shanna or maybe Zelot wielding Maltet
Sophia wielding apocalypse
and then Zephiel, I guess.
Alterntive theory, it’s the actual legendary heroes as like, ghosts or somthing.
Finally. Eternal Bond finally got a guitar cover. I was expecting this to happen in 2017 with Fire Emblem Warriors, but I guess later is better than never.
It´s like we already know what is coming so I don´t try to guess what it could be.
And are those washbowls? The one you can use to douche your body with water in hot springs/ bath houses.
For all the sillyness, I would argue that the best time for a Fates banner is after a Tellius banner. I would bet that most Fates fans entered at Fates (or Awakening) and can’t drop 80 or 300 dollars on RD or PoR respectively, and therefore haven’t played them.
I would be inclined to agree if we were deprived of reps from that game, but we’re not. In general, sure, but in this specific case there’s plenty of things that could’ve been chosen instead.
Both of those games are very easy to emulate anyway, both on PC and on a homebrewed Wii U. I bought them both on release but I still prefer them on my Wii U since I can play undubbed.
“Hostile” is a good word to describe people’s reactions to this.
In all seriousness, how have they not figured out that the general fans are tired of this? Guess they know that for all the outrage no one is going to really do enough and whales will whale anyway. Fates alts must get whales turned super on to make them do this so much.
Actually they planned the banners months before they come out. This banner was planned since July 2018 at least, and back then they didn’t know about fans disliking Fates banners in general.
I personally liked Fates a lot, and even if I am slightly tired of seeing some of these units, I don’t mind them.
>They didn’t know about fans disliking Fates banners in July
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but they absolutely planned for a Camilla in November AND January. That’s 200% on them for being stupid.
There is another option you should consider. I would be very surprised to see them plan Camilla in a towel with “steamed secrets” title and then give her for free. It is possible she was originally supposed to be summonable while the TT reward was probably Hinoka. Then Adrift happened and they maybe finally realized that the fans are significantly unhappy to see her this frequently. And thought “Whoops, and we have another one coming in January… let’s make her free at least…”
This has less to do with Camilla than it has to do with ”’lets give them two of the same unit within two two months.” That thought should never have crossed their mind. But I do hope you’re right.
It’s basically the same thing that happened with the L!Lyn banner, where she was revealed so shortly after LA!Lyn that people were upset.
At this point I’ve just accepted that IS plans one fucking everyone so instead of resisting I choose to lube up to make it hurt less, and maybe find some amusement.
I can get behind that mindset. Hell, I appreciate when other people have it. Anything beats people who make fun of when people complain when this stuff happens.
Good grief, if they wanted to make a big tiddy character for this set of special heroes Orochi was an easy option. Oh well one can only hope. At first I thought IS went full galaxy brain by not having Camilla in the actual banner so they wouldn’t get dislike bombed, but they showed her at the end anyway.
I just hope I’m not forced to summon for the TT. And still, my phone will be haunted by that Camilla because it’s free… If she got nice skills, I’ll fodder her.
Let’s hope people have learned something and use this to get characters who aren’t already in the game (I’ll be voting for mostly Tellius cast members — Haar, Skrimir, Ranulf, etc.). Failing that, at least vote for someone who isn’t overrepresented already. Please.
I feel like we’ll be getting a lot of votes for beast units this time. I really want them to do a dragon beast unit from Tellius to see if they count it as a dragon or a beast. Presumably dragon.
Btw.: Hector (BindingBlade/FE6) sounds like the same as with RD Ike last time, because he was on his way as Legendary Hero which I think was why we couldn´t vote for him.
Since many of my favourites are already in, I’ll pour most of my votes in for Altenna.
Other than that I might go for some FE6 character, probably Tate or Idoun, maybe Wade, Sue, or Perceval. Although it’s probable that at least one of those will appear in the upcoming banner.
I like they actually say that the same person in multiple games count towards the others and are not seemingly split like previous years. gonna vote 4 times for Jill and probably 3 for Lethe
A Jill voter, I see you too are a person of culture.
If I didn’t want Alm to get first or second so bad, I would do the same. Maybe I’ll throw a few votes her way anyway, she’s at an advantage this year at least.
Please, try not to vote Heroes OC with little to no personality. Not even characters like Hel, since we’ll get them eventually, just like Surtr.
I’ll go for Eliwood because IS seems to have forgotten who is the actual main character of FE7. Maybe Sephiran too, but I hate the “being in two games” handicap.
I actually think Camilla has a good shot at making it this time around, since she seems to be the most popular of the royal siblings in the game. It’s rather surprising that neither of the two CYLs had a Fates character.
I’m gonna be alternating between my favorite mage Nino and Alm cause Alm desperately needs an alt and Nino well I’ve already said. Don’t care that Nino already has an alt cause honestly compared to some like Camilla (who really doesn’t NEED another alt especially with her Tempest Trials one coming), Nino’s as well as some that only have their regular self and a single alt, may as well be nonexistent.
This banner is pretty good. This is a good chance for the players to get Leo or Takumi, because the chances of summoning one of them is higher in comparation to othes banners. I got a Leo in on circle, at 3,25%, and I got another Leo in the first orb of the next circle, at 3%. One of them I will keep, and the other will be fodder.
If you summoner wants to have some extra Close Counter, this is your chance.
It’s bait, but it is very good bait. I do recommend people who aren’t overflowing with orbs to wait and see what anni gives us first, though. I had some to spare and got CC in 60 orbs, not bad at all.
Better banner than the seasonal, wow. Nephenee is a special trigger machine, and my Elincia can beat ass despite being -atk. Brave Ike is Steady breath at this point unless you work on that speed, what a shame.
I’ve saved up a lot of orbs for this banner when I found out Elincia and Nephenee were going to be on it, Brave Ike is actually an amazing third focus unit as well, bunch of my favorite characters. Going to take a lot of effort to not spend everything I have, as I do want to wait and see the Mythic banner, but needs to have some amazing units to beat this, personally.
An interesting brand new caracter? They outdid themselves, if he wasn’t so… cancerous for AR. And if I hadn’t spent my orbs on the laguz banner.
I really hope Micaiah and Robin dethroned Camilla, trolls don’t deserve that sstisfaction.
You DO realize she actually has many fans than trolls especially in Japan she’s very likely gonna stay 1st and Michiah or F Robin will be 2nd she’s very popular than obviously what the vocal minority says….she and the other winners will get excluded in the next one like past participants get over it….
I won’t deny she can have fans that actually like her, but she got so many alts that if those fans aren’t satisfied at this point I don’t when they will. I mean, if I had 6 Sorens, I would vote for someone who actually deserves another alt.
Well, at least they have released a balanced hero with no powercreep that will reward careful thoughtful play. Langrisser is looking even more appealing at the moment. I suppose the straw I could clutch at is that we might get the chance to vote him in as the peoples hero… well, him or Wrys.
Langrisser M is so much better that Heroes that it’s almost hilarious. It’s not only a proper SRPG for mobile, but it also exemplifies what the series is about without sacrificing depth in favour of modernising the game for a broader audience.
I’m really enjoying Langrisser at the moment – throwing in characters like Dumbass and Suturd make AR and arena a chore. I’d go for interesting wacky characters in alt costumes with balanced stats and interesting subtle skills like a shot, but this stuff is a right turn off – its really spoiling the game for me and I’ll bet a fair few others. And I don’t even mind stuff like Ouch pouch Camillia – her poor back must be almost broken!
I would prefer it if we didn’t have any alts whatsoever. But the issue of course is that balancing a gacha game is always going to be hard as time goes on, if the only alts we had were the CYL variants and stats/skills were more balanced across the board, the game would be fairly decent. Duma is an interesting addition as a character, but the armour crap is just annoying.
In Langrisser every unit has a niche, even the R ones. Leticia for instance is a really powerful support unit due to her ability to grant other units extra movement.
Expected characters except Eliwood overtook Marth I guess all FE7 Lords get something I guess. It’ll interesting next year once the new game this year comes out.
I would’ve preferred a focus on characters we didn’t already have — I think it’s reasonably likely we’ll get some sort of Alm and/or Eliwood alt that will bump up against the CYL release, like Hector did last year — but I’m really excited for Brave Micaiah. Ultimately, I’m happy with the vote
It’s not like it’s entirely unjustified. Fates writing as a whole is shite, but characters like Camilla and Tharja are the epitome of tropey video game writing that strays too far away from the typical FE formula. Of course people would be annoyed when characters with actual depth are shafted in favour of ones that are designed from the outside in.
You don’t think I don’t know that? I was on that side for awhile until I got tire of it. Wanna move on for a better things instead of being piss off 24/7.
This community was divided long before Awakening ever came to existence. It’s just stupid now because there’s apparently a segregation Fire Emblem fan & now being a Camilla fan. There’s so only so much you can be piss off at a character
Somebody’s sensitive…some people don’t like the same things you do, and that’s okay. Ruminate on that and consider learning some punctuation while you’re at it.
*Shrug* whatever gets you through the day, my dude. There are a lot of Camilla fans out there. I’m not so sure they appreciate your representation of them.
You’re being hypocritical. Starting out by saying “Really, Camilla? *sigh*” and then defending yourself with “Some people don’t like the same things you do, and that’s okay” shows that you lack self awareness. I can easily take that second quote and use it against your original post. You don’t like Camilla but other people do, and that’s okay. Also, criticizing someone’s punctuation proves you don’t really have an argument to make and are just being petty at this point. We all obviously love Fire Emblem, so there’s no need for any of this.
To end on a more positive note, I too am happy for Eliwood. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with him.
Alas, I’m not the original poster and you probably shouldn’t denigrate them because of me. In fact, I’ve not said anything negative about Camilla. Furthermore, we’re not making arguments and comments about punctuation don’t “prove” anything. I personally don’t think punctuation is petty — it’s so easy and helps with clarity — but it is admittedly not much related to the topic at hand. All I know is that seemingly whenever anyone says anything that isn’t unmitigated praise for Camilla, they’re more often than not met with some punctuation-less gibberish or bastardization of the English language in response.
And to really belabor my first point, on the topic of Eliwood, I’m pretty indifferent. I like the character, but I’m not altogether fond of cavalry and we’ve already had Brave Roy in his image.
Ah it appears as though I made an oopsie! I’ll be honest, I only saw the first letter of the username was “S” and they appeared to be the same length. You’d think I would know not to browse comments after being awake for an extended period of time. I apologize. Having words put into your mouth is always crappy.
For your second point, you didn’t seem to have any problem understanding what they said. So yes, to me your comment about punctuation still comes across as a petty jab to said person. And I would say I certainly notice that there are far more people flying off the deep end every time Camilla gets any recognition at all compared to how many actually defend her.
Either way I’ll leave you to the rest your day. Apologies again!! 😀
Hey, don’t worry about it. I’d never begrudge someone making a mistake, particularly if they admit it.
My experience is typically that anytime someone expresses anything negative about Camilla, they’re met with an unintelligible torrent the likes of which we see above, usually covered in upvotes, again, as we see above. I don’t have a problem with someone saying they dislike a character, and I typically don’t see ad hominem attacks from that side. But maybe that’s not your experience. I get that this is a very small microcosm of a larger community issue that I’m not a part of, but it still seems like there’s a lot of sensitivity to me. No offense intended against you though, and it’s easy enough to back off on the grammar/punctuation digs, pet peeve of mine though it is.
I’m not surprised. But I’m also not obligated to be happy or excited about it.
There are a lot of other characters that also have fans.
We’ve already got 6 Camillas, she’s not a character I particularly like, why would I be anything but resigned about it.
Why are you being so antagonistic? There’s nothing to win or lose. I didn’t make myself “bad” or “worse”, I merely expressed my opinion. I didn’t think I did it in a way that was so inflammatory to people. I didn’t say anything derogatory or aggresive as far as I’m concerned. Apparently some people took it that way, I don’t see how clarifying it now is a problem. I don’t check comments online that often.
clarifying it isn’t a problem at all, it actually made things better imo…
my 2 cents is Camilla made it. Ok, if they make her well (maybe focusing more on her cold, aggressive personality rather than her typical doting) I think that would be cool
Eliwood same thing in sense of I would rather have other characters, but I am not that upset about him winning
Michaiah probably my least favorite of this group, will try to get her because I like having all the brave heroes, but definitely my least favorite of the 4
Finally, Alm has a lot of potential and can be an incredible unit, (especially if he is the Conqueror class)
next year I really hope it is the following 4
Marth (been robbed 3 years in a row of being top 5 minimum)
Anna (its her time)
Robin M my favorite character besides
Robin F because she was really close again this year and it would be cool if both robins won at the same time
anyway this might be more than 2cents, so keep the change
I’m so glad Eliwood did it that I don’t care about Camilla at all (one less character to go for). And Soren in 9th place! I feel sorry for Anna, though. To me she is the face of the franchise instead of Marth.
My guesses are that Micaiah might be a singer and Alm will have his old dick armor, similar to Celica.
Very pleased with the CYL results, Micaiah and Alm winning is awesome.
I am concerned about the current lack of a FEH channel though. Anniversary is tomorrow… was hoping for a bit more than one or two in-game notices, especially with all the flak FEH is getting from Langrisser right now.
Really disappointed in this anniversary celebration, it felt more like a standard FEH channel with the only difference being some randomly assignment 5* heroes. For the longest time IS was only drip feeding us content updates, and I was ok with that so long as the anniversary made up for things by being big…guess that’s not the case. If IS isn’t going to make the necessary changes in any kind of timely manner, then that reveals them to not care for the player base in any way beyond the abusive relationship they’ve tricked players into being content with.
Dragonflowers are pretty cool. I appreciate anything that promotes hero versatility and isn’t necessarily geared toward PvP, but my fear is that we’ll get them in really small quantities, like every other resource they give us (I don’t know about everyone else, but I have almost 1000 grails right now, which seems altogether too few since it takes around 2200 to +10 one unit from that pool).
And the changes to Aether Raids don’t really seem like they’ll going to be that beneficial. I’m up to tier 19 so far, which means I’m seeing 6-hero defense teams, and it’s kind of a slog. It’s a lot of Ophelias with charged specials positioned at the end of a narrow corridors backed by Reinhardt/Veronica/etc. and 1-2 dancers. And I haven’t even seen Duma yet.
Happy enough about the free units (grabbed a Lissa, whom I’ve wanted for a while) and orbs as anybody, but I feel like we’re getting to the point where we need something more.
Another problem with the Dragonflower is that I feel like they’re trying to address a balance issue by allowing infantry to go up to +10, but that’s not going to fix things. The real problem is the powercrept BST between old and new units. Most units of all unit types have the majority of their older heroes unviable. So heroes like Beruka, Abel, or Ceada need an extra boost to help them out, but will not be getting it while heroes like L!Ike and Ophelia who do not need the help…but will be getting it. So it already looks like they fucked up with this new feature already because they’re that detached from the player base.
It sounds like all IS did was look at the feedback for AR’s first week back when everyone was still having fun and still wanted more tries. The real problem with AR is that it’s plagued by either the team comps you mentioned or teams built to stall the 7 turn time limit. If they really want to fix the system, they need to put limitation on what the defense team can be made up of. If Relay Defense squads are limited to only 1 dancer/singer, why not AR? Also, remove the 7 turn time limit, or extend it to 10 or 12 turns to make stalling tactics unviable and severely decreasing Surtr’s stronghold in the meta….cause fuck Surtr.
Yeah, you make really good points. They probably should’ve allowed you to use dragonflowers on units based on their BST tier. Like “first generation” units having lower BSTs than later units. Or they could just spot pick which units it applies to like they seem to be doing with weapon refines.
I personally don’t see as many stall teams and don’t struggle with them as much, but I think your point still stands. Of course, we know why they do this. As it is now, losing 80 lift per day (with a defense loss) with the ability to gain only 200 if you’re really fortunate and don’t draw any of the combinations we’ve mentioned, it will still be very hard to improve after a while. They clearly want to make it so you more or less need mythic heroes and merges to boost your lift, because that makes them money. In that sense I suppose it’s not much different than the ceiling in arena.
Seems good, but I still must complain about the number of 5* exclusives being too high in comparison with the total number of units. For each new banner, they only demote one and the seasonals are always kept at 5*, even when they’re literally trash. Besides, the chances of pulling a 5* are too low and Leo and Mist are still haunting the pool.
The whole pool is honestly too big. What they need to do (in addition to demoting some more units) is start cutting it for each banner. Each banner should have only a portion of the non-focus 3*,4*, and 5*. It would encourage people to pull where they might not otherwise. Like, I might pull on these really boring BHB banners if they also included a smaller 4* pool that allowed me a greater chance at Reyson or Nowi at 4* (whereas they wouldn’t appear at all on other banners).
Yeah, that sounds good enough. I can’t help but thinking that my chances of pulling Reinhardt or Soren (I have a total of 4 and 8 respectively) are lower than getting Jagens or Arthurs (I don’t know how many full merged I could have if I cared) . I just got my first Libra yesterday, and I’ve been pulling for greens on some banners.
IS: “Now Seth will be a viable unit” (proceeds to give him ruby sword with tactics defence).
I just promoted Eliwood because I had nothing else to do, so I’m glad he’s finally receiving a refine.
I prefered the peoples hero last year. Vote for who you like, but you have only got a 25% chance of pulling from the golden orbs, presuming there is an even colour spread behind the 4.
Aside from the return of the loosely-clothed armoured unit, everyone else is on point. I’ve been anticipating Greil for a long time, but I never thought he’d be introduced as a seasonal before his regular variant. A Soren alt was even more unexpected.
I hope Greil doesn´t meet the same fate like Charlotte & Noir! I wish he will come in his original form with Elena!
For me, Miwabe Sakura always draws the cutest units~
YES! Finally another full non-Fates banner. I think I know the two that are gonna be gunned for the most. To be honest this was a bit of a missed opportunity to add Ike and Mist’s mother into the game, I mean yeah at most she’s only mentioned by name and we only ever see her twice in PoR but still (once in that little cutscene of Ike’s memory at the beginning and then another screenshot of her getting stabbed by Greil when Volk was explaining things to Ike). Also to those whom aren’t likely happy Ike got another alt, best to grin and bare it cause he doesn’t have as many as Camilla.
You mean for the part about Ike and Mist’s mother? Sure I can do that, even though the game’s been out for years and almost everyone should possibly know about that little tidbit.
Definitely, but to me a spoiler is a spoiler regardless of age. This article also has nothing to do with Elena herself, so it’s kinda hard for someone wishing to avoid such a spoiler to do so based on the title.
It’s about time we got a dedicated Telius seasonal banner. Even if I’m not interested in this banner, I’m glad others are and I finally have some down time to save my orbs.
Cool, another banner composed almost entirely of alts. Just what everyone was clamoring for. And the last alt-filled limited banner isn’t even half over yet.
They could’ve used the Legendary/Mythic Heroes system to actually offer up something living up to the name and given us Gawain with Urvan or one of the legendary swords. Instead we get a half-assed Greil with a generic axe and a contradictory skill set.
I don’t see why you’re complaining… Everyone knew we were getting alts for this banner, since it’s the seasonal Valentine’s Day banner. If this was just a random alts banner like the last one, then I’d understand, but that isn’t the case here…
Seeing my -def Zelgius with 39 def and my -atk Grima with 37 atk is one of the most beautiful things in this game.
The IV applications might be useful since the bane is unmarked after the merge, leaving only the boon.
The dragonflowers system is bs and only tries to urge players to spend orbs in the most recent units, since obtaining them later will result in less dragonflowers.
Agreed. Really good point. The dragonflowers aren’t a meaningful improvement and reducing the number you get over time is insulting. In fact, it runs counter to the reason why most people would want dragonflowers: to upgrade older units. Were they having trouble incentivizing people to pull on recent banners? I’d find that hard to believe, but even if so, what an absurd way to attempt to improve that
I mean, it’s really not that big of a deal since Book II ran for about a year so Book III and subsequent Books (if any) will probably run for a similar amount of time. That means an entire year to pull Heroes from the most recent book, and spooks are fairly common compared to other games.
The only thing really wrong about this is that Book I and Book II Heroes reward far too little dragonflowers in comparison to Book III. I feel like it’d be more fair if they rewarded 20 and 30 respectively, meaning a 10 dragonflower increase for Heroes of each subsequent book. I’d even have settled for 10 and 20, but 2 and 8 is cheap.
You know, I didn’t realize they were scoring them by year/book. If that remains the case, I agree with you. I’d also add that a simple +1 to each stat is hardly anything to be so stingy about
I mean, the whole point of the game (from a business perspective) is to get players to keep spending money on new units. It’s the same reason dragonflowers don’t impact Arena scoring – if older characters were actually competitively viable, there would be less incentive for players to whale for new units.
That last part may be a bit of an overstatement. My main team and most of the other ones consist mainly of first gen units, and I’m in upper echelons of both arena and aether raids. Naturally they have inherited skills, but that’s a given.
Every feature and mode IS has introduced recently has been one step forward, and two steps back. I’m all for long term investments, but the amount of time needed to get enough dragonflowers to unpowercreep an older unit is too long.
That was the first thing I noticed, “only infantry get the +10?” There are tons of units in the flier and horse unit types like Subaki or Cain who desperately need the help in against the BST powercreep.
Spent all 250 of my Orbs really wanting all 4 of them since I’m a PoR sucker got Ike early, 3 Greil’s and then Soren right at the very end. However along the way I got chain broke with a male Grima a couple orbs after my second Greil so not to upset, but I was upset by the Ishtar (broke a large streak), 2 Nailahs (TBH I wasn’t even after her in her banner and I got her there too) and a god damn Libra. Guess I will try again later on after I build more orbs or just wait for her to pop up in a mythic or legendary hero Banner so at least the chains don’t break.
Same starting point, got Soren and Ike quite early, then Siegbert breaking an ugly rate but second Ike came right after that. And second last summon was Deirdre. So I am kinda disappointed with the unit count and two pitybreakers that I won’t use TnT
However, then I bought the February orbs to give it a try and got a fricking ZELGIUS. And then I collected five orbs from Water Garden and Greil came. Now I would really use second Greil as fodder for my Spring Alfonse and that Mist ♥
And hear me, I am far from being a PoR sucker but they have fricking Slav outfits ♥
250 orbs isn’t really considered enough to get all four of them. It’s generally said that 100-120 will get you one focus unit. So you actually had a very good rate overall. That said, I’m very jealous of your haul
“I’ll summon on Red, I might get Summer Tiki or Halloween Nowi, and hey, the only one out of them I already have is Summer Micaiah, so my odds are good.”
You got Festival Micaiah, the one you already have, right? At least she is a good unit, and you can negate her bane/flaw by merging her or fodder her for Atk/Res Bond.
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Also, Halloween Nowi was in the other banner, not this one. I believe you meant Halloween Myrrh, right?
While Christmas Eirika is definitely NOT Valentine’s Roy, she’s still a respectable Unit, so I guess I’ll take it, even if she was pretty low on the list for who I wanted. Fingers crossed for my free pull when they redo last year’s Valentine’s Banner, I’m in the middle of gunning for Hot Spring Sakura and then need to conserve anything extra I get in case the new BB Heroes are worth it.
This could potentially make or break my opinion of this game. Please, no grinding, traversable world map, disjointed story and gameplay, avatar, and contrived children. Also less focus on pointless conversations. A bit of map diversity would be welcome as well.
Avatar has pretty much been announced with the teacher thing. But I agree no kids unless we are Genealogy-ing this. Plus somewhere there going to be grinding unless they bring back the bonus XP which I would be fine with.
Keep in mind that when I say avatar, I mean a self insert who every female in the cast tries to suck the dick of. If he is a silent protagonist/has a role akin to Mark I would be completely fine with it.
You’re really enjoying this, aren’t you? Creating alts and upvoting yourself, I mean. Maybe you should pony up an actual argument if you wish to have some form of credibility rather than the fictitious satisfaction of agreeing with yourself.
Jesus wept. A toddler can figure out that you’re the same person. The fact that a person can be this pathetic is distressing to me. Blocked and reported.
Well Fuck you for insulting someone that didn’t even did anything wrong but gave their input with no malice your making the TC look even worse with you added…..
This is why I never go to comments on places like this didn’t do anything but said a few words nothing else and don’t worry I reported and block that guy as well I don’t let these toxic people ruin my hype! 🙂
I’m hoping for at least a return to Blazing Blade and Sacred Stones. I don’t think they’ll catch lightning in a bottle like they did with Tellius ever again. Really all of the games have some odd gameplay imbalances, so as long as it’s nothing unpleasant like Shadows of Valentia, I’ll be okay. It’s really the tone and story that I want to see return to form
I never thought the day would come when I’d consider FE8 as “returning to form”, but I agree. Even though this was my most disliked game before Awakening came out.
But honestly, it’s not impossible for them to make something as great as the previous console games. The features they add simply need to be there for the betterment of story and gameplay, and not for the sake of a hollow “endgame” and easy DLC vectors like pretty much all 3DS games are guilty of. Mechanics like those hurt the classic Fire Emblem formula and end up bending the setting apart through the way they are written into the story.
If Nintendo is mentioning Three Houses in the video, the game will have a good amount of time in the spotlight. Maybe at least 10 minutes of Three Houses.
11:00 p.m.? Oh well, work starts at 5:00 a.m. so this is fine~
I hope there is no message about some DLC which cost more than the game itself…please no!
Ignoring that “specific” user here like wow….I’m so excited that its gonna be focused so much time it needs from the 8 month absence can’t wait to see what’s going down!
For those wondering, Best Buy’s already sold out (for now)…I know because they sold out as I was in the process of entering my payment information. This was about 20 minutes ago for me v_v
Already?! I had to get ready for a college class, so I wasn’t able to pre-order in time. If the game sells out this quickly, then it might be worse than the Fire Emblem if: Special Edition fiasco.
You may have to go in-store to order it, for some reason the site’s been messed up all day. I had to go in-store to get mine ordered. You’ll have to pay upfront, too.
Ugh… don’t remind me (what Fates ended up being not withstanding). I might just stick with the regular edition… unless there’s special content or, y’know, the actual whole game on one cart.
Update: I pre-ordered the game on Amazon a few hours ago. I apologize for not posting this sooner. Thank you, nowinstock, for sending me the notification. On-release shipping with no extra charge. Better than my pre-order of FE14 at GameStop from 3 years ago ($20 for the on-release shipping).
The lack of emphasis on combat in the footage makes me fear that this will be heavily character focused. A positive though is that the avatar seems to be non-responsive, so praise be that we likely won’t have to deal with illogical hookups.
On the other hand, the inclusion of one in the first place could be the games undoing. The avatar in Heroes became the main character of a story that, while somewhat bland, was still set in stone. This led to the plot reading like a really bad fanfiction, and the same issue plagued Awakening. In that game, they wanted a traditional FE story with a twist and also a self insert. So the avatar shoved away every other character while being told how amazing, great, and brave they were while every other character sits patiently in a corner until its time to spread their legs. So far none of this seems to be the case in 3H, but it’s hard to say at this point in time. The lack of speaking though is a positive for sure.
I worry about the Avatar character largely because of how they marketed things in that trailer: “YOU are the hero the world needs!” “YOUR students!” “YOU ALONE can see the dragon girl!” Really makes it seem like the avatar is going to be wayyyyyyyy too big a part of the story, or even the story will revolve around them, and that’s what’s really hurt previous FE titles. The world and other characters get me excited, so much of the game’s concepts and ideas and world and scenario are really exciting, but how they made it pretty clear in that trailer that your avatar is a huge part of the story and even a special sort of chosen one is a big red flag for me. I didn’t hold out hope they’d actually leave that kind of writing behind for modern FE, but I couldn’t help wish for it. Maybe some day they’ll leave the avatar worship behind, but it doesn’t look like Three Houses is the game that does it.
It does look like the rest of the cast will have more to do and be more their own agents in their own stories, so I’m hoping that’s the case. A lot of this game looks really promising and like a step in the right direction, but the avatar stuff looks like it will, in some ways, be worse than it’s ever been (though it’s a step in the right direction if they don’t give your avatar romance options… or at least not romance options with your students. Please… IS… don’t do it)
I don’t think the existence of an avatar necessarily says anything about what we can expect from the writing. Sure there’s definitely a thin line with self-insert characters, but I think a teacher/advisor character that isn’t a playable unit and doesn’t have romance options (even better if they don’t speak at all) could be a lot of fun. Besides, stories in general are fairly often about chosen ones, so I don’t think we can conclude anything about that yet. We really know so little about the plot and the style of writing we’re getting. I’m holding out hope that we’ll get a tone that resembles the E3 trailer. I really loved that
The issue with that though is that all the 10 other games (+TRS) in the series that don’t have a self insert are all infinitely better from a written standpoint, despite not being masterpieces in their own right. They present a set story that doesn’t have that big a problem vector of making a self insert work. It’s simpler and less constrained by the mechanics of the game. Fates is surprisingly the game that handles its avatar the best, since the split paths allowed for some actual depth and motivation out of the opposing characters.
Of course, if the 3H avatar is only a visual representation of the player making choices, and doesn’t romance anyone else or have cringeworthy support conversations with them, then that’s something else entirely. It’s just a more developed Mark at that point, which I would not mind at all. Although I did spot a “love points+” icon in the form of a heart in the trailer, so who knows.
Yeah, personally, I’m really hoping for a Mark, or more developed Mark, but not a playable unit. I still don’t think the reason Awakening and Fates are badly written completely because of the avatar. It’s correlation without causation. They’d be badly written without one. That said, I’m hardly in love with the concept, as I noted.
Yeah the writing for the FE series has seen a big change in recent years, and I don’t think it helps that it seems like the writing staff for Awakening, Fates, and Shadows of Valentia were all completely different? I know Fates’ main story writer was a manga author, so at least Awakening and Fates had different people in charge of the story and characters. Shadows of Valentia I thought was very well-written (though like you said I don’t think it’s an Avatar or self-insert thing, as both Alm and Celica had shades of the character style for Robin/Corrin but were just better written). So I’m curious how Three Houses will shake out, even if I end up not being a fan of all of the ideas, if they have a strong writing team and execute well on their ideas we could see a really excellent game. FE is a series where its stories, I think, have been strongest when they’ve been well-written, so we can’t really tell how good the story will be just from ideas and concepts.
A teacher/advisor character not being playable and not having romance options could be fun, but the trailer makes it clear that the Avatar character is definitely playable (seen multiple times as a controlled combat unit alongside student characters in battle scenes).
I too loved the E3 trailer, so I still don’t fully know what to expect from the full game. The two different trailers have very different focus and tone, so I’m very interested to see how the final game shakes out. This trailer didn’t do much for me since so much of the focus was on the self-insert protagonist, but the world, setting, and other characters really interest me! And the gameplay changes look to be really exciting!
Heroes is what happens when you can’t write a good enough story to keep you engaged and paying for it at the same time. I’m shocked the game hasn’t died yet. 3H is a breath of fresh air to me compared to that piece of crap.
Personally, I wouldn’t take the lack of combat as an indication of anything. The game releases after E3, they need to save the juicy footage for then.
Likewise, I wouldn’t read too much into the school environment. Whether either the hub or the early game setting, it may have little to do with the campaign at large.
I’m not sure we really learned anything that would allow us to make conclusions about what kind of game we’ll be getting. It looks like we’re returning to the non-unit tactician/avatar, which is neat, but the possibility of school elements doesn’t exactly excite me. Still, it certainly seems like they put more effort into it than they did for Fates.
I suspect what they showed off tody was just the first few chapters (think Lyn’s mode), with an inciting incident that causes the 3 kingdoms to go to war. Your students look to be trainee classes with wide flexibility in their promotions, with later chapter giving you more set in stone characters, in traditional FE fashion, that can still be “taught” by you.
They did a similar thing with Fates and Echoes where they focused on the gimmick of the game (Fates was the branching stories and Dragon Veins, Echoes was the dungeon crawling) even though those gimmicks were much more low-key than the initial revealed would’ve led you to believe.
You could definitely be right. It goes to reiterate my point that we didn’t really learn a whole lot, which I’m more saying for my own benefit, since I’ve just about every reaction to the Direct from “Gods I hate this” to “I must preorder this right now”.
I think the teaching aspects could be fun from a resource/unit management perspective and I’d be fine being handed a bunch of trainee classes (as an aside, are there three routes in this game, one per house? This article makes it seem that way).
For me, it’s really going to be about the writing, and we really don’t know anything about that yet. But it is interesting to be that this trailer is so different from the E3 trailer (which I loved)
I actually really dig the academy setting. It’s something different and has potential for some fun mechanics. I’d rather they branch out with some new ideas like this rather remake the same game over and over.
I’m getting some serious Valkyrie Chronicles 2 vibes with the whole academy setting, hopefully they do it right since VC2 wasn’t a fantastic game. Either way, hoping it’s good and people can stop being so toxic about modern FE.
already like this Modern look for fire emblem. the way classes are handled is also pretty good. the MU male and female don’t look to bad imo. I don’t really care if we have a MU as long as its done like Robin which he is the first MU to be important in a story, not like corrin. either have it or don’t have it
Probably. Intelligent Systems is most likely aware that permadeath scares away many potential customers, plus every Fire Emblem game since New Mystery of the Emblem (FE12) has had some way to play without permadeath. Even in Fire Emblem games without a casual mode, you can still reset the game whenever somebody dies. That’s what most players do.
This game looks great but everyone is not asking the right questions…
which house will you choose on your first playthrough?
I am thinking Faerghus for me
Noticed when Casper used the iron gauntlets he was able to attack twice before the enemy had a chance to counter attack, possibly an advantage to using fist weapons?
Also when Bernadetta uses Curved Shot there is a 3 that appears next to the skill. With weapon durability right below that number it can be assumed that skills are now connected to durability, the better the skill the more durability you need to spend.
You might be right about Casper hitting twice due to weapon advantage but that seems a bit odd don’t you think? A weapon’s advantage suddenly having the ability to double before the attacked character can counter, thats not how it was in older Fire Emblems unless it was a brave type weapon. I think the gauntlets regardless of what type they are (i.e. Iron, Steel, ect.) have an innate brave effect, that seems more likely.
Was that really in 6? Cause if it was then I never noticed since most of the weapons, even swords, were a good bit on the heavy side, not to mention most of the characters had low cons and were somewhat slow to boot. I know that any weapon could double (quad if using a brave weapon) if its wielder had like 5+ speed over their target (sans Gaiden/SOV of course, only needed 1 point of speed to double).
They meant it was in the design documents, but never made it to the game. Originally, they planned to make the weapon triangle really prominent, by giving additional bonuses like swords will always double attack axes.
I’m seeing a lot of inspiration from Valkyria Chronicles and Persona, of all things. There seems to be a big focus on character management and customization. I assume this will be reflected in a lot of slice-of-life/day-to-day interactions at the academy, and I wonder if and how much that will cut into the actual overarching story and the battle gameplay.
I agree on the Valkyria Chronicles vibe, some seem to be getting VC 2 vibes thanks to the school system which I think is a fair assessment. I’ve never played 2 though I can’t say for sure, same with Persona. Personally I like it as I really like VC despite only ever playing 1 and the demo for 4. Hopefully the classes for the characters aren’t too generic in a sense.
Looks… different. Way better than Fates, though (at least at the moment), and the three “paths” will be in one single game: having to pay for 3 games that didn’t convince me was the main reason I didn’t buy Fates. I still don’t like those generic jrpg designs, and a marriage system will look even worse now, it would turn this game in your classic anime visual novel. But I think the “teaching” thing will heavily rely on strategy and that’s just great.
Part of it is that they’re just faces, no head/body gear or accessories that would influence their design. Ex: Ike’s headband, knight armor, pope garb, etc.
This doesn’t make it more “generic JRPG design”. It’s not like characters wearing armour sets is something unique in the JRPG genre.
Also, characters wearing uniform-like clothes fits with the context of TH. And besides that, characters wearing clothes not particualry suitable for medieval warfare is something FE always did, even in the older games.
Maybe it doesn’t make them more JRPG, but it does make them more generic. Even Persona separates it’s cssr by giving them different outfits than their school uniforms.
Most jrpg’s styles are a mix between medieval and modern ages, and so we have motors and flying ships while fighting with swords and bows. These characters’ clothes are uniforms from a random college and people nowadays could wear them without it being too weird. Besides, most faces look the same, even more than Kozaki’s.
I’d like to point out that the scene where the Avatar gets nailed by the axe and then rewinds so he/she can block the attack, the one attacking them looks like its the bandit boss Kostas although I could be wrong and its just a random bandit that has a oddly similar face.
The way I’m picturing it right now is that Kostas attacks the group in a night raid en route to the monastery in the Prologue or maybe Chapter 1. This awakens the Avatar’s ability and gets them their position as teacher, but Kostas and his group are only pushed back instead of captured or killed. The next chapter has the knights figuring out where Kostas fled to and following to finish the job, hence Kostas exclaiming that the “knights followed us all the way here?”
Would make sense of Kostas apparently axing the Avatar in the back, the Avatar’s abilities seeming to be awakened by that attack, and the chapter battle with Kostas seeming to take place during the day.
I have to agree there, its likely the group runs into Kostas’ group during the night or were probably ambushed on the way to the Monastery. And I agree that this particular incident is likely what the narrator was talking about when the Avatar awakens their “mysterious power”. Hopefully more will be explained in a later trailer. Hopefully our guesses are either right on the mark or VERY close to it.
Well it seems to be going full bore on content. Like a Persona time/relationship management with Hogwarts type of lore structure and Fire Emblem mixed with Langrisser battle tactics.
A few things I noted that may or may not be significant. Sothis is an incarnation of Isis the Egyptian goddess that shepherds the dead to the Underworld but also with Anubis who is the god of the underworld. She may well preside over some dimension akin to the otherworlds of other games, which are also associated with Manakete and Dragons.
The Adrestian Empire is a clear nod to Byzantine Rome especially with double headed gold eagle over imperial red. The Holy Kingdom of Faerghus is represented by the winged griffon which is used by many cultures. And Leicester Alliance is clearly inspired by the Holy Roman Empire. The HRE was a series of independent princedoms that existed as a loose confederation, and the title of Emperor itself was an elected position, rather unusual for an Empire and its said in the trailer that the one archer is the son of the current league alliance head. In that case it might not be dissimilar to a Moot or a Republic either.
Byleth is an interesting name because its the name of a Grand Duke of Hell in the Lesser Key of Solomon. He has the ability to change genders at will (The male is cool and quiet and the female is very friendly) and provides love to whoever summons him by making others love them with a blessing. Interesting indeed but we knew that name already.
The Armor type seems to represent roughly 15th century plate armors used by Italians and Germans. The architecture seems to indicate this as well but thats attention to detail i wouldnt expect from Fire Emblem.
Nice catch with the mythology! Going off of that origin for Sothis, I’m assuming that the avatar potentially dies and comes back with some kind of time bending power. Sothis likely teaches the player how to use this in their ‘visions’ of her. I’d be willing to guess that she exists in some kind of purgatory like space.
I’m also willing to bet that this will be implemented in battle as a limited ‘rewind’ command that allows the player to go back by a turn or turns to undo a bad move without restarting the battle. Didn’t they do something like that in Echoes?
Yep, Mila’s Turnwheel. No doubt they wanted to keep that in for the continuing influx of new players. Development of SOV and TH overlapped, of course, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they just nailed that down as something they’d just do going forward, no need to wait and see how it goes over with people. (I hope we get an achievement for using the rewind for the first time again so I can avoid it again for pointless bragging rights, haha.)
I’d actually be really happy if they simply scrapped casual mode altogether in favour of a variation of the turnwheel. That would be a good compromise.
Or you know they could also have a casual mode since it doesn’t hurt anyone to have it and helps new people get into the series. The more people who play the better off the future of the series is. This elitist attitude is the problem with the community these days. There’s nothing wrong with having a classic and casual mode.
That’s not really how it works though. Casual mode is a really bad way to allow new players to complete the games. It’s designed in a way to brute force new players into having the same outcome as veterans who don’t get any units killed. This is fucked up in many ways, since small failures were always part of the gameplay.
I’ve had this discussion many time prior. Casual mode is not particularly useful, as there are several superior ways to ease newcomers into the series’ gameplay. It encourages and conditions people into using playstyles and strategies which are not effective in classic mode. That’s why it doesn’t really help them “get into the series”.
It’s not a matter of getting people used to the combat when there are people who really only want the story. It’s the same reason games are starting to have an easy or story mode in everything. People just don’t have the time to play an entire game just for story and characters…especially not one like fire emblem where a character dying just means you have to reload (because let’s face even hardcore players are prone to do this) or potentially do so bad that you get to a point you can’t continue on because you made too many bad calls. Many people would call this a waste of time. The idea is to deal with the consequences of bad actions but for many people they just reload. For those people a casual mode simply makes it easier for those people who just want the story/character interactions without getting too frustrated by the gameplay.
You look at this and see casual mode is not being useful and you’re absolutely right when it comes to getting better at the series but let’s face it not everyone wants to or has the time to. Some people are in it for the story (lol), the characters, or the combat but they don’t need to be challenged to still have a good time. The people most likely to play hardcore will try it from the get go and ignore a casual mode anyway. Most of the people who play it on casual mode will never play classic mode to begin with a casual mode is bringing people to purchase the series which again in the long run is only a good thing for the series. Who cares if they are getting good at the game or not when they are assisting in funding the next one.
Good job, you managed to signify exactly why modern FE is shit. If not for the gameplay, there is really nothing to write home about the series as it’s frankly always been fairly poor in the story department. And it’s not only about casual mode, but all the other things that deviate from what makes Fire Emblem what it is. The series is built on lasting consequences, and each choice that you make sticks with you for the remainder of the playthrough since the games have a strict pace and you can’t go back on what you’ve done. You mention resetting if a unit dies, but that only wipes what you did since the last save. Experience from kills matter less when you can grind levels. Item management matters less when you can grind for gold. Units matter less when you can buy legacy units or play on casual. These three resources should always be in the player’s mind when playing a FE game, but modern FE let’s you forget about this since there’s always a way to make up for your mistakes.
It’s not as easy as adding a casual mode and a classic mode and ship out the game. Classic as a whole is damaged when casual exists, as they’re balanced on completely different principles. In older games, it was almost impossible for even the worst of players to get stuck and being unable to progress with the game, since you were always thrown bones on the form of a prepromote who could replace any dead unit, the level curve in general being low enough that you could deploy a lower level unit without having them die right away, or other systems like BEXP or simply early promotions allowing unused units to be brought up. 3DS FE expects you to grind, buy DLC, or in Awakening’s case spend gold to grab characters from other FE games. Heck, Awakening in particular has only like four prepromotes and they’re immediately shit because they can only support Robin. This is not something exclusive to casual mode, it’s rooted in the game regardless of what mode you decide to play at.
It should be clear that the gameplay of FE is never something that will appeal to the mainstream unless it’s gutted like it was in Awakening. Without forward progression, the formula of the series does not work as intended. So no, I don’t really care about new fans bringing in sales to the series if these sales result in broken gameplay of future titles. It says a lot when only one of the last six games was good from a gameplay standpoint.
Yes and in Egyptian mythology death is merely the next step of one’s life and one could petition the gods or trick thenbinto letting you keave the underworld. Byleth may not even be alive in the strictest sense but I guess we’ll see.
And yes Mila’s turnwheel allowed a few steps back once a battle iirc.
I have two concerns:
1) I don’t like the high school aesthetic. But I can live with that.
2) I don’t like how the entire trailer focused on high school life and not the gameplay. We’re out here combing through screenshots that appeared for one second to get our info. To me, this indicates that their priorities are off.
Hoping for the best though. Would like to see more on gameplay ASAP.
I understand the frustration since I want to know more gameplay details too, but the trailer is targeting a wider audience, so it’s focusing on the more broad stuff, like the setting and the three houses.
I expect to see gameplay info in places like Famitsu and the official site. Or maybe in later trailers, nearer to the release date. It was nice when they had a whole video dedicated to Fates’s My Castle.
I understand wanting to appeal to a wider audience. I still feel like they should do that through the gameplay though.
A lot of people play video games for the story and don’t really care about the gameplay. I’ll never understand this mindset, since it ignores the defining aspect of the medium. Nintendo built it’s empire on putting gameplay first. In know it’s IS, but still, I think the mindset is the ideal one.
I think they gave more gameplay than you think. Sure, they didn’t show many battles, but any changes to that will probably want more focus than a passing remark in a trailer. Otherwise there aren’t any changes, in which case there’s not that much interesting stuff to show – fire emblem is a strategy game, with relatively slow gameplay. Fun, yes, but not great trailer material. Instead they showed the troop customisation. It might just be my interpretation, but the “professor levels” – which are essentially weapon and skill levels – seem to be what’s tested for the classes. We saw Edelgard need a C in Axes – this is likely her weapon level. This means we can probably decide which classes our students become. Students will have strengths and weaknesses, but we’re free to ignore those if its necessary for our dream loadout. That sounds like quite an important aspect of gameplay to me…
That would’ve been great and all if they’d shown more of the actual combat. In theory, Awakening is a really deep game with a lot of different options to tailor your army to deal with different types of challenges. That is, until you realise that the dominant strategies are far too dominant, the difficulty modes are too skewed, the map design is too simplistic, pair up was broken, grinding was a thing again, and the progression systems were half baked and made the game feel worse for their inclusion.
That’s why they need to put out a separate trailer soon with 100% focus on the gameplay, so we can see how these in-depth “troop customisations” work in practice.
We’ll probably get two more trailers (a story/character intro trailer), and an in depth gameplay trailer in addition to the Opening cinematic. If they go the previous game routes they’ll probably release a few tiny trailers highlighting new features to the game in more detail as well. It is still quite a ways off.
Or to word it for the even nerdier, WolfBlade, RuneHawk, or MystRaven?
…Probably not Ra, I dislike Claude’s design and as the main character of the group he’s probably forced in battle. I’ll need to see a little more of the game before I decide on Yugi or Kaiba.
You know now that I think about it, the dorms in GX make way more sense than Harry Potter. Cause I know Griffindor and Ravenclaw respectively have red and blue for their colors and Slitherin is green but I can’t remember what color Hufflepuff’s is.
I am probably gonna play them first as well hecause what little we know if them is they are the smallest, they arent a unifued country being a confederation or republic if smaller kingdoms and have green and yellow which is a unique color scheme. In terms of characters it looks like Adrestians are gonna be fun.
In general, I think this bodes well. It’s not like Fates where I was completely off put by a game I should’ve by all right been excited for. The major gripe I have is not the academy setting itself, but what said setting might encompass. Since we’re put in the role of a teacher, it means that we’re put in full control of the student’s development. While this offers a lot of customisation, it also inevitably leads to a grindy form of gameplay where something needs to be gained from everything you do, or it will feel meaningless. It’s for the same reason I disliked the dungeon aspect of SoV, since as to not make the dungeons a waste of time, they need to give out rewards which undermines the resource based gameplay.
Now, the easiest way for IS to circumvent this is through only offering the player a limited amount of time to do all of the student guidance things between each chapter. If there is no limit and you can grind everyone to hell, I’m afraid the game will be beyond saving.
I sense some time management. I also sense a general higher level of difficulty which was also true for the last time they came to “home” consoles. I hope its not AS micromanagey as Persona or Valkyria Chronicles 2 was but there seems to be a lot to occupy our time in any case.
Or it could be idealogically driven translation staff. Which I despise do to their grossly patronizing and overly liberal changes in Fates not limited to changing support conversation (the bread and butter of the series) or optional minigames because they are prudish and patronizing of the ability and maturity if the people buying the game.
Its not really a thing here either its just concentrated in certain areas and those areas are all echo chambers and happen to house much of the cultural businesses.
I somewhat understand your frustration, but the same text is in the Japanese version too. To be honest, I think they should have replaced “form” with “appearance”, because it sounds rather forced.
Something I noticed was in the E3 trailer, Hilda’s battle forecast still displays the usual damage, hit, etc. despite using a bow (at least the games I’ve played), when Byleth attacks her with a sword. In this trailer Bernadetta seems to only be able to attack at 2 range. Of course it could be an alpha build or they display it despite not being able to counter attack, but I think it’s of note.
Me 8 months ago: “I predict you play a lowly tactician/professor from a tiny neutral fief
with a university to kill and/or die for and, because a war *always* has
to break out, a war breaks out, forcing you to chose one of the three
dashing peeps above to the detriment of the other two.”
Yay! I was right!! Mostly, but Mercenary/Professor is just about the coolest thing ever, I’d sport that.
Looks exceedingly awesome and promising. Will Intelligent Systems redeem themselves? We. Shall. See. :3
Tibarn didn’t make it… People were wet about Sturdy Impact, but I really like him and the Tellius games, so I’m salty. The instructions did say you could navigate through the map, but I can understand since I didn’t have clear what to do after that. Godammit, IS, you couldn’t do anything good this anniversary, could you?
Wait Wait Wait. So if I understand correctly we will get a banner with these 4 and then the colors will be randomized it wont be like the Brave heroes where you get to choose your first free unit? I kinda understood when they did it for the free holiday heroes but this feels like you should be screwed because you didn’t get a blue orb and the only one your missing is Azura.
I think it’s worse. I understood that all orbs will be yellow, and the character you get is completely random. So if you summon one of them and you don’t like it, a “screw you” from IS.
Sweet! Free L!Lyn (I think and hope so cause this whole thing would be complete bs and a waste of time if it is random in terms of color). Yes I voted for Regular Lyn, B!Lyn and L!Lyn but thats more cause I wanted those versions of her cause B!Cordelia was always in the way of B!Lyn and regular Lyn and L!Lyn just refuse to pop up (L!Lyn more so than regular Lyn cause of L!Lyn being on the Legendary banners from time to time).
Truthfully I am surprised she actually beat out Surtr and L!Hector but the explanation of not many realizing they can scroll the screen makes sense. Still a wins a win and theres nothing anyone can do about it.
I really think they should give you the colour choice – especially if there is a lack of clarity. Last years’s peoples hero or even a free choice on the brave heroes felt like a much more positive experience whereas as cool as Lyn’s animation is I know if I summon her I’m going to be pretty fed up. When I was choosing I almost went for Bridal Ninian several times though, as she was so near the starting point!
IS did a oopsie? This is the state of this fanbase, they don’t even read anymore. English isn’t even my first or second language and I knew what to do, but hey let’s blame this on IS. 38k voted for VL_Ike, the free unit you get playing the game, IS has to put banners every time you open the game telling you can get a free unit playing the story mode (linking where you have to go and an option to dismiss the message), let’s blame IS, yeah.
As is apparent, there are many who did not know that the ability to move the map around and search for other units. Why? Who knows. Maybe they didn’t bother to read the instructions that show before the search and just assumed what they see is what they get. What is apparent is that IS overlooked the fact that many people don’t know something exists unless it’s put right in their face.
The event designers could have added arrows to the sides of the screen to visibly show that it can be moved. They could have randomised the positions of the Heroes on the map. They could have used a more standard voting method. But they used what they did, and that design flaw’s on them. People’s inability to read instructions, to use some initiative and think “where’s all the other units of this colour?” and maybe at least try moving the map is honestly the biggest offender here. But then again, it is ultimately on the designers to make their product completely idiot-proof.
I think they could have made it clearer, but if anyone watched the direct or heard about hey if you find the askr trio you get double credit, kinda implies you can move around and find them…
The School Setting will make or break this game, just like the story focus ended up breaking fates by being a mess, seems they take cues from echoes in exploration and more open classes. I just want this to be good, fates overhyped and failed to deliver(and was botched on the western release thanks to western neo censorship)
I think the other teachers will be playable not surprising judging by the female attacking the generic enemy could be happening at midgame and would be nice having non-student characters in the fray.
I agree, its possible the other teachers are likely mid to lategame prepromotes to replace anyone that was lost early on especially if they’re doing a iron man challenge.
I figured this was going to be the next banner. After the Lords of Laguz banner introduced beasts in January, and the Binding Blade banner coming in March, it made sense for there to be a Fates banner spaced in between that would give players the beast units that ranked the highest in CYL polls.
Upon actually checking the trailer it turns out they really are Cavalry. I forgot Dragons have that thing going on too. Still, gotta wonder why these two are Cavalry while Nailah is Infantry.
How unfortunate that my most anticipated new Fates characters had to come right after the previous two banners drained me dry. Well, at least this provides some incentive to finally finish the chain challenges I’ve been holding off on for so long.
Whaaaat? It´s good to see a fates banner have more likes on a video~
Does that mean: The more Wall of text, the more popular a Unit instead of 4 or more skills in Basekit?
I swear I completely forgot about those bunnies from Awakening. And they’re losing no time with those beast skills, we already have all that give bonus to other beats. We’ll need some counters soon, like a beast slayer or something.
Um, not sure if this is a mistake or not but I’m looking at the news for this right now and it says Panne is a GHB character not a TT+. Could be a goof up on IS’ part cause I don’t see how she could be a GHB since most of them are either boss enemies or enemies that are recruitable. And Panne was an ally from the start of the chapter she appears in.
430 orbs saved up, and I wouldn’t mind one of Velour or Kinu. I did save for the FE6 banner though, and since this overlaps with that one for one day I’ll hold off until I see what units will appear.
I noticed the crest at the top of the circle of crests looks somewhat like the Exalt’s Brand from Awakening, though not exactly. Perhaps this is a precursor to the Exalt’s Brand? Similarly, there is a crest that looks as if it could be an early version of the Fell Brand and even a crest that resembles the top portion of the special lance Azura wielded in the promotional art/cover of the Special Edition of Fates, albeit, upside down.
This makes me wonder if this game takes place sometime prior to Awakening, but after Fates, Shadow Dragon, and Shadows of Valentia. I am aware that Fates takes place in a different world than Awakening,Shadow Dragon, and Shadows of Valentia, but the Dragon-gates are a thing, and Priam is a descendant of Ike, but he exists in the world of Awakening, so perhaps different characters from various FE titles traveled to a new world and settled there and had children, then after a century or two, we have the events of this game? IDK, just a interesting observation, it’s probably nothing though, I’m likely overthinking this.
I was thinking that the crests represent the dragons seen in past games as that seems a couple resemble the symboles theat reprosent them anouther one i saw (first on the 3rd row) looks like anankos’ eye pattern/ the eye portal from awakening cant decide which.
It is possible that is the case as well, plus, if Fodlan really is the head of a massive dead dragon, then having the crest tie to dragons/manaketes from the series would actually make a lot of sense. Only time will tell. Also, I think the crest that resembles the Fell Brand (fourth on the 4th row) is the same one that is on the cape of the guy with the chain-sword from the first trailer, and might also be tied to the Church of Seiros/Sothis, which could mean, the Church might actually be villainous or have something messed up about their ideals.
Another Ephraim for me… I some how have a +3 Ephraim all from non-focuses. And -Atk Kaden ofc. It would be nice for Velouria to drop, but her BST makes me think otherwise.
I just noticed that there are two crests that have a strong tie to Naga/Tiki. Both of these symbols can be seen on the fourth row.
The first is the first symbol on the fourth row and it nearly perfectly matches the crest on Young Tiki’s tiara, the only difference being the line that goes through the small circle doesn’t pass through the crescent shape in this crest, but the one on Young Tiki’s headpiece passes through both the small circle and the crescent.
The second is the third symbol on the fourth row and it too nearly matches the crest on Tiki’s headpiece, though it is upside down, and lacks the small inner circle.
So it could be possible that the denizens of Fodlan are aware of Naga, which could hint that this game takes place in the same world as Genealogy of the Holy War, Shadow Dragon, Heroes of Light and Shadow, Shadows of Valentia, and Awakening. As to how far from Archeana/Ylisse, Valentia/Valm, Plegia, and Jugdral this Kingdom is, we don’t know. It could also be possible that Fodlan is the new name of Jugdral though, occurring at the same time period as Awakening. Of course, we don’t know for sure.
The FEH story is progressing as expected. I wonder though if he’ll be made into a mythic hero, unlikely but he would make for a nice 2nd OC mythic hero.
FE4 is my favorite game so I’m happy to read about this link to the past. Also, I really would’ve liked to see the fates of the mothers after the Holy War such as Ayra or Silvia; maybe even some of the fathers as well…at least, those who were supposed to survive.
Kaga did published some ‘dream scenarios’ that were old pre-production note, they were based in ‘scenario’ some would survive, other die and so on depending the pairing, that is why genealogy is so amazing so unique the franchise yet introduce what are the franchises mainstays
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s supposedly some cards depicting Elibe characters like the 8 Divine Generals right? I seem to recall there was a Roy card depicting him surrounded by other card or something.
Warhammer does a lot of audio dramas these days. Love it to bits. In Norwegian we call audio drama for “radioteater”. Roughly translates to “Radio theatre”(kind of obviously). I think that’s a fitting description at least .
I’m not sure if anyone else noticed, but the glowing sword the Avatar is wielding against the black beast is definitely shaped like the sword in which the Pontiff of the Church is holding in her scenes.
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t scheduled Fates yet.
I’m thinking they might do it as individual games, with maybe Birthright and Conquest back-to-back (or just as one game…).
Of course, I ended up with free Spd Tactics fodder – the only unit I already owned of the 4. Then I spent 200 of my saved Orbs getting what I actually wanted (Legendary Azura). But I did manage to pick up Fort Def/Res fodder and a +Res Effie, which I’d been looking for, along the way. So, not a complete disappointment.
Also got spooked by my first Silas coming in at 4*.
Tch, lucky you. I wanted Lyn and got Azura instead, a -ATK one at that. This anniversary is absolute crap cause I doubt anyone else has gotten who they actually wanted and got who they didn’t want, not to mention the free 5*s have possible boon/banes on them and aren’t neutral like they honestly should be. And I already ditched Azura in favor of giving Aerobatics to my Ceada cause I didn’t want Azura, she was -ATK anyways (yes I know she’s a dancer but there are times a dancer’s gonna get attacked, in fact the AI makes that priority along with attacking healers, so they need some attack in order to not only fend off their attacker but also ko said attacker and not get koed if they are slow enough to get doubled) and Ceada is paired with foot Regular!Marth so this helps her keep near him for the support boost.
Eh true. Just really wish they hadn’t gone the golden orb route where its impossible to know which one is the color you wanted like with the brave characters. Makes it a lot easier, everyone is happy with who they got and no one’s unhappy about getting the least wanted character (in this case L!Lyn).
Hot damn, managed to get Myrrh, the unit I actually voted for. The game was really kind to me today…
She’s -Atk, but I already missed her three times in the past so I don’t really mind.
I wish they would’ve just given us a choice. It feels like a slap in the face to have us vote for characters and then have the one you get be random. My favorite character won the vote, but I didn’t get her.
I like many Failed to get what I actually wanted which was Azura and I got a Duma which I already had due to his banners free summon I really wish they did give us the option
Not bad at all: a -res +atk Azura. I’m still thinking wether to use her or not, she’s too unfair and I try to not contribute the cancer.
By the way, has anyone else had a glitch with Palne’s GHB? Her art didn’t appear with the dialogue and both the event and map music kept playing. My poor ears.
I got Duma from the Anniversary Banner, I got Adrift Male Corrin from the Voting Gauntlet A banner and I got Innes from the Voting Gauntlet B banner. I cannot complain, despite I already having all 3 heroes. At least I got them with better IVs and I can nullify the banes/flaws.
Are you referring to her individual art shown near the bottom of the article? If you click it and go to “view image” (or right click and choose to open in a new tab or window), you can zoom in to have a better look. You should see that she has the correct number of fingers, but one is behind another.
I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily the point. Strictly speaking, I think the skill works as it does to not make it too strong, and also as a counterpoint to Eckesachs’ effect. On the other hand, it’s also a fact the Roy’s army indeed does consist primarily of humans that gather together in the face of destruction.
It’s because Zephiel’s motivation is to rid the lands of humanity and replace them with dragons because he views humanity as without virtue, a view proven wrong by Roy.
I basically gave up on Legendary Roy being a thing after Eir and Duma because I figured we were just doing Mythics now, so I went in hard for Hot Spring Sakura, hit 6% without seeing her before the Banner shut down, am not going to have that 6% roll over next year when the Banner comes back, which is an issue I have with Seasonal Banners, and then this promptly happened, meaning I have to scramble for Orbs in the hopes that I can get enough to go for it, that a Legendary Banner finally works for me and actually gives me the Featured Hero instead of having to wait four or five more of these before they finally grace me with their presence, and that I don’t get broken by (self-censored) Hrid, because if I get (self-censored) Hrid instead of Roy I might very well need to purchase a new device to play on because I just might break mine.
…So…no, not really.
I’ve got neither Hrid nor Micaiah and the other colours each contain at least two heroes I already have, so I guess I’m sniping reds this time around. Maybe colourless too, since I wouldn’t necessarily mind merges for any of those heroes if they spook.
120 or so Orbs sniping red and all I got was another Gunnthra merge.
Guess I’ll try to get rid of this 10% pity rate then begin saving for his reappearance in late April.
Me too. I mean, I spent 400 orbs and all i got was
Gunnthra
and 2 Micaiahs. And a lot of Selena which is Reposition fodder so it’s no bad but i want Roy so badly
After getting screwed with L!Lyn as my free pull in the 2nd anniversary banner, it’s nice of the game to give me S!Micaiah as my free pull on this banner…especially since she was the character I actually voted for.
Also, how kind of them to give Roy a built in Duel skill…it’s almost like introducing that as a thing was a terrible idea and this should have been the norm to begin with.
Oh man, luck has been so weird for me this month. Got completely surprised by the Valentine banner after depleting all my orbs after the last Legendary banner, but I adore Tellius so I’ve been spending ever orb over there with only a pity-breaking Karla so show up for the effort. And yet, with these last two new banners I’ve gotten Kaden, Keaton, and Legendary Roy spending only 4 orbs total. Sigh, now just have to decide whether to keep trying at the Legendary banner for Michaiah and Hrid, or see if luck turns around with Greil’s Devoted.
I got Roy in my second orb and then, after some other summons, Micaiah paid me a visit. I’m not used to this.
But they still need to fix some things, the game has been too boring lately. Aside from farming for SP and doing the diary AR, there’s nothing else to do for fun.
I’m curious as to whether they’ll keep on making the duel skills. They seemingly discontinued push as the sole representative of that skill ‘push atk/spd’ was only ever released on two units who were released a few months apart. Doesn’t help that the skill is… well, shit.
*sigh* Very nostalgic write-up. I wish I could do the same for Fire Emblem Planet.
Another reason why many Fire Emblem fansites never recovered despite the success of Awakening was that mass social media sites like Twitter and Reddit became much, much bigger. Fansite forums were becoming a thing of the past, and any new traffic they might have gotten was funneled into other social media outlets. Only Serenes Forest seems to have survived.
Oooof those early images takes me back I was here probably less then a month after PoR came out digging for info or looking for the Desert treasure map for whatever game I was playing 😀
Hey, been coming here since I was about 14 or so. I can’t remember if it was spritesheets or galdr/heron font that led me here first. Reading this post brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for being such a constant in the community. <3 Much love.
That´s wonderful~ This site and Fire Emblem.de Sword of Seals (German site) are my main source for informations!
And yes, Cipher cards are soooo detailed here and looks tasty~
Man, I vaguely remember the 2007 layout from back when I was first getting into the series back in late 2008. It’s the 2010 look that really takes me back, though… yeah, the site still looks largely like that, but I think it’s the legacy sidebar, lol! The lack of the WordPress news widget, too, just some lines on the page; the updates are definitely for the better, but I won’t say I don’t miss it at times :P. This site has been a huge boon to me and while I didn’t really engage with the forums/community for a long time (and these days I’m largely a lurker, so as it was…), I hope you know that this site really did keep the fanbase going in the Dark Age. This is still the one place I go when I need to fact-check myself (or figure out wth I’m doing in TearRing Saga, lol).
Kind of hilarious that they reveal Sophia with Apocalypse on pretty much the same day they reveal she’s getting a new weapon refine in Heroes….yet that one isn’t Apocalypse. Huh…
Isn’t this like Faye/s 3rd time showing up in a banner excluding legendary and her original? She such a rare pull…not that I mind too much cause Firesweep Lyns or Hinoka’s are a huge pain in the ass to deal with.
Oh hey, it’s the character no-one knew what to call back in the day. Tate? Thite? Thito? Teeto? Tite? (The Japanese is ティト, for those wondering)
This should put all that discussion to rest, at least. (I know her name was localizaed during the CYL polls, but this is probably the first time it’s been highly publicised)
Why would it be put to rest? I’ll still continue to call her Tate, since that’s the closest translation from her Japanese name. Dropping an entire syllable in order to form Thea is an unnecessary change.
I don’t get why it was ever translated as Tate though…the ティ makes a distinctly “tee” sound, or could be “thee,” but not “tay.” But still, none of that should translate as Thea. Seems they just did to her as they did Gwendolyn.
It was for the sake of making her name more natural sounding through English phonetics and also to: 1. Not give her the name of a certain political leader, 2. Avoid turning it into literally “tit”, and 3. Making sure it makes sense as Tate is an actual name. Also, ティ does not extend the final vowel. The full name is “Tito” and again, that doesn’t work. Granted, a more 1/1 conversion would’ve made her original name be テート, but Tate fits and is not really a stretch by any means.
That’s why I figure a better fan translation would’ve been Thito instead of Tate as it keeps the same ィ from the original and since テ has been associated with the “th” sounds in translations as is the case with the Japan pronunciation of the English word theme as テーマ (te-e-ma). Japanese is a screwy language.
But this aint the first time English localization has changed names, and honestly, Thea’s a good name. It’s the name of a Greek titaness who mothered Helios, Selene, and Eos (the sun, moon, and dawn).
Look, I don’t mind the name Thea. I just prefer Tate because it’s an actual name and something I’ve already connected to the character. Just like how your previous mention of Gwendolyn is someone I’ll always refer to as Wendy.
And if you name a character Thito for western viewers, that character instantly goes in the trash. No one will ever remember that name. I’m all for keeping the name sounding like the katakana spelling, and when you have the name ルトガー, then cool, you know the name is Rutger. But ティト in itself doesn’t really have a proper English equivalent. That’s why I think Tate is a good name since it actually exists in the language
Also, the point of translating is not to give a lingustic lesson to the viewers, but to turn media from one base of viewers into another. Especially translated Japanese is oftenmost just a lot of stuff that the translator made up because languages are not transferable. It’s not entertaining and it doesn’t draw people in.
If you don’t particularly care about who you summon but just want to potentially bulk out your 5* pool, go green with your free pull and ticket summons. Highest 5* chance.
You’ve still collected a fair bit since the RD one, if she’s the only one you want I have no doubts you’ll manage. I spent close to 200 and managed to nab two copies each of Velour and Kinu just recently, so I’m hoping for similar luck once more.
The rate is about 100-120 orbs for a 50% chance at a normal focus hero, so I’d say the odds are slightly in my favor, but not so much that I won’t stress about it. Especially since I like to have some sort of reserve in case of surprises. There are other FE6 characters I like, but Idunn is the only one of this batch I’m really into (Sue and Lugh don’t work out for me on about half my playthroughs and Tate, err, Thea, has never worked out for me, I don’t think.) Kind of bummed I went for the Ike alt though, since Idunn seems to be in that niche.
Yeah, I never pull for seasonals so that’s something that I don’t need to worry about. I was hoping for Perceval though and it’s rather surprising that he’s not in. Personally Tate is probably my favourite FE6 character, so I’m really happy she’s finally here considering the next heroes from this game might be a long way off. With HM bonuses she is really good, which ironically makes her worse on NM.
Sue is a bit of a toss up. I gave her a Roy support in my recent playthrough and it improved her early strength quite a bit. Lugh is nice as well but I usually ditch him for Lilina since it’s easy to train her up in the gaiden chapter after she joins.
In reality it’s probably because units like Jill and Altenna who fill Miledy’s role are more popular and probably will make their way into the game soon.
So I dipped. 570+ orbs gave me: 2 Lugh, 2 Tate, Sue, Idoun, Elincia, Laevatein, Flora, and Zelgius.
I think I fucked up going green in hindsight, I really wanted Sue and while I got one, getting tricked by Lugh who I didn’t even want, twice at that, was the worst. After I pulled Tate twice I decided to snipe red to get more Idoun copies, but it clearly wasn’t to be considering how much off-focus shit I got.
All in all, rather disappointing. But I got about 50k feathers from sending home units, so Tate will be my next +10 project if she drops in rarity.
I’d take that Death Blow fodder though. Right now I have two Lugh in my roster smiling ironically at me for wasting orbs on a colour that has two focus units, and he doesn’t really have particularly good skills at that.
The worst thing is that I already went through this with Eldigan and Aira previously (got three of the former) , and I still didn’t learn lol
Oof yeah, I probably would’ve waited to see Sue again elsewhere, because Lugh doesn’t really seem to offer much unkess you’re really into Gronnserpent.
I’m not really into the “4” skills at this point, as the marginal improvement doesn’t seem too neccessary to me. I guess I’ll save it for the next new unit I get that needs Death Blow. Still, I drained my orbs with only an Adrift Camilla and a Karel to show, and I could very well just send them home
Forging Bonds is interesting for this banner. Is it the first time we’re seeing a “Support” for a antagonist character? We didn’t even get that in Warriors.
Idunn is everything Zephiel should’ve been.
I saw they didn’t demote anyone from the Fates banner (yes, the one with those nice skills), so I sent a message regarding the 5* pool issue. And complaining about how FB must be the worst mode ever. At least tap battles are fun when the rhythm actually follows the melody.
I spent 150 Orbs got my 8%ish streak broken by a Keaton which I didn’t have so wasn’t as horrible as getting say ANOTHER Alm but all I wanted was Idoun and in the same circle I got a Lugh which is undoubtedly dropping in rarity after the banner and then a Linde in a Circle with no reds…. I really want her but the smartest thing to do is wait till she shows up in a mythic or a legendary banner and try to get her there.
“‘In a dim cathedral where light peeks through, a person is standing alone
with their arms spread out. There’s a slight eeriness in their majestic
figure…'” They’re already hinting that the church is evil. -_-
About the boxart for the Switch box, nope Claude’s holding a normal bow. It actually looks like a steel bow judging by the color but that might just be because I’ve been playing Warriors lately and the steel bow is of a blackish color with the part where its held being gold.
I think the very reason they are keeping the song title from us is because of this. Which is good, I like it when there are things we have to infer ourselves when the time comes.
What’s up with the obnoxious dubstep in this song? I loved Lost in Thoughts and Heritors of Arcadia and the all the different arrangements, but this song is ass. It’s a shame since the lyrics are good, it’s just the accompaniment, so hopefully we get a better rendition in game.
Hey Raven, I just wanted to point out that Delthea is also 5 star exclusive like Sonya and also has “worth” for pulling on this banner, unlike Klein and Sophia.
I understand you may have not meant to infer that she is not worth pulling for, just that the line about Sonya is not exclusive to her.
Even without merges, my Delthea (A+R-) is so much stronger now thanks to her refine~
I wait for the days to get pitybroken by her! (please not on a Micaiah Banner!)
I’m wondering about that Roy and Lilina card looks like Roy in a Great Lord class and Lilina in a Sage class. Roy’s attire design kinda resembles to his attire from Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U and Ultimate.
Wow; this song sounds good. From the lyrics, it sounds like a person I talking about a particular moment of peace and joy, and they’re lamenting that it is inevitably going to end, and they can’t even truly enjoy this moment because of something about them or something they’ve done.
One thing I find interesting is the imagery: Curiously, rather than the typical imagery of a storm or a sunset coming to indicate that the good time is running out, the song goes with the edge of dawn; i.e. sunrise to get the same idea across, when dawn is normally used to indicate that good times are coming soon; they’re just on the horizon. It’s interesting. What do you guys think?
More bunnies… They must be the ugliest type of alt, and I hope I’m not forced to pull for the TT. The girl reminds me of Lachesis for some reason, the other one should be Eldigan, then.
I originally thought that the orb decrease was because last month they overcompensated us due to anniversary. But this wasn’t true at all actually. It was January where we were overcompensated (likely due to the New Years stuff).
My guess is in April we will see a new game mode to accompany the new blessing effect from Roy and the new legendary, and that mode will supply more orbs to us.
They used Cats at Play from Radiant Dawn as the music for this. A.k.a that song that only played in one scene at the start of 3-1. Nice to see it get more exposure.
Don’t really care for any of these units, but I got Veronica on my free pull. She’s -SPD/+DEF, so it looks like I have a new sacrifice to the inheritance gods. Hope you guys get the characters you want! Good luck!
Went in with 130 orbs wanting Bruno since its his first appearance and then Veronica if I could. Got Dorcas in a ring with no colorless, then Bruno a short time later then finally gave up after a Diedire (yes I know I spelled that wrong) with 7 orbs left.
A nice detail was Marisa addressing her support with Tana for her reason to be a pegasus knight here. Considering it takes the whole support chain for Tana to break her front, hearing Marisa refer to her as a friend is a really nice development for her character.
They do that with a few people, the only one that comes to mind atm is during the Laguz forging bond events Tibarn speaks of his fellow Laguz Kings and the meeting that occurred during PoR, of Crimea’s history and Elincia
That’s really the best thing about Heroes, these additional interactions that flesh out characters that had little chance of ever seeing a remake anytime soon. At the very least I can appreciate that.
Yeah, the quality of the writing has steadily been increasing somewhat ever since the last third of Book II. It’s one of the game’s really enjoyable aspects, which is a shame since they’re all pretty brief.
Thanks for the update, however brief! I’m getting all too excited/impatient for this one haha. A quick note though: I believe you meant to write “Black Eagles” where you’ve written “Golden Eagles.”
“Golden Eagles” indeed lol anyway even more evidence of a support system which was obvious from the 2nd trailer Gameplay in that one segment but more apparent now only thing is if Dual Strike/Guard will return which I wish since it still has great potential but we’ll see soon enough.
We’ll get back to you on that (well likely not lol). I’m just gonna say for myself no that’s not going to happen no reason to for now 4 games with a My Unit and previous ones can talk fully except in cutscenes(Corrin only saying one thing before the choice and never again after with only the important characters talking to you directly and not back this likely will follow suit here). Also wouldn’t work at all in Supports before saying Persona it work because that cast was smaller while here will have over 30+ characters and that’s not even mentioning the different pairing combination players will make. That’s how I feel about this.
I’ve always skipped out on these spring seasonal banners, but I managed to get Catria on my free pull so fortunately I’ll have a bonus unit for the tempest trial.
Man, I’d trade you any 5* I have for her. I have a knack for only getting characters I don’t really care much for whenever a 5* shows up in the free summon.
Hey, see things in a positive way, at least you got several 5* units.
I spent around 250 orbs to get Marisa and all I got was a Bunny Veronica after reaching a rate of 5.50%…
Yeah, I got a Cliff so my Tana is now a monster with FD/R. But still. It must be my imagination but it feels like whenever I spend money on orbs in this game, I almost never get what I’m aiming for. I bought 140 to shoot for Marisa with and only got other things. It’s always the free orbs that have been the most successful. I’d have taken that Veronica honestly.
It is possible to bypass this by first using QooApp to download the game to your device, and changing your Nintendo Account location to a Country that the game is currently available in (e.g. U.S.A.).
That’s basically what I did when the game was released, since DL wasn’t available in the U.K. until quite recently.
Interesting. While I always expected Yune as a Mythic, I was expecting Yune-possessed Micaiah, in the vein of the Grima!Robins. Also, she sounds way older than I’d pictured her. I always saw her sounding more like Young Tiki or Mae from Echoes.
But I’m glad to see one of my favourite Tellius NPCs get into the game. Looks like this’ll be one of the rare legendary banners I’ll be summoning on.
Glad I didn’t pull for Idunn (I still have some tickets). For some reason, I was expecting Sephiran but, is it right to have a literal deity already in the game?
I like that she is in the game and while I want her I think I will wait till next time when there might be more then one green in there im missing I don’t feel like blowing my stash just to get another Halloween Kagero
I believe the post is wrong, because the Golden Peach Ducky is the real reward for Yune Abyssal. There is a Orb Accessory in the data, but it will probably be for another event.
Took 300 of my 350ish orbs but I got Yune as well as Ophelia, Brave Celica, two Halloween Kagero’s, another Lewyn, another Halloween Mia and another Legendary Lucina
I wanted to laugh, the joke is funny (although I swear people have made this before). But with the recent orb reduction, saturated pools and broken actual units, this feels like showing a 10 score after a man just jumped off a cliff. I know they aren’t mocking us, but feels like it.
The only thing I really want are demotes to some, if not all, first gen characters. Collecting and building my favourite characters into +10 units is about the sole factor I still play this game for.
I won’t be happy unless all 1st gen characters get demoted…including vanilla Hector. They’ve all been powercrept and the 5* pool is far too oversaturated.
I agree on the powercreep factor, though I still think that DC is a rather coveted skill even now that it has a decent amount of competition in the A slot. I wouldn’t oppose it, mind. Giving Idoun DC is something I’ve wanted to do even before she was announced.
While I think all gen 1 5 stars without good inheritance should be demoted, we have to keep in mind that legendary banners have always allowed people to avoid bad pitybreaks and will always continue to do so.
I can’t see all of them being demoted, or else legendary banners will lose value, and those are the games cash cows at this point.
Worst FEH channel of all. “Want a new mode? How about another arena with a gimmick?” “Want 5* exclusives, especially those worthless ones like Luke to be demoted? Not gonna happen, cause fuck you!”
This channel was one giant middle finger to players, and I’m done with this game.
You just had to bring Luke up, didn’t you? His missing portrait bothers me so much because I’ve gotten all the other Alteans around him to 5*LV40 and he stands out like a sore thumb. I don’t particularly like him, but I want him to hurry up and spook me so I can quickly get him caught up to his peers.
Luke doesn’t even appear on rate-up all that often in the first place, which is worse.
What a wasted opportunity – this seems quite misjudged. Such a shame with the summoning pool – they could have just implemented a free summon a day mechanic from the regular pool like Star Ocean or Knights Chronicle and it would feel a bit better. 5* Mist anyone? Why ask for feedback if you are going to ignore it?
“Is this a late April Fools joke?” – wise words from a wise man.
I don’t know how I was dissapointed when I expected nothing, but seems like they fastened up the game’s unavoidable death.
Yeah, it seems like everyone kind of agrees that the changes to the summoning pool were…odd, to put it diplomatically, and more importantly don’t seem at all concerned with addressing the issues people have been having.
I had previously proposed cycling out units for each banner. For instance, any new banner might give you access to a certain group of heroes within the pool. This would encourage people to pull on banners they might not if, in addition to focus heroes, a banner had a higher chance of yielding Kleins or Reysons, for example. This still seems like a better solution. Of course, some units just need to have their rarity reduced as well.
I’m still waiting for the pvp against people in your friend register…
This is a bit disappointing, but I still don’t get why people are saying they are killing themselves (unless its about orb reduction than yeah that wasn’t smart)
I’ve seen people try to reason that they can still show up in focuses down the line, but honestly I don’t think that’ll happen. Could they? Yes. Will they? Probably not.
Most of the 1st gen characters don’t have a skill that are worthwhile for a focus. Linde is good, but she has no worthwhile skills and they all exist on a dozen other 3/4* heroes. Luke’s got Panic Ploy, but he’s yet to show up in a single focus since his introduction…I highly doubt that’ll change now.
Also as far as still showing up as pity breakers in non-new/special banners goes…is that suppose to make me feel better? I only ever pull on those banners when there is a specific hero I want (like the newest on with Ishtar). I’m still going to get upset by bad pity breakers on those so…issue hasn’t even been fixed.
I commend those who try to take a positive outlook on things, but this shouldn’t be one of those times. FEH’s drip feed content is frustrating as is, but when it comes to big changes, this was suppose to be it and it was underwhelming. This is a bad precedence being set.
Even more confusing due to the other female character from Gallia being Lyre. If I had to wager a guess, he’s probably referring to Ilyana, because while her hometown is not explicitly stated, Gallia is where she’s recruited. Her Japanese name is also イレース (Ireesu), which can look something like Alicia if you butcher it enough.
Not gonna lie, Ilyana would be great cause I like her as a unit in both PoR and RD mainly cause she actually gains strength to wield those heavy tomes with ease since strength is pretty much the con of those two games, something Soren really lacks in. Her JP name doesn’t look anywhere close to Alicia to be honest but it would not surprise me if it got translated to Alicia for whatever reason.
Well this is an unexpected but very welcome banner. About time they started focusing on other games rather than just Fates and Awakening. And Ranulf who is my favorite of the Beast Tribe characters finally in the game and I’m glad for that. Hopefully they’ve done him and the others justice, especially Caineghis cause he’s their king so he deffinitely should be extremely powerful.
And from their PoR selves that I can remember is that Lethe was super fast but wasn’t exactly tanky or strong, Mordecai was powerful, very tanky on the physical side and extremely slow and Ranulf is like Lethe but way stronger and slightly more tanky but still not so as Mordecai.
I think I’m gonna go after all four, though Ranulf is the one I want most.
IS added a polemic pool updapte that guarantees decent pity breakers in new banners but doesn’t fix most of the problems it has. Now they release a banner with some of the most memorable characters of Tellius. Interesting maneuver.
If Haar is trash I quit the game. You can’t do things like that to God.
Oh dear, even now I have to struggle to deal with it. I hope he gets the Naesala treatment. We should create our own archetypes for Heroes, like if a unit that should be great but it’s really bad, it’s a Seth/Titania. Or an Eldigan when a unit is on a banner just to prevent you from getting a better character.
Going to end up whaling for Caineghis and Ranulf at this rate… don’t think my current orbs will be enough. I hope, at least, that the banner sticks around as long as Idunn’s. Also psyched about the free Haar, though that probably means he won’t be too good
I’m not really sure what a good defensive flier even looks like in this game without some skill that currently doesn’t exist. I think there’s no way Haar could be good because of that (which is why I have no hope for a potential Travant and why my Minerva warms my bench), even if he weren’t a GHB reward.
Sumia and summer Innes both work extremely well as defensive fliers for me.
Myrrh and young summer Tiki as well I suppose. Also girl Grima to a certain extent.
Yeah, I get a lot out of girl Grima, but I feel like she kind of proves my point. She has good def and res, plus Dragonskin to remove her bow weakness and adaptive damage to compensate for the lower attack she has from having decent mixed bulk. Myrrh is kind of similar, in that her skills compensate for holes in her stat spread.
How does Innes do? Doesn’t he have really low res? And wouldn’t archers still one-round him? I guess it’d have to be a Brave Bow, since he is pretty fast and archers aren’t. Haar is kind of more in the Michalis archetype (and he turned out to be a worse Cherche, who already had Gerome…), though in Radiant Dawn, he’s kind of good at everything
I see your point, though with those mixed defenses Myrrh would be pretty tanky even without Great Flame. Although of course that helps her out a lot.
The recent legendary banner had me accidentally +2 him, but even before that he’s been on my flier team longterm now. He does brilliantly. Archers are a problem for every flier who’s not girl Grima, but his high defense and speed mean he got the Iote’s Shield seal from me, dedicated archer baiting flier on the team. Technically he prefers player phase because of Beach Banner’s bonus, but in practice he does enemy phase just fine, especially since I usually fully buff my fliers and have ally support. His base res is 23 now, which isn’t good but not completely debilitating either, especially paired with the 48HP. At 44 base speed there’s not a lot that can double him.
In an ideal situation in enemy phase fully buffed and with ally support a dragon would be going against 31 res. At the mentioned 48HP that’s more than enough to take a single hit. In player phase it could be 33 if you’re initiating on a dragon or mage with CC.
With 37 base def and his speed and HP he can pretty much take a single hit from a fair number of archers too, especially when buffed/with support, but with the seal he barely takes any damage. So on a flier team he was the best candidate to deal with archers when necessary in EP.
Yeah, obviously Iote’s Shield alleviates the flier weakness altogether. My Raven Spring Camilla still has that, but I guess I can rotate out as necessary. There is obviously some opportunity cost there though. My issue is, in the Infernal GHB for Haar, I one rounded him with an unbuffed Kinshinoka with 49 atk. I can definitely see how Innes can be tanky, but he’s really fast, and doesn’t have DC, which is obviously a good thing for tanks, especially since my primary concern is those Infernal legendary hero battles and the like with one million reinforcements. I’m not sure what you’re using Innes for though. My flier team, and the only one that allows me to handle those difficulty modes, is Elincia, Kinshinoka, Airzura, and Eir. So very different style. I’m not sure it’s even possible to tank those modes honestly.
Thinking about it, I think the speed is the biggest difference. Without it, most archers and mages will punch through tanky Wyverns (even Laegjarn isn’t too sturdy). Gerome and Cherche have made me uncomfortable for that reason. I don’t really know what to do with Haar, since he’s in their archetype.
I actually cleared all of Haar’s battles with the fliers mentioned above on first try, except I had L!Azura along instead of regular Airzura, who has maxed her HM. Slightly less effective on the whole, but Summer Tana obviously had a very easy time with Haar. I think this was one of the easiest GHBs.
Innes is indeed really fast. Ah yes, DC. I guess I could try building a flier team around L!Ryoma. Maybe with Yune, for laughs. But I like my current fliers, they work well. I use Innes for anything that comes up using fliers, mixed phase all the way.
I haven’t bothered with all of those legendary hero battles on Infernal, sometimes just couldn’t be bothered after a few tries. I know, I give up too easy. But it just wasn’t any fun.
Generally though I would rather bring a debuff team to those battles. So I’d bring Hrid, bunny Catria, brave Veronica and Gunnthra. Or the original wind team if it’s wind season.
Eir is great, but I’ve not yet been able to use Kinshinoka well.
Yes, the speed makes all the difference. He’s one of my fastest units overall. But even my slowest flier on that team has 38 spd unbuffed. Speed, the great defensive stat.
Laegjarn’s pretty fast too, but her res is bad.
Cherche is a hit and run player phase only unit. I probably won’t be using Haar. Unlike you I’m not attached to the Tellius games so it’s not really anything to me. I didn’t pull for any of the recent Tellius units (except Yune). You probably did. Any luck?
They’ve been mercifully making the GHBs on the easier end, compared to the LHBs. I recently pulled my L!Azura, and I shockingly haven’t gotten a lot of use out of her so far, but I also mean I just pulled her in the last banner.
If the fliers work for you, then by all means stick with them. I’m just disappointed I don’t really see any niche for Haar, and I’m a little surprised they did this to him, since he’s a huge fan favorite and maybe the “best” unit in Radiant Dawn. He was also on my short list of heroes I’d been hoping for a shot at. I kind of took for granted that they might make him unique after making Naesala awesome (which I’m eternally grateful for).
I’m sure you could beat them if you put a bit more time into them, but they are definitely not fun. I’ve had to let the last couple sit for a few days because I was banging my head against a wall. I may have mentioned that my Kinshinoka runs a Brave Bow. She’s also +atk and has a merge. Almost certainly the MVP of my entire barracks. I love Eir. Mine has the atk/spd bond seal, so she can grab a ludicrous +13 atk/spd not counting flier buffs, and Sparkling Boost really helps with Duma
I’ve been very lucky. I have all of them. Although, it took about 700 orbs and some absurdly good luck on free summon ticket pulls (I have 26 orbs to my name now, but didn’t have to whale) and Tibarn, Nailah, Lethe, and Ranulf are -spd. Yune is the only one I don’t have, but I also didn’t try for her. Reyson came recently as a very lucky 4* free pull. And, not a Tellius unit, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention Idunn. She’s -atk, unfortunately, but she was also on my short list of wanted units and never expected to see her, much less in between two Tellius banners. Regardless I’m very happy to have her.
I haven’t been using her that much yet either. For fliers Airzura with her native Hone fliers is just more convenient.
Naesala, Panne and a random Kaden are all the beasts I have.
I did try a little bit for the bird Laguz because I always thought they were really cool but had bad luck and gave up early. Same with Idunn, I did try a few times, and I came away with some 5*s, just none of the focus units.
Mine’s +atk too, -res and has her original bow. I’ve used her on occassion in AA or Squad Assault, since her prf bow can be useful. But I’ve not found a team for her. Had her a long time, she was a lucky pull on her first banner.
Not sure who my MVP is these days, Raven’s not quite as good as he used to be though still very good. I guess Inigo is as useful as ever, and Fjorm’s +4 now and still really useful. I’ve also had fun using Hrid a lot and L!Roy has probably permanently replaced L!Ike on my arena team. Always useful to have an anti dragon unit around.
Eir’s permanently on the AR team. Mine’s +spd and +1.
No luck getting a 4* Reyson here. My Yune’s +res -spd and I gave her Desperation. Using her that way kind of feels like trolling, but it’s fun.
Sounds like good luck on your side for sure.
I agree. I guess with atk tactics/prayer wheel, she’s supposed to be run with mixed teams, but I’m not great at assembling those.
Pretty much all the beasts are at least decent, though they kind of have to be run in specialized teams. I guess you could argue my birds are my flying team right now, but they’re too squishy to survive PvE encounters at the highest levels. Almost seems like they were made for Aether Raids (I take back everything I said about Aether Raids. They’re awful). I actually run fliers in AR too. Only team I can do okay with. I’ve found all my Raven tome users have been powercrept. They don’t really survive Reinhardts any more, though your Inigo is obviously merged.
Yeah, like I said, very lucky. Although, I think Tibarn, Nailah, Idunn, Lethe, and Ranulf came on free summon tickets. And while I’ve had incredible luck on this banner (seven 5* in 150 orbs, including the four focus), I actually didn’t pull anything else really trying for the birds and Idunn, so that was very stressful
I’ve used her in the training tower. It’s usually easy to throw together a mixed team for that, especially when bringing valor skills.
Yeah, I’ve just not had much luck getting any.
AR is indeed awful. I’ve made it to Tier 20 now, don’t think I’ll ever get to 21. I’m running a weird team of Inigo(+4), Hrid(+1), Eir (+1), Fjorm(+4) and NY Laevatein (standard razzle dazzle + savage blow) with switching things out depending on the bonus. Half the time it works ok, then it doesn’t. I’ve tried running a largely armor dragon team on anima season but I find I’m either no good at using them or and this I believe is a big factor, EP oriented teams are shit for AR offense. Basically I didn’t put that much thought into it and will continue on that path.
Yeah, Inigo still usually survives, but he’s cutting it close these days.
I’ve spent a few orbs on the legendary banners, but not much. Got spring Xander as a free summon. On Idunn’s banner I got spooked by Leif, horsie Chrom and Celica. And on the new bunny banner by brave Celica and Lewyn, ironically while the legendary banner with both of them was still active, and another horsie Chrom. I did want some of the bunnies, I just think they’re fun? Did get Bruno, and also Veronica, but originally I was trying for Palla mostly.
Yeah, but I mean, I can solo the training tower with some units by this point, unless you mean for leveling units, in which case yeah, especially since most of my dancers and healers have their HM maxed. I could probably use a new healer…
I just made tier 20 this past week, and it will be all I can do not to slide back down. I’m running Spring Corrin, Eir, Kinshinoka, Airzura, and Aversa, regardless of season. I think Aversa’s pretty essential because of her tome’s debuff. I’ve had the same issues though. I definitely think you’re right about enemy phase teams in AR. And also armor. I have Duma, but I can’t seem to make him work. Though Idunn would be the only other dragon I’d have.
I pulled another Spring Alfonse as a free pull. I enjoy the art, but I’m like “what am I going to do with you?” I don’t use cavalry at all anymore. I know I got my streak broken by Brave Celica when going for Idunn. I don’t exactly remember what if anything got me during the first Tellius banner. I think I pulled the red tome Camilla there, which was a huge bummer, and maybe also Leif as well. They don’t have any good skills, but I turned them into combat manuals out of spite.
Two for four isn’t bad, and at least Lewyn is pretty potent. I also really liked Palla, and honestly the art of everyone in that banner (we won’t speak of Loki), but I knew I wouldn’t use them if I pulled them. My barracks is bloated as it is.
I meant for leveling, and yes, rotating out healers and dancers for that because of HM. Plus, with a mixed team, Atk Tactics + Prayer Wheel is very convenient for buffing units that you’re training.
Same as me, though I wouldn’t worry too much about sliding back down. You only have to balance out defense losses after all, for that. I’ve never even trained Aversa. And this season I’m running Yune instead of Eir. The top down structure of the AR maps is good for her.
Yeah, my defense map is currently full of armor dragons, which I feel a little bad about, but at least I’m not pulling any bs like isolating dragons in corners behind tons of buildings/decorations. That just feels scammy…
Duma, Halloween Myrrh, winter Fae and legendary Tiki on defense at this moment. With Axura and legendary Lucina because Future Vision is hard to predict.
Well you know mine is pulling duty on the fire horse defense oriented team, but it’s very niche. There’s not much call for him otherwise. I mainly use those horses now if I use cavalry or the mentioned debuff team of Hrid + Gunnthra with Catria and Veronica, they make short work of most things.
That Lewyn will probably end up as +1 for my -atk one or as skill fodder, I haven’t decided yet. It was my first brave Celica so that was nice, even at -atk.
Palla is very cute, Loki wasn’t on the banner so we shall not mention her. While we’re not mentioning her, somehow the costume was magically terrible but not worse than the original while the anatomy got worse…
Bruno matches Alfonse, which I thought was funny, they can be spring festival bunny friends now, reunited at last. His damaged art is beyond ridiculous though.
I don’t really understand how the defense scoring works. The most you can lose is one full battle’s worth of points, but your team will usually see enough fights that you’ll lose one eventually. So I don’t really know how to even slow the loss of points, which makes me wonder why it’s even worth investing in defense. That said, I’m a huge troll. I have Brave Lyn, Reinhardt, and Veronica in a narrow corridor and Summer Micaiah and Legendary Lucina next to them. Plus, Aversa is a walled off corner applying mass panic. I’ve seen Lucina fly across the map to get some kills I feel bad about…
I think there are still a lot of good horses, but I don’t find the extra move compensates for the terrain vulnerabilities and lower BST in this meta. I never got Hrid though.
I don’t like Lewyn really so I’d guide him off in a heartbeat. I’d probably give Odd Atk Wave to Nino, so that she self buffs every turn (I pulled and merged an Ishtar like one day before that refine went live. I’m still a bit bitter). But there’s obviously so much you can do with his skills, like Special Spiral Ophelia.
Palla is very cute, and Marisa is very cute (as an aside, this Tellius banner has three men. That’s wild). I hadn’t seen Bruno’s damaged art. That’s hilarious. I don’t know about Loki’s anatomy being worse, but I don’t what’s going on with that…would we call it a leotard? It’s a shame too because I like the art style
The reset is at a different hour than FEH in general, but you lose points (or not) for the first defense battle that “day” (20h). And in anima season for example having Duma + an anima blessed unit or more on the defense team will reduce the losses, and also legendaries in the right season if they are in addition to mythic in the right season. The other day I lost 5 lift because of Duma, Myrrh and Fae having anima blessings, legendary Lucina and having defeated 3 enemies. Max loss as I can see right now is -80. Each enemy you defeat reduces that by 20. Duma unmerged + 2 blessed allies + L!Lucina = another 15 reduction. If you succeed for whatever reason you don’t lose any lift.
Does that help? I saw the actual formulas somewhere. It changes if you have merges on the mythic heroes and if you have more than one from the correct season(s) deployed.
In offense, always bring a bonus unit -> immediate +20 score. So simply offsetting defense losses isn’t too hard when you use a bonus unit always in offense. Even if you can’t prevent defense losses, you get to fight more offense than defense, so at a max 80 loss per 20h you can mitigate that and not slip down a tier again.
Leveling up your fortress (D) also helps massively with not losing defense too often/without any kills.
I feel like I may have encountered your team but those aren’t the units that usually give me trouble. Inigo and Fjorm deal with the majority of that easily without anyone else even involved. I mean Inigo has been meant to counter both Lyn and Reinhardt from the beginning and it’s not like Veronica does much damage to him either. The dancer and Lucina are more of an issue. (and the fact that bowbreaker only works for colorless bows)
Horses are massively dependent on what maps you use them on, but that debuffing team made the last TT+ so very trivial. Hrid is awesome. I had +def, then more by chance than design got +atk on the latest banner he was on and merged to that. Just lovely. (and now soot free)
I will use a Loki to do just that, yuck Loki. Special Spiral is much more valuable, but I don’t have Ophelia.
Yeah, that does help (thanks!). I’ve been pretty stingy with my blessings. I probably should use bonus heroes more, but I find it just leaves me with a team that is less optimized. So I’m not sure how much I actually save that way.
My fortress (D) is level 4, which definitely helps, though that’s only because I accidentally leveled instead of my offense one…
There are a lot of teams like mine, yeah. You don’t see a lot of dedicated green counters anymore, so I think a lot of people struggle. Plus, Aversa’s debuff is always active.
Yeah, the problem is you don’t really have a say in the map, where fliers don’t care (they trivialize Duma Infernal, for instance, because the game apparently didn’t expect you to fly over the swamp.
I forgot Loki had it too. I’m envious. I really want that Nino build
You’re welcome.
The bonus heroes get an atk/def bonus to their stats and that extra 20 points is just a lot. So in light season if I bring Eir+1 and a light blessed hero and a bonus hero -> 121 lift per perfect win. Granted it’s not always easy to find a bonus hero to fit with the rest but it’s usually worth it imo.
Mine’s 3 I think, my offense is 4.
Dedicated green counters? Do you mean counter units which happen to be green or units which counter other green units?
Aversa is just annoying for sure.
Well, if we’re not just talking arena or AR then you usually know what map you’re going into.
But I’ve also used fliers of course on maps that make it difficult for others. Or sometimes on wood maps, armors with armor march because they treat woods as a normal field. (which is how I somehow still lure some units into a trap on my AR defense map… ) (Yune trivializes dealing with Duma in AR once in desperation range… got her set up with DB, Desperation and Brazen Atk/Res seal, she hits so hard once she get into desperation range, and Glacies then hits for 40 additional damage)
Despite Nino still killing basically anything I haven’t been using her as much lately. Should just +10 her already, lord knows I have the feathers. You reached your 880k yet?
Speaking of feathers… the new voting gauntlet changes have made it much more bothersome for me to get good amounts of feathers from a gauntlet…
I think I’m at like 9500, but I also haven’t really touched the mode. I don’t enjoy it, and honestly, it’s not like I’m going to he using the grails or the flowers really.
Yeah, I meant the Gronnraven users and such. I don’t see them much really. I’m primarily concerned with the more difficult PvE content. Anything that gets me orbs really. My problem is I find it hard to invest in a cavalry team that might be unusuable on some maps.
I don’t use Nino too much either, but I’m still a fan. I did get my feathers and nearly maxed a Nowi. But I’m not sure now who I want to merge, so I’m just sitting on them mostly.
The general idea of the Gauntlet is to sit on your hours until a big bonus and unload your hours and feathers all at once. Easier said than none, but better that it’s not time locked, I think
I enjoy it more than AA and a couple other modes, doing 1-2 battles a day is alright. But it’s not great.
Grails… it’s a hard choice, but I have been considering Arvis, mostly since I actually use him.
I don’t know if I’d ever make up my mind and pick a unit to invest in with the flowers.
No grails for Naesala for you? Or Lyon?
Inigo’s just convenient with his triple utility. But I’ve also not seen many TA Ravens anymore. I saw a brave Lyn with Cancel Affinity though. That was pretty uncommon.
Cavalry doesn’t need that much investment when you’ve been playing from the start like we have. You should just have basically all you need already anyway, but well, it’s not like any particular thing is actually “necessary”.
I did some of the older chain challenges recently, and being lazy and unconcerned with HM I just brought Nino, Inigo, Fjorm and Marth. That still deals with just about anything.
I’m sitting on 634k feathers atm and not sure what to do with them. All the units I like using enough to 5* +10 and have the resources for are green and I don’t need another green.
Yeah, I got that but it’s much harder to than before, imo. More down to luck being awake for the hours necessary to max reward. Maybe it’s better in your timezone.
I think it’s just about my least favorite thing. There are some lineups that feel impossible.
My problem with grails is basically like my one with feathers: opportunity cost. There are a lot of units for each I could merge, but team construction and usage is important too. Like, I love Naesala, but he wouldn’t fit with other team constructions (unless I went Tiki-Nowi-Fae, I guess), and it takes 2200 grails to get enough for +10, and then the feathers. I thinking of just saving them for skill fodder. The TT Camilla gives us free Hone Fliers now, for instance, and Naesala gives free Swift Sparrow.
I just find cavalry has been powercrept a bit. There are a lot of units they can’t kill now, except Reinhardt. Feels like he can kill anything still.
I should do the chain challenges, but they annoy me. I probably will once I hit the stamina pot cap, which will be soon.
I’m not sure yet. I do know I only hut a big bonus like once and still got a pretty good score. Otherwise I’ve been forgetting. But it did always seem that it was easier in my timezone. I’d argue it could be better for you now, since the bonuses don’t have to be backloaded.
Which would be another mark in favor of Arvis for me, since he’s already part of a functional team. But then I’d hardly ever use him for arena, and that’s pretty much the only place you really need a 5*+10. But I’d only need another 7, so I could actually do that right now if I wanted, I have more than 1750 grails.
Skill fodder is a good point with those two skills.
I guess I just enjoy the two older Nifl siblings too much. And horses.
They annoy me too. But there are so many orbs and feathers there… And I needed something to do on the side while watching something not quite interesting enough to pay full attention to. So some chain challenges got done.
The new system doesn’t change anything as far as time zone convenience goes. The bonus multiplier still increases the closer it gets to the end and you still need to hit an hour in which your team is weaker. It’s harder to place flags because you can’t if you don’t have hours left and those you can’t recharge other than by waiting. So overall you need to be on the lookout for good opportunities more often.
I did alright last time, but I still feel that it’s much more bothersome for me than before to get a good score.
Yeah, Arena’s the thing I guess, and like, I’m pretty content to just bounce between 18 and 19 by this point. I’d like to think the merges would help with other PvE content, but probably not.
I wanted a Hrid, but never got one. Now that cat beasts are a thing though, maybe I’ll be into Cavalry again. I love Lethe so far.
I believe the bonuses can oscillate a bit more, but it’s probably true that bonuses are bigger when you’re down. Still, you don’t need as large of a bonus because the multiplier has increased. It will be true that you’ll have to check it more, I guess.
Thanks to Yune I’m probably going to 20 again this week for the first time in a long time.
Of course 5*+10 makes other things easier too on account of the extra stats, but I don’t think it’s undoable without.
Fortunately the Nifl siblings seem to like being summoned by me. Except Ylgr, I never tried.
The kitsune have cavalry range as well. Now if only they were all beast effective like in Fates…
There are a lot more factors to take into consideration so it doesn’t feel like a fix, it just feels like you need to jump through even more hoops to get anything out of it.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s that hard. I’m just thinking the reward isn’t too great.
True, and really, there’s only one more cat anyway, Lethe’s sister Lyre, who isn’t really that important. So it looks cavalry beasts would have to be Lethe, Selkie, Kaden, and Ranulf. Infantry beasts are the wolves, tigers, taguel, and wolfskin, and then there are the armors, who I guess will be lions, Skrimir and Giffca. Beyond that, we’re pretty much done with Laguz…except for the dragons. Not not really enough for a pull team anyway. Ah well, at least the birds are a complete set, and double dancers is ridiculous.
Yeah, I wouldn’t call it a fix either. I think they were trying to break the pattern of everyone saving up until the end and also a really confusing multiplier mechanic. So a fix in that sense, I guess
Really? Guess so. I can’t get my head around that. I’ve lost Lethe and Ranulf to anti-cavalry weapons during training because I wasn’t expecting the additional damage.
There are yeah, but they’re not really major characters and I’m not sure if we’ll see them in the game. There are two more hawks, two ravens, and a heron. I bet we’ll get the heron. He, Rafiel is Reyson and Leanne’s older brother and Nailah’s partner, which is probably one of the coolest romantic relationships I’ve ever seen.
Kinda crying, because I want Ranulf more than anything, but I don’t have any orbs left after the Yune banner ate them all (with no luck to even show for it…). Glad at least to get the first summon tickets, hopefully I’ll have the same luck from those I got from the Fates Beast banner with free summons.
I keep reading all the notifications back, but I’m still not sure why they think I’d be invested in Aether Resorts. I’m also not completely sure what the point of pair ups is, as I can’t see why one would need them for the modes in which they are available
After my crusade for Marisa ended with only four copies of her, game decided to let me have a Lethe for free. I honestly like Lyre more but it might yet be a long way off until she comes.
Yeah, I don’t really see Lyre being a thing anytime soon unless IS suddenly goes into a frenzy with introducing Laguz units. It’s unlikely another Gallia banner will follow so soon after this, and Lyre herself is rather insignificant in RD compared to a whole bunch of other Laguz who haven’t made their appearances yet.
My personal guess is that if she ever appears, it’ll be on a banner along other RD Laguz like Kyza or Vika.
Yeah, I’m inclined to agree, which makes me think I’ll be waiting for Skrimir for a long time. It’s also weird that Caineghis came first because the laws of gacha powercreep would suggest that Skrimir wiillbe much stronger when he’s finally released, which of course would not be an accurate representation of their abilities in Radiant Dawn.
The thing is, all Lions will be armored and therefore have innate DC. Which will make them all pretty good. It’s what they do with the stat spreads that matters then.
My guess will be Skrimir is summonable and has high Atk and Spd with low res, akin to GD Ike. Giffca may be free much further down the line (thinking GHB or TT unit) and have a more balanced, and therefore worse, statspread between the two.
And the other two may be colored, which innately will make them different and potentially worse than Caineghis.
This is fair. I was just thinking how in Radiant Dawn the Lions have basically similar spreads. I think it is more likely that Skrimir would have a color to him, especially since you can’t really run Caineghis comfortably with the other Laguz we have.
Free summon was bubkis, First orb summon was Lethe, got Mordecai with the last of the 4 free summons and got Ranulf within 20 orbs…… I reallllllly want Caineghis to complete the set and there is NO chance of him becoming a 4 star unit. (My money is on Mordecai)
Got Maribelle from the free summon. 120 ish orbs got me Caineghis and Ranulf the two I wanted the most. I’m going to save up and hope for the other two as well.
I consider Dragalia Lost a great game. They made a lot of changes already that made the game way more enjoyable than when it was released. Removing the Wrymprints from the summoning pool is really welcomed, and we will be able to create these Wrymprints using one of the games currency. The co-op multiplayer is also fun.
About the Collab, I expect the Askr Trio in the game, but I would like to see characters like Marth and Robin in the game too.
It’s nice to finally get SoV alts not named Celica. The lightly dressed armours strike again, though at least this time they have the slightly plausible excuse of being weighed down by their picnic equipment.
Looks like Flora will be the star for me, because dagger armour is a pretty unique combination. It’s unfortunate that I’m still reeling from Gallia and the Spring banners.
Eh, this is an ok banner though more Fates characters are really disappointing despite the sisters not having any previous alts. Think I’ll gun for Genny (mainly for that Wrathful Staff to slap on my other healers) and Lukas mostly but if I get either of the twins (or both) then thats fine too since they have the only weapons capable of dealing with beast characters at the moment.
I really love this art, and also Genny and Lukas. That said, I’m not sure if I want to open the can of worms that is “Fire Emblem characters dressed like people in the real world” alts
Genny’s art is very cute with the deer. Reminds me I’m looking forward to seeing the deer in Nara again.
This whole banner feels completely out of nowhere though, in every way.
But Felicia’s attacking animation looking like she’s about to spill her pot’s contents on someone is admittedly pretty funny.
Very cute! Shame I spent all my orbs trying to get Mufasa. I’m actually looking forward to Leo – for all the negative things IS have been up to most of the recent TT+ units have been at the worst good fun and at the best pretty interesting. I have even come to appreciate bathtub Camilla!
I remember the Path of Radiance site being pretty bad, it listed the BK’s class as Paladin and Ashanard’s as Lord. But the Sacred Stones one… didn’t it have voice-over narration describing each of the nations? I always thought that was cool. So I’d agree Sacred Stones got the best official site.
Can’t believe even the official FE7 site used the “trust no-one” tagline.
The Awakening background information was really interesting, revealing a few things never touched on in-game, like how Gangrel knew Aversa was a double agent all along, a scene with Basilio and Olivia that occurred shortly before Chapter 10, as well as Lon’qu and Basilio observing “Marth’s” fight in the arena. One thing I feel doesn’t get a lot of attention though is a mini-walkthrough for the first 11 chapters of Awakening, hosted by Anna and, bizarrely enough, Havetti, the generic pirate boss of PoR’s Chapter 3. I haven’t found any translations of this online, so if anyone can find the original Japanese, please send it to me as I’d be interested in translating it.
Still didn’t have a Faye after all this time. Just never had the luck so decided to try for her so spent my Orbs annnnnnnd got Genny… because of course XD
Finally some new info. Nintendo keeping dark about a new game honestly isn’t normal, both Fates and SoV were having info spat out almost monthly (or was it weekly?) till their respective releases (Awakening too most likely but I wasn’t aware of it as much as the other two).
It is Senshi, which is traditionally translated as Fighter. However the Japanese name can also mean Warrior, but Fire Emblem has a different name (Yūshi) to express that. Hope that makes sense.
There goes the hopes of Skyrending Pulse replacing casual mode altogether. It would’ve been a good compromise in the sense that players can undo certain key mistakes without butchering the entire gameplay progression like casual does.
4 mov Byleth when classed as Myrmidon..? That’s certainly new. I think it looks very likely that movement range will be lower in this game?
The map shows TEN units? That’s pretty interesting! From what we know, each house has 8 characters, 9 with Byleth. I wonder who could be the tenth..? It’s level 5 Byleth so it’s still early.
It’s interesting how there’s no mount, flying or armored class existing in the first promotion. I hope this won’t make the early game too samey; it’s sure to branch out later on beyond just weapon types (like the first promotion) and it’s extremely likely we’ll get three promotion tiers in this game (we saw some of the 2nd tiers in the Nintendo direct trailer and they didn’t look like “final” tiers), but the available classes early feels very limited.
Pretty sure you are spot on with who is who in the class listing; Leonie is the only one I’m not 100% confident with, but she seems likely.
The map showin’ 10 units… that’s kinda strange. I just want to know if we’ll have Beast Units. It seems unlikely, ’cause the students are the only playable characters (at least right now). But… I’ll be waiting more news.
Not sure what to think about the comeback of the Rewind System. I hope it’s not as generous as it was in Echoes. And hopefully, they balanced the difficulty accordingly this time. I’m more open to features like Rewind if they make the game at least harder. Echoes was too easy and putting Milas Wheel on top of that was a bit of an overkill. Also, not a fan of lunatic not being there in the beginning.
Can’t play… this game is not available where I live. It has been more than 6 months since launch and they still have this region issue. Guess they need to learn something from IS, because Fe heroes is available almost worldwide since day 1.
Hm… Dragalia Lost is not available in my country’s Google Play Store too, but I downloaded the app and installed the game, and it works perfectly! I just need to re-download the app in each version update, but this isn’t a problem for me.
Dragalia Lost doesn’t appear in “My Apps and Game”.
Here’s a example: Every time we have a game update and I try to start the game, a notification appears saying that a new update is now available and ask me if I want to update the game now. If I click “yes”, the game will open the Dragalia Lost page on Play Store, and in this page says “Dragalia Lost is not available in your region”, so it don’t allow me to update the game through Play Store.
Nope, because when I click to download QooApp on my iPad, it automatically goes to the App Store page to donwnload the app. But then at the App Store it says that this App (QooApp) is not available in my region
I’m reading up, and it seems that the only way to get QooApp on iOS is if you download it from the app store.
Apparently you can create a new Apple ID and set the location to Japan, then you can find and download QA in the app store. But I’m not sure how many are willing to go that far.
Yeah, just tried doing that, creating an north american and a japanese account to download the qooapp, and in both cases it failed because it said “your device is not compatible”, even though I changed the region, I also tried downloading Dragalia Lost directly with the new accounts, but the same message shows up.
I am legitimately disappointed that Dorothea loses her hat upon promoting. The game better have an option to give Dorothea her hat back, whether that’s in the form of an accessory shop or a costume selection feature.
Wow thanks for translating all this info! Looks like the battle system will be great as always, maybe better than ever before.
I just hope they focus on the visuals before release…because they look very bad honestly, FE always looked great whether on GBA, GC or 3DS but here the textures, characters 3D models, animations, facial expressions, landscapes & even visual effect look very ugly & without any unique style.
I’ll trust Intsys to somehow make the game look better in the few coming months before release, they still have time.
I wouldn’t say the 3DS games looked particulary well.
But I agree, IntSys need to improve the visuals. I can accept the badly looking floor textures, but they really need to reduce the aliasing of the character models.
Nah Awakening turned out great & this one will probably be awesome. If they weren’t I wouldn’t be playing the series to this day & follow the news for this new installment.
If you liked it, that’s great. Personally I was appalled by the decision to sideline permadeath and make a story that is on the level of a fanfic. Story for me is easy to ignore though if the gameplay is good but that wasn’t the case when it came to that game.
The permadeath was used in Awakening though & is still used to this day in FE, even in 3 Houses.
I just don’t get the divide of this fanbase honestly, I have played the GBA, DS & 3DS FE games minus Fates which I don’t have yet, but the series is still the same & only changed the artists, got better music/presentation & mostly better gameplay over all, but ofc opinions will vary as always.
I don’t mean to offend you by saying this but you clearly didn’t look hard enough if you don’t think anything but presentation changed. Awakening focuses too much on pointless conversation, allows you to grind, and has terrible map diversity. Then the same mistakes were repeated in BR and R. CQ is a great game and that’s on the virtue of embracing what made the older games so good.
So if you can’t see the difference, I’ll lay it out for you in short: Good FE games present strict linear challenges (FE3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10 for example), while the not as good ones give the player more freedom than is necessary (FE2, 8, 13, 14, 15). The games are not the same and the divide happened because there are people who actually value the challenge most older FE games provided.
No offence taken at all & I have to say that my experience with FE is strictly within the officially localized games (which I think most of FE fans outside of Japan do) & tbh I don’t know their order so I don’t know what you mean by FE 3 or 5! But I love FE Blazing Blade & Sacred Stones as much as Awakening & Echoes, yes each has different strengths & weaknesses but outside of the genuinely bad/simple maps of Echoes I think they’re all great! I have yet to play Fates but it looks great.
All in all I don’t think you can draw a defined line between what’s good & what’s not in the series overall, except for map design & battle system. I’ve been playing through Shadow Dragon these past days & I like it but I can’t help missing some features from the newer game & I can say that I wish the permadeath was optional because I restarted the game more than I’d like to.
You sound like an expert in the franchise & have way more experience than me, personally as long as 3 Houses has great map design, objectives & a solid battle system then I’ll like it.
You hit the nail on the head there by saying that they all have different strengths and weaknesses. That alone proves that the games aren’t all the same. FE, for all its old-fashioned gameplay, is a series that recycles and reinvents gameplay mechanics through each era, with some being better than others.
And I do think that there are certain things that needs to exist in each game for it to be considered a good addition to the series. The games which allows you to grind ruin the formula at its very base, for FE is a series where every decision you make matters. From deciding which units to use, to management of money, items, and weapons, even each movement and attack matter because in one playthrough you can only make a select amount of these choices. That’s also the reason Sacred Stones was my least favourite game in the series before Awakening came out, despite the nostalgia of it being my first. When you can grind zombies and gold all the small but important decisions you normally have to make are negated completely. The same thing goes for casual mode; it’s not needed because older games always assumed that you would have some casualties and were balanced around that fact, making sure that you could never unintentionally get stuck. I like my FE games to be fair but strict, and I don’t think that drives away new players as much as people might think.
Regarding Shadow Dragon, it’s also one of the worse games, but for vastly different reasons. It’s not that it’s missing features from the newer games, but it’s missing a fuckton of features from literally every other game that came before it. I don’t know whose idea it was to keep the same 20 year old script, have little to no character interaction, and lock chapters and units behind playing poorly, but it was terrible and made the game suffer badly for it.
Yeah I really don’t think Awakening revived the series because it let go of permadeath or introduced grinding (which I forgot was even there since I played the game years ago), but it was a combination of lots of features they added, both old & new, not forgetting the attractive new art style & the brilliant music along with the beautiful CG cutscenes, ads & a good release date.
I never even considered grinding to be that big of a deal, that is why I still love Sacred Stones & Awakening because I hate losing characters forever & I restart every time I lose a character until I finally give up a weaker character to move on lol I wonder if there’ll be any grinding in 3 Houses though!! Maybe they can make it optional? But I see your argument, it’s the same way I feel about Dark Souls/Sekiro, you just have to get better by practice & management.
Shadow Dragon is rough & weird, but I still enjoy it for what it is I guess…I hope they remake older games I hear praise about all the time like the ones on the SNES! They could remake an older title after 3 Houses, but please with a better engine & they should work on their maps & story/writing too when it needs to be updated.
As much as I’m disappointed by the presentation/visuals of 3 Houses I can’t wait to see how they approached the gameplay & design this time, I’m kinda intrigued by the concept of being an instructor & if it’ll have different branches of the story depending on who you choose from the 3 students.
I never understood why Nintendo fans think a Nintendo game would magically look better within a few months or even a year before release.
If they’re still working on visuals at this point, then the game would surely be delayed.
I don’t have to be a Nintendo fan to like FE lol & it’s really smart of you to generalize a whole fandom with pathetic claims like that.
Devs can ofc make adjustments on the visuals in the last few months or even after the games release with updates & patches. You just have to read more.
Depending on when these screenshots were taken (and whether it is from an Alpha, Beta or the freeze period) there might actually be the ability for the graphics to improve. Considering they are about 3 months out they are probably using screenshots from pre-beta so cold freeze or alpha which means we’ve yet to see Beta (which is when features and assets are usually completed and they switch to bug stomping which they are probably in right now). We’ll see what the game will actually look like properly by E3 hopefully. There is a chance that the visuals won’t improve though due to the limitations of the Switch but we can definitely hope.
This series has always had visual appeal problems. The nes and snes eras were in no way groundbreaking visually, the GBA era was widely criticized for how its map visuals look, GC and Wii were both almost a generation behind graphically, the Archanea remakes speak for themselves. The 3DS era was the first to up the bar a little, but what sold it was the amazing cgi(except Echoes).
It’s fine if the gameplay doesn’t look amazing as long as it’s well animated(still unclear at this point) and you don’t needlessly focus on the rougher aspects in promotional material, but it’s a real shame they went with cheaper cgi this time around on top of it.
Also I gotta be real with you as well, what we’re seeing at this point is what we’re getting.
Yes the CG shocked me when I saw it at E3 last year! it was very stiff & the frame rate was atrocious… After the amazing CG they used for Awakening & Fates, they went with the ugly FE: Echoes CG.
I will ofc enjoy the game & it sounds amazing so far but I expected way better presentation from Intsys considering this is their 1st “console” FE in a decade & the fact that it is releasing after the breakthrough for the series & the phenomenal success they had with their mobile game FE: Heroes.
Hopefully more information comes out about other details, like fighting, battalions, etc. And maybe information on possibly recruiting outside characters?
the video showcasing byleth defending edelgard makes me laugh. edelgard must lack any brains or skills if she really couldn’t deal with a guy taking 5 or so seconds to run at her. she literally couldve just walked out of the way. thats so funny. but i guess byleth really needed those Epic Gamer points.
im really disappointed with a lot of aspects of FE3H so far, but i’m VERY excited to see where this slice-of-life type gameplay may be going. character interactions are always my favorite, and even if theyre ugly as all hell, personality can still save em!! no, really, i love fire emblem and i’m excited for this game, don’t get me wrong. the gameplay (the most important part!!) seems really interesting. at the very least it seems like its going to be fun to play! which, like.. what else can u really ask for, lol.
Things I like:
– Gameplay/battle system
– Music
– Setting, being a teacher instead of a student makes it really interesting & less cliche
Thing I dislike:
– The visuals
– Characters designs
– The CG & the “anime” scenes? which I find really weird having both CG AND “anime” animation to tell the story!!
Well she only has a knife while her opponent a ax, furthermore she was surprised which slowed down her reaction and not to forget the physical differences between the two, so I am completely okay with that scene.
Proceeding to hate on Alm because he’s receiving two alts in one year.
I’m actually skipping this since I already have every unit I really like (except Nailah) and I’m already pulling for normal Alm. Kudos to the pool update that didn’t improved anything.
Compared to someone like Camilla? Alm deserves two alts (you were probably joking about Alm getting two alts, seeing as how you have that part lined out for a lack of a better description, but its true that he deserves some alts). It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if Celica gets a Legendary alt sometime this year too and it’d be based on her overclass with her title to go with it that she gets at the end of SoV.
It was a joke, but I fear some people will actually think that way. It happened with Hector: he was unlucky that all his alts came in the same year (until then he didn’t have any) and people hated on both him and Armads, even when each Armads had completely different effects. I hope I am wrong.
Yeah I figured as much in terms of you joking. And yeah most likely some will get mad about this but unlike Hector at least this Alm is wielding a bow and not Falchion again. Hopefully when his brave alt comes out he’ll be wielding something he normally wouldn’t.
Just wanted to point this out but you got Marth and Hector wrong, you have them titled as Braves (which Marth’s isn’t out yet) but those are their Legendary selves.
In the 2/13 direct, at around 3:40, Ferdinand and Sylvain are using the “Training Lance”, so I think that’s what they will end up being called instead of Practice Lance. The kanji looks the same in the Japanese direct too. I’ve also noticed there is a “Beginner Exam Pass” that Caspar/Dorothea uses to promote to the 4 base classes and an Intermediate one that Edelgard uses in the direct(4:07). None of the 8 seen classes that Edelgard can promote to seem like final classes(and the ones that we do see seem promoted from these 4), so would there also be an “Advanced” Pass for a final tier? So 3 or 4 tiers essentially when also considering Noble/Commoner as one.
The biggest deterrent for me with this game was how grindy it was to participate in events. But now they have auto and fast forward features to the gameplay that makes grinding significantly less tedious. I’m probably gonna get back into playing this game again.
After bad luck for months getting any character I’ve been wanting and the drought of F2P orbs, I managed to get Alm in three pulls somehow and I’m super stoked about it.
Yes! Golden Week is the best time to collect Orbs~
Allegiance Battle are…ok I guess? but very good to clear thanks to my Friends with +10 Caineghis and other +10 Units!
Kind of interesting that there’s adventurers and wyrmprints but no dragons. Seems like Tiki would be a natural fit if you’re already dragging Marth in.
I still enjoy FEH, but hate AR… and the resort is just nonsense. They are so stingy with grails too – I think it will be 2119 by the time I can +10 anyone recent
Golden week has been very generous in rewards – it takes away the bitterness of the annual celebration and shows what they can do to make the game fun to play. I didn’t get an Alm but I feel well treated by IS.
I do think that’s the idea though; people maybe like some of these characters but don’t use them because they’re underpowered. The best way to fix that is to give them a new superweapon that buffs them up a lot (but of course if you add new superweapons that can be inherited by already powercreeped units, they become broken, so they have to be prf weapons). But Stahl and Sully are super boring characters to do this for.
I’m going to decide during the course of the gameplay. I think choosing the house that resonates the best with your own values is a more interesting route to take than arbitrarily making a choice based on design beforehand. Hopefully there’ll be nuances that will actually differentiate them in both story and gameplay though, otherwise the whole thing will be pointless.
Not sure if it’s possible to make a sound decision during the course of gameplay since it seems like choosing your house is one of the first things you do after arriving at the Monastery. So one got to rely on previews/reviews to catch all the differences (gameplay and story), unless Nintendo/Intsys themselves will disclose all the information before the release.
But I’m with you, I hope the houses really differ a lot for the sake of replay value.
To be honest, I think the the guys’ introductions seem more interesting (less cold? plain? idk) than Edelgard’s, but o why must the creators make her look so darn attractive :'( men are simple creatures and I’m prob gonna pick her house just because of that *sigh*. But, still planning to play all of them, and who knows, might make a 180 turn if I like one of the characters from the other houses. Can’t wait for upcoming character profiles/introductions 😀
What a weird banner: another Corrin and another Tiki, but we got the Berkut alt everyone was expecting since he came and FREAKING MAREETA.
I’ve also noticed that they give Echoes characters by little drops. Two Celica alts, Kliff, Duma, Picnic akts, L!Alm and now alts of Berkut and Delthea, everything without a single Echoes themed banner.
Echoes has a pretty limited number of characters, and we’ve gotten quite a lot of them, and most of the main ones. They’ve probably saving some so if they decided to do a full banner later they could.
This is a good banner, though I’m honestly confused about F!Corrin. Why’s she on here? She never really got possessed except in Warriors by Iago unless this is a nod to when she first transformed into a dragon after Mikoto was killed in front of her. I mean the other four I can understand cause they actually were possessed in some way, be it mind control (Y!Tiki and Delthea), cursed weapon (Mareeta) or giving up their soul and pretty much going batshit insane (Berkut). But I can’t think of anything for Corrin.
Yeah, not sure why she’s here either. Also, her voice sounds very nonthreatening. Unfortunately, she shares a colour with Tiki, so “avoiding” her will be hard.
Chapter 5 she rampages and can’t control her dragon form. When she transformed she was enveloped in a bunch of dark aura. Also at the final battle of revelation Anankos says he’s going to use Corrin’s body as a vessel. In Heirs of Fate it’s an alternate universe where Anankos won. Even though we don’t see Corrin(since customizations) from the Heirs of Fate it’s implied that Anankos left Corrin alive to uses them as a vessel.
Yeah chapter 5 is what I meant by Corrin transforming into her dragon form for the first time after Mikoto is killed in front of her. You might be right about it being when she first transforms, cause her line sounds non-threatening and more of her being scared than anything else.
In the Japanese trailer she says “The beast’s impulse…” in a way that signifies that she is yet conscious of what’s going on with her. So that theory makes sense.
Yep, and it has now been confirmed on the Meet the Heroes website that it’s chapter 5 Corrin although it’s implied that she didn’t get a dragon stone since her model and artwork doesn’t depict her with one.
True but most “fallen” heroes have been possessed by something, be it Grima taking over Robin, Celica being turned into a witch as a sacrifice to Duma or Hardin being controlled by the Dark Sphere. I think it can be agreed on that Corrin is “possessed” by her dragon blood since thats whats been confirmed as this being chapter 5 Corrin.
The fact that it’s “Fallen” makes it even more confusing, because Fallen implies that they have “Fallen to the Darkness” which is very, very different than what happened with Corrin.
Even a Greil with Lehran’s Medallion would have been a weird pick for this banner.
Well, it depends on how you see it. Since we don’t yet have FE11 Hardin I’m inclined to call his FE12 appearance in this game an alt. Despite being a canon aspect of his character, I still think the original version is the “real” version so to speak.
Perhaps some alts aren’t “alts,” so much as extensions of the character. Mareeta and Hardin are both examples of this. This also applies to the Grimas, who most people agree aren’t Robin alts. The same thing could probably be argued for many Legendary Heroes, such as Roy, Ephraim, Eirika, and Hector, all of whom reflect the character at a later point in time than the original version, more specifically post-promotion. The alts with a basis in canon (which doesn’t include reclassing) are in a different category than the seasonal alts, which are either reclass inspired or out of nowhere.
When I think about alts, I don’t really think about the logistics or reasonings behind them. If they’re another version of a character we already have, they’re an alt. Likewise, I still consider Mareeta and Hardin to be in the alt category just as much as Doma possessed Celica is, despite their original appearances not being in the game yet.
I agree on Grima though, because putting him inside of Reflet is a convenient way of getting him in the game, in a similar way that Doma is.
It’s been a while since our last good GHB (with prf weapon and all) unit so Delthea will probably be that. If I were to make a guess, it might be based on warping, which depending on how it’s handled, might be good like Aversa’s Night.
I hope everyone who cares about AR got their easy matches in yesterday.
Been a long time since we actually received compensation orbs. 100 grails is an entire AR week too, so they are doing really well on this. Good job, IS.
Thanks for the translations! I’m glad to see we’re moving onto the students now!
Where do the full names of Hubert and Doudou show up? I can extrapolate Hubert’s (and at the very least, we do know his surname’s Bestla), but I don’t remember seeing Molinaro anywhere…
HMMMM, if you guys pay attention to Lorentz’s video, he’s talking to male Byleth. I wonder if the conversation would be different if it was female Byleth, that would be a nice additional detail since Lorentz apparently likes to hit on women. But, it might not happen; it’d be nice if they did include minor details like that though.
Considering he’s the “Casanova” for this Fire Emblem it wouldn’t surprise me if he got all flirty with F!Byleth, like Sain does with the female tactician in 7.
It’s kinda funny how this games Casanova looks like…that.
Honestly, people mock him and Hubert for their looks, but I really like that not all male characters look like bishounen supermodels. More disctinctive and “odd” designs are always appreciated, kinda like Wrys, Arden and Meg.
i’m still kind of disappointed with the student designs we’ve seen so far. i at least like the story-relevant designs, like Rhea! none of the students have caught my attention though.
also, it really bothers me just how rendered and shaded Manuela’s breasts are. fan service is no stranger to FE and I have 0 problem with it, but with the way the art is, the first thing my eyes go to is her chest, because thats the most detailed and eye-catching part, and THEN her face. even with charlotte or camilla’s designs/art, i’d be like “haha nice boobies” and then be able to move on; there is nothing continuously drawing my eyes there. this artist has basically done the same technique /i/ use when im making sensual pin-up drawings. its just something thats really bothering me, especially since it doesn’t seem to be a Manuela-exclusive problem (i’d understand if it were for something like characterization, i.e. Manuela is has a more sensual personality than other women at the academy), as we’ve seen with Dorthea(?)’s sprite.
uhhh.. critique sandwich, so i’ll also say that i like the character art that the character designer (presumably) did for the main cast. i love the motion they have, they’re really dynamic. i can tell that this artist is very talented and knows what she’s(?) doing.
I am half-expecting those other two teachers to be the characters who join at almost the end of the game, you know, your Gotoh or Izana or Basilio/Flavia type of character. But there are clearly a number of breaks from the formula at play in 3 Houses generally. Either way, excited to see what the game brings.
Hopefully Manuela is good if that’s the case since have my eyes on her! But I personally think they don’t have them here is because 1. They don’t need any or 2. They’re keeping theirs a secret for now.
I don’t know why but Byleth’s crest really heavily remind me of something familiar, but I can’t place it.
Could be Grima’s Brand but… it’s a little too farfetched to be a familiar feeling.
Hubert: Chief of Staff – Ploy/Strategy power +5. (I think this is a mechanic mentioned in an earlier article)
Dorothea: Songstress – Restores 10% HP to adjacent allies at the start of turn.
Dedue: Master’s Shield – Defense + 4 for one turn if you Wait without taking an action.
Felix (haven’t see this guy before): Lone Wolf – +5 damage dealt when the Knights aren’t deployed or if their strength is at 0. (Implies you can choose not to deploy character’s squads, and that their numbers are reduced if taking damage in battle)
Lorentz: Prestigious Noble – If the Knights are deployed, damage dealt +2.
Hilda: Begging (Beseeching?) – Adjacent male allies do +3 damage to enemies.
The older teachers don’t have personal skills listed. Crests don’t seem to have gameplay descriptions yet, just “the crest of [x place in Fodlan]”.
Cool stuff. The more I hear about this game, the more refreshing an entry in the series it seems to be. Battalions in particular are something roughly in-line with what I’ve wanted to see ever since Part 2 of Radiant Dawn.
Goneril is a character from King Lear, btw, alongwith “Regan” (not sure if connected to “Riegan” in this instance), and uh, Cordelia. Some nice name influences in 3 Houses. I feel a particularly strong affinity for the Welsh ones in Faerghus.
First of all, thank you for the translation.
I think it’s safe to say that unit customization-wise, Three Houses will be the deepest and most fleshed out entry yet, which is great!
I hope every other relevant gameplay aspect follows suit and are as ambitious. Good map design and varied objectives would be nice.
Not sure what to think about calendar system yet. Does it mean there are only 12 chapters? Or are there more than one year? Or will something significant happen after year one making the whole calendar system obsolete?
I agree, there could be more than one year or the chapters/acts could be longer than usual, like the acts in Echoes. Which the calendar system in this game is loosely based on.
Btw on why Saturday is not marked as free like Sunday and the last day of the month, I guess that the school’s schedule is based off Japan’s schooling. While schools only require students to go 5 days, there’s usually optional teaching on Saturday, and many students go due to parents or because they feel they need to. Since this is a military academy, I wouldn’t be surprised if Saturdays are just plain mandatory to attend.
Thanks! I pondered about cultural differences for a moment, but I forgot by the time I was fine-tuning the article. That also explains why Sundays is physically bigger on the calendar (and the physical one in the special edition).
Yeah they really overly sexulised characters in those 2 entries. Shadows of Valentia was far better in that regards and I can see this one also doing really well.
Its also really surprising considering one of the teachers and the female avatar are all sexed up so I guess they figured fanservice can mostly stay out of the battlefield
“*Sweats* I’m just a mercenary that they forced to join the academy… I can’t even say a sentence to save my life.” XD when they said that, all I was thinking that’s everyone that was forced to take the oral communications GE lmao.
Wow, the customization options are crazy. I like that the weaknesses of the characters can be overcome so that opens even further options. It’s all looking quite promising. Surprised girls can’t be fist fighters but can be BRIGANDS at the officer academy. very interesting.
So with what you’ve mentioned about the crests being similar to the bloodlines in FE 4, I think its somewhat safe to say there might be a time skip with a focus on second gen characters with possibly some gen one characters here and there, unless most of the gen one characters get killed off somehow. Truthfully I wouldn’t mind this so long as its believable and not something stupid just to force child characters in like Fates did.
Also the calendar seems somewhat similar, though not completely, to Valkyria Chronicles 2’s months per chapter (since its got a school system of sorts just like Three Houses). But instead of a student’s POV, its in the teacher’s POV.
I’m not convinced there will be two generations, although the main ingredients are there. At the least, I think the crests are a neat throwback to the Jugdral games : )
True but then again we don’t know one way or the other right now, plus theres what Edelgard said in the first trailer that possibly hints at a potential time skip. Personally I’m ok with no kids unless its done right and in a believable way. Though yes the nod to the bloodlines in 4 with the crests is nice, even though I’ve yet to continue playing it.
Well I mean the kids in Awakening I can understand cause in their timeline all the parents were dead (although I suppose one could consider Robin to still be alive despite he/she being controlled by Grima and their consciousness being forced into the back of their mind), but Fate’s reason for kids was just plain dumb not to mention a irresponsible thing to do on the parents’ part.
Yeah FE 4’s inheritance system definitely is the best way to go, minimal skill inheritance (I think its like what, one to two skills at most the kid gets from both parents?) but also gain certain weapons depending on what the kid’s class is gonna be.
“For one turn, increases the movement of allies by 5. Targets an adjacent ally and seems to apply the effect to all allies with a 2 tile radius of the target (or maybe just a triangle with the user at the centre and the target at the edge). Can be used at least twice.”
Oh geez that sounds kind of broken. At least its limited per map unlike Devil Survivor’s Devil Speed, but anything that raises movement in a tactical RPG tends to be pretty busted.
i’m honestly really confused by all these gameplay aspects but im sure itll make more sense as im playing the game. intrigued, but confused. its honestly starting to sound more like a persona game, which isn’t what i like out of my RPGs, but since its fire emblem ill give it a go.
“Nothing really matters at the end of the day.” Now that’s sound advice! Life is pointless, nothing has a purpose, we’re all going to die 😀
I probably don’t have the heart to do it, but I’m sure there are some people out there who decide to go the most troll teacher route possible.
During weekdays, there will be lessons. You can partake in Tutoring,
Auto-Tutor, Group Task and Set Goals. These are all options in the Lesson Plan menu.
During weekends, you can enjoy some free time. You can take a Stroll,
Class, Rest, Venture and Examination. The latter allows you to
class-change.
Initially, I thought of the game as a Harry Potter-style game. Over time I started to think of it as a cross between Trails of Cold Steel and Persona, and now the section on School Life has confirmed it.
Also, I am VERY interested in Byleth’s origins. When I saw F Byleth talking to Rhea, I noticed a resemblance between the two, and this may be a clue to why Byleth can see Sothis who already looks similar to Rhea. Now reading about Byleth’s crest and this Liberation King (who is very much wielding the bone sword Byleth later uses) I just…………… feel nervous that they’re repeating the ‘mysterious’ protagonist origins from Awakening and Fates. My last hope is the twist is written better like with Gaiden/Echoes. FOR THE LOVE OF NAGA DON’T!
I think they’re aiming for a more flexible, but still restricted class system. I have a feeling that the level progression might be like Heroes, with a Level cap of 40 for all characters. So far, we know you can upgrade at Levels 5 and 10. I imagine the next upgrade will be at 20, for advanced classes. Perhaps there are even higher classes (equivalent to Radiant Dawn’s 3rd Tiers of Echoes’s Overclasses) at 30 or 40.
The reason your level isn’t reset is so you can’t continuously grind for stats. In fact, I just remembered it’s similar to how Genealogy of the Holy War handled promotion…
I’m more concerned on how it will affect min-maxing and how you might get screwed stat wise if you fail to promote early. FE4 promotion and level system was cap at 30 iirc, and you can only promote at level 20.
Ive only played Awakening and little bit of scared stones, but anything with more clarity and streamlining is better than Awakening where they lock all this character customization and fun stuff behind re classing and an insane amount of grinding for 20+ character but then limit your leveling to balance the stats, I just want new toys and abilities to play with I don’t give a shit about the stats past a certain point when grinding. And don’t get me started and how you can permanently fuck your characters up if you haven’t thoroughly studied the INVISIBLE game mechanics that anyone playing the game in a fun, natural way couldn’t possibly know. Its such an anti fun mechanic built around stat balancing based on the stupid death mechanic, I don’t play the game without making sure I have a perfect fight every time and lose no characters, that’s already punishment enough.
I hope this level system signifies at least a much better in game explanation of optimal leveling and character building without turning it into a full time job. I hope they don’t balance the game expecting the player to let some of their characters die so they feel its ok to make using and training all your characters unfun and unviable in a reasonable amount of time.
they’re still locking some stuff behind reclassing, the way it looks to me, and I think that not reverting the character level to 1 when promoting is much more detrimental to as you called people who just wanted fun, cause imagine them failing to promote on time and their stats get gimped because they leveled up with the stat growth of a trainee class, now you get a character that is now un-fun to play with and or totally lagging behind your other characters. hoping that they release some info on the actual going on behind promoting units is probably not gonna happen, that’s probably best left to dataminers, i think gaiden or SoV did it best, you can choose to promote unit as soon as they are eligible or hold off because when promoting units they’re stats get boosted to the base stat of the unit they are promoting into while also reverting their level to 1, while holding off to promote them and maxing their level will give you higher stat (supposedly) but you won’t receive the stat boosts upon promotion
Thanks for the translation. Just wanted to ask about a line in the first screenshot of the Blossoming Talent part. Under the experience table it says ウォーロックになれば which translates to „If I were to become a Warlock“ if I’m not wrong Warlock is a new class right?
Pretty suspicious that The Liberation King is naked Nemesis
Byleth is a demon and he is likely related to Nemesis. Definitely sounds like a relation with. A huge “church is evil” plot
Gotta subvert those expectations! its at the point where It would be more unexpected for a japanese game to use a church as a plot device and have it not be “secretly” evil.
Looks like Koei-Tecmo influence is more apparent than ever, way beyond just creating the 3D unit and environment unlike what people have suggested. From unit skill/tactic, to proficiency being tied to individual characters instead of class. Not that it’s bad thing, really. Koei created a lot of strategy game during PS2 era and lot of them are ranging from decent to good. Nice to see that IS could learn a lot of thing from them (I hope they do too on story department in regards to making more compelling dynastic struggle tale).
With the last few major batches being Laguz/Beasts there’s a chance for one of them. Also since Harr was released at the same time, maybe Jill? It’s probably just me wanting her in the game but I still find it odd that Harr was added as a GHB with the Laguz and not her. I hope there are some actual guys though out of 2 years all we have is Marth from the GHB so far.
honestly the one on the right is giving me some serious Pent vibes, but its probably camilla lol and also that weapon is pretty out there.. the one on the left is obviously another child bride..
I think having both Pent and Louise make their debut together in a bride groom banner would be cool…but then I remember that the devs aint that awesome.
Man this is horrible, it’s even worse than I could’ve ever imagined, they pretty much shamelessly ripped off the story and setting of ‘Record of the Grancrest War”
Really didn’t expect Sigrun and Tanith to make their debut as brides, but their voices are great, and Harsh Command+ fits Tanith perfectly.
Took me a few moments to recognize Pent, but him and Louise debuting in a wedding banner is fitting, being one of the few set-in-stone married couples in the series.
I’m gonna be honest, I can’t see Tanith wanting to be caught dead in a dress much less a wedding dress. Sigrun I can see happening but but Tanith is too duty bound to even possibly think about settling down and starting a family. I imagine this is likely Sanaki being mischievous and practically ordering them to wear the dresses (at least on Tanith’s part as I can see Sigrun wanting to eventually marry and have children of her own one day, wouldn’t surprise me if she thinks of Sanaki as her own daughter as well as her leader).
And I’m guessing this Pent and Louise are before they got married and are the couple we know them as in 7 cause Pent sounds pretty young as I imagine him being rather deep voiced in 7, though not in a gruff deep way. I imagine a lot of Pent and Louise fans are happy they’re finally in, even if its not them FROM 7 itself.
You know what’s funny to me? Tanith doesn’t sound bothered or ashamed at all by her outfit. Contrast it to how embarassed Catria was while wearing her bunny outfit. The difference between a maiden at heart like Catria and a serious mature woman like Tanith. It doesn’t matter what she wears, Tanith will maintain her composure and dignity. What a badass of an awesome character. Now I kind of wish to see her in a completely silly costume like a reindeer for christmas to see if she will remain stoic even then.
I think the Pent and Louise we are getting are already married since in a voice line he says he cannot make her wife wait for him.
Thats true, she didn’t sound annoyed at all, still can’t see her in anything BUT her usual attire although I’ll admit that I will DIE of laughter seeing her in a Reindeer suit cause theres no way anyone is THAT stoic and not be a little embarrassed with what they’re wearing. I can see Sanaki being mischievous again and order Tanith to wear one (yeah some might see that as an abuse of power but Sanaki is like 13 which is confirmed in RD by Sothe so as far as I’m concerned she’s just being a mischievous child/teenager).
Yeah but he says bride instead of wife, which I’m guessing makes him and Louise newlyweds as I don’t know anyone whose been married for years calling their wife his bride. Plus him and Louise are like what, late 20s to early 30s in 7? I mean he looks pretty young on the banner, like early 20s to mid 20s maybe a little younger.
Well, yay for finally getting Pent and Louise in this game. Now we just need Erk and maybe Dieck and we’ll have the whole Reglay crew!
And if Tanith and Sigrun are brides, well, that explains Sanaki’s flower girl deal in the last bridal banner. She’s practically their daughter and all.
I play Fire Emblem Heroes because I am a Fire Emblem fan but I see nothing wrong about legislating against extremely predatory video game formats, amongst which gacha games are probably the worst.
I don’t know man. I think the only thing Nintendo should do is increase the rating of the game to +18. Every adult must have the maturity to know where and when to spend their own money. Let the state decide if it is right or wrong where to spend your own money is not something I think it is right.
There is a point to be taken from this. Even if my ability to dump money into the game is removed, it means I had a disposable income to begin with. Which means that money is probably going to be put into another gacha or hobby instead. This type of ban really achieves nothing constructive.
There are people more vulnerable that will spend more than what is really disposable. Gambling can be an addiction and it has ruined and broken people.
I’m not really defending gacha. It’s an incredibly scummy business model. What I’m saying is that if people find themselves inclined to spend more than they can afford, the issue most likely lies far beyond the game itself.
And that is their own fault. It isn’t a governments job to baby sit grown ass adults, keeping them by force from spending their own money as they damn well please.
Exactly my boi, but that is not only the problem with only gatchas. Real life is full of temptations that will try to take your money anyway. It is up to you to know when and where to spend. That is the beauty of capitalism: you take the decisions for your own life, the good ones and bad ones. Let the state dictate what you should or should not buy is just a step closer to full control of society. The state should be as minimal as possible, focusing only on security of the country, education, health care and international affairs, not with some mobile game that does not force anyway to go bankrupt without the own’s person consent.
Re: “Cordelia”. It’s interesting. Although it could be a sort of backdated reference to the translation (Intelligent Systems have done things like that before), I think there’s another reason it’s there. I hope it does **not** change in the translation, but I’m actually fairly confident it won’t. Why?
Goneril and Regan. Cordelia forms a trio with them, being the three daughters of King Lear. It therefore makes sense that they are confined to one of the three nations. Furthermore, the Duke of Gloucester and Edmund are prominent characters in King Lear too, and as far as I’m aware, they are also shown as places in Leicester.
Feel free to ask me any more Qs about the name influences, with particular regard to Faerghus and Leicester, since they both make a number of mythological allusions to things I’m highly familiar with.
@disqus_YDO76S6emT:disqus Actually, it would be Really nice to have either briefs paragraphs or longer articles (maybe by nations, or Famitsu release) on the names and their inspirations! But I don’t know how much work that represents, or even if that is relevant… Anyway, feel free to offer us some of your wisdom, I would be a happy reader 😀
Well thanks for your interest. I’m probably rambling a lot, but I’ll start with the ones I do know (mainly the Welsh ones since I speak that language to a conversational degree); most of these I noticed when I was looking at the map https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/fodlan-world-map-v1.jpg
– Garreg Mach looks to me like it was supposed to be Welsh, but it’s been mutated incorrectly. “Carreg Fach” is how I would render it in that context. Anyway, I take it to mean “Small Stone”, or perhaps something more akin to “Little Rock”. I think that’s a town in Arkansas, USA, lol.
– Blaiddyd (BLY-thid; /th/ is voiced like in “there”) is a pseudo-historical king of Britain. The “blaidd” (blythe) part probably means wolf, as far as I can tell.
– Gwenhwyfar (Gwen-HWIV-var) is simply the Welsh form of Guinevere, wife of King Arthur. Survives to this day as the modern name Jennifer!
– There’s something the SF map of Fódlan has given as “Magdred”; I’m not certain but I’ve got a funny feeling it’s a bastardization of older forms of “Mordred”. There are tons of variations on Mordred’s name so I might be completely wrong – however, it would fit with the other Arthurian references that are mostly confined to Faerghus.
– Myrddin (MER-thin; same again for that /th/ sound) is the Welsh form of “Merlin”, a guy I’m sure a lot of people have heard of. The weird thing is that this one appears to be in Leicester rather than Faerghus, but it probably doesn’t mean anything significant.
– Arianrhod (Ar-ee-AN-rhod; not sure how to explain the difference between /r/ and /rh/, but they are voiced/voiceless equivalents and regarded as separate letters in the Welsh language) is a figure from the Mabinogion, sort of your classic “evil bitch” character like Cersei Lannister or someone.
– Way down in the south of the Adrestian Empire is Morgaine; this is a variant on Morgan (le Fay). It’s not in a Welsh form though, and it’s outside Faerghus. Again, I don’t know if its placement is significant particularly.
Onto the Irish ones. I’m less clear on pronunciation and the spelling variants here, so it would be handy to have input from an actual Irish person, but I did notice:
– Faerghus itself is the Irish name “Fergus”, as far as I can tell. Possibly as in “Fergus mac Roich”.
– Brionac is a name sometimes attributed to Lugh’s spear, or one of them. Ahh, the Irish and their legendary spears. Anyway, you can also find this name used in Xenoblade 2. I believe Lugh itself has already been used for the name of a character in Roy’s game, but I haven’t played that one.
– Fhirdiad might be a variant on Ferdiad, who is Cú Chulainn’s rival/best friend/etc – how shounen of them 😉 If you know anything about the Fate franchise, you may have heard of that Cú guy.
The Adrestian locales seem to be mostly Scandinavian or Norse, on which my knowledge is a lot smaller, but I do know that Hraesvelgr is notable because it is a giant eagle. There is also a summoned monster in Bravely Default called Hraesvelgr, and Velgrmon from Digimon is also based on this concept, and is also black.
Fantastic!! I always were interested in etymology, it reveals so much on the influences! Ironically, if it is cleverly used, it is a double edge-sword, because you can understand things earlier in a story…
As a french speaker, I can’t sadly be of use here…
To give a possible answer to Fodlán, Fodlá is a goddess from Irish mythology. She and her 2 sisters had an argument over who the island will be named after, and consulted a bard, who decided to name it after all 3. Well, technically, Ériu won, hence Ireland, but poets insist that Fódhla and Banba are also suitable names. At least, this is what Wikipedia told me, since I’m no Irish myth expert.
Interestingly, Fodlá, Banba and Ériu have been referenced in Fire Emblem before, as the names of three minor antagonists from FE4’s second gen, the mage sisters. Most fan-translations butchered them to “Vampa, Fetra and Elliu” though.
Anyone think that the Red Emperor will be this story’s equivalent of Isaac McDougal from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or Egil from Xenoblade Chronicles 1; a seemingly obvious bad guy who turns out to be a well-intentioned extremist trying to stop the real bad guys?
I really hope these mechanics are not broken, cause they look great. From what I’ve seen, I’ll buy the game eventually if not on release day. But I still have to complete XC2.
if you mean balanced in echoes as in the only real limit of of forging is how many silver and gold marks you have then that’s a terrible balance that does not in any way stop the forging system from being broken in echoes, unless you purposely limit yourself to a no grind run
fates version of forging seems to be the most balanced because you can forge but to make a forged weapon be OP(+7) would require a huge amount of resource that are basically time-gated unless you dedicate an entire session visiting other castles for said resource, or the shadow dragon/new mystery of the emblem heroes of light and shadow
where you are only allowed to forge 1 item per chapter but then again that’s also broken even if it was limited to 1 per chapter because the limit on the stats you can increase a weapon is too big (forging effective weapons or wingspear makes it broken)
You also have a pair up like mechanic that has literally no drawbacks. Gambits seem pretty strong so this is most likely the most broken fire emblem game.
It would be a nice idea to adapt the map difficulty according to our own team, but given that the only way IS increases the difficulty is through levels, skills and reinforcements… They should limit the grinding and resources, I don’t like having to avoid using game mechanics because they cheese the game, like my Awakening no-grinding/pair-up runs.
It’s a shame, but it’s been a series tradition outside of Fates. I’m more annoyed by Dark Mage and Brawler being male-only since Dark Mages have been gender-neutral for a while now.
Ah, so there is a special Lord class. I wonder if there will be a promoted form of Lord beyond it. What would you guys like to see? A shared Great Lord, or each one of the three getting a unique variant, Eliwood/Lyn/Hector-style?
Also, “Also, each class seems to learn special skills and abilities once they’ve reached their pinnacle.” This refers to that “Class Mastery” thing, right?
It depends how many tiers there are. There is surely an advanced tier containing stuff like Paladins. That could be were a Great Lord is located. But there may be a supreme tier like the 3rd tiers in Radiant Dawn and Overclasses in Echoes. I could see unique Lord classes being there.
At least the number of pairs you can have depends on your Instructor Level, and as long as they adjust the numbers well for things like proc rates and effectiveness, it isn’t an inherently bad thing for the game. We’ll just have to see. But limited pairing is a step in the right direction.
It’s a bit interesting that past game class skills (Live to Serve) are being retooled as personal skills. Good Fortune and Raphael’s Scavenger is also another example, albeit Scavenger heals less HP.
There’s none that are too bad. Since there’s no “Healer” class per se, there’s no class for Live to Serve to naturally fit into. Good Fortune and Scavenger were filler anyways. I’ll be surprised if something Luna or Wary Fighter becomes a personal skill.
I think its interesting that the icon under the Venture bar is a little sword as opposed to the hourglass that’s under the Instructor Gauge… Perhaps they’re separate resources? It feels too intentional for it to be added solely for flavour…
There are three gauges that I know of. All three can be seen in the main calendar screen.
The Instructor or Teaching Gauge has the notepad icon. It’s used for weekday lessons and weekend classes.
The Stroll Gauge has the hourglass icon and is used for all the sub-activities when exploring the monastery. This includes things like dining and taking quests.
The Venture Gauge has the sword that you mentioned. It’s only used for taking on optional skirmishes and sidequests/paralogues.
All three can be increased by raising your Instructor Level. This grows naturally as you teach and socialise and generally do stuff.
Good call on the notepad – I didn’t notice that one before! It is incredibly curious that it was still limited to one venture, then… Hopefully it wont be too limited!
“According to Famitsu, if playing on Normal difficulty, there’s always an optional skirmish that doesn’t consume the Venture Gauge. But it won’t be available on Hard, so no grinding forever for ya!”
Oh, this is a great call by IntSys. I’m fine with grinding being an option as long as it’s heavily restricted and not abuseable.
Generally, I really like the more “restriced” nature of the whole activity system. It really adds a new layer of ressource management and promotes further planning. Three Houses even brought weapon durability back, so it’s nice to see that ressource management is going to be a huge key aspect.
“Apparently an emergent nobleman has offered a marriage proposal to
Ingrid, but once Dorothea discovers his name, she openly opposes the
proposal. Dorothea asks Ingrid if she wants to rebuild her family using
bloodstained money. Oof, this songstress knows some secrets alright. It
also sounds like Ingrid’s family is in dire straights.”
I feared that side-quest would be empty “Go to this place and kill all the brigangs/monsters”, but it’s great to see that there are actually stories attached to them, which even reveal more about certain units.
All in all, I’m quite intrigued by most of the additions. Hopefully Three Houses will stick its landing regarding other important gameplay aspects. I’m still a bit concerned about the map designs.
This is looking less like Fire Emblem and more like Gauge Simulator 2019. Manage all the gauges so that you can get an epic victory. I kid, it all looks interesting, especially the side quests. Kind of reminds me of Xenoblade’s sidequests where you got to learn more about the characters, so that has me pretty excited. Also fishing. I don’t know why, but fishing always hooks me in, so I’ll probably spend less time stopping a rebellion against the church and more making sure all the fishes end up on dishes.
And I swear, if Lysithea uses her Crest to summon Thanatos.
Is it possible that Lamine refers to ‘Remire’ on the transcribed map? The second ‘r’ could actually be an ‘n’, and it’d keep up with the pattern that way!
I’m not one to make comments like these, but, based on that picture of Naga, Tiki’s father must’ve been one lucky man (well, dragon). Speaking of which; we don’t know anything about Tiki’s father; we just know that Tiki’s mother was Naga. That’s basically the reverse of how it usually is for main characters in FE.
Does Lysithea remind anyone else of Lute? I know it’s just the magical prodigy-ness that does it, but now I’m doubly interested in learning more about her! Hopefully we learn more of the Golden Deers and Blue Lions before release! (Black Eagles have had the lion’s share so far…)
People creating theories like that make me really appreciate that IntSys care about lore and world building again.
The last time we ate that good was during the Tellius era.
Cordelia is in Leicester; so Lysithea’s mother is from Charon; who married into the Cordelia family of Leicester and passed her crest onto their children; resulting in them living in Cordelia; with the crest of Charon; and bearing the name of the Cordelia family.
yeah, though most of the time their age wasn’t specifically mentioned and elise at least was called “technically an adult”. And (male) byleth being just 17 or even 18 seems weird to me. And how did you just get 5 upvotes in 15 minutes? this screams bots to me.
I didn’t expect 5 people to give an upvote in 15 minutes, I’m sorry. But still, as I said, most of the time their age wasn’t specifically mentioned. And this time around you’re a teacher too! I know this is Japan, where the game is coming from, but come on. A teacher, marrying a student? Thats a bit to cliche for me.
I know you were joking but I was trying to make some clarity in case people viewing really took what you said seriously. As for Byleth likely being around 17-18 its not as strange as you think since FE Protagonists in majority are young when they start off non timeskip/non sequel wise ie Marth 16, Roy 16, Alm/Celica 17, Lyn 15 JP, Eliwood/Hector 17, Ike 17, Chrom 18-19 pre-timeskip you get the idea lol XD.
he and the most other protagonist look older though, but I guess it makes sense, considering how !fem byleth looks like and how back in the days people would go to war at a much younger age than today, though people in anime look different in general so that might also be a factor.
But i’d still find it weird if byleth would end up marrying a student and I don’t think I’m the only one.
Characters in Fates can marry their own retainers which is practically the same thing so not that weird even Roy can possibly marry his teacher as a option.
There’s still a differece between a more personal kind of “mentor” relationship and you being a teacher at an academy, but I guess if the age is correct love can break every wall? Tbh I just find it weird we never really wondered why such romantic relationships were possible in the first place. I know this is a fantasy world and practicly everything happening in FE would be harder or even impossible in real life. But that’s my point. It’s not realistic and therefore I saw it as weird. It’s natural for someone to think that unrealistic things are weird.
Honestly I’m not convinced this game is going to be anything but a mix of Echoes skills and nuFE logic. It seems like it’s going to put too much focus on individual units once again, while also leaving the player with far too much freedom. I don’t really like many of the design choices I’ve seen so far but I’m still going into the game with an open mind like I did with Conquest.
Just see the focus on the individual units as an oppurtinity. In most other FE games, you usually had so many units, you always had to bench some of them so you could train up your main team (unless you grinded). But this time you – as we currently think – only have a small number of units of your house and therefore pretty much everyone is important. For example: even if someone has bad stats and/or growths, they could still be used as a healer or a wall/decoy or even a lockpicking bot (ashe has this as his personal skill), you decide.
At the moment we can’t say for sure if we will have access to more units than just the few of the house you chose to teach.
About the freedom of choice for the player: you are kinda limited by how good certain units excel at certain abilities. Of course, that doesn’t stop you from turning everyone into for example a cavalier or fighter, though.
It is not a good thing though. Having a small pool of units with the purpose of building them up into slaughter machines shifts the mechanics of the game into something that FE does poorly, which is minmaxing. The best games in the series are the ones where units slot into different roles in the army based on how you want to build it. You say that the other games have a ton of units that you never use without considering that you are never supposed to use all of them in a single playthrough. They’re there to fill up the space after other units die.
But now, we get games where the units themselves are put in the spotlight ahead of the bigger army. The games that do this the worst (as in Awakening and Birthright) often follow with a terrible compromise of the gameplay formula in order to accomodate for these mechanics. As we can see with those games and this one, they are designed with a heavy JRPG approach so that more it’s easily accessible even for people who have no interest in the strategy aspect.
As for the freedom of choice, I’m primarily speaking about doing things outside of a set frame. FE works best when there are certain rules that you have to conform to, since this offers a more concise strategic experience. That’s why I always prefer jumping straight from chapter to chapter, since anything more open is bound to have grinding which breaks the gameplay.
While I do agree on a lot of your facts, I know that most people don’t play FE in the way it’s intended (getting units killed and NOT resetting) and therefore the ‘backup’ units are kinda unnecessary (of course you could switch someone in if a units ends up getting bad level ups). And don’t forget about casual mode. Only having a very small amount of units sucks if one of them kicks the bucket though.
But I think your worries are mostly because we’re not used to so much freedom of choice in pretty much everything.
The only thing that currently worries me the most is the map design.
I also hope the game won’t become Awakening 3.0 in the sense of difficulty, fanservice and so on though. Lunatic (+) doesn’t really count, although it was significantly better in fates than it was in awakening. Why don’t I count Lunatic (+)? Because its a different challenge. I consider hard mode the base and pretty much standard mode.
That is the problem. If the games continue being designed with people resetting and with casual mode in mind, they will continue being bad. Ever since Awakening the games haven’t been balanced around permadeath and it sucks because this is one thing the series does great. Nowadays units are made to be party members instead of resources and it kills any hopes of offering a proper FE experience.
hmmmm if there are 5 tiers of promotion then having the levels not reset seems tolerable now, it could also possibly means that this game will be either very long or will be generous in giving out exp
Sweet! Elincia could use the refine, whatever it may be. I imagine Saizo and Kagero’s weapons will be similar in effect to each other and Oscar’s lance is likely just gonna be a beefed up Sapphire Lance since thats how its been with anyone that has a gem weapon. Don’t know what the special refines would be though.
I think “Help Retake Gaspard Castle” is story arc description, “Magdred Surprise Attack” is actual stage/battle name.
As you see, Magdred is just on the way from the Garreg-Mach Monastery to Gaspard.
So here is my assumption, in the end of June, you gonna take students to Gaspard for helping the church.
However, you and students are just attacked by enemy in half way at Magdred.
Are you sure you aren’t a detective in real life..? That’s pretty impressive!
I particularly appreciate the dates analysis. February 22nd certainly sounds like a plausible date for a game-changing event if everything expires on that day. If you are expected to be around level 15 in November, then around level 20 in February would make sense, which I’d expect is when you get the Advanced classes.
I really doubt the game would end right after getting the advanced classes, so there’s certainly going to be something after February. Plus, the various professor levels seems to be going up relatively slowly and there’s at least 10 of them (12 if it goes up to S+), so it has to go longer than that. Plus, I really doubt the game would be only 10-12 main maps long… but I also doubt it’s going to let you go all the way to level 60 with a class tier even higher than Advanced. It’d be nice if your theory is right, though!
I unfortunately have no clever observations to offer! The only thing I noticed (and it’s certainly not report-worthy) is that for the first time, characters seemingly will keep their bodies on reclass. The 2d games don’t have unique models for the characters, and in the 3d games either reclass doesn’t exist (FE9 and 10) or it’s just the character’s head on the default class models (3ds games). That lead to things like super buff Hayato as an oni, or Lucina with a giant chest as an archer, or Rinkah’s abs disappearing… Here, it looks like every character keep their own body no mater the class (see Raphael as fist fighter, or Petra), which is pretty neat considering how character classes are not fixed and how many there are.
I hope E3 shows at least one international (English) Trailer for the
game. So people who don’t use/know about sites and places like
serenesforest can get some kind of TLDR of the news we got since
february.
I like the fact that the mystical golden sword is likely to turn into a whip when used at 2 range. I would like to see that animation in a trailer.
“Kingdom Nobles’ Marriage (this one involves Dorothea and Ingrid).” What does this mean? Because if this means we’re getting a same gender couple instead of choosing who marries who, then I’m gonna set this one out.
I know I’m a bit late but I want to point out that there might be an even Crest split
1 Seiros Crest 1 Dark Crest (Byleth’s unknown Crest seems dark in nature)
10 Great Crests 10 unknown Crests that are not of the 10 Greats.
Since the 10 Greats are most definitely connected to Seiros this seems to be an 11v11 sort of thing
In terms of new characters true, but IS has been going a little too buck wild with alts for both Awakening and Fates for my tastes. I’m not saying this is a bad banner nor am I trying to hate on Awakening or Fates but it really wouldn’t kill IS to add characters from games that have fewer reps in Heroes like Sacred Stones or FE 4/5. Spread out the adding a little is all I’d like in all honesty.
What do you mean? there are only 11-12 Units left from Awakening (+3 if you count the Enemy)!
Joking aside, in my case as Tellius fan can´t complain, because many units already even have an alt!
I wish for a nice alt for Lute, too~
I didn’t do that but my brain spent awhile processing the trailer, I wasn’t really paying attention to the direct for a little while after the trailer finished.
I really hope that if any of the students died before the time-skip they’ll be mentioned by some of the surviving characters after the time-skip, maybe we’ll see memorials for them when they go back to the Monastery.
I did think of that too. But remember back in the February trailer they said about dealing with things like bandits “These may be class assignments but the stakes in each battle are very real. Whether your students live or die will depend on your leadership.” So I don’t think my idea is too into the realms of fantasy.
i really got “be careful who you call ugly in middle school”d by dimitri.. i kind of wish they had left the timeskip to be a surprise, but its sounding like itll be a huge factor into the game play (“both sides of time are open to you”).. so i can forgive them for this. im suddenly really excited for the game, and i am VERY interested in dimitri suddenly. not just because i like hard edgy guys with eyepatches i swear..looks like his character development will be the most interesting out of the main trio..
I think it was necessary. 😡 Hype for the game wasn’t that high. It’s nice to keep cool things a secret, but you have to let people know cool things are there in the first place.
It’s not too bad, though. When I played Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, I knew well in advance that there was a child and adult phase, and it didn’t harm my experience at all.
The fact that there’s a timeskip now shows me that there is more to Three Houses than a classroom simulator.
well, when i think about this stuff i think back to my experiences with Awakening specifically. i did not know any of the twists and went in blind and it was SUPER exciting and engaging! so to reveal stuff thats on par with awakening’s twists (i dont know how awakening was advertised at all) sort of bummed me out. but you’re right, it has also hyped me up for the game! but i think of it as something i’d have want to seen for myself naturally in the game
Smash 4 wasn’t that kind to people that haven’t played Awakening.
I remember Etika (I get he’s kinda infamous in our community) spoiling a lot of people with Marth being Lucina.
“Hype for the game wasn’t that high.”
Where have you been? It’s been pretty high lately due to the influx of news the past 2 months after being left in the dark for a year.
I agree and disagree. While there’s plenty of reasons to show there’s a time skip, one being for people like me who want to plan ahead; it does ruin the surprise for some who are more “sensitive” to spoilers. Oot is a very old game, and is well known for it’s timeskip/travel mechanic like FE 4 is for it’s two generations. Granted I have met people who were oblivious to that.
All those news wer eposted in a Japanese video game magazine and on Japanese twitter. Very few people actually know about it, especially outside of Japan. And even among those who took part in the news there was still a notable amount of criticism over the emphasis on the school, the homogenous character designs and the lack of a defined conflict.
All I see from people on news sites lately is how much they hate the character designs, or how IS has run out of ideas, or how it doesn’t have a Fire Emblem feel. There is not much optimism for it. That kind of reception will kill the game before it even has a chance to prove itself.
really not digging older Edelgard’s red-on-red-on-red get up. and.. that’s the only negative thing i have to say!
this trailer seriously restored hype for me for 3 houses. it really makes me want to pre-order it, but unfortunately i’ll be out camping release week. ): older Dimitri and Claude are absolutely stunning. i’m not a fan of this character designer, and was convinced that despite her(?) history with otome, she couldn’t design attractive men. guess i was wrong!
i mentioned it in the intial post, but what’s grabbing me the most here is how certain character’s may have developed and changed. Dimitri being the most obvious.. and most intriguing, in my opinion. i really, REALLY like what’s happening here. i haven’t been this excited for 3h since the initial trailer. 😀
This isn’t what I expected, and that’s why it was so amazing!
Ever since the first trailer, I knew there’d be a time skip with the three lords being good friends and then get exposed to the realities of war. I just wasn’t expecting it to be years! I had this exact same problem with Endgame: I thought they’d skip 5 months and then they said years! So that means this game has to delivery a lot to justify it
The lords are exactly how I envisioned them to turn into over time, though I think they’re still technically allies. And the only side character I’ve been curious about is Rea. These creepy still frames of her tell me nothing, but her intro video implies her to be important so I REALLY hope she isn’t evil. The ‘villains’ seem just as generic as Garon, but that could change soon.
And as for Byleth…. they’re OK. They and Nemesis must have some sort of connection to the bone sword, the hair change is stupid but heart pumping and their connection to the lord you pick must really have a deep (platonic) relationship.
If you’re gonna deep dive into the leaks later on I’ll just want to warn you that Thani made a lot of posts over a long period of time and not everything is in the compilation thread. Here’s some posts that aren’t in said thread, taken from Thani’s post history. It contians information about the Church, Marianne, Jeralt and Dimitri’s childhood friends:
we can give Rhea a gift? seems like she will not be a villain in the future time
So many interesting idea and concept here, like unrestricted class and class branch, hidden talent, etc.
i dont know how or why can FE fans still hating this title. Haters gonna hate i guess :/
maybe just me, but i hope older Version of Three House leaders are a separate character (not affected by your chosen class in school time) so we can see them in “canon” future class, and our “preferred” class. or make them as Green/NPC unit in the future with boosted stat as adult
People like FE for different reasons. Older fans generally do not like when the systems offer too much freedom, and would prefer when the gameplay is more restricted. This game is literally the opposite of what we want.
Er, speaking as an older fan myself, I’m fine perfectly fine with the idea of broadly customizable units as long as the units in question retain some real sense of individuality. And if you really want more “restrictive” gameplay, why not just impose those restrictions on yourself? It’s not like solo-unit runs have ever been built into previous games, or really even encouraged, but people still do them.
Then you’re probably not as hardcore about the series as I am. If you were, then you would know exactly where the strengths of the series lies. Hint: it’s not in building units, having complex systems, or in grinding. The best games are the ones with minimal systems but engaging scenarios.
If you want the whole truth rather than just a hint, I’ll lay it out for you. Fire Emblem has transitioned from a linear, resource based, scenario driven SRPG into a semi-linear progression based JRPG on a grid. And it fucking sucks.
“Then you’re probably not as hardcore about the series as I am.” …Mmmkay. Sure.
Anyway, my argument here is that if you want to ignore all the tutoring, roaming sections, and mid-month skirmishes, you can. There’s a command specifically for skipping past all that and jumping right to the next key battle. If you want to avoid all reclassing and go straight down a single promotion path for a given unit, you can.
Nice job with disregarding all I said. My point still stands. FE is not the same anymore, and self-imposed challenges are not the same as a game coherently built around around said challenges. I bet you would also consider FE8 to function the same way as CQ.
All I’m seeing is the Echoes system in a new entry. Personal magic and combat skills are enough to tell me this is farther away from normal FE from anything that isn’t named Echoes.
I haven’t directly addressed your complaints because I’m very unclear on what you actually object to. I see the gradual evolution of a series that continues to try new ideas rather than stagnate and die. I can only presume you see differently, but I fail to see what your specific complaints are. Story? Map design? “Scenario” can mean a lot of different things in this context.
I think Sacred Stones and Conquest are very different games for a variety of reasons, but that they’re obviously built on the same conceptual framework. I think the same for every game in the franchise, even the odd ducks like Gaiden and Shadows of Valentia. As for personal magic lists, they’re anything but complicated, and the manually activated combat arts present in SoV and 3H are ultimately a much easier concept to grasp, and to make use of, than the randomly-activated class skills present in Sacred Stones.
Regardless, the reason I replied in the first place was to make it clear that not all veteran players hate what Three Houses appears to be shaping up into.
I literally wrote what I’m objecting to. FE has turned into a more party-styled unit system since the 3DS games where unit progression is such an important aspect of the gameplay that losing one can be nearly unrecoverable. This is also one of the ways the games are not really balanced around permadeath anymore. If you can look with a straight face and say that the changes to the formula that shift the style of the games away from being unique SRPGs into generic JRPGs are good, then more power to you. That just proves my initial statement of you not valuing the core aspects of the series enough to be disappointed to see them gone.
Regarding scenarios: We’ve seen a bunch of systems so far but as Awakening proves, we’re going to need engaging gameplay scenarios to make said systems satisfying. There can be skills, intricate formations, and deep progression, but if every map is an open field rout objective like in that game, everything is going to fall flat. Nothing of what we’ve seen yet shows that the map design has been improved. Depth is also not necessarily a good thing, which holds true in particular for skills.
i understand your point, but it is unavoidable. every major franchise that i know went past 6th or so series start to differ greatly from earlier installment: Tales, Shining, FF, etc.
are people starting from Binding blade considered older fans? i like new ideas for gameplay mechanic, didnt like meaningless fanservice, but still want support system included. beat almost every FE starting from Roy to Alm (remake)
soo.. am i older or newer fans :/ ?
My first game was Sacred Stones back in 2005. I’d say as long as you started playing them before Awakening came out you’d probably be considered an older fan. Preferences of the games themselves don’t really have anything to do with it.
Thanibomb had actually leaked a while ago that Rhea would, in fact, be recruitable. Considering that Manuela can join you as well, I would assume that most – if not all – of the teachers can join you.
Thanks for another great analysis.
One thing I found interesting: When you look at the screenshot with the advanced classes you can see a scroll bar to the far right, suggesting there will be another tier of classes (which makes me very happy).
I wonder why they removed the weapon triangle and what the advantages will be using different kind of weapons vs the same enemy…
Great analysis. But I don’t think she outright said that the weapon triangle is no more. She just said it’s more about the combat arts this time around.
I know what you mean, but on a base level, it’s gone. I was gonna talk about the Combat Arts, but I kinda forgot, haha.
Also, we know that there are (passive) Professor Skills that grant breaker skills. I guess those ones will have a different name though, if there are indeed breaker-type Combat Arts.
Thats probably more for space than anything else cause I imagine having each of the characters’ full 3D models in each class would take up a lot of room. Makes it a little easier to find the class you want that particular student to be in if nothing else.
In the Nintendo Treehouse E3 presentation it was revealed that you can actually recruit multiple characters and that they will already join you before the time skip. Also, Thanibomb had leaked well over a month ago that Claude would become a wyvern rider as his final unique class.
I knew about the unique final class, but I was worried about the lack of the actual Wyvern Rider class in general gameplay, had only seen Pegasi as flying units up to this point. It’s possible development changed to allow multiple recruits, Thani did say his info was from early on.
the old guy actually says “So the fell star (…)” which could refer to the Seiros or even Sothis as their name are alternate versions of the star named Sirius
Some thing I noticed in the Nintendo coverage is that Byleth’s sword seems to have durability, which I find really strange if it’s supposed to be a legendary weapon. Maybe instead of breaking like normal weapons it needs to recharge like the Master Sword in Breath of the Wild, or maybe it just looses the red glow and becomes a less powerful weapon when the durability is depleted. Also Ignace has been translated as Ignatz, not sure how I feel about that.
Ignace had never been a correct translation of his name. If you romanize his name イグナーツ, you end up with Igunaatsu. Just from looking at it one can easily tell that it is far more similar to the German name Ignatz than the English Ignace and, considering that a lot of the names in Three Houses are, in fact, German, it was only logical to translate his name as such.
according to the treehouse coverage, you can pursue romantic relationships after the 5 year timeskip. i don’t have time to fully peruse your analysis right now, but it sounds like the treehouse demo may have showed off elements left out of gamespot’s!
I know leaks are unstoppable, but I hope I’m not the only one who hates leaks for their spoilery nature.
The time skip and a lot of other things too would have been a huge reveal (even if it was already hinted in the very first game trailer by who we presumed to be Edelgard. Though back then Christina Vee still voiced her and that just recently got changed to Kira Buckland, we assume. Maybe that hinted timeskip got Vee kicked out? It’s a bit of a far stretch, but possible…) if thanibomb didn’t leak so much essential info.
I’m surprised Nintendo didn’t get their leaks handled, but maybe the FE fanbase was just a bit too hungry for new information and someone just had to drop the thanibomb? (haha bad joke/10)
And avoiding youtube, twitter and so on just because of leaks is just something I don’t want to do.
Very happy that there’s a dual language option, but does anyone know if the game is multi-language? Eg. If I purchase the Japanese copy of Three Houses, will I be able to toggle the game language from JP to EN as well?
Nintendo Switch games are not region locked. Most commonly, the games use the language of your system and, in certain cases like this one, allow you to change the language of the voice over.
I believe there hasn’t been any confirmation either way. If I find out, I’ll try to mention it. I heard the Japanese preorder page only mentions Japanese support but I haven’t checked it yet. That info could be outdated too.
Paralogues are optional chapters/battles focusing on one or multiple characters. Interestingly, the first one focuses on Sothis. She doesn’t seem to be a character you can interact with in the monastery, but there are events related to her at least.
You forget, she was in Byleth’s room right when the stream started. Presumably you can interact with her in some capacity.
I mention Sothis when the monastery map appears. She isn’t listed as an occupant when your personal quarters are selected. That’s why I said you (probably) can’t interact with her.
not sure if people noticed it in the gameplay video or the one that’s new from gamespot(12min) the sword of creator only has 20 durability, that’s so little imo, i hope there are ways to repair it outside of a hammern(if hammern is even in this game) and then what if there are sword of creator exclusive combat arts then rip weapon durability
I’m going to predict that maybe it runs off BotW Master Sword rules? The crest specific weapons are very powerful, but have limited uses that recharge in between battles; that way you can use the exclusive weapons but can’t just mow down the entire game with them. If would be very annoying if we backtracked to older FE games where they were one and done weapons.
either that or genealogy repair system, i really don’t want to go back to old FE of legendary weapons having limited uses imo because it makes me just not want to use it because there’s almost no way to get it back at all save for a couple of hammern uses
Similar to what someone else said, I get the feeling the legendary weapons will operate like magic. You have a certain amount of uses for them, but they’ll recharge afterwards.
With only 20 uses, they’d have to get repaired A LOT if that’s not the case, given how much the combat arts wear down the weapon.
A note on your last observation about the turncount; the hosts say that there were two mutually exclusive objectives for the map, (1) kill all regular enemies, or (2) defeat the difficult Death Knight.
The 25 turns is a time limit to do either of those, and the map ends because the player defeats all the regular enemies.
For some etymology for people, The Dagda is an Irish god and one of the most powerful of the Tuatha Dé Danann. He had a consort in The Morrígan and he had a daughter named Brigit, sometimes spelt as Brigid, much like another place in Fódlan. Teutates is an alternative spelling of Toutatis, who was a Celtic tribal protector.
This also isn’t the first time FE has referenced Dagda and Brigid. Brigid was a Sniper in Genealogy and Dagda was the Warrior you start with in Thracia.
also in some other gameplay vids, forgot if it was ign or kotaku’s felix activated his crest in battle and did 17 damage but the battle forecasted damage is actually 12, not sure if it’s gonna help or anything regarding what crests do
I’m going to make a request that will likely get ignored, which is fine. Please do NOT cover the leaks in any capacity. Leaks are very harmful when they are as large as these have been for Three Houses. As far as I’m aware, companies view them as harmful to their sales given only people who are already fans seek them out, so they certainly don’t gain sales, and people who become disenchanted with the game won’t buy, so they do lose sales.
I ask this as a fan of the Tales of series, which had a period in which nothing got localized and it was likely due to leaks and BandaiNamco’s anger over them. It’s probably more complicated than that, but the timeline of events certainly hint at it.
Anyways, thanks for the coverage of the official info. I look forward to your coverage of the game itself upon release.
hoo boy, it seems there are at least decent amount of activity, that school setting is more than a gimmick like i thought before. looking forward to buy switch just for this game 😀
Felix’s extra damage likely comes from his personal skill, which deals +5 damage when he has no battalion. And about Sylvain’s retreat, one of the first thing I noticed was the defeat condition being “All of your units fall in battle”, with no special mention of Byleth or Dimitri. Wonder if that’s just for demo purposes or if that’s how the free weekend battles work
“All your units fall in battle” was how Casual Mode worked in Fates. Corrin’s defeat didn’t give a Game Over, only a complete wipe. In Awakening, Chrom or Robin’s defeat (but not Lucina’s) was still a Game Over even on Casual.
So maybe this demo was on Casual? I forget if Casual in Echoes still had Alm and Celica dying being a Game Over.
I noticed two things in the Kotaku video. One is that Ashe did not have Curved Shot available as an art it seemed, where he did in the other two videos, not sure what’s up with that. The other is that in the Kotaku video, Dedue gets to double up with gauntlets when he attacks, but in the Enemy Phase, he gets attacked and his counterattack does not double up. Seems like gauntlets only double up in the player phase?
and we still don’t know what those smithing stones that some activities gives us, like sure it’s gonna be for forging but how does it comes to play there and how extensive is the forging feature in here compared to previous FE games
I really don’t like the three branching stories concept, more specifically being forced to join the house you taught during the war. I also don’t like that you will likely have to play through all 3 paths to get the full story. At the very least I hope the three stories converge into the same one by the end of the game regardless of the house you chose to teach. Aside from that the E3 coverage really got me hyped again after the last direct that was all about school stuff.
Look at it this way, at least you don’t have to pay an arm and a leg (at least $40 for US players, don’t know for other countries but probably about the same amount in their currency) for three separate games like we had to for Fates. I mean yeah there was the special edition but that was double the price of either Conquest or Birthright alone.
I never bothered buying conquest or revelations. I am just not going to support that kind of business model, and also what I saw of the conquest story was horrible. But I agree with you, this is definitely better.
Yeah, I think IS learned their lesson from that particular stupid marketing attempt. Since they aren’t trying that again with Three Houses. I’ve played a little of Conquest (I got Birthright and then the other two as DLC at half price when they came out) but the dialogue was rather depressing and I just couldn’t force myself to play it, but yeah lots of people say the story was terrible but the gameplay was good. Revelations was just considered bad overall.
I know, I frequent GameFAQ a lot and mostly the Fire Emblem boards and see either people bitching about how bad Conquest’s story is or praising its gameplay (aside from this one guy called Endgame and his multiple accounts who constantly acts like a broken record and says the same thing over and over about being able to cheese the game on Lunatic/Classic with just Xander, I find that hard to believe cause RNG can be rather fickle when it wants to, same with Birthright except Ryoma is in Xander’s place). Nobody really says much about the maps though.
ah endgame lol infamous troll of gamefaqs
i think map designs is what conquest absolutely nailed down imo it’s varied the difficulty is great( or hard depending on your taste) and actually shows off the mechanics of fates
I’m guessing you frequent there too if you know that wannabe know-it-all lol. I did mostly Pheonix/Easy mainly to get a feel of the game but even then one screw and RNG being an ass and you lose a unit even if they do come back instantly (yes I’m a filthy casual but I’m not like most who are gonna go gunge ho and into high difficulty expecting it to be super easy, lol yeah not when RNG is involved).
i used to frequent there but there are other better places now to get information from and talk to people online like discord of dedicated sites for some games, so i just stopped going there at all
Yeah thats probably for the best, its gotten to the point some are just making stupid polls on who has the best chest amongst the female characters and some that are just but some of the more annoying “wifu” fanboys. Now I got nothing against those that have a “wifu” but I don’t like it when they get obnoxious to the point they’re practically shoving it in everyone’s face.
personally branching path jrpgs get me REALLY excited! …as long as theyre done well (see: growlanser, megaten, etc) which fates certainly wasnt. hopefully the fact theyre not selling it as 3 separate games means they learned smth from fates; but well just have to wait and see i guess! stylistically the ui and terrain reminds me of tellius and i like what weve seen of every character except sothis thus far, those giant cryptid demon things and holy war setting sound real intriguing. not holding my breath but im actually reappy hype
To each their own I guess; I’m glad someone else likes this at least. Nevertheless, the branching paths are only a minor thing for me. What I’m liking is that they seem to have taken a lot from Echoes, such as combat arts, learning magic spells as you level up, long range archers with what looks like a range penalty (would make a lot of sense and add to combat depth), no weapon triangle (I think), and it looks like when weapons’ durability depletes they don’t permanently break (a huge plus for me since I hate breaking weapons and micromanaging them ALL THE TIME; would personally like no durability but this is a nice in-between). The hype is real.
thats true! i play for story > gameplay and i hadnt seen the newest story trailer til a little after posting my last comment but now.. i dont think ive been this hype from a trailer since we were tryna figure out who masked marth vs zombies was lol! i personally wasnt into echoes magic leveling thing bc it stuck out so much, but now that its a general thing i think imma really like it tbh. re: range penalty, i remember tellius had a shooting higher terrain penalty and iirc at least longbows had shit hit rate in gba, but overall it feels super fresh and if the leaks continue ti be totally true werr in for a spiritual successor to tellius/geneology. man, july cant come gast enough now
I’m so pumped for this! Full va! Weapons durability! Seemingly custom storyline! Great unit interaction (including romances yes I like this if done right)!
I find it interesting that they mention that normal and hard are available at the start. Maybe lunatic mode will be unlocked after beating the game once?
I wish they’d remove lunatic altogether and just make the game’s actually challenging to begin with. You dont have to arbitrarily slap high tier equipment and impossible skills on enemies to do this.
that would cause idk some backlash in some fans of FE, i think making it an option is the best compromise we can have at this point, after all not everyone can handle a hard FE game
I’m not asking for a lot. I just want consistency. I dont want enemies with basically cheated stats and skills. I want normal difficulty bumped up a notch or two to be at least roughly in line with the GBA games and Hard up even further. Keep the casual and the “turnwheel” for beginners or the less tactically minded and go from there.
I also want level limits and so far they have abandoned that since they introduced it in Awakening so thats nice.
When it comes down to it the reason they added Lunatic and + was to give a challenge to people who had DLC and a wiki to max out characters. In Conquest they mitigated this by limiting grinding like previous games but Birthright was very easy by comparison. The introduction of DLC is really what has facilitated this mode. When you can theoretically grind forever then even Hard can be easy because your characters are maxxed out. So idk. Either DLC grindmaps have to stop (no way they are losing that money stream) or they do what I Shadows of Valencia and Conquest did and limit the total number of levels you get but maximize the skills you can acquire with careful management and then build Hard around that or they just cheat the enemy to be so OP you have to practically cheat yourself to have a chance.
This game looks like they mitigate this in “school” phase by limited your time to develop characters and then “war” phase they fight with what you guided them on with little more input beyond levels and tactics.
i think having the options for casual players, and people who loves challenging gameplay is already consistent enough, shadow dragon remake had it, the fe3 remake also had it, same with awakening and fates, i think it’s only SoV that didn’t have lunatic and lunatic+ but I’ll chalk that one up to being a very faithful remake
not sure if it’s gonna be present in this game though, i hope it is, or if not at least a dlc, i hope
Something interesting I noticed in the Kotaku footage. Upon re-winding the map, Dimitri got the exact same level up he did the first time. Maybe the game pre-rolls levels ups at the start of each map to prevent Divine Pulse abuse for better gains?
I think it’s the same as it was in Echoes, then! (Correct me if I’m wrong) I think the game pre-rolled level ups so that you’d have to completely re-load the map in order to have the game roll new level ups in that game, as well.
Didn’t the Reddit leak say that the game has same-sex romance galore or am I misremembering? Don’t want to check because I almost forgot all leaked story bits and I don’t want to respoil myself lol.
Without saying who’s an option and all, the leak mentioned some same-sex options, but definetely not tons of them. Also there would be apparently more options for F!Byleth rather than M!Byleth.
The only people insulted by ‘arbitrary inclusion’ are people who are a part of the majority instead of the minority. Sincerely, a lesbian. P.S. by that logic nature also practices ‘arbitrary inclusion’ since there are people who are black/gay/bi etc for no reason other than they were born that way.
You didn’t get what I said obviously. I would be insulted if my specific demographic was shoehorned into media to somehow get my buy. Apparently you don’t suffer from this standard. If not insulted aren’t you at least aware the only reason they include such things is to get you to buy it? Like look at Valbar and Leon. Thats an example of it being fine. Niles and Rhajat are not. Its just there to check a box. Hell Rhajat is a double whammy cause she is fanservice from Awakening… but I guess that makes it a little ok.
Then you here rumors of multiple same sex stuff in a game based on time periods that this was especially rare. Incest was more common and indeed there are incest options in some games.
You guys are alright with this? The only case where this should be ok is in the case of Byleth’s options for people such as yourself and even then only if its appropriate. I don’t like the trope that changes characters sexuality only in regards to the player character. I wouldn’t want a lesbian, who is clearly a lesbian character to be attracted to a Male Byleth just because. You get what I am saying here?
if there are no same-sex support options.. my interest in this game is seriously going to dip. everything else is really exciting for me! it took til E3 for them to really really sell the game to me, and i’m super excited. but being unreasonably excluded (yes, i believe only have 1 same-sex marriage option is unreasonable)..its kind of like a spit in the face. not to say it makes the game bad or awful or homophobic even. but its just like.. 🙁
S supports are traditionally the marriage marker, but we know marriage is only available post-time skip, so it stands to reason that you can’t even see the marriage supports until during the war phase. so maybe there’s like.. an SS or S+ support..? or something, haha, i dont know.. i’m in my bargaining phase right now ): that screenshot is clearly from the school phase, so.. maybe we can’t draw any conclusions from it.
The thanibomb leaks (which are basically confirmed now, having a ton of details confirmed in the new trailer from them) do elaborate on some same-sex options. Apparently a few more lesbian ones than male-on-male ones.
to be blunt, f/f supports mean nothing to me! i’m actually not into pairing up other units without the addition of child units (i reeeeally enjoy minmaxing and pairing up based on ideal stat output), and even if kids were in fe3h.. i imagine same-sex couples wouldn’t be able to have kids. so if there is more f/f than m/m.. i’ll still feel kinda burned. its better than nothing, i suppose! beggars can’t be choosers (though IS really should respect their lgbt player base a bit more..)
i’ve been assuming that thanibomb played an early demo/was a tester and under that assumption, i’ve been banking on not all of the supports being added, or not all of the support decisions being final.. either way. when switch hacking becomes more accessible, there will definitely be same-sex mods that ill play to death, like the ones for awakening and fates.
How can someone be more respectful to the LGBT community than including them in the first place? How much catering to .3% of a population of people (only a fraction of which are specifically interested in videogames and an even further fraction of which play Fire Emblem) do they need to do exactly?
I mean sure, despite it not making sense in a medieval setting, include them for the sake of having them if you can write them in a good way but this arbitrary inclusion should be insulting the the LGBT community but instead they are never happy and demand more.
Another great write-up Vincent! Loving all that you’re doing. Just one quick thing I want to suggest though, when Sylvain retreated you presented the idea that he was doing this because the game is still in school mode. Whilst that’s a likely explanation the failure condition for this map was having every unit die (as seen at the beginning of the GameSpot video) which makes me think it’s actually in casual mode and that this mode is slightly different to previous casual modes being more relaxed.
Can’t wait to read your future articles and finally being able to play the game!
From the original trailer, where the fight between Seiros and Nemesis occurs, Nemesis is wielding the Sword of the Creator. This is assuming those are Seiros and Nemesis. Which is interesting since he’s wielding the Sword of the Creator and also bears the title of a Liberation King… Also Nemesis and Byleth share the crest they have. Getting back on topic, the Sword of the Creator is a hero relic granted by Seiros to one of the ten elites so that would imply that Nemesis was one of the ten elites and ended up turning against Seiros for some reason. There is definitely some possible foreshadowing for Byleth here.
that reason might be connected to why he is called “the liberation king” and when FE three houses was first shown off it was said that the land of fodlan is ruled/controlled by the church of seiros
Oh yeah, I don’t think the history of the 10 Elites from Twitter is the whole story. At some point, perhaps earlier, the Goddess also granted her power to various saints, including Seiros. From what I understand, Seiros is not an Elite but definitely has a crest. I am guessing Nemesis is a similar case. I wouldn’t be surprised if he “betrayed” the others though.
Yeah thats a good possibility. Hopefully we’ll get more info on the 10 Elites, I mean the game comes out in a little more than a month and while we do have some info its not enough to know everything about the game or its story.
So a question about Claude now arises… they showed the classes on their website, which lord has Sword Lance and Authority, but he uses bows as clear from the trailer, and only the 3 house leaders can be lords, so does that mean he gets jipped out of his specialty while leveling and dabbling into lord, before having to go back to archer?
I think that the weapons associated with classes just get a boost to the amount of experience gained towards Professor levels, since the restrictions on weapons in this game are very few. So I don’t think we’ll have to worry about gypping anybody unless we mount the potential gauntlet inheritor, but even then it wouldn’t be too hard to modify the character to fit the relic thanks to the new system.
As the other user said, the icons only correspond to what boost that class provides. All weapons can be equipped by all classes with a couple exceptions.
Those exceptions being that magic is restricted to certain classes and gauntlets can’t be used by mounted classes.
To agree with Disclaimer, Edelgard having Minor Seiros and Major Hresvelg wouldn’t be any different at all from Seliph in FE4 having Minor Naga and Major Baldus. So I would believe that.
I seriously want to know how this war started. And I don’t want the answer to be some evil dragon/mage magically manipulating the leaders but an organic believable reason. And it HAS to be believable, the whole premise hinges on that because during this time in school they would all have bonded to some degree.
I am also curious about min-maxxing in this game. timeskips and time management make me nervous about lots of missable moments because you didn’t train random person A to a specific level in a specific skill and so you miss a scene or they die 5 years in the future or whatever. I dont think i have the patience to juggle a Persona level exact play type of game that needs guides to work your way through.
could be some people like the faction which the death knight and flame emperor belongs to instigating the war, or the latest trailer felt like it was the adrestian empire who first struck the hostility and starting the whole war
Ah the evil empire trope strikes again. That’d be pretty lame. I would take multiple simultaneous false flag king slayings over then some rando on one side just starting a fight.
I’m just speculating, but it could go into the lines of like, since the trailer said that the land of fodlan is controlled by the church of seiros, some bigwigs in some kingdom don’t like that so they conspire to take the church out of the picture and launch a massive war in the name of world domination, or something, i mean jrpg story ain’t exactly an award winning piece
You obviously haven’t played earlier Fire Emblems or FFX or Star Ocean or whatever. The whole thing that seperated JRPG from western ones was that they emphasized story and specticle over freedom. Its really sad that the new normal is trash writing instead of the greats of the past. FE4 in this very series stands out.
i’ve played them all and frankly most of them are overused cliches jrpgs aren’t known for stellar writing, star ocean tried to differentiate itself by having sci fi for its story but phantasy star did that already, the FFX hardly did anything note worthy and so did X-2, if anything in my opinion out of all the FF FF6 has the best story out of all of them followed by FF5, tactics ogre stood out too for idk was it parallelism(?) of real events of yugoslav war and bosnian genocide. jrpg cliche religious organization are always usually bad, another one is big bad hiding behind a powerful organization manipulating to start a war, another noteworthy game is megami tensei, and it’s successor shin megami tensei, though this one uses the themes of religion, free will, choice, and anarchy/chaos for its story but it’s really good
to understand my tastes in gaming more, like how will I know if I don’t like a game first if I’m not well experienced in my own tastes in gaming, and if it turns out my initial impression about the game is wrong I would note that and add it up to my experience
Well you should be glad then. Cause Three Houses looks like its gonna be quite Persona like with your time management. Which is boring and esoteric unlike the story and battle part of it.
Couple of things. First, the hand reaching for Dimitri definitely has a black glove, meaning it likely is Clause’s. Second, if Nemesis has been sealed away and isn’t dead, what of Seiros? Perhaps she too could be alive in some form, and Rhea does look almost exactly like her. What’s to say she isn’t masquerading as her own descendant to control the Church?
Yooo auto repair? Maybe Byleth can use HP to restore it, which is part of what makes their power so unique? That’s cool. I’m unnaturally excited for the warlock class, I love that name. If I had to guess, I’d say Paladin extra skill is the carryover Canto and Bishops get a carryover Double usage of heal. Thanks for all your hard work!
So General is pretty much getting a name change. I hope the localization actually keeps Phalanx.
They have at times disregarded new names in favor of old ones (like changing Trueblade to Swordmaster and Bowman to Archer in Fates). I hope that doesn’t happen.
Depends cause like True Blade in the Tellius games was the third tier class. As for Archer there’s no reason to not keep it archer. The Japanese version used a different name because i assume it conveys it’s a Japanese archer. That woukd’ve been lost to English speakers. While Samurai are well known so they kept that for Myrmidon.
The Hero class is probably only exsclusive in name (like the Butler and Maid from fates) maybe there is a Heroine class, with some minor alteration (like more speed and less health)
“but none for females” Research be hard! At this point, at this point, people are just fishing for reasons to be angry! Even if it means making up shit so they can say they are upset…..
Well, there is no female only class in this update, isn’t there? Also in Fates they had no class restriction at all and we could use male Pegasus Knights, but now they’re going away from that again.
Imho there should either be no class restriction or at least male and female units should have access to the same number of classes and should at least cover all archetypes.
Right now it just looks like male units have plain more options available.
Ur acting like IS has to tell u everything in one day! Other wise they are some evil monster….
“Imho there should either be no class restriction or at least male and female units should have access to the same number of classes and should at least cover all archetypes.”
Game is not even out yet! ur acting like what we know right now! Is 100% of the game, or that nothing extra will be in the game or shown at a later date! U sound like a spoiled child…
I really wish IntSys would stop making the villains look so over-the-top evil to the point where it’s comical. I know the series never really had nuance and sublety in that regard, but still…
Also, kinda weird that Byleth hasn’t changed at all in these 5 years (except for getting mint green colored hair I guess), but maybe there is some sort of justification for this.
But other than that, I’m really excited for this game. The class costumes continue to look great, specially the ones for the female mages.
I think Byleth’s appearance not changing, sans the hair, might have something to do with Sothis. This is just a guess of course since we really don’t know for certain.
it’ll be some kind of, hes a dragon/ chosen being and thus ages slowly nonsence. or just younger charicters changing more than older ones (more space to grow) cos it seem Felix (older looking charicter pre time skip) hasnt changed much while Bernedeta has at least brought a hair straitener
Rather than that, I think Byleth is stuck in time with Sothis for those five years. It would explain why there even is a time skip in the first place and it would also explain why they still look the same.
Looks like Anna’s not playable this time. Sucks for her fans that want her to be playable but nothing can be done about it. I’m honestly neutral to the idea of her being playable since in a way she’s like Fire Emblem’s version of the anime Pokemon’s Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny (anyone whose watched Pokemon will know what I mean).
Well aside from seeing her as the Secret Shop keeper, theres no other info pointing to her or one of her many “sisters” being playable. I mean its possible she’ll be playable during the War Phase but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Hmm I guess she would have to fit the bill. My first thought was Lorenz as well but then we saw the footage of his recruitment requirements. If not Hilda then maybe Lystheia or Marianne but they seem unlikely.
Maybe all charicters can be recruted as students but only some of those will remain by Bylith after the time skip depending on their loyalty to either side.
Just saw an comment on gamefaqs posted by Thanibomb (or however its spelt) saying Hilda is Claudes retainer. Tho I’m not saying its 100% true yet, it seems we were on the right course with our assumptions
I really wonder what is the number limit for recruiting students from other houses. There has to be a limit of some sort otherwise you’d just recruit nearly every student from the other houses, negating the point of even choosing one to begin with.
Well it’s limited by stats from what we’ve heard so that might be limiting enough depending on the stat requirements to recruit. Most people will want to focus their characters somewhat
Even if you don’t focus on a few specific stats and try to get everything, I highly doubt that these stats will be nearly enough to recruite even half of the students of the other houses. I would also assume that some event to to recruite them will cost you part of your stroll gauge, which would be a limiting factor as well.
Decided on a coin flip to go for Laegjarn and 200 orbs later I got her after 3 pity breakers. The stupid thing is I’m missing a few of 5 star exclusive blues and all 3 of my pity breakers were Fallen Berkut which I already had. No Silkie, Ylgr, Sumia which I don’t have or any useful fodder. Sorry to complain just needed to vent abit due to the ridiculousness of the situation.
Might be wrong about this since I can’t read Japanese, but I’ve noticed that that, as far as I can recall, we’ve only seen the Hero class in relation to Byleth. Are we sure it’s male only? Is it possible it’s actually Byleth only, like how in Radiant Dawn it was an Ike exclusive class?
Just want some undeniable confirmation here since it seems like such a odd step.
Thanks once more for the update. I really do hope they make the targetting symbols for your characters optional (so you can turn it on/off in the options). It makes the AI even more exploitable and I’d like to be able to add a bit more of a challenge by not having it there. The aggro lines are a great addition though, since you don’t have to keep track of individual enemy ranges – might even play without a danger zone, just with the lines instead.
the eurospain video also showed another named character when it was showing the map, in the knight office/hall? the one where jeralt is, and is named rodrigue, I’m not sure if that’s a new character
The Danger indicators with hit/damage values pre-calculated is simply fantastic! One of the best aspect of the Fire Emblem games in my opinion is that you could actually calculate how much damage you might take, combined with the enemies exact attack range. Having the game pre-calculate that for you is even better and allow you to make an informed strategy. Very, very good innovation in my opinion!
Some hopes/ thoughts on the war phase. I hope the actual war between the 3 plays out in prologues. That would give you more freedom with who to attack and when without compromising the main story.
Another thought, I’m curious how the supports between Byleth and people will play ou . From what I can see Byleth is standard silent protagonists where people just talk for u and u pick dialogue options at appropriate points. Maybe itll b like Personas social links where u learn more about that character and say encouraging things.
Are you sure it says that the Death Knight and Flame Emperor are part of the Nightcrawlers? I’m asking because in the map where you fight the Death Knight the enemies faction is listed as “Flame Emperor” rather than “Nightcrawlers”.
Yeah, it says they’re separate from the Nightcrawlers. I kind of skim-read that part originally.
“Last time, we introduced the Flame Emperor and Death Knight, but we’ve discovered another mysterious force separate from them called the “Nightcrawlers!”
I can sort of see it, but we know Raphael and Ignatz can be recruited from Treehouse Live. I think if the option was unavailable, the colour would be a lot more obvious (or the option would be completely absent).
Thanks for chronicling all of this information. Really liking everything about the game at this point *apart from* the absolutely baffling decision to make Hero male-only; extra strange since both Byleths have been shown as primarily progressing through the Mercenary class. One hopes the final selection of classes will make up for this shortfall on the female end in some way.
The new system of retaining durability but not actually losing the weapon sounds like a good balancing factor, so I look forward to seeing how the game plays with that in mind.
For every house there will only be certain students you can get not all furthermore because of the different conditions as well as the limited time you won’t be able to recruit many. Three or four I guess maybe even five.
You mentioned that Bernadetta has Strengths in Bows, Lances, and Heavy Armor, but Weaknesses in Swords, Axes, and Fighting. I don’t see the star symbols indicating a Hidden Talent, so does she not have any? Or did they already unlock it?
I think it is in Riding, because I remember when there was the video of the flying practice with Edelgard and Bernadetta, Bernadetta was average with Flying.
If I remember correctly, Bernadetta had a neutral level in Flying, as we saw her get a decent boost in it during a clip with her and Edelgard practicing Flying Training, so maybe her hidden talent is in Riding?
and he’s suggesting to instate a new emperor, and he’s the what was it prince of the faerghus kingdom? i haven’t read much medieval setting novels but wouldn’t that suggest going to war and supporting someone who has a right to the throne and instating that someone to replace the current ruling emperor?
Wow, that Cronje holding the dagger screenshot is awful! I know her arm is supposed to be foreshortened, but her black gloves have no distinguishing features that would help show/portray that. The pose instead makes her arm look really short!
Thanks for the constant stream of information! Are you planning on including a section about what requirements students have for Byleth in order to be recruited away from their house? Or perhaps add that on to their character page. Like: to be recruited, so and so requires _____ and _____. Would be great to keep up with it all.
What’s the point of making Hero and Dark Mage male-only? I also wish they made Pegasus Knight gender neutral again. These gender differences make no sense to me.
Oh no, Being Inc. Youtubers beware, they LOVE muting videos with their music. Anyone planning on LP-ing 3 Hourses might want to mute parts of the game that have the full lyrical theme.
Last summer it took me over 400 orbs to get Tana, and this time it only took around 160. I also got a Flannel as a bonus so I can’t complain really. Now her -atk is gone too which is nice.
I’m pretty sure Lysithea’s death was stated to happen before the end of the timeskip. so unless there’s some kind twist where her corpse is being possessed by someone I think this is the one major part that can be classified as “Seemingly False”. Also, Seteth hasn’t been confirmed as a Wyvern Rider yet. Also, the leak called Byleth’s crest “The Crest of Creation” rather tha n”The Crest of Flames”, so I guess that’s also wrong though it’s a pretty minor detail. “The Thunder” doesn’t seem to be Catherine’s nickname but rather the name of her sword in Japanese.
Lysithea was only mentioned to have 5 years left to live. For all we know she can be an Arran, or die sometime after the timeskip.
The Crest of Creation seems to be the Fire Emblem of the game, so it would make sense as to why it would have multiple names (see: Lehran’s Medallion).
Seteth is shown to b a wyvern rider in the E3 playthrough. The player briefly looks at the people when picking who to eat soth and its shown Seteth is a level 9 Wyvern Rider at that point. Super low level so I’m not sure what that means exactly
The information she got could’ve been earlier on in development so a lot of little name changes like Byleths crest is pretty irrelevant. You can also tie Lysitheas death to how you can save Kaze in Birthright, just requiring prerequisites like a side mission to save her dying body.
To be honest, it can kind of make sense given Adrasteia is closely associated with the Church of Seiros. But yeah, the fact that that path is associated with the lone female protagonist doesn’t paint the best picture.
I was thinking the same thing, the trailers give the impression that Adrestia is completely all for the church, whilst Fhaergus is the total opposite. Obviously the game isn’t gonna be so black and white about it ( and possibly have Edelgarde ultimately renounce the church or something like that), but the Leicester Alliance seems the most fitting for an extra “neutral” path.
Wait… letting the lone female protagonist get 2 paths is problematic but letting a male protagonist get 2 wouldn’t be? Don’t you realize how blatantly sexist that is?
Considering female lords always seem to get the short end of the stick in every iteration of FE so far it’s about time we get a female lord that is actually more important than her male counterparts.
Alm takes Celica’s spotlight in 2/15, both Eliwood and Hector overtake Lyn in 7, Ike takes Micaiah’s in 10, etc.
Lyn’s spotlight is specifically the early Prologue Chapters, which Eliwood has only a secondary part in and Hector has maybe two lines total for. If you mean Lyn was shafted because she didn’t also get her own unique path after being the main character for the entire section meant to teach new players the basics of FE, that’s a slightly different matter.
I intitally thought it was favoritism for the “canon” route, but after talking to a friend they made me realize that it makes sense assuming she’s a zealot. The second route would be convincing her to stop or bailing from her extremism. Of course this is all just speculation but it warmed me up to it a little. I still dont like it but it makes more sense.
Also, she might be the one most motivated to investigate the Church of Seiros, considering the close connection between it and the Empire, so one route may be that and the other may be a more conventional war. Even then, she doesn’t seem like one for much compromise…
As for the idea of female Lords being overshadowed, that’s true, but I feel parity is the better solution than opposite weightage. Besides, in Celica’s case, she had her own spotlight right to the end, and it was only working together that ended Duma, even if Alm struck the final blow.
Yeah I’d like if each character could unlock the neutral path but that it”d require a set of specific prerequisites that you have to jump a couple of loops over.
Edelgard’s other path is probably a secret ending or some sort, possibly a true ending, that would have requirements to unlock it (maybe finish all three paths?) since a fourth path isn’t mentioned anywhere in official sources. Also tbh I don’t rly mind with Edelgard being marketed as the “main lord” since female lords are usually overshadowed by their male counterparts, but I hope this doesn’t harm Dimitri’s and Claude’s story in any way. They don’t have to share spotlight story-wise, but I hope Intsys doesn’t neglect the other two’s storyline just because they’re not “canon”.
I wouldn’t really say its favoritism, she’s more the “poster child” than the other two so at least in my mind it makes sense. Plus it probably makes more sense actually in the story if this is true.
I see a lot of it as fake. I feel this article was too generous. There is information that has been blatantly wrong like the crest and character backgrounds, but this makes it sound like the whole thing is genuine. You also didn’t mention how the “leaker” themselves claimed at least some of the information was indeed false.
“Given the huge amount of info, it’s not unreasonable that she remembered wrong.” .. yeah or you know, we could remain skeptical until parts are directly confirmed. P.s. no girls on the internet.
I’ll give you thani did say she embellished some of it. However, a fair amount of what she’s said ended up being true or mostly true. Do I believe it’s 100% true? God no, but, again, a lot of “out there” information such as the time skip have given her credibility which is why Vincent made this post.
Nothing outright has been blatantly wrong lol
While games are still in development, a lot can still be altered
You can think what you want its your opinion, but the facts are out there..there’s only a bit that isn’t unconfirmed and just little blunders here and there.
Ashe for me here he is cute, but i hope for something more like after the school you know teacherXstudent is a really idk how to say it…..ugh taboo for me, and the last thing is MARIANNE BEST WAIFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is Fire Emblem. Not a dating sim. Any romance implementation is going to be weak regardless of what they do, since it’s not organically implemented like in FE4.
I understand the whole “fire emblem has become too waifu” shtick, but since it’s evident that romance is here to stay in the newer games in the franchise they might as well add some varied same gender romance options for a portion of the fanbase that wants it. (Note that I’m not saying all of them should be romanceable by the same sex, since characters like Sylvain and Lorenz for instance have traits that would conflict with that sort of thing).
Don’t bother. This guy is clearly homophobic, probably still in the closet, and will latch on to anything that will justify his never ending need to opress gay folks.
I don’t think that’s the case considering their most recent comment, but they most certainly should have elaborated more on what they actually thought from the beginning. I can’t say the same for fritz freak though, that one clearly just doesn’t like anything remotely gay or in their words: “weird”.
Trust me, I do. Ever since Awakening showed how that particular system was poorly integrated into the plot and gameplay I’ve stood in stark contrast to it. It wasn’t my intention to come across as against homosexual romance options in particular; I hate the romance aspect as a whole.
I can somewhat understand that, since both fates and awakening did a poor job in that aspect. I’ve always thought that the format of C-S for romantic supports was insufficient considering that the majority of characters get very little screen time. I think that next time you should lead with the other one of your comments that I replied to so you can avoid any misunderstandings like this. But hey, at least I think we can both agree on one thing: THANK HECK FOR NO POORLY IMPLEMENTED SECOND GEN CHARACTERS. No more baby realms for us.
A bit odd to respond to a two week old chain of comments, but okay. There’s no need to put so much fucking vitriol in your responses even after I’ve explained my reasoning. And then you have the balls to correct me without even knowing me personally? Piss off.
As for homosexual vs. gay, I am not an avid follower of the semantic differences within topics I have no interest in. You know what I meant and the fact that you only picked out that specific part of my message tells me you only want to start beef and nothing else.
Not interested in the costumes but the other two DLCs have my interest. Heres hoping they aren’t outrageously expensive like SoV’s were. Hopefully they’ll be like $5 U.S.D. (technically its $4.99 but I like to round it up to the nearest dollar). Still, its true that its no surprise that they had DLC in the works even if its nothing too impressive.
All DLC since Awakening has been despicable. Nowadays FE only exists because of how easy it is to churn out each entry and then milk them with horrible DLC practices. That’s the real reason Nintendo pushes the series so hard.
I won’t deny that Echoes’ DLC price was outrageous (I think its like $49.99 U.S.D which probably makes it even pricier in other countries), but I’m still not gonna hold my breath that TH’s DLC price(s) are gonna be any better. Game companies these days are so damn greedy it isn’t even funny, be it pricing base game or the DLC or even both.
I’m extremely cautious since this game is being co developed by Koei Tecmo, a company notorious for their outrageous dlc practices (look at Dead or Alive for example, 1,000 dollars of dlc right there).
Okay, so according to Nintendo’s website the Switch does have pre-loading. Wonder if this game will be released that way? Maybe closer to the release date.
People need to understand that DLCs are fine given that they are just minor additional contents to the game. Contents that are added later into the game, not contents that were supposed to be in the game to begin with, cut out of the game and sold separately. That type DLCs are not okay.
Plus FE is mostly a sp. So who really cares about some additional contents. You want it, buy it. You don’t need it don’t buy it. Simple as that.
As I said, don’t buy it if it is too expensive for you. DLCs are optional, they didn’t cut the game and sell them separately, they are additional contents that you can live without if you can’t afford it. You will be fine
If the DLC is anything like Torna: the Golden Country then I’ll be happy. I hope it’s nothing like SoV lol
I think there might be a FE3H direct next month to give more info about the game for English speaking fans (like the what Famitsu has been doing for the last few weeks in Japan) & to show the DLC.
Ooh, this is a good banner. Eliwood finally gets the Legendary alt he deserves so now he can join Hector and Lyn. Theres quite a few characters I’m gonna gun for on this banner, Eliwood obviously is one of them.
Hopefully no one goes bitching about him getting an alt right before his brave self comes out, and if anyone does then I’d like to point them towards Camilla who has WAY more alts than him (he has one, two with this Legendary out tomorrow and then three with his brave self later this year. Whereas she has what is it, 7 going on 8 with her brave alt?).
Thats what I meant by him having one alt, I didn’t count his original self. But yes technically he has 4 alts, original, LA, Legendary and soon Brave. Thats STILL half as many as Camilla’s massive 7 to 8 alts.
Great article. Maybe Mission Assistance is the same as hire for assistance. You’d just have them paired up with one of your units. Not bad if it means you can utilize that feature and have a full team as well.
Weekend battles being “infinite” on Normal is probably still limited by something though…? Like the activity points you have available? Time in the monastery being limited, hardly seems like weekend battles could be unlimited, but I wonder to what degree…
No, it’s infinite.
Side Battles, Grinding Maps, and Paralogues use a different resource than the Stroll Gauge, the Venture Gauge.
At the start, it appears you have 1 use a weekend.
There’s always a grinding map that is free to use every weekend on Normal Mode that requires no resources, as such you can grind for as much as you want without advancing the week.
I’m okay with this if it’s true! I enjoy over-leveling and customizing characters builds and such. I just didn’t/don’t expect it to be that simple or easy.
This is the kind of balancing factor I was expecting. This makes a lot of sense, but if it’s true, it does mean that you could grind your units up to the plateau each time before moving on to the next week. Is it possible that it affects the students’ morale/motivation levels, too, so eventually they’re worn out and have debuffs?
It’s hard for me to understand these systems by watching and reading; I usually start a game and either end up having to restart them or finish out with a sub-optimal setup because I can’t follow the “theory.” Thanks for collecting and sharing all of this stuff though! I was unsure about this game for a long time, but keeping up with these updates has brought me around.
YES! That’s what I wanted to know. I love the cooking feature in Fates. I’ve already decided I was getting Three houses with or without shipping, but this sweetens the deal. Thanks for telling me.
True, but there are plenty of games where you decide who the avatar ends up with. Not many games where you decide who multiple characters end up with. Then again, even if I could decide who ends up with who in this game, I haven’t decided who to ship, and I’m sure there would be limitations. I got my shipping fix from fates, I think I’m over shipping in Fire emeblem.
Huh. Rhea’s voiced by Cherami Leigh, which means she’s also the speaker at the end of the E3 trailer (the one who says “I wish this moment would last forever). Interesting!
Are we sure that you can both explore the monastery and go and battle on the same weekend? From what i saw of the treehouse stream after they run out of explore points the weekend automatically ended. So unless I’m mistaken you have to choose if you want to train character levels in battle or train weapon ranks in the monastery each weekend, not both
What you’ve wrote sounds correct to me. That’s pretty much what I wrote as well, unless I made a mistake somewhere.
Note: If you select “battle”, you cannot select “explore” during the same weekend.
This means once you choose to battle, you’re locked out of exploring (and presumably other options). This also implies the reverse. So if you choose to explore, you’re locked out of battling.
I wish the switch case had either just the crest or had the three main lords of the game. Sothis is not someone I want to be carrying around -.- I hope they release more switch cases >.<
I think you can create a new profile on your Nintendo Switch using your current Nintendo Account for FEH. It just means your gold coins will go to that account instead of your main one.
Wow, thats a loooooooong time for the promotion to be available. Longest I’ve ever seen actually. And Byleth’s a infantry sword user, no surprise there to be honest.
they made f!byleth’s default outfit so atrocious just to sell this DLC
these outfits ARE super cute tho.. love it. i think the “new playable characterS” bit is kinda scummy though. if they just mean like. Anna, thats fine, thats the usual, whatever.. but anybody else and its just super :/ i’d imagine, though, that this refers to characters in the story content…? which i GUESS makes sense. whatever, DLC is DLC, nobody is forcing me to buy it 🙂
My fingers are crossed that ‘new playable characters’ means we get the Cipher OCs again, since a) I need to hear Nieve’s English voice, and b) they’re characters that have no serious connection(hopefully) to the main storyline itself, which would mean that it wouldn’t feel like we NEED to buy the extra characters, since they’re just the Cipher OCs, but it would still be cool for those of us who do appreciate those characters, like myself.
The fact that they’ve announced the DLC before the game’s even out has me just a little concerned that the DLC 4th wave will be to add in story and characters that should’ve been in the main game. Remember how SoV relied on a set of DLC to flesh out Ferdinand as a character?
I really hope that these waves of DLC are just add-ons to an already complete game.
I think there may be confusion between the combat arts 誘引の計 (Lure) and 引込の計 (likely ‘Assembly’ that Ingrid with the Seiros Pegasus Co. battalion had, noting that 引込の計 was attributed to セイロス天馬兵団). Also the combat art 共鳴魔法 : 白 has shown to be rendered ‘Resonant White Magic’ in NoA footages of the game.
Thanks! Doh, I had those two Gambits mixed up as early as 15th May. Now it makes a LOT more sense. They have a very similar meaning and spelling, so I didn’t even notice.
It appears ability and art progression can differ depending on the character. We saw some characters gain different arts when reaching C Axe, I believe. That said, I think from the way they cut the footage, we don’t actually know what ranks they had when they learned those abilities/arts. That’s because Dimitri doesn’t rank up in Lance, yet still gains an art anyway.
Don’t read this if you haven’t rested yet, get some rest then you can read if you decide to.
After seeing the second commercial I’m even more concerned than I already was about Dimitri. And with Rhea falling in that scene maybe they’ll pull an Emmeryn to reveal that she’s alive and playable although not without a few injuries of course or maybe she’s one of the dlc characters in the 4th wave of the expansion pass. Jokes aside, when watched the scene with male Byleth and Edelgard fighting I’m getting the vibe that their holding back or just sparring with each other since Edelgard isn’t using her axe and Byleth’s sword isn’t glowing and he doesn’t have it in any specific form plus they both did kinda stop their swords after swinging them at each other’s necks (but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re not not trying to kill each other though, just thought that I’d put it out there). Also looking at the new classes shown the advanced tier I’m assuming the classes in the final tier (that’s what I’m assuming what the next tier will be) will require high professor skills such as S-rank weapons proficiencies and depending on which one high riding, armor, and flying. I’m thinking some if at all may require S-rank, but I don’t think all of them will since some of the advanced classes require a B-rank for some of the movement skills to have a better success rate of passing and I’m thinking the other class that looks like a dark mage might be akin to the Summoner class in Sacred Stones. Sorry for my rambling especially so early in the morning, it’s 2 am for me now so please excuse any grammar mistakes. Also Happy 4th of July (if you celebrate it).
I too agree that dueling scene was probably a sparring rather than actual combat. There is no crest stone in the sword, and no soldiers or other lords were present. (unless Byleth decided to face Edelgard alone in some abandoned place); There is no sign of other combat, and their clothes were very clean; Byleth’s hair still has some green in it, so it’s likely way before he fought Nemesis.
All in all, this scene looks like to me happened fairly early maybe just after timeskip. Unless you were supposedly to face Edelgard early on…
Either it’s a scene or something similar that might happen with all the lords or just with Edelgard because of the plot. It also makes me think that if it’s only Edelgard because of plot reasons (even if you pick the Black Eagles) there may be a chance that all the students might meet up with each other before they declare war on each other, just maybe.
Well, the whole “Who will stand with you, who will cross swords with you?” and all this other stuff lends credence to the notion that we’ll be fighting and killing the other two houses during the war phase.
My guess about Sword in the flame is this: When Seiros defeated Nemesis, his sword was dropped to the ground. Some soldiers tried to pick it up but died in the explosion (as some kind self defense against people without right crests). Seiros walked through the fire and recovered it. (since she’s likely a dragon and can survive the fire). Resulting the scene from E3 2018 where she hold the sword in her hand with burns marks.
She was later “buried” with the sword,(I doubt she really dies as previous game play footage suggested) then Byleth gets the sword in CM2 (the background looks like a coffin).
I wonder if we will actually meet Seiros in the game, and if the white dragon is Seiros or the goddess. I doubt she’s would be enemy to Byleth, since she left the sword for him when she was awaken.
Still I don’t have much interest in new outfits, cosmetics DLC or summer festivalish maps and swimsuits, I must admit they got me in the “brand new story” part.
Maybe we can imagine a fourth story branch/house? With 8 new characters, a new lord and everything? Or a new group of mercenary, you could choose instead of the nobility? Kind of a “neutral way” like in Fates’s Revelation. It could be nice to re-hype the game after nearly one year. Or anything. Still it seems to be new story, it should be interesting. In some ways.
PS: The DLC on New Years Eve will be about some festival of Winter, with Santa Claus outfit and everything. Like Fates/Awakening before. Not for me! XD
Hello, information from Nintendo jp official site. you can use the DLC costume mentioned above in church freely. But if you want to use it in battle, you have to be a commoner as in class.
This is why I hate those limited editions: you still have to pay for the DLCs. And one released at day 1… I find that insulting. Well, the only DLC I have ever purchased is the Xenoblade 2 one (so much content), so I can live without them.
Maybe this is just me but, the scene where Claude is flying through the air. Does it look like he’s holding a sword rather than the bow he’s usually seen with? Its really hard to tell honestly and it could be his bow that he’s charging and attack for but looking at a larger version of the screenshot, the ball part looks like its from a sword as I don’t remember seeing that on his bow. I could still be wrong of course and it could still be his bow.
Yeah, I think it might be a sword. Near the end, you can also see a glimmer from a sharp edge. Could also be an arrow or lance tip, but from that angle, hmm…
I’m kinda split. While I have nothing against costumes, I’m more concerned about new story content and new characters. I seriously hope Nintendo doesn’t hype everybody up with “your choices will decide their fates”, only to release a Revelations 2.0 a la Three Houses https://media2.giphy.com/media/jy1N2vXOQGakg/giphy.gif
the leaks mentioned 4 routes in the development and thus far we only know of 3…I imagine that 4th route will be the new story content (unless we get a 5th which is very unlikely). I am more concerned that the route is actually good both for the story and characters as well as the gameplay..
The one thing to take into account however is that if the additional content is coming so late in the year/beginning of next year perhaps we will have a XC2 type of situation with the pass actually being worth it and the time in between release being necessary to actually work on it. The free updates periodically are also in line with the XC2 situation but hopefully we receive a more polished product and it’s not just them going through and fixing stuff post launch.
Honestly Nintendo has been pretty on top of making sure the expansion passes are worth the cost for most of their properties. The cost is probably reasonable this time around only being about 25 dollars; although releasing 2 costumes as the first wave of content is a bit insulting. I would suggest waiting and seeing if the base game is good before buying the expansion pass though if you’re on the fence.
So that would mean that there should be just under 40 classes. In that case I expected them to be classes that specialist in their given skill level. So master riding class or a master axe class.
Did anyone else notice how Seiros and Nemesis’s swords during their fight mirror Edelgard and Byleth’s swords at the end of that 9 minute video? History repeats itself.
I suspect the unit people are taking to be Shamir is actually Leonie, as she’s the only Golden Deer otherwise missing. The green healing tile is simply discoloring her hair, making it seem darker.
(That said, with more and more teachers shown to be playable, it seems likely Shamir will be eventually.)
this game goes beyond level 20. and why would you not promote your unit? since changing class to previous unlocked class (for that character) are free in case you dont like it
My point is that 20 levels in a fire emblem game isnt a lot. There’s going to be 10 -15 levels after 20, it would be boring to give you all the classes halfway through the game and not ha e a 4th tier
Based on ingame footage it’s likely there is a fourth tier after advanced classes. CHeck out this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/3tTCgji.jpg
You can see there is a scroll bar so there should be a fourth tier below advanced. Also below advanced are still the “divider dots” while above beginner there are none, indication there is still more to come below advanced.
Is weak to magic like low Res or actually weak to magic? If the grids are anything to go by (from my experience they’re usually not trust worthy lol), Wyvern riders seem strong and its a way to balance it out but magic is pretty common, more so than archers I’d say.
Wyvern Riders have always been described to be weak to magic along with archers, save for maybe RD where the Wyvern line are just weak to magic, namely thunder, and not weak to archers. They’re meant to be the opposite of Pegasus Knights in terms of being strong on the physical side of defenses and Pegasus Knights shrugging off magic like its nothing but are rather frail and can be taken out easily with any physical weapon.
I love how CM4 is the “classical” Fire Emblem commercial, with the classical main theme, character introduction, and even the slogan “Stand together, fight together, Fire Emblem” from Radian Dawn commercial.
Could this be a defend map…? The purple tiles look far too near the starting zone to be a goal. It almost seems to me like they’e trying to recreate that one port defence map from Conquest… 😉
Not a fan of gender-locked classes. None of these make even sense, like why are Heroes and Dark Bishops male only?
What I’m a fan of on the other hand are the class designs. Dorothea as an assassin, Edelgard as a Warrior and all the mage classes in general look so sick. Such a colossal improvement over the last few games.
It makes me wonder which classes will be female locked then, cause if there’s none, that just seems ridiculous. Fates still stands as the only FE game to have no gender-locked classes (aside from 2 DLC classes). I suspect it’ll be the usual suspects: Falcoknight and Valkyrie (if those do get confirmed, which I don’t see why not).
Maybe galeforce is returning? Or any other powerful skills tied to the pegasus knight line? Their choices for the male-locked are really odd (like come on, Hero??), so it may have ties to game balance or something, idk
uhm that paladin armor is generally super SICK i love it. same with warlock. grappler is so silly and goofy i will probably never use it unless the game makes me; id seriously burst out laughing anytime i see it do anything
>Also, Gauntlets are restricted to foot-based classes
I think that should be reworded to “only be used on foot”, since we know Dismounting returns.
Granted, we do need to see it in action, but I think the original Famitsu wording was that Gauntlets can’t be used while mounted.
So while you can be a Gauntlet-wielding Cavalier, you can’t use your gauntlets while you are on a mount.
I don’t know how I feel about this one guys. First of all, I don’t like that we have so few advanced classes. This could have been the perfect game for a TON of new classes, like where are my Bow knights, Dark knights and even Berserkers? And what is up with gender-locked classes? Why are we going back to that concept? Is Nohr really the only place where females can become Berserkers, or in this case “Grapplers”? Besides that, the designs are pretty good overall. I’m not a fan of the cavaliers in this game, but aside from that, everything looks amazing.
There doesn’t really need to be a Bow Knight class specifically due to how weapons are treated here. You can easily give your Cavaliers/Paladins a bow and it’d be the exact same thing.
Also, there’s likely one more tier of classes, and I’d imagine a magic-using mounted class will be there.
basically you can make bow knight, flying unit with bow, berserker, etc in this game since you can use pretty much any weapon. its just you need certain proficiency in a weapon to promote to certain class. and we are almost certain theres another class tier. maybe some of your example are in the next tier
Dudes, Canto returns?! I’m down.
These Class designs are actually pretty neat, I think I’m liking this more than pretty much all the rest of the 3H stuff so far.
Grappler has higher-than-average movement for a foot class. That’s interesting. I don’t like how they’re going back to giving Archers and Mages crap move though. 4 move mages were really frustrating to use in Echoes. The extra range didn’t really compensate.
its funny at first people complaining about lack of uniqueness because all student can be almost anything. now people are complaining there’s not enough variety in class which only comes from said uniqueness of choosing class freely (not a linear promotion).
are you happy with the mechanic or not?? lol XD
Curious… since any class can theoretically use any weapon, is it likely to see the likes of armored mages, troubadours, etc.? Or is magic usage thought to be class exclusive?
Okay CM2 pretty much confirms that Dimtri is slowly becoming insane before the timeskip because smirk he has is any but warm it’s looks down right evil at that moment. Poor guy. :’) And doesn’t sayoria mean good-bye Japanese if so Eldgarde is saying goodbye teacher. Haha eeeeeh I don’t want her kill or Dimtri or Claude. T-T
But then again, during gameplay, we see the convoy command on Byleth, and it’s translated as “Convoi”. I don’t think the Convoy has ever been named “Entrepôt” in any french version of any FE, either.
Oh yeah, you’re right! But that make me think of “Inventory” (Inventaire in French). In other words, the Convoy, but not in combat. If I remember well, it’s called Inventory between the chapter, but Convoy when it’s on the avatar. In French, it’s like that.
But yeah, it was never called “Entrepôt” before. I don’t know why this change. But after all…it doesn’t really matter I guess
Well, the french mission description for the mission about Sylvain’s older brother is a lot more explicit about the goal … From “neutralizing the threat” and “settling the matter” in english to straight out telling us that the church’s been charged with executing brother Gautier
if 3h goes over well (which im very hype/hoping it will), i wonder if theyll port tellius to switch given how many times theyve referenced it either by name or “last home console fe” o: ? i really hope so bc damn, id be throwing money at that point
I think they have other remakes to do before the Tellius ones. Actually they already did the first, the third and the second game on 3DS. Soooo…it should be the fourth….Genealogy! And this one is really famous and loved, so we can imagine them doing a great work on it…but we don’t really know.
geneology would be amazing honestly, but thinking abt remakes of games like geneology and persona 2 make me REALLY worried given the current obsession with wholesomeness and purity or whatever. like theres a chance itll be good, but im just that One Fear meme of like.. Geneology, But Not Problematic tm eerfh
The devs in charge of SoV mentioned they’d specifically like to do Binding Blade next, so that’s what I’m hoping for, but I could see them picking Genealogy/Thracia.
The Lost Spirits feature reminds me more of the Nier: Automata system, where if you came across another player’s dead body, you could loot them for some of the chips in their system (or have them as a helper), but you couldn’t interact with that player, and you don’t really know who left the corpse there.
Wait. Did I read that last bit wrong, or is the exploration timed? Does that mean I can’t spend hours circling around cats and NPCs before actually interacting with anything? :c
Des français ici ? J’étais à l’event et il me semble avoir compris ça :
On est bien d’accord qu’il a été dit que Fòdlan ferait bien les 2/3 de la superficie de l’Europe et que l’intrigue se concentrerait sur les 3 pays principaux du continent même si des personnages des autres pays alentours seraient présent dans le jeu, non ? Ha et aussi que l’académie aété créé pour protéger les 3 pays en s’alliant pour contrer les attaques de ces autres pays.
Peut être faudrait donner ces petites infos à Serenes Forest si je ne me trompe pas
He says 80+ hrs, but how long did it take him to beat other FE games? Where is the frame of reference for this number? I’ve seen people say Echoes took them nearly 40 hrs to beat when it took me 14 on hard my first playthrough. Hate to be “that guy” but I wouldn’t put too much credence in that 80 hrs number. Most likely will be a 40 hrs playthrough, which is still more than any other game, and this’ll have 3 routes, which is amazing…but 80 sounds overstated.
So, would you need someone to translate the interview? ’cause I could do it. (It probably won’t be too different from a google translate, but maybe people here would be interested in reading the full thing.)
Hmmm… If amiibos unlock music from older games, they could make at least one per game. Chrom has two and he’s only the main character of Awakening during the first arc (your avatar ends up stealing the spotlight).
Lost spirits will feel like touching them bloodstains.
I’m gonna be honest. 80+ hrs is not something I’m excited about. Fates already had a HUGE quantity>quality issue. Unless they learned their lessons from that game, idk if it will all be good or not.
I think it took him 80 hours because he must have done every single quest possible, and maybe spent a lot ot time in the monastery or something. I think it’s safe to say it will take us maybe 30-40 hours.
So I love having the veteran knights and characters on your team. But I’m imaging how Byleth will b training them. Catherine’s great with sword . Now I’m going to teach u how to ride a pegasus.
Personally I have no complaints about 80 hours for one House; 200+ overall. I want to savor this game…if it’s as good as I hope it’ll be ^^() At this point I’m more interested in in the Amiibo Gazebo, Scouting time limits and just the game overall X’D
the concept edelgard is GORGEOUS, what the hell. i imagine they scrapped it because it had too much girly appeal, though, which makes me really sad. something girly doesnt really fit her character that well, so i get it, but still…
Now this is a summer banner I’ll gladly sink a bunch of orbs into, Lyn’s obvious top priority for me but the other three are good too. I’m not so much surprised by Ursula as I am of Wolt since despite being Rebecca’s kid isn’t all that popular (I think but I pretty sure thats true) plus he’s considered bad in his own game.
WOW. These swimsuit costumes are honestly the worst. I feel SO creepy looking at them, and I’m not even straight. I don’t understand why this is even a thing.
Because the majority of the FE fanbase now consists of lowlife degenerates who lick this shit up like crazy. It’s really sad what happened to this series.
Alright, I’ll bite. As a generalized statement, yes, there’s nothing lewd or inappropriate about a swimsuit, but the context here is a war simulation game played on mobile. The intended purpose of the artworks is to be sexualized, that’s not exactly a secret, and the point of the game being on mobile is that you can play it anywhere, including in public. When I made my initial statement I’d just started watching the trailer somewhere out and about with people around. I was embarrassed.
I did exchange 9 Delthea´s for grails (my first Exchange unit), because the last one will be from GHB return Quest.
I never got so fast one Unit to +9!
Player Essence released a new video showing off a little bit more of the gameplay demo. In it Byleth meets his father and the have a rushed conversation about Byleths mother. Also a ring gets showed off that belonged to your mother and Jeralt Hope’s you’ll give it to someone you care about in the future.
Yep, next time I’ll be fixing something I’ll just use Raphael face tape and it’ll hold better than before. It’s a shame there’s no Arden tape. I’ll buy whole supply.
Got Wolt on my 3rd summon and am now at 5.50 percent sniping the blue. Really hope I get her and not a pity breaker.
Also whats that thing about updating Lilina’s artwork I didn’t see any difference but I was probably not looking in the right place.
It’s pretty amusing though when they figure they potentially have battalions, which are themselves potentially made up of things like cavaliers and wyvern riders. Good luck sneaking around with all of them.
Sounds a lot like Volke’s Stillness skill in RD…which you generally wanted to remove from him and give to someone else, since he was pretty good at killing things.
I don’t think anyone else can use it, I think its a sort of “personal” skill for him, but its been a while since I’ve played RD so I can’t really remember if you can take Stillness off Volke or not. I agree he’s good at killing stuff but the problem is that he’s frail as fuck and if RNG is being a fickle mistress then you’re more than likely to lose him, especially on the Feral One map where you get him since the Feral Ones are pretty accurate.
Lol. I doubt this’ll be true but I’m thinking during the War phase of the game, it might be possible to hire a Assassin Battalion (pretty sure you’re somewhat joking even though thats actually somewhat true). That would be kinda cool if you ask me, but again I doubt it’ll actually happen.
Really good information here. About this one point though:
“He pretty much confirmed that most if not all of our characters will be seen from the get go, citing how previous Fire Emblem’s had very disjointed character introductions and didn’t allow for much growth or time to stand out.”
There’s elements of this I don’t exactly agree with. I often find that in FE, the most memorable characters lore-wise are the late-joiners, and most who join early might be solid in gameplay but tend to not be very memorable (FE7 and FE9 are the two main exceptions to me). This is because early-joiners can’t get many plot scenes, as the story has to account for them potentially dying early. Some can even die in their debut chapters. Late-joiners can’t die until they’re playable, so the writers have more freedom to give them screentime and development. Take Caineghis from FE10. Only joins at the start of Endgame, yet he’s been a major player in the story for two whole games up to that point. Now take Edward. Joins in Prologue… barely has any personality. I know RD is a bad example due to lacking supports, but a lot of other early-joiners like Cain, Abel, Draug (pre-Heroes), Bors, etc are also pretty bland. Then there’s Renault. Sure you only have 2 chapters to get his supports, but he has possibly the deepest backstory in the game.
One thing I miss in the newer games is this front-loading of characters gives you less to look forward to. There’s no longer that feeling of wondering if/when someone like Duessel or Jaffar will become an ally. They also lack complex recruitment conditions. I’m not saying I want another Xavier, but I’d like to at least have to put in SOME effort to recruit people, the newer games just tend to hand you everyone without making you really work for them. I still remember how satisfying it felt when I finally figured out how to get Jaffar to join.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate the newer games, this is just one thought I had to get off my chest. In short, joining early does not automatically equal “more memorable”, and I miss being able to look forward to who would join next, even towards the end of the game.
imo its pretty ambiguous as to whether they meant introduced as in caeneghis or introduced as in playable o: so i wouldnt write it off just yet. tho i do agree with you, as frustrating as those “recruit crit machine myrm with cleric/other squish unit” could be, it was REALLY satisfying when you finally pulled it off (looking at you also, vaida) LOL..
When will someone have the balls to ask about the marriage supports…specifically for gay male/lesbo side. Really wanna know if the leaks got another right.
Well we do know romance-marriage supports is in the game after the timeskip and in case spoilers after Jeralt gives you his wedding ring so that’s good enough for me. But I think that specific detail wouldn’t be mentioned tbh maybe the last famitsu article before release will talk about it but again doubt same gender would be mentioned.
Still like that the demonic beasts has alot of strategy to take them out many interesting strats I can see being used for each of them! I like that most of the classes shown for the individual character pretty nicely(even Marianne for a bunch of reasons). Can’t wait to absorb all the knowledge of this games world!
I believe the King of Lions’ name is going to be translated as either Lugh or Lug, a reference to the deity of Irish mythology, who wielded several magical spears — Lugh’s Spear (Luin Celtchair, Crimmall), Gae Assail, Areadbhair (Slaughterer). I wonder if one of them will be the name for Dimitri’s own Hero Relic.
You may indeed be right – this would fit with the Celtic theming for Faerghus. What’s more, even though FE has already used Lugh for a character’s name, that doesn’t mean they won’t re-use it, as they’ve re-used names before.
Can I just kiss the guy who made the ”Is TMS#FE coming to Switch?” question?
I’ve been wondering the same thing for quite some time now, good to finally have a small answer.
SMT(/Atlus games in general) and Fire Emblem are one of my favorites JRPGs out there, so you can see how little-me got sad when I saw that ”Wii U Exclusive!”
Oh wow! So much has happened!! My choice is tested once again with the (possible) revelation that Annette and Gilbert may be related X’D I love these two so much already, but … Golden Deer!!!?!
So does anybody recognize any of the VAs? I recognize at least four, Veronica Taylor (Ash Ketchum and Micaiah), Cherami Leigh (Cecillia and Gwendolyn), Faye Mata (Lene) and Ben Diskin (Jakob).. Of the four Veronica Taylor stands out, at least for me, due to her role as Ash in Pokemon. That and I don’t know of any other roles the other three have done aside from Fire Emblem characters.
If i recall correctly then:
Cassandra Morris – Clarissa, Julia, Morgana (Persona 5)
Tara Platt – Miriel and Mitsuru (Persona 3), which I think is quite fitting.
Robbie Daymond – Tobin and Ares
Erica Mendez – Deirdre
Joe Zieja – Jamke and Canas
Ben Pronsky – Atlas
Kayli Mills – Thea
Dorothy Fahn – Rinea, I kinda wish they went with a register that was similar to Rinea’s for Mercedes since I think that suits her more but not too big of a deal.
Ben Lepley – Saias
Mark Whitten – Hrid and Lyon
Might have forgotten someone but those are the ones I recognize at least.
Huh, didn’t know Cassandra Morris did Morgana in P5 but then again I haven’t gotten very far in it either. Never played P3, only Persona games I’ve ever played are TMS#FE (since its consider Persona like with its battle style) and P5.
Also isn’t Ben Lepley the voice of Pit from Kid Icarus: Uprising as well as his VA in Smash? Cause I think some people mentioned Pit and Saias having the same VA when Fates was either in the works still or when we finally got to hear Saias’s voice.
Yeah I’d be surprised if it wasn’t Cassandra Morris voicing Sothis, the voice sample for Sothis sounds a lot like her. If you liked the general feel of what you played through in P5, I really recommend giving P3 a shot (no matter how cliche the recommendation may be)!
I’m pretty sure it was Antony Del Rio that voiced Pit from Kid Icarus/Smash and Silas from Fates. Silas and Saias do sound pretty close, maybe you mixed them up?
Well I have to get around to continue playing P5 but I keep getting distracted (I mean I got the game at Wal-Mart for $20) but if I get the chance, I’ll see if I can’t get my hands on P3.
Yeah I got the two mixed cause their names spelt so similarly. XD
I will say he did a good job as Pit, I think my favorite line is “Mayday, mayday! This is the end! I never learned how to read!” (I never played the game myself but I watched a playthrough of it once) I mean the I never learned how to read part is Pit’s new star ko line and its hilarious. Then again one really could not take Uprising all that seriously cause of all the jokes that were in it (they were somewhat cheesy but amusing cheesy).
eh, i’ve decided to finally join the conversation on these news and i choose golden deer. i’ve been comparing the lords to sigurd, eldigan, and quan, and i feel like claude is the “quan” of the group. plus, it doesn’t hurt that he’s a good-looking bowman.
I gotta admit, I’m even MORE excited than I have been (really letting the hype get to me), but I am also *really* disappointed to learn more about the DLC schedule. Releasing more “story” and playable characters well into next year puts a terrible taste in my mouth. I’m still picking this up day one, but I hope that the forthcoming content is still more in line with recent games, where it’s not necessary or even related to the story, just tacked on things after the fact. I don’t like feeling like the game was cut up to make more money.
And I certainly hope that’s the case. The gaming industry just hasn’t give me a lot of reason to be optimistic in recent years, y’know? Nintendo exclusives tend to be better than most, IMO, but things change.
Given how IS handled Fate’s and FE:SoV’s DLC, I’m less inclined to trust them to put out any pro-consumer, meaningful and satisfying DLCs (granted, they shouldn’t even be in the game in the first place) . Moreover, despite they claim each route takes about 80 hours to complete, I wonder how many of those hours are actual story content and how many are just running around the central hub doing busywork. Perhaps I’m still suffeeing from an acute case of the”Peter Moreland” syndrome, but I just hate seeing developers overpromise and leave the fans disappointed.
I mean DLC doesn’t mean cutting content, sometimes that’s a scummy practice companies do, other times DLC is just extra shit added on, like the Xenoblade 2 expansion.
I’m going to hope that whatever the DLC is that it will be good. The pricing of it if actually worthwhile is a lot better than the Echoes DLC which leaves me hopeful. Nintendo is also treating it as a big rpg property on the switch which means they are probably a lot more involved than usual and most Nintendo main titles have been released well and with decent DLC…Xenoblade Chronicles 2 received an entire prequel expansion (a full 30+ hour game) and since this is being treated as essentially an rpg property there are certain expectations people have.
Something to keep in mind the thanibomb leak hinted at there being four routes…currently we only have been previewed of 3. There is a very good chance that the additional story and more playable characters is going to be the said fourth route. The leak also had far less details about said fourth route so it’s quite likely that it was further behind in development or conceptualization. Basically if you’re worried of another Revelations situation I’d hold off on picking up the DLC until you find out what people think of it.
The First Wave of DLC really leaves me feeling bitter considering it’s only those two byleth costumes (unless the entire cast gets similar for the first wave and they are just previewing it with the Byleth costumes…even then though why not just include it with the game if it is ready by launch) which is not really a “wave” of content. If anything there seem to be three major DLC waves planned for the game with a very misleading fourth one that reminds me a lot of Tecmo Koei dlc practices.
Honestly I’m more hopeful at the initial outset (they actually somewhat revealed what type of content will be in the season pass instead of keeping us in the dark) but really we’ll have to see how the base game is before we can really say anything on the DLC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDLkEtze5vs You can find the next rank of classes at 7:44 of nintendo world reports video.8 Master rank classes there’s a pegasus one, a wyvern one, four horseriding ones & two footbased.
oh god, im SO excited about the character development stuff! hearing these good things makes me SUPER hopeful. i think i could be happy with just flirting with characters, even if i cant marry them. even aside from the romance, it sounds like the characterization of the cast has had a lot of effort put into it. and if there’s really such a focus on story, and if the characterization is just that good.. maybe ill actually take my time with reading it all. im so glad i decided to preorder, even though im out of town the weekend it drops.
Considering that many reviewers gave revelations, possibly one of the worst FE games in existence objectively, high scores, I don’t see any reason to think that this is a good or bad sign.
originally i thought this was gonna be a great game, then initial reaction was disappointed. with more news coming out that it’s basically jugdral 2.0, i’ll get the game on the basis that it’s entertainment, but a belhalla academy side game would also be really fun.
I still don’t know whether I should play as F!Byleth (Like I do for all my avatars) or M!Byleth (cause he’s just so hot that if I could, I would marry him)
Just a heads up since there’s a link to the gaymingsite, there’ll be only 3 same-sex romance options for M!Byleth. Linhardt, Alois and Gilbert. so that site is queerbaiting. Just don’t get your hopes up in romancing Claude as a male Byleth.
Actually some played as female Byleth on the Golden Deer route, so we won’t get to see the male Byleth side of support list. So there’s still a tiny amount of hope left but don’t get your hopes up until it’s clarified.
Most are disappointed by Alois and Gilbert reveal though. They’re the last thing they want to be romanceable.
So we have no male player as Golden Deer yet. Is Dimitri’s S Support on the list if you play as Female Golden Deer? If not, house leaders are only shown with S Support in their own route.
Dimitri pretty much debunked early on around E3 with a screenshot showing male Byleth support list for the blue lions. Only female blue lions can be S ranked with male Byleth
That’s not what I meant. If you play FEMALE Byleth and join Golden Deer… is Dimitri listed as S Rank? I’m pretty sure you can only S-Support the leaders if you join their house. Which would mean Claude only is listed as S-Support if you are a male Golden Deer member maybe.
Why would you spoil the mood by bringing up that gaymingsite nonsense? Not only was the dude’s article pretty misleading but it’s also quite obvious the Reviewer was on the BE campaign (plus that image didnt even have all of the characters on it) , we still know nothing about the Lion & Deers supports. Lets wait a bit longer b4 spreading any of that half-baked info.
Wow chill, you getting paid by Nintendo? I put it up because the article put it up, and all the insiders that are playing the game has confirmed that Claude is for female Byleth only, including Thanibomb/the leaker herself on reddit!
For Blue Lions support, there’s a screenshot right around E3 that shows all the support for male Byleth and only the female students can be S-ranked. So now all gay players and their grandmothers know DImitri isn’t romanceable to them lol.
That’s why all their hope rests with Claude. And boy, last night was a rollercoaster.
There’s a menu in the title screen under EXTRAS that lists ALL of the supports and it shows that Claude and Male Byleth can only go to A. Regardless of any house you pick, the list just differentiate if you pick a male or female Byleth.
You can say this all you want by all means. In the meantime I on the other hand will continue to wait for more solid info, thanks for the replies & all but I’m done here. Let’s agree to hope for the best at least.
1).Stop acting like I came @ you all irate bc I didn’t.
2).How does me bringing up flaws with both the screenshot & article equals I’m a Nintenshill?
3).Going off on just he said/she said stuff is irresponible as news poster like it or not, unless you have more physical or visual evidence of this besides that problematic 1st I can’t take what you say srsly until proven otherwise.
Ppl are already looking for reasons to hate on this game so pls don’t fuel the fire with half-baked stuff is all I’m saying.
Because pretty much all the links that I’ve given show all the insiders agree on that one particular matter. And Thanibomb the “leaker ” herself shot down every Claude is bi comment on reddit.
More info is getting out each passing day whether you like it or not. At this time, the ball’s in NoA’s court since they still yet to release the Golden Deer trailer
IGN has a video showing what they say is all the classes, and it does show what looks like another rank of classes. There are a few inconsistencies like Pegasus Knight and Wyvern rider shown next to each other or Lord being shown last. But the classes do look pretty cool. https://m.ign.com/videos/2019/07/12/fire-emblem-three-houses-a-look-at-all-the-classes
Same here, I’m gonna have to avoid Youtube like the plague. Especially once the game has released as I REALLY don’t want to get the story spoiled for me.
Slight correction here, Three Houses’ score of 37 puts it just ABOVE Fates and the others, not below. The 37 Echoes and Three Houses have is the highest in the franchise.
As I continue my academy life, my heart is overwhelmed by an indescribable feeling that “These good kids will all be fighting each other in the second part…?”
Gah, the leak was probably right. I, frankly, don’t really wanna see that, especially with the leak stating that virtually everyone you don’t have on your side in the war phase will die. I just don’t wanna watch 2/3rds of the cast die horribly. I especially don’t want to have to be the one doing the killing.
this is starting to sound kinda megaten-like… not a bad thing for sure, but definitely SOMETHING o: on another note, i just realized what this whole thing reminds me of (it clicked when reading about link lvs); trails of cold steel i and ii. academy phase in which a class becomes close and works out their differences, followed by a civil/war in which they scatter and in some cases are pitted against each other? ? brb, breathing into a paper bag
Unfortunately, by that same leak, it is stated that the fourth route is not a happy ending and can be considered worse in some ways.
If we get a happy ending, my money is on the last wave of DLC scheduled for next year.
Straight “cisgendered” folk is the societal default. Its not some perception, thats basic biology. And yeah that type of default is the bulk of the relationships in this game, but thats not the point here just some something that needed established before we continue.
And I love the “This setting has magic, therefore it should totally arbitrarily include societal mores that dont fit” Feudal Societies weren’t gay, this is based on feudal societies as have ALL Fire Emblems thus far. And including arbitrary amounts of modern society bullshit into it is just pandering whether its .3% or 4%. Also thats not 16 orders of magnitude. Its 1 and was representative of only the gay population which I didnt specify. And YES they do have to be “justified”, this isn’t real life, these are all creations that were made with a purpose. In this case to pander to the LGBT to check some arbitrary mark. If your LGBT and you ONLY buy this game because it has a small amount of LGBT characters in it then you are a fucking moron. I quite frankly I dont want you in my fandom. Someone so poorly motivated is not likely to be any sort of asset to this game’s community.
Listen I really do not care if they include these options. I just wont pursue them (or fuck it maybe I will cause traps are hot in anime) I also found the Valbar/Leon almost pairing quite entertaining and written well enough but I will reiterate AGAIN why the LGBT community continues to not only accept but call for arbitrary and lame inclusion. If I found out something was included merely for the sake of pandering to my super specific demographic in order to get me to buy it I would feel insulted. Its thinly veiled “Rainbow Corporatism.” And I aint limiting their free speech by calling out their stupid behavior and how dare you imply such. That sentence was made purely to somehow shame me into silence. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying make this an argument of me against the LGBT community when that’s not what this is about at all.
And the fact that you cant admit its in poor taste just shows your own poor taste. The fact that you are so quick to demagogue against anyone who even remotely shows confusion, disinterest and annoyance at this arbitrary inclusion shows more about your opinion that they need constant defense like they are some kind of babies that can’t take any other opinion.
I mean look at the original post in this thread. They literally say their interest in this game largely hinges on some same sex support conversations AND THEN went on to imply unless their demands were met that they were homophobic… You dont see the problem? Look what you are defending. A moron who just happens to be gay (and shallow). My point is they dont want inclusion… they want special treatment for being gay if Intelligent Systems wants his money. fuck off with that attitude. You glossed over all that in my previous post too.
Oh, I can tell that you have been working in this article for quite some time, and well, thank you Vincent, you always put a lot of work into analyses of major and minor details. Just thanks ♥️
According to GameXplain spell uses can increase when you raise your skill levels in Reason/Faith. Also, “(trapped in a waterlogged sports building),” are you okay?
Well I know I’m gonna be spending orbs on this banner (I managed to get Lyn on the summer but she has terrible IVs in -SPD/+DEF, bleh gonna have to keep trying for a better one). I’m mostly gonna be gunning for F!Byleth cause her sword totally shuts down Bold, Vengeful, Guard and Null-Follow Up and her special is gonna be especially deadly towards beasts and dragons, she’s also gonna want to team up with Naga for maximum effect towards dragons. I imagine M!Byleth’s skill set is gonna be similar to his female counterpart when we get him. It sucks that her sword doesn’t have an innate distant counter since it has a ranged ability in the game.
Claude is gonna be the other one I’m gonna try for as he doesn’t have much competition in terms of bow cavs which is four but two of those are colored (not to mention one is limited) so his only real competition is B!Lyn and I imagine he’s gonna have a slightly better statline than her and VA!Roy is limited. Also his line pretty much sold it for me, not to mention it was funny.
Edelgard and Dimitri are not top priority but I’ll try getting them nonetheless as Edelgard is pretty much a axe version of Ephraim with her skillset and weapon’s ability and Dimitri’s weapon skill is pretty interesting. Although gonna have to change both his and Claude’s B skill cause they aren’t all that impressive and seem rather situational.
Game Informer did a pod cast and mentioned recruiting enemies so there’s some people on the enemy team you can bring over. Also the reviewer clarified on some branching path questions.
I’m pretty sure your guess bout the dancer class is right since the sprite looks exactly like Hilda’s when she is in the dancer class and it must be given from that festival then. Is the Dancer class gender-locked?
I’m glad they didn’t wait long to reveal this since so many people were getting paranoid that he would be a very gimped unit compared to Female Byleth. 😀
Very happy to see that ain’t the case and that he’s arguably the better version.
Same here. I’m so glad that there are only around sixteen hours left until I can finally play the game. These past few days were one hell of anticipation.
It’s going to be even more of a tease for me having the game and being unable to play it. I doubt the gameplay will hold a candle to Conquest but hopefully it will be better than the other 3DS games at least.
I wanna play it so bad but it’s probably not going to arrive until the release date. Be nice if it was today or tomorrow but I don’t think I’m that lucky.
A question of curiosity to all those who have the game already:
Did Sothis say that she shares your birthday as well? I chose the 19. day of the eighth month and now I’m wondering whether or not this is a scripted response or just a coincidence.
Nice my first playthrough will also be with the Golden Deers though that one will be more in order to prepare for my real playthrough with New Game+ with the Black Eagles.
Just 5 hours till the store opens and i can get my hands on it then i can spend hours figuring out a fraction of what ill learn from you all by this time next week. Keep being awesome.
“Defense anima hero”? No, paying attention makes it clear that Sothis is a resistance boosting dark hero. Also, every single legendary and mythic hero comes with at least two uninheritable skills, one of which is their weapon. So no, Sirius isn’t inheritable. If it is then what would Sothis’ other unique skill be, exactly?
If Sirius is inheritable then it’s got to be Time’s Pulse 3 since thats just a better Quicken Pulse due to it being every turn as opposed to QP’s first turn only. I really do hope it’s TP or at the very least it’s not inheritable by cav units as this skill would make Reinhardt broken again.
Well minus the number next to it, the name alone should tell the rest. You know? I mean I have no way of knowing if it is or not, no one does really, but if it is then lets just hope it’s NOT inheritable by cav characters cause there are like two characters at least that come to mind that with this skill can be really really annoying to deal with if it is inheritable by all.
Sweet! Got another chance at getting L!Lyn as well as a lot of others. This is a good banner for those looking to +10 some characters or get ones they don’t have yet. Honestly for me personally the only ones I don’t care about are HS!Ryoma and L!Azura, the others I will gladly take.
Omg! I recently spent 329 orbs on the Mythic banner of Sothis, I don’t know if I will have enough orbs for all of this. But maybe I can refrain myself to spend orbs on the Brave banner, I just need for the moment a free Micaiah, because I really want at least 2 copies of that L!Julia !!
Wow, Camilla finally got a better costume, congrats to her. Though I’m not sure what happened to her neck, is she ok?
The rest also look great, especially Eliwood and Micaiah.
May you please reposition details on leaks after this article’s jump, more specially after info from FEH Channel, & warn people about said leaks before revealing their details? People like me consider leaks to be spoilers, & I feel disrespected that I not only see them without warning but also before & after officially released material. As a reference, Fire Emblem Heroes Reddit placed this leak behind spoilers tags because they know that some people don’t want to see them without choice as they scroll through posts.
I didn’t consider the leak to be a “leak”, as it wasn’t datamined out of the game, but rather, something that anybody playing the game could have seen at the time of its posting since it was just posted on the FEH bulletin board and then later removed.
I can keep this in mind for future news summary postings, and I can edit this one for folks that haven’t seen it yet.
I do appreciate you voicing your concerns. It helps me improve as an editor, and will do my best to post articles that can appeal to folks like you that prefer to keep certain things obscured, and others that prefer to see things as they come up 🙂
Thank you for sharing that info. I learned some things as well.
Also, may you please forgive me if at any moment in my previous post I’ve overemphasized my point in a way that implies impatience? That was actually my first post ever in this comment section, but I assure you that my future posts will be more calm through experience.
Lastly, thank you so much for rearranging this articles contents! I believe that a post like this will now appeal to both parties that you’ve mentioned.
First, Picnic Flora & Felicia whom are season-locked; then, Brave Eliwood whom will be free to some & regularly summon-able; now, Petra whom will also be regularly summon-able? R.I.P. beasts’ reliability in AR. We all knew it was coming, but to me, it’s coming too soon after dragons’ reliability in AR dropped. Well, here’s hoping that Petrine from “Path of Radiance” gets released soon with her beast-effective Flame Lance. Plus, I’m already adapting.
So who did everyone go for? I got Eliwood for my free unit and then pulled for Micaiah which I was lucky and got pretty early. The others while tempting to pull for I will let be “nice” pity breakers for the future.
I went with Eliwood too, mostly cause of favoritism for his game, then tried for Alm and Micaiah (don’t care for Camilla, Veronica is better in every way) but got neither unfortunately.
It seemed like a lot of people were going to go for Micaiah as their freebie so I figured, given the relative rarity of green orbs (for me at least) that that seemed a logical choice. I pulled for Eliwood (also favouritism) and thought if I had the orbs to spare I’d go for Alm, too. After getting spooked by a flying Nino and a Berkut, I managed to get all of them, all in about 115 orbs. My stash was 130, so I’m glad I have a bit left to start rebuilding for the legendary banner at the end of the month. Was originally saving for that because I forgot we were getting the CYL banner this month. Still hoping I’ll have enough to make that banner doable, though!
I’d love to +10 Micaiah at some point (to match my +10 OG Miccy and my +2 Yukata Miccy), so I went for her for my free one and I’ve been trying for more green Orbs since then. So far, all I’ve gotten are more pity-breakers (including a Brave Eliwood, which at least made me happy), so it’ll be a long journey.
Regardless, leaks were right, think I’ll save more orbs though, not seeing anything I want, so would rather save for Edelgard, Elincia, or other units I like a lot.
See I’m sorta glad that there are still occasional TMS#FE cards as it almost make it seem like they IS still remembers it. If I can I might try to nab that card as since I was not a fan of Kiria normal design I generally used that costume during my play through.
Yeah, I’m guessing we’ll just get the occasional TMS#FE cards in red/blue sets as they come, as there’s not much reason to make a full TMS#FE portion unless they rerelease the game on Switch or so.
I was think that the CYL 1 units have been powercrept…with the exception of B!Lyn, and how they all need something too bring themselves to the level of the current CYL. They’ll probably get some busted refinements considering who they are.
I am EXTREMELY tempted to buy that Ike watch. But almost $280 dollars Canadian for a watch is steep to say the least, especially as it doesn’t ship until February…
My first thought was “wait, who’s Lombard?” and then I realized it’s Lex’s father. I’m used to the VERY old fan translation that called him “Langobolt”.
Went in with 320 orbs to secure me more copies of Tana, and some 4* Tate in the process. Well, I got one of the former, and not a single Tate. I also got two Kliff in the same session, Olwen, Morgan, and Hector. Overall rather shit results.
Im pretty happy if I interpret these silhouettes right. Boy with short and a girl with long hair dancing…….which game featured that…..lets just say i would be pretty disappointet if these two arent Berkut and Rinea^^
Another Reinhardt? Eyvel isn’t in the game yet, is she? It’s interesting how FEH saved him from being ignored like the rest of Thracia. Julius will go on a killing spree.
“Eyvel isn’t in the game yet, is she?”
lol anyone not named Reinhardt or Ishtar being relevant.
Reinhardt is the “face” of FE 5 after all to most people who play feh, so of course they’re using him. Can’t wait for them to retcon him in the FE 5 remake.
Glad Rinea is the free unit. hmmm Probably Nephenee she looks a little silly in the gown but still with her helmet but I’d be kicking myself if I didn’t nab her. Maybe go for Berkut to complete the set but we will see.
I’m just hoping that the censors seen is due to the all-ages nature of the Directs and the actual game isn’t gonna be having any of it. Censorship’s been considerably looser ever since the Wii U era, so it’d be a shame to see a step being taken back.
NGL, would still buy the game even if the old censorship is retained. I’ll just end up playing the entire gravure chapter with a mildly pouty face.
I didn’t get “upset at gay romance”. I was annoyed at the fact that people want to have more romance options in a game that is better off without it. Had the person asked for anything else within the same topic I would’ve jumped on it as well, I can guarantee you that much.
nice, could never play this one because i didnt own a wii u, now they remake this, xenoblade 1, seiken densetsu 3 and dragon quest 11 for switch…….guess i wont be seen outside anywhere next yearxD
First Jugdralts that are actual special banners and we get… Reinhardt/Ishtar. If we were really going down the Ishtar route, we could’ve set her up with Julius instead, especially since Julius has an actual relation with the protagonist of FE4’s Gen 2, but I’d rather they use the actual lords instead (Leif/Nanna would’ve been really cute). But Rinea finally being in the game is definitely something to celebrate.
Personally never liked this game. FE3H is the most SMT x FE we’ll get (and even that’s kind of a stretch). But I guess it exists on the Switch now? So, that’s two SMT x FE games we have.
The game that managed to trigger two fanbases at once with the dumb idol thing, and then fans of the actual game because its censorship. I wonder if there’s still hope for all of you who want it uncensored.
Hilariously, Claude’s cards list his name as “Claude (Fodlan)”, probably to differentiate him from FE4 Claud. (Spelled the same in Japanese, and given TCG mechanics you’d be able to do weird promotions and level-ups if they had the same name)
“Note that if you clear Maddening mode without selecting New Game +, the title screen will change.”
That sounds like the way IntSys intends for this difficulty to be played, by starting from a fresh file. I’m still completing the other routes on Hard, I’ll give Maddening a try once all the other DLC are out.
It probably won’t be until Christmas that I’ll have the time to try this mode out with the new semester starting back up. I’ll probably be back in the mood for it by then too.
Have only been able to complete the GD route so far. Now I’m conflicted to play Maddening on New Game+ cos its fun or go standard New Game to unlock the different title screen…
I’ve not checked yet, but it mentions the current costumes are for the students, so guessing we have nothing for the church members? I really hope we get some new outfits for them, too, at some point. Don’t want them to be missed out >.<
“I am merely a traveller. No, really. This Sable Lance doesn’t imply anything at all.”
…They really should’ve just made his crit quote “I’M NOT CAMUS!!!!”
Also, interesting how New Mystery removed Phina’s access to Rapiers, but it’s back here. Kaga always said her being able to use Rapiers implied she had some kind of royal blood, so glad this detail is “canon” again.
Nagi has a different VA to Naga if I’m remembering right. That’s… kind of weird. Though she is implied to be a reincarnation rather than literally Naga.
Nice banner, probably gonna go for Norne the most as I liked using her in Shadow Dragon. One thing is bugging me though, why is it that they are using a SoV soundtrack for New Mystery characters? I mean seriously, it’s obvious which game they’re from, Camus posing as his alter-ego is a straight up give away as is Nagi. And I’ve never even played New Mystery either.
I too will probably pull for Norne as I actually like her design and used here the few times I played Shadow Dragon but its either going to be her or Feena that is dropped to 4 Star and I kinda feel like it be her given she doesn’t have anything super special like the others.
Actually it is likely that Norne will be the demote as she is similar to Silas from last year with her Guard Bow and even putting Reposition into the colorless pool
I am all on board for what they did for Bantu. It gives you a chance at getting a new unit without the stress of a pity breaker or needing to get it right now on it’s opening banner. I’d be very happy if they do that some more in the future.
Black eagles makes sense since he was absent post timeskip. As for the Blue lions, if he was to be recruited, then who will take his place in fort merceus?
pretty weird considering how she seems to get an alternative costume seeing how she isn’t playable in any form- maybe these news turn out to be fake or some other content might be added? feels kinda off considering how Sothis has crit/battle quotes & etc in the game’s directory…maybe it was planned to add her, but the idea was ultimately scratched? Pity considering how strong she is in heroes!
why would this news be fake. And not all premade materials get used. Its made for what if scenarios. Like if they decided to give us playable sothis. But from what this says, then for now that isn’t happening.
At least, some more cutscenes so that she gets more screen time? Basically, she should be like Helga from Dies Irae. Every iteration of the story has her appear more and more. Initially, Helga could not physically manifest. Interview with Kaziklu Bey has her physically manifest only when Wilhelm uses the highest magnitude of his Briah (the self-destructive sort). The anime has her manifest every time Wilhelm uses any magnitude of Briah, and I’m pretty sure when he is using Yetzirah, too.
“considering how strong she is in heroes!”
Well she’s a god, a mythic hero, plot critical, “whale bait”, etc.
Remember this is the same game that made:
-Seth and Mathilda garbage
-Karla and Ayra godly
Well, we don’t know if this is a completed list to begin with, DLC is still 7 months away, and Nintendo might not be fully reveal the content yet. Sothis getting clothes but nothing else and Jeritza being the only exclusive character makes me wonder.
We also don’t know if there are more DLCs later, all previous FE games gets twice the amount the DLC than we have now (Awakening $50, Fates $78 if you counted paths, SoV $45)
Seeing as how she is partially complete as a playable character in the current game’s code, maybe they just had a costume made for her and are throwing it in as DLC. Anyways, I don’t think they’d leave out major DLC info like a playable character.
Unfortunately, that’s all we’ve got. It seems to be the new story content, but calling it a “mode” is pretty weird. Maybe it’s separate from the main game like the Torna DLC for Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
Inb4 its a 1 save run so that every decision counts. Once you’re out of pulses that its time to start a new save. I always loved iron man runs in Xcom and i wish fire emblem had that too.
If I were to guess, I’d say that sounds akin to the infinite dungeon of Final Fantasy Tactics. “The Story is Over, but WHOA we found this portal for endless potentially randomized maps!”
Well, perhaps not in the way you or I would like it, but if they threw in some dialogue to motivate why we get “infinite months, infinite maps” mode post-credits (something the game would “need” with its final DLC, IMO)… that might be “story enough” to say “side story.” We’ll see :).
My guess is that it would be some Gold and exp farming maps. Maybe some where you farm Materials and weapons too, who knows?
Nintendo did that since Awakening.
This would be auxillary battles, which were added in the first wave already and they didn’t called them story content. They literally called them ‘grinding maps’ in the annoucnement.
YOu can only grind them as long as you got points what i mean maps that dont need any points and can be repeated whenever you want like in normal mode.
If i where to guess it will probably be you importing your current save to another “story” that takes place after the game ends. Using all your units, but only the new characters and byleth will actually be part of the story probably.
Three Houses has been quite non-pandering and tasteful as far as modern FE goes, so it’s going to be reaaally interesting to see how they will handle it. Maybe IntSys/Koei will say fuck it and go full fanservice-mode.
lol what kind of retarded fuckface is this? the only pedophiles are the ones who defend pedo art to begin with (like those gamergate scumbags who were butt hurt at the censored panty shots in TMS).
The difference between gamergate and Retardera is that we at the very least defend artistic freedom for fictional characters.
You guys on the other han are into real girls.
Just look how many pedophilia advocates are on Resetera.
Judith better be playable in wave 4 it would be nonsense if Jeritza is playable in specific route which obviously makes sense but not her she’s one of my favorite supporting character and would gladly S Support her too!
As far as online features go, I’m surprised that this game doesn’t have an “indirect PVP” mode allowing players to pick a loadout of defending units on a map of their choosing that other players can just raid. I don’t know how rewards would fit in a non-normal/casual playthrough where combat opportunities are precious, but that could be really fun to get stats on how well your team is doing. This is my first FE game, so maybe that’s sacrilege in this series, but I’ve enjoyed something like that in other games. I do respect FE3H not doing *direct* PVP, I think that could only breed negativity, personally, and begin the groaning for “class balance” that really doesn’t belong in a game like this.
In Fire Emblem Fates, the indirect PVP worked pretty much like how you suggested, and the battles were always played in casual, no matter what difficulty your save was set to. Fates also had direct PVP, though that didn’t affect your save at all, seeing as it was a different game mode accessed from the main menu
I for one think three houses is certainly the FE that would’v benefited the most from *direct* PVP given that weapons aren’t locked to classes and any character could become any class. PVP in fates really fell off due to things like the Hacked skills/classes and Pair-Up still being broken, but moreso imo that routing the enemy was literally the only mode. If the My castle sieges were active PVP along with Seizing the throne or arrival/defend maps would be great. Heck, I’d be hard pressed to say Co-OP maps w/Leaderboards would be fun or all out Battle royales a la “Blood of the Eagle and Lion” would make pvp work.
I wonder if this is a complete or only partial list, things like “Sothis clothes” makes little sense since she has so little screen time, probably 1/3 was animated cutscenes, unless Sothis ended up being a playable later as well.
Byleth: “You know how we went out to take revenge on that girl that killed my father? So, funny story, she’ll be joining you in class from now on.”
Leonie: *angry Leonie noises*
Byleth: “What do you mean why? Have you seen her divine boobs? Even the goddess herself would be envious. It would be sacrilegious to kill her.”
Leonie: …
Leonie: …
I hope Jeritza is recruit able in any route. As after i am done with maddening the only run i will have left is the church run. And i think i will be saving that for abyss mode. Since i think that is the hardest route.
I’m looking forward to more things to do around the Monastery.
I think they did an overall good job with it but even I can’t deny that it gets a little monotonous later on since there aren’t that many activities to do overall.
hooooo boy can’t wait for guys over at resetera to have a breakdown over the sauna
jokes aside the new waves of dlc’s looks good & with anna in the mix? IM IN
Haha almost counts.
Didn’t mean for my comment to read as rude
I meant it’s high quality stuff, it looks good I just don’t buy much merch so when I do I’m picky with it; gotta have my favorites
I always though Paladin Amelia had a really cool palette in FE8, so glad to see that promotion branch get some love for once. Fishing Byleth is also amazing.
I didn’t see anything about winning one on the 1st 2 “season” Twitter links. Maybe I’m just stupid? I probably won’t remember to come back here, but you should probably make that part more clear for others who chare my affliction.
The Blue color is so weak!
For me, this banner is great, because I don’t have any of the Red Heroes, Yune is one of my merge projects and Colorless os pretty strong as well.
God, I fucking hope that they give the girls a Grappler line variant, and the guys a Pegasus Knight and Gremory variant. Locking certain classes behind gender when the units could wreck even more shit is baffling to me.
Wait, do you have to participate in the Twitter questionnaire to receive the 10 orbs, or does only one person of all the people playing need to answer five questions correctly for everyone to get the prize?
HOLY GOD, THIS MUST BE MY FAVORITE BANNER FROM ALL TIME.
L’Arachel looks so god damn good, Dozla is my favorite berserker of all games (and I always wanted to know how tall was he!), ILYANA MADE ME SCREAM FROM HAPPINESS, Hector with Lilina is just plain cute and fearsome and Rolf was a beast in both my runs of FE9 and 10. Bad thing is that I just spent most of my orbs on the New Mystery banner (but it was worthy because of the +DEF/-SPD Nagi).
Huh, and here I though L’Arachel was gonna be a horse dagger, didn’t expect her to be a mage. This is a pretty good banner otherwise though I do admit they are getting a little carried away with making armors for Halloween characters, a little variety wouldn’t hurt. On a side note Lillina as a child is really adorable, I wonder if she and Hector will give hints as to who her mother is considering Hector has three potential wives to choose from (he does not marry Serra I’m pretty sure despite having a ending with her).
I don’t consider Heroes particularly canon, but even then I doubt they would make any such reference. The other kids keep their default hair colours and seem to stay away from the topic.
True I won’t deny that but it would be nice if they gave hints to who the other potential parent is. Also I already got my answer cause I managed to snag Hector and Lillina (I also got Ilyana with bot characters being from the tickets everyone gets), too bad his IVs aren’t exactly all that great at +HP/-DEF, bleh. HP I’ll take but that -DEF is gonna hurt in the long run unless I’m able to snag another Hector and Lillina, not that Ilyana is much better with +SPD/-HP. X_X
I’m guessing that it wasn’t mentioned? That’s rather unlucky though with the pulls. Personally I always make sure to go for at least two of the character I want, just so I can erase the bane. In this banner I only want L’Arachel but I haven’t managed to get her yet though.
Well not through their little conversation they have between the two of them no, it’s mostly a nod to when Lillina and Roy are introduced in the Epilogue of 7 and foreshadowing Hector’s death in 6 and what Lillina will have to do in the aftermath of it. Haven’t tried doing the little “tap on the character and they’ll talk to you, laugh or grunt” yet but I’ve a feeling they won’t mention anything.
Yeah those IVs for both suck but I’ve had worse, with -ATK being the most annoying and constant one that I end up getting on most of the characters I want. Most of the Lyns I’ve gotten (I’ve got all but Bride Lyn) are either -ATK or -SPD two of her worst banes for her to even want,
Hope you’re able to get L’Arachel before the banners over with and with good IVs too. Good luck.
I’ve had that happen too, but quite rarely. The Thrasir I got recently was perfect with +Spd/-Def as an example of the opposite.
Anyway, I did get two of her just now in about 40 orbs, but both are +HP and -Spd/Atk. In these situations I just leave the unit in the barracks until I have one with more favourite IVs to merge into at once. There’s a quite some time left in this banner so maybe I’ll get a better one. It would be great if the next banner was an Awakening one so I can skip it too.
It’s looking up for sure. I got spooky Myrrh on my free summon in today’s banner as well. +Def/-Spd too. Just wish I was this lucky when it came to getting 4* copies of Tate, because I haven’t gotten a single one since May, lol.
Anyway, L’Arachel is actually really good. She slotted in perfectly in my AR defence team and has already contributed to two wins. That might be credit to the team in general though since I’ve successfully defended all 8 battles this week.
Wow, wish my Myrrh had that, she’s -DEF/+RES which is not the worst but not that great either. Speaking of, I got another Ilyana yesterday with better IVs, +RES/-DEF. Way better than the +SPD one thats for sure though if I hadn’t gotten that one first and this is what I got instead I’d be fine with it. Sure she’ll be a bit frailer in terms of taking physical hits but thats nothing ward armor and distant/close defense can’t patch up. Yeah Tate’s gonna be hard to get thanks to the 4* pool in general being so large now, heck Shanna’s not easy to come by either.
You’re doing better on your AR-Ds than I am thats for sure, I’m lucky to get even one win much less win all 8 within the season.
May I suggest merging them to get rid of her Def bane? Unless you really want to give away any of her skills her base Def is more solid than it seems with the tome’s fury effect. Personally I would give her FD/R as well for an effective +9 to her defences.
As for Tate and her sister, you’re right with that. I have the former at +7 so only three more copies are needed, and around six of the latter waiting for the day when I have nothing else to build. Last night I dreamed about the return of the fabled 4* focus banners that’s been MIA since its first appearance. It was one of the better concepts the game had imo.
Way ahead of you there, lol. That was an instant thing I did when I got that new Ilyana. Probably not gonna fodder her off anytime soon, not till either my current one is +10 or I get a +ATK one and +10 that one, though the +10 part isn’t gonna happen anytime soon as I don’t have any money in my google account to buy orbs and whale for her so I’ve been pretty much yoloing whenever I get 5 orbs. As for her A skill since it’s open, I actually might give her Fury or a possible breath skill. Fury because more stats = super tanky mage and she’ll also hit like a truck at the cost of 12 HP which won’t bother me cause I like having a healer tag along to keep my team healthy. Or a breath skill cause why not? It’s be similar to what you suggest in Fortress Defense/Res but without the -3 attack loss. Plus double charge for her special.
Already have my Shanna at +10 as a 4* (she’s not getting 5*ed anytime soon) and I think my Tate is like +2 or +3 not 100% sure. I honestly don’t remember that banner though thats probably cause a different banner was up at the same time and that had my attention.
I went a similar route with L’Arachel. I like to have solid stat increases rather than combat buffs, so with LnD and the Fury effect she has a pretty crazy 63 Atk at only +2. Since her and Ilyana share the same weapon effect the build would be functionally the same except I’d go for defences rather than offences for Ilyana.
FD/R is definitely more expensive though, but the -2 Atk is negligible. Even at base she is a slower but tankier Halloween Henry, so I don’t see much value in adding to her Spd if you aren’t planning to go for an unconventional +Spd build, in which case she could reach a respectable number. But it’s true that you’d probably get more value out of stacking Fury, so maybe just go for the cheaper option.
Well L’Arachel’s defense and res aren’t all that great anyways so LnD is a good fine on her and she’s fairly fast so the extra speed’s fine on her. Yikes at that 63 ATK with only +2 merges by the way. >_>
True, the extra speed is nice for to not get doubled but it’s mostly the other three stats that fury buffs. Also it’s -3 not -2 for the fortress skills.
Oh. I was talking about FD/R3, meaning +6 Def/Res -2 Atk. If you mean the original skills then it’s absolutely not worth it. Fury is far more useful I’d say, or even the breath skills that you mentioned.
I have no feelings for tap battle being gone I only did it once a month anyways but one of my friends is actually sad that it is gone as he enjoyed trying to beat all the difficulties. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Good question. The mode is completely gone from events – not even greyed out. It would be reasonable to assume it is completely removed from the game for now.
They might bring it back in the future sometime, but who knows when – if ever.
Yeah, I feel as if they would’ve put out some sort of message if they intended to retire it for good. Personally I hope it’s gone though, it’s a waste of time and not what I play FE for.
I will miss Tap Battle so much! it was such a refreshing mode where you could actually hear special quotes from staff units or aoe ones, aside form being a rhytmic game of truly great music oh well
Am I the only one having trouble downloading the update? I mean I updated the game to 3.10, but when the game tries to download the new content, it gets stuck (at 88%, at 86%, and now at 6%) anyone encountered a similar issue?
This almost makes me want to play a mobile game. Almost. However, it still seems like a huge hassle and time sink. If nothing else hopefully there’ll be more Ilyana fanart.
I mean you don’t have to its a more downgrade of the mainline games with little events and modes at least you can get the art off the internet if you want and yeah I like when characters get some exposure for more art at least!
300 orbs and I failed to get Ilyana which was the primary unit I pulled for got (in no particular order) 2 D!Hector, 1 Dolza (which I kinda didn’t want), 1 Sue (which I didn’t have), 1 flying Nino, 1 Brave Celica, 1 Hardin, and an Exalted Chrom. All I really wanted was the hungry girl QQ
I know what you feel, with 400 Orbs I got:
3x Dozla, Exalt Chrom, Hardin, Reinhardt, Laevatin, Tate & H! L’Arachel;
But no Ilyana. Well, next year then~
Correction I think: I believe Hilda grabs that last R spot as opposed to Leonie. I unfortunately do not yet play Cipher, so I am not 100% certain. Based on how the cards look though, I think am correct.
I bought this game because I didn’t care about the so-called censorship (really the only people upset over it are perverted pieces of shit who want to jack it to animu panties and tits–you’ll never see them complain about games that censor sexy content aimed at women or gay men). However it’s actually pretty boring and kind of dumb that half the female playable characters summon male Fire Emblem characters instead of female characters. Anyway I never finished it. I’ll probably still re-buy it on Switch just out of morbid curiosity.
Interestingly, the sprite of Ephriam for the sleeves seems to be new, in the style of more modern FE map sprites. I’m not saying this confirmed a Sacred Stones remake, but it’s interesting.
“The 3H portion of the set will primarily focus on Edelgard‘s story and its cards will feature advanced Crest powers.”
I can’t be the only one who noticed the irony in that.
Spent a few orbs and the tickets to see if I couldn’t get Thilque, but that’s it for me. Unless November gives us characters I really want (I will guarantee break for Gerik or Tethys), I’m gonna save up for when W!Tharja gets a rerun. She’s at +4, so it’s slowly getting there.
This is a good banner, I’ll gladly take everyone but Ryoma, Lucina and Azura cause I could care less about those three. Also you forgot to put Fallen Tiki under the colorless list as only Alm’s on there.
“When under player’s control, unit gains: “If unit initiates combat, foe cannot make a follow-up attack.”
This line is interesting. it indicates a certain power creep. There is no true PvP so it matters not but it is interesting to note.
It’s an interesting way of handling powercreep. Give players units with broken effects that only apply to them so that unit won’t potentially ruin the meta (they did a similar thing with Duo Hector’s skill being a player only thing). This might be an indication that they want to address a major grievance with AR defenses.
This looks like a good chance to score a couple Marisa, though I’ll likely get tricked by the other blues instead. Glad to see Leaf getting some focus as well even though I still only have one copy of his original version.
190 orbs netted me Tiki, Aqua, Alm, and Marisa. I’m happy I got one of the latter, but what makes this less of a disappointment is that I finally got a Tate. Now I only need two more to make her +10.
Not interested. People are constantly talking about how much they want remakes of games that are still playable. I’ve already played FE4/5/6, why would I want to play them again with shinier graphics and terribly translated character names? If anything, I’d much rather see effort put into VC versions of those titles.
As much as I love FE4, gameplay is where it suffers the most. They need to find a way to allow foot units to catch up with mounted units, weapon weight needs to balanced (axes, tome weight), rework the love system, and give the characters a personality. Thracia is fine, maybe make it not cryptic and change the caps from 20. Binding Blade needs to rework its cast in terms of gameplay, fix axe weapon accuracy, rework ambush spawns, clarify gaidens and the true ending. I wouldn’t call these games unplayable, but we have more standards now, so it would be best to remake these games.
FE4 is a game I respect greatly but don’t really enjoy playing that much. I’ve beat it a couple of times of the last two decades though. For me, FE5 is the pinnacle of FE in general, and the low caps are part of that. It’s the best way of avoiding an Awakening situation. What you have to keep in mind when discussing is that all games in the series has flaws. One thing that doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough is how many builds FE4 went through before it became finalised, and how cohesively all the new systems and random ideas still work together to form a perfectly functional game. The maps are huge though and because of this you simply cannot get away from the fact that mounted units are going to be more valuable than footlocked ones. It’s another example of resource-based gameplay. The only thing I would say is that I’m not the biggest fan of the map design itself which is what I personally love about the series, but I do like the concept of a giant battlefield with smaller skirmishes occuring on it.
As for FE6, you have to remember when and how the game was made. It was the start of a new era of FE, on a new system and with different design sensibilities. Not everyone played on their GBA like they did with their SNES. Changes had to be made. It was also the first game without Kaga on the team. For everything that could’ve gone wrong with it, it played like a dream and allowed for FE7 and 8 to be made on the same engine. There’s also a surprising amount of content in the game, with the chapters feeling different enough from each other which made the gameplay pretty great. Overall, I don’t feel as if this game gets the respect it deserves.
Still, the best argument you could’ve presented would’ve been that the games were never released in the west. I wouldn’t get my hopes up for any substantial changes after the trainwreck that is SoV tried to balance Gaiden by not only keeping the same shitty design philosophy, but also cutting out harmless exploits and making the game even more of a slog to play. That’s how I’d like it though. Like I wrote elsewhere, that amount of faithfulness would make other remakes actually worth something.
Not everyone emulates, and a lot of people can’t sit through an old game (which I’m guilty of too sometimes). There’s also a lot of qol stuff the older games lack too. I agree with the general idea that I’m scared they’ll ruin the “good parts” of FE 4 though. But hey people demand THE REINHARDT and all for Fe 5, which is definitely most at risk of being messed with. Such as a playable Reinhardt.
Not necessarily. I’ve seen regular people emulate games on their phones for as long as smartphones have been capable of stable emulation. You’d be surprised at how many know where to find roms for emulation. Finding and applying a translation patch adds a couple of extra steps, but there’s sites out there who make prepatched roms readily available for those laymen who may not know how to use patchers. If people really are interested in playing the older titles, there is not much standing in their way other than personal misgivings.
If we do get a remake, I don’t want another SoV. Gaiden had archaic and bad designs that were due to hardware limitations and inexperienced developers. It is possible to preserve the spirit of the original while also refining or even drastically changing gameplay elements to meet the higher modern standards (RE2 Remake is a good example). Many of the ideas that originated from the Bronze age of FE (1-5) have been refined in later games. This is why SoV failed, it didn’t reimplement the refinements from 20+ of new games hindsight.
The worst thing about Echoes is that it was as straight of a remake it possibly could’ve been for about the only game in the series that needed something more. Echoes being as faithful as it was makes me optimistic of other remakes being actually good. I don’t want another New Mystery situation again.
New Mystery was fine imo. The Avatar parts were cheesy and sometimes cringey, but that’s about it. Shadow Dragon, on the other hand… The only way to see the new content is to suck at the game. And I still kind of like it because of its atmosphere.
Remember that the only reason they did that was because Book 2 of FE3 was pretty short and had a plot consisting of air. Still, outside of the tumor that is Kris I don’t think it’s too bad. It’s different enough from FE3 that it warrants a playthrough, and I think that’s my issue with it. The positive is that it was a remake of an already great game and thus managed to dodge the bad design of casual mode. But even then, the original is a classic way to enjoy the game that still holds up today. It’s such a cool slice of its era.
Fire Emblem Echoes: Elegy of Jugdral
Fire Emblem Echoes: Embers of Elibe
I’d love a remake of either of these. Hopefully it will be a combination of two (4+5 or 6+7).
I played Genealogy of the Holy War for the first time recently. I can see why people think it’s so great, but honestly it was a chore to finish. It’s so slow! It takes hours to go through the arena with everyone and drag every character across the enormous maps. A remake with modern day quality of life improvements like speeding up or skipping animations, auto battle to move all your units closer to your leader, and maybe even mounted units being able to give infantry units a lift would make it one of the best in the series for sure.
And Binding Blade, I didn’t like this one. So many borderline unusable units, same turn reinforcements, an overabundance of long-range tomes and status staves, cryptic true ending conditions, a lord that’s a liability most of the time and traps that are pure RNG as to whether you lose a character or not. I don’t blame them, it was their first attempt without Kaga. But it being remade with better design and turn rewinds would make it so much easier to enjoy. It could be bundled with FE7 where you unlock it after the main game so that it can still be kept relatively difficult.
I fear they’ll ruin what makes Fe 4 good. Never thought about the carrying infantry idea. That’d be a welcome change. There’s definitely a lot of qol things they can change but, again, there’s a lot of things they could change to “modernize” it in a bad way i’m scared about.
I used to be on board with a FE 6/7 bundle remake, but really it’s not practical. They’re both full games, and the generational mechanics people always propose only carries to like 5 characters in FE 6.
I put my money on a Binding-blazing remake, protagonists from both game have been in the top 2 in each year of choice your legend in fire emblem heroes so its has an established audience , also one of the developers admited that he would like to make a remake for Roy.
And; well, if it were a remake of both games, then it will be able to please people that want the marriage and kids mechanics back
While Roy is popular, I wouldn’t really say he’s established the way you do. Cause honestly, he’s only really popular cause of smash memes. Don’t get me wrong he has a fanbase, but only half of those people, at best, actually know what he’s like/played his game as opposed to “Roy’s our boy”.
Roy was popular in Japan after game release and was the number 1 in popularity in the said game (iirc), long befoore “smash memes” took off. Many of the people in the poll noted his maturity for his age.
Roy suffered a lot from lack of localization and proper translation of the game (and unreasonably late in-game promotion). He was definitely one of the most unique lords in the series in the sense that he is highly intelligent and cunning for his age (and knows how to play around with politics), even if he was secretly insecure about being forced in such a difficult position. The game goes out of its way many times to point out how much insight Roy has when confronted with difficult situations, often at Merlinus’s expanse (e.g. When Roy went to clear out the pirates in isles as a political deal, then a certain bard told Roy there are rumors that he was tricked and people were plotting things while he was away, people urged Roy to return quickly, but Roy opted to continue the task because if would be worse if he didn’t complete his deal and his father was in mainland, it would be rash to go back just because of rumors). In fact, many of the dangers that Roy got out of were thanks to Roy planning in advance, like sending a letter to Cecilia in advance because he foresaw the situation is likely to get bad.
There’s also a lot of Roy’s character that were locked behind support conversations, which is something that the remake should fix as well.
While I was annoyed at another Ephriam at first, he’s a Duo so that’s fine I guess. Glad to see the others here. Gerik is one of my favourite Mercenaries in the series, and I totally called Tethys using daggers if she was ever in Heroes. Like Ewan’s voice, too.
You know technically speaking, this is also a Lyon alt even though he’s more like a permanent “pair up” for Ephraim like kid Lillina is to Halloween Hector.
They still have to announce the rest of Three Houses DLCs and we don’t know how much replayability they will add (in a game with four routes to follow). I think it’s too early to announce a new game, even if it’s a remake.
Still, I hope they eventually release those two, though, Binding Blade first so Holy War can learn of possible mistakes and be more polished. That game deserves the best.
This is a good banner, I’m really glad that IS/Nintendo are moving away from Awakening/Fates for a little while since those two have had so much attention lately. Not that I’m saying thats a bad thing, more like its annoying how much attention they’ve gotten compared to the other games.
Um, they’ve moved away from Awakening and Fates for a while now. In 2019, there’s been one dedicated Awakening banner, and two Fates banner (Jan and Feb btw). There has also been 5 Fates heroes added in a non-Fates dedicated set.
If anything, Telius has been getting the most attention with 3 dedicated banners, and 6 heroes added in non-dedicated sets. Granted, two of those banners were adding beast units, but so was one of Fates’s.
I meant over the entirety of the game as a whole. Up till now Fates had the most characters with Camilla having the most alts (and she still does thanks to her getting her brave alt recently).
You said “those two had so much attention lately” which implies recency, when the opposite is true. Lately the attention has predominately been on the other games. Also, Lyn is tied with Camilla for most alts, they both have 6 total versions in the game.
This year yes thats true but the last two years have been nearly all of Awakening and Fates. And Lyn is not tied with Camilla for alts, Camilla has one more than Lyn therefore having the most alts at 7. I think you forgot to count one amongst Camilla’s alts plus her normal self and if you aren’t counting either Camilla or Lyn’s normal self then Camilla STILL has more at 6 to Lyn’s 5. Lets see here, for Lyn counting her normal self she has Bride, Valentine, Brave, Legendary and Summer meanwhile Camilla has along with her normal self, Spring, that Dream self which honestly I’m not sure what to title her as, Summer, New Years, Hot Springs and Brave.
Yeah, you’re right about Camilla alts, I miss counted.
“Last two years,” hasn’t the game only be out for like 2 year and a half? Can I not go a single month without seeing someone unironically complain about Awakening/Fates characters? Since the second year of FEH, Elibe has been getting more attention, and Telius in year 3.
This is the internet, you’ll always see someone bitching about something no matter what. I did say that Awakening/Fates getting characters in wasn’t a bad thing just annoying favoritism before this year and I’m honestly just happy IS/Nintendo are gonna put them on the back burner for a little bit thats all.
Only really want Gerik from this banner, but since Cormag will be free I think I’ll just skip it entirely. L’Arachel and Marisa went off with all my orbs anyway.
Hey, everyone. Here’s important info about Ephraim (and Lyon):
The Dynastic Duo will most likely only be available for limited periods of time. In other words, they most likely won’t permanently be added to the summoning pool after this banner ends. Yes, really! (I was shocked to know that, too!) If you don’t believe me, then read the fine print near the end of the video. It seems that all Duo Heroes will get the Special/Legendary/Mythic Hero treatment. (Tethys, Gerik, Ewan, and Ross will be permanently available, though.)
“Improved results from faculty training and instruction this moon” (and builds a bit of support between the two characters). Don’t know how Byleth’s boosts are affected when going in the sauna multiple times though.
I hope wave 4 make it so characters with unique designs on early class mounts apply to the advance ones too ie Ingrid and Leonie this shouldn’t be hard at all PLEASE!
“Fixed a bug that accidentally turned students who aren’t from the protagonist’s house into allies in Chapter 1: Three Houses.”
“Fixed a bug that caused Dimitri’s face to sometimes display incorrectly.”
Excellent, so far I can just save my money this Set, I don’t like Edelgard or really most of 3H and Yellow is almost guaranteed a pass assuming we don’t get another Ishtar card.
It seemed more logical to do all the Book 1 units before any of the new ones to begin with. Then again, the refines themselves also get progressively better, so older units benefit more from getting one later one.
Hmm, if Valkire really is in the game with this 4th wave of DLC it’s likely to be female only as it has been in past Fire Emblems minus the Tactician class in Fates which is similar but is unisex. Since Fire Emblem does have a tendency to use various mythological characters and creatures (dragons being a European myth creature and the Gorgon and Cyclops in SS being the Greek myth creatures) it would stand to reason that the Valkire class is female only since she is a female Norse mythological character who serves the Norse God Odin.
I don’t want more gender exlusive classes especially if all of the new ones are female only. Like bruh, males get shafted when it comes to a Gremoryesque class while the girls get shafted when it comes to a War Master class. The boys can’t even ride Pegasi. I think Dark Flier should be gender neutral to reflect it is not the normal Pegasi IMO. Sadly that probably will not happen.
Well the girls also can’t access Dark Mage (a class Lysithea would LOVE to be in but can’t), Dark Bishop and Hero along WITH War Master and they don’t have a class that focuses on brawling (not counting Enlightened One for F!Byleth since it has brawl as a focus weapon type not to mention thats a personal class anyway). Honestly the girls deserve more classes for them only since the guys have way more as is.
Also just realized that I said Tactician for Fates but it’s actually Strategist since Tactician is a foot unit not a horse one.
I really hope the four new characters come with Timeskip designs with them would be nice! But wouldn’t shock me if they don’t Constance gives me a stoic vibes from her line which sounds badass which I’m already liking potential right there! Balthus looks as close to getting someone close to Holst level which is cool#
Hmm,,, weird thing but I’m kinda sad that none of these characters are shaping up to be the Gatekeeper. like realistically i knew it wasnt really that feasible he’d become playable but i have such a weird and strong love for him, it wouldve been REALLY cool! alas… Yuri does sound like that kind of character i’d love to deploy though, so <3 since they're DLC characters, i really hope they're S-supportable too!
Ah, really? A pity.. Since they won’t be fixing the summoning I was kinda hoping it would be over soon.. Now I’ll just have to keep playing. What’s the next level they’re going to add besides Legendary and Mythic though? Omnipotent?
Cool banner overall. Expected to see Percival in the first last FE6 one so I’m ready to put some orbs in the offer pool for him this time around. Igrene though… My last playthrough was at the beginning of the year and I have no memories of her being that busty, even in the full render. That’s just how it goes I guess.
Nice, wasn’t even aware there was another banner coming out. Gonna have to get used to Lalum’s officially translated name, though thats probably cause I’ve watched SnakeMomMelissa’s replay of Binding Blade cause its so funny to what happens in it Garet kills Zephiel with a hand axe at 10%.
Please, fix the notification about Brunnya. She will be a Tempest Trial unit, not a Grand Hero Battle unit. You guys even shared the official twitter notification, but made a mistake here.
Then you should reevaluate what you’re playing this game for. Powercreep has never been a factor that has bothered me since not only is it unavoidable, but it’s easy to play around. One thing being stronger than something else doesn’t make the worse thing bad, especially in a game with no true PvP. I’m only focusing on my favourites, which consists of a lot of Book 1 units as well as only two armours, and I’m still near the top in both arena and AR.
I’m not really playing that much, but I’ve found it harder and harder to do things anymore. Bad luck and not spending money make the effect of powercreep more and more noticable.
I suppose you’ve heavily invested in your favorites, I’ve not bothered to work towards making 5*+10 units etc. much, and yes, before you tell me I’m playing it wrong, I don’t think I should have to.
I’m only saying this as I consider how playable this game would be coming into it as a new player.
I’m not “upset” or anything similarly silly about not being able to reach a high arena/AR rank etc. because obviously I would have to build a team for that that’s optimized. (I’m comfortably going between 18-19, very rarely going to 20 and I’m good with that)
Just that casually playing the game has become continually less fun as powercreep continues.
*Twiddling thumbs while patiently waiting for news about the “Three Houses” version of FE:Fate’s Revelations where everyone realizes there’s a bunch of assholes pulling all the strings behind the main story.*
The banner ends on December 4th, so there are a lot of orbs to get: MHB orbs, TT Log-in, New Heroes Log-in, VG Log-in, Arena, Allegiance Battles (this season is orbs the rewards), Tap Battle, weekend orbs, VG orbs, December Orbs… Maybe you can get them all and summon in the last day of the banner.
Nice, I’m definitely gonna be trying for Altina since I already have her descendant Sanaki as well as her “successors” to Ragnell and Alondite Ike (both normal and Legendary), Zelgius/Black Knight. Her being a flying unit kind of caught me off guard cause I didn’t notice what type she was until I read her personal skill and had to double check. XD
Definitely gonna try getting all the red orb characters but I’m gonna be try for another L!Lyn cause my current one has absolute crap for IVs in -SPD/+Def, bleh. I’m also gonna try for another L!Kid Tiki cause she’s -Atk/+SPD which is just as bad as Lyn’s terrible IVs.
Knocked out the rest of the TT to get orbs and it took everything I had just to get Altina. I’m happy to get it but sad I’m tapped out again with Christmas around the corner.
I mean maybe but I think a branch of the Apostle family would be known. However Mia is originally from Begnion according to the art book I think and its been many years so perhaps.
if it’s anything like tickets can only be bought inside Japan, but tickets are only need for stage and gallery, you can turn up and buy stuff in the Goods section if you want. Get ready to queue a lot though
Trying the test mode I slapped together a team and I kinda destroyed the Advanced version. Will have to wait and see if it gets harder on the higher tiers but I would be shocked if that isn’t the case. Seems fun but its starting to feel more then a little bloated with timed game modes. I mean we just had “Heroes Draft” and I enjoyed that and we haven’t heard when that’s going to make a return.
Best updates are the QOL skill changes and the Arena scoring changes.
The new mode is a “wait and see” addition, AR was rad at first, but quickly devolved into a stale and toxic meta. Granted that inherent to PvP, so this PvE might turn out nice. However, what was that mode a long time ago that got canned quickly due to player dissatisfaction with how inflated they made enemy stats? I’m worried this mode could quickly devolve into something like that (or it just be stupid easy).
Mjolnir’s strike looks like Galeforce is going to actually be valuable to me again, plus I can spam two glass cannon Units without worrying about them getting wasted Enemy Phase? Yes please, I’m down for an excuse to play around with Rhajat again. In addition, I’m pretty much going to have to use Ishtar every battle for this, she was throwing Mjolnir around long before FEH Thorr tried to waltz in here.
Book IV looks substantially less interesting than Book III judging on the intro vid – I mean, yeah, sure, the background music is fitting and all, but whatever they had playing during Book III’s intro vid was epic and this just doesn’t give the same feel, not to mention the animation for the whole thing looked a little jankier to me. Also don’t think us YGO players didn’t notice that Key Art is basically just drawing off the Dream Mirror archetype with that dark castle in the sky mirroring the light castle on the ground, or the fact that Peony is basically Ikelos the Dream Mirror Sprite. While I’m here, can I just say I can already hear the internet shipping Peony and Sharena off just the Key Art alone?
Trying to figure out who Maiko “is” if anyone given the weapons my first instinct is actually Eir from Heroes. Other then that removal of the protag from the main party in the second playthrough is nice. Still no word on the Western censorship yet though. Most likely isn’t going to revert back but still interested.
It’s not just Western censorship, pretty sure Japan is getting the same censored version the West is getting. This caused a bit of a stir amongst Japanese fans who then bought up the WiiU version in mass.
I remember using the Atlus Collaboration DLC costumes a lot when I first played. I think I had Itsuki in the DeSU2 Protag outfit more than his actual outfit.
Also, the three “support” character’s Sessions seem to be addressing an issue with those moves in the first game: you kinda had to plan what order party members learned Session skills if you didn’t want to mess things up (Overwriting one skill could end up turning a 6 chain into a 3) and it was really hard to plan them for all possible party combinations. Having generalised “bridging” Sessions that link to any magic or any weapon attack might solve that issue.
I really, REALLY want that Sigurd/Deirdre poster. If it’s a card, Screw S17, I’m going to be spending for whichever pack that card will be in when I’m in Japan in late December.
The Sigurd/Deirdre art is from an HR card that will be available in S19, which comes out this week. If you’re going to Japan late December, it should be pretty easy to find as a single in card shops.
Ok so this rerelease is already smarter then Persona 5 Royal’s release was by including DLC that you needed to pay for in the original for free without a extra download.
Sadly, it’s quite hard to buy these outside Japan. You’ll need really good friends in Japan, some kind of proxy service or *shudder* buy them from re-sellers. I do wish Intelligent Systems sold more of these products on their online store. There’s a decent chance (but no guarantee) that the karuta will be sold online later.
Is there a way for us to private message? I can give you prices in the PM and you can decide if you still want them. I’m importing them from Japan so they will arrive in about 3 weeks.
Man, I left Japan last week after living there for almost 3 years. Looking at the items, I really want the fan boxes, Karuta, Domiteriors, and the A3 stand. Hope everyone who goes to Comiket enjoy your time. Stay warm and hydrate.
-most sensible thing is to hold onto your Orbs-
Me: Oh dang Summer Lilina and Picnic Flora I’m going in hard
-only one Red Stone-
-4S Eliwood-
Me: Oh. Eh, you know what, we’ll pick one more, how about…
-Bikini Ursula-
Me: HOT DANG
Oh look, working on unique reclasses and we still don’t seem to have Vanguard Mist incoming. Also gosh dangit 3H, now I’m going to have to save for S21 only to get a bunch of 3H crap instead of the Elibe things I’ll actually want.
This is why I’m seriously considering switching to buying singles instead of boxes for some sets. S19 is perfect for me because Genealogy and 3H are two of my favourite games, but I’m seriously over Fates and will be skipping S20 and instead buying singles for Tellius cards that I want. Sometimes the combos are good, but sometimes it’s just too much depending on the titles offered.
This has my interest, I have the original game (got it at a Flea Market when I went to Florida with my parents, Niece and Nephew to Lego Land), haven’t beaten it yet though I’m close to the end. I’m not one for pop music or music in general but this game is interesting since it has some scenes that are pretty amusing to say the least and the songs are pretty catchy, but then again these songs are Japanese pop songs so of course they’re gonna be rather catchy.
I’m honestly curious as to who Maiko and Barry’s Mirages are, honestly with that little see-through cloth mask Maiko has on her face I was thinking Azura but thats not likely since I believe the original came before Fates iirc so Azura wasn’t a likely candidate for a potential Mirage. Barry is a little harder to figure out since his original Mirage is now Mamori’s though if I had to guess, it’s likely another Knight class character because of the armor.
There’s that, but the primary thing that put the game on the front foot is the Switch having such a large install base. It’s accessible, does a good job of easing new players in, and plays out more like a JRPG. These things pay off for the general audience.
Whelp I know who I’m going after. Gunning for Nino the most. I honestly didn’t recognize Zephiel at first till he was shown off and this is his 18 year old self too. I think I’m gonna die of laughter when I see Jaffar in that suit that Nino most likely convinced him to wear cause I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be caught dead in such a suit but he likely did it to make Nino happy, cause her being happy = less awkwardness for him since he’s not used to such emotions like sadness.
Anyways this is a good banner that I’m honestly happy with, Sothis, Marth and Elice are a bit out of place since this looks like it would’ve been a FE 7 banner considering Nino and Zephiel are on it and Jaffar is a Tempest Trial unit but I’m not gonna complain cause Eliwood, Lyn and Hector all got alts recently and they definitely need to be put on the back burner for a while in terms of getting alts. Would’ve also been nice if the Christmas units were something other than armors.
Is it weird that I had no idea who the blonde guy was until I saw the name? I was thinking Seigbert, Xander or even Dimitri. I guess it’s because this looks older than FE7 Zephiel but obviously younger than FE6 Zephiel, basically mid-teens Zephiel, which is an age we’ve never seen him at.
Not necessarily true, those who’ve play FE 7 know what Zephiel looks like as a young adult. It’s also where we see his younger half sister Gwenevere as a child. Unless of course you’re talking about in Heroes then yeah thats true.
Well Strategy Games are pretty dead as a ganre sadly, barely anyone still makes them, which is a true shame, since they’re among my favorite genre. So Fire Emblem didn’t have much competition. It would have seriously suprised me if they hadn’t won. I’d like to see the game awards if a X-Com and Fire Emblem game ever released in the same year though.
Im guessing the new dungeon is a Labyrinth of Amala type dungeon you complete throughout the game or theres a new chapter, which both would be cool and maybe do something to give some more story stuff to the characters. I always did feel TMS ended a bit too soon.
Both would be nice. I also wish they’d subtitle the battle chatter as well if they’re not going to an English dub. I know the battle chatter isn’t plot significant, but I do think it adds to the characters’ characterization and it’s the main thing that annoys me when voiced games don’t provide an English version of the voices. If it weren’t for the unsubbed battle chatter in games like this, I’d probably prefer the Japanese voices like I do with anime.
Not having voice acting in a given language isn’t really ever a case of laziness, it’s a case of budgetary concerns. No company is thinking, “Well, there’s nothing stopping us from putting in English voice acting, but we’d rather sit around the office watching Simpsons reruns.” The issue is whether they have the resources to record and implement new voice work, and whether doing so would be worth it — whether localized voices would help move the product in a significant way. Given that this is a re-release of a recent, already very niche game, I can’t say the call made here is unexpected.
To be clear, I’m not saying you should or should not buy it. Not making a purchase because of a lack of English voice acting is a perfectly valid decision. Just try to understand the actual reasons for the situation.
Guys I think you have made a bit of mistake in the blue units because that shouldn’t be Nagi but Naga. ( I don’t mean anything bad. I just find it funny.)
Nice banner, would’ve been even nicer if L!Alm was on it too. I think I’ll be summoning everyone on this banner cause theres a few I don’t have (Hrid, F!Grima, Claude and Dimitri) and some that I do have but could really use a second one of to get rid of a bad ivs (Ike, Roy, Thrasir, Naga and Edelgard, getting a second Peony and Eir would be nice too).
Thanks, hopefully some Christmas luck will come to us both but I’ve a feeling it won’t for me unfortunately. Only time I got stupid lucky and snagged a bunch of 5*s was in October and I’d chalk that up to birthday luck (October 19th being the bday I’m the big 30 now, my youngest nephew was also born on that day).
Well I got both Dimitri and Edelgard so I completed the three houses “protags” list but I wanted Thrasir as I missed her the last time… which my roommate got 3 of when he wanted Queen Celica.
So yeah Duo Alfonse & Sharena’s duo skill seems to be lowering the special counter so they can start the vicious cycle of Bonfire/Sol-Stat Boost-Special Spiral right away without needed to attack anyone first.
It took them long enough too! They’ve been telling us it will be available in 2019 for over a year and now it’s available just five days away from 2020!
On the soundtrack DLC page it currently says: *Please note: This DLC package currently includes only the 8-BIT MUSIC VERSION. The PIANO ARRANGEMENT and original tracks will be added automatically to the DLC package upon their completion! Tracks are in MP3 format. Any idea when those piano tracks will be added? And that 4-page English booklet will be available as a digital download or not for the DLC?
Unfortunately, I don’t know when the piano and original tracks will be available. You may have to ask the publisher.
For the English booklet, that is only included in the 70 track soundtrack CD. The booklet has a track list and comments about the CD, so it would be pretty useless for the 21 track digital soundtrack.
I care about consistency. Unless the songs are also dubbed into English, they certainly should only speak Japanese. Otherwise another jarring situation like with Stella Glow will be unavoidable.
I don’t think the game fully harmonised the fanbase, but what it did do is taking one step in the right direction of mending the damage Awakening caused. There’s still a lot of fair weather fans that are disappointed with 3H because it’s not like the 3DS entries, and that’s primarily because they’re not there for the gameplay to begin with. Hopefully the next couple of entries will shake off the waifu culture even more. I think 3H did a decent job in that regard.
…And he doesn’t look nearly as OP as Lewyn. That’s a shame. Larcei looks pretty good though. (And lol, I was going to complain about her portrait looking like just a hair-swap of Ayra… until I realized that’s pretty much what it was in the original game)
Do you recommend pre-ordering the CD? I don’t know if it will run out of stock quickly. I am really excited for this as the last Premium Arrange was absolutely beautiful. I simply cannot wait for the FE3H tracks especially the remix of the Battle of the Eagle and Lion track.
Can’t say I’m surprised by this banner since the port for the Switch comes out Friday so this banner is most likely for promoting it. Kind of wish they did that with Warriors when it came out though we did get those maps but beggars can’t be choosers. I’m gonna try for all the girls, don’t really care for Tharja herself but Kira is pretty cool. And I’m pretty Isuki’s weapon is most definitely gonna a mirage weapon like the girls’ weapons, it would be rather out of place (not to mention dumb) for them to screw him over like that.
Also you made a goof with Mamori, you have her classed as axe infantry but she’s actually a axe armor.
He also mistake with Blade Session; it should be “If unit initiates combat, grants bonus to unit’s Atk/Spd during combat = 3 + number of allies who have already acted x 3 (max value of 9).”
I’ll admit it makes me a little happy to see that of all the variations of the academy uniforms they could have chosen to base the outfit on, they chose Annette’s, who I consider an extremely underrated character. So that’s nice.
Its so stupid…..people don’t complain about Mario or Pokemon in representation(and don’t give me the “bigger franchise” excuse) that’s why the smash community is the most toxic even more than other notable series.
wasn’t there some data mine about it being true for Yuri? I would have preferred Balthus for some diversity in types, yet, romances have such a small impact in this title anyway so I’m fine. Still happy about these characters!!
Datamine says it’s only Yuri, which makes sense as he’s based off of a character from a previous Fire Emblem game that was gay(?) I believe instead of bisexual. Leon from Fire Emblem Echoes at least appearance wise.
There being another same sex love interest for male Byleth makes sense as female Byleth already had more than him and more s-supports overall. It’s good that they’re giving him a chance to kind of catch up by making the new girls and one of the guys for him. It would be cool if he could S-support Balthus too but can’t win them all I guess.
Yeah better balance, not every character has to be glorified to Bi because they’re an Avatar character and give more to Male Byleth for those that want more same S Supports for him.
I really hope these guys have timeskip designs to see if they went an extra mile for them. Definitely going for Constance she’s so pretty and want to know her!
Could be wrong, but it’s very possible that they have timeskip design changes.
This is weird evidence but if you look at the Three Houses Female Generic Class Model Chest Size Modifier list, Constance has 2 values listed for her chest size (in part 1 of the game vs. part 2).
All other characters with 2 listed values also have timeskip design changes. And all characters with only 1 value listed have no such design changes (Byleth, Manuela, Shamir, Catherine, Flayn, and Anna).
I like it! I’m always happy with more FireEmblem content, buuut I’m also afraid of all the hate one will get for liking Byleth… The life chat at the reveal was disgusting. Not easy to be a fan there.
Damn, this is coming out right in the middle of my exams.
Looks cool, but the whole “super-secret fourth house living in the school underground all the time” thing sounds kinda dumb. They better have a good explanation for this.
Anyone else is getting Vampire Night flashbacks with the day classes wearing black uniforms and the hidden, night classes wearing white? xD
Anyway, I am curious about these new guys but I’m not really fan of the white-violet combo. Especially with exposed skin of Hapi and Balthus + Hapi’s extra saturated pink hair. Yuri and Constance designs are top++++. I hope we get another Maribelle quality in the girl ♥
Hilda’s spirit is labelled “Hilda (Fire Emblem)”. Who was the other Hilda spirit? (Although technically there’s two Hildas from Fire Emblem, but I doubt we’ll be seeing the FE4 one any time soon)
So, then, does it make more sense to complete the second play-through I’m on now (chapter 7) and start up a third for this DLC or wait for this, play the DLC, and then move forward?
I’m glad this seems to be a safe place to be hyped! They look really fun and I can’t wait to try them out. I really enjoyed this character pass, never a dull character pick, in my opinion!
I missed out on this game the first time around since I was in college and did not have money for it. So excited to pick it up tomorrow! I played Persona 5 for the first time last year and that was the first Persona/SMT game I played and I loved it.
I hope items carry over as well. I’m honestly surprised the DLC is separate, but I guess this is better for all those who’ve already cleared every path in the base game!
Obviously it’s too early to say, but I agree for the most part. It seems super out of nowhere. Three Houses story is fine, so I have hope it’ll be “ok” at worst. However, the character designs, while not bad, are pretty alarming to me.
Here’s a tip I wish I knew early on. There’s an easy-to-miss sidequest obtained by talking to the Arena receptionist from BEHIND the counter. (Talking in front of the counter gives you the arena menu) This quest is the only way to get the Locktouch skill, which you will later need because there aren’t enough keys for all the locked chests in the game.
Also, you can skip Ad-Lib Perfomances and supermoves by pressing… on the Wii U it was A and B, don’t know what it is on the Switch.
Another thing of note: later on in the game you get Master Seals to promote your Mirages into advanced classes. Each Mirage has two options, and each gets exclusive weapons and skills. But it’s not a choice you’re locked in to. If you use another Master Seal, you can switch between promotions. (I’d recommend going Dark Knight with Cain first, because it’s the fastest way to get Debilitate.)
Like SMT4A, learning a skill you already have gives you a +1 version of the skill. They go all the way up to +9, so repeatedly re-forging a weapon can be useful. But I generally find it’s better to learn the next tier up than to +9 a low-tier skill. (I could be wrong though)
Speaking of skills, Fog Breath and War Cry are in this game. Anyone who’s played SMT games should know how good they are.
Give Ellie Skill boosting items. One of Viron’s supers is an all-targeting attack with a chance of instant death based on Skill, and it’s extremely important for the superboss fight if you plan on doing that. (Yes, this game has a superboss. And it’s just as brutal as typical Atlus superbosses.)
Ok I’m curious about the getting friendly with Tsubasa thing, is that Switch exclusive or is it possible on the Wii U version? I have the Wii U version (it’s actually the first SMT game I’ve ever actually played) and didn’t know anything about it much less SMT as a whole.
It was in the Wii U version too. Thing is, Tsubasa’s affection is so easy to raise that it’s pretty hard to miss her unique skill without intentionally trying.
What I mean is if you won’t get the titel screen when you recruit the new students in your maddening run. Similar how using new game + blocks you from getting the screen.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t. Those would be very specific criteria that don’t give as clear cut of an advantage that NG+ gives. More than the characters, Dark Flier and the other new classes would have a bigger case for not counting, and I don’t see that happening either.
Love the idea behind it, but it’s sad that it’ll only be a side story and not a full blown path. Can’t win them all, but I’m going to love to see how they interact with the other characters and how they shake up the unit meta.
honestly I think it is better to be just a side story that later gets integrated to the main game. If it this was a forth path, it could end up being rushed or even be a “revelations 2.0”.
@metalgearlamia:disqus gave some good reasons. Ashe is probably there for lockpick utility, while Linhardt will be the main healer since only Balthus has a Faith proficiency and he’s more geared towards attacking. I was expecting to see Hubert and Dedue, after seeing Hilda, but those are good choices too!
Hubert and Dedue are too loyal though. But it would’ve been interesting. Especially with a decent justification. Balthus being a “war monk” gets Heal, but all the “house healers” have Physic, so it makes sense they’ll throw one in. Linhardt makes sense cause he’s a scholar and all and probably wants to learn about what’s going on under Garreg Mach.
I personally think Ashe is because it’s related to the fact he’s one of the few recruitable characters post-timeskip, but that’s just me. But like Vincent said, probably lockpick utility.
While Hilda obviously makes sense and is really good interesting they chose Linhardt and Ashe I guess in Ashe’s case there’ll of course be chests for him to easily open to give him a niche with needed screentime and Linhardt while he’s definitely no Marianne or Mercedes again they give him more screentime as well. With a small team like this and the obvious big tier characters(excluding Byleth, the House Leaders and Hilda) are missing this definitely will have an interesting challenge. That’s not to say the Ashen Wolves are slouches since most of them look really strong from the datamine info we have currently!
Linhardt is the only dedicated healer and magic user in the group shown. It may be more for that reason, but the black Eagles have other people for that too but we’ll see.
Kinda wish it had been someone other than Ashe and Hilda, those two already get a lot of screen time and emphasis in the main story (Ashe getting an entire month of content to himself basically).
If I had to guess, Ashe is likely there because of his personal skill. He basically fulfills the function of a Thief without them having to dedicate a Thief character.
Can’t say that I am happy about this. This means that everyone will have their place in the story and that’s good but I don’t like anyone on this team other than Hilda.
did it last year I’ll do it again this year. Jill Fizzart all the way! ….with maybe a vote towards Barry Goodman because having Barry in the game would be great.
Hmmm… I left the game a few months ago, but maybe I still should vote for Sephiran. Three Houses is gonna wreck this, though. I’m really liking it so far and I think it has attracted even more new players than Awakening.
Sweet! Time to do what I did last year and go for my girl Nino (yes I’m aware she just got a new alt in the form of her Christmas self but that didn’t anyone from choosing Camilla for the same reasons now did it?). I might throw a vote behind Claude or maybe Hilda (Three Houses version not the Wicked Witch of FE4) cause I like them, Claude cause despite his royalheritage he’s pretty down to earth and friendly despite constantly scheming something and as for Hilda, I just find her rather funny and the fact that she amazing strength despite what she says in her level up quotes.
Meanwhile Mirage Palla and Mirage Gordin cry in a corner, forgotten.
You also forgot to mention that despite being in Echoes the Cipher OCs are STILL not available for votes.
It looks like the new classes are
War Monk – I don’t think any pre-existing character would benefit from that. Maybe Hilda but only because she doesn’t have a Master Class for her canon class line
Trickster – We don’t have a master class for thieves and I both Petra and Ignatz wouldn’t mind practicing faith.
Dark Flier – Great for Marianne, Flayn, and Ingrid
Valkyrie? – I hope this is gender neutral. We really need a proper master class for healers.
I won’t say that people have shit taste since what you like is subjective, though it does feel like most people are either voting for what is fresh or for what activates their groin. Plumeria? Like what.
My plan was to dump all my votes into Marisa but seeing as Marth has a chance up there I might offer him some.
Not gonna lie, I legit forgot we had a Plumeria and thought everyone had gone nuts talking about voting for the Pokemon girl in CYL for a bit. She certainly does raise the question of what exactly the Summoner is dreaming about if it’s her and Triandra keeping them out…
This shouldn’t be much of a surprise. 3Hs has recency bias, and the new OCs like Plumeria usurp the older OCs like Loki. Looking at how things are going down, the house leaders are gonna win, I just hope the alts they get are actually creative and not just them using their main weapons since that could easily just be used for a Legendary alt. For example, Edelgard being an armor tome, Dimitri using a staff, and Claude using a flying sword.
Jill is in the top 20 😀
She unfortunately wont win but maybe she will be like Dorcas, Mia, and Lute and be added in due to her high ranking she is the only old character on the female side that isn’t in the game yet.
I can’t say I’m surprised, but I’m definitely disappointed. What a waste of a CYL, no variety at all. But really, we all knew it was gonna be like this.
The burden of proof is not on me, but sure. If we ignore the fact that you all have the same grammar structure and syntax in your posts and that half the downvotes are coming from “guests”, the votes also occur within minutes, if not seconds, of each other. Every time. Statistically that is an impossibility without vote manipulation.
You’re not really being subtle about it. Learn how to form an argument instead if you disagree with someone. It’s really not that hard.
Yeah, that’s about what I expected honestly. I actually want a CYL Claude alt, so that’s fun. I’m probably one of the few who really wants a CYL Elincia alt though, so that’s definitely not happening any time soon
Tellius characters have their alts served on a silver plate (hello, timeskip sequel?), yet they only do them for Legendary and Brave banners. All without the trouble that is finding a new voice actor. I actually waited for Queen Elincia before I quited. She must have one of the most beautiful designs in all the franchise.
– How unexpected. Though I thought Hilda was more popular than Lysithea…
– Even though I absolutely prefer Dimitri and Claude, don’t give up yet, Marth fans!
– My boy Soren is top 20. Perhaps I should give up on Sephiran and start voting him.
– Jill top 20 too. She deserves at least being top 10.
– Mercedes is best TH girl. She doesn’t need a dumb popularity contest to prove it.
– RIP Nephenee.
– I don’t know who Plumeria is and couldn’t care any less.
– The power of memes brought Saiyan Marth to top 20. Why is that thing even allowed?
I don’t agree, but I won’t deny that’s definitely one reason. From what I’ve seen (and liking her myself) it’s a mix of:
-loli
-being cute
-cool timeskip design
-tragic backstory
-“can kill death knight so op!”
-warp
-everyone gives her Thyrsus
True on all those especially the Death Knight part, problem is that you have to hope RNG doesn’t screw her magic over (as unlikely as that might be but it is possible) and she’ll need to be fast enough not to get doubled by the Death Knight in the event that even with the anti-cavalry spell she doesn’t kill him (which is unlikely but you never know). Personally between her and Hilda, I like Hilda just a little more cause it’s rather amusing watching her con whatever she was supposed to be doing to some poor sap thats too enthralled by her cute charm to realize what she’s having them do (most of the time anyways).
Don’t get me wrong cause Lysithea is great especially as a unit due to her being stupidly strong in the magic department, but in a few of her supports, she’s your typical genius child that has a bad habit of looking down on others though by the time her A rank support comes around she’s calmed down from that thankfully.
Not surprised by the Three Houses characters practically crushing the competition. Poor Marth is never gonna get that first (or second) place he so deserves in the male’s division with all these new characters that keep popping up and hell his girlfriend/wife isn’t even IN the top 20 for the Women’s division and thats pretty sad when you think about it. Also this might just be me but I think it’s less Isuki that everyone likes and more Chrom thats attached to him as a “background” partner similar to duo characters.
As boring as it is, I kind of hope Three Houses just sweeps for consistency’s sake. It would be nice to get alts for all three house leaders at once. It doesn’t look like it’ll happen but it’d be funny if we got fByleth in there too, because the winners would just be the original Three Houses banner, lol.
I feel these 4 are all we’ll see till release there could be that 38 year old man found in the Datamine (likely Alphard ) but maybe they might keep him secret.
These are probably the only playable units. Maybe 1 more character we’ll see on release. But as far as datamining goes iirc, only these people have stats and aren’t enemies. But datamining is based on the data provided as of the version, so it could change.
Wowzers. Constance is really getting into that make-up brush.
I’m also enraged that there is no Bi females.
Yet so happy that there is at least one Bi male In this DLC.
I love listening to im@s dramas so this could be really fun. Wish they had picked Fates or SoV instead of Awakening though. Might consider translating the 3H one if I find the time for it.
I’m guessing you already know, but just in case, there were four Fates drama CDs in 2016 and one for Echoes last year. I think Fates is well served by now, but it’d be nice to have another Echoes one ^^
From that perspective, true. I’m simply not a big fan of Awakening’s setting and find that Fates has more potential in that regard (I think Awakening already has a drama CD as well IIRC).
My first thought was that they’d limit themselves to the games with voice acting, but seeing as FE7 & 10 each got one last year I would prefer some more of the old games to get content.
Is it Feb 12th yet?! Seriously can’t wait to go back playing with this side story and learn about the Ashen Wolves particularly Constance my favorite and looking forward to all of their older appearances in Part 2 I’m confident they’ll all look even more amazing! Gonna be tough enduring the remaining 2 weeks….
So if I read that last bit correctly, Balthus, who’s twenty-six and will be thirty-one or thirty-two after the timeskip, gets a post-timeskip makeover. I wonder if the developers realized at the time that making him that old invalidates one of the justifications for not giving Shamir and other non-student cast members new post-timeskip appearances.
I don’t think age was ever a reason why. I just don’t think they care about giving the faculty new looks. Obviously they care about the students appearances more.
To be fair, it’ll depend on the portrait. For all we know, he might just have a new hair style, different facial hair, a new scar, or something else that’s pretty much just a cosmetic change. If that’s the case, and it’s a very minor change, then having Shamir and Catherine keep their look would still not feel out of place. Manuela clearly spends time on her appearance so it makes sense she’d look the same after five years, and Hanneman is at an age where five years really wouldn’t change one’s appearance in a notable way.
I’ve kept at this game throughout its trials and errors, but I think this is it. Iwata opposed Nintendo mobile games for half a decade, claiming that they value profit over integrity and quality. Five years after his death, his initial suspicions are now shown to be true. The pay-to-win nature of the subscription plan is counter to his legacy and a disgrace to the Nintendo brand. I’ve now uninstalled in protest, and will urge everyone I know to do the same.
Why, don’t you want to pay a monthly fee for extra, strong heroes and some marginally useful features? And isn’t it nice that we get to summon one whole free hero from the special heroes roster of the 3rd year as opposed to two last year? And isn’t it wonderful that all Brave Heroes for the fourth event are from Three Houses? At least now none of the three house leaders will be left out~! Not to mention the low 4star focus rate of 3 percent~! Surely that improves your chances of getting that one hero you may or may not want significantly, right? And then there’s those wonderful pieces of paper, Divine Code, that we have been collecting en mass that finally get to serve a super useful purpose of not actually getting collectors anything! It would only clutter our barracks after all. How thoughtful, wouldn’t you say? ^ ^
Jill went from 19th to 14th, hopefully that means she will be added in game soon 😀 ….but how in the hell did Jorge take 12th place in the mens category? Just…..how? I’m not against it but just confused. Duo unit of Jorge and Daniel. As for the monthly subscription service I am unsure on. It’s not terrible especially the 2 free 5 stars a month great for newer players who have less chance of pulling OG Lyn in particular. The quests I feel it would be useful if you got 20ish orbs a month from and I’d almost call it worth it. 3 Summoner’s Support is cool I guess. Had OG Ike as mine for so long be interesting to see who else becomes a monster from the buffs you get. It might have a small impact on PvP but a minor one I think. It’s the players choice, I may not get it but it’s not enough to make me quit the game. The 4 star special heroes is NICE though. It’s probably never going to be the “Lords” of the banner but to give an “easy” access to 1 of the 4 units I appreciate.
Fehnix is absolutely glorious, 10/10 bring back again, I recommend, to all my friends. A lot of everything else on this video was quite the opposite.
A subscription plan at more than $5 a month is an instant no for me, I could barely manage to afford the Black Knight starter pack, so the $10 is too greedy here. I may go one month for Cordy’s sake(curse whoever decided we should start with her), but that would be it unless maybe if we get some absolutely slam dunk Hel-mode costume. Also screw you guys, I already had that idea with a Nifl armor Severa and Muspell armor Caeldori, you would do that wouldn’t you, it’s Professor Willow all over again.
CYL was exactly what I was afraid of. Though I suppose I’m glad for those of you who wanted the four selected, this may be the first time I openly pass on a Brave Banner and just take the freebie, probably Dmitri because screw Edelgard. Marth has now been brutally robbed for FOUR years in a row. FOUR. BASICALLY THE FACE OF FIRE EMBLEM. As both an FE player and a Smash player since Melee, this rubs me wrong for multiple reasons, though at least he doesn’t have to say he lost out to Edelgard so that’s something. Chrom supposes he’ll get his chance another day, the yearly smexy OC is an instant top-10-er, six 3H characters…what the Anna. How the heck did THAT happen? Regardless, this almost saved my opinion of this year – since they seem to count OoH Anna as different from other Annas, this should mean we’ll be seeing a new Anna this year, alongside…Plumeria and six 3H characters. All of whom we’d be getting anyways at some point. Nice, guys. We have a whole year of everyone complaining about nonstop Fates support, they try and stop pulling that crap, and we immediately complain that we haven’t got slammed with nonstop 3H characters. While I can’t say I’m terribly surprised, I am annoyed. All the same, Marth fans did their darndest, props to them for that and they’ve secured my assistance next year for sure, and there were a fair number of characters I didn’t expect to see in that Top 50(Lif my ded boi, looking at you), so my hope in humanity is not dashed yet.
Summoning events seem alright to me, Alm and Celica was certainly the most obvious choice this year as poor Faye continues in her strange delusions, I care about none of them so will continue my hunt for the elusive Valentine’s Roy. Free Special Hero went FANTASTIC for me last year, finally snagged Bridal Cordy, so while I’m not really attached to anyone this time around I have positive feelings about that in general. Another shot at Brave Roy and Ike, also a nice bonus, and if I get another Veronica I certainly won’t complain. A Hero Rises will of course be wasted on whatever newest Unit just came out like the first time’s free Legendary Ike, but since that looks like a free Lif that’s not too bad. I just wish each Summoner could select his own Hero to get instead of a bunch of us getting a Unit that’s as likely as not to just be fodder or wasted space. Maybe we’ll finally get a version of the Voting Gauntlet people will stop complaining about?
Marth is totally going to win next year. A mix of disappointment, and people feeling sorry for him but also he doesn’t really have as fierce competition any more. Unless, a remake comes along (which is likely) and some previously unknown character soars in votes. Actually on second thought Reinhardt has a good chance, since he’s the face of feh and all.
I’d say 4 years of Marth being passed over is pretty solid evidence that he’s only still the face of the franchise from IntSys’ perspective, and most fans don’t find him particularly interesting or enjoyable and would, given the choice, choose someone else as a sort of series representative. He’ll get a pity win at some point, but that alone is pretty damning.
I’d say there’s clear evidence Marth is not the face of Fire Emblem as far as fans go. IS tries to push him due to him being the original lord but it’s clear other characters like Ike are valued by fans over him.
‘Eh, the FEH Pass is kinda of a punch in the gut..Well, at least it must be kinda of cheap, right..?’
‘9,49-‘
OH DUCK OFF, THAT’S FREAKING 40 R$ HERE. 40 R$ IS ALMOST THE PRICE OF A GAME!
The people complaining would do well to remember this. I’m only playing this game because it’s related to FE and having to deal with something that adds to an already predatory system is not going to make me stop.
Well this year’s Anniversary is better than the shitstorm that was last year’s thats for sure. The free summon I got from the hero fest is one I’m happy with and wanted, V!Ike (+DEF/-RES not bad but I’m pretty sure he’s one of the few heroes that wants to be neutral since he’s pretty well-rounded, high attack, deceptively high speed, good HP and defence, and decent res for handling green mages and non-dancing Michia red mages).
The pass isn’t bad, it’s monthly and optional so no one’s being forced to buy it. I mean the rewind button would come in handy on a difficult GHB/BHB/LHB and the auto start button is good for those that really don’t want to constantly do certain missions like the monthlies. The free 5* heroes are a nice bonus too (I for one want that Lyn).
Not surprised by the results for CYL, I mean everyone pretty much knew this was gonna happen. Marth’ll get his time in the limelight eventually, when that is is anyone’s guess but it’ll happen eventually. He does deserve it to be honest.
Long story short that people are overreacting, will get used to it in few months, if not downright hype for new skins every month. And then few facts,comparisons and numbers to prove that the pass is not overpriced for the content it offers. That the biggest problem in my eyes is the severly underwhelming anniversary celebration.
And that Fehnix was the best part if the channel 😀
The post was on for like 5 minutes and then dissapeared.
I am confused though.. Exactly how is the silver 3% focus a positive thing? Doesn’t that take away from the golden possibility? It’s still only 3% and if you’re unlucky and have a higher percentage build up, I would assume it resets if you land that silver one.
I’m still somewhat unclear as far as the reset is but it says All focus heroes can be 5 star while 1 of the 4 will be available as a 4 star. So you can still summon Conrad as a 5 star but for people who just want Conrad or a bonus unit might not have to spend 300 orbs to get him.
Yah but the odds of obtaining Conrad would be 6% in total, if indeed he can be summoned as silver or gold, which is still nothing. It’s not like he gets the benefit of the high percentage chance that silver heroes normally have, right? Which is also a farce by the way as I seem to be very unlucky lately with way more bronze than silver. Yesterday for example, I did four summons, all of them were bronze. Yeah, that is not how odds should work.. 😛
So, sorry but I’m still not entirely understanding the benefit of one of the four also being a silver hero. The best thing they could do for collectors is not adding a fourth line-up of special heroes this year and instead focusing on those already present. Not that they’d ever do that..
Well, only 13 new tracks were planned for Album 2 to begin with, and if it’s obvious that there are only 11 new ones listed, Truth, Hope and Despair and Life at Garreg Mach don’t seem to have previews, I know that the first one is only going to be on the CD so they want it to be a surprise.
I got no clue why they kept the latter hidden. Regardless, less new music is slightly dissapointing, but more music is always good so I’ll just be glad that they still make these albums.
I’m a bit disappointed with the scarves. They would’ve looked a great deal better had they dropped the sprites and portraits in favour of a fully abstract design. I might get that glass though.
The price for the Feh Pass is outrageous in Euros! €11,49 is just way out of proportion compared to the 950 Yen and $9,49 pricetags. Way to alienate your European players, FEH.. (Not that I would have subscribed, but this is just ridiculous)
The target audience is people with a disposable income. A few € extra doesn’t change much for the ones who intended to buy it in the first place. I know it didn’t matter to me.
It’s still hecking unfair though to those who don’t have disposable incomes. And it’s the people with disposable incomes who should be making a fist to show they can’t just take our money like that, on behalf of those that aren’t able to pay outrageous price-differences.
Everything in life is unfair to those who don’t have disposable income. That’s unfortunate but true. The pricing certainly seems odd, especially with exchange rates factored in. It’s still less predatory than the original system where you pay for the chance of maybe getting something, or not getting anything, whereas with this you at least know exactly what you’re paying for and actually get it.
Showing completed pass quests with rewards to the whole userbase though… that’s low.
We’ve already seen what her supports look like. Spoiler: They’re not very good and boiled down to one gimmick.
The supports in 3H are far better than in the 3DS games because they’re less interchangeable and more limited. Characters also typically speak to who you’d expect them to speak to. Anna’s existence is essentially a meme and her interacting with the students would delve into Awakening fanfic territory.
M8, I’ll be the first one to shit on 3DS games supports, but releasing a character with tea parties and lost items and not making supports for her just seems like poor planning. I don’t want her to support everyone, but at least Byleth like Jeritza.
Some with the knights would be feasible too, I assume they spend some times in the marketplace getting supplies, so they may be familiar with her. With the students would seem kind of weird probably.
It wouldn’t bother me ordinarily, but I wish they didn’t make Dark Flier gender locked. It’s the only flying mage class in the game, and I really don’t understand why they couldn’t have the option for male or female. If they really want to keep the weird pegasus lore, they had the wyvern option for the boys too like with Malig/Revenant Knight. Basically, I’m saying I really wanted to see Dark Flier Sylvain or Hubert
For balance reasons. If War Master is not gender-locked to males, you’ll see stuff like Wyvern Lord Edelgard with Quick Riposte skill from War Master’s class mastery. QR is currently one of the most OP skills in the game as it makes your tanks safe from follow-up attacks and trivialises Attack Speed on enemy phase.
Gremory being gender-locked to females is only detrimental to Linhardt… he won’t be able to learn that class and get the crucial +1 MOV to help him move further. All the more reason to use Lysithea in your playthrough (and they made it very easy to recruit her on Black Eagles/Crimson Flower route).
But to save you the time, there will be new facilities, activities, gambits, online features, battalions, quests and hero relics. Note that everything listed may be ***singular*** rather than plural (so, just making this up, we could be getting one new activity).
Also, the “new costumes for Byleth and Sothis” mentioned in the article is referring to the already released Sothis Regalia costume.
Those are Master Classes, and only available from level 30 on. These DLC classes are Advanced Classes, and are unlocked at level 20, a full 10 levels sooner and require less skill proficiency to get into.
Not to mention Dark Knight and specially Holy Knight are arguably worse than their Advanced classes (Warlock, Bishop) for most male mages, mobility aside, due to missing Magic Use X2 (which is specially aggravating for Holy Knight, as offensive Faith Magic distribution is way better for girls, who have Grimoire available anyway). Sylvain and Lorenz are arguably the only characters fit to be Dark Knight.
From the article: “These classes can be unlocked in your main story save files after clearing Chapter 1 of Cindered Shadows. They are listed under a new category called “Special” classes. Characters must be Level 20+ and use an Underground Seal to change into these classes.”
Which to me means that u need to complete the main story and use new game plus. Also where would u get the underground seal if not exclusively on the cindered shadows playthrough…
They already said there’s new paralogues, so the Underground Seals could be rewards from completing those (In which case we only get 4 or so per playthrough) or it could be a case where they’re bought exclusively from a merchant in the Abyss.
If the latter is true, simply beating episode 1 gives you a limited number of Underground Seals, while fully beating it could make it unlimited.
So money and ore are limited huh? That already makes this more challenging than the main story for sure! I am impressed.
What with changing Anna’s outfit to Trickster for when you see her in the monastery,
I do wonder if that means all our units will finally be able to wear their class outfits during exploration.
I do also hope Anna finally gets supports with at least Byleth. I see no reason why she would have any with anyone else really.
The continuous auto-battle perk is incredibly useful for TT. Rev it up and with minimal upkeep I’m close to getting all rewards already. Usually I just play until I get the last seal so this is really nice.
Agreed. Obviously this was written before Cindered Shadows released, but some of us like going into things as blind as possible. We don’t want to have our thoughts influenced like that, whether or not the thoughts are accurate.
It feels kinda wrong picking ending pairings lol. Of course it’s inconsequential and a cool new feature, but think about it.
The free update is a tad disappointing. But hey dancer clothes Byleth!
Rip other playable NPCs. Granted, for the case of Ladislava and Randolph they’re busy so making them playable would be close to the end.
Really? They were never free to begin with because they are characters that you as the player control. They may be extremely well-written, and you may empathize with them like you would with real people, but ngl, they are still puppets on your marionette, and I find certain ships cute and want to solidify that choice while still enjoying their interactions and support chains with other characters. At least this time there’s no child mechanic and eugenics-like breeding goals.
I’m so glad we can finally choose paired endings. I don’t have to artificially keep people at B-Supports anymore! Now I can view all the support chains I want without getting an unwanted ending! Wahoo!!
…I was really hoping to finally get a Surtr.Aiming for L! Azura then as I still don’t have her. Good luck to everyone in hopes that your first picks win.
Don’t worry, support for Altina has been everywhere I’ve looked.
I don’t think even a meme brigade on multiplier can outperform the amount of support Altina has.
Please, please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese Altina! I’ve wanted her for ages. Edit: why the heck did people vote for L!Ike? Isn’t he still free? Did people just want to see what would happen if he won?
May or may not be correlation, but he was sitting at the top of the red options.
At least he didn’t get into the top 8, unlike Legendary Lyn last year.
Since I already have half of the heroes in the top 8, I’m probably going to end up with another Altina… If I had known that, I wouldn’t have tossed all my orbs at her in her banner.
What I don’t get is why there are so many non-special/legendary/mythic heroes in the top 20. Don’t people realise those are easier to get as they’re always available? Vote for something you can’t get normally, you sillies. That being said, I wouldn’t mind if Edelgard won as I don’t have her in my Barracks yet.
Dude, why did they dirty Rath so badly? He could have at least gotten that strong ass bow (which is just a very strong brave bow) that you get in the first part of the final chapter in 7 from Uhai’s morph, hell while her lance is pretty good Fiora could’ve gotten the lance that Darin’s morph uses. Also why HP/DEF 2 for an A skill on Nils? Thats such a weak skill to have on him, especially since in 7 he and Ninian share stats as well as neither have high HP growth nor Defense growth and they rely more on dodging than anything else.
That is actually a good point, BUT they could have just given him HP +5. 1 more point of HP and no need for the extra defense of a stat thats probably not gonna be all that great to begin with. That or HP/RES 2 as a nod to the fact that he (and Ninian) has high res making them good mage baiters.
Heres hoping but PheonixMaster1 (yes thats how his name is spelt), a Youtuber I watch for his free to play guides for the GHB/BHB/LHB thinks Nils will have high defense but low res.
Can both Byleth become Trickster class? I know the class are unlockable but I’m unsure if everyone can get them or if it is just the new dlc characters?
Just a second… Micaiah is one of the lead character from FE10, yes, ( even if Sanaki is also important during second half part 3 and part 4 ) but it’s Ike the great hero from FE9 and 10
Micaiah is no doubt forced into the role of protagonist and robs other characters of their potential, but there’s no doubt that she plays an important role in the story that was told.
I agree but during Part 4 it’s more Yune and Sanaki ( especially her ) who play the role of heroine and next to Ike who is clearly the real hero of FE Radiant Dawn ( + Path Of Radiance )
Thanks for all the hard work on this article! It was a nice read, and makes me wish we had an English version of Cipher too! (Although it’s probably better for my wallet that it isn’t…)
I can definitely see why they made Cindered Shadows separate from the main story. As cool as it’d be to be able to use your main story team, the amount of re-writes it’d take to justify its story post-timeskip on all routes would probably be way too much effort.
More importantly, the overall game balance would take a hit due to the levels undoubtedly gained through the DLC. It just wouldn’t add up unless the entire first half were to be replaced by it.
Also, I would say she personally dislikes Edelgard no matter what and cannot directly oppose Claude, even if you recruit her in Silver Snow and Azure Moon.
Never implied otherwise. Honestly, this is why I ship them. Loyalty and friendship like that is a rare treasure indeed, and unlike with Dedue and Hubert, there isn’t a formal Lord/Retainer dynamic, just two people who click a bunch.
I finally got L!Azura so I dunno who I’m voting for in the gauntlet anymore and my roommate got L!Alm which finishes his Alm collection (for now) which he is happy about
Ended up going Lief just to beat Edelgard. I have nothing against her but she can be gotten normally rather have someone that’s…. more time locked. I fully expect to die to Altina and I’m not going to use my flags at all.
Tobin? Meanwhile original Azura is still crying silently in her “Gen one 5star, but no personal weapon” corner.
But, I’m very excited about the manual-shop and happy that they make people without Feh-Passes feel less shitty on the castle screen. Backlash must’ve been big.
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At least the game won’t be telling us about FEH pass quests when we don’t have it anymore. Still shitty of them to lock QoL features behind it, so don’t let up on the negative feedback and reviews.
Hmmm.. Four heroes I have vs four heroes I don’t have.. I wonder if one of the heroes I don’t have…. HAH, who am I kidding? Sothis will win this. Good luck everyone!
I know i’m late to the party. I literally just tried to play this game but it won’t let me & then I found this.
I that gacha games are for the most part horribly monetized and i’m very much against them. However, as a Fire Emblem fan I wanted to try this game (I don’t spend any money on mobile games though & i’m not sure how much free stuff this game gives without paying.)
However, it’s just very disappointing that instead of just disabling microtransactions (or at least the lootbox/gacha kind that the laws are specifically targetting) they just make people unable to play the game at all.
Then again, this is kind of to be expected. Many more coutntries need to make a stand against predatory monetization schemes before companies will start changing their mineization models to be more fair for players.
If you’re talking about Annette,I think being an axe wielder makes perfect sense. Her crest is needed to properly wield the hero relic Crusher, which is an axe
I think they actually did a really good job translating the units to FEH.
Annette may be a monster offensively but that depends on her Atk stat. I forsee her getting more def but less spd to make her “bulkier”. She could be a good Vantage sweeper in AR, since having universal adaptive damage is unique to her and her alone with a 19 Mt weapon. Her real niche will be using the second effect to set up effective rally traps, though. I am terrified at the thought of more ways for teams to send buffed up L!Alm charging at you in AR. They did my girl well.
Bernie honestly looks like a better Claude which isn’t great for him. Her personal was pretty much added here, though, which I like. Can’t see her severely outperforming +10 Louise or Rolf without some merges.
Ferdy is the demote. Not much to say here, maybe his stat spread will be unique?
Lysithea is the next Ophelia and will be a monster on AR Def teams that use I Pulse. Notably, I don’t think her weapon will work with Blazing or Growing skills, which is different, but Dragon Fangs will be nasty. BIke just took a hit in his overall usefulness unfortunately. It looks like now more than ever Blue and Colorless tanks are going to be the safest bet going forward.
Meanwhile as long as she is the one attacking Lysithea is still a tactical nuke with her casual +14 atk if she attacks when her special is ready. Which it should always be between Hades and Time Pulse.
Well all my orbs for my girl Lysithea are ready and then I gotta save up more for her adult brave version(excluding the free copy) I’m gonna need all the luck to get her!!!!
Forma Souls seems nice, being about to get to keep the hero you build up during the event. But it’s a shame it’s only in a $30 package and not purchase-able on its own, especially considering all the limitations they put on it. Like, why can’t you use them in merges or skill inheritance? I don’t care what premium skills they slap on em, they bought the item, so just let players do what they want with it. I get why they don’t want you to keep the merge level, but at the very least let them merge or SI them as they see fit.
Personally I consider them to be pretty much worthless. Not outright terrible since they’ll come with great skills, but most units want a boon rather than being stuck down the neutral path that these units will be. And since their only other use is to be sent home for feathers, I don’t see the point. Theoretically they would serve as a nice bonus to people who don’t spend much on the game due to requiring minimal investment, though that just makes the scenario even more confusing.
Being stuck with neutral IVs is not that bad, many grail units are that way and they’re still amazing, especially if you can get those low access premium skills on them. But I pretty much agree with how confusing the design was. The limitation make it meaningless for those willing to pay, but the price tag walls out F2P and low spending players.
I mean yeah, units don’t turn into trash just because they’re neutral. But you also wouldn’t stay neutral with grail units if you had the choice. If I got a Mia out of this mode I’d think twice about using her over the +Spd one I already have, even if the neutral one comes with better skills. For players who spend regularly, I can’t imagine anyone who’d want a less specialised Thrasir for instance, which is already a skewed example since she comes with great skills to begin with.
Honestly I mostly agree with your first message. Since the currency is limited and you can only ever get one copy of each unit, the bare minimum should be to allow you to merge them into what you already have. Inheriting the skills is a little too much though and only furthers the P2W aspect.
Man, such a disappointment for Altina to win this. I actually like her more than Sothis, but there is no use to her outside of being a strong unit. Sothis on the other hand has a lot of good skills to fodder off for anyone that doesn’t want her, which is why I supported her from the start.
I was surprised how far Alfonse/Sharena got, but I had no illusions that I would actually get a hero I didn’t have. My luck is not so great lately.. I mean.. 4.50% is not a whole lot, but I don’t think I’ve ever had a special banner where I didn’t get anything nice..
I really like Sophia’s new design, very Shamen/Dark Mage. Also new bunny heroes in about a week and probably no new heroes until April. Whats people guess on if there will be a Easter hero that isn’t in the game yet? If anyone Imma guess …Dorothea as a random guess.
I had so hoped (against better judgement) that they wouldn’t add more Special Heroes for a year and instead would focus on the three years that we already have. It’s getting more and more impossible to get them all without paying. But eh, money is always more important.
No no, as CombatMagi pointed out, I meant the seasonal ones ^ -^. The Spring heroes coming up, which probably all will be bunnies again, because that’s apparently the only thing spring/Easter. More women in uncomfortably tiny outfits that they themselves don’t even want to wear~! *not serious*
And just too many to collect. That too.
So something I just noticed is there is a Resplendent Heroes section in the shop now. Assumedly if you don’t want to pay the 10 bucks a month for Feh Pass you can instead by the previously released skins (and assumedly a unit) for $5 each. Or maybe you just want to pick and choose your favorite units and don’t care about any of the others. It’s nice that access is still available after their release.
I think you can only buy the old Resplendents if you have an active FEH Pass, actually. It’s also a way to get assured extra copies of…well, at this point just Galeforce fodder.
Well it gave my roommate’s account the option to buy it. I didn’t go all the way through with it as I’m just keeping it up to date with the daily stuff while he is enjoying his vacation. So I dunno if it would have tried to stop me for him not having the pass but to be honest that would be bad design I feel.
Ah see I didn’t actually click it. Interesting though I guess if you eventually want a certain unit it will cost you $15 instead of $5. I dunno seems like it be smarter for them not to do that.
If I go for anyone it will probably be Idunn and Fae if only because I like redemption stuff. But I probably wont. I’ll wait to see who is on the Mythic Hero banner or more probably who is the new Heroes on April 8th. Also anyone else get a feeling they changed what Fir’s weapon last minute because that does not look like any sort of axe.
They probably realised how many lance fliers there are in proportion to the other weapon types and mixed it up accordingly. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt though and assume the artist didn’t get the memo.
But yeah, while I like Idoun this is another skip for me. I’ve never really pulled in any seasonal banners since I find the concept to be dumb in general. The only ones I’ve actually gone for are Marisa and Tana.
I’d say he’s actually closest to the real life Ilkhans or even Timurid mirzas because Almyra takes a lot from Mongol military and political culture, but much like the Ilkhanate, it has many elements of Persian culture. Also, since Mongols and Turkic groups frequently intermingled, that could explain the Turkish flair. Also, Claude’s whole attitude matches almost to a tee the Mongol idea of a perfect leader.
Azura is a good choice and I’m glad I’ll get her, but she’s long overdue for a refine to stay relevant with literally any other dancer. I hope IS gives her one in April.
Also, does the time the Nabateans ruled coincide with before Sothis went to sleep or after? If it is after, I guess Edelgard wasn’t completely full of shit about hegemonic dragons. Also, does this interview say what kind of dragon Sothis is? I personally think she’s an Astral Dragon or First Dragon, but who knows?
People are still excited for the gauntlets? The last one was interesting due to having actual stakes for once, but the normal ones aren’t good for much else but feathers. I normally just go for a character I have (in this case Veronica), otherwise the one who seems the least popular.
“Yuri Lowenthal, Patrick Seitz, Wendee Lee and Ray Chase”.
Wait, really? Woah, that’s cool. Except they got one of the voices wrong. He says “the whole world can burn for all I care” with Hector’s voice. At least I think so.
Question is, is Ray Chase meant to be Roy here, or Mark?
Interesting question!! I don’t know who Ray Chase is intended to be, but for Eliwood/Hector/Lyn the voice actors are consistent in Japanese with their English voice actors, but Roy’s English is Ray Chase and Japanese is Jun Fukuyama, while Bramimond’s four voice actor in Japanese is Tatsuhisa Suzuki.
Well 250+ Orbs later and my streak finally gets broken by a Female Grima. sigh I really hope they don’t add someone I desperately want in the new heroes banner in about a week.
Excuse me, 8-Bit FEH when? Seriously, holy cow I want that to be a visual option – HQ, Lite, and 8-Bit as my play options PLZ
Also Fjorm, Eir, and Peony crying in the background wishing they’d got 8-Bit sprites.
I feel like they were preparing this as a April Fools joke, but some team took it way too serious and one day before they said ‘Crack it, we’re not going to waste this material..But we can’t release it on April Fools or none will think it’s true…OH, I KNOW. RELEASE IT ONE DAY BEFORE!’
I think for their argument that Heroes is a strong medium to hold ground, they need to keep up the pace from late Book 3 and keep adding in as many new faces over alts as possible. Sad to see Cipher go, I always enjoyed looking at the new art.
Finally, a positive change to the summoning mechanic~! Too bad I’ll never ever get to 40 summons on a banner, as it’s simply not worth it… Unless they add the counter to Special Hero banners too, but.. probably not?
I like it I hoard orbs until I get someone I want and when I drop 300 orbs trying to get someone and I don’t get a single 5 star its frustrating. So if its a forging bonds event so there is 4 extra free summoning tickets if you pull every orb it will only cost you 135 orbs for the unit you want. Which you might even get beforehand, they didn’t say it reset if you got a 5 star I feel it would be very unwise if it did. If you sniped a certain color and only got 1 for each its still means all you would need is 195 orbs if there was only a free summon. A set number is just so nice for a guaranteed unit even if its only once a banner.
I hoped for Sharena (and also twice asked them to add her during the last year), now I root for Líf and Thrasír because that would be the most interesting plot addition. Considering they could be the Alfonse and Veronica Euden met during part 1. And I would totally welcome Loki because my girl is so beautiful in DL style.
I know this article is literal years old at this point but I was squinting at the untranslated map and I think the last “name” in Fibernia is actually おばさん, rather than a character name! So, there was probably an older woman character intended to be from there, although there’s no way of knowing whether it’s her or the character named Niime on this map who would ultimately become the Niime in the final game. Perhaps their characters were merged, or maybe there was meant to be a second older woman character who joined the party? That’d certainly be interesting for Fire Emblem to do, especially considering that currently there are really only two (visibly) older women recruitable in the entire series, by my count.
I got Male Byleth which I had from having 3 houses but that’s still better who got my roommate which had 5 red orbs and got Lillina. He really wanted OG Ike if he had to pull red.
wow, wth happened to Azura… that’s the first resplendent art that is worse than the original…
she looks horrible… the original art isn’t perfect but at least she still looks human, and also not like a serial killer…
“… you could only have up to three save files.” That’s bull, Kusakihara. You bloody DLC-gated that in FE: Fates. I enjoy the series, but IS’s dev team and PR dept. need a major overhaul.
“I myself had originally intended to leave them as they were without bringing them into the new story. I wanted to create a sort of blank space in the game’s world by leaving out a few pieces of the puzzle – suggesting that it was bigger than the scope of the game.”
…So they intended to give them the Lost Primarchs treatment. Interesting.
The director of Codename STEAM did ALL the pre-chapter paintings?? That’s amazing! Glad some people who worked on that game still do great stuff for IS, in spite of that games bad sales.
I have a lot of units but these Limited Heroes are a good challenge I still haven’t found to a way to beat Lunatic Oliver with Marth men. If I had Pheena I might be able to but she has eluded my grasp for a while now.
So the interview has a lot to talk about Edelgard, Claude, and even Rhea and the Nabateans. But when it comes to Dimitri, there is really little to talk about.
Caeda’s weapon implies that she’s a liar. She desperately DOES want to hurt someone. Pretty much anyone will do, with how many things she’s effective against. The sooner the better, with her built-in vantage and DC as her A slot. You’re only safe if your a coloured bow, a mage, a staff user, or a dragon, and even then only if you’re not armoured or green. And may Ashunera, Milla, Duma, and Naga help you if you’re an axe armoured unit, because Caeda certainly won’t. Unless you wanted help into an early grave that is.
Also, someone at IS really can’t count. Unless, because these are all children, they’re deciding that their half-pint size means they count mostly as 1 and half units, but are rounding up?
And Marth is kind of ridiculous himself, considering he’s the 4* unit this time. I mean, dual effectiveness with his Rapier, and a new Oath skill, alongside his own unique special?
Let’s just be glad Merric doesn’t heal himself after combat, even if his HP hits 0. Wouldn’t be surprised if that happened to be a glitch though. Be prepared for a possible, but hopefully temporary, immortal Merric everyone.
On another note, I’m definitely glad that that young Merric doesn’t heal himself if his HP hits zero! There will be no “Wings of Mercy” shenanigans there.
I suppose Fire Emblem celebrating it’s big anniversary by bringing a bunch of child characters into a game centered around clothing damage is… very much on brand, I guess.
Wow! I’m so happy she seems like a great TT+ unit definitely my next project and the fact Minerva is one of my favorite FE characters makes this perfect! I hope her stats complement her kit.
I only have one concern for it: I believe that the Whitewing sister’s Duo skill’s odd-numbered-turn limit only applies to when it refreshes itself and that the skill’s first use can happen on any turn. I believe that because odd-numbered turns are only mentioned in that skill’s description’s second paragraph, so whatever happens in the first paragraph can happen whenever the Duo skill first activates per map even on even-numbered turns. Granted, that description’s second paragraph can mean that the skill’s self-refreshing either (1) exclusively remains active on odd-numbered turns or (2) happens on odd-numbered turns such that the skill can be used once more on any turn, so your guess on which one is true is as good as mine. However, I think that this article should state that the Duo skill in question has the following effects: “When used, grants self and all adjacent fliers 1 extra Move. Afterwords, [your interpretation of that skill’s description’s second paragraph].”
Problem is it would compete with the 2 big brands of the TCG market being Pokemon and Yugioh. So while the mobile game is a success I heavily doubt it will translate in the TCG overseas.
FE is primarily developed with Japan in mind, and this is purely fanservice aimed at them for a game that never released over here in the first place. I’m buying a couple of things from the Expo as my way of celebrating the anniversary.
It’s nice a lot of people’s choices made sense within game. I half expected a lot of crack pairings. Though I guess those would have gotten lost to the wind a lot easier then the ones that make sense. Also quite a few votes for some TMS#FE duos in there that was tied to certain performances they did in game.
Lyon’s a weird choice, even with the bias of FE8 being my first game. When I killed him for the first time I wasn’t sad because he was oh so misunderstood and tragic, I was pretty happy that he got what he deserved.
I think its was because he wanted to save Grado and was possessed by the Demon King while working with the Grado Sacred Stone in the attempt to subvert the disaster to Grado he foresaw.
I know his story. I just don’t think it’s a particularly compelling one. It was a corruption story but the corruption happened because Lyon was weak and stupid.
I never said that he was a bad person, only that he got what he deserved. Oh no daddy died, I’m going to use this obviously evil artifact to revive him. That certainly won’t have any drawbacks. It doesn’t help that the setting of Magvel is so barebones that there’s close to nothing that props Lyon up other than Eirika and Ephraim.
Me, I’m just happy that one didn’t end up as Edelgard. (Oh no, here come more downvotes. To those who say “she’s not a villain”, she is on 3/4 paths and developer interviews confirm this.)
Sounds like you’ve been too much on /r/fireemblem. Don’t go there. Edelgard is absolutely the villain despite what people say. That subreddit is filled with people who are willing to justify their feelings with bad arguments instead of seeing reason on any topic. Once you know the full context of the story it’s impossible to say that Edelgard isn’t the villain.
Even in CF where she is shown in her most positive light it leaves her as a pretty ignorant character. That said, even though I came away from the game not liking her, I still consider her to be an interesting character at the same time.
I agree, I consider her a very interesting and well-written character and easily the best villain the series has had. Except on Crimson Flower, where her writing is all over the place, but that route was clearly rushed.
Why look, one of my favourite units finally gets a refine for a change. I’ve had my Tate at +10 for a while now so it’ll be interesting to see what she’ll get.
Fug, that’s what I get for skimming. Still, I’m happy with her current build and I think she’s better off keeping +Spd over a couple of premium skills.
Thank you to the whole translation team for making this possible!! Archanea Series is my favorite Fire Emblem arc, so I’m SO happy that it’s possible for me to read this! Unfortunately the downloaded files won’t open on my computer, so my reading stops here, but I’m happy I got to read as much as I could anyway! I’m new to Serenes Forest so I don’t know if progress on this project has halted? I hope not because I really want to read the rest! I’ll keep checking in to see if the other volumes have been made available online yet, but of course take your time, you’ve done amazing already 🙂
The Camilla one makes me cringe (and now I know this comment is getting downvoted), but I’m surprisingly okay with the other ones. Though for me, the “villain you just can’t hate” is Arvis, in that he’s one of the few FE villains you actually get to see regret what he’s done. Despite everything awful he did in Part 1, by Part 2 all he did in the name of his “ideal world” has backfired on him horribly and he’s lost everything, by the time you get to kill him he’s just a broken man who’s practically begging to for his suffering to end.
Basically, with Arvis you get to see a villain who wins… and finds out the hard way that winning as the villain sucks.
The hype that comes with these FEH crossovers in Dragalia has no match with anything else they’ve made in the game so far. They put so much love and care in preparing the content, the extra artwork, everything. I kinda wish we would get a crossover like this every year because it is such a blessing to see Fe characters in DL style, both art and models. But at the same time that would probably kill the game, made it another FE gacha T_T
Yeah, I have to agree, although the Monster Hunter event was close. I’m guessing it’s one of the benefits of working together with Nintendo. I really love the FE crossovers of course, but I think it would be nice to see crossovers with other Nintendo franchises like maybe the Legend of Zelda?
Zelda would fit in the easiest for sure. But that could be a slippery slope once you have 1 crossover why not more? then its not FE:Heroes its Smash Heroes.
Makes you think why IS is so counter-productive with crossovers in FEH. This will make them stand out more than other FE characters. Why the hold up, we’re already coming on a second FEH crossover and IS still contributes nothing.
Edelgard: “The title of Emperor falls to House Hresvelg. However, that legacy ends with me.”
Azure Moon, Verdant Wind and Silver Snow players: “Very poor choice of words.”
Yeah, I know… but like many people, for me this story never exist, Edelgard’s story could have been longer with more cutscenes without this fu***ng story 🙁
I personally don’t count the Flame Emperor, since they’re kind of representing pre-release Flame Emperor, back when they were marketing them as a separate character. (And they actually improved her voice filter for Heroes to hide her identity better)
Thing is, we KNOW she’s going to get a swimsuit alt eventually. Which is going to be awkward on several levels.
1. She hates swimming, based on the advice box.
2. Given her backstory, it’d imagine she’s badly scarred in some way. I doubt they’ll actually show that.
3. She’s a major antagonist on most paths, so it’d be kind of like giving Rudolf, the Black Knight or Walhart a swimsuit alt.
Wait… I agree with you for your first and second point but third… She is a Lord ( The most complex in her personality too ). One of the great heroes from FE16. Not Rudolf, not Black Knight, not Walhart.
Interesting I figured the Post timeskip was going to be the Brave alts for the house leaders but apparently not. I wonder what goofy thing they will do then. Also probably going to be Claude and Dimitiri the next two Legendary Heroes which will lead into End of July/August which is approximately when the Brave Heroes come out.
Hmm… I don’t know. Eventually yes, but we never got Xander after Ryoma either. They might just come with a normal banner like MaleGrima. IS doesn’t really stick to patterns with legendarys. Edelgard is probably just lucky to get more alts in general.
I DO agree though that this means Bave designs will be something more creative and goofy^^
So this is just a guess but I think Fallen Ike is one where he actually touches the medallion (despite this being his RD incarnation), I mean he does mention nearly touching it in PoR but Greil stops him from doing so. His entire kit is scary and greatly implies he’s gonna be fast which is rather funny since his other alts aren’t all that fast though they aren’t exactly slow either unless they have -SPD.
Anyways this is a good banner, Ike is definitely gonna be the most wanted one off the banner thats for sure but the others are pretty good too (though I won’t be bothering in getting MF!Corrin).
Not really what I wanted for my birthday…
BUT I WANT THIS LYON. I REALLY DO.
And I’m really digging Ashnard. Sure, another free flying isn’t really what we need, but he should come with something distinctive.
5000 R&R Affinity… How did they ever expect anyone to have that amount of R&R lying around? And sure, I’m sure there are several people who already bought it, but for most people this is ridiculous… At least the Three Heroes quests are back, let’s hope there will be more of those, more frequently.
If I had spent those 3 orbs every week since the resort came out I would have enough to buy it but I didn’t as it was a little silly. I do want her sprite eventually but I can be a patient man.
Personally, I think it’s fine that they aren’t demoting every banner as long as they acknowledge it like this.
All 4 of these characters are very strong and none needed to be demoted. Now, if they suddenly decided to remove the gacha ceiling in New Hero banners, THAT would be a notable problem in my eyes.
I don’t mind they not demote anyone, what I do mind is the reasoning they gave. They don’t care about the game’s balance, the powercreep in this game is the worse out of all the gachas I’ve played by a long shot. With the exception of a handful of refinements, the devs have not done enough to fix the issue and seemingly don’t care enough to either. And this isn’t even getting into the scummy practice of making players pay to give certain heroes stat buffs with their Resplendent attires.
While I agree in theory, you make it sound much worse than it actually plays out since there is no strict PvP. I’m competing at the top of all modes using mostly my favourites and Gen 1 units for instance. With patience and freebies taken into consideration everyone can build anyone into a powerhouse.
It’s more possible in AR since there are no BST limitations and due to you being able to choose which a different team from your presets, but in Arena, even with optimal lucky you’re might barely make the top of Tier 21 with all Gen 1 due to all the whales using 185 BST scoring units like Duos and Christmas Sothis and we still don’t have all Dual skills. I never said it was impossible, but that it’s awful powercreep because it never stops and is so much faster than other gachas. Within the next year, there’s gonna be another BST powercreep and a new skills that makes Y!Ceada look like a chump.
Y!Ceada is practically already a chump if you’re building your favorite units with kits to combat issues like that. I have a Kempf that works alongside my Gen1 Niles to completely trivialize any fight against her in a single round of combat, and still have enough time to clear out an entire Raid map no problem. You can do just fine in this game if you focus on building up your favorite units alone, powercreep only makes it slightly more difficult for older units, but it is never impossible.
So 5/20 is new special heroes. TAKING ALL BETS! Who is going to be in a wedding dress this year? If only because she was the “original” bride class unit I’m going to say Erika. Other then that if they go with premarried couples like they did with Pent and Louise last year maybe Ena and Rajaion if only because they seem to enjoy throwing people in from extended lore lately. More then likely though due to the recency of it, it might be Jeralt and Sitri. Fjorm was last year so it might be Eir this year either that or one of the Muspell Princesses
Huh they actually did a really good job with the silhouette this time. Outside of the little tassel bits near the bottom which makes me think maybe some sort of Hosidan wedding garb perhaps I have no guesses atm.
Yeah a lot of people are guessing Hinata for the left one and a huge call for the right to be Say’ri but that looks more Sakura to me personally if only because it looks like to the right of the head there is a collar and Sakura outfit usually has that. We should find out tonight though.
Well I’ll admit I did not see that coming. Also I’ve done the supports between the two Hosidan people I never got the “destined” vibe from them as I did the other two pairs.
Well I’ll admit I did not see that coming. Also I’ve done the supports between the Oboro and Hinata and I never got the “destined” vibe from them as I did the other two pairs in the banner. Though I suppose it might just be they are there but usually there is a reason like Charlotte’s husband hunting tendencies.
I always put her with Takumi, I typically throw characters together if one is opening attracted to the other and Oboro was VERY open about her feelings for Lord Takumi.
I’ve always gone for Oboro/Takumi too, but since Takumi, along with Leo, is one of the most popular “husbandos” among Fates players (to the point where he got an entire fan-book dedicated to him), I wonder if they decided to shy away from implying any “canon” ship for him to avoid angering fans?
Just because I did like the support Her and Benny could have been nice. Of course Takumi is the most obvious. I guess her and Hinata were chosen just because of them both being retainers to Takumi. Then again it could just be that the chapter story doesn’t link them together in that way. They are separated for starting positions on the final map.
Ah shoot, I knew they’d come for my $10 eventually. Still no Resplendent Marth for some bizarre reason though, what the heck IS?
Special Heroes 40 Summons PLEASE, I still need so many old Specials!
I can imagine. She’s been one of my favourite characters since long before her name was localized, so it feels wrong for me to use a name I don’t associate with her at all.
Thats not necessarily true. They’re all greil summonable (aside from Lif and Sirius) so they are actually a LOT easier to get than most that are in these voting gauntlets, sure they’ll be at 4* but you can just up them to 5* if you have 20k+ feathers ready to be used.
That is not exactly what I mean, kind sir. I was referencing to how, during previous Voting Gauntlet events, they would roll out two focus pools to summon from with three or four focus heroes that appeared in the Voting Gauntlet. That would mean TWO FREE SUMMONS~! 😀 But now.. there is no focus summon for this Voting Gauntlet, as all heroes (minus Líf and Sirius) came from other sources than normal summons. So for this Voting Gauntlet there were no free summons..
Unless you’re implying that heroes who don’t appear in banners don’t deserve to be part of voting gauntlets because of their status, this would’ve happened at some point or another regardless.
Not so much that they don’t deserve a spot there, but maybe not all of them would have to be so limited. Now there is just one “normal” hero, so to speak. Would be nice if there was more balance 🙂
So I don’t know about anyone else but Say’ri speaking in Japanese caught me off guard, at least I think it was Japanese. Also is her VA the same one as Akame from Akame Ga Kill if anyone’s seen that? Cause she sounds like Akame. And Mustafa surprised me as well since he was just a one off enemy leader you had to all but cut through in order to win the fight after the failed rescue attempt for Emmeryn, I guess he was just super popular for some reason. And him having a slight Russian accent is nice, gives a little variety to the voices if nothing else.
I believe that Mustafa is popular because he’s one of the nicest antagonists in the Fire Emblem series. Moved by Emmeryn’s words, he and his men didn’t want to fight, but Gangrel forced them to do so. Despite that, the merciful berserker allowed his men not to fight if they didn’t
want to, and he promised to take all the blame, but his humanity moved
them to fight. Also, Mustafa is the only antagonist to (1) sympathize with Chrom and company for their loss; (2) promise them protection if they surrendered; and (3) allow them to use their fight against him as an outlet for their rage. To contrast all this, he’s the first boss faced after that failed rescue attempt, the heroes treat him as the one of the biggest scumbags they faced yet because of that, and they completely forget about about him after he falls.
You’re reading way too much into a situation that lacks coherency with the rest of the story. Emmeryn’s sacrifice was certainly the only point in Awakening where I felt that stakes were high and motivations could be developed further, but the couple of chapters that pad that one are so drastic in their tonal shifts that I couldn’t help but question the ability of the writers to form a decent story. A consistent tone is important, and chapters like Mustafa’s would’ve felt so much more real had Awakening been more linear and decisive in its storytelling.
I actually agree with you on the Awakening’s story lacking coherence and consistency. When I encountered that point in the plot, it did feel out of place to me. However, what captivated me wasn’t that part of the story, but a character within it who clicked with me. While I liked many of Awakening’s characters for their quirks, Mustafa was one of a very few characters with whom I could relate. I guess I’m a sucker for characters with personalities as honorable, sincere, and realistic as his.
Well you can’t really blame them for treating him that way, I can understand that some see that as rather unfair but considering the previous enemy generals they went against were all scumbags themselves (just like their king) and would gladly gut a innocent civilian, Chrom and the others (especially those from Yliese) would have a rather hard time believing Mustafa as a more honorable general considering all that had just transpired.
I don’t think it’s mentioned if Mustafa has Olivia or not, at least I don’t remember it being mentioned but then again its been a while since I’ve played the game.
According to Meet the Heroes
“Olivia: A dancer who travels widely and is quite gifted, despite extreme shyness. She is aided by Mustafa during her attempt to flee Plegian territory.”
Mustafa isn’t the first sympathetic one off though. There’s quite a decent handful in the series. It’s just that he’s from Awakening, a game a lot of people played, so people actually know about him.
Reinhardt isn’t that relevant, and he got into the game. While he is gray, he’s way more despicable than Mustafa, but yet people seem to hail him as some amazing character.
That is true. Also in what way is Reinhardt more despicable than Mustafa? When either he attacks you or you attack him, his quote clearly shows that he’s rather reluctant to fight you, I can imagine Olwen having a slight part in that reluctance but…
Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not but I’m genuinely happy because I really did like him, I was always sad when I had to kill him, and I remember him being one of the more popular minor characters/bosses.
It would be nice if Say’ri being presented as a Japanese speaking character (for what reason they thought best) that they’d add a feature where you can decide on a hero-to-hero basis to have them voiced in English or Japanese. I’d love for Itsuki to be proper, without turning my entire game into a Japanese game ^^
Lets see pity broke by Brave Eliwood (manual), FByleth (which I didn’t have), and right at the end I got Say’ri. Then used my free summon for Anna. I will wait for the banner to try and get the daydreamer. but seriously I think I got like 3 4 stars that summoning event there were SOOOO many 3 stars.
I’ll just save my orbs here and be happy with Kleine’s refine. It’s actually really damn good. I had the Atk/Spd+4 bow on her prior to this, and the bow she just got offers that and more. She’ll have great synergy with Marisa now for me.
Ok, so me calling Peony as an Askran immediately after her release is still looking plausible, me calling her as an Asrkan Royal remains up in the air but I’ll hold to it. Looking kind of meh so far.
Well, I’ve been waiting for Selena to get added for a while, though I would’ve preferred to see her MK incarnation first. She looks good, and I have 350 orbs, so I may part with a couple of them.
I cannot be the only one disagreeing with Heroes putting ‘Marth’ in a swimsuit that reveals their gender… What made ‘Marth’ strong as a character was how they managed to conceal their true identity, even assuming another gender altogether (like Sheik in Ocarina of Time was rumoured to do). They’ve thrown that out of the window for no other reason than to put another young woman in revealing clothes. Way to go, Heroes team!
(Also, Harmonised is written with an s, obviously)
Sorry, I’m not quite sure I understand what you mean with “spoiling other games”? You mean with the Lost Lore bits? And how they didn’t make a Zelgius, just a Black Knight without a helmet? And and and… Hmm.. I think I’m starting to see what you mean 😛
Fates is not even THAT old. It wasn’t a great game, but it was still on the previous line of Nintendo consoles. And then still, spoiling the full story isn’t really nice. If Lost Lores wouldn’t give Orbs, I probably wouldn’t even bother checking it 😛
As for your comment on reducing strong characters and turning them into anime bait.. *takes a look at all the heroes with inflated breast-sizes and/or ridiculously distasteful clothing choices* ..I don’t even have to tell you you have a point 😉
These are great, but you forgot one bit of news. The game’s Mythic bug has been addressed! For those who don’t know, this bug basically sometimes match-made players with a low-scoring team that was mistaken for a high-scoring one, and it made some competitive players’ scores in Arena Assault where matches are played consecutively. With this bug resolved those players don’t necessarily have to restart their already stressful runs.
Well I’m missing 5/7 colorless summer heroes so I hope I don’t get orb screwed on the free unit. oh who am I kidding they will be there and I will get 1 of the ones I already have.
May I please suggest a fix on the last sentence of this article? Here’s how:
Current: Previously, if a team included an in-season Legendary Hero, but an off-season Mythic Hero, players could encounter teams with higher scores than intended, but still obtain a lower score after winning.
Suggested: Previously, if a defense team included an in-season Legendary Hero and an off-season Mythic Hero, players with higher scores than intended could encounter that team but still obtain a lower score after winning.
The suggested sentence specifies which teams activate the bug and which players the bug affected.
In any case, I thank you for mentioning this bug, and I’m sorry if my explanation of it from the previous article’s comment section was vague. Also, I really like the tongue-in-cheek joke about Lucina appearing in this month’s Tempest Trial banner.
Let’s see, 370~ orbs netted me one 5* and eight 4* Lute, and one each of Selena, Edelgard, and Tsubasa. I didn’t intend to waste my full supply but Selena came so late on that there wasn’t any point holding onto the remainder. Sitting at a 4.25% rate though so I might be able to get another copy later. Oh yeah, worth noting that I didn’t get a single Altenna. In total I’ve gotten one 4* of her since she came out so she’s still sitting at a measly +1.
Ahh, I didn’t even know there were more! I only know those four because they were in Echoes ^^ Yes, they all deserve a spot in Heroes, but they have to be quick then, since the end is fast approaching!
While we’re at it.. they might as well add the Fire Emblem Warriors exclusive characters…
I knew this would happen eventually. I dunno what I will do with the resplendent one once its out as I have already +10 Minerva from all the pity breaks and abnormal off focus free summons she has given me on the repeat banners.
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But but… I like the old site’s theme better… 🙁
looks great!! but i do miss the guestbook…
The Sword sprites all make it worth it.
Could you have the website not run on fixed width? I have a 1600×900 screen and there is so much wasted space because of the fixed width.
In the future, maybe. Right now my focus is getting the forums and new site working together without killing the server.
How could you take the IPC from me? How will I waste my life away now? :c
R.I.P. in pizza old theme
The Falchion sprites are the best thing about this.
Wiki page appears dead. Not major, but still notable
I’m aware. I have to configure the server to correctly deal with the way the Wiki’s pages work. My priority is the main site and forums first, though.
Wiki Link doesn’t work, ftr
wait does that mean you want me to ultra stress test the forums by posting a lot
Yay.
For now, at least…
Wait, I’m getting a lot of Error 502 or is it just me?
Not surprising. I’m intentionally stressing the server right now while I try to troubleshoot.
Mixed feelings on the new layout.
I’m probably just too used to the old one.
rip in pieces fe4thread
Any chances of having a rollback like what happened five years ago?
What happened 5 years ago shouldn’t ever happen again.
So now Serenes forest has disqus like Zelda Dungeon . So does this mean the account I made for the forums is useless now?
i don’t think the forums themselves are running off of disqus.
I wouldn’t want them to. :V
Nope. Disqus will only be used for comments on the main site news and news pages for individual games. The forums will stay the same.
I made a donation. Hope it helps.
Ha ha ha…
Having a discussion here as well is already worth the site’s change.
God bless you. 😀
If it’s for a better future, so be it! The new icon and site layouts makes it ever so worth it! 😀
You do know that there’s a bunch of links on sites that crib off SF that will now link to 404s, right Jyosua?
I can track that and try to implement redirects.
Thanks.
What’s the goal $ for donations?
About $350. We’re currently halfway there! I’m really, really grateful to everyone who donated.
I’m glad we’ve got so many people who care for the site. I did my part for the cause, but sadly I’m kind of poor right now so it’s not a remarkable amount.
Hey man, thank you anyhow.
Also, I need to figure out how to make you a mod on the disqus comments. Once I finish fixing the server issues, I’ll give you your admin account for the site on here as well.
donation $7 -Red
donated, then my bank went totally nuts about it
Well, that /was/ a lot to donate. I really do appreciate it, though. Thank you very much!
I feel bad that i can’t give anything. need to save the money for college tuition. Sorry guys
It takes so much longer for links to load; it’s really inconvenient.
We can’t go back to the old layout, can we?
Okay, things are loading much faster now.
Ya’ll beat me to my bank. Support for our family is strong! I’m proud of you all, my children; thank you for supporting Jyoshua, and for supporting SF.
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Thanks, I can’t find another suitable official link that mentions both price cuts and I don’t have a Wii U to view its eShop myself.
Any word of it possibly being available in my backwater country (The US)?
Still, I do still have a cart and DS Lite with half a play-through on it. ^_^;
Not yet, but it’s out in Japan too, so I suspect it’ll be released in the US eventually.
Wow you guys have disqus here??? I qm a huge FE fan and come here a lot XD I am jealous that japan and Europe got rekka no ken. I love this game I maybe beat it five times and would love to play it on my 3ds
And this message may not be seen because well this post is from hours ago
Sadly it probably won’t be released on 3DS, as Nintendo doesn’t have a GBA Virtual Console on the 3DS (ignoring the Ambassador’s Program from a few years ago). But I’m guessing it’ll eventually be on the Wii U VC in other countries.
Lol I actually hadn’t noticed it said wiiu when I posted this XD
“Old.sf.net”, eh? Nice job patching up the cracks, Jyosua.
Two questions:
1: Are you and the Jyosua affiliated with Skullgirls two different people?
2: Can I be unbanned please?
As far as the Skullgirls question, you mean for streaming events with Skullgirls? No, that is also me.
Unbanned? Where are you banned?
1:Cool, thought it was a big coincidence. I mean, for someone to be both a competitive fighting game tourney pro and the bearer of the mantle of FESS is almost too unbelievable to be true.
2: You don’t know me? Integ and Nightmare know me plenty.
Well, I can’t consider myself a pro unless I actually win a tournament. At this point, I definitely have not.
As far as the ban, sorry man. After checking into it, it sounds like you’ve been ban dodging and were even problematic during that time. Normally ban dodging substantially hurts someone’s case to allow them back onto the forums, but if they were also problematic during the time before we discovered the dodge, that only serves to reinforce the ban.
If I were you, I’d just step away from the place for a while. Go hang out on another community in the meantime. If you have good behavior there for a very long period of time, then that might support justification for a second (technically third) chance.
Pretty jealous of Europe right now! I’d totally buy FE7 on VC and play it over and over again like when it first came out on GBA. Forever my favorite FE, probably~
Also, the site update’s looking really nice! Jyosua did good work!
It wasn’t just me. While I did the design, Makaze was a major help with transferring a very large number of the pages.
Good job all around then!!! 🙂
Why, Nintendo? Why would you put FE7 on the Wii U and not on the 3DS where it makes sense- and where I can get it? I don’t own a Wii U… That being said, my cartridge and my old GBA SP still work, so it’s not like I can’t play anymore. If any of the GBA FEs come to 3DS VC though, you can bet your bottom dollar I will be getting them a second time (first time legally in case of FE6)
Is it known whether they’ve used the EU version or US version? I’d be pretty miffed if we got cheated out of the extended epilogue again…
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Sry for posting about it here, but I can’t seem to post on the forum for some reason. On the Maximum Stats page of Awakening when looking at the classes for Laurent (MirielxRicken) Dark Mage and Sorcerer are not options, when in the game they actually are options. So, just something I’ve noticed. And again sry for not posting in the right place.
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For some reason, the map reminds me of the Essos continent in A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones… just the general shape/outline.
When are you going to post the Morgan and Avatar map sprites?
I was thinking maybe Tellius for the lower left (maybe it looks somewhat different because map-makers weren’t working with satellite and aerial photography so there may be some inconsistencies… or it’s just x-thousand years later like Ylisse/Archanea)…
Maybe a map of Ike’s journey? Like he traveled the entire continent before settling in the lower right… I dunno.
Looks like Elibe to me. There are slight differences in the areas that would be Etruria and Ilia but the general shape is similar. It is worth mentioning that where Bern would be there is a name that looks to be 4 letters and is likely Bern. Many of the mountains are in similar places though they appear to be spaced out more.
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(And another twenty-five years of FE!)
We’re one of the oldest FE sites still around at this point. It’s really impressive, when you think about it. Good work, Vincent!
Keep going strong!
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Happy Annneversary! I’ve visted this site a few times, but I think I’m gonna start hanging out here more often.
Looking forward to this game.
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Panty shot!
… I need to get to Japan. XD
Al is so cute! X3
Ah! Someone needs to put this on the internet somehow. For posterity, of course! We have a duty to those that follow us, after all.
I ought–I mean, they ought be able to experience the orgasmic orchestration. It must be immortalized upon the YouTubes, or a torrent site in a lossless format, or something!
No doubt they’ll play some songs from every game. 😀 Hoping for Land of Sorrow from FE2.
Feels good living in Japan 😀
I hope the tickets don’t sell out before I can get some.
On my birthday on the second day too. Haha.
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A little underwhelming, to be honest. Especially for prices like that.
Ayyyyyeeee these 6 pins with pictures of some lords on them and those two posters! Very nice.
Im interested in that staff book, but I am sure that a certain creator will not even be mentioned.
shouldn’t the year be 2015???
Thanks. Still not used to the new year, haha.
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Isn’t locking the other campaign and forcing the player to buy it the same as just having two separate copies and forcing you to buy the other as DLC?
There is no indication that it will be on-disc DLC, nor that each game won’t be a complete experience on its own. It seems to be more along the lines of the Zelda Oracle games, but with a more convenient means of getting the other version.
While the retail version does seem similar to the LoZ Oracle games, I was referring to the digital version, which was stated to “only be one version, unlike the packaged game. Once you reach a certain point, you must decide whether to side with Hoshido or Nohr. After making this choice, the other campaign will be permanently locked (until you buy it as DLC).”
Whoops, tried to delete that post after I read the whole thing. Sorry, totally derped on that one XD. I don’t know why they’re doing that digitally when they could’ve done the same version shenanigans, but I’m guessing it’s because it’s functionally no different and may somehow be more convenient. Though having to download an extra-large file could be a pain for some.
There’s that possibility. We just don’t know enough yet to draw a conclusion.
But that could be what’s going on.
So about as much content as Awakening? Disregarding DLC, Awakening had a decent amount of main game content and side stuff. Not quite as much as I would’ve liked from an FE game, but it was still a good amount.
So it’s not too bad of a price. Hopefully we get the bundled version, too. I don’t want to have to switch carts in order to experience the entire story.
Awakening not including DLC was 41 Chapters of Content, that’s actually more than previous games.
If it’s only 41 chapters, that actually just about matches Radiant Dawn’s content. With Awakening though, a massive chunk of that is side story content. All of Radiant Dawn’s content is main story. I want another FE with as much story content as RD.
This is some speculation on my part but I suspect that the Nohr path might resemble what you’re expecting while the Hoshidan path is more like the awakening route.
Wait, is the DLC where you don’t pick a side the same as the 3rd scenario DLC?
Yes there is that DLC scenario, which ultimately raises the cost of everything to $70 ish dollars, which costs less than everything than in awakening.
Interesting how both versions of the protagonist are barefoot, but male Kamui has armour on the inside of his legs whereas female Kamui doesn’t.
The female version has her thighs exposed because it’s sexy. Also she has two left feet
“the site emphasises that each of the two versions (Hoshido and Nohr) contains a similar amount of content as the previous game, Awakening. So you won’t be paying for half a game at all, if you buy just one of the versions”
Yeah right, IF they cut the world exploration on Nohr’s route (game) doesn’t that just make the game “shorter”. You can’t do anything else other than playing the main story. So that means if you bought the physical version of FE Nohr, you ARE missing some content when you compare it with Hoshido version. If that the case Nohr’s game SHOULD cost less than Hoshido because some content was CUT from the game.
At first I thought I’m going to choose Nohr, but if that means I’m getting a game that have less content, NO THANK YOU NINTENDO
I hope the NA will combine both version, I don’t mind if the price is a little bit higher because it’s better than buying a version of one of the game that have less content with the other. They can make the game harder in many ways, cutting content just to make it seems harder is BS
You seem to assume that because something isn’t featured, it means it was gonna be and was “cut.” Not every Fire Emblem game has a map and world exploration. And it’s quite possible that in place of the map, there will be other content.
Also, just because there’s no map does not mean there are no side stories. There are other ways to integrate them into the game.
Correct that Hoshido probably have more content but if you wanted to play Nohr side it would cost around 20$ and vice versa for Hoshido. The whole game would be around 60$ with both sides. I mean who would only buy one side of Fire Emblem am I right?
To be fair, assuming that they hold true to their words, that’s a little under 80 chapters of gameplay not including free DLC and I spent well over 200 hours with Awakening’s 73 chapters including DLC which totaled in value to $85.50 for everything. Actually now that I think about it, getting everything in IF costs LESS than getting everything in Awakening. What the hell Nintendo?
What exactly would they be cutting? If you mean paralogues, they’ve traditionally been linearly inserted into the story if you meet the conditions at the time. If you mean whatever the Risen fight equivalents would be, frankly, that’s a poor caliber of content.
If NA choose to follow Japan’s path, it’s more cost efficient buying Hoshido and then buy the DLC version of Nohr. Man, my mood just went from excitment to confusion to agitation in just a couple hours. Thanks a lot Nintendo.
So for choosing those that raised me I’m rewarded with choke-point battles and possibly less to see and do? Pretty obvious who Nintendo wants me to side with. Yeah, no, Nintendo I’m choosing loyalty.
…Hopefully NA just skips that mess and goes right to the special edition.
Same.
It just seems that they are being biased with the Hoshido faction.
Not to mention “Peaceful Hoshido” and “Glory seeking Noir” when Japan has always been glory seeking and stuck in civil wars for most (if not, entire) history until about 100 years ago.
Either way, I’m going to have fun with the Noire faction as it seems for the veterans of the series.
Honestly though, if I don’t get the special edition (or at least, both), I’ll just stick with one side of the game as Noir.
I’m probably just going to buy both of them even if we don’t get the special edition. Maybe we’ll also get some of those trading cards, am I right?
And I’m sort of hoping if they do the DLC characters thing like they did in Awakening, it’s a little more fleshed out and not just modeled Avatars made to somewhat resemble old characters that are in normal classes.
Japan was in a civil war, however this game is not the same as the real world, they are inspired by the Japanese culture, but i don’t think they really mean that they are. Japan also have been unified by Oda, which was prosperous then.
U.S will release both game separate, they wont bother to merge it, however the special package will release on the following day’s of Fire emblem IF 2 version (JP only). U.S will take some time to convert the third package, and will vary if they will include those mischievous items. Game might release on April 2016 for U.S, 11 month after the release of JP version.
I want to be excited for this game but making two versions with an expensive DLC add-on just reeks of a money grabbing ploy and less content for your money. You don’t just develop 2 games worth of content and release them at the same time.
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I don’t have any friends, that I still routinely communicate with, that love Fire Emblem. But this information makes me incredibly excited. I appreciate the work you guys do.
To the left of the weapon names is what appears to be an HP bar for the weapons. Dragonstones, at least the one shown, seem to have infinite uses however.
The stat distribution seems to have been nerfed to normal levels, thankfully.
Also, why do people keep saying that the version with the world map is the traditional one? There’s nothing traditional about the world map and annoying infinite grinding.
Sorry, the traditional part refers to the story premise. Basically you’re fighting an invading kingdom : )
I really hope you’re right about the HP bar thing, because infinite weapon use would disappoint me quite a bit.
But, I don’t see how this would be an improvement. It’s much harder to read compared to plain numbers, if it is what you said it might be.
It is true, it shows the weapon type in a box that in some images is filled green and others the green is almost run out. As mentioned it is much harder to read compared to plain numbers, hopefully that will get changed
HYPE!
Lol, Happy April 1st. Good thing they aren’t jumping the shark here… XD
EDIT: Having a melee in a spacesuit is the dumbest concept ever…
I dunno if it’s been mentioned, but at the part where it mentions the digital version, there is a little typo. “Upon reaching Chapter 6–the point at which you must choose sides–after making your choice, the other campaign will be permanently unlocked ” It should say “locked” rather than unlocked?
The black boxes seem to suggest that Nintendo is expecting a CERO rating of C, higher than any other game in the series.
It seems like a lot of RPGS are getting CERO C. Xenoblade X is rated that, for one. Historically, 90% CERO C usually still equals T.
I’m not concerned about the game receiving anything higher than a T over here. I’m just curious about what bumped the game over Awakenings B rating.
If CERO is anything like the ESRB, it’s a small group of people, and a few staff changes spells different rating methods. It may be due to being required to kill off the other family that you don’t pick, as other people are saying. Not sure why anybody wouldn’t feel a tad put off by that.
people wanted a more traditional Fire Emblem; you got it!
Not that it’ll matter for Lunatic…
hype
More like Hype? This Marketing Scheme is so freaking convoluted and Stupid, they should’ve just released the two games in a pack for the 6550 yen, instead of this weird two versions shite. I’m still gonna get the whole thing because its actually cheaper than Awakening’s total cost and appears to be a better designed game, but I’d rather they just went the simple route and be upfront about the cost of the game for the sake of the consumer.
Nah, straight hype. I’ve already used apparently-not-so-common-but-should-be-common sense to reason out why they’re doing what they are. If they were “up front” about the cost people would be spewing bullshit about how a single 3DS game is $59.99 or $79.99. Most people would NOT pay that much for one handheld game, so people would be bitching about something else/accusing Nintendo of milking us through inflated prices even when the pricing is actually pretty damn fair given how much content there is. The “passionate” fans are generally just never happy and are kind of the worst fans because of that (they spend more time complaining and whining about everything as opposed to the people who just sit back and enjoy the game).
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Another thing, I think Felicia should be in the Hoshido characters rather than the Nohr characters.
So from what I understand, Kamui=Theon Greyjoy.
sounds about right
you missed the blue haired maid and Gantz
Ganz, I could write a tiny bit about, but I’ve got nothing to write about for the other maid : P
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I really hate what they’ve chosen to do with this game. As far as I’m concerned, the special edition version is the only that should even exist period. I don’t take kindly to the idea of FE: Pokemon Edition, in which I will be squeezed and prodded for extra cash just to be able to enjoy the complete experience.
And I really hate that the Nohr campaign has no overworld. A massive amount of Awakening’s appeal is the ability to do whatever the fuck you want, instead of basically playing stages, hitting the credits, and *poof*. Roll credits. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth when games do that; it removes replay value along with fun. I thought *Choice* was supposed to be the central theme of If, but now if I want Nohr, I’m basically robbed of choice?
Say whatever you want about how grinding made Awakening too easy. But no matter how you feel about it, the fact still stands that nothing forced you to do so if you didn’t want to (Lunatic (+) doesn’t count). So if you didn’t want to grind, you didn’t have to, in which case you would still be getting your core FE experience. But it was the freedom and added content of that option to grind or do side stuff or shop or whatever that made Awakening last hundreds of hours for me.
But nope. If I want to have fun, I have no choice to side with Hoshido every single time. Call me a scrub and a newbie and an Awakening fag if you want, but I stand by that opinion. I’ll probably buy it anyways, but only if I can get the special edition.
So much for “If”.
But what else was there to do on Awakening’s world map besides grind? I mean, the DLC was better for that idea anyway.
It’s the principle of it, though.
It’s like the difference between driving a car when you’re in Driver’s Ed. (Nohr) and when you have your own (Hoshido).
In one case, sure, you’re behind the wheel, but you pretty much can only go where the instructor tells you to. In the other, you have complete and total freedom to go where you want, when you want with only traffic laws and your gas tank to guide you.
I greatly prefer the idea of a world map where I can say “well, I’ve done 5 story chapters, but that Paralogue over there looks interesting. I’m gonna do that instead“. Or “hey, I’m playing Lunatic+ and could use a little training; I’m gonna go grind in the DLC for a bit”. Yeah, it may admittedly not be the most incredibly amazing piece of side content ever, but at least you can tackle it on your terms.
To me, repeatedly emphasizing how FE:If is all about choice, but then removing a lot of that choice from me because I *chose* a different version is ridiculous and self-defeating, nevermind the bullshit of splitting the games in two to sucker me out of more money instead of just giving me the full experience in one.
To a certain extent I agree with you, I believe that there should’ve been one version of the game+ the DLC. I didn’t care for the world map at all in Awakening, others said it actually hurt the game’s design. But from an actual value proposition perspective as most people have as “problem” with this game, I actually don’t have that complaint as I have demonstrated in the other comments. I just hate this from a marketing standpoint and I hope the NA version is different. Otherwise, I’m actually quite happy that there’s some satiation of rabid fans who prefer the (generally harder) linear FE games vs the world Map FE’s.
The open world map design greatly hurt Awakening’s design, as it also screwed over Sacred Stones. It disallows maps from having too many gimmicks. Awakening barely has any treasure, lacks different objectives, has plenty of “square” and lineal maps, lacks fog of war and Arenas/Stores.
It also opens the game up for incredibly lazy design like Awkaening’s Lunatic and Lunatic +. You either have to cheese the game with Avatar/Chrom/Frederick or grind (with the DLC of course unless you want to be extremely patient and cheese the game) until your units are. In older games Hard Mode had to be actually balanced. Older games also had ranking systems to encourage value and FE7 had alternate maps and characters.
Awakening’s good but it shouldn’t be the game the design revolves around.
I don’t think any of those are things that couldn’t be fixed while still retaining the open map. Different objectives, for example, is literally as simple as providing a greater objective variety within the maps themselves? I mean, Awakening didn’t *need* to have “route the enemy” as the objective for 95% of its maps, nor did they need to be so simplistic in layout. The world map’s existence had nothing to do with the decision to do so.
I think Nohr’s heightened difficulty could be accomplished so much better if its maps featured more challenging layouts with more difficult enemy placement (i.e., don’the put all the Wyvern Riders into one group gaggle where a mage with a single wind tome can easily kill them all without threat of, say, Sorceror retaliation) ,and more difficult map objectives compared to the Hoshino campaign. Limited access to experience and money, to the point where it’s practically like being feed through a stomach tube, is artificial difficulty to me. There’s no need for Nohr’s difficulty to come from such methods, when more creative means would do the job infinitely better.
The same thing would also offer a way to balance higher difficulties. “Harder” should mean “more difficult”, not “now with 50% more bullshit per tile”. The existence of a world map has nothing to do with how well designed the missions it contains are designed; a better design will solve virtually all of Awakening’s problems, save for the grinding DLC, which I think should be maintained for those that want it. Properly designed difficulty won’t be as easily broken by gridning: after all, grinding can’t make smarter AI less smart, for example. If the enemy is difficult by nature (not just because it’s the Prologue and they’re using Steel weapons and have 5x your stats).
Bottom line: I want If to improve on Awakening, but at the same keep its freedoms. That’s why I’m upset about Nohr’s handling.
That’s the point, part of the difficulty of Fire Emblem is resource management, both equipment and monetary. The reason the map design is so flat in Awakening is so you can’t get into an unwinnable situation. Plus there was stupid RNG shit like the Barracks and tiles. Maps also have to be flat to allow them to be replayable. Critical Treasure are a non-factor in awakening.
The open world is what allowed the x5 your stats BS. A more lineal experience forces IS to not be lazy with their design. It’s like a Free to Play game, it inherently makes the devs lazier, and makes them not consider everything correctly. The biggest evidence is the unwinnable chapter 1 in Awakening plus all the random elements that game introduced.
I don’t see how an open world map should have any bearing on the design of chapter maps. If the game is designed without the DLC’s existence having any factor, then you can still design a competent map whilest still allowing for outside freedom.
I want to keep the freedom of Awakening, but make the maps themselves more challenging. As far as I care, chapter maps and the world map should two completely different aspects of the overall game; once you begin a chapter, you have walked into the lion’s den. It should challenge you, and providing a challenge should have nothing to do with also having an explorable world with side content.
The way you design a difficult map is by having a difficult game, but doing so fairly. I dislike the idea of flat limits on experience and funds because the completionist in me hates the idea that I can’t cap my army out. I also hate it because it feels like difficulty created by neglect. Difficulty should be entirely based on your skill as a player; you should have all the tools to win available to you, but actually winning should still be up to your skill. In other words, smarter AI that responds to your moves more like an opponent and less like an algorithm. I want to punished for my mistakes, not because I’m just not allowed to have enough experience to go around, meaning that the majority of my army is reduced to nothing but bench-warmers (I like unit variety, especially being able to bring different units for different situations). I want interesting map design that’s doesn’t just look like a random section of a math graph. If I do something stupid and get people killed, backing myself into an unwinnable corner, that’s my fault because I made it unwinnable; that’s not unwinnable by design.
I see absolutely no reason why If can’t fix the problems of Awakening while still retaining what it did well.
OK, sure Intelligent systems could make separate maps for story chapters and stupid grinding easy baby mode. Still the problem is that the world map in Awakening and Sacred Stones ended up affecting the overall design of the game. It takes time, resources and makes the devs less likely to balance the game correctly. This is why Awakening has a bullshit Lunatic mode and why some Sacred Stones missions spike the difficulty way too much.
The existence of grind-able maps makes the game pretty hard for having diverse maps or creating much unique situations. No doors or many chokepoints, because the enemy army has to throw itself at you like pikmins. No need for long winding maps or maps with various routes because that increases the time you need to reach the enemy so they can go kill themselves. Defend maps also have to go because again the properly designed ones make your units fight in a small face filled with chokepoints.
No climbable terrain, no traps. It’s not a coincidence Awakening and Sacred Stones had less gimmicks overall. Sacred Stones does have more varied elements than awakening, but it lacks them compared to its two GBA predecessors.
As I also mentioned, Resource management has always been an important part of the FE Experience and Awakening reduces it. No need to have iron weapons late in the game. Just deck out everyone in silver/brave forged weapon that never go away with Armsthrift. No real thoughtful choices about when to promote units. No need to save gold to recruit one or two units.
Don’t worry if the devs are doing their jobs correctly and not making stupid decisions that make them have time to not balance the game you could clear the game with the default units. If Fire Emblem 6 can be cleared with 0% growths so can the Nohr version (if it’s done properly).
The end point is this, as can be seen in Sacred Stones and Awakening the open world design causes:
1. Difficulty spikes (Chapter 15 in sacred stones and the unbalanced, unfair lunatic mode in Awakening)
2. Less importance of resource management, leading to less meaningful choices. (No need to choose who get’s Delphi’s shield or the boots, or when to promote, when to use the powerful staves)
3. More restricted map design (it has to be open so you can grind fast)
4. Far less gimmicks/Interesting map design (No traps, no fog of war, no treasure balancing, barely any Status effect enemies, no ballistas, barely any long ranged tomes, enemy AI very rarely retreats, no stealing, no need for NPCs that meatshield you, no need for objectives other than rout and kill commander)
5. Less importance in character roles. Although that’s solved if they remove the second seals.
The solution could be a sacred stones style zone(s) that are separate from the chapters but that still gives less time for the chapters to be truly polished. For 10 games the series has worked perfectly and the installments with the open world map design have always been controversial.
I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you will NOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).
Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps“) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you can have it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!
I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE could ever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically be required to completely ruin the game, as you claim?
I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I will agree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.
Even the Zelda fandom isn’t this resistant to change.
“I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you willNOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).”
I understand it perfectly, the problem is that OK if you can only go to the next chapter what’s the point of adding that. No more heroes had barely anything in the world map so they removed it for the sequel.
I’m guessing you want to fight random trash mobs to gain resources, but this messes up a fundamental theme of the series. To feel like a tactician, managing an army with limited and valuable resources.
You don’t think people design games with DLC in mind, especially Awakening which had the Gold and Experience pack a month after release in Japan and are almost required if you want to use more units than Chrom+Avatar in Lunatic and Lunatic+.
“Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps”) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you canhave it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!”
OK, so you want grindable maps to be completely separate from the chapter maps, great so either the devs have to spend less time in each chapter map while making the grindable maps or they hire more people to make those. That’s the best solution but well it impacts costs and IS isn’t running a charity unfortunately.
“I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE couldever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically berequired to completely ruin the game, as you claim?”
They can do a hub world, but my problems is if they started including trash mobs to grind and ruin the resource management aspects of the game. Ok, Nohr unlocks paralogues and can do them any time, just access them from your base menu or make a linear map that’s empty and you can sidestep and do the paralogues or distinct version of a chapter. My only problem with the hub world and map is the trash mobs.
“I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I willagree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
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So again you want to remove all individuality for units (I assume you want the second seal and reclassing to be brought back), the theme of overcoming struggles, the theme of meaningful, impactful choice (who do I promote?) and give the devs a lazy way to not properly balance the game for people who don’t want to grind. Besides you could sort of grind in FE 6 & 7 with the arenas, but it was more like gambling and screwed up your ranking and took forever to do. I don’t mind that.
“I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.”
They are not good changes, they are changes to make the game more like an RPG. Go play Final Fantasy Tactics, which is a great game by the way, but don’t start trampling on the fundamental themes and design of Fire Emblem and start crying when a title appeals to the themes and design that made the franchise successful.
Fire emblem 9 and 10 had the best base management system (You can buy equipment, you can use your BEXP, The supports were done the best in that game, You could have funny and insightful side conversations, you could get some fancy items). Awakening did the pair up and marriage system good and the skill system was OK. I don’t mind casual, but there should be a reward for playing on classic, just like Reflex mode in MGSV.
So basically:
– The trash mobs need to go, or at least not provide you with more resources.
– DLC is fine as long as again it doesn’t provide you with resources.
– World map is fine as long as you can’t get more resources. Make split paths. Make the paralogues (maybe not all) accessible when you want to tackle them. Have you choose from saving X or impacting Y storywise based on which of two or more chapters you choose.
– The arena system is fine, you can spend all day on that and grind and buy whatever gear you want, but if you fail prepare to restart… now that I think about it Casual mode ruins that a little.
– Make grindable maps (for the Hoshido version) separate from chapter maps.
– Make choices more meaningful by making top gear and promotion items more limited. There is a feeling glee when your Silver weapon you spent all your cash on helps you clear a chapter you were having trouble on. It also makes meaningful choices to see which units you promote. Awakening diluted the effect of promoting your units.
– Remove reclassing, ruins the characters designs and individuality of the characters IMO.
– Make supports based on chapters, not on turns spent together like glue.
– Put the ranking system back.
– Reward players for choosing classic mode.
So yeah make the game Fire Emblem again not Final Fantasy Tactics 2.
The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.
Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.
Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.
I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.
Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more because so many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).
Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.
So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.
I disagree on removing it altogether, but agree on fixing it. The reason for reclassing in the first place was because many classes in Awakening had poor skills available. Get rid of every single last [Stat]+X skill and replace them with actually interesting ones. I honestly never once used a Rally ever either; either improve those, or do the same as with Stat+ skills. Additionally, rebalance Second-Tier classes so there aren’t just 6 classes that are all clearly better than the rest (that everyone has access to), leaving little reason to leave units within their original class family (those 6 being Hero, Falcon Knight, Sorcerer [because Nosferatu is broken as fuck], Manakete, Bride [DLC], and Dread Fighter [DLC]).
As for the characters themselves, how about we make the characters more interesting in the first place. I kinda liked Awakening’s cast, but very few of them did more than amuse me; I only really ended up loving a small select few, whereas the rest were there for entertainment value. Improve characterisation, and their individuality will improve along with it. Rebalance the promoted classes as mentioned before, and it will be more or less ideal; the problem was always that most base promotions just weren’t as good, not that I actually wanted half my army to be Heros.
In conclusion, I want to keep freedom, choice, and player options. I’m not saying make If Awakening 2; I’m saying Awakening had things it does right, and I’d like to keep them. My big issue with Nohr is simply the fact that it and Hoshido are built on 2 completely different philosophies. Perhaps you like a core FE experience; nothing wrong with that, but there are better ways to keep it than just forcing it down everyone’s throat and thus restricting its appeal (regardless of what you think, there’s no question Awakening was the most successful FE to date, and that’s entirely because it opened itself up and made the series more accessible to new players). I hate the way Nohr is being handled for this reason:
Let’s imagine that perhaps I’m someone who hasn’t been with FE since it’s infancy. Let’s imagine that I’m a guy whose first FE was Awakening. Now, let’s imagine that as a result Hoshido’s setup appeals to me because of the extra content it offers (I’m hoping its easier difficulty can be offset by actual difficulty modes). So I play the Hoshido campaign for a while and what not, but out of curiousity I decide to also check out the Nohr campaign just for a change of pace. Upon starting the Nohr campaign, I quickly discover that it is dumbed down and restrictive compared to Hoshido, meaning that if I happen to enjoy the freedom of the Hoshido campaign, but perhaps prefer the Nohr characters and units more, then I’m just shit out of luck. Don’t you see the problem there? I’m literally punished for wanting to experience the other side by getting less content (and there’s no 2 ways about it; Nohr has significantly less content than Hoshido as it stands)!
They can talk all they want about how “oh, well to make up for the lost content, Nohr has a more intriguing story”, but that stops being a factor after your first playthrough. Once you know all the twists and turns, “intriguing” is no longer a substitute for missing content when the other campaign very easily offers that missing content. If I want to enjoy Nohr for anything other than its story, I get punished for it. How is that a good design choice, no matter what you think FE should be like?
“The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.”
OK, great, do that and only remove the trash mobs, that’s my only problem, because like I’ve said a 100 times they screw up the resource management. Shit make things like Trial maps, Challenges with predetermined armies, DLC maps and other diversions but make them not consume or augement your resources in the main campaign. Even better make split routes within the split campaign or different versions of the same chapter a la FE7. Make a post game where you can grind a la Sacred Stones. There can be a map in the Nohr version, but again I only don’t want that map to allow me to cap my characters in mission 7 where I can one-shot all enemies with a bronze sword. Sure you want to have that option, but that’s what the Hoshido version’s exists to do.
“Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.”
Then why are you so insistent on maintaining the framework of Awakening? Also looking further in your comment you also assume things of me, don’t be a hypocrite. (Here’s when you’re assuming things of me: “Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects.”)
“Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.”
As I’ve also said, OK this is an assumption, but the fact that the maps makes me think that IS was making the game easier for people to grind and the maps and gameplay style were changed so that half the enemy army could surround you and die. There’s no explicit proof of it. I’m assuming the intentions of the map designers and well is there evidence to contradict my claims?
“I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.”
Ok, great we agree that we’ll always have a different POV on this issue, but this is a franchise were weapons break all the time and your units have a limited amount of equipment they can have. There has to be a resource management element or the series will lose a part of the identity it forged. Same with permadeath and weapon triangle, that is always pushed in promotional materials.
“Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more becauseso many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).”
I meant in general that the design and personality Frederick has clashes with him being able to become a priest. Same with Chrom losing the ability to use swords when well he has 3 exclusive swords for him. Plus again, besides personality, you remember and like characters for what they can and can’t do and if they fit an archetype like Est. Canas is pretty much popular because he’s the only Dark Mage in his game. Awakening removes that with the reclassing. Cherche talking about Minerva all the time even if you reclassed her is just silly.
Second Seals could be left for the post-game. Sure I’ve gotten units maxed out, but there should also exist options that make the game enjoyable for people who want to clear the game the most optimal way possible (Spending funds, Turn counts, Exp gotten, no deaths).
“Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.”
Ok, so why didn’t they put that in Awakening, I would be all over that mode? Apparently, you can’t have a game or mode like that like the Nohr campaign, because IS gets people making baseless complaints about “losing content” or “not being able to grind all day.” They are already giving options to different types of players, hell they are making games for different types of players, but now the more casual fans want to screw over the classic fans. I want the Nohr version to play like FE7 did and expand on all the good things that game did, but oh no, the casual fans who began with Awakening are gonna bitch and moan about it. I’m sure they’ll also blow a fuse if there’s no marriage and children like last game.
It’s like Persona fans moaning about SMT IV because there’s no social links and party members. I’ll enjoy both versions thank you, but at least let me enjoy the fact and have fun with the version tailor made for me.
“So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.”
It’s a long and interesting video but Epic Name Bro nailed it why sometimes options screw games up.
The root is that easier or more lenient options can screw up the themes and message of a game. There should be space for food and music that’s an acquired taste and the same should be true of games. Don’t ask creators to water down their content, and if they do water down their content, heck make Casual players not get a star on their save file or have a lesser ending. MGS 5 handled the Reflex mode perfectly, you get a bonus on your score if you don’t use it.
Why can’t I have a version of a game I want? Seriously Awakening fans sound like Persona fans wanting all games in the franchise to appeal to them and them only.
I just want a game that handles itself like 10 of the 13 previous Fire Emblems. A playthrough that doesn’t allow me to max out my characters before the post game. I wouldn’t mind grinding post game and test myself against a similar mode like the Monster Ruins.
Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mere existence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).
Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.
At no point did I ever suggest that weapons shouldn’t break or that the weapon triangle should disappear. I love the weapon triangle and the fact that individual weapons break (with the exception of plot relevant signature weapons; I’m hoping Yatogami [Kamui’s sword], Marx’s sword, and Ryoma’s sword are infinite just because it would be awkward for them to break and yet continue to be featured in cutscenes). Hell, I want the Anima triangle back as well! I think Casual Mode should stay though, because it was one of the biggest things that allowed Awakening to sell the best of the entire franchise, and we both want FE to continue selling and thus have more games made. Casual Mode is entirely optional, and thus I can’t really agree with any argument that attempts to factor them as “ruining the game” when anyone who doesn’t want it can select Classic, and forget that Casual ever existed (we’ll come back to this later).
Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1” Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).
My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It is missing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story will make up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.
You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.
There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; options expand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for other people as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).
On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.
Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal to more people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.
“Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mereexistence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).”
Sure it is a choice, can’t they give me a choice to not have that option present? Awakening didn’t, so I’ll have for now to assume they won’t give me that option if they include a world map in the Nohr version.
ENB said that the problem with it is that devs either assume that you grinded and balanced accordingly to keep the challenge or they assume you didn’t grind and when you take your grinded units they curbstomp. Like you said, give me a True Classic mode or allow me to turn weapon degradation and EXP for trash mobs. Even better, reward me for doing that for playing the proper way and don’t reward or punish players who do that.
Path of Radiance also presented a good choice for benched units. The BEXP system… which also gave you bonuses for being efficient or fulfilling secondary objectives. They can bring that back.
Hilariously I did do every quest in Xenoblade Chronicles, but it’s a false equivalency. Sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles tend to be harder than the main game, Gaiden chapters in Fire Emblem are rewards for playing well. FE 6 and 7 did this really well. They are taken into account into the rankings of those games.
“Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.”
I’d make them like FE 6-9 managed. It seems a little silly that Lon’qu who dislikes women can support with more women than man and can’t support Basilio and Flavia… Hell those two can’t support themselves. As I’ve said they can keep the map, the problem always comes around to… does the world map give me an easy way out of the game’s challenge? Not having that pressure for me lessens the experience and sense of achievement, especially if I had to resort to grinding.
“Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1″ Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).”
This is a nice solution. Nothing to complain here and sorry if I understood you wrong.
“My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It ismissing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story willmake up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.”
Why not try the Nohr version if you like the units battle? do you know if the third path will allow you to choice which units do you want? Freedom and choice aren’t always good in video games. Some of the best games are cinematic and linear and offer little choice. You can get the version that suits your needs.
How do you know Nohr is “gimped”? Do you know how they’re handling the side content in Nohr? What if there’s more replay value if they add alternate versons maps, different endings, Challenges, side chapters and other routes into it?
You don’t think that putting restrictions into a player’s game is a conscious decision by the makers of the game? You don’t think a better experience can be achieved if they balance the game to always put pressure on you?
All of this seems to stem from your hatred of limitations in games. Without limitations genres like survival horror lose their impact, luster and sense of achievement.
“You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.”
This is hypotethical what if Nohr has 10 more chapters than Hoshido? Are you getting your money’s worth? What if the structure of Nohr allows for more replay value?
“There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; optionsexpand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for otherpeople as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).”
Not all games are made for everyone, I hate it when devs dumb down a franchise to appeal to more people. Awakening’s concessions to classic players watered down the game. Lunatic mode you have only two options: Either only use Fem!Robin and Chrom if you don’t want to grind or grind to get gameplay similar to the other games.
To paraphrase the video:
“The thing is that this statement that you need always control over the game is arrogant and close-minded and conceited, because it assumes that you know everything about fun and the devs can’t teach you anything new. Tastes can change. I don’t think you know everything fun. I want the devs to tell me what is fun. That’s why you vary your tastes in games and music for example. They don’t all need to be the same and have the same options. Give yourself a chance to experience something new.”
“On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.”
Sure but the last few FE games have abandoned that type of customization, again go back to the solutions they had for Lunatic: Either grind or cheese the game. This is what has Veteran players (not myself necessarily) angry, they’ve been pushing the casual angle too much and form half-baked concessions to the Veterans.
“Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal tomore people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.”
Oh please don’t play the victim and straw man my argument. Putting more options isn’t always the best solution for the game or the player. Restrictions, linearity can be the point of a game, they can force the player to be more careful or creative in their approaches.
I am only asking for a “True Classic” mode. I’ve also given some suggestions (re-adding BEXP, Rankings, Punishing or not rewarding players who choose casual or grind). Rankings can push more casual players to try the harder and more traditional modes.
You assume Nohr will be lesser for some hypothetical reason. the game’s not out, again what if it has way more missions or side missions or Trial Maps or has the Ranking system?
The hardcore FE fans are more likely pissed because they have a valid reasoning to why Options & Freedom > Good, Well balanced and considered game balance.
“It’s my way or the high way” also seems incredibly dogmatic and restrictive. Not all games have to appeal to all human beings, like linear level design, it’s a tool for the developers to make the art they want.
You would be clamoring for games that treat the games like babies, for example adding a Easy mode to Dark souls, when the whole point of the game is to “Prepare to die” and any sense of accomplishment is gone if you know you have an easy way out. Even worse, would you be in favor of games that remove all the gameplay like what Bioware was attempting? You don’t think the gameplay would suffer if they implemented that.
Also, Human beings are elitist, some people like to feel better because they can do something others can’t. Rankings and True Classic Mode would be a great way to satiate the elitist Fire Emblem fans.
To quote ENB once again:
“The addition of an easy mode would detract from the experience of a game like Dark Souls. The possibility of failure is exactly what makes victory rewarding. Adding easy outs for the player to reduce the risk of failure lessens the experience for everyone- not just the people who use it.
Some people believe that they should have absolute control over the media they consume. Some people don’t. I DO care about what I can learn from a game. There are in fact plenty of games that allow you to enjoy them on your own terms, but this one doesn’t. And that is not a flaw of the game- it’s a feature. You have to adapt to the game, or you don’t get rewarded. You either get it, or you don’t.
This is not an interactive movie with a foregone conclusion. It’s a FUNDAMENTALLY different experience. If you want a title that caters to your whims, you are looking in the wrong place. One major reason why people love this game is BECAUSE it doesn’t hand you anything in a menu. You wanna see the end boss? Either get good or summon someone who is.”
Just a minor issue but the “trading card game” tab doesn’t have a link to the cipher cards.
Will there be a seperate board for just discussing FE TCG whether its the old one or the new one coming out?
HOLY MOLY the one with Cherche looks so good…
So I just purchased 2 each of the starter decks, I assume they are the same cards in them? Then Two Booster Boxes of the Hero Swords along with Anya Kingdom Game. Can’t wait to see what I get.
Same here. I just hope there are not too many duplicates per box.
The Starter Decks I have a feeling they are the same cards. A friend asked me to order a pair of starter decks. (I have a feeling Chrom, Masked Lucina, Tharja and Cherche are in there) so I think they should have the same cards in it. It is a “Starter” Deck after all.
As for the Booster Box, of course there is a chance of doubles. 16 Booster Packs – 10 cards each = 160 cards in total. I’ll see how it goes when I get the cards.
I’m pretty certain about the starter deck being the same but I did buy two of the starter decks with Chrom and the awakening characters just for the hell of it.
Hey VincentASM! Are you ordering any of the cards?
Good to see that HACCAN has been commissioned to do some of the artwork.
hi admin, can you help me? i have logged in to sereneforum and but keep getting this error. What should i do to post something there? 🙁
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I hope America decides to just put the game in one version. The third campaign as DLC I can deal with, though i’d prefer it to be included from the get-go as well. Even though I love the box art for the two versions, I don’t want two versions. I can deal with it in Pokemon since story never been important and there’s never been a big difference between a game and it’s counterpart in the series, but this game is very story focused and two versions will pull apart and detract from the experience.
Still, love the boxart, so can we have a reversible cover for this game Nintendo? (Assuming NA gets it all in one version)
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“Fire Emblem if will feature DLC characters, accessible from download codes bundled with special packs of the TCG.”This troubles me…does that mean that the only way to obtain these characters will be from the TCG?Or will there also be standalone dlc in the nintendo e-shop?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they used amiibo cards internationally.
Presumably NoA and NoE would just sell them for money.
The art is godly and I’m definitively interested in the game itself, but I’m hoping they’ll do a more complete rule presentation sometime. I’d like to see a complete match or rule explanation: I won’t go collecting these cards (if they were in English, maybe) but I’d be willing to play a few matches of this with the starter decks for sure!
Thank you!
Thank you for the analysis! I really hope they keep the marriage and Japanese audio option in…
If they have a card of Stahl/Soru, I will be so happy and die in peace. :3
They do. Check out the rescent post about the card game play and click the Dengeki link to see it.
The cards are badass
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“Thanks to the inclusion of Binding Blade’s Roy in the international release of Super Smash Bros. Melee”
Aren’t you forgetting someone?
Yes, yes, and Marphy too… (he needs to be in a better internationally released game… what am I saying!?!)
Thanks. I was mainly trying to tie Binding Blade and Melee in my head and forgot him for a moment : P
Now that the series has been saved, hopefully they’ll move away from the simplicity and general “un-FEness” of Awakening. I personally feel that game was more 75% generic fantasy anime and only 25% Fire Emblem. Which is probably why it did so well in sales in both Japan and in the west. With them splitting FE14 into two (or three) games, hopefully they can make it so White is the casual game like Awakening is and make Black the more complex, TRUE FE game. Something similar in complexity to the Jugdral games, or hopefully as complex as the Tellius games.
Happy 25th, FE!! Stay alive so we can have another 25 years (though the series jumping the shark sometime in the future may or may not be a fate worse than death– No, Awakening did not jump the shark, per se…)
“the series found itself in a downward spiral of sales, leading to Heroes of Light and Shadow being the first game in the series to skip the Western market.”
Might want to put “the first game in the series to skip the Western market, since.” Obviously all the games skipped the Western market until FE7.
Heroes of Light and Shadow is one of my favorites.
Haha, I wasn’t sure how people would read that. I’ve thought of how to fix that now.
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Is Ike supposed to be 6’8″?!? (203cm)
Ike is huge. XD He has to be, to wield that stupid giant sword.
Thank you for everything that you do for the FE community. We appreciate it!
Happy 25th Anniversary!!! I ended up pIaying FE1 today in its honor.
Very happy I got into the this series back in 2011.
My collection is still incomplete, and I haven’t really finished displaying everything yet, but since it’s time for celebration I thought I should share too!
This is my pride and joy, and took me several years of hard work, but it was worth every penny so far!
http://imgur.com/a/8WbCA#0
how much money have you spent on that ? i need to know tks. ^^
it would be nice if someone will good photoshop skills would colour this drawing.
Your first problem is that you need to seperate the color layer from the original lineart to color it. I’m not very good, but I could give it a shot. ^^
Like so: http://puu.sh/hmpxl/6e191a8fde.jpg Have fun. (The color is gone for the text. If I had time, I could prevent that, but… I’m being lazy~) Open that in something like Gimp, and it /should/ be transparent. If it isn’t, just look up a tutorial.
Why did they include Lucina and Ephraim, but they left out Celice? Celice deserves some love.
Jugdral has two characters shown, if anything Alm and Celica should be there.
I’ve been keeping up with this for a few months, and I wanna thank you for keeping up with it. Top notch job!
WHERE IS ALM
Honestly, reading the analysis, the SMT side of the analysis was definitely a bit off. The poppy, anime-influenced tone of the game is reasonably similar to the Persona and Devil Survivor games (both of which are spinoffs of SMT), but the core SMT games aren’t like this at all. Hell, the “Genei Ibunroku #FE” title is pretty similar to the Japanese title of the first Persona game, “Megami Ibunroku Persona.” And the battle system, from what we’ve seen of it, seems to be its own thing – none of the SMT games used a system like this game’s, even if they were turn-based. Honestly, the only SMT references I noticed were Atlus mascot Jack Frost appearing in a poster in the background, and the return of the Strike/Pierce/Slash attack types in a Fire Emblem-style triangle.
I mean, I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the game itself will be good, but it’s doing a pretty horrible job as a crossover – it feels more like they just made an entirely new game with Fire Emblem themes. They could’ve avoided a lot of fuss if they’d described it as “an Atlus/Intelligent Systems collaboration” rather than setting it up as a crossover.
Wow, I didn’t know there were so many FE games in the eshop.
When are they going to localize them VC games!! DX
“The Nohr campaign features diverse victory conditions”
Ohhhhhhhhhhh Myyyyyyyyyyyy Gooooooooooood!
… But does that mean the Hoshido part dosen’t have win conditions outside of “Kill Everything” like in Awakening? I mean I wanted Nohr ever since I read that it plays more like a classic FE but if the Hoshido part won’t have different winning conditions it’ll be kind of disappointing. Hahaha…
I get the feeling IS is basically making two games for two purposes:
Hoshido for the casual gamer, to be a financial success like Awakening;
Nohr for the ancients, the veterans, who hark from past eras of blood, sweat and tears.
And the neither side one is for those that just want to fall flat on their faces. XD
*victory dance* (https://i.minus.com/iyEab4BrbK11a.gif)
Aghhhhhhhhhhh! so much excite!
So my wish came true, amiibo support. I really really hope Captain Falcon is compatibel with this game (For reference sake, look at the Smash 4 reveal trailer for Lucina)
Lol, can we expect some incest then? But seriously, I hope this means that the story is good (not that higher rating=better story).
Funny thing: Genealogy has an A (Everyone) rating in Japan. Clearly incest isn’t a big issue over there : P
PG 15 it´s really good, so we can expect a more “mature” and dense history ??
About the amiibo, its kinda obvious, but i really hope a far better work in DLC chars. I almost cried when i saw my beloved Lyn in FE awakening
If only they had skins for a plain old 3DS…. *sigh*
I just hope it isn’t rated M in America.
Not really sure if that would be good for sales.
But I really wonder why the rating increase. I imagine it won’t be for blood (Awakening didn’t have any and I’m sure this won’t either) and the violence is probably going to be the same as Awakening.
It could be that there are darker moments or that there are more characters with a design like Camilla.
I don’t know. Camilla’s design isn’t really much worse than many things we saw in Awakening. Heck, I’d consider Aversa’s to be more suggestive than Camilla’s.
Yeah. However, as I said in the other half of the sentence, this story can be the darkest so far out of the Fire Emblem games. I suppose we won’t know until it comes out, but it might have to do with the fact that you might kill your little brothers and sisters. (Mainly the sisters.)
That’s not likely to happen.
M requires any one of the following:
Extensive and Gratuitous Swearing (Not “Damn” or “Hell” either, we’re talking words that rhyme with “Tuck” or “Hit”).
Sex (and not jokes either. Think Mass Effect or Dragon Age) Games rated T can have cleavage/thigh/bared midriff (See Hyrule Warriors) and still be T.
Extensive Blood/violence/gore (Again, think Mass Effect, Dragon Age or Skyrim). Games rated T can have blood (See StarCraft and Warcraft) but it has to be far more persistent and not just blood to hit M territory (see Diablo series)
Something tells me we’re not in danger of seeing the game rated M. It will likely be T with a few more descriptors in the ESRB box.
Woo! Only $200! I can afford that! *opens wallet* … *moths fly out*…
The 15+ is probably due to the fact that it’s similar to FE:A, but it may have a bit of blood, it looks like some parts of it will be really dark (especially the Nohr side) and the mental trauma of trying to keep all of your units alive~ X3
hardly traumatic with Phoenix mode haha
X3 Even the mightest will fall on super-easy mode when you hit a heartbreaking chapter. (Which I have a feel that there will be a lot of.)
Hey . . . there are some characters on the ends there that we haven’t seen before! That white-haired well-dressed guy and that older-looking purple-haired man . . . I don’t remember seeing them before.
Imagine if they released a new wave of amiibo exclusive to fire emblem if! That would actually make me buy them for once!!! (plus Sakura amiibo would be adorable!!!)
I saw an amiibo of female Kamui here
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/11193148_1662467383976741_1470417904_n.jpg
I tried to find it’s relevant log but I couldn’t find it on that cluttered nightmare of a site.
What makes it a “fan” game? Isn’t he just making a strategy RPG?
Sorry, my wording was slightly off. He is making a “doujin”/indie game; I was tired and went with a different meaning.
in the case somebody wonders where his email is, below is it
infzeek [AT] mist [DOT] dti [DOT] ne [DOT] jp
Thanks, but I think the man wants to avoid spam, so I’ve edited your message a bit.
omg …. the Limited version from this Single seems awesome
CD + DVD with MVs
Aqua´s storyboard replica with character design *-*
I wonder if they have a card for rufure/robin(the avatar in awakening )?
Well looks like I’m buying Nohr
Unfortunately I didn’t get any pics either, but I can definitely confirm there are retail displays for If in multiple locations in Tokyo, notably several SoftMap stores, where you can also preorder a 3DS LL console with an If design.
@VincentASM and everyone else out there: Don’t know if you have found this one yet, but if not, definitely worth a readtrough.
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/05/12/fire-emblem-if-adds-easier-modes-and-no-longer-has-limited-weapon-usage/
We did not… no, we can not have… no way.
Are you the avatar from Lucina’s future or something?
Hmm, interesting facts about the character classes.
So more dragon worshipping. Though it looks like they worship the same thing unlike Awakening.
Hyper casual mode! I find that really funny.
The phoenix mode seems very silly, as if casual+easy was still too hard for ppl (and if it is then maybe they shouldn’t play these games).
I’m going to be brutally honest: if normal/casual was too hard for you in Awakening, you shouldn’t be playing videogames.
I’m going to be brutally honest with you: if you care that much about how other people play video games, you shouldn’t be playing video games
I just don’t see a reason for Phoenix mode to exist. WHO has actually said that normal/casual was too hard? The mode just seems pointless.
Then you don’t have to use it
I just fail to see the reason for its existence.
Hey little prick, you saying my son, who is 9 years old, incompetent? The game was hard for someone like him but your ugly think that he is stupid? Do yourself a favor and stop limiting yourself only to your ugly ass.
Your 9 year old son should not be playing video games especially not Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is not a kids game. Be a responsible parent. People like you are the reason we don’t have nice things.
Dude, there’s no age in Fire Emblem! How old are you to believe that?
Compared to a similar game called Super Robot Wars, Fire Emblem had a LOT less innuendos. They both have the same age rating (Teen), and there were barely any in the first few Fire Emblem games. Super Robot Wars, however, was dropping them AT LEAST every other chapter. I didn’t understand them at the time, AS I WAS 5 when I played the game for the first time.
Are you being serious right now? Have you seen kids playing games like COD? I guess not because having my kids playing something other than COD is better.
I don’t think the target audience is 9 year olds. I’m saying that Phoenix mode really just came out of left field, and will attract minimal new fans or sales (if anything, it will become a ridicule point).
I started playing fire emblem before I was 9.. It isn’t an age specific game. I’m 21 and still love them. I mean yea Phoenix mode sounds ridiculously easy but what is the point in hating on it? Some people like more of a challenge than other do.
Lunatic+. even on casual, lunatic+ is a pain in awakening. and assuming it comes back, i might just use phoenix mode on it on my first playthrough through lunatic+… i dont think its confirmed to be back yet, but lunatic has.
Yeah how dare people not like a feature in a game, they must be demonized, mistreated and called salty whiners. This feature is going in everyone’s copy whether they like it or not. If you dare have the opinion (and it is an valid opinion, even if it’s regarding an option) that the game is lesser because it offers you options that remove pressure and sense of accomplishment. By the way, yes it does, even when you’re playing on super hardcore ultra super no casuals mode and you’re having your ass kicked, your first thought is… man I may want to lower the difficulty or if I was playing easy Mode I wouldn’t have so much trouble.
I would say that it’s a valid opinion to have that difficulty select screen are basically implanting the idea that you’re going or can complete the game, you’re just choosing how frustrating it will end up being. Not having a difficulty select option can be a feature for players, because it makes them uncertain if they can or will ever complete the game, making them more immersed and focused on the game. It’s the appeal of games like Nethack or any roguelike.
To paraphrase a wiser man than myself:
“When players say easy mode cheapens the game that’s what they mean it reduces the risk of failure which is an important tool the dev uses for having a sense of accomplishment so when a player player says even having the options cheapens the game, that’s what they mean. the risk of failure is not the same. If you put the easy way out it goes into everyone’s copy. “
Also all they’ve shown so far is how simplified the game is, so when are the features that appeal to the older fans gonna be shown, if they exist at all. The point of the versions was to have various flavors of Fire Emblem, hopefully they will show they care about the old fans soon or it will get frustrating.
I’m going to be brutally honest with you: if you care that much about
how other people play video games, you shouldn’t be playing video games
This changes affect players emotionally. It’s not entirely rational.
– People like to brag about things they can do others can do, if your friends.
– This is going into everyone’s copy.
– People like feeling like they’re between a rock and a hard place, having a way out affects them. Sure they can have self-control and not choose the easy mode. I still feel like it’s unnecessary annoyance that is present in the back of your mind, I’ve had this personally happen to me in some games, but rarely take the temptation.
– Difficulty select screens feels like, choose your victory for many players. I’ve never had that, but I think it’s a valid grievance. Some people like to be unsure if they’ll be able to clear the game.
– This doesn’t necessarily apply to Fire Emblem. It applies to genres like Roguelikes and horror games more.
– This doesn’t apply to me. It just ticks me off that people with valid feelings and grievances, even if they are partially irrational are demonized.
– If this was free day-one DLC few would have a problem.
So no, people don’t care how other people play game, people care about how their experience may be adversely affected. For the third time, it’s a valid way to feel about things, although not 100% rational.
Yeah how dare people like added features in a game, they must be demonized, mocked and called salty casuals who aren’t handsome hardcore Fire Emblemers like ME… I mean us.
Dude I love games like Kirby’s Epic Yarn. I personally don’t care, but I dislike it that people are being mean to people with valid complaints about the difficulty and am trying to explain why they may feel that way.
In quite the ‘shove in your face because I’m important’ way. I understand your point, but seriously. Mocking? EVERY FREAKING SERIES ADDS SOMETHING NEW. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. And seriously: Casual was a major part of why people bought Awakening. Awakening saved the Fire Emblem franchise. Think about it before shoving your hard-boiled ‘ideas’ down people’s throats.
You really can’t expect games to be THAT perfect, can you? You never have to click that feature, and I’m sure that once you get the game and start playing it you’ll forget all about Phoenix Mode. If you’re seriously tempted to switch to a lower difficulty… do you have no willpower at all?
How many people do you think were attracted to Fire Emblem: Awakening because of Lunatic+ mode? I’d wager very few — less than the amount of custom generated by Phoenix Mode at least. Hell, how many people who bought Fire Emblem: Awakening do you think actually BEAT Lunatic+? Games shouldn’t cater to you, they should cater to everyone.
You don’t know what I’m thinking so how can you be sure that I’ll stop thinking of Phoenix/Casual Moce. Especially when you can lower it permanently if you fail. I do have willpower to not choose it, I never chose Causal mode in Awkening, even when playing in lunatic. It’s more of Navi nagging me about stuff in Ocarina of Time.
It’s knowing that even if I never touch it or use it I have a way out and not feel like I’m between a rock and a hard place. When I die in awakening, particularly my Lunatic playthrough, casual was the first thing that came too mind and I just shrugged it off. Ideally, I should’ve been thinking of how to do better next time.
For me having a difficulty select screen says that the game can be cleared and you’re choosing how hard the rock and hard place is. Roguelikes don’t give a fuck. They’ve been having a resurgence because of people getting tired of games being made with the purpose of being cleared. Hell, Super Mario Bros. also didn’t care, yet is still fun and no one complains about the lack of easy mode there.
I played Fire Emblem because the permadeath, breakable weapons and characters that managed a single role. That sounded cool when Fire Emblem 7 came out and I was 11, so I bought it. Note that all these features have been made optional or removed.
Similarly I bought the Europa Universalis Games not because of how casual they sounded, but because they seemed complex and willing to respect the dedicated player. Not because it has casual mode or “you can’t lose mode.” The difficulty or lack of options can be a selling point. I know this because that’s why I bought Fire Emblem 7.
Catering to everyone is a pointless endeavor and you end up with washed up video games like Resident Evil 6, Clash of Clans and Candy Crush. Catering to everyone is catering to nobody. It’s just bland and safe entertainment.
There are people who will hate Fire Emblem no matter what and catering to them is pointless. Still, it seems that IS is more concerned with them than their old fans like me who will still buy the product no matter what, that’s a little sad.
It stills disgusts me the treatment that people receive that when something that affects their enjoyment of the game negatively are treated with bile, disrespect, and condescension. Sorry it affects them, I don’t think they’re good at expressing it, but it’s similar to how I feel.
I feel more immersed because well it’s not gonna get easier, so I better pay attention, I also have to learn all the mechanics and systems, because well, if not I’m gonna get my ass kicked and lose, and there’s no way out of it. Every decision counts more, each turn is more nerve wracking, each advantage you manage to gain is more significant because again, there’s no way out. Even if I never turn the mode out or give it a glance it still is in the back of my mind when I lose, get frustrated or can’t think of anything else.
Plus human beings in general like to brag about things they do that others can’t and sure you may be more skilled and reach a secret mission on Lunatic and feel more accomplished than if another person did it on Phoenix mode. Still the way to be really accomplished s if the other player never even sees it. It’s selfish and greedy, but hey that’s why some people do X things in video games. I can brag about doing all the sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles but would feel less accomplished if people did them with less effort on an easier difficulty setting.
Also pretty crappy that playing on the harder difficulties isn’t incentivized by IS, you’d think they’d want people to but apparently they want to coddle their players into barely learning to play the game optimally or with challenge.
I’d do with a glowing save file, rank system, achievement or trophy I can brag about to people. Anything that makes Is take note of my achievement instead of not caring how people play their game or what they managed to accomplish in it. Because I think that screwed up Awakening.
Your twin visions are equally useless.
Nobody’s right or false at this subject because it’s just an idiotic confrontation of opinions. However, something has to be say : considering video games like something else than pure entertainment is not bad and letting this media to become casual won’t be good for everyone in the future.
As others said, phoenix mode has no sense other than in lunatic (or lunatic+) difficulty; that is all. If someone needs phoenix mode to play fire emblem, this is nonsense (without saying a word about the spirit of the game, which could be discussed, I admit). Graphics, music, story aren’t the only thing that define a video game; there is the gameplay too. And the gameplay of this game in particular can only be apprehend with a certain degree of difficulty, a frustration, a mass of reflexion and a strategy. Without these elements, we don’t play the same game.
I don’t mind people who want to play with no frustration at all, but they could ask to themselves if they have chosen the appropriate game… In that way of thinking, The Danman has the right to defend the game and the media. It’s to casual people to adapt to the players who think video game is as serious as the cinema. In fact they have the right to apprehend the game in their way; not to depreciate the media because their way of playing.
No one said that they have to use casual or phoenix mode on only normal difficulty. Consider the difference in strategy for something like: phoenix/lunatic+.
EDIT: oh, now they have confirmed that phoenix mode is only for normal mode… lame.
Hey, if *Bunny-Phoenix-Slope-Mode* increases sales and keeps Fire Emblem alive for a few more years (or a decade even), I’m all for it.
As long as they don’t take away Classic Mode, I don’t think it’s really a problem (now if they did then that’d be something to get angry about).
…Of course I won’t ever use *Bunny-Slope-Mode*… (unless they have a secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++! Mode in which you fight Fomortiis, Grima, Nerge, and a Family-Sized Starship on the first chapter… then I’d consider it.)
And the Endgame of Secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++!, wanna take a guess? ALL Past Fire Emblem characters. Maxed-out stats, all with Limit Breaker. (That means HUNDREDS of enemies! Oh JOY!)
Don’t forget the thousands of generics you have to get through on that chapter before you get the *privilege* of fighting the characters who have a name and mugshot. And at the start of every player phase all your units’ HP is reduced to 1 and at the start of every enemy phase 8 generics all warp to surround your units with max’d out stats, limit breaker, and the LOLUDIEDEDLOSER skill equipped. Also, because of LOL, such skills as Sol, Counter, and any other skills remotely useful in a masochistic torture fest (such as this mode) suddenly disappear from your units’ skill slots.
XD
Presumably Phoenix mode will be openly labeled just like the settings in Awakening, allowing you to point and laugh at people.
As a fan of Genealogy’s reforging, I honestly don’t mind the infinite use weapons one bit.
I just wish they could have had kept a smithy, to keep a similar level of complexity like where to focus funds that way. Holy War did it fine since gold wasn’t pooled, the battles were long, and the weapon ranks were fixed.
This makes me even more sure that Aqua won’t be a traditional dancer, but rather some kind of Dancer/Lancer/Lord Class. Seeing as the Avatar is a Dark Prince/Princess (Manakete/Sword/Lord), Wouldnt it make sense for Aqua to be a similar mix of classes, if she is designed to be Kamui’s foil? (Perhaps they’ll even go as far as calling her Light Princess?)
Well, Olivia wasn’t a traditional dancer either, seeing as she could use a sword. Units who can’t fight in a FE may (or may not) be a thing of the past…
Sylvia and Feena could use swords.
Do we happen to know the default name of the My Unit this time?
is Kamui
So i guess people are going to joke about phoenix mode like lunatic+ mode
I suppose I have mixed feelings about unbreakable weapons. On one hand, a unique bit of FE strategy has passed (“Don’t use the Rapier because we may need it later!!”)… but, on the other hand (provided Weapon Forging returns), forging Alm’s Blade or whatever other neat assorted weapons we’d get to play with isn’t a total waste of time!
On a related note, the weapon durability system was nearly completely broken in Awakening seeing as you could basically buy Hammerne staves from a shop towards the end of the game (a randomly generated Secret Shop, but a shop just the same)… not to mention just how many other things you could horde with the right DLC…. *Edit because I just remembered* AND the restocky-thingy too…
As for Phoenix Mode, I’m just grateful they only added it and didn’t take away Classic Mode.
Normally I might be confused at the utility of Phoenix Mode… Easy Casual was pretty hard to die in intentionally… but then I realized.
Lunatic+
You know, Luna+ & Absolute Hit with a Hammer mode on poor Fredrick? I’m pretty sure we could all still manage to loose spectacularly in that mode assuming that it’s still Game Over for the Lord and other important characters.
So aqua is your adopted sister?
Don’t think so, I think you were raised in Nohr and she was raised in Hoshido, so you probably didn’t know each other
Sorta… If this information is right then you and her basically switched places, but in the end she chooses the same family as you. Which might mean she is your adopted sister, but I doubt they will actually classify it as such in game and you will probably be able to marry her(if marriage is in) since she is neither your blood sister and you weren’t raised with her as siblings.
“This particular detail hasn’t been confirmed, but it seems the
blue-haired songstress, Aqua, may be in a similar but reverse position
as the Avatar. According to reports, she is the princess of Nohr taken
prisoner by Hoshido.”
Hoping this gets confirmed ‘cuz I’m just laughing in my chair right now and will laugh all the way through all Mandark style if it is. Peace loving Hoshido my butt!
Also nine save files. They know what’s up.
Y’know, Phoenix mode sounds dumb but it offers a new way to play the game.
Like having a playthrough in which your goal is to beat the chapters while killing off all of your army as much as possible. Then we all share our records.
So, these are just leaks right? Does this mean you might be able to get more info when the issue actually comes out?
Yes, hopefully : )
There is an interview in this week’s issue too.
Still no option to change skin color, I see. :/
Anyway, Phoenix Mode sounds silly, but then again it’s not aimed at players like me. Anyone who actually ridicules others for picking Phoenix Mode is just a dick.
It wouldn’t really work for this game since you have to look at least somewhat like your four siblings. Hopefully the next game with an Avatar allows you to pick skin color.
Still not likely. How many people with tan-dark skin do you see in Japan?
A lot of Asians are tan, actually (myself included). Tan Asians just aren’t as well-represented in Asian media because white skin is considered attractive in most East Asian countries.
Not sure how to feel about the whole “no durability on weapons” thing. I’m sure it’s something I’ll get used to. As for the Phoenix Mode, I don’t see why not? It’s just a silly thing for people to play with. If you don’t want it, stick to classic. I think the more options people have, the better. Overall, still really looking forward to this game!
If you’re playing Fire Emblem casual mode you are not playing Fire Emblem, you are playing Noob Emblem.
Nah. Maybe you just want to enjoy the fun gameplay without the worries. What’s wrong in that?
You can enjoy it while playing it the way it was made to be played.
The Phonix mode is AN OPTION !!
If u dont like, dont choose it, Its very simple. People really feel ashamed cause the game can be finished by casual players ??
This Phonix mode will make FE a more friendish game, and more people will come to like it. More popularity more games. Or these people didn’t know that the franchise was about to be discontinued by nintendo cause Fire emblem it wasn’t selling as they expected ??
the weapons durability was a nice system, but on the other hand, it´s suks to not use a cool-motherfuker-godlike weapon cause u dont want to break it (yea FE is dificult enough to make u use them), with this mode we all could enjoy a nice weapon at our content. it may be a nice implement (or not)!!
Seems like the unbreakable weapons thing will make it less of a challenge. I can see it working for legendary weapons, but not normal ones.
See when I first heard that the avatars dragonstone could not break I thought it would just be like that for certain items. I thought beast and dragon stones having a durability to be ridiculous. The +stones yeah I can see why, maybe not tikis but whatever. I also thought it weird you can buy them. Like Nah brings up to Cynthia that dragonstones are rare a precious and should be wasted on dumb things like looking like a bad ass. Like Nah, Ive got leaif blades, Inigo with rightful king, AND he has despoil. We have infinite money right there.
I wish regular weapons had durability still though. It added a point of strategy and made for some tense moments trying to get Chrom or someone over to a unit to give them a new weapon if theirs broke.
I agree with that, ’cause dealing with dragonstones has ALWAYS been a real pain. At least the Falchion was unbreakable…….
Gaiden had Unbreakable Weapons too, ya know.
(Edit: Alm is from Gaiden. Because some people don’t know which game he’s from)
Well, I can get why they rolled with Phoenix Mode and they’re not wrong per say. But people shouldn’t be afraid to challenge new things just because it seems a little daunting. They may end up liking it more than they thought.
Well, that’s just my take. More power to the devs and for those who go down this path. Classic Hard is always the way for me.
“With those hot topics behind us for now, there was a spicy rumour about the heroine, Aqua, which we can now confirm to be true.
Similar to the Avatar, Aqua was originally the princess of Nohr, taken
prisoner by Hoshido. The circumstances of her capture are unknown, but
it does raise a lot of questions.”
…Now if you’ll excuse me… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiGIQrt1IaE
Hoshido or Nhor ?? damn you Intelligent system, i never was as happy as pissed with a choice :v
i loved the Nohr’s royal family, but i want to protect Kamui’s hometown. It’s a a fuking dificult choice but i’ll probably chose Nhor and change the kingdom from inside.
Which side will you guys take ?
Currently planning on choosing Nohr, though it’s not like I’m in a rush.
Got all the way until 2016 to figure it out (grumble gumble)….
are roy and marth in this game?
This troll right here…
Yes they are, but you have to make them yourself. :3
So… I still don’t have something perfectly clear. Both campaigns are available in ONE game, right? it’s not going to be something like Pokemon where you have to chose a specific version of the game (FE if: Hoshido or FE if: Nohr), RIGHT?
That question has multiple answers:
In Japan, it’s being sold in two versions, plus a limited edition (that’s sold out) with both versions on-cart, plus a download code for the third campaign.
NOA however presented it as an in-game choice, so I don’t know.
Ditto with NOE, though there’s something that makes it seem like they’ll do multiple versions.
My best guess as to our silver-haired mystery man’s name is Aquinas (アキナス). キ and ス are visible, and then out of the letters with those bottoms, ア and ナ are the most probable, thus Aquinas.
The other new unit names are Suzukaze and Elfie.
“…while others may be extremely powerful, but difficult to attack twice
with.”
Interesting… so they’ll abolish durability but bring back weapon weight maybe??
More like weapons having straight up stat buffs/debuffs. For example:
https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/gallery/april-2015-nintendo-direct/nohr5.jpg
Note the two green stats and the red stat. It’s quite possible that Yatogami buffed the green stats while it de-buffed the red stat, and the colors denote it.
Interesting… I guess I’ll have to actually play the game in order to wrap my head around how that would actually work. XD
Also, I guess dragonstones have a weapon rank now? (Probably already been noted… oh well…)
Oops, double posted. Sorry!
I was wondering if you could possibly get a larger scan or screenshot of the Nohr family like you did with the Hoshido? Unless you got it from another source, in which case, sorry for bothering you.
Edit: whoa, why aren’t my comments showing up on the list…
What are they doing to the by many beloved FE formula 🙁
I mean, I would still buy the game. I am going to buy it no matter what.
But major changes like this are. not. necessary.
yeah idk this seems like a bit too much, guess we’ll have to wait and see
It makes it more interesting, so older fans do not get bored.
They’re making things easier for casuals, while attempting to appeal to old fans but inserting artificial complexity.
Honestly I think these changes are hilarious and unnecessary. They feel like an afterthought.
Will still get the game though. Just doesn’t feel like this will be Fire Emblem.
Sounds like you just don’t like change in general. Aside from Phoenix mode, nothing is making the game “easier”. Honestly the new way of handling weapons brings a lot more stategic elements rather than the tedious item management of old.
It’s true the changes are not necessary, but having played all the games in the series up to now, I’m welcome to change. In my opinion, it’s better for the series to change and improve, rather than stay the same. Otherwise, I may as well play the older games.
Exactly because we are all gonna buy it anyway after Awakening is why this is an easy time for experimentation. I’m expecting some of these changes to return in later games, others not. It all depends how well they all work
can someone put higher resolution for the first scan?
Wait for famitsu article on 21.
They always do that: put picture for ants for tease first and later update it
New classes !! Maybe these are IF´s only classes, but i really love new classes.
Great Butler is obviously Buttler advanced class, im really loking into Maid´s and Ninja´s advanced ones.
That was actually an error. Gunther’s class is Great Knight instead.
is that so ??
hahah … its make sense
“He was a butler… no a Great Butler!!” (And the Jeigen)
So, does anyone know if that -2 to Str and Skl on Silver Weapons is cumulative? Like, do you reduce them after each attack, until you’re whittled down into dealing no damage? Because that’ll make them pretty bad for chokepoints, which, I admit, would be a shake-up to established tactics.
It says there that it is until next turn, so most likely it will just be restore at the end of the turn, you use it, you get the -2 leaving you vulnerable during the enemy phase, on your next phase you should have the Str and Skl again on normal.
I know it’ll be restored at the end of the turn. What I’m asking, is if you kill a guy, then another guy comes up to you and you kill him, does that mean that you’re down to -4 Str until the next turn? So that if more and more enemies throw themselves on you, that you’re Str gets worse and worse until you can’t hurt anything until the next turn?
Because that just kills choke point potential, which has been one of the main tactics for FE for a long, LONG time.
Wow, I actually did not think of it that way. Well, with the few information we have I’d assume that it would work that way, probably the it is only after you use the “attack” command, if so, no reductions should be done when being attacked. Hopefully this will get clarified once we have the full article translated or newer articles.
This assumes there will be choke points at all. Do we know if the maps are designed any better than Awakening? Although I guess being reduced to 0 damage in the middle of a wide, open field would also suck.
Don’t use Silver weapons at choke points then. I think that’s the point of this new system: some weapons are useful in certain situations but completely ill-suited in others. We have to determine which is the most suitable on our own.
I personally don’t think the debuffs would be accumulative though, I imagine it would be just once. But we’ll have to see…
To me it clearly means that every time you use it, your Str and Skl are reduced by 2. At the end of your turn they are back to normal, and then the next time you use it again they are reduced by 2 back to -2.
What I’m more interested to know is whether attacking with a silver sword twice in one fight will reduce it by 4, and whether, presuming something like Galeforce returns, using it 4 times in one turn (twice in two fights) will reduce by 8. It could get rather crippling, and I’m not sure if I like it or not yet.
I doubt it, I have a feeling the negative stats mentioned are applied when you EQUIP the weapon, not every time you use it.
Take another look.
Silver Sword: Critical Evade -5; AFTER USING, Strength and Skill -2 UNTIL NEXT TURN
Brave Sword: Allows 2 consecutive attacks, Defence and Resistance -4
The caps are my emphasis. There’s a pretty clear distinction between the Brave weapons (which appear to be exactly as you say) and the Silver.
I was hoping that someone who read Japanese had taken a look at the article to see if what I said was true, but I guess the author of the article had already given all the information available.
I definitely see what you mean now. Yeah most likely there is some sort of translation inconsistency there, we’ll have to wait and see.
Interesting changes. I like the additions to the Weapon Triangle. Sounds like an interesting shake-up. Old one was kind of stale anyway.
I have been rather perplexed with all changes they’ve made thus far. But this is good news, truly a marriage of the weapons and magic triangles. The balance seems good and if they limit the # of Weapons, I’m sold! You have my interest.IS. Also, I like Felicia and like that she’s on both sides! 🙂
I trust them. After all, they are the one who created fire emblem. They know what they’re doing
Oboro, Kagerou, Suzukaze? WWII Japanese ship names anyone?
And then they’ll be a guy named Yamato and… XD
Finally, bows have joined the triangle!
Are there any news if Light magic is back?
No confirmation yet, but frankly I think its for sure coming back. Dark and traditional Anima will be Nohr, and Light plus new Anima (like Ice Magic) will be Hoshido.
Depending on how Kozaki feels about releasing his work, to me I feel this weekly countdown to awakening on Famitsu would be a good as chance as any to reveal a full-bodied character (like around the size of the royal family official arts that were in the previous week). Like….this would have been a good chance as any to get a better look at either Cyrus or Oboro. Ergg! Well, I’m hoping there’s also an art book for If.
I am okay with this, actually. It’ll help create different strategies for my play style. Now I just hope that the map design isn’t as stale as Awakening’s was.
I think I might prefer it this way. Now I have incentive to use something other than a brave or steel sword. I probably still will 90% of the time anyway, but at least there’s something there instead of a direct tier progression with the only incentive being durability. Also I wonder if they’ll bring back the magic triangle.
Given magic’s spot in the weapon triangle, I doubt it. If there was such a triangle, you’d think they would announce it along with this one.
So, this is another early leak, correct? The rest comes tomorrow?
The real question is….will we be able to cross-promote our other units into maid’s and butlers (if they still decide to keep the second seal)?
I dont think so, i thik Butlers and Maids will be special ones, like Dancers, Bards and Lords
Change is good, it maybe won’t work out, but excluding the abolition of the weapon durability, none of the announced implements will actually change the core of Fire Emblem Gameplay, note that WE Gaiden also use this method. Still they are changing this aspect of the strategy to try a new one.
I see many people talking bad about they want to make FE if more casual, but they cant remember that exactly why FE franchise still exist. FE awakening was to be the last game, but because the changes, and the appeal to casual gamers the game was a fuking sucess, and now we have this great FE project.
damn, it’s really sad that Butler and Maid are promoted classes. It`s known that early promoted classes, are OP early game, and sucks late game … (cof frederick) Damn you Intelligent system D:
ps: R.I.P great butler
I agree! Frederick is amazing but heavily falls of late-game and doesn’t have much use then. If Maid and Butler are promotions, what’s the base class?
hard to know D:
but i reeeally hope they are not early promoted, they seems to be unique classes like Dancer and Lord.
Every FE has one early promoted to hold early game, but they are normaly Great Knight, and Noh already have one. hope still lives
Slave? Nah probably peasant or something
Pitiful-Servant-Child.
Well they’re almost purely support classes really, all they need is to not get hit and get their hits in to debuff the enemies. So its not like they won’t be totally useless especially if their levels aren’t capped at 30.
I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t really get what would promote to Maid or Butler. I’d put more money on them being special classes like Dancer, which would make sense because they focus on support overall.
I guess I’d like to have a Healer-Jeigen rather than a Jeigen that could actually steal my EXP if I wasn’t a veteran of FE enough to know to avoid said Jeigen like the plague.
Byakuya/Hoshido Ninjas
スズカゼ – Suzukaze
サイゾウ – Saizou
カゲロウ – Kagerou
omg, girl ninja OP
Their profiles and the rest of the scans were translated here, too!
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/fire-emblem-if-famitsu-scan-translations-all-52115/
I have a feeling that brave Hero is going to have a personality like Gaston….
Nobody loves himself more than Gaston or fails to take a hint like Gaston. <w<
That Hero looks like Captain N’s Simon Belmont.
Aren’t the ofudas the “new” tomes? As for Hoshido, of course.
Well, we haven’t fully seen much to confirm that theory. Our only instance of seeing the ofudas was that tiny scene from the first trailer.
It seems to me like Butlers/Maids are the Nohrian healer class whist Hoshido seems to be going more traditionally FE (Sakura the Priestess) with clerical healers… If that’s true, I think it’s brilliant, as in the tropes and classes actually have a hand in the storytelling and world building (as opposed to Bernese healers, Lycian healers, and Etrurian healers all using the same staves and are clerics/priests of the same church). They also seem to be doing well in that the new classes seem to be functioning the same way the healers did in the elder games; so storytelling elements and a continuity of gameplay-function at the same time!! ^_^
I hope I can have bright red hair in this game because for whatever reason you couldn’t have red hair in awaking. Oh and hot pink. Also hoping dudes get hair accessories has well. In Japan hair bands are popular with younger men and its not like the world will explode if a dude had a feminine hair piece. I want flowers in my hair.
In our hearts, it shall always be Great Butler.
In our hearts, it will always be the Great Butler.
I wonder if they’re going to be the Freddie of the franchise. Powerful to start with, then quickly fall off towards the mid-to-late game.
Taking the word ‘butler’ extremely literally, what would they wield? Canes concealing swords, fancy dinners to throw at the enemy, etc?
😛
Cutlery. It worked for Sebastian from Black Butler. 😀
Then again, if they were geared entirely towards both serving and protecting their employer, they would have some martial skill and experience in subterfuge to go with it.
Sabotage wouldn’t be too far out of the question or information gathering-keeping an ear to the ground to ensure there are no threats within their staff and so on. Really it would depend on the person.
Concealable weaponry would be ideal so knives would be more appropriate, but think along the lines of maybe how royal butlers/guards are portrayed. Hand to hand combat perhaps? You wouldn’t mess with them regardless of the choice.
Yeah, a badass butler is definitely going to be more intimidating than a swordsman.
adding that to my FE:If ToDo roster.A whip cane is perfectly feasible if BloodBorne is anything to go by, and no one will even see it coming.
For anyone curious, the Dengeki character profiles were translated and put onto the page here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/fire-emblem-if-dengeki-character-profiles-all-5212015/
Judging by the images, it seems like Aqua or her pendant has the power to control water. Perhaps it’s the Nohr’s equivilent to the Dragon’s Vein ability?
both royal families has the Dragon’s Vein ability … in theory all of them could use it, but only in special occasions.
But maybe, just maybe, each of them has one different Dragon´s Vein ability. Kamui coul control space time, and Aqua water (just a theory)
I find it odd that the royal family in Nohr have the same ability as the royal family of Hoshido. It’d make more sense if both were reffered to as Dragon’s Vein, but had different effects, like Aqua’s waterbending. (Not going to lie, that’s pretty much what it is.)
I think it’s cool. It suggests both families have the same roots, which could lead to complications further down the road.
the producers said that both families members will have Dragon Veins, and will only be an option in special ocasions, like rebuild a bridge ore start a water flood. More details are still unclear, but I think the effect will vary with the trigger not with the characters
i’m very curious about this images, i dont have the japanese skill to read this, but could it be about the relations between the families members ?
Nope, the characters are only used to illustrate Attack Stance/Guard Stance. In the “battle” on the left, Camilla is standing next to Marx who initiates an attack on Ryouma; Camilla would join the battle and Dual Strike. In the other image, pairing Sakura with Hinoka would boost the latter’s stats; however, Sakura cannot Dual Strike.
If I make any mistakes, please correct me.
I hope that helps! 🙂
you are right … it’s only exemples of pair up attaks
Just wondering, does anyone knows what the 7 customisation options are? In Awakening, there were the 5: build, face, hair, hair colour and voice, and we know there will be a hair accessory option. Does anyone know what the 7th option translates to?
You can choose “face details”, like the band aid on the customized male MC in the scans.
Hinoka is a lot larger than I thought… Why did she have to be Elder Sister? Sigh… Hopefully her lover options have great supports with her.
I’m loving all the great coverage on this game, it’s keeping my hype alive and well – keep up the great work!!
Their reasoning for the abolishing of weapons is terrible. I really hope the added depth adds complexity as opposed to makes things easier. I understand appealing to newcomers, but this change affects vets too… If anything, it should have been optional.
Don’t know, i like what they did with that.
Like i won’t give brave weapon for all units (-4 for def and res? it can be one dead unit after one turn). It isn;t what i’ll call *make game easier*. Without weapon durability game become *less tedious* yeah.
I like the new complexity too, but I don’t know if they’ll make good on their word. I hope it’s as complex as it sounds on paper AKA the units are actually affected by said buffs and debuffs.
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I don’t think i follow. We can already see that units actually affected by buffs and debuffs. And what the point in removing features after telling that they are in game?
Not removing, I do apologize, I could have worded better. I’m fearful that units will be too powerful that the debuffs won’t be significant.
When they say they did it to make the game easier for newcomers, I still don’t see it. Like, with durability, all you had to think about is what weapon to use (though I can understand with Nohr because the lack of ability to earn money outside the main game. Hoshido on the other hand….it just depends on how much money you’re able to get), but with the buff system, it seems they’ll have to require more thinking in deciding what weapon to use for their unit. I mean I have no issue with the whole thing. It just seems like they didn’t make things easier despite what they claim because now newcomers have to worry about things like “Double Attack Threshold” numbers.
Fair enough. Hopefully the depth in the additions adds to the experience as a whole.
Again the Change the fe mechanics sometimes in the franchise especially the weapon mechanics. Ok first off sometimes a franchise need something new I can’t be the same thing over and over. Second you do realize there are thing in the game that still make it hard right.
Also stop complaining the same thing, dipshit. XD
I think there must be a lot of new items for each weapon types if they think newcomers will be overwhelmed by it.
Three things I noticed/liked~:
1) It was kind of obvious of them to get rid of hand-held ranged-weapons’ ability to double-attack. Because if you think about it realistically, once you throw your javelin over a wall….you’re not getting it back.
2) People/IGN can stop complaining about butler and maid classes as they promote into actual canon classes now.
3) MALE PEGASUS KNIGHTS!!!! TSUBAKI is most likely a guy now
I’m pretty sure Tsubaki is a guy since he uses the male pronoun “ore” in one of the scans. Can never be sure, though, he could be a really boyish girl since Sully used “boku”, another male pronoun. …I say he’s a guy.
Well, at least that trope lives on! (Sully, Libra, Lucius…… and so on)
You do realize there was tropes in other fe games too right?
More than can be counted, my good sir (no, really). The tropes make up half what FE truly is. I can live without weapon durability, but never take away my Jeigen’s, my Navarre’s, my Caeda’s, my Est’s, my Cain’s, my Abel’s, and my Gotoh’s (that was just the stuff I remember off the top of my head. A half hour from now, I’d have remembered twice that). XD
“More appealing for newcomers” seems like a blatant marketing tactic to me. There is just no way they would be so brutally honest with such a controversial subject as this, unless there’s a good reason. It’s just like them saying the Hoshido path is more appealing to Awakening players despite the fact that grinding costs like 1000+G each battle…
Compared to weapon durability, there are a lot of other much more lethal things like enemy dual-strikes, difficult/complex map objectives etc. that are easier to turn new players away than weapons having limited uses (which has rarely been a problem anyway unless in higher difficulty due to the massive amount of resources that we tend to get), yet they still had no problem including and CONSTANTLY ADVERTISING those stuffs.
Therefore, I’m of the opinion that they’re only using “new players” as an excuse to test out something new, yet still attract newcomers at the same time.
No it’s called easing up for the noobs.
1:Sometimes game developers will make a change so the newcomers can see what the game and it’s franchise is like.
2: you do realize to grind in awakening to grind is spend money on the zombie boxes duh.
3: sometimes in the franchise they some change the fe mechanics all the time.
4:if I’m correct weapon mechanic change some times too in the franchise.
It’s fine to disagree with somebody else, but let’s ease up on the name-calling. Opinions are just that: opinions.
…That is exactly my point. In case I haven’t made myself clear, I was saying that people shouldn’t read too much into their claim that certain options were added/removed just for the sake of new players (and thus having no concern about the veterans), while it isn’t necessarily always the case. Development changes happen, they wanted to test out new things, there didn’t even need to be a reason for that, they could very well just shake things up for the sake of having something new. But hey, saying that they’re considering the newcomers help sell the game, so why not?
Also, in Awakening, Risens pop up after a while so you can freely grind if you have enough patience, but that’s beside the point here.
I think that Fire Emblem:If will be a bit too easy. Like… Phoenix mode, a mode where your units never really die- that takes away the strategic and emotional challenge that IS Fire Emblem. Not to mention the removal of weapon durability. Instead of removing it all together, they should have given the players the option if they want to turn durability off/on. That way, they will be pleasing people who are worried about their weapon’s condition, AND the people who are looking for a bit of a challenge. What do you guys think?
I think its going to be really hard actually, enemy pair up alone makes everything more threatening and positioning vastly more important.
Oh oops, I forgot about the enemy pair ups, sorry about that… But one thing that I really wanted was the option to turn durability on/off. Tbh, I actually found the games to be a bit more thrilling with durability, cause in real life, weapons do break if they are overused time and time again. I understand that they would remove durability for the Nohr campaign, but what about Hoshido? We’ll probably be drowning in weapons, and I’m not sure selling them would kinda work out. I mean, we usually bought MORE weapons with our money though, right? We can buy more medicine and all that but I don’t know… It just doesn’t sound as challenging anymore…
I don’t really know, when I was doing my no grind runs in Awakening, Cash wasn’t exactly the easiest thing to come by and presumably with unbreakable weapons comes higher price point per weapon as well as shops not having unlimited weapons on sale. So with the more horizontal progression, buying weapons still retains that economic factor. This all comes down the execution which can’t be easily stated in interviews and the like so we’ll have to see how it turns out in june. There’s also the speculation that Hoshido’s “World map” isn’t actually a world map, just a method to take optional battles (Which also can put economic strain in ways the Nohr campaign does not).
Hm, I guess that’s true… Well, thanks for clearing that up! 😀
weapons do break in real life, but no self-respecting army would fail to do proper maintenance on their weapons to keep them from breaking. Outright unbreakable still seems kinda sketch, I would have liked it if it was like weapons get their durability reset at the end of battles, but I guess we’ll have to see the game before we know if it’s good or not.
I’m a little scared this is the case… Though we’ll find out in a month’s time.
Oh Shut up already about “being scared”, for fuck sake have you forgot the enemy pair ups and the option to make it difficult as you please.
Quit being such a faggot over the small things especially for the one mechanic that changes sometimes in the series.
There’s nothing to be scared of on an optional option. I’m assuming you’ve at least played another FE title before so would have no need to go on Phoenix. No one is losing anything by playing Phoenix. If those players thought the game was too easy or decide to write a bad review on it then it shouldn’t matter because 1) They paid for the game, not like they can return it 2) Everyone else will know they did it on the easy-as-all-hell Phoenix mode so their complaints will have zero standing.
I’m actually not scared of Phoenix in the slightest. I’m not a fan of it, but it really is what it is. I’m just wondering if the lack of durability is for the better as we’d have some replacement options, but they are untested meaning it could go great or horribly. It’s a case of tried and true vs the new, and as someone who likes the mechanics, I’m more on the side of tried and true. However, by a month from now we’ll have a good indication of the game and its new mechanics as a whole.
There’s already been a game without weapon durability. I think it was fe 3 or 4 but I can’t remember specifically. Admittedly, it was done differently and there was a very limited number of weapons but from what we’ve heard the weapons will have distinct drawbacks and advantages which will be enough to warrant having to bring different weapons with you and developing different strategies around each of their effects.
The game is about choices even the difficulty have you forgotten the different game visions, enemy pair ups, or the option for death and difficulty?
Duh dumbass
Er… ‘visions’? do you mean ‘versions’? I’m sorry, I was a bit confused there for a sec XD anyways, yeah I admit I kinda forgot about the enemy pair ups, but casual was already a bit easy enough. At least for casual, if your units die, they will stay out of the battle, thus making you change your plans and think a bit more. However, with the new Phoenix mode, the player doesn’t really need to change their battle tactics, only trying to keep the rest of their units alive for one turn. I know you don’t have to play Phoenix, but with that mode, it kinda takes away the whole challenge.. At least in my opinion..
Oh sorry i must have spelled “vision” on my phone by mistake, but hey I have to say that’s a pretty weak way to laugh at something.
1: yeah even in causal you can still lose, you just need to Protect the main characters. Also in causal they don’t stay dead dipshit they come back after your done.
2:in chess there is thing called back spacing were you can take back and it’s kind of like Phoenix.
3: it’s about learning.
1. Yes, I knew that they come back to life afterwards. I just didn’t feel like explaining it sorry.
2. Did not know that since I don’t have the chance to play chess that often
3. May you please be a bit more specific about ‘it’s about learning’? I don’t really think I understand what you mean… Do you mean learning about different strategies?
And I really apologize about prolonging this discussion. Also, one more thing-
May you please kinda stop it with the name-calling? Calling someone a ‘dipshit’ or a ‘dumbass’ can really hurt them.
1: yes because you had so much time on how funny the word “vision”.
2:do you know how some games play where the put you on easy at first ,but then they lead you to hard? anyway they are a lot of new players especially the younger gamers aka kids that might want to play a strategic game.
1. sorry about putting the ‘XD’ I have a tendency to kinda laugh (or at least put a lil laughing emoji/smiley) on conversations that I feel are getting a bit intense/heavy/you get the point so it can kinda lighten the atmosphere. I didn’t really laugh or find it at all funny.
2. I see your point. Thank you for clearing that up! 😀
Deal with it. You’ll be glad they implemented both of those when Lunatic+, or possibly Lunatic++ rolls around. That should be dificult enough for you. And the fact is, you don’t HAVE to use Phoenix mode, so don’t complain about it.
Haha, yes Lunatic+/Lunatic++ would be a bit of a nightmare XD
And I’m not really complaining about the new Phoenix mode. I just have some mixed feelings about it. Like yes, it makes our lives a whole lot easier since we know that our units will spring back to life on the next turn. But because of that fact, some players may have a tendency to not think about the battle too much (I may have worded that weirdly I don’t know XD), thus taking away it’s strategic challenge. Say for casual. We know our units will come back WHEN THE FIGHT IS OVER. However, in the meantime, the player must come up with another new plan on how to win the battle without those units who have just died.
If newcomers find the game boringly easy on Phoenix mode they could always just change the difficulty/start a new game. If they liked it as Phoenix then so be it. One can hope that they’ll like the game enough to replay/buy the other versions and play it on a higher difficulty. Though I got to say if they do get all three version and do Phoenix on all of them….well um….yeah…I guess if they truly felt like doing that its not in our position to stop them….but they’re really missing out by sheltering themselves through all that.
Huh… Guess that’s true. Thanks for clearing some things up! 😀
It’s optionally easy, there’ nothing wrong with that.
So as a neutral party towards Phoenix, I think it would be interesting/make things not as easy, if they reverted the starting units’ stats to its normal value after each revival. I mean if a character gained like 3 levels during a chapter but then died and revived on the following turn, that they would lose any stat gains and their level would be brought back down to the level they were when they started the chapter. But meh, whatever, if that’s not the case then I don’t really care.
Intelligent System is trying to make Fire Emblem more friendly to newcomers, this mean more people playing FE, more succeed, more money, and more GAMES. People forget thar FE awakening was supposed to be the LAST FE GAME, cause FE wasn’t very popular.
Phoenix mode may be a little too much, but it’s supposed to bring more players to Fire Emblem world, and that´s awesome for us. And one more time, it´s an option, you can always play classic and be happy, have an option is always a good idea.
And about the weapon durability … yeah it’s a major change to FE formula, but change is not always a bad thing. It sucks to have that awesome weapon and don’t use it, cause you don’t want to break it, im sure many players have some unused powerful weapon cause you wait to much to use it. It´s a waste. They are changing this aspect from weapons, but on counterpart they will (at least try) balance this change.
Awakening was a hit and I’m looking forward to what Fire Emblem if has in store.
I’m all for them fiddling around with the weapon system. The whole “javelin-can-only-attack-once” thing does add a little more depth to the game… Of course clearly every weapon is now made out of the same MEGAMETAL™ that Ragnell and Falchion are made of… Totally legit, that.
Of course they’ll realize their mistake and bring durability back… except they didn’t bring weight back… *sniffsniff* I guess we’ll never hear that triumphant ♪Wah-wah-wah-wah wah-wah♪ anymore. *cries*
I always wondered how javelins could be thrown twice…….and the hand axes seemed to be boomerangs……
For javelins, I always thought (back in the GBA era) that you got a set of 25 (hence 25 uses or whatever it actually was because my memory fails) and that if you were quick enough, you’d get two off instead of just one…
As for hand axes… yeah, they were totally boomerangs.
This is a very interesting interview. I only hope this game provides a strong challenge. Sure I know it wants to bring in newcomers but what about for the veteran players? I hope Intelligent Systems can give us something that is not only satisfying but also will have the AI kicking our butts at the same time.
Mario DLC Fire Emblem soldier!
I can see it now.
Maybe by Amiibo support they are referring to a line of Fire Emblem LF Amiibos though. If the game is anywhere near as popular as awakening that could be a great way to cash in on that.
“Since some players may consider it wasteful to use a particular weapon, they may end up not using it at all; at which point it’s as if the weapon doesn’t exist.”
And this is why I ended up playing Awakening using only Bronze pretty much weapons throughout the entire game (until someone got 50+ Luck and Armsthrift). Fun? Not really. But it wasn’t challenging either, as I quickly started to one shot pretty much everyone even with those Bronze weapons, with few exceptions. And that was playing on Hard (Normal).
There really wasn’t much strategy behind the breakage of weapons in Awakening, as you could easily stock up on as many as you needed if you wanted to. But for the sake of economy, I stuck to Bronze because I needed nothing more.
But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to have more fun with stronger weapons. And it sounds like I may be able to do that in FE: If.
Yeah, in earlier games when your convoy could only hold a hundred items, things became thrifty and a bit challenging (none of this 20+ iron/steel/silver/brave swords in stock nonsense)… I suppose the durability system went from being a strategic obstacle to being annoying to being non-existent.
Bronze weapons only? There’s a moderately interesting challenge for my next run (oh the smithing I’ll do…)
Maybe more powerful weapons will be more rare in these new games?
Finally, item durability has become more video-game-like!Not sure if that will be good in the long run, though……..I really think that ‘normal’ weapons should have a durability, while tomes and ‘special’ weapons are unbreakable (come on, how does a tome break from overuse?).Also, I want to see someone Game Over in Phoenix Mode during a normal level. Just because.
AND WAIT YOU CAN’T COMBINE BOWS AND FLYING UNITS!!!
Books fall apart if you don’t take care of them (like reading them in the rain, the wind, the desert, on the road, and in a dirty battlefield). It’s inconceivable for us because we buy books, read’em once or twice inside a warm and dry house… and then put them on a shelf.
Ah, thematic skills sound so cool
I just hope there is an option to make an entire team of just maids and butlers.
You know it’s ironic that one of the butlers is named Joker in more ways than one.
The fixed skills are a really good idea and Gaston eeuh I mean Harold looks awesome
Well good to know they put an end to grinding-for-skills abuse and the potential abuse of male galeforce users. But if levels don’t reset, exactly how would a person get their 5 additional skills? Well, the way I see it is that if they needed any skills while pre-promoted, they would change their class at level 10?, and while promoted they would change to another promoted class at level 15 (totally forgot what level promoted units get their second skill at). I kind of forgot if this was the case in FE:A, but if you now changed your level 16 Great Knight to a level 16 Paladin, would you still be able to get both the natural and second skill of the Paladin?
ok, parallel seals will maintain the user levels, but how about the skills ?
apparently it will nerf the skills from other branch classes, unless it unlock all early levels skills …
There’s a whole-lot of gender confusion going on with If lol (now with Oboro). Got to blame the fact that a lot of the Hoshido guys like to grow out their hair.
Finally, arrogance is a good thing!
Can’t wait trying to be a maid myself. (Unless they locked the MU’s classes too, but I don’t think they did.)
Fixed skills… Huh. Kinda want to see this XD
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The fixed skills are PERFECT.
Also, Tsukuyoma . . . a young spellcaster associated with wind? I think we’ve found our Merric archetype character.
Yay new favourite character.
I take it that your max stats are lower than in Awakening since we are now back to a maximum of 20/20 levels. I love that characters have their own unique skill that will make them stand out more and it would give you incentive to use some characters over others.
So; We cant downgrade levels..? I smell alot of soft resets because [X character] only got +1 during the level up instead of +8!
You probably can, but they haven’t confirmed it yet. There’s a suspicious quote in the magazine that says you can “class change as many times as you want!”. Which… could be referring to the Parallel Seal, I guess. So who knows? XD
Alright, now here’s the main question. Where is that beautiful Awakening Avatar focused I-can-marry-everyone Support system?
Full translations of the summarized Famitsu pages are here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/fire-emblem-if-famitsu-scan-translations-all-52815/
Pretty cool. 😀
I didn’t need to know Harold’s name, I waas always going to refer to him as Captain America
Oh yes, no level reset after class changing means no stupid endless grinding for overpowered units. That’s the best change from Awakening so far.
Some of us liked that. If you don’t, why just not do it?
Because it became pretty much necessary in some of the DLC chapters.
Taking out a mechanic a lot of people enjoy so post-game extras can be more easily accessible seems a little off to me. Or they could have just made said DLC chapters less difficult.
Intelligent Systems, as a follower of the FE series, I regret to inform you that the direction in which you lead now with the unlimited weapon uses category is corrosive. The FE formula is in the makings of achieving complete mastery over the 3DS system as it had was on the Gameboy with FE7 and FE:SS. It is an un-refuted fact that you had mastered the game boy system with those two aforementioned titles and showed the world what it was to craft a game on a limited system, and master a game with story and perfectly resonant mechanics that allowed the story and the game to merge resulting in the most richest interactive visual software experiences ever created inherently within the medium of hardware.
Please take this criticism positively; durabilities is a major concern! Truly, you must know that FE7 and FE8 are the most worshiped titles you’ve ever produced; the evidence of this is in youtube and forums all over the internet that to this day create mods for 7 & SS emulations. People have written all kinds of stories and developed all kinds of MUGS that they employ within the system you’ve created. The community is ripe. Just take a look at cedarnyx’s channel or MarkyJoe’s channel who single handed hosts mod competitions for those games. And one of the primary aspects of this is because people want to relive the experience that you delivered. They want to meet characters like Lynn, Eliwood, Hector, Ephraim and Erika again. They want to beat Ephidel again! Why because the system, the world and characters resonated with their hearts! They found humanity within the Fire Emblem world. You had made it into a reality with tiny clever and intelligent pieces of genius nuggets of code and UI design so well crafted, and weopon DURABILITY was one of those aspects that bound us to that reality! FIre Emblem is a bag full of nuggets of gold. And we don’t want to part with a single pebble. Durabilities is one of those pebbles!
If however, in the course of this argument, we, the fire emblem community have not afforded to convinced you to route this decision. Then we request that at least you let this feature lay to rest in classic mode or have an option to allow it to remain therein, as it, just like the entire system, has become for us an unrivaled poem that enchants us in every visit, with a warm welcome, and so we won’t part with a single word.
Please do not deprive us of that word, we’ve supported you throughout your creative endeavours, now we ask that you support us in kind.
Thank you.
P.S. Also, please include feet.
‘Vantage’ + ‘Deathmatch’ = Me worrying about overpowered skill mixing, again. And ‘Strength Seal’ will do what ‘Defense Seal’ did but reduce 6 Atk I’m guessing. I guess my problem is just Vantage’s balancing in general. Would it need a nerf? I’m just getting worried again, but remember ‘Miracle + Vantage + Vengeance’?
Dragonstone has never had a rank
Not a big fan of lack of Level reset but I imagine tons of people on here will love that you can’t grind characters to infinity.
You imagine correctly. The necessity of grinding to get through Awakening’s DLC almost ruined it for me.
I didn’t buy any of the DLC so for me it was never an issue XD.
This game looks so amazing.
Wow. I don’t know what to say. That video was something else. Hot springs with my boys? Hell yeah. Hot springs with my girls? Kazahana might disagree, but hell yeah. Petting my unit’s faces like pokemon amie? Hell yeah. Cool looking Marth and Ike art? Hell yeah, I am officially insanely hyped for this game, and it’s a damned shame because i have to wait till 2016.
They don’t know how hyped Fire Emblem is in NA.. Alot of JP companies it seems don’t know that their games are hyped..
On a side note, Intelligent systems is really riding on Awakening’s success to push out so many new features into the series. With high expectations, I cannot wait to see what they can come up with.
From what I’ve seen in the past, with manga, anime, and video games, Japan doesn’t really pay attention to what westerners think about their stuff. They appear to be only focused on their own localization, while having it being sold overseas is just a plus for them. Ie: I’ve know Japanese manga writers that don’t care about their stuff being leaked to westerners, put they have zero tolerance with easterners. Highschool of the dead (both anime and manga) surprisingly tanked in Japan, while it was more than welcomed in the west. Even the writer said he as surprised because he didn’t even realize his stuff was so popular in the west.
Reminds of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure where a character says to a mangaka that they want an english translation of their manga to makeit easier for them to read and the mangaka saying that they never translated his manga into english because they didn’t understand his genius. Of course that mangaka was a Jerk version of the author.
Also WataMote and other series have been sometimes catered to the west, but that stopped happening a lot since the economic recession.
The amiibo usage sounds fun….if they actually made them more readily available!
I’d like to hope they get a reprint for this game.
they will reprint them
Good. I’m trying to get Lucina soon. Perhaps get Marth and/or Ike when there’s more of them.
i loved how DLC chars like Marth was so perfectly adapted, its not ridiculous like Awakening ones. I’m hyped into to see Lucina and maybe Lyn ….
Those were amiibo, not DLC. So no Lyn.
i know, but i still can dream about it hahah
Ehh, don’t forget that Fire Emblem Cipher is giving us download codes for Marth, Lucina, and Pegasus Knight Minerva, so don’t say “not DLC” and “no Lyn” just yet.
We don’t know if the download codes are gonna work just like the Amiibo, but I honestly can’t see them being that different, and I don’t imagine them letting us recruit 2 Marths and 2 Lucinas.
I can say not DLC because the footage didnt show DLC, it showed Amiibo. I’m not sating their wont be DLC, just that we dont know if there is if it will work in a similar way. And i doubt the Cipher cards are coming out of Japan. Maybe we’ll get some other codes for the characters they get, but we definitely wont get the cards.
Awakening had a huge roster of dlc characters, all of them poorly made, so MAYBE we can see more characters from other Games in the same quality as Marth, Lucina, Robin and Ike
I hope there will be some special edition new 3DS when the game is released in NA
More characters information was released at the oficial site
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/bfwj/character/index.html
Some translations i made …
Mikoto (cv: Ohara Sayaka)
Hoshido Empress. Peace Loving Queen
Kamui’s real Mother
The next to the throne, after the accidental death of her husband Sumeragi.
Now I am really torn on join nohr because I will now not only be betraying my blood siblings but also my own mother.:'(
Thanks a ton for the translation, dude.
I agree with the other guy, it’s gonna be hard to fight against your mom. Just imagine if you end up having to kill her too.
How much do you want to bet that the “accidental death” was not so “accidental”?
that’s the point, in the PV it seems Sumeragi was killed while protecting Kamui from Nohrian arrows, but we dont know for sure what happened there. Maybe it’s a mistake take Nohr as bad guys …
Or eye for an eye. Maybe the Nohrian queen was killed when Hoshido kidnapped Aqua.
Or perhaps the Nohrian emporer abducted the avatar in retaliation for Aqua’s abduction.
Garon may have launched an attack to retrieve Aqua from the Hoshido and came across Kamui and their father during said attack, thought, “well, in for a penny, in for a pound.” The only two questions that I haven’t seen asked is whether Aqua’s abduction came before or after the avatars, or whether or not either side tried to offer a straight up trade to get their relevant crotch spawn back, because so far it doesn’t look like either even thought of that, but time will tell.
It also occurs to me that someone had to have given the order to abduct her. The king, Sumeragi, or considering Sumeragi bites the dust, that would leave queen Mikoto as the sole culprit, because Ryouma would’ve been too young at the time himself. But this largely depends on whether she was taken before or after the avatar. On the other hand, maybe someone in the Hoshido army got a little too gung-hoe and jacked Aqua from her family as a bonus.
Dat FE-Amie? Stahp, tis is what the waifu sim fans wants!
I do hope those Streetpass options don’t really help you power grind… although it will be fine if it’s 40 levels max per character.
the download of the music doesnt work :
Yes it does, just right click and save file as whatever name you like.
oh nvm thaankksss
Full character profile translations here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/fire-emblem-if-website-character-profile-translations-ongoing/
Full “System” page translations here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/fire-emblem-if-website-system-translation-61/
The one thing I’m not happy about is the amiibo support, since it’s essentially just disc-locked content.
This game honestly feels likes it is getting better and better with each update. I just really hope the map and mission structure in the Nohr version is good, or at the very least better than what Awakening gave us. I kind of prefer these character designs over Awakening, but I’m wondering how much crossover they’ll be as far as who you can recruit. Like, will I be able to recruit Crimson even if I side with Nohr? Even if the campaigns are different, just how varied are the recruitment pools supposed to be. I know some are probably going to be locked into their side as that’s a given.
Also: Oh man, is that the Shenmue menu music I’m hearing? I can very much deal with something that is aesthetically similar to Shenmue’s soundtrack.
I regrettably can’t read Japanese… But I’ll guess what the four Amiibos are saying:
Nailed it.
Alternatively if you translate the characters backwards:
Marth: “You remind me of Kris.”
Ike: “You remind me of Soren.”
Robin: “You remind me of myself.”
Lucina: “You remind me of Robin.”
I approve of the last one.
O̶k̶a̶y̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶
̶g̶u̶y̶’̶s̶ ̶h̶o̶p̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶d̶r̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶’̶s̶
̶H̶e̶a̶d̶C̶a̶n̶o̶n̶™̶!̶!̶!̶
Don’t you worry, headcanon is best canon. (?
Great analysis! At the risk of sounding extremely nitpicky, though, I’m a little bit doubtful about this particular part:
”Here’s something new though that was hinted earlier: In Guard Stance, enemy Attack Stances are automatically negated.”
I guess it could be read that way, but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to interpret the Japanese text on the website as simply stating that when the gauge has filled up an enemy attack will be completely blocked, including any additional attacks from enemy rear units in attack stance? Rather than negating attack stances altogether?
Glad you enjoyed it.
I guess it can be read either way, but the way they added it as a footnote makes me thing it’s meant to be read separately.
Plus there’s a screenshot where Kamui and Suzukaze are in an Attack Stance against a pair of enemies in a Guard Stance and Suzukaze has no battle stats. So I’m more leaning towards Guard Stance always negating Attack Stance.
It would add a lot more incentive to use Guard Stance too, since players are typically offensively-oriented and may dismiss Guard Stance for not providing follow-up attacks.
I see, I didn’t know about that screenshot! Was it in one of the recent Famitsu issues?
I must agree that your explanation makes a lot of sense from a gameplay perspective. It’d make the choice between the two stances a really interesting one. Come to think of it, it should be interesting to see how how well the AI will be able to use the stances to its advantage.
I had Charlotte pegged for trouble the moment I saw her and simply cannot figure out why that is.
Has there been any word on how we generate dragon vein points in the my castle area? Will it make use of the 3ds coin system? Have to admit that I am looking forward to this game even though we have to wait even longer for it to be released. I am also terribly amused and disgusted by the abhorant reaction of the veterans about the mofu mofu/Pokemon amie function.
Also: ‘accidental’? Hard to call being turned into a human pincushion an ‘accident.’ This only makes me even more suspiciousof the Hoshido. I suspect they jacked Aqua first and Garon retaliated trying to get her back. Only he came across the avatar and their father, killed him and abducted the mc.
ew, i’ll probably kill her along with camilla as soon as i can.
I just want to point out that this is a Japanese game first, so the characters and their designs will probably differ in the NA release, just like Tharja’s portrait from the Awakening DLC.
You mean the ridiculous overreaction to Tharja’s smallest sliver of a buttcrack image and their solution being the curtain? Yet they were quite content to let Nowi fly through the vetting process in her outfit. Yeah, actually I see your point in that regard.
I actually happen to like Camilla due to the whole overprotective big sister persona she’s got going on. Panty armour be damned. I do want to off Luna though. Severa was a character who got on my nerves and I can not deal with that behaviour a second time round.
With Charlotte I am willing to give her a chance. Benoit is going to be funny though. I thought they were siblings or he was her bodyguard or something.
After thinking about it, “untimely death” might be a better and more appropriate translation there ^^
Thank you for telling me, I was a bit confused and very suspicious about the “peaceful queen” calling her husbands death an accident.
that severa tho …
they are rlly messing with my head man …xD
So Luna really is a character that exists, huh.
Well, I’m sure that we will get more info on them. I’m actually surprised that they made Luna look so much like Severa. ._.
Well, Severa was a really popular character… Also, with a really large cast of characters some similar characters can be expected. But yeah, I did not expected that much similarity. I love Kusuke Kozaki’s designs and style, but that is not his best. However, sometimes these kind of things happen because Executive Meddling, and in these projects artists must do what their employers ask. Either way, not that it ruins the game or something, at least not for me.
Style I can agree on. Desgnwise is a whole different issue…
Also, Severa overall isn’t that popular. I believe she placed 23rd in the Japanese vote.
I didn’t say that the style was an excuse.
Oh, yes, you are right. Including all the cast, Severa was not that popular. So, my bets now are that some people in Intelligent Systems like her too much. As I said, it could be a case of just lazy design, but also lets take into account that the artists do not have total control of the designs, most of the time those things are requested or need approval. If they wanted a Severa’s clone, Kusuke Kozaki just did what they said (if that was really the case).
It’s more than that. She has the same voice actress (who is hosting the 25th anniversary concert, FYI).
IS is just pandering to the Awakening fans by making brazen clones of the popular child units, making the roster look bigger.
Pretty likely that she was planned like that since the beginning. However, lets wait for the entire rooster, if it is bigger than past Fire Emblems, a few clones would not be that much of an issue. But, if is not that big and there are a lot of clones, that would be lame.
…We’re discussing roster size and clones.
Yay. We’re the new Smash Bros. fandom.
Well, in my case this is not that important. Tactical RPG are my favorite kind of games. I am interested in the game as a whole, but the mechanics and the missions are my priority. Hehe, it seems that we are not going anywhere with this discussion. Lets end here.
Well, Severa is Selena in Japan but her name was changed in North America so she wouldn’t be confused with the character from Sacred Stones. Selena is a name relating to the moon, as is Luna. They both share the same class, and the same voice actor… this is definitely not coincidence and may be a Camus/Sirius situation minus the mask somehow. Or how Palla/Catria/Est have visited other nations together. Many of the children in Awakening implied that they could not go home to their own future but felt uncomfortable being around their parents, knowing their own selves would be born into the world later on. So in a way, knowing there is dimensional travel and a bunch of displaced kids, they go on a journey and end up in places like… this one.
…You do know that it’s been repeatedly stated that FEif has no connections to any previous games in the series, and is the start of a new world?
Tellius and Magvel are also different worlds but the dimensional gates allowed those characters to appear in Awakening… We also have confirmation that Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina appear when you use their amiibos and there are concepts similar to alternate dimensions.
On the off chance that Luna is just an expy of Severa, then whatever, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she is a dimensional gate traveler either.
I definitely think dimensional gates will be a thing for FE series, as a way to connect all the different realms (it’ll just not be pivotal to the story and more DLC-related stuff). I get the feeling it definitely is Severa (Selena) just that she changed her name. Maybe perhaps she’s taking notes from Lucina like when she was pretending to be Marth (lol). FE: Awakening had Priam who is Ike’s son, so if FE: IF will have Cordelia’s (Tiamo in japanese) daughter Severa (Luna in IF), then we might just see a running trend of seeing previous games characters offsprings in the next game. I’m going to ignore the remakes like shadow dragon being the target game for Awakening to pull from, considering Awakening takes place in the same world and is 2000 years later (hell Chrom is Marth’s descendant if you want to nitpick).
The Outrealm Gate was just a way to cram DLC into Awakening. If it becomes canon, then we’ve delved into the level of bad fanfiction.
The outrealms, currently, are non-canon and hopefully stay that way.
must buy Hoshido and Nohr to get all the waifu
Need third path too as I’m sure it’ll have unique characters too.
I want an Owain look-alike right now.
Yeah, me too… XD
Actually I don’t because that’s not original and it’ll take some of Owain’s Owain-i-ness away from him…
Take it you haven’t seen Odin, then?
This just feels like a lazy way to pad out the character roster, as well as more Awakening pandering.
Now the Fire Emblem community can argue about clones.
I want to see unique characters, not clones.
Luna may just be a case of lazy writing and design. Kazahana’s skill is too much, especially compared to the others here.
This girl is taking no shit from anyone, not from adjacent enemies or Kamui walking in on her while she’s in the bathhouse.
Actually, Kazahana’s personal skill may not be as great as it sounds. Probably it only activates on your turn, and even if the skill applies on either turn, directly adjacent enemies is not something you see that much, especially on normal or easy difficulties.
Yeah, but you can easily guide enemies into being adjacent.
True, true! And there are missions when you have to do it, there it is going to help a lot. But for the rest of the chapters, not that much, unless you play like that. In my case, I don’t stall enemies unless is necessary. My point is that I don’t think is much better than other personal skills. However, some other’s personal skills can become useless at end game, unless these skills change or evolve, that is. This one seems useful from the beginning to the end.
I honestly think its too early to judge whether this skill is good or bad. However, considering now that enemy units can now “pair up,” they are probably revamping enemy AI to act in groups more so than previous FE games. While you might not be dealing massive damage to a lot of units simultaneously, this is still a good skill to counter against enemies units that act as a group. They already mentioned in the Nintendo Direct how you can set your characters in “My Castle” to act in groups or run around solo.
Indeed, is too early. My hopes are that every character is going to be useful. I do not like the idea of having characters with much better abilities than others. Of course, in other hand, the reclassing options and the max stats also could affect how good is an unit. But yeah, we can’t see the whole picture right now.
I hadn’t thought about the enemies’ IA, good point, there would be new things in that aspect.
Dive Bombing. With a tank built unit. Most of the time, I can see people going to use ranged units to reduce an opposing units Hp to near enough while grouped for Kazahana to clear. Taking Ike’s Eruption from Smash and making it a personal. But for now, we’ll have to say it does as great as it sounds.
Well, that requires a specific tactic. And we need to see if Kazahana actually gets more experience by killing enemies that way.
I am just saying this skill could be not that overpowered, especially if you have to use other units to set things like that and make it look cool. It would look cool though.
Any other wrestling fan hearing the summary of Benoit and feeling mixed opinions?
no fox waifu? me no buy
yeah, luna’s a lazy design. you know who else is a lazy design? Danved in radiant dawn! he looks just like devdan from path of radiance. super lazy imo.
and don’t even get me started on them reusing camus like three times in the first three games. Were they sirius with that?
WERE THEY SIRIUS WITH THAT
Fox boy best boy.
I bet Luna… wait for it… will learn Luna. Huh?
Thanks for the updates
I’m definitely going to spend 90% of my game time tweaking and messing around with all these cool features while forgetting to save my country or whatever, lol…
To think there are people who just want to do campaigns. I can understand for like a few games/titles, but to actually want all games in the series to follow FE 7’s/8/everything else except for Awakenings’ formula would be redundant as all hell. I for one (along with the vast majority) welcome these changes that are coming to Fire Emblem. Because with stuff like this, we’re able to learn more little quirks of our characters and have them be more relevant than when compared to how characters in Awakening were treated. There is nothing wrong with getting to know the people in your army, it shows you care as a commander and you aren’t there to just “beat the game”. This game is going to be a god-send in occupying free time….plus if one out of the two copies of IF is going to cost this much, I would would rather get my money’s worth (BTW, having around 25 chapters of campaign is so not worth over$50, hence, all this extra content)
It’s like when they introduced the support system in FE6. I wonder how many people bickered because there was less left up to their f̶r̶e̶a̶k̶’̶d̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ head-canons.
Finally, someone who gets it.
I welcome them bringing in more things to do than just the main campaign like previous games in the series. Not to mention, as you said, this kind of helps other characters be a bit more important.
These are the type of people who are comparable to those who bought pokemon x/y omega/alpha and only wanted to beat it as fast as they can and only doing gyms and the elite four, finishing the game within 3 days. If people just want to play a game for its main point and not explore or take their time, then its their prerogative. But its dumb that the same people will get angry at the fact that new features outside of the main game are added on, when in fact they won’t even bother doing them in the first place.
I really don’t get why most of the hardcore fans (well the more vocal ones) have to be such prudes. I’m as hardcore as the rest of them, playing FE 7 & 8 and then went out of my way to buy&play the Japanese copy of 6. Considering how similar those 3 (and the rest of them) were, I’m glad we have drastic changes.
Yeah, and then those same people would just argue “If they weren’t spending time on My Castle, they could focus more on the main campaign!”
I don’t really like it when some argue that point. It’s as if they’re implying that Intelligent Systems is sacrificing the main campaign for My Castle, when I doubt that’s the case. I’m fully confident that they’re achieving the kind of game they set out to make.
I am so naming my castle The Castle Anthrax! ^_^
And who wouldn’t have a dungeon in their castle? Even if it serves no purpose? I’ll put it right next to Anna’s Secret Shop. *puts index finger to his chin*
All of the above scans are fully translated here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/fire-emblem-if-famitsu-scan-translations-all-60415/
Why can’t Nintendo do for this game what they did for Pokemon and just release this title in NA the same time as Japan!?!?!?!? I dont know if I can wait till next year, I NEED THIS GAME ALREADY!!!!!!
Spare a thought for European players who will no doubt have to wait longer than America to get their hands on the game. Awakening came out two months after it was released stateside. The only reason I survived was because I wasn’t interested until I watched US uploaders on YouTube then preordered that shit immediately.
I am so excited for this game! I want to marry either Charlotte or Aqua, they’re both so pretty!
Seems more like they’re fusing FE and Tomodachi Life.
Exactly which of these news was intended for the hardcore fans? It all sounds like stuff the new people will be more happy to learn about.
Oh I don’t know, perhaps it’s for people who want to do more than just the main story, considering previous FE games never offered such an option.
You don’t get exp in my castle, in other words no leveling up in nohr.
why are they putting such a mystery regarding the blue haired maid -.-
my point exactly lmao
Do I smell a traitorous backstabbing maid here…? >_>
inb4 they reveal that both maids were actually one maid to begin with and are now split entities. Joker betrays them, becomes the final boss while the two maids combine to form the final monster.
This game definitely steers towards Awakening fans. Waifu Sim 2.0 now with customization homes, buildings and prisons. I feel a lot less effort went into game’s cores and mechanics.
You say that despite all the times they talked about the additions to the weapon triangle, different handling of weapons, and other such things.
they’re just not talking about core and mechanics because there’s no reason to at all (bar the mechanics that changed). Its a boring subject to even write about in magazines and directs. They’re just getting all the subject-worthy/more talkative stuff out of the way. Because honestly, what would get the public talking more, having a direct where it goes “Oh look….rescue option and weapon weight is back…..wo hooo….” (and literally the conversation ends under a minute) compared to “Fire Emblem is now adding a My Castle Feature along with Fire Emblem Amie” (now that starts conversations).
The same amount of effort most likely went into the gameplay. Zero effort would be this all being one game, and just like awakening or FE7. Though I will admit, the only old mechanic I miss is light magic. Its kind of dumb that it still hasn’t been brought back at this point.
They’re not talking about mechanics because I feel they’re so clouded by how big Awakening was. And reintroducing all the good mechanics isn’t that bad. “Rescue, Weapon Weight, Durability and Light including the magic triangle is back…..wo hooo…..” but really “Now we can explain why this is such a good idea, how this can gear the series to a better future for the genre, to the Awakening/General newcomers why they should start getting to the core construct instead of making billions of forums about what they have in their castle’s and who are they going to marry for the next 3 generations.” People aren’t just seeing all the mechs as a whole. Instead, everyone else rather play dolly in a castle. And their’s plenty of other games for that.
I’m gonna tell something in the god damn island I live the only people I know are fans of Fire Emblem are me and my little brother thanks to Awakening well I actually I was a fan before but that was the first game I manage to get my hands on but I like the Awakenig formula! I can level grid swicht classes around and ship as much as I can. My brother after Awakening began to play the other games and liked them more. So don’t say things like that. People are people some like Awakening style more some not. You can’t make us like other things. And because people like me like to know more about your units in the games and love the My Castle doesn’t make us any different. And I love the fact weapons have no durability because it makes more sense I mean a sword breaking in 50 uses that’s dumb. If you don’t like My Castle don’t use it okay? Do other stuff I mean what’s that compared with the rest of what I’m sure will be an amazing game and didn’t even tried it yet so what do you know? Sorry about this whole rant but honestly you sound like a jerk who thinks people play for waifu/husbandos, ships, etc… That’s insulting to Awakening there’s a lot more to it and it’s fans than that it just happens to be the most talked thing because it’s fun to talk about because all the supports and the children and pair ups make it something people like to talk. I play it for FUN! That’s how it should be! Don’t try to change people! You like that better? Great! Moving on! One more thing that’s insulting to creator who worked harder than most to make these games they are trying to make them more entertaining and more modern just try to give people a chance. If I offended you in any way I’m sorry I’m just done with how certain older fans of FE act towards Awakening fans because they must be new or not like nothing but pairings and waifus/husbandos. So I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
It’s fine. I’m rather ignorant. Good you like what you like. Even if I’d forced beliefs on you. Awakening’s rather a good game. But it’s none of that, it’s not the devs. It’s just the fanbase. I mean, I had no problem with the characters until the fandom just became unpleasant. Look to narrow it down. I can agree to that, even if I thought Awakening was merely decent and not as great as the others. I don’t like where the series path is going down. I just hope it gets better, but with these mixed feelings with FE:If and most being on my bad side, I’m kinda losing it. I’m glad the the series isn’t dead, but I am disappointed.
If you don’t know fe is more about the characters more than stratigic gameplay, because there are a lot of other strategy games out there with or with out story.
Not really. Last time I heard, FE was built on Perma-death. I’m not sure if you’re talking about just Awakening. I’ve been doing both since I got my hands on the first Fire Emblem that came out to the west, but everyone apparently to Awakening fans, they had a hard time to even find a personality in a character to exist if they didn’t do a lot of support from FE7 through 12. Even me, but I still know Lute’s ego is –
[—————————————————————————————–] This big.
I just put the effort in.
Any game can have perm death. Duh dipshit it’s also called losing characters or soldiers, that doesn’t make it less irrelevant. Leave anything else backing up your claim.
Also good to know you only notice one character, but now a days we have the wiki and videos for that. The thing you must know for strategic games is that you must make a casual mode for new comers so that can learn how to play. Ps I’m also talking about fe franchise.
Basically you just don’t like Awakening because of the fandom am I getting this correct? I’m in for the story and mechanics plus from what you said I don’t see how it is any different from the other FE games besides the added features. Please be more elaborate because I’m sure the old FE games had support system and if I remember correctly one of the game had child system. Also, I want to hear how the series can get better from your opinion if there is nothing else they can do I can’t see what the harms in not having the added features.
Correct, but I’ll explain. I don’t like Awakening for many reasons (not for some of the things it gets right), the fandom takes the majority. People saying they’re Fire Emblem fans when they won’t give any older FE’s a chance, nor touch the Classic mode with 15 foot pole is one of them. But I can accept not everyone is going to try.
Another is when Awakening fans are biased and said that FE:A is the best in every way, e.g. I heard a story, someone was making poll questions with things like “Which character in the series best exemplifies the Dark Mage?” It gave a link to the poll site and had comments, full of weather Nergal or some other guy is better, but in the poll, Tharja was winning by a major amount and not a comment justified for her. Then poll was taken down cause it was pointless.
That obsessive ‘waifu’ fandom. I hear it commonly. I do like the anime art styles, and I don’t have a massive thing against the marriage system as it did bring good mechanics as it was used for, but the fandom taking advantage over the whole thing and the game even complete it with characters blushing. I have trust issues in the anime community. The previous game with a marriage system didn’t encourage and pander to the waifu crowd. See?
How the series could get better on my behalf. If I made FE:A, well… FE would probably die. Changing the common harassed things on Awakening would be a start, better story (maybe more darker), not as cliche characters like FE:A (Maybe add better artsyles that makes sense instead of having, the difficulty on Easy could be Casual mode, but Normal and higher would probably force them to play Classic while adding more mechanics the higher the difficulty (Normal: Weapon Durance, Hard: Magic Triangle, Weight, and etc), stronger maps, victory conditions, ability/Pair-Up nerfs and a lot of advertisement?
I know how much IS is formed around the getting newcomers to play while trying to keep the older and serious fans interested. Hence the whole White and Black Kingdom differences, but they can be better ways of warming a Casual player to start playing in Classics. Yet, taking out Weapon Endurance and etc, all I see is another Awakening game. I think about it, and I don’t like being like this biased FE character for all we know, I could be a scrub, but if I can accept that Awakening can save the series, I would at least like people to accept me.
It’s ok you people almost drove the series to death so I doubt they’d care about losing you. You people never brought them money anyway.
Mate, you okay there?
1. Fire Emblem was ‘C’ grade in Nintendo. The money was difficult to obtain either way. Remember why 12 didn’t sell and IS announced one more for the series. Not my fault since it wasn’t released in the west anyway.
2. If they didn’t care, explain Black Kingdom.
Wait for the sales in Japan. If Nohr flops, bye bye nostalgia freaks.
Massive hype, Waifu fandom getting two sets of characters, two games w/different stories? Nice b8, m8.
More like testing the waters to see if the hardcore fans are worth the time and effort. If it tanks go forth with the Awakening fandom since it brings in the money and less salt. Despite the advertised hardcore “Nohr” they still have to pander to Awakening fandom and hope it gets numbers close to Hoshido version.
Sorry for the extra comment, but I need to ask: what unpleasantness are you talking about? The only fans I’ve seen behave disgracefully so far has been the veterans who have a problem with the new additions and are busy attacking the newcomers, which is getting a bit ridiculous really. So I am genuinely curious.
I disagree. I’m not really into a lot of the Street Pass, face-touching, waifu stuff either. But from what we’ve seen, a lot of thought has gone into modifying how the class change works, how the skills work, how the weapons work; plus a version dedicated to having more difficult maps and more interesting mission objectives. I do think they are improving things all around.
I guess. And I could be biased, but hearing one side of the Fire Emblem fandom talk about touching face more than the main game in general concerns me on where IS is leaning the franchise.
On that, I am with you 100%. I personally would rather they didn’t add that. But I’m happy about some of the adjustments I’ve heard about.
This will probably come across as salty, though that is not my intention. It needs to be said however:
What else do they have to talk about? The maps they don’t know a thing about? The sparse few classes that have been revealed? The weapon system that has already been talked about and isn’t really something someone can discuss about in depth until they get their hands on the game? The characters are the only thing they can talk about without getting bored.
Players like yourself are all so quick to judge the side of the fandom that are genuinely interested in the characters and their motivations that you will sling any old accusation at them. Yet, if it weren’t for Awakening, the franchise would be gone. Worse, your accusations of the game becoming a ‘waifu simulator’ shows that you have no respect for the creators by degrading and insulting all the effort the creators went to in order to make the characters interesting and relevant in regards to the story instead of making them boring cardboard cutouts whose only purpose is to soak up damage. The extra mechanics are to keep things fresh and interesting.
Those same fans you insult are also generating more interest in the game through their fan art, fan fiction and posts. While the behaviour and comments of players like yourself is likely to drive new players away. So who exactly is hurting the franchise more?
They haven’t skimped on the maps, weapons, classes, etc, so what exactly is the problem here? You seem to be angry that a portion of the fandom is actually enjoying themselves. I find the face petting mechanic funny as hell because it’s not something I would’ve expected and think it was meant just for that-fun. It also means that you can annoy any unit that gets on your nerves as payback. Yes, it is weird, but it’s that same weirdness that will entertain plenty of players.
Essentially what you just said. To add on about the boring cardboard cut outs. Some don’t realize how stale some of these games were. Like the two flops of a DS games where only the main cast actually had a voice in the story. Any other side character was generic or barely talked outside of being recruited (hell, their epilogues were boring too and generic). FE 6 and 7 suffered less from this, but still I found it rather hard to care for some of my units as the game progressed and barely touched them after recruitment (Like the only reason why I kept Batre around was just so I could get Karla). FE 8 kind of softened this by adding the outerworld map, so you would be able to play with all your units even after the game and get their supports in. While I still criticize Awakening’s support system with letting every opposite gender unit support with each other (bar the select few) to the point where things become generic/badly written, Awakening still managed to surpass all previous titles when it came to its character interactions and given you a reason to train and strengthen all of your units. The prude-veterans honestly at this point need to accept Awakening as a game that saved their franchise and just roll with it, or just drop the series all together. Because if they do manage to create another FE down the line, I don’t see it reverting back to the classics like 7.
We can accept it saved the franchise, or maybe completely created a new, “Better Child” (Kill me, I know) but that won’t change us from loving what made Fire Emblem so great. And we have 12 games proved the best of Fire Emblem. Condemn me, I don’t care.
New FE generation has come. Get over it or leave we have a boat.
Thank you and I fully agree.
The thing is, it is the best way to get the player to actually care about their units. Give soldiers a personality and screen time and I guarentee the player will expend more effort to keep them alive. It’s an added incentive that works extremely well. How the veterans fail to see this is beyond me.
Then you are wrong about how they didn’t put enough effort into the game mechanics right? I think you should be less clouded about the fans and just play the damn game when it is out then we as a community will accept your opinion because I’m sure IS is definitely trying to attract both old and new FE fans.
As someone who likes his games to last quite a while after the main story is finished (be it in the form of MP, extras, etc.) and likes to immerse in games, this feature is like a Godsend. Sure, the ‘Amie-thing’ is quite silly and somewhat unnecessary (this comes from someone who NEVER used Pokemon Amie back in X/Y or ORAS), but it will be fun to try this time around. I actually can’t wait to 2016 for the american release, kind of makes me want to stop coming to this site to spoil myself.
I am just hoping no matter the support system that there is some beyond implied gayness. I just need like my ability to be gay and two people into men and two into woman.
I’m glad you’re trying.
Yeah, it’s basically why I’m biased. Other reasons like the “cliche characters, boring maps, bad written everything, overpowered units, too easy unless it’s above Hard blah blah”, but that’s been said and done before, but it can be improved. It’s just the fandom.
Are we going to get lookalikes for all the children in Awakening? Because it certainly looks that way now, thanks to Luna and this Inigo-expy. Perhaps these are the “callbacks to Awakening” they referred to?
Maybe we’ll get a Fox Spirit Yarn ?
“DON’T MESS WITH A KIT!!!”
There is such thing in the game called phantom cards were you can summon all old characters from old fe games so all the fe cast comes back but only as ghosts.
Oh. So it was lazy character design that inspired Luna. That’s just unfortunate. I’m really hoping to find out more about Crimson soon and I really wish they’d go ahead and state how much recruitment crossover there is between the games.
Of the 30 characters with official profiles, only 5 of them are available in both campaigns: Gunter, Felicia, Joker, Suzukaze and Cyrus.
Thanks. Where’s the link confirming this, though? It’s not that I don’t believe you I just want to check it out for myself.
It said so in the wiki, website, and famistu. Are you really that useless and lazy on getting the info?
Link or hush.
Are you seriously going to criticize others for laziness when you’re too lazy to check on this very website’s page for Fire Emblem: if characters?
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-if/characters/
Knock yourself out, lazy bum.
Yes, I am.
At this stage you shouldn’t really respond to them (if this long thread is any indication). I mean if they’re too lazy to look it up themselves even after a Mod tells them the answer then there’s no point. This is what I would like to call “A base” person, and not the good kind.
Thanks for the advice, but I think I’ll be fine.
Easy type in site that’s easy for you like wiki or check the link to the Japan’s site here. Again duh
Are you not including Aqua in that list?
If, Luna ends up being a “tsunderish” girl with inferiority complex over her mother, and the ingo look-alike is a “closet dancer”, i’ll agree with you, but so far, it seems Luna is more of the kind that compeeting for recognition of their superiors with it’s peers, so that’s maybe the “callback to awakening” like JohnWaluigui mentioned.
Their design is what I called lazy, not their personality.
You said character design, personality is included in the character, which lead to my reply, also, while i know that you must set your mind in doing it so this can happen, but you can finish awakening without ever meeting any of the “children” (besids Lucina). Stupid reason to do that, but i have heard worse before.
The design is typically just used for how a character looks or will look.
You can finish a bunch of Fire Emblem games without meeting a bunch of characters, but that doesn’t mean they were placed in sequels just because they could be missed.
Actually in this game you can unlock phantom cards that can be summon from previous titles and they have the same looks and personality but they are still ghosts.
As for Luna she is also voiced by the same jp voice actor that voiced severa so that means it’s a call back for awakening, another dimensions, or it’s running joke until for dlc. Duh
You see, what you all keep calling a callback, I see as laziness and a really poor joke.
If some one reuses a character and it’s voice actor means a call back from previous games I’ve If I’m correct developers did this before, besides severa is one of the few top characters people voted for in Japan. Duh again dumbass
Nope. That’s called being lazy and rehashing what you’ve done before.
I don’t really see how this apparent “laziness” is any different from the commonly used and repeated Fire Emblem archetypes and the way they tend to base new lords off of features that made older lords popular.
Using something as a base is not the same as copying and pasting exact ideas you had in the very last game you released.
Like I said they did on purpose, not copy paste. Also you do realize the fire emblem franchise reuses the same roles right dancer and lord blue hair right?
“Like I said they did on purpose, not copy paste.”
-headdesk + repeat-
Do you even understand what saying or are you going to deny and repeat the same thing? Because I have to say copy paste my comment as a counter argument is pretty lazy especially of a guy who can’t check for him Self.
I’m just waiting for a counter argument that amounts to more than “It’s lazy but I don’t care because I like it!”
First off “not” And second I don’t care about it , I just want to let you know your argument is wrong. Also it’s fanservice , now what else do you have in store for your counter argument? 🙂
“It’s wrong because it’s wrong.”
It’s wrong because you misunderstood the reason of it and called out lazy too easily. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat and copy?
I just realized that samsneeze is essentially calling it lazy . . . out of laziness.
I didn’t misunderstand anything. Making a character visually similar to the extent that they have is something I think is stupendously lazy.
See you did it again, it’s not lazy because when there’s a good reason for it. Like I said for you missunderstood the reason behind, besides you’ve seen all other characters they created so it’s pretty much ok say they know what they’re doing isn’t lazy. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat the same thing with out any understanding?
“there’s a good reason for it.”
Here’s the thing. I don’t think that’s a good reason for it. That’s the key that you keep missing.
Actually it is a good reason when you’re doing it for fans, besides like said before there is a magority of character that are acuatally different characters in the game so that it’s not a lazy idea and that’s the key meaning of what you’re not getting kid.
Elaborate. Explain the difference between having a character similar to Severa and having any of these:
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype
A lot of the characters have strikingly similar designs to others of their archetype, especially Cain and Abel pairs, but you’re not complaining about them. You know what else? If isn’t out yet. You know next to nothing about how this character will develop in the story. Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.
I’d like to see you present an argument beyond “they ‘reused’ this character and I don’t like that even though they’ve ‘reused’ characters before and I’ve been fine with that”, simply because you say the archetypes are just using “a base” even though they aren’t necessarily much less similar too each other than Luna is to Severa, and you aren’t even in a position to say Severa is Luna considering you haven’t read a single support conversation featuring Luna.
Please, be consistent. I can’t stand hypocrites.
When have I said that I was okay with them reusing characters before when they did it in previous games? Go ahead, I’ll wait.
The archetype page you listed was more about how characters class and growth rates are similar, not how the characters behave the same way, which they typically do not, and is something I never said they do. The characters’ designs are all visually distinguishable from one another unlike the Severa and Luna case who could be twins.
“Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and
having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.”
No, but it’s still lazy as hell to design a character that way. Anyway going back to what I originally said about all of this before you all started freaking out because someone doesn’t like something:
“Their design is what I called lazy, not their personality.”
Although you didn’t say you didn’t have a problem, you . . . are a Fire Emblem fan, and the archetypes are a pretty major part of the series. Saying that you think archetypes are too lazy is kind of like saying you think permanent deaths are too difficult or neon-colored hair is too unrealistic or that Anna shouldn’t appear anymore. I was under the impression that Fire Emblem fans generally like the things that make Fire Emblem Fire Emblem.
Additionally, many archetypes do have similar personalities and characterization. The Cain and Abel are made up of one hot-blooded and one even-tempered member, without fail. Camus is always an anti-villain reluctant to fight against the player but tragically has to be defeated anyway. The main lord tends to be a rather naive and innocent young royal, who matures some after the death of the Cornelius forces him (or occasionally her) to toughen up. The Nabarl is often pretty aloof if not outright antisocial and has some sort of complications involving romance in their past. The Michalis is defined by their ambitious nature and willingness to do anything for power. The Minerva is kind and polite, but often struggles with doing the right thing because she’s fighting against her own country/family. The Hardin is a noble person who ends up making a tragic face heel turn and has to be defeated by former friends.
I did not just list stats and growth rates. I listed traits of characterization.
If all you’re complaining about is the fact that the characters look similar, then I honestly don’t know why you felt it necessary to mention. A character’s depth is a lot more important than their sprite, and frankly, I can tell them apart effortlessly. Making a character look similar is a visual shorthand for saying “look, this is going to be a similar character”, which is why they have one red and one green cavalier with opposing personalities, why they gave Ike Hector’s hair, why they gave this character Severa’s frown and red pigtails, and why I can’t tell right away if I’m looking at a sprite of Roy or his father Eliwood. Making characters look like other characters is a useful writing tool, or trope, which you can read all about here:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy
They were well aware of the connotations of having a character that looked like and had the same voice actor as Severa, and they made the conscious decision to do it anyway. That’s not laziness. It required some thought and some research. These artists know what they’re doing; you don’t. Have a little faith in Intelligent Systems, please.
Also, I’m not “freaking out” because you “don’t like something”. I’m quite calm right now. I’m writing long replies because . . . that’s how I think, and that’s how I like to talk, and because you can’t interrupt me; I’m taking advantage of the fact that we’re communicating online and giving you all the evidence I can. As for why I’m replying in the first place . . . I really feel strongly about unfairness and I really respect Intelligent Systems and the development team, and you called them lazy when they’ve been working so hard to please the most unpleasable fanbase I’ve ever witnessed. It’s okay for you to not like something, but you’ve insulted these people and your viewpoint isn’t really standing on anything. That’s really mean. A lot of people in this fanbase seem to be pretty mean, unfortunately . . .
It’s not when it’s done on purpose, wow so you’re going to play denial and ignorant? You’re really not that smart aren’t you, because not knowing the difference between lazy and on purpose really shows that you’re going to be easy and fun to play with.
Duh dumbass. 😉
That’s still lazy even if it’s done on purpose. Rather than come up with something new, they reuse an idea because it was popular before.
That doesn’t count as lazy, see that what I’m taking about denial. They did because she was a voted popular character, in other words a call back for fans of her. Do you have anything better to reply with?
Nothing aside from that reasoning being kind of dumb and lazy.
Yes because you know much from the mind of a developer, japan, and the meaning of lazy. Have anything else to back you up on this instead of saying it? XD
Well, Severa was considered 7th best female on the character poll’s official site. But I do think Inigo was 6th best male, so that could be the reason why for the Inigo-alike. Doesn’t make sense since Owain hit 2nd best male. So why an Inigo’s look alike was chosen and not Owain could be laziness, or the fact that Owain is so good, you can’t replace/copy that. We can’t be entirely sure until an FE14 interview. Please stop bashing each other.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
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dang im jealous all the girls in this have six packs o.0
So we have a blonde fox boy, a pink haired girl named Sakura, and a dark hired girl names Hinata… Subtle.
It just occurred to me to ask, but will Fire Emblem If be compatible with the current 3DS XL? I really don’t want to have to buy the ‘new’ 3DS XL if I can avoid it.
Also, I am wondering about the inclusion of the Awakening kids in the campaign. Was Severa really that popular to be included in this as a ‘new character’? Because it didn’t seem that way to me. I also happen to dislike her so my bias may be colouring my perception, but I don’t recall many people calling her anything but bratty. Inigo I can understand, but Severa? (I swear to effin’ God if this touchpad autocorrects Inigo to Indigo one more time-) was Severa popular overseas?
Yeah, Severa was more popular in Japan . . . her supports did a better job of emphasizing that she was well-intentioned and kind, I think.
I mean I actually liked Severa but to answer your question she, BEHIND Lucina, was voted as the best second generation female character in the Japanese polls. I cant really say im mad that there basically putting her back in as a new character but i also don’t think its nessecary to have her and this “Inigo” like guy in the game.
it’s compatible with the original 3ds models, yes
Since the box doesn’t says “New Nintendo 3DS” like the Xenoblade one , i guess the will be compatible with any 3DS.
Here are the results of the popularity contest in japan
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
I was reluctant to acceptem, but it seem (at least with Luna so far) that they will have different personalities, i guess they are fine to bring them again, since i didn’t recruit all of the children in Awakening… but i’ll be sad if Kjelle is a femnazi again.
Firstly, I will say that all of the reveals for these characters are great. I’m hoping we see some more laguz/bestial unit types(varying genders, please).
Additionally, for the clone-crying argument, Severa has a few things going for her in terms of her appearance in this game; different world/universe or not.
Dimensional gates/time travel -are- a thing. How else would the children have gotten to Awakening’s timeline?
There were an overwhelming amount of complaints with regard to not being able to get her with red hair like her mother’s, too. Granted that’s a ridiculous reason to put her in If, but still. Like any other Fire Emblem game… You don’t even have to use her, or talk to her.
Either way, she’s just one character out of an entire cast (many of which I adore, design-wise, on both paths). I didn’t love her in Awakening, but I didn’t hate her either. I will say that I could relate to her on account of the “pressure of living under a parent’s shadow” backstory hook.
Two rules about people called Zero;
1. They’re always cool.
2. If I’m wrong, refer to rule 1.
…You mean they are huge and lame Mary Sues?
“u mad?”
You must not play competitive Smash.
ZeRo isn’t Zero. Shush.
Or they’re this guy. In which case they’re just a jerk preventing a time paradox.
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg93/Muzzae/999/Zero2.jpg
Ingo and Owain theories in 3 … 2 … 1 …
i was starting to melt waiting for leaks xD
Gonna be honest here… not too happy with the personalities for another three characters being essentially the same as children characters from Awakening. At least if Pieri isn’t a total wimp outside of her violent episodes, I guess that could work, but it’s not really indicative of hard work on IS’s part. I mean, Awakening only came out a few years ago… at least use a game that’s older or be more subtle about it.
Still can’t wait for the game to come out otherwise, though.
We need a new Ilyana.
Well, ideally I would just have original or at least new concepts…
Oh no! three characters who haven’t had dialogue and I’m already whining wahhhhh!!!>you
Well too bad, the Japanese players love it so they come first.
I guess that’s fair. I usually keep in mind that Intelligent Systems and Nintendo primarily produce for a Japanese audience, so they’ll mostly if not entirely cater to those demands. For me personally, there’s not really any added value, but I’ll see how they end up. *shrug* Like I said, I’m still getting the game. I’m still excited, just not equally excited for all characters and aspects. I think that’s reasonable.
I doubt this is anything smart I bet the designer just sucks at his job. I can’t believe they only thought of this guy when honestly awakening didn’t have the best character design. I’m a massive awakening fan too, I’d say it’s my fav game in the series but character design wasn’t perfect for sure.
What a character designer draws is based on specific instructions from their directors – the character’s personality and a general idea what they may look like. They then draw drafts and submit them for feedback. If the drawings are approved, they are used in the game. These designs are as planned and deliberate as Marx and Ryouma’s designs. There is a reason they look the way they do.
Thank you! Finally some says something reasonable about it!
I assume they were told to make AWakening clones of popular characters as it could help Nohr sales.
I wouldn’t doubt that, that makes sense. Since white version is obviously the version awakening fans should be buying they need a hook to get them to spend money on the same game.
Just will say there are so many things wrong with that statement as that’s not how the character design process actually works.
Oh shut the fuck up already. They are popular voted characters so of course it’s called fan service.
Lol, I love the characters but do we really need clones of them. Hell could have just thrown them in as spot pass or DLC characters. It just shows how they are likely saving money on their budget by reusing models from awakening.
Using Spot Pass would save money on their budget. Drawing a redesign to have them as Nohr characters costs money. Writing entirely new support conversations to flesh them out as characters in this game costs money. The developers put time, effort and money into inserting these characters special into FE:if, and they did it for the fans who adore these characters.
Not really since Odin a dark mage plus the face and foot model looks better in IF compare to Awakening so you can’t say they use the same model. Plus I think they got some sort of reason for having these clones that may be plot relevant. Also, the clones you mention are from Nohr side I don’t know if you can recruit them in Hoshido but yea.
PS. Saving money by reusing model sounds good but I think the DLC would solve that problem already with having to buy either or both FE IF gams.
1: if they put it on street pass then the only difference is they would be abated scraps.
2: they put them in there for fanservice.
3: how’s a budget make it any different.
Duh dumbass.
People have already explained why the idea that it was not on purpose makes no sense but the character descriptions should tell you that it was deliberate anyway – they basically describe Inigo and Owain to a T. This was done deliberately, not accidentally or because someone is too lazy to design new characters. Whether you like that or not is another thing but this wasn’t a coincidence.
all around me are familiar faces…….. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Please Im hoping they’re just descendants arg. Im cool if im that Odin guys great great grandpa or wutever but if not thats just laziness.
It’s because they were voted popular characters in japan. Also in fire emblem there are different worlds in the out realm gate.
I bet you 3rd path DLC is in the code too because this game was obviously early on in development just intended to be massive but then someone said “make that money split it up. “
They are but aren’t selling us the same game three times. It’s kind of frustrating to think about.
Yah they are, no new animations or new models outside of cut scenes. It’s all in the code of the game, on the enemy lines and all that. I’m still holding onto hope that in the west like the special edition they will just put everything onto one cart.
Welp, I finally am starting to warm up to this game. As a decade+ long fan of series, all I had to do was drop my expectations for this game to absolute zero. I’m not really excited for it nor do I think it’ll be as great as pre-Shadow Dragon games were as a Fire Emblem game. But as a mobile-generation-friendly game, it’ll be a cute game to play satisfy the anime nerd in me.
“When equipped with a forged weapon whose name is written with 8 kanji, critical rate +10.” interesting… does this mean any random kanji characters will do? and i wonder how will this translate to the international versions….
A weapon with 13+ characters?
Darn. For a second there, I was hoping the capture feature was gonna be the method of recruiting characters from the other team.
Umm…That’s exactly what was said, wtf?
“Captured enemies can then be recruited to your army by successfully scouting them with resources or by persuading them.”
IMO it would have been amusing if they all had polar opposite personalities as the children they’re based off of. If they told Yusuke to do this then it’s not his fault. But if this was all Yusuke’s idea then they should have gotten someone else to do the designs (or at least someone to oversee him) So I won’t give him any flack until I know what’s going on (though things usually point to the former than the latter, as in they tell Yusuke what to do. Because seriously, designers don’t just run out of character ideas. If that’s the case then they draw ideas from other characters that aren’t from their work, they don’t just reuse their own designs unless they’re made to…or they’re like the vast population of Deviantart (or they’re just completely full of themselves and just lazy beyond belief….and I doubt Yusuke goes into that category)
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I see what you’re getting at but I need words
This is not something new. Nor is it the worst case. Fire Emblem games have dozens of examples of reusing desings.
I’ve been around the franchise since 6, what you’re saying isn’t new to me.
wow look at you and how cool you are. no one cares how long you’ve been in the fandom
So I originally gave you this long ass response but then I realized….you’re an anon. You didn’t even set up your account….so yeah, you don’t even care enough to get notifications about this to respond back (unless I’m confusing it with guest accounts). I really don’t need to explain myself to you. If you’re dumb enough to think I was gloating with my previous statement, you are horribly wrong.
Oh well… two units that i might not use…
finally… another update lol, i waited about 4 days, which is about 96 hours, which is about 5760 minutes, which is about 345600 seconds… lol. But man, the capture thing is pretty cool.
If i can capture revenants and the like, i’m sold!
If Pieri is based on Noire, then that debunks the whole Awakening popularity poll idea.
Well, Pieri doesn’t look like a direct clone like Luna and the others, and FE is no stranger to characters having overlapping quirks. We’ve seen countless different characters who are all flirts (Sain, Virion, Gatrie) and characters who are young but don’t want to be babied (Rolf, Ricken, Tsukuyomi). Split personality could be a rising new archetype.
That’s true as well. I had actually not looked at the picture of Pieri prior to my previous comment, and I assumed that Lazwald was the only one of the three to have an actual picture.
These Awakenibg lookalikes look interesting,but most people are gonna complain at the sight if anything similar to Awakening,too bad most FE fans are whiners who hate progress and anything new! Anyway, I’m loving these character designs! I think Kozaki is FE at this point! He’s the best artist they’ve ever had!
I’m just worried because (like Awakening before it) with these lookalikes and amiibos, all I’m going to be concerned about is getting the previous games’ characters…. which kind of sucks for the new story.
But then again, maybe not…
Are you saying that reused character designs and personalities are progress/anything new
They’re not
That capture function is freaking awesome. My dungeon will be overfull!! ^_^
Owain was my favorite character in FEA but it was his uniqueness that made half his awesome… now he gets a ^%@#%* clone.
Of course, if it really turns out that the three are actually the same three from FEA, modestly reclassed with the help of some Second Seals and also after a jaunt through the Outrealm Gate, ala Camus/Zeke/Sirius, then I’d be all for it (not entirely happy because that’s still lazy writing to keep the “public” “happy” but still better than making up a soulless clone)…
…And thus, another FanFiction is born! Also, some head-canon but that goes without saying. Hey, we all need intricate ways to stomach the post-shark-jump games. 😉
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Well of course they’re going to make copies because they’re popular in japan.
Who is Zero? Does anyone have a description or a profile for him??
Zero ?
this one xD ?
I’d just like to point out the fact that at the end of Awakening, if Severa, Owain, and Inigo are NOT married, they ALL set off on their own journies. They no longer stay in Ylisse/Altea. So, it is quite possible that their journies all led to the same place and they all ended up working for Nohr. Maybe they’ll have support conversations together that hint at them knowing each other.
Or it’s just a way to get the newer players to buy the Nohr side, because newcomers to a franchise tend to gravitate towards game where they see familiarity. Either way, I’m a little miffed that they’re doing this, but I doubt it’ll affect the gameplay or story that much.
Also, why is everyone comparing Pieri to Noire. In her screenshot, she seems to be quite a cheerful person. It might be that on the battlefield, she becomes downright murderous. Not insane, note the wording. It’s “violent.” Which means that she could be the type that snaps into a “drill sergeant” sort of person on the field, and downright obliterates enemies.
Just my two cents on the matter.
Hopefully I’m remembering this correctly, but in one of the earlier interviews it was said that If is in another setting entirely/not the same world as Awakening. If we are talking coincidence it may just be an AU, but it isn’t the same world. I’ll see if I can find the link again and post back. May take a while as my laptop is getting its hard drive replaced, so I will try to find it manually.
Different worlds are moot point since the Outrealm Gates exists. In fact I’m almost certain these three are just the beta timeline kids who went adventuring through the Gate after Awakening.
What if they’re the kids from the main timeline and because they knew what the names of their kids was going to be from Lucina’s timeline they decided to name them something else?
I don’t mind the look-alike characters so long as they’re enjoyable to use. The roster is going to be huge regardless anyway.
I feel like the blue lining around the steps points to a sort of tile-based movement scheme. You know, in reference to Fire Emblem.
I don’t know if this is an SMT thing, but in the new screenshot the clouds in the sky are being held up by ropes/cables/etc. Maybe it’s a play since we know that school is involved…
Come on. At least Pieri’s a unique character. Why are people trying to peg her as something else?
I’m definitely miffed at the 3 clones we’ve got; looks like 3 Uriah gambits, now.
lol i get the whole argument of “Their not original,” and blah blah but can someone explain to me how this is lazy character designing… honestly we don’t know the reasons for why they were put in the game… it could’ve been just to pay homage to the top ranked kids from Awakening. How does that make you lazy? Like everyone is complaining over 3 characters and we have yet to see how they even play out in regards to the plot…
So out of all of this there’s only one thing I care about….Odin has a pretty good bod for a Dark Mage and he wears an open-chest shirt. At this point I hope his official art has him wearing those spandex legging things for dem leg muscles.
Seems so much like SMT4 for 3DS. i mean, it is in HD but seems almost the same.
Hello. I apologize if someone already brought this up, and I missed it. Just the three of the four main characters have a color in their names, correct? Does anybody else think the color is correlated to the Four Mythic Beasts in mythology? You know: Red Phoenix, Blue Dragon, White Tiger, Black Turtle? Maybe. Or maybe it’s just me. Thank you.
I SERIOUSLY need to stop spoiling myself. Can’t wait to 2016, hopefully the american version is both campaings in 1 cartridge, but my hopes are slowly falling to the shadow realm…
I’m going to be too busy petting the wolf-guy (he dresses pretty snazzy if that image is any indication) than doing other stuff quite honestly. I am curious about that puppeteer class though with what weapons they use.
just a question is this the famitsu leak ?
no
ty mate 😀
Well, I like the fact they’re going all out with the minerals. My my FE, you’ve grown up exceptionally well since when I first played you years ago….wait. I guess I can’t say that because apparently to a certain someone I’m being conceited.
Man. This seems so much different from any other FE game. More like a regular RPG. Not that it’s a bad thing. The main battles are still FE, and the Castle adds a whole new level of awesome. Makes the game different and more fun.
I wonder if instead of talking to named enemies in battle to get them to join your side, as in previous games, maybe you have to capture them? I suppose it’s more a throwback to FE5 than it is a new broadening of detail. It does make way more sense than “Hey, you look mopey. Why don’t you join our side? We have cookies. ^_^ “
guaranteed, this is going to be one of the ways to recruit certain characters.
humm what about the 7 new character profiles ??
Well. only 1 was new – Zero.
Others are – Pieri, Lazward, Odin, Orochi, Charlotte, Benoit.
Info on 3 of them was covered here
https://serenesforest.net/2015/06/09/fire-emblem-famitsu-11th-june-leak-familiar-faces/
Others – on main website (also, translated long time ago, too lazy to find it)
i knew all that already but ty anyway ^^ i think i just hoped for new ones like the blue haired maid xD or the ones in the trailer that we dont know about
There is always next week. Or maybe 2.
or maybe til 25 or 26 of june
Actually I think the “weapon” stat is a counter for forges and only so many times a weapon can be forged.
After watching the video.. Skills are locked to classes but.. Going off assumption; Galeforce was locked down to the Pegasus Knight class tree, and from what we’ve seen, Nohr doesn’t have any. would this mean that Nohr Players will not have access to galeforce?
I seriously doubt they will bring back galeforce
They could also make it a character specific skill that’s available to both campaign.
Perhaps the reference to the stars is something that will be explored more in the dlc story, as no matter where we live or who we fight for: we all see the same stars?
The Kanji for Star Dragon can be read as seiryu, and Seiryu is the Azure Dragon of the East.
I was going to buy the face-plates, and had plans to ever since the announcement.
Just realized they aren’t for the XL, and the XL is the only one available to me, and the foreign systems have region lock.
Damn it.
fucking dio brando is going to be in this game
I’m glad to see they’ve implemented the internet to visit other players and castles. Otherwise myself and many others who are not so lucky with the streetpass function would be up shit creek without a paddle. ☺️
This is going to be one hell of a long game and I’m looking forward to its release on this side.
He may not be the best lord in the series, but when it comes to Smash Bros. Roy IS our boy!
So… Nintendo/Sakurai says that they won’t include Chrom because he will be too similar to the already existing FE characters (i. e. Marth and Ike), then they bring back the OG Marth clone. *claps slowly*
I’m not too excited for Roy to be honest, but hopefully they’ll change his moveset entirely. And now that I think about it, MAYBE Chrom might have an appearence as an alt costume for Roy, who knows.
The data in the patch included all of the alt costumes and the B special moves. All of Roy’s costumes are palette swaps and all of his specials are the same as Melee. Just like mewtwo, he isn’t any different. I just hope he has a unique final smash and not the same critical hit as Marth and Lucina.
Oh, that was leaked too? Welp, poor Chrom, maybe next century. Even the specials are the same? Man… hopefully, as you said, he has another Final Smash.
Just saw his Final Smash trophy was leaked too. It has the same health bar as the Critical Hit, but instead of a straightforward lunge it looks more like a big arcing hit.
That would be a reference to his critical hit with the eponymous Binding Blade.
He’s been slightly Luigified.
I always liked Roy in Melee, so I’m really glad they brought him back for 4.
However, it would make more sense if it was, say, Lyn/Hector/Elliwood from Blazing Sword, Binding Blade was never released in the West.
Any of those 3 would have been fine. Considering the fact that Lyn is already in the game as an assist trophy, that leaves Eliwood and Hector.
Oh the fanart that’ll happen now…. lol
At least now Roy and Ike can fight… XD
I wonder if this means Roy will also be an amiibo unit for Fire Emblem if.
Granted, it’ll most likely still be near impossible to get.
Most likely.
ROY’S OUR BOY! ROY’S OUR BOY! ROY’S OUR BOY!
Definitely getting that amiibo. If I could have only one, it’d be that one.
Great….another amiibo for them to be short of stock on.
At least some of us will appreciate where the character comes from…
And that some of us have actually played that game? XD
*pretends to be surprised at the announcement*
Since Roy’s getting amiibos too, does that mean we can look forward to Roy appearing in Fire Emblem If as well….?
Probably an update for the Japanese version; bet compatibility will be shipped with the Western release.
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Our boy got an updated costume. This is great!
Here’s the trailer guys, with no overlays! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbex-SbtF80 (#FireEmblemFates flashes on screen a few times but otherwise, no distractions).
The lyrics sound off and I think Garon is Troy Baker. I’m loving what we see of Aqua. She seems to be quite interesting beyond being a MacGuffin girl.
Garron is actually Travis Willingham same voice as Lon’qu and Brady from Awakening.
Yeah, I realised after posting that that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I still think Troy Baker’s in though, as Ryouma or Marx – I thought it was the latter but now I’m hearing Roger Craig Smith, which is strange since he hasn’t done any Japanese games before this to the best of my memory.
Matt Mercer is Ryouma. I’m 99% sure.
Don’t you mean Marx (no, I will not call him Xander)?
I’m also fairly certain Takumi was Ben Diskin.
(can’t get used to ‘Xander’, too. Why didn’t they make him Marcus or Max or idk…why Xander)
Nope, at first I thought it was Marx but there’s a moment with Ryouma (1:02) and his voice really sounds like Matt Mercer… Though on the other hand, there are two quotes when Ryouma and Marx are shown: “once and for all” one and “no more kings to the death”(? I’m not a native speaker so I’m not sure I didn’t mishear this part).
The first one sounds like something Marx would say, and it’s Mercer’s voice. Ryouma says the other part most likely referring to his late father (the guy killed in trailer ofc). BUT THEN I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH VOICE IS ACTUALLY HIS BECAUSE LATER AT 1:02 RYOUMA SCREAMS AND THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MATT MERCER.
So I’m not that sure anymore.
Ryouma said: “No more games; it’s a fight to the death!”
oooooh…..well now it makes sense lol
Yeah, I noticed just after posting this that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I can hear Troy Baker in Ryouma though. I thought he was Marx but now he sounds to me like Roger Craig Smith – strange because he hasn’t done anything Japanese in my memory before.
Looks like we aren’t getting two versions in the west! yay
Don’t speak too soon. They didn’t reveal that there would be two versions initially in Japan, so they’ll probably do it the same way for the WW release.
I’m just saying this is the 3rd trailer they didn’t show it for in the west. This seems like the trailer to do it and explain it to consumers. They still could but I think we’ll find out more in the tree house or in a press release this week.
There will be two versions of the game, according to a Nintendo press release.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZS1SRO2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XYCX1YAEDVKG&coliid=I1W7F6HWRV38BG Nintendo really is trying to make this confusing.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/16/fire-emblem-if-becomes-fire-emblem-fates-in-the-west.aspx
Yes we are :/ At least the developers earned it. Special Edition here I come…
That’s sad and odd given Amazons listing with http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZS1SRO2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XYCX1YAEDVKG&coliid=I1W7F6HWRV38BG
my money is ready and waiting >_< i hope we get collector edition tooooo!!
Interesting that the main mirages shown are Shiida, Cain and… Chrom. I mean, shouldn’t the main character have Marth to complete the pattern?
Well, Chrom deserves a bone after the whole Smash fiasco.:)
Yeah, Sakurai made him into a joke. It’s nice to see that Atlus is giving him the love he deserves.
We still don’t have a detailed release date? Jesus, I’m dying of overhype.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/16/fire-emblem-if-becomes-fire-emblem-fates-in-the-west.aspx
We’re getting two versions + DLC too guys :/
Well, at least the developers earned the split. Special Edition here I come!
Looks like special edition for me, I need to know like as soon as pre-orders go up.
We’re getting two versions + DLC just like Japan guys:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/16/fire-emblem-if-becomes-fire-emblem-fates-in-the-west.aspx
So possibly Matt Mercer as Ryoma and Travis Willingham as Garon. Interesting.
Takumi also sounds a bit like Liam O’Brien but I’m not sure.
Honestly, this looks to be a fun spin-off.
I know the whole “idol” thing will turn some people off, but I’m even more curious to see what this game takes from Fire Emblem.
It does look fun! Thankfully, I’ve not been paying enough attention to new things in Japan to get sick of the idol thing, and I think it could be pretty neat. Not sure what it’ll be like, but given the people involved, hopefully it’s not gimmicky and actually makes things better.
How large is the DL size for Black Kingdom and third route? I only have the original 2GB mini SD card, wondering whether to change or not.
probably about 2+ GB so its better to get a new one
Welp. :/
How do you move data to the new card, just copy/paste?
You basically pop the old SD card into your laptop, then copy everything onto the laptop, take out the old SD card, put in the new one and transfer it on. This should help if you are stuck, I got my 25GB SD card working immediately and hasn’t done me any wrong.
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Support/Nintendo-3DS-2DS/Usage-/SD-Cards/Transferring-data-between-SD-Cards/Transferring-data-between-SD-Cards-826530.html
i dont know, just try to search online for the procedure.
Pretty sure one route by itself was more than 2 GB
Oh dear, my 4gb card needs an upgrade…
outstanding analysis! u pointed out a lot of things i didnt even think of!! now i want the games more than ever…! play them till my brain burns! one thing i noticed, the lake Aqua seems to be in is Hoshidan territory…looking at the trees, its the kind u see in Japan oriented places
Cue the people complaining about it still being split. It honestly doesn’t matter, even if it was sold as 1 game you would still have to pay to play the other path so the only thing that your ”missing out on” is choosing what side you want to be on in-game, unless you get it digitally.
I swear I have to freaking edit this to make my stance clearer:
I know, its like they just totally overlook that fact. If somehow it was put all on one cartridge, the price would still be around the same in purchasing both games (as in one physical copy + the downloaded version…..GOD!!), compared to buying “Wanted One” (with all that content being jammed on there). So as you said, along with its unfathomable that people want Fate to not only be cheap, but also having 2 (3 if you count the third path tba) completely different games on one….for the price of one, rather than settling for 3 games for the price of 2. Not that anyone is required to actually play through more than the copy they bought.
Again, I’d really love to see how one version would cost the same as both versions. I could see it costing more, but you’ll have to explain instead of just pulling nonsense out of thin air.
No one is pulling nonsense dude. If it was being sold as 1 copy where you make the choice in game, you would still have to buy the other path if you wanted to play the other side. There’s no way Nintendo would condense it into 1 game for like 60 or so dollars where you can choose both paths in that single game. But there is literally no point in arguing about it since it’s already confirmed to be sold the same way in the west as Japan.
I’ve been reading about this since yesterday, and I’m tired of this. Let Nintendo do whatever they pleases, it’s obious that the player is the last of their worries. And I’m sorry if someone thinks that I’m an intruder, since I’m not even part of this comunity.
I’m from latinamerica, I started playing Fire emblem with the ones on the GBA, I liked them a lot more than tactics ogre or FF tactics, the mechanics, the characters, the story. And I can’t really argue with people who has played the ones that only were released in Japan, since I haven’t played those, and I’ve played only the ones that came here.
I know Nintendo and Intelligent Systems must have put everything they got, to get the FE franchise out of the frier, since Awakening was supposed to be the last and all that. but it seems to me that because of the outcry for the split, this might actually turn into dust everything they acomplished with Awakening, and fates would probably be the last FE, they make, or they could even stop localizing it in the west.
Now as for me, I won’t buy it, and not because I would rather see FE cancelled forever before it gets too casual, or because the waifus, or I didn’t liked the my castle feature, or something like that. I think that everything that serves to save it from oblivion is welcomed, if a guy, or a girl want to play casual, or phoenix, we’re nobody to tell them how to play, that’s stupid, if it helps to save the franchise, and the developers handle these new perks and features well, I think those changes are welcomed.
But, as I said before, I’m from latinamerica, and Nintendo of America, forgets about us all the time. In my country, one single 3DS game can cost 80 – 90 USD, this are going to be two separate games, okay, fine, “if you buy one phisical, you can download the other one for 15 usd”. Sorry but no, on my country that other path is going to be at least 40 USD, (if not 50). And then there is the third route, let’s suppose that there goes another 40 dollars. This game(s) is already more expensive than a home console game from any company. And what if in your country you don’t have access to the e-shop, then if you want these games, your only choice is gettin them phisical, and the discount? who cares? Not to Nintendo obiously, not to mention that in those places there won’t be a way to play the thrid route.
Why am I sying this, because it’s the truth, the game looks fantastic, but if I support this practice, they might turn this into the standard practice for future FE games, and our region is not getting more prosperous exactly. What would be a good way to solve this, at an international level, I don’t know. For me it will be to skip this one and wait for the next, if there is a next after fates.
I should have scrolled down before I posted further up as most of the foreseeable problems are things you mentioned, the price point issue in other countries in even greater detail (I had honestly forgotten that the Eshop isn’t supported in some countries). Sorry to hear games cost that much for you, here I am whining about paying 10 dollars more in Canada.
Sorry for the faulty grammar, I’m still learning english. I agree with you too, Nintendo is really making a leap of faith with this game. This move, the split, if it’s executed wrong, it can kill this franchise for us, and even though I would really like to defend the game, Nintendo makes things really hard for us, their fans, I simply hope for the best with this game.
I would explain, but a lot of it is common sense by looking back at how previous games were handled along with the information we have of “2 main routes and 1 DLC routes, each “supposedly” the length of Awakening” So three full fledged FE-length games being the price of one…..Nintendo isn’t gaining any profit from that with the amount of time they spent on all three routes (especially with the extra content AKA My Castle they added). Its the option fans want, but face it, Nintendo, like any company, looks out for themselves in ways to make themselves money.
Ah screw it, I’m going to just state myself, these are the variables:
If Fate is being sold for $40
“All three routes have just the same amount of content as Awakening”
-Awakening had 25 main-route chapters (I swear to god the only thing that turn me away from fate is if either side’s chapter count isn’t greater-than-or-equal to 25) and was sold for $40
Fate = Awakening in content
The first 6 chapters are the same in Hoshido and Nohr
19 entire chapters that are different from one-another (with their own individual cut-scenes and everything. Different maps, characters, etc.)
In retrospect, without a discount, the opposite route should be $30.4 if the first 6 chapters are excluded as they’re the exact same as its counterpart.
So full price of the two games (statistically) would be $70.4 (if we treated this as an equation and things were divided evenly).
But a copy of White & DLC Black visa-versa actually costs $60 (40+20 which is the discounted price).
Final Verdict:
Getting both games is around $10 cheaper than it was supposed to be. If you get all three, keeping the equation going. Actual retail value is $100.8, but its being sold for $20. So its $80 if you want to buy all three routes ($20 cheaper than its actual value). So yes…..let Nintendo put something that should be sold at $100 retail value all on one single ds card and sell it at a price that doesn’t reflect its actual cost *heavy sarcasm*
This is why content-wise, having to pay 60 for 2 or 80 for 3 versions of the game is better than paying the above. Anything cheaper is a slap in the face to Nintendo and its like they shouldn’t get back money that represents the time they spent on this game.
Not disagreeing with what you said but why did you keep referencing Konami?
lol I didn’t notice that. I’ve been jumping back-and-forth between Yugioh and Fire Emblem all day I got the two messed up. Thanks for that because I honestly would have kept on saying it ^_^
Thank you. I’m just so tired of people bitching about ”how it ruins their experience since they make the choice before they play the game” or ”how 15$ is way too expensive” even thought it’s been stated multiple times that each side is practically it’s own game with enough content to warrant the price. I can’t tell if people are being greedy, or they just don’t like how Nintendo is selling this, but from the standpoint from the consumer and the business; the price and the way it’s being sold is perfectly fine, even if say 10$ would be the price everyone wants.
“You’d still have to pay?” Great job on pulling that out of your ass.
I’d gladly pay a little more to have both stories on one cart, but two versions is just BS.
Marx is renamed Xandar in the translated first stage playing on Treehouse atm.
so is this the only choice we make in this game? it’s interesting that no one asked nintendo during interviews,etc about this matter
don’t like american aqua 🙁
I think I love Fire Emblem enough (and this game is radical enough) for me to buy both versions…
Well, here’s to hoping they’ll do a special package over here the same way they did in Japan…
same here…special package is the dream of every hardcore lover of fire emblem :3
Corrin and Xander will take time to get used to, but I’m glad Felicia and Hinoka remain the same!
And now, Fire Emblem takes inspiration from the Pokemon universe! Next: Character Trading?
Already kinda got that. In the “My Castle” preview, it appears as if you can buy characters from other players through StreetPass/SpotPass.
Fire Emblem-amie.
It’s already in.
https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MyCastle-000.jpg
-Charade making the choice between both factions as a major selling point of the game.
-Remove making the choice at all from the game by locking the player into a path in two separate games.
-Choice now made in stores instead of in game.
Way to add to the story there, moneybags.
Wow, the transformers actually get a promotion, that I didn’t expect. Also you got to appreciate the thought they put into these class designs.
I want Optimus Prime as DLC now.
Edit: Nevermind.
I want to know if thief, swordmaster and assasssin are returning classes in this game!
Theif is now a bow using unit, swordmaster is back with the name trueblade, and assassin appears to be gone, although hopefully the jonin functions like an assassin.
Aqua is singing: You are the ocean’s great waves, destined to see life beyond the shore, just out of reach, yet the waters ever change, flowing like time, the waters, yours to try.
Not as sure about that last part since it is hard to hear over the arrows.
Thanks. I couldn’t make it out myself. And I think you have that last part correct.
These most likely arent all the classes, as i counted 54, 55 if Dark Prince and Dark Princess are counted separately, plus 56 with Aqua. Assuming Aqua promotes, that makes it 57. If Mikoto and Garon have unique classes too, then its 59. The June trailer said over 60, so unless that includes enemy-only units, then there must be a couple more we havent seen yet.
These look amazing. It makes me excited to see the class sketches in the art book for this game – I loved them in Awakening’s book, I bet this book’s sketches will be awesome too.
im honestly not to impressed with the american dub haha on the brightside though at least i was correct in assuming Ryoma was gonna be played by matthew mercer ;p
I feel Bow is just useless now. What’s the point of using a Bow on a Flying unit if it has a tome or sword and the Weapon triangle reduces Bows accuracy and other stats.
Because it’s still effective on flying units, so you’ll probably still kill. And its even stronger on lance wielding flyers.
True but you’ll still likely miss a Swrd FalcoKnight, but most fliers now are more prone to Magic weakness. Wyverns can still survive a hard Bow shot and retaliate with a Javelin just a bit less. Revenant Knight is a Wyvern rider with an Axe or Tome, making either it either miss and retaliate hard or below average on this class. Most of the best lance units like Knights, Generals, Paladins etc. But their all high Def units. Only the Pegasus Warriors will have trouble, but Butler, Ninja’s and other couple of hidden Weapon users I bet will use Swords, thus beating Bows… again.
I’m thinking about this a little to deep.
hmmm so setsuna is not the blue maid okey im starting to think blue maid is actualy not important or it is important but a character like philia in awakening lolz
Or she’s a character that appears only in Nohr. And IS really dosen’t care about Nohr.
Why would they not care about one of the 2 versions?
I think because most of the updates are in Hoshido [e.g. there are more new classes in Hoshido and the cultural stuff revolves more in Hoshido].
[whisper: andAqua’salwaysinwhiteinthetrailersahaha]
Most of the characters that were shown are either Hoshido only or appear in both versions so maybe it’s less don’t care about and more appealing to what’s more popular with japanese audience which is Hoshido (Obviously).
Good god! I’m not sure if Asama’s hair is supposed to be the equivalent of a fro. Either ways, his bio makes him sort of hippie’ish so I guess the hair goes with the personality.
Man. This almost doesn’t seem like a FE game. 8D In a good way. Some people that have been long time fans may not like the change, but I’m interested in what this means for the franchise. FE has always (well, except for a certain Ike) had royalty at it’s center point, with the avatar playing as either a background character, or not being present at all. FE:A started to tip the balance with Robin being a major plotpoint, but still have Chrom and the others as the ‘main’ characters. In this game, you play both parts. Main character, avatar, and who knows what they’re going to do for tactician. XP
9/9/9/9 … What prevented even one of them from a 10?
Maybe because they made the games in 2 different editions? Thats still a factor.
Anyone find it suspicious they didn’t show off Aqua’s class?
Aqua is a singer ! She can sing (well duh !) for the other units so they can fight twice and she also uses a spear ! It’s similar to Olivia’s class in awakening.
I know, but they didn’t show in the class reel
Oh ! Sorry, I got the wrong idea … Well maybe that’s because it’s an exclusive class …
The main site also updated with some new pages.
Let me start this with i’m fine with two versions on a personal level because the content appears to be there.
They are really screwing up here because they aren’t outright saying that they are two separate versions you buy at retail. The trailer, the thing that will have been viewed by the very most amount of people did not show two versions. They are selling these two games as one game in marketing and it isn’t the case according to themselves. By sending very mixed messages about choice when there isn’t a choice for retail buyers.
Also I want to address 15 dollars not “being a lot of money” that’s your value judgment if you believe that. 15 dollars ontop of 50 dolalrs for some is a lot of money. Then add 3rd path DLC, a new 3DS so you can access amiibo, scalping costs for each amiibo, the DLC that currently is only inside of 10 dollar structure decks and this game gets really expensive really fast.
i need all fire emblem amiibos ahora, ya, burn money burn
I need at least the Lucina one, no puedo vivir sin mi waifu(?
She is alwaya my daughter when i play awakening hahahaha 😀
Cool to hear about supports coming back. I guess the other question I have now is whether or not the marriage feature is coming back. (I guess there’s no children this time around.)
marriage has been confirmed from a Dengeki scan and there is a couple scans floating around that seem to confirm children
they’re back…. with kids
Early purchasers? Do they mean like pre-orders or people who brought the game within a certain time frame?
Nintendo is extremely vague with their wording. It simply says “early-purchase bonus”, which I assume is a type of “first-print bonus”. Here’s the original tweet (in Japanese).
https://twitter.com/FireEmblemJP/status/608443194267828225/photo/1
Thanks for the reply and for garon and mikoto I think that theres a chance that they can be recurited somehow through paralogues like awakening. I’m just guessing, but you were able to recruit emmryn in awakening through this so maybe something of this sort?
Maybe it’s an end-game feature. In Awakening, all the additional paralogues with characters like Emmeryn, Priam, Aversa, etc were accessible only before you went on to beat the final boss/after you finish the game.
0.0 werent they accessible b4 grima?
Yes, just right after you beat the chapter that is before Grima’s chapter. Sorry, I should have clarified.
I… as beautiful as Marth? This is every mans dream come true!!
This is what all true man strive for! :’3
My boy.
So Lucina’s card is designed by the same guy who is designing Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem?
Interesting.
Still wondering what the deal is with Garon. He kidnapped the baby Avatar, isolates and threatens them with fire…yet apparently he can join either side?
so wheres the blue maid._.
Are there any archer unit in Nohr?
Zero (one of Leon’s subordinates) uses a bow, but his class is Thief, I think. Only Nohrian character seen with one.
I’m a touch confused on the “biggest Fire Emblem game” business. Haven’t there been several games in the series with more than 28 chapters? Not that chapter count is necessarily an accurate barometer (Holy War). But we’ve known each version is supposed to be roughly as big as Awakening, so it’s unlikely to be an issue either way.
They meant when the two campaigns are combined. Of those 28 chapters, 6 are shared, so the total unique chapter count is 22 + 22 = 44. So… hey, that’s less chapters than Radiant Dawn. Oh, but there are probably sidequests too. Even just the usual 10 will bump it over Radiant Dawn.
We know we have babies based on males now so we likely will get a side quest for every male characters baby + avatars baby if female (I assume she will be special like male robin was and chrom). We may also see another character be special like how chrom was so yah we will have tons of side stuff too.
However, we don’t know for sure that it’s 28 chapters, they are saying as long as awakening but they are like putting that on the back of the box, they could easily be stretching the truth.
Awesome!
Also, before the guys get too excited: The Avatar probably won’t be able to marry Camilla, since she’s his older sister.
She’s his older “adopted” sister. I think we can still dream.
Still “sister” and it wouldn’t be fair to Hoshido players since they’re denied Hinoka.
they already did the “adopted” sibling thing in Awakening with Aversa… and video games in general are not known to be fair with everyone, so…
Well to be fair, the Nohrian siblings aren’t biologically related to the Avatar tho so it’s not out of the question… unlike Hoshidan siblings I guess, lol
Basically It’d be the same as marrying aversa, seeing as how she’s your Step sister technically
The difference is that you didn’t grow up with Aversa and Robin doesn’t consider her family. Kamui looks to Camilla like a true blood relative sister
Though she will constantly bring up herself as his “little sister” (which is weird cuz shes’s like 6-8 years older than crom but i digress)
Wouldn’t the children existing in an alternate reality be like Awakening’s time travel? You know, Outrealm stuff. But we saw Aqua and Kamui entering portals in the introduction video, so it’s the most likely theory.
I guess it depends on your perspective. Some people just don’t like time travel as a plot element, full stop XD
Garon also mentions that the Ganglari is infused with power from another world, so clearly there will be outrealm stuff in the plot.
Awakening just did it very badly is all.
I don’t have faith that they can pull a Marvel and handle Time Travel well like with Rachel Grey-Summers.
By the way the way kanna say it in the magazine, she saids it like she was training all these years more then coming from a another world. Ok who said that when coming from another world anyway because the last time I checked that’s fucking odd.
Mehh….even though they go hand-in-hand I’m moreover happy about the children just for the fact that we get more characters. Looks like I’m just going to keep on doing that male skinship thing instead/ find the most open female out there to marry. In Awakening the only reason I went with Anna was because she seems to be the type who wouldn’t care if Male MU ended up with a guy if she could just sell the photos.
Man these games really are gonna be as long as Awakening, huh? Well let’s see…I have over 500 hours on Awakening spread across four game files, and this entry is gonna be three games long spanning Nohr, Hoshido, and the third route, and if I play a minimum of three files per game, then that means……….I’m boned.
And my immediate first thought in how they tie this together was the first Fullmetal Alchemist series. I won’t get into too many spoilers on that, but I don’t think the answer is gonna be time travel.
i gotta choose my avatar’s husband…!….
Hopefully the not birth related imouto is a valid option
Soooooo… still no homosexual marriage?
Not even with Camilla and Joker?
What a let-down.
Ikr, if anything Camilla seemed like a shoe-in for some yuri….or bisexual antics.
If anything there better be more platonic same-sex supports/ don’t have every female able to support with all the guys (just to make their supports more unique compared to Awakening when you just knew that some guys and girls would never work out with each other, despite having the option to)
Seems to be the case, sadly. Maybe next game?
It’s their characters, their story, and their game. So of course, they’re going to do what they want. And unless they had a team full of homo people, I doubt they’d ever be interested in including such relationships.
Not sure why anyone would get their hopes up about such a thing in the first place. -_-‘
And their characters and their stories have always been rife with homosexuality, even in the most recent game.
You don’t need to have a “team full of homo people” to understand that homosexual and bisexual people exist, and even then, considering the usual homosexuality rates and the size of the team working on this game, it’s more than safe to assume that more than a handful of them are not heterosexual.
Many fans (not just bi/homosexual fans, mind you) were very vocally upset about the lack of same-sex marriage options in recent titles like Awakening and Tomodachi Life, and Nintendo even responded by saying that they didn’t recognize how important it was to their fans and that they would keep it in mind for future games.
You don’t need to be homosexual or bisexual to understand or support such relationships, especially for a game developed in Japan where recent trends of yuri in media are usually met with high popularity and approval.
But no, forgive me for getting my hopes up that a character like Camilla (who has on multiple occasions been stressed to be hopelessly obsessed with Kamui) could marry female Kamui. Especially considering that Velka’s profile suggests that Camilla is AT LEAST bi.
Approximately two percent of the general population is gay/bisexual. It’s a miniscule cross section.
I’m left handed and often had to use right handed desks in high school because there aren’t nearly as many southpaws. And the percentage of left handers is far higher than the percentage of lgbt individuals.
Being inconvenienced by membership in a minority group is part of life. It’s unfortunate but understandable. Gotta learn to suck it up.
2% is a really conservative estimate, many studies go up to 5% or higher. In more modernized areas, especially large cities and areas where religion isn’t prominent, the estimates can get as high as 15%, and keep in mind this isn’t counting people who don’t want to admit it on record.
Don’t compare the hand you write with to the gender you’re attracted to, the difference there is massive.
Not in this context. In this context there is no difference, because in this context I’m simply demonstrating that the needs and wants of smaller groups can’t always be adequately met. If you and your brother want to go to Applebees but everyone else in the family wants to eat at the Olive Garden, you’re probably gonna have to go to the olive garden. The needs and wants of the many outweigh those of the few.
Also, local population statistics of cities are irrelevant, although the two percent might have been a bit conservative. I’ve seen some report as high as four and even five as you suggested, but that doesn’t change the fact that the number is incredibly small
Now, I feel so damn pathetic, but I wonder if the amiibo version of FE characters are going to have support convos with you (like spotpass unlockable characters in Awakening) cuz you know… these news.
It used to be “Is Roy and Marth in this game?”
Now it’s “Can I marry Roy and Marth in this game????”
Well, we already know that they are in the game via amiibo/spotpass/whatever, so yeah, that’s the next question :^]
Well…that’s good to hear. I’m happy about that, at least.
while im fine with 2 versions, why are they marketing it as one game? sometimes they say you choose DURING the game, but you kinda choose before you even get the game… and the trailer is marketing it as 1 game… yet, its going to be 2 games?… the japan trailers atleast market it as 2 versions, but why are the american trailers marketing it as 1?
From the information flying around the internet, the decision of different routes during the game is for the Japanese version (I could be wrong) where they have 4 versions of the game ( Hoshido, Nohr and a copy with both version for a price of 2 games and the digital version).
I re-watched the choose your path trailer and information stated within the direct, it’s definitely heavily implied that the game is a singular entity, it even goes as far to say that Hoshido is more traditional to the series described as “more accessible” (easier), and that Nohr is more “complex” with “difficulty that is more challenging”. As to why I feel this to be significant is that they’re marketing the two stories essentially as additional difficulty settings for the game which if this falls through as two versions we will have been misled with false advertisement, something that people in a country like America love to bury businesses over; it seems like it’s treading close to bait for a class action lawsuit, something Intelligent Systems really doesn’t need at the moment (I get it may sound far fetched and dramatic, but companies have been sued over lesser issues by ‘Muricans).
It’s still at the point where they can measure fan reaction and make changes, but this is Nintendo; at the end of the day they will do whatever they want.
I personally don’t care as long as the dual version is as common as the single copies, if not more common.
Oh man. Outrealm thing again… I hope this thing works now esp with the better writer.
Mhh okay if they put the marriage system back in since so many people enjoyed it, but the children as well? Would have liked it more if it was an awakening thing only. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how well they fit into the story.
Argh! They’re reusing the Time Travel stuff yet again!?
I mean, in the game where it first appeared, it didn’t use time travel, it skipped ahead to a time through peace where the children were fully grown. I believe it was with Sigurd and Seliph.
Yes, but that game also killed off all of the parent generation. Do we live in a time where gamers can handle that?
Well that’s a spoiler…. lol or not at this point. I would love a time skip in FE once again. That would be awesome!
No you waited like years If I’m correct.
Does it actually outright say “straight couples only” in the scans or is that just an assumption?
I mean, I know there’s no point in hoping I can actually be gay this time, but I can’t help it 🙁
looking at it from a mechanical standpoint, it only makes sense that they would only allow straight marriages because of the children and skill inheritence
There are ways around it though, for instance allow same-sex marriage just with no resulting kid, or adoptive replacement kids like in FE4.
There was gay marriage in fe4?
No there weren’t gay marriages in FE4, but when a character didn’t get married in the first generation, there was a different kid in place of the one that would be in the second generation cast had the character gotten married. The replacement has worse stats and growths.
ahh I get you
I think what they’re getting at is if there’s no boink-boink then there would be a new character in place of the child that was supposed to be there. Either that, or having the supposed “child” be an apprentice to the father instead of actually their child (as the children are now based off of their dads). But oh well, not like either two choices will be happening.
No they said something about replacement units
i’m sure there won’t be any gay marriage, because there can’t be any child with gay marriage
This is a world where people can shoot fireballs and transform into dragons and stuff, I don’t think gay couples having children would be too farfetched. Especially if the kids are actually from another dimension or something, which seems to be the case.
you know that will never be the case, i think it is more weird for gays to have kids than having dragon transformation.
there is so much wrong with that statement
well whatever, LGBT statements bore me as much as my statement does to you
I wouldn’t say that you bore me….but more like I feel dissapointed in you in general and your mindset.
Well it’s true in this time period it’s not like there was much beyond adoption.
that’s the point. It’s almost like Lone is saying adoption is even out of the question (obviously I’m not even referencing current medical procedures)
Seriously, i can not STAND mpreg, the game going anywhere near that will completely ruin LGBT representation, and be a big spit in the face to actual NORMAL gay people
They don’t have to do mpreg or anything, just “oh hey, look, it’s our magical child from another dimension” or whatever would be fine. Maybe one of the gods blessed them with the (already-born) child or something? There’s a lot of ways they could do it that wouldn’t involve mpreg.
nah they don’t need to bend over backward to cater to two percent of the population. Unfortunately it would be neither practical or logical
By that logic they also shouldn’t have the option to have red hair, nor should they translate the game into German.
Sure, if you want to compare inclusion of a hair color and German translations to having to write and program numerous support conversations that approximately two percent of people will have any interest in reading. Of course such a comparison is asinine.
Bear in mind that programming a hair color takes virtually no time at all. Also bear in mind that translating the game to German opens up the game to approximately 100 percent of the German 3ds gamer market and would be responsible for driving every single sale of the game in Germany.
So in summation hair color takes very little effort from them-ie low investment, and translations literally open up entirely new markets in which the game can be sold- ie yields potential for high reward. Gay supports fit neither of these categories. They require a decent amount of investment and will drive few to no sales.
I personally don’t care either way. I’m just explaining to you why the developers likely didn’t deem it worth their valuable time and energy.
I realize it would be a lot of effort to make support conversations between every single character, but really I’d be fine even if it was just exclusive to the Avatar. And presumably the Avatar can A-support everyone already anyway, so it wouldn’t be that much work to write the S-supports as well. Heck, even if they only made it possible for a small amount of characters, that would still be better than nothing. It would definitely bring a lot of attention to the game as well, and most likely bring in quite a few more sales. Sure, not as many as a German translation would, but a considerable amount nonetheless. Assuming your 2% statistic is accurate, the amount of gay people who bought Awakening is about half the amount of Germans who did so, and I’m sure a lot more would buy it if they could actually be gay in the game. A lot of straight people too, based on what I’ve seen of various fandoms online. Even disregarding this, some other companies do allow gay relationships in their games, and they haven’t had any loss because of it from what I’ve heard. Nor do I think they really considered that in the first place.
Either way, in the end, it all boils down to feeling actively alienated in games I would otherwise love – time and time again. I mean, yeah, I’ll play it and enjoy it anyway. But it would be nice if I could actually feel like my avatar represents ME, for once, instead of forcing me to be something I’m not. Is that really too much to ask for?
Absolutely this. At LEAST make the MU able to S-rank same-sex. Hell, I’d even pay money as some sort of stupid DLC, I don’t care. Just let me be me.
Dude, just as the guy before you, Youngotakubwoy said, this is still a medieval setting – where every male had to marry a female and every female had to marry a male for lineage’s sake, even royals. I’m sorry, and just so you know, I do support homosexual rights, but that’s something for this current century and beyond. If they make a Fire Emblem based on today’s situations and takes place in the today, maybe they’ll do it, but even I as a supporter realize that even the mention of that is incredibly idiotic.
There won’t be. This is Nintendo. Nintendo is a conservative Kyoto based company. Nintendo would not make a game with gay marriage. There will probably only be tongue in cheek stuff like in the last game, but there absolutely will be no marriage between same-sexes. You have to take in mind that this is a medieval type setting with kings and queens and lineages being important, they would make a proLGBT statement and change the child making mechanic with a far fetched story asspul.
That is right, but i fear to even think about what the FE14 tags on Tumblr will become. Not to mention that it would be terrible storywriting. Im getting way too rilled up by this, but it really irks me.
A gay pair that has an adopted/magically created child would be cool, more than one instance of it would get really weird really quickly
Fair enough, I was mostly thinking they’d limit it to the Avatar anyway though. (Especially since otherwise, all gay couples would have two kids and all lesbian couples would end up with none, since the kid is linked to the father.) Not that they’ll do it in the first place, but if they did.
Sooooo a Ricken + Maribelle mate and end up with a Tharja? What the heck went on with that girls’ childhood to make her end up with that personality?!
That’s not maribelle. Also the is more flamboyant than rickan
RIP hype. I know its a popular mechanic and all but I absolutely hate the mechanic to death!
Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉
A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD
Funny thing is I wanted to come so to make you old geeks pissy.
Holy shit! have some respect! I stated an opinion of mine and you said “Go To Hell”. This is unbelievably offensive on so many levels! What is wrong with you! calling the people who don’t like a certain aspect of the game fags WTF we have opinions as well! You need to learn to accept others opinions. You support gays in FE don’t ya, well I don’t but do you see me bitching at every comment talking about it? NO! Because unlike you I don’t get my internet enjoyment fucking with others! I know I just gave you what you wanted but seriously hating on the people with opinions other than yours is fucking wrong, and even worse than that is attacking someone with words as offensive as “Go To Hell”!
I’m actually laughing right now because it shows that old fans are useless and old farts. This makes fire emblem different from other strategic games.
Either way I got the last laugh. XD
I’m still laughing cause you’re ignorant and arrogant.
Ignorant if what? Because old fans don’t like new thing to the series? Sims , pokemon , and harvest moon have this mechanic and fans love the series, because sometimes a character in video games having a family make them more human and special in story’s or for players.
Those are irrelevant since those games are built around it from the beginning and that’s how it’s meant to be played (Though Pokemon doesn’t marry. We just force animal cruelty to be the very best). Fire Emblem was built with different mechanics. It’s what Fire Emblem is leading too is more what Old Fans (That aren’t weeaboo’s at least) fear of and dislike. And having a family doesn’t make you more human. Understanding and morals do. Look at FF7.
Pokemon has a breeding mechanic were you created fighters, pokemon were also built to fight.
Ff cloud has a little adoptive kid that he takes care of.
Some of your old fans shipped lyn or Marth.
Your fan base loves a game that has trope characters, colored haired, anime move set , art that’s based on old anime, and original fantasy cliché story.
Breeding and Marriage is different. I can make two pokemon make a baby and then make the baby… with mum… grows, but whatever. Ugh! This is just disgusting talking about it. I’m done.
Really? Creating units to fight and die for you that’s not like pokemon breeding, in war you need a army and of course you need to breed that army. The marriage thing is just a thing to make it less messed up.
But said by everybody “It’s optional”.
No shit dipshit.
You seriously need to chill, Delvin. The older games were just as enjoyable as the current ones and you need to respect that they will have their opinions. Seriously, marriage, kids or not, I’m just glad they kept the support conversations and as long as the story is still excellent, I could give a flying care.
There are a lot of strategic games out there nintendo just needed to give it something a little new. Besides people love ship characters especially Lin and Marth. D
Don’t forget nintedo watches us online sometimes .
I’ve been reading other comments and you keep replying to those not really interested with the marriage system. Stop acting like a rude kid and start respecting their opinions.
Respect things that the players have the power to choose in other words respect optional things.
noone cares
about you
i guess it would be more interesting if they could add a new mechanic for marriages, i mean adding a side quest which includes a flash back of the spouse’s past. it helps for more character development and could make the marriages a bit more interesting
Like those extra chapters that are unlocked in Fire Emblem 7? That would be interesting O:
No no no nooooooo~
I liked how the supports worked in the previous games (well, except for RD) but the mariage mechanic… This is just fan-service, seriously.
Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉
A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD
I get the feeling that you’re only a troll, but stop using the same argument over and over again. All of them just seem really childish and have no evidence or whatnot to back it up. It’s really annoying.
Evidence of what I’m just mocking them smarty.
Or bein a dick. Sorry. Someone had to say it.
You Guys had it coming anyway the way you acted.
You seriously need to get out of this community.
Your community is nothing mor then a small little accident from a fighter game , you’re not real veterans the japs are.
OH!!! HE SAID A NAUGHTY WORD! RACIST!!!
Japs is short for Japanese. Anyway you guys are not use to this yet because you didn’t have the old fe before.
No seriously. Japs is actually racist. Keep that in mind.
Uh huh, do you have anything new?
so you mean FE4 was fanservice?
cause this is a mechanic from FE4
You’re right, but atleast FE4 didn’t have over-sexualization and the pander-fans of the Western part of the world.
Uh fire emblem had sexy girls before duh dipshit.
You know again you can still kill your self.
…How has this guy not been banned yet?
There’s a difference between “naturally attractive” and “deliberately sexualized”.
Have you flagged him? We should all combine powers and support to flag/ban this guy.
The good ol’ Triangle Attack?
With the 100% crit? Sure.
Oh trust when I see some of those art work I know what I see.
That’s not exactly the same because in my opinion in FE4, there was a concrete plot and the marriage and kids system was well done whereas in FE13, they tried to redo it and to me, failed. True, the fact that you can practically marry whoever you want, that you have endless possibilities to do so is innovating and brings more fans to the franchise, but I actually think it brings a lack of personality to the characters, or that they are being too stereotypical. I’m talking about the kids, not the parents. It’s paradoxical, I know, but the kids seem quite shallow to me and the child-father supports are generic. If the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?
Hope it’s understandable, because I’m not a native English-speaker.
Failed? They added them as mor units to your army also it was pretty simple too “the future was in trouble so they come back to help prevent this”. Well the child is produce by the mother thee father could be anyone you choose so it might take a little longer especially when that was about to be the last game. Also there are plenty of tropes in fire emblem franchise You dumb fuck.
“Failed?” Just read again the reasons I said this.
Indeed, the franchise is full of stereotypes which is why I said “I’m talking about the kids, not the parents” because it’s the parents who are the archetype characters and the kids being stereotypical. And indeed again, “if the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?”
You seem slightly blind, or you might have a selective eyesight?
There’s a lot of mixed feelings over the marriage mechanic. It’s always been in fire emblem actually, except it usually only happened when you beat the game with certain characters at A level support. I’m an old fan and I’ve always liked to pair people up before the game ends. So I don’t really care about how they do it as long as it doesn’t become a flat out waifu simulator.
I know it’s always been in Fire Emblem but like you said, it only occurred when you beat the game with certain characters when they reached A support. That’s why I really how the supports worked in the previous games because it wasn’t that present in the plot while in FE13, it’s practically waifu and hubby.
True, awakening did put a little more emphasis on the marriage system, but I only did it for the kids lol. But I’m not very familiar with the way the marriage system worked in FE4, so I can’t really make and harsh judgements on FE13.
I do know that the supports were made easier to get in FE13. Before I always had to make good use of each character’s limited number of support conversions for the endings I wanted with them.
Actually because you finally get to create own character in the game, again this mechanic before, but the thing is in fe 7 they created a sequel for money instead of adding the time skip mechanic like fe4. You dumb ass, use your fucking head next time.
Don’t worry, I use mine, but you should use yours because what you are saying isn’t relevant to my comment.
Also nobody gave a a flying shit about your final fantasy spin off franchise.
…Anybody who knows anything about videogame history is laughing there socks off right now.
Please stop making yourself look like an irate idiot and leave.
I’m not talking about history I’m making fun of your game.
Somehow I doubt we’re going to have the Awakening marriage mechanics all over again, actually. Yeah, we’ll have marriage and children but Awakening was all for the fanservice. Fates seems to actually be putting more thought into the writing so I imagine we’ll at least have same-sex paired endings even if they can’t make babies.
Your assuming a lot to say they put more thought into the writing just because they hired a manga Ka. It’s not like his stories were the best ever.
I’ll StreetPass fight you for her.
Kinda expected the marriage system, but not the children thing really. Wonder how they are going to explain how the children got to the present anyway. People need to calm down about this tho, it’s not like it’s a bad/weird thing having your characters marry, again it’s completely optional.
Exactly, I don’t get why some people make a lot of fuss over something optional. Sure it MIGHT be a little bit ridiculous to have the time travel thing again, but we still don’t know for sure if that’s how you meet the children.
Thank you. I guess some people just don’t want the same thing that Awakening had with the children, but im all for it really.
The “it’s optional” argument does not hold water. I think of it this way: you have a friend who throws great parties. Then at some point there starts being a corner of the house where people can go get a free handjob. “It’s optional!” some people say. “You don’t have to go get a handjob if you don’t want one! A lot of people really love the handjobs!” But at some point, you start to feel like it’s just not your kind of party anymore…
The marriage/child mechanics were well-incorporated in FE4. Having a time skip and starting a whole second chapter really worked. The “we come from the future” mechanic was shaky at best in Awakening, and the marriage system was so open-ended it really took away from a lot of the characterization (everyone had to be much more of a blank slate for the “they can pair with anyone” thing to work). We don’t know how exactly the children will be shoehorned in here. Maybe they will make it really work well! But it’s easy for a lot of people to have a bad feeling…
1: the handjob thing is completely stupid, because of women, gay guys, guys with a spouse or girl friend. In other words saying people love Hand jobs is completely. Stupid, also diffrerent.
2 : there are a lot of parties with that type of action you need a better way to describe something.
3: you have to be the gayest fucking twick wod to cry of something minor as this, also do you do everything other people do?
4: the optional thing means people like you don’t have to do, it’s bloody harmless.
5: in war there kids with the story they can be the main protagonist, a ride along, or a cheerleader.
6: you know this is why I make fun of you guys in wank off forest, because you don’t let other players have fun on something that’s harmless and it’s over a game that’s not even worth the dirt under my shoes a game that has irrevent gameplay, cliché fantasy stories, colored haired anime heroes, and trope charaters from video game, anime, or some other made up story.
P.s want you guys to remeber that your fan base is about to die and when it does I’m going to take a good laugh at old fans and wish them a bloody and painful death.
Holds no water? Dude, it’s a fact it’s optional. The whole example is so silly that made me laugh, but I do see your point. Regardless of that, as with any annoying fanbase, can’t you just ignore it?
I agree that FE4 had a better mechanic at introducing 2nd gen. units, but I never had a problem with Awakening’s time travel. As for the marriage system, it was pretty open on which character could marry another, but if you paid attention to the support conversations, you’ll notice that some relationships work out better than others. As for the inclusion of children again, I’m just hoping that it’s not time travel again, we just had that in Awakening, but as you and I said, we still don’t know HOW. It may still have a chance.
I’m not arguing about whether or not it’s optional, just making the point that it’s easy to be bothered or feel alienated by it even if you aren’t forced to participate. I didn’t think characters were well developed in Awakening; a few supports gave details on their past, but more likely you just get elaboration on their “quirk”. But yeah, I do think it’s possible they have a “how” scenario that makes sense and doesn’t feel forced and adds a lot to the story (but I am still really annoyed by face-touching minigames, no matter how optional).
We make a fuss cause it’s the “Not Fire Emblem way” and “It’s weird because players just play for pander” and other crap. Rather simple but over used excuse. A game about smart strategy, planning, complex system and we get this. And the optional isn’t optional when you’re playing Lunatic+. You then are forced to play this Waifu Emblem 2016. That’s basically it. Veterans basically just hate the marriage system and that fanbase, but they’re not wrong.
How is it not the fire emblem way, Awakening wasn’t the 1st FE game to do the marriage/child system. So what if it’s a strategy game, what’s wrong with having a feature that bonds your units together that is completely optional? While supports for Awakening were helpful, it’s not like it forced you to watch the confession scenes or the support conversations, just simply skip them and get your ”precious S support” that you need so much for lunatic +. Please, if anything most veterans welcome back this system because it’s a nice bonus feature to the game that is, once again, completely optional. Please stop trying to act like this system ruined the FE you love, because you are in the minority if you think that the marriage and children features are a hindrance to the game.
FE4 did it differently and much better, with an entire 1st/2nd gen split.
Also, the mechanic feels tacked on. The only reason they even included it in Awakening was as a shout-out to FE4 in the first place.
It only really exists to cater to those who are obsessed with the “Waifu Emblem” crap. It’s fanservice and pandering for the sheer sake of it.
And “most veterans welcome back the system”? On both sides of the fandom and the Pacific, I’ve been hearing nothing but arguments and complaints about this that mirror each other.
Fe 4 had it’s way of doing it with the time skip, Awakening had it’s way of doing it with time travel which made sense in the game. Unlike Fe4 though, children were pretty much irrelevant to the story, besides Lucina, so once again it’s most likely just going to be something there as a bonus to getting units married. I wouldn’t say the only reason they did it in Awakening was just as a shout out to Fe4, they just brought back the idea that was only used in 1 other game and it worked. Like I said, its optional so if it bothers you that much that they brought it back because you say people wanted it then just skip it, or don’t bother with the children. The only reason some people are complaining is because they don’t know how they are going to implement how the children got there in the 1st place. They are just worried that they might use the same reasoning as Awakening with the time travel thing, but I really doubt its going to be the same reasoning so unless it is, don’t know why people are this upset about it.
Also, as I’ve said before, regardless of execution the mechanic just feels tacked on to try and maximize sales. Executive meddling, much?
There’s literally much better stuff to bitch about the game then this. If the children and marriage systems are bothering you that much, then that’s your problem. Whether it’s the fans or just the system in general that you don’t like about it, then, once again, that’s your problem. And what’s the problem with trying to maximize sales? If adding an addition like this again will increase sales, then what the fuck is the problem. They didn’t add this system again just for the people who only care about marrying characters and getting every kid, like you said. It’s literally just a side mechanic that you can simply skip.
Actually nintendo watches is on the internet all the time now and they watch people play match maker with fire emblem before awakening. Also besides the males and females are really lonely so why not , because let’s be be honest anyone who spends more time on fire emblem then real life is going to be lonley.
I’m a vet and I love it, though.
The support conversations and paired endings always stood out, especially in Sacred Stones. It’s not pandering, it’s just adapting and evolving.
And believe me, I have a ton of issues with Fates that drive me up a wall, but this is hardly the thing to go after.
I have nothing wrong with the marriage and supports and stuff. Sorry guys if you got me wrong, but it’s just the fanbase that annoys me. Support has been in FE since forever so I don’t have a problem, but people who only play Awakening, don’t touch Classic with 15 foot pole and just play for the marriage system is why I hate it.
I feel like it added a lot of depth to the game as -imo- much of the dialogue was fairly amusing and made your units seem more like real people. I see you issue with it seeming mandatory though with support pairing advantages and child units being veritable gods if built properly (I know my Lunatic Classic playthrough would have been shot without Brave weapons letting Chrom/Lucina support strike Grima with their Falchions 4 times each in one turn)
I can understand the thing about the fanbase cuz i completely agree that ther’ye annoying but the fanbase doesnt realy have to do with the gameplay and functions of the game plus i mean i personally wouldnt make a big deal about the why ppl played awakening and stuff just because everyone has their own reason to play a game… getting mad over it is just isnt going to help anyone but this is just me adding my two cents ^~^
Ive played all the games and i love what they did in Awakening, honestly that was the best way to bring Geneology back. In this veterans opinion the series just gets better and better
Great speech, but now take branch a shove it right up your ass because your final fantasy spin off franchise
They’re not wrong, but neither are the people who like the marriage system and that fanbase. If you hate it so much don’t buy the game. No one’s forcing you.
That doesn’t make sense. Like I could have known what Awakening was going to be like when I bought it. And even then, you’re telling someone, on Fire Emblem website, to not buy Fire Emblem.
Except SF and Famitsu pretty much TELL you what the games are gonna be like before you buy them.
And just because it’s an FE website…well, okay, maybe there’s something else about Fates you’re interested in. But you seem so angry about the changes, and why play a game that makes you angry?
Exactly. The fact is, fandoms and playerbases change. Franchises change. This isn’t “pandering to the Waifu Crowd”, this is “Awakening tried something, the game proved a major success so we’ll give the players more of what they liked”. The old guard has the option not to buy this game, or use the marriage mechanic. No one’s throwing the pre-Awakening games in the trash and saying “sorry, no more for you”.
I think the fandom is just overreacting and getting angry isn’t going to change a thing. Buy it or don’t. You have a choice.
Pretty much. I don’t really get what some people are mad about since the marriage/children systems in Awakening were great and added alot of different ways you could pair up units etc. Guess some people are just doubtful because they think they are going to use the time travel thing again as a reason how the kids are there anyway.
I loved the mechanics of the old games too, but if I want them I’ll just…play those games! And marriage+babies dates all the way back to Seisen, which is the most popular pre-GBA game.
I just hope same-sex A supports can have paired endings too, even if they’re not overt with the HoYay/LesYay subtext. Because from the sounds of it, marriage+children isn’t as big a theme in this game.
It’s not the marriage and kids that bothers me, as a hardcore FE veteran. It’s how they’re going to be explained.
FE4 had the first generation marry and produce children. The first generation was then roasted by Alviss, and there was a timeskip, meaning that it was a very viable reason for the second generation to become the new main cast. In Awakening, we had the whole despairing future thing. That was a large part of the plot. But I’m wondering how kids will fit into the whole “fend off Anya/Nohr” and “Revolutionize the kingdom from within” paradigms of Hoshido/Byakuya and Nohr/Anya, respectively. Marriage has been around for a long time in FE, and tended to be at the end of the game, with characters confessing love at the A support, so it really doesn’t bother me.
I hate this “If you don’t like it then don’t play it” argument. Even ignoring the marriage mechanic, the games are still quite good so I still have many reasons to play it anyways. There’s nothing wrong with providing constructive criticisms and demanding a level of quality from one of Nintendo’s flagship franchises in order to make it better for everyone. I don’t many are inherently against a marriage mechanic, but the way it was done in Awakening was not very well done and could use a lot of renovations. The fact that children are returning despite the logical inconsistencies is ominous at best.
Fair enough. But the marriage mechanic is still optional and so are the kids and it gets tiresome to see people complaining all the time about a mechanic they’re not being forced to use.
Well I actually want my characters to get married I just don’t like how it works here. Like if the Avatar gets married, why is the wife never in any cutscenes – it just feels so unnatural that she wouldn’t become more important to the plot afterwards. Plus you never see any interactions between them after the marriage besides for some random in-battle dialogue. I want the marriage mechanic – I just want it to be done properly
Ah, I see. Apologies, I misunderstood.
To be honest, that bothered me about Awakening, too. In order for the Avatar’s spouse to matter a female Avatar had to marry Chrom and there was a goldmine of feelings to explore from other characters. Lissa, Lucina and Frederick at least retained a teeny bit of relevance since they’re plot-important anyway, but what about characters like Tiki?
LOL no need to apologize – and yeah thats my biggest issue with marriage as well. I think Ideally Fates will have a bunch of cannon relationships you can build if you want to and the MU is the only one with some choice so that each relationships gets a large deal of development. Not to mention things like Cordelia crushing on Chrom even after she’s married, like aren’t you happy with your own man *ugh
Sorry. I’m a bit out of the loop. So I’m reading that some fans are upset about the whole marriage system, but I don’t understand why. The old support systems in FE7-FE12 were not that great, especially FE Radiant Dawn’s. Why are people opposed to the current system? I enjoy being able to see multiple support conversations before deciding on my favorite based on their interactions and class specialty. Children double the fun and make for a badass line up of troops. So, where’s the downside here?
It is true that a good amount FE supports are pretty stale, especially in Radiant Dawn. The only reason some people are opposed to the marriage system is because they think it was only added back in for pandering due to the fan-base it created in Awakening. Even tho Thracia had marriage and children, some people act like Awakening was the only FE game that had these mechanics. That’s the thing though, there is no downside so the people getting worked up over it are retarded. It adds way more character development, more characters with the children, and allows players to pair up people based on how they want.
Overall, the marriage/children features are ones that only improve the game with what they add. The small portion of people complaining are only complaining because they couldn’t care less about the side features such as marriage, and only care about the game-play. Also they don’t like how the FE fan-base has changed with Awakening with a lot more people focusing on the characters, aka waifu wars and such.
Uhm, Orochi kinda looks like a sexual predator. I liked the children characters in Awakening well enough, but I would have preferred if we had skipped them for Fates. Hopefully they’re completely optional and I can leave them for post game.
*Sigh*
…After my initial frustration,… I’m disappointed.
There’s no real reason for the 2nd generation to exist outside of pandering to those obsessed with “Waifu Emblem”.
Way to pour cold water on our hype, IntSys.
This just feels really shoe-horned in; the initial trailers and such makes it seem that IS was trying to tell something big, epic, and different, only to eventually start playing it safe, first bringing in the Awakening expies, then marriage, then the child mechanic.
I can’t see this positively effecting the game overall; it’s just going to hold it back for a lot of people.
optional content is optional. shouldn’t affect your opinion of the game either way. think of it like an optional minigame
Yeah, what rainmaker said. No one’s going to force you to make the characters get married and have babies. The kids are optional, if you want to play an epic dramatic story with no waifus and babies then go for it.
Then dont marry duh, stop ur support until A rank and it’s all good, whiny kid
This argument holds no water. The mechanic offers gameplay bonuses. So penalize myself, then? And to use a modified analogy from someone above, if you’re at a party and suddenly a corner where people can smoke opens up, sure “it’s optional”, but you really start to get the feeling that it’s just not your kind of party anymore.
Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉
A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD
So go dig up your grave and lay In it.
…I see that basic respect and politeness is something few on the internet have.
chickens lay eggs, people lie down fgt
learn english fgt
Some times I people I will pronounce lay instead lie. Duh
Poor DanMan. You’re gonna get so much hate.
Come out dimples you were asking for this, come on how about you a play with bear or dig up a grave for you and lay in it.
This news saddens me. It’s almost as if Fates lowers my expectations every time I hear something new about it.
how many fire emblem fans does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to change the light bulb and the other to say the old one was better.
I admit, that was a good one. Sadly, it’s all too true.
Well shut the fuck up and go hell. 😉
Your group is dying and a new big group is rising.
Do you need to use that reply for everything here? It’s annoying
Does anyone else notice that creators seem apparently ship the Male Avatar with Felicia i mean look at Chapter 7 with the Nohr Path.
Yup, OTP stuffs going on there.
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Not surprising.
There’s always that one character that seems to get a little more attention with the main character.
Well, pretty much every Fire Emblem had a marriage-system of sorts… if you got an A support between the right characters, they got married AT THE END…
Right now, I’m hoping that instead of lazy-writing-kids-from-the-future crap, they take after FE4 and have a timeskip. As the Avatar is part dragon (the most dragon-like of the lot of their varied siblings, if I’m honest; nobody else has got pointy ears…) maybe that means the Avatar has draconian longevity too and won’t look too much older after twenty years… thus explaining why we haven’t seen old Avatar… oh, and everyone else from the first generation dies from chivalrous dummy syndrome sometime mid-game.
Just my hopes but as Awakening made more fans than Genealogy did (though the latter did make a whole batch of seasoned, respected fans ^_^; ), it’ll probably be a rehash of Awakening. T_T
Hear hear with the timeskip!
Considering that there’s an image of Tsukuyomi talking with his daughter and he looks exactly the same as usual, I doubt it’s going to be a timeskip.
They… They… THEY BROUGHT IT BACK… Why… How.. WHYY?
(Ofc I am totally in for this but how are they going to connect it to the storyline without Deus Ex machina)
“Charge me 100 dollars and everyone who complains is a baby but dammit if you add babies i’m going to be the baby!” #HalfTheCommunity
Eh.
Just don’t recycle the same plot for the children.
i love the marriage system, its fun, cute and and i get to see the characters in diferent situations of life. Why so much hate? its optional, dont marry them if u dont wanna
Most of the Children from Awakening weren’t apart of the main storytelling anyway, they were optional.
So what is the big deal?
Exactly what you said: optional. They had no real effect on the game, and were simply there to encourage the “Waifu Emblem” nonsense. If the don’t serve any real purpose except to get the scummy part of base to buy it, then why even bother implementing it and just put the resources towards something else?
I don’t see your problem. If people enjoyed that part of the game, then why not let them?
Because the people who play it for that part aren’t only not playing Fire Emblem, but playing an inferior version of the Dating Sims they desire.
Or maybe they want a unique experience of enjoying Fire Emblem’s gameplay while also yes having their dating sim. Fire Emblem is now a unique gaming experience you can’t find anywhere else as far as I know
Get back to me when half the people who talk about Fire Emblem don’t jump straight to “waifus”.
Also, your wording makes it sound like it wasn’t just as much, if not more so, a “unique experience” in the first place.
They were.
Fire Emblem was to SRPGS is like Metal Gear to stealth games: they defined their respective genres.
Sheesh! You’re like the Grinch! Does the happiness of others really bother you that much? You obviously love this series and I just feel sorry for you.
Oh yes, FE is without a doubt a wonderful and unique game. The problem is that its uniqueness just wasn’t enough, not after 12 games. It’s as simple as that. Innovation was required to garner a larger fanbase, and I know that sounds like selfish cash grabs, but that’s basically what it is. In the end, it’s all for the sake of money because that keeps their company alive and pays their rents. The plus is that they will keep making FE games. And that brings us back to whether or not that is a good thing, and whether or not we have it in us to accept the changes.
Actually they still play the strategy gameplay.
“Waifu Emblem”, at least regarding this mechanic, is nonsense. You aren’t just pairing up the avatar with your favorite girl, but also many other members of the cast among themselves. Actual otaku series don’t have important females who fall in love with the non-insert characters.
This mechanic allows customizable units and more variation among the teams. For an open ended game like Hoshido, if there weren’t an equivalent mechanic replacing this, it’d be pretty much an inferior Awakening, and they hadn’t announced anything to replace it as far as customization goes. It’s harder to guess how well it’ll work in the Nohr side though.
“Pretty much be an inferior Awakening”
With different classes, different story and (supposedly) different characters, on top of some new mechanics and actual balancing of existing ones (*cough* pair-up *cough*), it’s clearly trying to be a different game than Awakening. Really, as an SRPG and a Fire Emblem game, you can’t get a lot worse then Awakening without deliberately not caring.
…Which is what makes it the more frustrating that Awakening mechanics got tacked on to it.
Guys chill. We don’t know how everything will work. IS is experimenting with a lot of things to find a balance and make both veterans and newcomers happy. That’s the point of the two versions thing.
Please let this bullshit be Hoshido only please let this bullshit be Hoshido only please let this bullshit be Hoshido only.
No it’s for both dipshit.
That’s cry a river because I want to swim in it. XD
I want to unlock all the characters, but I’m in here for the Fantasy RPG, not for the dating simulator.
That’s why I don’t like future children. It pressures you to marry most of the gen 1 characters in order to get all of the gen 2 characters. I especially don’t want to have to marry my avatar.
Well don’t do it faggot. XD
I stated that I want all of the characters. That includes the future children.
If there was a way to unlock every character without playing hook-up, I would. But there isn’t.
Also, was the name-calling really necessary? Resorting to that right off the bat does nothing but prove your inability to hold a solid argument.
Then your wasting time because there’s this capture enemy thing and you force them into your army in othe words never ending . also for people who played pokemon or sims it’s fun mechanic and easy to do.
The capture mechanic really doesn’t count, though. They don’t have backstories, distinct personalities, special abilities, or anything else that makes the other FE characters worth it so much. They aren’t really characters, they’re just generic enemy unit #176.
You Said you wanted to get every character/unit not special unit.
Now you’re just being difficult.
Not really you just didn’t explained It clearly. Go play harvest moon it’s a game of farm life and people love that game ands it’s marriage mechanics. Also watching your kids grow up and leaving you, it’s quiet sad really. 🙁
Is the Avatar able to learn any class from both side? Because I don’t want my main to be class restricted, I want to choose my game for the story, not the classes…
I truly hope they include options for same sex romance this time too. They don’t have to produce a child, or they could have alternate replacement characters for gay couples. Leaving it out twice in a row, especially after Nintendo said they are gonna be more inclusive after the Tomodachi thing, would be really awful.
There won’t be. You can bet that the marriage mechanic is just there for creating children characters.
Even if there weren’t children, the marriage mechanic would have essentially been there anyway. Every single Fire Emblem game with the Support system in it (except for Path of Radiance) has had the compatible characters marry each other at the end of the game when they reached A level of Support.
Still the same. Only opposite genders marry in those endings. Some games act like a continuation to the next Fire Emblem (who are supposed to be the children of the last Fire Emblem characters).
*sigh* Okay. Bye Fire Emblem, call me when you stop being garbage.
How about you calm down. And stop viewing Fire Emblem as a “Waifu Simulator” sure marrying certain characters together got a very waifu-esque scene, but it doesn’t matter. Fire Emblem is what the player makes it to be. There is no need to hate on a subject or term that has been around since oh, I don’t, Genealogy of the Holy War.
That and the fact that characters in Fire Emblem have been marrying each other and people have been engaged in the whole shipping thing since at least Binding Blade (IIRC, that was the first game with Supports as we currently know them). Not having marriage take place in the middle of the game or not having children wouldn’t have stopped any of the people calling characters their waifu or shipping all of the different characters together.
I just don’t care if people will say the children mechanic is killing the franchise because I care about the characters in general and what they say in the support conversations getting a badass child is just a bonus for me.
Rather have a mixed feeling about the marriage system. As I do like to know my units more in depth by playing through a bunch of supports, it’s basically the fanbase that just ruins it for me. It’s true what they say, “It’s not a Waifu Emblem is you make it one.” But if you keep calling it that, and fans just play it for that reason while that i most talked thing about new Fire Emblem game, then that argument is irrelevant. If it’s a reason why it sold so well and it came back in the next gen then it’s what it exactly looks like.
So you don’t like the marriage system because of the people who like it?
You remind me college when people didn’t like music because it was too mainstream. Your though is equally stupid.
Buy yourself a personnality and start liking things for their own qualities, not for what people will think.
I don’t like the marriage system because people make it act like it’s the sole reason to play Fire emblem, then the devs think it’s okay to lean that way and make more marriage system mechanics to pander and then less content on the mechanics aren’t put in, then I lose faith.
I knew they bring it back. I don’t mind it.
I’m a little more upset about this news than I expected (disclaimer: I’m only modestly irritated). I’m a big fan of Fire Emblem, and that includes Awakening and its unique gameplay features. I’m not offended by the waifu wars or the Outrealms. In this game, I’m not bothered by the hot springs, the face-rubbing, the Awakening clones, or the story implications of these new children. I’m hesitant about this news primarily for gameplay reasons, as well as a personal one.
1) I’m a bit of a completionist and perfectionist. While I liked the eugenics in Awakening, I realized in my later playthroughs that my mind would always linger on the eugenic factors regardless of my pre-established rules for the playthrough. I’d do a no-grinding, no reclassing run, but I’d still agonize over things like “oh no, at this rate Lucina won’t inherit any useful skills! So much lost potential ahhhhh!” It hurts the experience for me. The same goes for how strong the kids are. I’ll have a whole team of Ests (an archetype I love), which makes it hard for me to ignore them. The first gen keeps getting set aside, no matter how strong my convictions are at first. I am sure there are others who can’t shake these thoughts either.
I’ll admit that that’s a matter of self-control, so…
2) I’m a dude and I like dudes. I was gunning for same-sex romance in this game, though I would have survived without it. Also, I LIVE for having a large cast and getting/trying every character possible. I’d say it’s one of the defining reasons I love Fire Emblem. The kids mechanic thus makes for a conflict of interest; it means I have to sacrifice a little part of myself by romancing a woman, or else I lose out on a character that I very much want. Either way, I’m disappointed. I had similar issues with this in Awakening, but I put up with it because I figured it was a one-time deal. This news has re-opened some of those wounds. Even if I have to swallow my pride again, I’m looking at the character list and I’m truly at a loss as to who I’m going to begrudgingly marry. At least in Awakening, I justified marrying Cordelia because in my headcanon, we were just friends who bonded over our mutual unrequited fondness for Chrom. And produced a couple kids along the way (sans intercourse!) because why not. >_>
(and no, don’t bring up the Oboro/Takumi crush in response to that logic)
At any rate, I’m not hating on it, really. I just hope that the fans of this system can recognize that it is far from ideal for everyone. I wouldn’t want this to become a staple of the series if it means they’ll never add same-sex romance. Or even worse, what if same-sex romance locked you out of a character?! I’d rather not think of such horrors…
More for point two, I’m the same way although girl for girls haha. I was -really- looking forward to a chance at being able to marry a woman without having to play as a man (because, quite frankly, you’re stronger than me on that subject. I just couldn’t marry a guy although if I did I probably would have gone for Lon’qu in a very similar fashion. He had gynophobia? Perfect, He can be my purse, I’ll be his beard. 😉 ) I definitely agree though… honestly if it weren’t for Lucina, I would have probably been a single F!MU as opposed to a married M!MU.
Same here ! I wish I was able to romance a girl without having to play as a man … But hey ! We can always hope for extremely ambiguous a-supports, riiiiight ?
Oddly, that Lon’qu idea never occurred to me, even though I used the very same excuse to crush on Guy from Tales of the Abyss!
Also, you reminded me of something that DID occur to me recently. I can only imagine what it would feel like to be a lesbian casually playing Awakening as a confirmed bachelorette, but then “OOPS I GUESS I’M MARRIED TO CHROM NOW.” Yeesh.
Just play as a girl, you can say you’re a trap. This game is not a romance simulator so it really doesn’t matter anyway, I would prefer if they removed this feature all together because half of the support conversations in Awakening are idiotic.
Plus this game is set in the middle ages so same sex romance wasn’t really all that prevalent.
I hear the middle ages also had lots of dragons and magic in it.
(It’s fantasy, it’s not “set in” the middle ages.)
No, I won’t. I mean, I will for the sake of changing things up on later playthroughs, but no. I’m not going to go on a rant or anything, but what you’re saying it pretty offensive in a number of ways. Pray, be cautious…
Also, it does matter in the sense that I need to enter into a heterosexual relationship in order to recruit a character. With a (pseudo) self-insert character, that is. I think it’s quite obvious why some people might be disappointed.
Le sigh* That’s why I always ended up with Anna. She may not be into it, but she seemed like a wife that wouldn’t care if I did some gay antics as long as she could monopolize over it, like selling pictures. Plus…playing on the male version, I always found that there were at least 2 main cast dudes not paired up with any girl. I would honestly rather just put them together than leaving them forever alone.
I understand your plight, but the joke is there, so pray do not take offense.
IF YOU CAN SWALLOW A COCK, YOU CAN SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE.
I avoid the oral stuff, actually…
LOOKS LIKE THE JOKE’S ON YOU. HOHOHO.
I kinda knew that Marriage would come back, but I’m happy for confirmation! What surprises me is the returning children mechanic. I wonder how they plan on explaining it this time (hopefully it will make sense with this story and not be another “from the future thing” like Awakening)? Either way, I’m happy (because more characters=more supports, and considering how the support conversations have been in past games, that’s always a good thing :3)
(*Note: Not trying to be rude here, but I’m just making a point*)
I have to ask, why are so many people getting upset about this? I don’t get it. What has changed so much from FE4: GotHW (or just FE7) for it to get so much hate? Other than getting married during the story instead of the end (and having your children fight by your side), what’s the difference? And no, “Waifus” aren’t a good reason since that has pretty much been a thing since 2007/2008 (yes, I actually looked it up and checked) and it goes where ever (in anime, video games, and manga. Pretty much any fictional characters) , whether people want it or not, and if you aren’t into that waifu stuff, it shouldn’t affect you when playing! Plus, it’s optional, so what’s the issue (unless you don’t like the marriage system or something)? If I’m missing something, could someone please let me know because I don’t get it . (again, not trying to be rude, but I just don’t get all the hate this is getting.)
It’s usually the fandom. Although my guess [and half my reason] is because the whole story behind the children came from the future was a mess. At least in FE4 the 1st generation grew old while you use the children.
I was okay with the children coming from the future in Awakening because it was a one time thing and the first time they did it. If they pull it again, then I’ll be a bit upset. I’m hoping for some sort of time skip for this one.
Same. If it’s a timeskip then wow amazeballs but otherwise it’s disappointing 🙁
But with the previews so far, the parents didn’t look like they aged so…
Yeah, they don’t look older at all. And although I wouldn’t be particularly happy with some other “supernatural” explanation for the kids, I just really hope it isn’t another case of time travel.
or they all drank a Youth Potion lmao
[time travel is a messy plot point to begin with /shudder]
I understand what you mean, but I was okay with it in Awakening. It’s just not a gag I’d like to see them pull again.
ur actually a fuck face
Piss off Ajay
I HATED THAT CHAR XD
The main problem I have with the mechanic returning in FE14 is that the game clearly is trying to be something different from Awakening, yet has to be shackled closer to its predecessor by the mechanic.
At no point has FE14 stated it is trying to be different. It’s trying to be better, and right now better means taking the most popular features of the last game, polishing it and adding more features. If something works you do not ditch it so easily.
I’m making inferences from what I saw. Why would they bother trying two different versions, or making a darker, emotional story (hopefully), or greatly diversifying classes, if they weren’t trying to distinguish this game from Awakening?
The mechanic stands at odds with the story they are trying to tell and feels shoehorned in.
I’ll use an example: Halo 4. That game introduced custom equipment loadouts to multiplayer. The game sold great. The core fanbase wasn’t happy, though. Come Halo 5, what does 343 do? Cut them and try to do a unique experience that attracts both sides. If all they cared about was maximizing sales, they would’ve kept them.
Well clearly that was your mistake then.
First of all, you can’t possibly compare Halo and custom loadouts with FE and its marriage system. One has a solid following, the other has only just clawed its way out of near extinction. Second, Intelligent Systems IS trying to attract both sides. FE Fates looks to have solid gameplay and story (you said so yourself) AND marriage. What’s wrong with trying to have the best of both worlds? And the key word is trying. 343 gambled, so let Intelligent Systems gamble too. It could come out beautifully, we don’t know.
They didn’t say they’re trying to be defferent by mechanics, but by story. They updated the mechanics better for fans of both sides, hell they made to two virsion of the game. Also how do you think video game franchise work?
The thing is, a lot of the FE games have been like this. Look at FE6 and 7. There weren’t many changed made. Like everyone’s been saying, they just took the basis and tried to improve on it. Same with Sacred Stones. It’d be one thing if they were jumping to a new console, but they aren’t. So they make do with what they have.
By the way is anyone gonna translate these posts to english because I want to know what’s with the third page in the fist picture.
YES! YES! YES! YES!
…Meh
I’m hoping this doesn’t become an emphasized trend with FE games, but as long as IS implements the children’s relevance, maybe they can push the story further in terms of depth.
One thing I really I don’t want are carbon copies (especially from Awakening). The first trailer seriously gave me an impression of an entirely new atmosphere so I’d be really nice is this game maintains its distinctiveness among others.
Let me make this clear: I don’t hate Awakening (in fact I’m playing it right now lol)
A new story line, the mechanics are updated to be then the last game. Dumb ass
As of this post, the Report had disappeared. :c
I wonder if children will play parts in the third way, the dlc. Like my father and mother failed to unite both land, so it’s up to me. Years later
If I can’t make gay babies with Rinka then what’s the point
Not that I mind the recurrence of children characters; customizable characters add a lot to the game, although they do make it a lot easier. It also makes it easier to get attached to the characters.
That said, it would have been nice if they did it differently instead of twice in a row. Just off the top of my head, there could be a teacher/student system, for example, where certain recruits can be assigned to an older, more experienced member of your army, allowing them to inherit skills and maybe classes from them.
you’re all just hipsters, awakening was good and the marriage system was the best shytt ever, it made me feel more attached to the game. if you don’t wanna get married then don’t, just be lonely, but don’t say the feature is bad.
Btw guys dont forget that their main target is the japanese audience so even if the west dont like the game that just makes more probable if they make other game it will just stay in japan … and thats sad since we only have cars, football and gun games -.-
As a stand alone game and/or a Fire Emblem modern day AU fanfic sort of thing, I could see myself playing this. I think it’s unique enough to stand on its own merits (really all video games should do that… but y’know…) and who knows? It may get me into Shin Megami Tensei… or something.
At least it doesn’t seem to be just another mediocre JRPG with Fire Emblem themed Lovecraftian enemies……. right?
But a FE game with Lovecraftian enemies would be incredible.
If done properly with a honest plot element explaining thus, than yes it would.
The project clearly has a a great deal thought put into every detail of its theme though, from the music, to the dungeons, to the battle stage and system.
Interested in seeing where these kids really come from.
I have no problems with the marriage and kid system as long as the story doesn’t become stupid because of it (not a fan of shoehorning in time travel and multiple dimensions;Awakening’s way of doing children feels like an afterthought, like most of the game).
It’s one of the few additions to the series that I’m fine with and one of the few things I’m okay with for Fates. Most of the rest of the game might as well just be considered a new IP.
“FErsona” and not “FEMT”.
Just letting it sink in…
It’s more Persona X Persona than anything.
Right now i’m more excited for the spinoff that tries to appeal only to Otakus, Fujoshis and Weeaboos than the new main game in the FE series and it REALLY shouldn’t be that way.
(um kinda off topic sorry ‘~’)
Ok I don’t think I’ve seen a post about this, but I was reviewing the ‘my castle’ video, specifically the part where you are in your room and can chose some to play fire emblem – amie with. In that screen it has some sprites, and some have a ‘heart’ next to them, which i’m pretty sure signifies you can romance and marry them. Three of the sprites have hearts, the first having pink hair, second having green hair, and third having blue hair
the pink haired girl is obviously the maid, Felicita, and the blue haired girl is that aqua/azura girl.
what i found interesting was that the green haired person is Suzukaze, the male ninja that follows you on both paths.
Also, the sprite with the gold and red hair is definitley rinka, but you can’t romance her as the male avatar.
sooo does this mean gay marriage is confirmed for the game? Maybe Suzukaze is bisexual, and can marry both male and female characters? or maybe with rinka you havne’t completed some ‘requirement’ to start romancing her? What do you guys all think?
Ummmm….all I can say is that until further information is revealed, its safe to say the hearts just mean building friendship. Kind of like how the male avatar in awakening would have the heart symbol appear over him and a paired up male unit when their support increased. The heart at this point is used for the universal friendship/bonding symbol. As for why those three had it and not the others….I can probably guess that’s showing those three units are the closest to increasing their support to the nextlevel. I’ll just leave it at that because I sure as hell not going to try and somehow have another Shingeki no Marriage shitstorm happen like what happened in that last post revealing Marriage coming back (Yeah….after all those comments blew up over there I’ve not even bothered to even click that link….at least the starting comments).
Yeah, that makes sense. The hearts could mean the ones you have a close friendship or high relationship with, which is funny cause it looks like he hasn’t been talking with his sister at all XD
we really won’t know anything til the game and the support list comes out… until then it’s all pretty much guesswork :
lol yeah i took a look at that comments page and pretty much clicked right out.
Yes, marriage is confirmed, but the hearts in the “Fire Emblem Amie” aren’t tied to marriage. In a different screenshot, it shows Silas having a heart icon, next to the females. I don’t know what the hearts mean though… Maybe you can only invite that character when the heart is there? Or it shows their relationship is at the highest level?
I doubt gay marriage is in. If there were gay marriage, you’d lock out some of the children characters. Sorry if you swing that way and wanted it to happen. I also thought it might have been possible, but having child characters kind of destroys that idea.
Yeah, that’s what i figured too. Especially if the children are locked to the fathers. Like, there probably is a way to maneuver around all the couples so they all have child, regardless of if they’re gay/straight couples, but that would be way to complicated to implement, I doubt they’d bother.
I’m actually ace, so I don’t swing either way lol. In Awakening I didn’t actually marry off any of the characters (bar Chrom), and honestly I doubt I’m going to do it in Fates either. I guess it’s something I’d more like to see as a concept than actually partake in.
It’s going to be so gut-punching if one of the bosses on either game you have to end up killing (with that character being a character that’s playable on the other path). Then again, it makes for a good game; so bring on the angst!!
“Azura curse you!!” – Skyrim 😛
Seriously, though, Azura would be the feminine form of Azure, which is the shade of blue that the sky is… Sky=Blue, Water=Blue? And also water is usually blue because it reflects the sky….
I just think there’s more connection between Aqua and Azura than that they both begin and end with A… (though that is relevant… not sayin’ it ain’t….)
Aqua, Azura, Icea, Blizzarda, Skya, Dropsa :))
The first time I played Awakening I didn’t know what the ranks meant. I was automatically paired off with Chrom.
It wasn’t until the 2nd playthrough I discovered I could pair off everyone else.
So you CAN avoid the marriage system.
I don’t know why everyone is complaining. If it wasn’t for Awakening they wouldn’t be making anymore FE games.
Exactly!!
In other words, Tiki is Hatsune Miku. Okay.
We kinda guessed as much from the first trailer.
Well, I’m kinda slow.
Marth be like “Shiida! What are you wearing?!”
“Do I know you?”
*Marth shot down*
It’s a good thing that Marth has Chris somewhere in his basement
I really want these in the rest of the world I would spend so much money on it.
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The time to unfollow (not “unlike” though) the Facebook page to (possibly) avoid further spoilers is nigh…
Man, I was planning on going into this spoiler-free, but I kind of also want to find out how both games work separately…..I guess I’ll stay away from the story spoilers at the very least.
This comment isn’t about the pre-release section but the regular(?) section: The image you put for Nohr Prince(ss) is actually that of the Dark Blood
Thanks. I didn’t even notice that o__o
Let’s see how long I can resist my temptations to spoil myself… I handled myself enough during Awakening, so…
Not to sound picky or anything, but would it be possible to make Female Corrin the Avatar picture for the Nohr page? She’s prominently featured as being the “Nohr Avatar,” based on the Cipher and the case cover images, and it would be a good idea to show both canon avatar appearances in the character section. Just a thought.
That’s a good idea.
I was too tired after sorting out all the pages to think of that : P
hmm looking at the child that looks like Tharja, that gives me an idea that there going to use the top 4 popular first generation characters from the first game similar to how there using severa, inigo, and owain in this game….. except maybe they will be 2nd generation characters this time around instead of first generation characters… just a thought though
get ready mods some of them are streaming the game right NOW!!!!
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Are birthdays available for this game? I’d like to know!
A+ rank for same gender? Does this mean paired endings, too?
Well this is a whole lot of confusing. We would have to wait until someone actually finishes the game before we know what it means.
Avatar x Camilla hype.
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Same about the whole no gay marriage thing then.
I hope this means that there are cannon marriages for the characters. Perhaps its unlikely but I think the characters would get some actual better characterization if they all weren’t spread so thin.
i smell the hate is comming xD
…And you find it funny that people would object to incestuous relations?
I may approve of the marriage system coming back.
There is something about the whole incest relationship I don’t like.
…sigh…I watch too much game of thrones…
I’m more mad about the fact that they pulled the whole “not blood related” crap. I could get being able to marry only your Nohr siblings; after all, Aversa was your adopted sister in Awakening and you could marry her (and get the amazing Shadowgift on Morgan). But then they pull something like “you’re not entirely related to your Hoshido siblings.” Which urges the question “why would I side with them, then?” I get that you weren’t supposed to learn this until later on-but that doesn’t excuse the poor writing. They should have just kept them at A rank and nothing more.
Like, I understand that in some cultures, it’s okay to marry, say, your stepsiblings, and even your cousins. But pulling the “not blood related” card is just poor execution.
Considering the Avatar turns into a dragon and none of the Hoshido siblings do, I think them not being blood related might have been the deal all along.
Honestly, I’m not surprised, and legitimately ecstatic about this possibility. Because naturally once you find out about this, it completely changes Kamui’s perspective of the whole thing. In fact, it could even be that Kamui was purposely manipulated to go back to Hoshido. I mean, its possible that the other siblings don’t know about it (certainly the younger ones do not).
Regardless, I don’t think this has anything to do with the marriage system. Considering Kamui can turn into a dragon and none of the others can… well, Sara Jaye said the exact same thing lol.
It was in FE before
ONCE, as part of a villian’s plan, to show how crazy and despicable they were.
and Eirika and Ephraim :^)
oh dont mind me
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When 2 characters hit an s-rank they can have a baby, that news has just recently been released
Please IS…for the love of everything…
No incest.
Wonder if they are going to change it like how they did for the west, where if you married say Lucina and Owain they would be called life partners or something. Don’t know if they are going to change it somehow, if they do over here, since there are definitely some people who would find it weird if incest was in the game, even though marrying is optional and at the end of the day it’s just a game.
INCEST IS WINCEST!!!1!!
Wait…if the avatar can’t get a A+ Support rank with the same gender…does that mean the avatar can get a S rank with the same gender? EDIT: Wait, looking at the link from that A+, nevermind. 🙁
I kinda wish that they based the child characters on the royals and neutral characters rather than the males in general.
I think that would make it easier to include them in the plot, since it’s all about Loyalty vs Bloodline.
What I didn’t like about Awakening was that the children characters were interesting but didn’t do anything plot relevant, except for Lucina, and she was the only one not optional.
and personally, I would care more about recruitting Felicia’s or Camilla’s kid than I would about Tsubaki’s Cordelia expy daughter. (I liked Cordelia in Awakening and Tsubaki sounds interesting, but I’d prefer someone with a role in the plot.)
Welp, all the characters have been revealed and they look pretty neat for the most part -I can only imagine the supports between Leon and his son-(though the children seem younger this time around….makes it weirder to S-support with them when they look like 12 year olds….or are 12….especially the slightly lewd turn Amie goes once you reach S-support). At this point I just want to know what the heck A+ support means (though the livestream players are being as heterosexual as possible so its going to be a while)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIN7VXbWEAA8zIs.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/madoushikouli
This image comes from Kouli’s Twitter, yup. Believe what you think, also Kouli deserves the credit by all means.
I feel like this should be shared, as people in some of the marriage comments were wondering:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/23/8836513/fire-emblem-fates-same-sex-relationships-nintendo
While it’s only one character per route, it’s a start.
I was about to post that too. Little steps Nintendo, little steps will do.
It certainly is a start. Given how disappointed I was about kids seemingly deconfirming same-sex romance, this is a welcome surprise. It seems you won’t get locked out of the children characters either, which is excellent. Though… how are we supposed to believe that we adopted Kanna when his/her design and class specifically reference the Avatar’s bloodline/pointy ears/dragon-shifting powers? Hmm…
Also I can’t say I approve of the extremely limited options being so… iffy. If Shara is anything like Tharja, she’ll be a morally ambiguous stalker, and Zero is already a confirmed sadist. I really just wanted Silas (bi option available on both paths! It could have been so simple!), but instead they chose literally my least favourite guy in the cast. DARN IT.
From the looks of it, not counting Male Kamui, there’s 20 children, and 22 1st gen male playable Characters. So if anything we could of had the option for those 2 other non-child bearing male characters to be choices along-side with Zero. From the looks of it, there’s 23 female 1st gen characters, so they could have made up to 3 options for the girls. Plus, then again, if the child/ren you get through these are adopted, I really don’t see why that couldn’t work with any other choice.
*intelligent rant*
(inb4 people accusing of making everyone gay/bi). All because the option to hook up with any character exists doesn’t mean that all the characters are gay/bi, they’re only the sexuality you choose them to be. In this case, it would be logical to only have one canon gay/bi character as you can only have one S support. So there wouldn’t be any proof of the others sexualities as S-rank is where all the romance happens for the hetero ships, the same goes for the homosexual ships. Hell, looking at translated FeMU and Shara, you really only get the feel of canon lesbianism in the S-support. Everything before that was pure friendship. So I don’t get why people would go “Oh, you can’t put gay marriage as an option because that means everyone in the game is gay!”, that’s not how the game system works people. This isn’t a stab at them only have one choice per each game, as I can live with that. But like Kipper said….both options had to be the psycho-ones.
Precisely what I’ve been thinking. People say making everyone bi isn’t realistic or that it excludes strictly gay/lesbian characters, but couldn’t we easily just look at it as some sort of Schrodinger’s Sexuality situation? Awakening had the CBA supports remain (generally) platonic until BAM, the S support shows up and sometimes even retcons the previous supports to make them romantic in nature.
In a similar vein, during any one playthrough of Fates, the characters could have had no specified sexuality until they got their S support. I’m avoiding spoilers at this point, but it seems something like this is already happening with the F!Kamui/Shara romance, so it’s already being done! As such, I feel like “making everyone bi” isn’t problematic in the slightest. Instead, it would give players lots of options all while preventing the characters from being written with their sexuality as their defining trait.
I don’t think sexuality is something that should be used so loosely as a character trait. I believe that it’s just as important to their character as their values, beliefs, and interests. If a character is made a bisexual because the artists decided that orientation fits how that character was born and/or views the world then fine, that is their artistic vision. However, when a characters sexual orientation is left ambiguous simply because of the what the player may or may not want, it cheapens the character for me.
Say there is a character named Bill, Bill is an easygoing comedic man. Unless of course you don’t appreciate humor in which case you can turn off that trait and he will become a more straightforward and melancholy type of guy. Clearly, this presents a problem with good character design, as who the character exactly is gets put into question. To some people, this analogy is completely irrelevant, they don’t consider sexual orientation to be on the same level as a personality trait such as “funny” or “dour” or “ditsy”, and they are completely entitled to that opinion. For me though, I’d like to know that a character is oriented towards the way he/she perceives the world, not because the player wants them to be something the may or may not have been intended to be.
I was pretty bummed over Silas too; I still think a small choice (albeit two iffy choices and it has to be the more trope-y characters) are better than no choices at all. Maybe in the next FE there will be more homosexual/bisexual characters, especially if all goes well sale and reception-wise.
Polygon is garbage
I feel like I should post this in here since some people were asking:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/23/8836513/fire-emblem-fates-same-sex-relationships-nintendo
Might as well give a bit of good news in this thread.
I feel like the gay/lesbian option should be available for both genders in both versions, but it’s still a good thing that the option exists at all.
It’s not a big change, since it’s only one option each, but, hey, “small actions have ripple effects”
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Excuse me but I was wondering if there is any information if North American release will have the same special edition bundle that comes with all three routes/games?
Does anyone have an answer to my question?
There is literally no confirmation on anything. So no. We don’t even know if we’re getting the games discounted yet.
No confirmation as of right now.
On another note (since I already talked about the main topic enough), looking at the character designs, I’m actually pleased that they’re more diverse this time around than with Awakening. Judging by the livestreams, both paths are indeed different enough to be called separate games. I just hope the discount price goes over here too.
*after the fact*
Holy Crap, I can say for one I am genuinely surprised with how things turned out in the game. Something was revealed about the whole royal family situation thing and I can say it was the last thing that came to my mind about them.
Now we just need to figure out what the A+ supports entail. If they are simply the same sex marriage/coupling options for other characters than the protagonist then I’ll be happy. I’ll be rather upset if they’re all just “best friend” routes.
It’ll probably be something like very close allies. Like they’ll make sure the other is okay on the battlefield in a story like sense.
Essentially if there is a paired ending with A+, it’ll be something along the lines of bros for life.
I don’t see it being anything but “BFFs” – I assume they’ve included this because you could only get the best stat boosts when characters were married, but you would think friends could achieve the same boosts anyways.
I actually prefer if being BFF.
I want same-sex marriage in this game, but I would find weird if every character could turn straight or homo depending on the player wishes.
I prefer the notion of each character having their established sexuality – be it straight, homo or bi (but yeah, I hope the day will come when there will be more than one homossexual unit so you can marry them and no just with the avatar). For this reason, I really hope Zero and Syala are only available for same-sex marriage.
Yeah, I think that’s what they’re going for, and I hope that too. I think that it would be odd for everyone being able to flip either way.
The kind of friendship where all of their other friends think they’re gay for each other but they ain’t. They’re just super tight.
Friendships>>>>>>>romances
What I’m really worried about is the censoring/butchering that may be incoming with the skinship lines when S rank. Any word on that?
I know the three paths will be awsome and the tactical theme of the game should be the main aspect and it´s getting overshadowed by all the marriage thing, which I do not really apreciate. But unlogically, I like all the characters and their children so much that I do not think that I will have enough files to save and marry all the guyzs… and I am going crazy.
Well, now people can stop complaing about whether or not it’s gonna be separate in the west, because there’s your answer. Good news though for people who wanted same sex marriages I guess.
Anyone know who Syalla is?
The girl who looks like Tharja
It’s the Japanese name for Tharja.
Actually, Tharja’s Japanese name is Sallya; Syalla (Shara) is the new character.
I actually have a few concerns about how Nintendo is handling this:
1) I’m pretty sure that the west will complain about the fact that the only two same sex options are psychotic
2)literally only two same sex options, one for each game which makes the way its split is even more limiting for character relationships
This is just my personal opinion but i think it would be best to add a few more options into the mix (at least 3 more in each game) so that there is more personality balance with the same sex options instead of literally saying “in all your army there’s like only one gay dude you can choose, everyone else in the world is completely straighter than virions arrow”. Belka is a perfect example of another person that could have been a same sex option. Meanwhile this game has a fuck ton of incest (full on brother sister incest at that), which makes me honestly wonder, why is it that the options for us are that limited?
I was a little upset too that the same-sex options were for the more trope-y characters, but I think this is still better than nothing. If FE: Fates does well, it may spell for more same-sex marriage options in the future. This is just out of curiosity, but why did you think Belka would be a perfect example of another character who could have been a same-sex option?
her defining trait is that she likes strong girls, then again it could just be a case of simply admiring the strength in her fellow ladies in battle. I’m guessing her case is just a matter of perspective? Idk honestly
I thought it was Camilla who likes strong girls–the main reason why Belka is her subordinate. But I see where you’re coming from. Thank you for answering my curiosity! c:
I thought the same as well, until i read and researched a bit more, from my understanding Camilla is possesive of the protagonist (i paid a liiitle too mutch attention to Treehouse and i kinda regret how much Ive spoiled myself with plot related stuff that I should have saved for next year). this summer is really gonna be rough on everyone with all the spoiler circling around, and i plan to avoid them as much as possible 🙂
I just read Male Kamui x Zero’s S-Support….and by god its so precious! I thought it would be pretty dumb considering Zero’s a raging Sadist, but it turned out to be pretty sweet/adorable. Granted, its probably really similar to the hetero S-Support of Zero, but the addition of extra lines consisting sexuality really made it sound all the more realistic.
haha~ just read it, i honestly thought it was gonna be terribly made but it’s so freakin’ adorable! if they transfer it like that when it comes out to the rest of us in 2016, then i take part of what i said back 🙂
Do you have a link to the S-support conversation between Male Kamui and Zero?
I found it somewhere in the spoilers forum and that thing grows pages by the minute. So sorry, I don’t have it….I know its somewhere on there.
It’s good to hear that (and thanks for not spoiling it for me and the other users on this thread; I really appreciate it.) By any chance, have you read the support for the same-sex marriage female character?
I did….but I don’t really remember how it went. But I know that Shara keeps to her character throughout….not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.
Hm… well, consistency isn’t bad? I guess if anything I’m wondering whether or not she’s an exact clone of Tharja’s personality but I guess I’ll just find out next year when the game comes out to NA regions. Thanks though! c:
Fire Emblem Awakening and Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War both had cousin incest.
Not to mention that with the right combination Lucina could marry her nephew, gotta admit not really complaining of the fact that there is incest present, I’m really complaining about the fact that there are only two available same sex S supports while there are six s supports (from what I’ve heard) with blood relatives. Keep in note I can’t really count the Nohr siblings and kids cause they aren’t blood related to the avatar, however its understandable when people get iffy simply because they were raised to love each other like siblings.
Leon and Aqua can S-support and it was confirmed that Aqua is Garon’s daughter.
Welp, that makes it seven.
There is no brother on sister incest.
In this installment of Fire Emblem, there is. You can S support any opposite sex sibling, blood related or not you can go for it.
Except no blood relation, so it’s not incest.
How is there no blood relation when Kamui can literally marry Ryoma, Kamui’s biological older brother? If you are talking about the Nohr siblings then you are right but the Hoshido siblings are Kamui’s biological brothers and sisters… ergo they are blood related cause they share the same parents.
I could say more, but I guess you haven’t heard of the spoilers.
They are half siblings. Still incest
Nope. That’s incorrect too.
come on, spoiler me
Long story short, Mikoto didn’t give birth to any of the Hoshido siblings. Not any of them.
Well shit. What’s the point of joining Hoshido now
That was supposed to be the hidden point, that you’ve been lied to and that you’re really a pawn to both sides (well people are revealing it now so it kind of kills the point for choosing that side). Though I would still advise for people not to directly spoil stuff outside of the forums. Because spoiler tag functions don’t work here.
Oh, then the very last part of my first comment is invalid now, so basically the other children are from a concubine, correct? Few, thanks for informing me, gives me a better perspective on the games situation 😀
Ok but seriously though no more spoilers people might get a heart attack XD
Dude, incest is incest whether you’re related to a person by blood or not, since you’re raised to believe those people are your family. Saying that it’s not incest because they’re not really related harms real life people and families who adopt children or are adopted. It’s basically saying “the family that chose you to be their child isn’t really your family” which I’m sure I don’t have to explain why that’s so hurtful and disgusting to say.
well another achievement for LGBT community *clap clap*
i looked for the Fire Emblem if special edition rom in baidu and i realized its size is 1.69 gb, how is it possible to be two times bigger than awakening while both games included have lower size than the previous game? (awakening was 2gb) that worries me
First off the game just reuses tons of assets, if you have one version you have pretty much all the data. I doubt that their is 50 GBs of original content to separate versions.
But both games contain many original maps with their own assets. They both have their own CGI cutscenes (and there are a lot of them). Last I checked the carts were 3 gb each so something’s off about the rom.
A lot of that data is shared between. They do have some unique maps though. Although designing maps is not very labor intensive.
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Day one buy is totally contingent on my ability to get the special edition. I can buy that, sure got it, good day one I snag it from my pre order. If I can’t fuck it like 100 JRPGS will launch in the same season including SMT X Fire Emblem.
Do we know which cards are in each Starter Set? Since I’m assuming not all Awakening characters are in it’s Starter, and vice-versa. I want to get a deck, and am leaning Marth’s series, but Anna could tip me over into getting the Awakening one.
I’m happy we finally can be gay and all, but what about the children? Do you just… not have any? Adopt one?
Kamui’s child Kanna will be adopted for these S supports. I think zero’s child will also be adopted, maybe as a whole or just for his gay S support, too. Syalla is already a child character, so you can’t have an additional child with her anyway.
I also believe that this time around, instead of the mother, the child you get is dependent on the father.
I’ll wait for the overpriced copy that has all 3 routes on one cartridge (or at least the first two with the third as DLC) for $90.
Or I’ll wait for them all to be on sale so I don’t have to pay for more than $50-60 for all three. I can’t get myself excited for this one though, despite being an FE lover, since this just isn’t a real FE to me. More like a spinoff for casuals and anime fans (I’m also an anime fan, so I still will be getting this).
That same sex marriage is awesome news though!
Just wondering, but how is it not a ‘real’ FE? What even constitutes as a ‘real’ FE game?
Oh boy, going through the live feed thread I accidentally came across something. Without spoilers, Lets just say the “choice” aspect goes even farther than just simply choosing your path. Like holy crap, this is actual serious stuff, as in decisions that actually have an outcome on the game (compared to Awakenings pointless “Should I let her live-or-not” option, when Emm still commits suicide either ways). So asides from the….anime additions, don’t worry, this game is just as FE as the rest, hell, even more in some aspects.
That sounds pretty awesome, because the choices Awakening offered were basically just two different endings. (Both endings were pretty happy outcomes anyways. Thanks for not spoiling any details, by the way. c:)
I agree that the art style and the characterizations aren’t like previous FEs, save for FE13, but if anything, the mechanics are still rooted in a turn-based system where you move your units one by one and there’s a weapon triangle to consider. There’s some adjustments of course (the Attack/Guard stance feature, durability removed, stat modifiers on weapons) but FE still has its basic foundations mechanics-wise. (Let’s not forget supports!)
I guess this is just my personal opinion, but as long as FE keeps those core features, it’ll always be a ‘real’ FE to me.
Let’s just say the games for the most part aren’t as optimistic as awakening as. Actually scratch that, there’s a ton of mood whiplash in this game because of the my castle and main story.
What games? The other FE games?
The only thing that constitutes anything being a “real” part of any series (whether Fire Emblem or otherwise) is it being set in that particular universe and remaining true to established canon/lore. Like for instance in Fire Emblem’s case, I would argue that it wasn’t really much like Fire Emblem if just anyone was able to pick up Falchion and wield it.
So we get Same-sex marriages before we get skintone options? I see your priorities Nintendo.
As cool as that would be, if there were skin tone options, who would believe Kamui is related to the Hoshido royal family? For the sake of this story, Kamui has to show believable relation. Of course, hair colors don’t count since FE characters always have whatever color they want.
So? Same sex marriage doesn’t make sense in Feudal/Medieval society (yes i know its an alternate universe) but that didn’t stop them from adding it. I and many other players would be willing to sacrifice practical continuity of the story for more options.
That “So?” is the point. I can understand people saying this about Awakening since Validar’s skin-tone was….(I have no idea what race he goes by) rather interesting. Along with the fact if the avatar went with Basilio or Flavia, Morgan wouldn’t have a different skin-tone. So in those cases, they could of used the directive imagination to actually allow different skin-tones. But Fates is a whole other deal as Kamui’s “True” parents are already set with their race/skin-color. So Kamui being born as a completely different race/skin-color would be a sacrifice on continuity.
You and those others are letting what you want cloud an obvious genetics attempt that’s on par of horrible fan ficition writing. Now if you and other people wanted Kamui to have different skin tones while not changing his race (ala Vaike being majorly tan), then that I can understand. As Kamui doesn’t have to be pale beyond belief as he is right now. I mean its not like he couldn’t get a tan or whatever along the line.
But to completely take away common genetics all because its an alternate-fantasy setting is not good support (for genetics, not lifestyle choices. Because FE always took place in an medieval-era, but never once was it stated that it was “THE” medieval-era we all know. So real-life comparisons can only go so far when history obviously worked differently for them as it does here). Fantasy does not overrule common science. Fantasy can take over science, but not just outright replace the blueprints.
The most obvious support with this I can give is with Pokemon x/y, where they allowed you to choose the race/skin-tone of your character. That’s because only the mother was revealed, so without the father, there was nothing concrete in what race your character was. But Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, you didn’t have that option because both parents for both characters are known.
The only thing I can say is that if they do decide to continue on with the Franchise, that the next game the MU won’t have any, or at least 1, parents revealed, so they can actually have creative freedom with the skin. The only thing I can say is that instead of people complaining, they need to get a big enough force to bring this to the attention of Nintendo’s Eyes. Because do you honestly think Fates would even have the homosexual option if that huge petition (albeit failed one) wasn’t brought to their attention (the Tomodachi Life one). That showed them that enough people were actually ticked off about the forced hetero-relationships that we were being forced upon in video games.
You don’t need to win something to actually win. As SVU usually says, “The real victory is exposing the other person for what they really are to the world.”
With Nintendo saying they want to make a game that reflects the people who play it in a diverse manner, I will say the not inclusion of skin tones goes against what they said (though Fates kind of has a genetic excuse). So either you or someone else needs to use that point and create a petition or whatever and bring that to their attention, but to merely compare one video game minority to another (Japanese Videogames at least), is not the way to go. I would have more concrete points to say but at this point I would just be going on-and-on.
Only what I want is important, screw everyone else.
Which is exactly what the petitioners were thinking.
And no one is more right than the others. We all want certain things from the game, so I would just be happy for the people who have the features they want instead making snide remarks that don’t benefit anyone. If you want that feature then make your voice heard the same way the other people did. Nintendo said in the statement that they heard about the request for same sex relationship, so they’re including it in the game.
Separate versions…not a fan of the “But you can get the others for DLC!” option. But I won’t mind too much if I can get a presumed Collector’s Edition. I just want all three versions on one cart, not one system.
Wouldn’t this be like a 7 gb cart though? That would be hugely expensive to mass produce. Though the special edition is possible I guess.
What was the TCG promo card in the Special Edition?
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I’m happy about this even if our gay options are limited. This bodes well for future games, in my opinion.
On another note, I’m finding out some rather grim spoilers. Though considering the source for them is TVTropes I wonder just how true they are. Unless SF or the FE Wiki says something, it’s probably just wild mass guessing on the main pages.
But what happens if you wanna reclass to your spouse’s class and it’s locked like Songstress for example?
How do we know they’ll become locked at that point? Maybe my Azura, since Kamui will be marrying her for me, will be able to reclass into a Nohr Princess.
That’s a good question, considering Songstress/Singer is one of the handful of gender-locked classes. My guess is that it just won’t be there.
Well as the way things are turning out by how different the campaign’s really are, I will take their word that the 3rd path is going to be a lot different (potentially new maps or whatever) .Mad props for Kibayashi’s daughter who essentially motivated him further to work on this project.
Some people managed to download the 3rd path early and a lot of the missions are different, taking place in another country. The story is very different too.
thanks for the confirmation!
Considering “Black Kingdom” became “Conquest” and “White Kingdom” became “Birthright”, I wonder what “Invisible Kingdom” will be localized as.
Based on the numbering (New Mystery as the 13th game, Fates as the 15th), it looks like Fire Emblem BS is officially a main game.
What would BS be? FE12?
BS is FE5, it was released in 1997 after all.
Yeah, BSFE is FE5 according to Nintendo. To be honest, Nintendo remember and forget about BSFE all the time, so the numbering system keeps changing by one.
In the game code, Fates is 15 though (Awakening was 14 and New Mystery was 12 because they didn’t count BSFE then).
I ‘m gonna make a guess of the 3’rd path name from what we know already. My thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but hear me out first. :3 Let’s see…
FE If: Black Kingdom is FE Fates: Conquest since the Nohr like to seek glory.
FE If: White Kingdom is FE Fates: Birthright since the protagonist was born a hoshidian.
I’m guessing that FE If: Invisible Kingdom will be either FE Fates: Eclipse, FE Fates: Twilight, or FE Fates: Chaos (or possibly none of the above, but we’ll see in due time). I think that due to:
1.) It’s a path that you wouldn’t really see at first (it’s kinda hidden or obscure) since you are pressured to choose between the two families/sides. Eclipses are only seen when the earth, sun, and moon are aligned. What does that have to do with this? Think about how eclipses work. Do eclipses happen often? No. Are they easy to see? No (not really anyway). Ok, now think back to your decision. Is the third choice easy to see? No. Would the two sides think you would choose neither side. No. A bit similar, don’t you think? (Hopefully how I said it makes sense!)
2.) Since you didn’t choose either side, you will probably be hit from both sides, which will be chaos!
3.) The 2 versions are kinda giving off a “Light and Dark” side kind of thing. What’s between light and darkness? Twilight!
4.) Maybe, just maybe, you’ll build your own kingdom, and (or just try to) fix the other two. In a way not easily seen by others.
While I try to give a explanation for each one, the first one speaks for each one the most (sorta). Again, my thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but it’s a possibility! I like to think out there, you know what I mean? Now, what do YOU guys think? :3
so, if i buy the eShop version of the Game… i got both versions at the same time?
if so, THAT’S GENIOUS!
There’s something of note for European players in this Iwata Asks on the Nintendo UK site.
Any time the interview addresses the games being sold separately there’s a disclaimer footnote that the method of distribution in Europe is NOT finalized and will be announced later this year. So we MAY get lucky and get all three games on one cart!
Thanks, I didn’t even think about that and I live in the UK, haha.
When two characters marry, each character can reclass to their spouse’s base class (using a Marriage Seal). For example, if a Knight marries a Ninja, they can reclass to a Ninja.
I find this to be an interesting way to get skills…. wait…
Isn’t there a way to steal a streetpassed unit’s skills and give them to your version of the unit? This is suddenly much more interesting to think about.
Yes, you can buy skills for the same character after defeating another player in My Castle. That’s the only way to get certain skills on the Avatar…
The author’s last name is actually Kibayashi.
Bond Units sounds interesting. More things to do when you meet with your friends.
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I don’t live in Japan (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
No Flannel or Nishiki badges….the sacrilege!
Gotta say, that necklace looks pretty damn nice.
Can someone please tell me who is the character between Ike and Chrom in the pictures with the Lords? is it supposed to be Morgan?
I’m pretty sure that’s Lucina; do you see that hint of her shoulder armor?
I was about to say it’s part of Chrom’s armor, and then I remembered that he dosen’t have a armor on his right arm. Hahaha.
I guess it is Lucina, but she looks more like Morgan in this for some reason. Maybe I need a new pair of glasses. Hahaha.
I think it’s just the hair color; Lucina’s hair looks more black than royal blue in the picture.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Please for the love of GAWD tell me when can change the voices back to japanese! I have Rosetta for learning japanese but have been lazy and haven’t made it past unit 2 but if this game doesn’t allow voice change i swear i’ll finish rosetta before the game comes out and by myself a japanese 3ds and this game(s ; provided we get 1 version)
Man I wish I lived in Japan! Or really wealthy.
Nice! Now let’s hope sales over here are equally good.
Has there been any mention of additional DLC besides the “true path” one so far?
Not officially, besides that “there will be some”.
Unofficially (via hacking), there looks to be a similar number as Awakening. The best known ones are a beach DLC and a DLC involving 3 Awakening early-game characters.
Hm, that’s interesting. I guess my wallet’s going to lose weight again; thank you!
Getting my copy delivered tomorrow. 🙂
It’s great that the sales have done so well for the 1st week. Hopefully it continues to sell really well over in Japan, and when its finally available in the US/EU it sells even better if not around the same.
🙁 I wish I could get my hands on this stuff, it looks fantastic and I am super jealous.
Wonder if anyone will scan those cards, or post the music…
Anyone know when pre-orders will be available for Western copies?
More cards with artworks ;A; I’m crying. I want those so bad.
Lmao the Lords picture. No representative for 7? Welp I guess Roy was enough :))
for the nohr character introductions why did u put build 1 Fem avatar because the default is build 2 fem avatar u can even see
in the picture above and wikia
Really hoping they bring Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn to the Wii U.
You can still play Radiant Dawn on the Wii U since its a Wii game. But yeah, PoR definitely needs to come out. Or ecen better, get an HD remake for WiiU like WindWaker.
Well the problem then is getting a hold of the games for non-ridiculous amounts if you don’t already have them. Or, in my case, have to replace a disc. It’s not that I have a problem paying the money but I’d rather give it to Nintendo straight…
Ditto for me. POR works fine but my copy of RD is dead.
You mean a remake of a 25 year old game.
I meant at the time of Shadow Dragon’s release, but I guess it sounds a bit strange : P
No you’re right, it makes more sense that way.
Screw Nintendo and their lack of 3ds classic FE ports.
Question, in today’s update, it said that Dragonstone+ was a magic weapon, does this mean the damage it does uses the magic stat, not the strength stat, like in awaking?
Oh ****… it’s that artwork. Ogma’s expression just ruins it.
I have so many questions for that artist.
Why isn’t the cavalier on the left wearing pants?
Aren’t Caeda’s fingers going to get chopped off in that position?
Why aren’t the princesses on their mounts?
Why does Minerva look like she’s walking out to get the paper in the morning?
What on earth is going on with the shape and proportions of Ogma’s sword?
AHHH
That’s a very… unfortunately drawn piece of artwork.
At least the official artwork of each character looks good.
Can someone please answer my earlier comment.
If somebody knows, they’ll probably answer. Unfortunately, I don’t have that information right now.
Actually, now that I think about it, I think they meant that in the weapon triangle, it is with the tomes and swords, since the dragon stone has a range of one and has always been calculated based on the strength stat.
Pretty funny that he draws a French maid for an event in France.
Would’ve been nice if we had gotten Heroes of Light and Shadow, since it fixed a lot of things wrong with Shadow Dragon. Or at least, it was a more enjoyable play than Shadow Dragon was.
I love stuff like this <3
Jealous beyond belief right now….*patiently waiting for the artbook*
My wallet needs to pick a god and pray for 2016. ;;;;;
When are we going to get the full official artwork for every unit?! So far we only got the ones from Kamui, Aqua, the siblings, and now Felicia.
Can I purchase these on the 3DS please? >_>
It makes too much sense for Nintendo : P
I guess for Shadow Dragon, you can buy the DS cart and play it that way. For The Sacred Stones, it was meant to be exclusive to 3DS Ambassadors, so that’s why it’s not on the 3DS for other people.
Anyone else wondering why Soren looks so fat…?
Hopefully Path of Radiance is one of the first GC games released. I’m sure that Radiant Dawn will quickly follow; the only reason its not on Wii VC yet is likely because they want Path of Radiance for GC VC first.
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Senri Kita, Sachiko Wada, and Yamada Kotaro artworks. /crying
I sent an email asking for an English release. They replied by saying, “I plan to publish the English version someday.
However, I think that the very time-consuming.” So let’s keep our fingers crossed.
You should have asked him if he needs help with the translation, I’m sure some of the FE community would help with that for a faster release to the west.
The Japanese language isn’t among my skillsets. And I couldn’t speak on the behalf of people whom I don’t know.
Yeesh…missing out on good things like these…never good. Although, maybe there are better things.
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Yay, we can play Last Story and defeat biohazard!
SPOILERS Xander and Ryoma use the power of the dragonstones to become SuperXander and SuperRyoma and defeat Biohazard in the outrealms, but Xander crashes into the earth and is presumed dead.
Camilla finds him years later as an amnesiac and they team up with a golem to find Garon
Gods, I am Sooooooo curious, like what’s the general plot, will you be able to access both hoshido and nohr classes and characters? How will the maps or general game mechanics differ from the two other stories, what is with that crazy landscape in the trailer, is the kingdom really a underground faction or something since the protagonists fell down a cliff to it? TO MANY QUESTIONS!
I can answer some of the gameplay ones : )
You will get access to the majority of Hoshido and Nohr’s character, classes and items. Not everything, but nearly everything. The maps appear to be mostly different, with the first map and the latter third of the game taking place in the Invisible Kingdom.
Cool, but now I am slightly worried at what classes will be in the third route so I can plan ahead… Also, it was never really said, but will the Avatar have access to all classes on their respective side like in awaking, or will the avatar be limited in the classes?
You select the class you can parallel seal into when you create your avatar.
Samurai fighting next to Myrmidons, Fighters next to Oni… could he cool
wow!!!
…Well that was fas—
Dragon’s Gate
[s]Elibe confirmed[/s]
The dragons were inter-dimensional explorers and made many Dragon’s Gates: the one on Valor, the little Outrealm Gate south of Ylisse which obviously still functions… I must say those dragons really favoured southern isles to put their gates on… Maybe some sort of longitudinal law that requires the gate being somewhere near a planet’s equator……
…So this headcanon thing. XD
T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶V̶a̶l̶o̶r̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶N̶i̶l̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶ ̶h̶a̶m̶m̶e̶r̶.̶.̶.̶
So what planet or plane are the dragons from? Thats been my question for a few years now. And why did they build them in the first place?
I think even the dragons don’t know, like one of those things lost to history… (I would guess Tellius was the first world based on evolution if they are indeed laguz and not lobbed in with the others in that world based on likeness)
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I wish they would come here!
Or at least let us have it via itunes.
I would love to see a blu-ray release that shows a recorded footage of the whole thing.
No Together We Ride? I don’t know if I should be happy or upset.
It’s there, listed as “Fire Emblem Main Theme”.
Anything not orchestrated bgm games of FE [9/10 below] in orchestra is going to be great huhu
Winds Across the Plains tho. Talk about nostalgia omg
And Life Returns! Are they going to bring the singer/s? I hope they both bring Leanne and Reyson/Rafiel’s singer and have them do duet. Their voices were lovely.
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Already pre-ordered it. 🙂
Of course they had to take off her chestplate..
Welp, this is what it’s being reduced to, I suppose.
I’d rather have her go the all-natural route than having her wear the “+2 sized plate”
In all fairness (and assuming you’re criticizing what I think you are), the justification I’ve seen for her chestplate being separate is that they were going for a training scene. Then there’s the consideration that she would actually look bustier with it on, and that this kind of cleavage armor would work pretty poorly in reality.
If didn’t know that’s her design with out the armor, besides it’s not like she’s exposing anything, Duh dumbass. P.s. Get your dippy brain out of here.
You: “Nerr, don’t say anything about my waifu. You’re such a dumbass, I don’t want people that prefer modest styles. Gtfo, baka!”
Tse.
No, you’re a dumbass for complaining about the armor. Also if social media wasn’t created things like waifu wouldn’t been used so much. Also you fe fans would like the game much better with letting the internet rule your life. Duh dumbass
im still salivating
I really don’t understand what they’re talking about when they say a SRPG dosen’t have Atlus’ “spirit” in it.
Especially because Atlus made not one, but two Shin Megami Tensei SRPG spinoffs. (Majin Tensei and Devil Survivor)
And Devil Survivor 2 actually had a system that was like the Social Links from Persona 3 & 4.
It’s also a shame that most of the Mirages are going to come from Shadow Dragon and Awakening. I don’t have a favorite character from these games. :
Well,since they specifically used the word ‘most’, I will dare to say that at least some of the more famous characters from other games have a decent chance of appearing, like Ike,Lyn and Roy, for example.Awakening and Shadow Dragon are just going to be the majority.
Also.I will not be surprised if Atlus releases a Mirages DLC down the line.They did it for Shadow of the Labyrinth, after all.
While I can’t read the original document, I’m not sure that they intended to imply that being an SRPG meant it wasn’t something Atlus’ can do well, but non-strategy RPGs are surely more in their wheelhouse. Either way, going for an SRPG would draw more direct comparisons to Fire Emblem and Devil Survivor, and if they felt it wasn’t going to stand on its own well enough, it makes sense that they would significantly alter their plans.
And while I get their reasoning, I feel you on the Mirage origins.
It sounds like they were focusing too much on making it a Fire Emblem-like game, rather than something like the Megaten SRPG spin-offs. I’ll take a look at the original text again though.
I wonder if they already have concepts for some Fates figures…
They were accurate with the feet, though.
Pay closer attention to the base. The one without water, her feet are clearly visible.
This kind of sounds similar to Hyrule Warriors. Koei Tecmo wanted to create an Adventure Zelda game like the main series, until Miyamoto urged them not to and stick to what they do best (action games).
This more traditional RPG style is what Atlus does best so it’s nice in my opinion that they’re sticking to their strengths.
I’m glad they’re focusing on FE1 & 14,the Tellius and Elibe games have enough attention as it is. And it’s only fitting that Marth’s world takes the spotloght~
[…] Genei Ibun Roku #FE […]
[…] TearRing Saga […]
Hmm, interesting. Can’t wait to try this out once it’s released.
Yeah… I may have just tried to throw my hat into the ring. Hopefully google translate is decent.
Is Shouzou Kaga going to attend FE’s 25th Anniversary event?
If he does it will only be as a member of the audience.
Hard to really say. As far as I know, he’s had virtually no contact with the series for a really long time.
Kind of bizarre though. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a developer distancing himself so far like this. Usually most hang on to something in a way.
Man, I really wish someone would do an interview with Kaga about the whole FE thing. I want to know if he resents Nintendo because of what happened. I also woul want know what he think of the Post FE5 games.
I already have Tharja Figure and want this one too but I have nowhere to put it in my apartment and I lack of money right now -_-
I really want Kaga’s clear opinion on what he thinks of FE now. I bet starting Vestaria Saga is a sign of maybe he’s sick of what IS has done, but I could be just biased. But where this goes, I’m keen. Still… you can’t replace Marth and Ike.
If anything, he’d be pleased with FE14
There is 0 way of telling that.
I think it was Kaga who invented all that *Waifu Emblem and Children* with FE4:Genealogy of the holy war ?
Also, FE14 is looking like FE Gaiden, imo, so there is that.
I don’t think FE4 can be used an example. The art styles between then and now are obvious, FE4 was Japan only so people who played Awakening as their first never heard of FE4 (Probably) realized that this was an easy waifu emblem and the game back then was no anime trope compared to Awakenings.
I don’t think it has anything to do with FE. I think it’s just a hobby. This doesn’t feel like the whole Mighty No.9 or Bloodstained situation.
Or maybe he just wants make games again like back in the day. This guy lived in japan for years and he have seen japan grow try different things besides if social media wasn’t created you wouldn’t be complaining about fire emblem, stop acting like you’re a true fan because let me tell you something you’re not, japan had fire emblem way longer than you and yet they still love it the only reason you even know fire emblem is because you played smash brothers. P.s. If It weren’t for smash, fire emblem wouldn’t came in other words you Americans are nothing more than irrelevance.
Lol. Social media has nothing to do with this. Punctuation needs help and so do you. It’s hilarious that you think you know so much, but you’re just a self insecure, ignorant and arrogant little weeb child who failed at life. You know nothing, you’re just like any other immature person, cause I’m not ‘Americans’ and you didn’t realize that. Nor can you actually realize that FE has sold more in the west the past couple of releases or it would have died if it was Japan only. You never knew I tried to play the first FE, but impossible cause it was Japanese now could you. Stops you having the right to judge. I mean if the Americans are so irreverent than I guess Reggie will take all that money back and Nintendo will have nothing. You’re a genius Delvin. And do you know what makes me a true fan to the series? I hate FE14, but I’m going to buy it anyway ho ho ho. *Drops mic*
1: social media make up words like waifu or weebs.
2: you could have said American not Americans.
3: you reused the same insults for two sentences.
4:not really, games in it’s own country can handle it’s own.
5: there are other countries nintendo can sell their products to.
6: here’s the fun fact you hate the game , but you haven’t played it yet, that’s not a fan that’s just a dumbass thinking.
7: japan had the game longer than you, derpy you’re just a pretender fan like everyone else on this site, you guys are nothing more than faggot posers.
Herpa derp duh
Actually, IS was planning to release Fire Emblem in the West was not because of Smash. It was because of the success of Advance Wars. Marth and Ike were supposed to be removed in the Western release anyway, but NOA decided to leave them in.
Does anyone know what engine is the best for making games like Fire Emblem? I’m having a bit of bother looking for one.
You could hack a game, which is the most common way to create a game, but it’s kinda complex. I think there are some tutorials around the net though. There’s a program for RPG Maker XP called FEXP, but the creator of it is creating other engine for Microsoft XNA, called FEXNA, but it wasn’t realeased yet.
Thanks! Does FEXP have a RPG Maker VX Ace counterpart or are they compatible? I’ll have to check out Microsoft XNA. I was wondering would Unity be a good choice but I’m not entirely sure where to start if I did use that
I really want those merchandise… ;m;
Definitely looking forward to his game more than Fates. Hopefully we’ll get an English translation and hopefully he’ll create his own battle and map sprites, rather than use the stock ones provided by SRPG Studio.
Oh shut up you’re not a real fan japan had fire emblem way longer then you guys, the only reason why you’re playing fire emblem games is because of smash brothers, in others words you and rest of Americans are non-important.
I will be attending this Saturday. Surprisingly there are still tickets for sale.
Can I ask for your impressions of the event afterwards? : )
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Awakening […]
In retrospect, Awakening’s DLC maps were mostly all disappointing wastes of money (I bought them all), so it’s unlikely that whenever I get around to buy this game (once total price for the full game is less than $50, rather than $100) I’ll be buying any of these DLCs.
EDIT: Then again, it seems the first one lets you have an item to promote a female character (why only female?) to Master Lord. I think that’ll be enough for me to at least get the first DLC; no need to do RAM hacking for my ideal MUs like the Rapier-wielding Master Lord I wanted Noire to be in Awakening. The Lodestar item for males seems stupid in comparison though.
It’s Lucina’s outfit, so basically it’ll make any female unit Lucina, and make any male unit Marth.
(I’m not going to check it out until I get my copy for spoilers ‘n stuff)
The only series that I go crazy and splurge over for DLC is Fire Emblem so I don’t mind the ridiculous DLC… But I’m just incredibly and hopelessly into this series. More sensible people would forgo the DLC.
Haters gonna hate?
Yeah, no matter what.
You know Agian, if don’t like it then what’s the point of talking about it? A dipshit like your self should not be waisting time reusing the same line as always.
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
I want one… It doesn’t matter if it is plastic. I really want one.
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[…] Awakening […]
[…] Binding Blade […]
[…] New Mystery […]
I’m just REALLY jealous right now to not be there and witness all this myself. ;m;
Or maybe it will be the fourth version of the story.
Maybe it’ll invent some random dragon boy character who will shove Kamui aside and take lead character… that’ll be the fourth story. XP
Now this is going to be worth reading, specially since we don’t see manga very often with Yusuke-san as the artist! HIS ARTWORK IS SO COOL!
IDK but this Chrom’s falchion looks way better than the one that AWE made.
Probably because this one is much more accurate.
*Cries even more* I have the money, but I don’t know anyone in Japan who can help me. ;m;
Use tenso.com
I’m dying over the fact I cannot listen to the music. I bit they did a piece from every, single, game.
GIMME BOTH! @3@;
Seconded 🙂
Kaga is forbidden from the lips of Nintendo staff. He’s always like his isolation anyways. Since Gunpei Yokoi’s death, whom I believe was his only friend and mediator get what he wanted from Nintendo. After his death, he no longer had his way with the company, and he was under Hirosh Yamauchi, whom didn’t allow anything past him. Also I think Kaga wanted his name as a copyright, Nintendo does not let that slide. It’s a complex situation that I’ve been meaning to explain in a nice biography for these top tier people. I find it funny neither party mentions each other after he left. Even in an interview with Famitsu near the release of Tearring he kind of just acts like nothing happened.
[…] teased during February 2015, the Marth and Caeda Nendoroids were on display at the Summer Wonder Festival 2015 held in Japan […]
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[…] Mystery […]
region lock noes!!
Wow, how anything as limited as that necklace can go through an entire concert of fans, get listed online, and still be there over a day later is beyond me. Not that I’m complaining, since it means I was able to buy one myself, but with only 700 I expected it to sell out within minutes of being listed…
I was mildly surprised. Perhaps the necklace is too pricey for most fans and scalpers probably think it’s too niche to stock up on?
So is Fire Emblem Cipher and codes a Japanese exclusive?
“Fire Emblem Cipher” is a trading card game (played with actual cards), so you can import from Japan. The 3DS home theme codes can only be used on Japanese 3DS systems.
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[…] Binding Blade […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
Getting Byakuya definitely. I skipped out on the first one but this one is HYPE.
Pretty good. I was just about to make a lengthy post about my experience there as well. I guess I don’t have to anymore lol. Nice find, Vincent.
I or no one has anything to show. I’m surprised at this moment there isn’t even a teaser video of the event from Nintendo. In fact, nothing other than the latest game has been published since the concert. If you want my recordings, please ask Vincent for my email, and I’ll send a few. Or all. Sorry for making you my agent Vince…
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
Okay there were like 2 prompts before the download, I didn’t know what either said and I picked the top option and the right option, were those correct? 😡
If you got to the download screen, you should be OK. I’m assuming the top options were “Sleep Mode Download” and “Complete Download Now”, while the bottom option was “About Sleep Mode Downloads”.
Well the thing is there was two set of prompts, so I feel like one of them or both may not have been that…
I wasn’t ecstatic about the performance. I did miss most of it, mainly the judgral series arrangement, which I feel is heavily neglected by Nintendo. Without the guide, it was fun trying to guess what track they were arranging. Sacred stones was actually easy, and it I my least favorite, but I’m glad Ikuro picked out the best themes, which was a few. Lyn’s theme winds and plains had a nice long and looping play out.
I would have used my camera, but when I look out into the crowd and not see one device light up in their palms. Now that is a well dignified crowd. Although…. I did record sound. I do have the interview and various arrangements recorded if anyone would like a preview taste of the event. I don’t know how good my phone is and I haven’t listened to them
I’d love to see the interview segment.
I’d love to here a few samples of the songs. Could you send them to me through email or somethig?
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
The thing I like about these DLCs is that they scale higher in difficulty as you beat more chapters. Making you actually work for it and earn the rewards.
Really? It isn’t just the permanent 1-Star to 4-Star Difficulty? Me likey. Me likey a lot.
So no nightmare mode Future Past levels that require way too much grinding?
I’m in.
Which day did you attend Haru? Only pictures allowed to be uploaded. You’ll have to get them from me via email.
Was Life Return played with the singer? or it’s just purely instrumental?
Omg CD/DVD please, IS!
FINALLY.
“Please skip to page XXX for the 3rd Path”
Why did you not mention Zelgius from FE9 and 10 also is a mii fighter now?!?
awakening is way too overhyped to the point any mention of older ones gets obscured…
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[…] Awakening […]
Black Knight was also added as a costume.
I wonder.. Does all DLC from fates are for all campaigns?
Yep.
[…] TearRing Saga […]
This is going to be one fun game. 🙂
Evil dragons and emperor, why of course :p
“Seven Sacred Rings”.
Ah hah hah. I see what you did there.
Hope this is good, and it’s cliched premise is made to be subverted and/or deconstructed.
Here’s hoping; Thracia 776 was the Anti-Fire Emblem 1, where Leaf’s made out to be a reskinned Marth, except instead of victory after victory, you get captured, retreat, defend, your Jeigan is taken from you early on and left out for 9/10ths of the game, and you don’t resolve the continent’s crisis at the game’s end.
I would LOVE that kind of tone here.
Looks simplistic enough; maybe a 3DS port… sometime… maybe?
I got nothing.
3DS port to every FE game pls.
[…] Weapons and Bonus Stats (though, you can find a handy resource for that over on serenesforest.net) […]
i hope it gets a translation
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
I think something bad might happen to our poor little trainee.
Oh well, at least she will promote?
Fucking yuri pandering.
They didn’t say anything like yuri, they’re mostly just spin off characters.
Also they’re enemies
How does that mean anything?
they could be DLC chars for Fates xD
Not really
Ooohhh boom
Nope.
[…] Weapons and Bonus Stats (though, you can find a handy resource for that over on serenesforest.net) […]
I was not liking the screenshots at first. Kaga really has balls to be using data graphics throughout his career, but he should really move up in polygons a little. Given how un impressed I am with the screenshots, I did like the clichéd gameplay so far. No matter how hard he tries, it feels like Hikari no Tsurugi covered up by new names. I thought he was going to use a different artists but look like same old Hirota to me. And the music is certainly, Tsujiyoko style, though I feel it’s most likely Hirotoh Saitoh’s orchestration. Some of the themes are deeply entranced with the story development. I wanted to mention that both Berwick and Tearring had music similar to Fire Emblem almost to the same arrangement of notes.
Also to make note, Kaga or his staff has made the youtube account on Aug. 6, posted the video four days ago and has 35000 views. I believe that the youtube presence is what spiked his site hits. Strangely and annoyingly, they left no details on the account, and no comments can be placed. This guy is truly erasing his traces. As infuriating as his public habits are, it’s what I love about him.
Couple more things, the back ground art in the discussion scenes are almost exactly like that in Radiant dawn. Even the color scheme is too similar. hmmmm….
And copyrights are to Vesteria Project, although I think Kaga doesn’t want his name on it for exposure.
[…] Not all the artwork is exclusive (sorry, I lied); some characters use their Awakening DLC artwork. […]
OMg now we need translation of the poems and my life is complete <3 ty so much!
That Alvis one looks awesome!
Thank you for sharing this! ;w;
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Thank you! This is super cool, even though I was looking forward to a Hector card… ;___;
I miss his card too…
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] Gaiden […]
So does series 3 not have Radiant Dawn characters?
No, series 3 is only Path of Radiance and Fates characters.
nope but It’s pob just a matter of time like with Mystery of the emblem
God that Soren art is sexy! I need that deck
Catgirl spotted!
Their sexualizing FE outside the game? Yep. It’s boned.
Um not really these characters are exclusive for the card game, they were created as a card game host like any other spinoff. Also I don’t see any specializing here. Duh dumbass
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Path of Radiance […]
[…] Today marks the anniversary of the day we launched the new Serenes Forest site. […]
Just one minor nitpick: please make the Serenes Forest logo in the top left link to the homepage. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried clicking it out of habit from other sites.
Yeah gonna have to agree with you. Besides that, though, I think the site is great!
i can’t view the forum although i’ve made an account…. please help
I can’t wait for this to come out west!
Dear god I want them they are gorgeous
[…] Binding Blade […]
Don’t flatter yourself, VincentASM. We can thank FE6 for this site’s existence, but not because you like it, but because FESS was literally made in response to FE6.
If only this game would get the mother 1 and 2 treatment, i wanna play fe6 in english legally soo bad. Also slowly withering away as i wait for fe fates lol.
The problem is that the whole Mother 1 treatment is because Nintendo already had a translated version of Mother 1 ready, a long time ago, but they didn’t release it on the NES due to various reasons that I’ve forgotten. Binding Blade, on the other hand, never had a localization team working on it so there’s no version of the game that’s been officially translated. X’P
They didn’t due to bad marketing. It would be nice if we can finally get an official translation of this game. =)
Mother 1 localized was the best thing to ever happen in a long time in North America. Let it happen with Fire Emblem 6 and Mother 3 now, Reggie!!!!! 😀
Away with the emulators.
Even on the Wii-U pad, it has a save stating option.
sadfasdf
Binding Blade is still my favorite. Sure Roy isn’t the greatest lord and compared to later GBA titles even it seems a little primitive and also it sticks close to the FE1 formula… but in the context of playing it as a sequel of FE7, it was awesome… Maybe I’m overstating the game (and some of its characters that I love) but it holds a special place in my heart… I guess.
Hey Nintendo! You brought Earthbound Beginnings over. Think you might throw us a bone here?!
Considering how FE is known now, they should really try remaking the older games (like 6-8) essentially like the pokemon remakes. Updated graphics, updated character designs, implementing some of the newer mechanics. Heck, if there was a FE8 remake, but with extra chapters in it and characters to make the game longer, I would so be all over that.
They started going that route with the DS remakes but they weren’t particularly successful.
That I realize was a failed attempt because the mechanics just weren’t that good. Like why would they make it a thing to have you kill off your own units just to recruit more people? Considering it was the first FE, the plot itself wasn’t grand. But the GBA’s actually picked up the slack. To this day FE7’s story is probably one of the best for me (also they made some side characters still relevant throughout the story). Plus it wouldn’t hurt to have the Awakening/Fates crowd to experience the older titles and realize that awakening wasn’t the first FE. Bringing back MU to an FE 7 remake would make sense among anything.
It’s implied Robin IS the tactician from FE7 so that wouldn’t make particular sense in my mind. Plus, 12 was more successful than 11 but was never released outside of Japan, and had many new Gaiden chapters you can access without killing off your units, introduced MU, and had a much better and fleshed out plot featuring MU and a subplot revolving around a new character. In fact, literally every “new” concept from awakening except the pair up was in 12 in some form, so 12 is responsible in many ways for the modern series, I do not see any more remakes happening at least for a good 10 years or so
The mechanics of some people being scared of perma death. Fire Emblem 11 was the treatment to it. Since they don’t give you enough promotional items to befit a team unless you connect to Wi-fi which is gone now, (So codes is the only way that you can get them now.) you have to use about 12-13 units each playthough which that is what you’d normally use per Fire Emblem playthrough. It’s actually unknown as to why that it didn’t get localized when it actually sold well in NA.
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/25700/fire-emblem-shadow-dragon/
(Sales)
you can order it here http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEODAI-9343 and here http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEODAI-9456
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omg if only i had money
I hope they make cards featuring some of the laguz.
They already showed a Lethe card a few weeks ago.
If you count remakes as the original games, then that makes this the last game in the series I hadn’t played aside from Fates. I’ve been slowly picking up the Japanese games through VC and also got New Mystery a few years ago in Japan. I absolutely love the GBA FE games and while I’d kind of want a remake, I like the style that is used for them so I wouldn’t really want to see it changed.
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[…] Genei Ibun Roku #FE […]
If i’ll pray to Lucifer instead of YHVH will Atlus announce characters outside of Shadow Dragon, Mystery and Awakening?
Shadow Chrom looks more like something from what SMTxFE should have looked like than the Persona game it turned into.
Here goes my hope of seeing it make an appearance on the US/EUR Virtual Console. Since it wasn’t released I assumed that they were working on doing so. Oh well we still have the translation 😛
Also Vincent, it’s also my first FE game that made me fall in love with the series too. 🙂
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] the Unused Content page, under the “Dark Dragon and Sword of Light section”, there was the following statement […]
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
That was… pretty interesting. Kind of pointless, but interesting.
Can you post them more often? (if there will be any) Maybe not on front page, but create dedicated thread on forum?
[…] Dark Dragon […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
If they do end up making some DLC based off of these results….I hope they exclude the royal siblings for the cutscenes. They all already had their chance in their version of the Summer Scramble. So that would put top favorite none royal siblings (except Azura) to be:
Males: Joker and Odin
Females: Azura and Oboro
Now I just need to know who their favorite kids were
[…] Genei Ibun Roku #FE […]
Wait… No Sigurd costume? I’m out.
The special edition looks cool. Obviously we won’t get anything in Europe, but at least we may have a physical copy release, some day between January and Half-Life 3´s release.
They need to hurry up, Wii U is collecting dust right now.
Since the box is light blue rather than the black, I expect a CERO B rating at its best.
As the game is unrated in that image, I doubt that they’re putting the cart before the horse. They’d obviously want to make sure of the game’s rating before packaging it with that rating.
And lets also hope that none of the content, ie, script as well as graphics and all, are all intact and nothing is censored when it’s localized!
If they do censor it, everybody can say good-bye to Camilla.
“don’t worry because the standalone “Fortissimo Edition” has all the meat anyway.” So… The standalone “Fortissimo Edition” also includes the 6 character lyric cards, 2 original sticket sheets,and 3 “support quest” download codes?
Afraid not, but you still get the artbook, CD and costume DLCs, which are the most important things.
You could always try acquiring the lyric cards, stickers and support quest codes from eBay or something.
Nah, I’m good. lol
Have a fun and safe vacation!
Have fun!
And welcome aboard Elieson!
Oh wow Elie-san. Congrats!
Oh, and have a great vacation Vincent!
When will you finish filling out fire emblem fates
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[…] she’ll join in a free DLC map like “Encounter with Awakening” or even an “Apotheosis“-style final DLC map (last time, Anna was the final DLC boss after […]
[…] Gaiden […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] she’ll join in a free DLC map like “Encounter with Awakening” or even an “Apotheosis“-style final DLC map (last time, Anna was the final DLC boss after […]
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
I’m predicting Azura, Oboro, Jakob and Odin in a fanservice DLC since the hoshido and Nohr royals had their spotlight for wave 3.
Yeah, i missed you too. But please, stop stalking me
Have a great vacation, Vincent!
Congratulations, Elieson! 😀
Looking forward to the news.
I wonder if he will present Nintendo directs.
FIRE EMBLEM IF will be coming sooner than expected next year!
Additional good news: it will be receiving a Mature rating, so there shouldn’t be too many changes coming from the Japanese version.
Is this legit?
I just preordered Conquest!
And how would that be good news? FE always was rated 12+, the cringy dating sim elements raising the rating is actually quite dissappoinitng.
Some were worried that Nintendo of America would completely whitewash the game. The “good news” bit was directed towards that audience. Personally, I wouldn’t have minded either way, as I’m fine with anything as long as the core gameplay value remains. Im fine with changes made to the game… All but that gay-ass skinship one.
“Skinshipping”, cringy marriage, children and awful character designs, don’t need any of that.
17+ is awesome so most things won’t change!
The Mature rating is good news because it means Camilla won’t be censored the fuck out of existence
Yeah!
Aw, I wanted him to voice Suzukaze. :'(
…And here I received an email about the second wave of DLC maps, which are hard and based of hard maps in other games… not to mention probably recruiting Anna + ballistician + Witch. All paid of course, though.
…However, you can choose to receive either 1 ballistician class change item or 1 witch class change item for FREE starting October 1.
Awesome stuff. Your boss approves : P
Really appreciate Kyle for taking time out of his busy schedule to keep us entertained (again).
lol, “Puss-in-Boots” *Imagining Validar with that voice* Anyways, kudos for him for doing the “Pick a god and pray”
Aw, so no Kyle in Fates or SMTxFE? Oh well.
Though, I’d have to imagine his voice would at least be re-used for the Awakening map in Fates’ DLC.
He would have done a great role for Saizou or Kaze. .___.
The promo Ike and a new promo female Kamui are in the booster box..
Hey Elieson there’s some fire emblem news you haven’t posted yet, like fire emblem if got the new dlc wave announced with certain character finally being obtainable and the 4 stages that first batch of dlc will contain and new job classes. Then just recently , chrom and lucina got announced for project x zone 2.
I’m prepping an announcement which will include that, and more 😀
https://serenesforest.net/2015/09/19/fire-emblem-fates-dlc-wave-2-and-more/
I hopes anna’s dlc dosen’t cost
At the moment, it’s set to cost 250 Yen. I left that out of my first update by accident, but it’s in now.
You can recruit Anna at the special discount price of all your money!
The Ballistician class really reminded me of Valkyria Chronicles. Never care for the first Project X Zone game, but now that second one has Fire Emblem characters, I might just end up picking a copy up
honestly the anna dlc is upsetting, i never complained about the awakening dlc because none of it was really required to the main game but as i heard, you see anna’s shadow figure in the supports? that’s lame having to buy her just to have all the actual support characters, that aside i’d get all the dlc nonetheless 😛 and it’d be beyond amazing if with all this news lately, we finally get confirmation of the NA and EU release dates hopefully being either january or february cause i can’t wait much longer
though if they went on to add dlc characters that was supportable like with awakening’s spot pass dlc as money dlc, i personally wouldn’t mind that since that’d just be a bonus treat imo.
Hmm…the witches have big breasts…and Camilla has big breasts…Camilla will now officially be a witch class in my playthrough
Hoshidan Peasants: A witch! Burn her!
Me: Only if she weighs the same as a duck.
Hoshidan Peasants: …..
SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!
I have a question. When the games do finally come out will these two waves of DLC be available from the beginning or would we have to wait for them? ( if a third wave pops up before the release of the western version my question includes that too. ) I am asking because i got awakening a year after it’s initial release with all the DLC already available for purchase.
The first wave might be available at the same time as the english release, but I wouldn’t count on them releasing all the dlc immediately.
Intelligent Systems……you knew how many people liked Anna and how many wanted her back in Fates, you crafty, lovable, sons of dragons! ……Although, if I have to pay for the DLC to get Anna, I’m still gonna buy it…darn it…I like Anna too much…oh well. :3
Edit: Oh yeah, also, why does Anna have a bow?
Haha, i did not know that he was the voice of Validar and Fredrick in Awakening. Love his work in Bleach. Anyway, Awesome interview
Cools!
That lance is Gradivus, not Gungnir.
It doesn’t quite match the official artwork of the Gravidus from FE:A.
Was it confirmed to be Gradivus?
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/d/dc/GradivusAwakening.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/100?cb=20130420202246
??? It looks exactly like the artwork to me. Certainly it looks more like Gradivus than Gungnir, at any rate. Just take it from a guy who spent 1100+ hours with Awakening; that’s Gradivus for sure.
Too bad that you don’t get anything else infinitely. -.-
anna’s looking good in this game o.o
I’m not exactly sure what it is, but something about Fates Anna is remarkably cute. She was pretty before, but something about this one is just plain adorable. Perhaps it’s the head tilt.
Could we get an update of this with the actual famitsu scans.
http://personacentral.com/genei-ibun-roku-fe-famitsu-scans-feature-new-characters-and-mirages/
Just leaving this here as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOh6JrbAdOo
Could this be Gangrel?
It was confirmed to be Gangrel in first trailer, though.
And Treehouse event displayed *Gangrel boss fight* at E3 2015
Virion looks amazing! At least I think this is Virion…
Oh! now an official one! Let’s see if the results will be different than in Famitsu or are similar! I already sent a vote for Tankumi
That is quite colorful, I love it!
But still no Jugdral character.
Harold and Charlotte. I wasn’t there to vote for Gregor back when awakening was being a hit… not gonna fail my boi Harold!
Anyone else gonna be shocked if Camilla and Charlotte aren’t near the top of the female list?
Honestly, no. This is more based on the character’s personality and how B.A. they are as a unit and not on their looks (Besides, only so many people can vote based on their hormones). Although, if Camilla’s and Chalotte’s personalities are more appealing than their looks, than yes, it would be a bit shocking.
(Note:If you weren’t implying that, sorry.)
My implication was “because tits”. Although from the little bit of information I’ve seen about them. Camilla’s basically the over-protective big sister, and Charlotte’s a gold digger.
I voted for Silas(Cyrus) and Anna(I have a soft spot for her)! After seeing a few chapters of If (or Fates) Silas seems like a pretty cool guy! Anna is a no-brainier for me since I really like her from Awakening! :3
Hmm, I’m gonna need to vote every day to vote for all my favorites. FE has lots of great characters. My two favorites are Takumi and Leo. And I like Camilla and Hinoka for the females. I guess I like the middle siblings, I am one myself.
i voted asyura and severa, they’re my kind of units
I just noticed something. Lilith isn’t on the list for a selection…I wonder why…
Probably playable dlc down the line.
All I want is for Oboro to win.
I prefer Azura or Matoi
I’m looking forward to this game, but I really wish we had some characters from Tellius and Fates showing up in it. Also, I am so sick of Tharja, I wish she was never in anything ever
Gosh! Still no Jugdral character!
2muchjapan4me
Dafaq is a draug? So we’ll get the whole Ylissean peasent and old Akaneia crew. Good.
… still waiting for a Jugdral fellow
Don’t care for Chrom and Lucina appearing and likely won’t be using them, but I’m sad Tiki-chan isn’t playable.
Voted for Inigo on the male side since he’s one of the very few characters I gave a care about in Awakening, but not sure who to choose on the female side. Might choose Severa, but I wish that dragon fish girl was a choice.
Still no Jugdral, Tellius, Elibe. Just some good, old Akaneian faces and shitty, hipster Ylissean ones.
I voted for Kanna Male and Luna
Dohga is the Japanese name of Draug
For years and years, loads of people on SF have been calling him “Doga” (no H). That’s what inspired my bringing it up!
A Binding Blade, Blazing Sword, Sacred Stones medley? I’m…I’m sad I can’t hear such an amazing combination…
Sounds like such ana amazing time. So glad it was officially recorded. I will definitely buy a dvd/cd of the whole event!!
Woot.
I want it, but sadly I can´t understand japanese.
Looks very promising. What a shame all the characters are so generic animu dudes.
And still no Jugdrali guy
generic animu dudes AND girls. girls don’t get a free pass either. not THAT interesting to look at.
I really like Atlus and their games are great but I really wish their idea for a crossover wasn’t putting the two most popular games in japan in a genre they’re not usually in and calling it a day.
Only FireEmblem is getting that treatment. They’re still doing the dungeon crawler found in SMT
That shit is no Cain at all…
HYPE!
Oh snap! awesomeness!!!
This is awesome! 😀
Kaga doing this out of celebration of the Fire Emblem 20th anniversary tells us that they are trying to make this series a bigger success than before. Especially with all of the bigger fanservice that FE14 provides. The waifu’s and husbando’s will continue to grow alot more when the game comes out in the west. Hope that this game Vestaria Saga gets successful soon!
FIRE EMBLEM FATES POTENTIAL RELEASE DATE??? According to target, it’s coming out 12/31/2015!!!! They literally meant the beginning of 2016 I guess!
http://www.target.com/p/fire-emblem-fates-birthright-nintendo-3ds/-/A-23980558?ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=23980558&ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=PLA_Video%2BGames%2BShopping&adgroup=SC_Video%2BGames&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=c&location=9005583&gclid=CjwKEAiAmeyxBRCJxoKk7IWLl2oSJABvZjhhYVh3qJ09iLvVs-H7H9rWAJDrrnQDx9Ajq9au22EUwxoC81Dw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Eh, looks like a placeholder date to be honest. They do that all the time with pre-orders with no set date yet. Whoever does the web listing probably just selected the last day of the calender. That said I do hope they announce the date soon. I’m having waifu withdrawls…
So excited for this, hope development goes well.
One of us brave souls should volunteer our services to translate this to English… (If I didn’t have my own projects to do… and a lack of knowledge of the Japanese language, I’d do it)
Will we have a separate section for this on the forum as well?
“so we’ll be alright”
*lunatic run flashbacks*
No wonder we lose our memory, lissa gives us a concussion
I WONDER WHO LUCINA’S MOTHER WILL BE
*sumia X keelam intensifies*
Defeated by accidental groping
I’m just going to have a caption for all the pages. pass the time
Ah yes, the accidental waifu when you didn’t know there were other options
Minerva, tsundere.
*Sumia X tharja intensifies*
I seriously need to reconsider tharja as my next waifu.
Wow. I didn’t even know about this. I must have missed this support convo
gaius x lucina??
Trust the pot-head. how else are you going to be gods?
I really want to know where he got that scar
Adorable minervakins
Wait, I’m confused now. Is this before or after recruitment?
Henry ~ Feels
Feel emblem: awakening.
Wait! LITTLE BROTHER?!
I really gotta keep supporting these people before fates comes out
*batman voice* My parents are DEAAAAD
*marth looks down from heaven or whatever they call it in ylisse*
Ameture
I know there’s some kind of song that I can reference here
Chrom! Get back here you useless piece of trash. leave this to the people who don’t suck at fighting
Over already? Gotta go find a webcomic
These better get a fan dub. Two free Fire Emblem games is just too good of an opportunity to give up, and I love some of those portraits.
So sad and heart breaking… This is why I Ship Olivia with Henry. The kid is creepy and mental, yes. But he truly loves Olivia and is a good father. Henry is the only one that could give Inigo such a cheerful smile.
More motivation for me to study Japanese, I guess.
why must all the kana and kanji look the same?!Damn I’m really excited for this. Character art is looking really pretty. Even if he doesn’t plan on commercializing the game, it’d be nice if he released an artbook. I…need to get started learning Japanese. Hopefully I will understand just enough to be able to play through this game next summer, even if I need to look up words every now and then. It’ll be a great way to wait for Fates to drop in price for it’s full version.
We need this card game over here!
Please NoA, take some time out of your busy schedule of censoring everything and consider bringing this over.
If they brought Pokemon Trading Card, I don´t see why not, think they could bring this along with some other things, like the 25 anniversary book.
It would be a good addition for us fans!
Hope that we get this in the US/Euro.
No European release date though 🙁
Nooo, Shibata!
I´m gonna be so sad if we don´t get the special edition in europe
…and it’s gone on Amazon. 🙁
I got it on Best Buy. You can try there.
If I order through Best Buy, do I get charged when it ships?
I was charged immediately after I preordered.
why wasn’t i born and raised in japan and had to be in Europe ….
Finally, after waiting in anticipation for a release date after it’s release in Japan, we get a release date that is pretty close. Definitely getting the bundle.
It sold out at Amazon and Best Buy.
Awesome! 😀
We finally have a confirmed date. But…most stores have already sold out of the Special Edition packs. Keep your eyes peeled and hope that more come soon.
Now we can dream of getting it until we get for real!
It’s available at gamestop
Edit: It sold out by lunch time but some locations are still accepting preorders in store.
Really wish I would like to be in USA to buy this right now!
Anyone know where I can preorder it in canada? (the special edition) Been searching sites and only found the separate games for preorder, and nothing on the special edition…..
Best Buy Canada’s Gamer’s Club tweeted that they were working on getting it onto the site, but they had no idea when exactly it would be up.
U wot m8? Dafaq wos dat
Good I thing I preordered this game along with Legend of Zelda Twilight Princes Hd which will com with a Wolf Link amiibo
I know the release date was gonna be in Febuary I just thought it was gonna be the 16 or 18th
what about the digital version?
I think that maybe, we could see this game in ours country when the new FE will be release…
If any of you are still looking to preorder the special edition at this point, It is still available at game stop however you have to preorder it in-store, hope this helps 🙂
Ugh. I swear all the games I want always come out later over here in Europe… It’s like they have an agenda against me -.-
Don’t get carried away. For a time America was being the last to receive good treatment and even been skipped over in favor of a European market. I remember IGN writing a nice article about this which I should look up.
That reasoning just sounds petty, to be honest.
Still on sale at EB Games Australia. Currently selling for $199 AUD for a placeholder price. Meaning, they dont have a price for it, but needed one to fill the blank space until then. I managed to nab a pre-order during the first hour it went up, for $99 AUD. For those that like tin foil hats, $199 and $99 are in Australian dollars. $99 AUD is $141 USD and $199 is double that. Again, placeholder prices.
Wait, there’s an actual /game/ attached to this cavalcade of moeshit, vapid fanservice, and empty catchphrase-bleating?
At least the gameplay and graphics look superb. For the scenario… You’d better get used to that Ylissean nonsense or go back to Jugdral
Awww man! I was waiting the whole Nintendo Direct for new SMT X FE info (and possibly an English name) and only Japan got it! Well, at least this site is around to give me the info I may miss because I wouldn’t have known about this news otherwise! Thank God for Binding Blade! ;3
Nice to know that dark spells will include more than just instant death
It’s available on gamestop online once more, just reserved my copy of the special edition.
So much uncharted potential…Am I the only one with an urge after seeing this? I can’t chose between wanting to read them and wanting to write them.
Glad they started to show what the game is actually about, combat-wise at least, since most of the stuff that’s been shown has been the whole idol thing.
They’ve been showing enough combat stuff, it’s just no one notices.
That would get in the way of their complaining
Glad to see more of the game mechanics being revealed. Can’t wait for this game to eventually make it over.
I’m not all for free work, but Kaga has made an excellent point. This priceless creation is filled with his soul, something that I’m sure has hampered his creativity for his earlier work and the entire industry. All creative fields and humanity can learn from this. I would only like to give one message to Kaga-sensei. Slow your roll. Take your time with it. I don’t want any rush or push, as I sense he is putting some tension for his new twin babies. As to the cut scenes which are exciting. I would hope he would allow someone, like me, to make some video adaptation of his story.
It’s Bloom Palace, not Flame Palace.
Thanks. Evidently I was too tired after cleaning up today.
I like how they’re finally going over game mechanics, even including Class Changing.
Best Buy Canada’s Gamer’s Club tweeted a reply tho ‘check back tomorrow for Twilight Princess and Fire Emblem SE’ so here’s hoping it’s coming soon to BB Canada!
I just recently noticed something! The japanese version of this game is exactly the same except that it has a holographic card of Marth in it, being replaced by the pouch in this one. Does that mean that Nintendo or Intelligent Systems has no plans on releasing the Fire Emblem Trading Card Game?
Ohhh i hope we get a translation
I think the “sweet bird” is actually SWEET BARD.
Ah, now this looks familiar and nice.
I think the “Feria” in Nurse Feria should be Ferrier, as in to ferry, carrying people or things from one place to another. At least it makes more sense to me that way.
Why everyone’s sprites are different? Are they made from different artists? They should have gone with just one artist, well, of course, I shouldn’t be so critical, but it feels weird to play a game done by multiple artists! I like the design of the main character BTW!
Again, being this a project of free time and devotion, I doubt any one person will be giving a majority. He is reusing a lot of his own material already. Of course, anyone would like to devote their lives to this wonderful living creature as I would. It’s better to have a variety of sprite. I’m sick of the fire emblem generic sprites for all same classes. Every character should have a unique look, feel, growth, and animation. Although, I would say that his character artworks, assuming its Ms. Hirota-san, are looking flat. She needs to spike up her designs. Like Kotaru Yamada or FE4 designs.
Hey Vincent, Agro here. Do you think Savant might actually be Servant? I also think Sweet Bird might be Suite Bard? Given the character uses magic, it wouldn’t surprise me that the class is a Bard (Kaga seems to think all bards are magical). I can’t remember how FE writes Bard, though.
Hey, thanks for the suggestions. It could be “Servant” indeed; it’s hard to tell from the lack of context as I’m sure you’re well aware. Yeah, “Bard” is written like that in the FE games; “Sweet Bird” was just the most common phrase I found from searching the whole thing together.
Not sure if its a Japanese to English translation, but the “literal” japanese names for Chrom’s classes are マスターロード ＝ ”Master Lord” and オーバーロード ＝ ”Overlord.” I don’t know if its always been that way in Japan and just localized as “Great Lord” and “Conqueror” outside of japan, so if its that has always been the case then that’s all cool.
Yes.
The only instance of Overlord in the series was Walhart from Awakening, and that was localized as Conqueror.
Still no release date for Europe and Aus. The anticipation is killing me.
Wait hold up where can you pre order the special edition because I can’t seem to find it. Or am I just blind.
You can either pre order it at gamestop, amazon or bestbuy but I think they’re sold out, FOR NOW!
gahhh that’s what they all say, thanks tho
I know it’s hard to deal, just need to keep an eye out to it! You’re lucky, because you still have a chance of getting one, not like me, because I don’t live in USA!
LOL. True but it’ll eventually come out in Europe or you can get it through Amazon.
It’s not that simple, I live in Venezuela and right now with no dollars because I went there last august! Actually, what I bought was a nintendo 3ds with fire emblem awakening as my sole game!
Damn that sucks. Well hopefully it’ll come out sooner or later throughout other places of the world.
I recommend calling your local GS stores and see if they have them since they keep ones for stores to put preorders on, from what an employee told me. That’s how I got mine, called and then went in.
AH I see thanks a lot. I’ll try that out i guess.
Wait, Ike can’t learn Aether? That’s his skill! Chrom and Lucina may have stolen it, but that was his first.
Ike can learn Aether
Good catch! Ike & Lucina share Aether. I completely missed that. I’ve added that piece in. Marth and Lucina still share Charm, though!
Alright, cool. That makes a lot more sense.
“They also received a Fire Emblem If version of the New 3DS XL, which includes custom cover plates and a 16GB microSD card.”
Isn’t it a new 3DS not XL?
The New 3ds is an XL.
EDIT: I stand corrected 🙂 They have non-XL ones too!
Actually no it isn’t. I have one of these, and it’s a regular New 3DS.
Huh, I didn’t know they made non-big ones except for like the Animal Crossing one with interchangeable plates! Welp, the more you know~
Only in NSTC regions.
Didn’t know this! Thanks for the correct info!
Thanks for the catch! I’ve updated the article accordingly. How did I even whiff this; the picture shows New3DS right in it!
how can i have the collector edition in Asia? nintendo really prioritize NA…. im sad
“One last neat feature is that communicating with each amiibo unit and choosing to not engage in battle with them allows you to receive a gift in the form of a promotional item used to promote to their particular class.”
So its actually possible to get those special classes? Is that true and do we have proof?
I’M ALWAYS A SLUT FOR FIRE EMBLEM
i voted for Marx <3
*Xander
Love the new artwork.
Shame they didn’t release those as wallpapers : P
Same.
Agreed!
i am not angry but why do people keep doing this ?? forget the main chars and give the others some spotlight of course everyone likes the the royal brothers and the main char this is just kinda sad D: if the votes were without them the results would have been
Male: 1.JOKER,2.ZERO,3.ODIN
Female:1.OBORO,2.FLORA,3.CHARLOTTE
^awesome
How’s it sad? People voted for their favorite, it’s not a “side character popularity poll”.
its an opinion …
sad because i think that some chars get forgotten because of the royals and since the royals shine so much in the story people tend to like them even more so some chars are at disadvantage 🙂
Well, that’s probably the case. But I’m sure once the game hits the west, people will have the chance to get to know the characters including the non-royals.
Eh, these results aren’t too bad. Could’ve been far worse.
..Might even be the best possible result, looking at these character designs.
I see the northern part is somewhat cut off according to the trees, but the player and enemy sides are caught in the corners suggesting its a complete map. If this is the true map size, then it may take 5 hours like he says with the enemies trick moves and changing objectives.
I’m surprised Takumi was the #3 male character. I thought he was the most hated character (judging from what I’ve seen online #BlameTakumi). I know nothing about Takumi though, so please don’t post spoilers.
Apparently, he’s totally beast in gameplay, so that may be a contributing factor.
Also, I’m pretty sure “BLAME TAKUMI” is more of an English-speaking meme from the streams. In the general survey a while back, a lot of respondents talked about liking Takumi also, so I don’t think Japanese players have anything against him as a character. (I know the poll was technically open, but it was on the jp website.)
351 pages and I probably can’t read a shred of it. I can’t wait for the fanslators to graciously share their translations with us (You included, Vincent!)
Should I even bother in getting it then? I mean, I want it, but if its mostly gonna be shared online here + fan translated…
Of course everyone loves the Female Kamui
Was that not to be expected
*Corrin
*Corn
Localized name = ^
Reviews are in and honestly i can’t believe more than 90% of the book is Awakening/Fates content. Why bother with Sigurd on the front cover and advertise it as a “25th anniversary series book” then intelligent systems…
There’s no doubt there will be few to no infos about Jugdral since Yokoi died and Shozou Kaga went doing his own business. It’ll just be FE’s story after the 1999 shift.
I am still interested to see how they managed to screw up Binding Blade so badly though, so I may take a look at it when the translation will be available. I love how they are proud of Awakening’s story even with the fact that it was pathetically written.
I agree. There’s probably no way of talking about Kaga games without Kaga himself… Considering also it’s pretty old and the old staff probably moved on anyway.
Why must all of this stuff be released in Japan Only? 🙁
R.I.P Navarre
May your soul rest in peace
Yeah, that’s right. Every character that appears in this game has been surgically removed from the main Fire Emblem series, forever tainted and never to be seen the same way again. Just like how Link now has to wear a scarf in every Zelda game after Hyrule Warriors. Because that’s how spin-offs work. Dirty, rotten third party developers.
You could just sum up to “never to be seen the same way again”.
I think you are overreacting
agreed
How coute that Oboro and her crush ate both in 3rd.
Still no Jugdrali character
I was under the impression there wouldn’t be any characters from games other than Archanea and Awakening. Even if there were, Jugdral would probably be the last choice.
Thank goodness for costumes, I’m getting rid of Tsubasa’s horse ear outfit at once.
I just noticed the main character’s face in his artwork…my god, he looks stoned…hell, looking at the menu sceen, some of the other characters looks like they have been up way too long.
Totally going to write these now.
For real?
Well… 😀
If you come to do any heron, or Rhys x any female, would you consider positing the links here, then, please?
Forget this : please, add the links to all support that you write, in your post here. *__*
It would be really wishful thinking to say that Fire Emblem doesn’t use a formula… tweaked here and there but the idea of a teenaged guy who stands to inherit some land (more often or not a prince… even Ike was probably going to inherit Griel’s fort) being the main character (or, in a stunning modification, only one or two of the main characters!) is basically what makes Fire Emblem’s spine. At a basic level, Ike, Roy, Ephraim, et al are very near interchangeable (it’s only with development that these characters were breathed any individuality).
It’s part of what makes Fire Emblem Fire Emblem, I suppose (though what *really* makes it are the secondary or tertiary characters that you’re not supposed to care about in other games of the genre)….
Fire emblem is like pokemon, the formula remains the same but we don’t want it to change. They do a great job innovating the game without changing it completely like some other games did.
“Finally, there’s a brief transcript featuring dialogue between Raigh, Ephraim, Eliwood (Ephraim’s father), Aron, Bors and Owain.”
Man, that gives me an idea for a fanfic… “So they all walk into a tavern…”
Damn, a big shame. It sounds like it would have been good. I’d kill to play another Akeneia era game, but he dropped it and IntelSys, then basically had war with Nintendo by trying to continue the Akeneia Saga.. And I bet FE64 would look good between GBA and the GC/Wii era, graphic wise.
The name reuse reminds me of the development of Sacred Stones, when characters had their roles changed, and discarded early designs were reused for other characters in the final game.
It seems to me that when Sakurai says Ike doesn’t have ranged attacks, he’s talking about not including them in Ike’s Smash Bros kit for game balance. He’s comparing it to how Robin doesn’t initially have access to Dark Magic, the point being that the fighters aren’t perfect representations of their actual abilities.
Oh yeah, I see what you mean now. The context is kind of ambiguous.
Samus is the biggest example.
Sakurai seems to like Fire Emblem quite a bit. If he was interested and Intelligent Systems was willing, I’d love to see what he could do with the series after the wonders he’s done with Kirby and especially Kid Icarus.
He’s already did part of the production of FE6. 🙂
(Laughs)
I’d love to see how the next game will turn out if he’s included in the production.
Personally, if he ever got to direct one like he’s done in the past, I wouldn’t surprised if he took a silly approach with Fire Emblem like he did with Kid Icarus. Then again, I think I would look forward to that.
I would kill for those player boxes 🙁
tfw you can’t get them
Was this foreshadowing?
I’d say so.
All aboard the hype train! 😀
I am very happy that Corrin’s in Smas Bros. 4. By the way, including DLC, the number of fire emblem characters in Smash Bros 4 is greater than that of Legend of Zelda characters in Smash!
Fire Emblem has totally deserved this in my opinion! It’s amazing how far it’s come, from 2 reps in Melee and Brawl, shooting right up to 6 fighters, 3 stages between the two games (Hopefully 4 because I really hope Corrin gets a new 3ds stage! X3), Lots of awesome music, trophies and even Mii outfits! All this Emblem love makes me so happy!
But still no Jugdral representation
Seeing Corrin’s reveal trailer yesterday got me super excited. I thought that it would awesome for him/her to be in Smash but knew Fates/If got released months after Smash 4 came out and wasn’t popular enough to be a fighter, ballot or not. So glad that Corrin isn’t a (semi-)clone too! He/she is very unique compared to the other Fire Emblem protagonists.
Wowie! Get ready for MARY-SUE X2!!! TEH BATTLE OF TEH SUES!!!1!!
I remember being happy that they put Robin AND Lucina in there… now we have six. Quite awesome indeed.
So Lucina is a Demon…..I like her even more now. 😀
I’ve gotta say, it’s really nice seeing people who aren’t salty about Corrin being in Smash! XD It’s a nice change of pace!
Uh-huh. I think this discussion thread is the only place where I haven’t seen lots of people frothing in sheer anger. That said, I can see where they’re coming from.
Right now, Fire Emblem does have a disproportionately high number of characters and in the eyes of some, many of them are very similar. I think it wouldn’t be so bad if Ike, Lucina and Roy weren’t around, since one’s a clone and the other two are kind of past their prime.
In any case, I’m happy myself and hopefully the haters will get used to things : )
But Marth is the oldest one, he should be past his prime more than anyone else.. If anything, just having Lucina and Robin would’ve been fine with “Marth” as an alt skin, lol. I say that since of the 6 (8 really), 3(5) are characters from recent games. That said, you can have all of them in fates as partners as well. Best thing would’ve been to keep Marth, keep Lucina as a reskin like she was supposed to be (bowser jr ie), add Robin, and add someone from fates that doesn’t would a wield a sword like Aqua since she’s basically the Lucina of FE fates.
*Azura
Both are light blue colours ;3
But, that’s her localize name.
But it’s still her name. I just prefer her localized name since it’s not so close to asura
Marth is awesome. He is a veteran, he is the 1st Lord in the series, and he is the incarnation of grace and elegance. He will stay till’ Smash 2099 because of his sheer awesomeness. I may prefer Leif and Celice as FE Lords, but I got to say that he is superb, both in gameplay and design.
Never said he wasn’t, I only play Princess Marth and Future Marth when I’m serious. But he said past their prime, when no one even heard of him or fire emblem (myself included) until melee. I glad that fire emblem takes up so many character slots, it’s a great series. Just wish that they added a spear wielder like a sexy new dancer.
I think Lucina as Robin would still represent Awakening but I hope we can keep them all in the next Smash honestly 🙂
It’s great to see another FE character in Smash, but, while Corin makes the most sense, I’d much rather have seen a legacy character included. It’s just that there aren’t any really standout character, as far as popularity outside the series fans, or some character that could be a unique smash character, as all the sword characters are the best known ones. I will admit, Corin does look quite fun to play as.
I had hoped for one of the villains. The Black Knight, Nergal, Ashnard, Lyon, they would have been different enough from anything else and are very well known.
Oh yeah. Completely forgot about the villains. The Black Knight would have been awesome, if they hadn’t already had a mii outfit for him. They just seem to like the lords. Too bad FE8’s not quite popular enough, as I’d love to see Ephraim join the fight with his lances and all.
That’d be better to have a FE4/5 character. Everyone forgot about Jugdral even though Seisen no Keifu was a bestseller (#2 best selling FE in Japan if I am not mistaken). Leif/Celice duo would be so great
Psyched for this! My 3DS broke and I can’t afford a new one, so at least I’ll be able to celebrate the NA release of Fates somehow.
Those DLC missions sound pretty similar to the EXP and money-grinding kind of DLC we’ve seen in Awakening and Fates, so that’s not a surprise.
The revelation of more story and game mechanics is making me even more intrigued for this game.
Sakurai <3
I would totally play a Fire Emblem fighting game! It would be cool if it was in the style of Soul Caliber too! Or a Fire Emblem game in the style of Hyrule Warriors!
I can’t say I’m displeased, but even I can tell the number of Fire Emblem characters is too damn high. That said, the real bloat comes from Marth’s clone (who, to be fair, took very little effort to include) and semi-clone; if Corrin were #4 or 5, it’d be less jarring.
Despite the complaints about “sword characters”, Corrin hits on one of the few novel sword fighting styles left: someone who only uses a sword for part of their moveset rather than most of it. Now we just need dual swords and an iaijutsu master…
Ehhh . . . I think it’s too soon.
So excited to play as Corrin, hopefully in Smash NX we get a villain represented for Fire emblem as were totally lacking one.
By the way, regarding the palette swaps of Corrin, does anyone have any idea what characters (if any in particular) the alternate colours are supposed to resemble?
Ugh, the filthy Ylissean DLCs strike back… Why are devs taliking about them even before the game is being released? More cash grabbing moves. Nintendo sure does follows the trends when it comes to money and questionable DLC practices.
And STILL no Jugdrali character.
the only fire emblem series that have characters appearing are akaneia and ylisse
What a shame
Finally another one of these. I will certainly try to make this one. I REALLY need that DVD from the concert.
Thank you GameXplain! :3
I gonna say, Wymslayers never seemed so deadly until now! Also, LOVE Aqua’s singing! Although, considering how important it seems from all the trailers we’ve seen, it should be! …I’m really happy we get the main theme song of Fates in Smash 4 (kinda wanted a stage too though…oh well)!
Also, Genei Ibun Roku #FE……more US info needed(and an English name)……NOW!
Well actually, people who data mined the game saw that there were 3 stages left! One’s Midgar, The other is Umbra Clocktower, and then we have one more left! So I think there’s gonna be a stage for the 3DS version only!
Oh yeah, I forgot there were 3 stage slots! Thanks for reminding me! I wonder what it could be?! (Maybe Something related to stuff that comes out in February or something we don’t expect…who knows):3
Well, the fact that Fates and Corrin in Smash are both in February, I do have a feeling it could be a new Fire Emblem stage for the 3DS version! Then there will be 2 FE stages in both versions! It could also just be a retuning stage, but my idea is more exciting! XD
If it’s a FE stage, perhaps it’ll be Castle Siege? I mean, that particular stage would fit both Ike (since from a standpoint it’s his home field) and Corrin (because of the very first teaser trailer taking place in an area that very much resembled that particular stage). SmashWiki also has a potrait of Castle Ostia, so this could also be Roy’s home field as well.
Alternatively, they could have Arena Ferox for the new guys (Lucina/Robin/Corrin) and Castle Siege for the veterans (Marth/Roy/Ike).
It would be cool to see Castle Siege on the 3ds!
Yeah! I think Rena did a nice job on Aqua great work on her part. 🙂 I like the voices thus far, unsure who most of them are but looking forward to it nevertheless.
I do like the voice acting for fates, but Sakura’s from the smash announcement was better imo. Elise sounds so much better.
Oh gods, now I’m even more worried about the English dub for Fates. It’s okay from what many of us have seen thus far. To me, Ryoma, Xander, and Sakura sounded better in that cutscene in the Smash broadcast, while Elise doesn’t sound as obnoxious in the actual in-game cutscene. Strange. There are some that I like, Hinoka and Azura, and some that I’m not sure how to feel about yet, Takumi and Kaze. I’ll most likely stay with the English dub to see how everyone else in the game sounds, but I really hope there are some good young-sounding voice alternatives for the male avatar. That laugh had me cringing a little.
Yeah, I kinda wish that Sakura had a voice that made her sound younger, like in the Japanese version, because it just doesn’t suit her design. Other than that, Elise, Hinoka and Azura I think sound great, and Kaze is supposed to sound very polite to contrast his brother so I have no issues there, and I just can’t make up my mind about the others yet. I’m a bit scared to hear what Pieri’s English voice will sound like though!
I’m very curious who these voice actors are.
Elie you’re doing a great job but maybe cut out any opinion/personal stuff like “we’ve been anxiously waiting” or “still exciting”? A lot of people don’t feel either way and a lot of people probably also aren’t fans of the whole spoil-everything-about-the-game-before-it-comes-out-West deal either (though to some extent that can’t be helped haha).
Just saying, whether you take my suggestion on professionalism is up to you.
Wow! I got the Japanese book because I thought they’d never bother releasing an English version… well, now I’ll have both! XD (Still, I really need to just learn Japanese…)
Am I the only one around here who really likes Corrin’s default voice?
Meh, I’ll wait for Amazon to drop the price to around the $20 range. Wasn’t very fond of the art designs in this game, but I haven’t bought an FE art book since the Akaneia Memorial in 2010 so this is probably a decent opportunity if its cheap enough.
Meh, Hector would’ve been far better, but they need Advertisement in there so that they promote Fates. The whole dragon transformation thing for fighting is rather cool though.
For Canadians interested, the preorders have also gone up on Amazon.ca and Chapters/Indigo 🙂
Legit pissed that I can’t buy any of this stuff.
Do they not think it’d sell in NA, not know there’s an interest, or just don’t care about us dirty gaijin fans?
There’s always a way to buy nihongo stuff mang
Yeah, if you can afford to throw an extra $100 CDN at it.
Ah well.
Honestly I’d rather they named him just ‘Nil’ instead of Niles. Nil may remind FE fans of Nils, but Niles definitely reminds me of the brother from Frasier. Not exactly someone similar to Zero. Zero’s voice sounds very good for his character though, although we still haven’t heard it clearly yet, his tone struck me as extremely ‘him’.
Malig Knight is really bad though. I get it’s supposed to be a pun, but it’s not even a good one, and Malig looks really weird on it’s own. So far people have been making a lot of other suggestions, including calling the class “Revenant” or “Reven Knight”, and I really hope someone at Nintendo sees them because they’re miles better than Malig Knight. Even something like Undead Knight. Other than that the changed/altered names/classes look totally fine. I especially like Effie’s name, it’s a small change but very cute :3
“Miles” better. I see what you did there.
While MarXander’s voice might need some getting used to, I’d gladly hear this one over the Smash one! (Shudders)
Just a heads up: Amazon has dropped its preorder price to $24 for the time being.
Well written article! Really is interesting how FE was close to becoming a whole different thing. Guess the remakes did something good by keeping the games what they are.
I actually feel a bit sad that we couldn’t get another view on what Fire Emblem games could have become. The strategy games are fun (and I still play them a lot), but the game mechanics (weapon triangle and durability) would’ve been delightful to see on a “traditional” rpg setting. Granted, the battle mechanics would have to be tweaked for that to truly work, but still…
Apart from that, I believe that being able to play a Fire Emblem title “native”to the Wii U would enable a more organic experience, like the difference I experimented after playing The Sacred Stones and then Path of Radiance. I know the Wii graphical power had its share of making an impression (and just think how cool the spells and skills would look when cast/activated on the Wii U), but I’m thinking here of taking the DS and 3DS experiences to a whole new level.
It’d be cool if another FE console game came out, but I’m happy that at least the current handhelds are powerful enough to compete with the GC/Wii as well as having voice acting. I bought Path of Radiance new when it first came out, so it’s a shame it sold poorly and we may never get an HD FE.
Thinking of that, and Nintendo’s recent trend of remaking Zelda games in HD, we may have some hope of seeing PoR and/or RD remade in HD for the Wii U. Or at least a a Virtual Console version. Those two games really deserve it! (Keeping fingers crossed)
I hope so! They need to be played by more people. Used copies are so rare. Makes it hard to recommend them.
That CD cover looks crazy out of place. Then again.. it’s awakening.
Now they’re cosplay advertising? You never did this with previous Fire Emblem games! You never did this with Eirika, Ike, Leif, Caeda and the most sexy and important of all, Marth. You know what I’m done. Forget it.
It’s all about timing. This is only the 2nd time Fire Emblem has been a Comiket and Fates is the most recent game to be released. Also, I think that’s a booth staff, not a cosplayer.
Didn’t NoA have people dressed as Marth and Caeda to promote Shadow Dragon at some convention?
And of course there will be no music from Jugdral. I may be bitching a lot about the absence of Jugdrali stuff but it is the 25th birthday of the series for naga’s sake! They should be celebrating the whole series, and not only the trendy stuff. This is disrespectful to the people who worked on FE4 and 5 like Gunpei Yokoi and Shozou Kaga, and of course a big dissapointment.
The 25th Anniversary Concert had a whole movement dedicated to Fire Emblem 4.
The 25th Anniversary Concert, as Michael said, had an entire section dedicated to Judgral.
Will this section be present in the CD?
Dat Felicia cosplay is… OMG SHE HAS A KNIFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TzUNti3rY
The layout from the map is giving me FE4 feels…
“it’s extremely unlikely Ilyana and Stefan decided to abandon Tellius at any point in time.”
Well Stefan was a wanderer at heart and Ilyana would go to any lengths for a meal, I wouldn’t put it past them. Well, weren’t the other continents flooded? Unless the waters resided, I doubt they’d leave (well they wouldn’t really leave even if they did, no food there). But yeah, I know they’re probably placeholders anyways.
But, this was for Wii, what do they mean soaring development costs? It’s not like they were developing the game for a powerful and modern console.
Really sad this never came out; it would’ve been rather cool. Also sad that the Tellius series sold so badly and is the reason why we have the “crap” we have now. I mean, FE11-14 are still pretty fun in an NES-early SNES+Mobile Gaming type of way, but the Tellius games were pretty much the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay (disregarding some things like crap support system in RD). Considering that FE now HAS to cater to the mass audience crowd in order to be profitable, it’ll never be able to reach that high point ever again. Especially since development costs for Nintendo really will start rising once they start using more modern hardware for their next generation devices.
Sigh, oh well. It’s regrettable, but the games they release are still fun in their own way.
It was a wonderful 25th anniversary year for Fire Emblem… here’s to another 25!! (to start…)
Happy New Year (can’t wait for Fates… can’t wait for Fates… can’t–)
For someone who loves Fire Emblem so much (possibly my favorite video game series of all time), I’ve been very happy with all the Fire Emblem love (and [good] attention) this year! Fire Emblem Fates (Special Edition, please and thank you… :3) , Genei Ibun Roku #FE (I’m hyped for the game, it looks fun…just need to save up for a Wii U first…), Super Smash Bros DLC (welcoming Corrin with open-arms) , the list goes on. This year has been fun, hopefully 2016 will be even more so! (…And I’ll be able to start collecting Fire Emblem stuff now that I FINALLY got my 1’st Job!)
Also, 25 years of Fire Emblem is pretty amazing! Let’s go for 25 more!
Have a Happy Fire Emblem New Year! :3
People stopped complaining about the casualization because we’re tired of complaining. This is what they want to do with the series and we have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to accept it and move on. If you can deal with it then keep playing and if not, there are plenty of other SRPG series with good gameplay out there.
Anyway, next stop for the series is to have a multi-platform release with iOS and Android along with their next handheld. At this point, a mobile Fire Emblem game makes too much sense for them not to release one.
Heh, fancy seeing you here.
Unfortunately FE was quite unique in it’s execution, and my personal opinion is that turning FE into a more generic JRPG is worse for the series. I already discussed this with some other guy, but people can go elsewhere for JRPG’s with friendship solves world poverty and shitty gameplay. As you said there are other SRPG’s, but all of them have grinding. FE was the only one I could play as a roguelike, and it was one of the defining features of the series for me. So now that I lost that, where the fuck do I go to play something like FE if no one makes games like FE? But you know, I’m just an old fan of the series that’s willing to buy the game on name alone, I’m not the target audience. :^)
“Shitty gameplay”
If there’s one thing that’s actually received praise (and quite a bit of it), it’s FE14’s gameplay. Heck, that’s pretty much the whole reason I’m getting it
Then respect to you. All I see are waifufags who are sullying the good name of FE, but eh, I guess there are two sides of everything.
Although I was mainly referring to Awakening since I haven’t played Fates yet, it’s very difficult to pinpoint the depth of a strategy game through videos alone.
Amen, brother.
I can’t wait for the Nintendo Direct for the new year! Especially if it shows off some more voices~ Also excited about the possibility of a demo to tide us over till the release 🙂 Can’t wait to see what the New Year will bring us! 😀
Oh, and another cool (if not unexpected) fact: IGN included FE Fates in their 42 Big Games of 2016 video 🙂
You forgot about the 4 Fire Emblem Amiibos that can be played in Code Name Steam.
What about Roy? Can he be playable in Codename soon when he comes out?!
Sorry haven’t seen that announced yet in Code Name Steam. But Marth, Ike, Lucina and Robin are playable
I doubt it. I think everyone (including Intelligent Systems) has moved on from that game, given sales.
It really was a huge year for FE…my god
This is really cool! FE is, of course, a strategy title first and foremost, but I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Intelligent Systems experiment with other genres from time-to-time.
“While you wince at the new names that you’ll have to get used to”
That seems like a surprisingly negative thing to put in, especially after you put both fanbases’ reactions to SMTXFE as “hmm-ing”. Really, most people seem to ambivalent or generally approve of the names; there are only a few who are extremely vocal in their dislike.
In general, I see author bias and misrepresentation; the arguments about FE Amie were concerning player pandering and selling out to *Otakus*, not casuals. And just because something’s optional doesn’t mean it is non-existent; it still effects the game when looking at things as a whole.
You can go through the entire game without even entering the treehouse.
Sorry, the remark about the new names wasn’t meant to be anything serious. For the most part, I tried to keep the retrospective lighthearted, with a few tongue-in-cheek comments.
Huh, not sure I agree about your second paragraph. The stuff about being optional and selling out to casuals is referring to Phoenix Mode. Then when I talk about FE Amie, I even mention it’s very existence is important.
yeah, I wasn’t a fan of those comments either, haha. I think articles like these are better off sticking entirely to the facts, personally. no offense, Vincent.
For instance, the comment “Even though it was a completely optional setting that most fans probably wouldn’t even touch” indicates a strong opinion from the author that since a setting is optional, it shouldn’t be criticized. Ultimately it’s up to the author how they write their articles, but I’m not a fan of that.
(In this case, I happen to think that in general, a feature being ‘optional’ is no excuse whatsoever for the quality of the feature or the impact on the game and is pretty much just a cop-out to avoid criticism, but I also think that Phoenix Mode really isn’t worth getting upset over because the impact to the game is extremely minimal… ultimately though, that’s a different matter: I’d rather just not potentially piss off anyone by having any kind of opinion in such an article, haha.)
This was such an amazing year for a fantastic series! I can’t wait to see what’s in store next year!
I don’t want a Fire Emblem on a home console as much as I want a Fire Emblem with strong traditional RPG influences. The ability to explore cities and routes in a world as rich and fantastical as FE would be amazing. There have been quite a few large-scale medieval RPGs, however we’ve never really seen what Nintendo’s take on it would be with their heavier emphasis on magic and less graphic violence.
This year started with many promising news for Fire Emblem, but it pretty much ended up in utter dissapointment at the end of the year.
It’s sad what IS is turning the franchise into and it’s even sadder that many old fans lose hope, while most new ones still have a wrong picture of the series.
Lol yeah, seems like the older fans have pretty much lost hope. I’m kind of too deep in to just quit myself, but I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy FE the way I did (or even close to it) ever again, haha. I think the series will probably just continue to be mediocre for me, and there’s not much I can do there, so I’m just going to move on with it. Now that I know where the series is going and have mostly come to terms with it, I’m done being bitter or the like: it’s time for people to either accept it or move on, I think.
(I still think a lot of the issues could have been resolved if Nintendo/IS just renamed the series to something else/made it a spin-off instead of part of the main series, but eh, whatcha gonna do. Fates being a spin-off would have helped older fans come to terms with it while letting it do its own thing–waifus and all–without as much backlash but rather a lot of the flexibility of a new IP, like the Persona spin-off/sub-series that eventually turned into its own thing.)
I’m still not willing to give the series up. It used to be so great, so seeing it turned into pervert heaven is horrible, but..
you know.. maybe they’ll get back on track again? It’d be a huge shame if they didn’t.
By the way, I really like the idea of them renaming the series in future titles, in case they continue making the games how they’re now. Seems like a win-win to me.
I wouldn’t say that I’m mad at new-fans of the series but moreover just agitated. Granted they can’t really play the previous games unless they shell out some money, but at the very least they need to somehow experience how the games were beforehand. Hell, that’s why I said a reboot of one of the previous GBA titles would do some good, but in a more modern fashion (FE7 would still be the perfect choice for this). Because I’m honestly thinking how they can top a new FE game to have more features than Fates does. The only thing I can think of is literally make your avatar speeches VN-style and give them choices of dialogue, which impact the way the story goes to a good degree (and I don’t mean just change conversations slightly, I mean actually have your decisions impact the story). But I guess as they say for the newer fans that are all “Waifu-this Husbando-that”, ignorance is bliss.
That being said, the older fans need to chill. At this point you’re all just going to be weeded out of the target audience even further because clearly you’re not being catered to. FE has to evolve in order to continue to survive. If Awakening and Fates were similar to a T to what the GBA and other games were….than a whole lot of people wouldn’t have played it. “But they’re ruining FE names~!!!” -_- Well they’re not so much ruining but just being annoying about it. If anything its cringe worthy when people don’t know who Hector is and base their prior-knowledge of FE on Smash. But that’s them and honestly if new fans bother you so much then the solution is just to not go on anything comment-based about Fire Emblem. Hell, I would say just quit the series in-of itself if you have so many issues with it.
Moral of this story, it’s weird being a long-time fan that doesn’t really have anything against current FE. Hell, its still one of my favorite series and it’ll take some drastic shit for me to not like it anymore.
Old People: Take the sticks out of your butts
New People: There’s more to FE than SMASH and Awakening
I dont think it’s weird. I’m a long time fan and I love everything they’ve done so far ‘cept maybe a few nitpicks here and there. Judging by how fast the SE of fates sold I’d say most fans are cool too. Complaints will always just seem more vocal on the internet though since 1. it’s the Internet… 2. it gives people with a bone to pick a small (if false) sense of control and 3. there’s not much to scream about if you’re cool with things already.
The most important thing is to just vote with your wallet. In our free market society that’s ultimately what companies listen to. Hell it’s ultimately what saved this series. What other people think of the series should have little impact on your own enjoyment.
voting with your wallet is a super flawed if not stupid concept IMO, because you don’t get to decide what you vote for: it’s completely up to the interpretation of the companies. not buying Fates, for instance, might just come off as “you don’t want more FE”–it doesn’t say “I want FE, but not this kind of FE”. likewise, buying it doesn’t necessarily say “I am just supporting this in hopes of the next games being better”, it will probably be interpreted as “I am buying this because I want more”. not sure you can call it “voting” when you don’t even get to say what you’re voting for.
Well it’s unfortunate but guess what, you are the consumer. You are not the one working 12 hours a day for a year or two to make virtual entertainment for a bunch of random dudes with disposable income to enjoy or whine about. If you want something a bit different then the best thing you can do is try and offer feedback to the company, and see if enough people want the same thing to react. If you feel something is really really wrong then just don’t offer that company your credit for their product. Hell I thought the latest Battlefront looked real rubbish so I just chose not reward EA for it. I can understand if others want to though, I just won’t be a part of it.
If you want something that matches your exact specific tastes however, then sorry, you either have to wait until you luck out and something exact comes along or make your own exact game. I actually respect both options. But that’s how this world works. You either like something enough that you work or pay for it or you don’t. No one in this world owes you your dream game. In this instant gratification world it seems like everyone feels entitled to one, but nothing in this world is that easy.
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Couldn’t agree more.
Personally, I’m not really against the current Fire Emblem (minus a few nit-picks). All I care about is that while they (as in Intelligent Systems) may want to evolve the series, they just need to make sure that they don’t make Fire Emblem lose it’s true identity. As long as the core aspects that make up Fire Emblem don’t change, I’ll be fine with it.
Looks like many people are looking forward to Fates in 2016: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/01/feature_the_biggest_3ds_games_of_2016 (scroll down to vote in the poll about which game you’re most anticipating in 2016).
I’m going to have to keep “S.S. Critania” in mind.
An FE14 speedrun will be interesting, due to the overall game balance and lack of exploits.
That water dragon would’ve been awesome to defeat… I suppose I’m a little angry that they didn’t use the DS remake to try and finally implement their original ideas (and give the characters support conversations… and less ghost-like mugshots… and personality… *ahem*).
I find it interesting how Greco-Roman a lot of the character designs in this first version of Shad Dragon were. (Could anybody care to explain why Marth went into a warzone… with no pants on? I’ve seen Pegasus Knights better protected… in fact Caeda *is* better protected here!) In this way, it fits in with the chronology of Arkaneia/Ylisse. If FE1 happened in the equivalent of 500BC than FE13 happened around 1500, which looks about right for both game’s original designs.
Marth’s Japanese name is “Mars”, so the tunic and sandals looking Greco-Roman makes some sense.
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Dang, Radiant Dawn remains my favorite Fire Emblem game (other than the lack of support convos). As much as I like the handheld games, I was hoping for more console FE games similar to Radiant Dawn.
Looking at the old class concepts, the center middle row class is definitely called トレーナー “Trainer”, and was probably a predecessor of the Wyvern Rider/Dracoknight class line.
Middle left really looks to me like the class is called バツグル “BATSUGURU” from close examination. That might still be wrong, though, and even if it was right I don’t actually know what that means. The class design itself kinda reminds me of a mixture between a Dread Fighter and a Barbarian/Brigand. Interestingly, it appears to be wielding clubs, which only just recently made it into the series as an actual usable weapon type. Even considering that, the clubs this class is dual-wielding look far cruder and more barbaric than the kanabo that are used in Fates.
It took me a while to figure out the one on the middle right. It looks like it could either be ルナハン “Runahan” (a real surname apparently), or, more likely, ルカイン “RUKAIN”, in which case I don’t know what the correct translation would be.
As an aside, the drawing here combined with what the kana looks like really makes me think that this particular concept art is of a single specific character, rather than a general class as the rest seem to be. The character design really reminds me a lot of Zephiel, too… I can’t help but wonder if they could possibly have reused a character design from that far back when Binding Blade’s development came around.
These are just my (probably bad) attempts at reading these, though. If anyone who knows better (and/or who has any idea what
バツグル or ルカイン might be intended to be) wants to make corrections, I’d welcome the clarity!
Is that Elincia I see on the bottom?
That’s one too easy, huh? : P
Too bad the special edition is sold out already all over the US. Hope there’s like a second wave of preorder
hello. I’m trying to get onto the chat in the forums can i had a question regarding FE4. it won’t let me connect and I’ve tried connecting a few times which i believe it shows up in chat. it kicked me out. is there some kind of alternative chat like a chatango site? thank you
…It’s Cipher 0 art badges.
I can make out the previously stated Elincia, but the rest I’m not so sure on (and don’t feel like comparing them with card art to find out).
Grrr…! I have to wait until I get paid to preorder… I hope Fates are kind to the late preorder folk like myself… har…har…har…
Yup, I’m screwed. >.<
“Now, if we could just get a Fire Emblem Fates release date for Europe!” indeed my friend indeed 🙂
I want a FE Fates demo!
Do you know if there’s an easy way for someone not in japan to obtain these items? Besides buying them off eBay
Play-Asia. ^_^
So i am guessing that you dont get the preorder bonus if you pre order the special edition
The special edition gets the preorder bonus as well.
I am guessing online orders get it also
Yes, if you look up your order information, the keychains should be listed on the purchase order.
What i it was ordered well before the keychains wwre announced
You should still receive them. The only way to know for sure is to look up your order info and on the order info page it will list the charge for the game and under that on next line it will have the key chains. I ordered the day of the nintendo direct and mine shows the key chains in the order.
Both games are listed on the site as having the keychains as a bonus. I tried pre-ordering only Birthright, and they’re even listed on the order confirmation alongside the game. The phrasing on that image appears to be a mistake (unless it’s the site that’s faulty).
http://www.gamestop.com/collection/fire-emblem-fates
The card game really needs an official English release, someone petition NoA.
Nice for you guys in NA i am a little jealous but hf guys 😀
I wonder if the Cipher characters will be distributed in the west somehow.
I’m honestly hoping for more DLC classes in the game – even if no more are coded in currently or at all, or even like a Fire Emblem series of Amiibo that detail the protagonists and antagonists, aside from the dragon bosses, though that would be cool too. Just an entire wave of units that you could train in Fates, but most of all, I want a Chrom based off of the one in Genei Ibun Roku #FE, like a Chrom Amiibo, and he has a special class that’s similar to the Dread Fighter of Awakening, and Great Lord. Imagine it, a class for Chrom that mixes his actually pretty good Magic Stat (48 w/ Limit Breaker in Awakening as a Dread Fighter), but also utilizes Swords and Lances.
So is Fates gonna get even more DLC in the future besides what’s already out in Japan?
Time to add that 3DS to my collection.
Nice 3DS. Shame NoA is going to censor Fates, otherwise I’d be more interested in buying it…
Good thing we have that translation patch for imported versions!
So, because there might be a few alterations, you’d rather pirate and hack the Japanese version?
Wow. Some people really are that self-entitled.
I said “imported”, not “pirated”. But yes, absolutely. Why would I want to purchase an incomplete product over a complete one? That just seems silly.
Using Homebrew (specifically HANS), you can mod games you own, without needing to resort to piracy. While I would recommend the official English version, everyone’s entitled to their own choice.
You don’t need to pirate to import, HANS is a very effective system I’ve used to play hacks of ORAS.
With that said, I highly doubt NoA would be dumb enough to censor too much outside toning down the amie dialogue a bit. they got too much hell from censoring Tharja’s butt to try that again
Couldn’t care less about censoring or her butt. Her butt didn’t add or take away from the story and experience.
I would’ve imported Fates since my 3ds has homebrew and Hans, but I heard you need to be below a particular version of your system and needed Ninjahax for something… It’s to technical for me. :/
Bought the new 3ds xl thinking they wouldnt come with this
and Now I know, I fuqed up.
I feel your pain. I did the same thing and bought it thinking Nintendo was not going to release one since it was not mentioned in the direct.
Merry Christmas to me too, I did it and Boom, Nintendo delivers
We got juked by Nintendo.
My wait wasn’t for nothing.
Love the subtle design. Looks much nicer than the faceplates imo.
If only NOE would finally announce something for us, too.
Yeah, NOE, don’t leave us waiting too long. Please : P
At first was theorizing that it might be to allow the west to gain access to cipher units, but since I kept reading and saw that some skills are currently unobtainable, it does seem likely there will be more DLC. odd that they waited this long though
The only disappointing thing about this is the fact that it doesn’t come with the game… !@##^$@!!!!
A̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶t̶e̶r̶n̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶I̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶u̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶
̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶F̶a̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶S̶p̶e̶c̶i̶a̶l̶ ̶E̶d̶i̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶.̶.̶h̶e̶h̶e̶h̶e̶h̶
If you look carefully, you can notice there’s also french text on the boxart ( “Jeux Fire Emblem Fates vendus séparément.”, “édition Fire Emblem Fates” with a capital “é”, and another one on the bottom left of the box )
Looks like they’re planning to release it in Europe too, but I’ve already got a MH4U n3DS XL and the packaging is vertical, not horizontal.
But my japanese n3DS Fire Emblem if has the horizontal packaging too, so it’s weird… Maybe it’s the way Nintendo do them now?
I really hope it get released here ! I’ll buy it on the spot with the Special Edition… [Credit Card intensifies]
I think French packaging is mandatory in parts of Canada.
Oh, you may be right, totally forgot about Canada ! Dayum, now I’m disappointed. xD
Despite already owning a n3DSXL, I broke down and bought this. I am weak.
Does that mean I need to buy Brithright or Conquest to get Revelation?
Yeah, you do.
Am I really the only one who prefers the japanese fates plates to this?
I think I’ll stick to my FE: Awakening 3ds for now.
My money went to the special edition that became available for presale today in my local store, so im not getting that console lol…still….the design needs more work in my opinion, too plain
Looks half-assed and boring. The faceplates were a way better thingy.
Despite my reservations against Awakening, I bought all the DLC essentially doubling the price for the entire game. The DLC was…pretty ridiculously crappy now that I think about it, but oh well. I don’t think I’ll be wasting money on shoddily thrown together DLC this time, especially since I’m already paying so much to get the full version of the game on one cart (the LE).
Will they release yet ANOTHER special addition or DLC that has the uncensored character interactions? I want to convert lesbians dammit!
Oh my naga.
I should have known
Damn…
I’m just getting myself a decal for the interior, but if you want the exterior too…well that’s there too. Not sure if you want to spend $10 for it though. Also keep in mind its for n3DSXL too. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fire-Emblem-Fate-FE-Fate-Game-Protective-Sticker-Decal-Skin-For-Nintendo-New-3DS-XL-Decor/32447245916.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.27.mxGBjS
Mostly useless lol. Dat love life tho, hubba hubba. Thunder raisin.
i bet he knows glitches too
Thanks for translating the Japanese version’s text! I was curious about that.
I agree be was probably an NPC or something of the like. It does say that the roster lists “story characters”, not ” playable characters” or “units”, so that may be a leftover from when Hubba was on there.
Who’d ever though that he’d be going Gotoh.
*laughs*
Though Anna has been around much longer, she doesn’t do any fortune telling when she’d be a real potent one for her longer experience around the universe.
OMG, this
This is great
So Old Hubba’s far older than we supposed…
THUNDERATION!!!!
So his birthday is a leap year. Somehow, that doesn’t surprise me.
Hopefully this will eventually be on Amazon or something, since I prefer making most purchases there.
Just like when Aimee made the jump from FE1 to 9.
Thank god for the homebrew scene: https://gbatemp.net/threads/released-bravely-default-eur-usa-uncensored.391715/
In regards to the skinship censorship, err on the side of caution when reporting on it; the direct quote from Nintendo has no proper context, and could be Kotaku misinterpreting or misrepresenting what was said… both things that Kotaku is very frequently known to do.
That’s why I cited Kotaku as the source of this “leak”, and clarified that it’s not officially announced as of yet.
I would also agree here. It could definitely be true, but Kotaku is historically a terrible source known to misrepresent many, many things.
It looks like Nintendo has started sending responses to those who asked about it, and it is out. Here’s a screenshot of the message I received this morning: http://postimg.org/image/6u2m77dwr/
Well people have found previous videos with the treehouse that has a ! above it, which indicated that the skinship cool down had expired. so either A: they removed it recently B: it was replaced with a new feature, or far more likely, C: Kotaku lying for clicks… again.
Indeed, from the info people have found, it is highly likely that Kotaku(or to be more specific, Nathan Grayson) is lying. Par for the course.
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692499937028874241
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692542462418616320
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692542768556695553
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692729813451210752
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692730114765795329
Thank goodness. Not surprising, though, Nathan Grayson is a known liar and spinster.
To be fair, there is still a possibility that he’s telling the truth. Time will tell.
New info: Turns out despite all that it is getting removed: http://nintendoeverything.com/removal-of-fire-emblem-fates-petting-mini-game-in-the-west-reconfirmed/
Unless Grayson forged the screenshot, but I’d hope even he isn’t that vile.
Was it Youkai or Youko before that was changed to Kitsune?
Youkai, but the fantraslation was Fox-Spirit
How odd, his class is listed 妖狐 (youko) (in Famitsu anyway, II’ll have to check the game again, but I assume they’re right) which is just another way to refer to Fox Spirit. Wondering where Youkai came from. xD
EDIT: Checked his profile too! It’s also 妖狐 (youko), so will inform Vincent. : )
Elise better not be removed entirely. Because without her, it wouldn’t feel right.
Start with the base audience for this game.
Then remove the percentage that doesn’t keep up with minor details like these (probably a whole lot; over 50%).
Then remove the percentage that isn’t actually bothered by this news.
Then remove the percentage that isn’t bothered enough and dogmatic enough to boycott the game on mere principle.
Then compare that remaining population to the potential population that would be lost due to the negative publicity of these features and/or the hassle of potentially receiving an M rating.
It’s unfortunate to see something get outright removed, but regardless of anyone’s personal preference, the reasoning checks out. It’s just a pity that it had to happen in this…political climate. It’s getting to the point where the kind of routine localization changes nobody paid attention to 3 years ago are going to be blown out of proportion just so people can keep getting mad.
Some name changes are interesting, while some are weird.
Also, RIP Skinship ;_;
I wanted to stroke my waifus. But Kotaku can be bitch about info, so let’s wait and see.
I guess they genuinely doubt the general populus’ ability to pronounce names with “ts” in them.
Looks like that fanslation will come in handy after all.
I am against censorship, and I am greatly disappointed to see the removal of a feature with potentially no replacement. but my wish to play the game outweighs my disappointment. I’ll still get the game, but as of recent years I’ve been less and less of a fan of Nintendo.
A lot of these things I’m… ok? with? I’ll still say Tsubaki just because I end up naturally saying tsu when I’m saying a japanese anyway… but Saizo without a U just looks really dumb to me. Ryouma to Ryoma and stuff like that I can live with. I can even live with rinkah getting an extra H. But Saizo by itself looks… short. Cut off almost.
The only other thing that bothers me is the fact that Kaden is on the hoshido side, so it makes sense for him to have a japanese looking name. The name Kaden… isn’t.
I liked the name eastern heart over camaraderie because it sounds better and more hoshidan to me (also probably because I couldn’t spell camaraderie without looking at it, which is not normal for me), but I’m not too bitter about it.
So sad about the Skinship feature… I really hope there’s still hope and that they will “”just”” change some dialogues in it and stuff but not remove it completely. It really would be unfair !
If his birthday is a leap year then how is he so old?
so who is able to marry Soleil? Male or Female Corrin?
Only male supposedly
I actually found out that the way it was in the JAP version she never could marry a female from what I read. They removed a pointless part
Im not going to lie, seeing the removal of the skinship feature is kind of saddening.. Im not so mad that the skinship feature itself might be removed but my thing is, like is there no way they can just censor the dialogue? To me I see no reason why a whole feature should be terminated but I mean hey that’s just my opinion…. It sort of just feels like were getting “part’ of the game…. Plus RIP me trying to train my mind to say the english names instead of the Japanese ones ;_;
Apparently murder,incest,corruption,suicide etc are ok for this game; but rubbing the face of animated characters is where NOA draws the line.
Honestly don’t even care about the amie thing, but to cut even content like that from the game is ridiculous. Why should we get a watered down version of a game.
Yes especially given that its an entirely optional feature.
The optional meme is done dude. It’s even proven, in text above, that it’s used to get the better weaponry and items. It’s not really optional when you play harder difficulties.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what “Optional” means.
Censorship is wrong. I don’t need NOA deciding whats “appropriate” for me. Just give it to me and I will make my own decisions.
Censorship is one thing. But I’m talking about the optional argument. It’s been done to death and it’s like saying, because one game is made up of optional content, you then can’t judge it as a whole.
If the content is not optional and thus integral then cutting it would be an even worse offense, since I am now objectively paying for an incomplete game.
If the content was optional (which from what I’ve seen of the plays, it seems to be since there’s many ways of obtaining items and supports) then it remains just a rather inane censoring of a minor silly feature.
If it’s such an offence then why is IS taking this so lightly. Why was it removed if it’s so insulting, but IS said “Ok, you can remove that content”? That’s localization. What does IS have to say about this?
I’m not sure you know. While I understand where you’re coming from (and I respect your view to original creators), do you know why the petting was added? Because, Awakening created an accident fanbase all about the waifu’s and etc. and IS got a lot of money because of it. Why do you think petting was put in the first place, for money, not respect or moral art. This is the gaming industry. Did you seriously think petting would be put in and everything would go hunky dory?
“You took out my petting, I’m insulted.” Really? … … Really? Aren’t we grown men?
You’re putting words in my mouth. I do not care for the petting itself that much personally, but that has little to do with the issue I was addressing. I was addressing your claim that the petting minigame was not optional. If that were the case, then that would be a serious issue. That means you cannot complete that game without it and NoA just sold you an incomplete game. Thankfully that does not seem to be the case.
Maybe you meant to say that the minigame was consequential. Something can be both optional and consequential at the same time. They are two different spectrums.
The petting minigame is both. There are tangible rewards and benefit to it (items, support points) thus consequential. But you do not NEED to use it to beat the game (you can grind, use My Castle etc.) thus optional.
On the flipside, something can be mandatory or integral and inconsequential at the same time. Like a cut scene for example. Ok sure you can skip it, but you have to at least go by it before completing the game, thus mandatory. But you do not usually gain any rewards or benefits from it, thus inconsequential.
You’re right. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to put it that way.
Consequential? Idk, maybe. This feature only gives you rare items and support bonuses, but whether they’re optional or not, it can’t be said as an excuse. Sometimes, optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not, whether you miss out on anything or otherwise.
True, it’s not needed to beat the game, but it bleeds into other core aspect of the game. Here it’s the support. It’s there to either be used or not to be used for your ‘run’, and whether you use it or not will determine if everything will go smoothly and easily or just outrageously hard. It’s outbalanced. Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.
“I’m playing Nohr on the hardest difficulty, I can’t grind, I can’t beat it.”
“Have you tried the face touching feature?”
“Yeah, about that…”
If you don’t use it, you’re being penalized for having taste, gameplay wise and game time wise.
See now you’re just contradicting yourself for the sake of argument.
“optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not.” “Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.”
So is it or is it not optional? And the second quote is patently false. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to maximize every stat and feature imaginable. That is your prerogative. The definition of an option is something you do not need to complete something else but can if you choose. Difficulty is irrelevant. And even if it was, I’ve seen videos of Nohr playthroughs that “run smoothly” without having to touch anyones face, so I dont know where you get that “smooth with/impossible without” dichotomy from.
Look I get that you think it is an important feature. That is a perfectly fine opinion to have. But you can’t claim that “optional is a meme” to support your claims. That is just flat false, and hurts your position more than helps.
You missed my point by nitpicking not all of my full sentence. Good optional is something you can decide on that doesn’t effect the games entirly. Nothing dramatic changed and can easily be ignored.
Borderlands has so many guns, their optional. If your not happy with the guns you find and your happy with the ones you’re using, it’s okay, cause you can manipulate this optional for better optional mechanic. Sell the guns for money.
Bad optional content is when it’s obviously optional, but really… you end up needing it.
I’m going to assume you played Awakening, Lunatic+, Classic mode. I’m sure you know this was claimed as a bitch. You’re forced to use everything optional. Marriage Supports, Grinding, etc. They’re even back in fates, optional, and yet now bleeded into core aspects of the game, which means anyone who plays this game is going to use them, either they like or not.
Now I don’t care if you’ve seen ‘runs’ of Nohr. Because you still haven’t played it. You can’t say it’s easy until you can have the experience, which means I’m not listening to your opinion. Especially when people have said it is hard and that it’s difficulty ramps up to almost Tharcia 779, one of the hardest of FE games.
The reason why it’s a meme is because it’s used to deflect arguments, instead of using it as a positive.
I’m curious if you’ve played this game yet yourself if you’re so quick to dismiss someone else for their lack of hands-on experience. I never made any claims of ‘easiness’ either, I only said I’ve seen it done without much issue without using the minigame. See you keep making claims like it’s ‘never optional’ or ‘anyone who plays’ has to use the function. What about the vast majority of the people who don’t do Lunatic+ runs? Can they not finish the game without it? And if it’s such a necessity why was it cut? That means no one can finish the game without it now.
I get that you don’t like the petting minigame, I’m not huge on it myself, but you can’t just deflect the argument yourself that it was an optional feature by just saying it’s a ‘meme’. You can argue that it’s ‘good or bad’ optional, that’s a valid opinion, but you can’t just outright say it’s not an option.
Once again, I don’t need Nintendo of America deciding whats in my localized version of the game. If I don’t want it I wont use it. Nintendo should have no say in cutting out content for certain countries. Thats what we call censorship. Being a “grown man” has nothing to do with them cutting it. In fact its because I’m a grown man that I don’t need them to cherrypick shit out for my “benefit”, if its good enough for Japan its good enough for the rest of the world, to say otherwise is wrong especially since I’m the consumer, giving MY money. Its wrong and nothing you say is gonna change our minds about it.
Nothing will change your minds? That’s actually a good strong belief. But, you people can say “Pre-order cancelled, not getting it anymore.” Your loss. Hey, I didn’t want the petting feature to begin with and thought I wasn’t getting my money’s worth, yet I’m still waiting for release. Now people get thrown on to the same people who didn’t have much content whether it was there or not, and complain there isn’t enough content for their purchase. Welcome to the real world.
You know you can be staunchly opposed to censorship and still look forward to the game right? Like I didn’t care about petting that much in the first place, so I will still purchase and enjoy the game. But the fact that Nintendo of America still seems to see it’s consumers as puritanical children who need to be protected from other cultures is kind of a worrying trend that should be discussed. I don’t think you can just say ‘well I didn’t like a cut feature, so who cares.’ That sets a precedent that consumers will just take whatever changes a publisher makes without a second thought.
Wow the world is so black and white to you. You think any a complaint is large enough to not still buy it in your eyes it would seem. But I will tell you at some point if this censorship goes beyond my tolerance I will simply not buy Fire Emblems Anymore. As it stands I don’t give a flying fuck about petting, and am opposed to its cut on principle. As for that SJW bullshit in regards to one Support Conversation I am opposed to personally. It being removed because some retards mistranslated and misinterpreted the conversation and NOA editing it for that group pisses me off. Let them not buy the game if they are so opposed and leave the rest of us have the intact product.
Really Franchezco you need to stop caring what I’m complaining about because they are legitimate concerns and because YOU think the argument is tired doesn’t matter one bit into anyone’s mind except your own. News flash you can’t judge a whole without its optional parts. Is that clear enough for you? Thats what started this and now your arguing for the sake of argument.
I agree, that the whole localization matter can be taken to far. I mean, really… Fatal Frame. Digital Copy only… real stupid.
But just because something is optional, it’s above critique? That’s what you think?
You buy a burger with a side of fries, and the fries are burnt and disgusting, but it’s okay, their optional, I can’t judge the fast food store for making my food bad when I payed for it and expect quality.
critique it all you want. I don’t care. What I do care about is it is content that is being cut for arbitrary reasons. Slippery slope.
Thankfully they got rid of Pokemon petting. Content or not, it is not an idea that translates well outside of Japan, and if this game wants to be taken seriously then it made a step in the right direction.
Why remove skinship…? i dont get it, is it a no-moral system for them or what…?
Now i know why it was being released early, wasnt it supposed to release in summer? and they honestly couldnt tell us this earlier.
Pre-ordered the game because of the skinship with them waifus ._. now that it is possible it will be taken out, I’m still gonna get it for the S supports. XD
single4life
Okay, so Vocaloid can get away with letting the player pet the Vocaloids in Project Diva F and Project Diva F 2nd in the west, but Fire Emblem can’t? Maybe Nintendo of North America is more uptight about these sorts of things than the North American branch of Sony or even Sega for that matter. I’m not really mad that it’s been removed, just kind of baffled since another Teen rated game already did something rather similar in the west…
“Tsubaki | Subaki”
“Pegasus Knight | Sky Knight”
Thanks a lot, NoA.
Also I’m gonna take anything Kotaku says with a grain of salt. Scratch that, an entire salt mine. A very salty salt mine. I’ll need all that salt if it ends up true.
Little things. You have to remember FE:A brought a lot of newer fans, especially those not versed in Japanese name pronunciations. The idea I think is that long time fans wont care so long as they get a translation and newcomers don’t care at all.
For the iteration that doubled down on the creepy waifu/husbando stuff it sort of makes no sense that they may remove those features…then again Kotaku
Also were those name changes really necessary? And where’s my EU release date >.<
A lot of the name changes don’t make much sense I find. I’m sure I’ll end up getting used to it though
That’s it Nintendo. I’m done. I’ll remember the good times we had, but until you start put the customer first again. I’m done. First Fatal Frame and now this? They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
This makes me happy.
I’ve made it through a LOT of Fire Emblem games without ever having to rub anyone’s face, so I think I’ll be just fine. For all the added relationship stuff, Fire Emblem is still a turn-based battle strategy game for me, and I’d rather all supports be handled during combat: proximity, teaming up, sacrificing an attack to hold a conversation, etc. Face rubbing just seems like lazy development to me.
Precisely. The direction the series is taking is quite detestable imo. Sadly, seeing how successful Awakening was to non-FE fans, I fear the waifus, shitty FFTA grinding and overpriced DLC are here to stay.
Well, I’m not quite at “detestable.” What I love about FE is largely still intact (battle system and story/characters). I also felt the DLC in Awakening was well worth it, so we’ll see if I feel the same after Fates. My fear with things like face rubbing and amiibo support and training castles is that they’ll muddy the core mechanics and start to interfere with the experience as a whole. I guess it’s a risk we have to take in order to maintain the widespread appeal necessary to keep the series running.
I’d rather not start an argument here since we do agree somewhat on a few things, but I could argue for days how the battle system and characters in Awakening are far inferior to that of the previous entries in the series. However… Eh, screw it, it’s not like I have anything better to do lol.
Awakening is a decent game, but is frankly one of the worst the series has to offer. The actual strategy component of the game is extremely lackluster as the map and unit diversity is at an all time low. You barely need to think about what you’re doing unless you’re playing the horribly imbalanced Lunatic or Lunatic+ difficulties, and those are just there to toss absurd numbers at you. Rushdown strategies can win literally any battle in Awakening with no repercussions, something that was never possible in the earlier games because you would always miss out on a unit or item and possibly lose units because the map structure favors the enemy.
It’s open fields and empty castles all the way to the end of Awakening. This alone rips most of the strategy out of the game.
That said, I DO respect that other people enjoy the game. I understand that some people just want a fun game to play once in a while, but I am way more hardcore about Fire Emblem than most people. That’s the reason I was severely disappointed in Awakening and what Fates is building on.
You’re right about lackluster maps. I attributed the relative ease to the ability to level up characters well beyond the enemy (I finished the final battle in three turns!), but the maps were less inspired than in the past. Perhaps it’s the combo of those two–along with all the DLC–that made Awakening the first Fire Emblem game I had no desire to play through more than once. Of course, that’s kind of the point of DLC…to give you something more to do than a New Game +.
I get why they want to remove the drugging scene, but Tharja was hexing people against their will all the time and no one cared. (And I really think it’s beyond ridiculous to think of the support chain as conversion therapy.)
SJWs taking everything out of hand as usual. Converting what good they could doing by targeting the those of us who don’t want every little thing censored.
Rep Quote from the Kotaku Article:
“Yes, that is the case [that petting isn’t in the English version]. You might have heaerd somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.”
Yeah, that’s kinda vague with no context. Sounded like he was asked if you’ll be cutting inappropriate stuff like petting people in the english version, and was like “Sure, but you were never really inappropriately ‘petting’ people jn the first place.”
My best guess is maybe you’ll just get the Live3D portrait cutscene with limited or without the touch screen aspect. It would be really baffling to me to cut wholesale models from the data just for the few people sensitive to it. I’ve seen stranger though I guess.
And yeah
>Gawker Media website
>any shred of credibility or integrity
Kotaku lied to us.
Here is proof http://i.imgur.com/NjADWpX.png
Straight from the mouth of Nintendo
While possibly just a generic statement due to being someone way lower on the ladder, it brings up the question of, if Nintendo isn’t being public about it, why would they tell Kotaku? and why was only Kotaku told?
Well from the looks of the actual quote itself, it seems like the writer asked his source specifically if features like touching faces were cut, to which he gave an answer that was basically “Yes, but your question was flawed.”
The bigger question now remains how reliable the source is, and what the context of the question was since only a vague answer was provided.
Prove it!
Though I am disappointed with the American localization stripping a lot of the original features such as Skinship, in the end we have to remember that Fire Emblem is a turned-based strategy game as it always has been, with things such as these being an extra flair to encourage a larger demographic into the series. But despite all that, in my point of view, there is a tremendous leap into “open-mindedness” with these localization with this game sorta pioneering it or at least following the trend. Like same-sex marriage seems to still an option, as well as incestual themes. Something not a lot of games like to cover due to the potential of a controversy, which we have seen Fates faced.
Regarding Soleil, i’m quite interested on how her supports are going to go. I originally planned to S-support her a while back, and i’m even more interested to see what changes they made with her. With hopes they didn’t completely butcher it.
I agree with the Soleil decision; gay conversion debate aside, I just think it’s a good idea to remove a conversation that shows her being essentially “drugged” by Corrin. (side note: She should have been bisexual, dammit. I wanted to romance her.)
As for the petting, I’m a little disappointed about it being removed, if true. It helped build up supports in Nohr route. D:
Laslow and Benny are the real problems tbh.
“Laslow and Benny” sounds like the name of another bad children’s cartoon. But it’s impossible for me to hear the name Benny without thinking of Benny Hill, so that’ll make for some unintentional comedy.
I think Benny is actually a pretty cute name, and I was very worried about what they’d rename him so I’m glad to see it was something like this. Laslow…I got nothing xp
I don’t Benny because it is cutesy XD. I prefer Benoit, it fits his character more.
As for Laslow, at least we know where he is going for the summer…
Actually, I think him being named Benoit might fit his character pretty well 😉 When I first read it, I thought “Maybe his name is Benoit still, he just tells everyong to call him Benny because he thinks it makes him look less intimidating” which seems like a thing Benoit would do x3 I actually wondered why they changed it, but appearently Benoit is also the last name of a wrestler who killed his family. In that case I think it’s fair it was changed, and Benny isn’t too bad.
Hey guys, so in case there is any doubt at all, I can confirm skinship is out. I just got this from Nintendo:
“Hello,
The Nintendo of America versions of Fire Emblem: Fates (Conquest, Birthright, and Revelation) have been changed to not include the ability to touch various body parts to improve the relationships between the player and in-game characters. When we localize a game, we do so in order to make it appropriate for that particular territory. All our choices were made from that point of view. We want to assure you that your comments will be added to our records for this game and will be made available for other departments at the company to review and thoughtfully consider.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
Gavin Heflin”
IGN confirmed its removal, but you still get support bonuses
Good enough for me
I’m just hoping you can still view the live3D models somehow. I really don’t care about the touching faces part, but it just seems like such a waste of resources to remove so many detailed renderings in a game for such an asinine reason as ‘appropriateness’.
That’s really my line-in-the-sand with censorship. Edit a costume or photo or some small detail, fine I get it, it’s a different culture blah blah. But cutting access to significant content, well that’s when my cogs really start grinding.
Sorry if this counts as a spoiler, but at the very least, the Live2D models are used for confession scenes instead of the static CG used in Awakening, if that helps?
Eh I guess it’ll do for now. That’s still a limited set of animations compared to the previous amount, but I’ve made my peace with the decision. I knew I was probably getting an altered version in the first place, but I just wish NoA would one day stop acting like it’s serving the kids table of video games.
Guys take the amie thing with a grain of salt, kotaku is an unreliable source. I’ve seen very many posts saying “yes it is” “no its not” wait until the game is released to the public before making a big fuss over it
Well, the removal of touching itself has at least been confirmed by Nintendo. You still get the bonuses but it’s unclear how.
No problem here.
Haven’t played Fire Emblem in about four or five years, but I randomly visited the site for some unknown reason and the first thing I see is that Nintendo of America is up to their old shenanigans again.
If Smash is getting this many FE reps, the series itself may go in a direction that can be on par with Pokemon. Japan will be getting them on the 4th! ^_^
http://www.smashbros.com/jp/dlc/index.html
I think it’s more of a way to promote Fire Emblem If/Fates through Smash Bros. than anything.
Exactly my thoughts.
Honestly, I don’t want Fire Emblem to ever become a ‘big series’. If it will, it has to appease the mainstream which means we will get even more waifushit. Seisen no Keifu handled the marriage system quite well but Awakening and Fates has the problem of making everyone able to marry everyone, which makes the relationships feel very weak and fabricated imo.
IS should just do a SMT and Persona thing with FE.
Mark your calendars, folks; February is a huge month for Fire Emblem in America!*
I corrected it, you’re welcome.
I am still waiting for a release date xD
February is a big month for FE! This is going to be great, but…
RIP Wallet ;-;
Well, if there’s one thing I’ve learned from all of this, it’s that a lot of you are REALLY passionate about petting people’s faces…and that there’s some confusion out there about the difference between censorship and editing for content.
In fairness I don’t think it’s just about the petting. People were also worried that they wouldn’t get to see the Live2D models as much (since even with the confession scenes you’d only really get to see it once per playthrough unless you really liked grinding support points), and the minigame had a lot of dialogue, including a fair amount that fleshed out the characters and has been said to include the majority of the VA, that people also didn’t want to miss out on. Many were also worried that that had been removed along with the minigame. However so far, we don’t know if those are out, although we don’t know if those are still in either. We really just have to wait until someone shows it off in-game.
If the support conversations are lost, then I’ll share their disappointment, yes. Character development is one of the my favorite aspects of the series, after all. I’m just glad I won’t have to virtually pet anyone’s virtual face in order to see them…assuming they’re still there.
I agree that character development is one of my favourite aspects, and also I feel one of the most important. With so many characters, and a few who’s personalities boil down to a few traits, any development is very welcome and really helps you to actually conntect with these characters. It can also help with supports…I’ve already read one person saying that the minigame lines really fleshed out the two gay marriage candidates, since otherwise their supports were a bit lacking. You also lose out on some very important information about characters. So, hopefully, that’s still in, or they’ve at least found a way to include that information elsewhere in the game.
A good point is the fact that you need to play the game to see the lines, which admittedly is an issue for those who are uncomfortable with the minigame, and perhaps makes it a bit less ‘optional’. Maybe it would have been better if there was a toggle for turning the petting on and off, so you could do it if you wanted or, if you didn’t could just press a ‘next’ or ‘skip’ button and get the ending dialogue and bonuses and items or whatever. That way you still won’t miss anything, but you wouldn’t have to engage in the actual minigame. I’m actually hoping that’s what they do here, keep the models and voice lines and etc., but just don’t have you needing to pet the character to get them, since we know that’s out. Of course, as to what they’ll actually do we still have no idea.
In short, I think it would just be very unfortunate if they ‘threw the bucket out with the bath water’ as it were, and throw out a lot of great resources, lines, and character development while trying to get rid of one controversial minigame.
“Gameplay tips will appear in the game (note: because of the high level of difficulty)” Depending on what kind of tips these are, that could be pretty interesting. Maybe this game will make me a better player. Looking forward to when it comes out, and hoping for some kind of translation.
I like the Female Axe Fighter’s Design.
Would it be easier with a picture gallery to view all the submission in one page? It’s tiring to open many tabs just to compare and becoming tedious to scroll down the picture in the forum. :/ By the way, good luck for participants!
Looking at that picture really reminds me of how simple yet effective character designs used to look in Fire Emblem.
Not that I think the current games look bad or anything, just that this older style still has a certain charm to it.
This is pretty cool, but I went with a physical copy of Fates because of Amazon’s 20% off deal.
Here comes the datamining!
http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/4/10920292/fire-emblem-fates-petting-skinship-localization-change I’m pretty sure there’ll be an article on this at some point.
for what purpose
If they were going to keep the character models with dialogue and them blushing, they should have just kept the skinship but made it skipable if you just wanted the bonus for it.
Well, even if you can’t touch the imouto, it’s something. Still feel burned about NA’s skinship game being nerfed, but we’ve got the more important conversations and bonuses intact. Except for Niles telling you he’s gonna do some spelunking, of course.
Also Live2D animations look janky as ever. Sakura’s gonna fling herself out of frame if things continue at that pace.
This was the most realistic and best case scenerio as to what they would do with the skinship minigame once it was confirmed touching was out, so I’m very happy! It’s especially nice to know the lines are fully voiced. I wish Nintendo had just explained this was what they were going to do, I feel like it’d have mitigated at least some of the controversy. Stll, happy to see this is what they went with!
As they said, its not bad. Glad I’ll still be able to giggle at those.
I’m just upset there’s no duel audio… “We’ve got trouble!” WHHHHHHYYYYYYY!?
yeah it’s a difficult situation for sure. as a big rune factory fan I still haven’t bought 4 yet due to no dual audio.
At least its not GONE. Even though i am disappointed you cant touch them/interact with the characters more, it can also be argued, that you still enjoy the scene, and it takes less work than there needs to be (its like 5-60 seconds less, depending on if your a pervert and want to take a long time instead of doing it normally).
So everything I wanted to stay stayed and everything I could take or leave left. Perfect solution in my book.
Yeah, I can live with it. Since the visuals and dialogue are not outright cut, there’s not much to cry over.
Still, it’s silly for the localization team to raise such a hubbub over tapping your stylus on a character’s face. Can’t have the kids playing this game have any funny feelings!
LBR, I can’t think of the localization team as being silly when there wasn’t really any hubbub until the fans got wind of it.
I blame Kotaku and the overall blogging era of news updates. If this had been like 10 years ago no one would have learned about the changes til the game dropped. Now every little rumor and tidbit is scrutinized and turned into a headline for those juicy clicks.
What a letdown, well, Better than nothing!
…Sorry, doesn’t this seem MORE explicit?
Like, it went from head-patting to “fade the screen away as they have implied sex”.
I’ll never understand NoA.
Except that fade in/out with the line of dialogue was already there along with the petting in the Japanese version, and the petting included moans and gasps and all sorts of lewd things. Plus the lines of dialogue in the English version have likely been altered to a degree where they aren’t nearly as lewd as they are in the Japanese version. Honestly I think this was the overall best outcome when concerning the removal of skinship, I personally wouldn’t have minded the petting but I’m just happy they kept in the dialogue and Live 2D models.
Agreed on all points. A lot of fans were concerned they’d do a fade to black to hide the skinship (as in, character enters room, fade to black, ‘Your relationship has strengthened!’, character leaves your room) which would definitely have major controversial implications, especially when you consider it also gives the character a stat boost for the next battle x3 The way they did it doesn’t imply there was anything untoward going on at all. If anything it looks like the characters just had a discussion, albeit a quick one.
Cool. At least my hand won’t be tired after the whole thing. Rubbing the stylus over and over can get tedious and boring.
Eh, it’s fine I suppose. Not like I’m going to use it anyway.
afaik there is no dual audio, which sucks. I miss the old FE’s that didn’t have any voice acting.
I’m just happy that they didn’t take away the live 2D models away since they look pretty cool.
Realistically speaking, im glad they went with a compromise rather than just outright taking it out. Even if there is no “tapping” we still get the models and scenes so i mean thats all i really cared about.. it kinda sucks that we are getting a nerfed version of it but in the grand scheme of the whole game i doubt it will be that big of a deal now… and umm felicia….hahaha….
I live in Toronto, I can try to see if I can get in! Getting shirts might be a problem but photos won’t be!
edit: got my ticket, so yay I’m in :^)
Good luck! I’ve always wanted to go to a Fire Emblem event to meet other fans. Huh, it’s probably about time I made my own…
Same here, the only thing I got close to was a photoshoot at a con, but and event is much cooler!
Anything is better than nothing! If there’s any other merchandise/memorabilia that just seems available, be sure to let us know too 😀
I’d love to see other goodies aside from the rubber badges be available, and hearing that shirts exist is more than I expected
Of course! Ill make note of anything I can see!
Now all I need to do hope I can go XD
Is it still like in Awakening where you have to marry every character to get the full experience? While I didn’t care much for that game, I still put a good 80h in it in total, which even then makes it my least played FE. Supports aren’t as helpful stat-wise as they used to be and I don’t want to think about shipping characters to recruit their child. I guess I could ignore shipping completely but I don’t particularly care for the whole marriage thing and children in general.
Ah Fire Emblem of old, I miss you. ;_;
You mean like the FE of old where you play as two whole generations? The one that had a MUCH bigger emphasis on marriage and children?
At least there were substitute characters, as well as no waifufag pandering.
Seisen no Keifu and Thracia in general are far superior in most ways to Awakening, as there are actual strategy in them.
I still need to go back to seisen no keifu and start over since i’m kinda screwed out of hanibel or whatever his name was since the child who got the sleep staff Couldn’t use staves. I think most of the games are better than awakening, especially storywise, awakening was very weak in that department.
And yes it is still like awakening in that regard. It seemed to be a major selling feature for fire emblem awakening which was originally going to be last fire emblem if it didn’t sell well. so i guess they decided to continue with it.
But yeah i too miss the old fire emblems that made you think and didn’t give you the option to let units come back next battle and having actual bosses and not those generic leaders in awakening.
Glad to see that there are still some sensible people left in this fandom, the majority seems to be sold into “The Awakening Delusion”.
You should get back to it for sure, both Seisen no Keifu and Thracia 776 are brilliant. To me Thracia is slightly better, partly because it introduced some series staples. Fog of War, rescue command (100x better than pair-up), as well as a fatigue system (wish it would appear in future titles).
They’re both tactical masterpieces in my mind.
Eh, like most everyone else, I didn’t think Awakening was anywhere near as good as the other games. I thought that the game was solid, but definitely the weakest entry (Shadow Dragon gets a pass because it’s a straight remake). I appreciate that they made it more marketable so as to continue the series, but the level of marketability does seem to be getting a bit too high.
Fair enough, you seem to understand that Awakening is shite compared to the others and that casualization does not only bring positives.
It’s a bit of a shame how it turned out, as I’m sure IS meant well with the game. Ultimately however, it became a bit too much of everything that wasn’t especially developed, and just put in for the “sake of being the last FE”. The marriage system is a good example of this.
So yeah, I don’t mind marriage if it’s well executed, but I find Awakening to fail in this aspect and several more.
Dude, that was one game. Which had substitute characters and no pandering (and before you bring up anything about incest, it was played for drama; not fetishism).
It’s extremely frustrating seeing people who haven’t touched FE4 talk about it matter-of-factly.
I wasn’t talking about it “matter-of-factly,” I was just pointing out that one of the FE of old had marriage and children as not only a major plot point, but actually THE major plot point.
Ooo, I’m definitely going too! Thanks for the heads-up!
Nice! If you manage to go, photos and a brief report of your experience would be nice (and maybe bribe the staff for an extra T-shirt). But of course remember to chill and have fun : )
Just asked and it seems like they’re imposing the limit on T-shirts, so we’ll have to see once I’m there. Otherwise I’m good for everything else so I’ll be back with the low-down next week, thanks!
Ugh, I’m getting antsy for the game. My body is extremely ready!! I don’t have a pre-order for the game, so I might either have to buy an eshop card or hope that my local Wal-mart has some copies left on the day of release.
It’s a shame I won’t be near Toronto on the 12th, because going to an FE event seems exciting.
Ugh, looks like I’m gonna have to avoid going on here for a few months.
Marxs <3 will be my first husbando
Nice. Couldn’t be happier. The only aspects of this I was frustrated with losing were the support bonuses and awesome character models. Both of those things are still around, so I’m happy as a clam. The actual touching mini game was always pretty irrelevant for me, and honestly the localization team had no choice. Taking it out was the only sensible thing to do considering how weird it would be considered in western culture.
Once again, Kotaku misleads.
Okay, so i know this is a 7 month old topic, but we’re 2 weeks away from release date, and its still hella confusing.
I am perfectly okay with this.
Lack of Dual Audio kinda sucks, since the dub seems… inconsistent, but I get that its probably more issue than its worth with the filesize and rights and whatnot.
Was still looking forward to the game either way. 2 weeks can’t go fast enough.
*Giggle*
It will be nice to see some photographs of these shirts after the trip. The beginning story of Fates gives it a good enough point to have Corrin struggle later in the critical decision.
That Weapon Triangle tidbit is pretty interesting. Pity it wasn’t in the final product.
Yeah, then axes might have been at all useable.
Gonzales.
Exhibit A.
Ya know… Its okay… but I wanted to pet my waifu’s and husbando’s heads.
Seems similar to the glowing tiles from Awakening, though further expanded. I’ll take it.
we need this in us! I have some already but its kind of confusing in japanese and it would be much easier to purchase if it was here in the U.S. however at the very least we need an english version of the albums
Ah, two more weeks and I’ll be able to have a relaxing, casual romp through Fates’ three part story on Classic. It’ll be a nice break from actually strategizing in Tear Ring Saga.
lmao, so true.
It’s a bit sad seeing people unfamiliar with FE arguing for Awakening and Fates being rich in the strategy department.
Then again, maybe I should save the criticism for after I play the game. Stupid EU not having a confirmed release date yet…
One of my all time favorite Fire Emblems. Sure it had flaws, but it was one of the most interesting and fun FEs I’ve played.
Interesting to note the unused sea dragon class in FE3. Perhaps they intended to bring Neptune back for that (As book 2 expands upon the dragons in general) yet it still didn’t make the final cut.
The things that were in the beta version seems really interesting, especially the weapon triangle changes. The original chapter seemed interesting too, but FE:6 is very good as it is.
Yeah Nintendo give us the dual audio via DLC at least i don’t care if i have to pay just give it to us
I’ve actually seen a lot of people on other sites saying this is such a dealbreaker that they will not buy it. I will obviously still buy and prob love it but this really bums me out (did not like the english dub in awakening). Hope they realize they are gonna lose sales with this.
People saying “I’m canceling my preorder!” when some detail of a game isn’t exactly right is practically a cliche at this point.
Already pre-ordered Birthright digitally on the eShop. The game was more important than all the shit that got cut out. Not to mention I’d like the opportunity to hear, read, and play the game via dubs.
Is that wrong of me to want that?
Nobody said anything like that. Dubs are great (if they are good), but some people prefer the japanese voices.
Oh I know, but this is a dealbreaker for some people less attached to the series.
Well it’s also a deal breaker for me ,Bought Awekening and all their DLC an planned to do the same with this one but Now, It’s a Big NO, aparrently it’s too hard to ask a NoA the same experience and all of the content the Japanese had.
Before someone say, just import it, Region Lock, Nintendo don’t give you a easy Option here.
Really Dissapointed in Nintendo and how they communicate with some their customers.
any respect i had for them is lost, by their recent behavior and stance with the Censors- i mean “Localization”
Killed any hype i had for this game,
You’re right. They should have just given us the original Japanese game with no translation whatsoever. And how dare they not meet your expectations and wants? A truly horrible company.
Guess you were never a fan of Fire Emblem to begin with.
The people that are most pissed about this are the non-English speaking Westerners. Since they have to deal with a dub they don’t understand, they’d rather play the original one. I, for one, will just turn off the voices and play it like a good old FE.
Understandable? Yes.
Still disappointed from the not adding dual-audio? Still yes.
I hope that Nintendo will at least consider dual-audio download via DLC to solve the issue with space, as well as licensing issues.
Thank you for for explaining the complexities of dual audio. This should be required reading for anyone the least bit interested in these decisions.
I honestly don’t think people who expect or want the original Japanese are numerous enough to sway NOA or NOE, but it’s not unreasonable to at least request it.
I’m not completely heartbroken, and I understand why duel-audio can be a bit of a pipe dream, but Aqua’s (Or Azura’s or whatever her name is. I’ve been very good at dodging game news!) voice in the Japanese audio is just so beautiful, I’m sad that I won’t be able to listen to it in the context of the game. ;^;
The 8GB 3DS carts don’t actually exist, as no game has ever used them. 8 GB is just a theoretical possibility as claimed by the manufacturer of the 3DS carts. Vita’s in the same boat, though I think that’s more likely to use a 8 GB cart than 3DS is.
Also it seems the full version of Fates is smaller than 2 GB, so that means they were easily able to fit the whole thing on one cart afterall. Dual audio possibly could push things over 2 GB, though I think another set of cutscenes in Japanese would the problem rather than just the audio itself.
8GB carts exist. They are purchasable from Nintendo of Japan by developers and publishers. We have confirmation of that, which is why it’s in the article. However, yes, nobody has ever used them for a game yet.
Honestly this game has caused so much controversy I just need it to be out already so i can ignore the internet xD however i admit it does kinda suck we wont be able to choose the dub we want but hey, life moves on right?
…. I don’t exactly feel like not having 2 languages is a big deal.
It is when the one you’re stuck with is kinda wonky.
The English dub is kinda 50/50. The good ones are good, but the bad ones are just really bad.
If we can at least hear the game in japanese then I will pay more money for it even if it’s a DLC
i never understand why people prefer jap voices over English. i guess they would rather read text, than listen to people talking while enjoying the artwork in the game.
Okay, first of all, “jap” is a derogatory term. Please refrain from using it when abbreviating Japanese. JP is fine.
To answer your question: the same reason people enjoy foreign films (which are subtitled). The way emphasis on words works between languages is not the same and word choices may imply different subtext, so if you have even a rough understanding of the language, you can sometimes pick up on subtle nuances that the translator didn’t catch or just for better overall understanding of the intended scene tone.
Additionally, some of us in North America can understand the language (even if only partly for some), but the Nintendo 3DS is a region locked device, which would mean being required to buy another whole 3DS (and a more expensive one at that, due to import cost) to play the game with the voices in their original language. Not only that, subtitled games and other media are good practice for those who are learning the language.
Lastly, if you are experienced with subtitled media, your reading speed is likely very fast. Enjoying the artwork is just as much possible while reading subtitles as it is without.
Some people can understand it but can’t read it; kanji is a bitch to learn. There’s also differences in quality and delivery. Regardless, you’re a dumbass troll.
Hey, watch the flaming. Troll or not, it’s not acceptable here.
You’re right, that was inappropriate. Apologies. When people use phrases like I’ll never understand why people “insert: some activity that they don’t do” and then follow it up with inane scenarios why they choose to do so as if they’re the stupid ones, I can’t help but call them out.
Thus the tone of the response I gave him. It was a ridiculous post, yes, but you can’t just devolve into blatant namecalling because of it.
Who is going to be the amazing person to create a FE:6 hack using the beta’s weapon triangle, I’d love to play it that way.
Wouldn’t need to dual audio if the English VO was any good. It was horrible in awakening because the tone of voice didn’t match the situation (Just look at the cutscene where Sumia rescues Chrome) and was flat/emotionless.
“…and might mean that other regions may see it as well.”
Well, just North America and Australia. Europe got this months ago.
Hence, region _s_ 😀
I’ll tweak that though
This is kind of a non issue for me as I’ve never needed voices in the previous FE’s to enjoy them.
But at the same time, man with the voices we’ve got this time, well…
‘WE’VE.
GAHT.
TRAHBEL!’
Awesome! Nintendo is really pushing hard on this series! They are trying to keep it alive the best that they can. I don’t think it will fail to sell now especially after putting Kamui/Corrin in Smash 4!
@Namevah:disqus
NA will get it! Since it sold better there and Japan than anywhere else!
Honestly, I don’t really much care if Fire Emblem Fates has no dual audio, I often play games in english (there are a few exceptions) so it’s no big loss for me.
honestly that’s doe’s it really matters ? i am more piss off that we still don’t now the release date in europe
Is it too much to hope we one day get an eShop release of a translated New Mystery of the Emblem, too? I played through about half the fan translation ROM, but jut got too tired of looking at that tiny screen on my giant iMac.
Try investing in a flash card such as DSTWO. I did that and I can play literally every single Fire Emblem release on it. Super helpful for the Japan-only releases.
I did look into it at one point, but didn’t want to invest the time/money when I was only looking to play New Mystery of the Emblem with it. If I dig into the other Japan-only releases, I’ll check it out again. Thanks for the recommendation.
I played the ROM of it in solely Japanese but I can go full screen on the emulator. What emulator do you use?
DeSmuMe. I can go up to 5x, but it gets pretty blurry so I tend to keep it at the native size.
This wouldn’t be a problem if the dubbing of Fates was on Par with Awakening, except it isn’t.
There’s the obvious Felicia (voice is fine, acting is terrible), but then there’s also some hypocrisy (age up Sakura and Elise to avoid pedophilic implications, but then have no qualms giving Nyx a very childlike voice?).
I’m a huge fan of Nintendo and FE, but some of the decisions being made here just seem- well- idiotic.
Disappointing and is actually putting me off from the game. I just hope they will include a dlc with all the japanese audio,
I was just going to play the English dub anyways so… not a big deal for me. 🙂 Sorry to no dual audio for the people who wanted it though.
Ahh, I really wanted to go but RSVPs all gone 🙁 anyone have an extra rsvp?
May I assume gameplay tips means hints on how to recruit certain characters or get certain special items/weapons?
Was dual audio ever a norm with the Fire Emblem series? Or do people assume one game having it means the rest should have it?
The sample size of fire Emblem games with voice acting at all, prior to this, is exactly one.
Er. The Tellius series.
@MrPerson0 if they include it once, why would you expect them to exclude it the next time? All it does is set people up for disappointment.
I thought about the Tellius series… but I can’t remember any voice acting in those? It’s been a very long time since I played them, though. Do you have a link to a video?
Every animated cutscene had them. I distinctly remember Rolf’s and Mia’s horrifying voices.
https://youtu.be/cUwjrIU9AsE?t=46s
Oh, I see. I must have blocked it out of my memory.
There weren’t very many cutscenes in these games, though, and they came before the time when consumers really started requesting dual audio on a frequent basis.
Honestly, there were likely a variety of technical reasons why it didn’t happen this time, but DLC would be nice. I don’t think they’ll do it, though, especially if the licensing concerns outweighed the size limitations.
Just to make sure, this is saying that only the Japanese versions of Fates will be going on sale when buying extra routes? As in, the NA release that is coming out soon will not get this discount?
Meh. I’m done buying Nintendo of America products; rent or used from now. I still like their games (Nintendo of Japan’s) but I’m tired of paying the localization company full price for half the product.
Half the product is a pretty big stretch isn’t it? Literally all they removed was tapping a screen for an extra minigame. I get having a stance against changes, but let’s not make mountains out of proverbial ant hills here.
Forgive the hyperbole. I’ll give a realistic % next time. When I say half though I meant half the audio (as per the article). Having dual audio was a realistic expectation given the last entry.
And while I don’t personally care about the skinship thing or Soleil at all, I’m getting tired of the cultural sanitizing. I’ve been seeing this happen as long as bars have been cafes in Final Fantasy and Holy was Pearl. It doesn’t affect the gameplay but it’s getting old all the same. I’m jaded with financially supporting it. I can still support the franchise by buying the originals.
Fair enough. I guess I just see so many hyperbolic extreme opinions on the webs these days I can’t exactly tell who’s being serious any more.
I do kind of disagree on the audio bit still though. It was explained pretty thoroughly in this update why it was an issue for this game, and a one game precedent is not enough to make it a series required option. That said I did wish it was there, as the dub quality is iffy, but its not a dealbreaker for me at least.
I do kinda agree with the cultural sanitation thing, but I guess I’m just not too jaded on the whole thing as long as it remains fairly minor. I see it as the trade-off of not just learning Japanese myself. Actually cutting significant gameplay would trigger me though.
It’s a 1st world problem at its core, took decades to reach this point. I’ll still play the games, I just won’t pay for them to assert my disapproval. And as it were, being in the middle of learning Japanese is probably fueling this change since I’m now presented alternatives.
I don’t buy the audio explanation. Space limitation realistically isn’t a concern. More likely coding for it would be too much hassle if they’re cutting and rearranging dialogue so a 1 for 1 swap won’t be possible any more. Perhaps licensing. Either way, nothing is ever required but a precedent is a precedent. Can you imagine the uproar if they didn’t include the MU feature this time?
But yeah. While gameplay > everything, it’d be nice to get a product that wasn’t whitewashed. It’s also rather disrespectful to the source culture in my eyes i.e., this creepy shit might fly in Japan but not here.
I usually only see people wanting Japanese audio when they claim that the English voice acting is bad (which is more often than not a load of pretentious weeb-bias anyway), but that wasn’t the case with Awakening at all. I see no reason to believe NOA would deny Fates the same level of quality control, especially after how much more representation Fire Emblem has gotten in the west after Awakening and Smash 4.
It’s actually non-debatable that more effort goes into the Japanese dub in most cases. They have auditions, directors, record as a group, etc; voice acting is big money. These people are professionals and celebrities. In the West, they call up Johnny, Vic, Yuri, have them phone it in, and call it a day. Your own ‘merca-bias is no less pretentious.
I can’t tell if this is bate or you’re really stupid enough to believe that western voice actors aren’t auditioned or have directors. Don’t argue with a voice actor about what voice acting is like.
You for real dude?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/08/nintendo_treehouse_staffer_talks_localisation_voice_acting_and_playing_non-nintendo_games_for_research
As someone who works in the industry, they do have directors, auditions, and no, they don’t just phone it in. There are voice actors that are frequently recast into similar roles, but they have to audition for those roles just as much as anyone else. The voice actor industry is more competitive and more glamorous in Japan (they are treated like celebrities), but it is also lower paying, not higher. Go check out the union rates for voiceover work if you don’t believe me.
If you’re referring to ISDN or source connect for phoning it in, you are mistaken in thinking this is a lower quality method of recording. Generally when this method is used to record, it’s done by connecting one professional level studio to another; one with the voice director and the other with the actor. While it is true that often character lines are recorded in isolation, loop groups do happen sometimes, but that’s far more common in western animation. ADR is utilized far more often for localization.
The quality of the voiceover work in the US depends highly on the director, the actors, and the budget. Higher budget media gets phenomenal dubs, like Fate Zero, but games often do not have the budget to hire the first rate voice actors. The pool of excellent voice actors is far lower in the US than Japan, and it costs far more to hire the good ones due to acting unions.
Please do your research before making such broad claims.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are useful when you’re not trying to write an essay. I was responding to the notion that it’s mostly pretentious weebs that enjoy JP audio for no legitimate reason. And no, I didn’t mean phone in literally.
I’m aware some have directors and auditions. No idea how many. I also know there’s plenty of in-house dubbing; looking at you FUNimation. I’m also aware the seiyuu business pays crap (mostly inspired to learn this from Shirobako) and they’re paid by rank. The top grade Seiyuu make most of their money through other means using their acquired fame as the catalyst.
While I was being aggressive, I didn’t mean to blanketly suggest that voice acting in the US is necessarily bad, only that our Japanese counterparts have a stronger seiyuu industry and it shows. There’s obviously many phenomenal Western dubbed products: the Final Fantasies, Stella Glow, Shin Megami, etc. Most local games like Naughty Dog’s The Last of Us have amazing voice work. But as a long time consumer, it’s easy to tell when the localization was short changed and irritating when it’s your only option. Contrary to Biaza’s claim, I have more examples of bad dubbing than I can count.
As an aside, I refuse to believe Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Young Bosch are God’s gift to voice acting and that’s why they “win” so many auditions. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t nepotism at play.
Almost everything with voice acting of any sort has a director. They are the ones who choose the actors from the auditions and the ones who give voice direction during recording. Hence, why I said the quality of the dub depends on them; if they are not on the precise wavelength of the original author, catastrophe can occur. While it is their job to do that, some of them try to re-direct the work in a direction other than originally intended for various reasons.
Studios like funimation or ocean group that do every voice recording in-house with their own actors are actually NOT the norm. They do get a lot of titles in the anime realm, though, because their reputation for quality is higher than most.
There is nepotism at play. That is how acting works! Everyone auditions, but unless you have a knockout voice that fits exactly what they wanted and something that gives them a semblance of the idea that you can be directed easily, they are going to go with the safer, known gamble of working with a well known actor that has proven to be very successful in the past. Voice recording is very expensive. They need to know you can give them what they want in a reasonable timeframe, because they are recording you on their dime. Every take costs them more money.
The US scene for voice acting in games and media is progressively getting better, though, but it will take time for it to be taken as seriously in localization as it is in western works.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are not okay, especially when they are ill founded.
I play with the JPN audio on 98% of the time in Awakening- turned it off on chapter 12 and never looked back. I recently finished my first playthrough with the ENG voices on the whole time- overall a very good dub, but still not as good as the original (especially Inigo. Ughhh.) However, I think Fates’ dub is worse than Awakening’s, from what I’ve seen. Most of the voices I can live with (Though somewhat unhappily in Marxander’s case- he sounds like Chrom (Don’t get me wrong, I love Chrom, but Marxander is such a different character that it’s unfitting.) but my biggest problem is Azura’s singing voice vs. Aqua’s. In If, Aqua has a professional VA for her talking voice and a professional singer for her singing voice. In Fates, they got a professional VA to do both voices, so while her talking voice is just as good, her singing is… incredibly inferior.
On that note, does anyone know where I can legally buy Renka’s CD? I want to support her career, but It wasn’t on Itunes last I checked & buying it on Ebay wouldn’t get any money to her.
It’s not really the same though….
No thanks. I played the first one. It was atrocious.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone would want to play Project x Zone 2 after trying the first one. lol
The game definitely overstayed its welcome. It just wasn’t engaging enough to warrant its length.
Dat DRAGON OF DOJIMA, tho…I might buy the sequel when it meets the same fate as its predecessor at retail, i.e., massive price cuts.
Eh, don’t really care.
The first one was repetitive and tedious. And on a personal note, I didn’t like the lack of an English cast.
who care seriously only having one language ? i am more worried about the European release
I guess I can always mute. It’s not like I play Fire Emblem to hear white guys make sexy grunts.
There is a lot more than grunting I’ve found which is why I’ve chosen not to mute.
GAH!! How could I have missed this? Toronto isn’t that far from me, I could have BEEN there. That is incredibly disappointing.
I would do nasty, nasty things for one of them Falchions. 😀
Bought four booster boxes of the first series, ended up at around 250$ with shipping and import fees included. Would love to buy the other ones but the student life is not easy in the monetary department…
Don’t forget that the Sigurd/Xander art is by Rika Suzuki who has been contributing to FE for 20 years!
Makes me ever sadder that this game hasn’t come west.
All I care about is that the mouth flaps synch well enough and the English grammar doesn’t suffer for it. Last time I checked, most dialogue remains in text form anyway, with only the “grunts” and “battle cries” and other canned lines at the ready for accompaniment, with portraits that are static. Unless that’s somehow different this time around, and non-cutscene dialogue gets voiced more, I don’t see it being that big a deal for me.
My actual issue with the game is the setting, but that’s me being a filthy westerner who needs to learn to realize that they’re not trying to say the west is inherently evil or something by making all the western characters be on the “dark” side of conquest. 😛
Absolutely going to be beautiful after the sprites are made.
do i need to reach certain part of the game of the free content or just down right download it?
You need to beat chapter 6 in order to enter in any codes or purchase DLC from within the game’s Dragon Gate.
I’m glad to see Rena feels that way, the life of a voice actor certainly has its troubles… but yes finally the game has come out ~.~
Your welcome! 😀
It is an honor to have a word with the actress of Azura.
GameStop preordered Special Edition won’t get to me until Monday. I had really hoped it would get to me by today, but oh well. What you gonna do?
Ive been playing today and, being honest, i didnt expected much at the beginning, but im glad to say i was wrong, the dubbing its well done!! and Azura’s voice is just so sweet <3 ty for your hard work miss Strober!
Nice, playing the game now and the dub isn’t so bad. Better in than Awakening in fact, which was pretty good, too, for the most part. Still it would be nice to have the CHOICE to change language.
Especially with it comes to the Avatar. The male voices I’m mostly fine with, but I’m split on the voices for the female. Mature one is perfectly fine. Middle one is okay, my only issue with it is that its a little too similar to the mature one. The young one is just…..ugh. Annoying sounding rather than young or cute sounding.
I’m guessing you can’t turn it off completely? ._.
Dubbing songs that were written for a different language is much harder than dubbing normal speaking. Even before considering that, I think Ms. Strober has a wonderful voice, and the dub itself is really very good. It’s awesome that she actually found the thread here! ^.^
I reached chapter 10 and was pleasantly surprised. The dubs are not bad at all! (I’m not a fan of the translated version of the song though, as much as I love Azura’s voice)
Well I’m glad she’s gotten to see some great comments and just not the bad!
I thought she did a very excellent job as Aqua (azura). I was suspicious at first as-well, mostly because of all the fear-mongering on /v/; however was pleasantly surprised. I think Azura’s voice was very well done. While some voices were somewhat lacking… Azura’s was not one of them.
Effie…..
When I first heard her English voice, it took a couple minutes to register because of how insanely different it is from the Japanese version. Is it bad? Not my place to say, but you do get a different impression on her character, and that’s what gets me.
I was admittedly a bit wary of how she was going to do, but that’s moreso because a song going from Japanese to English rarely sounds decent, but I was legitimately impressed.
Nice job, Rena! Though the song has been stuck in my head for awhile now…
So Fates released “universally in North America”! Universally as in the universe. Because North America is the universe. GG to Europe/Australia.
Yeah , i have been following Abdallah because of Fates he is playing on normal classic so not a big challenge but still fun to watch he is a good guy so i advise you to lose some time watching some of his videos , he got Conquest Chapter 6 and Revelation Chapter 6 and his Birthright is 13 or 14 😉
Don’t forget that he also does Yokai Watch and I enjoy that. If he wants a real challenge, Hard/Classic is the way to go.
How can you have fun watching his vids? Like, he’s a really cool guy and all, but he grinded so hard that his characters overpower everything and yet he somehow still plays really bad. Like he’ll be afraid to send his guy against an opponent when he one rounds them and they have like a 30% chance of doing 4 damage. Then he’ll get all upset when he kills an enemy and only gets 1 Exp (like what do you expect after all that grinding).
Again, he seems real cool, but he does a bunch of little things that irritate me. He takes way too long on his turns (when he can literally bum rush everything), he says “essentially” way too much, he constantly compares himself to Silas (who he honestly looks nothing like; and the joke is just overplayed now), he feels himself way too hard over crappy strats (like it’s totally an accomplishment that he was able to beat a certain character during a certain chapter; of course you can when your characters are crazy OP, lol), and I can see how some people enjoy it but I dislike him reading every line of dialogue.
I do feel like a total hater here, especially when I did enjoy watching the first video that I saw from him (I think it was Paralogue 1), but the more I watched, the more I disliked. I definitely wish him the best and he’s obviously doing things right if he’s got fans (fans who love to spoil crap in the YouTube comments), but it’s just not for me.
Also, he’s at Birthright Ch.17, although it was probably 16 when you posted your comment.
But yea, tldr; I’d probably still enjoy watching him if he didn’t grind his characters to super OP levels (or at least not act like he has to worry about his characters getting killed when they’re so OP) and if he didn’t say “essentially” all the time, like literally all the time, lol. Definitely not a bad dude and someone worth supporting.
Edit: Check out this moment from Birthright Ch. 15
https://youtu.be/8Ke18yC6tAA?t=1132
He has a 100% hit rate and will OHKO the enemy, but because the enemy has a 51% chance of dealing 17 damage (less than half his own character’s health), he is afraid of it and performs a bunch of unnecessary actions instead.
Just one example of why I find him frustrating to watch, lol.
everything fate related is fun as long as you are bored as i am xD
Btw Frozenrose try Omegaevolution in youtube from what i read you might like him 😛
I known Abdallah for 3-4 Years, he used to be a very nice guy, he always talked to people,did live streams of Mario Kart 7,Luigis Mansion and Animal Crossing every weekend and even offered his Skype, he did a Fire Emblem Awakening play through and really seemed to enjoy it, his reactions seemed genuine, now he’s become more and more and more greedier with money, he never really talks to anyone on Skype, we all used to have a Skype group chat with many other people, it became extremely fun, I met so many great people (like MegamanNG which also posted a reply) his reactions are very forced and doesn’t even finish Lets plays at all, back then he lets played them through the end, now all he does is play games for a little bit and quits, you can argue that Yo-Kai Watch is still strong and standing but the reason is, is because how many views he gets, compared to other lets play, Yo-Kai watch has many views and likes, Abdallah only cares from getting a profit out of all of this, he grinds has much has possible and a PRIME example is Fire emblem Fates and Fantasy Life, he’s gotten to the point where its boring, He complains about very stupid reason like getting 1 EXP(Frozen Rose’s comment also explains more of this) Abdallah has changed from being someone nice, to a Greedy rude person, I have a friend who helper Abdallah with apotheosis, and its true everything he said, he told me the units he was going to use before Abdallah posted the videos, and he was right, Abdallah never credited him, he helped him so much its very sad he never even once got mentioned, Abdallah ALSO calls himself the “King” of every game, like even his twitter says “Pax-South King” which is very stupid when there are clear better people than him, he makes very stupid plans and always thinks that Blitzing through everything is a “GOOD” strategy, there are many other youtubers who can do a much better job than him. OmegaEvolution,MegamanNG are people I say can far surpass is quality!
Abdallah is an interesting guy to say the least. He’s a nice guy for the most part, but like GamingBrosX714 has said, he has recently changed to the mindset of most other big youtubers. If a series isn’t getting the views he wants, he’ll cancel it. That aside, he is known for completely grinding the difficulty out of any rpg he plays. Awakening was included in this. He justified his grinding by it being in preparation for Apotheosis…
This is no different in Fates. I can guarantee when he starts his Conquest playthrough, he’ll grind the heck out of the DLC there to breeze through that game as well. I personally don’t think it’s much fun to watch a playthrough where someone just steamrolls through everything with no strategy. People would argue against this (himself included), but it’s hard to see why you need much of a strategy after the amount of grinding he does+normal mode.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s still a nice guy, it’s just I wish he at least chose a higher difficulty to compensate if he were to grind this much, but to each their own I guess.
I support Abdallah but I wonder if this means you’ll include other YouTubers as well… like me, MegamanNG. I am also doing Fire Emblem: Fates but it’s more of a non-commentated kind of game.
Oh and Abdallah’s videos are that good. He delivers especially on the commentary side.
The answer is that yes, eventually we will have a way for people to submit their stuff and we’ll include it on the site. We’re figuring out how that’s going to work still.
I know you guys will figure it out. I’ll wait as long as it takes because I want to contribute for the good of all things Fire Emblem… that and since Chrom and Lucina are in Project X Zone 2, I want to add that in too.
I support Abdallah in both his Fire Emblem Fate’s video and Yo-Kai Watch video
Sweet!
Sigurd and Xander both look like they’ve had a little too much to drink. 😀
I’d REALLY like to watch his Fates videos, but I don’t want to get spoiled.
I,m happy to win the special edition
Yay fire emblem fates birthright ☺☺☺☺☺
Does anybody know if people outside the U.S can participate as well?
While I doubt it, you could ask him on twitter or post a comment on the youtube video.
I tweeted him about it and he said that there was no problem. But since the game is US edition your console must be of the american model. I’m from Brazil and the model sold here is the american one. 🙂
https://twitter.com/AbdallahNATION/status/703613828521598976
Ms. Strober, I realize this is a bit late, but thank you for using your beautiful voice for FE: Fates. I’ve really enjoyed the game so far, and the music is great! Not to mention Azuras voice really suits her, it gives her more of a real/loving appeal imo.
Comparing FE4’s map and the unknown world map, it seems that the south east somewhat resembles Verdane with it’s lake dried up. http://s35.photobucket.com/use…
Accesorie sharing its so usefull
Shield sharing is super practical, for farming discounts at stores and resources in general.
It honestly gets so addicting once you get into the swing of hopping between castles. It’s great for boosting supports too without overpowering your characters.
Especially in Conquest, where you don’t even get EXP/WeaponEXP from them. You just get SupportBoosts, so you can actually get kids!
Yea, fully utilizing My Castle is pretty much REQUIRED to 100% Conquest, because you can’t use the world map to support grind like in Birthright and Revelation. You could theoretically use DLC maps to support grind even if you don’t get EXP (excepting Boo Camp), but My Castle also gives you weapon resources and access to Hoshidan weapons and rods (like the super useful Festals).
I can’t wait to see how people use Anna when Anna on the Run hits, because Anna is a fully developed unit (technically on disc DLC in fact) with support conversations and even marriage if I’m not mistaken, unlike the 4 amiibo units. And of course Ballasticians and Witches seem like amazing classes.
well you do get your weapon proficiency up and support up just no XP unless they have weapons equipped and fight back
Bu-bu-bu-bu-but my SE is still coming!! DX (Wait, does this even have a time limit?)
Nah this list will be *forever*
My castle code: 04188-32062-74520-38285
So sad it’s May 20, that’s about a week before my exams start.
Wow, Europe’s SE is a bit better than ours. I guess they’re trying to make up for the delay.
Hey, don’t forget that Japan is getting more DLC maps for Fates/If. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/bfwj/download/map3.html
I was totally waiting for a full-on translation before throwing it up, but you got me :X. Vincent tacked it on for me though!
Wow! 😀
Thought that they were through with making them. But…with so many skills unused it would make sense that we’d get more of these. Now waiting for the translation of them!
Something about an Anna map, children’s story map, Hoshido festival map, and Nohr festival map.
I am really excited about this giveaway I REALLY love this series and I really want to win this Good luck everyone 😉
Don’t forget! March 10 Revelation! Of course, of course… for NA. 😛
If I live in the US but want to buy the EU version of Fates, can I buy an EU 3ds and play the EU fates on it even though I’ll be playing it in the US? Or will it still region lock me? I just want to buy the game with less censorship, and this is the only other option that I can think of (except for a fan patch, but I’d rather support the game by purchasing it).
If you use an EU 3DS to play the EU version of Fates, I’m 99% sure you’ll be just fine.
Oh, less censorship for EU? What did they keep?
It is unknown what is censored in the european version.
We have to wait until the games come out…
At least they don´t officially say anything about censorship/localisation for europe.
So theoretically it could be that nothing will be censored….
Oh, alright, thanks for clarifying! He said he wanted less censorship so I thought there were known differences. ^^
Anyone else who purchased Map Pack 1 seeing the problem that even after they update their Dragons Gate through the Internet, that they’re not seeing Royal Royale? If it was meant to be released post direct like they made it seem, I’m not seeing it at all.
Royal Royale isn’t supposed to release until the 17th I thought.
That’s what it says on the page too, but this article and the Fates direct itself make it out to be released already
Oh no, if you brought map pack 1 then you brought it. Each map releases on a different date which mean you have to go in the start menu and redownload it. The price is just cheaper if you get the pack.
No, I meant the article and direct made it sound like the Map Royal Royale came out two days ago, when in reality in comes out in a little over a week.
Awesome! 😀
Europe is also getting only the Special Edition of the game to make it even better for the longer wait for this inevitable game!
Genbu Ronku will be something to look forward to in June! More to eat our wallets to a game that is going to be subtitled!
Anyone know some store that is already announcing preorder for the special edition in europe?
Is this game also censored?
I don’t want to play a game with a diferent ending than the original.
The ending wasn´t censored in the US Version?
I think…. O_o
It was altered…
Then say me, what was changed? O_o
Apparently they changed the ending so that there aren’t bad endings like character deaths. A
Well, from what I know the only things being censored were the “skinshipping” (aka litterally petting your units to increase support) and the Soleil controversy (where dialogues made it seem like the Avatar “cured” the gayness of a female character to date her, which was removed in the US)
The thing about not having character deaths (or more accurately, respawn on the next turn) is just a mode you’re free to play with or without (enjoy the game as you like ^^) but it’s preset in every version, Japanese, US and EU too…
But I don’t know, I didn’t look for things about the ending, I didn’t want to spoil me the whole plot ^^’
I’m really wanting this version as well. Where do I give them all my money?
Awesome for getting skills. Kinda sucks with the limited Nohr funds, though. The gold grinding DLC can be surprisingly difficult, too- since the enemy spawns are random.
Just out of curiosity- anyone got a Soleil or Velouria with Lunge? I’m offering various skills in mine as well (Beruka with Air Superiority, Azura with Rend Heaven, etc).
Special Edition Placeholder is up on Amazon Germany
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01AK3VGS6
Character Movies.
Hmmm….
Boingy bits in HD!
I can neither confirm nor deny my anticipation for this.
Is this just the Japanese soundtrack or will it have the English tracks as well? (Ex: Azura’s Song with English Lyrics)
Uh, as with any Japanese soundtrack, it’s just the Japanese tracks.
Oh ok thanks I’m hoping for a US one soon.
To be honest, I wouldn’t hold your breath. Games rarely release soundtracks in the west.
Alright thanks maybe I will pick this up then I love the soundtrack regardless.
Wish I could buy this!
You can probably import it, but it’ll leave a 6800 Yen + shipping hole in your wallet!
Where can we preorder this from?
I don’t think it’s up for preorder anywhere quite yet. I didn’t see it on my usual locations for importing. I didn’t check Amazon JP, but you probably can’t import it from there without a mail proxy.
you can get it from amazon.jp without the air thing. now as long as it says sold and shipped from amazon they will ship internationally
CD Japan! They are amazing!
amazon.jp way better than cd japan. you pay less in total
Now the most important question… Will we Europeans have Japanese voice acting? would be really sad if not (especially since I like some seiyuus… :/)
Oh no, I can already feel the pain in my bank account… But I HAVE to get this!
I need this. Also, is there any new on the Live Orchestral DVD? When will that be out?
It should have released on 24th February, assuming there were no delays.
CDJapan has it in stock: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSBI-34
It is out! I got my copy a couple of weeks ago 🙂
Elise and Sakura playing the harp outta be good to play when going to sleep. Better make plans for
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSBI-34
this abysmal stock especially since you cannot buy imports from amazon.jp.
You actually can buy DVDs, CDs, and Books from Amazon.co.jp if you’re an international customer. Just not really anything else. They only have express shipping though, but considering it usually starts at CD Japan’s SAL prices… Regardless, their listing still hasn’t started accepting preorders yet.
You can preorder the Fates OST from CDJapan here: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSZM-49
I got mine on the day of release, I live in Australia! I definitely highly recommend them
Hey just just wanted to share this but i tried looking for a pattern of feed your astral dragon in your castle to see if i coulde get more stats for it and what do you know if found it. instead of giving it a food item for +1 stat for 2 stats this pattern give 5 stats a +1 every time you feed it. this is the pattern i’ve tried Meat,Cabbage,Milk ,Wheat, berry. From what i notice its just like giving proper diet to the dragon. so yeah give it a try and have a nice day
If I hadn’t just blown $200 replacing my stolen 3DS (with a 2DS) and buying Fates (and rebuying Awakening), I’d jump on this. =w=
Yay for no tax! Mwahahahaaa~! Too bad I’m waiting until Spring break though… Like a good student… *sighs*
I’m also hoping some sort of sale pops up.
*makes grabby hands @ libra and elise cards* Are there any FE titles not in Cipher yet btw?
So far, only Gaiden and The Sacred Stones (would make a nice set together). The Elibe cards will start with Series 5 (Binding Blade), while Jugdral starts with Series 6 (Genealogy). From there, you can expect Blazing Sword and Thracia to arrive eventually.
My castle code- 02015-42170-73471-11776
Aaaah, I want these so bad.
92444 Minutes to fates release in Europe so i am waiting but it is always nice to know more content is coming
no point blank scroll as reward?
I wonder why they left the children’s default hair colors, now we won’t know whose parents are except for the fathers!
Hmmm. I have a few more bucks to spend on dlc. Which one which one… Grrr… I really want to get Nohr, but I know that as SOON as i buy the route, it’ll go 50% off or something… *sighs*
Fredrick is slacking on the job…
wonder if anyone will mention that there are FE:Fates badges in the badge arcade for a limited time.
Leo and Subaki are my favorites. X3 So cute! Camilla must have some Deeprealms physics in her. Her boobs are confusing.
Huh, no Elise? That’s surprising. Or did I miss something?
why though
why not though
Really wish Nintendo localized this game. These cards just look really nice, I really want to try the game out.
They look so snazzy and pretty, I want it
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10093-76017
43689-45765
if you want ass me ask for my friend code =)
*Patiently awaits the rekka no ken series*
I love Rekka no Ken so much, I can’t wait for it – do you think it’ll be paired up with Sacred Stones or more Binding Blade?
I can see sacred stones more
Anna has a Halloween costume. Wow…
Series 5 is definitely the best so far.
I pre ordered this on amazon but im debating on whether I should wait to see if it gets an English release because it will have the Japanese singers and while I do like them I do prefer the dub singer what do you think?
If you can afford it, get both. FEA soundtrack sold out super quick and was on eBay for $300+ before they re-released it, so don’t take any chances. If the English one does come out, then perhaps sell it. I’ll probably get both, I reckon they’ll do an English one.
true true
hi guys i was planning on visiting japan next month and was wondering where i can find these packs to buy? id love to collect them
Cruel. XD
All bundles containing the Fates SE sold out within 30 mins… just the console left now
Already sold out… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Please amazon, manage to get these coins as a preorder bonus for all european countries outside of the UK D:
Man. Would love to have these deals in my part of the globe.
The price cuts for everything makes it as much of a steal as the Gen 1 Pokemon games for $10 each.
I’m guessing April Fools joke
No it´s real….
The only joke is Nintendo UK’s incredible timing : P
Aw man!! The UK gets lots of cool stuff with their bundle… As a collector of FE products, this is very depressing…
If you preorder Birthright or Conquest from the Nintendo UK store, you get a free t-shirt as well as a free Fates home screen theme.
Birthright: http://m.store.nintendo.co.uk/games-3ds/fire-emblem-fates-birthright-t-shirt/11265861.html
Conquest: http://m.store.nintendo.co.uk/games-3ds/fire-emblem-fates-conquest-t-shirt/11265856.html
I thought I’d share that.
Wait, is this just for Europe or is this including US? EDIT: And I didn’t read enough. Nvm
The coin is for only UK or for all Europe??? I have seen in other pages that it’s for all Europe but when I reserved my copy they didn’t said me anything of a gift of something. And it’s only a gift they gift you only reserving the special edition and not normal copies??
This book just gives us more and more and more.
I think Mist’s concept art is showing her in her Valkyrie outfit from Path of Radiance. The colors just weren’t finalized at the time.
Easily one of my favorite Fire Emblem games with a US release.
Would love an HD remaster of this and Radiant Dawn.
I second this. And unlike Twilight Princess HD I would happily pay $50 for such a collection.
Just…only as long as they don’t do anything to tamper with the gameplay and try to “Awakenize” the games in a desperate attempt to get more of the new crowd to buy it.
Ugh, no, I think I’d get pretty angry if they did Awakenize my two favourite games of the whole series. Like flashier animations would be a nice addition, but all the extra stuff? No thanks.
Seconding this. I would love the supports to be put back in RD, but I’d also be scared they’d Awakenize that >>
It’s a sad state of affairs when you consider a scenario where the games are remastered and untouched, and you realize that newer fans likely would boycott the game for having no waifus and actual strategy.
Are you implying that Path of Radiance demands more strategic thinking than newer games in the franchise?
I really love Path of Radiance for its characters and story, but the game is probably the easiest FE game together with Sacred Stones, at least in my eyes.
Since I’m European I haven’t had the chance to play Fates yet, so no comments on that. But I’d argue that Awakening as a whole, together with Sacred Stones, is far easier than any other game in the series. PoR doesn’t have much going for it in terms of difficulty compared to the other games, but I was mainly referring to RD when I wrote that.
Either of the Tellius games are still miles better than Awakening, though.
Besides, Radiant Dawn had save scumming where you can save within the chapter and manipulate growth rates as you please.
Small thing about Ike’s section: Sephiran *is* the Duke of Persis, but the wording implies that they were different people.
Mist was going to be a magic lord? Dang it! That sounded like a great idea!
Does anyone know how much money this Will cost?
It says at the end of the article that it is $79.99 in the US as to other countries they have not said yet.
Brb going to get my eyes checked
I’ll skip the LE. Like every other recent Nintendo of Emuricano LE, it costs more than it’s actually worth.
I’ll happily get the game though if my budget allows for it.
A bit nervous about this considering the direction the series is taking.
I pray to Duma that he will banish the waifus.
“WaifuSims #FE!!1”
“Take your favourite #FE characters like Marth and Link and make your own waifu/husbando! Includes dirtydirty mode for the kids! Must pay to win. You will be a big fat loser if you don’t pay for this. NINTENDO! ^_^ “
Mayhap I take the divine Sword of Seals and melt the brainz of whatever clown thought this up?
Gods.
I permit the prompt enactment of the collection and employment of the sacred weapons, holy weapons, divine weapons, regalia weapons and everything else you can think of.
*WEEEE!* I get Forblaze!! 😀
I’d just like to say that Seisen no Keifu was probably one of the best Fire Emblem games ever, period. The marriage-and-children mechanic was a part of this series long before the GBA games. Back when the series was REALLY hardcore. And before you say that’s not waifu sim because there’s no avatar… The avatar is a single character. The majority of characters you’re marrying are still canon-on-canon relationships.
I don’t really see FE4 as a waifu sim, though. The parent/children mechanic was a part of the story and it worked. What I’m satirizing is the notion that the series is moving away from good story (more or less) and more towards matchmaking that doesn’t have any purpose outside of waifu/husbando. As smart phones tend toward popular entertainment and the type of person who “just doesn’t have time to get involved in anything so instead I play Bubbles 23,” I predict that the FE app is going to appeal to a lower common denominator and the most logical manifestation of that is the waifu/husbando sort of stuff.
Now, I could be entirely wrong (HOPE!! I HOPE I’m entirely wrong!!! DX ) but the opportunity was simply too grand for me not to make fun of. And I had to make fun of the peripheral corporate types who just don’t get Fire Emblem.
It’s not wise to joke about such things.
About damn time. Shadow Dragon/New Mystery’s touch control scheme was MADE for mobile platforms. Bunch that up with the GBA engine’s “instant save” option and you instantly have a mobile-intuitive Fire Emblem mobile game.
I’ve been waiting for this for years.
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being pay to win and failing before we ever see a release outside of Japan like the Disgaea mobile game.
Wat.
Well, it’s official, Fire Emblem didn’t forget its roots, it set them on fire and is shitting all over the burned corpse, now it’s just waifus and shit plots
All for that sweet, sweet cash.
You mean the stuff they use to make their games? Don’t they… need that to make more games?
Of course, they also make money on the older games as well, just not in the massive amounts that they so desire (and probably need nowadays due to Wii U’s failure, even though they have so much money in the bank) these days.
I’m pretty sure we don’t know there’ll be “waifus” in this theoretical mobile game. I’d also like to note a couple of things. First, Fates was more emotionally moving than anything I saw in FE7. Second, Fire Emblem was dying. Perhaps it didn’t deserve to, but it was dying. This change of direction made it appealing to a much broader number of people (especially in Japan, where “waifu” culture is practically much intertwined with gamer culture) and saved the franchise. So it’s not such a bad thing, is it?
Fates was a commercial sucsess because they actually marketed it, that’s what almost killed Fire Emblem, bad word of mouth because you had to actually try to beat the game when today’s generation is used to having victory handed to them, and because it doesn’t matter how good your game is, you can’t just silently put it on store shelves and expect sales to come
It was inevitable, considering the way the series has been going lately.
EDIT: “the Fire Emblem app will be designed to be more accessible compared to previous games”
How? What else can they possibly remove to make the game any more accessible? Oh right, the weapons triangle. They can remove that and remove weapon tiers like steel or silver so that characters and the convoy item lists will just consist of “Sword, Sword, Sword, Sword, Lance, Lance, Lance, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”. They remove durability with Fates and added funky effects, they can just remove the weapons triangle and add even more funky effects.
>”Sword, Sword, Sword, Sword, Lance, Lance, Lance, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”
You mean like how it was before? The Fates weapon system is actually one of the new parts that worked IMO. It made me actually consider which weapon I wanted to use instead of just going with the most cost effective Iron or Steel weapon, and never using a legendary until the last like 2 missions. I feel like some people cling to durability too much for nostalgias sake. If it was implemented better than I can see the argument for it, but it was usually more annoyingly restrictive than anything challenging or deep
No, it was never anything like that.
Fate’s weapon system helped to make the game rather boring. I never felt like I needed to change weapons most of the time and I never really bothered to unless accuracy was too low.
And if I had to describe Fate’s weapon system like the above quote, it’d be more like: “Sword, Trash, Trash, Trash, Lance, Trash, Trash, Axe, Trash, Trash, Trash, Probably Useful Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”
Some people might “cling” to durability for nostalgia’s sake but many people also like durability because it adds to the gameplay.
I’m genuinely curious as to what you thought it added to the gameplay. In my experience it just usually meant I could rarely use a low use item until the last like 2 maps in case I needed them. I don’t feel like it allowed you more dynamic solutions or strategies but rather just a sense that using anything other than Iron or Steel for your battles was cost ineffective.
I do think durability would work if implemented correctly though. Like I think FE4’s system was a solid foundation for a durabilty system, where you can reforge broken weapons in castles. But I would keep the variety of effects from Fates though, since I fealt that really added more decisions to which weapon you choose.
I do feel if Durability was to make a return, I am hoping for a Berwick Saga like system where every time you use a weapon, it increases in the chance of breakage in different tiers. So a weapon in the yellow condition has an 4-8% of breaking and a weapon in the darker red has a 50% chance of breaking. Add that with you getting a blacksmith at a certain point of the game to restore weapons, I think it would be an amazing system to use.
Certain weapons have differing tiers for breakage and maintenance. One could pay to repair their weapons post-chapters or use a Hammerne staff or wetting stone to restore uses in battles.
If it’s releasing this year, I doubt it’s a very big game. Maybe something based on Cipher or something.
Im hoping that Kaga is releasing his for android.
I’m just hoping his game will get a translation patch quickly.
That’s the least likely event to happen. I’m learning japanese now and even my instructor has difficulty reading his material. And she reads many japanese authors.
More accessible =/= mobile games. If anything, it makes it LESS accessible. I for one, would not be able to play this, should we ever get it, as I don’t have a phone capable of playing games, and I don’t really want one. Releasing a mobile game for the series will only limit the number of people who will get to play the game, and create a gap in time between consoles releases, both of which will make some people forget about, or lose interest in the series.
Rest In Pieces Nintendo.
> More accessible =/= mobile games.
Perhaps you’re right. I’m actually in the same boat. I do have an iPad, but it’s outdated. In Japan, however, mobile games are a HUGE deal. There are many mobile games with a bigger player base than some of our biggest MMOs here in the English-speaking world. This move was probably more directed at the Japanese audience than anyone. We’re just getting it because Awakening and Fates sold really well. That’d be my guess.
The majority of Android games (and I assume its similar for iOS), even newer ones almost always have an automatic low setting so it shouldn’t be a problem having enough players out there who can play the game.
You have to consider where they are though. They’re a Japanese company, and mobile gaming has basically taken over there.
Besides, you don’t know how many people from Intelligent Systems are working on this. I don’t see this inhibiting future console/handheld games.
There are millions upon MILLIONS of people who have smart devices that are capable of playing games, much much more than the amount of 3DS owners out there, so this actually WILL make the series more accessible to a hell of a lot more people. Especially if Nintendo and DeNa make sure to develop it like most other mobile devs and have the game runnable on devices at least 4 years back.
This. The userbase of smartphones absolutely many times that of handhelds. That is the primary reason Nintendo’s shareholders have been pushing them to bring their IP to smartphones for a number of years, now.
Not too surprising really due to how popular the series has become. Don’t know what to expect from a mobile FE game, but as long as it’s enjoyable it should be fine.
Hm, interesting. I’ll try it out at some point if it’s made for Android~ That being said, do wish it would go back to some of the older roots, even if I do enjoy the new games too.
I love this so much! It contains 134 songs from the first 7 discs, then another 100+ as well as movie file son the data disc. Perfect for a collector and huge fan of the series!
“Prominent gameplay.”
Well I’d sure hope so.
That was quick. And I know it’s North America that’s getting this pack, but I like how we can play the beginning of Heirs of Fate on Children’s Day.
*Mind Blown*
Children’s Day?
As in the Asian holiday that seems exclusive to said countries?
I think the track list is actually incorrect. I have the soundtack here and there are 19 tracks on the 7th disc. The last track on the booklet says it is the ENISHI track. Just wanted to point that out.
I noticed that too (came here for the English translations of the track names)
Not bad considering this page was right for 133 of the other tracks, it’s just missing 1 track on the 7th disc 🙂
It isn’t missing, it is just misplaced. However this post is missing about 100 songs on the bonus DVD in the instrumental and Ver.AC folders.
That is true. I am frankly in awe of how much damn music is in this set!
i’m honestly okay with this. my main worry will be the micro transaction. But other than that, let it happen. It’s not like its gonna kill the franchise
For those saying “Oh mobile games are big in Japan”:
Location has nothing to do with it. Mobile gaming beats the pants off handheld and console gaming, even in America. There are over 120 million mobile game players in the US alone. As an example, compare that to the approximate 36 million PS4s sold /globally/. You could even extrapolate and say that each gamer purchases one of each console at best (which is not true, as many purchase multiple and households often share consoles), and the number of the primary 3 consoles sold (and therefore potential game sales) wouldn’t even breach 100 million globally. There are plenty of references for this across the internet. Do some research.
Mobile gaming is very, VERY profitable, not just because of microtransactions and gimmicks, but because the number of smartphone users so heftily outweigh the number of consoles and games to sell. Smartphones are seen as a necessity by a great number of people, which means you can directly market your mobile game to those people without needing them to buy specific hardware. This is in addition to the general mobile game design, which is designed to make short brief periods of play as optimal as possible, thereby maximizing the amount of play time for each player and the perceived value (enjoyment) the players get out of them. Additionally, there are so many more people that play mobile games and never touch any other form of video game, that it would be stupid to ignore the market.
Nintendo has great IP and shareholders that have been pushing them to take this very profitable IP into a more accessible domain. However, Nintendo’s standards of quality are quite high for new game ventures and platforms, so there’s a very good chance they will scrutinize this game thoroughly before releasing it. It would be wise to wait and see what they are planning to do before panicking saying “they’re ruining the series omg”. Keep in mind that Fire Emblem was, without a doubt, on the brink of dying before Awakening. That has since turned around and Fates has proven to them that FE is a top IP for them. They are trying to keep it popular and profitable through whatever means possible.
Morgan’s birthday AND Fates DLC?
And what about the remaining DLC for it like say the ones that were in Japan: Festival of Bonds.
That’s what I wanna know too. I want my Oboro artwork dammit!
I imagine those will be later, likely due to the immense amount of translating they have to do.
I’d love to work on the podcast
I just don’t live near any of those cities
Don’t worry, location isn’t a requirement : )
This is an awesome idea. Would love to check it out. Keep us updated
Color me interested. I’m not as active on SF as I used to be, but I’m a bit interested in doing something like this.
If not, then I’ll just be over here, enjoying the podcasts themselves. My username on the actual site is Nexas (Garnef atm though for reasons).
Um… I think my interest in applying is based on what sort of podcast this is going to be…
If it’s just talking about Fire Emblem and having fun whist doing it (and applying some of my audio production magic to it), I think I’m down…
If it’s calling Intelligent Systems and Nintendo for exclusive interviews each week whist flying to every Nintendo show and Video Game Con in order to kidnap Fire Emblem related people and/or grab up every remotely Fire Emblem-related piece of memorabilia for reviewing and always ending the show with informing the listener that they will never be a real Fire Emblem fan because he/she didn’t preorder Seisen no Keifu in 1996… *pant*pant*pant* then I don’t think I’m Emblemier (*gag* was that even a thing before Awakening?) enough…
I’m just a simple country Doctor… a college educated filmmaker who abandoned that in order to become a writer because he wanted to capture the spirit he felt in Fire Emblem. I’m not sure if I could produce a big journalistic-flavoured production….
So basically I ask this: What sort of podcast did you have in mind?
I would really love to see him work again.
Even if the game can no longer be under the name Fire Emblem as the Tear Ring Saga games have proven.
As far as we know, Kaga is currently working on Vestaria Saga, which is an indie follow up to his Saga games.
Cannot wait myself.
May be a while till an English patch as well.
Still waiting in vain for the Berwick Saga English patch along with Fire Emblem 5.
Is there a list of the composers in English? I’m not sure if Google Translate is very accurate.
…. This is pretty adorable. XD I wish that rival game makers still did things like this. Sat down and talked about each other’s games. It would probably just turn into a verbal slappy fight though…. ^^
Damn, two creators of two of my favorite franchises meeting each other? That’s a nerdy RPG fan’s dream indeed.
That 10,000 G would’ve been really helpful… XD especially on Nohr side
Is there a deadline? When are you hoping to start the podcast series?
The NA version of fates website has two maps, one of each kingdom. However I the european website lacks that.
Her voice… wow… <3 <3 <3
She does an amazing job with a difficult song. Squeezing english words into a song intended for Japanese words is no small feat.
That she does.
Congratulations. You are now a thread necro.
What a treat! And, as a blind gamer, I’m very tickled to discover Rena’s involvement in raising awareness for two supportive organizations.
I have bought this set and on the DVD there are 2 versions of the cutscene with Sakura and 2 of the one with Elise, but I can not find anything different between the 2. Am I missing Something?
The Onee-san/Onii-san depending of the Avatar’s gender is the only difference i can hear.
Nawww! Thank you Ms. Strober~ I keep loving your voice more and more!
i use azura’s singing voice as MYCASTLE background, soooo soothing and sweet
YOU CAN DO THAT?!
Damn I had the book with his pictures and I didn’t even know it. Not the one above but a more cleaner image of him from Gaiden Guidebook.
Loved it. Tho I do have to say my favorite part is on the nohr path where it changes tempo and rhythm. Sends chills down the spine. But I do love the whole song in great. Thank you so much for your awesome contribution to a wonderful series
I liked it!
So, not only does she have a beautiful voice, but she’s also hot.
just lo let you all know there is way more songs than what’s listed here. for example on the dvd there’s at least 100+ songs there
Since they confirmed which the 5 DLC quests will be does this confirm that there will be no hotspring DLC now?
Wow, first time I’ve seen a picture of Shouzou Kaga.
I spend a lot of my spare time coming up with really focused character and team builds but I never have anyone to share them with or test them with. I’m new here but I’ve been playing Fire Emblem games since I was young and I strongly desire to be see a competitive environment develop not unlike the VGCs of Poke’mon that I used to build teams for. Regardless of what my involvement would look like, the opportunity to chat about builds, strategy, mechanics & interactions with other tacticians with similar interests sets excites me greatly.
I have to say… I *really* don’t like how Shiida looks in this game.
Does anyone know if there are any differences between the US version and the EU one?
I compared the dialogue of the prologue for both versions. I didn’t notice any differences.
Is japanese audio included?
Disc 7 has 19 tracks. What’s the title of the 19th track?
It’s Enishi, the Sakura and Elise duet.
I picked one up for about 80€, then it went out of stock about an hour later. Since it’s weekend I’ll probably get it on Monday… Which sorta comes in conflict with the Overwatch release.
AWWW The multiplayer is region locked,
That means I won’t be able to conscript Vincent into my army
How convenient for me that they bundled my two favorite games into the same card series 😀
Now if only this game were in English…
The art alone is worth getting this for imo. At least that’s what I’m doing, lol.
dem shipping fees tho…
Love that they put SoS and RD together, but ew why does FE4 have to be put together with that Fates drivel?
They both have a castle base at least!
If only I lived in Japan. I just got into Cipher, haven’t played yet still waiting for my decks to arrive.
Wait roy fe fates map sprite and its the only time we have ever seen it could that mean something
Roy is there to promote Series 5 of Fire Emblem Cipher, which has Binding Blade cards.
There is also a Sigurd map sprite to promote Series 6 of Cipher, which has Genealogy of the Holy War cards.
Clearly it means Sigurd’s exceed figure is compatible with Fates. 😛
Or his Smash 5 Amiibo to tie in with the Genealogy remake XD
It’s a ghost!
Daw, I really love Henry. Them feels though.
If you need someone to help out, then I can probably contribute in some way. I have emblem 6 (Fuuin no Tsurugi) – Fates and I collect fire emblem cipher cards. I’ve been playing since I was a kid. I can talk about strategy, competitive, ideas, story, etc.
There are definitely some Jugdral feelings. The leader of the dragon/wyvern knights at 4:08 looks remarkably like Arion.
Exactly my thoughts, this looks legit as hell. I’d rather pay full price for this than the mess that was Awakening.
Awakening wasn’t a “mess” you just didn’t like it, after all its only a vocal minority of people that disliked Awakening, while the people that did among older FE fans stayed quite, the new FE fans Awakening attracted were quite vocal. I’ve played every FE game that NoA has actually brought west and I’ve enjoyed them all.
Eh… it kinda was a mess though. A fun mess, an excellent example of how a perfectly balanced game is not needed to have a grand old time, but a mess nonetheless.
It also was missing a lot of the complex map objectives that make up the more memorable Fire Emblem missions. The only one I can really remember from Awakening was Tikki’s recruitment mission
Can’t wait! Hope English translators can make a patch soon!
Though, are they using vocaloids for the music? O__O
http://zeeksweb.blog120.fc2.com/blog-entry-104.html
Read the last three questions.
You can really tell he didn’t have a budget for this. Maybe it’s time for him to just bow out gracefully.
The man’s doing it for fun and self-satisfaction, not for profits or even other peoples’ satisfaction. So he’s got nothing to lose and nobody to win over.
The fact some fans can enjoy another of his works in this day and age, even with zero budget, is a mega bonus : )
I understand that, but the fact that he’s hanging on to his FE legacy after so long makes him seem pitiful. He’s like the guy who had his 15 minutes of fame and won’t let go.
To be honest, I am more excited for this game than Fates even.
Well heaven forbid he hold on to some semblance of the franchise he created.
He gave up that right when he chose to leave IS. As an independent contractor he’s free to make whatever kind of game he can imagine, but instead he continues to double down on the same thing he’s been making for 25+ years. At least when Sakurai left HAL he created something new rather than just make a Kirby or Smash clone.
Considering the direction the new games are going, can you blame the guy?
If by more popular and mainstream than ever, yes I can. Kaga is sore loser who can’t deal with the fact that Fire Emblem is a success, and he’s a footnote at best.
The gameplay feels much too casual added with no permadeath is even an option. More popular does not equal quality.
Really, all you have been doing in these comments is trying to make flame posts basically pulling every disrespecting piece of defamation just to talk ill of the guy. If you actually had some real criticism instead of flaming in the comments section, you would not be close to banning.
here here, I’d refrain from banning the poor guy. I’d like to see one flamer actually make a good point from their hate. It can’t be done.
footnotes are the most luxurious part of the book, they are the meat and bones of any success story, Awakening was to be Nintendo’s last if not a major success. It was a hot mess still with a mixture of old ideas. Kaga is a giant more than the entire company. So i give him credit despite his fine and legal oppression. Popularity does not mean quality, nor respect. Pokemon has unending shows and merchandise pumped, but where is the quality?
Another point, Kaga’s material is only official in Japan, while FE releases world-wide after and Nintendo could still not make the same numbers at home. They were on a decline.
He didn’t give up anything and fame is not his motive. He just wants to do what he loves. Nintendo is about fame money and rights. Kaga clearly points, if he had been fired for any choice he made, he would make his death bed then live without creating. Under Hiroshi Yamauchi, there was much sacrifice in his tenure. Gunpei Yokoi at least gave him the ability and space to get everything in possible.
I doubt kaga could have predicted how the series was going to go. He made a new game and was planning a sequel while Nintendo was scrambling to make a meager Fuuin no Tsuruji. I doubt the man could draw off the series. I don’t see any evidence of any FE features input from 6-13 in the past 15 years.
Gunpei Yokoi…..wasn’t he the guy who made the Gameboy?
Yup, Yokoi was essential in dealing with Yamauchi, otherwise Kaga would have left sooner.
…maybe he just likes fantasy and SRPGs?
This looks pretty goddamn awesome, but I fear SRPG Studio’s performance issues is gonna hinder the game big time. Hopefully by the time its out someone improved either the engine or the game.
That poor Wyvern Knight’s spear flip looks so badass and bad at 12 FPS…
Is that Hatsune Miku singing the theme?
It’s definitely vocaloid music.
The battle animations, I think, need to be fleshed out a little more, but it definitely looks like the right mix of new and old RPG aesthetic style. I hope the battle mechanics are on par, too. It was a little jarring to hear vocaloid music though, lol.
I remember him saying that he was least interested in boasting graphics. That was my turnoff as well but once i seen the first trailer all negatives were buried.
Well not being made for profit its easier to use a Vocaloid for a team of 15 than it is to hire a singer, as one of them might already own the program.
to be honest, i don’t think it looks particularly good… visually it’s pretty ugly and the level design seems cluttered and messy… but i mean it’s not out yet so who knows, i’m still looking forward to it. hopefully i can still read it with my limited understanding of kanji
Kaga being an author and all, uses thick, deep, and very uncommon highly proficient Kanji. Like an english professor using big words. The writers Masaki Kajishima and Naoko Hasegawa are the same in respect.
I could not get through awakening. It felt like chore. They still didn’t change the formula in iF, but at least there is some new dynamics between each chapter like in Radiant dawn.
Nyna looks just like Deidre lol.
Looks pretty good, like an old FE game.
Ugh, not fond of the music at all. In general, I’m not really feeling this. But then again, I’m not as much of a Kaga admirer as some others are. The only Kaga-FE I consider outstanding is probably Seisen no Keifu.
But I’m still interested in trying this out, so hopefully someone will work on an english patch.
I was not a Kaga fan at all at first, but now I cant resist anything he touches. For instance, TearRing Saga, suffered from the gameplay soundbits, but the actual soundtrack he produced was almost full ochestral thus making it ear soothing. It was very hard for me to try out pre FE7 music from Tsujiyoko, but I think she was as good then as ever despite the chiptune noise.
what is software going to run on? Mobile, Computer?
Really I liked every musical track in this trailer, I find them all to be enjoyable.
I wonder if theres any way to update the game without heading to the ingame store. Feels wierd having to use the store in order to play dlc I’ve already bought.
Just sent an email 🙂
Do your best! 🙂
I’d be lying if I said I don’t have any expectations, but at least I’m glad (I hope lmao) he’s having fun with his creation and is proud of it? After all no one is forcing him to make it different than he wants it to be, and I’d rather play a little game made with heart rather than a big, flashy game made by a studio that only wants $$$ out of it…
Cotton candy made by a professional craftsmaker is still cotton candy, but it’s also still made by a professional 😀
I think it would be cool if Kaga would release these games internationally with translations too, these games are fun, but it’s hard for players with little to no japanese knowledge.
That Lilina artwork looks bad. I don’t like how inconsistent the artworks of these cards are.
Glad that Kaga san is enjoying himself. It will be great if the fans can set up a donation campaign or something in which I will definitely donate myself, though i guess Kaga himself might not endorse such act as judging from his tone he will likely think this could change the nature of his project a bit?
I like Kaga’s humble analogy. He is pouring a lot of sugar into this cotton candy, and I’m sure there is some crunchy spots. I’m hoping to get diabetes from this delicious treat. what is the email people are using to send him emails? Is it the zeek info one on the blog?
I figured it was Saitoh behind the music. It was too reminiscent. Though, it is likely there are other musicians, and I’m hoping Yuka did some part of it. I know Minako Seki was probably busy.
These brief short Q/A felt like a 9 year old kid was trying to get the beans out of him. Kaga answered like he was speaking to a child.
Character sidequests is possibly the best fun feature i could never dream of. Following the lives of a particular character without having to drag the entire army is definitely like in real war. Hopefully, thats the way it is in the game.
Has there been an official soundtrack release for an indie game before?
Undertale had one.
http://blog-imgs-91-origin.fc2.com/z/e/e/zeeksweb/aa.jpg
Why does it look like the Black Knight at the bottom and the character above is from the extra artwork the blog from 5 years ago.
Kaga must have confirmed some information to his fans via email. Unless the questioner pressed his luck by just stating it was HIroto. Like if we were to ask Speilberg when can we expect your new films soundtrack from Williams…?
GOD IS REAL
Welp, thats a must have for me <3 hopefully i can get my hands on it! Tellius saga was my favorites!
Awesome. I want it. Coincidentally, I’m replaying PoR right now, too.
“At first, “Holy War” was going to be a squad based game as mentioned before. But, as development went on, the GAME DESIGNER highly recommended we make a romance game (that was popular in those days). And so… […] It fit perfectly. (Laughs). He also loved Horse Racing… […] Because of that, we suddenly decided during development, “Let’s add a romance and inheritance aspect to this!” (laughs). Everyone was like, “Whaaaat?!” at the announcement of sudden change. (laughs).”
Definitely he is not Shouzo Kaga :v
INSTA-BUY
Why do these books always only get released in Japan?
From what I gathered, Seisen no Keifu is also on its way to the Japanese New 3DS eShop. Whether or not it will be released alongside this however, I have no idea. Any Wednesday now…
Wow….this is quite enlightening. Fascinating to know that at one point they considered moving away from the typical Fire Emblem name.
“with their announcement today of the unexpected release of the Super Famicom’s Fire Emblem Mystery of the Emblem on Wii U.”
Isn’t it on the 3DS?
It is indeed on the 3DS.
New 3DS exclusive, in fact.
Furthermore, it was announced a week ago on the eShop, so not quite as unexpected as one would think.
HECTOR!!!!!!!!!!!
I think they’re doing that so it could launch quicker, so that way US and EUR can be on the same schedule for DLC.
Maybe that festival DLC will have the same launch date for both regions
I can’t believe it!!!!Today is finally coming out!!!I am definately going to buy it!!!!I AM SO EXCITED!!!
Awwww, I wanted to participate. To bad. :/
I wanted to make a joke about why this is UK only and not for EU people, but i guess it will be really bad joke, right?
Not sure why English speaking people from Europe and Australia are exempt despite the fact that they can still play the game due to technically being in the same region (PAL games or whatever)
Sorry, the promoter is Nintendo UK, hence why it’s restricted to the UK. I’d love to include more people if I could, but my connections don’t go that far yet : )
No worries, and thanks for replying
I’m so excited! 😀 😀 😀 I hope it sells well!
That looks bloody amazing! I sure hope they’ll be an English copy soon!
Autumn 2016 in what region? In which months the release date for the RD artbook could be? Thanks! I want to buy both Tellius artbooks together. This is a dream coming true for me. Now that we also have the OST, all that’s left is a remastered 1080p collection of the two games for the NX or Wii U. But since Zelda TP is the only remaster Nintendo ever made for a home console, this is very unlikely to happen. Also, an Elincia or Black Knight figurine would make me cry. The best two games in the series for me.
Both art books are Japan-only right now, so Autumn 2016 in Japan.
I’m afraid I can’t pinpoint the release months, but my gut feeling tells me October to December.
It’s very concerning that they call Kita the character designer, when Taeko Kaneda was very clear that other staff did the designs.
Good catch! I fixed the translation up a bit. I missed the “trator” in “illustrator”, and so fixed it to better reflect “the one who drew the character designs” (aka, “character artist”)
No worries, poor Taeko Kaneda wasn’t swept aside! xD
No worries.
https://twitter.com/nindori/status/750981407443329024
Vincent, what about this?
So, this is more similar to the “Making of” book? Lot of text and some pictures? Oh… I wanted to buy it, but if this have more text than picture, then I will pass since I don’t know japanese, but I hope someone share the important info!
Did they really put “the designer” in the original text, because Nintendo would sink so low not to mention who. I have the books and was looking through, and could tell that they were keen not to put his name even when it was necessary. They rather chose to put some guy who was working with us. We don’t here from the other director either?
Kaga was Sued because seems TRS did have some assets where made at nintendo..so yeah he is unpersoned forever.
Any word on pre-orders for figma Corrin? Been hoping they would make a figma at some point?
It will probably be awhile, and there will be a few opportunities. Goodsmile’s site will have it on sale for preorder for a certain period, and then other sellers will get them after that. Or at least, that’s been my experience with figmas, anyways.
Yeah, your probably right. Pre-ordered Lucina on AmiAmi after the original Good Smile window.
Just been really hype for this one because I really like Kamui’s design. Hope it has Omega Yato ^^
I feel the same! I’m hoping to get my hands on that Camilla scale as well, I loved both characters. And I’m sure it will have the Omega Yato, and maybe even another form as well! You never really know what you’ll be getting with a figma, just that it’s cool!
I want them and then I want to open a figure museum in my house.
So apparently there’s something wrong with me.
That or you’re one of the chosen few.
Can’t wait for this. So far it seems to be the exact opposite of Awakening and Fates, which can only be a good thing.
You can say that again.
Hahaha! I guess so. Anyway sounds really interesting.
I don’t know if you know about it, but this game has the Kaga-like Easy Mode xD (Aka: Pretty much the same but with Elite)
I’ll definitely play this once it’s in english!
I’m surprised that Mikoto, Flora, and Charlotte are appearing in the drama cds while none of the royal sisters are even mentioned at all. Especially Camilla and Elise since they were placed pretty high in the popularity polls too.
Yeah, I found the latter weird. Perhaps there were scheduling conflicts? From the sound of things, there probably won’t be any more CDs after this (since they already offered the complete box).
It will depends entirely on sales, as always. If it sell well I suppose there will be another CD or Set for Revelations b/c this is mostly Conquest/Birthright.
Where could you buy or pre order this?
*after zooming in on the low-res pics of the other character’s official art* Well I’m surprised Niles doesn’t have a more….sadistic looking pose? Plus it looks like we’re going to be getting some side-butt from Odin (freaking Zero in the way) and he has some pretty good legs there. I’m a thigh and ass-man and proud of it.
Let’s hope this will be just like the good Fire Emblem games we used to love.
You know, the ones before awakening and fakes.
Aye! When the lords were lords and the side characters were 3D individuals… Except FE1 had a problem with that. Bullocks.
Interesting that Camilla is being distributed by Intelligent Systems, rather than empty which did Chrom. Perhaps IS wants to make their own figure line?
The way the difficulty will be done or at least how it is described is my personal experience from playing Blazing Sword for the first time and how many of the beginner’s traps I fell for. Would like to see how this game plays out since it is going for a more hardcore and niche fanbase.
I trust Kaga to pull through and make a quality game.
I really have more faith in him than people do for Inafune at the moment. 😛
Oh, this is so cool, I want this so bad. I hope it gets translated.
Vincent and me will be on the job! Well, maybe not the whole book, but we’ll do what we can. xD
Excellent!
Oh I really hope we can find out the character ages! I don’t know why but that would massively interest me, so I really hope that information becomes easily available.
I’ll be sure to prioritize listing that first then, shouldn’t be too hard to do if they’re there : )
That’s so nice of you! 🙂
Thank you for even agreeing to show screenshots at all, yet alone translating them. It sounds like we can find out all sorts of amazing things, and we all appreciate it 🙂
No problem! I love to help out on things like this. I made a thread on the forums too where you can keep track of info (did the ages earlier, too!)
https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=65501
Thank you for the link!
And oh wow, I didn’t realise you were the kantopia blog, I’ve seen many translations thanks to you so that’s really awesome 🙂
Thank you so much for the translations, oh wow the ages are really cool! I can’t believe how right/wrong I were with some, haha. Thanks again for all the work ^^
They’re doing a Laguz lifespan table? I can’t wait to see how Laguz and Beorc ages compare!
Yup, seems like it. By the way, they provided rough lifespans several years ago on the official Radiant Dawn background website.
“The Beast tribes have 5~6x the average Beorc lifespan, while for the Hawk and Raven tribes it is 10x. Herons live up to 1000 years and Dragons up to 2000 years.”
I’m interested in whatever these books show 😀
Can you download this with a non-Japanese phone? Or will it be on a game system?
I’m excited. Can’t wait to watch a playthrough or play it myself. Reminds me of the older entries in the series, so I’m anticipating.
I need to rob a bank and get them all
Really nice, I want one!
Yes! So happy!
well, there goes my wallet
So cute…
will this come to europe eventually?
I’m totally geeking out over this XD
I like seeing unused stuff like this. That blue haired Stefan, the blue dress on Elincia, younger Calil, and the older Sanaki.
I also like how you have Ike fighting Elinica. Pure gold right there.
I can’t believe Ike fucking killed Elincia
I’d preorder it again, but the last time I did that with the N Nendoroid, the shipping cost twice as much as the thing itself. I’ll just wait and see if a certain bookstore near me stocks it…
Um… I’m still searching for Sheeda…
Celica is also on the Heroes theme, she’s right between Alm and FE3 Marth.
Silly me, you’re right. The main thing I was trying to point out was Eirika’s absence since she’s just as important as Lyn (and Celica).
I wonder when and if the Corrin Amiibo is coming
I’d love to see some of these details in the main Fire Emblem games, especially the weapon variety.
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Naming your continent after a cheap Intel Processor… is STILL way better than not bothering to name the continent at all! Intelligent Systems, take note. Like really, Intel… Intelligent, they’re obviously speaking to you. Hehehe…
I…I didn’t even realize that Fate’s continent didn’t have a name. Of course I can barely care enough about the game to boot it up to play and my general feelings for the game are all negative, but still I would’ve remembered the name of the continent if it freaking had one. Can’t believe I didn’t notice.
Instead of a continent, we get two warring kingdoms, a “hidden” kingdom, and a bunch of random-ass, pointless smaller countries that no one cares about or even remembers.
What other nations?
Some people are taking that to mean Fates takes place on Ancient Valentia and they just didn’t wanna come out and say it
Also, Square-Enix too. No, “Planet” is not an acceptable name for your planet!
the Name of the continent is Cellulon, not celeron lmaooooo.
Can you download this and play on a non-Japanese PC?
Probably yeah, but you’ll need the usual settings to play japanese games (i.e. applocale)
Well then, looks like Fire Emblem has an equivalent to Mighty No 9, now let’s just hope it actually works!
They’re reprinting Marth in New Zealand!? Those lucky bastards!
I really hope this will become the Fire Emblem we’ve been waiting for since 2010.
Does look promising so far. I kinda get FE vibes from it, something the disgraceful new games could only dream of.
English ver?
Genealogy is still Japan-only… >_<
“Zeid’s elder sister”
“She married Lytton instead of Zeid’s mother.”
Kaga is starting to get over his habits, at long last
What habit? Incest pooling?
Can we at least not use the name Erin? It’s not at all official and shouldn’t be used in a news thread just because a fan patch used it.
They might aswell delay the game to oblivion, I don’t see anything good coming from it.
Me neither. But hey, it can’t possibly be worse than the recent games in the series, right?
Right?
🙁
Ahahahahah…..*cries*
I fear the worst considering Intelligent System’s now lousy creative division.
Intelligent Systems aren’t developing this, so be happy I guess?
…Ignoring Fates’ gameplay. Seriously? Yeah, the story sucks, and the characters are hit-or-miss, but the gameplay is pretty freaking good and blows Awakening out of the water. That’s why I invested over 100 hours into it- because I liked the gameplay.
I know asking someone who calls themselves an elitist in their profile to use logical thinking and not accentuate the negative is pretty freaking stupid, but so am I sometimes.
In all honesty, not much is needed in order to surpass Awakening. Hell, I’d even argue that Shadow Dragon is the game I had the more fun with of those two.
I only played Nohr since Hoshido looks just about as shite as Awakening, but even disregarding all the pandering to waifufags I’ll be damned if the gameplay couldn’t have been better. Why are there a million different skills you have to keep track of? It was always better when classes had either one or no skills, which didn’t require me to spend ten minutes checking every enemy on the map to see if an anomaly could be found and leaving it safe to move. Where is the rescue command? I’m not able to rescue chain anymore, which is partly impossible already because of the exclusive absence of canto. The pair up mechanic is slightly more balanced with the tweaks and the fact that enemies can use it too, but I still think it’s inferior to rescue since it protects one unit and buffs another without any real drawbacks. The whole ‘join-in-to-attack-while-standing-next-to-each-other’-thing is pretty dumb as well, though I suppose it’s one of those things you just have to get used to. Why is it still possible to grind on higher difficulties? Why is it still so simple to promote units? Why was weapon durability removed? Why was the weapon triangle reworked? Why are strategic elements from previous games completely omitted?
The fact that Fates reversed some of the terrible things Awakening did doesn’t make it an amazing game.
There are different strategic elements in play. Yeah, you can’t rescue chain- but you can do similar things with pair-up. And there’s an obvious drawback to pair up- it’s nowhere near as broken as in Awakening, meaning you actually have to decide whether to go for damage or pair-up for defense.
The skills offer greater differentiation for classes and units.
It’s been this simple to promote units in the majority of titles- heck, the localized version of the Radiant Duelogy made it even easier by units auto-promoting at level 20. But apparently not having class-unique promotion items is a flaw?
Weapon durability was removed because they wanted to try something different with weapon effects. The new weapon triangle is due to magic and bows being oddities outside of it in the past.
You’re complaining about older elements not returning and criticizing newer ones for seemingly no reason other than them being new- despite there being more opportunities for strategical depth in them.
There are plenty of things I don’t like about Fates, but there are plenty of things I do like about it as well- and if you want to keep nitpicking things because they’re not exactly like they were in the past, I’ll just call you out and defend the things that I feel are worth defending.
Most of my questions were rhetorical, I do know the ‘reasoning’ behind stuff changing, though that doesn’t mean it’s nitpicking on my part. Seriously, am I in the wrong for being vocal about my favourite game series changing? That certain elements I used to enjoy now are gone or replaced by something else? I may be conservative by nature, but hell if I’m not enjoying FE turning into a generic JRPG, and there is no way I’ll agree that changing so much of an established formula is the way to go.
Not having class-unique promotion items is indeed a flaw. Take FE7 for example. You get a lot of units in this game, which means that you obviously can’t use them all. That’s why you go for a smaller group that you want to use, but you also need to make sure that they all get experience and promotion items, so you have to favor certain units over others. So you used both Oswin and Sain, but you know there is a distance between the first Knight’s Crest and the second one, and you have to decide who to give more kills. This simple concept of smaller rivalries between characters changes how you tackle chapters. Shit, when you can grind endlessly and get them both to 20 anyway it doesn’t really matter. Everyone using the same item to promote means you can just stock up on a few and promote whenever you’d want without really thinking about it. In PoR and RD you got BEXP as another resource to manage which meant you had to play as efficiently as possible, which also changed how you tackled chapters. I’m not saying this is a flaw exclusive to Fates, but it could’ve been better dealt with.
I’m confused however. Your tone implies you have played older FE games, or at least the Tellius games. If that’s the case, how could you possibly argue for Fates being so good? You’re saying that I’m writing off newer elements and talking in favour of older ones, but surely, since I have actually played every single game in the series (bar Gaiden, at least to a certain point), wouldn’t it be me who can objectively say that the gameplay in Fates is not the best in the series? Or maybe I’m actually too biased?!
Keep in mind however that something new isn’t necessarily better. To me it’s more of a headache than a fun experience to consider pair up and skills when in the midst of combat. I can see why people starting with Awakening/Fates would find it fun though.
But what do I know.
I never said it was the best in the series- you’re putting words in my mouth. Having played every localized title, I’d place Fates dead center- better than Awakening and FE8, about on-par with RD and FE7, with PoR and SD as my top two.
The problem is there’s no “objectivity” to things- it’s 100% your opinion. The metric of objectivity is being misused here for something subjective.
It’s an objective fact that living creatures need nourishment to survive. It’s not an objective fact that Toyota is better than Ford. Your specific definition of Fire Emblem is not shared- nor is anyone else’s, for that matter.
For example- you obviously put a crapton of stock into unique promotion items. Having been fairly active within the fandom, you’re the first person I’ve seen who’s said that.
You’re acting like fans of the older games can’t enjoy the older ones, and are asking for respect well simultaneously self-labeling as an elitist and putting words in my mouth.
Well, I have nothing else to argue for regarding that then. The fact that you praised the gameplay so much made me assume it was your favourite game.
Yeah, that’s the thing though. I have absolutely no qualms about you enjoying this and that, but I’m confused as to how that is possible, seeing as we’ve shared the same experiences and therefore should be able to relate to a certain extent. Either that or we play the games for different reasons, which would be very likely seeing how you ranked the games. From a gameplay perspective I’d say that FE4/5/6/12 + RD are all better than Fates. They all have some of the richest strategy the series has to offer. I’d recommend you to dive into the emulation scene and play those with translation patches. Maybe you could understand me better then.
But man, loosen up a bit. I never asked for any respect either; what good would getting that from a stranger online do? I mean you seem pretty clever too, unlike other deluded people who think Awakening is gods gift to mankind.
Every game in the series has it’s own merits and issues- FE7 and RD both have stories that have almost as many issues as Fates, for instance.
I’m gameplay first- SD was my first game, thus I really appreciated it’s back-to-the-basics design and minimalistic feel. Path of Radiance I’d say is the pinnacle of 2nd Era FE (1st being Kaga, 3rd being NME onward)- that said, it’s pretty generic, overplays the fantasy racism, and Ike has Stu qualities that nobody seems to call out anymore.
I’ve read a lot of critiques of the Judgral games, and spoiled myself there- FE4 could be cynically described as so much Shakespearean melodrama, and it has major balancing issues of it’s own. FE5, while being probably the most solid in the series from a written standpoint, seems to be pretty much hell the first time through without a walkthrough.
FE12 started all the player pandering issues, and FE6 is Dark Dragon 2.0.
You’re being way too judgmental- you say you have no problem with me enjoying Fates, yet state that those who like Awakening are deluded. Yeah, I came onto you hard at first, but I also think you could loosen up a bit yourself.
I understand where you’re coming from- I myself was incredibly cynical and negative during the period between Awakening’s and Fates’ localized releases. I just got over it and ended up enjoying Fates quite a bit- it has it’s issues, but I’d still say it’s a good game. Not a “Great” game, but definitely a good one.
Hold on now. Granted, the story in RD is not as great as PoR, but it’s definitely intricate and I’d say it’s better than Fates and miles ahead of Awakening. People argue that it’s full of plotholes while in reality that really isn’t the case.
And yea, while story is important it won’t ruin the game for me. The story in SS was subpar but that’s not what I’m going to look at when talking about SS. On the other hand PoR and RD was made infinitely better not only due to the compelling gameplay, but because of the interesting story which included characters that felt like they actually had stakes in the conflicts that were going on. People can talk all they want about how the characters in Awakening and Fates are better because they are oh so quirky and have tons of dialogue, even though in the end it feels like the supports came right off the factory conveyor belt since each character has to get hitched with every member of the opposing sex.
Regarding FE6 it’s important to look at how the game came to be and during which time. It was the first game in a new generation of FE, on a whole new platform which not everyone played on, unlike their famicoms. It was also the first game without Kaga on the team (speaking of him, you should try out vestaria saga). There were so much potential for the game to flop, but it played amazingly and allowed two more games to build upon the same engine. There is a lot of content too, and most chapters are quite different from each other which strengthened the gameplay. Of course, the branching paths in Ilia and Sacae was fun too and made it feel like the players choice actually mattered. It was also here that supports arrived. For all it’s worth, I feel as if FE6 doesn’t get the respect it deserves.
The 3-5 star HMs in SD are absolute cancer, just like in Awakening. That’s my biggest critique and broke the whole game for me since I don’t play on the easier difficulties. But dude, before basing your arguments on what other people say, I’d still recommend you to play both FE4/5 so you can form your own opinions on them. The best game in the series is also the one that sold the least, Thracia 776. It’s unbelievably dense and not easy at all, which for a lot of fans is exactly what a FE game should be, mainstream appeal be damned. Same thing with SMnN, you say it began the pandering while in reality it is nothing like either Awakening or Fates, it only looks like SD but is far superior to that game too (but I see what you’re trying to say). Sadly, a lot of people see FE stacked against Nintendo’s strongest IP’s and think it’s worse since it sells less and doesn’t have as much mainstream appeal. But damn, considering that it took until 2008 to finally release a dud game, I think it just goes to show how strong the series is.
Yes, that is because while Fates is at least bearable, Awakening is not and is for me one of the low-points in the series. I seriously despise the direction the series is heading towards and I fully expect the gameplay to eventually come second to everything else. My dream would to get something akin to the Jugdral games or the GBA games again, not only because I prefer the art in those games but also because I find the gameplay to be much tighter and more interesting than both Awakening and Fates. Since you said you prefer gameplay and enjoyed the minimalistic aspect of SD you really have no excuse not to try at least one of the games I recommended previously. I can assure you it’s far more fun than micro managing dozens of annoying skills.
(had a rough week at work, sorry for not responding earlier)
I have a large backlog + life. I have plenty of excuse not to dive into the legal grey area of emulation.
And skill micromanaging is no worse than inventory management, and while I find the latter enjoyable the former adds some genuine depth to things.
I’ve done pretty much everything but play the Judgral games- I obsessed over them.
You want to know where I first heard the gameplay criticisms of Thracia? An FE fan who had been with the series since Elementary school age and had played every single game in the series besides FE1 and Gaiden- with Thracia being the only one he hadn’t played multiple times.
Radiant Dawn.. oh, RD.
Blood Pacts are just so freaking arbitrary and serve to just railroad the plot. The whole Ashera stuff could’ve been foreshadowed a hell of a lot better.
And then there’s Ike- an already borderline Gary-Stu turned into a pureblooded one that usurped one of the most promising lords the series ever had.
It’s like FE7- sure, it’s “complex”, but there’s fluff over top of major underlying issues.
Vestaria Saga looks like the SNES FE that never was- it’s purely old fashioned. I ideally want a mix of old and new. I have even less of a reason to prioritize it due to a lack of a translation.
Honestly, your rampant usage of hyperbole (“pure cancer”? Seriously?) and willingness to label people while openly proclaiming yourself as an elitist just makes things feel uncomfortable.
Tatsumi Kimishima straight-up said FE is now a major IP- plus, I never saw anybody claim that the series “isn’t good” because it wasn’t a top seller.
Honestly, I don’t feel like continuing this anymore- we have different opinions, good day.
Just FYI, they explicitly said that for Mario you only have to pay once. The in-app purchases tag is displayed on nearly every app that may ever have a need of it and is set up to support it. So, in all likelihood, that’s there to potentially support an expansion later on down the road, like new levels and whatnot.
So this game’s delayed in favor of Super Mario run……swell.
hey I’m trying to sign up on the forums, but never received the validation email. what’s up with that?
Um Beatrice’s profile might be a mistranslation. I think it was supposed to mean that she acted as Zeid’s mother figure before she got married to Lytton.
Full translation, please.
Thanks Vincent! Extremely helpful!
Any chance of an actual English version?
I figured most of the commands out myself, but what I really would need is a full skill-list 🙁
Fun stuff, although I’m not sure the fanart picture needed to be that big for a front page news. It’s rather obtrusive and could use a good crop or resize.
Is there anywhere specifically that says who are the artists that worked in the project? Lazy to find it, and I see like 3 different artists in this.
I so want that Elise card…….but not sure if I should order some…..no one to play with locally.
A lot of people just buy the cards to collect, so I wouldn’t worry about it : )
Seems unnecessary to hide the Anankos card when IS is showing it in plain site on their twitter feed.
The Japanese fans, and the Cipher community in general, are much less strict about spoilers than the international community, in my experience. Chances are, if you’re looking at the Cipher feed, you’re willing to take that risk, but for here, I would prefer to err on the side of caution rather than accidentally spoil something for someone.
So with Ryoma’s blade sticking out the side, apparently locked with Xander’s blade, I’m guessing there’s a true, full 8 card panorama of the siblings with Xander and Ryoma in the middle
You’re absolutely correct. There’s a teaser for the full 8 card panorama in one of the earlier news posts. I’m tempted to say it was shown during the previous livestream event.
That artwork of Ike and Micaiah will likely be the cover for Volume 2. Looking forward to translating it. : )
any word on why its taking so long to complete FE Fates Data “miscellaneous” & “Chapter/map/boss” (for each of the 3 paths)? 🙁 im hoping its because everyone is so absorbed in the game & Not because the fanbase don’t give a Sh*^ anymore.
(to all the whiny fanboys who bitch about “FE isnt FE anymore”, im a Resident Evil fan.. i know what it looks like to see a franchise throw everything defining it out the window.. & that IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to whats happening to FE. F@~ing drama queens)
Here’s something from Fates I could actually get behind. :^)
It would be nice if they actually had some male figurines for once. We’ve had Lucina, Tharja, Cordelia and now Camilla. Apart from a heavily warped Chrom and Marth figurine, the only decent male figurines we’ve had have been from FE4, and even then there were more female than male released…
Dood you forgot about Amiibos man. You can burn me for not being full-size figure, but they are at least very nice. I will agree though that lack of bigger scale figures are not in the male variety. Hope to be proven wrong though 🙂
Whoops! I’ll give you that. I knew I was missing some. I kinda count them, but still, no more detailed figurines for the male side is still sad to me, especially with Marth and Ike being everywhere for Fire Emblem :/
Except you know what? That her hair is gorgeous?
That’s my girl! 😀
I don’t want to imagine the things some freaks will unfortunately do with this.
My mom saw this book. Hopefully….She gets it!
Mmm, I’ll pass. Hoping for the PoR and RD books to come over instead.
Mine’s coming in tomorrow~
Soooo hoping the Tellius Recollections come out in English, though 🙁
I preordered this, and I am not disappointed. It’s gorgeous.
There definitely needs to be more fire emblem figures produced
If anyone takes here this book, please, tell me how old Ike, Mist, Soren, Micaiah and Sothe in FE10 ^^
Because I’m always asked me when I played this game.
Yep! I’ll be the one translating it and will note down your requests. On Day 1 I will hopefully get all that profile info out for the characters. (Though, Ike, Mist, Soren and Sothe have ages listed in FE9 already, so can just add three years : ) )
All hail Senri Kita!
Any updates on whether Camilla’s figure is going on sale soon or not?
I’ve been to two different Gamestops in the last week, and each one had an abundance of Robin amiibo on the sale floor. I would just check with your local Gamestops and see if they have any. It’s worth a shot.
Give me a Camilla amiibo Nintendo and I will buy it day one!
Of COURSE the amiibo gets a re-release and it’s on sale right after I buy in at almost $30 US.
Robin was rereleased! I picked up a figure at my local EB Games while picking up Pokemon. It seems to have stealthily increased in stock.
Figure collecting is expensive… 😡 rip wallet
«Even the bit part gets a revival!»
I’ll miss that line…
You do realize that final fantasy is way better than the fire emblem franchise
HOORAY
You do realize final fantasy is way better than the fire emblem franchise
Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8.
And I’d still rather play a great SRPG than a FF game.
You’re talking about ff tactics.
Huh fe fan boy?
Did you mean Final Fantasy’s version of Ogre Battle?
Huh ff fan boy?
Both.
Just because someone prefers FE/FE Clones doesn’t mean they’re a fan boy…
That’s a steal. Would buy straight away.
No way to get it if you don’t have a Japanese 3ds, right? QQ
Yep. It is a Japanese privilege to get your ass whipped by Thracia on a comfortable 3DS woohoo. At least we got emulators
Actually some very good news. 🙂
If only they could bring the Tellius series to VC. Still good news.
My guess is we’ll probably get an HD Port for the Switch. Or maybe a 3DS port. I’d honestly love to see Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn remastered w/ Fates Graphics – and maybe add in grinding for the players who aren’t as good, but like to think they are. *looks at self in mirror*
Yes please! Everyone pray to naga…
Besides, having each character a specific class again would be good, but then give us like free DLC skill scrolls that allow people to get a strong start.
So is this just a port from the DS? I bet that it would seem weird to play on the big screen.
I don’t see how it’s weird at all.
I think they would be weird because the character icons aren’t detailed due to the screen size so it would be weird to see them larger on a tv. Still cool it got ported though.
Despite having played through Shadow Dragon multiple times on the DS, I’m going to buy this release just to see if it encourages them to do the same with New Mystery of the Emblem…even though I know that won’t happen outside Japan.
3 continents and 3 symbols. I wonder if this’ll play off of Fates’ concept and you get to choose which nation you get to fight for.
Ah… now I imagine it will be like Pokemon Go, and two teams get all the love and that one team I joined will be left behind. xD
But hey, if each side has their own select waifu it will be waifu wars: mobile. These teams will probably be more evenly spread out.
This is (unfortunately) true too. xD
They’re all the same symbol though . . .
That’s true, but it could just be like a symbol that represent the world as a whole though.
does anyone know of any way to get a hand on a pre order of the official guide book vol 7 ? its sold out on Ami-Ami and I didn’t get to order one because I was head deep into exams T_T
btw, this translates to: I will suck your dick for one.
All I want from this is being able choose between multiple skin colors if there’s an avatar (which I think there will be)
If it’s going to play like a typical FE game in any capacity, I wonder if it’ll look more like the style of the GBA/DS games, since a game with Awakening/Fate’s level of models and such would probably kill battery life on a phone.
Good news. Still can’t get over why New Mystery isn’t localized though; it is a so much more polished game overall:(
Thanks for posting this! I will definitely be stopping by this booth, since I have a friend who’s a big Fire Emblem fan
Could you help me, a poor and sad soul, get some goodies ??? 😀
I will see what I can do. That booth was the most popular of the Industry booths. I’m not sure what they’ll have tomorrow, but if you send me a request in the next few hours, I can stop by tomorrow and try
THANKS A LOT !!!!!! I’m trying to get the players box character and pixel set.
If you are able to help me just tell me at which bank account I should deposit the money.
😀
Currently waiting in line for the con to open. If I manage to acquire it, I’ll give you my PayPal address.
And it is acquired. Please send me a message through Facebook so I can send you the payment information.
This is bound to increase the sales of the overall game. I mean seriously, now getting the three games is worth the purchase!
Now that they have this – can everywhere else get the last two DLCs for the game – Nohrian Festival of Bonds and Hoshidan Festival of Bonds? Intelligent Systems plz.
Please. Do they just not want our money or something?
beautiful
Hype, thanks Vincent!!! Been eager for release date info ^^
I wish this was a scale figure instead of a figma… but oh well…
Good times
Etika loves the Female Corrin/kamui, share this page to him 🙂
Insta-ordered.
My guess is that since the game’s story is based on the player’s decision, a true ending is difficult to sum it up in the manga so Nintendo decided to stop it because of that…..
Honestly, FE as a manga should be its own thing rather than basing it on the main games like how Sonic is different in the Archie Comics unlike his main games…
It’s not that surprising. They didn’t even bother getting Kibayashi for the DLC content. I guess their cooperation didn’t work out that well, like suggested by many of the oddities of the story in the final product (the Fates game itself), unlike what they claimed in interviews.
Better than Lucina.
This only makes me wonder if Kozaki-San isn’t going to draw new characters for the next Fire Emblem game…..
Creating a manga is a massive time investment, if anything this should suggest that NCL wanted him available for the games.
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All these Genealogy character cards…
What a great year for Fire Emblem!
I suppose. It depends on what perspective you have.
The perspective he/she has is a positive one so let’s just leave it at that.
Still waiting on that Corrin amiibo. And Cloud’s. Hopefully Nintendo hasn’t forgotten about them…
May was a quiet month? Did you miss that new translation of Genealogy of the Holy War? You know, the first 100% translated and polished one, released on the game’s 20th anniversary in May? The one that actually has a translated opening and epilogue? The one on your own forums? Really? That was kind of a very big deal.
link? i don’t see any pinned topics from this year.
Whoops, I knew I forgot something. Well, it’s a good thing somebody remembered : )
How could you have forgotten Leo’s birthday on June 30?! Unforgivable! That was a big deal. In all seriousness what a great look back :)!
Ooh, I really love the Risen King Chrom! It’s a cool look and concept, but it’s also sad. My poor hubby… 🙁
Awww no Teeny card yet?
I was wondering if there was a higher quality version of that adorable Elise and Sakura new years picture. Couldn’t find it anywhere else.
I really hope that Micaiah makes an appearance! Anna would be a fun addition too!
I’m hoping Ephraim or Hector are included.
Titania just running down horde after horde.
I’m hoping for Micaiah too <3
THAT’S IT! I’M BUYING A SWITCH!!!
Nintendo of America’s youtube page actually says it’s releasing Holiday 2017.
Hot DAMN! Good thing my brother wanted to get a Switch for Breath of the Wild, now I have to contribute to it and we can get it together to save some money in our individual wallets. Here’s hoping it’s as good as Hyrule Warriors!
Exactly how does this strategy series translate into a 3rd person button masher?
Ah doesn’t matter, only $$$ and the fact that every game these days needs to have a DW spin-off matters, right?
Consider: Super Smash Bros. I’m not worried.
After Ilusory revelation, I dont know if i should expect much of pré-Awakening Content (but shadow dragon).
Atlus didn’t have much room to shove FE characters into that game, but Warriors games can have upwards of 40+ characters. I’d count on seeing a lot of favorites from the series’ history.
I cant get rid of the possibility of them puting all your brothers of fates, plus the whole team of the Shepperds, plus the team of the idolsphere, and filling the rest with some Marth friends and be done with it.
What I expect is that they’ll fill the game with the “must-haves” from all the games (including Roy for the Amiibo support) then do their research on which of the fringe characters are more popular and make them available as paid DLC. I’ll happily pay extra for Nephenee, Boyd, etc.
lets hope for the best…
You win Nintendo! Take my money!
A Fire Emblem game of some sort on the Switch was a foregone conclusion, so I was going to preorder the system anyway, but this reveal saw me at GameStop a couple hours before they opened this morning. My son and I have thought an FE / Warriors crossover would be a great idea since we first played Warriors Orochi Hyper for the Wii U, and I’m looking forward to this much more than Tokyo Mirage Sessions. (I greatly enjoyed that game, but the connection to FE was dubious at best.)
I’m curious about how classes like Archers, Beasts, and Flyers would function.
If like other Warriors games, flyers won’t be an option. Archers will behave just like you’d expect them to (better at attacking from a distance, not good for tight combat), and beasts will just be tanks. Warriors Orochi III Hyper for the Wii U involved bears, horses and such that you can ride, and they pretty much just bowled everyone over.
Flyers could work, however, they’d just sort of hover the ground lol.
I just want every lord to be playable, and reoccurring characters (like Anna and Tiki)
I would give my firstborn for The Black Knight as a Lu Bu type character.
Using the recent and marketable titles is fine to start. No different than Hyrule Warriors really, with Mystery of the Emblem being Japan’s Ocarina of Time. Just give me Ike at some point and we’re good.
Dynasty Warriors is already basically a real time version of Awakening. Stat grinding and mindlessly moving your characters forward through an open field while killing everything in front of you. It’s like they were meant to be.
Haha, that was my first thought when I saw the trailer. It’s funny that some people still try to defend the ‘strategy’ in that game.
yeah, but seriously this blows. the swords shown in the trailer basically confirms that fire emblem 4 through 10 are going to be heavily under-represented, or just non-existent at all. It’s #FE all over again. Have fun with your game, waifu warriors.
Exactly. I had this exact conversation with someone else, and it seems very likely that the shit tier 3DS games will get at least half of the reps, if not more. I’m sure the gameplay will be fun, and I’ll still likely buy the game, but I can’t help but feel incredibly disappointed if Jugdral for example only get the lords or Alvis.
I absolutely see all your brothers of Fates there and Lynn, Eliwood and Hector not makin it togheter, if any of them.
Whoa, you two, salty much? Have you [honestly] played any of the crossover Warriors games? (I still have a Gundam Warriors game for 360 with characters I’m unfamiliar with, and Hyrule Warriors is really stretching it thin.) They will cover a much wider range than just the most recent installments. Don’t toss your baby out with the bathwater, they are just trying to double down on their recent successes. Just give it a little time to see what the line up will be like before you trash it.
Will we finally hear about Nohrian festival of bonds and the Hoshido equivalent?
Not really excited, actually. xD
But still, something to look forward to.
Yeah that’s right. Keep the love coming, Nintendo!
Eh, looks to be a fun but pointless diversion. It’s funny how we all thought Awakening saved #FE! XD
I know right? Really don’t see the point of this game to exist. And why oh why would people want this is making me wonder…
Yes, who wouldn’t see the appeal of taking Fire Emblem characters and being able to just have some mindless fun. Oh, the horror.
MUCH EXCITE.
I’m so excited OMFG!!
FE mobile, more looks into FE warriors and possibly seeing how the roster goes, maybe their cards are coming internationally finally, and maybe even showing off their figures too! Maybe even more… Like perhaps a look into their next game? Or FE Fates dlc or inclusions into other games? The possibilities could be endless now that they’re a main Nintendo game series !
“We don’t need a Fire Emblem Fighting Game. That’s what Smash is for”-said my friend…..my braincells couldn’t have died any faster while reading that. Excuse me, but the majority of the fanbase and I actually want to fight using characters besides the 5 mainstream ones that people jerk off to.
Then going on about how FE won’t do well as a fighting series and it should stay as an RPG….again braincells dying.
It sucks though if its completely locked onto the Switch because I don’t see myself buying one anytime soon due to not have extra money for that stuff.
i hope no slutty waifu/husbando this time. just a game.
And where I can download the music, please?
Since the Nintendo Switch is finally Region-Free, we can buy eShop VC titles from Japan. Of course I’ll be buying GotH and Thracia 776 when they come out.
wonder if they are planning to reveal a Switch Fire Emblem?
I just hope it has a bit more characters than Hyrule warriors and that they don’t fill up the roster with only Fates/Awakening/Shadow Dragon.
Please Nintendo, put Lyndis in this game.
*Throws money at screen*
Excited for everything except the mobile app.
Ehr… “Nintendo of Japan” does not exist. You should correct the text. Nintendo Company Limited (NCL) or Nintendo in Japan.
Nintendo of Japan is just wrong.
Thanks, we’ll be mindful of that in the future. You are referring to past articles, right? Since I don’t see any mention here.
I had updated it, thanks to the suggestion of Erlangueiro. Thank you for the correction!
OOOH BOYO!
Would this FE Mobile be in the US though .-.
Holy Gaiden remake, Batman!
Would it be 16 [unnamed]? Echoes would be 15.
That’s an incredibly valid point. I’ll update that. Thanks!
What a time to be an FE fan; 3 FE games this year with a main one next year. The Gaiden remake is definitely hype tho, will kind of show newer players what the series was like back in the day, and allows vets to experience Gaiden again but remastered. Great year for Fire Emblem.
VERY excited for the gaiden remake; never played it so it’s pretty much a “new” main-line FE game to me =3
Man idk about this, kinda disappointed in how it all turned out. Echoes has potential but I was never that big of a fan of Gaiden in the first place. Hopefully it will change my mind in due time.
Voting for Seliph in the webpage, we need to show Nintendo that we love Genealogy of the Holy War.
Well, i didnt feel insulted, so its alright.
Echoes seems promissing, Warriors still meh, cant wait to see the new game, and Heroes looks just sweet.
Sad no american release of Cyper be mentioned…
20 minutes of genuine Major IP treatment for 4 games.
The Gaiden remake is so unexpected that now I’m seriously going to hope for a Jugdral remake too.
The mobile game aknowledge the existence of the entire saga, granting the ability to vote any character from any game in the prerelease event.
This is a great era to be a Fire Emblem fan.
8×6 grid? That might’ve flown on old 2007-era dumbphones or Palm devices, but c’mon. Phantom of the Kill was a mess in a lot of ways, but it looked like a better adaptation of the 3DS FE style to smartphones than Heroes. Not all mobile games need to be dumbed down to two-minute affairs.
Gaiden remake is unexpected, but I enjoyed the original (despite the buggy translation) and it’d be hard to do worse than Fates.
oh my, Wendy has now become Gwendolyn. There goes everyone’s Wendy’s hate.
they Did That… nintendo goin in and announcing 4 games within 20 minutes……. i’m not ready for this (gaiden remake is coming a day after my birthday !!!!)
Heroes looks adorable so I’ll download that and maybe play it once in a while. A Gaiden remake is really interesting, but if it just plays like another Awakening/Farts, I’m skipping it.
A game: *is announced, with literally no information as to the contents of it*
You: There is absolutely no chance I will like this thing that I know utterly nothing about
…Do they pay this fanbase to be this negative?
Very exciting, thanks for the analysis!
One thing I guess you didn’t notice was that during the part where Robin and Sabre are talking, it is fully voiced. Regardless, really cool analysis! :3
Jugdral is going to become the new Hoenn and Majora’s Mask.
I think the woman with pointy ears is Mila in human form
Agreed.
I think it’s cool that they added a new female villager. There’s likely more new characters added if I had to guess. Too bad her and Robin will have to be renamed in the English localization for obvious reasons.
Well, who knows. We have more than one Arthur after all.
Robin is now Tobin according to Heroes, but Genealogy’s Arthur is still Arthur I think.
Does anyone know why Robin got renamed to Tobin? Cause I dont understand.
IS, are you redeeming yourself?
A proper remake of FE2 that might even include an enriched storyworld and characters? No Snowflake-flavoured always-right completely worshiped Avatar in sight? Tasteful inclusion of original and new game mechanics? A North American release?!
I’m so gun shy with IS right now, it could be a trap… but all signs point to a redemption! Maybe IS has learned how to properly remake a classic.
…
NOW REMAKE FE1 & 3 AGAIN AND DO IT RIGHT! GIVE MARTH A PERSONALITY!!!
And do FE4 and 5 whist you’re at it.
(Anyone else reminded of the Pink Floyd song? Nobody? No one? Was it just me? Okay.)
I’m cautious, because I feel it maybe a trap. They know fans’ weaknesses are getting hopes up that they’ll buy the next game regardless in hopes its good. xD
(But I’m sure as a remake they have good things to work with. I’m more worried about the “brand new games” like on the Switch).
Oh it’ll be definitely a horrible joke of a game in which none of the women wear clothes (except where the government mandates that) and the land’s god is you, the avatar, a creature so infallible that even when making massive and blatant mistakes, everyone still worships and vests absolute power in you… oh, wait, that’s Fates…
What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… A bit like FE10 but the player designs the evil god and also we’re treated to a lot of exposition with characters blindly worshiping and waifu-ing the Avatar. We could even call it Children of the Corrin!
Of course I don’t think they’ll do that… but we will see.
Well, the only female character we’ve seen so far is Celica, and she wears as much, if not more clothing than in her original artwork (it’s placed differently on her).
As much as I like FE2, they would have to works really hard NOT to improve over the original.
It’s OK to be wary, (though Fates was excellent for anything non-story related. And even then, they had at least E for Effort.) but they really now how to sweet talk to us, you’ll have to admit.
“What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… “
So, basically the Future Past DLC. Mmkay.
That too, that too.
Am I the only one who likes Fates..?
No. But apparently the number of people who a) enjoy Fates; b) enjoy older games in the series; and c) frequent this website are very few in number.
We’re getting three Fire Emblem games this year, and people still want to find things to complain about so it “waifu” this and “weeaboo” that.
Actually I think lots of people fit into your three categories. It’s just that people with complaints will always seem more vocal, since if you already like something there’s usually little reason to gush all the time about it. Whereas if you have a complaint you’d probably try and voice them in as many platforms as you can.
If you notice it’s usually the same like five people bashing Fates all the time. Nothing against them (I actually think they a have few valid criticisms), but I’m just saying they are not the majority you’d think they are.
We Fates Enjoying, Older Game loving, Serenesforesters are an endangered species
We need to be on the endangered species list XD
It’ll be good to properly get to play through Gaiden. It’s probably the game that needed a remake the most out of every game in the series (since FE1 at least you could play FE3 Book 1 before Shadow Dragon came out). I’m also liking the art style for the game, seems like it’d be a good one for FE to stick with for a while.
FE Warriors I really wanted to hear more news about, but upon further reflection, this is about the same amount as we had for Hyrule Warriors at the start, so I shouldn’t complain too much, you’ll probably get bits about it throughout the coming months up to its release.
FE Heroes I’m not personally interested in a game, but it representing FE as a whole gives me hope for FE Warriors, and we have English names for every playable character, some NPC’s, and subtitles that we didn’t get. They even acknowledged FE7’s subtitle for once!
Hidari is apparently the artist for the Atelier series and Fractale. I was wondering why the artstyle looked so familiar. I really like his style for this series and I hope he’ll do future entries. I’m actually quite a big fan of Kozaki’s art in general but it was really overstylized for FE.
This is just my opinion, but I really feel like this artist is a proper balance between the older games’ classic feel and the more modernized anime style of character designs. It’s a really, really good choice.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It feels like a natural progression of the series’ older style.
I actually dislike the portraits. I see it doing bad just because of that just like Shadow Dragon.
Hidari also done the Toukiden series, which further proves how capable she is on designing battle ready characters that have great mixture of practicality and style. Her overall aesthetic and design sense sits in the middle between Senri Kita and Yuusuke Kozaki for me, which is great. I could even said that Hidari is a non shoujo versio of Senri Kita (with better design sense on armor).
Kozaki was great in FE Awakening because he was allowed to show his default design sense that rely on realistic side more. It become a mess in FE Fates where he was forced to make his design more fantasy than he could (he already struggling with making his realistic aesthetic to become more fantasy in FE13). It was really bad for Kozaki because since he got a lot of shit for it while all the problematic design we have in the previous two games were the result of the art director.
Small correction: Hidari was ONE artist for Atelier, specifically the games for the Dusk trilogy. Before those, Mel Kishida did the art for the Arland trilogy, and the newest set of games has yet another artist.
That said, I agree that Hidari’s more subdued designs fit FE much better than Kozaki’s (can’t wait for what he comes up with for No More Heroes 3 though). In fact, the color palettes remind me of the PoR/RD designs.
Great as usual Vincent! It may be worth nothing to fans who are unfamiliar with it that the original Gaiden lacked weapon durability which inspired Fates to do the same. I only bring this up since I was asked by a lot of fans whether it would include weapon durability or not. xD
The three swords will probably be some tome-based limiting mechanic, indipendent from stamina, for arena (there is no stamina cost shown in the arena screen) or some other mode.
The “flame” icon could represent dragonstones, since we know Manaketes are in, but stones are not shown anywhere else in the weapons schematic.
I would second this notion based on other mobo games i tried. They function akin to Stamina but are only used for “special event” maps (eg. 1 run on an event map cost 1 sword and 1 sword regenerates every 2 hours).
Looking at one of the screenshots on the website that shows a list of characters, yeah the flame is used for manaketes. Red>Green>Blue>Red. Basic color triangle stuff. Although seeing that Archers, Clerics, and Ninjas use a grey icon, I guess they aren’t effected by the triangle, but can’t gain the bonuses from using it.
Oh great…now we’re screwed.
Hey, I think it cool. It’s not like they are only planning to do only mobile games now.
We have 2 more planned and an other spin-off.
Exactly. They literally tried to hit all the bases.
You want the next standard Fire Emblem fare? Fire Emblem Gaiden has you covered.
You want a hack and slash game go play Fire Emblem Warriors.
To lazy or broke to afford a Nintendo system? Play Fire Emblem Heroes
Do you remember playing Fire Emblem 9 and 10? Don’t worry we have a High resolution Fire Emblem on the way with the switch.
Exactly, let’s just hope we can get a GOOD Fire Emblem with a story and supports conversations like PoR + a long and difficult game like RD. With this and a Metroid game, I get a Switch in no time.
Everything looked good except the mobile game.
They’re all just the same drivel.
I’m actually pretty excited for this even though I’m usually not too big on mobile games. A magical gun that shoots out a waifu (…and a Chrom)? An assault waifle? Sold.
That made me laugh way more than it should’ve. X3
sigh… Why did I laugh at a pun?
I think it’d be really funny if we got Merlinus in the game.
IDK how they’d make that work lmao. I’m voting for him if I make it all 14 days.
That would be great. Merlinus has my vote!
Or the trainee/villager classes… but then again there no light or dark magic either so who knows.
Holy Shit..
Is this a trick or is Intelligent Systems actually reaching out to the veteran fanbase?
That’s a step back on the path of radiance, now do not mess up.
I don’t want to see aaaany cheese or bad character designs.
Everyone vote Rolf please. We need some PoR/RD representation.
I voted for Geoffrey
I’ve been voting for Edward and Sothe on my account and my wife’s account. Ike’s games have too many great characters.
No love for Mia?
I voted for Jill and if I cant vote for her every single time I’m going to vote for Soren, Nephenee, Lethe, Oscar, and Ilyana at the very least
YES! Brofist! (I will vote the Radiant Dawn version though, even if the PoR one is my favorite she is still a teen, in the first game)
That does beg the question obviously Tiki would be split into 2 characters being a significant age difference but its 2 years between PoR and RD are they just gonna do one central new artwork or will it be split for each returning character from PoR I kinda hope not cuz that be a lil’ silly
My guess is for the central artwork like they did with Ike (who looks like the Ike from the 2nd part if the game). For Jill I don’t think they will do a “young” version (well if she get to be in the game) but I’m curious for Mist, Rolf or Marcia who got some things changing.
True, people Jill, Volke, Nephenee, Oscar, and Geoffrey don’t have much different but Mist, Ike, Sothe Marcia, and even Boyd are a noticeable difference. Guess we will have to wait and see.
I prefer nailah
If we want PoR/RD characters, Nephenee, Volke, and the motherfucking Black Knight are where it’s at.
Voted for Micaiah (and for Norne in a bizarre acident o_O)
Quick question. Who’s the localization team behind this remake? 8-1 studios or Treehouse?
I hope to Christ that it’s 8-4. Some of the support in Awakening were kinda dumb, but almost all of the ones in Fates were just bland. Like- only a meager step above Radiant Dawn.
The tomes shown for each color represent an element. You can see what type of tomes theyare via weapons triangle.
if it is a free to play, i download this ^_^
Its freemium.
I have to vote for Dozla. #Dozla2017
Make Fire Emblem Great Again.
Dozla ain’t popular.
I want FE4 and 5 more than anything. 4 in my opinion is the best game in the series. Here’s also hoping the localization is actually half decent unlike Fates
Here’s hopin’
the added feminine unit with bangs looks exactly like the villager Effie (compare the sprites and you will see) but it seems like she was promoted into a mage
I feel a bit sad, since it seems that “Tharja” had a artwork change to it (her breasts seems smaller than the Awakening artwork).
Everyone’s getting new art for this game.
zomg, that last sleeve is too cute!
Actually, the story of Zofia and Rigel made me think more about North and South Thracia. Noba and Dain were also siblings, after all.
Yup, I was reminded of that as well, but I didn’t want to make the article bigger than it already is, haha. I totally forgot about Noba and Dain being siblings though (it was super late when I was writing this).
No one going to say anything about the White Robin with guns? Ok.
I think ourself (the guy in white and gold robe) can’t fight,because all i saw was he summoning unit,and second the gun hole looks like a keyhole in a door,maybe that gun was the thing for summoning.
Voted Ayra. Geneology needs representation. I didn’t see a single FE4 character in there.
I also voted for Ayra.
Great soundtrack, thank you for uploading it.
Damn, that soundtrack is amazing. In particular, the upbeat jazz rendition of hitori omoo and the id purpose piece are amazing.
Anna Best Waifu, Just Sayin’.
(Also if They Have Awakening & Fates Anna Then My Team Will be All 3 Annas & Lissa)
Which one?
I Just hope it doesnt have Permadeath.
With the summoning system, keeping permadeath would kill this game within the first week.
They confirmed it doesn’t in the video.
I’ve voted for Ayra from Genealogy of the Holy War. She started or popularized the Swordmaster class. We need Genealogy of the Holy War representation.
Ewww, are they getting rid of a separate Magic and Strength stat again? Under HP, it just says “ATC” (probably for “Attack”) before “TEC” (Technique, or Skill). Ugh…
Also, I don’t like the new studio’s animation. It’s choppy and weird. The art takes a pleasant direction, though.
Boey without his red hair is also really, really wrong… he started it! He started the trend!
And as for Effie… if there is an avatar character in this game (there may or may not be), I think it might be her. Starting out as a villager so you can choose what class you advance to would be a neat way to make the unit personalized as well as appreciate their growth. The fact that there is a new character whose name coincidentally sounds like the letters “FE” read aloud seems too convenient not to mean something. (I also want the female version of a player character not to be considered “non-canon” compared to the male counterpart for once…)
This all seems very complicated, and just plain too big for a smartphone game…
i thought the mage looked like a girl, in which case maybe it’s mae?
Such a shame I can’t throw my money at someone for this. Feelsbadman
dang it I need to know more leaks before I plan to buy more than 3 boxes! D:
*sigh* if only it was possible to buy these ;-;
Who wants to bet we’ll start finding it on Amazon/eBay over the next couple months at skyrocketed prices?
Who wants to bet we’ll all fight for it anyways?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122297945366 <- for anyone interested in getting a copy, just bought one for myself.
Goddamn stamina meter. Whoever designed that mechanic in mobile gaming should be shot. I hate mobile games that only let you play for 15 minutes every 4 hours just so they can try to trick you into spending $5 so you can play for another 15 minutes.
I was really looking forward to a Fire Emblem game on my phone, but now it looks like I’m not going to play it at all.
You know, you can at least get Blazing Blade, Sacred Stones, and even a fantranslation of Binding Blade on you phone…
Whoa, I’m honestly shocked that Lyn is leading the polls. That’s great though, it means the original fanbase is not as small as I expected. I’m gonna put in some votes down for her because I really wanna see her win.
The Nostalgia goggles are fierce in this poll. I kinda rooted for Hector over Lyn, but I’m glad to see Elibe get such high praise at this point. Elibe games haven’t had much love from Nintendo in a long time.
FE6 in particular is getting quite a bit of love considering the many FE6 units that will be available at the beginning.
Ugh, Lyn. Sorry but I never liked her so the fact that she’s leading the ballot kinda angers me. Not surprised about the other 2, though.
I’m honestly asking this, why don’t you like her?
Well, excuse me for having different tastes. If anything, really bad experiences with her dying to axe users, super crap defenses and her ending if she doesn’t marry Eliwood or Hector thus erasing any trace of Caelin in FE6 although that part can be understood due to the fact that she didn’t exist in FE6. Tutorial “lord” who held your hand though her entire tutorial, err…story. I’ve been very wary of Myrmidons and speedy units ever since.
Wow. I ask an honest question, because I’m genuinely curious whenever someone has an unusual opinion, and you decide to be rude. By replying in such a crabbyway, you’re only encoiraging people to bite your head off whenever you state said unusual opinion.
My bad but the classes in general (Myrmidon/Samurai/Swordmaster) have let such a bad impression on me that I can hardly find anything good about them. “Encouraging people to bite my head off”? Like I care. I simply stated my opinion on the matter. It comes off a harsh and rude but it’s how I feel.
How the hell did your Lyn die to axe users? I mean, she’s not exactly up there on my list either (I’ve only been voting for FE4 characters haha), but seriously, I remember the weapon triangle being good in the GBA games.
Basically, her defenses are bad enough that even one hit is usually enough to slaughter her if she’s taken even one other hit the entire level, and knowing how much RNGs secretly hate our guts it’s quite plausible that at least one player has had Lyn get wiped by an unlucky shot – I lost Ogma my first Shadow Dragon playthrough to three consecutive axe hits that were all under 20% Hit Chance, so it’s believable.
“How?” Have you heard about the RNG? I’ve seen Myrmidons/Samuraiget hit and dying to axe users a lot to the point I even question the weapon triangle at times. Lyn in particular even died in the prologue once. For her I’d always just have her counter or having her attack and have a healer nearby. Hana and Hinata from Fates kept proving me right to dislike the class in general as they kept getting hit by maces and axes.
Yessss! Lyn! I’ve been voting for her all the days. I truthfully didn’t expect her to be the top though.
I’m all for Lyn, as I love Swordmasters (except where they were butchered in Awakening), and was super glad to have a Swordmaster Lord, but I would have preferred to have a non-Lord in the top 3 just to see the love (can we get some Nephenee love up in here?!?!)
While I’m personally voting for Cordelia, Nephenee would be next on my list, so you have my moral support!
I’d advise that they should vote for Ayra, the first Swordmaster. She’s the first on my list. She was at a time before Swordmasters were butchered. Compared to Lyn, she’s pure nostalgia. I agree that I’d rather have a non-Lord as number 1.
Lyn’s at the top, and so is Ike! Yes!
That’s cool I really like all 3 of the leaders but I also saw this coming its going to be very hard for some characters to make the list because they may not be central enough. I wouldn’t be surprised if only like Tiki or Tharja were the only non “lord” character on the list.
The want. Do people put this kinda stuff on ebay or whatever?
AGH
…This makes things difficult. I may have to take more drastic measures – like using my iPod, my brother’s iPod, my mother’s phone, both our home comps, my dad’s laptop, and my grandmother’s comp every day for votes.
Haha, probably not. In all realness, though, I was hoping for like, a Whitewing sister or something instead of just Smash people. Guess I’d better consolidate what votes I’ve got left for Roy…meh. Whatever. I’m splitting mine between two of Roy, Idenn, Limstella, and Palla for anyone who wants to lend a hand.
Why isn’t Caeldori on there dang it!
surprised lyn over marth 😮
I think everyone’s kind of tired of Marth by now, plus we have lady Marth so it’s possible some of the male FE players who may have voted for Marth instead chose Lucina.
Wow I’m shocked at this. I knew Ike would be up there but Lyn and Lucina? They’ve already been in the trailer as in the game characters *shrugs* People vote for what they like though.
I think Nintendo plans to release almost if not all characters from each game as characters at some point or other. If you notice up above it says they’ll be given special costumes for the event, so it’s possible that everyone wants to see what kind of exclusive costumes either of those two will get – would Lucina get Masked Lucina as her exclusive, or perhaps her Yukata from the Hot Spring Scramble? What would they do for Lyn? I know I’m interested in seeing these “special Choose Your Legends costumes” particularly on characters that don’t see much love otherwise, like Palla, Idenn, or Limstella, but in the end, I’ll still fight for Roy.
Yeah, I’d figured they’d get special art, which I know people would love for their favorite character, but my logic is if they’re already in the game, then vote for one who isn’t confirmed yet (like me and Cordelia)
AH MAN I FORGOT CORDELIA
…There goes tomorrow’s vote. I was going to just vote for Roy, but then I remembered Idenn, then Limstella, then Palla, now Cordelia, probably remember somebody else I want by tomorrow, so meh.
Hopefully Ike wins by techincality, or at least 2nd place. Isn’t anyone voting for Radiant Dawn Ike? and Will the votes merge or will both Ike’s be treated as different characters?
This is what I want to know. Both my wife and I have spent all our votes thus far on RD Ike, so I would hope they are combining, but it seems not. I actually get tired of young Ike being pushed over the mature, literally cannot lose, true bad-A Ike.
Since both young and old Tiki are included as separate characters, it’s likely that Ike will receive the same treatment.
Radiant Dawn is pretty cool since its Ike’s character coming full circle. but… I dunno, a lot of votes where thrown in on Radiant Dawn ike at this point. might as well keep going. though i do recommend switching Ike for path of radiance. HE IS at 3rd place already.
Do we know if anyone here on SF is going? I want that pixel character sleeve set.
I expected Lucina to be #1 but seeing Lyn is equally disappointing for me. What about L’Arachel? Minerva? Tharja? Marisa? Micaiah? I dunno, I feel like there are other women in FE that would be more deserving than a character who we’ve already seen in the promo’s/trailer.
Minerva has been confirmed along with Tharja as both were in the trailer. Micaiah is likely I think since she’s a lord, La’rachel could be possible since healers are in the game (Wyrs in the gameplay trailer and Lissa in the opening, I also noticed Sakura in the background when they showed a lot of characters, she’s on the far left in the back) Marisa I would like to see but who knows tbh.
Micaiah is the Lord equivalent in Radiant Dawn, and thusly has Main Character status, which pretty much guarantees her inclusion. As for the others, there’s really no reason to believe Nintendo won’t at least try to add every character they can to get as many people as possible into this game because more players means more people to go buy the Orbs that probably won’t be all that common through regular gameplay.
Not to be “that guy” even though typing this will make me that regardless, Nintendo is not the one making this game. If my information is correct it’s DeNA.
Oh, really? I didn’t know that. I do still think the idea of adding every character they can to get as many people buying those Orbs as possible is still relevant, that just means who will Nintendo allow them to have instead of who will Nintendo choose to add.
Well it’s not like it matters much anyways since they’d just be special launch versions/cosmetics of the winning 2 genders. Still, I’d like to see people voting towards characters not seen on the covers ya know?
yeah that was my logic, for example we haven’t seen Cordelia and I’ve been voting for her
Hector >>>>> Lyn in that game! There are a lot of better characters in the whole franchise, but people still voting for the main characters. Lyn badass swordmaster? naaah the definition of a badass swordmaster is Karel.
Nah Fir
Nah’s not even a swordmaster.
Wants precious NOW!!! Also while Ike is in the group shot would like to see more PoR/RD in there or at least confirmation that you can get everyone from all games at the start
Knowing most Summoner-Type games, it’s doubtful everyone will be available as a possible first hero, and it’s also likely that certain characters will be purposefully withheld so they can be released later as part of exclusive events to ensure everyone rushes out and buys a bunch of Orbs so they can try to pull the rare hero while they can, so I’d say don’t let your hopes get too high or you may get quashed.
True be nice if they say so at the beginning though “At this time FE8, 9, and 10 are not fully implemented into the game” sort of thing
Yeah, it would. With other games like Brave Frontier and KHuX, I’ve seen them give you a way to look at what the full list of Medals/Units/what-have-you that you can get from each Summon Gate/Other such thing is, and I think they’ll at least try to do that here, but if not, then I guess we’ll just have to cross our fingers, eh?
8 more days! ＼(´◓Д◔`)／
They killed Nino! Those monsters!
I want to play with my fav husbandos the 3G from SS; Gerik, Gilliam, Garcia~~~
B-But my Boy
Dissappointed that Frederick doesn’t yell “Pick a god and pray!”
Tharja….Camilla and F!Corrin…garbage….also Donnel? blech…not gonna stay 10th I’m positive Dorcas I’m surprised at lol
I gotta say I’m very disappointed that Eirika is in the top 10 considering she is mediocre at best (as far as I remember), and she has the personality of a rock…And not a boulder in the ocean, but a pebble in a desert, so really bad….
Also sad to see Nephenee so far down on the list 🙁
How the hell did Donnel even made it into the top 10…?!
DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE MAN WITH THE PAN!!!
Probably a bunch of Awakening players who know how broken he is once you give him a little training.
Except the fact that you have to rain Donnel at all to make him viable shows that he’s not good let alone “broken”.
How does having to train him make him not broken? Aptitude alone makes him shoot past everyone ridiculously early, meaning if anything he’s more broken when you consider he has to go through ten extra levels before he can start doing normal things as he gains like five or six stat growths every single level.
Except Donnel has a hard time just leveling up. His awful Str means that you’re dumping a Forge on him just so that he can kill enemies, and his awful HP and Def means that he requires a pair-up just to survive a single hit. And much of everyone in Awakening that joins earlier than Donnel starts cruising as soon as they get going. The difference is that none of them actually have to go through a “suck period” like Donnel does. This includes Panne, who has virtually identical growths to him even with Aptitude considered.
Ask anyone else at the forum on this site, and they’ll all tell you the same thing.
He’s not terribly difficult, he just requires a little more work than most others – all you need to do is ALMOST kill an enemy with somebody else, which is fairly easy if you have Champions of Yore or, as an easier route, EXPonential Growth as he can beat the Level 1 Entombed on his own with nothing more than a Glass Lance and they’ll level him up easily enough, not to mention he gets Armsthrift and insane Luck at the end of the day so you can give him all the best weaponry without fear of breaking anything you needed for a real challenge like Apotheosis. In the end he still outperforms many of the rest of the Shepherds – I’d take him over Vaike or Sully any day, for example, and, addressing your comparison to Panne, I would argue Counter is a better Skill than Lethality to pass on to any Female Gen 2 character as Counter is a Male-Class-only Skill while Lethality can be learned by any Child character provided you set the parentage up right, not to mention that I’ve found Donnel infinitely more useful than Panne for at least three-fourths of my twenty-odd playthroughs just from the Class Tree setups the two have.
Wait wait wait. If your a serious committed fan in the first place, and you don’t do some “nuz-lock” challenge (i’m referring to pokemon) where you set limitations on yourself like for example, no re-classing and no spamming Reeking boxes, and you actually take the time to make sure each character gets the best possible skills from their class trees, all character will end up having green stats across the board (maybe not resistance. FE produces hate resistance and give bull $hit growth rates every game)
Your even talking about USING DLC and if people happen to have paragon from Bloodlines 3, and EXPotential growth already as is, mine as well keep reclassing (while getting good skills in mind so stopping around lv10 if u just want the lv5 promoted skill or stopping at Lv15). At best i noticed once they’ve gained about 40-ish to 60 levels they will have green all across. So how many times you have to re-class, 3 right? Thats 60 levels plus the few if they come unpromoted.
You say “not terribly difficult”, and “a little more work” but playing on Lunatic let alone Lunatic+ and you don’t have the luxury to hold back or leave enemies half finished off. In fact starting from Lunatic onward, Donnel can’t get any damn kills with his low Str even with a forged lance. His skill is too low and he can’t land a hit with a % or 70 or lower and his speed makes him horrible at dodging. Seriously the chapter he comes on during Lunatic enemies already have Steel Axes and hit like 27+ damage and with his like 2 or 3 def they are going OVERKILL by like 5 points with his cheap HP. Even Kellam can’t save him with boosted 4/5 def from pairing. Donnel is an insult to characters like Nino and Est with high growth rates but near end-game entry.
First off, only the characters you use will have their stats straight up green, not necessarily all of them – as I mentioned, I usually avoid Vaike and Sully and I also generally skip Kellam, Miriel and Ricken because I usually find that other characters do what I would use them for but better, like Stahl, who outperforms Sully most of the time as a Swordmaster early on since he begins with a headstart on Weapon Strength and Astra is an excellent Skill to get for either Cavalier for late game, or my own Avatar, who does all the Magic stuff Ricken and Miriel does but better. Secondly, if you’re playing Lunatic, just obtaining Donnel is a marvelous feat and I commend everyone who pulled that off, but that’s part of why I mentioned using EXPonential Growth in the first place – it’s the same across the board no matter what difficulty you’re using. Also, you can’t really compare Donnel with Nino and Est fairly because Donnel arrives earlier in the story than Nino/Est and his Class setup is different not to mention you have the DLC for grinding whereas with Nino/Est you have no such bonus, so you need to treat them differently. Also, what’s weird about using DLC? You kind of sound like it’s some plague, but I’ve been using it to grind out for a 100% complete Support Log because it’s the easiest way, and I’ve needed Rogues and Redeemers 3 because I’m not quite ready to take Apotheosis on without Limit Breaker and I’m a bit of a completionist so I’m trying to finish every DLC episode, not to mention get every possible Skill on every character.
Really, in the end it’s a matter of preference as to Donnel’s brokenness, but I think that there are players who have ground him out and loved him and voted for him because of that, although it is possible that there are a bunch of people who were like “Look, we all know it’s going to be Lord-Spam Glory for the top list, so let’s at least try for ONE really out-there guy, like that one kid with the pot on his head.” so that’s another possibility.
Bro….your missing the point of what some of us are telling you. In fact your response to me was off topic. I don’t know how your interpreting what i said but first I don’t have a problem with DLC users. In fact i’ll come clean. I use powersaves/ActionReplay. I did a few play throughs the legit way when the game first came out but after i got AR i started putting Dragonskin on every character, armsthrift, and giving myself a bunch of stat boosting items plus infinite money. I prep teams just for spot-passing and taking on Apothesis. So all characters feel the same to me since i can put whatever skill i want on anyone.
Now the point some of us are trying to make is that Donnel isn’t broken/superior. His maximum stat modifier is +1 str, +3 luck, and +1 def. So compare him to a hero like Gregor. Gregor’s maximum stat mod is +2 str, +2 skill, and +1 def. This means that with all across max green, Gregor has 1 more str then Donnel, 2 more skill which for some skills can be like +1/2% activitation rates, where as Donnel only beats Gregor with 3 luck if all stats were green across. That means Gregor is a superior Hero becuz he has more stats that matter. Now say you make him Bow Knight. Gregor still has better stat maximums so who else can be a BK? Virion. His stat modifier is +2 skill and +2speed so as a bow knight, Yeah Donnel has 1 more str and def compared to V-man but Virion has 2 more skill and speed so again 1 or 2% more activitation rate and better dodge. Now say you make him warrior. Vaike’s modifiers are +3 str, 1 skill and speed. So as a Warrior with all green stats Vaike would have 2 more str and 1 more skill/speed then Donnel which are stats that matter. Donnel only beats Vaike as a warrior with 3 more luck and 1 more def.
Whatever class Donnel picks to end-game with, his maxed out stats still aren’t better then Gregor, Virion, and Vaike. Instead of the effort you put into raising Donnel,all you have to do is re-class those 3 guys and give them a few extra kills/levels so they can get all green. Donnel isn’t superior. In fact if anything, all 13 children characters are broken if you match up the right parents with their modifiers that they pass on and pick the right classes. Severa as a hero can hit like 51/52 skill depending on her father, Inigio can get more str/skill plus if you make Chrom his dad, get the Rightful King +10% skill, and…..well basically i can go on and on and on. Children are broken on this game. They are better than their parents becuz of how their stat modifiers work.
And all i’ve been talking about is stats. If i brought up skills even then Donnel isn’t that impressive. Virion can get 3 breaker skills, life taker, and whatever else you want making him an HP Dodge tank. Gregor has access to astra, axefaire, swordfaire, a breaker skill, and a variety of self-assist skills that make him great as Hero with +5 damage, and …..again i don’t need to bring up broken children. Putting aside his appearance, peronality, and whatever else people look at and think is great about him, objectively, he isn’t a great unit. Again, objectively, he is not a broken/superior/good unit. That is the point we are trying to make. Preferences is like a synonymous word for BIAS. You prefer him so you think he is good, but objectively he isn’t. His stats don’t match up, his skills don’t match up, and end-game after about 60 level ups, his growth rates don’t matter. If you like his personality thats fine. Or his looks. But don’t call him a broken/good character. He is broken but not in the good way.
Ditto what Tediz64 said. And besides, DLC and grinding isn’t often considered in a unit’s natural performance.
Some dumb hashtag he ain’t gonna last at 10 though.
Thanks for the zip file! Saved me the trouble of going through and getting each individual one myself 😛
Glad Ephraim made the top 10 of the males as I think he’s a very underused character. And Lyn nabbing the top spot of the female list is just awesome as she’s one of the first FE characters I’ve known about.
Lucina and Tharja are most likely suffering from LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) they would probably be able to beat Lyn singularly, but being both in the same pool split the Awakening fanbase enough to make Lyn come on the top.
On the other side Ike is simply a beast, even splitted against freaking HIMSELF, being able to be N°1 and N°5 at the same time.
The only Japan-only character is Roy, that has smash popularity, so obviously western votes were dominant, a testament to FE increased success in the western market and a global interest for FE Heroes.
Funny Dorcas at 18 in the male pool: is he genuine or there is some rallying around for a joke entry?
It should be Eliwood in second and not Roy…I really don’t see why people like Roy so much. His character is weak and this guy is the worst lord in the entire series.
Simple Answer: How many people are only voting for someone from Smash Bros?
Broken Sword of Seals is broken even if you only use it for a while.
Smash Bros. is the only reason Roy is so high. If anything, we should concentrate our votes on Eliwood to see if he makes it to the top 20.
But why when we can have an epic Ike/Roy standoff for the last couple days and build up hype for who finally pulls ahead in the end?
We already have that thanks to Smash 4. As of the current results, they’re nothing but a huge embarrassment to the Fire Emblem fans who played most of the games.
Not to terribly surprised by this list sad theres no Jill on it but happy to see Nephenee and both Ikes with PoR Ike being at #1 and out of everyone Lute is hands down the one person I did not expect to see on this list
I know that feel bro, but hey if only Jill, Titania and Nephenee are included in the game, that’s enough to make me happy^^
But the fact that PoR Ike is number 1 is giving me faith for the FE fanbase!
Well, everyone’s likely to get in eventually. The real question will be how much you’re willing to spend to GET Jill, Titania, and Nephenee.
Haha, well it all depends on how much and how is the game programmed for getting the characters you want^^
Agreed be nice if they sectioned them off by series buy orbs for people from the Elibie series or the Tellius series otherwise it be really freggin random
ROY’S ALMOST THERE!!! HE’S NEARLY THERE! IT’S LIKE SMASH BRETHREN ALL OVER AGAIN!!! WHO WILL COME OUT ON TOP?!?!?!
Also, people still remember who Chrom is?!
VOTE FOR OUR BOY
Dorcas and that sneaky Lute! Haha. Both are my favourite. 😀
I’m pleased that Owain and Nino got into the top 20!
I think it’s funny how both Ike and Marth have two versions of themselves up there…
If Owain hadn’t been in the top 20 I would have been seriously disgusted with the FE Community as a whole.
I don’t really get Ike and Marth being split, but I’m not complaining because otherwise Roy would have literally no chance of beating Ike looking at where Ike is on the list AFTER they split the votes, and Marth wouldn’t be too far behind since he’s so popular.
*This is where I put all the hate from my choices not being in the top 20.* But, seriously, where is Midori? I think Midori is a better character than Sakura.
Characters who aren’t key to the plot are usually at a major disadvantage. Children moreso, since not everyone recruits them. So it’s rather intriguing when you have characters like Owain and Severa make it to the top.
Owain has a bit of an advantage in that his extreme dramatism makes him more memorable. Hell, when he yelled out “IT GNAWS AT MY SOUL!!!!” my first thought was that I had to send a screenshot immediately to my old college roommate, as we used to do the whole fake-over-dramatization of everything.
I am sad there’s no love for Canas the Menace who fought a snowstorm to the death!
Replace Eirika and Robin with Nephenee and Anna/Tiki and I’m happy.
Sad that L’Arachel didn’t even rank, but not really surprised. The massive influx of newbies only have two games to pick from, so they’re for sure going to get their picks in- but we veterans have the entire series to choose from. A lot tougher to get a unified front for who we want.
I’m also quite annoyed that the Black Knight is nowhere to be seen.
Everybody spam Nephenee to try and get her into the top 12- she’ll make the calendar that way.
Also- I think people are misunderstanding the vote- everybody is already in. Or will be. The main outcome of the votes are the top two getting special outfits and top 12 getting featured in the calendar.
Almost. It’s the top 10 that appear in the calendars. The first two months feature the original characters for Heroes.
Im in a bit of a weird spot. I am a relatively new fan, started with awakening, but I feel like a veteran trapped inside the body of a newer fan xD I mean, I havent played too much of the older games, as I sadly don’t own any consoles apart from 3DS and my emulator broke down in the mid of my FE7 run, but I do agree with like all the hate awakening and especially fates get. I love those games, but I’m sure Id lover the older games a lot more, if only I were able to play them, as I hate the whole waifu and grinding aspects of the newer ones… I’m rooting for Black Knight ofcourse.
If the new games are all you’ve played and you hate their features, what made you get into the series …
I meant I agree with all the reasons people prefer the older games over them. Despite those things I still loved them as strategy games. I absolutely love them, bot I agree completely with people who hate on say, Corrin, bad story arcs, Camilla, petting, phoenix mode etc. This is why I think Id enjoy the older games more, which doesnt mean I dont like Awakening amd Fates, which I still enjoyed.
Black Knight needs to be on here! Easily my favorite antagonist.
Probably Black Knight votes got Split between Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn…. I think he would surely win in a villains only vote!! I think Nintendo should Split the top heroes vs heroines and Top male and female Villains!!
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Would have liked to see Black Knight make it. Sad Owain barely made the list, but Donnel gives me hope.
I don’t think I’ll vote anymore for Lyn since she’s doing so well, so I’ll switch over to Henry, since he needs some love
Sakura’s bit seems to show that you can get a critical when healing?
You’ll have to wait for Nintendo to release the artwork (or people to datamine the game).
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I think they should unite Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn characters votes it would surely change the list and also Marth votes!! As an Older Fire emblem fan Its a shame Fire emblem Super NES characters like Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia are not appearing in the list probably because they launched only in japan and are unknow to Western new fans!! Neverthless is a good list with variety from gba games!!! Awakening and Fates have the majority of the votes but they deserve it because they promoted the franchise to another level…. and because of that “tomorrow” we can enjoy FE Shadows of Valentia!!
Lowenthal is pretty much Nintendos Troy Baker.
Probably this list will also be used for Fire Emblem Warriors!!!
Before we saw Matt Mercer and now Travis Willingham! yeah! anyone else from Critical Role coming to FE?
Well, a fair number of them have already been in FE! Laura Bailey was Lucina; Sam Riegel was Donnel, Stahl, and possibly one other from Awakening that I can’t remember. Marisha Ray was Effie, Mikoto, and… Oboro, I think? Or was it Orochi? I always forget, but she was one of those two, in Fates. Liam O’Brien is perhaps most notably Inigo/Laslow, though he’s had some others, including Izana. And if we’re going way back to the early days of Critical Role, Orion Acaba was also in Awakening, though I don’t remember who exactly he was. So here’s hoping they all get to keep their roles for Heroes!
6 more days! ＼(´◓Д◔`)／
It disheartens me that Ike is actually there twice. I used to like him as a character, but it feels like he’s everywhere and too overrated. I don’t want two of the same character, especially since I don’t even want one of him >.<
That fits for Fae, but I hope to Christ that that isn’t going to be the standard Manakete sprite.
With Awakening Tiki?
Kiss any notion of FE6’s manaketes being standard goodbye. More likely than not there’s a manakete Sprite for FE6, FE8, FE9/10 (Dragon Laguz), FE11/12 and FE13. I imagine the Corrins will have their fates style dragon form as well.
Well most of my favorite characters are 11-20s so I guess dreams ded. gz to others
I can’t really remember, is there anything for people other than 1st place?
Also, I’m curious how the votes would’ve gone if more limited, because it feels like there’s a lot of Fates&Awakening characters here
First two get special artwork/outfits. Top 10 make up the rest of the calendar.
Yuck English voice. Can I have Japanese voice but English interface, please?
Let’s hope, but hey, voices for everyone’s better than where we were, right?
Congrats Jedi and Elieson! You’ve both done fantastic work! Keep it up ^^
I won’t say i’m shocked, cuz its more like baffled that Soren didn’t make it to the top 10. I knew there was meme going on with gender bender Soren with Ike and even without the gender bender alot of Yaoi shippers for those two so i figured some girls would vote him in, but putting that aside, Soren makes Robin look like a noob in terms of strategy and intellect. Robin made mistakes. Failed to predict the Risen during Emm’s execution and getting trapped in Fort Stiger by the turncoat rebels. Soren didn’t make any mistakes. And when the laguz leaders ignored his advice and messed up, he still fixed their problem. Plus the kid is HALF DRAGON. He was like the loli (or in this case shota) manakete. (referring to Tiki, Nowi, Myrrh, Fa). Maybe i’m too harsh on Robin or biast but i’m still baffled. I voted Soren at least +7. Also devasted Leanne (PoR or RD) didn’t make it. Who doesn’t like fiesty delicate looking angel girls? That girl had spunk challenging others.
RiP Nino.
Hm. I just wanna know if the system requirements will lock me out like it did for Pokémon Go. After I was a playtester for them and everything.
At least a small control over the people you get is nice. Now just have to figure out how its sectioned off and then the hunt for my favorites begins ;P
Eeuh Elieson, is Mega Man a Nintendo game?
Thanks for the catch. Capcom, not Nintendo, released Mega Man on mobile devices. That’s what I get for having just recent played the game on console and not paying attention to the opening banners
Sounds like you have to pay if you want a super specific team of characters (like how some people play Pokemon games), but can get by fine if you go with whoever the game generates. Pretty reasonable for FTP–kind of like a worldwide version of the TCG without the usual TCG nonsense. May throw them a few bucks just as a tip.
Still, given the choice between Cipher and Heroes, I’d have asked them for Cipher every time. We’ll see if Heroes can change my mind in the end.
“Nintendo Treehouse is responsible for the localization of Fire Emblem Heroes. They’re pretty reliable.”
You’re joking right? If they don’t make the game a total mess, I could trust them a little bit more, but there’s no way I can forgive them for all these bad localisations they’ve done so far, with just a mobile game. If FE Echoes have a good localization, then okay.
Also FE16 (Switch) is easy to get now thanks to it being completely region free in case any of their BS…
Can you please stop saying bad things about them?
Hey dude relax^^ I was just saying that the article seems to be really “cool” with Treehouse’s localization. I just want to believe they can do a good work like they used to. Now that the dust has settled a lot of people agree that Treehouse has made really bad decisions (censoring FE Fates more that it should have been and censoring TMS so much that it has barely anything in common with the original game(: and it flopped so hard) are the most known examples)
Its not! also its their opinion…
It’s not freedom of speech nor good opinion.
…How is it NOT freedom of speech?
And Treehouse’s localization of Fates being bad is far from an unwarranted opinion, a lot of it is based in fact.
That Treehouse’s translation was inaccurate at times (actually quite often) is fact.
That typos persist in more than just a few occurrences throughout the English script is fact.
That Treehouse removed game content is fact.
That Treehouse scrapped and re-wrote entire segments of text to be completely different from the original script is fact.
That the English dub is poor actually IS opinion (although if you think it was good I’d have to vigorously disagree), but that the Japanese audio was cut out entirely is fact.
People have every right to criticize these choices, since these are all things that make for poor localization. And they should, because these things shouldn’t be acceptable. Treehouse has become synonymous with shoddy localization due in no small part to how they handled Fates, and mere mention of their name attached to a game makes many people worry about the game in question. Especially considering that they are Nintendo’s main in-house localization team and will work on a majority of first- and second-party software.
What the hell are you talking about?! Yes it is…
Leave it be man. It seems these guys just don’t get the whole thing at all. I’m with you here that blaming the Treehouse is not the way to go.
So what? We just wait and see games with more and more content removed? Don’t tell me that TMS#FE had a good localization, the localized version really looks silly compared to the original one. I know Nintendo is really slow with understanding what they did well or wrong but come on, just because we get a localization means we should be happy and thankful even if it’s crap? Starfox Zero/Metroid FF were the new games from series the fans were waiting for and it turned out these games were not what the fans were waiting for. But they should be thankful only because they got a game?
Like I said earlier, Don’t blame the treehouse for the censoring content. Blame NoA because they get the full control over that kind of stuff.
And secondly, stop comparing localization and not getting a game you want here because they don’t even make any sense doing so.
Yeah keep being in denial…
No, they’ve been pretty bad and deserving of such low expectations. I mean, personally I think it was disrespectful of Treehouse to hand me Fire Emblem Fates with cut content and a heaping pile of their own garbage on top.
Not looking forward to whatever they do with Heroes, a lot of these are characters who haven’t had the chance to be ruined by them yet.
Well some of us are enjoying the game, the skin skip was really an odd mechanic and the some of the clothes are really weird. I’m ok, with everything else in Fire Emblem Fates also.
The skinship feature’s controversy was a cultural differences thing. Personally I’m more of the mind that these things shouldn’t be removed, rather they should be embraced to show the differences between cultures, but regardless of how one feels about it the fact remains that it was an optional game feature which they decided to remove. The simple answer is that it was deemed to be too sexual in nature, so they nixed it (rather late into the localization process it seems, as digging through the English voice files will show you some that would have been included with the feature), since Treehouse seems to despise any form of even remotely mature content; even in a series as not-kid-friendly as Fire Emblem, which frequently deals with unsavory topics such as racism, genocide, murder, and even taboo sexual topics like incest and occasionally even rape.
And the reason why I believe that last point is because other cultural things that came from Japan, such as the lottery drawings, remained unchanged (Google “garapon lottery” or just “Japanese lottery wheel” and you’ll see what I mean).
And the reason for the removal of certain clothing options wasn’t because they were “weird”, tons of weird clothes still exist in the US version of the game. It was because they showed skin, plain and simple.
It’s great if you can enjoy it for what it is, but as someone who had been eagerly consuming all available news about the game since it was first announced, I had a very good picture of what I was missing out on between the JP and NA versions and it soured the game experience for me. And the reason why I don’t like the thought that criticizing their localization is “disrespectful” to them is because I personally think Treehouse themselves were pretty disrespectful to both the game’s fans and original creators when they decided what of the game’s original content the consumers are or are not okay with.
That’s the last I’ll say on the subject, as I already went through these topics way too many times around the time Fates first came out.
So yeah… Heroes. Honestly looks a lot better than I thought, especially as far as a mobile game is concerned, but I’m still cautious about it. I see all the standard mobage fare that, after playing a few different ones, set off a bunch of red flags in my mind. But we’ll see how intrusive those things are once the game comes out.
That’s still no reason to blame the treehouse for that. Like I said previously, don’t blame treehouse because they are told what to do. Blame the NoA division as a whole.
And I agree with @kingmarth64:disqus, its really disrespectful to blame Treehouse for all this kind of stuff. You’re pretty much asking Nintendo to cause them to lose their jobs for something that they were ordered to do so.
Also to note…I don’t see what Fire Emblem Heroes has anything to do with the treehouse. If they are the ones doing the localisation of the game, then it would simply be impossible to censor that game for them since well…its on mobile so unlike consoles, its not that simple to censor content.
They can’t mess with the game itself, since I believe it only has a single server (meaning that game content is going to be the same across all regions), but what they can easily do is rewrite things. The sole difference will be the text and language option, the English version of which Treehouse will likely have full control over.
An example of what may happen here would be how KLab Games’s English localization team removed and/or edited numerous conversations in the English version of School Idol Festival that depicted homosexuality, but they were caught because many fans play both the JP and US versions of the game and noticed the discrepancies. After some public criticism they apologized and fixed the translation to be more accurate to the original, but that’s something that I don’t see Treehouse ever doing with any of their issues. Because A, they hardly ever respond to anything, B, when they do respond they double down and get defensive, and C, they’ve had ample time to do such for games they’ve messed with in the past.
Yes they and others can thank goodness for region free for Switch!
Doesn’t mean crap if people don’t care how it was and not just that was basterdized…
Dude that’s like… your opinion and stuff. Pretty much anything they removed was inconsequential to the overall game, so “a total mess” is excessive.
I was kind of more referring to TMS#FE than Fates (and the fact, that since Xeno X they seem to get worse and worse). I may be excessive, you’re right but when you look at these game and you compare them to PoR’s localization, you can see there’s a huge gap between them.
Literally Anyone Else > Nintendo Treehouse
Treehouse is not what it once was. Now It seems like it’s full of 25 year olds trying to emulate their favorite Anime, not the original version either, the terrible dubbed version. Fates had one of the worst localizations I’ve seen in a while. I can’t wait until switch is out and the new Fire Emblem is released so I can get the PAL version and play it region free and Treehouse free.
Yeah but the Treehouse will (sadly) continue to localize these games, we’ll only have the japanese version to play. I just want Nintendo of Europe to localize games without Treehouse interfering…
Agreed 100%!
What the hell you’re talking about? Their localizations are great. What you’re referring to is censoring which isn’t just treehouse alone but what NoA is in general. They have always been known to censor things that Japanese games often had.
Look at other games that they localized besides Fire Emblem. They have done great jobs into translating the Mario games, Kirby games etc. The reason why Fire Emblem is often censored is because Fire Emblem has some dark moments that is begging NoA to censor them in the first place.
Why Fates did not have dual voice? Because the Japanese game is slightly dark than the one that’s localized.
So don’t blame the treehouse for the censoring. Blame the whole NoA division for doing so because they aren’t ordered by NCL to censor content so its NoA’s free will to censor it if they so wish to.
No its not it was complete garbage…
Fates and Awakening had terrible *scripts*. I don’t know that you can blame Treehouse for that. It seems like the writers have taken all of the worst elements of modern anime.
While the scripts may have been rather clunky for both, the localisation of Awakening was loads better than Fates. I wouldn’t blame the VAs, though- they did their jobs well- but rather whoever was the director for just some God-awful decisions (mentally-challenged Effie and Helium Nyx, for example). Their adaptations for some of the supports were terribly bland, too.
As for the censoring- I’m actually not really mad about that. There are cultural differences to account for, and Soleil’s support was doomed no matter what they did. The MyRoom/petting thing is pretty awkward either way.
Nah (no, not Nah)- the main appeal of Fates is really gameplay and music. The character writing was fairly weak overall, and the voicework ranges from quite decent (Azura, getting someone who could actually sing was a smart move), to just plain insulting (Effie).
On a more positive note- at least from what we’ve seen- the localisation of Heroes seems to be shaping up fairly well. The voicework is solid, anyways. The writing remains to be seen.
I lol at the treehouse remark just no….anyway I hope I don’t see any BS things and bad writing for this…
From what we got in the trailers, they seem to be doing okay. Better than Fates, anyway.
Hopefully they got rid of the poison people on their team 2 of which are mental but so far it looks alright.
Ehhhh, Treehouse is far from great. I think, their localizations were far from good. Not even “so bad it’s good” level.
You know what worse? Treehouse translations will be in every Nintendo game. Truly, sad times ahead.
”Nintendo Treehouse” is responsible for the localization of Fire Emblem Heroes, they’re pretty reliable.” lol that’s a joke right
Still can’t access it. Aus here.
Holy god the fandom went downhill
Congrats to both of you!
It’s just me or you just can’t have japanese voice with any other written language?
Even with the japanese version of the game after changing the game language to anything that is not japanese it force resetted itself to install (and change to) the english voices.
No way to change that, as far as anyone has figured out.
I should have expected this, really. Hopefully somebody will get a hacked .apk out that fixes this.
Doesn’t seem to be avaliable on the Pacific coast yet. Don’t know if that’s just my area/timezone, or if the whole of America is waiting. And does it require contant internet? I presume that it does.
Still waiting on the East Coast as well :). Yes it requires you to be constantly connected to the internet
Alright, I’ll wait. 83 Hm. I figured that it did, but my dinky phone can’t handle big games, so it’ll probably be on my tablet. But it doesn’t look like itneeds you online every hour, so it should be okay.
Download an apk to play it right now lol.
Or I could wait like a patient person. It was only a little bit until it was released, and I don’t have to worry about any hiccups.
Is it out for US yet? Link to Apple Store maybe? I only have iOS and i know it’s for Japan and UK but I rather wait for US version. Any news yet? Thanks I know I’m asking a lot I just wanna play it.
Got a 5 star Marth and a 4 star Roy on my first roll 🙂
Anyone else having trouble linking their Nintendo account to the game?
For some reason it works on my computer (linked to register and for voting), but I can’t get it to work from my phone for the game itself.
Getting error 803 3100 after playing for awhile
“Compatible with Android 4.2”
…I have an Android 4.1… Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
So wasn’t my plan to reroll my game, figured I’d just live with who I got but 3 green and 2 gray orbs. Azuma, Wrys, Gunter, Barst, and Cecilia Rank 3 all of them. All people I really couldn’t care much about. So rerolled and got 5 star Lyn so yeah call that a good trade off.
Best part is that now they’ll have to add the Heroes characters to Cipher. Maybe if Heroes gets popular enough and we can get word out, we can get them to internationalize it.
Yes, yes, I know about it being out for a year and a half now, but does that really mean I must give up hope for Cipher in English?
Is there a light version or an apk that is better for weaker phones? Because I’m a huge FE fan, I’ve been so hype for this & now I can’t even get passed the tutorial before it crashes. I don’t want to miss all these cool 1st month events. What should I do?
Not sure if it’s viable, but if you have a fairly new-ish PC or laptop, you could try looking into Bluestacks, the Android emulator. That’s what I’ve been using to play Heroes when I’m at home.
Might not be the right place for this, but something that I’ve found interesting is how tanky the healers are. I’ve actually put Lissa and Serra right on the frontlines to soak up hits. I suppose it make sense, as keeping them out of harms way would be a lot tougher with how scaled-down the maps and movement are.
One orb per map is appallingly low, though- given the cost of summoning. If you don’t want to be throwing money at them, you’d best pray for some good units and stick with them for a while.
It may be just grey units in general, since Virion (4*) is good at taking hits too.
Grey Units are outside the triangle, so it would make sense as the weapon triangle only affects damage now.
I meant simply in stats. They have remarkably good Defense as well as Resistance. Normally they’re quite fragile, but now I often use them to hold chokepoints while I set up kills for my other characters who are either too slow or too squishy to face more than one enemy at a time.
I somehow got a 5 star Robin and Jacob on the first roll…….. Someone help me I think I broke something!
Wait, it’s halved?
Only for the Training Tower, not for any special recruitment levels, normal Story Chapters, or Paralogues, but yes.
For those with a My Nintendo Account linked, you can also obtain Platinum Coins for completing chapters, which you can use on non-FEH rewards or on FEH stuff, like packs of 500 Universal Crystals/Shards, Stamina Potions, Light’s Blessings, or Dueling Crests. You can also use your normal Platinum Coins on FEH stuff, so if you have a bunch of PCs in your account that you weren’t planning on using for anything there(the selection has kind of sucked for a while now), then there’s a way to nab some free levels, Stamina, or retries without having to dig out the wallet.
Awesome very good for me!!!
Oh thank goodness.
Free stuff is always good.
Good to see that they’re not gonna be total dicks about the in-game resources.
Be nice if there were more/better ways to get freaking feathers, though. And some way to upgrade your stamina- it’s absolutely prohibitive at higher levels.
If you have a My Nintendo Account linked, you get 100 Platinum Coins after every chapter cleared, and you can buy either a Dueling Crest or a Stamina Potion for 100 PCs. That should in theory do something for you.
Fuck. Wish I knew that earlier.
I did link for the voting period on my computer, but for some reason I’m having trouble linking my account on my phone.
If you’re able to get your account linked, I think you should be able to go get the Coins even if you completed the Chapters first, but I’m not sure. Also, I don’t know if you heard, but you also get 10 Orbs free if your account is linked.
Can confirm you can get them after.
I can’t confirm, but it does say the requirements for each of those Missions is simply that the Chapter say it’s completed, so if you link after completing it would make sense for it to count. On the other hand, it IS Nintendo we’re talking about, so they may have not thought of that. If there’s anyone left who didn’t link before playing who’d be willing to check, that’d be great.
We’ll know soon whether or not feathers are easier to get. Right now we’re all in the lowest arena tier, 7th platoon. After they’re done tabulating tomorrow some of us will have moved up to a higher tier where the rewards would likely be higher.
So, after the 15th, how does a F2Per get orbs!?
They’re likely going to add new events and maps. Most mobile games do so.
If you haven’t spent them all already, I’d also suggest saving at least 20 orbs for when they add new characters.
Not surprising for the retweets being fast.
Can we have 100.000 feathers for 100.000 retweet?
Keep your fingers crossed – I believe they’ve done stuff like that in the past but aren’t certain. Either way, hope for a yes.
Don’t rely on Twitter’s translation feature too much, it can be wrong. It actually reads that you will receive a 3* character for playing the new map, which I assume will be Narcian.
Actually technically it says we have a ‘chance’ at getting a 3* character, but I assume that just means you have to win the map.
Yeah, I translated it a few different ways at first, but learned the proper translation a bit ago. The article has since been fixed. 🙂
Come on Lyn!!!
Well look like my girl won and is the highest overall!!!
Asking for a 5* one would be too much, but i feel like they could do a 3* lunatic mode on the normal ones and do 4* for special events.
I hope that something like this may happen in the future (even if it’s limited) as they continue to add new content to the game.
They should make it options like lunatic to earn 5*
Hm, how about 30k feathers for NoE, NoA and NoJ meeting the goal?
Love the analysis. Was slowing down the trailer myself trying to pick out all the little details that flashed by so quickly. Thanks to this very detailed analysis I put it all together with my thoughts in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3LnxR6eDY Check it out if you want a visual representation. Serenes <3
i haven’t gotten the email or received the 200 platinum medals. Has it not happened yet?
It’s only 2/8, it’ll happen tomorrow
I received my email yesterday
Edit: as a matter of fact I’ve had the coins since 2/1/2017. I just noticed on my account
And so it all boils down to this…
Who won? Did Ike carry his lead to the end, or did Our Boy manage to wrest the title at the last second?! THE SUSPENSE IS PRACTICALLY TANGIBLE!!!!!
Lyn and PoR Ike won
Seriously, bro? I didn’t want spoilers.
Ah, well. At least they decided to give Roy a fancy new getup too. Hey, wonder if Cipher’s going to do any Promo cards for them in their CYL gear in the future!
I hope it allows us to get a 4 star Narcian on hard mode.
I already have a few 3 star characters, and I’m only using one of them.
Lyn LITERALLY for the win!!!! and Ike fought for many friends!
So… By this we can judge that the most popular FE character is Ike, followed by Lyn… What a surprise… lol
Lyn got more votes than Ike.
Ikes votes were split between PoR and RD taking spot 1 and 5… Together… Ike got the most votes with over 51000
Doesn’t matter its barely a gap any way and officially not counted.
*disregards information saying it’s barely a gap and then says it not officially counted* sounds a lot like the presedential election haha. To each there own. But to me it’s this way. Which character got the most votes. Answer Ike (no one says Ike from Path of Radiance is the most popular character people only ever say the character)
No stop trying to hide facts also 1. There different personality, age and appearance wise 2. People prefer PoR Ike to RD Ike they are 2 version that count as 2 characters also its about both MALE and FEMALE so this doesn’t matter the results are obviously final.
They are the same character that’s the point haha. Of course people prefer por to Rs Ike. But it’s still Ike :). Alsooooo. If it doesn’t matter why argue ? :). I’m not ignoring disregarding facts. Lyn beat path of radiance ike and she beat radiant dawn Ike. Never said she didn’t. Said she didn’t beat Ike 🙂 which she didn’t. Lyn got less votes than Ike. Is that not true?
Not the point of the poll its Males and Females separately does it matter just be happy Awakening/Fates outside Lucina took a backseat.
Not your point. But my point throughout this whole thing was Ike got the most votes. Ike =most popular. Not Ike won or that it was male vs female. But agreed. Yay awakening and gates not winning
I have no idea why they decided to split him tho.
I’m trying to figure out why anyone gives a crap about whether merging the two made any difference – Ike won the Male vote no matter how they split it and had absolutely nothing to do with Lyn because they split it into Gender Lists, the only difference to the Top 20 list that would have happened had they merged individual character votes is that Marth would have beat Chrom by 774 votes, and that would only have changed the order of the calendars.
From my point of view at least. It’s this. When a company conducts a popularity test from characters etc. it’s usually used in the marketing material for following games. Ike in smash and all that. So it will be interesting to see what happens. Roy is in smash because he was “popular”. While I enjoy Ssb FE has been my favourite series for over 15 years. So while it doesn’t really matter either way. It’s interesting to see how they will market things in the future. Using the chrom and marth thing as an example. Marth technically got more votes than chrom. Wouldn’t it be interesting (it won’t happen pretty much guaranteed) if chrom was used in promotiona material such as ssb instead of Marth. Lyn instead of Ike I’m sure some people would be happy about whereas others wouldn’t care. So it matters in a way that is if it has any influence on what they choose to promote. Things like this interest me. What can I say
Ah, alright then. I would, however, like to point out that Roy’s game wasn’t actually out yet in Japan when Melee was released – he was initially put into Smash to sell his own game, he and Marth were only kept in the overseas version because Nintendo’s overseas audience took an interest in the two mysterious swordsmen. Maybe his appearance in Smash 4 is popularity-based, but that wasn’t the initial case. Not trying to nitpick, I’m just kind of particular about the details when it comes to Roy. As for Lyn’s popularity, I can’t help but wonder if SSB had anything to do with that as well, seeing as how she’s been an Assist Trophy twice, and is perhaps the one Assist Trophy people(at least FE fans I know) want as a fighter more than anyone besides Waluigi, who I’m thankful isn’t in despite completing the set because we have too many Mario characters as is. Frankly, I really didn’t care too much about CYL, I was more hoping Nintendo would use Heroes as the stepping stone to introduce Cipher to their overseas fans, beginning by adding Alphonse and Sharena into Cipher, then including Shade, Emma, Yuzu, and Lando in Heroes as a special event, and hopefully finally releasing the TCG to the rest of the world.
Yeah I know Roy’s game wasn’t out for melee. That was pure promotional material for a future release. I was referring to sm4sh. Also. Ghirahim is another assist trophy that most people wanted as a character I believe. But yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said
What happened to Dorcas? I put him in 12th place. HAHAHAHA!
Lyn has the most votes overall with the split even still alot regardless.
Ummm… no? Ike got 33,871 plus 17,864 which equals 51,555 over Lyn’s 49,917
So what? Their not counting split votes as one.
I didn’t say they were. I said Ike is the most popular character. Not Ike won the official vote. Look at the original post. And the results support that!
Ike wins with the overall votes bypassing 50,000. id say its a shame his votes were split but because of the split, Chrom managed to sneak 4th place over Marth, and Ike gets to be TWICE in the calendar.
I think the best part is Dorcas ALMOST getting on the calendar, and Eliwood beating male Corrin by earning the 19th place at the last minute, proving Elibe saga has a place in everyones hearts.
Also everyone hear? Sigurd most popular geneology character at 55th place. EVEN while obscure he got a crapton of votes. I can’t wait for his return.
Ayra is also decent at 65th, and if you sum all three Finn’s incarnations together he is around Seth level.
And ****ing ARDEN was in the TOP 100.
I love Dorcas! but seriously 12th place? (that’s great actually) I know he had like the highest HP for a low level (30 at lvl.3) and got 80% HP growth. He can easily top 60 hp without an seraph/angelic robe. Imagine him in FE10 (which you can surpass 60HP)
What the hell? How is Roy that popular if the guy is so damn boring? It should be Eliwood being there not his damn son.
I wonder if Smash somehow has to do with Ike and Roy being there in the list. I’m quite happy that Lyn made it top though as she’s my favorite lord and the same goes for Hector as well.
Smash is the main reason Roy is even on that list. Same could be said for RD Ike. Well, at least Eliwood made it into the Top 20 so there’s that.
Ghee..Thanks Masahiro Sakurai for advertising a boring character instead of a well thought out character.
Well it could’ve been Leif would that have been better for you?
May I point out that at least some of Lyn’s popularity comes from her inclusion in Smash as an Assist Trophy? Or that there are people who believe Lyn is a boring character and are just as pissed about her as you are about Roy? So Roy is more popular than Eliwood – I understand why, and I understand why you’re bugged about it, but it could honestly be worse.
I don’t see how Lyn is a boring character except in Lyn’s mode. Lyn makes a whole lot more sense to win that vote because she’s memorable and fun to use unlike Roy who’s absolute crap.
I don’t pretend to understand it either, I love Lyn and I’m happy that she won, even though I personally would have chosen someone far more obscure, such as Limstella(how on earth they planned to make that make sense considering Limstella is officially genderless is beyond me) or Idunn, but the fact is that some people do consider Lyn a boring character and those people probably aren’t pleased she won, most likely citing her Assist Trophy status in Smash as ‘the only reason she won’ which sounds ridiculous to me.
Well a little surprised by the results but there still good. My choice Jill got 175 (PoR) and 183 (RD) overall which stinks a little but out of 791 entrants its not terrible so I wont complain……to loudly. Am happy to see Mia and Nephenee up there though.
I know that feel bro 🙁 But hey at least PoR Ike won.
After combining his total the Black Knight has 11683 votes, that’s pretty cool.
Male list: Well, expected and it’s nice to see Eliwood make it into the Top 20.
Female list: Bleh, at least Nino went up by one.
If we do end up getting the winners as units I’ll most likely send Lyn home for some feathers.
Lyn has two insane attack skills. Astra does 150% bonus damage, and she’s the only one besides Cordelia to get Galeforce.
Not as broken as Takumi and Hector with their counter skills, but still.
I’d expect those characters to get nerfed at some point. The Astra skill as well. She’ll still get sent home all the same.
Which characters are you talking about, though?
Because most of those characters are already in. Going through the lists, there’s only about 5 from either one that aren’t (I’m counting both Ikes as one).
I thought I didn’t have to point it out: Lyn, Takumi, Hector and their “OP” skills. Clogging the arena with those isn’t fun at all especially if it’s for someone who didn’t pull any of those 3 characters.
Sorry, I should have clarified that I was asking in relation to your initial comment; “If we do end up getting the winners as units I’ll most likely send Lyn home”.
Save for Ike, we do have the winners as units- so I was curious who you may be referring to.
Unless you meant you specifically getting those characters, in which your usage of the word “we” instead of “I” threw me off your meaning. Shared account?
Yes, I’ll definitely send Lyn home and Ike’s fate depends on his design. I already have a 5* Lucina so I don’t feel a need to have a second one while Roy would stay unless I get one form the gacha and that’s because I want to reunite him with both Eliwood and Ninian later down the line.
Tharja, Henry, and Nowi are the highest non-lord/main characters. Interesting.
Really liking the overall Tellius representation and both Ephraim and Eirika making it to the calendar rankings.
Utterly stunned at Dorcas’ placement.
I voted Ilyana the entire time and she’s made it to 150th/160th! That’s an ok result I think.
I’ll ask this once: Who is the dunce who got Arden into the top 100?
What trash results. Not even surprised no one I voted for made it onto this list, but it was completely predictable which characters would’ve won in the first place.
lmao tharja give me a break
It’s simple mathematics.
The newbies only have two games to pick from, whereas us veterans had to pick from the entire series.
Of course Awakening and Fates characters were going to have a higher concentration of votes. Not to mention the fact that many of us also like some of the characters from those two games.
Yeah, as I said, it makes sense. But that alone doesn’t mean I relish it.
Popularity contests in general is not really something that matters a lot to me, since they’re always prone to a massive amount of bias. I’m in this for the strategy, anyway. But it’s still disappointing to see what is happening to this series.
What do you mean?? I am also an old hardcore Fire emblem fan but i am loving the direction the series are taking… Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates deserve a lot of the credit as 3DS hits but we must not forget that it all started with Super Smash Bros melee and Fire Emblem Blazing Sword !!! Hope someday Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia receives the same treatment from Fire Emblem gaiden!!!
I think he means that we’ve started calling it “Waifu Emblem” among other things – there did seem to be a bit more focus on the marriage part of the game than perhaps was necessary. On the other hand, I would point out that “Waifu Emblem 1” AKA Awakening is what kept the series from suffering the fate of Metroid – no real releases, every now and then something thrown out to shut the outcry up for two days, etc.
Ohhh i get it now… If i am not wrong marriage first appeared in Fire emblem Genealogy of Holy War. Even in Awakening always thought the marriage and children only as more strategical/skills heritance than the Waifu part. And joining some unconventional couples was fun! Not much big deal!! The series continues as strategic and rewardfull as ever!
First off, ‘rewardfull’ isn’t a word – you’re looking for ‘rewarding’. I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, I just…may be something of a word Nazi.
Second, not everyone can always appreciate the strategy part of the Child characters without feeling a little dating sim-ed – I had one or two such moments in Awakening and Fates, so maybe it’s not a big deal to you or me, but there are players who will have issues with that, just like there will always be Pokemon players who will complain about literally any and all new Pokemon because ‘Gen 1 was the only TRUE Pokemon’. The sheer amount of fan art for Awakening and Fates certainly hasn’t helped either, so blowing it off like that – and I’m assuming you aren’t trying to blow it off, but ‘your concern is not a big deal’ may sound that way to some people – doesn’t generally help.
Also, you’re correct, Genealogy was the first with marriage, but most people don’t count it because it’s never been legally released to 90% of the world.
*spoilers* Also I think the big key difference between Genealogy and Fates is that the children were literally completely crucial to the story. I will admit Lucina played a role in Awakening… But the other children had virtually no role in it unless your counting Future Past. I think the other large difference is the writing in the games.
Genealogy: You play as a character for a few chapters who is then murdered…. In the years coming his son avenges him etc etc.
Awakening: These children come from a future that was destroyed and have come back to change the past….. Hmm yeah personally I am not a fan of “people coming from he future” as a plot device, it feels cheap. All the children are aged conveniently just so you can marry them… SIIIIIIGH
Fates: Deeprealms…. Absolutely atrocious plot device. Just… far too free. Like seriously. All children are literally useless to the plot completely (again barring DLC) Oh and hey look once again…. all the children are aged where you can marry them… SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHH.
Don’t get me started on the storytelling of the new games….
Ops my bad … Sorry about that! English is not my native language and my cellphone auto correction is making mistakes!! And not a problem i really appreciate your intent!!!! I really respect others opinion and think its right… Just wanted to point out that despite Awakening having Massive fan service it evolves the combat with dual combat and others features. Yeah it is a shame that Fire Emblem 4 and 5 don t have Western releases… Not everyone can have it or understand japanese. But i hope it will change in the future as it will happen with Fire emblem gaiden!
Chances are that you are more open to change than I am, either that or you aren’t as into the series as I’ve been. Awakening is a terrible FE game, it’s been proven time and time again, and my stance on that won’t change. The fans have been split into two at this point, and that’s even more evident when looking at the two versions of Fates.
The game is just really casual and has no real depth do it other than the shipping aspect, which even then is quite bare-bones. It doesn’t give me a feeling of FE.
First I’d like to see how Valentia turns out before asking for FE4&5. If they’re going to add in a casual mode and more useless shipping (because that’s effectively what it is), you can count me out.
Fire Emblem is my favourite series… Played All the games more than once except Fire Emblem Gaiden… Fire Emblem 4 is the Best of all, Fire Emblem PoR is my favourite. Fire Emblem Awakening can have a lot of defects but is not casual by Any means… assuming you are playing on lunatic or above and in Classic mode! I think i am a little more open to changes than you do… But its alright! Just happy Fire Emblem is gaining attention it deserves. After Radiant Dawn i thought FE would vanish like it happened with some of Nintendo franchises.
Always nice to see a fellow fan. I, too, have played through each title quite a few times each. Sacred Stones was my first and I’ve played it for more than 1.5k hours in total. But here’s the thing, I still think SS is a pretty bad FE game, even though I personally enjoy it for what it is. It’s not very challenging, it gives you the ability to grind endlessly, and you can easily solo the game with Seth if you’d like.
This exact problem is present in Awakening too. I started on Lunatic, but after seeing that the enemies are only strong due to their inflated stats rather than making use of the maps and other strategic points (similar to Shadow Dragon’s 3-5* HM’s), I backed down to Hard so I could enjoy a more balanced game and not Frederick Emblem. However, in Hard, you can literally just pair up Chrom and Robin and solo through the entire game with just those two units. Add in the ability to grind endlessly, something I feel doesn’t belong in Fire Emblem, and you have a pretty bad game on your hands.
It makes me sad because a lot of new people are only interested in FE because of the dating sim aspect. Just go to r/fireemblem and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Full of people shitposting, coming up with characters to ship together, and general nonsense that is simply not what Fire Emblem used to be. Almost no talk about the strategic depths of the games and things that I do enjoy.
So yeah, I’m quite salty at what the fandom has turned into, but that’s just me I guess.
No not at all!!! You are right and you are not alone!!! It is good to be concerned about the future… Good or bad it is a Nintendo move try to pleases everyone with its franchises… I guess just the sales from old/hardcore fans was not enough…
And What you said about some pokemon fans is right but i have a feeling it happens with all old franchises: Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Paper Mario, Zelda… i could go on all the day. Today is more easy for the new IPs to please everyone than the older ones…
What was the placement of Xander and Inigo?
Xander: 42
Inigo: 63
Congratulations, Lyn and Ike! I’m glad I voted for both of them.
I hope there’s something similarly awesome for us humble westerners…
I think POW is all your stat (excluded MOV) + HP (I’m not sure but I used a calculator). Also I remark there is no MAG or STR, just ATK. (like in Fire Emblem Gaiden or the GBA one). oh and thanks for this site Vincent! (I check out this website since Radiant Dawn when I need information!).
いかづちのけん and いかづちの剣 are the same thing.
On the NES/Famicom, it generally wasn’t feasible to use kanji, so games typically used hiragana in its place. However, nowadays, there’s no excuse and kanji is more friendly to read.
That’s also why Alm’s class (Senshi/Fighter) is written in kanji and not hiragana.
Very interesting that the stats are similar/identical though.
I’m still a beginner at japanese but I know ken is sword/blade but 剣 is けん (google translate help me ahaha).
I remark there is a sword after the name of the class (similar to Gaiden, which demonstrate it too?).
now i’m worried with what kind of reception the game could have thanks to stupid media focus of what makes fire emblem a fire emblem
Haven’t seen any of that tbh. What do they say?
Me too. I honestly think that this might not sell as well as expected from Nintendo.
What timing too…if only they removed marriage in Fates….
Movies as in, the in game cinematics?
So like would there be anyway for me to get this? living in the US? Highly doubt America is getting something like this
Easy enough on paper – convince someone in Japan to get it and send it to you.
I actually tried this maybe playasia will resell some >.>
If you have okay understanding of Japanese use forwarding service eg Tenso or Big In Japan (I use this). Fill in the address of the forwardee and they will ship it to you once they receive the items.
Gonzalez made top 20 for Binding Blade characters.
Nice.
How awesome would it be if he became one of the next Focus characters.
Ok…that HD movie alone sounds like they can easily port RD and PoR to Switch….
Gotta wait till someone extracts the HD collection!
Too bad Path of Radiance isn’t included in the HD collection.
I’m happy Hector got 3rd for males, and in general that the Top 20 on both sides wasn’t entirely made up of Awakening, Fates, and playable Smash characters. I am a bit annoyed about the vote splitting, though, seeing as Tellius characters would’ve done better if that wasn’t the case. Neph would’ve come in 10th and Mia 11th on the female side, Black Knight 12th male (or 13th if Ike didn’t also get combined), and Soren 15th male. Also, combining FE7 and FE6 Eliwood would’ve put him above Niles (Hector still wouldn’t have beaten Roy, though)
That said, I will also say, this shows how much influence the western fanbase really has, since until you reach Sigurd, everyone but Roy was from a game that actually came out over here. (And Roy was in Smash, so…)
Hooray for Genealogy cards. I’m still waiting for Laylea! Too bad substitutes are probably low on the totem pole.
Wait, why is Chrom the Risen King?
It’s part of the special plot for this particular series. They envision an alternate timeline where Chrom fails and is turned into a King of the Risen by Grima. Likely it will dovetail somewhat with events as they’re presented in the Future Past DLC chapters.
Don’t give a wyvern’s plop about 13 and 14’s cutscenes, but HD CUTSCENES FROM RADIANT DAWN? I NEEEEEEEEEED THIS!
I need to save up my orbs.
Aaaargh, and I STILL don’t have Marth and I’m running out of Orbs for the game to give me. I guess I can keep rolling red, though, since he and Eirika are both red units, but I don’t like the odds going down.
“It’s hard to tell from this single screenshot, but we imagine the game’s English translation will be high-quality as usual.”
Please no. You’re giving me Fates flashbacks.
Sorry, I’m only speaking of the quality of the content that we got. I know it sucks that content was cut, but what we did get was great. Or at least as good as it could get since the original Japanese script wasn’t exactly a work of art : P
It’s not the cut content that bothers me. I’m also aware how the JP script wasn’t a work of art. I just find it hard not to partially blame NoA for the constant cringes I get whenever I’m reading the dialogue or the support conversations.
*CougheverythingElliesaysinEnglishCough*
I remember a lot of adaptations that changed the characters completely (like Niles or Effie) and I can’t call that good translation :/ I know it only from other people, though, can’t estimate that myself.
Yeah, please just stop saying it was the “greatest”. When it comes to localization, lately the news from this site seems to praise NoA and Treehouse work on the games. Some things were great, some were not. Just stop “praising” it.
Hmm, I didn’t find particular issue w/ the Fates translation; care to provide an example w/ Jpn vs. Eng text?
I actually found most English release FE’s to have dialogue that reads decently, though I can’t speak to how well each is translated since I don’t know Japanese =O
It wasn’t exactly how it read, but the content. Honestly, the other FE games were fine. I can’t speak for the accuracy, because these sound like disgruntled fans, but their translation doesn’t make the english sound that great….
http://imgur.com/gallery/X2w49
ah i see, that saizoxberuka convo’s definitely an egregious example – though it seems more to be an issue of censorship than of translation; willing to bet the censors were behind blanking out that convo considering the heavy topic [which is a real shame, since i’m willing to bet the vast majority of fates’ audience is older than ~13, and woulda appreciated seeing it]; however, it’s equally unfortunate there wasn’t some way for the localizers to come up w/ another convo to replace that one, rather than “…”
I don’t really think that was a censorship issue. I think it was likely a joke in poor taste, poking fun at the two quiet types in the game.
I mean, Saizo and Beruka’s less than glamorous lives are kept fully in other supports.
I would say it’s really just disgruntled fans…like overly disgruntled with freakishly high standards and zero tolerance for this kind of stuff. Because the Leo x Xander example is just….ugh….who cares? In the end who really cares except them? The change in their speaking tone literally did not break anything from the game. The Saizo x Beruka C-support was just a really poor joke done on the translators part. But to be frank, I would take silence over having 2 characters just state their jobs. Because that C-support was so boring. It’s not the whole “Oh they don’t like to talk a lot” nope, it was literally just 2 characters meeting each other and bluntly saying their jobs. I’m not even going to bother touching on the Soleli thing. Her very character existence/personality needed a major change. Her personality is more understood over in Japan considering the whole “Harmless experimentation of youth” thing they have going on but in America we just call that being a gay-tease.
Like I know it sucked that some of the things that were removed and changed, and that some of the supports in the American version were more cringy, but these people are literally only using the same mundane examples that have literally have not much of a significance in the game. It’s people demanding for perfection, which perfection is impossible when the original product wasn’t even that good *coughs* Not like Fates story was even that good to begin with
I suspect these will be new focus characters after the current rotation ends. Here’s hoping they add more chapters for more orb opportunities. I’ve only got 3 chapters left and I still need to finish the castle XP upgrades.
Why would you assume the magic is draining her HP just because she was damaged while fighting an enemy? Wouldn’t the natural assumption be that… y’know… a DIFFERENT enemy already damaged her?
Wait, I missed the “4” being the HP drain… woops.
Well, that really sucks. I hate bringing back dated mechanics for “authenticity” or whatever. The point of a remake is to *improve* upon the game, now that they have the technology to do so and they’ve outgrown Early Installment Weirdness. If the point was to make it just like the original you might as well just play the original.
Having fixed hit rates is annoying, too. The skill stat is there for a reason…
It goes both ways. If the hit rate is fixed, that means it won’t go down for you either. So you just take advantage of that.
“Draining your HP” isn’t exactly a dated mechanic. It’s just different. That mechanic isn’t even related to old or new technology, but was a design choice. If it has purpose in the old game, I think it should transfer to the new game.
I’m questioning how much “purpose” it had, though, or if they were just trying it out to see how it worked. Considering the whole “all spells are Cast From Hit Points” was only used in the second game, you’d think that they decided it wasn’t good. That’s what I mean by “dated” in this context… it was an old mechanic that was abandoned for not being that good (especially considering how squishy mages usually are, it seems crazy that they’re the ones whose HP are getting drained just by attacking.)
But then, if there’s a story reason for it (apparently they just… don’t have tomes on the continent of Valentia or something??), I would understand why they would keep it.
It’s not just a mechanics thing, it’s very important to the Fire Emblem lore IMO.
Back in the NES/SNES era, it was stated that magic tomes and staves are tools used to alleviate the stress on spell-casters. However in Gaiden, they don’t have tomes or staves and thus must use their full body to cast magic–hence the HP reduction.
This is echoed in Radiant Dawn when Micaiah uses her healing powers (the Sacrifice skill) without the aid of staff.
That said, I won’t disagree that combining lore and gameplay mechanics isn’t always the best choice. Also, in Echoes the spell icon looks like a magic tome (despite the user not holding a tome), which makes my head hurt.
They… they what?
WHY DIDN’T THEY HAVE TOMES
The more I see and hear of this game, the more excited I get. It’s quite a departure from the way Fates and Awakening look, right down to the GUI and the font they used. It really gives weight to the idea that this game is a visit to the long-forgotten past, and yet it’s slick as hell. I am a little worried about the absence of certain classic Fire Emblem mechanics, but at the same time all the differences will encourage change in strategy and in gameplay to make things new.
I hope this sells like hotcakes and comes out on the same day as Japan.
This looks super weird and interesting, I like it!
What about Amelia?
I’m more interested in Saber’s screenshot. Does this show that the conversations will be more character-to-player (a good example would be like Phoenix Wright), completely forgoing the 1-on-1 convo seen in Awakening, or the group conversations in the FE7-10?
the character models look nice int he battle scene
Glad to see they are keeping key mechanics from the original. Hopefully some of the mechanics don’t turn off newer players due to how different they are from the recent games. Let’s just hope the game sells well so Nintendo will be incentivized to ”remaster” other older games from the series like Genealogy/Thracia, Binding/Blazing/Sacred and the Tellius ones.
I’m almost certain if this does well, Binding Blade has to be next Roy at least I’d assume so. Would really love Genealogy next but I think Binding next would be a smart move especially since Roy doesn’t have a game out in the West in English ;~:.
On the subject of echoes really happy they are trying to stay true to the original. HP costs for spells staying in totally was a shock to me.
I’d be kind of interested to see what Nintendo/IS would do for a Genealogy remake, but yeah Binding Blade would be awesome especially since they would be able to fix all the issues that game had. Yeah kind of surprised they are staying so true to the original game here, will definitely make the cranky outspoken elitists happy at least.
Some observations:
1) Alphonse, Sharena, Veronica, and El Dark Summoner Guy will get Cipher cards, so yay for that. I’m calling Cost 1 Anna for the final advent of the 100-Anna-Deck – 100 Anna cards with Anna as Main Character.
2) Matsushita’s announcements may or may not be setting up for Shade/Emma/Yuzu/Lando to be featured in Heroes. If this occurs, I’m calling it as a test to see if they can build interest in Cipher for a worldwide release as they’ll pretty much have to release any of the above four they choose to add to the entire world. This is not likely, but as nobody has officially stated they do not intend to internationalize Cipher it cannot be discarded as impossible just yet. For now, let’s hope and pray for the Cipher characters to come to Heroes, even if it doesn’t lead to worldwide Cipher – let’s be honest, we all want to know what the official voices for those four would be.
3) Fire Emblem Warriors, like Hyrule Warriors before it, will almost undoubtedly contain exclusive characters, as the only other option is special Cipher cards featuring Units wielding different weapons or in different outfits than normal, and they can just Promo those kinds of things. I’m tentatively suggesting a separate Color for Warriors cards, meaning Lords like Marth, Chrom, Lucina, etc. will then be available in two or more Colors.
4) They pretty much skipped over Thracia’s upcoming inclusion in Cipher. Because of this, I’m calling Thracia cards as more Yellow cards instead of getting their own Color, using Finn’s cards as evidence – he specifically states he buffs Leif, and most cards don’t specifically buff cards of other Colors outside of Black/White.
I admire your optimism in thinking that we might still get an English Cipher release. 😛
And, yeah, Thracia is practically confirmed for Yellow. There’s no reason at all for it to have another colour. More interesting will be if Gaiden and/or SS get unique colours. I’m hoping they do, though there are some reasons as to why they may not, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
I’m fairly positive that both will get unique Colors, though one of the guys I play Cipher with suggested that Gaiden cards may be Red like Archanean cards. Not certain why SS wouldn’t get its own color, but hey, maybe. As for Worldwide Cipher, a lot of people whine about it already being out for a year and a half, but look at Yu-Gi-Oh! – stuff gets released to the OCG MONTHS before we even get hints of getting it ourselves.
People think SS may not get its own colour mostly for meta/gameplay reasons. It’s a single game continent that has a very small cast of characters, so it would be hard to maintain support for a new colour just for it.
Personally, I’m not convinced that’s a strong enough reason myself, but I’m anxious to learn the truth either way. 🙂
Shit. I still need a Lucina and I only have the stamina-killing Lunatic chapters to get more orbs for just one more round of summoning.
Wish there was an option to trade in characters of equivalent star value. I don’t see myself using Roy very often.
Also- although I don’t know Genealogy- the artwork for those two and the twins is fucking top-notch. Eirika and Epraim are some damned fancy mofos, here.
I already got Narcian on Normal, because I’m NOT risking my stamina into getting him on Hard. None of my units are powerful enough to get him! Hell, even my 5 star Marth and my 5 star Tharja are not enough!
Well, it looks like the current banner is gonna end up soon, and I only got my 5-star Marth, nobody else, because half of my units are not the ones I hoped for, and they’re all 3-star units! So, I might as well say goodbye to Young Tiki, Roy, Lyn, Robin, Lucina, Takumi, and Camilla, they’ll never be seen again. …This isn’t fair, half of my units suck! Lucky bastards having these special units before me!
If Heroes is gonna be like other mobile games, they’re probably gonna cycle through some characters later on.
Do not give up hope.
awesome 😀
Oh. My. Gosh! I love the Exalt Chrom card! <3
I do hope that they add some more Female Robin in the new deck. I bet Grima will be in it (I'll be surprised if he isn't, actually).
:’)
Good for us. Consider the original Gaiden is the first FE game that lot of old Chinese FE fans had played back in the days.
Seeing the childhood scene between Alm and Celica makes me excited seeing it blossom into love and eventually their marriage!
it was pretty funny to hear yamagami speak mandarin and cantonese
Nintendo still giving no hints if a special edition is heading to NA 🙁
Even Japan is acknowledging the power of China in recent years. I always thought that Japanese really hate Chinese for multitude of reasons. Japan’s gonna make more money nearby than in the gaijin land as China becoming more important than USA.
I don’t think it has much to do with Japan’s views on China so much as it is China’s own laws and the like and what the government actually *officially* allows into the country. A lot of stuff that would commonplace or people wouldn’t even think twice about being on the market is something that’s banned within China, usually foreign media. Video games is something that they comparatively recently relaxed a lot of restrictions on, hence why Sun and Moon were the first *official* Chinese Pokemon games
Sometimes game company don’t need to care some laws in China, they can just simply add Chinese(Whatever Traditional or Simplify Chinese) as a language in their game. Like Pokemon Sun & Moon, I bought the US version and still can change the language to Chinese.
But I don’t know why this time they don’t put all language in their Fire emblem Echoes. I bought it today because I heard they bring out Chinese, but the US version don’t have Chinese to chose. Only Hong Kong version has Chinese, weird.
When I read new series, I thought IS was talking about making a new series besides Fire Emblem. Probably similar gameplay but a new thing itself. Like a spacey version of Fire Emblem could be cool.
This is great news. China will add to the worldwide sales so we may get more Echoes titles!
Considering how influential Gaiden was in China back in the NES days, this just makes perfect sense. Yes, Gaiden is the first FE game many Chinese played, albeit thanks to a well circulated bootleg cartridge with Chinese translation. I’m still playing the NA version myself though, as I only have a NA 3DS, but I’m buying this Chinese nonetheless as well just to show my support. Anyway, kudos Nintendo; this is a good move.
Looks like my Mondays just became more exciting! Monday reward grind in the Training Tower here I come!
what is the rewards for monday? feathers?
Not sure. But in the image, Nintendo is going to add some kind of reward for Monday training. So, that is always a good thing.
Its a good update, but I hope in the future they will include more feathers as a bonus, gift or use orbs for feathers.
thats wat im hoping monday will be. not asking for alot, maybe 1-5 feathers for 1st stratum and 10-50 for 10th?
I hope theres a better way to get orbs while the story helps a lot for initial I have 2 maps left on lunatic that im grinding my Hector and Takumi up for but then outside of the 2 free I’m out of a way to get free orbs
Sweet, was just grinding my lower level characters up. It’s not too bad till you hit the 20’s.
The speaker needs to learn how to speak Chinese properly, this is just embarrassing. The tones are missing and he needs to speak at least 3 times faster.
Finally got all 4 of them!
how much did it cost tho? I spent 100 bucks and only got 2 of them one in my 2ed summon and literally my final summon D:
WHAT?! You got 4 special characters?! …Lucky bastard!
Aww yeah, I love Nao Touyama.
…Now all we need is DUAL AUDIO.
English audio only.
Link?
No, Link’s not in the game
Not funny.
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/02/14/fire-emblem-echoes-will-available-english-voiceover/
Danm, that sucks.
Why do people keep on asking for this? Only one out of four FE games with voice acting had this feature. It’s not the norm.
Because it’s basically standard for ANY eastern RPG. Nintendo is the one who isn’t the norm here.
I had hoped they had learned after Fates, but I guess not.
Oops replied to wrong comment
But it should be the norm.
Sorry, but after Fates and Heroes i can’t be bothered with FE dubs.
Because its OPTIONAL
Xenoblade, Persona 5, all the spike chunsoft games, steins gate, bravely default, Valkyria chronicles, and basically every Vita game are some just off the top of my head.
There are only 2 actual reasons not to include dual audio: licencing fees, or that you changed the script so much it no longer works, as I’ve heard may have been what happened to Fates. Any other reason is just stupid.
Here, finally replied to the right comment
Licensing fees are hardly an issue, even tiny companies like IFI and XSEED can pay licensing for big-name actresses like Asami Imai. For her singing parts as well, no less. By comparison NoA should have no issue with that.
The latter is a possibility, I’m playing through an undubbed version of Fates right now and it’s unbelievably jarring to hear soft-spoken JP Elfie’s voice while reading the roid-rage text NoA put over her. But even that is really stupid, since all you’re doing is hiding your own incompetence by removing a feature that most people want.
Most people don’t give a damn about dual audio; it’s the vocal minority that cares, who have been shown to throw fits when they don’t get what they want.
And ironically, the one FE game that had dual audio was the one that made the most text changes: Awakening. Fates honestly isn’t half as bad as it.
Also, thanks for confirming that you hacked your 3DS. Why you would go to such lengths is astounding.
I shouldn’t reply to such obvious bait, but since this is actually an important and interesting conversation that deserves dialogue, consider this more to shed light on the situation rather than argue with you:
Dual audio is hardly a major point of contention; while you will find plenty of people who don’t care about it, the fact remains that dual audio is always the superior option. With dual audio, those who prefer English dubs will have them, and those who prefer the original Japanese audio can fall back on that if the English dub isn’t appealing to them. I’ll use an analogy here: sometimes after work, I stop by Five Guys. It’s a burger joint, in case you’ve never heard of it. They serve three very simple food items: burgers, hot dogs, and fries (also grilled cheeses and other sandwiches, but they’re basically just burgers without the meat patties). I never get hot dogs there, since I’m not fond of hot dogs in general. But plenty of people DO like them. If they took their hot dogs off their menu, it wouldn’t impact me in the slightest way, but the people who enjoyed them would naturally be quite disappointed. And they too are a minority; most people there just order burgers. But my point here is that even though I personally was unaffected by the removal of that option, the fact remains that others will now be missing out on something they enjoy, and the last thing I would do in that situation is tell them that it doesn’t matter since I never liked the hot dogs.
The term “vocal minority” is a fallacy used to discredit an argument by no logical means. Dual audio is best for the game and the fans, and I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t welcome it. To elaborate on this, I’ll point out a PS3 game called Atelier Ayesha. The Atelier series is made by the (amazing) game developer Gust, who was bought out by Koei Tecmo some time shortly before Atelier Ayesha’s release. Earlier games were localized by NIS America who always kept dual audio in, but after KT bought Gust they decided that KT America would be doing the localizations from that point on. During localization, they cut out the Japanese audio. Naturally, fans were disappointed and voiced their concerns (Atelier dubs have always been notoriously subpar, though luckily Ayesha’s was actually pretty good). KT America replied stating that they were unaware that it was a feature that the fans cared so much about, and promised that future games would retain JP audio during localization along with any English dubs. And naturally, when the next game in the series came out (Escha & Logy), it had dual audio, just as promised. And when Atelier Ayesha was later ported to the Vita as Atelier Ayesha Plus, they re-inserted the JP audio back into it. But the main thing to note here is that during all this, there was no huge controversy, no argument, just simple conversation between the publishers and the consumers about what they think is important in game localization. KT America’s localization quality may be inconsistent at most times, but I’ll always offer them praise for their communication with their fans.
Now, contrary to that, with NoA things have been much less understandable. NoA and Treehouse make no effort to even reply to the fans’ comments about dual audio. They can’t be completely unaware, and it’s unlikely that they are unable to put dual audio in games (after all, 8-4 did that just fine with Awakening), so the assumption is that they are simply unwilling to do so. And like everything else with NoA, they don’t offer any sort of explanation or transparency. Dual audio is more or less standard in localization nowadays, except in Nintendo’s case, and they make no effort to embrace it or even explain why they won’t. And THIS is what causes ire among fans; dual audio is easy, desired, and all-around a plus for the game, and they won’t even acknowledge it. When you have situations like Fates where replacement dub is very poor, that exacerbates the issue further.
And while I’m aware that 8-4’s localization of Awakening was far from perfect, they at least deserve praise for having both the original JP audio and a relatively high-quality English dub in the game. Lots of great voice work, Matthew Mercer and Laura Bailey (Chrom and Lucina) in particular knocked it out of the park with their performances.
Hu, Xenoblade is Nintendo, same bullshit. Persona it’s pissing of people as much as it does for FE. Spike games are shit and they are closer to indie dev than anything, IS is not . Bravely default had dual audio, Valkyria as well, Pretty decent amount of “vita games” as well.
And they added it for Persona 5 because of fans.
I resent that statement about spike chunsoft: 999 and VLR were phenomenal.
“IS”?
I remember Valkyria Chronicles and Bravely Default do have dual audios. The only game on top of my head that doesn’t have dual audio is Yakuza, because fans hate the original English voice acting.
It would also have been prohobitively expensive for an english dub of Yakuza 2-5. As Y5 only got a release after it was officially declared dead and gone because of minor sales I actually prefer dual audio or even japanese audio only – they may get some minor/niche games over because the VO dubbing expenses can be cut out and the localization would be cheaper-> less needed sold copies to break even or turn a profit.
I am a non-native english speaker but have a pretty good command and comprehension of the spoken language so I don’t have a problem with that. I DO however have a problem with the way dubbing is done and the choice of Voice Actors outside of Japan. The German and English translation of lots of Games and Animes, OAVs and Movies are simply atrocious.
Also diversity…Skyrim had what? 60 People doing VO for NPC chatter? In comparison the German had 6? If anything is more immersionbreaking than that at all I would gladly eat my hat.
Iirc, the reason dual audio isn’t in Fates is due to an issue with the company the VA of Aqua/Azura in the Japanese version works with. I assume they will have dual audio in Echos.
there is a dual audio?
everytime I see Celica’s design I wanna cry it’s soooooo goooodddd
Same, there’s no detail about her costume I don’t like.
Amusingly, even though her dress is pretty sexy, she STILL manages to show less skin than her original design.
I often think about what I would put in a fire emblem game of I got to make one. I usually say dungeon exploration with battles inside, the ability to mitigate bullshit by being able to bring back a limited number of characters, simplified skill system. Apparently they did all of this 25 years ago.
Of course, the day after my units hit lvl 40.
Chrom looks like a real prince!
Did they reveal Lachke’s already? Because she’s on the pack picture.
Still waiting for the substitutes (just Laylea let’s be real)
We’ve only seen her art so far, not the card itself.
Didn’t expect this at all but neat!
when will the boys get figures…
Goddammit, I can’t summon these four new characters! They are all hard to get, and I keep summoning the same damn characters! WHAT THE HELL?! If I don’t get those 4 new heroes soon, then I’ll never see them again! DAMMIT!
Looks neat, but I wonder if they are going to release a Ryoma/Xander or Azura nendoroid?
Sword mastery 7-3 lunatic. There is a spear heavy there where I can’t do damage against what to do?
Get a unit with armor slayer. If you don’t have one, I don’t think you can survive lol.
I have forgotten her name but it’s the blue chick on a pegasus she got it but everything is want to fight it it shows 0x2 damage and I know I unlocked her skills.
Her name is Caeda ^.^
Yes,thank you. I believe she has the normal attack that is effective against armored units right? But it won’t do any harm. The other units are easily taken care of but this one is tricky.
I ended up using my 5* Lucina and slowly kill that knight and taking advantage of her Falchion’s healing properties and only attack him when I had enough HP to survive the lance attack.
Tried that too but I she dies most of the time XP I’ve got it covered. Hana took care of him already.
I’ve got Hana and Caeda both lvl 40 ☆4. They both have armor slayer. It’s a Blue Lance unit so it is not that advantageous to have team of red sword users and on top of that it’s an armored unit. I don’t know if it’s a mistake on the developers side or if i am doing this wrong 🙁
Well you can always yolo and have Olivia dance them to attack again if they can live one hit.
This game keeps getting better and better!
Since the game hasn’t blessed me with a good Axe user, I’m doomed for the axe quest, also the Lunatic quest too haha
You could probably train up Anna a bit more just to get the Orb rewards at least. I like that they made the 2 Orb quests the easiest to complete, since everybody wants more Orbs. :p
Yeah that’s what I did… But in the end, who carried the team was a 3 stars Cherche haha. I want to train Anna, and make her a 4 stars, but for now… I’m saving my feathers for another character xd
Cecillia is obtainable on the special maps again
Cleared all but axe 7th stratum and lunatic lol all my axe users r4* or lower and only lv 20
Can you get tome users in your party as long as they’re the correct color or does it strictly have to be the weapon?
Weapon only, but you don’t have to have a full team.
CHIBI SAKURA FIGURE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
…that picture looks a little weird, though…
Bah, more Awakening fanservice. When will intelligent systems go back to the grand holiness that is genealogy of the holy war and tharcia 776? Ever since Binding Blade, Fire Emblem has been gutted and castrated beyond recognition and a this game looks to be another terrible outing.
agreed. fuck fanservice
But like the above said, what fan service?
Uh, What fanservice?
Please be a troll
I’m not so convinced by the cover art though. Definitely need Loomis.
Jeez, that cover is really bad
I like this, but who drew Olivia with dark skin? I’m fairly positive that’s never been in the game.
It seems like a common thing among some western fanartists to change the skin color and body size of some fictional characters.
The banner was data mined about a week ago. I hope she is as good as her other gender green is only cookout I lack good units. My Nino and fae r both -atk
Yes, this certainly does give credence to the datamined stuff being next. I guess that means we can look forward to the awkward Hawkeye, Maria, Adult Tiki, and Fir focus group.
God i hope that was a placeholder.
No offence, but that cover art is just downright terrible.
It’s confirmed that she has Rexcalibur and Rising Wind as a 4* from the 4-5 Lunatic map. I’m assuming that she will be the first playable unit with Rexcalibur+ and Blazing Wind but this is all speculation.
I wonder if this one will be as tough as the Narcian map >.>
I just beat hard mode… Its pretty interesting. With a poor team you wont get far. High resistance is key.
Well, I got a 2-Star Female Robin, but good God, my 2-Star Female Robin is weak! I wanted a 3 Star Female Robin, but no, no no no no no, I would NOT dare face her on Hard mode, I hate it when the enemies try to outsmart me when I move my Units first after their first Enemy Phase! So, much like the Hard Narcian battle, I am NOT risking it to get a 3-Star Female Robin! GODDAMMIT, if only I have Eirika, Ephraim, Seliph, and Julia! IT’S NOT FAIR!!
Also, why bother with these other four new Focus heroes?! I wouldn’t be able to get those heroes anyway, as the deadline is too short!
Pick the 4 new focus heroes as a suggestion: they would be able to beat easily the Hard Robin battle.
Well, I can’t get all 4 new focus heroes, because I keep getting those same and useless characters over and over again! And worse?! I don’t have any money to buy these God forsaken orbs! WHY?! WHY DO I KEEP GETTING USELESS CHARACTERS?!
Camilla at lv 40 can survive a hit from each of the enemies to lure them out (presumably other pegasi or high res characters can too)… Then its just about mopping them up which is easy
I dont think 3* is worth it, it only cost 200 feathers(and some grinding) to evolve =/
Unless you get both, it won’t be possible to make a Level 40+1 5-star version of her. I’ve got her too (and Narcian earlier), but only 2-star versions. However, if they will be available again in the future, then I’ll try to get 3-star versions too. I’m already thinking about the tactics for both enemies.
Noticed 5* Male Robin isn’t in either Gacha. Good thing I have him.
Sounds interesting, looking forward to it if I can get certain people to learn the counter attack from any range options. Also slightly off topic I just got my first duplicate 5 star is it better to have 2 5 star units or to merge them?
u can merge up to a total of 10 dupes to get +10 and a whopping +4 to each stat(2 per merge max 20 bonus stat points) its worth
Sounds like it but multiple Hectors sound fun too XD
lets hope it doesn’t use too much feathers or a certain amount of orbs to work ._.
Time to give Vantage to my Takumi
Please no. The meta is annoying enough as is. I’m sick of seeing the same six characters on endless repeat.
Then what about vantage Hector?
Same issue of just totally cheesing the meta, but he’s slightly less prevalent.
At least Pokemon allows more variety for interesting and unconventional teams to be competitively viable- but Heroes is rather more limited in that regard. You’ll never see a Draug or Virion in the meta, but Takumi and Lucina are freaking everywhere. It gets boring after a while.
In the message regarding this hero battle on the in-game message board, it is stated that F-Robin will prove useful in the next hero battle.
Considering that she is a green unit who has a bonus against cavalry, the next hero battle is almost certainly Ursula, who is a blue tome valkyrie.
Just beat Hard Version today. Was pretty frustrating initially, but my problem was turtling too much and being too chicken to bring Peri into the fray- what with Robin’s triangle advantage and anti-cavalry tome. Camilla, Lyn, Peri, and Sakura beat this map pretty easily.
Oh my lord, that kellam r+ is amazing
passed the hard mode with Lucina(5*) Abel(5*) Cecilia(4*) and Olivia(4*) all level 40
the mvp is without doubt Cecilia Rally Res which makes Lucina survive the initial onslaught.
Characters without activation skills can get activation skills now? I wonder how this feature will work I’m
Looking forward to it. Thanks for the news!
Damn, Boey got them arm muscles
Ughhhhh just release more character portraits from Gaiden already IS!
Got 2 Female Robin from normal and hard, her tome is useful against cavalry units but her other abilities are kinda disappointing. Don’t know if its worth making her 5 Stars since Male Robin seems to have better abilities/stats in comparison.
Owain, Lana, Larcei, and Julia
Sing with me: “which one of these is not like the other”
Are you talking about Owain? Aren’t Lana, Larcei, and Julia all from Genealogy of the Holy War?
Yes?
Vantage Lyn!!!
Finally, some Thracia 776 heroes.
Shoudn’t Eldigan be listed as a genealogy character since he dies before the events of Thracia 776?
Took some orbs but I got Sanaki, Tellius’s only representative so far 😀
Where’s Ares?!?!?!
Ares doesn’t have any siblings
I WILL get you Lachesis….
Why are Klein (Fe6) and Sanaki (Fe10) paired together they aren’t related at all right.
Well they even say it in the paralogue, I found it funny xD
Not to mention Sanaki’s big sibling isn’t there. Won’t say who for spoilers but I’d think they’d be there! Unless saving them for Path of Radiance banner.
If people are playing Heroes, they either already know or are going to get spoilered by the characters descriptions. Heroes hasn’t been shy about that sort of thing.
In any case, I’m glad that we’re gonna start branching into the Tellius games. PoR is one of my favourites. Half of my salary is gonna go into getting Nephenee.
I’m in the same boat as you. Jill, Ike, Nephenee, Soren, Volke, Lethe, so many I want from the Tellius games
It might be asking for much, but I hope the Laguz royals are playable. Caineghis, Tibarn, and Nailah would be freaking awesome.
And I hope they give lolFailBrigade some love. RD was fun, but had big balance problems where some units just had zero chance to be viable.
Yeah no Laguz in Awakening bummed me out but I understood why, however not as hard to animate these so I’d be disappointed if they are not included at least eventually. As for the Dawn Brigade……not gonna deny the only one I used once is Edward and that’s when I was just having every Swordmaster available in game. Everyone else got overshadowed by returning cast. I used Fiona once but I had to level her with bonus experience there is no chapters that you can train her everyone else you had a small chance but Fiona always got the short end of the stick.
I fell you i must get Nephenee no mater the cost.
Because they are adopted brother and sister o.O?
I have most of them already, but that new focus with Effie, Setsuna, Nino, and Felicia seems pretty generous. Asides Setsuna (who is by no means bad), they’re all pretty high-ranking units.
If it’s like the Battling Robin focus, this gives a good hint as to what type of team to train up.
Oh GREAT, more new heroes that I can’t summon! I hate it when this game won’t let me summon new and powerful heroes instead of the same and useless heroes!
Wait, I went to Summon mode and (GASP) …I did it…I actually summoned Reinhardt! I DID IT, I FINALLY DID IT!! For the first time in my life, I have finally summoned a Focus 5-Star Hero!! YEAH, WOO-HOO!!
I see the number 3 up there in bold to signify the Switch release date; sneaky Nintendo.
Or, you know, it could just be that March is the third month of the year.
We’re also still wondering when we get Ike.
With the sibling bonds thing be kinda surprised if he and Mist aren’t part of it.
I’m not because Ike should have his own paralogue and not be part of the sibling bonds.
Abdallah had a good point in thinking that they’re probably gonna hold off on Ike and other Tellius characters until there’s a noticeable lull in the game, in order to draw people back into it.
Awakening and Fates were heavily featured in the release, in order to nab as much of the mainstream as possible. The past few updates were more geared towards vets, and Ike is their next big draw, for those who were introduced to the series through Smash.
So beautiful still want my Lyn unique outfit whenever soon!
Voting gauntlet seems interesting, but why must they make me choose between Lucina and Sharena.
Sharena is obviously much better than boring Lucina 🙂
>If there are other secrets included, (such as translation updates for the English Physic and French Parthia errors),
>those have yet to be reported.
English description for Physic was fixed a while ago, actually:
https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/68256-fire-emblem-heroes-general-discussion-and-links/&do=findComment&comment=4728644
Also, go Sharena!
The princesses will obviously win lol no contest!
I think we all know who’s going to win this one.
Can’t help but wonder – we haven’t seen the booster box promos, have we, or were those in an older post that I missed? If so, someone tell me who they were, and if not, who do you guys think it’ll be? I’m thinking just Alm and Celica.
We haven’t seen them yet. But generally they use characters 001 and 051, so it should be Alm and Al.
Yeah, they haven’t been revealed yet, but we should see them within the next week at the latest as they’ll reveal them in the pre-release livestream if not sooner. Alm is practically confirmed to be one of them, and I’d probably guess Al for the other as well.
What an absolutely useless poll. WE JUST CAME from another big damn poll, we already know how this is gonna end.
What a dumb idea not having Ike and Lyn aren’t around to peg Lucina down or
two.
Ephraim is still too underground for newbies to match her high
popularity.
We get it, Lucina is popular waifu material. whatever.
Kinda want to vote for Chrom but at this point I dont even want to involve myself in this poll. It’s basically. Vote Lucina to win.
Rather go down with on the Chrom or Ephraim ship with pride than to sell out.
Coirple? Does that mean we’re getting Leen soon?
Also for the next two SR characters for Genealogy, are they both for the second generation? If one is Julius, I have a feeling the last one would be either Sety or Ishtar.
Yeah, Genealogy cards for this set are focused on 2nd gen, as opposed to S6 when it was all first gen. Ced is my own pick for the last SR, as well.
Sitting this one out. We all know how the popularity poll went last time right? I’ll bet my firstborn child Lucina wins weather I like it or not.
I know where my bro Lords stand.
Just did a few battles.
Predictably, Lucina is just steamrolling poor Sharena. Not a chance.
thanks
Sadly as awesome as Sharena is obviously over Lucina she stands no chance to Lucinas followers…
Lucina FTW! And how can the Heroes cast every be superior to the others? Its highly unlikely.
“This map is the first campaign map to feature 6 enemy units, one of which includes Veronica herself.”
While Veronica is the main character of the level’s story skit, she makes no appearance on the battlefield. The six enemies are the six Prince/Princesses from this voting gauntlet.
Voting Gauntlet got 6 billion votes in the first day. I’m sure we can get 10 billion.
Be nice if the tiers were cumulative but I doubt it ;P
So, can you have a 5 star hero learn a skill from a 4 star hero that is 5 star exclusive?
Doubt it. Wouldn’t make a lot of sense to inherit something that the original character never got themselves.
They should probably boost those goals/rewards even further. As of right now, the Sharena/Lucina bracket is already over 5 billion just on it’s own.
I don’t really have a problem with Lucinas, but FUCK TAKUMI. This is his revenge for all the memes done of him :'(
Hector is my Takumi killer took out 3 of them by himself a little bit ago
Camilla was actually my suicide Takumi killer until I got Robin.
Lucina is a little troublesome for me because my best Blue unit right now is Female Corrin. The other Falchion users aren’t too bad- Marth is kinda squishy while Google Chrom is pretty slow and has crap res.
Not a single surprise for each lol Lucina obviously has this again Ephraim and Chrom will be interesting I’m definitely rooting for Ephraim!
People are not very clever are they? Wasting all their flags in a round they already won. Well, I knew it would come to this and saved 500 of them to use against Lucina, but I don’t think it will make much of a difference in the end.
It won’t. Lucina’s already at 1.6 bil. Double of what Erika has.
Good news, though. Ephriam and Chrom are practically tied.
That is a match I would like to join LOL.
If its Lucina vs Ephraim, its gonna be pretty much Awakening vs Sacred Stones, and if its Chrom vs Lucina, its father against daughter. Definitely something I look forward to. Lucina FTW!!!
Even though Lucina obviously is gonna win that’d be hilarious
Holy shit, Chrom and Ephraim are literally neck and neck up there. O_O
This is really interesting. Lucina is beating Eirika by nearly twice the votes. I have over 700 flags saved up. Once its Lucina and her final opponent, I’ll be using all my flags like there’s no tomorrow.
Same! Imagine if they did a new Prince/Princess set and Camilla is on it GG!
They will. This is gonna be a thing a lot more often now.
Ya I’m on chrom team we actually briefly passed ephraim but they passed us up again it is only a few million in score difference
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The Focus doesn’t actually look that good for this battle. They’re all infantry, and the map has two nasty ninjas with Poison Daggers, Poison Strike, and Savage Blow. The other enemies are an Axe Knight wit Pavise, a Sword Cavalier, and Ursula herself.
Like the Female Robin map, you start off in a nasty bottleneck, but at least this time you have the option to bait some of them for some duels across the walls.
I just beat the 3 star version with Lissa, Saizo, Selena, and Female Robin. Saizo can duel with the ninjas, Female Robin kills both the cavalier and Ursula no problem, Selena can handle the knight, and Lissa to heal.
If you have two tanky fly units such as Subaki, Cherche or Beruka. This map is pretty damn easy.
I only pulled Cherche a few days ago- there’s no way that I can raise her up in time.
I’m gonna try Camilla and Catria. I want to bring my Young Tiki, too- but those fucking ninjas double her. Almost all of my best units (Except Camilla and Catria) are infantry. I have pulled zero Armour from summoning.
The 4 star was surprisingly easy. Got it on my second try after I missed that the cavalier had draw back.
None of the grand hero battles have been too difficult though.
Mind telling me what your strategy was? Cause I’m a bit stuck, since my issue is that I need to keep all my characters alive.
Sheena, male Robin, healer, and Leo. Moved Sheena to hold the choke, while letting Leo combat the ninja at the top. This aggroed Ursula who moved into range with the general behind her. Then I basically just used Robin + Sheena to pick them off one by one, starting with Ursula, then the general, then the final ninja, and the cavalier.
Shit, I don’t have Sheena… or Leo. :/
I do have Effie and Gwendolyn, though.
Wendy or Effie could work, the reason Sheena worked for me was because Ursula had weapon disadvantage, so you could give it a shot to see if it works for you. Otherwise try some other tanky axe user. Leo can be substituted for anyone really, as long as they’re on horseback. That poison dagger is spooky.
Shit, this is gonna be challenging. Mostly because most of my units at max level aren’t even green units. The only max green unit is 3* Narcian. But the main issue here is the Poison Dagger users, which makes sense. Its why Kagero is so terrifying. Alright, better start grinding my characters more.
Yeah, good luck with it. Hope you manage before the time is up.
Too bad you can’t lend units, lol.
Okay, managed to get luck and FINALLY got that 5* Lucina I always wanted. And a 5* Elise as well. I have a 4* Nino, so she might be able to help. But I’ll have to look at character’s strong suit and make use of it. Least I got half of the team needed, being a healer and Male Robin.
Good news. Managed to get 3* Ursala. Bad news? Unsure my strategy will work for the 4* map one, since the enemies are even stronger.
Nice! Honestly, it might probably be easier to use that stamina, grind her to 20, and promote her with 2k feathers instead if you’re struggling that much.
What’s your user ID btw?
Yeah. I don’t have the characters I need and can’t grind as often because I have other issues to deal with. Better if I focus on the fact I got her 3 star at the least.
It’s 9531125025
BTW, look at this:
http://i.redditmedia.com/F0kL8jIr3nFyObcFfwkMVcHNFwVR2wgwfH0NvBPzh_U.jpg?w=459&s=01a84ec161b906d2a031fb7d94ab584d
Pretty accurate, eh? XD
I’m gonna root for Lucina all the way, since she was Robin’s pairing in Awakening, and I absolutely love her character. X3
‘The entered ID is not valid’ Hmm seems odd, don’t know what the problem could be. Mine is 2861457768 if it works from your end.
lol though. Blew Elise away in the first round, but Lucina is leading over us with almost 3b now, jeez. Not a big fan of Awakening and SS was my first FE, so if Ephraim goes through I’ll probably join his side in the final. 😉
Oh shit, I forgot to add one more zero.
95311250250
Sent the request to you nonetheless.
I will be honest though. I am one of the few people that cannot stand Ephraim. So I’m hoping for Chrom to win, but if Ephraim wins, it’ll be Awakening vs Sacred Stones. In that case, may the best character win. It’ll be fun at the very least.
Well, guess who’s winning. Surprise surprise!
But how can you dislike Ephraim? He’s clever and righteous, can’t think of many other protagonists that match his conviction. If anything Eirika is way more naive, characters like that annoy me quite a bit.
Simple: he’s even more of a Gary Stu than Corrin was, and he gets away with it. He is so strong, and so powerful, he can solo the Grado Empire, with even if he’s betrayed, even if he’s surrounded, Ephraim will always win out. “I don’t pick fights I can’t win” is nothing than another way of saying, “I’ll win because I’m Ephraim”. And the biggest thing that pissed me off is that to actually stop him, it required a literal plot device, a plot device that Eirika gave Lyon that has gotten her bashed on, to stop Ephraim. Like, REALLY?! There was no real development for Ephraim. They made him out to be this perfect warrior and so on. Marth lost his home and knew that he was powerless on his own. Ike was only decently strong in the beginning, but had to train harder later on.
I believe this subject is touched upon in his supports, in particular with Kyle. He is that way because he dislikes being above others because of his social rank, and was incredibly weak and didn’t have many friends. But his resolve was his main strength and was what made him grow up into the strong character he is now. So he wasn’t always like this.
That said, he does get into quite questionable situations at times. It seems unlikely that he would escape Fort Renvall (that only has one entrance, the bridge) when it’s surrounded by Valter and his troops. But he is a tactical genius, that’s why he’s away from Renais in the first place. He showed that as he managed to fight off Tirados men by using the field to his advantage even when he was vastly outnumbered. So I don’t think it’s that Ephraim is amazingly OP, it’s that he’s clever and inspires hope in his companions.
But he is a main character and can’t really be killed off, so I think that fact has more to do with his role in the plot and the way people perceive him than anything.
That’s the issue here. Him being a tactical genius so great that he can come up with the perfect strategy to escape and once again SOLO the Grado Empire. It works with Chrom and Robin, where Chrom was the leader and could inspire moral and lead, while Robin was the tactician that supported everyone. It helped there because we have the two support one another. But Ephraim was basically performing things by himself. He hardly ever got into any real trouble. In fact, he got Eirika out of trouble when she thought he was in trouble. They have him have virtually ZERO weaknesses.
Also, the entire thing about how he was weak and all in the past is great, but if all that’s done is that he’s mentioned to have been weaker, it ceases to be that great, because that’s how Garon’s role in Fates got so bad, because we only hear how he was at the supports, but we never saw the real Garon’s glory days so it really is hard to imagine him as anything more than a prick.
Ephraim shouldn’t have been the main protagonist at all in my opinion. It should have remained with Eirika. Protagonists should develop and grow throughout the story. Ephraim hardly grew at all, whereas Eirika did develop and grow, going from a naive girl to a more strong independent person.
In my opinion, Ephraim should have been something like a Gotoh archetype, very powerful and already in the pinnacle of his growth. Making him a protagonist ruins it for me because he’s not really growing. If he had to be a main protagonist, show that he wasn’t really that perfect, that the death of his father and his kingdom in ruins, and Lyon seemingly betraying him, all that has made Ephraim become colder and more ruthless little by little and that worried others and even gets reckless that it costs him dearly, and Eirika acts as his light that keeps him from losing himself. It would show that Ephraim needs Eirika to remind him not to lose his humanity in the face of sadness and anger, and Ephraim teaches Eirika how to be wiser and not so naive.
Could it be? I’m hyped for a FE game again?
Hope I don’t jinx it.
I wish I can finish my Gaiden playthrough before this game released.
I’m replaying it atm. Gotta build the hype further before it comes crashing down!
Who wouldn’t be hyped?! It’s Fire Emblem!!!
Yeah man!!
But to be honest I was let down by Awakening and Fates, I’m making an exception this time since it’s a reimagining of one of my personal favorites.
Alms’ voice though…
Kinda sounds like he got Bryce Papenbrook’d
I’m excited if it is Bryce. I met him at a convention (dressed as Henry of course) and he is the coolest / nicest person ever!
Hector wreaked the ninjas and Ursula by being buffed by Sheena for me and Sanaki made quick work of the general the only hiccup was the cavalier but a Hector and Sheena were able to take him out
This makes me sincerely wish it was dual audio.
I got a 3-Star Ursula after beating Hard mode, but getting a 4-Star Ursula from Lunatic mode?! HELL NO! I got my 5-Star Effie, but how is she not enough?! None of my 5-Star characters are powerful enough to beat Ursula or those Goddamn Ninjas in Lunatic mode! So, screw this!
Well, if you do not mind spending money you can get a booster pack from the store. These are guaranteed to contain at least a 6 star.
Stupid childish troll, Fire Emblem Heroes is an App game, not some “Yu-Gi-Oh!” wannabe cards. Fire Emblem Heroes is where you summon the heroes using Orbs.
And what are you doing with an app game? Diablo II is where the fun is at!
Diablo II? That’s irrelevant coming from a childish troll like you. Also, Diablo II sucks balls, and so do you. Now be off, Fire Emblem haters such as you are not allowed here.
Hater? I finished Fire Emblem Fates last week for khorne’s sake! Also, you can’t disallow people in forums.
Here is the accuracy between the current battles:
http://i.redditmedia.com/F0kL8jIr3nFyObcFfwkMVcHNFwVR2wgwfH0NvBPzh_U.jpg?w=459&s=01a84ec161b906d2a031fb7d94ab584d
If only the same Artist for this did FEH version of Julia. I think this art does the character more justice than the one on FEH.
Canceling my pre-order. I wanted a real fire emblem game with a player avatar, and marriage, not this generic unispired shit. Wtf.are my children and face rubbing, some of the best features in recent games? At least Celica looks kinda sexy, but nowhere near the level of some of my favorite characters like Camilla and tharja.
People need to boycott this shot. Its terrible when companies like nintendo ruin some of their beloved franchises and this unfaithfulness should not be looked at lightly
You’re joking right?
About 99% sure he is joking. Saying something like that would be silly if it were sincere.
Can I have your preorder?
Lunatic map is pretty tricky without the right units. You essentially get screwed being bottlenecked with infantry units by the Ninjas and Ursula basically kills off your cavalry from behind that walls. My setup that got me through this was with a flying squad composed of Caeda, Minerva, Cordelia, and Lissa as my healer (you pretty much want to use anyone who has rehabilitate like Wrys). You can probably get similar results with a heavy unit duo + mage support (but i have almost no heavy units to try anything out) since heavy armors don’t count as infantry. Essentially what I did was charge the first breakable wall with Cordelia who has been buffed by Caeda’s Fortify flier and within range of Minerva’s Ward flier to shrug off Ursula’s attack easily, and I also used Caeda to bait the ninja, allowing Cordelia to follow up next turn for the kill. I essentially just positioned Caeda where the broken wall was to maintain Fortify Flier, and had Minerva above Caeda to create a wall for the heavy knight and ninja above. The bottleneck is effective for allowing my healer to keep minerva’s HP at max after every assault (not attacking the heavy knight during your turn), without being in range of the ninja above. Cordelia can clean up the red cavalier and Ursula with the help of galeforce (and if you need an extra hit, Caeda can help too). The rest is easy after that since Minerva can effectively just wall the heavy until it dies.
Does anyone know if Chrom is going to be the only one who has an SR+ card?
There have always been 6 SR+ cards per set, usually half per colour, but not always. We’ve also already seen the SR+ for Shannan, which you can view next to his regular SR here: https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/shannan-sr-plus.png
The other 4 SR+ cards have not been revealed yet. Seliph will likely get one, and probably Julia for the other Genealogy ones. I’m also betting that F!Robin will get an SR+ card on the Awakening side, but I’m not sure about the third.
Finally beat lunatic after several failed attempts with several different team comps.
Who would have thought that my best shot at this map with infantry-killers and high-resistance enemies would be a team of entirely infantry and two mages? Serra, Eirika, Nino, and Male Robin. It was right down to the wire. Eirika and Robin survived with 2 hp.
Tine’s card looks so cool. I can’t wait for more Genealogy cards to come out.
So I got this so far in my squad. So time to send them all away home? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c485982259a127ab6a812c801e2f15f239a09b9ca4f61ab078ffd7186e2289d2.png
Ban moderator eclipse, she’s sending death threats to users ty
I agree their plain awful and abusive with their position……
“What’s important is that right before Alm attacked, a character’s portrait could be seen in the combat forecast. Putting two and two together, these boosts are likely the effect of a support system, like the ones found in earlier Fire Emblems.”
YES PLEASE
I greatly prefer the modern system, since it doesn’t restrict the number of support conversations you can unlock per playthrough. Plus it just makes more sense from a standpoint of gameplay and story integration.
Why do you like this system better? I can’t understand why.
Because it was strategic. Removing the limit was like removing the limit of XP in awakening and Fates. Not to mention the benefits were honestly a lot greater. Not to mention the supports in FE13 and 14 weren’t even worth reading. I wouldn’t be against having something like “only the first 5 supports give stat boosts” or something like that so you are able to read more, but the scarcity of them made them feel more valuable and less like the throw-away dialogue that permeated Awakening’s and Fate’s supports. In the end, i just like the mechanics of the original a heck of a lot better.
“It was strategic.” Um…? So is the newer system…? Because there’s a greater limit on the amount of characters one unit can be supported by at one time, that prevents it from being overpowered. Maybe it lost the strategic aspect of choosing who to support with who, but I honestly hated that–it kind of sucks when you support two characters and the support conversations suck, because you just wasted what could have been a good moment for character development and you’re not going to get that back (despite what a lot of people say, older games’ supports weren’t really any better about quality, despite their low quantity–more on that later); this was an issue I ran into while playing Sacred Stones, and it’s probably one of the reasons I still haven’t been able to convince myself to actually finish it for once. Awakening was weaker in the aspect of strategy, because the main support bonus was RNG-based (even on top of the fact that characters actually get direct stat boosts that are shown to you now… even though you claim the boosts from supports are lesser??), but Fates improved upon it greatly, and it was such a good system that removing it honestly doesn’t feel like anything but an awkward stumble backwards in order to appeal to a crowd that sees everything through nostalgia-filtered goggles and who hasn’t been as good at supporting them monetarily as the rest of their audience anyway.
And… allowing unlimited grinding is a bad thing??? Huh?? What??? An RPG is a heavily RNG-dependent game. This goes doubly so for Fire Emblem, considering that every one of every unit’s level-ups is random, meaning that whether or not every unit is even usable, and, by extension, whether or not the game is even beatable, is random. It’s a glaring flaw for a game that’s supposed to be strategic, and although most seem to disagree with me, they would understand if their luck was bad enough; however, since reacting to good and bad level-ups is such a universal and iconic part of the Fire Emblem experience, I highly doubt that they’re going to change this, and as long as they don’t–as long as they allow the game to “break” itself for the player–they should allow the player to counter that by grinding freely. Sure, people will “abuse” this system (as if playing a video game in a way that’s most enjoyable to you can be considered an “abuse” of anything) to grind and become overpowered, but who cares? If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t do it. No one’s making you (a lot of people don’t seem to understand that, and it leads to dumb decisions being made, like making challenge battles impossible in Conquest without forking over even more money, just because they knew a lot of dicks would be too proud to play a game that *gasp* allowed optional grinding, therefore making the whole experience a lot more frustrating for anyone getting bad level-ups and locking people who weren’t as good out of that story experience–although that’s somewhat offset by the option of Phoenix Mode, but then, the people saying you shouldn’t be allowed to grind are generally the same ones saying Phoenix Mode shouldn’t be an option, sooo…). You know what? I hate reclassing. I hate changing my characters to a class that doesn’t match their portrait or their dialogue and dealing with the wonkiness of their stats just to get new skills. So you know what? I just don’t do it. I don’t say it shouldn’t be in the game, because it’s completely optional and I know a lot of people utilize and enjoy it. I just don’t do it and I enjoy myself and other people do it and they enjoy themselves and everyone’s happy just playing our video games the way we want to because we all live in first world countries and have that privilege.
I’ll agree with you on Fates supports being largely throwaway, but Awakening? Did we play the same game here? Awakening was the first time in the series that every character actually had effort put into them. Go back and read Path of Radiance’s supports. There’s… maybe five characters that the writers took advantage of supports to flesh out. Despite the lower number of supports, a huge amount of it is still filler. Most of these characters they didn’t even bother coming up with a backstory for. Seriously, who the heck is Ilyana or Kieran besides just a gimmick? Awakening has gimmicks too, but at least gives explanations or reasons for them, or makes sure the character is more than just that, if not trying to deconstruct them altogether. There’s a sexy dancer who’s actually really shy? That’s funny! Until you see her actually seriously having problems because of her social anxiety so much so that she struggles to even talk to some people, and you realize she probably has this issue because it was her alluring dancing that led to an attempted rape against her in the past. Holy crap! And it’s little things like this that make Awakening’s characters so beloved, as the Heroes polls showed–they benefited from the new support system because they all actually were shown to be very lifelike, distinct and believable, with many facets to them. Having a large number of supports ensured that even if some of their supports were filler, there were opportunities for a more meaningful support with another character. Also notice how unpopular the characters with very few supports were, and how frustrated fans were with that. Hmm…
In the end, there’s no accounting for taste–that is, subjectivity–but when it comes to objectivity, I can’t help but think that the newer support system is just plain better–not a distinctly different system, but an improvement upon the old one–even if there are some things about the old one that I like. Okay, one thing. Affinities. I really like affinities.
Disclaimer: This is not a an angry rant. I am just trying to have a discussion and I like to put a lot of thought into what I have to say. I am not trying to be mean. Positivity all around! (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧
Holy crap, I didn’t realize it was this long
Oh gosh. Wall of text. Uhhhh, I’ll try to respond but I’m bound to have missed something.
Anyway, I rather liked that you COULDN’T just support everything. You had to think about the bonuses available, what characters would most likely be next to each other, and such. But my main point is this: The supports did something tangible besides stat boosts when paired up like Awakening, AND your characters didn’t have to be next to each other for the bonuses. They just had to be within 2 spaces which allows for a lot more flexibility. On to the doing stuff part: support conversations were limited not because the game hated you, but because it would break the game otherwise. Giving Ike 5 ranks of earth supports in PoR gave him around 95 avoid when he was within range of 2 other characters. Broken? Yes. But, unlike Awakening, I didn’t feel punished for not maxing supports before battles. On harder difficulties, the game fully expects you to max supports to even have a shot at the harder levels. As for support quality, I will admit a few of Awakening’s were well written. There were also mediocre ones like how Chrom marries Sumia because she bakes pies, or the copy+paste father/child support conversations. Yes, I know why they did it, but they made them as generic as possible so they fit everyone. I didn’t run into any supports in the GBA or PoR that I didn’t like, but we probably supported different people. Some standouts that I remember were Lucius and Raven’s A support along with Mia and Rhys’ A support.
Idk if I said this, but I wouldn’t mind at all if they removed the cap but let you choose 5 supports (or just the first 5) for stat bonuses, but let you read the rest. And yeah, the affinities are what I really liked. It made the bonuses from each character distinct rather than generic.
And the grinding: call me crazy, but I like XP as a limited resource. You only get so much, so you allways need to judge if it’s worth giving to your pre-promote, your est-type, or your main party. It also means you can’t train everyone, as there just isn’t enough XP to do it, so each run can be unique as you train a different party each time.
And finally, before you say anything about nostalgia, here’s the order I played the games in:
8, 1/2 of 11, 13, 7, 9, 13 (again), 1/3 of 12, 6, 4/5 of 4, 2/3 of 14 (couldn’t make myself finish it) and RD when I get around to it.
So yeah, not really nostalgia speaking
Oops. I made a wall of text too. Yay twins?
My wall of text could beat up your wall of text, but it wouldn’t, because it’s a nice guy
Ahh okay I see what you mean about supporting from a distance in that it is useful, but it just doesn’t make any sense to me how a character could be helping another in battle when they’re that far away from each other.
As for support limits: there are both good and bad supports in newer and older games. The difference is that when there is a limit, once you unlock a bad support, you just wasted a resource that you had no way of knowing it was going to be bad. In theory you could look up the supports online, but that kind of dulls the excitement of unlocking and viewing one. Your idea of “unlock a bunch of supports but only get bonuses for a few of them” sounds nice, but there would be no need to limit them like that if a character could only be aided by the characters right next to them (makes sense) as opposed to getting bonuses from a bit of a distance (makes less sense)
I could maybe get behind you over experience being a limited resource if it weren’t for the fact that it can be so easily wasted through no fault of the player. What if you put everything you have into some characters but they just don’t pull through with their stat gains? There’d be no way of knowing if that would happen until it does, and when that happens, you’re screwed–you might even have to start over.
Between support limits and and experience limits, you push for a game that would need to be replayed multiple times to get the full experience. I don’t like that! Considering older games force you to bench a lot of characters or suffer the low levels of evenly distributed experience, that’s a lot of characters whose supports you’re not even going to unlock at all–plus the the fact that of those characters you do actually use, you’re only going to get five of your supports… I’m going to have to play the game many times over and over to even figure out which characters I even like. And if I don’t really like the characters after all is said and done? That’s a huge waste of time on something I paid money for to have an enjoyable experience. That’s a portion of my life I’m never going to get back, and it’s a much greater portion than if the game was designed for me to get a full experience on only one playthrough. Replays should be more optional than that.
And some of the stuff you said about Awakening is just plain silly. “It punishes you for not having enough supports”… huh? “on higher difficulties”… oh. Dude, if the harder modes are too hard, just don’t play them. That’s what the easier modes are for. And I’d much rather be “punished” for not having a lot of supports (my own decision–I mean, you kind of have to go out of your way not to unlock a lot of supports in Awakening) than for putting experience points into characters and not having it pay off (the game’s fault, not mine).
And… Chrom marries Sumia over pies?? Oh for crying out loud… it’s like people just see the word “pie” and forget that any other word was spoken in their supports! Pie was involved, but they were also talking to each other and building a relationship as they went. There weren’t even any pies in the C support! He doesn’t marry her just because she made him pies–although the gesture of willing making food for someone else just because you can is important to note–he marries her because she was going out of her way to support him and he was realizing how much he cared about her along the way. In the S support he even says, and I *quote*, “this is not about pies”. Yeah they do make some silly comments like “In between the fifth and sixth pie I thought to myself” and “I’ve felt this way since before the very first pie”, but even then, the pies themselves clearly aren’t the cause of the love, and I kind of thought those were intended to be… jokes. Not even jokes on the part of the writers or localizers, but jokes on the part of the characters–because love can be pretty silly, especially that giddy feeling that is so much like laughter, and I mean, it’s a marriage proposal: there should be smiles around anyway, so it’s not exactly an inappropriate time for jokes. Whether or not you find it funny is a different story, but saying “Chrom married Sumia over pies” is just a false statement, and that oversimplification of events is the kind of criticism that Awakening’s supports are unfairly subjected to a lot.
And I don’t think the “generic” supports with the characters’ fathers really made either character suffer that much, because each father still had his own dialogue written in his voice. Actually, I find looking through the same supports with different fathers a nice way to see smaller distinctions in their personalities. The only issue is that sometimes there are sometimes inconsistencies, like Ricken telling Brady he’s never had a teatime in his life or Severa telling Gregor she’s about his age.
But hey, affinities! We agree on that at least! I like it more from a meta standpoint–the implication (that is all but confirmed in the Path of Radiance Anthology) that mages are using spirits of the dead for their power, and what kind of spirit each character would be when they die–and also that each affinity has a sort of personality type that each character of that affinity exhibits traits of… aah!
Oops forgot to respond. Idk if you get my point sort of, but I get yours. Don’t really want to leave you hanging or just back out, but I don’t currently have the time to write a proper response, and I’ll forget if I don’t do something now. So yeah, we’ll agree to disagree. Idk if that response satisfies you, but I fully respect your opinion. This is the most lengthy civil discussion I’ve had with a fan of the newer stuff, and you get bonus respect for that. Nice talking with you.
Are there more story changes than just Alm leading the Deliverance in this trailer? Please answer this with just a yes or a no, I don’t want any spoilers whatsoever. Thank you in advance!
Ninian yes!!!!
Does that mean she’ll be a dragon and a dancer? Pretty sure if that’s the case, she might become an S+ tier rank.
Not necessarily. Olivia and Azura don’t have very impressive stat totals, for instance, and dragons will always suffer the eternal Falchion curse of the omnipresent Marth/Chrom/Lucina. It’ll very much depend on the details of her weapon and what colour type of unit she is, is what I’m thinking.
Azura is a very strong fighter though. Her attack strength is very good, and against red units, which most units are comprised of, she can be very deadly with her Sapphire Lance. Also, even if she goes against Green units, she can easily turn over to a red unit that can fight green units. Its why she’s one of the S+ tier units.
We have Tiki (both versions) as red dragon units, Fae as green dragon unit, and CorrinF as blue dragon unit. Ninian will likely be a blue dragon unit, but at the same time could also be a green dragon unit.
Also, Julia with her Naga tome can also kill dragons, so the 3 Falchion users aren’t the only dangers.
Fair enough. And personally, I imagine she’ll be a Blue unit, ’cause to me that just makes sense (closest colour association with ice. They seem to do that almost everywhere in this game.)
Though I’m thinking she’ll probably get a brand new weapon. After all, none of the existing breath attacks would make sense for her. It’ll be interesting what they’ll do with that.
Yeah, blue unit is my first guess. There are no units that cannot attack. Even healers can attack, though they are very weak, the effects they give from it is somewhat useful.
None of the breath attacks makes sense for Tiki either. She’s a Divine Dragon, so her attack should be a Mist breath, but instead she has a Fire or Lightning breath. And Corrin is more associated with water, but has a dark breath. But yeah, since she’s an ice dragon, she should be using a different kind of breath attack.
Ninian is an ice dragon iirc. So it does point towards blue unit
Ice is usually wind magic though which is green in this.
Probably both
That’s what I was saying. She’ll be attacking as a dragon, but has the support of dance.
Every character has to have an attack so it makes sense I do wonder if they’ll do it with her younger brother Nils since he never transform in the main game then again Sophia is also half Manakete but uses tomes but also I hope in a future remake they make her wield stones!
Don’t both Ninian and Nils perform only support and never any attack?
Yeah but Ninian via cutscene transform while Nils doesn’t
I run out of Orbs aiming for Nino(failed to get one, not even 3*), Now Ninian show up!
i got her 4* but she was -atk +hp was kinda sad
Given I finished The Blazing Blade last night, this announcement hit me right in the feels and stopped my heart for a split second so of course this gets all of my yes. I just wish I hadn’t spent 20 Orbs this morning and of course this is when FEH starts to phase out the daily Orb bonus…
*sob* All these characters look so beautiful with updated art and I want them so much and why can’t I have them all right now?! Especially Ninian! Having her at the top in portrait like that adds such a mysterious air to the whole piece (P.S. I downloaded this image as soon as I saw the tweet).
I WANT THESE CHARACTERS SO BAD!!! *bursts into tears*
I wonder why Patty was the last SR card. I thought it’d be Sety or Ishtar. Is Patty that popular in Japan?
Also, I remember seeing this screenshot (it was poor quality) that gave a glimpse of future cards. It seems like Aless and Leen may be coming out soon.
*Ced
Awesome can’t wait to get Ninian I’m guessing Lilith whenever she comes is going to be stone user as well with healing effects!
It’s funny that Ninian has fire breath, yet she is an ice dragon.
So, general impressions of the characters (beware, long comment incoming):
– Ninian is great. Dance + FORTIFY DRAGONS. OK. Now granted Dragon-focussed teams have a really rough time between the Falchion’s and Julia with the Naga tome… But if you don’t have that, good lord, that sounds potentially terrifying. On another note, I’m not terribly surprised seeing Light Breath, but I wish they’d just given her a new weapon. AND WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE HER FIRE BREATH!?
– Karel’s combination of Desperation and Defiant Atk sounds really strong on paper, but then you see his stats, and he’s not as fast as you’d expect… Not to mention somewhat lacking durability.
– Lucius’s concept seems gimmicky, I doubt it’ll be very strong. I get what they were going for, but it doesn’t it just take too long to get Miracle to work? Especially with Martyr slowing its activation further.
– Jafar looks interesting, though I’m not sure if/how his weapon’s effect compliments his stats. Definitely seems like one of the most offensively inclined Shuriken users thus far, though.
– Priscilla, a mounted healer with Rehabilitate (my personal favorite healing skill). A unique combination of attributes right there. Provides defensive support as well. She’ll be good. Really good. Maybe even the best healer?
– Rebecca. Yay, got this unit. Competing with Takumi is always rough, but she sets herself apart. Darting Blow makes her the fastest Archer during Player Phase, which compliments her good colourless Atk well. Furthermore, the rest of her skills obviously want you to pair her with a very bulky unit. Seal Atk means enemies won’t hit as hard (if Rebecca doesn’t kill them outright), letting a tank unit absorb their hits that much more easily, and these units can in term block stop the enemy from reaching Rebecca, while in a pinch, Rebecca can also provide some small healing. But sometimes that makes all the difference.
While training her up, I put Sheena on the same team, and she’s just really bulky all-around. Granted, the AI isn’t always the best representation of this, but for what it’s worth, this combination worked really, really well.
F!Corrin is strong to handle Lucina even Marth which imo is weaker Nowi too its all about when to strike and receive the support, Tiki can just bounce Hectors Armads with more def for Julia probably requires skill inheriting.
Something’s going down the day we get a skill that nullifies effective-against bonusses against Dragon units, something similar to, say, Iote’s Shield.
I’d say that be on someone…….”important”. First thought would be Tiki but since that’s come and passed I’d say Kurthnaga from PoR/RD
Watch it be on Nils, whenever he comes out.
Spent $75 and with the leftover orbs from last event, the new orbs from this one and the orbs from the end of the voting gauntlet and managed to get 2 Jaffar, 1 Lucius, 1 Ninian and as an added bonus finally got an Azura and a Elise so not a bad summoning but honestly would have preferred a Rebecca or a Priscilla (or maybe finally a frekin Kagero /rage) instead of a 2ed Jaffar but I can wait on those.
Just wanted to remind that the character in the banner is not Severa from Awakening, but Selena from Fates.
Aaaaaaaand looks like I’ll be completely muting voices. Still wish there was a dual audio option.
Me too, the dual-audio thing was amazing in Awakening, why don’t keep it?
It wasn’t in Fates either? The only dual audio game so far WAS awakening.
Now, the real question: Why not? 3 reasons:
1. Licensing costs or issues. In some cases, voice actors need to give their permission for their voices to be used outside of Japan.
2. NoA changed the script too much.
3. Space limitations. Self explanatory.
None are good reasons, but NoA can be downright lazy sometimes.
Wasn’t there some legal problems with the Japanese version “Lost in Thoughts”?
Pretty sure that’s true. Thanks, forgot about that.
Correct
There were voice glitches in the Japanese audio in the localized version of Awakening that they did have problems with like the female Einherjars spoke with Robin’s third voice, making a new file without a soft reset will not work, and the second male Robin voice that you face Grima didn’t speak a word in the Final Chapter that I totally think that’s probably caused by the glitch. But, I did seen there was a post a thread that have a poll that alot of people voted English voices and only 4 people voted Japanese voices that I totally think that’s probably why alot of people stick using English voices.
Could you weebs please shut up and just be happy we are getting the game along with full voice acting.
Seriously, Nintendo should of never gave dual-audio with Awakening because of weebs like you guys.
That’s not what a weeb is…
Even if Awakening didn’t have it, I’d still ask for it because it’s nice to have. I can complain all I like, but there’s no way I’m ever passing on this game. These complaints are complaints, but they won’t stop my purchase. As for the voice acting, I never asked for it. I’m probably alone on this, but I’d rather a game with no VAs than bad VAs. DON’T GET ME WRONG, NOT ALL OFF THE VOICE ACTING IS BAD. It’s just the random cringe-inducing line readings that make me irritated, especially when I know I’ll be hearing those lines a lot.
Not what weeb means
Actually, stuff like this is usually what Nintendo and other companies want to hear – when people complain about what they dislike about a game or rave about what they love about a game, it tells game companies what they’re doing right/wrong so they can keep doing the things the fans like and correct the things the fans dislike because if people hate the game too much they won’t put any money into it. In this instance, chances are there’s not much they’ll change in future games because VAs are very difficult to get right on the first try for characters that didn’t have VAs before and it’s difficult to just swap a VA out because people get way more upset over that, but it’s still a good thing for Nintendo to hear that people don’t agree with their choices – maybe they’ll make better VA changes when bringing the Echoes cast to Heroes(which will happen soon if they want to continue raising hype for Echoes).
As for Dual-Audio, if Nintendo had made it work properly(i.e. they checked for glitches BEFORE releasing Awakening and didn’t botch so much of Fates’ Storyline in translation that Dual-Audio would have been even more confusing to add than the Storyline itself…which is saying something in certain places[looks pointedly at Zola]) it would have been a brilliant move, and frankly I loved that I could use the Japanese voices in Awakening – I even got one of my cousins, who is half-Japanese, to ask me about the game because I was playing with the Dual Audio on.
The thing is, Awakening have actually good english voice acting besides Olivia. Even she only particularly bad on battle grunts and not anywhere else. How Fates can have worse quality despite being a sequel to a supposedly final game in a series is a mystery to me.
Ugh, the voices suck, why they don’t give us dual audio like in Awakening? Really, why?
The voices are awesome, weebs.
0:26 of the 3rd video begs to differ. I can’t speak for you, but bad voice acting will ruin any game for me. I’m not annoyed that the voices aren’t the original. I’m annoyed that we’re getting a crap version while Japan’s has highly recognized voice talent. We get the short end of the stick because NoA is cheap. If the voice acting was consistently good, I wouldn’t be complaining.
FE has received some highly recognized English voice talent. I’m all for personal preference, I love Japanese voice acting as much as the next person, but I feel English va’s get too little credit. At worst they’re called trash by virtue of basically just being English.
You can’t please everyone, some people can’t be pleased at all.
I think most people who say they have issues with English VAs aren’t saying they can’t be pleased, I think they’re mostly just kind of miffed that Nintendo appears to still only really be focusing on Japan for Fire Emblem(anyone up for a game of Cipher?). Yes, we do have some good VAs(I personally loved Velouria’s battle quotes and Noire’s demon laugh), but a lot of the time Japan’s voice acting just sounds better – like Olivia, whose Japanese voice high pitch fit her character design so much better than her English lower one. On the other hand, there were some characters who made me wish I could custom-tailor my voice options per character so I could play with the Japanese voices for everyone else but keep their English ones – Basilio’s Japanese voice in particular made my ears hurt, and then there was Donnel…Anyways, my personal theory is there’s at least one guy up at Nintendo who thinks it was a bad idea to let the Americans see Marth and Roy in Melee all those years back because then they’d have to waste time throwing us enough scraps to keep us quiet, hence the censorship and translation problems a lot of Americans have with the game as it kind of feels like they’re babying us. Maybe I’m wrong, but it does seem a little weird at times the random things they change(I straight-up LOVE “Slappyface” though, not gonna lie).
I actually loved Olivia’s voice. Though, there isn’t really a voice I hate in the FE series. Even Felicia, which by everyone’s standards has bad VA, eventually grew on me and I couldn’t see her any other way than with that voice. Maybe this is because I have (or had) no prior knowledge of what the voices sounded like in Japanese, but even then, I am still grateful for them.
Felicia’s voice actress is probably the best and most talented in all of Fates. I didn’t know there were VAs that could pump that much personality into 2-second clips.
Nice b8
Felicia’s English voice was a VAST improvement.
Nope barely use her in battle and didn’t marry her but with her twin sister Flora though JAT just has a sexy voice!
True, very true.
I was kind of with you until you mentioned Olivia.
That kawaii desu squealing is never acceptable on an adult. Ever.
Her English voice is still high-pitched, but not to an obnoxious extent, just to a realistic one. Her voice still shakes and she’s still quiet, and that’s enough to fit with her character.
Basically, her Japanese voice acting sounds like voice acting, and her English voice acting sounds like talking.
I misspoke. Some of the voice actors are fine and I don’t mind them at all. Alm isn’t half bad, and I wouldn’t mind his voice. But, just like dubs, the side characters get the lesser voice actors and, in a game fully voiced (like this is), that can ruin the experience for me. Again, it’s not the fact that it’s english, but the fact that it’s not consistently good. Genny’s voice oh gosh. That and Mae’s battle quotes are what ruined it for me.
Unecessary remark but yes better than fates that’s for sure
These voices are great, especially Mae’s. Why do all these weebs hate english VA so much?
So apparently criticising a VAs performance = weeb which is not the definition try again…
I’m talking about when people say “Japanese voice acting is better than English ones”. I’m not talking about those who don’t like it.
The closest thing I can find on the internet to a definition of “Weeb” says “A non-Japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves Japanese. They try to learn Japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.” Admittedly, this isn’t necessarily trustworthy because it IS the internet and “Weeb” isn’t in any of the physical dictionaries my family owns so obviously I can’t check them, but I assume you can see the difference between this and the people on here. For anyone who doesn’t, have an example:
~My Weeb Impression~
(Based on a mix of what little Japanese I know[intentionally misspelled to mirror past experiences I’ve had – correct spellings are “Sugoi” and “Kawaii” if what I’ve checked is correct] and what I’ve seen people who fit above description say on social networking sites)
“I can’t stand English VAs because they all suck OTN compared to the ORIGINAL VAs, which were ultra sugoy! Genny’s VA especially sounded super kawaie!”
Just saying the Japanese VA is better than the English one isn’t being a “Weeb” – rather, it’s a statement of personal preference. For example, while I have usually found myself enjoying the JP VAs more than the English ones(though some of those are simply because I grew up with said character only speaking JP[COUGHROYCOUGH]), there are several characters who I liked better in English, such as Basilio, who sounds definitely like someone trying to be gruff and failing in Japanese, or Donnel, who sounds super nasally with Dual-Audio on. Then there’s Noire, who, while a little off-sounding in either language, sounds better in English. Then we have characters like Soleil, who I haven’t heard in Japanese and don’t think I’d like because her English voice just fits her somehow, and Palla, whose English voice for Heroes I promptly fell in love with even though I expected something a little older-sounding, and I’m honestly never going to look up the JP voice for because I found myself liking her in English so much.
I guess I spent a lot more words than I needed to here, but hopefully you got the main gist – it’s not being a “Weeb” it’s stating one’s opinion of the video. Maybe you don’t agree, maybe you do, but just dismissing them all as something they actually don’t qualify as makes it harder for people to take your opinion seriously as well. If you have to call names, perhaps go for “Whiners” – that’s more easily understood, and gives people a chance to react more calmly(for whatever reason, I’ve found calling people “Weebs” tends to just make them really, really pissed off at you) and explain their reasoning behind their opinion.
I guess I must have lower standards because the voice acting sounds fine for me, especially for Alm. Well done.
There wasnt a single bad voice in there. Why are people saying the voice acting is bad? None of these voices are on the level of Selkie, Peri, or “We’ve got trouble”
Genny makes my ears bleed.
She had literally one line, which was fine as far as cutesy female voices go.
Moe voices are the one thing english VAs can’t do.
Because moe voices should never be done.
By english speakers. Ok, point taken, I rather it go die in a corner altogether. Except for the sub of Madoka Magika, which intentionally uses it to subvert expectations, or 2 certain characters from Danganronpa who use it to the same effect.
Not any worse than Genny’s Japanese voice https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/ajjj/characters/index.html?chara=009
Annoying, but it’s as expected, not a bad english replication.
Well Felicia’s fi with her character, Selkie is alright but Peri sounds like she’s in desperate need of a cough drop
Felicias is awful hate it…..Selkie I wish the one that voice Bonnie from PW SoN voiced her, Peri blech….
Felicia’s va imo is pretty good. It’s pretty much only “WE GOT TROUBLE”, even then the more I listened to it, it didn’t turn out so bad.
Don’t forget Effie the apparent She man…
They went for “muscular woman”, when that’s really not Effie. The voice isn’t bad, but it’s NOT Effie.
Yep
Saber has 3 orbs on the dagger, 2 less then the others… with weapons.
wait a minuete… fortify DRAGONS?!
The voices are alright, I dont mind them at all.
I sure do hope there are supports.
Sigh, at least a mute option exists…
Permadeath, now we are talking 🙂
For this kind of game, no way will it be a true kind of permadeath where units are forever dead.
U might have to level up again the unit again in this mode if you die for example, that would be a good punishment.
Do you realize how easy it is to die in this game? Not to mention that you can only bring 4 units, so you might not even have a healer on you. To send you back down to Level 1 or even drop a couple levels is downright cruel still.
Huh, it says Gray has an aloof personality and he’s chatty. Those are pretty contradictory.
Hmm, might be a poor choice of words. It means he’s good at talking and not really attached to anything.
chatty: talks a lot
aloof: doesn’t get close to people
Nothing contradictory there
Who does he talk to then?
Ateleir Faye: Alchemist of the Valentian Deliverance. Nice to see that Hidari’s artwork doesn’t stray too far from her roots, yet they do have that Fire Emblem charm.
Not sure how to feel about the Amiibo mechanics. Having an Einjehar mechanic is weird, especially with it being just another Alm or Celica. It’s redundant. I guess the other amiibo will give items, or maybe include the Hero Battles from Fates.
On the website it says they’ll also give you an ally–a monster-type one–… for one turn. ONE. :/
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So they want to have an event that features permadeath… but it isn’t actually permadeath? How is that going to work?
I have a theory, but it’s only that. I was thinking that they will set up a series of map, that we have to challenge in sequence (with a select team of units?) and any units that get KO’d in the process won’t be usable in the event for its remainder.
Though honestly, I can’t really see that working any other way (yet). Gonna be interesting to see what they have planned.
Isn’t it something where you can’t use Light’s Blessing to revive fallen units?
Possibly, but I doubt it, seeing as we already have maps that deny the use of that item, so an event of the sort hardly seems new. And if you don’t use the Light’s Blessing in the first place, it would change nothing.
Yeah, but consider this. If we have an actual loss of units if they fall here, and how hard some units are to get, you essentially make yourself lose a unit that you could have spent so much money on for all we know. Such a thing would be absolutely unacceptable and would get Heroes to get a lot of bad publicity. So it has to be those maps like Arena battles where you cannot use Light’s Blessing.
I never suggested ‘actual’ permadeath. What I am speculating is a special series of (temporary, I didn’t mention that, but seeing as it’s an event, it seems like the logical conclusion) maps where defeated units cannot be used again on those maps specifically. So you could still use those units, just not for those event maps. I realize my wording may have been confusing, so sorry for that.
Believe me, I am very aware of the impact of actual full-on permadeath in Heroes and wouldn’t support it for a second myself. As part of a seperate event, though, and purely isolated to that event, I think that would be fine.
If it was something like a consecutive kind of battle or something, but units that lost cannot be used anymore would be interesting as if you want to keep using those units, you can try using some extra units you don’t use as possible canonfodder while saving your strongest units for last. That would indeed be interesting.
It would also promote the use of units with more longevity and the ones that help others survive, primarily all the healers that are just a little neglected right now.
Actually, aside from Elise, very few healers are that good, mostly because Elise has mobility and can heal 15 points of damage, and her special raises attack power by 4 points.
I’m aware of that, that’s why I say they are neglected. Though I did not know Elise was the generally favoured healer. I personally thought the ones with Rehabilitate were typically the most useful due to how much they could potentially heal. From low to full in a single turn seems really strong. And on that note, at first glance, I’d probably say Priscilla, who combines Rehabilitate with 3 movement. Fear also seems more useful than Slow, though the latter has a niche with a Draw Back user.
I found Elise to be pretty useful, probably cause she was the first 5* hearler I got in my team, and the second one I leveled up to 40. But she is pretty good, as her attack can actually do some form of damage to some units, meaning that she does have some offensive power, and Gravity works quite well in reducing unit movement if used right. And her Special Skill when healing makes you be able to give 4+ attack to all units, which is always helpful since the other units are essentially the attacker. Not to say that the additional 10 points heal special skill is bad, because that would be very useful, especially for Physic users.
This is my opinion: You play the “pemadeath maps” with your 4 units team (Exemple: Marth, Robin, Camilla and Takumi). And then, Robin died in a battle. Now, you can not use that Robin in the “pemadeath maps”. If you want to use Robin, you need to have another Robin, a different one.
So, if your unit die in theses maps, you can not use this unit anymore… in this mode, of course. This unit will be blocked, not be allowed to fight in this mode again.
The game’s events takes place in the year 401? Hmm… the timelines article I found on this web site says Marth’s games and Gaiden take place in the 600s, so does this mean Echoes has retconned when Alm and Celica’s quests take place? If so–and assuming the placement of Marth’s games didn’t change with the remakes–then it would be a little tough to explain how Palla, Catria, and Est would be running around with Alm and Celica. On the other hand, it gives a little more leeway to how Falchion could’ve hopped between two continents without anyone knowing (assuming Falchion is even still in Echoes; there’s a chance they replaced it with a completely different weapon).
I don’t think this’ll be a big deal in the long run, but unless they changed Falchion to a different sword and replaced the pegasus trio with different characters, we’ll have some continuity issues to work out. ^_^;;
The calendar used in this game is probably different than the ones used in the Archanea games, since it refers to itself as the Valentian calendar, and starts when the concept of a calendar was introduced to that continent.
Different calendars would explain a few things regarding the pegasus trio, but not so much the bouncing Falchion (as amusing an image as that is). That bit of continuity weirdness was there in the original version of Gaiden, but again, it’s easily fixed with a simple name change. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. 🙂
The FE1/FE3/FE:A Falchion is one Falchion as they all function the same, are said to be the same, etc. The weaker Falchion in SD is another Falchion as it’s obviously different. And, the FE2/SoV Falchion is yet another as it both functions differently–seals a goddess, has no starspheres–and is never said to be the same that I can recall.
With the Japanese subtitle being “Another Hero-King”, I think they’ll keep it as “Falchion” to continue drawing parallels with Marth.
As mentioned, the Falchion isn’t a unique weapon in the series and there can be more than one at a time. Whether through timey wimey shenanigans or just breaking a tooth from a dragon’s jaw.
There were two Falchions. Alm’s Falchion is just like Marth’s Falchion, except a different wielder. They’re two seperate swords with the same name and purpose.
The Amiibo data…that doesn’t look good for my hopes of Roy’s Amiibo doing SOMETHING in a Fire Emblem game. Nonetheless, I still cling desperately to the hope that they haven’t forgotten our boy.
Also, yay for an updated look for everyone so they don’t look…like they used to. That was…I still have nightmares about some of the old portraits…*shudder*
The character artwork looks so cool!
THESE VOICES ARE GREAT
Animations are awkward, but the voices. Great.
Between the food and the attributes, gameplay looks reaaaally wonky but I’m still interested.
Kamui from a distant nation, huh? Say’ri’s ancestor perhaps?
Abit worried that alm’s pegasus seems to be missing could she have been removed?
She’s probably still there. Ctrl + F “Clair” in the article.
The Milas gear is definitely gonna be good for dangerous risky actions.
Aww, the female Mages still promoted to Priestess, I was hoping that they could get promoted to Sage classes like the male Mages do.
Mila’s Gear: Literally the Chariot system from Tactics Ogre.
Where do I sign up for the Rigelian Empire? The Church of Duma, perhaps?
“Poor harvests caused the food-stocks of the Rigelian Empire to run dry. Rigel’s request for assistance from Zofia were met with rejection. Rudolf I himself led the troops to invade Zofia. Rigel and Zofia entered all-out war.”
So basically this is what Fates should have been but wasn’t.
I bought Conquest first because this is what I thought it would be. Before the end of Chapter 6 I realized that was a mistake. rEGRET
To think that the story we all expected Fates to deliver would be brought to us by an expansion of an NES game.
Then again the development for this game was kept under wraps really well and wasn’t hindered by stupid decision making.
… Still no Tellius.
OTL
Not a designated focus yet, but seeing as how I run a Sanaki, I’m pretty sure there’s Tellius characters.
Awww, I really liked Berkut’s design. Too bad he’s most likely going to be en enemy, I would have put him on my squad.
So now that this feature is live, I am curious what sort of new, interesting, gimmicky or potentially broken inheritance options people have found. Slapping Close Counter/Distant Counter and Vantage onto everything remotely combat-competent is one idea, and I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of Life&Death and Fury being thrown around as well. That’s viable and legit, sure, but that’ll be kinda boring, so I was hoping people would share some (more interesting?) ideas.
If anything, a few things I thought of was passing Escape Route or Wings of Mercy to certain units, specifically dancers/singers/healers. The *raven tomes would be great to override any others without bonuses or *blade for countering Takumi or other colorless. *wolf tomes would also be another great choice for anti-cavalry. Breakers to improve one’s effectiveness against what they are already strong against can help, especially if they are slow like Effie. You already brought up Vantage, there’s also Quick Riposte that could achieve the same, or similar at least. Beyond that, maybe things that can boost a unit’s low stats like +Defense as the images above showed, or to just fill an empty slot. Hana’s been incredible for me, 1-shots Hector, I’d like to replace her Obstruct skill since that is completely out of place on her, so Pass may be an option, Desperation would be good too if she’s already low on HP, and Threaten Spd/Def/Atk would fill the void and give her better odds of killing or surviving. Any Threaten would be good on most units to weaken enemies as they are baited. Hone/Fortify could further increase the gap and almost guarantee victory. As for healers, transfer to them Rehabilitate and Recover and switch as necessary, warp healing, different Balms, Defiant or + Def/Res for durability. That’s all I can think of right now, not too many unique combinations.
I was also thinking that skills like Swap and Pivot are probably great for the armour knights as a pseudo movement increase, and the ability to inherit Goad/Ward, etc skills would allow one to customize a team of units of a specific movement type, even more so with soon-increased availability of the shield skills (like Michalis, who will no doubt carry Iote’s Shield. Suddenly, a team of fliers doesn’t just die outright at the mere sight of Takumi).
Very true, did not think of Pivot since I don’t use it nor do I use armored too often because of the 1 move. For something like the missions with “Beat X using 4 armored” it would be incredible to have all of them with Pivot, just flying across the map… Assuming there is space to do so, in which case Shove or Smite may help just as well. I have used Effie to Smite units across the lava and water tiles on certain maps. Pivot would also allow a knight to move in front of anyone that might have taken too much damage and they can immediately facetank a good hit or two (but I’ve always had knights too far away for that to happen thanks to the 1 move). I’ll certainly look into all of it more, just need more units now (and to not send home duplicates any more, but there goes some feather income).
Wings of Mercy on SURPRISE, EFFIE.
I plan on sticking a defiant skill on my 5 star Nino for that beautiful +7 atk, and maybe desperation. The only problem is making sure she doesn’t get 1hkod.
Miracle is pretty much the only way Nino would survive anything. She’s one of the Glassiest Cannons there is.
I was thinking about GaleForce – sure, it takes a freakin’ 5 actions to charge, but assuming it isn’t locked to Lyn/Cordelia that’s an option, especially for someone like Roy, who doesn’t seem to get any sort of battle Skill as far as I can see. Admittedly, you’re sacrificing Lyn for Roy, which a lot of people I know would say is a bad idea, but that’s a thought. Another thing you could do is give Olivia/Azura a battle Skill like Luna(Night Sky) so they have more offensive power. Also trying to figure out how I can get my Sakura to be better, so if anyone’s got a suggestion, mine is at 4S right now with almost all available Skills already unlocked.
The real question: Can I get rid of my Alfonse/Sharena/Anna to give their decent Skills to a Unit that I’ll actually use? I’m assuming no, but still have fingers crossed.
My only regret about Inheritance was that I pulled a second 5S Camilla and used it to boost my other Camilla – definitely would have saved her if I’d known ahead of time because Brave Axe/Draconic Gaze.
You can’t get rid of Alfonse/Sharena/Anna. Ever. Trust me, I checked.
Remember that you can also have a unit inherit a skill for a slot they already have occupied. Now, Roy does have a unique weapon, of course, but otherwise, as far as sword units are concerned, even without skills, he’s got stiff competition. So yeah, personally, I wouldn’t soon use lose Lyn for Galeforce on him (if I had either in the first place). Unless you really like Roy’s Binding Blade, I feel it may be more worthwhile building up another sword unit.
That’s my personal opinion, though. Maybe you really like Roy, in which case, more power to you. After all, with in Inheritance, you can make pretty much anyone worthwhile. Maybe not the best, but hey.
Sacrifice Wrys to give his Whole-Party Heal to Sakura. So now she can heal at range as well as the entire party.
The sad thing is that Close Counter and Distant Counter belong only to Takumi and Hector respectively, and the odds that you’d actually want to get rid of them is nil. You’d have to get multiple Hectors and Takumi and then use them up.
I love that they example they gave us was Eliwood passing skills to Roy. Possible hint at a FE6+7 Echoes remake?
…nope.
No but it would be a cool implementation for Roy and Lilina!
Maybe – I think either Genealogy will get a redo first as it’s the next oldest game(plus nobody at Nintendo loves Roy as far as I can see), or we’ll get an English version of New Mystery of the Emblem, but after that, Binding Blade’s the only Japan-exclusive, plus even Nintendo should be able to see how much fans would pay to get to play Roy’s story legally, and not even just FE fans at that – the only reason I got into Awakening was because I wanted to know more about the two new guys from Smash Bros.(Lucina and Robin), so it stands to reason that the same rule would apply to Re:Binding Blade.
FE 6+7 only makes so much sense. they could get tactitian/mark as an actual playable charecter and it wouldn’t change much, and they could work with the children mechanic for FE6 charecters and actually introduce more charecters for desendents of FE7 charecters. and people loved FE4’s childern mechanic.
Genealogy’s 2-Gen mechanic is why I think it’ll be next for a remake instead of them fusing Roy and Eliwood’s stories into one game next – that was part of why a lot of people liked Awakening and Fates so much. Frankly, I doubt we’ll ever see New Mystery in English outside of fan-translations, but it is still an option. Either way, whichever we get probably isn’t coming for a couple years since they’re working on FE for the Switch right now.
I think we’ll see new mystery eventually.
Skill inherit broke the game. U can literally inherit anything
Almost. For instance, special weapons like Falchion, Durandal, Armads, etc are character-specific, and some skills are specific to certain types of units. A Dragon cannot inherit Svalinn Shield. A Cavalier cannot inherit Goad Fliers. A ranged attacking unit cannot inherit Knock Back. Just a few examples of exceptions.
Still, we’ll have to see how broken units can really get. And who knows, if any unit does get outrageously broken, perhaps we’ll get rebalancing measures to compensate. Maybe.
I mean that part is obvious
The rebalancing measure is presumably arena matchmaking, but we need more details to know for sure. They made it sound like they’d heavily rate skills in matchmaking now. That would be nice if they do it well. A good matchmaking system would also allow them to more fairly reward points on factors like value difference between you and your opponent, survival and time to clear rather than just strict point value of your opponent and survival like they do now.
To me, they’d need to both make the good matchmaking and re-work rewarded points like that in order to fix the system entirely. Beyond that, the only hope would be proper use of the tier system so everybody with broken stuff gets cordoned away in higher tiers over time.
The voice is decent. Not as good as Awakening highs, but at least not as low as Fates. It looks like there will be more voiced lines in Echoes than the previous game.
“No cost… other than the Hero” wait wait wait, your hero gets DELETED from giving their skill to someone else???
Yes. Otherwise it would just be entirely too easy to just giver everyone Vantage and Vengeance.
How else would you have inheritance work? The demand for Orbs/Feathers is high enough as is, and without some sort of cost, I feel like the game would just explode.
I figured it would involve deleting the skill from the other unit
So, is Celica a pre-promote, or is she just in a “special” version of the Priestess class?
She’s a lord basically, so she’s not a prepromote.
Suddenly, a shower of orbs. I can live with this. …Now if I’d actually pull something decent for once, then it’d be truly great.
Ugh seriously, Ive had 3 crap rounds of draws in a row.
At least inheritance means that nobody is really truly useless anymore.
It’s true, I’ve got a use for everyone now.
I suppose right now the issue more than anything is getting 5-star units, either through direct pull or upgrading them there. 20K Feathers is still a lot, and I feel constantly compelled to use my feathers on 3-star units to upgrade them into 4-star ones, because a lot of them can be good, and even more now that inheritance is a thing, seeing as many only get their valuable skills from 4-star on.
Well, they can’t screw up three times in a row, can they?
Here’s to hoping.
>doesn’t like new Fire Emblem
>keeping up with Fire Emblem news
????
Crazy, isn’t it? 🙂
Perhaps not all older fans have given up on the series and this site just yet,
eventhough new fans here behave rude.
>NEW fans are the rude ones
??????????
Yes. You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the new games.
Some old fans might behave frustrated at times because one of their favourite series went off track, but the respone to mere criticism is pretty awful.
You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the old games, no matter go good of a reason they have. Some new fans might be frustrated at times because they’re being treated like they’re doing something wrong by having fun, but the response to having different taste is pretty awful.
It’s like crying wolf–so much of the so-called criticism of newer games is just plain stupid that it’s no surprise some people have stopped listening to it altogether. But seriously, if you hang around the blogs and such of newer fans, you’ll see they have plenty of criticism about what wasn’t good and what could have been handled better. “Not being able to handle criticism” is something I’ve only ever seen coming from older fans.
Wow! I did well getting Anna to 4 stars, she will see some use on my arena score! Wait, wait… I also have Ursula, Rebecca and Fir… this time I can make a team of all focus heroes for the first time!
u actually only need 1 to get the bonus points adding more will not increase the bonus
Whoever these developers are… bless them
So for anyone who have played the original game, is it ever a good idea to give mages a melee weapon? I know shields is a better option but I like a hybrid betweem melee and magic.
I started to level up Ursula for the Arena, and I gave her Felicia’s skill: Glacies, which bost her attack with 80% of her Resistence, and… OhmiGosh, she is amazing! Too bad that Blarwolf is only Mt 6, but at least it is good against cavalry.
I was pretty close to putting feathers to up my 3-star Corrin to a 4-star, so the free unit is nice.
The answer is obviously Sable Knights; duh!
Dang it, I have a class then. 15 minutes later or 30 minutes earlier and I could.
Go to the bathroom to play it.
That’s not something you do in college classes, because then you’re screwed because you miss stuff.
5:15pm PST? …..might be able to swing an early lunch to at least get hard done but definitely try lunatic if I can
12:15 PM Monday, in Greenwich Mean Time is 5:15 AM PST Monday
realized that while I was at work >.> so set my alarm and hope I wake up and stay awake to do it
do it for the feathers! owo)b
The event begins at 11:15am GMT, not 12:15pm GMT. It will begin 55 minutes from now.
Yeah I missed it because I went to bed and did not see the one line of bold text that said the time changed
Meanwhile I’ll just be waking up… Thank you school for getting me up early!
In the middle of my shift damm, well I can always go to the restroom xD
MOAR ORBS!!!
Yay i https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cbb1f64067e7a138c5e9e556c9884ebe472391385ef617db18044e9b217342eb.png got the 4* with this team 😉
Well glad we were able to get it but am sad that I was unable to contribute because I failed to see the updated time D:
My team (cleared Lunatic on first attempt after using Hard to scout the map), plus suggestions for non-randomly obtained substitutes:
1. Narcian (4* Max Level) baited and ORKO’d the lace pegasus, also killed the lace soldier on the left. 3* version can probably handle this since he shouldn’t need all 3 ranks of Lancebreaker to do his job. In my strategy, Narcian’s role as a flying green who can ORKO the lance pegasus — without baiting anything else in the process — was not replaceable by other free units, so hopefully you have him or a good substitute (you could consider baiting Michalis instead, if you have a red flier).
2. Takumi (5* Max Level) killed the other pegasus, though any decently leveled archer should work fine (Virion is available for free, and I believe Gordin will be featured in the upcoming Focus if you dismissed or transferred the former).
3. Tharja (5* Max Level) easily ORKO’d Michalis. Sadly, the free, neutral-natured Raigh and Sophia won’t be fast enough to double Michalis without skill transfers (need at least 32 speed), so field a refresher — Ninian, or Azura, or the free Olivia — to help either of those two, field a different, faster mage, or use another strategy. Remember that Michalis isn’t weak to bows thanks to Iote’s Shield.
4. Marth (5* Max Level) handled the sword cavalier on the left and was basically filler for my team. If you don’t have a reliable way to ORKO Michalis, this spot could be used for Olivia, who is available today (March 20) in the Special Maps, or another refresher. If you field Raigh in slot 3, he should able to deal with the sword cavalier with Olivia’s help, assuming Rauðrwolf doesn’t OHKO.
3 star Narcian under Lv 32 can also do this work perfectly.
GUess I’ll go for GS preorder until I can get it from somewhere better.
So it was worthwhile to wait with the preorderering. Now to wait for it to pop somewhere.
GS preorders already sold out. Such bs.
Go in store, that is how I was able to get mine.
It was up for at least 2 hours, which is a bit of an improvement. I was able to snag one, but I’m hoping I’ll be able to snag one from amazon and save a good $20
I was able to pre-order the limited edition bundle in my GS
Lol was sold before I even woke up whatever it’s not like it has a 3 in 1 cartridge
I’ve already preordered my copy of FESoV so preordering again would be a waste, besides it’s not like it’ll even be in stock for more than a few minutes before the scalpers get to them.
You can just cancel your old preorder…
I did it on Amazon though and I can already tell I’m not gonna get a special edition open in time, scalpers are fast.
Oh, true. Don’t let that stop you from trying, though. Unless you don’t want it that much, in which case you should just save yourself the trouble.
Kay, I’ll keep trying
I’m messed up about the guy pronounced it as “val-en-TEE-uh” when, considering the alternate spelling is Valencia, by all means it should be “val-EN-shia”
Given how many names get changed entirely, something like that isn’t even worth blinking at…
Was able to preorder In store at gamestop 5 hours after it sold out online. Might want to give them a call.
I want to know what kind of skill you get from shields.
There had better be a Delphi Shield-type one to protect your fliers from the obscene bow range.
Pretty sure bows didn’t deal extra damage to fliers in Gaiden.
The basic Bow didn’t, but equippable ones did.
Right, it’s been a while since I played it.
Amazon is up right now
https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Emblem-Echoes-Shadows-Valentia-Nintendo/dp/B06XRSXJNG/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1490200045&sr=1-2&keywords=fire%2Bemblem%2Bechoes&th=1
GS was willing to let me switch my preorder from the SV to the LE over the phone, but I couldn’t preorder the Amiibos that way, so I left work a few hours early to get that done. The guy said I was the third preorder to switch to the limited edition, but it and the Amiibo dual pack were still available.
I really hope that the summoning for “one turn” is a typo or something… It seems like making a whole character animation for one turn of Marth, Ike, etc is a bit of a waste and a letdown. Perhaps one map or match, instead of one turn?
Eh, went for the regular edition with amiibo’s. Artbook and pins would be nice to have but I’ve been through the whole absurd, obsessive freak-out agony that is hoping for stock to come back (and that game turned out to suck so… so badly). Energy that doesn’t need to be spent.
Where was it shown that the Gold Dagger only has 1 Mt?
In the footage released by Rebekah Valentine from apptrigger.com, the actual PAX East trailers, Saber was running around with it on a map of Celica vs Terrors and Grieth’s crew
Congrats, Coatl!
This remake is so gorgeous!! These scenes in the game are amazing and clean!
Hmm, those Lunatic Quests don’t seem so bad. And unlike another recent set of quests, these don’t demand you do the same thing 5, 10 or even 15 times. This is pretty easy by comparison. And in total, that’s 20 orbs in all. Thank you kindly! And those 10 extra stamina potions make the process that much quicker and less painless, if you want to use them for this. I think I’ll save my orbs for the next banner, though.
Echoes looks great so far, but I think we knew that already.
You manage to get through 9-5? I managed to get through the others with some difficulty, but this last one is the toughest, since I need to bring an axe user, but hardly anyone seems suited to fight.
I just love how completely nucking futs Slayde looks.
I’d actually like it if there wasn’t a supportsystem this time.
Makes things too easy.
Kind of wish Heroe’s would produce more time-consuming story-content. (I know they said they’ll update the story every 2 weeks and yes I’ve played other gacha games before). Because while its normal for banners to be up for like 2 weeks, typically when new stuff comes around the events that follow take up that amount of time. (This is from previous experience from Fate Grand Order and GrandBlue Fantasy)….because basically Heroe’s just gives us a new banner but only paralouges that can be finished in 1-2 days. Leaving the remaining 12-13 days of boredom and grinding. Or when they last updated the story like a week ago it was only one brief xenologue…..like I kind of expected to get a full chapter (5 battles)….but….yeah….we waited that long for just one chapter with one battle. I would be fine with the way they’re currently doing things if instead of having 2 weeks of Blazing Shadows it was instead 10 days….considering I finished the paralogues in one day.
Plus they’re really taking too long to update these characters. Considering they have all of these games to utilize they’re releasing new characters at a snails pace (again, I know they basically want it every 2 weeks. That means that we’ll only get like 28 new banners in a full year. At the very minimum if there’s 4 new characters per banner that means 112 characters a year. Not counting that they literally will take a break from new characters to do a rate up of existing characters whenever we have a grand battle…..so what I’m saying is that they’re able to stretch this content out for years (I’m guessing they want to so they’re able to somehow incorporate the new FE that’s coming out on Switch).
I mean hell, I’m not saying just release a full games worth of characters at once. What I’m saying is that at least change things up by replacing some existing characters with newer -not as important to warrant their own banner- characters. Like would it kill them to replace Virion with like….Will from FE7? Neimi from FE 8? Or hell, even give us the same characters but as different colors to go along with class changing. Like instead of having red Stahls, give us a blue Stahl…..ugh.
So this can be summed up that while Heroes has been generous with the amount of freebies they’re giving out, they’re still working at a snails pace. They need to create content that is able to last as long as the banners they release. Not give us 2 weeks of the same new characters while only giving us paralogues that can be completed in a day.
Inb4 someone tells me that there’s still stuff to do in that game. Because oh yeah, just arena grinding for feathers is “So Fun” If it wasn’t for these new quests I would be bored as hell. Difference is that these missions are being played on already existing chapters so its not anything new. After the April updates come in they really need to take a look at the actual story and work on that.
But I’ve been spending money on this game so its not like I’m stopping anytime soon. I just hope there’s more for me to do than just to log in at night and get my orbs, do 3 arena battles, and do random orb quest grinding.
The art for the Amiibo characters is amazing, no offense to the last guy but Hidari does a FAR better art style for this series.
I’m sure mostly everyone agrees with you there including me I hope she stays and does more! 🙂
… Sigh… so any idea how to beat 9-2 – 9-5 on Lunatic? Because I am having a shitty hard time winning without losing any comrades. Its like you HAVE to use the Light’s Blessing to win.
Oh man that Kellam card. Whoever came up with that idea deserves a raise!
It’s about time Aless and Lene were finally released. One of the most underrated couples in the series ever. I like how you see Bramsel perving in the background of Lene’s. They really went bold on Lene’s design.
And hooray it looks like the subs are getting cards after all!
Also I really like how they made Kellam’s holographic. That’s a nice touch.
any word on the next batch of new characters?
Not yet, I think. We don’t get the next focus for a week, so we’ve got time. The current one ends on the 30th.
Cool just have 120+ orbs sitting on the burner since I got all the quests done and now just have to resist temptation to summon until new people XD
I’m in the same boat! I saved a lot for the last new banner but all I wanted was Ninian, and I was lucky enough to get her with ~40 Orbs left. I don’t really care much for the Michalis banner either, so now I’m sitting at 130 Orbs, twiddling my thumbs. Hoping we get something cool next week!
I want to roll for more units, but I already have three of these characters.
They pack some useful skills for inheritance at least. Eliwood’s Axebreaker and Ward Cavalry, Selena’s Triangle Adept and Reposition, Gordin’s Brave Bow and Vantage, and Minerva’s Life&Death and Ward Fliers (and she’s a solid unit in her own right). All skills that I’d personally find spots for on other units with ease. I’d happily get any of them for that.
aw i thought i could get 4 michalis
Seeing this couple grow is gonna be a treat for me especially what they can do at the end of the game!
The illusory hero models look so creepy…
*Sobs because we’re going to have to wait another game for Roy to mean anything to any Fire Emblem player who isn’t into Smash Bros.*
This is very good news, crossing my fingers so the supports and story are good.
old fashioned supports huh? I’m game as long as they don’t have a maximum support point per map like back in the day, save for maybe one support per map.
As long as we don’t go back to having an arbitrary cap on supports per character per run, I’m totally fine with this.
“healing provides exp”
“gba style support convos”
yeeaaaAAAAHHHHH
The game looked so awesome at Dutch Comic Con. <3 Too bad it was on easy though, it was a breeze to play through if you played any Fire Emblem game before. I was still really happy to play it, and there wasn't even a line. I was able to start playing the moment I arrived at the stand.
Did they show what this Rinean girl looks like during at the Dutch Comic Con? I did heard someone mentioned it the she gives the player with the Azura vibes and she is the girlfriend or fiancee of Berkut.
Haven’t seen her. I also skipped all story stuff because spoilers. I also barely used any units aside from Alm and Clive because Alm could tank everything and Clive becauseof his movement. So I honestly barely even remember what units I was able to use. ;p
I don’t think those count as spoilers if it’s in the demo.
These are great changes, especially the unit placement! I know I had been screwed over on a few maps simply because my units were in the wrong spots… >_<
Just imagine that map that places 2 units at bottom left and 2 top right. Won’t get screwed as hard there
Or the one that puts just one in the room that would normally have Ryoma. That one sucks when you get your squishy Nino stuck in there with nowhere to run.
It only was bad when certain in-closed a unit really. Otherwise, it
hardly matters when your whole team isn’t in the danger zone since enemies don’t move until you’re close. (Arena a different story)
All of these are big YES-ses. Starting positions should’ve been a thing from the start. This will take a LOT of RNG-screwage out of the game. Especially in a game where movement range is so small, this can be absolutely crucial to the outcome of a battle.
Increased Stamina Pool is also long overdue. Stamina is EASILY the most complained-about aspect of the game, especially since literally just TWO runs of the later story maps would already consome almost the entire gauge. The increased gauge should make it a lot more forgiving, and it buffs up the value of stamina potions as well. Better be saving those till the update hits.
Increased EXP for lower-star units? …To be honest, it’s not the first thing I’d have thought of, but it is a logical change, since these weaker units are in fact harder to train. I welcome the change.
Most definitely. It was annoying going into battle, only for my placement to be so bad that I get screwed over. This should have been the thing that was given from the start. Not being able to change placement is really bad.
My god, how this will make using the stamina up so much easier. Like, now I don’t have to worry that I gotta wait forever, and if the stamina reaches 50, then it won’t continue and if I’m working, that’s stamina points that could be recovering being lost. XP
Good thing I have all that stamina potions saved.
Given how little we get 5* units, and get a lot more lower* units, this is good.
That is impressive.
I can understand that stamina and exp are concepts that needed some testing and feedback before being updated, but I feel like the ability to arrange your units prior to battle should’ve been included from the beginning.
So with all these new changes coming up, hopefully they start working on the story and events to be more….impactful? Like having 99 stamina to use is nothing if there’s nothing to spend it on since at this point I don’t need to train any of my units and I just do 3 arena battles a day. When they updated the story last time I kind of expected to have more than just one xenologue chapter. Even these banners take too long to change. While gacha games do have banners for 1-2 weeks, they create content to go along with the banner that’ll help players be occupied (like Fate G/O and GrandBlue). But them just creating short paralogues that can be completed in a day is wasteful since the remaining 13 days are spent in boredom or random grinding. But seriously, is there a place fans can actually write their concern about this game to the creators?
MarkyJoe is that you?
How much I want this to be our 4th place winners.
I wish they released some more footage, but oh well.
Pretty certain those are Marth and Eirika. Could be wrong, though.
Its Camilla and Chrom along with Lucina and Xander for Spring costumes.
Yea, NoA tweeted it, and then deleted the tweet after. so pretty safe to say those are the 4.
Holy crap that video they released…..Xander sounds so gay XD. But I got to say….at least they’re rocking those outfits
I had a feeling that wasn’t Lucina. But she’s in the banner anyway. Interesting. I like the new weapon types.
Hoping that Chrom turns out to be a decent axe user. I’m low on green units. To any neigh-sayers, you would be surprised. Some alternate outfit characters tend to be better than their original counterparts (well at least with my experience with Fate Grand Order). These all may be gag characters but there’s potential for them to fit within your team (or just use them for skill sacrifices if you’re into that).
Great time to be a Lucina and Camilla fan als Lucina has 2 special outfits on the way!
Man this is cringe af.
I’ll say it again the CG art is amazing also these minor changes from the original is a welcome addition!
One word; HYPE!!!
HYYYYYPE
The sprite for the male Sage looks weird. It looked like they’re wearing a bulky dress lol. I’m disappointed with Shield skill.
Also, glad to see they aren’t going to fan-service this up.
Hoping for more remakes in the future.
IMO that’s very unlikely if SWITCH is the target console since that’s going to be expensive to make. 3ds is possible assuming Nintendo doesn’t pull the plug next year.
Tellius series is made for home consoles though, so it might still be a possibility?… praying… I grew up with those games ;-;
Tellius wasn’t a remake though. It was a new game. A remake on a home console is very risky.
Not really
You mean to say like how there hasn’t been a remake of an FE game on a Nintendo’s home console? You have no precedent to back up your claim. Tellius is also one of the worse selling FE game.
You have no clue what your talking about when it comes to making a game on anything stop making up stuff because you don’t want it….
You’re the one who couldn’t accept the precedents. No remake so far on consoles. The 2 FE game on a home consoles are gigantic flops. What happened to WiiU again? Flop. A home consoles asset require far more time and money than a handheld. Would you really think Nintendo would waste that kind of resources on an FE remake on a home console? Not even the best selling Wii got a FE remake. What makes you think SWITCH can hold a candle with those Wii sales?
Tellius-like sales here we come with the transition to SWITCH!!!
Isn’t the switch a handheld and console hybrid? So they’ll be making a game for both console and handheld play. FE switch is already announced so that means they have been working on a FE engine for that platform which they can regurgitate for future fe games on switch. Asset creation would obviously be more expensive to produce than 3ds ones but Nintendo is surely going to want IS to buff up the switch library.
Remakes don’t seem that unlikely if echoes does well enough and the series’ popularity continue to grow, especially considering that they can sell it to both old and new fans (and how Nintendo as a whole love remakes lol). This may not be the case before but the fire emblem brand has certainly gained more recognition throughout the years and it would be a good idea to use previous games as groundworks for future projects.
Of course I feel like they would remake fe4 (which has a large following in Japan) first before hd remastering Tellius but who knows. Right now we’re just hyping about what we have so far with echoes: SoV, fe switch etc, which is already pretty swell.
Don’t bother their making no facts to their attempted argument….
Your making yourself look more rediculous just stop….also using the WiiU as a attempted argument is laughable marketing is everything not what the console is plus soon Pokemon’s gonna follow suit as well.
I don’t see what is risky about it…
You do know the difference of a home console and a handheld right? The cost alone to make it won’t justify the remake. Ever wonder why MonHun stayed on 3ds/PSP ? Not to mention Tellius is also one of the worst selling FE game and guess what it’s on a home console.
I thought they didn’t put Monster Hunter on consoles most of the time, because local play was so important to it, especially in Japan. Same thing with the core Pokémon games, and why they haven’t appeared on a console before. The Switch would solve that issue, though.
Of course, costs is probably also part of the equation, but I doubt that’s the sole reason.
Ok. I see your points and they are problems that can occur. I do believe, however, with Fire Emblem’s new popularity, cost won’t be an issue anymore. Really NONE of the fire emblem games sold well before awakening, so that’s probably why there was never a remake. I assume with the series revival, there will be more room to experiment and make a remake or two.
I believe that Nintendo will have lower expectations with the transition to Switch( the damn console alone cost a lot).
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a remake in the Fire Emblem Switch engine a few years after that is released.
Where are you basing that? All remakes have been on handhelds since they are cheaper to make. With how awful Tellius sold they better thread carefully with this one.
All the remakes are on handheld because all the remakes were made after they switched to handheld only. And “cheaper to make” also applies to making games in an existing framework, which is why i suggested it would come after Fire Emblem Switch.
And then there is the fact i think of the Switch as a handheld too.
IMO it’s too early to judge that. Japan is not that fond of home consoles. Nintendo should expect lower sales with the transition to Switch not mention the probability of Switch being another WiiU 2.0 which means lack of 3rd party support.
Gee, a guy who conceals his identity behind a mask??? I wonder who else did that(Sirrius, Black Knight, Mysterious Man, Lucina). Still, I wonder who this guy is….
It’s not Camus/Zeke that’s for sure (no sarcasm).
I have to say, I’m kind of disappointed by this set. Maybe they’ll turn out to be strong, but wen in that case it would be weird to put one of these four on your team. Im not really against alternate artwork as a concept, but I’m not a fan of these four.
A flying mage ought to be fairly nifty. Now if only they’ll finally give us some bow knights and perhaps Kinshi Knights later on.
Also- pretty funny that we get this joke Xander before the actual Xander.
I can’t decide. Do I spend my precious orbs and pull? Or do I not pull. I don’t particularly care for any of them, but Camilla is currently the only mage flier, and Lucina and Chrom both have at least one very useful skill in Swift Sparrow (I’d pass that on through inheritance for sure) or Axe Experience (which would just be an incredible long-term investment for training up Axe units). Xander… looks like dead weight, though. I’m completely F2P, so I don’t want to just throw in my orbs at the first opportunity I get.
I’m honestly glad they are event exclusive so I never get one in a random pull. Looks like I’ll have a ton of orbs in 2 weeks when the next one hits.
well had a fair amount of luck on this one and got everyone and a few others fairly easily. However with my track record in mind that means I’m getting jack shit for the next 2 banners I try for.
Oh, they’re supposed to be anonymous? That’s awkward – I put my name on mine.
got chrom and xander from 80 stones
Camilla was my first green 5 star.
Bunny Camilla is now my second.
63 stones and my very first pulls were 5-stars: Cordelia, Julia, & Abel. All in a row. Everything else was pretty much either ass or straight up skill inheritance material. But I’ll take what I can get. I’m just happy I now don’t have to spend 20,000 feathers on upgrading my 4 star Abel
Well, I’m glad this game allows players like me to use Light’s Blessing in Chapter 9 on Lunatic mode, otherwise I never would’ve earned Orbs.
I got my 5-Star Bunny Camilla, but I didn’t get my 5-Star Bunny Lucina, instead I got my 5-Star original Lucina. …Yay?
Well, it’s about time they’re gonna add the “Battle Preparations”. Why didn’t they add this part in the first place?!
Reminds me of the ObsidianWasp meme
Is this an April Fool’s joke? It feels like one…
It’s April 1st in Japan, so yeah it is.
Nintendo has traditionally never taken part in April Fools. Most Japanese companies in general don’t as it’s not really a big deal over there.
If this were coming from NoA that’d be one thing, but from NoJ this is most certainly legit.
https://serenesforest.net/2015/03/31/fire-emblem-awakening-gaiden-mars/ just saying…. Also it literally says “Today is April fools day” on the bottom of the page.
You’d be surprised! Japanese companies are most certainly aware of April Fool’s Day. Those that do take part may, in fact, take it further than usual.
Square Enix announced “Tactics Alex” today, a 16-bit parody of the Alexander storyline in Final Fantasy XIV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp18vWZS_iY
Marvelous announced a grandmother character in Senran Kagura: Peach Beach, complete with wrinkles and bikini. http://www.siliconera.com/2017/03/31/get-eye-bleach-ready-senran-kagura-peach-beach-splashs-april-fool-intense/
Looks absolutely “stunning” indeed….
If u scroll to the very bottom it says today is April fools in Japanese
I want this to be real just because it looks so damn clean
Nice try Japan you sneaks I know my April fool days!
Well played sir, well played (;
Well bullocks.
I rather liked this one better than Chrom on Mars! XD
God damnit i actually thought this was real for a minute.
looks better than the usual crap
I hope someone translates that page for the “game.” I can only imagine the hilarity of its content.
The fact they made a whole web site dedicated to this is so extra. I would live if this actually became a Fire Emblem game but all of the content was just hilarious and not taken seriously. Like a satire on FE itself. Would be so meta, bruhhhhh.
Run like Melos, Marth!
The sad thing is I could see it work as a cute vaporware game, kinda like megaman 9-10, if they ever wanted to make it. The shogun spritework made me chuckle.
Nice one, Intelligent Systems.
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Combining parties is very obvious a thing that’ll happen not because of obvious official pairs for the ending but because of more character interactions that might’ve not happen in the original.
YEEEEES
>Post Game Chapter 6
>Mila’s Gear “peers into the future”
Here come the babs :/
Okay nevermind I was wrong 😀
If this existed, I would not mind buying it and playing it.
If this existed, I would kill someone.
Hmmmmm I’m glad they’re having a post-game chapter, but I wonder what it entails.
I noticed that it is past the ending. So if it’s not a new main villain, is it just a good excuse for children? At least it’s a better excuse than Fates’.
Here’s a little tidbit for ya. It’s not children-related so you don’t have to worry.
Any ideas who to root for? I have no idea…
Camilla is a likely candidate to win the whole thing.
The only other unit I can see possibly having a good chance is Minerva.
What about Cordelia? She seems to have a possible chance.
Ugh, this isn’t like the last one. I knew for sure Lucina would win. Granted, even if she wasn’t a shoe in, I’d choose her, since she’s my fav.
Camillas a shoe in. Trust me. There’s a reason why her and Luci were the two chosen to be bunnies.
Cordelias only claim to fame is that shes in Awakening which the masses idolize.
But in heroes, they messed up her face like Eliwood. And shes not even the favorite in Awakening
Cordelia is very popular, given how she was voted as a top character apart from Tharja. Though for the Heroes poll, Camilla does rank higher. But yeah, Camilla does have the advantage given that she has the bunny outfit, complete with more sex appeal on it.
When the last voting poll was up, I said “the only one who could possibly beat Lucina, prince, princess or otherwise, is probably Camilla.” I still think thats mostly true
I highly doubt that. In all honesty, only girl I can imagine beating Lucina is Lyn. And technically speaking, Lyn DID beat Lucina, in the Heroes Poll.
True, but Lyn is not a princess, not even in the first Voting Gauntlet.
Yeah, I know. But it would have been a close match if they went at it. Like Ephraim and Chrom.
I pick who I actually like and thats My Awakening wife Cherche she, Cordelia, Hinoka and MAYBE Minerva(princess) are popular and has a decent chance but I really don’t care about polls like these too glorified and predictable I pick who I love show IS I care about the other characters!
Oh trust me, I would go for who I love most as well. But unlike the Prince vs Princess one, I don’t have anyone here that I really like. I love Lucina, so of course I chose her. But here, no one really gets me wanting to go for them.
I’d say Minerva, but it’s really your choice. Pick which character you like
So many focusses running at the same time, yet so few orbs to spare (and no, I’m not putting in money). Doesn’t help they decided to cut the login orb bonus now of all times.
Oh my god, the worst Grand Hero battle EVER. And I don’t mean its too hard. No, the opposite. Its too EASY! Didn’t even break a sweat beating everyone. RobinM literally SLAUGHTERED the Ninjas in an instant. Navarre went down quickly, and Lucina cut that axe user down to size. Rebecca could literally take the rest herself as well.
A easy battle for a not that good unit. Navarre is not a good character… I have better sword users than him.
I disagree, but that’s subjective. There are so many sword users, so it’s really up to what you get.
Interesting, unlike last time, each side doesn’t first fight it out amongst themselves. Well then.
I think Camilla is going to crush Hinoka, and I expect Minerva to beat Palla convincingly as well. Subaki vs. Beruka and Cordelia vs. Cherche might be a bit more interesting.
I have a feeling that Camilla will win this round lol, maybe Cordelia will come second.
Cherche lets go she has good chance now! Hinoka might have a decent chance, Subaki bye!, Palla and Minerva are interesting still its gonna be another pointless one which I hate…
So far she did a good job getting so high only thing I care about in these contest is the love each character outside the obvious gets show IS we love the other characters!
Yet another awfully easy GHB. Got it on my second try after I miscalculated the strength of the upper thief on my first go.
Anyway, I’ll be supporting Palla. She was the first unit I got from 3* to 5*, and I also got another 5* on my first orb in this banner, which is nice.
I got it on my first try. Robin was perfect for the job. Even the Lunatic version was easy.
I couldn’t decide, so I literally made my own tournament with the characters… and flipped a coin. Camilla won in the end.
lol yeah. We’re losing kinda hard here though, I seem to have a knack for liking characters the majority don’t.
I like Palla, too. To be honest, I like the characters given, some of them at least, but its just none of them really get my interests up that much. I only chose Camilla cause she won the coin toss. I’d have gone for anyone in the end.
Michalis was op on this map the ninjas do 0x2 to him XD
I got Navarre after beating Hard mode, but there’s no way in HELL I am getting him from Lunatic mode, because Grand Hero Battle Lunatic mode is bullshit!
As for the second Voting Gauntlet? Well, guess who I will be rooting for? A certain Wyvern Rider and a certain princess of Nohr…
Navarre is by far the easiest GHB, though. Have you not even attempted it?
FYI, most of my characters are 4-Stars, especially Kagero and Sophia, and they’re still weak in Lunatic mode. Face it, kid, none of the Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode is easy, never easy at all. So I’d say “Screw the Lunatic Grand Hero Battle”, it messes with our lives, hard!
“Face it, kid…”
Don’t do this.
Kagero is actually stupid good on this map, as all the enemy units are infantry units. Kagero gets effective damage on all of them, so I imagine you could make it farther you may think, with a little bit of strategy. Maybe you can throw in some buffs, or maybe you have a dancer… perhaps you have a sturdy lance unit sitting around for the left end of the map to intercept Navarre?
Besides, it’s only like 15 stamina, making an attempt or two surely won’t hurt that bad. You have something decent to gain, and very little to lose.
I don’t care if it cost low stamina, kid, I’ve had enough with those God forsaken Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode, and there’s nothing you can do to make me play those ever again, misguided kid! The Grand Hero Battle against Michalis in Lunatic mode is where I drew the line, I don’t even want to bother playing those tedious Lunatic modes of any Grand Hero Battles, ever again.
So, I’m giving these Lunatic Grand Hero Battles a middle finger salute, f*** Lunatic Grand Hero Battles, f*** it.
Lunatic Navarre is very easy. I used a sword user, a green tome user, a healer and a dancer.
Maybe for you, because you obviously used all 5-Star level 40 characters, while mine are all 4-Star characters who aren’t level 40 and still weak, lucky cheating punk!
You’ve already been presented with a video of someone beating this GHB with purely free 3-star units of level 40. That’s proof that, so long as you put in the time and effort to grind some units up to level 40, and build your team with some care, you most definitely stand a chance in these GHB’s. Doesn’t mean it’s easy, of course, but at some point you have to stop blaming the game’s design and your poor luck, because even that can be overcome.
I beat it using just 4-star Units that weren’t 40 – Roy(34), who as far as I can tell got BADLY shafted in the overall stat department(the level took me about six tries because he kept getting slaughtered on defense), Sakura(36), who isn’t the most tanky healer nor the best attacker for her weapon type, Palla(30), who’s ok at 4-Star I guess, and Kagero(26), who only managed to not die because extra damage against infantry Units for those close shave kills. I would recommend abusing the Inherit Skill option together with the Training Tower for future Grand Hero Battles. I do feel your pain, though, this is the very first Grand Hero Battle I’ve been able to beat, period – I got wiped out against all the others, in part because I still haven’t pulled even a halfway-decent Blue Unit and in part because all my good pulls only happened in like the past couple days.
In stead of responding rudely, you should have just gave him these tips off the bat. (:
How was I being rude??? I literally just asked this person if they’ve attempted the GHB or not, as the opening comment implied they did not, but you really draw conclusions on it without having actually tried it. I’m seriously confused why I’m being accused of rudeness.
So then give him the tips if you knew his statement implied he didn’t complete it. No use in leaving a vauge response, that can be interpreted in multiple ways. Personally, I saw that comment as snarky… I should probably stop being a pessimist though…
Well fine, I accept that first point, and I’ll try to keep it in mind.. I really didn’t mean to come off as snarky or anything of the sort though.
Yea, online its sort of hard to tell peoples actual meaning with any sentence, but reading over, I definitely see your first comment as having little to no snark. Lol, I hate misunderstandings…
A japanese guy is doing all the Grand Hero Battle with the free units at 3*…
Plus as Laggalot said, you have Kagero who helps a lot, just find other teammate to support her better, or unit who handle her counters
Uhp, he cheated, HE F***ING CHEATED! Using two Olivias on his team?! That’s cheating! I don’t believe you!
You’re definitely trolling haha.
I don’t know what you meant by cheating, just look at the video and redo the same strategy, it will work..
He just upgraded his two Olivia (the 1* and the 2*) to get two 3* Olivia.
Plus, if you’re considering using 2 dancer is “cheating”, he did it with another team, and this one does only use 1 Olivia.
The only troll I see is you, childish troll. Nothing you can do can convince me to suffer playing Lunatic Grand Hero Battles. You failed, childish troll, Lunatic Grand Hero Battles are hard AF, and you know it. Ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck losing in the Voting Gauntlet.
For the Whitewings!
…hahahahahahano – I’ll be fighting for Palla, but my hopes aren’t super high for her team. I mean, she has to beat Minerva? Really? And then she’ll have to do better than Beruka, Cherche, and CAMILLA?! Unfortunately, I don’t see how she’ll be able to do better than such fan-favs…but meh. I just binge-read Hasha no Tsurugi, so…can’t know unless we try!
Joined Minerva’s army probably do well until the final were she’ll probably lose to Camilla but Minerva is my favorite of the bunch so it is her banner I wave.
Updates like this are why I regret reading the datamined info 🙁
jk, it was totally worth it
I am loving the character designs! I wonder why they changed Clair’s hair color, though.
Probably because it makes her look more like Clive. After all, they are related.
That makes sense. But take a look at the Whitewing sisters. They’re related, so…
Totally possible for Clive and Clair’s parents to have either blond or red (or blue) hair, btw.
As far as genetics go in early Fire Emblem titles, there really wasn’t much of a reason to change her hair color.
They were always like that, so I don’t think comparing the white wings to Clair is a good idea
I will gladly take base conversations over face petting and marriage.
Hidari’s qt game is on point. Hope they stay as the artist for a couple more games.
I can’t help but appreciate the aesthetic of the character designs in this game, generally being more grounded and modest, especially after some of the designs the more recent games have been putting out. Granted, Fire Emblem has never been terribly much a stranger to characters in questionable attire here and there, but some of the outfits of characters in Awakening and Fates especially were just kind of ridiculous.
If the pattern is still up, she can very well do the character designs of the next remake of fire emblem! I hope they can remade shadow dragon/mystery of the emblem with a better story, focus on certain characters,etc!
I don’t think we need yet another FE1+3 any time soon. And the wish for better story might not be possible at the moment considering their horrible track record for the past two games. Hopefully Echoes’s story is done well enough.
Dang, Berkut’s got a cute fiance.
IKE’S GONNA COME!!!
Yes, he is finally coming 🙂
He better be good. I’m not gonna hold back on the orbs for him.
I believe he will be better … or equal to luciana (sword) and hector (ax). To be honest, at the beginning of the game I only tried to get a 5-star team, after I got it! I’m saving orbs for characters of path of radiance and radiant dawn. (150 orbs now)
Equal more likely. Given how he is in the games, he’ll be a hard hitter with slow movement. Meaning he’s likely to get doubled easily, but he can still tank some blows.
What games are you talking about? If anything, he’s more of a speed unit in Path of Radiance. You sure you’ve played any on Ike’s games? He’s not like he was in Smash and Fates.
Given that we have two different incarnations of Ike, one from PoR and one from RD, and that both will be in the game eventually, I do think PoR Ike will be represented with more balanced stats, with a slight bias towards speed. PoR Ike is actually an exceptionally well-rounded unit. HP and Magic aside for fairly obvious reasons, his stat growths come in at about 45% across the board, and never deviate more than 10% from it; Luck sitting at 35% growth, and Speed at 55%.
Radiant Dawn Ike, though, yeah, he’ll probably be the slow powerhouse type. He’s only got 35% speed growth in that game, though he maintains most of the rest of his growths. Also lower resistance. RD Ike’s Res growth (15%) is pretty poor, compared to PoR’s 40%.
Ah, haven’t done RD yet. Let down they’d change how Ike plays tho
Of course I haven’t. The games are expensive and hard to find. I watched the gameplays instead. I was thinking more on the latter games and Radiant Dawn since that was the last Ike I saw. Since its unlike we’ll get two versions of Ike, we might get the Path of Radiance Ike, since he was the most popular voted male character.
I’m thinking it’s going to depend greatly on the traits of Ike’s weapon. I mean, he’s almost definitely going to end with the Ragnell, which had two effects in PoR. +5 Defense, and the ability to fight at range. I highly doubt they’d make both inherent to the Ragnell at the same time, though if they give him one, I can see them also give him Distant Counter or Def+3 to reflect whatever trait they don’t give the Ragnell.
Best news of the month for me. At that moment I am 150 orb, now reserved for Ike
(Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance – My first and best game I played in the series fire emblem)
Agreed with all points usually bout once a year I still go an play PoR, such a good game. Just hoping Soren, Jill, and Nephenee are in the first wave of Tellius characters.
Cool!
strangely I started playing again (for 9 times) yesterday.
I also hope in the first wave Titania, Shinon, Soren, Nephenee
After Summer that sucks wish all 4 special costumes were sooner oh well at least those looking foward to Ike will like the news I want Micaiah waaaaay more before him!
Yes! About time! And with Ike coming, I think it’s safe to assume that he’ll bring some friends along (and maybe enemies?) as well. Some Greil mercenaries, perhaps? Not holding my breath for Laguz just yet, though I definitely would like to see some of those as well (and I’m very curious how they plan on implementing them whenever they are going to cross that bridge).
It’s odd. These comments are all on the character designs, while here I am wonder why the heck Celica is a ghost. I’ll admit I don’t know Gaiden’s story to the fullest, but what is going on there?
Oh, good. It looks like Ike will be released very soon. But, like all the rare heroes, Ike will be too difficult to summon, guaranteed.
looks like a voodoo doll
Ike needs Wings of Mercy…so he can fly to his friends…and fight for his friends . 3.
they need these on switch then i would get
Calling it now, Camilla will win the Voting Gauntlet, guaranteed.
Game is looking less crappy the more I see it. I’m not a fan of the game mechanics of Gaiden nor do I want them to keep going in that direction after this game, but in the context of just this game I think I can bear with it. I really hope we get a return to form in terms of Radiant Dawn gameplay some day. Or if they decide to remake 4 and 5, I would hope they retain as much of the gameplay there as possible, and not infect it with the new age FE carp.
Ike…
on a bike.
AAAAUGH I COMPLETELY FORGOT THE VOTING GAUNTLET NOOO PALLA WHY?!
Oh look, the Mistress of Fanservice won…was there any reason we even needed to HAVE more than one round? We should have just put “Camilla” and “Everyone Else” and watched what happened…except Camilla still would have won.
Omega here on Disqus thought Cordelia could feasbily win.
I tried to warn the fella.
I know they include over rated popular units so people will participate
But, kina ruins the entire idea of suspense in the voting gauntlet when someones dominating and everyone joins them to win feathers
Actually I do think that the most profitable choice is to choose the one that will go to final, but will lose.
You would get the 500 victory feathers for the first two rounds, and a better local ranking as you have less competition.
In my case, I chosed Minerva:
First round (100 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Second round (500 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Final round (all flags used: ranked top 5k): 3100 + 0
Overall ranking (top 50k): 1600
Which leads me to 8600 feathers
I have some friends that used the same amount of feather in last round in Camilla’s team, they ended up ranked top 30k, which gives you 2300 feathers + 500 for victory.
Of course, if you play very casually (not earning all flags each round, and not use them all), Camilla is easy 1500 feathers.
But if you try to maximize your profit, finding the 2nd place is the best I think, which is was not an obvious choice at all, as they put Cordelia in the same side as Camilla.
I chosed Ephraim last gauntlet and ended up with 7k feathers as well (but I didn’t played well because of the very tight match vs Chrom)
Or you can be a freak like me (Moosey) vote every half hour without sleep, miss only one or two because your sleep deprived brain forgets, and earn something like 10K feathers 1.5k for the first two rounds, and 7k for the final.
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I was the top for a little while,
But yeah… lack of sleep eventually made me miss a few too many.
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And if you’re wondering what I could possibly be saving all these orbs and feathers for? …. Tellius. OTL
Interesting, although not feasible for me haha.
So you basically tried to not sleep during the whole week or only for the third round? As you got also the 3k feather from being top 1k overall I guess you also did fully vote during round 1 and 2. :[
I wonder if you can score better with Minerva with the same insane strategy (I do think you can be ranked with no flags for round 1 if you don’t miss any single game..)
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Yeah, as you can see I ranked in the top 50 world wide for the entire competition. I have sort of a technique of sleeping for 2 hours when the gauntlet round ends, but it’s really not a healthy thing I’d advise for anybody. Plus if everybody did what I did, I wouldn’t make it into the top anymore 😛
I started in Camilla and got 9500 feathers for the whole event 😉
Round 1 3000
Round 2 1800
Round 3 2100
Total rank 2600
Yeah, I thought it might have been possible for Cordelia to win, but I guess the token fanservice lady does stand out on top. I only went for Camilla in the end because of a coin toss. I actually went through this tournament style, flipping a coin for each one. The final two were Camilla and Palla. Camilla got the lucky Tails.
I always hate tournaments like these because I can’t help but love the characters that won’t win – last time I went with Eirika so that obviously didn’t end so well, and this time was worse – I can’t help it, Palla’s Heroes design is adorable.
next gautlet will feature old men from the series.
Wrys vs Jagen vs Gunter vs Riev vs garon vs Athos vs Marcus
Best Gautlet
Proof? Oh, right, you have no proof, because you don’t work for Nintendo. Also, sick-o!
I knew what the result was going to be but I chose to go with my favorite of the group rather then the surefire win.
Not a freaking shock this round was so badly made it hurts expect the same results for every singular popular character inserted in these that’s why I don’t take these contests seriously…the first round is obviously the best one and the winner was justifiable and more logical why.
The 1st and 2nd round really determines in.
What even does this comment mean
I meant that its only the first two rounds where we usually find real competition and stakes are more interesting. First Gauntlet had the epic battle between Ephraim and Chrom in Round 2. This Gauntlet likely had some nice fights with other characters if they weren’t Camilla.
Of course Camilla won, as expected, and it so happens that I voted for her. Victory is ours, fellow Camilla fans! For the glory of her boo-I mean…for the glory of the Nohr Empire! Yeah, that’s better.
Oh man, nobody could’ve predicted this outcome!
Still, went with all the losing teams, because if you play it smart, that yields a lot more feathers.
Looks like the day of the aftermath of the voting gauntlet is going to be a dull one. But then, that update is going to be quite interesting.
Meh. Kinda obvious FE13/FE14 trash will continue to dominate these contests. Kinda surprised Minerva made it that far actually.
Or maybe not so considering who she was put up against.
I chose Camilla from the start. No surprise she won. Best thing about it was that the Wyvern Rider pull netted me a 5-star Minerva. Heck yes! Plus with more Great Badges, I’ll have what I need to make a 4-star into a 5-star… finally.
Tits vs Character
Tits won apparently :/
Oh look, boobs won…I’ll never understand why anyone LIKES big boobs…Really just sucks Hinoka (I love her so much) was paired with Camilla first round, really killed it for me >.>
UK gets a t-shirt : /
Of course boob chick won.
wow a lot of elitists here salty over a damn mobile game lol
Well, we can see this new focus will be Alm’s group focus, so I am waiting for Celica’s group Focus banner in the future. Maybe in May, near the US release date of the game.
I knew that Alm would show up here just for Nintendo to easily market Echoes….I should’ve known better!
Also its gonna be out in Japan in 8 days.
No Celica yet…..:( I’m gonna go for Alm but disappointing…
They are probably saving her for the banner immediately after. Don’t forget they need to accommodate Echoes releasing a month later in the West. Meanwhile in Japan, most people will have finished Echoes by then, but the game (and waifus) will be fresh in their minds.
No Celica yet…..:( I’m gonna go for Alm but disappointing not a fan of Faye at all Claire I’ll try if I don’t get Alm…
If you noticed, this focus banner have only Alm’s path units and the
Paralogue is called “World of Shadows”. Probably in a near future we
will see a Celica’s path units Focus Banner, with a “Return to World of
Shadows” Paralogue.
Of course there’s gonna be Celica one also you realize there’s “yet” in my sentence know that’ll come later.
Man, it’s a bummer Gaiden has no playable axe units, because if there’s anything I’m really in need of, it’s Green-type units. I don’t really have need of more swords (especially) and lances. Bows… maybe. I do want them, but I feel like I’d just be throwing my orbs away.
Aww, so is the Merging Allies also passing down any extra skills still not added in?
Well, now that I have Spring Camilla and Spring Xander, I guess it’s impossible for me to get the rest of the Spring characters. I might as well save those orbs for Alm and the rest of the characters from Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes, probably, maybe.
I noticed that the link with the text “fire emblem heroes” leads you to FE Echoes, may wish to fix that.
Thanks. Got too much Echoes on the brain right now, haha.
In Echoes, the Archer class is exclusive to male characters. So… Faye being a archer is strange… She can only be a Cavalier, a Mage, a Pegasus Knight or a Cleric.
Python looks a lot like Camus…
@Suicunesol:disqus Python is the archer, Zeke is the one who looks like Camus.
I’m more questioning why Zeke, aka Camus, has Gravidus on him. He lost that in Archanea after being defeated by Marth. So why would Zeke have the same weapon that’s legendary and only 1 exists? Don’t tell me some ancient person make a duplicate one as well. :/
I was asking myself the same question… I was pretty sure Hardin kept it? Maybe the artwork is not consistent with the game (but if Gradivus actually appears as an item, a new canon explanation may be needed).
You think they should make a remake of Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem? I do hope so. If possible, i would like it with characters designs done by Hidari, a similar gameplay and a better story for the sake of Archanea’s saga completion!
There already IS a remake of Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem. Its FE11 and 12. Are you saying we should have a Remake OF a Remake?
I know, I know, I’m just saying that these remakes deserve a little of love, after all, they didn’t do very well during their releases, even FE12 wasn’t localized! It’s just for a chance to make the entry that gave birth to Marth a better one!
That is true. Shadow Dragon had the weakest gameplay EVER. Like, seriously. Not only that, but there were no real base conversations or support until FE12, and that game was declining in sales that made Awakening be the final game until Awakening brought back the franchise.
That’s what I’m talking about, actually it can even be a remake of FE3 with book 1 and 2 on it with major focus on multiple characters, like abel, cain, even tiki and her status as a divine dragon! More importantly, we have to consider this: Intelligent System follows a certain pattern, since Hidari was selected for the design of Echoes it would be fitting to put it on FE3/FE11/FE12 since they’re all related!
Actually, rather than make a remake of a remake, why not make a remake of Genealogy, the sacred story of Fire Emblem history that fanboys have shrines built on. Or better yet, the Elibe series. Or even try to maybe continue a story with Magvel.
We all want it, as do I, I was giving an example like FE Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, they’re related, have a similar if not the same gameplay and the same character designer!
We have the 2018 game coming out as well, and for all we know, that could be a remake too, if not a new game altogether.
Possibly!
I agree with pretty much everything said above. The more remakes, the better, I guess! (As for the Gradivus thing, I didn’t even know it was in Gaiden, so I apologize for my ignorance.)
If the opportunity rises, I want them to complete the whole Archanea saga, after all, a remake of a remake is still possible since Pokemon does it everytime. You know: Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire and the enhanced remake Pokemon Emerald AND Pokemon ORAS!
Jugdral stuff after IS is done with Archanea properly.
Besides, they can use this opportunity to unravel some of Grima’s origins, just like the rumor of it appearing in echoes as well!
Its not a rumor, its for real. And possibly. The more the unravel stuff about Grima, the better it is for Awakening.
If IS wants money, yes. A proper remake and re-telling of Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem. It’s also the perfect excuse for them to make FE series amiibo of Marth, Caeda, Kris and Tiki. It could also try to tie in more stuff with Awakening.
Right? It would be very cool if they could do it but they need convincing, not just from their sales but from people’s opinion as well!
Gradivus (Gradius) appeared in the original Gaiden, as well, so…at least it’s a consistent inconsistency, I guess?
Maybe the explanation is that this Gradivus is a replica made because Zeke found the design familiar… That’s the way I would explain it.
….KAMUIS AMIIBOOOOOS -dies-
*Corrin
I’m sorry, but the way DLC has been handled over the past few games… I don’t like it. I really, really don’t like it. And this game is just doing the exact same thing. It’s so formulaic, it hurts.
Completely agree. Its so frustrating. At least this time there aren’t a bunch of the strongest classes locked behind expensive DLC. IMHO DLC should only have some maps for grinding and fan service. Specialty classes and challenging late-game maps should be in the main game.
A $15 eShop card says we’ll never get the Series 4 maps worldwide. I mean, I’m glad it looks like they’ll finally be recognizing Cipher, and I hope you can recruit Emma, Shade, Yuzu and/or Lando, but really, what are the chances they’ll give these four characters that, knowing Nintendo, will be treated as though the rest of the world doesn’t even know exists to all of us? We never got the Bond Festivals for Fates, and they’re already moving on to Echoes so I doubt we ever will get them. I’m desperately hoping I’m wrong and they’ll use Echoes to test the waters for the Ø Characters to see if the TCG will take off worldwide, but I doubt it.
I still want to get the Fire Emblem Cipher game translated. I know it probably won’t happen, but seriously. With the fact that we have Animal Crossing Amiibo Cards – I’d be satisfied if we simply got card versions that react with the N3DS Scanners of each character.
Yeah, I’ve been desperately hoping for it for at least a year now. Really, I’m luckier than most non-Japan-based players – I happen to live in the vicinity of a small group of FE diehard fans who are also into the card game, so we can get together and play every week. It’s fun, and I both feel really sad for the people who want to play it with people they know but can’t and really really REALLY wish for #WorldWideCipher.
They going to release a female Corrin amiibo, but not a female Robin… *sighs*
I can see them maybe going back to add the alternate models of characters like Robin and Wii Fit Trainer. I can also see it *not* happening, though…
I hope they do if that’s the case!
I eman, it would only earn them MORE money…
Probably because Female Robin is more of an afterthought character.
Male Robin got the large majority of advertising for both Fates and Smash, while both genders of Corrin were advertised pretty well, especially with the whole Male Corrin for Birthright and Female Corrin for Conquest thing.
In other words, I highly doubt Female Robin will get an amiibo.
I agree completely
Now I wonder IF they do summon characters like Fates (actual units) in the next game I wonder how each Corrin would be like if there’s any change in personality at all.
Fire Emblem amiibo summon phantoms that look like the characters you can use for a turn at the cost of HP. All other amiibos summon a generic monster.
I meant for the new Switch game
Oh. Not sure about that.
Yeah that’s why I hope they aren’t phantoms in it they miss out on a Hidari art treatment in Echoes which sucks…
That FemCorrin Amiibo looks pretty neat. Might actually try to get it.
Wow!
I really do hope this game has better characters and story than Fates, which was incredibly screwed from these points of view.
tbh, characters have been fucked following FE12. Maeda dun goofed since he took over as director.
Fates’ story was rock bottom so it wont be hard to accomplish that.
Its waaaay better!
inb4 “Is Xander Zeke?”
Can’t wait these 35 more days…
Well. Zeke and Xander are in the same archetype. And that’s the only thing I’m gonna tell people who give me that question.
Would the Easter banner still be available by the time the Echoes banner goes live?
The M Corrin Amiibo looks like he has too much hair. All the others look great though!
Hopefully the character balance is better than Fates. So many characters screwed by low bases + late joining.
Especially in Revelations where they just plop in randos just because they exist.
Chapter 9 Revelations was painful. They give you all these characters and almost all of them are worthless. That route desperately needed some stat changes.
I don’t think that goes for the entirety of Fates. Some exceptions aside, I think Birthright and Conquest are rather well-balanced for what they set out to accomplish. Revelation, though… Oh boy, now that’s a mess. There’s no defending that.
Birthright’s okay other than a few outliers like Ryoma being a god and Rinkah being bench juice. The biggest problem I remember in Conquest is how late Benny and Charlotte join, compared to their starting levels.
Thankfully, I’ve heard they are pretty good units to make up for it.
Charlotte’s pretty good at what she does but I think Benny really suffers for it.
REALLY hope the writing is better than Fates, good god.
It will easily trust me I read the translations also no botched localization!
The localization issues and so called “censorship” in Fates weren’t as bad as people make them out to be, although there were some REALLY stupid decisions made in the process.
Problem is it never made sense especially for a literal JRPG series.
Not surprising that the Fates-Hate is still going on around here…. (don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Fates, I just don’t bring it up at every available chance I get like some people).
Because face it people, ANYTHING is basically better than Fates writing. Like some of your concerns are so freaking obviously answered. Like still seeing people concerned that this is going to be separate games when it is obvious its all in one game. Seeing people just hoping that the characters and story aren’t as bad as fates, which is obvious anything will trump fates. Hell, a good way to know is that in Echoes the supports are mostly platonic and limited. While I did kind of hope that more people could talk to each other that aren’t directly related to one-another, it at least makes room for better written supports. Like how Valbar and his 2 crew can only support with each other.
In short, people are really beating the clearly dead horse with a stick still. Like at this point its past dead, the skull that is Fates is just being pulverized into mush instead of burying the damn thing.
Eh, I guess I could stop bitching about that game. I guess people find it hard to let go of considering it was easily the biggest disappointment the franchise had to offer, but a dead horse nonetheless.
We’ll probably all forget about it once Shadows of Valentia comes out.
The question is if can it at least get close to Fates’ sales.
“Like still seeing people concerned that this is going to be separate games when it is obvious its all in one game.”
Do people seriously think this? Bet they’re the ones who are unaware it’s a remake too. Like jfc I agree it was a bit of a cash grab, but they charged you 50% off the alternate route; which is a full game. They handled it pretty decently. They really shot themselves in the foot with the limited edition being a thing though. Which costs basically just as much as all the games combined (granted you have to buy them the intended way) anyway.
Not surprising you can see the faithfulness, new features and love put into this remake makes me even more excited for how good FE Switch could potentially be if they keep this momentum!
Like Shadow Dragon? The Lunatic mode locked in a DLC of sort will hurt this game even more when this come stateside.
No it won’t…..
Says your crystal balls?
No need to bring balls out…
I got the 2 Focus girls. I wanted Alm.
i also wanted alm got clair not complaining
Im hyped for this game. I really liked Awakening and Fates, so im looking foward for the remake of a cult game that never was available for us westerns
Eight 3* and two 4*, I guess I emptied my luck pulling four Palla’s in a row last banner.
The good news is I got Faye. The bad news is I didn’t get Alm. The other bad news is…Faye is weak! I mean, a bow where neither the player nor the enemy can counterattack?! They made her weak, dammit! Why?! Why did they made Faye weak?!
The weapon is really good! But… Faye is not… Sounds like great inheritance material to me. I’m sure some other Bow-unit could make that weapon effective somehow.
Alternatively, Bow Experience 3 is also nice. Lets you train Bow units much more quickly, so that’s a neat long-term investment right there.
Personally, I’d have rather had that than Clair, who I got…
Actually, with all the Skill inheritance things and the need of SP, I would rather train my unit as slowly as possible now..
In the training tower, you are guaranteed to earn 3SP whenever you kill an unit that is stronger than you, or at most 5 levels under you. Below this, it is not guaranteed and the odds are decreasing with levels (to 0% when 10 levels below).
As a consequence, it is easier to gather a lot of SP during your first levels (1-35),it’s better not to rush into higher level ennemies as they will give you a lot of xp (“waste” of potential SP/stamina).
Now, I only train in stratum that are weaker than my unit (by at most 5 levels): My Clair managed to get all her skills + Moonbow + GoadFliers when she just got to level 40.
This is especially crucial for your 5* units that are not that OP, as you will probably struggle in the Lunatic level, once they’re 40.
Plus, with the Hero Merits, you’re also earning feather more efficiently.
Of course, if you’re grinding from 4* or 3* this is not a problem.
Concerning Clair, I was kind of disappointed at first, but only 1 Palla 4* is needed to make her very useful: Moonbow + GoadFlier, as she already has Spur Speed lvl 3.
I was training her with Palla + Dancer, and she was nearly OHKO every units, plus with her unique B passive, you can reposition her directly next to Olivia for next turn, or escape from danger zone, which is really fun
Yeah, mine is +HP/-Res, which really only serve to limit my options (+HP puts her at 41 HP, so there goes Ardent Sacrifice + Vantage/Desperation combos. And -Res nerfs possible Iceberg/Glacies, which are otherwise not bad options for her). Your suggestion seems like a decent one, though I’m wondering if I can really justify using her over other Lance fliers, who I could build just the same way to potentially greater effect. That said, I have her as a 5*, might as well try to find a way to use her somehow.
If you put your unit in a decent team, I don’t find it difficult to grind a unit’s SP. I ran some Lunatic levels earlier to raise my (+Atk/-Def) Ninian’s SP and that went just fine. Ninian’s not the greatest combat unit to begin with, but I have her on a team full of units who can buff, as well as just hit hard, so she’s supported pretty well.
On another note, you gain more Hero Merit at higher levels, so I’m not sure slowing down on the level ups is really more efficient.
Every new news I hear about this game makes me really happy. From the forging system to the expanded provision items, I see IS REALLY putting effort into polishing this coal into a diamond. Can’t wait to see it for myself
Got Alm, Clair and Faye that’s all I wanted sorry Lukas….I’m waiting for Celica and whoever they’ll pick after!
Shit-tier luck on my summon. Didn’t get a single one.
I don’t really need any more sword users, but Alm’s skill looks so fucking broken that it ain’t even funny. If I understand it correctly, it basically translates into: attack basically anyone and be totally safe.
Got 2 Alm’s and a Lukas kinda wanted a Faye if only to give her bow to my main bow user. Considered giving Lukas’s ability to my tank but since its Hector I don’t want to lose Distant Counter. Am seriously considering sacrificing one of my Alms to give my Lucina Windsweep figure it would be a good combo with her natural Defiant Spd. Anyone care to give a second opinion? I would rather not waste an 5 star if there is a glaring problem with the idea.
Don’t forget that if you’re giving it to Lucina, it also means no follow-up attack for her. So it may be useful in some specific cases where the opponent can kill you during the counter (Nowi, blue tanky units), but you’re loosing a lot of OHKO situation I think.
And with Defiant Spd, Lucina reaches an average of 43 in Spd, which allows her to nearly double everyone.
I would rather give Desperation to Lucina, which is complementary with her Defiant Spd.
Windsweep is useful in cases where you’re only slightly faster than your opponent, as you only need +1 speed instead of +5, AND you’re not supposed to OHKO the opponent (which otherwise kills the purpose).
Basically, you’re giving Lucina a support function to damage a unit safely before killing it with another unit or from a dance.
While writing this, I really think IS released this skill as a check to Distant Counter Hector haha.
“Don’t forget that if you’re giving it to Lucina, it also means no follow-up attack for her”
See? GLARING problem. I misinterpreted the description so I missed the “no longer gets 2 attacks” thing. Just a prime example of why I sometimes need another set of eyes on this. Thank you for pointing this out before I merged them. And thanks for the advice for desperation I’ve seen it before but haven’t really looked at it since I don’t use any of the 3 people that have it, looks like it will be a good fit. And yeah Windsweep will definitely screw over a lot of Hectors. On a slightly separate note any recommendation on special moves for Nowi? Im between Dragon Fang or Glacies. Already gave her Swordbreaker doesn’t help against Julia but should keep all 4 Falchion users in check.
Nowi has better Defense than Resistance, so if you have the option available, Ignis is strictly superior to Glacies. Ignis and Glacies are similar, but Ignis runs off the unit’s Defense stat rather than their Resistance, so it’ll yield more of a damage bonus.
Thought FemRobin was the only one that had that but apparently so does Henry so I just sacrificed him to give her that. Thanks for taking a little time to give me advice. I’m usually pretty casual but getting harder to get a streak of 7 in the arena figure I try to min-max my arena team so I have a slightly better shot.
Eh…Famitsu reviews and score are never to be trusted…
You know you’re too into Japanese stuff when you look at the Discord Logo and it looks like a little chibi Hatsune Miku.
Not alone XD
I purchased 300 orbs and I got all four of them.
Pretty boring stuff, quests can be done in a day, but I suppose this is incentive again to train Flying units, and hey, I can’t complain about essentially free orbs. They ask full-flier teams on occasion, so might as well have some trained units available. Already had Michalis and Palla to 4* level 40 prior, and a decently trained Subaki and Cordelia too, so that makes things pretty easy for me.
Seeing this, I think it’s safe to assume a set of Cavalry Mastery quests and Armour Mastery quests are coming in the near future as well. Once I’m fully done with the fliers, I suppose I should get on those.
Didn’t we just have those two in addition to infantry though? It’d make more sense to have mage or archery mastery instead.
Anyway, as I have Michalis, Thany, Palla, and Clair at 5* 40 as my go to arena team for this season, these quests ended up being simple indeed.
I would like to see a quest which will require a team of four clerics.
I would be ready for that lol I got 6 lv40 clerics
what are you doing with your life
There’s some nut on youtube who did a full arena run with four clerics.
With seven victories in a row without deaths on Adcanced and with one cleric being a featured character? I could imagine that.
Not one healer. Three healers and Ninian as pure dancer support (weapon removed).
We did? Uhh, whoops? Sorry, I apparently don’t keep very good track of what sort of quests we have and haven’t gotten.
Okay, anyone figure out why one of the tasks that says beat 5-2 with Red Tome user doesn’t work? I’ve done it twice now and it doesn’t give me my reward.
There is a mistake in quest description. Green Tome is correct.
ARGH! Screw over by yet ANOTHER typo.
They made another small mistake on the message board. Dueling Crests are not requiired in any of these quests, only Stamina.
I believe that’s just a universal message that’s included with all quest notifications, hence the generic phrasing using “may” and “or”.
Easy as they are, it at least let me have a reason to level Clair a ton.
Waiting for Grand Hero Battle: Zephiel – The Liberator…
Does anyone know what the Battling Zephiel banner will have yet? Just curious, haha.
Zephiel is a Armored-Sword user. Probably we will see a Blue Tome user and/or a Armorslayer user in his Banner. Zephiel have very low speed and a low Res (In 9-2 Lunatic mission, He have: HP 57, ATK 52, DEF 39, SPD 17, RES 25).
Ah, true! What I’m really hoping for is that they feature a character as his “antagonist”, hopefully being Lilina. She’s my favorite FE mage and I sadly haven’t pulled her yet. Characters like Linde would be incredible too, though.
There are 3 type of weapons good against armored units: Armorslayer (Ceada, Hana, Selena), Heavy Spear (Est, Florina, Oboro) and Hammer (Bartre, Cherche, Frederick).
One thing I noticed is that they always (since Ursula, anyway) include a unit who’s closely tied to the GHB character in some way. With Ursula, there was Nino. With Michalis, there was Minerva. And with Navarre, there was Caeda. I haven’t played Binding Blade, I don’t know the details of what goes on in that game, though from bits I’ve seen I want to say that Cecilia might be a candidate.
They also seem to like to throw in a statistical hard-counter and/or a unit that deals effective damage to the GHB character in question. Who knows what that’ll entail, though.
And for Female Robin was Adult Tiki?
Exactly. Which means prime candidates for that role this time are Roy, Lilina, Cecilia, or quite possibly Hector. Most likely the former two over the latter two, since we just got a free Cecilia and Hector is well…Hector.
I am hoping for Lilina, because both Roy and Hector do not have any chance against Zaphiel. Cecilia … hm, maybe … And about Cecilia being a free character … Felicia is one of the daily heroes battles, but she already appears in a focus banner. Oh, and we can see repeated heroes, because Effie already appeared to Focus Banner twice.
If you’re wondering why it hasn’t been leaked yet, changes have been made to the game’s data structure and that’s making datamining more difficult. Eventually it will be cracked, but in the meantime, this might be the first focus banner in a while to actually be a surprise. 🙂
That is exactly what I was wondering haha, hopefully we get more orb quests like those Lunatic challenges soon. Because my pool is quite dry after going for Alm. :/
PLEASE JUST GIVE ME SOME GODDAMN BADGE MISSIONS ALREADY
Nice, didn’t have Catria yet, and she seems rather decent (and if not, Luna is good for inheritance). I also don’t mind having another Moonbow from Palla to distribute. Est sadly doesn’t seem to come with much of anything particularly exciting…
Zephiel. That’s… a lot of HP. 78? Sheesh. And with Wary Fighter… sounds like a pain. Having said that, the map itself doesn’t look too complicated. Bait out the mages first with high Res units (with the proper positioning, I think you can do so while still staying out of reach of the armours) and kill them ASAP, then pelt the knights with strong mages. But it’s gonna depend a lot on the details.
I got a +Attack Est a while ago and gave her a Sapphire Lance and Swordbreaker. She now absolutely decimates any swordusers (and most reds in general) and is a decent Res tank to boot.
But… any unit with Sapphire Lance + Sword Breaker or a similar combo accomplishes that. I feel like other units could likely do that better.
Oh, I’m not saying that she does that any better than other lancers- just that with the proper set-up, she’s surprisingly viable. At 4 stars and +Attack, she sports 36 base attack. At 5 star, she’s on par with Ephraim. Her speed is decent, she has good res, and she has flier mobility.
Basically, I’ve been filling the time just trying out bottom-tier characters to see how good I can make them. Did a few deathless runs in Arena with this Est. Currently working on a Hinata and Beruka.
Honestly… the map looks easy? A mage killer, a powerfull mage, a hero with a weapon strong against armored units and a dancer. This will be my team. Maybe two mages…
In the screenshot, we can see he is a 5-Stars Lv 40 Armored unit, with HP 78, ATK 57, SPD 21, DEF 34 and RES 20.
And Zephiel himself comes equipped with:
Eckesachs (Mt 16, Rg 1): Inflicts Def-4 on foes within 2 spaces through their next actions at the start of each turn.
Reprisal: Grants bonus to damage dealt equal to 30% of damage suffered.
Life and Death 3: Grants Atk/Spd+5. Inflicts Def/Res-5.
Wary Fighter 3: Prevents follow-up attacks in combat from unit and foes if unit’s HP ≥ 50%.
Honestly, he looks to be a good unit.I do not have many armored units, so he is welcome in my team.
Zephiel will have 78 HP?! OH, HELL NO! This is just another Lunatic Grand Hero Battle that I can never beat! I could beat him on Hard mode, but there’s no way in hell I would even try to beat Lunatic mode, absolutely not!
Well… as a enemy in 9-2 Lunatic, Zephiel have 57 HP.
Pfft, that’s nothing. This Zephiel on Grand Hero Battle has got to be the hardest one to beat, and with only 78 HP and the most powerful skills in the entire game, now that’s tough, even tougher than that Masked Man, Xander, and Veronica.
I don’t know what you have trained up, but from what I’ve seen, dancers and skills like draw back and drag back are exceptionally abusable here, in combination with a decent magic user or two. Remember, Armour Knights only have a movement range of 1, and combined with a lack of a ranged (counter)attack, that’s a fairly exploitable weakness. If you need any inspiration, I’ve already found a couple of videos on youtube, tackling the GHB with a team of F2P 3* units. If you’ve trained any decent magic units at all, you’ve probably got a decent shot at this one.
Ah hell. I can handle the Hard one just fine but Lunatic’s a dang nightmare. I’ll past. As for the Pegasus sisters, I can grind and train them so they can handle it all while making them four stars… unless I have four stars already.
Maybe we could kill the blue mage with F Robin, then push back with someone, and then bait the other mage to finish him off. Probably going to need two tanks, They only have one green unit, so a blue tank is recomended… They also dont have an archer, Fliers can come here with no fear. We should be aware the Armors use brave weapons.
I am thinking to use 2 mages (Ursula and Camilla, or Lucina and Camilla), a dancer and a healer. I will use Camilla to defeat the blue mage, and use my dancer to move Camilla to not get attacked by Zephiel. Then, I will end my turn and wait the enemies move to see what I will do next.
such a focus on fliers as of late is getting to the point I have almost all flyers to the mid 30s. On a similar note who do you think would be the first staff flyer if they ever make one? My money is on Elincia but I guess Sumia could be it too.
I feel like our first staff flier will come from a variation on an (at that point) existing unit, just as they did with the Easter units. At that point, units like Elincia and Sumia do indeed seem the most obvious choices, but I think we won’t get staff-wielding versions of them before we get their (more standard) weapon-wielding versions. After all, Sumia starts as a plain old Pegasus Knight, only with access to lances, and Elincia even has a signature weapon in the Amiti.
was debating that especially since of Amiti, but Palla and Caeda both start with swords to diversify them from all the lance pegasus knights and while alternate costumes is a obvious choice to give us a flying healer, I was thinking as a primary. Honestly I’m not sure how many people will get them and what changes the character will have, I definitely didn’t see a blue tome Lucina coming. Here’s hoping to a Urvan wielding Ike tho.
They almost have to give us an Urvan-wielding Ike. For one, we’re gonna get an alternate costume Ike. For two, we have both PoR Ike, AND RD Ike, and they’ve gotta diversify them somehow. Might as well stick the Urvan on RD Ike.
>Lukas. Literally the only one I don’t want.
>Got him twice.
I swear this game is doing this on purpose.
To think that I’m on 3 months older than one of my fav seriesXD
Overclass? Sounds interesting.
I’m thinking either it’s 4th Tier classes, as in reach a certain level with Gold Knight and access Lance Knight – though I doubt it’s actually named that. Noble Queen and Grand Conqueror are definitely DLC 3rd Tiers for Celica and Alm. No doubt.
Overclass seems awesome I’m scared there’ll be another US/EU fates scenario not getting anything Cipher related….
Well, if we don’t get the Series 4 maps like I’m betting we won’t(but desperately hoping we will), let’s at least hope they have good VAs so they at least sound cool.
Playing it loving it at postgame in my top 5 of favorite FE games!!!
I look forward to seeing the reviews and impressions of every players 🙂
I really hope it sells really well!
wouldn’t it be funny if the other two armored units had distant counter? *face slap* No, thanks
Omg easiest ghb yet got 4* in 1 try https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd59173aa6893a9e328de5cedbbeb53422cb55cd5d41f484be23114de96dc603.png
A well equipped Buff + Dancer supported Nino can literally just steamroll this fight. I did it just like that.
EASY! Just used 4* Nino and 5* Tharja, and a bit of Ryoma, and then the dancer Olivia was the key. So easy.
Quite an easy GHB if you have the right kinds of units. I’m surprised on the banner, though. Not a single Binding Blade unit on there. That surprises me. They could’ve even put in a Blazing Blade character, but they didn’t do that, either. Usually they include someone closely related to the GHB unit, but not this time.
On another note, I got Nowi on the first summon, and I’m quite happy with that. Neutral nature, too, can’t go wrong with that.
Oh look, DLC for grinding, DLC for new exclusive content like unit classes, and I presume it’s all ‘sharply’ priced, of course. Probably also some story elements or character background locked behind a few… The game only just released in Japan, and they’ve already got this much extra paid content planned for release. It’s so formulaic, so predictable.
I’m gonna keep saying it, I don’t care for this business model at all. I think it’s awful, and most of this honestly sounds like it should just be post-game content, already in the game, instead of being locked behind a paywall. In contrast to my usual outlook on these things, and my desire to believe in the goodwill of the developers and the company behind it, after Fates especially, I don’t trust Intelligent Systems on their execution of DLC at all. DLC has become a goal in itself as a means of making more money, more so than actually expanding the game experience, and it bothers me greatly.
In the case of Story elements I completely agree with you, I can deal without extra classes and maps but the full story should be there and not locked behind a paywall.
Hell yeah ^^ give us more class related stuff and im game !
It was a easy Grand Hero Battle, but still harder than Navarre’s GHB. The difficult part of this battle are the mages. If you allow the mages to use the special attack, you can have some problems… And Zephiel is a good unit.
Now, for the focus banner… I got surprised…
I used Spring Camilla, Ursula, Olivia and Priscilla in this GHB.
My Zephiel’s 3* and 4* stats:
Stats | 3* | 4*
HP | 24 | 24
ATK | 14 | 15
SPD | 2 | 2
DEF | 11 | 12
RES | 4 | 4
(Stats with Iron Sword equipped)
Hm… It is a little strange… hahaha. I am thinking to use my 3* Zephiel. Maybe if I promote him to 4* he will better stats (and more SP, of course).
They’ll turn out exactly the same. This game has stat differentiation similar to ‘natures’ in Pokémon, if you’re familiar with that, but that’s the only inherent stat differentiation you’ll find in this game between multiples of the same unit. And units obtained through means other than summoning ALWAYS have neutral stat distributions.
In short, it doesn’t matter if a unit is a certain rank naturally or through promotion, said unit will turn out just the same. You may as well train the 4* Zephiel and save yourself the trouble (and feathers!).
Thanks for the advice, but yes… I checked his stats before decide what Zephiel to train. 3* and 4* have similar stats, but I trained my 3* to get more SP, because I gave him some new skills. Wings of Mercy is one of the skill.
I’m not gonna tell you what to do… but replacing Wary Fighter on an Armour unit that is so slow, yet so tanky just seems outrageous to me. It’s a big part of what I think makes Zephiel such a great unit.
There’s no reason to do that.
I struggled with the 3* Navarre GHB (I didn’t have a big selection of appropriately leveled units), but managed to beat it right before the deadline. Looking forward to trying this one when I have some free time.
I was rather disappointed that Beneath a New Light didn’t play here. Oh well, Zephiel looks great!
I was rather surprised that it wasn’t as difficult as the previous Grand Battles. I haven’t won any of the previous ones, but did end up winning this one.
took me a few tries tbh it came down to one my 4th attempt he did something else different from the previous 3 and it made it a cakewalk Swordbreaker Nowi destroyed Zephiel once she could actually get to him.
I did that with Ryoma, Julia, Ephraim and Elise. Unlike previous Grand Hero Battles, this time I got them both. 🙂
At long last, after all these weeks, I have finally beaten the Lunatic Grand Hero Battle, 4-Star Zephiel is MINE! You all thought I couldn’t do it, but for the first time in my life, I’ve beaten Zephiel (who had 78 HP) on Lunatic mode with 4 of my 5-Star characters: Lucina, Reinhardt, Ninian, and Spring Camilla! I have finally conquered it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Love the Berkut and Rinea one such a dynamic couple can’t wait for an Alm and Celica one and some others couple cards!
Loving the voice work so far, I kinda wish we got to see Fernand say stuff too but I guess that’ll have to wait until the game actually comes out. Can’t wait.
I wonder how new fans will react to how different this game is, hopefully for the better.
We wouldn’t want IntSys getting turned off of remakes, or we might never get that much needed Genealogy Remake.
I can’t wait either, I even preordered the Limited Edition in hype alone haha.
While I don’t care much for reviews, Famitsu giving this game a really high score will probably help for its Japanese sales in general.
Echoes: SOV is also the newest highest scoring FE game in Famitsu history. It literally went from worst to first. The original Gaiden only got 28/40. Now it got 37/40. It’s a new threshold that wasn’t previously achieved.
As someone who got into FE when Awakening came out, Echoes’ mechanics scare me but they also seem much more fun than what Fates/Awakening had in store. I hope my fellow FE13/FE14 starters enjoy it just as much as we enjoyed 13/14. Seeing more remakes in the future would really pique my interest though and I hope IS keeps up this trend.
Glad to see you’re willing to make the leap! I think the entire franchise is good for all of us, we just have some oddballs who think otherwise. 😛 and of course preference is a thing too.
This is a great attitude you’re taking! I understand how the drastically differing gameplay from Awakening and Fates can feel a tad bit uncomfortable for you. But make no mistake, Echoes or SOV is going to be a fantastic addition to the series.
This game is regarded as the black sheep of the franchise, the original, I mean. However, it introduced mechanics that would later be integrated in later FE games such as Sacred Stones with the undead, 3rd tier classes in Radiant Dawn, and limitless weapons in Fates.
I’m playing the original Gaiden right now and I like this game for what it was supposed to be in 1992. And I love seeing the stuff that was referenced in the later games and then imagine how much better it will be in the remake.
With its colorful mechanics and things it tries to do, Echoes is looking to be a colorful gameplay experience that will keep you on your toes and think about how you want to use your units. It’s not about mix and matching like how it mostly was in Awakening in Fates. Rather, it’s more about how you can use a unit’s individual strength to your advantage, which I personally prefer.
I sincerely hope that many people pick up this game. I haven’t been this excited for an FE game since Radiant Dawn in 2007.
I’m curious about these altars for the Overclasses. Are these full dungeons or are they just one map or nothing of the sort?
Either or I’m expecting it to obviously be difficult to earn the overclasses
As a FE fan since Path Of Radiance, I’m getting some really good vibes here.
Unlike Fates who seemed like Awakening, but only focusing on the characters in a “sim-date way”, I really hope the characters here are a part of a story and not here only for the “Let make kids” thing.
My favorite support conversation still is Jill/Lethe in PoR because of that: the supports are here to help the player to CARE about the characters and not to waifu/husbando them.
Really hope IntSys focus on that!
I’m loving the fact that the game is fully voice acted. It’ll make it harder to simply press the Start Button in cutscenes on repeat playthrough. I love the fact of Gray and Tobin’s friendship brings some background comedy. Certainly better than Blandy McKill-NoOne. And yes – I am calling Corrin that.
Rinean is more than that???? Linda do you have eyes
Rinean and Berkut are foils to Celica and Alm, showing what could’ve/should’ve been different in that juxtaposition with morals/upbringing/circumstance etc. She’s not Berkut’s armcandy AT ALL, she’s just an adult who has anxiety who’s really modest. “Being nice” isn’t even the salient characteristic of Rinean. With the same wording you used, you could make Berkut’s entire character sound like it revolves around Rinean. I absolutely think more could’ve been done w/her character, but calling her “eye candy” is pretty excessive. At the end of the day, they’re critical to each other’s narratives.
I apologise if it came off as excessive. I have no issues with her character and I definitely don’t think it’s a flaw to be nice or modest, but I feel like her character was really undeveloped. I think she should have just a *little* bit more screen time, but it’s tough considering she’s an addition to an established world. That’s just my opinion anyway.
I was insulted when I heard that like seriously?! She is the only remedy to his insanity they are a dynamic pair such a dumb remark from that reviewer…..
How is it dumb? That is their opinion. Apparently, no one can have one these days…
While I understand why the reviewer would get that impression, Berkut and Rinean have a deeper symbolic meaning which does take a bit more analyzation + reading between the lines. The amount of parallels b/w Alm and Celica aren’t SUPER evident with them unless you do some thinking. So no, it’s not that they had a bad opinion, and like I said I do believe Rinean could’ve been handled a little bit better, but it’s just the fact that it takes more analysis, then the reviewer really isn’t at fault here.
Exactly that’s why I really don’t trust reviewers with their interpretation on a bunch of things especially when it comes to story or characters…
I read your post before and this one, and found it very interesting. These analysis’ are good to keep in mind when playing the game in the future (because I haven’t yet).
It is a dumb one have you even read my post apparently not….
I did read your comments and I still don’t understand how what the reviewer said is dumb. If the reviewer chose to view Rinean critically, then that is what they chose to do. Obviously, there were issues with her character, regardless of the pair’s intent to create a “deeper symbolic meaning.”
I am not arguing with you on the couple’s meaning specifically, rather, we should take all opinions into account when analyzing characters. This reviewer choose to critically analyze Rinean and there is NOTHING wrong with that. What works for you, might not work for another person. But calling a remark “dumb” is idiotic in itself. Likewise, even if the reviewer learned the information about the couple, they could still hold those same impressions. This doesn’t mean they have a wrong opinion, just an unpopular one.
..why do I get the feeling this review is aimed towards new fans, lol.
anyway, is there any way to turn off voice acting? I refuse to listen to horrendous english dubbing any more than necessary once it’s released.
Probably a voice volume slider right beside a SFX and music slider, I’d imagine,
It’s aimed at all fans. There is some mention of older games in the series like Thracia 776. Just trying to be as broad as possible.
There is a voice volume slider, yeah. There are actually four sliders: BGM, SFX, system SFX and voices.
That’s true. I’m not holding it against you. I simply found it a bit entertaining that you mentioned FE13/14 around 6/7 times, and the context in which you mentioned pair up in the closing remarks made it sound as if it was an undeniably good addition to the series. Other than that I found the review to be pretty good though.
phew, that’s a relief at least. sucks that about lunatic, guess they found it redundant during development.
It shouldn’t matter how many times the reviewer mentions older FE games. Reviews are subjective, so if you don’t like it, that’s your opinion.
Exactly. That’s why I got the impression it was aimed towards newer fans.
The english voice acting is not terrible, it sounds a lot better than the Japanese version.
Opinions, man.
What kind of opinion is that? That makes no sense.
Eh? I find it bad, that’s all there is to it.
Sorry, but that’s sounds totally too much like bad judgement and corrupted. Which that doesn’t really explain why it’s bad?
man what. are you upset I dislike certain voices, and prefer other voices, in a video game? I don’t have to explain myself to you.
Umm… no?
Your saying its ur Opinion yet u have not heard or played the game, you need to see or hear something before saying its ur Opinion. Your just been one of those anime trolls crying about sub vs dubbed shit again.
Even if that’s the case, there are a myriad of reasons why I’d prefer the Japanese version over the English dub. The English I heard so far didn’t sound as genuine to me, that’s why I dislike it.
I totally respect your opinion, but perhaps you should at least play the game with the voices on for the first few hours or so (assuming you can even turn them off in the first place). If you like them, congrats. If you don’t, then you can turn them off. Unfortunately, we’ve only gotten clips of spoken scenes aside from Mycen and I don’t think that’s enough to criticize the voice acting as a whole. Who knows, you may end up liking it.
Well, you got a point. However, I grew up with FE games not having any voice acting at all and thus have a preference for the characters being silent, allowing me to make my own headcanons for how I interpret the character’s voices being like. I didn’t like the VA in Fates nor Awakening, and the same goes for Heroes. RD is quite forgiveable in that regard. At least FE13 allowed you to choose what audio you wanted, even though I didn’t enjoy the game as a whole.
Since I also watch anime subbed and play a lot of JRPG’s I know about quite a few seiyuu, so I was looking forward to hearing them in Valentia. For example, Alm’s is also 9S from Automata and Clair’s is Pia from RF3. I won’t bore you with further specifications but the majority of them are quite known, to me at least, so it’s a disappointment that I can’t hear them in game. And since I’m not familiar at all with the English actors it won’t leave as much of an impact on me, which is why I’d rather have voices off. On the plus side, that will let me experience Gaiden as it always has been, and with the voices I felt fit the characters back when I first played through it.
That’s definitely fair
Well I’m playing it right now and I can say easily ur just blowing things out to be something there not. All over reddit and youtube people are saying how much they love the english voice acting.
You just remind me of the anime small groups that cry english sucks because it makes you sound cool.
Read my previous response to Chris. The VA is not too bad now that I’m playing it myself, but there is a thing called preference, and I seriously just can’t stand dubs in general, which is why I turned the voices off.
Ya cross ur fingers that u can swap audio to Japanese like I. Awakening
This game is in my top 5 of Fire Emblem games I played faithful with new add ons it definitely shows the love and commitment put into this one it fits in the likes of my favorites being in no order:
1.Genealogy of the Holy War
2.Blazing Sword
3.New Mystery of the Emblem(remake)
4. Radiant Dawn
Honestly, all the so-called “bad” things I’m hearing about Gaiden have only peaked my interest more and more.
The guy on GameXplain actually had an interesting viewpoint regarding the absense of the Weapon Triangle, and I’ve come to agree with it. Now there are more things to consider when going to battle. Just throwing a Mercenary against a group of Brigands ain’t going to save you. You’ll have to pay attention to the terrain, how you use your skills, etc.
All in all, it’s just served to make me more excited for a kind of Fire Emblem that I’ve never experienced before.
Anyone have any idea when they’ll finally get around to releasing Wave 4? I’d love to see a special article for those maps when they come out, considering how low our chances at getting them worldwide are.
Nothing at all yet or if wave 4 will even be mention outside jp mags
Afraid not. It also isn’t planned for release before 30th June like the first three waves.
That’s an interesting idea; I’ll see what I can do in the future : )
Great review! I’m super excited for this myself, this just made me more hyped. Standouts look to be the voice acting and the dungeon crawling, personally.
I did looked at this page, the Mila Statues were actually called “Mila Idols” when I saw in GameXplain’s videos that showed the English version and Rinean is actually localized as Rinean (I did asked the question and NintenDann that did went to the Dutch Comic Con convention said it was officially spelled as “Rinean”).
Took me a few tries to get my positioning right, but finally got him.
Nino, Eirika, Cherche, and Shanna.
So glad I preordered this. I hope this game’s received well by the newer half of the fanbase (that I’m technically a part of).
The last thing we need is IntSys getting the wrong idea about what FE fans want.
So many inconsistencies… I’m laughing my axe off.
Alm’s army is so good it fights itself.
Silque looks naked without her habit. I’m dying, scoob.
I want a FE11 and FE12 remake with those mechanics and artwork!
Oh they’re going to piss a lot of fans if they go with Gaiden like mechanics for those games.
Well, they can change the mechanics as long as they’re fun but I’d really want those games remade again with this artwork!
I think it’s unlikely since those 2 games are very recent. I see either FE4/FE6/FE7 as more likely.
The thing with those games is that they are already remakes of FE 1 and 3. I would much rather see remakes of the GBA titles or other earlier titles before those got remade a third time.
Alright, neat. I failed to beat the harder difficulty of the Robin-F GHB when that happened. I was not ready to tackle it, and its setup where every space in enemy attack range meant getting attacked by at least 3 enemy units (unless you could KO the right ones), each of different colour. Not fun. I lost someone on the second or third turn every time. Got much better units now, though, so I should be able to do this. I also missed Ursula entirely, so I hope that GHB will get a re-run in the near future as well. And indeed very curious what the rest means as well.
Both Defend Maps and Reinforcement Battles were scheduled to be part of the April updates and push back to later in the month. Although the Tweet doesn’t specifically reference this, the “timed special missions” may actually refer to that. Hopefully we’ll find out soon!
So I think it’s about time the rest of the character profiles were added
Strange that there are like 5 pages about “story” and “characters” before anything actually important in this review, haha.
But I must say, I haven’t been this excited for a FE game in many years.
I hope this game will bring the series back on track again, that would be great.
This is pretty something. This may give me a chance to get a 3-star robin this time. Though with Navarre, I’m happy. I only hope we get another shot at getting Michalis.
A new chance to defeat Lunatic Female Robin. I will see some images of the map to make a strategy. Ignis is a great special, and if I have another F Robin, I can give Ignis to another unit.
I tried to play Gaiden last year, and while I really enjoyed the different style, I rage quit about a third of the way through, it was just too aggravating. (The NES couldn’t actually do RNG, so FE1 was interesting, but Gaiden felt worse) So I’ll be happy to play a more modern version that still is much the same. ^^ (I also hope that they consider this a good step and stop with the main character avatars….)
I agree with you about the “main character avatars”, I like the robins, but I didn’t like the corrins, I prefer not being “avatars” either, because it suffers by not having much personality and having history of their own being very vague.
Corrin was nice attempt but ended being over the top…
Yeah, I really enjoyed Robin. It was a lot of fun to play as a ‘me’, and while I did have a part in the story, I wasn’t… Everything. Corrin was shoved into every situation, and unlike Robin, who I felt I could connect to, Corrin never felt like a me. Corrin was someone else. Which would’ve been perfectly fine, except they still kept treating them like an avatar, making for vague MC that really hurt the whole character-driven thing.
I also enjoyed the tactician role in Blazing Sword, and wouldn’t mind seeing that in the future. Just a little tiny part, and yet the characters still talk to you.
…. Also, while the amnesia thing worked very well character and story-wise for Robin, it felt forced and rather unnecessary for Corrin…
okay in how many hours the fight happen? different time zone that america.
From what I can interpret this as, we will be receiving temporary quests that give us grand heroes as rewards, in addition to the reappearing maps.
Don’t know Ice Dragon very well, but I’ve seen a lot Kirie’s work. Congrats to you both!
Also, where can I get the full image of that Lissa pic 😛
Thank you! ^^ The Lissa picture is from her S8 Cipher card; you can see the full art here: http://i.imgur.com/jypTSzr.jpg
Looks great! Still do not have a 3ds as fates and Awakening did not seem as enticing as the rest of the series, but I may finally break down and buy one if this game is as great as it looks!
Oh great, Female Robin and Navarre are returning, and I still can’t beat them, especially Female Robin on Hard mode! Why are my team so weak as hell?! WHY?!
Okay, anyone know how to beat Robin’s quest in its hard version? Cause regardless of position, I’m gonna be assaulted by a weapon disadvantage.
Have a Dancer like Olivia (free unit) and a ranged unit with Draw Back like Nino. You should be good.
Holy shit that was easy! I used Ryoma, Nino, and Olivia really and Ephraim was just there. XD
I just beat it using a 5 star julia while olivia danced once… killed the axe guy first.
then again my julia has vantage 2 so…
I used Marth, Navarre (for the quest), Ursula with Rally Res, and Ephraim. You need a good unit to survive the Lance Knight, the Red Mage and Robin attacks. Ephraim with Rally Res bonus survive all the attack and defeated the Lance Knight. I used Marth to defeat the Blue Mage and the Axe Knight. I almost lost the battle, when Robin attacked Ephraim and he survived with 1HP.
You were more lucky if anything.
Hahaha, A little bit. But the idea is having a unit with good Def and Res, which can resist the attacks from the mages and knights, and a good support unit with Rally Res. Cecilia have Rally Res and she was a quest unit some days ago. A Dancer can be very useful, and a Healer is also a good unit to have. But be careful with yours Cavalry units, because Robin have Gronwolf.
I’m okay. Ryoma took care of all of them starting with the blue made. Olivia and Nino helped a bunch. The tricky thing will be to beat F!Robin with F!Robin.
Just have someone who can tank it and stick them in one of the corners.
Easier said than done.
Camilla can tank two hits from the red mage if she’s not -HP or -Res. As long as you have someone to kill the red mage, she can then kill/tank the rest for other units to move in.
Camilla, Peri, and Lyn were who I used to beat it the first time, with Sakura healing from distance. (Lyn kills Robin so Peri can run around and slaughter the red mage).
Since Inheritance, Camilla and Eirika are able to handle most of the map, which mean that for the requirements (bring Navarre, have Robin kill herself, etc) that leaves you with a free slot to bring whatever support/dancer/etc. you need. Felicia’s pretty good for that; mage-killer, debuffer, and spot healing.
I absolutely forgot how i beat Robin in my first run…
Oh you have GOT to be kidding me.
Its one thing to make me do this battle again, but now there’s specific requirements like making Navarre or Robin specifically defeat their other self? UGH!
Daaang, Kirie, that’s a buttload of Orbs you’ve got sitting around. Waiting for Ike?
SON OF A B****!! It’s bad enough that I can fight Female Robin and Navarre on Hard and Lunatic modes respectively, but clearing these quests using both Female Robin AND Navarre as requirements in order to get Orbs?! Not only “NO”, but “HELL NO”! So, F*** IT, I’m not gonna bother clearing these asinine quests!
Hmm, completed all of the quests. Julia soloing Robin’s map pretty much. Had to grind 3* Robin to 40 though in order to even deal some damage once defiant res kicked it, she’s gotten too much of my attention already and there is no way am I spending any feathers on that shitty character; in the inheritance bin she goes.
To deal with the Hard mode Robin challenges, I used a Rally Speed user (stars and Lv doesn’t matter), Kagero (mine was 4* Lv40) and Dancer to help out either a Robin/Navare (mine were 4* close to Lv40). A Rally Speed Kagero would eliminate the Axe user and was left with 1 HP after dealing with the Red and Blue Mages (despite being -Spd). The Lance guy and Robin will charge towards you, you can then Rally speed Robin and have her take out both with a dance. With Navare you’ll need Kagero to help with the Lance guy, but the strategy is basically the same.
It took a lot of trial and error and AI manipulation to beat the Navare defeating Navare on Lunatic challenge. I used Olivia (needs a lower Res that Navare, but bulky enough to survive being attacked by the healer), Sheena (5* Lv40), and Kegaro (4* Lv40 +Def/-Res, HP+3 sacred seal equipped), and my Navare was (Atk+1 sacred seal equipped he also needs a 36 Atk, and a 34 Spd minimum; mine was a Lv38 4*). The only character here that someone might not have is the Kagero at that specific build as my Kegaro was left at 3Hp at the end of all of this.
It involved taking out both Ninjas with Kagero (Sheena Fortify Def her) while having Sheena weakening Navare so my Navare can 2 shot him with a dance. Having the Olivia bait the healer to attack her instead of taking out Navare. Finally, Olivia would dance aid Kagero to weaken the Axe guy so Navare could take him out as Sheena takes out the healer.
Sweetness! So glad I haven’t been summoning much recently, so now I have some orbs to try and get these guys! 😀
And is good this banner is coming now, because We will have World of Radiant quests for more Orbs, and in some days will have the May quests, for more Orbs.
Ike finally got a good VA.
SOREN AND IKE SO HYPED!!!!! also saw this after I got off work and thought the article was from the 24th while I was at work so got excited thinking it was already out…..I got bummed fast XD
Gonna get Ike, Soren and Mist hopefully Black Knight, Mia and Nephenee are later Micaiah is probably World of Dawn.
HOLD ON! My game crashed in the middle of download! Now I can’t seem to get another download or have the thing here! What’s gonna happen?! ;-;
gon save my orbs for celica.
Same!
If I had one Ryoma I would too, but Ike looks like a monster…
My game updated, but it didn’t show that Ike or any of these characters are in the game. Nor did it show that they can be summoned. I wish I knew why.
This isn’t coming out until tomorrow 😉
Ofc it’s everything related to Ike’s story. It’s just that it isn’t deployed just yet. Hang in there!
Wow, my favorite characters from my favorite Fire Emblem just dropped like that. I’m going to try for…well, all of them! Good thing I have at least 25 orbs saved!
Hell yeah!
And it seems like he also has a very good skillset 😀
Sucks Jason Atkins didn’t return, but Ike kinda needed a new VA anyway,
Really hope they step up the voice acting for FE warriors. Cuz so far…
I.M. Crying
I LOVE THE TELLIUS GAMES! I’m gonna dump ALL of my orbs on this focus.
All of my… 16… orbs…
BUT, I’ve still gotta earn the GHB orbs, I’ve still got 4 more to get from the Whitewings quests, there’s gonna be new paralogue chapters (and quests) tomorrow for more orbs, and the end of April is coming up, too, meaning even more potential orbs. I’m gonna try hard at summoning the Greil Mercenaries. They’ve got some sweet-looking skills, too.
Gotta remember to leave the Blue orbs. Those are not really worth anything, and besides, I’ve got plenty of worthwhile 5-star Blues as is.
Nice. Been wanting to get more Female Robins. Far as I can tell, she’s the ONLY unit in the game with Blue Tomebreaker, and Reinhardt has been a problem for me in Arena.
Mist looks weak, but you have to see that Spur skills do stack with other effects, that’s nice to have with someone worth it, maybe Robin M
Well, it’s about time they’re gonna release Ike and the others from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (and I better save those Orbs for that), along with a new Story chapter! Wait, does this mean that they’re gonna add Chapter 10, not Paralogue 6 or Xenologue 2?
missed Titania and Mist (so far) but got a single Ike and two Sorens. Kept the one with slightly better speed and little less attack and actually merged them which is super rare for me to do to 5 stars especially if they have good skills on them, but Soren is easily in my overall top 5 favorite FE characters and if I had a spare Takumi I would probably have him inherit close counter. For now I’ll just run a simple +5 hp on him for the A slot and for anyone with a penchant for unit effectiveness is there a better C skill for him than his standard fortify resist or should I go for like savage blow or threaten resist?
C skills are almost entirely dependent on what teammates you plan to use. Depending on how his stats turn out, a Threaten Speed or Res might be of better use.
Thank you,that is what I had figured but its always better to ask someone who probably understands the intricacies of the game better than I do, which is usually everybody XD
Also- Savage Blow is actually pretty risky. The free damage is nice, but if not carefully managed, it can put enemy units into range of defiant skills, Desperation, and Vantage.
So nice, it’s a new story chapter, so there’s 5 new maps, meaning 15 orbs to be gained, and then another 5 from the quests.
I also must voice my appreciation for the level design. THIS is what I want from Heroes. Defense missions and reinforcements, I think it compliments the game well, and it adds a nice new layer of strategy. It also gives a fair bit more reason to use units who are more durable, or units with healing capabilities, especially if you want to clear those quests that demand nobody falls in battle.
I’ve also had one round of summoning, and I’m happy to say I got Titania, which is a good start. Is she good? …Honestly, I’m not sure, but I had already vowed I’d use the Greil Mercenaries whenever they were gonna be introduced in Heroes, provided I could get them and regardless of how good they are. So I’m DEFINITELY using Titania.
Nino is still your best option
I know, and she’s amazing, but I do enjoy a bit of variety, and having options.
I’m no expert but you might be able offset the lower attack with like a silver weapon, I personally find the “gem” weapons, in this case her emerald axe, to be a tad situational so a more versatile weapon could help. However if you want the best new weapon that means you got to sacrifice a 5 star which is sounds like you don’t have a lot of green ones.
Yeah, I definitely do not have that option. Even if I did, with -Atk, Titania sits at 24 Atk before her weapon comes into account. Even with a Silver Axe+, that’s 39 Atk. Honestly, I don’t think I can viably replace her weapon. With that little attack power, I think she’s already doomed to lose duels with other axes, and she wasn’t gonna beat reds to begin with, so at least with the Emerald Axe, she’s gonna beat the blues convincingly.
You could give her something like threaten defense or Luna. This way you can use her tankiness to take the initial hit, and then she can hit them back for better damage. She might prove to be especially useful against someone like Linde with her high resistance and Emerald weapon.
Started the day with 240 orbs. Down to 60 and still no Ike…best I did was a 5-star Soren. Such is my luck, but I’ll level the crap out of him and see what he can do. I’m going to start stocking orbs again until some of the secondary characters from PoR and RD are made available as three and four-star options.
Im unsure if i should try… im, f2p and orbs are just too expensive where i live. i have 220 orbs, but most of the simulations i did i wasnt able to get ike…
Simulations? If there’s a character you want, you should try for him. You are never (especially as f2p) going to be guaranteed to get a specific character. But you definitely won’t draw him by saving your orbs.
I’m f2p, I tend to spend my orbs as I get them. I don’t have a big selection of 5*, but it’s fun to see who you end up with.
Well, you’re not going to let your orbs sit there forever right? Otherwise, there’s no point. 220 is a hefty amount. There’s a chance you won’t get Ike, but right now there’s no better time. Just make sure to roll only for reds.
Another thing is to not roll seeking only a certain character. Accept whatever you get, and grow to love them. Otherwise, you will be disappointed.
Well, Thank you. I was able to get him by trying only red ones, i didnt know that the apearence rate would still go up using this techinique… I also still have 81 orbs saved for future favorite characters(i dont know what i will do with this many Selenas i just got, btw…)
Yeah, it’s great that Ike and the others have finally been added and all, but there’s one problem: I CAN’T SUMMON ANY OF THEM, NOT EVEN IKE! And what’s worse?! I wasted all of my Orbs and I cannot buy them! THIS IS BULLCRAP, BULL…CRAP!!!
My first try. Appeared 2 Blue Orbs, 2 Green Orbs and 1 Colorless Orb. I choose the Green Orb and I got a 3* Beruka. Meh…
I stopped this summoning to try to get some Red Orbs (I want Ike). Second Try appeared 1 Blue, 2 Greens and 2 Colorless Orbs. I choose the Green Orb and I got a 3* Beruka… again… WHAT?!
Well I finally spent my 130 orbs I’d been saving for the day Tellius came out, and I now own Ike and Soren… I was really hoping for Titania, but hell, I’ll take Ike any day! Now I just get to wait forever to see if FE Heroes will ever release Laguz OTL
I will sink so many freaking orbs if they release Nailah and Tibarn.
I will BUY so many orbs if they release Lethe.
used 238 orbs and got no ike however I got a perfect 5* Erika tho
alcohol isn’t scrapped. currently playing in JP and i can’t get Mathilda or Saber to drink wine for some reason ;_;
Same here
Hi, the wording is a bit vague, but it means the ability to consume alcohol was probably scrapped (in all versions).
All alcoholic provisions have HP and Fatigue recovery data and a byte that only allows those 20 or above to use it. However, it seems this byte is completely ignored, so they cannot be consumed by anybody.
It’s likely the developers made a last minute change because they felt like it was discriminatory if certain characters couldn’t use those items. At the same time, it was too late to edit out all the alcohol from the game.
So basically, no one can use the alcohol, but the dev team never got around to actually taking it out of the game?
Trying to get Ike, Soren, and Titania. Got none of them. However, in my quest for them, I got 3 characters with 5*. Sanaki, Karel… and HECTOR! FUCK YEAH! Makes the whole thing worth it!
But I really do want the above 3 focus characters badly.
Also, anyone else struggling with the quests? They’re pretty tough, especially for the cases where you have to go through survival missions. You pretty much have to use the Light’s Blessings here.
Yeah, I figured it was something like that, when they said there’d be ‘Free DLC’. Fates’s ‘Free DLC’ was also occasional free item.
There’s “Before Awakening” which it’s free DLC in Fates as well.
Fair point.
I wonder if they still might try the scrapped RT FE game idea for FE 16 or of course semi ideas from it.
I think it would have to be for a spin-off. They did borrow some 3DS tech from the prototype though, so it wasn’t all a waste.
Yeah I probably should have said the setting since it looks amazing!
Tried twice and got ten 3 stars.
Yay.
Got Ike on my first summon. I’m pretty lucky now i just need to give him some good skills. Any suggestions?
so what it will probably be a few new upcoming features and new character announcements?
Looks like we’ll have to watch to find out. Datamining isnt as feasible as it used to be so nobody knows.
But really, what is their in the game besides features and characters?
If you havent the time, the Forest will surley give us a summation.
Our free orbs also ran out today, so this may involve the replacement to that too…
Unless the info is “2 free orbs forever and its no longer just timed events” I dont think thats the sort of thing they’ll be addressing.
I think we should expect more big and global changes, like entirely new gameplay mechanics or something.
Expecting news about the permadeath event myself
Look I’m trying to be positive and all but I absolutely despise the cinematic animation style
That’s why we play with animations off!
I said CINEMATICS, if I skip those I’ll miss the plot 😛
Wait, then what are you referring to? The supports or convos in general? The fact that the character speaking looks at Alm and Celica? I guess it’s annoying in a way, but it’s not too bad I think.
I’m kinda tired and can’t make sense of this, lol.
Oh my gosh
The movies
the ones with Alm fighting Rudolph while Celica is a ghost who can’t touch them
the ones where they got an animation studio in to do it for them
the ones that are usually saved as actual video files in games’ coding
those ones
link plz
Nah, so you mean the cutscenes then, no wonder I couldn’t figure it out haha. Well, I still don’t think they’re unbearable, if you disregard the voice acting. There will likely by only five of them at most so it shouldn’t be too much of a hassle to force yourself through them.
Well Tharja winning next gauntlet confirmed
probably but still gonna go with my fave of the bunch (Sanaki) first then see were that goes
They literally made fun of the gauntlet already knowing she wins lol.
Like hell she is. Robin’s gonna win! XP
And it was all in Japanese. All I got was the new hero battle (Xander) and a new popularity contest with mages. everything else I have an idea but don’t know for sure
Cool that forts are coming. Couldn’t understand everything though, in particular what was shown in the final orb. But it will be revealed soon enough I’d wager.
I’ll do everything in my power to prevent Tharja from winning however.
ROBIN FTW!!! Wait a second… Leo gets in the Gauntlet AGAIN?!
Everyone needs their Blarth fix apparently haha. No complaints, Leo was one of Fate’s better characters.
That picture with Azura, Hector, Ryoma and Takumi, had a date marked for tomorrow…could a banner with them be coming?
from what I understand, as I’ve taken almost a year of japanese by now, a new event called Golden Week will be starting tomorrow, where 5 star base summon rates are increased to 5% and a banner with takumi, hector, azura, and ryoma will be released
Well dang, that’s awesome! So long as they give us more orbs, more people may get Ike now! Thanks for the translation!
Thanks for the info gonna try the golden week thing ASAP
I just have the opera music from the lottery link playing in the background as I’m doing stuff lol. So basically it boils down to rerolling until you get a character that has a special attack and then choosing the right option to lock it in? I’m assuming its saved when you hit the “Top” Button to go back for when you roll again the next day.
At least IS knows of the ridiculous Gauntlet shenanigans going on and actually is doing something even though it’ll still not be enough anyway.
Glad their putting the popular units as focus summons as well!
Yep it works got Hector bad nature but with how long it took already created a good Sheena,
PSF if you cant hold the salt just say you summoned a Kagero.
I got a Hector -ATK +SPD… that’s something… And I need Azura!
Golden orbs = laguz?
80 orbs, one Azura and a Fae… And no Takumi or Hector. Somehow I knew that would happen.
The good news is I got Takumi. The bad news is I didn’t get Ryoma, I ended up getting two 3-Star Hinatas, and they’re both weak and useless! Goddammit!
I wish I got two Hinatas. If nothing else, those make outstanding inheritance fodder, as they get Fury 3 at 4-star. A highly sought-after skill for probably obvious reasons.
Trying to get Hector so I’ve been only rolling green orbs. I managed to get my rate up close to 7% and then they give me 4 blues and 1 colorless….I go for the blue with the intention of backing out and I get a freaking 5 star Azura -_-. FYI I already have an Azura. Went through all my orbs so I’ll just wait until the rate up almost ends to go with the ones I save up from now until then.
Anyone pissed that some of the characters people want badly are coming JUST as we got Ike and the others? Its like we have to choose between Ike or the others. I still need to get Ike, Azura, Takumi, and though I got Hector, you can never have too many Hectors.
I’m on the same boat. I really want Ike and crew, but this banner with top-tier units, at a base appearance rate of 5% is seriously tempting. I really want the mercenaries, but the rational side of me is saying “Ike is bound to make more banner appearances, don’t sweat it and just go for the best odds”… But I want them so bad… I don’t know what to do. I’m at 17 orbs right now, soon it will be plenty to go for another round of summoning, but I am having a hard time deciding what banner I’ll pick.
Doesn’t help that the upcoming Voting Gauntlet also means two banners for that, with the female mage banner in particular just being all solid units (and Linde who’s just straight up top-tier).
EXACTLY. This is literally making me ready to break my bank apart to get all my money into this. Damn you, IS for making this be so painful for me!!! ;-;
Its the entire point in my opinion… They know Ike is the most popular character and that everyone was saving orbs just for him… But once people get him they may lose interest. So they include all the other characters that everyone wants to make them spend orbs not on Ike that way they had a focus for him and he goes into the pool of characters and everyone goes out of their mind spending heaps more money. For the people who did spend all their orbs on Ike they will spend more and more money trying to get the top tier units. I bet you that next week will be a very good summon as well. I think most people underestimate how manipulative this game actually is.
Oh, I see, this “Golden Week” is exclusively for Japanese people who are playing the Japanese version of this game, right? It sucks, doesn’t it? Us, Americans, can’t play Golden Week, obviously.
The website is international (I’m in America with an American Nintendo account) but I don’t know if the prizes will be.
So… in May 2nd we will have another Focus Banner? Xander Great Hero Battle Banner?
No doubt. Question is, who will be on it?
Only really obvious pick I see is Raigh, given the fact that Xander has poor Res and is a cavalry unit, and Raigh gets a Wolf tome by default, and there’s also a Green-tome Cav. Other than that, though, who knows?
They might also slap in Ryoma, because of his rivalry with Xander, but given that he’s on a banner literally right now, I kinda doubt it.
Voices can still be turned off right?
Yeah, it should be possible to move the voice slider to 0. Good thing ’cause the constant English voice acting is seriously getting on my nerves. For me, it’s either Japanese or nothing, with a preference towards the latter.
“Buy these games without worries!”
Pfffttpwahahahahahahahaha
(While keeping a forced smile) … (Laughs awkwardly)
Elphin’s art looks really pretty 😀
Didn’t they also mention that they would discuss the paid Cipher DLC for Echoes on the May 13 broadcast?
Yeah, I mentioned that in the last tidbit about the livestream. Would be cool if it worked in the English versions of the game too, but it’ll be nice to learn what it is at least. 🙂
Yeah but of course it’ll be Japan only
There’s no reason to assume that. They certainly didn’t make the Jugdral or Valentian characters Japanese exclusive for Awakenings DLC.
It was like that in Fates with cipher DLC they aren’t putting JP card characters to english no reason to especially when its only JP marketed merch
The difference was that DLC was specifically given away by buying Cipher sets. This is just regular paid DLC without any strings attached.
Point still stands unlikely for JP only marketed merch
NoA just announced that all the DLC including the 2 Cipher maps are releasing in the west.
Can’t wait till the eventual over class style art plus Alm and Celica’s new 3rd tier art!
I am so glad there is no Pair-Up. Hate this mechanic.
wish i had the money for this
None of the new quests had hero’s light as a reward. I still have over 20 but I like having them there for quests that just start grating on me.
Did the Xander GHB just this morning. It wasn’t too hard, though it helps that I happened to have good units for the job. I think so long as you have a strong red mage or bow user, a dancer, a lance-slaying unit with Draw Back, and another unit that can beat Xander in a duel reliably (preferably a Blue Dragon), you should be able to beat this GHB fine. I don’t think that’s too demanding.
I managed to beat it with just Sheema, Linde, and Thany. One of the easier ones so far, but I doubt we will get a really difficult one judging by the ones we’ve had.
Sheema? Thany? …Who?
That would be Sheena and Shanna in English.
So… Celica is a red unit. But is she a sword hero or a Mage?
She could be either, but I’d say it’s more likely she will be a mage.
Doubt it she has her own legendary sword in echoes so Sword.
Is that so? I don’t remember anything like that in Gaiden. There she always turned out being a very good magical unit for me, and less so as a physical one.
Yeah she now has her own signature sword now in SoV she could have a AoE skill similar to Growing Flame
Oh, it was the very first time i won a GHB in the first attempt, im not used at winning easy, i dont know what ill do the next days, now… my team was Ike(reposition), Beruka(Full inheritance), Nino(deadweight) and F!Corrin (For an sibling duel). I Just think this battle would be better if theme song was thorn in you.
Celica FINALLY can’t wait to get her!!!!!!!
3*Sophias are waiting for you!
I’m very lucky so I’m good!
I did the Xander Lunatic map with Hector, Sherena, Ursula, and Roy…it was surprisingly easy.
Thanks! I was having problems with Lunatic Xander but I decided to used a team similar to yours (Hector, Ursula, Ephraim and Marth). And I won.
This is the first arena season where I don’t have any of the bonus units properly trained. Does anyone know what amount of points you need in order to rank up (tier), and if it’s possible to do so without any of the bonus units? I’m guessing it should be possible, but it doesn’t hurt to ask.
The bonus unit gives x2 points. It’s unreasonable not to take one. So even if your best option is 4* – go for it.
Yeah, I know that much. The only one I really have is Zephiel, and I don’t feel like putting down the time needed to grind him to 40, which is why I figured I could spend that time going for a 7 advanced streak without any bonus units instead. But idk.
You can just take lvl1 Zephiel with you. It will still be better than any other option. And probably your other 3 units will be way stronger than opponent’s four.
That might work, actually. My default arena team consists of 3 supporting fliers and Robin with bowbreaker for backup. I could push my luck and replace Robin with him.
Ha, what do you know? The Xander Grand Hero Battle Lunatic mode is actually easy! I defeated him and his army using my 5-Star Tharja, my 5-Star Reinhardt, my 5-Star Spring Camilla, and my 4-Star Olivia! Super easy!
Xander was the easiest. Defeated on both Hard & Lunatic on the first try. My team was Ryoma, Hector, Ephraim & Elise.
Sweet, thanks for the lowdown guys! Any chance you’ll cover Wave 4 when they release the info for it?
Yeah this is great, but where the heck is the full character artwork for Forsyth and the rest? Come on IS!
It’ll come it won’t be like Fates
I hope so…
It’s already on the Japanese site.
It’s already out on the Japanese website.
I hate this new DLC-exclusive classes. Adding another tier of classes in a game where you can’t wield more than one type of weapon is pointless. The game is already easily beatable with the available classes. These classes are only here to be flashy and get people to spend more cash. If their only purpose is to make upcoming DLC-exclusive maps like apotheosis possible, I swear I’m never spending a dollar in FE DLC ever again.
uh….k?
I wasn’t gonna do that in the first place, because I don’t like the way IS handles DLC at all. Exclusive Classes aren’t even the worst of it.
And what way is it worst? This is a new concept they handled it perfectly and OPTIONAL not required.
You think locking story and character development behind an extra paywall is fair practice? And though I have no real proof of it, I’m convinced it’s content that was already done by the time the game released. In other words, I believe it’s held-back content, used as a quick cash-grab. That aside, I think it’s much overpriced anyway. Nintendo’s been DLC in various games for some time now, and most of those games offer MUCH more value for the price they ask. Fire Emblem’s DLC content is a comparitively shallow deal.
Fire Emblem does DLC right. Even the story-related stuff isn’t plot-essential, it’s just extra; it doesn’t fit into the plot naturally, and would be clunky to implement. It really doesn’t matter if it was done before or after the game itself was because it wouldn’t be in the game by default anyway if DLC wasn’t a thing, it just wouldn’t exist, or if it did, the game itself would cost more. It’s literally optional in every way. You have to pay EXTRA because it’s EXTRA content. Don’t buy a dress and complain that it doesn’t come with makeup.
Oh really, and how do you know? Have you played that DLC already to know that story content wouldn’t fit in the main game? Please enlighten me then, WHY couldn’t they? Because I don’t see it. Remember also that they did it with New Mystery of the Emblem just fine, so what’s the important difference here?
And as for the pricing, you should understand I’m not principally against paid DLC. But then, compare the DLC here and its value, to DLC in practically every other Nintendo game that has it. I don’t know about you, but to me it’s painfully obvious how much of a gap in value there is here. The price/value ratio is horribly skewed compared to how it is in other Nintendo games.
DLC has become a goal in and of itself, rather than a means of expanding an already great gaming experience, and I refuse to be some mindless sheep to that. I find it unacceptable, and I want Nintendo and Intelligent Systems to be aware of that.
“The game is already beatable with the available classes.” Um, that’s a good thing! It means people don’t have to buy DLC to complete the game!
Like this is ridiculous.
“If their only purpose is to make upcoming DLC-exclusive maps like apotheosis possible, I swear I’m never spending a dollar in FE DLC ever again.”
Intelligent Systems: “Here’s some 100% optional content that you might need to beat other 100% optional content”
Y’all: “WE’RE BEING ROBBED”
wait–wait a second… what you said implies you still plan on buying DlC… even though you just said you hated it… like wha…
Are… are you being put up to this? Is some holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy this? No wonder you’re complaining about it! I feel so sorry for you!
“These classes are only here to be flashy and get people to spend more cash.”
You want me to let you in on a little secret?
The GAME is only here to get people to spend cash.
Apparently I trained and inherited stuff for Clarine without knowing. Guess now it finally pays off xD
Don’t know if I’m gonna be using DLC for this game but the stuff is pretty cool I’ll say that much.
I love the over-class concept hope this stays moving forward and the new 3rd tier classes for Alm and Celica its so elegant and awesome!
3rd Tiers for Alm and Celica, and 4th Tiers for everyone else. If it weren’t for the fact that Alm and Celica promote alongside the story, I’d totally grind everyone up right at the beginning just for the shits and giggles.
It’s also only 3rd tiers for some of the classes like mages, it looks like… (seriously, not all the classes have the same number of tiers! How clunky is that?!)
Some of the normal classes only have 2 tiers (without DLC) though. (Geez, that’s really sloppy…)
Xander was really easy. With a team of Ike, Sharena, Hector, and Kagero, it took no time at all.
might get the training DLC but probably pass on the class DLC its a little frivolous and I can use that money to fail to get the heroes I want in FE:H
Why do people actually spend money in Fire Emblem Heroes
hmmm well to speak for myself its I want my favorite characters mostly, every once in a while I just want to try for some heroes, but with the stacking odds to get a 5 star and you don’t get one it can be a “surely the next one will be 5 star or “X” character”. So it depends on the focus but when there’s a new one I go for the one that interests me the most and usually stop after getting them. If I somehow get 3 out of 4 characters from the focus its bad news because then my collector personality kicks in and its very hard for me not to buy orbs till I get that last person, this happened with Julia when that focus was released, and it cost me more than I like to admit.
Kinda don’t like how fast this stuff is coming out. It smells of the type of DLC held back from the main game so they could sell for more money. Or maybe I’m being a conspiracy theorist.
Its a remake so it never was intended to be pushed alot like how FE Switch will be pushed alot this is just to play to hold off till then there was never intentions for the DLC to be extended each pack.
Woah!
I’m Like Really Hyped Right Now!
Those Over-Class units look awesome!
Can’t wait to try them myself!
And the Deliverance Short Stories looks way awesome as well!
Good thing i have some saved up money!
So the cipher characters ARE coming funny that it was never explained in the NA video but on a Europe site I’m not surprised even though their not bringing the TCG over it make sense that original characters should come playable so I’m happy!
So much DLC, my god. If the season pass is 45 Euro’s and saves 30%, then that means the total of it if it were bought individually is about 64 Euro’s. And indeed, it contains exclusive items, classes, convenience maps and even story and character development. All locked behind paywalls, and the game only just released in Japan, and isn’t even out here yet. I cannot accurately put into words how much I hate what they’re doing here. Of course I have no real proof of this, but I’m convinced much if not all of the DLC was already done by the time the game released in Japan. I said it before and I will keep saying it, I do not trust IS with DLC.
Don’t forget the Cipher DLC, which is 2-4 exclusive characters unobtainable otherwise. Admittedly, they probably won’t have anything like Support Conversations, but still.
I’ll be getting this. I felt the DLC in Fates was overkill, considering the game was already pretty much three full adventures. I didn’t bother with any DLC or paralogues by the time I hit Revelations. But since Echoes is more compact, I have a feeling this bonus content will be more fun.
Oh it will be <3
What the hell even are these prices. Yes, I get that these cost money to make, but this is beyond pushing it.
Seriously, $45 for a dlc collection is too much for a $40 game, and that’s WITH THE DISCOUNT INCLUDED.
I’ll see how the game is but im thinking I’ll probably getting only bundle one and the cipher characters…..maybe the Spartan class just for the sheer randomness.
Picking and choosing is likely the best way to go here. I’ll get the pass since I’ve got a bunch of eShop credit ready to go, but would buy it even if that weren’t the case. Some dudes spend $45 on a round of golf…I play Fire Emblem. You can bet I wouldn’t be tossing this kind of money at my kids, though, if they wanted all of this.
I definitely see why people are upset this DLC is very expensive for a remake game too much especially for the ultimate class one together.
I really hate that the ultimate classes aren’t a dollar a piece. At least make them more interesting or intricate (I really wanted an elephant)!
Um, isn’t it two dollars for ALL the classes? Isn’t that a better deal?
Look again, Ember… 14.99 for the bundle.
Well this is why I’m wearing glasses
Yeah I’m not buying that lol
It really should be 2-4 total, though. Such a scam.
Pointless? Exactly… it’s just extra stuff that you don’t need for the main game that you only have to buy if you want… funny how that works…
Costs way too much, DLC shouldn’t cost more than the actual game itself especially for a reamke.
What. Awakening and Fates’ dlc costed just as much if not more than 40 bucks. This is ridiculous.
Uh……that was more worth than what Echoes is delivering..
As this dude says, the pace is causing many to think it’s a cash grab and that it’s content cut out to get money. I wouldn’t be suprised considering the industry these days.
Yet you can buy the shit separately. Every single one of those has full voice acting, there’s backstory, new classes with new original animations, and new characters in pack 5. This is bullshit.
Unless there is actually more DLC than the game itself..
plot twist; there isn’t… otherwise we are being lied to about this being a long game
They are going a bit too ham with the dlc… Hope this isn’t a precedent for what’s to come….
Unfortunately, it definitely is.
Jesus
How does those “ultimate classes” look? Depending of that it may be the only DLC i get.
!!!CIPHER!!! PROOF THAT GOD ANSWERS OUR PRAYERS!
Yes, yes, it’s not an official announcement for the internationalization for the TCG, but it still leads to more hopes, like the Ø4 going to Heroes and/or #WorldWideCipher, plus at this point I’ll take what I can get. However, NoA not mentioning Pack 5 has me a little worried – do they just really not like NoJ or something? They sure seem to skip out on giving us a bunch of stuff that Japan and sometimes even Europe gets an awful lot.
As for the DLC itself, I don’t really see any reason to buy much of it besides Pack 5 assuming NoA doesn’t just decide to be idiotic and skip out on us. I mean, I’ll probably get maybe two or three of the Final Tier Class DLCs(Like Spartan for the Memes that are no doubt already rampant online) and one set of the Farming DLCs, but really, I’m pretty much mostly in it for da Shade. Besides, holy crap Nintendo, I’m already pumping a fat load of money into importing Cipher because you guys haven’t gotten around to actually giving it to us plus buying Echoes on its own, I ain’t got another $50 to blow on anything less than that Binding Blade remake you guys’ve owed us for freaking years.
Too bad we didn’t get the HD DVD that’s wat I wanted oh well I just got normal game only
Talking about Echoes… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/855d8d309d578c16948586321e75252483cf781f583def008600684931c830e6.png
Can we still get the festival dlc please? No? Goddamit.
I mean thats the second best dlc after heirs of fate.
I do not know if someone else noticed it, but Mae will be one of the new heroes in the next Echoes Banner. So, Celica and Mae confirmed.
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Well, gee, I wonder who the other two guys from Fire Emblem Echoes will it be?
For now, we have Celica, which is a red unit (but we do not know if she is a sword or a tome user), and Mae is a Mage but she can be a red tome (fire) or a blue tome (thunder) user. I do not think Boey will appear. Maybe Saber, Conrad or Valbar. In my opinion, if we got Faye in Alm banner, we will have Conrad in Celica Banner.
Saber and Valbar are the safest bets. There’s actually a secret pattern that hints at those two specifically, but I won’t mention it in case it’s wrong XD
If so, we will probably end up with with Red Celica, Blue Mae (Thunder and Aura?), Red Saber and Blue Valbar. Unless they go creative and decide to give Valbar axes.
Yes… Celica, Mae, Saber and Valbar are a good team for a banner. They could make a colorless unit too, with Leon or Genny.
Another one that could is Celica, Mae, Conrad, and Valbar. I say Conrad specifically because Faye – a unit not in the original Gaiden but in Echoes – was in Alm’s banner, so I think it would be safe to assume that Conrad – a unit not in the original Gaiden but in Echoes – would be in Celica’s banner.
She very likely swords she has her own sword now for guys Its likely Valbar and Saber.
Ok, I was wrong… Celica, Boey, Mae and Genny are a the heroes of the new banner. 3 Mages and a healer.
And not to mention “3 girls and one guy”.
Tharja in the new voting gauntlet? Three guesses on who will win…
Wrys is in the mage gautlet right? I’m sure he will win 😉
If only. His OP God powers would conquer all. Nintendo will make the winner obvious, but they would never make it as obvious as to put Wrys in.
Uh, mindless kid, this Gauntlet is for the mages, not for healers, so that old coot Wrys is disqualified. Too bad for you, mindless kid, Tharja is sure to win.
The joke>your head. Not that I blame you really.
lols made me think of those 90’s toys r us commercials cuz u calling me a kid so much. if that 1990 is ur birth year im older than u
You don’t look older than me, you poor misguided childish troll, that’s why you failed this argument. Wrys is disqualified, and you know it. You lose. Ha ha ha.
Wooooow. Dude. The joke that Wrys is OP mega god is a mini meme from Sagemaster15, or Sages. He once upped a Wrys to 5 stars for comedic effect. Also went into Arena matches with 4 Wrys and actually won three matches.
Wrys gets a free retry actually, we’ll see what’s next.
Nice reference to Sages.
I feel a bit dirty supporting Tharja. In the previous two gauntlets, I always sided with the underdogs.
It’s funny that IS is putting all these fan service sluts up with actual good characters and the horrible ones still win.
More or less is decided, only Robin can have any real chance of winning but that is thanks to the new rules, at least I hope if Robin beat my team #Team Leon.
A new banner and events? Yeah, we all know that it’s going to be Celica, Mae, and probably the other two guys from Fire Emblem Echoes, guaranteed. Well, then I guess I better save those Orbs for that next main banner, and I’m gonna say goodbye to Ike and the others from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. …Goddammit!
Has anyone datamined yet?
Welp, Sanaki is the only one I have at 5 star and level 40 among these.
I really want to support Julia, but i don’t have her. I guess it’s either Robin or Merric.
Do you get a bonus if you have the unit or something?
Yeah, it’s pretty small though. I didn’t have any bonus units for the Fliers Gauntlet, but I did fine score-wise.
Weird, I still have the old “Check Rewards” screen in the Arena.
Did you specifically select to view “Score Type: Tier”? The Check Rewards screen defaults to Offense and both that and Defense still look the same as the old screen.
Ah thanks I didn’t see that. Found it now 🙂
So what was the consensus of the yellow orb from the golden week thing? A guaranteed 5 star orb that is maybe let out during events eventually? It’s in the opening cinematic so you’d thing it be in the game sooner or latter.
I wonder what the Golden Orb has to do with the new update, but I can wait for the data mine if/when someone does that.
What? Ursula is coming back tomorrow? Oh no, my team is not ready for that God forsaken Lunatic Grand Hero Battle! This is going to suck, again!
Oh sweet, Ursula coming back. The one GHB unit I originally missed, because I just couldn’t win. But surely, I should have the means to make it now. Excited for that.
Ursula’s Grand Hero Battle Map:
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The Great Battle Units were Kagero, Effie and Nino, cant remembrer the 4° one
The last one was Felicia.
Wasn’t this the Navarre grand battle instead?
Not the one with Navarre haved Effie Caeda Sophia and Kagero guess is a *if have pesky thiefs around use Effie or Kagero* case, is written in mini postwall in the older entries.
Took on the Ursula GHB, and thanks to having a much better selection of units, I did it without too much trouble. Turns out, Zephiel is a boss here. Bait and kill Ursula early (I happen to have Nino for that, so that made things easy), then just wall out the opposition with Zephiel. He really won’t take much damage at all, even at 4-star. Dancer support is great as always. I also brought in Cordelia… but she didn’t end up doing anything.
Now these quests, though… hoo boy, I’m not sure how I’m going to accomplish those, especially killing Ursula using Anna and my own (new) Ursula. I have Anna trained up to 4-star level 40. With a Spd+1 seal, she can double her, so actually killing her with Anna should be no problem. Getting her out of there alive afterwards looks trickier to me. And then using Ursula, who I still have to train up all the way… No clue how I’m going to tackle that just yet. I suppose I’ll figure something out.
And I wonder who’ll be returning next of the GHB’s. I guess Narcian will be making another appearance after Lloyd comes.
Actually you can beat Ursula from 9-3 of Story map. She’s like level 22 out there so beating with Anna should be easy
Ah, right, well that should make things a little easier then. Thank you for reminding me.
If you play the Lunatic version of 9-3, she’s even at level 40 for the other quest too!
I am against to say how things are easy for sheer fear IS may up their game, original female Robin were hard enough imo needed spend a stamina potion in the end. But was easy with Hector a dancer a healer he took all down even the sword cavalier on Lunatic if you heal him.
Hector is a heroes Killer. I used Hector in Lunatic too. In Ursula vs. Ursula quest, I almost lost when Enemy Ursula attacked my Ursula and she survived with only 1 HP.
Thanks the tip but I think is too much work and resources for a single orb but hey enjoy your 5 star Ursula not malice behind.
lol, I dislike how they keep bringing back these so frequently. But more copies of them can’t hurt anyway.
GODDAMMIT, I hate this Grand Hero Battle! I couldn’t beat Ursula on Lunatic mode back then, and now I still can’t beat her, or her damn thieves with poison daggers! The other players must have beaten her at ease with their Hectors and their Azuras, while my team is still weak AF! It’s not fair, DAMMIT!
What are your strongest units?… maybe we can create a strategy to help you.
You know what? Never mind, after many trials and errors, I finally beat Ursula in Lunatic mode, with my 5-Star Spring Xander, my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Nino, and my 4-Star Ursula. I doubted myself back then, but I finally did it. Thanks, anyway.
Wow! This is great. I have 5-stars Ursula (I got her with 3 stars in the first GHB, and used 22.000 feathers to raise her to 5-stars) and she can be very useful.
Okay, WHAT THE HELL?! I keep on losing at Part 4 of the Defensive Battles on Hard! Why did everyone else have good characters such as Hector and Azura and Ryoma to pass that level WHILE I DO NOT?!
Sheena makes this grand hero battle kinda easy if you have a healer.
Use Zephiel and you don’t even need a healer, really. Dispatch of Ursula, and nobody can touch him, more or less. Evat 4-star, the thieves will not be able to damage him.
Very curious to see if the new comeback mechanic is going to change anything. I think everyone knows that Tharja’s the favourite here. If there’s any chance of her losing, it’ll be to Robin, and nobody else. So my first-round predictions:
Tharja > Linde. I can see Linde have made it to the second round if she wasn’t matched up with Tharja immediately, but she is.
Sanaki Henry. I don’t feel like people care about Henry anymore.
Robin > Merric. Robin is just popular. The only character here who can maybe compete with Tharja, especially with the comeback mechanic. And poor Merric remains in the dust of Khadein…
Myself, though? I want feathers, and considering who I do and don’t have, my best pick looks like it’ll be Merric. I have him and his lack of popularity should make it fairly easy to achieve a good rank without investing too many feathers.
I wouldn’t count Merric out just yet, right now Robin vs Merric is 1,923,503,868 to 1,757355,564. Pretty close compared to my past experiences with voting gauntlets.
And optimistically thinking Linde might beat Tharja from her status as a top tier hero. Though I’m probably just saying that because i hate Tharja. I’m an Awakening fan, but i really hate Tharja,
Yeah, I know, I’m supporting Merric myself, as I figured I’d be doing before, and I’m quite surprised to see Merric hold up so well. Turns out that 3x multiplier is quite impactful. Depending on what players do in the final few hours, and if the comeback mechanic kicks in at the right moment, there’s a slight chance Merric might overtake Robin at the last moment. And it sounds like Tharja vs. Linde is much the same. Additionally, I understand that the other two battles, Leo vs. Henry, and Sanaki vs. Julia are pretty even as well. Been a few hours since I read that, so things might’ve changed, but I don’t know. It’s cool to see we’re not just getting landslide victories everywhere this time.
Sorry for any Robin in advance but you guys are the only ones capable to win against Tharja I kinda know this, but still want to see how strong your drive is.
So in second the phase of Guantlet against Leo please not hold back.
The only way to get maximum points is not sleeping for almost entire week.
I know Celica is a magic Lord but I’m shocked they never use her unique sword in echoes I guess she have it in FE Warriors with her multi magic still she is definitely powerful from what it looks like glad I save my orbs! also I’m shocked no Saber, Valbar or even that new character didn’t show but oh well.
It makes sense with Alm’s banner having no magic users that Celica’s banner would balance things out with all magic users.
RIP Linde
I know Celica is a magic Lord but I’m shocked they never use her unique sword in echoes I guess she have it in FE Warriors with her multi magic still she is definitely powerful from what it looks like glad I save my orbs! also I’m shocked no Saber, Valbar or even that new character didn’t show but oh well also hilarious that Valentia characters are using Tomes yeah its to keep the balance of Heroes weapons but still funny to me!
Yeah Celica definitely is the one I’m looking forward too as well! Plus to that guy of course there wouldn’t be magic users in Alms early group until Luthier and Delthea this was obvious though its weird Celica didn’t have her new sword here even as a primary magic Lord oh well its gonna be in Warriors anyway!
What’s this? Celica is a magic user and not a sword user like Alm? Well, I guess it make sense since she uses magic for fighting. Also, they added one guy and yet another girl, making the total of 3 girls and one guy in this new banner. I’m gonna take a wild guess that the new story chapter and the new banner will be added after the banner of Ike and the others from “Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance” ends, right?
Probably we’ll see soon.
What I wrote earlier on Youtube:
So a lot off interesting new skills.
Ragnarok is a legendary weapon which is always great. Can’t argue with 14 Might on a tome. +5Atk/Spd if she enters battle at full HP. That could make Celica super deadly in the first combat she enters (depending on her stat spread), provided it’s not her getting attacked by a close-range unit. The penalty is also a cool nod to the way spells in Gaiden/SoV drain the user’s HP, and simultaneously keeps the bonus of Ragnarok relatively in check. OBVIOUSLY encourages healing support. Distant Defense should make her very difficult to kill at range as well. That said, I think this will be an extremely popular inheritance skill.
Owl tomes looks like they’ll pack a lot of potential, but require tight positioning, which sounds difficult. Potentially powerful, but I think the difficulty in using them will not make them particularly popular. Also great potential to be EXTREMELY annoying in missions with a lot of enemy units clustered together. Dunno about Earth Boost, though. The presence of this skill on Boey suggests he’ll come with a lot of HP, and it probably also makes him rather difficult to efficiently, but to be honest, I don’t really see this skill doing very much.
Nothing particularly new for Mae, there’s another Owl tome and also the next EXP skill, this time for Blue Tomes. Still, Draw Back is always a good support skill to have, and Desperation implies Mae will be fast. Fast tome users are always a good thing.
Lastly, Wrathful Staff. Now, if you’ve been keeping up with FE Heroes meta, staff wielders aren’t exactly popular, mainly because of the fact they are almost completely helpless in combat. If there is ever going to be a skill with the potential to change that, it’s this one. Staff damage is normally cut straight in half, but with this skill, that is the case no longer. Very excited to see if this will actually make staves combat-viable at all.
Well, these are just some new heroes that this game won’t let me summon! If I can’t summon Alm, then how can I summon Celica?! This game hates me now…
You haven’t even tried yet. If one failure was indicative of all other failures, nobody would have ever succeeded in anything. Since everyone fails something once at sometime.
Don’t want summon Mae or Celica.
Nintendo logic have you guys ever heard?
All I want is Distant Defence on my Zephiel.
These voting things are always depressing…
shade is a saint?? whoa nelly
I guess she loves to experiment? She’s been all kind of classes in Cipher; I know she’s been a Sage and a Witch.
Well I know that once I have all the DLC, she’ll probably instantly be grinded into a Tatiana
Hate to be a nuisance, but the class is TITANIA, and Tatiana is the saint that loves Zeke
Yeah, she kinda flits between any magic using classes.
She was a Bishop in Series 5, so it’s not outside of her wheel house.
These look awesome sadly they likely won’t really talk or have supports but love the models and art being made for them they better keep bringing them back especially for FE 16 Switch!
Yeah since they’ll probably be reoccurring characters its possible I hope lets be real!
They do have supports, but only between them.
Wait – why is Yuzu a Priestess?
Because there’s no female myrmidon class in this game and the only female class that can use swords in this game is priestess that will probably change in the next game.
The Echoes cards look epic especially the obvious Alm and Celica ones, the Laguz as well plus I expected Sharena getting another card since she’s the more popular Heroes Lord!
If this game has taught me anything, it is to never, ever, EVER summon on the first day of a banner.
Guaranteed 3 stars.
Gonna wait ’til Thursday or so.
Celica and Genny are the only ones I want, really. The Owl tomes don’t look that great (gonna be a pain when facing enemies that can have 5 allies, though).
That’s not true at all. Already got Genny and Mae.
While I did get a fair share of 3* while spending the ~50 Orbs I’ve saved up for the last couple week, I did manage to snag a 5* Celica for myself as well. 🙂 Don’t give up hope!
I literally got a Celica in my second stone though
I never got shit on all the other summons, before. My luck always seems to be sometime in the middle. Eirika, Titania, Sanaki, Nowi, etc. have all been just random occurrences midway through a banner.
Tried a pull last night and got 3 star Selena and 4 star Draug. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.
Boom.
Got Celica with my second orb this morning.
Not the most interesting banner, but I’d like to get Genny and see how she fares with the Wrathful Staff.
I got Genny, and she does look powerful with her Wrathful Staff, for a healer.
Question about the possible Radiant Dawn banner which are chances of Elincia is on kinda need a famous pegasus lancer with a lance asap.
Elincia is mainly a sword user. After all, she has a prf sword weapon iirc.
Yea worst case scenario (to me) but do you know Heroes dont exactly follow the games Raven with axe. Jaffar with daggers this kinda of stuff so yeah better get ready for the worse but hope for the best
Well, no thief seems to follow their correct weapon if we see knife as being incorrect. Also, you could say Raven can use axes after promotion. Though Faye still confuses me with her use of bows…
Well just food for thought but didn’t mages are able to attack 1 to 2 in normal games
I guess not much in this game is 100% like the game. Either way though, I do want Elincia in the game as I really like her.
The issue with that is Raven is best with a sword, for obvious reasons. They also need to fix his voice actor. Cancerbrook should never be allowed to voice a good character. R.i.p Raven and Karel
Raven’s voice is incredible though. I get chills…
No it isn’t Cancerbrook literally ruins everything he touches, well except Tiz, which is another story entirely.
Thing is, Raven does get Axes after promotion, and all thieves and assassins in Heroes have been shown to get daggers. Elincia, however, plain and simply never wields lances. She wields swords and staves, and that’s it. She even has her personal sword, Amiti. Besides, we already have 8 lance pegasus knights right now, compared to 2 sword pegasus knights. I think we could do with some more sword-pegasus options.
All right. I suppose so. You kinda answered two ways she can come out btw just pointing it out.
Got Celica and Genny so I’m satisfied!
Damn, Bruno killed Zacharias? Now he’s gonna regret it, both Bruno and Veronica.
Anyway, I know the drill: I’m never going to summon any of those characters from Fire Emblem Echoes, because I will end up summoning these same old useless heroes! Nope, not looking forward to this! F it!
Pretty sure Bruno is Zacharias and that’s about it
Are you sure? They’re not gonna pull the “Darth Vader” BS on us, are they?
I think Bruno is possessing Zacharias at this point. Since he was quite obviously Zacharias at one point.
Um, no, I find that hard to believe. Zacharias was a Lance Fighter, while Bruno is a Blue Cavalier. Just because they’re both blue units doesn’t mean they’re one in the same.
yes and Lucina is a sword user but for the spring festival she uses a blue tome. People can learn new skills and disguise themselves if they go undercover. Law enforcement does it all the time.
FYI, Lucina is a red unit while Spring Lucina (which I never have) is a blue unit, that doesn’t count at all, and it has nothing to do with Zacharias.
Well it implies within the confines the game that a person can use 2 different weapon types like if “Bruno” is indeed Zacharias. However you believe what you do and I can respect that. As such I wish you a good day and good pulls on heroes 😀
Same to you, kid, though I doubt you have better heroes than me.
They pretty much gave enough clues. “Zacharias (AKA Zach)” was researching about the royal family and found out about Bruno. He realizes that Bruno is trying to control Veronica (as with the whole “voices telling me to kill” bit). He gets Nino to send our group a letter to confirm that Bruno is the big bad and he is trying to control people. At this point Zach -while fighting against our group- hasn’t been the most blood thirsty and has shown mercy. Now with recent events we get this “new” Zach AKA “Bruno” who basically is Zach taking a 180 on personality on (I WILL KILL YOU!!! RAWRG!) when he never acted like that before. So it can be seen as Zach looking too deep into the Bruno case, and getting possessed by him in the end.
1. Bruno isn’t a lance user
2. Alfonse, Sharena and Anna didn’t recognize him as Zacharias even after repeated seeing him up close and hearing his voice
Okay, if you think Bruno is Zacharias, then why wasn’t Zacharias seen when he saved Kiran’s life, my life, our lives, from getting killed by Veronica? Are they really pulling the “Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker” bull crap?! I find that hard to believe, because if I remember correctly, Zacharias was a Lance Fighter, while Bruno is a Blue Cavalier. Just because they’re both blue units doesn’t mean they’re one in the same.
Plus, it’s a gatcha game, not the place to have the most awesome written story
I dunno what a “gatcha game” is, but that story is involved in this game, guaranteed.
Yeah. I think he’s lying at the end of Chapter 11.
Also, at the end of Chapter 10 (when Veronica tries to kill the Summoner), a guy stops her, and we have the following dialogue:
???: Run, Summoner! Toward the light! Just go! Trust me! I’m Zacharias- Alfonse and Sharena’s friend!
We already know that ??? is Bruno, so unless there is another ??? in the game, Bruno is Zacharias.
The mystery will be solver sooner or later, because I found two more “Secret” Google Play Achievements. That means Chapter 12 and 13 are already in the works.
The thing is, how do they really not recognize who Bruno really is because of just a small mask and they would recognize his voice. Unless Bruno transformed into someone else I don’t see how Bruno is able to fool the Askr gang. Unless I am overestimating how smart they are.
This is not about how smart the characters are, but how simplified the game story have been so far, after all it is a mobile game intended to reach the casual players.
Could be different? Could. Will it be? Hardly.
Pulled a +def/-res Boey
Not sure if a good boonbane, but i’m happy
Now, come to me Celica
Anyone else think this banner kinda looks like the cover to one of those dating Sim apps? IDK, with all the blushing, it is just giving off that vibe.
do you think they will remake fe4 and add thracia 776 in it
That’d be the longest FE game ever by far. If they ever remake 4, it’ll be separate from Thracia.
I just checked Bruno and Veronica pages on Fire Emblem Heroes Wiki and I found something interesting – some of their sound effects hints that they will be playable in the future. More details here:
http://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Bruno/Quotes
http://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Veronica/Quotes
Oh, yes, I fully expect them to be playable and for a rather Draconic big-bad to emerge as the real villain at some point. :p
After checking them further, I figured out all their default skills.
Bruno:
Weapons – Thunder/Elthunder/Thoron/Valaskjálf
Assists – none
Specials – Rising Thunder/Growing Thunder
Skills – Warding Blow 1/2/3, Seal Res 1/2/3
Veronica:
Weapons – Wind/Elwind/Rexcalibur/Élivágar
Assists – none
Specials – Retribution/Reprisal
Skills – Renewal 1/2/3, Savage Blow 1/2/3
Oh wow, Bruno and Veronica will be playable soon? I’ll look forward to it.
So if Alfonse is a Lord and Sharena is a Princess, then what’s Heroes!Anna’s class?
The good news is I got Genny. The bad news is, like all healers, she’s weak! The worse news is I didn’t get Celica, just like I didn’t get Alm, but got Faye instead. What the hell?!
Genny has the highest Atk among healers, for what it’s worth, at 35 Atk 5* level 40. If she uses the Assault skill, she sits on 45 Atk, which is really quite high for a healer, and at least gives her the capability to fight, along with Wrathful Staff.
I just got a -DEF + SPD Boey….hmmm….well I’ll stick with it (after blowing through 60ish orbs I saved up). It’s not the best for his ATK skill but even -DEF he still deals an extra 23ish damage. Besides, I’m sticking with giving him defensive skills. If I decide to ignore that and give him moonbow I”m pretty much required to give him a new A skill slot since I’ll be moving away from a DEF build, and I currently don’t have the time to farm that much SP to completely redo his skillset. I think he’s the magic user with the second highest DEF, with M. Robin taking first.
Watch it be cut from the eng version or be made as some rare drop.
Of course it’ll be cut from the eng version. Japan 7-Elevens are a lot more….important? (not exactly the best word but their small snack/convenience stores are a lot better and offer more over there) that they actually do stuff like this. Hell in past when stuff like Dominos does colabs with Code Geass and Attack on Titan, we don’t get any of that kind of stuff over here because just in general their restaurants/stores/small businesses offer more than the ones in NA.
Also anime isn’t as “big” in the US.
Yup just like how the 711 metal drags were cut from NA puzzle and dragons
I guess it could be free DLC.
Can confirm that it is likely cut. The US version doesn’t have the “Receive Data” option under Communication Settings (called Connect Settings here).
Okay then. Maybe as I said sometime somewhere that it could be DLC, which seems like a good idea to me.
I saw this promotion coming a mile away because of the weapons/equipment pages, but it puzzled me because I’ve seen more Family Marts (7/11 “equivalent” for those that don’t know) when I went there last summer.
Considering both Barsts I’ve gotten are -Atk, I appreciate finally getting one like this as he’s guaranteed to be neutral, and therefore guaranteed to not suck completely.
Nice, I actually don’t have Barst.
Whew! This five-orbs quest saved me from another in-app purchase, because I wanted another 5-star character from Female Mages focus (with 3.50% chance). And I’ve got Sanaki. But now it appears that i must win all remaining Voting Gauntlet battles in order to use all flags. And I think there is no chance to reach top 50 this time. Previously (with Camilla), I reached 17th place. Currently I was with Julia, but she lost the 2nd Round. Now i’m with Tharja.
Well I did wanted something with a better reward so more 5 orb to spend in the Lloid battle banner tried the one of echoes and got two 4 stars Cecilias.
None of Tharja’s victories were landslides like anyone would’ve thought. Especially with the final round against Robin when Robin was in the lead for the first day.
True, but in the end, it was inevitable, of course Tharja wins, since she’s obviously more popular.
Almost gotta wonder why they’re even still setting that 10-billion vote goal. It gets destroyed every single time, and this time even more so thanks to the introduction of the comeback mechanic, which can triple score gains.
And GHB, looking at it, it doesn’t look too hard, and I am already formulating a strategy for it. Some obvious things I’m picking up, the bow cav reaches the farthest, so you can bait and dispose of him on enemy phase easily without getting the bait unit teamed up on by the rest of the enemy units. Bring a unit with a Raven or Wolf tome, and/or the Bowbreaker skill, and that cavalier should be easy to remove. Heck, a green tome with Raven + Triangle Adept can be positioned right above the mountain nearest to the player’s starting position, and destroy both the bow cav and the blue mage in one turn. Caeda or Palla can also easily and safely bait out the axe flier in the top left. If you have either of them, they’re probably worth bringing (and training if you haven’t done so already.)
If you have a good green tome-wielder, they can probably also easily destroy the lance cavalier next turn. And then Lloyd remains. Anyone (but preferably blues) with Swordbreaker should do, I think.
Another pointless predictable gauntlet……when a actual good character win it’ll be the day!
To be fair, the final round was pretty close. The comeback mechanic tripling score gain helped, of course, but it only kicked in like two or three times throughout the entire final round. This was easily the most even gauntlet we’ve had so far. Robin was actually in the lead in a few instances, too.
But at the same time, if we have to rely on a crutch like the x3 point system then I don’t really call it a real victory (if Robin won). Because in retrospect he would have gotten less votes, its just that the system literally helped him win while the majority of the time Tharja’s votes were from normal x1 votes. They REALLY need to rethink who they set up against each other because having to rely on the comeback mechanic to win is kind of…..eh.
Very true at least their getting rid of the glorified ones plus doing better balance with this and will hopefully get actually good characters if Lyn, Ike, Alm, Celica, Roy get in at least it’ll be better!
None of your pwecious FE4 or FE5 characters are ever going to win. Cry more Jugdral fanboy.
Loser idiot……..
Wow your so stupid words can’t comprehend example of cancer…..
Just block that idiot not worth the text….
Grow up, you don’t have to be an ass.
Calling people fanboys because they like something you don’t, the picture of maturity you are.
Do us all a favor and go get neutered, don’t pollute the gene pool.
Tharja’s a GREAT character. Not a good PERSON, but she was well-rounded. Still, I think it’s stupid that they keep using characters from the top of the list in these gauntlets.
Tits and Ass beat out character once again. Tharja and Camilla should join a club.
The “We’re only this popular because otakus beat their meat to us” club.
Soooo, its pass and threaten ATK for Llyod? Artwork asides (because there’s already a huge discussion about how they should have gotten a different artist for him….which I agree. Freaking crack-head), his skills needs to be reworked.
Threaten ATK is pretty okay honestly, but yeah Pass is a joke
WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON?! I can’t beat Lunatic Chapter 11-5 because of that GODDAMN A.I.! I watched one of the videos on how to beat that God forsaken stage, but…IT’S NOT WORKING FOR ME!! I HATE IT WHEN THOSE ENEMIES OUTSMART ME, I HATE THAT CRAP!!!
After Lloyd, who will be next? Currently, there are only three characters left – Camus, Bruno and Veronica.
Since Bruno and Veronica are important characters in the story, I don’t think they’ll ever have actual Grand Hero Battles. So yeah, either Camus, or they’ll announce a new line-up of GHB’s.
Maybe not in the near future, but I think they will eventually be playable. Their sound effects hinting this possibillity are already present in the game’s code.
After Lloyd, I think Camus will be next, but I’m also expecting another chance for Narcian and Michalis.
Oh, I do not doubt they’ll eventually become playable units, I’m sure of it. But I don’t think they’ll become available through a Grand Hero Battle, unless they turn a story chapter into a GHB. I’m convinced these characters will be unlocked specifically through story progress.
And according to dataminers, Narcian’s gonna make a return next, so get ready for that.
Pretty sure it’s either Camus BUT they are doing to reruns. We’ll be getting Narcian in again sooner or later.
Camus? Probably. But Bruno and Veronica? Nope, Nintendo is saving those two for the Endgame Chapter, guaranteed.
Well in the last screenshot to the Ursula great battle Kagero was on and she were a unit in the banner so either Hawkeye or Florina or boths are a helper unit. it make sense not saying will be.
Sad that disgusting thing won. But the 5 orbs everyday is nice.
It’s not every day, it’s one-time.
It isn’t? I read it was through 5/18 – 6/11
Just logged in again, it is a one time. Thanks for telling me.
Pfft, you’re just mad and salty because Tharja is obviously more popular in this Voting Gauntlet, kid.
Says the guy who throws a fit in the comment section of almost every Heroes-related news item here…
This coming from a noob who always ends up getting weak heroes, like that old coot Wrys.
I thought that was you. I remember you complaining how you could never get the good heroes. Several times over.
You thought wrong, Wrys lover. Now I have more better heroes than you can possibly imagine, kid.
Can’t we learn to love one another? :’) Mom… Dad… you are breaking this family apart :'(
Shut up, Fallen Crow, mommy and daddy are talking, and Laggalot is the mommy. LMAO What a noob.
1v1 me on fates heroes betty
Joke’s on you, I don’t own Fire Emblem Fates, and you can never find me in Fire Emblem Heroes. So that means I win, childish troll. Better luck next time, if there’s going to be a next time. Ha ha ha.
What is your friend code…. i need more friends lol
It’s the “Go find your own friends, childish troll” code. Ha ha, get rekt.
I’d love to, but sometimes I need to express my annoyance at the endless negativity coming from some people.
Not at all, it just sucks to see fans want a slut more than an actual character.
That sounds like you being mad and salty to me, when will you ever learn that the most popular character, like Tharja, always wins? Still, I gotta admit, Male Robin came closer than any character ever has, even with his 3 times bonus.
I honestly lost all hope for a change and I no longer care. I obviously was voting for Robin
And look what happened? In the end, Tharja has triumphed, she beat Robin fair and square, and I voted for Tharja, of course. Tsk tsk tsk, you should’ve stayed on the winning team, kid. Better luck next time, if there will be a next time.
I was never a big fan of Tharja, so I just went for Merric.
Too bad Merric lost in the first round, that’s what you get for being in a losing team. Ha, what a noob you are.
Not at all, I have a personal attachment to him
Ha, gayyyyyy! That’s also why you lose so easily. Popularity always wins, just like Tharja, loser. Ha!
Not at all, he was the only mage I used in 11 and he did the best damn job at killing Gharnef.
Wow, is “not at all” your catchphrase? Talk about “lame” and “retarded”. Also, I don’t believe you even own Fire Emblem 11, because there’s no such thing. Your precious Merric deserves to lose, so give up, sore loser, move on. Are you triggered yet, crybaby troll? You must be.
Awesome love these guys I better see more of them in future which based on their info/card classes very likely glad they have some convos sad there’s no Emma-Shade maybe next time!
Yeah these 4 cipher characters are so interesting glad their not like the Amiibo units that can’t support and felt THERE.
I can’t wait for them, and hope they come to Heroes next!!
Lloyd, huh? Well, guess we’ll have to see how hard he is when we’ll play (and suffer) on Lunatic mode.
Well this is one DLC I’m getting. Considering I’m just picking around with other DLC’s ( most likely just opting out the grinding DLCs). This is the type of Sh*t I like. Like BladeLord said, it feels good to have DLC characters actually have a purpose instead of being shoehorned in there (same can be said towards the Capture mechanic in Fates along with the character cards in Fates and Awakening)
I think you got Binding Blade mixed up with Blazing Sword since on where he appears younger since Blazing Sword is set 20 years before Binding Blade. Unless time travel is implied that I am not aware of.
Am I the only one who thinks Lando looks like an older Levin?
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8bc974f630203c85e15050fc60a4007e586a91d01225b4f9287040c59238a64a.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6057fd9a18141d2d5c0fd15923513351962069928ea0d47fd1dfbf52cc34072b.png ez stuff
Turns out this GHB is a little trickier than I thought. Had to give Nino the skills Gronnraven with Triangle Adept just to have her not die to the bow cavalier while baiting. Once I did, I managed rather alright, but I did initially take a few tries at Lunatic.
I can totally see Hector cheesing this map effortlessly, but I don’t have him…
yea Hector does cheese it and a Swordbreaker Nowi did the rest
I used Hector. On Lunatic, careful, because the cavalier has Lunge, which is bad news for us.
Where’s his beard? Lloyd’s design looks bad imo…
Mad dog is a safe bet with how much Lloid talk about him kinda of a leek/trap.
Now can I summon Hinoka game
Went to try this out earlier, and the first thing I thought of when I saw Lloyd’s art was, “He looks like Angry Rick Astley.” Can only imagine what his one-liners would sound like… ^_^;;
Let’s be real, if this game fails IS’s expectations we will get fates 2. This series doesn’t need that, so yeah let’s just buy the game 15 times.
I’m not buying a shit game just so IS doesn’t make “Fates 2.”
You haven’t even played the full release yet. So you can’t know it’s good or bad. Even though Gaiden has a lot of unique things to it’s gameplay, so does well, every single other FE ever. So if you like FE and the core gameplay, you will undoubtedly like Echoes.
Unless they played the iso or jp version just saying
How do you know what I’ve played? I’ve completed the game two times.
Echoes shit? That’s a great joke.
I hear you, this game absolutely needs to sell.
Let’s hope the DLC thing doesn’t affect the sales.
It probably did, people are fickle beasts.
Not necessarily, if IntSys wasn’t confident in the decision to go back to classic FE then they wouldn’t have chosen GAIDEN of all things to remake. It should have been like their last choice but it was their first (technically their third but whatever). Something tells me this game will do well.
We’ll see in a week but it’ll still place 3rd to Awakening and Fates.
You can’t forget that Awakening and Fates had hype buildup and Fates had multiple versions.
It did do well, and yeah now that’s it is out, it’s so damn great and I’m loving it.
Bah, this Grand Hero Battle wasn’t that hard. I beat Lloyd in Lunatic mode with my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Sharena, my 4-Star Female Robin, and my 4-Star Palla.
Got them both. Who will be next, not counting Narcian and Michalis reruns? Let’s guess:
February – Narcian and Female Robin
March – Ursula and Michalis
April – Navarre and Zephiel
May – Xander and Lloyd
June – possibly Camus and maybe someone from Gaiden/Echoes?
I thought it came out tomorrow????!!
And thus we wait a week to see how this performs as first weeks always makes impressions in games but I doubt it’ll be high like the other 2 games.
Just got mine! Wish me luck!! ^_^
Good luck. May your Lukas be 80% as tanky as the one in Heroes (Relative to the two games stat caps)
Jugdral remakes when
Oh the positive energy flowing through the comments like usual~
Hey um… so anyone who is already playing this game, is there any reason why the VERY FIRST first cutscene when you pop in the game shows Alm impaling Celica? It seems like a really spoilery scene. Is it, you know, not as spoilery as I think? Is there a reason why they showed that? Someone enlighten me.
Or am I the only one who decided to go into this game blind and everyone already knew that was going to happen?
I don’t want to spoil it bro, but its there to F with ur head, Its like watching a rely big scene and they live the last 30 secs out which MAYBE might change the hole thing. trying to not spoil it, just play the game and it will all game sense in the end.
Okay. Thank you.
Come to think of it, the same thing happened in Awakening with Chrom and the player character. Only I didn’t care as much, hah.
Has anyone ever tried a team with the suggested banner heroes to complete the grand hero battles?
I’m curious to know if they actually do well, or if IS is just spewing bullshit and throwing random characters together.
Lloyd, what happened to you?
Great game so far i’m quite enjoying it.
This game needs to sell for the sake of bring the series back on track again.
Nothings wrong with the series track just a better story.
Agreed
I’d say the entire presentation, that’s artstyle and narrative, needs to not be terrible again.
I’d agree with this. The relative direction wasn’t “bad,” the story itself just needed some work and I didn’t mind the art style one bit lol. If they ever do bring back the MU I suppose that would need some work to.
I was thinking… maybe the Cipher characters appear in Fire Emblem Heroes someday…
Considering that we’re getting them for Echoes, it seems likely. My theory is that they’re using Echoes to see how many of the overseas players are interested in them, then they’ll move them to Heroes, possibly in conjunction with their release in-game on June 22, and then hopefully they’ll finally announce internationalization of the TCG.
Yippie, those same old powerful heroes that I can never summon. -_-
Did you actually never summoned a Hinata?
Why bother summoning that weak hero Hinata? Useless.
Fury’s a great inheritance skill, though.
He can be a pretty great tank with the right build, too.
There is nothing great about that worthless Fury skill, because he can take damage after battle, leaving him wide open for the enemies’ lance and blue tome attacks, that’s what makes Hinata weak.
Hey man there Is not point in make a account in any site if you don’t read the fully article.
Speak proper English, kid, you’re babbling nonsense.
Just check who you can summon allright? Azura isnt alone in that banner.
Oh, I might summon Azura, if I have any more Orbs.
Not for him, for inheritance.
For example, putting it on Celica puts her recoil damage from her first attack at 11, which puts her into Desperation range.
So her first attack is a supremely boosted Ragnarok/Fury combo of +8 to Attack and Speed, and then afterwards she reverts into a Brave attacker while still retaining the Fury boosts.
If the recoil is a huge worry for you, you’re not using it properly.
Uh not Hinata?!
I thought you already had great heroes beyond what I could ever imagine… I guess these are not among them, then…
I don’t see you having those powerful heroes either, kid.
Because I haven’t shown you.
Having Hinata is kind of useless since people majority of the time just use him to give his Fury 3 to someone else, but that is obtainable at 4star. Hell, people usually just upgrade the 3 star to 4 star because using 2000 Feathers is easier than trying to summon a 4 star of him. But what is concerning is that they have another banner, but with no way to actually get orbs to use on it.
This game is easily one of the top in the series for me. They held nothing back. The changes in narrative, the voice acting, the art-style, character development, it was all done really well. I just hope they put this much effort into the newer Fe games. Remakes are fun but I would much rather have a fresh experience that is just as fun.
Doma is in Alm’s and Celica’s combined card.
Hunh.
That’s actually pretty cool.
Nothing too difficult. With all of these battles + their quests cleared, that’s a free 12 orbs. Can’t complain. I need 4 more to hit 20, and hopefully they will provide that many before Celica’s banner ends. If not, I’ll just have to do an incomplete round of summoning. I already went 3 full rounds of crappy summons on this one, so surely, my persistence has to pay off sooner or later… right?
Next banner? there has been datamined files which suggest a bride/groom banner in June.. The datamine files should available on the Fire Emblem Heroes Reddit.
I’m aware of that particular hint, but that doesn’t really tell us ‘who’ the characters in question are. I always find it exciting who will be the latest addition to the Heroes cast.
Hold up, a part of the DLC is support conversations? I seriously cannot appropriately express my disdain for this. But then, I think this game’s DLC is nonsense to begin with…
Its not like the festival dlc from previous 3ds FE games didn’t have extra convosations…
they just upgraded them to supports, especially since we don’t have marrige or class changing via friend seal.
I’m aware of those conversations in other games, but that doesn’t change anything.
I also don’t see what class changing has to do with supports…?
It has nothing to do with class changing, because you get the supports from the Deliverance prologue maps.
Yes, that’s my point. TheBraveGallade brought up class changing and I was hoping they’d tell me why, when I was just talking about supports here.
Really? Of all the new abilities they could give Alm in a new class, it’s just to increase bow range while Celica gets Aura? Someone got the short end of the stick there.
extra range is always nice…
………
Quick question: they said there will only be 5 waves right?
Yep! Pack 4 is the story DLC, and Pack 5 is the Cipher character DLC. Considering the Season Pass only covers these packs, it’s unlikely they’ll be adding more in the future.
Narcian, the bane of my existence! I couldn’t get him on Hard mode of my very first Grand Hero Battle! And now, I will finally have my revenge! This time, he is mine!
Narcian is annoying. Those damn horses are a pain in the arse.
I can’t tell who the other figure is. My first guess was Lucina and this is the special costume variants for the Choose your Hero Winners and Runner ups. But i don’t see any indicators.
Side note, is Lyn wielding a lollipop?
I was just about to post the same thing actually so does that mean Ike and Roy will be “grooms”?
I was way off, that’s Charlotte from fates.
The left girl is likely Lyn and the right is probably Lucina or someone else.
And by “someone else” you mean “Eirika”?
Maybe
I guess we were both wrong. It was Charlotte all along. (Hey, that kind of rhymed).
Turns out it’s Charlotte. Ready to spoon everybody.
Lyn seems like a definite for the one on the left, the one on the right I think is either Camilla, Lucina, or Eirika, of which I’m leaning towards Eirika, as Lucina and Camilla already have added in artwork and Eirika did have a bride artwork in awakening.
Right girl is probably Cordelia. Left is Lyn.
I almost thought it was Cordelia since her hair is very long but we will see. That also could just be a part of the dress it’s hard to tell with a sillouette.
Finally, I have beaten all five trials on Normal and Hard! Boy, that sure was tough, but I finally completed the quests! Well played, Kozaki Yusuke, well played!
I did heard the English DLC trailer called those 4th tier DLC classes as “Ultimate Classes”.
In the actual DLC altars, and npc refers to them as overclasses.
At last, my revenge against Narcian is finally complete! I have claimed my victory!
NEED that berkut card <3
And now to silently wait for Kliff's …
Here’s the reveal video for the new Bride Banner.
Caeda, Charlotte, Cordelia, and Lyn.
May I also note that this is the best banner ever.
Looks like its Lyn, Charlotte, Cordelia and Caeda even though I hate the pandering this feels like at least it makes sense for these characters except Lyn plus its an actual class I’ll likely pass this one probably.
Nice. Hmmmmm probably be going for Lyn and maybe Cordelia as a secondary would like Charlotte since she’s now being added but gotta keep it reasonable for my wallet’s sake XD. However this is probably like the Easter summons and you will not be able to get these specific units after the banner is over.
Ehh… I think I’ll pass…
Charlotte’s skill looks pretty cool. Gonna see if I can pick her up. And Cordelia with the double rally looks pretty fucking insane.
Lyn’s continues the motion set by Genny on trying to get healers more relevant in the meta. Along with the sweep skills negating counterattacks. It’ll be interesting to see if the meta does indeed start to shift towards more buff/debuffing gambits.
Got 60 orbs sitting around, so I’m gonna throw the dice a few times and see what bites. It’s not like I’m getting an actual bride anytime soon.
Eh….I’ll probably pass this….
Really?
Charlotte’s the Money Maiden?
Not “Literally running the DLC shop and figuratively selling herself for money” Anna?
I think it will probably be a while before they give us another Anna to be honest.
Got all Spring ones and I’m going to the Brides too! Gotta catch’em all!
It’ll cost you lots of money.
Or a good stockpile of orbs saved up and a ton of luck. It happens…
Even you can’t possibly have better luck, kid.
Oh I’m not pretending I have incredible luck, I was just speaking hypothetically. My quantity of 5-star units is relatively low and the rate at which I get the focus units of a particular banner even more so. But despite that, I have gotten some pretty killer units over time. Can’t complain all too much.
My quantity of 5-star units is much higher. Also, I don’t have any 3-star units, because they have been either used for skill inheritance or upgraded to 4 stars.
You don’t have any 3* units? Really? Wow. So impressive. Truly. Never have I seen such a mighty e-penis. Clearly, his e-penis is bigger than yours, Laggalot. He has whipped it out and measured it for all of us to behold his magnificence. We should all just bow down and worship him, the almighty holder of the digital phallus.
Sorry, that’s one metaphor I didn’t need to read…
Dick measuring contests happen far more often than I care for. It’s sad.
Last time it cost me almost £160.
Lyn looks set to overtake Wrys as the best healer in the game.
why do I even bother with this game
Might as well make them official waifus by turning them into brides. And Charlotte doesn’t even get hinted before and is now gonna be released as a bride.
Hmm, four brides and no grooms…eh, I’m good with this. But then again, these limited editions of Bride Caeda, Bride Charlotte, Bride Cordelia, and Bride Lyn may be the ones I could never summon, due to this game hating my summoning skills!
Awesome, a banner i can totally skip. Keep thy eyes on the prize… sigurd sigurd sigurd… radiant dawn ike radiant dawn ike radiant dawn ike…
On one hand, I’m happy because this is a banner that I can feel confident that I’ll skip, like the art but considering there isn’t too much potential beyond inheritance bait it’s not worth. On the other hand though, I hate holding onto orbs because I become more likely to waste it on something stupid. (Micaiah I need you now. T.T)
they also have a hidden character 😀 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9eb9ec0900fbc7670749f71e6e83d7a20a44aedb2b9a43c58cddd8c6a4fbc3a3.jpg
It did not want to give me Lyn I got 4 Cordelias, a Charlotte, a Jakob, Lionheart’s sister (forget her name) and a Caeda before I got a Lyn -_-
Lachesis is her name ^.^
So, turns out this Cordelia is pretty much the best Archer in the game, and the other three are quite solid in their own right as well. This banner is kinda nutty.
Oh finally! Now we can learn more about Warriors. About time.
Apparently they are mostly gonna be focussing on shadow dragon, awakening and fates. This won’t be a gathering of the protagonists from across the series. That is kinda what they did with Hyrule Warriors, but still 🙁
Waiting for more news in e3 would be the smarter course of action.
so are we going Chinese with these new lords as the boy(Shion i’s assuming they’ll keep this name) his hair reminds me of Sun wu Kon from smite and Lian is a Chinese name.
Awesome I knew it! plus I expected it was gonna be Original, Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates characters but there’s obviously gonna be DLC for the others like ie SoV for Alm and Celica, Tellius Ike and Micaiah, etc.
I doubt that, for now at least. They shouldn’t be DLC, they should be in the damn game. Of course, we have to pander to the filthy fucking scrubs though
Lots of DLC is par for the course for Musou games. I would be shocked if there wasn’t DLC.
There will be, which is good but Lords should be in the game, not just DLC
What bothers me is the fact that there are main lords who don’t mainly use swords, Hector and Ephraim exist.
It’s like the people working at IntSys don’t even know their own games anymore.
Too bad that’s gonna be the case
Cordelia looks like she’s about to cry
*Marth is voiced by Hikaru Midorikawa. Chrom is voiced by Tomokazu Sugita.
*There are two more original characters: Darios (voiced by Takuya Satou) and Yuana (voiced by Yuka Nagayoshi).
*Development is currently 70 percent complete.
*The project was in planning before Famitsu’s collaboration Musou title survey.
*The first thing that was decided was “to do a Musou game that Fire Emblem fans would enjoy.”
*The weapon triangle, high strategy elements, and classes that are mainstay in the Fire Emblem series are in.
*The reason all the protagonists from the Fire Emblem games are not being included is because if they did that, everyone would be using a sword.
*You can switch characters while playing, so you’ll be able to control various weapons and classes of characters.
*The number of playable characters is more than the first entry of any other Musou series collaboration.
*Archers and magic users will be playable.
*While Koei Tecmo can’t share details on the world yet, there is a “Shield of Fire” in this world that has tuned up from beyond space and time.
*Units that ride a horse, such as the Cavalier, always fight on horse. They’re designed to have high mobility.
*“Bond Conversations” are being prepared as support conversations. There is a huge amount of text, including serious conversations and goofy conversations.
There is one line that is BS in there. The whole everyone would use a sword. I mean let’s see, Robin uses Magic and a swosh, Sigurd can lance, Michy is a mage, Hector is Axe Jesus, Liliana is Magic Hector, and we can’t forget the true hero of FE 11, Ceada can hit people with the most broken lance in the series.
True but they went the same way with Hyrule warriors (which only included characters from OoT, TP en SS) so I can see why they would do that this time as well. Don’t like it, but hey what can you do.
I really liked almost everyone in HW’s line up. I don’t care what characters are in, as long as they aren’t all from Fates, which has the worst line up of characters ever.
Amen to that
Not to mention the fact that they could have easily made one of their three OCs a different class other than sword user, hell they could have one use Axes and one use Lances to represent the weapon triangle but NOPE. Instead they make every revealed character so far a sword user and and bullshit their way out of representing the other games with “hurrr too manny sowrd userss”.
Maybe they can switch weapons?
FE Warrior’s theme appear to be Roman/Greek mythology as FE Heroes is Norse mythology. It seems IS is interested in other medieval mythologies aside from European/Japanese.
FE4-5 had Nordic themes as well.
Good hope FE16 will follow suit.
I’m a bit partial to Marth’s New Mystery design over his Shadow Dragon one, but I imagine like with Hyrule Warriors, we’re going to get alternative costumes and recolors to go along with these characters.
That should be a thing, which let’s hope it will. Now I want to see a Red haired Marth…oh wai-
…
*slow claps*
And here I thought nobody remembered Eliwood.
Eliwood would be riding his horse to battle anyway.
I like Eliwood, he is pretty great.
For me, I’m the opposite… I hated his Shadow Dragon design but I like this one.
Original PANT-LESS Marth.
40 orbs, and I got myself a +ATK -RES Bridal Caeda, pretty satisfied…time to start saving for the next major banner.
Yay, more moneygrabbing!
Not per se, if the amount of content in the game is comparable to Hyrule warriors then we’re good. That game had a lot of content up front and just added a ridiculous amount of extra content later via DLC.
I’m mostly worried about the potential exclusion of non-Akaneia/Ylisse/Fates characters, which may entail that those will indeed only be available via DLC. Honestly, it’s a great opportunity for them and I can’t blame them for going that route, but it still sucks.
You’re completely right and I think those worries are justified as I fear that that will mostly be the case. I’m just hoping for a sizable roster and good combat. I will probably just buy all the dlc anyway as this is kind off my dream game.
Well, it will supposedly have some sort of strategic combat, so hopefully we’re good on that front at least. I’ll likely buy a Switch along with this game when it’s released, since I’ll need to get one eventually anyway.
I can’t see why they wouldn’t include all the FE Amiibo characters in the vanilla game like Hyrule Warriors did to get people to both buy more of said Amiibo(which they would conveniently suddenly do another run of so as to sell more) and continue to jack up the prices of Marth online. In other words, I’d expect Ike, Roy, Alm, and Celica for now but keep my fingers crossed for (insert your personal hoped-for – I’m guessing Leif for you, Pebbs) and wait for news. I’m worried about DLC-Locking too, but if they do that there’s not much we can do about it. Maybe it’ll be like HW did – the Switch version will come out first with slightly less storyline, and the N3DS will be a little more expensive to start out but have a bit more content not locked behind a paywall(plus maybe an exclusive counterpart for Marth like how Linkle was for…wait a second…).
Yea, I won’t rule anything out yet, and I can definitely see the characters that have an amiibo being in the base game if you actually own the amiibo. But that alone would be kinda shitty since there’s so many other great characters throughout the series to pick from – and they end up going with the mainstay FE1 characters + the no-personality trash from FE13/14. Honestly I can’t help feeling a bit disappointed if that ends up being the case, since I feel that musou games have the potential to bring fun and obscure characters to the table (how sick wouldn’t it be to slaughter mobs with gonzales..).
It’s still up for grabs though, so we’ll see how it’ll turn out.
Yeah, my worry is they’ll leave out everyone from any Fire Emblem that wasn’t internationally sold besides Roy who would only be in because SSB, and shaft us on a lot of good characters. Fingers crossed for Leif for you!
Thanks man, hopefully he won’t be shunned in favor of other sword users. In fact, since Leif was originally planned to be Marth’s clone instead of Roy in Melee, he’s entitled to a spot in this game instead… Right?
Eh, as a dedicated RoyBoy I’m required to say no, he’s not, but between you and me, why not?
*insert joke about how the new characters are Alfonse and Sharena 2.0*
This time they are super saiyans, so that’s a definite plus.
Got 12 orbs, used 60, so far no luck except 4-star Titania. I’ll get more from June quests and try to get at least one Bride for free. After that, money time!
Yay, waifu emblem the waifu-ning featuring Waifu Waifu Waifu with a Musou mini-game! Featuring a DBZ crossover!!! the Video Game adaptaion
I don’t believe it, not one single bride I have summoned, just the same old weak heroes! And to add insult to injury, I ended up getting that certain weak old man on my fifth try on this Banner! This game trolled me! WHAT THE F*CK?!
This game is gonna be fully voice acted and I’m aware that Marth speaks english in Heroes but hearing him speak what I assume will be very long sentences in English is gonna fuck me up LOL, but I’m excited
Looks like Owain and Noire’s kids… and the kingdom could be Iris.
So these new characters, i’m not feeling their designs. I really don’t like them.
Inclusion of Marth surprises exactly nobody.
And then their BS excuse. If you haven’t read it yet, go do so. It’s just such a stupid excuse and full of hypocrisy.
All interest dead.
You know funny thing is when this was first revealed we all knew it was going to be the Marth, Chrom and Corrin show with maybe some extras.
Looks like we were right.
Seeing the cleaner screenshots the 2 twin Lords, Yuana and Darios it looks beautiful in game plus the art looks better now!
I actually really like Lian’s design, apparently that’s an odd opinion though haha.
Definitely not she’s gorgeous same for their mother like damn!
I was tempted to call this a ‘mindless FE for when you want to play FE but don’t want to strategize’, but then I remembered Awakening already earned itself that particular honor. Besides, that would be an insult to this unproven game, so I’ll hold off judging it fully until we know more about the gameplay.
Calling Warriors mindless is a disservice to anyone who actually plays them. Just an fyi.
It can be fairly mindless fun, and that can be a good reason to play it, but the stigma that you can just mash buttons to victory – at least if Hyrule Warriors was any indication – isn’t true. If you just keep smashing all the mooks in front of you without any further care in the world… you’re probably going to lose. The game is going to constantly throw objectives at you – take this position, defend this one, rescue this ally, stop these special enemies from reaching this spot – and though most of them aren’t vital to victory, neglecting them or failing them will often swing a battle against you very quickly.
I haven’t played any of them for more than 30 minutes so I can’t comment on the difficulty. But going from a standard FE experience, this is fundamentally different and seems to be something you can play if you’re terrible at the main series.
There are difficulty settings. I don’t find Warriors games to be particularly rewarding on higher difficulty, so I do often play them on Easy for a bit of mindless hack-n-slash fun. But Hyrule Warriors has some challenges in Adventure Mode that have made me give up on completing it. I could probably do it, but like I said, it’s not that rewarding, especially when it doesn’t come down to tactical decisions like FE, but rather some arbitrary thing like lag because the screen has too many mooks moving at once.
I personally don’t take offense at the games being called mindless, but it’s also not 100% true for the series, depending on what you play it for. That said, ever since I played Shadow Dragon on the DS, I’ve thought FE would make a great Warriors crossover. I am mega-hyped for this game. Not all of my favorite characters will make it in, but that’s fine.
“Most of the playable characters are from Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates.”
It’s setting up to let me down as much as TMS#FE did, character-wise. Hector, Ephraim, and Ike please!
This révélation of mostly fe 1-13-14 look a bit scary for me. How about celicia, lyn, hector and is helicopter, Ephraim, or even lief and is Light brand. All of them have unique style or weapon and thinking that they could be replace by minor caractère of the Last fire emblem makes me à little bit sad.
DLC sadly
I’d love to see the beasts be added in as unique characters, like Nowi, Keaton, and Kaden!
I still think the ‘too many swords’ is a stupid argument, especially right after introducing 3 whole new SWORD-wielding characters… and heck, every character confirmed thus far wields a sword. Not exactly making themselves believable here. Only maintaining some hope for the word “most”, but the skeptic in me says that’s just to not exclude the new characters here and/or Anna, who I think is guaranteed to show up somehow.
Confirmation that we’ll have mounted units, pegasi and wyverns is also cool.
And with all that in mind, I think I can make a rather educated guess at most of the roster based off character relevance (in their respective games) and popularity. From Shadow Dragon, putting aside Marth who’s already confirmed, I think Caeda is pretty much inevitable, I also expect Navarre, Merric and Minerva and Gharnef (villain). Other contenders I see would include Cain and Abel, the three Whitewings, Tiki, Michalis and Camus. Maybe Medeus.
From Awakening, Robin’s gonna show up, no doubt. I also rather expect Sumia, Donnel, Lon’qu, Cordelia, Tharja, and the trio that made it into Fates. I would also say Sully, Stahl and Tiki are contenders, but might compete with their Shadow Dragon counterparts. Maybe Panne, too, for an extra shapeshifter. Gangrel, Aversa, Walhart and Validar are all plausible villains, too. …Sorry, Grima’s too big…
For Fates, I am expecting to see Corrin, Ryoma and Xander pop up, since we saw their swords in the teaser. Camilla and Takumi are also near-inevitable due to sheer popularity, and Azura is also pretty much a no-brainer, and I suppose Garon for a villain. And again, if there are staves, Sakura and Elise stand a chance. They might also throw in Kaden/Keaton for variety through shapeshifters (would personally love to see Laguz, but I’m not getting my hopes up), and maybe the Awakening trio (instead of their Awakening counterparts).
A Mage with a Wolf Tome can be very useful in this Grand Hero Battle.
So, Robin F. Good thing I had trained her up to 4 star level 40 before the next GHB came around (I got her the first time, and she was 4/40 by the end of it).
Good. I have Ursula on my team, but I am a little afraid of the axe users.
so we will have mages? when they announce the game, i thought we can at last see Apocalypse Spell from FE6 in glorious HD.
ok, maybe that’s a bit much hope since we will only see mediocre spell from awakening.
as for archers.. we all know they include it because of Takumi
Now the real question will Anna be playable?
I think it should be WHICH Anna : P
I mean, she’s already playable in Awakening, Fates and Heroes, so it’s no longer a surprise to have her.
Hey, why not all of them separately, since they’re all different Annas? XD
But in all seriousness, it would be nice to have multiple versions of Anna finally interact for a change, considering you never actually see more than one at a time – the closest you get is taking Anna to the Traveling Merchant’s shop in Awakening, and then she just seems kind of disappointed in her sister’s wares. Seeing multiple Annas together in battle would actually be really cool, plus it would finally be a character that multiple people could play at the same time, assuming FE Warriors will support that(I at least hope they do, unlikely though it might be).
Every Anna, all of them!
Does the twitter icon Anna wear a beret?
Camus? Easy, easy, easy. Hector should take care of him and maybe even endure his green guys. Also, a red, blue and healer units should do the rest.
Speaking of quests, where are Light’s Blessings??? This is second month in a row without this item as a reward.
Does anybody have a translation of the effect of his weapon?
Gradivus has built-in Distant Counter. It’s like Siegfried, Raijinto and Ragnell. But for the first time here, it’s on a lance.
Finally, after my second try, I finally got Caeda, a literal bride of Marth’s, all thanks to the June quests!
Damn Anna looks amazing and they said FE16 Switch is gonna be beautiful…..can’t wait!
Monsters, eh? Then we can conclude we won’t just be fighting human enemies. Fire Emblem has a decent pool of existing monsters to pull from, so there ought to be some variety, or so I’d hope. Having said that, I can’t help but expect it’ll mostly be the Faceless and Stoneborn from Fates and the Revenants and Entombed from Awakening, and not so much the Bonewalkers, Mogalls, Necrodragons, etc that we’ve seen with Sacred Stones and Gaiden and its recent remake. It’d be rather boring if they did that, but we already know there’s a strong bias towards Awakening and Fates here (and Shadow Dragon too, but there were no monsters in that game, unless you count manaketes).
Oh, and these twins… I noticed there was mention of their mother, the queen? I am very curious if she’s going to follow a certain trend…
You mean of dying? I sure hope not… I would not be surprised in the least however.
I really wish they stop that trend….
I love the new art for Chrom and Marth… you can (finally) see the family resemblance.
Anyone else think Shion and Lian look like Owain and Noire’s kids? Oh well, most of my other inter-game connection theories have fallen through (Garon being a crazy old Walhart, Alm being Walhart’s great-grandpappy, Priam and Chrom being distant cousins (I’m holding on to that one), Zelgius being the Black Knight, etc.), so I don’t expect this one to last…
I see Ophelia way more than Noire
But is Anna a playable character?
We get to see more Fernand 😀
Hey, wait a minute, the original versions of Caeda, Lyn, and Cordelia are in this game, but not the original version of Charlotte? You mean, Charlotte is a newcomer, in her Bride version, for a limited time?! …Is anyone here? Answer me!
We got Bunny Xander before actual Xander.
Anyways, in time, we’ll eventually have all the characters in the game- but we are talking about a series that spans almost 30 years with 16 games (13 if you discount remakes).
FYI, actual Xander first appeared in this game as an enemy, so that doesn’t count, kid.
I meant available as a unit, which should have been obvious “kid”.
Oh great, yet another difficult Grand Hero Battle that I can never win very easily! It’s gonna take lots and lots of tries to beat that Camus guy and his army of powerful horse riders! …F***!
I’m really happy for this pack of maps. Learned so much about the characters.
Really gives one new insight on Fernand and how he became the man he was in the main story.
Monsters……you have the chance for an interesting conflict bewteen multiple factions who come to blows because they want to control the realm for their own reasons, giving us the chance for some actual gray morality in FE for once and instead we get monsters from another dimension.
The series really is being dumbed down, now I feel bad for the “Elitists” (since that’s the name everyone gives them).
“The series really is being dumbed down”
Well ….. it is a crossover. What story would you make with 5+ different timelines meeting in one and it makes a compelling and sensible story?
Or heck, let’s just leave it at it being a Mushu game, which tend to be pretty much dumbed down versions of the stories/history that their based on. Really we should assume the plot’s just going to be something super basic and maybe even a little campy.
Had less trouble than I expected to have against Camus. His map looks pretty intimidating, and there are two Ward Cavalry and two Goad Cavalry skills going around, and dealing with cavalry of course means 3-movement, which can be harder to defend against. But in execution, I didn’t find it as difficult as it looked. And Camus looks like a very useful unit, so I’m definitely training him up.
I have 20k feathers with Camus’s name written on them as soon as I train him up to Level 20! Been excited to add him to my Horse Emblem team for a while now. 😀
Now that is just adding salt in the wound, I don’t have any of those characters from this banner to defeat Camus! This sucks, I’m gonna have a hard time defeating him and his powerful army of horse riders!
Well, I once doubted myself again, but I finally beat and recruited Camus, with my 5-Star Camilla, my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Palla, and my 4-Star Subaki. And furthermore, is that Travis Willingham voice acting Camus? The Travis Willingham who voice acted Knuckles from the Sonic The Hedgehog series?!
I found useing 3 armors with the both goad armors (mine were Hector, Effie, and Wendy) and than a Calvery Blue (used Sully) for the Red mage.
I actually went full armor team with Hector, Sheena, Draug and Gwendolyn. Hector massacred everyone and survived and took out the red mage while everyone else was buffing him with their skills and reciprocal aid when needed.
Is that picture a mofo Jojo reference?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!
It’s the four of them doing Owain’s signature pose – you can see Owain in the top corner.
I realized after posting, but I was mostly doing a meme.
Find it interesting of one thing in development they mention (“un-Emblem-like” things were discussed) looks like I predicted that what they were going for with Awakening and how it ended up the way it is at least it was successful.
Apologies for my last comment, it was dumb.
Anyway check out Anna 😀
Beat it with a semi-Flier Emblem. Camilla, Shanna, Caeda, and Sanaki. Tried with Google Chrom and Cherche before, but their res and speed is so low that the Troubadour is able to fuck them right up.
Anyway, Xander and Camus look like they’ll be very solid units for my own not-actually-built yet Horse Emblem team. I just haven’t gotten much luck getting good horse units from summons.
So even they got that the editing on Tharja’s picture actually made it more suggestive. That’s hilarious! 😀
But wait a sec…Awakening already had a T-rating in the US. Are they trying to say it might have gotten a higher rating just because of that picture? Because if so, then the ratings people are loonies. Tharja’s outfit really doesn’t differ all that much from typical swimsuits.
Please release Sacred Stones cards. :'(
Sacred Stones has been confirmed for release in Series 11 this December. 🙂
You made my day better!
Well I got a nice roster of 40’s so hopefully ill be able to do this well enough but I hope that score is on the lower tiers because trying to get enough to get the 5 star masked Lucina, assumedly 30,000, would take quite a while if its just 250ish points a pop.
Time for healers to be useful
I think I have a decent variety of strong and capable units, so I think I can get stuff done. Sounds like it will also be valuable to have some capable healers as well, just for the sake of longevity. Either way, this starts in a few days, so better train what we can.
I WANT THAT LUCINA!!!!
Heh, no problem, I can beat Veronica and her powerful army in the Tempest Trials, and Masked Lucina will be mine!
please let there be a 4* lucina cause i know i won’t be able to get the 5*
The Notifications post has been updated to flat out state that a 4* version of Masked Lucina will also be available, so you should be good! I’ve updated the article to include that information as well. 🙂
thank you i’m so relieved!
Cool, we finally get Masked Lucina. It’s better than getting some crappy Jugdral character that no one cares about.
when is the last time we even got a Jugdral character?
Lachesis and Eldigan. Seliph and Julia
i dont think you understood my question. i know we got jugdral characters. but that was a while ago and we only have 4 of them. they werent even like Jugdral based banners. Seliph and Julia were randomly added with Eirika and Ephraim, and lachesis and eldigan were added for the siblings event. I would love to see more non 3ds crap games. 3 lucinas is more than enough and there is going to be one more for the voting contest thing in the future. I would like to see characters like Fury and Lewyn (idk what their english names are if these arent them, need to check out the feh website for that) as well as Ced. I would also like to see more PoR and/or RD characters. Where are Laguz? Where are the rest of the Greil Mercenaries? Where are Michaiah and Sothe? We got Sanaki during the siblings event (for whatever reason) and didnt even get her sister (big spoiler if you dont know). Where are Thracia characters? We are missing so much from the better FE games
i forgot we have Reinhardt and Olwen. Again thats not enough representation for these good games.
I don’t care. I was just listing the 4 we had gotten in case you or someone else didn’t know. I would love it we got more characters from older games. No need to bite my head off
sorry that long post wasnt really to you. the first part was, i didnt realize you were just listing my apologies. The rest of it was more of an explanation of why i thought Joseph’s post was crazy. I just kept it all together, sorry
Exactly. Old fans barely get scraps. We don’t have Sigurd, Black Knight or a single Laguz.
And new fans get their waifus, A THIRD LUCINA, and STILL have the gall to talk crap on old school characters other people like.
Talk about spoiled.
Some people can never be satisfied.
Some people can’t be accounted for taste it seems. Crappy Judral character… sheesh. I’m sure plenty of people wanted to play as Eldigan cause you really DIDN’T get to in the original game.
Just another 3DS Elitist, and I mean that in the “My characters are better than yours” sense.
He doesn’t deserve the attention.
Thanks Hiei, also the fact that ”3DS Elitist” is a thing these days with the popularity of NEW fire emblem… Dang this fanbase is just gonna self destruct even faster than Sonic the Hedgehog or Kingdom Hearts.
Kinda regret getting into the series all those years back at this point. And I do find things to enjoy on new fire emblem. It’s just… eugh, the waifu thing is really… out of control at this point.
I’m just indifferent to it at this point, I’m just glad Echoes showed us that IntSys can find writers that don’t make quirk-centric and shallow. Besides you were technically playing matchmaker in FE4 too, just for different reasons.
And yeah the fandom is pretty toxic these days.
Yeah. As for FE4, I don’t mind the matchmaking. It just kinda has to make sense in the narrative. 2 generations spanning many years is the only way it could work.
Awakening… somewhat made it work but in the end just made it convoluted and silly. Geneology was executed perfectly.
Fates just made every parent look like a negligent douchebag that is willing to put their kid on the line. Not to mention the whole dimensional nonsense that makes kids grow up fast… that was some dumb level of writing I expect in fanfiction.net. I know I lost a couple of brain cells from that.
Here’s to expect something everyone likes from the switch one. but…. judging from IntSys’ track record… It’s just gonna get worse. =(
I sure hope it doesn’t.
If they remake FE4 they’ll have to squeeze FE5 into it, they’ll have to tweak the story to work around that too.
Speaking of story, I’m hoping the localization doesn’t screw around with those too games too much IF they decide to remake them. You think the newbies can get toxic, just wait until you see what the vets start pulling if Nintendo decides to go treehouse on us again.
The worst part is treehouse use to be good.
And given the story I say Awakening did the time travel kid stuff well, even if it’s time travel logic was never thoroughly explained.
Yeah, who needs a character with zero representation to add diversity to the roster when we can have a THRID incarnation of an already known character right?
How’s the head injury?
Can you try a given trial more than once? I hope so, or else I and my friends are gonna have a really bad time.
While not outright stated, it’s certainly implied in the write-up in the Notifications Screen that battles can be played multiple times. Playing the easier difficulty modes will likely get you significantly fewer points than harder maps, but if you’re committed enough you can probably grab a good amount of points from those levels.
I wonder how developed a team has to be to succeed
So basically….getting up to a 5* “Marth” is going to be a grind. Oh boy….
You know I was thinking are the trails going to be the same every time? i.e. you can make teams around the maps per trail rather than try to balance it out and get destroyed by a Kagaro or something of the like?
Gonna be my first Falchion user, hope her stat is pretty decent :<
implying you’re gonna get her for sure
lmao
as long as there is stamina, should be a way, even if my point only 100 each run :’)
Well good thing I have like 80 stamina potions for this grind. Though I really only have one developed team so maybe I should grind up some units. I’m getting this Lucina even if it kills me.
One question: if my unit die, i cannot play with him in the event or entire game?
Only in Tempest Trials, you won’t use your dying unit in this mode ever again. But for the entire game? No, you still keep that unit forever, unless you send him or her home, inherit skills to another character, or merge allies.
Glad to hear that, thanks a lot!
Actually, it is still a little more forgiving than that. Going off the wording, a unit will be disabled if they fall, yes, but only until you either succeed or fail the challenge you have taken. The Tempest Trials are a series of maps, after all, that you need to clear consecutively.
So even if a unit falls in this mode, they are still not banished from it forever, just until your current run ends.
This is correct. If a unit falls they become immediately available again (for other Trials or for regular play) as soon as you complete the current Trial.
Really, it’s almost more like that series of back-to-back maps in Path of Radiance (or the current shrines/dungeons in Shadows of Valentia) than traditional permadeath.
Hey, did anyone here got the update already? Because I have, and obviously, Tempest Trials hasn’t begun yet. Also, I can name my own teams now.
I did, was glad I could organize better and the seen designation of the defensive team was also nice.
I like this a lot. All of it. Tempest Trials looks like a fun and interesting challenge, and potentially quite rewarding as well. I’m happy to see the numerous quality-of-life improvements as well. Looks like a great update!
So with Lucina being a prize, will actually have a vote gauntlet this month? No gonna lie if they are offering her in a gatcha don’t sound too easy do it without losing someone middle way the challenges.
I’m thinking there probably won’t be a gauntlet this month. I think this will be their special event for June.
That’s nice to know. thanks.
I have 28 5* and 75 4* LV40 characters ready for the battle! Also, 20 4* LV36-39.
Oh boy, I better be ready for this nightmare that is the Tempest Trials. I have a feeling that it’s going to be hell when I fight Veronica and her powerful army, on this mode with permadeath.
For anyone curious, the permadeath only applies while inside the string of Tempest trials. After completing all battles of one trial, the fallen allies do come back and can do another trial.
Masked Lucina only has her weapon skills shown when you look at her from the reward page, so I am curious on what else she might have. Also the quickened pulse skill, I’m super interested but while I’ve done ok, best being only two teams, still didn’t earn much over 600 points so gonna take me a while at the very least. And for anyone wondering because I didn’t see it covered anywhere when your first team you start with wipes out you get to select your next team from your roster rather than another of your preset teams. It even has a option were you can check on the map so you can better counter it.
she doesn’t have any skills. Like, at all. I got her 4* – no other skills there.
Oh interesting to say the least. I usually like to build around their skills but if that’s the case maybe I’ll actually make her a “best” version of her.
So far was able to clear the last hard one twice put since the unit I used dies middle way didnt get a good score so you kinda really need keep the unit of the bonus safe or just use on the last map if you are lucky enough.
But what if my favorite masked time traveler is Gerome?
There is an element of strategy in beating lunatic trials, but it still largely comes down to luck and having the right units. One run will decide to spam a bunch of armor slayers at you making the Hector you rely on so much harder to use, sometimes they’ll often throw enemies with those annoying “cannot counterattack” skills at you.
You also need to get lucky with the layout of Veronica’s map as it randomly chooses one of a handful of layouts. Specifically when it comes to the magic horse user and armored unit, the reason this is important is that you ideally want the mage you brought to one round them both immediately so you have time to position for Veronica and her remaining Paladin and Ninja/Thief.
So if your not running a healer, which can be understandable, Renewal and Breath of Life are lifesavers between my Hector with renewal 3 and Bridal Cordelia with renewal 2 and breath of life 2 I’m now consistently getting to map 7 without any deaths. Won’t say my speed rank is great but I rather have one subpar stat than both speed and survival being bad.
Wow, I really HATE Veronica in Tempest Mode! Her Fury skill is so annoying, not to mention her ability to heal every single turn! They get to easily beat this mode with their Hectors and Azuras without dying, but not me, since I don’t have Hector or Azura! IT’S NOT FAIR, COMPLETELY UNFAIR! At this point, it’s gonna take FOREVER to get “Marth” on my team, but by then, not only will this Tempest Mode disappear, but “Marth” as well!
Put Triangle Adept on any Red with good res and Veronica is actually the easiest unit to kill on the map.
This is BULLCRAP! Despite my best efforts, this God forsaken mode just keeps forcing me to puss out! If only I have more powerful heroes instead of crappy ones (Wrys, I’m looking at you, you old coot)!
I got my 4-Star “Marth”, but I really wanted a 5-Star “Marth”! But, 30,000 points to unlock 5-Star “Marth”?! …Eff…my…life!
Yes! Another Zephiel to merge with the one I already have! Sooner than I expected.
I will merge my Zephiels (and all other Grand Heroes) when they will be upgraded to 5 stars.
The difficulty is fine as it is (even the bullshit +60 HP heroes I run into since its no uncommon for games to beef up their units unnaturally during battles). The main issue is the amount of points they give out just doesn’t add up along with the AP requirements. They honestly should do an update pretty soon and change things because this current system sucks.
Normal Should be 10 AP, Hard 15, & Lunatic 20
Beef up the amount of points you get as the difficulty raises (even more than it already is). Because max I can ever get on the last Lunatic is around 500-700 with 4-5 of my units dying. Reaching the final reward….yeah….that will take a while (if I ever decide to play that long. Because this is a more of “kill time” game and not “sit on the couch for 2+ hours and play it” game). Also considering the amount of time you have to put into Lunatic Battles, the reward doesn’t justify the time spent on it if actually succeeding.
And this is coming from a p2p with decent units to play the final map. Considering I’ve also been playing Fate Grand Order and Granblue Fantasy…..this event really pales in comparison to theirs when it comes to the point/reward system.
Dear goodness, I never before realized how much I needed a Sakura keychain.
Got my third Zephiel by beating Chapter 9-2 on Lunatic. Had to use an Orb in order to do this right, because recently there’s no Light’s Blessings.
i still got 30 lights blessing
Lucky son of a gun, I bet you used those on Lunatic Chapter 9 to get shards.
Hopefully they plan to release these for S8+ and other Android phones.
Yeah, I’d love to get one for my S7.
Like, I stopped playing Heroes a while back (pretty much after I picked up Echoes), but I still love the Askran Crest.
Yeah, it’s still a pretty nice looking phone case anyway. Hope it’s also made to last.
let’s be honest, nobody really cares about Zephiel right now. Its all about the Tempest Trials xD
Yeah, having one of these at the same time as an event focusing on racking up as many points as possible is kinda dickish.
Those Fire Emblem Heroes Keyrings are also available for preorder at Archonia.com, a belgian website. For those of you in Europe who are interested.
*Sees Olivia* must get keychain!
Oh gods, those keychains are adorable!
They’re a little pricey, though… :/
A new Jill card huh? Guess I know what I’m buying on Ebay in the future.
You may also wish to think about purchasing from other Cipher fans here in the Cipher subforum on SF. 🙂 We have a large variety of trusted traders/sellers from around the world, and you’ll likely get a much better price than you would on eBay, since sellers don’t have to worry about eBay fees. Come check us out when you have a chance! https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/55020-cipher-tradingselling-thread/
iPhones… -_-
Woo! So there is Kliff cards! Thank goodness
Yep! We even got a preview of one of his cards in the June issue of Nintendo Dream 🙂 http://i.imgur.com/BlwAOT6.jpg
OMG Thanks so much!
too bad the case isn’t available for samsung (let alone my s6) :
however the keychains are incredibly cute! i already have kjelle and severa rubber keychains so i might get the acrylic ones…. i want cynthia too! never had her as a rubber one
looking at amiami totally rekindled my interest in the shiida nendo :^(((
Darn, I was really hoping for more Annas with this… Oh well…
Hope we get a real new focus soon. I feel like we haven’t had one in ages (as I don’t count Bridal Blessings).
We will very likely get another new banner tomorrow after Bridal Blessings is over. 🙂 I’m hoping we’ll get a preview video today!
Swift Sparrow is now no longer a limited skill, so that’s nice. Ploy skills have infinite range in cardinal directions. That’s just plain silly. I think these skills will prove devastating, and will see use everywhere. Firesweep Lance is very strong. You can’t put a wielder of it on the front lines (they will just become fodder), but it synergizes really well with skills like Drag Back, or with a seal skill, as you can then apply the effects of these skills for free, without fear of retaliation. Sturdy Blow… dunno how good that’ll be. Fire Boost will be hot (pun intended) on slow, high HP units, in particular Armours.
in particular a giant fuck you to -blade tome users. which was needed. so apparently they are countering power creep with units that counter said counter creeps.
Yeah. Now also, you may have spotted Legion in the trailer, apparently his Axe also has a Panic effect, turning buffs into debuffs, so yet more tools to counteract buff-centric builds and compositions when we get access to him.
I want Katarina so much now.
Also, if there’s gonna be a remake of New Mystery, it’d be like a remake of the remake. I personally would like it if the FE Switch game coming next year is actually a true remake of FE3, where we have Book 1 and Book 2 that explains the story of Shadow Dragon and then New Mystery. I wanna see how they handle that. Maybe if they still keep the Avatar system for the case of Kris, they’ll have adjustments made so it isn’t about Kris being Marth’s and other character’s center.
I so want Katerina, Athena and Luke!!
Oh wow, 4 new characters from New Mystery of the Emblem that was never released in North America? Well, in that case, I can never get those New Heroes, since this game hates me and my summoning skills, forcing me to make a miracle!
I really hope that they add Female Robin in some form in the game. I’m fine if, for example, Robin’s male in the story but can be switched or costumed to a female during gameplay. If Robin remains strictly male, I’m going to be mad.
Course they also failed to add Groose in Hyrule Warriors, so…
At this point you people will be mad at anything they do… They showed Female Corrin… YET noooo lets get upset if Robin is not female too *rolls eyes*…
No need to be rude. I’m just upset how much they throw the female variant of Robin under the bus, whereas Corrin shows both genders in a more equal standing. It’s as if Robin is only male, and that representation really rubs me the wrong way.
Also I really don’t have a preference for Corrin’s gender. I’m genuinely surprisingly they went with the female actually, but I do think a male Corrin should be an option as well.
They will not two of the same char, that will just end with people getting more upset, and trust me people are already upset.
Might I add Tiki is coming to the game as they just showed her new amiibo coming with the game.
While personally I prefer male Robin, I think that you should keep your hopes up for a female Robin being in Warriors. Normally when they do Awakening material in FE Spin-offs there’s either a heavy focus on Chrom or on Lucina. While it’s not 100% possibility, I’ve noticed that when Lucina is the focus (Such as in Smash Bros.) we get Male Robin, while when Chrom is the focus (like in Cipher series 1) we get the Female Robin. Since Chrom’s so present in these early trailers and teasers, I would bet by bottom dollar that female Robin at least gets to make an appearance!
As far as I’m concerned though this whole community is flipping out over nothing – everyone’s so salty over this game and we’ve barely seen anything other than exactly what you would expect so far. I’m sure the real surprises are still to come.
I 100% agree, we know maybe 1% about the game and we have reddit having a shit storm because OW NO sword users lol. This is why I lose faith in people on the internet, and I come off cold. So I em sorry to Fastesthe1 if I come off pissed or angry.
They also said that chars can use different weapons, which is why I think Robin will be male and Corrin will be female. I also don’t see a skin in release of game due to the fact they will want to add as many different chars to make those “Salty” reddit people happy haha.
You’re probably right. Still having my fingers crossed for some sort of female Robin!
Hyrule Warriors had plenty of skins to pay homage to the Legend of Zelda series, certainly we could at the very least get a skin of Female Robin like in Smash!
Actually, if we didn’t get skins at all I would be somewhat surprised…
Would have been nice to see at least 1 character outside the new games, people would have gotten hype af if they showed Ike/Roy/Hector/etc. Guess we’re gonna have to wait for more info on the next main title tho.
Tiki is coming.
Tiki? SWEET.
It means we’re getting shifters in this game too, I know it’s unlikely we’ll see any laguz but I’d kill for the chance to mow down armies with Caineghis
I think its 100% that we will get dragon forums, I mean the levels even have the FE style RNG leveling system! They are taking every thing they can from FE and putting into warriors! Super Hyped!
Dragon forums? Can the Dragonborn join in?
I rely need to reread my comments haha, that was a super bad spelling error HAHA
Only sword users…
They just showed Tiki amiibo so no, we have other chars too. Maybe wait for more news before jumping the gun like every reddit user is doing right now.
Ouch! Fanboy used Fury Attack, it’s not very effective.
Says the salty troll
Tiki amiibo hints to transformation characters like Keaton and Kaden!
Super happy about this!
Same!
Fun game and great characters chosen! I doubt it could’ve been much better than this! GOTY for sure!
YEAH CHEESY GENERIC HERO DIALOGUE
YEAH MOTHER WHO EXISTS ONLY TO BE NICE AND GET KILLED OFF
YEAH BIG EVIL DRAGON THAT PROBABLY WONT GET BACKSTORY
YEAH SWORDS YEAH
NINTENDO WON E3 BY SHOWING US THE SAME OLD IPs GUYS
My personal salt aside I still can’t wait to give this a try, it’ll be the first Musou game I’ve given a shit about since Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes. If you can technically call that game one.
JUST GIMME HECTOR
If New Mystery gets in the works, I will buy it because I did liked the DS remake and I hoped that maybe it can follow the Echoes route of including voice acting.
Eck, I might actually mute the game if I end up getting Athena. Gregor totally pulls the foreign accent better. Plus it looks like they had Elliwood’s artist draw her -_-….you know, I really don’t get why companies don’t just look around on pixiv for potential character artists more often. It’s almost like they’re obligated in just keeping the same workers for the character designs. On the plus side, 3 out of the 4 are red so it’ll be easier in focusing on orbs (since I really just want Katarina and Luke).
This looks FUCKING AWESOME!!!
And here i am, coming home from the store with my final Fire Emblem amiibo, Roy. The last amiibo i didnt have for Fire Emblem.
I was groaning the entire time. Intelligent systems is throwing away its old fans like they are garbage.
PASS! I’m not wasting Orbs on this useless banner, as I already got those characters!
One slight error in your writing. You listed Lianna’s weapon as “Fachinna” when it’s “Facinna”. Just letting you know.
Whoops! Thanks.
It’ll be interesting to see how bow and tome user will work in this game.
Better yet, Pegasus Knights and Wyvern Riders! :O I seriously wonder how they’ll work…
Warriors have done stuff like Bows & Tomes in the past (not in an FE style of course), but yeah I agree i’m very curious to see how they handle the Pegasus & Wyverns.
I think they’ll handle flying characters the same way they handled Medli in HW and Marco in PW. Just incorporate aerial combos in most of their attacks.
This is what I was thinking partly, but I wasn’t personally sure that was the route they might take,
but thats different than a full blown arial fighter. medlii was never really a big flier after all.
shiida SHOULD be in the game so…
Marco from PW is the closest thing to a full-blown aerial fighter in a Musou game then. He still moves on the ground when not attacking, but while attacking, he can stay in the air indefinitely. Unless you want to also count the Gundams that have flight boosters.
I wonder if they are going to add male Corrin into this game as a skin option for this Corrin. I also think it’s possible that he will be added as an additional character, possibly being Hoshido Prince as opposed to her Nohr Princess (maybe even focusing more on dragon than swords for the weapon).
I wanted Katarina so much, but I got a 5-Stars Ryoma instead …
I got katarina but -atk +spd… figures
The Ryoma I got is -Atk +Spd too. Oh, and I got a Athena -HP +Res.
I managed to get a 5-Stars Merric today.
I like Merric. Too sad I do not have Merric on my team…
As expected, this game hates me, because instead of giving me Katarina or any of the two red heroes, it gave me a 3-Star Hana, twice! What the hell?!
Male Corrin where?
This special edition is just for the Switch?
Pff, didn’t read it. I see now.
*Fingers crossed chanting under breath* Roy reveal, Roy reveal, we already have Marth so there’s no reason not to put Roy in, Roy reveal, Roy reveal, come on guys, don’t let me down…
they said they will focus on FE11~14 so…
used my 180 orbs I have been saving for the last month got everyone but Athena who I arguably wanted the most, guess I hope she is a 4 star after this. Got Rodrick on a no red circle. Is a -HP +Atk Karatina good though?
Legion’s gimmick in New Mystery of the Emblem is that he’s always surrounded by countless exact copies of himself who he calls his “brothers”. And from the looks of this, this GHB is going to emulate that gimmick. Apparently, this GHB will feature reinforcements, too, which means we’ll probably see even more of him than just the two we see here. That’s gonna be fun… Oh and this man hits hard and fast, too, so watch out.
Looking this map, probably smart to open up by luring out the mages on both sides and if possible kill them on the counter. Man, if only I had a good Blue Tome user somewhere…
dat dragonstone though
ok but where is my kleine?? she better be up next
What if the current New Mystery banner IS the GHB banner, since it already comes with plenty of new red units? (That said, I haven’t really paid much attention to the banners so could be wildly mistaken).
GHB banners thus far have never included new units, and the banner would’ve also been called the “Battling Legion” banner. Besides, you fight much more than just Legion himself, and GHB banners usually account for that as well. This GHB is gonna get a seperate banner.
Yep hyper of Echoes totally over, so much stuff to get over it.
Anyway one of the Legions got his special ready so can we assume this GHB banner will have a mage, a dagger user or a acher?
Why are there 2 Legions? Is this because he said “we” instead of “I” or something? Anyway, this is just another Grand Hero Battle that I can never beat so easily.
It refers to “The Mask Laughs” chapter in New Mystery. Essentially, you need to defeat the real Legion while swarmed against many more Legions.
HOLY CRAP WHY HAVEN’T I MOVED TO JAPAN YET
Seriously…The CD…Stand with Chibi Elise/Sakura…Camilla/Hinoka Playmat…Elise/Sakura Playmat…Special Marker Card…Sakura Sleeves…Severa Sleeves…the Card Binder…heck, even the Pen and T-shirt! SOMEBODY SET ME UP
I wish I could go to one of these events, especially with the chance to meet some of the artists for the actual games. But alas, that won’t be happening anytime soon…
Honestly they should release more DLC because of Season Pass price…
FE is a big franchise now, even in the west
can we get cipher plz?
WHAT?! INFERNAL MODE?! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! And with enemy reinforcements, I will fight more than just one Legion, as well as more powerful enemies?! …I’m f***ed!
At least you don’t get anything new from it, so you’re not missing out on much. Just another copy of Legion 4* and 2000 feathers. So you don’t have to feel too obliged to complete it.
Another 4-Star Legion? Crap, I thought I would get a 5-Star Legion for completing Infernal mode, but the 2000 feathers are new to me. That mode is just asking me to complete it if I can, otherwise it would just mock me!
Nintendo took the gloves off. Got the 3 star and can survive around 5 turns on infernal I may overreacting a bit but the pressure I felt is like the final chapter of the Shadow Dragon all over again with no warp staves.
It was hell, but I did Infernal after like 15 tries! And I still only barely scraped by. This one was a real headache, alright. My heroes were Sanaki (with Axebreaker), Ryoma, Nino and Ninian. It took me several tries with this team alone, it all came down to specific positioning decisions. Might’ve been more luck than wisdom, but hey, I’ll take it!
Don’t sweat it, there’s next to none strategic value in this game. It’s all about having the right units and skills for the right map.
I’m not about to go into an arguement over what constitutes as strategic value, so I’ll just say I respectfully disagree. Having the right units helps of course, but I do think there’s more strategy than you’re giving it credit for.
I’d love to hear your arguments for that, since I’m genuinely curious about what deranged form of strategy you are experiencing with this game. But since I’m currently without a PC and despise typing on my phone, I’ll avoid making a long winded ordeal out of this. Just saying that the main purpose of this game is a cashgrab, and that is reflected in the gameplay. Literally every single map in this game can be flawlessly completed if you have exactly the perfect units for the job. No exceptions. And how do you get those units? Well, you see where I’m getting with this.
Not exactly what I would call proper strategy. But it’s decent enough to play on the go, so I’ll give it that.
Not sure you’ve noticed, but that’s literally every Fire Emblem game. If you have the right units trained, you can clear every map flawlessly.
Not to the same degree. In the main games, there’s a lot of external factors to contend with as well, and you have to decide what to do if an unit falls, unless you’re ironmanning. Plus there’s always the off chance that units will be rng screwed. Here, there’s no permadeath, rng is predetermined, and the maps are tiny, limiting strategies immensely. But now that I think about it a bit, this game has better value than Awakening in that particular department. At least the maps aren’t only open fields in Heroes, but they might as well be considering what the rest of the game is.
Okay, look, I won’t deny for a second that Heroes at its cored is very simplified compared to the usual Fire Emblem, but I don’t think that means it requires no meaningful strategy at all, which you seem to believe. Yes, if you have the perfect units, you can flawlessly clear any map. Emphasis on “if”. As a fully F2P player myself, no, I’m not going to have all the best units, and all the best skillsets on said units, let alone be able to merge them to become even stronger. And not everyone is going to have the same units available to them, aside from what’s handed out directly for free through quests and such (assuming you even got it at that point). Since the tools everyone has to work with differ from player to player (and again, especially if you’re F2P like me), you’re frequently gonna have to improvise some, and that makes up for the lack of in-battle RNG that would otherwise force improvisation when things don’t go according to plan. In fact, given the nature of Heroes, it’s probably a good thing this game doesn’t have in-battle RNG. I do happen to have some very good units through luck, enough so to clear this map on Infernal difficulty, but this new GHB map is still no joke. Again, I cleared it with the above team, but it still took me several tries with that very team, because my choice in actions and positioning kept putting me in trouble. These Grand Hero Battles are designed with much more care than the randomized Training Tower maps, and the Legion GHB kicks off a new set of them that clearly has set out to shake up the pace some.
Yeah, that’s definitely fair enough. And to be honest, this type of marketing now exists in the mainline FE as well in the form of dlc, which could be likened to purchasing heroes in this one. If anything, that’s probably what I’m mad about more than anything. I don’t like when FE is built around that, since it implies near-infinite gameplay and grinding, which I feel detracts from the gameplay even further, and more often than not leads to lazy gaming. But this game needs to be ‘infinite’ as it’s defined for its business to succeed. I just prefer more compact experiences that have good replay value in that form instead. Those are, to me, much more stimulating than the 3DS titles (+heroes).
It’s obvious what kind of business model Heroes is running, and I sure don’t intend to ever spend money on it (I’ll leave that up to the whales), but at the same time, for what it’s worth, I do think FE: Heroes is quite F2P friendly. Granted, I haven’t played much of this style of game to have much of a frame of reference, but I do appreciate the lack of “HEY, THIS REQUIRES ORBS, GO BUY SOME RIGHT NOW” pop ups everywhere that I feel like other games often like to do. Handouts in general are also frequent. For what it is, I like how FE: Heroes is handled.
It’s good enough for its purpose, I’d say. Not really the type of game I’ll play years down the line like I will with other FE’s, since the constant grinding is bound to get terribly boring after some time. At least it will for me, since I hate grinding in these games. Same reason why I’m not going to play FE2/8/13/15 again for quite some time.
Got the 3-star Legion on the 2nd try and I think I won’t even bother with harder difficulties this time, because Tempest Trials are more important. Also, I hope limited heroes will returm someday, because I failed to get Charlotte, the Money Maiden.
I got a 3-Star Legion. It’s bad enough I would take on Lunatic mode, now there’s Infernal mode?! …Wait, don’t tell me, they’re gonna add Infernal mode on Chapters, Paralogues, and Xenologues in the future?! Oh God, NO!
I would be 100% okay with that, if just for the fact that it would probably give us that many more opportunities to earn Orbs.
Do we know who’s going to voice Shade? They keep bringing up the VAs for the other three in other events, but I don’t recall seeing anything mentioning what to expect from her VA in anything at all since the DLC was revealed. Are they keeping everyone in the dark or just us here?
Shade’s Japanese voice actress is Hibiku Yamamura, who was already a guest back during the Spring livestream (which also happened to be when the voice actors for all the Cipher characters were announced). She is also the voice of Rinea.
Oh, how pretty! I wonder how big it is…
I finally got a 4-Star Legion from Lunatic, but not from Infernal! I’m crazy enough to play on Lunatic mode, but Infernal mode?! HELL NO! Especially when I still don’t have any other powerful units, no Hector, no Azura, no Ryoma, no Julia, no nothing! F*CK!
Well, I tried Infernal mode, and I lost, several times! I keep on watching the “How to beat Legion on Infernal mode” videos, but none of that stuff is working! They beat it with powerful allies (i.e. Ryoma, Azura, Julia. Hector) and their inheritance skills (i.e. Drag Back on any of those characters besides Nino, and Reposition on any of those characters besides Barst)! THEY F***ING CHEATED!! …I quit, I’m going back to Tempest Trials!
Itchybackside beat Infernal using F2P characters. Xander being the only 5 star and Hone Cavalry from Gunter being the only inherited skill.
He’s beaten all the GHB with F2P characters.
Uh, bullcrap, that’s basically cheating! All I wanted to see is anyone beating Infernal mode fairly!
It’s on youtube if you don’t believe me. It basically boils down to several tries to see what the AI does, and building a strategy knowing exactly who will show up where.
Define cheating. I don’t think it gets much more fair than full F2P.
WANT
The designs are awesome for them at least this’ll let me come back to Echoes for a little bit!
<3
The units looks great! The problem is… what party should I put each pair? Alm’s Party or Celica’s Party…
Also, I am waiting for these four units make a appearance in FE Heroes…
By any chance do you have any proof they will be in Heroes? or is just a wish?
Nobody has proof, but with their release in Echoes it seems likely that they’ll do a banner with the four of them at some point to get people to buy more Orbs if for no other reason. It also seems like a good way to continue to test the waters to see if Cipher would sell worldwide, so I for one think they’ll for sure be in Heroes at some point, we just don’t know how long it’ll be before they reach that point.
Allright, I understood but I hope for a banner before that (nothing personal) with missing units, like a other green dragon or even another dancer/singer.
Yeah, I’m not counting on the Ø4 for a long time, so you’ll probably get your other Green Dragon or Refresh Unit before then.
I’m going with Yuzu and Shade on Alm’s side since more mages there is always good. If Emma was separate than I would throw her on Alm’s side too. But I want Lando on Celica’s side. Too much Cavaliers on Alm’s already. So Emma and Lando go to Celica as a result.
I’m reminded again why I love the Cipher stuff. Because of how amazing it is to get new artwork! Also glad to see we’ll get some FE8 artwork in S11.
Eww, Thracia cards. What a waste of set space.
That “v” dont suit you at all Hector.
No Infernal for me; I had a hard enough time with Lunatic for this one. Had to train up my new Katarina before I could beat it, because none of my usual Red units were cutting it against Legion.
Getting that Selkie!!!!!!
Why is the witch posing like that? is…weird.
As for novelty’s sake: Horray, you can become a manakete with this~
>and Orson from Thracia
Correction: Orsin is from Thracia. Orson is from Sacred Stones..
Oh, you’ve got to be freaking kidding me! Just one Orb from all three difficulties, as opposed to the Dueling Swords and Stamina Potions?! Cheapskates! I hate it when they do that!
Be happy you can get orbs for free in the first place. And this runs for 3 weeks, with every set of quests running for a week. Assuming the rewards stay the same, that’s a total of 9 orbs, 21 Stamina Potions and 42 Dueling crests to be earned. How can you possibly complain about that? It’s not even hard at all.
True, that is a LOT of dueling crests. You only even need to use one or two per week just to meet all the quests anyway. May as well stock up. And the stamina potions can help with any last minute tempest trial grinding to be done.
So gonna need the Stamina Potions if is Ike with his father axe or Nagi in any incoming Tempest Trial.
I remembrer three helpers Selena, Minerva and Eliwood, hope this help anyone.
Michalis, another villain that I couldn’t defeat on Lunatic mode the first time. I’ll have my revenge soon enough!
Cordelia calm down.
Even though this won’t last long for me all 4 cipher characters are really good especially their weapons and CAs!
How did I win this battle again?
i love their designs…i hope hidari stays for the next mainline fe game
I would say its definitely likely but we’ll see
Some FE artists are one shots, but I would definitely like to see Hidari return, especially with the positive response
If the info on that Wayward Lance is accurate, it’s straight garbage. The base stats already are crap, and the Heaven or Hell combat arts is pure RNG. The other 2 weapons at least seem decent. The Trainee Lance’s ability is great, but it’s on a lackluster weapon (hopefully it can be forged up in power). The Warrior’s Sword seems to be the best of the bunch with the best base stats and a solid ability.
The characters themselves seem pretty good with solid bases and growths (dat 10 Res growth on Emma). Though it is a shame that Yuzu gets basically nothing in regard to Spells, meaning unless you reclass her, with one of your precious 3 Villager’s Forks, she’s just an inferior Dreadfighter with basic spells.
Shade gets virtually everything while Yuzu gets virtually nothing. It’s such a contrast. I guess that’s supposed to reflect the experience gap between the two or something? Other than that, I have no idea why there’s a stark contrast here between characters when it comes to spell distribution.
I’ll probably go through with it and reclass Yuzu to Dread Fighter to be honest. That just feels right to me somehow, in addition to being arguably more useful
Sadly female characters can’t reclass into Dread Fighter 🙁
Well, besides Mage!Faye, Yuzu is the only Priestess that can use Sagittae, that might have been the idea. That and forcing you to use her as basically a Swordmaster.
Well, nothing a little RNG manipulation won’t fix.
The idea is Yuzu is more a fighter than a mage… it’s a shame Dread fighters are gender locked in this game
Got another 3★ Michalis by beating him on Lunatic Chapter 9-1. Now I need to beat his Lunatic Grand Hero map.
These characters are basically Awakening characters: funny, quirky, light-hearted. I like them, and I liked Awakening, but I don’t know how well they fit in Echoes. What do people think?
Funny, quirky, and light-hearted characters existed in other titles, too. Not just Awakening. There’s L’Arachel from Sacred Stones, Nino from Blazing Sword, Delthea from Gaiden/Echoes, freaking Oliver from the Radiant Series.
I think they’ll fit into Echoes just fine. Their designs are still in the same style of Echoes and they’re integrated with the way the game works as well. Story-line wise, I’m sure they’ll be irrelevant, however.
You are not wrong. I would argue that in some cases, Nino and Delthea, there’s depth there too, while L’arachel was always a little, but acceptably ridiculous, and Radiant Dawn Oliver was totally ridiculous to me. I feel like there’s a difference, especially since Echoes is one of the more serious titles, but maybe I’m wrong.
They do have final battle quotes, supports, and endings and such, which is really cool, so they’re hardly more irrelevant than Valbar, Leon, and Kamui kind of are.
Nah, you’re not. I mean, this IS a remake of a game from 1992, so no doubt the approach to creating FE games were different back then. Things change as time goes on. Dust to dust, as they say.
Supports, I get but final battle quotes and endings? Huh. Wow, they’re really trying to integrate them into Echoes. But we’ll see.
A little off topic but does anyone have a site for S9 cards? I’m looking for Camus and Palla cards for obvious reasons.
One way or the other, I WILL defeat that villain! He humiliated me on Lunatic mode for the last time!
Pegasus Knight, then. Because of their utility as an air unit to go across any terrain and do bonus damage to terrors.
Sadly, Echoes lacks the depth and variety that was available to you through reclassing in Awakening and Fates.
How, exactly? I disagree. Thing is, Echoes does have depth and variety, it’s just that it cannot be compared to Awakening and Fates. It’s in a league of its own. Gaiden was well-known for doing a lot of things differently which gave it its black-sheep reputation.
One example I can give that showcases the depth and variety is how inventory works. There’s a lot of strategic depth to it. You can make your unit more defensive by giving them shields or more offensively potent by giving them a stronger weapon. You’re constantly weighing pros and cons of how your units can work best with what items.
Also, you get three pitchforks through free DLC. So you don’t have to pay anything for it and you can make multiple save files to experiment with what combinations of three units to give your pitchforks to.
Echoes is in a League of it own as far as depth and variety goes, that is to say several league below Fates.
The only thing that is different enough in Echoes from Fates is the existence of shields, though Fates still has similar functionality to it’s weapons so that difference is still very small. And I still found the weapon balance and system from Fates overall better than Echoes. Also, I was never having to weigh the pros and cons of inventory in echoes because late game inventory always outclassed early game ones.
And as far as the pitchforks goes, it’s still only 3, and each character is restricted to 5 class paths for males and 4 for females. Compared to Fates where you have unlimited access to Heart, Partner, and Friendship seals being limited only by you gold supply plus the ones you obtain naturally while playing the game. On top of this each character has 2 class sets that branch into 4 paths, then can gain access to many more with usage of the Partner and Friendship seals. And as far as multiple save files goes…Fates also allows this, it’s not an Echoes unique feature.
If I were to give, for the sake of argument, Fates a 10/10 in regards to the depth and variety it’s gameplay offers, Echoes is a 3/10. It doesn’t completely lack any, but by comparison to it’s predecessors, Echoes is shite.
Very well. I’ll concede to you.
Predecessor? Gaiden is the predecessor, Echoes is a remake of Gaiden, of course it’s not gonna throw in all of this crazy new stuff found in awakening/fates that wouldn’t make it a remake but an entirely new game. They had to keep certain mechanics so it wouldn’t lose itself and just become the next ‘Fates’ and honestly I’m happy about that. I prefer the simplicity, but I’m biased seeing as my favorite FE games are the GBA and GC games, which in those games everyone was locked into a specific class (with the exception of a few units) and there was almost zero grinding (except for in Sacred Stones with the tower or the arenas but those were risky). I’m not saying crazy amounts of customization is a bad thing but I believe it would’ve changed this game far too drastically to the point where it would no longer be Gaiden. But that’s just my two cents.
I want to make something clear, I don’t actually hate Echoes as a whole, and I don’t begrudge anyone who likes it; it actually makes me happy to see so many people enjoy this game. I personally found several problems with it, even when not compared with the other 2 3DS titles but with even the GBA or SNES ones. I’ve played the original Gaiden before I played even Awakening and from the start I hated the gameplay, and not because of the bad UI.
I understand people like the, “it’s a remake” argument, but that shouldn’t stop it from being it own thing and not just a prettier version of the original. New Mystery did plenty of things different from FE3, and it was a solid remake (I’m ignoring Shadow Dragon) while still not binding itself to the restrictions of “it’s a remake.”
Now with Echoes, it had a lot of great ideas: Mila’s Turnwheel being the single best idea any FE game has come up with, and it needs to become a staple of the franchise. I liked the idea behind combat arts, but it needs fixing in that the skills are like Radiant Dawn’s 3rd tier class skills all over again, unbalanced and enemies can never have them. Dungeons are a great idea, but the repetitiveness of the battles made dungeons a chore rather than a joy. I really loved that lower ranked weapons can be forged and upgraded to higher ranked ones, and if they were to ever make a FE4 remake, this is something they’ll need to incorporate into it. And I’d even say that this feature made the forging system better in Echoes than in Fates, though I do still prefer the more customizable aspect that Path of Radiances started.
Again, I don’t begrudge anyone who likes this game, I didn’t, but I want I.S. to take notes of the dos and don’ts for the next remake. This is why I try to always have discussions and break the echo cambers that exist within this community currently, because that’s will make the community better.
That’s a pretty poor spell list for Yuzu, gimmick of being one of only two Priestess in the game to have Sagittae only gets you so far. I could reclass her, but perhaps I’ll just throw a Lady Sword at her instead.
My prediction is that it’ll come down to either Elise or Sakura, at the very least one of the 2 will be the ones to advance to the finals. On the other end, it’s not as easy to predict, but my money would be on either Lissa or Priscilla, but in the end I think that it’ll be one of the Fates girls.
I understand the theme, but I was really looking forward to backing Genny…
Well, gee, I can’t tell who’s gonna win in this Voting Gauntlet, so chances are that I’m gonna lose if I choose a character who will have less votes. Also, yay for 10000 Universal Crystals, but boo for 10 Orbs! Cheapskates! Just 10 Orbs is not enough to summon more new Heroes, you know!
Technically it’s enough to summon two Heroes.
Um, no, there’s nothing good about just two heroes, especially when it’s gonna end up having more 3-Star weak heroes.
I’m not saying you *should*, I’m just saying you *could*. And hey, you don’t know, some people get 5-star units off of the first summon in a session.
Can’t say I quite have that luck myself, but I know it happens.
This has happened to me three times, and I’m free to play. I’ve been very lucky.
My guesses: Lissa, Sakura, Priscilla and Lachesis (I’m the least sure about Lachesis or Maria, Maria is FAR more common) win the first round, then Lissa and Sakura for the final. I’m going Mist at first, she’s my favorite healer anyway.
I have zero ideas on who to vote for…
I want to root for both Lissa and Mist, but, uh…
This voting gauntlet is going to be kinda janky. Well at least there is no clear winner this time around.
I am thinking to go with Sakura. Sakura was one of my best unit in Fates and I like her. But I like Priscilla too…
Meh. I mostly hate the FE clerics. (Lachesis is cool, I refuse to recognize her as a “cleric” though.)
RIP Lando’s name. I mean, Randal’s not bad but it’s just not gonna be the same. Also, the heck went wrong with Shade’s portrait for the lower screen? She looks super psycho.
The G4 of my phone is over so cant compete until the final day. it will have a couple of good fights looking at the picture.
Elise is from Nohr, So she’s gonna trample everyone. Lissa will too since she’s from Awakening. After that though……I’m not sure who would win.
Bummer about Genny not competing (maybe it’s because she is too OP with her Wrathful Staff skill), but hey, at least that old coot Wrys won’t compete at all, this is clearly a “Cleric girls ONLY” tournament.
You wanna know what bites? There’s no more Light’s Blessings items! Why the hell can’t we get more Light’s Blessings anymore?! I need those to clear Chapter 9-5 Lunatic Quest, for crying out loud!
Elise and Sakura have this one in the bag :/
You do realize that only one of them will prevail and move to the next round, right? Now, who do you think will win, Sakura or Elise?
Back when it was still going I was sure Sakura would take it but I was wrong, it was Elise.
Took you long enough to reply. Better luck next time.
LOL They’re OP as fuck.
Go Sakura and Lissa!
Yo, Vincent, don’t know if you’re the one in charge of the Cipher Wiki thing, but Alm’s Promo Exclusive picture is currently his SR pic.
There are a few of us on the forums that work on the Wiki. I’ve got the card fixed, now, so thank you for pointing it out! 🙂
Uhhh i think you mean Fury in the title :p
Thank you for pointing that out! I feel like such an idiot now. xD I got it fixed up at least. ^^
Anytime! : ] Thanks for all the updates!
And Bartre instead of Barst.
Bah, it’s official, I was much too asleep still when I wrote this article… >_>
Oh hi Eldigan.
So you are a focus along the unfocused version that nice to know.
Interesting that they decided to omit Hinata from the banner. It seems they are insistent on keeping these skill-based banners 3 characters large.
Also Hinata was on a banner not a month ago.
Sure, but that’s never stopped them before.
This has to be for the whales, right? I mean, who would spend orbs on basically SI fodder (and Eldigan, I guess), if the chance of getting them anyway is so small?
Well, I’m F2P and I spent a few orbs on the Vantage banner, got really lucky and legitimately turned the 5* Gordin and 5* Reinhardt I got into SI fodder… my barracks are almost full, I have a Bridelia and another Reinhardt, so it was really weird, but I did use two 5* units as SI fodder… (for Ryoma and Hector) (I have very few 5* units, but I got mostly lucky with the ones I got)
Meanwhile I got a 5* Peri on the same banner with a bad nature and have no idea what to do with her at all. Bad good luck?
I might try one round on this to get Eldigan, but I doubt my luck will be that good again, and I have almost no orbs left.
Hmm, I might get Eldigan, since I never got him way before. But then again, I don’t have enough Orbs, plus I don’t have all the Clerics who are gonna compete in the Voting Gauntlet.
Oh GREAT, yet another Grand Hero Battle that I can never win…on Infernal mode! Well, to hell with this Infernal Grand Hero Battle, I’m going back to the Voting Gauntlet!
Is complaining, like, your job or something?
You don’t even have a real job, kid. Also, joke’s on you, they don’t hire those who “complain”, which I never do. I bet you had a Godawful time on the Legion Infernal mode, too.
Using “kid” to try and validate yourself by being older. How cute.
And- in any case- I beat you in that department, “kid”.
And, you’re absolutely right. I can pay my bills, taxes, rent, food, car, and the occasional orbs all through my charm alone. It’s fantastic. You should try it.
The only thing that’s cute is you thinking that you’ve won and thinking that you actually have a real life, which you didn’t. Also, you don’t look “charming”, we all know you’re just a little fat troll breathing on a computer and living under your mommy’s basement. No wonder your name is “Stranger”, you’ve been making strange things, in a loser way. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck losing in the Voting Gauntlet, childish troll. Ha ha!
How dare you reveal my secrets.
Its just a running gag for them to constantly complain. Just ignore their existence like the rest of us does.
What, is no one gonna comment on who’s going to win in this Voting Gauntlet?! Am I the only one here?! …Hello?!
My money’s on Elice
Bad news, Elise is losing against Sakura.
Not for me! 🙂
Rooting for Sakura, aren’t you, kid?
Okay, Elise won the first round, now she’ll be up against Lachesis.
So, threaten def and threat atk/spd
If that’s not broken, idk what is.
I swear to God, if they add the “Enemy Reinforcements” shenanigans in THIS God forsaken Grand Hero Battle, I’m staying away!
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!! I’m not gonna bother wasting all my stamina for that God forsaken Infernal mode, but isn’t there any player who beat Clarisse in Lunatic mode WITHOUT AZURA OR HECTOR OR ANY POWERFUL UNITS?! It’s not fair they beat this challenge with Azura or Hector or ANY powerful units, even WITH their Skill Inheritance! WHY?!
Infernal/Lunatic is possible without Azura or Hector, but you do need a unit with Sing/Dance (even a Level 1 Olivia can work) and probably a really tanky unit and a really hard-hitting one. I beat it with Young Tiki as the tank and Bride Cordelia as the heavy hitter. I did use Azura, but she only used sing. I also had Sakura with Rehabilitate to heal Young Tiki multiple times.
I actually beat all three modes on the first try with Horse Emblem. I didn’t even really struggle. I say this because I think it’s pretty obvious that Horse is broken, but it’s also not very hard to build. I use Xander, Camus, and Cecilia, all of whom are free. That with a free Olivia is probably solid enough to get pretty far. I’ll admit I took a liberty with Triangle Adept Cecilia, who is no doubt my MVP, and does require some lucky inheritance, but there’s a framework for any F2P player (which I am)
Pretty much agree that this infernal is f2p beatable. I mean it just depends on if f2p players actually used their feathers on good units like Xander or Camus. For me it was:
I used a 5 Camus, 5 Lilina, 5 Azura, & 5 Priscilla . Camus and
Lilina were obviously 4 stars that were upgraded. Azura doesn’t matter
as she didn’t battle, only thing you need is a Dancer so Oliviva would
be a good substitute. Any healer would do, but I found the mobile healer
movement to be better, so you could have used Clairine. I originally had Goad Cavalry on Priscilla to support Camus but then I realized I never equipped it to her….and she was never next to Camus for the Spur Def to actually to effect.
I only had to use 1 stamina potion to
figure this out….unlike Legion where I poured in 5+.
Or you can do what MKV did and just run Raigh, a 4-star Donnel and a pair of Olivia’s. It’s a little insane.
It’s definitely possible. I beat it with two Olivias, Sharena and Xander without any skill inheritance. Xander can easily deal with the archer, ninja, red sword and green mage, so the rest is just clean up. I imagine Triangle Adept Robin would do pretty well too though.
Not too bad.
Beat Lunatic just now. Switched Male Robin out for Ninian instead. Along with Nowi as my main tank, Celica to kill the green mage and tank the ninja. And Camilla to secure the kills.
I managed Inferno with Azura (+def -atk), Xander, Camus, and Julia (+spd -hp) all 5*. My camus is a fury vantage build, my xander is an atk+3 quick reposte build, and my azura has wings of mercy as her only inherited skill, and julia didn’t need anything special. I barely managed to beat this though with xander pulling off some mad tanks by waiting on the fort turn one after getting hone res from azura. After which I pulled him back and had camus tank with julia taking out clarisse and tanking the shuriken. Afterwards it was quick clean up. In the end, everyone’s hp was in the danger area with azura being the only double digits. This map was significantly easier than Legion’s.
Oh DEFINITELY. Legion’s map was just BULLSHIT.
Male Robin, Lucina and Lissa were obvious giveaways of being in the game from their massive popularity and obvious story importance.
Plus Robin could be played as a mage with sword swings as primary attacks
plus the fact that they said these games are the focus.
No surprise people.
Robin & Lucina sure, I’ve never really considered Lissa particularly popular.
Lissa IS popular actually and memorable
I think I was going off the old Japanese poll which had her 11th which is a good spot just not as high as this would make me think https://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
Outdated sure, but eh haha.
Also popular may be, memorable is debatable.
JUST GIMME HECTOR
That’s rather unlikely considering the focuses are Shadow Dragon, Awakening, and Fates.
But there aren’t many axe units in Awakening, Fates, and Shadow Dragon, Plus Hector is the Only Axe weilding lord in the series if you don’t count class changing.
They did say this wasn’t gonna be a meet up of Lords, though.
That is actually disappointing, the Lord characters were all unique units in their respective games, the sad point of thier choice to then limit it to only three games kinda makes the idea of cutting down the roster more like their shooting themselves in the foot considering the roster for the Warriors Orochi line has almost 100 characters if not more.
Did they say that’s the focus? If so, I’m not buying it. Other games in the franchise need love. I would even take an FE4 character over anybody from Fates, even though I’m not a big fan of FE4’s huge maps. And, while I loved Awakening, I’m honestly so bored with it now. Shadow Dragon I could never get into, except for some of FE3, but even then I stopped after a while.
I’m feeling this is gonna be like Hyrule Warriors, where they picked characters from the current three most popular games (Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword) and then for the DLC they picked from the rest of the series. And it makes sense. The overall consensus in the Fire Emblem fandom loved and still loves the shit out of Awakening and Fates, despite what the vocal minority says (as sales numbers don’t lie) and Shadow Dragon is there for the token “game that started it all” deal (and its also apparently very popular in Japan).
God. I really would like for Hector and Matthew to be in this game. Lol
Not surprised at all about Robin being in. I was on the fence about whether or not they would include Lissa, yet not surprised that they did. With this game being what it is, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got 15 characters from Awakening alone.
Depends on the size of the core roster itself. Who knows? It just might end up being close to 40 characters.
That’s if KT is truly looking for equal representation of characters across the three games + the 3 OCs & Anna.
I don’t know how, but I somehow managed with Lucina, Robin, Azura, and Hector on the Infernal mode. I say it again, I LOVE MY DISTANT COUNTER LUCINA!
They better let us use Female Robin too.
I hope so! *fingers crossed*
I did warn people they would do Male Robin and Female Corrin :p I think I was spot on haha.
Oddly enough, I actually prefer it the other way around, with Female Robin and Male Corrin…
But I do hope the two are added at least, perhaps as alternate skins. Dynasty Warriors had costumes in the past, it wouldn’t be unreasonable for them not to include them this time.
Skins are a high chance, but they will worry about new chars first, due to people crying about wanting X & Y char’s.
So, uh, how about that Male Corrin? No? Okay…
….This is why we have Heroes….this is why we have Heroes….this is why we have Heroes…this…is…why…*sniff*!
GO LISSA YES.
Also please bring in freaking owain. And maybe ophilia.
Oh sweet Karma. I blew through all my orbs on the Katarina banner (and purchased $13 more) to get absolute ass (not even good SI fodder). I do a total of 3 summons with the free orbs I earned I pull Summer Frederick (+SPD -RES so it seems workable) and 5 star Minerva (….but she has bad IVs. At the very least I can give her Life and Death to someone else)
Dang, big update. Looking forward to it. We don’t yet know the exact date that version 1.5 hits, do we?
Don’t care about this banner, though, I’m going to save my orbs (or at least try) for better things later on.
From what I read, its coming on the 5th of July!
Well, my luck is terrible. Got almost all the brides, but none of the summer guys so far. (And I want Summer Gaius so much…)
I figure this is probably part of the model, but I think they need to shuffle which heroes are found at which rarity. They seem to keep adding 5* units (with unique skills besides), while leaving the number of available 3* star units the same and marginally changing the number of 4* units. It seems like then that most players will never see some of these new units or skills and that any given 5* unit will become harder to get. I mean, are they really telling me that Boey can’t be available as a 3*?
Hail to Waifublem the future!
Wait but… There’s only one female that’s from 3DS FE here
Another Tiki for my collection!
(Sigh) I didn’t get Summer Tiki, I got Child Tiki instead. …Yay?
Child Tiki is a very powerful green killer. Especially Hector.
Oh, thanks a lot, kid, now you made me want to get Hector, but nope, the Summer Heroes are here, and now I’ll have to get them instead!
Have fun without any, I guess.
Even you cannot prove that you have those powerful heroes, strange troll. Ha ha.
Give me one good reason why I should bother trying to prove anything to you.
Figure it out for yourself, misguided kid.
Welp. I thought long and hard about it.
There is none.
Your loss, kid, it looks like you can’t prove anything after all.
Cool, more characters that use SWORDS.
Technically, Lissa is a Cleric (in addition to wielding Axes as a War Cleric), and Robin uses both Swords & Tomes. The latter will most-likely use both in a single moveset.
There’s also an amiibo of Tiki created specifically for this game so, out of all characters confirmed/revealed so far, she solely makes use of a Dragonstone.
Also technically, both Corrin & Lianna make use of magic in their movesets (a Dragonstone for the former).
So… if your concern is an overabundance of “swords” (sword-users), then there’s technically only FIVE characters so far that purely use a sword and nothing else (rather than all 13 revealed so far).
Wait, what? 13 revealed?
Sword-only units: Marth, Chrom, Ryoma, Xander, Rowan, Lianna. So six, not five. (And seven if Lucina is in.)
Unless you try to say that if they’re in a class that can use another weapon, they will – in which case, Chrom, Xander and Lucina can all technically use Lances, even though their Prfs and main weapons are Swords.
Sword units with additional weapons: Robin, Corrin.
Non-sword users: Lissa.
That’s 10 units, including Lucina. Not sure where you’re getting 13 revealed. For 10 units, that’s a lot of swords, especially for a game where the devs said they wanted to avoid a “meetup of the lords” because of weapon variety.
Xander is a cavalier, not a sword-only unit. Plus, he’s still able to throw his Siegfried like a javelin. Lianna’s capable of Light Magic in her moveset, so not a pure sword-user. Lastly, Chrom makes use of a Lance in part of his moveset (specifically throwing a lightning-charged one).
Robin is most likely going to utilize a Sword-and-Tome moveset, ala Takakage Kobayakawa, and Corrin makes use of her Dragonstone in most of her special (“charge”) moves.
Sword-only = Ryoma, Marth, Lucina, Rowan, & Darius.
Non-sword users = Tiki & Lissa.
Unknown = Anna.
13.
Oh WOW, that is one hell of an update! Here’s my reaction to this:
Chain Challenge: 80 stages? Damn, that’s a whole lot of stages to complete the challenges.
Squad Assault: My units can get captured by the enemies, in this mode where it’s the most difficult of all, Lunatic, and/or Infernal?! …Gulp!
Tempest Trials: Well, it’s about time that the next upcoming Tempest Trials will have defeated enemies to stay defeated when I try again with a different team!
Please, not again. I paid almost £400 for the previous set, and I failed to get Charlotte. I wish I could pick any character I want, even as 1-star hero – that would be way better.
Four hundred quid? You serious mate?
Yes, I’m serious. Also, I was more lucky with the Spring ones, because I paid only around £150 during that time and I’ve got all four heroes.
Started with 120 orbs ended with 12, but I did get Tiki (and one or two other nice things along the way)!
Of course, I was only rolling Green spheres, so who knows what I missed out on too…
Then I think I’d take Chrom X Ryoma, because then we have characters from different games conversing with eachother, and also funnily enough, two characters with the same voice actor.
In English, anyway. But I argree: I look forward to seeing Matt Mercer talking with himself. XD
How amusing does that have to be to watch? Just seeing Matt Mercer in the recording booth going back and forth between two characters!
Seconded. But I got no twitter. So everyone else vote for Chrom and Ryoma talking.
Nice little surprise won’t be able to do it yet maybe near the end of the month I just got out of a 4 day stay in the hospital so mondo medical bill is incoming D:.
Is there a focus version of the summer summon?
Weird choices… Tiki, not really an Awakening original character. Gaius, who already had a beach picture. Frederick is okay, and though I love Robin, I’m still questioning this group of characters in general. I hope there’s more later
Aw man. I don’t really care for any of these characters. Why not Nowi :’c
Because Nowi’s “melons” are too small compared to Tiki’s “melons”.
LOL gdi haven’t they heard of loli love? You’re probably right though. They still could’ve used Olivia or something though.. Tiki’s a kinda weird choice.
Only one week to get 14 Orbs? Lame! On the bright side, the July Quests are coming up, along with more Orbs to earn. I’ll get those Summer Heroes yet! Good thing I have an entire month to do that.
Bring back Light’s Blessings!
Chapter 10 on Lunatic?! Do you have ANY idea how hellish it was, even more than Chapter 9 on Lunatic?! And still no Light’s Blessings?! GODDAMMIT!! Those cheapskates! This is a living hell without Light’s Blessings, I am NOT spending my Orbs to heal my Units, EVER!
Well, I’m sold on this game now. Robin’s in it, which practically guarantees a unique sword-and-tome moveset (ala Takakage Kobayakawa from SW4).
Of course, I was already sold after seeing Marth’s moveset in the demo. His is easily one of the best so far (better than Zelda’s Rapier moveset in Hyrule Warriors).
I personally have an Elibe bias but, knowing that this game most likely won’t feature characters that aren’t connected to Archanea in some way (different continent or different time; but still technically part of the same WORLD as Archanea), I’m still hoping for the two main characters of Gaiden/Echoes (Alm & Celica) in addition to Camus/Zeke & Walhart.
Only 8% for Rowan × Liana at the moment? Surrounded, but not surrendered!
And the winner of the War of the Clerics is…ELISE!
Yes, I knew Elise will win! Way to go, Nohrian Princess!
As for the next Tempest Gauntlet, I see that the characters from Fire Emblem Echoes are next. But wait! …What, no Celica?! That’s lame! We get to see Alm, but not Celica?! Weaksauce!
I was also really disappointed that Celica wasn’t featured. I was so excited to pull her and she’s one of my best heroes!
yeah wtf my celica is lv39… and the only other one I have is clair. and a 4* lucas.
Yeah, I have only an untouched 4* Clair, and grinding my way up wasn’t exactly a fun time when I had the bonus units. Still, as unpleasant as they are, I still kind of feel the rewards make it worth it
lol I just summoned 1 red unit from the alm banner and got alm. he’s lv 30 now.
Oh GREAT, now I have a dilemma! Which will I summon, Alm or any of the Ylissean Summer Heroes?! God, I hate it when that happens!
Well, I better save my stamina potions for this next Tempest Trials.
I can see from his pose that Tobin is a Sword user.
You noticed from the pose, and not the little red sword icon?
Yes… it because the image with the red sword icon somehow did not appear to me. After I posted, the image appeared.
So we have an archer Faye but not an archer Tobin? Alright then. I kind of doubt he’ll stand out among the g ‘ll ut of sword users in the game. I’m a little disappointed (and it’s not like Tobin would’ve been my pick for the next Echoes character)
Yeah… I am little disappoited too. In my opinion, the special unit for this Tempest Trial should had be Conrad, instead of Tobin. Oh well… at least I hope that Tobin have some special or passive skills, different from Masked Lucina who only had her sword.
Ooh Conrad would have been perfect! Maybe Clive if they must, or Valbar if they want to inject a little unit diversity. But definitely Conrad
lets hope for a tempest trial themed with celica in the latter half of this month.if it happens that will DEFINETLY have conrad
oh great I only have celica and clair.
Welp, I only have Clair and Sharena for the 20% bonus and nobody for the 40%. I didn’t summon on the summer banner, so I’ll give this SoV banner a shot, see if anything turns up. I don’t have a great track record for Focus units, though.
I was in the same boat… untill this morning.
I suddenly had like, 38 orbs. so even though I wasn’t interested, I decided to summon 1 red orb.
turns out it was 5* alm. which will go well with my 5* lv 39 celica. he is currently lv 30.
Hmm what did you guys think about the new gauntlet system? It was more … on edge and all, but it felt kind of unfair, or like it always has to be a tie now no matter what. Which kinda took out the fun for me. Everyone was always tying, and aside from that, Sakura and Elise had a way larger score than the other match-ups in the first round, but still tied with the others going forth. I don’t know if the score multiplier works when it’s “Same” but it’s still a bit boring this way to me. I would’ve liked to see how this one turned out for real since there wasn’t an obvious winner here.
;; Wow this made me realize I don’t have even one Echoes character.
People were getting sick of the landslide victories from the previous gauntlets, and IS hasn’t yet seemed to clue in on the fact that as long as someone from Fates/Awakening is included- they are going to win.
Ike, Hector, and Lyn are the only ones who stand a snowball’s chance in hell to ever win against the newer generations.
I understand, but it is called a “VOTING Gaunlet”, so, isn’t it only logical if the more popular one is the victor? The way it is now may as well be luck-based it seems. It’s really easy to win the gauntlet battles, so it’s not as though they can measure it according to wins/losses like Splatoon did.
Given that Tharja and Elise still won, pretty sure it still reflects the most popular character.
Although there is a hidden layer of strategy of saving your flags to make the most of the losing bonus.
Yeah, but Elise and Sakura had more than double the scores of all the other matchups at the beginning, so the fact it was a close tie and that Elise was losing half the time in the final round, shows how flawed the system is in my opinion.
Although, really- IS just needs to choose better characters and matchups- instead of pitting Usain Bolt against 90 year-old war veterans with missing legs and pretending Sgt. Limpy Stubbs has a chance.
I can agree with that, I’d rather have it that way as well. So I can just pick who I like, instead of having to factor in, “but if this character I like wins, then everyone’s going to whine that ‘SHE WON BC BOOBS'”
Okay, hold up. Tobin, out of all the characters from Fire Emblem Echoes, they picked Tobin? He’s not even THAT powerful! Masked Knight/Conrad is all powerful! It’s bad enough that Celica wasn’t featured, but they should’ve picked Conrad as a powerful hero reward, so why Tobin of all characters from Echoes?!
lets hope the NEXT trials include celica. THEN get conrad.
Glad Elise won love that Awakening/Fates are continuing this awesome streak! 🙂
It sucks that I can’t get Alm nor Celica, but at least I can get more Orbs, yet I’m still in a dilemma of which heroes should I summon, Alm or the Ylissean Summer Heroes?! Talk about “unfair”!
I’m going with Summer heroes with the few orbs I have since there is a chance of getting Alm normally and they are purely temporary, or probably at best once a year.
That Lethe card looks great! I want it!
Finally, I have beaten Clarisse on Infernal Mode, with my 4-Star Olivia, my 4-Star Donnel, my 4-Star Ursula, and finally, my 5-Star Xander that I just unlocked! Suck it, Legion on Infernal Mode!
just posting, but I just summoned 1 hero cause why not? and I got 5* alm. and I already have celica.
I really wonder where the HELL did all those light’s blessings went to… I’d rather have that then the 100 feathers.
So we get Warpriest Lissa then, it’s not entirely unexpected.
Saw this coming very obvious logical choices so pretty much Sakura and Elise will get their promoted weapon type and obvious cross healing sister supports with Lissa too that’ll be fun!
*Casually waits for alts to be confirmed because I want Male Corrin and Female Robin really badly.*
” so the surprise has been slightly ruined. “
“surprise”
Now we just have to wait for the obvious SD reveals and //maybe// we can get to some actual surprises
at what point in the creation of this game did any of this seem like a good idea
Probably the point where they all got drunk.
What do you mean? It’s going a pretty basic path right now.
Actually, if you pay close attention, the scenes with Lissa wielding an axe have her in her War Cleric outfit, while her introduction has her in her starting Cleric outfit.
There’s a problem with the trailer… no Laura Bailey ;_;
I got a 4 stars Boey from this banner… Oh well…
I knew the main Shepherds, Male Robin, Lissa, Frederick, and “Marth” (a.k.a. Lucina), would be confirmed. I wonder if the other main Hoshidan army (Hinoka, Takumi, and Sakura) and Nohrian army (Camilla, Leo, and Elise) would join?
Maybe… probably both royal families from Fates will be in the game, and Azura as well. Azura can be a interesting playable unit, swinging her lance as she dance on the battlefield.
At last, after a few tries, I have beaten the devastating Squad Assault! But I fear that there’s more to come in the future.
Also, no, I am NOT spending all my stamina potions on the Chain Challenge, because I am spending THOSE potions on the next Tempest Trials!
Moey lol I guess thats Mae’s prank on Boey.
Indeed. 😛
Or what we call their ending
Okay, what the hell?! It’s supposed to be named “Bond Hero Battle”, not “Bound Hero Battle”! How could they made such a simple typo?! Bunch of amateurs! Oh, and speaking of typos, Kirie, you misspelled “Boey”! Please fix it?!
(Sigh) Whatever, moving on! Of course they added Infernal mode for this battle against Alm and Celica! Jeez, earning new heroes from Infernal Grand Hero Battle is one thing, but beating Infernal Bond (excuse me, “Bound”) Hero Battle to earn the Orbs?! My God, have mercy, why don’t you, game?!
I did get the name fixed, thanks. I think the use of “Bound” in the name of the event is to reference the fact that the characters are bound together by fate. It has a very similar meaning in theme, just functioning as an adjective instead of “bond” which is a noun.
If you think you’re going to be figuratively banging your head against a wall trying to attempt Lunatic/Infernal, just wait for other people to do it, watch some video’s, ask for ideas, and see if you can’t get any inspiration from that. Even if you don’t have the exact same units, strategies can often be executed for the most part with comparable units as substitutes.
Heroes has been a lot of chokepoints and waves of enemies lately. I don’t know there are other ways to create difficulty in a game like this, but I’m definitely struggling to enjoy myself, and I’m more than well enough equipped to deal with what it’s been throwing at me.
Fire Emblem Heroes: Banners of Valentia
Sort of annoying that all the heroes from both these banners were available recently from the Echoes banners. Plus the Fury banner is super weak.
I swear, if they don’t have Alm and Celica and the like… they’re part of the same world as Marth’s, so they should be…
Yes, I have beaten Hard, Lunatic, and that devilish Infernal modes of the “Bound Hero Battle” against Alm and Celica! All thanks to the video that I watched earlier today! And yet, from the new Tempest Trials Banner, THIS GAME STILL WON’T LET ME SUMMON ALM!!
So far, finding the Trials easier than last time to get through, with the big exception of the final map. I really, really lack the units to dispose of Celica safely and efficiently, and it kinda sucks. I’ve been having to fall back on a second team on that map on each of my runs so far, and that kinda poops on my score a little. It doesn’t help I’m stuck using Sharena to even have a score bonus, because despite trying, my luck on the banner for the 40% bonus units ahs been absolute garbage.
I’ve been able to bait Celica with most blue mages from the defensive tile. Primarily, I’ve used 4* cavalry buffed Ursula. I don’t know if that’s something people can easily employ. My vaunted F2P horse lineup has not had any difficulties, though I have been forced to forego the bonus. Still, I’m hitting 504 without issue and do plan to go for 99,999 again. Gotta get every orb I can.
I haven’t played it enough to know for sure, but there might be an exploitable AI pattern for this final map too (there was for the last Trial. Not attacking the armor right away would prevent Veronica and friend from descending for a couple of turns)
Yeah, I *think* you’re right. I’m not entirely sure, but I think this time it’s the ranged attacker on the far left of the map that’s the trigger for Celica to move on turn one. If you don’t bother them, she moves on turn 2 instead. This means you can try and bait the cavalry unit on the far right instead, and potentially dispose of them for free, provided you have the right units for the job.
Perhaps that Res +1 could help with the new ploy skills? Even one point ahead is enough to proc them. So just a thought.
Huh, so the final boss for the final map of this Tempest Trial is not Veronica, it’s Celica. Unfortunately, Celica is as ridiculously overpowered as Veronica was! Dammit!
The only good thing is that whenever my 4 characters die, the enemies that I’ve defeated stay defeated! So it’s showing me a little mercy for once.
Good Celica is way stronger!
“Clueless One”? Poor Tobin…
Seriously, Tobin is not even THAT powerful! No wonder he’s called the “Clueless One”.
The final boss of this Tempest Trial should had be Berkut, and then Berkut should appear as a Grand Hero Battle after the Trial ends.
Another lance cavalier in the GHB? Possibly. But idk, aren’t we getting Linus first? (And so another crappy axe user…)
Probably not this time, as Legion ghb just happened.
Maybe we finally get a mage GHB again.
Well… Berkut is coming!
Still waiting on a Nichol card…RIP
Where is Soleil? 🙁
A damn shame…
Ohshi- We actually do have a Soleil art for this set that somehow eclipsed me. I’ll get it added in now!
To nitpick a little bit, it’s Velouria not Velour (though autocorrect did try to change that on me) and Kana instead of Kanna. If that’s too much, feel free to ignore me.
As for the art, like the Kanas a lot as well as the Shigure/Azura art, however, as much as I loved Future Past probably more than Awakening, I don’t ever want to hear about Heirs of Fate again
They were using the Jap names
edit: Then again they used Selkie instead of Kinu. Idk anymore lol
I have a bad habit of using the Japanese names accidentally because Fates was the first FE game for which I actively followed the Japanese release (and especially the children characters since I don’t really use them in play like I do first gen).
Funnily enough, Kinu/Selkie is usually the one that I’m WORST at (often I can’t even remember what her English name even is), which of course means that I was extra careful to make sure I used the English name in the article. I didn’t even realize I was wrong with the others.
I sometimes try to point out things like that so people know, but it really wouldn’t have been a big deal if you’d just ignored me. Besides, your articles are always such high quality anyway that I don’t usually see even things little like this.
I also tend to ignore the children in Fates. Corrin having a child is not nearly as adorable as Robin having a child
Hah, I actually like it when people correct me so I can fix things. 🙂 Constructive criticism is always useful!
Baha thanks for answering, that’s pretty funny. Mainly the Selkie part. I had that issue too, especially that I couldn’t get myself to stop calling Leo “Leon” even though it’s only one letter off.
Wow, these look AWESOME! Lucina with a bow, and that special move Robin did with those 4 magical circles was just BEAUTIFUL!
Lucina looking awesome! Also DA sweet!
Just come out outside of japan already.
They don’t need massive store space: just sell em on anazon.
I already happen to have both Sanaki and Nino at 5-stars myself, but this is a really good banner. All these units are at least good, and Nino is excellent.
This is the first time I have all the Heroes of a banner already, and that’s amazing! Too bad I already blew my Orbs on the Tempest banner (and haven’t gotten a single 5-Star, let alone a Focus Hero, come on RNGesus…)
Lol same have all these girls
Sanaki is the only character from this new banner that I never summoned, so I might as well try to summon her. But then again, I’m desperately still spending Orbs to summon Alm from that new Tempest Trials banner, and I’m STILL FAILING TO DO SO, GODDAMMIT!!
I think my 4* Nino is -Atk, but she still kills everyone. I have Corrin but don’t use her. Sanaki is the only one I’m missing.
Hahahahahaha, look at them trying so desperately to get me to spend my Orbs. Too bad for them I already have Female Corrin and 5-Star Sanaki, and I don’t particularly feel the need to get Nino. Now if it was a “Heroes with Galeforce” Focus…
I think the best unit to have in the final map is Azura, specially if she has distant counter.
If only I had lots of Hectors around I could give her distant counter.
This might sound strange, probably, but she should be the best red mage counter due to high res and gem weapon.
Oh GREAT, a special event to interrupt the Tempest Trials! Then again, I MUST get those Orbs by completing these maps! But oh boy, those characters are too OP! At least there’s no Lunatic or even worse: Infernal!
And what do we have here? Gasp, it’s Lord Berkut, a villain from Fire Emblem Echoes! …No doubt this next Grand Hero Battle will also have that dreaded Infernal mode, guaranteed! Christ!
This game just keeps trolling me! It just doesn’t want me to get Alm! Oh, do NOT tell me that I’M HAVING MY WORST LUCK YET!!
Kotaro maps done, pretty easy, but alongside the quests, hey, I’ll take the 12 free orbs. Don’t feel like summoning off any of the current banners right now, so I get to stockpile orbs for a change.
Daily quests kinda came out of nowhere. But in my daily FEH routine, I clear all those quests anyway, so hey, more free stuff.
And then there’s Berkut. Really cool. Gonna be interesting to see what sort of skills he runs and what his stat spread will be. I guess they’ll give him his personal lance from his last battle in SoV (watch it be another Distant Counter weapon). But beyond that? Who knows?
AHHHH!!! Berkut! So excited! I definitely expect to make him a 5*! I actually can’t wait
Didn’t see THAT coming great surprise!
Okay, NOW I’m stuck at Part 4 Hard mode! Isn’t there ANY video about how to beat these stages WITHOUT THOSE GODDAMN HACKS WITH THEIR AZURA AND HECTOR AND WHAT NOT?!
Lucina’s moveset looks familiar; in fact, I say that it looks a lot like Chrom’s!
Like father, like daughter. 🙂
The fact both Mathilda and Gray are wielding weapons that are effective against cavalry makes me think that Nintendo has taken notice of the Horse Emblem teams in the area.
It looks like Clive is being added as well, assuming that’s him in the story chapter showcase.
About time; if I never see another Reinhardt in the arena, it will be too soon.
I thought that was Clive in the story chapter. I don’t think the Ridersbane or Zanbato will be strong enough in PvP, since my Reinhardt can just blow them up before they get to me, but I just know Mathilda is going to make future Tempest Trials and stuff miserable for my horses (like the random panic ploys now). Ridersbane, high move, a skill canceling my triangle adept Cecilia, and probably high res too.
TFW you want literally everyone on both banners.
Well, at least I got most of the summer units. Time to switch focus.
Clive hero Battle coming soon?
Most likely.
Lol dark aura.
Guess you are being outclassed as a buffer, erika.
Not by definition, as Dark Aura cannot buff wielders of Bows or Tomes at all. So it doesn’t actually synergize with Blade tomes, who’d otherwise seem like the obvious recipients of the buff.
I’m sure someone with the money and the luck will build a four mage dark aura team or something (three mage, two mage?). I don’t know what that will look like yet, or if would be better than straight blade I guess.
Dark Aura is exclusive to Delthea, so I doubt that’s ever gonna happen. And again, with Dark Aura, you don’t really want to have more tome wielders, because the tome won’t buff those units. So then the effect would kinda get wasted.
Ah! You’re right! No “+” and only melee. I should pay closer attention when I read
I can’t believe I blew over 100 Orbs on the Tempest Banner just before this happened! Guess I’m maxing out the Tempest Trial rewards after all…
P.S. I sense a Masked Knight GHB?
You mean Conrad?
shhh thats a spoiler
Why bother not knowing who that Masked Knight really is? That’s totally predictable.
its still a spoiler for those that have not played echoes.
though I guess echoes is old news now…
Glad to see more Echoes characters, especially Saber and Sonya. Still hoping for Conrad at some point, and maybe they’ll pivot back to Sacred Stones or Tellius soon
An important thing to note about Cancel Affinity: it works ONLY if the opponent has Triangle Adept, as the skill says ”granted by unit/foe’s skills”. Otherwise, ”reverses the weapon triangle when at a disadvantage” would be extremely broken.
I also hope the skill isn’t heritable by colorless units. Otherwise that means colorless units such as Bridal Cordelia will in turn break the game in half.
Not quite. Running cancel affinity on bridelia means you can’t go quad shenanigans with life and death. I can’t see how one unit having WTA against raven users busts the meta in any way.
Firesweep Bridelia is also a thing I commonly see. It’ll get the better end of the stick as it already doesn’t care about enemy counterattacks (usually lethal ones, ESPECIALLY when running LnD) and essentially gets a flat damage boost, on top of not having to suffer a speed penalty.
It’s also not about having the triangle advantage as much as it’s cancelling out the niche that Raven users bring against colorless units in general, since they otherwise don’t particularly suffer against one color, unlike Reinhardt of all people. Takumi used to be broken for that reason alongside Skill Inheritance not being a thing, and this is what you can potentially get with Cancel Affinity. A Raven tome in itself is generally not enough to stop a Bridelia; that’s how good she is.
You’re missing the point entirely; Raven Adept users are the niche counter to colorless units being equally effective against the entire cast, and that’s why you even see them in high-tier arena in the first place. Cancel Affinity can now reverse that, as a Raven tome in itself already fails to stop Bridelia due to her sheer offensive power. FIresweep is also a thing she runs.
Didn’t see this coming now I must try to get Mathilda, Delthea, Sonya and Saber!!!!!
Okay, stop it! Just STOP IT! Stop forcing me to choose which Heroes should I summon! First the Ylissean Summer Heroes, then Alm, and now these other new characters from Fire Emblem Echoes! You’re making me feel like crap already! GOD!!
Good god Sonya what did they do to you……
Ignoring how horrific Sonya now looks for the sake of giving teenage boys hard ons though Im very happy to see more sov characters. A little randomish picks though? I would expect Delthea and Mathilda to come in with Luthier and Clive. And Leon is perfect as expected. With Virion, Niles, and now Leon if I can draw him I’ll only need one more sassy archer lmao. Mad I blew 40 orbs yesterday trying to get beach Fredrick OTL
I got Summer Tiki so…Echoes’ banner it is.
I played Chapter 12, and son of a b****, we were SO close to finding out Prince Bruno’s true identity. But nope, they ended in a cliffhanger, what a joke!
Now, where was I? Oh yeah, SON OF A B****!! I wasted almost ALL of my Orbs, and I did NOT get a single character from either Alm’s army nor Celica’s army! WHY?! Why can’t I ever get those new heroes?! WHY IS THIS GAME STILL TROLLING ME WITH THOSE SAME WEAK HEROES?! WHYYYYYYY?!?!
Yeah, I don’t particularly like this whole 3-special-Heroes-at-a-time thing either, considering how, you know, we’re at like over 100 Units you can Summon if you count different-Star versions of Heroes as separate entries, and your chances of getting what you’re really after only go up like .5% at best for every 20 Orbs you blow out IF you didn’t end up getting a 5-Star you didn’t want(thanks a ton for ruining my Bridelia hunt, Sanaki). I’m still trying to find Hector so I can give my Roy Distant Counter because I don’t really want anyone but Roy, for example, but with all the new Units it’s only going to get worse for me. Plus, I’m reasonably certain the game is sentient and thrives off of disappointment and pain, so that factors in.
Yeah, I mentioned a few times before that I’d like to see them diversify the rarities of some of the characters. Just adding more 5* and new skills exclusive to those fives is just increasing the rarity of any given 5*. No one really has any realistic chance of getting someone they want without significant investment, and creativity suffers too.
It’s not the most orb-efficient, but pulling only from the colours of your desired unit does increase your chances of getting them. Your 5 star chance goes up all the time, and if you effectively negate the majority of the characters you don’t want, the odds get a nudge in your favour.
goddamit 40 orbs in on just blues and no delthia.
on the bright side, did get a 4* atk+ reinhardt
I had 17 orbs, and I got Delthea and Lyn (both 5 stars). I am happy, but I still want to get Gray.
Now I have Mathilda too.
I don’t think I’m going to pull after all. I just don’t like my odds, even with the mountain of orbs they’ve given us. Besides, I feel like I used all of my good karma pulling Katerina (and I love her dearly). I’m more interested in Berkut, Clive, and Conrad, and it looks like they’ll just give them to me for free (Hero Battles). At least, I’m hoping. Also, Saber is a beautiful man, and his art has unfortunately robbed us of that.
Got Mathilda and Sonya all I wanted!!!
Robin IS holding Nosferatu (or something that looks like it) in the picture you show, however if you look at the picture where Robin is in front of a burning building/castle (see here https://www.gamecity.ne.jp/fe/img/character/ss/chara08_02.jpg ), you can see the top of the tome he is carrying, and that tome is different to Nosferatu and looks a lot like Brynhildr! See the black blobs at the top!
Thanks yeah, sorry I had a really bad hiccup there >.<
No worries! ^.^ Great article though, I love reading all your FE Warriors updates–I’m so hyped for this game!
Thanks! I’m glad to hear that honestly.
You’re looking at the wrong robin pic, (someone has already replied with it), and it does look like he’s holding Leo’s tome.
Yeah fixed, sorry it was late.
Hmm, only one weapon per character might mean a lot more characters I’m the game. Here’s hoping for that.
This is just a slight quirk for me, but I always disliked when game artwork mimics the artworks of another game (in Robin’s case, his is from Smash 4, since he didn’t have a solo artwork in Awakening). It’s a great call-back, sure, but I like seeing artists have fun with their work as well.
GHB looks tough. Look at the combined attack range of all those enemies! So, anyone got a plan brewing already? At the very least, I have my start envisioned. I gave Michalis Lancebreaker, and so long as the Bow Cav doesn’t bring him below 50% HP (thank you Iote’s Shield!), with the Attack+1 seal, he will just barely one-round Berkut, also barring a ward for fortify skill from that same Bow Cav. Needless to say, I think a LOT can go wrong here…
Great, they’re giving us Forest Crossroads. I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come: creating difficulty by separating your units to prevents buffing (which I do a ton of).
I think we might be able to steal it with careful use of the defense tiles, but honestly, based on what I’m hearing about his kit and stats, it doesn’t sound like he’s going to be any good (true to Echoes then). If that’s the case, then I really only need him as a collectable, so I probably won’t kill myself on infernal. I’ll bet the infernal battle will have the horses buffed out of their mind (like Camus’ fight) too, so I’m looking forward to seeing if the community can beat it with the free units (3* or 4*).
If we can somehow get ourselves damaged early on during player phase, it should be easy enough to circumvent the separation problem by teleporting away with Wings of Mercy and the like, at the cost of aggroing the enemy (if they don’t already aggro, which is usually not the case). Some Reposition/Draw Back shenanigans can also be used on the right side to get around the gigantic attack range as I see it.
Oh FANTASTIC, yet another Grand Hero Battle that will surely give me a hard time, especially that irritating Infernal mode!
I thought you quit…?
I did quit, I quit summoning, because the game keeps trolling me.
Well, I beat Lord Berkut, and now he’s mine. But by God, was that SoB too difficult?! I especially hate Infernal mode!
‘Cause Horse Emblem wasn’t enough of a pain yet, right? Though I suppose it’s not too bad, seeing as these three for the most part aren’t really top-tier. Or to put it another way, I’m just really glad Reinhardt isn’t on here.
Its also nice to have the prime Reinhardt Counter in there. Titania may be not so good but she has the niche of being the one thing that can’t be one-shot by Reinhardt and kill him on player phase/enemy phase if you gave her Distant Counter
pfft. why use distant counter on her when you have hector?
…because Hector gets one shot by Quickened Pulse Moonbow Horse Cavalry Buffed Reinhardt and Titania doesn’t?
I mean, yes, Hector is better in general but he’s no Reinhardt counter.
I would recommend Cecilia as a Reinhardt counter, especially with Triangle Adept. That or Julia, if you don’t want a horse, but Cecilia is much easier to acquire
Pass! As much as I’d like to get Titania and/or Olwen (because I already got Eldigan), this game just won’t let me summon those powerful heroes anymore, only weaker ones such as that old coot Wrys!
what’s wrong with being into Japanese stuff?
Awakening and Fates only gives me despair…
Same
I’m actually quite glad they don’t disgrace any decent FE in this DW game… yet.
I love Awakening/Fates don’t hate….
Hopefully there will be more reveals. They definitely have been much quieter than when HW was coming out.
Yeah, and Koei-Tecmo usually isn’t this quiet in terms of reveals, I think Nintendo is playing a part in how slow this information is coming out.
Xu Huang voiced by Kyle Herbert kicks ass with an Axe glitch.
Frederick also voiced by Kyle Herbert ass kicked by a loli welding an Axe glitch.
May not be a glitch since some characters in DW games get characters stuck on their axes in combat.
Xu Huang’s Axe grabbing opponent techniques is part of his weapon’s strength. It bypasses through block and super armor too, makes it more fun to use since even Lu Bu gets swung around.
Not sure if I have Klein.. Have Subaki and I think Leo.
Klien is good, but as a 4* pull for Death Blow 3.
The game seems awesome, but I prefer the original English dub from
Awakening and Fates (as the only character that doesn’t belong to this
group is Marth and is dubbed by the same person…).
Also, as the
rest, I hope we get new characters soon (in my case, I want Roy,
Walhart and Garon… I hope SSB popularity makes a chance for Roy (Roy’s
our boy! :D)).
Didn’t know that was you who made them. Thanks for the cool vids!
Hi, just wanted to say that I’ve very much enjoyed following the series. It’s highlighted just one of the many ways that show how much thought went into the creation of the game, even if you wouldn’t necessarily see this normally. Thanks for the neat work :).
Reminds me of Shesez’s content. Always fun to explore places you’re not supposed to be in.
Oh, WHO CARES?! This game has trolled me for the last time, I’m done summoning!
Only Klein. Other than that, I better wait out for the next batch of heroes.
Oh, hey, a GHB revival. And then they added Infernal difficulty as well, eh? I can only imagine that the GHB’s for Xander and Camus will follow suit in the near future, since those are the only GHB we haven’t had again before they added Infernal difficulty to GHB’s in general with Legion’s GHB. Well, an extra copy of Lloyd and 2K feathers? Can’t complain. Now let’s see how I’m going to do this…
Quite interesting. I can’t imagine why they’d put in this kind of detail and then not use it. I can only guess they had planned for more exploration and cut it out, which would be a shame if that is what happened.
FAN-F***ING-TASTIC. they added Infernal mode in the Lloyd Grand Hero Battle Revival! They just love adding insult to injury, don’t they?!
Surprised they weren’t nominated for their Echoes roles, since they actually had lines to voice, not some quick little saying.
Echoes was released this year not 2016, & they were selected because of other performances & not just Fire Emblem.
Oh ok. Perhaps I should’ve read this more thoroughly.
Next year, Echoes will probably get a lot of nominations.
I demand Berkut getting recognition!
Why the hell is Yuri Lowenthal not part of this?
You know what?! I am done with this game! It won’t let me summon any more powerful Heroes! It keeps trolling me with Heroes that are weak AF, and I am sick of it! SCREW…THIS…GAME!!
The word could have been “joust”? It can also describe fighting in general, and is more brutal than sparring, though still not with the intent of killing the opponent.
What about dueling?
It let me pre order tiki earlier on July 17th.
It was available earlier today too, its just changed for the time being as noted.
I can’t wait to hear Matt Mercer yell at himself! 😀
I suspect that Matt Mercer probably recorded it (will record?) with him doing one character then doing it again as the other as oppose to going straight through the script. But like others, I look forward to hearing Matt yell at himself! XD
Welp, if I got up that early, I’d turn into a figurative zombie, so I’ll just catch that later the same day.
Aw man. I hope there’s something else interesting to look forward to. I don’t really care about any of those characters;
Please gimme Amelia so Feh can become less Meh.
NEVER expected an english version that’ll be INTERESTING
In regards to the struggle for finding a word for “Martial arts posture, probably referring to how Ryouma holds and wields his sword” I feel that the word ‘form’ might be a good fit for conveying the right message.
Well, THIS changes everything! I’m going back in the game! Now this game will have to let me summon more powerful heroes, especially with a free summon and by summoning the 4-Star heroes!
My God, so many cool features! The Grand Hero Battle against Valter, the villain from “Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones”! It looks like “The Sacred Stones” is getting more love for once. But, the one game that’s getting even more love is “Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia”, because a new Tempest Trials will continue with the characters from Fire Emblem Echoes, including Clive. (Sigh) No Masked Knight/Conrad, though, but hey, Clive is cool, so much better than Tobin. But, with Alm and Celica fighting together, who will be the boss for the final map of this Tempest Trial? Is it Veronica again, or maybe…Berkut?! Guess I’ll find out soon enough.
And then there are more Summer Heroes, and this time it’s the characters from “Fire Emblem Fates: Conquest”, starring the Female Corrin, Leo, Elise, and Xander…again! What, no Camilla?! Booooooo!
Also, this game will have a total of 159 characters?! Jeez!
Well, that’s all for now, and like I said, I’m going back in the game! …I’m back, baby!
Probably the biggest update by far, IS really seems to be listening to
the criticism especially about Tempest Trials. Rip wallet for the 2nd
summer fest and hero banner tho lol
Sigh, must resist Nohrian Summer…Hero Fest coming….not resisting well (especially flying tome Corrin)…
But these new updates are really cool. Can’t wait for Valter and while I would’ve preferred Conrad as the new Tempest Trial prize, Clive is cool enough.
Small typo: “The best part…Stamina and Dueling Crests are necessary.” Should say ‘aren’t’ necessary.
Anyway, Valter wields the Cursed Lance. That’s pretty cool. What not everyone may realize is that this lance, even though Valter never wields it in Sacred Stones, IS actually canon. It’s really neat attention to detail. I wonder how many people know what I’m referring to here…
Lots of awesome features, quite excited for all this.
I’m actually not quite sure what you mean by common. I thought it referred to part of Valter’s backstory (as heard in a Duessel support I don’t remember)
I just realized I made a typo. I meant to write ‘canon’. Not sure how that happened, but I’ve fixed that now. And yes, that backstory is what I’m referring to, it’s in the support conversation between Duessel and Cormag.
Ahhhh no worries. I just thought you knew something I didn’t. Hopefully this is the start of a bunch of Grand Hero Battles featuring Grado’s generals.
I think with Valter showing up now, a Caellach GHB seems inevitable for the not-too-distant future. …Then again, considering we got Lloyd, but not Linus yet, who really knows? I feel like Riev would come later down the line.
I don’t expect it, but sword wyvern Glen would be a way to add some variety (especially if they give him hone fliers since I’ll probably never pull a Hinoka, much less two)
Yes, that would also be really cool. We have only two Sword Fliers right now, and neither Palla nor Caeda is very good, so it would be nice to have that pool of units increased.
RIP money
More fates love=good love
Awakening/Fates love is good love!
Unless you REALLY want these characters, I would hold off summoning for now. We have Hero Fest 2 in around 2 weeks, and this banner has the longest life span ever (33 days!). We have to be patient, but I bet the rewards will be worth it.
Yeah, I agree. Early reviews suggest Corrin and possibly Xander could be quite good, but since this banner is around for so long, it’s worth waiting to see what else we get, especially since Hero Fest offers better odds.
Lucina x Marth, no question.
As much as I would summon these new Summer Heroes, I’ll have to save those Orbs for the Hero Fest, including a free summoning for each and every new banner that comes out.
Also, I played the next Paralogue, and Jesus Christ, Anna was nutz when she wanted to take pictures of these Summer Heroes, but then she got denied by the other Anna.
I got Corrin in my first try, and she is the only hero I want from this banner. Maybe in the last week I will try again for Elise or Xander, but for now I prefer keep my Orbs for Celica or the Hero Fest Banner.
120+ Orbs and still no Banners worth spending them on…what’s a hoarding RoyBoy© to do?
Wait till the 7th and your boy will be back!
Problem is I already have a 5S Roy and my devotion isn’t quite high enough to go for a full Roy Team yet. Probably just going to hang on until the Hero Fest 2.0.
Soren X Roy, oh wait, the game only supports new fans x_x.
These guys know how to keep the game interesting, great job! One of the first mobile games that is worth to really play
About time! Love her one of my favorite in my list of Fates waifu!
Sentinel Prime voice: “ONLY 5?!” (I swear we used to get 10 for these…)
But hey, I’m always up for more Orbs. Thanks, ‘Murrika!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAYESFINALLYIWait…no release date? Well, frick.
for all those compaining about the amount of free orbs: FE heroes is literally the most generous geicha game out there in terms of both contend, user feedback, and its treatment of F2P players… even F2P players can clear the hardest of maps with enought thought. just stay away from arena rank 20.
It’s honestly kind of insane how generous this game is, and it’s becoming *increasingly* so… SOMEHOW. I have absolutely no idea how they’re doing it and yet the game is still raking in a ton of money. I’m really impressed by the work the devs have put into this game since it launched. I was super skeptical when it was first revealed, but I’ve made a complete 180 since. I’ve been playing fully F2P since day 1 and it’s never felt unfair. With enough time investment, some good choices and the right tactics, you really can clear anything, regardless of your luck with summons, even without spending any money (I mean, if all the 3/4-star F2P-unit-only videos of the GHB’s are any indication).
In fact, it’s come to the point where I’m actually seriously considering paying some money for this game just out of respect and support. Just a one-time thing, but it’s something. Something I definitely would never have expected myself to say about a game like this. Ever. But here I am.
Lol those poor guys not a chance anyway this will likely go to Corrin(F) or Elise (if she can win)
They could’ve at least tried to mix the matchups between the two banners
IIRC, in an interview they said the Fates characters would be from at/before the route split
Oh the irony… I finalled pulled on the Ylissean summer banner, trying for all of them, but especially wanting to get summer Freddy and Tiki. I got Freddy and Gaius. Who are up against each other in the first round…
Well, gonna stick to my Freddy for the first round then.
If we’re to assume that they really have their respective weapons at the point they enter the story, than Corrin having Yato would mean it’d have to be at the route split at least.
i think the only interesting part is the first round.
since this is about beach theme the winner should be female character since majority of player are male. And the semi-finals willl be won by Fates character because it has more fanbases in terms of fan service,
State your bets, which summer waifu is gonna win?
Female Corrin, that’s a no brainer.
Unless Titki beats her, which is a possibility… T&A factor FTW, unfortunately.
I disagree, kid.
Tough luck, kid, Tiki lost.
Oh, I was on Corrin’s team (still am, as she won, so duh) but I was pointing out the fact that T&A could tip the balance. Glad the players aren’t THAT bone(r)headed… oh wait… all the high-rated/popular characters are/were bikini babes… I guess the balance was tipped to all sides (ok, just Tiki, Robin, and Corrin, but not really the point, I think I’m just picking at nits now, trying to make this as long as possible [remind you of anything with all that almost bare T&A? (insert lenny face here)], so I’m going to shut up now…)
Um, Kirie, you might need to fix the August Quests awards parts 2 and 3, because that doesn’t look right.
Yeah, I actually just got back from fixing Part 3; I was going on auto-pilot. 😛 What’s wrong with Part 2 though? Unless I’m missing something silly, they’re all the same to me.
Hmm could be that they still have a “July” heading, but that’s not a significant issue
Haha, thanks for the correction. 🙂 I was so busy scanning the tables trying to find the problem that I forgot to look at the headings!
Rewards galore.
I wonder if the two Robins come from different universes/ versions of Awakening (and aren’t just skins of one another). If so I look forward to their Supports (because come on, they HAVE to have Supports!)
…and seeing one Robin freak out at someone flirting with the other or something, especially if it’s another Awakening character.
Saw Cordelia coming MILES away also male Corrins will obviously come which I’m glad!
Female Corrin wins the end
Is there any indication that Female Robin will be a seperate character from Male Robin, or will they be alternate costumes for an overarching “Robin” character?
According to the interview itself Female Robin is only allowed outside the main story maps. She plays no plot role.
I can’t stand Cordelia but at least it’s finally not a main character I guess
We get Bae?
…hm…perhaps I can stomach not having Roy after all…
Finally, more Light’s Blessings! It’s about time this game brought those back!
If only I could play the original in english…
Then we can look forward to Vestaria Saga Echoes in maybe a few years. 😀
M-maybe FE warriors 3ds will be a different game with snes/gba/echoes cast…
I’ll do you a favor and cut that thread of hope for you. It’s not going to happen…as much as I would like it to.
This announcement seriously made my day. Female Robin confirmed playable, with Cordelia to boot?! YES!!!
It does raise into question if Male Corrin will be joining, which seems likely at this point. Also how the Robins and assumed Corrins will work, with them either being selectable skins or standalone characters.
Just translate it to english kaga…
Oh my gosh can they please use this as an excuse to finally make a female Robin amiibo like they did for Chrom?? Please..
Maybe we can finally see Chrom and Cordelia support *-*
Awesome news! Permadeath in a musuo game will be interesting; you can’t plan out tactics as far in advance as you can with a strategy title. Interesting! The Pegasus paths are too!
So F Robin is just a costume. Hope they go all-out with the costumes and not just make color variations. Found this to be really lacking in Hyrule warriors.
well, Hyrule Warriors costumes really weren’t anything special. They were just costumes, so you can’t change much. However, these may be alternate characters, so they are definitely gonna give her a different voice, at least.
Was obvious for me male Corrin is pretty much gonna be the same.
Whoa! Look a those interesing mechanics! So full of VARIETY!
Nice, at least this way it’ll be something original instead of a fan service musou game
Honestly, while I am still disappointed about the roster a great amount, the permadeath mechanic really intrigues me. I’ll buy it for sure if it has Takumi, literally the only unit in Fates or Awakening that I like.
Yeah but will Saint Kaga bless us with an English translation of the first one?!
As tempting as it is for me to try and get Minerva… I’m not going to attempt this banner. On the 7th, we’re getting the Hero Fest banner, and I find it likely that at least one more banner with new units is going to come then or soon after as well. In other words, BAIT. I’m keeping my orbs.
Indeed… Although I really want L&D units, I will wait for Hero Fest (and the 1.6 update!)
I’m praying they replace the cavalry banner with a dancers banner, but I think that’s too much as ask…
Hero fest is 10th. On the 7th you get the Roy banner for Lilina and Cecilia battle.
Wait… what…
*Check*
How in the world did I misread that??? I really thought I read correctly that Hero Fest was on the 7th. Welp, thanks for pointing it out anyway. I feel really silly right now.
(Notices that I only have 5 Orbs, and no more Daily Orbs) …FFFFFFFFFFFF-F**K!
So. When are we gonna get some FE1/3 characters? Hopefully it’s soon after this.
I would LOVE to play as Minerva
Those 2 are literally obvious wouldn’t be surprise when their next reveal! I want my wife Cherche to be added so bad!
I’m gonna make the oddball-est of oddball guesses:
Innes the Sniper from Sacred Stones
Selena the Mage Knight from Sacred Stones
Rolf the Archer from Path of Radiance/ Sniper from Radiant Dawn
Dreadlord Draco the Sniper from Genealogy/Thracia/Awakening
Hayden the Ranger from Sacred Stones
Leon the Archer from Gaiden/Shadows of Valentia
Astrid the Bow Knight from Path of Radiance/ Bow Paladin from Radiant Dawn
Reina the Kinshi Knight from Fates
Farina the Pegasus Knight from Blazing Blade
Marcia the Pegasus Knight from Path of Radiance/ Falcon Knight from Radiant Dawn (PLEASE GOD LET THIS ONE BE POSSIBLE)
Emma the Sky Knight from 0 (Cipher) and a bunch of other things
Aversa the Dark Flier from Awakening
Peri the Cavalier from Fates
Jill the Wyvern Rider from Path of Radiance/ Dracoknight from Radiant Dawn
Vaida the Wyvern Lord from Blazing Blade
Scarlet the Wyvern Lord from Fates
Beruka the Wyvern Rider from Fates
Jake the Ballistican from Shadow Dragon
Mist the (promoted) Valkyrie from Path of Radiance/ Radiant Dawn
Ursula the Valkyrie from Blazing Blade
Arete the Strategist from Fates
L’Arachel the Troubador from Sacred Stones
Maribelle the Troubador from Awakening (YES YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES)
Elise the Troubador from Fates
Forrest the Troubador from Fates (SHUT UP HE’S A GIRL)
Yukimura the Mechanist from Fates
Mathilda the Paladin from Shadows of Valentia
Rath the Nomad from Blazing Blade
Sue the Nomad from Binding Blade
Uhai the Nomad Trooper from Blazing Blade
Princess Elincia from Path of Radiance/ Radiant Dawn
As much as I’d like a lot of these options, the devs have already gone on record saying that their focus is Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates, so I really dont’see anyone happening outside of those games.
God DAMN
Why is there such an obsession with those three?
I mean, FFS, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE was just Shadow Dragon and Awakening characters.
Probably because they’re the most popular/well-known titles in the series
If I had to guess, it would be Shadow Dragon because Marth started the whole thing both for Japan and for the rest of us(remember, Melee came out before Blazing Sword), Awakening because the game more or less saved the series for everyone, and Fates…um…I’m sure there was something amazing about Fates besides how rushed it was…give me a minute…
Anyways, just because that’s their focus doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not getting anyone outside of the games, it just means try not to get too hopeful. I mean, I’d love Emma to be the reveal, but she doesn’t technically count as a Fates character despite originally hailing from Hoshido as she was first revealed worldwide and in the games in Echoes, so I’m keeping my expectations low…except for Roy. If we don’t get Roy I’m going to be PISSED.
Roy has little chance. Besides
His popularity in the actual FE community is low.
Btw the reason for SD is twofold. 1. He’s the first for both the west and japan.
2. FE3 remanes the most sold FE game in japan, rivalling LttP sales. Its insane how well FE3 sold.
Fates was a massive success
It’s a situation similar to Hyrule Warriors, where the focus was on Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. Three main games, and they’re doing the same thing here. Any sort of representation for other games in the series will probably be DLC.
Well, you just turned my expectations from hopeful to making this game a straight-up pass.
I’m all in for Camilla and Takumi from Fates!
Or Sumia from Awakening
Itd be such a gag if Jeorge was the archer in question.
Cordelia looking gorgeous as usual! Also I’m loving how permadeath is gonna be implemented in a Musou game makes you more wary but I’m obviously gonna soft reset as usual.
I’ve no doubt it’s going to be Camilla and Takumi, but I’m HOPING it’s Minerva and Jeorge.
I really hope that Witch!Corrin is a thing in Heroes. That design is so good!! (And hey, if her big brother can get two Seasonal variants…)
I think the odds are good. At any rate, we just know they’ll have to have a Halloween banner, and while the exclusivity is kind of annoying, we also just know the art will be pretty great
So they can put F Robin but just skip any news on M Corrin? How rude.
Female Corrin as a Witch is best Witch!!!
I got a pretty weak draw out of my attempt here, though I did get two 4* Merricks (who I didn’t have yet).
I’d laugh if it ends up being Virion and Cherche
Sigh, it’s sad how predictable this is going to be.
When are we getting the free first pull?
Honestly, I’d like to see an FE 9/10 magic user like Micaiah or Soren make it into this game, or any FE assassin characters like Jaffar and Volke. GODDAMNIT why aren’t there many Tellius fans?? (Also, if Ike doesn’t make it into the game, then there is something wrong with the devs)
Plot twist: The actual archer is Gordin and Jeorge gets shafted to the corner.
I just think Caeda is a very important character, because, you know… her relationship with Marth and all.
I imagine if Caeda were to be in the game, it would create a big boost of character potential for both Marth and Caeda in the game plot and story wise just because of all the possible interactions they could do with the pair.
But then, I would want to see the Whitewings + Minerva appearing as well. Hopefully!
Camilla and Takumi seem like the obvious choice
Also, it seems they’ve added a refresh button in the training tower, so you can generate another set of enemies before you fight. I don’t think they mentioned that in any of their pre-update material, and I hope that doesn’t mean it’s been there and I’m just now seeing it…
It was only mentioned in the last ‘what’s in store’ update.
Ah must have missed it then. Regardless, I’m very happy about it. Makes grinding and quests easier. I can just flip until I find a configuration that Hector can carry my team of armor scrubs through for that one orb
Can’t deny that, lol. Gonna save a lot of time with this and the castle bonus working together. Now, if I could actually get a Hector myself so I can give away distant counter.. Spent about 80 orbs in the last 5% hero fest and only managed to get an Azura I didn’t even want. 😡
Best update ever thank Naga!
Oh, do NOT tell me that there isn’t any single player who beat Infernal Bound Hero Battle WITHOUT SKILL INHERITANCE!
to be fair, everyone uses SI. I’m a forced F2P player (heroes doesn’t accept local currency) and I beat this one with only a full stamina gauge and a single bottle.
Cheaters, all of them who uses SI are cheaters!
I know someone on Reddit has done it with all 4-star F2P units, and the only Skill Inheritance involved is Swap on Sharena. You can get access to Swap easily enough, even as F2P, through Subaki or Stahl.
And what other 3 units did that person used besides Sharena with her Swap skill?
Ah, I must confess, I misremembered the team a bit, it’s not all 4-star units. Sincere apologies for that. Regardless, the team they used is as follows:
3-star Olivia, default set. No Knock Back equipped.
5-star Sharena, again, with Swap.
4-star Barst, also no Knock Back equipped.
5-star Anna, has an HP+3 seal equipped.
I’ll give you the link to the post so you can check out the details for yourself. Perhaps, even if you don’t happen to have the exact units necessary for this, you have alternatives to replicate the strategy used here. https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/search?q=Swap+on+Sharena&restrict_sr=on
Thanks, but actually, I have something to confess: I’ve figured it out and beat Infernal mode, with the guidance of a YouTube video of the Japanese Infernal Cecilia and Lilina Bound Hero Battle with a 4-Star Gunter, a 4-Star Palla, a 5-Star Camus, and a 5-Star Ursula (and it still worked even with my 4-Star Ursula). Thanks, anyway.
64% Fates
36% Awakening
0% SD
Why?
Because Frey isn’t a female and Norne isn’t a male.
Seriously, am I the ONLY ONE having trouble with the Infernal Bound Hero Battle?! Why do they keep beating that mode with Skill Inheritance such as Reposition?! THEY’RE F***ING CHEATERS!!
Nope, definitely not the only one. I have no clue either.
Arena assault is pretty fun, because it doesn’t cost anything to play or quit, so I can just play whenever I want, although sometimes it’s just a battle to see if I’ll face more Reinhardts than I have counters for
Man, this banner. These units. I want all of them, except Gray, who I already have. But Hero Fest is coming in two days, and with that 5% Banner Unit rate, I must restrain myself. Still, this banner will outlast the Tempest Trials banner, so unless they release something more exciting in the meantime, after the Hero Fest banner ends, I’m going to direct my attention back to the TT banner.
Decided I’d give this Banner a shot and promptly pulled Delthea. For the Free Pull. And she buffs like crazy. Freaking heck I love this game. When does Hero Fest start again?
No, I must save the Orbs for the Hero Fest, even if I have one free summoning from the next Tempest Trials banner.
Definitely maining my awakening waifu she looks fun!
Goodness, her beginning movements looked like Hinoka…. I wonder if this means no hinoka o_o;;
Corrin’s voice is so cute dsijisd
Ugh, why is there so much love for F Corrin but not M Corrin? Sexist pigs.
Not only a new character, but a new map too
Time to start the grind on this one. At the very least, I have already managed to get Julia. It took me a whole 75 Orbs, but I’ll take it.
So it’s only banners after the 7th that have the swapped odds for 3* and 4* right? Because I think out of all the banners, I still probably want to pull for Nohrian Summer the most (I like that 5%, but I already have Julia, Genny, and Azura, as well as more swords than I’ll ever need), but I’m mostly concerned about my haul for SI, since I’ll probably never have 350 orbs again, and I have to imagine I’ll want the chance to pull more 4*. I guess I could also continue to hold out…I don’t know
That’s correct. Sadly, the Nohrian Summer banner still has the old percentages of 3*/4* and no free summon. At least there’s still plenty of time to summon on it! It took me over a week but I finally got my Summer Corrin a couple days ago. ^^
Thanks! I thought so. Summer Corrin is the one I’m after too. I obviously can’t build Flier Emblem until Hinoka or Hone Fliers become easier to acquire, but since I was fortunate enough to pull Spring Camilla, I want a Corrin on the chance I’m one day able to rain down colored blades upon my enemies.
Hah, we’re in the same boat, then. 🙂 I also got a Spring Camilla as well but no Hinoka. I’m hoping she’ll be back in focus at some point, or maybe they’ll finally give Hone Fliers to someone else.
I think she’ll definitely be back in focus (I like that expression. It never occurred to me that why they use the word focus), but it will probably be better if they give hone fliers to someone else. A blade team might want to run two hone fliers and with all the blue fliers (Corrin, Cordelia, I kind of want to use Valter), I probably won’t actually use Hinoka (though I like her art)…which means as many Hinoka as desired for SI, plus one for the collection. I’m kind of surprised Valter didn’t have it after they gave Camus and Berkut cavalry buffs. I’m praying they give us a sword Glen Hero Battle with hone fliers, since he used a sword in Sacred Stones and the game needs red fliers
I got Genny in this banner, and I am happy with it.
May actually roll on this just to get another Ike to get some +s on my Ike.
And then I got Hector, too. Wrong Hero Fest banner, man! (aaaaand he’s -Atk…)
The only character I wanted out of this banner is Julia. I was really hoping they’d have Lyn. Ike is great but I already have him. He’s a good one for beginners which I guess was their intention.
I summoned on this banner though and my first 3 were 5*.. Crazy: Genny, then Nowi, then Julia. I’ll take it. =P
Got Ninian twice, another Julia for merging, and a Jenny who I’ll save until I have someone I want to give wrathful staff to.
I got Ninian and then went over and got Summer Leo! ^^
So my first run found it to be much easier than the previous trials, which I think just means it was easier to reposition my units out of danger. However, that final map could be brutal. The boss, Sonya, has vantage, which could really ruin someone’s day depending on what team they’re running. Also, they play Twilight of the Gods on that map, which is awesome and encourages me to just sit there and listen rather than play (I still don’t understand why they still use that awful music on every map’s enemy phase).
My team is Hector, Lucina, Delthea and Genny. Having 2 Mages helped me a lot. Honestly, having the +10hp and +3 stats make it not that hard, and the 3x bonus is very useful.
+4 stats, not just +3.
Oh yes, that’s right. It is +4, not +3. Well… even better!
The final boss of this Tempest Trial is Sonya, not Veronica again? That’s lame. Why is it that a character with 40% bonus ends up as the final boss?
TWO POSSIBLE NEW CHARACTERS FOR THE PLAYERS I KNOW TO GET MAD ABOUT AND CALL FAKE?!?!?!?!
THIS IS A GLORIOUS POSSIBILITY
PLEASE
SEND ME MORE CIPHER CHARACTERS
I NEED 25 TOTAL SO WE CAN HAVE A SET THAT’S HALF CIPHER CHARACTERS
DO IT FOR THE PEOPLE IS
They’ll likely be up sometime in the next few days. With daily reveals scheduled to start next week, the wiki will start getting to full steam soon about updating with daily cards. In the meantime, if you’d like to see translation information as soon as possible, you should come over and join us on the Cipher Discord (linked on the main front page) or follow @FEcipherENG, which is run by bookofholsety who is one of the translators for the wiki.
Cool! Wish I could join you guys on the Discord, but it isn’t working for me right now because my comp’s garbage, and I don’t actually have Twitter or Facebook or other general forms of social media.
Incidentally, do we have access to translations of the conversation between the mystery Units?
bookofholsety translated the whole column which you can read on his Cipher-related tumblr here: http://fireemblemtcg.tumblr.com/post/164125359110/the-cipher-frontier-issue-30-thank-you-for
CRAP THAT’S ONLY SIX DAYS AWAY
Sweet! Thanks for the link, looking forward to this – perhaps these two shadowy figures will crash the party on the 19th! Also, I’m hoping the servant-ish one is a Red Cavalier to contrast Lando’s Green so we get a cavalier duo with a new spin – one good, one bad!
Yep, the stream is coming up really soon! As usual, I’ll post a summary and caps here on SF after the fact if you can’t watch in person. 🙂
More of my waifu Selkie is great!!! Also new cipher mascots well I know they’ll appear in FE 16 Switch along with the others!
Okay, THIS is just adding insult to injury, not only do I only have Genny and Berkut as bonuses, but that Sonya as the final map boss is overpowered AF, even with her Vantage skill! Remind me again, why is Sonya of all characters the final map boss of this Tempest Trial?! Anyone?!
Maybe Sonya is the boss because she is a enemy in Echoes, but later she can enter in Celica’s army, and she is the Jedah’s daughter, so maybe Jedah can be controling her. In my opinion, Jedah should be the boss of this trial and later he be a Grand Hero Battle.
Yeah, but in Fire Emblem Heroes, Jedah isn’t controlling Sonya, Veronica is.
Eirika is much more “cutesy” than I ever expected her to be but I will never say no to more FE8 representation. I can’t wait to see everyone else, especially Lyon and Myrrh!
Hmm if that is the case than pegasus knights might be seriously underpowered. These games get very hectic and its really easy to miss an arrow or two going for you. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
The gameplay may be hectic, but archers are easy to block or avoid in the Warriors games if you just pay attention to your surroundings since they take a while to aim at you.
They could always add a late-game Delphi/Fili/Iote Shield upgrade for flyers to negate the arrow vulnerability
Dumbest reason for almost potentially cutting Lucina they should’ve realize “oh yeah she’s the popular recognizable poster girl of new games and obviously Nintendo and IS wouldn’t allow it” logic sense you 2 also welp Owain and Ophelia is RIP of any chances also confirms they love Lucina too which is awesome! Also the Lianna/Rowan sword reason is still dumb as it gets…
I actually admire the fact that they almost took Lucina out for uniqueness sake, because KT goes more for “whats cool and unique” than “popular” and I just dislike how much Nintendo is railroading this roster.
They couldn’t regardless since they obviously had to answer to IS and Nintendo their game their decision on who’s added also popularity and story importance is what’s determining the roster.
I’d argue Lucina’s relevance to Awakening’s plot is about on par with Lyns in Blazing Sword, but thats neither here nor there, she’s certain popular and drives a small portion of the plot yes.
The Zelda series doesn’t have as much in the way of characters. They were really scraping the bottom of the barrel even, like adding Maron from Link’s Awakening.
They still missed several fan favorites like Groose that made people incredibly angry, so “scraping the bottom of the barrel” doesn’t really work when people really wanted alot of people for HW like the Sages from OoT, Malon, Vaati, the fighters from Twilight Princess, the Oracles from the twin oracle games, etc.
Also Maron is a fan favorite herself lol, thats not really scrapping.
Oh they missed Groose huh? Then again, looking at the roster, they may have been looking for representation from most games in the series. Darunia and Ruto are Sages from OoT, so they fit the bill, and perhaps they dropped Malon because Maron is pretty similar in appearance, plus they get Link’s Awakening representation.
As for the Oracles, those were developed by Capcom. I’m willing to bet including another third party into character negotiations would have overly complicated things.
Yeah that’s probably it, honestly roster discussions in these games are always going to be saltfests regardless of what happens, which is why its kind of hard to discuss it in any manner unfortunately.
Agreed! Honestly, fans don’t know what they really want . I just want a great game and that’s all I care about, whether the game contains a popular character or less known one shouldn’t matter. As long as the gameplay is fun and it feels like a new experience, then I will be happy. I feel people should just be grateful that this game is even being made.
They do know what they want. They all just want something different. They’re not a hive mind.
I think sales have proven that fans are a hive mind. Echoes didn’t do too well and that was a very different fire emblem. Compared to conquest and birthright, which did extrememly well. Do not get me wrong, not all fans are like this, but a lot are happy with just boobs and marriage.
I really like those new monster designs. They look really original, to me anyway. It’s really weird that story and/or the animations will somehow be better than the gameplay in a Warriors game, but it may just be an exaggeration. At least we will be able to guess some of the animation we will get in FE Switch (whenever they decide to show ANY info on the game).
It’s Takumi and probably Camilla, the roster seems very predictable, I bet we’ll get Tharja next
Of course they wouldn’t cut Nintendo’s Lightning and waifu-bait.
Still no excuse to not have characters from other games.
It’s likely going to go the Hyrule Warriors route, 3 games in the base game, with 3 or 4 via dlc down the road.
oh yeah just TRY to cut lucy. like that would sit well with anyone. lucy is literally the poster girl of awakeninf at this point.
Oh boy, alright. The ‘there’s more [insert unit] now than there are Sacred Stones characters’ meme can finally die now.
Amelia as an armour is interesting. …HOLY CRAP, A NEW ARMOUR!!! (Insert AZ “It’s been 3000 years” meme.) That actually makes her the first *new* Armour since the game launched, that’s kinda crazy. (Zephiel was already in the code.) Anyway, looks like a good skillset. I wonder if Armor March will be the key to success for Armour Emblem, or if sacrificing the stat boosting skills in the process is too much…?
Seth seems rather basic. Nothing particularly of note here. They’ve been have one unimpressive unit with almost every banner lately. Which made me think they might expand the list of 3-stars at some point. If they do, Seth will among them, I have no doubt.
Innes could be very interesting and fulfill a unique role. His weapon functions like an Owl tome, which could give him a nice overall stat-boost. What’s really interesting here to me, though, is the emphasis on Resistance. As it stands, we don’t really have an anti-mage Archer beyond Niles, and Niles is… Niles. Given that Archers share the same attack range as Mages, this could make him quite useful… We’ll have to see his stats to say for sure, though.
And then Tana, hoo boy. Vidofnir sounds quite strong. Swords will be absolutely screwed, that’s for sure. How strong Vidofnir will be will once again be very dependent on Tana’s stats, since it can’t be inherited. Now Guiadance… THAT skill is potentially very scary. A real blessing to Armours, but also quite powerful with Infantry allies. Gonna be very interesting to see how people will use this.
Oh, and I also really like the art and the voices.
The Hero Fest banner will end soon, and I’ve already got the TT banner unit I wanted most (without even summoning on that banner), so it’s quite likely I’ll summon on this banner.
I’m really not confident that Armor March as a C skill will make a difference. Still, I’m glad they made Amelia an armor unit (I always make her a general). She could actually be quite fast for an armor based on her stats in the game. It’s odd to me that with all the Echoes characters, they added kind of redundant units Leon instead of Valbar.
Odd that Nidhogg doesn’t have 16 might. Tana seems potentially good, I agree, but there’s so much competition for blue fliers and i doubt her defense will be super high. Plus, Guidance is also a C, which leads me to believe it will become inheritance fodder for infantry, maybe dancers.
I have over 300 orbs, but I still don’t have the Summer Corrin I’m looking for, nor any of the Tempest Trials mages (Or Ninian), so I don’t know if I can pull. I have a good feeling about the fall seasonal banner, and I want to make sure I’ve got some orbs saved up in case Radiant Dawn comes back around
Ranged legendary weapons have 2 less might than melee legendaries. So this is perfectly normal.
Well kinda, pretty sure daggers use a different spread.
Yeah, Daggers have even lower Might than other ranged weapons, to compensate for their ability to drop the target’s stats. Though we only have one legendary dagger at this point in the game, which is Jaffar’s weapon, so that isn’t much of a frame of reference.
I kind of figured the legendary tomes were weaker because they were magic, but Fujin Yumi is a good point. I never noticed. My original stance was armors need the buffs since I often see them getting blown up by mages, but thinking about how a lot of armor will run Zephiel or Effie with Wary Fighter, I could see extra movement helping them not get picked off.
I don’t know much about armor buffs (I feel like fortify is more viable because of their base defenses), so I could be off base. I mean, you have to keep them together, but that’s true of most Emblem teams and nobody will want to approach that phalanx anyway.
I was probably too hasty in my judgment.
Nidhogg doesn’t have 16 Might because it’s a ranged weapon. Ranged weapons by rule have a lower Might than melee weapons do. Notice how the same holds true for Fujin Yumi, Cymbaline, Aura, Excalibur, etc.
Grand Hero Battle Legion, Infernal mode, the bane of my existence! I am finally gonna have my revenge for humiliating me the first time I fought him! REVENGE!
And furthermore, it’s about time they added the characters from “Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones”, including the new Paralogue! I was hoping for a new chapter, because I wanted to find out if Bruno is really Zacharias. But nope, that plot twist will have to wait a little longer! Crap!
I wanted a new main chapter, but it will probably appear with a more recent game. I think the next main chapter can be something like “World of Revelation”, with Fates characters, because the name combine with the events and we have Charlotte as a Bride unit but we do not have her in normal version.
“World of Radiance” is a story chapter based from “Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance”, and it’s not a recent game, yet it became a story chapter. It could be either “World of Revelation” as the next chapter, or maybe the next chapter might be called “Dawn of Radiance”, with the characters from “Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn” such as Micaiah.
And “World of Shadows”, the first Shadow of Valentia chapter in the game was a Paralogue.
Considering they’ve advertised Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn separately, I think there will be a “World of Dawn” later.
I doubt there will be a “World of Revelation”. No real need to. They pretty seem to be focusing on Conquest and Birthright.
No reason to put a character like Charlotte in a “World of Revelation” chapter when she can easily be in another World of Conquest chapter.
OH MY GOD YES IT’S SACRED STONES TIME!
I have the urge to splurge on this banner solely because it’s Sacred Stones. I hope I can hold out long enough to see how good these units are, but I’d love to make a SS team with the non-Reds and my Eirika while Seth can join my Horse Emblem team if his stats are good.
This is a good day. I know what I’ll be doing tomorrow!
(And man do i really want them all…)
That Legion battle was traumatic for me. Even with the quests, I’m not sure I want to touch it again…
Nnngghhhhh I waited so long for this banner just for there to not be Joshua
Innes is played by Xander Mobus (Smash Wii U announcer), awesome!
About freaking time!
ARF YES! Finally Amelia is in and I really dig her armored looked. Just looks like an upgraded version of her original armor.
Personally I would prefer her to be a lance fighter since I always use her as a Super Recruit when available, but I’ll take what I can get.
Oh, that’s really nice. Not the units I wanted, but I expected these ones anyway. Unfortunately this means I will have to wait a bit longer for Marisa, but maybe some other of the Grado generals will show up in a GHB.
More moviment to armored units?
Life and Death Swordbreaker Zephiel confirmed
-patiently waits for Joshua-
Man, I want the next Tempest Trials to be up against Lyon, and “POwerful Foe” plays in the background for the final map.
Really loved hearing the map music again. Sacred Stones is only my favorite game in the series after all. And with the Naglfar reference, I can hope we see Lyon at some point (my favorite character in Fire Emblem)
Also, based on the stats I’m seeing, Tana and Amelia seem like they’re really good, Seth seems like he’s really not, and Innes looks like he’s just going to give me a hard time in future Tempest Trials
Warriors Orochi III Hyper had around 40 characters, so I expect the same here. If they DON’T make more available via DLC, they could go the route of making others’ outfits available for current characters. For example, Lucina dressed as Mia. Chrom dressed as Eliwood. Ike dressed as the Black Knight. They’ve done things like that, too, and it can actually be fairly cool. I’ll take any of that over the ridiculous swimsuits we’re likely to get instead.
And I would’ve been totally cool with no Lucina. Her personality has always bored me.
And I’ve wasted all of my Orbs getting nothing, even a free summoning did not help me! And to add insult to injury, I ended up getting two 3-Star Henrys, one of the weakest characters by far, in a row! HATING THIS ALREADY!
Also, Loki, his king’s vessel? What could this mean?! The plot thickens!
Amelia has 173 BST.
Freaking 173 BST.
47 hp, 34 att, 34 spd, 35 def, and 23 res. Skill gets rid of armour movement.
Pound-for-pound, Amelia is the strongest unit in the game. Res is her only weak spot, and 23 isn’t even that bad. And she comes with Sacred Cowl by default.
With Armor buffs, she’s gonna be an absolute nightmare if people run a Distant Counter + Vantage build. Quickened Pulse and a good special basically makes her a final boss.
Armads’ in-built Quick Riposte is literally the only thing making him viable against this chick anymore.
Main thing is, in order to actually eliminate that armour movement, you need to run a second armour and have both of them stick to eachother like glue. Though Armor March unquestionably benefits armours in general a lot, herself included, the need to run it and run another armour to take advantage of it will likely remain somewhat of an achilles heel.
Small price to pay. Especially since people run Emblems all the time. The lack of a powerful Green is really the only reason why I don’t run Armour Emblem, and now IS gives us the straight up most powerful unit in the game.
I don’t think we’ll see another unit on par until The Black Knight or Laguz Royals.
Frankly I can see Caeldori as a skin for the already revealed Cordelia. Ditto with Tharja and Gaius, I reckon. Sure, Caeldori, Asugi and Rhajat aren’t the most popular of characters, but adding them in with their Awakening counterparts already in place would be relatively easy.
Certainly possible, but they don’t have the same draw I don’t think, we’ll see though.
I agree that they won’t have the same draw. However, if F!Robin is confirmed to be purely an aesthetic skin, I would imagine that it would mean you would be able to get costumes for the playable characters of their alternative looks ala Hyrule Warriors or Berserk Musou, (such as Marth in his FE1 tunic, Xander and Ryoma (and any of the other Fates Royals) in their Beach Brawl attire, Chrom as a Great Lord, etc.) as well as costumes that actually changes the character to another technically separate character, but are essentially the same or at least similar enough (Think Injustice 2’s premier skins). I can see this with the aforementioned M!Robin to F!Robin, F!Corrin to M!Corrin, and yes, Cordelia to Caeldori; heck, maybe even with further leaps like Minerva to Miledy or Navarre to Rutger.
But of course, ultimately it’s all speculation. Honestly, I believe if we’re getting a costume for Cordelia, we’ll sooner get her Summer Scramble attire (along with Chrom, as well as Tharja and Gaius if those two are in the game) as part of some kind of DLC pack than getting a Caeldori skin.
I think she’s considered her own slot like how the Dynasty Warriors 6 clones worked and not a costume like the various warriors games do. If you look on the official website she has her own section like she’s a fully playable character, this treatment wouldn’t be given to just a simple skin
Costumes will of course be a thing because KT loves them.
Oh, is that so…Frankly I haven’t dabbled too much into Dynasty Warriors, and I did not know they’ve had a history of employing clones like that. I wasn’t aware of that fact about the site either.
But yeah, I guess costumes like the Summer Scramble and Beach Brawl stuff is a foregone conclusion, huh?
It was more in the past, DW6 was considered a step backwards, but clones aren’t new for Warriors and stuff like this.
I think we’ll have beach costumes and reference costumes. Like I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pantless Marth or a Sumeragi costume for Ryoma.
Female Robin amiibo please!
“…the art was drawn by a seasoned artist…” Is this some shade thrown towards the artist from Awakening and Fates. I mean… I don’t disagree, but still that’s surprisingly harsh. Or that may just come across harsher due to translation.
I don’t think they meant it relative to any of the games, and were just making a general compliment. : ) I can see why it may come off that way though.
Seasoned means experienced, no? It’s not an insult or something, on the contrary, it’s a praise.
They were talking about how the game differed from the previous two and how newer fans would see things as “different.” One of the things mentioned as different is that “the art was drawn by a seasoned artist.” I interpreted this almost as a, probably unintentional, indirect insult towards the previous two games’ artist. It was probably just meant as an artist who has some more experience than the previous one, but I just took it a weird way. Then again, it’s probably just because I like Hidari more anyway, so I took it in that way much more than most people probably would have. Out of context my quoting probably does look odd… Oh well, this comment chain kinda explains what I meant.
Hearing that answer makes me hype for FE Switch more can’t wait for the inevitable teaser! 🙂
Is this game only being released with the awful Japanese voice acting?
It seems unlikely – they’ll probably give us Dual Audio so we can choose between them. Keep in mind that this and all past reveals are a JAPANESE Twitter account showing footage from the JAPANESE version of the game – we should get a better English trailer soon enough, and I seem to recall Chrom sounding like his English VA during the only trailer we ever got with even a hint of noise from him, the one that literally showed nothing new but him hitting some generic enemies around to show off one attack. So no, expect either full English or Dual Audio.
Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated.
It’s been pretty much confirmed to have dual audio if you saw any of the demo gameplay, there were english voices like Yuri Lowenthal as Marth etc.
Hey, i have not been following the game at all. Give me a break.
Holy cow I want that Elise/Sakura poster! Engage Item Retrieval Mission!
I need their Elise+Sakura poster +_+
But also… if they needed more archers, why couldn’t they put in Python so Faye didn’t have to be changed?
I wonder what they mean by realistic proportion and movement… animation? I hope not Kozaki Yusuke’s art. His art is just so nice now as the games continue on.
I think they did mean animation. I remember laughing my butt off sometimes at the Awakening and, to a lesser extent, Fates animations. Not that they were really horrible or anything, but in cutscenes it was hard to keep my mood serious when I was looking at their funny 3D models.
What do they mean by “realistic proportions and movements”? Don’t get me wrong I’m an open person, but “realistic” fighting, while cool, isn’t as cool as say a FE 7 Swordmaster Crit. As for proportions I’m a little confused about, because the series has always been in the “anime” style.
I think it basically means animations like you see in Echoes. Like, how when Alm suffers minimal damage, he parries the attack very similarly to how an actual swordsman would. Another example could be how you see archers attack, which I found to be a lot more detailed in Echoes.
Its design of characters and battle animations
I got a Odin in my free summon… a 3 stars Odin… Yeah!
I got a 4 Stars Nino in my free summon.
Whoo! I got a 5 star Nino for my free one.
I got a 5 star tharja
I am happy for you, guys. I only had this lucky in both Hero Fest Banners: I got Hector in my first summoning, in the first hero fest, and I got Genny in my first summoning in the second one.
Not to sound spoiled or anything, but is anyone else disappointed that these quests don’t contain even a single orb?
I am.
I am horrified to think what this focus will produce.
Awesome art as always! I kinda find Hans’ art and Eyvel’s alternate art kinda funny. Though for slightly different reasons.
Kana my baby girl yes!!!!
…Prepare the Sisters…
…the hundred Annas will march at last…
Leify boy is back
KT: We will remove Marth instead of Lucina, because people think we will have Shadow Dragon characters.
SACRED STONES!!!! Joshua looks awesome and – as someone who missed the news last time – I’m so happy to see Myrrh!! The Magvellians being purple means they come with plenty of synergy with existing cards, which makes me very happy.
I’m surprised that the two new characters are from Zenith; I’d love to see them cameo in Heroes!
JOSHUAAA!!!!!!!!! Finally. I’ve been waiting for this day, Joshua. To finally have your card!
Lara’s card looks so cool. Glad they used her dancer outfit.
That Bael monster card is some scary looking shit
Interesting. I wonder if we might see these 2 new characters in Heroes. They did say they had more original characters in mind.
Infernal is pretty hard. Two lines of Panic Ploy and reinforcements from everywhere…not enjoying it so far
The only problem with this GHB is the reinforcements. Even after you defeat Valter, they continue to appear! I do not know if I will defeat the Lunatic difficult, and I will not try the Infernal.
Managed Infernal, but it was bullshit throughout. There is difficult, and there is throwing countless of units at you in an attempt at simulating difficulty à la FE13. This was the latter.
I honestly can’t imagine beating this right now. I was killing off at least a unit per turn, but when I got to the turn where four new units show up, I almost threw my phone. There were seven units on the map at that point
Yeah, I had to resort to some awful tactics myself, consisting of brave bow + dancing roguery. These maps seem to wring out the worst in people.
Why is that so bad?
You don’t think so? It’s pretty damn cheap, is all. Like this game. If you disregard the orbs that is.
I’m just asking why you think those tactics are so bad, because I don’t think I don’t see the problem you see. You’re saying now that it’s “cheap”, but why?
It can’t be helped if you can’t see how someone else might find strategies like that to be questionable, especially on a map with a ton of fliers. BB ORKO’s, then the dancing allows the unit to move out of the way or go for another enemy, at the cost of… Nothing. But I guess you still don’t see the problem even though I’ve spelled it out for you.
To be honest, I don’t really see it as more cheap than any other strategy either. In fact, I feel like that’s probably the strategy IS wanted you to employ. It’s a little frustrating for me, for instance, because I have no archers (I think I could train a Gordin, if that would work, but I’m not going to 5* him and I’m not really sure I need three Valters). If you’re implying that dancers are kind of unbalanced, then I’d probably agree with that, or that the most difficult maps don’t really allow creative team building, then I guess I would say that’s mostly true as well
I think I’m overthinking the strategical depth of this game. The arena assault for example can be beaten by toddler if he has every unit as 5*40. It all boils down to what units you have or don’t have when it comes to the harder maps, and I feel that is detrimental to the gameplay as a whole.
Yes I do agree entirely with that, but I guess that’s part of the model. I’ve joked regarding arena assault that it goes well until I run out of units that can survive Reinhardt (I’ve seen five Reinhardts in a row before)
I always make sure to have my 39 res Julia ready for whenever one shows up, unfortunately she’s my only green mage and I have a grand total of 3 axe units, so I can relate to the Reinhardt horror show. Even worse when the moonbow pulse comes into play.. Thankfully you can retry infinitely and items help sometimes, but it’s not really the best of experiences.
Actually, last time around I got through with no casualties and ended up with 4750 points I think, yet other people got even higher scores than that. Do you have any idea what influences the score total?
I’m under the impression it’s the same as the arena, so BST. I’m guessing we’re being beaten (since I also score around that on a perfect run) by teams with a lot of merged, +10 5*, which I at least definitely don’t have. I have not found items to be particularly useful (at least I keep forgetting about them), but it is nice that I can keep trying until I maximize my score. I don’t know what the coins will do, but it will probably be something I’ll want…
No, I don’t have many of those either. I have one +3 5*, two +2 5* and a couple of +1’s, but that’s it. If your theory is correct however it would imply that the mode is completely pay to win, which, to be fair, seems to be the case for the game as a whole. If anything, it would be nice if we who are able to complete the maps with ‘weaker’ units should be compensated justly for it, if not only to reward skill somewhat.
I’ve mostly made use of the elixir so far, particularly when the opponent is down to one Hector with bonfire while I still have all four of mine *cough*. The coins are interesting however. Something I would like would be a hero shop of sorts, where you can buy non-event heroes of different rarities for different amounts of coins. This way you could get your favorite heroes and upgrade them with feathers, even if you only can afford a 2* or 3* version for example.
It is definitely a pay to win game. Otherwise it wouldn’t be free with in-app purchases and have all the randomness (focuses, colors, rarities, boons and banes, etc.). But as much as that gets on my nerves sometimes, I think the game has been pretty generous (or I’ve been really lucky) to free-to-play players. Plus, I kind of like thinking about how some of mechanics would translate to an actual Fire Emblem game (special skills and an integrated melee/magic weapon triangle). It’s probably more fair without the percentage based stuff, yet it seems wrong somehow.
I wholeheartedly agree with a hero shop. Even if I was stuck getting a 1* version of a character, I’d still get to have them, even if it cost me a ton (of coins or feathers or something). Of course, it’s probably fair to say that hurts their model, and it’d probably be preferable to get a 5* only unit as a 1* for SP grinding. Alternatively, people who spend money would probably benefit the most from a shop, since they’d have the currency to +10 all the meta units, and they could still make boon and bane random for each unit you buy if they really wanted to. Regardless, I think that’s something any fan of the series wants, because we probably all have a favorite we still haven’t pulled yet (or will at some point)
Spelled it out? You haven’t spelled out anything. You just keep restating your opinion with slightly different wording, but consistently omit any sort of elaboration. You’ve called the employed strategy awful, cheap, questionable… that all comes down to the same thing. I get it, you don’t like the Brave Bow + Dancer combination, and apparently particularly on a map with so many fliers, but that still doesn’t explain *why* you feel that way.
There is no why. It just is. If you fail to see that then that’s on you. Sisyphe kind of hit the nail on the head when he mentioned dancers being imba and that the Infernal maps really forces you into a certain pattern. That’s everything a FE game shouldn’t be. I seriously have no idea what else you want me to explain. To be honest I feel as if you’re hit by my initial comment simply because you apparently made use of a similar strategy. Just with two dancers instead of one lol.
Enemy reinforcements AGAIN?! First Legion, now Valter?! Now I’m hating this, especially when playing on Infernal mode!
Damn, that’s a happy surprise. I’ll gladly pay for something like this.
I’ll take 30 copies.
I’ll gladly pay for the experience.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e97e1e29517506680095142caf797012a4a414f32a9e4f41a754cf2c50c45ed.gif
To echo what everyone else said… yep, I’ll happily pay for this.
Was banging my head on Infernal a bit here, but after enough trial and error and making some small loadout adjustments, I managed to pull through it. Now, of course there’s many roads to victory in any given battle, but I highly, highly recommend a powerful archer. Combined with one or even two dancers (with Wings of Mercy), you can get very far. The team I ended up doing things with was Klein, Olivia, Ninian and Delthea. Everyone was key, but Klein was truly the MVP. Ultimately, I ended up inheriting Threaten Defense 1 on Klein, Threaten Res 2 on Delthea and giving Ninian the Quickened Pulse seal, all being necessary to achieve certain KO’s. Bottom line, this battle was a doozy.
But it’s worth it, I already promoted Valter. He’s one of those wonderful characters that I just love to hate.
What a wonderful surprise! The cost makes sense for working with an external company but (especially after the runaway success of Sonic Mania – no pun intended) I can’t help wonder if the west could have gotten it for free too if they chose to work with a fan group. Kaga HAS to know how large a following he has, but oh well. I wonder if Nintendo is the standard we should judge all Eastern developers’ fan interaction by?
Ignoring all that: all of my yes!! It would be nice if the extra income also let them make a console port (at least the Switch), but I won’t get too ahead of myself.
I seventh the notion: I’m happy to pay for this, based on what I keep hearing
YES
Awww yeah. Is this Windows only, or Mac as well? Looking forward to it either way.
Windows only, even wine cant run it.
I only completed it on Normal. These GHB are tough.
There is no Normal in this Grand Hero Battle, kid. There’s only Hard, Lunatic, and Infernal.
I meant hard. Sorry.
PRAISE KAGA. AN OFFICIAL TRANSLATION!
I can’t wait to see a LP of this too. There’s one guy on YouTube that tried to do a translation at the same time, but it’ll be nice to read it clearly!
The most common method I’ve been seeing (and myself have used) would be to have: a BraveBow + unit, 2 Dancers (at least one that can teleport), and a blue unit that can make ranged attacks (so either a blue mage or Camus). I would have to say this would literally be the hardest GHB to date because infernal basically requires you to have a Dancer(s); they both need to be trained up too with good skills because they have to soak up some hits as well (essentially you can’t just bring LV1 dancers and expect them to not ever be in range of attacks).
I want to say YAY!, but seeing a free game turning into a paid one just for the west because of localization (yes I know it can be hard work) puts me off. I wish he had just let the game be open for fans to (I guess slowly) do translations instead, since that would’ve been free.
you can’t guarentee quality in fan translations.
that said, getting the FE12 translation team would have worked well…
I would happily pay twice over and then some for an official translation. If only I could be a part of the staff I would make adjustments to the game for better presentations and control. As well as artbook and CD edition with design works and interviews. It is truly an honor that he finally opens his doors to other regions.
Is the enemy reinforcements really necessary?! I can’t even beat Infernal mode, these videos from YouTube aren’t helping at all! As for the other videos made by the cheaters who inherited Reposition and crap?! SCREW THAT!!
Pretty cool, though part of me wishes this could become an eShop release on the 3DS. Playing on that feels a lot more natural than trying to play on my computer. Plus I could play it anywhere that way. 🙂
I beat it with Klein, Brave axe Cherche, TA Henry and Olivia: https://youtu.be/SQ64QQooPE0
Giving Wing of Mercy to Klein was crucial to succeed, the additional red knight was a pain in the ass to kill.
Very challenging GHB as I liked 🙂
Alright, finally; all the super obvious characters are confirmed and we can look forward to some unexpected reveals.
I am by no means disparaging including these characters, but we all saw it coming as soon as the game was announced, so I am looking forward to some surprises in the roster.
Not all of them, Elise, Sakura and Azura are still missing and I can’t help but think that it’d be odd for them to omit them at this point, especially if Hinoka and Leo could make it in (easily the least popular of the Fates siblings).
A good point, I had forgotten about the two youngest sisters and Azura…
So there’s still a little more to get out of the way before we can get to the real surprises!
It’s one month before it releases in Japan. I don’t think that’s a lot of time for reveals, unless week-by-week, they spill out the whole game’s guts.
And those three will be in there. They’ll probably be all revealed in like, mid-September or something. And if we don’t see them at all, they’re probably gonna be like a ploy for DLC or something.
But rest assured, they’ll be in there. No doubt about it.
Hm, I guess you’re right – there’s not much time for anything else to be revealed, but the roster is expected to be ~40 characters. I guess we’ll be finding out most of the cast when the game is released!
40 characters? Let’s recap. There’s Xander, Leo, Camilla, Corrin, Cordellia, Marth, Xander, Ryoma, Hinoka, Takumi, Chrom, Tiki (Presumably since she’s got an amiibo for this game), Robin, Frederick, Lucina, and Lissa. That’s 16 characters revealed. Nearly half. Assuming that Elise, Azura, and Sakura are in there as well, that’s 19.
Honestly, going back to your original comment, there’s STILL a lot more obvious characters for IS to put in there that it’ll be a shocker if they WEREN’T in there. Examples are Olivia, Tharja, Nowi, Severa/Selena, Charlotte, Peri, Cherche, Caeda, Minerva, Palla, Catria, Est, Sumia. Assuming these are in there, that’s about 32 characters in total leaving only room for 8 for the surprises you’re looking forward to. I’m sure I missed some but the ones I listed are from how much I talk about them with my friends and whatnot.
We’ll see, though. Though personally with all the news I’ve been reading here about the game, this is all stuff that I’ve expected from the very beginning ever since it was said that only Shadow Dragon, Awakening, Fates, and Mystery of the Emblem characters though we haven’t seen anything from Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem yet.
Perhaps I have been unclear of what I meant by “surprises” – I am simply referring to non-main characters who weren’t guaranteed a slot from the get go (other than obvious super popular picks like Tharja).
Clearly you and your friends have a very different outlook on the roster than I do. Characters like Olivia, Charlotte, Peri, and heck even the White Wing sisters would all classify as “surprises” in my book given they’re not exactly what I would call obvious picks, so I would be happy to see them all the same.
I guess what I’m getting at is what sounds obvious to you is at least a slight breath of fresh air to me. I’m not trying to say that I disagree with your assessment, more like I’m just trying to maintain a positive outlook on a game that has received some pretty harsh backlash from fans of the series 🙂
Personally I would love to see Selkie or Velouria… even though their chances are slim to none…
Yes, there is a difference in outlooks between us when it comes to the roster. If you disagree, you’re free to do so. I was merely counseling my thoughts to you that I thought would be helpful for you to know, especially with the time between now and the release of the game in Japan.
Yeah, I didn’t know the release date was getting so close – that being said, the chance for these “surprise” reveals that so many of us hoped for is dwindling quite quickly.
If I could put my hand on you shoulder in sympathy, I would. If you’re sure you’re going to enjoy the game regardless of what characters there are in it, whether it’d be your favorites or not, you go right ahead if it’ll make you happy.
Well, considering I do enjoy Musou style games, and the Switch is rather lacking in that department right now, I imagine that I will pick this up regardless of the choice of cast – especially since it seems to be bringing some… interesting mechanics to the table.
I certainly sympathize with the FE fans who are being let down by this spin-off, as it does certainly seem to ignore a large portion of the franchise’s history.
Yeah, a lot of people are feeling alienated by this game. I was told by one of my friends that this game was in development BEFORE Echoes was announced, so it’s likely they made the decision to include Shadow Dragon, Fates, Awakening, and Mystery of the Emblem characters long ago.
Oh is that right? That would actually help to explain some of why this game doesn’t seem to recognize the rather, uh, toxic divide in the community’s perception of the direction the series is headed.
I’ll maintain hope that this game could actually be fun, even if it isn’t necessarily good hahaha.
Honestly, the release date of this game should have been pushed back because this game does something very differently than Heroes and Echoes. Echoes actually introduces new players to the past of this franchise and Heroes does the same thing while being inclusive with ALL games of the franchise, getting all the givens out of the way and then later adding new characters from different and older games in.
See, Warriors doesn’t do any of that. I think that’s one of the reasons why the reception is what it is. Honestly, if Nintendo/Intelligent Systems was paying attention to the divide at all or keeping in touch, they should have pushed the release date back. They would have more time to add in more characters from different franchises to satisfy older and newer fans alike. There was even an interview about Echoes where one of them said (I can’t remember who) that they wanted to make Echoes as a way to educate newcomers that started with Awakening/Fates on games that existed before Awakening/Fates and it seemed like Heroes was doing that, too. But Warriors seems to undermine the efforts that Heroes and Echoes were trying to do to introduce newcomers to characters from earlier titles by deviating from this path and stretching this toxic divide further and further.
I’m in complete agreement with you on that.
Even if they had just picked one other old school game, say from the Jugdral, Elibe or even Tellius stories, they could have done a much better job of making Warriors a homage to Fire Emblem as a whole and made a game for ALL of the fans.
I am incredibly happy you see what I was getting at. Like, for example, if they were trying to sell this game based on characters that are popular, Lyn and Ike should have been a shoe-in because they were #1 on the Choose your Legends event in Heroes in their respective genders with Lyn, beating the likes of Lucina, Camilla, and even Tharja!
It should have been a sign for them to include those two in the game, but I guess they were too far into development to change course or something. My friend also said to me that some people prefer Heroes which is a MOBILE game over Warriors and others have even said that they’d prefer the OCs of Heroes, Alfonse and Sharena over Liana and Rowan, the OCs of Warriors. Very troubling signs, to say the least.
Absolutely – Heroes and Warriors are both at their service games about Fan Service (And I’m not talking about Camilla’s kind). They’re games that draw their crowd based on appealing to the fans of the series, but Warriors is clearly ignoring far too many fans, so its perfectly understandable that people are upset.
The Chose your Legends poll should have been a wake up call, seeing Ike and Lyn topping the charts – with even Roy netting himself a high rating. None of those are “modern” FE anymore.
This isn’t the first time Nintendo has signed off on a spin-off game that questionably utilizes only the original and newest installations of a series, either. Pokemon Rumble, way back on Wii, pulled only from the first and 4th (the most recent at the time) generation of Pokemon.
For some reason it seems like Nintendo’s idea of paying homage to their fans is to simply take the oldest and newest titles and mash them together, rather than actually listening to what the fans are saying about their series.
One of my other friends told me that a lot of Japanese developers are becoming notorious for being out of touch with their customers these days. I begrudgingly have to say that Intelligent Systems and Nintendo are among those that are leaning in that direction. I have not played Rumble on the Wii so for you to say this to me speaks volumes on what I just recalled my other friend telling me.
Ah, that’s unfortunate, but it certainly wouldn’t be the most surprising thing to hear. I suppose all we can really do is hope and do our best to make sure the voices of the fans are reaching the developers – not a very appealing prospect, admittedly… :
That’s all we can do, really. Otherwise, the only other way to reach them is to not give them our money.
Actually Leo is among the most popular
Well he WAS now isn’t to the JP fangirls after knowing his “secret”
What Secret?
Him “liking” Camilla of course in a subtle way and it turn them off from him funny since his Revelation pair end with F!Corrin implies his reception.
Really? I was always under the impression he was the least so. But then, I don’t exactly have statistics to back that up, so I could be wrong.
Leo’s popularity is actually rather comparable to Takumi’s.
Called it!!! and obviously Sakura, Elise and ESPECIALLY Azura are later.
YESSSS! Ahh I’m so happy.. Also I noticed they were pretty lazy on Camilla’s hair animation. I don’t think I’d be surprised if they left Azura out just because of her hair. But if they didn’t, I’d be interested to see how that would look pfft
Do you guys think any of the animal characters have a shot? They were all completely left out from Heroes ..
Unlikely
Of course they have a chance! Tiki brought dragonstone into this. To make a whole category for one character is wasteful. They at least should bring 1-2 other characters that are animals into this so it won’t be empty. My guesses are Nowi (popular Awakening dragon), Keaton and Kaden (completely different beasts that are unique in their own ways).
Who
would
have
guessed?
They’re not shocking anyone. Certainly not me.
Characters look great and—Camilla aside (obviously)—aren’t hyper-sexualized as I expected from Koei Tecmo. Those voices, though…ugh. I hope we get the option to play with Japanese dialogue and subtitles.
Yeah the voice direction is absolutely awfull
I’m pretty sure for all the revealed characters, besides Marth and the new characters and maybe Robin/Corrin, they used pre-existing models made by Intelligent Systems for the cutscenes in their respective games. They said they used Chrom’s at least originally when development started.
…..what happened to Hinoka and Camilla’s voices???
Voice actor change dude. Deal with it.
Right? They completely obliterated Camilla’s voice from semi-seductive to….whatever was in that video. And they made Hinoka, my one and only true love in FE:Fates into….just another fucking girl! I mean I understand the need to change VAs for whatever reason, but there could be at least a little effort to get the voices and tones close >.>
Who is surprised? No one, oh okay. Camus better be in
I’d be really surprised if we don’t get Azura. I didn’t expect them to do all of the Fates siblings.. I thought for sure we’d get Camilla and Takumi. Especially after getting Cordelia I didn’t expect Hinoka. Don’t know if I should expect Caeda or not anymore.. thought she’d be a lock.
Isn’t there ANY OTHER STRATEGY TO BEAT INFERNAL MODE WITHOUT SKILL INHERITANCE?!
If there are, nobody seems to have figured it out yet. But there are some real madmen out there, so perhaps you’ll eventually find a video uploaded, or some strategy submitted on Reddit or whatever. People have found SI-less solutions to battles I’d have never expected.
It didn’t helped me at all. My 4-Star Gordin is weak.
But, I took a deep breath and did a similar strategy to that, and while I did use my 4-Star Olivia and my 4-Star Donnel, unlike that person in the video, I used my 5-Star Klein and my 5-Star Reindhart. Turns out Klein is more powerful than Gordin, and I had to spend the crystals to level Klein up.
But then it did help you, because even if it didn’t provide your literal solution, you still got to take inspiration from it.
Yay!
(Too bad I’m on Mac.)
There might be some solutions like dual boot
AUGH OGH AUGH…. The voice acting! What happened?! It’s like no proper direction. Sounds almost like Arc Rise Phantasia levels of nonsense.
Only Matt and Max seem to be pulling their weight. Everyone sounds… terrible. what
Oh God…Arc Rise Phantasia. I’d forgotten.
Never Forget. *flashbacks*
Niko especially, no effort was put into that game’s voice work.
Dear lord THAT game, bad memories man.
Called it! Too bad the younger sisters of Hoshido and Nohr are missing the fun.
The hard version of this maps are really… hard. I only completed the 3rd map on hard, thanks to Tobin.
Can you remember your strat? The 3rd hard mode map is the only one that’s eluding me I’ve tried mages, duel dancers, horse emblem, armor emblem, and armor killers and I haven’t had any luck. It’s mildly frustrating to be honest.
I used Hector, Azura, Genny and Tobin. Hector because he can survive the attacks and defeat almost all enemy units (except te green ones) and my Hector have Pivot as his assist skill. Azura as a dancer, so any dancer can be used. Genny as a healer with Physic, and Tobin with the Armorslayer and also Triangle Adept .
Thanks a lot all I had to do is give Tobin triangle adept and rally speed since my hector is a -spd so that is why Sanaki was giving me such a bad time when I was initially trying before.
This was my team.
And now I noticed: My Hector is + Spd – Atk. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a0fc01419dd72e2935751e352c213a11ff5d580ce266a56de00465044557f4a.png
I know it’s supposed to be stylized, but do these graphics look shit to anyone else?
Also, still can’t believe they were considering excluding Lucina. How would that even make sense? She’s like the new face of the series.
They should have, less garbage the better.
Good thing IS and Nintendo didn’t want that
A face that it’s basically genderswapped Marth. A character that contributes zilch to the roster except padding. “New face”? Hardly that nowadays.
Nope decendant plus it fits better also the fact that Nintendo and IS put their foot down shows she’s still a big deal to them.
Hmm. Idk, she’s been in quite a lot lately. Started as one of the main characters of the now biggest game in the series, but has also appeared in:
– Super Smash Bros
– Monster Hunter
– Codename Steam
– Project X Zone
– Fates
– Echoes
She was one of 8 characters chosen as a promotional character for FE Heroes on mobile, in which she was one of the top 3 fan-voted favorites, and currently has 3 versions in the game. She’s definitely one of the more well-known characters.
Fe 1 characters so far: 1
FE 13: 7
Fe 14: The whole cast
Fml
I predict:
FE14: 11
FE13: 18
FE1(11): only one
Labrys, what are you doing, being Hinoka?
There is not hope left for the man…
Admittedly seeing Lucina and Marth fighting alongside one another isn’t exactly interesting, since Lucina’s fighting style is essentially a carbon copy of Marth’s.
However, I am looking forward to seeing how some of the more disparate characters combine their skills in these kinds of attacks; there’s a lot of room for cool and flashy combos.
In this game her style is more like Chroms actually. This is the only attack string so far that she’s done anything even vaguely Marth like.
That’s good to hear! Have there been any videos released that show Marth’s gameplay? I’m eager to see a comparison of all our resident Falchion wielders.
I don’t have one on hand, but he focuses much more on like teleport slashes and thrusts, like he warps around as if he’s moving too fast for the human eye in a number of them.
That sounds absolutely amazing – not what I would have expected from Marth, but super cool!
Um…did anyone else notice the little line of text across the top when Hinoka appears?
“Please note that this game will only be available with English Voiceover.”
This does NOT look good.
It’s happening! Didn’t they say CYL is coming in the summer? If so they’re cutting it pretty close~
In an ideal world CYL would be a set of freebies (or at least one guaranteed hero), but I doubt that’s gonna happen. Guess IS really was trying to bait all our Orbs away before they dropped this 😛
They said it would come after summer. If anything, they’re early.
To be fair, Summer in the Northern Hemisphere lasts until September 22nd. Then it officially transitions into Fall.
Well whatever it is, I’m not too excited. After all, I definitely don’t have the orbs to take advantage of it, not that I’m complaining. I did pretty well with these last couple focuses. Ah well, I should be stocked up again by the Halloween/fall banner. That’s just how it goes
Yeah I’m with you. I don’t really care about anyone in the either top 3. Saving for the fall banner, hope its cool, I’m pumped for that one
I don’t actually remember which heroes won, though I remember not being too excited at the time. I don’t know how good the fall units will be, but I’m confident the art will be excellent. It’d be great if they started giving us alternates of older characters, instead of just a select bunch of Awakening/Fates ones. I like them, but I’m burned out
Ike, Lyn, Lucina, and Roy were the 4 characters.
Thank you!
Boooo
Well, it’s about time!
Not even a good artist will fix my distan of the two twins. Rowan and Lima Bean are dumb.
Why, are they super generic or something?
Woo hoo! Soleil, Joshua, and Python! <33 Their cards look amazing!
Hmm…the new mascots look interesting hope we see them in FE 16 probably will!
I get BLAZEKNIGHT vibes from the new guy lol
Calling now that there’s main story maps about them and that they have similar outfits to Alfonse, Sharena and Anna. Hopefully art done by Kozaki. I wouldn’t be surprised if they went deeper into the top 10 as well, at least to Hector and Tharja (male and female 3rd place winners).
Tharja already had a datamined Christmas Outfit, so I doubt she’s getting a CYL Form.
5 orbs and easy inheritance of swap and reposition. Quite nice.
I hope they do more quests that give units. Sure, I have no use for a Raigh or an Oboro, but the others have at least some SI value
holy cow, this is great!!
Crisper graphics or more fluid movement? Alrighty then.
I’m not sure which one I’ll go with, but I’ve never been one that’s picky about the graphics or frame rate. My guess is probably the 1080p 30fps, but I need the game in my hands to be sure.
I also have to consider which would look better for streaming when my copy comes in haha.
Awesome now we only need dual audio, something along the lines of adventure mode from Hyrule warriors and dlc that focuses on other games in the series. Either way really looking forward to this.
It should be noted that framerate also effects control responsiveness so that’s another factor to consider.
Something about the title made me burst out laughing.
I honestly couldn’t figure out a good title haha.
I can’t wait for this game I hope others are as well!
I’ll take framerate over resolution, thank you very much.
Now that I think about it how is this gonna work in handheld mode. Most Switch games never even get to 1080 in handheld mode.
If there’s a handheld option equivalent it would be 60 fps at something below 720p. Also, I don’t understand what you mean by most Switch games in handheld mode aren’t 1080. There isn’t a single game that can, the screen only goes up to 720p.
Handy with CYL on the horizon. Thanks, IS!
Man I wish they would make this a permanent feature
They still have to polish the game a lot and they are running out of time.
The framedrops that occur at 1080p@30FPS are preposterous. Even when it runs at 720p I highly doubt that Fire Emblem Warriors will run at stable 60 FPS. As someone who played the current version at Gamescom I expect a lot of performance patches. In the current state it’s not even remotely an optimized game.
This gauntlet would’ve been so cool before they broke the scoring system
I watched it live I was so exited by Ike when, of course they gave him Urvan, but also Griel’s cape and overall motif. Definitly choosing him as my free hero but also gonna get Lyn since she is the first horseback bow user. Wouldn’t say no to Lucina either but as usual Roy is the bottom of the list the Blazing Durandal is cool since it has Heavy Blade integrated on it but Galeforce is just kinda underwhelming to me since everyone else got something new, maybe not completely like Lucina’s drive speed but she’s still the first to have that one.
No they didn’t directly show him off with something newish (Likely because galeforce ties in directly to the heavy blade effect and is new to Roy and an uncommon special special skill while Lyn’s apparent draconic aura is more normal and she had a new new skill to display) but if you look after he activates galeforce he has whatever they’ll call the +4 spd/def (green/yellow icon) on initiation skill. Now of course there’s the possibility he won’t actually get it (Lyn seemed to have 3 passive skills when we saw her not sure what’s up with that) but if that skill is new I think that possibility is pretty low.
A free 5 star amazing hero. Well done InSys! Let’s hope they either don’t have IVs or we all get lucky with our pulls haha.
Well that gauntlet is gonna be big!!!!!
This is kind of a weird banner, but one I’ll try to be getting everyone on (even Lucina, who I don’t give two sharks about; though I prefer her with a lance and her Master Lord armor so that’s why I’m keeping her….though I would have preferred her using Gradivus). It’s weird because we have Lucina just in her final class but with some random-ass lance, Lyn in her father’s class but with a random-ass bow, and both young Ike and Roy just straight-up cosplaying as their dads complete with their weapons and in Roy’s case, his father’s horse.
EDIT: My main aim is Roy, but I’ll get Lucina for free, because I do NOT want to get another army of Donnels.
Lyn and Lucina don’t really possess any bows and lances that are respectively associated with them, and the Gradivus is pretty much Camus’ signature weapon so handing it off to Lucina would perhaps be off-putting.
The four heroes being essentially promoted variants of their usual selves makes sense when you consider that this banner is meant to be fanservice. Roy doesn’t possess anything significant belonging to Eliwood like how Ike inherited Greil’s Urvan, so being given his dad’s horse seems to be IS’ solution.
I wonder if Lyn’s bow is meant to be a localization of Sacae’s divine weapon, because then they’re kind of connected. Lucina’s lance is random as far as I can tell though
Yeah, I’m thinking something like that too.Myulgre -> Mulagir really isn’t too far away from some of the more liberal localization name changes.
If someone has a Japanese version, maybe he/she can confirm if it really is supposed to be Myulgre.
Yep. Mulagir is an alternative name for Murgleis, which is the name of the sword in Chanson de Roland that the bow’s name comes from (as well as a lot of other Elibean nomenclature). In particular, Mulagir is the German name for the same weapon in the adaptation of the play (Rolandslied). I would say I prefer Murgleis, but I guess that’s settled
Ah, a confirmation directly citing Song of Roland. The source of the name change can’t get any more irrefutable than that.
Fun fact: Mulagir gives a speed bonus in Binding Blade too
If that’s the case, then that’s ok for Lyn then. Weird to find out the new official Treehouse’d name for Murgleis through this avenue, though.
I like free stuff as much as the next guy, but I hope everyone is prepared to see these units everywhere after this…
I haven’t been this hyped since I was 6 and finding out I was going to DisneyLand.
Lucina vs. Lyn? This is gonna be chaotic O_o
At least we can get the shitstorm out of the way.
Yeah.. Ike is going to destroy Roy, Hector will beat Chrom. Tharja vs. Camilla is also a tough one, but I think Tharja should edge out Camilla, though who knows with this jank-ass scoring system.
I say Camilla got this
Woah, super cool. With the exception of Lyn, all the art is done by the original artists/designers for their respective games. Lyn is still done by the same artist who has done both of her Heroes artworks thus far.
I’m pretty sure that Sachiko Wada (the artist doing the CYL Roy) was the artist of Sacred Stones, not Binding Blade. The Roy here, especially on the face and shading, really evokes the art from FE8.
You’re right, she’s mostly known for Sacred Stones, but according to the Wiki she’s also the main artist for all 3 GBA games.
I wonder why Lyn’s voice actor is conspicuously missing. She’s still done by Wendee Lee, right? Or is this an indirect confirmation that she won’t be reprising her role?
Lucina vs Lyn Hoo boy!
I think Lyn will win. Sadly, not because of a larger fanbase, but because of greater fanservice.
Could you clarify what you mean by “fanservice”?
I’d argue the exact opposite.
Oh wow, I get to choose one of the 4 Brave heroes? Hot damn, that’s good news!
Now this is a tough call, I have no idea which one of the “Legendary Heroes” will prevail!
Considering Ike and Lyn were the #1 for their respective genders, I’m guessing it’s gonna come down to those 2 in the end.
I disagree. The CYL banner took votes from just about anyone as well as had various factors that made its way of determining votes weird, so it honestly isn’t the best way to judge popularity. And in this case, they’re is are many people who play heroes and didn’t vote, as well as those who voted, but didn’t play heroes or dropped it somewhere along the way. Too many variables imo.
True, but it’s still a decent indicator of how popular each character generally was. Lyn certainly isn’t the definitive winner for the females since Lucina is the more recent and relevant one and was also very close in the polls, but I still don’t think Camilla or Tharja will win on that side. However, Ike really seems to be the most obvious choice on the male side with Hector maybe having a chance because while Lucina and Lyn were close in scores, Ike (between his 2 games) almost doubles the next popular male character, Roy. So even though it’s not a perfect indicator, it still a strong enough one where I’m pretty confident in saying that Ike, Lucina or Lyn will win this gauntlet…my money is on Ike…though I’m probably gonna side with Hector or Camilla since I like me my axe wielding badasses.
I love how Ike is drawn to resemble Greil, that’s just awesome!
Now we can have a Full Lucina Team! Lucina, Spring Lucina, Masked Lucina and Brave Lucina.
Ike vs Roy? Crap. They want me to get over that hurdle first. Eh, we’ll do our best.
The real question is of course whether to drop my Orbs on this banner for Hector so I can get Distant Counter for my Roy or whether I should go for all 4 of the CYL Units themselves…
WOOWW i have been waiting for something like this, i think is about time serenes forest have a special place for this game together with TearRing and Berwick, thanks for the info like always, you guys are amazing
Nice that Lyn is the first mounted bow user, with anti-distant counter to boot.
Basically only dragons can counter safely sith thier high def. Esp. With ninian.
Really awesome. Picking Ike, no questions asked. Awesome character, with an awesome set of skills, and massive Tellius bias on my end (the best kind of bias). Similarly, I’ll be supporting Ike in the gauntlet. Can’t come soon enough!
I have to take Lyn for the novelty (and the fact that I hate pulling colorless), but I’m hoping by the grace of any god that wants to listen that I’ll pull an Ike anyway (kind of want all four in fact). I don’t love the character, but I love the art and what it represents, and Tellius was definitely the high water mark for the series
Normally the answer is obvious with these gauntlets (let’s be honest, it’s either cute loli or which female has the *ahem* best assets). But this time, we know the Choose Your Legends even has spoken before. Lyn took first, but then Ike’s votes were split by having both a PoR and RD Ike option available, and one of them *still* made top for the men, and the other also got high, so I am definitely expecting that to be the finale. I think that sheer popularity can edge out the usual “Bust or Bust!” mentality that seems to go around the gauntlets a lot. This is not an easy victory for Tharja/Camilla. (And between those two, I’m expecting Tharja to win.)
Supporting my boy Ike, though, because I LIKE IKE!
3DS games usually have an edge, even if it’s minor.
25 playable characters that sounds good. Well as long as we have at least 5 Shadow dragon character. And now tons of dlc pls
personally im hoping for GBA FE games too, this will probably turn out similarly to FE heros roster wise.
Yeah same. It’s never gonna be that big but I get what you’re saying.
If they go the Hurule warriors route then we’re good.
That game started out only representing 3games in the series but now has characters from most titles.
after counting the revealed characters thus far (16 ignoring gender alternates) there should be 9 secret characters left on the base-roster to discover when the game releases.
Looking forward to it. And secretly hoping for Black Knight DLC.
omg please tell me there will be enough of the special edition to go around this time?
only thing i dont like character roster wise.. those 2 blonde kids are so Fugly
why couldn’t they use Alfonse & Sharena instead?
I hope it does well even though its a week before Super Mario Odyssey I’m optimistic it’ll do great!
I’m getting Lyn. Not really anyone I want that’s colorless (Besides Faye) so…
Hopefully more than 5 of these will be produced this time around, begone scalpers.
I want this, particularly for the soundtrack CDs!
I hope to get the game but I’ll pass on this special edition.
They already got my money from the Fates and Echoes special editions, plus the Fates-style 3DS.
Ike and Lyn are stupid broken and I friggin’ love it.
Yes! And the free choice means I can freely grab Lyn while avoiding colorless hell. I can focus my orbs on getting Ike~
That’s exactly my plan too
You make a good point at least if your going for a character that’s actual color you can get people that has a robust skill set than half of them being unusable because they are healers. I’ll have to consider getting Lyn for free instead of Ike.
This is exactly my thought actually. There are so few colorless with useful kits or who distinguish themselves on their own merits. At least Donnel is a useful unit and has Reciprocal Aid and Drag Back, so I’ll tolerate a handful of them
Is it worse than Donnel hell?
Lyn’s outfit is so lackluster compared to the other three. She looks basically the same.
Anyone see where this can be preordered? The special edition isn’t showing up at the usual places online yet.
Answered my own question. GameStop is taking preorders in-store, and online now as well (with a release of October 10th, which I’ll assume is a mistake).
Don’t know if I’ll get it. It’s cool that it exists, but I don’t really see anything I’m interested in in this version.
Looking at that Narcian Infernal battle, it’s pretty clear IS hates horses.
Also, can someone explain Ike’s A skill to me? Should it be reducing the special counter? 4 defense in combat doesn’t seem worth slowing the special trigger otherwise.
His Urvan has a killing edge type effect. So Aether is 4 turns at the start instead of 5. Steady Breath is a defensive version of Heavy Blade on the normal Ike. When Ike takes a hit Special CD goes down by 2, in addition to the +4 Def.
Ike is so nasty against Reinhardt especially. XD Ike starts battle at 4 turn CD. If Reinhardt initiates an attack, Beorc’s blessing nullifies Hone and/or Fortify Cavalry. Reinhardt attacks once at normal damage, 2nd hit is 20% damage because of Urvan. Since Reinhardt struck twice, Ike’s cooldown for Aether goes from 4 to 0 letting him use it on his first counter attack. XD
Thank you! I think I was just confused because we typically refer to decreasing the trigger time instead of adding to it. Like Urban is decreasing the cool down count but Steady Breath increases the charge number. It means the same thing, but the language feels odd. I understand the distinction though: reducing cool down at start vs. Increasing charges in battle
Yeah, I agree that it’s confusing. I wish they would standardize their translations more. It’s the same kind of issue with the actual writing of Ike’s B Slot skill where it uses the “effective against” in a totally different way from how that phrasing is used in the rest of the game.
Until I read this article, I actually thought it meant he got a damage bonus against cavalry and flying units, which would’ve been nuts. I agree that’s its odd they haven’t standardized their language. That’s generally fundamental for stuff like this
Thanks for your explanation before reading it I was thinking of giving my Brave Ike Distant Counter instead but that is definitely a great skill for Ike.
Glad it helped~ Ike and Lyn have such an amazing skill set. The only thing they actually need is their assist skill.
Think infantry march would be a good fit for Ike? I got a few summer Xander when I was trying to get summer Elise
Up to you. I haven’t played around with that skill myself since I didn’t get any summer characters, so I don’t know the extent of its effectiveness. I’m going to keep Ike and Lyn with their Base kit personally.
Oh, sure, they didn’t add Lunatic mode, but they did add Infernal mode, of all difficulties! Unless there’s a good strategy on how to beat Infernal mode WITHOUT Skill Inheritance (Skill Inheritance is for cheaters), I wouldn’t bother playing Infernal mode! But it was kind of easy clearing the quests of beating Narcian with my Anna and my own Narcian.
The Narshen quests were a joke, but damn was Infernal a bitch to deal with. As usual it’s possible with F2P, but it required an extra janky-ass strat to pull off.
Well, since I don’t have a Switch yet I’ll just get this LE + the 3DS version of the game, even though it’s certainly going to be the inferior version.
Not really that interested, but I’ll take Lyn since FE7>all. Or well, it’s mostly that I dislike Luci and am impartial to Ike and Roy.
Nephenee and Black Knight yesssssss!
I got Brave Lyn as my free hero, and already got Brave Lucina. Now I am with 2 orbs… but thanks Mila we have this new free daily orbs and in September 1st we will have the September Quests for more Orbs.
That ad tho…
Black Knight! Nephenee is definitely also a fan favorite. If they’re doing Tempest Trials though, hopefully that means another summoning banner from PoR/RD. If they one with Shinon, Mia, Illyana and/or Volke.. I’d probably lose my mind. I’d really like Elincia or Tibarn too though.
I hope Black Knight is a hero battle, so I can know I’ll get him. I’m waiting for Ellincia, because I like the character and because she’ll probably be unique as a new sword flier or a staff flier, which will help my currently ill-fated Flier Emblem team. I think they’ll eventually add laguz as colorless units, since that’s a weak pool currently (at least they’d be smart to do so).
A flyer healer would be interesting! I wouldn’t mind that. I expect Laguz units to be a new category altogether if/when they add them, like Dragons but doing physical damage instead of magic. Probably introduce Laguzslayer or specific weapons too at the same time.
Yeah, the other option is to go the dragon route and give them colors, but they wouldn’t be able to do it by tribe, since the numbers of each probably aren’t balanced. Probably more likely that you’re right, but I kind of hope I am
and i hope they add some particular mechanic to laguz… i wonder if a transformation guage is possible in this game.
I had 100 orbs to spend I chose Lyn as my free to avoid colorless hell and the only other one I really wanted was Ike, would have minded the other two, but I could have lived with just Lyn and Ike. I of course got barely any green orbs and currently have Lyn, Lucina, and Roy >.> hope the free orbs will be enough to get Ike been super sick and out of work for a couple months so my cash reserves are strapped. But hey Black Knight and Nephenee would like Jill, Illyana, Volke, or Astrid as well but wouldn’t say no to any other PoR characters, which I’m assuming they will be given that that’s PoR armor for the both of them.
It’s always an ambivalent feeling when you pull in the hopes of a specific 5 star only to get another 5 star instead.
Pulling Lucina and Roy in the same session should’ve been cause for celebration, yet I’m somewhat sad that I wasn’t able to get Ike.
Just want to note to people, it looks like Nephenee will come with a Slayer Lance, which rounds out the full set!
Major RIP me – blew over 100 Orbs on Hero Fest so I could end with…Kagero. Now here’s this Banner and me with almost no Orbs…
Better than the past ones even though the hair colors were completely off was cool!
Well that was pretty cringey
Hooray! …but where is Azura?!
She’ll obviously come
So Sakura will probably appear too. Maybe Sakura’s weapon will be the Bloom Festal, with the use of scrolls or bows.
Also, I loved to ear a Warriors’ version of Road Taken, one of my favorite tracks of Fates.
Funny joke.
You know, at this point they should rename this “Fates Warriors”.
I heard that some people also called it the sequel to Fates: “Fates Ft. Marth”. I’m not kidding.
It is the Fates sequel, but they used the Marth Amiibo to get him as a playable character.
So Sakura and Azura are obviously coming so the base roster is almost filled judging from the 25 special card bonus
Likely characters from Shadow Dragon could be Ceada, Minerva, Jeagan, Merric, Linde, Jeorge and Tiki. I’d like to see some rep from Echoes especially with it being the most recent FE game, but unlikely at this point. We have 20 announced characters already (including F Robin who isn’t story mode playable). So with Sakura and maybe Azura to round out the core Fates cast, and 3ish Shadow Dragon characters with one being Tiki (since we already have the amiibo announced), that’ll probably be the Vanilla version, afterwards they’ll start to give the much demanded Hector, Ephraim, and so on as DLC. Personally, I’d love to see some of the Laguz from the Telius games, specifically Ranulf and Tibarn. Also to keep in mind are the villain characters, they say there are 25 character cards, but they might only be of the heroes and none of the villains who, as Warriors games have made a staple, been playable in non-story mode extras.
It’s disappointing that only 3 games are likely to get rep in the base, but I don’t know what people were expecting…they’re going to use the most popular and marketable characters. If you don’t want the game or you want Nintendo to know how you feel, speak with your money and don’t buy it, they are a business after all.
the probelm is ‘speaking with your money’ in this case would likely make another metroid situation…
I don’t think it surprises anybody at this point. Obviously we’re getting every single one of the Fates siblings. Honestly, I just want a couple inclusions that aren’t painfully predictable, because this is honestly just kinda boring to me.
I have no comment about this live action video, but I am looking forward to the Black Knight Grand Hero Battle, hopefully.
Uh huh.
Makes you wish Tharja and Camilla had taken 1st and 2nd in the choose your hero campaign, right? How fun would it have been to see Nintendo try to work around the fanservice to make this promo?
I would pay them money just to watch them squirm about that.
It was silly but I liked it. Also I saw an interview with the developers of Heroes about a week ago were they talked about a few things but mostly gave vague answers about what the sacred coins do and something dealing with supports anyone else hear any more on that?
Woo! I’m so happy to see her~
Anyone else here think a live action Path of Radiance would be interesting?
I mean chances are they’d fuck it up but I think it’d be interesting at least y’know?
Absolutely love the art for Seti and Shiva. I don’t know the characters, but I love when older characters are given the attention
Seti as in the Crusader? Or is there another one I’m unaware of? Unless it’s Ced? I’m not sure how translations work for Cipher >.<
Loving the artwork for them all. I want so many cards, but the booster packs are too expensive. I buy the starter packs, though 😀
It’s Ced. Ced’s name in Japanese is Sety, like the crusader, and since Cipher is Japanese only (and Ced is known as Sety for a long, long time, at least till Awakening’s release IIRC), Sety is still a popular name for him.
This is partially the reason why I want a Jugdral Echoes game.
Frankly, there are plenty of good reasons for a Jugdral Echoes game
Yes. Yes there are.
I just want to see all that glorious 80’s hair in full 3D.
Or failing that, to see how IS reimagines that glorious 80’s hair in full 3D.
Yeah, Seti and Ced are two names for the same person. I’m not quite up to date on all of the newfangled names, especially for those characters that I’ve been thinking of as someone else for so long now. >_>
Kirie, you’ve made an error on September Quests 3. When clearing Chapter 4 on Hard mode or higher, we earn crystals, not shards.
Why live action? Why not animation I mean it takes a while, but…ah I shouldn’t complain. This was pretty cool despite some flaws.
Now I know there are black pantaloons-slash-shorts underneath the skirt. I can rest calm.
That Celica/Alm art is fantastic!
So much cringe.
Check out an actually good Fire Emblem commercial instead:
https://youtu.be/LM-s5C0dnZs
Hello? Kirie? You’re still here? You still haven’t fixed an error on September Quest 3.
Bad news: Lyn lost against Camilla.
Already PO’ed. Can’t wait to get my hands on this.
…wondering how many unwanted Peris I’ll get in my quest to finally get Ephraim…
Wasn’t Moment of Fate the chapter title where Ike faced the Black Knight? I predict well see a Radiant Tempest Trial with Nephenee as a free reward then!
Yes, Chapter 27: Moment of Fate. So the Tempest Trial is gonna be Path of Radiant … but and the “mini” Tempest Trial?
Good catch! Hated that chapter by the way. It sucked going through Part 1 if I didn’t get the Aether I need to beat the Black Knight
Anyone have some SP grinding techniques that they could share? I’m trying to get my brave heroes so they have full skills unlocked but its slow even with the bonus. However I fought quite a few brave heroes, most of which were just base no hero merging, that have skill inheritance and there normal skills completely maxed out. i.e. Brave Ike with Aether, Reposition, Distant Counter, Beorc’s Blessing, and Infantry March3 but going into his character skill list still has Steady Breath and Threaten Def 3 bought.
The Brave Heroes are strong enough that they’ll rarely ever have trouble with the enemies in Tenth Stratum, which is pretty much the go-to place for SP farming. Other than that, complete any unfinished maps you have such as the Chain Challenges.
Summer Tiki, Summer F Robin, and Gray respectively possesses Axe Valor, Lance Valor, and Sword Valor; if you have any of them, put them in the same team as Ike/Lucina/Roy to increase SP gain. No Bow Valor so Lyn’s out of luck in this regard.
Tempest Trials are fantastic for SP farming, and you’ll have three days to grind on the mini one before the bonus expires.
As a I learned from a helpful youtuber (who learned from reddit), the most stamina efficient way to gain SP is to grind normal Chain Challenges. The method involves surrendering on the 10th and final map so that you keep the full SP gained from the previous 9 maps and don’t clear the Chain Challenge (otherwise, the cleared map drops from 3SP per enemy killed to 1SP). I believe the best map to do is Chapters 9 &10 (there was a chart; I don’t remember it exactly). Double SP weekends stacked with Axe valor earned me about 500 SP per run.
All the enemies are roughly level 35 (just high enough to gain SP from) with few or no skills making them easy to take out with one unit if he has a good support team of buffers, healer, and dancer
I’ve been getting SP for my Brave Lyn in the arena.
She gains 12sp per kill due to x2 event and being a bonus unit
Oh weird, I wonder if they’ll put the original FE Warriors characters in Heroes.
Nah, the special maps will only have the characters that are confirmed in Fire Emblem Warriors, such as Marth, Chrom, Robin, Corrin, Ryoma, Xander, and the rest of the Shepherds from Fire Emblem Awakening and the Hoshidans and Nohrians from Fire Emblem Fates. No Rowan or Lianna.
i wanted to hire or summon from the start but for now only fight him as boss kinda feel disappointed.
Tempest Trials Mini, huh? Well, this ought to be fun. But wait? The reward is “Marth” again?! Come on! How lazy can they be?! I wanted a new character from Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade!
Ironically enough, I saw someone comment on the forums wishing for a second chance at “Marth” because she missed her chance the first time.
I never got a chance to do any of these till now, so for a 2nd chance at it will be great! Plus u could just +1 ur marth. Plus it a mini event till the big one coming. So no its not lazy. Just something small, till the bigger one.
I mainly hope that this Luc- I mean Masked Marth actually comes with skills at the very least.
For Marth coming with skills I kind of doubt it but I got 5 star marth last time but ill take a +2 marth (leveled my 4 star as well) but I missed quicked pulse because I got extremely sick around the time it was about to end so I hope that’s there too.
Nope. If this is the same Masked Marth (and it looks that way), she will come with a Falchion as her weapon and that’s it. No other skills. Same stats as neutral IV Lucina.
Edit: https://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Marth_(Masked) Link to her wiki page.
I’ve got a +2 +def -hp Lucina, theoretically I don’t need another 5* Masked Marth, but the ideia of getting a merged 5* unit for free is very very good, so of course I will be getting her.
Its not lazy this is great for people that didn’t had a chance before.
The first Tempest Trial was really hard. We had difficult battles to got only few points, so not that much players got a 5 stars “Marth” from this Tempest Trial (I am one of this players).
I am really happy to have a new chance to get “Marth” again, so I can have a Full 5-Stars Lucina team.
I can’t even imagine the effort you had to put in to claim “Marth” from the first TT, because the hardest trial offered a disproportionately low amount of points.
I put in roughly the same amount of effort on the first TT and the previous one; I respectively reached scores around 27,000 and >100,000.
The first tempest trials was absolutely disgusting. Screw that green tome loli and her massive inflated stats.
I don’t even know how I mustered the inner strength to get Quick Impulse.
Tempest finally got good on the second Echoes one when you could have your Gray and Sonya with beefed stats and rock the world. The daily bonus also made it so much more rewarding in the end.
I actually maxed out the first Tempest Trials (I wanted the orbs as a F2P player). I won’t say I regret it, but I also won’t say I’m not a little scarred. It really sucked, but I had it down to a science in the end. My fingers moved through that final map automatically
You’ve never played other mobile games before have you? Because doing re-run “lite” versions of events is a common thing, it allows the newer players to get the same content as the older players.
Awesome! My Ninian just reached level 40 yesterday! 😀
I know who my Bonus Unit will be.
Ha called Sakura wielding a yumi and knew obviously Male Corrin would involved in some way via choice fit the actual game which is cool now Azura is left to be shown for the Fates side!
Eh it’s unlikely, especially since F!Corrin’s already been marketed as the sole representative of the two as far as Story Mode goes. That being said it is very possible that your choice of Rowan or Lianna will determine which side of the conflict you start out on (ex. Rowan was featured without his sister amongst the Hoshidan royal family).
How about we wait and see with more info
A favourite past-time of many is to speculate on new information before they’re officially revealed. There’s really no harm in doing so.
Still assuming F!Corrin as promotion still isn’t confirmed if anything its to make the boxart not be a complete sausage fest with only Lianna.
This game will be a success in japan and bomb in the west, the opposite of Hyrule Warriors.
I think your putting too much into the small % of hardcore fans getting salty over Fates. This game will do fine over here, just a small % with lots of time to talk smack haha.
I disagree with the idea that the people disappointed are a small percentage. I think that a decent portion of the community are disappointed that such a small fraction of a series with as long and storied a history as fire emblem is is being represented in every crossover game they’ve made.
I don’t think enough people will be upset enough for it to effect their purchase, but it is a disappointing trend as the results of the heroes poll showed that people really love some of the older titles.
I know that unless some characters I love get introduced soon that I’m not going to be able to bring myself to buy this. Which is a shame given how much I love both fire emblem and warriors gameplay.
I’ll likely buy it whenever the inevitable dlc comes out with older characters, in part to show that including them is what is selling the copy, but it makes me sad given what happened in Hyrule Warriors my favorite characters arn’t going to be allowed to touch the story mode at all.
There is a limit in room of how many chars can be in story mode, the fact people want 100+ chars in the story mode, makes me roll my eyes. I get we all want our fav chars in a game. but if people got what they wanted, they would be crying the story makes no sense and it feels weird to have 100 chars all thrown in peoples faces… Game play/Story and what people are are two different things when doing game design.
I imagine they chose to focus on a small number FE games to draw characters from to make a more cohesive story, which yeah it could be argued that wasn’t an issue with Hyrule Warriors, but that story wasn’t very good in that game since it just boiled down, “let go to this Zelda world for 2 battles and meet this character.” Something else to keep in mind is that there are going to be supports unlike Hyrule Warriors, so they definitely want there to be a higher focus on character/story development as oppose to the bare minimum was got from Hyrule Warriors.
I imagine/hope that each additional character that we’ll also get an added side story aspects focused on them like with Heroes and that each character get supports of their own. We’ll be able to gauge things out with F Robin who isn’t going to be involved in the main story; if she has supports then it’s reasonable to assume that DLC characters will get supports too and be more than just a gameplay addition.
I think you misunderstand the opposition’s argument. People aren’t arguing for some 100+ character roster, they’re asking for some amount of representation from games that aren’t awakening or fates.
I’m not asking for 15 Elibe characters, but where is Lyn or Hector? I don’t think the entire Griel Mercenaries needs to be playable, but Ike and Sorin would be cool.
I was excited when Cordelia got announced because it was something I didn’t expect. Everyone knew from pretty much day one that all of the fates siblings would be in it, they aren’t really news. With the game so close to release can you really blame people for being a bit upset at the roster as shown? It feels to people like this is practically the final roster, and in a game like this it’s critically under-representing the series.
You don’t need to disregard arguments just because you disagree with them.
I’m not disregarding mate, I understand ur pain. I’m just trying to see it from a game dev’s point of view. I think they know people want Ike/Lyn ect, but adding in every char that people love, would be a large under taking. And even if they got 100 chars, some one will get upset there fav was not in.
They prob had to say, Ok lets pick the 3 3DS games and just work with that “For now” and look at DLC’s after. I know I will spend 95% of my time doing the end game stuff.
Nah I feel it’ll do great here despite the vocal minority that’s complaining.
I thought they hinted they would reveal SD characters in the Famitsu? Hopefully in the rest of it?
SD are coming soon after these 2, from the hints.
11 never happened, the series started at 13.
I’m just waiting for the day that coverage ends for this game and it becomes forever forgotten just like #FE. Then we can start seeing if FE Switch is as good as Echoes and the older games or as bad as Awakening, Fates, and Herpes.
What a completely useless comment.
He’s right you know.
No ur just been salty kid who wants it all ur way.
Salty? Maybe so. My way? That I want a more equal representation of characters rather than a focus of two games and Marth? I don’t know about you but ‘my way’ seems to be the way that would make the most amount of people happy.
“Your way” also happens to be unrealistic given the sheer scale of the Fire Emblem franchise. Assuming each non-remake received two characters, the roster would be 24-large; which you’ll notice is extremely close to the roster count of the game at present.
Two characters per game nowhere comes near “equal representation”, and even bumping the limit to three characters per game is unreasonable since the vast majority of first installments in the hack and slash genre contain playable characters in the 20 range. Until FEW becomes its own series with renown on par with Dynasty Warriors or even Samurai Warriors, you have to be content with your two dozen characters.
The only feasible solution for increasing character count at this point in time would be to create gameplay clones, but people like you will no doubt throw a fit about that as well.
Honestly, two characters from each game sounds vastly superior to what we’re currently getting. At least by doing that, no one will have any right to complain. What’s really unrealistic is assuming that everyone’s favorite characters will get in. If I wanted Sain and Kent gets in, then I would’ve just shut up and taken what I’ve gotten. Also, if you count FE1/3, 4/5, 6/7, and 9/10 as four separate games, you can fit in even more characters. And that is also disregarding the potential of dlc.
There are quite a few routes that could’ve been taken in the creation of this game, but they took one of the shittiest ones. And yet there are apologists that are fine with their decisions. Well, no wonder, they can play with their precious waifus after all.
Great. Now that you got that out of your system, you can take the game for what it is and just have fun with it. We are lucky this game is even being made. Just because your “equal representation” didn’t happen, doesn’t mean this game won’t be enjoyable.
Eh? Extreme opinion? I don’t remember even mentioning gameplay.
Actually, fyi, I have the switch limited + the 3ds version preorderered. I’m looking forward to playing it for what is, for the same reason I’ve played FE13/14 for 90 and 180 hours respectively. I can’t go around claiming the game is shit without giving it a proper chance first. However, that doesn’t mean the game is free from criticism, and character selection is a big part of what makes the game for me, whether or not the gameplay is stellar.
Sorry, but you didn’t have to mention gameplay to take an extreme standpoint. An Tran stated, “I’m just waiting for the day that coverage ends for this game and it becomes forever forgotten just like #FE.” That sounds like an extremely negative point of view and you said, “He’s right you know.” So I assume you agree this game should be forgotten, meaning it has nothing of noteworthiness despite you having not even played it.
Oh, that. I figured he was making a joke (as he usually posts semi-ironically while still making a point) and I responded with the Freeman meme in mind. I’m confident he was exaggerating. ‘Forgotten’ is a bit harsh, but it hasn’t left a good first impression on me, that’s for sure.
lol Echoes isn’t some golden standard for FE like you people think it is, it had it’s plethora of problems just like every other game in the series. To put all the older games and Echoes on this pedestal as an ideal FE game, and Awakening/Fates as the worst in the series just makes you look retarded. Take off the nostalgia glasses.
I mean when it comes to presentation (voice acting, art, etc) it should be the golden standard, it is the best of the series in that aspect. I agree though, the game has its many negative aspects which are somewhat because of the game being too faithful the original, which is considered the worst of the series by many.
Omega Force is pretty great at what they do, so I suspect people will be discussing FEW for a long while given that it already presents itself as more complex than HW.
Being one of the few original RPGs of the Wii U, I also suspect #TMS will be vindicated in later years. It may not have been what everyone wanted and expected, but it still turned out pretty fun in the end with the DDS-style battles.
While Echoes WAS a step up from Awakening and Fates in terms of storytelling it still had it’s very noticeable flaws and didn’t even bother to improve the map design, I’m just hoping FE Switch doesn’t give us another taste of Mary Sue Emblem and IntSys doesn’t fuck up again.
What I’m REALLY hoping for most though is that we don’t need to suffer from another painful localization fiasco.
You can get one stalk of corn if you go Rowan, a female stalk of corn if you go Lima Bean, or if you go the third Marth route you can get both stalks for an extra $19.99 (USD)
The wait is killing me. Only 1.5 months away now…
Oh man, Sakura got revealed. We only had all the other Fates siblings barring Azura, I could’ve never guessed this was coming!…
I’m sorry, this has just gotten old for me ages ago. I think I’ve stated this before, but I want to see my expectations subverted. I want to see things that I don’t think are horribly predictable. Azura is basically inevitable right now, Tiki was hinted at before through the amiibo, and I’m sure they’re gonna throw in a couple villains. (What are the odds we’ll see Garon and Validar, at least? Maaaybe Gharnef and/or Medeus…) So how many characters large is the roster at that point? I don’t want this game to disappoint me… but it’s doing absolutely nothing to steer away from that.
Validar has actually been soft-confirmed (unknown if playable). A screenshot of the new History Mode shows him speaking to Chrom and M!Robin (since the particular map for that mode appears to be the Interlude/Chapter 23 of Awakening).
Oh jolly…
He’s an Enemy NPC only by the looks of it https://twitter.com/bk2128/status/905112163869536256
Oh, I love the idea of the History Mode (as a Spanish user I hope how the mode will be called as History and Story use the same word in Spanish, “Historia”).
I also love the skill system, and the return of the character progression with badges from HW.
It also seems that finally we get the “multiweapon” characters with this class changes (maybe their denial was for the base classes).
However, I prefer 1000 times Walhart… but probably Validar was the most “consistent” option (also it WILL be playable, as Ganondorf, Zant and Ghirahim are playable characters in Hyrule Warriors).
Warriors games have had bosses who weren’t playable at all before, which is why I’m cautious to just straight out say its like Hyrule Warriors in this case quite yet.
Fire Emblem Warriors is following many steps of Hyrule Warriors (maybe because to ensure their fans into this new crossover, maybe because being the second Nintendo crossover with Warriors), so I assume this won’t be different (as they also confirmed the badges from HW).
Obviously, you’re writting a news post, so you can’t put personal opinions, but I used my “normal user superpowers” (XD) to say my personal opinion. Obviously can be the chance of not being playable, but considering is the only sorcerer confirmed so far and (again, in my opinion) add a potential playable character only as a boss would be ridiculous I think Validar is 99% probable to be a playable character.
Haha normal person powers are nice! Honestly I do think you have a solid line of thought here.
The sad part is to trade a QPulse for mere 300 feathers…
I literally JUST summoned a 5* Lyn trying to pull normal Ike.
Validar is the most logical option for an Awakening villain, IMO. Wouldn’t mind Aversa coming alongside him, think it would make sense. Do we have reason to believe that the 25 character thing is a hard limit? Maybe they won’t make cards for all the characters.
It’s just a theory at the moment, we can’t really be sure until we’re given more information on that.
My guess is that the 25 character limit is for the heroes and not the villains. So I imagine that vanilla FE Warriors will have 25 heroes and how ever many villains, with all the villains hopefully being playable. I’d also like Aversa too, which isn’t out of the realm of possibilities since it seems vanilla is only going to have 3 games with representation.
Well we just got the confirmation that Validar is an Enemy NPC, so he’s not playable in the base game it looks like
https://twitter.com/bk2128/status/905112163869536256
I think this doesn’t change anything. Again with Hyrule Warriors, we had Cia, Volga and Wizzro as unplayable bosses, but later they were playable as a free DLC soon after the game launch. Also, in the video Koei Tecmo used to reveal playable enemies, they revealed first the characters and after the capability of play with them (from the beginning). I’m still sure Validar (and the other bosses they’ll reveal) will be playable (and most likely from launch).
Again, is a prediction that can fail, but I still think this changes nothing (is quite probable the article refers to his appearance in this mode).
Yeah I just like things being accurate to what is said for the time being, just me being me haha, I know the HW trends.
Hearing all this stuff is a big relief. Really hope they make some villains playable either here or in the dlc, especially the Black knight. Give me the Black knight!!!
Can’t have the Black Knight if even Ike’s not here, and at this rate it would be a godsend if he’s in the base game.
Yeah I meant in dlc. And it would be pretty foolish to not put out a lot of dlc for this game like they did with Hyrule warriors.
How many DLC characters were there in Hyrule Warriors? IIRC around a dozen? Sorry, I didn’t really follow the DLCs to closely in that game. If they put out around the same amount, I’d say that’s roughly only enough to cover the main lords of the older games.
If I remember correctly the original game had 16 and the dlc added 13. But it also added new weapons and thus completely new movesets for existing characters (which I doubt they will put in the dlc this time around). Also fe has waaayyy more potential characters than Zelda (really felt like they needed to scrape the barrel sometimes for the dlc). So I’m hoping that they double the amount of characters or close to it.
In before someone make jokes about how you need Chrom’s Leather Belt to craft Luna.
I’d have done it myself, but I have to be at least semi professional 😛
As much as I love the fates royals (and esp. The imoutos) can we just announce azura and get to SD news?
Love skills from Awakening/Fates I miss them since echoes SoV!
Hahah. Fun! Obviously it’s a B-rated production, but it’s fun to see what live-action versions of our favorite characters look like.
Looking at the picture, seems that Promoting doesn’t reset the character’s Level.
Does this mean that by playing history mode we’ll be basically playing a remake of awakening, fates and possibly shadow dragon? If so, then I’m game!
Male Corrin is Hoshidan? What drugs have they been taking?
The same kind they’ve been taking since Fates itself was released. Male Corrin was depicted as Hoshidan way back in the cover for Birthright, and female Kana was similarly the Hoshidan ally in Heirs of Fate.
Ahh so the really strong stuff that messes with their minds and makes them think wrong! Thanks for the info!
“The allies share a mutual respect.” But my Robin and Lucina are mother and daughter…
However I am amused that there is officially a sprite representing “you” in the game now. XD
It’d be interesting to see them try to incorporate “you” into the game as a customizable unit…doubt it though.
I wish I was playable that’d be cool to see how that’d work!
I’m not into the support system here. They say they’re looking out for a power creep but that’s kind of all that seems like to me. That said, it’s cool that they seem aware of some of the complaints people are having. They did indirectly reveal that coins won’t have anything to do with boons or banes, as people hoped, but I’m still holding out for a hero shop or skill shop. They’ll have to make them available by other means though
Last, I actually don’t have too much of an issue with cavalry teams. Yes it would be a bummer if everyone used one (and I think more “active” players do than their numbers indicate), but they’re actually really easy to build and for the most part the best weapon F2P players have against difficult PvE challenges. It’s also pretty much impossible to lose to another cavalry team when using m a cavalry team in arena, though facing seven of them in a row in arena assault is not fun.
Maybe I’m just not as hardcore as a lot of fans, but they keep adding more and more complexity to the game and for me that’s making it lose a lot of it’s appeal. I’m surprised it’s evolved as fast as it has, I’m struggling to keep up.
Well put! Make sure you send your feedback through the app!
Is there a specific spot within Heroes where you can do that, or do we have to use the App Store review system? I’ve been looking for a spot like that within Heroes and haven’t been able to find one.
Misc -> FAQ/etc -> Customer support
on the other hand, people were complaining it was too bland and easy before tempest trials started up so..
Not really its fine for me!
I’m more of a hardcore fan but even I think they’re adding too much too fast. At one point its going to be hard to keep on topping what we already have so the game will most likely be stagnant with new features. They should be stretching out the release date on these things. Not to mention how pointless some of these things are. Like the support system and the daily battles (the seriously could have just given us 2 orbs a day instead of making us waste AP to do those redundant quests. Only ones who would have trouble would be those who literally start the game on the same day. All you have to do is basically just auto battle for waste in AP and a free orb). Obviously support is a way to boost your characters with everything being powercreeped. But just like the vounting gauntlet, they’re not trying to actually fix the problems but just superficially putting a bandaid over it.
They know its a main core popular of course it would be added for what little it is.
At least no cringey supports were added. Anyhow, time to buff my Sheema to astronomical levels.
Why were you even expecting support convos for this type of game in the first place? that would be too much space consumption the short text and brief VA is good enough.
Yeah, well, that’s my point exactly. Nothing substantial would’ve come out of it.
Uh, you didn’t say anything about the 3rd Squad Assault that was just added.
Hey, the 3rd Squad Assault has been added, and yet I can’t beat it, but those cheaters with SI can.
OR…you can just wait for someone to post a video showing how to do it using on F2P and no SI. Every event and challenge like the GHB and SA 1 and 2 have videos like that. It really comes down to using janky skills and under utilized characters for many of these F2P strats.
I will say that this was the easiest Squad Assault I played so far
I bet you cheated with your SI.
Yea
Gave Reinhardt death blow 5 and used him in every map
jokes aside I do have several units in level 40
Feh was right. The CYL voting gauntlet was intense.
New challenge? Time to trial and error it up. Also, it’s about time we got word on Nephenee and the Black Knight. Now when it comes to the fliers, I’d say Palla is the most useful for SI fodder with Palla giving the often used Moonblow. Next would be Narcian who is the only one that gives Lancebreaker at 4*. Least useful is Est much to the dismay of her own archetype.
Well Infernal mode has me stumped so far. I guess I’ll wait for the community to bail me out. Love the artwork. Really hope I don’t have to try to pull for them (Nephenee seems like the Tempest Trials prize and I would’ve sworn the Black Knight would be a Hero Battle, except that one is currently scheduled for this month). I really hope the Black Knight makes armor more viable (Distant Counter Alondite with Amelia’s stats would be a good starting point).
As for the fliers, has to be Narcian for exclusivity and Lancebreaker, but I would’ve really liked to see Hinoka here, even as a 4*, just for Hone Fliers
Personally I think Black Knight will appear as the boss of the Tempest Trials and will be available as a GHB later on in October after the Trials are over. Just a theory, though.
This is my thought too. Black Knight will be a GHB after the Trial ends. This will be like Clive, who appeared in the chapter maps and then as a reward in the Tempest Trial a month later.
I also think this is likely. I think it’s pretty much certain from the name of the event that he will appear as the final boss of the Trials, and given the timing, a Hero Battle in October would make sense. I’m really hoping though
Ok, this Bound Hero Battle was surprisely easy! I got all 3 difficulties in my first try.
Why would you tweet for anyone but Narcian? You can summon the other 3 pretty easily.
Speaking personally, I tweeted for Palla. I still need a good Palla for Flier Emblem, and my only one right now has a bad nature. I seem to be unlucky summoning her. I guess it doesn’t help that most of the units I’ve wanted lately are Blues.
Narcian sounds like coming out of nowhere between the White Wings xD ! Minerva or Michalis will have more reasons, but ok! Haha… Mmm, maybe I will go for Est this time since I already have a 5*Catria and a 4*Palla
Slay me Nephenee.
Finally, I can get the Quickened Pulse Sacred Seal! But, I have no use for Masked Marth, that character is weak without skills! Also, Hector is the boss of this Mini Tempest Trial? …Just, why?
Do you happen to have a Lucina? If not, or if you only have one with a bad boon/bane combination (like me, +HP/-Atk is not fun), I think putting a bit of effort into building Masked Marth is quite worthwhile. I’ve built mine into a medic set with Renewal and Reciprocal Aid, and it’s really really nice in Tempest Trials and Chain Challenges, and makes a pretty reliable unit in her own right. Of course, it takes a good bit of effort and resources to get there, but I think it’s worth it. And hey, this second coming means I can merge mine to +1, completely for free. I can’t complain.
Hector being the boss is most likely a gag, since the Hector on “Marth’s” side states the enemy berserker wouldn’t be a match for him. Having them be the same person would be the joke in this case.
Welp, now that Boey has broken my 4% pity rate on the CYl banner (at least it was a good Boey, will be worth building), it’s time for me to save orbs again. And this TT hands them out like candy, thanks to the halved score requirements. I can save myself a good bit of grinding taking advantage of the tripled score on the first two runs of every day on the 7-map Lunatic challenge, then I’ll just do some auto-battle runs on Hard-5 to boost the score further.
Ah yes, let’s give out the same rewards for a much lower score total that some people worked hella hard to achieve previously. Sounds fair. I guess I’ll get some extra feathers for my troubles, but shit man. Even though the event is shorter it’s not particularly difficult to rack those points up.
Agreed. I maxed out the Trials the first time and it was not fun at all. Although that one gave out more orbs than this one (I believe), and the Distant Defense seal is new, so there’s that
So because the last ones were long boring and too hard for others, they should just make them all the same because you had to work hard on one, so we all have to suffer……
I’m fine with changes to this system, and they already made it easier with the bonus points. But it’s not particularly fun when the same skill is given out essentially for free compared to how it was previously, without acknowledging how hard others worked to get it.
Your “reward” was having it for 3 months before others. That means you had it for 2 tempest trials, many GHB, BHB and others challenges,, not to mention many seasons of arena. That is not worthless.
I swear…
Look, the only thing I mind is how easy it is to get it (I already got it after like 7 runs). What was the point of having it as a really cool and exclusive reward for putting down a lot of effort in the first trial, if it’s going to be given away for much less at a later date? It takes away parts of what made it nice to have if you see everyone having it. Now, if they had put it as the 50k reward in this trial instead of 6k I wouldn’t have been complaining.
Look if exclusivity is an issue to you that’s fine, but I’m sorry it absolutely looks like it’s one of your points.
In a sense, yes. Not to the point where I don’t want anyone to ever have the skill apart from the ones who got it first, but more along the lines of what I already wrote. It’s just too easy to get it.
It isn’t even possible to get the 5 star “Marth” in just 7 runs; the two score bonuses only grant around 4200 points in a perfect run with the 40% bonus, there’s still roughly 10800 points to obtain following the two bonuses. If you can repeatedly achieve AAA on the highest difficulty, it’d still take a little more than a dozen runs to get “Marth”. If you’re going to pout, you should at the very least make sure your claims aren’t completely absurd.
The first TT was infamous for being too grindy, “Marth” was a disappointing prize as (s)he was just neutral Lucina with no skills, and the playerbase for Heroes has vastly grown in the time since; it makes perfect sense for the rewards to be rereleased in a manner that’s easier to obtain. If 5 star “Marth” was kept at the 30K checkpoint like with the previous 5 stars, you bet there’ll be whining.
I was talking about the pulse seal in particular, not MM. My bad for not specifying that.
I still stand by my point that 6k is far too tiny of a score for such a good seal however.
Aww. Poor Pebbicle. Now everyone will have the awesome thing that we worked for three months ago. Apparently, you are not familiar with gacha games, since these repeat events that follow are literally designed to catch people up that missed it. This helps eliminate some of the power creep by purposefully leveling the playing field.
As others have already mentioned, your reward for hard work and being a Day 1 player is that you’ve had QP for three months, which made the other two Tempest Trials significantly easier. You also have had it for your Reinhardt to nuke people in Arena, netting you 900 feathers every week for months. You had it on GHBs to make the Infernal difficulty easier, and you had it on the BHBs to get additional orbs for more chances at good heroes.
But not only do people have that seal, we now also have your salty tears for our popcorn. Thanks for that.
It’s almost as if you people are incapable of reading.
No, I don’t play gacha games, because it’s a shite genre. I don’t even have a Rein and I build teams that don’t revolve around that particular seal. I get what you’re trying to say, but it’s irrelevant in regards to my point.
I’m more than capable of reading. This is also my first gacha game, but I’m aware that this is common practice. It doesn’t matter that you don’t build teams around that seal or use Reinhardt. What is absolutely true is that you’re crying about the fact that a super exclusive reward is now all but free to everyone. You feel that it negates your hard work. You also fail to acknowledge the fact that your true reward was that you had it for 3 months whether or not you used it.
Suck it up buttercup, but this is how the game works. The game will continue to hand out some freebies to keep the playing field level in order to negate the effect of power creep. If this bothers you, then perhaps this isn’t the game for you.
But since you feel that your exclusivity is gone, I went ahead and made a prize just for you. Enjoy!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68a40724c1c09f7e2f9cab43a5bffc4de3f75a16620ac81dde0baf25a8a10dd7.jpg
Lmao, sick photoshop bro.
Honestly though, what’s wrong with that? Don’t you find it a bad practice? It’s not power creeping if everyone has the ability to get the seal. Again, the points required to get it should be higher than 6k, which is what I’ve been trying to convey all along. I don’t mind people getting it. I do mind how easy it is to get it. I’m fine with others having it. The score total for getting it is far too low.
Do you want me to repeat or rephrase it for you further?
So to sum up your argument, it’s not power creep if everyone can get it, but you want it to be hard to get, so not everyone can get it. Or at a minimum, you want people to have to work harder for it, which would mean that some people are still unable to get it. Ultimately, you want to make sure that some people can’t get it to make your hard work in Tempest Trials 1 feel more important.
I see nothing wrong with the game handing out some of the better things to help out new players. The game is boring if you have so much power that you can just roll over every team in Arena. The people that weren’t able to get 50,000 points in the first Tempest aren’t really going to be the ones competing with me now, but it will help level the playing field so they can catch up a bit.
Incidentally, the only people getting it in 7 runs are the people that got it the first time. How do I know? I’m playing my reroll account just to get the seal, and despite having some decent units, they can’t handle the hardest difficulty. So for people that don’t already have a really good team to get the top points for their first two runs, 6000 points is still at least some effort.
And while we’re at it, it’s not even “hard work” to get any of the rewards in Tempest Trials. It’s really just time and stamina. You can grind the lower levels with enough stamina potions, and the game gives you at least one stamina potion for finishing a round. Most anyone can do that if they play the easier settings. So the thing that you’re calling “work” is that you sat with your phone in your hand for several hours to get a thing in a game that by your own admission, you don’t even really use. Despite this, you don’t want everyone else to be able to use it, and definitely not easily.
The game itself is pretty dang bad, yet I play it continously because I’ve been with this series for 16 years. I don’t even know why I’m arguing about it, but here I am. It’s true that this game is not really difficult in any department, since if you have enough cash to spend you can effectively blaze through everything. But I still don’t see the point of luring people to play a lot for a reward that later on will be (comparably) easy to get.
Obviously you don’t care for the same things I do, and that’s cool. Just don’t come here and tell me that I’m wrong for thinking the way I do.
From now on I’m just going to keep in mind that this game doesn’t like playing fair when there is some really nice reward that will likely end up much easier to obtain in the near future.
To be honest, that first Tempest was pretty terrible. Veronica was by far the hardest boss, and she was guarded by the hardest arrangement of potential enemies. It also lacked the triple score boost or the stat boosts on bonus units. The only reason I played enough to GET the seal in the first place is I needed something mindless to take my mind off of medical board prep, which was the other mindless task I was doing.
I can understand that you don’t think it’s fair that the really hard and tedious thing we did back then is now easy to do, but your argument essentially boils down to “It was hard for me, so it must be hard for you too.” Even if we adjusted it to 30,000 points to account for the shorter duration, the seal would still be significantly easier due to changes in the system.
Ultimately, the low price point of the seal is to make the game more fair. It allows people that were not able to effectively counter Veronica back then to have a shot. Even some really good players weren’t able to handle that Tempest. Heck, the only reason I was able to is my efforts to get Ike and then Ryoma yielded me a Young Tiki instead of the prize I wanted. Turns out, she was EXTREMELY useful.
It’s not so much that you’re wrong, but your attitude about it is what is getting you so much flak. You say that you’re all for not having power creep, but then you say that you want the thing that negates the power creep to be difficult to get. Ultimately, you want some mark of recognition for doing Tempest Trials 1 a minimum of 86 times. Your mark of recognition is the fact that you had Quickened Pulse for the last three months, which made it easier to get Xander and Camus especially.
If you want your mark of exclusivity, make Masked Marth +3. The only way to do that is to have been there at the first Tempest. Then you can lord her over other people and feel special. Otherwise, you essentially come across as an elitist, and that’s why you’re getting called out for it. This event is meant to balance the game because IS realized that making it so hard to get the first time was a mistake, and it only made the people that could get it that much better than everyone else. This event is an equalizer, and by definition that makes the game as a whole fair. If it does this at the expense of making those of us that spent HOURS getting Quickened Pulse the first time feel less special, then I would say that you need to reevaluate your life if owning a digital thing is what brings value to your life.
If you are bothered by the fact that the other three tempests have had mediocre rewards, then I can’t really offer you anything on that front. Tobin is still sort of useful in Arena Assault, but I’ll agree that Clive is little more than a potential supplier of horse buffs or a cheap way to pass someone Silver Lance+. You can at least take solace in the fact that the next Tempest Trial Mini will be giving people a cheap chance to score Tobin.
Did you delete your last comment? I was going to reply to it now since I didn’t have access to a PC earlier, but I can’t find it. Doesn’t matter much though, saved me a 20min write up haha.
I didn’t delete any comments. I added a couple lines to the one above this one, but that’s it.
Weird. I don’t see it either, but I don’t see where or if I was moderated.
That’s strange indeed. All I saw was that it was a relatively long post that I didn’t have time to respond to at the time. Don’t think you wrote anything worthy of deletion when I skimmed it through.
Maybe Luna’s activation rate is Skill but how strong the Luna effect is is determined by Luck?
Well well well, look what we’ve got here!
The case of Male Corrin was quite obvious, but as all the “quite obious” things, is good to have an official confirmation.
History Mode is nearly without doubt the Adventure Mode of Hyrule Warriors. Marth in the Thabes map is the player sprite, as the 8bit sprites of the characters appear in the map sections of the Adventure Mode. What I’m curious, however, is this “Anna’s Memory”. I presume (or maybe I only want to believe XD) it could be the expression to describe the unlock of characters in the History Mode (don’t lie to ourselves, Male Corrin and Female Robin have all the numbers of being unlockable in this mode), so… It could be a hint of Anna being a playable character. Other possibility could be that, like Shadows of Valentia, it unlocks some cinematics (maybe showing HD versions of Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates?).
The “illusion” of Rowan wielding lances is hillarious. It shows how we never have to believe all what we see for the first time XD.
Appraisal is identicas (following the description given in this article) to the weapon mechanic of Hyrule Warriors, with weapons with diferents abilities and the capability of unlock some of them, transfer them (forging) and different ranks for each individual weapon. However, we have the change (improvement?) of the weapons’ stats and ranks.
Skills in this game still are a mystery for me. I also believe we have a maximum of 6 skills for each character, but a base of 3 (forcing us to unlock the rest of the slots). As for activation, I hardly doubt that are as other FE games, activating a microcinematic each time they activate (this will completely break the dynamic gameplay the developers are searching). Instead, I think (though I’m not pretty sure) that all of the skills are passive ones.
Finally, it’s pretty obvious that the Badge/Emblem system is a replica of the one in HW.
This Famitsu article only strengthens my belief of villains as Validar (and potentially Gharnef seing the History Mode screenshot) being playable (at least with a future free-DLC as Cia, Volga and Wizzro cases in HW, but I strongly believe they’ll be playable from the very beginning). Fire Emblem Warriors is, in few words (and exagerating a little bit :P), an upgraded and FE-thematized version of Hyrule Warriors, so the surprise will be Validar and other possible villains finally not being playable, even if they have generic movesets.
I expect Anna to be the Great Fairy equivalent of this game, probably unlocked deep into History mode. Also am totally ok with FE Warriors being an upgraded version of Hyrule Warriors with Fire Emblem characters. I played the hell out of that game. Would not be surprised if they kept it similar due to the player-base likely being fairly overlapping.
About Anna, is likely to have her playable and unlockable in History Mode, as you say (I would say examples as Ruto or Zant, because the Great Fairy is a weapon, but… I understand XD).
And about FEW possibly being a Hyrule Warriors upgraded version… I didn’t said this as a bad thing. In fact, as you, I like the idea. Also, I think the same as you about the player-base (probably a way to attract Hyrule Warriors fans who don’t know about Fire Emblem).
Finally some more gameplay info!
A couple of thoughts:
1. Skill activations could simply be expressed as a random chance of an individual attack applying the skill’s effects, along with a correspondingly-colored light flash
e.g. Luna would be a purple [whatever it’s called when metal hits metal and sparks fly] and would ignore the enemy’s defense and/or pierce a guard.
Astra would probably massively boost the speed of your attacks for 5 hits while slightly weakening your damage, with green flashes
etc.
2. I just thought of a way that they could at least acknowledge some of the other games, even if they don’t plan on having characters from those games.
They could add monsters from Gaiden/Sacred Stones/Echoes as enemy-only units.
It’d give the enemies a bit more variety than just human enemies alone.
In regards to characters from other games, while I’m also disappointed with their absence, it’s likely they will be added as DLC. The success of Lyndis, Ike, and Roy in FE Hero’s Choose Your Legends survey means those three are likely to appear. Or I could just be wrong, but I really think it’s likely that there will be more characters added as DLC.
I wonder how class changes will be handled for characters like Ryoma or Frederick, who are technically already in their promoted forms? I could see Chrom promoting to his Great Lord form, Takumi into a Sniper, etc. but will prepromotes simply have a non-aesthetic class-change or perhaps (heaven forbid) an original new costume? For that matter, Lissa, Sakura and Elise counts too, since they blend their base and promoted classes. Marth also, I guess, since IIRC he never had a promoted form.
ahhh I want the Velouria and Selkie cards so much! The father-son cards are also really neat looking.
Along with Velouria, we need that Forrest and Siegbert one for sure outta the sons~ +_+
Is anyone else bothered that it’s only probably going to be main characters? I’m so tired of Lucina and etc. There are other cool characters in the Fates/Awakening games..
The more Fates/Awakening we get, the more other people cry sadly.
Yeah but I can’t see how they could cry any more than they already are. So in that aspect, it seems worth it. It’s not like adding or not adding anymore is going to make them want the game any more/less.
If this is all that Awakening is going to have, I feel disappointed as an Awakening fan. So they’re just displeasing two types of fans this way.
I just want the 3 fates/awakening crossover charecters (and thier kids)
scratch that I just want owain and ophilia
Thanks for the opinon! I’d love to see Severa and Soleil! I’d also love to see Nowi, Henry, Lonqu, Keaton, or Velouria. But I don’t think any of those characters have a chance. I thought Nowi and Henry did, but now I’ve lost hope.
The roster sucks not because its just awakening or fates. It’s because they’re only using the important story characters. Cordelia is on that gray line, but she’s essentially just Sumia’s replacement.
You got Chrom’s little brigade, the marketing crossdresser herself, the Fates family …. and Marth.
That’s some serious lack of variety no matter how much you look at it. Every fire emblem game has such a big roster that people all over have different favorites or characters that they enjoy. Literary using the most ”essential” characters from 3 games is definitely much much worse than just-
”Here’s all the main characters from the series…” Which would have worked.
In the end, I don’t get Gregor or Arthur, people don’t get Tharja, and you don’t get what you want either.
Will the game still be a success? Who knows. Chrom and Tharja sure didn’t increase sales in Mirage Sessions and that game was also a train wreck. Chrom and Lucina didn’t help project X zone 2 as well.
Thats what this game feels. Its just one giant advertisement for Awakening and Fates. re-telling the same story with some hack and slash. So you BUY the real thing if you didn’t already.
I’m inclined to believe this game is more advertisement for some HD Fates collection for the switch or something like that.
Remember when Corrin was put in Smash? oh yeah, Nintendo is all about advertisement right now.
The games mechanics are more what I care about and are paying off nicely, its a safer want. Would I have picked a different roster? Yeah, but I think the game is fine as is, as a Warriors fan. Roster saltiness is making people just too uppity in my opinion.
Also PXZ2 wasn’t meant to sell tons of copies, it was just a Sega, Capcom & Namco celebration that just happened to have some Ninty characters, and TMS was just unfortunately timed and advertised but was overall an alright game.
If youre buying it for the mechanics. by all means, go for it. have fun. I just won’t myself (and many others) if My only picks are, Chrom, Ryoma, Xander and possibly Lissa. (3 swords dang…)
I don’t want to use Camilla as my ONLY wyvern rider of choice or Takumi as my archer. I jus don’t like them.
And thats fair, but theres still more to be shown. I wouldn’t judge it entirely until its all out in the open, which will probably happen at the upcoming TGS.
I’m not a big awakening or fates fan. But there are some characters I DID enjoy and help me go back to those games. for Awakening its Vaike, Gregor, Basilio and to a degree Sayri. If the popular schmucks didn’t make it in…what chances do they have?
For Fates im on the same boat, I dont care about Niles and Oboro. I care about Arthur and Saizo. Not gonna get them cause no NInjas and apparently Koei was so crappy with the axe selction that they opted for LISSA to be the main axe infantry.
At this point, my only salvation is ANYHTING from shadow dragon thats nota waifu. I’ll forgive Minerva, but ill tear my hairs if I see the white wings. Cain, Draug, Navarre from the Mirage Sessions exposure sound good. Yet… I want Ogma. but with ”sword cancer”… what are his chances really? He could promote to Hero and have swords AND axes. but I can guarantee you… Koei probably won’t that far ahead. Mind you if Ogma makes it in and can go Hero… I will get this game. yeah. Shadow Dragon has class. Marth’s army is pretty cool.
Do we have the translations for Eirika and Ephraim up yet?
If you’d like to get translations as soon as they’re available, your best bet is to join the Cipher Discord (https://discord.gg/VZU9pqe ). In the meantime:
Eirika
>Attack Support – If the supported unit’s attack destroys the MC, draw a card
>Attack / Defense Support – If the supported unit is ‘Ephraim’, that unit gains +20 attack(edited)
Ephraim
>Attack support – If the supported unit’s affinity is Purple, double break Orbs
>Attack / defense support – If the supported unit is ‘Eirika’, that unit gains +20 attack
The problem is that I can’t get access to Discord because there’s something wrong with my comp. Thanks for the info, though, I appreciate it!
Want the Selkie and Velouria one plus Olwen, Misha and Flora!
Er, don’t you mean September?
Free 4 star Narcian? Nice.
What with the hype of the Voting Gauntlet, I actually entirely forgot about Narcian’s rerun.
Free orbs are always welcome. And I need more orbs to try to get Brave Ike… he is the only one I need from the CYL Banner
Wish Michalis had been in this vote and won instead but Narcian is cool.
Honestly since a lot of Fire Emblem can be narrowed down to classes/weapons as opposed to characters, it makes sense that some of these characters would have generic movesets for weapons with slight variation. They’ll probably not feature in the main story, but it would be surprising to me to not get some clone-style characters unlocked through side modes, such as Tharja with Validar’s moveset and slight differences. They already confirmed that Lucina has Chrom’s moveset with variation and that she was the basis for saying that all characters will have unique idle animations. Who else would that be for? Not just Cordelia and Hinoka. Not just mCorrin or fRobin either (though I don’t know if they’ll have unique animations since they’re technically the same character).
The more I think about it, the more I think the 25 character cards are just for the story characters, but that the game will feature more than that.
Sorry game for being too poor and thus not having four 5*+10 units 🙁
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Yeah this seems really fishy. Would be way more logical to add Lyn and Ike (most popular characters) and Celica and Alm. Only adding one of both pairs feels really out of place. Maybe we’ll see tomorrow in the Nintendo Direct.
One thing Nintendo could show us in the Nintendo Direct is the 3DS Version of the game… We are near the japanese release of the Game and we do not have any news about the 3DS version.
yeah i want to limited adition in 3ds
True they have been dead silent in regards to that version. I imagine it’ll be fine though as the HW 3ds version was great, if they put in the work of course.
Even though fake big characters like Lyn is obviously DLC same for Echoes Characters like Celica and Alm will
As much as I would love Celica and Lyn, I’m not sure I believe it since we have literally every single Fates royal, with duplicate weaponry with the inclusion of the two youngest sisters, but not Azura. That seems pretty odd.
We’ll see tomorrow
Fair enough. If Lyn is in though, I wouldn’t be surprised if they made an amiibo of her too.
This is confirmed fake, so don’t worry about all of it okay?
Eeuh and can you provide the source for that confirmation?
Out of curiosity, who exactly confirmed it as fake?
Random people with no evidence
the creator of the leak
You’re thinking of the 4chan leak, however this one has some weight now https://serenesforest.net/2017/09/13/warriors-lyn-fe7-confirmed/
Now it does, yeah. That was leak I was talking about.
Can I point out that Female Robin and Male Corrin are on the box despite supposedly not being part of the main story last I heard? Why would they be on there if they weren’t available through the main story, rather than showcasing two other characters actually featuring in the storyline?
Assuming the box is legit, it is merely showcasing the playable characters. All versions of Robin and Corrin are treated as individual characters from a promotional standpoint.
I don’t believe this. The Celica sprite isn’t official, and apparently the Lyn is from Deviantart. Also, call it pure coincidence but the Celica sprite kind of looks similar to Marth’s Shadow Dragon sprite.
Source?
The Celica, at least, looks like it’s just an altered version of Awakening’s Hero sprite, though I could be wrong.
tbd it could just be modified to fit the others since its pretty different.
Well your wrong!
I thought I heard that there was gonna be like 40 characters or something?
It was said that this game is suppose to have the biggest roster out of all the warriors game, which I thought was around 30 before, but maybe they meant crossover wise?
Well I mean there is still a LOT of time left till release so maybe!
IIRC they said licensed Warriors games. biggest of all of them is a tall order; Dynasty Warriors 8 had 83 playable characters, and I’m not even sure if that’s the highest number.
This actually makes sense in my perspective.
Tiki – she’s receiving an amiibo and her return to Awakening makes her a Breakout character
Caeda – she’s Marth’s wife and plays a huge role in recruiting many of the characters in SD/MOTE
Anna – the franchise’ mascot, wouldn’t be FE without her.
Lyn – the first Lord that North America was introduced to. As such, she became more popular than both Eliwood and Hector.
Celica – FE Echoes is relevant atm, I guess they chose her over Alm because he would just be another Falchion wielder.
I’ll totally pay for this.
An issue with this being real is.. how will they add to the story about Celica and Lyn joining alone? Not that the story will make too much sense anyways, but them soloing it to this world will be strange to try squeezing in.
Interesting that it’s Sharena who needs to deliver the killing blow this time.
I might be wrong, but I think that’s the first time the necessary character is at a color disadvantage?
The Corrins are in the wrong videos. Unacceptable!
1 Narcian is enough, ta.
Is there any real reason to have multiple copies of the GHB heroes? I think I have four Robins by this point anyway
Either for merging or skill inheritance. Female Robin is notable for being the only character with Blue Tomebreaker, so you’ll need her if you ever plan on giving that skill to anyone.
That’s strange, Legion, Valter, and Narcian have pre-battle quotes, but Female Robin doesn’t? Anyway, it wasn’t easy, but I beat Infernal mode with my 5-Star Brave Lyn, my 5-Star Nino, my 4-Star Olivia, and my 4-Star Wrys (and he is useful for once).
Knowing how Koei does their character rooster Lyn and Celica aren’t impossible. We can hope for 4 rows ORIGINAL; FATES; AWAKENING; OTHERS (mashup of characters from other titles). Perhaps this is what they meant by “focusing on F, AWA, and SD” ? One can only hope.
I was right my girl Lyn!!!!
Guess that means no Azura..
This seems like a direct response to the Choose your Legends poll tbh.
I feel like we would have seen Axe Ike if that were the case…maybe this was another character Nintendo insisted/ demanded they add (alongside Lucina)?
Why Axe Ike? He’s just a special version they made for Heroes, like Mounted Archer Lyn, because they won the poll. If Ike’s in the game he’s gonna have Ragnell. If they would do alternate weapons, like in Hyrule Warriors, then I could totally see Ike with Urvan though.
Looks like Ike got…
*sunglasses*
Axed.
I can’t wait to see Celica! Especially if she and Lyn have a support. Outsiders need to stick together 😛
Whelp eating my words guess the leak must be real, although I still doubt that that’s all the characters we will get. Lynn without Ike or Celica without Alm is still too weird.
Called take that best girl is here can’t wait for Celica too!
Strange that nobody mentions possessed Takumi. ^^
I am so happy about the fact that Lyn is in the game – Who would have guessed that the leaks would turn out to be true?
Yeah noticed that. What is his deal with being possesed again? (without spoiling too much for ppl who haven’t played the game ofc :p)
Fates is a complete blur to me.
A dragon made his feelings of betrayal and jealousy involving Corrin absorb his soul.
And feelings of inadequacy/doubt, which, as far as I can tell, for those that really like him, tend to be main bit of it
Now they only need to confirm Tiki, Anna and Celica (I know there is the Tiki Amiibo, but she was not confirmed as playable character yet)
We do know that Stone is weapon type, so it’s all but confirmed
Oh, I had forgot about the stone icon in the weapons. But Tiki is gonna be the only stone user in the game or we will see others as DLC?
Female Corrin is a dragon user, and I’m 100% sure more dragons will come!
I’m pretty sure Corrin is considered a sword wielder. They just become a dragon in some attacks.
If you look at the trailor it shows dragon stones as a weapon choice, I’m sure she can use a sword too, as in Zelda some chars could use up too 3/6 weapon types.
Navarre was also spotted behind Marth in the Europe trailer.
Yeah, I was going to get to that as well! Thanks for the notice
This article is changing by the second AHHHHHHH.
This is a pretty funny goof on their part and awesome for us of as well.
Those silly Europeans in NoE don’t know the art of Photoshop. 😛
Do I sense a slight to my fellow europeans there Jedi? Because I will not tolerate that from anyone, not even you…
I was making a small jab at NoE, not your people at large, my mistake
Just messin with ya no worries 😛
Glad to see Lyn, but I’m now convinced we won’t see Ike except in DLC, thus continuing Japan’s tradition of hating him for some inexplicable reason.
I hate being this guy, given the amount of Fates representation and my general preference for the earlier games, but I really wanted Azura, and it doesn’t look like her odds of making the initial roster are fantastic at this point
DLC sadly which actually really sucks that she’ll end up as that…
Don’t worry, you’re not the only one who wants the Songstress. I’m trying to stay optimistic, though…
I would really be surprised if they really didn’t put Azura in the main storyline.
https://youtu.be/vngHzk39jzc
Japanese trailer features a preview of “Winds Across the Plains” Lyn’s map theme.
Thank you for the link.
Welp, and apparently Lyn’s sprite matches the one on the supposedly leaked boxart. Alright, guess it’s true. I’ll admit when I’m wrong. And with that, I didn’t expect to see Lyn make it into the base game, so hey, the game finally surprised me with a character announcement, good on it, I’ll give it that point.
Navarre is kind of an odd choice, here they say they don’t want too many sword characters, but then decide to add a relatively insignificant Shadow Dragon character…that fights with swords.
He’s probably in due to popularity. Navarre archetype characters are always popular, so having the original himself in the game makes sense.
Though I do agree the abundance of sword users is perplexing.
Especially perplexing when you think about the other sword characters that are arguably more popular and demanded such as the CYL winners, Ike and Roy, not being in the game.
Still…fingers crossed they’ll eventually add Laguz: Ranulf, Tibarn and Naesala are my favorites…Lethe would be a good pick though.
Navarre might not be playable. They did confirm that there are NPC characters that appear in the story. I wouldn’t be surprised though if they have more playable characters in the game though that just don’t have a part in the story/supports and therefore aren’t featured as “main” characters.
I think the whole swords thing was more in regards to Lord characters… Like Seliph, Sigurd, etc.
-and if you think about it… Technically speaking the majority of the cast aren’t explicitly Lords class-wise. Even though the Fates siblings could technically count as lords due to their roles.
This is the weirdest PR I think I’ve ever encountered with a game. “Screw you guys! But here’s one for you because we don’t have any idea what we’re doing!” I’m not mad or happy, just incredibly confused.
Not sure what ur point is, they added chars people wanted, and ur still not happy, seems to me the problem is u, not the game.
As I said, I’m not mad or anything, I just wonder why they seem to be going back on what they said by adding a sword lord when they already complained about too many swords. I accepted the 3 game thing a while ago, but I’m more confused about this reveal more than anything. I’ll still probably buy it and have fun since it’s a warriors game, but the people in charge of this game’s PR are doing some weird stuff at this point.
Perhaps I can offer some kind of explanation? Not that I’ll be much help but here goes. ‘
Somebody who worked for the public relations division of this game must have realized the outcry and severe criticisms of the game. Anticipating that the game wouldn’t sell well because of the often-perceived predictable reveals, the person thought and perhaps convinced the developers that adding a character from the older titles will be a boon.
While I applaud them for finally adding an old fan favorite from the first international Fire Emblem title, and as someone who loves Lyn, I begrudgingly have to admit that her reveal THIS LATE and about two weeks before the Japanese release of the game does more harm than good. Here’s why.
Lyn’s arrival alone breaks two promises. Those being that only characters from Shadow Dragon/Awakening/Fates and that having too many swords is something that fans would not have to worry about, according to them. Lyn is NOT from either of those games and she’s a sword user, too. Now that we know that any other character from other games is fair game, this’ll lead to an astronomical increase of demands of other popular pre-Awakening characters such as Ike, Hector, Eliwood, Roy, etc. If the intention was to get the critics of the roster to shut up, Lyn alone will not do it and definitely not since she’s yet another sword user. Quite frankly, I don’t understand why they couldn’t make her a sword/bow user like how her Blade Lord self was. Perhaps she’ll get a class change and get the bow this way, but…
There are many people convinced that the roster will just be 25 characters because of the character cards in the limited edition. With Lyn’s arrival plus the leaks and the Tiki amiibo, this brings the character total up to 22. If the roster capacity is indeed 25, I can imagine that a lot of people are feeling jaded about their favorite character arriving by now. Furthermore, Shadow Dragon was among the games they themselves said the majority of characters were from. Outside of Marth, there has been virtually no official reveals (Not including leaks). I was among those who was expecting a Shadow Dragon reveal and to see Lyn on the screen instead of a Shadow Dragon character was just both surprising (Probably the first real surprise to most people) and appalling. It’s baffling to see Shadow Dragon getting shafted this hard after it’s been virtually the Fates-show for the past few weeks.
I hope I gave a good enough explanation for you but I’ll admit that the bulk of this is only speculation. So take it for what you will.
Well, like I said earlier. I think the diff here is by technicality: most of the cast actually aren’t explicitly Lord class characters.
The box was real
Amiti? Broken.
Wrath? Broken.
This’ll be fun.
It will depend on the stat of Elincia: Amiti per se may be broken, but it will be non-inheritable (it is a named weapon) and if Elincia’s stats were bad than overall she woud not be broken at all.
I doubt Amiti will be broken. Or at least, that it will make Elincia broken. After all, she’s still a flier with a limited attack range, and almost certain to have low attack to balance (and because of the character). It’s the potential for flier buffs that concerns me a bit, but hey, she can’t be more ridiculous than Reinhardt. I can see how it looks that way though, given that it’s basically a brave weapon with more might and a smaller penalty. Wrath actually worries me more.
While low is relative so it certainly could be low enough to not be broken (and yeah over hyping happens) low atk to balance kinda implies they are also overhyping the effect, (though that could certainly happen) as for Elincia I don’t really see it, (but again low is relative, my average, above average or even great could easily be considered low) sure she had low str in PoR but 80% mag growth is pretty dang high up there (it’s atk not str so that could be worked into her atk here) and her Str isn’t low in RD.
I’m honestly kinda joking, it’s broken in a vacuum (being literally just a much better Brave Sword+), but the reality of the situation of course isn’t a vacuum. Going off Elincia’s Strength base and growth in Path of Radiance, it would be unlikely that her Attack is very high. Though either way, there is no doubt in my mind that she’s going to be very good and obviously the best Sword Flier, not even a contest, and there still is definitely potential for the Amiti – and as a result Elincia – to turn out broken, depending on what her stats are like.
Oh yeah, I agree she’s going to be really good, and my guess is that she’s going to be built for quad striking (she comes with death blow, oddly, and I can see a buffed desperation build already). My point is that I don’t think she’ll be meta-defining like Reinhardt and his ridiculous range, which is kind of what I think of when I think of broken. I realize you were mostly joking though
Umm.. Narcian? Really?
well neph is going to be high tier.
elincia? it depends on just how high her speed and attack gets.
Haha! I knew Elincia was coming! I would have preferred more adult-looking art, but I am excited to have a shot at her, definitely one of the best characters in the series.
I also expect Oscar to become 4* after his banner passes, so there’s a chance we’ll have easier access to Lancebreaker, if they make it learnable at 4* as well.
Seeing Nephenee here kind of throws a wrench in the Tempest Trial predictions. Still expect the Black Knight to be a Hero Battle, but I wonder who our free unit will be?
Didnt a leaker predict this banner alongside the tempest trials before they were revealed?
If thats true, then thier leaks for october might also be true
Yes, they also said that the Black Knight would be the Hero reward for the upcoming TT and that we’ll be seeing an Arvis GHB and Jugdral banner in October.
That would be fun, though I’m interested to see how Heroes will deal with the glut of red mage villains the series has (given that dark tomes have been red so far)
Arvis would be a dream come true, he happens to be my fav character
Two blues? Why not add in Bastion for some variety?
Good thing I hoard my Orbs definitely gonna try for Nephenee and Elincia!
Thank Ashura that the Wrath skill is a B slot…just imagine how broken it would be if it could be paired with desperation…Wait, doesn’t the Sol Katti give Lyn desperation 2? Ideas…
Give Wrath to Brave Ike, so he will have another way to reduce cooldown count.
1 turn Aether plz nerf
Oh nice, they’re bringing more Path of Radiance characters, Nephenee, Oscar, and Elincia, but the Black Knight becomes an unplayable boss of Chapter 13, along with Prince Bruno. Speaking of which, could this be the final battle against Bruno? Are we finally gonna find out if Bruno is really Zacharias? We can only hope.
I’m definitely going to try and get Nephenee and probably Elincia based on her stats. Hate the fact that Oscar is in the banner too since I’ll probably get trolled and get him while trying to earn Nephenee. >_<
Nice! Is Elinicia’s VA different? I can’t tell…
Elincia’s VA is different, the one in Heroes (Amanda Miller) shares the same voice role with Sully and Cherche from Awakening and returns in this game, her previous VA in Path of Radiance was Erica Evans.
Well I’m glad Nephenee’s A slot isn’t to great I’ve been saving a hector for when she got added to the game.
I knew I should have saved my orbs, instead of trying to get Ninian in the Tempest Trials banner lmao
Oh well, I’m gonna still try to get Elincia. She’ll be good for a Flier Emblem team for sure.
Aww, I wanted Nephenee to be the Tempest Trial reward unit.
Also, why the actual fuck is Oscar here.
So my karma finally kicked in a little got Nephenee and Elincia in my first summoning round. Took me another 120ish orbs to get Oscar (another Nephenee would have been fine though) but hey I got him. So unless I really hate Nephenee’s boon/bane and feel like I need to go for another, I didn’t have to spend a dime. Also holy crap the Black Knight’s Black Luna special, that 80% reduction, I would be relatively shocked if they made that available to everyone through SI. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if localization changed the name from Black Luna I wonder why they didn’t just call it Eclipse. Also its probably going to have to get regular Luna before it like you have to get Sol before Aether.
It specifies in the text that Black Luna can’t be inherited. Don’t know why they didn’t call it eclipse though
I suppose it has something to do with how Eclipse in Japanese was still just called Luna. It had the exact same name as the standard version, it was just more powerful. So I guess for the localization in Heroes, they went with that, but they added ‘Black’ to differentiate it from the regular counterpart, kinda like the ‘Dark Excalibur’ and ‘Dark Aura’ that Sonya and Delthea have. That’d be my guess. Still a missed opportunity, though…
So Elincia has better attack than I would’ve thought. So she’s really good. Nephenee’s stat spread is also pretty daunting.
Double Oscar, first pull 🙁
I spent 98 orbs trying to get Nephenee or Oscar but all I got were Effies and Donnels.
On the bright side, I ended up getting 5 star Faye and Genny for my trouble.
As everyone theorized, I got an Oscar before any Nephenee
Now I am 99% sure: Black Knight will be the reward for the Tempest Trial. We already have Black Knight stats, and there are only his base stats, without boon or bane. This could mean he as a GHB, but we only have his 4 and 5 stats stats, and normally GHB units have theirs 3 stats stats too. So… yes, he will probably be the reward of this new Tempest Trial, and as a reward unit… he is pretty good! Good HP, Atk, Spd and Def, and only low on his Res. Alondite with counterattack, and Black Luna as a exclusive special. With his Def + Steady Stance, Bonfire and Ignis could be also pretty good choises for his Special, although Black Luna have cooldown of 3 and this is great, but it costs the same as Aether (500 SP).
I did find it funny LuckyCrit the Youtuber kept trying to tell every one it was not real that it would be in the Tempest Trials.
I believe a datamine has confirmed it, though I’m not surprised people were skeptical. He’s an odd prize. Also, he is really good, especially for a free unit, although it’s kind of a travesty they didn’t name his skill “eclipse”.
45 stones got me neph
They sure do love putting the Corrins in the wrong places.
Haha… Got Rebecca and Ogma in 120 orbs. Not ideal but it’s not like I want any of the focus heroes that badly, was mainly going for the skills.
First Summon got me Neph, and the second got me a 5 star Ryoma, so all in all, it went pretty well
While I like Oscar a lot (he’s a mainstay in my PoR playthroughs, and I’ve taken to the endgame in RD a few times), it seems a bit odd he’s paired with these two, especially with neither Boyd nor Kieran. That said, I got Neph in my first set of summoning, which is nice. Would like to get the other two, but I have to build up my orbs a bit more before doing so.
I usually use Oscar a lot too especially in PoR. RD messed with the paladins to much I liked PoR flexibility. As for why he was included I’ve been kinda wondering that as well especially since its only a 3 person banner. They probably could have easily thrown in another Crimean like Kieran, Shinon, or Rhys if they didn’t want to do another sword or lance user.
Edit: I say easily but I know more goes into putting in a character into the game than just saying “lets put in this guy”
I wish they would have included Brom instead of Oscar. It would make more sense since they are crimean citizens. (So is Oscar, but it would have been cooler to see him in a brothers banner with Boyd and Rolf.) Maybe they did 2 lance units to help in the tempest trial against the Black Knight? Who knows at this point.
Well, there you have it, Prince Bruno is, in fact, Zacharias. Mystery solved.
And yet, I couldn’t get Elincia, Oscar, or Nephenee. And to add insult to injury, I ended up getting a 3-Star Male Robin as my free summon! Not to mention getting a 4-Star Reindhart, twice in a row, which I already have a 5-Star Reindhart! This game just doesn’t know when to stop trolling me with weaker Heroes!
The Corrins and Nanna look amazing!
lol… I… uhh… pulled Nephenee on my free pull. >.> Guess my orbs are spared…
Got a 4 star Hawkeye………………………….. Not even funny!
No you did not. They take 4 and/or 3 star versions out when that unit becomes a focus character. You didn’t summon a four star hawkeye
Are you sure? He is still in the details list for available four star units in that particular banner.
They don’t do this, I’ve absolutely summoned a 4 star version of a focus character before.
Then its bugged because I got a F’ing 4 Star Hawkeye…Call me a lier all u want I got it.
I just looked it up I was sure they took the lesser rarities out. I figured that makes sense because getting the 4 star version is just trolly. My mistake I’ve summoned hundreds of time and never summoned a not 5 star of the featured units. My bad
I once summoned a 4 star version of a focus character. Hmm… 4* Roy on a Roy / Lilina / Cecilia banner.
Serious…is something wrong with the summoning rate or is my luck just that bad. Out of my last 10 summons, 9 have been 3 stars.
No, I’m not spending any Orbs for this worthless banner.
I rely want that camilla figure!
I think you can order it online, though I’m not sure if it’s something else I’m thinking of. Look it up and check?
The Camilla statue releases this month in Japan. Unfortunately, pre-orders have been sold out for a while now. Your best bet is to wait until places finish shipping their pre-orders and then see if they list any remaining stock on their site. Places to check would be AmiAmi, CDJapan, and similar. You can always eBay it after release, too, though those will probably be marked up.
I anime store I go too has a pre order open for me so I will go there for it, but ty anyways 🙂
Ophelia yes finally!!!! gonna get both!
Interested in the overlcass and Stefan cards.
Nice to see that the Black Knight is a Hero Reward, but who will be the Final Map Boss in this new Tempest Trial?
Now back to the matter at hand… GOD-F***ING-DAMMIT!! Not only did I get a weak 3-Star Hero from my free summon, but I spent 16 Orbs to get more weak 3-Star Heroes! I HATE IT WHEN THIS GAME KEEPS TROLLING ME WITH THOSE WEAKLINGS! I may have gotten Brave Ike, but I WANT ORIGINAL IKE!! THIS GAME IS BULLCRAPPING ME!!
“moment of fate” was the name of the chapter in which you fought the black knight. so the boss is black knight.
the same way as “to die on the battlefield” being hector’s ultimate fate due to wielding armads is what made him the boss of the mini-tempest trial
at least it isn’t a goddamn 15000 point reward
lol, got a neutral soren as my free summon. 😡 same thing happened previously with odin in the blade-banner, I’m lucky in the most annoying ways. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6fa41c7e8a811c5b40e5fb4d871a575293358ae5fc521f09f11372710cf5c63.png
I got a 3* Raigh and 3* Stahl for my free pulls in both the Crimean and Tempest banners…neither of which are even good skill fodder, on top of which I’ve made 15 summons so far and only got 2 4*s (no 5*s), a +ATK -DEF Seliph, and another f***ing stahl. And speaking of Sorens, during the CYL banner, he was a major cock block for me wanting to get Ike, 5 4* Sorens…my luck is god awful.
Holy shit, maybe I should be happy with what I get. Then again, I’m the person who managed to get my percentage up to 5.25 before I got Eine.. And I’ve blown 160 orbs in the Crimean banner only to get 5* +def/-spd Ogma and +spd/-hp Rebecca.
I got a 5* Caeda for my second trying of Elincia… :’)
Man, I really want a sword flier that’s not my 5* -spd+hp Palla. 28 speed is pathetic. Granted I’ve merged her three times already so she’s pretty tanky, but still.
Oof that stinks. Well hopefully you will get a better one.
I want a Soren so badly. Just to have. A 4* is fine. He’s the last character available that I want and don’t have, at least who is a 4*
I literally just rolled my second Ike in 8 orbs. My luck hasn’t been great lately, so this was a welcome surprise!
That’s always the best feeling, haha
got a 4 star Titania for my free summon almost thought I got a free 5 star -sigh- didn’t go any deeper though already have everyone from the banner and I blew all my orbs getting a second Nephenee because my first was a +res/-atk. On that note I didn’t expect it but apparently the brave heroes can still be pulled got a Brave Lucina while trying to get Nephenee. I thought they were going to be like the other special costumes and not be available after their banner.
Oh, a serenes article! How nice. Was this mentioned anywhere on this site until now?
I was glad I got to participate in this tho.
So where did this get announced? I only learned about its existence once people started to post pictures on Twitter and that was apparently too late.
Twitter, the Fire Emblem subreddit, and Tumblr! There may still be a chance to join in as there’s likely to be another repool of characters 🙂
On another note, I’m kind of disappointed with IS for their bonus unit choices in the 40% range. For the first time since the trials began, every single 40% is 5 star locked (until later this month, when Oscar will likely slip down). This will make it a lot harder for new players to score as well. It essentially requires players to pull from this banner or Dauntless Crimeans just to increase their score. I understand that it may be a good adverting move for the banner, and Ike was in Hero Fest, but I know this will hurt more people than it will help overall.
Personally, I feel IS has been more than generous these pervious months. They gave us orbs everyday and a free 5 star hero, so a 5* locked 40% isn’t that big of a deal to me. (Maybe because I got Elincia on my 2nd red orb praise naga)
That’s fair. As long as people stay smart with their orbs I suppose they always have a shot at having the bonus units. And at least BK is free, they just have to play for a little while.
The idea is great. Some of the art less so. But hey, it is what it is. It’s cool that the project doesn’t discriminate against skill levels anyway.
I mean, you can’t discriminate when there’s no way you need 700+ pieces of artwork. There is something to be said about quality standards, however. I flipped through the entire Genealogy art collection and came across maybe 3 I liked, and none of them felt like a fire emblem style. Here’s the thing about quality standards: they don’t tell someone “You’re not skilled enough” when done right. They say “This work isn’t good enough. Here’s how you can fix that. Try again.” Through this process, the artists become better because they have to. Not because they can just throw up whatever the heck they want. I’m speaking from experience here. I’m one of the submission editors for the sheet music over at ninsheet music, and by telling someone exactly how they can improve, I’ve seen it happen time and time again.
Wow. That was quite a ramble. In short, I’d really like them to put at least some quality standard in there, so we don’t end up with the quality that is there now.
edit: lol the guidelines basically say criticizing someone’s work will get you banned. That ain’t how real life works
Hi there,
To clarify, the guidelines don’t mean that art can’t be criticised. On the Discord, we have had plenty of artists come and ask for critique and the members have been extremely helpful! What we’re trying to avoid is people specifically targetting and bullying artists (i.e. not being constructive at all, and just being hateful/hurtful). Constructive criticism is extremely valuable and I totally agree! If you think of a better way to word that I’m always open to, well, criticism!
I rather enjoy the range of artwork and styles we have, and I think considering how open we are to anybody taking part, the quality standard is pretty high! I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy much of the work, but I hope you understand the spirit of the project, and we’ve had so many artists who’ve come to us expressing how much they’ve enjoyed it and how much they got out of it, people trying new mediums, and overall it’s been an incredibly positive project.
Yayster
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I get what you’re doing and appreciate it for what it is. I’d just like to point out that I think you misused the term quality standard. A quality standard is a minimum quality needed for entry, and you don’t really have that. Instead, you’re referring to a level of quality. I will admit, it is quite high for a completely open project. I’m just not sure it qualifies as high to me.
edit: forgot that you had a discord. It’s great that you can use that for feedback and such. However, that disclaimer in the guidelines feels more like an anti-criticism barrier than a harassment protection. It’s probably just my way of reading into things a little too hard, though.
Thanks! I appreciate open discussion about it, so no worries!
Our standard for entry in the guidelines is essentially that people put effort into their submissions – that can mean different things for different artists. A lot of the time when people have submitted things we’ve gone back to them with some thoughts and have even had some re-submissions which has been great! (we do allow people to re-submit once they’ve worked on their piece, if they feel they want to).
It’s important to listen to feedback, so I’ve amended the guideline regarding rudeness/harassment to hopefully make it a little clearer around that point. 🙂 Thank you again!
I’m not sure if your comment is somewhat mean spirited or encouraging lol.
A little bit of both. 😉
Huh, didn’t even know this was a thing. Though I guess that’s because I’ve been mostly away from the FE community.
Hey, they don’t have Al, Tiena, Gant, and anyone else from the manga who isn’t in the base game…I think it’s just Kilmar, now that I think about it, actually. Anyways, does anyone know if they’re going to add them?
Ok, my luck is just all over the place. 13 of my last 15 summons were 3* heroes who aren’t even good skill fodder, then I get a Brave Lucina as my free summon on the Hawkeye & Ninian Banner……..wat!
I don’t really understand why it’s Ninian and Hawkeye, rather than Ninian and Eliwood. I don’t think Ninian and Hawkeye knew each other, or that Ninian had ever been to Arcadia.
Right?!
A very odd team, indeed.
I mean in a way it makes sense to me. Ninian and Hawkeye are able to Support each other, and their support convos talk about how Hawkeye is a guardian of Nabata village where dragons and humans live together in peace. So not a romantic bond, but very much a sort of kinship bond.
Agreed so random
I got a 5-Star Hawkeye as my free summon, way after getting the 4-Star Hawkeye long ago. Yippie. -_-
Love those delicious re-rused animations of Marth on Celica.
Well, base roster sucks. Anyone hype for any realistic DLC?
Yes plz.
More stone-users!
If its Ninian bringing Eliwood and Hector. Then thats some REAL game-changing DLC. Inmediate purchase.
I want Ninian so bad!
Never been so hyped for DLC in my life
My girl Celica look AMAZING!
Apparently replaying these maps will not cut down SP gain from each kill.
Have fun SP grinding, guys!
Yes. Camilla’s map is on of the best maps to train archers, you only need 2 healer with Physic. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/42b74908d4f5bb4d87422c5e47a61140ed06bb4eda05f7f1e75e6a67dd2f9c6e.png
Why Physic?
With this method, the healers are gonna be a shield for the archer, so both healer are gonna be attacked a lot. With Physic, they can heal each other. Of course, Renewal can be used too.
I see, thanks for the explanation, didn’t think of that.
I already used all the orbs to get some random 4 stars units… yeah!
Hell yeah!
I’m not convinced this is the full roster, I’m really not. Just the ones they’re using to promote the game before release. I guess we’ll see.
Well, there are some dead spaces in the top row of that group photo posted above. Easily room for five more characters there…and maybe one down front between Marth and Xander.
I wouldn’t put much stock into where characters could fit on promotional material though since they probably wouldn’t promote characters they want to be secret. Celica was also revealed and not on that picture. Is it official?
The picture was used during the TGS coverage, before they unveiled Celica.
Seems I was overly optimistic about the room for additional characters in the promo image, but see that they did manage to squeeze in Celica, Caeda and Tiki in the latest version.
There are the villains too. They will probably be playable characters too.
As far as characters I’d like from each game outside of Awakening, Fates, and Shadow Dragon. FE4/FE5: Eldigan, Levin, Julia, Nanna, Reindhart/Olwen, Galzus, Ishtar, Altenna. FE6: Fa, Lilina, Marcus/Percival, Sue, Zephiel. FE7: Jaffar, Nino, Hector (obvs), Ninian. FE8: Ephraim, Amelia, Tethys, Lyon. FE9/10: Ranulf, Tibarn, Micaiah, Jill/Haar, Nephenee. I know that no where close to this many will be DLC, and that even some would have a chance, but it’s wishful thinking.
That Camilla map easily had 20+ enemy reinforcements…it was mindless fun.
Yes… some enemy reinforcements…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c4cb1af831b54a3a1ef473ccab2ec59c9077d33b776ef53736798dc8cacaab5.png
You too? Its fits though lol
Those maps were so easy, even on Lunatic mode, except Part 4, I had to use my Light’s Blessing.
Yeah lol
I had to resurrect my heroes once on Lunatic Part 5. And yeah, these maps were one of the easiest I’ve ever seen for months. Now I can use them for SP farming, but it looks like upcoming Tempest Trials will be more important. Thankfully, “Warriors” will be available for over a month. 🙂
The music on these maps are amazing! This is why I got the special edition of Warriors (soundtrack CDs)!
I wonder if these maps are loosely based off some of the levels in the actual game. I saw a short clip of gameplay of what looks like the first map of the game, with Frederick apparently being the level boss. (Why, Frederick?! XD) Having another level with “Marth” as a boss looks reasonable, especially given some of the cutscenes in the trailers showing “him” and Chrom battling.
I’m totally guessing at this point, but perhaps afterwards the Aytolis forces and the Shepherds end up battling the Hoshidans until they come to an understanding, only to be dragged into their war against Nohr until Corrin shows up.
Then again I could be completely off, but it’s not unreasonable.
Reminded me why Fates has my favorite OST in the Series!
Hope we get another archer but Takushit.
I happen to like Takumi, but I’m in agreement; when they tell us there will be archers in the game, we sort of expect that to be plural…
The most likely candidates would seem to be Gordin or Virion… And I’m sick of the 3DS games bias so I hope it will be the former. Although there are other archers I’d prefer to have over him as well.
If we’re getting an Archanean archer, I’d say Jeorge has a higher chance than Gordin.
But we do have another archer in the game. Her name is Sakura…
Ah right, It’s hard for me to remember all of our healing sisters have picked up weapons. At least that’s two whole archers?
Anna is looking to possibly be an archer if the Box with sprites is to be believed.
Heh. Reminds me of a similar project that a group I used to be a moderator of on DeviantArt. A massive group pic of all the FE characters. It actually made some decent headway, but things predictably tapered off- given the sheer scale. I collaborated with a friend for a duo (I drew L’Arachel). https://aegis-of-justice.deviantart.com/art/Two-to-Tango-269938669
While I liked FatesWakening, they sorely need to branch further out into the previous games. Only three of the current roster are from prior games. They are kinda shunning their older fans here.
I mean, hell- I’ll even take Meg over another FatesWakening character.
Speaking of Warriors… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiXe9sdQYkk
Thus completes the box! Man I can’t wait 6 more days! 🙂
Hope you’ll tune in when I play the game via stream on the 28th!
Aw… Tiki is one of my favorite characters in the series, this fighting style for her is kinda disappointing 🙁
Still, at least she’s in it at all, they could have just left transforming characters out entirely!
She’s unarmoured and unarmed in her untransformed state save for her Dragonstone, so flailing around is pretty appropriate. She doesn’t even have any experience wielding weapons.
Oh I totally understand – really I think what i find surprising is that she doesn’t just fight transformed the whole time like in actual FE games
I thought the same until I saw her transformed state. Then I felt a little better about how goofy she is otherwise lol.
Still think it is an awkward moveset but as long as the transformed mode is kickass I will keep my complaints to a minimum.
Just think about it this way: It’s like how untransformed Laguz can kick and punch in retaliation.
Totally weird roster.. but after playing Hyrule Warriors it’s not surprising at all.
Not really. Are there some “weird” choices, in my opinion yes, but again not really. Given how somewhat vague your comment is, I’ll breakdown every character in a very broad way.
Tiki is well known, even by newer players, and pretty plot relevant in her games.
Caeda is Marth’s wife and “og” pegasus knight.
Awakening and Fates characters are self explanatory (interpret that as you will).
Lyn is FE 7 players’ “Lucina equivalent”.
Celica is probably due to recency (despite the fact she originates from Gaiden, of course Echoes being a remake of said game) and diversity (despite the fact she mainly uses a sword, sadly).
Marth is Marth.
And OC’s were pretty much expected.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m honestly happy with the game, it’s just that the roster is pretty imbalanced. There’s 6 weapon types: sword, axe, lance, tome, bow and stone.
We were told with such a huge series that the easiest way to diversify the roster would be to take it directly from the latest three main games, yet we got:
11 sword users
3 lance users
3 axe users
4 tome users
2 bow users
1 stone user
All 3 lance users are the same class. We have characters using their promoted class weapons in their pre-promoted class when we could’ve just had characters that use those actual weapons (though I understand this is for plot relevance). Honestly I got a lot of my very favorite characters (Chrom, Lucina, Lyn, Cellica, Elise, fCorrin), so again I’m not really all that unhappy with the roster.
There are probably better ways to diversify the roster even given the relatively unexpected characters (Lyn and Cellica). We didn’t need to have every single Fates royal character, especially when the final two are given the same weapon/class as an older sibling. Cordelia is popular, but redundant given they already were going to include 2 other characters of the same class, and there’s plenty of very popular Awakening characters to choose from. How interesting would the support conversations have been with Young and Adult Tiki, for example? Lyn was added clearly because she was a fan favorite, but there’s also many super popular characters in the fanbase that could’ve served that purpose yet been more diverse to the roster since she uses a sword.
Idk, who knows, maybe there’s more secret characters that make it more balanced (probably).
I misunderstood your comment, my bad. I’m in the same boat, as are a lot of other people, where we’re all angered by the hypocrisy at the “too much swords” statement. Celica is a let down because, from what I read, she’s mostly a Marth clone, as opposed to being a magic unit, like she should be. And of course the fact most of the non-sword units are redundant in some way.
What a salt mine of a game.
No worries! A crossover game pulling in characters from games so character-driven is going to be difficult to please all the fans. They could’ve done a lot better than what we have so far though. Here’s hoping there’s more to be seen besides the DLC.
God, that Black Knight is tough as hell, even for Brave Lyn! If only I had Ike and the other 40% Bonus Heroes, then I would’ve beaten Black Knight easily! IT’S NOT FAIR!
I got a +ATK Reindhart that I fortifiy Atk up with Olivia…he OTK the Black Knight for me while Soren (my only bonus hero at the moment) covers for his weak spots.
i haven’t tried Clive, since I have Oscar, but he might not fair badly. He’s pretty tanky. Give him Bonfire and see if that works. I have swordbreaker on mine, too, so he’s pretty good against swordies. Same for Camus – can’t imagine he wouldn’t do the trick.
Incidentally, give one of those a heavy lance, and that will be even better.
Alternatively, give any blue mage you have swordbreaker and that could work as well.
If you have Reinhardt, pair him up with a Xander with hone cavalry and a dancer and the whole tempest is yours to laugh at.
Just give Oscar or Nephenee Swordbreaker and they’ll mop the floor with BK. He’s tied with Celica as the easiest TT boss.
Should’ve stuck with the new games.
Sucks to see them lay their dirty hands on these classic characters.
Free OP unit yes please!
I’m so excited that I have to stop myself from training up the 4* since it will be a few days before I get the 5*
I train up the 4 star then promote him and merge with the 5 star that way I get a +1 unit that has a lot of SP for SI while still getting a free Alondite and Luna unlock
Pretty much what I did!
Look…even more Fates characters!
yeah, tiki and caeda are some of my favorite fates characters. Camus is my favorite from fates tho
Wait, how does Young Link play in Hyrule Warriors? I didn’t get far enough to unlock him. I’m assuming he turns into Fierce Deity Link when “transformed”? How does that work, anyways?
In Hyrule Warriors, Y.Link could use his C1 to covert special meter into magic meter, with 3 full special stocks filling the whole thing. Activating Focus Spirit turns him into Fierce Deity Link, draining the magic meter. While FD you can still C1 to fill your magic meter, and Link’s attacks gain huge range, power, instant guard breaks, and additional properties. He was straight busted on the WiiU version, but less so on 3DS due to lower enemy count (harder to maintain endless Focus Spirit).
I beat every quest, but Game, don’t you EVER force me to play the Henry Quest again, HE’S WEAK AS HELL!
It wasn’t that bad for me, just re-generate the training tower until you find a good number of greens and use the other required characters like Sharena to cover weakness. I also have a +Def/-Spd Henry who’s 4* and Lv40 already, since I’ve slowly gone through and accumulate many low tier, obsolete, and specialized Heroes with optimal IVs and have gotten them to 4* Lv40 for this very reason as well as for GHBs.
Pretty late this time for Serenes Forest standards. 😛
Koei Tecmo has uploaded everything TGS related to their Youtube channel.
There was also a clear hint that Azura will be a part of the first DLC pack.
Makes me wonder why it isn’t mentioned here. ^^
Yish, that’s disappointing.
My Awakening waifu in the bride class SOLD!!!
I think it’s just an outfit.
Obviously just stating what it is
If I had to guess a few possible characters for each pack:
Fates: Azura (very obvious), no clue on the others
Awakening: Tharja, Gaius(since Cordelia is in plus need a theif and more magic users) Nowi or Awakening Tiki (since I doubt SD Tiki is gonna be the only dragonstone user) and Cherche (need more wyvern units and she’s more well known)
Shadow Dragon: Merric or Linde (prefer Linde), Minerva (again well known plus more wyvern units), Camus(iconic and a lance mount we need one) and either Draug or Ogma.
I might be wrong about this, but I read a leak somewhere, unconfirmed at this point of course, that some of the DLC characters will be Azura, Tharja and Draug for the Fates, Awakening and SD packs, respectively. But assuming that’s true, we are probably getting more than one character per pack.
I’m thinking Kaze, Silas, Jakob or Felicia is plausible for the Fates pack. The only thing I’m less sure about is that IIRC I read somewhere that they aren’t planning any dagger characters for the game, and if that’s true Kaze, Jakob and Felicia are out.
For Awakening, I can see Gaius, like you mentioned, but again, the fact that he’s basically a dagger user makes me a bit doubtful. Aside from him, I can also see Nowi, or some combination of the Awakening trio (though if so, definitely not all three.)
For Shadow Dragon, I’d say Navarre (soft-confirmed by this point?), Merric, Minerva and Camus is most likely. But then again, if one of them is really Draug, I really don’t know. It would really suck if it turned out to be one or all of the Whitewings; nothing against them, it’s just that we already have way too many pegasus lance fliers in this game, IMO.
also owain has been shown apparently
Oboro and Niles too (and Iago for the villains side). Don’t know if they’re DLC characters or simply hidden unlockable characters; if its the former, they’ll probably be in their respective DLC packs. Regardless, they are in the base game, at the very least as NPC.
What…? Making dlc for the games that are already super represented…? No Ike, Alm, or Roy on the horizon? Ugh.
What if the Awakening-themed pack came with Roy in his Awakening DLC appearance?
Together we Ride… Unless you joined up after the waifu-loving kids took over.
Bravo Koei Tecmo, a large number of fans were giving you the benefit of the doubt with character rep in the hopes that the other games would get in through DLC…evidently that is not the case for the initial wave…bra-vo…
There go my hopes for Hector.
Of note though is that the official website says “each pack will contain: new playable characters…” which might imply more than one per pack.
Well You can still put your hopes in a possible second wave of dlc (I do at least).
Is there any precedent for there to be multiple DLC packs for a Warriors game? Hyrule Warriors did but only because Legends exists.
No idea but If the last one is coming as soon as spring 2018 it doesn’t seem impossible. Also if they add dlc that focusses on the older games later you can bet your butt it would still sell well. It maybe a bit of a stretch but the concept of this game has been something I’ve always wanted so I’m holding on to every bit of hope there is.
I’ll just repeat what in wrote in a Youtube comment:
This just seems so redundant. I mean, it’s not entirely true that I don’t get it; given the games these DLC characters are gonna be from, it seems there’d be a good likelyhood that whoever buys the game in the first place would be interested in buying the DLC. But there in also lies the problem. It’s not gonna sell a lot additional copies, relative to the potential I imagine it had to. Whoever wasn’t into this game for the character selection in the first place probably won’t care any more now than they did before, yet it could have drawn in potential buyers who are into the games that are not or barely represented in Warriors right now. After all, if you’re not into the cast, why not just play Hyrule Warriors some more, if you got that before this…?
Oh, and of course this also presents the classic ‘announce DLC before the game is even released’ problem. I mean, I get that DLC for a Warriors game is kind of the status-quo at this point, and I’m sure most people did expect it in the first place, but at least for me, it still always leaves me a bit skeptical.
I think the word that would best describe how I feel about the way this game is being handled in terms of its roster and everything surrounding it is… perplexing.
I’ve scene your comment on Youtube and meant to respond to it, but I feel like your making a bit of a logical fallacy with your thoughts here.
First addressing the easier of the two is announcing DLC before the games released. This isn’t really an issue for most people since it kinda makes sense. Once a game goes gold(the period when the game can’t be worked on any more due to physical copies needing to be made) the dev team largely is life twitting their thumbs until their assigned a new project, which in most cases is DLC. Its considered good practice to get them working on the dlc as soon as the game goes gold since it gives them work and it means that dlc can usually come out much faster then if you waited until after release. And even with that in mind, remember we do know that the release dates of the dlc are sill months after the release of the game, the first pack being brought out in December. Very little, if anything, is being cut for something coming out that late after the games release, so I don’t see why that would be an issue.
As for the issue of the dlc focusing on the three games they wanted to focus on and not others; I have to say this does make more sense whether people like it or not. The simple truth is that assuming people would go and buy a full priced game(around 60 USD) followed by a buying a dlc pack, or the season pass(confirmed to be around 20 USD) just to play a character they like, which they’ll only be able to play in free mode and not in the story, and still have to play the story with characters they didn’t care about or want to play to unlock levels to play as the character they wanted to, and assume that those people aren’t going to turn around and complain that their favorite characters are being held hostage behind a paywall and that this has all been a massive money-grab is kinda absurd to me. Frankly, as rude as this might sound, I do think this is for the better. The people who either don’t care about the roster or are only buying the game since it has the characters that they want in it are going to be satisfied enough, and those who feel that the roster of the represented games still doesn’t fully represent them have DLC to help reach that point of satisfaction. Those who feel that their only enjoyment from this game would come from having at least one certain character that isn’t in the game can be happy not wasting their money on a game that they simply won’t enjoy. And by focusing on the biggest portion of the market for the best chance of success, the chances of a second game in the series is much higher which could continue to use the games final roster+dlc as a base selling point while focusing on 3 other games for the story and using dlc to help flesh out those game(though that would likely be coming around 2019-20 at soonest). Too me at least this just seems like a solid win win for everyone. That really people would rather have everything or nothing, then given a little bit of what they wanted, but not enough to completely satisfy them.
I’ll be honest, I have never heard the term ‘going gold’ before, but what you’re saying on that end does make sense. A game isn’t released immediately as the base product’s development has concluded, and I can understand that the less time the devs are just sitting on their laurels doing nothing, the better. I honestly don’t know how much time there is between the end of development and a game’s actual release, but I suppose it would be a fair bit. And on that note, I suppose I had forgotten that announcing DLC before a game’s release isn’t the shady business I had in mind, that was a bit of an unfair assessment. It would’ve been more of an issue had it actually released on or very close to release, and I guess that somehow just kinda blurred together in my head – or maybe I have actually developed a bias against this game that I don’t like to admit, but as you say, that’s not what’s happening here, so any such reasons for skepticism are actually rather baseless…
On the note of the DLC possibly pushing the base products sales… actually, I really want to agree with that. This thought you’re presenting here hasn’t gone by me entirely. And yet, I have seen people, on multiple occasions, claim that inclusion of one or more certain characters would actually push them to purchase the base game, so while I share your sentiment on it seeming absurd, I just don’t feel like I can dismiss it as such. Of course, it could be coincidence, but for all I know, just going off of things I’ve read, there’s a lot more people who are really passionate to have a specific character in FE Warriors than I originally thought.
For the rest, I do largely agree with your reasoning, and I think I have heard that they would be open to a sequel (can’t help but feel it’s a little early to be talking openly sequel-potential, though) and yes, that could open up the option for representation for other games. That would be nice, of course. Still, I can’t help but find that such a massive tease, and it still is a bit disappointing that I can’t have this satisfaction *now* instead of so much later. But yeah, I do get it, despite my personal frustrations.
I think it makes sense as well if we consider the size of the roster, DLC included. Since they can’t choose to represent everyone, it makes sense that they would pick from what seems to be their most popular group of characters: the Awakening/Fates cast.
To your point about DLC selling the base product, I can see a fan of these two games moving to purchase the base game knowing that an even larger group of characters they want will eventually be represented. That is, I expect the targeted audience for this game would be more enthused by seeing Tharja than Hector, or Azura over Alm. I think Azura’s exclusion from the base game is powerful evidence that the developers feel the same. Reading comments here, it seems to be that there are a lot of characters we all want, but also that our preferences aren’t as consistent as the bloc that continually seems to prefer any and all Awakening/Fates characters. The DLC strategy allows the developer to increase their revenue by dividing the base of preferred characters for that bloc into two payments.
It’s not what I wanted, and I’m very on the fence about this game in general, but I can see it. Put another way, the top 10 Awakening characters are more popular than the top 10s of any other game, and probably even some combinations of games, which are usually known for their lords.
Just to add, “Going gold” is just an industry short hand for when the game reaches its completion and its sent out to have copies physically made and the such. It simply means that once it reaches that period, no more work can be done on the game. Its considered finished and the best they can do is release something like a day 1 patch to fix any bugs that they couldn’t fix in time before reaching that period. This period varies from game to game, but on average a game usually goes gold 1-2 months before its release. So pretty much you often have this odd little window of time where dev’s can’t do anything for like two months except sit around and wait to see how the game does. With DLC though they can at least work on something to be added in the game after release, and since its not part of the base game, dev’s can basically get a second paycheck for their work, which its actually pretty common for a lot of devs to work more as freelancers of sorts and simply move from company to company then being locked into one job.
Ah, I see! Helps put things into context, and I appreciate that, thank you!
on the left we have nohrian aura (from conquest chapter where she was in the opera) and on the right it looks to be shigure due to the pendant’s shape matching azura’s pendant. so basically staff azura and possibly red flier shigure
And like with the bridal banner, there will be more in the banner as only 2 were fore…’shadowed’ then as well.
just that some people would take it at face value due to new players introduced to the game way after the bridal banner. i’ll delete it if it seems too stupid to mention
Strange since this will be the first fates 2nd gen sadly not a fan of him at all but Azura hell yes!!!
I think this might be the Halloween Banner Teaser, Follow the Pole of what appears to be Azura’s Lance to the top left corner, and it appears to be a Scythe.
Shigure will definitely have a tome, looking at right below the pendant shape is book pages. It looks like Azura still has a lance though.
Well I guess this was the other projects voice work Rena Strober did that wasn’t Warriors..
I still expect there to be an exclusive Halloween banner, so I think I’m going to save for that one, unless something revealed here really wows me
In the top left corner of what appears to be Azura’s Lance seems to be a Scythe, so it probably halloween banner, Maybe she the grim reaper or some other monster with a scythe.
It would be nice if she was still a dancer and the scythe was classified as an axe cause a green dancer doesn’t exist.
if you follow her hair from top to bottom then you can see it’s her hair, not a scythe.
Possibly, however if it is the Halloween banner i wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of a scythe, being a common occurrence as a weapon used by monsters and demons. however if its her hair then it could simply be a Nohrian Banner, maybe certain Hoshidan characters dressed as nohrians for Halloween. Also more on just the speculating side, but i wonder if the other 2 chars in the banner are Male Corrin and Female Kana. going with the theme that parents taking their children out at night for Halloween.
that would make sense. but corrin… can’t i have another female one
Its just a guess, 1 male parent and child 1 female parent and child. they can honestly pull Female corrin out and i wouldn’t care if they did that.
let’s hope so
Granted this teaser ruins my wish for having a Halloween Lucina is a Pikachu onesie
Honestly, I think I want Grim Reaper Azura more
What type of weapon (and so on) do you have in mind for this idea? Thunder tomes on their own is somewhat redundant with bunny Lucina sadly. (But then I don’t see a shortage of amazing mounts to draw on)
I mean Pikachu theme Lucina would have to Be a red tome certainly, Thunderbolt would clearly be the tome, or possibly a axe lucina wielding Pikachu’s tail, you can get creative on what you can think for that but sadly that isnt happening ;-;
Thunder tomes are blue, sorry I just can’t see past that. Oh well, isn’t happening so sadness it is.
yeah i was half asleep with crippling depression,caused by no pikachu Lucina, when i wrote that
I don’t think THIS is the Halloween banner (though better for my orbs if so), but I do think there will be a Halloween banner
Hoshidans dressed up as Nohrians would still be considered Halloween by modern day standards, just like if it was Lucina in a Pikachu onesie. Yes i want that, and i want it now, 220 orbs ready if that’s a thing
Maybe it’s a Mirage Tokyo Sessions banner?
Given what Reinhardt did for Thracia 776’s popularity, some #TMS characters would be bloody fantastic (provided they’re OP enough to be meme-ed like Reinhardt).
Don’t think it’s this one though. Nobody in #TMS wears a veil or pendant and the person on the left looks way too much like Azura.
to add to that they are kinda consistent with the hair styles when it comes to characters in any banners, the only exception of not having the same or very similar hair style is the characters that are both Male and Female, like corrin
I wonder if they would do a Oktoberfest Banner in the Future, i can imagine a few chars in lederhosen. But i doubt that, that kinda banner is coming anytime soon.
This is most likely just a autumn based banner (first 2 weeks of October), and the anticipate Halloween banner will be afterwards and last until the end of October; banners typically lasted only 2 weeks so this would make sense.
Perhaps, though that would trivialize that leak we heard about a Genealogy banner this month.
Never heard about the Genealogy banner leak, though it would seem a bit odd not to have a Halloween banner and sticking popular character (especially females) into attractive costumes or straight up pulling from the Japanese exclusive DLC from Fates that features characters in Halloween-esk attire …or they might just combine autumn and Halloween into one theme for this month.
I’m just excited to see new characters and hope I don’t get screwed over like I have with many of the past banners and not get any (Sacred Stones, Crimean, Nohrian Summer).
I personally don’t think it would be a Halloween banner, it seems too early for that.
Certain special banners in the past such as the summer banners have lasted the entire month because you only got that one chance to get the banner, and will never get that chance again, at least to our knowledge, to pull from it again. So it being too early for that isn’t the best argument i’ve seen against this being the Halloween banner or not
Obviously this is Ryoma and Xander bridal blessings banner
Obviously the other 2 characters are gonna be Wrys and Hector
My thoughts exactly!
I really hope it’s both Azura and Shigure! Both are in my top 10 favorite FE characters of all time and Shigure is my Birthright husbando. I’ll be a bit sad if he’s not in his cannon outfit, but I’ll be so stoked to finally have him in Heroes!
A GHB I’ve already done Infernal for, it’s one of the easiest ones to do and the quests were not difficult. Donnel here to cheese you the victory.
Nice, now I can finally have her at 5*+3.
On another note, screw my luck with the Crimean banner. I’ve gotten 5* Ogma, Rebecca, Eirika, Klein, and Brave Roy in 220 orbs and none of the ones in the banner. Should probably just give up.
Yeah, to hell with the banner that gives us nothing but weaker characters and unnecessary characters, mostly the 3-Star characters! In fact, to hell with all the banners, even if the first summoning is free! Might as well save the Orbs, forever.
Yes! Give us something like the steam market where we can sell our orbs and units for real life cash!
That was bold. I guess you really wanted those characters. I usually only pull until my streak is broken, unless I pull a 5*early
That’s what I generally do as well, but after I got the initial Ogma and Rebecca I had a drought until I had spent about 180 orbs or so in total. Then I got the remaining 3 in the last 40 orbs. 😡
Hopefully that wasn’t the game trying to make it up to me. That feeling when you go for the 3 orb gray to increase your percentage only to pull a 5*..
Haha yeah, what gets me is when I pull, don’t get a color I want among the five that show up, and then pull a 5* off the one pull to get me out of that bunch. Still, Eirika, Klein, and Brave Roy are nothing to complain about, or they wouldn’t be for me at least
I can only imagine, lol. I wouldn’t be as annoyed as I am if it wasn’t for the fact that I already had Klein and Eirika from earlier, but at least the latter is now merged into a +3. My Klein is +atk/-def which is pretty good, so I’m considering making him +1, but at the same time I kinda wanna hold on to that brave bow. Or just give it to Kleine, but I’m happy with how I have her now (personal bow and -atk/def in the b-slot). Well, I’ll have time to think about it.
Roy on the other hand makes me wish there was some sort of trade function in the game. I have a normal 5* star Roy sitting at level 1 since like 4 months back, and he doesn’t have that amazing skills to warrant inheriting him away. I’d gladly trade either Roy away for more copies of Sheema or Kleine who are my main units, lol.
A trade function would be nice, but of course people would just make multiple accounts…Sheena and Clarisse is such an odd pairing to me, though don’t get me wrong, I respect it, and I have a lot of fun fortifying my +Res Fortress Def Ignis Sheena
I guess I’ve always played a bit unconventional, even in the main series. My go to team nowadays is Eirika, Kleine, Sheema, and Tana. With summoner support, Eirika buffs (rally def/res), enemy debuffs, and making sure the Tana support is always available with guidance, everything that doesn’t wield armorslayer falls to the might of the princess of gra! Distant counter also means no rein shenanigans and she one shots all the remaining blue mages as well. I can even let her one up things like Ryouma since with boosts she lands on 38 speed, + the slaying axe/ignis/vantage combo of course.
Your build seems fun as well, though mine is not as tanky since +spd/-res. Also I play her more or less like a dps. Now that I think about it, pairing her up with someone with armor march could have a deadly outcome..
I got 5* Luke and Leo from this banner… but at least I got Nephenee… I do know why but I have a luck to get blue focus units. From Alm’s army I got both Mathilda and Delthea, From Nohrian Summer I only got Summer Corrin, and from the CYL Banner, I got Brave Lucina in my first try in a blue orb.
At least you’re somewhat consistent I suppose? Same can’t be said about me, unless you want to see my 3* Jagen collection… I have like 12 of those. Luke is nice though, at the very least panic ploy is.
Definitely rolling for this. Could use a decent dancer. And their art is all great as well.
Notice Inigo… in Awakening, he inherited the dancing skills of his mother, but he himself could never class change into a dancer… nice callback.
Ho boy. This is a dangerous banner..
4 New dancer archetypes?…daaaamn…
Yeah, I’m a big Azura fan, but I generally don’t pull for focus heroes that have another hero in the same color, so I’m torn. I don’t hate Inigo, but I don’t have any real desire for him either
This Azura is who I want!
Well, I have a feeling that any of these characters will prove to be OP in the arena, while Azura has the clear OP dance boosts, the other 3 are ranged units which in and of itself will be a nasty thing to worry about. Olivia especially, depending on her stat spread, could prove to be a deadly character in the arena with the Poison Dagger.
Oh hey, I just noticed, it’s Mother/Son teams
Dancers are already a pain to predict with the AI being the way it is, so I’m afraid this will negatively affect balance.
Also, do we have any idea if these will be exclusive? It’s probably better if they are, but it doesn’t seem like the kind of banner that definitely is.
Olivia is pretty common, and with Ninian and Azura having been in Hero Fest banners I find they aren’t super rare either. Three is the most dancers you can have on a team and have them be able to do anything. Especially since these are likely one-time or rare units, I doubt it’ll change the game too much.
Well they aren’t common enough that every defensive team more or less runs one, and that’s what I’m afraid of. A dancer can kill an arena or an assault streak just by luck depending on how they line up, and unlike horse, dancers don’t check other dancers
Oh Heroes always doing what the main games didn’t do loooooool!
*sees Azura and Olivia* must try to pull,especially Azura!
Will say, I like how they gave Anna a Ballista attack, because not only is that a reference to how you get the Ballista Class DLC in Fates, but (more importantly) it’s also a reference to Anna’s canon lover, Jake, from Shadow Dragon, who just so happens to be a Ballistician.
What sold me personally was that Ballastician Tank Spirit Attack.
I wanna use that all day. To quote and paraphrase LL Cool J:
“Listen to the base go BOOM!”
“Explosions~ Overpowerin!”
“Over the competition, I’m towerin’!”
How could I forget about Jake… Okay it’s not longer salt in the wound. Well 3DS fans won’t get the reference sadly. Then again it is a reference.
While I like the moveset, damn does Anna get more gimmicky by the game.
Welp. They sure did save the best for last. I was on the fence on getting this game but hilariously and ironically, she’s what sold the game for me.
And she approves of your decision – just don’t look at your wallet for a while so you don’t see one of her sisters pilfering the rest of your cash in exchange for DLC.
I’ll keep that in mind. Sound advice! I should pick a god and pray for more money to magically appear in my wallet so that the scales tip between the wallet and the feather for anything can change!
I know what banner I’m going to skip… Yay for dancer creep.
Might as well join in on the dancer creep…
That’s true in a way, but I’m not a big fan of these characters anyhow. In fact all the 5* 3DS characters I’ve gotten have turned into inheritance fodder or simply into feathers. I have a +1 Ninian that I’m pleased with, and I might get Nils or Tethys eventually. Honestly, dancers would’ve been much more balanced if they had something negative to them, like an inability to counterattack or something like that. This banner is good in a way though, since I might stop seeing +10 Aquas with wings slapped onto them, which is forcing me to cripple myself by initiating combat or making sure the enemy is ORKO’d.
All things considered I probably don’t deserve to take a casualty here… But of course I will. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ef92cf8c09e34cf948200332345f6bb8322ac441843ca88d8201e2dd7463e65.png
Yeesh. I’m not sure how to balance dancers. You could remove their ability to attack at all and they’d still be able to perform 90% of their role
Indeed, although having a downside would at least make their pick have more thought put into it and make them fill more of a niche. As it is now you can slot them in anywhere and they’ll perform brilliantly pretty much. And yea that was my seventh battle in the arena so it made me a bit salty. :v
glad i was right about yura designing dancer shigure. yura does have a peculiar way of drawing hair
I need that Inigo something fierce. But honestly I want all of them, wow.
Very valuable to make Arena Assault less annoying.
I WANT THEM ALL
Anna is best girl
ahh No Tethys or other old school FE Dancers? :<
I don’t think you understand – that would be admitting the older games exist during a seasonal Banner, they can’t do that.
I am sooooo glad I saved my orbs and my iTunes gift cards because I want all of these and as many as I can possibly pull! Cannot wait, and thank you IS, take my money!!
Right after I spent probably at least 50 orbs for the Ninian and Hawkeye banner, a banner where all the focus heroes are dancers/singers is announced a few days later. I’d like to have any of them, though Olivia is probably the one I want the least.
Definitely going to try and get some more dancers to make my Arena Assault runs easier. Probably skipping Olivia, I don’t need colorless hell right now. >_<
So instead of characters we already have wouldn’t this have been a great time to finally release other dancer-like characters we haven’t seen yet? If would actually go for this if it was Nils/Tethys/maybe even a heron.
Cool, but I’d rather go in the game spoiler free since you’re going to do story mode.
Forget it, I’m not spending any Orbs to summon those characters, because I always end up summoning the weak 3-Star Heroes! I’m done! I might as well save those Orbs, forever!
Oh, and by the way, Dancer Inigo is gay looking!
Yeah! Performing art Azura as my free summoning unit! Amazing!
We both got good rewards!
Got Azura!!! now I need Olivia!
Sing with me a song of colorless and hate
Getting a Mist to destroy our percent rate
Spending our orbs as they come
For Olivia we will try
But in the end, we will all cry…
Yeah that’s 1 problem…
Please release a voice over of this
Eh, I’ve been trying for Genny for the past four Banners anyways, this is just another possible good Unit to get instead.
I have three of her sitting at level 1, waiting for someone to pass on wrathful staff to. s:
3* Nino was my free summon…in fact out of all the banners since the CYL banner, only 1 was not a 3* free summon. I’m seriously wondering if the summon rate of the game is broken because 2/3 of all my summons out of my last 50+ summons have been 3*s and only 2 5*s.
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…..my luck is insane. In 30 orbs, I have pulled a Ryoma, Jaffar, and Katarina. I’m just going for Olivia! Lol
You are going for both Olivias? Both Red and Colorless?
Digging through red to boost appearance rates and maybe get myself a Lilina on the way lol.
Got 2 Ingio before I got Azura kinda want Shigure as well since this is his first iteration in the game but pulled a Ninian instead before I ran out of orbs
This is a good banner to sit out and build up my orb supply on.
Nope, nope, not interested in summoning the Heroes. Nope.
So I used up all the orbs I had saved, nearly 70, and… I ended up getting Takumi and a 5* Sheena… yay…
I think karma is coming to bite me back after my immense good luck from the past 5 weeks. 75 Orbs later and I haven’t gotten any of the Special heroes.
That’s bad luck. But it’s not quite on my level from the previous banner… rip elincia dreams
I got a Olivia in my free summon and got a 2nd in the same session, sated 225 orbs and gotten 3 olivias, and a shigure, and no inigo or azura ;-;
After a few tries, I got an Olivia then Shigure back to back! Then won my husband a Shigure too!
I never seem to have any luck with the important banners like the Crimean or Dancer banners…but with these, always lucky. I pulled a Takumeme…of course I did.
Also, time for my raven tome Sophia to shine in the arenas…those Brave Lyn don’t stand a chance.
Convince the devs to introduce trading and I’ll swap you an Elincia or Oscar for a Takumi. Otherwise, all I can offer is my condolences.
Careful how you spend that apology orb mind.
I believe you mean @FE_Heroes_JP, not @FE_Cipher_JP…
Hah, thanks for the correction! Late, but I’ve got it fixed now.
Thanks for keeping us updated 🙂 Too bad we haven’t heard anything of a western release.
Sadly, it’s pretty unlikely to happen at this point. It’s still fun to play with and collect the Japanese ones, though!
And we can always keep hoping so long as they don’t officially debunk the idea, so…fingers perpetually crossed!
It’s fun alright, but it’s kind of a bittersweet feeling when they’re in Japanese.
“two new Cipher Mascots: Alice and Valjean! They hail from Zenith, the world of Fire Emblem Heroes.”
So… is there a chance of both appear in Heroes someday?
It’s possible, but I’d say unlikely until they have a cameo in another game as they’ve kind of been keeping Cipher away from the worldwide audience.
With the Cipher DLC for E:SoV fully available in the West, there’s still hope for Cipher to finally make its way worldwidewards.
It’s certainly possible, and I do hope it’ll happen at some point. After all, we did get the other 4 mascots in SoV! :p I don’t think they’d be playable, though, probably an NPC cameo if anything.
I could try for close counter but it’s quite apparent I won’t get it. By the time new heroes come I should have around 200 orbs or so, but with my track record not even that might be enough.
Ah, I was hoping Reinhardt might be included due to his popularity in Heroes. Oh well. The cards are looking great. I only tend to buy the starter decks since boosters are so expensive, but I might save up one day… if my addiction to Heroes will let me xD
Funny how unexciting a banner with Takumi is now. He was all the rage when the first Hero Fest came around.
Close counter isn’t really a great skill. 2-space attack units usually have terrible defenses and it isn’t worth it anyway.
great write-up. this makes me much more optimistic for the game, despite the hugely disappointing roster. thanks for the info!
I wanna play this game but all I got is the N3DS for now…don’t plan on getting a switch til the new FE…
It’s coming out on the N3DS too
Question for you about Casual vs Classic: Do you only lose characters if they die? Like if you lose from capture conditions, are your units safe as long as they survived? Can you forfeit/retreat on a map?
You can retreat on a map, and if you didn’t lose people you don’t lose them if you lose the map.
I wish you didn’t spend so much time of this hating on HW. I felt the game accomplished what it set out to do: provide a love letter to LoZ from KT…also Agitha rocks just gotta make solid use of animation canceling.
As for your review of FEW, loved it! Makes me super pumped to play, and the removal of grinding for materials in Adven- I mean History mode is a very welcome change. Thanks for the review!
I liked Hyrule Warriors, I just find some of its aspects clunky is all haha.
I like how Male Corrin is the odd one here for being the only male dragon.
I’m cheering for Nowi!
This Gauntlet was the first time I truly realized M!Corrin was the only male dragon in the game (unless one considers Ninian to be Roy’s mother).
Hope some other dude dragons like Xane, Nils, or M!Kana eventually see their way into Heroes.
Or Bantu and what’s his name from Sacred Stones.
Don’t care for (male) Kana but my daughter Kana bun though…..yes please also wonder how Zane would work with his class.
Actually we have two male half-dragons in the game, but one is spoiler
Are you referring to Soren? Because he’s all that comes to mind right now.
I don’t really consider him a dragon since he demonstrates very little powers indicative of his lineage, unlike Sophia who’s at least really old. He’s likely never going to be revealed as a dragon descendant in Heroes due to said spoilers anyways.
I’m calling the final battle between Nowi and Ninian.
Making F Robin a banner character with IVs might actually improve her utility, so why not. Also the idea of a Smash Heroes gauntlet would be lit.
Can’t participate, but rooting for Ninian.
Probably go with Nowi just for the fact she’s in my main squad but how many Falchion users are we going to be seeing in this gauntlet?
Don’t forget Julia…who is likely to be just as big of a threat since there are 2 red dragons, 1 green, and 3 blue dragons. The only thing that would be a threat to Julia would be the 2 red non-dragon characters.
And THAT nust adds more reasons for falcion users to be in… as a julia counter. I mean nowi can come out on top of a falcion matchup…
I had fun with Hyrule Warriors, I love the FE franchise, why wouldn’t I support the continued creation of FE content by getting this game? I’m stoked to play this game.
I do too, but I wish they included more characters from other than just those three games. And of all the FE games I’ve played, Shadow Dragon was actually my least favorite. Also, the first three DLC packs are from the three games ALREADY getting representation in this game.
I do too, though I actually like the characters that were selected with the exception of Sakura, and Hinoka, who I’m just indifferent towards. My picks for characters I really want to see are Ranulf and Tibarn from the Telius games; Jaffar and Nino from Blazing Sword; and I know we already have a lot of Fates characters but…ALL HALE BENNY, THE ONE TRUE GOD!!!
Ranulf and Tibarn from the Tellius games are interesting choices. Personally, I would’ve went with Soren, Volke and BK from the Tellius games. Jaffar from Blazing Sword was one character I definitely wanted to see, as well as Joshua from Sacred Stones.
Who do I swear my waifu allegiance to? The hardest decision anyone has every made.
no-wi! no-wi! no-wi!
I need to know something important.
Do Robin and Lucina have a support conversation?
No.
Hopefully this means we might get sequels with a different focus on games.
2 free draws is cool, but I don’t really care about any of these units (as far as the banners are concerned), they are all pretty common I think.
Yeah, this is the first gauntlet where I actually had versions of literally everyone in it! I got a free 5★ F!Corrin from the banner, though, so I won’t complain.
I’m a little bit confused on the supports. Conversations are only held between two units who can A+ support each other and it’s only one long conversation that they have. Does that mean that a unit like Chrom who has multiple support options can only A+ support with one unit throughout the entirety of the game? Meaning during a specific playthrough you couldn’t have Chrom have an A+ support with both Robin and Ryoma? And does this game even have multiple save files, or is it just one big one like LoZ: BotW?
You can build up as many supports as you want, it’ll just take time.
For the moment, out of principle I’m keeping away from the game until Alm gets announced as DLC.
Mercenary/Hero class has always been my favorite personal favorite since the days of blazing sword. Seeing 4 myrmidons with clone movesets and not a single shield merc just doesn’t sit well with me.
I’ve moved past the exclusions of Ike and Roy. At this point I just want a merc that isn’t Inigo/Severa so I can enjoy the game to some extent, and Alm fits the bill well enough.
Thank you for the insight nonetheless Jedi. I guess just a few sprinkles on the roster and I might get it in the future.
For a guy who is going to be getting the game, care to clarify on the clone movesets? Are they really all the same?
Navarre is a clone of Lyn. Most likely in development Navarre was made first, but for ”markeing purposes” Lyn was advertised with the moveset and Navarre was scrapped from playable on the base roster .
(Might get fixed on a future patch)
Owain it seems is a clone of Ryoma. Who himself, seems unplayable at the moment as well.
At least there’s 2 styles to pick.
Keep in mind its the gameplay moveset. Musou Supers is the only thing different from what I’ve seen.
Navarre is definitely staying that way he is but Owain who knows.
I see, thank you.
Great review. Bought it on launch day from the JP eshop and have been enjoying it immensely.
Any place where we can get translations of weapon skills and the skill badges?
I haven’t seen a thread for that quite yet. At this point you may as well wait the 10 extra days for the English release.
Hey, wait a minute! It’s understandable that Male Corrin is a dragon, even though he’s only a sword fighter in this game, but Sophia?! What’s Sophia doing there?! She’s not a dragon! …Or wait, is she?! I don’t remember!
But anyway, I don’t know who will win, Ninian or Female Corrin?!
Sophia is half-dragon, half-human, and about a century old when she joins the party in Binding Blade. 🙂
She’s half dragon
For a newbie to Musou and FE, and a fan of Berserk, how does this compare to Band of the Hawk?
I unfortunately haven’t played Band of the Hawk sorry.
Well, I’ll be sending out my Nino as usual, this time to everyone on team Ninian.
First time I have most of the characters in a gauntlet but FE 7 is still my favorite, so Ninian it is.
Free orbs; Freddy is good Fortify Def fodder; Fir can give Spd+3, which is a good budget sub; Sully has draw back; these are pretty good freebies.
agreed
Glacies is also something she is good for
Let’s not forget Swordbreaker and Luna.
Why bother keeping those weak 3-Star Heroes when I can earn Orbs with my 4-Star Frederick, Fir, and Sully?!
While the roster sucks, the game looks fun enough. At least they didn’t include the worst characters from fates and awakening. *Cough* Tharja and Peri *Cough*
Don’t count them out just yet. There’s still a chance with the DLC…
Anyone know why IS chose those three?
Something I’ve noticed with these sorts of quests are that the featured characters are usually units that hardly anyone actually use.
If I had to wager a guess, IS just wants people to try out some uncommonly used units for themselves. Fir seems to be an odd choice to pair with Sully and Freddy though, because Lon’qu and Stahl were convenient choices for a sword user.
Forget it, I’ll never complete the “Arena Assault: 6 in a row” quest, it’s impossible, even on Beginner mode.
aight but how is the n3ds version
From what I’ve seen via a pal of mine it runs fine.
Nowi will win this, hands down.
But I would vote for Adult Tiki. Following her immediate loss, I would vote for Ninian, despite not knowing who she is, because she is the only non-loli that has a character design I kind of like.
Why do I see so many thinking Nowi is going to win? Adult Tiki is pretty popular as well, and I’m pretty sure Female Corrin is more popular overall than any of these characters.
Young Tiki or Ninian will come out of Block A, but I think Female Corrin will come out of Block B.
Does deflect magic affect dragons? If it does that sucks.
Though I still think distant defence is better in most cases.
Kind of underwhelmed by the big reveal, if I’m honest
Same. I was kind of hoping it would be something new or fun instead of just more powercreep, but it is what it is.
Agreed. The only benefit is for now, the base game hasn’t creeped as much, so I’ll finally be able to finish those damn chain challenges. Of course, when the GHBs and stuff catch up, it’s not going to be a lot of fun
Made myself distant def 3. Any idea if it stacks with the A skill? Kinda crazy if it does.
Sacred Seals have all stacked with A/B/C skills in the past, so fully upgraded ones should still stack, yes.
A potential full +12.. Well then. Characters with counter built into their prf’s should benefit from it the most.
I didn’t even notice the enhancement section at first. Shame it’s going to take forever to build up the coins…
Yes. I still have 55 left after maxing DD, but even getting the ones you want the most will take some time. But they’re handing out a few free ones in quests so it might go a bit faster.
I just bought all the new seals so I’m down to not much. Definitely would’ve preferred to upgrade them. Distant Defense, Speed +3, and Attack +3 seem like the best. Maybe Hardy Bearing, Panic Ploy, or Deflect Magic next…
The sacred seal forging is going to be an annoying power creep. Imagine all the Brave Lyns or whatevers with Spd+3/Atk+3 now; or all the distant counters with Distant Def+3. At least the Sacred Coin cost is steep enough that it makes getting a maxed out SS take a while, but all that does is postpone the inevitable shift in the meta where people now abuse the SS as a 4th or stackable A/B/C slot.
If you give a unit who have Close Def 3 a Distant Def 3 seal, this unit will have +6 Def and +6 Res full time. And if this unit is a Cavalry, Flying or Armored unit, the Fortify can give him/her even more!
is there a 60fps option in handheld mode?
Lancebreaker Michalis coming to the rescue again for me. How ironic that he’d be the key to defeating his sisters.
Interesting. I did not expect young Tiki or Nowi to lose.
This is the first time all of my favourite picks had ever been defeated in the first round; I really thought Nowi was going to win since she had quite a lead over A!Tiki.
I refuse to accept that M!Corrin could defeat Y!Tiki, so I’m praying for Ninian to defeat him.
It seems both M! Corrin and Adult Tiki cheesed out a win, I remember Young Tiki and Nowi being in the lead the majority of the time, plus the end scores are ridiculously close to each other so that makes sense when you compare it to Ninian stomping out Fa the whole time.
Most likely, it was the losing score modifier that secured victory for them.
and it was REALLY CLOSE for nowi too.. like 5%… and thats with the last hour having massive modifiers against us.
honestly there should be no bidifiers in the last 3 hours or so.
Yay Ninian! Though I’m expecting the two Corrins to battle it out in the end.
It’s so adorable!
I really think they captured Sakura well here. Looking forward to adding her to my collection!
Last few BHB’s have been far too easy. Guess it’s the creep running wild. Next GHB should be interesting to see.
Finally getting this!
Ayra as a TT reward is probably a safe bet. Unless she’s a Naravee archtype than she might be GHB. Also Sigurd’s Combo if he’s getting doubled by magic, I don’t know him though is he one of the slower lords or something to warrant Crusader’s Ward? Brave Ike did with Urvan since his speed is very middle of the road.
Here’s a comparison of the speed growths of main lords:
Marth: 50% (FE1 FE3 & FE11), 65% (FE12)
Alm: 30% (FE2), 45% (FE15)
Celica: 30% (FE2), 50% (FE15)
Sigurd: 30%
Seliph: 35%
Leif: 45% (FE4), 40% (FE5)
Roy: 40%
Lyn: 60%
Eliwood: 40%
Hector: 35%
Eirika: 60%
Ephraim: 45%
Ike: 55% (FE9), 35% (FE10)
Micaiah: 35%
Chrom: 60%
(Kris, Robin, Lucina and Corrin are excluded for obvious reasons)
So yeah, Sigurd leans towards the lower end of the spectrum as far as the speed growths of lords goes. Granted, this is offset by his great bases.
DEIRRRRRRRDRE!!!
She is too beautiful. Too beautiful!
They did a really good job with Deidre’s art. Also, I’m very interested to see Sigurd’s stat spread. They’re clearly trying to make him incredibly tanky, but if he can’t survive Reinhardt and Lyn, it won’t matter
It’ll probably be absolute trash, just like the game.
Good God, edgelord much?
Have you played FE4? His low speed stat is his defining drawback and the one thing preventing him from being a great unit.
1. Your post is ambiguous (if not entirely grammatically incorrect) it was probably confused for FEH being trash not his stat spread.
2 Citation freaking needed. While I can see his use being somewhat overhyped, spd is still his 2nd highest stat (growth rates were lower then but he seems pretty decent for 1st gen) and you only need a higher AS (and a skill he has) to double. (Swords also seem the best weapon for regular doubling purposes) And if all you have is your own experience to call on I just have one question, how much FE have you played to think that would fly?
1. Thank you, I have edited it as such.
2. You are completely and utterly wrong. You were looking at his growth stats without his holy blood included. Major Baldur gives him a +40% in HP, and a +20% in strength, skill, and luck. This leaves his speed at a measly 30% while he has 110% HP, 50% str/skl, and 40% lck/def. I’m questioning on if you played the game or just looked up the stats to try to prove me wrong. I do apologize for the snarkiness, but please don’t call my FE experience into this. It’s much larger than average.
it’s funny when people pull the experience card when they’ve probably only played half of the localized games themselves lol
Or maybe I just use different definitions than you on both decent (my words) and complete trash. (your words) And how could have I just looked up the stats? Besides I was asking for a citation and providing a reason something more in depth was ideal/needed.
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You said speed was his 2nd highest, while it’s actually his 6th highest? My citation was his actual growth stats. 30% speed is low, and, as someone else pointed out in the comments, only FE2 NES characters tie that. Heck, even HECTOR has a higher str. growth, and he’s a tank. I honestly don’t belive you’ve played FE4. By chapter 5, he desperately needs Tyrfing to not get doubled, let alone double anything.
I think he was talking about his base spd and honestly 12spd at level 5 seems decent to me. It can easily reach 20 by the endgame. That’s more than enough to double most enemies in Ch.5.
It sounds like he should at least be able to survive Reinhardt.
Took them long enough.
I find any other translation of her name that I’ve seen just as odd, honestly. And regardless of which it is, I find myself wondering, how the heck does one even pronounce her name?
Maybe it’s because English is not my native language (and I’ve heard it for many years already), so I don’t have much trouble with it. I just say it how it’s written; Tilt-you. Not gonna accept her new name though. Just reminds me of Tails from sonic (even though I know it’s based on an Irish deity).
To me it’s basically the same thing. Having ‘tail’ in the name sounds odd to me, but ’tilt’ does all the same. It just doesn’t sound right to me. (English isn’t my native language either, for that matter.)
lol, I suppose. It’s probably just that I’m used to by now, so I don’t think it’s that bad. Been far too long for me to remember how I initially reacted to it, but I find it somewhat pretty at this point.
To be fair, the names of Jugdral characters are often pretty tough to translate without sounding weird, which is usually a given when said characters are named after old mythological figures that aren’t exactly prevalent in the modern consciousness – Jugdral using some corrupted variants of names like Ferry and Holyn didn’t help matters.
I think the main issue with Tailtiu’s name is its Irish origins, because many of the names sharing those same origins like Naoise or Midayle sound equally weird in English.
That’s probably the case for a majority of people, but since I’m nordic I study texts with names of related heritage to the ones found in the games fairly regularly, so the names are kind of easy to me by now. It may sound a bit odd in English though, but imo that goes for the localization of the names as well.
As that is the case, I don’t really see the point of changing ‘Tiltyu’ to ‘Tailtiu’, since they’re not going to get a more ‘English’ name by doing so. They might as well go with the retard.
I’m probably overthinking it though. It’s likely just a preference thing. I just find the non-edited names to be better in general since that’s what I’ve been knowing the characters as for some time.
It’s not technically a change, though, because “Tiltyu” was never an official translation to begin with. It’s a fan-translation, to my knowledge. Whoever at IS was responsible for officially localizing these names had nothing to do with that.
Yeah, that’s true. It’s just disappointing that they went with a worse name imo.
Tailtiu is an existing name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailtiu
I know that. I even wrote that I knew since earlier that it’s based on what you linked. Doesn’t mean I have to like it, though.
About time one of my favorite FE game Dierdre looks TOO Perfect and her husband Sigurd and Tailtiu!
If his stat spread isn’t terrible Sigurd seems pretty overpowered
Yes! And Ayra’s here too! If she’s in the next Tempest Trials, then I’m gonna be there.
Sigurd and Deirdre are the obvious OP picks in this banner, though Tailtiu still seems very powerful with clear indications of being a high Atk/Res build…and comes with the blade tome already built in, it’s like IS knows what people want in their mages…now if only they could make more raven tome candidates to deal with all those annoying Brave Lyns in the arena.
I wonder how they’re going to differentiate her from the other prominent infantry blue mages, in particular Mae who also has a stat spread focussing strongly on a combination of high Attack and Res. So… what could Tailtiu get? More Res? At the cost of… Speed, maybe? Is she the true blue counterpart to Sanaki and Julia?
Divine Tyrfing plus possibly DC could mean Sigurd has the chance to be the best Reinhardt counter, right? I don’t really know much about the world of Reinhardt countering as I don’t ever run into him and don’t need too much info, but from what I’ve heard about him Sigurd looks like they’re trying to make a natural anti-Reinhardt Red Unit.
EDIT didn’t read his B Slot Skill.
Even with his B slot, DC works well for Brave Bows and Reinhardt anyway. I personally think he should take DC if baiting range, or keep CD if tanking melee.
A problem against is that Sigurd is a red-type, so it seems unlikely he’d be able to KO Reinhardt on the counter, even if he can tank Reinhardt. And with his skillset seemingly hinting at a defensive stat spread, who knows if his Attack and Speed are really all that great?
I dunno, I think all he really needs to do is get Reinhardt to waste a turn attacking him instead of killing off one of your other people, so a defensive spread may be the best idea, and if he ends up also dealing a bit of damage back out, hey, great!
Yeah that is true. I can see Sigurd having enough Speed to double and enough Def to run bonfire well, though. We just need to see.
Well I don’t doubt that Sigurd will be fast enough to double Reinhardt, at least, because Reinhardt’s speed is hilariously bad.
The edit was because I originally said Deflect Magic, then I read his B Slot and realized wait that’s better.
I love all of this art!! I haven’t played the Holy War games, but this makes me want to. Although I won’t be pulling from this banner, I am excited for it.
And nobody mentions Ira there by the corner :<
YESSSS.
But why isn’t Ayra a focus hero? Is she just a 4 star unit?
Ayra is probably going to be a Tempest Trial Hero Reward.
Ah yes, Sigurd and Deirdre, the original protagonists of Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War, and parents of Seliph and Julia. Oh, and there’s Tailtiu, too. And as for Ayra? She’s definitely going to be a Tempest Trial Hero Reward.
…I’m not gonna get those new Heroes, since this game trolls me with weaker 3-Star Heroes.
” the focus on weapons properties tend to be more important than the triangle itself, although as the enemies get tougher the triangle is a bit more key to doing things faster.” So just like Dynasty Warriors 8 then?
What happened to Dorcas?! HE GOT FREAKING 12th PLACE!
Got Deirdre as my free summon, yay ^^
I think I’m really lucky, that’s the 7th 5-star I got for free 😀
Got my 3rd Lucina….sigh….she doesn’t even have any good skills to give to people since Aether is bound by certain lords that basically already come with it. p2p problems here XD.
Actually, Aether isn’t exclusive! You can pass that to any other unit that can use offensive specials! It’s good for Arena scoring, at least.
dammit, and i merged her already XD. *sigh* I don’t even use her. in general my +1 Alm does the job better than she does (has has a better stat spread for the most part)
If you desperately want to fodder an Aether, I would just promote a Chrom from 4 stars. I think merging a Five Star exclusive is the smarter play overall, they’re just too rare outside Hero Fest.
Managed all three + Elise and Sanaki in 220 orbs. I mean, it could’ve been worse.
I understand that that kind of luck is rather uncommon. I mean, I pulled nothing in a similar number of orbs, like not even much I could use for inheritance. Granted, I had already pulled P!Azura a while ago, so it kind of balances out, but still. What do we suppose the odds are supposed to be for a 5* pull anyway (estimated as 1 every ____ pulls)?
This is the first banner in a while that I’ve gotten a focus hero at all. Last ones were Tana and Innes that I got in the same session. But 3 base percentage is really quite low in the end, even with the double focus percentage. It’s hard to tell if I’m unlucky or lucky to get five 5*’s in so many orbs, since maths are not really my forte. I’ve done worse than this previously though.
I’ve been playing since launch and I have 59 5*’s, including ones I’ve promoted as well as TT rewards. Don’t really have anything to compare with so I don’t know if that’s a lot.
Fuck it, made some calculations anyway.
At base percentage (3%) there is a 97% chance of failing, so we just multiply it by itself 5 times granted we summon using all orbs. Then we have the chance of failing 5 times in a row and just use that to find the success. Effectively a 14% chance of getting a 5* in a base session, disregarding the focus. That’s actually not all too bad in the end, since the chance rises every session. It just feels worse probably.
Math isn’t my strength either, so I will take your word for it. I had estimated 1 in every 20 orbs, including focus percentage. I have probably about 54 5* since launch including Tempest Trials, merges, and SI fodder (I’ve broken down two Minervas for Life and Death and still have one left). Definitely not complaining about that. I’ve got a good bunch of meta relevant and favorite heroes, and while very few are optimized, only a few have harmful IVs.
I forgot to count merges and inheritance, in which case I’ve gotten about 80 in total. That seems really good in comparison to yours, but I’ve also spent a bit of cash on the game from time to time. Nothing crazy though, since it’s still a gamble to get the ones you like.
The IVs are my bane though. I didn’t think about them too much early game, but now I’ve noticed quite a few are negative (-spd Linde and Palla most notably). Both Deirdre and Tiltyu are +hp and -atk/-res respectively, so I’m hesitant in using them for that. Gonna hope to get at least one more of them with better IVs.
Haha to be fair I meant colored orbs, so 1 in every 80 or so, I guess, which seems more reasonable. The other way would, probably be too much. And I could’ve miscounted, but I doubt it’s more than 60 5*.
The randomness makes it really hard for me to justify spending, though obviously I don’t think ill of anyone who does. I might find it worth it hindsight though. Like if you said I spent $X and got <, then I might think “yeah, that’s worth it”. I’ve seen other games that offer guarantees in certain price packages. Like if they said buying certain orb packs, even only the more expensive ones, guaranteed even a random 5*, then I’d probably be much more likely to do so, but they clearly felt confident enough in their model not to go that way.
Yeah that makes more sense lol. Idk but I wish there was either a way to at least slightly manipulate the heroes you can get, that or have the option to maybe change IVs with the use of orbs. It’s unlikely for me to get another Tiltyu, so instead it would be nice if I could change her stat spread instead.
Like in the Crimean banner, I didn’t get a single focus hero even though I spent well over 200 orbs. If it could be changed up so that your first 5* from a certain banner is always a focus, then I too would probably spend a bit more on the game.
All of the art this time is sooo good.
Wow, Arden is looking fantastic here. I honestly thought he’d have looked way uglier if he ever got into the game at all, so I’m glad to be wrong on both accounts.
Too bad I got nothing from the banner since I was spooked by Gray.
Yeah, I actually find most of the art to be pretty good. Eliwood and Athena are criminal offenses though..
I’ve found a range. I love the art for Leon and Soren (and Arvis) for example, but can’t stand the artist who did Valter. I don’t love the big-eyed anime style art either (RIP Catria). Arden is beautifully shaded
Valter, Saber and Eldigan are all by the same artist, right? I actually like how he drew them, since it captures their nature pretty well. Valter in particular looks menacing. Personally I find Leon and Soren to be kinda… Glossy? Idk. The art itself is good but I don’t like how the lighting is.
The anime style is a hit or miss lol. I don’t mind it since I read manga a lot so I’m used to it. But a lot of the characters look like that anyway. Kleine is one of my favourite character and I love how she’s drawn (Nabarl and Shigure look great too). Most of the time I feel that the art blends well with the personality of the characters, but sometimes I wish it could’ve been a bit better. I don’t mind Sheema’s but it would’ve been interesting to see another artists interpretation of her.
Hmm you make a good point about the art representing their personalities. It’s definitely a matter of personal preference, and I’m not even consistent in my preferences! I hate the Saber art but don’t mind Eldigan, and like Shigure, but not Navarre. I tend to prefer art that resembles the style of the official Shadows of Valentia art, and so really appreciated the small touch-up of Minerva and this batch of Geneology art, but also like what Innes’ artist did for him.
It’s fair to say Soren and Leon are “glossy”, but I love the detail in the clothes and hair. I think you can get away with the anime style for characters like Nino, but it made me sad to see for characters like Catria and Est.
On my 6th summon, pulled a Deirdre…+HP/-SPD, RIP Spd Ploy utility for her. I could go with a raven tome build, but that feels like a waste of her unique tome. But hot damn…Arya looks like she’d be an even better version of Lyn and any other the others of the archetype. And Arden is a bigger tank than Zephiel. Also, Arvis data found in game…confirmed F2P.
Mine was +hp/-atk… I really have bad luck with this. My Sigurd is +def/-res, and my Tiltyu is +hp/-res. The latter was the one I wanted to most, so I’m really disappointed by that. But at least Sigurd is usable since his base res is pretty shitty anyway.
Yeah, I’m really looking forward to using her, so I’ve saved up 60k feathers. Glad she seems strong since she set the tone for the archetype anyway. Hopefully it’s a GHB so I can get more copies of her..
F2p Def Ploy for everyone!!!!
I’m grateful for these Holy War characters because Arvis’s Def Ploy and Arya’s Swift Sparrow are going straight to my FireSweep Bow Innes that I’m building (2 skills he desperately needs for that build to be functional)
Nope, not getting those new Heroes, this game trolled me long enough!
…makes me wish I could draw for squat. Oh well. Looks great, especially that Valentia/Magvel Postcard!
Does Crusader’s Ward stack with the Deflect seals? (same goes for Urvan, now that I think about it)
Yeah Def Ploy for him isn’t very useful, but it can make for a good inherited skill for high Res physical attackers or just as a good debuffer for your team. He’ll definitely be a good unit seeing as he has great Atk and Res and a solid enough Spd. Biggest thing though is the healing utility from his special Renewal 4 skill. Let’s go F2P!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH He’s finally here
This map do not look to be difficult. I already have a strategy for it… which maybe can be destroyed if the mages have Wolf Tomes.
The problem will be the reinforcements… We need to finish this map the faster we can!
OH YEAH DUAL AUDIO!!!!!
Now I’m only missing… Oboro being playable… And Innes, but that looks impossible so… at least Dual audio is good
Oh, this is nice. Hope Aira is up next.
That’s honestly a great way to implement dual audio, just make it an optional free download for the people that want it. Hopefully Nintendo does this more since there’s obviously people who prefer dual audio.
Tons of games recently have been following the free DLC formula for Japanese voices if they weren’t already in the game, so it’s clear Nintendo/IS is following that trend.
Really glad Warriors in particular has dual audio, given the nature of the game.
I honestly had no idea more companies were already doing it since i’m so used to dual audio already being in the game or not implemented, but it’s fantastic if Nintendo is going to start doing it as well and hopefully they do the same with the next FE game.
It’s typically done for games where the main game already takes up so much space on the card/disc, that they just make it free DLC. Though, this may also be NoA getting the licensing rights too late for it to be implemented on the card. I want to clarify that this is speculation on both parts by me and not necessarily the case in truth.
It is fantastic for those wanting the option and I hope people thank NoA for including it this time, because it does cost money to get the rights from the voice actors and the extra man hours to implement!
Thank god they’re are getting it at last more options for preference!
Can’t wait to beat this bastard!
I’m probably in the minority here, but I actually wanted Arvis to appear as his older self. What little of the art I’m seeing seems pretty good though, so I don’t really mind.
Hope Valflame is super effective against Sigurd.
So it seems FEW is going to follow the HW formula, which is to be expected. This bodes well for the other games as well if these packs are successful.
Hmm… I wonder if the dual audio also includes the N3DS version. Seriously disappointing if it isn’t.
I hope that the game does well so we can get other characters to join in.
I hope the next Grand Hero Battle is for Ayra. Fingers crossed!
PSA: This is not me rubbing it in
So this was more manageable than freaking Valters. Though I had to cheese it with 2 dancers. Line Up was (all 5 star) Blue Azura, Lilina, P. Inigo, & Innes (Summoner Support + Ally Support Max with P. Inigo). Lilina was there to take out the armored reinforcements on top and stray horse units that would come up. Azura basically to kill that first red mage and draw out the blue horse unit. Then to help Lilina kill off both Armored Reinforcements through dance (and teleport around the field with Escape Route). Innes & Inigo took care of the rest. Innes managed to snag the killing blow with desperation. In fact I think I finished this before all the reinforcements came.
So what you basically need: Dancer(s), A Magic Nuker to leave at the top (because the armored units have steady breath and their special are basically going to set off, killing your units that attack them directly), & Someone with high res and speed that can bait out the mages below. Its better to stay towards the top out of Arvis’s reach until you’re ready to strike. Make sure to kill him on your turn and don’t let him have the chance to attack out. 99% of the time he’ll full out kill whoever he attacks since his special is automatically set to go off. And the bastard has 37 base RES. So even my 36 Res Innes had to stay out of his range.
There’s more than likely other ways around this. Inb4 people show their “Brave Bow + Brave Lyn & Reinhardt” teams.
Actually, those Armours have Steady Stance, not Steady Breath (thank goodness). Difference is mainly +2 Defense, but that they won’t immediately retaliate with their Bonfire if you strike at melee range (without a Brave weapon, anyway).
infernal ezpz. (DC) Sheema, Tana, Sanaki, Linde. Just let Sheema bait the initial cavaliers and both blue mages, while letting Linde and Sanaki pivot around Tana to handle the red mages and generals without much trouble. Then dropped back slightly when the second general wave appeared. Tana and Linde made short work of Arvis himself.
Now give me Aira…
3 new playable characters… ok… Let’s think.
In Shadow Dragon we have Navarre and Gharnef as NPCs, so both can be in the dlc pack, with a new character. My hopes are to Minerva, because we only have 1 Wyvern Rider.
In Awakening we have Owain and Validar, so probably will be both + a new character, which can be Tharja or even a dragonstone user, like Nowi or Adult Tiki (I hope for Adult Tiki, because a support conversation between both Tikis would be cool)
But there is a problem, and it is in the Fates DLC Pack. There are 3 Fates NPCs in the game: Oboro, Niles and Iago. And Azura was “mentioned” in a interview, so… which character will be replaced by Azura, if Azura become part one playable character? Can Iago not become a playable character? If yes, can the others villans get the same tratament in favor of others characters? I hope so, because all villans looks to have the same moveset.
What about the possibility of a free character or a few? I believe other games in the series has given free characters before.
I hate the fact that there’s enemy reinforcements in this Grand Hero Battle, and this God forsaken game still won’t let me summon a Dancer or a Singer from the Goddamn Performing Arts Banner to beat this mother f***ing Grand Hero Battle! F*** THIS!
What’s wrong with OG Olivia?
Oh, no, I didn’t say anything wrong about original Olivia, I’m just saying that this Grand Hero Battle would’ve been a little easier if I had at least one Dancer or Singer from the Performing Arts Banner. All I ever have is Original Olivia and Ninian, but that’s not enough, because I don’t have any Performing Arts characters, not even Original Azura.
A dancer’s a dancer no matter how small
Brave Lyn, Xander, and 2 WoM Dancer beat Infernal for me. The key points were that Xander had Hone Cav for Lyn, Quick Riposte to OTK the Green Cav and Ignis+Quicken Pulse (I tried my normal Bonefire, but it wasn’t enough) to deal with a blue mage. Lyn needed to fall to the WoM threshold and attack mages and cavs in the right order so that she would trigger Draconic Aura and one shot the mages after her initial damage, she also needed to start each turn next to Xander for Honing. After the initial wave of mages and cavs. it becomes a matter of slowly picking off the armored guys Lyn from safety.
Kind of annoying that they slipped her in a Focus with existing characters… not only that, but Eldigan is a red unit already, reducing the chance of rolling her again…
And suddenly Ayra. And while being the only new unit on this banner, she shares her colour with Eldigan, making her an absolute pain to get. Wonderful.
I’m REALLY thankful I got Deirdre yesterday for a 40% bonus unit, though. Tempted as I am to try for Ayra… I feel like I should wait. A unit like her is bound to pop up on a future banner again, I think.
And I got Eldigan…+Res/-Hp…f*** this banner.
I feel like they should be making more of a concerted effort to balance the colors of units. All four Tempest Trials prizes have sword units (and there was no reason to give Tobin a sword), and then with Ayra and Arvis, and Sigurd, on top of Arden, it just feels like there’s a lot of red around.
Considering the fact that with four colors we still have way more than a quarter of the Units being Red, this isn’t too big of a surprise.
thats.. kinda bullshit how they are slipping her in with Edlian.
…Now that’s just rude. They could’ve mentioned that she’d be a focus unit. Kinda impossible for me to go for her now after blasting my orb supply at the other characters.
I just got Ayra from this banner! Yes!
Oh, sure, rub it in, why don’t you?!
if any of you have an issue with this banner like i do then go to faq -> customer support -> feedback and write about your feeling regarding this banner
That’s exactly what I did, f*** this banner. Eldigan serves only to piss everyone off who wants Ayra, like myself as I pull an Eldigan, ruining any chances that I’ll get Ayra now.
Honestly, this is just annoying; it’s not really unfair. They’ve surprised us with banners before (like CYL). They do it so people will spend for more orbs. It’s just part of a game like this. Besides, it’s our fault for assuming that Ayra would be an event hero. If we’re going to complain, I’d rather complain about game balance (lack of certain colors, terrible arena maps, seeing horses for 80% of Arena Assault runs, etc.) than about not being able to get a hero the game is very clear no one is entitled to
firstly, these are completely new units (or rather ayra along with holy war banner), CYL units already appeared in previous banners when you could’ve gotten them at that point.
the problem is that ayra was featured as a hidden unit (like the black knight) in the holy war preview and yet they decided not to include her in the holy war banner or as a F2P unit. and when everyone spent orbs trying to get brand new units, here comes a TT focus banner wit ayra in it with eldigan (this is the first time they’ve decided to feature a brand new character as a tempest banner focus), which is bound to increase draw difficulty. they could’ve included ayra in the holy war banner so at least you could’ve had a chance at getting one of two new units instead of having also a red unit who has already been featured at least twice
Actually, the original CYL units were new upon their release, and were released more or less without warning (after the Stones banner, I think). There were at least two banners designed to get people to spend orbs before CYL was released, and CYL actually included more inportant heroes in that they were both more popular and more powerful. If you mean that they were alternates of already available characters, I don’t really see the relevance of that distinction.
But that’s beside the point. Additionally, they didn’t feature her as anything in the preview. She was just there. There was no reason to assume she was an event hero except precedent. I’m not saying it isn’t annoying, or that it isn’t a clear cash grab based off of inconveniencing players. What I am saying is that they haven’t done anything unfair and that there’s really no claim to raise formal complaints in light of more far-reaching concerns
do you mean brave heroes banner? because there was also a CYL male and female top 4 banner.
the brave heros banner made up for it’s surprise by having one of the focus units free of your choosing
Yeah, I meant the Brave Heroes. I was under the impression it was referred to as the CYT banner, but it would’ve been clearer if I just said Brave. I was also under the impression that the free hero was connected to the promotion itself and not the suddenness, but it certainly COULD have been because of that.
I definitely agree this was a dick move. There’s no other way to look at it. But it is a dick move that they are well entitled to make. My point is that if we’re going to flood them with complaints, I’d rather they be substantive ones about game balance than a one-off about a particular character in a particular banner, unless of course this becomes common practice, and even then, most of the harm here is the lack of precedent. I imagine they must receive any number of ridiculous and incoherent complaints. This just doesn’t seem important enough to justify cashing in whatever little good faith they allow us
i partially agree with the second statement that you made regarding them getting all kinds of complaints, but it’s just that as a F2P player it infuriates me that i have to resort to buying orbs if i want to get ayra or haven’t gotten any of the holy war units when they could have just been put together. this banner was clearly meant to rub salt in the wounds of F2P players for not buying orbs.
So far we’ve only gotten 125 orbs this month. with TT were looking at another 42 (that is if you manage to get the orbs before the end of october, i’m talking about maxing out the score of course). plus daily logins and quests from a GHB, BHB and such. A bit over 200 would be my estimation for the end of the month. unless there’s the halloween banner, we haven’t gotten this little amount of orbs since june.
I mean, I’m also F2P. There are just banners I can’t participate in. Sacred Stones and Crimean were two recently that I missed. I got lucky with early focus pulls for P!Azura and Brave Lucina, otherwise, I wouldn’t have been able to spend to keep up. Then, I spent 200 orbs on Holy War and got nothing, hardly anything for SI even (I was, so excited to pull a 3* Cecilia because it meant I could make a raven build; that’s how I was feeling)
I’m well aware of the arguments you and others are making, and I once again agree that, for Ayra fans, this is a major bummer. But so are limited heroes. So are heroes who rarely ever have a featured focus (oh Hinoka, where are you?) So is the color imbalance that allows everyone to get wrecked by Reinhardt. There are some strange rarity decisions as well (why is Luke a 5*) and they never lower the rarity of heroes so the 5* pool is a bloated mess. The point I’m trying to make is that they probably won’t attend to all these issues (and I could go on), which seem comparable to the one people are currently riled about, and given that games like this are only required to display a passing tolerance of F2P players, I’m just not convinced this is the hill I want to die on. It seems like people are mad mostly because it happened to Ayra, but what will determine if they do this again will not be the number of complaints, but how much people shell out for her. If people abstain and they don’t make their projections from this banner, they won’t do it again.
i’m pretty pissed about the banner, but my greatest worry is that this will become a trend
Oh GREAT, the next Tempest Trial Hero Reward is…ANOTHER FREAKING GUY! Ayra, on the other hand, is in the Summoning Focus Banner! Well, you know what?! SCREW IT! I’m not gonna waste my Orbs on that banner, nor will I waste any Orbs on the Holy War Banner nor the Performing Arts Banner! I’m sick and tired of this game trolling me with weaker Heroes such as Wrys! …I’m done…summoning!
I agree that, for Ayra fans, this is a major bummer. But so are limited heroes. So are heroes who rarely ever have a featured focus (oh Hinoka, where are you?) So is the color imbalance that allows everyone to get wrecked by Reinhardt. There are some strange rarity decisions as well (why is Luke a 5*) and they never lower the rarity of heroes so the 5* pool is a bloated mess. IS probably won’t attend to all these issues (and I could go on), which seem comparable to the one people are currently riled about, and given that games like this are only required to display a passing tolerance of F2P players, I’m just not convinced this is the hill I want to die on.
It seems like people are mad mostly because it happened to Ayra, but what will determine if they do this again will not be the number of complaints, but how much people shell out for her. If people abstain and they don’t make their projections from this banner, they won’t do it again.
Not trying to start a fight, just not feeling the outrage as much as some others
That’s all totally fair; the game is far from perfect. When leaving feedback, I actually talked about the bloated pool of heroes.
As for Ayra’s situation, personally, I am somewhere between indifference and mildly annoyed. At least with limited heroes, you’re given plenty of warning. But Ayra was dropped with such little notice and with almost no rhyme or reason. So I can understand how others are angry. Moreover, I am concerned that the developers will make this a trend.
If it becomes a trend, then I absolutely think we should revolt (as a F2P player, I’d want to protect myself add much as I could), and I understand why this bothers people and acknowledge this is a bad thing. I would just prefer they fix some of the things I mentioned.
I also think a lot of the harm was the lack of certainty. It was wrong of us to assume with certainty that the past would indicate the future, but it’s not unreasonable that we did so. However, I think if we begin to expect this, it won’t be as bad. Another issue specific to this case is that Eldigan is also in the focus, but they’ve done that before (I screamed with joy pulling Katarina. It would have sucked if I pulled Luke instead). Now they’re definitely doing that on purpose here too, to drive spending, but if they refrain from that in the future, even if the overall practice continues, I think it would be more manageable
The problem with revolting as a F2P player is that you’re not really a customer, so they don’t really value feedback from you. So it’s like… if you revolted by deciding not to buy any orbs anymore… well, it’d make no difference for someone who didn’t buy orbs in the first place.
As a paying “customer,” I feel that her stats kind of negate other sword units from even being useful. Navarre, for instance, was already struggling (as many other sword units). This just seals his fate 🙁 I hope they can raise past characters stats… or something?
I think it’s because they know Ayra is pretty OP on the powercreep and her being a TT or GHB unit would lower that slightly as whales can’t merge her. Though waifusim may do with it for all I know.
I think you’re right to point that out. For me, I’m pretty sure Reinhardt still blows her up and that she’s still one of many viable targets for the one sword/red slot, so I’m not too concerned about her in the meta. Unless we’re all concerned about Arena Assault now, which we could be. I don’t know exactly what the meta looks like, but since Reinhardt/Horse is part of so many offensive and defensive teams, I’m not going to expect to see too much of her
Wow….not good….this is bad if it goes on like this I love Ayra but this is depressing….
If they just made Ayra a GHB or put her on Sigurd’s banner, it would have been fine and this outrage would not be happening.
May the salt flow through you like a river.
A bit disappointed that the characters alreafy in the game are counted as DLC characters, but it’s not unsurprising. The Fates DLC cannot come soon enough, though.
That’s it, i hope this game crash and burns and with Odyssey one week later is pretty sure it will bomb.
Stay salty h8ter….the fact you want a game to fail over a character is pathetic….
Of course is pathetic, but this is the internet, where my actions can’t affect me in real life, so why holding back?
I understand the outrage, when Arden was found to be the TT reward I was on the board of that she was the next GHB. I was mystified to see her on a banner with older people and while I went for her and got her with quite literally the last summon I could do I was fearing pulling Eldigan the entire time. As the article said if they did this with say…..Kieran from PoR and RD and paired him with Oscar and maybe Titania it probably wouldn’t be as bad because as funny and mildy awesome as Kieran is hes not a main player and insanely popular. I would argue Ayra is one of the few characters that many Western Fire Emblem fans know of even if they never played GotHW. I know I’m one her popularity just precedes her.
Happy for Owain, but RIP Ike, Sigurd, Lilina, Roy, and the rest of the characters that would’ve truly made this an all-star game. I feel like Celica and Lyn were tagged in just to prevent fans from saying “It’s all Awakening, Fates, and Shadow Dragon”, but that’s obviously all it is anyway.
Also…”Broken-Armor Models”? …Seriously?
They’e already stated the first 3 DLC packs would be based on Fates, Shadow Dragon and Awakening and that future DLC would be based on fan demand
Knowing that ain’t happening….
Agreed, considering that they said “No Ike and Roy until FE Warriors 2”.
Hopes for dlc pack 2. Besides that, slightly dissappointed about the base characters being dlc. Olivia is an oddball though, Azura was basically guaranteed, Minerva and Linde were great choices in my eyes.
Heroes likely had an influence on that. Dancers are some of the best units in the game, and Olivia is the most easily accessible of those. She likely has a very high usage rate in that game so they see her as more popular.
That said, she’s one of my favorite characters I never thought we’d get, so I’m stoked. Kinda shocked not to see adult Tiki or Nowi.. or any other stone user.
She’s popular as well
Well yes. That too!
I hear you, what a letdown!
I’m not too bothered by this. What I’m bothered by is that it happened without any forewarning. If I had known that she would be in this banner, I’d not waste all my orbs on the other FE4 characters, and the problem would’ve been completely circumvented.
While I haven’t played FE 4 I think this was a very bad move and I don’t want it to ever happen again. I have sent a complaint in because I don’t want my favorites to end up on banners like this. The only good thing I see is that Japanese fans are just as mad as the rest of the world and the twitter page for this banner has nothing but angry posts. I hope IS will learn that they can’t do this and have happy players.
This is completely typical mobile-game-with-gacha-mechanic practice, unfortunately. You can complain, if you’d like, and I definitely understand the sentiment, but I doubt they’ll do anything about it.
Thing is, up to this point, FEH has been very reasonable and player-friendly about these sorts of things relative to other gachas. It may be typical in the genre, but it’s not exactly typical fare for this game in particular. It has been running for 8 months with relatively little issue, so apparently something changed. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect the devs to listen and try to react reasonably to people voicing their opinions on these developments, especially given their track record. Nothing’s gonna change if you don’t try, that’s for certain.
A lot of mobage starts out like that, though. Typically, they do not do this right off the bat, because their playerbase wouldn’t be very large if they did. They need to establish a playerbase and then, if they need greater profit, they turn to tactics such as this to increase revenue.
The other point is that a lot of players, myself included, aren’t mobile gamers. This is my first and only mobile game; I’d never heard of a “gatcha game” before this. Frankly, it’s a pretty terrible business model for a company like Nintendo to follow, and there’s been no sign of things getting more consumer-friendly, despite them having made tens of millions in sales already.
The real problem with this whole situation is what’s mentioned at the end; FE Heroes has been VERY predictable in term of when and HOW they release new characters. This move completely broke carefully constructed precedent WITHOUT THEM TELLING US THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT. The last few months, they’ve released videos previewing all the content for the month to come, along with a visual calendar/schedule thing. Then suddenly, prior to October, nothing. No news, announcements, schedule, nothing at all. Then they tease her release the same way, as mentioned, that they teased FOUR OTHER previous units that were made freely available. Then, after everyone has spent their money/orbs on the two new banners (again, only two new-character banners per month is their previously-established precedent), they suddenly stick her in her own banner, completely without warning, and even partially block her with another old red summon (Eldigan) who isn’t even a very useful character in the game.
It was definitely, absolutely planned to screw players over and make them chose between spending a bunch of money to TRY to get her, or going without. And if you miss her, you can almost certainly kiss her goodbye forever; the pool of characters is so huge now and there are so many 5* units that they refuse to drop to more common rarities that you’re chances of pulling an individual one off-banner are almost zero. I’ve been playing since release day and have pulled thousands of characters and STILL cannot get Hinoka, for example. And now, hey, ad Ayra to that list I guess, because I’m not rich and I can’t drop any more money on this game this month. Thanks, I.S. Thanks a bunch.
They can’t reduce the rarities of paid units. That is just as bad and extremely frowned upon in most gacha games because it reduces the value of units that some players may have paid hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars for. Imagine spending a lot of money to roll a unit who, 5 months later, falls to 4 stars. It also creates a precedence that they will do it again, encouraging the player base to wait for better rates instead of rolling immediately.
Gacha games in general end up with an enormous number of special and/or high rank units as a result. I don’t like it either, but… that’s the business model. The only reason so many people can play for free is because of the few high-rollers who pay enough money to make up for them.
This. 100% this. It’s similar to the business model and eventual power creep in collectible card games, too.
They already do it, though; each banner, at least one, and sometimes more than one, unit is reduced to 4* immediately following the banner.
That’s true. Somehow, though, I don’t think it’s quite the same. As you know, FEH is unique in that you can rank-up your units. As a result, any unit can be upgraded to 5 stars. But that also means rarity is no longer tied to the star rating. Your 5 Star Gaius is still… just Gaius.
I think among rare units there are some that will remain 5 stars no matter what either because of their popularity or their unique skill set. Takumi, for example, remains a rare pull because of his Close Combat skill.
As for 5 star units being downgraded to 4 stars, I prefer to think of it as 4 star units temporarily having a 5 star version. Especially if they’re downgraded immediately after the banner.
You finally got your Hinoka banner!
It’s almost comical. Just after the Ayra debacle. Now I still have no orbs and have to choose between TRYING for Ayra and Hinoka.
Normally, I’d agree. But this is still a Nintendo funded and developed title, so I imagine they would take the feedback a lot, lot more seriously. Also, while making profits is still very desirable, I am sure they also value their other objective, which is to create buzz and good will for the mainline Fire Emblem entries. If Heroes got enough flack, they absolutely wouldn’t want that to transfer to the main games. Then again, who knows what they’re really thinking…
Personally, having seen what Square Enix does with their own IPs, I don’t agree. I wholeheartedly want to agree, but the number of similar games with similar game-changing precedents with gacha mechanics once the game is more established is just too high to discredit. Nintendo completely knew what they were doing from the very start. That’s the only reason it’s been so friendly thus far.
The dirty tactics is what concerns me They took a new character who had no setup what-so-ever, and could’ve been with the other 3 new characters, and stuck her in a banner with 2 old ones. I don’t like FE4 that much (probably in the minority on that opinion), but I still would’ve liked to have had a fair shot at getting Arya from either a F2P method or a banner with other new characters, not this nonsense. Even if nothing is done about this specific fuck up, I hope IS realizes that they did indeed…fuck up, and never do it again.
“To further add insult to injury, the two other heroes are fairly lacklustre in comparison and one of them–Eldigan–shares a colour with Ayra, further reducing the chance to summon her (1.5% instead of 3% if you select a Red stone). This means even for those who choose to summon/spend, the rates aren’t as good as they could be.”
This isn’t how summoning works, the rates barely change at all
https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/77elod/concerning_ayra_eldigan_and_effects_of_multiple/
But doesn’t it also increase the chance of getting your pity rate broken by the undesired character?
Yes but very slightly and definitely doesn’t half the rates. The link explains it in detail
I see. I didn’t actually know that. I think I vaguely read about it very early on, but there was a lot going on at the time. Anyway, thanks for that.
But Niles, Oboro, Navarre and Owain are all technically in the game already, just not playable. So is this really paid on-disk DLC? Because if so, then that’s yet more trouble on a day that already began with trouble for IS.
That’s a question I’ve had for a bit was this IS choice or KT’s? Because Nintendo in general has been really good about not having “day one” DLC like this in the past
That’s a good question, but regardless of the answer, this game is heavily associated with IS, and there’s no way they would not have known what’s going on here. Generally speaking, if it’s in the game, IS must have approved of it. Which again, gives IS yet more receptional trouble.
Having a character model in game as an NPC does not equate into being in game as a playable character. Oboro, Owain and Navarre only have simple NPC attack (literally 3-4 moves they do, in fact, Oboro uses the sandard attacks that other Generic Lance Footsoldiers use, nothing special other than her model) and only a small handfull of lines. A playable character however requires a complete moveset (7 basics with 6 strong, added crit, musou and awakening animations). A whole slew of lines need to be added as most characters have over 30 I believe, from grunts to couple sentence long lines.
To note (a very different style of game, but let’s use it as an example), lets use Kingdom Hearts. Riku has been a playable character in one of the games. Riku shows up in all of the Kingdom Hearts games, yet he is not a playable character in the game, just an NPC. If they added him in as a playable character in DLC, would you then complain that he was already in the game? He had a model, attacks and voice work, would not also make it then on disk DLC? No, it would not. Again, that example was a large stretch, but it is among the same lines.
Just because you see a character in game, does not automatically make it on disk DLC. For you to claim such things, you would need to crack into the game code and see if all the aforementioned data needed to make a character playable by the player is on the disk for it to be on disk DLC.
I am fully aware that having a model and some attacks on these characters doesn’t mean they exist on-disc in a fully playable form. I wasn’t claiming anything of the sort, hence why I was posing it as a question.
Having said that, there are some things I’m wondering about. We have little reference for Oboro (due to there being no playable infantry lances in the base game…) but for Owain, Navarre and Niles, most of their moveset already exists. Even if the AI versions only use a small number of attacks, those attacks are cleary one that already-playable characters use as part of their moveset. Owain uses Ryoma’s moveset as a base, Navarre uses Lyn’s and Niles uses that of Takumi and Sakura. As far as their moveset goes, all that needs to be added are like 3 special attacks, and then an ‘Awakening activation’ animation and a dash animation, and I think and that’s more or less it. of course, that isn’t nothing, but I can’t help but feel this is treading the line a bit.
I’ve also heard that Prf weapons for all currently existing characters were found in the data, including for characters that don’t yet have one, such as the Wing Spear for Caeda. Now, I of course don’t know this for sure yet, but what if these are part of the paid DLC? Can I speak of on-disc DLC at that point?
It’s frustrating, absolutely. Throwing in a highly-sought after unit like Ayra in a separate banner with older units, making her super powerful, reducing her pull rate by mixing her with another red unit is basic gacha strategy.
But hey, that she is highly-sought after is the exact reason they did this. She’s an SSS-tier waifu. $$$$$$$$$$
So I’m going to roll for her with my free orbs. But I don’t want to enforce this practice so… as someone who can and does pay orbs for units I really want… I’m not going to buy this time.
Let me explain how summoning works because they way you explained it is actually wrong.
The game rolls 5 times with a 3% chance to hit a focus character. if this roll hits it rolls randomly between the focus characters. in this case if you hit you have a 1 in 3 to get ayra. (+.25% on focus and 5 star for every 5 draws thats not a 5 star)
any rolls that fail will roll again on the 5 star list, if any hit the game rolls randomly to see what character you get. every character has an even chance (or as even as possible) to be drawn.
this happens again for the 4 star then the 3 star rolls.
When this is done the colour of the hero is shown. it does not mean you have less chance to draw ayra because there are 2 reds. they both have an even chance to be drawn as the focus. Some focus characters are also on the 5 star list so they are more likely to be drawn because you have 2 chances to get them.
in other words, its actually a lot better for you to draw her because she’s 1 in 3 on that banner not 1 in 4 if you hit a focus
THIS BEING SAID : they really should have placed her on the other banner or at least split it up 2 and 2 if possible (maybe with overlap)
@aveynknight:disqus might want to edit the post regarding the rate.
Thanks, I never actually knew that. I have fixed it now.
to be fair, its almost impossible to test with individual rolls but we do know that the listed rates are accurate. and in order for them to match those rates the came could not just pick 5 random stones as that would not allow focus characters to be drawn at the listed rate. it might just roll 1 time at whatever the rates are but that would have no priority leading to inaccurate rates.
Otherwise, to the best of my knowledge and those that helped test that the only way to match those rates would be to setup some priority rolls and drop tables. So take that with a grain of salt. but the rates for ayra should still be better.
(sorry didnt have my coffee yet should, have been more clear)
While this is true. I think it’s important to note that summoning Sigurd when going for Ayra would be more desirable than getting Eldigan while going for her
But you have to consider the fact that you have more chances to reset your % the more of the same color there are, if you are rolling for that specific unit, so it does affect.
I don’t mind the banner shenanigans, that’s to be expected in gacha games. People created hype on speculation and were disappointed, sucks but that’s what it is. The real issue which is being pushed off to the side is not the banner but the clear power creep of her increased stats. If her stats become the new norm all the old swords will largely be useless. Her statline should be nerfed into line with other swords and let her sword and unique special set her apart.
I completely disagree. Power creep should not be the bigger concern. She should’ve been in the first banner not thrown into a separate one
I don’t really disagree, but I don’t really see why that’s the more pressing issue. One character out of a banner compared to invalidating existing infantry swords. That said I’m biased, I hate horse emblem and refuse to dirty my hands by running them, so Sigurd and Edigan are equally wothless to me.
One problem with that argument is they’ve been busily working on invalidating Infantry Swords for a while now – Ayra is just the latest in line, I could point to things like Sigurd’s Weapon and B Skill, which are centered around being a mage tanker, or Brave Roy’s Weapon, designed to make running Skills with a high charge time more viable while also making running Skills with lower charge times even better, especially if you got lucky, pulled a Brave Ike, and sacked him to give Brave Roy Steady Breath.
Yeah, those two are cavalry, not infantry, but unless you’re dedicatedly not running any cavalry there’s no real reason to use any current Infantry Sword if you have one of the good cavalry, plus there’s probably several good Infantry Sword Units who invalidated older Infantry Swords when they came out that you could use as well if you pulled them.
Power Creep is also a rather commonly recognized part of most games that want you to keep playing and paying for an extended period of time, since there’s no reason to try to get new heroes if they don’t have anything over ones you already have – I’d probably have tried to get Sigurd for my Red Unit if I hadn’t already put so much time and effort into my Roy, actually, and I don’t really like cavalry Units either.
On the other hand, this is the first time this kind of Banner shenanigan has happened in the game, and so at least some people feel they can try and stop this kind of thing before it’s too late, whereas with Power Creep everyone knows there’s literally no way of stopping it once it gets started, you just have to shake your head and either deal with it or stop playing. I hate that that’s how it is, but it’s true.
This Banner thing really isn’t going to affect me right now as I’m holding on to my Orbs hoping for a Halloween Banner anyways, but I’ll still let them know that I’d prefer this be the only time this happens because there’s a small chance we can actually get them to make that the case.
(Now if only I could get everyone this riled up over the lack of the Eight Legends in the game…)
I’m wondering what if it’s Arden on Ayra’s place right now…
Honestly, I imagine there would be less anger. But even still, he’s a pretty impressive armour with an exclusive skill. So I think people would be pretty miffed regardless.
I think this is a great point but for me it’s still a bad precendent to set regardless of the character
I think this was a very bad move on IS. It has gotten so much backlash and rightfully so. I don’t think they should’ve separated the banners but when you think about it, then there wouldn’t be a TT banner. Since they made Ayra a 40% unit. The way to solve this was to not make her a 40% unit. They should’ve made Julia the last 40% unit as a lot of people thought. This way they could’ve done Julia with Lachesis and Eldigan. I think this is a very bad precendent because this seems to show that IS wants to move in a bad direction. This is a perfect example of the bad path of Gacha games. You have an event and make the characters look good and desirable while also hinting another separate character being good and desirable so people spend their orbs for the banner not expecting the separate character to be a different summoning. Then they don’t have orbs for the new summoning. This is how they get you to spend money. When you think about it yes if you pay you will have an upper hand but now this is leaning towards a pay to win mechanic which is destructive for a huge section of the players and fan base. Personally I thought she was Tempest Trail reward BUT then they announced Arden. So immediately I thought ok he is certainly the Tempest Trial reward and maybe she will be a similar situation as Navarre. Navarre was an enemy that you recruit which is why he was a grand hero battle. Slight spoiler warning……….. Ayra was an enemy in Genealogy of the Holy War that you recruit so it made sense that she would be a similar case as Navarre
What they did with Ayra here is upsetting, but the only real complaint that I see is that they should have advertised her as being a summon character from the beginning. The whole tempest trial is based on first generation units from FE4, so that throws Seliph and Julia out of the equation. And it would have been weird for them to have a summon focus with only two units, since I don’t think they have done that before.
Wait seriously, the NPCs are going to be paid DLC? Didn’t see that one coming. That mostly sucks for the Fates pack since it means only one new character.
Also so much for listening to the fan response, lol. Of course it’s all already decided.
Glad my waifu Azura and Olivia is in the game! Linde I wanted too and she in!
So many girls added to the game, they pretty much forgot male characters exist. I shouldn’t be surprised at this point. I probably won’t bother going for the DLC, tempted as I am for Navarre. If you could purchase just the male characters on their own, I would do, but I really am not bothered about the rest any more.
Maybe if I get bored, I’ll go for the SD banner, since I do like the characters. I just would’ve liked to see some others, personally. Cain and Abel were my top hopes, even though I didn’t really expect to see them in. And there’s no way I’m paying to get Tharja, so Owain is out. Niles isn’t my favourite Fates character by a long shot, so SD is really the only one I might go for.
Well, I mean, IIRC they let the fans vote who they wanted in, and these are the characters that made it in if I’m not mistaken.
For reference:
Before DLC: 9+1 males / 14+1 females (the +1 is the costume change for Robin and Corrin if you want to count them).
After DLC: 12+1 males / 20+1 females.
Either way, I’m good with this as I tend to prefer playing as the female characters in any game. But that’s just personal opinion.
Arden is the Tempest Trial Hero. Arya should have been in Sigurds group. I send feedback so we can get a 4 star neutral Arya for our troubles with 20 orbs.
so far only the Fates pack looks worth buying, as much as id Love to get Minerva & Olivia.. tharja & Nirave i couldn’t care less for. if the extra weapons are good enough i might consider the other 2 packs.
i got to say these first 3 packs feel like cheap milking… in a future update Ike, Roy, & Alm should be added to the roster for free. (also this game seriously needs more axes)
if each pack had 5 instead of 3… id add Merric & Maria to ShadowDragon, Kaze & Jacob to Fates, and then Vaike & Kellam to Awakening. i know its just wishful thinking but id love it if those characters were part of it as well~
(i hope the non-playable villains are added free in a future update, Hyrule Warriors did that so i have my fingers crossed)
after i heard about promotion classes i quickly got another idea i hope to see in the game. id love to see more than one equip-moveset to switch between, also non-lord characters have branching promotions 🙂 that would be awesome to implement
(Shiida would be interesting because she could choose between a Lance/sword-Falconknight or a wyvernlord)
The problem with that is that they’ve actually already come out and confirmed that we will not be getting Roy or Ike in any way until a Fire Emblem Warriors 2, should they decide to make that. I’d like Alm, though.
ive been thinking of the personal skill each DLC character might have, im predicting..
F: Azura: probably a defense or support skill, Niles: hmm Movement+? that would be fun, Oboro: kinda stumped.. defence seal or rage related?
SD: Minerva: OH! isoltes shield!?, Navarre: death blow (improved crits), Linde: resist rally?
A: Olivia: Luck+10, Owain: no clue lol, Tharja: vengeance no doubt
(i picture the Rally & Seal skills will buff/weaken ally/enemies in a certain proximity, also only Strength,Magic,Defence,&Resistance stats would make sense)
I won’t deny that the character choices are good, they really are, but this is really coming off as “waifu emblem” big time and the main game was already kind of doing that. Fire Emblem typically does an equal number of both. I am aware of how Koei Tecmo operates, but this is just silly.
Also, seriously have to question the fact that NPCs are DLC. They could have made them part of a free update and then made upgrades for them DLC. And still no knights in a game meant to celebrate the franchise as a whole? I get that they are slow, but they can be made into tanks to compensate.
Owain as a character choice is not good.
And that’s a problem? This isn’t new
I am just not thrilled that it’s more of the same rather than fixing the obvious problems.
No adult tiki? that’s bad
I don’t understand why people are so cheap. Having Ayra in a second banner would raise chances of getting her rather than slapping her on the Sigurd-Deirdre banner. Remember for each banner you get 1 free summon. Second, that first summon would normally cost 5 orbs but is normally negated from the first time, therefore you would only need to spend 15 orbs instead of 20 if you were trying to get the whole summoning round. And last, if one doesn’t want to summon for the whole round, then only pick out the red ones and reset. It just seems no matter how much times you make something better, you will always make at least one person complain.
I’m okay with most of the characters. Don’t like Tharja but pretty much expected her.
But Olivia? I feel like that’s probably the most out of left field choice of them all.
No she’s not….
Earlier today, I’ve sent out a near-friendly complaint to the developers of Heroes. I’m honestly upset of the turn of events which was seriously a profound move. I’ve also included pointers where new characters should be: included in the same banner with the new set of heroes, a Grand Battle Hero or Tempest Trials reward in the near future. Ayra definitely does not deserve this sort of treatment and I would be torn if one of my favorite characters I want included would end up like that. It’s definitely worth sending feedback so this would not happen ever again.
Owain? The worst character? Really? And no Severa? This is an outrage, dunno if i should get the DLC now.
You mean the best character?
Nope. Worst. Every time he opens his mouth I get the urge to mute, my eyes roll because everything he says is painful to hear.
Even though I managed to summon her, it would have been even better if she had her own Grand Hero Battle or Tempest Trial.
My order will arrive on monday. I guess that’s what I deserve for getting FE15 one day early.
Don’t worry everyone, the Sacred Stones cards have a unique pattern that nobody even pays attention to, that totally makes up for the fact that they’re not their own color!
In all seriousness, glad to see some info on this set, looking forward to the live stream details, plus holy cow, I want those Eirika sleeves!
“Trained a team” Yeah I want what they’re using… I can’t even scratch Tiki on Map 4 Lunatic
According to the notifcation the teams on Hard are the original dev teams, the Lunatic ones have increased stats.
I love the horse emblem! cannot get enough lmfaoooo
With all these extra orbs I figured that I could break the deadlock… But no. 4.75% and going strong!
I want what they’re using, I’ve never heard of some of these skills before
Anyone have any tips to beating any of these at higher difficulties?
Hard to say without knowing your units or which map you’re talking about, but I beat all of them with standard horse. It’s basically arena but with Tempest Trials difficulty, and you can lose units. So playing a few times to get the gimmick down will help. For example, you’ll want to separate the dragons so they don’t get fortified and try to hit them when they aren’t on defense tiles. For the last horse one, it goes without saying that you can’t let any of them activate Wings of Mercy. I’m F2P, so you have a specific query, I can probably think of something you’ll have
I ended up using my Light’s Bleesings on Parts 4 and 5 in Lunatic mode! Christ, the developers’s units are ridiculously too OP!
My team of Dierdre, Black Knight, Brave Lyn, and P! Azura were able to take out every team, except for the Manakete Squad, which I had to replace Black Knight with Julia to do. Black Knight has the Panic Ploy 2 SS which was very important, especially on the Strike from Afar challenge in which he completely nerfs Cecilia and OTK her.
Manakete was easily the hardest for me
That’s not a Bael, that’s Tragoedia
Maybe I can still get and Ayra with these orbs…nope, just another +res Eldigan…fml.
But these seem to be good seals to get though, hello power creep my old friend. Also, I think a lot of people are over stating just how OP Arden will be, sure he’ll have amazing physical bulk and power making him a major threat to certain teams, but his Res and low mobility means he still needs major support and without it, mages will walk all over him since even with the Deflect Magic sacred seal, combined with a dancer and mages can OTK him.
I don’t like armored units so im just gonna fodder him for his brave sword. I’ll keep his four star at least. Plus I prefer Black Knight as the red armored unit
Fodder the 5 star? hmmm not a bad idea, usually make a +1 with the TT person but I probably wouldn’t use him since the Black Knight is my red armored too, but who to give it to is the biggest question
It was clearly overstated the extent to which we would be getting sacred coins from this. 80 isn’t even enough to max out one of them (Or upgrade two). I’m pretty sure I will no longer be playing this game by the time I can upgrade a handful of them
I don’t remember them ever making any sort of statement or implication on the quantity of coins you could get from these events.
I don’t think they did, but it was speculated that they would use the trials to compensate a little for needing so many coins to upgrade the seals. I didn’t want that anyway, since orbs are still the most valuable resource to me, but I think people are still wondering what the point of the seal forge is if they aren’t tying it to money somehow and it risks cutting into the other stuff we get (maybe fewer feathers or something)
The initial comment wasn’t very clear, so I’ve tried to edit it a little to reflect that.
I love how Seliph appears in the Tempest Trial story but he is not a bonus ally. It is like: “Hey, I am here but I will do nothing.”
Oh GREAT, Seliph is there but he’s not a Bonus, his father Sigurd is, which I can never summon Sigurd! And Julia is the boss for the final map. Just…why?
She is controlled by Manfroy in Fe4’s final map. This is a recreation of that chapter.
Why does Ike have a red background on the list of team members in one of the screenshots?
That’s the summoner support background
That guidance sacred seal, put that on a horse and oof. Gotta decide between upgrading that or phantom speed for Ayra
Sigurd is a god on these tempest trials. I just got him to LV 40 in less than 5-10 minutes
Of course I’d get a 5* Minerva that I already have from the free summon. That type of thing would never happen when there’s new characters.
Hey, Hinoka finally gets to be a focus Unit for the first time in forever! That should make people slightly less frustrated at any rate.
I’m left still hoping for a Halloween Banner, though…ah, well.
It burns me because I’m still trying for FE4 units then they finally decide to rerun Hinoka at the same time -.-
Some people found a leak about a Halloween banner, too.
Got a Jagen from my free summon… I get the feeling that all the blue orbs I get nowadays are cursed. At least it’s another Hone Cavalry.
I was hoping to get a Minerva so I could get one with a better IV, but no greens in my circle…at least I pulled a Hinoka that I can feed to someone since I already have a perfect IV one
For the record i’m showcasing FE:Warriors not speedrunning it haha.
Please let the fates game be conquest
It’s a bidwar, I think coinflip between tied options
F*** it, I can’t beat this GHB on Infernal mode! It’s bad enough I’ll have to deal with her thieves with Poison Dagger+, now there’s a powerful Green Cavalier?! Unless there’s a way to beat this Goddamn Infernal mode WITHOUT the “Inheritance Skills” bullcrap, COUNT ME THE HELL OUT OF THIS!
inheritance skill is actually quite interesting when you try to sort out skills and whatnot. all the “trash” units that you pull can actually be used as fodder to make your main units stronger. most heroes have an empty slot that isn’t covered in their base kit somewhere that you can fill with just the right skill. i recommend gamepress for builds and skill searching. there are units that have a particular skill maxed out or available at 5 stars, but there are others who have these particular skills already at 4 stars (ex. Hinata having fury3). all the free daily units have a particular skill that is useful for other certain units. heck, IS even gives you a free dancer
Not anymore it doesn’t! Even Olivia wouldn’t help that much, and the Performing Arts Banner never gave me a single Dancer or Singer, and they’ll be gone forever in a few days, that’s one of the reasons why IS keeps trolling me with the weak 3-Star Heroes! Other than that, it’s not fair that none of my powerful units have dagger breaker skills to fight back against the Poison Dagger+ Thieves, but the weaker units do, which is not enough!
no fairness involved. it’s a gatcha game (meaning that it encourages spending) that has gambling as it’s main feature. it’s pure chance on what you draw. it’s up to you on what you wanna spend your orbs and money on. if you wasted your free orbs then you can only resort to cash (check gamepress’s orb pricing guide to see which option gives the most orbs in accordance to the amount that you can spend). try not to get all of a banner’s units. focus on those that you lack or need. i skipped sigurd because i already have brave roy and xander is coming up soon. i skipped performance olivia (tho i did try a bit) and inigo.
i doubt that they’ll be gone forever. they’ll just repost the special banners when their initial release date comes up. main banner heroes will be added to a voting gauntlet banner or a skill specific one
I don’t know why you folks even bother. Just ignore these comments. They don’t contribute anything and I don’t know what you’re expecting to accomplish by engaging
Because there’s a chance he might listen this time is my guess.
At some point, you’re gonna have to work with the tools you’re given. Skill Inheritance is a game mechanic that everyone can use, and the game’s challenges nowadays are built with that level of power in mind. It’s gonna make your life in this game much easier if you take advantage of it. You don’t even necessarily need really rare skills to get good results. For instance, if you have a 5-star Black Knight or Xander (both of which were available for free at some point), slap Quick Riposte or Daggerbreaker on them (any tier of the skill will do, and I recommend Quick Riposte) and they’ll be able to take out the dagger wielder at the bottom on turn 1 on the counter, no problem.
Well, guess what? A Youtuber named Ventus made his No Skill Inheritance Guidance Video on how to beat Ursula GHB Infernal mode, and his video helped me succeed.
Good good, really enjoying these event banners. I never want any of the characters in them so it’s perfect for saving up more orbs.
I think they miss a great opportunity to get more people invested in the older characters through these banner. In any case, I hope it’s not another banner full of Awakening/Fates characters
there’s henry on the right. and on the right either nah or morgan. maybe sakura
That’s probably the case. I couldn’t really care less about them though, since I’d much rather have the actual characters instead of what’s essentially fan service costumes with stat variations.
Although, maybe they realise that the ones that are more prone to spend money on event banners are fans of the 3DS games, and therefore focus on them.
I mean, I think it’s a poorly kept secret that the 3DS assets sell better, it just seems they’re going to die on that hill rather than attempt to diversify. As for me, I’ll take any alternate character if I prefer the art to the original, but I’m mostly interested because they tend to introduce new mechanics in these banners. For example, I pulled a ton for Summer Corrin and it was NOT because I have any love for the character
Yeah, if there’s good skills you could inherit then it might be worth it in the end. I was considering going for close def Tiki when that was new, but seeing Sigurd having it now as well (a character I actually wanted), it’s just not worth going for it imo. Rather just wait and try for the banners I like and then maybe sacrifice bad IV ones.
But why’d you go for her though lol. The only reason I can think of is that she’s the only blue mage flier. Her skills are not too amazing to warrant spending a ton of orbs on, at least not for me.
(on a side note, since I’m used to referring to most characters by their original names, having two Kamui’s is kinda annoying)
Yeah, you got it: I wanted to be able to throw Blarblade on her, and because I happened to randomly pull Spring Camilla before, I figured I could have a fun flier team if they ever make Hone Fliers more accessible. I tend to prefer pulling for bodies more than just skills, at least until I know I have enough units to get through Arena Assault unscathed consistently. Like, I would’ve been fine with Summer Elise just to have another green mage. Even for characters I really like, I’m hard-pressed to pull for them if they aren’t that good/ are redundant (probably won’t need a red ever again)
Maybe you can go for Hinoka now if you still want to build that team, but yeah I’d rather save my orbs for the characters I’d like, ie pretty much everything that’s not Awakening/Fates. Regarding Arena Assault I consistently placed near the top in the beginning, but the rewards doesn’t really match the efforts. From beating one level you gain about 11 coins, and you gain 22 if you have a few merged units. So I just stopped caring about it since you get them from other sources now as well.
I also got two Eldigan when going for Aira. A joke really.
I was considering Hinoka, but really I might as well go for Nowi, since she has more utility and Hone Fliers anyway. Don’t really like her though, or her art. Flier Emblem was a lot more appealing before Brave Lyn was everywhere, but I’ve already invested a little in it, so I don’t know.
I usually hit 17 coins for a perfect run with no merges, and I’m fine with that. It usually take me a few days, since I restart the streak if I lose a character no matter what, but honestly, I kind of think some maps are just impossible if there’s a dancer or a horse team, so I’m not sure any new units will help with that. If that’s true, then I might just save for Micaiah or something, however long that takes.
So no Ayra at all then? Brutal.
Yeah, it really does feel as if they just keep introducing stronger stuff without much regard to what’s already strong. It also makes me being somewhat restricted and uncreative when I build teams for arena (+assault). The only team I ever field nowadays is summoner support counter Sheema (to deal with Reins and also draw in Lyns), ally support Tana (with Sheema, guidance to pivot everyone in, and to deal with strong sword units), Kleine to debuff and chip damage with savage blow to make Sheema capable of doubling most things, and finally the bonus ally (in this case Arvis). That’s it, and it really sucks because I’d like to build new teams, but there’s no point since this one does everything so well (4900+ points rank 20).
I’d like Micaiah as well, or Selena as a new blue mage rider. The only one I have is a Linde that I use as a cleric. I still have my Tiltyu though, but I’m gonna save her for merging for the day I get a better IV one.
Yep, didn’t get her. But it’s like you said before, I also have a ton of reds so having her is a bit redundant, so I was mostly going for her because of bias. That said, I won’t be able to contain myself once Marisa is released. She’s probably my favorite character since like ten years back, so in that case I’d make an exception to spend a lot of money to get her and a few merges.
Well at least you’re using one creative team; I usually just use horse to solve my problems. Though, to that point, nothing against Selena, but I’d prefer a moratorium on new horses, especially mage horses, though I suppose there’s no chance people will use her over Reinhardt but for preference. Micaiah could be blue, I guess.
The only good thing about the meta is it made me build a couple TA+Bowbreaker/TA+Raven tome users out of characters I probably wouldn’t have used otherwise (Sophia, Henry, Boey, Fae), just for Assault.
I’m so anti meta it’s crazy. Camus/Marx are the only pallys I’ve used at all, and I have the free Lyn but I’ve barely used her. I also don’t have a Rein. I just find it more fun to go with unconventional teams in general. I also have a Reflet (tobin pls don’t dis) that I built to counter Lyn, but I have an agenda against awakening characters so it’s not often I use him at all.
So that’s the thing, I would definitely use her over Rein. There’s enough tools available now to deal with teams like that and with two rows of panic ploy for my part all the buffs are definitely welcome.
I’m not really sure what the meta is actually. Like I know the units that are considered top tier, but is arena the meta, is arena assault, etc.? I don’t think I can hit Tier 20 without merges, even if I stopped using the low BST horses, so I just float around 19. For arena, it’s enough for me to just run horses and collect, and it helps for PvE challenges. Assault allows more creativity. I’m building a +ATK/-SPD Tailtiu right now from 4* and she’s exactly the kind of unit that is viable in Assault, with drive speed and rally spd/res for support, and of course blade. It’s also fun to drop Armor on an all-melee team, especially if there are defense tiles involved. So yeah, unconventional is fun, but horses are so easy
Oh man, Tiltyu can be obtained as a 4*? I love you for telling me this. Now I don’t have to wait for as long as I thought I would to get a better IV 5* of her. Just sucks that Aira is 5* locked still.
I’m not completely sure myself, but I think both arena modes go hand in hand as the initial team in assault has to be your strongest team for the maximum amount of points. At least it has to be the most merged. So practically you’d want a team that can deal with pretty much anything for the first battle and I guess that also goes for the normal arena. Especially if you’re like me that goes for the most difficult each time.
I did get a good Sigurd that I might use. Also the two Eldigan from my Aira questing. And I just got an Olwen, too. It was recently brought to my attention that the merged unit also obtains skills that the other unit inherited previously. This means I can actually put life and death on my not-so-blessed Olwen in preparation for one that is +spd without having to lose it in the process. If only I had known that earlier, lol.
Yeah, I mean, someone was going to drop in rarity, and it wasn’t going to be Sigurd, Deirdre, or Ayra. So she’s obviously easier to get as 4*, but I don’t know how much. Even by this point, there are still some 4* units I’ve never gotten, including at least one who was in the game from launch).
I have can probably make one +1 squad (Tharja, Roderick, Linde, some GHB or TT hero), but it probably wouldn’t be too viable for actual arena, and it might not even be enough to make Tier 20. The rewards aren’t too different though, just 1000 feathers or so.
I find the community is a little too obsessed with min/maxing. You probably don’t NEED a +SPD Olwen to have a viable Olwen. Most units are fine with neutral or non-hindering natures (I have a -SPD Lyn and a -SPD Delthea, though, and they’re screwed). My Reinhardt is actually -ATK/+DEF and I can’t recall being frustrated that he couldn’t kill something (some Sigurds maybe, but whatever). Hence the -SPD Tailtiu. I wanted another blue mage and with 32 base, darting blow, and a speed buff, 36-42 is probably fine for the things she’s fighting. She’s not dueling Nino anyway
Another new Banner?! GODDAMMIT! I don’t care if the first summoning is free, stop making me spend Orbs! And you know what?! I’m not falling for that bullcrap!
Should say “conquering *Infernal* Lv. 40+ Ursula: Blue Crow nets you 2,000 feathers and a 4 ★ Ursula.”
Is it just me or is the silhouette on the right have a shield? possibly coffin shield? maybe a armoured unit. Meanwhile the one on the left looks like they have a witches hat, maybe a tome unit. Also unlike the other silhouettes in the past, this one doesn’t have any obvious clues that point to it being a certain character it seems/ However the character on the left appears short. Still no Lucina in a Pikachu costume though. ;-;
Yes… The left one looks to be a witch, can looks like she is mounted in a broom. Maybe the flying red tome user we need? Or the broom will be a axe type weapon…
i think if Broom was a weapon it would be a lance. Also if the weapon the witch is wielding is a broom, i actually doubt she a flier(or at least is flying on a broom). However i can see a witch wielding a tome while riding on a broom.
Well… she is flying on a broom… Flying Tome user confirmed.
One of Jakob’s basic skills is Wary Fighter. Which can only be inherited by units that belong to a certain movement type and nobody else. This should make it obvious that he is not an infantry unit.
In the Fire Emblem Heroes Wiki, Jacob is a Armored unit.
Vampire… Witch … Frankenstein…. NEKO?!
*heaves*
Keaton/Velouria has been robbed…
Want that Sakura!!!!
Jakob is an armored unit due to him having Wary Fighter.
Dang, the game’s first armored armored bow and tome units, plus another flying tome unit. This changes quite a bit…and yet Reinhardt will still be top tier. Oh well.
Wtf, I had a feeling there was gonna be an archer in this banner, and said archer was gonna be my least favorite character in Fates. Anyways, I’m gonna try for Nowi and Henry so I can have a flier and armor team respectively, if I ever wanted to start one.
Also, since Jakob has Wary Fighter, the article should say he’s armored, not Infantry.
Both Henry and Jakob are armored ranged units, say hello to all the armor emblems teams. Nowi rounds out the flying mages with the missing red tome user…all that’s left is a flying bow, then there’s Sakura who seems to be the first dagger user designed to be good at offense with that hard anti-mage build.
Still a dagger, not going to be good until they radically change them.
The big thing to it though is that it deals bonus damage vs all tomes and Sakura also has Warding Stance, as if to say that the dev’s solution to fixing daggers is to make them into an anti-mage archetype. Still though, I’d like for them to do more universal fixes that for all daggers (and staves) but it seems like they don’t want to change any existing assets so the only thing to hope for now are new assets that exclusively benefits daggers (and staves).
NEKO SAKURA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
FRICKING CRAP
…looks like they really want me spending cash on Orbs…and looks like I really can’t escape Colorless hell…first Takumi for Close Counter, then Genny for Wrathful Staff, now this…WHY?!?!?!?!
I feel you, got 2 damn indigo and I as so close to missing out on the lovely Black Azura, but the gods smiled upon me in the last few days, and obviously a unique dancer I can merge is still awesome.
Please let me get that neko imouto. In Naga’s Name!
ditto. I was having no luck for like, 60 orbs, and I relly wanted azura. then suddenly… inigo. I was disapointed, and I almost didn’t summon the second green orb, but I did. lo and behold: azura. now I’m EXTREAMLY happy.
anyways I’m going to go for loli waifu dragon.
I got 5 Inigos in the end, no Azura T_T
No way, uh-uh, not spending any Orbs on this Halloween Banner, I’m sick and tired of ending up getting the crappy 3-Star Heroes instead of the powerful Focus Heroes!
What will you use them on then?
Nothing. I’m done summoning.
Booyah! +Spd Nowi, now to go for Henry or Jakob.
when Ayra wasn’t a bonus ally last season I figured the next but nope just passing her by altogether.
Waiting for November 1st to have new quest to get more Orbs… I got a 5-stars Cain until now… so sad…
The chances of me getting anyone from this banner is pretty slim considering I got spooked by 5 stars Sheena and Roderick.
The worst burn was getting spooked by 5 star regular Sakura. It’s like the game knew I wanted neko Sakura the most and abused that knowledge to humiliate me.
I actually got spooked by 5 star Sheena too lol….though not really lol because its the 2nd time she spooked me. Cuz you know, shelling around $31 for for a Sheena is oh so enjoyable….kind of killed my mood for this banner. But after some determination of chain battles, I managed to get a 5star Gray with good IVs so I guess I’m content with this being the first banner I haven’t pulled any focus characters.
Hope the next non-event banner will be an Awakening/Fates one so I can save up more orbs. It’s typical that I’d get a Sakura in my free summon, so I just gave warding stance away instead.
i hope it’s either radiant dawn, genealogy second gen, thracia or sacred stones
Thracia could be likely, but I wouldn’t count on the other ones. Besides, I don’t want to skip any of those lol. In particular if we get Leaf.
he’s my boy, not roy
I finally got a Vampire Henry, and he’s not as useless as the original Henry! Nice!
Gotta love the turn of a new month. Orbs galore.
But I’m not summoning on the Halloween banner, so it looks like I’m saving up for whatever is coming mid-month. And with these new wallpaper images… Look, I know we had a PoR banner not long ago, but… Radiant Dawn banner? Please? Micaiah is one of only two FE protagonists from the main-line games who are still not present in Heroes (the other being Leif from Thracia), and really, if it’s Tellius, I kinda really want it.
same
I have to think we’ll see a Radiant Dawn banner by the end of the year, and i have to think Micaiah will headline it if it comes. And I will be all over it, despite my reservations about Micaiah as a unit
What would she even be in heroes, staff or tome? Lucius was a light tome wielder in….god what was the subtitle….Blazing Sword? but they made him a staff wieldier in heroes.
My thought was always red tome with a high MAG/RES focus, but I guess she could be any color.
they should make staffs with built-in wrathful stave and introduce powerful healer skills
or introduce light tomes
Healing mechanics don’t really mix too well with the game as it stands right now, and probably won’t ever, so I think it’s something that they at least have limited utility in endurance modes. The problem with making staffs essentially colorless magic is that unless won’t patch out the ill-conceived damage penalty, they risk rendering all previous staff users basically useless. I think there’s a lot they can play with (warp/rescue staff, long-range buffs and debuffs), but I wouldn’t want to see that with Micaiah anyway
I feel like she would essentially be a blue Sanaki. (Which, if you’ve played the game, is appropriate…) Huge Magic, and a possibly even more huge Res stat (that 80% and 90% growth respectively, wow), but kinda slow and physically frail. And I say Blue, because I personally associate that most with Light magic, given the original light tome, Aura, being used by the blue-type Linde. And Red is home to Fire, as well as Dark magic, so I feel that would not be quite as thematically appropriate for Micaiah. Now granted, with Julia and Deirdre’s Naga tomes as green types, I suppose that would also be an option, but Julia and Deirdre, coincidentally, also have a stat spread that’s very close to what I imagine Micky would have, so that leaves my prediction as Blue Tome unit.
I know what happened to Lucius, but I don’t think they’d ever do it to a main character, especially since staves just aren’t that popular… And besides, her signature skill is called ‘Sacrifice’, so we can be almost certain what will fill that Support Slot. She also has a unique tome, but given Heroes’s track record with Rapier-type weapons… well, we’ll just have to see if they decide to give her Thani or not.
You make a good case, especially since we don’t really have a Sanaki or Julia build for blue tomes. I think I was thinking mostly of color scheme, which does seem to be how they’ve chosen colors in the past, but you’ve convinced me. I’d rather you’re right anyway. I think the odds are against them adding Thani, since I recall it being more unique than legendary. Although, my interest in her as a unit will be based on whether she can handle horses, so a buffed Wolf tome that either hits armors too or comes with some additional res protection would be a nice way to go with her. I can’t really think of what her niche would be otherwise, since she was such a mediocre unit in Radiant Dawn for me in every playthrough
Hey Serenes Forest and players of FEH, I would like your help. I want a new feature for the game: A boon and bane identification. Can you help me, sending this recommendation in the game? Here’s my text for you read:
I would like to recomend a feature for the game: A boon and bane identification. In the Pokémon games series, there is boon and bane stats in each Pokémon, but they are noticed with different colors: the boon stat is in red, while the bane stat is in blue. In my opinion, something like this will help players to know what are the boon and banes of each unit.
I don’t disagree on the idea, just adding possible context. While natures in pokemon fit the one stat down one stat up part of boons and banes, I’d say IVs also fit and those are generally less clear. (and runs into the issue of what postgame and level 100 means in FEH) From a Fire emblem standpoint they might represent growth rates (but differing on an added level of individual units rather than just separate characters) and have those ever been displayed in game?
It’s annoying that they don’t have it in game, but there are resources online like: https://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Stats_Calculator
But these only work for units that are either Level 1 or Level 40, so if you have a unit that’s Level 15 or so you are just out of luck.
I lot of time I forgot what are the boons and banes of my units which are level 20 or something. Having a indicator of this would be amazing!
I love those adorable pins!
The sticky note with Wrys and the clear files is what I want to see more of. It’s tiring that most things have to revolve around main characters when there’s tons of others to choose from.
This one seems kinda in the air, the Fates characters in this one are not as popular as Camilla so I doubt they’ll have the backing she did. Though the first rounds do seem a bit obvious: Ameila, Hinoka, Takumi, and Ryoma will likely win out, but then the next rounds will probably be close though. But my final round guess will be Amelia v Ryoma.
I know, right? This is one of the first gauntlets IIRC where I honestly can’t guess who might take everything. Your prediction sounds pretty spot on, though. However, Voting Gauntlets have been more and more of a wild card lately with how the bonus time works. Without it, there would have been no way that Camilla beat Lyn in the CYL banner. So really it’s all up in the air for this one.
Yeah, those score multiplier for the losing team can certainly jank things, so it’s very likely that we’ll get an upset, I’m gonna try and side myself with the loosing teams so I can get more feathers from it all. Each time I’m on a winning team, sure I get the 500 for winning, but I’ll only get 900 for my score, while on the loosing team I’ll typically get 1700, it’s all dependent on optimizing that multiplier.
Eh, I think Ryoma is the most likely to be an upset on here – if anyone on this Gauntlet can take down a Fates Royal Round 1, it’s definitely Soren. There are also a lot of us who find Takumi obnoxious, so it’s possible enough of those guys will go Karel and take him out. I’m hoping for a full Karel upset, myself. Also huzzah for Hinoka finally being available again, I guess, though I’m still waiting for Cordelia.
Wow, Katarina vs. Soren… that’s going to be a struggle. Plus another opportunity to pull Amelia (and Hinoka). Cool
WELP, so much for saving Orbs. I’m going all-in on the girls banner, because I’d be really happy to get eith er Katarina or Amelia. My Hector and Sheena are both -Atk (Sheena is only 4-star, too), so I could definitely do with a better green armour, and Katarina would be my fastest Red Mage, a speedy red mage still being something I lack (and I really don’t want to use Tharja). Been stuck with Sanaki for the longest time, and while Arvis is faster… he’s still not very fast. So yeah, wish me luck.
For what it’s worth, I actually run a -ATK/+RES Sheena with Fortress Defense and Ignis on my Armor Team and I actually don’t have any complaints. She doesn’t die to things she isn’t supposed to and Ignis punches a hole in just about everything. Amelia is probably better, but with my limited orbs, I don’t feel particularly inclined to try to replace Sheena with her. Katerina is pretty good with Blade. Doesn’t always kill Brave Ike, but if you have a Peforming Azura, she’ll pack a punch. Only 34 neutral speed though
That 34 Speed is exactly why I would personally not run Blade on her and keep the Owl Tome that she starts with. I know it’s somewhat situational, but the Owl Tome does provide valuable points in Speed, allowing the unit to reach Speed tiers they otherwise couldn’t, and I think that’s particularly valuable for a unit who at base has just above average speed, like Katarina. I think Blade Tomes are best suited for units that can benefit from a movement-type buff or units that are just really fast to begin with like the +Spd Nino I have.
Yeah that’s fair. I think it depends on what you’re trying to accomplish (and also probably what level you’re playing at). I mostly bring her in for Arena Assault mostly to kill Brave Ike or tank green mages, and I find given the respective speed tiers of that group means that I can go for damage instead. Besides, 41-42 speed with buffs and Swift Sparrow works for me, as she can also kill some bulky reds. Plus, I just really like her, but the speed does throw some people off
I’ve been told a few times that due to Wrys’ meme status in Japan (and nowadays the US too, I guess) he’s one of the few non-main characters to receive merchandise, but I’ve never actually seen any real evidence of that. Until now, that is. It feels sorta surreal somehow…
Rooting for Amelia, Soren, or Karel.
Stylish hair cut? Def not Ryouma, Goku wore it better in super saiyan 3. Ryouma cant even make his hair golden
and hello colorless hell my old friend, I’ve come to try and get Takumi again….
Soren first Ameilia second personally also first 5 star from a free summon so that was kinda nice would have preferred a Takumi (5 colorless orbs what the hell?) but another Amelia is welcome
Anyone else find it weird that whoever picked this merch seems to only like the Fates brothers, Chrom, and Lyn? Lol
No Fates sisters or even Lucina
Anyways I think Camilla could’ve made a cool acrylic with the wyvern.. so I’m sad she didnt get one.
Now I don’t know whether to keep trying for Ayra, or try to finally get a Takumi…
Oh yeah, by the way, Soren is absolutely getting my support. Granted, I doubt he’ll survive his battle with Ryoma, but so be it. I like Soren a lot as a character and hey, it’s feather-efficient.
I’ll be backing Soren also, he is easily in my top 5 favorite Fire Emblem characters. He does have a miniscule chance of winning that pretty much solely relies on other people being more popular than Ryoma however even if Soren does win round one, I don’t see a foreseeable way for him to beat Takumi. Note this is realistically looking at it, I’m not even gonna try to guess how the bonuses are going to affect the score, because those cause some janky wins.
I finally have my lobster! I’m sooo happy!
finally got all the orbs. did a few stupid SI that i should’t have done by mimicking other heroes on youtube. alfonse sure does suck when you try to use him on the lunatic map. he’s completely useless in that regard
I saw a YT video where someone managed to clear Lunatic with 3* Askr siblings plus 4* Nino and (weaponless) Olivia. Was quite surprised to see Alfonse even kill one of the units on the map…was very proud of him! 😛
he can kill green units easily, sure. but he dpesn’t have what it takes to even take down celica or alm. he’d get one shotted by them
True. In the video he took down the Celica actually, but only with the help of Olivia. He definitely couldn’t have handled her on his own.
Eine’s got my support.
this is really awesome. thank you for supporting such a cause. 🙂
Ahhh yeah, pulled an Ayra just now with one last attempt. -Atk, but I don’t care.
You’re pulling for NekoSakura too? My search finally ended yesterday, here’s hoping yours comes soon as well!
Congrats! Yeah, seasonal Sakura is pretty much the only must-have unit for me. But I screwed up and blew my Orbs on Performing Arts, so I have to scrape by with whatever I can muster.
Thank god
Maybe I can finally pull WitchNowi
I thought the new characters were super lame before, but they’ve really grown on me after playing, Lianna especially. These new outfits actually look pretty cool honestly.
im really hoping Promoted units can gain the ability to have 2nd equips up to silver-grade (also hold up to 4 item slots, perhaps switching weapons & staff/items in the map menu)
one thing the roster needs more of is variety, not just weapon users but classes too. armor units may be sluggish on map but they’d be fun to tank everything with brute force~
These costumes for the lemon twins look better than the originals, if you ask me.
Now we know what are the Broken-Armor Models in the DLC. 13 Broken-Armor Models in the Fates DLC Pack, 9 in the Shadow Dragon Pack, and 9 in the Awakening Pack, for a total of 32 Broken-Armor Models. And if you consider M!Robin and F!Robin as one character, and same for Corrin, each character will have one Broken-Armor Models.
I think that might be different actually. I’m just guessing though. The broken-armour models might literally be characters with their armour, but broken in parts. Whereas Armour Break causes all of the armour to disappear. In other words, the broken-armour models could be halfway between.
Since the broken-armour costumes are paid DLC, while Armour Break looks to be a part of the free DLC.
But the Armour Break can be only activate after the character get attacked by a enemy, right? Maybe with the DLC Broken-Armor Models you can use the Armour Break costume full time but without the penalities (until get attacked by a armour break weapon).
Or it’s like Fusion Suit Mode in Metroid – you’re just perpetually at risk?
Its clear after this update, that the Broken Armor Models are for this feature. You will have to unlock them to use them through the new DLC History Mode maps for each character. Just like Hyrule Warriors.
Oh, the game is getting even better.
16th November in Japan… I wonder if we’ll get v.1.2 in December then.
Red and gold are much more striking visually than blue and gold, I like these new costumes.
we need more husbandos, especially more bara (my excuse to ask for ike, Hector, ect)
also i seriously want a GBA pack adding bunch of characters & stuff from those 3 games, also i want a variety of different monster enemies + we need more giant bosses than just the chaos dragon :/ (demon king, reborn Medeus, doma, & arkanos would be good choices)
More giant baddies would be dope. Also, seeing that each game in this first wave of DLC is coming with 3 characters a piece, what are the 3 characters you’d want to see from each FEGBA game (excluding playable villains, since that’s not a thing yet, but it needs to be)? For me it would be: Sue, Lilina, and Fa for FE6; Jaffar, Nino, and Hector for FE7; Tethys, Ephraim, and Cormag for FE8.
actually the 2nd wave of DLC should honestly should have more content (simply because the 1st wave was extending sagas already ingame) it would NEED to be more characters than just 3.. (hell i even want a new stage each pack but that could too much on data storage)
packs im hopping for would at least be Blazing/binding, Gidan, Sacred Stones, & Radiant.
you guys should definitely go for elincia and delthea if you’ve missed them. pass on klein cause he’s available at 4 stars (he already has deathblow3 at that rarity)
I got Elincia… from the Short-Haired Ladies Banner. How ironic.
This is the second Death Blow banner. The first one was in September.
damn i like the red in the outfits
Got a four star Mathilda for my free summon, I already had Elincia from her debut banner.
I am very impressed with how well the arts for the Marcia, Astrid, and Fiona cards incredibly capture the scenes when you recruit these characters. Marcia on a pirate boat and you clearly see the faces of Havetti, the boss, and one of the other bandits. Astrid on a boat as well. And finally Fiona with the 2 civilians in the background demonstrating she’s fighting for her people. Every time they announce new arts, they are just incredible. The FE8 cards look great too. The ross one is just funny.
Was hoping to pull for Delthea, whom I don’t have. Was sad to go for my free summon and see zero blue orbs. Pulled colourless and got a Brave Lyn (+HP/-Spd) so I guess I shoudn’t complain! I already have a +Atk one, so I’ll probably merge…unless I can find a good candidate for Swift Sparrow.
I feel like the brave heroes are a likely bet for series 13. We could also get some other seasonal heroes I guess, or maybe just popular characters in the game, like Reinhardt. I mean, he makes a much larger impact in heroes than he does in Thracia.
Really, really good banner. Klein is solid in his own right, even if he’s outclassed (and he’s really low-commitment, too), and Elincia and Delthea are both fantastic units. I REALLY want to pull for Elincia again, since I didn’t have any luck on the original banner for her.
BUT, I must restrain myself, because we’ll have another new-unit banner very soon, and I don’t want to risk regretting having spent my orbs when it hits. Besides, this banner will still go a little while, so I shouldn’t feel rushed to summon from it immediately.
Surfboarding Sharena. SURFBOARDING SHARENA.
No, seriously. Surfboarding Sharena.
Surfboarding Sharena in Heroes when?
for those of you having trouble using alphonse and shareena to defeat cecilia and lillina, you can do the binding blade chain challange on lunatic. you don’t have to even clear it. plus, the units in those map don’t really have that many skills from SI
I remember this bound hero challenge being the easiest one to do, it took me only 2 tries to do infernal…who cares, free orbs.
Expansion to friend list content, and a way to change a hero’s IVs to a limited degree; those are the 2 points I want most addressed. I’d also like for them to make 3/4* heroes out of some of the 5* exclusives that currently exist. Too many of the new heroes stay as 5* exclusives making the 3/4* pool increasingly barren. These are just some of the hopes I have.
maybe make some of the 5* exclusives be 4* exclusive, and some 4/5*s be 3/4*s.
It’s particularly annoying since if you were to look at every banner that contained new characters that stayed permanently (which means none of the seasonal ones), there were a total of 61 heroes brought in this way, and only 25 stayed as a 4* obtainable. Which things were handled nicely in the beginning as the pattern was that only half stayed as 5* exclusives, but changed to keeping all but 1 5* starting with the Alm’s and Celica’s Army banners.
I personally think focus units should also have a chance to appear as 4*, like 7% or something
I didn’t know there was 15 months?
People still play Heroes?
Yeah its the same as people asking if people still play Pokemon GO
Spoiler: they do.
You bet I’m curious! What I’m most interested in is seeing what new feature(s) may be coming up for the game. …Perhaps we’ll finally see the introduction for Laguz/other Beast units? Maybe? Probably not yet, tbh, but I can dream…
Hm… probably they will announce a new Grand Hero Battle and Hero Fest 3! Maybe the next Voting Gauntlet will be Halloween Vs Christmas, similar to Ylissean Summer Vs Nohrian Summer Voting Gauntlet.
Finally Amelia and L’Arachel plus more Lyn!
No, I don’t care what will happen next, I am DONE with this game! And you know why?! Because in the Short-Haired Ladies vs. Long-Haired Gents Voting Gauntlet, I lost 3 Voting Gauntlet matches in a row! The multiplier screwed things over, and the character that I voted ended up with lower scores than the enemy’s scores! So…I QUIT! I DELETED THIS APP!
Were the quest descriptions gotten directly from the game? Because there is a typo with the last four saying “10 defeat enemies” instead of “defeat 10 enemies”.
5 orbs as an apology LOL
The typo is only on the website. The game simply says: Use (ally type) allies to defeat enemies.
Oops, copy and paste error on my behalf XD
Distant def 3 seal is insane. Especially on high defece low res distant counter units.
Brave Lyn +3 Dancers made the final map Lunatic free.
Will the Distant Def Seal ever be available again? ._.
I have a feeling they’ll do a mini TT at the first month of every season. So in December I guess. Didn’t the last FeH channel include a mini TT
Fjorm looks amazing she better be strong like in the trailer, the other changes are great help strengthen your units out more!
they weren’t kidding when they promised to patch up healers and such. though they didn’t fix the summoning pool, a 8% chance with no % on non focus units. this looks like what hero fest was supposed to be. i’m guessing it’s 3 separate banners. upgrading killing weapons and older legendary weapons into their newer variants is quite nice
Considering my hard luck at getting halloween banner up to 5* with hardly anything to show for it, this 8% could be all kinds of nice…or just a hope crusher >.>
The weapon refinery helps lessen the power creep that has been happening. It’ll only be concerning if already OP weapons get this, but judging from what is said, OP weapons like Dire Thunder don’t seem to have this privilege…or at least hopefully none of the additional skill privileges.
Yeah, it looks like Dire Thunder and Brave Weapons aren’t on the list for upgrades of any kind at all
“Everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked…”
Joshua does look like to have older skills https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fdc0a47a9f72834a3d155e8775e19e0bce5881e97ede8acec1c34582c8732806.png
Dorcas looks weird, he’s such a glaringly different art style from everyone else. I actually hate the art on most of the fighter/warrior class characters…
8% is nuts
Of course, part of that is achieved, because there’s no off-banner 5-star units, so the odds of pulling a banner unit is no higher than that of pulling off a Hero Fest, if I’m not mistaken. And with so many units on that single banner, there’s a good chance you may get your pity rate broken by a unit you weren’t looking for.
That said, it’s still a great rate.
The staff boosts and barracks expansion were sorely needed, but the new heroes just seem like more power creep, and they didn’t do anything about the tremendous rarity imbalance. I’ll reserve judgment on the new story and weapon refinery, I guess
So I had to shell out over $800 on car repairs. So I vowed to not spend money on these games (since I play more than Heroes) unless its extreme circumstances (like guaranteed 5 stars like FGO does during new years). So pulling a -hp +res Lute with my free pull made me happy. With Fury, girl reaches 40 res.
I wished the wording was better when they said Book 2 was coming “right away”, since obviously it isn’t here now.
Book 2, huh? Well, when will it arrive? They obviously lied when they said that it’s coming right away.
It’s not worded great, but the narrator was still talking about “what’s coming with the next update”, which they’ve also stated will come later this month. When that update hits, it will add book 2, with 2 chapters right from the get-go.
They didn’t fix the 5* Pool, but my goodness was this the best 18 minutes I’ve spent in a long time. This was amazing and Heroes looks set to have an amazing November. I can’t wait for the buffs, forging and Book 2! (Here’s hoping Sieglinde gets specialised upgrades too!)
And the quest for Lute… Ends with Hinoka. At least I finally have access to hone fliers.
Luckily we have an upcoming TT to help build orbs, eh?
My thoughts exactly. Hopefully we’ll get a mini as well eventually.
I went ahead and spent 110 orbs for Lute, but instead I got the +spd/-def Tiltyu I wanted from the last banner, so I’m not entirely disappointed.
By the time the next banner rolls out, I may actually have over 300 F2P orbs built up. I may just get lucky enough to take my +2 Ike to +10! And now everyone who waited for Ayra will be rewarded for their patience. I was very pleased with this Feh channel.
Damn, 300? Do you ever spend? Haha.
I indeed wish I’d have waited for her. Unfortunately I don’t have that aforementioned patience, so I ended up with two Eldigan instead. : If I’m lucky I may just get one copy of her at least.
Hope you’ll get your Ike merges. I have one sitting at level 1 that I’d gladly trade away, lol.
I got 3 Eldigan… one from each round that I summoned from. Then I gave up.
Correct!
No Lute, but did somehow get four Gwendolyns in 10 blue orbs, which follows nicely from the six Virions I pulled on 12 colorless before that…starting to think all 4* aren’t created equally…
Dorcas is definitely worth it basically an infantry Hector I’m surprised!
Pulled a free Dorcas, was prepared to drop 50 orbs initially for that Infantry Pulse fodder but was very lucky! -Atk , so perfect fodder. Best of luck for everyone else! Love to see all these old characters get some love!
After spending many orbs I had saved in Ayra … Mia appears (I wanted her much more)
Now I’m in a dilemma if I buy orbs or not (kkkkk)
Holy cow, this is insane! Finally getting Joshua, for free no less(let’s be real, Tempest Trials heroes are practically free), a fancy new lance user, also for free, a way for me to make Our Boi’s™ Binding Blade actually useful, a Legendary Summoning event to allow me another shot at Cordelia, Spring Camilla, and…WAIT IS THAT SPRING XANDER?! NO! WHY?! GET HIM AWAY FROM ME! I DON’T NEED MORE SPRING XANDER HE’S USELESS!!!
…and being the ingrate I am, I’m still crying in the corner about the lack of the Eight Legends…
I got 2 Mia’s, a Tana, and a Sonya >.> I did want Mia the most and I did get a +atk -hp on one of them but I wanted a Dorcas for when they (hopefully) finally release Jill that way I would have the choice between weapon and A skill to give her counterattacks depending on which of hers is better
Unfortunately Dorcas cannot pass his Tomahawk, I have already tested this myself. I too am desperately anticipating Jill though! I have a Camilla just waiting to sacrifice her Brave Axe+ (not a fan of Camilla anyway though). Congrats on the Mias and Tana!
Of course it cant be passed on arrrrgh. Well I just got to hope Jill’s A isn’t that great then I guess. And with Dorcas getting the Tomahawk that means Jill is probably going to be a poleax, in my head it was one or the other since her Dad dropped the only 1 of 2 Tomahawks you can get in PoR and after Titania she would be most likely to have a poleax. As for Brave axe I would have to see her speed first if its too low I probably won’t personally but she is pretty speedy in PoR and in RD especially.
Loki-san itadakimasu ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I never thought that Loki is actually a girl, I was like “What?! Loki is a GIRL?! Holy crap!”.
I thought the same thing when I found out.
“The lady with the, ahem, rather noticeable assets” No, I know you’re talking about her boobs!
From the cutscene, I was thinking Loki was a spear user… but from the artwork she looks to be a staff user. But if Loki is a staff user, she will probably be very strong, with her exclusive staff having Wrathful Staff or something else.
I want to know what side Bruno will be in this war…
I’m calling it now Laevateinn and Sutr are daughter and father which I hope wouldn’t surprise me if Loki is his daughter as well!
… is it just me or does Feh sound like a character from Dangan Ronpa??
anyway though this is exciting, things are gonna get crazy with weapon forges. And Im glad about the expanded barracks. Im really glad this game isnt becoming pay to win, no fan favorites locked behind 200+ dollars and you dont even need to spend a dime on this game to begin with
Where is the fullart poster :____:
If we’re going off of strictly design, Laevateinn is top tier waifu material. I’m a huge sucker for characters with dark skin and light hair, probably why I was so drawn to Rinkah in Fates.
Also it seems Loki is most likely a lance unit, she is fighting against Sherena while Laevateinn, a sword user, fought against Alphonse. Also, Sutr looks to be an axe user which would round out the 3 main weapon types for the fire kingdom.
I really, really hope that these baddies become playable soon.
Wow Loki looks so awful, Im so fucking tired of female characters being given perverted designs and art. I guess she is a trickster or something like that so hey being almost naked is distracting to the enemy but good lord I think she’s the worst case of pervert pandering in this game series and thats saying A LOT. At least the other two girls look good, even if missing pants -_-
You know, I completely agree with you. Even Fjorm has that ridiculous short skirt. At least Laevateinn has shorts, or some kind of one piece thing. I can actually buy, relatively speaking, that she could fight in that. That’s the thing for me, I don’t need the women to be in full armor like the men, though frankly I prefer it, but there should at least be the pretense that they are actually fighting in their outfits.
So what? don’t judge how people dress likely jelly cry me a river…..
…You do realize you’re not actually making yourself look any more mature than them, right?
Just agree to disagree, there’s no need to go getting after them for having a different opinion, even if they may have worded it poorly. Nick does actually have a point, there is quite an awful lot of pandering for a strategy game, and while it doesn’t bother everyone it does bother some people for various reasons – how am I supposed to recommend this to people I know who are younger players, for example? They don’t need to see someone with less of a top than Camilla(good heavens, I never thought I’d see such a character in Fire Emblem) and please don’t just say ‘well don’t play the game then’ because that’s missing the point.
“Agree to Disagree” doesn’t exist in toxic fandoms. It’s always “I’m right and they’re wrong.”
That mentality’s why comments like MetalGear Lamia’s exist. Some people just feel threatened when something they like get’s bashed by someone else, and feel like they need to aggressively defend it. Poorly in this case.
Wrong Loki look sexy it not harm and one something
>Person gets criticized for being immature while defending something
>New account comes out of nowhere to defend thing being criticized
>Newly created Disqus account
>”Joined November 16 2017″
>Only activity is a single comment
>That comment is the one just created
Oh wow you totally aren’t a sock-puppet account at all. This is usual levels of pathetic but I’m still shocked.
…I’m not sure I understand your statement. Saying a ‘sexy’ character does not harm anyone is almost pure speculation. It harms my reputation to recommend a game with a character like Loki to anyone under the age of at least 16, I’d say under 18 to be safe because people then think I think that it’s ok for game devs to throw characters like that around. There’s a reason I don’t loudly proclaim my appreciation of games like GoddessKiss or Conception 2, and that’s because the image of myself that people see when I say I enjoy those games is often that I am someone who plays games for ‘plot’ not actual plot or gameplay value.
Good Lord. Using the dreaded “Elitist” buzzword in your other response was already bad enough but if you’re reaction to other people’s opinions is to go “oh boo hoo other people like it stop complaining” then you probably don’t know how to handle other people’s opinions yourself.
Look I get it, the booby lady makes you feel all weird down there, it’s part of growing up. The thing is though not everyone is going to be on board with this, whether it be because the sultry “fanservice” archetype bugs them or because character designs with lots of sex appeal don’t do anything form them or feels forced to them.
Either way reacting to an opposing opinion with “ur just a crybaby who can’t handle what other people like” is childish and hypocritical, behavior like that is why the FE community is so toxic.
But sure, just be an asshole I guess. That works too.
Oh boohoo bet you are some elitist that can’t take that many and I mean MANY like this might as well find something else to like….
Nice unprovoked personal attack you’ve got there. Ironic that you should accuse someone of elitism while at the same time scoffing at them for having an opinion on something.
To the point, though, I do echo Nick’s sentiment. I’ve enjoyed Fire Emblem and RPG’s in general for long enough to be largely familiar with and used to these kinds of designs, where these are quite common. At the same time, I think, in terms of sexualization, that Loki’s design goes farther than it needed and should have gone. It’s so in-your-face that it’s just more bothersome to me than anything. Now, granted, SOMETIMES a character’s personality or backstory can justify such a design (i.e. Charlotte in Fates is a pretty good example of this, because the way she dresses is literally a means to an end), and perhaps we’ll see that kind of justification somewhere down the line, but as it stands right now, Loki’s design seems just unnecessary, and to me, that’s a bother.
This type of character archetype is extremely common in Fire Emblem as well as media in general, and I’ve no issue with it. *shrug* A sultry, female villain with revealing clothing who utilizes her appeal to obtain her goals–it’s an archetype as old as human civilization. It didn’t even begin with Camilla either, contrary to popular belief. I’d say Sonia from Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword is the earliest that this archetype was used, but I don’t remember anyone complaining about her. 😐
I think you’re being unfair, to be honest. One design, one case of pandering, and you’re up in arms.
Personally, I’m more unhappy about Surtr. He looks generic as all hell, with no depth in sight.
But hey, it’s a fantasy. We got teenage girls in skirts firing ice beams into fireballs. Enjoy.
That the archetype exists, in Fire Emblem or otherwise, is not really a defense of its merits. Furthermore, the difference between a character like Camilla and a character like Sonia (or consider Nuibaba vs. Sonya in Echoes) should be apparent. There is clearly more depth in the latter foils than the former. Sonia is actually a more clever subversion of the archetype because she’s not human. I feel it’s also disingenuous to say that he’s complaining about “one case” especially when you suggest that it’s a commonly used trope within the series.
But that aside, I share your concerns about Surtr and think they are just another side of the same coin. Generic evil big bad is yet another lazy archetype, and one that I think Fire Emblem has deftly avoided at times, and succumbed to at times.
Fire Emblem has traditionally not been the kind of game with girls in short skirts firing ice beams, and I think that will put off a number of fans who enjoy the series for different reasons. There is a large degree to which these preferences can coexist, but it’s true that there will always be tension between them. I get that people didn’t appreciate Nick’s word choice and general tone, but let’s not pretend that his position isn’t valid and reasonable.
Wait, Sonya wasn’t human? When was THAT established? I must have missed something.
Not Sonya, but Sonia. I know, slightly confusing, but the former is from Shadows of Valentia, and the latter is from Blazing Blade (or FE7, if you will). Sonia is not human, because she’s a morph.
Oh
Eh, it’s not necessarily ‘one case’ for all we know. We don’t know how often he’s had to see this kind of design used, and not necessarily just in Fire Emblem. I’m also a bit tired of seeing this kind of thing.
I would also like to point out that Sonia at least had a full shirt.
There’s sultry, sexy character art, and then there is grotesquely sexualised design that is physics-defying to the point of being repulsive. I find this simply to be bad design in terrible taste.
It’s a “sexy” archetype that gets attention, I’m no fan of the design either but since IntSys is concerned with raking in money (which is understandable) I see why they went with it.
Not gonna be surprised if her personality mirrors Camilla’s too. I know people like this sort of thing but I think it’s a tad unnecessary and forced too.
A lot of people like her design for many reasons, some been story/deisgn fitting the char design been loki it self (talking about Loki Duh), people are just not going to spam 3+ comments to rage how one char has made there feelings hurt. And looking at ur other comments I feel your only reason to hate this char is using school yard insults. Also funny you get upset over one char with big books, yet the two others look like Loli’s… Irony is strong mate!
Come now, let’s not be unfair. They have expressed in both their comments why people might not appreciate the archetype (unnecessary, forced, doesn’t resonate, etc.) that aren’t distilled down to “school yard insults”, though admittedly there were a few of those as well. Furthermore, maybe, I’m not understanding the “loli” archetype, but I’m not understanding how Fjorm and Laevateinn would qualify. It’s irrelevant regardless because no one in this thread had expressed any feelings for or against those characters (I don’t mind their design, but they still have to prove they aren’t boring). People are suspicious of Loki’s character design; that’s not cause to get bent out of shape at them
When some one says “Look I get it, the booby lady makes you feel all weird down there” I find that to be school level insults, I can understand people been suspicious of said design but going by the name Loki and remembering Norse lore, Loki is the kind of person to have a body they would be happy to use to gain power or things they want. Fitting the char well, if that’s not the chase here then yes there is room to be upset, but all we have seen is a video for 2 mins.
Rather then jumping the gun and going all rage on anyone liking it, maybe wait and see what this char has to offer.
To be clear, I acknowledge in each of my comments the types of inflammatory remarks you mention, and have refrained from making them myself.
Nevertheless, I still find the “wait and see” claim disingenuous. If that were true, it would prevent anyone from liking or disliking anything immediately, and the appropriate response to the initial comments would have been “I understand how it looks, but let’s wait and see. At least there’s some mythological precedent”. Of course, by and large, these are not the comments we’ve seen. No one has to qualify that their opinion is their opinion at some given moment and that it is subject to change when presented with additional information, or that their opinion is qualified by conditions that seem true but may not be; this is all implied when expressing an opinion. I might use Charlotte as an example: by all appearances, she absolutely fits the archetype in discussion, but initial impressions would not turn out to be accurate in her case, and I see little conflict or misunderstanding regarding interpretations of her character.
Thank you for clearing that up. It’s like people can’t be bothered to read the full comment anymore.
I went ahead and deleted my responses to Espiritu since they’re unnecessary now, I doubt they need this explained to them THREE times. Two should be plenty.
And just so you know I wasn’t “going all rage on anyone like it”. My response earlier was to a person going rage on people who didn’t like it, and calling them out for it. Poor, childish arguments like that and like THIS are why the community is so damn toxic, and you ignoring half of what I said in an attempt to just call me a rager is just more evidence of it.
Act your age.
Whether or not we wait and see what the character has to offer does not change the fact that it looks like she started getting dressed in the morning, decided screw it halfway through and just walked out the door with her clothes hanging off her – You can literally see at least 75% of her right buttock in her design sketch, and they only sort of covered it up with her little dress thing, and it looks like her top was supposed to have a zipper but she decided that was too much effort. If someone went around like that in everyday life, would we just shrug and say well, let’s wait and see what she has to offer? I don’t know about you guys, but I would be rather uncomfortable seeing that someone in your average grocery store.
Also, I am someone who commonly plays games with younger cousins around and watching, none of whom are older than 15(some going as young as 7 or 8) and all of whom have mothers and fathers who aren’t interested in their children being exposed to that any more than absolutely necessary. As the 20-year-old older, more mature cousin, I’d like my aunts and uncles to see me as a trustworthy person to watch their children, and if it comes out I recommended a game with such a character as Loki, hopefully you can see the issues my relatives would have with that. I have to look at games and shows through the lens of someone who spends lots of time around children, and consequently need to think of how their parents would react to walking in and finding their son or daughter playing said game or watching said show. Because of that, I can’t always afford to ‘wait and see’ especially with mobile games like Heroes, where I have no control over whether my cousins play and need to let my aunt know that her not-yet-teenage sons will undoubtedly run into Loki within the next month or two.
So me criticizing someone for being immature over people not liking a character with excessive fanservice is apparently me just “getting upset”. Okay.
Like Sisyphe explained I’ve already stated there are reasons why this kind of design has certain people displeased. Not “upset”, as you put it. Nobody is upset over this. The closest thing we have to an upset remark is the person I just addressed being all “shut up elitist lol” over people who aren’t on board with it, oh but of course we’re not even going to acknowledge that happened right?
My reason to hate this isn’t “schoolyard insults”, but the fact that it’s excessive and chances are her personality won’t even justify it like Charlotte’s did, I’ll be genuinely surprised if she isn’t a Camilla clone.
I won’t even question whether or not you actually READ the comment, the fact that people needed to explain this to you should solve that little mystery.
As much as I dislike the sexualized fem characters dressed in too revealing clothes and I agree that Loki might’ve got the worst and least logical outfit of them all, somehow she’s the one who captivated me the most of the new cast. Her expression in the cinematics is somehow speaking for her, just by that and her previous appearance in the game I hope she might be a sly, intelligent woman whose encounters will be very interesting. If I’m right, I’ll be able to ignore her terrible outfit. I will never be able to accept Camilla, for example, because her personality (and self expressing) is a disaster as well as her outfit.
On the Contrary, Fjorn seems incredibly dull, like an empty shell. I mean, empty expressions on a generic pretty face… I find her the most boring of the new cast.
Its funny but Japan see’s things like this and they don’t even bat an eye. Western audiences see this and all they do is bitch that another female character is showing some cleavage.
Its funny how backwards the West is. No one gives a crap when video games/movies/anime show some gruesome violent scenes but when a sexy woman shows a bit too much skin then thats a big NO!
Cultural differences. Certain games in Japan get their violence censored even if they’re rated M.
SMT4 Apoc is a good example.
There’s a whole lot of nuance in this thread that it seems like you chose not to engage with. We discussed the difference between characters like Loki and characters like Charlotte/Sonia/Sonya, we talked about design impressions and stereotypes for Sutr and Fjorm, one person made a point about how these games make people look and how they affect children (which we might charitable assume applies to gratuitous violence as well), there were comments on realism and the suspension of disbelief, and so on.
It is generally considered good faith to take the most charitable interpretation of a position you disagree with when commenting on it, and it does not look like this was done here. Instead, I see baffling claims about the West being backward relative to Japan, a unsubstantiated one about people’s feelings toward violence, and even a couple straw men (the aforementioned violence thing and the claim that it’s just about a character showing skin/cleavage, full stop).
This isn’t really an argument, rather it’s mostly people commiserating on their preferences, so given that, what did you expect to contribute with your comment?
For some reason… Sutr just reminds me of Demise from Skyward Sword and has some Ganondorf inspirations, too. That’s kind of how I see this new main antagonist. And I like him already.
Loki secretly being a tiddy lady is the greatest plot twist of this game
Fjorm has an amazing design, so well drawn too. I kinda wish now that the cutscenes were cinematic, instead of stylized.
In Norse mythology, Loki is a shapeshifter who appears as a woman on multiple occasions — notably, Loki is the mother of Sleipnir, Odin’s horse. I’m actually pretty pleased to see FEH’s Loki is presented as a woman since I don’t see a lot of media that touches on this aspect of him.
On one end, I feel somewhat surprised by this, but on the other hand, since she has so far spent most of her time disguised as Anna, that may have been to be expected, in hindsight.
A story of fire and ice what is this GoT shit xD
No, I thought everyone would recognize it – it’s Legends of CHIMA inspiration, clearly they were drawing off of CHIMA’s last season, where the good guys were fire and the bad guys ice, but they swapped them for Heroes to not arouse suspicion… XD
half naked women, no half naked men 0/10
Ok, both Takumi and Hinoka are desperate for attention. This is their 3rd banner in October and November.
Takumi +_+ Need.
Another Banner with Takumi and Hinoka…o…k…? Well, thanks for the free summon that turned out to be a wasted 3*. But at least the challenge gives free orbs, and it’s not a very difficult one at that, I managed Inferno on my 3rd try.
i get the feeling that they’re trying to foreshadow something
Free summon was a 3* Oboro that’s DEF+ ATK-. I won’t complain because I want to start using Oboro.
I got a 5 star as my free summon…..it was Rebecca though >.>
Yall need to cover the new FE Warriors patch. Adds a new map, damaged armor and a few QoL updates.
What has the fe fandom become. (sigh)
Out of curiosity, do you mind sharing some clarification for why you say that? Your statement looks a bit like you want someone to pick a fight with you if taken without any context.
To be honest, I’m not even part of the “fandom” (though I’m a huge fan of the series) and the impression that even I get is that the community was once very toxic, and that there is some lingering resentment.
My limited understanding is that the relative lack of success of Tellius that led to the pivot to Awakening brought in newer fans who have fought with older fans who don’t like what Awakening (doubled down in Fates) did to the series. Honestly, more than a little of that informs the tension about the art and outfits of the Heroes characters we’re seeing in this comment section. And the tension is fair, to be honest. The traditional players (whose views I largely skew toward) see a fight for the future of the series and each side’s preferences are somewhat mutually exclusive. The traditional fans were kind of mean and led the newer fans to respond with trolling, and here we are.
That’s basically what’s happening. I wouldn’t describe myself as a veteran since I also joined the series with Awakening but I’m well aware of what traditional players are worried about when it comes to the newer titles and I’ve seen the word “elitist” tossed around to deflect criticism far too many times. As if the people lording themselves over other fans for liking better selling games (as if better sales equal the better game) aren’t being the very definition of elitist themselves. The toxicity is still in the air, I’ve heard of people getting doxxed on twitter for just LIKING Camilla because “hurr she’s bad because boobs durr” and I’ve seen people completely dismiss any complaints about excessive fanservice and shit tier story telling with “It’s better because it sold more elitist stop complaining”.
You don’t see it here often (until MetalGear Lamia showed up) but it’s bad, ESPECIALLY in Youtube comments.
Though to be fair, that comment section is always a cesspool.
That is not really it hell radiant dawn went over like a bomb more that what was a community of mostly well reasoned SRPG fans got pulled full on into the waifu wars fast and hard and it not all bad but it was fast.
A toxic, disappointing mess. From what I’ve seen anyway.
The people here on SF seem pleasant though, MOST of the time.
yea we have been here awhile gives perspective
the SMT fandom is now becoming like FE now too with the whole divide thing
You Salty…
no just sad
I do like Fjorm and Laevateinn’s designs though, but I’m not a fan of Sutr.
Loki Camilla 2.0
Michalis skill for Tana, yes. Berkut for horse emblem (I’ve got 3 Hectors). Might skip the Fates children banner unless it has Soleil or any of the furries. A lot of orbs as well. Christmas is coming guys and gals!
So it looks like we won’t get Micaiah this year after all. That’s disappointing, but if the only new banner to look forward is the Fates kids, then I’m going to be rolling in orbs for the New Year
If children of fate includes Ophelia sold!
I’m hopeful that Children of Fates will have Shigure but maybe not since we just got an alternate of him in Performing Arts. Still that banner has the potential to be neat, I’m just a bit salty that I have to wait through more than half of December for Santa Robin. My poor Spring Chrom has been waiting long enough as it is.
finally.. my chance at getting berkut again has come… -sniff- I can’t believe it…
i just realized i can give water soul to ninian (def bane res boon). throw in lightning breath+, which will require promoting tiki. huh, the feathers…
Enduring Loves Voting Gauntlet…hmmm…suppose it’ll be the battle of the yanderes?
New Heroes…probably won’t have Velouria or Caeldori. Pass.
Fjorm. I need not say more.
Tempest Trials, featuring Joshua, that’s good.
Voting Gauntlet…”Enduring Love”? Why did I just feel a sudden chill, the kind where it feels like the entire fandom is breathing down your back?
Michalis returns, excellent, I need Iote’s Shield for Palla/Camilla and need a Michalis for himself as well. Berkut…meh. I already got him and his SI isn’t super.
Bound Hero Battle and “Dev say thanks!” maps. More Orbs to use on things, always welcome.
Everything else, I’ll never say no to! Looks like they plan to send the year out with a bang, and then we’ll have the 1-year anniversary soon after – should be really exciting!
I bet they are going to release the Christmas Banner later in December, just like the Halloween Banner in October.
probably the 19th after the Fates banner
Fates children would be interesting if I actually knew who they were. Awakening and Fates bored me to hell with that mandatory shipping aspect to get the characters, so I just never recruited them. Think Kinu was the only one I bothered with. Doesn’t look like I’m missing out on much anyway.
For anyone who doesn’t have a promoted Michalis yet, keep in mind, Hauteclere is gonna get the option to be upgraded with the coming update, so make sure to keep at least a copy of him around. Who knows how substantial the upgrade will be? It might be worthwhile…
And regardless, I think Michalis is a pretty solid unit overall to begin with. Not amazing, but good at what he does.
Okay, why is Brave Lyn a 20% Bonus Hero? She’s the winner of the female side of Choose Your Legends! This doesn’t make any sense!
Punishment for being OP?
Nah, that can’t be it.
ike is the boss of the TT. they had his image on the TT pic in the datamine
Could be random chance, or if there is some logic behind it, I would cautiously guess that it’s because when you combine the votes for PoR Ike and RD Ike in the CYL event, Ike got the most votes of all, even more than Lyn, and this is the devs recognizing that fact. But again, still just a guess.
And I assume, as this has been the trend for a while now, that they wanted to at least keep all the banner units as the 40% bonuses, and the TT reward unit as a 20% bonus, so one of the original CYL units had to be made into 40%, and they ultimately chose Ike.
And Ike is the winner of the male side of CYL. It doesn’t make any sense in why you’d assume Lyn should be the 40% or the fact that gender has any role in deciding the bonus unit. The reason why Ike is one of the 40% units is probably because he’s the boss of this TT.
See, this is another reason why I didn’t understand people freaking out Ayra. Pretty much everybody comes back around eventually. I really hope to complete this set, but with Lute, Elincia, and Delthea still in play, I probably only have the orbs for one of them
Finally a Tempest Trials where I actually have a fully-leveled copy of a Bonus Unit! Looking forward to this!
They’re starting to learn. Throwing out this banner before the upcoming Legendary Hero Summoning Event. They’re gonna suck every last orb they can.
Bear in mind that Brave Lyn also drops from the Legendary Hero Summoning Event! So if you decide to roll, I might recommend focus on getting Lucina, Ike, and/or Roy instead.
I have got the Japanese version, how would I change the subs/language to English? Is this possible?
Great! Close Def Seal is a amazing reward! And the Orbs from this Trial I will use in the Legendary Heroes Banner!
Sad they shafted Joshua to “mercenary who likes money a lot”. Ah, well some pretty sweet rewards this time around.
The irony of censoring a character who enjoys gambling in a gacha game…
Can you really call that censoring?
For what it’s worth, his actual character quotes, etc. outside of the Tempest story do indeed fall heavily on his gambling traits.
Yeah it’s pretty good, but I feel it still can give people the wrong impression of him. Like poor Arden.
Joshua is pretty solid so far his bio is very disappointing though…
LMAO XD Oh god, I love how all of these guys pretty much refused at first until Mia decided to go for it. Marth!Lucina must have been flabberghasted.
Lol that scene with Masked Lucina
Is the final map theme from something? It sound familiar, but I could be imagining things. Anyone?
FE9. It’s the BGM that plays before missions.
It’s Ike’s theme from FE9. It’s titled “His Father’s Son”, which is fitting considering the boss is Brave Ike wielding Urvan.
so orbs are Feh eggs. good god, we’ve been sacrificing owl chicks
mmm Eldigan and Lachesis are checking a poster in the second panel
The title for the manga should be “The owl’s feh” and not “Feh the owl”.
People joke “bait” every banner… But this is actually a bait banner, ’cause we know what’s coming next. Though I guess in that sense, at least they’re honest about it.
Still, this is not a bad banner in its own right. Wo Dao and Slaying Lance, Res Ploy and Wrath are all quite useful skills, and Nephenee and Sonya are both quite decent units as well. Karel… yeah, mostly fodder, I think…
Don’t really think this is a “bait” banner. None of the banners have been since like, dauntless Crimeans banner. Really all have had good units.
Isn’t that the definition of bait though? We KNOW a better banner is coming in a few days, but now we get the best chance we’ve ever had at Nephenee (blocked by Oscar last time) and Karel (his first time as the only red when he is also in the regular 5 star pool). Granted legendary heroes may not be for everyone, but it is clear IS is trying to give us bait/options to see if they can get more money. It’s a really smart move against the weaker-willed players.
Well, of course. A banner can’t bait very well if it’s all trash units, now can it?
I would not say “better.” It is the same percentage as hero fest, but without random 5 stars. You still are not guarenteed, let’s say a hector, because there are also 2 other units that share the same color.
That was meant for the comment below lol.
This is a good banner. I only do not have Sonya from the focus units. Nephenee is amazing, and Karel is… well… you know…. But sorry new banner, my orbs already have another destiny.
I already have the Karel and Nephenee, Sonya was the one I want, and I got all colorless orbs except for one blue
That was easy, I beat Infernal mode with my 5-Star Brave Lyn, my 5-Star Brave Ike, my 5-Star Camus, and my 4-Star Olivia.
The Sacred Stone cipher art still gorgeous! can’t wait for the inevitable Fjorm, Loki, Laevateinn and Sutr cipher art that’s gonna be amazing
That Chrom and Marth joined-art!
Looking at all these Cipher cards makes me want some of my own!
Here´s how they could have made this significant: give him DC
DC?
distant counter
Its a shame that his main weapon doesn’t give him distant counter. Alfonse actually works better as a Brave Sword user. And I wonder if Close/Distant Counter will ever be made as a Sacred Seal?
Some artists really stand out in good quality. Cheers to them!
Cheers to everyone for this inclusive and diverse project 😉
My dear Kleine and Sheema are completely butchered. rip
Hmm, Fjorm being an original character but also being in a banner makes me wonder if maybe similar upcoming banners will features Alfonse, Sharena or Anna.
That’s my thought. They teased she will appear in the end of December, so maybe will be a 4-heroes banner: Fjorm, Alfonse, Sharena and Anna?
Also, you can not send home the original characters… can this happen to Fjorm too?
Fjorm being able to obtain multiple of clearly means that they likely made her be able to be sent home or offered up in some way. And merged too. However, the original three aren’t the same way. Reason being is that they are coded to not be able to be offered up in anyway.
Maybe the free specific one is locked for obvious reasons.
Can they really make a single unit be safe while duplicates aren’t? Not sure if the code will work that way.
They can change it if it doesn’t support it. I expect the Fjorm you obtain from story mode won’t be able to be sent home, just like the original three.
Exactly
What are these 2 icon near Fjorm’s cute sprite?
We don’t know yet. Need to wait and see.
We’ll find out soon
Obviously it’s early, but it looks to me right now that Ice Mirror is going to be unnecessary. 30% isn’t a huge reduction, so I’m not sure if it will grant her additional kills, while she might need that 50% from Aegis to survive some encounters (almost certainly Reinhardt). Though, I’m not sure I fully understand how Ice Mirror triggers
it’s basically Sacred Cowl with a better version of Vengeance. 30% of the damage she takes against tomes, bows, daggers and staves is blocked and then, Fjorm adds the damage she took to the damage that she will deal. And I agree with you on Reinhardt, even more so when you consider that Lancebreaker is a common B skill for him.
It’s not just the damage she takes after the reduction, its all the damage she would have taken WITH the reduction added to her counterattack if it triggers. Let’s also not forget Shield Pulse reduces damage by 5 on top of having lower cooldown on shield specials.
so lets say Fjorm was gonna take 14 damage, Ice Mirror triggers and the damage is reduced by 4, plus the 5 from Shield Pulse. That’s 9 damage reduced, so Fjorm takes only 5 damage and adds those 9 damage to her next attack.
Granted, Reinhard probably still kills her unless you have Deflect Magic and buffs but Ice Mirror ain’t that bad me thinks
It’s not that it’s bad. It’s just that for me, Fjorm’s worth is pretty much based on which matchups I can call her in on in Arena Assault, and unfortunately for all involved, I see more Reinhardt and Brave Lyn than anybody else, so I look at new characters pretty much in terms of whether they can contribute to that matchup.
I think this would be true for normal arena as well, where it doesn’t seem like Fjorm will win any matchups we wouldn’t already expect (swords and red mages). I was thinking out loud that, with her RES, Shield Pulse, and Aegis, she might survive a few more units, but truthfully, I suspect it won’t make a difference. I could definitely be wrong about Ice Mirror though. The math for the counter damage is complicated to guess in advance
Finally a publisher that understands the importance of UTC
The problem I’m going to have with Fjorm personally is that that Lance is almost certainly a prf weapon, meaning I’m not going to be able to put it on a Unit I’m actually going to use. I mean, free powerful Unit is nice and all, but I’ve already got a Delthea tricked out to do just about everything I need a Blue Unit for, she’s only missing Close Counter and I have an extra Takumi on standby. Even my much-farther-behind alt. account has Cordelia, who is the only Unit I could let replace Delthea on my main account, so Fjorm’s not really helping me much unless I decide I’d like to start doing Arena Assault. Still hyped for the Summon Event anyways, I guess, though this is the first time I’ve hoped to only pull 4S Units from a color(Blue) – I need Cordelia for my main, and if she’s not coming as a 5S then I guess my fingers are crossed for only 4S Blue Units.
10% and nothing… FAKE NEWS!
for those of you that don’t know, staves in the weapon refinery can get either wrathful staff 3 or dazzling staff 3. be on the look-out for genny in the legendary heroes banner!
Both Genny and Bride Lyn can be amazing now, without you need to sacrifice one of them. Also, Absorb+ surprised me! “After combat, restores 7 HP to allies within 2 spaces of unit.” is a great skill.
you should see the legendary weapon and dragon buffs. broken!!! oh and daggers might be viable. jaffar is a monster. 10 poison strike, watersweep without attack count restriction against mages, 24 savage blow damage plus smoke effects. did i mention takumi teleporting everywhere on the map (he can pass terrains as well, plus escape route)
What do you mean about staves being able to get Wrathful Staff? Does that mean I can upgrade any staff to having a Wrathful Staff effect without needing to pull Genny and inherit?
Doing the weapon refinery quests to forge a better staff for my Genny
The Fates children are featured in Book II. Shiro, Rhajat, Siegbert, and Soleil.
And all 3 are good units.
Both Shiro and Siegbert have great weapons and a great skill set.
Soleil came with the Firesweep Sword, and a high base attak of 38 (neutral, Lv40)
Rhajat is, in my opinion, the weakest in this banner but this do not means she is a bad unit. I want her Keen Gronnwolf.
But I am a little surprised, because I was expecting Kana or Shigure…
Well a majority of people are now stating (including me) that they didn’t reach a 5 star until they poured around 90+ orbs. Taking away pity 5 stars really shot down the probability of pulling any SSR within the given color you chosen. Deny it if you want all because you pulled like 3 of this F’rs using like 50-some orbs, but that just makes you that special snowflake that didn’t get screwed by this banner. A majority of players have gotten 5 stars previously with A LOT less effort. I used all of my f2p orbs (around 85) to just end up with a freaking Fjorm….yes….lets put the free chick in the banner -_-, and spent around $30 more bucks while finishing all the chain battles to get nothing still (at that 10% baby~!) And yes….I’m pulling on all but colorless.
I do agree that this banner really screwed people over, from what I heard at least. I guess it goes to show that nothing is as good as it seems. In the future I’m probably going to skip the legendary heroes banner, unless they decide to tone down the units in the focus pool of the legendary banners to something like 6 or 4.
Also, I think this might have sounded like a good idea at first to IS, but if they are getting complaints from this banner then they’ll try something else for the next legendary heroes banner.
Im with you on this one. If something like this happens again, I’m staying the hell away from it. Or at the very least not participate unless there’s no free units in it *looking at you Fjorm* For my sanity I’m just going to step away from this banner and just focus on saving what little I can before the Kids come. Since I do want Shiro and Seigbert. 12 orbs from those paralogues + December quests. Watch, I get like 2 SSRs on it with only going into 40some orbs, like how it usually goes with me.
I don’t understand. This banner yields an 8% of pulling a 5*, vs. the usual 6%. How could this be worse? I’m genuinely asking
I don’t really understand either, but a lot of the summon simulations that I did and what others experienced resulted in no 5 stars.
Unless someone out there does the calculations, the consensus came up with the answer (that makes sense for the most part) that taking out the off-banner 5 stars severely limits the characters you can get as an SSR. This one you only have 3 of each color. Before, if you pulled like a Klein, Now, Tharja, etc, there would have been a slight chance to get a 5 star variant. But here, there’s 0% chance of pulling any other character as a 5 star. Plus with so many focus units in this banner, that 8% chance of actually pulling one of them on a single pull is spread out thinner than people think, since there’s 12 rate up Heroes instead of the usual 3/4. Because at this stage people would just be thankful to get any SSR after pouring so much into this banner without successful results.
I really wish there was a definitely explanation for summoning (or, if there is, that someone would point me to it). My understanding was that each orb offered a fixed rate, so you had an 8% chance on any given orb, and then the number of units was split from there (so it spins for a 5* and then for a unit). So normally it would be spin for focus 5*, other 5*, and so on, and then for a unit from there. So a focus with a single red unit for instance provided a 3* chance of pulling that unit for each red orb pulled. But I guess that’s not correct?
I feel bad that bad luck occured to you on this banner. 🙁 With 40 orbs I got 2 Ayras (one from the free summon) and 1 Brave Lyn, so I was lucky I suppose.
Hector with my free pull and bot all for the other 140 orbs… guess the joke is on me
Doubt this is any more rigged than the normal banners. Put 80 orbs in it and got Fjorm, Ike, Camilla and a third Jenny I’m never going to use. Two of them were in a single session.
Meanwhile in my area I’ve put in 80+ orbs and have only pulled a Spring Xander.
That sucks. It does feel as if the game somehow keeps track of your previous statistics in some way. My luck in this one feels like it has to do with my misfortunes in the latest banners.
Well got a Brave Lyn today, but like every other player I already had one from the free event
That’s something. Been wanting another one myself to give away swift sparrow, but no such luck as of yet.
300 F2P orbs for two Celica, and Ike (who was my target), and Spring Xander. Don’t snipe colors people, it really hurt my chances. Wish I had pulled a Hector but such is life.
I put like 30 orbs in and besides a bunch of junk got my goal Arya.
Not the worst / 10
Until now, I got Spring Xander, Bride Caeda, Ike and Ayra.
I didn’t have the first 3 units, so I am really happy, but I will continue my search for Celica… WHERE IS MY ZOFIAN PRINCESS?!
Welp, got Fjorm on my free pull, do I win the game now?
I’ve had a pretty good haul so far on the banner. Got Fjorm, unexpectedly (which I have merged now), a Bridelia (unfortunately -Spd, but with +Atk, she’s not a lost cause) and a Brave Lyn (with a better nature than my previous one). Right now, though… sitting on 10% pity. Ah well, between the TT’s (where I still have a fair bit to go) and at least the Fates kids banner still to come, this certainly won’t be how it ends.
Now, I’m fiercely debating what to do with these water blessings. ‘Cause I summoned Fjorm at random, I now have 2. I don’t know what kind of unit should get it, though, and it’s pretty high commitment right now.
Also sat on two blessings, so I just figured an already fast non-blue unit would appreciate it. So I gave it to Eine. Now she’s at 40 base speed+swift sparrow (unmerged) when paired with Fjorm, and they complement each other pretty well. Otherwise just look at her stats and find an unit you have that does what she can’t do. Which could be a physically tanky unit with preferably 35+ spd to begin with.
Pulled Ike, Hector (my 3rd) and S! Camilla…that’s 2 new and a DC to sack for someone. Trying right now to pull for Bridelia, Genny, Ayra, and maybe a better IV S! Camilla (the one I got was -Spd/+Res). Seasonal blessings atm seem inconsequential as they seem rare and overall don’t grant too much of a bonus and must be paired with the Legendary Hero anyways.
Fjorm doesn’t seem busted, but is definitely a solid unit with a base kit that fulfills a specific niche very effectively but can become better with certain skills (steady breath, distant defense, quick riposte, glacier). With the buffs to staves, I might now actually care about making a build of those characters…now they just need to do something about daggers.
did you see daggers in weapon refinery and jaffar’s new style?
Jaffar’s dagger is a legendary weapon, so naturally it’s refinery will include an upgrade, so unless the generic daggers get a universal buff like how staves can get the dazzling or wrathful effect, or breaths get a special upgrade, I don’t know how daggers are improved since I only have a 5* Kagero and H! Sakura, neither of which have weapons that can be refined.
smoke dagger got an insane buff
Seems they did, I didn’t notice since none of my 5* could upgrade, but it seems like weapon refinery is going to make some weapons like poison dagger even less useful…which didn’t make too much sense since poison dagger was easily countered by all the horse and armored units running around in the area, it never once gave me issues. Seems they might add more weapons to the list given time.
true. slieglinde and yato are most likely getting buffs
Agreed. I think the Binding Blade and Brynhildr will need one as well
Give Binding Blade DC, as it always should have been. Roy would actually become high tier, which would be hilarious.
Binding Blade does give defense buffs, so I can at least see what they were going for, but it gives such meager buffs in Heroes that’s its effectively worthless. Maybe they’ll give it distant counter and let it keep some buffs. Alternatively they could double down on TA and make it a buffed Ruby Sword. I don’t think it will improve Roy’s standing regardless though; his stat spread is just too balanced
Yay! More refining stones. Now, with theses extra refining stones, I will be able to refine Bride Lyn’s Candlelight+. I already refined Genny’s staff, but she is too slow. My Bride Lyn has a good 34 spd and she will be great with a Wrathful Candlelight+.and Dazzling Staff.
I really hope she’s in the next Legendary Hero Fest (and the rates get fixed).
When I got her in June, I was not too happy because I wanted Cordelia. But know, I more than happy.
Why are we getting November Quests in December? 😛
Typo, I guess
I’ll pass none of them I like I’ll wait for the inevitable Ophelia, Female Kana, Midori, Selkie and Velouria(when beasts gets added) getting in definitely later down for these 4 unless I accidentally get them.
In my opinion, we will see Male Kana first… Or at least both in the same banner. Because they always use Female Corrin to represent Fates’s Avatar. So… Female Avatar… Male child.
No they dont both are represented by faction like in the cover also screw Male Kana blech…..
I like that they are communicating the fact that Rhajat is on a seperate banner ahead of time, unlike what they did with Ayra. Appreciated. It seems we’ve been heard.
I am curious, though… we still have absolutely no signs of a potential GHB or TT unit. Any ideas that would fit with the Fates Kids theme? And for the GHB in particular, someone who’d make sense to actually get a GHB? I mean, giving Forrest a GHB, for instance, would just seem weird to me…
Are the GHBs usually thematic with the banner? I don’t remember. Honestly, I hope they don’t give us a Fates-related GHB, but they have plenty of options if they wanted to…Hans, Iago, Arete, Mikoto, Sumeragi, Scarlet, Flora, etc…I don’t believe you had to fight any of the children to recruit them. Of course, I’d prefer to see them go back to the Grado generals (Caellach, sword wyvern Glen, green mage Selena, or Duessel), or at least finish the Fangs and give us Linus.
I find that they usually are. Clarisse and Legion GHB’s happened alongside the New Mystery banner. Valter came right after the Sacred Stones banner. And most recently, Arvis’s GHB happened right after the Genealogy gen 1 banner happened. They’ve been pretty consistent about that ever since Legion’s GHB. So yes, it seems likely to me that we’d get a Fates-based GHB. If it can be tied into Fates-kids specifically, all the better, though that might be tricky.
On the note of the kids, the ones you had to fight as an enemy unit before recruiting them were Rhajat (who’s obviously disqualified for a GHB here), Percy and Nina. Not sure how strong their odds would be, but I’d say they’re possible.
Fair enough. I have to imagine they’ll break that trend here though, or else wait for the next banner. I agree Percy and Nina are possible, but I just don’t see it. I might have thought they’d give us Siegbert or Shiro that way, to reference Heir of Fates (or whatever the DLC was called), but I guess not
What I wouldn’t give for Glen…
Selena would also be really nice.
None of Fates’ enemies have been particularly memorable for me.
Well, I found the best enemies were the other lords, so there isn’t a GHB option there obviously. Otherwise, they were just boring or randomly evil or both. I’m not a big fan of Selena’s archetype, but if they made her a green tome, I’d be all for it
Yeah Grado Generals would be awesome. (Though I prefer source game reasons for weapons so not seeing wind mage Selena, her entire map is pretty much made for her bolting) Any preference for DuesseI? I lean heavily to Axe (mainly his starting weapons and Garm for reasoning) but I can see reasoning for lance and he’s far less obvious in general than Caellach. (Who was mentioned specifically as an axe man in heores right?) For related characters Riev is sadly light focused and I doubt Vidgarde would really bring anything to the table, Orson?
Selfishly, I just chose weapons that would be useful to me, hence green Selena. At least sword Glen and axe Duessel make sense. Green fits the least for Selena, I’d think. Caellach is definitely an axe. I don’t know if it’s mentioned in Heroes, but Joshua mentions that he’s always used one in Sacred Stones. My favorite character in Fire Emblem is Lyon, but he profiles as another slow red mage. As a green mage, of course, I’d be all for it. Runesword Orson could be fun, but we have a lot of sword cavaliers. I’m not too interested in Riev
Yeah I kinda figured on Selena, Reiv was just to finish out the gemstones (and general light magic mention I guess) For Caellach I think he was (most likely, it wasn’t by name) mentioned by Joshua as an Axe user (since Dorcas was in the same batch) he knew who died in one of the more recent Heroes events/quests. (Going off memory and it wasn’t by name so thought I’d check if you already knew the reference)
Now that you mention it, you are definitely right! Joshua does mention that specifically in the second catalogue for those heroes. I remembered the reference but not the full content
I’d personally want Ophelia in TT w/skills so bad…..
Definitely passing on this banner. We’re already buried in swords and lances. Also, Dark Greatsword? Would it have been too much to give him Siegfried, or are we playing Dark Souls now?
As for the gauntlet, I would have thought they would’ve learned their lesson about including Tharja again, but maybe they think Rhajat will split that vote a bit?
I think the issue with Siegbert getting Siegfried is that it would be strangely asymmetrical, given that his Hoshidan counterpart Shiro uses lances and thus can’t use the Raijinto.
Fair, I guess. Probably also that they wanted to introduce a swift sparrow sword and it would make Siegbert more distinguishable from Xander
Not sure if anyone else noticed, but there wasn’t a new paralogue for the kid units, just as I feared. So that means less orbs for us sadly. At least we know there’s a log-in bonus.
Not my favorite batch of art, Myrrh not withstanding. Are we sure Lyon is the one possessed here, because Eirika looks pretty gone. They didn’t really represent the Sacred Twins (particularly Sieglinde) very well either
Sigh another fucking Tharja/Rhajat trash banner and gauntlet… think I’ll pass not interested in Rhajat vs Tharja. They both lose in my book.
They’re on the same side of the bracket though, so that’s something. But it is cute that they’re trying to pretend Tharja and Rhajat are different characters
I know lol. At least give Rhajat a different hair color XD.
Gotta say, that first Tiki one is perfect.
Still predicting an easy win for Tharja, but willing to be surprised. As for me, Catria is a favorite of mine after SoV, but Katarina is probably also top 10, which leads me to my actual point: why is Katarina in this gauntlet? I’ve played New Mystery, so I have a few guesses, but she still doesn’t seem like the obvious fit the others are…
Did you recruit her? That should be a hint.
Yeah, not only do I always recruit her, I usually pump all my stat boosting items into her so I can use her, and I have gotten her A support. I’ve even played as both male and female Chris, though the point about him canonically being male is well taken. I thought that’s was what it was, but I figured I’d confirm because I have mixed feelings about that relationship and because I’ve only played the game translated
I tried using her a bit in hard but it was futile. Even more so in lunatic. The translation is fairly identical to the original too. But yeah, they don’t have a paired ending iirc, but to me it was quite clear that she liked him.
Man, a paired ending would have been so great. But no, there isn’t one. I wish they’d do more paired endings. It would allow them to keep the pairing aspect without being as ridiculous (like we could see more stuff like AmeliaxDuessel and JoshuaxGerik paired endings)
That’s also one of the reasons I hate how FE13 handled supports. They all felt slapped on and not genuine at all since everyone was capable of supporting everyone pretty much. Always did prefer when it wasn’t all over the place. Though not my favourite, Harken&Vaida is still as sad to this day..
On the one hand, I can appreciate wanting everyone to be able to talk to everyone, but of course this makes it difficult for the writers, and I by no means think that every support has to end romantically. Alternatively, one could say that not all people can form bonds with all people, so it’s fine to only have a handful of supports. Ultimately, I think quality matters most to me. I felt Echoes had mostly too few supports, because when they were good, they were really good, but even so not all of them did it for me. I also think I really appreciate paired endings, but again, they need not be romantic. You could assume that nothing terribly substantial came of Harken and Vaida’s conversation for instance (not that it wasn’t meaningful), because there wasn’t a paired ending for them in a game that used paired endings, so they serve that purpose as well.
You sure? I want to remember those two having a paired one (FE7) but I could be mistaken, it’s been years since I last replayed that particular game.
SoV had a good idea by making it map based again, and limiting the amount of conversations, making it feel a bit like the GBA games. However, nothing can top the GBA games in quality for me. It’s true that they weren’t all amazing, but it was a step up from FE13/14 for sure. You also have to keep in mind that the localization team also has a say in what goes through as well. That’s what broke the aforementioned games too. So some releases may be more akin to the intended experience, while others are changed. That’s also why FE12 base convos are great, because the translations are pretty damn literal to how it was originally.
You are right actually. They do. Shows what I remember…In fact there are a number from those games I don’t remember, apparently. I remember the supports in Path of Radiance particularly positively (I’m due to play that again), but in any case map based, and without a limit, is definitely preferable.
Yeah, she’s in love with Chris (MU), who’s canonically male. During their A support she even tries and fails to confess to him.
Yup. I ship her with Kris a lot. Also, she didn’t try to confess. She was practicing her confession.
Ah yeah, my mistake. And yeah, I don’t even ship much but I strongly approve of that coupling too! Kris is probably my favorite Avatar, for several reasons.
Robin is my favorite, but Kris is okay. Only wish he hadn’t hurt Marth’s character as much as he did.
Yeah that’s fair, at least FE 12 still gave Marth way more character than 11 ever did.
… No. FE11 is actually what gave Marth more character. Here’s a link to someone that summarized how well Marth was written in FE11.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/4fipdc/character_discussion_fe131112_marth/d296jyr/
Wow yeah haven’t read FE11 dialogue in a while, that was a good analysis. Tbh I thought Kris was fine ASIDE from the whole ending dialogue. It’s not like Medeus can be killed well without Marth in FE12 Lunatic, that’s for sure. Kris was very useful and a loyal knight, but Marth was the leader who won the war. And they take that away from him in the dialogue. So I get what you mean about FE 12 Marth now.
For me, Kris worked fine in regards to Katarina and the prologue more or less. But he really should not have had that much of a story role that it felt like Marth was depending so much on him.
Here’s the same guy that praised FE11 Marth ranting about Kris, and you’ll see the issue:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/3126f4/character_discussion_fe12_chris/cpxz3mu/
Out of curiosity, was this the same guy who also wrote about how Michalis should have stayed dead and his recruitment in FE12 destroyed his character? Granted, everyone does have an opinion, so it’s not my place to judge. I still enjoyed Kris, and at least found his/her overpowered strength to spring from a realistic source, strong family devotion and an entire lifetime spent preparing to serve their lord.
I have no idea. I was just looking online and saw those parts out of curiosity, and this made me appreciate Marth more, and realize how Kris does feel like he hurt other characters. Though Kris was a supporting character, he was treated way too special to make the player feel good about themselves.
I personally always try to judge the avatars as their own character rather than myself, which is something I can tell a lot of other veterans do too. Hopefully FE Switch decides to try to make the Avatar a customizable UNIT, rather than a customizable character (Kris and Robin having every class was a decent attempt at this, but Corrin was too biased towards a physical sword build because of Yato.) Give the player total dialogue input (like Mass Effect), or no input at all. That way they don’t keep ruining the somewhat decent ideas that each Avatar have been (yes, even Corrin would have been decent to me then). Just my opinion though.
I personally feel Robin was the best Avatar to me. And Corrin’s issue is that they focused even harder on making him feel special, making him dragon, legendary sword user, ultimate hero, etc. His character is one of the many flaws of Fates’ story.
Yeah Corrin didn’t work well at all. Personally, if they had given us even some “memory scenes” of Robin’s past, even delved into his tactical studies under Validar, etc., Robin would be my favorite too. But they just….left so much out at the end of Awakening to hasten the plot towards the end. Robin could have been so much more, but they used the amnesia for too long and took away a backstory that would have been very interesting.
I have fanfic for Robin’s past, or currently his mother’s past. But Robin was actually taken by his mother when he was still an infant, so he never learned anything from Validar.
And there’s a reason why you felt Robin was lacking. Because Awakening was something that was rushed. Three arcs that could very well have been their own games ended up being a single game, especially a game that was intended to be a mass Fire Emblem reference game.
So the real question is…. how the heck did Robin learn magic, tactics, and swordplay without a SINGLE notable or mentioned teacher? His mother maybe? Even Corrin’s swordplay came from somewhere, because Xander trained them whenever possible.
I have an idea of a fanfic on how Robin learned all the things taht he did.
lol, here I try to be as ambiguous as possible with it and you just went out and said it. well, whatever, since he ended up having recruited her anyway it doesn’t really matter.
Yeah, subtlety was never one of my strong suits lol.
I’m gonna go with Sigurd.
Yeah I think Catria and Katarina are going to get routed regardless, so it doesn’t really matter who I pick
I like Katarina too, and she’d have been my second choice, because of how I liked her story in New Mystery. Sigurd gets my vote cause he’s my best sword unit due to his tankiness to both physical and magical attacks, while still hitting hard as well. He’s helped me so much that I have to stick with him.
Pulled the one green orb on the Dorcas banner and got… Hector. My first one too. That was lucky!
Went for the green to try and get Rhajat, and got… Julia. Finally got that girl.
Tharja is a usual contender for winning with her popularity, Sigurd has a chance on the basis of being such an OP unit, and Dorcas has meme power. The others don’t really stand a chance without the losing modifier. People generally hate Faye, Rhajat was added in instead of Ophelia, so a lot of people are butt-hurt about that, Priscilla is a healer, and Catria and Katarina are from the games no one played.
I played Shadow Dragon. Not the original, but the remake, and the Whitewings are also in Gaiden/SoV. Catria’s the only one on here I would even vote for anyways, though really Palla should have also been on here.
I’d like to think most of the community played SoV and a New Mystery (I hope very few of them have played Shadow Dragon…). Catria and the rest of the Whitewings jumped pretty much into my top 10 favorite FE characters after SoV, though I vastly prefer her art there to here. Same with the other two actually. I think Palla and Est are great, but I don’t love their art in Heroes either. I agree that I prefer Palla’s case for “enduring love” to Catria’s. But regardless, Tharja will probably win
Most of the hard core FE community has, but we’re a small minority when it comes to those who play FE games, but we’re probably also not proportionately as small in the FE Heroes player base to the newer or more casual players so predictions on who’ll win are not as simple as determining who’s the most popular.
Either way, I mainly find it odd that Priscilla was included in the voting Gauntlet, since everyone else falls under romantic feelings for their ‘enduring love’ while Priscilla’s wasn’t that way with Raven (at least that’s the impression I got from the English ver, maybe it’s different in Japanese). Though at the same time I still find some of the choices odd in that they seemed more like crushes than cases for ‘enduring love.’ Dorcas and Sigurd are obvious as it refers to their spouses, Tharja and Rhajat are obsessed with the Avatars, and Faye is the Tharja of Echoes. But after that it seems like IntSys ran out of ideas for cases of ‘enduring love,’ didn’t want to stick Camilla or Cordelia in, and went with the next closest thing. But then why not someone like Nino or Jaffar?
Catria is a fair choice in that her unrequited love for Marth is pretty well documented, by which I mean, we’re told it’s a thing without any explanation or justification. But she seems like a weird choice because unlike Tharja or Faye, they actually made Catria a complete character in addition to her thing for March. There was an incest thing implied in Priscilla’s affection for Raven, though I suppose the gauntlet could merely mean any kind of love (in which case there would be far better options than who they chose). I’ve already mentioned elsewhere that something about Katarina’s selection was a little off to me, perhaps because her affection for Chris was underdeveloped. Jaffar would have been a great choice honestly, and off the top of my head, Titania would arguably make more sense too. I’m sure there are plenty of others
Well… Shanna won the last one. Anything can happen!
Oh great, it’s the Battle of the Stalkers, including Tharja, the winner of the Battle of the Mages, Priscilla, the runner-up of The War of the Clerics, and Katarina, the girl who lost in the first round of Short-Haired Ladies vs. Long-Haired Gents. I hope this Voting Gauntlet is not as rigged as that last one, I lost 3 matches in a row for crying out loud!
While we’re here, can I point out they’re pulling the exact same stunt with Rhajat that they did with Ayra, or does the fact that Rhajat’s nowhere near as powercreepy as Ayra mean I’m not allowed to complain this time?
Well, in their defence, I think they at least learned their lesson a little bit. They featured her in the video this time, which they didn’t with Ayra (they just ignored the fact that we could see her sprite), and they also announced that Rahajat would be appearing on a separate banner, which they also didn’t do last time. She’s also appearing -before- the main banner rather than after, which isn’t quite as bad because there’s now no excuse of ‘I used my orbs on the main banner and then they dropped an extra ‘secret’ character after we used all of our orbs’.
Is it still a pretty shady thing to do? Yes. Do I wish they would stop doing that, especailly since there’s plenty of precedent for a four-person banner rather than 3? Also yes. But I think they at least learned -a- lesson, if not not -the- lesson: i.e., that they shouldn’t do this. (At the very least, putting maybe Soleil rather than Rahajat on the separate banner would have given one of each colour for the main banner, which would have been nice rather than competing Reds, a blue, and no greens, which is what we now get)
However if they had switched than you’d have Soleil and Tharja competing for reds on the same banner and honestly that was one of the bigger problems with Ayra since she was alongside Eldigan. This way its at least Rhajat is the only green focus summon. Is it going to stink if your trying to pull Soleil and you get Siegbert instead (or visa versa) sure but at least they are new characters all around. As you said doesn’t completely solve the problem but it seems they have learned a lesson. Also this was probably only me but each circle had at least 1 green, usually more though.
Hmm…a fair point re: subbing out Rahajat vs. Soleil and the other problems that would then cause. I guess this is the best we can hope for at this point since it seems this is IS’s way of saying ‘we are still going to do this, but at least we’ll give you some warning when we do’.
(PS- yes, my fears of getting Soleil when hoping for Siegbert were warranted, as that’s exactly what happened to me today. But I got her after only three orbs, she’s +SPD/-RES, and I still have plenty of time to try again for the two princes, so I shouldn’t really complain too much!)
Yeah I got Soleil after like 50 as she was my focus nothing against Siegbert or Shiro just preferred her character over them in fates, also gives me a decent person to give my spare Brave Sword+ to. Wish I had gotten your build though, mine was +ATK/-RES so still a very nice build just maybe not the best for Brave Sword
No Paralogue? That’s bad…
I’ll say, I’m entirely out of orbs from the Legendary Heroes banner.
Me too. i only have some orbs I got from daily log-in bonus and from Tempest Trial.
That’s because the CHildren of fate were already used in Chapter 2.
@Kirie
Where are you getting these banner assets from? I can’t find them anywhere
I just screencap them from the Notifications Page and then use Photoshop to remove the background. It’s not super clean, but it gets the job done and still looks a bit better than the stark white border.
@disqus_zupKCQtYgi:disqus Ah I see. Was this screencapped from a tablet though? I don’t think I can get this high of a quality from my phone.
Just from my phone. All of my screencaps end up being a pretty high quality.
I am testing my team for this Arena season. I will use: Brave Lyn, Bride Lyn, Ayra and PA! Azura.
Managed to get Siegbert as my free summon. Never been that lucky before.
Also, gotta say that I don’t really care for these characters in their respective games.. but their art in this one is stellar and is definitely making me like them.
I think Azura’s “mysterious” dancer outfit can be her promoted outfit, because Songstress class cannot be promoted in Fates. Oboro can have the Spear Master outfil and Niles can have the Adventurer outfit.
My only hopes are Azura and Oboro do not be clone characters.
If you see the Famitsu scan Azura has her own moveset involving water control.
The Famitsu scan is not in a very good quality, but that image can be her special attack. Special attacks and Awakening attacks are the only exclusive attack to each character characters with the same moveset.
Azura and Oboro will be the only playable Infantry Lance Units. Regardless of whether or not they have a repeat of the generic Spear Master moveset, they’ll still at least be unique compared to the rest of the cast. I do want the two of them to be different as well, though, particularly as Azura’s what this entire DLC set hinges on for me – if she’s unique enough, I’ll go for the Season Pass. If she’s just a second Oboro, I’ll probably skip this and the Awakening one and just go get Minerva.
For me, both Azura and OIivia need to be different from the rest because they are songstress and dancer… They have something special to add to their fighting styles.
Yeah, that’s why the Season Pass hinges on Azura for me – if she has a unique moveset, it’s very likely Olivia will too.
Azura is the only Unit in the Fates set that interests me, so she needs to be really special to make up for the fact that I will have to also put up with more Niles.
Olivia I can give a little more slack because Owain just about balances out the fact that I’m sending them the message that people will pay for Tharja, which is what they’ll probably choose to see in the popularity of the Awakening pack, and I already decided Navarre and Minerva will be worth the investment, with Linde being just a bonus Tome Unit.
Marth and Tiki cannot promote either, and Frederick, Ryoma, Xander, Leo and Camilla are all prepromotes, but they have new promoted costumes anyways, since that’s the gameplay mechanic.
I’m sure that the Mysterious Dancer is just a regular alternate costume.
Yes. I see you point. So I look forward to see Azura’s promoted outfit. I already like her normal outfit.
Yessssssss!!! FINALLY. I feel like I’ve been waiting forEVER for Azura information. Can’t believe she has her Performing Arts/Conquest look too. Legit awesome. She’s one of my very favorite FE characters. Still a little butthurt/surprised she didn’t make the main roster.
Also love that it looks like Camilla somehow gains MORE clothing when her armor falls off. Lol.
Not really its just leftover of outfit
Honestly, having to pay extra for Azura was probably the thing that tipped me against getting this game. She was really the only one I really wanted from the originally expected cast
Azura waifu yesss finally plus that maid outfit pure win!!!
Wow! Even the developers think that the game sucked in terms of story. At least they’re aiming to improve it.
That’s good at least they acknowledge it
They acknowledged that Awakening had plot holes too, though. They even said it was rather unsatisfying for them, and wanted to do better. And yet the next story was Fates lol.
Not really it was fine that’s them No one complain that much Fates was the only real problem
This is true, just found it ironic that we have heard this same thing from them before.
That’s not really true at all. Blazing Sword, Sacred Stones, and Tellius (Path of Radiance until Part 4 of Radiant Dawn) all had at least memorable stories, and I understand Geneology and Thracia are well-regarded as well. While it would be hopeless to expect Final Fantasy Tactics from them, I think they ought to be held to a higher standard than Awakening, Fates, Heroes, Warriors (Echoes was fine. Not brilliant, but not bad by any stretch). To be clear, Awakening was, in my opinion, a great game with a lot of merits, but the overall plot was not one of them, and its plot was probably worse than Fates in that it would be much harder to fix.
Don’t get me wrong, I love most of FE stories as well! Geneology and Tellius in particular are some favorites of mine. But as you said, they aren’t FF Tactics, that’s for sure.
They deserve it, really. Games of this type are pretty terrible as a model, and Heroes has its problems, but they’ve done a pretty good job and put a reasonable amount of effort into their product. I do not expect it to last through 2018 however, if it is the case that their success is propelled in significant part by the Fire Emblem fanbase. They’ll run of characters for people to get excited about, and the power creep will ruin the Fire Emblem aspect of it too. After all, I’m a little rubbed the wrong way a little bit by seeing Dorcas keep pace with Hector, Soleil overwhelm Marth and Roy, and Mia render Ike mostly unnecessary. Knowing that the next random character they add will be infinitely better than the one I just worked really hard to get has lessened my enthusiasm, and it’s still a little boring that there’s so many different resources and we have to rely on the developers to give them to us. I think they should be pleased though. They made a lot of money and entertained a lot of people for about a year
Ike is still a big contender, his weapon and skillset are much better even if Mia is given Distant Counter she has to waste a slot where its just natural to Ike among other things.
So long as there are characters to be used, reused, and so on, they can keep the app running for a long time. This app has been a goldmine for them after all. And with the FE Switch coming out next year, we’ll get those characters soon as well.
Or they make a sequel and can transfer past heroes when servers go down but that’s eventually in the future.
You dont expect it to last through 2018? Lol youre joking right? Theres random gacha games that have been going for 5+ years that are infinitely less popular than this one. FEH is positioned to last well into 2020 if not longer.
Mia and Ike play different roles: Ike works better as a defensive, enemy phase character (you can even consider a -spd bane as good for him, since quick riposte is almost a must) while Mia and Ayra are all-out player phase offensive characters. They depend a lot on their team composition to stay alive and get out of punishment range, while Ike can act as a wall or go nuts and attack from time to time. I think a lot of the player base doesn’t care too much about the power creep problem (at least for now) since they gave us a Lyn uh… brave hero for free and more important, lots of fans just enjoy playing the characters they like. The game is relatively easy anyway- I don’t have a Reinhardt or Mia or Ayra or Dorcas or any of the “hot” new characters, and still I’m rank 20 as a F2P
I really hope they give us Veronica at some point…
From the villans, I believe Bruno will be the first to become a playable unit. And then, Veronica will be the second.
That is way too adorable.
As for the gauntlet, I really hope it doesn’t go to one of the stalkers…
The stalkers are winning.
That gorgeous Micaiah art is awesome I hope we’ll soon get cipher art for the new Heroes characters I want them so bad!
ONWARD, CATRIA! TODAY WE SHOW THEM SHANNA’S NOT THE ONLY PEGASUS KNIGHT NOT TO BE TRIFLED WITH!!!
Just to nitpick, Kirie, the title says Manga Part 3 when it’s part 4.
Kirie, I don’t wanna sound like I just read your stuff to nitpick, but Volke actually already has a Cost 2 from Set 3, meaning this isn’t his debut.
Man, how did I forget about that?! Thanks! I’ll update it now.
You’re good, it’s a somewhat obscure card.
Also, you wouldn’t happen to recognize the dragons in the background of the Tiki/Nowi art, would you? I see what looks like both Kanas, Fae, possibly a second Tiki, Ena, Ninian, and Nah, but I don’t recognize the two in the back. The one in Nowi’s half looks like either Mila or Nagi, I’m calling it as Nagi, and unless Duma wears a red cloak I have no idea who the guy on Tiki’s half is. Thoughts?
Red cloak’s gotta be Bantu, and I agree that the one in Nowi’s is probably Mila or Nagi, and I’d guess Nagi of the two based on the purple outfit if nothing else.
Onward Tharja! Show them the power of being from the newer games and earn daddy some feathers.
If you look well you can see Broken Armour Ryouma in the Camilla Image
It’s kinda funny that Camilla’s broken armor just looks like her normal armor, minus the actual armor. Then Elise and Sakura’s look kinda like pajamas, makes sense that they wouldn’t get too sexual with theirs due to their age. I wonder if they’ll turn these broken armor looks into costume alts, I really like the idea of having Ryoma wreck shop in a loincloth. The timing to the DLC is perfect with my last final being on the 22nd, I’ll have lots of time to enjoy it.
In my opinion, the broken armor will be a alt. outfit, but also the outfit will be activated when the broken armor skill trigger. It will be like the promoted outfit. Your unit is a promoted class, but you do not need to use his/her promoted outfit.
I’d like it to be like that, but at the moment, the banana twins don’t have there broken armor looks at alt. outfits, so I just hope the devs decide to make that change.
Wait wait, Azura’s “Sing” ability got included in the game after all?! Did NOT expect that! I wonder how one would activate it, though; I’m guessing the same way as the healers would use a staff. And if rumors are true, I guess we would expect Olivia to have a “Dance” ability as well.
Regardless, I’m so happy my beloved songstress is finally in the game! YAHOO, just in time for Christmas!
I’m almost thinking that’s what got Olivia into the game. I’m stoked about it, as I’ve always really liked the character, but there’s plenty of other Awakening characters that I probably would’ve expected first. They probably didn’t want the mechanic for just one character and Shadow Dragon doesn’t have a dancer.
I hope Azura’s promotion is based on Arete’s design and called Vallite Noble or something of that nature.
So all three are going to be somewhat unique…
Alright, IS, I’ll trust you on this with that Season Pass, but you better not let me down – the rage of a RoyBoy is not something one wishes to have to deal with.
My luck was pretty okay. 60 orbs for neutral Lyn and def- res+ Ephraim. I’ve spent 150 on banners with the same percentage and got nothing from them. In other words, it went really well this time.
Got a Linde from my free pull. 2nd one….but its +hp -ATK. I look over at my current Linde: +hp -spd……why game….why?!?! Decided to merge my original with the new one. Id rather sacrifice 3 ATK points if it meant getting her neutral Spd at 36 (37 now thanks to the merge)
damn. that’s like my bridelia with +hp -atk and +def -atk. i hope she shines with blarblade
So all the PRF weapons are going to be sub-optimal now. Joyous.
Supposedly there are lines in the notes suggesting we get to upgrade them. Again.
and how?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/340772478081302529/389151891545653249/l_5a2a5557f070a.png a new upgrade to PRFs
So many gifts this morning, nice.
Yes, 27 more Orbs to collect! This is an early Christmas miracle!
Saving up these orbs for that Christmas banner.
Me too.
i was a bit spent after the refinery upgrade banner (got what i sniped for tough: ephraim and lyn in 50 orbs). i breathed a sigh of relief with these orbs
got a k-pop star
So just to make sure I’ve understood things correctly, this update isn’t available now, but will be available on December 21 when the Fates DLC pack is set to launch?
Yes
S Rank made easier? Thanks…I guess? I haven’t had issues with that yet, so I don’t know that it needed the help. Being able to restore a Fort Captain’s HP will be nice, though.
Do we know how long those Orbs and additions are going to be available? I split two accounts between one iPod and change once a week, so I’d love to know if I need to be taking care of both accounts within today.
It seems most gifts don’t have a time limit. Except for redeeming Nintendo Rewards, which I believe are set at 30 days from when you redeem tell Nintendo to send you the gift, the others don’t indicate a time limit like quest rewards (which are obviously only available until when the quests go away). I still have the Narcian they sent out as a Twitter reward sitting there unclaimed, for example (my barracks were full at the time) and it doesn’t seem to be an issue!
You can see the expiry for various gifts in the Notifications Screen. The apology items need to be picked up by 22 December and the Google Play rewards need to be picked up 8 January.
I’m actually having a lot of trouble getting my Berkut and Sharena to kill GHB Berkut. Might just pass on those…
If you go on Arena Assault with either a level 40 Berkut or Sharena you should be able to find a bunch of weaponless Berkuts there. Plus it doesn’t cost anything.
Thanks for the tip! I didn’t find any weaponless ones, but after a while, I was able to kill a couple regular ones through Arena Assault, so it worked out
I thought Sigurd had the win for the last few hours since the pattern was going to place him as having the bonus multiplier for the final hour, but Tharja managed to force it off of him into the “Same Score” status for the last 2 hours, and since her side had the most supporters, she won in the end.
Free orbs and challenges always appreciated, but I wonder when the next banner will show up. The schedule for December showed things to be a bit front loaded, but rather barren for the rest of the month with all that remains being the Amelia & Tana Bound Hero Battle and the Winter Log-In Bonus. There’s gotta be more.
Yeah, we’ll very likely get a new banner and some other stuff next week. It may not have been finalized by the time the calendar was released.
There’s definitely a new banner coming next Monday, probably winter, or Christmas, or holiday, or whatever when the kids one ends. There will probably be some extra ones as well and maybe a GHB if we’re lucky. They also hinted there might be something special at the end of the month as well
All I can say is to wait until Thursday/Friday
Yeah, when they released Fjorm, the announcement suggested that there would be another Legendary Heroes-type event at the end of December, so at least we’ve got that. Considering we also don’t really go more than a week between the usual (more or less) back-to-back Tempest Trials and Voting Gauntlet, I’d say we’d also likely be in store for another TT towards the end of the month, too (heck, maybe they’ll even be connected). Since we’re going on two months since the last -new- GHB (Arvis was 18 Oct), I’m personally hoping we’ll get another one of those before the month ends too, even if there’s been no hint of it so far. (And of course, whatever seasonal banner we’ll get is a given too, considering the Kids banner ends next week).
About the Amelia & Tana Bound Hero Battle, I can easily see Innes in the banner. They always do a 3 heroes banner in the Bound Hero banners, so… Amelia, Tana and Innes will probably be the heroes of this banner. I do not have any of these units, so I will try to get at least one of them. Since this bound heroes is going until December 23rd, I will wait the next new heroes banner before try the bound heroes banner.
How disappointing. Sigurd is my favorite FE character and Tharja’s already won before.
…At least I like Tharja more than I do Rhajat, but not as much as the other characters, though.
Man, I wish I had the game so I could actually partake in this stuff 😛
I thought it was funny that Rhajat’s debut in Heroes was part of this voting gauntlet and she lost in the first round, haha.
This was such a lame voting gauntlet, Tharja can have it.
Here we go again
How dare you Narcian! Feh must remain as Feh!
Thanks Narcian, glad to see you’re looking out for us all.
…while you’re at it, how DOES your hair stay like that? The ladies are probably all over it.
Okay … the person on the right is not Robin, that’s for sure. The left person’s hair, can her be Lissa? And the person in the right can be Marth.
This Bound Hero Battle was… easy. I used Brave Lyn, Bride Lyn, Shiro and Siegbert.
I am happy for the Fire Emblem Warriors maps, but no new quests? Even for the BHB? That’s sad.
Definitely Lissa on the left. …”Marth” on the right? Could be Chrom
I choose Marth because some of the special banners have 4 units, 2 of each game. But, if Robin and Tharja appear in the banner too, the right one can be Chrom.
The two characters appear to have Santa hats, and Lissa definitely seems like someone who would wear a Santa hat. The shape of the right person’s hair sort of resembles “Marth”.
I’m thinking Robin and Tharja would also make an appearance since it doesn’t make sense for IS to scrap designs that were already available.
Oh I see it, yeah the more angular looking thing on the left side of their head probably is a santa hat. Nevermind, I doubt it’s Lucina/”Marth” or even Chrom. It could be real Marth though..
What designs?
Dataminers found Robin and Tharja Christmas designs shortly after the game was launched. The game was originally slated for launch late 2016 it seems.
http://nintendoeverything.com/fire-emblem-heroes-data-miners-find-christmas-themed-images-of-tharja-and-robin/
I’m thinking Lissa and Chrom, since, well, the resemblance is there, but also they’ve more or less only used the 3DS games for the seasonal banners. Robin-M and Tharja would make sense then, to round out the group. Either way, I bet I’ll pass
Some people have speculated that the left could be Peri, and while I’d be fine with that, I’m almost certain that it’s Lissa after comparing hers and Peri’s hair with this.
NUNSWITHAXES
I figured that with 90 orbs I’d be able to get another Tana merge. How wrong I was.
“These maps will be available for one month, ending on 14 December.”
That’s today, in a month it’ll be January 14th.
Maybe I’ll finally get Tana.
I had 170 orbs saved so I could get my first Tana. 130 later, and I got two Tana an Amelia and a Seliph! What a nice reward for finishing finals, I guess!
Judging by the hilt and the hair shape looking like it’s tucked in (just realized it might be the santa hat causing that shape though) as well as the hilt that looks like awakening falchion and the way there is a slight perfusion right above the eye line on the right side of the face all look like masked marth. I suppose it could be a weird rendering of chrom though. But maybe Lucina Emblem will get five members, who knows?
Chrom on the right. The sword hilt matches the the Falcion’s. But I think it’ll be an accessory for him. I’m expecting him to be a armored mage judging from the amount of luggage on him.
Lissa definitely on the left. Probably an axe unit.
I will be hitting every single red orb I see until I have that Tharja.
Christmas Tharja is the first Armored Mage. Interesting.
They’re all very enemy phase oriented.
No she isn’t?? Halloween Henry was the first armored mage.
I stand corrected.
Actually, she was leaked (only with the face shown) sometime in February along with Robin (with full body portraits) in the data-mine back at Feb 2017. I think the Christmas banner along with Fire Emblem Heroes was probably planned to be released before Christmas on 2016 instead of post-pone to Feb 2017. Christmas Tharja would probably have to be the first armored mage in the game if the game was released before Christmas instead of February 2017.
Though that assumes that she was intended to be an armor unit back then, and wasn’t just converted into an armor unit recently.
Tharja is the top summon of this banner. Nice to see close counter actually being held by someone other than Pineapple Head.
Now that you’ve said it, you know you’re not going to pull her, right?
F*** me! You’re right!
wow who would’ve thought
Why are they all armored? How?
Meta
Lissa got better art now! Going for my Awakening waifu!
Alright, finally got around to using the Robin and Tharja Christmas outfits that were leaked some time ago.
“Lissa made me wear this outfit.” XD
lissaxrobin confirmed?
wincest
I married Lissa in Awakening, so yeah, that’s the pairing I went with 😉
I was bummed when I realized Lissa and Chrom share the same color but her B skill is awesome and if she pops up more than once I’ll be able to sacrifice her to better my Chrobin duo.
Also, now we have a second axe user Chrom.
We know Robin and Tharja’s art have been set since the beginning of the game, I wonder if their armor status were always planned or added in response to the meta?
Helllooooooo power creep
I knew they would add Christmas Robin and Christmas Tharja, and I see that they’ve added Christmas Chrom and Christmas Lissa. But, they are all Armored Units? Is this necessary?!
I’m pretty sure those Christmas decorations along with the suits probably have more defense and have one move since Halloween Jakob did have heavy ball in his leg and Halloween Henry was carrying the giant heavy coffin.
Christmas Tharja has no suit, she’s only wearing a bra and panties (with a coat), and yet she’s an Armored Unit? That doesn’t make any sense. Also, have you forgotten that Armored Units with Swords, Lances, Axes, and Bows (i.e. Halloween Jakob) are weak against Mages while Armored Units with Magic (i.e. Halloween Henry) are weak against the Melee and Bow Units?
Chrom should have been a dagger unit.
Wow Tharja look awful, more pervert pandering yaaaayyyy… everyone else looks good though. At least looking at her dosnt make me feel like a pedophile like Nowi does, just like im at a strip club lmao. Seriously though Amor??? H!Henry had the giant coffin so okay and H!Jakob was just so damn dedicated to his costume’s authenticity he wore real iron ball shackles I guess but here? Tharja’s (still) only wearing a bikini and cape…..
And I thought Amelia was stretching it when she released…
Oh COME ON! A Bound Hero Battle with enemy reinforcements?! Is THIS necessary?! Seriously, I hate the enemy reinforcements, it annoys the hell out of me!
Also, they brought back the maps from Fire Emblem Warriors, and yet they still won’t add Rowan or Lianna.
Now we can have a Robin Emblem Team: Robin (M), Robin (F), Robin (F/YS) and Robin (M/WE). Sadly, 3 of the 4 Robins are blue units. I was hoping the Tannenboom! would be a sword and not a lance.
…Be real, Vincent. We both need that Binding Blade. How much do you think the winner would sell it for?
I FINALLY get the chance to hear this! And it was well worth the wait! Wow, she’s an amazing singer – especially to sing this live and do it so well! – and an amazing person to do the things she does.
God, why do they get such amazing merchandise?
Heck, why has Nintendo still not given FE any merchandise outside of Japan?
Nintendo: “There’s a place outside of Japan?”
People actually buy official merchandise at Comiket?
Ok, for the 80 orbs I spent in this banner… I got:
WE!Lissa: +RES -ATK
WE!Tharja: +DEF -SPD
Clair: +ATK -RES
Eirika: +DEF +RES
Sheena: +HP -SPD.
Honestly, I really happy with my result in this first day of summoning. I hope I have the chance to get Robin and Chrom too.
120 orbs in, and all I have to show for is is 11 GOD DAMN HANAS!!!
Oh, I just got sad for you.
At least these aren’t Lon’qus. L&D >>> Vantage in desirability.
Yeah, but he give his at 4*, Hana doesn’t. Lon’gu also supplies Glimmer which is better than Rally Atk.
I’m sorry, man. You do still have some time, though, and I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you. Best of luck!
Thanks, hopefully they gives us a Tempest Trial soon so I can try again. I ain’t spending money on this kind of luck.
there is one coming up. awakening theme from what i can tell. robin as boss
From what I can tell, you probably aren’t likely to pull even one 5* in that amount of orbs, despite anecdotes to the contrary (you might expect one, but not getting one isn’t crazy). Of course, I’ll still wish you luck. I’ll always cheer a fellow F2P player on
…This game is freaking rigged, I swear – Orb 24 pulled me that blasted Tharja. I didn’t even want her. It seems we both need to keep our mouths shut when the Legendary Heroes Banner hits at the end of the year, or else I’ll pull whatever you look for instead of whatever I’m after.
Also, can someone do me a favor and TAKE FREAKING BARTRE OUT OF THIS GAME?!?!?!?!?!?!
Also, their weapons can be refined!
Got Lissa, Chrom and Tharja damn 3/4 most lucky I’ve had on a banner! plus a Nephenee and Soleil as bonuses!
I said it then, and I’ll say it now. Surfboarding Sharena in Heroes when?
Maybe next summer! I’m hoping Heroes will open up a bit to doing more with their OCs as we get more of them with the plot continuing and all. Would really love to see her as part of a summer banner next year.
Gigantic Surfboarding Sharena card. I am not ready. I am never ready.
Why is it that both Eirika’s 3/2s make her look psycho? Is it just because she’s always so calm looking, and her looking mad is just wrong? Or am I just crazy?
As for the set, first off, how did you get the Camilla to be angled right to not have any gold reflecting on her armor? I’ve been trying for the past week and can’t figure it out. Also, Joshua, L’Arachel, the new Lyn, and Natasha make for a fun Kilmar deck, surprisingly enough, particularly when paired with Jaffar.
The main difference between the two photos of the Camilla card is that the left is taken with flash and the right with no flash. I thought the left image showed off the card itself and also the rose texturing very nicely, but because of the angle of the shot, you can hardly see the foiling at all. The right shot showed the foiling better but was very hard to shoot in focus (this one was the best of a dozen tries and it’s still kinda fuzzy).
I couldn’t decide which showed the card off better, so I just tossed them both in. Cards with the foiling like that are very difficult to photograph. I guess it doesn’t help that I’m a pretty amateur photographer anyway.
Anyway, hopefully this helped!
I also agree with you on Eirika. I think her SR is my favourite art of her this set, but she’s pretty wild in both 3/2s.
That card with Lianna and Caeda sitting together in their pajamas is adorable.
I took my free draw, there were no reds so I went for green. I think I got a Cherche. Well, done with this Focus.
I really love Fae, but I wish she would stop spooking me when I’m trying to get special event Heroes I really want.
What I’ve been most thankful for was being able to rub Tharja and Robin’s appearance in the faces of all my friends who believed they would be replaced.
By the way, they reduced Soleil’s rarity, which is cool, and surprising. Would’ve been more helpful if they lowered Rhajat too (or instead)
Yeah, it’s the exact same thing. Which means soon we will have Quests with Anna.
Oh right I remember playing this months ago it just came and went like SoV at least this is still remembered and marketed better lol.
so i have the update and apparently the stats of chrom’s training sword and tiki’s tear have been changed?
Anyone know how to unlock the Maid Camilla & Butler Takumi costumes? I heard history mode but anyone know more specifics?
Well, I can easily see Maid Camilla be the reward in the Cold Reception map, because in Fates you fight Flora in that map and Flora being a maid can her be substituted by Camilla in the Warriors’ version.
Yessss, I’ve been so excited for Azura. Can’t wait to check this out.
Maybe this time, I will finally get Eldigan… randomly got Minerva recently when I was trying to get another green, I don’t even remember who right now.
This…this is evil, considering Feh hinted at another Legendary Hero Event at the end of the year. I mean, I know we’re supposed to BUY Orbs so they get money, but…come on.
I’ve already got a neutral Eldigan, which is nice. Hoping to pull a Jaffar, no luck so far.
I know a lot of people are complaining about the repeat of Masked Marth as a reward, but I’m fine with it. There’s a lot of newer players that miss opportunities to get these free units and so making them reappear occasionally while dispersed between new content is okay with me…the only thing I’d then say is that why not some other free unit? Maybe they just decided that Masked Marth will be the only reoccurring Tempest Reward? Kind of a let down, but the biggest thing I’m looking forward to is the other rewards like the orbs and blessing(s).
Also, Christmas is suppose to be the most wonderful time of the year…yet my rng is crap. My free pull for the last 2 banners have been 3*s and I’m currently at 4.75% on the Winter Banner and still no W! Tharja…sadness.
Ugh I’ve been pulling tons of 3*s lately, my rng has been terrible too.
I’m cool with more Masked Marth too, seeing as how the Unit is a blank slate you can do literally anything you want with so long as you stick to basic Red requirements(no Lancebreaker etc), plus this also means merges for those who already tricked one out.
Sad to hear my crossed fingers hasn’t resulted in much for you, man. I’ll keep my hopes up for ya, but maybe we should both stay quiet if that other Legendary Heroes Event Feh hinted at drops, just in case.
I still wish mashed marth had skills, especially something like aether, cause making her full SI makes her REALLY expensive to build, sp wise.
also my luck is crap becuse my previous 5 summons had no green when I’m pulling for lissa.
I did get a decent minerva in my second summon on this banner though
Damn, I knew the previous banner was bait and yet I still fell for it. Gonna have to scrounge up some Orbs somehow, especially since I don’t even have any of the Christmas units yet.
Wow! I am really surprised. I already knew a Tempest Trial was coming, but I was thinking about a mini tempest trial.
A mini would be easier for orb farming. This way its way more painful for F2P players to get some orbs for the winter banner…
So all the 40% bonus units are armors? That’s going to really screw with my usual TT team setup XD oh well. At least I already pulled a WE!Robin.
you COULD just use nowi…
Masked Marth as a repeat is a little disappointing, maybe they could have done some sort of Morgan, but with how powerful dragons have gotten due to weapon refinery IS might be planing to give the Falchion refinery options like the ignore buffs upgrade. I might try to build a cancel affinity Masked Marth for all of those Triangle Adept Nowi and M!Robins you see in voting gauntlet ;_;
I’m fine with them repeating Masked Marth (helps newer players and gives me another merge), but I think a mini would’ve sufficed. The other rewards will have to be pretty special to make me appreciate spending my holiday grinding. But at least there should be some orbs to get for whatever the New Years event is
I’m fine with MM as at least I have one unit I can start merging at 5*. I just wish I’d persevered with the first TT so I could have her at +5.
Navarre’s GHB is the easiest Grand Hero Battle of all. I won every difficult in my first try.
Also, if someone is having problem with the “Use Alfonse/Navarre to defeat Lv 40 Navarre” quest, try the Chain Challenge 5 on Lunatic. He is in the first map.
Or you can do Arena Assault with only one of them on a team. People should be putting out weaponless Navarres there.
Yes. I like how the players are helping each others in this way.
All these Navarre copies just sit there and clog up my barracks. I don’t want to get rid of them, because they’re exclusive, but I’m not seeing any reason to actually use them either
use one, fodder the rest for threaten speed
Yeah but then I’ll never be able to merge them (or get them back) and Selena does give Threaten Speed anyway. Probably will though. I did eat a Narcian for Lancebreaker and survived
save your feathers for life and death fodder
Three words: threaten speed fodder
I hope for new things soon so far after only 2 Book II chapters so much underwhelming padding especially another repeat TT reward, Warriors map again, Navarre AGAIN, the Legendary Banner depends on the other units overall 2018 better pick up more content for Heroes.
Well, I think in January 1st 2018 will be the version 2.1 update. This will probably bring a new Book 2 chapter and maybe new weapons to refine. Also, February is the 1 year anniversary of FE Heroes, so we will have at least a new FEH Channel in January about it. I can easily see a new Choose Your Legend or something like that.
Maybe with the 1 year anniversary we will have something special for the 3 main characters.
I hope so….
I would have like some Christmas baubles… in the shape of orbs! Seriously though, summoning is becoming a drag as well rather than something to look forward too. Bwa ha ha ha!
I’m gonna give my +Atk Fury 3 Tana Heavy Blade
I was going to do the same for my +Atk Tana with Brave Lance and Galeforce for TT. Great minds think alike…
Changed my mind. + Atk Elincia with Heavy Blade seal. Tana will get Iote Shield since she’s the second bulkiest unit in my team after my Raventome S!Camilla.
Cool. Heavy Blade and Iote’s Shield will be fun additions. On the other hand, I think they probably could’ve been a little more generous than 2 refining stones…
2 x 14 = 28. That’s actually quite a lot of stones.
Well it’ll probably be 2 x 7 = 14 and then double for the second week (4 x 7 = 28) as it usually does, for a total of 42. That’s not enough to refine even one weapon, so I wouldn’t call that generous for a two-week event
I was sorta hoping IntSys would give out a special Christmas gift, but seems they’re not that generous. TT is easy this time around despite not heaving any of the 40% bonus heroes; all that means is that I’m running through with Nowi and Masked Marth (who’s slowly gaining more +’s). Sacred Seals are really nice this time around though. Iote’s Shield is gonna help make more Fliers relevant with the massive amounts of B! Lyns plaguing the arena, and Heavy Blade is just OP.
Green and Colorless orbs, that’s what I want. I do not have any of the green units of this banner, and I want Elise but I need o get Bride Lyn too to give Elise her Candlelight. I do not have Innes too. I have all red units, so I will not try the red orbs. From blue, I only do not have Charlotte, so maybe I will try the blue orbs.
Hm… They did not say Gunnthra is a free unit, so maybe we all need to get her. And also, I think Gunnthra’s blessing is DEF.
That a problem maybe she’s free in the story c’mon it makes sense
Or not.
It would
Guess what! shes not a free unit, so yeah have fun trying to pull her. I have given up on this game due to BS Bad luck.
It’s bait. Wait until Thursday/Friday for the next banner preview.
Every banner is a bait banner if it has characters you want and like.
Yeah Gunntra doesn’t even have an increase BST compared to Cecilia and there are New Years Units. At least I only spent 80 orbs and got six 5*s.
Hmmm I’m a lot less excited about this if Gunnthra isn’t free, because I would love to finally replace my Cecilia. Even if she isn’t here, she might become free later on, unless they’re testing to see if people will spend for original units (I would not). I would almost certainly make her a Raven Adept user though.
It doesn’t seem like she’s free, no. There’s been no mention at all of getting her for free, unlike Fjorm.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I wouldn’t pull for her in that case seeing as I would have only a 1 in 3 chance after the 8%. I’m hoping that she’ll be free in a corresponding story event to be released later
Even if you get her in the banner and after it she become a free unit, you can merge her or give Res Ploy to other unit.
The nice thing about the hero quests is how you can do 1V1 in arena assault and not have to do that one awakening map.
I called it wow!
Tbh, I think I’m gonna pass this banner. Not really interested in Gunnthra, and Amelia is the only character I would want merges on. Summer Corrin is probably coming within the next two months, so I’ll wait for that so I can fix my -Atk one. Good luck to anyone pulling!
Red pulls in the banner seems nice, I’d want either Ryoma or Sigurd, and the colorless has Elise so I can work towards finishing my Conquest team but Green and blue are underwhelming. What this has gotta mean though is that we’ll be getting an extension to the Book II story that details our new hero…whether that means she’s free or not. I hope she is, because I aint spending for her.
The Laslow, Florina and Bartre quests are nice; free orbs and some free fodder since none of them are particularly good…especially poor Florina.
And the survey is nice, hopefully this’ll lead to the community rallying together to ask for something. I personally want an added feature where you can change the Boon/Bane of you heroes. I finally pulled a W!Tharja, but she’s -ATK/+SPD, which sucks big time. Obviously it’ll be a feature that’ll require in game currency and will likely spawn a new kind along side the silver marks and refinery stones.
I have both Ryoma and Brave Roy, but Sigurd has been evading me on every banner he’s been on… so I’m probably doomed. Have to concur that Blue and Green aren’t that great. As I have Elise and am probably the only person who’s played FE 7 and doesn’t like Lyn… I think I might stay away from this banner altogether…
Gunnthra being free would be nice indeed. Otherwise I have my Cecilia.
I wouldn’t mind a Bridal Lyn since I think she’s a decent healer and a seasonal unit who’s limited, but I agree, Lyn is very overrated amongst the FE fanbase, and I got start with FE7 back when it first came out, so nostalgia aint an issue for me.
I wouldn’t terribly mind either, but I have Elise and Innes so I won’t be pulling colorless, not for Lyn.
I played it many times over the years and her personality has grated for me from the very first time, I just don’t know, never liked her at all.
I like her, and her relationship with the tactician is memorable for first time players, but she’s not a strong character overall. I don’t really see how she’d be grating or why people really love her.
Like I said, I’m probably the only one.
A feedback survey? Cool, maybe that’ll finally inspire me to also mention the conspicuous lack of the Eight Legends and Idunn.
Like I need another Laslow, Florina, or Bartre.
Gunnthrá is not a free unit, and no new story chapter to unlock her either, and I wasted almost all of the Orbs, and I couldn’t summon her… FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-!!
All of the new year characters have already been leaked. 😉
Figured they wouldn’t make Gunthra an FTP unit, but I’m more disappointed in there being nothing story or quest related for her. They want to see how many people are willing to go for original characters and see if they can make money off them…seems most don’t care for them if they’re not FTP.
At least I was able to quickly pull a Ryoma from this banner, and with the new banner coming up, I’m calling it quits instead of going for Elise or Sigurd since data mining has already confirmed the characters to be Takumi (dagger), Camilla (flying sword), M! Corrin (bow), and Azura (flying axe). Camilla will have her usual love-hate responses, but Azura’s the most interesting one seeing as her BST is lower than Camilla’s, which most likely means she’s gonna be our first flying singing unit, which if that’s the case…oh boy will the arena meta be shaken up.
my guess is that she’ll come free with the next story update.
Don’t hold your breath, I don’t think they’ll do that in fear of the backlash that would result from all those who spend for her.
when have they ever been afraid of backlash. most people don’t even realize that there’s a banner preview tomorrow/tonight and yet they’re spending their orbs. IS isn’t afraid to make profit.
Gunttra will be important in the story from the looks of it.
i’m not having ayra level of expectations. it’s just that i see wind blessing being a TT reward and it’d be redundant if you don’t have Gunttra as a free unit.
That is true, and I hope you are right…however IS has burned us before with past decisions so I maintain cautious optimism.
I’m not sure if it would just be because of backlash, though. The gacha laws in Japan are somewhat strict, so having a character that premiered as 5* exclusive that you have to ‘pay’ for suddenly become free might go against the laws there (though I’m no expert, so I could be off base a bit). The CYL units and also Fjorm were announced as free in advance and you could summon to get more, but we haven’t seen anything work the other way around yet, at least outside of 3* units (like the current hero quests), where ‘premium’ units suddenly become free.
Granted, it would be a nice New Years gift or something since they didn’t do much for Christmas, but I won’t hold my breath. I do think it foolish to release this character in advance/without any actual ties to the story, however. Sure, she was alluded to, but no new maps or anything to flesh out her story, and to just throw a new OC character on a banner where she shares a colour with not one but -two- old unit, no less doesn’t exactly inspire confidence for me! >_<
Isn’t it another water blessing that is the Tempest Trial reward?
We already have theirs skills.
Azura, being a Flying dancer with Hone Fliers can be very useful.
Camilla is the one with the new skill “Spd Def Bond”
Corrin is a support character, with Rally Def Res and Spur Def Res
Finally, Takumi is a better Saizo. Also, I can easily see his Kagami Mochi being a weapon which can be refined. Maybe his refined dagger will have the same effect of a refined Smoke Dagger, which is amazing.
Four really good units. I will try to get all four, but my priority is Azura.
None of the new skills seen OP, but they do seem to gel well with the characters as a base kit.
-Camilla’s high Atk/Spd/Def will gel well with Spd/Def Bond. She’ll likely have a lot of versatility to her because of her stats, though I’d say a high Spd build is gonna be the most common one as she’ll easily be able to break 40 Spd and with Hone flyers be even faster that Mia or Ayra.
-Corrin’s Rally is good, but Corrin himself seems more like a enemy phase unit who’d probably be best as a Close Counter user due to his high Def, or even an anti-B!Lyn or Ayra/Mia unit with Bow or Sword Breaker. You’ll probably want to focus on further bulking him up with a +Def IV and +Def refined weapon making his Def 40.
-Takumi’s weapon is solid with it’s Killer effect making him more capable of dishing out damage to high Def units qith Moonbow, however his low Def will prove to hinder him against the usual Distant Counter units, just like all the other dagger units. So until they introduce the Firesweep dagger, dagger users will continue to be underwhelming in the current meta.
-Azura is a singer which is all she needs. Her base weapon is good support, plus her built in Hone Flyers makes her essential in Flyer Emblem teams, but even in normal teams she’ll be a major threat with her high Spd.
Also, Azura can use the Guidance sacred seal to help others heroes.
Flying singer would be neat, but I’ve never been able to get any version of Azura, since launch, so I consider myself somewhat cursed in that regard XD I got 5 Inigos trying to get the green one. But who knows. Maybe the third one will be the charm, or something.
Congrats on getting Ryoma. I guess I’ll just redeem the free summon and maybe try any other green or red orbs in that same pool, then leave it.
Good luck on getting Azura, I have both P! Azura and vanilla so I’ll definitely go for this one to add to the collection, but I’m most interested in my girl Camilla since I’m apparently one of the few that likes her for reasons other than her body.
Same here. I haven’t pulled this banner yet, but knowing there’s a Camilla coming up definitely changes my original battle plan of pulling with every Orb I get. Also, glad to see you have better taste in Camilla appreciation than most, you’re right about it being ridiculously uncommon.
I think Camilla has merit (based on her supports), but she was written badly, and to be fanservice, based on what they’ve highlighted about her with future portrayals. I don’t think there’s a way around that, but there was enough to have had a great character with a some effort and a little restraint. I actually think this of Tharja and Faye too, compared to others that seem so bland or so reliant on one character trait that they aren’t salvageable. That said, I don’t think that means people ought to like her more (just perhaps that they should understand that fanservice has opportunity cost)
Wish I knew more about Gunthra before I pulled her. I’m not terribly impressed with her character, but it is nice to replace Cecilia.
One of the Gunnthrá’s Quotes is: “I wish that all of my siblings could live happily together. If only…”
So, there is at least one more Nifl’s prince/princess. At least one more Legendary Hero confirmed.
So… New Voting Gauntlet: Winter’s Envoy X New Year?
Nah, it’s probably gonna be Hoshido vs. Nohr as the next Voting Gauntlet, and New Years Corrin will probably be on that Hoshido Banner. But then again, he might be a reward for the upcoming January event.
Pulled a -SPD Brave Roy without trying…but now I can throw all my orbs at that flying, dancing Azura (with Hone Fliers!)
“New Years Corrin will be given out as a reward during an event in January.”
Could be a Tempest Trial reward but we are in the middle of a trial right know, so having 2 trials one near the other is a little strange.
Grand Hero Battle, maybe? Or a new type of event?
The tweet was kind of vague on it, probably on purpose. It may be a new event or just a new type of reward for an existing event.
For those of you don’t know what Corrin’s build is, take a look.
HP/37, ATK/32, SPD/30, DEF/34, RES/18
Weapon: Hama Ya+- Effective against flying foes. Grants Def/Res+2 during combat to allies within 2 spaces.
Support: Rally Def/Res- Grants Def/Res+3 to an adjacent ally until the end of the turn.
A: Attack Def +2- Grants Atk/Def+2.
C: Spur Def/Res 2- Grants adjacent allies Def/Res +3 during combat.
At first you might think he’s a mediocre unit, but his stats are similar to Leon and Leon is actually a pretty good unit. NY!Corrin might not have the advantage of having boons and banes as well has having 2 less attack than Leon, but Corrin has 4 more defense. Close counter archer builds would be pretty nice on him if only that skill wasn’t a premium skill.
Really love the New Year’s costumes.
Maybe this time an Azura will finally come to me?
And is Camilla riding side saddle on her wyvern?
I was wondering where he was….
Camilla and Azura still gorgeous as usual damn!
9 orbs, yay!
I forgot that this was on the horizon, so even though I was trying to save up a bit for the new banner tomorrow, I decided I’d use these 9 unexpected orbs on the Legendary Hero banner. In a surprising twist of fate, I pulled a Brave Roy and a Fjorm! (decided to push my luck going for a third, but it was a 4* Olivia, at which point I stopped). Trying to decide whether or not to merge them into my existing units or pass their skills onto others.
A fairly easy challenge, the biggest thing was figuring out how to deal with Lucius. Saving those 9 orbs for the New Year Banner.
Pulled my girl Camilla first try…-Spd though which really sucks, but she’ll be who I side with in the Voting Gauntlet. I’ll save up the orbs to try and go for Azura now and maybe a better IV Camilla.
Anyways, my guess for the popular choices in this gauntlet are Camilla, Azura, and Tharja…though that doesn’t really matter since winning seems to always come down timing, do they have it for the final hour. Especially since more people are aware of this exploit so they save up their flags.
Got Camilla all I wanted!
got azura in 2 summonss. and good ivs to boot. i’m saving up for the next banner
Why Ryoma? Also, I got a +Atk NY!Camilla and I am happy with it!
Man, Ryoma looking spiffy for New Year’s 😛
Azura for free summon, boom!
Was Shadows of Valentia actually “widely praised”? I’m genuinely asking. Because I agree pretty much entirely with the blurb in the article (I didn’t read the initial reviews): I found it to be a worthy, if imperfect, addition to the series, but I actually don’t know what the general feeling in the community is (or how well it sold relative to expectations)
It’s funny because disregarding the graphics, I find gaiden to be a much more fun game than SoV for various reasons. It stuck closely to the original gameplay, which is fine, but it also scrapped and rebalanced quite a lot of features that made the game a complete slog. Plus it’s arguably necessary to grind in order to progress, which should never be the case in a FE game. Even if you get through the main part, there is still the new act which is completely absurd if you haven’t grinded.
Yes, I agree in fact. The whole game felt like a slog to play a lot of the time. Terrain bonuses, swamps, and monster spawns (both from cantors and in dungeons) never made the game harder, only longer, and the way they handle weaponry, leveling up, and experience from enemies did not make that length feel rewarding in the end. And I agree that none of those things really had to be this way if they wanted to retain some of the odd Gaiden game mechanics. Still, I thought the presentation was beautiful and that the game had one of the stronger casts.
I keep returning to this point, but IS is in a fortunate place where they could be bridging the divide between pre and post 3DS Fire Emblem, or at least leveraging Fire Emblem’s current popularity to draw attention to and occasionally touch up the older games. But they have largely decided against doing that, instead keeping a balance largely in favor of the 3DS era and its style, while seemingly oblivious to how crucial it was to make stylistically traditional games like SoV accessible.
Likewise, I keep bringing up that the waifus are too profitable to ditch fully. For a lot of new fans, that’s what they’d expect when getting into future titles as well. Even the devs were uncertain about the reception SoV would get from these fans, but as you mentioned the presentation and added supports were the saving grace, I suppose. I also realise that people play the games for different reasons, but there are certain features that should always be in a FE game no matter what. If there was no unforgiving progression curve and focus on resource management, there would be no reason to play the games. Except if you play the games for the shipping, which is a major fault. As Awakening and to a lesser extent Fates proved, it’s hard to maintain both aspects without having at least one of them being half-assed and tacked on (which is why Fates got two versions in the first place).
My biggest wish for the Switch game is that: 1. Avatar is scrapped, 2. S rank supports are scrapped, 3. Children are scrapped, and 4. No potential for grinding. All of them won’t happen, obviously, but if they would, and development time were put elsewhere, we would get a really amazing game I feel.
I concur with the Avatar being scrapped again, or, if not, being a non-playable unit, like in FE 7. But I doubt that’ll happen as a lot of players like having that sort of self-insert character.
I’d be fine with S rank supports as long as they would only be available for a limited pool of characters, sort of like the paired endings in some of the older games. The way it is now makes supports almost meaningless what with having to keep all options open and all supports potentially romantic…
Children only if it’s a FE 4 remake. Or we get a true generation cut like that again, no more time travel or alternate dimension shenanigans.
Grinding could be optional again like in the Outrealms in Awakening (or the skirmishes in FE 8, but avoidable, or with an option to switch them off entirely, but balancing might get tricky).
I guess it would be possible to please both sides, as long as people don’t get upset about parts of the game they can ignore if they don’t want them.
The casual mode for example, I’d never play but as long as classic is available I don’t see how there’s any reason to complain about it. A bigger playerbase in the end benefits all as it means more sales and so more games in the future.
I mean, you kinda hit the nail on its head there with why FE13 is one of the worst in the series. Terrible story, tropey characters and supports, infinite grinding, and bad overall gameplay. The grinding on its own broke the game completely, which is why I prefer easy modes to casual since it gives the player a taste of what the series is about, without being too punishing. Grinding destroys the game for everyone as you can’t possible hope to balance a game around tight progression while at the same time allowing people to level their units whenever they want (look at lunatic being completely impossible to beat with no deaths and grinding, if you don’t achieve very specific level ups early game).
It’s not really a good FE game anymore if you can grind for things. It’s good that you brought up FE8, because before FE13 it was my least favourite in the series for similar reasons, bias aside. The moment you can farm experience and gold, while at the same time going back on any mistake you make, the whole idea behind lasting consequences is wiped out. In FE13 there’s a way to make up for any mistake, so you can play it at a disgustingly relaxed pace. People say it’s optional, but the core gameplay will be the same whatever way you play, which as I said breaks the game for people like me who want a typical FE experience.
A few things I’d add to that.
For one, with testing time and resources being scarce, the modes that will be tested the most are those with the biggest playerbase, so difficulties like Lunatic receive the least attention and consequently are often the worst when it comes to balancing. You also have to take into account that it’ll be very hard to find suitable playtesters who can test these modes but aren’t so deep into the game they know to anticipate every move of the AI and therefore can’t give accurate player feedback (e.g. developers/level designers playtesting). Balancing at this point becomes almost impossible, whether you factor in grinding or not it’s going to end up some kind of broken one way or another.
For me personally the challenging tactical gameplay is not the main draw. I do enjoy it but it seems obvious it’s a much higher priority to you.
I also found the pair up feature to break FE 13 more than the grinding. I’ve not played Lunatic, but on lower difficulties it wasn’t mandatory to grind to get through the game.
That being said I did find it amazingly easy compared to older games, maybe I should’ve played on a higher setting. The one-note characters and lackluster story disappointed me more. And yet I prefer them to Fates’ cast.
What you say about having the option to grind ruining the game in your opinion is kind of what I meant about only being able to please both sides if people are able to not get upset about optional things they don’t like.
I absolutely agree that if grinding is possible and it also becomes necessary that goes completely against what FE should be, or at least, used to be. But if I can take it or leave it and some people prefer to overlevel instead of playing strategically then so be it, I’ll leave it and they can have it.
Maybe it’s not as “true” to the original experience but as long as there’s no need to change your own playstyle I’d say it’s not worth being upset about.
Although I think the casual and easy modes should be enough to allow all players to not need to grind. Then again, some people play just for the story, characters and the matchmaking, and might not be strategy game players at all, maybe not even RPG. Personally I think they should find games more suitable to their preferences, but I can understand IS wanting/needing to sell as many games as possible.
I’d definitely agree with you, in the way that at some point the core gameplay becomes so diluted they may as well make just another clone of generic JRPG X instead of another FE game.
What way is there in FE 13 to make up for any mistake? Do you maybe mean FE 15?
If you do, I thought it wasn’t a bad solution at all. It _is_ optional. You need never use it. True it’s there and it’s tempting, but no one’s making you use it.
As for your earlier point about Lunatic being impossible with no deaths. That sort of contradicts your own arguments. Permanent deaths used to always be a feature. True, most of us probably reset the chapter to find a way to keep everyone alive, since we like the characters or the challenge. But arguably that’s not the point?
It would be more logical to accept the death and move on, after all, that’s what some of the characters recruited later on are there for, to replace fallen characters. The games used to be balanced around the fact that you do lose units during gameplay. And might even ultimately fail, if you lose too many and can’t beat the remaining chapters.
So saying that Lunatic is broken because it’s impossible to do without any deaths seems to me to be a contradiction. But I’ve not played it.
I guess maybe it is impossible after all to please both sides 🙂
It’s always impossible to please everyone, but I’d hope it’s possible to please many and still remain FE.
(I got a message that I couldn’t reply to a deleted post, so I’ll just post my reply here instead)
I think you’re missing the point a bit regarding grinding. Sure, you’re capable of grinding in most titles through the arena, but it’s not the same as having the option available to you at every time, after every map and whenever you want, even if it doesn’t make logical sense plotwise. But the concept of FE, as in the features of the game that people play the game for, doesn’t suit grinding.The three main features that should always be in the players mind when playing a FE game are experience from kills, management of items and gold, and the individuality of units. That’s what I meant with making up for any mistake, because Awakening lets you get legacy units if someone dies, and you can farm experience and gold as mentioned. And that’s only taking into consideration that you’re playing Classic; casual is an even worse offender since it scraps all three of those aspects completely. The turnwheel is something I dislike as well, but it’s not something I bother with because it’s clearly designed with newcomers in mind, and it’s also not infinite. The grinding in FE15 is bad, but not as much so as in FE13, because rebalancing an entire game is too big a task for a reimagining. But that’s another argument.
Permadeath has always been the main feature, and that’s also what I’m arguing for. Being able to reset the game when something goes wrong is something that people have always been able to abuse, but that doesn’t really mean all the other smaller choices you make throughout the game become insignificant. That’s because you can’t go back on how you’ve spent your resources or what units you’ve chosen to train, or what supports you’ve decided on. If you’re capable of maxing those resources regardless all those little choices do become insignificant. So you’re right, if people don’t want a game with lasting consequences, then they can just go play another fucking game. FE has always been about these small choices piling up to become something big, which makes each playthrough unique, and ignoring those things are outright offensive. Everything is built on these consequences, from the permadeath to the forced forward progression, which is also why I dislike the games with free roaming maps.
At the same time, you bring up ironmanning. That’s one of the things FE13 fails completely in, because in previous games the concept of permadeath was completely fair and balanced, because if someone died, you could replace them no matter what. You always got a prepromoted unit that could take their place with minimal investment, which is a decent compromise. In FE13 you get about four prepromotes in total that’re completely useless since they can only support the avatar. This breaks what made permadeath fair in the older games, because now you can’t really replace them as easily without, you guessed it, stopping to grind up other underleveled units. This also slows down the progression of the game a lot, and it basically forces you to either play Classic with resets or casual which just negates the entire mechanic anyway.
I originally played FE13 on Lunatic since I’m a veteran, but the moment I realized the stat inflations are effectively as bad as in FE10’s HMs, I backed down to Hard to enjoy a more balanced experience and not Frederick Emblem. However, jokes on me because as you pointed out the pair up mechanic renders the entire HM obsolete because you can effectively solo the entire game with just Chrom and Robin pairing up. But that’s not even the worst part, even if you play without pair up the game is clearly balanced with grinding and pairing up in mind, and the map objectives are nothing more than killing some guys in the same way you kill everyone else, which made me turn off my brain in nearly every encounter.
I could keep going but it would get too expansive. If they can just create another game like CQ, which is really good, I would be pleased. But mashing together both the casual stuff from BR and the hardcore stuff from CQ will get you nothing more than yet another shitty Awakening.
For some reason my post got marked as spam, I have no idea why, we’ll see if it gets undeleted.
Well, as I’ve already agreed, (obligatory) grinding goes against the core idea of FE. I’ve not played Lunatic or too many hard modes, so I don’t have your experience in how they play. While I’ve played these games for over a decade, like I said, the challenging tactical gameplay isn’t the main draw for me, which is where your assumption that those are “the features of the game that people play the game for” doesn’t work for me.
Obviously people play these games for different reasons. Also the older ones. There’s more to the games than those gameplay features. I think you noted that before yourself, although I think you then applied it only to those people who play since FE 13 and play for completely different reasons than those of us who’ve played the older titles as well and didn’t welcome the changes with and since FE 13 with open arms.
I’m certainly no big fan of FE 13, I think between us we’ve listed most of what was wrong with it. Prepromotes as well as legacy characters, as you point out, lack support options. On higher than normal difficulty those missing supports are bound to hurt.
I’ve not had time to play Conquest yet. I started with Birthright as I intended to play all three campaigns and wanted to start with the weakest and work my way up to the best one. Unfortunately I then ran out of time, other games claimed my attention and finally my 3DS broke. I will get around to it someday.
While I find the Fates characters to be even more one note than the Awakening ones, and the supports no better, I did like the maps and objectives better, even in Birthright, than in Awakening, and the pair up not as broken.
So even if it’s not perfect it’s an improvement.
Maybe they’ll find an even better way for the upcoming FE 16.
Well, by extension both of our playstyles are affected. My main gripe with FE13 is that it’s a poorly designed game at it’s core. And, just like in FE11, when this is applied to the more difficult modes, the stitches fully let go.
Not even on the easier modes is it a good FE game, and is the reason why doing what FE7 did is the better option. Somehow, it messed up both being a good game for newcomers to the series and being the franchise’s swansong. In FE7 on the other hand, you have a rigid tutorial which shows new players the ropes while not being overly difficult. It also teaches those players about more advanced features in an easy to understand manner, which is also seen in how you can transition between Lyn’s tutorial and Eliwoods NM without much trouble. In addition to that, you can’t really unintentionally get stuck, as the game keeps assisting you throughout the playthrough by giving you strong prepromotes, and early game Oswin and Marcus are effectively blessed by the goddess of immortality. In that vein FE13 doesn’t teach the player well at all. Quality over quantity is what to take from it.
BR is better than FE13, but it’s also more of FE13. It still has a crap story, but mechanics are indeed better. However, it’s CQ that makes those features shine by virtue of its good map design and actual smart difficulty balance, which is not really present in BR. It would be great if CQ was used as the standard moving forward, but as reviewers shat on the game in Japan because it was too different from their precious Awakening that’s not too certain even if it got better reception here in the west. I’d definitely recommend you to play it when you get the chance to. It’s up there with FE3, 7 & 12.
The thing is that I like when the entries in the series are unique and do their own thing (FE4, 5, 10, CQ). They’re all great games, even though they’re not necessarily like the original FE experience as established in FE3. However, when that uniqueness takes away from a well designed experience, then I’m gonna have a problem. If FE16 cannot do its own thing without it being a clusterfuck like FE13, then it should just revert to being a standard experience.
“Plus it’s arguably necessary to grind in order to progress”
Thankfully you expressed this phrase in this way, because it wasn’t for me.
Unless you want to take the Dracoshield from Desaix or Jedah, no grinding is required, and these are optional challenges.
The game has many flaws, one being it’s difficulty, which is easy even on hard if you use everything you receive; dlc itself being atrocious; but no, I don’t agree that grinding was necessary at all,
Oh yea, some people were able to defeat Thabes without grinding and losing units, that wasn’t my case, I tried it and ended up with 3 deaths (luckly there is the revival fountain), but even the hardest challenge in the game isn’t that big.
I see. I suppose it depends a bit on your playstyle. However, grinding in this case refers to both forced skirmishes and the battles you run into in dungeons. If you completed the game without those I’ll give you some credit, but it’s effectively impossible to avoid them as well. I did my best to avoid them (when I couldn’t, I gave the exp to units I didn’t use), but I came to a halt near the end of the original final act with Celica. On the contrary, I never had this issue in Gaiden, which I managed to beat largely without grinding (they’re forced on you each time you want to promote).
Nintendo said they were satisfied with how well it sold. We don’t know exact total numbers so that’s anyone’s guess, but I’ll take Nintendo’s word for it until otherwise.
While I don’t know about widely praised, it did overall get more praise than disdain.
A Happy New Year to the Serenes Forest Team from Europe 🙂 and thanks for always keeping us up to date with everything.
A salute to the end of this worthy year in Fire Emblem. If I may add my own commentary(sit back, this’ll be a big one)…
First off, you misspelled glamorous. Just had to start off that way because that’s how I am.
Second, in a way, we’re lucky Super Money Raker and MiiFaceBook ended up contributing to Heroes’ delay, otherwise this year wouldn’t have been quite as epic seeing as how we’d be saying Heroes released last year instead of this year, and somehow having to say that takes a bit of the wind out of the sails as it were. I do remember those early days with 50 Stamina(funnily enough, I remember thinking at the time that there was no way I’d ever run out of Stamina with a whole freaking 50), and even though we’ve lost some of the fun of the early stages of a game if you ask me – such as the days when I could be proud just to own a Camilla without having to try to think Boon/Banes through and the like – we’ve also added SO much, like the Skill Inheritance that means I can use my Roy during Voting Gauntlets without feeling like I’m sticking my fellows fighters with a garbage Unit. Now if only we could get the Eight Legends…
Thirdly, I was glad to see SoV happen, and not just because it meant Roy might get his own chance to go national without Smash in the future – Alm and Celica were the two non-FE6 Einherjar I was the most curious about in Awakening, and I was grateful for the chance to get their story, even if it meant I had to endure the train wreck that was Jedah’s plan, and I got some conceptual backstory ideas for Awakening’s time as well, with three new additions to my Waifu List and the Cipher DLC to boot! All in all, a grand game opening even grander possibilities(Re:Elibe when?).
Fourth, Warriors…ah, Warriors. To begin, there was no Roy-er, I mean, there was no consistency! All the Devs’ statements just made me more ticked off at them, at Nintendo, at the games not being featured, at the games BEING featured, etc., but in the end, they managed to deliver a decent game that I definitely enjoyed for, among other reasons, giving characters like Chrom and Elise a chance to take center stage mid-battle(HOLY CRAP LISSA IS FUN BTW). While it wasn’t as balanced as it could have been, I still managed to appreciate almost every character they added(all except Celica for personal reasons). My hopes for the next couple years include a Warriors 2 featuring Roy and I guess Ike, better PR, and of course a Wave 2 DLC for Warriors 1 with a pack featuring three different Anna(Tellius Peg. Knight, Awakening Trickster, and Heroes Commander) for all our money-saving needs.
Finally, Cipher…give me a minute. Pardon my emotion, but I was really certain they’d internationalize it this year. The Cipher DLC in SoV has kept my hope burning bright, but it’s still disappointing to not be able to teach people because they’re scared off by the language barrier, even with my assurances that translations were easy to access. I’ll stop here because this post is already ridiculously long, but let’s just say I’ll keep hoping all next year, however blindly, and look forward to seeing the Cipher 4, plus our new friends Alice and Valjean, make more appearances in future FE games(coughFESwitchIScough).
So with that said, happy new year everyone, may your Lunatic-Classic campaigns be casualty-free and your Normal-Casual runs be ever enjoyable!
It was a great year. Heroes continues to develop for better (new features, the free summon, etc.) and worse (the nonsense with Ayra), and my hopes is that they continue on the better parts. As much of a bore as the gameplay in SoV was, I was happy to see a small part of the community get a game they could really like as well as see the start of what I hope to be the ‘Echoes’ moniker…like for our boy Roy. I only hope that the devs learn from this project the things they need to improve for the eventual next remake. Warrior was a lot of fun, despite the lack of diverse FE rep, I would’ve really have like to have seen Laguz characters or my FE8 waifu Tethys, but I like the Awakening and Fates characters so I didn’t care that is was only rep’d by those games + Shadow Dragon.
Here’s to 2018, let’s hope FE Switch comes out sooner than later.
best wishes for 2018! hopefully some of the less popular titles (in the us) will be localized <333
Warriors was surprisingly a lot of fun to play, but I’m not sure how I feel about Heroes now that we’re out of its initial grace period and it’s starting to feel like any given gacha.
I am glad about Shadows of Valentia personally, because I think it was the best presentation we’ve seen from Fire Emblem, and I ultimately think (hope) that they will be able to return to the gameplay that has been one of the consistent strengths of the series while bringing that presentation with them. Of course, less optimistically, to your point, they also provided further evidence that we probably can’t trust them to write a coherent narrative, much less catch the lightning in a bottle that was Tellius a second time. I think I would rather they return to the less ambitious but at least coherent plots of the GBA games. Fire Emblem has been a horribly inconsistent series for some time though, following Tellius with the dreadful Shadow Dragon remake (and its less dreadful sequel), then Awakening and Fates, and now Shadows of Valentia. I feel like a lot of people thought that they had their niche cornered with the GBA games, if we weren’t going to expect them to pivot to Tellius-style epics. I’d like to see them release a few games styled after Blazing Sword or Sacred Stones and see where that takes the series.
I think Geneology has to be the next Echoes, if there is one (and there has to be, even if it’s not currently planned. The idea and brand are too good to waste). But Binding Blade could be about as likely, and I personally think it would benefit from the Echoes treatment a bit more than Geneology.
I really wish lissa would put up a fight for once
It’s been a good year for Fire Emblem. I can’t wait to see some FE Switch news next year.
oh boy a gauntlet with tharja in it after the last gauntlet with two tharjas in it
exciting
It was the best of times and the worst of times for Fire Emblem, I felt.
I’m glad the series is bigger than ever and we got no less than 3 Fire Emblem titles out this year…
…That said, it seems all the attention went to the mobile game, the spin-off, and the trading cards and FEESoV (I guess we’re not gonna call it FE15?) was forgotten in two months. I’m not angry or anything, just fascinated that the “main series” game was swept aside in favour of non-canon side projects. It’s really a far cry from Awakening’s treatment (or Fates’), we were talking about that for years after…
It does help to know the general consensus on FE15 is that it was too faithful to the weak aspects of FE2, or in other words it was a *well-polished feces.* I suppose that makes me a minority when I say Mae is my new favourite female FE character and that even if FE15 had bad bones, the immersion level was pretty awesome out of an FE game–the best (immersion) since FE10.
It does bug me that they’re shipping more the characters from Awakening and Fates these days than the peeps from the older games… Warriors is more guilty of that than the others, of course. I guess that’s to be expected, so I’m not really *that* bothered. I’ll just cherish my poor, obscure characters all alone. T_T
😉 I hope 2018 is an even better year for Fire Emblem!! That is, I hope FE Switch is awesome and has the great characters and mechanics we crave from our Fire Emblem.
Bruh. I don’t think you’ve noticed how much they secretly hate Roy. You’re hardly alone, we’re just crying on opposite sides of the door! But yeah, in all seriousness, it’s getting a touch ridiculous how much they push Awakening and Fates over just about all the other titles.
Way to start things off with a bang. Lots of orbs, let’s see if I can get a NY! Azura…and no…just the usual batch of Bartre, Barst, and Cecilia. Really hope IS demotes some more heroes into the 3/4* pool so that we can get more than the same 5 heroes.
I’m really hoping they’ll demote a bunch of heroes for the anniversary. Seems like it would be a good time to do it, and it’s not all that far away now either!
That’s it, not getting Gunnthrá or any of the New Years Heroes is where I draw the line, I’m saving my Orbs for a whole month! If I see any unimportant Banners, I’m skipping those, after my free summoning, of course!
Ugh! Don’t mention her. I got two Spring Chroms, which is something I guess, but I do feel cheated and Orb poor. Still, a flying singer… and I hate to think how many orbs I wasted for Performing Olivia.
8%….is Scam , 110 orbs ,0 heroes 5☆
I got Camilla and Azura, and I am happy with it.
Hahaha, my flying emblem team have only special units: Spring Camilla, Summer Corrin, New Year Camilla and New Year Azura.
Now I have Takumi too! I think this is the first time I got all heroes from a banner during it’s period.
I am thinking to give Takumi the Windsweep skill. He will use it well. Also, he will do a great pair with Gunnthrá.
Thank you, Serenesforest staff! It was a good year!
With New Year Azura, now we have 8 heroes with Dance/Sing. Can we have a Voting Gauntlet with all heroes with Dance and Sing abilities?
Gunter was my free pull…the irony is not lost on me -.-‘
I’ve defeated a few Brave Lyns with a Gunter this arena season XD
Aka the “Effective against Brave Lyn” Focus
Rhajat looks more like a Reinhardt counter to me.
Not that it’s hard baiting and defeating Reinhardt with any fast green mage with reasonable resistance.
As I 20 year fan I’m glad the franchise wasn’t axed with awakening which was the rumors. It’s definitely one of my favorite franchises of all time I just wish heroes and warriors didn’t focus so much on awakening and fates but hey I can’t complain
This VG is baffling me….I’m positive Lissa was of last minute multiply (which happened)…..I don’t hate her but this whole thing was off anyway definetly hope Azura wins this especially with her already big power and definite power of other migrating over even though it wasn’t the dream waifu match that should’ve happen.
Well, it looks like Tharja’s winning streak has come to an end, no third Voting Gauntlet victory for her. But, Azura is still gonna win, because I voted for her. Still, I’m impressed that Lissa beat Tharja, I guess the underdog does prevail sometimes.
Until she’s back in the next
Technically, it is because of an underdog thing, and it so happens that underdogs like Lissa can sometimes beat the one who’s mostly popular. But I doubt she can beat Azura in the finals.
Nope because of a multiplier which she massively relies on the ENTIRE time most not because of her being the “little guy” with support.
That’s exactly what I mean by an “underdog” thing. Even underdogs can win due to the multiplier.
Which again its stupid…..
Oh, please, if there were no multipliers, then it wouldn’t be a fair fight, would it?
Probably a salty supporter thats losing its ok….also legit popularity through points is better than some cheap crutch because a character is not really popular…
Hey, It’s Paralogue 7: Part 3 on lunatic for the -Clear P7-3 on Lunatic- Quest (as the name says, haha)
And yeah, I know some people is happy to see Tharja lose, but it was unfair- Lissa was in bonus like 80% of the time. Oh well.
Which is dumb likely elitist that can’t stand obvious popularity
The bonus multiplier is a terrible way to handle things in the VG. It makes the popular side feel robbed if they loose and the underdog feel unaccomplished for winning since nothing is earned. It also makes the entire round up until the final few hours pointless since the winner is determine by whoever has the bonus multiplier for the final hour (or 2 in the more extreme cases).
Didn’t expect Team Lissa to win either round 1 or 2, but what do you know. I’ve contributed my fair share.
If she wins the gauntlet that’ll be the first time I was on the winning team for all three rounds.
And here I was planning to join Robin or Tharja after Lissa lost to either one of them.
Yay more Crystals and Shards… Refining stones would be nice.
5 minutes of new content
I’m sure the revival and new orbs are useful for some people, but out kind of feels like they’re wanting for content right now
Don’t mind at all – free orbs!
At least they should give us new orbs by completing again. I already completed this BHB before, I cannot get the orbs by completing again. I only got the orbs from the quests.
In January 15th the Happy New Year will complete 2 weeks, so we will propably see a new banner. But, in my opinion, it will not be something for the game anniversary yet. We will probably have a FEH Channel near the end of the month with more information about the game’s anniversary.
Also, we never spent a whole month without a game update… We’re still in version 2.0. The game’s anniversary will brings us the 2.1 version, I think…
I believe there will be another legendary hero banner near the end of this month. At least, it was said that January would hold another opportunity to get Fjorm and Gunnthra.
Again?! ….
I will say this… trying to rank top 5,000 in TT is getting far more difficult with this much new content being released. It’s not even a matter of stamina and potions anymore, just the amount of time I have to play the game! I’m perfectly fine with a small lull in new content if they really amp it up at the anniversary; the game will feel far more fresh then. Regardless, more orbs are ALWAYS welcome.
HahahahahahatheythinkIhavetimeforBHBswhenIote’sShieldSacredSealisathing
Wait… You didn’t got Iote’s shield yet?
IKR i’d understand if its heavy blade but… if you do 1 team clears of TT, 3 times per day, you shpuld be close or at heavy blade by now.
The thing is that I use two separate accounts on Heroes, one for each of my NNIDs, but only have one iPod and so switch between the two accounts once a week to try and keep up with content. It means, among other things, that I always miss half of a Voting Gauntlet with each account as my switchover day has to be Thursday due to my schedule, meaning it’s right in the middle of any Gauntlet they run. In addition, the account switching combined with the fact that I only have an iPod not an iPhone and thus can only play when I have access to both free time and WiFi means that I have difficulty getting even to Iote’s Shield, since the main place I get WiFi is my work so I only have time to do maybe one TT run a day because I have to do it on break.
Yeah… I understood your situation. I didn’t get why you have 2 accounts, but I got why you do nto have time to play. I got surprised they decided to do a Voting Gauntlet and a Tempest Trial at the same time, because it never happened before.
*sigh* The content train seems to keep on missing its stop (and don’t fool yourselves, Tempest Trials, Voting Gauntlets, BHB Revival, and GHB Reruns do NOT count as new content. Its the same monotonous stuff). But you guys do know there’s a way you can cheese through getting 100,000 points? I reached it 2 days ago and my friend who showed me reached it like a week ago. Just do you typical 2 battles on the x3 point multipliers on the hardest level. Then, just Auto Battle your way through the TT doing the 3rd hardest from the top difficulty. I forgot what settings you need to put it on, but my friend showed me a way to set it up so that you can do auto battle continuously without having to go back each battle. Then, once 5 maps are done, do it again (obviously be doing something else while doing this. Multi-task people). Make sure you have a healer on your team (without an attack skill, so they just heal), and make sure your other 3 have enough ability to tank at least most hits on their own when the computer decides to put them in stupid positions. A bonus unit would make things go smoother. Because each battle I get around 430 points with my Christmas Chrom. Just keep on repeating. You just need a bunch of stamina pots (I still like have around 160).
The set is titled “Raging Deluge” but has nothing to do with Azura or Fates…
*sniff* …They’re finally learning…
Yeah….keeping “busy” with the Anna quests. I’m sure that’ll take a whole…hour maybe?
Boy, I really hope they have a cool banner trailer ready for Friday.
Yikes – after the Tempest Trial and Re hash of the bound hero battle I was expecting something interesting like maybe Corrin, but this? Thats quite a lot of Anna work for a couple of measily orbs.
Looks like we’re in a bit of a slow period. I honstly don’t think this is too much cause for alarm, though. I’d rather just wait and see what the anniversary holds. I’ll be shocked if they don’t host a Feh Channel just prior to it. And as far as I’m concerned, Feh Channel hasn’t disappointed yet, so I’ll await it patiently. Not gonna call the game’s doom just yet, I think it’s a little too soon for that.
It’s likely that between whatever they do for New Year Corrin (unless Corrin is the anniversary gift) and the possible legendary hero banner coming, they aren’t totally dead in the water, but this slow patch is a little irritating, if only because it was avoidable. The only argument in favor of concern is the survey, which frankly suggested to me that they have no idea what they’re doing (because of the content not because of the survey existing). You might also think it was a bit unwise to go so long without a story update after the way they revealed Book 2
I can sympathize or agree with most of this, but I don’t quite see how the survey is indicative of them having no idea what they’re doing. You’re referring to them pitching ideas for new game modes and such to the player and asking for ideas of their own, I would guess? Given how the game’s been doing since it launched, I don’t (yet) feel all that inclined to doubt the dev team on their ability to expand and improve the game. I can’t be sure, of course, but I like to think that they were going to do a survey regardless, just to see where the game stands right now and what the public perception is like. At that point, why not ask those players if they have any thoughts and ideas? Might as well, seems like a good opportunity.
I think it’s always great to have surveys. For me, the issue was that the game modes they proposed were so wildly different from the kind of game we have currently. For example, everyone gets a town and gets to go and invade other people’s towns? That’s not even vaguely Fire Emblem. I guess there’s no harm in asking, and I’m not terribly familiar with gacha games, but it seems odd that this was even a suggestion, if they have their content planned out a long way as you’d hope. I didn’t think their other suggestions were anymore seamlessly applicable. I could add that nothing they suggested seems to address issues players appear to currently have with the game, but for me, the survey is merely evidence of concerning behavior. It does not prove it conclusively by any means and I’m not going to be alarmist about it. It’s just a primary reason that there’s a little bit of doubt in the back of my mind about their forethought and the sustainability of the model.
I know this is a little off topic, (and I do not mean to disrespect you by doing this) but you should try trimming the fat on your word usage.
If the handling of Gunnthrá had been better, or even if the TT reward character had been new I’d be a little more forgiving. Even an interesting banner to spice things up on a dreary grey midwinter tuesday morning would have helped. This just feels tedious.
I actually enjoy these little breaks because it gives me time to breath. I can continue to try and beat chain challenege 11 & 12 or finally get shards for sacred seals. Never a moment wasted 🙂
That comic… I just want to give my baby a hug! <3
And yay, some Radiant Dawn representatives! 😀
I’m a huge Tellius fanboy, so I’m super hyped for this. You bet I’m pulling. I really wanna have Micaiah especially. Wouldn’t mind Sothe or Zelgius, either, though.
micaiah and sothe. passing on zelgius
i’m glad that they’ve addressed the VG no weapon schenaniganz
Not a fan of Micaiah’s 28 speed (stats were leaked), but her skills are freaking awesome. Sothe with the Smoking Rogue dagger is pretty sweet, too.
Honestly, 28 Speed is faster than I expected her to be, given what her Speed growth in Radiant Dawn looks like…
True, but Heroes doesn’t always directly adhere to the previous games, such as Seth going from best to worst.
I managed to pull a Micaiah, but -att/+def. Not great for someone who can’t double.
Heroes more often tries to emulate stat *distribution* rather than overall performance. Not always – sometimes they divert for the sake of diversity or for a particular gimmick – but fairly often nonetheless. If Seth were as good as he was in SS, he would be able to solo most of the stuff in the game, and that’d be a problem for obvious reasons.
In terms of distribution, though, Seth is quite accurate to how he is in Sacred Stones, with a well-balanced stat spread across the board, only with a dip in Resistance. The only inaccuracy, really, is how he has relatively low HP in Heroes, despite having a very high growth in Sacred Stones.
I am really surprised with this update. I did not expect it. My main goal in this banner is Sothe. And I still wait for refined Falchions in the game.
Also, a new Tempest Trial Mini are coming. It has Takumi in the logo, so I expect New Year Corrin to be the reward.
Finally! I’ve been waiting so patiently for Micaiah, and they didn’t even ruin her art! I don’t love it, but I’ll take it. With her, I’ll have pretty much rounded the cast of characters I was hoping to pick up (unless they plan on giving us Naesala or Lyon). I’d be really into a Haar, actually. Also, credit to the person who said Micaiah would be blue.
Generally it’s quite easy to pinpoint the colour of units. For Miccy in particular, I really couldn’t see her as red or green.
I still have a few I want, and I guess Lyon is one of those. Could see him as a TT reward. But really, Marisa is what I’m waiting for.
If it is, then I’m not good at it. I could’ve been convinced she was any color.
There are others I’d like to have, but I’m trying to manage my expectations based on who they might add and whether I can pull them. Marisa doesn’t strike me as one of their more obvious choices (I do think we need Duessel as another axe horse though), but maybe she’s more popular than I think. In any case, I’ll hope we see her, for your sake.
No, I doubt she’s more popular than any of the other myrm girls. In fact, Lyn, Mia, Ira, Hana & Fir are already in, and I feel as if Lakche, Machua and Mareeta are more popular within that particular archetype. That said, while Amelia is a popular character, her inclusion didn’t really make sense if you looked at the ones she shared banner with. So the next FE8 banner could very well include her, although I’m putting my money on Myrrh since we could use more manaketes. That or another Grado general as you said.
Honestly, I see another FE8 banner being -another dragon loli- Myrrh, -fan favorite- L’archel (most likely as a healer with high ATK and RES stats, but comes with Candelight because on both routes you recruit her she comes with the Torch Staff). For the boys I would go with -mancandy- Cormag (plus he would be the first male wyvern rider in Heroes….that wasn’t evil), and either Ewan, Ross, or Dussel.
Micaiah’s Sacrifice skill is a double-edged sword. You can heal a ally a lot, but it can put Micaiah in danger.
What about using it with Vantage? Michaiah can likely one shot Lyn and Rein regardless, and it’s a perfect chance to line them up!
That’s a good idea. We only need to be careful with physical units.
The powercreep, it disgusts me.
Good thing Oliver is here to make the game more bearable to look at.
Micaiah is a hard meta counter to all the armor and horsies…and Zelgius is yet another line in the gradual BTS power creeping. Sothe, like with NY!Takumi, is trying soooo hard to be meta relevant.
Also, Oliver’s damaged illustration, it is beautiful.
Fun fact – provided that the calcs that a buddy of mine ran are accurate – in her base kit, if you were to stick Deflect Missile 3 on her, Micaiah can actually counter Brave Bow Brave Lyn up to some extent of merges and buffs. It’s not infallible, but just the fact that she *can* do this to some extent is just really funny to me. Mulagir is no problem, because she’ll take that one hit thanks to Thani, and just bomb Lyn into oblivion right after.
“Heroes without a weapon” Uhh what
Some people intentionally remove the weapon from their Voting Gauntlet Lead either to sabotage the team they joined because they actually want the other guy to win or else because they run a Staff Lead and don’t want it attacking for whatever reason. There are also those who do so unintentionally, like people trying to grind SP off the Warrior maps.
Okay that makes sense to me now, thanks
*sees comic* its ok my wife I’m here *hugs*
Damaged Oliver has brought beauty back to this game…truly beautiful.
350 orbs (my entire stash) and one incidental Sothe later, I have her. She’s +DEF/-ATK and I don’t even care. Now excuse me while I go sob
Goodness, only two 5*s? Did you snipe for her? I only have about 120 orbs so I decided not to pull this time, better off waiting for something I want more.
Ah not quite. There was also a Brave Lucina and a Tana in there, but I didn’t think they were relevant and they aren’t much of a consolation, if I’m honest. I don’t really use the Brave Lucina I already have, and I prefer Valter as my lance flier
This was my first and last time I am willing to spend heavy cash for a banner, 350 orbs later 2 Micaiah(+Def/-Spd; +ATK/-Def), 2 Sothe (+Spd/-Def ; +Spd/-Res) , 2 Zelgius (-Atk/+Def; +Res/-Hp).
Have to say though those three are very strong, Micaiah Amor/Rider Killer, Sothe the perfect blade supporter and Zelgius the feared OP unit from Radiant Dawn.
Honestly I just wanted Micaiah, she was one of my fav units in FE Radiant Dawn, in every run I’d max her.
Only Oliver (Champion of Beauty) then the RD team is set, still dissapointed that he doesn’t have a personal tome (Valaura e.g.)
In 60 Orbs, I got a 5-stars Nephenee (Wrath is always good to have), a 5-stars Roderick (I didn’ have him yet, so that’s a good thing), and a +Atk/-Def Sothe (He is the one I wanted).
I will try to get Micaiah, but I am already happy with my results.
First banner pull: 5* Ayra, 5* Seth, and Micaiah.
+Atk/-Spd Micaiah think I got a great one!
160 orbs but I finally got Michaiah, +Spd -HP. Was worth it for me as she was my first Lord in the series, but be cautious people.
Although I am slightly disappointed Gunnthra didn’t appear as a free unit, it seems that she’ll join the main party much later. At that point I think you’ll get her for free. Not my best session. 100 orbs and I only got 1 Micaiah with decent IVs (+def -res). Would’ve wanted Sothe, but I can get pitied by him or try for him in another banner.
To be fair, it wouldn’t make sense for Gunnthrá to join you now. Granted, I’m not expecting it to happen to begin with, but it *could* still happen. Remember, story-wise, the Askr group is now travelling to Nifl, but haven’t made it there yet. Gunnthrá is at Nifl. If they intend to give us a free Gunnthrá at some point at all, it’ll probably only be once the Askrians actually reach Nifl.
Still wouldn’t hold my breath, though.
I do expect her or at least or one wind legendary hero to be free because if water blessing can be a TT reward then so can wind blessing
I blew my stash of 80 orbs, and ended up with a Sothe. He’s +HP/-Atk though…
I drew a second Sothe on the very next draw, at least this one is +Spd/-Atk
My first pull was a 5* Sakura and a Regular Ike. Not too bad!
A free special unit is always good. Now I want to know about the sacred seals. My hopes are for a new smoke seal or a ploy seal.
speed smoke and flashing blade are a possibility
Tempest trial mini only gives duplicate seals for new players who missed out
Hey, that’s cool too – I missed quite a bit early on and could use a second shot!
That’s not true. In the first Tempest Trial Mini, we got Distant Def sacred seal. At least one of the 3 seals of this TT mini will be a new one.
Seeing as we’ve only had one mini TT and that old SS are forgable after some time in the SS forge, I doubt that they’ll rerun old seals. Plus we got a new seal in Hector’s TT. One more thing. Someone hacked the time in the game and was able to find special maps that unlock refining stones
Of all things I got a crappy IV Luke off my free summon (-Spd/+Res).
At least he’s premium fodder?
At least it was a free summon… I once got a -HP/+Res one as a pity breaker…
wait who is that! i dont think ive ever seen that red haired pegasus knight
that’s Hinoka
Y’know, this is the first time that a free unit you get gives a generous 40% scoring bonus. All the other free units like Masked Marth, Clive, Black Knight, etc., only give 20%. I call this a generous gift for all players to have.
14th is sunday. Is it Tuesday or 14th?
Guess I’ll get my answer in an hour …
It starts on Tuesday the 16th. The correct date is shown in the info page you can access from the bulletin board on your castle in the app.
This is not a hard Grand Hero Battle. Both Hard and Lunatic I won in my first try. Infernal I won in my second try.
Also, Mirror Strike 2 at 4 stars is great! Now I have 2 Mirror Strikes to use in someone.
I have to aggree, it was the same for me. Hard and Lunatic on first try and Infernal I had to give it a second.
While Mirror Strike 2 at 4 stars is great, I’m also really happy about Atk Ploy, even though it’s locked to 5 stars. That’s because I don’t want to fodder my only Katarina and I don’t have any Summer Leo. And I won’t even feel bad for using him as fodder lol
I had a lot of fun Gravity trolling this map. Oliver entertains me to no end, but I don’t think I’m going to use him
Mirror Strike 2 is a great skill to inherit so easy GHB good reward!
This battle is so not fun. I cant beat lunatic lol. I used 3 stam pots to try this thing
Wasn’t that difficult honestly, did hard and lunatic on my first go and infernal took a few tries as I figured out how to trial and error it. Mirror strike is a decent for SI, but not too impressive, but I’ll take the free heroes and feathers.
I’m so happy this is in the works. Been wanting to play this game for ages!
I’m grateful for the people doing it 🙂
Who else has gone back to playing Tear Ring Saga because of this news?
Me haha.
The are… not really alike though? Berwick Saga is such a weird game (in a very good way) that it is pretty much its own thing, while TRS is much more FE-esque.
That damaged art though…
This is megaton! I have played the game with the Chinese translation and it is such a delightfully refreshing game, especially for FE veterans who want something different. I will be thrilled if more English speakers gets to play this wonderful game and am looking forward to more active discussion of the game once this translation project comes to fruition in the future. Kudos to everyone involved, you guys are doing Naga’s work:) Keep it up.
Can’t wait to see who gets kidnapped and turned into a sex slave in THIS Saga game! Or what (assuredly very high) percentage of the female playable cast are very specifically age 15!
I really liked this TT. The maps are fun, which is not something I could say from the last one.
I am not sure about Seal Atk, but Def Ploy is a great seal, and QUICK RIPOSTE?! Amazing!
Also, this is the first time a seasonal unit is a free unit and this is the first time we see a 4-stars seasonal unit too.
Not to mention this is the first time the free Unit ISN’T Red.
Well, Clive actually, whom I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of, surprisingly
Oh, yeah, forgot about him. I wondered where I managed to get mine from when I sent him home. My bad!
No worries, I understand he’s not a particularly memorable unit. I tried to get the most out of him and found with 40 defense and Swordbreaker, he can be called in to check Ayra and such during Arena Assault. Although, the trenches look like they will change that
Uh, no, Clive is the real first unit who isn’t red. Get it straight.
…You do realize someone else addressed this like 12 hours before you, right?
You do realize you never noticed the obvious before, right?
I’m just trying to figure out why you replied to my comment in the first place when someone else already corrected me, and was checking to see if you had missed seeing the comment. There’s no call to try and bite my head off for that, though I will admit I should have worded it in a nicer fashion and apologize for that.
– Def Ploy and QR seals
I think I just heard something collapse in the distance… Sounds like… the meta…
My thoughts exactly…though it’s been collapsing for a while with Heavy Blade becoming a SS and Quicken Pulse way back allowing for Reinhardt Moonbow shenanigans…the meta will perpetually be breaking.
Legit that you get Corrin pretty much on your first completion if you do the highest difficult.
Was pretty sure Flashing Blade would get released next, but oh well.
Finally, I can get a free New Year’s Corrin, and I can get a Quick Riposte Sacred Seal?! Oh hell yeah!
Quick Riposte *O*
I am gonna keep all the orbs for the next banner. Sorry Micaiah, next time I will try to summon you… but for now, I prefer not.
Also, I want to know what type of Legendary Hero we will have next. Gunnthrá is a great unit. My duo Gunnthrá and NY!Takumi with Smoke Dagger are doing a amazing job in Arena.
From January 30 to March 13, we will have the EARTH season for blessings. When Fjorm was released, we had 5 weeks with Wind Season, and when Gunnthrá was released we had 5 weeks Water Season. Having 5 weeks of Earth Season probably means the next Legendary Hero will be a Earth Hero. And he/she is coming probably in the last week of January.
Wait…the Water Legendary had five weeks with Wind and vice versa?
Here, I got this from FE Heroes Wikia.
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But you said the five Wind Seasons coincided with Fjorm’s release in your first comment, while here it’s five Water Seasons coinciding with Fjorm. Just wanted to double-check that, thank you for the followup.
Yes… I made a mistake. hahaha
What is your build for Gunnthra and how are you employing her? I got one from my free summon on her banner (first time I got lucky with a free summon) but I haven’t really found a good use for her yet, still using my 4*+8 Cecilia, at least on horsie emblem.
I use Gunnthrá in 2 different teams: a horse emblem team and a varied team.
Her best use is in the varied team, because I also use my New Year Takumi, with Refined Smoke Dagger+ and Windsweep. After attack, Takumi will inflicts Atk/Spd/Def/Res-6 on the target and foes within 2 spaces of target. Because he has Windsweep, most of the enemies will not counterattack him (espectially the unit who received the Spd-6 from Gunnthrá’s Chilling Seal). Now, Gunnthrá will do more damage on enemies, thanks to her Blizzard Tome. With a Dancer, she can kill 2 units in the same turn. I can easily kill units like Black Knight, Hector and Brave Lyn with this.
Thanks for the information, I’ll give it a try if I ever have a proper debuffer.
As for easily taking care of Hector and Brave Lyn, my Cecilia can usually do that too 🙂 at least on a horsie team.
Outside of that Nino is still my go to green tome user. Kills basically anything.
Yolo’d Hector lol, gonna merge or give his Distant Counter to someone
A new banner type is a refreshing change of pace, and I hope this means IS will experiment with more kinds in the future. I’d be particularly happy with a summoning focus inspired by LLSIF’s Step-Up Scouting, where there are three incremental stages of summoning with the last guaranteeing a 5 star. Focuses that restrict the pool to specific entries of the franchise would also be great.
Sweet, a chance to get Roy for TA fodder…5* Ogma and a bunch of unsalvageable 3*s…ok IS, please screw with my expectations.
Forget it, I’m not spending my Orbs on this Banner, I’m not falling for that bait!
I love this banner idea. I would love it even more if the 4* units were exclusive like the legendary banners. Even still, I pulled 3 Hinata, 3 Setsuna, and 3 Klein on relatively few orbs. With all the 5* I have and the relatively paltry chance of pulling them, I actually prefer getting value this way
Hm… no, thanks. I will keep my orbs until the next main banner.
Faye’s face looking around for Alm and Tobin and Gray’s expressions…I freaking love this Manga.
As for the Summoning Focus…you finally have 4S Focus Units and you waste spaces on Laslow and Barst? Like most of these things, I’ll take my free shot and pass the rest up waiting for Idunn and Limstella.
This is a great idea, it really is, but frankly I need to hold onto my orbs for now. Still, this was a pretty creative idea and frankly I would love to see this again, maybe with less fodderable units but starring units that come at 4 and 5 star that are decent but not amazing?
Oh Faye, if only you didn’t have psycho mush for brains….
Great work translating. And… mobile game stuffs! (I just don’t play it, chaps and lasses… I’m too much a stick in the mud. DX)
This is hype, Lyon GHB, new banners, free stuff, another tempest trial mini and a new CYL? I’m assuming that, while they won’t discourage people from choosing the characters they want, they’ll probably refrain from making more versions of past winners so as to not get repetitive. Already know which characters I’m focusing on for my vote: Ranulf, Tibarn, Shinnon, Benny (all hale the one true god), Camilla, Nino, Jaffar, Tethys, Gerick.
I think I’m missing the point of a new CYL. Wouldn’t the characters who scored just below the winners be overwhelmingly likely to win this time around? I mean, I’ll vote for my laguz favorites (Naesala, Ranulf, Skrimir, Reyson, etc.), but it’s hard to see them overcoming Tharja, Camilla, Chrom, etc.
I think the people who vote will be different this time. Previously it was the old FE fanbase, this time it’ll also include all those players who’ve only heard of it since Fire Emblem Heroes was released. Who knows, maybe they’ll even exclude certain characters.
Maybe they’ll also include the FEH original characters.
That’s a good point. I was reading elsewhere that people planned to vote based on who wasn’t already in the game. That would make me feel better. Brave Tharja just doesn’t have the same ring to it
What would imo be really interesting is if they’d exclude all characters who have already been released, but that might get some bad reactions XD
I wouldn’t mind but Camilla, Tharja, Hector and Chrom will skyrocket not that I’m complaining I love these characters! 🙂
I think I would prefer that too, if the CYL event was actually to determine who should be added to the game
On the subject of FE characters not from the main FE games, why not the Banana Twins from Warriors? Just to troll the entire fanbase.
Oh dear, please don’t say that!
If any are excluded it’ll just be Lyn, Ike, Roy and Lucina but that might not be fair to fans even if it might result the same besides placements. I do wonder if the heroes characters will be added if so I’m going Fjorm she seems very popular since her debut.
Very true
NEW Vote for your favorite Fates character! Top 4 will be turned into Legendary Heroes.
As it turns out, they are indeed including Heroes’ original characters.
Granted, I’d say they have very little chance of getting to the top, but it’ll be curious all the same.
Looks like it’s going to be busy playing FEH the next few weeks. Also, Lyon!
So many summoning events not so many orbs~~ ;O;)/
This is great! Let’s see…
Lyon is the next GHB, and he will probably have the Naglfar Tome. I think he will be a red tome user, because dark magic is represented in Heroes as a red tome.
I searched about “Shrouded by the Storm” thinking it could be the name of a chapter in some game, but nothing. The near thing I got is Chapter 3-2 of Radiant Dawn, “Stormclouds”.
I recommend the players do what I will do: wait until Jan 30th to spend orbs. I will see what units will appear on the Legendary Banner to decide on each banner spend my orbs.
About the “Movement Skills”, I will probably have units with some “Warp” skill, like Flier Formation, Guidance, Wings of Mercy, Escape Route or even Warp Powder. (My hopes are for Elincia in this banner).
The “Three Heroes” quest will be the traditional three 3-stars free heroes.
And about the CYL 2… I hope they will do something like the CYL 1 winner could not be able to win again. I do noy want another version of Ike or Lyn. I would like to see a Robin / Celica with a Levin Sword / Beloved Zofia, or a Tome user Lissa / Sakura, with visual like Emmeryn / Mikoto.
For some reason I think Lyon will be a blue tome, but I base that on nothing but a gut feeling 😀
I hope so. Blue tomes are obviously more valuable right now. We did just have Oliver though
Yes, that also gave me pause, but somehow Lyon just “feels” like he should be a blue tome. We’ll find out for sure soon enough.
I think Lyon will be a Red tome, every dark mage/shaman so far has been red while the light mages have been mainly blue with the Naga girls being green.
I do not know. We had Oliver as a blue tome user this month.
Wow they’re giving us Lyon, basically my favorite character in Fire Emblem. I really wasn’t expecting that. Definitely means the new heroes will be from Sacred Stones. That said, the rest of it isn’t really too exciting for me, because it doesn’t look like there’s a lot of opportunities to earn orbs here, certainly not to the degree to participate in the coming banners (four of them!). So, seeing as I currently have no orbs, I’ll probably be watching from the sidelines for just about all of this.
Here goes nothing for spamming Marisa votes. Might put some for Lakche, Ethlin and Azel as well.
Same here, though I’ll be aiming for Idunn, Limstella, or Nagi instead. Best of luck!
Idoun is someone I’d consider backing as well. Good call. Think I’m gonna do that.
Not like it’ll matter though. We all know what kind of characters will pull through in the end. At least I hope our obscure characters will find solace in that some people like them, lol.
Yeah, you’re probably right, but I’ll hope anyways.
Honestly thought it’s been around longer 😛
It would be cool if we could have divine dragons in the CYL
Well, on the first CYL you could vote for Ashera, Yune, and Ashunera in the Radiant Dawn section~
I only voted for Micaiah and Mia, so I dont now about others.
After some research I found Naga on place 213.
Maybe I vote for Mist from Radiant Dawn this time, just in case we don´t get Xander reruns again.
And like 40 stamina pots later….
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Not that difficult
Same, which is why for these kinds of challenges I try to only use units that I rarely use, else it would be way too easy with my OP units like B!Lyn or P! Azura. I try to spread the love a bit.
Free stuff, I use this stuff rather sparingly though. I’ve only refined I think 5 generic weapons and haven’t done so for legendary, I just haven’t really put the time in to figure out builds for some of those characters or they just have unfavorable IVs (ATK Lyn and Minerva…rip). Shards/Crystals at this point are kinda pointless for me, I have tens of thousands of them just sitting in my inventory (500K for the universal ones ) and I rarely use them. I will however always greedily take those orbs.
Of the legendary weapons I’ve only refined Ephraim’s. I know what you mean, it’s “work” to figure out whose weapon to refine, since the resources are pretty limited. Same with the sacred coins for me.
I used to use the shards, before they switched the 3* and 4* summoning rates, to level up 3* versions of characters quickly, where I needed a skill they got at 4*, I was just too lazy to level them to lvl 20 to promote every time 😀 but the crystals are just collecting digital dust in my inventory as well…
@Kirie: The quests feature 100 Great Badges each btw, not crystals.
Thanks, I’ll get it fixed. 🙂
The only Legendary Weapon I refined was the Sol Katti. I hope the 2.2 update bring us the refined versions of Alfonse’s Fólkvangr, Sharena’s Fensalir and Anna’s Nóatún.
Are some of the buttons broken or is it just me? I can’t click left/right to cycle through the games, and the “menu” button won’t work either. Clicking any of these just snaps my view back to the top of the webpage but has no other effect.
works fine for me yo
Tried updating Flash Player. Still not working. I’m stuck on Shadow Dragon and can’t select any other games.
maybe it’s the web browser you are currently using? I was able to vote on both my phone and PC using Chrome
Yeah, I switched my browser and it worked. Weird, since the last poll worked just fine on Firefox.
Firefox has it moments sadly… Which is why I switched to Chrome and never looked back.
I’m having the same issue as this person, and using Chrome.
vote for Caeldori!
Voted Kjelle.
Logically speaking, though, the winners will be Tharja, Camilla, Takumi, and Hector.
I think it could be Chrom instead of Takumi tbh, since the last one he did score higher
I hope it’s not Camilla, I’m so tired of her
That’s you and a few not me!
Celica for sure
Tharja, Camilla, Chrom, and Hector
sigh… I remember the days when Kagero and Takumi were op (as were Mrobin, Camilla?, and plenty of others)… now I never see either of them in arena… WHY POWER CREEP? WHY?!
Oh yeah, Takumi was only number 8 in the last poll. Chrom is more likely.
The shortened voting period is driving me crazy, because I managed to fit all my favourite characters into the previous CYL (none won) and now I have to decide who not to vote for amongst them.
Bracing myself for the end of CYL 2 when I find out none of them won and my poor heart breaks again.
unofficial reddit polls says that ephraim, hector, nino and celica are at the moment most popular. reinhardt and eirika are third place. marth and camilla fourth
I would actually be pretty okay with this, given the range of possible outcomes
That’s so interesting. I expect Heroes to make a significant impact on the results of this poll, especially characters from Japan-only titles, as seen there with Reinhardt. I expect Hector and Tharja to still be the winners, but I think the other top male and female are up for grabs. This will certainly have a much smaller response count, with voters being the more dedicated fanbase. It’ll be neat to see how that and timing makes a difference, especially for Fates characters.
I don’t think the reddit is going to accurately represent the player base
Went with Naesala on day 1. It looks like my picks will be mostly, or all, Tellius characters (though I wish they wouldn’t have doubles of the recurring characters). I’m also trying to pick characters who aren’t in the game already
I’m doing the same. My first pick was Geoffrey
Same here. All Tellius Characters. I think I would most like to see Haar out of all the characters not in FEH yet but I’d really love to have a Laguz added to the game too. That needs to happen. I checked and the laguz that got the most votes last time was Tibarn. I’ll take any Laguz Royal though.
Yep. I’m tentatively voting Naesala, Skrimir, Haar, Ranulf, Stefan, Reyson, and Bastian. But those last three are very tentative. I would take Tibarn certainly, but I’m a little disappointed for the lack of appreciation for Naesala
I’m hoping for an update that just drops a dozen or two new units in the game, focusing on beast-characters as a new unit type.
So many small fry like Sumia, Illyana and Wil are still missing and this trickle of releasing small banners is getting irksome.
Interesting they didn’t include the original characters from Warriors in this poll. I guess they consider Heroes characters to be official FE characters because they’re made in-house at Intelligent Systems whereas Rowan, Lianna, Darios, etc. are made by Koei Tecmo.
Yep the Heroes characters are official characters
This dissapointed me, if only because I wanted Tank-Anna in Heroes…
I wonder why they banned radiant dawn ike personally. They made it a point to consider him a different character then PoR Ike and now he’s banned. At least Wyrs is still available 😉
I think they just wanted different characters to win the poll. Masked Marth is also removed so Lucina couldn’t win again either.
Because they want different winners to keep it more varied.
Then why bother making ike from each game a separate character the first time round? That’s the source of confusion. Something that was established the first time around has been contradicted. I say all this as someone who wasn’t gonna be voting for ike as well
I don’t see why they separate Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn at all. They aren’t different characters, they’re progressions of the same ones. In many cases, that’s what makes them memorable
Because its literally the same character just aged so like say if Hector wins his father form in Binding Blade will be excluded for next time.
Distinguishing between Radiant Dawn Ike and Path of Radiance Ike is difficult when he’s wearing a new outfit, but they wanted to know what game fans preferred his character? As well as any other character in multiple games. Best guess I got.
Brave Ike was Radiant Dawn ike.
Or really, more like Ike between games. Making him a bit of both versions.
Love how this banner has 2-3/4 of the characters that’s gonna do very well lol
We need Male Robin to win! Let him return as the Levin Sword wielder!!!
Camilla (screw you she’s an interesting character), Benny (he’s a god), Tibarn and Ranulf (we need beast units), Tethys (another of my top 5 waifus), Gerik (he’s da best Sacred Mcguffins character), and Laevateinn (villain characters are awesome in this game, she’s also best Heroes original waifu).
That’s a beautiful artwork of Caeda!
The art is by Benimaru Itoh, who has been collaborating with Nintendo for decades. The guitar harp she’s playing is an instrument he actually uses in a band.
I would probably kill for the Softly with Grace track
Hector, hands down
I’ll take 90 copies, thanks
I’ve started with Cordelia ✌️
Following with Reinhardt, Hector, and maybe Leo
It’s funny to see Caeda is using a Fire Emblem Themed Guitar, but I did seen that guitar is combined with the harp that I just wondered how will that actually work?
Man that cover art of Caeda is just gorgeous. Shame the concerts are still relegated to Japan, would love to attend one myself someday.
Only 1 orb for Squad Assault is not a good reward, but thanks Mila the mission is not in Squad Assault 2 or 4. I still didn’t complete 2 and 4. I hate the final maps!
Just did 4 last week with armor emblem on the final map. With any other units I would’t have survived. Spent 5 potions.
So far, they’ve been one day late on the events, compared to their own calendar. That’s a little awkward, but I guess we shouldn’t expect the new banner tomorrow, especially since they haven’t teased it yet, or Lyon until Friday
The maps aren’t exactly released a day late. The updates come out at 11 pm Pacific which is 3 am the next day Eastern.
Hmmm fair enough, though I don’t think the time difference has resulted in a delay for me before. I assume they’re just releasing them a little later then? I feel like I’m used to seeing new content at 4am, which would mean a release right as the date turns, which seems right
Lyon is listed in the Fire Emblem Heroes Wikia as a Red Tome user, which in my opinion is right. Red tome is used for fire and dark magic, blue tome is used for thunder and light magic, and green tome is used for wind magic.
I want.
Maybe they should find a new method of doing these… otherwise we are just sliding through year ones list four characters a time every year…
Then again, I guess that is sort of the point…
I think Reinhardt-san-sama-senpai-kun will have a good chance this time~
Vote for Micaiah!
I know this is a underwhelming set of quests, but we are about to get a new banner and GHB in the next few days and then major update for the anniversary in another week following. I’m ok with this, it builds hype and so long as they deliver on that hype I’ll be happy.
I think it depends on what you’re hyped for. At this point, I don’t care as much about a bunch of new characters I’m unlikely to get when I already have a full roster of characters that I like. My problem right now is the game doesn’t give me a lot to do with all the characters I’ve accumulated. We’re at the mercy of the developers for everything, and stuff like this is just the worst of it: quick, lazy, and cheap.
While I like new banners depending on the characters in that banner, I agree. I’m hoping that the anniversary comes with it new additions that will allow me to use more of the heroes I have. For example, I want to actually be able to do stuff with my “friends.”
WOW! A new version of Eirik. That is a surprise… but not entirely unwelcome. I think this marks the first time we’ve had a new unit based on an existing unit (not counting the Choose Your Own Legends winners). Could this set a trend for the future? I like Eirik–I was looking forward to a new and improved version, but I don’t want to see this become a trend since there are SO many Fire Emblem characters yet to be represented.
What about seasonals?
With the exception of seasonals. Seasonal units were a given, but this is the first time we’ve gotten a repeat character in a normal banner.
OK, Zelgius, and the Tikis, and the Corrins. (Not the Robins, as the second one was a GHB)
Hm, Zelgius. With a mask and without a mask. We could say that Lucina and Masked Lucina are duplicate as well, but at least Black Knight and Masked Lucina were special awards, not featured in rollable banners. The Tikis are also far enough in years, appearance, and personality that I judge them to be different characters. And the male and female Corrins are separate characters due to a completely different appearance and gender. This new Eirika is of the same age and personality as the old one. There is no alter ego. And they are both featured in banners.
A minor grievance of mine is that Heroes straight up just spoiled the Black Knight’s identity by showing Zelgius wearing BK’s armour rather than his usual red one.
Given how many new fans the 3DS games and Heroes brought in, I’m fairly certain there were a good bit of people who haven’t played RD but were looking forward to doing so.
Very interesting. I’ll definitely want Eirika and Myrrh. I hope my 130 orbs will be enough to get them as well as keep some ready for the Legendary Hero banner.
So, two Story chapters in a row? That’s great! That might be a first. It’s nice to actually go a while without seasonal units for a change.
I need Myrrh in my Flying Team!
Why did she have to be a TT reward… Well, at least she is coming, and I can blow all my orbs at L’Arachel in frustration, but still. I really wanted to give her ideal IV’s and spend money to make her +10.
The REAL question is…are you going to keep giving her votes so you can have TWO Marisa?
:O
Good idea. But I doubt my puny 7 votes will do much difference in the end. So I’ll just give her two and spread out the rest to other characters I like.
According to what I found on the Japanese sites, Marisa has been getting a lot of votes from the JP fans. Never give up!
Is that so? It might be worth giving it a shot then. I’ll give her at least 5!
I think Marisa come as a F2p unit is because of those vote. If I remember those vote were belong to last event which is about which character you want to appear in Heroes.
Skills like Steady Stance, Steady Breath, Close Def or even Earth Boost (depending how much HP she has) are great things to have on Myrrh. I am not sure what will be her weakness: speed (Great Flame can cancel follow-up attacks, so maybe she is a slow unit) or RES (Great Flame use DEF to trigger it’s effect, so maybe she will have good DEF and poor RES).
And, being a flying unit, Myrrh can be more effective in Flying Emblem Teams (I want her for my Flying Team).
Having a new dragon unit, with Hone Dragons, make me think: maybe Ninian will appear in the Legendary Banner.
Also, FEH Manga’s Ogma looks way better than FEH’s Ogma.
I dont have dragon team (just Ninian as dancer) so I will use Myrrh mainly as flier unit. I dont have Nowi or any Tiki as 5*, just a poor Fae with bad IVs. SO. I hope I can get that Myrrh with good IVs, and of course L’Arachel and that Lyon’s dream wife (?).
I will prefer every single Sacred Stones character before all the other units togueter.
All of them worth the try!
First time seeing an alternate version of a character that’s not ‘Brave’ or Awakening/Fates, is this an indication of future banners? Who would you like to see get this kind of treatment? I’d personally say the inferior units from across the franchise, like those who are bad and are not even worth while as fodder like Florina.
darting blow 3. but in all seriousness I can see them doing this to Seliph and Eliwood
That’s right, Est is the one with no good skills to inherit, but Florina is still bad. The underwhelming lords certainly have a high chance, but I would also like for them to not neglect minor characters in the low and bottom tiers rather than having to just wait for seasonal banners for better versions; like with the Halloween banner with Jakob and Henry. I’d like for permanent improved versions for characters like Odin, who despite being perhaps the most versatile fodder unit, is absolute garbo.
What’s so interesting about this is that she actually has 5 skills by default. Have any other units had this besides Brave units?
W!Tharja and H!Sakura, basically the recent units that come with those EXP or SP boosting skills will have that skill as a bonus. This is a relatively recent change as these kinds of skills were initially treated as apart of the regular 4 skill pool in the early life of the game such as with Athena with Sword Exp 3, or Camilla with Live for Bounty.
Ohh, I can see why that is something that would change because it kind of hinders them in actual gameplay. So this is just the first non-seasonal unit with this change then.
uhh… you forgot units like Bride Lyn, Breada, Burger King, and YTiki, I think
That’s true, though I wouldn’t necessarily count Y!Tiki since she and A!Tiki came in vanilla FEH and are kind of different characters with little resemblance with one another outside of appearance. I guess the biggest thing is that we got a alt. version that is not seasonal (meaning they’ll stick around after the banner) and is not a Brave unit.
Well this is just very cool. Guess I will be saving orbs. I have no attachment to the Tellius characters as I never had a console to play the games on and with this coming I will definitely not try and get any from the current banner, despite some of them being strong.
Give me all the FE 8 characters instead XD
Myrrh is going to be terrifying, but while I appreciate that they were trying to fill a unit gap, Eirika just feels lazy and L’ arachel would have stood out more as a staff. Also, did we really need another sword as the TT reward? Unless she can kill Myrrh, i doubt she’ll be too useful.
…Wyrmslayer?
Probably not though, betting she’ll just get the Shamshir, essentially as a buffed up Wo Dao. Or they could just give her a plain Wo Dao, but that seems a little boring for the standards they’ve now set for Tempest reward units.
I could see the Shamshir, but I think they’ll be wary of creeping Audhulma or the Wo Dao refinements. Wo Dao seems fine; the Tempest Trials units have been mostly mediocre anyway (Tobin, Clive, Joshua, Corrin), and I’m not sure how many ways they have left to distinguish sword users, especially myrmidons. And Marisa wasn’t exactly distinct in her own game
Falchion?
Not inheritable and not that useful against TA Nowi, particularly if buffed
There’s something I want to point out. The in-game text read that Marisa is “coming soon” and “will increase your score in the next Tempest Trial”. It did NOTsay that she was a Tempest Trial reward. Marisa MAY be like Ayra, and show up as a new unit on the Tempest Trial banner. Anyone who really wants her, maybe hold off summoning until the Tempest Trial comes so you can confirm that she is free?
This is a really good point actually
You probably know by now, but the way she’s worded in the JPN version states she’s a TT reward.
I was not aware. Thank you for pointing that out, was not trying to start an Ayra scare lol.
Power Creep…
I know I am minority here, but will they even be viable… after horse emblem has been nerfed more than roadhog in overwatch?
Mage Eirika? … what a stupid thing to do
It’s probably a reference to Lyon, but it’s still pretty weird. No complaints here though, since she looks great.
TFW you’ve been pronouncing L’Arachel’s name wrong this whole time.
I got it right since 15 years back. I had no idea people had difficulties with it to be honest.
I’ve been saying “La-ray-chul” rather than “Lar-uh-shel”. I get several names wrong when there’s no voice acting with it /shrug
Could it be because you read the second part of her name as you’d pronounce the name Rachel? It might be because I’m not a native English speaker, but reading it like that sounds wrong. Disregarding the L’ part, to my ears, it feels weird to say Arachel as you would say Rachel, lol.
Pretty much, yeah. Apostrophes in names just confuse my pronunciation even more 😛 Honestly, the name sounds wrong to me either way, though that’s probably because I am a native English speaker, but the name isn’t of English origin, so eh. Now that I’ve heard it out loud, I’ll start pronouncing it normally 😛
In that case, you must have an even harder time with the FE4/5 characters. Deirdre for example isn’t too difficult for me, but the English phonetics are probably making it more difficult than it should be for most people. That’s also why I find pronouncing Japanese words to be easy, since they’re mostly pronounced as they’re written.
Haven’t seen much from 4 or 5, but for example, I pronounce Deirdre as “Deer-dree”, though that’s probably not correct. I used to pronounce Titania from Path of Radiance as “Ty-tan-e-ya” before I heard Fairy Tail pronounce Erza’s name as “Teh-ton-ya”. I really just pronounce names as they’re spelled, and having other words in their names (like Rachel or Titan) usually doesn’t help.
I think I got the L’arachel’s name right as well along with Severa’s name when Selena pronounces her name at Fates in the my room conversation along with Eirika and Emphriam. But, I did pronounced Caeda’s name wrong when one of the characters spoke her name in Fire Emblem Warriors came out, I kinda did said Kay-da, I didn’t know it was going to be as See-da. No one usually pronounces the characters’ names right incase if there wasn’t any voice acting in one of the text only video games back then. But with games that have voice acting usually let people know how to pronounce it right.
I played a lot of Sacred Stones, but not going to lie… this banner does nothing for me. Myrrh seems like a good unit, but red tome Eirika is just boring. It’s just as well, I spent up my orbs on the Radiant banner (managed to pull a last-minute Micaiah!)
Pulled a Myrrh, +DEF/-HP, I’ll take it. I would like to go for L’arachel or Erika, but neither seem all that impressive, their tomes are neat, but the +3Def for L’arachel and +3Res for Erika do not at all work with with their respective 17Def and 22Res, it’s like Hana having Obstruct, it just doesn’t work. Seems IntSys took the whole power creep remarks people made a bit too serious.
Maybe they felt they overextended with the Radiant Dawn banner and felt they needed to chill a bit. Oh well, time to save again.
I will say though, the plot seems to be progressing quite nicely…it’s not winning any awards or anything but I’m liking the direction it’s going; and the map challenges are always nice.
I actually really liked the new story chapter. Built up Alphonse’s character as well proving that he’s well prepared to face any situation. Surtr is savage as hell, which I’m really starting to like. Veronica also proves to be decent. I should send them feedback saying they did a good job
Yeah their tomes are accurate to what they were in their games, but they aren’t great on the units they’re on.
spent 200 orbs. went only for red. got pitied by karel halway. got gleipneirika at +spd -res at the end though
I think the biggest news is that Sothe is available at 4* with LaD3
That’s real nice too bad I only pull healers from colorless.
That is cool. I have a random 5* one and I’m quite surprised how potent he is. Not really sure if I’ll ever have the luck to pull one for SI among all the Clarines, but it’d be like pulling 20,000 feathers
I am a little disappointed with both Lyon and Marisa.
Lyon has a Legendary Rauðrraven, and Marisa is a Karel with more defence.
Also, I spent some orbs in the banner trying to get Myrrh, but nothing. So I will wait until the Legendary Banner to see what type of heroes we can get from it.
Agreed. I appreciate that they’re trying to slow the powercreep, at least for one banner, but still. Why even have Marisa? To give us all access to Infantry Pulse (not the worst idea)? And poor Lyon is worse than a Sophia. Plus, I still think mounted Eirika is gross and took away the additional of another actual character
This banner is a bit lackluster, I expected at least two strong new charcters but only Myrrh is worth some orbs, welp gonna hord some more orbs for later.
I maintain that among the four banners, the special hero banner will probably be the one to watch for. They usually put good things in those. Of course, there’s a high likelihood of 3DS variants only, but nonetheless, I’m saving at least for that and probably until the next Brave Heroes are released
Ended up Eirika, L’Arachel, Merric, and another Tiltyu merge which isn’t all too bad.
Now the wait for Wednesday begins.
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No L’ Arachel… you do not have a staff in this game…
If Princess L’Arachel says she has a staff, then she will have a staff, who cares if you call it a tome, if she says it’s a staff then it’s a staff XD she’s got divine right after all.
MKs wield both staves and tomes ya know. If they could both heal and attack with 3 mov we would have another dancer situation on our hands.
That said, I do wish she’d been a troubadour instead. But this is a reference at most.
Not to correct you but she is a Valkyrie not a Mage Knight. She can be promoted to either one due to the promotion system in sacred stones but Ivaldi is the light tome from Sacred Stones that is a sacred twin aka the legendary weapons of that game and therefore this is the valkyrie staff since mage knights cannot use light magic
You’re correct, now that I took a closer look on her sprite the horse does indeed match the valkyrie one. Good call.
Banner with powercreep- “Stop powercreeping IS!”
Banner with no powercreep- “These units aren’t powerful enough to pull for IS!”
The problem with powercreep is that other units need to be at least powerful enough to keep up.
There’s also clearly a difference between powercreep, where new characters have roughly identical kits to older characters but with higher stats and stronger versions of the same skill, and characters that provide variety or a new mechanic entirely. I think this banner is fine. It provides units with niches for those who want to fill them
Good story chapter their improving things are picking up!
Veronica is in 5th in the CYL Round 2. I will vote for her so she can be at least in the top 4.
And I am ok with Camilla… but Eirika? Nope. We already have a “brave” Eirika.
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Wow. The male side looks alright (I can deal with Chrom), even though I wish Leif would reach a bit higher. But the female side is the embodiment of shit taste. The power of waifuism is strong.
Waifu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok its annoying, fire emblem doesn’t need waifu’s to be a good game… It needs characters that people fall in love with PERSONALITY WISE! Not by… features… So why do people vote for the waifu’s? Is that what the mighty fire emblem fanbase has become? Is the destiny of fire emblem eye candy? Take a Stand! Vote for characters personalities (and not waifu personalities, actual personalities) not appearance!
If you see characters like Camilla and Tharja as being ONLY waifus cause they have fanservicey parts, then you really aren’t a Fire Emblem fan. A real fan of Fire Emblem can look past the hate and see the good parts of characters, even those that are fanservice.
I agree, I personally think Camilla is an interesting character, for non waifu reasons…
Same with Tharja, what I don’t like is the people that ONLY see the waifu and follow it blindly
Yup. Camilla and Tharja have their issues, sure, but they are more than just a pair of sweater dumplings.
Hmm it’s odd to me that you could think so highly of yourself to claim to know what makes someone a “real” Fire Emblem fan. That really does require quite a degree of prescience and insight. But I forget, we can say such things on the Internet. Surely it would have occurred to you that someone could acknowledge the entirety of the characters and still find them wanting, or must it be that anyone who doesn’t place them among the top 10 in the entire series must be self-evidently incorrect, and thus not a “real” fan, as if there weren’t 12 games of precedent at before those characters came about? Because that’s what this is about: people voting these characters among the top 10. For your comment to be fair, there must not be any other reasonable criterion by which one could compile a top-10 list that would exclude those characters.
But, for my own curiosity, please make the case that they belong. You won’t find a more sympathetic audience. I don’t even dislike them. I even like Faye.
Very colorful speech you made, and very unnecessarily long.
However, please inform me what is wrong with what I said? Am I wrong to say that you are not a true fan of Fire Emblem if you use derogatory names for characters in Fire Emblem? Or perhaps even calling the newer games Waifu Emblem?
Please, by all means, tell me how people who purely use those terms in such an insulting way have any right to call themselves Fire Emblem fans?
Fire Emblem is Fire Emblem, no matter what age it comes in. To demean it and saying that the spirit has changed completely and it isn’t Fire Emblem anymore is an insult.
I don’t buy your premise that a “true” fan must like everything in the series. This isn’t something that can be proven, but I don’t think it’s an intuition we would entertain for other fandoms. Being a fan of a musical artist does not necessitate liking every song or every album. So it is here.
Criticism and having issues is one thing, but using derogatory names and not even attempting to see anything that’s possibly redeemable in a character, judging them solely on looks, is another thing altogether.
That’s not really the case here though. No one has judged a character exclusively by their looks. In fact, I think the people who do are elevating characters based on their looks, hence why Faye isn’t popular and Camilla is. And again, just because someone comes to the conclusion that they don’t like someone doesn’t mean they didn’t consider them holistically before coming to that decision. For example, Tharja has no backstory (unlike Henry, who arguably fills her niche better), has the odd, unexplained Robin fixation, and has this weird thing about hexes that isn’t explained and doesn’t fit the lore of the series. Alternatively, she’s pretty entertaining at times, has a sweet support with Nowi, and is hilarious to use because of Nosferatu. So I think of her as a mixed bag, albeit a poorly written one. None of that explains why she’s so overwhelmingly popular, has her sex appeal played up more than it was in her own game, and deserves multiple character versions. At least not to me. Your mileage may vary, but let’s not assume I haven’t considered it because I came to a different conclusion
It’s not even just the fanservice characters. It’s effectively all the characters being nothing more than caricatures in Awakening. But it’s not even the fault of the characters, the story as a whole is a complete parody and is written like a fanfic.
If what constitutes being a ‘real’ FE fan involves being accepting of shitty writing, then I guess I’m just an elitist.
I know a lot of people take issue with Camilla’s placement for the usual ‘thot’ bs as well as her already having 3 versions…but 2 of those are seasonal versions, so the only Camilla you’ll be pulling is vanilla. This is especially annoying from the people saying Erika should be placed above when she now has 2 version that can be pulled.
Personally I want Camilla to take first since I actually despise Celica, she ruined the story of Echoes for me with her being an even bigger dumbass than Erika and getting herself and everyone else in trouble with nothing of consequence happening as a result. She’s straight up the most deceptively selfish characters in all of FE, yet everyone acts like she’s some saint.
I agree with you. I do not have any problem with Camilla. I still like Celica, but for me the part we play as her in Echoes are my least favorite parts of the game, in comparation of Alm’s part which I love. Eirika shouldn’t be there. I really hope Veronica reach the top 4, but I do not want Azura to be despised. Eirika is only that higher in the pool just because we had her banner’s trailer some days before the CYL2 started. If CYL2 had started today, or yesterday, she wouldn’t have so much votes.
And for the men’s side, Marth should been higher in the pool. He is not in 2nd or maybe in 1st just because people are voting in 2 Marths at the same time: Shadow Dragon’s Marth (3rd) and New Mystery of the Emblem’s Marth (9th).
I voted for Shadow Dragon’s Marth today to give him a help, and tomorrow and after I will vote for Azura and Veronica.
I think IntSys will combine the 2 versions of Marth as one, it’s not like Ike who looks drastically different. I do hope he wins a spot, he’s the face of the franchise and deserves that recognition.
But I think it’s super funny how popular the FEH villainess are, so many people want Veronica, Loki and Laevatain (me in particular). So even if they don’t win, I think it’s gonna send a clear message that people want them, that they’re super popular, and maybe we’ll get a first ever Villain’s Banner.
My hopes are for Veronica reaches at least Top 4. Before the CYL 2 Banner, we will probably see a CYL 2 Voting Gauntlet with all 8 characters, and I want to know at they will do in this situation? Maybe Veronica become a Legendary Hero in the future, and being in the Top 4 will make it happen early.
And… Rally Marth! My final votes are for you Hero-King!
Celica suffers from an unfortunately poorly written part of the game, because otherwise she could very easily have been one of the best characters in Fire Emblem. There’s *supposed* to be an underlying crisis of faith narrative that informs both Celica and Jedah’s actions in part 4. That is, both supposedly struggled with Rudolf and Alm respectively trying to seize control of their own fate and leave the gods behind. We never actually know that Jedah is lying, so allegedly the idea is that Jedah and Celica do believe that sacrificing her would pacify Duma and leave them with at least one remaining god, rather than forcing the world to go on without them. So Celica is somewhat acting against Alm in Part 4. That’s the theory at least.
For me, there’s enough in the text where you could convince me that could have been the way they wanted to go, but not enough to think that’s a legitimate interpretation of that part of the game. However, I’ve seen enough arguments in defense of Celica to wonder if a lot of the people who support her have just headcanoned the above analysis as fact. I wish it were true — it would add some desperately need depth to a game that never seemed to make the gravity of its conflict particularly apparent, but I see it as just a missed opportunity.
I don’t hate Camilla (though I find some people’s blind worship of her for fanservice reasons a little uncomfortable), but as a series veteran, I’m very tired of all the 3DS characters. Azura is one of my favorite characters in the whole series, and I don’t need any more of her floating around
I agree with you about the 3DS characters. From all seasonal units we had, only 2 of them are not a Awakening or Fates character (Caeda and Lyn). I am tired of Seasonal Awakening/Fates characters. Echoes is still recent, so I do not have problem with Echoes characters (I want Silque in the game so much).
I definitely see where people come from with those Echoes analysis, the issue though is that it feels too last minute. Obvious things need to start with us believing the gods are necessary only for us to transition to seeing them as not, but from all the lore of the 2 countries attributing Zofia’s bounty and Regel’s harsh lands being attributed to their respective deities, and then seeing the loss of the flourishing Zofian lands after Mila disappears…yeah, it really seems like man needs their gods. So the idea that they no longer need the gods to push forward into the future is in direct contradiction to literally everything we were presented.
With the Awakening/Fates units, I get the frustration people have…hell, it frustrates me. I’m frustrated because of all the hate that it’s been generating towards these legitimately fun and interesting characters. I want another alt. version of Camilla, but seeing her show up so often for these temporary seasonal banners makes others not want her who would otherwise.
Echoes has missed opportunities everywhere tbh, it’s the reason why I’m thoroughly mixed on the game.
-Celica jumping to conclusions in her one sided argument with Alm
-Her behavior late game
-Rudolf’s lack of screentime
-Rinea basically being a plot device
-Faye
-Unfixed map design
-Battle skills not being as useful as they appear
-Supports that seem to go nowhere character wise
-Lack of supports for certain characters like Kliff and Genny
-Slog desert/swamp maps
Let’s just say if I were in charge of the game I’d do a LOT of things differently. As for the topic of character representation I’m personally tired of the 3DS characters too.
Yeah I don’t disagree with any of the points you mentioned. On the one hand, I thought it had perhaps the best presentation in the series (art direction, music, and writing style), but on the other, all the things you mentioned have made it really difficult for me to finish even one subsequent playthrough, which is usually automatic for Fire Emblem titles
Oh yeah, presentation wise it’s the best game FE game on the 3DS but the reasons listed above are why I haven’t come back to the game for a Hard Mode run. It’s a decent expansion but what seem like obvious opportunities to improve on the source material and add more meat to the story are completely ignored in favor of doing nothing or something equally lazy with the excuse of “staying true to the original”.
For example Alm and Celica could have questioned each others motivations thanks to the conclusions they’ve come to based on their experiences, with Alm having seen the negative effects of Mila’s blessings and realizing the Mila spoiling Zofians are what lead to the corruption while Celica could argue Mila’s blessings are still neccessary by seeing what her absence has lead to, famine and an increase in pirate activity which caused people like Valbar to lose his whole family (a character detail that he seems to bring up rather casually).
This isn’t even getting into the worldbuilding being a tad inconsistent, the lifestyles and values of the two sides of the continent not being elaborated on enough to flesh out the world, Alm’s “good but not nice” nature (which would have mirrored Duma) being altered to a more generic personality which makes the argument with Celica even more one sided, the foreshadowing of his true family being much too heavy, the obvious Conrad reveal, Berkut’s lack of motivation beyond beating Alm, Grieth being a disappointing cartoony villain, Jedah being portrayed as far too evil when he had an understandable motivation, Rudolf’s motivation being shaky depending on who you ask, Deen’s flat personality, Halcyon not playing a bigger role, the Nuibaba route dependent plothole, etc. THE LIST GOES ON.
For every thing the game does right it does two things wrong and I feel like people either ignore this or just choose not to acknowledge it because of Awakening’s quantity over quality attempt at story telling and one dimensional villains and Fates’ triple decker trainwreck plot thanks to the need of incorporating connections to Awakening and a golden ending route the raises more questions than it answers and influences the other two paths in ways that squander their potential and morph them into shadows of what they could have been. The fact is that what happened with the games before Echoes was IntSys writers were too ambitious and their attempts at making things more convoluted and involved than they should have been lead to the stories being showy in style but severely lacking in substance.
Echoes doesn’t have this excuse, they had the frame to expand upon but instead applying that ambition and creativity that they did for the other two games it feels like they just did what they needed to and forgot to make some of it work more by modern standards, I feel like IntSys just wanted to throw old FE fans a bone and then rush off to work on the next “””Waifu Emblem””” (as the fandom has dubbed them) because when you take a moment to consider what COULD have been in Echoes and think about just how fast solutions to these issues can be thought up it feels like much less effort was put forth for the game and that’s a little sad. It’s not like I even hate or dislike Echoes’ story and gameplay I just find them meh/decent and settling for that is uncomfortable to say the least.
Makes me worried for FE Switch, makes me real worried.
And keep in mind when I’m referring to old FE fans I’m not talking about myself, I started with Awakening like most people nowadays. I’ve just taken the time to look at other games too, I’m playing Path of Radiance right now and it’s far better written and fleshed out than Awakening and Fates are.
You are not alone on this opinion my friend
I honestly don’t care who wins CYL that much. All I care about is that characters from pre-3DS games and Echoes doing well in CYL2. At least look on the bright side. If Celica wins she’ll get banned in future CYL events. Though some of your points can be said about Ephraim and quite possibly Ike to some extent.
True dat, but with FE switch on it’s way in 2018, the likelihood that those characters will take over the popular votes for CLY3 are high so this CYL could be the last chance we see for many of these characters to get in…it’s all dependent on how well received the characters in the new FE game are; if any will replace Celica or Camilla in their respective pandering.
that is indeed interesting. i took Act 4 a bit differently. personally its refreshing not seeing heroes/heroines behave stoically and follow the hero trope every now and then (like Alm, i still like him tho). it was mentioned once (by Kliff as a kid i think) that Celica acted selfish by keeping her secrets to herself. and this truly showed in Act 4, where she refused to tell her party what she learned from Jedah, knowing everyone will tell her no. We [and Celica] saw Jedah’s true intentions, but that doesn’t count since that was in the future in Act 5.
Celica’s decision to sacrifice herself to: calm down Duma for a few centuries (?) (don’t know if this is actually true, her soul ain’t enough), release Mila from her imprisonment while temporally restoring Zofia’s bounty (which was a lie, she was already slain & sealed a year before the game started), and end the war peacefully that Alm is currently battling (is another lie, Jedah wants to sacrifice him too. that is why Rudolf hid Alm away); is one of the toughest decisions a young princess of Zofia will have to make, and she did it alone w/o her party’s opinion.
Jedah is a snake oil salesman, no way he is keeping his promises. but Celica was so desperate that she didn’t care no longer despite her party’s warning. consequently, the situation got even worse after accepting Jedah’s deal instead of refusing [and will be forced to fight Jedah again].
Jedah’s claim being true or not, i would not fault Celica’s choice if it involves saving her goddess and the people of Zofia as Rulers have to make tough choices. i would fault her for, is not believing in her party and not telling them what she learned from Jedah. if Celica had clairvoyance powers, maybe things would have been different & she wouldn’t have accepted the deal, making Act 5 a less of a mess lmao.
i have no doubt Camilla will still be top 2 by the end of tomorrow. also Reinhardt memed his way to #5 (from 584th) is amazing XD!
Ah they brought back the Valter-level waves of reinforcements for Infernal, I see. Lovely.
The general reinforcements caught me off guard at first, but it was quite easy apart from that. Arvis could handle them without much trouble, and my BB Kleine could quadshot pretty much everything else.
We need Brave Mrobin! We need to have grima introduced into the game!
Honestly, why with the female side! Camilla is ok, nino, Fcorrin, and Tharja I’m fine with… But veronica? Loki? Celica? EIRIKA??? we don’t need Eirika and the other characters haven’t even been released as playable… so why would we get brave forms…
also 3 beasts in top 40
Grima would be dope. I thinks it’s actually funny that the FEH villainess are getting so much love. Even if I agree they not get a brave version, I think this is important as a message to IntSys that they are popular and people will pull for them if they made a banner (I’d go for Laevatain).
I don’t think Grima is possible. Grima is pure evil. Lyon isn’t fully evil, and here is the part where he isn’t fully possessed by the Demon King.
I don’t think pure evil has anything to do with how the heroes are chosen… I think its just popularity
But, if that was how they do it… all they would have to do is make it where Robin is still “inside” like in Awakening dlc
I doubt it. See, look at the villains we have gotten. Valter, Zephiel, and Zelgius aren’t pure evil. Two have been driven to madness, one by his weapon, and the other by his terrible parents. And the other is a man that is just loyal to his master and seeks to become very powerful as his mentor.
Grima is not the same as he is pure evil. Robin cannot break out of Grima’s hold unless Grima is weakened.
But wouldn’t that be an interesting twist to the game?
And there is the forshadowing of Sutr
For Surtr? I thought there was the case that we would have Laevatein? She seems like she would be a Legendary Hero, rather than her father Surtr.
She will probably come first… but eventually the heroes antagonists will become playable…
I have a lot of doubt in regards to Surtr honestly. Everything about him shows that he deserves to die an icy death.
he does… but because this game likes getting money, he will likely be a major GHB or special summon or something
Before we get him, I’d rather we get Veronica and Bruno/Zacharias.
Everyone! Vote for Shadow Dragon Marth! He deserves the spotlight! He has been denied too much. Let the original Fire Emblem Lord, the face of Fire Emblem, and a great character still, get the recognition he deserves!
#RallyMarth
I think it’s funny that there’s only maybe one comment right now focused on what this actual post is about and everyone else is commenting on Choose Your Legends, lol. That’s not even mentioned
Screw Lyon, it’s all about that waifus!! 😛
Nice to see my first Fates waifu Felicia get herself a legendary weapon, but why no Camilla? Oh well, I’m sure she’ll eventually get one since Hinoka, her equal, is getting one. The Falchions all getting buffed is a big deal now, hopefully this means Dragon Emblem teams won’t be so OP and prevalent in the arena.
Since Hinoka’s Spear reduced def and res in Fates, I’m guessing maybe a built-in Life and Death effect.
Basilikos might have an effect similar to Gleipnir and Ivaldi since those weapons are based on the effect of Regal Blade. Basilikos and Regal Blade are of the many S-tier weapons you can obtain in the final chapter of Blazing Sword.
Felicia’s plate might be cooldown reduction and targeting the lower value of foe’s def/res
Wing Sword is highly likely to be a Thani sword, but I’m curious about it’s secondary effect. Negates armor/horse buffs?
Life and Death Hinoka Spear would be super broke making a neutral one have an Atk/Spd spread of 56/37 (if the weapon is 16Mt), she could be an addition to the 60+ Atk club and run Heavy Blade SS, now I’m hoping that’s the case.
I just don’t know what they could do with it since it had a def and res reducing effect in fates.
Oooh, so old and perhaps previously underused units are getting new weapons. A direct buff. And it’s not even through refinery. Both awesome and fascinating. Previously power-crept units can now, perhaps, find a new niche. And Falchion getting buffed through refinery was also about time, especially with Myrrh having just arrived who is really freaking good. And they even went the extra mile to differentiate the Falchions of Marth, Alm and the Awakening lords. Let the theorycrafting commence!
– Hinoka’s Spear? Could literally be anything, I have no clue what they’ll do with this.
– Wing Sword sounds like it’s inspired by the Wing Spear, and it would be a natural evolution from Armorslayer, so I expect a Thani-like effect overall. Caeda will also greatly appreciate having more Might on her weapon, given how low her Atk stat is. Hopefully, Caeda will be a decent unit with this.
– Felicia’s Plate, the obvious thing to do would be to have it target Res, perhaps only against certain enemies, like how refined Breath weapons do it. What she really wants to go along with that, though, is an improvement to her offensive power and/or an effect that’ll help her trigger Glacies, because she’s so reliant on it…
– Basilikos could again be anything. …I want to joke about giving it a raven tome-like effect, and that’d be super meta and hilarious. But it’s hard to say. Canonically it’s just a powerful axe, and that’s it. Since Raven is coming off of Brave Sword… maybe it’ll be like Elincia’s Amiti?
– Echesacks is getting a refinement. Given his character, a friend of mine suggested they might give him a Dragon-based Atk/Def Bond skill (plus another smaller effect), like what Sanaki got with fliers. It’d make sense. They could also give it Distant Counter, but that’s boring, and Black Knight and Zelgius already exist, so…
I have no clue how they’re going to differentiate the Falchions, but I’m definitely curious.
Hopefully more forgotten units will get this treatment in the future. Sure is interesting how they’re increasing the amount of unique weapons in the non-5-star exclusive pool all of a sudden. But I’m not complaining.
I have to imagine all of the Falchions will include the Keen Gronnwolf/Armorsmasher effect. Zephiel probably should have distant counter, and maybe something else, but we’ll see. I’m surprised we’re going through another round of refinements without including the Binding Blade
How is it surprising that Roy gets shafted once more?
Anyways, I was thinking more like Armorsmasher effect but for Dragons. Not sure if that’s what you were saying, if it was, then I agree.
I can understand Fachions getting different upgrades since they use different assets. There are 3 different Falchion’s, but one is shared between 3 people.
I would love to see Alm’s Falchion recieve a similar buff to Siegmund, being a reference to Double Lion from Echoes. With his built in Windsweep, he could probably run that combo even better than Ephraim. But we shall see.
As for the other two, perhaps the Awakening trio will obtain a strike skill like Swift Sparrow or Mirror Strike while Marth receives a defensive buff? Shield Pulse would allow Marth to become an incredible defensive frontliner, with his balanced stats and Renewal.
Lucina would love an offensive skill built in to compete with Ayra, though I feel like Chrom will suffer the most from this overall. He’s just too slow to not use brave sword.
I thought about Double Lion, but my main beef with that effect, aside from potential balance issues, is that Alm can’t use Double Lion with the Falchion. Double Lion is unique to the Royal Sword, which is ultimately a different weapon. Falchion only gets one weapon skill, and that’s Scendscale. Of course, that one has the issue of being rather hard to translate into Heroes without getting overcomplicated.
Loki hands down.
None are units that I have or use, so eh.
In other news, I’ve hit the jackpot. In about 300 orbs I got 6 L’Arachel and a Ninian. That’s probably a first and last.
Woah I’m jealous. 140 orbs and I got a Sheena lol. Pinching orbs at the anniversary will be rather painful, but such is the f2p life when you have played the entire series and love so many units.
I feel you on that one. I never spend money either, though I was prepared to do so for Marisa before I heard she’ll be relegated to a TT reward. Honestly, I’d gladly trade one L’Arachel for that Sheema. She happens to be one of my favourite units but I still only have her at +5, and I barely ever get 4* versions of her either.
I’ve also almost run dry for now (26 orbs), so I hope the upcoming banner won’t have too many interesting things in it. I kinda want another Hector so I can give Marisa distant counter though.
Yeah I’m low on orbs too, and I just know Tana is coming back, which hurts because she’s my blue unit on my arena team. I used to be a dolphin on spending but since the summer I haven’t spent, and I’m nervous that if Brave Ike or Hector returns I won’t be able to get the fodder I desperately need for some builds.
No beef against Sheema, though I never really liked any Armour units in the series aside from maybe Black Knight, Lukas (who isn’t even a knight here) and Gillium. I may as well hold onto that Slaying Axe in case Jill comes out and needs it.
Btw, too bad about Marisa being TT only. Maybe someday they will give away a 5 star from a starter pack similar to BK so you can get a merge? Or they will rerun her as a prize in another SS trial. I personally do think her art looks AMAZING though, couldn’t have asked for better personally.
That’s a nice coincidence, since Tana and Sheema are the ones I have supported. They synergise extremely well, in particular with guidance factored in. The knight thing I can somewhat agree with, but I still have a few more that I want, such as Horace.
Yeah, I hope so too. That, or making a special banner with TT reward units. It sucks because another of my favourite units got the same treatment previously. I’m considering giving her the summoner support that Sheema currently has in order to make up for it a bit, but I’m not sure about that yet.
Agreed on the art too, I think it’s the same artist that did Celica? At least the blush is similar on them both. I wouldn’t have minded seeing her in the Arvis/Innes style, but that’s just nitpicking. Considering some other characters she lucked out with good art, haha.
On a small note, I just noticed something. There a reason why this site still calls it “Blazing Sword” when “Blazing Blade” is the official title for it now?
The editors probably didn’t realize they forgot about the localize name title and haven’t updated the site. I did let them know that there was a mistake. https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/49366-mistakes-or-errors-on-the-site-2/&page=20&tab=comments#comment-5125654
6 orbs, fury fodder, hone armor fodder and poison strike fodder (meh…), 10 mins for some nice free stuff.
saizo does have smoke dagger (can be refined for an even better effect) which is somewhat better than poson strike
Yes… Refined Smoke Dagger is one of the best daggers in the game.
Ugh, Gwendolyn… now there’s one unit I never planned to train…
After almost a year I get finally my 2nd Hinata~
lol. wish you luck this year then
Thank you~ I wish everyone Good RNG!
Another OC to obstinately use against my friends despite their almost certain meh-ness? Sign me up!!! Also, here’s hoping we get these guys in Heroes eventually!
Keeping my expectations mid but hope there’s surprises no one saw coming.
One thing that should be mentioned is that a reliable Nintendo informant who goes by the name of Oscar mentioned something big would come and that was before the Feh stream was announced. He’s never talked Feh channel being this important so there’s a possibility that were getting the FE Switch teaser in the Feh channel.
I don’t know. That would be pretty strange.
I mean, Feh channel will likely only be watched by those who play Heroes, as opposed to the more general audience you’d get with a Direct. Don’t get me wrong, if they teased FE Switch in this, I would be overjoyed, but I don’t see why Nintendo would put it here instead of in a Direct which would likely get a bigger audience.
They might decide to advertise on both platforms? After all mobile gamers don’t have to be traditional console gamers and so doing both will reach a bigger audience? Or maybe there’ll be some kind of feature tie-in between the Switch and a mobile game/app or even Heroes.
I fear what that means unless it’s cameo only
I do not believe it. It is a FEH Channel, and not a Fire Emblem Direct.
For being the game’s anniversary, it is normal to expect something big from it.
The near thing I can expect from the Switch game in Heroes is near the release of the game we get a banner with 3 or 4 units from the Switch game.
Normally FEH Channels are divided in 5 topics. We can have:
– What’s new in the 2.2 version update;
– Events (Legendary Banner, Special Banner, Valter Returns, Tempest Trial, possible a new Voting Gauntlet and the CLY2 results);
– New refined weapons explanation;
– Anniversary Celebration (maybe with a free unit);
– A new mode?
Shouldn’t the EST be at 10:30 not 11:30?
Yea, 10:30 EST 7:30 PT
My opinion on CYL2:
“It’s all right. This image of hope will shine brightly.”
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Well this is such short notice that I want to hypothesize what it’ll cover, but I kinda don’t since that’ll just raise my own expectations…the internal conflicts are real.
Anything that doesn’t give me more Marisa or Kleine will be a disappointment.
The length and the description “super-relaxing” lead me to believe there won’t be anything groundbreaking here. I’d guess we’ll get the CYL winners and an explanation for the anniversary event at most. That’s fine by me. I’ve never been so poor of orbs as I am right now. It’ll probably be March before I’m participating again
The Feh parts were funny, I don’t care for Ike in the slightest so meh…., the new rhythm game looks neat though overall to me 4.5/10 felt expectations were high glad I was in the middleground I felt this could be been some Twitter posts.
Fortunately nothing I care about too much. I’ll take the free hero, but it’s likely to be someone I already have. I’ll wait to see what the prizes are before I waste my time on that gross tapping game. Also, PSA: even given the Legendary Banner but if you don’t have Performing Azura, I recommend her more than any other unit in the game. Her versatility means she can fit on a lot of teams and she really helps with grinding.
Also, I don’t think the special heroes coming 2/9 were mentioned so watch out for them
Wow, that’s some pretty neat stuff. Thank goodness I can finally get Xander since I was out sick throughout his initial GHB.
Disappointed in the legendary hero. Then again I really hate RD Ike and didn’t feel like he deserved a different version for his RD appearance. Oh well. We have to appeal to his Smash popularity.
Well free stuff is always nice….but honestly….I expected….like more? Like addressing common complaints in the survey that’ll be looked into (because lets face it, this game is far from perfect). Didn’t even point out any new GBH or the upcoming special units. The Rhythm game (for now) is only for February….so who cares? Like add something else permanent because just doing TT and Voting Gauntlets is just boring because TT is basically just autobattle and VG is just a joke now. “Advertises the direct as being nearly 15 minutes long but only spend 9 minutes of actual content (from a slow talking Feh) and 3 minutes of Feh just fucking around….yeah….totally worth it. I could have got this all from random news updates. It seems like I’m being negative….because I am. I do appreciate the free orbs and more orbs….but we have the Legendary Banner and the Special Heroes banner. That shit will go away quickly. So far Heroes is just going about stuff superficially and not addressing anything new….which gacha games typically do on their anniversaries. Plus would it have killed them to reveal the winners of the CYL? Obviously they wouldn’t have started on them but at the very least they have the results.
Honestly, the best thing they could have done was announce fixing the summoning pool. Like getting rid of some of the unwanted 5 stars that plague pity rates. Because lets face it….a 5 star merric/ cain/ oscar/ peri etc. are things we Totally~ still want as our pity breakers.
Fun fact, the 5* pool is bigger than the 4* and 3* pools combined…yeah…that’s a not so fun fact. There ARE too many bad pity breakers: Jakob, Hawkeye, Roy, Mathilda…that’s not to say they aren’t good (except Hawkeye, f*** Hawkeye), but they’re not 5* summonable good, make them 3/4*. And there are many 5* exclusives too that, while not bad, are not amazing: Luke, Alm, Nephenee, Mist, Jaffar, Faye; and they should be demoted to 4/5*.
pool whining is the worst
Vangaurd Ike seems good, though Warding Breath on a 21 base res seems weird (you can actually see the lv40 stats for a brief moment in the FEH channel reveal, not the separate FE trailer, he’s basically a slightly better version of vanilla Ike). Other than that, P!Azura is the only other unit I might go for. I’ll probably pull for Brave Ike in that Hero Fest banner.
100 orbs is nice, but you can go through orbs like crazy so I’d rather they fix the summoning pool. Certain characters should not be 5* (Jakob, Hawkeye, Roderick) and some heroes need to be 4* (Nephenee, Luke, Genny).
The rhythm game is interesting, but it’ll all come down to how the music is. Also the reward was kept hidden so it’s most likely not orbs otherwise, why hide? So maybe the reward will be a new inventory item (as if we don’t have too much), free unit, interested to see.
I’m pretty pleased with the revealed info. Unfortunately though that live stream was cancer. Why do they have to make these things so fucking stupid lol. Feh has this whiny voice and just fucked around the whole time. Idk I’m more of a “get to the point kind of guy” and that live stream was one of the most cringe inducing things I have ever seen
Another SuperIke, and still no Great Aether…I mean, yeah, he’s the RADIANT Hero with RADIANT Aether, but it’s just not the same…
Kind of nice that the bonus heroes are from the legendary banner, and Fjorm is 40% so that everyone can at least get the bonus. I managed to pull a V! Ike, but he was -Atk/+Res…sigh…the game has this really nasty tendency of giving me the worst possible IVs for these pulls. Welp, now I wait for the anniversary update while I do this TTm.
I got a Faye -Spd and a Summer Robin -Def. So happy, but at the same time, so sad…
What’s the problem with -spd Faye? Her speed is already terrible. She was never going to double anything anyway. I would say -spd is the best bane on her.
My only Hinoka is -Atk +Spd… I guess I should give her something that’s not a Brave Lance…
As for Summer Robin… which bane would you have prefered? There aren’t really any good options in her case, are there?
Easy grinding for her skills and she and forge weapon https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ca9dbdd3c2f22d223260a6689ed8a65d893e116670b84bbe437081fbf71eb0e.png
I didn’t mean that she’s not good. I meant that any bane is bad on her. There’s no good choice for a bane.
So it looks like the Legendary Hero banners are in fact monthly. We’ll have one at the end of February with Ike and Gunnthra, but Fjorm won’t be back until March. I suspect we’ll get the last element in that one.
Hm…? Why Fjorm will not return in the February Legendary Banner?
It says so in the note. Gunnthrá and Ike are specifically stated to return in late February, Fjorm is specifically stated to return in March.
This Tempest Trial is so easy. My team is Fjorm, Gunnthra, NY!Takumi (with windsweep smoke dagger) and Genny. This is the first time I am not using a dancer, but actually… it is not needed. The 3 first units can do the work, and Genny only heals.
Uhh… hold on. We’re getting 4 Refinement Stones opposed to 2 this time around. The on-going Tempest Trials Mini quests definitely gives out 4.
Hey Kirie, there are more things to change in the daily rewards: 4 refined stones, 2 stamina potions, 3.000 crystals and 300 feathers.
I’ve held onto a Cordelia (whom I hate) since March with the intention of giving Marisa galeforce, so I’m glad to finally have her out of sight. I also just sacrificed a Lon’qu for slaying edge+ and Brave Roy for steady blow 2. I wanted flashing blade or distant counter at first, but no Mia or Hector makes that hard. Haven’t decided on the rest of the skills, but QP would probably be the best seal to pull off at least one galeforce.
I got 5 5*s from the second legendary summoning event with 80 orbs, but only got 1 after 120 orbs this round. I guess luck just comes and goes.
Vanguard is easily my favorite appearance for Ike, and the fact that they now have official art for this is one of the coolest things ever. I’ve always wished they made his Smash 3DS/Wii U appearance be modeled after it.
I got freaking FOUR Sanakis. This game is the worst.
I would have gladly taken that, I got 6 Sigfrieds and 1 Sanaki before I got an Ike
Oh no no. That’s not before I got an Ike. That was when I almost gave up. I ended up getting another Sanaki and two Siegberts before I got Ike. I have so much regret.
Marth was robbed a win because of the split votes, his combined votes would actually be just below Hector, IS done robbed him. I’ve vocalized my hatred for Celica many times, and I’ll do it again…she’s the most overrated. Congrats to Veronica for the clutch win, maybe this means we’ll also be getting the other Heroes villains later down the line, especially with Loki being 6th.
Back to Marth, maybe they’ll give us some honorary Brave alt. as a TT reward or something, it is possible, who knows, they did give us the Farfetched Banner out of the blue so maybe they’ll do something else to pleasantly catch us off guard.
But with Ike was it the same last CYL! Except that he got more votes.
Marth has no excuses if the same happened to Ike and he still managed to win 1st last time. Besides, specifying which version is actually more helpful.
They aren’t different characters though. Marth doesn’t do anything for me, but splitting him up doesn’t become more fair just because Ike won in spite of it
Marth also doesn’t do anything for me, but mainly I want to point out NONE of the characters with split votes are “different” characters, yet dozens have to be voted on separately anyway. (Whether this is a good idea or not is another debate entirely…) So Marth wasn’t “split up” any more so than any other character. He’s being treated to the exact same standards as literally all the other… however many hundreds there are.
I feel like this is implied in people’s comments. No one is saying that Marth should be held to a different standard. He’s just the primary example because the objectionable practice actually affected him meaningfully. So whether it was a good idea is the debate. I’m not really sure why there are a lot of responses obscuring that, since that’s very clearly not the point
To be honest, I haven’t really seen anyone that upset by the split votes unless it REALLY negatively impacted whoever they voted for. Some of the characters I voted for were affected as well, just not too badly, so I’m not particularly salty about it myself.
And yeah in general, splitting votes is never a great idea and one does wonder why IS went out of their way to do so, but I’m assuming that when it comes to using these results as a roadmap for planning future characters, they’re prooooobably taking all of the combined votes into consideration anyway?
I guess I’m giving people the benefit of the doubt by assuming they aren’t commenting only because they feel directly affected by it. In any case, I can see IS wanting to keep as many character versions on the table as possible, but that’s about the only reason I can think of. Maybe they think people really bonded with one game’s version of a character, or unit, and want to keep that option open, but I can’t think of any dramatic changes in unit performance between games that would be worth recording
I imagine it mostly boils down to figuring out what designs to focus on first and whatnot? At least for some characters. (That would make sense for like PoR Ike coming out before RD Ike, but fails to explain e.g. why Odin is here but Owain isn’t.)
But yeah, imo the only ones where it makes any sense to treat them as separate entities is when they’re using a different identity entirely, such as Inigo/Laslow, Camus/Zeke/Sirius, etc.
You’re probably right. I’m even content with grouping with Camus into one person and letting everybody choose which part of that character’s arc inspires them to vote for him, but I can see the advantages to each. Rather frustratingly, Odin seems to feel more like Owain, lacking some of the maturity I thought that trio gained in Fates
Don’t care much about the results, but if you think Celica is overrated then you clearly haven’t been paying attention to Camilla and Loki.
Camilla isn’t overrated neither is Loki…
2 good reasons why she is
Oh, you mean her 1) twisted and unstable personality being genuinely interesting because it encouraged me to delve deeper into her character and to analyze each support to piece her character together; and 2) that she was consistent in her behavior and what she said, just like other good characters.
if only the majority thinks like that. camilla suffers hate because of her design, but at the same time it’s what makes her popular. my only beef with camilla is that a majority of votes she gets isn’t given because of her personality
I don’t deny that Camilla received a lot of votes due to her design, but if something like that is to be used to her detriment as a character then the fact that most of the top 10 are just the protagonists of their respective game is similar. I realize my own biases are worked into this, but at the same time popularity votes are all about the bias.
It really is just unfortunate that the majority of people playing FEH, including hardcore fans, don’t actually care about deeper aspects, which is why only the well known characters of the games see any results as oppose to lesser known god-tier characters like Tethys or Stefan. So in a way, most characters in the top 10 for both CYL 1&2 are overrated, even Veronica who I’m actually quite happy about winning.
Yeah, I basically agree with you entirely. It’d be nice If we could raise awareness of some of those less present but more interesting character, not you specifically, but generally.
I feel like there’s a distinction between labeling a character good or bad in a binary sense and explaining her overwhelming popularity. If you think she is a top-10/top-5 character in the series, that’s your prerogative, but understand the skepticism others have. To say she shouldn’t be this popular is not, for me, saying that no one is allowed to like her, but she’s a character that really would’ve benefited from some restraint and subtlety. Consider Clarisse, for instance. She’s a more artful take on the same archetype, for lack of a better word, but I think the reasons she isn’t popular go beyond the popularity of her game.
Personally I find the design truly ridiculous, what _is_ that armor… but the reason I don’t like her is that yandere types creep me the hell out… I don’t hate her though or anything, and obviously it’s a matter of personal preferences, which characters you end up liking.
Actually there are some additional votes for Hector, FE 6 version, further down the list as well. Many characters have multiple versions that aren’t counted together. Most of FE 9 & 10, some FE 6 & 7 as well as some FE 4 & 5 and even some between the mess of FE 1, 3, 11 and 12. And then there’s Anna.
So really, Marth is hardly being singled out here.
That doesn’t excuse the choice on the part of IS. In some cases it makes sense, FE6 Hector is very different from FE7 Hector in that nobody pictures FE6 Hector when they think of Hector, but also that his character is clearly different. Ike has drastically different appearance between his 2 games, despite still having the personality of nothing. Marth looks basically identical between his SD and MoE appearances since only a year had passed between the 2, and the difference between him in the 2 games is that he’s obviously more mature from the previous war, and his engagement to Caeda. This is a similar issue I have with how character in the Telius games would have been handled; Ranulf and the other Laguz is not different between the 2 games outside of his understanding and friendship with Beorcs, so why make the distinction, this is even less so with, say, Titania who’s only difference is slightly more gold looking armor. These are not significant enough justifications to separate them into different options.
*shrugs* they so far have always been treated as separate characters in Heroes as well, even each seasonal version.
I’m just saying, stating Marth got screwed is inaccurate as this affects a lot of characters.
I never said I agree with the whole thing in the first place. But also not everyone has played all the games? You may well have people who only played FE 6 and not FE 7 or FE 9 but not FE 10 or vice versa. How are they then supposed to find the character they’re looking for? You would have to disable the whole “choose by game” mechanic.
Alternatively they could just count the votes for all the versions as one sum value instead of keeping those separate as well as the character appearances, but there’s not really a perfect solution.
Consider it like evaluating an actor’s performance differently in two different roles instead of just the same regardless.
Honestly I agree with your point that they should keep the separate versions, but have their votes combine, because it feels like that’s what they were going for in the first place considering what they did with Ike by removing his RD ver. from the list even though that ver. didn’t win. They’re sending mixed messages.
Wow, Veronica is pretty surprising. I expected her to just linger somewhere around #4 or so but she ended up beating Camilla.
Ephraim looks like a stripper
Veronica is pretty surprising. I’m satisfied with these results though, even if I would’ve preferred Camilla beat Veronica Hector, Ephraim and Celica are some of my favorites in the series though. Interesting to note is IS put Marth in the results image on the official site next to the four winners. His combined vote beat out Ephraim and Veronica.
Micaiah and Takumi got together a step forward since last Voting <3
As for Micaiah, it was a close one to Nino with only 39 votes in difference.
Could’ve been worse. I’m going to guess we’ll see Binding Blade Hector, Mounted Ephraim, Beloved Zofia Celica, and maybe some cute alternate Veronica where she’s not so unpleasant? They have a chance to give the character a trait other than petulant. Let’s see what they come up.
That said, I’ve never been particularly overwhelmed by the lord characters. I’ve never felt like the series has provided them with the personal conflict that spurs growth. Blazing Blade and Tellius are notable exceptions though
Ha… most of my choices very far down the list. I voted for Glen… that’ll never happen, no Sunstone for me.
But yay for Hector and Ephraim. Really surprised about Veronica and other fairly high placements of Heroes’ original characters.
I hate you all.
Veronica wow………
So now this game will have 3 new Brave Heroes (Hector, Ephraim, and Celica) and 1 Brave Villain (Veronica). I can’t believe Veronica won 2nd place, and the story is nowhere near finished. This story is ruined, thanks a lot, IS!
The story is already pure crap.
Maybe we’ll get an alternate universe version that isn’t a villain
i’m guessing she’ll hide her identity with a silly looking mask and is a brave hero for the lolz
Or wielding Xander’s sword and riding on his horse. Yeah, that’ll be the day.
Well there’s always next time since more big ones are now gonna be out but then again FE16 characters is gonna make it crazy!
So of our 8 overall winners..
4 from GBA games (Roy, Lyn, Hector, Ephraim)
2 from 3DS games (Lucina, Celica)
1 from GCN/Wii (Ike)
1 from Mobile (Veronica)
3 of 8 playable in Smash Bros.
4 of 8 appear in Smash Bros.
3 of 8 playable in Warriors.
I feel like that’s really interesting. The 3DS games are generally more popular/sold more, but GBA game characters are topping these polls. I wonder what this says either about the fanbase overall or just Heroes players.. Awakening and Fates have the highest sales, but Lucina is the only character that won from those two. Smash is always said to give a bias, but it’s not necessarily as clear to say that with this second round of winners.
Well I’m expecting a Switch winner next time
If that’s guess is based on it being the most recent game, then why didn’t a Fates character win the original poll?
Because Lyn fans were pushing nostalgia and Smash fans for the male side Celica did good because she’s the recent new waifu also Switch is big right now so the next Camilla or Lucina of it is gonna be big
I feel it’s that the more devoted fans to keep up with FE news are older fans, so they make sure to show their support. Newer fans’ likings seem to be all over the place, since most of the top favs are still 3DS characters.
Just my guess. There’s always chances of outside influences, like youtubers telling their followers to vote ___ and so they get more votes as well.
Not surprised by the results but I kinda wish the PoR and RD characters weren’t separated looked through and Jill (my choice) would have been much higher if the votes weren’t split XD
True that! Mia would have 9334 votes together and be on place 11 on the female side~
If there is another chance, we´ll do our best next time!
I’m hoping/assuming IS takes the split votes into account when looking over the results? Like, if character A gets 5,000 votes but character B gets 3,000 from one game and 3,000 from another, IS would logically just combine character B’s votes, if only to help with future development plans? One would think, anyway… it might also help explain some of the apparent randomness to the order new heroes are added.
Welp, huzzah for Hector, I suppose. RIP Marth.
As for my picks, I ended up with 151(Idunn), 229/456(Nagi), 296/383/453(Palla), and 390/559(Elice). Honorary mention to 251, who I would have voted for but I missed a day on both my accounts. Sorry, Limstella, you should have tied with Leon but I let you down.
Other Thoughts include a shout out to the 637 votes given to Layla, the fact that Shadow Dragon Roshea is now a demonic character at 666 with 82 votes, and a solemn salute to Garth from SoV and Bloom from Genealogy and the people who spared those 7 votes for each.
Proud of my son Owain for moving up to the top 30, and very happy for Haar, as well as Tibarn and Ranulf; would love to f i n a l l y see some laguz in FEH. …I feel really bad for Brady, though.
I’m just happy Delthea did so well. 18 in the females, if I counted correctly, is pretty good!
Personally, I went for Hector. Here, have a freebie!
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I can easily see Hector in the Top 4
So, is there a “right” answer to this? As in a unit that would be particularly valuable to have or is otherwise rare? I imagine if it’s a vote it will resemble CYL, but I imagine a lot of people have those characters, so I suppose the winner will be the most popular character that enough people don’t have…
I will guess Ayra
Good choice.
I would personally like L!Ike to win, as I cannot see myself summoning him from the legendary banner; my orbs are better spent trying to get my first Steady Breath fodder from B!Ike on HF 3. L!Ike has great fodder, and will likely come with a blessing for anyone using an Earth team, so he is useful in many different ways. If he doesn’t win though, I won’t be opposed to B!ike or Hector.
I’m would go either Hector or W!Tharja, both would be great fodder units with Hector having the much coveted Distant Counter and Tharja being a very good unit that is not available due to being a seasonal unit, plus she provides Close Counter or Vengeful Fighter.
V!Ike is a legendary hero so I imagine many people voting for him, but I find that to be short sighted, he isn’t as good of fodder as other units and he’s guaranteed to show up in future legendary banners. But I guess people can vote for whoever they want, so long as that unit is a super good unit that I either don’t have or has a very rare OP skill, I’m fine.
I am voting for Radiant Dawn Ike. Why? Because I already got Hector and when I earned another Hector, I used it as fodder for Distant Counter on Joshua. I will be voting for him every day and that’s fact!
Here you go, folks. Don’t really have anyone in mind gameplay-wise so I’ll just vote for my favourites as with CYL. I trust the fanbase’s pick to be decent anyways unless they somehow rally themselves into voting memes like Wrys to victory.
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Bartre all the way! Bwahaha!
Hero Fest? I will skip it. And about the 50 Orbs, I used some of them to try to get Myrrh… and I got her! I got a +RES -SPD Myrrh, and that’s really good.
Congrats mate!
Holy crap that’s exactly the same Myrrh I pulled today. Congrats to us both lol.
Yay! Myrrh for the win!
I actually got a +ATK/-HP B!Ike in only a few pulls then spent orbs and got Sanaki (+SPD/-DEF) and Siegbert (+ATK/-RES), I already have a Myrrh though (+DEF/-HP) so I’m pleased with my recent pulls and I’m now saving for the next banner that interests me.
I will vote again from my phone with my Nintendo account linked, so for now just gave a vote to Ephraim, he likely won’t need it and I have one, but he is one of my absolute favorites.
So here you go everyone:
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I’ve got three devices to vote from so I’ll just post all the wallpapers here for anyone who’s interested:
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Three more:
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People would do well to remember to vote for characters that are not easily acquirable or otherwise limited. Thus where my votes will be headed should be obvious.
Happy Happy Birthday Fire Emblem Heroes!
Feh’s birthday was actually in January. She said it herself in the recent Feh channel.
Happy Anniversary FE Heroes!
Now lets have a moment of silence for the chapter quests that lasted in the game for a whole year…
Haha I had three left that I was able to finish yesterday
I voted for Ninian, so here’s her wallpaper folks. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/be11e77e32680207926da1dfa2c07e2e298727cbd9cbcbda4e9bc9ea30b21daf.png
And here’s Marisa too (Yeah, I want to merge her as much as I can). I’ll also post other wallpapers in the future, if I ever vote for another unit.
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I can easily see the Top 4 units in a future banner.
Have some Titania, ladies and gents. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c89fa07706805f9075fa81d479ae0dc8b1f94b1a4b7596b08e47d818e3d7700b.png
I really like archers in Fire Emblem Warriors, and I hope Anna get a exclusive bow in the Shadow Dragon Pack, because Takumi and his Fujin Yumi with 720 Might is something!
Not a matter of if, more a matter of when. I’m 99% sure they will all get exclusive weapons.
I’m 99.99% positive that the six new weapons coming in the Shadow Dragon DLC pack will be for Caeda, Tiki, Anna and the 3 DLC characters. Just like the nine broken armor models will be the 6 Shadow Dragon characters, Lyn, Celica and Anna (since the OCs already have them).
Awakening DLC has 7 new weapons (Robin, Lissa, Frederick, Cordelia + 3 DLC) and 10 broken armor models (all Awakening characters, both Robins).
I did this, but with Sakura, meaning I lost some Luck and consequently trigger percentage, but got a Mage Killer specialist. A bow user with Lethality and Astra in general is a beautiful thing.
Since the original Valter’s GHB in August, a lot of really good units were released, so I could win the Lunitic without difficulties. But I know I am not ready for the Infernal.
And about the Celebratory Illustrations, kaya8 is my favorite artist in the game. Also, I would like to see more arts from Sasashima Suisei, the Abel’d artist. Abel’s art is amazing, so I would like to see new heroes made by Sasashima Suisei.
I’d like to see more of Haimura Kiyotaka (Deirdre, Julia), PenekoR (Eldigan, Valter, Saber), Haccan (Nephenee, Hinoka), Fujikawa Akira (Celica, Marisa) and Yamada Kotaro (all Lyns and Narcian)
I hope dragons get fucked hard with the new Falchion refinements that are coming up.
After playing Manakete Squad on freaking NORMAL difficulty, I have to agree, but if we’re being realistic the odds are against it.
I found it surprisingly not very hard, I just did it with my own Manakete Squad first try. I actually found the A Complete Hex map to be more annoying as it came down to separating P!Azura from the healers, and the Wrys Bodyguard one came down to baiting Wrys in for a ORKO so he couldn’t constantly undo the damage done to everyone else. Those 2 were the challenges that took me a few tries to trial and error it for ai manipulation.
“A Complete Hex” is really annoying. I needed to use a Light’s Blessing in that map.
And Wrys Bodyguard was not that difficult. I used Marth, NY!Takumi (with Refined Smoke Dagger and Windsweep), Bride Lyn and Gunnthrá.
That sounds great. Unfortunately, I have not yet been blessed with a Manakete Squad and had to make do. A Complete Hex was easy on my side as I run Delthea as my Blue, and Azura danced Lyn right up to us so Delthea picked her off right off the bat, and from there it was easy. Jakob was what almost screwed me over on Wrys Bodyguard, actually.
Jakob by himself was not a big deal, but all my damage was undone by Wrys, so I had to figure out how to one shot Jakob before he Ignis one shotted me, so I had my Effie (Slayer Lance+, DC) do it by having her set up a Quicken Pulse Ignis by engaging with Wrys which one shotted Jakob.
Got any Falchion users and/or Julia or Deirdre? Bring them. A Nino and/or Delthea plus a dancer should also work.
I think I did it with my current TT and arena team, which is Nino, Inigo, Fjorm and Marth.
all my falcion and naga tome users got completely deleted in this map… I have Lucina and masked marth, Chrom, Julia, and Deirdre and they all get deleted not even close
the thing is, if you cannot one shot them with those weapons its going to be a problem since they have the refined lightning breath which will attack Julia/Deirdre’s defense rather than res
Am I correct in noticing that, when previous GHBs returned, completed difficulties stayed completed? But they reset for Valter, so you can get three additional copies by completing these? (4 including the quest)
They didn’t reset for me.
Same as every other GHB, what was completed before is still completed.
My mistake, somehow I apparently missed Valter entirely the first time around.
Here’s your chance then. I’ve 5 starred one and have been using him on my flier team. There are probably better options but he’s been performing very well for me as my one flier tank with very little investment.
A complete hex was surprisingly easy, and Wry’s bodyguards was quite fun to play, but the mankete map… I quite impressive on lunatic difficulty how hard it is… my teams are either slow, or have low res, so these dragons destroy me… I only beat them via light blessings 🙁
A Complete Hex was hilarious for me. I just baited Lyn with my Cherche then proceeded to have her Brave Axe and Drag Back the healers with NY!Azura support and she tanked PA!Azura because she had Glimmer instead of Moonbow; I’d probably have had to equip the Close Defense SS at that point then. And it took me 2 Stamina pots until I thought of using armor emblem on the Manakete map, C!Tharja and Panic Ploy Arden say hello.
Poor Sharena…
Wasn’t there supposed to be something that was going to help us grind SP, like new Warriors-style maps? Am I remembering wrong? In any case I have a lot of that to do…
The Special Trainings Maps are coming on February 8th.
Ah ok. Thank you!
I recall that also… Also wasn’t there to be more daily grand hero battles? Alas patience is required
AHH!! AN ARMY WRYS!! Colorless hell is real for Sharena.
She seems happy enough about it, though.
This comic is so close to the truth when I saw it I thought my time had come
… same here except with Barst and Frederick
Where’s chapter 11 with Sharena befriending Wrys and grieving when he was offered for his skills?
“I suppose miracles happen after all!”
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Looks like Roy to me. At least, that’s my best guess right now. If it’s Valentine’s Day themed, then the other one could be Lilina. So that would mean the other two would be another prominent couple, or maybe just a Marth to match Bridal Caeda. In any case, I’ll wait for the reveal, but I’ve been trying for Elincia for a long time…
The twitter post seems to think it’s Roy and Lilina, but I kinda feel like I’m looking at Eliwood and Ninian. Granted, Eliwood and Roy have pretty similar hairstyles, but then, I feel like I’m also seeing Ninian’s head accessories here. Obviously, hard to be certain, but that’s what I’m thinking.
Why not both pairs?
But it seems likely to be Lilina on the right since there aren’t any strands of hair coming from the top. She wears some kind of hat on top.
Well, I’m not making any statements on the *banner*, just on this particular image. And I obviously can’t entirely dismiss the possibility for Lilina here, but I really don’t recognize any hat in this image. The fact that there’s no strands of hair sticking out at the top doesn’t seem to matter, because even Ninian’s original artwork didn’t have any strands stick out at the top. I honestly don’t think this is pointing to the character wearing any sort of hat.
Regardless, I’m really curious, and it’s almost certainly Elibean (is that the word?) characters, which is a nice change of pace from all the Awakening and Fates characters (with a random Caeda and Lyn mixed in)
The unit on the right looks to be a bow unit and, for me, the unit on the left is holding a tome.
Roy and Lilina and Valentine’s Day?
It’s going to be Robin and Tharja
It looks like Eliwood and Ninian to me.
+Atk/-Res Elincia, with only 4 tries…happy.
Also a lot of people think it’s going to be Roy and Lilina which, yeah…even though I initially thought Eliwood, the hair is Roy’s. You can tell from the center/cowlick of the hair, Roy’s is on the right side while Eliwood’s is on the left.
I don’t see a headband, but I guess this version of him doesn’t have it.
Look for the Brave Roy and if you compare the hair its the same
just found out an hour ago. still hoping for eliwood. the archer guy most likely has bow valor.
I don’t know how Caeda will wear a dress on her pegasus.
Minerva and Linde look great!
Why is everyone so certain that it’s Roy? That could be anyone’s hair.
It is roy. All four are binding blade and blazing blade characters.
HYPE!
Why does the one on the left seem damaged…?
Both Marth and Lyn look amazing. I was thinking about Tiki’s costume and I thought it could be a Nagi’s costume, but Nagi use a different outfit. So, maybe Tiki’s costume is a original desing.
The Devil Mountain is probably the Chapter 3 – A Brush in the Teeth map.
Also, “Broken armors for the SD cast + Celica and Lyn will also be added”. We will receive Anna’s Broken Armor as well.
And we also know the skills for Minerva and Navarre:
Minerva has Iote’s Shield, which negates any damage effectiveness (no weakness against bows), and Navarre has “Solitary”, which Raises stats if not paired up.
In Japan, the DLC pack is planned for February 15.
Marth is cute
Oh boy, I had no idea this was scheduled before Awakening’s DLC Pack!!
First off, Minerva looks amazing, I look forward to her Supports(she’d better have one with Cordelia after seeing Cordelia’s Caeda Support), and though I must admit I don’t have high hopes for her being not a Camilla clone, I’ll still hope for it this final week before her release! Plus, I mean, even if she IS a Camilla clone I’ll still use her a lot.
Navarre will also be exciting to see, even if I’m fairly sure he’ll just be a second Lyn. Should be interesting to see his interactions with the other cast members in Supports! Linde I’m neutral towards, as I never really used her in SD, so we’ll see how she holds up.
The costumes are wonderfully done, though it looks like Marth is stabbing Caeda in the hip in this shot…I’m especially looking forward to that Awakening Lyn!
Overall, interestingly enough I find this to be the DLC Pack I’m most excited for, even though Owain was my number-one pick for a Warriors – Tharja kind of kills the Awakening Pack for me, I’m really not interested in sending IS the message that I’ll pay money for Tharja, but I really want to play Owain, so it comes down to how unique and interesting Olivia is to decide whether it’s worth sending the message that Tharja sells.
I like Linde, and I actually expected her to be included before it was revealed, but I really wish they’d picked Camus instead of her for this DLC pack.
Both Owain and Tharja sell. I guess Olivia, too.
The Awakening Pack has almost the rest of the foreseeable cast. 😀
Eh, guess you have a point. I just don’t like sending them the concept that we like fanservicey characters, because devs are stupid in that section of gaming and think we like them BECAUSE they’re fanservicey, which isn’t always the case.
Actually i think tiki’s dress is a flower girls dress from a wedding, since she is still a child.
BROKEN ARMOR LYN, IM WOKE!
High quality boob jiggle here I come
should’ve been in from the start
Maybe they where not finished yet.
Welp, update has gone life, data has been mined, and oh boy, there is some crazy stuff in here…
I think Tiki’s dress might be from Tokyo Mirage Sessions
Awakening Falcion: “Our Bonds give me strength!”.
So if there is ever a CYL like Robin they could give him/her Rally Spectrum that would work like PA!Azura’s Uror.
I find it funny just how much shit people gave Camilla for having 3 alts already during the CYL2 voting and attributed that to why they didn’t want to see her win…yet nobody is complaining about Lyn now having 4 alts…fascinating.
Hector power crept himself, and Roy is going to be like Reinhardt. I did the calculations using neutral IVs and with Brave Bow+, Death Blow, Moonbow, and Quicken Pulse, he can barely ORKO VL!Ike so long as he doesn’t bulk himself up. He’s certainly going to pose a new threat when utilized in Horse Emblem. Speaking of Horse Emblem, Lilina is a better Cecilia.
For what it’s worth, Cecilia still has the better defensive line. Honestly, I think Gunnthrá is still better than Lilina, but Lilina is definitely good nonetheless.
What’s actually funny or unfortunate about Lilina is that she’s going to be a major tease for all the people going for Hector…I feel like I’m going to be one of those victims.
Nah, man, I believe in you, you’ll nail Hector first!
As for your original complaint, I found this interesting as well. I myself want like ten versions of Roy in the game, so I try not to complain about multiple variants of other Units for that very reason.
Thank man, you’re getting close to your own Roy Emblem team, all that’s left ideally is a blue and green one for balance, and preferably if one was a mage. It would be particularly funny if Roy’s blue and green alts were also horse units so that Roy emblem was also horse emblem.
Rorse Emblem Confirmed?! I’d sink cash for that.
I’ll happily complain about yet another Lyn, if you want. Then again I wouldn’t have wanted yet another Camilla either. At least for Hector and Lilina it’s the first alternate version.
I’m simply pointing out the mass hypocrisy of people who hated on not just Camilla (though she received the brunt of it as she was in the lead) but the other popular ones like Azura. I understand why people wouldn’t want repeated version, but I understand why IS repeats them…money. What irritates me is the hypocrisy since I don’t see any of that complaining right now; when did the FE community become so toxic?
I got it, just trying for some levity.
Toxic might be overstating things. Maybe just avoid reddit.
These weren’t reddit posts, this was on twitter (ok, I understand that) and…serenes forrest? One of the last bastions for the FE community wasn’t safe from it.
I didn’t really see any hate on here, but if you say so.
I see absolutely no reason why Azura gets the hate
and Camilla completely robbed Hinoka of her New Year variant, it’s no wonder why people don’t want a 4th variant of her before both Ryoma and Hinoka can get their 2nd ones
The hate on Camilla is kind of reciprocal to how so many people like her because big tits (I’m not saying this is the only reason people like her, but I think that’s where a majority of her fans come from). Lyn and Azura don’t get as much hate because they aren’t immediately sexualized characters. Ironically people hate her because the love for was kind of toxic, but now the hate has become that way with the whole “thot” nonsense.
I also think the fervor in the part of the Camilla fans contributes. It’s one thing to like her and another to think she’s the best ever and feel persecuted when others disagree. I mean, I have a soft spot for Faye, but you wouldn’t see me trying to make a scene of it
These two situations have different circumstances so there’s no hypocricy, rather a sigh of disappointment. I’m disappointed with how Azura and Lyn got extra seasonal variants, but they were both in banners that made sense for them to be in (I’m not justifying them being there, rather saying there’s logic in them being there). I’m less disappointed in Lyn than Azura because were getting 5 special heroes this time with 4 of them never having variants before as well as one being free to boot (Eliwood is my top lord so yay). I’d have been less disappointed with Camilla if she would have been in a Nohrian special banner, but she really had no place being in a Hoshidan banner. I’d understand Azura since she’d been raised in Hoshido for half her life, but Camilla stole Hinoka’s place. I’m not really giddy for any of these units to be honest (Roy and Lilina are pretty lackluster, Hector is basically Ayra and I want only Lyn since I lack blue mages). It’s the refinements and new weapons that excite me more.
Isn’t it 3 without variants? We already have 2 Roys. Unless I missed someone.
Brave Roy is in the normal summoning pool. He got a brave variant because of votes
Ah, so that’s what you meant.
I think Brave variants are at least kind of different since we asked for those variants before we had any other variants. I don’t mind Lyn here, because I like the aesthetic and the Blazing Sword callback. Bride Lyn was a waste in my opinion; I really didn’t like that whole banner, so I guess I’m fine with people getting a variant, and then a Brave variant, and then we leave them alone for awhile
I get the sentiment of Hinoka and Ryoma getting snubbed an New Year alt, personally I think the New Year banner should have been the Hoshidan siblings + Corrin like how the Nohrian summer banner should have been the Nohrian siblings + Corrin (which they were close to but still snubbed Camilla on). But I guess that’s not how IS operates. In the case of the New Year, Camilla can still make sense with it operating under the Revelations time line, so I have to disagree with Camilla not working in it. Does that mean I don’t think Hinoka and Ryoma got snubbed, no, like I initially stated.
But if you look at Lyn, this banner sorta makes sense with Lyn being the only shared romance between Hector and Eliwood, but it still feels contrived since it could easily have just been parent and child. But Lyn is popular and will make them money so they slapped her in. It’s similar to how inclusion in the Bridal banner, it sorta makes sense but is still contrived with there being plenty of candidates that make more sense. However that’s not the point of these seasonal banners, it’s not about making sense, it’s about pandering to the fans.
This banner seems to be Lycian noble themed, but I really didn’t want Lyn to be in since they could’ve made Lilina into the armored blue mage and Lyn already got her chance. If that would have been the case then I won’t pull for anybody at all.
I’ve always disliked Lyn shipping with anyone other than Rath so I somewhat dislike this banner because it tries to make a canon ship with Hector.
Roy himself is a harem lord and doesn’t have to be restricted to Lilina despite her loving him.
Alright, not quite what I expected, and I really could’ve sworn it was gonna be Ninian in the image and not Lilina, but… well… that’s how it is. Beyond that, a lot of stuff and HOLY CRAP ALM AND RAVEN. Those refinements are terrifying. Bunch of other stuff I’m excited for as well.
hey, is anybody else seeing Eliwood in the trailer as a lance unit? At first I just thought it’s Roy, but it’s Eliwood.
New Tempest Trial reward.
How many refinements do people have at this point? Because I’d really like use the new ones for Caeda (particularly), Raven, and Lucina, but I’ve found getting Divine Dew to be a chore. I can’t imagine when I’ll ever be able to afford the upgrades
I’ve only refined one weapon with Divine Dew so far, but have enough for one more. If I also spend all my normal refining stones I would have enough for a third. But it’s very difficult choosing who to use it on.
Ok then we’re in about the same place. I refined Minerva’s Hauteclere and buffed Julia’s Naga. I could probably also spend my stone for another one, but I don’t really have anyone to use the stones on at this point. Caeda’s Wing Sword is surprisingly potent though, and I want to be able to give it Flashing Blade…
I refined Ephraim’s weapon first. I was thinking about Minerva or Jeorge, but now maybe I’d rather do Marth. It would make mine even better for TT if his HP pool were bigger (got Renewal + Reciprocal Aid on him) and he was a passive all round buffer like that. But I’m also eyeing up Raven. I’ve got a 4*+9 at the moment, and if I were to promote the next 4* I get and merge him back to the +9, he would be really quite good like that. 52/40 Atk/Spd without buffs or stat raising skills, at that point might put something like fury or LnD on him.
… I replied to this earlier, but for some reason was marked as spam. This is the second time something like that has happened on serenes now… it’s kind of mystifying…
anyway, trying again:
I refined Ephraim’s weapon first. I was thinking about Minerva or Jeorge, but now maybe I’d rather do Marth. It would make mine even better for TT if his HP pool were bigger (got Renewal + Reciprocal Aid on him, but he’s -HP +Spd) and he was a passive all round buffer like that. But I’m also eyeing up Raven. I’ve got a 4*+9 at the moment, and if I were to promote the next 4* I get and merge him back to the +9, he would be really quite good like that. 57/45 Atk/Spd without buffs or stat raising skills (with the refined weapon), at that point might put something like Fury or LnD (again) and Desperation on him.
My pity breaking 5* Caeda (the second one even…) is +Atk -Spd which is somewhat tragic for this upgrade. So she stays benched. (the first one was +HP -Atk…)
Minerva is tough. She’s been powercrept pretty hard since her speed is only 33 without a boon or Fury, but obviously Refined Hauteclere Moonbow takes a chunk out of everything. I think you’ve got the right idea going with Marth unless you’ve got a Flier Emblem team you like. Jeorge is actually the only lower rarity unit I’ve never pulled (except Soleil now I guess), so I can’t speak on him.
Those Caedas are indeed rough. I happened to have a random +SPD/-HP one lying around, and while people seem to think +ATK is better, I’m hoping Flashing Blade will make up for it. I’m not totally sure what special to give her though.
I also have a +SPD/-RES Raven sitting at 4* and with the double LnD that gives him a 41/60/48/15/9 spread, which would probably still get him killed by anything red. I’m not sure how much work that’s doing over the Brave Set though. My guess would be that Fury is the compromise. It helps desperation anyway. But yeah, you would clearly have more experience with Raven than I would. I don’t know what to make of him right now.
I only got a Minerva very late, so my Flier team has had a Cherche on it for the longest time. Now at 4* + 10 and with a Brave Axe+ courtesy of a pity breaking Raven I don’t really need Minerva for a Flier team. She’d be on the backup Flier team if anything, which is why I’ve held off refining her weapon so far. But it would be nice to switch it up every once in a while. I’ve got enough good fliers to make a second wing squad.
Ever since I promoted Marth to 5* recently he’s been doing extremely well for me. So I think he will definitely get priority over Minerva at least. The spectrum combat buff synergizes well with his role as healer/buffer and occasional green slayer in TT for me.
Jeorge was my first archer back in February of last year. I used him a lot until I got any better alternatives. Also recently promoted him to 5* but I’m still far from finishing him. Since I’ve got other archers now, who I suppose are arguably better, I guess he will have to wait a little longer. (funnily enough it’s that very first one I promoted, pulled him at -HP +Atk before any of us even cared about IVs)
Of the 4* available ones I think I’m only missing Sothe now. After almost a year I finally pulled a Klein a few weeks ago.
Iceberg maybe?
My Raven is -HP/+Spd (I thought it was +Atk but I remembered wrong) and if I do what I mentioned he would be 4*+10 with 42/60/48/25/22 with Fury. Fury would definitely be the way to go. Raven could never take a hit in the first place, but a second LnD would absolutely make him too frail, as you said. And Fury + Desperation always synergize well. I’ve got Luna on him right now. Basilikos also accelerates cooldown so… I think I will definitely play around with this. So I guess that’s my divine dew planned… all I need is one more Raven.
For comparison with a Brave Axe+ 4*+10 Raven would be at 39/47/38/30/27 also with Fury. I think I prefer playing with the glassier one 😉 although both are probably quite fun. Since this is all before buffs. Well, I will get both a Brave Axe+ and Basilikos with my merge so I can test both. If he were to reliably quad when buffed to 42 speed with the Brave Axe+ one could even put something like Astra on him.
Berserk Armads? So… can normal Hector’s Armads receive a refinement in a future update?
Also, Eliwood has Rally Atk Def, Fire Boost and Goad Armor.
And what about the Armored Boots skill? Will it be a Tempest Trial reward? Armored Boots Sacred Seal?
I decided to refine Masked Lucina’s Falchion. She is +1, but now I am thinking to make her +3. I have a “normal” Lucina, but she is -Spd, and this is bad.
Also, I am a little disappointed with all Falchions refinements, because none of them have something extra against dragons.
A topped-off Alm will decimate dragons with that Double Lion effect, though. It effectively turns Falchion into a 16 Might Brave Weapon. …That is still effective against Dragons and gets Renewal 3. Wew.
I agree, but having “If foe is a dragon, neutralizes foe’s bonuses (from skills like Fortify, Rally, etc.) during combat.” would be cool.
Also, I do not have Alm so… yeah…
To be honest, I expected Falchion to get shafted.
Chrom does like 70 to Fae without buffs, and an extra +6 Def on her doesn’t matter, Lucina should be able to take 1 hit from Adult Tiki and kill her in two hits especially with Bond Spectrum. The only thing with Alm is he would need watersweep to nullify counter attacks from dragonstone but otherwise the ignore buffs doesn’t matter much since they either one-shot or should be able to double. The only issue is Nowi which is understandable.
The funny thing is that, unless Nowi runs Triangle Adept, even with Steady Breath Alm one rounds her.
The power of Alm is incredible
Something about Marth reminds me of Itsuki, which might mean IS is finally willing to pay attention to TMS again.
I’ll believe that when we get Heartless Chrom…uh, I mean, Mirage Chrom as a costume.
Felicia with her plate is… pretty good. I never thought to see Felicia killing armored units without her special attack.
Roughly speaking, what kind of build are you working with?
I didn’t make a build for her yet. She only has her place and Glacies. I still thinking what to do with her. She will not be part of my main team, but she will be a good unit for Arena Assaut.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, or for anything with armor… I have no idea if we’d want ATK, SPD, or maybe RES. Glacies or Astra? Probably Fury, maybe Desperation. I don’t know. I’ve already chosen to build Caeda, so it’s going to be forever until I refine one or get the right boon
Yeah. My Felicia is +Atk -HP. She has 31 Ho, 40 Atk, 37 Spd, 18 Def and 35 Res. Desperation is a good option. I was thinking about Death Blow or Mirror Strike.
Glimmer could be another option for her Special, because of the 2 cooldown.
Slap to the face for everyone who +10 merged Hector.
Lyn is meh, but is honestly the only one I’d pull from this banner.
Lilina is irrelevant due to Cecilia.
Roy is meh.
Guess who’s refining Alm’s weapon this week?
Roy is basically archer Reinhardt. Probably won’t be as potent as actual Reinhardt, but he’s definitely most threatening after Hector. Lilina is probably also the best Blade tome user of the three green horses, so they all have a niche. Lyn is fine for budget players who don’t have the new armor skills to give away.
And do report back on Alm. He sounds frightening with Double Lion
The problem with Roy is that he’s limited to this banner as well as a future legendary hero banner. Cecilia is still the best cavalry green mage due to easy availability and merges allowing for a greater arena score.
Thanks! Wish you luck on this banner as well as I hope you get an Alm in the future.
Ah I wasn’t thinking in terms of merges and availability. I see your point then. I would’ve thought the seasonal banners would be big for the more invested players, but maybe they’re only worthwhile if they have good skills, because of the exclusivity?
In any case, I’d love an Alm, though I’m having a hard time scrounging up the dew he would need.
Happy birthday Elieson!
Just saw Eliwood’s stats and skillset. He might be the second best TT reward unit we’ve gotten.
(The Comic): So many Wrys’s… Sooooo many Wrys’s….
I suppose that’s one way to make up for the underrepresentation of the elderly in Fire Emblem! XD
…And of course, there is no Sharena or Anna among the figurines. Reinhardt and Wrys the twin memes are in, though.
Well… They are Vol.1 and Vol. 2. Maybe we will see a Vol 3 or more in a near future.
I’m hoping for Deirdre and Robin next, since we have Lucina and all of the Jugdral family present already.
Well Tap Battle was, unsurprisingly, tedious, but I do like how they’ve at least realized their writing can at least strive for entertaining (and it was!). Hector is terrifying.
Alas, with two sets of new heroes coming and another 4/5* banner, I can’t find it in me to pull here. And that’s not even mentioning the shot at Alm and Hinoka.
Unless there is some hidden reward at the end, I don’t see the point of doing more than one round of tap battle, since the rewards don’t even scale with difficulty. There is also no way I’m turning on voices, so there’s no appeal in this to me.
Regarding the bgm, I’ve played with sounds off in general for quite some time now due to that inconsistency.
I haven’t found any reason to do more than one round, thankfully, and even the rewards are kind of boring. You’d almost think there would have to be something to justify even developing the game mode, because it seems like a really roundabout way to give us one orb, a few crystals, and whatever else it is.
It would have been more appealing if you could grind it for more stuff, and if they gave you some control over the music. Starting with the map themes from Binding Blade and Shadow Dragon (which we’ve probably all heard a million times) was not ideal
Yay! Lucky me! I got LA!Hector as my free summoning! And after 60 more Orbs, I got LA!Lyn (Yes! Lyn Emblem!), and, for my surprise and happiness, Ninian in the same summoning session!
I got a +Res – HP Hector, a +Atk – Res Lyn and a +Spd – Def Ninian.
The “Falchion” Summoning Focus will be something. Only Red units as focus. Corrin and Azura BHB? Iam ok with it. It will probably have Male Corrin? Also, the banner always have 3 units, so… M!Corrin, Azura and… maybe Felicia (because she is Corrin’s retainer and she got a new weapon), or even F!Corrin. I am happy with Arvis’s return. He is a good unit, and free Def Ploy is always welcomed. The “Shadow Dragon” maps are based on Warriors, so… a lot of reinforcements! And finally, GHB Elite quest are really interesting. Not only we will get a lot of orbs, but also 4-stars heroes and blessing, which will help you a lot in for the new “Legendary Mode”.
congratulations on the Lyn Emblem mate!!!!
My friend and I both have 3 of the 4 Lucinas… He needs normal while I need spring…
Got the new hector only to get a + speed and – Def one… Definitely hope I get a better one with more rolls.
This banner gave me bountiful gifts. Effie with +atk -spd, Jaffar -hp +spd, Hinoka at neutral and Vlyn (+hp -def). All in 130 so it was worth the amount. Was only sniping blues
100 orbs later, and Hawkeye comes in to ruin things for me…again. I’m seriously starting to hate Hawkeye, please IS, get rid of these 5* pity breaks. Things are not turning out well with this banner.
I hope you get a focus hero. Good luck!
I am so sorry…best of luck to you. Hawkeye has done me in before too…
Ugh, I know what you mean…I blew 120 Orbs on the Hero Fest that featured Genny and had it broken by a Kagero and then a Lucius. Sanaki’s also kicked me in the nuts before as well. It’s super frustrating that so many meh Units are in the 5S Pool when maybe three players in the world will ever be happy pulling them. Same goes for quite a few 4S Units – Bartre in particular won’t leave me alone, and I’m sick of pulling him.
Finally pulled a LA!Hector, +Res/-Def…at least it’s not -Atk, I’m just happy I got someone.
Hey, at least you got the one you were initially looking for! Plus, you managed to not have your Pity Rate busted by Lili…wait. Hawkeye was a worse Break. Sigh…well, you got your Hector and I got my Roy, so we’re both good!
after spending a lot of orbs hoping for a myrrhricle, my free summon on this banner was a L’arachel…
Also, just use a good Horse emblem on infernal Lloyd, it honestly is super ez
This banner reminds me of Beauty and the Beast.
The cipher Lucina art still is gorgeous!!!
Absolutely. I’d love to have it as a wallpaper on my laptop.
Oh yeah same!!!!!
“The new sprites on the binders do not reflect any future game plans.”
…Shut up Vince, let us dream.
Also RIP not living in Japan because a festival of people to play Cipher with is a beautiful thing and the rest of us have to sit on the sidelines and cry ourselves to sleep at night waiting for an internationalization that’s about as likely as a No Game No Life Season 2.
Cool props…
Time to book a flight to— oh, no Light Brand? Pass.
Hmmm, looking at early builds for Hector and Lyn, and also at the Armor GHB quests, I’m starting to think Armor is the “qhale” playstyle where cavalry is the budget style. Most of the new armors are special or locked into 5*, and the really viable builds seem to make heavy use of Bold Fighter, Vengeful Fighter, and Armor March, which would be expensive to get (and now impossible in the case of the first two), much less fodder. The only armors I have are the free Black Knight and Zephiel, Effie, and Normal Hector, but I could see people not even having that, so I’m a little worried about those quests.
Sigh.
They’re showing off Summer Sharena so much. Wonder if she’ll actually be a thing in the game sometime. 😀
@Sisyphe So I refined Alm’s Falchion and now he’s a total beast. Mine is +hp -res so his overall combat ability isn’t that affected. I’m running Death Blow, Hit and Run, Threaten Def, and Heavy Blade seal on him. Glimmer to enhance the dragon effective damage.
There was a skill called Armor Boots found in the datamine so I’m guessing it’s a brand new seal that has an seal original effect.
That damage sounds absurd. How are his matchups? Can he handle Nowi or other blues at all? I guess he functions a lot like Brave Chrom, so he’s probably still at risk of getting blown up by mages on enemy phase.
If I remember correctly, Armor Boots allows an armored unit to move two spaces at full HP. I suspect it will be the 40,000 reward in the Tempest Trials. It will be pretty useful for armor teams, who I’m getting increasingly concerned about.
By having Dark Aura give +6 atk and +3 atk from Lucina’s Geirskogul as well as Delthea’s Drive Atk giving another +3, plus Axezura’s quadruple stat buff affecting other stats, plus summoner support, plus ally support, he can kill every opponent in the game with their default kits according to FEH mass simulator. And by using just a simple 1 on 1 match up with these buffs on Alm against Nowi who maximized her defensive capabilities with a def boon, summoner support, fortify dragons, ally support, double close def, def refined lightning breath, triple drive def, fully charged escutheon, shield pulse, Alm still wins. TA Nowi fucks him in the ass though. And my Alm doesn’t even have +atk. I have all these units for buffs so this team should be fun.
I run Hit and Run so he can escape foe’s range.
I like Hit and Run on him. I think that was a good call. Axura is a great partner as well since she dances and buffs, beats TA blues, and can tank Reinhardt. I have to imagine cavalry would still give him a hard time because of their range, because I can’t imagine he’s taking many hits in this meta.
I have all these units as 5-starts in my Catalog. I made both Klein and Clarine 5-stars last year, but with her I only did it to give my Genny Fear+. And I was Lucky to get Ninian when I was trying to get LA!Lyn. For this banner, I will only get the free summoning.
It is becoming more and more difficult for us F2P players.
Another Trial without a +40% character for me…
On auto-battle Hard 5 you use an extra 760 Stamina (or maybe closer to 640, I think I messed my math up somewhere), ignoring the 3x multipliers. With a 1.2x focus you overall would need 4180 stamina to reach 100k points, this number does include the 3x daily bonus. You would only need 2090 stamina to reach 50k and only 1672 stamina to reach 40k points for the final notable reward. Assuming you use your 100 Stamina twice a day you can get 200 per day without pots, or 2800 used over the course of the entire event without using stamina pots. Alternatively you get 1400 over the course of the event if you only play once a day.
So beyond that (assuming you put in the effort any F2P should and you’re making using 200 stamina a day) let’s see how many stamina pots you would need for the three important thresholds:
40,000: 1672 – 2800: You’ve met the goal playing free with a 1.2x focus and even have time to spare.
50,000: 2090 – 2800: Again you’ve met the goal easily as a F2P with a 1.2x focus.
100,000: 4180 – 2800 = 1380 Stamina required to hit 100,000 points. Which is 14 Stamina Pots. Which is less than the amount you get for free from playing daily and completing the associated quests. (1 per day week one and 2 per day week two).
This is not difficult at all.
EDIT: Especially because you have Clarine as a 20% focus, who any F2P should have at least one of.
Point is people also have one thing called “a life”.
I can’t spend all my time consuming 200 stamina points per day, not even leaving the game on auto since it requires me to confirm some choices at the beginning of every map.
Each run takes ~5-6 minutes with confirmations at most.
5 runs per 100 stamina = 30 minutes.
200 stamina per day = 1 hour.
You don’t even need to be actively paying attention for that whole time. I do HW or exercise or watch shows or anything else at all while grinding TT. Autobattle 5 is the least effort you could possibly put into an event like this and it has such minimal risks associated with it that you can look over every now and again while doing anything else and be fine.
There’s a difference between saying a game is becoming harder for F2P and complaining that you don’t want to put in the effort to properly be F2P. If you want the rewards for playing an event, then you actually have to play the event and considering the rewards consist of:
42 Orbs.
Three Seals.
2 V!Eliwoods (who is our second source of Goad Armor.)
Lots of Crystals, big and small.
An Earth Blessing.
11k Feathers from points alone.
and 80 Sacred Coins.
It speaks that minimal effort would be required on a F2P player’s end to reach the top scores. I haven’t even covered the placement rewards, daily quest rewards, SP farming benefits or even the HM farming rewards you receive from TT.
As a word of advice try this: 100 Stamina in the morning while you wake up and get ready for the day. 100 Stamina in the evening while you have dinner and wind down for the night. And then you can use stamina pots on the weekend to boost your score if you want the extra rewards from 50,000 points+.
Even if you don’t want to play twice a day, you’ve still almost reached the 40,000 point threshold for all important rewards by playing once a day and then using a couple extra runs here or there beyond that.
There is no excuse for a F2P not to hit 40,000k or even 100,000k points. This is not FGO, this is not a hard grind.
EDIT: At most a TT run will take 5-6 minutes, usually only 2-3.
“At most a TT run will take 5-6 minutes, usually only 2-3.” The highest difficulty one? That is 7 maps right? You think 20-50 seconds a map? (not to mention for some F2P players that requires using only your best possible units, who don’t benefit as much from the SP). (FWIW, I don’t think a top-level TT run has ever taken me less than 10 minutes, and I don’t beat it with a single team if I try to auto-battle through it.)
I explicitly stated Hard 5. Which is a level 30 difficulty setting with 5 maps.
Turn off all animations and you’re looking at easily fitting into a 36 second per map period at the higher end of the time it would take to complete a map.
On top of this you could spend even less grinding if you had a team capable of handling Lunatic 5 or even Lunatic 7 on auto-battle. However I agree that that is a lot more difficult to achieve, which is why I used auto-battle 5 in my premise.
I don’t think you’re wrong, because I haven’t, and can’t, check your math, but I probably would’ve recommended a gentler tone. As a F2P player, I’m mostly fine with them giving us a 20% unit, and I’ve maxed the Trials every time, even the first time, which sucked. People can pay for convenience I guess.
Besides, it really hard to lose even on the hardest difficulty with a Xander-Reinhardt-Cecilia-Brave Lyn Horse Emblem team, which is two free units and two units available at 4* or less, and my Reinhardt is even -ATK. I don’t even have any crazy skills on them. In fact, my Xander still has Armored Blow. So I guess I’ll just use this comment as another reminder that all F2P people should have that team build, and the Trials will never be an issue if you do. At least, getting to 40k won’t be. Any higher and you will have to work for it.
You’re probably right that I could have used a gentler tone. I just tend to find it hard to keep my cool when people complain about something being difficult when instead it is just them being lazy or inefficient.
As for my math: I did make a few errors, but the end results are the same. I’ve redone my math, along with a better tone, and put it better on Reddit here if you would like to see the full math: https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/7wy7ii/tempest_trials_focus_unit_type_vs_total_stamina/
No worries. It didn’t really bother me, but well, you have to play to your audience, which is fine too. The Reddit post looks really thorough though. I’ve never used auto-battle before, so it was really helpful for me. Thanks!
As expected, Xander Infernal is the first of the Infernal maps whose quests I have no chance of complete with my Emblem teams. I expect Robin and Ursula to be similarly insurmountable. I really hate leaving orbs on the table, but I guess the blessings are the primary prize with the new game mode coming (ick).
Xander’s Infernal battle is really difficult to win with Emblem teams. I only got with my Infantry Team (thanks to VL! Ike), and with my Armored Team (thanks to WE! Tharja)
Yeah, I beat it with my normal team (Micaiah, Sothe, P!Azura, and Genny) for the Infantry win, but none of my Emblem teams have the dancer/movement skill combo, so I can’t survive any of the attacks. Without that, you basically need certain units (Sigurd for cavalry, Tharja for armor, Palla could probably tank the green mages), so I’m stuck
Yeah I can see Christmas Tharja being broken for that map, I haven’t done it yet because I have limited feathers and box space. For flier emblem my -Res Tana could tank a hit from the green cav with double ward and takes 0 from Xander. From there it was Desperation Minerva and NY Azura nonsense, but you said you don’t have the dancer combo which sucks.
I don’t really understand why a dancer combo is basically essential for these maps. I realize most people have them, but I’m sure there are other ways to design the maps. My Caeda with 37 Res couldn’t survive Xander, the green mage, and the WoM healer, who finished her off at 1 HP by doing 1 point of damage. I pretty much quit after that.
That’s funny doing 1 damage when you have 1 HP left, I had something
similar happen with my Distant Defense Fury Corrin being reduced to 1
health after the green cav then Xander killing her doing 1 damage. Maybe you could use Narcian to take out the Lance enemy, reposition him with Caeda or Palla so Xander goes in her direction, but even from there the other green mage is an issue if you don’t have a ranged or distant counter unit. Hopefully you get some luck in getting a unit that can fill those criteria other than that the emblem team quests for Xander’s infernal seems ridiculous if you don’t have certain seasonal units.
Yeah, I’m out of repositions too, is the thing. I feel like that will change eventually, and once it does, I’ll probably figure fliers out. Besides, I guess I have a year…I’d like to think I’ll acquire a Sigurd by then, for instance, which will help with cavalry. I really just don’t like playing armors though, so I only have the common and free ones.
I really didn’t have any trouble with the Emblem teams with his infernal, but that’s just because I lucked out in pulling certain units (like LA LYN and HA Nowi), but what I will say is fuck that mode for horse emblem. That’s the version that a majority of people (and me) are having trouble with. If it wasn’t for that asshole Keen Wolf Tome user on the top, and the fact that Infernal Xander is set up so you can’t ORKO him, then it wouldn’t be as bad. (yeah, Guard, Aegis, Panic Ploy, & DEF RES buffs….you know the devs were making this unbelievably hard on purpose).
I used Sigurd, Reposition Brave Lyn, Mirror Strike Gunnthra, and Hone Calvary Mathilda. First I repositioned Sigurd with Lyn so he could kill the green cav, then with speed smoke and hone cavalry buff Gunnthra could kill the green mage and I had Mathilda block the sword enemy. Xander then proceeds to aggro onto Lyn who takes one hit and things were simple from there.
Surprisingly, Xander is the least of my worries, since Caeda, S!Corrin, and Reinhardt kill him easily. It’s really not so bad if you can survive the first turn, but I just can’t right now with the units and skills I’ve got.
I managed to deal with that Keen Green by equipping Quickend Pulse on Brave Roy, who killed Keen and damaged the regular green near him enough for Brave Lyn to finish him off from down below. Reinhardt and Gunnthra were just there as Reposition bots with the former dealing some helpful damage on Xander and the other Sword. From that point on the rest of the map was easy.
Though I suppose Roy and Lyn couldn’t have survived that tactic if they weren’t both at +2.
Hey, finally a shot at Ninian! I was wondering when I’d get another one of those.
Anyone else wondering what the hot springs are meant to be for at the end of the tap battle? So far nothing has come of it unless it’s suppose to give something for completing all difficulties or something. Otherwise it seems like a giant let-down.
upcoming onsen dlc to make up for fates’ lost face petting in the west
Better yet, Hot Spring Banner, featuring Wyrs wearing a towel…you’re welcome for that image.
We’re joking, but we both know that at this point anything is possible. For added effect he should share banner with three lolis.
Honestly, if the Wrys were competitively viable, you know people would break the bank for him
perhaps he’ll get a support skill like how other units are getting new weapons. something like barrier maybe
Probably. Being competitive in this game is kinda stupid though imo. The only time I’d actually spend money is if there’s a character I really want, such as a certain nonexistent Marisa.
They could give us a Sacred Seal insted of the Hot Springs. For me, it was only a special scene.
I think that those who bathe in the hot spring get a special trait that would be explained in the future
Apparently all it does is speed up Ally Support gains…so yeah, a giant let-down.
Some of the opening dialogue for the Tempest Trials comes directly from Binding Blade. I love when they do stuff like that.
Also, surely Armored Boots isn’t compatible with EVERY hero; instead just armored ones, right? I’m not ready for four-move horses.
If it stacks with Armor March I’m not ready for three-move armors either… I find Armor March overpowered already, with the inflated armor stats taking away their one disadvantage is just ridiculous. If one of them can now move three spaces… just no
You make a good point. I am also not ready for that. I don’t necessarily find Armor March overpowered, but I think the defense tiles and the recent armor power creep have definitely not helped things
Considering we now have armors with insane speeds but still the same high defence and res stats I find Armor March a bit much. It’s extra stats without any drawbacks? Despite having some good armors and Armor March available I still don’t find them particularly fun to play.
I mean, I pulled LA!Lyn inside 5 orbs (lucky for once though I wasn’t even trying for her) and got +Spd -Res. Which is really good. But my point is 39 speed unbuffed on an armor? wtf (armor mages to begin with… )
And it’s not like the rest of her stats are bad, only HP is a bit low for armor.
But nevermind that… the beast that is WE!Tharja…
oh well
That being said, I did get another Raven and did what I said I would. It’s fun but insane. I went overboard and put Galeforce on him for the hell of it. Technically he would probably be best with Draconic Aura (I gave him the Heavy Blade 3 seal, figured with 60 Atk unbuffed I could use that).
So he’s now got Basilikos + LnD 3, Reposition, Galeforce (or Luna or Glimmer, depending on what I feel like), Fury 3, Desperation 3, Threaten Def 3 and the Heavy Blade 3 Seal. 42/60/48/25/22
Because I’m crazy, I currently have him in a team with a dancer with Hone Atk 3, Fjorm with Drive Atk 2 and gave him an Earth blessing and L!Ike makes a great buddy for him. That’s 69 attack…
Kills basically anything.
I agree with you actually. I didn’t find Armor March overpowered when it came out with Amelia, but as you said (and I said) the power creep of the higher BST armors, with mages, and speed, and even more ridiculously balanced defenses has made it a little much. I’ve seen Winter Tharja for example that, once on defense tiles in the arena, even my blue mages like Reinhardt and Delthea can’t duel.
I also commented elsewhere that I think they’re using armor as the new whale bait since all the crazy armor skills are so hard to get. But even then, I also don’t find it particularly fun to play them.
How are your matchups? I’m sure he obliterates stuff like Nowi and Effie, but is he getting wins over neutral tanks like B!Ike? Can he handle reds at all? I kind of feel like the disadvantage means he’s won’t get those kills or survive the counterattack, but desperation could change that. Obviously units like him become more valuable the more wins they get outside of their color advantage
I tried to reply twice in detail but Disqus has decided to mark it as spam no matter what I do… let’s hope this works.
So here’s the shorter version… he does extremely well against almost anything. With the buffs and team I described above (their default buffing skills) and added ally support S rank and threaten defense working, there is only Laslow who survives him engaging at full health, if I switch to Draconic Aura and Vantage.
With my current skillset that number goes up to 5 who beat him, notably including only winter Chrom and valentine’s Hector, no one else worth mentioning.
Unbuffed and with my current skillset and without threaten defense taking effect he loses to 20 charas, notably among those the ones already mentioned plus Zelgius, winter Tharja, Black Knight, Sigurd, Hector, Effie and Myrrh.
Even in enemy phase at full health he will only be KOed by 21 charas, this is without any buffs or threaten. He will actually win a few of his matchups he loses in player phase this way, all the ones mentioned except winter Tharja. Of course these are all just with their base skillsets and unmerged 5 star. With the buffs etc. in enemy phase he does just as well as player phase losing to only 5, Elincia and Sanaki worth mentioning.
All in all he’s an insane beast really, at 4 stars plus 10.
This is all without desperation, his matchups looks a little bit worse if he’s in range. Draconic Aura and Vantage may be better, but for repeated use Draconic Aura and Desperation should be best. If his special is charged nothing survives being initiated on. Go Raven. I shall have fun with Galeforce though and the monster I created.
Armored Boots Sacred Seal is exclusive to Armored units, and cannot stack with Armor March.
I do like the idea of the Armored Boots, promoting mixed teams, though we’ll have to wait until people get it and test it out to see it’s viability. I usually like to run mix teams in the arena since the same emblem teams every week gets boring.
Zelgius with no Alondite is a nice touch IntSys, the mixups are real. But in all seriousness, the high number of armor slaying weapons is annoying for this tempest trial with 4 of the 8 bonus units being armored.
I like to use mixed teams too. With mixed teams, we can use tactics skills. Also, Zelgius with no weapon is funny.
Now, about the armor slaying weapons in this TT… every time I found Micaiah, I have difficulties to win, especially if she is in the final map.
Micaiah is a huge pain, I usually have to get lucky with enemy placements and use my +res LA!Hector, after P!Azura dance buffs, to bait her. Despite triangle advantage, he still takes a crap ton of damage which is why if another enemy can attack, especially if it’s another mage, he’s screwed, and since he’s also -def, hard hitting greens and reds too.
My LA! Hector is + Res, but I used to different tactic. I am not using a dancer in this TT. My team is: LA! Hector, LA! Lyn, Bride Lyn and Marth. With Bride Lyn’s Drive Res, Marth’s refined Falchion and LA! Lyn’s ally support, I can give my Hector +7 Res during combat, and also from ally support and a combination of Marth’s Falchion and Marth’s Drive Spd, Hector also get +7 Spd, making Hector not get doubled too often.
I made a summoning session today.
Good side: I got LA!Lilina!
Bad side: She is Atk bane.
Updating right now!
Ok. Linde is the character with a different moveset, and she is great! She is so fun to play with.
Minerva is a Camilla’s clone, and Navarre is a Lyn’s clone.
Ah, as expected…screw their lack of willingness to expend more effort for my ungrateful enjoyment.
Honestly, Camilla and Lyn are two of the best characters in the game. It’s not like getting another Archer or Pegasus Knight. Also, and this is based on my quick playing of her, but Minerva feels more like a Defense Tank to Camilla’s Resistance Tank, so she is at least filling a niche that isn’t already filled.
Fair, I got that idea from Minerva too – it helps that her Skill shuts Archers down, allowing her to be more Defense-focused. My issue is more that there are two clone characters, rather than which two are the clones, considering it already felt like the only reason they included Shadow Dragon to begin with was because of the Marth Clause obligations. Really, my final verdict on this pack will be waiting until we get the Awakening one – Owain’s clearly a Ryoma clone, but if both of the others are brand new movesets that(at least to me) proves they mainly thought of this game as Fateswakening Feat. Marth. If, on the other hand, Tharja copies Robin as I suspect she will, I think I personally can let the double clone issue slide.
Also, am I the only one who thinks Linde’s run cycle looks kind of ridiculous?
With Linde now, I don’t know if Tharja will be a Robin clone or a Linde clone.
And, for sure, Olivia will be the one with a new moveset. I can easily see Olivia’s strong attack (Y) have the same effect of Azura’s strong attack.
I’m surprised that Linde has a support with Niles, another DLC character. Gives me hope for an Azura/Olivia support! Would really like that.
Maybe because Niles was already in the game data. Probably Oboro, Niles and Owain will be the only ones to have support. But I want a Azura / Olivia support.
I prefer to use the original costume insted of the promoted costume… but Navarre’s promoted costume is way better than the original one. He looks great in the Hero outfit.
It’s funny how the player phase on the Navarre Map is just silence, I wonder for a bit if I accidentally muted it until I heard the usual enemy phase theme, a clear oversight. Wonder how long it will take for IS to realize, doesn’t really matter for me though since I usually keep my phone muted because of the constant shift between player and enemy phase themes, and how irritating it gets.
It’s not just you; I experienced the same thing!
Well, they fixed that bug and the music is finally playing in the Navarre Map, so we’re good.
Yeah, when going through the DLC myself, I immediately noticed that these characters are better at standing on their own merit than Fates did by filling out the roster with unmounted lance users with a character dedicated to support (sorry Niles, I may have you as my system voice, but you’re not that good beyond your skill).
I was honestly shocked at Linde having a unique moveset and Minerva doesn’t, but Linde’s moveset does wonders for her and Camilla’s was already rather good, so if it ain’t broke, it shouldn’t be fixed, I guess. Minerva has the highest strength in the game in addition to being a flier immune to bows (and Falchion, too!). She’s likely gonna be a dominant character from here on. Linde’s moveset and excellent magic make her do well in crowds. And anyone who has played Lyn long enough should know very well that Navarre being her with higher strength makes him already dominant.
All in all, anyone looking for good characters to play with should get this DLC. This article is great!
Whoever’s been designing these promotion costumes deserves a medal.
FINALLY! I was waiting for a summoning focus with lancer Azura!
UPDATE: SHE ENDED UP BEING MY FREE SUMMON!!! AHHH!!!!!!
congrats! what are her IVs?
+Atk -Def 🙂
Hi Kirie, don’t you mean “without losing a unit”? “Without using a unit” would be quite the achievement indeed 😉
I am surprising to see IS found a way to make the battles harder, by reducing the special cooldown for the 1st turn. This is cheating! Oh well… It is really challenging, and, for me, one of the main reasons is having my team separated.
Also, why Kagero? It should be Felicia or Jakob in the banner.
And, sorry for the players who don’t have PA!Azura, but I hope she don’t win the Hero Rise event. She is the only unit who don’t have a use besides of being a really good dance. The others 3 are both really good units and skill fodders.
If Urðr was not a exclusive weapon, I would love having another PA!Azura to give my NY!Azura the Urðr axe.
Felicia will (supposedly) already be on the “New Power” banner on the 20th.
I did expect a Corrin’s retainer to fill the third spot, but with Felicia out of the question, the choice boils down to Jakob or Gunter. Jakob is already one of the most unwelcome five-star pity breaker, and Gunter is extremely common and mostly used as source of Hone Cavalry.
Neither Jakob nor Gunter would incentivise pulling grey or green (respectively).
I’m proud of the voters for their choices. I think I’m probably actually going to vote for Tharja. I can’t deny the usefulness, especially since I already have PA!Azura
It’s not a bad pool, but I do have all 4. My VL Ike is -Def though so I’ll probably vote for him. Hector and Tharja would be great for their skills too. PA!Azura is arguably the most useful but I like the IVs on mine *selfish* and she’s not that interesting as skill fodder.
I’ll see what I come up with. Probably fliers as well.
Btw, I did reply to your enquiry about Raven’s matchups, it just took me a long time because Disqus marked my replies as spam twice…
So you did. Well, I guess I’ll just respond here then. Desperation vs. Vantage seems like a major question, since the former is a little easier to use at the expense of less damage in the end. Plus, it allows him to 2KO. I’d probably lean Vantage at first, but I’m interested to see what you find. Additionally, I tend to buff speed over attack, so I’m wondering if that would be more useful as far as team support. My Raven is +SPD/-RES though, so he’ll already hit 46 SPD at 5* with no merges and LnD + Fury
Also, I also have a PA!Azura, so she’s basically TA fodder to me. I have a PoD Ike, and I don’t really feel like I need the Vanguard version. I’d probably fodder one of them. I also have Hector, so that leaves Tharja, who also has the advantage of breaking certain PvE maps
I’ll stick with Desperation for now as it lets me initiate multiple times, or bait once, initiate from then on. He’s actually sturdier than expected, probably because the chances of getting doubled are really slim at 48 speed, at least with the kind of arena matches I get with my team, and outside obviously anyway. For him attack is more beneficial than speed (as buffs go, mine is +Spd -HP), for others I don’t know. I generally prefer speedy glass cannons anyway, and when I can I buff both attack and speed. Just the team I’m currently using Raven with doesn’t have anyone to buff speed. Instead I have VL Ike’s Defense Tactic, a Hone Attack and a Drive Attack plus the Earth Blessing’s bonus. Outside of Earth season I might run him with another red, most of my regularly used sword users have Hone Speed.
I see, so your Raven is 5*. For me he is a great unit for 4 star stacking, I find I pull him quite frequently.
Yes, but TA is easy to get elsewhere, so the others would be nicer for skills. If I get another Ike I might fodder the -Def one I have, although he’s been performing well enough despite that terrible bane. Any free 5 star is nice in the end.
Winter Tharja is nice to have for sure, I can attest to that XD Just put her somewhere and watch everyone kill themselves on her. Always bait.
Ah, but I guess if everyone has a winter Tharja that might get quite annoying in arena. (I’ve never put mine, nor Brave Lyn, I find it way too annoying facing her all the time)
I only have the one Raven I mentioned, who is actually 4*. I haven’t promoted him because I don’t have the dew for the Basilikos. Once I do, I’ll just take your word for it and go for Desperation. You make a good point that he can tank a hit during enemy phase and get into range pretty easily with his HP. Most of my units have either Drive Spd or Drive Atk, with a preference for Spd, but I guess I’ll see how the matchups turn out.
I have PA!Azura, so I wouldn’t vote for her, especially since as you said, TA is available elsewhere. However, I have some friends who don’t have her, and I can’t fault people who don’t have her for voting for her. Winter Tharja is tough for me in Arena Assault, because she can even beat my blue mages depending on stats, build, or defense tiles. However, for Arena, I run Micaiah, or Reinhardt if I’m running Horse, so she’s since stopped bugging me. I’m more interested in her for her PvE potential, as I said.
I see.
If you don’t already have PA!Azura she’s definitely the best choice from my point of view too. Guess we’ll see how it turns out.
Ah, it’s not winter Tharja who bothers me atm, Fjorm deals with her fine as well. Brave Lyn is annoying. I can deal with her, but the range and the fact that DC doesn’t work means you have to either be extremely careful or bring a build to specifically deal with her and not much else. Like a TA Raven Bowbreaker. Currently have that on Inigo, so at least I don’t “lose” a slot for it, but his BST is terrible. Well, I don’t really care about getting to Tier 20, I’m comfortable going between 18 and 19 all the time.
I also choose to hover between 18 and 19. Micaiah KOs Lyn on the counter under most circumstances, so that helps me. However, in Arena Assault, I was seeing so many Lyns that I built out six separate Raven users (Robin-M, Robin-F, Lilina, S!Camilla, Inigo, and Lyon). Plus, I have Sheena with Bowbreaker and a Masked Marth with a Fury/Threaten Speed combo to tank a hit and double next Player Phase. I kind of think it’s ridiculous that I need most of that…
Same here, only it’s male Robin, Inigo, Lyon, Merric, Boey, female Corrin, adult Tiki and a Bowbreaker Cecilia who can do it for me (with Gronnblade though). It is ridiculous for sure.
Btw my current arena team with Raven, Fjorm, Inigo and VL Ike somehow defended against someone running this:
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Someone is really devoted to Eliwood. And has to be a whale… I looked into the skill list and there was almost every skill available on that Eliwood.
Not too hard. Did all three difficulties with Sheema and Tana on the left side, and Marisa and Tiltyu on the right.
Also, while I dislike Tharja, this voting really means nothing. I kinda want VF more than DC so I’m gonna vote for her as well, although I would’ve preferred BF since it suits my Sheema build better.
I only won the Lunatic with flying emblem team.
My team is: NY!Camilla, NY! Azura, NS!Corrin and Myrrh.
Edit: I didn’t try the Infernal yet.
I never played their games, but these characters look amazing!
I am looking forward to the awakening dlc
I’m voting W!Tharja, I have a -Atk/+Spd, absolute worse IVs, and is still super good, so I’d like a better one. I already have P!Azura with great IVs and I’ve gotten 3 Hectors already total. I personally find VL!Ike to be overrated a bit, he’s not at all bad and is definitely top tier, but not 1st worthy. I think a lot of people were just lazy and didn’t want to bother spending to get him (but isn’t that the point of the orbs?).
VL!Ike also requires a specific resources rare and expensive fodder to make him truly optimal while W!Tharja basically comes with her most important skills in her base kit and really only needs common, inexpensive fodder to fill in the gaps (unless you plan on going Armor March Emblem).
Vote for who you want, but I’ll recommend either W!Tharja or P!Azura since they’re the seasonal units of the batch, Ike will have at least 3 more legendary banners left for people to try for, and Hector is in the regular pool and will likely show up more in future banners due to his popularity.
I enjoyed this BHB, Infernal took me three tries but I eventually found out how to manipulate the AI right. PoR Ike and Lancina on the right, and Nino and PA!Olivia on the left. What was very surprising, though, was that I free summoned a 5 star Kagero. If I ever get Sothe, he will have lots of fun with that Poison Dagger.
As for the voting, I doubt anyone will change their minds on who they want; it’s either going to be Ike or Tharja. Can’t complain with any choice, though I personally want Ike for an Earth team for AA, so he’s the one I’ll be voting for. I hope the community gets what they want.
Tharja is the one which I think out of the four units is the best unit. Azura is just slightly better than most dancers, but she’s not worth that much. V!Ike is just another DC sword unit. His Warding Breath isn’t even that good on meele infantry units. Hector is just DC fodder. His stats are good, but DC is the only reason anyone would vote for him (what I’m saying is tat they just want free DC fodder). Problem is that people don’t realize that DC isn’t just something that makes any unit good if you slap it on.
Tharja is a excellent enemy phase unit with a excellent base kit. You’d also be getting a valor skill for free. And if you don’t like her that much then at least consider foddering her for Vengeful Fighter
I think PA!Azura carries more utility than any other unit in the game. In addition to TA and a legendary weapon, the stat boosts can make a huge difference on inflated PvE maps and also really help with leveling and grinding. That’s why I think everyone should have one. She can fill a combat role like any other unit, and she really improves quality of life for players by making everything just a little easier.
“She has basically no additional utility once you have one though.”
That’s my thought too. I hope she does not win, because I don’t need a 2nd PA! Azura. I would probably merge her with mine. I prefer to have Distant Counter, Vengeful Fighter or Warding Breath than a Lv40+1 PA! Azura.
So now we can play Ike Risen in addition to Chrom Risen and Garon Risen…sounds good to me!
woah Gawain and Elena, made by the original artist of PoR! (I like when they do that)
I just recently got Hector via pity summon so yeah… I’m torn between voting for V!Ike or PA!Azura. This is tough.
These 4 Units looks like a nice Team all together~
Vote for Azura, my Nino want some Support please!
Eldigan!<3
Both Caeda and Felicia I have 5-stars, and both are +Atk.
The only hero I would like from his banner is Hinoka, but I will not spend my orbs on it. I will keep my orbs for the next main banner, or for the Legendary Banner next week.
There should also be a banner of new heroes starting Thursday, per the event calendar.
I know it, that’s why I am keeping my orbs.
Pulled a 4* L’arachel with my free summon. Should’ve figured she’d be the one to have her rarity reduced, but nevertheless it made my day. Also, only two more days left of this vile tapping…
The free summon gave me a Myrrh, so I’m pleased with that. +atk -def though so eh.
Probably the best modern representation of Lachesis. I liked that One Hundred Song of Heroes version of her, but this is even better.
OR the “Infinity” could be indicative of an international release finally! Um…somehow! LET ME DREAM GUYS!
I’ve got to save orbs, but I don’t have Caeda or Hinoka. I managed to draw a Lucina though.
I feel S14 is finally a sign for FE16 if true at least its SOMETHING!
I forgot to mention this. Zelgius looks so good
Cool theme never expected this that Celica art is very gorgeous looks more improved!
That Celica is not going to be fun, between the buff and Chill Spd. I’m already annoyed by Gunnthra’s skill. I don’t like debuffs you can’t avoid at all…
Hardin and Celica loom really pretty though. Also, the armor additions continue
I wonder what happens if the top speed is shared between two charas? Is there some kind of tiebreaker or will both or neither then be debuffed?
I’d have prefered for those skills to stay super rare. They’re kind of OP… this week I saw a valentine’s Hector with Quick Riposte seal and Bold Fighter B skill. What can you even do against that.
I think, from my experience with Gunnthra, it debuffs both. As usual, I think the skills would be fine if they didn’t keep adding more ridiculous armors. And as you say, the quick riposte seal is part of that.
For Valentine’s Hector you would pretty much have to attack into him and hope he does before his second attack, which is hard to do. Otherwise, units with axebreaker will be necessary for arena assault. I also main Genny so a lot of the time I just dazzling gravity troll him.
Still, it’s a little out of hand.
I see, thanks.
It’s really hard to 1HKO him. Ah, Axebreaker, a rare sight. I suppose… it’s already on my new toy, Raven, but eh.
Speaking of, I’ve never had as many defense wins as I do these past two weeks. Still with VL Ike (-Def!), Fjorm, Inigo and Raven. Guess it’s just not quite what people expect?
Never had a Genny, that would certainly work. My little Nino properly buffed and in Desperation range might work too. But not at full health. For that the standard Wary Fighter is actually worse.
Yeah, the problem is that you really have to treat each build like a different character. For example, I can use Tobin to tank and counter the Wary Fighter one, but that wouldn’t help me against the monstrosity you mentioned. Also, Quick Riposte does bypass Wary Fighter, so maybe that could help.
I definitely don’t have the answers for him. I’m still guessing mostly, and I expect these new three to be similar headaches
True, but for Quick Riposte you would have to bait that monster, and since that means he gets his second attack first, that’s hard to survive for anyone… ah, the Wary Fighter one of course, got it. But I don’t usually run a lot of enemy phase oriented charas.
If you run into my team, I’m sorry, I guess? I usually just have my arena team of the week defend as well, because one defense above 500 points is all I want for feathers. I don’t have a defense team as such. Just right now that means more wins than the 1-2 wins of someone messing up against my usually player phase oriented team.
If you run into that Hector as well, then I’m really sorry ^^;;
Oh, man, I’ve been waiting for Grima!Robin since this game came out, I’ve always absolutely loved the concept of actually being able to use a possessed version of them, but… it’s not female Robin.
As much as I would absolutely love to pull him for dragon + armor business, I find it hard to care all that much because it’s not the Robin I’ve spent Awakening with and poured tons of TLC into. :p
Celica looks pretty neat, though.
FEH Community: Hey IntSys, where’s the Thracia banner?
IntSys:
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I didn’t think Grima was possible since the Avatar’s gender is depatable as well Grima being too big. They somehow managed to do it with that head cut-in
you liked Laevateinn. what do you think of her sister? she’s damn fine
Her sister is fine, but Laevateinn still overall has the better design in my opinion.
i like her sister more, but that’s probably because she has that mature vibe
Grima is obviously going to be slow, meaning that he’ll be tanky as hell, especially with that extra dragon BST boost on top of armor. Hardin will have middling speed, a bit below 30. His def and res will be a bit higher than Eliwood’s. Celica will probably have average speed (around Joshua’s level) as well as above average def.
Dragons don’t inherently get a BST boost. Look at Tiki and Corrin for instance, they both got the original common melee infantry BST. With the dragons, it’s just the loli’s that get a trainee bonus. So I’m assuming Grima’s just gonna have the standard melee armour BST, at like 174-ish.
Well, this isn’t quite what I expected to see when I woke up. All of this, really.
I guess it’s nice that Vengeful/Bold Fighter are being added to the permanent summon pool now.
Can’t really say I expect anyone to get demoted here, though… Maaaaaybe Celica, but eh…
Celica will probably be the one to get demoted, not really bringing much to the table except for Troll Spd.
Good for me! 🙂
Not every single new banner needs a unit to be demoted to 4-stars. In my opinion, IS will keep all 3 units as 5-stars.
If not, Celica is probably the one who will be demoted. There is not chance to have a Bazen skill, Vengeful Fighter or Bold Fighter in 4-stars units.
But we need to pay attention to Chill Spd because, different from Gunnthra’s Chilling Seal, Celica doesn’t need to have HP>50% to use it.
Yet more amors =.=
And armor manakete??? *sigh*
Is it just me or is that Robin art really weird?
The artist, uh, probably could’ve benefited from another draft of the face, to be generous. But in any case, I think that’s where the issue with the art is
I find the whole anatomy to be off. The legs too long, the torso too short and very weirdly defined, the waist way too slender, the shoulders and hips non-existent, the left hand, even with the perspective, big in proportion to the rest and the other hand which is much further away is not significantly smaller, and the neck seems not quite right either, the face is just the weirdest :s /rant
I actually find Robin’s to be the best of the bunch with it having it’s own style to set it apart. Hardin and Celica’s art are very standard, their not bad, but I can point to the designs of other characters not done by Daisuke Izuka or Fujikawa Akira as looking same-y, I can’t do the same for Robin.
Hmm I see what you mean. I think the face is the only thing that really bothers me, but I can see how the rest could. I kind of like it otherwise, for some reason.
The style is cool enough, but the weird proportions I can’t help but see.
That’s called style. It’s really different from the rest, but the exaggerations give it character.
I don’t mind the style, I mind the messed up anatomy, really.
I think they made Grima Robin into an armor that Grima is really gigantic in Fire Emblem Awakening and he had alot of defense and attack power that can deal with the non-Falchion users.
Hardin is the only interesting thing here for me (+VF), so I might go for him. Horace is not a thing and I don’t have a lance general so yeah.
Your fetish for armor is simply barbaric
Berserk Ike and Ashnard, Risen King Chrom, Possessed Delthea, Duma blessed Berkut with Kriemhild and burning hot Witch Rinea when?
I understand everything you’ve said, except Risen King Chrom? Did I miss something in awakening? :S
That was a special version from Cipher! He looks hella cool!
May as well complete Ike emblem lol.
Just make Witch Rinea the graphic when she attacks, no need for two versions of that character.
Since Shade’s niche is magic classes, Emma’s niche is flying classes, Yuzu’s niche is infantry classes, Randal’s niche is mounted classes, and Valjean’s niche is armored classes, what would Neve’s be? (And for that matter, what’s Alice’s?)
Considering that Female Robin has been the Grima through both Cipher and Warriors, it’s interesting that Heroes chose to go with the Male one.
gonna be honest this might be the first banner I don’t really try to get anything for I like the idea but in a way I’m not feeling it rather save my orbs and wait for the next new heroes on….. march 8th I think?
Five Robins, still no sword users. Sounds about right. Least there’s sword Celica.
This ornaments in Laegjarn’s head… It’s like bat ears… I don’t know why, but I like it XD.
Ok, from my 100+ orbs, I got a Merric (+Spd/-Def)… Damn you, Wind Mage. Thankfully, he was not the only unit I got. I also got, in the same summoning session of Merric… a Micaiah (+Atk/-HP)! Yay. And after some quests done… I got Grima Robin!(+Atk/-Def).
Now… about Laegjarn. Her weapon, Níu, is really interesting. Agains a full buffed cavalry unit (+6 in all stats), she also get +6 in all stats! That’s great!
The story is getting great, at least for me. I can see Laegjarn be one unit who will betray the Flame King in the future. Maybe she will join the Order of Heroes to have her little sister from Surtr.
Speaking of “betray”, I hope Evil Takumi have a “I am Betrayal” quote.
I find Laegjarn’s character interesting. I like that she’s honorable and clever.
I feel like she’ll end up coming to Askr’s aid somewhere later in the story.
Laegjarn is very fine *looks at all her art* knew she’d be a good girl especially to her sister her weapon is very good! I want her!
My luck with these last 2 banners has been terrible. 100 orbs in and I don’t have either a Hardin or Robin, but I got a Julia…sarcastic cheers…I’ve gotten more pity breaks in these 2 banners alone than I have every other banner combined.
At least the story is making good steps, and Takumi will at least be a nice GHB that I can actually 5* promote unlike the last 2.
You think your luck’s bad? I’ve gotten four -count ’em, FOUR- pity breakers. Caeda, Ogma, Eirika, and motherflipping Roy all slapped me in the face today.
Now I’m making use of Eirika and Ogma is Brave Sword+ fodder, but Caeda has bad IVs and I just foddered Roy off to Ninian to TA. But I’m at 23 orbs so I have to play the long game, need Celica and Grima.
That sounds like what happened to me with the LA Banner, I pulled Hawkeye, Ninian (Fort Dragon fodder is good), Lyn (decent Ivs) and Delthea (already have a better IV one).
Also, I have a feeling Celica’s going to be the one demoted to 4*, the red pool is over saturated with 5*s while blue and green are lacking. Plus Bold/Vengeful Fighter are the more OP skills, yeah Chill Spd is annoying but I never found Gunthra to really be that OP. Who knows, maybe IntSys will prove me wrong and make none of them 4* just to piss us off.
I don’t see any of them dropping rarity, but who knows?
Gunnthra is only OP when you have a Refined Smoke Dagger user on the team. My Windsweep refined Smoke Dagger Takumi and Gunnthra are a really good together.
Also, if you have a +Res Gunnthra, she can use Res Ploy and Def Ploy Sacred Seal.
Wait, Múspell invaded Askr and Nifl, and Laegjarn treats the citizens of Nifl with respect?! Is this some kind of joke?! Because I’m not laughing, that’s not funny! And seriously, when will the Order of Heroes arrive at Castle Nifl?! There must be a chapter to unlock Gunnthrá!
I didn’t laugh either, but I’m not certain how this could be a joke. The most likely explanation is she understands her father is pretty much certifiably insane – he burned the last three psychiatrists they tried to have look at him to death(sorry, but it was too easy) – and is trying to lessen his harmful impact because she understands that tyrannical overlords are obviously given no quarter when the revolution comes, while compassionate ones have at least a small chance of making it out alive. Considering her obvious love for her little sister, who as far as I can tell is effectively an empty puppet, I’d say she plans on eventually assisting the Ocarina of Heroes to overthrow Surtr in exchange for Askr’s protection being given to Laevatainn. Whether she expects such protection extended to herself as well or if she intends to make some heroic sacrifice to somehow make Laevatainn rebel against Surtr remains to be seen.
Not every person under a despicable leader is as bad as them. Heinz Heydrich was a Nazi (only because he liked Hitler’s ideas at first) as well the younger brother of one of the people responsible for planning and managing the Holocaust. Heinz helped Jews escape by abusing the influence he got from his brother’s position as well as being a editor for a party newspaper. He was left to his own devices because of his position and didn’t attract suspicion.
I think Laegjarn is more of a Camus archetype since she doesn’t seem to be that evil unlike her own father.
But that doesn’t mean she would betray her own father, Laegjarn is still loyal to him. And now, she will have the citizens of Nifl think the Order of Heroes threatened the peace just because they defeated her and Laevatein. That’s not cool.
It’s weird that they’re trying to add character depth to some of these characters, mostly Grima and Hardin, that they didn’t have in their own games. I think they did a pretty good job with Hardin, but less so with Grima, who they seem to want to give Anankos’ motivations. Relatedly, if a little late, but I LOVED post-Demon King Lyon.
free orbs from xenologue. not bad
Too bad. I was really looking forward to Tharja, but the second blessing giver will be nice, I guess.
Yay! A free Warding Breath.
Ike is a good unit, and I am surprised Azura came in 3rd!
I hope they do a banner with the other three at the same time. Would’ve be a totally missed opportunity if they don’t. Also, Ike got about the same number of votes both rounds, but a vast majority of the other votes shifted gears to Tharja. That’s pretty wild actually, the community really rallied behind her. She almost won. Hector somehow managed to get less votes the second time around!
I hope they release them in a banner too, but until half next month… there’s many interesting banners right now…
Maybe once the we have 8 Legendary Heroes, we can get a Voting Gauntlet and have 2 banners with 4 legendary heroes each.
I’m personally perfectly content with the results, being the Tellius fanboy that I am. And the fact I haven’t gotten this Ike yet and he’s bound to be quite useful. Tharja certainly made it close, though… I can tell there’s gonna be some irritation going around, due to the way the devs were pushing people to vote for Ike here.
I got 13 orbs from quests and tempest trial, so… why not! Let’s spend the orbs in this banner, at 3% rate.
Results: A 4-stars Catria, a 4-star Abel (Yes! Swordbreaker 3) and… a +Atk -Res Hardin! Yay!
Now I only need Celica…
Well….somebodies inheriting Warding Breath now
Hopefully next time the devs decide to just let us choose from the 4 winners, I am not a fan of Ike (personally find him to be the blandest FE lord) and I find W!Tharja to be the better unit. He is however a free unit that is still good so I can’t complain too much especially considering how many people rallied behind Tharja despite all the mouth breathers throwing around the usual nonsensical “thot slayer” memes.
Prepare yourself, Ike is coming back!
Oh yay, another sword unit…
After the 200 orbs it took to get Ike from his banner originally, I’m a bit salty. Azura or Hector would have been a lot more appreciated, but oh well. Ike’s my favorite lord, so I can’t be too mad.
Two tacos = 20 damage at the beginning of the enemy’s third turn. Ouch
Joke was on him, I run Renewal on everyone!
Imagine if there were 4 Skadis in a team. That’d be insane.
Well, you can have 3 as of now. That would be a horrifying arena team to fight on the lava map or the map where everyone starts behind the breakable walls…
Maybe in the future I will make Fallen Takumi a 5-stars unit, but I am not planning to use his bow (Skadi) Maybe a Guard Bow.
Whoever wrote his special lines must be a HUGE fan of Overwatch’s Reaper.
Okay, this is the Grand Hero Battle that I can never beat! Enemy reinforcements?! 20 damage on my team for Evil Takumi’s third turn?! 2 Anti-cavalry terrains?! This is beyond BULLCRAP!! I can’t stand watching these players beating Infernal mode with Skill Inheritance! Isn’t there anyone playing this game who beat Infernal mode without Skill Inheritance?!
Brotel made a guide for F2P units. BTW, it’s not bullcrap if developers don’t want players to abuse horse emblem and want to give them a challenge
No, Brotel made an F2P guide on Lunatic, not Infernal, so that doesn’t count! I know the Grand Hero Battles are meant to be difficult, but this Grand Hero Battle with Evil Takumi?! This is ridiculous! It pisses me off when they cleared this Grand Hero Battle easily, with their Skill Inheritance and powerful singers like any Azura! It’s not fair! How can they get any Azura to beat this Grand Hero Battle WHEN I DON’T?!
Apologies for the misinformation. But your complaint about not having Azura is extremely childish and naive. I see more Olivias used than Azuras. Don’t act like you’re entitled to be a victim because the world has wronged you if you don’t get that one unit. Use Olivia with hones, spurs or drives (if you want the full package from her prf then have other units also use stat supporting skills). Olivia is a superior dancer because of her easy availability for merges that benefit your Arena score. Did I mention her having access to Wo Dao? And if that doesn’t work then put your device for playing Heroes down for a few days and chill out doing something you enjoy. And when you come back you’ll get Takumi Infernal guide from Phoenixmaster. Omni H is someone whose example you should follow. He uses a death blow brave bow desperation BA Setsuna for every new GHB infernal mode. Its sort of a meme for him. If you also have 3 Olivia’s then you’re set for life.
Well said, my friend.
Did you get Fallen Takumi from Hard and/or Lunatic?
Yes. But I need those Hero Feathers, and yet I get pissed off just looking at those obnoxious Skill Inheriters and Azura users beating this GHB at ease!
In what way are SI-users obnoxious? SI exists to be used and the people who choose to forgo it are usually challenge seekers. Hero Feathers are abundant so long as you regularly summon Heroes.
No, those SI-users are obnoxious because they keep clearing the Grand Hero Battles very easily just to make me look bad! That’s right, they did that just to piss me off! Isn’t there anyone on YouTube who beat this God forsaken GHB without Skill Inheritance?!
I’m sorry, but that’s a pretty immature opinion and it’s frankly quite rude to plenty of people. Games with gacha systems will always have players that are more disadvantaged than others as a result of both luck and money spent, and the Fire Emblem franchise itself has always valued strategy and tactics as a prominent part of gameplay. Heroes is no different in that regard.
If you don’t possess highly functional units like any of the Azuras, you should instead be looking towards your team to search for others which can plug in the gap. The very nature of gacha games means no players barring the most diligent whales will ever own every character, so part of the fun of conquering challenges for most people are to figure out exactly which team combinations are up for the task. Many generous souls out their even document their tactics in the form of guides for both SI users and non-users, but they too must first persevere through the challenge first using their wits.
There’s also no shame in simply folding your hand for the time being, since there are most definitely cases where people truly lack the resources to finish difficult challenges (as seen with the initial GHBs for Xander and Valter). Another thing gacha games are known for are the frequency of reran events, so another option for you is to prepare yourself for the next appearance of this GHB, whenever it may be.
What absolutely isn’t acceptable though, is rudeness towards players more advantageous than you. Being blessed with more fortune or being more willing to spend money doesn’t make them any less of a fan of the game than you, and their advantageous position is merely a byproduct of the support they give for the game; some people definitely do brag about their whaling spoils, but typically it isn’t ever aimed at demeaning F2P players or “pissing them off”.
Normally I’d be happy to share some insight and ideas for the challenge, but honestly, I’m tired of seeing you throw a fit here every single time something isn’t to your liking. If you have frustrations, you can voice them in a decent and civil manner and try to do something with it, but here, you’re expressing yourself like a whiny child. If you don’t want to use Skill Inheritance, that’s your own choice, but don’t try to enforce your arbitrary standards onto others and then attacking them when they don’t abide by them, when they are simply using the tools that the game provides. Skill Inheritance exists to be used and the game is designed to expect players to use it, especially in the toughest challenges and you need to accept that. If you want to deliberately gimp yourself by neglecting options that are very much open to you for one reason or another, you’re free to do so, but don’t go throwing a fit every time that restriction is hindering you in your attempts to clear the game’s content.
I failed like twice before I realised that slowly pushing my Sheema down the right flank would let her block the movement of the green mage while countering anyone that attacks her. On the left side I kept Tana to tank and lure the armorslayer away from Sheema. My last two slots was Linde with WoM to heal, and Ninian to dance her away from danger after healing.
Finally Eirika’s Sieglinde is getting an upgrade at long last!!! also the new modes seem interesting much better sounding than tap battle.
Soren has the Adept skill in PoR and RD. Maybe he will have something like a brave weapon effect (like Dire Thunder).
Leo’s Brynhildr in Fates can halves the enemy’s magic, so maybe he will have the same effect of Divine Tyrfing (magic attack will deal 50% less damage in the first attack).
For Eirika’s Sieglinde , I don’t know what can be…
Conveniently, I just promoted a Soren of my own a few days ago. I was considering giving him an Owl Tome by promoting and foddering a Boey, but I guess that won’t be necessary now, a fact I’ll gladly accept. And I would absolutely love it if they could loosely replicate Adept in a way. We kinda know from Alm now that a build-in Brave effect works quite nicely with Sweep skills and I would like to be able to make Watersweep useful on him to further differentiate him from my other green mages. Alternatively, I could see an effect that makes him indirectly synergize better with units like Ike, since that’s just thematically appropriate. That said, keeping my expectations low, just to be safe. I’ll await the details patiently.
Agreed on Bryndhildr. Seems like the obvious thing to do for that weapon.
And Sieglinde… Eirika is less of a fighter than Ephraim is to begin with, so I would guess they’re gonna try and emphasize that. But it’s hard to say for sure.
I just did the exact same thing with my Soren. He’s a favorite of mine, so I’ve been trying to figure how to make him useful and had also decided on the Owl tome before this. Mine is +ATK/-RES but I’ve been too impatient to wait for a +SPD one, since I’ve only pulled two Sorens ever.
Also a huge Soren fan and ironically I got a 5 star version when trying to get Nino. Really like him as a character, but never had any reason to use him at all. Fingers crossed for something amazing. He needs it.
There was this one TT where he was the only bonus unit I had so mine has actually racked up some HM.
Ah yeah, mine was Mist, was so beautiful seeing her actually seem powerful for while. Haha.
And more… Soren’s new weapon will probably have a refinement.
Already confirmed. We just don’t know any details.
For Rival Domains, I help my friends with my 5*Nino+9 so they can do their best!
Rival Domains sounds like it could actually be a lot of fun, but I’m much less optimistic in Blessed Gardens. I don’t really like the blessing system, since they’re limited, permanent, and not really that useful, so I’m going to have to agonize over deciding which random blessing to put on which character and hope whatever I choose works out. Plus, they haven’t told us what the mode actually does. If it’s just a bunch of battles, that would add insult to what already seems to be an arbitrary restriction.
The new weapons are kind of exciting, but I’m running such a deficit in Divine Dew that it will be another year until I upgrade them. Soren will probably jump to the top of my list though. Also, I’m not even a huge fan of Roy, but he’s got to be the unit most needing a legendary weapon refinement at this point. I don’t know how they keep passing over him, especially since the Binding Blade is so strong in its own game. Maybe they’re just waiting for the powercreep to be such that giving it distant counter and the +5/+5 defense/resistance won’t be crazy
Lolz, Eirika finally gets the update everyone was clamoring for and Leo finally gets something new too and Roy gets to sit in a corner and cry while freaking SOREN of all people steals his rightful place amongst the refined Heroes.
Roy will have his time. And it’ll be worth it. In the meantime, I love all three of these heroes so no complaints here.
Roy already has two variants who are anything but useless though.
…but those aren’t base Roy. Roy Emblem is nothing without base Roy…shut up, I know Roy Emblem isn’t a thing yet. BUT SOON
The Blessings annoy me because of the banner exclusivity… at least Ike goes a bit towards sorting that.
You can get blessings by summoning Legendary Heroes, from the GHB’s Elite Quests, from Tempest Trials, and now with the Blessed Garden they will give us new quest to earn more blessings.
That’s fine, the issue I have is with the stat and sp bonus associated with pairing a hero in the right season if you have them. I appreciate Fjorm and Ike remedy this for two of the blessings, but the others will have to be pulled making a slightly unlevel playing field.
The SP bonus is independent of season or pairing, only the stat bonus relies on that.
But yes, it’s still not great. At least so far it’s only Gunnthra, once Ike is released.
Excited for all of these, though I do run Leo and Soren with different weapons already. Possibly RIP 40,000 feather or so I guess.
So Rival Domains is either another mini game (like tap battle) or Fire Emblem Heroes has come full circle and become a conventional Fire Emblem game (in this one game mode).
Does anyone want a packet of salt?
Going for Fallen Takumi. I like his stat spread and kit. Skadi isn’t amazing, but it is funny under the right circumstances. Imagine 3 Skadis in your team in VG battle and then some guy with a raventome comes up. At least Vengeance could kill them on top of the 3×10 damage from Skadis.
Thanks Mila for the blessing. I finally got Celica. But nothing is perfect… +HP -ATK. That’s ok.
I am between Celica and Grima for this one…
Well, that’s an… odd… voting gauntlet. At least it’s thematically sound.
I only have Robin and BK (and EV Takumi), but I guess that’s enough. Maybe I’ll finally get a Celica.
Hard to predict who to go for to get lots of feathers.
Odd Voting Gauntlet? Really? For me, it is better than “Short-Haired Ladis vs. Long-Haired Gents” theme.
Never said it was the only odd one ;D
But pitting units against other versions of themselves? Yes, odd, in my book.
Yeah… Robin is the only one who makes sense.
I pulled a Takumi with my free summon which was nice because my first Takumi was +DEF/-ATK. But this is one is +RES/-ATK, so it somehow manages to be less useful. Anyone know anybody that might want close counter?
Besides Possessed Takumi?
That was a really obvious option… that I didn’t think of at all. Still, I’m leaning toward keeping Life and Death on him.
That’s fine, I was mostly joking. Is he any good? I can’t seem to beat the second difficulty with my secondary account(my team is Cordelia, Selena, LA-Roy and Elise) and haven’t trained the 3S one very much.
He’s fine. I assume he’s not going to be anyone’s primary archer, and I think most people probably don’t have to 5* him. Infantry archers aren’t really that valuable right now, especially if they don’t have the Brave Bow. However, I do think running multiple copies could have some fun results. Even with one, I’ve found the AoE damage is more useful than I thought.
It’s a really hard map though. I beat Lunatic after a few tries and didn’t even attempt Infernal after seeing another dazzling staff user. I beat it with Horse, so I don’t even have any advice, except maybe that rushing at least one Takumi as if it were the original Conquest map worked for me, and definitely try to kill the gravity user without baiting him, if possible.
Guess I’m supporting Black Knight. Or if he loses, well, I guess Zelgius would be next. And if he too goes down, but Celica is up, she’ll be my third pick. Otherwise, I dunno.
The match ups are really strange, but I’ll take advantage of the fact that I have one unit in every bracket. Three of them are level 1 so I can easy clear things if I join Fallen Takumi, Robin, or BK.
Also… tomorrow will probably be the day we will have the trailer for the next Legendary Hero Banner. I hope we can get a original character. We do not have a colorless legendary hero… I hope he/she is a flying healer or a flying archer. It would be cool.
I’m going Fell Robin, though none are characters I particularly like with Celica being the only one I hate. That said, the winner of these gauntlets are meaningless as IntSys has yet to make it at all meaningful with the victor literally coming down to whoever gets the right multiplier bonus cycle (with the exceptions of when that cycle gets disrupted). I have no investment in these voting gauntlets outside of the free stuff we get.
Yes….we’re quite knowledgeable with whom you hate considering you feel the need to just throw that in there whenever appropriate.
Should be interesting. The real question is of course who to choose…
It’s Good vs. Evil, but what is Black Knight/Zelgius doing here? He’s neither good nor evil!
Well… Zelgius is a general in Begnion (the good side) and Daein (the evil side), at least in PoR.
Yeah but Radiant Dawn teaches us it’s not that simple
Yeah… I know his full story… but that’s the only conclusion I have for why he is in the Voting Gauntlet.
BK was pretty much this evil knight in Daein. I think they meant red armor Zelgius since Sanaji spoke so highly of Zelgius in RD.
This is a really good banner, and Ephraim looks great! If I get him, cool, if not, maybe next time. Hoping to get at least 2 5 stars in 120 orbs though. I know many people wanted an original character, but at least the twins are even now. And I’m sure IS made these characters months in advance. So it’s likely to late too change them now, despite the CYL results.
IS, where’s Danved?
In all seriousness I’m getting a bit tired with all these alts coming out lately.
Don’cha mean Devdan? HAA! 😛
But yeah, I don’t mind alts. but seeing this many done all at once is annoying. They didn’t even integrate the Love Abound alts with new characters. Why not be self aware and go with Zeke, Tatiana, Camus, and Nina? That would be hilarious.
I can easily see Legendary Ephraim with Aether, healing 80% of the damage dealt.
I am surprised the Water Blessing Quests don’t give us Water Blessings, but we will receive 4 Water Blessings in a near future, so ok.
And now, about the banner: I don’t have Mia, Summer Leo, Dorcas, Jaffar and Summer Gaius. I will probably avoid colorless orbs and focus on blue orbs to get Ephraim as soon as possible. Then, I will go to red orbs.
Or people can choose to go with Moonbow or Luna for a faster version of Aether, and if they stick a Breath skill on Ephraim than Moonbow is ready to trigger on every received hit which is pretty nasty.
Blue and red are also the colors I’m focusing on with this banner. I mainly want Summer Corrin, Mia, and Ephraim; but I would be fine with getting another VL!Ike for Warding Breath fodder.
Breath skills can only be used by melee infantry and armor
Well I’ll be, I never knew that. Still, Solar Brace allows you to make a solid 2 turn variant of Aether with Moonbow.
Depending of Ephraim’s Atk and Def, skills like Draconic Aura, Bonfire and Glimmer can work very well with the Solar Brace.
He will probably have a low-medium speed. Normal Ephraim have 25 spd (29 if he is +spd), so his legendary version will probably have similar speed. The main factor for Ephraim to get follow-up attacks is from his weapon, Flame Siegmund, but then you cannot have access to support bonus or drive skills (unless there are more enemies near each other than allies near him).
He will be a great unit for Grand Hero Battle, that’s for sure. We only need to change his c-skill for a Cavalry buff, or maybe a smoke skill or Tactic skill if you are planning to use him in a mix team.
Ephraim’s prf doesn’t mesh well with Sturdy Stance. Excluding the target means that it’s very likely that at least the third dude within 2 spaces is a magic user. Good for PvE, but not Arena
I don’t even have any water blessed heroes. How have people been deciding who to give the blessings to?
Ayra is a good choice for Water Blessing. I gave a blessing for my Bride Lyn, so she can double easily. My Marth has Wind Blessing, but I am planning to change for a water one, so he stay with her ally support, Bride Lyn. Now I only need a green unit and then I will be ready for the Blessed Garnde with my Water team: Fjorm, Bride Lyn, probably Marth and a green unit.
I don’t really think too hard about it since I never use the legendary heroes. I mainly see the blessings as a source of extra sp. I’ve given out 3 water blessings and still have 2 left.
So far I’ve only applied two of them, but as it stand right now, I give the blessings to the unit who I think complement the appropriate legendary hero. So in this case, Fjorm. With Fjorm being a general tank with an emphasis on Res-tanking, it seems to me that a strong red mage would make among her greatest possible allies, as they help Fjrom by breaking down the green physical walls that Fjorm absolutely cannot handle under any realistic circumstances, where Fjorm tanks a lot of the stuff that might threaten the red mage. I gave my first blessing to Celica, who’s easily one of the strongest offensive red mages in the game and I haven’t regretted that. These two, in my experience, make an awesome core. Celica also appreciates the Speed bonus. I’ve also just given another to Elise, who helps sustaining Fjorm in her role. I’d round it out with a tanky axe, though I only really have Brave Ike for that and I feel he’d rather remain slow as he is, so I’ve been hesitant to give him the blessing. Ideal to me seems an axe unit that combines speed and defense. …So someone like Amelia or Lissa. But I don’t have either of them myself…
This is just my thought process, perhaps that gives you an idea or two.
I just go with whatever team works best with the legendary hero. My Fjorm team includes Black Knight, Arvis, and Ballads Azura. I can usually count on this team to get good results in arena defense.
Fjorm is an excellent magic counter, even for green units. I’d recommend having at least one other dual counter unit get the blessing. Preferably a red to cover Fjorm’s green weakness.
I’ve only got the one earth blessing on Raven, but I’ve been contemplating putting a water one on Nino. Basically like the others have said, units who I would put in a team with Fjorm, or Gunnthra or VL Ike. I don’t have anything for Gunnthra, but Fjorm shouldn’t be too hard to find team mates for. The SP bonus also really helped with Raven.
Speaking of, the Raven tales continue. This week without support from his buddy VL Ike he nonetheless managed to tank this monstrosity, then finished it off in the next round (monster Robin was down to 10HP). Granted, he had received a Fortify Res 3 or he wouldn’t have been able to without Ike and earth season. Still, I didn’t have anything else that would have been able to kill this on that team, so I continue to be really quite pleased with him. The monstrosity is +Atk -Spd btw, I checked. So pretty much ideal.
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I don’t what arena level you play on, but I’m pretty glad I don’t have to see anything like that when I play….I was definitely on my way to building Raven, but now with Soren getting an upgrade, I’ll have to at least see what they give him. I could use another axe, but green tomes are still at a premium.
So I randomly pulled Ephraim for nothing, so between him and the free Fjorm and Vike, I guess I have three of the current four legendary heroes. I still don’t think blessings are worth my time though. I’m going to try to stall to the end of the quest to see if we get any details on the new mode. I don’t want to risk blessing units that can’t actually beat the map. But if that doesn’t work, I’ll probably just take everyone’s advice (which I’m very grateful for) and try to build the best team around each legendary hero that I can
Tier 19 this week and only battling for scores between 698 and 704 without Ike this season, so I was really quite shocked to find myself facing that thing…
I’m always short on greens, but then again, Nino still kills just about anything, so there’s not that much of a need. Now I have Raven and Summer Elise actually makes a decent Nino replacement in a pinch, but I’ll be curious to see what they have in store for Soren as well.
Ah~ I wish.
You can put a different blessing on a character later, but you will lose the first one, and with them being rare, that’s definitely an issue. You could put them on characters that are very versatile.
Like I said I’ll probably do Nino, she can beat almost anything, so I’m not too worried, she’s my MVP anyway.
(Shudders at memory of trying to pull Olivia last year) I wonder if there will come a point when these banners are solid Legendary heroes and the older
seasonal heroes will have their own banner
Ah, yes, our chance to have a Legendary Hero for every color and all the people whining about how Eirika got an Alt when Ephraim didn’t managed to screw us over. What, no, I’m not salty at all, why do you ask?
The way they do things has become so convoluted that I no longer care if someone gets another alt
I am ok with heroes receiving alternative versions from Special Banners, Brave Banners and Legendary Banners, but not from normal banners.
I agree with this basically
If I have a decent understanding of how development for these kinds of games works… I have to imagine that these units were planned for release at these times well in advance. I can only imagine the concern the dev team must’ve felt when they realized that the top CYL picks were among the units they had planned for release in some form, not long after the poll. That seems unfortunate, to say the least, though I suppose you could also call that poor planning and a lack of foresight on the part of the dev team.
Blue orbs only for me then. Ephraim’s always been one of my absolute favorite FE characters, and the only other ones I don’t have are Summer Leo, Shiro, Dorcas and Jaffar. I would really like Shiro and I would also like Dorcas, but I don’t think I’ll have much luck with one out of three greens.
Shiro is a great unit. He has Sturdy Stance 2 in his weapon, and also has Steady Stance 3, for a total of +10 Def on enemy turns.
Maybe I’ll get lucky and get both him and Ephraim then. Though I have to confess I’m not really much of an enemy phase player usually. And both of these units are more EP oriented.
Saving Orbs for Myrrh in one Legendary Banner later this year~
Also, Ephraim takes Fjorm´s place because she´s protecting Nifl right now. Or only one E-Hero / Color?
Burger King for people’s champ. He demands no orbs, luck, or battle to join. Only a token show of dedication.
dunno If I want to do this one wouldn’t mind Ephraim but I have summer corrin and shiro and don’t mind another summer corrin but definitely don’t need another shiro might wait till next month and hope the blues are better
So I decided to go ahead and spend around 100 orbs to see what’d I’d get since I was sitting at 347 orbs. Free summon is summer Gaius +atk -HP. Around 70 orbs later I get Ephraim with -HP +SPD, which is kinda good since with hone cavalry I can prevent foes from doubling with his 36 SPD. And in the same session a blast from my dark past: performance Olivia at neutral. Ah man, I remember being spent after failing to get her which resulted in me being unable summon much from the genealogy banner. In total 88 orbs were spent.
Wow. Pretty lucky! I spent 100 and only got Ephraim +Def -Spd.
I want to try for Mia (because she is great) and Summer Leo (only for the catalog), but I don’t have orbs and I am thinking to keep the orbs from March quests for the next main banner…
Wish you luck in your future endeavors
Thanks for wishing me luck. I used the 20 free orbs, plus some orbs I got from March’s Quest and I tried to get something from the Legendary Banner.
Surprising, I got Legendary Ike and Brave Ike in the same summoning session! Yay! Now I have 2 Warding Breaths to use. The Legendary Ike I got now is +Atk -Def, but I prefer to use my old one, who is +Def -HP.
Also, the Brave Ike was used to give my Marth Steady Breath and Aether. Hail to the Hero-King!
I really want that Olivia… but the heartbreak would be too much to bear a second time!
Oh my gosh I felt the same. I tried so hard the last time and was super excited/scared to try again.. but I got her! Quite happy about it
I got finally Mia! Now trying to pull SummerCorrin for FlierEmblem~
Good Luck everyone! May Ashunera bless your Orbs!
Oof, 95 orbs and I ended it with a Summer Gaius, the one I wanted least. Ah well, I got some good fodder on the way.
I find it weird that Ephraim comes with Sturdy Stance, an enemy phase skill, when his weapon really makes him a player phase unit. After all, if he’s trying to get the follow- up attack, he’ll be working with unboosted mediocre speed, so baiting will get him doubled before he doubles, leading to unnecessary damage. In other words, I’m having trouble figuring out what to do with Ephraim, and I don’t have the luxury, or frankly the need, to just mess around with his skills
I actually think Flame Siegmund sounds like it should work well with Sturdy Stance (it does guarantee follow-ups in both phases). He needs to be surrounded by enemies for the guaranteed follow-ups, so he is going to have to deal with being attacked. This way he gets bonus defense and HP recovery through Solar Brace. (Not sure how Fortify Def fits in though).
Well he doesn’t need to be surrounded by enemies. He will follow up in all cases where there isn’t an ally nearby, since the weapon activates with an equal number of enemies and allies, Ephraim included. This makes him seem like more of a duelist. My concern was that he will take an additional hit on enemy phase, because an enemy that initiates will follow up before he does, which will hurt his survivability. I suppose we could be expected to use the additional recovery to mitigate this damage, but I’m not sure how viable that is yet. Recovery skills aren’t that useful in my experience because they often trigger when an enemy only has a little HP left.
I gave my Ephraim Heavy Blade Sacred Seal and Aether. Ephraim has a really good Atk, plus the +4 atk he can receive from Sturdy Stance, so Heavy Blade will works very well, and Aether + Solar Brace will heal him 80% of damage dealt, which can be 25-30 HP.
Aether does sound like a great option for him, but I’m already using that Aether/Heavy Blade combo with my Minerva, and I’m not really looking to give that up, since I love Minerva. And I’m not sure if Aether is terribly viable without Heavy Blade or something like it. I’ve heard people considering running Moonbow for more frequent mini-Aethers, but I don’t know if that’s viable either
I would prefer using Glimmer than Moonbow. If the player only want a healing special, Noontime is a faster special, healing 60% of HP if Solar Brace is equipped.
Nobody used Glimmer for a while, but it seems to be growing more popular than Moonbow now. I don’t know the calculations behind why that it is, especially if we include Luna or Bonfire/Iceberg as well
Glimmer was a 3 CD before the 2.0 version, and now it is 2 CD. That’s why Glimmer became popular. For Ephraim, Luna is better than Moonbow, and because his base defence is 33 +4 from the Sturdy Stance, Bonfire can be a solution too. Draconic Aura is not a bad idea either.
You know, embarrassingly, I didn’t even realize Glimmer had its charge time reduced, but that makes sense. In that case, Glimmer does seem better.
When we think about the special that had the cooldown reduced, we think about the Rising, Growing and Blazing skills. No one remember skills like Astra, Sol or Glimmer. I entered in the specials list here, and I am surprised! Sol was a 4 CD special before the 2.0 version update. These are skills we never used, so it’s normal they had the CD reduced and we didn’t notice it.
Here’s the changes:
Night Sky (4 → 3), Glimmer (3 → 2), Astra (5 → 4);
Daylight (4 → 3), Noontime (3 → 2) Sol (4 → 3);
Rising, Growing and Blazing Skills (5 → 4).
Is the understanding that the AoE skills are not that good? I have Noontime to Marisa (with mixed results), but beyond that, you’re right. I don’t know how the healing skills play at all. I’m still skeptical of them.
I think IS should enable the staff users to have access to healing special skills (except Aether). This would be a way for staff users to heal themselves instead of the need to have Live to Serve or Renewal for it.
“Everyone has an 8% chance to get a 5S Unit, so this is a great time to bulk up your team!”
So of course everyone spends like 100 Orbs to get a single 5S Unit that half the time they didn’t want or they just throw away because this is apparently Pokemon now and only perfect genetics will be acceptable. How is this really any different from usual Banners besides yay we can get Ephraim on a horse?
That’s what happens in the end, but ideally what should be happening is that someone pulls either a seasonal unit, a legendary hero, or one of the units they care for that they finally have a higher chance of pulling. I for one would like to pull a Mia who under normal circumstances is some fraction of a % pull rate; but in this banner exists close to 3%.
But yeah, knowing my current luck with these these last few banners, I’m going to dump 100+ orbs and get nothing.
I give my Ephraim Aether, Hone Cavalry and Heavy Blade SS.
I would love to have a Elise for my Horse Emblem Team, because it needs a cavalry healer.
The free blessing with Ike was nice, but I still am finding myself wishing we’d voted Tharja instead.
Ike is more recent (thus less have him), more popular, and has greater flexibility as a non-armoured unit, so it makes sense that he’d win. Tharja may be the better unit, but she simply didn’t have the appeal that Ike did – a shame, because an extra Tharja would’ve been quite pleasant.
She came close, though.
I got Performing Arts Olivia, but as usual, this game trolled me and it didn’t let me summon Legendary Ephraim! Not even one single green Orb, and still no Gunnthra! Well, you know what? I’m gonna wait until tomorrow for the March Quests so I can earn more Orbs, and then I get to summon better Heroes! Also, I already merged my Legendary Ike with the free Legendary Ike.
My first round of summoning gave me Summer Corrin and Jaffar, finally giving me a ranged flier and LaD fodder. I suppose I’ll try and aim for Ephraim now, even if he can’t fit onto my Horse Emblem teams.
So in about 130 orbs, I’ve got Ephraim, Gaius, Jaffar, and two Dorcas. I was pulling for none of them (wanted Olivia and Bike). These banners are a blast!
Sorry to hear, I got my Ephraim (neutral, lol, I’ll take it) with just 5 orbs spent and am considering just walking away.
Yesterday free summon was 3* Gwendolyn which I took as a bad omen and let it be, today first summon was Ephraim and I think that’s all. I would like Shiro or Dorcas but my chances aren’t great so I’ll take my luck and keep hoarding my free orbs. Haven’t had this many in quite some time. Maybe I’ll try for (normal) Celica again, been trying for a long long time. Better luck to you? Though your haul seems not bad at all.
I always have really good luck with the Legendary banners. I don’t usually get what I want, but I usually get a lot of stuff. Like Dorcas is apparently quite good, and I can probably fodder one of them for useful skills. I wanted Jaffar for the collection anyway. Plus, if the Soren update isn’t worthwhile, Jaffar’s savage pain build would probably be a lot of fun (after Raven probably). Only the Gaius is really useless. So I really can’t complain. I just can’t help being a little disappointed.
I kind of feel like what I should’ve done was go all-in for Grima, Hardin, Lyn, and Hector and see how much of an armor team I could pull. But I really don’t like armors. Oh well, there are new units next week, and I still have almost 250 orbs.
I think you really have to be okay with two of the three for each color, and even then, like in my case, you can still be a little disappointed. Plus, with the powercreep, saved orbs increase in value over time, since you’re pulling more useful units for the same cost
Thank for the 20 Orbs, I got a Vanguard Ike and a Brave Ike in the same summoning session. Yay!
Now my Marth has Steady Breath and Aether.
That’s pretty convenient timing considering we just got a tiny handful of banners around the same time.
Hurray, now I try again for a Summer Corrin…why am I getting so many Reinhardt’s?
went for Ephraim and wouldn’t mind leo, Olivia, or Giaus as I had missed them got to 15% before I got a Corrin >.>
I would trade my Gaius for that Corrin lol.
Man, my luck has been bogus lately. Reached 5.75% on the hny banner in Januari, now I’m at 5% on Love Abounds, and so far, I also haven’t had any results on the Legends banner… After Legends and Love Abounds run out, I think I’m gonna do some orb saving… I’m too impatient and spend-happy with them.
20 free orbs, always nice. Still no dice (hah) for me, however.
I was able to get Ephraim thanks to this.
With Mila’s divine protection, we will be victorious! Go Team Celica!
Who’s ready for some salt resulting from a still flawed system that does not actually favor the popular party but in many ways hurts them? AYE!! At least we get free stuff from the related quests.
Seeing things from the opposite point of view, a fixed points system would mean underdogs have a much lesser chance of victory, removing a potential source of enjoyment as the VGs are rather lackluster in general.
Before the system is fixed, there needs to be more incentive provided for voting aside from simple character appeal. I’m thinking either minor gameplay buffs or free copies (3-4 stars, helpful for 5 star-only units) of winners.
That is an excellent point, those early Voting Gauntlets in which Lucina and Camilla steamrolled the competition was not very enjoying, but the effort to make it more enjoyable by giving the underdog a constant point bonus simply results in a boring round of who’ll have the final bonus multiplier, which I argue is equally as boring.
So now IS needs to think of an incentive to push for balance, and I would love to see 3/4* versions given out; though it would have to be in a round dealing with only characters of worth while skills or utility since nobody is going to back, say, vanilla Robin who already is 3* obtainable when Fell Robin is likely to be 5* exclusive.
Piggy-backing off that idea, it would be fun to see them do a future Voting Gauntlet where the contestants are all popular 3/4* fodder units with the winner being given some special skill/weapon that makes them super meta relevant. Just imagine the potential of someone like Odin gaining some broken skill that suddenly makes him top tier.
Yeah that’s a cool concept. As far as I can remember all past winners except Shanna has gotten a special variation, although those characters were popular and were probably going to be given variations regardless. I don’t know much about the character, but Shanna: The Underdog sounds cool.
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Team Fallen Takumi. 2110485086 if anyone wants to cheese it with refined Alm
Request sent. Enjoy Inherited out Roy(don’t judge).
All hail the fell dragon, Grima!
That’s team Robin for me for now then I guess. For me VG only comes down to one thing nowadays: Feathers!
LET THE SALT BEGIN!!!
…No clue who to join this time around, anyone wanna convince me to pick their team?
Fallen Takumi. Memes being the reasons
Main Account allegiance going once, going twice…SOLD! To Fallen Takumi for the memes!
Guess the Alt is going Grima then since they always fight on opposite sides of the bracket.
How about this IS? Have the top 4 of each VG be featured in the next special banner. Winner gets a prf. 2nd place gets a unique mobility class and weapon type combination. But only allow those to participate who don’t have a seasonal variant
i will forever remember the fight between Chrom and Ephraim as the pinnacle of the Voting Gauntlets.
I’ll wait and see what the next new heroes banner has to offer. If it doesn’t interest me, I’ll try for Jeorge, Soleil, Hinata, Klein and Tailtiu
Got Sheena 5* for my free Summon~
Now time to merge these Pitybreakers (+3 already)
Weird, I got a five star Lukas and my friend got a Tharja! So odd. Also, you could use her as slaying axe fodder?
I like her, because she tanks Ike so I have almost no problem with her.
Stahl…yeaaa…oh well, hopefully I get good luck with the next new banner considering my poor luck recently. Also, isn’t that Falchion banner coming up soon? Wonder if they make it a normal banner where people are screwed by a lack of reds or perhaps make it a red exclusive banner to help encourage people to go for it. Don’t see people trying to go for a specific focus if all are the same color and that color refuses to show up.
I really like this banner. You can never have too many of Roy, Hinata, Klein, or Tailtiu (Drive Spd goes with everything), and I don’t have a Soleil yet at all. So I’ll probably end up pulling a ton of reds if next week’s new heroes don’t excite me
This is a good banner. I will wait for the next main banner, then I will decide if I will summon on the new banner, this banner or the Fachions Banner.
Threw about 30 orbs into the banner, got a bunch of 4 stars like Tailtiu (my goal), several 4 star Jeorges, a five star Lukas, and a five star Cordelia. Compared to my luck on the legendary banner, this was nice!
You got lucky! Lukas and Cordelia are not focus units and you got both!
Right? The movement skills and legendary banner in total gave me one five star for over 160 orbs, so I suppose this was my redemption!
Nope, not spending any Orbs in this useless Banner!
Ended up getting yet another 5 star Fae, so I’m contemplating whether I should add her back onto my dragon team after having previously replaced her with Myrrh.
Fae loves to spook me even when she isn’t focused, so it shouldn’t really have surprised me so much that she’d turn out to be my free summon.
Am I the only one thinking that the winner of this gauntlet should end up being Takumi? He’s the only not evil version left standing.
Technically, Black Knight was the evil one and Zelgius was the good one. But they’re both “evil” so…
Takumi and Celica have better odds of winning based solely off their popularity; Grima and Zelgius is probably no match for either of them. The winner of the gauntlet ultimately just comes down to who gets the strongest push with the point multiplier.
It’s not who gets the strongest push but who gets the final push as was with Shanna when she janked out both Hinoka and Amelia; Lissa when she janked Tharja and Camilla who janked Lyn. Popularity obviously plays a role, but it’s not nearly as important as people like to believe.
I don’t think so… Grima has got quite the following… But yeah, multiplier (which 90+% of the people who play FE Heroes agree needs to change) is the ultimate decider
K just checked last rounds scores, and the final two (if multiplier doesn’t jank) will be Celica (highest score in round 1) vs Grima (roughly double takomeats score)
I member when Arvis had a lot of memes going on
Maybe we can start up a barbecue and reminisce about them?
I wonder how long it’ll be until Book 2 characters from Heroes will start appearing, since they did the Book 1 characters.
Say’ri looks amazing.
This is an awful banner, with only red focus units and it still does not have an increased rate of red orbs. I don’t know how many people will actually go for this banner despite Alm’s new status as the new best dragon slayer. Plus half of them are 4* available anyways so why even both?
IS should made this banner a 5% rate. Oh well, I prefer to not use my orbs on this banner too. I am sure Alm will appear in a future Legendary Banner.
Aaand my weird luck continues with a free five star Roy? Neutral, too. I don’t particularly mind this result, back on Alm’s last two banners I was a dolphin and got myself a +1 version because I lacked a Falchion user in April. Double Lion is good people, but it really isn’t worth whaling for. You likely have masked Lucina, and she should fill that role just fine. That being said, if you want to pull, go on ahead, and good luck.
It´s like a fun Troll-Banner, not a Evil Troll-Banner like the first Ayra one with Eldigan.
This banner is definitely poorly-thought out. At least I “scored” a 5* Cain on my free draw…
You know what they SHOULD have done with this? Make it so that you can CHOOSE which character you want to have for that Falchion like they did in the CYL one.
Hm… I disagree. This is not a special banner to have a free unit. Also, 2 of the focus units can be summon as 4-star units, making the only choices for 5-star exclusive being Lucina and Alm. And, you know mostly all the players would choose Alm.
A limited banner, like Nohrian Summer and Winter Envoy, should have a free choice unit, not this type of banner.
No way. This is a single banner showing only sword units. ONLY Sword units. Meaning that its red orbs. And they don’t always give us red orbs. So this banner is terrible because it does not give the distribution that prevents anyone from getting a unit they might want.
I agree with you. This banner was not made right, but that’s doesn’t mean they should give us a free unit. Mostly of the player just want Alm from this banner. With a free unit, players would not summon or spend money on this banner.
Honestly… this was not that bad. I decide to spend some orbs on this banner, and I got a 4-star Soleil (I didn’t have her yet, and she is +Atk so… yeah), a 5-star Eirika (ok…) and, for my surprise, a Alm! Yay! Brave Falchion user! Now I only need Divine Dew…
The odds of pulling a 5* focus unit is around 10%. Not really a good banner to snipe for. Probably just to get a dragon killer
Spooked by Brave Lucina and regular Lucina in my first round of summoning, so I managed to pull a great haul on this banner. Now if only this kind of absurd luck can hit me on the banners that actually matter like the limited ones, I’ll be happy.
After Lucina was my pitybreaker on my once again failed attempt to get Celica I now have all four of these anyway. My free orb was a round of no red orbs at all and gave me a Wrys… oh well.
Personally I like using Marth best of these, but maybe I’ll refine Alm’s Falchion some day and he’ll be better. Chrom was my first 5* so will always be special.
I like Marth too. His refinement is really good. My objective is to make a +10 Marth. I am in +5 now.
4* or 5*?
I have a 5-stars + 5 Marth.
That’s true dedication.
Hail to the Hero-King!
I always get happy when I get a 4-stars Marth.
He has: Refined Falchion, Reposition, Aether, Steady Breath, Swordbreaker 3, Drive Spd 3, Close Def Sacred Seal, and S-Rank support with Summoner.
Marth’s stats are (with summoner support): HP 54 HP / Atk 51 / Spd 38 / Def 33 / Res 24.
I know he is not the best sword user in the game, but I like him.
My highest 5* merge is +4, it’s Inigo, I really wanted a PA Azura back then but really wasn’t meant to have her… anything else is +2 (2) at most or +1 (7).
But my 4*+10 Raven with the refined Basilikos actually carried me to Tier 20 this week. I’m not sure what I’m even doing there, it feels weird XD
He doesn’t have summoner support, but ally support with VL Ike, his stats without that are 42/60/48/25/22, with Fury. He’s got the earth blessing too, so in earth season and next to Ike that would be 45/64/50/27/24.
My Marth is mostly support for TT 🙂 he’s +Spd. Also with Fury, Reciprocal Aid, Renewal and Hone Spd. I’m still saving up to refine his Falchion. Yours is obviously heavily invested in 😀 he’s nice.
My summoner support is Nino^^ but she’s unmerged.
I was considering to give my Marth Reciprocal Aid or Ardent Sacrifice.
My second higher merge unit is a 4-Stars Olivia (+7). I also have 8 Catrias 4-stars, but I don’t want to merge them. The other unit I am considering for the merging is Masker Marth. I already gave her (oops, spoiler) the “our bond gives me strength” Falchion.
I got Alm in this banner (lucky), so maybe he will be next in the Refinement, But I need more 10 Divine Dews for it.
In TT I don’t really need help killing green (Nino kills all) so support is nice and Falchion + Renewal + Reciprocal Aid = healer. I’ve used Alm similarly in the past when he was a bonus unit.
I have Eliwood, Raven, Cherche, Cecilia and Merric as 4*+10 and a few more high merges with 4*, like Ogma, male Corrin, Eirika, Felicia, Lilina and Lissa (+7 to +9, depending).
Oh no, poor Nino. I find she’s still my go to answer to “how do I kill x” since she’s still capable of defeating almost anything with the standard Bladetome, Fury, Desperation set. Mine’s +ATk, got her summoner support and if necessary S support with Ninian, properly buffed and in desperation range, maybe even with Draconic Aura charged, there’s really not much of anything that can survive her, even as an unmerged 5*.
My LA Lilina has somewhat hopeless IVs of +HP -Spd so I guess she’ll be just for the collection… don’t see her replacing Cecilia and even then Gunnthra would be the choice before that.
Chrom was my 2nd 5* He also holds a special place in my heart…
I am a sentimental player… So I will always hold on to the old ones… even if bad
Same here, mine has terrible IVs, but I still won’t change him.
First I can’t get Celica, and now I can’t get Alm! To hell with this bullcrap, I refused to be trolled with another pity breaker again!
you really should’t pull on this banner since your pity can get broken by red (it’s pretty infamous for that) as well as other falchion users. just wait a few months until alm gets a new banner
Oh, you mean like the next Legendary Hero Banner? Yeah, that’ll be the day.
FINALLY!!! (^o^)/
MY BOY FINN AT LAST!
And plenty of time to save for him!
Leif’s looking a little wider in the face than I remember…!
That’s because he no longer starves… for attention. Light Brand or Blaggi Sword?
Nanna looks niiiiiiice! 🙂
Sadly, if she’s a healer, I probably won’t draw for her unless she really has something unique. Healers are kind of a pain to level up in Heroes, and Elise and Genny already fulfill most of whatever I need.
They’re a great way to accumulate hero merit though, at least if you use one for training units to level 40 (my standard is two dancers, a healer and whichever unit I’m training). I have almost all of the healers and they’re all trained and with useful healer skills 😉 but I agree that I probably wouldn’t try to get a 5* healer.
But as 5* Unit, you can refine her Staff with the Razzle Dazzle effect for more Profit~
Shards and crystals go a long way to levelling up healers if you can’t stand how slow that process is. Then it’s just a matter equipping them for offense first so they can start building up SP from kills, too. Honestly, I think a new staff-wielder is loooooong overdue, especially now that they are actually good aside from their poor arena value. I’m running an Elise right now, and Razzle Dazzle Gravity+ (with Savage Blow) is hilariously broken if you have the space to provide proper movement support. Nanna may be the first staff-user in a long time, so that should be promising if it turns out like that. I think she’s bound to be a good unit.
Nanna looks like Kokon Konfuzi drew her (the artist for several Cipher cards, as well as amazing Faye and L’Arachel in Heroes). I must have her! I must have all of them, actually. All of them.
My favourite lord and two of my favourite character from Thracia
Leif looks like the knightiest out of all the lords with that armor
Almost every “Lord” is in the Game, now we wait for TMS# and Warriors Charas~
not happening. co-developers would have to get a share of profits and the only product is orbs, meaning that they would get a share from all the money spent on orbs, but it’ll be convoluted in how the partnership works in the long-run, much less setting a share percent. though if they go the BK deal way then it could happen
They could negotiate in a different way than a percentage of profits, but I agree they aren’t coming. The Choose Your Legends survey not offering them is enough to convince me they’ve written off characters from spinoffs.
…which is frankly obnoxious because I want Shade.
I see! I didn´t know there was a deeper meaning in crossovers with developers! I was just thinking: they appeared in Cipher 0 but not yet in Heroes. Thank you for telling me~
Pretty much this. A common argument I see for these characters is that they appear in Cipher. But Cipher has different products such as booster packs and structure decks. And these are just categories. The variety in each goes way further
It’s a shame too, because a potential TMS appearance in Heroes might’ve salvaged the game’s reputation somewhat and perhaps even revive it. That game really did not deserve all the vitriol it got and it’s disappointing that most only know it through the censorship fiasco.
Still, there’s always the chance of a collaboration event in the future, like what many other gacha games do. TMS and Warriors are unlikely, but I wouldn’t necessarily write them off as completely impossible.
It’s about time Thracia came…though seeing as I’m not a fan of the game (I personally put it as one of the weaker entries), I don’t really care much for this banner outside of perhaps some meta defining skills. The art for Leif and Nanna look great though fin is fine.
I’d love to hear your reasoning around how it is one of the weakest entries when Awakening, Birthright, Revelation, SS, SD and Gaiden/Echoes all exist.
Awakening: Eh, I can understand that.
Birthright/Rev: Why not play Conquest, right?
The others: HUH? Even SD has its charms in different map designs. Echoes is hit or miss for mos players, but the characters were great and the world-building was excellent. SS is mostly easy, but Lyon is an awesome villain, it has several other memorable characters (Gerik? Marisa? Tana?) and I would even say some of Ephraim’s maps were somewhat challenging on a no-grind (unless you Seth/Duessel abuse).
Gameplay wise it is a mess, with an over abundance of luck with the biggest offender being staves missing and several chapters (like Ch11). The capture mechanic is neat but the execution is poor with all stats getting halved, compounded by how rather than being a nice bonus to reward player risk and planning, it is a necessity because you have no funds and weapon durability is really low. In essence, it punishing the player for not using this tedious mechanic that artificially gives the illusion of difficulty. FoW chapters are also BS with the map being pitch black because you know what I like when playing a map? not having a clue what is even going on or how I should progress though the map; again, an annoying mechanic to artificially make it difficult.
Never played Thracia, only heard stories of the game’s… unorthodox design choices and brutal difficulty. But I’m happy for the fans of it. It’s the last main-line game to see its main characters represented. The art looks pretty nice from what little can be seen here, and I’ll definitely be happy if Nanna turns out to be a staff-unit. I’m guessing Leif and Finn will be a Sword-infantry and Lance-cavalier unit respectively.
Nanna is the unit I am looking forward. The last staff user we had was Genny (Lyn doesn’t count because she is a limited unit and Loki isn’t a playable unit), so I want to see what the can bring to the game now. I have a Wrathful Staff ready, so if Nanna has good stats, the Genny’s B-skill will go for her.
Leif will probably have good stats and a full skill set, and about Finn… I don’t know what to expect from him.
The KO Lvl 35+ with Serra was not that hard. My Drive Res PA!Azura, my Drive Def/Res Bride Lyn and my Refined Marth wit Drive Spd helped her.
We are getting 3 units from the Thracia 776 banner. That’s means we will get a 4th unit from a Grand Hero Battle or as a Tempest Trial reward?
Asbel/Asvel or Ced/Sety please?
I think Ishtar is the most likely candidate for GHB, since those are filled in by villain characters or by characters that at least acted as a villain in some part (Oliver, Xander). Sety and Asvel both are more likely to be a TT unit with Sety being the more likely choice, but I think someone like Mareeta (yet another sword) is a likely candidate or even Galvus (who’d also fit into the GHB format). Personally I’d prefer Tina as a dancer.
I assume for the dancer you meant Lara right? Be really interesting if they gave her trash stats but the ability to refresh all surrounding allies with an uninheritable skill (like most FE 4/5/9/10 dancers). I almost feel that Sety is too popular to not be on a banner (the man and his tome produce cash imo), which I suppose is fine in the end, more possible copies for me eventually. Mareeta though? It’s possible, she would be a lot like Ayra but with a broken Brave Sword like Alm and Elincia. Putting too many of those in the common summon pool would be an issue, so a limited TT reward would be nice. A Galzus GHB would be a nice touch, save Ishtar for another FE4 banner.
Thank goodness I already had a 5 star Serra, because babying her 3 star version would’ve been pretty tedious.
Seeing modern Finn and Leif slightly bothers me since I’m not used to them without their big tuffs of hair, which is strange since that never bothered me with Sigurd.
I don’t like Finn or Leif’s artwork
Why though
Am I the only person that thinks its weird that Nanna looks really similar to Priscilla?
They both have the wings in the hair, but otherwise the hair color is totally wrong. Priscilla may have been inspired by Nanna, though~
Wow, I just started my Thracia playthorugh, what were the chances?
There is a god.
Yep. I’m gonna get poor.
Also good for them to finally make a flying tome user part of the regular summoning pool. Took long enough
I know Morgan is fairly popular but we’re getting Gerome and still don’t have Owain?
…ugh.
Owain is probably just lower on the priority list since Odin is already in the game, which is likely true for Severa as well. Gerome was fairly popular in his own right back in Awakening so it makes sense he’d be debuting next after the four most popular Awakening kids.
If I had to guess, Owain and Severa will probably debut with new versions of their respective mothers like Inigo did.
It’d be nice if they had a banner with standard versions of Inigo, Owain and Severa as well. They could have the fourth character be any of the other remaining children.
I feel very conflicted on Female Morgan.
On the Con side, she’s one of my least favorite units in Awakening, mostly because of her personality. On the Pro side, she looks like an interesting unit with a new color tome, plus some pretty adorable artwork not gonna lie.
Awww that’s too bad. She’s one of my favorite units in Awakening. I love the little space cadet. I’m actually less fond of the cutesy art and base kit. I might even wait to see if her rarity is dropped since I doubt she’ll find a spot in my lineup.
I agree on the cutesy art… if only she was green… Red tomes are rarely an issue. And she seems meant to bait mages from what her kit reads like.
Yeah and now with the data mine, she doesn’t look all that impressive to be honest. I actually think her rarity might drop, and if so, I’ll hope to pick her up then.
Besides, I went on a spending spree trying to get a Soleil and got carried away. I pulled a 5* Mia, Mathilda, Corrin, and Caeda in 140 orbs, but only one Soleil (-SPD). It was really odd, and disappointing. But I should probably hold on to my remaining orbs for now.
Hm… my votes are for Male Morgan to be the unit who will be dropped to the 4 Star rank. Female Robin has a serpent tome, which is not a exclusive tome… but she is a 5 skills unit, so I believe she will mantain her 5-stars exclusivite. Male Morgan has a Legendary Tome and Dull Ranged 3, but his B-skill will probably be the one exclusive to 5-stars. Also, Chrom is now the only Falchion user who weapon can’t be refined and weapon doesn’t have Renewal.
I’m not convinced either will be, but I think the case is stronger for Morgan-F. She just doesn’t look like a very potent unit. Her spread isn’t great and her skills aren’t too rare or even too useful. And they’ll probably want to make the serpent tome more accessible, like they did with Mae and Boey. Morgan-M has a strong legendary tome and a skill that will be in high demand. Plus, he has a very competitive spread. Of course, Morgan-F could be more popular. We’ll see, I guess.
I don’t know. The Serpent tome is really good. Maybe they will keep as a 5-stars, at least for now. It is the same thing about Rhajat. Rhajat isn’t a awesome unit, but she is a 5-stars exclusive.
True. Rhajat could probably have her rarity reduced and no one would care too much. I guess they just don’t want distant defense to be more accessible. That or they overestimated how good she’d when we were in the cavalry meta. The serpent tome doesn’t seem that good to me. Why would one use it instead of a Raven tome, which provides more defense on both phases and will check all the colorless types and one type of magic?
“I guess they just don’t want distant defense to be more accessible.”
That’s true. Blárserpent has Distant Def 3, even in it’ not + form, and for now Distant Def is exclusive for 5-stars units. Although, Distant Def is a Sacred Seal too.
A unit with Blárserpent can have Distant Def 9 (Tome + A-skill + Sacred Seal), which is + 18 Def/Res during battle. It would be a great tome for LA! Lyn.
That is really interesting. I wouldn’t have thought about that build idea. LA!Lyn would be a great choice, though she probably wouldn’t hit too hard without other help. She’s probably the only blue mage right now that would really get a lot out of that though
Yes, If I have a extra Blárserpent, I would give to her but I would prefer keep the Atk/Spd Bond, which is a amazing skill.
Sorry to hear that, I got a nice Soleil as a pity breaker at some point, so not looking for her. I don’t know what to do with all the red swords anyway.
But I randomly got a neutral 5* Roy from that banner and I really don’t know what to do with him @.@
oh btw, Raven tales still going on, for some reason I made it to Tier 20 this week, which… I really don’t know how it happened but he does get a high score, I’ll be back where I belong in Tier 19 next week. (and I can report that Galeforce is so good on him)
Yeah I don’t need her, especially since I pulled that Mia, but she should’ve been easy to pull, and it doesn’t feel good to pull 4 5* units but all with terrible IVs or lower rarity availability. I don’t know if you need it, but Roy will probably work as a Hector/Grima counter with his native TA off the bench in arena assault. I’m probably going to do that with Soleil: throw Axebreaker and maybe TA on her in case I need her.
I actually dropped to from Tier 19 to Tier 17 over the past couple weeks, and I have no idea why. But with all the Dew from Blessed Gardens, I can finally build a Raven of my own, which I will do tomorrow once the SP bonus is back. I probably won’t use Galeforce because I don’t want to have to promote another unit or use the Heavy Blade seal, but Fury/Desperation seems the way to go. He probably doesn’t even need a special really, with that damage
Yeah, that’s not nice.
He would, but usually Nino or Raven can kill them, or some of the reds I use, plus I hate arena assault… only do it once a week for the rewards.
It’s just I don’t want to sacrifice a 5* Roy for TA 3 when I can get it off him at 4*…
My Soleil is +Spd -Def so I’ll have her keep the Firesweep Sword+, put LnD on her and probably Drag Back. LnD 2 because I don’t really need a red so I don’t feel like spending 20,000 feathers.
Maybe because the Intermediate and Beginner battles now have higher scores? But some weeks are just much more competitive than others. What sort of scores do you usually battle for? I’m still not sure how I even got here, it is weird.
Have fun with a Raven of your own^^ If you’re not going Galeforce then Vantage may also work well. For a special, if you use the Heavy Blade 3 seal after all, definitely choose Draconic Aura, that is the most potent on him. Otherwise, Glimmer will serve you well. Remember Basilikos also reduces the cooldown, so that means 1 turn CD for Glimmer and with Raven’s speed he rarely doesn’t double, plus it scales off his attack so… very good.
There are a few units which will only fall to a charged special. (Or a Galeforce second attack 😉 and no, I don’t usually promote units to then inherit their skills, I just thought in for a penny in for a pound with him, as it was already a lot of investment and I was excited about the potential, which hasn’t let me down)
I usually score in the low 4800s in arena. That’s been enough to hover between 18 and 19 so far.
You know it literally never occurred to me that LnD 2 is just about as good as LnD 3, except cheaper. I will have to start using it, though I wonder if Fury isn’t better at that point.
I think I’ve mentioned this before, but I have a refined Hauteclere Minerva with Aether who uses the Heavy Blade seal. I’m doing what I can to keep her relevant, and she’s pretty potent as a Flier Emblem sweeper. I don’t really want to give her up. But Glimmer activating every round sounds like plenty anyway. I’m really torn between Vantage and Desperation. My gut says Vantage but most people seem to recommend Desperation. I think you also recommended Desperation previously
That was around my score too, previously, so we’ll see how it goes now. My particular Raven really does get a high score though (Galeforce and the +10 even at the 4*) and I’ll probably keep him as my arena core for quite some time, VL Ike with his Aether likewise is worth a lot of points.
Fury is great but there are so many units who want it, and since with the Firesweep I don’t ever intend for Soleil to get hit and I don’t need Desperation to prevent counters, I’ll go with LnD. Fury’s synergy with Desperation is really useful but in this case unnecessary.
Possibly, but you know you can just switch the seal around. Of course, if you’re doing arena assault or if you’re using her in the new Rival Domains mode you would have to make a choice of who to give it to.
I think it depends a bit on your playstyle. My Raven is a bit sturdier than yours, so I often bait for his first engagement. Yours will probably still survive most things at full health. Vantage definitely works too. But he won’t exactly be able to tank more than once. So Desperation for the following turns is very good. Otherwise you’re stuck in enemy phase or units you can defeat in one hit or who can’t counter.
It also synergizes well with both Fury and Galeforce for me.
Here are a few scenarios:
1. Bait, get into Desperation range, safely initiate from then on.
2. Bait, don’t get into Desperation range, get into Desperation range on next engangement, see 1.
3. Initiate on unit that can counter, get into Desperation range, activate Galeforce
3a. Deliver the killing blow
3b. Advance on the next unit and safely take them out with Desperation
3c. Retreat to safety
4. Initiate, don’t get into Desperation range
4a. On unit that can’t counter, see 1.
4b. On unit that blocked your follow up and therefore no Galeforce, see 1.
4b is probably the likeliest scenario for Raven to be defeated, depending on who the opponent is and what skills they have (e.g.. breaker skills or brave weapons or bold fighter, etc.)
Replace Galeforce with dancer if you use one.
I prefer player phase, but if you’re someone who prefers enemy phase then Vantage may work better for you. But Raven’s ability to tank is really confined to the first engagement usually, especially with Fury and without a healer. He doesn’t kill everything on the first hit.
Personally I feel Vantage reduces his usability.
Ironically I got a 5* Raven as a pity breaker in a last ditch attempt to get LA Hector. No idea what to do with him.
Yeah I opted to go with Desperation, for the reason you stated. He’s not going to get doubled, so he can bait on enemy phase to get into Desperation range (or on player phase if it’s safe). Then, he can pretty sweep on the next turn by getting consecutive doubles.
I’m still going to go with Glimmer to start, as I don’t want to promote a Cordelia for Galeforce right now, but I’ll reconsider if it looks like he doesn’t need Glimmer or he’s having trouble getting out of conflicts.
#morethan2
Why is Chrom even on a children’s banner?
People are saying male Morgan will get dropped, but I doubt that. Dull ranged just seems too rare of a skill to have access at 4*
Morgans look great, I would pull for Male Morgan but him sharing a color is a no-go. Very nice to see Gerome, and excited that he’s free; I wonder if he’ll have a unique axe? Mounted Chrom looks awesome, and Sword Valor in the pool twice really helps out. As for colorless breath…. Nasir maybe? Will this bring the dawn of the Laguz, as melee colorless units?
Hopefully Female Morgan is available at lower rarities after this banner so more players can have opportunities to grab a ranged flier unit. She’s definitely more likely to have her rarity dropped than Male Morgan or Chrom since her skills aren’t too special in comparison.
Colorless Breath?! Deginseah GHB when?
Kinda wish female Morgan was green not blue. Otherwise, I really don’t need another melee red horse but Sword Valor! Plus he looks really cool 🙂 well, I’d like any of them, we’ll see if I have orbs and luck to actually get any. As the Awakening kids go I’d prefer Brady, Cynthia, Kjelle or Noire. At least Gerome is coming soon 🙂
Eirika’s Sieglinde is a interesting weapon. Let’s say Eirika has a S-Rank Support with Marth, Marth has his refined Falchion, and let’s put a Shiro with Tactic Def to gives Marth +6 def. If Marth is adjacent Eirika, she will have +10 in each stat during battle (+6 from the buffs, +2 from the support and +2 from the Falchion). And then there are the others units buffs. Eirika is a good unit now! (That’s what I Understood about the weapon. If I am wrong, please tell me).
Soren’s weapon is really good too. A Owl Tome with Chill Atk.
Leo’s weapon is… something. He lose his Gravity effect to receive reduce damage from magic foes, and his extra effect makes foes don’t make follow-up attacks with foe’s def+1 is lower than Leo’s def.
Blessed Garden is great. We can get 40 orbs and 80 divine dews!
I didn’t try the Rival Domains mode yet. I thought Rival Domains would be a Event map, but nope… it is in Special Maps session.
Exactly, Eirika will work wonders on a tactics team. And I plan to take advantage of that with units like LA!Lilina and L’Arachel with bladetomes!
Eirika is now one of the best unit to have a tactic skill. She can give +6 something to a ally, and receive +6 in all stats during combat because of it. That’s really great. I am considering refine her weapon now. I used the divine dews I got from the Blessed Garden in Alm, so… next time, Eirika.
To sad I don’t have a tactic skill to give her. I hope I can get at least a 4-stars L’Arachel for the Res Tactic.
Not to rain on the parade, but it says “Calculated independently” What you’re describing is “Calculated Cumulative” or “Dependent” Basically it means it’ll take the highest buff among that stat and add it to her own corresponding stat. So A +6 Res Tactic won’t net her +6 to all her stats, but +6 to her Res.
Yes, after I saw the PhoenixMaster1 video, I understood it. But, still… it is a great refinement! Now, we only need a Spd Tactic to make Eirika awesome!
Ironically that’s where I got the info from too lol….well I kind of thought it that way to begin with but as soon as I heard Phoenix go over it it cemented it XD. But like he said, someone like Sothe will be her BFF because he can give her +8 to all her stats from just him (luckily I got him)
Yes, me too (got Sothe).
I would say how nice the new features are, but the IOS delay is preventing me, so instead I’ll express my surprise that Fell Robin was actually the more popular character in the voting Guantlet as there was a solid 12+ hr period where things where tied but Robin slowly gained the lead and broke the stalemate by taking the lead, not Celica. This ultimately doesn’t mean much when it comes to the winner, just found it interesting the waifu wasn’t the popular pick.
as usual it came down to who had the multiplier in the end, and maybe me, I’m always on the losing team ^^;; (sorry Celica)
I think maybe more players had Grima as the bonus unit? He’s certainly more interesting as a unit on its own than possessed Celica. I had neither when the final round started and so picked Celica.
Slightly more popular, but yeah. There was a stalemate for several hours on the second day until the pendulum swing in Celica’s favour and then Grima. Back and forth until Grima had multipliers in the final round
Rival Domains so cool~ I have many Awesome Units in my Friendlist, so it feels good when I can finally use Myrrh without having her~
And those Maps could sure some Story-Scenarios recreate, like that one huge map in Radiant Dawn, where you must defeat 80 Units.
Finally a use for the massive amount of level 40 units I have 😀 playing from the start will do that. I’ll only get to test out these modes later today but I’m looking forward to Rival Domains at least. For the gardens I’ll first have to decide who to give the blessings to. Yay for divine dew though!
“You can now Sort by Level when viewing your allies.”
This is not actually what the new feature is. If you go into the Settings menu, there is a new option that determines whether or not merges count as an extra level when sorting by the pre-existing “Sort by Level” option.
Rival Domains is pretty fun, if a little disorienting. I haven’t beaten infernal yet. It looks like you need to take the camp and at least hit the fortress to hit that score. Blessed Gardens is still irritating. The maps are so simple that I’m basically trading blessings for the rewards stated. I really don’t like it.
Now I want a Marth with Exalted Falchion as weapon.
Also, for the Colorless Dragon… I think it can be the next Legendary Hero.
Blessed Gardens and the blessings are probably my favorite new addition to this game since Tempest Trials.
If I get 2 Female Morgans, I will give a Serpent Tome to my LA!Lyn.
I swore I would’t spend orbs until Thracia came out, but… I spent 130 orbs. Though I have twice as much as that left so… Got exalted chrom and female morgan. both -hp +atk
Ah there’s the storytelling I’ve come to expect from them. I knew hoping they would maintain a degree of basic competence was too much to ask. Also, I realize it’s a narrow pass, but 6-5 was trolling a bit even for them, what with barely half the map accessible by infantry.
I got Clair pulling for LA Lyn. Then I got Matilda. I have no sympathy left.
Yeah I pulled Mathilda looking for Soleil. I also pulled Mia, and Corrin, and Caeda. It’s been a time.
Strong as a demon, yet gentle to her love…
…Who is also rubbish but at least did not cost any orbs unlike her and her sister in law.
Honestly, my Clive is great. Refined Silver Lance and Swordbreaker means he takes basically no damage from swords and kills nearly all of them. He’s first off the bench in Arena Assault when I see an Ayra or something. I’ve got nothing for Mathilda though. Such low ATK…
Spent all my orbs icluding blessed garden on fallen heroes and got bot all at 5.5%, spent this mornings orbs to try for Mogan – F and got fallen Celica. Why does this game mock me.
Aaaand…nothing, is it just me or did the 5* pull rates secretly become much worse after the anniversary? Every banner has been the same so far.
Story wise I’m a bit surprised how it turned out, though this might be an indicator of something drastic happening soon that’ll result in some of these enemy characters leaving Sutr’s side.
I think it’s just a way to taunt/mock with the prospect of a potential free Gunnthrá… oh we’ll see you in a couple of weeks Sis… sorry we have to go in a different direction, maybe a month or so?
Then when you meet her… oh, sorry, nice to meet you, but I’m not free… why not spend some orbs and see if you can summon me, like you have been tryng to for months?
I’m not bitter.
I think it’s just you, I’ve been unusually lucky. RNGesus is fickle.
Yeah, I’ve pulled an unreasonably large number of 5* this calendar year. 21 total on F2P orbs, but I could literally give just about all of them back. They’ve been weird ones like Corrin, Setsuna, Laslow, Gaius, Jaffar, etc. And they’ve mostly been pitybreakers (took 370 orbs for Micaiah and I haven’t gotten Morgan-F). There are literally fewer than five of that group I’d keep.
It’s just RNG being RNG. I was unlucky with the Fallen Heroes and Legendary Banners but today I got F!Morgan as my free summon.
I got a Male Morgan (+Res -Def) and I am happy with it.
M!Morgan has the same problem of L’Arachel… He has a tome which gives him +3 Def, but Def is his lower stat. This will not help him, unless he is Def Boon, which is not something you probably don’t want.
Now, about what unit can be demoted to 4-stars… That’s can and cannot happen now! If none of the Fallen Heroes got demoted, this can happens again with this banner.
We need a new “Event Schedule”! The event remaining in the old Schedule is the Zephiel’s GHB Revival.
OK. M!Morgan is a really good unit. His tome is really cool. I would like to have a Res Smoke skill for him…
At first I thought F!Morgan will get demoted, but it seems like it’ll be M!Morgan. All three are good, but M!Morgan is the weakest link
There is also the possibility of none get demoted, like what happened with the Fallen Heroes Banner.
fallen heroes are like brave heroes. farfetched were also brave heroes
I got two Knight Exalt Chroms!
Sadly most of the story stuff was what we’ve come to expect before recently, but I’m still happy that the last part of it progressed the story in a surprising way. Whether it will lead to anything is to be seen though.
All of them look amazing. Thanks for sharing these
Beowulf looks quite old. I dunno what the deal with Fergus is since Beowulf looks quite old and I doubt Lachesis even liked his personality (he’s considered the polar opposite of her brother). Then again, this is an artists interpretation of a character
Interesting idea, but I always thought Lachesis married Beowulf because he interested her with stories of her brother, but before he died their marriage was already suffering because he knew she loved Eldigan more. Then when Lachesis and Finn were in Lenster they fell in love, and when they were on the move Lachesis gave birth to Nanna (Isn’t Leaf a year or two older than her?) And I always thought that Fergus was just as hinted, Beowulf’s bastard son out of wedlock from his mercenary days. All of this could be wrong though. Thracia barely spelled a lot of things out haha.
I like the fact that Ashnard doesn’t have any support value
What do Fjorm and Laevatainn do?
Would not mind Chrom getting this look as a Warriors costume. And by that I mean I would love it.
Summon on this banner
Less than 60 orbs got me
Leo (normal) spd+ res-
Male Morgan ivs unkown
Grima att+ def-
Female Morgan ivs unkown
Its insane
Literally right after I wonder if Book 2 characters will be added soon, Fjorm and Laevatainn are coming. Funny. 😀
Oh boy. It’s dragon friend.
All the quests were easy, even both “Use Alfonse and Zephiel to defeat a Lv 40 Zephiel”.
The Thracia banner is definetely “New Heroes (Thracia 776?): 10 Apr ~ 23 Apr”. There’s usually a two week gap between new hero releases besides legendary heroes. No other new banner in April
Is it just me or do they want us to spend more orbs than usual?
Are you tempted to spend a whole bunch on the Donnel/Cherche/Olivia banner?
no. but countering skills, special heroes, legendary heros banner, cooldown bonuses and thracia all sound pretty enticing
I guess it’s not a bad bunch of events. Only one new heroes banner (Thracia, I guess) and whatever the new seasonal banner is. A little disappointed there’s not GHB, but I suppose it’s nice that they chose to make the free TT hero a 40% hero.
Wow! This is the worst banner I ever seen. All units can be obtained as 3 stars unit… you can get both Oilivia and Donnel as 1 Star unit! This is a bad banner. Most of the player use Olivia as a 4 Stars Lv 40+10. The only reason to summon on this banner is to try to make a +10 5 Stars unit.
Oh well… I am a player who will not spend a orb on this banner. Also, I will keep the 90+ orbs we will get from TT, BHB, Tap Battle, paralogue maps, quests and log-in bonus in the Legendary Banner.
I can get Cherche’s appearance since she’s Gerome’s mom, but Olivia and Donnel are both questionable choices. If I had to wager a guess, it’s IS telling us to save our orbs in a weird way since there’s 5 other banners running for the duration of the TT.
I’m actually somewhat grateful the TT banner is so boring, since spreading yourself thin over half a dozen banners is taxing on both your wallet and your sanity.
The next banner are… something.
The “Countering Skills” banner is curious. Can be units with Distant/Close Counter, Vantage or Sweep skills.
There are, also, the weapons with Distant Counter like Lighting Breath, Ragnell, Raijinto, and Stout Tomahawk.
There are 5 heroes with miracle for the “Heroes with Miracle” banner: Delthea, Lucius, Maria, Mist and Sigurd.
And we have the “Cooldown Bonuses” banner. It can be weapons with cooldown count -1 (killer and slaying weapons), or cooldown charge skills (Flashing and Heavy Blade, Pulse skills, Steady Breath, Vengeful Fighter and Bold Fighter)
I usually just snipe. Even if there are heroes I want across multiple banners, or even the same banner, I usually subconsciously order who I want and pull accordingly. Because it’s not like I’m going to pull all of them.
Wow, busy busy.
But that has to be the weirdest banner yet.
thanks for the info
sad how Tharja is treated as an sex symbol and doesn’t seem to get anything beyond that
Especially considering she does have actual depth as opposed to most other fanservice characters out there.
yea. that figure pose thing is pretty off putting in this post
She is not even a good sex-symbol.
Urgh, this made me roll my eyes and vow to never use her, not that I really wanted to before this. She just gets worse and worse -.-
Lame reveal for something everybody will be seeing by the end of the month. But I guess if they were going to announce a second wave of DLC it’d be part of a larger Nintendo press release.
Surprised she’s apparently a Robin clone, I was very much banking on her being a Linde clone instead seeing as I felt their animations matched up better (i.e. Linde sometimes holds her skirt down after a large attack, I could see Tharja doing that as well).
You could see Tharja holding down what skirt? Not her own, she doesn’t have one
I was thinking of the flap in between her legs, but I checked again and found that it was thinner than I remembered. My mistake.
I honestly can’t imagine Tharja doing Robin’s combo 6 (just throwing down magic in the air), but maybe that’s just me. I expected better of Koei than creating only four new movesets from nine characters. Oh well.
Even though we knew who the three characters for the Awakening DLC were, guess it shouldn’t be surprising that Tharja is in the game. She might not be popular (in recent polls), but she will always be seen as a sex symbol.
Since when is Tharja “not popular”? If you are talking about CYL2 she was still the second highest Awakening character (after Chrom)/Top 10 out of every female in the series, and CYL2 was heavily influenced by people voting for what they want in the game rather than voting for favs (which is why Leif is so high).
Eh, you can say that for some people, but not every voter. Also, she dropped from 4th to 12th. Also, don’t know why, but I guess I kept on thinking she didn’t make the top 10 for her side. Maybe my mind is just trying to block her out.
She was 3rd for females in CYL1 and 10th in CYL2. And once again, she was still the second most voted for Awakening character after Chrom (Awakening characters in general dropped off). Unless you consider no Awakening characters popular besides Lucina and Chrom (not even Robin or Owain)? Tharja makes perfect sense for a DLC character.
And CYL2 was heavily influenced by what people want in the game, which is why Leif, beast units, and Heroes villains (which people want playable) ranked so highly.
Oh well, agree to disagree.
This is exactly true. CYL2 was primarily Heroes players, while CYL1 was much more widespread. Given as it was prior to the release of the game, I’d take it as more accurate to the overall series popularity. Plus, Tharja came close to winning the Hero Rises poll too, which was the same time as CYL2.
Tharja is still one of the most known non-main characters in the series.
And my weird streak continues, with my free pull being a +Spd -Def Lute. Has anyone else been getting lucky with the free pulls lately? This is my 4th free five star in TWO MONTHS. Seriously not complaining though.
I had some luck, like yours, in September/October last year. It was in “World of the Holy War” and “Genealogy of Light Tempest Trials” banners. First I tried the Holy War banner and I got a green orb and a red orb. From the green orb I got Merric, and then Sigurd from the Red orb. Then, I decide to try to get Ayra from the TT banner. I got 2 red orbs, I got Seth and then Ayra. In 4 tries, I got 4 heroes 5-stars. Never had that luck again.
Also, I got PA!Azura as free unit in her original banner and I got both Brave Ike and Vanguard Ike at the same Summoning Session in this last Legendary Banner.
Oh wow, you beat the Ayra scam? That’s awesome! She wasn’t really to my taste, so I skipped the banner altogether. I have really meh luck with Legendary Banners too, but maybe that is the true balancing act here
I got pretty lucky in the first Legendary Banner (Fjorm’s banner), with 7 units (Bride Caeda, Spring Xander, Genny, Ike, Bride Cordelia and 2 Ayras). In Gunnthra’s banner, I got Gunnthra in my 3rd orb, and then Innes, Amelia and Sigurd. From Vanguard Ike’s banner, I got Vanguard Ike, Summer Robin and 2 Fayes. Finally, from Legendary Ephraim’s banner, I got Ephraim, Summer Leo, Brave Ike and Vanguard Ike. I always try to get the Legendary Hero first, then I try for the others.
Also, I got lucky in the Falchion’s banner, with a Alm.
And then, there’s this luck: (the second one was my brother’s, the fourth was a friend, the other three are mine, the last one picking up after the end of the DRobin banner with no units sent home, and the one with the two DRobin was the last hour of his banner)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364858816120225792/400074332434595842/HoRy_Shieeee.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321773610358538241/396932300618727444/download_20171230_234648.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321773610358538241/417932954703233024/screenshot_20180226-152349.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321773610358538241/418961787338227712/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321773610358538241/423640830289379357/Screenshot_20180314-000342.png
That, my friend, is what I call “luck”. The max of 5-stars in the same session I got was 2. Lucky you! …and your friends.
So that means Olivia definitely has a unique moveset, since Owain will certainly share Ryoma’s. I thought for sure they would’ve dropped some info on this DLC now, but I guess it’s probably more likely later this week or next week. I’m sure it’ll release sometime the last week this month. I hope if they do decide they aren’t going to make a sequel that they’ll make at least another DLC pack for this game.
So Tharja is a Robin clone… I was predicting a Linde clone, but I’m not complaining. I hope they treat her supports nicely…
Olivia will definitely have a moveset all her own, though. I predict it will be dance-like and full of twirls, with her C1 functionally identical to Azura’s.
As for the artbook, I look forward to it and the possibility of having artwork for all the characters in Fates! Good luck, Kozaki-san!
official Fates art book? yes!
I always found it weird how these characters didn’t have full art. guess that explains it
I mean, I’m all for more merges for my Cherche, but yikes. As much as I enjoy saving feathers, I also enjoy a chance at pulling decent focus units when there are no green orbs.
On the other hand, at least the 20% units for this TT will be characters everyone already has, and likely they’ll have at least one of them built.
I avoid all 3DS characters so I don’t have any of them. It’s probably manageable to do the trials without any bonus units once in a while, I guess.
You avoid all 3DS characters… because you don’t like them or the 3DS games?
Every time you summon a 3* or 4* 3DS unit, you send them home?
Both. I do keep them though if they have good skills that I can pass down, but it’s also a good source of feathers.
Can the Voting Gauntlet be “2017 Spring Heroes Vs 2018 Spring Heroes”? Maybe we will have a new Spring Heroes Banner on March 22nd, and then a banner with the old Spring Heroes for the Voting Gauntlet. I would like it.
I can’t wait for the artwork finally its been 3000 years!
I would so buy that Echoes art book if it were to come over. It’s probably right up there with the Tellius games in my opinion.
I’m guessing Tharja either leans over invisible air or something she momentarily conjures up. Of course, the camera could just pan above her elbow, but that’d be weird.
Also pretty surprised at how many people here are taking offence to Tharja. Being sexy isn’t a crime, people.
It’s about how IS treats her
Tharja was designed with the appeal of being dark and seductive, which is exactly how IS treats her. Being treated like a sex symbol is only an issue if said character wasn’t designed for the intent of invoking fanservice and has their pre-existing characterization stripped away for that purpose, which clearly hasn’t happened to Tharja given how she’s going to have Supports like every other DLC character.
That’s true, but she’s known known more for sex appeal rather than personality. She has a personality, but IS wants to just have her be a doll. Though I’m interested in supports, but if it’s all going to be about Robin/player… She has other topics she talked about in her supports that are more interesting
BTW, Tharja has no idea of her own sex appeal. She gets flustered when people point out her beauty or large breasts
Some of the Warriors Supports come completely out of nowhere with people you wouldn’t expect to be interacting together, so it’s too hasty to draw conclusions about her game portrayal being purely fanservice.
Other FE works also make efforts to portray her as more than a simple doll: while still focused on sex appeal, she demonstrates a sisterly personality to Kiria in TMS and her promoted cards in Cipher effectively demonstrates the part of her personality which doesn’t concern Robin.
I haven’t played TMS, but this gives hope
They should have just loaded the game with bucket fulls of characters since they are all clones anyway smh
Welp. I’m buying this for my birthday
We’ll probably not getting it in English, but I can always order it so I can look at the beautiful artwork.
Kirokan will probably translate it
I meant an official translation, but as long as we have one somewhere, I’m happy.
Bought.
Bait banner. Though if you want fodder, go ahead
I like the fact that they’re injured. Gives off the fodder feel
Can’t counter if you aren’t hit.
Wanted Hector got Dorcas with pefect IV, I say a nice free summon
A great banner if you want DC or CC.
DC and CC, always nice to have, and so rare, at least for me. Never got a Takumi since launch, which means though that if I got one I probably wouldn’t fodder him away. Damn.
Wow, this is an amazing banner! Ike is a mainstay on my Arena team, so of course I dived in for a merge and finally got one in 60 orbs! Red is always good for fodder, though. Good luck for people going for Hector!
got a hector on my free pull. pweace and bwessings
And the grindfest begins
so what happened to masked marth
He’ll appear at the end of the TT alongside Loki according to the datamine though I can’t find the source, but that’s what people are saying
Yes! Batman is here!
Time to tip Grimas scales!
Worth noting that Gerome has the second highest BST out of all flier units. Myrrh is a loli and therefore got more BST. Anyways, if you don’t merge units then he can be good for scoring because his BST is 161 which is in the 160-164 point bracket. No other flier besides Myrrh and Gerome have a BST of 160 or greater
And since I don’t have any of the 40% units because my rng for that banner was bs, I’ll have to just slog through with 20% units. I’ll try and think of how to incorporate Gerome into the team after I get his 5* reward.
You can always sack your team on the last map and bring Gerome in with the second team. As long as your speed is good, you’ll probably be fine. I usually have to do that with the 20% units when running the Trials. It’s not so bad, at least to me. Horse runs over the Trials anyway.
If you’re loaded with stamina potions, you could just keep auto-battling the second/third-highest difficulty with the units you want to grind SP/merit for in the first two teams. Do something else with your time while you’re at it. The only time I actually take control of my team(s) is for the first two runs of a day, but occasionally I auto-battle those too if I’m too lazy.
It’s a pretty efficient way of grinding SP/merit for no effort.
Micaiah and Ike are ready to defeat some goddess~
I must stay strong…
But that juicy distant counter would be incredible for my Effie and Fredrick…
NO!
Ishtar is looking amazing. Hoping Heroes has her as a GHB unit so that everyone can admire her beauty
Thirteen thousand times yes! I need my goddess of thunder and thighs, and I need her yesterday.
Finally pulled my first Soleil on the free summon…
…and she’s -spd/+res.
sigh
PFFFT HAHA
And my friends were positive we’d be getting Promoted Zelgius today and that he’d have the connected art with +Ike. Can’t wait to hear their reactions!
Helpful tips are in the forum. Right under the Heroes topic
Ok, this BHB is very easy!
Not sure about that. Only one of my units took any substantial damage and I only really used two units in total. The healers never even attacked me once.
My Brave Lyn could solo most of the map with only some occasional aid from Axura. This BHB feels more like a refresher and an excuse to give players some orbs to spend since the accompanying bait banner isn’t appealing in the slightest.
Yeah, that’s true.
You know, something they should add in this Bound hero battles? Ally Support between the 2 heroes. This would make a lot of sense to have in this type of battles.
I’m bad at guessing but I see a pony tail so I’m gonna guess one of them is Selena. Or maybe its Severa like when they added Inigo
I doubt it since neither picture has her hairstyle.
I see Felicia on the right and have heard many arguments for the one on the left, but the right is defiantly Felicia
The one on the right seems to have similar hair (next to her face) to Sharena and the one on the left doesn’t seem to have female hips. I root for Alfonse and Sharena. But I agree it can be Felicia as well if that one part of the shadow is her ponytail.
>I root for Alfonse and Sharena
And you were completely correct!
The right one, with the pony tail, who can be Felicia, looks to be a tome unit.
She looks to be holding a egg, so… Or this will be the Red Egg “tome”, or maybe a new type of “Egg Tome”, and then the Lucina’s Blue Egg+ and Camilla’s Green Egg+ will receive a evolution refinement (Both Blue and Green Eggs+ are Might 11, so they can be evolved to a Mt 12 or 13 weapon).
Maybe Sharena, because there was mention of her getting in a bunny suit in the Easter paralogue
One on the right looks like they’re dancing, so maybe a dancer or Inigo? Or they could be waving, I guess.
I thought it looked like Felicia dropping her egg, actually.
Yeah almost free orbs
Last time was it Awakening and Nohr, maybe this time Hoshido and Mystery of the Emblem.
Can not wait for Marth and Ryoma seasonals~
I hadn’t really considered that Felicia could be the one on the right, but now that I look at it more I can see why people are speculating that it’s her. As for the one on the left, I’m not really sure. It looks like they are either holding a lance or staff, but it’s most likely a lance, because I don’t really see them putting out a seasonal healer. If the one on the right turns out to be Felicia, then she’ll probably be an infantry mage, like Spring Lucina.
everyone keeps saying Felicia can i not hope for Flora !?? xD
Flora is amazing
way better than Felicia
I want Flora too, but the one on the right looks like she’s dropping her egg and Flora’s way too good a maid to do that.
Oh boy, here comes the next wave of broken seasonal armor/flyer units, will the staves finally get their addition of a flier unit? That would actually be kind of busted with how horse staves already are a huge pain to deal with if built correctly.
Wow! Actually… I need all 4!
this will be another pass. gotta stock up for leafy
Dagger Flier? Yep, leave to the seasonal banners to come up with the most unconventional units…so flier staff/bow soon. The mages though…Catria you debuffing monster; between the 2 mages Sharena will probably have the best min/max to her stats. And Alfonse is also here, though his Smoke Def is pretty nasty. Unfortunately he is just going to act as the troll poll for those wanting Catria.
Catria and Alfonse don’t share colours, Alfonse and Sharena do.
Oh, I thought the Giant Spoon was a Lance, welp, that changes my target now.
Fjorm and Gunnthrá better get something in the future now that Alfonse, Sharena, and Veronica are getting alt versions. Also good for Catria and ESPECIALLY Kagero getting must deserved love!
Rip old Kagero…
your poison daggers wreaked havoc among the enemy lines
And though your beta form is disgraced
May your easter form bring you honor
So if the spring paralogues were foreshadowing bunny Sharena then that means that bride Anna, summer Alphonse and summer Sharena could very likely happen.
Summer Kiran when?
Axe cavalry! Well, he looks adorable, maybe he’ll finally be a good axe cavalry.
I hope Spring Alfonse has more speed than normal Alfonse.
I certainly didn’t expect this, and I’m not entirely sure how I feel about it. I do know that I won’t be spending orbs on it, however. They need to do something seriously incredible to make me pull Seasonal again, because all my attempts at pulling from seasonal end in sadness.
Thanks Mila this is a 1 month banner, so I will wait until the Legendary Hero banner to see which one I will spend my orbs, but also I need some orbs to try to get Nanna in a near future.
Sigh…so they really won’t stop with the automatic debuffs? Am I the only one who finds those irritating?
Not the only one.
Nope. I can definitely see what you’re talking about.
…Harsh Command and Micaiah’s Sacrifice support skill becoming more meta, one update at a time…
…does Kozaki know that bunnies don’t hatch from eggs?
Yeah… I always questioned why it was an Easter Rabbit… I still do… cause it doesn’t make sense
I’m guessing that egg is fake and rabbits hide in them
Yeah more coins!
I´m really Eggcited for this banner~
no puns are old…
so the yolks on you 😛
Who the heck decided Spring Camilla’s outfit needed to return, and on Kagero of all people? I want them dead, that’s nothing but the continuation of the obnoxious trend of turning epic characters into fanservice ones and it pisses me off.
I agree with you on principle, but in fairness, their original designs were already pretty disastrous.
Eh, I guess. I sort of never found Kagero’s to be quite as bad, especially considering Saizo and Kaze also had the weird little semi-open front so I suppose I just assumed that was just part of the uniform for all Hoshidan Ninja. She really could have chosen a better color than yellow, though…
Another factor is that Kagero at least had something to her character besides quote-unquote ‘personality’ as opposed to Camilla, who had all kinds of potential that got scrapped in favor of SILF bewbs.
Kaze and Saizo don’t run the risk of anything falling out of that boob window though. For them it just looks weird.
Take it from someone who knows, she can not fight in that outfit without exposing herself. Hell without any proper support that is just awkward and painful and frankly unworkable with the kind of jumping around the ninja do. Don’t get me started on the bottom half of that costume.
Not even getting into their personalities, I personally find yandere types very disturbing, no matter the gender, so I won’t go near Camilla, but her “armor” was just the worst. I was speechless seeing that.
I never had any issue with Kagero’s design generally, and I actually love this art style with its attention to shading and lighting, almost as if painted, but at some point we have to consider humans proportion here…
I find Catria’s art pretty harmless, but I still don’t really like how they’ve made her look younger than her Echoes art, which I think is a perfect representation of a top-5 favorite for me.
it’s not so much proportions, it’s the laws of physics, like gravity
like, maybe if those things on the costume are metal and she holds that position with her arm supporting the frontload and without breathing, but even then this is unlikely
everything would come all tumbling out as soon as she moves or takes a moderately deep breath
Yeah I was more thinking like, how does that work on such a slight frame? People were giving Grima’s artist a hard time for ill proportions, but Kagero isn’t vaguely within the confines of human development. Not with that body. I just don’t see a reason to go so overboard. Restraint is a friend.
The costume is unworkable, yeah, but frankly almost all women (and some men) have pretty ridiculous outfits if they actually had to do anything (like all the Pegasus Knights in little skirts or Catria riding a horse in what she’s wearing. I’m used to that ridiculousness by now.
As someone who has been cursed with a very similar physique I have to disagree with you on that, but I definitely know first hand that those clothes are bs, as is her original costume, sorry.
But I do see a trend for proportions like these which are definitely unusual and even worse ones which go right over into ridiculous without artificial help. I would absolutely welcome some restraint as well, especially for Kagero who is Hoshidan, an Asian inspired country, and on their body types this would be even more of a freak occurence.
At least they’re not floating under her chin.
That’s definitely true as well.
For the short skirts on a pegasus all I can say, it can work, but only without a saddle.
Hmmm fair enough. I spoke too confidently then, and I take it back. I actually didn’t remember her original costume and had to look it up again, but yeah, that one isn’t doing her much good either, surely. I’ve wondered from time to time how all these large-chested women would be able to do much of anything in the way of fighting as they allegedly do. I’ve known less-endowed folks struggle with less.
It’s certainly not the most common shape for a woman to have.
They must have a great tolerance for pain, be extremely skilled to deal with the obstacles they carry around, or use the flopping about of parts that get in the way as a diversionary tactic… I’m kidding, it’s just fanservice and pandering to a certain type of male demographic. Wish fulfillment.
A heavily armored class wearing armor that leaves most of the most vulnerable attack points bare just blew my mind.
Minerva’s armor looks really cool, it’s a bit over the top but that’s its worst offense.
Totally agree, you can give her proper light armor, put her all in leather, make it tight and suggestive and flattering to her physique and there you go, practical and still going with the theme. It’s really not that hard.
Make it white and with frilly designs on if you want to create a fake sense of innocence, there are so many options.
To be honest, all of this is one of the reasons I was very happy when they announced a different artist for Echoes. Kozaki Yusuke is talented no doubt, but although before him there were some ludicrous designs it wasn’t on almost every character and it wasn’t as extreme. Even the post battle poses of the female character models in Fates are completely incongruous and unnecessary. (Awakening did it to a lesser extent)
Echoes has its flaws as well, as do all the games, but it wasn’t as bad as the Kozaki designed games.
Actually, Echoes has my favorite presentation of all of them, and if I had my way, would be the standard the series uses going forward. I loved just about all the art (though they couldn’t shake their past issues when it came to writing) and the feel of the environments felt consistent as well. As I’ve said, that game and its art turned Catria into a top-5 character for me.
I think your point about incongruity sums it up well. Fanservice is one thing in a title that fosters it, but it just feels odd in a Fire Emblem title that still tries to be serious otherwise. The post battle poses and even all the quipping during battle don’t help with that.
EEYYYYY KAREL
Also wow, the Tiki Promo broke the time continuum.
Such beautiful artwork!
I llike these cards with 2 charas on it, it tells a little bit of story about them~
Yay! A free 3 stars Olivia!
Congrats! I got the incredible rare 3* Subaki!
4* Fa…well, maybe I can think of someone to fodder Renewal to.
3* Eliwood…
At least Subaki has Quick Riposte… wait a minute… Did you get only blue and colorless orbs in your summoning sessions?
I don’t remember tbh, I might have had one green… but definitely no red and I remember seeing colorless and blue…
but I understand your inquiry… conspiracies!
The banner spam continues, skip and wait literally one more day for the bunny banner where the units will probably just be better.
Got me a sweet sweet 3* Frederick…
got a Soren, a 4 star one…..
This happened to me in the Resonating Fangs Tempest Trial Banner. Boey was a focus unit, and I summon a 4 star one.
You probably had the same reaction mine: “OMG! I got a five-sta… oh… he is 4-stars… damn it!”
AWESOME
Olivia looks amazing.
tomorrow?? ssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiittttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Olivia my waifu I am looking foward too!!!! same for Tharja!!
Finally
I can use owain!
tharja and Olivia will be cool also…
And that robin Legendary weapon… expirati— what, no grima powers?
Interesting, so Strategist’s Blessing effectively turns your character into Marc…curious…
Oooh, I finally got a (4*) Hinata with good IVs (+Atk -Res).
Destruction Pact is a curious skill. It can be really helpfull in some hard missions, but if the “gradually decreases the user’s HP” effect the HP requirement for S-Rank, this will be the worst skill to have on a unit.
Wait the title states the release date for the Awakening DLC is March 29th, yet the 1st sentence says it’ll be here tomorrow.
Is this DLC’s release date tomorrow or the 29th ?
The 29th.
Really bummed that I have to wait another week. But from the looks of things it’ll be worth it. Can’t wait to see what is in store :3
The one DLC pack I’ve wanted the most is also going to be the one released at the absolute latest possible date. Of course. They just really want to wring out every last moment before I finally get Owain, lmao.
You know, it’s just become normal at this point, but I’m getting s*** rng…yet another banner where I’ll probably get nothing.
I sleep. Thracia takes priority
Mildly unrelated, but looking at the datamine, it seems we didn’t protest the Tap Battle enough, since we’re getting another one. We should change that. Although, the quickest way to win me over is with Twilight of the Gods, so maybe they’re at least learning (also yeah I have no orbs of putting in around 200 for Morgan-F and not getting her, but I promise I’m not too bitter)
Did people really dislike Tap Battle that much? Barring the admittedly bland music, I had some great fun with the mode. It’s somewhat understandable that IS wouldn’t exactly hit the nail right on the head when they experiment with something totally new, so just killing it off from a lackluster first impression would be too harsh.
It’s like TT. It required updates to made to it’s system
But tap battle is servery limited on any potential functions or fixes. Only thing I see getting better is making the rewards better, or at least offering separate rewards for clearing hard mode. Because there was no real incentive to actually do that mode, or no real incentive to keep on getting a high score. Along wit hthe fact that the summit rewards being a hotspring animation…..yeah. 5 orbs wouldn’t have killed them.
Ugh…I loathed it, and I understand it wasn’t well received either. It was exceedingly boring, irritatingly repetitive, didn’t give meaningful rewards, and had nothing to do with Fire Emblem or even the rest of the game in any meaningful way. And then the quests exacerbated it. Why do i have to go kill the lowest level boss five times each day? That’s a mind-numbing waste of my time even compared to some of the other random quests. In a game where we don’t have any way to generate our own resources, it felt like being made to junp through a very odd hoop. Plus, like Blessed Gardens, it’s a very lazy way to occupy the developers when there are other things they could be doing. It’s fine that some people don’t mind it, but I found it endlessly grating.
It was somewhat repetitive, yeah, and the quests were weird, but I for one will personally take them over the ‘go beat the Training Tower Tenth Floor ten times’ garbage, especially since it’s really only good for Support or Badge grinding now that we have the rotating SP Training Levels.
Yeah those quests aren’t wonderful either, but at least they let me play the game. I can use teams and units I don’t usually, which gives it mild entertainment. The units don’t even matter for Tap Battle
But Tap Battle by itself is completely harmless. It’s just a fun little side-game, doesn’t cost anything to play, and while the rewards are relatively minor, it’s still essentially free stuff we presumably wouldn’t be getting otherwise. Honestly, I don’t see any significant problems with it.
I know they overhyped the possibility of a final reward at the end last time, but that doesn’t make the mode itself bad.
If you don’t enjoy something and its prizes, can’t you just keep quiet and ignore it? Is INTSYS obliged to pull down everything you’re not satisfied with? WTF is with this arrogant attitude? I never enjoyed Arena Assault and guess what, I don’t play it. It’s really THAT easy. Besides, I know tons of people who have fun with Tap Battles, myself included. Maybe you should realize that even if many people are vocal about their dislike for it, the majority is quiet and that’s because they have no reason to be vocal about it.
Never would I have imagined playing a Musou game where the player actually hands the reigns over to NPC allies. I’ve always accepted the general uselessness of NPCs as a norm in Musou games, so I really can’t wait to try playing as a strategist.
I’m pretty bummed about getting spooked by the wrong Morgan, so hopefully I can have some better luck in this banner. It’s nice that Alfonse and Sharena actually interacted with their other selves; here’s hoping Anna gets another version of herself soon.
I’m very much expecting Anna on the bridal banner. The siblings getting bunny outfits was sort of foreshadowed by that paralogue’s dialogue, and Anna did get that enchanted bouquet after all.
Yay, a 5-Stars Soren destroyed my % rate. I am so happy…
I was thinking I’d pull for Kagero but.. I’m gonna pass on this banner. Failed to get Chrom on the last one and I’m a little frustrated with it.
I am planning to give my +Res -Spd Faye a Guard Bow+, what do you think about it?
Yeah, just give her Cancel Affinity for TA Raven users or Guard for the likes of Reinhart and she should be a good mage tank.
Yeah. Faye has 42 HP, 41 Atk, 21 Spd, 26 Def and 34 Res. With the Guard Bow, she will have 42 Atk. After Refinement, she will have 44 HP and probably 29 Def, because I am thinking to give it a DEF refinement. For the A-Skill, I don’t know what to give her. For now she has Death Blow 2, but I was thinking about a Boost Skill. I only have available Earth Boost as a Lv 3 Skill, but Fire Boost also can be useful. A Stat Plus skill is also a possibility. For B-Skill, I was thinking about Quick Riposte, but the Cancel Affinity is now a option. For C-Skill, Threaten Def is a possibility, but also Drive Spd and Panic Ploy. For Sacred Seal, I will go with Distant Def or Def Ploy. Iceberg as Special, and Reposition as Assist.
I myself have a +Res – Def Faye, and I run a Res Guard Bow with QR 2 and Iceberg, works very well! I gave her Defense Ploy, but honestly the C slot is flexible most of the time.
I would give her a Def Ploy skill if I have one, so the Def Ploy SS will be the case. And I plan to give her the Def Guard Bow to help her Def.
Yeah, that’s exactly why I Res refined! Hope she works for you.
You aren’t interested in the Firesweep/Poison Strike/Savage Blow build? That’s what I’d want to build if I ever have one, since it’s pretty unique. Otherwise, I’d guess DD/QR is probably pretty viable with the guard bow.
I’m so excited for this! Would love to see further DLC, but only if it’s different. I feel like the UI isn’t set up great for too many more characters or History Mode maps.
praying every night for tellius-based dlc tbh
Well depends on how so far its doing if its good
“Mission First!” says Kagero to Catria while she is blushing from embarrassment about the Bunny Suit she wears~
>In case you missed you
(In case you missed it)
>the Awakening maps for Warriors were scheduled
(the Awakening maps for Heroes were scheduled)
lol
Yup, I clearly missed all of you <3
In all seriousness, thanks. Clearly I need to post my articles AFTER I've had my daily tea.
I always miss you too ❤
Owain can’t keep his raging hormones in check for 1 week
Finally got a 5* Merric to go with Mathilda and Clair – result!
So glad Tharja has made it to Warriors! All of the new characters look great!
Day one has blown out all my Orbs, and what to show for it?
A Leo, an Elise, and a second Karel…
I’m cool with that, since I didn’t have either of the Nohrians, though it is a little frustrating that two 5S Units came on the color that couldn’t have given me a Focus Unit. Ah, well, the Banner is yet young and my Alt Account still has a chance to show off its ridiculous luck with these things.
Too sad Owain don’t have a Odin’s costume.
It might wouldn’t make any sense for Owain to have his Dark Mage costume and Odin identity since Owain is a Myrmidon in Fire Emblem Warriors and Owain didn’t use any magic back in Awakening. He managed to gained Magic from Anakos during at Hidden Truths 2.
But a costume is just a costume.
i really want the dlc pack 2 to be: Echoes (Alm/Clair/Boey), Blazing Sword (Hector/Nino/Louise) and FE Switch (??/??/??)
Tellius though. Ike, Micaiah, and Titania maybe? I’d even take Frederick’s moveset for her.
About yours Echoes pack: Alm is a obvious choice, he is the protagonist of his game along side Celica. I don’t know about Clair, because she would the the 4th pegasus knight. What about Clive/Conrad, a totally new moveset as Lance Cavalry? And Boey? I like Boey, but I don’t know if he would be the choice from Celica’s Army. They would probably go with Mae and give her Linde’s Moveset.
About yours Blazing Sword Pack: Hector is a good choice, being the one with the new moveset. But if they decide to go with Hector, they should add Eliwood too, with Xander’s moveset. And my last choice would be Ninian, because we need another Dragon in the game. She can have a different moveset than Tiki, because Tiki is more like a child and Niniam is more like a Adult.
I don’t know about FE Switch Pack, what about a Path of Radiant Pack? With Ike (probably another Chrom clone), Titania (Frederick clone) and Elincia, being the first Flying Sword unit in the game.
I choose FE switch pack because they obviously are gonna promete it when launch, the same way celica was included in the game to promote echoes.
But if they made a path of radiant pack, the characters i want are: Ike (obviously), Titania and Shinon. I choose shinon because there’s few true archers in the game (anna is a trickster and niles is a outlaw, so they don’t count).
Would be interesting to have FE Switch Characters as a promotion of the game but, as you said, Celica was include to promote Echoes. They used 1 character to promote the 3ds games, not a full Pack. I can see 1 character as a reward for buying the Season Pack 2. Celica was a old character with a new visual, so huge FE’s fans already knew her, and we all believe FE Switch will be a new game, not a remake. If I was not a FE’s fan, I would not be interesting in Corrin when he/she was annouced for Smash as DLC.
Also, Outlaw is a Archer class, just don’t have the name “archer”. Outlaw is a Nohr’s archer class, as Diviner is a Hoshido’s mage class and Shrine Maiden is a Hoshido’s cleric class.
You have a point about the FE Switch characters, one character is enough to promote the game. Also, outlaws are the Nohr’s thief class, not the archer class.
Yeah… that’s true about the Outlaw… I forgot Outlaw has Locktouch.
Also, maybe to promote the FE Switch game, Warriors can update for version 2.0 for a second season pass and they could give the FE Switch unit for free, similar to how Fjorm was add in Heroes whe the Book Two was added to the game.
*The Blazing Blade
HYPE
Hello, Delthea.
Why would they need to cover her up? Then again, the “secret” figurines in the previous sets were Feh (okay) and Reinhardt (why), so they don’t really need a reason.
Also vanilla Sharena still doesn’t get a figurine, being passed over in favour of her bunny version. Sad. At least Anna is here!
You sure that’s not (F) Robin? Those look more like her twintales than Delthea’s ribbon to me. Fits the Awakening theme too…
99% sure it’s Delthea. The piece that can be thought as pants is the “tail” of her robe, and this looks exactly like her ponytail. Give me a minute (not literally) and I’ll whip up her sprite from the assets.
Her pony tail is too thick on the tail end to be her’s, plus the ‘tail’ of her robes flow back during her attack so it doesn’t line up with looking like pants. Also her legs come in close during her attack animation, the silhouette’s is spacing out more with one leg doing a little pop.
http://image.ibb.co/jT50s7/Untitled_3.jpg
I could have done better if I had any artistic talent and weren’t as bad at perspective.
It is very definitively Delthea.
There are plenty of small discrepancy between the two: hair shape, tome position, angle of her arm, however the counter to it being Delthea is that her legs and feet don’t even come close to matching up as at no point during her animations does her right leg do a pop up like you see in the silhouette. I’d love for her to get one of these, but this aint it.
We’ll just have to wait and see. Unless it actually turns out to not be Delthea, I will maintain that it’s her.
I believe is Delthea too. For me, the arm and legs format don’t match with Robin’s, so I don’t believe the shadow unit is our “Mystery Tactician: F! Robin”. The first time I saw it, I thought it could be Tharja, but the sprite shape don’t match.
If you compare Lucina’s game sprite with Lucina’s Mini Acrylic Figure, both have differences: The hand, the egg position, the scarf… so the shadow unit in the collection can be Delthea. About the egg position, I even checked if she does this position when she trigger the special, but nope! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8343ceefbb9976901e5b8b2c90ad62fcefd47f61e55a74435169e5a95d3a9e8.jpg
But where is the bow in her hair?
Believe it or not, I simply forgot to put the bow in her hair when I was assembling the sprite.
I do see the resemblance, but when I checked Delthea’s sprite in game, her bow should have covered the gap between the ponytail and the head that’s shown in the silhouette. Unless IS forgot to include it? Or, perhaps the bow is blowing so far away that a gap is created. But in the game, no gap was seen in the animation. So that’s why I’m not sure…
The bow would cover a part of the gap, leaving some uncovered.
I wish I actually had a Delthea in my barracks because I always forget to screenshot as I’m fighting her.
I only see the tail on the left side but not the right side, which during Robin’s attack animations we see both very clearly; also it should be noted that where Robin’s pig tails start are lower than what we see in the silhouette. Another thing to note is actually the legs, specifically the pant bottom, it doesn’t match up with any of Robin’s canonical designs and the silhouette seem to be wearing a cap, not a robe. So unless they give F!Robin a completely unconventional design that breaks from the current FEH mold, it’s not her despite the supposed datamine leaks. It’s not Delthea either as it also doesn’t matchup.
Keep in mind too that we haven’t had the Thracia banner yet which, by the time this set is available, will have come out already with it’s accompanying TT and/or GHB, so my money is actually on it being Ishtar as the hair does match up and her we don’t know how updated/different her design will be from the original works.
Hey look it’s Owain! Finally someone I can put to zero hp and not care about! 🙂
Oh my gosh, wait! How did I not see the screenshot before!! Azura and Olivia have a support! Yesssssss I really wanted that.
Can’t wait for more hot springs!
*looking at Saizo and Kaze Clear Files”
isn’t that official art of them? (remember, we haven’t got official artwork of FE: Fates excepting some character
Yup, you are correct! It seems like they are slowly paving the way for an artbook with artwork for all the characters.
I need that clear file with Saizo and Kaze!
Good finally Fates art is started surfacing! 3,000 years lafter!
Where can we preorder the can badge ? I don’t want to miss Soren…
Ishtar? Possibly?
Wait a second…
We already had this one…
So… does this mean less orbs? 🙁
It’s a re-run, so instead of getting orbs for the initial clear (if you got those last time), there’s now 6 quests with one orb each for fulfilling certain requirements. For the most part, not too rough.
yay, more orbs
I need to choose a green unit to confer a Earth Blessing… Shiro as Blue unit and Siegbert as Red.
My Earth Team is a Tactic Team. VL!Ike, Shiro, Siegbert and L’Arachel. All three tactic units buffing Ike.
Nice, I don’t have an Earth team, I just have my Raven. But it’s ok, he can defeat red units no problem.
Easy orbs are always welcome!
Nice to complete with Tempest Trials~
Hmmm Girl Grima actually looks really enticing, and I’ve wanted a Summer Elise for just about ever. And the green and colorless pools are actually pretty good for me. Although, my luck on these banners has been quite poor (a lot of 5* pulled, not yet anyone I had wanted). Tough decision.
Good luck to you, Summer Elise is adorable and really good too, a lot like Nino though.
I wanted a Sumemr Tiki but I’ve already got Elise and three Gunnthras (she likes me for some reason), so I’ll probably skip green. Colorless and Blue for me 🙂
And maybe I’ll try and fail to get Sigurd again, not even sure why, I have too many red horsies as it is, and horsie Chrom is really great.
Thank you! Good luck to you too! I want Elise exactly because it would allow me to basically run two Ninos. She’s basically my only green mage right now. I’d be fine with Gunnthra, and could probably find some use for Close Defense.
I don’t know how you’re doing with the rotating GHBs, but Sigurd is apparently really helpful for those, since he’s so hard to kill. Other than that, yeah, I also have a ton of red horses, and I’m still partial to Xander’s Distant Counter, even if Chrom is really strong
I have almost all red calvery units, and Xander is by far the best IMO.
SIgurds good, and I don’t have horse chrom, but Xander’s DC and durability on a horse emblem is really effective
That’s exactly the thing, I just keep using Xander too 😀
But horsie Chrom really won me over during this TT, I know he gets bonuses on that, but I’ve been using him on my arena team too these last two weeks and he’s really good. So fast, and sturdy too, the lack of DC is the only drawback.
Thanks 🙂
I see. Well, may she come to you then. I’ve got Merric, Cecilia, Deirdre, Elise, Inigo and Nino that I regularly use so I’m good on green mages mostly. But I’ll probably still try to get bunny Sharena 🙂
But Nino is my MVP. Elise has similar stats, but I don’t have a bladetome on her.
I’ve not done too many of the quests yet. I’ve got all of the blessings but I’ve been a bit lazy about the team specific quests.
Same, Xander, Cecilia and Camus are still my horse emblem core. Rotating regular Elise, Reinhardt or BLyn/LA Roy as the 4th, depending on the situation. But I’ve become very fond of horsie Chrom over this last TT and arena season. With the sealed Falchion he’s just extremely fast and sturdy _and_ hardhitting. And that’s without horse buffs. So I’ll give it a try even if I will really miss the DC. Or maybe I’ll change my backup cavalry team.
I honestly really didn’t want to see another Grima *already*. The Fallen Heroes banner wasn’t even that long ago and on top of that we’ve just had another Awakening banner as well. It feels like suddenly, IS has returned to its fascination with Awakening. So yeah, other than legendary hero status and the fact this unit happens to be a colourless dragon… I don’t really care. Still, it’s a good banner, so I’ll pull from it anyway. The only dud colour for me is Green. I already have Gunnthrá, and with Brave Ike and Nino, what need would I have for Elise and Tiki? Other than like… Close Def fodder and Valor skill utility.
Now as a big Tellius fanboy, I see Mist here, and this is only her third banner appearance, including her debut banner. I’m sure people will call me crazy for this, but being one of three Tellius units I still didn’t have yet (the others being Mia and Nephenee), I sniped for her anyway. And I had the luck to get her, and in a fairly timely fashion. 84 orbs down and I got her. And that, even after getting pity broken early on by a forced non-colourless pull in the form of Sigurd – which I’m also perfectly OK with. So yeah, I’m content, and I still have about 85 orbs left, so I can move on to the Legendary banner now as well. This almost couldn’t have worked out better for me.
After my bad luck streaks lately, it’s about time, really…
I am happy you got the unit you wanted. Mist is not the best staff user, but she is not the worst either. From the Tallius units, I don’t have Elincia, Mia and Zelgius. Maybe I can get the Jet-Black General in this Legendary Banner.
I think it’s safe to expect they will always go back to Awakening. It’s just too popular not to lean on. Tellius, while also my favorite, doesn’t seem to match it in that regard.
Sniping for a Mist with only 170 orbs is a bold move. Glad it worked out.
By my standards, 170 is a lot. I’m honestly not sure I’ve ever held that many orbs at any one time before throughout the game’s life so far. And thankfully, it seems my luck isn’t too shabby so long as I stay away from seasonals. After several attempts, I’ve learned my lesson. Seasonal banners hate me with a passion.
And yes, of course, I understand that Awakening remains a big deal to IS, but now that they’re finally touching upon it again in Heroes, they’re laying it on pretty thick. I suppose there’s probably some sort of business logic behind it. Still, for me personally, it’s a little much. Last time they focused this much on one game in Heroes within a short time-span was surrounding the release of Shadows of Valentia.
That’s incredible to me. I tend to hoard around 300 before I pull. I find that maximizes my likelihood of getting a unit I want. Of course, even then that’s worked only about half the time this year. I would never expect to get my target with 170, even sniping. I get stressed below 200, but that might be my luck.
First… I got a Laslow as my free summon.
Second… This is my opinion and preferences about this legendary banner:
– The main color I am going is… colorless:
I want FV!Robin because she looks to be a good unit, but I don’t know if I will put her in my Dragon Team or in my Flying Team. I think Dragonskin will be exclusive to her. If not, Myrrh will be the only other unit who can use it. Also, I don’t have Nekura, so… yeah. And is always good to have Swift Sparrow and Atk Smoke. I use my free neutral Brave Lyn, and I don’t plan to change her for others.
– Next is… Red:
I don’t have Zelgius and Nowi, so good for me if I got one of them. I have 3 Ikes, so… meh.
– The 3rd color I am going is… Green:
I only don’t have Elise for the green color 9I would prefer her normal version, but…). I have Tiki, but Close Def is always good to have, and maybe I can get a better Gunnthrá (if I am not wrong, mine is -Res).
– and Blue is the last one.
I only don’t have Lute. Fjorm is a good unit, but she only has Atk Drive for me, and I got a Brave Lucina from the Spring banner…
I didn’t expect Robin to be the first Colorless Dragon. I don’t like F!Robin that much… she is “meh” for me. And I still want a Legendary Staff user, which I still think will be Fjorm’s and Gunnthrá’s other sister. I think the other Nifl’s princess is the youngest one, and will receive the classic treatment of the youngest royal member: be a healer, like Maria, Sakura, Elise and Lissa.
F!Grima, and then Summer Elise. Afterwards I’ll probably not have anymore orbs and will want to start saving.
I don’t have the orb stockpile to pull. I’m still too badly burned from spending 270 orbs on the Spring banner and only pity broken by Abel.
Oh… that’s sad…And Abel is not a amazing unit either… I hope you got, at least, good IVs.
+spd/-hp so not bad. Already had a +atk/-res Abel that was fully build a while ago. So unneeded really. I’ll probably pass Brave Lance+ to someone instead.
I wasn’t salty when I pulled Abel since I was too shocked with my worst ever pull rate to get any 5* unit. But yeah. Now I feel the burn with this banner which could have been a better choice to pull on. …Oh well. Not much I can do about it now. Just gotta rebuild my stockpile for insurance whenever the Choose Your Legends pops out.
When I tried to get Halloween Nowi in her original banner, I got a pity broken by a Saber at 5%.
Never used him, and last month I used him to give Slaying Edge+ to Soleil.
I have some luck in Legendary Banners, so I hope to get Robin with my 80 orbs…
Ouch. That sucks.
Yeah. Me reaching 5.75% was a surprised since I’ve never experienced such bad luck and reaching such a high pity percentage. I know better now than to try and break 4% Pity since that’s nothing compared to 5.75%. (Sorry for continuing my rant, just venting since I’m still feeling salty about the game).
Anyways, Good luck with getting Robin on this banner.
Thanks for wishing me luck. I didn’t get Robin, but I got Zelgius, Nowi, Lute, Ike, Lyn and 2 Gunnthras.
I hope you get some luck in this banner too.
So…
Male Grima: armor unit with no armor coverage and made green to be rigged instead of red which would have been cannon
Female Grima: flying unit with flying coverage and a unique typing which is better endurance against falchion, legendary hero who probably power creeps
is this fair? but I do want her….
Wow, I can’t believe that I am actually saying this, but I think I may have preferred legendary King/Queen Corrin to another Grima. Don’t get me wrong, I really like her design, but I honestly feel no incentive to pull her. May dive in one session blues to see if I can net another Lucina or Lute, though. At least the colorless pool is good here?
I’m really happy over the amount of Awakening units I’ve been able to skip lately. My orbs are ready for Thracia.
Don’t need/want any of the Blue or Green units, so this will be Red and Colorless for me. Want FV!Robin and don’t have H!Sakura, also don’t have Zelgius or H!Nowi. If I get another B!Lyn or V!Ike I won’t be too upset because I’ll just merge them. They’re two of my most used anyway.. though I’m hoping for the best with getting new units.
Oh boy, we’re free-sniping the Legendary Banner again. Frickin’ Spring Banner giving me such great Pity Breakers(Elise, Leo, Grima, Karel). Ah well, I’m sure one of my Frees will be someone good.
My Legendary Hero Grima~ maybe to destroy the Meta?
Olivia’s voice feels super awkward at times. I know it’s Karen Strassman voicing both her and Anna and trying to sound unique but the higher pitches sometimes sound super strained.
Holy wow. Never before have I been shafted so hard in my entire life. $95 later and all I have to show for myself is one Halloween Sakura. I could cry.
That’s awful – I still havn’t got a Gunnthra and that still smarts – I came out of the fallen heroes a few £ poorer and not a 5* to show, so I feel for you. Green seems to hate me.
The Legendary Banner is not being all too kind to me right now. I’ve only gotten another Brave Lyn. That’s my third now, and she’s a trash nature. So I guess I’m foddering or merging with that. Depends if I can find a good recipient for Swift Sparrow.
Yeah, I see anything with that many reinforcements and I just abstain. There are two many variables for me to really alter my team construction. The fliers that spawn right next your position on either side put too much pressure on me.
And yeah, I didn’t pull anything with my orbs, so I’m a little bummed.
Sorry to hear that. What I usually do when a summoning session is really terrible the first few orbs I wait till the next day. It may just be superstition, but it’s helped save orbs and have better luck?
It’s my own fault really. I spent about 350 orbs between Morgan-F and Soleil (and got neither), and those were luxury units I probably wouldn’t ever use. I should’ve been more patient and conserved my resources.
I assume you did the lower levels anyways, but if not I breezed through the first two difficulties with Male Grima tanking the left upper chokepoint and my heavily-SI’d Selena(Slaying Edge Glacies Death Blow) taking the right side, with my even-more-heavily-SI’d Cordelia(Aether Darting Blow Vantage Breath of Life) and vanilla Elise taking the bottom reinforcements. The third level’s been difficult enough that I backed off to try again with my Main account.
Yeah, I’ve done them all except for the top one. But I’ve figured it out mostly. It’s taken me forever to figure out a unit that could actually survive or kill Robin, but my Klein can do it if I can get Glacies off, so it’s just maneuvering around the map in a way that he has the charge when he gets to her.
My month long streak of bad luck comes to an end, immediately pulled 2 Gunnthras…both for some reason felt the need to be -atk, but I DID pull something. I then pulled a F!Grima…-spd, so like with the Gunnthras, very sub optimal IVs, but it was a meaningful pull unlike the -atk pity breaker jeorge I got that killed my 5% pity rate on the bunny banner.
Alright! I’m glad to hear your luck finally turned around. I think you stole my alt account’s luck, though, I got screwed this time around with a third Brave Lyn when I didn’t even want my second one. Hopefully my main does better, I could use Female Grima to counter my alt’s Male Grima nicely.
Wow! I got really lucky in this Legendary Banner. From my 100 orbs… I got 7 units.
A Zelgius +HP -Spd; a Ike +Atk -Def; A Lyn neutral; a Nowi +Spd -Def; a Lute +Atk -Def and 2 Gunnthrás, +Spd/-Atk and +Atk/-Spd.
I didn’t get Robin yet, because I don’t have orbs. I will wait for the April quest to summon again. But I am happy with what I got!
Zelgius came in my 3rd orb, and Ike, Lute and both Gunnthrás came when none colorless orb appeared.
My Gunnthra is +Def -Atk, so I am really happy with a new one.
Seriously, I’ve been playing every day since launch and I’ve only gotten seven Sheema in total (two 5*, five 4*). I pull literally every other green unit in existence. Hopefully she’ll be available in a 4* banner soon.
I got a Gunnthrá for my efforts but I’m not planning on using her.
I’ve pulled just one actually, and I still use that one on my armor team. There are a handful of early units I’ve only seen very few off. I pulled my first Jeorge about a month ago, for instance.
At the same time, she’s my highest merged unit, and I’m pretty much sniping green each time I don’t want anything else. It just feels like bad luck at this point considering my massive Barst collection.
I have also played since launch every day and I have never gotten Reinhardt… random pulls are random.
Seems so, though this can all be explained if we’re both f2p. People who spend money on orbs are also more likely to get the units they want, of course. I’m just a bit annoyed since she’s one of my favourite units, and I still don’t have a single +10 unit.
ive been playing since launch also, never gotten a sheema and I really could use her for fodder
You see Robin’s face?
She’s laughing at us.
She’s laughing because she knows we must now delve into the depths of Colorless Hell for her.
And that we’re all going to get screwed by 5S Lucius.
Not on this banner.
I got kicked in the crotch by another Brave Lyn just now. Maybe it isn’t ruled by Lucius this time around, but it’s still good old Colorless Hell.
You do realize that legendary banners do not have 5 stars outside of the focus units right? Regardless, they are still a pain since the large number of focus units mean you are less likely to get the one you want but still…
With Accelerate does it only work with certain people who have lower speed than their clones? I gave it to Lyn and I noticed no change, if this is true could you make a list of who it works with?
I also have astra on her so could it be they simply don’t stack? or is it they cap at a certain speed?
That Fell Vessel Infernal challenge was kind of tough, I used my Brash Assault Desperation Gordin to pull it off though.
I can’t get Gunnthra, and now I can’t get Female Grima! Well, you know what?! The hell with it, I’m done with these Legendary Hero Banners! In fact, I can’t get any of those powerful heroes anymore, I don’t give a s***! I might as well save those Orbs forever! My summoning days are over! F*** you, IS, F*** YOU!
And then everyone who tried to get V!Hector cried
Legendary Banner; 250 FTP Orbs; 13,50% Rate; one 5* H!Sakura. This is why I (can) only use Reinhardt-sama and B!Lyn-chan.
I am so sorry Delthea that I didn´t Summon for you!
Lets go Red Units! Maybe Lloyds sword gets a stronger effect like Ivaldi (Blue Book), and Roy can go hunt Dragons.
Wew, refinements! Refinements everywhere! Ready to speculate, people? Most of this is pretty baseless, but here’s some guesses I have
So Binding Blade. I don’t think they’re gonna do DC, for one. I also don’t think they’re gonna turn it into a straight Falchion. I think they will keep the defensive bonuses, but bump them up to +6 to each defense. Built-in Close/Distant Def is huge to set him apart from other swords. Beyond that it’s a bit up in the air. A friend of mine actually suggested a Breath Breaker effect, which would certainly be an interesting take on the idea of dragon-slaying. He’d be by far the tankiest anti-dragon unit available if they did something like this.
Forblaze… Lilina is basically attack incarnate. I don’t know how they’ll execute it exactly, but I think pain will be dealt. They should at least set her apart from Sanaki. …Built-in Death Blow, anyone? Forblaze canonicaly grants Luck+5, but that doesn’t really translate that well into Heroes. You can make a case for Guard, but I don’t think that suits Lilina too well. The weapon also is effective against dragons and if that makes it into Heroes… Well, any dragon that isn’t blue will just melt. That does sound fun. I kinda want it.
The Regal Blade canonically is just a strong sword. They might upgrade the base effect to Ivaldi levels, but I think that’d be rather underwhelming. Still it could happen, and it’s kind of the obvious thing to do. I can also see some effect to help take advantage of his Res or to reinforce it, but he’ll have steep competition from Joshua in that regard. His base skillset also doesn’t really lend itself well to any particular strategy. Not entirely sure what to make of this.
And the Nameless Blade could really be anything. I see people say Killer + Wo Dao effect like Hauteclere, but that’s really boring. Still, since these two – especially Fir – are quite reliant on their Specials, I can see some sort of effect to improve Special Charge somehow. I was actually speculating a perhaps really gimmicky reverse-Heavy Blade. So basically Heavy Blade, but with a reversed activation condition. Neither Karel nor Fir – again especially Fir – have very high Atk, so it would probably activate a lot of the time. And then to keep up damage output, they could throw on that Wo Dao effect anyway. Or perhaps Wrath? That’d seriously be doubling-down on special charge, wouldn’t it? I think this would be a neat idea, though.
And that’s all I got for my wild, baseless speculating. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I guess Nameless Blade will be similar to Wo Dao, but I think they’re gonna give it cooldown acceleration. Wrath as a refinement probably
Regal Blade I could see getting in-built def ploy
A dragon-killing Forblaze would be really cool actually. I’d get on board with that, even though my Lilina is locked in as a Raven user right now. I agree the swords could be anything.
Lilina gets Forblaze?! YES!!!!!
It’s time for our boy Roy to shine, I’ve already pulled a few 5/4*s of varying IVs and have just been waiting for this to see which would be the most optimal to build. I’m also also really interested in the Nameless Blade and how Fir will end up in the tier list or if Karel was the intended recipient of the buff and she was just an afterthought.
Both have low attack and somewhat same speed. I’m guessing this weapon will help boost the offensive potential of both
Now watch as they totally screw this up and give Binding Blade some really garbage effect.
Right? I’m predicting though, based off of F!Grima’s Dragonskin skill giving Distant/Close Def 2 + flying immunity, that Roy will get Distant/Close Def 3, which would be dope and make him a perfect candidate for Distant Counter.
Yeah, I’ve also kept some Roys around just for the occasion. I think +SPD/-HP is going to be the one to go with, if you have it, since SPD is important and he’ll get the HP back from the refinement, but I bet anything with -HP would be viable. Dumping the other stats makes them seem a little low to me.
But anyway, I’m hoping they go all out and give him the +5 DEF/RES and Distant Counter in some form. I don’t think he’d be broken if they did, but it would give him a niche as an enemy phase sword user. The refinements have been pretty hit or miss though, so I guess we’ll see
Got Robin on the first summon o/
OK! This DLC Pack upsets me! WHY THARJA HAS A DIFFERENT STRONG ATTACK VI THAN ROBIN’S?
This means they could made different attacks to each character.
Camilla is a staple in my flier emblem team since she’s a good bow counter. Best unit in this banner. Lucina is good for fodder
Was not expecting this to come back! Been wanting Spring Chrom. This is good news for ones I wanted but missed.
I got my revenge from 6 months ago
>Defeat Ninian
>Defeat Hawkeye
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lol
Well, final match should be ninja attack vs bunny fate (unless the guaranteed amplifiers change that result)
I got a 4* L’Arachel, which is not bad.
I got a 5* Mathilda on my free summon. Weird.
Another banner come, and no Sheema focus. i cri
Maybe I’ll just continue merging my L’Arachel instead.
I guess it depends on what weapon you want to run. +Atk would do wonders with Bladetome, but that build is pretty standard. Ivaldi isn’t bad, and that +Res can help her stay closer to 100% for the bonus effects as well as bait red mages?
Yeah, currently I do have Blárblade on her, and with Eirika support she deals some crazy damage already. I think I’m gonna stick with +Res and equip her with Ivaldi again, since she likes the speed it can give. Maybe I’ll include a healer on that team to keep her topped up.
got 5* Deidre on my free summon
I have all of these, managed to get a 5* Soleil on my free summon though.
Got a Linde on my free summon. 3 blues later and I got my 4 star L’Arachel. Massive success for me.
3* Sully…don’t care, I’m not spending orbs on this banner, it’s clearly baiting you to spend and for anyone who cares for the Thracia Banner, you want to wait since it comes in just over a week (11th right?). I don’t really care for Thracia so I’m going to just save up orbs and wait until the next seasonal/new banner or if something like the counter skill banner pops up…so things are going to be dull for a while for me with this game.
I am going with Team Alfonse. He is the only character I know who can make a Axe from a spoon and a egg!
Team bunny Alfonse for now. He’s the only bunny I have, and he can probably use some help.
Well another opportunity for me to foolishly back Catria in a voting gauntlet. Almost went Alphonse for memes.
We fight together! Onward, Whitewings, do not lose hope!
Even though I’m siding with Camilla (Camilla and Xander are the only ones I have and Xander sucks), I kind of want Alphonse to win for the memes.
interesting, half the original voting gauntlet is present except all in spring attire
btw Team Alfonse cause I have him
That’s right. The Princes Vs Princess Voting Gauntlet.
Also, this is the 3rd time Lucina is participating and the 4th time both Chrom and Camilla are participating.
3* Virion, not a day for summoning then.
I lowkey want Alfonse to win this stupid thing so that people maybe learn how to spell his name.
How do they spell his name wrong?
With a ph instead of an f. I blame Fullmetal Alchemist.
Only 2 orbs?! That’s sad…
Wow, can’t believe Alfonse actually won against Xander. Looks like meme power really was effective.
He probably won’t survive the final round if he manages to defeat Kagero though. The victor is definitely either gonna be Chrom or Lucina.
Round 2: Father Vs. Daughter, and “package” Vs. “melons”… START!
Rip Camilla, time to back the meme.
sigh…Sorry Catria, I tried.
can’t win over multipliers
Hadn’t checked the app all today, but the piece of cardboard beat Catria? Sigh…
Though tbh, I’m surprised the cow lost to the ninja chick.
Seriously guys. Just wait a few days. Don’t spend anything on this banner yet. The Thracia banner could possibly also have great fodder if you’re looking for it
I don’t care for Thracia so I going to go for one of the 3 units here.
I was speaking in the context of Thracia units also being fodder. It would be rash not to see everything that’s being offered and picking the first thing you see
That is true, though I’m going to guess that’s not going to apply to Leif with him most likely being given an exclusive skill like with Sigurd or Zelgius and the other skills being already existing. I’m also guessing that Finn will be kind of like Sothe, both that he’ll be the 4* demotion and also come with a skill that currently does not exist on a 4* obtainable. This leaves Nanna who might come with something like Spd Tactic or a new skill type, or she could be like Micaiah or Ayra and come with an exclusive skill of her own.
Nice Path of Radiance banner~ Got Eldigan as free summon.
Maybe new chapters of Book II will come?
thanks. good job
Those full body portraits are pretty amazing!
Man I really wish they would release this locally. I would so buy it.
the official artwork of rudolf is nice! I like how the game represent their face from the official artwork in their stats screen compared to their portrait (and I’ve no problem with it)
The Valentian Timeline is really interesting…
Thank you so much for the translations! It is so nice to have them!
Signed Ishtar is abominably expensive, I wish luck to anyone trying to get her with their boxes because her price is unreal.
Also Cipher Set 14 being devoted entirely to the Cipher Mascots please?!
Maybe S14 has something to do with the new game for the Switch? So that you could have returning characters from other games like Marth and Ike as playable characters? Also Priam fits so well in this set, with Path of Radiant Dawn as descendant of Ike and in Awakening his first appearance. And Jugdral in the same story universe (connection to Naga), this is really a nice deluge of fanservice~
This is actually Priam’s second appearance in Cipher – he’s the lone Blue card in…S3, I believe?
S14 is likely for FE16 the fact that its still this tight lipped makes it more apparent to me.
substitutes character got recognition? =0
OMG! THERE ARE COLORED BOWS NOW!
Colored Bows? What?
He’s right. Look at skills like Lunge that Bows cannot inherit. There are colored Bows!
Not yet, they’re planning on adding them in the future and are putting the icons in now to prepare, similar to Colorless Breath.
Kind of disappointed that they just reskined Reinhardt and Olwen instead of adding in 2 new characters from Tharcia like Asvel/Mareeta/Linoan/etc. Also the new game mode seems pretty boring, especially since it’s literally just rival domains which was already a lackluster mode.
But the rest of the update was good; Camus finally getting a rerun, new weapon refinements, and best of all a rework of the rarity pool.
There has never been any instances of five new characters being simultaneously revealed as far as I can recall, and both Reinhardt and Olwen were admittedly good choices as they were the earliest Thracia units with great popularity to boot.
Though I do admit I’m slightly disappointed that they don’t actually look that much different from their regular counterparts in terms of art. I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from each other if I just took a cursory glance.
IIRC, wasn’t the original *Sibling Bonds* banner (featuring Eldigan, Sanaki, Olwen, Reinhardt, Klein and Lachesis) and the *Blazing Shadows* banner (featuring Karel, Ninian, Rebecca, Jaffar, Priscilla and Lucius) both count.
https://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Summoning_Focus_archive
My memory has failed me after all since you’re actually right, though it’s worth noting that both banners came very early in the game’s lifespan back when the roster was around half of its current size and IS kept pumping out new heroes every other week. To rephrase my previous statement, no such occurences have occurred lately
inb4 someone proves me wrong again
They did a lot of QOL things here: TT are shorter and easier to score in, summon pool is a lot better, more HM, new game mode that looks fun, some pretty cool refines. People have been asking for a lot of this for a while. Just because they didn’t announce Hero Fest doesn’t mean it won’t happen on Golden Week. With my favorite Thracia character, Finn, free, I’ll just keep saving for now.
Rein just got buffed so hard though. Old Rein is now a 3 star, meaning merges are even easier to obtain. And give his new form DC, keep Vantage, and some attack buffs, and his only check will be ORKO’s or Hardy Bearing. That is disgusting, he doesn’t even need a Brave form now.
Bet Nanna gets demoted and gives Drive Def at 4 star. Yeah, she’s good, but the other three are just better.
Dissapointed that Rein and Olwen are int his banner, but oh well.
Leif is quite monstrous with his Light Brand, base 38+4 spd, 33+4 defense and S Drink. While we didn’t get Blaggi Sword, Light Brand would be very good against tanky units, especially armor units like Zelgius. Now some might think S Drink should be replaced with another skill, but don’t. You get a free QP effect. That means you can run double QP. Heck, you could make a Wo Dao build with that.
Nanna is definetely the most underwhelming one sadly. Though I’ll still try get her.
Olwen is much better than her previous version
Reinhardt is good, but I want Leif, not him
I might be able to reach 540 orbs when the story maps are completed.
This will be an interesting thing.
Leif is nonsensically pronounced as “leaf”, but is still spelt “Leif”.
i try pronoucing both, but they sound exactly the same
The actual Nordic name rhymes with safe.
Kind of reminds me of the really early days of the fandom pre-Awakening when there were frequent arguments on how the Jugdral character names should be translated. I personally actually prefer the sound of “leaf” even if it’s not wholly accurate, since I’ve known him for most of my life as Leaf from fan translations and such.
If this kind of darkhorse victory had occurred a year ago when the failings of the scoring system wasn’t as well known yet, I’m positively sure the fandom would’ve erupted.
Though I supported Lucina in the end, I’m actually relieved that Kagero won since it’s a refreshing change of pace for once. I would’ve still preferred meme man to win though.
Wait, Lucina was the favored winner? I could have sworn that most people would have been voting for Kagero, what with her sizable…assets.
Lucina wasn’t necessarily favoured per se, as her popularity has actually grown to the point of backlash in recent years, but most people saw Kagero’s defeat as an inevitability since a regular and not particularly popular character was going up against one of the most popular characters in the franchise.
Even though the points multiplier can skew victory either way unpredictably, previous VG victors have almost always been the most popular character of the lot with the only previous instance of a darkhorse victory being Shanna during Short Haired Ladies vs Long Haired Gents, who miraculously defeated Takumi.
Nanna is very similar to Priscilla (Nanna has less Atk and Res, but better Spd and Def), but the “Delicate Princess” is a 3*-4* unit now, so Priscilla is easier to make +10 merge, in both 4* and 5* rarities.
All of the new refines are great. Fir can even be a menace in arena with the right set-up believe it or not
I am summoning this banner for 2 reasons
1st more grimleal is a good thing
2nd don’t care about Thracia
But Reinhardt
Ouch, 90 orbs and no Grima. I didn’t want anyone on Thracia, and he has some awesome SI material if I pull a bad one. Guess I’ll wait a few more days and try my luck again
ive had to keep exiting summons cause I’m not getting green
I hope to one day have a +10 grima
Good luck! I’ve been considering it, and I think 90 orbs is as far as I’ll go for fodder. Gotta save for Hero Fest! Sorry this banner has such a short time window, but maybe you’ll get a few in that time!
Camus – Dejá vu? Zeke confirmed! I hope, I can finally summon my first Jeorge since launch of the game.
Next CYL3 I will vote for Micaiah again and Reinhardt just to prepare for Reinhardt-Emblem <3
Looks like a really good update for me~
FINALLY?! FINALLY!
AT LONG LAST CALILL ACTUALLY GETS A CIPHER CARD YEEEEEEEEEEE
I think I’m the most satisfied with the changes to the summoning pool and the Tempest Trials. I have been wanting changes like this for ages and I’m so happy that they are finally here!
Welp, that’s not DC, but since I’ve got a Hector to sack I guess Quick Riposte+ is an acceptable effect. Nice job not screwing up with the Binding Blade, Heroes.
Bowbreaker has stated Colorless Bows for quite a while now, if not from the start of the game, and I’ve been curious as to when colored Bows was going to happen. I don’t recall if Daggerbreaker makes the same distinction, though, and we don’t have a Staffbreaker yet so obviously that’s not specific.
In your opinion, which is better for Roy to have, +Spd or +Atk? Obviously both are great boons, but I was thinking +Atk because of QR. One build I was thinking of is sticking Warding Breath on him and Close Def SS to give him 42Res on Enemy phase and make him the ultimate Dragon Slayer.
I’ve actually been wondering this for a while, since I have a +ATK -DEF and a +SPD -RES and am unsure which to make my ultimate +10 Roy assuming I don’t pull a better one. My current Roy is the +ATK -DEF one, mostly because I’m running a mixed-Phase build using Darting Blow and Delthea S-Support + Dark Aura buffs for Player Phase stuff (since I was waiting for the BB upgrade to see if I needed to use my Hector for DC or not), and Binding Blade and Vantage for Enemy Phase stuff. I guess it depends on what you’re making him do – that Enemy Phase Dragonkiller Build you’ve got sounds like it would like +SPD since it should mostly be fighting Dragons, meaning you don’t need the extra ATK against anyone not named Nowi, and in that case you’re probably screwed anyways because chances are she’s running TA. On the other hand, as you mentioned it’s more an Enemy Phase Build, meaning +SPD will only come in handy if you’re attacked below 50%, in which case you’re probably a goner and it won’t matter what your Boon is. Probably go +ATK, I’d recommend asking the Forums just in case.
As an aside, I checked and Daggerbreaker does specify Colorless, though I’m not sure how long it’s said that for. Yay?
+spd prevents lethal doubles and gives more inconclusive battles that would’ve been losses with +atk according to the mass combat simulator
Unbelievable, Surtr killed Gunnthra in the story mode! Which means…which means…Gunnthra will never be a free unit after all… Oh, screw you, I.S., SCREW YOU TO HELL!!! …This is the last time I’m ever gonna try to summon another Legendary Hero again!
I was also hopeful as my green summoning luck is almost as good as Arthurs – in a year of summoning I have only summoned the green I wanted 3 times, all with dodgy ivs. The last one I summoned on the bunny banner was Merric.
You really need to stop throwing temper tantrums whenever something doesn’t go your way. You act as if IS was entitled to give her out to players; wasn’t it enough that Fjorm and V!Ike were free for everyone? That’s already two welfare LHs.
If you don’t acknowledge people, they go away… Just delete your comment. We’re better off
I’ve waited desperately to get Gunnthra as a free unit, but stupid Intelligent Systems is like “Nah, let’s kill her off”. What they just did was a big insult to the players who don’t have Gunnthra such as myself! They made a dick move to kill her off, a DICK MOVE, I tell you! I hate them more than ever now!
You mean you made an assumption that she would be a free unit. They would’ve made her free when she first got out. IS isn’t stupid in this situation. You’re just angry because your expectations weren’t met and are making a huge fuss over such a small thing
Yes they are stupid, they’re stupid enough to kill off a character that I never summoned! Now you’re just saying that to make me feel bad? How selfish of you, you ungrateful troll. And I hate it when you and your fellow selfish trolls summoned Gunnthra before I did, very selfish of you! For shame, troll, for shame!
I don’t get this reaction, for starters Gunnthra isn’t even that good, she’s no Ayra. Secondly, if you actually wanted Gunnthra, you would have pulled for her. Finally, if you really want Gunnthra, she’ll show up again if a future Legendary banner, so now that you know she’s not free, you can try and pull for her. It’s a gatcha game, the developers care more about your money than they do you, be grateful for the free handouts they’ve given so far, it’s far better than other gatcha games on the market.
I was trying to pull for Gunnthra, but these selfish bastards kept trolling me with the weak 3-Star Heroes and pity breakers of the Heroes that I already summoned, the same way you and your fellow noobs kept trolling me when you have all summoned her and I didn’t! Well, you know what?! Fuck it! (Yes, I said “fuck”, I don’t need to censor that profanity anymore, especially when these developers went too far killing her off!) These Legendary Hero Banners are not worth it! They just won’t let me summon Gunnthra, period! And joke’s on you, I don’t have any money to give to these selfish bastards!
Fuck the developers, FUCK this Summoning mechanism, and FUCK…THIS…GATCHA GAME!!
Everyone gets screwed by the rng, I spent over 200 orbs for one of the bunny characters only to get screwed by a -atk Jeorge pity break, I didn’t even get graced by a pity break for the Branded King banner. I wanted S!Corrin in the last Legendary Banner, but got screwed by a -atk Shiro. Hell, I wanted S!Elise in the most recent Legendary Banner and got 2 -atk Gunnthras instead. I repeat, everyone gets screwed by the rng in this game, make the most of what you get.
If you have an issue with it, take it up with IS in the feedback section (civil language is recommended).
Yeah. It is normal, not getting the unit you want. I tried to get Celica since her original banner, and I finally got her in the Fallen Units Voting Gauntlet. If we want some unit, we need to search for him/her. We need to try and try again.
Lol I think he joking.
You are the joke, faggot.
Are you planning to stop playing FEH?
I love you
Piss off, faggot, you’re not my type.
I can be anything you want me to be bb
That wasn’t a compliment. You’re just fucking with me, aren’t you, gay troll?
I agree with you, Kneekicker.
O.H. X-1990, I think more than 50% of your comments about FEH are agressives. You need to understand that we will never have all we want. There is no need to get angry about a game.
If you want something, you need to search for it and not wait for someone gives it freely in yours hands. If you want Gunnthrá and are saying you will never summon in a Legendary Banner again, you will not have her. Of course, there are possibilities about Gunnthrá become a free unit someday, or she appearing in a different banner like a Legendary Heroes Voting Gauntlet (which I hope it to happen once we have 8 Legendary Heroes).
This is why you don’t just assume you’re gonna get stuff for free like this, especially when there’s no real precedence for it. You’re just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Wow, well I didn’t expect her to die, especially since I haven’t played the new chapter yet…
Took me about 218 orbs, but I got everyone that I wanted plus a neutral Swordhardt
I hope all players who wanted a free Gunnthrá have a Aum Staff, because you will need it!
Also, It’s a nice thing the GHB Elite Quest 2 are using Blessed Units and in Lunatic and not Infernal. I forgot how difficult Legion’s GHB was! I dont’ know if I will be able to win on Infernal mode.
Speaking about the banner: using 60 orbs, I got a Leif and a Owain, but both -Atk. I am planning to use some orbs to expand the barracks to have more units. I can have 350 units, so I will expend it to 400.
I am also thinking to give the Spring banner another chance…
I wish this “Aum Staff” was real, because I.S. made a dick move to kill Gunnthra off!
Spoilers…
I never even beat Legion’s Infernal before, but this time breezed through it with my water blessing team on the first try. Only shows how long ago that was.
After just about the absolute worst luck possible in the Fell female Robin banner.. I got Leif as my free summon, whattt!!! This is a great day.
Well, seems I’m back to not being able to get any of the focus units with me getting a Grey after a few summons…would’ve preferred a Swordhardt, but oh well, I wasn’t that interested in this banner to begin with, so I’ll just call it quits and save up for the next.
First summoning session, got a Reinhardt. Sweet.
Shame he’s -ATK and +RES.
Could be worst: He could be -Atk +Spd.
Got a +Spd and -Def. It hurts.
In this chapter, you see a lot of…red. On the plus side I got Leif.
After 100 Orbs I got Nanna and a Cavalier with a Sword~ It is Chrom. I will miss you my pity breaker Sheena, you are already 5*+4 only from my summons so can´t wait to build a +10 when I get some good IV from you~
With her now being 3*, I hope I’ll be lucky enough to get some more copies of her. She is my most used unit and the only one I’ve given summoner support to, but she’s still only at +6. Really disappointing.
If your horsie Chrom is +Spd I can only say I’m enjoying mine so much I’m considering rebuilding my whole horsie team.
Neutral IV´s and yes, he looks good with Reinhardt, Lyn and Lilina~
I am think what type of Lance I will give to Finn… I am between Slaying Lance and Casa Blanca. In both cases, the Spd Refinement will be the choice.
Finn can be compared to Clive, another TT Reward who is a Lance user too. Finn has less HP and RES, but have more ATK and way more SPD. The DEF is the same for both units.
Honestly, I was planning on going for Olwen but I got about four green orbs in total, so it wasn’t gonna happen. Ended up with a neutral Leaf and a Rein I didn’t want.
Here’s my take on the story.
They really screwed the pooch with this chapter, I didn’t really care from the perspective of not getting her as a F2P unit. Don’t get me wrong I’d have loved for her to be so, but I was prepared for the worse. Killing off Gunnthra came across as a desperate act, for what reason? Who knows, maybe they needed a reason for her not to become a free unit as it would only be logical for her to join your forces if she stayed alive (this seems to be the most likely scenario).
Or maybe they just wanted to try and have an emotional moment where they kill off an important character…the problem though is that we, the audience, have no emotional connection to Gunnthra’s character as her role and development in the story thus far has been little to none and so there is no reason for us to feel sad. It’s like when they killed off a certain someone midway through Revelations. We’re not sad, we’re just confused and pissed off that you thought such a cheap shot would work on us.
I want them to commit to this bad choice of theirs, I know a lot of people are salty about what happened and will likely bitch to IS for a change…I don’t want this, Salvage what you can IS and make a better story.
You should probably be more careful in case someone somehow hasn’t gotten that far and doesn’t want spoilers.
Anyways, I saw the event in question and my first thought was ‘welp, they’re gonna kill off one of the Muspell girls now to be the reason the other one joins you or some crap like that. My money says their older one dies too.’ so now my cynicism needs looking at because I’d like to not be a big old raincloud.
I’m also mostly trying to figure out what Gunnthra even accomplishes in the story, considering Fjorm, you know…actually DID something and is experiencing real character growth since she’s going to need to learn to not let her anger get the better of her the next time the group fights Surtr, seeing as how she let the prisoner escape due to her loss of focus. Gunnthra, meanwhile…told you about Sacred Seal Forging? I think that one was her and not the Weapon Refinery, but I might have them switched around, but the point is that she doesn’t do anything worth squat, not even now since we don’t know the get-out-of-Muspellflame-free card she gave us will actually work. Actually, wait, scratch that, the get-out-of-Muspellflame-free card she DIDN’T give us, all she gave us after the wild goose chase through enemy lines and capturing the enemy general and all that stuff was something that supposedly will lead us on another chase to find the ACTUAL get-out-of-Muspellflame-free card so that hopefully Surtr doesn’t just beat us to that too, as opposed to, you know, just having Gunnthra meet us at the actual place we need to be.
Also whoever they killed off mid-Rev was lost on me, I literally can’t remember that at all. I was more bugged by the whole person-who-was-obviously-possessed-but-Corrin-trusts-anyways-because-I-have-no-idea-but-the-red-door-is-a-lie thing.
With Gunnthrá dead, now we can have her Alt. Fallen version as a Legendary Hero! Yay!
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…Ok, I’m no longer opposed to the direction the Story has taken.
In Conquest, I was confused that why a certain person leave the killed ally in the stairs instead of give this ally a proper funeral.
Wow. So many normal banners. Kinda suspecting an alt one or a banner featuring characters from different games (kinda like farfetched, sibling bonds)
I liked your ideas for the next events.
I think is kinda confirmed to have a Alt. unit in each banner now. This is happening since the Radiant Dawn banner.
The first think that came in my mind about the “Heroes with Combat Boosts” was skills like Earth or Fire Boost. So, we could have Amelia (Earth), Luke (Fire) and Grey (Wind).
I agree with you about the Countering Weapon Skills banner being the weapons breaker skills. The only problem with this banner is we can get all breaker skills from 4-stars units.
I don’t think that great the TT reward this time. Drive Atk is the best one, of course.
I don’t know who can be the next Legendary Hero. It is too hard to guess. But, yeah… can be a colored archer.
The next GHB will be Saias, of course. The next one will be a unit related to the next main banner. I would like the main banner be a 2nd gen Genealogy.
Other interesting thing is about the “Three Heroes Quest”. With the last update, we have really good 3-star units now. I hope Marth or Roy can be one of them, for my merges.
Finally, about the Special Orbs Promos… I hope they can have 5-stars units too, like the Black Knight some months ago. This is the only way I can see some Tempest Trial reward to return, because with the Tempest Trial+ I believe we will not have a TT Mini again.
I meant alt one as in like fallen heroes
I think that they’ll add the TT reward characters into the summoning pool at some point along with the GHB ones
I don’t know if the GHB units will be added to the summoning pool, at least not this year. All 2017’s GHB as in the special maps rotation right now. Only the 2018’s GHB will have revivals now. Maybe next year the 2017’s GHB will be added to the pool, while the 2018’s GHB will be added to the weekly rotation.
I just want female Robin added to the summoning pool. She needs merging and variation, bad, lol. I have plans to pimp out my version but there’s only so good I can make her.
I would like to have Ursula in the pool. She is the only way to get the Blárwolf tome. We can get Rauðrwolf from Raigh, and we don’t have Gronnwolf in the pool, but we can get Keen Gronnwolf from Rhajat.
The pattern for legendary heroes so far has had a unit released in order to match the main story chapters, and their respective cover character, released:
Chapter 1 had Surtr (OC): Fjorm
Chapter 2 had Fjorm (OC): Gunnthra
Chapter 3 had Micaiah: Ike
Chapter 4 had Eirika: Ephraim
Chapter 5 had Grima: Grimum
Because of this the next legendary hero will correspond with Chapter 6 or The Branded King banner. As this banner primarily focused on the child units (Both Morgans and Gerome as a TT reward) odds are we’ll get a child unit. The only units that canonically would fit under the green category are: Gerome (Axe, Used too recently) and Noire (Bow, great introduction to Colored Bows).
Therefore the next legendary hero will be Noire with a Green Bow.
i wish it were true….
I don’t see a unit who is not in the game as a Legendary Hero, only with he/she will be a OC.
I can see Noire as a special unit, but not a Legendary one. She is not that special to receive such treatment…
I believe Legendary Heroes are units important for their games. For exemple: I can see Marth or Caeda being a LH, but not Abel or Gordin. I can see Corrin, Azura or any other Hoshido/Nohr royal member being a LH, but not units like Felicia or Jakob.
Also, if we go with your logic, we will have 2 LH from Awakening, one after the other. This is not a good thing.
Holy shit. More than one new heroes banner on an event schedule? It’s been a while.
GC seems more like Romance of the Three Kingdoms than Fire Emblem, though that’s not a bad thing since it’s a pretty fun mode. I’m not certain on the most efficient way to spend stamina though, so hopefully someone comes along to clear it up.
So far, I’ve been focussing efforts on contested areas where my team seems to have a good chance of taking/holding the space without being so one-sided to the point where it’s redundant (we’re gonna win this one anyway) or pointless (We’re being hopelessly overwhelmed, or the deficit is so great that the necessary investment isn’t worth it.).
Basically, take Ephraim’s advice, don’t fight battles you know you can’t win. As for the multiplier, I don’t think there’s any efficiency involved in it, it just speeds up contributing to a space. Best done when you’re convinced you can score well in the area where you wanna help out, or maybe if you wanna try for a last-minute turnaround in a round, hopefully leaving the opposing side no time to counteract your contribution.
First: I am surprised how good I went in the Berkut’s GHB quests. I managed to complete all 5 quest and win Infernal Mode, thanks to my units and my knowledge in the game, which is getting better with more I play.
Now, about this new mode “Grand Conquest”… this is not that fun! I am only playing it for the orbs. I have more fun with the Tap Battle!
Wait, I didn’t get to choose which team should I join! I’m already at Alfonse’s team, randomly, which is not what I wanted! Why didn’t this game let me choose?!
If people could choose, then Sharena would have the most people, followed by some with Anna, and then few with Alfonse. They are likely evenly distributing us to make it fair. It makes sense, it’s not like the team leader even matters here.
Surprisingly, I’m rather enjoying this, even though I’m usually not fond of Rival Domains (and terrible at it XD).
But I just took a look at the rounds and 22 I feel is going to end up much, much too long.
Are there many different concurrent Outrealm battlefields? The number of “troops” seems much too low for the whole playerbase to be in this together. The number next to the Outrealm seems to suggest that too (103).
On my field currently Alfonse’s army is doing really well, 18 areas controlled.
Yes, I believe this was specified in either the update or the video. I’m in 468 for example, with Sharena having 17 areas.
Yeah, my Sharena is on the verge of elimination, and with her, me). It’s pretty fun, even if I can’t for the life of me figure out any consistent strategy. I can sometimes claim the camps, but I haven’t touched the fortress once yet
It is pretty fun. I’m not sure about strategies with this, but I’m able to take the fortresses relatively consistently on infernal. It usually boils down to, like everything else in this game for me, slowly pushing up Sheema while I let L’Arachel and Tana, and in this case also Ninian, take care of any reds that might hurt her. It’s almost too simple, but as long as it works I don’t care lol.
I found that the HQs can’t be attacked so it swings around one way and a few hours later another, no team gets taken out of the game completely.
Same for me btw, I think since we started I’ve attacked a fortress once, but never claimed one. Punishment for prefering player phase units and builds I guess XD
My Outrealm is 1156. It’s clear that there’s many of these different “rooms”, and there’s really only a small number of players in each of them. Dunno how many, exactly, though. While it makes the battles smaller scale, it does also make each player’s contributions feel more significant, which – in contrast – is absolutely not the case with the Voting Gauntlet, where the individual’s efforts feel almost meaningless to the overall goal. Currently, in my battle, I’m on team Anna, and our team was getting destroyed for a while, but now it’s Alfonse that’s getting demolished and Sharena is rocking with a whopping 16 spaces.
Yeah, I like the small groups, although it’s also very noticeable when people are asleep XD I wonder how they sort users into these groups?
I’m on team Alfonse, like I said we were doing really well, but now we’re doing really poorly. I think it’ll probably swing around a few times and whoever’s currently doing well at the end will get more rewards *shrugs* oh well, it’s fun.
And the tier awards aren’t too bad, not great but I’ll take free orbs any day.
I know everything except one. What’s 4 right?
The hierarchy is important. Also, it’s from a recent game.
does it have to something with archetypes and supports?
Supports, perhaps. Although, I just realise the image might be too hard. I’ve changed it so it has two letters in each box like the Japanese version.
AAA. Now I get it. Thanks
That’s a very cool thing of you to do, thanks^^
I’m 99% sure I know what the solution at the end of it all is. 7 and 4 are just confusing as to what they are trying to convey, though I used process of elimination to figure out 7…4 is still a no go. Everything else was very easy to figure out.
Oops, I accidentally made 4 too hard. I’ve fixed it now : )
Beautiful~ If the solution has something to do with future announcements? Either
way was it fun to puzzle and searching through this Forest of
Information while listening to the music, which given from the link for the 7
Across hint~
Thank you very much!
Oh yeah, I made up the English solution. It was impossible to use the original one. I don’t think the original solution was a hint, but just a fun reference.
I appreciate your efforts and praise you with headpats and good RNG in all Fire Emblem games!
Out of curiosity, what was the original solution?
I think it’s Aqua no Ura or “Azura’s Fortune”. It may not correct, but it makes the most sense to me. Or perhaps it’s Aqua no Rau (but I can’t think of what this could be).
1. Lukas
2. Askr
3. Owain
4. Subaki
5. Killing Edge
6. Lyn
7. Cavalier
8. Thracian Peninsula
9. Shinon
10. Lance
11R. Alfonse
11D. Astram
12. Ashera
13. Noah
14. hand
15. Ephraim
16. Caineghis
Yay, I guessed right!
In my opinion…Junior Jumble is EASILY the hardest.
I’m going to be honest, I copied this on to a Word document to do the puzzle, and right when I discovered what the hidden word was, I immediately crumpled the paper and tossed it out. 😀
Ended up not completing the puzzle in the end.
Ahaha. Maybe I should have made “Sakura” the hidden word as I originally planned.
I never pay attention about any Cipher thing, but… why Corrin?
Can this means something for Heroes? I mean… Legendary Hero Corrin?
Sorry, I should have made it clear. I made up the secret word for the English crossword. I think the Japanese one is just a fun reference, not a hint of anything.
Such cool art for Lucina! S14 is so close yet a little far can’t wait for it!
Lucina sweetie i’m so sorry they broke your spine like that
damb flying Lucina’s taking our jobs and seducing our women……..
That’s…an interesting face you got there, Lucy…what’d you do with your haiOH MY GOSH YOUR SPINE!!!
she looks…strange
That Falchion looks huge compared to her body.
They managed to make a notoriously difficult map pretty easy
Saias looks to be a good unit. He is very similar to Arvis, but having the Spd Ploy instead of Def Ploy, which is better for him. But Arvis has a exclusive B-Skill, the Recovery Ring, which makes him very unique.
36 HP, 33 ATK, 30 SPD, 18 DEF, 34 RES are good stats. The problem is the blue tome competition.
Now, about Camus (Camoo) GHB, I forgot how easy it was!
Same. I got him with relative ease on infernal
Lol this may be the easiest GHB I have ever done
beat each difficulty in one try
Also pls celebrate with me I am now the smallest fish in the ocean (reached tier 20 finally)
The only thing I struggled with for 2 tries was getting Nino’s res high enough to tank the Glacies. Ike did pretty much everything else with Brave Lucina support. I’m not sure if I’m a fan of the fact that a special charge is the true difficulty here, but at least the tight spaces could trap some players. And 4,000 free feathers is never a bad thing.
This GHB wasn’t that difficult, perfect for a 5* F!Takumi if you’ve got one. It’s kind of a shame that GHB lately have been giving us mediocre units, as Saias joins the rank of underwhelming GHB rewards like the previous 3 (Oliver, Lyon, F!Takumi). He makes for a solid debuffer unit, however he lacks the offensive capabilities of other better mages; but unlike Arvis, he doesn’t have that Recover Ring to give him another niche that he can excel at.
Got an Olwen on my free summon. She was my first 5* on my previous account when I played the game for a day early Summer. She was supposedly the best bladetome mage for a while up until powercreep reared it’s ugly fangs so I guess that’s a plus
I would like to have a Blue Olwen, but I don’t plan to spend orbs on this banner. I want to wait until the next main banner or Legendary Banner. At least I have a Green Olwen, but she is -Atk.
ouch. wish you luck on your future endeavors
Thanks! Now I know I will have luck!
Last time someone wished me luck was on the F!Grima’s Legendary Banner and I manage to get 8 5* Heroes. Now I am confident. I wish you luck in your summonings too.
will we finally get vantage seal?
with my luck, we’ll get desperation or a tactic seal at 40,000
The Sacred Seals for this Tempest Trial+ are:
– Seal Spd;
– Fortress Def; and
– Drive Atk.
the score system for TT was renewed to fit that of the mini one according to the Feh channel
Vantage, DC, or CC would all be fine by me, but no dice this time around. Maybe they’re waiting for a CYL2 TT where they drop Epic Seals in addition to the probably-broken CYL Units themselves?
DC and CC will probably never get seals since they are what whales constantly spend hard cash on. IS would be losing potential profit with them released as seals. As for why Heavy Blade is a seal, I think that IS realized it just wasn’t that useful in the A-slot
I aggre with you. Close and Distance Counters will never be a Sacred Seal, as well as Vengeful and Bold FIghters.
Glad they got rid of the whole 20%/40% bonus difference…as for the last 2 trials, I got screwed with the rng so didn’t have the 40% focus and I didn’t get any of the focus units with this banner so I would’ve been stuck grinding things out with a 20% bonus. Drive Atk will be nice, though I’m waiting for IS to cave and give us the next meta breaking seal like they did with QR.
I hope they finally add speed ploy next month. I want to build a speedy blarserpent L’arachel, but I wanna run a double spur as her C slot skill. I came up with a good mixed phase build that works wonders. I just love mixed phase units. You can always depend on them
A really breaking seal would be a Breath Skill.
I would like a Chill Seal, Desperation Seal or a Vantage Seal.
Great art though it’s kinda funny seeing Lyn smiling while those guys in the back are either in agony or dead.
Dorcas with his wife!
Couple things here:
First, you typo’d, Kirie – you say Set 11’s release a couple weeks back, not 12.
Second, I thought Horace was remake-only, is he in Mystery of the Emblem? If not, he would be the second and Norne would be the third.
Third, I’m calling that second Marth art as the X card in the set, since it looks like a Key Art similar to Lehran’s Medallion from the last one.
Fourth, YES ANOTHER CHANCE FOR MORE GORGEOUS WHITEWING CARDS COME TO ME MY LOVELIES ahem I mean uh look at the time gotta go!
I am sure B!Lyn is for the Heroes part, now we need Reinhardt within this set with Veronica then you have everything to know about Heroes. :p
Jokes aside, I hope they make those Duo-Cards again but with Nino and Jaffar or any other Black Fang member like last time.
My Stamina Potions are ready, and my Reinhardt+9 with Nanna.
Out of the GC, I’ve gotten about 8100 feathers from area rewards, I think. Which, in context, is not that great. My team took third, third and second respectively, at 3, 5 and 9 areas held by the end. That’s a bit saddening… Still, I like the mode and I sure as hell prefer it over Voting Gauntlet, but it’s clear the mode needs a lot of work to really be good. But that’s why I’ve sent a couple feedback forms IS’s way, hope it helps.
Seriously guys, if you have issues with the mode and want it to get better, please send that feedback. (In the app, go to the Misc. tab > FAQ/Etc. > Customer Support > Feedback and select “Modes within Battle Menu” as the topic, then write out whatever you have to say.)
My first round was with Anna and held 2 Areas at the end (the Base and 1 other field) while Alfonse destroyed us with something 20+ areas, so I was disappointed. Second round I got on Sharenas team and oh boy this was very similar like last round, but now I know how to use this multiplier, so I waited with the time going down like 10 minutes left for this hour then started a battle on Hard with 8x bonus, got my S-rank on every task and got 7360 points and followed up with another battle with the same settings (8x bonus). So we could win at least one Area for this round as long it was under 10000 points because they tried of course to defend this. But for me it was like a Wings of Mercy Reinhardt was back stabbing THE ENEMY! At the same time my GC-Rank risen up to 20 in no time.
I went from Alfonse to Sharena to Anna. Alfonse and Anna actually did pretty fantastic and netted me some nice rewards with the total areas they held, but Sharena just kept getting wrecked in the 2nd battle.
Gotta love all those refreshed Brave Lyns flying around the whole map murdering anyone who even thought about going near a red base. Though it was pretty unfair on the highest difficulty, GC is actually my 2nd favourite mode in all of Heroes due to how fun it was. If its rewards were as nice as TT’s, it’d be the unquestionable winner.
It’s a solid game mode, with some adjustments on how teams are determined to make it a more even matchup, it’d be perfect. Alternatively, they could instead opt for a comeback factor for the loosing teams, and unlike voting gauntlet, it wouldn’t be as broken so long as they don’t go overboard with the losing bonus.
Additionally, they should add more tiers or reset the tiers each round since by the end of round 1 I was tier 18 and I wasn’t even going in hard. The reward tiers could be a bit like TT with some kind of super special reward in there, not necessarily a free unit, but something more substantial than the usual handouts.
Cool! 16 new quests. I completed them in less than 30 minutes.
Ok, for some random reason, I decided to summon in the Thracia banner again… and for my surprise I got a +Atk -Def Nanna… I am thinking to use her now.
The games with Ike is what I used to say, yes it was confusing in the beginning but now we understand either way because of so many information from all these games.
Also: Happy Birthday FE1, FE9, FE15 and Lucina!
I still like to use the numbers, especially for long titles like NMotE, since even the acronym is hard to type out… and also for 6 and 7, since the names are so similar to each other, I always get the two mixed up. I know I shouldn’t, but since I’m so used to FE7 just being Fire Emblem, and FE6 was never released over here… they just confuse me
Most people I know just truncate the names: New Mystery of the Emblem becomes New Mystery, Genealogy of the Holy War becomes Genealogy, etc.
Still takes longer to type out and doesn’t solve my problem with FE6 and 7. Plus there’s the issue of it Echoes becomes a thing in the future, although I guess you can use SoV instead.
Either way, I’m still happier with the number system overall, but I will also refer to games by their names interchangably (with the exception of FE6 and 7, which I will get wrong. Darn them for not including a subtitle in the Western release xD )
The only game I call by number rather than name is FE1, simply because that’s the only way I can mentally tell the difference between it and Shadow Dragon.
You mean Dark Dragon and the Sword of Light doesn’t roll off the tongue for you? 😛
My brain works rather bizarrely: it considers dark and shadow to be so synonymous to the point of being identical when they’re used as adjectives, and simply calling the game Sword/Blade of Light just draws unneeded similarities to the names of the Elibe games, plus hardly anyone I know actually refers to the game that way.
I can tell the difference when someone else is referring to it, but when I try to type the name I need to momentarily freeze so my mind can process it. I don’t think I’d have this issue if Shadow Dragon’s name wasn’t as simplistic at it is without any monikers like New to help me differentiate it from the original.
Except “shadow” isn’t being used as an adjective. It’s like, “dragon of shadow”.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adjective
Shadow is modifying Dragon, so yes, it is an adjective. “Of dragon” is an adjectival prepositional phrase.
@kneekicker:disqus I personally don’t find myself talking about it a lot, but it is a really unweildy name, so I can’t say I blame people for ever using 1.
Oh, jeez, I remember how intense some of those debates over whether Shadow Dragon was 11 or something like 1.2 got. They were a bit ridiculous.
As for numbers themselves, I tend to find myself switching somewhere around 10 from numbers to abbreviations. Not even super sure why.
F!Robin is great for this TT. There are 3 cavalry units in the final stage. Plus color advantage against Reinhardt. He deals about 20 damage to her with 2 hits so she should be able to tank him
I am planning to use my Horse Emblem Team on this TT+, which are Legendary Ephraim, Brave Roy, Green Olwen and Nanna. The last one I summoned yesterday.
I am surprised they used a old Tempest Trial Map in this one.
Me too. The funny thing is that technically the maps are out of order. The final map occurs during FE4 Ch8, but the second to last is the final chapter. Ah well, the Tempest Trials are supposed to throw the universe out of order and all that fun stuff.
Already upgraded my S-Seal Fortress Def and put it on Sheena, which A-skill is Fortress Def 3 and her refined Weapon is Def+.
And Finn will be so good for F2P GHB Horse only Quest!
Finn looks to be a good unit. At least he is better than Clive.
They added the final map from the Genealogy of Light Tempest Trial?! Wow, they must be out of ideas.
Probably because Thracia and Genealogy are connected. Though the timelines for the maps are out of order, but TT is chaotic so I guess time is irrelevant there.
Meh, I’ll just keep using the same numbering system I’ve always used. Remakes count, spin-offs don’t, and Archanea Saga doesn’t. I’m also not using a lot of the Treehouse’s retcon’d names, so FE6 is still Sword of Seals to me and the titular weapon is still the Sealed Sword rather than “bondage blade” to me. Plus I continue to use the old fan translated names of older characters rather than the new Treehouse names. Will it be confusing for the fanbase, which is about 90% new fans? Sure, but that’s fine. I’ve stopped taking IS and the fan base seriously a long time ago anyway.
Well anyway, nowadays I mostly just use abbreviations or full names (or joke names, like with Farts) if the game name is short enough , so that’s less confusing.
So basically it’s your arrogance that’s the problem more than newer fans.
Seems like it.
I agree, some of the new translations are atrocious. I still say Blazing Sword rather than Blade, as it just sounds better. Though I’m using Sword of Seals and Binding Blade interchangeably. And I still say Tiltyu and Ira. It’s not really any of my business if people have no idea what I’m talking about, they can stay in their reddit shithole for all I care.
After constant use of the number system it’s become a habit for me. Occasionally I’ll use a shorter form of the titles. Talking to new fans on Tumblr, especially when heroes came out, has always been fun when they didn’t understand which game I was talking about.
OMG. He’s so damn fast. Thank you very much Aethin
A really good banner, but I’d wait and see what the new heroes banner has to offer
Wow, this is actually the best chance the playerbase has ever had at getting Ayra. Still, not interested, I really don’t need another Sword unit when my offensive Myrm slot is waiting on Mareeta or Edward to be released. This is some pretty great bait though, my goodness.
That’s what they do every time a new heroes banner is about to come out. Gotta get players to buy orbs
Last Hero Fest, it was Ike less than a week beforehand. Now it’s Ayra. I bet the majority of the playerbase will struggle with this one. Though we should hear about the new heroes later this evening, so I bet at least some people can wait a day.
I have lost count of the orbs I wasted trying to get her… well she can just sit there – thank you Soleil!
The chance isn’t any better though. Color sharing doesn’t influence you chance to get a specific character it just makes it more likely to get any focus hero from the shared color.
Oh, really? Wasn’t aware. But the red 5 star pool is at least smaller now, right? So the odds should be better by that standard?
My understanding, and I’m not sure anyone knows how the odds work, is that there is a 3% of getting a focus hero from any color that has a focus unit. Then, once a focus is rolled, you have an equal chance at any of them. Otherwise, the percentages couldn’t be fixed.
You are my gods now. Thank you sooooo much.
This is a really good banner. I only don’t have Sonya, but I prefer don’t use my orbs on it.
Probably one of the best normal banners great waifus and great unit worth it!
NEW BANNER WITH FLYING ARCHER HINOKA, GREEN DRAGON FEMALE KANA AND BLUE LANCE SHIGURE!
ALSO, KAZE AND MALE KANA APPEARED IN THE TRAILER TOO.
WITH THE NEW BANNER BEING “FATES UNITS”, I BELIEVE TAKUMI WILL BE A LEGENDARY HERO, WITH A COLORED BOW.
That certainly isn’t a bad prediction on the Legendary Hero. It could also be someone like Sety, as a Wind hero, considering this month began as a Thracia 776 focus. Michaiah came before L!Ike, Myrrh before L!Ephraim, E!Chrom before F!Grima. The pattern may hold, but I am interested to see what they do with it. In other news, M!Kana is the next GHB, so what’s up with Kaze? Maybe a future TT reward? Perhaps Golden Week will give us some Kaze for free? It makes me wonder, though Golden Week Celebration lasting so long does point to something interesting potentially coming. I won’t complain if he’s free, Kaze was my favorite Fates unit.
Pass. Most of you already have Grima or Myrrh so why bother with Kana though since she’s a loli so she’ll get boosted BST. Shigure will get demoted. Flying archer Hinoka is an obvious sign they need whales to spend money. They really have been pushing non-seasonal alts ever since the year began. I wonder if their profit has slowly been decreasing. Also, male Kanna is a GHB unit. Kaze seems to be fated to be the next Ayra/Rhajat since no TT until the second half of May
While I agree the alts are annoying outside seasonals, I’m pretty sure these units were drawn and scheduled quite a while ago. With that being said, IS could not have received any feedback about them at the time, and therefore we will keep seeing these for some time, even if people complain. And while I agree that they are hogging unit slots, we can at least acknowledge that they are still creating other new characters to keep the flow coming, too. I just hope that they limit it to 1 alt every now and then, so we don’t have another Rein + Olwen situation from last banner. This is the second time a unit lost their niche to an alt, though (Eirika stole the Dark Sacred Twin, and now Hinoka stole Reina’s one saving grace, being her class.)
Oh yeah. But survey will take so long. At the end of the year or something
and Lilina took Athos’ Forblaze (altho not a new unit)
Any mage in Binding Blade could use it so it’s fair game
To be fair, Reina might as well be nonexistent since she’s a Corrin-sexual with bad bases, bad growths, no story relevance, and hardly any character at all. IIRC, she consistently ranked pretty low on Fates popularity polls alongside the likes of Yukimura. Since Hinoka (and practically everyone else) really can become a KK, she’s a vastly better fit for the role in Heroes.
I agree that Horse Eirika was ridiculous though. Even if Knoll was a late-game unit, he was actually reasonably developed as a character and relatively popular thanks to his niche in SS. One can only hope he eventually makes it into the game anyways with a buffed up variant of his tome that Eirika can’t get.
If Kaze is part of the stuff from the road map, then he’ll most likely be related to the Golden Week Celebration. Otherwise, maybe they’ll throw him into the next Legendary Heroes banner. I really don’t think Kaze will be the next Ayra/Rhajat since those were both related to events (TT/Voting). Who knows? Maybe he’ll be a Tap Battle reward.
Clive was added along with the rest of the SoV’s second batch, but not made available until a by that time not announced tempest. Kaze can follow Clive’s lead and become a reward for the late May tempest following the next Fates banner.
That’s true. Delthea and the others were added in Jult 13th, and Clive was added as playable unit in August 11th.
I never got Grima or Myrrh, so this is great for me.
Wish you luck then. Hope you get good IVs
Why not Reina?…
Popularity and demand; Reina has neither of those going for her.
People might want Kana for Goad Dragons I guess (I don’t actually know what batch of dragon buffs one would ideally run), but I can’t imagine she’ll surpass Myrrh or even Grima in terms of usefulness, and I don’t think people typically run multiple green dragons anyway. Shigure seems underwhelming in a crowded unit type, so it’s clear Hinoka is the draw. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of buffed quad and firesweep builds.
Nice that we’ll get a free dragon and free ninja though.
Now I can make my full Valla Family team M Corrin, Azura, F Kana, Shigure thank you IS!!!!! plus F Kana can now go with any pair I did some of the girls are still not in Heroes yet but their slowly getting there!
In actually surprised that Kana is green
We actually need more colorless and red dragons (1 and 2 currently).
The other 2 look good… but
Doesn’t something seem… OFF about new hinoka? Like her skills and weapon? And how some characters were introduced to counter horse emblem, which caused armor emblem (that and armor units became stronger) to become meta instead of horse emblem… and now flyers are anti armor and will likely soon be meta
I’m guessing they’re saving red dragons for dragon laguz since they’re weak to thunder magic in Tellius
Is this only unexpected because they didn’t add it in an update that was datamined first? I’m more surprised it took them this long to change that. We did know new characters were coming. I would’ve preferred an Awakening children banner over a Fates one, but I guess we just got Morgan/Gerome. This is an equivalent Fates banner, I suppose. Would love to get Awakening versions of Owain, Severa and Inigo.
Ooo. Eli
I haven’t been this excited about a banner in a while. I’m so happy for this! I really hope I get F!Kana tomorrow!
Stop taunting me with S14 IS! XD
Hinoka is brave Lyn with more BST. Though Lyn is better because of Sacae’s Blessing. Hinoka’s physical bulk is rather poor and her atk isn’t as high as I’d expected from a anti-armor unit
Shigure is rocking a decent atk of 33 and an amazing base spd of 37
Female Kana is basically female Corrin with more atk
You know something is up when more people are talking about Kaze than any of the banner units. I didn’t know he was that popular.
Kaze is a very special character for me. He is a good, calm and kind person. I really like his supports conversations, especially with Sakura.
One Kaze’s moment which is in my memory is Birthright’s Chapter 15. I didn’t have a A-Rank support with Kaze and, well… if you played Birthright, you know what happens if Corrin don’t have a A Support with Kaze in that Chapter. I was feelling very guilty for what happened. He is one of my favorite characters in Fates, so having Kaze in Heroes make me happy. I hope he is a free unit.
Same happened to me. I lost 4 hours of gameplay because of that
I continued to play the game normally, because I thought “Kaze’s event” was part of the story. When I played Conquest, I got surprised the same event didn’t happen. Then, I search about him and learned what trigger the event in Birthright. But when I played Birthright again, I did the right thing.
Sad part is that Midori was the last child left, but when Kaze died, I couldn’t recruit her.
Midori is my best Unit in Fates and some good money maker too!
Can´t wait to pull for her, regardless of her popularity.
With some good Luck from Midori, she could be a Green Bow user.
Kaze is talked about due to him not being available and his bishounen art. Felicia is still better than him. Hinoka is underwhelming for me.
I’m thrown by how violent Surtr is every time we get a new set of chapters. It’s a nice touch, even if it’s getting old.
I am thinking we will get Veronica at the end of Book II… for some reason…
Veronica as new green legendary hero?
Hm… It can and cannot happen. I would like if IS decide to make Veronica a Legendary Hero, although her tome, Élivágar, is not that amazing.
I can’t wait till we’re finally done with that guy, to be honest. He makes for a good antagonist, yeah, but I’m easily bored by “BWAHAHAHAHA LOOK HOW STRONG AND MEAN I AM AS I KILL PEOPLE, I AM SO EVIL” villains.
I also fear for Fjorm. The moment a character coughs, the next thing you know they’re collapsed in a dying heap and everyone’s crying. D:
I got a +Spd -HP Hinoka with 9 orbs! Yay! Luck smiles apon me this day! I am thinking to give her Swift Sparrow instead of Atk/Spd Bond. She will works better in the player phase. With Hinoka in my army, I will keep my orbs for the Legendary Banner.
M!Kana is amazing! With the datamine info is right, he has really good stats and skills. Water Breath and Blazen Def/Res are really good stats together.
Kaze is also really good. A Killing Dagger, Atk Smoke and, with 34 Res, he is a good Def Ploy user.
Weird experience. I was pulling for Kinshi Hinoka and ended up getting both Shigure and Kana in rounds that didn’t have a colorless summon (also Brave Lucina). Now I’m out of orbs.
Brave Lucina is a blue pity breaker! I got her last month when I was trying to get Morgan, and Sages got her in his summoning of this banner.
I wasn’t displeased with Brave Lucina. Merged her with the one I have, but I don’t use her very much. Would like to have Hinoka though.
Thats some EliGood Artwork~
I really want Veronica with a Xander alternative Outfit, all these sudden appearence of him with Veronica, even that one Manga Panel (#4) feels already like family~ Could Nifl (the Ice dragon) be later a Legendary Hero on a Legendary Banner? Possible! but we will see.
That could possibly be her Brave variant we’ll be getting. Her relationship with Xander is definitely interesting since he chooses to fight for her in the story. I feel like we’re getting close to a free story mode reward of standard Veronica. Maybe she’ll be the next Legendary Hero.
Not sure on Nifl depends how long book II is for them to be relevent unless they are just only a mention of Nifl royal line in the temple since Surtrs description mention a legendary fire dragon in his royal bloodline plus we have so many dragon units already as well so probably not?
I was also thinking Nifl!Fjorm from the recent events that’d be awesome!
Veronica’s colour scheme and general design already matches well with Xander’s, as is best seen in that very panel you mentioned. I have an acquaintance introduced to the franchise through Heroes who actually mistook Veronica for Xander’s younger relative; to this day, he still thinks Veronica looks more like Xander’s child than Siegbert does.
Even if we don’t actually get the original Veronica, an alt would still be pretty likely given her popularity in CYL2.
Hey Kirie: “Spend some Orbs on the Wings of Fate Summoning Focus for your chance at Kinshi Knight Hinoka, Shigure, and Male Kana. “
The Kana in the banner is female.
Whoops! Thanks. 🙂 I’ll get it fixed
I’m so happy that IS put in more Hoshidan units, even if some of them are just repeats with new outfits and skill sets. I am really hoping to get Female Kana. She is just too cute!
Story was very much a set-up sort of thing this week. Guess we’ll wait until May to see where it leads. I definitely feel Veronica slowly coming closer to playability.
As per the usual, you can also complete the third and fourth quests outside of the BHB, such as by beating a Takumi or Hinoka in Arena or Story Mode, or the Training Tower Tenth Stratum.
There’s probably no need for that though; Fjorm can withstand Takumi and the blue cav all by herself and single-handedly kill the former. The only units you really need to finish Lunatic is Fjorm and any dancer, so it’s easy to slip Anna into the team and kill Hinoka when given the chance. All five quests are easy to complete since everyone has Fjorm and Olivia is easily obtainable through the rotation battles.
It’d actually be more tedious to seek out Hinoka and Takumi at level 40 elsewhere.
I can’t wait to kill Surtr and avenge Gunnthrá in the final chapter! Um…next month is the final chapter, right?
I wasted about a dozen potions trying to clear Infernal last time, so I’m really pleased that I managed to complete it this time around with the help of Kinshi Hinoka.
Easy free orbs are always welcome. But I would like if we get a reward for reaching Floor 100. Could be some feathers or Refining Stones, but no hot spring again…
I always go with my Loli-Squad (Delthea, Nino, Sanaki & Nowi) to the Hot Springs~
Don’t other tapping games usually give you the option to tap through a whole song? I mean, I’m glad that’s not the default, but I can only listen to the first 15 seconds or so of a song for so long, especially for something like Twilight of the Gods, which has a rather long intro itself. Wind Across the Plains is just preference; I just prefer the later part of the song.
The only way to hear more than 15-20 seconds is playing in hard mode, so the level is longer.
That’s what I figured, but even hard mode barely gets me into the songs. The last one had Twilight cut off abruptly, and at least through 40 floors, we haven’t hit the flourish in Wind Across the Plains either. Too bad, I guess.
You can listen to the full song by touching the music-note icon before going into a stage. But then, you can’t actually play tap battles at the same time as that, unfortunately.
Would be cool if Tap Battle has a endless mode, where you play it with only 1 (or 3) heart(s) until you fail, and have some quests like “get a 50 combo in endless mode”.
That kind of quest would only be appreciated if IS fixes the combo system, since it’s extremely picky on what does and doesn’t break combos. TB’s combo system is downright awful in comparison to genuine mobile rhythm games like School Idol Festival and Bandori.
Play with the sound off?
Probably the best option, I can’t remember when I last had sound on in this game in general.
Me neither.
Tap Battle makes me wish they’d add a sound room so I could just listen to the music on its own.
I’d just wish they would at least change up the ending scene at Floor 100. Seriously, it can’t be that hard.
*sighs* Thank you FE Heroes, you officially made me feel one of my favorite FE 7 lords as “overrated”. Good god she did NOT need another alt. This could have gone to anyone else but her. Of course morons go “Thighs sell, IS wants to make money off of her.” Well……its not like Lyn isn’t the only female character with assets. Literally anyone else could have gotten it. What makes this worse….Brave Lyn will most likely get Swift Mulagir as an upgrade….tbh Swift is better than the normal Mulagir most of the time. Since the whole “Negate Bonus” effects are not really used much now as they’re getting steadily replaced by ploys, chill, and smoke skills.
Ooo. Boy. Swift Mulagir on brave Lyn will be cancerous
I don’t know if Swift Mulagir will be available to Brave Lyn in the Weapon Refinery because Mulagir is a colorless bow and Swift Mulagir is a
green bow. It would change Brave Lyn color. I will not complain if it happens, but…
Color doesn’t matter for shared weapons. The unit’s color stays the same despite their weapon. Bow are like dragons now
Oh, in this case… it’s ok. So yes, Brave Lyn will use the Swift Mulagir pretty well. Although, she will trade the +3 Spd for the +3 Res,
If it’s less solo runs and lihn activates it’s unit requirements, it’ll be better because of the spd/atk boost. So I guess it should say it’s better than mulagir if people don’t plan on having Lyn just to go out there and solo maps. It still bust3d though because you honestly could get a bunch of dancers to be around her.
That title still belongs to Ike…
#morethan4
I confess I would prefer a different hero, but I am ok with Lyn (again). Now the Lyn Emblem will be completed. She looks to be a great unit, although I can see Vantage being more useful with Laws of Sacae than Desperation. Refined Marth is the perfect support for Legendary Lyn, because he can give her more +4 Atk/Spd/Def/Res, making Lyn having +8 in all stats in enemy’s phase, and more +5 Atl/Spd because of her weapon. I am sure I will make L’Lyn and Marth have support.
The problem, for me, is… I already have the others 2 green units in the banner. I hope Lady Luck helps me in this banner, like how she helped me with Kinshi Hinoka (I got her in my 3nd summoning orbs, being the 1st the free one). I will also target the Colorless pool, because I don’t have H’Jakob and L’Robin, and having more Gennys is always good. Red is my 3rd priority, because I don’t have Mage Eirika and Fallen Celica, and I can skip blue because I already have L’Ephraim and I got Micaiah as a pity breaker some time ago (although I would like some Sturdy Stance 2 and Distant Def 3). I was hoping to get F!Morgan in this Legendary Banner, because I want the Serpent Tome for my LA!Lyn.
Also, with Spd Tactic, Eirika will be fully boosted! I need to get her with good IVs.
I am so happy Kaze is a free unit, although he losed his IVs because of this update. I don’t like Grand Conquest, but I will play it for him (or at least until I reach Tier 25 to get all the rewards).
Lyn Emblem was already complete, though – this is the fifth Lyn, after Lyn, Bridal Lyn, Brave Lyn, and Valentine’s Lyn.
But know we can make a Lyn Emblem with different colors: Sword Lyn, Blue Mage Lyn, Green Bow Lyn and Staff or Colorless Bow Lyn.
Legendary Lyn destroyed the idea of “the legendary heroes is related to the previous/current chapter/banner”. I was expecting Takumi or Sakura, but nope!
That’s definitely later on especially Camilla
I’d love to see a Legendary Camilla, though as much as I love her, it’s more fitting for Xander, Ryoma and Corrin to get their legendary alts before her…then again, Lyn isn’t even that important to the story of FE7 and she got her’s before Eliwood and Hector, so who knows at this point.
Lyn’s just there for the tutorial, which is dreadful to say the least
I believe the Legendary Heroes are Original Characters, Main characters for their games or characters related to the main characters. OC are Fjorm anr Gunnthrá, Ephraim and Ike are main characters, Robin and Lyn are related to main characters. Robin is only important in the final part of Awakening, making Chrom and Lucina the real main characters. He/she is not important during the Gangrel’s Arc, as Lyn is only important during the tutorial (Lyn’s Story).
FEH Community: Hey IS, can we have a Legendary Marth please? He is the main FE lord after all.
IS: No, but you can have another Lyn.
FEH Community: But this is the 5th god damn one, and less than 3 months after the last one.
IS: Oh don’t worry, we got half a dozen more planned for the rest of 2018.
Actually, considering the frequency of Lyn alts, we’ll have 8 or more Lyn’s next year
Of course this will happens! We need Lyn Emblem (or Robin Emblem) for Rival Domains and Grand Conquest.
Retard
Hold up. I would complain about Legendary Lyn, but I don’t really care. We can recruit Kaze through quests?? I’m really happy with that.. though I’m not really a fan of Grand Conquests. I’m intrigued.. will he be added to summoning banners after?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANOTHER WORTHLESS RESKINNED CHARACTER!!!!!!!!
WE NEED A LOT MORE OF THIS IS!
lol no start using new characters pls
Get raped retard, get a fucking brain.
Very excited for a free Kaze. I have… mixed feelings about another Lyn, really do wish that someone like Eliwood or Alm got it instead. Ah well, the dislike ratio on the trailer makes it more than clear that people are displeased. IS will likely somewhat learn.
Also, I bet the countering skills banner will now be a recurring thing, with Hector and Takumi as staples while they rotate a DC weapon user (bet Ryoma is next, then Hardin etc.) So I’m saving my orbs for that and whatever comes next month.
Another Bow Lyn?! Goddammit, Intelligent Systems, this is the most reta-wait…! …Okay, Legendary Lyn’s finishing blow is freaking cool. But in any case, not looking forward to this, I refuse to get trolled with those worthless 3-Star Heroes, 8% for these focused 5-Star Heroes is a lie, and the Heroes that I already have are pity breakers, not to mention the fact that they killed off Gunnthrá so she won’t be available, so…SKIPPED!
But, I’m glad that they’re giving us free Orbs for this Golden Week!
Lyn is such a green unit. But why not make Kaze a green dagger unit?
Because there is no green dagger, or blue dagger, or red dagger. The colored daggers are not on the list of weapon types.
Not yet so I can have later Blue Dagger Flora~
Or some special Banner with Ninja-Elise as Red-Dagger because reference to her Flowers
I don’t think Flora or Elise are “Legendary” enough. Legendary Heroes only focuses on the main characters of the Fire Emblem series, such as Ike and Ephraim, and main villains such as Female Grima, not minor characters like Flora or Elise. Oh, wait, Elise is a supporting character, but she’s still not “Legendary” enough.
I only mentioned “Special Banner” (similar like NewYears or Bride) and I think it would be boring if those new Weapon-types only appear on Legendary Banners. We dont even have colorless Melee units, which could be Beast units like Laguz or Taguel. Its just some speculation for fun~
Even I am now feeling the alt-fatigue. …I guess I’m sending another feedback form IS’s way…
Another Grand Conquest, though, so soon after the last one. And they’ve already made changes. That’s pretty snappy. Though with it being so snappy, I’m not expecting the mode to suddenly have all issues fixed now. But it should at least be better than before. Looking forward to seeing the improvements in the execution.
Get raped
Apparently civil discussion has become a foreign concept, so now we have to resort ot petty, angsty insults and attacks. How sad…
Not only was I happy to see a new Hinoka variant, I managed to pull her on my first try. 😀
Goddammit, now that’s another unit on my Want list who I may never get. Oh well, at least you can get Kaze without spending money or wasting orbs.
Another Lyn, yay >_>
I’ll probably skip this banner as I have 2 of most colors, and one for red.
I feel it should be mentioned that while the English reveal trailer is only about 3 to 1 in the like to dislike ratio, the Japanese version is much worse, it’s basically 1 to 1. I think IS is going to take this reception to heart and do better about being so repetitive with character alts.
Yea. I also checked the like/dislike ratio just because someone on reddit pointed it out. Not even the Hinoka banner got this much spite
I think the reason is that Japan doesn’t have the same connection to Lyn like the West does since FE7 wasn’t their first game (obvs). So many in the West are fine with Lyn getting another alt cause she’s their first waifu while Japan is just like, “another one? Come one, there are better babes out there.”
Why? Because some retards whine about alts and want obscure characters that no one gives a shit about? Lmao.
So many Quests are lovely, and Tap Battle slowly gets some more little changes, like the one with Dorcas is nice~
By the way, refresh yourself well my Loli-Squad~
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Honestly this whole situation is really sad for me. Lyn’s new art is amazing, she can be really helpful gameplay wise and i love her character and her game so much, but the time she got here was awful. It was a matter of time for them to reveal her as a Legendary, but they could wait a litle more, and dont do it so close to the sixth copy of Robin.
It’s ridiculous and sad to see this happen now, and not when we did see 2 copy paste of grima came one after the other one.
It seems that awakening fanbase can shallow only what they want to..
There is one thing you miss about Robin
A) Most people see the Robin as two different characters. So in their mind, there is only 2Male 2 Female Robins. Why I write 2 is you will see in B. Even most Fatewakening haters does that.
B) Grima and Robin isn’t the same character. Yes, Robin is the one that is supposed to be Grima, but due to his/her mannerism compared to Robin, they are separate people. It’s sort of like twins. Both might look identical but they are in the core two different persons.
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C) F!Grima is a flying dragon, M!Grima is an armored dragon, with two different playstyles. LLyn is just Brave Lyn without a horse.
I love Lyn as much as the next guy, but outside of Robin (since I’m with you on the hole two grima aspect and all to some degree even as a Robin fan) Lyn was the one I did not want to see given a new alt for a long while. And especially not someone this lazy which is the worst part about it.
I liked your comment. I think the worst exemple of alt. version (at least for me) for a unit in Heroes is Ike. Both normal Ike and Vanguard Ike are Infantry Sword users, with both using the same weapon (Ragnell), and both have similar stats (although, the Legendary one has better stats). Another exemple I have is Hector. But both Hectors have different, weapons.
While I do concede that PoR Ike and Legendary Ike are pretty similar, I am admittedly pretty confused why people like to keep bringing Ike up as an issue for alts when he actually is a Lord in two unique games. Brave Ike already had Urvan, so there really was no other way to design RD Ike without making his stat spread very different from PoR, which I actually think they should have done (Ike was hardly mediocre in Speed in PoR. That was pretty much his most defined stat, a fast Lord that could hit hard even unprompted, like Ephraim.) Yes, he was a blatant copy, but he at least has two games to represent. Same goes for the Black Knight.
On the other hand, Chrom has had 4 copies overall, two being seasonal, and when he wins CYL in the future he will have 5 just like Lyn, maybe 6 if he becomes Legendary. I personally see Robin and Grima as separate, but even so we now have two Robin(M)s, two Robin (F)s, and two Grimas. I think they are fine there, but they need to cool it now on them. Then there is Lyn, a nice Lord that has now been given a Legendary Alt with a weapon she could never use, two seasonal varients, and then CYL gave her another alt, though I can at least appreciate their focus on the character’s fathers for a theme there. Ike and BK may just be slightly improved, but they will never share a summon pool with their alts,they are actually canonical older versions of themselves, and they help represent different games. Unless Binding Blade decides to include Lyn in the future, there is no reason to keep giving one character from one game so much attention. I do feel that Ike’s massive popularity has soured people’s taste for him, but they could at least acknowledge that PoR and Radiant Dawn both exist when making the argument for alts, you know?
I think Ike is a great exemple to how don’t make a alternative version. A Alt. need to be very different from the original. A good exemple is normal Lyn and Brave Lyn. Two units very different. I agree Lyn have more alt. than she deserves. I hope IS decides to make alt. for units who deserve it and for units who don’t have alt already. For exemple: Celica, Ephraim and Hector don’t need a new alternative, because we know we will receive a brave form of them. We don’t need a 5th Chrom or Lucina, or a 4th Camilla, Azura or Takumi. Marth is the one I really want a Alt. Ryoma, Micaiah and Alm are good choices too.
It’s funny how IS loves Awakening, Fates and Blazing Sword to make to much alternatives for their characters, but the main villans of the games are not in Heroes (Grima is a villan, but I am talking about Validar or Gangrel)
I totally agree on your picks like Alm, Marth, Michaiah and Ryoma. Marth and Alm especially, what happened to the Echoes hype from last year? People loved Alm, as shown by CYL. And Marth, man that guy could use a King Alt. Just give him an altered Falchion like Exalt Chrom and he’s set. I also find it odd that Gharnef hasn’t made it in when he was in Warriors. The dude’s a pretty cool villain, even if he isn’t much better than Validar in the evil for power department. They did something right villian-wise by adding Hardin, at least. They need to spread the love, and I think with the video backlash they may just do so.
I think we’ve really started to reach a saturation point with alts. I
love Lyn, and I wasn’t even excited when I saw she had gotten another
alt. She doesn’t even look any different than her Brave Heroes form.
Exactly! When IS keeps releasing alts nearly back to back, it loses its special feel. To me now, when there are new banners I almost half expect it to just be more alts and not actual new characters. I love Lyn as well but was disappointed with her new legendary alt, and with just how many alts we are getting in general lately.
We don’t have a saturation of alts as much as we have a drought of new entries. One would think alts are used to fill out otherwise empty rosters but here we are with dozens, possibly hundreds of unused characters but have to slogg through our 3rd and 4th alts of the same thing.
Yes, far too soon is what we can say, + there is another Legend (CYL) running around strongly in every Arena battle, maybe this could be a factor, too! Or why do I need “another” one, when the first one is already good enough? Whats could happening now would be:
-releasing new Charas who never stepped a feet in this game (Ilyana, Tatiana, Midori, Elena, Emma etc.)
-alternate versions of charas we like (RedTome Darkmage Micaiah, Sword Cavalry + Healer Mist, Enchantress Delthea etc.)
-free obtainable units (similar to Fjorm & Ike)
Anyway, CYL is on the way and we get our 3rd version of: Hector, Celica & Ephraim, almost a 4th Camilla but somehow her alternate releases in game where acceptable.
On a side note, what if when a new Marth could be so strong and change the Mata alone that we say he should never be released in the first place and maybe Int.Sys. is right now doing this?
I strongly agree with the article, especially with poor Marth not having an alt yet. I’m a big fan of Lyn and I don’t mind the 5th version, but I agree variety should come first and special versions should be, well, more special. The reason I’m not mad is because, as said at the end, Intelligent Systems is otherwise doing an amazing job with the game. It was just bad timing on their part.
I would like to see a return to OCs as the Legendary Heroes. Bruno has been MIA since Book 1, and it looks like only a matter of time until Veronica leaves Team Evil.
I agree with the article here, even though I personally find Lyn to be uninteresting and overrated, I don’t bemoan anyone who likes her. My biggest grip was that it hasn’t even been 3 months since her last alt and there are dozens of characters worthy of the “Legendary” title, with Marth in particular having no alt of his own. I’m aware this is a gatcha game, but I’d like for IS to show more tact and not be so obvious in their attempts to squeeze money out of us.
Normally I go for Legendary banners for the Legendary Hero and those I particularly want, but this is the first time I’m going to pass (even if I do want characters like H!Henry and H!Jakob). So aside from sending feedback through customer support, I’m also sending feedback by not buying into this bad practice. They’ll feel the effects more greatly if they make less off of this banner than projected.
which they won’t, you grossly overestimate people not going in on this banner. Youtubers will, most people who comment here and on Reddit will. The majority of people who don’t go on either this or reddit will still pull, simply put most people will not care. I don’t care, actually I do really want this 5th Lyn because I missed the Valentines one and I want to run Lyn Emblem and have a unique bow.
As for alt moaning, while yes I’d like to see more characters two there is alot I also wouldn’t like to see, Ironically enough Knoll and Reina spring to mind, characters nobody really gives a crap about but are now being championed for no discernible reason then to be awkward. Yes we need a Legendary Marth, a good Marth, Kent, Sain, Laguz etc. there are alot I want to see but the moaners are moaning about the wrong damn things.
Anyone’s got any good wind blessing teams? That’s the one that stumps me the most, probably… I’d like to build around Gunnthra, but I don’t really know who to pick.
I recommend first Hone cavalry user to buff her stats and another ploy user to support Gunnthrá´s personal weapon Blizzard. A fast, hard hitting Red unit to help with other kinds of danger.
I’d like to have a team that could actually benefit from the +Res that Gunnthra’s wind affinity gives. That’s what’s giving me the most trouble.
A full Horse Emblem would be the best answer then with all the cavalry buffs.
My reaction was more or less an “Oh well” reaction. Not happy. Not angry. Just eh more or less. Lyn is a character I do genuinely like, but it’s easy to understand the frustration from people thinking this has gone too far, even from people who are fans of Lyn.
IS should take a look at those Nintendo Mobile like/dislike bars and see how much more polarizing this is. You have dozens of main characters to use. Use them.
While I don’t disagree with you, Vincent, I don’t really feel like the front page should be used for opinions. That’s what the forums are for.
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I am planning to (or try to) summon Lyn, because she looks to be a great unit, but I would prefer to have another character as Legendary Hero. I was predicting Takumi, or even Sakura, to appear as L’ Hero this month, but Lyn was a huge surprise.
They need to just stop with alts. It’s not a particular game problem anymore and it’s now a series-wide issue. We’ve got hundreds of characters. I think we can think of a place for them in these banners.
I plan to pull in this banner, but mostly because most of the 5s are heroes I want and do not have yet. I really like Lyn and happy she is getting more exposure, but honestly, I’m all Lyn’d out, especially after her sheer dominance in this game and Warriors.
And I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that alt of Eirika could have been Knoll. He isn’t popular, but I would like to see every character in Heroes at some point. It’d be really nice.
I know that there are only so many popular characters in general, but I would like to see more alts of other popular characters first before handing even more to ones that already have a bunch. Cool it with Fates Royals and the popular Awakening characters already.
I find myself apathetic toward people complaining about Lyn when nobody seemed to care that we got 6 robins, one of which was a colorless flying dragon for no fucking reason. You, and others, give them a pass because they’re different genders, but I don’t. Not when they all wield the same 3 weapons.
I’m actually curious if IS sees them as the same since we’ve got a Robin reward map coming up
I was more bothered that a villain was made a LEGENDARY *HERO* colorless dragon instead of an actual legendary hero like Tiki or Naga.
It was probably meant as s Robin alt rather than just Grima
Even so, it’s a VILLAIN! Acts like a villain, talks like a villain, chills like a villain.
Bit redundant, but I’ll state my opinion regardless. Eirika was a “nice surprise”, in the fact it showed the devs can pull off, what is stated here, as “what if” characters. I haven’t played Sacred Stones thoroughly enough to know it was a somewhat vague reference, until it was pointed out to me. There is nothing wrong with alts, and I even expected them. “Acceptable” alts would be like FE 6 Hector and Karel, just to name two examples. I’m even fine with seasonal to “spice” things up, since they’re pretty spread out. However, “what if” or CYL-esque alts were something I expected after they exhausted every or almost character in the series. Which they are FAR from.
Let’s try to look at things from IS perspective: their ultimate objective is to make the game profitable, so they have two options when thinking about new legendary heroes:
-A popular hero with a huge fanbase who will pull for her (and yeah, let’s just go with “her”) regardless of how strong she is as a character.
-A OC or a classic FE character who -might- deserve an alt, but who hasn’t because IS -knows- its not a profitable as our first option.
I think Gunnthrá is a good example for this. She’s a OC, nice looking, somewhat important to the plot (nobody cares about that, but meh) and she’s actually a pretty nice unit. Now, when was the last time you saw one at the arena? Horse Emblem teams are quite common, but she is rarely seen even in those teams -not even with her arena relevant chill speed.
My point is, if you really want different alts, your wallets will speak way louder than your comments, by pulling for that new Marth or Renault or whatever. You can start saving orbs right now avoiding the new banner. Or just throw a couple of orbs for Speed Tactic, which is probably there just to give something useful for those who dislike Lyn or just don’t want another.
I never have and still don’t refer to any of the remakes as “numbered” entries. It’s just so silly to me. They’re remakes. If you were to number the Zelda games, it would be absurd to give OoT 3D, WW HD, MM 3D, and TP HD numbers. They’re remakes of numbered entries.
So I refuse to use numbers for the remakes (and for Gaiden’s remake, I shorten it to “Shadows of Valentia” rather than “Echoes,” since that is likely to be a branding element for future remakes). I still don’t understand why people use numbers for remakes when they likely won’t and don’t for any other series.
(Which, fun enough, makes Awakening 11, Fates 12, and the yet-to-be-released-or-even-properly-revealed Switch title 13. Let’s hope its’ not too unlucky 🙂 )
Would be nice to see Opinion pieces on SF used for more than just negativity.
There are some good points raised here, though I think pointing to Lyn is a strange approach. The banner right before her Legendary appearance, with Hinoka and Shigure, in a way features two alts and one new character (Hinoka and Shigure both as alts, even if the new Shigure is his in-game actual appearance). I pulled only green on that banner mainly because I only cared about Kana there, but also because it was a very strange combination of characters. Kaze is a new character being released – why wasn’t he on the banner? Why are male and female Kana both dragons, and why is male Kana a freaking GHB reward? That’s the weirdest decision for me.
Lyn being a Legendary Hero, even considering timing, just isn’t at all egregious to me. After Fjorm and Gunnthra, all the Legendaries have been alts of existing (and VERY popular characters), so Lyn should have been expected sooner rather than later.
The flood of alts can be seen as a problem (it depends on perspective, so I won’t just out-and-out say IT IS BAD because it’s not that simple). Pointing to Lyn as the breaking point is a very strange argument to me, though. It’s even more disappointing that the argument has gained so much traction among the vocal minority, there’s quite the echo chamber getting started up.
Looking at the arguments about alts and strange banner compositions, Lyn is definitely not the strongest argument against so many alts. Look at Kinshinoka’s banner and the strange handling of Kaze and male Kana. Look at how almost every banner with new Heroes recently has had at least one alt. Those are strong examples. Legendary Lyn? Not really.
It’s also worth realizing we have two new character banners coming very close together – as soon as Kinshinoka’s ends, another begins. It’ll be very interesting to see what that new banner is, if it’s a seasonal full of alts, or a “new hero” banner with only one or two actual “new” heroes.
I’ll also, for argument’s sake, state that I’m really not unhappy with FEH so far at all. I love Lyn, so I don’t mind her at all getting a new version (and now she appears in all the colors! Lyn Emblem here we come!). If I didn’t frequent Fire Emblem fan sites, I would have no idea this had such blowback, because I saw the trailer and honestly lost my freaking mind, I was very excited to see a new Lyn. But even though I have some problems with Leif and Kinshinoka’s banners having more or equal alts to new characters, it doesn’t bother me in a huge way. And I hope people who are actually angry and upset about this will find a way to calm down and rationally, reasonably deal with it. If you don’t like it, offer feedback to IS – as the article states, you can do that through the game itself, which is a very nice feature. But if you’re just grumpy about “overexposure” or a character you don’t like getting an alt, or a character you DO like NOT getting an alt, then it’s all very arbitrary and perhaps you should try to find things to be happy about. There’s enough anger and hatred on the internet, and it would be nice for video games to be a place where we can be more happy than angry.
I felt there’s no point of this topic welcome to gacha games this is definitely most people first mobile game.
I was absolutely furious when Legendary Lyn was announced because I had literally just given my Brave Lyn a Wind Blessing
They used to release 4 new characters at a time. Now they release 1 at a time, because they’d rather make other variations of already existing heroes. Ugh…
The Far-Fetched Heroes banner seems so far away now. I hope we see banners like that again soon. Having Mia, Dorcas, Lute, and Joshua (am I missing anyone?) all drop together was so cool! Not only was it a banner full of brand new Heroes, but they were from different games, too. I don’t need my banners themed, I just want to get cool mix-ups like that, it was very fun.
And I hope they don’t keep putting on their event calendars “New Hero Banner” only to have it be half or more of alts, with just one, maybe two new Heroes.
Personally I’m not upset about alts, and I like most of them. I just don’t entirely like how they’re releasing them, and I’d rather have new Hero banners be exclusively NEW Heroes, not alts. It seems to me that making alts and new Heroes would take the same amount of work on the part of IS, so the sudden deluge of alts, while not terrible, is very strange.
I agree and to be frank, they can still give us ALTs if the use the 4-heroes banner setup.
It seems Legendary Heroes is mostly based on their achievement from their respective game. Although I personally agree that we do have Lyn, there a theory that IS is trying to please both Veterans and Newcomers. I do expect Marth will get is spot eventually. Also, let’s not forget that they introduce color bows, so whatever the heroes come in, it will either find it interesting or no interest.
If Legend Lyn turn out to be given as a free unit due mission (correct me), then I personally don’t think its a problem, but there are those who will either use it for team build or Skills intertance/Send Home.
Looks like people are overcompensating for the lack of Lyn (as a playable character) in Smash bros.
I remember wanting another version of Lyn as a Legendary Hero, but I feel like they really jumped the gun on this one. They should have waited a few more months from now to release her, because recently it just feels as though we’ve been given too many Lyns. Maybe they could have waited until later this year when it would have been close to the anniversary of last year’s Choose Your Legends event, and then released her with a legendary banner at that time. It would have been better to do so at that time in my opinion, since her legendary version basically looks like the Brave Lyn version anyway.
I do hope that we get more actual brand new characters added to the game, and at this point I don’t care if it’s from an old game or a new game. We just need more variety of characters, not more variants. While it is undeniably nice to see different versions of characters it loses its special feel when we constantly get new versions of already existing characters in Heroes.
IMHO the worst part of this is Lyn won’t get a Sword Legendary alt now, unless weapon swapping becomes a thing.
This is like if Hector had his Legendary Alt use Durandal. It’s bullshit.
I agree. If she became a Legendary Hero, the least they could have done was give her her Sol Katti.
I just pretend that bride/vd Lyn don’t exist so it’s not a problem for me. (also Marth is super boring)
I posted a detailed comment on here this morning, where did it go?
Well I’ll try reposting in a condensed form:
– Recent banners before the Legendary Lyn are a far better example of improper use of alts and “too many” alts. The Thracia and Kinshinoka banner were advertised as banners for new characters, but for Thracia we only got two new characters with two alts, and with Kinshinoka we had arguably two alts (Shigure has appeared before, though he’s only now appearing in his game-accurate form) and one new character, with TWO new characters (Kaze and Male Kana) relegated to means other than the banner. That’s far more of a problem (if one considers alts a problem, which is a matter of perspective) than Legendary Lyn, when all Legendary Heroes since Gunnthra have been alts of the most popular characters. Lyn was inevitable, in that respect.
– I’d love to understand why people are so upset about Lyn. I’m reading comments, and the above article, but I still don’t fully understand. It feels like mostly a case of “I want THIS character or THIS alt but instead I’m getting THIS and I’m mad about it” rather than “this is an objectively bad design choice.” Again, if too many and too frequent alts are the problem, the most recent “new hero” banners are far bigger problems in that argument.
– I find it disappointing that so far Opinion pieces on SF have been primarily used for negativity. I don’t mind editorials, but only having them come out when there’s controversy or anger, and then using that to sort of fan the flames of that dissent, feels like the wrong move. Though I do respect the author’s extensive analysis, and they make some solid points, I just think that this, and Ayra, I think are the only Heroes Opinion pieces on here? That’s disappointing to me, as I love to read positive editorials and I think SF has some good writers, including the writer of this article.
Looks like those Special Maps are for LegendaryLyn because of so much reinforcements.
Good RNG for you summoners~
I had 450+ orbs. Spent them all. Don’t know what overcame me. Got 2 Inigos, 1 Henry, 1 Micaiah, 1 Grima, 1 Celica, 1 Ike. I got a few orbs after that from completing all of the Lyn maps. Infernal was way easier than Grima’s. Thank god I got pain fodder from my summonings. I haven’t had pain ever since the weapon refinery was announced, believe it or not. But come on. They could’ve at least given me Nanna
150+ orbs for a Grima and a Lyn… Great…
I got 7 heroes with less than 100 orbs last time… Too sad…
You did better than me. Had a 10.5% rate before I got a Micaiah, and didn’t get anything else after that. About 165 orbs.
Well, I guess I did get a 3* Sheema, so I’m not too displeased.
After 100 orbs, I got afraid of getting a hero I already had. I would get pissed if I get Inigo or Henry, two heroes I already have. Luckily, I got Lyn (+Spd -Def). I made some quest, got some orbs, tried again and I got Grima (+Spd -Atk).
I planning to try again after some quests done. I would like to get a Jakob. My Faye with guard bow and Quick Riposte worked pretty well, so this build will work better with Jakob because he has access to armored buffs more easily than Faye has access to Tactic Buffs.
And now I have access to all four tactics, I can search for a good Eirika. I have a +Def -Res 5* Eirika, and a +Def -Spd 5* Eirika. I am trying to get a +Atk.
I suppose it’s not too bad. I only really pulled in this banner because I also wanted Spd Tactic for my Eirika. She is +Spd -Res and pretty decent.
I wasn’t planning to spend my whole supply like this, since I’d be pretty annoyed if the upcoming new heroes banner has something that I want.
This is not a bad banner at all. There are really good units on it. Now I am re thinking if I will spend orbs on it again. I thinking of keep my orbs for the next main banner.
It’s not bad, but there’s not really any units that I want on it. So in my case it’s just the fodder that I’d go for. Hopefully the next banner will be another 3DS one that I can skip.
I believe the next banner will be 3DS units too. I think can be Awakening, but I would prefer a Shadow of Valentia banner, because the game was released on May (I want Silque and Python). And… as IS likes alternatives, I can easily see Palla, Catria and Est (Valentia version), and even Zeke, as part of the banner. Possessed Delthea is a option as GHB (sadly).
Spent 25 orbs. Got Inigo. Got Celica. Got Lyn.
My work is done.
And of course, here I am not giving 2 craps about this banner thinking to myself that I might as well just redeem my free summon…my free summon was a L!Lyn…and it took getting up to 4.75% pity rate on the previous banner just for me to pull a -Atk Bownoka, RNGesus really does hate me.
I am not even close to that Infernal Legendary Hero Battle right now. Seeing Valter flashbacks…
Oh my gosh, I’m so happy!! I had the literal WORST luck getting Legendary Robin last banner, and I managed to get both her and Legendary Lyn in one round of summoning. Today is a great day.
I have Legendary Lyn! I’m satisfied.
Got my bae Lyn great IVs all good saving for when my other bae Fjorm comes back in the next one need my full +10!
don’t want the new Lyn, and I already have 2 reds, one green, and one colorless
But for me… blue and colorless are the way to go. Just pls no Genny
Did the first circle only and snagged Eirika, +Atk -Res. Pretty satisfied overall!
Oh look, Blue is useless for me again, it’s like they’re trying to make me not pull for Blue on these Legendary Banners. At least all three of the others are fairly solid this time, I think Inigo is the only one I would be bothered by.
This is awesome news. Thanks for sharing, Jedi!
Im skipping it, well, it’s all i can do in order to show my dissatisfaction with all this. Already send my feedback so… Let’s hope for the best next time.
inb4 fe16 is an fe MUGEN build
Thank goodness the PR crash-and-burn didn’t obliterate the game’s chances. Now think about how high that one million could have been if they’d managed the PR the right way…
In most likelihood, it may only be a few hundred or thousand higher. The focus on three games is unlikely to have had much of an impact on the general public, and Fire Emblem is still straddling that awkward line between niche and mainstream.
An updated version or sequel that borrows the hype and popularity of Heroes would likely do the trick though. Since HW and FEW performed significantly better than the recent DW and SW games, KT has a much better chance of investing more effort into future projects with Nintendo. DW9 has three times the amount of playable characters as FEW does, which in turn only has one more playable character than DW2, which was a PS2 launch title.
A potential FEW2 would also likely look towards Heroes for indicators on unit popularity during the process of creating it’s roster.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the majority of the backlash came from older FE fans, who also tend to be a vocal minority. As much as old FE fans like to think of themselves as the life blood of the franchise, we only make up a very small fraction of sales for the franchise. So even though there was a lot of backlash, the ones who ended up supporting the game in the end were newer fans and new comers who didn’t necessarily care that only 3 games got significant rep.
35 Orbs for Ephraim and Lyn, which is pretty good. I’ll likely be spending much more on the banner since the aforementioned two plus Genny, Ike, and Henry are the only units I have. If I could just snag Jakob, I’d have a much easier time remaining in tier 20.
Those Lyn quests were surprisingly difficult though; Legendary Lyn was thoroughly thrashed even on the level 30 map, which I find rather odd. I ended up relying on Reinhardt and Fae to beat Infernal like I usually do.
Rhomphaia will be the same as Wing Sword, but I’m curious about it’s refinement. Wo Dao effect based on speed?
Camilla I’m expecting to be tanky and fast with her new weapon.
The updates have started to improve the enjoyment of the game so I’m glad about that
Wo Dao or Yato?
– Takumi as a gift for new players at 4*: oh, good.
– Turn off enemy phase music : MOTHER OF GOD, AT LAST.
By the way, can you recruit Takumi if you complete the tutorials again? I never got him.
I believe all rewards of the tutorial are given to current players as a reward! Takumi, and a bunch of feathers/crystals/badges!
The Feathers, Badges and Shards are because now new players will receive all free units as 4 stars heroes, while players before this update received the free units (excluding Takumi) as 2 stars units. The 13,200 Hero Feathers is the amount needed to promote six 2 stars units to 4 stars units, and Takumi will be a free unit to old players, while new players will have Takumi during the Prologue.
Well, that’s nice! Takumi is the only royal sibiling I don’t have. Also, free distant counter.
Such radikal changes, to think at the beginning with all the grind we did with 50 Stamina and ca. 1-2 5* if you where lucky at summonig.
I don´t want to say “Easy Modo”, but the Tension to train some units (at the time Odin as example) was really good.
But I snatch every free CloseCounter anytime ( °w°)————{ (CC)
A free Takumi is great! For new players, he is a good archer. For old players, a free Close Counter. I think he is be the first exclusive 5 stars unit to receive a 4 stars form. Maybe this can means the demotion of 5 stars is coming?
I already expect Camilla and Corrin new weapon/refinement, but a new weapon for Clair? In Echoes, Rhomphaia is effective against Armored and Cavalry. This is help Clair’s low Atk. I hope her refinement is good.
Arena will become easier now, thanks for the buffs. Also… Kaze! I would like to know if a free unit will be exclusive or this GC, or this will repeat in futures GC. Maybe this is how we will get the old Tempest Trial rewards! I can see Tobin and Clive as rewards for this mode.
All of these seem really cool, and considering I’ve randomly pulled two -ATK Takumi, I’ll take a free one. The big thing though: the music will no longer change on enemy phase! That alone is worthwhile. We’ll see about the weapon upgrades. I don’t think they’ll be enough to salvage the -ATK Clair and -SPD Corrin I have gathering dust
YES!!!!! my girl and boi Camilla and Corrin are finally getting their Refines!!!!
These updates are AMAZING!
New weapons are great, Arena changes are pretty good (though the reward going from 3 orbs to 1 is annoying, it’s fine). But the big deals are the seemingly little stuff for me.
Heroes keeping EXP and SP even if they’re KOed??? OH HECK YES FINALLY. That’s always driven me crazy, I’m so glad they changed that. 40 Units instead of 20 for the enemies in Rival Conquests? Fantastic! Hero Merit from Tap Battle, and more stages after 100? Awesome! EXP and SP aren’t halved when repeating maps? THANK YOU.
This is a very good update, and I’m very excited for it to go live!
Actually, the orbs for tier won’t change. So that seems to be an additional orb on top of your current ones from your tier! The only thing removed is your offensive score rewards, but I believe the 3,000 feathers for the streak will cover that loss, so no harm done.
OH SNAP THAT’S GREAT. Thanks for clarifying!
Whew, thank goodness I held off on sacrificing Camilla for so long. I was never able to find a good Cherche to give BA+ to so Camilla has just been rotting away in uselessness for a year.
I doubt she’ll still be able to replace Myrrh or Michalis, but at least I’ll actually be using her from now on.
“I doubt she’ll still be able to replace Myrrh or Michalis”
In my case, no. The axe/green unit in my flying team is NY!Azura, and hardly I will remove her from my team.
Takumi updates the F2P strats quite nicely, plus, free Close Counter…even if it’s not as good as Distant Counter.
My girl Camilla finally gets her prf weapon, don’t quite know what it’ll do, but it would be neat if it’s ability reflected her other Malig Knight Skill, Trample, or being an improved version of the +Res it gives when equipped. Clair’s is obviously going to be like Ceada’s Wing Sword since that’s what the Rhomphaia does in Echoes. Corrin’s will probably implement boosts to all his stats in some way, whether or not they choose to split the boosts between player and enemy phases…such as +Atk/Spd when you initiate, and +Def/Res when enemy initiates, or maybe make it like Chrom’s Exalt Falchion…it’ll be interesting to see.
Arena changes seem nice, though the stat boosts effectively makes getting the defense feathers harder, even if it’s only for bonus units. It’s not a big deal since the max you’d ever get was 900, which is already getting made up for by the chain bonus in strides. It would be nice though if they did something about matchups so that horse emblems doesn’t plague any team not composed entirely of armors or high BST dragons.
The quality of life improvements are nice, for a while now I’ve just been muting music with my own FE music playing in the background, maybe now I can actually try playing it with the intended soundtrack. Characters not loosing everything when defeated is super nice, though I can’t help but laugh at how all these updates have slowly been making stamina potions obsolete, I’ve got over 300 just hoarded away.
such amazing changes lined up for Heroes! I can’t wait!
What?! No Summoning movies? Dang. Free Close Counter, though, that’s good.
OK, I completed my Kaze’s build:
Bard Shuriken+ (spd), Swap (I don’t have reposition), Iceberg, Death Blow 3, Desperation, Atk Smoke 3 and Distant Def 3 SS.
I was thinking to give him Spd Smoke, and then Atk Smoke SS.
Yuk, Camilla gets a new weapon… I also don’t see why Clair needed a refine tbh.
Overall still getting real sick of all the BS character exclusive weaponry. More weapons need to be inheiritable and several older characters need better weapons to boost stats. With the Harmonious Lance and Poleaxe I was hoping some characters would have been updated to have those but meh…
At least Yato is getting the refine it deserved the second upgrading older characters became a thing
Clair is a blue Caeda.
Caeda without her weapon is not a good unit, and Rhomphaia is effective against Armored and Cavalry units in Echoes, so it will probably be the weapon effect.
I’m not entirely sure how I feel regarding them removing the fact that units that fall lose the EXP and SP they gained in that battle. I honestly thought it was a neat idea, and encouraged strategy in a game where you have no fear of permanently losing units.
this game strays further from the concept of strategy with each update
RRAWRG!
Just use L!Like, Fallen Takumi and a dancer. Ike must have QR in his b slot and CD as his seal
Male Kana is a really good unit! 40 Hp (+5 with refinement), 31 Atk (+14 from the weapon), 33 Spd (36, because I am planning to give him a Spd Refinement), 31 Def (+11 if foe initiates combate and if Kana’s HP < 80%) and 29 Res (+11 if foe initiates combate and if Kana's HP < 80%). At the end, a Kana with Spd Refinement at HP<80% will have 45 HP (at least -20%, of course), 45 Atk, 36 Spd, 42 Def and 40 Res. I will give Kana Vantage and Bonfire. I would give him Res Smoke if I have a extra Robin, but Atk Smoke can works too.
He would be perfect if we have a Distant Counter SS…
I wouldn’t really recommend using debuffs in the c slot when you’ve got access to many powerful support skills there. i’d rather use the seal slot for debuffs since that’s where the weaker buffs are. also, the rest of the smoke skills will without a doubt appear as seals at some point so there’s no need to fodder a Robin
Yeah… for now, Kana has Threaten Res 3. I have Drive Spd and Drive Def available, and all types of spur/hone/fortify skills.
Also, Male Kana was a key unit for me to win the Infernal Kana GHB. He was essencial against the 2 dragons.
If it weren’t for the fact that I’ve already invested so much into Nowi, I would’ve liked to incorporate M Kana into my dragon team considering how surprisingly good he is.
In my opinion, the hardest GHB since the anniversary (which isn’t saying much though)
Took me a few tries, but am really excited for that brazen defense/res
He is definitely top 5 GHB heroes (probably top 3)
it’s probably just the defensive tiles that make it seem like difficult, but I wouldn’t call it one of the hardest. you can easily bait kana and his bros onto normal ground
lol, too easy. Tana on the water tile right of the bridge>guidance>Sheema>win. the red manakete couldn’t even touch her.
This was nice. And I like how even they want to make Warriors 2.
So Darios was intended to come back alive, but for now, he’s dead still.
I want him playable so badly haha.
I would prefer if he wasn’t a clone though, cause when you fight him, he is.
Same but I just really liked him as a character.
I’m surprised that Lon’qu was even considered at all, since he’s just moderately popular with nothing noteworthy to distinguish him from other swords.
I would’ve liked to see what they had to say about Tiki being the only Dragonstone user though.
Koyasu is popular.
Huh. I thought Hector/Takumi would be mainstays on these. Oh well. I’ll save my orbs then! This is a good time to go for IP, though.
Well, this time is Countering Weapons instead of Skills like last time. But we will get our Takumi 4* soon~
True! I just wanted some more DC fodder.
Darios would be a better Season Pass reward than Bride Lucina. A extra playable character would be cool, although he is a Rowan/Lianna clone. I don’t agree for their reasons to why dagger units are not in the game.
In Fates, we have a different Weapon Triangle: Tomes > Bows > Daggers > Tomes. It could be added to the game. Kaze would be a good choice, as well Felicia.
And for the new character for the Awakening Pack, Olivia was a good choice… but I would prefer a dragon unit. Young Tiki is the only dragon in the game, and I would like to have Nowi or even Adult Tiki, both having different movesets than Y!Tiki. Adult Tiki would be a good choice, because while Y!Tiki has a childish moveset, A!Tiki would have a more mature moveset, and both having a support conversation would be interesting (also, Marth x A!Tiki support).
Also, A!Tiki x Y!Tiki Support.
´”…and both having a support conversation would be interesting …”
Luck shined on me today, free summon was Dorcas with +def -res.
Me too! Spd+ Def- but I´m happy anyways~
Nice! No such luck for me, as I only managed a 4* Raigh, though my partner snagged a +Def Hardin for his free summon, so at least one of us was happy haha
“Because the placement of his Brand was not mentioned in the original game,” Uh, it’s on his right hand, isn’t it? Lissa mentions that something is on Owain’s hand during his recruitment in Awakening, and Owain reveals his brand.
Lissa says it’s on his arm, not hand.
“Yeah, I’m fine. I’m… Holy crow! Your arm!” I stand corrected then 😛
Guess there’s no chance of Tellius DLC. Requiescat in Pace
“but since we were able to understand the audience, it was a very enjoyable project.”
Audience: Where’s Ike and Roy?
Hayashi: Sorry, theres too much sword characters… Now shut up and take Lyn, Celica, Navarre, Owain and Olivia!
Bonus: We don’t put Lon’qu on the game because he was another sword character… So we put another sword character instead!
Lon’qu wouldn’t be just another sword character. He’d be another sword clone.
They could make him unique if they want, i mean, i expected that Linde would be a Robin clone but she has her own moveset, if only Lon’qu has a sexy feet…
Based on how they were talking, they figured Lon’qu would be just like that. I did not expect Linde to be a Robin clone, since remember that Robin’s final attack combo is Rexaura, which is pointless for Linde since she’s got the actual Aura.
Well, considerating that Leo has Brynhildr and yet Elise has the exact same moveset as him, i really expected Linde to be an Robin’s clone. I understand what you saying, they share the same archetype so they pretty similar, but i think that if they really want to, they could give Lon’qu a new moveset.
But that’s not the same thing, though. The movesets that Leo and Elise uses are spells that are in Fates, but Leo. But Rexaura is basically like a sub-spell of the actual Aura, which Linde has no need to have. So Leo-Elise wouldn’t work.
They probably could have, but seeing how Olivia fights is something I am okay with. She basically fights as you would expect, as a sword dancer. And I sometimes wonder if that’s how Inigo fights as well.
“Here’s two ocs! With swords!”
I have nothing wrong with the ocs in principal. Heck, I expected it. However, they have swords… On top of their alleged reasoning for not using lords from other titles. I wish that idea someone came up with of them having weapon options was real…
I think they focused more on how Oliva was more a dancer then a sword user.
Let me see if I get their official statements on their main reasoning behind not including Gaius or Lon’qu right…
“Gaius wielded daggers and daggers were a new weapon type then”
…Except he actually wielded Swords, that’s Asugi they’re thinking of.
“if we added Lon’qu, ->ANOTHER SWORD USER<-, in the 3rd DLC Pack (Awakening), well… (painful grin)"
…So you're still going to act like 'too many Swords' was the most pressing concern for you guys, and then give us Olivia, who wields…Swords?
…I'm trying to figure out just how stupid they think we are. It seems like they think we're really stupid. Someone tell me I'm not the only one getting this vibe.
Sword clone. Lon’qu would have ended up as Ryoma/Owain or Lyn/Navarre. Olivia is at least unique moveset.
Broken Amor maybe one of the best choices, to be honest.
Tried for Ryoma today, the only Fates Sibling to have eluded me now that we get Takumi for free, on a whim.
Get 5-star Magic Eirika, who I never wanted, instead. Humph.
PS: I already had 2 5-star normal Eirika too, so. Yea.
This was a very interesting read.
” I would love to make Fire Emblem Warriors 2, but that’s not something we’re working on right now.”
Well, rip. According to their info, they started the development of the game in late 2015. It came out in late 2017.
If they still haven’t considered to start the sequel, that means we won’t be seeing a FEW2 until at least 2020.
But now we also know that the development started before the FEH Choose Your Legend poll, so they had no idea certain characters from older games were so popular. It also explains why Lyn and Celica were added to the game in a rush. Ultimately, we can expect great things from FEW2 when it comes out in the future, and there are good chances of that happening sooner or later given their last statement.
To be fair, Celica is technically a “3DS character” at this point, or at worst advertisement for Echoes. Also, “popular” characters like Reinhardt is a “meme” or sorts based on notoriety and of course the actual memes: “magic is everything” “lol small hands”. Same goes for Dorcas with mutton. I personally don’t really care, and it’d be cool to see these kinds of characters. However, that’s mainly the reasons they’re popular.
We just need to convince them to make FEW2 so we can have more characters!
Sold a million copies, game was a huge success
After the version update, I was expecting some better choices for the three heroes quests. They are not bad… but not that good either. I only see Tiki being used of this three.
Well thanks to Weapon Refinery and life + death, I made Gaius into a glass canon with 46 attack and 40 speed.
Yeah… with Weapon Refinery we can make some units good. But we hardly see Gaius or Gunther in teams on arena or Grand Conquest, and Tiki is only used on Dragon Teams.
The Golden Week’s reward maps are a slap in the face of people who complain about there are too much alternative versions of some units. Today’s map is about Lyn and her five versions.
And its glorious I’m glad lol!
Slap in the face? More like a slap on the thighs, yes please
Three heroes? More like Tike and 300 feathers hehe, the free orbs are always welcome though.
Let’s see how many alts will be feature on the new heroes banner.
Huh, now I look meta for randomly 5S-ing my Awakening Tiki. Cool.
they included Olivia and owain and not Ike or Ephraim or any other character more interesting than these two ooooookkkk…
“Although there are some characters with less conversations… There were times where we couldn’t really piece something together. In the end, I felt a bit lost. There was also a suggestion for “every character to have N conversations”, but it’s no fun if a conversation is forcibly added. Ultimately, there is an imbalance in the number of conversations, but we have to draw the line so we can proceed.”
I feel like this is pretty interesting considering how some people didn’t like Awakening and Fates’ conversations. Though personally I like both FE13/14 and FE15 styles.
Gunter was already apart of the F2P unit pool, but I guess the Hone Cav fodder is always nice. A!Tiki though is particularly nice to get a free copy of, she is a solid unit and Gaius…well…he’s alright on his own, probably gonna be like Matthew and have a very limited utility in F2P strats.
Lene will probably get dropped. The theme of the banner isn’t special enough to keep them all 5* locked. No alts with super great skills or brave heroes (farfetched are also considered brave heroes according to the paralogue, if you don’t believe me check out the first part of the farfetched paralogue). Sword valor isn’t that precious anymore as we’ve got blessings and double SP weekends
I would’ve preferred more Jugdral parents rather than children given how recent Leif and Nanna are, but getting more Jugdral characters is always a good occasion so I don’t mind too much.
Still, I never thought Lene would make it into the game quicker than her mom or even her fellow 2nd gen units given her relative lack of popularity.
Dancers are probably in high demand. Also, you can’t have Ares without Lene or her substitute, but something tells me they’ll skip the substitutes
I think your logic is sound there. Leen’s existence makes up a huge part of Ares role in the plot, as well as recruitment, so it’s no wonder they added her. More Jugdral is always welcome. Just excited to see what they do with Shannan, he better make Ayra look at least somewhat worse lol.
Screw Shannan, i want Shannam!
Good banner, doesn’t last long but adds cool new skills without the powercreep being excessive. Yes, Ares and Ishtar are good, but there are plenty of other good Sword cavs and Blue infantry mages. Their weapons stay decently faithful, though if Mjolner gives that much speed, wtf will Forseti do lol.
AWWW YISSS!!! Got 130 orbs ready for dis.
Love the unit selection this time. Only thing that would make it better is Sety.
Leen looking so bae love it! Ishtar looks great so far worthy pulls for me!
Honestly, all units look great. I don’t care for Olivia, so having Lene as a sword dancer would be nice. Ares looks like an upgrade over his dad.
And Ishtar…has a totally broken moveset, as most probably expected. 😀
Eldigan will get Ares’ upgrade then. Don’t know if that will save him. I’d probably use him as fodder if he had anything worthwhile.
Well, getting to launch a Bonfire in every combat (or maybe even an Ignis every combat, if you can set it up) after the first trigger, that could be a pretty big deal. That’s essentially -3 to special charge after every combat after triggering the special once.
Hmm yeah. I guess it would be a matter of activating it first. I use QR and Bonfire on mine, which would have him proc it in the first round of combat, but if ine could make Vantage work, then units would be forced to eat a Bonfire no matter what. That probably won’t kill bulkier units since his ATK stat isn’t great (and mine is -ATK besides). I saw Ignis and Wrath, but Wrath isn’t available for me. Regardless, while all this might make Ares pretty good, I’m not sure it’s going to distinguish Eldigan enough to get him out of the depths of my bench.
laggalot101 gg
I think they need to tone down on the alts. Fire Emblem has a HUGE varieties of characters that still needs to be given the spotlight: Dozla and Rennac from Sacred Stones; Aideen and Bridget from Holy War, Milady or Guinivere from Binding Blade; what about Sumia from Awakening, or Geoffrey or Lucia from Radiant Dawn? Or my boy Jesse from Gaiden/Echoes? Are they chopped livers, Nintendo? The alts are better for holidays only.
OH MY GOD, YES! Now we have all of Arvis’s spawns. But I thougth that Julius would be a summon to make him more powerful and Ishtar would be the GHB. Whatever, I think I’m pulling.
Lene looks really good~ Also is that Surtr as Infantry on the map?
Why no Ced…. (this is still good though)
I expect Ares to be like his father. Well… at least we now know the true identity of Black Knight.
Looks like someone can receive a weapon evolution now. Eldigan enter to the list, alongside Chrom and Brave Lyn.
Lene looks to be a better version of Olivia. Safeguard is a really good weapon, being the DEF version of Berkut Lance. Having Firestorm Dance and Sword Valor makes her very useful for training. This makes me want Olivia to receive Olivia’s Blade as her
exclusive weapon. Another dance who should receive a exclusive weapon is Azura (Blessed Lance). Also, why we only have
Sword Valor in the summoning pool?
Ishtar is a monster! Having, in odd-numbered turns, +10 Atk/Spd during combat is awesome. I believe she will have between 30 and 35 spd. Atk Wave can be useful for Blade Tome users, and because of the name I expect Even Wave skills too.
It’s hard to say if we will have a unit demoted from this banner. Lene is a possibility, but her base skill set is good. We need to see her stats…
I don’t know what to expect for Julius. In Genealogy of Holy War, Loptyr “adds a bonus of +5 Res to its user and halves enemy attack
before defense-related stats are applied”. Loptyr in Heroes can be: “Grants Res+3. Reduces damage from foe’s first attack by 50% (or 30%)”.
He know Surtr Jr. is a Axe unit. I believe he will be a infantry unit, so he will have something different from his father.
Also, having skill for odd-numbered and even-numbered turns make beast units like Kaden and Keaton near to reality (Evenhanded, Even Better, Odd Shaped and Better Odds).
And thanks Naga, we don’t have alternative versions in this banner.
Edit: Sorry for the text. I am only expressing my thoughts.
Technically, Mystletainn already has a special upgrade, so this should be interesting to see.
That’s right.
Ephraim’s Siegmund is another weapon that has a refinement (Hone Atk 3 and makes a guaranteed follow-up attack when initiates combat when HP>90%) and a evolution (Grants Atk+3 and makes a guaranteed follow-up attack if there are more foes and allies around him).
I consider Flame Siegmund better than Normal Siegmund, and I think the same about Dark Mystletainn. I am not a huge fan of Fury, but I know it is good skill, so if IS decide to give Eldigan acess to Dark Mystletainn, I would give him his son’s weapon.
Thankfully I have some orbs over from my Spd Tactic endeavour. Will especially focus on Ares here. A bit disappointed there’s no Altenna in sight, though.
On another note, my Sheema is finally +10. Took long enough, considering she was my second 5*.
Forget it, I refused to get trolled on this new Banner, I’ve suffered enough from the Legendary Hero Banner, and Performing Arts Inigo is where I draw the line (along with that old coot Wrys who ruined everything)!
As for the new “Hellfire” story chapter? I’m looking forward to kill that evil bastard Surtr once and for all, he will pay for ruining my only chance of getting a free Gunnthra! Surtr, you’re DEAD!
Looks like another skip for me, I’m sure they’re all going to be great units, but I don’t care much for Genealogy. I’m glad though to see them add another dancer into the normal summon pool, especially with Lene looking to be the obvious 4* demotion choice.
It’s good that all the games are getting reps but in the west most players haven’t experienced these Japan only games and couldn’t care less about these banners. I am one of those people.
They need more banners and more low level characters in general at this point. A sort of reset of the star pools with new Beast folk units and several 3-4 star additions would have been great a month ago but now everything is getting stretched so thin with this cookie cutter approach to releasing small crumbs of only the most “important” characters from the most obscure games in the series.
It certainly also doesn’t help that most of the characters from the Shouzou Kaga era of FE didn’t have a lot of characterization if any since support conversations didn’t exist prior to FE6…which even then it took until FE7 for them to hit their stride in that regard.
I do agree too that we need more characters getting added to the 3/4* pool, perhaps what they could do is go through all the games that didn’t get reps in Vanilla FEH and add in mass a bunch of the less important characters and give them the same BST and skill distributions treatment as characters like Cordelia, Laslow, or Bartre. They can still continue with these big important banners, but they could use these mass addition banners also and promote these units in a similar fashion to the fodder banners.
I mean no one really cared about Reinhardt, Ayra, etc. till Heroes. Bar of course the people who played FE 4. However, I agree with the fact it’s kinda dumb they’re often making these characters 5*. Also, in a way, it’s sort of a shame their reputation might boil down to “they were op in heroes”. Maybe even “they used to be op in heroes”.
Reinhardt was in 5 not 4
I know this is nothing related to this news but… Yato upgrade is kinda… Disappointing, i know, it’s based on his personal skill from fates, but it’s situational at best, i think Marth is still the Drive king here.
They probably waiting for Legendary Corrin to give us the Omega Yato, but probably L!Corrin will be an F!Corrin alt so… RIP in peperoni corn boy, you have my condolences.
Now my 2nd 5* Camilla comes back to my Flier Emblem~
Here lies Corrin’s hopes and dreams… It’s not a bad refinament, but is kinda disappointing…
Can someone tell me what “Guided” changes? I’m not really sure what’s different now. I have it on, and have no clue what it’s doing?
likey it shows the ai full moves so you know why so guy warped in front of you
Nice to finally see a change in the opening character set. Wish they had summoning movies for these characters too.
Agreed!
I didn’t notice that Chrom and Lucina got the Sealed Falchion. I can only imagine how good Fury Lucina is with that and Desperation. The bond refine was probably better on regular Chrom anyway because he was a better tank. Glad to see this!
And not masked marth? too bad!
No, Masked Marth gets it too, I just consider her Lucina haha.
It’s actually quite cool that both Hinoka’s and Camilla’s prf weapons are referencing their siblings with all 3 of Hinoka’s being infantry and all 3 of Camilla’s being horseback.
Clair is now just a lance version of Ceada, which is really good, and potentially better with the large number of reds that show up. And Corrin’s refinement is kind of neat and is actually quite good so long as you remember to always have him on a team with someone he supports with. The down side to it though is that enemies don’t have supports so it’s useless for arena defense.
Haha, they think older players will actually use those Feathers to upgrade Alphonse, Sharena, and Anna…that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all week.
Especially since mine are already 5*, those feathers are going straight to making my Camilla +10…I’m just waiting for a +spd/-hp one, I got a +atk/-hp one, but I think that is less optimal than +spd.
I don’t know, I’ve actually long ago updated these three to 5* so it’s really just payback for the feathers I already spent. (They are actually pretty decent once they’re 5*, Alphonse and Anna anyway).
I feel very validated that Lene gets a spot in Heroes after being bashed by Laylea fans for so long. 😀 And I have a ton of blue mages but I still want Ishtar badly.
Moment of silence for Helbindi
Helbindi and Ylgr? I ship that!
Uh…..you need a healer…
Sorry, I didn’t know someone would think that way like you
Your a creep…
That’s rather rude, don’t you think?
Uh….no
Yes, it is. And come on, always upvoting your own comments?
No its not freedom to judge and they are putting them in the bad please gtfo….
I thought it was freedom of speech… Anyway, even if I don’t agree with someone’s opinion doesn’t mean I go around insulting them because of it. That’s called being rude. You’re free to do it, but let’s call it by its name.
If you disagree with someone I’m sure you can manage to express that without resorting to insults.
Are you insinuating it’s alright to mock others you don’t know because you don’t agree with them? You need to rethink your life if your answer is anything but a negative.
Mocking what? someone that’s trying to put bad reception of a character that’s clearly not that type of guy and would look very bad please just gtfo to anyone that think something like this is ok just leave….
I won’t touch on the nature of shipping itself, but calling others creeps for superficial reasons is unjustifiable no matter the context. Helbindi and Ylgr are bare-bones in character at the moment, so there’s no faulting fans for drastically altering pre-existing personalities as such a thing doesn’t exist at the moment; Bruno and Veronica were heavily shipped back when they were still unknown, but many of their shippers bailed out once they were fleshed out and more aspects of their characters came to light such as their blood relations.
The Fire Emblem fandom in general is and has always been quite keen on shipping, both pre-Awakening and post-Awakening. You act as if this was the first occurrence of such a thing in the franchise’s 28-year life.
Too bad Helbindi is dead, an overgrown evil brute and that little girl don’t mix anyway.
It’s actually quite possible Helbindi managed to retreat – his final line starts ‘can’t die yet’ which is ambiguous enough to imply he may have made it out. Perhaps not likely, but certainly not impossible.
With 65 orbs, I got 2 5-stars: Lene and Delthea.
My free summon was a 4 stars Shigure, for my surprise. Ward Fliers as 4 stars is always good.
I think the best summon from today was a 4 stars +Atk -Res Marth. I already promoted him and now he is Lv40+7. More 3 to go!
Lene is +Spd – Atk. Having 38 Atk is bad… But she is a dancer so Atk is not important. I believe she will be demoted.
Also, her weapon is pretty good! She has 23 Def, but during enemy’s turn she has 30! I don’t know what refinement I will choose. I am between Def, so she can have 34 Def in enemy’s turn, or Res, so she can have 32 and be really resistent to both Def and Res. Also, she needs the +5 HP from the refined weapon.
Got Ishtar and god damn she’s amazing as expected its Ishtar after all!
You could put the £ price as well… There’s more currencies than just those two.
He probably wasn’t thinking of it at the time. No biggie
Lene looks cool, but I think I’m gonna pass on this banner for once.
Spent 150 orbs and got Ares (-Atk), Soleil (-atk), Lyn (sword), Sanaki, so my 5* rate has been good. I’m aiming for Lene and Ishtar though, so a tad annoyed I’m not able to get them yet.
Eldigan destroyed my Ayra hopes thrice, and now his son has stopped me getting Lene. That family hates me.
Helbindi…press F to pay your respects.
Also, Ylgr is a fake and is actually just Loki in disguised…I’m calling it right now.
Pam finds Gunnthra in the shower and the previous chapter was a dream. Gunnthra is given as a free unit to celebrate the update.
I ended up getting Hardin and 4 star Sothe. No complaints. It would be cool to get Ishtar, though.
Managed to get Ishtar practically for free (9 orbs into summoning), and, many more orbs later, an Ares too. Both -Atk/+Res. And this after pulling not one, but two -Atk L!Ephraims (+Spd, +Res) on the last banner. I think I’m sensing a pattern. Time to save up and try for Lene…wonder what her bane will be if I manage to pull her! >_<
Got an Ishtar on my second session. Nothing more for me in this banmer, though I’d like to summon a 4* Nanna. But any banner works for that.
God DAMN pulling for Ishtar was a bitch
Had both Miciah and Delthea break my pity streak
Goodbye 80+ orbs, hello +Def -Res Ishtar
3 good blue mages in around 80 orbs is pretty amazing, actually. At least you got her too, congrats!
Pfft, that Helbindi was a pushover, good thing he’s dead, he’s out of our sights. And I’ve managed to save that Ylgr, but how did she know my name? Fjorm was going to introduce her to me, but then she coughed, and Ylgr said my name out of the blue. …Could it be that Ylgr is…a spy?! …Nah, it couldn’t be, there’s no way Ylgr is a spy, and by “spy” I mean “Loki in disguise”, nope, no way, not possible! Ylgr was Helbindi’s prisoner, and I rescued her! Intelligent Systems better not kill off Ylgr the same way they killed off Gunnthrá, because that would be sickening! I’m on to you, Intelligent Systems!
It’s not confirmed that Helbindi is dead, like the other character you love.
The phrase: “I can’t die yet… Not yet…” can also means maybe he decided to run away.
Anna mentioned “One squad down”, but not Helbindi’s Death. I believe he will return. IS would not introduce a new unit and kill him in the same chapter. Even the character you love so much took some months until her’s death.
Anna said “one squad down”, but guess what, kid? Helbindi was part of that squad who is down, therefore Helbindi is pretty much dead, and his sister will be in the next chapter to try to avenge him. And honestly, Helbindi isn’t all that tough, not even in Lunatic mode, unlike Ishtar and Ares (two of the Genealogy characters that this Goddamn game won’t let me summon, I might add)! Also, did you just mention Gunnthrá, the one Legendary Hero who was killed off by Surtr and Intelligent Systems, just to ridicule me because you summoned her and I didn’t?! That’s low, even for you, kid!
Well… I only put the possibility of he being alive. There is no reason to be agressive. And all Múspell’s generals are not that hard to defeat. Surtr could be easily be defeated if he didn’t have that Múspellflame skill. He is the boss, but don’t have Distant Counter.
And yes, I have a Gunnthrá, +3 to be more precise.
Oh, Surtr will soon be defeated, when the Summoner (like me) will shoot him in order to nullify the Múspellflame skill, permanently! It’s over for Helbindi, he’s out, dead, so the next enemy to be killed will be his sister, along with Laevatein, Laegjarn, Loki, and finally Surtr! Surtr’s end is near, Gunnthrá will be avenged!
You have more than one Gunnthrá? Then you ARE ridiculing me, you and your fellow trolls who summoned her easily, even as a freebie! Not cool, kid, not cool at all!
You’re the real child here in these comments if you can’t even back yourself in discussions without resorting to insulting your opponent.
Helbindi is most certainly going to reappear; Fire Emblem has always adhered to the Law of Conservation of Detail, so he’s automatically an important figure solely by merit of possessing a unique design, voice, and backstory. Plus, FEH’s nature as a gacha game means Helbindi and the other Muspellians are likely to receive playable variations since they already possess the necessary prerequisites which would otherwise go to waste.
Oh look, another good for nothing troll here to gloat over the fact that you summoned Gunnthrá easily where I failed! Well, I’m not listening to your gloating or your usual trolling!
Also, wrong again, these evil Muspellians aren’t worth being playable, they will all die, removed from the game, and you don’t have the balls to prove that they will be playable like the Brave version of evil princess Veronica! Helbindi is dead, his dying breath after this new chapter proves it all, he’ll be replaced by his sister in the next chapter! Anna said “one squad down”, and it so happens that Helbindi was part of the squad, meaning he’s officially dead! Good riddance to that pushover Helbindi. Top that, you gloating troll!
There was literally not a single mention of Gunnthrá in my post, and I certainly didn’t have any ease with getting her like you suggest I did – a combined total of 280 orbs between the first three focuses she was in, and she ended up being -ATK +HP which is pretty bad.
You didn’t even provide any points to counteract me since you just repeated what you stated earlier in the comment thread. Barring Surtr and Loki, FEH drops frequent hints on the displeasure of the other major Muspellians under Surtr’s service, which in a typical FE game is usually indicative of defection. Laegjarn is shaping up to be a Camus archetype, but the chances of defection on the part of Laevatein and Helbindi isn’t unreasonable. Helbindi in particular is currently the most likely of the Muspellians to defect to Askr, since his primary motivation seems to be ensuring safety and quality of life for his sister, which Askr can provide.
Plus, Fire Emblem has played the old trick of a seemingly defeated person turning out to be alright on numerous occasions in the past. That’s further support for the case of Helbindi’s survival.
To hell with this Banner, I refuse to get trolled any further!
That’s your reaction on practically every new banner; please stop with the attention-whoring.
Oh, that reminds me, I also refuse to listen to the gloating from you glory hogs who always succeeded into summoning those powerful Heroes the first time in every new Banner. You like it when this game trolls me with weaker Heroes? For shame, troll!
Nobody but you cares if you summon those heroes or not.
Don’t want to know about other players succeeding? Don’t read comments.
Don’t want this game to continue “trolling” you? Just stop playing.
Alternatively. Just ignore them. They’ll go away eventually
Yeah I know, shouldn’t engage. But yesterday was just one of those days where I was tired of humankind’s less flattering attributes and I let the constant negativity get to me. And ignoring so far has done nothing. Unfortunately negative things or people don’t go away when you ignore them, most of the time. Unfortunately neither do they go away when you engage them, most of the time. Sometimes you just can’t win.
Oh yeah, I’m sympathetic to that. To me, I just think it’s their goal to get a reaction out of people, so it’s worth trying to deny them that, or at least not letting them think that you care. But it’s frustrating for sure, as the Internet always lays bear our more disappointing traits
…Before today I haven’t pulled anything solid or good in like seven Banners, and I’M tired of hearing you. Just stop. Please.
I’m going for Ishtar, she’s beautiful!
Feel like I had some luck here. 155 orbs gave me Ares x2, Leen, Ishtar and a +Spd/-Def green Olwen. Can’t be too disappointed.
Got Ares for my free summon. Definitely want to get Ishtar.
The bad luck streak has ended at last – Ishtar on blind 3% after three failed Blue Orbs for the Alt. Account. I’m starting to wonder if perhaps I shouldn’t be making it my main account since the last several times my luck has gone upwards it’s always been on that account…
I realized I pull pretty much exclusively on Legendary Hero Banners now, though I clearly won’t be as well off as I was for the last one. New heroes (and special heroes) are enticing too, but the odds are so poor I haven’t bothered. Still, I know we’ll get some incredibly broken Laguz lords eventually, and I am going to unload when we do.
Me too. I would love to get some New brides, and maybe grooms, but I am with zero orbs and I need to get every single orb for the Legendary Banner. I will probably try the Special banner after the Legendary Banner.
Somehow the last Legendary banner was very unappealing for me personally. So I didn’t really spend much of anything on it. Ended up with a Shigure, who I already had. Weirdly I did try to get the new archer Hinoka and had no luck, but on the new banner I managed to get Ishtar reasonably easily at 3.25% and then took the 5th orb which was colorless just because it was the cheapest and there she was… Kinshi Knight Hinoka… oh the irony. Well, can’t complain though. And I did get the new Shigure, and though I don’t really need him (there were no colorless orbs in that round) I have to admit he is very lovely. Will try to get Lene, and then save orbs for all that may be coming.
I think you really have to be okay with 2-3 or the units for the color you’re pulling to make it worth a shot. I pulled Henry, two Jakobs, Lyn, Genny, and three Vikes (wasn’t trying for red) in 300 orbs, for instance, as I try to build a competitive armor team.
Glad you got Hinoka though — that’s really lucky — and Ishtar scares me to death
That’s still a good haul though! I love my VL Ike and Jakob’s good when built well. Don’t have the rest.
This time I had most of the units in the banner and not a lot of interest in the ones I didn’t.
Good luck with that armor team. I’m currently trying to make Jakob, Tharja, Robin and Grima work as an armor team. But it’s experimental. I used to run something like Amelia, BK, Effie and Hector. I haven’t really found something that works for me yet. I’ll continue switching units in and out and rounding out their skillsets. Still not armor’s greatest fan due to the movement restrictions.
Thanks, it was. Just felt ironic after trying on her banner and failing. I’ll test her out over the weekend. But her stats + skillset seem pretty insane for sure. Mine’s -Def/+Res so that’s not bad. All the more reason to bring a high res green unit… If only there was one dealing physical damage… Wait, is that what green bow Lyn was for? Though her res isn’t _that_ high. A green dragon with a DC breath weapon will also work 🙂
Or just don’t let her initiate, her defense is like paper.
My armors up until this point had been BK, Effie (Brave with Armored Boots), Hector, and Sheena. I’ve been running Hrnry and Grima as the greens now, and running a potent second line of Arden, Eliwood, Hector, and Jakob. But armors haven’t really been working out for me either, also because of the movement. I’ve just seen some very potent teams in arena and I’ve been trying to get those orbs from the GHB quests. Your group seems pretty ideal to me. Robin has March and Tharja breaks so many matchups. There’s definitely some balance between ranged armors and arnors with DC to find. I kind of wonder if going all armor mages might be the best.
I really underestimated Vike, and all mine are +DEF, but I don’t need 4. I’m thinking of giving Warding Breath to a bunch of dragons, but I don’t have any of the dragon buffs but Kana’s.
I tell myself Ishtar can’t be as scary as Reinhardt, with less movement and no brave tome, but I’m not sure I believe it.
Henry and Grima is nice. I’d probably keep BK if Arden is your alternative. I’ve not really used Eliwood much yet so I don’t know how well he does.
I actually have a couple other nice armors around but I can’t seem to find a really good combination of them. Too many greens especially. I think my problem is finding proper synergy between what I have.
With two armor march units it becomes ok but at the same time you’re giving up two C-slots in which you could have armor buffs.
Robin, I love Robin, more than Tharja even. He has never let me down. But he’s neither ranged nor has DC so I keep thinking I should maybe replace him (and I don’t have a DC to put on him nor do I really want to).
I’m using the neutral VL Ike, since my other one was -Def. He’s fine, and my Raven’s best buddy *g*
I’ve had a hard time finding a home for that one Warding Breath I have now. I was considering Grima, but then I had a surprise Fjorm and put Atk/Def Bond on him instead. Now I still don’t know where to put it.
I don’t think she will be, but then again… maybe she will… you’ll need a really fast green at the very least? I think I’ll try with Raven, Nino and my TA raven Inigo (he is +Spd and +4). Got anything green, with TA or fast or high res or all of the above? Although I think you may need physical damage to deal with her properly. Actually Hector might be a good counter. Grima too.
Arden has worked out really well for me on that squad, because with the Brave Sword, Jakob’s Hone buff, and Hector and Eliwood’s Goad buffs, he destroys everything on player phase, especially because will quad and has Ignis. So he might actually literally kill everything on initiation. But he has the same problems we’ve been talking about: he’s exclusively a player phase unit, has no DC or range, and has that one move, so I usually keep the Black Knight on my first armor line.
Robin is really tough to kill. Brazen Atk/Spd seems awesome. Eliwood is probably similar, except he’s more enemy phase. He’s got a 52/52/35/29/29 spread with Spd refine pre-Fire Boost and I run QR and the Close Def seal on him. Really powerful, but with all the issues of the single-range, single-move, no DC armors.
I think Warding Breath can go on any unit that would take Steady Breath but has the Res or inclination to counter mages. That’s what led me to think dragons, since they have good Res and Lightning Breath. I believe Warding Breath and Vengeful Fighter are redundant, so I’m glad you didn’t end up doing that (unless you run Bold Grima)
I’m not too concerned about Ishtar if I can hit her on player phase. But I don’t know the list of units that could tank her and counter her at this point. I suspect that Hector definitely can, and Grima probably can as well. I have about 5-6 TA Gronnraven users because of the Reinhardt/Lyn meta, but I will have to see how they stack up. I prefer to run Micaiah, Sothe, Axura, and Genny in arena, and I’m not bored of them yet, so I don’t want to make any changes yet.
You definitely have a point. I’ve just had zero fun even just training him up XD Armor movement but purely player phase just seems very tedious to me.
I’ve got Lance Breaker on him and I’ve never looked back. Brazen Atk/Spd is great. He’s definitely mixed phase. Tannenboom gives an EP buff, but he hardly needs it, so he’s fine in PP too.
Eliwood’s really nice too, but I’ve not actually tried him in an armor team so far. My Robin’s stats are very similar. I had +HP – Spd, not ideal but eh. 50/52/34/35/25. With Brazen Atk/Spd active and in enemy phase with the Tannenboom it gets to 50/62/43/37/27, so that’s really nice before buffs. (My Tanneboom has +Spd because of the bane)
Dragons are definitely a consideration. We’ll see. I’m holding on to it for now.
If I ever have an extra Bold Fighter I may end up giving it to Grima.
Raven can bait her. At least mine can. Of course that means he still has to kill her in player phase.
Nino definitely works. So bunny Sharena or any green mage with a similar statline probably works as well, despite Ishtar’s high res. Grima will absolutely kill her easily since the breath weapon has adaptive damage and will hit her defense. He’s got the HP pool and res to tank her np.
If you’ve got a high res high atk blue mage with blue tomebreaker, may also work. A green mage with TA. Felicia, Innes, might work. I don’t know, I think any Reinhardt counter should at least not die to her when baiting.
Of your list depending on the sets and IVs I suspect Micaiah or PA Azura could work. Although Micaiah is slow. But I have no experience with her, don’t have one.
I’m still running VL Ike, Raven, Inigo and Fjorm 🙂 well, with changing one out for arena season.
Oh I definitely agree. Arden is not a first-team armor unit. I find I can only play with enemy phase armors, since I pretty much expect enemies to come to me before I get to them, and with everyone pivoting, I can’t get them out of the way like I can with my horses. Suffice it to say, I’m a mess with armors. At least Robin himself carries March, so he’s almost always moving, and strong enough to initiate.
I’m holding off on dragons. They aren’t a unit type for quests, and I will probably never get all the buffs since they’re all locked behind 5* units exclusively. Much like armors, I’m not even sure of the ideal buff combination.
I’m very confident Azura can tank Ishtar and kill her on player phase. I’m less confident that that is a sound strategy. So really when I say I’m afraid of her, I mean that I’m not confident Micaiah can tank or kill her. My Micaiah is +DEF/-ATK of all things, but she is S supported by Sothe (naturally) who still carries his Spur Atk/Spd as well as Drive Atk. With Azura’s Drive Spd, she gets up to about 57/39 Atk/Spd, which is still not enough to avoid getting doubled. She does carry the QR seal, but with -ATK, you’d be surprised what she doesn’t kill (or maybe not, because it’s -ATK).
That Vike, Raven, Inigo core seems pretty strong. I might give that a shot, just to mess around with. My Raven is built like yours, but he’s kind of languishing because I can’t use Player Phase units really.
I’ve found Swap much more useful with armors than pivot. They prefer to stay together. But without any armor march I can see how that can get really annoying. Player phase armor without that skill seems completely unusable. Robin really is fine on both phases, so I’ll likely keep him for the blue armor slot.
I don’t have a dragon team either but I have a couple usable dragons, they work well in non-dragon teams too. Though it’s Ninian who gets the most use and that’s mostly because she’s a dancer. Have to say though she’s perfectly capable when she needs to fight for a change.
She definitely doesn’t seem like the best candidate to go up against Ishtar.
I’ve had fun playing with mine over the weekend. I finally built a wind blessing team around Gunnthra and I put her on it. It’s an odd team to be sure, Arvis, Felicia, Gunnthra and depending on if I need a physical tank or not, Oboro or Ishtar. But with all that debuffing going on between Valflame, Ploys and Chilling Seal and Felicia’s Plate if needed, Gunnthra hits like a freight train with Blizzard and it works surprisingly well. I didn’t know what to do for the wind blessings for the longest time.
That’s interesting *g* I really prefer player phase, so I’m happy with him. Though he does enemy phase decently well on the first engagement. Galeforce has saved me so many times in arena. Coupled with his ability to kill most things. Inigo takes care of both Bow Lyn and Reinhardt for me, so I keep him in despite his terrible BST.
It has become less, but on defense that core still gets me wins, and really, one is enough anyway.
I’ve got the distant defense seal on my VL Ike and use him as a green mage killer.
I tried Swap first and wasn’t having much luck, since it doesn’t really move them. Pivot keeps them together and can see them move three spaces at a time. But maybe I just need March to take advantage of it.
Grima is actually my only dragon, so I’m a long-way away. I should try to mess around with my blessing teams. I just kind of put them together randomly. Ephraim and Vike work with anybody, doesn’t seem to care much either, and my Lyn is -SPD, so I think there’s no saving that. I might’ve at least put some different move types with Ike or some horses with Ephraim, but I did not.
My crew is really good on offense, because Genny can crowd control and kill just about anybody with dancer support and Sothe kills everybody, especially with his buff/debuff. Micaiah either does nothing or everything, obviously, depending on team composition. It does look like I’m dropping into Tier 17 with the new update, which I’m not at all pleased with.
I guess they’ll be old bride vs new bride which I’m fine with!
The new TT+ will happens during the seasonal banner. Maybe, like what happened with the New Year banner (Corrin) and the Love Abound banner (Eliwood), the TT reward can be a seasonal unit.
Also, with the constant discussions between Masked Marth and Loki in Tempest Trials, Masked Marth could return as a TT reward again, specially now the unit received the Sealed Falchion in the refinery.
Yeah I see this happening
Yes, Masked Marth and Loki are somewhat like a iconic duo in TT+.
At least this Marth alternate has a place were he can be.
Which is really funny, when you think about it, considering Loki’s been a thing for maybe five or six months tops while Merth has been with TTs since the first one. Who would have guessed, right?
No more bridal banners I’m so sick of Waifu Emblem.
I am hoping for grooms this time… at least 2 of them… maybe Groom Marth.
I hope I don’t come off as rude, but you could just ignore the banner and focus on the other ones at that are out at that time.
It’s not about my orb count or focus. I don’t want them in the game at all. Every character they make takes time, energy, effort, and money, all of which is better spent on other units. Particularly ones that aren’t already in the game.
Every character they make results in $$$, at least some of which goes to making the next characters. (I agree I hate the bridal banners, beach banners, valentine banners… I would love all that fanservice to go away, but it is making IS money so it is what it is.)
Oh absolutely. But their reputation also had monetary value to them. So if consumers like me complain about it, that can contribute to their discontinuation.
I always send feedback, too. Gotta do what you can!
Eh, it’s only something like non-seasonal alts and Lyn that gets to IS’s attention. Seasonals make a lot of money for IS and make many people happy for being fanservicey. I don’t see them abandoning this practice as abandoning it could have a negative effect for a majority of the whales
I like alts generally, because it provides an opportunity to imagine the characters living their lives. I loved Love Abounds because it was really sweet imagining the Elibe cast in life after Blazing Blade, and it wasn’t fan service-y.
My problem is not with alts, broadly, it’s with this shitty waifu banner. This isn’t imagining characters in their universe, it’s imagining them married to you and it’s creepy as hell.
I mean, I don’t disagree. I’m just saying they have options for alts if they want to explore them. I’m more fine with Bride Caeda than Bride Cordelia for instance, and a marriage banner that pairs brides and grooms could be cute.
Regardless, I don’t think there’s much to gain from complaining about it publically. It just aggravates certain parts of the fandom and welcomes charges of “elitism”, whatever that means
You’re right, Bride Caeda pretty good. If they wanted to tailor the banner to be actual brides, I’d be way more okay with it.
And yeah haha elitism. I don’t really care what they say. They’re free to get mad at me and say whatever they want. But I think if more people with my opinion spoke up, they’d be a larger percentage of the playerbase (or potential playerbase) than most people realize. Plus, it costs me nothing and it’s kinda fun. I get interactions like this to remind me about Bride Caeda. I value that.
it’s a necessary evil if you ask me. besides, they’re not that frequent.
either you have all of the characters come into the game without any seasonal which results in the lifespan of the game being much shorter or you prolong the game’s lifespan by introducing reskins
i don’t like some of the stuff IS does, but there are certain things you can’t just change
It is in no way necessary. I put emphasis on new units, but there’s a lot of other things they could do. Not all seasonals are bad. It’s just this banner and I’m also not a fan of summer, but I’m more lenient on it. But all these alts that have been on regular banners could have been here instead. Or do more.
It’s probably just a popular trend among gatcha games so I guess that’s where they started off with seasonals. Of course IS is bearing in mind that they need to prolong the game’s lifespan
Too freaking bad its making LOTS of money and has a higher broad audience appeal quit whining….
Are there stats out on which banners make more money for them? I’d love to see them.
Also, it’s in my best interest to whine, so I’m gonna keep doing it. Just like it’s in your best interest to hump your body pillow to pretend you’re not a virgin
Oh please piss off you elitist cuck no one give AF about your whining I’ll enjoy more popular waifu appeal and see toxic heaps like you cry!
I don’t know how hating a specific seasonal banner makes me elitist, but I’m being nice to the other people who responded to me. They seem nice.
You don’t.
I actually don’t care about the Waifu myself.
Only the immature horny brats on here who can’t fap at night are using this as an excuse to keep the Fire Emblem series going, why because they don’t give a shit about the true essence of Fire Emblem and that is the story and the characters. Sex appeal isn’t the only money milking cow in the market you know? If you want Waifus, there’s pornhub. Go there. We want diverse number of characters that is anything but Awakening and Fates 24/7.
I care about him… I will always love him…
What’s wrong with being a virgin 🙁
Nothing but I felt it added to the main focus of the joke: humping a body pillow.
Bless
nothing. just a cat fight going on here
Just ignore this guy….. toxic guys like him are just the minority to not care for that moan and whine ALL the time it does show the very bad side of the western fanbase which they are not fans to begin with…
Okay you have a good point but he’s also really funny so I’m torn.
All taken care of *ignored* and just a laughable afterthought like most toxic dung under my shoe moving on!
I sure love such interesting outfits such as *insert character here* with a dress or suit on /s. Really makes me appreciate good design like in Love Abounds
Groom Benny to match Bridal Charlotte, that’s what I want. Oh and I guess a Marth one too but at this point it’s become a meme that he’ll never get an alt.
That would be a good idea, having grooms matching the brides from the other banner. Benny for Charlotte, Marth for Caeda, Eliwood or Hector for Lyn and any Awakening character who is not Chrom for Cordelia.
This is something I never understood. We can’t make Chrom and Cordelia a couple, but Olivia, who is recruitable in the final chapter of Part 1, can be Chrom’s wife.
I would love groom Eliwood, though I never shipped him with Lyn. Groom Florina? XD That would be fun.
I guess Chrom realized she had him so far up on a pedestal he’d better stay away. Nothing against Cordelia but that archetype is kind of terrible? And apparently some people are into the unrequited love thing. *shrugs*
I guess Olivia was put in that way as some kind of failsafe? If you’d already married off the other candidates.
It’s also just really funny to pair Olivia and Chrom. Cordelia isn’t really much of a character outside of unexplained love for Chrom (he’s pretty, I’ll admit, but he’s not that pretty). At least Catria was and continued to be a complete person.
I never got enough of a sense of Lyn’s personally to have a good ship for her. Rath maybe? Otherwise, Fiorina is probably best.
Whatever she seems in him is not who he is so it’s a good thing that wasn’t possible (for both of them)… can’t explain her fixation any other way. Olivia is just fun and cute and sweet all round.
Your love for Catria is undying *g*
And I absolutely agree that it’s good to have more to a character’s personality than “is crazy in love with x”.
I’ve probably mentioned before that I’m not a big fan of Lyn, but her interactions with Florina were some of the few I actually enjoyed. Rath seems fine as a pairing. It was certainly a popular one.
But Florina in a groom’s outfit? Now there’s an incongruous mental picture with a lot of potential appeal. Might just be me though XD
Yeah I agree that I don’t like the unrequited love trope. Well, I don’t mind it because it does happen in life, but I like when it is overcome, and people realize they can a good match for themselves somewhere else, as opposed to fantasizing endless about someone who isn’t a good fit.
I do think Catria is really cool. I hesitate to say I love her in the days of Waifu Emblem, because that’s definitely not what I’m going for… maybe I should cut back…?
Yeah I did remember that. I have a lot of nostalgia for Lyn as my first Fire Emblem character (she addresses you!) and first FEH pull. I will get emotional any time I hear Wind Across the Plains. But beyond that, I think she’s pretty bland and all-together underwritten in most of the plot. I didn’t feel like I needed any of the Lyn variant, in other words.
I support Groom Florina. It’s my favorite Lyn pairing anyway (if canonically platonic). I just figure Rath is likely canon, given their backgrounds.
It would’ve been a much better character arc if she had moved on from it in the end. But mostly all supports I saw even if you marry her to anyone else she remains fixed on Chrom which is just… unhealthy and very unfair to whoever becomes her husband.
Yeah, it does happen, but hopefully most times people at least see the real person or eventually move on.
It’s ok, I think. *g*
FE 7 was my first one too so I’ve had the same experience, only somehow from the start she didn’t work for me. I used to play with people aroubd and read the dialogue out loud and I hate to say, she was not popular. I can’t even really put my finger on it anymore, I’d have to go back (again).
Yay!
I know what you mean with canonically platonic, but I struggle with it somewhat because I thought those two flirted with each other more than either did with anyone else, but ymmv on that *g* Certainly Rath seems like the most plausible canon outcome if it’s anyone from the FE 7 characters.
Oh I agree. I mean that I don’t mind the trope when the character does outgrow it and is able to move on. Cordelia’s arc, like a lot of Awakening narratives, remains a bit too heavy-handed.
I’m sympathetic, but I never expected IS to give us any sort of FlorinaxLyn thing, so I defaulted to Rath. I’d love to see it though (I generally dream of an FE7 remake that writes Lyn into the main plot, but that’s an aside. Her narrative is interesting, growing up entirely in Sacae, losing her family, living alone, moving to Caelin for new family, never really fitting into Lycian politics, and then ceding Caelin to Ostia (which would’ve caused a political uproar) and return anonymously to Sacae again. I find that fascinating. It’s just that it happens entirely through the game telling you the sequence and not really letting you interact with the character through the events.
I definitely didn’t expect it either, but it would have been amazing. And it seemed like easily Lyn’s most genuine connection to someone.
If they write her better and give her personality a remake too, I’d be up for it. Well not so much her personality as write her as less stupid? I would really have to go back to give you any specific examples.
The narrative is definitely not a bad one, but it could’ve been done a lot better.
I think part of why I dislike Lyn is because she did have a lot of potential but it was squandered entirely.
Completely unrelated my quest to get Lene has turned somewhat bizarre. I’m not terribly lucky with summoning, but at least I’m usually comparatively lucky enough to get focus units instead of other 5* units most of the time. I do get the occasional pity breaker, but mostly I get focus units. Doesn’t mean it’s the right one but, you know.
But trying to summon Lene… I’ve got an Alm, Ayra, Gray and Saber so far… and I’m not complaining, really, because they all came pretty easily and except for Alm I didn’t have them, but it is really a bit weird. Gray and Saber unfortunately not great IVs and Ayra a very mixed blessing at -Atk +Spd. But it’s cool.
We’ll see if anything changes until the banner is over, or if I will continue to pull random red 5* units.
I didn’t find Lyn particularly stupid, but that might be because I don’t remember doing much of anything as far as decision-making. She’s not really set up to succeed because of how quickly the game moves through her prologue. I wouldn’t have you go back through the game to find examples, but I am kind of curious.
I pulled Mia, Mathilda, Caeda, and Corrin trying to go for Soleil once, who I did not get, and I pulled Sothe, Blucina, and Tana before getting Micaiah (still a little scarred by that one). I also pulled Morgan-M and Exalt Chrom going for Morgan-F, who I also did not get. I was broken by a -ATK Clair to end that one, but I will be vindicated once I get a +SPD/-HP one, because my +SPD/-HP Caeda is one of my best units and Rhomphaia Clair should be basically the same.
But anyway, I’d probably whine a little bit if I were you, even though that’s not a bad haul (Saber and Gray should have their rarities dropped, or at least Saber). For what it’s worth, I don’t think the ATK on Ayra will matter too much, since I understand she’s special dependent anyway. I’ll hope you get Lene, though if you’ve already got Ishtar, you’re doing pretty good. I’ve been so snakebitten I can’t imagine pulling for two units on the same banner intentionally.
If I remember it was a combination of being headstrong (which is fine) but also incredibly naive and pretty resistant to getting other opinions or following advice from people with more experience in the fields she didn’t know anything about. And some other questionable writing choices. I don’t know, it’s been a very long time since I played the prologue.
Oh Mia and Caeda have ambushed me too… maybe it’s a red thing, I’m not lucky with them.
Tana at least is really nice? Well, I guess Mia and Blucina too. And horsie Chrom is so lovely. Not sure what IVs you got but mine is +spd -res (got none of the Morgans) and he’s my favorite red horse now. I built a fire blessing horse emblem team around him and horsie Ephraim. No DC hurts but it works anyway. And with all the dragons lately, having a Falchion on the team is very helpful.
And ouch on the Clair…
I’ve never gotten a good Clair or Caeda so those two are benched.
Gray is -atk… I don’t really see him getting any use. With horsie Chrom around I don’t even need Sword Valor.
Ayra seems fine for sure. Her special and weapon effect go off speed so +spd is really good. I’ve put Fury on her to mitigate the attack bane and she comes in at a very respectable 41/49/46/34/24. And I also put Fury because she has Desperation and with that kind of speed you’d be a fool not to take advantage of that, that synergy is still great. +Spd really was lucky.
Thanks and originally I was pretty happy with the prospect of summoning lots of red and blue, recently I was only ever looking for green and what I needed was some fodder from red and blue 4* units. But Ishtar came so easily that now I’m kind of like “but I needed blues” which is completely and utterly ridiculous.
Hmm I can see it. Naive and headstrong are both ways to describe her, I would say.
I already had Blucina with better IVs, so that one became aether fodder to Heavy Blade Minerva (purely a passion project). Mia and Tana I just didn’t need. Valter is fine as my defensive flier and I haven’t found any matchup for Mia that I wasn’t already handling with another sword. My Horse Chrom is +SPD/-HP, so he’s fine, but I’m partial to Xander. Chrom is still really good though, and I agree he seems like an obvious match for Ephraim.
I find I’m mostly looking for good fodder now, of any color really. I’m not really excited by random 5* that will never crack my lineup. I’m even starting to think of 5* in terms of fodder (Bold Fighter and Steady Breath)
I’ve had two Minervas by accident now (merged them) and she’s very nice, but I’m sort of clinging to my Cherche *g* 4*+10 because that’s apparently my thing, but with a Brave Axe+ from a pity breaking 5* Raven forever ago. She’s definitely nice, I’ve got a basic set on her. But for now Cherche remains my green flier.
I’m using Valter too but I think I may switch him out some day soon. I actually have two Tanas with different less than ideal IVs, but I liked both build ideas I had that I couldn’t make up my mind and kept both and just have very different sets on them, one being defensive and the other much more offense minded. Also I somehow really like the FE 8 charas a lot despite it not being my favorite game. Also now that I randomly pulled that flier Shigure, might try him out. But basically I have too many blue flier options, it’s tricky. Red is the color with few options. And I guess green is fairly clearcut as well where fliers are concerned. Mine is Elincia and she’s just a beast.
Mia only gets outings in Rival Domains/Grand Conquest.
Oh yeah, +spd is so sweet on him once he gets even a little damaged. As always put Fury and Desperation on him to that end *lalala* With hone cavalry that makes for 48 speed… Chrom has never been so fast.
Xander, Camus and Cecilia were my horse emblem core for the longest time, and I’ll still use them, but I just really fell in love with horsie Chrom and then, with horsie Ephraim and the defense blessing effect it seemed like a nobrainer to build a new horsie team. My Cecilia (again 4* + 10) is actually +def (she was my first and I never got good IVs) so at an unbuffed 30 defense she actually benefits from that effect. And takes Brave Lyn any day, even without Gronnraven or TA or blessing, just Bowbreaker, no sweat. Just a Gronnblade, not even +, and no buffs against Mulargir, still enough. And imo there’s not really anything in particular for the B slot that would make her better.
Oh yes, I’ve definitely foddered some 5* units too. And there are many 3 and 4* units I’m happy to get when summoning. Usually I want a specific unit when summoning, be it because of who they are, or sometimes, the kind of unit they are, but I definitely don’t have to have everyone, especially when I already have so many good units to choose from. For example, the green Olwen would’ve been really nice so I’d finally have a green mage cavalry option that could rival my Cecilia, but it wasn’t important enough for me to really go after it and I have no affiliation with the Thracia characters. Meanwhile I did really go after bunny Alfonse… both because he’s adorable and because I really wanted him for that horsie team 😉 Not a lot of good green horses around.
Now Lene… I just can’t have too many dancers. And I like her design a lot, and she seems to be the tankiest dancer since Ninian, that’s nice, a dancer you can use as a tank in a pinch.
Wow… I type too much.
I’ve actually pulled three Minervas, but my first one had the best IVs (+ATK/-HP). The others became LnD fodder. Cherche is simply much better. I’ve got a 5* one, but she’s +ATK. Never disappoints. However, she doesn’t make my first-team fliers either. I prefer Azura and Spring Camilla with TA Raven, QR, and Iote’s Shield seal. Caeda and blade Corrin round it out. That team never loses to anything. It’s the only team I was able to beat Lyn’s Legendary Hero Battle with, despite all the bows.
After that, Elincia, Firesweep Cordelia, Minerva, and Cherche are the second team. Valter and Tana seem to run better outside of Fliers, but I’m partial to my Def+3, QR, Luna Valter. No sword survives that. But yeah blue really is packed. I want to run Clair, one day dream of building Catria (stop), and like the idea of Brave Lance Est. Plus, Shigure apparently just powercreeps them all anyway.
I’ve been keeping Chill Def on Chrom for the one-shot damage. Plus, it increases his utility with my other units. He’s tanky enough to take hits and Aether his health back, so I’ve never felt like I needed Desperation. I run Xander, Reinhardt, Cecilia, and Lyn for my horses. I ran horses for most of FE’s life, so I don’t run them much. I assume Chrom, Ephraim, and Elise would form a second team, with maybe Camus or Ursula. Camus is another unit who I had been underestimating. I wanted a new green horse for a while, but they keep adding offensive ones and I’m so used to that slot being defensive. My +ATK TA Cecilia also runs G Tomebreaker, because Nino used to be a thing. I don’t think that’s really necessary anymore, but she one-shots Lyn anyway. Other than that, Frederick is basically Cherche on a horse, but it’s not a good time for melee horses.
I’ve moved away from dancers generally because of the low BST, but my dancers were always capable fighters because they’re all TA (Ruby Sword Olivia, Sapphire Lance Azura, TA Azura and Inigo). I will probably continue to collect all dancing variants of Azura though. I can’t help it.
Other than that, I want Morgan still, but she’s dreadful and will never be used if I get her, so I’ve got a list of about seven 3-4* of each color I’m trying to get for fodder, IVs, or merges. Otherwise, I wait for the Laguz lords (or CYL2 units) to break the game.
I think you commented again below as well, but it’s gone now, FYI
Mine is +Atk -HP too 🙂 I merged because that was the second one and I wanted to keep the skills, although there’s really nothing expensive on her. In retrospect should’ve probably used the first one as fodder as well. Yup, my Cherche is +Atk as well. I run her with Elincia, Valter and summer Corrin. No spring Camilla for me.
I gave up on beating that map on Infernal.
Oh man, yes, backup fliers… Minerva, NY Camilla, Halloween Nowi, the two Tanas, Cordelia, Hinoka, Myrrh, Azura, Kagero and now the other Hinoka. I should really consider changing up my flier team just so some other units get used and get some action… I might do it, the Kinshi Knight Hinoka is ridiculous with the movement options for a flier team.
My Shigure is unfortunately -Spd, which just seems like such a shame when that’s kind of his best stat.
He doesn’t really need it, no, but it always pairs so well with Fury. And it means I can have him running around at 1HP, taking out foes safely and then eventually triggering Aether. I enjoy it a lot *g* just let the man solo.
Reinhardt used to be my TT goto (and he was again since he was just a bonus unit). Brave Lyn is really good but maybe it’s my Lyn aversion, I’ve not actually used her that much. When I ran a fourth horse with my old core three it was most often Elise. And yes, I don’t really use the horses much anymore either, been doing it too much in the past. Camus is lovely, I’ve got vantage on mine and he’s just brilliant.
Bunny Alfonse is pretty defensive. But I did switch his sturdy blow for sturdy stance so… that helped, along with the fire blessing defense buff from Ephraim.
I usually bait Lyn with my Cecilia. And I used to do that with Xander for Nino. And hey! Nino’s still awesome.
I’ve tried to make mine capable, but other than the TA Raven Inigo only Ninian is really a unit I’d bring to fight more so than to dance/sing. The others are more “fight in a pinch” for me. Ninian is hard to kill by most things.
I’ve never managed to get vanilla Azura, and trying to get the PA version left me with Inigo +4 *cough* well, I did then finally get her on the Legendary banner.
Wow that’s a deep bench of fliers, and I thought I had a lot. And you have a Myrrh! I’m kind of jealous of that. I’ll bet running four ranged fliers is pretty good too. I’m not surprised you’re considering switching out Valter though. Fliers tend to be really aggressive, and I feel like he’s very defensive. He’s a great duelist, but I think he works better without the other fliers. I don’t need a NY Camilla, but I kind of want one, for some reason.
Even now, I’m still amazed by how strong Reinhardt and Lyn are. My Elise is +HP/-SPD unfortunately, but even with Wrathful Staff and the Dazzling refinement, she’s not quite enough for me. I guess that horses are just so aggressive that she doesn’t have the firepower.
I love Nino. She will probably be the first unit I 5*+10, once I get a +SPD/-DEF one (I’m using +ATK/-HP now). I don’t see her a lot in the arena now though, certainly not like I did in the early days of FEH.
I’d be confident in my Olivia’s ability to tank greens, if I needed that. Regular Azura is a little more frail. I wanted her more than any other unit when we started, but by the time I got her, I never had a need for her. I do think PA Azura and NY Azura are perhaps the most versatile units in the game right now, so obviously I’m glad you got the PA Azura in the end. I was wondering about the Inigo+4…
I love the FE 8 charas, I definitely needed Myrrh *g* weirdly she hasn’t seen that much action. I should try running four ranged fliers. Not sure it would be a good balance though.
Actually I prefer having one flier who’s defensive, so I can park them in the way of harm when moving everyone out of the way isn’t possible. That’s why one usually has swap instead of reposition, in this case Valter. I should try this with my defensive Tana but I’ve not finished her build. No Lance Valor and expensive skills means it’s annoying to earn enough SP…
NY Camilla’s pretty cool 🙂 I have a Brigade that’s 80% fliers, so at least they sometimes come out to play.
They are, but at the same time I don’t find it difficult to counter them. Just annoying.
Elise is mostly along for healing with the other three, and Fortify Cavalry. It keeps the other three going. Since I just apparently love Fury too much she keeps my Cecilia and Camus healthy when needed. And the occasional sweep. Mine’s the reverse of yours, -HP +Spd.
I should probably start merging her, mine’s still zero merges but has summoner support and is still the one I send out to others 🙂 Same IVs as yours, but I’m happy with those. It’s true you don’t see her as much, but it also depends what score teams you battle. I do still see her, but not as much. There are just a lot of options these days and well, she’s ranged, low BST.
Yes, but not blues, especially with the Ruby Sword. I know Olivia’s not terribly frail, but Ninian takes some serious punishment before she folds. So if I’m bringing a lot of frail units I like to pick her as my dancer. She’s 44/45/39/26/30 and well, if I use her to attack gets 44/50/44/31/35 thanks to Light Breath+ 🙂 which buffs everyone else around the same. So, yeah, as fighters go, she’s the strongest among my dancers.
PA Azura is certainly the most convenient buffer, but I like using all the dancers. It’s easy to accumulate hero merit apart from the regular convenience. Inigo is by far the one getting the most use though. A green TA Raven dancer can’t be beat for utility in the current meta.
I’m mostly indifferent to the FE8 characters even though it’s arguably my favorite game and I think it’s a strong cast on the whole. Once I got Lyon, which I never expected, I was pretty set with them. Facing Myrrh is pretty terrifying though, especially if she runs DC over Fury.
I prefer at least one defensive anchor in all my teams really, but Spring Camilla is really tanky. I spent so much time SP grinding during golden week that I’m pretty much all set. It’s all stamina potions are good for now.
I would never run Reinhardt and Lyn on a defense team, but Xander and G Tomebreaker Cecilia cover their counters on offense. I would think I would see Nino more, since I’m constantly running low BST teams. I usually struggle to counter her. I apparently thought G Tomebreaker on Celica was necessary at one point.
I generally don’t count on any unit to tank the color they’re weak to, as a rule, though Ninian has enough HP and SPD to stay upright for sure (yours is also +SPD though). I’d believe she could be the strongest dancer. Generally, I only expect my units to kill this they’re strong against, and that’s worked fine. Although my arena team runs two colorless and in generally fine letting Micaiah tank anything from range that isn’t a Brave Bow, so maybe not.
I like that Azura’s buffs, and Drive Spd, can make most units seem viable, so she unlocks the most versatility to me. But Inigo definitely has the best matchups
Interesting 🙂 before FE 15 and Hidari, Wada Sachiko’s FE 8 designs were by far my favorites. I also just really like most of the charas. Would absolutely love to get Tethys for example. And Glen… but that’s probably really never going to happen. Lots of FE 7 charas I’d still love to see too.
Ah, so like mine then *cough* not that she’s likely to turn up on an arena defense team.
Cherche has high defense, but she’s so slow she doesn’t work well for that. So Valter it is, or in future maybe Tana or Shigure. I guess I wasn’t playing that much in golden week, though I did finish some builds that badly needed SP.
Shouldn’t Xander counter her just fine with a bit of horse buffing going on? Though your current team maybe doesn’t have a direct Nino counter. This is why I don’t like running teams without at least one unit of each color.
For VL Ike Nino’s easy prey.
I don’t really do that either, since it seems silly, but from a really good tank I expect them to be able to take at least one hit from the color they’re weak to, though not defeat that unit. And mostly in the stat they’re better in, so defense or resistance, respectively. Ninian in that regard can be a last resort if I messed up and need protection for someone else for one turn. Mine is +Atk -HP actually, but the refine is +spd.
Inigo’s the only one who currently has Hero Merit maxed out. Nino’s close behind 😉
I should amend that. I’m not indifferent to the FE8 cast. I do like them, but they’re probably one of my least favorite, if more balanced casts. There isn’t really anyone there I don’t like: Lyon is my all time favorite, and I’ve was clamoring for Glen as our first sword wyvern for a long time. Valter is Valter, and Knoll is a favorite too. I could go on. It’s a good group. It just doesn’t have too many standouts for me, after Lyon.
FE15 definitely has my favorite art (I KNOW I’ve been vocal about that) and I have a lot of favorites in that cast (Whitewings, Python, Lukas, Genny, Sonya, Saber). Of course, the Tellius cast is a different animal entirely — it’s huge, with so many exceptional characters, and so few duds. I think highly of the FE7 bunch too.
Cherche, in my experience, is made of glass, even with her HP and DEF. I try not to let anything touch her. I built two Jakobs and Henry during Golden Week, and filled most of the whole in my builds. It was…a lot.
I don’t know why I didn’t just have Xander kill Nino. I don’t remember anymore. Sothe has the range and power to one-shot Nino, which is usually how I deal with her. Otherwise, Genny can two-shot her, if somehow that matchup happens.
I’m surprised you’ve only got one unit with maxed Hero Merit. Xander, Reinhardt, Cecilia, Brave Lyn, Genny, and PA Azura are all maxed for me, and Sothe and Micaiah aren’t far behind. But yeah, it’s mostly dancers and healers after that, and anyone who’s ever been a part of a Tempest Trial bonus.
Ephraim is one of my all time favorite FE charas, couldn’t even really tell you why. I really like Innes too and L’Arachel. Rarely have I found a character as hilarious as her. I guess of the ones still missing I’d most like Forde, Tethys and Gerik from the player side. And otherwise Glen for sure. Ha, a fellow Glen fan, what a rare thing.
All in all I guess FE 7 has my favorite cast.
I generally agree, only I always stumble over the boob plates. Not because it’s offensive or anything, just because it’s nonsensical as armor goes (the shape, it’s terrible for protection) so in that regard I still prefer FE 8.
Oh yes, Python and Lukas. I’m always a little sad that most of the FE 15 charas aren’t very strong in heroes… Mathilda and Clair would clear whole maps for me easily.
I never had the chance to play the Tellius games, so I don’t have any particular attachment. I know some of the story and characters though and I’d really love to play one day.
I’ll only let her face slow blue physical units if I really need it. The speed makes her very vulnerable, but with a Fortify Fliers, in this situation the damage may well be down to single digits per hit.
I probably should’ve taken advantage of the bonus more… I just find the SP grinding so tedius. Especially without Lance Valor for lance units. Although I did finish my Oboro. And Jakob most of the way, what an expensive build…
Maybe I just spread it around a lot? I’m not sure *g* it’s probably a bit of an odd list. See, my Brave Lyn only has 780 Hero Merit, told you I don’t use her much, despite being very good. PA Azura is still playing catchup since I haven’t had her as long.
There are definitely lots of units I should be using more. But for example I don’t like arena assault at all so I usually only do that once a week for the rewards.
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I guess it’s my turn to complain that my comment didn’t stick. A shame too, it was an obnoxiously long one.
Let’s see. I don’t think much of Ephraim more than other lords. He still seems like that righteous noble type to me, which is funny because I think they probably wanted to portray him more…roughly? You meet him, and he’s talking about leaving his throne and touring the continent as a mercenary, but I never really believed that, based on his personality. He doesn’t have the roughness or battle-thirst that Hector or Ike talk about. He’s actually pretty mellow in his supports as well. His conversation with Lyon in the final fight always stood out to me though. It’s really one of the few times I felt he emoted unexpectedly:
Lyon: Tell me, Ephraim: do I look like I’ve grown stronger? The last time we dueled, I was too weak to test you. Why, I was so weak, I even lost to Eirika…
Ephraim: ……
Lyon: I’ve sacrificed the lives of many good people. I’ve committed many unforgivable sins. The caring heart that I once possessed died long ago… And I’ve grown stronger because of it. I’ve grown strong enough to defeat even you, Ephraim.
Ephraim: …No, you haven’t. You’re still no match for me. You were never one for combat. It’s not in you. You should never have chosen this path.
Lyon: ……
Ephraim: ……Here I come, Lyon.
I always found equal parts contempt and sadness in that exchange, not the kind of righteous anger we tend to associate with our lords.
I’ve always liked Glen and what they did with his character as it related to Valter and Cormag. And I prefer him much more to Selena. I’m not too much of a fan of the blindly loyal vassal archetype. Other than that, Knoll, Duessel, and Joshua are among my favorites. Gerik and his band are pretty good too, certainly.
Scorched Sand might be my favorite map in Fire Emblem. It’s such a good set piece in Eirika’s route: being surrounded in the desert immediately following what happened in Chapter 14, Ephraim rescuing you, and the better, in my opinion, of the JoshuaxCaellach and CormagxValter duel conversations.
I’m pretty sure I relied almost exclusively on Alm, Kliff, Gray, and the three healers for Alm’s route. I hardly use Mathilda and Clair at all, interestingly. I still bet Clair is really good in Heroes now, based on how good Caeda is for me.
I definitely see your point about the chestplates, though they’re not as egregious in 15 as in other games we might mention. Can’t fault you for that though. I usually take more issue with the skirts, but at least those aren’t completely pointless.
I really hope you get the chance to play the Tellius games. They’re a completely different animal from the rest of the series: heavy, ambitious, political narratives with millions of characters and a ton of development. People make a lot of Ike/Guts/Berserk jokes, but it’s pretty accurate. The setting could be something out of Berserk, with less violence and more racism. Allegedly, IS got a lot of the material for the Tellius games from notes that Kaga left, which would explain how the series’ writing went from good to excellent to fanfic so quickly. In any way case, it’s a shame the games are on older consoles and cost probably around $100 each. I consider Tellius the high water mark of the series, and probably the standard it should strive for, but I’d be perfectly happy to get games styled after the GBA titles if they look like 15.
*exhale* …and you said YOU type a lot (and this isn’t even as long as what I wrote the first time, though I didn’t post the whole conversation the first time).
Anyway, it does look like my merit list is a little more top-heavy, but not too much:
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Ugh you know my response here has been deleted two times now. Though, to be fair, it was obnoxiously long the first time, and I think it got longer the second time.
To try again, Ephraim kind of felt as bland as any of the other lords to me. We’re told he’s rough around the edges, a tactical genius, isn’t particularly studious, and that he wants to give up the throne to travel as a mercenary, but when we meet him, he’s still the consummate gentleman: polite with bits of righteous anger where expected. I will say that I’m quite fond of his final battle conversation with Lyon. That mixture of contempt and sadness is one of the rare times we see him emote unpredictably.
I think my favorites, aside, of course, from Lyon, my all-time favorite, are Knoll, Duessel, and Joshua, but Gerik’s band is pretty cool too, as are Vanessa and Innes. Like I said, it’s a cast, it just doesn’t have a ton of my absolute favorites. 7 has a great cast, both among its heroes and its villains.
I really hope you get the chance to play the Tellius games. They’re so different. They play the same, but the maps are mostly vehicles for a heavy, ambitious, political narrative with a million characters that is definitely unique in the series. I’ve heard they got a lot of the assets from Kaga’s leftover notes, which explains how the writing of the series went from good, to excellent to fanfic between 7 and 14.
I definitely see your point about the chestplates, though they aren’t as bad as they are in some of the games I could mention. I think I’ve said this, but the skirts confuse me more. At least the chestplates are trying to look like armor, even if they are less functional.
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This is probably half as long as the deleted posts. I too can type a lot
Sorry about that.
I guess with him it always felt something like a front? He always felt very disconnected to me, from his life and those interactions that were political and official. The only time it felt like he was really there was with certain people, like Myrrh, or when he didn’t have to fulfil his princely duties or in battle. I don’t know, I may well be projecting XD He plays the role he’s given because he feels a certain responsibility but I always got the feeling that he was pretty unhappy in that role and that it was ill-fitting to him. And I cannot recalling him ever smiling in the whole game. Ever. I actually found the heroes artwork pretty disturbing, when he’s smiling during the battle animation.
I think it came out well with Lyon. I also think it came out well with Innes, forever sad they didn’t have a support conversation. Ephraim to me seemed to have preferred to be Innes’ friend too, since as a fellow prince he’d be one of the few to treat him as an equal not his status but Innes the silly bugger was obsessed with that rivalry ^^;;
I don’t know, maybe it’s just me XD but I always really liked Ephraim.
What you say that it’s one of the few times we see him emote (unpredictably) is probably kind of what I mean. He’s very distant, it felt more like disassociation to me than blandness. A failure to connect emotionally.
Joshua is certainly very fun and Duessel is a very interesting character with very good supports. I miss those kind of supports, that add depth to the characters and in most cases not romantic in nature. Knoll somehow hasn’t left a very deep impression. I liked Syrene, Neimi and Natasha too.
I agree that 7 is fantastic. It and its characters are still my favorites.
I hope so too 🙂 they seem amazing. The writing really isn’t what it’s used to be. But don’t go dissing on fanfic XD I’ve read tons of fanfic that was better than any writing I’ve seen in Fire Emblem. Well, I guess it depends a lot on the fandom. Anime/manga/game fanfic in my experience is typically terrible, not across the board, but in its majority. But that would start a whole other discussion *g*
I’m pretty ok with the skirts for the most part. At least they afford a lot of freedom of movement. If the plates weren’t so ridiculously molded that’d be fine. Oh well.
It’s interesting to see how usage and favorite units differ between players. Only makes it clear that you don’t really need specific units but that many can be made to work 🙂 7 of these I don’t have at all *g*
Dug out the notification emails on the email account I usually don’t use, to see what you originally wrote.
You sort of made my point for me with Ephraim *g* I think if he stays king he has a good chance to end up severely depressed. That was one unhappy young man.
Glen is awesome, and I don’t think people dislike him, I just don’t think many people paid any attention.
So it’s not that he’s disliked, he’s just not popular.
As for Echoes, I always like mobility, so fliers and cavalry have a tendency to get used a lot, as well as Archers. Python and archer Tobin did a lot of the heavy lifting. On Celica’s side, the Whitewings likewise. My Leon was unlucky, but Atlas and the other dreadfighters saw a lot of use as well. Superior movement yay.
And my Mathilda was blessed with her level ups. By far the strongest I had.
I always thought Lukas and Forsyth should be turned into cavaliers, what with their color scheme *g* I might yet do it, though I’m done.
As for liking the series so much without having played Tellius. What can I say, 7 caught my heart and kept it *g*
I’ve tried playing some of the older ones, but it was always a bit tedious to play in Japanese, what with the kanji. I know there are some fan translations. Maybe I’ll try again. I got some ways into 3 (1) and 6. I never owned a Gamecube nor a Wii so Tellius just wasn’t happening for me. And I’ve always found it odd, from just how compelling they both seemed, that they sold so badly.
A virtual console version would be absolutely lovely.
I DO type a lot *g* but it seems you can keep up easily 😉
Haha which time, I wonder. It got longer somehow as I redrafted it. I went through Ephraim’s support conversations (since I don’t get too many per playthrough, and first, Ephraim and L’arachel is gold, and second, Ephraim and Eirika’s is such a waste to me. We know they’re close already. The game tells us that ad nauseum. But generally, I see your point. Many of the characters remark on how distant he is, and he comes off as pretty irritable in a lot of his conversations (Kyle, Forde, Myrrh, and Tana). I guess it just didn’t finish the narrative arc for me? I mean, we know he becomes king and does fine and that’s the end of it. In fact, the narrative they could’ve used for Ephraim, they ended up using for Joshua. He actually does leave, works as a mercenary, comes back to find his land destroyed, and grows up (though we don’t know how it ends for him either). I would’ve loved to see them spend more time with Ephraim’s character in that case, and let his struggle with what he wants to do with himself play out. A side note, he implies a few times as well that Eirika’s being there with him is the only reason he feels like he can become king at all. I thought their support would’ve been a great time to flesh that out. Instead, like you were getting at, one wonders how happy he is in the end.
I usually turtle and phalanx my way through Fire Emblem. Everyone stays together, so extra movement doesn’t do much for me. Most of the SoV cast was so redundantly combat-wise that I mostly just used my favorites. I always use a ton of mages. In one of the games, since almost all the mages are female, I end up deploying an army of small girls, which is always a sight.
Haha I mean, 7 caught my heart and kept it too. I was pretty young when I picked it up, had never played anything like it, and it just somehow caught my eye in the stores. I’ve played through 6 a number of times. It’s kind of boring since they were still ironing out the support system, but some of the maps are fun and it’s got the plot that feels like a fledgling version of what 7 and 8 offer.
It is the story of Fire Emblem itself that Tellius sold badly. If they hadn’t, its course would be very different. I do like Awakening and Fates, as much as I’m open about bashing them, but I can’t help but wonder what we might’ve gotten instead.
All of them 🙂
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I like Duessel’s support with him as well. To me Ephraim has a very strong sense of duty and responsibility but very few real emotional connections with other people, which together with the twin thing explains why he’s so focused on Eirika. He’s probably quite lonely and he’s not good at the things his sister is, she’s the one keeping him level. I never really bought the “thirst for battle” line, to be honest. He sure enjoys a good fight but it felt more like the one duty he has that he actually enjoys because he’s good at it and it’s easy and straightforward. Reckless though, for sure. Well, and he did work fabulously as a one man army for me when I put him on the field.
Him and L’Arachel is so hilarious, I love that girl. And Ephraim, totally clueless, with Tana, too, or in that case, deliberate misdirection, maybe. Ah Innes… how I wish he had a support with Ephraim, that would’ve been either really interesting or at least really funny.
Ephraim isn’t a “bad boy”, not in any respect, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an inner conflict between what is expected of him and what he wants. I don’t know, I may be projecting way too much *lol*
Again, I found it very telling that he doesn’t smile once in the entire game. I paid real close attention on one playthrough. As for the future… maybe as he grew up (all the lords are quite young) he calmed down? Or maybe starting a family and having more people to feel connected to mellowed him out? I don’t know, I don’t remember if the epilogue stated very much. As for Joshua’s narrative, I don’t think Ephraim’s sense of responsibility would’ve let him truly do that when he was needed at home. Want to run away, but not do it.
As you can tell, I really like that one too much *cough*
I guess you must be a good bit younger than me then 😀 I was not that young, but I was also not much of a gamer before that. To be fair, that wasn’t FE though, that came still later. And I was a legal adult when I first played 7 in… 2005?
You know, we probably shouldn’t be surprised that one in every few comments is being deleted as we continue to throw walls of text at each other. Disqus probably did not intend itself to be used this way.
I think you’ve made a very strong case, and I think it’s supported in the text besides. I guess I balk either because I don’t trust the intentionality of the writers in this case, or maybe because the story doesn’t really engage any of these issues. Both Eliwood and Hector have very clear character growth subplots that play out across their respective stories and through conversations with other characters, some of which are hidden or require multiple playthroughs. Ephraim doesn’t get any of that, and Marth, Roy, Lyn, and Chrom don’t either, which is why I relegate them to the pile of bland lords. Even Eirika gets a little bit of development because the plot and events of Sacred Stones affect her emotionally whereas Ephraim keeps them at a distance.
I did miss an important piece from Ephraim’s A support with Kyle, where he bluntly says he doesn’t feel affection for people (other than Forde, Kyle, Seth, Duessel, and Eirika) because of how he was raised. It’s interesting to compare that to Eirika and the qualities of hers that are considered laudable. It makes me wonder about how they were raised. When you talk about a potential grown-up version of Ephraim, I can’t help but picture him becoming a Vigarde or Rudolf: great leaders and soldiers whose failures with human relationships ended up doing great harm to their kingdoms and those around them.
Blazing Blade came out in 2003 actually, or 2004 depending on where you are (doesn’t mean you played it then though), and I remember plucking it off a shelf, so, yeah, I was probably nine. I will never know why I thought it was a good idea for me to pick that game up then, but I will always be quite glad I did.
One probably *should* play defensively in Fire Emblem and field a diverse army, but somehow, I always end up rolling through the maps with an army of child mages…Fire Emblem as a whole seems to dislike the archer class. There just aren’t many great archers in the series, except in Fates and Radiant Dawn. In Radiant Dawn, the archer promotion can attack from three spaces away and two of your archers have just broken stats. It’s ridiculous.
I am relatively new to the internet and the concept of fandoms. I’ve read a webcomic here or there but that’s about it. So I’m constantly learning that people can put out excellent work through non-industry channels. I think it’s the sheer number of complex characters that makes Tellius stand out. It’s not even that it’s different from other Fire Emblem games in that regard, rather it’s that there are so many worthwhile ones, and the world they live in is richer than the series has otherwise given us. Even Ike is fascinating, and I could gush about Micaiah forever.
You’ve probably seen it, but this is the tagline quote the wiki gives her:
“If that’s what it takes to be just, then I want nothing to do with justice. I’d rather be hated and feared like Mad King Ashnard. I’d rather the dark god take my soul. I’m going to save my people, Sothe. If the rest of the world paints me as a beast to be reviled and hated, so be it.”
I think that makes it clear we’re not in traditional Fire Emblem lord territory.
I was prepared. I saved my comment. I wonder when they’re deleted through, because I usually check back if I can a little bit after I post to see if it stuck…
I think you’ve made a very strong case, and I think it’s supported in the text besides. I guess I balk either because I don’t trust the intentionality of the writers in this case, or maybe because the story doesn’t really engage any of these issues. Both Eliwood and Hector have very clear character growth subplots that play out across their respective stories and through conversations with other characters, some of which are hidden or require multiple playthroughs. Ephraim doesn’t get any of that, and Marth, Roy, Lyn, and Chrom don’t either, which is why I relegate them to the pile of bland lords. Even Eirika gets a little bit of development because the plot and events of Sacred Stones affect her emotionally whereas Ephraim keeps them at a distance.
I did miss an important piece from Ephraim’s A support with Kyle, where he bluntly says he doesn’t feel affection for people (other than Forde, Kyle, Seth, Duessel, and Eirika) because of how he was raised. It’s interesting to compare that to Eirika and the qualities of hers that are considered laudable. It makes me wonder about how they were raised. When you talk about a potential grown-up version of Ephraim, I can’t help but picture him becoming a Vigarde or Rudolf: great leaders and soldiers whose failures with human relationships ended up doing great harm to their kingdoms and those around them.
Blazing Blade came out in 2003 actually, or 2004 depending on where you are (doesn’t mean you played it then though), and I remember plucking it off a shelf, so, yeah, I was probably nine. I will never know why I thought it was a good idea for me to pick that game up then, but I will always be quite glad I did.
One probably *should* play defensively in Fire Emblem and field a diverse army, but somehow, I always end up rolling through the maps with an army of child mages…Fire Emblem as a whole seems to dislike the archer class. There just aren’t many great archers in the series, except in Fates and Radiant Dawn. In Radiant Dawn, the archer promotion can attack from three spaces away and two of your archers have just broken stats. It’s ridiculous.
I am relatively new to the internet and the concept of fandoms. I’ve read a webcomic here or there but that’s about it. So I’m constantly learning that people can put out excellent work through non-industry channels. I think it’s the sheer number of complex characters that makes Tellius stand out. It’s not even that it’s different from other Fire Emblem games in that regard, rather it’s that there are so many worthwhile ones, and the world they live in is richer than the series has otherwise given us. Even Ike is fascinating, and I could gush about Micaiah forever.
You’ve probably seen it, but this is the tagline quote the wiki gives her
“If that’s what it takes to be just, then I want nothing to do with justice. I’d rather be hated and feared like Mad King Ashnard. I’d rather the dark god take my soul. I’m going to save my people, Sothe. If the rest of the world paints me as a beast to be reviled and hated, so be it.”
I think that makes it clear we’re not in traditional Fire Emblem territory.
Go you XD
I’m definitely not going to argue with you on Eliwood and Hector, I love those two very much. In fact Hector is probably my real all time favorite. Otherwise, well, it’s a good thing we don’t all have the same favorites, right^^
The interesting thing about that Kyle support is that I got that vibe from Ephraim long, long before I ever read that conversation. I guess I might be sensitive towards that kind of character. The disassociation seemed pretty obvious to me.
I think young Ephraim was very happy that Lyon wanted to be friends with him and his sister. Lyon was more like Eirika, and I think Ephraim admires those qualities that he doesn’t have or has been told he shouldn’t, very much. It all adds up to their final conversation that you quoted.
I really hope his very close bond with Eirika and his admiration for her will help prevent him becoming that type of ruler. Apart from that I think his saving grace might be that he doesn’t really seem to care about political power.
But maybe it’s all just wishful thinking because I like him XD I still think there’s a chance he might be very unhappy in the long run :/
Wow that was young. I tried to place it and 2005 makes the most sense in my case. Anyway, so you’re probably somewhere between 8-10 years younger than me 😉
I’ve certainly had some late game FE 7 maps devolve into “just put Nino there and watch her kill everything” so I can relate. I don’t know, archers have always been good for me, just take a bit more care to employ effectively. In FE 7 for example my Rebecca usually turns out a true beast.
Well, I can only hope I’ll get to play them at some point.
And that’s definitely not the most usual approach of an FE lord.
I think part of it is an age thing for me, based on when I played Sacred Stones and the impression it left at that time. I mean, I thought Eliwood was pretty boring until fairly recently. I wouldn’t say that now. I never thought Hector was boring, though I don’t really relate to him. He just kind of lays it all out there for the most part. I don’t actually remember if I’ve gotten the Hector and Lyn boat scene (I’ll be honest, I kind of like them as a pair — it’s a shame their support conversations are underwhelming). But anyway, I’m not surprised I didn’t think of Ephraim that way at the time and that I’m able to see that perspective now.
Unfortunately for him though, Vigarde and Rudolf didn’t overtly care about political power either. It was arguably their station and sense of duty that caused problems for each of them (certainly true of Rudolf. While we generally know Vigarde to have been a great man, it might just be he was not well-equipped to be the parent Lyon needed). I really like the Rudolf comparison the more I think about it, at least as I think about their personal lives. Politically they’d be quite different. In any case, I like to believe Ephraim finds his happiness with L’arachel. She’ll keep him on his toes, not that I can ever really see him separating from Eirika.
I have entered Chapter 25 with a Rebecca with 12 STR and 28 SPD. That might an extreme example, but it is not an outlier case for me. I generally get more out of Neimi, who is usually effective, if unremarkable. FE7 has given me some truly bizarre growth rates over the years. I’ve had some truly dreadful Eliwoods and in many cases Hector has been my fastest, and strongest, and tankiest, and so on… lord. My very first playthrough, I used Marcus, because I didn’t know any better, and found later that I got some unnaturally good growths out of him. It’s not a matter of if Sain will cap his STR as a Cavalier, but when. I could go on.
I thought it was really funny when you mentioned that Ephraim never smiles (he might during his supports with Eirika and Duessel), that was something you looked for, because I describe Micaiah the same way. I joke I’m waiting for any sort of Micaiah Heroes alt just so I can see the poor girl happy.
That’s quite possible too, I guess.
I absolutely adore Eliwood^^ Hector is just like a force of nature *g*
Nope, really don’t like them as a pair (surprise~) but some of their interactions are quite funny nonetheless. They certainly clash well.
With L’Arachel, huh? XD Well, can’t complain. Tana was really a bit… weird, about Ephraim. Though I like to sometimes just make Ephraim-Tana and Innes-Eirika happen so they can just pretty much do the whole Renais-Frelia thing and visit all the time. I was going to say merge the kingdoms but then I thought about Innes and thought “never gonna happen” *cough*
But I could also see Eirika marrying Seth and her ruling and Ephraim being more general of the queen’s army. Then again, I did say having his own family might mellow him. And anyway the game told us he becomes king.
And no, he won’t ever willingly separate from Eirika, nor she from him. Twins. So her influence is my best hope in many ways.
I’ve had Rebecca get pretty close to maxing her strength on multiple occasions. Eliwood usually turns out great for me as well. Hector, Hector is just amazing and a one man army.
Ah Sain, see I usually favor speed over strength and Sain’s skill is sometimes so dreadful, that I use Kent a lot more.
But for me Fiora and Florina usually turn out to become some of my best units. Have I mentioned Fiora yet? I think I like Fiora the way you like Catria *g*
I would have to switch on the game and check on those, and make no mistake, I probably will.
Ephraim’s art in heroes still freaks me out for that reason. He seems not really himself in any case, but well, that’s true for a few characters in heroes.
Yeah Eliwood has really grown on me, though I find the dissonance between his stature and his combat ability kind of funny. He’ll say things about fighting and protecting people and more often that not I’ll see straight 16s in this stats upon promotion. And it doesn’t help that he promotes too late to be useful, because even in Hector’s quest I usually promote Lyn first, since I’ve had 10 extra chapters with her, she’s almost always stronger, and bows really help with all the wyverns.Hector is probably the most powerful lord in the series in game. Ephraim could challenge him but he has such low caps that he hits them almost immediately. It’s rare that I finish Sacred Stones without Ephraim having capped STR, SKL, SPD, and DEF.
I don’t really like Tana, and I really don’t like her with Ephraim. He clearly has no interest in her, and her interest in him feels like the crush a teenager would have. At least, Ephraim kind of acknowledges he likes L’arachel. I could never marry Eirika and Innes. Innes is just so unpleasant much of the time, and his intensity seems like a poor fit for her.
Kent sort of has the Eliwood issue for me. A lot of the time his stats fall behind as he approaches level 20. My Sains usually have abysmal skill, but 20 STR, 16 SPD before promotion isn’t uncommon for him for me. Whether I use him is almost entirely based on where that SPD ends up. Florina rarely works out for me. Fiora most often does, though sometimes I already like my group by the time I get her, and I have good luck with Farina too if she can steal a few levels on the map on which she appears.
The Heroes imaginings are a mixed bag, definitely. First and foremost, I find a lot of epithets to be inaccurate, but there are some weird inconsistencies as well, like Ephraim’s perpetual smirk. Occasionally they do some pretty cool stuff though. Regular Ephraim’s speech at level 40 is awesome: he admits to feeling guilt over not doing more for Lyon, and also that his strength alone isn’t enough to solve problems. Giving us a version of Lyon either post or separated from the Demon King was really neat as well. I wish they put more effort in, on the whole. For example, they tried to give Grima a bit of backstory and motivation through his dialogue, and it didn’t really work, but I appreciate that they tried.
Yeah, I always had to side-eye him a bit when he claims that he spars with Hector and it’s mostly an even split on wins, but then, tactics and technique can play a great role and he has weapon triangle advantage. Mine usually turned out near or above 20 for all stats and sometimes maxed some, guess I got lucky. He was always very good for me.
Ephraim has weapon triangle disadvantage against Hector. But yeah, that’d be a fight to watch *g* Inside FE 8 he’s perfectly good as a one man army though. But the same is true for Hector in FE 7. At least these two are still badass in Heroes.
I do like Tana, but her crush on Ephraim is that awkward puppy love thing that doesn’t really work for a proper longterm relationship and he seems more uncomfortable with it than anything else. Still, sometimes I do it for fun. Tana was very young and quite naive, but also very sincere and genuinely interested in people and open to learning, so I did quite like her. She’s a bit freaky with Ephraim but quite nice with everyone else.
As for Innes… ahahaha, he is such an idiot. Mostly I find him funny, and I do like him. I went back to read their support and oh dear… he will only court Eirika after he can beat her brother??? a) wtf Innes? b) you know it’ll never happen unless Ephraim gets so annoyed he loses on purpose, which again, it’ll never happen
The only way I can see those two getting married is if somehow Eirika also finds his idiocy charming and puts her foot down to stop those two’s nonsensical rivalry. Which, well, Ephraim would appreciate that too.
But mostly I like her better with any of her other options too^^
Sain’s strength and speed (if usable) are sometimes pointless when his skill is so low he misses more than he hits. For me he often gets benched eventually as I have terrible luck with his already terrible skill. Sometimes Florina turns into almost a flying tank for me. Fiora does so most of the time. If I can I will field all of the fliers unless on a map with ballistae or a large number of archers.
Ephraim’s smirk is sooo weird. Yeah, sometimes they do come out nicely.
Ah, one more comment on the fanfic thing. Well, fanfic is one of the reasons I’m fluent in English so I don’t regret anything.
Yeah, in Fire Emblem terms, Eliwood might be able to give Hector a run for his money, because of the speed similarity and weapon triangle advantage, but I find it hard to believe if that their sessions would be competitive if they were simply sparring one-on-one. I don’t know whose Eliwood is more typical, but I’m quite confident none of my Eliwoods have ever maxed a stat.
And yeah, I’m talking in terms of who is typically the most effective unit in their games. I give it to Hector because his game is harder, and he can take on some ludicrous matchups if his stats break right. Ephraim is similarly a force in his game, but between horse limitations, low caps, and easier enemies, I go with Hector in both Fire Emblem terms (weapon triangle, probably doesn’t get doubled by Ephraim’s sad 24 SPD) and generally (he’s bigger).
I don’t mind Tana generally I guess, rather she doesn’t resonate with me personally. I don’t think she and Ephraim have anything in common, and she doesn’t seem to really have a grasp of him as a person (other than that he’s clearly very attractive).
I think Heroes actually did a good job of unpacking Innes, interspersing pride and a sense of duty into a character who can just seem petty and competitive in his own game. It’s also weird that he’s an archer, with that type of personality. You can tell from Ephraim’s support with Tana that the rivalry is mostly one-sided anyway. He also has some maturing to do I think. I think I’ve successfully paired Eirika with Seth and Forde before, but as I’ve said, mostly Eirika and Ephraim end up supporting incidentally. I realize I tend not to use most of Eirika’s support partners.
The issue I usually have with Florina is really low HP early on. I have also had versions of her with unusually high STR and DEF, but the HP usually limits her defensive potential, and Fiora usually turns out better (did not realize she was the oldest. I always just assumed it was Farina). I had a good Heath once, because of hard mode bonuses, but other than that, it’s usually Fiora or no one.
If you’re saying English wasn’t your first language then you shouldn’t regret anything. You grasp it better than most native speakers I encounter, particularly on the Internet.
“Horse limitations” XD I see we definitely think of cavalry differently. You’re right of course that FE 8 is the easier game. And I would agree on the overall conclusion too. It’s just hard to believe anyone could really beat Hector.
No, she just sees Ephraim and thinks “dreamy” and that’s that. It doesn’t have much to do with him. She’s very different with anyone she doesn’t have a crush on, so I wouldn’t rule it out forever, but with what the game gives us, it does make it feel iffy to pair them up.
I’ve never thought of him as petty, but he’s certainly not an easily likable sort. Yes, Ephraim doesn’t care about the rivalry. I think he’d much prefer to be friends. As Innes is one of the few people he doesn’t have a duty to, it’d be a chance for an actual connection, so I always really regretted those two not having a support, as I said before.
I usually like trying different supports on each playthrough because in the past they really added to the characters, so I’ve tried Saleh as well, but he’s one of FE8’s blandest characters for me. Seth seems to come very naturally with Eirika and Forde’s kinda cute as well. Eirika and Ephraim rarely happens for me. Between Myrrh, Duessel and his hilarious support with L’Arachel, his support slots are always full already. Eirika can support with L’Arachel too.
Yes, Florina is super frail early one. But usually it’s worth investing in her. At least for me. Fiora is better though. Nope, Farina’s the middle one. Heath can be hit and miss but I like him as a character and especially his support with Legault so I do use him.
If we’re talking chronologically English was my third, if we’re counting dialects, my fourth. But if we’re going by proficiency then definitely second. I started learning English at age 11/5th grade. Fanfic was one of the most readily available sources of reading material (and cheapest). And thank you very much.
Well not unlike in Heroes, mounted units have lower stat caps. In FE8, I think Paladins cap all their stats around 25, including 24/25 SPD, which matters when there’s a post-game. I always run Amelia as a General for that reason. She gets weapon variety, humongous stat caps, and with Boots she’s as mobile as anyone. Ephraim’s 24 SPD can be frustrating.
I feel like Tana is still childish in most of her conversations (even doing the “you hate me!” trope with Innes). Not a bad sort, but it’s hard to consider pairing her up, especially since she has some other fun supports (I really like Cormag. You wouldn’t think they would support. Tana is consistently one of my best units though, even if the pegasus -> wyvern is a strange one.
He’s kind of petty. One might consider keeping up a one-side rivalry with someone out of insecurity that he might be a better leader than you is a little petty, moreso given that Ephraim is an ally, who, if I recall, is clearly put off that Innes doesn’t like him. He also warns Tana that Ephraim might take advantage of her, and protests their arrangement if you pair them. Then there are the competitions with L’arachel and Joshua. Yeah, I maintain he has some growing up to do, but you might imagine Innes and Ephraim getting on well as they age.
The supports in 7 and 8 (and 6) are so hard to get that I think I ended up reading most of them. Plus, I don’t often use characters that support with each other, or even use the characters with the most interesting supports. Like Seth, Forde, and Duessel don’t see a lot of time in my armies typically, and I tend to use the trainees, who are kind of cute, but not the most interesting to me.
Hmm I usually end of limiting my fliers to two, more often than not two wyverns. But in 7, we get Heath too late for me to use him, although he makes life in desert chapter so much easier, especially if I’m not running at least one other flier by then. I probably should see Florina through. I don’t NEED to run all these mages. Let’s see, by the time I get Fiora, I’m usually running Eliwood, Hector, Lyn, Oswin, Lucius, Raven, Canas, Kent and/or Sain, Priscilla, Erk, maybe Serra or Rebecca…yeah I probably could be more flexible. I just go through the game the way I always have. I will probably never naturally complete Legault and Heath’s supports. I don’t even know how one would do that.
I think dialects often count. There are a lot of dialects in most languages, but usually the ones that people mention are practically languages unto themselves. You must have at least some capacity for languages then. I’m envious of that.
Your comment was removed while I was typing… so… here’s the reply, split in two for safety.
I guess in post-game it might matter, but I didn’t perceive the caps to be that much lower. But it comes down to playstyle I guess, like I said, I prefer speed over strength and that includes mobility. Amelia usually ends up a Great Knight. But sometimes a General. Yeah, but you only have one boots… Since I prefer high mobility units the ones with slower movement often end up being left behind and never even fighting, making them completely redundant for my army.
She is. Oh Innes had it coming *g*
She’s great with Cormag, that’s a really nice support. And good on the field too as they can easily stay in range of each other. And yes, Tana is strong.
Hm, to me he always felt more jealous and proud and very competitive, than petty or insecure, but it’s been a while, and I may be biased. Innes may also be a bit paranoid *g* He’s not a bad loser though. Oh he’ll want a rematch, but he doesn’t get upset about losing. Most of them have some growing up still to do, most of them are quite young. It would be nice if Innes could get over his little Ephraim complex eventually.
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I’m going to try to at least consolidate us back to two threads. Things are difficult enough as it is. I can barely find the most recent comment sometimes (saying Disqus is not a great way to communicate is an understatement).
You can actually farm boots pretty easily late game, and with the twins mounted, I don’t know who I would give them to but Amelia. I usually give them to lords, since they actually need to go places (or Hector, because everywhere is better with Hector). But that gives Amelia 7 move, which puts her ahead of infantry.
Tana and Cormag is an excellent support, both in content and in battle. It’s interesting you mention growing up for them. Eirika seems pretty mature, or at least that she’s always going to be the way she is, but the other lordlings all have some growing up to do: Innes, Tana, Joshua, L’arachel, and Ephraim. Maturity wasn’t really Lyon’s issue, for all the good it did him. Contrast that to other Fire Emblem lords: Eliwood, Hector, Lyn, Marth, Roy, Ike, Elincia, Sanaki, and Chrom (we don’t speak of Corrin), and the Sacred Stones cast stands out for their immaturity.
Legault and Renault are both great characters that I don’t use, though I have gone through Renault’s dialogue with Nergal. I’ve promoted Legault, but he always paled in comparion to the RNG Asssassin Jaffar. I have never seen a character so grossly outperform his stats as Jaffar did for me. Just Silencers upon Sliencers.
I don’t think it’s quite right to say that anyone can learn languages. In some cases the amount of time required to make progress can be so steep as to be untenable or even impossible. I have some background with languages. Aside from English, I know both French and Japanese badly, but formally. But it’s equal parts embarassing and frustrating to think about how little I’ve learned for the time I’ve invested. I had a lot of fun with Japanese. It gave some really fun new ways to think and express myself, but I hit a wall, where suddenly I wasn’t grasping the grammar anymore. As much as I love the idea of learning languages (I once had designs on learning a number — German and I guess Mandarin had been next), but I’m resigned to realizing I’m probably too old to be able to invest the necessary time (which might seem like an odd thing to say to you).
Good plan.
You can? I thought those were limited. Amelia with 7 movement is nice indeed.
Eirika is definitely the most mature of the royal bunch.
Did you really list Lyn with that? ^^;; I can’t speak for some of those, and I definitely agree on some of the others. But I also think some of them gained some maturity during their games and others still have room to grow, although I concede they are not as immature as the FE 8 ones.
Jaffar never worked for me. Legault on the other hand, lucky cad. Otherwise I prefer Matthew. Ah Leila…
Oh it is, just not everyone can learn them as quickly or as well. If you’re forced to live in another country, you will learn unless you do your best not to.
Japanese would be my third when we’re going by proficiency. French was my sixth chronologically and I’m happy to say I forgot just about all of it, gladly. I remember the most important sentence “Je ne sais pas.” Generally learning languages formally didn’t work out great for me. Hence the French. The reason I’m fluent in English definitely wasn’t my formal education. What your description tells me is that maybe you need to find out which way it is that your brain learns easiest. I’m an acoustic learner, which granted, gives me an edge with languages. Writing down words to learn them was one of the worst things school made me do, because it had zero benefit for me.
Don’t learn German, it’s terrible. You’re definitely not too old. Of course it depends on your circumstances but I started learning Japanese not much younger than you are, ok, it was an accident, but still. And I do still plan to learn more. You’ve got your whole life, you’ll just have to accept that it’ll take longer.
And I maintain that if English is your first language you are at a disadvantage. It’s phonetically flat and limited, there are no consistent pronounciation rules and the grammar is all in all pretty simple. And it’s the most internationally useful language.
You can only get one pair of boots through conventional means, but it’s pretty easy to mess with the Lagdou Ruins RNG to generate the map that has a Boots drop (and a bunch of other great items). Obviously the campaign doesn’t require it, but it’s nice for post-game (Lagdou is still pretty hard even fully outfitted. I don’t think Fire Emblem has ever had another mode that requires the resource management it does).
Haha well it’s clear by this point that we vary in our perspectives. I think she doesn’t know what she wants, or possibly doesn’t know if it’s okay to have what she wants (to return to the plains), but I never found her as unpleasant as you seem to. I would say she’s closer to Ephraim than Innes and Tana in the sense that if you watch Ephraim and Lyn, they would pass as functional people, whereas Innes and Tana have some quirks that are pretty blatant upon meeting them. Maybe maturity isn’t the right word there.
I won’t spoil you for incredible character development of Elincia and Sanaki, but an aside on Ike: Ike is basically everything Ephraim pretends to be, but consistent and self-aware. He’s detached, poor in conversation, thinks only of fighting, and is spurred on by a desire to test his strength and by loyalty to his friends. And he knows all of this. Occasionally, you find him questioning how he is, but he is usually resigned to it. Awakening did an interesting (frustrating) thing giving us Priam, because Ike has such tunnel vision that he’s the only lord in Fire Emblem with no romantic options. They are not mentioned in any capacity through either games, and I don’t think the concept of romance or love or attraction reaches him at any point. Most people assumed he was asexual until Priam appeared (don’t worry, there’s plenty to Ike that I didn’t reveal here too).
It’s kind of hard to take your word on languages when you’re talking about learning your third and sixth ;). I always avoided immersing myself in a language because I always feared I would go to great lengths to get by without it if I did. I also probably learn best logically, which is not how people learn languages at all. I want to know all of the rules and structure, and then I’ll just fit the words and such in how I please, as if it were math.
But in any case, I find my time limited relative to the amount I would need to be passable in another language, though I concede all the comments about English you make. It is definitely flat, it takes pronunciation from other languages as it pleases, and well, I guess I would say its grammar is on the simpler end. German can sound beautiful though, and it expresses concepts that English can’t more than a lot of languages do.
Sigh…lost this one, so you’re getting the abbreviated version.
You can use RNG to generate certain Lagdou maps with Boots and a lot of other good items. It’s not necesary for the main story but useful for post-game. Lagdou is still pretty hard. I don’t Fire Emblem has ever had another resource management challenge like that. I miss it.
I think Lyn at least passes for functional, like Ephraim, unlike Innes and Tana, who have some quirks you notice as soon as you meet them. But maybe maturity isn’t the right word.
Elincia and Sanaki have incredible character arcs that I won’t spoil, and Ike is surprisingly fascinating as well. I wrote a much longer thing about Ike before, but he has a lot of similarities to Ephraim I think that make discussing them comparatively really interesting.
Matthew is a great character, but as a unit he seemed mostly all speed and nothing else, as I’d expect of a thief. His support with Jaffar is brilliant though.
I find it hard to take your word on languages when you mention your third and sixth ;). I’m a logical learner. I want to know all of the rules and structure, as if it were math, and then I’ll fit the words in afterward. I agree with your points about English, though I think German can be a beautiful language and expresses concepts that English often cannot.
Sorry for rushing through this one. I’ll admit that losing my original comment was pretty demoralizing (thought I saved it; I did not)
I went to the notifications emails but it seems you really mean lost this time and not to Disqus.
I see, that sounds like a lot of trouble to go to.
Personally I think Innes is perfectly functional, just a bit of an ass and so proud he’s going to get hit in the face by that badly at some point. Which might give him some character growth and additional maturity.
Lyn would do alright in the context of the life she grew up with, I’ll give you that, but not with what she gets pushed into, which, fair enough.
Pity I can’t do it properly then, not having played the games, and you lost your comment.
If FE 18 makes me buy a Switch (what am I saying “if”) and they come out on virtual console, maybe we will have that discussion someday.
As I rarely use thieves for fighting that speed was key. Watch Matthew dodge dodge dodge away and get those precious treasures.
All his supports were good.
You’re going to disbelieve me even more now then because Japanese was the 7th chronologically *cough* and I never said it was as easy for everyone. But, please forgive me on this, what your original comment made me think was mostly that you’re still really young. Not in a bad way, just, what do you think older people do? *g* We all learn all our lives long, not just until we leave the education system. And that can include languages. I did my JLPT N2 when I was 27. My colleague is 50 and improving her English all the time, and now that she’s helping her son with his French she gets to refresh and improve that too and she does fine, and she’s not great with languages. So… it depends on your circumstances, but you can still learn more languages at any time you want, even after retirement.
Ok, but do you know what sensory input works best? And Japanese should’ve been a good fit then. In a way German won’t be. It’s a mess. Really, you think it’s beautiful? Interesting. I’ll grant you we have some very cool words English doesn’t, but that’s true for most languages.
Hoping this won’t be deleted… I say 7th but I’ve only retained any genuine level of proficiency in 5 counting the dialect, and 2.5 of those, including the dialect, are mostly passive. I’m much worse at expressing myself in them. English is the only one where my active skills match anywhere near my passive ones.
I think it was Disqus that did it. It must have been rejected immediately. I’m learning from my mistake.
Manipulating the RNG isn’t a lot of trouble. Did you not manipulate the Tower to play maps with multiple Entombed to kill? It makes grinding much easier. Doing all the prep for a Lagdou run is fairly involved (and there’s still no guarantee you’ll survive the map of Draco Zombies at the end). Have you not tried that either? Lyon, as a bonus unit (after three Lagdou clears) can actually solo just about the entire thing, though the Draco Zombies will still wreck him.
I think I mean socially. I think people would meet Innes and kind of roll their eyes. They would find him unpleasant. They might think Tana is kind of weird. So I guess I mean that Ephraim and Lyn can better pass for normal? But it’s true there’s also the aspect of maturity that allows you to handle complex circumstances in life. In that case, I think Lyn would do less well, whereas Innes would clearly fair better. Tana would struggle here too, but I think we’re in agreement on her. Of course, I think most people would (and did) find Ike very strange, but he’s more than capable of handling difficult situations.
I am also in the “FE 18 will make me by a Switch” camp. The anxiety over FE 18 generally is very real. One thing that’s so interesting is that Radiant Dawn actually doesn’t have supports at all. It’s really incredible it has the character writing it has without them (there are base conversations though, like Shadow Dragon, New Mystery, and SoV). Of course, it also crams so much writing in that it seems to throw maps in sometimes just because it would be a VN otherwise.
Oh yeah, Matthew is more than adequate as a Thief, but so is Legault. I tend not to use thieves at all, instead relying on keys and enemy thieves to get loot. Some Fire Emblem games have maps with a lot to loot, but I never found enough on Blazing Blade maps to warrant a dedicated thief, which is good because Jaffar can’t loot chests anyway. I have so many Jaffar stories of him doing 0 damage to Limstella and Nergal and silencing them anyway. Matthew does have great supports. I’ve always appreciated that the series doesn’t directly correlate unit viability with character depth.
7! Oh my! I’m quite envious. I can’t even imagine. My Japanese and my French fight each other constantly. When I was first learning Japanese, I used to automatically substitute a French word when I forgot the Japanese one. Maybe it’s because I’m not adept at learning languages that the idea of learning even one without rigorous, dedicated study is foreign to me. So in that case (and I don’t know that you’re so much older than me that you use that on me *g*), it doesn’t look to me that *most* people have time for that. I don’t feel like I do now. While I acknowledge that my particular academic environment may not have been the best for my hopes of learning a language, having the freedom of that environment was no doubt very useful.
I don’t think I’m more inclined to any sensory input over another. I mean, I’m aware of the stereotypes of the German language, and I’ve heard some expressions that would seem to back them up, but I’ve also heard some beautifully spoken German. It left an impression on me, in any case, more than French even, which is obviously more often considered a beautiful language. It’s true that all languages have some unique expression and concepts (though my Japanese seemed suspiciously absent of them — I did learn some fun wordplay however), but I’ve noticed it more in German. It might be that I have more exposure to German and German translated into English, which is, as far as I can tell, a dreadful affair. I’ve found even good translations of German to be largely unintelligible for the subjects I was studying, and the culprit was usually that we couldn’t express the thought perfectly in English.
I think it was Disqus that did it. It must have been rejected immediately. I’m learning from my mistake (lost both my comments this time, and this one twice).
Manipulating the RNG isn’t a lot of trouble. Did you not manipulate the Tower to play maps with multiple Entombed to kill? It makes grinding much easier. Doing all the prep for a Lagdou run is fairly involved (and there’s still no guarantee you’ll survive the map of Draco Zombies at the end). Have you not tried that either? Lyon, as a bonus unit (after three Lagdou clears) can actually solo just about the entire thing, though the Draco Zombies will still wreck him.
I think I mean socially. I think people would meet Innes and kind of roll their eyes. They would find him unpleasant. They might think Tana is kind of weird. So I guess I mean that Ephraim and Lyn can better pass for normal? But it’s true there’s also the aspect of maturity that allows you to handle complex circumstances in life. In that case, I think Lyn would do less well, whereas Innes would clearly fair better. Tana would struggle here too, but I think we’re in agreement on her. Of course, I think most people would (and did) find Ike very strange, but he’s more than capable of handling difficult situations.
I am also in the “FE 18 will make me by a Switch” camp. The anxiety over FE 18 generally is very real. One thing that’s so interesting is that Radiant Dawn actually doesn’t have supports at all. It’s really incredible it has the character writing it has without them (there are base conversations though, like Shadow Dragon, New Mystery, and SoV). Of course, it also crams so much writing in that it seems to throw maps in sometimes just because it would be a VN otherwise.
Oh yeah, Matthew is more than adequate as a Thief, but so is Legault. I tend not to use thieves at all, instead relying on keys and enemy thieves to get loot. Some Fire Emblem games have maps with a lot to loot, but I never found enough on Blazing Blade maps to warrant a dedicated thief, which is good because Jaffar can’t loot chests anyway. I have so many Jaffar stories of him doing 0 damage to Limstella and Nergal and silencing them anyway. Matthew does have great supports. I’ve always appreciated that the series doesn’t directly correlate unit viability with character depth.
7! Oh my! I’m quite envious. I can’t even imagine. My Japanese and my French fight each other constantly. When I was first learning Japanese, I used to automatically substitute a French word when I forgot the Japanese one. Maybe it’s because I’m not adept at learning languages that the idea of learning even one without rigorous, dedicated study is foreign to me. So in that case (and I don’t know that you’re so much older than me that you use that on me *g*), it doesn’t look to me that *most* people have time for that. I don’t feel like I do now. While I acknowledge that my particular academic environment may not have been the best for my hopes of learning a language, having the freedom of that environment was no doubt very useful.
I don’t think I’m more inclined to any sensory input over another. I mean, I’m aware of the stereotypes of the German language, and I’ve heard some expressions that would seem to back them up, but I’ve also heard some beautifully spoken German. It left an impression on me, in any case, more than French even, which is obviously more often considered a beautiful language. It’s true that all languages have some unique expression and concepts (though my Japanese seemed suspiciously absent of them — I did learn some fun wordplay however), but I’ve noticed it more in German. It might be that I have more exposure to German and German translated into English, which is, as far as I can tell, a dreadful affair. I’ve found even good translations of German to be largely unintelligible for the subjects I was studying, and the culprit was usually that we couldn’t express the thought perfectly in English.
Disqus really seems to hate you right now… saw your replies in email notifications but they just don’t seem to stick… would ask for an email to continue the conversation because I’m really enjoying it but I know typing out an email online is just asking for trouble…
Yeah, I think I tried about four times total. It’s easier because I save the comments when I type them, but there’s at least a 20-minute delay between when I comment and when they disappear, and it’s not like I’m just sitting at my computer watching them. I really liked those comments too… 😀
I’m sure we can think of something if you want to continue the conversation. I’m also really enjoying it (and it’s been almost two weeks already somehow). Are you familiar with Discord? That seems like an easy way to go about it. It has a DM feature for one, which I would say is the primary benefit for our purposes.
I liked them too, but I fear my replies would get just as lengthy.
Wow, didn’t even realize that.
I’m not, but I’m positive I can work it out. Any Discord in particular? And I think this is where we might get into some trouble with timezones.
Well, in spite my suggesting it, I’m not completely familiar with all its workings myself. But I understand that you can join it (through either a mobile or desktop app), and then just friend request someone through their tag (mine is the same. I try to use this one for everything if I can).
I don’t think you need to be a part of any specific servers to use that feature (I’m only in a few), and while anyone can create one, I’m not sure if there’s any particular advantage to having a whole server for a couple people. In any case, I have friends who use Discord but who aren’t in any of the same servers I’m in, and we’re still “friends” in Discord.
The primary advantage, as I said, is that there’s a DM feature (with a very, very good search feature). The other advantage is that it’s private, so if we try it, and you don’t like it, then I can just give you my email there and we can resort to more conventional means.
I’m not really worried about timezones, since it hasn’t seemed like an issue so far, unless I’m not thinking of something.
Hey, sorry, I’ve been really busy the last few days and barely glancing at a pc in passing. I’ll try to find some time tonight after work but I’ve still got some stuff to get done. If I can manage I’ll come find you on Discord to finally reply to those comments that Disqus wouldn’t let you post 😉
I use this name pretty much everywhere as well, so no confusion there.
So they sort of re-invented and updated IRC then… I see.
Just wondering how well it handles offline msgs since I’m pretty certain the timezone thing will be an issue 🙂 I have a friend who’s only 1 hour away from me and it can still get tricky.
No worries! I’m a little surprised we were in a position to be so responsive all this time! I’m not going anywhere really, and there will be stretches where I’m quite busy too.
I think the messages should just sit until you boot up the app, or you could just leave it open, I guess. I do, and I have it on my phone, so I always get notifications and such, but you can set it up just about however you want.
The two actual Discord servers I’m in are very international. One of the guys I talk with the most is Irish and I’m the only American our my gaming group (UK, Ireland, Austria, Denmark, and possibly somewhere Scandinavian that I’m forgetting are represented). Plus, the U.S. spans four times zones and my brother is literally across the world from me. Point being, I think it should work out okay, but maybe I’ll see what you mean as we figure it out
I usually switch my pc off when I’m not using it, especially now that it’s summer and hot (I’m zero heat resistant…), and I’m someone who doesn’t look at her phone very much. I’ll even have the internet disabled most of the time. I love technology, but I don’t love being available at all hours *g* (or high phone bills)
But if it saves offline msgs properly that doesn’t matter.
Oh I’m used to talking to people all over the world, just meant that live chatting might not be the most likely to work out. And some messengers are very bad at handling offline communication, that’s all.
Btw, if you didn’t see my other msg, I need your four digit ID on Discord to be able to send you a friend request or find you.
I am also zero heat resistant incidentally..in any case, I think it should be fine. I’ve never had a problem with Discord sending messages offline. And I like said, I think we’ve been extraordinarily lucky to have been able to communicate as frequently as we have. I didn’t realize you needed the ID too (I have no idea what it’s for). It’s 0626.
Thanks, I should have some free time tonight so I’ll try it and maybe get back on track of the original point in the discussion.
I tried, but it seems I need a four digit number to send you a friend request. Anyway, I still have work to do tonight, so I’m afraid I’ll have to postpone this until tomorrow for now. Let me know what number I need and I’ll try again 🙂
this is actually part 2, see below, Disqus is not the smartest commenting system.
In replays I often purposefully grind for supports. In FE8 it’s easier since you can use the skirmishes and later the tower to do that. FE 6 though seems like it would really be a huge pain.
The supports are one of the reasons I end up using characters I usually wouldn’t.
I tend to alternate at least a little. Oswin I rarely use because of the movement. I think for me it’s more Hector, Eliwood, Fiora, Nino, Priscilla, Rebecca, Nils/Ninian, Kent, Florina and/or Farina, Canas, Lucius. And then fill in the gaps with what’s needed/fits the supports. I’ve used Erk, Heath, even Isadora, Legault, Louise, Lowen, Lyn, Matthew, Oswin, Pent, Rath, Raven, Sain, Serra, Vaida and Wil, all to good effect. And sometimes even the rest. And support helps in battle too. What can I say, Legault is another huge favorite. His supports are some of the most interesting. In some ways he was very much at the center of the whole FE 7 plot, not involved but as a witness and you learn some interesting things. Renaud is similar in that respect.
Anyone can learn languages, it’s just harder for some and easier for others. I do fall into the easier category. And I think having English as a first language really hurts your chances of picking up other languages. My best tip is if you want to learn a language, find a way to make learning it fun, and it’ll come easily over time.
P.S.: I usually run an “airforce” in FE and I like the cavalry. I makes for fun shenanigans like flanking, especially when you can block chokepoints with armor or heavy infantry. But you can also take out outliers, get to locations, etc. so I definitely always appreciate extra mobility. I like speed over strength, so that suits my playstyle more 🙂 But usually it’s smartest to play FE very defensively. Doesn’t mean those fliers and cavalry aren’t really useful though. Usually I try to keep a very mixed team, and I’ve always liked archers. It all depends on the map of course
I did comment on the other one too, but it got marked as spam again for some reason and there’s nothing I can do. I don’t know why that keeps happening.
It was something to the effect of I can’t make pivot work, armor march makes everything better and I was very happy to get Amelia back in the day (also because I adore her).
Wondering how you had no other dragons when adult Tiki, Nowi, Fae and Corrin are available at low rarity and male Kana was a GHB unit. Personally I’m only missing young Tiki. But most of my dragons aren’t built or even 5*. Fae just inherited the extra Alm’s windsweep though.
Blessings teams are:
water: Nino, Inigo, Marth and Fjorm, which is almost my arena core and to be honest mostly my TT core (although I’ve been known to run Ninian instead, only Inigo is so convenient with the TA Raven).
fire: horsie Chrom, horsie Ephraim, Cecilia and bunny Alfonse
wind: Arvis, Ishtar/Oboro, Felicia and Gunnthra
no earth team yet, only VL Ike and his best bud Raven, they need some team mates who aren’t Inigo and Fjorm. Maybe Delthea, maybe an archer. I try to choose a team which will actually benefit from the specific blessing when active.
The odd wind one is working out so well, just cleared Zephiel’s map with them. And Julius earlier today.
Never had Genny nor Micaiah and only a bad IV 4* Sothe. So can’t really compare.
Only with all those ranged units your score can’t be too great. You’ll probably have to move more towards melee if you want to stay in higher tiers. I’m dropping to 18 this week, with only 5 battles there’s no way I can go back to 20 again. In the past couple months I did from time to time. Inigo is really not helping but oh well.
Or we both need to start running armor… but I still don’t want to.
Haha you didn’t have to retype it. I get Disqus notifications, so I got the gist of it. Anyway, Amelia has basically the same stat spread as Robin, so no surprise you like her.
I didn’t mean I had no other dragons. I even promoted M Kana (and promptly forgot about it), but I don’t have good IVs for any but Grima and arguably F Corrin and Fae. F Corrin probably shouldn’t be run over Nowi and Kana, and I think it’d be crazy to run two green dragons, even if there are a number of good ones, so Grima wins there. I expect to one day have an adult Tiki and Nowi with good IVs to round out the group.
I will probably copy your blessing teams, or at least the Nino-Fjorm, Chrom-Ephraim, and Raven-Vike pairings. Lyn’s blessing is weak, and mine is -SPD, so I don’t know what I’ll do with that. She hits like a truck with her skills active, so maybe something with a lot of buffs. I pretty much need everybody to carry Reposition though. I live on that skill.
I am definitely shooting myself in the foot running all my ranged units (Xander, Reinhardt, Cecilia, Lyn or Micaiah, Sothe, Genny, and Azura), but I ran BK, Effie, Zephiel, and Hector back when Zephiel was the bonus hero and it didn’t seem to make a meaningful difference. I really don’t love running armors, but I can probably suck it up for five battles now, especially if it gets me back to Tier 18-19.
All the high level players talk about high-tier melee units in arena, and I was always thought that was weird, since ranged units seem much better, but I realize now it’s for scoring. -_-
Oh well.
I guess she does. Mine’s -def though. But just armor march, so convenient, and she’s fast. Fast armor, it was unheard of back then, apart from Draug.
Yeah, it’s a pity that two green dragons don’t make a lot of sense. All the green dragons are really good. And for the other colors there are few options and fewer who are as good as the green ones. I accidentally foddered the wrong adult Tiki once… so now I’m waiting for good IVs… never got lucky with Nowi. F Corrin can be built very differently since she’s faster than Nowi, but yeah, I guess if you had a good Nowi she’d be the better pick. Or run both, blue dragons, less worry about Falchions. But well, I’d always run Ninian then, obviously. The problem with Grima is the movement though.
Good luck finding them team mates. Water works well for me most of the time. I was considering changing Marth for Ayra but I run him mostly as a healer/buffer and to provide a Falchion when needed, so Ayra definitely wouldn’t be filling that role.
But the weird wind team is the surprise star right now. I made a lucky choice, they work really well together.
You’ll probably really have to build a team that’s specifically suited to make the most of Lyn’s skillset, entirely to support her. The blessing then becomes merely an afterthought.
Personally I don’t like having Reposition on everyone XD I like having Draw Back on ranged units, Swap on tanks. Reposition on some of the others. Fliers for sure, as they can make the best use of it.
Horses have low BST too. My score definitely went up a lot when I switched to mostly infantry melee.
Interesting you say that the armor season didn’t increase your score. I’ve not tried yet, happy with my current team. My Raven’s worth a lot in BST.
Yup, exactly. Some skills also are run for score, not utility. To that end Galeforce is doubly good.
Oh man, thinking back on when this game came out… I was using Palla and Gunter in arena XD Well, Gunter was actually my only green for some time there. He’s got almost 2000 HM, though he’s pretty terrible.
I think Nowi and Kana are clearly better than F Corrin that this point. More ATK and better mixed bulk. Plus comparable DEF, but Corrin was the equivalent of your Gunter/Palla, since she was +DEF and could wall all the swords early on. I had a random IV *4 Nino, and I pulled my current +SPD/-HP 5* Marth really early, so he got a ton of run.
I think one red, two blue, and one green is probably the best dragon combo. I didn’t know what refined Light Breath did until recently, but I would probably run Ninian with my dragons if I had her. Even then, I see a lot of TA Swordbreaker Ninians. In a perfect world, I’d probably use Myrrh in the green spot, since she has Hone already and Grima can slso be an effective armor. Alternatively, with girl Grima, one could run tactics dragons with Myrrh and two infantry. Somedsy maybe…
Blucina seems like a good partner for Lyn. I might add Ryoma for DC and Hone Spd. After that, no idea. My haphazardly assigned blessings teams have beaten most of the GHBs and the Gardens maps (except the water one with Legion that seems impossible), and in most cases they’re just a collection of good units. They hold their own in the arena too.
It’s not that my score didn’t change from using armors. It’s just that it doesn’t make enough of a difference to move me up a tier
I used to use Subaki and Jeorge lot, and then Chrom was my first 5* and saw a lot of use, and Cordelia my second 5*, who’s really good anyway. My Cecilia is still my first, so she’s very old, and my Nino actually I’ve had a very long time as well. First one had -HP + ATk which has suited me fine.
Marth I’ve only started using a lot a few months ago, but since then he has become a TT staple and caught up hugely in HM.
Yes, if I build a dragon team Ninian is definitely on it. She naturally has Fortify Dragons anyway. Mine is running Fury (I know I’m getting really predictable… I don’t actually have that on everyone or anything, just apparently my favorites?) and Wings of Mercy. Ironically, she absolutely destroys any (red) Eliwood I encounter…
Myrrh’s a flier though so unless I put the Iote’s Shield seal on her I’ll have to always be careful of bows. I’d have a really hard time deciding on a green dragon.
That’s a nice idea. My girl Grima is unfortunately -def, which really hurts her, and especially her niche on a flier team.
Blucina, Eirika or refined Falchion Marth. Ryoma’s never wrong, really. If you want a dancer maybe PA Shigure if you have one, to buff her defenses for baiting.
Which one’s the one with Legion? I have one water map not beaten and I’ll try again with Ayra once water season comes around. I’ve not focused on the GHB quests much yet.
Just checked, yes, the one with Legion is also the one I’ve yet to beat.
I see. Sometimes it can be really close though and 2-6 points make all the difference.
Scored 3508 right now, which is not terribly high, but as high as I seem to get currently… definitely not good enough for Tier 20 but seems easily enough for 19? Then again, it’s only the first day. Ishtar isn’t really pushing BST super high, but I just can’t quit my Inigo and I don’t have Shiro and don’t have Kana built, so no other blue for a bonus. And it’s Earth season, I’m not switching out VL Ike when he can be buffing my Raven extra.
Yeah, Myrrh would require Iote’s Shield. I don’t know what you’re currently doing with yours (Spring Camilla gets mine, and I’d be remiss to change that). I should’ve known your Ninian had Fury, which explains where the extra speed came from.
I faced a Vike, Ishtar, Myrrh, and Kinshinoka team earlier. I managed to beat it with my armors, which isn’t a ringing endorsement, but that seemed like a really good group team. I guess it doesn’t solve the BST problem really though.
I have both Eirika and Ephraim with buffing potential, and then I could add Nino or Katarina as well. I feel like refined Marth might fit better, though I’m sure we’ll get Legendary Marth at some point, so I should probably wait to see what his new Falchion does first (I just upgraded Lucina to the Sealed Falchion, so she’s basically Horse Chrom without the Horse. So still really good, in other words. I’m very torn on dancers now generally. They’re so great, but I’m not sure if I could compensate for their BST.
I have Klein, Robin, Ike, and Kana, of the Arena heroes. Klein is already earth blessed, so I just went with him, even though that’s not going to help me in terms of BST. I’ll probably try a few runs with Kana and Ike to see if that helps. My current team is on pace for 3463, but that includes Klein and Tailtiu, so perhaps that’s no surprise, even if the Tailtiu is merged a bit.
Right now it’s on Valter, so I guess it would go to whoever replaces him.
*whistles innocently* I really don’t have it on everyone, but it is ever so useful.
Seems nice. I guess I could even try that.
I’m starting to get the impression that merges may be even more important for the whole scoring thing. Unfortunately I don’t have heavy merges. At least not at 5*. Inigo +4 is still the highest, with only a few +2 or +1 otherwise. The 4*+10 don’t count as much and you might face some nasty merges running that kind of thing.
My refined Falchion Marth is an excellent healer/buffer so I’m happy with him already. Still, you never know. It’s a good thing I didn’t refine any of the Awakening Falchions before, since now that the Sealed Falchion is available that would probably seem like a waste of divine dew. I only ever got a pity breaking Lucina and she’s -spd so I never did anyhing with her.
If you have any merged dancers I guess it may compensate some? I mean, I’m still bringing Inigo and he’s got terrible BST.
I could use Kana, Robin, Ike, Klein, Amelia or Anna, but then I’d have to change someone other than Fjorm or not have one of each color. And well, not all of them are built properly, or even 5*. So will stick to mine for now.
Or use the newly formed wind blessing team. Slightly lower score, but does arena very easily. Beat Legion GHB with wind team easily too just now.
Oh, and my Lene misadventure continues… in only a handful or orbs I got ambushed by Mia and another Ishtar on a round without red orbs. I’m really lucky on this banner, just not for the unit I’m trying to get?
As for Ishtar, my original one is nicer, so now I’m debating on whether to fodder her for Swift Sparrow or Odd Attack Wave or to merge her. I’m leaning towards fodder but I’m not sure which skill or who to give it to. I guess Odd Attack Wave would be brilliant on Nino, but I like Drive Spd on her.
To be fair, I also put Fury on a lot of things, probably only limited by the number of Hinatas I have.
I don’t feel like merges should matter too much, since they don’t raise BST too much, unless you’re almost fully merged, but it should already be clear I don’t understand how the scoring works.
Refined Marth seems pretty good, but the Sealed Falchion absolutely powercreeped the Awakening Falchion (+4 to all when adjacent vs. +5 to all when damaged? I guess losing renewal is something, but still), so I’m at least going to wait and see.
I was just listing units I have built. Like I have Anna obviously, but she’s not going near my arena line-up. I’m surprised that wind team handled the Legion GHB. With all the reinforcements, I would think that team would have to take a hit at some point, and they don’t seem like a sturdy bunch.
I also put Drive Spd on everything. It’s great when it stacks with other speed buffs (like how my Micaiah gets 11 spd from her teammates). I would probably keep the second Ishtar around for fodder, though I don’t know of anybody in particular who might like those skills. Same with Mia in case Flashing Blade becomes useful to someone in the future. I feel for you though.
Merges don’t figure into BST at all, they’re counted separately and matter a lot. Unfortunately.
My Amelia is alright but without an all armor team I don’t want to run her. My Anna has a pretty nice build but there’s no way she can compete with Raven. Especially in an Earth week.
On the first try without issue. No one even has Reposition. It was mostly staying out of range of anything non-magical and tag teaming the Legions. This team really has surprised me with how very well it works. All the debuffs aren’t hurting either.
Didn’t even put Oboro, just Ishtar.
I never got more than the one Drive Spd to pass around, so that makes me extra reluctant to replace it on Nino. My barracks are pretty full… Already merged the Mia. I had a hell of a time finding someone for Flashing Blade last time I got a Mia (the second one), so I really didn’t see the point this time.
Huh I would’ve thought it would’ve mattered at least a little bit, since BST does change a bit, but it make sense that it counts separately too. Although, I subbed out an unmerged unit for my +5 Masked Marth (the Lucina I mentioned) and it looks only like 10 points or more each round from my preferred group and only about two from the group I was currently using. Still not getting to your score. I guess I have to play around with it more.
I’ve been testing out two armors, one with March and one with Hone, along with two other units (in this case infantry, but doesn’t have to be). You might use your Amelia that way, if you’re looking for an excuse to use her.
I believe you, but I’m still having trouble imagining it. That GHB gives me such a hard time. I doubt I would’ve been able to do that at least.
Yeah, I guess Flashing Blade isn’t necessarily that good. Heavy Blade isn’t even really used in the A-slot anymore. Same as you I guess, I have that one Lucina, my Reinhardt is +3, and then I have a few +1s and +2s, but that’s about it. I might start merging some of the GHB units I use, since that’s really why I’m holding on to them anyway. Robin, BK, Arvis, and Camus come to mind.
10 points per round is 50 in the end though.
But skills also play a role. The more expensive the (pre-inheritance) skill, the more points. Sacred Seals also count, and also count by skill “price” afaik.
Yes, I might, but green means switching out Raven or Inigo so I’m not sure I want to XD I might have a try though, not like there’s much to improve where my score is concerned…
Not sure about that. All the debuffs on that team definitely help. It means Gunnthra’s Blizzard hits extremely hard on the debuffed units. I have Res Ploy on Gunnthra + Chilling Seal. Valflame + Def Ploy on Arvis. And the Def Ploy seal on Ishtar. I know reduced defence doesn’t matter to a magic team, but it matters for Gunnthra’s damage and potentially sometimes for Felicia.
So mostly it was a matter of baiting the magic units, staying ouf of range of any physical attacker and making sure there were always 2 units available to take out a Legion.
But yes, I’m still surprised myself at how powerful this has turned out to be. That GHB used to give me some trouble too.
Heavy Blade as a Seal is definitely more appealing. Flashing Blade is only good on very fast characters with long cooldown specials or that want to trigger them every engagement. But usually they’ll want something better in the A-slot to support their stats. So yeah, merged the Mia.
Oh the precious feathers to do so. Camus would be a good project though. I guess I should focus on the units I use in arena. But that’s tricky. Raven can’t really go anywhere unless I 5* him after all. VL Ike and Inigo are very limited in availability. And my preferred 4th, Fjorm, likewise.
Yeah, but I usually make new teams based around whatever bonus unit I’m using that season, so it’s 50 points better than my standard group (which is what I was suggesting with Amelia) , but still not nearly enough to me up a tier. As you say, I’m sure skills and seals matter too, but I’m not going to start messing with my builds to find out how at this point.
I understand the theory behind the debuffs, I just kind of doubt I could do it. Although. I don’t have Gunnthra, so maybe I just don’t appreciate the strength of Blizzard.
Flashing Blade has worked for my Mia. She usually procs Luna off her first combat and kills whatever, but I guess it’s a little less necessary than Heavy Blade. I mean, if you’re fast enough to proc it reliably, then you’re probably fast enough to double, which is probably going to kill the opponent anyway, especially since the really fast units have pretty good attack too. But I don’t know.
I’ve got about 220,000 feathers. I tend to use them unnecessarily promoting new units. I really should use them for merges and maybe inheriting weapons. I feel like I should start working toward some +10s of easily obtainable characters, even if I only have enough to max out one. It’s hard to know who will get crept though…except Reinhardt. He will probably always be good.
Ah, I do it the other way around. I have my core and see which one of them I can switch for a bonus unit that season.
I think my Amelia wouldn’t really get that many points. I may try anyway since I’ve already put in my score. Still above the top 20% so should be smooth sailing back to Tier 19 next week. If you’re in 18 too right now and not going up, do you have any idea around where the cutoff is? The required scores definitely have gone up a lot over time.
The double rally skills and skills like Galeforce and Aether are worth a lot. Probably stuff like Steady Breath too.
That’s the thing though, I’ve not really done any positioning to trigger them deliberately. I’m bad at that, it just works out *g* I did Clarisse too yesterday, np. But Berkut’s map definitely doesn’t work with this team, at all. I might try with Oboro instead of Ishtar. She takes a lot of punishment to put down.
Blizzard is a bit like a reverse Bladetome. Any debuff values are added as extra damage for her, plus you can buff her, so with active debuffs on an enemy she hits so hard. Add in the debuffs just as stat reduction and you get even more damage. Simple example, enemy has Res-5 from debuff, so Blizzard hits 5 harder in the first place + 5 points added to damage. Only if speed, defense or attack are also debuffed then that’s additional extra damage, less damage Gunnthra takes from reduced attack and more likely to double because of debuffed speed. So yes, she’s only really worth it in a debuff centric team, but then she’s super powerful.
Heavy or Flashing Blade is mostly worth it on builds with Galeforce or Aether, maybe Ignis or Glacies.
I’ve used some for inheriting weapons, but it always feels a bit weird.
I guess I could try saving up for a 5* + 10 Raven, he’s common enough. Or one of the other more available characters.
Your way arguably makes more sense. One problem I’m having now is I don’t have enough movement skills, so that limits my teambuilding tremendously. I’m in Tier 17 now. I was unlucky that I happened to be in 18 when the format changed, but at only 3464 I’m near the very top of the tier, so I’ll probably be going up soon. I could probably settle for dipping between 17 and 18, and lose that one orb, but I guess that’s about 26 orbs per year that way, if I drop every two weeks.
I guess Blizzard should be perfectly analogous to a Blade tome then, since a buff to atk or a debuff to res accomplish pretty much the same thing. It helps that debuffs can happen automatically now. People were freaking out about a possible Spring Catria/Gunnthra pairing because of that.
I inherit weapons when I really want to build the character. Otherwise, it’s probably not worth the investment
I was summoning almost exclusively green recently so I got all the movement skills I needed, but you seem particularly set on Reposition. I like using that, Swap and Draw Back.
I’m pretty high myself, but I already know from last week that this score isn’t enough to go to 20, so down from 19 again the week after 🙂
Yeah, it’s definitely nicer getting 4 Orbs. I’m a bit sad I can’t go between 19 and 20 anymore, the extra feathers were nice too.
Yes, essentially, however I guess the debuffs are a little more advantageous to the rest of the team as well.
I considered that, but her res is too low so I didn’t put her on the wind team.
What people should really worry about is a spring Kagero with a Smoke Dagger + Gunnthra and a dancer, oh the carnage. Or any dagger use really, but she has good stats and maximum movement flexibility.
I did consider it but mine is -res and with LnD that puts her res far too low to make any sense on this team.
Don’t ask, somehow I ended up with all the bunnies from this year, while I have none from the last one. I guess it comes down to me really wanting a nice bunny Alfonse for that fire blessing horsie team. Can’t really complain, they’re all good. Kagero and Catria happened on sessions without green orbs.
The joke will be on me when groom Marth turns out to be the best green cavalry axe.
Likewise.
It’s not that I’m particularly set on Reposition so much as it’s the only one I seem able to use effectively. I can’t make use of Swap at all, and while I use Draw Back a little bit, there usually comes a point where I just wish I had Reposition instead. I don’t think one is necessarily better than another.
You make a good point. The debuffs do benefit your whole team, which is really nice. I did not think of the Smoke Dagger at all! That does sound terrifying! Although you do need to attack to use it, I guess. Still, I would totally build that if I had a Gunnthra, although I’d probably just run Sothe in that case, since the Peshkatz also buffs (the secret to my arena team with PA Azura actually. It’s not just Gravity spam…okay it’s mostly Gravity spam, but it’s a nice fallback.
I actually have all of the rabbits from last year and none of this year. I can’t remember what compelled me to do, but I pulled Chrom and Camilla at the time (and regret nothing), and accidentally pulled Xander and Lucina during their subsequent appearances (the Xander is -ATK, so I kind of regret that). The original art had so much more charm. Xander is covered in animals and Lucina’s hat emotes through her art. It’s lovely!
I kind of suspect Marth will pretty good. Maybe not Black Knight good, but at least as good as Eliwood. Since he’s a Tempest Trial reward, I doubt he’ll have anything that will make you feel forced to bench Alfonse, but since I don’t have a axe cavalier promoted, I will probably appreciate him.
Ah ah, this time your comment got deleted again. And no, not surprised, but still wondering what about a long text automatically suggest “spam” to Disqus.
Swap I generally put on tanks, so if I attack in player phase with someone frail, who won’t be able to get out of the danger zone (…) then I move my tank up and swap. If they’re enemy phase units, all the better. So it’s to me a “put someone else in attack range and protect the squishie” movement skill. Sure you can get them out of harm’s way with reposition too, but then you give up the potential enemy phase counter.
And sometimes there are no fields you can reposition to, because of the terrain, in which case you could’ve still used swap most times.
I did beat the Berkut GHB with the wind team with Oboro, I did it with earth too, but had to give an earth blessing to Lilina to make it work. Still working on Valter. Gunnthra was actually a bit of a liability on the Berkut map because of the red mage cavalier (with raudrwolf I think) and the firesweep bow knight. Valter’s map would just really be easier with fliers…
Bunny Kagero with Smoke Dagger + Hit and Run, no danger, for example. I will probably give her that dagger eventually. Although with her terrible res it’s still a bit of a waste on wind team. Felicia’s Plate doesn’t offer as much of a debuff as the Smoke Dagger, but she has adaptive damage and really high res, so that’s good.
The only (4*) Sothe I have has bad IVs or I would’ve considered him for this for sure.
I agree that the art at least for everyone but Camilla seemed nicer than this year. From this year I think Sharena got the nicest one. But Alfonse is also pretty cute if a little weird. All in all I like them 🙂
I think I’ve beaten all of them with Earth, because Vike is incredible and I think I’m also running a Klein there. I haven’t beaten Berkut, Valter, or Arvis with any of the others, I think, but I believe I’ve beaten the rest with all of them, even with my horribly mismanaged teams.
I know the theory behind Swap, but somehow no one is ever in the right place for me. Reposition primarily struggles with horses, since terrain can be a limiting factor, but it’s pretty funny to chain a couple repositions together. I think I’ve just gotten really good at using the skill…
I can’t speak on Felicia, since she is one of those units I just don’t have a good copy of (I’m not even sure what IVs I’m looking for to be honest, but she seems suitably unique enough to be fun. Her adaptive damage is always good, though now that armors have mixed bulk, it might be a little late.
I agree that this year’s spring heroes are pretty boring. Alfonse has grown on me because of the memes, and I like Sharena’s hair. Camilla and Kagero are basically the same though, and well…there’s no more to really say on that. Catria is adorable, but the costume isn’t particularly imaginative.
You’ll probably get a Sothe eventually. His IVs don’t matter too much, since he only has two stats, so to speak. Either ATK or SPD will do. You cannot use Hit and Run with daggers, as it turns out, but you could use Reposition ;). Even if you could, it probably wouldn’t make me want THAT Kagero. I struggle with the concept of a dagger flier in general. In fact, I’m very traditional with my classes. I still regard the GBA classes as canon, for whatever reason. None of these Malig Knights and Dark Knights and Dark Fliers and so on
He _is_ really good, isn’t he *g*
I’ve not really paid attention to those quests yet, but now I’ll try and catch up on them, as the element weeks come up. I only did a few water ones before.
Interesting. In the beginning I never got any reposition to inherit so I guess I just learned how to use swap well. I prefer reposition on the fliers, but even there I have swap on the designate tanky one.
+Atk or +Spd, -Def
I have +Atk -Def, 4* +10 (again), with Felicia’s plate (not refined yet, but will be), with Glacies (the refine gives cooldown reduction against mages), Swift Stance 2 (Spd/Res +4 when defending), Cancel Affinity 2 (don’t have 3), Drive Res 2 (might change for wind team as they don’t really need it) and Savage Blow 3 SS
the Plate does the usual Def/Res -7 area debuff most daggers have. Comes in at 36/42/39/17/37 unbuffed. So with Gunnthra’s blessing it’s 41 res, when defending 45, which make her a great magic tank and Glacies will hit very hard. With the refine she’ll be even better at battling and especially baiting, mages. 43 speed unbuffed when defending isn’t bad either 🙂 I invested in her a little because I had the skills and she seems like good fun. Which is true, especially with the new weapon.
I got two Sothes by now, one was -spd +def and the other -def +res, so… yeah, not great.
I knew there was something I was forgetting there with that plan *g* but I don’t think I’ll have trouble keeping flying Kagero out of trouble.
I get the classes thing, but at the same time I loved Dark Fliers in Awakening.
I think I have a +SPD/-DEF Felicia. I should give her a shot. I’ve been hoarding Dew with all these random characters getting new weapons, and I still hope use Soren one day as well. I feel like SPD makes more sense, since the adaptive damage should compensate for her ATK, and she’ll want to double to get those special charges anyway. I’m a little surprised you didn’t put Fury on her. I would probably use her as player phase unit, so I might go with Death Blow or Darting Blow. I also have a random -SPD Summer Gaius from a legendary who would surely give up Def Ploy.
My current Sothe is actually -DEF/+RES. That’s how I pulled him. I even opted not to merge him with a +SPD/-RES one, because he’s really frail as it is. If I have trouble with him, it’s having him take a hit, but he also gets a lot of offensive team support.
I’ve never been able to effectively use any of the hybrid classes. They tend to have moderate, balanced stats and don’t level their weapons too quickly. Even in Fates, I always reclass Camilla into a Wyvern Lord and Leo into a Sorcerer. I find they need the stat changes
At 5* without merges that puts you at 37 attack, but she mostly does damage via her special. And it’s still enough against most mages since their defenses are terrible. Speed is good for sure.
I mainly use her in enemy phase to bait mages, so Fury made no sense to me, especially since I never intended to put Desperation on her, she doesn’t have the damage output to make that worthwhile. This way she gets a nice boost to her speed and the stat her damage comes from, resistance.
Death Blow might be better to compensate the damage but it’s a very interesting Felicia build.
Oh what a pity, -spd on summer Gaius, his speed is pretty good without a bane.
Well, I might consider it then 🙂 But I have no attachment to him so I’m telling myself I’ll wait for one where I like the IVs better.
I’ve never really liked Malig Knight, but I definitely love the Basara class. And Dread Fighter. And in Awakening the Bride class, despite the ridiculous outfit, kicked some serious ass. That might be my archer bias though.
I will probably try the +SPD Felicia at some point. Cancel Affinity seems like a good move there. I’m torn though. I thought player phase, as I said, but having an all-purpose mage baiter might be more useful. Fury would be mostly for the SPD and RES, and it would allow you to run +ATK for a nice 43 total. But since I don’t have a +ATK one right now, I’m probably not going that route.
I pretty much refused all new classes hybrid in Fates. I don’t even know what the Basara does or who can become one (or what a Basara is). I do know I typically run Takumi, Setsuna, and Mozu as snipers in Birthright, and sometimes all three of the ninjas. Fates really loved to throw staves and occasionally tomes on some weird things.
I never used the bride, but I’m pretty sure I had each of the men of Awakening take a turn as the Dread Fighter to get Aggressor.
Mine’s already at 42 attack, but basically, she is very frail unless tanking magic and although the plan is for her not to get hit in her case I would like to avoid the -6HP from Fury. If I had Desperation on her it’d be a different story, but she’s usually not strong enough to take a full health enemy out unless her special is charged or the enemy has bad defenses, so she’d still get hit by a counter, so it doesn’t make sense to me. But I’m sure it can be made to work, play her a bit differently. She’s very good at baiting mages. And since she does physical damage, which most mages have little defense against, she makes for a good magekiller.
The Basara can use spears and tomes. Some of the characters it’s available to can take great advantage, it has nice growth rates to even out some of the characters that have specific weaknesses and it has the Rend Heaven skill which is just insane. I also liked the Merchant class, spears + bows.
It could get tricky to keep up a proper army composition with too many classes to choose from as role definitions got pretty muddy, but I also found that some of the old classes didn’t have the statlines/growths I remembered and wouldn’t necessarily fill the same roles, so I tried out all the new ones. And like I said, I always like mobility so had fun playing around with additional mounted classes, whether flying or not.
The bride was ace *g* I still have quite a few of the women in it. Maybe it’s just my thing for using archers.
Yeah, I can see why why Cancel Affinity would be better in that case. If she’s going to check mages, she might as well as well check them all. I definitely don’t have a Sharena to fodder, so I’ll have to improvise on the A-slot anyway. I have a random Dorcas lying around, but I don’t know if that’s the best use of Fierce Stance.
I was actually going to mention the merchant class as one I never touched. It felt weird in universe, you don’t actually get one naturally, unless you count the children, who I did not use in Fates, and I couldn’t make sense of its skills. Plus Snipers are excellent. I definitely didn’t know it had access to spears. If I remember right, Sage (Onmyoji) and Falcon Knight are two that don’t quite function the way they used (you strike me as someone who would use Kinshi Knights — I never have). The Priestess/Great Master classes seemed like a bust to me, because Sakura and Azama didn’t effectively make use of them. I guess I find that most characters excel more at one offensive stat, such that it doesn’t really make sense to split their coverage. The physical/staff split on some classes drove me crazy.
Virion ruined archers for me in Awakening. I never went back.
If you have anything suitable I guess anything that improves ideally speed and res, or in your case maybe attack and res, or one of those three stats, so even a plain Atk +3, may do. Fury probably would too, I just think she’s a bit too frail, but what do I know, I’ve not actually tried. Ah yes, bunny Sharena as fodder, the side effects of me going a bit crazy on the bunny banner. It was the perfect skill for Felicia though. I don’t think Fierce Stance is really worth it, probably, since it still doesn’t give her good attack. But once again, I haven’t actually tried.
Mozu is such a beast as merchant class. And the clumsy battle animations suit her perfectly as well. For skills I actually reclassed people strategically to get some specific ones. That could get tedious though.
Yes, the Falcon Knights were off in Awakening already, which is one reason I got started on Dark Fliers.
I don’t actually use the Kinshi Knights. it’s sort of tempting but I think that Fates is the one game where I find fliers underwhelming on the whole, and the Kinshi Knights in particular have abysmal statlines and growths. I like the Amaterasu skill so I sometimes pick that up, but other than that I avoid the class.
Azama is much better as a Basara, for example.
You’re right that many characters are specialized, but some aren’t, and some can turn out better in the offensive stat that they don’t use with their starting class.
Naw, I always appreciated having extra healers in a pinch.
In Awakening, Libra was fantastic at the mixed damage thing. Or well, sometimes he was much better physically than magically.
But you just said Snipers were excellent in Fates XD
And aww, Virion was one of my favorites in Awakening. He definitely wasn’t the strongest initially but I managed to make mine very good in the end. Then again, with Awakening’s limitless leveling I managed that with anyone I liked post game…
I’d probably at least try Fury if I had it to give. I think 43 ATK with Fierce Stance might be worth it if I’m committed too using her in enemy phase only. I don’t really like giving up GHB units so I probably wouldn’t give her Oliver’s Swift Strike.
I figured Mozu is your Merchant, but the thing is that she naturally reclasses to Sniper anyway. I mostly relied to spotpass or whatever to have people grind skills for me. Then I just bought them from the logbook. Of course, that leads to things like everybody having Aptitude (from hacking I guess), which can be really funny.
My issue with the melee/staff split is in cases where the units have great magic and underwhelming strength, because they have no offense with their better stat. I don’t recall either Sumia or Cordelia having the growths to be an effective Dark Flier. Cordelia in particular is let down by her overwhelming class. She usually has great growths.
I never used Kinshi Knights for exactly those reasons, and as I’ve mentioned, I’m usually running three archers in Birthright anyway. I just thought you might’ve tried, seeing as it seems to combine your two favorite things. Azama seems like he would be a good Basara, but I wouldn’t know whether he’s more useful with tomes than he would be as a Great Master, where he seems like a discount Oboro wirh a little bit of healing potential. But then, I never really used him.
I never use Libra either. I have such a bias against pre-promotes by this point in the series. Plus, unlike in Fates, my Awakening roster was slowly usurped by all the children. I meant that Virion made me never want to try an archer in Awakening. I usually see something absurd like 16/27/14 STR/SKL/SPD upon promotion.
At that value it might.
It’s not at all bad on Oboro either.
The Dark Fliers could still uses lances, my primary concern was the improved res growth, so I could still use my pegasi the way I was used to, as magekillers. Maribelle for one could take good advantage of Dark Flier’s tomes. And of course, Galeforce is just broken. This way you could also easily pass it on to more children. My Awakening army is full of Galeforce, it’s everywhere. But Dark Flier wasn’t necessarily a final class. If we’re talking best class we’re back to bride (and dreadfighter).
Yeah, but weirdly enough I was never much into Bow Knights either. It seems I prefer my cavalry and airforce to be melee (Dark Fliers excluded).
Azama’s final class would probably go back to Great Master, but Basara could improve his stats and skills on the way for a few levels. Azama is incredibly tanky, so I’ve used him like that at times.
We definitely have different preferences XD Libra and Virion both are probably my Awakening favorites (and Panne). Libra turned into an absolute monster for me. Finally left him as Dreadfighter and he’s insanely good. Not all pre-promotes are as terrible as Jagen and Marcus and their equivalents. And Virion and Libra’s support is… something *g* I have no idea about what stats are what in Awakening, I played so long post game that everyone turned into demigods. I don’t recall using archers a lot in Awakening, it may have been a bad game for them.
And yes, the children definitely took over for me as well.
My Caeda only has 44 ATK. Granted she’s often buffed, but I have no problem with her damage. Gamepress recommends +SPD/-DEF. I guess her speed tiers matter. It also recommends both Fury and Cancel Affinity. I assume Oboro has more than 40 ATK though.
That’s true. I don’t remember which Fire Emblem game began the decline of the Pegasus Knight as a magical tank. That was most of the appeal. Bow Knights are also the quintessential class that typically seems to have bad growths and caps after 8. I don’t use them either. Magic cavalry was overwhelming until the 3DS games, I felt, and I mostly used the exceptions (Priscilla and L’arachel) for healing utility. Maribelle and Elise were really powerful offensively though.
That reminds me! You’ve never played with Clarine! In 6, Clarine (who you’ve at least seen in Heroes) is an early troubadour recruit. She has sub-25 health promoted, and usually around 12 MAG, but she is unhitable, especially with certain supports that are really easy to get for her. Late game she’ll be surrounded by enemies that will one-shot her if they hit, but they will have sub-10 hit percentages, and she’ll just chip away at them with her weak Fire spell (because of weight and tome skill). It’s one of the craziest things in the series I think.
I rarely felt like I had to change classes a lot in Fates. I mostly just go through the game and use the units I want. I tried to do Apotheosis in Awakening, but I could only grind for so many Limit Breakers. I gave up. In Awakening, I used Tharja a ton, and then Henry, with all the broken dark magic. After that, Rally Spectrum Robin and Morgan (you might not play as male Robin, so I don’t know if you’ve done this, but Galeforce Morgan is crazy. Gets a kill and then spectrums on her second move (I love Morgan). Libra seems like he’d make a good Dread Fighter. I know not all pre-promotes are bad — I use Pent religiously (and any late game mage with staff support) You probably didn’t use archers much because Virion is the only natural archer in the game…(love the character, not the unit).
Have fun then and tell me how it goes 🙂
Ah, the Oboro comment was in regards to merchant class and Fates.
L’Arachel was mostly a healer for me too, but Priscilla could do both offense and support effortlessly. Maribelle was just awesome all over.
Oh I’ve used Clarine a lot in heroes, and of course, know her parents.
That sounds like what I do with Nino in FE 7 (I usually keep the Afa’s drops for her and watch her become invincible). Only she hits harder.
I’ve not tried Apotheosis, although I guess I probably have the units for it.
I don’t even remember right now, but I guess Robin was my parent gen MVP and then of course, the kids. And anyone with Galeforce. I played through once as female Robin, and started another playthrough as male Robin (you get very used to playing as male when you’re not…) and got almost to the end but didn’t recruit the kids, so I have no experience with female Morgan. Got Galeforce on my first Robin though 😉 and a lot of the kids.
Love Pent, though I only used him about half the time.
Maybe, but I could’ve reclassed. Virion ended up a Wyvern Lord.
I…can’t imagine Merchant Oboro (and definitely not Wyvern Lord Virion). I tend to only run characters in their traditional classes with limited exceptions.
My L’arachel was the more functional offensive unit for me compared to Priscilla. I mostly just use Priscilla because I was told I should. She’s never really turned out spectacularly for me, and I don’t usually need healers in 7 once all my mages promote. I imagine that’s not the case on Hector hard, but I’ve only played that once, when I was much younger, and it was a scarring experience. I’m also not sure how you’re supposed to have it interact with Lyn’s mode. For example, having a leveled Dorcas makes Hector’s mode significantly easier to start, but I never use him in Lyn’s mode, and there’s not enough experience in her mode for all her characters anyway.
It’s hard to appreciate Clarine if you’ve only seen her in Heroes because Heroes has no dodging mechanic. 6 is a much less forgiving game than 7, (and also more extreme, which makes it fun. For example, your swordmaster could have achieve a 100% critical rate with weapons, stats, and supports a certain way), so every enemy throughout the game will destroy Clarine if they can. Nino is an endgame unit obviously, so you get less time with her, and her health is usually in the low 30s for me (unlike Clarine’s 22-26 range), so she can tank some hits. Plus, there’s just something funny about watching Clarine poke everyone to death.
Morgan powercreeps Robin more than anything that has happened in Heroes so far, but I guess that’d be true for the male one too, so it’s really only about whether you’ve tried her with Galeforce. I guess it’s true though that a female Robin will also have Galeforce, and then I think it could still be passed down to a male Robin anyway, but I don’t remember for sure. I will almost always play a game as a female character if it changes the events at all, but yeah, I’m very aware of the massive gender imbalance across gaming. I’ve done a few female Robin playthroughs.
Pent is a great character, and I find he’s always useful for his staves. I just keep him supplied with Physic all game.
Well, she’s still got a lance, so it’s not that weird. I’ll give you Virion. But at some point post game I think my initial savegame of Awakening had most characters go through almost all of their class options once… I don’t know either.
I was going to ask what class you promoted them to but then I remembered that you get no choice in FE 7 (oh how nice it was to not have to think about it). What about L’Arachel though? I’ve always preferred the Valkyrie.
I’ve never put myself through Hector Hard mode so no idea.
The no dogding thing is good and bad both. Recently I went back and finally finished Echoes after my n3DS was repaired and it took quite some getting used to the mechanics again after playing Heroes so much this past year.
100% critical is crazy *g* But then I was playing Divinity Original Sin 2 a lot earlier this year and there are certain builds in it you also definitely want to push towards critical hit rates of 70-80%.
Yes, maybe, but Nino never gets hit either. Poking enemies to death sounds great though.
I can’t tell anymore with so many units having maxed all their stats or that + limit breaker. But you’re right, I checked, I inherited Galeforce to male Morgan 🙂
I don’t actually mind playing as a male character, I just always have to roll my eyes quite hard when for once the only option is female and the predictable whining and complaining of a certain demographic starts and the “how are we supposed to identify with this” because… really…? We’re still all people and the other half of the population seems to have done fine for centuries or more. Because let’s face it, that imbalance isn’t present only in games. But like I said, generally I don’t mind at all. Rather, sometimes it can be worse to have a female protagonist written in a terrible way. But I digress, sorry *g*
If there’s a game with both options like FE where it matters I generally do both at some point as well. And Fire Emblem has been pretty good about keeping a balance anyway (if not in lords then in general cast).
Maybe it’s because the Merchant looks so dopey and Oboro is so intense. For Virion, I mean, he’s the archest of archers after all. A wyvern just wouldn’t do.
If I remember correctly, the Mage Knight and Valkyrie have identical stat spreads, so it’s really a matter of what advantages each weapon type has. I think I chose Mage Knight because anima magic is cool, but canonically she’s probably a Valkyrie, and I’d probably pick that now in case I wanted to use Purge in the post-game. It has a much better hit rate than Bolting.
I’m surprised you didn’t do Hector Hard Mode. I generally assume most (pre-3DS) Fire Emblem fans are pretty hardcore strategy gamers. It’s not *that* hard, given that I could struggle through it. I’m occasionally tempted to give it another shot, but the late maps were traumatizing. Imagine Cog of Destiny but all magic units, or Sands of Time with about 500 status staves. Blazing Blade is kind of uncomfortably easy otherwise though. I think Sacred Stones hard mode is harder than Blazing Blade’s other modes, or at least as difficult.
It’s interesting you bring up the dodging. I’m never sure how I feel about a strategy game having such a heavy RNG component, now that I’ve seen the other side. The big thing I think about is the critical rate. I wonder if Fire Emblem would benefit from Heroes’ special system. That would have its own difficulties of course, but I find criticals pretty easy to take advantage of late game, and rage-inducing when they happen to you (we all have a 1% critical story).
I think what it is with Clarine is that reinforcements appear at the start of enemy phase in FE6, so there are times where she’s surrounded by 6-8 wyverns or something out of nowhere, and she will be stuck there, and also not in any danger. And then she’ll just slowly poke them to death (or run out Fire tomes). Nino just blows enemies up. I wonder if you’ll ever meet Rutger (via Heroes). He’s the token Myrmidon in 6 and he’s usually just ridiculous. His growths are so good that he will cap STR and approach 50 HP and 20 DEF as a Swordmaster. Fir is…much worse typically.
I kind of get the “how are we supposed to identify with this?” whining and kind of don’t. On the one hand it’s disingenuous. They’re really whining about not being able to fulfill whatever power fantasy they have. So that make sense, in a way… If the only difference between the character you create is gender, then I’ll pick a male character, unless I prefer the art or character creation options for the female options more. Beyond that, I think stereotypes have me favor female characters usually. Female characters are usually written to be quieter, more inquisitive, thoughtful, even academic, and they’re often more likely to be connected to magic. Those traits tend to resonate with me more than the kind of brash, loud masculinity that stereotypical male characters have. Of course, obviously characters come in all types.
I think we’re due for a strong leading female lord, even if they’ve done a good job representing different types of characters throughout the series. Of course, now I want to pivot into gushing about Micaiah again (or Sanaki and Elincia), but I should probably stop referring to things you don’t know, especially if I’m going to keep telling you how great they are. I’m setting you up to be disappointed. I will say that while Ike is the “Lord” of the Tellius games, there are a lot of characters, subplots, and character arcs, and many seem to get nearly as much time.
Maybe it’s because the Merchant looks so dopey and Oboro is so intense. For Virion, I mean, he’s the archest of archers after all. A wyvern just wouldn’t do.
If I remember correctly, the Mage Knight and Valkyrie have identical stat spreads, so it’s really a matter of what advantages each weapon type has. I think I chose Mage Knight because anima magic is cool, but canonically she’s probably a Valkyrie, and I’d probably pick that now in case I wanted to use Purge in the post-game. It has a much better hit rate than Bolting.
I’m surprised you didn’t do Hector Hard Mode. I generally assume most (pre-3DS) Fire Emblem fans are pretty hardcore strategy gamers. It’s not *that* hard, given that I could struggle through it. I’m occasionally tempted to give it another shot, but the late maps were traumatizing. Imagine Cog of Destiny but all magic units, or Sands of Time with about 500 status staves. Blazing Blade is kind of uncomfortably easy otherwise though. I think Sacred Stones hard mode is harder than Blazing Blade’s other modes, or at least as difficult.
It’s interesting you bring up the dodging. I’m never sure how I feel about a strategy game having such a heavy RNG component, now that I’ve seen the other side. The big thing I think about is the critical rate. I wonder if Fire Emblem would benefit from Heroes’ special system. That would have its own difficulties of course, but I find criticals pretty easy to take advantage of late game, and rage-inducing when they happen to you (we all have a 1% critical story).
I think what it is with Clarine is that reinforcements appear at the start of enemy phase in FE6, so there are times where she’s surrounded by 6-8 wyverns or something out of nowhere, and she will be stuck there, and also not in any danger. And then she’ll just slowly poke them to death (or run out Fire tomes). Nino just blows enemies up. I wonder if you’ll ever meet Rutger (via Heroes). He’s the token Myrmidon in 6 and he’s usually just ridiculous. His growths are so good that he will cap STR and approach 50 HP and 20 DEF as a Swordmaster. Fir is…much worse typically.
I kind of get the “how are we supposed to identify with this?” whining and kind of don’t. On the one hand it’s disingenuous. They’re really whining about not being able to fulfill whatever power fantasy they have. So that make sense, in a way… If the only difference between the character you create is gender, then I’ll pick a male character, unless I prefer the art or character creation options for the female options more. Beyond that, I think stereotypes have me favor female characters usually. Female characters are usually written to be quieter, more inquisitive, thoughtful, even academic, and they’re often more likely to be connected to magic. Those traits tend to resonate with me more than the kind of brash, loud masculinity that stereotypical male characters have. Of course, obviously characters come in all types.
I think we’re due for a strong leading female lord, even if they’ve done a good job representing different types of characters throughout the series. Of course, now I want to pivot into gushing about Micaiah again (or Sanaki and Elincia), but I should probably stop referring to things you don’t know, especially if I’m going to keep telling you how great they are. I’m setting you up to be disappointed. I will say that while Ike is the “Lord” of the Tellius games, there are a lot of characters, subplots, and character arcs, and many seem to get nearly as much time.
I’d PM you if I could but Discus doesn’t have that feature. I’d been meaning to say this for a long time, but it always slips my mind, but here it goes. I owe you- no, to every Camilla/Tharja fan out there, an apology for how I behaved during CYL2 voting. I was acting like a shithead biggot and a prick for trying to discredit and bash Camilla/Tharja. I don’t expect to be forgiven, but you and every other fan of them deserve at least get an apology from me
All is forgiven, I don’t like holding grudges anyways. I myself am guilty of doing a similar thing to Celica and her fans and if you are one of those people, I also apologize.
it’s okay. i don’t mind
I love the Laevatein is still getting some love! makes me hopeful for an eventual legendary version of her! Plus can’t wait for the livestream hopefully finally something for the secret S14 set that’ll decide to be hype for it for obvious reasons.
Thanks for the summary 🙂 Seems to be a lot going on.
I wonder what the Voting Gauntlet will be, though it may well turn out to be the brides from last year vs. whatever new special heroes are coming.
Lovely art, especially of Eliwood and Lyn at the top. And Laevatein unexpectedly adorable.
I hope to god Leif isn’t on the BHB banner. I don’t want to get pitied by Seliph
I’m praying so hard for Kent in the booster pack, but I think he’s already received two Cipher cards, so it’s probably unlikely xD
Who will be the reward unit from the Legendary hero battle I wonder, or will that be more like a bound hero battle?
Floors 31-35 gives out about 1.31 HM and is relatively quick to boot, so I ended up farming a ton of HM for my Heroes whose HM were nearing multiples of 500. I ended up with around 4000 new feathers in the span of just over a dozen minutes, which isn’t too shabby.
If the HM gains continue to increase as the floors progress, I suspect they’ll be excellent ways to farm the HM of squishy units who can’t survive TT on autobattle.
The potential for HM grinding is probably why Tap Battles are seeming going to last a whole month from now.
Yeah, this exactly. It’s nice, because on days where I have trouble auto-battling GHBs, I can just do Tap Battle when I have time to HM grind. You also don’t have to level the units for the extra Merit I believe, so now we can effectively HM farm every day without Skill Inheritence needed on the difficult GHBs.
Any ideas for a -SPD +DEF Ishtar?
I feel all warm and fuzzy
This seems very promising.
Is there any information on what disposable really means? Will they retreat and be available again on the next chapter or will they merely retreat and afterwards only be there for the story but not usable in battle? Maybe I didn’t read it closely enough, but I’m not certain what it’s supposed to mean 🙂
Nevermind, found it on the blog post. They just die like normal but they’re not involved in the main story at all and their conversations are one-note, apparently.
And you can get powerful items left behind after they die, as well as all the items they held going back into the stock.
I’m really tired so I hope I got that right.
So basically the disposable characters are Shadow Dragon characters.
I really wish that this could somehow be an eShop game. Would love to have this on my 3DS.
Yeah, I wonder what Nintendo and IS think about this. We need daddy Kaga back! His work in a FE4 remake would result in a godly game, just like Holy War was back then.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if this engine has controller support for PC?
Not too difficult. Man do I love pain+. Fjorm was the MVP of this map
I guess it’s Lucina’s turn. I haven’t used her since T&N Bound Battle, and just look at that Res. He’s on par with my +res Micaiah!
By the way, aren’t those generics based on the Deadlords?
Well… I used Arvis and Ishtar on this map. Uhm, sorry, Julius?
The Infernal difficulty was pretty easy. I used:
Marth (+Atk/-Res, +7, Support): Refined Falchion, Reposition, Aether, Steady Breath, Swordbreaker 3, Drive Spd 2, Drive Atk 2 SS;
Fjorm (neutral): Leiptr, Reposition, Glacies, Atk/Def Bond 3, Vantage 3, Drive Atk 3, Quick Riposte SS;
PA! Azura (+HP/-Spd): Urðr, Sing, New Moon, Triangle Adept 3, Wings of Mercy, Drive Res 2, Spur Spd 1 SS;
Bride Lyn (+Res/-HP): (Wrathful Candlelight+, Physic+, HP+5, Dazzling Staff 3, Drive Res 2, Drive Def 2 SS
Julius had no chance against Fjorm. The problem for Julius was the cleric attacked first, reducing Fjorm’s Glacies cooldown, and the special was triggered against Julius, killing the Grannvale Empire’s prince. The others units was defeated thanks to a combined effort of all the others units.
I thought this would be hard, but nope. I had more problems with Kana’s GHB than Julius’ GHB. I only won Infernal Kana because I got L’ Lyn and L’ Robin in the Legendary Banner, and both was essencial for my victory.
+Atk Gordin ftw…I just Brave Bow cheesed my way through. If you don’t have someone like this, I highly recommend you get one, they are invaluable for these kinds of challenges when teamed with WoM dancers with spur, hone, and drive atk. Did after the 2nd try.
Oh boy, finally one I can’t just throw Armor Grima at as my free win condition. Wonder how my Alt account will fare…as for the Main, Roy should be able to tank a hit and then just kill the fool.
Haven’t tried it on Infernal yet but Lunatic wasn’t too bad. Used my main team with Tharja, Brave Lyn, Fjorm, and Inigo. I have a feeling they won’t be able to take on Infernal though. Perhaps my armor emblem team can handle it.
Infernal turned out to be much easier than I expected simply with Reinhardt, PA Olivia, PA Azura, and Sakura. All I ready had to do was pass Savage Blow 3 onto Reinhardt and give him Quickened Pulse so he could unleash Blazing Thunder more often, though I had to be wary of Julius and the daggers since they were actually capable of killing Reinhardt if I made a wrong move.
I’m really tempted to give him my Summoner Support since he’s the first unit to actually serve me consistently well for over a year.
I will remain with you, no matter the circumstances. -“Reinhardt” Fire Emblem Heroes
Okay… So, is this a fanmade game or something? Is it for PC?
If by “fanmade”, you mean made by the creator of Fire Emblem, then sure.
and yeah, it’s a PC game.
It’s nice that they added Julius, but I wish his voice was more…um…demonic? You know, since he wields his Loptous tome?
Meh, they appear at 3* and I still have my pity-breakers Corrin and Camilla, so…
About the tap battle, I’m loving this, unlike the last one with the worst FEH original track and without actual rhythm to follow. I managed to reach rank S in all difficulties yesterday.
I couldn’t even summon one of these duds on my free summon, just my one billionth Cherche…
Definitely one of the most boring banners ever.
The best SI fodder is literally Brave Axe +. Which nowadays isn’t even a very coveted weapon.
Those black things look somewhat like ripped strips of cloth, and in that case the left and right figures respectively looks like they’re recoiling and clutching their shoulder.
I managed to guess precisely 0/4 correct from the last Bride banner, so I’m gonna withhold from this one since I haven’t got a clue on who those two figures are, though Eirika and Lucina are strong guesses since they both have connections to the class.
Having a new Lucina so soon after the Legendary Lyn fiasco is certainly going to cause an outrage though, so here’s hoping IS can avoid that landmine
Both definitely look to be the silhouette of their damaged state, seemingly intentional to hide their identity more then previously. The right is the only one with any kind of distinct feature and that is that you can make out the ends of her hair being straight. The only one to really come to mind that matches that hair style is Rhajat. The left could possibly be Azura with what looks to be that tassel in her hair, but considering the Lyn controversy, I really don’t want them to make the same mistake with Azura. Then again, it might be Ninian, which if that’s the case…dope.
My guesses are Ninian on the left and Tharja/Rhajat on the right. The one on the left looks like she has Ninian’s hair tassle things, but it could be ripped shreds of veil since this seems to be damaged art. I can’t think of who else has long hair like that though. Well, I have ideas but they wouldn’t make much sense (Edain, maybe Cecilia)
Right- Ike (PoR)
Left- Ike (RD)
Speaking of, I hope we get some MENS in this banner.
Nah, Hector and Arden.
Oh I see it now
What we want: Ninian, Tharja, Celica, Deirdre, maybe Lilina or Eirika
What we’re probably going to get: Axe Lyn, Spear Lyn, Dagger Lyn, and Manakete Lyn
Gunnthra and Soren, easy
Highly likely Ninian on the left
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdX4pRyV0AA5fIE.jpg
if so, then a tank dancer, mark my words 😀
I agree, but can’t help but be confused by the mad spiral thing on the left and the giant rabbit ear like shape on the left, I was trying to work out who has their hair in. Either spiral ringlets or bulky side bangs, but I’ve got nothing, Haha. Ah well. I’m guessing Sakura, For the right one or Katarina, and Elise, Emmeryn or obviously Ninian. But who knows…
My first thought was Elise and Sakura because I can see some hair resemblance and they are both very skinny (their waist). But I’ll be more than happy to be WRONG. I don’t want those two as brides, no. That Ninian tip is valid.
But I don’t care much about brides, I want GROOMS, intsys. Give Marth a fricking alt for Naga’s sake. And Ryoma. In wedding Kimono…
WE NEED MARRIAGE MARTH
Last time was Mystery, Awakening, Fates & Blazing on the run.
Maybe this time too…
For people saying it probably won’t be someone popular because of the Lyn controversy: they prepare these so far in advance that people’s reaction to Lyn is irrelevant. And it’s not even as if they could choose not to release them, since they probably don’t have anybody in reserve. So it could be anybody. It could be another Bridal Lyn and they would still go forward with it, because of all the time and effort.
My hopes are for a staff unit in this banner.
Right- Lyn
Left- Lyn
I think Eirika would appear on this banner, and they would put incestous jokes as well.
I wish they make a groom banner this year, but unfortunely husbando don’t sell games, waifu sells.
I lowkey want a “tragic bride” summon, with people like Rinea, Elena, Deirdre, Nyna, Priscilla, Ena, Melady (or however you spell her name), maybe Eirika (if you believe she was in love with Lyon).
… But more than that, I want grooms. Marriage Marth pls
bridal Priscilla. oh no, my nonexistent orbs.
According to what I’ve seen on social media, it’s Ninian, Tharja, and Sanaki (?!?!). One of them is pretty likely going to be a Tempest Trials unit, looking at how these usually go.
I’m stoked about the first two, I love Ninian a lot and now I’ll have 3 Tharjas to be the girlfriends of my 3 f!Robins, but… Sanaki? Really? She’s 10/13 years old, depending on the game she’s in, and making her a part of a /bridal/ banner is.. kind of extremely skeevy. Ugh.
It *is* Ninian, Tharja, and Sanaki. Tempest reward will be Marth.
Making Sanaki a bride was completely eww on Intsys’ side.
Isn’t Sanaki only 13 by Radiant Dawn? Girl you are too young for this
And this version looks like her PoR self, so she’s actually 10. Oh gods…
psst you know even within the context of the game she isn’t getting married, she’s just dressing up in a wedding dress for a festival right?
Unless FE16 is future Tellius a Sanaki returns and is marriagable lol(would S Rank in a heartbeat!)
I wouldn’t want current IS to touch anything relating to Tellius, be it remake or sequel. The S Supports need to be scrapped for FE16 as well.
She’s also too young to lead an empire and experience combat
Is there a mistake in Tharja’s skills? Her A skill should be Atk/Spd Bond?
Ninian looks pretty good, being able to support Flier Emblem even better than Airzura because she herself can use a bladetome. Her regular weapon also lets her run budget Hone Fliers if she uses Hone Atk in the seal slot, which is a neat alternative. Probably gonna pull for her, but will save some orbs to see who the Legendary Hero is first. I want more TT units, but we do have a month to get these ladies.
Also, yeah Sanaki being here is kinda awkward. She’s only 13 in RD, I think that’s younger than Elize/Sakura in Fates. Finally, Tharja joins Chrom and Lyn in the multiple seasonals club. Just, please don’t make her a legendary hero IS, 3 versions is absolutely fine. She’s popular, but certainly not “legendary” enough.
Elise and Sakura’s ages aren’t stated, but I headcanon 14/15 respectively. My headcanon is a lot higher than other’s though.
don’t forget about Camilla and, Azura, they are part of that club too
Yep, you’re right. I prefer to forget Camilla though lol. Those two also probably shouldn’t be legendary, though I suppose Azura would fit better than others.
nah 4 of everyone at least, I want the Novelty of running entire teams of one person. Before you say “But Lyn has 5” thats because the first Lyn is pretty much garbage and needed a replacement 😀
That Tharja is pretty dangerous. +3 Speed, ATK/SPD Bond 3, and clearly the ability to make flaming weapons out of too many different things; first a Candlestick and now a bouquet. I can’t say I can complain, now all three of my f!Robins can have girlfriends!
Sanaki is only 10 (PoR)/13 (RD), though, so.. uhh, it’s really suspect that she’s in here?
There’s so many better options if you wanted to rep PoR/RD, seriously. Lucia, Elincia, and Leanne all come to mind, but no, let’s pick the tiny child empress who’s really better off being a flowergirl than a bride.
She could just be playing dress-up. We should consider all the possibilities before we start having a negative reaction
don’t be daft this is the internet and a fire emblem community, better to be as obnoxious and dickish as possible or else how will it finally get the rep of worse fandom going!
Clearly you haven’t seen RPGmonger videos. Would suggest watching his content as he analyses the worst parts of every fandom. There’s a lot of shit he’s brought to people’s attention
he also hasn’t done a video on Fire Emblems racid community to my knowledge. Also he tends to overstate some problematic flaws to communities or just flat of accept anecdotes without actually checking. A good one is I think in one he states someone was given Cookies filled with Razor blades but then does actually check into it.
Well, none of the last year brides are dressed to get marry. This is just a festival.
Sanaki: “I’m just wearing this for the festival so don’t get any weird ideas”
Everyone watching this: *gets weird ideas*
Seriously, if you have a problem with a child wearing dressing up but not with a child being an empress, you’re a hypocrite.
Tharja isn’t all that special since my regular Tharja already has several merges on her, but that’s honestly not a bad kit on her. Sanaki has some really good player phase potential, so I’ll definitely be attempting to roll her so she can pair up with my Summer Corrin. Ninian’s pretty meh and I don’t see myself using her over NY Azura all that much. Marth is certainly a sight for sore eyes, though it’s a shame we couldn’t get the meme going on for a bit longer.
Also, Sanaki’s presence isn’t all that disturbing, since the quotes from last year’s brides like Charlotte state that the girls are merely wistful for love and not in the process of actually getting married yet. Marriages arranged far in advance which typically aren’t consummated until both figures are of proper age were pretty common in real life among royals, so you can just assume Sanaki is setting up building blocks for a marriage in the distant future.
See, I’d want to agree with that statement… but Sanaki not only stands out like a sore thumb from the others because of her age, but also because she doesn’t have any interest in romance whatsoever in her original games or characterization. She gets up to a lot of mischief, including invading a boat and setting her country’s own senators on fire, but never romance.
The other two here already have pretty obvious interests in it, and along with the original 4 bride characters, all have a crush on someone and/or can end up romantically involved with someone in their potential endings. They’re all also adults or are at least a good bit older than Sanaki.
It just seems incredibly odd to have Sanaki as a bride character when, if they wanted Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn representation, there are a lot of other options that make far more sense. Sanaki being a bride character is incredibly out of character for her (especially compared to Ninian and Tharja) and seems really suspect given her age.
Yeah, even Elincia would have fit better. Or just put characters that actually are related to marriage, like Pent & Louise, Clive & Mathilda or (no joke, really) Bartre, because he has Karla.
I think this is an excellent synopsis of why Sanaki’s inclusion raises eyebrows. But, to quote the oh so condescending comment below, it wouldn’t be the Fire Emblem community if they could discuss and process nuance. But I guess a lot of people don’t value characterization or care that including one character naturally excludes another one. There are indeed plenty of PoD/RD characters they might’ve chosen instead, though I personally would’ve loved to see Pent and Louise represented.
To me it seems like she’s playing dress-up. Though her embarrassment might mean something differebt
seems like Lyn from last time she’s been tricked into it.
Hey, that’s great! I will still save my orbs!
Could they really not have made Sanaki look more like a flower girl?
… Does whatever a flower girl wear really look that different from what a bride wears? I mean, she IS holding flowers.
Flower girls hold baskets full of petals
No Anna or a staff user? Meh.
After watching the trailer, now I know I can keep my orbs for the Legendary Banner.
Also, I know who I am gonna support in the next Voting Gauntlet: Altean Groom Marth!
You know I don’t comment much on here but I just wanted to put in my two cents. Those saying Sanaki is too young need to remember that FEH is made in Japan where getting married at 13 is nothing out of the ordinary plus since Fire Emblem as a whole is based in fantasy medieval times 10 is no surprise either since back in those days kids were married then too. And I’d honestly say I’ll be going for Airnian and Airnaki though I may try for Tharja just to fodder her off for her good skills.
This doesn’t really follow though. First, I don’t understand why you’d mention getting married at 13 in Japan, because that certainly does not occur. Second, Fire Emblem is mostly high fantasy, and to that end, has generally avoid challenging modern norms with a more “medieval” interpretation. That are no intentional instances of child marriage in the series that I can think of, and it’s not even completely correct to say that people were married at 10 in our own middle ages. It might not raise eyebrows the way it would now, but it was certainly not commonplace (I concede arrangements may be in place by that age).
Well I’ve only read that girls at the very least were married in Japan at 13. I’m no history buff so I might have read it wrong. As for Fire Emblem itself, thats what I meant by it being a medieval fantasy in that its more like our middle ages in real life than modern times, though I too will admit that for kids 10 and under were more likely to have marriages arranged for them than actually being married right away. Take this with a grain of salt but I think there are still some noble families that make arrange marriages between their kids when they’re still a little on the young side in today’s time though truthfully I doubt it but who knows.
ITT: People defend actual Sanaki being dressed up as a bride by saying that historically, people could get married at 13.
Just because it may have happened in history, and that “it’s fantasy”, doesn’t make it acceptable today in any sense.
I’m not defending her being all dressed up in a wedding dress, just putting my two cents in. Besides its like someone else mentioned in that Sanaki likely got suckered into wearing one like Lyn did in last year’s bride banner, truthfully I think Tethis and Sigrun decided to be rather mischievous for some reason and play “let’s dress up Sanaki”, OOC I’ll admit but it wouldn’t surprise me if they see Sanaki as a kid sister of sorts as well as their boss.
And you’re right, just cause being possibly married at 13 was acceptable in the medieval days doesn’t make it acceptable today but I never said it was right or acceptable.
… It’s fiction.
Please calm down.
Child soldiers aren’t acceptable either, yet there are plenty of examples in Fire Emblem, Sanaki included. It’s also not acceptable for someone to become an empress at age 5 either, but that happened to her, too. So many people coming out of nowhere because they all of a sudden decided they aren’t okay with her doing adult things.
Not to mention that historically, even when people were married this young, it was really just symbolic and went unconsummated for years. They may not have even lived together with their spouse, let alone shared a bedroom. And it’s not like she’s too young for romance, either.
Plus, there’s nothing to defend. It’s just a damned dress. She’s not getting married. Being dressed up as a bride=/=being a bride. KIDS DRESS UP. IT’S FINE. And considering the clothes she normally wears, it’s not hard to imagine her being interested in trying on a fairy tale wedding dress.
Who’s getting hurt in this situation? No one. Therefore, it’s perfectly fine. It’s a fictional character, and I’d honest to god prefer pedophiles get a healthy outlet in fiction than have them turn to real children because an oversensitive crowd insists on having all fiction been 100% free of anything that makes them uncomfortable.
And as I’ve said before, it is really ironic that Sanaki said “don’t get any weird ideas” and that’s exactly what so many people did. It really says more about them then it does about the game developers.
Now people can shut up about Marth….
Agreed so much…
Nah, we needed a banner of all Marth alts to remedy this injustice lol…
I see a blank spot under you don’t know who it is
Sanaki and Tharja are my girls definitely going to try for them Ninian too!
Those 2 are my favs too man of culture I see!
I want all 3…I didn’t get NY!Azura so BB!Ninian is definitely appealing for my Flyer team, Sanaki looks to have the least potential and it’ll depend entirely on her stat min-maxing, she’s definitely the one I’m least interested in. I can’t help but want Tharja perhaps the most so she can join the ranks of my other 2. At least we all get a free Marth alt out of this and he’ll surprisingly be my first good Axe Cav for me, I’m kind of surprised it took this long for me.
At this point, the only useful rewards are the 6 orbs, I’m well into the 10Ks for Badges and Arena Medals and over 300 for Stamina Potion, but newer players will like these things so I won’t complain.
Sanaki is a Q-TIP!!! Unfortunate that Sephiran couldn’t see her walk down the aisle when she came of age :[. (At least in some realities.)
I’m honestly so happy that we got Tharja as a bride! She looks gorgeous! I am disappointed though that we didn’t get bridal Anna. But hey, we got groom Marth! That’s something to be happy about!
So am I the only one bothered by the fact they decided to go from 4 Focus Units to 3 this year? It’s starting to really bug me that they keep doing only three at a time, especially since the Easter Banner was 4 Focus Units for a second year and the Valentine’s Banner was 4 Focus Units plus a TT Reward, so it’s not like they couldn’t repeat the idea of either Banner. Also does anyone know if we’re getting a rerun of the old Bridal Banner in similar fashion to the Easter Banner? I’ll take Bridelia over any of these three.
Well now that free Tempest units are a thing, they want to keep that going, and having 5 units for a banner might be too much to ask for. I’m almost certain they’re do a rerun of last year’s banner, I’d be shocked if they didn’t in some compacity
The difficulty here is that we just got 5 new Units for the Valentine’s Event, 4 Banner Units and Valentine’s Eliwood. Honestly, there’s no reason for the Tempest Trials freebie to match up with the Banner if you can just put that Unit on the Banner itself. They couldn’t do that with Eliwood because bar the Legendary and 4S Focus Banners they refuse to put more than 4 Focus Units on a Banner, and the Valentine’s Banner already had 4 Focus Units so that would’ve gone against their current formula for Focus Units, but here they could easily have either made another Bride Alt(I mean, we already have official art of Bride Eirika thanks to Awakening DLC) or added Groom Marth to the Banner and made the freebie, say, Merth, who most newer players can’t get and no older player will use seriously due to lack of available merges.
they did it for the VG
Is this Sanaki from Path of Radiance?
Anyway now we have Marth, there is only 1 question open: will people even use him?
I would love some Sacred Coins as reward…
I only wish I had a Bride!Caeda to go with Groom!Marth. Otherwise, the one I want most is Ninian because she’ll look perfect with my Devoted Love!Eliwood.
It’s a shame Sanaki’s alt is such a controversy right now, I’m just happy Sanaki is getting an alt at all because she deserves it, she’s a brilliant character in PoR AND RD, and yeah I think she looks surprisingly adorable in her little wedding dress, not that I want to seriously marry her, but it’s a cute change considering how stern she is.
Anna feeling self conscience over marriage? Bridal Anna for next year confirmed? IntSys has that next level trolling.
I need to say: a enemy team with a dancer and a foe with a Feint skill is annoying!
I liked Groom Marth stats, and his axe is pretty good too. It works pretty well with Fortify Cavalry, and with Hone Spd Sacred Seal makes him buff all allies stats at once. His skiils are good too, but I will change all.
Speaking of Sacred Seals… Atk/Def and Spd Smoke Sacred Seals as TT+ reward? YES! This is great! And having Marth: Altean Prince as a TT+ bonus unit makes me happy, because he is my summoner support unit!
58 orbs into the new banner and I still haven’t got Tharja. She’s the only one I want.
ARES WAS DEMOTED?! WITH BLAZEN ATK/DEF 3 AT 4 STARS?! THAT’S INSANE!
15 orbs and I grabbed Ninian, then finished the session for a total of 30 orbs. +Hp -Atk, but that’s fine since she won’t be attacking anyway. Glad to easily grab a flying dancer!
Yay! I got a Ninian. She is +HP/-Def, which is good, not great but not bad either. I am still working for a good build for her.
For her weapon, I will keep her Flash Bouquet for now, with a spd refinement. Now she has 35 spd, and with the +4 spd from the weapon she has a higher chance to double or to not get doubled.
Her assist will be dance, of course, and her special will probably be Glimmer.
Her A-skill is Atk/Res 2, and yes… I killed a Tailtiu for it, but I also gave Ninian a Bladetome, in case I want to use her in a flying team. With Atk/Res 2, she has 42 Atk and 29 Res, which is decent.
Her B-skill will be her defaut skill, Chill Atk 3, and for C-Skill I still thinking. If I decide to use her in a flying team, Fortify Fliers is the choice. But I am plan to use her in the TT, so I could use a Hone/Fortify skill, and it will works pretty well with her bouquet, or Breath of Life, so she can heal her allies after combat. If I get a L’Arachel, I will give her Res Tactic, so she can be part of my Tactic Team.
Finally, her sacred seal is, for now, Distant Def 3 (the SS I am using to train her), but maybe I will change it for a Hone/Fortify SS. Guidance also can be useful.
Wow Ares got demoted… got a 5-star Ares and a 4-star from this BRIDAL banner. I now have a 5 star Ares [+4]. Kinda happy but… everyone’s gonna have him now. That’s powercreep, for you.
Flier Formation will be helpful for flier emblem teams, but it won’t be meta defining…I think it’ll actually be a while before they decide to hand out another meta defining SS like Quick Riposte.
Its kinda sad though… ive been waiting for vantage for months
but all 3 of these seals are good, so the only thing I’m sad about is not having hardly any coins
How convenient. Marth is part of my TT core. And Flier Formation sacred seal will make flier teams even more ridiculously mobile.
Great, I don’t have any of them at 5*! Maybe I’l try to unsuccessfully get a normal Ninian for 10th time… And Flier Formation? What’s the point in doing the impossible to nerf horses if they’ll buff fliers like there’s no tomorrow?
I think that’s mostly because all bows wreck fliers aside from Raven builds. Unless they are willing part with an A slot, there is only one Iote seal, so theoretically they should be easier to deal with.
I do wonder if weapons like FE4’s Wing Clipper will ever come out, though.
Well, aside Brave Lyn bows are something rare to see, but is understandable.
Wing Clipper would be cool, I wonder who should wield it. Larcei? Ulster? Beowulf?
For some reason I want to say Beowulf, since the weapon was easily obtained in Gen 1, but he may get the Beo sword instead, so who knows.
I’m convinced this game hates us. I have a 5*+3 Ninian and I haven’t even tried pulling for her once.
I got a Ninian from the Bridal Bloom Banner. I gave her Res Tactic and now she is part of my Tactic Team, alongside Legendary Ike, Siegbert and Legendary Lyn. I will probably use this team, because they work so well together.
My other possible team is Marth, Fjorm, Bride Lyn and PA!Azura. Marth is my main, so will be good to have him.
But I want to use Groom Marth in my team. Marth, Bride Lyn, Bride Niniam and Groom Marth will be the 3rd team.
I wanted a red orb as my free summon, but only blue and green orbs appeared, with a 3* F!Corrin.
I still need more 3 Marths for my merges, and after I complete my +10 Marth, I will probably work in… maybe Lilina, she surprised me after receive the new weapon. I will probably keep the Death Blow 3 on her, but Darting Blow is also a option, so I can make Swift Sparrow 3. If I give her Swift Sparrow 2, she will be a Atk version of Ishtar.
Gunnhtrá is another +10 project. She is +3 now.
That doesn’t look like Bridelia repeat, IS.
I would say she’s coming in a VG banner but time will tell.
ugh I wanted another 5* Tharja for my merge project. She’s currently +5, but all I got was a 3* Seth. He’s been plaguing me on the bridal banner and now on this banner. IS just really doesn’t want me to have Tharja.
Excellent, something else to blindly throw Grima at. Should be fun!
I still think that the bug with Tharja is pretty funny to watch happen. I’ve only been able to watch it happen through videos though because I haven’t summoned her yet. Still hoping to get her!
I was worry about Loki… but this Tempest Trial is pretty easy. My Team:
Legendary Ike (+Def/-HP): Ragnell / Reposition / Radiant Aether / Warding Breath / Quick Riposte 3 / Def Tactic 3 / Distant Def 3 SS;
Siegbert (+Spd/-HP): Dark Greatsword / Reposition / Draconic Aura / Death Blow 3 / Swordbreaker 3 / Atk Tactic 3 / Def Tactic 3 SS;
Legendary Lyn (+Res/-Def): Swift Mulagir / Reposition / Luna / Laws of Sacae / Desperation 3 / Spd Tactic 3 / Atk Smoke 3 SS;
Bride Ninian (+HP/-Def): Fresh Bouquet (Spd) / Dance / Glimmer / Attack/Res 2 / Chill Atk 3 / Res Tactic 3 / Breath of Life 2 SS.
Something seems a bit off with Yuzu and Randal’s cards. The backgrounds look like they come from a slightly modern world… or is it just me?
I’ll tune in to see if anything exciting happens regarding S14(probably not)
I would like to buy the actual replica of Marth’s sword is there anyway i can get in contact with anyone for this?
https://twitter.com/FEcipher/status/1000209925925031936
Appears to be the announcement for today’s stream, and my Naga, this card!~~
Will this be a promo in this set? It looks amazing!
I got a free summon Nowi then Wrys then Wrys again. I wasn’t expecting much but that colorless hell I always get healers.
I was lucky and my free summon was Bride!Lyn, which I wanted. YAY!
My free summon was Bride!Cordelia!
I’m forced to use that Marth, but at least he’s pretty decent and fast.
By the way, I suspected that Loki wouldn’t be of Muspell, since everyone there has a dark tone in their skin, and that she should have other intentions. Also, our protagonists found a way to defeat Surtr too soon for him being the actual main antagonist. There must be a dark dragon involved somewhere, I think they mentioned something about that.
Now that’s a better banner. This banner has good skills, good units, a character that is represented only in this banner (Charlotte) and Marth’s waifu!
Im trying to pull for Charlotte or Caeda, but if i end up with Bride Lyn or Bridelia i wont be desapointed, so far the only units i get from this banner was Eirika SM and Nanna however…
I would love to try for a Bride Lyn, because Candlelight is amazing, but I need to keep my orbs for the Legendary Banner.
Mybe if I get the legendary hero early I can summon in this bride banner.
I want to know what IS will do for the summer. we had 2 summer banners. We will have 2 summer banners again? And what about the 2017’s summer banners return? We will have the 2 banners or only 1 with 2 units of each banner, probably the 4 best unit from the summer voting gauntlet?
Maybe they’ll do 2 gauntlets that are split by release or, my personal pick, by gender since the 2 last year had an even ratio between the genders.
Goddammit, that Loki is a bitch! No, really, her stats are ridiculously overpowered! I hate her more than ever before now!
I really want a Bridelia, but I’m going to hold off and save up my orbs for the Legendary Banner.
Getting Zelgius on my free summon might’ve perked me up too much, because I ended up dipping into some of the Orbs I was saving for the next banner to continue my lucky streak. After Zelgius came Sanaki, so I now own every currently available RD character since Bride Sanaki is apparently her PoR incarnation.
Hopefully summer eases up on all these good banners so I can stop being tempted by them, since the other gacha games I play have big plans for summer.
Me: Hey, this is a good banner. I hope I can get one of the focus units in my free summon.
*Three green and two colorless orbs appeared.*
Me: Meh…
Got Shiro from my free summon. Yay!
Oh, now that I gave up on this Banner and used my Orbs to try for Tharja you’ll give me another chance at Cordelia. I suppose I should have seen that coming. Oh well, time to journey back to Colorless Hell…
This is actually a solid banner; Ryoma himself might seem a bit underwhelming, though we’ll have to wait and see what his stat spread is like to definitely say whether he’s good or not. Bushido seems like a let down as far as a special skill slot goes with it being in my opinion, a worse version of Wrath (the only thing it has going for it is that it doesn’t have the HP threshold requirement). The biggest thing to this banner is all the seasonal units: both Chrom and Robin are great and Flying Azura is arguably the best dancer/singer.
Plus, a lot of people have been talking about how Tiki’s breath is different from normal and pointing to the future New Powers banner, we’re probably getting a new prf Breath for Tiki, and hopefully for Adult Tiki too. Here’s to hoping my boi Odin gets a new weapon that breaks the meta.
New breath for both Tikis has been announced for the June update along with refines to Excalibur and Aura.
Red and blue for me then.
Same, or nobody. I don’t have a lot of orbs. But I don’t have any of the red units, and all of them could be useful. Ryoma could be underwhelming though, since I like my two red fliers and his skills don’t look promising. I don’t have either Hardin or Robin, but I’m not looking to pick up another Fjorm really. But I suspect that might not be as much of a concern for you.
Same here. I don’t have any of the reds either, Sigurd is one of those that continually elude me. Although I also really don’t think I have a slot for a red sword horse open. I guess I actually have three usable red fliers, but as you know, I can use another one to even out all the blue and green ones. Skillsets can be changed.
I don’t have Hardin and I wouldn’t mind merging Robin or Fjorm since I like and use them a lot 🙂
If I try green I know it’ll be Gunnthra XD she really likes me. My only ever free summon 5* and got some more on the next occasion when I wasn’t even trying. Then again with how great wind team’s been for me, more merges wouldn’t be terrible? But again we’re at the point where I don’t have a lot of orbs either.
Pretty meh from my point of view, but then I remembered I don’t have any red flier (a -spd Shiida is useless). I would go for Innes, but I’m not risking because of Grima and Takumi.
So blue it is, my Hardin is +res and boy if he tanks mages. He deserves merges.
I am not impressed by Kinshyoma’s skills. Stance skills are used in enemy’s phase, so I need to see in practice the Kestrel Stance. Depending his stats, Sturdy Stance 2 will be a better choice. From the Legendary passive skills, Bushido is the weakest one. Kinshyoma will probably be a fast unit, so Desperation is a better choice than Wo Dao B-slot. Guidance? The only flying unit I use in a mixed team in Ninian, but she has Res Tactic. I never used Guidance, so I will switch it for a buffing skill. For me, Kinshyoma’s stats will decide if I will use him or not.
I use NY Camilla in my flying team, and she is great! Kinshyoma needs to be a really good unit to make me use him.
My Main-Team will get Purple Hearts, my flat Loli-Team will get Light Blue Hearts, and my busty Mage-Team get Green Hearts.
To bad there’s no Black Hearts for my Tsundere Team
Ah, I see you’re a fan of culture as well.
Linde!!! I’ll definitely use this chance to see if I can pull a better IV Linde! I hope her new tome will be good!
Water Blessing? Because he is a Flying Lobster.
He’s gonna have to be pretty amazing to vie for Our Lady Elincia to bow out… A tricky one here, we’ll see.
I mean, another sword flying unit is always good, it’s not like I have much other choice in that pool. Might be good enough to use on another backup team if he’s not good enough to join my Flip-Flappers.
wow, my sister and I were literally just joking about how Merric would never get a special weapon refinement. didn’t think this would ever happen, or that it definitely wouldn’t happen this soon! She’ll be excited about it then since she made him a 5*.
I like Ryoma and I think he looks pretty cool here but at the same time I’m not too excited by it. I’m more excited to see the other units in this Legendary Banner! My only dilemma now is that I don’t know if I should put orbs into this banner or keep trying to get bridal Tharja.
Ah, excellent, I was worried I’d need to actually use my Orbs on this Banner, but nope, only Unit I might be interested in is Grima, and it’s not worth risking an Innes to go more than the Free Pull. Thank goodness, this means I can continue my Bridelia quest uninterrupted.
What a coincidental piece of news right after I get spooked by my second Young Tiki. She’s definitely the weaker link in my dragon team so it’s nice to have a buff.
I got Xmas Chrom (+Atk/-HP) and Xmas Robin (+Spd/-Atk), which are the units I really wanted from this banner. I also got a Sigurd (+Res/-HP), who will died someday, and a 4* Ares (+HP/-Def), who will be a 5 stars soon.
Nice, I pulled a NY!Azura (Neutral) and a 4* Ares (+Def/-HP). I’m just glad I got an Azura, and even more so that she’s not -Atk like 10 of the last 12 5* heroes I’ve pulled. Not sure what to do with Ares, the 36 Def is nice, but I don’t know if I want to wait and invest in a +Atk one instead.
Ares is a really good unit. I made my 5* already, and if I get a new one with better IVs, I will merge them. This is my Ares, with his Blazing Wind in action. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7df8e01c7ca010fa0d617999824bcf3a17560a6d7a978ff19a25e5cf06713f4b.png
Two full sessions with basically all 3*s… yeah I’ll stop there. I’m starting to get a superstition that my bad luck from these legendary banners is necessary to drive the good luck I tend to have on the new hero banners.
The trailer music was bait! I just wanted Alight on this map.
Got a -def +res Hardin, but I don’t know if fuse him with my other one or give Bold fighter to Grima with Quick riposte seal.
got 2 Hardin´s and Gunnthrá. not bad at all~
Three Gunnthras and no Christmas Chrom. Lovely.
You know which units stopped me from summoning more Legendary Heroes like Gunnthrá and Legendary Ryoma? Christmas Chrom and New Year’s Azura! And to add insult to injury, they both have weak attack power! This is BULLCRAP!!
Can we trade? Kthx
There is no option to trade. You ought to be lucky that you have Gunnthrá and I don’t!
Dude chill, both Chrom and NY!Azura are better than Gunnthra anyways. Be happy yo got them, especially in the case of Azura where the IVs don’t really matter that much.
You don’t understand, kid, getting the Legendary Heroes is my top priority, and so far, I only have 2 out of 16 Legendary Heroes, 2…LEGENDARY…HEROES: Fjorm and Legendary Ike!! That’s CLEARLY not enough for my collection! It’s not fair! How come you guys have every single Legendary Hero such as Gunnthrá WHEN I DON’T?!
Yeah, well you know what they say, you’re going to have a hard time pulling the heroes you want. Just keep at it, it’ll eventually happen.
I don’t need a pity from a glory hog such as you! Seriously, no fair you and your kind got all of these Legendary Heroes when I only have 2! Not to mention the fact that all of you got a lot of money to buy a lot of Orbs, while I’m broke as hell! No fair!
Here I am trying to be nice about the situation, and you’re being disrespectful to everyone. Don’t assume you’re the only one who’s got it bad, I’m also a poor university student forced to work part time to pay for housing, so I don’t have the luxury to spend money on this game.
Also glory hog? What does that even mean? Stop being a dick and stop with your incessant complaining.
Just leave him alone with his problems… this is not the first time he is complaining about the game, and I am sure this will not be the last time too.
I’d suggest not being affable with him since he regards practically anything as a slight against him. Your patience and sanity will be better off if you stop attempting to reason with him.
I don’t think you can really complain about having 2 of 16 when this is only the eighth to be released! 2/8 is 25% of them. For a F2P account, that’s not too bad! It’s also been proved in the past that these Legendary Banners are actually really bad to pull from if you’re looking to get a specific unit….like, worse than a normal banner (and of course definitely worse than Hero Fest banners!). If you don’t care which of the units you want in a given colour, it’s not bad, but the math has shown (by people who calculate these things) that the odds of getting the specific person within the colour you want is pretty low. IS is bating us with the way they promote the 8% rate, so you shouldn’t feel too bad! I’ve thrown close to 75 orbs at this banner so far and gotten nothing. The 4* Hinata/Oscar/Selena are the best things I’ve gotten after all that…saving that reposition fodder and Fury fodder for if I get that Ryoma, but not holding my breath at this point! >_<
Oh I totally didn’t mean to trigger anyone. Was definitely joking! Sorry guys
Haven’t gotten anyone from my first round of summoning, but it isn’t like I particularly desire any of the featured units. I suppose I’ll be prioritizing the Bride banners more since I’m getting really lucky on them.
Legendary Ryoma didn’t exactly leave a good impression considering he was the least difficult enemy in Infernal, which was easy enough in itself that my Chadhardt soloed it with a healer and two dancers. Certainly a far cry from Legendary Lyn’s maps which were properly challenging.
Gunnthrá Is still avoiding me, but at least I got Ryoma. He looks the part if nothing else.
Gunnthrá, I’ll join your army if you turn up in my summoning session – deal?
“She seems to be a very popular character, at least in Japan.”
…’at least in Japan’?
Also, more Lucina and Chrom? Really? Can’t we have a set focus on Emmeryn or only the other Child Units or something? I’m still waiting for more Kjelle cards and a good Noire card. Actually, now that I think about it, we have too much FE3DS already, screw two thirds of S14 and one third of S15, can we get another Manga set? It doesn’t even have to be Hasha no Tsurugi, it could be, like, one of the Genealogy Manga or something, I dunno, I’m just a little tired of all the Black, White, and Blue, since they just keep redoing Chrom, Lucina, and the Fates Royals – where’s Nichol, for example? I’d like a Nichol card, he was probably my favorite non-autojoin Unit in the whole game, and since he’s Sophie’s Paralogue Boss he could feasibly be included in a White Set showing him post-recruitment, seeing as how his data suggests he was supposed to be a bit less minor of a Paralogue Boss, what with the Crit Cut-in and all, we could use a showing of him(and the other Paralogue Bosses too while we’re at it, stop shoving the Royals and their retainers down our throats) in, say, an actual mid-story setting, and a couple generic recruitable cards would be neat too.
I know I’m probably in the minority with wanting all these obscure Units given a chance to shine, but everyone already uses all the Royals and their Retainers in Fates or Chrom and Lucina in Awakening, we’re used to them by now and most of them have two to four printings at this point. Just give us someone we haven’t seen before.
god DAMN marth is KILLIN IT with that miniskirt! work it son!
– Lyn: “I am Legs Emblem”.
Marth: “Guess again”.
– Lowen > Kent + Sain. That art is cute, with the horse eating the supplies.
– Frey… God is here…
– Now I hate Loki even more since they buffed her stats on TT. But the art is decent.
– That Robin looks like he just discovered he can spell magic.
…So Gunnthra’s screwed, and Alphonse and Anna are probably losing as well. Sharena versus Fjorm could go either way, as could Grima v Ike. Ryoma will probably lose to the winner of Grima v Ike, who will probably also beat the winner of Sharena v Fjorm.
Final Verdict: Pick Gunnthra.
ahhh these are so cute! I will definitely be checking her out on Etsy! I hope to get that Alfonse plush for my sister as a birthday present!
Don’t know if I’d say there were a lot of upsets per se.
1. Ike beating Female Grima wasn’t a surprise.
2. Gunnthra and Ryoma could have done either way. Ryoma is very recent and kind of deemed a bad unit in some circles so Gunnthra beating him didn’t surprise me too much.
3. Alfonse and Sharena could have gone either way.
4. Fjorm losing to Anna I would definitely consider an upset.
Grima was more popular than Ike this VG. Ryoma more popular than Gunnthra, Fjorm more than Anna. For a while Sharena and Alfonse were in same hell. Basically what was considered to be the more popular option of each match lost
Exactly…..I don’t mind Gunnthrá the the rest(besides the Askr sibling since I don’t care for that one) DEFINITELY…
The best hero can’t win, Ike already knocked her out… 🙁
I mean, I was sad Roy lost too, but that was a TON of Gauntlets ago, so it’s time to just let it go. Also Roy is male.
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If I could facepalm harder because of your stupidity, I would.
It’s wilful stupidity, I knew who you were talking about(also you fool Cordy is clearly best girl). You’re welcome to facepalm harder, though.
I’m still surprised that so many people like Fjorm this much. From my point of view she’s badly written with no personality, just a pretty face for Book 2 cover (no offense). Anna is not much better but Anna as a recurring personality has a history and for some people she has always been very appealing. At least one can say something about her so I’m happy it’s her who made it through. I think it’s fair that one of the original FEH trio would win one side of the VG.
I’m very upset about Ike. I’ve had too much of this guy. Bad enough he was forced on me as “the best unit in the game” ughh… I really hope someone will cut him off – be it Gunnthrá or Alfonse/Anna. He’s overrated. Besides it would be really nice if a FEH character won the whole thing n_n.
I was on Grima’s team and she had the edge for most of the round; but at the very end Ike’s team managed to get a multiplier which allowed him to go on top. That’s complete bs, if you ask me.
That sucks. Especially when this happens to someone as overrated as Ike who was finally going to learn defeat. Uhh.
I was team Alfonse but the final rounds happen always during the night for me so I cannot really help. Sharena and Al were Same for like ten last hours and Alfonse was slowly losing. So I stopped contributing in hopes he would drop and get multiplier at the right time. But from what I’ve heard, the two were Same till the very end and Alfonse supporters made a comeback without a multiplier and that makes me very happy. Al’s popularity rose greatly with INTSYS focusing on his character more. It’s so nice to see him get in top 20 in CYL and then win just by numbers when he lost so terribly back during the very first Gauntlet. I hope this gives INTSYS a proof that focusing on FEH characters and giving them more space IS worth it n_n
Haha, every single one of my predictions got kicked in the crotch! I’ll take the Gunnthra win, though.
Absolutely adorable.
wow! thanks, unintelligent systems, for giving us the nino alt that nobody asked for!
Did their best!
Why the surprised? IS gave us Reinhardt and Olwen in the same banner in April… two unit we didn’t ask as alts.
At least this Nino had the decency to pick some extra armor to avoid looking the exact frikin’ same, unlike Reinhardt and Olwen.
Yeah… Reinhardt and Olwen just got a new horse and “Hey! I am a new unit now!”
Didn’t expect that, didya?
Oh, I apologise. I mean, didn’t know that, didya?
Not happy about Nino, but Canas, Karla, and Legault are a win.
I would have introduced Flying Blue Archer Fiora instead.
They sure love alts doesn’t it? Nino was totally unecessary.
Happy for Canas though, i don’t have a good Red character on my team, so he will probably be a permanent on my team if he doesn’t suck.
Well its a mobile gacha game like any other alts are nothing new.
compared to say mirishita who has 52 characters in total, where variations of characters makes sense, random alts are completely unjustified when you look at the amount of units FE has
Yeah… I accept seasonal heroes or even the legendaries… but I am not a fan of alt versions in normal banners.
Personally, I’m fine with alts. However, they’re mostly unnecessary/overused in FEH. Eirikia, for example, is a nice “what if” and shows how creative they can be, but it’s the kind of alt I would expect after all/most of the playable cast/major villains were in the game.
Everyone (including myself) thought the 4 Heroes Special Maps was referring to the CYL2 heroes, but turns out it’s most likely referring to the 4 Fang, now that we’re getting Linus the set is complete.
Also, my instinct is to say that Legault is gonna become the 4* demote, but Ares (and M!Morgan) certainly broke from that pattern with the last banner so I really don’t know at this point…though Nino is basically guaranteed to stay 5* with her being the 5 skill base kit unit of the banner.
I believe Legault can be the one demoted from this banner. Both Wrath and Even Spd Wave are really good skills, and have one of them at 4* can be a problem. Legault has Swift Strike and Atk Tactic, but the A-skill is not that amazing. It’s good against mages only. I hope for 4* Atk Tactic. And The Cleaner+ dagger is not that amazing either. If the enemy don’t have buffs, it’s basically a 12 Mt silver dagger. Although, the dagger is good against cavalry, armored, flying and tactic teams, and units with blade tomes, but I would prefer having a archer or a healer as colorless unit in my team.
I agree with you about Nino staying as 5* exclusive.
Oh, my… That background music, Karla, Legault, Linus and Canas (Luna pls)… I just can take so much hype, FE7 is my favourite one after FE9/10. But they could have put Sonia instead of another Nino.
And the other banner is BS. I was actually saving orbs for Julia or Deirdre, but I guess IS had other plans.
Canas is seen with the Rauðrowl tome, finally making it available as a non-five-star-locked source.
Not too good, since he will be limited. I almost want they come out with another “Ayra”, but being avaible at 4* after the banner.
Is Katarina that great? They should start excluding some units from the 5* pool, starting with Leo, Mist and Saber.
Katarina is basically Tharja, but with actual Res. The only thing that kept her locked was Swift Sparrow.
That’s a interesting banner. Also, a new owl tome user is always welcomed, and free (I hope)! I hope we can damage Surtr this time.
Also… YAY! LET’S GO GUNNTHRÁ! LET’S WIN THIS VOTING GAUNTLET!
Agree with everything! 🙂
Edit: we did it!!!!!
Good thing they’re dropping Canas close to summer. That way there’s absolutely no chance he’ll die trying to stop a snowstorm.
canas was killed by continuity errors
A veritable blizzard of continuity errors as it were.
Nino~ All on green!
I love fire emblem, but this game isn’t something I want to support anymore. Yes, I realize that there are tons of gacha games out there and yes, I realize that the gacha component is completely optional, however I don’t think that makes it right. Taking advantage of addiction is NEVER right.
Furthermore, the creation of so many alts also makes me wonder if the creators even care about other characters anymore. Also the lack of interesting content is… well you know. I won’t go into further detail, (because tons of people have listed problems wrong with the game already) I just wanted to write this so I can hold myself accountable for quitting.
Good luck everyone!
I believe that their silent justification is that this approach will dramatically increase the overall lifespan of the game, as they’ll have more units to introduce over a longer period of time. It’s clever through the idea of squeezing as much money out of it as possible, but also extremely bullshit.
I’ll still keep playing it even though I find it to be an overall bad game, as I can use characters I wouldn’t be able to otherwise due to being locked or outright bad. I learned to appreciate it a bit more once I relaxed my opinion of wanting it to be an actual FE experience. But I can definitely understand your reasoning of wanting to stop.
Thanks for the kind response. I agree with your first paragraph. I also agree it is appetizing to look at the game in a more relaxed sense (especially when you can use your favorite characters for free basically) however I feel that the gacha element is really what really holds heroes back from being an amazing game.
Using what you are given is what I associate fire emblem with, and thats what makes the experience fun to me in the main games and as as (mostly) f2p player in heroes. As f2p you slowly build your units up and see your progression over the months. You feel accomplished really. Summoning throws that out the window, allowing people to throw their money away, to get that feeling of accomplishment faster.
I guess I would much rather pay 4.99 a month for an FE game, then see a small amount of people pay thousands of dollars to keep it going because they are addicted to the gambling aspect of it.
The salt sure is real with Nino; there’s simply no pleasing some people. Seriously, what’s the problem with sneaking in just a single alt alongside 4 new units?
Because the original Nino is just fine. Another Nino wasn’t necessary, and they’re just capitalizing on her popularity. It means a slot that could have belonged to another Blazing Sword character.
At least she’s wearing a slightly different outfit though.
Being unnecessary is not synonymous with being unwanted; as one of the most popular Blazing Sword units who had yet to receive an alt more than a year after her initial release, Nino was an excellent pick to be an alt for the banner.
Sustainability is a pivotal factor in the continued success of gacha games, and FEH only has slightly less than 500 units across the whole franchise to introduce before the pool runs dry. Since the majority of FEH’s characters hail from other games in the franchise rather than original creations for FEH itself, IS needs to pad out the releases of new individual characters to maintain the fanbase.
This is neither capitalistic greed nor laziness; all surviving gacha games in the current day adhere to this practice for continued existence. If you don’t like it, view it as an act of compromise rather than an act of malice, because FEH’s lifespan would be shortened a great deal without these alts.
So, I can finally kill Surtr for good! But wait, that’s too soon! I didn’t get to fight Laevatein, Laegjarn, Helbindi’s sister (because I know Helbindi is dead already), and Loki one last time before Surtr! Also, I don’t see Veronica with Surtr, maybe she’s imprisoned before her execution. Not to mention there is still no Hrid, and it still doesn’t make sense that Ylgr is with the Order of Heroes, yet she’s not playable! What’s going on here?!
Now, about this new Banner… Do I even want to bother?
I’m so happy to finally see Legault in the game. I, however, think this game has a serious alt problem. Instead of making alts that are canonical and fun to pull for they simply take a unit and throw them on a pegasus or kenji and its painfully boring. The CYL1 alts were fun as hell because they were at least somewhat canonical (Lyn uses the Sacaean bow Mulagir, Roy is using Durandal, Ike is dressed as his father and uses Urvan, and Lucina is in her promotion outfit). Here are some fun alt ideas:
Old man Hector from FE6
Fomortis possessed Lyon
Hero promoted Ike with Ettard
Arch sage Soren
Swordmaster Joshua with the wind sword
Lyn with Mani Katti (and not mulagir for the third time)
Hector dressed as Durban while using Wolf Beil
Eliwood non mounted with Rapier
Raven using swords
Ogma not looking like he was drawn by a 2 year old
Robin in the grandmaster outfit with a sword
The list goes on yet we still get these half baked alts that make no sense (Eirika stealing Knolls tome for example)
I’ve seen those on Etsy. They’re insane.
Would definitely be interested buying on of those.
Thanks for referencing them here.
Nice, Edmonton is only a three hour drive from where I live, so I may actually check this out someday.
I can’t help but be reminded of the Noseless Celebrities meme by the angle on Xander and Azura in that picture, which only makes me like this even more.
Guh, only enough orbs for 3 rolls. Raven, followed by 5 star Deirdre. Followed by Karla.
The rates in this game are just sometimes too good to believe.
Karla’s art is by Senri Kita, too. Looks amazing…
Pulled a Nino on my 2 summon, doesn’t matter that her IVs are basically neutral, I’m just glad she’s neither -Atk or -Spd.
How come no one mentioned how Kaze secretly ninja’d himself into the 3* / 4* pool for the new banner?
sub 40 orbs for Legault, Karla, and Elincia. nothing to complain about this time.
Now, with the adition of Kaze to the summoning pool, this maybe open the possibility of Tempest Trial units to be added too (except the seasonal units). Would be
cool to have units like Joshua or Gerome in the pool, because they have
good skills.
I still can’t believe we can just summon Atk Smoke at 4 stars. I know it’s a seal but that is still amazing for other combos and solo runs.
Yeah! And Atk Smoke C-skill can be used alongside Spd Smoke SS to reduce enemy’s attack power.
Interesting story chapter. I can see Fjorm’s brother to be added in the next update. Also, it’s good to have another easy Squad Assaut, but I would like new type of seal as reward.
And for F2P players, or players who want to use F2P units in videos, Roy and Tailtiu are good units!
About the weapon refinements… I am not sure if refined Excalibur will help Merric, but I am happy for him. The same goes for Linde. The problem we need to have more than 1 mage in the team, or a healer (which will receive a great adition with Live to Serve sacred seal in the next TT). The Tikis, in the other hand, I have a mixed feelings about them. For Young Tiki… good for her. Breath of Fog is pretty cool. For Adult Tiki… I am not sure. Without a Distant Counter skill available, I am not sure if I will trade Lighting Breath for the new weapon. Still waiting for Azura, Robin and the Askr Trio refinements/new weapons.
And I am a neutral position about acessories. Never used in Fates, and maybe this will happen in Heroes too.
Got 2 Nino, a Julia and a Nephenee from attempting to snipe greens and choosing blues when there were none in about 120 orbs. No amazing IV’s but at least my Nino merge project can begin in earnest.
Story chapter was… ok. I definitely think Fjorm’s bro is the next LH, there has been too much talk of him lately. I can see him being an axe infantry, but we really have no idea what he looks like as of now. Interesting to see what this “Rite of Flames” is all about though. At least Surtr hasn’t gone down like a total chump yet.
I don’t believe it, Surtr is invincible! …Well, that’s it, my attempt to kill that evil bastard who ruined my once-in-a-lifetime chance to get a free Gunnthrá was all in vain, because Surtr has already completed the Rite or Flames. Wait, did he sacrificed Veronica already? And I still didn’t see this “Hríd” person, nor do we know if the Ylgr I rescued is the real Ylgr or Loki in disguise!
…Anywho, WHAT THE HELL?! I ended up getting 5 useless 3-Star Heroes in a row, followed by another useless 3-Star Hero! This game trolled me once again, and this time, it’s the biggest trolling they have ever done to me! SCREW THIS GAME!!
I love your comments. Every time I am feeling bad, I read your comments and I begin to feel better by knowing there is a person who life is saddest than mine.
Piss off, you glory hog troll! How come you get all of the Legendary Heroes when I only have 2?! I don’t need a pity from a rich bastard such as you!
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I’m sorry, but is that supposed to be you in the picture that you uploaded? Wow, just wow.
Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night little one.
Hiya, please try not to egg on other users.
Sorry. I promise this will not happen again. Well… at least not from me. ^^
To be fair, you’d have to be a saint not to get agitated by that guy. You could try blocking him, but you’d still know if he’s around because someone inevitably replies to him.
Hiya, I understand your frustration. But please try not to get riled up by other users.
Hey, I can’t help it if they mock my failures with their successes, them being rich with money while I’m broke.
At this point I just want Sutr to die and I don’t care how anticlimatic it is. Even if he chokes on a piece of bread or gets squished by a falling pegasus. The only bright side is the hope that we’ll get to meet Hrid in the next chapter.
Sorry to hear about your awful luck. 🙁 I went in expecting the same, and the game decided to be nice and give me a 5-Star Legault. I think it felt bad for getting me hopes up about Sutr dying.
One does not simply kill Ganondorf without him being reincarnated (again).
And I don’t know what happened in this banner, but I got my first Hector and Legault on my first session. Then, another Legault, and I really wanted his Tactics.
Good thing they keep up with joined-art cards!
That’s a lovely set for Louise and Pent. And Leila!
I got a +Def-Spd Adult Tiki, but I really wanted Young Tiki since I have Warding Breath and she could probably use Breath of Fog better for Anti-Dragon.
I really think they shouldn’t have put A!Tiki on this banner. Y!Tiki is rare enough as it is, there’s no reason to make her even more difficult to obtain by sharing a focus with a 3-4 star unit.
No new heroes, only swimsuits… We need some Sword of Seals and Radiant Dawn.
At least I have another chance to beat Lyon Infernal, since it was a real pain back then.
Me: No new story chapter and Hríd, RIP.
Seeing as a Blue/Fire legendary hero with a Res buff is coming (Legendary Athos would be amazing!) Until the next cycle (which would probably begin with Wind), I don’t think Hrid will be showing up as summonable until Earth/Water sword/Tome.
I didn’t mean summonable right off the bat, but revealed. Design, personality, weapon and such. I have a theory they might “legendarize” only those Nífl characters that will die during the Múspell agression. Gunny is dead and Fjorm is pretty much set to pay with her life for the Rite of Ice in the end imo. And those two are legendary.
Then again, it would be a bad marketing move to not give us the other characters eventually – as long as people are willing to pay for them huh? 🙂
Yeah. I kinda wanna see Hrid too. I mean, the guy straight up pulled an “Ephraim” on Surtr. So he needs to be badass. I kinda want him to be a legendary Dagger unit but im fine with another sword. Just kinda wished they gave us some Muspell Characters in as well (Laevateinn, Laegaern? And Helbindi were really good units.)
My guess is ice archer 🙂
was it that difficult? though I guess it’s relative to which units you have.
I actually had to use a guide at the time to complete it. I’ll probably still be able to wreck it with my own CC Lyon though
Nice. I can save orbs for the entire month
I hope to see Archanean and/or Valentian Summer, but please no Summer Celica.
Magnus is a boss in act 4 on Alm side
I hope they do something different for summer than swimsuits.. we have 8 swimsuit units already.
Aside from dressing characters up for the Hoshidan equivalent of Tanabata (which would admittedly be great), I can’t exactly see anything but swimsuits for banners since they’ve got universal appeal.
There’s nothing wrong with having a lot of swimsuit units so long as the original characters don’t already have too many alts. Imagine the outcry if Summer Lyn became a thing
Next Legendary Hero could be Eliwood, with all these Black Fang Events and TT+ and even a BHB with Hector & Matthew, last time Lyn as Legendary Hero and in August time for CYL2 with Hector. But it´s just speculation for fun~
Awakening Beach DLC with Tharja when? (°w° )
Its possible but then again everyone thought the last Legendary was gonna be a fire hero, possibly Roy, but we wound up with a flying Ryoma as a water hero so theres really no telling till the banner appears. Personally I’m hoping for maybe Jaffar or even Brendan Reed, heck I’d take Ursula, just someone thats actually connected to Black Fang itself so long as its NOT Sonia. I hate her with a passion and take great satisfaction in killing her in the Water Temple gaiden chapter in 7, she’s the evilest woman I’ve ever seen in a game, I mean yeah theres plenty of evil female villains in games (though none that comes to mind right now) but at least they have a possible chance at redeeming themselves but not Sonia. She’s so evil that she’d order the death of her own daughter (but if you’ve played 7 then you know how well that went). I don’t know of any other female villains that would go THAT far just to get rid of her own kid. I could go on and on but that’d just make a wall of text so I won’t.
I’d love Summer Tharja as well as the remaining characters from Summer Scrabble and Beach Brawl, but since last year’s banners were focused on Awakening and Conquest it’s likely this year’s banners will also focus on specific games, and I’m not sure I want a second Awakening banner. Hopefully, one of the two features characters from mixed games so Tharja, Chrom, and/or Cordelia can appear in it.
Eliwood could make for an interesting Legendary Hero, but I have a rather hard time imagining him without a sword and taking away his horse seems rather silly. I’m hoping the Legendary Hero is from a game which hasn’t had one yet, like perhaps Bow Alm or Horse Seliph.
Interesting. Hope to see another one featuring Celica & co.
Looks viable now, but I’m sure reinforcements won’t stop coming.
And this is the map after the water temple… Lloyd dying first = canon.
To be fair it makes more sense. Lloyd should be the more reasonable one, willing to listen to Eliwood. And a sudden outrage and refusing to listen to Nino is far more like Linus too.
This is a very easy GHB. Both Hard and Lunatic I beat in my first tries, and in the second try on Infernal because I made a mistake in my first attempt. Thanks IS for the easy 3 Linus and 2000 feathers.
For me, Linus will be like Male Kana… a unit I don’t plan to use as fodder and I will keep every single copy of him with the hope of getting him with many merges possible.
So. Feh straight up tells you to use flier emblem. If you’re having trouble listen to the little owl
I see Snoopy finally stole his blanket.
Holy crap you’re fast the direct ended like 3 minutes ago…
Seems very promising so far; the art style is clean and the combat looks fresh. The cinematics were kinda awkward tho, same issue with Echoes where they seem choppy.
Not really an issue; it’s an intended style. There seems to be a belief that 3D cell-shaded cutscenes need to have the same choppiness as traditional 2D animation, otherwise it doesn’t look right. (I don’t agree with that belief though.)
side note marth now head stabs like in Mystery
Yes!!! Finally a fire emblem game for switch :D!!!
Three Houses looks great, sucks that its been delayed to 2019 though :(. Also Lyn is STILL an Assist Trophy? Seriously? Has Sakuri (if he’s still directing Smash) not learned anything? I mean I’m pretty sure he’s likely to have talked to IS devs for FE’s series and learned that Lyn is REALLY popular, not to mention she really should be playable over Lucina since Lucina is a straight up copy of Marth minus the extra damage from the tip of her sword.
I guess they finally got around to getting Marth’s English VA to voice him again in Smash, which is fine by me. At least this time we’ll know what he’s saying during the victory screen.
Except that Lyn would end up just being a literal replacement to Lucina. And while Lyn is popular amongst FE fans, Lucina has gain larger popularity outside of the FE fanbase so it’s not actually a good move to just replace her with Lyn. Plus they probably intend to give us 1 additional FE character as DLC from the switch game so adding yet another FE sword character would cause all kinds of backlash. Also, also, FE7 is not currently relevant so unless a remake was gonna come out, she stood little chance of getting added (remember back to his statement about Robin and Lucina making it in because of the relevance of Awakening and Corrin’s inclusion as promotion for Fates).
And yet I’ve seen some people want Lyn to replace Lucina or Corrin. Corrin has a unique moveset so he’s a no go but Lucina is a literal clone of Marth, only thing setting her apart is that she doesn’t need to rely on the tip of her Falchion to do damage. I had this discussion once before and I’ll say this, Roy can also be argued that he’s a clone of Marth too, I’ll not deny that, however he’s more of a semi-clone more than a full blown one like Lucina. He’s slightly slower, his neutral b is different where at full power he can ko someone in a instant with a minor 10% backlash to himself, his neutral A attack is different as are his A smashes, and instead of the tip of the Binding Blade, he wants to get up close and personal and use the middle part of the blade to do extra damage.
And Lucina is only popular BECAUSE of Awakening and mostly by newer members of the series whereas Lyn has been known since 7 came to the rest of the world but the much older fans. Not to mention Lyn could have been easily added as a playable right alongside Ike in Brawl, which came way before anyone knew about Awakening yet she only wound up being a trophy. And I never 100% followed Smash’s development due to eyeing other games that were planned to come out at the same time. And another thing is that while its true that Awakening and Fates did well with sales they really shouldn’t be the ONLY ones focused on like they are somehow the only ones of the series, thats something that really annoyed me about Warriors since half the dang cast was Fates characters, the other half being Awakening with one at the time being an NPC (this is base game mind you), ONLY three characters from SD with one at the time being a NPC and then you have Lyn and Celica with no story relevance whatsoever and are only unlockable via History Mode. Don’t get me wrong, I like Warriors and hopefully a possible sequal will do better in the roster department.
And I’m not saying Lucina should removed completely, just make her a skin for Marth since thats really what she should’ve been in the first place.
And a possible remake for 7 somewhere in the near future? Yes please! Hopefully with 6 combined with it and does something similar to 4. First generation played first and then years later 6 takes place and we play as the second generation with a few of the first gen members here and there.
I do play Smash competitively so you don’t need to patronize me on the differences between the FE sword characters. My argument is that with Sakurai’s vision, they would not have been able to add Lyn in unless she were to be just another clones; by essentially replacing Lucina. They only had the dev time to add (to our current knowledge) 2 new characters along with every returning character, that is a lot of work.
A lot of people are demanding Lyn, but a lot more people wouldn’t want her because they don’t know her. You really play up Lyn’s significance, but that is only within the western FE community, and the older fans at that. As much as it might pain you, us old fans don’t matter as much as you like to think; we’re a gross minority in the modern fanbase.
And yes, relevancy matters a lot when it comes to character inclusion. Roy’s inclusion was promotion for FE6, Ike’s because PoR was the most recent FE game and they figured to replace Roy. And Robin and Lucina’s inclusions was tied to the relevancy an timing to Awakening’s release, this is not speculation on my part but actual confirmation from daddy Sakurai himself in interviews. Corrin like Roy, was promotion for Fates. So my reason for mentioning this is that unless there was a FE7 remake to make Lyn relevant again, she has no chance.
Lyn will never get added, Hector will never get added, Camilla will never get added, Ephraim…and the list goes on and on. They’re not relevant enough to be added.
And honestly, I don’t want anymore FE sword characters, and no one else does either. Everyone was pissed that Corrin was included, not because she lacked an original moveset, but because despite being a unique fighter she is another FE rep and people don’t want anymore.
Didn’t mean to patronize you, I apologize for that. And unfortunately I have to agree that we older fans aren’t look at much, big shocker though since Awakening/Fates have taken over the spotlight. All I’m saying is those two need to take a backseat for a little while and have the others focused on some more.
I knew Roy was added to Melee for 6’s promotion since it came out around the same time and thats really when Fire Emblem caught the interest of those outside Japan (I know it did for me at least), same with Corrin. And honestly while I would like Lyn to be more than a blasted assist trophy, I’d take just about any FE character that isn’t a mounted unit (since it would probably rather hard to have a horse running around on a somewhat small stage, fliers might be able to get away with it a little better but horses not so much). Lance, axe, a mage (Robin doesn’t count since he/she can actually fight back with his/her Bronze/Levin Sword), heck even an archer for ranged shenanigans will do, preferably a named one that is also playable in their respective game.
I honestly wouldn’t mind if they didn’t put anymore sword FE characters in (hense why I said I’d take just about any FE character at this point), I just want Lyn to be playable thats all. And everyone may have been mad about Corrin but too bad for them he/she was already planned to be in Smash 4 since Fates was coming out a few weeks after his/her release. That much I know was mentioned from a dev interview.
It’s not up to Smash to celebrate the other FE games, that responsibility falls to games like Heroes and Warriors. So no, it’s not time for the Awakening/Fates characters to “take a backseat for a little while and have the others focused on some more” because that is antithetical to what Smash is, a celebration of gaming as a whole. It’s the reason why we don’t see picks like Toon Ganon or Toon Zelda added (both were demanded for way more than every FE pick combined), because I’ll say it agin…relevancy. That is why, plain and simple. characters get added in as either a legacy character (Pit, Marth, Lil Mac, etc.) or as the ‘current’ character (Ike, Toon Link, Shulk, etc.). So if you want to argue for a character outside of Awakening and Fates getting added, you’d have a better argument for the inclusion of either Alm or Celica.
Eh, wouldn’t mind Alm or Celica being in to rep Echoes, problem with that is Alm is a 100% sword user before promote and Celica would be too much like Robin wielding sword and magic. Didn’t know Toon Ganon and Toon Zelda were in big demand for Smash, I do know that Ridely was in demand since Wii U but wasn’t put in Wii U because he was apparently too big yet it appears he’s playable in the new one. Same with Daisy despite the fact that she’s been a color alt for Peach. And apparently some character named Shovel Knight.
I’ll be stopping this discussion so as to not make it possibly get ugly, something I doubt either of us want.
fire emblem three house look’s like a mixture of echoes and the tellius series for what i can tell.
More like Fire Emblem by way of Trails of Cold Steel, with the whole military academy angle (or at least I think what it is, mock battles after all…)
I don’t think so, mock battles aren’t that uncommon, and they don’t seem like they’re just teenagers in school…
We have our PC, who is called teacher by a girl wearing what looks like a pimped out military uniform, combined with the other characters who also are wearing such things
Wait, the art is NOTHING like SoV. It couldn’t be more distinctive? This looks like Persona or something.
I thought the same thing when I saw it!
Yeah, I don’t know what game Elieson played…
It lowkey bothers me when news outlets post opinions and personal touches to news posts. IMO that should be left to the blogs and content creators or specific opinion-pieces.
this isn’t a news outlet so why does it bother you?
well, Ike is my Main with Pikachu so thats neat~
An Aristocrat who wields Swords and Axes and maybe uses Magic? Thats cute!
It looks massiv like an actual army with all these People on the battlefield, but on the map it was really only 10 Units (°w°)/
i’m hearing that the artist is chinatsu (of uta prince fame). not 100% confirmed though.
I hope Edelgard isn’t going to get Lyn’d.
Oof, I don’t like the art style, some Persona-Fate thing. But the rest seems pretty good and interesting, if I say so. I hope they don’t ruin it somehow with fan service and such.
Greg Chun and Yuri Lowenthal in SSB. Nice! Lyn and Roy will be Misty Lee and Ray Chase, then.
Wendee Lee voices Lyn, not Misty Lee.
Oh, right. I was thinking Wendy actually, so I don’t know why I put that. Let’s leave the mistake for the jokes.
Looks good, far better than I expected actually, but nothing is perfect. First of all I’m not a big fan of the magic system and weapon skills from SoV and the thought of this game being anything like that game deflated my hype significantly. Secondly, while an avatar is not outright confirmed, and I have a feeling it might be scrapped, the protagonist seems to be silent which might imply it’s a self insert. Thirdly, the formation system may be a gimmick that can hurt map design, which I hope it isn’t. At least it looks better than pair up.
No fanservice in sight though, which is always a plus.
Am i the only one who thinks the green-haired guy is an avatar?
Fódlan’s Japanese name is a reference to the Irish goddess, Fódla. Who, by the way, has two more sisters, Banba and Ériu. Whether this will be significant to the game has yet to be seen.
Which, incidentally, are also the names of the three Mage Sisters in Genealogy of the Holy War.
This is almost certainly not significant, but now you know anyways.
Nice analysis, it makes me more relieved, I was getting a bit worried about the group troops formation and the enemies looked like manequins as FEWarriors for a awhile…
Great analysis the wait for info on this game and coming was worth it!
This analysis was great, several points I didn’t noticed.
About the outcome of your saying to Edelgard to train axe skills is the very first battle in the trailer since she says it’s a “mock battle”.
Call me crazy, but does anyone notice how weird the hub looks? Could this be a VR title?
There’s no real point in that…
You never know, Nintendo has done some crazy stuff before.
The heck with Claude’s skin in the game? Its Caucasian while his actual artwork depicts him as a darker tone. And before anyone jumps on the whole “he was in artificial lighting in the cave so it could have whited his skin out”, well, if you pause his combat time when he first appears outside, you’ll see his skin color is Caucasian.
Maybe he might get a gradual tan throughout the game, or it could be the cause of some magic-related shenanigans similar to how people in the Fate franchise gradually tan through excessive use of magic.
Alternatively, a more pragmatic explanation would be that there’s still finishing touches yet to be done on him and that’s not how his model will look in the final game, though it’s rather unlikely since he showed up in a cinematic and all. I recall a similar situation with Shantae prior to Half Genie Hero’s release where her skin was lighter than it was in the game proper.
It’s a fairly light tan, and maybe they had issues conveying that. Boey in Echoes looks Grayish which is weird after all.
Seeing a return to the feeling of Jugdral is really refreshing, and I’m loving the new art style since it reminds me of SMT IV, though Dimitri looks more like a SoV character. From what I can gather, the naming sense of the game draws inspiration from Gaelic, Anglo-Saxon, and Nordic languages. It’d be nice if the game was a little lighter on the Norse naming than Heroes, since it’s tough for me to discuss Book II characters with friends who can’t pronounce Nordic names. Having surnames is a good call.
This is purely speculation on my part, but I’m hoping the story is a mixture of Fates and Genealogy. The former had some real potential going for it which went unused or underutilized, and I’m thinking some good old fashioned love and political drama could do the trick. It’d be kind of nice if Heroes threw us a bone by sneaking in some like Edelgard shortly before the game releases like what happened with Faye last year, since I don’t think I can contain my hype until Spring.
With potentially 21(22) different crested houses to work with on top of characters that wouldn’t be I’m sure the eugenics programs some players will come up with will be spectacular.
It is interesting to see a more subtle culture clash instead of generic European vs the generic Japanese of Fates. The Main three are Celtic/welsh, Anglo and Nordic, although rotated 180 from where they are in our world respectively. But we also see places like Palmyra which is Greco-Arabic and probably why Claude is ambiguously brown, assuming that the cultures are supposed to represent real world cultures to an extent. Morpheus is a straight Greek name and deity and Threne is a death dirge in Greek so its probably a wasteland, Brigit is a Gaelic deity as in Irish. Albino aside from its representation as the name for those with pigment deficiencies comes from Spanish.
So we are left with Anglo, Nordic, Spanish, Greek, Arab, Celtic Irish, Czech, and French in some of the minor areas. Its really just a mixed bag of cultural and linguistic names that all seem to be around and associated with each other. The Central area looks neutral and mountainous meaning its like Switzerland. This ought to be fun if they go all out on the lore for this game for its big Switch debut.
That about units representing troops as in Advance Wars was actually something IntSys has been wanting to do since Genealogy of the Holy War, according to an interview. Thank you for this analysis, I learned a lot! I wonder if you can choose what house to side with.
Rusalka actually has a meaning in Czech. It’s a beautiful forest fairy that lures men into swamp to drawn. Antonin Dvorak wrote an opera based on that legend. Curious to see a FE region named after it.
Thank goodness I can finally put my Jaffar to use for something. He’s been warming the bench for the better part of a year now even though he’s got several merges on him.
I don’t have any need for Karel since I already have more than enough swords, but I’ll do a full round of summoning on the banner anyways in case I get lucky.
The Wind might be the dragonkind. their symbol of breath look like winds
Man but Claude is frigging GORGEOUS.
Wow! I got Amelia in my free summon. That’s surprised me. My last free summon 5* was PA!Azura in her original banner. I don’t plan to use her, but I am happy anyway.
You honestly should use Amelia, she’s awesome. One of the faster armors, good defense and HP, fairly fast with her res being her only weak point which nothing out of the ordinary for melee armors. Plus she’s the only one outside LA!Lyn and H!Henry to have Armor March and the latter two are limited only and can’t be gotten normally whereas she can.
Oh, right… I forgot to mention it: I already have Amelia in my catalog. Although, my first Amelia is +HP/-Spd, and this new one is +Res/-Spd (sadly, both -Spd), and her super boon in Res makes me happy. I need to think if I will use her. I already use a Axe unit in my Armored Team, as LA!Hector. I have original Hector too. And as Armor March unit, I have LA!Lyn in my team, but I also have H!Henry and Xmas Robin in my barrack. But thanks for the recommendation.
Ah well that makes more sense now. I’d say keep the +RES one till you get a non -SPD although +HP helps her Earth Boost too but +RES is probably more useful to make her something of a mixed tank. I think mine is +HP/-RES and that was waaaaay back when the first Sacred Stones banner came out and I got stupid lucky in snagging her as my free 5*.
I just watched the german version of the reveal trailer in the Direct and the subtitles there state, that Seiros is a female. I suppose you have enough german speaking people to check and confirm that to you. It is right in the first sentence, where the english voice just says “the divine Seiros”
That could well just be a translation choice. You can’t really leave it ungendered in German without sounding weird, and the translator will have to go with his or her best call of what they think it will be.
Thanks! Seiros does look feminine from their appearance on the tapestry, but I wanted to play it safe for the time being ^^
The german version translated “crests” to “talents”
Join Edgelord and Cyka Byleth on their journey to literally kill everyone and everything!
On a more serious note I wanted to point out some thing things that may have been missed, the country and county names are obviously analogous to the UK and the barbarian enemies are wearing kilts so they may be Scots.
Fodla is the name of an Irish goddess who was one of a triumvirate and is sometimes used as an ancient name for Ireland.
The whole three houses thing may be referring to the War of The Roses where two branches of the royal house fought for supremacy so the warring countries may all have once been a part of a greater whole.
The Fodla thing is a bit of a bust because Genealogy we had the three sisters named after her and her sisters. But the rest of it seems believable, nice catch.
Also, really loving the already budding memes that Edgelord and Cyka Byleth (Creative one, this) have spawned.
Cyka Byleth… like that
I could just type this out, but I’m lazy so I’ll post this screenshot
saying my point. The designs in the command menu might mean something.
Previous FEs have used text colors to do the same thing. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0432711351bdc5b414a6c30cda013ee7a7a97c824e185c2702e3e797b5bbba3b.png
Nice analysis.
Figured there’d be an avatar, let’s hope they don’t mess up again.
We need a subtle Avatar. (and not one who uses his/her Sue powers to control all the other characters toward his/her ultimate goal of replacing the local Lovecraftian dragon god. 😀 )
Well we don’t need an avatar at all.
You and I know that, but I think IS is convinced FE’s success post-Awakening is because of the Avatars…
To you might think so not to me and MANY others that do.
People really resonate with the player Avatar thing they made in FE7 with Mark. Since Awakening was IS’s final hail mary they decided to bring it back with Robin and Corrin and it resonated with new fans too so now its likely to remain a thing in Fire Emblem for the foreseeable future. I personally like the idea of creating a relatively balanced avatar for yourself and the marriage and child system. I don’t think its appropriate for every Fire Emblem though. The Child system worked in Genealogy and it worked in Awakening, both for story reasons, but they used a GIANT asspull to shoehorn it into Fates.
After doing some research, I found that Byleth, or more commonly known as Beleth, is a figure in demonology. I’m not very surprised by this, given the dark cloak and the red symbol on his chest. He is a king of hell who has 85 legions of demons at his disposal, so I would be incredibly surprised if he is not the tactician and main character of the game. He rides a pale horse, so he may get a mount upon promotion. After the Great Flood, an event found in many religions, he was summoned by Noah’s son, who he helped write a book about mathematics, which could explain the “teacher” role. In my opinion, the most interesting thing I found was that he is summoned by striking a want to the south, then to the east, and upwards to form a triangle. If you look at the geography of the places the 3 lords come from, they appear to be in this same formation, and given her prominence in the trailer, I think it’s safe to assume that Byleth will start in Hresvelgr with her before traveling to Regan and subsequently Blaidad. From what I read, it is also stated that “Beleth causeth all the love that may be, both of Men and of Women, until the Master Exorcist hath had his desire fulfilled,” but I’m not quite sure what this means.
I also looked into the names of the 3 lords. Edelgard’s name, unsurprisingly, means noble protector. Based on this, she is probably going to be a Corrin-esque character, so we all have that to look forward to. Claude’s name means lame, limping, or stuttering. This could mean that he is incompetent, but I think it is more likely that he has an inferiority complex, like another archer we all know and love. He seems a lot like Gray from Echoes, with his wild hair and his fun, foolhardy expression, so I’m very interested in how his character is going to be written. The most interesting name out of the bunch is Dimitri, which derives from the Greek goddess Demeter and means lover of the earth. Demeter is the goddess of agriculture, harvest, fertility, and sacred law. Sacred law refers to moral code, and the “earth lover” meaning in his name could indicate that Dimitri is a lover of his homeland and potentially another Camus. The most famous story involving Demeter involves her daughter, Persephone, being tricked into getting trapped in the underworld and marrying Hades, and her distraught mother, as the goddess of agriculture, let the earth go barren. Eventually, a deal was struck to allow Persephone to leave for 4 months of the year, which is the ancient Greek explanation for the seasons. Interestingly, Dimitri lives in the far north, and his home’s emblem depicts snow. If this legend is paralleled in the plot, it could also mean that Dimitri or someone in his house might side with Byleth, who would be the equivalent of Hades.
I can’t believe we got that awful title instead of something more similar to the japanese one which I think it’s amazing
Anyway this was a really nice analysis thankss
Fu** IS, Canas is my favorite character on Blazing Blade and he is horrible…
Why should i use him if even Sophia can be a lot better than him? And she is a free unit too.
That’s why Tempest Trial piss me off so badly.
Now that i take this out of my chest, im gonna uninstall the game, i don’t want to see another character that i like being treated like that, it would be a lot better if he wasn’t in the game at all, the only reason that he exist is to be a skill fodder.
I feel similarly about Marisa, though I’ve managed to make her less shit by handing her slaying edge+, aether, steady blow, wrath, and odd atk wave. heck, I’ve even made Lyon somewhat useful. pretty much every unit is usable with some investment.
Nice! thank you for the in-depth review!
This is an awesome analysis! You’ve done a great job with this, really fun seeing the connections in the trailer!
The symbol on his cape is reminiscent of the dragon symbols we’ve seen before, definitely looking like the rival ruler that we fight before the inevitable dragon
Another small weird thing I noticed in the trailer is that at the end of the trailer where we see the “young” girl sitting on the chair/throne after the music ends is that she sighs or breathes out. It could also be a yawn but it makes it seem like she’s either waiting for something or just woke up after some time.
Looks pretty bloody cool! It seems, from this first trailer, that they’ve learned from the mistakes of FE14 (tone down the Avatar’s power/significance/sue-ish-ness a bit (A LOT, I’m hoping), actually name the continent…) and that they’re expanding on FE15’s (and FE9/10’s…) mechanical ideas.
I’m all for the one-character-is-a-squad-leader idea. It makes way more sense and adds a lot of depth to the game (badly needed after FE14’s creation-myth-soap-opera and also the very lovely but nevertheless very OP’d Dual-Strike-Apotheosis-is-the-only-challenging-map mechanic). I do love the earlier Emblems and their 10-teen-badasses-against-the-local-Lovecraftian-Dragon-god but, really, it was a bit ridiculous:
KENT: OMG, Lyn! There’s, like, FIFTY soldiers out there! We’re doomed!
LYN: R-Really, Laus? Sure, we’re outnumbered 15-to-one because it’s the 3 of us & Wil & Florina, but… Who sends 50 guys to sack a whole castle!? Is that even a full battalion?!
SAIN: There’s more inside.
LYN: Yeah, no more than 30. That’s 80. 80 guys are supposed to take over all of Lycia.
Yes, it’ll be nice to actually command the actual-armies we’ve been seeing for years in the cutscenes (*cough*The Path Is Yours*cough*). It pleases my strategic brain.
I predict you play a lowly tactician/professor from a tiny neutral fief with a university to kill and/or die for and, because a war *always* has to break out, a war breaks out, forcing you to chose one of the three dashing peeps above to the detriment of the other two. With your guiding hand, chosen lord is able to remain just, but the other two succumb to their weaknesses, maybe even ingest an evil dragon soul because why the heck not (those crazy kids and their narcotics!). You and chosen lord then have to kill the other two because they’ve fallen too far into perdition.
Maybe choice actually means there’s plenty outcomes to play with, like some redemption options… and maybe even a special “screw it, let’s go to Albino. Sounds nice.” option.
Basically, it’ll be like Fates, I wager, but it’ll suck less and have more dramatic weight because the characters are more fleshed out, less overpowered, and more relatable. —This is what I really hope for. And a dash of intrigue too. Makes the game even more interesting and immersive (it’ll earn the rich art design! IT WILL EARN IT!!!).
Welp! *Claps* Time to buy a Switch! XD
Fairly straight forward TT+. Kind of surprised how easy the final map is, the last one at least had a ting of difficulty with Loki, but Ursula is a joke. No real complaints though seeing all the free stuff we get from this.
I’m pretty sure Limstella kills Lloyd at the end of Four Fanged Offense, not Ursula. I don’t think Ursula is involved at all.
Thanks, I got mixed up since Limstella can kill Ursula.
Or is actually Loki. Ursula is not so bad, she gives you a Hammerne…
If you look at the screenshot with Edelgard with End and Rsl, you’ll also see her hit rate. It is 71. But a second later, when she fights a sword unit, it is 67. There is a difference of 4, meaning weight, formation, and/or support may be affecting accuracy, but the weapon triangle is undoubtedly there.
A ‘Few’ things;
–Why is there a different option for “Equip” and “Items”, when in previous games you could equip weapons etc, in a character “items” menu? Is there something else that they will be used for or am I just brain dead and forgetting something?
–Also we see that there is a lot of additional space when Edelgard is selecting a weapon… Could we be getting increased inventory like in RD?
–Byleth is a name that is synonymous with Beleth… the name of a demon in J. R. R. Tolkien’s books. Byleth is such a specific and weird name, unlike Robin or Corrin (which is translated from Kamui in Japan, which means spiritual or divine being). Do you think the name was specifically chosen for a reason, similar to how Kamui relates to how Corrin is part dragon (a divine being in FE) and son of Anankos.
–Is it just me or does the clothes and colours Byleth wear look similar to the “Antagonist” shown who has that Whip/Sword similar to Ivy from Soul Calibur? Also I believe the symbols on Byleth’s attire shown in free roam looks similar to that of the symbol shown on the Antagonist. Is it a possibility that they’re from the same Faction (Which I believe is the Church mentioned on Nintendo’s Official Website).
–Hilda and Mercedes don’t exactly look like random, nor your “typical enemy”. I believe that what we saw was actually a Mock Battle mentioned by Edelgard, and that Mercedes and Hilda are actually playable characters. Also not to mention your character is supposed to be “teacher” of some sort and Edelgard was talking about the mock battle in an area that resembled a classroom of sorts.
Cipher treated Canas a lot better than Heroes.
This looks like ephraim and eirika to me, but i HAVE been wildly wrong in the past. probably chrom and tharja
I will stop playing Heroes, but before that, i HAVE to pick Oliver, he’s so beautiful… Of course i will upgrade him to 5* and level him to 40, he is so majestic…
i couldn’t care less about the summer thing.
Hey! Oliver, A.K.A. free Mirror Strike, is back!
Also, I decided to use some orbs in the Bridal Broom Banner for a last time… and I got Sanaki! Sadly, with bad IVs… but I am ok with it.
Spoilers for Summer Banner.
Picture shows Tana (flying red tome) and Innes (Flying Axe), the other 2 not shown will be Noire (Colorless Bow) and Cordelia (Cavalry Lance).
https://imgur.com/a/JbviqFU
Honestly deflated when spoilers are obtained so early.
>spoilers
>instantly mentions what the spoilers are
disqus has spoiler tags for this specific type of shit you know
Why is Ursula the final map boss?! She’s supposed to be dead, and it was before the final chapter from The Blazing Blade, and the true final boss of that game is the Dragon, not Ursula! This is stupid!
Noire and Tana are the ones I’m mot interested in. That Drive Heavy Blade skill Noire has is quite interesting, and Tana could be an amazing flying mage if her BST is anything like her vanilla self.
Poor Tana should be careful. One more alt and people will start hating her to death and calling her a “thot” and such.
It’s the internet. Everyone is a “thot”, “thicc”, “waifu”, etc.
They probably ready started it to be fair. I imagine Noire will get hatred to for who her mother is. The fan base is pretty dire.
Calling out one part of the fandom for being toxic yet acts toxic towards them.
I’m not going to start a war or anything, but the fandom in general is tired of seeing the same character get multiple alts. Though there are people like in any fandom that are disrespectful towards female characters getting too much attention, there’s an equal amount of those who act toxic in response to their comments.
Who knows? Maybe some of the haters are asexual or female that don’t just see the appeal in the popular female characters. Not that I’d think it excuses such behaviour.
Of course the swinsuit characters would end up with the better skills and probably better stats, while TT units…
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That Innes looks specially delicious, but I prefer Tana since she’s a red mage flier. And the banner will last a whole month, so I’m saving for the legendary.
I feel a bit annoyed because there are three females and only one guy like wtf I want half naked dudes like all the male players want girls. While I think there is nothing wrong with having all these “waifus” I feel like it’s so unfair that there are hardly any fan service of the male characters. There should be two female and two male characters.
I agree with you on this. There shouldn’t be a “there are more male players” excuse. Players of different gender should be treated equally. Trying to overappeal to only one audience and giving meh appeal to another one will risk in female players becoming disillusioned with the game. They’d move onto another gatcha that appreciates their players more and doesn’t try so hard to appeal to one gender
Nigger fcuk are you retards spouting? The female audience doesn’t even make 10% of the playerbase, why the fuck would you favor that small amount over the vast majority?
wow. coming in a little hot. are you by chance using the reddit survey? there aren’t really any official surveys and reddit is just one cmmunity
and it’s a shit one at that. but really, it’s quite funny how the benefits the female units have show exactly what priorities the devs have.
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It’s a weeb phone game about anime tiddy, why the fuck would women, let alone anyone play this garbage?
“The female audience doesn’t even make 10% of the playerbase.” that’s like saying that women in general are not supposed to be gamers. It’s 2018! Where do you get those imaginary numbers? From an anti-feminist gaming site?
“It’s the current year”
I pray to Allah that you were being ironic. Seeing as how you’re a retard, let me put it in simple terms for you. Catering to the minority is bad for business, you imbecile, you lose more than you invest into that catering and that’s why they don’t fucking do it.
Also, women don’t give a shit about video games, only the loser ones do and it is mostly due to the attention.
this thing has started a disussion on reddit where we’re looking at the male vs. female unit thing. Its pretty much equal, but females get put more on special banners and come with better sought after skills/ come fully equipped with skills. To make any guy pretty much viable you have to do some heavy Skill Inheritance. Like look at Swift Sparrow. It only comes on 8 units, all girls. It was okay during the first few months but after the Love Abound Banner things went downhill (LA HECTOR is the last seasonal male unit to basically come fully equipped with skills you mostly want to keep. L.Ryoma basically you need to face-life his skills). More males on GHB and TT, which isn’t a good thing because A) A lot of them turn out to either be mediocre or you need to invest A LOT of SI into them in order to make them viable B) You can merge them much so not much you can do regarding stats C) Some of them just exist for fodder & D) Players who weren’t around during those periods missed out or basically have to wait forever for them to return. So yeah, this game has a major hard on in making the “Waifus” more prevalent.
Know I know their skills, I can say: skippable.
Tana is the only one that interested me. Cordelia is… meh, Noire’s Infantry Rush is great but only one of my units in my infantry team could use it so… meh. Innes is… meh… again.
I would like to get Tana for my Tactic Team, but I can wait to decide. We have the Legendary Banner and the 2nd special banner, so I can wait.
We are completely in agreement, funnily enough. I too am interested in putting Tana on my Tactics team, but I want to wait till late July before I consider pulling. We can at least see what the July calendar has, you know? Plus if you need DC, Hector is back soon too.
Yeah. It’s good to see another player wanting Summer Tana for the Tactic Team. I have L’ Ike (Def), Siegbert (Atk), L’ Lyn (Spd) and Bride Ninian (Res, Def SS), so I would switch Siegbert for Tana and give her Atk Tactic. Also, there is the possibilty of Valentive Hector in the Legendary Banner for DC, since all New Years units already appeared and I am sure we will not have only Xmas Tharja and Xmas Lissa as Seasonal Units, and the Next Legendary Hero will be a green one, so would be the best chance for trying to get the L’ Hero and Hector at the same time.
That’s a good point about Hector. And we know he’ll be on the BHB banner too.
My tactics team is Eirika, L’Arachel, LA!Lilina, and just needed a red mage, and Tana is my favorite FE 8 unit. But I need to make sure my merge projects aren’t on the calendar.
That’s a good Tactic team. I used L’Arachel before Bride Ninian, and she is a good unit. I want a red mage for my team too.
I didn’t get Summer Tana, so I need to go to my others Red Mages: Mage Eirika or Halloween Nowi, both are +Spd -Def. Eirika has more Spd and her Tome works pretty well with Swift Sparrow, but Nowi has better mobility and Res. What do you think is the better opition? I also have Kinshinoka (+Spd -HP), but then I would have 2 archers. And I also have LA!Linina (+Spd -Atk), but I would prefer another color.
Wow… looks like I am lucky with +Spd units…
I would say SM!Eirika only because you don’t have a cavalier on the team, and they are really useful for hit and run tactics. Nowi is better served on a Flier team due to her mobility, but that is just my opinion.
In fact, you could make a separate flier team with Kinshinoka and Nowi as the core. Just throw some F2P fliers like Catria, Est or Michalis in there and with some SI for Goad Fliers you would be set!
Also, Legault got demoted, so maybe try to get him for Atk Tactics instead?
You mean get Legault to use him in the team or get him to pass the skill to another unit?
Sorry, should have clarified, use him as Atk Tactic fodder so you can use Siegbert elsewhere. A 4 star obtainable unit just isn’t as valuable, but that’s just my opinion.
Right. Also, I want to remove Siebert from my team but never thought of killing him for the skill. I will test Eirika in the team.Thanks.
Nice side-view from Noire! Tana & Cordelia sure hits the spot~ Also, Innes be more like InNice.
Maybe I get next time my Micaiah Summer-Banner.
Anyway,it would be a good chance for a fresh blue Bow unit with this banner.
I wish they wouldn’t introduce new characters with alts before they add them regularly. Still waiting for regular Charlotte here.
Same bro. Just give me Charlotte, but make her available at 4* rarity
awakening in general is an alt of fe1/3 so it makes sense I guess
No it isn’t.
sure is. the whole story is an attempt at parody which just ends up insulting to longtime fans
How is the story of a lonesome mage who turned out to be the vessel of a Demon Dragon pitting against a Divine one, an insult to longtime fans? I’m a longtime fan, since the Melee era, and I’ve enjoyed the Awakening storyline just as much as FE3’s storyline. It’s Fates’ storyline that is insulting.
You may just be more tolerant to crap writing than me. FE stories were never amazing, but they were certainly above average in a lot of cases. Awakening is too shallow in its execution and plays out far too much like a comedy.
It really isn’t. Awakening is a giant reference game meant to invoke nostalgia and enjoyment of all the things they loved about Fire Emblem over the years. If anything, Awakening actually praises everyone in Fire Emblem, and had it not been for the references and was its own standalone story, it was actually good.
Furthermore, going by the structure, Awakening resembles FE4 more than FE3, since it ultimately was to lead to the revival of the dark dragon from a vessel, has the main hero die, and the next generation takes over.
Exactly, but it’s the fact that it’s a giant reference game that messes it up. There are several characters that instead of being an example of a certain archetype ends up being a parody of it. They’re a poor comedic takes on the archetype instead of being normal characters that fit into it. I have serious doubts you have played FE1, FE3 or its remake if you don’t notice these things.
And it was the ‘praise of everything Fire Emblem’ that pissed me off the most about the game. It wasn’t content with being a shit story on its own, it also had to drag everything else down with it.
You sound more like someone that hates everything about Awakening and think everything about it is shit. But Awakening, despite being a reference game, managed to actually tell a neat story with lots of potential that was sadly just rushed. Every arc and reference they placed in clearly shows a lot of love towards the franchise and still working to tell a compelling enough story about how the struggle to overcome destiny is difficult.
Just cause you think everything about it is shit doesn’t mean the rest of us do. I for one absolutely loved everything about Awakening, and the characters all have their own unique quirks. In fact, rather than fully obeying an archetype and ultimately being simply a carbon copy that functions in a different environment, I much prefer how they gave every character their unique quirks that gave them much more individuality.
And for the record, yes, I played Shadow Dragon and New Mystery, and no, even then your claim that its a rip off of FE3 doesn’t stand.
So the ‘praise of everything Fire Emblem’ was great and your claim that it’s shit is just a claim, and not fact.
And even if you think it’s great it doesn’t mean everyone does. See how this argument is trash? I do hate a lot of the things Awakening did but it’s not mindless hate. My claims are legit criticism that you cannot simply dismiss with ‘A lot of people like it, therefore it’s good’, before backing up your argument with a claim of your own. It makes you come off as incredibly insular when you call out my argument for something while reinforcing your own with the exact same thing.
I like the FE games that stray from the FE3 formula, but when those differences break the gameplay experience, I’m going to have a problem with it. The gameplay is significantly worse than the games that came before it, and that is more or less objective so I’m not going to bother talking too much about that part. The whole story and setting itself is simply fanservice aimed at the Japanese audience who hold Mystery in high regard, and the mechanics that are brought back in an attempt to tie the series together is executed much worse than their original appearances. It’s just too much of too little and it ends up being a bloated mess which has no real redeeming gameplay features unless grinding is what you live for.
Though, I do find it a bit funny how you praise the quirks of the characters as a positive point when it’s clearly the opposite. For someone who has never played a FE game before and has Awakening as their first game I can see how they would think this is the case, but for people who has been with this series for a long time it should be evident how flat and tropey these characters are. How does a game with a supposed focus on war and tactical gameplay have characters that feel like they grew up doing nothing but watch anime and read twitter posts? I wouldn’t call the older characters amazingly deep but it’s sure as hell much better than whatever Awakening brought to the table. It feels far too bubblegum for what it should’ve been, and that in turn along with the underdeveloped story makes it impossible to take seriously. Again, it ends up being a complete parody. The story had one moment which was sad but which was reversed later anyway because ‘lol everyone has to get laid’.
Awakening was the first FE game I played through all the way, but I played others when I was younger, but didn’t have the patience to handle the permadeath feature. Then as I aged and gained some, I played Awakening since it was new, and that jumped me back into the series and thus I looked at the others.
Again, I don’t understand why you would say this is the FE3 formula, when many features were never in FE3. Unless you are going by the evil sorcerer reviving evil dragon schtick, but seriously, that’s legit every other Fire Emblem game. But this tags multiple other cases as well. You’re gonna have to be more specific about why you are saying this is following the same FE3 formula, cause I honestly don’t understand the logic you are following.
Though there were plenty of fanservice, Awakening still tells its own story. We’ve seen many Fire Emblem characters in the past and there have done the same thing, but here we’ve gotten a much better chance to see and understand the characters. First off, thanks to the much more improved Support system, we got to see so many character interactions that we’d never get to see in other games cause of the retarded “5 Support Max” feature. So we got to see plenty of interactions that were very interesting and made for compelling characters to be better understood.
And there are plenty of characters that have plenty of depth. The entire structure of Lucina’s quest to stop Grima is because her future is in ruins. She loses her battle and has to resort to running away from her world just to create another world that can survive. Everything in the story has actually been structured to make us think we’re making a difference, but we end up not. Whenever there comes a time when we make a choice in the game, regardless of the choice, nothing we do mattered until the last one. The flaws in Awakening that is criticized is generally due to how the overall game and story was rushed, cramming three arcs into one. Yeah, I do not deny that hurt the quality, but even then for what it gave, it was handled very well. They could have done more, but they put in as much time and effort they could in the time they were given, especially one where it was meant to be the last. Had Awakening been the last, it was a nice farewell. But it isn’t, so we have a future, and now we have more criticisms because there are loose ends to be tied.
And I’m assuming you are referring to maybe Emmeryn’s death, which she then comes back from, and even then, that’s not as happy as you think. Emmeryn is nothing but a shell of her former self. She has no memory of her family and she speaks in a broken manner. And she has to really die for her to actually remember. It’s a sick joke if you ask me.
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I was mainly talking about the story and characters. I mean heck, look at the them. As I said, they’re all poor comedic takes on the original games. Cordelia is obsessed with Chrom because lol Catria has a small talking point about being in love with Marth. Kellam is lol invisible lol because early game knights are generally forgettable as units and characters. Lon’qu is lmao gynophobic because Nabarls joins the army because they’re easily swayed or pushed around by females. Frederick is an actual butler haha because Jagens always look out and manage for their lords. Nowi is a half naked loli because lol all the manaketes are cute young girls lol. Gregor is hahah so much older than everyone else because mercenaries are typically older than the rest of the cast. That’s around the point where you also realise the game really tries to follow FE3’s beats incredibly poorly and makes itself feel like a fanfiction.
I have nothing against people enjoying the 3DS FE games but also understand that I can be incredibly harsh against poor game design and writing. I play these games primarily for the gameplay, but even though Awakening has bad gameplay and tried to shift the focus from that to supports and character interaction it still messed that up as well. You say the new support system is good, but is it really? A limit of five supports in the past were a way to incite players into finding the most optimal pairings, while also contributing to what gave the games a ton of replayability. FE games have always been about multiple playthroughs if you didn’t already know. Removing a cap like that would’ve risked making the games imba by allowing people to stack the bonuses. The limited supports also made the conversations be unique and have a bigger importance to character development as it felt like they had an actual purpose. The characters that got together after the game also made finishing it with good pairings feel like an accomplishment, whereas in Awakening it’s an afterthought. The perfect example of supports done right is in FE8 between Duessel and Amelia where she learns about her mother, and that’s not even a romantic support chain. Now compare this to Awakening. You can talk about how the game was made better for having a ton of supports but the fact that every character was capable of hooking up with anyone of the opposing gender made the supports themselves feel really hollow and plastic. The premise that everyone had to get along with everyone else even when it made no sense hurt the whole experience. Why would Tharja hook up with someone else when her whole character trait is being obsessed with Robin? And even if you do get her together with someone else and finish her supports, she goes right back to being obsessed with Robin straight away. The same thing happens with Cordelia as well. Even when the game tries to be more about character interaction the supports are written with no regard to how the gameplay affects them, which renders them completely useless. The fact that Emmeryn came back from death at all only served to show how far the series has fallen, no matter under what circumstances she was brought back under. It just proved where the focus of the game was. The same goes for recruiting the enemy leaders.
Unfortunately, while the story in the game had potential, it fell short, and not only because it tried to do too much. It doesn’t take itself seriously at all which is a terrible thing you can do when dealing with a semi-serious subject matter. Everyone is written like they are in a comedy, and shifting between dramatic scenes and ‘haha what’s the colour of your underwear’ really doesn’t help it in that regard.
Wonder why it vanished? Weird.
First off, Cordelia’s obsession with Chrom isn’t even obsession. Unrequited love has occurred multiple times in other Fire Emblem games. Are those suddenly a parody? Hell, look at Priscilla in FE7, who has multiple endings that end with her being unable to be with the guys she likes. And Lon’qu having gynophobia being a joke with Navarre? Please, at least Lon’qu actually links it to his past that can be explored on through supports, which is far more than Navarre ever gave us even to this day where we know nothing despite how Warriors gave us multiple support conversations with Navarre. Nowi is basically like a Tiki, but then you can legit argue the same about Myrrh and Fae. Nowi is not that unique of a case here, apart from how she dresses. You kidding about Gregor or what? We have not had someone be around Gregor’s age, who is between middle-age and a straight up old man. Least with Gregor’s supports, we see much more of the wisdom and caring side of him than many other mercenaries have.
All those characters you are criticizing actually HAVE more personality than a majority of any of the FE3 cast. And a bunch more FE games beyond that. They have unique and several have relatable circumstances that you find. Yeah, some quirks are there, but you can actually KNOW these characters. Most character in the past are just there or are blocked by numbers, being bases and growths that you bench once they are done.
And yes, the limit of 5 supports in the past was utter shit. Why? Cause there’s nothing optimal in utilizing them once you permanently bench characters. Awakening actually uses supports as it’s structure in the game, allowing many pair ups to not just see supports, but to even utilize in gameplay that allows you to perform multiple combinations. I will grant it that the past support system had a bit more quality in there, while the new one has cases of being in quantity, but at the very least, you won’t end up needing to replay the game over and over and over again to see the supports with others. And yes, the S support thing has criticisms that I will not deny, but even then, some conversations were truly heartfelt and touching that can be appreciated. And the 2nd Gen have a cast of characters that are very lovable like Owain and Inigo, and the case of their quirks is far more justified when you think about how they needed those quirks just to survive their hellish world. The fact they lived through hell without turning edgelords is a miracle, and that deserves praise.
And just cause Tharja is obsessed with Robin doesn’t mean that she is incapable of loving another. I admit why she is obsessed with Robin is a mystery, but a lot of her supports actually shows great things about her. For more info, actually look at Ghast’s Support Science vids. You can also look at one for Cordelia as well.
Like it’s the first time that Fire Emblem brought back a character that died? Ninian died and then she was brought back to life. Frey was supposed to have died in Shadow Dragon, but he lived. Gharnef died and came back a spirit. Oliver was supposed to have died in Path of Radiance, but came back in Radiant Dawn, same as the Black Knight. Like why would Emmeryn somehow surviving be criticized even worse than the others? Cause that’s pretty bullshit if you ask me.
Overall, Awakening has a fantastic cast of characters that still have much potential behind them, and set many things up that should not be changed because they made many positive changes. The story is rushed overall but even despite that, the story is not bad at all, but simply lacking. The writers dived into this with the intention of this being the end of Fire Emblem. If they dived into this again with the intention of making a full story game with this, they can easily make it happen in the future.
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You absolutely can parody that and that’s exactly what they did. There’s also more to their characterisation than what was established in FE1 as well. FE3 and especially and outside material like BS gave them more than just their recruitment and death lines. The reason I brought up those characters is because behaving like a parody of their own archetype instead of primarily being their own character can only bee seen as a negative. I’m not sure why you’re trying to justify those character examples I brought up when you doing so only strengthens my point further. You have to understand that FE stories work best when the settings prop up their characters. The characters themselves can be somewhat bland but as long as they’re doing something that makes sense it’s fine. The Jugdral and Tellius games aren’t exactly character studies but the setting and conflicts are believable. There is never a point in those games where I’m wondering why certain characters are still fighting for their cause. I constantly had that thought when playing Awakening and Fates. The reason Jugdral and Tellius had the best stories was because of their settings, and not because their characters were quirky.
Sure, you may call it personality, but I call it tropes. Literally only tropes, to the point where it’s almost disingenious to call them characters. I won’t need to see those videos because I have a perfectly good understanding how each character works. I could see how Tharja as a character would make sense if she did a Morrigan and got pregnant for other reasons, but that’s not how it plays out. As I said, even when I paired her up with Gaius she goes back to being Robin’s stalker. And regarding Cordelia, the point is not unrequited love. The point is that she still has those feelings for Chrom even after she has an S support with someone else. Same thing with Emmeryn, the point is not that she’s brought back to life, but for what reason she is brought back (literally only to fuck the avatar if male). If you don’t think that’s terrible writing then I don’t know what to tell you.
Honestly speaking, how often does what’s being talked about in Awakening actually matter? This is also why the limited supports in the older game also felt more realistic. You had to keep units together for a long time before you got them to A rank, and once you did they had far more important things to talk about than “Hey, here’s my character quirk, now show me your character quirk” which is effectively what all Awakening supports consist of. To sum up how I feel about supports, quality over quantity.
You must be immune to otaku culture if you cannot see how these characters are worse than the old ones. They can have a a thousand lines of text in each conversation but as long as they don’t talk about anything important, which they don’t, it’s not going to matter. In past games characters spoke less but the things they said were more compelling. All this focus on pointless conversation which is basically just small talk no matter how far into the story you are hurts the overall experience, as you can clearly feel that the story, gameplay and supports are three different aspects that are developed individually, unlike the previous games which had all of these integrated into each other for a more concise and linear experience.
Apparently. XP
Even so, I enjoy this.
This could just be a case of us having different kinds of tastes. What’s good and bad would have to be a case of what’s universally accepted as the norm.
Actually, the argument that they are parody doesn’t work as well because for one thing, we have archetypes. We literally have the same type of character that has the same kind of circumstances, and follow under the same kind of principles. Despite the kind of depth they are seen to have, it’s honestly can be argued the others of the same archetype fall under the exact same conditions.
That actually isn’t, and there are still more to it than that. Also, have you actually LOOKED at Tharja’s endings? There is literally only TWO endings where her obsession with Tharja is actually mentioned, being unpaired and Kellem’s endings. Meaning that in all the other ones, Tharja actually DOES move on and settle with her family. And Cordelia never actually indicates that she’s still in love with Chrom after marrying. Unless of course you are referring to the case of redoing supports where it indicates that she does still love Chrom, but she does make it clear in several S-supports that she moved on, and her endings clearly shows that she has moved on as well. So no, I would argue that you didn’t actually pay any attention to two of these characters that you were trouping just now, and instead just looked and judged that all are the same. Actually look at the videos before making harsh judgments like that. The point of those videos that I mentioned is the case of understanding new perspectives.
Have every supports in the old games actually stuck to the topic at hand with the story? No, it hasn’t. There are many supports that plays absolutely zero role to the story at hand, or has nothing to do with it. Yet we have it nonetheless. The point is to learn more about the characters themselves and understand them. Which you are far more likely to find in Awakening thanks to the removal of the five support restriction.
The supports in the old ones lacked the quantity, while the new ones lack more quality. However, neither is more important than the other, because lacking in one hurts the other. What is needed is more balance.
One of my buddies got me thinking that the amount of colored bow units will be low. They’ll only be colored if they’ve got a legendary bow that has an elemental affinity.
From 40 orbs, I got… A Ayra. Who makes me happy.
I got a Tana, and she is…-Atk…why do I keep getting f***ing -Atk 5*s? This year’s 5* have been a 70% -Atk pull rate for me. Please add an IV fixer IS, I have way too many of these worthless pulls sitting around collecting dust. I thought things were looking up for the last 3 5*s I pulled, but it’s back to the -Atk curse.
Don’t worry, the two male Grimas I have are both -Atk, same with all my normal Reinhardts, normal Ike and Micaiah. Not to mention that -Def +Spd LA Hector.
Oof, that’s rough. I’m still holding onto my bad IV heroes in the hope that eventually they’ll give us a much needed IV adjustment feature.
Yup, I know the feeling. Since the release of the newer bridal banner, I’ve pulled 11 five-star units, of which 6 have been -Atk (B!Ninian, L’Arachel, B!Cordelia, L!Ryoma, Karla, and S!Innes). The +Atk Legault I got ended up being -Spd though,so that wasn’t the exactly a great trade-off either >_<. One of the few consolations was the Deirdre I managed to pull on the BHB banner. This was my third Deirdre, this time finally +Atk/-Def. I had gotten 2 previously, both of which were–you guessed it–also -Atk. She's on my main team, too, so it was nice to finally get that at least!
I didn’t get Summer Tana, which was the unit I wanted for my Tactic Team, so I need to go to my others Red Mages:
Mage Eirika or Halloween Nowi, both are +Spd -Def. The chosen unit will have Atk Tactic.
Eirika has more Spd and her Tome works pretty well with Swift Sparrow, but Nowi has better mobility and Res.
What do you think is the better opition?
I also have Kinshinoka (+Spd -HP), but then I would have 2 archers (I use Legendary Lyn in my Tactic Team). And I also have LA!Linina (+Spd -Atk), but I would prefer another color.
Wow… looks like I am lucky with +Spd units…
This is the first seasonal banner I’ve pulled from mainly because Tana happens to be one of my favourite characters. I thought 184 orbs would be enough to get me at least one copy of her.
All I got was a sword Lyn.
Keep at it! Unluck is always followed by luck (and vice versa).
I kept rolling for Bridal Lyn all week, and while I failed, I pulled 2 Wedding Cordelias at the end back to back. And then Noire on my free summon on this banner.
Maybe so, it just feels as if the game gives you what you don’t want more often than what you do want. It would be nice if you could set at least one colour to appear out of the five orbs during each session, because I went about three in a row without a single red.
Anyway, I’m all out of orbs for now, but the banner is staying around for a while so I might be able to build up some more of them until it’s over. Grats on your Noire btw, would’ve liked that infantry rush.
Why does this article refer to the chaos lady as Nieve when the cipher section of this site refers to her as Niamh? Not really sure what her name is.
Nieve/Niamh does not have an official English name. So think of it something like how people spelled character names from Japanese-only FE games before Heroes gave everything an official spelling/localization. I use “Nieve” because it is the official Japanese “romanji” name for the character as revealed on the FE Cipher site. “Niamh” is the Irish/Gaelic spelling for an Irish female given name pronounced in the same manner (and of which “Nieve” is a common Anglicization). The use of that name comes from bookofholsety, who provides the majority of the English translations for Cipher cards as seen on the official site wiki.
For what it’s worth, both names are pronounced the same, with “Nieve” looking closer to how it sounds when spoken (in Japanese, it’s written as 二―ヴ).
I like Nieve. It means Snow in Spanish.
I expected Reinhardt, but not Siegbert. I got totally screwed in the Thracia banner, and now Rein shares colour again. Oof, better wait for the Legendary.
Ok, how the hell did I get a +Def/-Atk Zelgius as my free summon?
I was expecting Elincia to be in the banner. Maybe she will appear in the June’s Legendary Banner.
omg that art of marth and caeda is so beautifull i need it
Double banner release? Jeez IS, give me some breathing room will ya. Didn’t get any of the focus, but I did finally pull a 4* L’Arachel with good IVs…so I’m pleased.
Oh, boy! Two banners with units whose weapons got powercreeped by the last one! I got pitybroken by Gaius in a legendary, so the only one worth my orbs is Corrin (I don’t have Ninian).
I don’t have any of the colorless units from Ylissean Summer, or any of the green units from Nohrian Summer. Maybe I will try to get them until the end of the time event. I don’t plan to use any of them, expect Summer Elise’s Green Tome Valor.
Late march huh? at least that gives us a decent window!
Cipher Series 9 was the first to have “Shadows of Valentia” units, and it was released in June 22nd, 2 months after Japan’s release date and 1 month after North America’s release date. So we can deduce they will not release Cipher Cards of units who their game have not being released yet.
If Series 16, with Three Houses units, is planned to be released in Late March, I believe Three Houses will be released in late Fabruary (similar to the North America’s release date of Fates) or early March (taking the Kirby’s Star Allies spot next year).
I agree I’m betting that as well!
But what are the people in the Ike V Black Knight image saying? I see everyone looks pissed off except the players, who look bored, but I can’t tell what they’re saying.
massive fe fan? zelda cap? living up to the decept in his name I see
Although this Grand Conquest happens in Valentia, the battles only happen in Zofian territory.
I like to have the opinion from other players, so here I go again: I want to build a infantry green mage, but not Nino. My opitions are: Merric or Soren. Both are + Spd / – Def.
Merric has more HP and Def, his tome has CD reduction, affective against flying units and grants +5 Atk/Spd when near Tome or Staff users, which I have one in my team.
Soren has more Atk, Spd and Res, his tome has Chill Atk and Owl effect.
My others infantry units are Marth, Fjorm and Bride Lyn, and any of my units have field buffs. Only combat buffs.
Merric’s refined tome effect is easier to trigger, but only effect Atk and Spd. Soren’s refined tome effect grants bonus to all 4 stats, but needs more strategy to trigger it in full potencial.
I would like to have the opinion from others players about this situation.
The greatest advantage of Soren is that you can use Wind’s Brand, Fury, and Desperation to let him work as an enemy phase unit first and then utilize Iceberg/Glacies with Desperation to blow the next enemy away. Alongside Fjorm and Marth’s Drives, I feel that Soren is probably the best unless you have a huge flier issues, so long as you can utilize the Owl effect (I have never had this issue, and I run the same build on Owl tome Nino in Tier 20 for reference.) Bride Lyn can even heal Soren when necessary to help him enemy phase better.
Merric is good, don’t get me wrong, but Soren has far better potential as he works on both phases. Chill Atk is just an awesome bonus.
If Soren will be adjacent to all 3 units, he will have + 16 Atk, +13 Spd, +10 Def and +13 Res (from the Owl Effect, Marth’s refined Falchion, Drive Spd and Drive Atk SS, Fjorm’s Drive Atk and Bride Lyn’s Drive Res and support bonus) which is amazing. I am not a huge fan of Fury, but I know it’s very useful.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me. I am going with Soren.
Yay.. it’s Hector… Again…
And he is a armored axe unit… Again…
And he has a Armands variation… Again… (we have more Armands Alts than Marths Alts)
With Distant Counter skill… Again… (Why not in his weapon?)
And we will receive a new Hector in two or three months… Again…
Inb4 someone makes a random obligatory comment on how THEY think no one is complaining about Hector and that they think that people complaining about Camilla Alts are hypocrites (seriously, those comments are a thing each time a new alt comes out), believe me, a good number of people are complaining. Even me, a big time bara-daddy Hector Fan. We didn’t need another version because we’re basically getting his CYL version soon.
Another Hector with another Armads with bad timing. If they make a fourth Armads I don’t know whether to laugh and cry. I knew legendary Hector was inevitable despite me preferring at most 3 alts, but doing it now right before CYL is kind of a bad idea
I’m not against Hector being a Legendary unit….but releasing him a mere 2 months after another Blazing Blade character (Lyn) as well as a couple months before his eventual CYL variant doesn’t quite sit well with me.
They should have saved him for a few months later in my opinion.
You know…maybe this is all just a conspiracy by IS to make everyone hate the popular older characters so that they start liking the newer ones more.
Well, my guess was Eliwood but maybe next time he get another chance.
This is like a Hector month: Boundhero Battle, Legendary Summon and Cipher reveal~
I really want Myrrh – I wasted far too many orbs trying to get her and failing. My green luck is awful.
Here’s to you getting lucky with this banner. The green focus this time around is populated only by good pulls, so at the very least you’ll get something useful.
Wait, hold on. People AREN’T excited about this? Hector is one of my favorites and this art is awesome. He’s basically the defining axe lord, so it would be weird if they had him use a different weapon to me.
People complain about everything everytime. I feel sorry for IS, they try to please the fanbase but it seems that there are complains always. This whole community is getting really ridiculous.
Yeah! They got it rough, honestly. Hector is a fan favorite. He’s not a newer character so the only reason to push him is fanservice. It’s the same for Lyn. There’s literally no reason for us to get multiple versions of her other than she’s a popular character and yet somehow people are complaining we have “too much” Lyn.
You think this is ridiculous? Try looking through the Smash community, we got probably the most exciting game of the year for any Smash fan and a surprising amount of the community were busy being furious Waluigi was still an Assist Trophy.
I’d also like to point out that it’s not necessarily the number of Hector Alts that are the problem, it’s the timing and spacing. Hector won CYL2, so we’re guaranteed to get a new Hector by the end of Summer…so why flood us with Hectors now? The Valentine’s Hector was supposedly already planned out by the time the CYL2 results came in, so it’s excusable, but this Hector could have been held off until some time after we got CYL2 Hector. This way, we would have had Hector hype die down only to get it revived with Legendary Hector. As it is, either this Hector will be almost worthless in a couple months due to the CYL2 Hector coming out and probably being part of a free choice if they do things the same as last time, or this Hector will make almost nobody excited for CYL2 Hector because this Hector makes the other one bad.
Yes, this is ridiculous. Hector won the CYL this year, of course he is going to get a lot of alts, same thing as Lyn. IS knows this and that is why they make these heroes, because they give a lot of money. The main purpose is to make money, just like any other video-game company, and these are the heroes who give them the most profit. As long as they get money, your complains mean very little to them. That is just what reality is, and besides that is just a video-game. Try to enjoy the most of what you can instead of complaining about the little things. Life has so much more problems that we need to focused than a mobile game.
I was gonna try to continue on your claim that the main purpose of the game is to make money, but partway through realized that the claim is flawed. Firstly, the game is inherently free, and can be played without ever spending a single cent. Secondly, adding a new character to an existing game is different from releasing a new product, as the character addition fundamentally alters the game, regardless of whether or not a given individual spends money on it. Third, companies are, to an extent, beholden to their customer base. You can’t sell somebody a luxury that they don’t want. Releasing an undesirable product is contrary to the interests of a company, as it will lead to financial losses.
`Firstly, the game is inherently free, and can be played without ever spending a single cent. `- True but the ones who pay the game are the ones who maintain the game. Without the wales the F2P players would get no content and after a while IS would just stop giving the game content, just like happened with a lot of mobile games. And the most important thing for IS in, in fact, to please the players who are willing to spend a lot of cash in the game.
`Secondly, adding a new character to an existing game is different from releasing a new product, as the character addition fundamentally alters the game, regardless of whether or not a given individual spends money on it`- true but what happens if IS release a non-popular character like Gordin as an alternative version? Do you think people would want to spend money on him? Nope, and as I said without the income IS has very little motivation to support the game. That is why most of the time we get non-popular characters as free units and the ones most desirable are in the banners locked to 5 stars.
`Third, companies are, to an extent, beholden to their customer base. You can’t sell somebody a luxury that they don’t want. Releasing an undesirable product is contrary to the interests of a company, as it will lead to financial losses.`- this is the same thing as I answered in the previous questions. IS wants to make money, that is the solo purpose to continue the game. And to make money they need to please the Majority of the fanbase. You guys who complain about these things think you are the Majority, but the Majority and the important fanbase for IS are the ones who spend a lot of money. And believe me, when I go to tier 20 arena and see those plus 10 bride tharjas, plus 10 legendary lyns, plus 10 Vectors, I know how IS makes so much money with this game. A lot of people complained about Legendary Lyn, I know, but the amount of money that IS earned from that banner was so much that for them it was a sucess.
So that is why I hope IS continues releasing popular characters. They give money to them, and with money more content for all of the players. Alternative versions of Gordin? Nope that would not benefit both the whales, nor IS, nor us in the end.
Technically, a Gordin Alt would benefit IS so long as they made him broken enough to be worth whaling for, something they’re NOT doing with Hector – all the Hectors are almost exactly the same, there’s literally no reason for me to get the new Hector when my OG Hector will be just as viable in a couple months when they let him get the new Armads through Weapon Refinement, just like how I had no reason to go for LA Hector because I knew my OG Hector would just get Berserk Armads anyways and I would be able to make do without the special Skills since I already knew what I wanted out of Hector. If CYL2 Hector is another Green Armor Axe Unit, I’m definitely going to skip him then as well, because I already have OG Hector and don’t need any more Hector in my life.
As for talking about me thinking I’m the Majority when I’m not, I dropped $100 trying for Summer Cordelia because I love Cordelia, and I spent at least $50 when Brave Roy came out because I love Roy. For the most part I’m an F2P kind of guy, but when they put out a character I actually like in a situation I like, then yes, I’m willing to put money into the game, and there are a lot more guys like me out there than you think, and I do know that some of those guys and gals are like that for Hector so please don’t try to use that as an argument against this.
In addition, there are in fact several characters out there(Beaststones anyone?) who are immensely popular and are not in the game, and from what I’ve seen the general opinion of the fanbase is that they’d rather have New Units that aren’t already in the game over Alts of Units we already have like nine times out of ten.
To address your original response to me: ‘Try to enjoy the most of what you can instead of complaining about the little things’ I actually wasn’t complaining about anything – to be honest, I’m happy for Hector fans because they’re getting a chance at recognition – I was trying to let you know where some of the complainers are coming from. I do actually enjoy the most of what I can with this game – I’ve made it my goal to one day have the LV 40 Conversation of every Hero in the entire game, and am genuinely excited for almost every new Unit released as it’s keeping me from getting bored since I always have another LV 40 Conversation to work towards. In addition, Smash Ultimate literally reached back and retroactively fixed everything wrong with the past six months for me and nullifies anything I might have issues with for the next five months, so it’s not like I’d be complaining about this anyways.
“Technically, a Gordin Alt would benefit IS so long as they made him broken enough to be worth whaling for, something they’re NOT doing with Hector – all the Hectors are almost exactly the same, there’s literally no reason for me to get the new Hector when my OG Hector will be just as viable in a couple months when they let him get the new Armads through Weapon Refinement, just like how I had no reason to go for LA Hector because I knew my OG Hector would just get Berserk Armads anyways and I would be able to make do without the special Skills since I already knew what I wanted out of Hector. If CYL2 Hector is another Green Armor Axe Unit, I’m definitely going to skip him then as well, because I already have OG Hector and don’t need any more Hector in my life.” -> maybe some people are willing to get a new Gordin, but most of the people don´t, I am pretty sure most of the people who spend real money would only want one copy of him and stop. To spend real money to get a +10 of him would be a waste to a whale player, since they prefer to do with other units that are more popular. And yeah this is the third Hector, I know people are tired of him being an axe unit, but let’s be real: they needed to release an axe legendary hero at some point, so who is better than Hector, the axe-define lord of the series? And don’t says things like Xander or Camilla because they do not fit this position as well as Hector. And even if some people say they don’t need another axe hector, at this point a lot of whales already have him at +10 merged so it is a win to IS wallet anyway
“As for talking about me thinking I’m the Majority when I’m not, I dropped $100 trying for Summer Cordelia because I love Cordelia, and I spent at least $50 when Brave Roy came out because I love Roy. For the most part I’m an F2P kind of guy, but when they put out a character I actually like in a situation I like, then yes, I’m willing to put money into the game, and there are a lot more guys like me out there than you think, and I do know that some of those guys and gals are like that for Hector so please don’t try to use that as an argument against this.”-> same here, I already spent a lot of money in this game. Just to get Summer Tana I wasted more than 300 dollars since I got pity broken so many times. But the thing is that even if you do not want the new hector, there are lots of people who want him, and theare are people who are going to +10 him. These are the players who give the most amount of money to IS, and they are willing to spend thousands of dollars to get a super merged version of their favorite character. With characters like Lyn, Hector, Ike, Lucina, and others, it is very likely people are going to do that. But with Gordin? Very unlikely.
“In addition, there are in fact several characters out there(Beaststones anyone?) who are immensely popular and are not in the game, and from what I’ve seen the general opinion of the fanbase is that they’d rather have New Units that aren’t already in the game over Alts of Units we already have like nine times out of ten.” -> that is true, that are a lot of beaststones units that people want, including the whales. But so far IS has not implemented the concept of Beaststones into the game yet, so we cannot talk about it with specifics. But I am pretty sure once they get it done the whales are going to spend money on the ones that are popular, such as Selkie, Kaden, Tibarn and others. And soon people are going to complain that we got too many versions of these characters in the future as well when we start to get alts of them.
If you look in the bottom left hand corner when a character is selected, you can see there’s a little sprite of them. Nothing major, but I thought it was cute nontheless.
Are you freaking KIDDING ME?! They still haven’t released Brave Hector, but they’re gonna release Legendary Hector?! And why is he still an Axe Knight with his Armads and his Distant Counter skill like Normal Hector and Valentine’s Hector?! This is stupid, it’s beyond bullcrap! I will NOT waste any of my Orbs on this next Legendary Hero Banner! Besides, I’ve had enough with “Green Hell”, if I can’t summon Gunnthra or Legendary Lyn, why would I bother trying to summon Legendary Hector?! Seriously, what a waste of space Legendary Hector is! To Hell with the Legendary Hero Banners, I’ve been trolled with 3-Star Heroes long enough!
Lol, this fandom will surely whine over everything xD What a life it must be in this unsatisfiable personal bitterness, whoa.
im getting so sick of this among gamers, such toxicity
Of the things the fandom has complained about, this seems perfectly reasonable to complain about. A third armoured axe Hector with Distant Counter, and Armads (albeit a different version), and within only a few months since the last alt… with such a similar kit. Why would you expect people not to complain about something like that?
Alt-related anger aside, i’d like to call out IS for the cowards they are on not giving Hector his FE6 beard. At least make him look a little different lol
*sigh* I like Hector, but, another Armored, Armads wielding Hector? C’mon…
I think Eliwood would be better, the guy is just a nobody on Heroes, and he was supposed to be the Main Lord in Blazing Blade.
Just wait, when CYL hits the scene, we will have Armads Emblem.
Not gonna make the obvious complaint of too many Hectors, but his unique skills are kinda dogshit.
I mean, his weapon skill and C skill don’t mesh with each other. The weapon wants you to be close to your teammates, but the C skill encourages you to have a mixed-movement team, which makes it difficult to actually have your teammates nearby without potentially wasting the teammates’ movement advantage.
With my 60 orbs (including the Hector’s Battle obs), I got… A Legendary Hector! And a really good one! +Def -Spd. Also, his battle was pretty easy… My Tactic Team destroyed hum and his army.
Speaking If Legendary Hero… July’s Hero is Blue (hoping for a tome or archer), August’s Hero will be red orçamento colorless, September’s is blue or colorless and October’s isn’t blue.
Nice, so far I’ve been screwed by a poor IV LA!Roy and L!Ike, the pulls from colorless and reds that I wanted the least. I seriously have enough Ikes, this is my 4th pull so far (none of which have had good IVs) and what I actually wanted was Elise and Tharja, but I guess that’s how the RNG rolls…it reads your mind and gives you the opposite of what you want.
I got LA!Roy too. +Atk -HP.
I am planning to give him a Guard Bow, because I am more a enemy’s phase player than a player’s phase one.
Same here, quite chuffed, but I really wanted Myrrh
Tactic Team? I see you’re a man of culture as well. I pulled two Legaults in his banner just for his skill.
And yes, the only non-gray archer is Lyn and we need something new. I thought the next banner would be about Echoes and have Python as blue archer, but alas.
Tactic Team is something pretty good. Different from the emblem teams, which are focus only in one movement type and can be expose to weakness easily (weapons effective against), Tactic Team have a good variety. My team is:
Vanguard Ike: Ragnell, Reposition, Radiant Aether, Warding Breath, Quick Riposte 3, Def Tactic 3, Distant Def 3 SS;
Mage Eirika: Gleipnir, Reposition, Moonbow, Swift Sparrow 2, Desperation 3, Atk Tactic 3, Res Tactic 3 SS;
Legendary Lyn: Swift Mulagir, Reposition, Luna, Laws of Sacae, Desperation 3, Spd Tactic 3, Spd Smoke 3;
Bride Ninian: Fresh Bouquet (Spd), Dance, Glimmer, Atk/Res 2, Chill Atk 3, Res Tactic 3, Def Tactic 3 SS.
I am thinking to change Eirika’s Moonbow to Glimmer, and Ninian has Bladetome, but I like to use Fresh Bouquet.
The amount of tactics I see has made me use PP on Sheema more to counter it. It has also given my Roro more of a niche with his built in effect, will probably give him windsweep once I get one to pass down.
+def -spd good? I don’t know much but I was under the impression my -def, +spd Hector would be preferable. Let me know if I’m wrong, I’m still learning optimal IVs but I recall pretty much every unit desiring a +spd or atk and my Hector has been an absolute beast.
For me, Hector don’t need speed. Legendary Hector is a Enemy’s phase unit. His Armads stop enemy’s follow-ups, and Vengeful Fighter allows Hector to do follow-ups, so Spd is not important for him. Actually, L’ Hector +Spd is 26, which is not that great.
With a +Def, Hector will reach 44 Def (41+3), which is great. In my opinion, Spd Bane is the best choice for Legendary Hector.
But, of couse, a +Def/-Spd or +Spd/-Def are better than don’t have Legendary Hector, right?
Did a full circle only and grabbed Elise! Very unexpected. Ironically, I pulled a Camilla and Male Corrin right before her XD
Looks like the next LH is Blue. But Ephraim isn’t returning until OCTOBER. That means this new hero will be for July and September, with Fjorm in August. Man poor Ephraim, he got shafted!
We know the next L’ Hero will be blue, because July’s banner have Lyn, Ryoma and Robin. August’s banner will have Fjorm and Gunnthrá, so it can have a red or colorless unit as new hero. In September’s banner we have Ike and Hector, so it can have a blue hero or a colorless hero. Finally, in the October’s banner we know the new hero will not be blue, because Ephraim was confirmed for the banner.
What are my thoughts: August’s banner will have a red unit as new Legendary Hero, with Fjorm, Gunnthrá and Robin being the others L’ Heroes. For September’s banner, I believe will be the time for a new Colorless hero, and the others L’ Heroes will be Ike, Ryoma and July’s blue hero.
Imagine trying to summon LA Lyn in her original banner and getting 3 pity breakers then getting cockblocked on this banner by Morgan, I would have liked Ephraim. I guess it wasn’t meant to be.
That doesn’t look like a Limstella return. RIP.
Finally got that Hector and man he is an absolute unit! Looking forward to his new meta domination.
To Hell with the Legendary Hero Banners, TO HELL WITH THEM ALL! Intelligent Systems trolled me for the last time! SCREW THEM!
Is that Sonya from Gaiden/Shadows of Valentia or Sonia from Blazing Blade? I’m confused because it says Villain side and I know sonya was a villain if you choose her map but the hair looks more like Sonia
Yeah I’m like 100% it’s Sonia not Sonya. The hair, the nails, the eyes. It’s definitely Sonia, one of the antagonists from blazing blade.
You’re correct, I just spelled her name wrong. Thanks for the catch! I’ll fix it now. 🙂
Of course. Completely understandable too. I didn’t play the original gaiden before shadows of Valentia came out so I didn’t even know who sonya was and when I did I started to wonder if Sonia from 7 was spelled the same way. I actually thought it was spelled Sonja in 7 but that’s just me mixing up letters. It gets confusing when they use repeated names for an example Selena. Selena is the mage knight from 8 but also Severa’s name in fates. Whenever I google Sonia it comes up with Sonya. Anyway, thank you for the fix! These cards look incredible. I’m happy I actually have a PoR deck that i got as a gift. The cards art really is incredible
Sonia´s card is purple on the outside if this helps
Yeah I knew the card color depended on the series but of course I didn’t know what color goes with what series which is why I didn’t mention that.
don´t worry about it~
Going with Team Marth. I have all of them, but Marth is the best one in my barracks, and I really like him.
Well, I free summoned a Karla…. nice!
Probably going with Lyon first, then L!Ike if he loses. If both of them go, I’ll gi with Marth, who I see against Ike in the finals.
What’s this? A voting gauntlet with no bad choices?
Ike’s there, though…
Seeing as there aren’t any females on this banner the only source of salt should come from Ike.
I can totally see almost everyone going to Arvis’ side just for the lols and memes considering what happens between him and Sigurd in FE 4. I predict that Sigurd’s gonna lose badly, poor Marth is likely to lose since I’m pretty sure Hardin is way more popular and as for L!Ike/Zelgius and L!Ephraim/Lyon, probably could go either way can’t really say for sure (these are of course guesses at best so it’ll still be up in the air till the Gauntlet starts). Got all but Hardin, Zelgius and Sigurd and considering the new banner has THREE red focus units Sigurd and Zelgius are quite honestly out of range since both can be blocked by Marth and haven’t really decided if I want to try for Hardin since I really want Hector on the current Legendary banner.
That being said I’m probably gonna go with Ike then probably Marth if he wins and Ike loses somehow then after that probably Ephraim if he wins all the way to the finals.
I hope L!Ike looses, preferably early on so I can enjoy the show for longer.
And here I was really hoping they would raise the barracks limit again…
Curious to see how those Tactic Drills turn out, the concept has potential.
Titania’s weapon sounds a lot like a Dragon and Horse effective weapon. Which sounds amazing.
Or it could be a Flier and Horse effective weapon as Draconic could just be referring to flying in the wyvern sense. It wouldn’t be as amazing, but it would still be pretty neat.
Regardless just happy to see her get a Poleaxe. Intsys really does listen to what the community says.
Follow up on her weapon, the Japanese name is 傭兵団の戦斧, which translates to Mercenary Battle Axe. So maybe it’ll still be some kind of “effective vs” weapon, but most likely will be something that more closely relates to her personality or relationship to the Griel Mercenaries.
Nephenicee~
Chapter 13. We better meet Hrid, the last chapter’s ending left a great opening for him to dash in all heroiclike.
Back to back events. IS is makin sure there’s always something for players to do and to avoid dry spells, props.
And the next update is coming near the end of this VG, so we’ll have a new game mode after that too till Summer 2 shows up. Plus a BHB.
Bah, I’ll go for Arvis! I don’t even use him, but he’s a damn great villain and a terrifying boss.
PD: Anyone who support him just to make Sigurd lose and make memes out of it should be burned as well.
It’s getting Hardin here, so hard, so take off all your flags.
I’m voting Hardin just because of his ‘tache. He’s much more fun than that other party pooper who always ruins my green summoning.
I finally got a Summer Tana, but she is +DEF -ATK… I’m crying right now…
Those are the exact IVs I got, it blows big time.
That was summer Corrin’s IVs from last year lol. Don’t worry, if you giver her a Bladetome you won’t notice the lesser Atk.
Yes I got Hector on the free summon, and I got plenty of Shannas from not getting greens so no complaints here. Now who should I give DC to?
I was having problems with Infernal, until I decide to try my Armored Team and… Victory! Legendary Hector, Male Grima, Valentine Lyn and Winter Tharja destroyed the enemy!
Another BHB done thanks to Reinhardt & Lyn~
Wow, this is a really tempting banner, I was saving orbs for the next summer banner, but I could not resist and used my 130 saved orbs, and I end up getting 1 Male Morgan and 3 Mias as five stars.
No way I’m waiting the second special banner, since I still have the free summon of the other one.
The banner is good, they’re all 5* exclusive and I really want Chill Spd for my Soren. But I almost run out of orbs in the legendary.
2 Reds showed up, the free wasn’t anything special (seriously can’t remember) but the 2nd was a +atk/-def Mia, I am very pleased. Still have a good number of orbs on me that are getting saved up for the next summer banner.
I am planning to go to Japan on August, I will attent to Nagoya event. Someone knows how early have to be to get some mercha staff? I dont know how crazy it will be ! 🙂 thanks
The merchandise area opens from 9:30 and lasts till 15:30. So it’s accessible immediately when the event starts. I don’t have first-hand knowledge, but I always hear of play mats selling out. To avoid disappointment, I’d suggest going as early as possible ^^
Oh yeah. If you want the fortune papers/omikuji, they are only available from 11:30 for some reason.
Thank you so much Aveyn! 🙂 I will let you know all about my experience in the event, when I am going back to home ^^
Aw, thought the Nagoya one said July for a second…
I’m just going to be in Japan for about 2 weeks and I leave before the first one even starts…
I might look into if a friend can pick some things up for me maybe.
Time for my girl Camilla to get her summer alt. The one on the right is definitely Camilla…
…now watch as IS pulls a fast one on us and makes that Lyn with a Camilla wig.
All four entries on the banner will be Lyns!
Left looks like Lyn..de. Right reminds me of Camilla from the Beach-DLC. Others could be Azura, Sakura, well you already know what I mean.
But I like Micaiah, it would be interesting if she cover her hand or not.
soren and mist, Easy! lmao if only. its azura and chrom in a wig, obvs
I see Olivia left and Tharja right.
Hope not but meh…
Left is obviously Linde and right is probably Camilla though I hope not lol
Can’t say for the one on the left but the one on the right looks like Ninian. Problem is that both silhouettes look like they both have long hair so its hard to tell.
The banner is in indeed Camilla. The others shown in the reveal trailer are Linde, Young!Tiki and Takumi.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c8093705143e54130cb5ce3765038185040324752d8af4540d6283bcd630463.jpg
I’m so excited about ignoring this banner it’s not even normal. At least there’s another dragon counter… on a dragon. And that Linde should be fun with Scape Route.
Meh, this is a banner I’ll pass on, might try for Camilla ONLY for that Hone Fliers since regular Hinoka never popped up for me and that skill is rare as is. Might try for kid Tiki too because of Dragon Valor. Other than those two gonna pass, seriously IS have a little more verity with the special characters and quite focusing so dang much on Awakening/Fates.
I like Awakening and Fates, but I would love to see more from Shadow Dragon or perhaps the Telius games…I want me some summer Wrys and summer Oliver.
Eh its not so much that I hate them (I don’t actually, just the opposite in that I like them just fine), just annoyed they get so much attention. While I’m not against Wrys being on a Summer banner, I’d rather have seen Marth and Ceada on this banner alongside Linde and K!Tiki and just make it a full on Shadow Dragon Summer banner. No comment on Oliver though. Basically I’d rather these special banners have characters from the same game or at least those of a similar “era” if you will, like they did with the previous Valentines banner. I’m not saying they should put say Hector or Lyn back on another banner as even I can admit that they’ve had their time in the spotlight (not to mention Hector’s gonna be back as a CYL unit) despite being a fan of 7, just saying that the other games could really use more attention like FE 4/5 or even Gaiden/SOV could use more characters in the game since if I’m thinking of the numbers right, they have the fewest characters in the game as is.
I personally am a bit bias for my girl Camilla so I’m not upset about this banner…but I do get the sentiment. I’d like to see other characters outside the typical Awakening/Fates seasonals. I mention Wrys and Oliver in a meme sort of way that would be hilarious if they were included as summer alts.
If I were to choose seriously, I’d like to see a full set from the Telius games with Titania, Shinon, Jill (FE10) and Haar (assuming that Laguz are to be held off until their official addition) or a full set from Sacred Stones. I know we got Tana and Innes, but I’d like to see the whole Gerick mercenaries get put in: Gerick, Marisa, Tethys, and Ewan.
In that we can agree. And while we’re on the subject since you mention Wrys, might as well be a full Elder Advisers Summer banner (since they are seen advising the main Lord on what to do save for Wrys but thats besides the point) with his fellow elders like Marcus (doesn’t matter which one since he’s, at start at least, the oldest member of the army) and Jegain, may as well toss Gunther in there just cause he’s an elder like the other two or Wallace since I do believe he’d be about the same age as Marcus give or take a year or two.
Soooo… Tiki is the only Red Dragon as always? and Camilla only as Flier? Anyway, Dauntless Lance on my Nep looks good~
Is it just me, or did they nerf Camilla’s bewbs?
I think the cannons just look that way because they get to hang loose without much pushing them up. The other three Camillas respectively have form fitting armour, a corset, and an obi that looks really tight.
All those free feathers from the drills are pretty nice and Grandmaster was more fun than I expected. I think I would’ve prefered Ryoma, Hinoka, or Sakura though, because they have less alts in comparison to Camilla and Takumi.
Once again, a new weapon-movement combo stolen by a seasonal unit (Dagger Cavalier)
Hm… I don’t think so… If I am not wrong, there isn’t a normal cavalier who uses daggers that IS could use in Heroes. Maybe if IS decided to use Yukimura and consider the Mechanist’s puppet a horse. I believe there are no flying dagger unit or cavalry dagger unit in the Fire Emblem Games, so no weapon-movement combo had been stolen by a seasonal unit.
What I meant was that, rather than doing something interesting like Yukimura as a mounted Mechanist, they just took the easy route and slapped Linde onto a horse.
I’m just being whiny, tho.
Wasn’t Yukimura literally one of the least popular playable units of Fates though? I don’t exactly think people would be all that hyped about him.
That’s the problem… but when I think about a cavalry dagger unit, Yukimura is the only name that came in my mind.
Although, like Hinoka stealing Reina’s Kinshi Knight place in Heroes, Saizo, Kagero or Kaze can steal Yukimura’s Mechanist place too.
Oh goody, so Tiki’s new attack involves vomiting her dinner.
At least we know where Dory and Marlin went.
Got Wrys as my free summon – aw yeah! Seriously, he should be a swimsuit unit.
With 70 orbs I got Summer Young Tiki and Summer Linde, both +Def/-Res, which for Tiki is ok but for Linde is really bad.
I also got a 4* +Atk Titania, which I am thinking to promote her. As a Tactic skill fan, she looks to be useful in my tactic team
I’ve been hit by a +Def curse, it’s the only explanation. Recently I summoned a +Def -Spd Zelgius, which isn’t all that bad and could be much worse. But I got a -Atk S!Cordelia, -Spd S!Noire and -Hp S!Linde. Guess what? All of them as +Def.
I feel ya, I’ve been cursed with -atk pulls in almost every banner. This one hit me with a -atk Hardin, the last one was a -atk S!Tana, there was then a -atk K!Hinoka. 70% of my 5* pulls this year have been -atk, and I really question how truly random this game’s rng is at times.
They really want to push Flier Emblem this year. Well, I got Flykumi and Hinbowka in my first summon round + my 1 Jeorge since launch 1 and half years later!
Yeah… since January we had a lot of interesting flying units: Summer Takumi, Summer Camilla, Summer Tana, Summer Innes, Spring Kagero, Bride Ninian, Bride Sanaki, Female Morgan, Flying Nino, Kinshinoka, Female Grima, Kinshyoma, Shigure and Myrrh. All of them have something interesting, some more than others of course.
I want to know what do the Order of Heroes think about my drawing! They don’t just tell me to show them what I drew and leave me hanging! COME ON!
Three Heroes are always nice~
We getting another seasonal banner this summer in August? It’s not the CYL banner since “Special” refers to units that aren’t added to the regular summoning pool. So unless this year’s CYL are limited, which I highly doubt, IS is keeping CYL a secret until it’s time and we’re going to get more seasonal alts. Will they be more summer alts or something like the Performance Banner?
I would not mind another Summer-Banner~ Preparing for CYL2, this new special heroes banner must have something cool just to reveal CYL2 afterwards. Maybe Green Bow Midori or Darkmage Micaiah or a TMS#…maybe not yet.
Seeing as the current summer banners feature Shadow Dragon, Sacred Stones, Awakening, and Fates, I think that a hypothetical 3rd summer banner should include Genealogy (since hasn’t gotten alts yet) and the Telius games (only 1 alt discounting Ike). I don’t really have any personal preference who outside of perhaps Titania getting an seasonal alt after what they did to her with Draconic Poleaxe.
I would definitely not want anyone from FE7 getting anymore alts for a while seeing as the game has been quite heavy with FE7 for while now. Come next year, I wouldn’t mind seeing FE7 characters get summer alts, Pent and Louise would be my personal picks.
Some SoV and Binding Blade characters would be nice too, because it’s been a while since we’ve gotten any. As I recall, there haven’t been any of them since the start of Book II barring Fallen Celica and Valentines Roy and Lilina.
But if the canceled Wii entry would be a numbered entry, what about the canceled N64 entry?
Only one New Heroes summing event :/ yikes, guess I’m saving some more orbs then. These alt banners are killing my interest in the game. I will never forgive IS if they don’t add every FE character in to the game because they were too busy spamming alts at us.
Realistically speaking, they can’t add every character. They must stick to the popular/profitable characters and add one or two “niche” favorites for good measure. There are a bunch of forgettable and unremarkable characters in the series, of which only the newest ones might appear in the game if they have “meme status” (like Dorkas).
More login issues, please!
Yahoo, more Masked Marths as merge fodder! 😀 She’ll be +7 after this! ^^
Wow there’s another glitch with resetting battles and the double SP effect. More compensation orbs when /s
Even without the glitch killing all but one enemy on a map then resetting allows you to keep accumulated SP and grind this way if the map is easy enough.
I finally got my Summer Camilla, and she’s neither -atk or -spd, so I am happy right now.
Ugh another Marth? They really need to put the other Tempest Trials characters back in.
Tobin, Clive
The only two I didn’t get
I hope there is another hat as a reward!
Yo Kirie, Tana is also available right now(I should know, I’m still trying for Noire and more Cordelia ignoring the other swimsuits entirely), so it’s all seven summonable Bonus Units.
I want these!!!!
Despite my rant, I did find the duck cute.
Well, at least until I got it, then I just felt it doesn’t really work well as an accessory… :/
Accessories have been a big disappointment so far. Why does IS keep introducing half baked ideas and then dropping them like they don’t exist? It makes me want to rant…
Accessories come one hero per equip, and no dupes so you can never have multiple heroes wearing the same thing(but now enemy armies CAN have duplicate accessories…), there are only like 10 of them and most are underwhelming, being released in a trickle despite the plethora of events to dump them into as prizes.
Colored bows get ONE unit, a character who should never have been a bow unit… and has not been made available since release.
Tempest Trials rereleasing Marth… again…
Grand Conquest just kinda shows up whenever, and hasn’t been used for distributing any interesting exclusive items like Accessories or characters since Kaze, who is now in the summoning pool anyway.
Even the story, which was turning into something interesting with the initial introduction of Book 2, has since devolved into loads of characters we are shown once and then never again who are not playable, has still not reintroduced Zacharias since Book 1 ended in such a way as to make it seem like he never existed, and has now been placed in an annoying seemingly endless rut with its unkillable villain(which is one of the most annoying plot types IMO a person can come up with, certainly when it is done poorly)
Blah… rant over
Fairly easy TT+, and the recently added continuous auto play feature is nice and helps with grinding out the map.
continuous auto play as in when you hit auto battle and you clear the auto battle keeps going? We’ve had that for a long time.
I’d like CYL2 but I’m hesitant to believe it’ll come in this specific direct. Last year, there was specific mention of a CYL-based Feh channel, which they didn’t do for this one.
Chapter 3 and a free Veronica
Did the last one give us anything of note? I honestly don’t remember
Since CYL2 has been deconfirmed by the devs, that means this is Feh Channel is going to focus on changes, new features and the likes.
~My biggest hope is that a large chunk of the 5* exclusives get demoted down to also being 4*.
~It would be nice if they updated the generic refinement pool as well seeing as weapons like the gems, or brave weapons have all been power crept in favor of slayer weapons. I’d also like for the Askr trio to finally get their much needed refinements.
~I initially thought that the CYL2 banner would mark the end of book 2, but my guess now is that it’ll now be the start of book 3. What I think will happen is that Veronica will join Askr at the end of book 2 and I feel like the Askr trio will potentially get weapon refinements, giving them their second wind to defeat Surtr for good.
I don’t know, IF Hector and Takumi get demoted (and thats a big if too) then CC and DC would likely be 5* exclusive to keep whalers and the like from hoarding a whole bunch of them and sticking those two skills on just about everyone. Not saying you’re wrong mind you but just wanted to throw that out there. Personally I’d like regular Lyn to be demoted so I can get my hands on her, been after her for well over a year since game launch and she’s NEVER popped up. Everything else I agree could happen though but we’ll have till tomorrow when the channel goes live.
You’re right; Close Counter is already 5* exclusive, based on the 4* Takumi everyone gets at the start of the game now. Distant Counter would probably be the same way. We’d still get Goad Armor though. 🙂
Hasha no Tsurugi, Warriors, TMS# & Ichi, Ni, Cipher! are possible “new” Heroes for me.
Please, IS, add old TT rewards in the pool. Units like Tobin or Clive could be 3-4 stars, and units like Joshua or Black Knight could be 4-5 stars or 5* exclusive.
Good to know the CYL isn’t on this stream because I’m waiting for that the most. At least my hopes didn’t get raised only to be disappointed later.
This….is a joke, right? Right?
Husbandos are serious business!
In all seriousness, there must be a sizable market for them to publish these. Personally I never expected these, but I wouldn’t mind a fan book for my favourite characters ^^
Almost nothing that is shat out in regards to this series surprises me anymore.
Correction: They placed 30th and 18 among all the series cast, not just the males.
Thanks! Will fix that in a moment : )
The fact that these exist really says something about how big FE has become. In Japan, we haven’t seen this level of popularity since the SNES era…
If they ever publish a book for the imotos I probably will buy them.
If they make books about the YILIESEIAN royal family that’s even more of a go.
It says more about how big the generic jrpg crowd is rather than the series as a whole. FE didn’t suddenly get massively popular because of what the series is renowned for.
Do I need to answer those dissertation questions in Japanese?
Most likely. There aren’t any specific rules but the fan books are being released in Japan. Plus it’s possible the editors don’t know much English.
My thoughts about the FEH Channel content:
– I am happy with this banner. They look good units. My guess for demotion are Sumia or Libra, and I want Olivia (flying dancer) and Mirabelle (staff valor), and a Axe Cavalry unit as GHB? Great!
– A new TT+ where all the rewards are units? Great! I would prefer the unit in the pool, but…
– Forging Bonds looks ok, I new way to get itens, I guess…
About the Askr Trio refinements:
– Alfonse: His refinement is pretty good! Brazen Atk/Def is great! The Triangle Adept effect is bad. I will probably give him a Atk or Spd refinement.
– Sharena: Great refinement! Very useful! Be able to negate any foe’s field bonus is very useful, and Spd/Def Bond will help her.
– Anna: Poor Anna. Her refinement don’t help her in a useful way. She needs some Atk and Def!
Also… Hríd looks amazing! Great desing! I hope to get him soon!
So the updates to the arena doesn’t really address the issues that have been plaguing it since forever. I can see what they’re trying to do but encouraging players to use more bonus units in their offense team, which it does somewhat fix on that front…but the biggest issue is on the defense team side of things as Tier 20 is plague by Armor Emblem teams and lower scores (seen by newcomers) by Horse Emblem.
Out of the 3 Askr refinements, Sharena probably has the most solid one as it can counter Emblem teams that love their Hone/Fortify buffs and the bond skills is nice. Alfonse is next as it basically just makes him a better version of what everyone already builds him as; now you have an open slot A, it could be argued that this makes him better than Sharena due to the stronger niche utility it give him. Anna’s is sadly not very good, the warp ability could be good if she had the power, but her 29Atk just doesn’t sync well with it.
I would say it is a problem
I still use a very well made horse emblem for things besides arena…
Don’t agree with tier lists, Xander is not a B tier… He is easily A+ to S-
I think it’s just because of the stiff competition he faces with so many sword units
probably
Libra Bolt Axe when!? What is this Wo Dao mimic?
I believe its a nod to the fact that when he’s recruited (and actually before that now that I think about it), he’s wielding a Killer Axe.
I was thinking the same thing, just wish they stuck with the axe in literally ALL of his art. I have the same gripe about Azura and her not having the holy lance. A wo dao axe would have worked much better as a weapon refreshment for another unit like Gunter or Arthur or maybe even as a weapon for Vaike (Still cant believe he isnt in the game yet like wtf is going on). Oh well, maybe they’ll inevitably buff him with the bolt axe in a few months when it becomes obvious that his starting skills and stat spread suck.
this game is trying real fucking hard to make me stop playing it
Walhart is finally in the game! Great! As a GHB, so he will probably suck.
Another Aweakening banner, with yet again, a female and male ratio of 3:1 and with another alt in it… And i just wonder who’s gonna be demoted to 4*, hint, he is male even if he looks like a girl. Im happy with Maribelle though.
The only good refinement is for Sharena. IS seriously think that Triangle Adept Weapons is good? Poor Anna, why can’t you have good things?
Loot boxes! Yay! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c8093705143e54130cb5ce3765038185040324752d8af4540d6283bcd630463.jpg
Awakening… What a lame birthday present, but at least they’re all new except Olivia, so no really complaining (Binding Blade deserved it better, though).
And now, how is it that these characters got those arts while Eliwood and Lloyd look stoned?
Happy Birthday!
Lets just be happy that they stopped putting out derp art after Athena and have at least been trying lol. Fingers crossed for updated art soon though. RIP Ogma, Jagen, Raven (his actually isnt that bad but could be way better), Zelgius, Hector, Lonqu and everything Yamada Akihiro and AKIRA touched. Oh and Happy Birthday!
Why thank you.
I actually like Zelgius’. His face colour seems off, but is something I can deal with, being the rest perfect.
Is this the banner that will be used for the Tempest or can I save my orbs?
PD: Clearly, it is Libra who will be downgraded to 4*.
Why clearly Libra?
Cause the waifus never get demoted.
all the Blue Mages I want as 4* (Micaiah, Delthea, Lute, Oliver)
Because Sumia has Close Defense and that lance, Maribelle has Dazzling Staff, and just look at Olivia!
I might be wrong, but they try very hard to keep the good skills at 5*.
All my orbs for Olivia, but she shuns me! It’s performing arts all over again!
It’s safe to stay Hríd will be the August Legendary Hero. Yay! He has a sword!
With Hrid being a sword user, I wonder….. who will the next LH be? We know it’s Blue. A lance wielding Eliwood, Sigurd, Seliph, or Xander? Maybe Light Priestess Micaiah? Or an original character? Hard to tell.
Walhart: The Conquerer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grima, xander, and walhart…
Thanks IS, I no longer need you to add heroes, but you can
So if I don’t summon focus characters I can’t access forging bonds rewards? That sucks.
So, Hríd is Alphonse 2.0.
About the banner. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c8093705143e54130cb5ce3765038185040324752d8af4540d6283bcd630463.jpg
Alolan Alfonse
I’ve been looking for a while now, but I still can’t draw any lines between the two of them. The closest thing I could come up with is that the two share identical poses that are flipped.
Hríd looks really good actually. Also surprised and kinda sad that we got another Awakening banner, but still don’t have Owain. We finally get Sumia though!
I’d guess Owain, despite his popularity on both the homefront (IE, Japan) and amongst the Western fanbase, is probably lower on the list of IS’ priorities since he’s technically already in the game as Odin…the two might be radically different classes, but they are the same character, so that’s my thought as to why we might not have gotten Owain yet. And probably the same reason for why Severa hasn’t shown up yet either.
That makes sense, given that when they did the Warriors Awakening DLC maps, they represented Owain with Odin as if it was the exact same character (I suppose it technically is, but yeah).
IF Azura gets a new Weapon refine for her lance maybe she could get the same effect as Skuld & Urdr with +3 on all stats.
Since Skuld is a sword and Urdr is an axe Verthandi would probably be a lance
Anyone else disappointed with this Feh Channel?
I said it on reddit as well, but I’m both slightly worried yet hopeful about this. On one hand, it could give way to better characterization of characters who weren’t very well shown originally or help give some to ones who don’t have any to begin with. On the other, it could be just another player pandering “you’re so great, smart etc.” thing that Maeda loves. I can only hope it’s the former and not the latter.
This was the easier BHB I played! I Won in my first try in all 3 difficulties. Easy orbs.
So it’s essentially perfectly skippable. I’ll just do one map a day for the orb.
I don’t know… There are more than 15.000 as reward too.
But it’s too slow… I believe IS will chance It in the future.
I just realized this game mode is a big Stamina pot sink. That’s probably what IS was going for with this.
I believe this mode will receive some changes next time. Maybe stamina reduction or gain more heart, because it take so long!
It’s nice for those sitting on a treasure trove of stamina potions though, like I am.
I summoned a Maribelle today, +Res -Spd, but I don’t know if I will use her. I have a +Atk -Def Nanna in my Cavalry Team. I know Maribelle is stronger, but Nanna is a 4*-5* unit, so is easier to get merges (because I doubt Maribelle will be demoted, she will probably continue to be 5*). My Nanna can reach 45 Atk if I give her Slow+/Fear+, and with Atk+3 skill. I will wait until this banner ends. If Maribelle gets demoted, which I doubt, I will invest on her. If not, I will probably keep my Nanna, which I can make +3 already.
I think they should either sprinkle in a couple extra orbs or a LOT of divine dew honestly. I have no problem with the stami
Just letting you know that the rewards for Arena Assaults are actually feathers (1000 for hard at least)
Ope, I knew that, but I only corrected the copy/paste error for Normal, not the other difficulties. Thank you for pointing that out! I’ll get it corrected in the article now. I hope no one is too disappointed.
Bait banner. It seems they wanna dry your orbs before the Legendary Banner comes out.
I’ve been waiting for Rhajat to come back into Focus for long enough that I don’t care at this point. The Legendary Banners are generally not very interesting for me anyways, unless they bring Bridelia back again, which is doubtful.
This is very unfair. So the ones who manage to get to the great summoner tier will get 1 more orb than the previous tiers. This means that the whales will have an advantage in terms of F2P orbs as well compared to F2P players. Before that it did not matter as long as you stayed in tier 18 to get the same amount of orbs, and for a F2P player that was not hard, but now it is not going to be impossible to get up with them.
This is very unfair. So the ones who manage to get to the great summoner tier will get 1 more orb than the previous tiers. This means that the whales will have an advantage in terms of F2P orbs as well compared to F2P players. Before that it did not matter as long as you stayed in tier 18 to get the same amount of orbs, and for a F2P player that was not hard, but now it is not going to be impossible to keep up with them.
The skills set thing is something I’ve been wanting for a while. If I understand correctly you can give one unit in a different team something like Quick Reposte and swap around in chain challenges.
Why did they not add the ability to stay within Tier 18 and 19 but they did for Tier 20? I’ve been going back and forth between 19 and 18 every week because I’m barely unable to make Tier 20; it made no sense then and it makes even less sense now.
I finally did it. Definitely one of the if not the most difficult GHB maps. That’s most likely due to reinforcements appearing everywhere. The debuff theme was neat though if a bit annoying
It’s only difficult until you realise that you can influence the reinforcements through killing mages or not. Due to that aspect, Lunatic took me more tries than Infernal since it was hard to hold back killing them both in one turn.
Some nice changes, I basically stopped playing the Grand Conquests because I don’t have a lot of time to play so it’s a bummer to have long maps where I don’t get any experience/SP.
Well I take it the dislike to like ratio on YouTube is a pretty good indicator that not a single person wants this. Come on IS, stop milking Lucina, Lyn and Camilla and just give us some interesting legendary heroes. I mean Hector and Lyn get one but not Eliwood? Nice try but I’m saving orbs AGAIN and I’m losing even more interest in the game with every crappy Alt banner.
It’s not just the never ending parade of alts, but that we get yet another goof of a character instead of their proper endgame form. Hector hasn’t had a single variant not use Armads and we will likely get Brave Armads Hector as well, which is flat out stupid, but here on the other side why would anyone want Bow versions of legendary sword fighter heroes? Lyn and Lucina have enough goofy alts, give them proper legendary forms if you are gonna spam us with them anyway. Because really, so many alts keep the color type of their previous versions: Lucina has only ever been Blue or Red, Nino was kept Green, I already mentioned Hector. There are more bow versions of Lyn than Sword, and more Blue Lucina than Red. They aren’t making every alt different in an interesting enough way half the time for it to be an excuse to make awkward legendary forms out of them.
AND she is a colored Bow, the stupidest addition to the game aside from the endless alts… really, when you think about some of this it also kinda feels like they made colored bows specifically to turn Sword legendary heroes into different colors, while also making legendary heroes with physical range and no distant counter, since only legendary heroes have colored bows and they have been trickling out even slower than original character reps have been.
Yeah, it’s like they’re scared of innovation. Soon or later, characters like Devdan, Moulder, Boah, Vyland (and a lot more of useless SD units) should appear. If it wasn’t for LLyn’s Tactic I wouldn’t even try this.
I think they added colored archers because they wanted variation instead of making them all colorless. Again, it’s like having blue swords because it’s the most common weapon in the franchise. Stupid, indeed.
You are wrong dude. There are a bunch of people who are also excited about this. Actually everyone should know that Lucina would get a legendary alt someday. And the thing here is the same with the Leg Lyn banner. Even if a lot of people dislike it, in the end so many people are going to spend money because of these characters that for IS it is going to be a win anyway.
This was to be expected, I suppose. Chrom and Lucina both have the same number of variants but the latter is more popular, and female Robin already has a Legendary variant so one for male Robin would’ve been redundant, and nobody else in Awakening is appropriate for the spot of Legendary Hero. If I manage to get her, hopefully she sees more use than Legendary Lyn.
Should’ve been Priam.
Priam should have never existed.
Lucina is my favorite Fire Emblem character and I’m excited about this.
If her blessing only was Water, she would be sooo Blue~ And finally Lucina Emblem (I don´t count Masked Marth this time (°w°)
This could potentially make Alm an Legendary Red Bow Unit, because that´s what happen to Swordunits right now.
Anyway, I want a new Hero banner with Greil, Elena, Sephiran and Zelgius + Ashnard GHB~
Oof, that dislike ratio. I’m not really interested in L!Lucina, but I would like either an Azura who isn’t -atk, an Ishtar who isn’t -spd, or a NY!Camila to +. If I do get a L!Lucina, depending on her IVs, I’ll probably just fodder her off for Drive DD.
Well Lucina is one of my favorite characters in the series so it’s nice she has another alt. I don’t have many orbs left though since I’ve spent most of them on the Ylissean Visitors banner trying to get Sumia. Oh well, maybe another time…but then again, I don’t play Heroes as much as I used to.
P.S. I don’t care about the like/dislike ratio I see on the YouTube video. As a matter of fact, I don’t speak for anyone.
140 orbs and I got 2 Ishtar sniping Blues. Wanted Lucina but the results weren’t bad. Now to wait until November for my next chance. Ouch.
Yeah… Me too. I got 2 Ishtars (at least I got a +Atk/-Def) and a Winter Lissa when no blues appeared. Let’s wait until november.
CYL is near, and… Although people want Hríd as Legendary Hero as soon as possible, having him before CYL will be a wrong move from IS… I will keep all my August orbs for CYL.
100 Orbs and 1 Robin which is my first one. Only want Lissa from this Banner.
At least I got 1 Hinata after almost half year later~
I won’t be summoning on this banner because CYL, but I wish all of you luck in your summons
“When I pull my first 5*, I quit”.
(Keeps summoning 3* garbage).
Any space for me in that boat?
At least I can get Tobin and Clive into my collection since I miss those 2 lol
I completely forgot we would be getting quests too. Nice, more orbs to try and get Lucina with. Or, you know, the 4th Ishtar I just summoned XD
RIP 400+ orbs
Similar thing happened to me. >.< 3 Azura and 2 Ishtar before Lucina finally came home.
Oh man, may I ask how many orbs that took you? I managed to get a Winter Lissa too on an off pull, so I have some great fodder out of it, but I semi-whaled and I would love just one copy of Lucy lmao.
November is too far away for my sanity, but at this point a pitybreak Azura isn’t worth the cash, especially when I already have one.
I think I spent about 250 Orbs in all. One of the Ishtar’s was actually my free summon. Most of those were saved Orbs, though I did give in and buy a €21 pack.
Oh goodness, you did get some serious 5* luck then, that averages a 5* in less than every 50 orbs XD
I’m just throwing what remaining orbs I have left at her, but I know it won’t be enough. Just have to save until November!
2 Brave Lyns and 2 Ryomas before Lucina
I have all the Heroes from those Banners, except Sanaki, Jaffar, Elincia, Delthea, and Karel! But, uh-uh, I refuse to get trolled with 3-Star Heroes or 5-Star Pity Breakers again, I’m NOT falling for that BS!
I find it funny how Anna talks about them going to Valentia like it’s entirely new despite the fact that Grant Conquests has done Valentia before.
Maybe it´s because there are no other Anna´s in Valentia to guide them
Anna x Celica support conversation in Warriors mentioned it, and it’s very interesting… about Anna surprised that there are no Annas in Valentia and Celica surprised to know there are a lot of Annas.
My free summons for the daily banners:
Weapon Triangle: 3* Roy
Vantage: 3* Fir
Fury:
Hone Atk:
Quick Riposte:
Life and Death:
Blade Skills:
Threaten Def:
Death Blow:
Threaten Spd:
Flier Boost Skills:
Death Blow 2:
Powerful Specials:
Weapons to Refine:
Weapons to Refine 2:
Good idea! I’m gonna do the same. I’ll put my free summons and one of the focus if I pull someone.
Weapon Triangle: 4* Shanna (Desperation).
Vantage: 3* Peri (trash, not even fodder).
Fury: Eldigan (yeah, a decent -Def +Atk one).
Wow! The last time I got a Shanna was months ago. I need some Desperation…
I was getting really underwhelming pulls on the first 4, but then I got a 5* Nino on the Hone Atk; neutral IVs, but that doesn’t matter since she was immediately merged into my +Spd/-Res to get to +2.
I’m surprised I got Leo as my Free summon in the Hone Atk banner, since his banner is tomorrow.
It’ll be twice as surprising if you pull Sanaki on tomorrow’s free pull.
It would make me happy, since I didn’t get a Sanaki yet…
There’s no way I’m completing the Wrys quests, that old coot Wrys is weak and useless!
That were some annoying quests! The Lv 20 foes is easy, but for the Lv 35 foes I needed to use a team which the main objective were to boost Wrys stats (Marth with refined Falchion, drive skills and Tactic skills)
I got the orb from the “Win the Grand Hero Battle against Takumi: Empty Vessel with Fjorm on your team.” quest by beating this GHB on the easier difficulty, and that’s the only orb I will get.
Also, the unit reward is a 3* Fallen Takumi and not a 3* Oliver. Although, I would prefer a Oliver for the Mirror Strike…
This is exciting, I haven’t managed to pull a 3* Wrys yet.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true. Abel is in the game since the game launch, and my first Abel was early this year, after the game 1 year anniversary.
Looks like Ryoma and Xander to me. And I think a Japanese summer festival theme is likely. At least Xander’s silhouette looks like it.
Agreed, It kinda looks like he has a pingpong paddle in his hand. Ryoma also looks like he has a paddle and is damaged, so therefore the inferior pingpong player… So this could possibly be a hot springs banner?
Turns out they’re both holding fans 🙂
My free summons for the daily banners:
Weapon Triangle: 3* Roy
Vantage: 3* Fir
Fury: 4* Sothe
Hone Atk: 5* Leo (+Res/-Def). I don’t know if I will use him or give QR to someone else.
Quick Riposte: 3* Hinata
Life and Death: 4* Saizo
Blade Skills:
Threaten Def:
Death Blow:
Threaten Spd:
Flier Boost Skills:
Death Blow 2:
Powerful Specials:
Weapons to Refine:
Weapons to Refine 2:
Definitely Ryoma and Xander.
Welp, got male Grima on the first pull.
congrats man! I am going to green snipe cause my dream is to have him +10… so 7 to go!
Do they play Ping-Pong together?
It´s like they want Charas, who have alts already, have a full [Unit name here]-Emblem team. Or it seems to me they have a higher priority about other units.
Micaiah and Elincia look great, I’m very pleased with their art. Though I have to say, IS has lost me on what counts as a rejuvenating dance. Because Xander, what you just did there was far from rejuvenating.
Though I do crack up when I see it each time.
https://imgur.com/ebhWyCy
The Xander Shuffle is the strongest of all dances.
lol, they all look amazing.
Who needed colored daggers though…
Well I have 560 orbs soon to be 0 because I want all of these…
Whoa, Elincia!
This is a interesting banner, and I am happy this is a 1 month banner, so I will probably wait until late August to decide if I will pull or not.
Xander will probably have high Atk and Def but poor Spd and Res. Elincia looks great! I am not a huge fan of Push skills. The perfect weapons for this type of skills are the 2017’s spring weapons. I would prefer Fire Storm Dance too. Ryoma with a blue dagger strong against armored foes, TA 3 and Chill Def will be the bane of red armored units. Micaiah looks amazing too, and her skill set is great too. She is all about RES.
My priority will be Elincia and Ryoma, because the new weapon type, but all four are really good units. But I will wait until late August… CYL is coming…
Also… can we expect colored staff too? A colored staff unit would be perfect as Legendary Hero!
Suddenly, just as many colored dagger users as colored bows. That was faster than I espected. Well, they did change the effect of Daggerbreaker with the Colorless dragon update.
Strange is with Micaiahs arrival, that all my orbs are gone for good.
Also I like her cheeky grin, it reminds me of that from Reinhardt as he became the Meta.
Was it just me, or did it sound like Chrom wasn’t voiced by Matthew Mercer?
It’s just you, misguided child, Chrom is still voices by Matthew Mercer. Why don’t you fix your brain a little?
Because I don’t have a brain repair garage nearby.
That’s your loss. Serves you right for being a mindless kid who doesn’t know any better.
Yeah, it’s a hard life, but someone gotta live it.
Or die as you live, like a dummy.
*sadface*
Okay, I made that last comment too dark. Delete!
Didn’t think you had a limit 😛
You’re still the one to blame for not knowing any better, kiddo. Go back to your pre-school, this website isn’t a place for you. Ha ha.
I’ll pretend those “kiddo”-comments gets under my skin: I think I know your age, and you’re in no position to call me ” kiddo”, sir 😛
Oh, by the way, you’re blocked. You lose. Ha ha ha ha. Good riddance.
Should’ve been Alm.
Celica as Robin Echoe FIghter? She will not have the limit uses for tomes and sword, but her attacks will do less damage.
At this point, I don’t believe Smash Ultimate will have another Fire Emblem fighter… unless DLC happens.
that, or make her pichu-esque. though I’d prefer a full on mage in that case. I’m also not ruling out a FE16 rep just yet, I mean heck, FE6 had a year left until release when melee first came out.
We have enough Lords in this Smash game, kiddo. Alm is just not popular enough to join Smash.
That’s rich. Smash has already made Roy out to be some important character when he isn’t. Alm may not be popular enough but at least he’s a more interesting addition than Chrom.
Too bad for you, kiddo, Sakurai is done adding any more Fire Emblem characters. Chrom is where Sakurai draws the line, 7 swordfighters from the FE series is more than enough, 8 is too many, so your “Alm” request is rejected, kiddo. Ha ha.
You know, it’s possible to get your point across without namecalling.
Besides, I’m not even saying that Alm should be included alongside Chrom. However, I do think there is a very good possibility of a FE16 character being added, either in the base game or as DLC, in order to hype up the release of their game.
You call people “kiddos” and still believe Sakurai, like the Easter Bunny, is in complete charge of who’s added to the roster? He obviously had to add corrin for promotional reasons and there’s no way to know where whoever’s in charge will draw the line.
Either that or he has poor taste in regards to FE. lol
Also Pebbicle wanted Alm INSTEAD of this FE13 weenie.
Ah, but Sakurai IS in charge of who’s added to the roster, he created the Super Smash Bros. series, it’s his decision, not yours, and when he says goes. Which is why Chrom, the last sword fighter from the FE franchise, is where Sakurai draws the line.
Also, that’s your gay friend’s loss for whining and begging for Alm, the other sword fighter, and the non-popular one at that, to be added in Smash, when clearly, Chrom was chosen instead. In fact, that’s your loss too. Ha ha.
Lol, clearly you’re a little angry because some people don’t like your boyfriend Chrom, so I will forgive you for that.
Sakurai is not really in charge, there’s a whole team behind Smash Bros making decisions.
I WISH they had drawn the line after adding Lucina but there’s no way of knowing when they’ll stop adding bad FE reps.
Joke’s on you, Chrom is a fictional character, so a fictional character can’t be my “boyfriend”. You and your gay kind are just butthurt because Sakurai chose Chrom over Alm. You were always whining and complaining like a butthurt gay face.
And yes, Sakurai is definitely in charge, he tells his team what to do. He makes decisions on what to add, and then he tells his team to do the work. Sakurai is like “I want Chrom to be Roy’s Echo Fighter”, and then his team is like “Yes sir!”. In other words, adding the most popular characters such as Robin, Lucina, and Chrom was Sakurai’s idea, not his team. And this is as far as they go, 8 FE reps are too many, so your “Alm” request has been rejected by Sakurai. You lose, gay troll. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh, I’m just laughing my ass off over you preaching this ridiculous speech acting like a 13-year-old edgelord.
You’re a reeeal winner, you know, lol.
Have a nice day. 😀
You’re gonna puss out already? Ha ha ha ha ha ha, I always knew that I’m right and you would give up and cry, like a sissy little toddler you are, because I don’t see you making a better speech of your own, as you’re too scared to do so.
Buh-bye, butthurt troll. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, victory is mine.
I wonder if he will help with Robins Final Smash or Robin get some Grima Final Smash.
Grima Final Smash would be pretty dope.
Give me the Grima final smash please!!!!!!!!!!!
They keep spamming Awakening even in non-FE games. Honestly, I’m more hyped about the killing edge: killer weapons were the thing that could make a random mook an actual threat.
I love Xander’s Awa dance
As a dedicated RoyBoy, I’ve gotta point out that Roy’s Side Special isn’t actually the Dancing Blade, it’s the Double Edge Dance. Not trying to sound nitpicky, but…Roy.
The lamest announcement this direct.
Your loss, butthurt child. Ha ha ha ha.
I ma not sure if I got better units, or I got better in the game, or the maps are easier, but Squad Assault is not a challenge anymore…
Say you got better in the game, this boost your self-confidence~
I did pull good units like Reinhardt-sama and Nino-san, so I´m happy about this!
That was not aether.
I’m happy that I got Xander within 2 summon sessions but…-atk/+spd? And thus my -atk train continues, choo-choo!
I got two Leos. TWO LEOS. I could have been pitybroken by anyone else, but no: a -atk Leo and a -def Leo. I haven’t even played Fates and I already hate him. The little fucker.
Off, that’s rough man…at least you have 2 QR3 fodders readily available.
The funny thing is he already ruined me the Thracia banner.
I got Female Kana when I was trying to get on of the green units in the Nohrian Summer banner, and now I got Female Kana again in this banner. I HATE HER SO MUCH!
200 Orbs for Zelgius and Dancing Samurai, not what I wanted but my hope will never die for Micaiah!
Update: got her with my last possible summon before my Orbs are gone for good again with Gray which is too my first one.
Atk+Hp- is she btw~
This paralogue was actually a treat. Nice comparisons between Fates and Radiant Dawn, I never saw some of it that way. I loved Micaiah and Xander’s convo as well, especially. Nice Part 4 gesture. And sounds like Loki is trying to serve up some Revelations stuff for us. Perhaps Omega Yato Corrin will be the next LH?
One thing did bug me though. This Elincia is from FE10, but she is still called “princess”. Is this a translation error, or what? She should be called Queen Elincia, no? That happened in FE9, even before 10.
You are right with this, she should be a queen but I think she is on the same level as a princess like Xander and Ryoma as Crown Prince and High Prince, so they don´t went extreme formal mode.
Another option for legendary Hero would be Whisper Sothe, as green Dagger unit and Baselard and he would be so green like Lyndis~ but maybe next year, because Wind element + speed boon has Lucina already.
So after 585 orbs I got Elincia and Xander the two I wanted most. I also got 6 5* I didn’t have and 3 4* I didn’t have and another normal Micaiah. I now have zero orbs and will save up for Micaiah and Ryoma.
My free summons for the daily banners:
Weapon Triangle: 3* Roy
Vantage: 3* Fir
Fury: 4* Sothe
Hone Atk: 5* Leo (+Res/-Def). I don’t know if I will use him or give QR to someone else.
Quick Riposte: 3* Hinata
Life and Death: 4* Saizo
Blade Skills: 4* Frederick
Threaten Def: 4* Oboro
Death Blow: 3* Olivia
Threaten Spd: 3* Clarisse
Flier Boost Skills:
Death Blow 2:
Powerful Specials:
Weapons to Refine:
Weapons to Refine 2:
I guess Chrom finally got his chance.
It has been so long since my BK stepped into battlefield… Now, let’s get back to murder. Glad Tobin and Clive returned: when they came I could barely complete those final maps.
I free pulled a Hinoka today, that was a surprise! +Hp – Res. This was my second 5* free summon on these rotating banners, and my third Hinoka. Can’t complain!
A free M!Grima on the Flier banner? Dope…I’m at 2 free 5* pulls.
RIP Arden for being outshone by the Reward one Unit before him. Why would you use Arden when you have Black Knight?
Yune just wanna have fun~
Finally time to use my 2 Micaiah Sisters into action~
The new arena can be stupidly broken if utilized to maximum
Between the new update and my first time with a 5* that is above +5, arena got a whole lot easier (currently tier 19 looking pretty solid to move into tier 20)
This must be the Tempest Trial to end all Tempest Trials, because it has all of the final maps from the previous Tempest Trials!
for Q1 i keep counting 20. i watched the hints over a a dozen times, should i just put 17, sinces its the closest. or am i missing something?
Wrong answer. I counted them right. The answer for the first question is 27.
Think about it this way: If you count at least 20, then it has to be more than 17, yes? I counted I think 24 myself. But 27 is indeed the correct answer, and when I voted, it was currently sitting at ~80% of the responses.
that’s how many I saw
27, top left are the veiled ones to count and 1 Fjorm booty~
Yay! More news and an ETA! Wooo!
Really wish this could be a 3DS E-shop game or something. I would play the heck out of this on that. Never been the biggest fan of computer games.
FINALLY! 😀
Will this be coming to any other system? I have steam, but I would prefer to play it on a console or hand held system.
I really hope Ainelia is a dancer, the maps seem huge and we need a dancer to help us along.
Will the sequel and side story be released later on as well? How about the OST? Has Mr. Kaga displayed any interest in returning to the commercial scene (as opposed to just personal leisure projects) during being approached by Dangen? I know, it’s most definitely my own wishful thinking but still want to ask anyway:) Thanks.
Welp, they said that they’d release it this Summer so the demo kinda counts, I guess. I’m not at all angry or anything. It’s better if the they add polish than to release an unrefined translation
What made Dangen decide to translate Vestaria saga of all games? We’re they approached by Vestaria project or vice versa? And what was the conversation between them like? Also thank you very much for doing so!
Sadly, the EXP/SP boost already ended…
I haven’t tried it yet, but thanks for the tips! I’m of the type who actually reads the instruction book, at least when games had it.
If I use the Switch pro controller, am I playing FE Switch before anyone?
It SHOULD have been Camilla…
Outside of the Top 2 is where she belongs. Infinitely more characters more deserving than her.
Disagree with that.
While I too dislike Camilla, once she wins at least she can’t win again. It will happen someday, so let’s just get her alt out of the way. At least the Arena will be filled with her after CYL 3, so you can swat as many Camillas as you like then lol
Fuck you, lolicon.
Next poll for sure she got this!
Camilla only lost the CYL 2 to Veronica because IS decided to show us the current votes in the middle of the event. Once I saw Veronica was in the top 4, I started to vote for her and a lot of people did the same. Camilla lost because the players wanted Veronica as playable unit, different from Marth that lost because there were two versions of him in the event. If Marth had only one version to be chose, he would probably get 2nd place. If there is a character that shouldn’t be in the CYL, this character is Ephraim.
I understand your feelings, but for different reasons…
And that’s exactly why you’re part of the problem. Thanks for nothing.
You’re welcome.
Last CYL special outfits where based on their fathers. Maybe this time on persons they deeply trust/love, but when I think about that, then everyone would be a Sword Unit Σ(¯皿¯
Going with your idea of “on persons they deeply trust/love”…
Hector could be based on his daughter, and be a armored mage.
Celica could be based on her mother, and be a staff user.
Veronica could be based on her brother and be a cavalry mage.
Ephraim could be based on his sister, and be a sword unit.
If we consider Hector as a green mage, and Veronica as a blue mage, we have all 4 colors.
Ephraim could also be based on his father, and be a axe unit.
Your idea sounds cool~, I was fixed on Eliwood, Alm, Xander & Eirika.
It´s not like there was a Falchion-Banner with 4 Fokusunits.
Well… I got Ephraim and Veronica right, although she uses a staff instead of a tome.
This is a great idea
The Ideas me and a friend have come up go
Celica being a Lance Cavalier based of Conrad, Blessed Lance weapon or maybe Mila’s Turnwheel as a skill/assist.
Veronica me and a friend are kinda set on been Xander related so Sword or Red tome.
Ephraim we want to be the axe unit and been based of Duessel using Garm, thus having his link to Grado and Lyon
And Hector…doing something Hecotr related….perhaps he’ll just steal a Lyn Alt and be a Armoured bow using Mulagir
I liked your idea for Celica, but I would chance the weapon (the name, not the type). I still believe Azura will receive a exclusive weapon someday and it will be the Blessed Lance.
So much Micaiah content! Two banners with her to become an ally & BHB with TT+ where she is our enemy.
If there’s a free unit I want Veronica! I know Hector will be the most useful but I don’t care!
I’m getting a free Brave Celica, I have no use for an evil princess such as Brave Veronica who is in 2nd place!
Oh boy! Here comes our 4th Armads alt lol!
OH-HO
C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
Infernal on this one is pretty easy to beat because Micaiah practically commits suicide when you’ve got Fallen Takumi on the third starting position and everyone else was easy picking afterwards barring the possible exception of Sothe who should still be missing 10 HP since Micaiah attacks after healing the Blue Lance. It always feels refreshing to beat a GHB so quickly.
Today is a weird day for them to make this announcement since we have new heroes coming out tomorrow. Unless…
Hmm, sorta disappointed they didn’t discuss the VG since the one last year was the most enjoyable one IMO. Hope this one is a CYL 1 and 2 face-off.
Not interested in summoning, though I will take Ephraim for free. He looks pretty cool, and he’ll pair well with Tana on a new team I can make.
Best voting gauntlet was Camilla vs Ike
after the upset of lyn losing last second it brought the community together to stop the evil women (I am not a Camilla hater, I just was salty cause I voted lyn but it was such a good finale) and we cannot forget male grima winning his gauntlet 🙂
I am going with Veronica. She looks to be a really good unit.
Can´t wait for them to pitybreak me~
Maybe next time we get a Brave Flier Hero like Camilla or Tharja.
But my votes go to Micaiah again~
Veronica is going to be the best guaranteed cause she has loli power.
In all seriousness, Veronica looks like she might be a new F2P essential: she’s mounted like B!Lyn, she has both Wrathful and Dazzling, she’s has the dagger effect, and she’s a healer, that’s 3 roles combined into one unit. Hector is definitely going to be better for arena scoring though…being armored and all.
Sadly though, Ephraim is going to be the least good/useful one as he has way too much competition with other top tier axes like Amelia and 3 Hectors. Likewise Celica is going to have a lot of competition with Ayra and Karla….also, Celica’s DB4 is underwhelming for a 1st place exclusive skill (unless she has a yet unseen exclusive). It’s by no means bad, but definitely kind of lame compared to what Hector has. I might not really like Celica, but I feel they may have done her fans wrong.
Veronica is amazing, because she works pretty well in Horse Emblem Teams if you combo Windfire Balm+ with Fortify Cavalry, and she also works in mixed teams, if you combo Windfire Balm+ with Def Tactic C-skill and Res Tactic Seal (or vice-versa).
Yes, she´s so good already, but my Elise and Nanna (or more like NANI!) wouldn´t be happy about it.
But a Cavalry Healer Emblem Team sound cute and scary as well~
according to the trailer, she has a Double Lion B-Skill
Seems like that’s her exclusive then, but odd they opted to instead show off DB4. Question now is, what does it exactly do? From the language of the text and combination with DB4, my guess is that it’s a brave effect. If that’s the case, damn, she might actually be nasty…plus, I’m scared to see all the Reinhardts with DB4 if it can be inherited.
Looking at her Kit, she´s here to Quad attack the Enemy, her Sword grants special cooldown per! attack so she can Quad Galeforce, which is nice
150 Orbs, 1 Original Hector. I do not even count him as Pity Breaker. Interesting is what Veronica said in Paralogue 24-3, which makes me happy~
My -Atk streak continues with Veronica…keep it comin’ IS
Got the new Hector from the free summon, so I guess I’ll just go for Veronica then as my pick.
Veronica ended up being my free summon after I had already picked her as my freebie, so it was a pleasant surprise to get two copies of her within the span of a minute. If it weren’t for the fact that I’m saving up in FGO, I’d buy some orbs to try for the other 3 as well.
Using her is a blast and I believe she’ll be well on her way to displacing Elise as my favourite mounted healer.
Ok I’m really bad with this stuff. I tried downloading Wine and Winebottler and tried opening Steam thru that. Eventually it worked but the store didn’t want to load. Unfortunately it’s only on Windows. Is there any way for me to play the demo on Mac? If not, is there any way to like contact those involved asking that they release a Mac platform compatible version when they release the full game?
I went with big man Hector, in all honesty I couldn’t at first choose who I wanted cause all of them have such good skills but favorite game won out and Hector was my choice. I do honestly hope to get the other three but knowing my luck thats not gonna happen.
Lilina would love to have that Death Blow 4. +14 Atk if initiate combat? Awesome!
I managed to get Veronica, Ephraim, and Celica. 3/4!
I drew a +Spd -Atk Veronica. I’m trying to decide whether I want to claim a free Ephraim or Hector (I kind of hate Eirika & Ephraim as FE characters so will probably go Hector)
Is it just me, or are these alts a little.. underwhelming? Celica’s in particular is not great, to me.
You mean art-wise or power wise?
I guess all I really care about is the artwork, since I don’t get heavily invested in the gameplay. Celica, Ephraim and Hector are all some of my favorite Fire Emblem characters and, maybe because they have other alts already with good art, I’m not as excited about them.
I confess CYL 2 didn’t excited me at the same level CYL 1 did. We have 1 year of content between both banners, so there are a lot of good units that were released during this period… including the Legendary Heroes. Last year I didn’t have a lot of really good units, so all 4 brave heroes were well accepted in any of my teams. Lyn was the first bow knight and she still is a high tier unit, Ike was my first good axe unit, Lucina was a great lance unit in my team, and Roy was part of my cavalry team for months!
This year… the excitement is not happening… I am not saying CYL 2018’s units are bad, but I have others units to do their roles. I don’t plan to use Brave Ephraim in my teams, outside assault modes. I have others great armored axe units. I know he can double when has access to field buffs but I prefer to use my Legendary Hector, who can double during enemy phase, already has Distant Counter and can prevent foes to double thanks to his weapon. Brave Hector is great, but if I decide to use him, I will need to change my armored team to make Hector work with the others. Brave Celica is a great infantry sword unit, but being a infantry sword unit is her problem for me. Her “Double Lion” skill is great, but if Celica isn’t at full HP she basically don’t have a b-skill. She need to have a healer on her team or a healing special to have good use of this skill, different from Alm who can heal himself with the Falchion. Veronica is the only one I can see me using, and this is why she is my free unit.
Managed to get the new hector (+Atk/-HP) on only my second orb! A nice change of pace after how many orbs I’ve poured into the Festival banner (was trying for Xander, got to 4.25%, pity broken by Mist…got to 4.5% again, no colourless orbs in my circle–got the new Elincia, and have given up on that banner for now >_<). Have to build up a small stash and keep trying for the others. Haven't decided which to take for my freebie, but I'll wait to see how the rest of my pulls go before making that decision.
Never expected FEH music to be add since its a spin off mobile game so that’s interesting.
“Additionally, colour bonuses and point multipliers will change every hour instead of every six hours.”
THANK YOU!!!
Fjorm for Smash? At least we know what her Final Smash looks like~
I doubt that’ll happen but would be great
The move she did in her debut trailer against Surtr will most likely be her final smash
Sure I’ve been saying that since her debut either her or Veronica I can see if they really want to put a FE Heroes rep in bonus if Ganondorfs involved in a potential reveal trailer.
Yeahhh I forgot to do the quiz 3 days. RIP 3 orbs. Hope I don’t miss you someday.
Same here…
I forgot to do it 4 days… Only got 10+3 orbs.
Got all questions right~
Need only a Legendary Hero White Tome Micaiah to fully satisfy me (and one with a Green Tome)
Young Titania looks really sweet~ But whats that behind Female Corrin?
I think you’re referring to Ganglari, the sword from the Fates prologue that appears behind Corrin in bright purple in the image.
Thank you~ That sword that got replaced with Yato if I remember correctly. I only played Birthright and Conquest once time each, and even so, I only used Mozu & Midori and Elise with Ophelia so I was confused what that is~
I won’t post open spoilers, but yeah, it’s the sword that Corrin gets in the beginning of the game that is eventually replaced as their Prf weapon by the Yato.
I got a neutral Brave Roy on my free summon. Like. What?
He compliments your name~
The grounds of water do not recognise the water blessings on my heroes!
I got a +Spd/-HP Karla from my free summon, considerably a better combo than my first one (+HP/-Atk). Might fodder the old one off for Wrath, as I’ve never pulled a single Neph, let alone two or more.
Don’t know how I feel about the Gardens though. Twice the work for the same reward? A bit underwhelming >_<
Uh oh, I’ve been trying for a new Legendary Robin for so long (trying to get a better Boon/Bane combo), but at the same time…
I. WANT. THAT. MARTH! Rip me…
I’m still after Gunnthra!
Gunnthra is a good unit
female grima, isn’t that great for flyer emblem but is useful for a mixed team if you give her guidance seal
I really like him but could have done with a bit more time after the CYL banner to appreciate those units.
Binding Shield is the official localization, the FE12 fan translation doesn’t need updating.
That’s the main thing I’m getting out of this.
This ain’t Lucina! They promised me another Lucina. Jokes aside, he looks broken and shares colour with the only units that interest me. But we still need a blue dragon counter.
I mean, on Player Phase Marth invalidates all dragons so there’s really no issue there. And if he is under Res tactics, that is +12 Res on Marth, so he can enemy phase them well too. As for blue dragons, Deirdre, Julia and somewhat FH!Elincia do the job well. Did you mean red dragons, who are only type countered by FH!Ryoma with Elincia’s dagger?
Late response, but I meant a counter to red dragons. There’s sometimes that Roy/Marth/Lucina can’t OHKO Tiki. And that Ryoma is a counter I didn’t think of. You’d need two limited units, though.
I love the artwork! They did Marth right.
His look is priceless
Exalted Falchion + Tactics team = NUUUUUUUUUUUT
Unless his base stats are super low he is brooooooken. I guess IS has kind of painted themselves into a corner with so many strong sword units, each new one has to be clearly stronger than the rest.
If the Judgral banner is true and looks good, I might just actually come back and play this game
Hurray I pulled a Marth as my free summon…wait, this one’s vanilla…dick move game.
I pulled Lene and Ares and Ard.. Effie for some Orbs, I wait for Legendary Micaiah~
I wish the Internet calms down on Marth. Now with him as a Legendary Dragonslayer~ Abyssal sounds scary like it´s Made in Abyss!
I got Fjorm in my first round of summoning. Pretty boring, but at the same time I definitely don’t mind making her stronger since she’s useful.
Okay, Abyssal mode is definitely worse than Infernal mode! It’s easily destroying my pride! Isn’t there anyone brave enough to beat Abyssal mode without that God forsaken Skill Inheritance and Merges?!
A agree with you. I happy the reward is not orbs. It’s just a golden accessory that I would never use. I believe only team with all four units are +10 or teams with dancers and blade tome units are able to defeat Abyssal.
This is not fair! Abyssal was a mistake, they just made this mode to piss me off! I couldn’t care less about the golden accessories, all that matters to me is pride in accomplishment, but these people who did beat Abyssal with their teams of all four units with 10+ merge and Skill Inheritance are ALL mocking me with my failed attempts! If only there’s someone who can beat Abyssal fairly without a LOT of merges and without many Skill Inheritance, like Pheonixmaster1 and Orochi Keen Tactician from YouTube!
I wouldn’t say Abyssal was a mistake, but it’s not for players like us…
Just because you don’t enjoy Abyssal doesn’t mean nobody else does. This game is not catered entirely for you and being unable to stand up to a challenge is the fault of nobody else but yourself.
You do realize that I’m NOT the only one who despises Abyssal, or don’t you? Don’t tell me you beat Abyssal with your 10+ merged units with a lot of skill inheritances and many dancers and singers just to rub it in! I don’t need a pity from a selfish and immature glory hog troll such as you! Now screw off, troll!
Nice backpedaling, kiddo. You directly insinuated that IS “made this mode to piss me off!”, which is a hilariously immature way of coping with the fact that you just suck at the game. Unlike you, other people don’t throw temper tantrums about it publicly on the Internet.
You’ve been whining here nonstop for months on end now, so I’d suggest you either learn some maturity or leave because all you’re accomplishing is embarrassing yourself with these tantrums.
I’m not going anywhere, you’re not even the Mod for this website, so you don’t get to tell me to leave, you are completely powerless like a bratty glory hog troll you are.
Also, after so many trials and errors, I finally beat the Abyssal mode of BOTH Legendary Hero Battles, thanks to the guidance of the Japanese videos that says “No Skill Inheritance”, and now I got my pride back. How do you like them apples, you sourpuss gay troll? And btw, I’m not talking about real apples, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand. Victory is mine, suck on that.
Congratulations on your belated victory secured through the hard work of someone else; I already got it two days ago.
One of these days, you need a good moment of self reflection to realize how petty you are if you get your panties so easily riled up on the Internet.
Joke’s on you, bratty gay troll, you beating Abyssal mode with your 10+ merged characters with a lot of Skill Inheritance and many dancers and singers is a mere joke, it doesn’t count when you cheat your way to win. I, on the other hand, have found a way to beat Abyssal mode fairly without any Skill Inheritance at all, I did a better strategy than you can possibly come up with.
Just face it, bratty gay troll, I have already surpassed you the minute I beat Abyssal mode fairly, so much better than your ridiculous strategy just so you can cheat to win. Oh, and you’re talking about panties? Why? Are you wearing one yourself just to crap on it? Ha ha.
I literally just finished my current +10 unit and was going to make Odin my next project…for the memes…this is some perfect timing. I’m pretty sure his weapon is going to likely be a slayer tome like it is in Fates, then as a refinement I hope it has some effect that increases his damage proportionate to his opponent’s Atk…cause that 22 neutral Atk aint’ doin’ him any favors.
That Combat Manuals thing sounds pretty good, actually it can save some characters from the curse of the Tempest Trials, where the only reason to get some of those characters are for skill inheritance, yeah, there are some their skills suc*s, but i think it can save a few, i don’t wanna see another Canas situation anymore.
For Odin refine, i expect a sh*tty one.
Combat Manuals is a interesting concept, but it’s more useful for skill inheritance than merges. It will be useful for merges if we will be able to promote a 4* unit’s Combat Manual to a 5* unit’s Combat Manual. For skill inheritance it’s great. Now I can open more space in my barracks.
In the forums, the user “Ice Dragon” mentioned that Combat Manuals is a great solution for merges to the Askr’s Trio, Tempest Trial units and Grand Hero Battle’s units. I hope this is true.
This definitely opens up the possibility of a skill or unit shop of sorts.
That’s very unfortunate…..I still believe the release will be early next year…..
Excuse me but did someone have information of that Leo and Takumi magazine?
I pre-ordered them in CD Japan, and yeah it market release day “late August” but yesterday I checked and it say “release date late September” . It was really delayed? I already send a question to cd japan but I wonder if someone else have information about that
If that’s what Leo looks like Post-Birthright…I’m a little scared of what a Post-Birthright Camilla card might be. Other than that, this all looks pretty epic, looking forward to this set!
Veronica or Ike…mmmh…
On a sidenote: Happy Birthday Thracia 776!
I’ve got all of them except Celica. Not sure who I’ll root for. First voting gauntlet where I’ve actually liked most of the characters.
I wasted 80+ Orbs on Legendary Marth’s Banner knowing this was going to happen…
You may all consider me a moron now.
Don´t be sad, I´m on 5,50% on the CYL2-Banner. I now just want to have any 5* Unit from this one.
Oof, I’m sorry to hear that, the CYL2 Banner went great for me. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you, though!
Ugh – I know how that feels -I ended up with a spring Alphonse as my pitybreaker, September Orbs are but a memory and nothing on the Festival banner except pitybreaker Leif and *&#£#@ Shigure to replace the one I had foddered off! I am saving up for Halloween now – it’s been Feh’s summer festival of owl poo for me, except the great free CYL Oho!
The CYL2 Banner was amazing on my end(I pulled Brave Celica, double Veronica, Regular Ephraim, Innes, and Minerva), it’s just that I was an idiot to go for Legendary Marth’s Banner when the only Units I wanted on there were Marth and Brave Lucina, who I knew was going to be part of the Voting Gauntlet in a Banner with Brave Ike, who I want more of. Instead, I got a single Reinhardt on a full pull at 10.5%. Who’s definitely not replacing my Roy any time soon.
This will NOT end well depending on who it is
The cyl2 banner kept giving me non focus 5*
until I got +atk -spd Hector
so ill try for the others (maybe get another male grima toward my dream of +10)
but I’m going either hector or Lucina this gauntlet
That is definitely Helswath, nice try though IS on that “Cherche’s axe” crap
Appreciate the interview, but for a small studio they’re pretty damn secretive.
@disqus_bj44qPTg91:disqus That’s why they got the job. It’s in line with Kaga’s workflow. Can you imagine how he would be ruined if he was served by the Trump administration?
As to the soundtrack release, I don’t see why the need for a domestic release seeing as it is obtainable as is. There really is nothing to the soundtrack that can benefit from a American release. If it is too hard for any of you to obtain, ask me I can get loads of them here to the states. Truly good work from Hirotoh Saitoh. I can imagine the entire story just from the music. Unfortunately though, there are missing tracks from the game and a good portion of the tracks, such as the opening sequence were made in a previous game that Saitoh has scored. Not sure if he was scoring VS at the same time as the other game or that the music just fitted the overall theme of this game as well.
Pretty light interview btw. I can’t say that it was the right choice to ask confirmation about S_Kaga. However, Dangen still didn’t deny our suspicions.
I’m all for a physical copy of the game, they could go as far to make it a package with a little artbook, interviews, soundtrack, etc. Like how Soul Calibur does for most of its franchise run.
You’re right of course, I understand why Kaga would want to not be bothered, and these people seem up for the job. I hope they’ll get more work, like Playism.
Ok… this is one of the easiest, if not the easiest, GHB until know. I completed each difficulty in my first try!
It is very well deserved, but damn Lewyn is so powerful. He may be so meta oppressive that people must bring a check for him. Desperation at high HP is so good. Can’t wait to see what they do with Ced.
Cuan and Sylvia look great too. I wonder which will be the demote, they’ve never demoted a dancer before.
I believe the demoted unit will be Sylvia. She is the only unit with 4 skills. Barrier Blade is a great weapon, and being a Dancer is always good. Mirror Stance will probably be her 5* skill, because Deluge Dance 2 isn’t a great skill, different from Lene’s Firestorm Dance.
Quan is the second option. He has a legendary weapon, but this didn’t stop Ares from get demoted. However, Quan has 2 new skills in his hands: Rally Spd/Def+, which will probably be a 5* exclusive, and Steady Posture 2, which will probably be 5* exclusive to, leaving Drive Atk as his 4* skill (if he gets demoted).
They have not demoted any of the units in a banner before though.
LewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroesLewynInHeroes…. holy crap I might actually buy Orbs for this. I’ve been waiting so long.
Slight correction, it’s a new story chapter, not a paralogue.
In any case, all 3 units look awesome. I’d like them all but likely don’t have the orbs for it. Guess Lewyn will be priority.
Honestly I expected more for Lewyn, He’s alright but I dunno, they dropped the ball with remove dodging anyway.
He was just added to the game to pass his skills to others characters, that’s just sad.
Veronica seems to be the one everyone is picking. Part of me wants her to lose purely out of spite haha.
I went for Lyn – she has helped me do so many maps it would be rude not to.
I hope Silvia goes 4*… we need another 4* dancer. A different colour would be nice, but all the same, it would be good.
RIP Q in Quan lol.
Oops! Shows what I’m used to vs what they actually released >.> I’ll have to fix that!
Disregarding the article, it’s more rip C since that’s what most have been using.
hrm this gauntlet has my three favorite characters, Ike, Hector and ephraim (not in order). who to go for…
RIP 20,000 Feathers spent on giving Cherche a Brave Axe+. Oh well, this incites me to +10 her now.
My waifu Cherche is even stronger omg she finally got her Helswath!!! Celica definitely got better too!, Odin is still meh not surprising.
Interesting, the soundtrack and sequels would be really good
RIP the Odin dream, he is still the very bottom.
Sweet! Can’t wait for it to come out! 😀
Well things certainly played out as expected story-wise. As far as summoning goes, not too excited for this banner so I’ll be saving orbs for now, but I did manage to pull a +Atk/-Def Katarina after 2 summons (finally someone who isn’t -atk, hurray!) so…me pleased with the turnout. Good luck to everyone else in their summonings.
Oh god. One single green orb per session or none at all. I’m not surviving this, must be my punishment for that free Myrrh yesterday.
At least my team defeated THE ENEMY.
I feel ya: I got spooked by Micaiah a few days ago and now hardly any blue orbs are coming my way this banner.
Would there be a way to send a message to S_Kaga? I mean, right now, I have some ideas that I feel might help a lot in his game. No, there just not much, but anyways a potential one.
Even if there was, I do not think the master would appreciate your “feedback”. I seriously doubt you know Fire Emblem gameplay as well as he does.
I might be lack of real experience, but I play much fire emblem for you to know. I’m no game developer, so I cannot really help him for that. But I got some ideas that he might use/modify. No need to credit me for it if Sir S_Kaga would use my ideas – I only want for his game to be great furthermore. Well, I doubt S_Kaga would appreciate me , so I guess you are right for that.
Yes, the developer thats made like 3/5 worst fire emblem chapters
Wow, only an idiot would beileve he made any bad fire emblem games. You’re just fucking terrible at playing them. and you probably have shit taste in games and you want Fire Emblem to be filled with loli anime waifus.
So, Ylgr was Loki in disguise the whole time, though a lot of people called it. And also, Veronica is still alive, but not for long.
Poor Helbindi…
Ah, Roy…shall victory always evade our blades? Nay, friend, one day our chance shall come, and when that day happens they shall know our names. For now, though, onwards, alongside thy father’s close companion, as we challenge her ladyship of Embla for the right – nay, the coveted honor – of bringing glory to the name of Elibe.
Relay Defense is terribly unbalanced with map 4 already being hard enough. The over powered enemies wouldn’t be an issue if the mode didn’t quickly devolve into a 5 vs 20million battle since the game constantly takes my units away and not the enemies while they continuously get reinforcements. Rewards aren’t even worth it as they are identical to Rival Domains.
Ephraim? Really? :/
Voting gauntlet is nothing more than a joke. The fact that Veronica is winning is proof of that.
Book II end in sight guys, here we go…who’s ready for the other Nifl siblings to die, or at least Hrid?
we all know Surtur will die and loki will live
Loki is likely to become the villain of Book III, and unlike how there was a bit of an awkward period between defeating Veronica in Book I and the actual end, they’ll probably go right into Book III.
While I’m sure it’s possible they could, the fact that they didn’t kill Helbindi (or whatever his name was) kinda makes me think otherwise.
No, I don´t want that, I would like a Múspell-Banner with Helbindi, Laegjarn and Laevatein and a Nifl BHB~
Helbindi sacrifices himself to save Ylgr since he couldn’t protect his little sister? Heroic sacrifice, dramatic finale, and so on and so forth. Hrid lives and finally takes a bath to wash that soot off.
Maybe?
That’s a lot of new heroes in a short timespan.
Considering they only just changed the tap battle to be switchable I somehow don’t think it’ll be the last one, but I may just as well be wrong. Generally though it would be odd for a feature in a software to disappear without prior announcement. They also haven’t retired any game mode before and this is a very low effort feature for them to keep running.
So the Tempest which spreads chaos around starts at 9/11… What were they thinking?
This must be the only time that I really want an Awakening/Fates banner, cause I don’t have any orbs. So many banners this month…
Probably nothing, being a Japanese company and all.
What I think about is that Update 3.0 could be possible big as Update 2.0 which was the start of Book II at the end of November because of the Book II Quest. Maybe they introduce Color/-less Beast/Laguz-Units or Colorless Mages after the Halloween-Banner. I´m always happy about Forging Bonds Event~
I would love a colorless mage
But here is my question…
There is no unique colorless weapon (sword, axe, lance)
so will they have the audacity to have things like blue swords? I highly doubt it but is it in the realm of possibilities?
Beast units would be cool, so when do we get Velouria?
I was already thinking of L!Micaiah being a Legendary Colorless Mage because of her second promotion. Blue Swords? Just look at Ike in Smash~
Aren’t colourless mages basically staff users with Wrathful Staff?
I do think beast units will happen with the next big update as a melee physical colourless, because if you check this table, we’re currently lacking that. It makes sense after adding coloured ranged physical attacks:
| Physical | Magical |
Melee | Swords (R), Lances (B), Axes (G), ??? (C) | Dragonbreath (RBGC) |
Ranged | Bows (RBGC), Daggers (RBGC) | Tomes (RBG), Staves (C) |
Congratulations Ephraim, even that I was on Veronicas Team so that she could win.
Last time Sigurd, Eldigan & Deidre as Bonus-Unit was on the Genealogy of Light TT, and this was almost a year ago~
IS, I’m still waiting for my vantage seal
also my horse shield and armor shield (don’t feel like using technical names right now I know how they are said but I would have to look up spelling)
Voting gauntlet was fun
I somehow managed to draw Silvia, Lewyn, AND Quan (bad IVs on Lewyn and Quan though). Only spent like 60 orbs, really don’t know how that happened.
Glad to see Silas as the obvious demote, I’m sure I’ll get plenty of copies as I pull for Legendary Lucina in November. Reposition is finally being easily accessible in another pool!
And another main antagonist into the “No IVs, no merges” basket. Well, from what I know of Fates, there’s stil hope for a summonable alt. Same with Arvis, Lyon, Berkut (and Ashnard someday).
Ophelia and Flora yes!!!!!!
Ophelia’s art looks awesome! …I don’t really play this game very much right now though.
Ophelia~ Now Odin´s Weapon Evolution would be this tome what he gave her. I vote for Delthea getting Ragnarok as Evolution and my Pretty Blue Mages Girls Squad would be perfect with Micaiah~ (I still need Ophelia and Lute nevertheless)
There’s an easier way IS…no need for an essay.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c52944e1ff0dace0fd87ce96253eb3118eaa23051f7fb18823db7617afa7b64.jpg
What the actual heck, Ophelia can proc frickin’ Aether or Galeforce first turn every round for TT in an all-Tome team. She also sounds busted for Arena…er, as much as an Infantry Unit can be.
so, since we’ll have a nohrian banner, does that mean a hoshidan banner will be next? (with a sumeragi GHB hopefully).
Alfonse owned this book so hard. I can’t complain. I want HIM to be summonable. And the other Askrans.
Aaand FE Direct to present more info about Three Houses and Book 3 🙂
Anyway, I really enjoyed Book 2. It had pace, twists, important deaths, sacrifices, action, epicness… it was a slap in the face to all those early release whiners who seriously thought that a long term phone game would come loaded with all content right away.
I already have Helbindi, and every time I summon he shows up and says: “NOTHING BUT FILTH”.
I hope they’re summonable, being a limited unit hurts a lot.
This is so true its painful.
Finally this fanfiction has come to an end.
Loki is still alive, so this fanfic will continue in the Book III.
Laegjarn~ Well, that’s what I wished for to happen~
I am so happy!
Since the release of the app, 3 of my favorite characters got into the game
#1 Male Grima
#2 Walhart
#3 Flora
now I just need to summon Flora
I’ve been waiting for Flora too. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you if you keep yours crossed for me!
will do!
I freaking love the new arena skills that Laegjarn and Helbindi come with. It’s the exact antidote to armor meta that this game needed, even if it is locked behind SI.
I just hope it works on ranged and not just melee, like it seems to. Because that would allow for some awesome mage team comps, like using Ophelia, Merric and Linde together to one shot enemies!
If those three are summonable in the next summon I can see the upcoming voting gauntlet being askr vs muspel.
or perhaps it will be one for Legendary Heroes.
Feathers!
Defending Ylisse: Let’s protect the village!
Rejecting Destiny: Let’s protect Princess Veronica!
High Tea Jinks: Let’s make tea!
At long last, Surtr’s reign of terror is over! Gunnthrá can finally Rest In Peace. As for Laegjarn and Helbindi? Their deaths weren’t in vain, either. The war between Nifl and Múspell has came to an end, with Hrid as the new King of Nifl and Laevatein as the new Queen of Múspell. This is the end of Book 2, but the entire story overall is far from over, because Veronica went back to Embla and continues her evil plot to rule Askr. As for Loki? Yeah, this is definitely not the last we’ll hear from her, because she’s still plotting to destroy Askr, and serving her true master, no doubt about it. That’s what I’m looking forward to Book 3, if they make one.
Until then, The End.
Did anyone else notice that the three different armies seem to have a focus. One showed Mounted troops both Horse and Pegasi, that would be Fergus. One has the Infantry and Wyvern focus, Adrastea. And Leicaster seems to have an artillery focus…
Looks like they have not abandoned the “one side has Pegasi and the other has Wyverns” archetype. Wyvern’s probably breed slower than Pegasi but are stronger in practice. And with a faction focused on archery they are all in an effective stalemate. Interesting.
I really, REALLY hope they dont mangle the translation like they did because they think western audiences “wont get it” or the TL staff don’t like certain things like the whole drugging debacle.
Partea-Time! What I like is, you don´t need Stamina Potions to max out all the friendship within 2 weeks, when you put on accessories of course.
Eh, potions are easy enough to come by in the game for most people. Usually, it’s only people on Youtube like PM1 who are always in danger of/already running out.
If you aim for top 1,000 every Tempest or two, it’s hard to get by with what they give you without being super conservative of them. It may sound like a lot of work, but the extra 10k feathers for simple autobattles is well worth the trouble to me. Good HM grinding, too.
Yes~ thats what I do too! Because my summons are sometimes not that good, so I started to invest in Reinhardt-sama, Abel, Nino and Caeda and so on. I made even Pity-Breaker Sheena to a 5*+10 Wall of Sheena~
I dig it, not everything needs to be serious with actual narrative stakes.
I already figured as much when I first saw her skills and stats, but Flora really is a beast. I’ve been using her for both this event as well as the TT and she’s pretty much shredding through almost anything with relative ease.
Olivia and Azura from this banner are my favorite units in the game.
Last time I summoned for this strange Lady, I got more Inigos that I wished for, because I have already Nino, so I use Dancer only in GHB´s and Trainingtower.
The same happened to me but since then Inigo has become one of my absolute MVPs so I regret nothing. I should probably try for more merges on him, his BST is so bad.
Summoning, but only for fodder reasons. My Nino needs a Helbindi and if I can pick up a Laevatein to give to Legendary Lucina, bonus.
I am somewhat intrigued by Laegjarn, if I get her I may keep her.
He’d be perfect for a seasonal santa unit
Krampus Garon?
Would Helbindi be the best candidate for demotion if any by virtue of being ugly and male?
I don’t think anyone is going to demote on this banner at all. Helbindi is valuable because of his A.
“???” No, I know that’s Bruno/Zacharias, his mask won’t fool me or anyone else anymore!
Oh, by the way, I summoned Laegjarn, twice!
Hey, who signed Elice’s card? She doesn’t have a VA anywhere, does she?
It’s her voice actress from the old anime, Sumi Shimamoto. She hasn’t been involved with the franchise since then, so I think it’s likely that she recently voiced some lines for Heroes.
Elice in Heroes was what my mind first jumped to as well. Here’s hoping!
well shit my boy robin look great
Even Summer-Ryoma can’t get enough from Swords, so he uses the natural resources~
Also Mage Valjean looks like Ains from Overlord.
Haven’t had anything to summon on this last month, so I went in for a merge for Eine. Got her, 2xSylvia, and Eldigan in around 90 orbs. Not bad at all.
Preordered one of those masking tape set and the tapestry.
I couldn’t get the Lyn cushion a while back and I still regret it to this day, so I’m not missing out on this!
Looks like I made the right call in deciding to save up my Orbs for this banner, because it’s really great with the sole exception of Jaffar since he has an unfortunate tendency to spook.
I’m definitely going to be gunning for at least one merge for Legendary Tiki, because Corrin and Ninian aren’t cutting it for me anymore and it’s tough having to rely on F!Robin against Falchions when I’m running my dragon team.
Oof, this banner is way too nice. And considering how lucky I’ve been with the last 2 banners, I’m concerned my luck will dry up for this banner.
Look like this Tiki references her FE1 design, with the red hood.
Tiki looks so cute! I believe LA! Lyn will lose her place in my Armored Team.
This hood must weight a ton!
Wait a minute, how in Naga’s name did they get a four star Hardin?
I don’t remember which one it is, but this Hardin is from either 5-4 or 5-5 in Book II on Hard.
Yep, luck is all dried up as I open with a bunch of 3*s. Oddly, almost half of my summons were Effies and Ravens…funny how that works.
I really want her but…
how many anti grima’s are they going to add to the meta?
I never see him in arena (im usually 18 minimum to 20 maximum)
So why are they still putting counters to him?
Trust me, he’s everywhere in 20 to 21 where I play. He is very much a threat with SB and BF, almost as bad as Zelgius.
If you don’t have a counter to him, it’s game. He’s still very relevant.
I knew I should have waited and not get baited by the Muspell Banner. Young broken with her 180 BST. I’m going to need Death Blow Dierdre as a staple on my arena teams.
Finally a somewhat very good summoning for me: 2 Jaffars in one summonround with only 60 Orbs, sadly I wont summon anymore after my first 5* from a banner because my Legendary banners are to expensive with always 11% -12% since the 3rd one and CYL2 with 440 Orbs full rounds and only 2 5* OG Hector & Brave Hector was not that much fun to summon even if they are good. I wish good RNG for other Summoners anyway~
Arvis best daddy. But why starting with every father against his daughter? I’d have prefered fathers on one side and daughters on the other.
Would’ve prefer Ophelia and Odin way more here… also hello spoiler on the top left……I’m honestly not shock at this point with Heroes anymore…..
Going Lilina ftw!
Nice to see Hector back on a banner, DC is honestly pretty easy to pull for nowadays with how frequently it keeps appearing on banners.
If you really want DC now, the game won’t stop you. That’s pretty nice tbh, a far cry from launch days where having DC on anyone until HF1 meant you were either super lucky or a massive whale (remember that one guy that spent $1000+ bucks trying to get an off-focus Hector at launch? Ouch.)
Well, I wanted an off-focus Chrom and siply kept rerolling the account over and over until I got him 😀
Pull the best FE daddy, Hawkeye…unfortunately IS hasn’t given us Igrene yet so he can’t participate in this bracket.
Oh, ew. Arvis.
They could’ve had those two slots be Male Corrin and Female Kana, or Bartre and Fir, but instead they go for the guy who got with his half-sister and had incest babies. There’s.. other perfectly reasonable alternatives, but, uh, okay I guess.
I think this was done to insert Julia on a banner. With the new Tiki out she is a great counter after all.
Yeah, that makes the most sense. Bartre and Fir are cool, but less people would want to pull for them since they’re available as 3 to 4 stars. Kana and Corrin could work, but I guess they just wanted to have Julia, haha.
I can see Solitary Blade having a Solo skill, like Atk/Spd Solo or Atk/Def Solo.
I agree, though it’ll probably be the former rather than the latter cause his defense isn’t all that great and his average HP isn’t helping much. I mean its possible he’ll get Solo ATK/DEF but unlikely.
Finally Tana gets something nice. Have had her in my main team since she was released, so it will be interesting to see what it’ll be.
I believe Tana’s Vidofnir main effect will change from “+7 Def when a foe using sword, lance or axe initiates combat” to “+7 Def when foe initiates combat”. The refinement effect, however, I don’t have any idea to what can be… Tana is the first unit to have Guidance, so maybe she will have a movement skill, like Aerobatics, as her refinement.
Naming favourite-marks is really good! I hope there is so much space so I can name my light blue Hearts: Loli Desu-troyer~
“Abyssal difficultly for daily Grand Hero Battles”
F**k…my…life!
I know, I FINALLY managed to beat Robin’s on every difficulty, why now?!
Veronica to the rescue. She and Reinhardt are the ones I used to beat both Tiki and Hector abyssal.
If they don’t add reinforcements, those won’t be that bad (perhaps Robin will require a team of dancers as a must).
Valter and Takumi abyssal… now when those arrive, things will get ugly.
Congratulations Raven!
Thanks!
Lon’qu gets an upgrade?
Yuri Lowenthall will be pleased XD
Good Job & enjoy your work Raven~
Let´s go Lilina! Set the enemy ablaze~
ablaze, forblaze?
Blazing through the competition!
She’ll call upon fire!
Okay, I don’t get it! One second, Female Morgan is slightly more popular than Hector, but now, Hector is more popular than Female Morgan! Now I have no idea who will I join!
I find it’s better to actually go with the less popular character since 1) being popular doesn’t guarantee victory and winning is still 50/50 due to the silly bonus multiplier and 2) being on the less popular side gives you more opportunities to abuse the multiplier to raise your rank in the round, which from my personal experience, yields you more feathers.
I’m on team…robin…yeah…
Can we have Raven’s newsposts be formatted exclusively in red?
Congrats and good luck!
Two top tier characters known by ORKO anything that dares to be in their way and both with Vantage. This will be painful.
And “Ishtar’s harem banner” will pitybreak you with blue Reinhardt.
Legendary Tiki is a beast! Thanks to her, this BHB was one of the easiest I ever played.
It’s honestly a piece of cake even without her. All that’s needed is basically a DC unit that can take out Ishtar and the archer in one turn and you’re good to go.
I just used M grima…
ez
Got my first Ishtar as free summon from this shocking banner~
On Seliph’s art, those aren’t his parents, those are Lewyn and Julia.
You know, you’re completely right and I have no idea how I messed that up. I must have been confused with a different piece of art.
Why Hinata? Why not someone else?
Do you not want fury, one of the best skills in the game as well as being the best budget A skill?
No. I don’t like sacrificing HP for bonuses; I like to keep my units with as much health as possible.
Fury is a fine skill. It works especially well with Desperation, helping units get to the <50% HP threshold quicker.
Also, in the event you are double attacked in one round, the 6HP damage is canceled out anyway, yet you still gain +3 Atk for your troubles, on top of bonus damage for specials that deal damage based on your own units' stats such as Ignis, Glacies, etc.
This Heroic Feats is good! The more units gets demotet, the less I can pull them. My Abel & Tharja are almost since a year +7 because I dont pull them anymore.
Last year they waited that one banner endet until we get the next new special heroes banner, which is why Helloween was so late. But this time we could get a spooky TT+ like the summer one!
Meh, I’d rather they give us Hector. Hinatas are a dime a dozen.
Except i dont think they would ever give us Hector but someone like Eldigan would be better then the common Hinata.
Nice, I hope I’ll get more merges for my Marisa soon!
literally the same
Heroes Feats will be especially nice if they give us some nice fodder heroes, especially if one is a 5* exclusive (even if just at 4*); similar to the free Takumi we all got a while back with a fantasy fodder skill.
Really glad with the picks of Myrrh and Mia. Kagero with two seasonals is kinda questionable to me, and the fact that those three are armors is meh, but I can appreciate the good designs overall.
I’m not summoning, but this banner pleases me. Also can’t wait to see Dorcas with an alt.
I saw the Kagero alt and taken aback…is she really that popular? Nothing against her, but I would’ve thought some other Birthright waifu could get a season or better yet, a Felicia season to match Jakob’s from last year.
I’m also not summoning…I’m getting tired of the direction things are going for FEH and I hope IS doesn’t dig their own grave.
I find the fact that we at least are getting three fresh alts, two being non fateswakening, to be a step in the right direction. If only they could trust themselves to leave the category entirely and just stick with the older games. People would still gladly spend. I do appreciate skipable banners though, makes it easy to save orbs.
To be honest, my enjoyment from Heroes is hardly about summoning anymore, it’s about the gameplay. Which I do feel is going to receive a nice overhaul at 3.0. I’m holding out hope.
I hope it does, arena’s been a bore since the last changes where it’s now devolve into baby sitting one of the Askr trios to get kills unless you got lucky and pulled a unit from the recent banners who’s good enough to get those kills with little assistance. And if you’re not super merging armors then kiss the top tier good bye.
The existing modes feel like they’ve been on auto pilot as well…”tap battle ended, lets throw in a new 30 day round, TT+ is done, let’s start forging bond”…and so on.
I will actually denounce that armors are essential to obtaining at least 20.5 (so I switch back and forth between 20 and 21), but it does take a lot of merges (I use 1 +6 and 2 +10 Infantry + Flier, and only one is ranged) and at least 3/4 of the kills to your bonus unit. It’s not the worst thing, I do find Arena slightly more enjoyable since I can’t just have my SB Ike run over everything anymore, but I do understand it wasn’t the best fix.
And yeah, most content is too easily auto-able. Some Youtubers have mentioned a campaign mode, and imo that would be the best thing to add. We shall see.
Mia’s “WAH!” omg my sides, Lani Minella you’re killing me!
Also, we’re running out of fetishes to shove Kagero in. If they wanted a boob-tastic Fates girl, I’m surprised they don’t go with Charlotte, who is actually popular.
And if they wanted one from the Birthright side, Orochi has yet to be added.
“Everyone needs Hinata”
…I don’t need Hinata, I don’t use Fury ever.
Wait, everyone else gets actual costumes and Kagero gets to be a barmaid? How does that fit the theme at all? Normally I’m down for Halloween stuff, but this looks meh, miss me with that powercreep armor crap and give me either FrankenJakob or a second NekoSakura on my free pull for the rerun Banner and we’ll call it good, ok IS? Don’t worry, I’ll still use Orbs and stuff, just on trying for Laevatainn instead.
hey man, did you ever get flora?
Nah, no luck. She’ll have to come to me eventually, but not this time I guess. You?
I did manage to get her, sorry that you didn’t
Normally I’d look at Witchy Wand and go, that is kinda busted that you can inflict an anti-special charge status, this is totally gonna be meta defining…but then the not stupid side of me realizes that I’ve been saying that for months now and the current armor dominated meta doesn’t care.
With all the armor focus on the game now…..WHEN DO WE GET OSWIN?!
OR…how about the daddy-daughter duo of Brom and Meg? Or my personal favorite and god of every one of my Conquest runs, Benny. There’s still a lot, yet we keep getting these fakers.
Clarine’s quests were a little boring to do, because I don’t have a 5* Clarine with Wrathful/Dazzling staff. I needed to abuse of Spur Atk, Drive Atk and Atk Tactic.
I actually have all 3 at 5*, Odin in particular is +2 so this quest was done with for me 10mins after starting them.
I only have Tiki as a 5* unit. I got a +Atk Odin last week, so maybe I will promote him in the future.
She’s been one of my staple healers for some time now, good and low effort.
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She’s been one of my staple healers for some time now, good and low effort.
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Contrary to some people im really excited for this banner. I’ve been hoping for a flying healer for some time and bam here it is. Also a red dragon armor is something I’ve wanted for a while and since I wasn’t able to get legendary Tiki, here’s a chance for my redemption
FEH Twitter posted the top 20 combat manuals, and Hinata is in first, Marth in 2nd, Roy in 3rd and Lon’qu in 4th. I believe Marth, Roy and Lon’qu are the others 4 units from the Heroic Feats.
A free Lon’qu makes sense, since he is getting a refine soon. It appears that people have pulled a lot of red lately (looks at Musspell banner and Flora).
I don’t actually understand why that many people are turning Marth into manuals, because Spur Speed and Pivot are pretty boring skills. The other three respectively have highly desirable skills like Fury, Triangle Adept, and Vantage. Ogma being #6 is even more bizarre.
Marth for a merge project maybe? I’ve also used Spur Spd 2 to inherit Moonbow and Goad Fliers from Palla in one go on a flier, but that doesn’t happen that often. Ogma definitely makes no sense.
These holiday breath girls have kinda been missed opportunities imo
Summer loli Tiki should’ve have had her dragon form decorated with at least a tropical flower wreath or had her replaced completely by a transforming Adult Tiki, Nowi, or even Nah (or give us a summer dragon Morgan?). The sea dragon version would have been much more fitting.
Halloween Myrhh’s dragon form should’ve been spray painted grey with heavy makeup to give her the appearance of a draco zombie.
Lute in a Ploy-Banner, Mia in Special Season Summon & Dorcas in TT+ at the same time. Last year in November there was the Less than Heroic SummonBanner with a TempestTrial with these Units, coincidence? I think not!
Time to trade my candy (Orbs) for Mia and Myrrh~
I’m not really looking forward to what Abyssal Robin’s map looks like, but otherwise I’m prepared to take them on. All I really want is that pimping Milter for my Wrys.
There’s no real incentive to play these abyssal maps when all you get are arbitrary cosmetics.
The nice thing about Abyssal maps are that the only things you get are an accessory and bragging rights, so people who don’t want accessories or don’t want to take on the challenge can skip them with lttle remorse. I’d imagine there would be a lot of frustration if they gave out Orbs instead.
When you put it like that, I suppose it’s not all too bad. But at the same time, it’s functionally useless and leaves me with less things to strive for in an already fairly weak game.
No game will ever be without its flaws and it’s hard to depend entirely on one game to satisfy your cravings, so the best thing to do if you find yourself wanting more is to find yourself an additional game to play that hopefully has what you want. FEH seems like it’ll be in the market for the long run, so just waiting for more fulfilling content to come by is alright too.
I guess that’s true. I was mostly busy being ticked that it didn’t come with a 5S GHB Unit like I’d initially hoped.
I’m happy with anything somewhat difficult, to be honest. The game is either quite easy in PVE or luck/money related/prohibitive in PVP (arena). The abyssal maps keep me busy for a while every time.
Aaaaaand sadly, the GHB abyssals are quite easy. Even Robin’s is rather easy if you have a strong red mage (i used H!Nowi +1).
As I mentioned before around here, any map without reinforcements ends up being rather easy. Let’s see what happens with Legion, Valter and Takumi…
“no real incentive” you mean other than looking dope as hell?
Caring about that rather than gameplay substance sums up the state of this community.
I agree with you. IS should, at least, give us another 4* copy of the hero as a reward… plus the golden accessory
I find it funny that Tana’s refine give infantry and armor synergy considering the current, armor dominate meta. Hopefully this is foreshadowing an update that makes a much needed change to the arena score that will actually encourage mixed teams and discourage pure teams.
I could care less about these gold accessories after clearing the accursed Abyssal maps! All that matters to me is pride of glory!
Got spooked by Myrrh and Mia in my first summon round, that means more candies for me~
congrats man
those are the two im trying to get
The game is trying to tease me by giving me the regular Niles and Kagero in my first round of summons. Fortunately, I have plenty of Orbs to use that were leftover from Legendary Tiki.
I’m hoping 3.0 comes out soon and contains meaningful updates that freshens up and fixes modes since otherwise this calendar is just more of the same auto pilot bore. There’s only so much I can do to try and keep things interesting as things are now.
I don’t disagree with you in the slightest, but at least they have stepped the pace up so there is not so much time with nothing on.
I still haven’t got a Myrrh despite her banners. Free pull this morning? Blues and colourless.
Interesting to see that we aren’t getting more seasonals. Two new hero banners are always a win!
For the smoke banner, there actually aren’t nearly as many candidates as one would think. Res and Def Smoke are locked behind seasonals/legendaries, so that just leaves Sigurd, Brave Lyn, Flying Nino and MAYBE Kaze. Pretty good banner!
For Drive Attack, we have Micaiah, Cuan, Delthea, and Leif. No matter who they don’t choose, Blue pool will be crowded.
Looks like a skip month for me!
I forgot this site featured other news besides stuff on a mobile game. lol
Sounds really cool, hope the audio quality will be better than on GBA though.
HOLY
Welp…I know what I’m dropping money on this december.
Finally gonna get the best player phase track, Western Isles remastered?
Jesus christ, I hope those CDs will be available on CDJapan like the others. I know what I’ll get myself for Christmas this year!
(Wait, I already preordered some FE items on Amiami that are scheduled to release this December too, dang, this Christmas is going to be expensive.)
So we’ll be able to listen the soundtrack at good quality without it being added to FEH, at last. The music on Youtube is ripped directly from the game and there’s always a constant background sound.
With the Brazen Atk/Res Seal on my Halloween Myrrh, it´s so cool to fight against Halloween Henry in Tempest Trials+~
a bit of luck
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As a Tana fan, I must say congrats. Hope you have some good IVs after so many pulls!
And to make it better for you in particular, we get a free Marisa soon too. Very nice week for you!
Thanks man! She’s my second favourite after Marisa. I had 280 orbs saved up but decided to go for these extra merges instead of seeing what the new banner will introduce. The two I got here were +spd -res and +def -spd, and while the first one is fairly optimal, I like her tanky nature so I kept my +def -hp in the wait for something like +def -atk
wow, congrats.
I’ve never had 3 5*s in the same round.
Finally! Maybe I’ll be able to get another merge for my Marisa!
I know a lot of people don’t really care about her, but please, at least do it for me, I need those merges (plus Infantry Pulse fodder for everyone who doesn’t care about her)! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a43453e482be485b061a85bef82acb4200904ea7478535a0824d94898b48e7ff.jpg
you’re not alone in that. SFs resident Marisa fanboy here. I don’t have summoner support on her tho since Sheema utilises those extra stats better for me https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8f454ad27f13965f46cb22487785245720a8de0ca473c4038f5941fd2f539349.jpg
We should start a cult around Marisa, haha.
Jokes aside, I haven’t used Sheena that much so far, but she’s one of my merge project for sure. I have like 7 Sheena waiting to be promoted already, I just need the feathers. :v
And I’d love to give Wrath to my Marisa but I only managed to get one Nephenee and one Karla so far and I don’t really want to use them as fodders…
Definitely, and what we’ll pray to is my $400 Marisa themed GBA xd
I for one was happy to sacrifice my Neph to give her wrath, as I did with Ishtar and her OAW. I’ve given her a lot of things, like steady blow/breath. But regarding Sheema, she can be an absolute monster. I was so happy at release when I noticed that she would be in the base selection, since she is a mildly obscure character after all. Along with Marisa and Kleine, she is one of my favourites and was actually my second 5*, and is now one of my two 5*+10 units. I’d definitely recommend that you build her if given the chance, since she’s extremely versatile.
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I’ve never been a fan of her, since I usually prefer Joshua and Gerik as sword units, but I find her in Heroes actually pretty good? I don’t know, every time I’ve used her for Arena bonus she has perfomed very well both as an attacker and as support.
Yeah, I usually use all three of them. :v
She can be pretty good in Heroes, she has a lot of HP so she can give the Infantry Pulse boost to almost any infantry unit. With Fjorm on her team during water season my Marisa can reach 60 HP and 47 SPD for example. :v
I don’t care about Marisa but I will help you to get your unit to +2, after all, my infantry team is my favorite one.
I’m liking the GHB and TT units being rewards, Hinata was a very underwhelming reward. If these Hero Fest become more common, I’d like for more of these kinds of units. Many GHB and TT units have the potential to be very good, but are held back merge potentials. Though, that isn’t to say I’m against a 5* exclusive unit as a reward…here’s hoping unit 4 is something super special awesome.
Agreed, I’m in need of more Narcian for my own personal Merge project, and wouldn’t say no to basically any other GHB/TT Unit being given out either.
So much from Sacred Stones~
But what I find strange is in my notifications about Grand Conquest, they write this event is on the continent Jugdral from Fire Emblem Echoes: Thracia 776 (I play on an German account). Well, thats more Reinhardt for me~
I just want to mention how we have 2 banners with normal myrrh and 1 banner with a alt. version of myrrh right now
Hm… I wonder if IS wants us to get myrrh
I got a Myrrh! Thank goodness for this banner because I have been trying to get her since release. Now if I can only get one of the halloween units…
I do not have normal myrrh but I got the Halloween myrrh
dos stats are amazing
Got her now in a summoning! Now she´s part of my Amagaitaro-Team~
We did it guys! I’m so happy.
They should give us another one for reaching the goal so fast. :v
Only Loki particularly interests me, but I’ve got my hands full with the two Halloween banners so I’ll probably try to pull her on a later banner. Kliff and Owain don’t interest me too much since I’ve already got enough blue mages and red swords.
Totally agree – The Halloween units are more fun, and there are only so many orbs! I was hoping either she or standard Veronica might be a freebie unit with the launch of book 3. I hope there will still be one, hopefully as useful as Fjorm. Still, Aversa is going to be a fun unit to play with.
I’m really happy that they did Kliff and Owain justice here. Kliff’s weapon animation looks spot on from Echoes, and Owain looks to be pretty good but not terribly broken. Let’s just see what his stats are first. 25 special damage isn’t too crazy when a 40 Def unit with Ignis deals 32 special damage.
Especially since other 3 cooldown skills like Luna can easily net you almost that much against the top tier armors without having to worry about ally positioning. It’s not gonna be a particularly good skill for Owain but I appreciate IS thinking of new special ideas.
I wanna get Kliff’s A-Skill on my Sheena, it’t so much better than Fort.Def 3 what I put on her~
Kliff might be our first good tanky mage (discounting armored ones of course). He also might be the first unit ever that being a -Atk is a good thing with how his base kit seems to be setup…pending how his stats are of course. Loki carries on the trend of IS being transparent over their money gluttony with even more 5* exclusive duel skills. Owain looking to be a tanky sword, which is a nice change of pace from the abundance of speedy swords we’ve gotten lately.
By default, Kliff has +9 Def and +6 Res (from his tome and A-skill), which is great! Not only this, but +5 from his tome’s effect makes him reach +14 Def and +11 Res, and if Kliff doesn’t have a Atk super bane, +5 Atk will nullify the -3 Atk bane and -2 from Fortress Def/Res.
I still want Halloween Mia, but that Kilff… I don’t need Loki because Veronica exists. She doesn’t even come with DS, while she has it in some maps.
I relate to this
I think that Aversa will have either Goetia or Aversa’s Night as her weapon skill.
Kliff is my favorite character from Valentia games. Loki is simply a story character. Owain is finally here… but I still want mia and henry… I don’t know what to do!
Owain FINALLY being in the game almost makes me want to play again.
Owain was overhyped. Especially since Blue Flame is inheritable, but even then it’s rather bad for player phase. His stats are rather okay for a sword unit in this day and age. I’d say he’s around Leif’s level
Aversa’s Night is a continuation in the pattern of cool ideas that could be good, but won’t be good because it’s ineffective against the armor dominated arena meta.
Also, not surprised that IS decided to keep the Duel skills 5* exclusive…not surprised, just expectedly disappointed.
I’m still hyped for her!
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m excited for her as well. It just disappoints me to see all the effort IS puts into there new abilities go to waste because they created a monster of a problem. In the end, you’re going to likely see all the optimal Aversa builds say to go with Blade Tome because her prf tome is going to be far too niche to deal with armored enemies.
She’s good casually
I wonder if IS is planning to give Veronica out eventually through story mode. They don’t seem to have problems anymore with the original Heroes units being added to banners, and though she did get Brave version, she’s technically still the highest voted NPC in the game.
Still can’t believe my waifu Aversa is finally here! 🙂
for some reason or another I find this GHB to be actually difficult (at least infernal)
But she seems like a great unit
Enemies charge turn 1? Check.
Hordes of reinforcements turn 1? Check.
Crippling tome on a ***71*** HP unit? Check.
Extremely limited space for manouevre unless flying, connecting with the previous point? Big fat check.
Shaken not stirred, here you are.
Very cute event very harem anime! 🙂 also love the accessories for this they’re awesome!
Yes, YES…fight for my affection!!!
Loki and Aversa are fighting over me… …Yup, this is definitely the best “plot” yet.
I spent a few orbs and managed to pull my 3rd Ishtar and now she’s +2 so good times.
Team Delthea here! You can do it!
If I haven’t got Nino before, my Orbs would get smoked too! But this is such a classic bait banner at the end of the month~
What luck, I got Nino on my free summon
Well this banner is really good imo,. Gonna be gunning for all but Sumia as I don’t really care for her. Ephraim to hopefully +10, Innes cause I don’t have him, Genny for the same reason, same with B!Sanaki, L!Lyn, F!Grima, S!Tana and Fly!Olivia, M!Grima for not only +10ing but also to get better ivs cause the one I have right now is -ATK.
I for one am glad they finally acknowledged the requests everyone’s been making for more RD and Binding Blade characters and can think of at least three that should be in already, Edward and Nolan from RD cause they’re pretty popular to use (even though Mia quite honestly blows Ed out of the water and I myself prefer Boyd over Nolan) and Lugh from Binding Blade since both his mother and brother are already in (as well as one of his potential fathers) though I can’t really think of anyone else for Binding Blade except maybe its “Christmas Cavaliers” Lance and Allen.
I was thinking more along the lines of Yoder with Aureola, Niime with Apocalypse, Perceval and Melady.
Yeah those four can work too, may as well stick Hugh in there to complete Canas’s family (since he’s already in the game may as well add his mother and son).
I mean in a way when you think about it, a lot of characters that get married and have kids are already in the game, Nino with one of her two potential husbands as well as one of her twin sons, Bartre, Karel, Karla and Fir, Eliwood with two of his potential wives in Ninian and Lyn and Roy, Hector with two of his potential wives in again Lyn and Florina and Lillina. And the list could go on
We also have any of the 3 thieves, 3 nomads, 2 wyverns, the other 2 pegs, 3 mercs/heroes, any of the millions of cavaliers. FE6 also has some good Camus-archetypes like Murdock, Brunya, or Gale. FE6 still doesn’t have half of their characters yet…there’s plenty to anticipate.
Hmm, yeah thats true. Guess we won’t know till March of next year. Same with RD in January, I’m honestly 50% certain at least Edward and Nolan will be in and I know lots of people want Jill and Haar in so thats two more potentials to rep the new RD banner. Who knows, maybe we’ll finally get some Laguz characters from the beast tribe and bird tribes (we technically have Laguz type characters for dragons and honestly we don’t need anymore dragons). Personally I’m hoping for Ranulf cause I like him, especially in PoR since he was teasing Ike and Elincia on the chapter he joins.
Well, at least I know when to spend my orbs, but it’s ridiculous the amount of characters from some games. And I thought they were planning a Binding Blade remake, so they should start promoting it.
We still have Three Houses to come out in spring so it’ll be a good while until we actually get a Binding Blade remake; most likely 2020…so they don’t need to worry about promoting it anytime soon. As far as reps go, I personally want Lugh added so I can have the whole family together.
What if they want to make a Binding Blade remake combined with all the Units from the manga Hasha no Tsurugi?
That would be perfect~
Would be fun if instead of M!Grima Amelia took his place for more Sacred Stones summons~
Radiant Dawn banner appears like this years one with Micaiah in January, does this safe say I have at least every year a Tellius banner?! Nice~
Most people… Erika! I must get her! oOOOo and those heroes look good as well
Me… M! Grima! I must finish my +10! Forget those other punks
So they acknowledged people’s feedback about heroes from the two games missing and banners are coming. That still means they weren’t planing them by themselves for sooner. Which is kind of sad. And II haven’t played neither of them yet, I just appreciate diversity in FEH.
Which brings me to the point that second red Eirika in one year when the red pool is so stuffed with important characters that have to yet get their first alt… waste of red legendary spot imo.
While your points certainly have merit, I would still like to offer the glass half-full perspective. IS is listening to the fans. For a few months it seemed like they only listening to QoL matters, but they are expanding their range to account for more criticism. I am sure that 3.0 will likely fix many problems that people have.
Banners take a good 6 months get ready, or so we can project that at least RD was already in production. I do agree on Binding Blade, though.
Yeah, it takes how long to produce banners? Four to six months or like that? They only remembered that FE6 and Tellius were missing like a couple of months ago. Awesome.
No what I wanted!
Got Legendary Eirika on 2nd red pull with the best IVs! the gods must know she’s best girl that I like!
Spent 9 orbs and got a Summer Tana. Her IVs are terrible, but I can at least give her “Atk/Spd Push” to my Veronica now. I think I’m done with this banner. I’ll just save my orbs for Christmas.
It’s a crime that Ilyana isn’t in this game yet and that they dared make a thunder magic themed voting gauntlet without her. Putting Delthea and Linde in just because they start with the magic or are able to use the magic is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Oh boy, can’t wait to play as Cordelia´s spirit
I need to say… the “Spirits” is a lazy concept… Now I understand why we are getting Smash this year… it’s because Nintendo didn’t have the work of doing new 3D models for new trophies.
It’s lazier but it allows for many more characters to appear. It also gives them a purpose, since before I would basically never look at my trophies and just move on, maybe grab a picture of all of them to brag to my friends about how much time I’d spent. Spirits at least allow for use in battle, and I’ll consider a variety of them so I’ll get a decent look at most of them.
Nintendo could use Trophies instead. Allow trophies for use in battle.
They used the existed artwork so they don’t have the work to create 3D models. I will be ok if at least the spirits have similat desctriptions to the trophies.
That’s a lot more development, boo
That’s why I said the “Spirits” is a lazy concept and why we are getting Smash this year.
Lazy though it may be, if you think about it the Spirits are similar to the stickers in Brawl and equips in Wii U/3DS with the usual buff to one stat but debuff to its opposite to balance it out (though that only really applies to the equips from Wii U/3DS). Personally from all that they’ve revealed I’m definitely looking forward to it now, wasn’t interested at first cause I didn’t think it would be this ambitious with ALL of the returning fighters and some new ones along with the eventual DLC (I mean come on who didn’t see that coming?) which I’m pretty sure one of them is gonna have one of the Three Houses characters, a stage from the game as well as the music for promotion of Three Houses like they did with Corrin for Fates.
And that Story/Adventure mode looks like its gonna be fun if not frustrating for some of the later fights.
Well… not get me wrong, I am looking forward for World of Light too, and the spirit battles look fun. It’s just the reuse old artwork that bothered me.
Also, what is the reward for completing Classic Mode? A spirit of the fighter?
Understandable. Newer artwork is better but I guess some would appreciate the original artworks.
I imagine getting challenged by some of the characters would be at least one of the rewards since its been like that since the N64 days, not really sure outside that. Probably some new music for the various stages and maybe some of the stages themselves if you use certain characters. Won’t really know for sure till the game comes out next month.
This gives me hope- perhaps Palla will get her very own weapon someday…
Welp good thing I upped Florina to 5* since she’s part of my main flyer team as a pseudo healer of sorts, her new lance will definitely help her out. Hopefully it’ll have at least the killer effect so Iceberg/Glacies or whatevers on her can activate quicker. And maybe something to bump her res up even more cause she is quite tanky in terms of taking on mages that aren’t green.
tfw still no exalted falchion refine
Probably ramping up merch for three houses’ realese coming up less than half a year from now
I love that IS has basically given up on naming half of these weapons and have opted to just go with X’s Weapon. No hate, just hilarious.
Localisation team works strictly on memes.
Delthea noooo! Well, going for her rival now~
rip Delthea!
you may have collapsed under Reinhardt, but he’s still better than linde
Delthea, Reinhardt & Micaiah are my strongest and favorite Blue mages in FEH!
Micaiah also being my first lord ever~ (yes, I played FE from 10 to 7 in this order)
Am I the only one who’s starting to get absolutely sick of Reinhardt?
Nope I don’t get why his meme is still a thing or why it was popular….
His easy accessibility is probably the biggest reason why he’s still prevalent as a meme. It’s really easy to merge him since he’s available even at three stars, whereas most of the units that counter Reinhardt like Sigurd aren’t as easily accessible for most people. I still see a ton of Reinhardts in Tier 20, and my own Reinhardt is used so often that he’d have tens of thousands of accumulated merit points if the counter went up that high. Unlike certain other units like Takumi who were also immensely popular when the game was in its infancy, Reinhardt has never gotten any worse at what he does and so far no units have come along that either eclipse him or outright renders him totally moot.
He’s pretty much become Chad Thundercock for the FE fanbase now, and even today there’s still plenty of Reinhardt memes circulating around.
Remember that last’s years was 18mins long and was packed full of updates and details so they could do the same in 13. But regardless, keep your expectations tempered. This is a vital FEH Channel for IS to nail the landing for, I hope they succeed in revitalizing player interest cause otherwise I’m worried it will result in the death of FEH…it’s sink or swim.
Still better than a lot of the rest, Star Ocean, Knights Chronicle… I do keep coming back to Heroes but the map reuse on Blessed Gardens etc is tedious… I still do them for the rewards though
Expect another arena changes to encourage spending orbs for new heroes
The alternate text for the image says 2.11
When you have all of them but with one of the worst banes possible (-atk Micaiah/Quan and -spd Leif).
I have a good Micaiah at least, but a bad Quan and no Leif.
As always, the new Banner will be announced in detail because that’s the last event from October/November Calendar.
It would be cool of them to add Beaststone units… but maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
Some kind of player interaction is needed to revitalize the game- other than that, any content will just keep the veterans busy for an hour at most and the newbies will save it for later, when they get better units. It seems that there’s no in-between now..
Huh, I got another +Res-Def Michaiah from the free summon what are the odds.
yikes
I’m all for more Fates units, but did it have to be 3 alts to 1 new? Camilla’s my favorite FE waifu, but now she has the same number of alts as Lyn, and it saddens me to see all the hate.
Well it wouldn’t be the Fire Emblem community if they’re not making you feel ashamed about the things you like now wouldn’t it?
sigh…tis the cross we must bare.
It shouldn’t really be this way…..not like it obviously will affect my any I’m sure alot of others enjoyment of this.
I don’t hate Camilla, but I just wish they would stop forcing her into themes she doesn’t fit in.
First there was the Hoshidan-themed New Years banner, and now there’s this Valla-themed banner. Perfect time for a more fitting unit, yet they squeeze in Camilla anyway.
Camilla is very culturally enriched
Ehh the New Years Banner was basically a “Japanese festival banner”, so not really. However, I agree here she has no reason to exist.
Every signal that comes from people (are they positiv or negativ) and they talk about and it spreads further, the more attention it gets, which is why there are so many alts I think. It´s a sign that people care and the other side will respond accordingly. One way to keep it down is just not give attention to it. But people will find this out themself~
I’m having a hard time understanding what you’re saying, especially the first sentence but anyways; Cynically speaking, of course showing hype incentives them to make more alts of popular or “attractive” characters. Also, you’d think because of the back lash they’d also consider not doing it. That last sentence is also kinda pretentious and somewhat hypocritical since you’re feeding into said “hate and hype” train.
I see what you mean. In short I wanted to say if you talk/write alot about a character, they will come back or so.
I’m gonna delete Camilla
oof
I like how they look similar as Azura~ This is truly the year for Flying heroes, because they appear always as last in banner introduction like a cherry topping!
Examples like Laegjarn, YT!Olivia, Summer Camilla & Tana, SF!Nino, WF!Hinoka, Spring Kagero, (NY!Camilla because New Year).
Five alts out of five units in the batch.
These madpeople did it.
Sigh.
So I’m guessing that FE6 and FE10 banner announcement was damage control
Yep, I was already expecting this (Awakening, actually). And it still managed to disappoint me. I mean, 3 alts?
Mikoto is an alt to her non-existent actual self, too. And then there is an alt for Azura as the tempest reward.
5/5 alts.
haha fuck off
I was never going to pull in a 3DS banner either way, but this seriously sucks for those hoping for unrepresented characters
There are so many characters they could add, but they keep exhibiting signs of running out of ideas. Sigh
You’re missing the point if you think they do alts for any reason aside from tried and true cash grabbing
If it were a cash grab then at least they would have gone for popular characters *people actually want*
but does anyone else have the sheer… PRESENCE camilla has?
They easily could have replaced Camilla with even the likes of Elise since she has supports with Azura and has access to the Malig Knight class. My hopes of Mikoto with a dragon slaying bow are even more distant now, unfortunate.
SECOND free dancer?! Who was the first?
Olivia from hero battle
I’d be very excited if Azura was cavalry…
+10 Aversa here I come…wait, she’s not there? Guess I’mma gonna just save up until they add her then.
Chances are that the video was recorded before Aversa was even released. She should be here when it goes live.
I hope so, anyway.
She is not:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441867173250596880/510001352370290708/Screenshot_20181108-150307.png
Garon is the most recent available GHB hero.
That stupid grin upon his face…
He knows Aversa didn’t make it, and he’s happy about it
Even Thanos would smile upon that grin
Sadly not yet…… ;-;
Its possible she’ll appear later as her GHB did just end not like two days ago.
I can finally +10 my GHB/TT units FINALLY! the pseudo My Castle is alright but its pretty restrictive for now hopefully that’ll change as for the Book 3 teaser I’ll be honest I’m not expecting anything big out of it again since Book 2 let me down very much.
This is just a guess but considering that the teaser shows Sharena crying and reaching out to someone, that means either something happens to Alfonse or the Summoner or Sharena herself is being taken away by some unknown enemy and she’s crying for help. Of course it could be just about anyone’s guess at this point.
Maybe its fjorm, that way they can bring the main cast back down to 3 and introduce another stupid hero character.
oOOOo, maybe a hyper legendary hero that will powercreep armor emblem?
Maybe but who can say at this point? We’ll know once it goes live in December.
They have parents who have never been shown.
I would say Aksr gets rickrolled and at least one of them dies.
Actually the king was killed in book two, its already mentioned in one of the chapters but I forgot which one though its pretty early on. Its actually a similar scenario to FE 1/3 (book 1)/11 except no backstabbing traitorous allies in the mix, invading nation well invades, king deploys army leading it himself, army meets enemy’s army, gets defeated and king killed by enemy leader leaving his child(ren) and queen behind and if Surtur managed to actually invade Askr up to the castle itself it’d be a almost 100% copy of the first game’s story except he’d kill EVERYONE cause he’s just that much of a sadistic wretch, so no Sharena/Alfonse (and their mother) staying behind, getting captured in the process, while everyone else flees to a nearby island nation.
I kinda liked book 1 (first 9 chapters), and the beginning of book 2 wasn’t terrible (up to like book 5 and 6 being the last decent ones)
Knowing they are going to continue main story for years to come makes it pretty weak.
They need a strong, concise story, then they can make a second story completely unrelated to veronica
Again I wasn’t expecting much from a mobile game story (although other mobile games does is WAY better than feh) so I’m not really surprise by the end results.
Studio Ghibli´s Castle in the Sky anyone?
More Berkut´s Lance and of course Feh chooses Xander, because he is from Embla!
Well, time to grind I guess https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/211a9d605b46e71cdb7babea7c9f65ea52bc735842031ce19e6c6ac1f8b412ee.png .
same. this’ll take a while probably
Christmas Robin seems to be missing
He’s not a TT or GHB so thats why he’s not on the list.
Though I do wonder if a year or 2 from now if IS would add seasonal units to the pool. The question will be if there’s anything to loose by doing so.
Possible but I wouldn’t hold my breath on it.
Bartre got his axe refine as well, its effect : +20% chance of summoning… Bwa. Ha.
Can I just say, watching Feh lose and hearing her cry somehow made my day? The sadistic part of me was like ‘heck yes, see how it feels!’ which was very strange as I normally only feel sadistic thoughts about Severa.
Also, did anyone else look at Aether Raids and immediately see in their mind’s eye a team of apparently up to six Fallen Takumi barricaded behind a wall of buildings to ensure they could all be alive to trigger Skadi? Because that’s what I saw.
There’s going to be obvious abuses in in the system that IS will probably need to address in the future. In the end though, it’s probably going to just be more of the same arena meta we all know and love.
Another thing that would have made Aether Keeps interesting Is the ability to defend them yourself form AI attackers.
As is, it’s Arena 1.5 with most of the problems remaining the same…
Suddenly, the Adrift Paralog got more interesting story with just two sentences as the first half from Book 2!
Agreed. Book 3 has potential after all.
One of my friends pointed out that Kris’ R card doesn’t overlap into Marths’ at all, and speculated that we may also get Female Kris R with the exact same art, so you could swap either Kris out and still have the joined art.
That would actually be really cool! I’m still hoping that we do end up seeing F!Kris, even if we haven’t seen any actual signs of her so far.
This makes me remember that Kris still isn’t in Heroes, which is a shame. I know Kris is fairly divisive for some fans but having the original Avatar missing is weird.
My team with Male Dream Corrin, Mikoto, Kinshinoka and Ryoma is ready. Once I get Young Azura, Kinshinoka will leave the team.
I love how they keep throwing new Green Units at me to try and get me to use them, and they all end up getting switched back out by the end of the week. Nothing quite matches Brave Ike.
Kriiiiiiiiis my fav character!!
Tap Battle are like countdowns, near they end, a new Update is on the way. Thats what I always found interessting
38 Spd? I guess I’ll have to use Myrrh so she can’t double.
New Heroes, with alts of Chrom, Lissa, Frederick and a GHB of a second Masked Marth.
Seeing as the next banner ends on December 10th, I’m guessing that means we’re getting Book III the following day. The seasonal banner and re-run will either be mid-end of November or closer to Christmas, probably a week after Book III’s release.
That’s my personal thought as well. I guess we’ll see if it holds true!
A lot of great art here. I like the reclassing promotion cards
I don’t mind free orbs
I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for Intsys to start taking their merchandising seriously. They are losing so much money on not being able to even remotely keep pace with the demand. And when they release something, they usually use official artwork/feh cheebs we’ve all known for ages – that holds little value as a collectible. As for the chibi buttons, those are original at least, but every second vendor selling their fanmerch can do something visually more intriguing and creative.
Those pouches are the first really neat thing I’ve seen from them in a long time. Tape is nice too but then again, I’ve seen many fan-made that were much better.
Come one. Where are more figurines? Manakete, Grima, Laguz, Taguel plushies? The fans even create custom character plushies that look great! Metal keyrings with various motives such as Hoshido, Nohr, Askr, Embla, Nífl, Múspel emblems etc? Stickers, notebooks, folder files with NEW art? Come on, INTSYS, you don’t have to look further than Pokemon Company to get inspiration. Or your own fans… 🙁
I know what you mean, but I think IS are just testing the waters. FE has only gotten popular in recent years and it’s not as big as the likes of Pokemon, Mario, etc. Or even Animal Crossing and Splatoon. Plus the merchandise here are directly published by IS and they are a gaming and development company foremost. For figures and plush, we have to hope another company is interested in selling them and for IS to give em the license. That said, my memory is kinda bad and they may have self- published a figure before. Was it Camilla?
Surtr’s skill set is so disgusting dude why…
Because ez moniez.
He won’t be a legendary hero, because we just had Eirika last Month.
Hrid’s not in this, just so you know.
Though, I bet he’ll be GHB or Legendary unit now.
Well thats not cheesed a lot of people off…
Two Units only? That’s gross. I guess it’s time to break out the old feedback button…
On the bright side, fewer units means better chance of getting them.
True, the problem I have with it is the precedent it might set – what if we get a Banner featuring only two Grey Units? I’m certainly not going to go digging through colorless hell to MAYBE get the wrong Featured Unit, especially not when there’s no Featured option for another color. The only upside I’m seeing to this Banner is that if I snipe Red I don’t have to worry about a Featured Unit getting in my way…if you can call that an upside.
I don’t think that’ll be a problem. I don’t see this becoming the norm.
I see this as a special case, as they clearly wanted to tie everything with Book 2 up before Book 3 came.
They might as well have just given Surtr his skill that makes him impossible to damage.
Can we get a skip banner feature IS? Cause this banner is garbo…
None of the Adrift banner got demoted.
Well, what did you expect? These New Heroes from the Adrift Banner are Special Heroes, and Special Heroes are never demoted, unless that Special Hero is a Tempest Trial reward, a 4-Star Special Hero from the Tempest Trial like Young Azura.
“Time to change the furniture I guess… “- from Alfonse after pressing too many benches
Yay I got Ylgr… and of course she’s -Spd. GGs I guess that gives me an excuse to not hoard units too much.
I got fire Thanos!
…-HP +Spd…
I think you mean flame Ganondorf.
I’m glad they made Alolan Ganondorf a fire type.
Plot twist, it’s actually Alphonse going evil, the clip from the FEH Channel was Sharena trying to stop him but not being in time to prevent the still above.
IS is probably rehashing the “premonition” trope they used in Awakening and Echoes.
I had a feeling there would be a Book III at some point.
Plenty of ham and a big chunk of cheese served with Gharnef’s voice acting! Marvellous -I give it 8/10 Hamills
I really wanted Surtr. I spent a 150 orbs and managed to get 3 Hectors and 2 Ylgrs.
Nooooo, why Niles? This was our chance to get an Odin-Lazlow-Selena Joined-Art and we got freaking Niles instead?!
Odin and Niles are both Leo’s retainers, which is why they’re paired together in this card. The theme of the art is along the same lines of the Hinata and Oboro joined-art from last set.
Oh, I know, but that doesn’t make it any less annoying that I have to see his stupid smug face again as opposed to getting the Awakening Trio with a Joined Art, which they should have got back in Set 2 if you ask me. I’m also still waiting for Odin/Lazlow/Selena cards that can be Class-Changed from Owain/Inigo/Severa.
Sometimes, I wonder why Cipher hasn’t been localized yet. Maybe it’s due to the fact that we’d have a lot of catching up to do if that were the case?
There are many reasons that could be the case, but most likely it’s a combination of Japanese businesses being notoriously conservative, Japan being much bigger into TCG than the west, and and FE being a rather niche audience.
This Gharnef looks pretty handsome, IMO. Usually he’s depicted as borderline undead…
It looked like Veronica and the bro guy
I’ve been saving for months for Lucina, 500 orbs stocked and ready to go. And dang, that Blue pool is good! Glad to see the new Brave Heroes are making an entrance after all!
HOW UNEXPECTED.
Please, stop spaming Grima in every banner. I know she’s the only colorless legendary, but I need some variety (and wrathful/dazzling staff). I have a +2 merged and I don’t even like her.
Meanwhile, I’ve been trying for her and still haven’t gotten her. But I do agree that variety would be better.
Meh, aside from B!Hector, Gunnthra, Hrid and F!Grima this banner is a pass as I could honestly care less about the others.
Aww…and here I was hoping for a Surtr forging bond where we see him secretly be a tsundere.
Free Ryoma, aaannd…dip. Now I wait for v3.0.
I summoned 4 Laevatains… FOUR LAEVATAINS! I am done with this banner…
I got a -atk Hrid at my third orb, so I could return to the other banner and summon my +spd Surtr. IVs love me.
Since I’m obviously positive Three Houses will get more info and be release WAY before then I’m guessing what could show up noteworthy is Three Houses DLC at least either 1st or 2nd pack, possible Smash reveal for a Three Houses rep and/or Three Houses cipher card unveiling(which I find more likely). Either way something good will come!
We got all Book II characters, and still no Veronica or Bruno. They should have put them before, now there’s too much powercreep and Surtr is the ultimate game breaker.
I’d like to think Veronica might be a freebie like Fjorm, but Gunnthra wasn’t so theres no reason to assume anything special for book 3.
Do people even care about these OCs? I don’t see the point in trying for them since there’s no sense of attachment to any of them. The only good use I can see is that of passing on their skills.
I mean, the small child’s ok, and I’m leaning towards liking Laevatainn and have Laegjarn so…differs from player to player I guess. At least we have free Feathers upcoming, right?
It’s a real pity to lose the Fire Emblem Museum. Showed detailed information and artwork about every character in every game. I used to browse it when I was a kid. You call that “fluff”, but to lose it in favor of this modernized rendition that definitely won’t preserve any of it because casual audiences don’t care of it, just burns me.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I followed FEW since it was created and I used a lot of the original site for reference purposes. Maybe I’m optimistic but hopefully they’ll replace the lost content with something better. It is supposed to be a fresh start, but I know it sucks to lose the history they built up over the years.
I’m guessing that they’re all gonna be simple Prf versions of their base weapon with the Robins perhaps being a unique tome instead since they might end up with the same ability. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing so long as they actually get good refines…unlike Titania’s.
The only problem with Titania’s Draconic Poleax is that Titania needs to be in a mixed team. For a Tactic Team, she is great and very useful! But if the player doesn’t use her in a Tactic Team, she is not that good. She works pretty well with units like Legendary Marth, Laevatein or Blade Tome users. I use a Refined Titania on my Tactic Team, and she does the job.
Hmm, a TA effect… will that mean you need to field them together then? I wonder.
It would be the first time Heroes ever required a unit to work specifically with another. But all 3 are F2P from the Echoes quest so it shouldn’t matter really.
I don’t know how it will works, but I am sure it will not be like the main games. Also, I can see that all three Whitewings will need to have the refined weapon to trigger it’s effect.
I hope f. Robin gets a good upgrade – but the grails are just trickiling in! I really want some Christmas units though!
I got super giddy when I saw this!
I’ve been waiting for this for quite a while now
Fingers crossed it’s good
Ah, yes, Three Heroes continues to give me nothing but 450 Feathers, as always. Wish they’d do Units I actually use, though I suppose Olivia at least probably sees a fair amount of play.
At least its a few extra orbs – theres no excuse for such uninspiring units at this point
I’d like a free normal Veronica to round off book 2
Given that seasonals are usually tied to Paralogues and such, I think it’ll be a new hero banner with Christmas coming maybe a week and a half later or something like that. I think there will probably be some overlap.
I can’t believe the entirety of Europe falls into one single timezone
It doesn’t.
Called it wasn’t really expecting Three Houses big since I’m sure it’ll likely be out a month before then.
I gotta say, I really like that image they made for it. Even gender balance and all games in the series represented.
Well, except for Thracia. Jeez…even when they celebrate it’s anniversary they forget it.
“Because you can’t not have a Fire Emblem event without them” is a double-negative, Vince – it’s saying I can’t choose to not have a Fire Emblem event without merch, meaning I can’t have a FE event with merch.
Gosh, you’re right. It sounded so normal in my head, ahaha.
Wait… a Stage Drama? How that works?
But if it features Micaiah (Natsuko) maybe is something interesting for me… hehe.
It’s about time Leylea got the love she deserves.
Not sure I understand cause my english not that great
«new artwork for Brom and Kurthnaga. Neither of them have appeared in Cipher before either!»
I’m pretty sure Kurthnaga has appear in B05 as a R card
Oh look, even more OCs. What a surprise. スラシル is the only one who looks mildly interesting to me, but even that’s a stretch.
To be frank, this was extremely underwhelming. Seems like these mythical’s gonna powercreep the legendaries as well. Doesn’t bode well. Inclusion of Laguz is kinda cool, but that three range on a flier of Tibarn’s strength is disgusting.
Compared to the 2.0 update, 3.0 is very underwhelming. Yeah, the new beast units are going to be cool and were much anticipated, but 2.0 felt like a new era for FEH with its rebalancing of staves, daggers, and weapon refinery. What has 3.0 done to distinguish it from 2.0, I don’t see anything changing between pre and post 3.0. This should be very concerning since the month of Nov, FEH only made 66% of their monthly average.
But who knows, maybe there’s gonna be some undiscussed changes along side 3.0 that’ll change my opinion of things, but as things are now…I don’t see myself making it past the the 2nd anniversary unless some severe fixes are implemented by then.
It’s always fun to see the fanbase happy as usual.
Well, the one other way they could make up for this situation is if they made the next Tap Battle nothing but that death metal music from the Book III OP. That would make my day.
With Aether Raids bouncing in just one month ago, I’d practically consider November’s AE release to be a sort of ‘first round/beta’ release of it, with 3.0 being the “Full” Aether Raid version
basically the same boat here.
This game is greedy, so I wouldn’t expect much more to be done. Drop the game and your life will be enhanced 😀
I loved this game… but lately It’s been boring me…
I’m wondering if the fun has run out… and if I must fade away…
I deleted the game months ago. There really isn’t much substance to it and I don’t find myself wanting to play it (would rather play a series game). The only reason I know about these updates is because serenes is my news site
HOLY COW THAT ROY IS BEAUTIFUL
…Also Kurth already had a card, Kirie. First Volke and now him, you just not pay that much attention to Green or what?
Does anyone have any idea who that sketch card from S17 is? I wanna say Celica, but…that doesn’t seem quite right. I’m a touch worried about S17, yet hopeful. Could we finally be getting the set that appears Internationally, and it’s a reprint set so we get the important cards in today’s meta?
You’re both right. Thanks for the correction! 🙂
I’m pretty excited that Laguz are finally making it into the game, and it’s nice that Tibarn and Nailah will be the first to be introduced. Here’s hoping Ranulf and Lethe aren’t that far behind now.
The only complaint I have with this announcement is that Kozaki is drawing Book III: I don’t dislike Kozaki, but I was pretty excited back when it was revealed Book II’s characters would be drawn by Maeshima since I was under the impression each new Book would have a different artist in charge.
Yeah, I was expecting Ranulf, Lethe and Mordecai to be the firsts too. I mean, we’re starting with the most broken ones!
The artist should’ve been either Senri Kita or Sachiko Wada. You can never go wrong with those two, and they haven’t design any OC yet.
One question: doesn’t Hel appear in Thracia, in the Hell spell animation? I thought she would be part of the canon as a being you can make a contract with, like Medusa. But we’re going to beat her butt…
For what it’s worth, someone on Reddit beat me to the punch:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/a51q33/sidebyside_comparison_of_fehs_hel_and_the_tome_of/
If you want to see a visual comparison.
Thanks! I couldn’t find any footage (it’s Thracia), but she does look similar. Let’s wait and see what comes of this.
Poor Fjorm, at least she won the voting gauntlet on her way out as the face of the game.
I’ll miss her.
As long as they feed me with Alfonse content, I’m staying n_n They could finally give us a way to plus him and the other Askran units, though.
How do I purchase this stuff? please someone help!
Well, unless there is a Marisa alt in there somewhere I can safely skip all these banners. It has been a bit slow lately with actual new heroes, quite disappointing.
Nah, just a few more Camilla and Lyn alts lol.
And u know what! I would be happy with more Camila’s!
But even if people get what they want, they will still bitch.
With so much stuff ending on January 24, I’m hoping that means we’ll get another New Hero banner in the waning days of the RD banner.
We got 2 story chapters between New Years and Valentine’s in 2018. I don’t want that to change.
They are avail be for longer than ten days, from December 17th(PST) to the 17th of January. Closer to 30 days.
The Tempest Trial lasts 10 days.
I hope they confirm more Thracia 776 characters in Fire Emblem Heroes as a tribute!
I can’t help but think that’s just a single silhouette of someone with magnificent hair waving a large hat around.
that sucks rip my nibba
I’ve always been a fan of her art in Thracia, but I haven’t actually seen those recent TearRing illustrations up until now. Her art was always good, but it somehow got even better in the years after Thracia and those illustrations of Mahter and Kate look like they could’ve came from Senri Kita. What a shame that she died.
Her arts are very eye soothing, I will miss her very much.
Thank you, Hirota..
May you rest in peace.
https://twitter.com/FE_Heroes_JP/status/1074197936374898688
Cecilia is so beautiful oh my gods I’m crying aaaaaaaaaah
She is so beautiful in this costume, but her weapon is… weird… She could had some candy canes as daggers, but nope!
“Here, foes! Take some boots!”
“And to you I bequeath…a boot to the head.”
Best of the bunch and free to boot!
>to boot
I already made this pun elsewhere, haha.
Has to be done – its our solemn duty to humanity.
Ephraim and Eirika are dangerously approaching the Camilla/Lucina line. And that Cecilia is my saviour, since I don’t have nor I want any of the bonus units.
Eh, while that may be true I’d take the Renais twins over Camilla and Lucina any day. I for one am happy that IS is finally using different characters rather than constantly reusing Awakening and Fates characters cause I’m quite honestly tired of seeing characters from those games, especially Camilla.
But two Eirika in two months…Do we really need this? I’m sick of seeing her face now and it’s a shame because her art is so nice.
Well the feelings mutual for me towards Camilla, minus the “good art”. I’d rather cute face Erika over “Lol boobs” Camilla any day. And I can bet you anything that if Camilla were in place of Erika, NO ONE would be whining near as much about her as they are with Erika, cause Camilla just had ANOTHER alt about the same time as Erika.
Camilla came a bit later but I was just as salty about her third 2018 appearance as I am about Eirika’s. I really believed Ike and Soren would make it this time… As a parallel to Chrom and Robin. I don’t need neither more Camilla, neither alter Camilla (read: Kagero), Lyn, Lucina or Eirika… I’m tired of them.
Well while I don’t mind another Ike alt, he’s already got three alts as is and no doubt some will be bitching about him getting another alt, and though I don’t care for him cause of his personality and attitude towards everyone not named Ike or Greil, I wouldn’t mind Soren getting his first alt. Lyn I can understand no one wants more alts for her, and though I’m a fan of her and her game as well as Hector, those two can take a backseat for a little while and let poor Eliwood take the spotlight for once (yes I’m aware he already has an alt in the Valentines version but even his son has more alts than him and thats just sad).
Ike has only two alts but yeah. I just thought a Tellius Santa banner seemed very plausible and he would be getting only second alt this year which is still one less than Ephraim this year :/ I’d love more Eliwood but Seliph or Sigurd or Alm should get priority 🙂
Well the reason I say Ike has three alts is cause I’m counting his regular self as well as his Legendary and Brave selves, so while yes he technically has two alts his normal version is imo an alt too. I mean look at Lyn, she has her regular self, Bridal, Brave, Legendary and Valentines so she technically has 5 alts. See where I’m going with this? Cause the originals are in the game as well as the other alts but everyone seems to forget about the originals and don’t bother to count them amongst the alts for a certain character.
Sure, I understand. I am just using different wording, is all. When I say he has 2 alts, it also means 3 instances 🙂
Eh, whatever floats your boat I suppose. Also I apologize if I came off as rude as that honestly wasn’t my intention. But then again this is the internet and its rather hard NOT to possibly sound rude and whatnot.
Don’t worry, that was a perfectly okay opinion exchange, it didn’t even cross my mind 🙂
Glad to hear. ^_^
I am also happy to see a special banner without Fates/Awakening units, but Ephraim and Eirika again? Ephraim is just like Hector: both have a normal version, a legendary version with a different form of their main weapons, a seasonal version with, again, a different form of their main weapon, and a Brave form but with their weapon types swapped. And Eirika just got her Legendary Version. This is like Lyn and Robin again, which we got LA!Lyn and Male Grima in february, and then 1-2 months later we got Legendary Lyn and Female Grima.
…
I am still shocked we got the results of CYL 2 in february, telling we would get Alts for Ephraim, Hector and Celica, and in the same month we got Alts for Ephraim (legendary), Hector (love abounds) and Celica (fallen).
Well I’m not gonna complain. Yes Erika just had an alt not too long ago but so did Camilla. And let me ask you this: who would you rather have more of? Camilla for like the billionth time (I’m exaggerating yes I know) or Erika who has less alts and none that are seasonals?
I for one would rather a seasonal Erika over like the fourth or fifth seasonal Camilla.
I’d rather have neither.
None of them is welcomed from me. Even Marth, which is a character that I love, I wouldn’t like to have a 4th Alt.
You’re right, while not an actual fan of the twins, I still prefer them over Awakening-Fates. That’s why I don’t desire their overusing, though. Every character deserves their chance to shine, and since main characters are Legendary/Mythical material, these alts should focus on more secondary characters.
True. Hopefully IS will realize that and not constantly overuse Awakening and Fates characters. Honestly I hope for some Tellius characters for New Years in preparation for the RD banner coming out next month.
So? More popular characters will reach it this isn’t new for gacha games or did you not realize that already….
If only the games where she worked in received more love in the west… I got the feels whith those images in Thracia’s credits. Rest in peace, you did a very good job.
How about IS honor her memory by actually making a REAL Thracia banner in Heroes?
As in, not making half of it Reinhardt and Olwen re-runs.
More alts for those with enough? More seasonal armors? And here I thought IS would try something new…jokes on me.
You gotta wonder what’s in those Santa outfits that make them so bulky to be considered armour.
Perhaps this is actually a running gag on IS’ part and all Christmas heroes are only ever gonna be armours.
Perhaps, but it is a shame since it would be nice to see heroes riding into battle on a reindeer. But then again, as the meta stands, horse units are pretty much worthless in the arena and fliers have very niche utility.
kneekicker easy
A real shame indeed and all too sudden. A pinnacle in the industry. I’ve always been searching for more direct or in depth information about her, as much as on Kaga as well. This article has been the most details I have found on her, aka nothing new.
Her decade old tenure as in-between animator or Key Animation is highly overlooked. As all those years animating gave her the ability to give Kaga and the Fire Emblem series a jump start to their lacking illustrations.
Based on what is in the Anime News Network database, Hirota started in the 80s in the Crusher Joe movie, then jumped onto a Tezuka production with the movie Baggy. From there she went to more high profile names with Mobile Suit Gundam, Urusei Yatsura, Dirty Pair, and a series I’m not familiar with but seems popular called Mashin Eiyuden Wataru. In the 90’s, she animated a few unusual yet interesting titles with Here is Greenwood, Ocean Waves, and Licca-chan. These 3 anime were directed and/or written by Tomomi Mochizuki, whom probably crossed paths with or learned of Mayumi while he directed Dirty Pair and Urusei. Oddly, Licca-chan was 3 years after being produced. Mayumi still lent her talent to big name productions of Yu Yu Hakusho and Fushigi Yugi.
Mayumi Hirota’s final animation before retiring is most significant to me, Shinesman. As the armor and character design is similar to her original work in FE. Also, she seems to have drawn much influence from Here is Greenwood. Both were small productions so she probably had more leisure with animating the characters. Of all the FE illustrators, her designs were fairly simple, but the eyes and facial expressions were alive and complex.
This is a short biography of her. I plan to write a full one on my blog. I wonder if anyone can check, but I believe she had illustrated the Tearring Saga novels and/or the Berwick manga.
Pity broken by Olwin, B! Ike Deirdre and Katarina! So much for Xmas orbs, but as I didn’t have any of them they were all very welcome. I just wish I had a Santa hat accessory then I could pretend they were Christmas alts!
Pity broken by Surtr, at least it’s a good pity breaker. I guess it’s just me and Tharja again this year.
Lucked out with a Maribelle and a winter Tharja in both my free summons, not bad for not planning to pull in these banners.
Wow, that’s VERY good. I know you’re no Awakening fan, but that’s some good fodder right there, and one of them can be HM farmed in the current TT too. Very nice pulls!
Thanks! Yeah, I’m considering training her up just for this TT, even though I really dislike her. Might as well though since I only use one armour unit and that one already has VF. Maribelle on the other hand is one of few FE13 characters that I can actually stand, so I think I’ll keep her. Hope you got something decent yourself!
I nailed Tharja on a no-Green round while trying for Lissa last year so she was pre-trained this time around. Overall she’s pretty solid, only thing that even dented her the whole run was a Laslow who got buffed off of a Rally and I think a Drive, plus CC Units are always fun.
I do want myself a Tharja because she’s pretty and cute and I like her as a character. But alas, the gacha knows, the desire sensor is active, and I haven’t even got a vanilla Tharja, not to speak of the Christmas version. Sadness.
I got W!Ephraim and Kliff for my free pulls 😀 And then Grima while trying to finally summon Chrom.
hey that’s not bad! thought I would be the only only one with improbable luck lol. would’ve liked that eph myself
Glad Atk/Spd is finally a seal one of my most wanted stat seal!
Spent about 40 orbs to get Winter Eirika, +ATK/-HP. Not perfect, but thankfully not terrible either. I’ll hang on to the rest of my orbs for the next legendary banner. Hope everyone gets some good pulls!
Free pull was a neutral Fae. Even though I don’t care for this banner, maybe I can think of some super cancerous AR defense strat with her.
Time for me to complete my FE spirits collection.
Actually, Raven, as a Legend Class Spirit, Caeda and Azura will stay around for about 15 Minutes if memory serves.
I actually knew this but failed to include the information, thanks for the heads up.
Wait, Zelgius is a spirit in the game, but he doesn’t fall under this promotion? That’d be quite odd. Just picked him up and had to warn a friend who still hasn’t played Radiant Dawn that he might get a big reveal spoiled by Smash, of all games.
Don’t worry, there will be a Part 2 “next month.” Chances are, any missing characters this month will be included in part 2.
Too bad I already have every FE spirit except for RD Ike and female Corrin. Btw, does anyone know how I get these 2? Playing Corrin’s classic mode again didn’t help.
When did Fred get renamed to Friedrich? I much prefer Fred >.<
The card art is looking fantastic, as always. I will have to look into getting some 😀
I’m guessing it was in the Heroes CYL poll. I, too, prefer Fred, but we can always just think of it as a nickname. 😛
It’s bookofholsety who’d renamed him to Friedrich. He’s still Fred in the CYL poll (both of them but it doesn’t matter because they never updated Thite→Thea, for example).
The Thracia CYL names are utter garbage, however.
>Katarina became more popular lately after her recent inclusion in Heroes.
>recent
>Release Date 2017-06-14
Sadness.
It’s still a lot more recent than her FE12 appearance. :p
Went for another Innes merge but ended up with a Veronica instead, nothing to complain about there. This guy seriously needs a 4* version though.
Funny that they decided to include Lukas in here to ruin anyone’s attempts for Kliff. It clearly was intentional cause Seth also has Fort Def, and could have been the alternative.
The newest addition to the broken meta, complete with a side of salt.
I don’t care that it’s a character from Awakening or Fates, but that it’s a character that already has what 4 alts lol. They could’ve let say Aqua’s mother have this spot instead and that would’ve been way cooler than a 5th Aqua.
The Legendary Heroes are suppose to be characters that represent the series in a way. Yeah it’s another alt, but making a minor character a Legendary Heroes doesn’t make sense.
All that’s left now is legendary Xander to rep the best of the Fates games.
What about the 2 Corrin´s?
We’ll definitely get one as a legendary alt not to far down the line, and they’ll probably do it like they did the Robins where we get a regular banner with one and then a legendary with the other. Personally I think it would be cool if the alts were a staff wielding Hoshidan Noble for one and a tome wielding Nohr Noble for the other.
God I hate the Fire Emblem community so much
God I hate people with no foreskin.
FYI, there’s barely been any shaming, just disappointment and a dislike for the direction IS has been taking the game in this past year, and if there has been shaming then it’s a small minority that people like you use to generalize the community. That minority gives the community a bad name, but it’s only because of blanket statements being thrown around by insecure people to make themselves feel better.
Not even the past year, the past few months is what has me irate. Almost everything since September has been Fates and OCs.
Right, that’s why people haven’t been non stop complaining on how over rated the Fatesawakening & under appreciated Genealogy is. Get over yourself
There’s been Fates representation every month this year except June. That part is a fact. Anyways, people are salty this time not because of Fates, but 5 alts for one character.
Using reddit as something to support your point is weak. It’s only a FRACTION of the community that is active being only one platform and one of the websites that can be toxic because there’s barely any moderation for users, whom a majority are young hotheads. If you want plunge your head into garbage comments section then go ahead. Go to gamefaqs while you’re at it. Just look at reactions towards Gamepedia’s tierlist in the subreddit. It’s impossible to expect not so nice things from reddit comments. Sure, there are over 100000 subscribed, but how many of them do really participate in discussions of any topic. If anything people just use the subreddit for news or something. Don’t lump that 100000 together with the vocal minority
And what about youtube & this very website? If you got a better way to tell
Serene Forest might be the most welcoming website out there, but that doesn’t change the fact I’ve seen people complain non stop in the Heroes sub forum.
And why I should be angry about Azura having a 4th alt? All that timing argument is complete crap, Lucina didn’t have her 3rd alt 11 months later & her video is still one of the most dislike video out there. People have been saying that they would prefer Ghast as a legendary unit unironically.
The problem is that the silent majority is the vocal minority & I have yet to be convince otherwise.
???? Complaining is one thing, being toxic is another. If you wanna police people for having an opinion then go to authoritarian country. There’s disappointment and dislike for the decision in the Heroes forum here, but any shaming gets a user reprimanded, if there is any. Bad apples are rooted out and pulled like weeds over time in websites that care about their user’s experience in using them. And this forum has been around for a long time as well as the Heroes subforum being up for nearly two years. Heroes YouTuber’s and Twitch channels even have mods as well as being able to have automatic responses from bots regarding certain inappropriate actions.
You’re blowing things way out of proportions than what they really are.
Leif will never get an alt is why people aren’t up in arms about him getting 5 alts. Tho he is really popular in Japan.
You might be blind in that’s case. But I can’t stop you if want to keep on making ridiculously bold statements.
Bull, Youtube is nothing but comments talking about how Heroes is dying.
And I still haven’t heard why Leif having a 5th alt would be bad thing for me
Out of curiosity, why do you hate it?
Because no matter how much I sympathize with the GBA & Kaga era fanbase, they still come across pretentious. I wanted a Roy & Alm alt for the longest time & yet I can’t go anywhere without someone shitting on the 3DS era
Everyone wants to pick a god damn side, then I choose the 3DS. I’m grew up with Blazing Sword but I refuse to part of those elitist pricks anymore
That’s really a minority of the so called elitists. And if anything, full-blown toxic users get a ban here in the forums or are reprimanded by mods. I occasionally see criticism for 3DS era across legitimate websites, but rather mild ones
elitist is such a meaningless term thrown around by new fans because they rarely have good enough arguments to sway old timers’ opinions. everyone needs a label for the people they don’t agree with.
Except he’s stated he started with FE7, so I don’t see how he fits into the ‘new fans’ group.
did I mention him? I was speaking about the term.
Ah, my bad for assuming then.
Something Serene Forest does very well on
If mild criticism is enough to rile you up the I pity you. There is one active inappropriate user that comes to mind from over the years but they’re in a gray area. They don’t break the rules in a manner that can be considered “Illegal”, but are an annoyance to the mods due to that. Breaking your own rules to penalize someone you don’t like doesn’t exactly set a good image
Well, I’m sorry to hear that. I do see a lot of 3DS hate, particularly where Heroes is involved since it launched as a game featuring ALL of Fire Emblem yet we tend to see a lot of Awakening and Fates. Awakening was my first game, and Fates was my second, third, and fourth, so I do like the characters, but it does bother me how little some of the older games are properly represented – as I commented below, Legendary Roy when? Fjorm, Hrid, and Gunnthra bother me as well, because they took up spaces I felt should have belonged to characters like a Legendary Sigurd/Seliph/Alm/Celica/Micaiah/insert chosen FE character here. On the other hand, Awakening in particular did manage to save quite a bit of the franchise, and Fates, despite its writing issues, did manage to be a decent followup, so I get why they get as much rep as they do.
Awakening’s success was the worst thing that could happen to the series.
I thought having a Final Fantasy moment would make people realize how lucky this series has gotten but instead all everyone else wants to is just give crap to others.
This is everything I’ve ever wanted for this game.
Sweet, nothing worth pulling for yet again. When do we get Legendary Roy?
I wish I hadn’t pulled on the Xmas banner now…
Uggggh! I read Fiora and felt a mix between confussion and hype until I saw Flora. Please, correct it before it happens to someone else.
And Fates is overepresented, Eliwood need some love, IS please, blahblahblah…
Ack! Sorry about that i/l derp!
Well as nice as another flying dancer is, aside from a few select characters this banner is a skip for me. Hopefully (but not likely) IS isn’t gonna be stupid enough to use even more Fates/Awakening characters for New Years.
Only a free summon for me, Nino is the one I already have but Tiki and Hector… maybe next year~
Very interesting stuff merge allies has gotten a much needed upgrade also finally Sophia is getting her weapon upgrade at long last!!!!
If anything it might just be a powered Bladetome similar to WT!Olwen’s Thunderhead.
Yeah with a hopefully good added effect
Thank god the boon/bane system got addressed. After experiencing other gachas, FEH’s nature system is ridiculous in a gacha game making it double the RNG when summoning for characters. Attempts at fixing is good
Tailtiu refine is a godsend for me. Thank you
Oh boy, can’t wait for people to get piss off for the OC having alts
Eh, 3.1 is mostly Aether Raid updates which is fine if they can make it less cancerous, although Seliph, Julia, Deirdre and Tailtiu getting refines (and a new weapon for Tailtiu) is nice. But 3.2 is where its at, that merge update is gonna be really really great since it means we won’t have to worry about -atk or -spd “flaws” anymore since it’ll get fixed right up after a merge…can we just call the stats boons and banes like normal? I mean asset and flaw are ok but is anyone really gonna start using those terms instead when we’ve been calling them boon and bane respectively for so long?
I wonder if they will allow characters with “Evolved” weapons to get the un-evolved versions of their weapons at some point, since it opens up more options. Like Sigurd might want whatever the Tyrfing refine is if you aren’t dealing with Magic users.
kemoallen more
Dang my waifu Laegjarn’s not here ugh…..I probably might go Laevatein Múspell needs retribution one way or otherwise my other waifu Gunnthrá my girl! Also ABOUT TIME we can purchase some free new 5* from the banner I hope this stays a thing especially since I’m going red all the way and have Fjorm and Laevatein although neutral is awesome!
Check the Tempest Trials announcement, Laegjarn’s the free unit there. Our third free horse unit too.
Oh I’m DEFINITELY aware she’s my next +10 project got my custom skill set ready too!
Might as well save those grails then, I’m guessing she’ll be released there either in February or March at the latest.
Yeah lol it’ll a long while
$75 a pop? Couldn’t you just make it cheaper IS, maybe I’d actually consider it then, but that much for a character that I don’t even care much for is steep…hell, it’d still be steep if it were for someone I did want. But IS has gone full whale whoring at this point, so what else is new?
It should come with a special gold hat with ‘I have too much money’ written on it. Probably whale shaped.
Some of the people defending this saying “don’t buy it then if it’s so bad, it’s your choice” seem have taken notes from Andrew Wilson’s speech. Some people who waste their orbs resulting in nothing are going to buy those damn 75 dollar promos.
Anyways, I think they chose probably the worst orb package they could’ve coupled it with. You might think it make a lot of money because it’s based off of the most expensive orb package, but quite the contrary. The appeal of the orb promos was that you were getting a discount with some bonus stuff to boot for a cheap price. It’d have felt more reasonable for it to be 20$ or something. I understand that this is probably meant for whales, but it’s not as appealing as the monthly promos as they are for everyone.
I find it hilarious how one promo costs more than a AAA game. This game is a gacha, but from my experience of other gachas, a rather greedy and slow to improve one. All of the excuses of powercreep and cash grabs make the excusers sound like Feh is their only gacha they’ve ever played. The appeal of gacha games is collecting characters, not using busted characters in PvP. If only Feh could improve it’s story and how it presents summonable characters in story. Sinking ship at this point really if you look at revenue from last year and compare it to this one’s. From 300 mil to what’s predicted to be 200 mil. That’s a loss of a 100 mil.
I just saw someone trying to defend decisions related to PvP and… FGO and GBF make a lot more money without PvP. And most of their characters are original meaning that they don’t rely on nostalgia magets all that much when it comes to new characters.
That’s not entirely true about FGO- they do rely on sexualizing characters from 2004 (even when is strongly against their background), so while not as old as FE by any means, they do rely in a mix of nostalgia, fan exploitation and striping waifus for cash. Now, this is their business model and it works great- the sad thing is that FEH is in a limbo while trying to find a business model- they can’t go for the fanservice all the way because nintendo wouldn’t allow it, plus the prudish half of the fanbase would rage about it. They can’t go for a solid gaming experience because they seem to NEED to add mini money walls at every mode. It’s a shame really, because FEH gameplay is solid and you need to actually think and not just grind, unlike most gachas (at least for the abyssal and such) but I feel like it is already in it’s decline. They really should pay more attention to other gachas to see how they keep the interest from their playerbase. Heck that way maybe we could get a christmas present next year.
They don’t rely on nostalgia all that much is what I mean. Seasonals, sure. But most new characters are new with decent writing to introduce them to players. Some might be reskins, but of characters introduced in FGO. Saberface is a thing, but that seems to be an inside joke about the artist who designed her. FZ and FA are nostalgia cash grabs, but from what I remember those are from two events over the game’s entire lifespan.
People make fun of the fanservice aspects in seasonals that are ridiculous like Winter Tharja. No shame if you like her, but it’s funny how she’s an armored unit despite wearing a bikini.. Bikinis are rather fine from what I’ve seen if you make it so that you can’t make fun of it (it’s bikini armor, I swear). If you want to talk about reddit then that has something more to do with user moderation.
Problem with Feh is that Nintendo partnered with the wrong company. Other Nintendo mobile games flopped. And DeNA has a bad track record.
Dude, I didn’t recognize Gunnthra without her hat on so I was confused to who she was before she appeared on the video and started talking. I might go for all of these characters even though my main flyer team is somewhat solid, same with my horse team but it never hurts to experiment and try out different characters to see if they’ll work better.
Getting cute Fjorm and Laevateinn. Promos can go burn in a ditch. Luckily I have orbs gathered from two months
Yes! Fjorm and Eir give bonus! I don’t have to pull, then. Some of these units might be broken, though.
Time to earn my waifu can’t wait!
Hrid best Princess!
Agreed 100%
Although this year was a massive gap year for the series it was alright for what happened for me the exciting parts was the Three Houses reveal trailer despite no further info WAY since then and the Book 3 trailer with the new characters which I love all of them especially Eir and the new updates. I just can’t wait till the next direct for finally more about Three Houses and to finally play it one of my most anticipated games of 2019!
FE16 is the make or break point for me regarding the series. Either it has to do the new things it does exceptionally well (think CQ applied to new systems) or fully commit to what made the previous console FEs great. If we get another Awakening I doubt my opinion of the series will ever recover.
Well that won’t the case for me since I like every game and Awakening is one of my favorite FE game so it won’t effect me at all if it it does for you that’s too bad(not saying this part to insult you).
“If we get another Awakening I doubt my opinion of the series will ever recover.”
Because Echoes/Gaiden was the right direction.
Not sure where you’re coming from. Gaiden is a train wreck of poor design and terrible production.
Free NY Azura and free summon ticket Hrid, the new year’s off to a lucky start.
Happy New Year to all of you.
I always love those Cypher Livestreams~ And I am really hyped about Three Houses! And this time, I use every Unit in this game and don´t do a DLC army like my Awakening playthrough~
I am also really excited about 3 houses
the combat mechanics are something I’ve always felt like was lacking from the series.
I’ve noticed a tendency for this game to give me free pulls on the banners I don’t care the slightest over. I got a W!Fae on the last, and now I pulled a NY!Gunnthra on this. Irony is a cruel mistress.
Lucky! I think Gunnthrá is one of the best in this banner. My luck has been horrible lately: +spd Surtr, -spd Lewyn, -HP pitybreaker Loki, Lukas instead of Kliff…
Ah, and Happy New Year to all who read this.
Oof, hopefully things turn around soon enough. I remember back during Ike’s legendary banner my -atk streak started hitting me and went on through most of the year with only a few good IVs interspersed. Then again, the new merge update in Feb will definitely make things better from then on and some of those bad pulls I got can be salvaged.
Here’s to 2019 of FEH!
“Alright, let’s hope Heroes will do better for the new-“
*Hrid already has an alt one day into the year*
“…Welp, (censored) it.”
I got a NY!Laevatein!
I’m pleased 2018 was considered an FE gap year and I’m not the only one who isn’t easily dazzled by an app and some trading cards… To be fair (and not sound grumpy), I do love the new art some of my favourite characters of yore are getting with said app and cards. There’s plenty more obscure characters y’all could feature, Nintendo/IS…
Here’s a toast of hope for FE16/Three Houses! Looks like it’s got some cool new ideas to bring to the series a̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶g̶a̶r̶b̶a̶g̶e̶/̶f̶i̶l̶l̶e̶r̶
̶p̶l̶o̶t̶/̶w̶o̶r̶l̶d̶b̶u̶i̶l̶d̶i̶n̶g̶/̶M̶U̶M̶a̶r̶y̶S̶u̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶
̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶g̶a̶m̶e̶.̶.̶.̶ I think 2019 will be a good year for Fire Emblem. (Assuming no news since 2018 E3 is good news! Like fricking seriously, IS!! Y U NO UPDATE!!!)
I’m still a little surprised by these New Year’s seasonals. I guess I shouldn’t be — now is the time to capitalize off of them before they’re no longer relevant (presumably) in Book 3.
I only have Corrin sooo…Go Corrin!
What the…? A free Chicken Hinoka with her atk and spd untouched by those filthy banes. I feel like I’m going to be punished in the Tellius banner.
Every Game is here! Yes, even #TMS and Warriors are mentioned~
Caeda is my favourite bow cavalier.
This means there’ll be news about the game very soon, I hope.
Weird, Laura’s hair is dark green now… It was black in the previous artworks (https://serenesforest.net/gallery/radiant-dawn/ ) and brown in FE Cipher.
it’s definitely more black in the old art, but elements of it are a very dark tint of green
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Having both Leanne and Reyson introduced at the same time seems excessive, but I don’t particularly mind since I like both of them and Naesala is also coming too.
Tibarn looks to be really strong, as expected. I’d definitely be gunning for him, so I guess I’d better stop pulling on New Years.
F***. i totally forgot they were coming. i would have saved my orbs had i remebered. oh well.
I am so excited for this!!!! I have just over 800 orbs saved so I hope it’s enough for all of them…
OMG, I need all of them! The Tellius games will always be my favourites. I was shocked when I saw both Reyson and Leanne because I feared they could sing to more than one ally (when transformed, at least). Also “Life Returns”>>>>>>>>”Lost in Thoughts”.
Been waiting and saving forever for this. It’s kind of weird that the herons were given offensive weapons, but I guess that’s just part of the game. Naesala is just about my favorite character in the series, but I’m not sure if it’s a blessing or a curse that he’s a GHB reward
243 orbs and ready!
While I love these games, Naesala is the one I want the most from this batch, and he’s turning out to be free. I think I’ll keep saving for the FE6 banner.
I didn’t realize that Tibarn was a Lannister.
These are nice units and all, but IS really needs to focus on improving the modes. It doesn’t matter how high quality the heroes are if the modes you’re expected to use them in are still low.
IS hasn’t added anything new to the core gameplay since trenches way back. Rival Domains brought in “defend/attack the point” gameplay, but that’s never been applied to modes with narratives like the main story or Forging Bond. Forging Bond in particular is a let down since it’s just a bunch of Stratums that you auto battle through, but if there were special challenges that you unlocked along the way that connects to the story, things would be more interesting. Using the Forging Bonds that had Aversa, Kliff, Owain and Loki as an example; when Summoner was kidnapped, why wasn’t there a battle to rescue him in which you used a pre-set team of those five.
If I get Leanne, I’m definitely S ranking her with Naesala
So Tailtu’s tome has a wrath effect with a darting blow effect not bad.
To me it pales in comparison to Deirdre’s and Julia’s (now are on the Ultimate Dragon Counter team along with Alm and LMarth). I think I’ll stick with her rain tome capable of OHKO when used with tactics and waves.
Well Julia definitely got the best out of all of them Close counter against dragon units negates their ‘targets lowest def/res’ and other staff users wrathful effect rip.
I’d say Seliph got a good refine too not as great as
his sister’sbut still pretty good. I mean innate Miracle AND ATK/DEF Bond? Yes please, his defense is really good if he’s +DEF and his attack while not great is decent and that ATK/DEF Bond refine just makes him a defensive monster almost on par with the armors as well as gives him more killing potential. And even though it’ll only kick in once per fight, Miracle means you can heal him back to full if your healer is still hanging around.I had to refine Julia’s Naga – one of the first 5* units to turn up for me, she is still the first green mage I turn to despite the powercreep!
I’m a little disappointed Tiltyu will lose the blade effect, but these changes are not entirely bad. I could run a +atk one rather than the +spd one I’m currently using, so I’m glad I don’t have her at +10 yet.
She basically saw how good her niece was and took a page out of her book. I’d say this was a net improvement.
The more I look at it the more I’m starting to think that it’s overall even better than Mjölnir. Getting rid of the +1 cooldown crap from her previous weapon means she can fire off more Glimmers, meaning it can trigger every round of combat due to her crazy speed. The wrath also helps patching up the loss of damage from her blade tome.
And with her refine, Swift Sparrow and a +Spd IV, she’ll have a 48 initiating Spd unmerged, which combos really nicely with Flashing Blade. So she could probably go with Luna instead for a higher damage output.
I’ve actually used Flashing Blade on her for some time now in order to deal with the higher cooldown, but now it’s going to be even better. I like the idea of Luna so that’s something to try out for sure. Once I get a +atk one I’ll probably roll with that though, since I feel like she already has sufficient speed. Here’s my +6 one for reference.
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That’s a scary build, it’ll for sure be a nuisance to deal with in ARs, especially if you do mind games with the lightning traps to trick attackers into triggering it and getting trapped with her all Wrath and Desperation ready.
Don’t give me any ideas lol. If I use your Swift Sparrow suggestion, I should be able to run a +res build as well, since that would place her at a fairly solid 32-33 with the merges. She could utilise it as she wouldn’t be doubled, but I’m not sure I’d sacrifice her attack or speed for that.
The localization team made a mistake. “calculate damage from staff like other weapons” is non-existent in the Japanese version of the game. Gues they copy pasted Mystic Boost
I was wondering if that was a mistake, because it didn’t seem to make much sense. I guess they’ll fix it up soon.
After getting screwed with a 11.50% rate on the legendary banner, the game felt pity for me and gave me 2 Nailahs in my first circle…granted both for some reason wanted to be +Hp/-Def, but I’ll take the pity.
It’s especially cute since in the Japanese version, she speaks exclusively in hiragana when not referring to specific characters haha
Astonishing good 5* rate, but: Elincia, Leif, 2x Owain, Ephraim, Ishtar, Swordhart, 2x Leanne, pulling red and blue. 530 orbs to start. 162 remain. I’m a bit sad, if I’m honest
Much smaller stash for me, but similar outcome. With about 140 orbs, I did get a Nailah on my second summoning circle and then 4 more 5-stars pulling red…but all pity breakers. Luke, Lyn, Laegjarn, and Lene. Down to about 25 orbs now. Gonna save up so I can combine with summon tickets and try for Tibarn a bit more.
Uggghhh… With all the hype I forgot that summoning is as cancerous as it can be. I only got another Zelgius at 4.25%. When will they demote some more characters? The 5* pool is overcrowded and they didn’t even demoted anyone from the Adrift banner.
Right after defeating Hel, she cursed Alfonse. He will die in 9 days, but only in the story, not in real life. I bet that in the next chapter, King Gustav will slap him for disobeying his orders, in which he warned him not to fight Hel.
600 orbs, Literally 1 5* Tailtiu… why did I even bother.
Them stats… Well, at least there’s a character I’ll get for sure. And F2P access to swift sparrow!
And just like how both PoR and RD were stupidly easy games, this GHB was also really easy.
PoR, yes. That’s due to localization changes, but yes.
RD, no. RD has some of the worst and most infuriating map design in the series causing it to have a frustrating difficulty.
I just low man the game with juggernauts and the laguz nobles make the endgame a joke. Granted RD was the first in a line of FE games to use over bloated enemy stats as a supplement for difficult map design that would last through the DS remakes and cap off with Awakening. Though the most frustrating thing I found in RD was the removal of mechanics on hard mode like seeing the danger zone.
But yes, it did have some really stupid or boring maps…like all of Part II was boring, and the Part III Micaiah chapters were stupid, which is why juggernauts are actually necessary for her team cause they’re mostly just swarm chapters and anyone not a juggernaut gets too easily overwhelmed. I usually went with Edward and Jill, on normal I’m able to get one of them to a 3rd tier by the end of Part I. Hard mode not so much due to the severe EXP nerf and the necessity of EXP spreading early on.
Wait what? You say FE10 has inflated stats, but it’s nothing like the cancer that Awakening or SD’s 3-5* HMs presented. The challenge in FE10 was designed intrinsically no matter what difficulty you were playing on, which is far more than you can say for either of those two games.
I didn’t say that the DS games and Awakening weren’t worse, they are by far the worse in how they handled difficulty. I simply said that RD started that trend where it was capped off by the biggest offender in Awakening.
I’m not really sure what you’re referring to. If you’re talking about Hard mode, that is objectively trash since its changes to the weapon triangle and UI elements only served to inconvenience the player than challenge them. But I think that due to the maps being as tightly built as they are, they used this as an alternate way of increasing the difficulty. The enemy stats are certainly not too inflated because if they were, adding such a strict challenge through stats would’ve left the game close to impossible to win due to RNG. Compared to Awakening’s boring maps where they threw massive stats on everything to simulate difficulty, RD’s challenge is directly scaleable through each of the difficulty modes. It has amongst the lowest replayability of all FE games, but the gameplay itself is very engrossing.
It’s been a while since I’ve played RD hard mode, so I might be mistaken about the over bloated stats, but I do remember it being stupid.
R E D H E L L: the revenge. I’d like to have Gray (he’s the only one that hasn’t pitybroken me), but I’m at 6 orbs and a 4.50% at the laguz banner. Is there any reason why he’s 5* exclusive, aside from good stat spread?
no, Gray is okay for a sword unit, but Zanboto isn’t really useful in this meta and swords like Karla, Owain, Leif and others outclass him all around…
Glad to see I’m not the only one getting garbage after spending so much. I guess I’m not getting anyone except the Raven King…
I don’t get why anyone would object to that Azura change. Creativity should not be punished by slapping away the ideas, it should be encouraged.
Predictions for the other 8 characters in the joint art:
Rutger or maybe Deke wielding Durandal
Gonzales or maybe Echidna wielding Armads
Lilina wielding forblaze (would be shocked if this was anyone else)
Bold prediction, Yodel wielding Aureola
Sue or maybe Dayan wielding murgleis
Shanna or maybe Zelot wielding Maltet
Sophia wielding apocalypse
and then Zephiel, I guess.
Alterntive theory, it’s the actual legendary heroes as like, ghosts or somthing.
Finally. Eternal Bond finally got a guitar cover. I was expecting this to happen in 2017 with Fire Emblem Warriors, but I guess later is better than never.
I want to believe the one on the right is Lillith, but I know in my heart of hearts I’m just setting myself up for disappointment
It´s like we already know what is coming so I don´t try to guess what it could be.
And are those washbowls? The one you can use to douche your body with water in hot springs/ bath houses.
I was thinking hot springs, too.
Phew, what a relief. And here I was worried they forgot about Fates.
at this point it’s impossible for me to get upset over this. apathetic as can be
though, I do find it amusing that they threw this waste in after the laguz banner, as if that would’ve softened the blow somewhat.
For all the sillyness, I would argue that the best time for a Fates banner is after a Tellius banner. I would bet that most Fates fans entered at Fates (or Awakening) and can’t drop 80 or 300 dollars on RD or PoR respectively, and therefore haven’t played them.
I would be inclined to agree if we were deprived of reps from that game, but we’re not. In general, sure, but in this specific case there’s plenty of things that could’ve been chosen instead.
Both of those games are very easy to emulate anyway, both on PC and on a homebrewed Wii U. I bought them both on release but I still prefer them on my Wii U since I can play undubbed.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha…
*deep breath*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
Thanks IS, you just made my day.
The madlads actually made a 6th Camilla alt lol, holy shit
And I love them for it lol!
“Hostile” is a good word to describe people’s reactions to this.
In all seriousness, how have they not figured out that the general fans are tired of this? Guess they know that for all the outrage no one is going to really do enough and whales will whale anyway. Fates alts must get whales turned super on to make them do this so much.
As long as they make money (which they obviously will from whales and overall money spending) its a success they don’t care for dislikes.
Actually they planned the banners months before they come out. This banner was planned since July 2018 at least, and back then they didn’t know about fans disliking Fates banners in general.
I personally liked Fates a lot, and even if I am slightly tired of seeing some of these units, I don’t mind them.
>They didn’t know about fans disliking Fates banners in July
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but they absolutely planned for a Camilla in November AND January. That’s 200% on them for being stupid.
There is another option you should consider. I would be very surprised to see them plan Camilla in a towel with “steamed secrets” title and then give her for free. It is possible she was originally supposed to be summonable while the TT reward was probably Hinoka. Then Adrift happened and they maybe finally realized that the fans are significantly unhappy to see her this frequently. And thought “Whoops, and we have another one coming in January… let’s make her free at least…”
Could be a sign of better times to come.
This has less to do with Camilla than it has to do with ”’lets give them two of the same unit within two two months.” That thought should never have crossed their mind. But I do hope you’re right.
It’s basically the same thing that happened with the L!Lyn banner, where she was revealed so shortly after LA!Lyn that people were upset.
At this point I’ve just accepted that IS plans one fucking everyone so instead of resisting I choose to lube up to make it hurt less, and maybe find some amusement.
I can get behind that mindset. Hell, I appreciate when other people have it. Anything beats people who make fun of when people complain when this stuff happens.
Good grief, if they wanted to make a big tiddy character for this set of special heroes Orochi was an easy option. Oh well one can only hope. At first I thought IS went full galaxy brain by not having Camilla in the actual banner so they wouldn’t get dislike bombed, but they showed her at the end anyway.
It’s now possible to make an Aether Raids defense team full of Camilla.
Praise boobasaurus rex.
I just hope I’m not forced to summon for the TT. And still, my phone will be haunted by that Camilla because it’s free… If she got nice skills, I’ll fodder her.
I misread this and thought you said skin lol
Camilla practically LIVES in the hot springs, they woulda been nuts to NOT make a version of her for this theme. =P
Let’s hope people have learned something and use this to get characters who aren’t already in the game (I’ll be voting for mostly Tellius cast members — Haar, Skrimir, Ranulf, etc.). Failing that, at least vote for someone who isn’t overrepresented already. Please.
People can vote for any applicable character they want don’t take a gacha mobile game seriously….
I feel like we’ll be getting a lot of votes for beast units this time. I really want them to do a dragon beast unit from Tellius to see if they count it as a dragon or a beast. Presumably dragon.
Still going with my waifu Selkie until she’s finally in the game!!!! and some for Lethe as well.
Ah, a fellow Velouria fan
Time to correct last year’s mistake…
Nice one @Raven~
Everyone, vote for Micaiah!
Btw.: Hector (BindingBlade/FE6) sounds like the same as with RD Ike last time, because he was on his way as Legendary Hero which I think was why we couldn´t vote for him.
Since many of my favourites are already in, I’ll pour most of my votes in for Altenna.
Other than that I might go for some FE6 character, probably Tate or Idoun, maybe Wade, Sue, or Perceval. Although it’s probable that at least one of those will appear in the upcoming banner.
I feel like beasts might take a hit
I like they actually say that the same person in multiple games count towards the others and are not seemingly split like previous years. gonna vote 4 times for Jill and probably 3 for Lethe
A Jill voter, I see you too are a person of culture.
If I didn’t want Alm to get first or second so bad, I would do the same. Maybe I’ll throw a few votes her way anyway, she’s at an advantage this year at least.
Still voting for Scarlet!
Please, try not to vote Heroes OC with little to no personality. Not even characters like Hel, since we’ll get them eventually, just like Surtr.
I’ll go for Eliwood because IS seems to have forgotten who is the actual main character of FE7. Maybe Sephiran too, but I hate the “being in two games” handicap.
I’ll be voting for Soren. He’ll probably never win but I need an alt for him lol
I voted for Camilla…
…fuck you, that’s why.
nice.
I actually think Camilla has a good shot at making it this time around, since she seems to be the most popular of the royal siblings in the game. It’s rather surprising that neither of the two CYLs had a Fates character.
Yup your right!!!!
Still gonna vote for my girl Rinkah (even if nobody else does)
Much less predictable this time…
Voted for Kjelle from Awakening. >.>
I’m gonna be alternating between my favorite mage Nino and Alm cause Alm desperately needs an alt and Nino well I’ve already said. Don’t care that Nino already has an alt cause honestly compared to some like Camilla (who really doesn’t NEED another alt especially with her Tempest Trials one coming), Nino’s as well as some that only have their regular self and a single alt, may as well be nonexistent.
I really love the art of this banner. Kind of tired of the heroes in question, but hope to see this style again
EVERYONE! I GOT A 3* NILES!!!!
I’m not going to invest in this banner, despite the fact it has a flying healer (which I would like to have one flying healer)
but yeah, the art is pretty good
I want a better Xander
like literally sword cavalry Xander, except with good stats and maybe a unique ability
Also I voted Grima once, because I a fan and want my not super weak to half the effective weapons Grima
After that… Maybe a Robin (good Robin) that Isn’t outdated (rip old op characters takumi, kaegero, robin, leo, ect)
Eliwood should get a brave version or a legendary version…all he has for alts is the Love Abounds, and while Hector and Lyn have 3 and 4 alts a piece.
I chose colorless for my free summon since I wanted a Clarine so I could +10 her, and I got a 4* version of her.
Gacha works in mysterious ways.
The alternative bonus units are crap. I have all of them, but they’re pretty bad. Those seals, though…
do it for the Brazen Atk/Def Seal~
Those who unbenched Alphonse will create a monster.
This banner is pretty good. This is a good chance for the players to get Leo or Takumi, because the chances of summoning one of them is higher in comparation to othes banners. I got a Leo in on circle, at 3,25%, and I got another Leo in the first orb of the next circle, at 3%. One of them I will keep, and the other will be fodder.
If you summoner wants to have some extra Close Counter, this is your chance.
It’s bait, but it is very good bait. I do recommend people who aren’t overflowing with orbs to wait and see what anni gives us first, though. I had some to spare and got CC in 60 orbs, not bad at all.
I got Hector on the free summon!
Camilla’s art is terrible.
Yeah why wasn’t it her usual artist….Lack sadly didn’t do well here…..
yeah something definitely went wrong with this one
Better banner than the seasonal, wow. Nephenee is a special trigger machine, and my Elincia can beat ass despite being -atk. Brave Ike is Steady breath at this point unless you work on that speed, what a shame.
I’ve saved up a lot of orbs for this banner when I found out Elincia and Nephenee were going to be on it, Brave Ike is actually an amazing third focus unit as well, bunch of my favorite characters. Going to take a lot of effort to not spend everything I have, as I do want to wait and see the Mythic banner, but needs to have some amazing units to beat this, personally.
At last a chance to summon Mikoto again… wait… it’s a trap!
This time we want you to summon the colorless dorbs
I go for Batman! Because I refined his weapon~
I’m still so confused by the fact that the Adrift banner wasn’t seasonal. Why do we have clearly “Special Heroes” in the regular summoning pool?
This BHB might be a reference to these two having an unused support in Path of Radiance.
Can’t wait for 6 Duma Defense team shenanigans. Galeforce Alm doesn’t sound too bad right now.
Way to beat the AR dead horse IS.
An interesting brand new caracter? They outdid themselves, if he wasn’t so… cancerous for AR. And if I hadn’t spent my orbs on the laguz banner.
I really hope Micaiah and Robin dethroned Camilla, trolls don’t deserve that sstisfaction.
You DO realize she actually has many fans than trolls especially in Japan she’s very likely gonna stay 1st and Michiah or F Robin will be 2nd she’s very popular than obviously what the vocal minority says….she and the other winners will get excluded in the next one like past participants get over it….
I won’t deny she can have fans that actually like her, but she got so many alts that if those fans aren’t satisfied at this point I don’t when they will. I mean, if I had 6 Sorens, I would vote for someone who actually deserves another alt.
No point arguing with someone who farms upvotes.
Well, at least they have released a balanced hero with no powercreep that will reward careful thoughtful play. Langrisser is looking even more appealing at the moment. I suppose the straw I could clutch at is that we might get the chance to vote him in as the peoples hero… well, him or Wrys.
Langrisser M is so much better that Heroes that it’s almost hilarious. It’s not only a proper SRPG for mobile, but it also exemplifies what the series is about without sacrificing depth in favour of modernising the game for a broader audience.
I’m really enjoying Langrisser at the moment – throwing in characters like Dumbass and Suturd make AR and arena a chore. I’d go for interesting wacky characters in alt costumes with balanced stats and interesting subtle skills like a shot, but this stuff is a right turn off – its really spoiling the game for me and I’ll bet a fair few others. And I don’t even mind stuff like Ouch pouch Camillia – her poor back must be almost broken!
I would prefer it if we didn’t have any alts whatsoever. But the issue of course is that balancing a gacha game is always going to be hard as time goes on, if the only alts we had were the CYL variants and stats/skills were more balanced across the board, the game would be fairly decent. Duma is an interesting addition as a character, but the armour crap is just annoying.
In Langrisser every unit has a niche, even the R ones. Leticia for instance is a really powerful support unit due to her ability to grant other units extra movement.
These songs are worth gold my bois. Thanks for the upload
Twilight of the Gods INTENSIFIES!
Know a place where I can download them??
Right click on the title of the song you want, then click “open in new tab”
After that, click the 3 vertical dots on the bottom right, and you should be able to download the track.
Right-click on the track name and “Save Link As…” will also work.
Thanks for sharing these, they are lovely.
Expected characters except Eliwood overtook Marth I guess all FE7 Lords get something I guess. It’ll interesting next year once the new game this year comes out.
I would’ve preferred a focus on characters we didn’t already have — I think it’s reasonably likely we’ll get some sort of Alm and/or Eliwood alt that will bump up against the CYL release, like Hector did last year — but I’m really excited for Brave Micaiah. Ultimately, I’m happy with the vote
As far I’m concern, Camilla’s fanboys deserve this win after all the passive aggressive crap they had to go through
It’s not like it’s entirely unjustified. Fates writing as a whole is shite, but characters like Camilla and Tharja are the epitome of tropey video game writing that strays too far away from the typical FE formula. Of course people would be annoyed when characters with actual depth are shafted in favour of ones that are designed from the outside in.
Careful there, saying anything negative about them booby females is frowned upon in these parts.
You don’t think I don’t know that? I was on that side for awhile until I got tire of it. Wanna move on for a better things instead of being piss off 24/7.
This community was divided long before Awakening ever came to existence. It’s just stupid now because there’s apparently a segregation Fire Emblem fan & now being a Camilla fan. There’s so only so much you can be piss off at a character
Got Laevatein on a free summon!
At last, after a year long’s wait, the travesty of last year has been avenged.
Really, Camilla? *sigh*
But yay for Eliwood.
And you’re surprised how ?! She obviously has fans(myself included) all 4 will get excluded next get over it…
Somebody’s sensitive…some people don’t like the same things you do, and that’s okay. Ruminate on that and consider learning some punctuation while you’re at it.
Nothing wrong with what they said how was it “insensitive”? Its fact they don’t give ASF about haters also the hating d!ck award goes to….
*Shrug* whatever gets you through the day, my dude. There are a lot of Camilla fans out there. I’m not so sure they appreciate your representation of them.
You’re being hypocritical. Starting out by saying “Really, Camilla? *sigh*” and then defending yourself with “Some people don’t like the same things you do, and that’s okay” shows that you lack self awareness. I can easily take that second quote and use it against your original post. You don’t like Camilla but other people do, and that’s okay. Also, criticizing someone’s punctuation proves you don’t really have an argument to make and are just being petty at this point. We all obviously love Fire Emblem, so there’s no need for any of this.
To end on a more positive note, I too am happy for Eliwood. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with him.
Alas, I’m not the original poster and you probably shouldn’t denigrate them because of me. In fact, I’ve not said anything negative about Camilla. Furthermore, we’re not making arguments and comments about punctuation don’t “prove” anything. I personally don’t think punctuation is petty — it’s so easy and helps with clarity — but it is admittedly not much related to the topic at hand. All I know is that seemingly whenever anyone says anything that isn’t unmitigated praise for Camilla, they’re more often than not met with some punctuation-less gibberish or bastardization of the English language in response.
And to really belabor my first point, on the topic of Eliwood, I’m pretty indifferent. I like the character, but I’m not altogether fond of cavalry and we’ve already had Brave Roy in his image.
Ah it appears as though I made an oopsie! I’ll be honest, I only saw the first letter of the username was “S” and they appeared to be the same length. You’d think I would know not to browse comments after being awake for an extended period of time. I apologize. Having words put into your mouth is always crappy.
For your second point, you didn’t seem to have any problem understanding what they said. So yes, to me your comment about punctuation still comes across as a petty jab to said person. And I would say I certainly notice that there are far more people flying off the deep end every time Camilla gets any recognition at all compared to how many actually defend her.
Either way I’ll leave you to the rest your day. Apologies again!! 😀
Hey, don’t worry about it. I’d never begrudge someone making a mistake, particularly if they admit it.
My experience is typically that anytime someone expresses anything negative about Camilla, they’re met with an unintelligible torrent the likes of which we see above, usually covered in upvotes, again, as we see above. I don’t have a problem with someone saying they dislike a character, and I typically don’t see ad hominem attacks from that side. But maybe that’s not your experience. I get that this is a very small microcosm of a larger community issue that I’m not a part of, but it still seems like there’s a lot of sensitivity to me. No offense intended against you though, and it’s easy enough to back off on the grammar/punctuation digs, pet peeve of mine though it is.
How was I being a hater? There’s a middle ground between loving a chara and hating a chara.
I’m not surprised. But I’m also not obligated to be happy or excited about it.
There are a lot of other characters that also have fans.
We’ve already got 6 Camillas, she’s not a character I particularly like, why would I be anything but resigned about it.
Your too late on this you clearly loss this move on….
Sure, but I am the original poster, there’s no deadline, I can still say whatever I want to say, no?
Yeah to show you already loss and making yourself look more worse all means do so.
Why are you being so antagonistic? There’s nothing to win or lose. I didn’t make myself “bad” or “worse”, I merely expressed my opinion. I didn’t think I did it in a way that was so inflammatory to people. I didn’t say anything derogatory or aggresive as far as I’m concerned. Apparently some people took it that way, I don’t see how clarifying it now is a problem. I don’t check comments online that often.
clarifying it isn’t a problem at all, it actually made things better imo…
my 2 cents is Camilla made it. Ok, if they make her well (maybe focusing more on her cold, aggressive personality rather than her typical doting) I think that would be cool
Eliwood same thing in sense of I would rather have other characters, but I am not that upset about him winning
Michaiah probably my least favorite of this group, will try to get her because I like having all the brave heroes, but definitely my least favorite of the 4
Finally, Alm has a lot of potential and can be an incredible unit, (especially if he is the Conqueror class)
next year I really hope it is the following 4
Marth (been robbed 3 years in a row of being top 5 minimum)
Anna (its her time)
Robin M my favorite character besides
Robin F because she was really close again this year and it would be cool if both robins won at the same time
anyway this might be more than 2cents, so keep the change
1. Congratulations on all Winners!
2. It´s nice to see 2 Anna´s and 3 OC FEH Units in Top20~
3. For CYL4, I Vote for… well I don´t know yet~
I’m so glad Eliwood did it that I don’t care about Camilla at all (one less character to go for). And Soren in 9th place! I feel sorry for Anna, though. To me she is the face of the franchise instead of Marth.
My guesses are that Micaiah might be a singer and Alm will have his old dick armor, similar to Celica.
Very pleased with the CYL results, Micaiah and Alm winning is awesome.
I am concerned about the current lack of a FEH channel though. Anniversary is tomorrow… was hoping for a bit more than one or two in-game notices, especially with all the flak FEH is getting from Langrisser right now.
Get your wish?
Indeed, very pleased with IS right now.
To anyone upset over Camilla winning over your choice, I will reiterate something I was told last year…there is always the next CYL.
Oh hey, Rinkah’s at least in the top 100, so I’m at least somewhat satisfied.
My Marth experience
I’m just happy Ilyana made it to the top 100. Not that anything could get me interested in mobile games but I still want the artwork and voice clips.
That Dragon Flower update rewards people who use a variety of units. Now I’m salty I sacked the likes of Tobin and Canas.
Really disappointed in this anniversary celebration, it felt more like a standard FEH channel with the only difference being some randomly assignment 5* heroes. For the longest time IS was only drip feeding us content updates, and I was ok with that so long as the anniversary made up for things by being big…guess that’s not the case. If IS isn’t going to make the necessary changes in any kind of timely manner, then that reveals them to not care for the player base in any way beyond the abusive relationship they’ve tricked players into being content with.
Dragonflowers look interesting, and I like the Aether Raid changes. Good channel overall.
Dragonflowers are pretty cool. I appreciate anything that promotes hero versatility and isn’t necessarily geared toward PvP, but my fear is that we’ll get them in really small quantities, like every other resource they give us (I don’t know about everyone else, but I have almost 1000 grails right now, which seems altogether too few since it takes around 2200 to +10 one unit from that pool).
And the changes to Aether Raids don’t really seem like they’ll going to be that beneficial. I’m up to tier 19 so far, which means I’m seeing 6-hero defense teams, and it’s kind of a slog. It’s a lot of Ophelias with charged specials positioned at the end of a narrow corridors backed by Reinhardt/Veronica/etc. and 1-2 dancers. And I haven’t even seen Duma yet.
Happy enough about the free units (grabbed a Lissa, whom I’ve wanted for a while) and orbs as anybody, but I feel like we’re getting to the point where we need something more.
Another problem with the Dragonflower is that I feel like they’re trying to address a balance issue by allowing infantry to go up to +10, but that’s not going to fix things. The real problem is the powercrept BST between old and new units. Most units of all unit types have the majority of their older heroes unviable. So heroes like Beruka, Abel, or Ceada need an extra boost to help them out, but will not be getting it while heroes like L!Ike and Ophelia who do not need the help…but will be getting it. So it already looks like they fucked up with this new feature already because they’re that detached from the player base.
It sounds like all IS did was look at the feedback for AR’s first week back when everyone was still having fun and still wanted more tries. The real problem with AR is that it’s plagued by either the team comps you mentioned or teams built to stall the 7 turn time limit. If they really want to fix the system, they need to put limitation on what the defense team can be made up of. If Relay Defense squads are limited to only 1 dancer/singer, why not AR? Also, remove the 7 turn time limit, or extend it to 10 or 12 turns to make stalling tactics unviable and severely decreasing Surtr’s stronghold in the meta….cause fuck Surtr.
I got myself a Tharja, so now she’s +3 and +Atk.
Yeah, you make really good points. They probably should’ve allowed you to use dragonflowers on units based on their BST tier. Like “first generation” units having lower BSTs than later units. Or they could just spot pick which units it applies to like they seem to be doing with weapon refines.
I personally don’t see as many stall teams and don’t struggle with them as much, but I think your point still stands. Of course, we know why they do this. As it is now, losing 80 lift per day (with a defense loss) with the ability to gain only 200 if you’re really fortunate and don’t draw any of the combinations we’ve mentioned, it will still be very hard to improve after a while. They clearly want to make it so you more or less need mythic heroes and merges to boost your lift, because that makes them money. In that sense I suppose it’s not much different than the ceiling in arena.
Wanted Performing Arts Azura, got Summer Xander. Sigh.
Seems good, but I still must complain about the number of 5* exclusives being too high in comparison with the total number of units. For each new banner, they only demote one and the seasonals are always kept at 5*, even when they’re literally trash. Besides, the chances of pulling a 5* are too low and Leo and Mist are still haunting the pool.
The whole pool is honestly too big. What they need to do (in addition to demoting some more units) is start cutting it for each banner. Each banner should have only a portion of the non-focus 3*,4*, and 5*. It would encourage people to pull where they might not otherwise. Like, I might pull on these really boring BHB banners if they also included a smaller 4* pool that allowed me a greater chance at Reyson or Nowi at 4* (whereas they wouldn’t appear at all on other banners).
Yeah, that sounds good enough. I can’t help but thinking that my chances of pulling Reinhardt or Soren (I have a total of 4 and 8 respectively) are lower than getting Jagens or Arthurs (I don’t know how many full merged I could have if I cared) . I just got my first Libra yesterday, and I’ve been pulling for greens on some banners.
Got 2 Greens and 3 Colorless = NY!Azura~ Finally my 2nd Azura!
Why does the special banner disappear after the first summon?
Cause you only get 1 free summon that’s a guaranteed 5*. A second banner with 2018’s seasonal alts will show up next week that does the same thing.
IS: “Now Seth will be a viable unit” (proceeds to give him ruby sword with tactics defence).
I just promoted Eliwood because I had nothing else to do, so I’m glad he’s finally receiving a refine.
Awesome refines, been using Nino since Day 1 and IS finally decides to give her an upgrade. Not that she needs it, but I am intrigued.
I have no idea how they could actually make me want to not use Blazing Durandel over the new refine on Eliwood, though.
Woo, Nino and Amelia getting new weapons!
(Still kinda hoping they’ll eventually let Nino use Giga Excalibur tho)
Seth… be good, please.
Vote for Nailah
Definitely voting for Legendary Azura. I put so much effort into that banner for my favorite FE character and got about 5 Fjorm’s.
Since we’re getting Legendary Azura for blue and Surtr for green, I’ll vote Tibarn for red. I’m still salty over being screwed in that banner.
I prefered the peoples hero last year. Vote for who you like, but you have only got a 25% chance of pulling from the golden orbs, presuming there is an even colour spread behind the 4.
I voted for Halloween!Myrrh!
I’m voting for S!Micaiah so I can have a hard counter to Surtr.
Same. I can’t wait for a green tome or Staff Michaiah so we can hard check everything in Aether raids.
Best Pair? Reinhardt & Brave-Lyn~
I want to joke but which units with alts would appear this time?
that’s a falchion
and I would say one on the left is hector except it was him last year
infantry sword, armored axe, and the third one seems to be a flyer (probably dagger like blue)
Will we get our first seasonal alts of the Kaga era? Here’s hoping for all their fans.
Aside from the return of the loosely-clothed armoured unit, everyone else is on point. I’ve been anticipating Greil for a long time, but I never thought he’d be introduced as a seasonal before his regular variant. A Soren alt was even more unexpected.
Overjoyed at the 2019 Tellius love, even if I’m broke on orbs right now. Will summon before this banner expires, but well done on this one IS.
Words cannot express how excited I am for this. SOREN HAS AN ALT!!!
And I’m here with 20 orbs. I’m dying inside, there’s no way I’m getting anyone.
RIP, same here.
Though shouldn’t you despise these Crimean scum, Sir Archer? XD
As long as they’re not subhumans I don’t have any problem. Besides,one of them is a former Daein general and the other is the rightful heir of Daein.
I hope Greil doesn´t meet the same fate like Charlotte & Noir! I wish he will come in his original form with Elena!
For me, Miwabe Sakura always draws the cutest units~
YES! Finally another full non-Fates banner. I think I know the two that are gonna be gunned for the most. To be honest this was a bit of a missed opportunity to add Ike and Mist’s mother into the game, I mean yeah at most she’s only mentioned by name and we only ever see her twice in PoR but still (once in that little cutscene of Ike’s memory at the beginning and then another screenshot of her getting stabbed by Greil when Volk was explaining things to Ike). Also to those whom aren’t likely happy Ike got another alt, best to grin and bare it cause he doesn’t have as many as Camilla.
You may want to use a spoiler tag for that.
You mean for the part about Ike and Mist’s mother? Sure I can do that, even though the game’s been out for years and almost everyone should possibly know about that little tidbit.
Definitely, but to me a spoiler is a spoiler regardless of age. This article also has nothing to do with Elena herself, so it’s kinda hard for someone wishing to avoid such a spoiler to do so based on the title.
But it’s cool that you complied anyway.
True.
No problem, don’t wanna suddenly get banned for something like that.
It’s about time we got a dedicated Telius seasonal banner. Even if I’m not interested in this banner, I’m glad others are and I finally have some down time to save my orbs.
Cool, another banner composed almost entirely of alts. Just what everyone was clamoring for. And the last alt-filled limited banner isn’t even half over yet.
They could’ve used the Legendary/Mythic Heroes system to actually offer up something living up to the name and given us Gawain with Urvan or one of the legendary swords. Instead we get a half-assed Greil with a generic axe and a contradictory skill set.
I don’t see why you’re complaining… Everyone knew we were getting alts for this banner, since it’s the seasonal Valentine’s Day banner. If this was just a random alts banner like the last one, then I’d understand, but that isn’t the case here…
Seeing my -def Zelgius with 39 def and my -atk Grima with 37 atk is one of the most beautiful things in this game.
The IV applications might be useful since the bane is unmarked after the merge, leaving only the boon.
The dragonflowers system is bs and only tries to urge players to spend orbs in the most recent units, since obtaining them later will result in less dragonflowers.
Agreed. Really good point. The dragonflowers aren’t a meaningful improvement and reducing the number you get over time is insulting. In fact, it runs counter to the reason why most people would want dragonflowers: to upgrade older units. Were they having trouble incentivizing people to pull on recent banners? I’d find that hard to believe, but even if so, what an absurd way to attempt to improve that
I mean, it’s really not that big of a deal since Book II ran for about a year so Book III and subsequent Books (if any) will probably run for a similar amount of time. That means an entire year to pull Heroes from the most recent book, and spooks are fairly common compared to other games.
The only thing really wrong about this is that Book I and Book II Heroes reward far too little dragonflowers in comparison to Book III. I feel like it’d be more fair if they rewarded 20 and 30 respectively, meaning a 10 dragonflower increase for Heroes of each subsequent book. I’d even have settled for 10 and 20, but 2 and 8 is cheap.
You know, I didn’t realize they were scoring them by year/book. If that remains the case, I agree with you. I’d also add that a simple +1 to each stat is hardly anything to be so stingy about
I mean, the whole point of the game (from a business perspective) is to get players to keep spending money on new units. It’s the same reason dragonflowers don’t impact Arena scoring – if older characters were actually competitively viable, there would be less incentive for players to whale for new units.
That last part may be a bit of an overstatement. My main team and most of the other ones consist mainly of first gen units, and I’m in upper echelons of both arena and aether raids. Naturally they have inherited skills, but that’s a given.
Every feature and mode IS has introduced recently has been one step forward, and two steps back. I’m all for long term investments, but the amount of time needed to get enough dragonflowers to unpowercreep an older unit is too long.
And at the same time, those same flowers can be used to make already potent units like Ophelia even more crazy. Terribly thought out on their part.
That was the first thing I noticed, “only infantry get the +10?” There are tons of units in the flier and horse unit types like Subaki or Cain who desperately need the help in against the BST powercreep.
Oh nice, snagged a Greil in my free summon. I’ll probably pass over his axe to Sheema though.
Spent all 250 of my Orbs really wanting all 4 of them since I’m a PoR sucker got Ike early, 3 Greil’s and then Soren right at the very end. However along the way I got chain broke with a male Grima a couple orbs after my second Greil so not to upset, but I was upset by the Ishtar (broke a large streak), 2 Nailahs (TBH I wasn’t even after her in her banner and I got her there too) and a god damn Libra. Guess I will try again later on after I build more orbs or just wait for her to pop up in a mythic or legendary hero Banner so at least the chains don’t break.
Same starting point, got Soren and Ike quite early, then Siegbert breaking an ugly rate but second Ike came right after that. And second last summon was Deirdre. So I am kinda disappointed with the unit count and two pitybreakers that I won’t use TnT
However, then I bought the February orbs to give it a try and got a fricking ZELGIUS. And then I collected five orbs from Water Garden and Greil came. Now I would really use second Greil as fodder for my Spring Alfonse and that Mist ♥
And hear me, I am far from being a PoR sucker but they have fricking Slav outfits ♥
250 orbs isn’t really considered enough to get all four of them. It’s generally said that 100-120 will get you one focus unit. So you actually had a very good rate overall. That said, I’m very jealous of your haul
“I’ll summon on Red, I might get Summer Tiki or Halloween Nowi, and hey, the only one out of them I already have is Summer Micaiah, so my odds are good.”
…Guess what I got.
Hrid? Well, at least you got the color you wanted. Not a single red on my summon and now there’s a -spd Sharena haunting my phone. Just why?
You got Festival Micaiah, the one you already have, right? At least she is a good unit, and you can negate her bane/flaw by merging her or fodder her for Atk/Res Bond.
…
Also, Halloween Nowi was in the other banner, not this one. I believe you meant Halloween Myrrh, right?
Yes, I meant Myrrh. And yeah, at least I can get rid of her bane. Not going to fodder her because I don’t use SI.
Same boat. I pulled red and got a Summer Tana, who I already had. Definitely a bit of a bummer
I was aiming for another Tana merge, but I’m forever cursed by Tharja.
I got Summer Micaiah, too. I was aiming for Halloween Myrrh, but got her instead. On the bright side, I haven’t gotten her before.
Hurray…I didn’t get who I wanted. What a great celebration we’re having IS.
I got NY Gunnthrá, which was the unit I wanted from this banner, so I am happy.
While Christmas Eirika is definitely NOT Valentine’s Roy, she’s still a respectable Unit, so I guess I’ll take it, even if she was pretty low on the list for who I wanted. Fingers crossed for my free pull when they redo last year’s Valentine’s Banner, I’m in the middle of gunning for Hot Spring Sakura and then need to conserve anything extra I get in case the new BB Heroes are worth it.
I can’t speak for anyone else but I think what I’m about to say is on everyone’s mind. About damn time Nintendo/IS!
This could potentially make or break my opinion of this game. Please, no grinding, traversable world map, disjointed story and gameplay, avatar, and contrived children. Also less focus on pointless conversations. A bit of map diversity would be welcome as well.
Avatar has pretty much been announced with the teacher thing. But I agree no kids unless we are Genealogy-ing this. Plus somewhere there going to be grinding unless they bring back the bonus XP which I would be fine with.
I’m definitely not expecting genealogy style just no inclusion and a replacement for it.
Keep in mind that when I say avatar, I mean a self insert who every female in the cast tries to suck the dick of. If he is a silent protagonist/has a role akin to Mark I would be completely fine with it.
That most likely won’t happen.
You’re really enjoying this, aren’t you? Creating alts and upvoting yourself, I mean. Maybe you should pony up an actual argument if you wish to have some form of credibility rather than the fictitious satisfaction of agreeing with yourself.
Stay salty because no one agrees with you also accusing someone like that lol keep staying rock bottom troll….
Jesus wept. A toddler can figure out that you’re the same person. The fact that a person can be this pathetic is distressing to me. Blocked and reported.
Blocked and reported you for this already thank goodness!
I notice I had this guy blocked already for a long time so yeah clearly a reason why I did….
I’m praying for you. Fuck that guy.
Well Fuck you for insulting someone that didn’t even did anything wrong but gave their input with no malice your making the TC look even worse with you added…..
This is why I never go to comments on places like this didn’t do anything but said a few words nothing else and don’t worry I reported and block that guy as well I don’t let these toxic people ruin my hype! 🙂
Lol so petty shows how sad you really are…..
I’m hoping for at least a return to Blazing Blade and Sacred Stones. I don’t think they’ll catch lightning in a bottle like they did with Tellius ever again. Really all of the games have some odd gameplay imbalances, so as long as it’s nothing unpleasant like Shadows of Valentia, I’ll be okay. It’s really the tone and story that I want to see return to form
I never thought the day would come when I’d consider FE8 as “returning to form”, but I agree. Even though this was my most disliked game before Awakening came out.
But honestly, it’s not impossible for them to make something as great as the previous console games. The features they add simply need to be there for the betterment of story and gameplay, and not for the sake of a hollow “endgame” and easy DLC vectors like pretty much all 3DS games are guilty of. Mechanics like those hurt the classic Fire Emblem formula and end up bending the setting apart through the way they are written into the story.
If Nintendo is mentioning Three Houses in the video, the game will have a good amount of time in the spotlight. Maybe at least 10 minutes of Three Houses.
Yeah pretty much since that happen before with other focused titles!
11:00 p.m.? Oh well, work starts at 5:00 a.m. so this is fine~
I hope there is no message about some DLC which cost more than the game itself…please no!
Well it’s about damn time…
Ignoring that “specific” user here like wow….I’m so excited that its gonna be focused so much time it needs from the 8 month absence can’t wait to see what’s going down!
I’ll bet the game comes out late April or May.
I ship VirionxCherche.
What I want to know right now is the pre-order information. I remember what happened to the Special Edition of Fire Emblem: if.
What’s your region?
BestBuy (US) has this posted so far:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/fire-emblem-three-houses-seasons-of-warfare-edition-nintendo-switch/6255392.p?skuId=6255392#
For those wondering, Best Buy’s already sold out (for now)…I know because they sold out as I was in the process of entering my payment information. This was about 20 minutes ago for me v_v
Already?! I had to get ready for a college class, so I wasn’t able to pre-order in time. If the game sells out this quickly, then it might be worse than the Fire Emblem if: Special Edition fiasco.
Preorders just went up on the GameStop site. Best of luck! 🙂
https://m.gamestop.com/product/nintendo-switch/games/fire-emblem-three-houses-seasons-of-warfare-edition/173346?utm_source=rakutenmarketing&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=1709054:nowinstock&utm_content=10&utm_term=uknetwork&ranmid=42508&raneaid=akgbls8splm&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-rakuten-_-gameaffiliate-_-banner&ransiteid=akgbls8splm-3q1yp0y_yshu47rswq5d3g
You may have to go in-store to order it, for some reason the site’s been messed up all day. I had to go in-store to get mine ordered. You’ll have to pay upfront, too.
Ugh… don’t remind me (what Fates ended up being not withstanding). I might just stick with the regular edition… unless there’s special content or, y’know, the actual whole game on one cart.
Update: I pre-ordered the game on Amazon a few hours ago. I apologize for not posting this sooner. Thank you, nowinstock, for sending me the notification. On-release shipping with no extra charge. Better than my pre-order of FE14 at GameStop from 3 years ago ($20 for the on-release shipping).
The lack of emphasis on combat in the footage makes me fear that this will be heavily character focused. A positive though is that the avatar seems to be non-responsive, so praise be that we likely won’t have to deal with illogical hookups.
On the other hand, the inclusion of one in the first place could be the games undoing. The avatar in Heroes became the main character of a story that, while somewhat bland, was still set in stone. This led to the plot reading like a really bad fanfiction, and the same issue plagued Awakening. In that game, they wanted a traditional FE story with a twist and also a self insert. So the avatar shoved away every other character while being told how amazing, great, and brave they were while every other character sits patiently in a corner until its time to spread their legs. So far none of this seems to be the case in 3H, but it’s hard to say at this point in time. The lack of speaking though is a positive for sure.
I worry about the Avatar character largely because of how they marketed things in that trailer: “YOU are the hero the world needs!” “YOUR students!” “YOU ALONE can see the dragon girl!” Really makes it seem like the avatar is going to be wayyyyyyyy too big a part of the story, or even the story will revolve around them, and that’s what’s really hurt previous FE titles. The world and other characters get me excited, so much of the game’s concepts and ideas and world and scenario are really exciting, but how they made it pretty clear in that trailer that your avatar is a huge part of the story and even a special sort of chosen one is a big red flag for me. I didn’t hold out hope they’d actually leave that kind of writing behind for modern FE, but I couldn’t help wish for it. Maybe some day they’ll leave the avatar worship behind, but it doesn’t look like Three Houses is the game that does it.
It does look like the rest of the cast will have more to do and be more their own agents in their own stories, so I’m hoping that’s the case. A lot of this game looks really promising and like a step in the right direction, but the avatar stuff looks like it will, in some ways, be worse than it’s ever been (though it’s a step in the right direction if they don’t give your avatar romance options… or at least not romance options with your students. Please… IS… don’t do it)
I don’t think the existence of an avatar necessarily says anything about what we can expect from the writing. Sure there’s definitely a thin line with self-insert characters, but I think a teacher/advisor character that isn’t a playable unit and doesn’t have romance options (even better if they don’t speak at all) could be a lot of fun. Besides, stories in general are fairly often about chosen ones, so I don’t think we can conclude anything about that yet. We really know so little about the plot and the style of writing we’re getting. I’m holding out hope that we’ll get a tone that resembles the E3 trailer. I really loved that
The issue with that though is that all the 10 other games (+TRS) in the series that don’t have a self insert are all infinitely better from a written standpoint, despite not being masterpieces in their own right. They present a set story that doesn’t have that big a problem vector of making a self insert work. It’s simpler and less constrained by the mechanics of the game. Fates is surprisingly the game that handles its avatar the best, since the split paths allowed for some actual depth and motivation out of the opposing characters.
Of course, if the 3H avatar is only a visual representation of the player making choices, and doesn’t romance anyone else or have cringeworthy support conversations with them, then that’s something else entirely. It’s just a more developed Mark at that point, which I would not mind at all. Although I did spot a “love points+” icon in the form of a heart in the trailer, so who knows.
Yeah, personally, I’m really hoping for a Mark, or more developed Mark, but not a playable unit. I still don’t think the reason Awakening and Fates are badly written completely because of the avatar. It’s correlation without causation. They’d be badly written without one. That said, I’m hardly in love with the concept, as I noted.
Yeah the writing for the FE series has seen a big change in recent years, and I don’t think it helps that it seems like the writing staff for Awakening, Fates, and Shadows of Valentia were all completely different? I know Fates’ main story writer was a manga author, so at least Awakening and Fates had different people in charge of the story and characters. Shadows of Valentia I thought was very well-written (though like you said I don’t think it’s an Avatar or self-insert thing, as both Alm and Celica had shades of the character style for Robin/Corrin but were just better written). So I’m curious how Three Houses will shake out, even if I end up not being a fan of all of the ideas, if they have a strong writing team and execute well on their ideas we could see a really excellent game. FE is a series where its stories, I think, have been strongest when they’ve been well-written, so we can’t really tell how good the story will be just from ideas and concepts.
A teacher/advisor character not being playable and not having romance options could be fun, but the trailer makes it clear that the Avatar character is definitely playable (seen multiple times as a controlled combat unit alongside student characters in battle scenes).
I too loved the E3 trailer, so I still don’t fully know what to expect from the full game. The two different trailers have very different focus and tone, so I’m very interested to see how the final game shakes out. This trailer didn’t do much for me since so much of the focus was on the self-insert protagonist, but the world, setting, and other characters really interest me! And the gameplay changes look to be really exciting!
Heroes is what happens when you can’t write a good enough story to keep you engaged and paying for it at the same time. I’m shocked the game hasn’t died yet. 3H is a breath of fresh air to me compared to that piece of crap.
Personally, I wouldn’t take the lack of combat as an indication of anything. The game releases after E3, they need to save the juicy footage for then.
Likewise, I wouldn’t read too much into the school environment. Whether either the hub or the early game setting, it may have little to do with the campaign at large.
I’m not sure we really learned anything that would allow us to make conclusions about what kind of game we’ll be getting. It looks like we’re returning to the non-unit tactician/avatar, which is neat, but the possibility of school elements doesn’t exactly excite me. Still, it certainly seems like they put more effort into it than they did for Fates.
I suspect what they showed off tody was just the first few chapters (think Lyn’s mode), with an inciting incident that causes the 3 kingdoms to go to war. Your students look to be trainee classes with wide flexibility in their promotions, with later chapter giving you more set in stone characters, in traditional FE fashion, that can still be “taught” by you.
They did a similar thing with Fates and Echoes where they focused on the gimmick of the game (Fates was the branching stories and Dragon Veins, Echoes was the dungeon crawling) even though those gimmicks were much more low-key than the initial revealed would’ve led you to believe.
You could definitely be right. It goes to reiterate my point that we didn’t really learn a whole lot, which I’m more saying for my own benefit, since I’ve just about every reaction to the Direct from “Gods I hate this” to “I must preorder this right now”.
I think the teaching aspects could be fun from a resource/unit management perspective and I’d be fine being handed a bunch of trainee classes (as an aside, are there three routes in this game, one per house? This article makes it seem that way).
For me, it’s really going to be about the writing, and we really don’t know anything about that yet. But it is interesting to be that this trailer is so different from the E3 trailer (which I loved)
I actually really dig the academy setting. It’s something different and has potential for some fun mechanics. I’d rather they branch out with some new ideas like this rather remake the same game over and over.
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3Hs is looking like a trashy light novel set in a battle academy…and I love it.
I’m getting some serious Valkyrie Chronicles 2 vibes with the whole academy setting, hopefully they do it right since VC2 wasn’t a fantastic game. Either way, hoping it’s good and people can stop being so toxic about modern FE.
The fandom has reach critical mass, it’ll never stop being toxic.
already like this Modern look for fire emblem. the way classes are handled is also pretty good. the MU male and female don’t look to bad imo. I don’t really care if we have a MU as long as its done like Robin which he is the first MU to be important in a story, not like corrin. either have it or don’t have it
“as its done like Robin”
But Corrin was also important to the story. From the looks of it Byleth seems very integral, so there’s that.
people hated corrin and how fates revelations story line was presented. If Byleth is important or not, im fine with that
what I want to know, will it have casual mode?
Probably. Intelligent Systems is most likely aware that permadeath scares away many potential customers, plus every Fire Emblem game since New Mystery of the Emblem (FE12) has had some way to play without permadeath. Even in Fire Emblem games without a casual mode, you can still reset the game whenever somebody dies. That’s what most players do.
This game looks great but everyone is not asking the right questions…
which house will you choose on your first playthrough?
I am thinking Faerghus for me
Leicester all the way. Because Federations rock!
…Unless they have some stupid nerfy perks/powers. Why must they be so cruel to the Free Lycian United Carcino Holy Roman States League Marches???
This game reminds me of Bastard Magical Instructor so far. I hope a second season comes out soon.
Didn’t like how they barely showed any combat, but other than that, so far so good.
wait- did i see punching in that
can i have my whole army punch the enemy?
can i have the avatar punch the enemy to death? that’s what i want, now.
Excellent indepth overview
Noticed when Casper used the iron gauntlets he was able to attack twice before the enemy had a chance to counter attack, possibly an advantage to using fist weapons?
Also when Bernadetta uses Curved Shot there is a 3 that appears next to the skill. With weapon durability right below that number it can be assumed that skills are now connected to durability, the better the skill the more durability you need to spend.
You might be right about Casper hitting twice due to weapon advantage but that seems a bit odd don’t you think? A weapon’s advantage suddenly having the ability to double before the attacked character can counter, thats not how it was in older Fire Emblems unless it was a brave type weapon. I think the gauntlets regardless of what type they are (i.e. Iron, Steel, ect.) have an innate brave effect, that seems more likely.
It might also be a nod to the original FE6 outline, in which swords in combat against axes would always double.
Was that really in 6? Cause if it was then I never noticed since most of the weapons, even swords, were a good bit on the heavy side, not to mention most of the characters had low cons and were somewhat slow to boot. I know that any weapon could double (quad if using a brave weapon) if its wielder had like 5+ speed over their target (sans Gaiden/SOV of course, only needed 1 point of speed to double).
They meant it was in the design documents, but never made it to the game. Originally, they planned to make the weapon triangle really prominent, by giving additional bonuses like swords will always double attack axes.
There’s more info in this article.
Oooooh, ok. That actually sounds like a awesome feature though maybe slightly busted with swords having a brave effect against axes.
Thanks, I added a note about Caspar. Hmm, not sure what the 3 could be, but that’s a good observation!
What is the FeMC wearing? Are those leg tattoos? Wtf why does she look like that?
They look like patterned stockings.
Patterned Stocking, common in japan modern fashion
I think you mean Black Eagles, not Golden Eagles. Just to point that out.
Yup! My brain wasn’t switched on properly, haha.
I’m seeing a lot of inspiration from Valkyria Chronicles and Persona, of all things. There seems to be a big focus on character management and customization. I assume this will be reflected in a lot of slice-of-life/day-to-day interactions at the academy, and I wonder if and how much that will cut into the actual overarching story and the battle gameplay.
I agree on the Valkyria Chronicles vibe, some seem to be getting VC 2 vibes thanks to the school system which I think is a fair assessment. I’ve never played 2 though I can’t say for sure, same with Persona. Personally I like it as I really like VC despite only ever playing 1 and the demo for 4. Hopefully the classes for the characters aren’t too generic in a sense.
Looks… different. Way better than Fates, though (at least at the moment), and the three “paths” will be in one single game: having to pay for 3 games that didn’t convince me was the main reason I didn’t buy Fates. I still don’t like those generic jrpg designs, and a marriage system will look even worse now, it would turn this game in your classic anime visual novel. But I think the “teaching” thing will heavily rely on strategy and that’s just great.
I’m not seeing how these designs are more “generic jrpg design” than a lot of the designs we got in the past.
Part of it is that they’re just faces, no head/body gear or accessories that would influence their design. Ex: Ike’s headband, knight armor, pope garb, etc.
I really hope they fix this by release.
This doesn’t make it more “generic JRPG design”. It’s not like characters wearing armour sets is something unique in the JRPG genre.
Also, characters wearing uniform-like clothes fits with the context of TH. And besides that, characters wearing clothes not particualry suitable for medieval warfare is something FE always did, even in the older games.
Maybe it doesn’t make them more JRPG, but it does make them more generic. Even Persona separates it’s cssr by giving them different outfits than their school uniforms.
Most jrpg’s styles are a mix between medieval and modern ages, and so we have motors and flying ships while fighting with swords and bows. These characters’ clothes are uniforms from a random college and people nowadays could wear them without it being too weird. Besides, most faces look the same, even more than Kozaki’s.
I’d like to point out that the scene where the Avatar gets nailed by the axe and then rewinds so he/she can block the attack, the one attacking them looks like its the bandit boss Kostas although I could be wrong and its just a random bandit that has a oddly similar face.
Thanks! I added something about that.
No problem. 🙂
The way I’m picturing it right now is that Kostas attacks the group in a night raid en route to the monastery in the Prologue or maybe Chapter 1. This awakens the Avatar’s ability and gets them their position as teacher, but Kostas and his group are only pushed back instead of captured or killed. The next chapter has the knights figuring out where Kostas fled to and following to finish the job, hence Kostas exclaiming that the “knights followed us all the way here?”
Would make sense of Kostas apparently axing the Avatar in the back, the Avatar’s abilities seeming to be awakened by that attack, and the chapter battle with Kostas seeming to take place during the day.
I have to agree there, its likely the group runs into Kostas’ group during the night or were probably ambushed on the way to the Monastery. And I agree that this particular incident is likely what the narrator was talking about when the Avatar awakens their “mysterious power”. Hopefully more will be explained in a later trailer. Hopefully our guesses are either right on the mark or VERY close to it.
Well it seems to be going full bore on content. Like a Persona time/relationship management with Hogwarts type of lore structure and Fire Emblem mixed with Langrisser battle tactics.
A few things I noted that may or may not be significant. Sothis is an incarnation of Isis the Egyptian goddess that shepherds the dead to the Underworld but also with Anubis who is the god of the underworld. She may well preside over some dimension akin to the otherworlds of other games, which are also associated with Manakete and Dragons.
The Adrestian Empire is a clear nod to Byzantine Rome especially with double headed gold eagle over imperial red. The Holy Kingdom of Faerghus is represented by the winged griffon which is used by many cultures. And Leicester Alliance is clearly inspired by the Holy Roman Empire. The HRE was a series of independent princedoms that existed as a loose confederation, and the title of Emperor itself was an elected position, rather unusual for an Empire and its said in the trailer that the one archer is the son of the current league alliance head. In that case it might not be dissimilar to a Moot or a Republic either.
Byleth is an interesting name because its the name of a Grand Duke of Hell in the Lesser Key of Solomon. He has the ability to change genders at will (The male is cool and quiet and the female is very friendly) and provides love to whoever summons him by making others love them with a blessing. Interesting indeed but we knew that name already.
The Armor type seems to represent roughly 15th century plate armors used by Italians and Germans. The architecture seems to indicate this as well but thats attention to detail i wouldnt expect from Fire Emblem.
Gonna be some good stuff methinks
Nice catch with the mythology! Going off of that origin for Sothis, I’m assuming that the avatar potentially dies and comes back with some kind of time bending power. Sothis likely teaches the player how to use this in their ‘visions’ of her. I’d be willing to guess that she exists in some kind of purgatory like space.
I’m also willing to bet that this will be implemented in battle as a limited ‘rewind’ command that allows the player to go back by a turn or turns to undo a bad move without restarting the battle. Didn’t they do something like that in Echoes?
Yep, Mila’s Turnwheel. No doubt they wanted to keep that in for the continuing influx of new players. Development of SOV and TH overlapped, of course, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they just nailed that down as something they’d just do going forward, no need to wait and see how it goes over with people. (I hope we get an achievement for using the rewind for the first time again so I can avoid it again for pointless bragging rights, haha.)
I’d actually be really happy if they simply scrapped casual mode altogether in favour of a variation of the turnwheel. That would be a good compromise.
Or you know they could also have a casual mode since it doesn’t hurt anyone to have it and helps new people get into the series. The more people who play the better off the future of the series is. This elitist attitude is the problem with the community these days. There’s nothing wrong with having a classic and casual mode.
That’s not really how it works though. Casual mode is a really bad way to allow new players to complete the games. It’s designed in a way to brute force new players into having the same outcome as veterans who don’t get any units killed. This is fucked up in many ways, since small failures were always part of the gameplay.
I’ve had this discussion many time prior. Casual mode is not particularly useful, as there are several superior ways to ease newcomers into the series’ gameplay. It encourages and conditions people into using playstyles and strategies which are not effective in classic mode. That’s why it doesn’t really help them “get into the series”.
It’s not a matter of getting people used to the combat when there are people who really only want the story. It’s the same reason games are starting to have an easy or story mode in everything. People just don’t have the time to play an entire game just for story and characters…especially not one like fire emblem where a character dying just means you have to reload (because let’s face even hardcore players are prone to do this) or potentially do so bad that you get to a point you can’t continue on because you made too many bad calls. Many people would call this a waste of time. The idea is to deal with the consequences of bad actions but for many people they just reload. For those people a casual mode simply makes it easier for those people who just want the story/character interactions without getting too frustrated by the gameplay.
You look at this and see casual mode is not being useful and you’re absolutely right when it comes to getting better at the series but let’s face it not everyone wants to or has the time to. Some people are in it for the story (lol), the characters, or the combat but they don’t need to be challenged to still have a good time. The people most likely to play hardcore will try it from the get go and ignore a casual mode anyway. Most of the people who play it on casual mode will never play classic mode to begin with a casual mode is bringing people to purchase the series which again in the long run is only a good thing for the series. Who cares if they are getting good at the game or not when they are assisting in funding the next one.
Good job, you managed to signify exactly why modern FE is shit. If not for the gameplay, there is really nothing to write home about the series as it’s frankly always been fairly poor in the story department. And it’s not only about casual mode, but all the other things that deviate from what makes Fire Emblem what it is. The series is built on lasting consequences, and each choice that you make sticks with you for the remainder of the playthrough since the games have a strict pace and you can’t go back on what you’ve done. You mention resetting if a unit dies, but that only wipes what you did since the last save. Experience from kills matter less when you can grind levels. Item management matters less when you can grind for gold. Units matter less when you can buy legacy units or play on casual. These three resources should always be in the player’s mind when playing a FE game, but modern FE let’s you forget about this since there’s always a way to make up for your mistakes.
It’s not as easy as adding a casual mode and a classic mode and ship out the game. Classic as a whole is damaged when casual exists, as they’re balanced on completely different principles. In older games, it was almost impossible for even the worst of players to get stuck and being unable to progress with the game, since you were always thrown bones on the form of a prepromote who could replace any dead unit, the level curve in general being low enough that you could deploy a lower level unit without having them die right away, or other systems like BEXP or simply early promotions allowing unused units to be brought up. 3DS FE expects you to grind, buy DLC, or in Awakening’s case spend gold to grab characters from other FE games. Heck, Awakening in particular has only like four prepromotes and they’re immediately shit because they can only support Robin. This is not something exclusive to casual mode, it’s rooted in the game regardless of what mode you decide to play at.
It should be clear that the gameplay of FE is never something that will appeal to the mainstream unless it’s gutted like it was in Awakening. Without forward progression, the formula of the series does not work as intended. So no, I don’t really care about new fans bringing in sales to the series if these sales result in broken gameplay of future titles. It says a lot when only one of the last six games was good from a gameplay standpoint.
If they dont have the time to play games then they shouldnt play games. Switch hobbies
Yes and in Egyptian mythology death is merely the next step of one’s life and one could petition the gods or trick thenbinto letting you keave the underworld. Byleth may not even be alive in the strictest sense but I guess we’ll see.
And yes Mila’s turnwheel allowed a few steps back once a battle iirc.
Guess that’s the why the game asks for your form, not your gender.
I have two concerns:
1) I don’t like the high school aesthetic. But I can live with that.
2) I don’t like how the entire trailer focused on high school life and not the gameplay. We’re out here combing through screenshots that appeared for one second to get our info. To me, this indicates that their priorities are off.
Hoping for the best though. Would like to see more on gameplay ASAP.
I understand the frustration since I want to know more gameplay details too, but the trailer is targeting a wider audience, so it’s focusing on the more broad stuff, like the setting and the three houses.
I expect to see gameplay info in places like Famitsu and the official site. Or maybe in later trailers, nearer to the release date. It was nice when they had a whole video dedicated to Fates’s My Castle.
I understand wanting to appeal to a wider audience. I still feel like they should do that through the gameplay though.
A lot of people play video games for the story and don’t really care about the gameplay. I’ll never understand this mindset, since it ignores the defining aspect of the medium. Nintendo built it’s empire on putting gameplay first. In know it’s IS, but still, I think the mindset is the ideal one.
Just gotta get my FE fix!
I think they gave more gameplay than you think. Sure, they didn’t show many battles, but any changes to that will probably want more focus than a passing remark in a trailer. Otherwise there aren’t any changes, in which case there’s not that much interesting stuff to show – fire emblem is a strategy game, with relatively slow gameplay. Fun, yes, but not great trailer material. Instead they showed the troop customisation. It might just be my interpretation, but the “professor levels” – which are essentially weapon and skill levels – seem to be what’s tested for the classes. We saw Edelgard need a C in Axes – this is likely her weapon level. This means we can probably decide which classes our students become. Students will have strengths and weaknesses, but we’re free to ignore those if its necessary for our dream loadout. That sounds like quite an important aspect of gameplay to me…
That would’ve been great and all if they’d shown more of the actual combat. In theory, Awakening is a really deep game with a lot of different options to tailor your army to deal with different types of challenges. That is, until you realise that the dominant strategies are far too dominant, the difficulty modes are too skewed, the map design is too simplistic, pair up was broken, grinding was a thing again, and the progression systems were half baked and made the game feel worse for their inclusion.
That’s why they need to put out a separate trailer soon with 100% focus on the gameplay, so we can see how these in-depth “troop customisations” work in practice.
We’ll probably get two more trailers (a story/character intro trailer), and an in depth gameplay trailer in addition to the Opening cinematic. If they go the previous game routes they’ll probably release a few tiny trailers highlighting new features to the game in more detail as well. It is still quite a ways off.
Hum land of brionac….hope we get some ice barrier dragon and some manakete nekroz!
Shamelessly stealing from a tweet I saw. So which house are you guys going to choose? Slifer Red, Ra Yellow, or Obelisk Blue?
Or to word it for the even nerdier, WolfBlade, RuneHawk, or MystRaven?
…Probably not Ra, I dislike Claude’s design and as the main character of the group he’s probably forced in battle. I’ll need to see a little more of the game before I decide on Yugi or Kaiba.
Oh Man, I didn’t even think of that. Well if I can’t decide by release date I guess I’m obligated to go with WolfBlade now.
You know now that I think about it, the dorms in GX make way more sense than Harry Potter. Cause I know Griffindor and Ravenclaw respectively have red and blue for their colors and Slitherin is green but I can’t remember what color Hufflepuff’s is.
I am going with Golden Deer.
I am probably gonna play them first as well hecause what little we know if them is they are the smallest, they arent a unifued country being a confederation or republic if smaller kingdoms and have green and yellow which is a unique color scheme. In terms of characters it looks like Adrestians are gonna be fun.
Please dont have a romance option with our students AND PLEASE NO BABY MAKING WITH TIME BENDING STUFF
It is pretty interesting that Petra has a crit of 100. That’s unheard of in early parts of FE games for as far I know
In general, I think this bodes well. It’s not like Fates where I was completely off put by a game I should’ve by all right been excited for. The major gripe I have is not the academy setting itself, but what said setting might encompass. Since we’re put in the role of a teacher, it means that we’re put in full control of the student’s development. While this offers a lot of customisation, it also inevitably leads to a grindy form of gameplay where something needs to be gained from everything you do, or it will feel meaningless. It’s for the same reason I disliked the dungeon aspect of SoV, since as to not make the dungeons a waste of time, they need to give out rewards which undermines the resource based gameplay.
Now, the easiest way for IS to circumvent this is through only offering the player a limited amount of time to do all of the student guidance things between each chapter. If there is no limit and you can grind everyone to hell, I’m afraid the game will be beyond saving.
I sense some time management. I also sense a general higher level of difficulty which was also true for the last time they came to “home” consoles. I hope its not AS micromanagey as Persona or Valkyria Chronicles 2 was but there seems to be a lot to occupy our time in any case.
Nintendo has been getting better recently to not use the term “gender” when selecting character type. Pokémon asks your style, this asks your form…
Or it could be idealogically driven translation staff. Which I despise do to their grossly patronizing and overly liberal changes in Fates not limited to changing support conversation (the bread and butter of the series) or optional minigames because they are prudish and patronizing of the ability and maturity if the people buying the game.
I hate this, this fucking western neo-hipocresy, maybe something in non northern countries(i’m a latino, we don’t have that mess here)
Its not really a thing here either its just concentrated in certain areas and those areas are all echo chambers and happen to house much of the cultural businesses.
I somewhat understand your frustration, but the same text is in the Japanese version too. To be honest, I think they should have replaced “form” with “appearance”, because it sounds rather forced.
Something I noticed was in the E3 trailer, Hilda’s battle forecast still displays the usual damage, hit, etc. despite using a bow (at least the games I’ve played), when Byleth attacks her with a sword. In this trailer Bernadetta seems to only be able to attack at 2 range. Of course it could be an alpha build or they display it despite not being able to counter attack, but I think it’s of note.
Me 8 months ago: “I predict you play a lowly tactician/professor from a tiny neutral fief
with a university to kill and/or die for and, because a war *always* has
to break out, a war breaks out, forcing you to chose one of the three
dashing peeps above to the detriment of the other two.”
Yay! I was right!! Mostly, but Mercenary/Professor is just about the coolest thing ever, I’d sport that.
Looks exceedingly awesome and promising. Will Intelligent Systems redeem themselves? We. Shall. See. :3
Intelligent Systems did an oopsie.
Tibarn didn’t make it… People were wet about Sturdy Impact, but I really like him and the Tellius games, so I’m salty. The instructions did say you could navigate through the map, but I can understand since I didn’t have clear what to do after that. Godammit, IS, you couldn’t do anything good this anniversary, could you?
At least you managed to vote. I got a connection error each time I made an attempt at accessing the page.
I am actually happy about these results
I wasted a lot of orbs trying to get duma so its good I have another chance
Also wanted Azura quite badly and am not surprised by those 2
Who in their right mind would want that Lyn?
edit: I just now saw the hypothesis… makes sense (also really sorry I have a nasty habit of creating separate lines for separate thoughts)
You done fucked up IS.
Wait Wait Wait. So if I understand correctly we will get a banner with these 4 and then the colors will be randomized it wont be like the Brave heroes where you get to choose your first free unit? I kinda understood when they did it for the free holiday heroes but this feels like you should be screwed because you didn’t get a blue orb and the only one your missing is Azura.
I think it’s worse. I understood that all orbs will be yellow, and the character you get is completely random. So if you summon one of them and you don’t like it, a “screw you” from IS.
Ooooh that explains a lot! But a free 5* is a free 5*~
Sweet! Free L!Lyn (I think and hope so cause this whole thing would be complete bs and a waste of time if it is random in terms of color). Yes I voted for Regular Lyn, B!Lyn and L!Lyn but thats more cause I wanted those versions of her cause B!Cordelia was always in the way of B!Lyn and regular Lyn and L!Lyn just refuse to pop up (L!Lyn more so than regular Lyn cause of L!Lyn being on the Legendary banners from time to time).
Truthfully I am surprised she actually beat out Surtr and L!Hector but the explanation of not many realizing they can scroll the screen makes sense. Still a wins a win and theres nothing anyone can do about it.
I really think they should give you the colour choice – especially if there is a lack of clarity. Last years’s peoples hero or even a free choice on the brave heroes felt like a much more positive experience whereas as cool as Lyn’s animation is I know if I summon her I’m going to be pretty fed up. When I was choosing I almost went for Bridal Ninian several times though, as she was so near the starting point!
IS did a oopsie? This is the state of this fanbase, they don’t even read anymore. English isn’t even my first or second language and I knew what to do, but hey let’s blame this on IS. 38k voted for VL_Ike, the free unit you get playing the game, IS has to put banners every time you open the game telling you can get a free unit playing the story mode (linking where you have to go and an option to dismiss the message), let’s blame IS, yeah.
As is apparent, there are many who did not know that the ability to move the map around and search for other units. Why? Who knows. Maybe they didn’t bother to read the instructions that show before the search and just assumed what they see is what they get. What is apparent is that IS overlooked the fact that many people don’t know something exists unless it’s put right in their face.
The event designers could have added arrows to the sides of the screen to visibly show that it can be moved. They could have randomised the positions of the Heroes on the map. They could have used a more standard voting method. But they used what they did, and that design flaw’s on them. People’s inability to read instructions, to use some initiative and think “where’s all the other units of this colour?” and maybe at least try moving the map is honestly the biggest offender here. But then again, it is ultimately on the designers to make their product completely idiot-proof.
I think they could have made it clearer, but if anyone watched the direct or heard about hey if you find the askr trio you get double credit, kinda implies you can move around and find them…
The School Setting will make or break this game, just like the story focus ended up breaking fates by being a mess, seems they take cues from echoes in exploration and more open classes. I just want this to be good, fates overhyped and failed to deliver(and was botched on the western release thanks to western neo censorship)
I’m just now figuring out about this.
Thank you. I obviously still need sleep, haha.
Fire Emblem GX looking good.
damn wish i could go. those merch are pretty good
my life for a Lute badge T.T
How would I go about preorder if I’m in the United States?
Fairly certain it only ships to Japanese addresses.
Yeah, unfortunately you’ll need to ask someone in Japan to order to their address and then ship it to you.
I want so many things, can’t they int ship at least the cookies?
I think the other teachers will be playable not surprising judging by the female attacking the generic enemy could be happening at midgame and would be nice having non-student characters in the fray.
I agree, its possible the other teachers are likely mid to lategame prepromotes to replace anyone that was lost early on especially if they’re doing a iron man challenge.
I figured this was going to be the next banner. After the Lords of Laguz banner introduced beasts in January, and the Binding Blade banner coming in March, it made sense for there to be a Fates banner spaced in between that would give players the beast units that ranked the highest in CYL polls.
About time. These four have been requested for ages, though I’m still hoping for Ranulf and Lethe someday (or Lyre, for lols).
And I’m not normally one for “waifus”, but it makes me happy Panne is finally in the game, and free to boot.
“Cavalry Beasts”?
Also, you listed Velouria as a green Unit, but the image has her as Colourless.
Upon actually checking the trailer it turns out they really are Cavalry. I forgot Dragons have that thing going on too. Still, gotta wonder why these two are Cavalry while Nailah is Infantry.
Oh my gosh, this bothers me. I wish they were all just infantry.
How unfortunate that my most anticipated new Fates characters had to come right after the previous two banners drained me dry. Well, at least this provides some incentive to finally finish the chain challenges I’ve been holding off on for so long.
Whaaaat? It´s good to see a fates banner have more likes on a video~
Does that mean: The more Wall of text, the more popular a Unit instead of 4 or more skills in Basekit?
I swear I completely forgot about those bunnies from Awakening. And they’re losing no time with those beast skills, we already have all that give bonus to other beats. We’ll need some counters soon, like a beast slayer or something.
Gotta pull for my girl Selks thank you IS!!!!!!!!!
Um, not sure if this is a mistake or not but I’m looking at the news for this right now and it says Panne is a GHB character not a TT+. Could be a goof up on IS’ part cause I don’t see how she could be a GHB since most of them are either boss enemies or enemies that are recruitable. And Panne was an ally from the start of the chapter she appears in.
You got me there! Thanks for the catch~
They really didn’t pull any punches with these weapons, and I’m about as far from enthused as I could be for Sabotage skills
Panne is obtained through Grand Hero Battle, not Tempest Trial+.
A derp on my part. Thank you for letting me know!
430 orbs saved up, and I wouldn’t mind one of Velour or Kinu. I did save for the FE6 banner though, and since this overlaps with that one for one day I’ll hold off until I see what units will appear.
the wolfskins are here!
I wish they had their promoted skin, but these are great… I just hope I get both of them (don’t care about kitsunes at all)
i think you might have put clarisse instead of clarine ;w;
I noticed the crest at the top of the circle of crests looks somewhat like the Exalt’s Brand from Awakening, though not exactly. Perhaps this is a precursor to the Exalt’s Brand? Similarly, there is a crest that looks as if it could be an early version of the Fell Brand and even a crest that resembles the top portion of the special lance Azura wielded in the promotional art/cover of the Special Edition of Fates, albeit, upside down.
This makes me wonder if this game takes place sometime prior to Awakening, but after Fates, Shadow Dragon, and Shadows of Valentia. I am aware that Fates takes place in a different world than Awakening,Shadow Dragon, and Shadows of Valentia, but the Dragon-gates are a thing, and Priam is a descendant of Ike, but he exists in the world of Awakening, so perhaps different characters from various FE titles traveled to a new world and settled there and had children, then after a century or two, we have the events of this game? IDK, just a interesting observation, it’s probably nothing though, I’m likely overthinking this.
I was thinking that the crests represent the dragons seen in past games as that seems a couple resemble the symboles theat reprosent them anouther one i saw (first on the 3rd row) looks like anankos’ eye pattern/ the eye portal from awakening cant decide which.
It is possible that is the case as well, plus, if Fodlan really is the head of a massive dead dragon, then having the crest tie to dragons/manaketes from the series would actually make a lot of sense. Only time will tell. Also, I think the crest that resembles the Fell Brand (fourth on the 4th row) is the same one that is on the cape of the guy with the chain-sword from the first trailer, and might also be tied to the Church of Seiros/Sothis, which could mean, the Church might actually be villainous or have something messed up about their ideals.
ALTINA! Her Hair is blue, does this mean…!!!
Even Sanaki is Dual-wielding Ragnell & Alondite~
Well, those Celica cards are….colorful to say the least. 😀
70+ orbs, got nothing to show for it…
Another Ephraim for me… I some how have a +3 Ephraim all from non-focuses. And -Atk Kaden ofc. It would be nice for Velouria to drop, but her BST makes me think otherwise.
120 orbs netted me two Kinu and a Velour, so I’m pleased. I’ll keep pulling a bit with the tickets so I can get another merge for either.
I just noticed that there are two crests that have a strong tie to Naga/Tiki. Both of these symbols can be seen on the fourth row.
The first is the first symbol on the fourth row and it nearly perfectly matches the crest on Young Tiki’s tiara, the only difference being the line that goes through the small circle doesn’t pass through the crescent shape in this crest, but the one on Young Tiki’s headpiece passes through both the small circle and the crescent.
The second is the third symbol on the fourth row and it too nearly matches the crest on Tiki’s headpiece, though it is upside down, and lacks the small inner circle.
So it could be possible that the denizens of Fodlan are aware of Naga, which could hint that this game takes place in the same world as Genealogy of the Holy War, Shadow Dragon, Heroes of Light and Shadow, Shadows of Valentia, and Awakening. As to how far from Archeana/Ylisse, Valentia/Valm, Plegia, and Jugdral this Kingdom is, we don’t know. It could also be possible that Fodlan is the new name of Jugdral though, occurring at the same time period as Awakening. Of course, we don’t know for sure.
I save for the moment to see what Mystic/Legendary banner we get next week
The FEH story is progressing as expected. I wonder though if he’ll be made into a mythic hero, unlikely but he would make for a nice 2nd OC mythic hero.
I’m a little disappointed to see Nailah powercrept so quickly, but I guess that’s how the game goes
FE4 is my favorite game so I’m happy to read about this link to the past. Also, I really would’ve liked to see the fates of the mothers after the Holy War such as Ayra or Silvia; maybe even some of the fathers as well…at least, those who were supposed to survive.
Kaga did published some ‘dream scenarios’ that were old pre-production note, they were based in ‘scenario’ some would survive, other die and so on depending the pairing, that is why genealogy is so amazing so unique the franchise yet introduce what are the franchises mainstays
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s supposedly some cards depicting Elibe characters like the 8 Divine Generals right? I seem to recall there was a Roy card depicting him surrounded by other card or something.
That’s right, last week they showed Dieck with Armads.
Warhammer does a lot of audio dramas these days. Love it to bits. In Norwegian we call audio drama for “radioteater”. Roughly translates to “Radio theatre”(kind of obviously). I think that’s a fitting description at least .
I’m not sure if anyone else noticed, but the glowing sword the Avatar is wielding against the black beast is definitely shaped like the sword in which the Pontiff of the Church is holding in her scenes.
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t scheduled Fates yet.
I’m thinking they might do it as individual games, with maybe Birthright and Conquest back-to-back (or just as one game…).
Of course, I ended up with free Spd Tactics fodder – the only unit I already owned of the 4. Then I spent 200 of my saved Orbs getting what I actually wanted (Legendary Azura). But I did manage to pick up Fort Def/Res fodder and a +Res Effie, which I’d been looking for, along the way. So, not a complete disappointment.
Also got spooked by my first Silas coming in at 4*.
Tch, lucky you. I wanted Lyn and got Azura instead, a -ATK one at that. This anniversary is absolute crap cause I doubt anyone else has gotten who they actually wanted and got who they didn’t want, not to mention the free 5*s have possible boon/banes on them and aren’t neutral like they honestly should be. And I already ditched Azura in favor of giving Aerobatics to my Ceada cause I didn’t want Azura, she was -ATK anyways (yes I know she’s a dancer but there are times a dancer’s gonna get attacked, in fact the AI makes that priority along with attacking healers, so they need some attack in order to not only fend off their attacker but also ko said attacker and not get koed if they are slow enough to get doubled) and Ceada is paired with foot Regular!Marth so this helps her keep near him for the support boost.
Luck is subjective. In this case, we were both unlucky on the free summon.
Eh true. Just really wish they hadn’t gone the golden orb route where its impossible to know which one is the color you wanted like with the brave characters. Makes it a lot easier, everyone is happy with who they got and no one’s unhappy about getting the least wanted character (in this case L!Lyn).
Hot damn, managed to get Myrrh, the unit I actually voted for. The game was really kind to me today…
She’s -Atk, but I already missed her three times in the past so I don’t really mind.
I got Myrrh, too! She’s -Spd though, but I absolutely love this character!
I wish they would’ve just given us a choice. It feels like a slap in the face to have us vote for characters and then have the one you get be random. My favorite character won the vote, but I didn’t get her.
I like many Failed to get what I actually wanted which was Azura and I got a Duma which I already had due to his banners free summon I really wish they did give us the option
Not bad at all: a -res +atk Azura. I’m still thinking wether to use her or not, she’s too unfair and I try to not contribute the cancer.
By the way, has anyone else had a glitch with Palne’s GHB? Her art didn’t appear with the dialogue and both the event and map music kept playing. My poor ears.
I got Duma from the Anniversary Banner, I got Adrift Male Corrin from the Voting Gauntlet A banner and I got Innes from the Voting Gauntlet B banner. I cannot complain, despite I already having all 3 heroes. At least I got them with better IVs and I can nullify the banes/flaws.
I drew the short straw
I got Azura, I did want Duma but at least I didn’t have her yet. I already had the other two so getting a new unit was 50%
I see Elise’s hand still is not fixed for whatever reason…
Are you referring to her individual art shown near the bottom of the article? If you click it and go to “view image” (or right click and choose to open in a new tab or window), you can zoom in to have a better look. You should see that she has the correct number of fingers, but one is behind another.
Wait it’s been there the whole time and I never noticed?! The more you know I guess…
To be fair, it really looks weird
A Art Book who is like the actual game? This is dedication!
I got the one hero that i absolutely hated……immediately sent him off once i finished all my draws…….I hate duma
“details regarding the world and story.”
Oh joy…will they actually remember to give the world a name this time? Seriously, how do you screw that up?
Whoever designed Roy’s C must sit down and play FE6 and 7 this instant.
The Elibe duology has never been about “humanity fuck yeah”.
I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily the point. Strictly speaking, I think the skill works as it does to not make it too strong, and also as a counterpoint to Eckesachs’ effect. On the other hand, it’s also a fact the Roy’s army indeed does consist primarily of humans that gather together in the face of destruction.
It’s because Zephiel’s motivation is to rid the lands of humanity and replace them with dragons because he views humanity as without virtue, a view proven wrong by Roy.
It’s a reference to Roy’s rebuttal against Zephiel that humans are not as evil as he thinks. Roy believes in mankind’s goodness, hence the skill.
Also, Xander is grey, not red. Niles is blue, not grey. Micaiah is red, not blue.
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHOFCOURSETHEYWAITUNTILAFTERIUSEALLMYORBSTRYINGFORHOTSPRINGSAKURAOFCOURSEOFCOURSEOFCOURSEJUSTSHOOTMENOW
you ok man?
I basically gave up on Legendary Roy being a thing after Eir and Duma because I figured we were just doing Mythics now, so I went in hard for Hot Spring Sakura, hit 6% without seeing her before the Banner shut down, am not going to have that 6% roll over next year when the Banner comes back, which is an issue I have with Seasonal Banners, and then this promptly happened, meaning I have to scramble for Orbs in the hopes that I can get enough to go for it, that a Legendary Banner finally works for me and actually gives me the Featured Hero instead of having to wait four or five more of these before they finally grace me with their presence, and that I don’t get broken by (self-censored) Hrid, because if I get (self-censored) Hrid instead of Roy I might very well need to purchase a new device to play on because I just might break mine.
…So…no, not really.
Aw man, I’m really sorry to hear that
If it helps, you should try to not get orbs from Feh. That way it can build up & become something as pseudo orb bank
Roy my Boy~ He can fight against Julius´ Loptous tome!
hope this comes to the west
I’ve got neither Hrid nor Micaiah and the other colours each contain at least two heroes I already have, so I guess I’m sniping reds this time around. Maybe colourless too, since I wouldn’t necessarily mind merges for any of those heroes if they spook.
I think his blessing has to do with movement because it looks lake a pathway.
Roy is also being racist. What does he have against dragon and beast allies?
120 or so Orbs sniping red and all I got was another Gunnthra merge.
Guess I’ll try to get rid of this 10% pity rate then begin saving for his reappearance in late April.
Me too. I mean, I spent 400 orbs and all i got was
Gunnthra
and 2 Micaiahs. And a lot of Selena which is Reposition fodder so it’s no bad but i want Roy so badly
After getting screwed with L!Lyn as my free pull in the 2nd anniversary banner, it’s nice of the game to give me S!Micaiah as my free pull on this banner…especially since she was the character I actually voted for.
Also, how kind of them to give Roy a built in Duel skill…it’s almost like introducing that as a thing was a terrible idea and this should have been the norm to begin with.
As much I wanted another Micaiah, I save for her Brave version for now~
Well dang, Red in April is stacked with Marth, Ike and Roy! If I miss Roy here, I am definitely interested in that banner!
Oh man, luck has been so weird for me this month. Got completely surprised by the Valentine banner after depleting all my orbs after the last Legendary banner, but I adore Tellius so I’ve been spending ever orb over there with only a pity-breaking Karla so show up for the effort. And yet, with these last two new banners I’ve gotten Kaden, Keaton, and Legendary Roy spending only 4 orbs total. Sigh, now just have to decide whether to keep trying at the Legendary banner for Michaiah and Hrid, or see if luck turns around with Greil’s Devoted.
I got Roy in my second orb and then, after some other summons, Micaiah paid me a visit. I’m not used to this.
But they still need to fix some things, the game has been too boring lately. Aside from farming for SP and doing the diary AR, there’s nothing else to do for fun.
I’m curious as to whether they’ll keep on making the duel skills. They seemingly discontinued push as the sole representative of that skill ‘push atk/spd’ was only ever released on two units who were released a few months apart. Doesn’t help that the skill is… well, shit.
I had horrible luck im at 13% right now will try to pull more so I at least get 1 5 star hopefully Roy maybe Surtr
Wait…did’nt Linde and Merric alrwady have Dark Aura and Dark Excalibur?
They have, but they will also have access to the Tomes refinement, similar to how Julia has access to Naga’s refinement and Divine Naga’s refinement.
oooh Delthea~ Finally my 8 DEF Glas-Canon gets a new skill!
Also if I had a Brave Celica, I would do the same with her and give DB4 to my Reinhardt!
Good, writeup, and a nice video. I subbed to her channel.
*sigh* Very nostalgic write-up. I wish I could do the same for Fire Emblem Planet.
Another reason why many Fire Emblem fansites never recovered despite the success of Awakening was that mass social media sites like Twitter and Reddit became much, much bigger. Fansite forums were becoming a thing of the past, and any new traffic they might have gotten was funneled into other social media outlets. Only Serenes Forest seems to have survived.
History of the emblem is the poop. Love her.
Looking good! What’s Sophia do?
Oooof those early images takes me back I was here probably less then a month after PoR came out digging for info or looking for the Desert treasure map for whatever game I was playing 😀
Hey, been coming here since I was about 14 or so. I can’t remember if it was spritesheets or galdr/heron font that led me here first. Reading this post brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for being such a constant in the community. <3 Much love.
Love this
That´s wonderful~ This site and Fire Emblem.de Sword of Seals (German site) are my main source for informations!
And yes, Cipher cards are soooo detailed here and looks tasty~
Man, I vaguely remember the 2007 layout from back when I was first getting into the series back in late 2008. It’s the 2010 look that really takes me back, though… yeah, the site still looks largely like that, but I think it’s the legacy sidebar, lol! The lack of the WordPress news widget, too, just some lines on the page; the updates are definitely for the better, but I won’t say I don’t miss it at times :P. This site has been a huge boon to me and while I didn’t really engage with the forums/community for a long time (and these days I’m largely a lurker, so as it was…), I hope you know that this site really did keep the fanbase going in the Dark Age. This is still the one place I go when I need to fact-check myself (or figure out wth I’m doing in TearRing Saga, lol).
Kind of hilarious that they reveal Sophia with Apocalypse on pretty much the same day they reveal she’s getting a new weapon refine in Heroes….yet that one isn’t Apocalypse. Huh…
sorry, this is off topic, but i just released an Ike mod for dst!!
Isn’t this like Faye/s 3rd time showing up in a banner excluding legendary and her original? She such a rare pull…not that I mind too much cause Firesweep Lyns or Hinoka’s are a huge pain in the ass to deal with.
Micaiah is one of my favorite units to use on feh (I use her as anti-Lyn). And haven’t played Radiant Dawn, but I’m also a fan of her design.
Definitely Idunn is obviously the best choice to pull!
Oh hey, it’s the character no-one knew what to call back in the day. Tate? Thite? Thito? Teeto? Tite? (The Japanese is ティト, for those wondering)
This should put all that discussion to rest, at least. (I know her name was localizaed during the CYL polls, but this is probably the first time it’s been highly publicised)
Why would it be put to rest? I’ll still continue to call her Tate, since that’s the closest translation from her Japanese name. Dropping an entire syllable in order to form Thea is an unnecessary change.
I don’t get why it was ever translated as Tate though…the ティ makes a distinctly “tee” sound, or could be “thee,” but not “tay.” But still, none of that should translate as Thea. Seems they just did to her as they did Gwendolyn.
It was for the sake of making her name more natural sounding through English phonetics and also to: 1. Not give her the name of a certain political leader, 2. Avoid turning it into literally “tit”, and 3. Making sure it makes sense as Tate is an actual name. Also, ティ does not extend the final vowel. The full name is “Tito” and again, that doesn’t work. Granted, a more 1/1 conversion would’ve made her original name be テート, but Tate fits and is not really a stretch by any means.
That’s why I figure a better fan translation would’ve been Thito instead of Tate as it keeps the same ィ from the original and since テ has been associated with the “th” sounds in translations as is the case with the Japan pronunciation of the English word theme as テーマ (te-e-ma). Japanese is a screwy language.
But this aint the first time English localization has changed names, and honestly, Thea’s a good name. It’s the name of a Greek titaness who mothered Helios, Selene, and Eos (the sun, moon, and dawn).
Look, I don’t mind the name Thea. I just prefer Tate because it’s an actual name and something I’ve already connected to the character. Just like how your previous mention of Gwendolyn is someone I’ll always refer to as Wendy.
And if you name a character Thito for western viewers, that character instantly goes in the trash. No one will ever remember that name. I’m all for keeping the name sounding like the katakana spelling, and when you have the name ルトガー, then cool, you know the name is Rutger. But ティト in itself doesn’t really have a proper English equivalent. That’s why I think Tate is a good name since it actually exists in the language
Also, the point of translating is not to give a lingustic lesson to the viewers, but to turn media from one base of viewers into another. Especially translated Japanese is oftenmost just a lot of stuff that the translator made up because languages are not transferable. It’s not entertaining and it doesn’t draw people in.
If you don’t particularly care about who you summon but just want to potentially bulk out your 5* pool, go green with your free pull and ticket summons. Highest 5* chance.
So, if Rutger is still coming he’ll be free… Please, don’t be mediocre.
Yamada Kotaro’s artworks never interested me, but that Idunn is amazing.
life sucks man. I was expecting at least one of Tate, Idoun, and Sue, but not all three of them. don’t think my 270 orbs will be enough. rip
Same, I was really counting on being able to skip this banner, but then they dropped Idunn on me. I’m at 315, and I still don’t feel good about it.
You’ve still collected a fair bit since the RD one, if she’s the only one you want I have no doubts you’ll manage. I spent close to 200 and managed to nab two copies each of Velour and Kinu just recently, so I’m hoping for similar luck once more.
The rate is about 100-120 orbs for a 50% chance at a normal focus hero, so I’d say the odds are slightly in my favor, but not so much that I won’t stress about it. Especially since I like to have some sort of reserve in case of surprises. There are other FE6 characters I like, but Idunn is the only one of this batch I’m really into (Sue and Lugh don’t work out for me on about half my playthroughs and Tate, err, Thea, has never worked out for me, I don’t think.) Kind of bummed I went for the Ike alt though, since Idunn seems to be in that niche.
Yeah, I never pull for seasonals so that’s something that I don’t need to worry about. I was hoping for Perceval though and it’s rather surprising that he’s not in. Personally Tate is probably my favourite FE6 character, so I’m really happy she’s finally here considering the next heroes from this game might be a long way off. With HM bonuses she is really good, which ironically makes her worse on NM.
Sue is a bit of a toss up. I gave her a Roy support in my recent playthrough and it improved her early strength quite a bit. Lugh is nice as well but I usually ditch him for Lilina since it’s easy to train her up in the gaiden chapter after she joins.
Thank goodness the free unit is not another sword infantry unit… oh.
But why Thea and not Milady?
Cuz Tate’s better.
In reality it’s probably because units like Jill and Altenna who fill Miledy’s role are more popular and probably will make their way into the game soon.
Going for Idunn because the other 3 have a decent chance to drop to 4 star, especially Lugh
Idunn looks cute~
“Heads down” the best game´s box art!
So I dipped. 570+ orbs gave me: 2 Lugh, 2 Tate, Sue, Idoun, Elincia, Laevatein, Flora, and Zelgius.
I think I fucked up going green in hindsight, I really wanted Sue and while I got one, getting tricked by Lugh who I didn’t even want, twice at that, was the worst. After I pulled Tate twice I decided to snipe red to get more Idoun copies, but it clearly wasn’t to be considering how much off-focus shit I got.
All in all, rather disappointing. But I got about 50k feathers from sending home units, so Tate will be my next +10 project if she drops in rarity.
Didn’t get anybody but a second Brave Celica myself. In the grand scheme of it all, I can’t say I’ve had bad luck, but this was a bit of a bummer
I’d take that Death Blow fodder though. Right now I have two Lugh in my roster smiling ironically at me for wasting orbs on a colour that has two focus units, and he doesn’t really have particularly good skills at that.
The worst thing is that I already went through this with Eldigan and Aira previously (got three of the former) , and I still didn’t learn lol
Oof yeah, I probably would’ve waited to see Sue again elsewhere, because Lugh doesn’t really seem to offer much unkess you’re really into Gronnserpent.
I’m not really into the “4” skills at this point, as the marginal improvement doesn’t seem too neccessary to me. I guess I’ll save it for the next new unit I get that needs Death Blow. Still, I drained my orbs with only an Adrift Camilla and a Karel to show, and I could very well just send them home
Forging Bonds is interesting for this banner. Is it the first time we’re seeing a “Support” for a antagonist character? We didn’t even get that in Warriors.
But… Aversa
Oh that’s true. You could recruit her and support her with Robin in Awakening though.
Does Loki count?
Idunn is everything Zephiel should’ve been.
I saw they didn’t demote anyone from the Fates banner (yes, the one with those nice skills), so I sent a message regarding the 5* pool issue. And complaining about how FB must be the worst mode ever. At least tap battles are fun when the rhythm actually follows the melody.
I spent 150 Orbs got my 8%ish streak broken by a Keaton which I didn’t have so wasn’t as horrible as getting say ANOTHER Alm but all I wanted was Idoun and in the same circle I got a Lugh which is undoubtedly dropping in rarity after the banner and then a Linde in a Circle with no reds…. I really want her but the smartest thing to do is wait till she shows up in a mythic or a legendary banner and try to get her there.
Got blessed got 2 Idunns 1 with +Def superboon rng was on my side today!
This is absolutely gorgeous WOW!!!!!
33 days? GHB Quest 2 ends on almost the same date, that means: new update~
Got my Idunn in 60 orbs, now I only use some tickets for summon now!
I’m pretty sure Chinatsu Kurahana is actually a female so it wouldn’t be “Mr.”
Was late, I’ll fix that shortly
“‘In a dim cathedral where light peeks through, a person is standing alone
with their arms spread out. There’s a slight eeriness in their majestic
figure…'” They’re already hinting that the church is evil. -_-
About the boxart for the Switch box, nope Claude’s holding a normal bow. It actually looks like a steel bow judging by the color but that might just be because I’ve been playing Warriors lately and the steel bow is of a blackish color with the part where its held being gold.
No orbs. No desire to play it.
They are really tightening up on the free orbs. This is pretty tight fisted even by IS standards.
No orb rewards? The optics to FEH has gotten so bad that at this point I’m half convinced IS is just trying to self sabotage.
Ayyy 1500 Feathers + HM for tapping~
Thank you very much and Good Bye until maybe next year FE6!
And still not a single Marcus. Oh well, let’s wait until a FE7 banner and see if they include him. He’s the Jagen of two games, dang it.
Marcus is more of an Oifey in FE7 though. Regardless, I hope to see him in the game as well. It’s probable that we’ll get a FE7 banner this year.
Isnt it about time for a new event calendar?
Didn’t we get one just yesterday?
Those are some wacky leggings f. byleth is wearing…
Now I really want to know whose POV this is being sung from. I hope it’s a well-written character because this makes me feel sorry for them…
I think the very reason they are keeping the song title from us is because of this. Which is good, I like it when there are things we have to infer ourselves when the time comes.
What’s up with the obnoxious dubstep in this song? I loved Lost in Thoughts and Heritors of Arcadia and the all the different arrangements, but this song is ass. It’s a shame since the lyrics are good, it’s just the accompaniment, so hopefully we get a better rendition in game.
Hey Raven, I just wanted to point out that Delthea is also 5 star exclusive like Sonya and also has “worth” for pulling on this banner, unlike Klein and Sophia.
I understand you may have not meant to infer that she is not worth pulling for, just that the line about Sonya is not exclusive to her.
Even without merges, my Delthea (A+R-) is so much stronger now thanks to her refine~
I wait for the days to get pitybroken by her! (please not on a Micaiah Banner!)
I’m wondering about that Roy and Lilina card looks like Roy in a Great Lord class and Lilina in a Sage class. Roy’s attire design kinda resembles to his attire from Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U and Ultimate.
Wow; this song sounds good. From the lyrics, it sounds like a person I talking about a particular moment of peace and joy, and they’re lamenting that it is inevitably going to end, and they can’t even truly enjoy this moment because of something about them or something they’ve done.
One thing I find interesting is the imagery: Curiously, rather than the typical imagery of a storm or a sunset coming to indicate that the good time is running out, the song goes with the edge of dawn; i.e. sunrise to get the same idea across, when dawn is normally used to indicate that good times are coming soon; they’re just on the horizon. It’s interesting. What do you guys think?
Nice illustration for Roy and Lilina, seeing them like that i wish they would remake FE6 next.
Well, if the Echoes director has his way, that’s what you’ll get.
Not sure why they used brown/olive for the color for Three Houses, but I guess it’s better than reusing the same color as another series.
I guess if you mix Red, Yellow and Blue, you will get Brown as the result!
25th April? thats like 16 years after the release of Blazing Blade~
More bunnies… They must be the ugliest type of alt, and I hope I’m not forced to pull for the TT. The girl reminds me of Lachesis for some reason, the other one should be Eldigan, then.
so much damaged clothes flying around is almost one person who draw this so consistently: Asatani Tomoyo, does that mean Eirika or Ayra?
The symbol on the jewel of the sword is found in the circle of symbols around the goddess. Also, the goddess vaguely looks like a mark of the exalt.
The basic pose on the girl makes me think Micaiah but that’s the only guess I got
It’s fantastic having a lot of this artwork in good quality after so many years.
Well that was indeed a trailer cant wait for the actual post to see this discussion
WHAT. An actual Marisa alt?
>Instant regrets for spending 700+ orbs in the FE6 banner
At least you should have a month to summon for her, I guess.
That’s true. But I’m also down to 12 orbs, so hopefully game will decide to play nice and give out a bit more than we’ve gotten lately.
I originally thought that the orb decrease was because last month they overcompensated us due to anniversary. But this wasn’t true at all actually. It was January where we were overcompensated (likely due to the New Years stuff).
My guess is in April we will see a new game mode to accompany the new blessing effect from Roy and the new legendary, and that mode will supply more orbs to us.
you hear that noise, far in the distance? the wailing? that’s anna sobbing because IS learned nothing and gave loki an alt before her
honestly, I do not care about this banner at all as the only one I’m interested in is going to be the TT+ reward
Bruno and especialy Veronicas ears are sooooo long~
How about we change the name of this game to Flier Emblem Heroes?
They used Cats at Play from Radiant Dawn as the music for this. A.k.a that song that only played in one scene at the start of 3-1. Nice to see it get more exposure.
Marisa voice just sounds so DONE
Don’t really care for any of these units, but I got Veronica on my free pull. She’s -SPD/+DEF, so it looks like I have a new sacrifice to the inheritance gods. Hope you guys get the characters you want! Good luck!
Lucky I have never got a new unit as my free pull. Got a couple old units like that but not new.
Went in with 130 orbs wanting Bruno since its his first appearance and then Veronica if I could. Got Dorcas in a ring with no colorless, then Bruno a short time later then finally gave up after a Diedire (yes I know I spelled that wrong) with 7 orbs left.
A nice detail was Marisa addressing her support with Tana for her reason to be a pegasus knight here. Considering it takes the whole support chain for Tana to break her front, hearing Marisa refer to her as a friend is a really nice development for her character.
They do that with a few people, the only one that comes to mind atm is during the Laguz forging bond events Tibarn speaks of his fellow Laguz Kings and the meeting that occurred during PoR, of Crimea’s history and Elincia
That’s really the best thing about Heroes, these additional interactions that flesh out characters that had little chance of ever seeing a remake anytime soon. At the very least I can appreciate that.
Yeah, the quality of the writing has steadily been increasing somewhat ever since the last third of Book II. It’s one of the game’s really enjoyable aspects, which is a shame since they’re all pretty brief.
Thanks for the update, however brief! I’m getting all too excited/impatient for this one haha. A quick note though: I believe you meant to write “Black Eagles” where you’ve written “Golden Eagles.”
Funny enough, he made that same error during the February analysis too. 😀
Ahh, silly me. Thanks! I always end up flubbing the easy stuff XD
Let it cook. I’ll wait.
“Golden Eagles” indeed lol anyway even more evidence of a support system which was obvious from the 2nd trailer Gameplay in that one segment but more apparent now only thing is if Dual Strike/Guard will return which I wish since it still has great potential but we’ll see soon enough.
Byleth likely works like Cross from Xenoblade Chronicles X or the Persona protagonists. No dialogue in the story but has battle quotes.
We’ll get back to you on that (well likely not lol). I’m just gonna say for myself no that’s not going to happen no reason to for now 4 games with a My Unit and previous ones can talk fully except in cutscenes(Corrin only saying one thing before the choice and never again after with only the important characters talking to you directly and not back this likely will follow suit here). Also wouldn’t work at all in Supports before saying Persona it work because that cast was smaller while here will have over 30+ characters and that’s not even mentioning the different pairing combination players will make. That’s how I feel about this.
That Celica reminds me of Devola’s NieR Automata version. Has the same pose as her artwork and all.
“Brown/olive”.
…for the sake of calling a duck a duck one could just call it “bronze”.
I hate these spring banners, I always seem to pull these heroes somehow though.
I’ve always skipped out on these spring seasonal banners, but I managed to get Catria on my free pull so fortunately I’ll have a bonus unit for the tempest trial.
Yeah I got Marisa on my free pull for the other one. I think I have a Spring Sharena and Alfonse from some other banners where they appeared.
Man, I’d trade you any 5* I have for her. I have a knack for only getting characters I don’t really care much for whenever a 5* shows up in the free summon.
Yeah, she’s definitely the best of the characters on offer so I shouldn’t complain much. Just not into the seasonals, myself.
Me neither, I only ever went for Tana before this. But I’m 150 orbs poorer now and no Marisa to show for it. Curses.
Btw, minor gripe, but August is from Thracia, not genealogy. Cool stuff otherwise.
They choose Melady for Maltet over any of the Pegasus Knights. A rather curious choice.
Now my bunny Camilla is +1 merge +Atk. But there’s got to be an easier way to merge these seasonal alts the IS can implement.
Sweet concept art!
Very nice!
Game just had to rub it in here by giving me a free male Kamui, while I’ve gotten three off-focus heroes in my quest for Marisa.
Hey, see things in a positive way, at least you got several 5* units.
I spent around 250 orbs to get Marisa and all I got was a Bunny Veronica after reaching a rate of 5.50%…
Yeah, I got a Cliff so my Tana is now a monster with FD/R. But still. It must be my imagination but it feels like whenever I spend money on orbs in this game, I almost never get what I’m aiming for. I bought 140 to shoot for Marisa with and only got other things. It’s always the free orbs that have been the most successful. I’d have taken that Veronica honestly.
I do wish they had them at high enough resolution to read~
Very interesting. Thanks for the article.
I like this Family-banner~
Dragalia Lost collab? To bad, this game is not supported in my country.
It is possible to bypass this by first using QooApp to download the game to your device, and changing your Nintendo Account location to a Country that the game is currently available in (e.g. U.S.A.).
That’s basically what I did when the game was released, since DL wasn’t available in the U.K. until quite recently.
Yeah, or you can download the apk file, which is what I do, since the game isn’t available in my country.
Wow, that’s quite the amazing banner. Good thing too, because my birthday comes up soon and I can expect some iTunes cards to come my way.
Interesting. While I always expected Yune as a Mythic, I was expecting Yune-possessed Micaiah, in the vein of the Grima!Robins. Also, she sounds way older than I’d pictured her. I always saw her sounding more like Young Tiki or Mae from Echoes.
But I’m glad to see one of my favourite Tellius NPCs get into the game. Looks like this’ll be one of the rare legendary banners I’ll be summoning on.
She sounds about as I’d expect in Japanese. Never trust English voices when it comes to things like this.
Yeah, children and young-sounding characters tend to be a weak point for most English dubs.
Glad I didn’t pull for Idunn (I still have some tickets). For some reason, I was expecting Sephiran but, is it right to have a literal deity already in the game?
I like that she is in the game and while I want her I think I will wait till next time when there might be more then one green in there im missing I don’t feel like blowing my stash just to get another Halloween Kagero
175 orbs saved since not getting Idunn (pity broken by Silvia and then Lynn… but you have to laugh…)… but is it enough or should I still go for Idunn?
I got Yune in my free summon! I am so happy!
I also got a 2nd Yune and a Legendary Azura with less than 100 orbs.
Abyssal reward shows up as a gold peach ducky rather than an orb accessory for me…
I believe the post is wrong, because the Golden Peach Ducky is the real reward for Yune Abyssal. There is a Orb Accessory in the data, but it will probably be for another event.
Makes sense. The ducks look the same to me anyway – Lilina is the only one who can carry off wearing a duck imho – it just looks like part of her hat!
Surprisingly, I got Yune within 3 summons. And so I’ll be saving the rest of my Orbs.
Took 300 of my 350ish orbs but I got Yune as well as Ophelia, Brave Celica, two Halloween Kagero’s, another Lewyn, another Halloween Mia and another Legendary Lucina
How weird. After four sessions without any single green orb, I got neutral Yune like nothing happened. Might pull for Idunn if I feel like it.
This is a pass. I got a Marisa yesterday but I want another one to get rid of the -def bane.
560 FTP Orbs: Kagero 2x, Lucina, Azura, Mia, Myrrh, Eir and then finally Yune~
Free Kagero for me. Not bad.
In a moment of great irony the bunny banner gave me Brave Celica and Lewyn as pitybreakers.
I’m pulling for the Feh with another Feh on her head lol.
Did the Owl just talk?! There is more effort in making this banner compared to the story in Heroes (which is a joke).
Let´s go Team Idunn~
I wanted to laugh, the joke is funny (although I swear people have made this before). But with the recent orb reduction, saturated pools and broken actual units, this feels like showing a 10 score after a man just jumped off a cliff. I know they aren’t mocking us, but feels like it.
Every Orb counts now, so of course I do the quest~
I don’t have any particular expectations, I just hope that they will somehow save this game from its inexorable demise.
The only thing I really want are demotes to some, if not all, first gen characters. Collecting and building my favourite characters into +10 units is about the sole factor I still play this game for.
I won’t be happy unless all 1st gen characters get demoted…including vanilla Hector. They’ve all been powercrept and the 5* pool is far too oversaturated.
I agree on the powercreep factor, though I still think that DC is a rather coveted skill even now that it has a decent amount of competition in the A slot. I wouldn’t oppose it, mind. Giving Idoun DC is something I’ve wanted to do even before she was announced.
While I think all gen 1 5 stars without good inheritance should be demoted, we have to keep in mind that legendary banners have always allowed people to avoid bad pitybreaks and will always continue to do so.
I can’t see all of them being demoted, or else legendary banners will lose value, and those are the games cash cows at this point.
Worst FEH channel of all. “Want a new mode? How about another arena with a gimmick?” “Want 5* exclusives, especially those worthless ones like Luke to be demoted? Not gonna happen, cause fuck you!”
This channel was one giant middle finger to players, and I’m done with this game.
You just had to bring Luke up, didn’t you? His missing portrait bothers me so much because I’ve gotten all the other Alteans around him to 5*LV40 and he stands out like a sore thumb. I don’t particularly like him, but I want him to hurry up and spook me so I can quickly get him caught up to his peers.
Luke doesn’t even appear on rate-up all that often in the first place, which is worse.
Not at all happy with that last bit of the channel. Removing all those 5* characters out of the summoning pool is a scummy move. Bullcrap.
What a wasted opportunity – this seems quite misjudged. Such a shame with the summoning pool – they could have just implemented a free summon a day mechanic from the regular pool like Star Ocean or Knights Chronicle and it would feel a bit better. 5* Mist anyone? Why ask for feedback if you are going to ignore it?
“Is this a late April Fools joke?” – wise words from a wise man.
I don’t know how I was dissapointed when I expected nothing, but seems like they fastened up the game’s unavoidable death.
Yeah, it seems like everyone kind of agrees that the changes to the summoning pool were…odd, to put it diplomatically, and more importantly don’t seem at all concerned with addressing the issues people have been having.
I had previously proposed cycling out units for each banner. For instance, any new banner might give you access to a certain group of heroes within the pool. This would encourage people to pull on banners they might not if, in addition to focus heroes, a banner had a higher chance of yielding Kleins or Reysons, for example. This still seems like a better solution. Of course, some units just need to have their rarity reduced as well.
I’m still waiting for the pvp against people in your friend register…
This is a bit disappointing, but I still don’t get why people are saying they are killing themselves (unless its about orb reduction than yeah that wasn’t smart)
what about dragonflowers?
They will be given out as weekly rewards within the Allegiance Battles mode, based on your performance. It was mentioned in Elieson’s Feh Channel writeup, under the new mode section: https://serenesforest.net/2019/04/04/heroes-feh-channel-april-4-2019-brings-pair-allegiance-battles-summoning-pool-changes-resort/#more-50588
Thank you for the response! that is very good to know…
Do you also happen to know if dragon flowers carry over in the new merging process?
I don’t know for certain but I’m almost sure they do carry over when merging. Could you imagine the uproar if they didn’t lol
hey, if they don’t, maybe IS will give us some free orbs as an apology XD
I’ve seen people try to reason that they can still show up in focuses down the line, but honestly I don’t think that’ll happen. Could they? Yes. Will they? Probably not.
Most of the 1st gen characters don’t have a skill that are worthwhile for a focus. Linde is good, but she has no worthwhile skills and they all exist on a dozen other 3/4* heroes. Luke’s got Panic Ploy, but he’s yet to show up in a single focus since his introduction…I highly doubt that’ll change now.
Also as far as still showing up as pity breakers in non-new/special banners goes…is that suppose to make me feel better? I only ever pull on those banners when there is a specific hero I want (like the newest on with Ishtar). I’m still going to get upset by bad pity breakers on those so…issue hasn’t even been fixed.
I commend those who try to take a positive outlook on things, but this shouldn’t be one of those times. FEH’s drip feed content is frustrating as is, but when it comes to big changes, this was suppose to be it and it was underwhelming. This is a bad precedence being set.
Yes finally! Abel (my first 5 Star) gets his refine~
Personally still waiting on Rebecca to obtain the Rienfleche as a prf refine.
The Gallia banner was released, and Alicia isn’t in it? 0/10, won’t summon.
Who? I don’t remember any Alicia in either PoR or RD.
Even more confusing due to the other female character from Gallia being Lyre. If I had to wager a guess, he’s probably referring to Ilyana, because while her hometown is not explicitly stated, Gallia is where she’s recruited. Her Japanese name is also イレース (Ireesu), which can look something like Alicia if you butcher it enough.
Not gonna lie, Ilyana would be great cause I like her as a unit in both PoR and RD mainly cause she actually gains strength to wield those heavy tomes with ease since strength is pretty much the con of those two games, something Soren really lacks in. Her JP name doesn’t look anywhere close to Alicia to be honest but it would not surprise me if it got translated to Alicia for whatever reason.
No, Lakmé was right. It was a reference to Valkyria Chronicles.
Unrelated jokes seem to go over my head.
I think they’re talking about Valkyria Chronicles (there’s also a country called Gallia)…
XD Can’t believe I missed that.
That’s exactly right. I was referencing Valkyria Chronicles. To make matters worse…
I…I spent all my orbs for Yune…. T.T
You forgot to add Distant Def 4 for Caineghis.
Well this is an unexpected but very welcome banner. About time they started focusing on other games rather than just Fates and Awakening. And Ranulf who is my favorite of the Beast Tribe characters finally in the game and I’m glad for that. Hopefully they’ve done him and the others justice, especially Caineghis cause he’s their king so he deffinitely should be extremely powerful.
And from their PoR selves that I can remember is that Lethe was super fast but wasn’t exactly tanky or strong, Mordecai was powerful, very tanky on the physical side and extremely slow and Ranulf is like Lethe but way stronger and slightly more tanky but still not so as Mordecai.
I think I’m gonna go after all four, though Ranulf is the one I want most.
IS added a polemic pool updapte that guarantees decent pity breakers in new banners but doesn’t fix most of the problems it has. Now they release a banner with some of the most memorable characters of Tellius. Interesting maneuver.
If Haar is trash I quit the game. You can’t do things like that to God.
you mean… the same with Seth?
but Fliers are really good in game!
Oh dear, even now I have to struggle to deal with it. I hope he gets the Naesala treatment. We should create our own archetypes for Heroes, like if a unit that should be great but it’s really bad, it’s a Seth/Titania. Or an Eldigan when a unit is on a banner just to prevent you from getting a better character.
Lethe and Haar pretty much brought my interest in heroes back they better not suck!!!
Going to end up whaling for Caineghis and Ranulf at this rate… don’t think my current orbs will be enough. I hope, at least, that the banner sticks around as long as Idunn’s. Also psyched about the free Haar, though that probably means he won’t be too good
I’m lowkey hoping it’s just gonna be PoR Haar to justify him not being OP.
I’m not really sure what a good defensive flier even looks like in this game without some skill that currently doesn’t exist. I think there’s no way Haar could be good because of that (which is why I have no hope for a potential Travant and why my Minerva warms my bench), even if he weren’t a GHB reward.
Sumia and summer Innes both work extremely well as defensive fliers for me.
Myrrh and young summer Tiki as well I suppose. Also girl Grima to a certain extent.
Yeah, I get a lot out of girl Grima, but I feel like she kind of proves my point. She has good def and res, plus Dragonskin to remove her bow weakness and adaptive damage to compensate for the lower attack she has from having decent mixed bulk. Myrrh is kind of similar, in that her skills compensate for holes in her stat spread.
How does Innes do? Doesn’t he have really low res? And wouldn’t archers still one-round him? I guess it’d have to be a Brave Bow, since he is pretty fast and archers aren’t. Haar is kind of more in the Michalis archetype (and he turned out to be a worse Cherche, who already had Gerome…), though in Radiant Dawn, he’s kind of good at everything
I see your point, though with those mixed defenses Myrrh would be pretty tanky even without Great Flame. Although of course that helps her out a lot.
The recent legendary banner had me accidentally +2 him, but even before that he’s been on my flier team longterm now. He does brilliantly. Archers are a problem for every flier who’s not girl Grima, but his high defense and speed mean he got the Iote’s Shield seal from me, dedicated archer baiting flier on the team. Technically he prefers player phase because of Beach Banner’s bonus, but in practice he does enemy phase just fine, especially since I usually fully buff my fliers and have ally support. His base res is 23 now, which isn’t good but not completely debilitating either, especially paired with the 48HP. At 44 base speed there’s not a lot that can double him.
In an ideal situation in enemy phase fully buffed and with ally support a dragon would be going against 31 res. At the mentioned 48HP that’s more than enough to take a single hit. In player phase it could be 33 if you’re initiating on a dragon or mage with CC.
With 37 base def and his speed and HP he can pretty much take a single hit from a fair number of archers too, especially when buffed/with support, but with the seal he barely takes any damage. So on a flier team he was the best candidate to deal with archers when necessary in EP.
Sumia is deceptively tanky and meant for enemy phase with her Reprisal Lance and close defense.
With summer Tana and Airzura rouding it out I’ve been running a half enemy phase flier team for many months now.
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Yeah, obviously Iote’s Shield alleviates the flier weakness altogether. My Raven Spring Camilla still has that, but I guess I can rotate out as necessary. There is obviously some opportunity cost there though. My issue is, in the Infernal GHB for Haar, I one rounded him with an unbuffed Kinshinoka with 49 atk. I can definitely see how Innes can be tanky, but he’s really fast, and doesn’t have DC, which is obviously a good thing for tanks, especially since my primary concern is those Infernal legendary hero battles and the like with one million reinforcements. I’m not sure what you’re using Innes for though. My flier team, and the only one that allows me to handle those difficulty modes, is Elincia, Kinshinoka, Airzura, and Eir. So very different style. I’m not sure it’s even possible to tank those modes honestly.
Thinking about it, I think the speed is the biggest difference. Without it, most archers and mages will punch through tanky Wyverns (even Laegjarn isn’t too sturdy). Gerome and Cherche have made me uncomfortable for that reason. I don’t really know what to do with Haar, since he’s in their archetype.
I actually cleared all of Haar’s battles with the fliers mentioned above on first try, except I had L!Azura along instead of regular Airzura, who has maxed her HM. Slightly less effective on the whole, but Summer Tana obviously had a very easy time with Haar. I think this was one of the easiest GHBs.
Innes is indeed really fast. Ah yes, DC. I guess I could try building a flier team around L!Ryoma. Maybe with Yune, for laughs. But I like my current fliers, they work well. I use Innes for anything that comes up using fliers, mixed phase all the way.
I haven’t bothered with all of those legendary hero battles on Infernal, sometimes just couldn’t be bothered after a few tries. I know, I give up too easy. But it just wasn’t any fun.
Generally though I would rather bring a debuff team to those battles. So I’d bring Hrid, bunny Catria, brave Veronica and Gunnthra. Or the original wind team if it’s wind season.
Eir is great, but I’ve not yet been able to use Kinshinoka well.
Yes, the speed makes all the difference. He’s one of my fastest units overall. But even my slowest flier on that team has 38 spd unbuffed. Speed, the great defensive stat.
Laegjarn’s pretty fast too, but her res is bad.
Cherche is a hit and run player phase only unit. I probably won’t be using Haar. Unlike you I’m not attached to the Tellius games so it’s not really anything to me. I didn’t pull for any of the recent Tellius units (except Yune). You probably did. Any luck?
They’ve been mercifully making the GHBs on the easier end, compared to the LHBs. I recently pulled my L!Azura, and I shockingly haven’t gotten a lot of use out of her so far, but I also mean I just pulled her in the last banner.
If the fliers work for you, then by all means stick with them. I’m just disappointed I don’t really see any niche for Haar, and I’m a little surprised they did this to him, since he’s a huge fan favorite and maybe the “best” unit in Radiant Dawn. He was also on my short list of heroes I’d been hoping for a shot at. I kind of took for granted that they might make him unique after making Naesala awesome (which I’m eternally grateful for).
I’m sure you could beat them if you put a bit more time into them, but they are definitely not fun. I’ve had to let the last couple sit for a few days because I was banging my head against a wall. I may have mentioned that my Kinshinoka runs a Brave Bow. She’s also +atk and has a merge. Almost certainly the MVP of my entire barracks. I love Eir. Mine has the atk/spd bond seal, so she can grab a ludicrous +13 atk/spd not counting flier buffs, and Sparkling Boost really helps with Duma
I’ve been very lucky. I have all of them. Although, it took about 700 orbs and some absurdly good luck on free summon ticket pulls (I have 26 orbs to my name now, but didn’t have to whale) and Tibarn, Nailah, Lethe, and Ranulf are -spd. Yune is the only one I don’t have, but I also didn’t try for her. Reyson came recently as a very lucky 4* free pull. And, not a Tellius unit, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention Idunn. She’s -atk, unfortunately, but she was also on my short list of wanted units and never expected to see her, much less in between two Tellius banners. Regardless I’m very happy to have her.
I haven’t been using her that much yet either. For fliers Airzura with her native Hone fliers is just more convenient.
Naesala, Panne and a random Kaden are all the beasts I have.
I did try a little bit for the bird Laguz because I always thought they were really cool but had bad luck and gave up early. Same with Idunn, I did try a few times, and I came away with some 5*s, just none of the focus units.
Mine’s +atk too, -res and has her original bow. I’ve used her on occassion in AA or Squad Assault, since her prf bow can be useful. But I’ve not found a team for her. Had her a long time, she was a lucky pull on her first banner.
Not sure who my MVP is these days, Raven’s not quite as good as he used to be though still very good. I guess Inigo is as useful as ever, and Fjorm’s +4 now and still really useful. I’ve also had fun using Hrid a lot and L!Roy has probably permanently replaced L!Ike on my arena team. Always useful to have an anti dragon unit around.
Eir’s permanently on the AR team. Mine’s +spd and +1.
No luck getting a 4* Reyson here. My Yune’s +res -spd and I gave her Desperation. Using her that way kind of feels like trolling, but it’s fun.
Sounds like good luck on your side for sure.
I agree. I guess with atk tactics/prayer wheel, she’s supposed to be run with mixed teams, but I’m not great at assembling those.
Pretty much all the beasts are at least decent, though they kind of have to be run in specialized teams. I guess you could argue my birds are my flying team right now, but they’re too squishy to survive PvE encounters at the highest levels. Almost seems like they were made for Aether Raids (I take back everything I said about Aether Raids. They’re awful). I actually run fliers in AR too. Only team I can do okay with. I’ve found all my Raven tome users have been powercrept. They don’t really survive Reinhardts any more, though your Inigo is obviously merged.
Yeah, like I said, very lucky. Although, I think Tibarn, Nailah, Idunn, Lethe, and Ranulf came on free summon tickets. And while I’ve had incredible luck on this banner (seven 5* in 150 orbs, including the four focus), I actually didn’t pull anything else really trying for the birds and Idunn, so that was very stressful
I’ve used her in the training tower. It’s usually easy to throw together a mixed team for that, especially when bringing valor skills.
Yeah, I’ve just not had much luck getting any.
AR is indeed awful. I’ve made it to Tier 20 now, don’t think I’ll ever get to 21. I’m running a weird team of Inigo(+4), Hrid(+1), Eir (+1), Fjorm(+4) and NY Laevatein (standard razzle dazzle + savage blow) with switching things out depending on the bonus. Half the time it works ok, then it doesn’t. I’ve tried running a largely armor dragon team on anima season but I find I’m either no good at using them or and this I believe is a big factor, EP oriented teams are shit for AR offense. Basically I didn’t put that much thought into it and will continue on that path.
Yeah, Inigo still usually survives, but he’s cutting it close these days.
I’ve spent a few orbs on the legendary banners, but not much. Got spring Xander as a free summon. On Idunn’s banner I got spooked by Leif, horsie Chrom and Celica. And on the new bunny banner by brave Celica and Lewyn, ironically while the legendary banner with both of them was still active, and another horsie Chrom. I did want some of the bunnies, I just think they’re fun? Did get Bruno, and also Veronica, but originally I was trying for Palla mostly.
Yeah, but I mean, I can solo the training tower with some units by this point, unless you mean for leveling units, in which case yeah, especially since most of my dancers and healers have their HM maxed. I could probably use a new healer…
I just made tier 20 this past week, and it will be all I can do not to slide back down. I’m running Spring Corrin, Eir, Kinshinoka, Airzura, and Aversa, regardless of season. I think Aversa’s pretty essential because of her tome’s debuff. I’ve had the same issues though. I definitely think you’re right about enemy phase teams in AR. And also armor. I have Duma, but I can’t seem to make him work. Though Idunn would be the only other dragon I’d have.
I pulled another Spring Alfonse as a free pull. I enjoy the art, but I’m like “what am I going to do with you?” I don’t use cavalry at all anymore. I know I got my streak broken by Brave Celica when going for Idunn. I don’t exactly remember what if anything got me during the first Tellius banner. I think I pulled the red tome Camilla there, which was a huge bummer, and maybe also Leif as well. They don’t have any good skills, but I turned them into combat manuals out of spite.
Two for four isn’t bad, and at least Lewyn is pretty potent. I also really liked Palla, and honestly the art of everyone in that banner (we won’t speak of Loki), but I knew I wouldn’t use them if I pulled them. My barracks is bloated as it is.
I meant for leveling, and yes, rotating out healers and dancers for that because of HM. Plus, with a mixed team, Atk Tactics + Prayer Wheel is very convenient for buffing units that you’re training.
Same as me, though I wouldn’t worry too much about sliding back down. You only have to balance out defense losses after all, for that. I’ve never even trained Aversa. And this season I’m running Yune instead of Eir. The top down structure of the AR maps is good for her.
Yeah, my defense map is currently full of armor dragons, which I feel a little bad about, but at least I’m not pulling any bs like isolating dragons in corners behind tons of buildings/decorations. That just feels scammy…
Duma, Halloween Myrrh, winter Fae and legendary Tiki on defense at this moment. With Axura and legendary Lucina because Future Vision is hard to predict.
Well you know mine is pulling duty on the fire horse defense oriented team, but it’s very niche. There’s not much call for him otherwise. I mainly use those horses now if I use cavalry or the mentioned debuff team of Hrid + Gunnthra with Catria and Veronica, they make short work of most things.
That Lewyn will probably end up as +1 for my -atk one or as skill fodder, I haven’t decided yet. It was my first brave Celica so that was nice, even at -atk.
Palla is very cute, Loki wasn’t on the banner so we shall not mention her. While we’re not mentioning her, somehow the costume was magically terrible but not worse than the original while the anatomy got worse…
Bruno matches Alfonse, which I thought was funny, they can be spring festival bunny friends now, reunited at last. His damaged art is beyond ridiculous though.
I don’t really understand how the defense scoring works. The most you can lose is one full battle’s worth of points, but your team will usually see enough fights that you’ll lose one eventually. So I don’t really know how to even slow the loss of points, which makes me wonder why it’s even worth investing in defense. That said, I’m a huge troll. I have Brave Lyn, Reinhardt, and Veronica in a narrow corridor and Summer Micaiah and Legendary Lucina next to them. Plus, Aversa is a walled off corner applying mass panic. I’ve seen Lucina fly across the map to get some kills I feel bad about…
I think there are still a lot of good horses, but I don’t find the extra move compensates for the terrain vulnerabilities and lower BST in this meta. I never got Hrid though.
I don’t like Lewyn really so I’d guide him off in a heartbeat. I’d probably give Odd Atk Wave to Nino, so that she self buffs every turn (I pulled and merged an Ishtar like one day before that refine went live. I’m still a bit bitter). But there’s obviously so much you can do with his skills, like Special Spiral Ophelia.
Palla is very cute, and Marisa is very cute (as an aside, this Tellius banner has three men. That’s wild). I hadn’t seen Bruno’s damaged art. That’s hilarious. I don’t know about Loki’s anatomy being worse, but I don’t what’s going on with that…would we call it a leotard? It’s a shame too because I like the art style
The reset is at a different hour than FEH in general, but you lose points (or not) for the first defense battle that “day” (20h). And in anima season for example having Duma + an anima blessed unit or more on the defense team will reduce the losses, and also legendaries in the right season if they are in addition to mythic in the right season. The other day I lost 5 lift because of Duma, Myrrh and Fae having anima blessings, legendary Lucina and having defeated 3 enemies. Max loss as I can see right now is -80. Each enemy you defeat reduces that by 20. Duma unmerged + 2 blessed allies + L!Lucina = another 15 reduction. If you succeed for whatever reason you don’t lose any lift.
Does that help? I saw the actual formulas somewhere. It changes if you have merges on the mythic heroes and if you have more than one from the correct season(s) deployed.
In offense, always bring a bonus unit -> immediate +20 score. So simply offsetting defense losses isn’t too hard when you use a bonus unit always in offense. Even if you can’t prevent defense losses, you get to fight more offense than defense, so at a max 80 loss per 20h you can mitigate that and not slip down a tier again.
Leveling up your fortress (D) also helps massively with not losing defense too often/without any kills.
I feel like I may have encountered your team but those aren’t the units that usually give me trouble. Inigo and Fjorm deal with the majority of that easily without anyone else even involved. I mean Inigo has been meant to counter both Lyn and Reinhardt from the beginning and it’s not like Veronica does much damage to him either. The dancer and Lucina are more of an issue. (and the fact that bowbreaker only works for colorless bows)
Horses are massively dependent on what maps you use them on, but that debuffing team made the last TT+ so very trivial. Hrid is awesome. I had +def, then more by chance than design got +atk on the latest banner he was on and merged to that. Just lovely. (and now soot free)
I will use a Loki to do just that, yuck Loki. Special Spiral is much more valuable, but I don’t have Ophelia.
That is indeed wild, completely unheard of.
Yeah, that does help (thanks!). I’ve been pretty stingy with my blessings. I probably should use bonus heroes more, but I find it just leaves me with a team that is less optimized. So I’m not sure how much I actually save that way.
My fortress (D) is level 4, which definitely helps, though that’s only because I accidentally leveled instead of my offense one…
There are a lot of teams like mine, yeah. You don’t see a lot of dedicated green counters anymore, so I think a lot of people struggle. Plus, Aversa’s debuff is always active.
Yeah, the problem is you don’t really have a say in the map, where fliers don’t care (they trivialize Duma Infernal, for instance, because the game apparently didn’t expect you to fly over the swamp.
I forgot Loki had it too. I’m envious. I really want that Nino build
You’re welcome.
The bonus heroes get an atk/def bonus to their stats and that extra 20 points is just a lot. So in light season if I bring Eir+1 and a light blessed hero and a bonus hero -> 121 lift per perfect win. Granted it’s not always easy to find a bonus hero to fit with the rest but it’s usually worth it imo.
Mine’s 3 I think, my offense is 4.
Dedicated green counters? Do you mean counter units which happen to be green or units which counter other green units?
Aversa is just annoying for sure.
Well, if we’re not just talking arena or AR then you usually know what map you’re going into.
But I’ve also used fliers of course on maps that make it difficult for others. Or sometimes on wood maps, armors with armor march because they treat woods as a normal field. (which is how I somehow still lure some units into a trap on my AR defense map… ) (Yune trivializes dealing with Duma in AR once in desperation range… got her set up with DB, Desperation and Brazen Atk/Res seal, she hits so hard once she get into desperation range, and Glacies then hits for 40 additional damage)
Despite Nino still killing basically anything I haven’t been using her as much lately. Should just +10 her already, lord knows I have the feathers. You reached your 880k yet?
Speaking of feathers… the new voting gauntlet changes have made it much more bothersome for me to get good amounts of feathers from a gauntlet…
I think I’m at like 9500, but I also haven’t really touched the mode. I don’t enjoy it, and honestly, it’s not like I’m going to he using the grails or the flowers really.
Yeah, I meant the Gronnraven users and such. I don’t see them much really. I’m primarily concerned with the more difficult PvE content. Anything that gets me orbs really. My problem is I find it hard to invest in a cavalry team that might be unusuable on some maps.
I don’t use Nino too much either, but I’m still a fan. I did get my feathers and nearly maxed a Nowi. But I’m not sure now who I want to merge, so I’m just sitting on them mostly.
The general idea of the Gauntlet is to sit on your hours until a big bonus and unload your hours and feathers all at once. Easier said than none, but better that it’s not time locked, I think
I enjoy it more than AA and a couple other modes, doing 1-2 battles a day is alright. But it’s not great.
Grails… it’s a hard choice, but I have been considering Arvis, mostly since I actually use him.
I don’t know if I’d ever make up my mind and pick a unit to invest in with the flowers.
No grails for Naesala for you? Or Lyon?
Inigo’s just convenient with his triple utility. But I’ve also not seen many TA Ravens anymore. I saw a brave Lyn with Cancel Affinity though. That was pretty uncommon.
Cavalry doesn’t need that much investment when you’ve been playing from the start like we have. You should just have basically all you need already anyway, but well, it’s not like any particular thing is actually “necessary”.
I did some of the older chain challenges recently, and being lazy and unconcerned with HM I just brought Nino, Inigo, Fjorm and Marth. That still deals with just about anything.
I’m sitting on 634k feathers atm and not sure what to do with them. All the units I like using enough to 5* +10 and have the resources for are green and I don’t need another green.
Yeah, I got that but it’s much harder to than before, imo. More down to luck being awake for the hours necessary to max reward. Maybe it’s better in your timezone.
I think it’s just about my least favorite thing. There are some lineups that feel impossible.
My problem with grails is basically like my one with feathers: opportunity cost. There are a lot of units for each I could merge, but team construction and usage is important too. Like, I love Naesala, but he wouldn’t fit with other team constructions (unless I went Tiki-Nowi-Fae, I guess), and it takes 2200 grails to get enough for +10, and then the feathers. I thinking of just saving them for skill fodder. The TT Camilla gives us free Hone Fliers now, for instance, and Naesala gives free Swift Sparrow.
I just find cavalry has been powercrept a bit. There are a lot of units they can’t kill now, except Reinhardt. Feels like he can kill anything still.
I should do the chain challenges, but they annoy me. I probably will once I hit the stamina pot cap, which will be soon.
I’m not sure yet. I do know I only hut a big bonus like once and still got a pretty good score. Otherwise I’ve been forgetting. But it did always seem that it was easier in my timezone. I’d argue it could be better for you now, since the bonuses don’t have to be backloaded.
Which would be another mark in favor of Arvis for me, since he’s already part of a functional team. But then I’d hardly ever use him for arena, and that’s pretty much the only place you really need a 5*+10. But I’d only need another 7, so I could actually do that right now if I wanted, I have more than 1750 grails.
Skill fodder is a good point with those two skills.
I guess I just enjoy the two older Nifl siblings too much. And horses.
They annoy me too. But there are so many orbs and feathers there… And I needed something to do on the side while watching something not quite interesting enough to pay full attention to. So some chain challenges got done.
The new system doesn’t change anything as far as time zone convenience goes. The bonus multiplier still increases the closer it gets to the end and you still need to hit an hour in which your team is weaker. It’s harder to place flags because you can’t if you don’t have hours left and those you can’t recharge other than by waiting. So overall you need to be on the lookout for good opportunities more often.
I did alright last time, but I still feel that it’s much more bothersome for me than before to get a good score.
Yeah, Arena’s the thing I guess, and like, I’m pretty content to just bounce between 18 and 19 by this point. I’d like to think the merges would help with other PvE content, but probably not.
I wanted a Hrid, but never got one. Now that cat beasts are a thing though, maybe I’ll be into Cavalry again. I love Lethe so far.
I believe the bonuses can oscillate a bit more, but it’s probably true that bonuses are bigger when you’re down. Still, you don’t need as large of a bonus because the multiplier has increased. It will be true that you’ll have to check it more, I guess.
Thanks to Yune I’m probably going to 20 again this week for the first time in a long time.
Of course 5*+10 makes other things easier too on account of the extra stats, but I don’t think it’s undoable without.
Fortunately the Nifl siblings seem to like being summoned by me. Except Ylgr, I never tried.
The kitsune have cavalry range as well. Now if only they were all beast effective like in Fates…
There are a lot more factors to take into consideration so it doesn’t feel like a fix, it just feels like you need to jump through even more hoops to get anything out of it.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s that hard. I’m just thinking the reward isn’t too great.
True, and really, there’s only one more cat anyway, Lethe’s sister Lyre, who isn’t really that important. So it looks cavalry beasts would have to be Lethe, Selkie, Kaden, and Ranulf. Infantry beasts are the wolves, tigers, taguel, and wolfskin, and then there are the armors, who I guess will be lions, Skrimir and Giffca. Beyond that, we’re pretty much done with Laguz…except for the dragons. Not not really enough for a pull team anyway. Ah well, at least the birds are a complete set, and double dancers is ridiculous.
Yeah, I wouldn’t call it a fix either. I think they were trying to break the pattern of everyone saving up until the end and also a really confusing multiplier mechanic. So a fix in that sense, I guess
Panne is cavalry too.
Aren’t there more birds?
Bad design.
Really? Guess so. I can’t get my head around that. I’ve lost Lethe and Ranulf to anti-cavalry weapons during training because I wasn’t expecting the additional damage.
There are yeah, but they’re not really major characters and I’m not sure if we’ll see them in the game. There are two more hawks, two ravens, and a heron. I bet we’ll get the heron. He, Rafiel is Reyson and Leanne’s older brother and Nailah’s partner, which is probably one of the coolest romantic relationships I’ve ever seen.
Yes.
Oh I know about Rafiel 😀 and I agree.
>>>>Haar has a GBH
>>>>>>>>still no Nergal
Kinda crying, because I want Ranulf more than anything, but I don’t have any orbs left after the Yune banner ate them all (with no luck to even show for it…). Glad at least to get the first summon tickets, hopefully I’ll have the same luck from those I got from the Fates Beast banner with free summons.
I don’t care, there’s still a bitter aftertaste in my mouth after the FEH channel.
… So close to Jill yet so far D:
New icon: Eir helplessly keeps watching as Feh nabs her long saved orbs.
Wow, Cain and Abel refines are quite good.
I keep reading all the notifications back, but I’m still not sure why they think I’d be invested in Aether Resorts. I’m also not completely sure what the point of pair ups is, as I can’t see why one would need them for the modes in which they are available
After my crusade for Marisa ended with only four copies of her, game decided to let me have a Lethe for free. I honestly like Lyre more but it might yet be a long way off until she comes.
Yeah, I don’t really see Lyre being a thing anytime soon unless IS suddenly goes into a frenzy with introducing Laguz units. It’s unlikely another Gallia banner will follow so soon after this, and Lyre herself is rather insignificant in RD compared to a whole bunch of other Laguz who haven’t made their appearances yet.
My personal guess is that if she ever appears, it’ll be on a banner along other RD Laguz like Kyza or Vika.
Yeah, I’m inclined to agree, which makes me think I’ll be waiting for Skrimir for a long time. It’s also weird that Caineghis came first because the laws of gacha powercreep would suggest that Skrimir wiillbe much stronger when he’s finally released, which of course would not be an accurate representation of their abilities in Radiant Dawn.
The thing is, all Lions will be armored and therefore have innate DC. Which will make them all pretty good. It’s what they do with the stat spreads that matters then.
My guess will be Skrimir is summonable and has high Atk and Spd with low res, akin to GD Ike. Giffca may be free much further down the line (thinking GHB or TT unit) and have a more balanced, and therefore worse, statspread between the two.
And the other two may be colored, which innately will make them different and potentially worse than Caineghis.
This is fair. I was just thinking how in Radiant Dawn the Lions have basically similar spreads. I think it is more likely that Skrimir would have a color to him, especially since you can’t really run Caineghis comfortably with the other Laguz we have.
Wanted Lethe, but Ranulf isn’t a bad consolation prize.
Free summon was bubkis, First orb summon was Lethe, got Mordecai with the last of the 4 free summons and got Ranulf within 20 orbs…… I reallllllly want Caineghis to complete the set and there is NO chance of him becoming a 4 star unit. (My money is on Mordecai)
Got Maribelle from the free summon. 120 ish orbs got me Caineghis and Ranulf the two I wanted the most. I’m going to save up and hope for the other two as well.
Only 10 months until Book 4~
Arrrrgh Harr mentioned his partner why must they tease me with Jill??? With the beast Laguz this would have been the best time to put her in DX
this was a joke GHB in terms of difficulty.
But a GHB is a GHB
By now, pretty much all Infernals are jokes in difficulty. I usually hold out for the abyssals to give a proper challenge.
I consider Dragalia Lost a great game. They made a lot of changes already that made the game way more enjoyable than when it was released. Removing the Wrymprints from the summoning pool is really welcomed, and we will be able to create these Wrymprints using one of the games currency. The co-op multiplayer is also fun.
About the Collab, I expect the Askr Trio in the game, but I would like to see characters like Marth and Robin in the game too.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad074bb72fd3791d80a1bcedf047da348d2cdaa9258014e0908bb0b02b95d3be.png
Isn’t the art number 2 Eirika instead of Caeda?
Yep! Just a silly mistake on my part. I have it fixed now. 🙂
Yo Kirie, you have Barst down by Roy. Pretty sure that’s not quite right.
Bah, he must have gotten shoved off weirdly when I was organizing the album. Thanks, I’ll move him back up where he belongs.
Got 5* Hana on the free pull, could have been worse
GENNY AND LUTHIER!!!
I thought the guy on the right looked like Joshua.
If this ends up being an Echoes banner, the odds of getting Legendary Alm this month somewhat increases. Which I am ok with.
Genny and Sonya, maybe?
I wonder if anyone ever gets as angry with the Cipher cards like they do with Heroes.
Cipher does at least looks like trying to be diverse.
Genny seems a fair bet. Jenny and Delthea maybe? Although I really can’t tell the one on the right.
Lyn or Azura I guess? just kidding~ here is to hope for Delthea and Tatiana!
is that a Crossbow in the unknown in-progress character art? maybe it´s George
That´s brilliant! You can put Fates alt in a long awaited Echoes banner without getting negativity from people~
It’s nice to finally get SoV alts not named Celica. The lightly dressed armours strike again, though at least this time they have the slightly plausible excuse of being weighed down by their picnic equipment.
Looks like Flora will be the star for me, because dagger armour is a pretty unique combination. It’s unfortunate that I’m still reeling from Gallia and the Spring banners.
Eh, this is an ok banner though more Fates characters are really disappointing despite the sisters not having any previous alts. Think I’ll gun for Genny (mainly for that Wrathful Staff to slap on my other healers) and Lukas mostly but if I get either of the twins (or both) then thats fine too since they have the only weapons capable of dealing with beast characters at the moment.
I really love this art, and also Genny and Lukas. That said, I’m not sure if I want to open the can of worms that is “Fire Emblem characters dressed like people in the real world” alts
but then I ask: what about Bikini´s and Swimsuits?
You’ve got a point. For whatever reason I was considering swimsuits a separate thing. I mean, Lukas is wearing a tie…I don’t know
Genny’s art is very cute with the deer. Reminds me I’m looking forward to seeing the deer in Nara again.
This whole banner feels completely out of nowhere though, in every way.
But Felicia’s attacking animation looking like she’s about to spill her pot’s contents on someone is admittedly pretty funny.
Very cute! Shame I spent all my orbs trying to get Mufasa. I’m actually looking forward to Leo – for all the negative things IS have been up to most of the recent TT+ units have been at the worst good fun and at the best pretty interesting. I have even come to appreciate bathtub Camilla!
I kinda want the twins but I will probably just skip the banner overall for the safety of my wallet
Felicia’s Eldhrimnir description is wrong. It grants Spd +3 and reduces Atk/Spd.
every stat of Felicia is at least 30?! But Lukas is now a very tanky boy~
Now?
I quite like this Alfonse art. Really looking forward to the crossover. I hope FEH gives us bonus content/orbs to celebrate, at least.
I remember the Path of Radiance site being pretty bad, it listed the BK’s class as Paladin and Ashanard’s as Lord. But the Sacred Stones one… didn’t it have voice-over narration describing each of the nations? I always thought that was cool. So I’d agree Sacred Stones got the best official site.
Can’t believe even the official FE7 site used the “trust no-one” tagline.
The Awakening background information was really interesting, revealing a few things never touched on in-game, like how Gangrel knew Aversa was a double agent all along, a scene with Basilio and Olivia that occurred shortly before Chapter 10, as well as Lon’qu and Basilio observing “Marth’s” fight in the arena. One thing I feel doesn’t get a lot of attention though is a mini-walkthrough for the first 11 chapters of Awakening, hosted by Anna and, bizarrely enough, Havetti, the generic pirate boss of PoR’s Chapter 3. I haven’t found any translations of this online, so if anyone can find the original Japanese, please send it to me as I’d be interested in translating it.
Still didn’t have a Faye after all this time. Just never had the luck so decided to try for her so spent my Orbs annnnnnnd got Genny… because of course XD
Finally the floodgates have finally open this looks so good!
with the new details coming out on the 25th of April, i have another reason to look forward to my birthday.
All aboard the hype train!
Persona 5 and FE: Three Houses news around the same time? Plus Avengers this weekend? This is going to be a very good week. 🙂
IKR?!
*waits patiently, hands clasped*
I’ve been looking forward to this.
Edelgard only has 4 movement because of the enemy and the trees are blocking her path
If that were the case, she would be able to move two spaces west and then three spaces north
*drools*
Finally some new info. Nintendo keeping dark about a new game honestly isn’t normal, both Fates and SoV were having info spat out almost monthly (or was it weekly?) till their respective releases (Awakening too most likely but I wasn’t aware of it as much as the other two).
the scans in this article can’t be used? the pictures can be zoomed in though or is it a mobile only thing?
https://nintendoeverything.com/scans-roundup-fire-emblem-three-houses-oninaki-more/
https://nintendoeverything.com/new-fire-emblem-three-houses-character-and-gameplay-details/
A lot of details, but great to know!
Although it’s most of what we know the newer details is awesome so much to learn and experiment with!
Can I get a little more confirmation on what the first axe class is really called? I’ve been seeing people translate it as both Fighter and Warrior.
It is Senshi, which is traditionally translated as Fighter. However the Japanese name can also mean Warrior, but Fire Emblem has a different name (Yūshi) to express that. Hope that makes sense.
So likely Echoes difficulty? No Lunatic or etc? That kinda sucks.
Could be an unlock this time.
There goes the hopes of Skyrending Pulse replacing casual mode altogether. It would’ve been a good compromise in the sense that players can undo certain key mistakes without butchering the entire gameplay progression like casual does.
Thank you for the fantastic article as always!
4 mov Byleth when classed as Myrmidon..? That’s certainly new. I think it looks very likely that movement range will be lower in this game?
The map shows TEN units? That’s pretty interesting! From what we know, each house has 8 characters, 9 with Byleth. I wonder who could be the tenth..? It’s level 5 Byleth so it’s still early.
It’s interesting how there’s no mount, flying or armored class existing in the first promotion. I hope this won’t make the early game too samey; it’s sure to branch out later on beyond just weapon types (like the first promotion) and it’s extremely likely we’ll get three promotion tiers in this game (we saw some of the 2nd tiers in the Nintendo direct trailer and they didn’t look like “final” tiers), but the available classes early feels very limited.
Pretty sure you are spot on with who is who in the class listing; Leonie is the only one I’m not 100% confident with, but she seems likely.
It looks like it’s taking a page out of Echoes’ book. Interesting to see what they do with it.
The map showin’ 10 units… that’s kinda strange. I just want to know if we’ll have Beast Units. It seems unlikely, ’cause the students are the only playable characters (at least right now). But… I’ll be waiting more news.
My bad, it’s just 9 units, so par for the course. The mini map was a bit blurry and one of the unit icons wasn’t actually a unit icon.
Not sure what to think about the comeback of the Rewind System. I hope it’s not as generous as it was in Echoes. And hopefully, they balanced the difficulty accordingly this time. I’m more open to features like Rewind if they make the game at least harder. Echoes was too easy and putting Milas Wheel on top of that was a bit of an overkill. Also, not a fan of lunatic not being there in the beginning.
Can’t play… this game is not available where I live. It has been more than 6 months since launch and they still have this region issue. Guess they need to learn something from IS, because Fe heroes is available almost worldwide since day 1.
Oh yeah, that is a problem. I hope they find a way around it and fast.
Hm… Dragalia Lost is not available in my country’s Google Play Store too, but I downloaded the app and installed the game, and it works perfectly! I just need to re-download the app in each version update, but this isn’t a problem for me.
I have the same problem with mirishita, so I downloaded apkpure and can get the updates from there easily. Might work the same for that game too.
Wait, if you have downloaded the app once, you can go to the Play Store, My Apps and Games and update the app from there.
Dragalia Lost doesn’t appear in “My Apps and Game”.
Here’s a example: Every time we have a game update and I try to start the game, a notification appears saying that a new update is now available and ask me if I want to update the game now. If I click “yes”, the game will open the Dragalia Lost page on Play Store, and in this page says “Dragalia Lost is not available in your region”, so it don’t allow me to update the game through Play Store.
Do what I did (before the game was released in the U.K.) and install QooApp on your device.
Using QooApp, you can download basically any mobile game, regardless of your region.
I already tried using QooApp on my ipad, but when I try downloading the app the app itself is region locked and I can’t download where I live.
Is that because you tried to connect your Nintendo account beforehand?
Nope, because when I click to download QooApp on my iPad, it automatically goes to the App Store page to donwnload the app. But then at the App Store it says that this App (QooApp) is not available in my region
Oh lordy, iPad.
You’re not able to download the QooApp APK from a Google search (bypassing the app store)?
So far I could not find any link besides going through the App Store
Try downloading from here, see how it goes: https://apps.qoo-app.com/en/app/880
I already tried on this website, but this link is for Android not iOS
Ah of course, I didn’t check that.
I’m reading up, and it seems that the only way to get QooApp on iOS is if you download it from the app store.
Apparently you can create a new Apple ID and set the location to Japan, then you can find and download QA in the app store. But I’m not sure how many are willing to go that far.
Yeah, just tried doing that, creating an north american and a japanese account to download the qooapp, and in both cases it failed because it said “your device is not compatible”, even though I changed the region, I also tried downloading Dragalia Lost directly with the new accounts, but the same message shows up.
… I pre-ordered the limited edition… I don’t even own a switch yet so that’s even more money I need to spend… lol
I am legitimately disappointed that Dorothea loses her hat upon promoting. The game better have an option to give Dorothea her hat back, whether that’s in the form of an accessory shop or a costume selection feature.
I hope we can swap between the default outfits and the current ones through an accessory shop since I love them this is unacceptable!
#HatLivesMatter
Wow thanks for translating all this info! Looks like the battle system will be great as always, maybe better than ever before.
I just hope they focus on the visuals before release…because they look very bad honestly, FE always looked great whether on GBA, GC or 3DS but here the textures, characters 3D models, animations, facial expressions, landscapes & even visual effect look very ugly & without any unique style.
I’ll trust Intsys to somehow make the game look better in the few coming months before release, they still have time.
I wouldn’t say the 3DS games looked particulary well.
But I agree, IntSys need to improve the visuals. I can accept the badly looking floor textures, but they really need to reduce the aliasing of the character models.
I mean compared to what the 3DS can do all 3 FE games were beautiful!
Yes I agree on the aliasing & characters faces, from what I saw of FE: Warriors it looked far better than this & that was a full on action game!
Awakening’s battle system also looked great before release and we all know how that turned out.
Nah Awakening turned out great & this one will probably be awesome. If they weren’t I wouldn’t be playing the series to this day & follow the news for this new installment.
If you liked it, that’s great. Personally I was appalled by the decision to sideline permadeath and make a story that is on the level of a fanfic. Story for me is easy to ignore though if the gameplay is good but that wasn’t the case when it came to that game.
The permadeath was used in Awakening though & is still used to this day in FE, even in 3 Houses.
I just don’t get the divide of this fanbase honestly, I have played the GBA, DS & 3DS FE games minus Fates which I don’t have yet, but the series is still the same & only changed the artists, got better music/presentation & mostly better gameplay over all, but ofc opinions will vary as always.
I don’t mean to offend you by saying this but you clearly didn’t look hard enough if you don’t think anything but presentation changed. Awakening focuses too much on pointless conversation, allows you to grind, and has terrible map diversity. Then the same mistakes were repeated in BR and R. CQ is a great game and that’s on the virtue of embracing what made the older games so good.
So if you can’t see the difference, I’ll lay it out for you in short: Good FE games present strict linear challenges (FE3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10 for example), while the not as good ones give the player more freedom than is necessary (FE2, 8, 13, 14, 15). The games are not the same and the divide happened because there are people who actually value the challenge most older FE games provided.
No offence taken at all & I have to say that my experience with FE is strictly within the officially localized games (which I think most of FE fans outside of Japan do) & tbh I don’t know their order so I don’t know what you mean by FE 3 or 5! But I love FE Blazing Blade & Sacred Stones as much as Awakening & Echoes, yes each has different strengths & weaknesses but outside of the genuinely bad/simple maps of Echoes I think they’re all great! I have yet to play Fates but it looks great.
All in all I don’t think you can draw a defined line between what’s good & what’s not in the series overall, except for map design & battle system. I’ve been playing through Shadow Dragon these past days & I like it but I can’t help missing some features from the newer game & I can say that I wish the permadeath was optional because I restarted the game more than I’d like to.
You sound like an expert in the franchise & have way more experience than me, personally as long as 3 Houses has great map design, objectives & a solid battle system then I’ll like it.
You hit the nail on the head there by saying that they all have different strengths and weaknesses. That alone proves that the games aren’t all the same. FE, for all its old-fashioned gameplay, is a series that recycles and reinvents gameplay mechanics through each era, with some being better than others.
And I do think that there are certain things that needs to exist in each game for it to be considered a good addition to the series. The games which allows you to grind ruin the formula at its very base, for FE is a series where every decision you make matters. From deciding which units to use, to management of money, items, and weapons, even each movement and attack matter because in one playthrough you can only make a select amount of these choices. That’s also the reason Sacred Stones was my least favourite game in the series before Awakening came out, despite the nostalgia of it being my first. When you can grind zombies and gold all the small but important decisions you normally have to make are negated completely. The same thing goes for casual mode; it’s not needed because older games always assumed that you would have some casualties and were balanced around that fact, making sure that you could never unintentionally get stuck. I like my FE games to be fair but strict, and I don’t think that drives away new players as much as people might think.
Regarding Shadow Dragon, it’s also one of the worse games, but for vastly different reasons. It’s not that it’s missing features from the newer games, but it’s missing a fuckton of features from literally every other game that came before it. I don’t know whose idea it was to keep the same 20 year old script, have little to no character interaction, and lock chapters and units behind playing poorly, but it was terrible and made the game suffer badly for it.
Yeah I really don’t think Awakening revived the series because it let go of permadeath or introduced grinding (which I forgot was even there since I played the game years ago), but it was a combination of lots of features they added, both old & new, not forgetting the attractive new art style & the brilliant music along with the beautiful CG cutscenes, ads & a good release date.
I never even considered grinding to be that big of a deal, that is why I still love Sacred Stones & Awakening because I hate losing characters forever & I restart every time I lose a character until I finally give up a weaker character to move on lol I wonder if there’ll be any grinding in 3 Houses though!! Maybe they can make it optional? But I see your argument, it’s the same way I feel about Dark Souls/Sekiro, you just have to get better by practice & management.
Shadow Dragon is rough & weird, but I still enjoy it for what it is I guess…I hope they remake older games I hear praise about all the time like the ones on the SNES! They could remake an older title after 3 Houses, but please with a better engine & they should work on their maps & story/writing too when it needs to be updated.
As much as I’m disappointed by the presentation/visuals of 3 Houses I can’t wait to see how they approached the gameplay & design this time, I’m kinda intrigued by the concept of being an instructor & if it’ll have different branches of the story depending on who you choose from the 3 students.
I never understood why Nintendo fans think a Nintendo game would magically look better within a few months or even a year before release.
If they’re still working on visuals at this point, then the game would surely be delayed.
I don’t have to be a Nintendo fan to like FE lol & it’s really smart of you to generalize a whole fandom with pathetic claims like that.
Devs can ofc make adjustments on the visuals in the last few months or even after the games release with updates & patches. You just have to read more.
Depending on when these screenshots were taken (and whether it is from an Alpha, Beta or the freeze period) there might actually be the ability for the graphics to improve. Considering they are about 3 months out they are probably using screenshots from pre-beta so cold freeze or alpha which means we’ve yet to see Beta (which is when features and assets are usually completed and they switch to bug stomping which they are probably in right now). We’ll see what the game will actually look like properly by E3 hopefully. There is a chance that the visuals won’t improve though due to the limitations of the Switch but we can definitely hope.
This series has always had visual appeal problems. The nes and snes eras were in no way groundbreaking visually, the GBA era was widely criticized for how its map visuals look, GC and Wii were both almost a generation behind graphically, the Archanea remakes speak for themselves. The 3DS era was the first to up the bar a little, but what sold it was the amazing cgi(except Echoes).
It’s fine if the gameplay doesn’t look amazing as long as it’s well animated(still unclear at this point) and you don’t needlessly focus on the rougher aspects in promotional material, but it’s a real shame they went with cheaper cgi this time around on top of it.
Also I gotta be real with you as well, what we’re seeing at this point is what we’re getting.
Yes the CG shocked me when I saw it at E3 last year! it was very stiff & the frame rate was atrocious… After the amazing CG they used for Awakening & Fates, they went with the ugly FE: Echoes CG.
I will ofc enjoy the game & it sounds amazing so far but I expected way better presentation from Intsys considering this is their 1st “console” FE in a decade & the fact that it is releasing after the breakthrough for the series & the phenomenal success they had with their mobile game FE: Heroes.
I really like Anna’s new design. Digging the raspberry-colored hair.
The 10 Greats huh? Guess we have our usual lore characters.
Kind of wish Heroes would go into those sorts of characters more.
Heroes should do a lot more things really.
Hopefully more information comes out about other details, like fighting, battalions, etc. And maybe information on possibly recruiting outside characters?
Red, Blue and Colorless all have units I want. Hopefully my 350 total orbs will be ready.
Best of luck to all pulling.
the video showcasing byleth defending edelgard makes me laugh. edelgard must lack any brains or skills if she really couldn’t deal with a guy taking 5 or so seconds to run at her. she literally couldve just walked out of the way. thats so funny. but i guess byleth really needed those Epic Gamer points.
im really disappointed with a lot of aspects of FE3H so far, but i’m VERY excited to see where this slice-of-life type gameplay may be going. character interactions are always my favorite, and even if theyre ugly as all hell, personality can still save em!! no, really, i love fire emblem and i’m excited for this game, don’t get me wrong. the gameplay (the most important part!!) seems really interesting. at the very least it seems like its going to be fun to play! which, like.. what else can u really ask for, lol.
Lol I agree with your opinion A LOT!
Things I like:
– Gameplay/battle system
– Music
– Setting, being a teacher instead of a student makes it really interesting & less cliche
Thing I dislike:
– The visuals
– Characters designs
– The CG & the “anime” scenes? which I find really weird having both CG AND “anime” animation to tell the story!!
I hope the story is good this time.
Well she only has a knife while her opponent a ax, furthermore she was surprised which slowed down her reaction and not to forget the physical differences between the two, so I am completely okay with that scene.
Proceeding to hate on Alm because he’s receiving two alts in one year.I’m actually skipping this since I already have every unit I really like (except Nailah) and I’m already pulling for normal Alm. Kudos to the pool update that didn’t improved anything.
Compared to someone like Camilla? Alm deserves two alts (you were probably joking about Alm getting two alts, seeing as how you have that part lined out for a lack of a better description, but its true that he deserves some alts). It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if Celica gets a Legendary alt sometime this year too and it’d be based on her overclass with her title to go with it that she gets at the end of SoV.
It was a joke, but I fear some people will actually think that way. It happened with Hector: he was unlucky that all his alts came in the same year (until then he didn’t have any) and people hated on both him and Armads, even when each Armads had completely different effects. I hope I am wrong.
Yeah I figured as much in terms of you joking. And yeah most likely some will get mad about this but unlike Hector at least this Alm is wielding a bow and not Falchion again. Hopefully when his brave alt comes out he’ll be wielding something he normally wouldn’t.
Fast Village Boy
Just wanted to point this out but you got Marth and Hector wrong, you have them titled as Braves (which Marth’s isn’t out yet) but those are their Legendary selves.
Ahh, thanks for the alert. I’ll have that fixed right away!
No problem. 🙂
In the 2/13 direct, at around 3:40, Ferdinand and Sylvain are using the “Training Lance”, so I think that’s what they will end up being called instead of Practice Lance. The kanji looks the same in the Japanese direct too. I’ve also noticed there is a “Beginner Exam Pass” that Caspar/Dorothea uses to promote to the 4 base classes and an Intermediate one that Edelgard uses in the direct(4:07). None of the 8 seen classes that Edelgard can promote to seem like final classes(and the ones that we do see seem promoted from these 4), so would there also be an “Advanced” Pass for a final tier? So 3 or 4 tiers essentially when also considering Noble/Commoner as one.
Hopefully, I really missed the advance classes from the Tellius games.
The biggest deterrent for me with this game was how grindy it was to participate in events. But now they have auto and fast forward features to the gameplay that makes grinding significantly less tedious. I’m probably gonna get back into playing this game again.
Also, I pulled Veronica so yay!
Goddamn, who to vote for…
Tiki, Ylgr, Fae, and Delthea
when vanilla veronica becomes playable , but is not even on her game :V
*wants to try it out *
Yune? Damn…
After bad luck for months getting any character I’ve been wanting and the drought of F2P orbs, I managed to get Alm in three pulls somehow and I’m super stoked about it.
Yes! Golden Week is the best time to collect Orbs~
Allegiance Battle are…ok I guess? but very good to clear thanks to my Friends with +10 Caineghis and other +10 Units!
That rap theme is seriously something XD
Kind of interesting that there’s adventurers and wyrmprints but no dragons. Seems like Tiki would be a natural fit if you’re already dragging Marth in.
Must be an easter egg revealing the still in process FEH developement.
Playing AR for fun? Mother of God, the madmen! Though I don’t really know if this will fix the bore this game has become.
I still enjoy FEH, but hate AR… and the resort is just nonsense. They are so stingy with grails too – I think it will be 2119 by the time I can +10 anyone recent
Golden week has been very generous in rewards – it takes away the bitterness of the annual celebration and shows what they can do to make the game fun to play. I didn’t get an Alm but I feel well treated by IS.
The Sacred Seal Menu update is probably the best from this (and mybe the Weapon refinery, but I dont use/have these units)
Fire Emblem Dates predicted Gacha for the Fire Emblem series nice
Fire Emblem Dates predicted the Date that Fate would predict the Date of Heroes
And they continue to give unique weapons to old units that literally nobody who has played the game for more than an hour use (Stahl and Sully)
I do think that’s the idea though; people maybe like some of these characters but don’t use them because they’re underpowered. The best way to fix that is to give them a new superweapon that buffs them up a lot (but of course if you add new superweapons that can be inherited by already powercreeped units, they become broken, so they have to be prf weapons). But Stahl and Sully are super boring characters to do this for.
Just today I was teamed up with someone who had +10 Stahl as their main unit so please…
Hey! Free Nephenee on first summon, I’ll take that~
Hang on; where’s Wrath? You said “heroes with Wrath”, and I don’t know about you, but I don’t see a certain cycloptic swordsman in a blue uniform.
Just kidding.
I’m guessing Sunday will be Jeralt to correlate with the first famitsu bios and finally new characters and whatever else next week coming.
Yeah, it’s either Jeralt or the head of the church(the green haired woman).
We both called it!!!
Daaaamn.
Next prediction: The next character is going to be Rhea’s assistant with the dark green hair.
Looks like they’re finally gonna do the other characters in the houses!
“He is a sincere young man who seems like the embodiment of chivalry, but
a faint tinge of darkness lies beneath his cheerful demeanor.”
Honestly, Dimitri is my least favorite of the three, but his description makes him sound rather interesting.
I’m going to decide during the course of the gameplay. I think choosing the house that resonates the best with your own values is a more interesting route to take than arbitrarily making a choice based on design beforehand. Hopefully there’ll be nuances that will actually differentiate them in both story and gameplay though, otherwise the whole thing will be pointless.
Not sure if it’s possible to make a sound decision during the course of gameplay since it seems like choosing your house is one of the first things you do after arriving at the Monastery. So one got to rely on previews/reviews to catch all the differences (gameplay and story), unless Nintendo/Intsys themselves will disclose all the information before the release.
But I’m with you, I hope the houses really differ a lot for the sake of replay value.
To be honest, I think the the guys’ introductions seem more interesting (less cold? plain? idk) than Edelgard’s, but o why must the creators make her look so darn attractive :'( men are simple creatures and I’m prob gonna pick her house just because of that *sigh*. But, still planning to play all of them, and who knows, might make a 180 turn if I like one of the characters from the other houses. Can’t wait for upcoming character profiles/introductions 😀
Them keychains tho
damn i would really buy those if i can
Now mine is at +10.
Alfonse and Folkvangr. Please, pleaaaaseee
I’m assuming these are Smash bros inspired. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
What a weird banner: another Corrin and another Tiki, but we got the Berkut alt everyone was expecting since he came and FREAKING MAREETA.
I’ve also noticed that they give Echoes characters by little drops. Two Celica alts, Kliff, Duma, Picnic akts, L!Alm and now alts of Berkut and Delthea, everything without a single Echoes themed banner.
Echoes has a pretty limited number of characters, and we’ve gotten quite a lot of them, and most of the main ones. They’ve probably saving some so if they decided to do a full banner later they could.
This is a good banner, though I’m honestly confused about F!Corrin. Why’s she on here? She never really got possessed except in Warriors by Iago unless this is a nod to when she first transformed into a dragon after Mikoto was killed in front of her. I mean the other four I can understand cause they actually were possessed in some way, be it mind control (Y!Tiki and Delthea), cursed weapon (Mareeta) or giving up their soul and pretty much going batshit insane (Berkut). But I can’t think of anything for Corrin.
Yeah, not sure why she’s here either. Also, her voice sounds very nonthreatening. Unfortunately, she shares a colour with Tiki, so “avoiding” her will be hard.
Chapter 5 she rampages and can’t control her dragon form. When she transformed she was enveloped in a bunch of dark aura. Also at the final battle of revelation Anankos says he’s going to use Corrin’s body as a vessel. In Heirs of Fate it’s an alternate universe where Anankos won. Even though we don’t see Corrin(since customizations) from the Heirs of Fate it’s implied that Anankos left Corrin alive to uses them as a vessel.
Yeah chapter 5 is what I meant by Corrin transforming into her dragon form for the first time after Mikoto is killed in front of her. You might be right about it being when she first transforms, cause her line sounds non-threatening and more of her being scared than anything else.
Yea that’s what I was thinking. She looks more scared and in pain instead of really brainwashed or malevolent
In the Japanese trailer she says “The beast’s impulse…” in a way that signifies that she is yet conscious of what’s going on with her. So that theory makes sense.
Yep, and it has now been confirmed on the Meet the Heroes website that it’s chapter 5 Corrin although it’s implied that she didn’t get a dragon stone since her model and artwork doesn’t depict her with one.
Keep in mind, the theme isn’t “possessed,” it’s “fallen.” Just because she wasn’t possessed doesn’t mean she’s not a darker version of herself.
True but most “fallen” heroes have been possessed by something, be it Grima taking over Robin, Celica being turned into a witch as a sacrifice to Duma or Hardin being controlled by the Dark Sphere. I think it can be agreed on that Corrin is “possessed” by her dragon blood since thats whats been confirmed as this being chapter 5 Corrin.
The fact that it’s “Fallen” makes it even more confusing, because Fallen implies that they have “Fallen to the Darkness” which is very, very different than what happened with Corrin.
Even a Greil with Lehran’s Medallion would have been a weird pick for this banner.
Mareeta being introduced as an alt is the real crime.
Is this actually an alt though? Same with Hardin
Well, it depends on how you see it. Since we don’t yet have FE11 Hardin I’m inclined to call his FE12 appearance in this game an alt. Despite being a canon aspect of his character, I still think the original version is the “real” version so to speak.
Perhaps some alts aren’t “alts,” so much as extensions of the character. Mareeta and Hardin are both examples of this. This also applies to the Grimas, who most people agree aren’t Robin alts. The same thing could probably be argued for many Legendary Heroes, such as Roy, Ephraim, Eirika, and Hector, all of whom reflect the character at a later point in time than the original version, more specifically post-promotion. The alts with a basis in canon (which doesn’t include reclassing) are in a different category than the seasonal alts, which are either reclass inspired or out of nowhere.
When I think about alts, I don’t really think about the logistics or reasonings behind them. If they’re another version of a character we already have, they’re an alt. Likewise, I still consider Mareeta and Hardin to be in the alt category just as much as Doma possessed Celica is, despite their original appearances not being in the game yet.
I agree on Grima though, because putting him inside of Reflet is a convenient way of getting him in the game, in a similar way that Doma is.
To be fair, regular Hardin is boring and forgettable. The only reason he’s remembered is his turn.
That means…next year is time for the RISEN KING!
It’s been a while since our last good GHB (with prf weapon and all) unit so Delthea will probably be that. If I were to make a guess, it might be based on warping, which depending on how it’s handled, might be good like Aversa’s Night.
Finally a good use for my grails later on~
Is Tiki the mascot of FE? I always wonder.
I hope everyone who cares about AR got their easy matches in yesterday.
Been a long time since we actually received compensation orbs. 100 grails is an entire AR week too, so they are doing really well on this. Good job, IS.
Thanks for the translations! I’m glad to see we’re moving onto the students now!
Where do the full names of Hubert and Doudou show up? I can extrapolate Hubert’s (and at the very least, we do know his surname’s Bestla), but I don’t remember seeing Molinaro anywhere…
The full names are from their profiles on the official site : )
HMMMM, if you guys pay attention to Lorentz’s video, he’s talking to male Byleth. I wonder if the conversation would be different if it was female Byleth, that would be a nice additional detail since Lorentz apparently likes to hit on women. But, it might not happen; it’d be nice if they did include minor details like that though.
Considering he’s the “Casanova” for this Fire Emblem it wouldn’t surprise me if he got all flirty with F!Byleth, like Sain does with the female tactician in 7.
It’s kinda funny how this games Casanova looks like…that.
Honestly, people mock him and Hubert for their looks, but I really like that not all male characters look like bishounen supermodels. More disctinctive and “odd” designs are always appreciated, kinda like Wrys, Arden and Meg.
I hope that screen shot is really old and not the finished graphics, because I’ve played PS2 games with better ones. Jesus.
art looks sweet. hope they refine it
Easiest GHB ever
i’m still kind of disappointed with the student designs we’ve seen so far. i at least like the story-relevant designs, like Rhea! none of the students have caught my attention though.
also, it really bothers me just how rendered and shaded Manuela’s breasts are. fan service is no stranger to FE and I have 0 problem with it, but with the way the art is, the first thing my eyes go to is her chest, because thats the most detailed and eye-catching part, and THEN her face. even with charlotte or camilla’s designs/art, i’d be like “haha nice boobies” and then be able to move on; there is nothing continuously drawing my eyes there. this artist has basically done the same technique /i/ use when im making sensual pin-up drawings. its just something thats really bothering me, especially since it doesn’t seem to be a Manuela-exclusive problem (i’d understand if it were for something like characterization, i.e. Manuela is has a more sensual personality than other women at the academy), as we’ve seen with Dorthea(?)’s sprite.
uhhh.. critique sandwich, so i’ll also say that i like the character art that the character designer (presumably) did for the main cast. i love the motion they have, they’re really dynamic. i can tell that this artist is very talented and knows what she’s(?) doing.
Time to start my 1st Grail projekt!
Byleth’s crest is also on his coat
I am half-expecting those other two teachers to be the characters who join at almost the end of the game, you know, your Gotoh or Izana or Basilio/Flavia type of character. But there are clearly a number of breaks from the formula at play in 3 Houses generally. Either way, excited to see what the game brings.
Hopefully Manuela is good if that’s the case since have my eyes on her! But I personally think they don’t have them here is because 1. They don’t need any or 2. They’re keeping theirs a secret for now.
Finally, more gameplay details.
Hopefully Three Houses will deliver in the strategic gameplay department (unlike Echoes…).
I don’t know why but Byleth’s crest really heavily remind me of something familiar, but I can’t place it.
Could be Grima’s Brand but… it’s a little too farfetched to be a familiar feeling.
Visually i’m not sure, but it seems to be inspired on the Dragon Brands that only Royals have in Fates.
They’re really building up my expectations for the gameplay, they better live up to it. Story be damned, amazing gameplay is key for me.
Famitsu just posted the article online: https://www.famitsu.com/news/201905/15176038.html
Very quick personal skill translations:
Hubert: Chief of Staff – Ploy/Strategy power +5. (I think this is a mechanic mentioned in an earlier article)
Dorothea: Songstress – Restores 10% HP to adjacent allies at the start of turn.
Dedue: Master’s Shield – Defense + 4 for one turn if you Wait without taking an action.
Felix (haven’t see this guy before): Lone Wolf – +5 damage dealt when the Knights aren’t deployed or if their strength is at 0. (Implies you can choose not to deploy character’s squads, and that their numbers are reduced if taking damage in battle)
Lorentz: Prestigious Noble – If the Knights are deployed, damage dealt +2.
Hilda: Begging (Beseeching?) – Adjacent male allies do +3 damage to enemies.
The older teachers don’t have personal skills listed. Crests don’t seem to have gameplay descriptions yet, just “the crest of [x place in Fodlan]”.
Cool stuff. The more I hear about this game, the more refreshing an entry in the series it seems to be. Battalions in particular are something roughly in-line with what I’ve wanted to see ever since Part 2 of Radiant Dawn.
Goneril is a character from King Lear, btw, alongwith “Regan” (not sure if connected to “Riegan” in this instance), and uh, Cordelia. Some nice name influences in 3 Houses. I feel a particularly strong affinity for the Welsh ones in Faerghus.
First of all, thank you for the translation.
I think it’s safe to say that unit customization-wise, Three Houses will be the deepest and most fleshed out entry yet, which is great!
I hope every other relevant gameplay aspect follows suit and are as ambitious. Good map design and varied objectives would be nice.
Not sure what to think about calendar system yet. Does it mean there are only 12 chapters? Or are there more than one year? Or will something significant happen after year one making the whole calendar system obsolete?
I agree, there could be more than one year or the chapters/acts could be longer than usual, like the acts in Echoes. Which the calendar system in this game is loosely based on.
Btw on why Saturday is not marked as free like Sunday and the last day of the month, I guess that the school’s schedule is based off Japan’s schooling. While schools only require students to go 5 days, there’s usually optional teaching on Saturday, and many students go due to parents or because they feel they need to. Since this is a military academy, I wouldn’t be surprised if Saturdays are just plain mandatory to attend.
Thanks! I pondered about cultural differences for a moment, but I forgot by the time I was fine-tuning the article. That also explains why Sundays is physically bigger on the calendar (and the physical one in the special edition).
I gotta say, the class designs look amazing so far. Practical and not too over the top, just how I like it.
It does my heart good to see Dark Mages actually looking cool again after their dreadful designs in Awakening and Fates.
The female brigand design is great, A huuge improvement over Charlotte.
Also nice to see that female mages don’t look like strippers anymore.
Fucking puritans
Hard not to improve on Charlotte. Or maybe that’s just me talking because she was my least favorite character design wiese.
Yeah they really overly sexulised characters in those 2 entries. Shadows of Valentia was far better in that regards and I can see this one also doing really well.
Its also really surprising considering one of the teachers and the female avatar are all sexed up so I guess they figured fanservice can mostly stay out of the battlefield
“*Sweats* I’m just a mercenary that they forced to join the academy… I can’t even say a sentence to save my life.” XD when they said that, all I was thinking that’s everyone that was forced to take the oral communications GE lmao.
Wow, the customization options are crazy. I like that the weaknesses of the characters can be overcome so that opens even further options. It’s all looking quite promising. Surprised girls can’t be fist fighters but can be BRIGANDS at the officer academy. very interesting.
So with what you’ve mentioned about the crests being similar to the bloodlines in FE 4, I think its somewhat safe to say there might be a time skip with a focus on second gen characters with possibly some gen one characters here and there, unless most of the gen one characters get killed off somehow. Truthfully I wouldn’t mind this so long as its believable and not something stupid just to force child characters in like Fates did.
Also the calendar seems somewhat similar, though not completely, to Valkyria Chronicles 2’s months per chapter (since its got a school system of sorts just like Three Houses). But instead of a student’s POV, its in the teacher’s POV.
I’m not convinced there will be two generations, although the main ingredients are there. At the least, I think the crests are a neat throwback to the Jugdral games : )
True but then again we don’t know one way or the other right now, plus theres what Edelgard said in the first trailer that possibly hints at a potential time skip. Personally I’m ok with no kids unless its done right and in a believable way. Though yes the nod to the bloodlines in 4 with the crests is nice, even though I’ve yet to continue playing it.
Because making kids came from blackholes and/or raising them in pocket universes without parents are totally right and believable.
If they want to add a heritage system then do it like FE4, otherwise don’t do it anymore.
Well I mean the kids in Awakening I can understand cause in their timeline all the parents were dead (although I suppose one could consider Robin to still be alive despite he/she being controlled by Grima and their consciousness being forced into the back of their mind), but Fate’s reason for kids was just plain dumb not to mention a irresponsible thing to do on the parents’ part.
Yeah FE 4’s inheritance system definitely is the best way to go, minimal skill inheritance (I think its like what, one to two skills at most the kid gets from both parents?) but also gain certain weapons depending on what the kid’s class is gonna be.
Is this Nihon Falcom does FE XD
Sounds amazing.
“For one turn, increases the movement of allies by 5. Targets an adjacent ally and seems to apply the effect to all allies with a 2 tile radius of the target (or maybe just a triangle with the user at the centre and the target at the edge). Can be used at least twice.”
Oh geez that sounds kind of broken. At least its limited per map unlike Devil Survivor’s Devil Speed, but anything that raises movement in a tactical RPG tends to be pretty busted.
i’m honestly really confused by all these gameplay aspects but im sure itll make more sense as im playing the game. intrigued, but confused. its honestly starting to sound more like a persona game, which isn’t what i like out of my RPGs, but since its fire emblem ill give it a go.
“Nothing really matters at the end of the day.” Now that’s sound advice! Life is pointless, nothing has a purpose, we’re all going to die 😀
I probably don’t have the heart to do it, but I’m sure there are some people out there who decide to go the most troll teacher route possible.
We persona now.
Initially, I thought of the game as a Harry Potter-style game. Over time I started to think of it as a cross between Trails of Cold Steel and Persona, and now the section on School Life has confirmed it.
Also, I am VERY interested in Byleth’s origins. When I saw F Byleth talking to Rhea, I noticed a resemblance between the two, and this may be a clue to why Byleth can see Sothis who already looks similar to Rhea. Now reading about Byleth’s crest and this Liberation King (who is very much wielding the bone sword Byleth later uses) I just…………… feel nervous that they’re repeating the ‘mysterious’ protagonist origins from Awakening and Fates. My last hope is the twist is written better like with Gaiden/Echoes.
FOR THE LOVE OF NAGA DON’T!
so they don’t revert back to level 1 from changing from a base class to a promotion class, can’t say I like it
I think they’re aiming for a more flexible, but still restricted class system. I have a feeling that the level progression might be like Heroes, with a Level cap of 40 for all characters. So far, we know you can upgrade at Levels 5 and 10. I imagine the next upgrade will be at 20, for advanced classes. Perhaps there are even higher classes (equivalent to Radiant Dawn’s 3rd Tiers of Echoes’s Overclasses) at 30 or 40.
The reason your level isn’t reset is so you can’t continuously grind for stats. In fact, I just remembered it’s similar to how Genealogy of the Holy War handled promotion…
IIRC, Tearring Saga did it like that, too.
I’m more concerned on how it will affect min-maxing and how you might get screwed stat wise if you fail to promote early. FE4 promotion and level system was cap at 30 iirc, and you can only promote at level 20.
Ive only played Awakening and little bit of scared stones, but anything with more clarity and streamlining is better than Awakening where they lock all this character customization and fun stuff behind re classing and an insane amount of grinding for 20+ character but then limit your leveling to balance the stats, I just want new toys and abilities to play with I don’t give a shit about the stats past a certain point when grinding. And don’t get me started and how you can permanently fuck your characters up if you haven’t thoroughly studied the INVISIBLE game mechanics that anyone playing the game in a fun, natural way couldn’t possibly know. Its such an anti fun mechanic built around stat balancing based on the stupid death mechanic, I don’t play the game without making sure I have a perfect fight every time and lose no characters, that’s already punishment enough.
I hope this level system signifies at least a much better in game explanation of optimal leveling and character building without turning it into a full time job. I hope they don’t balance the game expecting the player to let some of their characters die so they feel its ok to make using and training all your characters unfun and unviable in a reasonable amount of time.
they’re still locking some stuff behind reclassing, the way it looks to me, and I think that not reverting the character level to 1 when promoting is much more detrimental to as you called people who just wanted fun, cause imagine them failing to promote on time and their stats get gimped because they leveled up with the stat growth of a trainee class, now you get a character that is now un-fun to play with and or totally lagging behind your other characters. hoping that they release some info on the actual going on behind promoting units is probably not gonna happen, that’s probably best left to dataminers, i think gaiden or SoV did it best, you can choose to promote unit as soon as they are eligible or hold off because when promoting units they’re stats get boosted to the base stat of the unit they are promoting into while also reverting their level to 1, while holding off to promote them and maxing their level will give you higher stat (supposedly) but you won’t receive the stat boosts upon promotion
Thanks for the translation. Just wanted to ask about a line in the first screenshot of the Blossoming Talent part. Under the experience table it says ウォーロックになれば which translates to „If I were to become a Warlock“ if I’m not wrong Warlock is a new class right?
nice new info on this. can be overwhelming though
Pretty suspicious that The Liberation King is naked Nemesis
Byleth is a demon and he is likely related to Nemesis. Definitely sounds like a relation with. A huge “church is evil” plot
Gotta subvert those expectations! its at the point where It would be more unexpected for a japanese game to use a church as a plot device and have it not be “secretly” evil.
Looks like Koei-Tecmo influence is more apparent than ever, way beyond just creating the 3D unit and environment unlike what people have suggested. From unit skill/tactic, to proficiency being tied to individual characters instead of class. Not that it’s bad thing, really. Koei created a lot of strategy game during PS2 era and lot of them are ranging from decent to good. Nice to see that IS could learn a lot of thing from them (I hope they do too on story department in regards to making more compelling dynastic struggle tale).
A huge thank you for the great article!
Hmm, interesting.
If it’s anything like Genealogy, Felix is probably a sloppy second who can’t use Fraldarius’s legendary weapon.
With the last few major batches being Laguz/Beasts there’s a chance for one of them. Also since Harr was released at the same time, maybe Jill? It’s probably just me wanting her in the game but I still find it odd that Harr was added as a GHB with the Laguz and not her. I hope there are some actual guys though out of 2 years all we have is Marth from the GHB so far.
honestly the one on the right is giving me some serious Pent vibes, but its probably camilla lol and also that weapon is pretty out there.. the one on the left is obviously another child bride..
I think having both Pent and Louise make their debut together in a bride groom banner would be cool…but then I remember that the devs aint that awesome.
Got some good news for you.
well, turns out..!!
Man this is horrible, it’s even worse than I could’ve ever imagined, they pretty much shamelessly ripped off the story and setting of ‘Record of the Grancrest War”
That’s so nice!! Thanks once again bookofholsety
Of course the one unit I want shares a color with another XD
Same, I’m glad the Louise is F2P so I’d only have to worry about getting her hubby…but Tanith will likely ruin that plan.
So far that makes another good seasonal banner in 2019. Only one I was meh on was the Hot Spring one. Book 3 banners are looking pretty great so far.
Keep it up, IS.
Really didn’t expect Sigrun and Tanith to make their debut as brides, but their voices are great, and Harsh Command+ fits Tanith perfectly.
Took me a few moments to recognize Pent, but him and Louise debuting in a wedding banner is fitting, being one of the few set-in-stone married couples in the series.
I’m gonna be honest, I can’t see Tanith wanting to be caught dead in a dress much less a wedding dress. Sigrun I can see happening but but Tanith is too duty bound to even possibly think about settling down and starting a family. I imagine this is likely Sanaki being mischievous and practically ordering them to wear the dresses (at least on Tanith’s part as I can see Sigrun wanting to eventually marry and have children of her own one day, wouldn’t surprise me if she thinks of Sanaki as her own daughter as well as her leader).
And I’m guessing this Pent and Louise are before they got married and are the couple we know them as in 7 cause Pent sounds pretty young as I imagine him being rather deep voiced in 7, though not in a gruff deep way. I imagine a lot of Pent and Louise fans are happy they’re finally in, even if its not them FROM 7 itself.
You know what’s funny to me? Tanith doesn’t sound bothered or ashamed at all by her outfit. Contrast it to how embarassed Catria was while wearing her bunny outfit. The difference between a maiden at heart like Catria and a serious mature woman like Tanith. It doesn’t matter what she wears, Tanith will maintain her composure and dignity. What a badass of an awesome character. Now I kind of wish to see her in a completely silly costume like a reindeer for christmas to see if she will remain stoic even then.
I think the Pent and Louise we are getting are already married since in a voice line he says he cannot make her wife wait for him.
Thats true, she didn’t sound annoyed at all, still can’t see her in anything BUT her usual attire although I’ll admit that I will DIE of laughter seeing her in a Reindeer suit cause theres no way anyone is THAT stoic and not be a little embarrassed with what they’re wearing. I can see Sanaki being mischievous again and order Tanith to wear one (yeah some might see that as an abuse of power but Sanaki is like 13 which is confirmed in RD by Sothe so as far as I’m concerned she’s just being a mischievous child/teenager).
Yeah but he says bride instead of wife, which I’m guessing makes him and Louise newlyweds as I don’t know anyone whose been married for years calling their wife his bride. Plus him and Louise are like what, late 20s to early 30s in 7? I mean he looks pretty young on the banner, like early 20s to mid 20s maybe a little younger.
YEAH, my thoughts exactly on Pent. His voice threw me at first.
finally a groom on this kind of banner~
I like this follow up with Sigrun & Tanith from last years Sanaki~
im just wondering if the 1 range on pents tome is a typo or if he’s the first melee mage?
Well, yay for finally getting Pent and Louise in this game. Now we just need Erk and maybe Dieck and we’ll have the whole Reglay crew!
And if Tanith and Sigrun are brides, well, that explains Sanaki’s flower girl deal in the last bridal banner. She’s practically their daughter and all.
Got 2 Pent’s little sad I wanted Tanith abit more and would have preferred to get one of each
I play Fire Emblem Heroes because I am a Fire Emblem fan but I see nothing wrong about legislating against extremely predatory video game formats, amongst which gacha games are probably the worst.
I don’t know man. I think the only thing Nintendo should do is increase the rating of the game to +18. Every adult must have the maturity to know where and when to spend their own money. Let the state decide if it is right or wrong where to spend your own money is not something I think it is right.
There is a point to be taken from this. Even if my ability to dump money into the game is removed, it means I had a disposable income to begin with. Which means that money is probably going to be put into another gacha or hobby instead. This type of ban really achieves nothing constructive.
There are people more vulnerable that will spend more than what is really disposable. Gambling can be an addiction and it has ruined and broken people.
I’m not really defending gacha. It’s an incredibly scummy business model. What I’m saying is that if people find themselves inclined to spend more than they can afford, the issue most likely lies far beyond the game itself.
And that is their own fault. It isn’t a governments job to baby sit grown ass adults, keeping them by force from spending their own money as they damn well please.
“Every adult must have the maturity to know where and when to spend their own money.”
A lot don’t. XD In fact, gacha games make profit primarily from those who don’t. That’s the whole point.
Exactly my boi, but that is not only the problem with only gatchas. Real life is full of temptations that will try to take your money anyway. It is up to you to know when and where to spend. That is the beauty of capitalism: you take the decisions for your own life, the good ones and bad ones. Let the state dictate what you should or should not buy is just a step closer to full control of society. The state should be as minimal as possible, focusing only on security of the country, education, health care and international affairs, not with some mobile game that does not force anyway to go bankrupt without the own’s person consent.
Yoo flame emperor looks rly cool!!
Re: “Cordelia”. It’s interesting. Although it could be a sort of backdated reference to the translation (Intelligent Systems have done things like that before), I think there’s another reason it’s there. I hope it does **not** change in the translation, but I’m actually fairly confident it won’t. Why?
Goneril and Regan. Cordelia forms a trio with them, being the three daughters of King Lear. It therefore makes sense that they are confined to one of the three nations. Furthermore, the Duke of Gloucester and Edmund are prominent characters in King Lear too, and as far as I’m aware, they are also shown as places in Leicester.
Feel free to ask me any more Qs about the name influences, with particular regard to Faerghus and Leicester, since they both make a number of mythological allusions to things I’m highly familiar with.
Could Ferdinand’s be Indra?
@disqus_YDO76S6emT:disqus Actually, it would be Really nice to have either briefs paragraphs or longer articles (maybe by nations, or Famitsu release) on the names and their inspirations! But I don’t know how much work that represents, or even if that is relevant… Anyway, feel free to offer us some of your wisdom, I would be a happy reader 😀
Well thanks for your interest. I’m probably rambling a lot, but I’ll start with the ones I do know (mainly the Welsh ones since I speak that language to a conversational degree); most of these I noticed when I was looking at the map https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/fodlan-world-map-v1.jpg
– Garreg Mach looks to me like it was supposed to be Welsh, but it’s been mutated incorrectly. “Carreg Fach” is how I would render it in that context. Anyway, I take it to mean “Small Stone”, or perhaps something more akin to “Little Rock”. I think that’s a town in Arkansas, USA, lol.
– Blaiddyd (BLY-thid; /th/ is voiced like in “there”) is a pseudo-historical king of Britain. The “blaidd” (blythe) part probably means wolf, as far as I can tell.
– Gwenhwyfar (Gwen-HWIV-var) is simply the Welsh form of Guinevere, wife of King Arthur. Survives to this day as the modern name Jennifer!
– There’s something the SF map of Fódlan has given as “Magdred”; I’m not certain but I’ve got a funny feeling it’s a bastardization of older forms of “Mordred”. There are tons of variations on Mordred’s name so I might be completely wrong – however, it would fit with the other Arthurian references that are mostly confined to Faerghus.
– Myrddin (MER-thin; same again for that /th/ sound) is the Welsh form of “Merlin”, a guy I’m sure a lot of people have heard of. The weird thing is that this one appears to be in Leicester rather than Faerghus, but it probably doesn’t mean anything significant.
– Arianrhod (Ar-ee-AN-rhod; not sure how to explain the difference between /r/ and /rh/, but they are voiced/voiceless equivalents and regarded as separate letters in the Welsh language) is a figure from the Mabinogion, sort of your classic “evil bitch” character like Cersei Lannister or someone.
– Way down in the south of the Adrestian Empire is Morgaine; this is a variant on Morgan (le Fay). It’s not in a Welsh form though, and it’s outside Faerghus. Again, I don’t know if its placement is significant particularly.
Onto the Irish ones. I’m less clear on pronunciation and the spelling variants here, so it would be handy to have input from an actual Irish person, but I did notice:
– Faerghus itself is the Irish name “Fergus”, as far as I can tell. Possibly as in “Fergus mac Roich”.
– Brionac is a name sometimes attributed to Lugh’s spear, or one of them. Ahh, the Irish and their legendary spears. Anyway, you can also find this name used in Xenoblade 2. I believe Lugh itself has already been used for the name of a character in Roy’s game, but I haven’t played that one.
– Fhirdiad might be a variant on Ferdiad, who is Cú Chulainn’s rival/best friend/etc – how shounen of them 😉 If you know anything about the Fate franchise, you may have heard of that Cú guy.
The Adrestian locales seem to be mostly Scandinavian or Norse, on which my knowledge is a lot smaller, but I do know that Hraesvelgr is notable because it is a giant eagle. There is also a summoned monster in Bravely Default called Hraesvelgr, and Velgrmon from Digimon is also based on this concept, and is also black.
Fantastic!! I always were interested in etymology, it reveals so much on the influences! Ironically, if it is cleverly used, it is a double edge-sword, because you can understand things earlier in a story…
As a french speaker, I can’t sadly be of use here…
To give a possible answer to Fodlán, Fodlá is a goddess from Irish mythology. She and her 2 sisters had an argument over who the island will be named after, and consulted a bard, who decided to name it after all 3. Well, technically, Ériu won, hence Ireland, but poets insist that Fódhla and Banba are also suitable names. At least, this is what Wikipedia told me, since I’m no Irish myth expert.
Interestingly, Fodlá, Banba and Ériu have been referenced in Fire Emblem before, as the names of three minor antagonists from FE4’s second gen, the mage sisters. Most fan-translations butchered them to “Vampa, Fetra and Elliu” though.
Those villain designs are hot, specially the second one.
Anyone think that the Red Emperor will be this story’s equivalent of Isaac McDougal from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or Egil from Xenoblade Chronicles 1; a seemingly obvious bad guy who turns out to be a well-intentioned extremist trying to stop the real bad guys?
is this one a new article from famitsu regarding fire emblem three houses?
https://s.famitsu.com/news/201905/29176738.html
WHAT I LEARNED TODAY: So far the villains apparently beat out the heroes with actual good character designs? Interesting yet not surprising.
Hopefully I’ll get her. 🙂
Probably sub out that A skill though as AR-exclusive skills mean nothing to me. Wonder what would work in its place.
I’d say DC if you have any spare Hectors laying around since her weapon doesn’t have a innate DC in it.
Isn’t that New Year’s Fjorm?
Aren’t you…correct. Thank you!
You can now have a team of the FE equivalents of God (Naga), Jesus (Tiki), Satan (Duma) and the anti-Christ (Grima).
I really hope these mechanics are not broken, cause they look great. From what I’ve seen, I’ll buy the game eventually if not on release day. But I still have to complete XC2.
Define broken. Because as long as you can reclass ad infinitum and there’s a forge, not even Lunatic can balance it out much.
When you reclass, your level isn’t reset. There is a forge as well, but it could be balanced like the one in Echoes.
if you mean balanced in echoes as in the only real limit of of forging is how many silver and gold marks you have then that’s a terrible balance that does not in any way stop the forging system from being broken in echoes, unless you purposely limit yourself to a no grind run
It’s fine for it to just be balanced for no-grind, because when you grind nothing balance-wise matters anyway.
fates version of forging seems to be the most balanced because you can forge but to make a forged weapon be OP(+7) would require a huge amount of resource that are basically time-gated unless you dedicate an entire session visiting other castles for said resource, or the shadow dragon/new mystery of the emblem heroes of light and shadow
where you are only allowed to forge 1 item per chapter but then again that’s also broken even if it was limited to 1 per chapter because the limit on the stats you can increase a weapon is too big (forging effective weapons or wingspear makes it broken)
You also have a pair up like mechanic that has literally no drawbacks. Gambits seem pretty strong so this is most likely the most broken fire emblem game.
It would be a nice idea to adapt the map difficulty according to our own team, but given that the only way IS increases the difficulty is through levels, skills and reinforcements… They should limit the grinding and resources, I don’t like having to avoid using game mechanics because they cheese the game, like my Awakening no-grinding/pair-up runs.
There seems to be a time management aspect to the game, not dissimilar to a Persona game, so I doubt you actually can reclass infinitely.
Why is the Pegasus Knight female only again??? I personally hate gender – specific classes.
It’s a shame, but it’s been a series tradition outside of Fates. I’m more annoyed by Dark Mage and Brawler being male-only since Dark Mages have been gender-neutral for a while now.
Yeah, I’m mad about the Dark Mage and Cleric too. I was hoping those would stay the same, but guess not.
Same, tbh.
Ah, so there is a special Lord class. I wonder if there will be a promoted form of Lord beyond it. What would you guys like to see? A shared Great Lord, or each one of the three getting a unique variant, Eliwood/Lyn/Hector-style?
Also, “Also, each class seems to learn special skills and abilities once they’ve reached their pinnacle.” This refers to that “Class Mastery” thing, right?
It depends how many tiers there are. There is surely an advanced tier containing stuff like Paladins. That could be were a Great Lord is located. But there may be a supreme tier like the 3rd tiers in Radiant Dawn and Overclasses in Echoes. I could see unique Lord classes being there.
Yeah, I think you’re right.
Personally, I’d like to see each get a unique variant, but I’ll settle for a generic Great Lord.
So they bright Pair Up back and it has still has zero drawbacks which probably means it’s still as broken as it was in Awakening and Fates.
Oh well, everything else looks good at least. Can’t win them all.
Don’t forget you’ve got Battalions to go along with Pair Ups.
I agree with you, these are Ls we gotta take for the bigger win
At least the number of pairs you can have depends on your Instructor Level, and as long as they adjust the numbers well for things like proc rates and effectiveness, it isn’t an inherently bad thing for the game. We’ll just have to see. But limited pairing is a step in the right direction.
It’s a bit interesting that past game class skills (Live to Serve) are being retooled as personal skills. Good Fortune and Raphael’s Scavenger is also another example, albeit Scavenger heals less HP.
There’s none that are too bad. Since there’s no “Healer” class per se, there’s no class for Live to Serve to naturally fit into. Good Fortune and Scavenger were filler anyways. I’ll be surprised if something Luna or Wary Fighter becomes a personal skill.
I think its interesting that the icon under the Venture bar is a little sword as opposed to the hourglass that’s under the Instructor Gauge… Perhaps they’re separate resources? It feels too intentional for it to be added solely for flavour…
There are three gauges that I know of. All three can be seen in the main calendar screen.
The Instructor or Teaching Gauge has the notepad icon. It’s used for weekday lessons and weekend classes.
The Stroll Gauge has the hourglass icon and is used for all the sub-activities when exploring the monastery. This includes things like dining and taking quests.
The Venture Gauge has the sword that you mentioned. It’s only used for taking on optional skirmishes and sidequests/paralogues.
All three can be increased by raising your Instructor Level. This grows naturally as you teach and socialise and generally do stuff.
Good call on the notepad – I didn’t notice that one before! It is incredibly curious that it was still limited to one venture, then… Hopefully it wont be too limited!
“According to Famitsu, if playing on Normal difficulty, there’s always an optional skirmish that doesn’t consume the Venture Gauge. But it won’t be available on Hard, so no grinding forever for ya!”
Oh, this is a great call by IntSys. I’m fine with grinding being an option as long as it’s heavily restricted and not abuseable.
Generally, I really like the more “restriced” nature of the whole activity system. It really adds a new layer of ressource management and promotes further planning. Three Houses even brought weapon durability back, so it’s nice to see that ressource management is going to be a huge key aspect.
“Apparently an emergent nobleman has offered a marriage proposal to
Ingrid, but once Dorothea discovers his name, she openly opposes the
proposal. Dorothea asks Ingrid if she wants to rebuild her family using
bloodstained money. Oof, this songstress knows some secrets alright. It
also sounds like Ingrid’s family is in dire straights.”
I feared that side-quest would be empty “Go to this place and kill all the brigangs/monsters”, but it’s great to see that there are actually stories attached to them, which even reveal more about certain units.
All in all, I’m quite intrigued by most of the additions. Hopefully Three Houses will stick its landing regarding other important gameplay aspects. I’m still a bit concerned about the map designs.
This is looking less like Fire Emblem and more like Gauge Simulator 2019. Manage all the gauges so that you can get an epic victory. I kid, it all looks interesting, especially the side quests. Kind of reminds me of Xenoblade’s sidequests where you got to learn more about the characters, so that has me pretty excited. Also fishing. I don’t know why, but fishing always hooks me in, so I’ll probably spend less time stopping a rebellion against the church and more making sure all the fishes end up on dishes.
And I swear, if Lysithea uses her Crest to summon Thanatos.
“Fishing always hooks me in”… Lol
So much info I don’t know where to start.
Is it possible that Lamine refers to ‘Remire’ on the transcribed map? The second ‘r’ could actually be an ‘n’, and it’d keep up with the pattern that way!
Good thinking, but there’s a reference to the actual Remire (spelled ルミール) in the field study task for the 11th month.
I’m not one to make comments like these, but, based on that picture of Naga, Tiki’s father must’ve been one lucky man (well, dragon). Speaking of which; we don’t know anything about Tiki’s father; we just know that Tiki’s mother was Naga. That’s basically the reverse of how it usually is for main characters in FE.
I know it’s 100% confirmed now but in one of the screenshots you can see Leoine wielding a bow on a horse which is pretty cool.
Does anyone else see the irony in characters dressed as plague doctors using something called Miasma?
So basically the game revolves around an even more tedious version of the FE4 arena?
Hey Elie, wouldn’t it be 2- and 5+ for foe’s defensive structures in the A description?
Good, good, we’re getting there, one step closer to Anri…
You’re right. Sorry about that, and good eagle eye!
“Gee Naga why does you mom let your description have 2 games you’re in!”
I’m guessing they did that because the character story they’re using is from FE1-3, but the design is from Awakening? Found that weird too.
I know this is unrelated, but what’s going on with the forums? They were offline but now it doesn’t seem to be working.
The only question I have is, where is the trap? Lysithea lowkey looks like one but I hope someone is confirmed to be one. Even a reverse trap is fine.
Does Lysithea remind anyone else of Lute? I know it’s just the magical prodigy-ness that does it, but now I’m doubly interested in learning more about her! Hopefully we learn more of the Golden Deers and Blue Lions before release! (Black Eagles have had the lion’s share so far…)
Lamine must’ve fallen and as a result Mercedes evacuated to Faerghus and lived amongst the commoners, resulting in it being erased off of the map.
People creating theories like that make me really appreciate that IntSys care about lore and world building again.
The last time we ate that good was during the Tellius era.
Cordelia is in Leicester; so Lysithea’s mother is from Charon; who married into the Cordelia family of Leicester and passed her crest onto their children; resulting in them living in Cordelia; with the crest of Charon; and bearing the name of the Cordelia family.
you can actually also see Bernadettas support level with edelgard if you go frame by frame in the group task video
Thanks. I’ll take a look when I’m on my PC again.
lysithea looks exactly like one of my d&d characters and its driving me crazy. does this mean i have to marry her now? whack
Random Person 1: Sir, she’s 15, please reconsider.
Random Person 2: FBI OPEN UP!
to be fair i didn’t check her updated profile since i figured it was information we(i) already knew… ill just adopt her instead
would be kinda funny seeing byleth adopt a bunch of kids
1.Bylerh is likely around their age as she states everyone else is 2-3 years older.
2. We married characters like her before in the past(ie Lissa/Donnel/Ricken pretimeskip, Sakurai, Elise, Hayoto some of the fates kids etc).
yeah, though most of the time their age wasn’t specifically mentioned and elise at least was called “technically an adult”. And (male) byleth being just 17 or even 18 seems weird to me. And how did you just get 5 upvotes in 15 minutes? this screams bots to me.
Because its true don’t get how that’s “bots” they’re right it not strange getting 5 votes 1 of them being mine if it was like 12 then yeah.
I didn’t expect 5 people to give an upvote in 15 minutes, I’m sorry. But still, as I said, most of the time their age wasn’t specifically mentioned. And this time around you’re a teacher too! I know this is Japan, where the game is coming from, but come on. A teacher, marrying a student? Thats a bit to cliche for me.
If I just make a joke and people don’t understand it. Sigh.
I know you were joking but I was trying to make some clarity in case people viewing really took what you said seriously. As for Byleth likely being around 17-18 its not as strange as you think since FE Protagonists in majority are young when they start off non timeskip/non sequel wise ie Marth 16, Roy 16, Alm/Celica 17, Lyn 15 JP, Eliwood/Hector 17, Ike 17, Chrom 18-19 pre-timeskip you get the idea lol XD.
he and the most other protagonist look older though, but I guess it makes sense, considering how !fem byleth looks like and how back in the days people would go to war at a much younger age than today, though people in anime look different in general so that might also be a factor.
But i’d still find it weird if byleth would end up marrying a student and I don’t think I’m the only one.
Characters in Fates can marry their own retainers which is practically the same thing so not that weird even Roy can possibly marry his teacher as a option.
There’s still a differece between a more personal kind of “mentor” relationship and you being a teacher at an academy, but I guess if the age is correct love can break every wall? Tbh I just find it weird we never really wondered why such romantic relationships were possible in the first place. I know this is a fantasy world and practicly everything happening in FE would be harder or even impossible in real life. But that’s my point. It’s not realistic and therefore I saw it as weird. It’s natural for someone to think that unrealistic things are weird.
Having a intimate Mentor Pupil relationship isn’t unrealistic or weird at all…
Honestly I’m not convinced this game is going to be anything but a mix of Echoes skills and nuFE logic. It seems like it’s going to put too much focus on individual units once again, while also leaving the player with far too much freedom. I don’t really like many of the design choices I’ve seen so far but I’m still going into the game with an open mind like I did with Conquest.
Just see the focus on the individual units as an oppurtinity. In most other FE games, you usually had so many units, you always had to bench some of them so you could train up your main team (unless you grinded). But this time you – as we currently think – only have a small number of units of your house and therefore pretty much everyone is important. For example: even if someone has bad stats and/or growths, they could still be used as a healer or a wall/decoy or even a lockpicking bot (ashe has this as his personal skill), you decide.
At the moment we can’t say for sure if we will have access to more units than just the few of the house you chose to teach.
About the freedom of choice for the player: you are kinda limited by how good certain units excel at certain abilities. Of course, that doesn’t stop you from turning everyone into for example a cavalier or fighter, though.
It is not a good thing though. Having a small pool of units with the purpose of building them up into slaughter machines shifts the mechanics of the game into something that FE does poorly, which is minmaxing. The best games in the series are the ones where units slot into different roles in the army based on how you want to build it. You say that the other games have a ton of units that you never use without considering that you are never supposed to use all of them in a single playthrough. They’re there to fill up the space after other units die.
But now, we get games where the units themselves are put in the spotlight ahead of the bigger army. The games that do this the worst (as in Awakening and Birthright) often follow with a terrible compromise of the gameplay formula in order to accomodate for these mechanics. As we can see with those games and this one, they are designed with a heavy JRPG approach so that more it’s easily accessible even for people who have no interest in the strategy aspect.
As for the freedom of choice, I’m primarily speaking about doing things outside of a set frame. FE works best when there are certain rules that you have to conform to, since this offers a more concise strategic experience. That’s why I always prefer jumping straight from chapter to chapter, since anything more open is bound to have grinding which breaks the gameplay.
While I do agree on a lot of your facts, I know that most people don’t play FE in the way it’s intended (getting units killed and NOT resetting) and therefore the ‘backup’ units are kinda unnecessary (of course you could switch someone in if a units ends up getting bad level ups). And don’t forget about casual mode. Only having a very small amount of units sucks if one of them kicks the bucket though.
But I think your worries are mostly because we’re not used to so much freedom of choice in pretty much everything.
The only thing that currently worries me the most is the map design.
I also hope the game won’t become Awakening 3.0 in the sense of difficulty, fanservice and so on though. Lunatic (+) doesn’t really count, although it was significantly better in fates than it was in awakening. Why don’t I count Lunatic (+)? Because its a different challenge. I consider hard mode the base and pretty much standard mode.
That is the problem. If the games continue being designed with people resetting and with casual mode in mind, they will continue being bad. Ever since Awakening the games haven’t been balanced around permadeath and it sucks because this is one thing the series does great. Nowadays units are made to be party members instead of resources and it kills any hopes of offering a proper FE experience.
hmmmm if there are 5 tiers of promotion then having the levels not reset seems tolerable now, it could also possibly means that this game will be either very long or will be generous in giving out exp
Sweet! Elincia could use the refine, whatever it may be. I imagine Saizo and Kagero’s weapons will be similar in effect to each other and Oscar’s lance is likely just gonna be a beefed up Sapphire Lance since thats how its been with anyone that has a gem weapon. Don’t know what the special refines would be though.
I am surprised that Elincia is getting a refinement.
That being said, as someone who’s first 5* on the day the game released was Kagero, I am ecstatic that she is getting a refinement!
Yes! Kagero was a Nightmare as enemy at the start of Heroes~
That’s because 90% of what you faced was obnoxious Takumis and she was fantastic and ripping his guts out. Her and Robin.
Thanks. Keep up the good work
Fantastic work as usual.
I think “Help Retake Gaspard Castle” is story arc description, “Magdred Surprise Attack” is actual stage/battle name.
As you see, Magdred is just on the way from the Garreg-Mach Monastery to Gaspard.
So here is my assumption, in the end of June, you gonna take students to Gaspard for helping the church.
However, you and students are just attacked by enemy in half way at Magdred.
Are you sure you aren’t a detective in real life..? That’s pretty impressive!
I particularly appreciate the dates analysis. February 22nd certainly sounds like a plausible date for a game-changing event if everything expires on that day. If you are expected to be around level 15 in November, then around level 20 in February would make sense, which I’d expect is when you get the Advanced classes.
I really doubt the game would end right after getting the advanced classes, so there’s certainly going to be something after February. Plus, the various professor levels seems to be going up relatively slowly and there’s at least 10 of them (12 if it goes up to S+), so it has to go longer than that. Plus, I really doubt the game would be only 10-12 main maps long… but I also doubt it’s going to let you go all the way to level 60 with a class tier even higher than Advanced. It’d be nice if your theory is right, though!
I unfortunately have no clever observations to offer! The only thing I noticed (and it’s certainly not report-worthy) is that for the first time, characters seemingly will keep their bodies on reclass. The 2d games don’t have unique models for the characters, and in the 3d games either reclass doesn’t exist (FE9 and 10) or it’s just the character’s head on the default class models (3ds games). That lead to things like super buff Hayato as an oni, or Lucina with a giant chest as an archer, or Rinkah’s abs disappearing… Here, it looks like every character keep their own body no mater the class (see Raphael as fist fighter, or Petra), which is pretty neat considering how character classes are not fixed and how many there are.
I hope E3 shows at least one international (English) Trailer for the
game. So people who don’t use/know about sites and places like
serenesforest can get some kind of TLDR of the news we got since
february.
I like the fact that the mystical golden sword is likely to turn into a whip when used at 2 range. I would like to see that animation in a trailer.
“Kingdom Nobles’ Marriage (this one involves Dorothea and Ingrid).” What does this mean? Because if this means we’re getting a same gender couple instead of choosing who marries who, then I’m gonna set this one out.
It’s a paralogue/sidequest. Ingrid receives a marriage proposal from a Faerghus noble, but Dorothea recognises the noble and tries to dissuade Ingrid.
That’s a relief. But at the same time, a disappointment, because I think that confirms marriage isn’t gonna be in this game.
Impeccable analysis as per usual. Keep up the good work.
Two opportunities to +10 my Tana, better save my orbs. Though watch some cool new heroes drop simultaneously.
And finally my chance to get Lute~
Saber is the only unit on that list I don’t have
Hope you’ll get her. I’ve been meaning to use her more than I have but I find myself using Tiltyu and Ishtar for all my blue infantry mage needs.
I know I’m a bit late but I want to point out that there might be an even Crest split
1 Seiros Crest 1 Dark Crest (Byleth’s unknown Crest seems dark in nature)
10 Great Crests 10 unknown Crests that are not of the 10 Greats.
Since the 10 Greats are most definitely connected to Seiros this seems to be an 11v11 sort of thing
Edelgard looks to have hair buns. So the leaks might be true.
Only 90% of it assuming with sprinkle add-ons their words btw anyway I don’t wanna go into that and rather wait for release.
Oh yea for sure. Just thought it was noteworthy.
Yeah sure! pretty interesting this is like the first major FE game to have a good substantial leak
wait what leaks if you don’t mind me asking?
by Thanibomb on Reddit
Funny how Yarne has Galeforce when he was one of the few child characters in Awakening who couldn’t get it any way.
Yay…MORE Awakening characters that really aren’t needed.
We barely had any for a long time so it not more….
In terms of new characters true, but IS has been going a little too buck wild with alts for both Awakening and Fates for my tastes. I’m not saying this is a bad banner nor am I trying to hate on Awakening or Fates but it really wouldn’t kill IS to add characters from games that have fewer reps in Heroes like Sacred Stones or FE 4/5. Spread out the adding a little is all I’d like in all honesty.
What do you mean? there are only 11-12 Units left from Awakening (+3 if you count the Enemy)!
Joking aside, in my case as Tellius fan can´t complain, because many units already even have an alt!
I wish for a nice alt for Lute, too~
Eh, I’m a bit iffy on alts since we’ve been getting them non-stop lately.
Yes, they are stretching the game a little far here.
Perfect. This is exactly what I wanted to save up some orbs.
Incredibly good donate banner.
Yarne is finally here to make everyone go extinct. Again.
Well, if it not flying, than dragons are the next what Int.Sys. favors.
Very sneaky to get those sweet melodys
God I’m certain my jaw fell off while watching that new trailer 😀
it went so fast, the first time watching it, I mistook Dimitri for Byleth.
I didn’t do that but my brain spent awhile processing the trailer, I wasn’t really paying attention to the direct for a little while after the trailer finished.
Yes there’s a time-skip! I hope this gives us really fleshed-out characters and an epic story!
I really hope that if any of the students died before the time-skip they’ll be mentioned by some of the surviving characters after the time-skip, maybe we’ll see memorials for them when they go back to the Monastery.
They’ll most likely just retreat if they die before that point. New IS is not exactly known for effort.
I did think of that too. But remember back in the February trailer they said about dealing with things like bandits “These may be class assignments but the stakes in each battle are very real. Whether your students live or die will depend on your leadership.” So I don’t think my idea is too into the realms of fantasy.
It mentioned that time is open to us can we go between the times and effect relations in the past changing relations in the future?
so excited about the timeskip
They showed the Treehouse icon during the trailer, so they’ll be showing live gameplay right? Does anyone know when it starts?
Hope you were able to watch it today! If not just watch the VOD on YouTube or Twitch.
So Thanibomb was right. At least about some things.
i really got “be careful who you call ugly in middle school”d by dimitri.. i kind of wish they had left the timeskip to be a surprise, but its sounding like itll be a huge factor into the game play (“both sides of time are open to you”).. so i can forgive them for this. im suddenly really excited for the game, and i am VERY interested in dimitri suddenly. not just because i like hard edgy guys with eyepatches i swear..looks like his character development will be the most interesting out of the main trio..
I wasn’t sure if there would even be a timeskip, but the trailer put those thoughts to rest.
I think it was necessary. 😡 Hype for the game wasn’t that high. It’s nice to keep cool things a secret, but you have to let people know cool things are there in the first place.
It’s not too bad, though. When I played Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, I knew well in advance that there was a child and adult phase, and it didn’t harm my experience at all.
The fact that there’s a timeskip now shows me that there is more to Three Houses than a classroom simulator.
well, when i think about this stuff i think back to my experiences with Awakening specifically. i did not know any of the twists and went in blind and it was SUPER exciting and engaging! so to reveal stuff thats on par with awakening’s twists (i dont know how awakening was advertised at all) sort of bummed me out. but you’re right, it has also hyped me up for the game! but i think of it as something i’d have want to seen for myself naturally in the game
Awakening’s western marketing spoiled Lucina and a lot of other twists, I’m pretty sure.
oh smash bros certainly did that too.
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Smash 4 wasn’t that kind to people that haven’t played Awakening.
I remember Etika (I get he’s kinda infamous in our community) spoiling a lot of people with Marth being Lucina.
“Hype for the game wasn’t that high.”
Where have you been? It’s been pretty high lately due to the influx of news the past 2 months after being left in the dark for a year.
I agree and disagree. While there’s plenty of reasons to show there’s a time skip, one being for people like me who want to plan ahead; it does ruin the surprise for some who are more “sensitive” to spoilers. Oot is a very old game, and is well known for it’s timeskip/travel mechanic like FE 4 is for it’s two generations. Granted I have met people who were oblivious to that.
All those news wer eposted in a Japanese video game magazine and on Japanese twitter. Very few people actually know about it, especially outside of Japan. And even among those who took part in the news there was still a notable amount of criticism over the emphasis on the school, the homogenous character designs and the lack of a defined conflict.
All I see from people on news sites lately is how much they hate the character designs, or how IS has run out of ideas, or how it doesn’t have a Fire Emblem feel. There is not much optimism for it. That kind of reception will kill the game before it even has a chance to prove itself.
Dimitri evolved into Snow from Lightning Returns.
And I still don’t own a Switch…
The soundtrack sounds incredible, I’m so hyped for this game!
really not digging older Edelgard’s red-on-red-on-red get up. and.. that’s the only negative thing i have to say!
this trailer seriously restored hype for me for 3 houses. it really makes me want to pre-order it, but unfortunately i’ll be out camping release week. ): older Dimitri and Claude are absolutely stunning. i’m not a fan of this character designer, and was convinced that despite her(?) history with otome, she couldn’t design attractive men. guess i was wrong!
i mentioned it in the intial post, but what’s grabbing me the most here is how certain character’s may have developed and changed. Dimitri being the most obvious.. and most intriguing, in my opinion. i really, REALLY like what’s happening here. i haven’t been this excited for 3h since the initial trailer. 😀
If you made zoom on the Black Beast artwork you can see that it has a crest symbol on it’s nose like the white dragon.
Good observation! It uses a crest stone as a weapon, so I’m not too surprised. But I didn’t think to look there.
Fangirling has increased https://media3.giphy.com/media/ckeHl52mNtoq87veET/giphy.gif
This isn’t what I expected, and that’s why it was so amazing!
Ever since the first trailer, I knew there’d be a time skip with the three lords being good friends and then get exposed to the realities of war. I just wasn’t expecting it to be years! I had this exact same problem with Endgame: I thought they’d skip 5 months and then they said years! So that means this game has to delivery a lot to justify it
The lords are exactly how I envisioned them to turn into over time, though I think they’re still technically allies. And the only side character I’ve been curious about is Rea. These creepy still frames of her tell me nothing, but her intro video implies her to be important so I REALLY hope she isn’t evil. The ‘villains’ seem just as generic as Garon, but that could change soon.
And as for Byleth…. they’re OK. They and Nemesis must have some sort of connection to the bone sword, the hair change is stupid but heart pumping and their connection to the lord you pick must really have a deep (platonic) relationship.
I see Edelgard has been taking lessons from princess Leia about regal hairstyles.
I wonder if other characters in the roster also get a 5 year time-skip design. They might look more interesting
If you’re gonna deep dive into the leaks later on I’ll just want to warn you that Thani made a lot of posts over a long period of time and not everything is in the compilation thread. Here’s some posts that aren’t in said thread, taken from Thani’s post history. It contians information about the Church, Marianne, Jeralt and Dimitri’s childhood friends:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/bovt8v/three_houses_spoiler_thread/eog7pb4/
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/brwgz2/question_about_the_blue_haired_girl_in_the_golden/eoh3lug/
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/bovt8v/three_houses_spoiler_thread/enqqomp/
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/bovt8v/three_houses_spoiler_thread/enut60p/
Oh and also, the Spanish’s website’s leak about the church being the main villain seems to be a mistake according to Thani:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/bovt8v/three_houses_spoiler_thread/eokq54a/
Also also, supporting non-playable characters might be a thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/bovt8v/three_houses_spoiler_thread/eokm5om/?context=3
Thanks a bunch! I’m aware they made other posts, but I wasn’t sure where to start looking.
Bodes ill for Sylvain if he has a sister because that orange hair is spot on with the above image.
In the dancing scene, Dimitri isn’t dancing with Edelgard. You can see that she has gloves on, but the hand on Dimitri is gloveless.
She’s not, it’s just the lighting making her hands like white like gloves.
Is is just me, or does Edelgard’s hair in the first pic have the same pale green color as Byleth’s?
Thank you for your wonderful analysis as always
tnx
we can give Rhea a gift? seems like she will not be a villain in the future time
So many interesting idea and concept here, like unrestricted class and class branch, hidden talent, etc.
i dont know how or why can FE fans still hating this title. Haters gonna hate i guess :/
maybe just me, but i hope older Version of Three House leaders are a separate character (not affected by your chosen class in school time) so we can see them in “canon” future class, and our “preferred” class. or make them as Green/NPC unit in the future with boosted stat as adult
Maybe she’s an incredibly hard to recruit character that needs a lot of persuasion? Haha.
I am pretty hopeful she’ll join eventually though. It’d be sad to have another Emmeryn or Mikoto type character…
but we did have a recruitableemmeryn
We can put that down to Awakening being shit than anything else.
hopefully not only she is hard to recruit but also powerful/unique unit.
People like FE for different reasons. Older fans generally do not like when the systems offer too much freedom, and would prefer when the gameplay is more restricted. This game is literally the opposite of what we want.
Er, speaking as an older fan myself, I’m fine perfectly fine with the idea of broadly customizable units as long as the units in question retain some real sense of individuality. And if you really want more “restrictive” gameplay, why not just impose those restrictions on yourself? It’s not like solo-unit runs have ever been built into previous games, or really even encouraged, but people still do them.
Then you’re probably not as hardcore about the series as I am. If you were, then you would know exactly where the strengths of the series lies. Hint: it’s not in building units, having complex systems, or in grinding. The best games are the ones with minimal systems but engaging scenarios.
If you want the whole truth rather than just a hint, I’ll lay it out for you. Fire Emblem has transitioned from a linear, resource based, scenario driven SRPG into a semi-linear progression based JRPG on a grid. And it fucking sucks.
“Then you’re probably not as hardcore about the series as I am.” …Mmmkay. Sure.
Anyway, my argument here is that if you want to ignore all the tutoring, roaming sections, and mid-month skirmishes, you can. There’s a command specifically for skipping past all that and jumping right to the next key battle. If you want to avoid all reclassing and go straight down a single promotion path for a given unit, you can.
Nice job with disregarding all I said. My point still stands. FE is not the same anymore, and self-imposed challenges are not the same as a game coherently built around around said challenges. I bet you would also consider FE8 to function the same way as CQ.
All I’m seeing is the Echoes system in a new entry. Personal magic and combat skills are enough to tell me this is farther away from normal FE from anything that isn’t named Echoes.
I haven’t directly addressed your complaints because I’m very unclear on what you actually object to. I see the gradual evolution of a series that continues to try new ideas rather than stagnate and die. I can only presume you see differently, but I fail to see what your specific complaints are. Story? Map design? “Scenario” can mean a lot of different things in this context.
I think Sacred Stones and Conquest are very different games for a variety of reasons, but that they’re obviously built on the same conceptual framework. I think the same for every game in the franchise, even the odd ducks like Gaiden and Shadows of Valentia. As for personal magic lists, they’re anything but complicated, and the manually activated combat arts present in SoV and 3H are ultimately a much easier concept to grasp, and to make use of, than the randomly-activated class skills present in Sacred Stones.
Regardless, the reason I replied in the first place was to make it clear that not all veteran players hate what Three Houses appears to be shaping up into.
I literally wrote what I’m objecting to. FE has turned into a more party-styled unit system since the 3DS games where unit progression is such an important aspect of the gameplay that losing one can be nearly unrecoverable. This is also one of the ways the games are not really balanced around permadeath anymore. If you can look with a straight face and say that the changes to the formula that shift the style of the games away from being unique SRPGs into generic JRPGs are good, then more power to you. That just proves my initial statement of you not valuing the core aspects of the series enough to be disappointed to see them gone.
Regarding scenarios: We’ve seen a bunch of systems so far but as Awakening proves, we’re going to need engaging gameplay scenarios to make said systems satisfying. There can be skills, intricate formations, and deep progression, but if every map is an open field rout objective like in that game, everything is going to fall flat. Nothing of what we’ve seen yet shows that the map design has been improved. Depth is also not necessarily a good thing, which holds true in particular for skills.
i understand your point, but it is unavoidable. every major franchise that i know went past 6th or so series start to differ greatly from earlier installment: Tales, Shining, FF, etc.
are people starting from Binding blade considered older fans? i like new ideas for gameplay mechanic, didnt like meaningless fanservice, but still want support system included. beat almost every FE starting from Roy to Alm (remake)
soo.. am i older or newer fans :/ ?
My first game was Sacred Stones back in 2005. I’d say as long as you started playing them before Awakening came out you’d probably be considered an older fan. Preferences of the games themselves don’t really have anything to do with it.
Thanibomb had actually leaked a while ago that Rhea would, in fact, be recruitable. Considering that Manuela can join you as well, I would assume that most – if not all – of the teachers can join you.
Thanks for another great analysis.
One thing I found interesting: When you look at the screenshot with the advanced classes you can see a scroll bar to the far right, suggesting there will be another tier of classes (which makes me very happy).
I wonder why they removed the weapon triangle and what the advantages will be using different kind of weapons vs the same enemy…
well the weapon types have always had their different Pow & Hit (and I think Wt is returning) so there is variance just less.
Its probably to stop players abusing the new weapon system and having full weapon triangle control
Great analysis. But I don’t think she outright said that the weapon triangle is no more. She just said it’s more about the combat arts this time around.
I know what you mean, but on a base level, it’s gone. I was gonna talk about the Combat Arts, but I kinda forgot, haha.
Also, we know that there are (passive) Professor Skills that grant breaker skills. I guess those ones will have a different name though, if there are indeed breaker-type Combat Arts.
I like how the class change menu still uses the Awakening/Fates style sprites despite everything being 3D models now.
Thats probably more for space than anything else cause I imagine having each of the characters’ full 3D models in each class would take up a lot of room. Makes it a little easier to find the class you want that particular student to be in if nothing else.
If Thanibomb is to be believed, he remarked that we could only recruit one other student from another house.
In the Nintendo Treehouse E3 presentation it was revealed that you can actually recruit multiple characters and that they will already join you before the time skip. Also, Thanibomb had leaked well over a month ago that Claude would become a wyvern rider as his final unique class.
I knew about the unique final class, but I was worried about the lack of the actual Wyvern Rider class in general gameplay, had only seen Pegasi as flying units up to this point. It’s possible development changed to allow multiple recruits, Thani did say his info was from early on.
the old guy actually says “So the fell star (…)” which could refer to the Seiros or even Sothis as their name are alternate versions of the star named Sirius
Some thing I noticed in the Nintendo coverage is that Byleth’s sword seems to have durability, which I find really strange if it’s supposed to be a legendary weapon. Maybe instead of breaking like normal weapons it needs to recharge like the Master Sword in Breath of the Wild, or maybe it just looses the red glow and becomes a less powerful weapon when the durability is depleted. Also Ignace has been translated as Ignatz, not sure how I feel about that.
Ignace had never been a correct translation of his name. If you romanize his name イグナーツ, you end up with Igunaatsu. Just from looking at it one can easily tell that it is far more similar to the German name Ignatz than the English Ignace and, considering that a lot of the names in Three Houses are, in fact, German, it was only logical to translate his name as such.
Oh I see I didn’t know that, cheers for clearing that up for me
according to the treehouse coverage, you can pursue romantic relationships after the 5 year timeskip. i don’t have time to fully peruse your analysis right now, but it sounds like the treehouse demo may have showed off elements left out of gamespot’s!
I know leaks are unstoppable, but I hope I’m not the only one who hates leaks for their spoilery nature.
The time skip and a lot of other things too would have been a huge reveal (even if it was already hinted in the very first game trailer by who we presumed to be Edelgard. Though back then Christina Vee still voiced her and that just recently got changed to Kira Buckland, we assume. Maybe that hinted timeskip got Vee kicked out? It’s a bit of a far stretch, but possible…) if thanibomb didn’t leak so much essential info.
I’m surprised Nintendo didn’t get their leaks handled, but maybe the FE fanbase was just a bit too hungry for new information and someone just had to drop the thanibomb? (haha bad joke/10)
And avoiding youtube, twitter and so on just because of leaks is just something I don’t want to do.
Props to Vincent for all these dense articles in rapid succession.
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You really called him Ferdy..
Nice work! Thank you for taking part of your time to upload this!
what if there are more than 2 parts for this game?
That would be mind blowing. I am getting Radiant Dawn vibes from this game.
yeah, same here
Very happy that there’s a dual language option, but does anyone know if the game is multi-language? Eg. If I purchase the Japanese copy of Three Houses, will I be able to toggle the game language from JP to EN as well?
Nintendo Switch games are not region locked. Most commonly, the games use the language of your system and, in certain cases like this one, allow you to change the language of the voice over.
I believe there hasn’t been any confirmation either way. If I find out, I’ll try to mention it. I heard the Japanese preorder page only mentions Japanese support but I haven’t checked it yet. That info could be outdated too.
yep, hopefully this will make more people buy it, so less people not buying cause of quality of certain dub
You forget, she was in Byleth’s room right when the stream started. Presumably you can interact with her in some capacity.
I mention Sothis when the monastery map appears. She isn’t listed as an occupant when your personal quarters are selected. That’s why I said you (probably) can’t interact with her.
not sure if people noticed it in the gameplay video or the one that’s new from gamespot(12min) the sword of creator only has 20 durability, that’s so little imo, i hope there are ways to repair it outside of a hammern(if hammern is even in this game) and then what if there are sword of creator exclusive combat arts then rip weapon durability
I’m going to predict that maybe it runs off BotW Master Sword rules? The crest specific weapons are very powerful, but have limited uses that recharge in between battles; that way you can use the exclusive weapons but can’t just mow down the entire game with them. If would be very annoying if we backtracked to older FE games where they were one and done weapons.
either that or genealogy repair system, i really don’t want to go back to old FE of legendary weapons having limited uses imo because it makes me just not want to use it because there’s almost no way to get it back at all save for a couple of hammern uses
Similar to what someone else said, I get the feeling the legendary weapons will operate like magic. You have a certain amount of uses for them, but they’ll recharge afterwards.
With only 20 uses, they’d have to get repaired A LOT if that’s not the case, given how much the combat arts wear down the weapon.
ikr, byleth has 3-4 cost combat arts in the demo shown
while the current highest we’ve seen is 5 for lance combat arts
I too am hoping for a magic wielding mounted units, like a mageknight or something like that similar to FE4
A note on your last observation about the turncount; the hosts say that there were two mutually exclusive objectives for the map, (1) kill all regular enemies, or (2) defeat the difficult Death Knight.
The 25 turns is a time limit to do either of those, and the map ends because the player defeats all the regular enemies.
Ah, I see, thanks. I was a bit confused about their explanation. I’ll fix that part as soon as I can.
For some etymology for people, The Dagda is an Irish god and one of the most powerful of the Tuatha Dé Danann. He had a consort in The Morrígan and he had a daughter named Brigit, sometimes spelt as Brigid, much like another place in Fódlan. Teutates is an alternative spelling of Toutatis, who was a Celtic tribal protector.
This also isn’t the first time FE has referenced Dagda and Brigid. Brigid was a Sniper in Genealogy and Dagda was the Warrior you start with in Thracia.
Not exactly a reference to either, but one that is related is Ogma, who was a brother to Dagda in myth.
also in some other gameplay vids, forgot if it was ign or kotaku’s felix activated his crest in battle and did 17 damage but the battle forecasted damage is actually 12, not sure if it’s gonna help or anything regarding what crests do
I’m going to make a request that will likely get ignored, which is fine. Please do NOT cover the leaks in any capacity. Leaks are very harmful when they are as large as these have been for Three Houses. As far as I’m aware, companies view them as harmful to their sales given only people who are already fans seek them out, so they certainly don’t gain sales, and people who become disenchanted with the game won’t buy, so they do lose sales.
I ask this as a fan of the Tales of series, which had a period in which nothing got localized and it was likely due to leaks and BandaiNamco’s anger over them. It’s probably more complicated than that, but the timeline of events certainly hint at it.
Anyways, thanks for the coverage of the official info. I look forward to your coverage of the game itself upon release.
We saw a new girl called Shimar and she looks pretty cool when we looked at the teacher menu.
hoo boy, it seems there are at least decent amount of activity, that school setting is more than a gimmick like i thought before. looking forward to buy switch just for this game 😀
There’s no way that that “King of Beasts” would be able to stand on its hind legs like it does in the first picture.
It’s a monster in a world of magic so it’s possible.
Felix’s extra damage likely comes from his personal skill, which deals +5 damage when he has no battalion. And about Sylvain’s retreat, one of the first thing I noticed was the defeat condition being “All of your units fall in battle”, with no special mention of Byleth or Dimitri. Wonder if that’s just for demo purposes or if that’s how the free weekend battles work
Good idea! I thought about his skill, but he actually has a Battalion deployed. It’s the Seiros Holy Monks used to trigger the Stride Gambit.
“All your units fall in battle” was how Casual Mode worked in Fates. Corrin’s defeat didn’t give a Game Over, only a complete wipe. In Awakening, Chrom or Robin’s defeat (but not Lucina’s) was still a Game Over even on Casual.
So maybe this demo was on Casual? I forget if Casual in Echoes still had Alm and Celica dying being a Game Over.
Thank you so much for all you do, Vincent! This must be so hectic for you!!
I noticed two things in the Kotaku video. One is that Ashe did not have Curved Shot available as an art it seemed, where he did in the other two videos, not sure what’s up with that. The other is that in the Kotaku video, Dedue gets to double up with gauntlets when he attacks, but in the Enemy Phase, he gets attacked and his counterattack does not double up. Seems like gauntlets only double up in the player phase?
Combat arts are learned, not innate. So, it’d make sense if he had it sometimes.
I also noticed the gauntlet bit! It does look like that is the case.
and we still don’t know what those smithing stones that some activities gives us, like sure it’s gonna be for forging but how does it comes to play there and how extensive is the forging feature in here compared to previous FE games
Didn’t we think Dedue’s personal ability was some form of Renewal? Or was that Raphael?
Raphael’s personal was similar to Good Fortune, the merc skill from Fates, it just heals less.
I’m glad to see unique color schemes maintained no matter the class.
Is it known yet that the units level cap is over 20? Because Dimitri leveled up to lv 24 in the gameplay.
Since class changing doesn’t reset your level, and given all the tiers of classes, I’d say the level cap in this game is somewhere from 60 to 80.
I really don’t like the three branching stories concept, more specifically being forced to join the house you taught during the war. I also don’t like that you will likely have to play through all 3 paths to get the full story. At the very least I hope the three stories converge into the same one by the end of the game regardless of the house you chose to teach. Aside from that the E3 coverage really got me hyped again after the last direct that was all about school stuff.
Look at it this way, at least you don’t have to pay an arm and a leg (at least $40 for US players, don’t know for other countries but probably about the same amount in their currency) for three separate games like we had to for Fates. I mean yeah there was the special edition but that was double the price of either Conquest or Birthright alone.
I never bothered buying conquest or revelations. I am just not going to support that kind of business model, and also what I saw of the conquest story was horrible. But I agree with you, this is definitely better.
Yeah, I think IS learned their lesson from that particular stupid marketing attempt. Since they aren’t trying that again with Three Houses. I’ve played a little of Conquest (I got Birthright and then the other two as DLC at half price when they came out) but the dialogue was rather depressing and I just couldn’t force myself to play it, but yeah lots of people say the story was terrible but the gameplay was good. Revelations was just considered bad overall.
conquest gameplay is really just that good, and the map designs is impressive
I know, I frequent GameFAQ a lot and mostly the Fire Emblem boards and see either people bitching about how bad Conquest’s story is or praising its gameplay (aside from this one guy called Endgame and his multiple accounts who constantly acts like a broken record and says the same thing over and over about being able to cheese the game on Lunatic/Classic with just Xander, I find that hard to believe cause RNG can be rather fickle when it wants to, same with Birthright except Ryoma is in Xander’s place). Nobody really says much about the maps though.
ah endgame lol infamous troll of gamefaqs
i think map designs is what conquest absolutely nailed down imo it’s varied the difficulty is great( or hard depending on your taste) and actually shows off the mechanics of fates
I’m guessing you frequent there too if you know that wannabe know-it-all lol. I did mostly Pheonix/Easy mainly to get a feel of the game but even then one screw and RNG being an ass and you lose a unit even if they do come back instantly (yes I’m a filthy casual but I’m not like most who are gonna go gunge ho and into high difficulty expecting it to be super easy, lol yeah not when RNG is involved).
i used to frequent there but there are other better places now to get information from and talk to people online like discord of dedicated sites for some games, so i just stopped going there at all
Yeah thats probably for the best, its gotten to the point some are just making stupid polls on who has the best chest amongst the female characters and some that are just but some of the more annoying “wifu” fanboys. Now I got nothing against those that have a “wifu” but I don’t like it when they get obnoxious to the point they’re practically shoving it in everyone’s face.
personally branching path jrpgs get me REALLY excited! …as long as theyre done well (see: growlanser, megaten, etc) which fates certainly wasnt. hopefully the fact theyre not selling it as 3 separate games means they learned smth from fates; but well just have to wait and see i guess! stylistically the ui and terrain reminds me of tellius and i like what weve seen of every character except sothis thus far, those giant cryptid demon things and holy war setting sound real intriguing. not holding my breath but im actually reappy hype
To each their own I guess; I’m glad someone else likes this at least. Nevertheless, the branching paths are only a minor thing for me. What I’m liking is that they seem to have taken a lot from Echoes, such as combat arts, learning magic spells as you level up, long range archers with what looks like a range penalty (would make a lot of sense and add to combat depth), no weapon triangle (I think), and it looks like when weapons’ durability depletes they don’t permanently break (a huge plus for me since I hate breaking weapons and micromanaging them ALL THE TIME; would personally like no durability but this is a nice in-between). The hype is real.
thats true! i play for story > gameplay and i hadnt seen the newest story trailer til a little after posting my last comment but now.. i dont think ive been this hype from a trailer since we were tryna figure out who masked marth vs zombies was lol! i personally wasnt into echoes magic leveling thing bc it stuck out so much, but now that its a general thing i think imma really like it tbh. re: range penalty, i remember tellius had a shooting higher terrain penalty and iirc at least longbows had shit hit rate in gba, but overall it feels super fresh and if the leaks continue ti be totally true werr in for a spiritual successor to tellius/geneology. man, july cant come gast enough now
Well knowing their trends. There will likely be a DLC only 4th neutral path that is the true ending. emphasis on the paid DLC part…
But that aside this game has that time skip and some serious undertones like in FE4 so it should be fun.
Also in the Blue Lions battle, Dimitri is oddly missing
I’m so pumped for this! Full va! Weapons durability! Seemingly custom storyline! Great unit interaction (including romances yes I like this if done right)!
One more month to go and I am off the grid!
I find it interesting that they mention that normal and hard are available at the start. Maybe lunatic mode will be unlocked after beating the game once?
i hope lunatic mode and lunatic+ is in, or if not maybe a dlc?
I think Lunatic is definitely in.
…At least I hope so.
I wish they’d remove lunatic altogether and just make the game’s actually challenging to begin with. You dont have to arbitrarily slap high tier equipment and impossible skills on enemies to do this.
that would cause idk some backlash in some fans of FE, i think making it an option is the best compromise we can have at this point, after all not everyone can handle a hard FE game
I’m not asking for a lot. I just want consistency. I dont want enemies with basically cheated stats and skills. I want normal difficulty bumped up a notch or two to be at least roughly in line with the GBA games and Hard up even further. Keep the casual and the “turnwheel” for beginners or the less tactically minded and go from there.
I also want level limits and so far they have abandoned that since they introduced it in Awakening so thats nice.
When it comes down to it the reason they added Lunatic and + was to give a challenge to people who had DLC and a wiki to max out characters. In Conquest they mitigated this by limiting grinding like previous games but Birthright was very easy by comparison. The introduction of DLC is really what has facilitated this mode. When you can theoretically grind forever then even Hard can be easy because your characters are maxxed out. So idk. Either DLC grindmaps have to stop (no way they are losing that money stream) or they do what I Shadows of Valencia and Conquest did and limit the total number of levels you get but maximize the skills you can acquire with careful management and then build Hard around that or they just cheat the enemy to be so OP you have to practically cheat yourself to have a chance.
This game looks like they mitigate this in “school” phase by limited your time to develop characters and then “war” phase they fight with what you guided them on with little more input beyond levels and tactics.
i think having the options for casual players, and people who loves challenging gameplay is already consistent enough, shadow dragon remake had it, the fe3 remake also had it, same with awakening and fates, i think it’s only SoV that didn’t have lunatic and lunatic+ but I’ll chalk that one up to being a very faithful remake
not sure if it’s gonna be present in this game though, i hope it is, or if not at least a dlc, i hope
I am just concerned because they dumb down the other difficulties to make Lunatic seem more challenging.
Something interesting I noticed in the Kotaku footage. Upon re-winding the map, Dimitri got the exact same level up he did the first time. Maybe the game pre-rolls levels ups at the start of each map to prevent Divine Pulse abuse for better gains?
I think it’s the same as it was in Echoes, then! (Correct me if I’m wrong) I think the game pre-rolled level ups so that you’d have to completely re-load the map in order to have the game roll new level ups in that game, as well.
Didn’t the Reddit leak say that the game has same-sex romance galore or am I misremembering? Don’t want to check because I almost forgot all leaked story bits and I don’t want to respoil myself lol.
Without saying who’s an option and all, the leak mentioned some same-sex options, but definetely not tons of them. Also there would be apparently more options for F!Byleth rather than M!Byleth.
Not just that, they’re also mostly focused on one house, which leads me to believe that this particular part of the leaks is made up
sounds like gaybaiting. Aren’t people insulted by arbitrary inclusion?
The only people insulted by ‘arbitrary inclusion’ are people who are a part of the majority instead of the minority. Sincerely, a lesbian. P.S. by that logic nature also practices ‘arbitrary inclusion’ since there are people who are black/gay/bi etc for no reason other than they were born that way.
You didn’t get what I said obviously. I would be insulted if my specific demographic was shoehorned into media to somehow get my buy. Apparently you don’t suffer from this standard. If not insulted aren’t you at least aware the only reason they include such things is to get you to buy it? Like look at Valbar and Leon. Thats an example of it being fine. Niles and Rhajat are not. Its just there to check a box. Hell Rhajat is a double whammy cause she is fanservice from Awakening… but I guess that makes it a little ok.
Then you here rumors of multiple same sex stuff in a game based on time periods that this was especially rare. Incest was more common and indeed there are incest options in some games.
You guys are alright with this? The only case where this should be ok is in the case of Byleth’s options for people such as yourself and even then only if its appropriate. I don’t like the trope that changes characters sexuality only in regards to the player character. I wouldn’t want a lesbian, who is clearly a lesbian character to be attracted to a Male Byleth just because. You get what I am saying here?
Kinda disappointed with the healing getting durability back, honestly preferred the way Echoes handled it.
Do units not keep their unique colour schemes on promotion to different classes or are they just very subtle?
if there are no same-sex support options.. my interest in this game is seriously going to dip. everything else is really exciting for me! it took til E3 for them to really really sell the game to me, and i’m super excited. but being unreasonably excluded (yes, i believe only have 1 same-sex marriage option is unreasonable)..its kind of like a spit in the face. not to say it makes the game bad or awful or homophobic even. but its just like.. 🙁
S supports are traditionally the marriage marker, but we know marriage is only available post-time skip, so it stands to reason that you can’t even see the marriage supports until during the war phase. so maybe there’s like.. an SS or S+ support..? or something, haha, i dont know.. i’m in my bargaining phase right now ): that screenshot is clearly from the school phase, so.. maybe we can’t draw any conclusions from it.
The thanibomb leaks (which are basically confirmed now, having a ton of details confirmed in the new trailer from them) do elaborate on some same-sex options. Apparently a few more lesbian ones than male-on-male ones.
to be blunt, f/f supports mean nothing to me! i’m actually not into pairing up other units without the addition of child units (i reeeeally enjoy minmaxing and pairing up based on ideal stat output), and even if kids were in fe3h.. i imagine same-sex couples wouldn’t be able to have kids. so if there is more f/f than m/m.. i’ll still feel kinda burned. its better than nothing, i suppose! beggars can’t be choosers (though IS really should respect their lgbt player base a bit more..)
i’ve been assuming that thanibomb played an early demo/was a tester and under that assumption, i’ve been banking on not all of the supports being added, or not all of the support decisions being final.. either way. when switch hacking becomes more accessible, there will definitely be same-sex mods that ill play to death, like the ones for awakening and fates.
How can someone be more respectful to the LGBT community than including them in the first place? How much catering to .3% of a population of people (only a fraction of which are specifically interested in videogames and an even further fraction of which play Fire Emblem) do they need to do exactly?
I mean sure, despite it not making sense in a medieval setting, include them for the sake of having them if you can write them in a good way but this arbitrary inclusion should be insulting the the LGBT community but instead they are never happy and demand more.
I just don’t get it.
How incredibly shallow.
Another great write-up Vincent! Loving all that you’re doing. Just one quick thing I want to suggest though, when Sylvain retreated you presented the idea that he was doing this because the game is still in school mode. Whilst that’s a likely explanation the failure condition for this map was having every unit die (as seen at the beginning of the GameSpot video) which makes me think it’s actually in casual mode and that this mode is slightly different to previous casual modes being more relaxed.
Can’t wait to read your future articles and finally being able to play the game!
This is just a guess but I think that the Sword of the Creator was likely wielded by the leader of the 10 Elites.
From the original trailer, where the fight between Seiros and Nemesis occurs, Nemesis is wielding the Sword of the Creator. This is assuming those are Seiros and Nemesis. Which is interesting since he’s wielding the Sword of the Creator and also bears the title of a Liberation King… Also Nemesis and Byleth share the crest they have. Getting back on topic, the Sword of the Creator is a hero relic granted by Seiros to one of the ten elites so that would imply that Nemesis was one of the ten elites and ended up turning against Seiros for some reason. There is definitely some possible foreshadowing for Byleth here.
that reason might be connected to why he is called “the liberation king” and when FE three houses was first shown off it was said that the land of fodlan is ruled/controlled by the church of seiros
Oh yeah, I don’t think the history of the 10 Elites from Twitter is the whole story. At some point, perhaps earlier, the Goddess also granted her power to various saints, including Seiros. From what I understand, Seiros is not an Elite but definitely has a crest. I am guessing Nemesis is a similar case. I wouldn’t be surprised if he “betrayed” the others though.
Yeah thats a good possibility. Hopefully we’ll get more info on the 10 Elites, I mean the game comes out in a little more than a month and while we do have some info its not enough to know everything about the game or its story.
Following the others’ convention, the crest in Edelgard’s weapon is almost certainly the Crest of Hresvelg.
The Adrestian Empire’s unique relationship with the Church of Seiros is likely why she wields two Hero Relics — Seiros’ sword and Hresvelg’s axe.
So a question about Claude now arises… they showed the classes on their website, which lord has Sword Lance and Authority, but he uses bows as clear from the trailer, and only the 3 house leaders can be lords, so does that mean he gets jipped out of his specialty while leveling and dabbling into lord, before having to go back to archer?
I think that the weapons associated with classes just get a boost to the amount of experience gained towards Professor levels, since the restrictions on weapons in this game are very few. So I don’t think we’ll have to worry about gypping anybody unless we mount the potential gauntlet inheritor, but even then it wouldn’t be too hard to modify the character to fit the relic thanks to the new system.
As the other user said, the icons only correspond to what boost that class provides. All weapons can be equipped by all classes with a couple exceptions.
Those exceptions being that magic is restricted to certain classes and gauntlets can’t be used by mounted classes.
Edelgard gets the same treatment.
To agree with Disclaimer, Edelgard having Minor Seiros and Major Hresvelg wouldn’t be any different at all from Seliph in FE4 having Minor Naga and Major Baldus. So I would believe that.
god these weapons are so cool.. probably the coolest looking ones from the “new” FE generation imo
Axe, Lance and Bow… and Byleth will have the sword. 4th route DLC confirmed.
I seriously want to know how this war started. And I don’t want the answer to be some evil dragon/mage magically manipulating the leaders but an organic believable reason. And it HAS to be believable, the whole premise hinges on that because during this time in school they would all have bonded to some degree.
I am also curious about min-maxxing in this game. timeskips and time management make me nervous about lots of missable moments because you didn’t train random person A to a specific level in a specific skill and so you miss a scene or they die 5 years in the future or whatever. I dont think i have the patience to juggle a Persona level exact play type of game that needs guides to work your way through.
could be some people like the faction which the death knight and flame emperor belongs to instigating the war, or the latest trailer felt like it was the adrestian empire who first struck the hostility and starting the whole war
Ah the evil empire trope strikes again. That’d be pretty lame. I would take multiple simultaneous false flag king slayings over then some rando on one side just starting a fight.
I’m just speculating, but it could go into the lines of like, since the trailer said that the land of fodlan is controlled by the church of seiros, some bigwigs in some kingdom don’t like that so they conspire to take the church out of the picture and launch a massive war in the name of world domination, or something, i mean jrpg story ain’t exactly an award winning piece
You obviously haven’t played earlier Fire Emblems or FFX or Star Ocean or whatever. The whole thing that seperated JRPG from western ones was that they emphasized story and specticle over freedom. Its really sad that the new normal is trash writing instead of the greats of the past. FE4 in this very series stands out.
i’ve played them all and frankly most of them are overused cliches jrpgs aren’t known for stellar writing, star ocean tried to differentiate itself by having sci fi for its story but phantasy star did that already, the FFX hardly did anything note worthy and so did X-2, if anything in my opinion out of all the FF FF6 has the best story out of all of them followed by FF5, tactics ogre stood out too for idk was it parallelism(?) of real events of yugoslav war and bosnian genocide. jrpg cliche religious organization are always usually bad, another one is big bad hiding behind a powerful organization manipulating to start a war, another noteworthy game is megami tensei, and it’s successor shin megami tensei, though this one uses the themes of religion, free will, choice, and anarchy/chaos for its story but it’s really good
I guess we’ll agree to disagree. Makes me wonder why you continue to by products you dont like though
to understand my tastes in gaming more, like how will I know if I don’t like a game first if I’m not well experienced in my own tastes in gaming, and if it turns out my initial impression about the game is wrong I would note that and add it up to my experience
Well you should be glad then. Cause Three Houses looks like its gonna be quite Persona like with your time management. Which is boring and esoteric unlike the story and battle part of it.
Couple of things. First, the hand reaching for Dimitri definitely has a black glove, meaning it likely is Clause’s. Second, if Nemesis has been sealed away and isn’t dead, what of Seiros? Perhaps she too could be alive in some form, and Rhea does look almost exactly like her. What’s to say she isn’t masquerading as her own descendant to control the Church?
There is a surprising amount of animation during the dialogue parts. This is gonna be amazing.
“… 20th June, 2018”. That’s all, I just wanted to point out that mistake. Thanks for keeping us all updated.
Thanks! I saw that after I posted it, ahaha.
Yooo auto repair? Maybe Byleth can use HP to restore it, which is part of what makes their power so unique? That’s cool. I’m unnaturally excited for the warlock class, I love that name. If I had to guess, I’d say Paladin extra skill is the carryover Canto and Bishops get a carryover Double usage of heal. Thanks for all your hard work!
So General is pretty much getting a name change. I hope the localization actually keeps Phalanx.
They have at times disregarded new names in favor of old ones (like changing Trueblade to Swordmaster and Bowman to Archer in Fates). I hope that doesn’t happen.
Depends cause like True Blade in the Tellius games was the third tier class. As for Archer there’s no reason to not keep it archer. The Japanese version used a different name because i assume it conveys it’s a Japanese archer. That woukd’ve been lost to English speakers. While Samurai are well known so they kept that for Myrmidon.
we dont have Summer Ryoma yet, and Chrom & Lucina are already missing!
Right looks like Gunnthrá with that flower.
Left…Hawkeye, Dorcas?
It would have been nice if we had a an hero overclasse arch-hero
I already have this one, but nice to see it get released again.
nintendo everything uploaded this.
https://nintendoeverything.com/scans-roundup-trials-of-mana-oninaki-fire-emblem-three-houses-more/nggallery/page/
Thanks for the article! July is so far away..
So two more male only classes, but none for females. What the hell, why are there exclusive classes in the first place?
The Hero class is probably only exsclusive in name (like the Butler and Maid from fates) maybe there is a Heroine class, with some minor alteration (like more speed and less health)
Pegasus Knights are locked to female units
Are both flier classes available early game?
I know, hence I wrote “why are there exclusive classes in the first case?”
“but none for females” Research be hard! At this point, at this point, people are just fishing for reasons to be angry! Even if it means making up shit so they can say they are upset…..
Is there a way for female characters to get Swordfaire since you know no access to Hero class?
I would say it will be like what Boser said. Just a different name with small stat differences. I don’t see them not giving swordfaire.
So likely a 2nd tier Class? Poor female Byleth though, at least Edelgard has her Axe.
Well, there is no female only class in this update, isn’t there? Also in Fates they had no class restriction at all and we could use male Pegasus Knights, but now they’re going away from that again.
Imho there should either be no class restriction or at least male and female units should have access to the same number of classes and should at least cover all archetypes.
Right now it just looks like male units have plain more options available.
We don’t know that yet. And, anyway, the only classes that actually matter are the fifth tier classes, of which we don’t know any yet.
Ur acting like IS has to tell u everything in one day! Other wise they are some evil monster….
“Imho there should either be no class restriction or at least male and female units should have access to the same number of classes and should at least cover all archetypes.”
Game is not even out yet! ur acting like what we know right now! Is 100% of the game, or that nothing extra will be in the game or shown at a later date! U sound like a spoiled child…
Trade off for females having more same sex supports (if the leaks are 100% about this as well)?
i hope we’ll get to glance more of the post-time skip designs before the game releases! i put down my preorder on monday finally. can’t wait!
So Anna’s going back to her Secret Shop profession. Curious.
I don’t mind gender-locked classes, though females really deserve more.
I really wish IntSys would stop making the villains look so over-the-top evil to the point where it’s comical. I know the series never really had nuance and sublety in that regard, but still…
Also, kinda weird that Byleth hasn’t changed at all in these 5 years (except for getting mint green colored hair I guess), but maybe there is some sort of justification for this.
But other than that, I’m really excited for this game. The class costumes continue to look great, specially the ones for the female mages.
I think Byleth’s appearance not changing, sans the hair, might have something to do with Sothis. This is just a guess of course since we really don’t know for certain.
I honestly not don’t mind the obviously-evil designs so long as they at least look nice, which these do.
They at least look cool, compared to someone like Validar in which even his design is dumb.
it’ll be some kind of, hes a dragon/ chosen being and thus ages slowly nonsence. or just younger charicters changing more than older ones (more space to grow) cos it seem Felix (older looking charicter pre time skip) hasnt changed much while Bernedeta has at least brought a hair straitener
Rather than that, I think Byleth is stuck in time with Sothis for those five years. It would explain why there even is a time skip in the first place and it would also explain why they still look the same.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
I am kinda impressed you translated and uploaded the info so fast. Thanks.
Looks like Anna’s not playable this time. Sucks for her fans that want her to be playable but nothing can be done about it. I’m honestly neutral to the idea of her being playable since in a way she’s like Fire Emblem’s version of the anime Pokemon’s Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny (anyone whose watched Pokemon will know what I mean).
Why would she not be playable? Just because one Anna is setting up a secret store, doesn’t mean that another Anna can’t join you.
Well aside from seeing her as the Secret Shop keeper, theres no other info pointing to her or one of her many “sisters” being playable. I mean its possible she’ll be playable during the War Phase but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
There’s also… DLC.
True. It wouldn’t surprise me if IS went that route again for her, they did that in Fates and they’d likely do it again here.
I’m happy with this, as she was only a character in her own right in FE1. She certainly wasn’t some forced Nurse Joy merchant family before Awakening.
A slight correction in that there’s no character with the crest of Macuil revealed so far.
Thanks, should be fixed now.
Who would b unrecruitable from Claudes house? I can see at least one from each house besides the lord’s but none for Claude
Probably Lorenz seems to be Clauds “advisor” maybe arrogant but loyal?
Lorenz has already been shown to be recruitable.
If Claude has a retainer of sorts that can’t be recruited, it’ll likely be Hilda.
Hmm I guess she would have to fit the bill. My first thought was Lorenz as well but then we saw the footage of his recruitment requirements. If not Hilda then maybe Lystheia or Marianne but they seem unlikely.
Maybe all charicters can be recruted as students but only some of those will remain by Bylith after the time skip depending on their loyalty to either side.
(same Boser just found my old account)
Just saw an comment on gamefaqs posted by Thanibomb (or however its spelt) saying Hilda is Claudes retainer. Tho I’m not saying its 100% true yet, it seems we were on the right course with our assumptions
I really wonder what is the number limit for recruiting students from other houses. There has to be a limit of some sort otherwise you’d just recruit nearly every student from the other houses, negating the point of even choosing one to begin with.
Well it’s limited by stats from what we’ve heard so that might be limiting enough depending on the stat requirements to recruit. Most people will want to focus their characters somewhat
Even if you don’t focus on a few specific stats and try to get everything, I highly doubt that these stats will be nearly enough to recruite even half of the students of the other houses. I would also assume that some event to to recruite them will cost you part of your stroll gauge, which would be a limiting factor as well.
I’m guessing it would be hard to recruit them on hard mode with the time limit ticking.
I would think 8 max, based on the fact that your classroom can accommodate 16 students (and maybe more if you let some die)
Interesting that (so far) all of the Elite crests/descendants are in the Lions and Deer, while the Saint crests are in the Eagles.
Which house does Igrid belong to?
Blue Lions
Thank you Vincent for your amazing work! Where would this fandom be without you?!
In the darkest pits of the Heroes sub.
Decided on a coin flip to go for Laegjarn and 200 orbs later I got her after 3 pity breakers. The stupid thing is I’m missing a few of 5 star exclusive blues and all 3 of my pity breakers were Fallen Berkut which I already had. No Silkie, Ylgr, Sumia which I don’t have or any useful fodder. Sorry to complain just needed to vent abit due to the ridiculousness of the situation.
Might be wrong about this since I can’t read Japanese, but I’ve noticed that that, as far as I can recall, we’ve only seen the Hero class in relation to Byleth. Are we sure it’s male only? Is it possible it’s actually Byleth only, like how in Radiant Dawn it was an Ike exclusive class?
Just want some undeniable confirmation here since it seems like such a odd step.
Thanks again for another great article.
I am so tempted to open up silhouettes.. A month to go..
Okay, I opened the silhouettes and…
That Lorentz glow-up is legit great. Mah boi looking like a snack.
i think the dark part of time-skip Lysithea’s hair is just a headdress, something like Ninian’s (feh design) etc!
I knew Hilda was going to have a single ponytail in the timeskip
Thanks once more for the update. I really do hope they make the targetting symbols for your characters optional (so you can turn it on/off in the options). It makes the AI even more exploitable and I’d like to be able to add a bit more of a challenge by not having it there. The aggro lines are a great addition though, since you don’t have to keep track of individual enemy ranges – might even play without a danger zone, just with the lines instead.
Where is the miniature mine gold? I don’t see it in the video
the eurospain video also showed another named character when it was showing the map, in the knight office/hall? the one where jeralt is, and is named rodrigue, I’m not sure if that’s a new character
You have a good eye! Yup, Rodrigue is known, although we don’t know anything about him right now.
Alright. I think this is about the point where I’m going to stop reading. Thanks for all the coverage.
Right with you there.
I feel like the more news I see about the game, the less interested I become in it …
I’ts not like I hate leaks or something like that but idk …
I wish they would do something other than swimsuits for Summer seasonals…
The Danger indicators with hit/damage values pre-calculated is simply fantastic! One of the best aspect of the Fire Emblem games in my opinion is that you could actually calculate how much damage you might take, combined with the enemies exact attack range. Having the game pre-calculate that for you is even better and allow you to make an informed strategy. Very, very good innovation in my opinion!
That blue clear file… Edelgard, Blue is not your color, are you changing your house xD?
I think it’s actually supposed to be the sort of neutral purple used for the game’s logo (when it’s not white).
Some hopes/ thoughts on the war phase. I hope the actual war between the 3 plays out in prologues. That would give you more freedom with who to attack and when without compromising the main story.
Another thought, I’m curious how the supports between Byleth and people will play ou . From what I can see Byleth is standard silent protagonists where people just talk for u and u pick dialogue options at appropriate points. Maybe itll b like Personas social links where u learn more about that character and say encouraging things.
Are you sure it says that the Death Knight and Flame Emperor are part of the Nightcrawlers? I’m asking because in the map where you fight the Death Knight the enemies faction is listed as “Flame Emperor” rather than “Nightcrawlers”.
Good question, although I was scared you read the whole thing already XD
Yeah, you’re right. They’re from a different group. Will fix that ASAP.
Does it explicitly say they’re from a different group or are they just not mentioned at all?
Yeah, it says they’re separate from the Nightcrawlers. I kind of skim-read that part originally.
“Last time, we introduced the Flame Emperor and Death Knight, but we’ve discovered another mysterious force separate from them called the “Nightcrawlers!”
The chance of those two being “secretly misunderstood good guys” is much higher now.
GOOOD stuff guys thanks for sharing <3
Petra has a Strength in Bows, not Fighting.
Thanks, I should have zoomed in a bit more, haha.
“Okay, that was a really fun tea party, Ingrid. Now let me take out my magnifier and examine you very close for, uhhhhhh, scientific purposes!”
I’m curious what the “Mission Assistance” option is. Maybe you can use students in ur army temporarily before recruiting them fully?
I have a feeling it might be that. Maybe they’ll talk about it next time.
I hope so. It’s strange we havent heard about it yet
Actually, the “Scout” option is greyed out when talking to Raphael, so it seems like that isn’t an option with him.
I can sort of see it, but we know Raphael and Ignatz can be recruited from Treehouse Live. I think if the option was unavailable, the colour would be a lot more obvious (or the option would be completely absent).
Thanks for chronicling all of this information. Really liking everything about the game at this point *apart from* the absolutely baffling decision to make Hero male-only; extra strange since both Byleths have been shown as primarily progressing through the Mercenary class. One hopes the final selection of classes will make up for this shortfall on the female end in some way.
The new system of retaining durability but not actually losing the weapon sounds like a good balancing factor, so I look forward to seeing how the game plays with that in mind.
That system is actually from the SNES games. Kinda cool that they brought it back.
Thanks for sharing. These articles are what kept me going until release date.
Is there any information how many students you can poach from others houses? It would be funny if Byleth can steal them all.
Edelgard : Charge! Wait a minute, where’s everyone?
For every house there will only be certain students you can get not all furthermore because of the different conditions as well as the limited time you won’t be able to recruit many. Three or four I guess maybe even five.
When was it ever officially mentioned that you can only recruite certain students? As far as I know, anyone but the house leaders is fair game.
It was mentioned in one of the previous articles that certain students besides the leaders can’t be recruited.
Kinda make sense. Some of the students have way too deep connection with the house leader, so making them betray their leaders wont be possible
You mentioned that Bernadetta has Strengths in Bows, Lances, and Heavy Armor, but Weaknesses in Swords, Axes, and Fighting. I don’t see the star symbols indicating a Hidden Talent, so does she not have any? Or did they already unlock it?
I can’t check right now, but it could be in Riding or Flying. I don’t remember if they scrolled her list all the way down.
I think it is in Riding, because I remember when there was the video of the flying practice with Edelgard and Bernadetta, Bernadetta was average with Flying.
If I remember correctly, Bernadetta had a neutral level in Flying, as we saw her get a decent boost in it during a clip with her and Edelgard practicing Flying Training, so maybe her hidden talent is in Riding?
Typically when a hidden talent is unlocked, that’s displayed by the three stars being filled in. So I’d say she doesn’t have any.
I LOVE Hilda’s design. And yay for Anna coming back, she was sorely missed in Echoes.
That moment when you understand everything in Japanese and you only come here to see what people think of the new stuff lol …
that dimitri’s question box, that’s some huge baggage he has, might even be a result of a traumatic event
Well, he IS from Faerghus, a canonically cold place
and he’s suggesting to instate a new emperor, and he’s the what was it prince of the faerghus kingdom? i haven’t read much medieval setting novels but wouldn’t that suggest going to war and supporting someone who has a right to the throne and instating that someone to replace the current ruling emperor?
or if that correct choice is to be believed then him usurping that throne?
You have it mixed up. That is Ferdinand’s box and he is most likely joking.
oh my bad then
That’s Ferdinand’s advice box. Dimitri’s about him not handling the heat
Wow, that Cronje holding the dagger screenshot is awful! I know her arm is supposed to be foreshortened, but her black gloves have no distinguishing features that would help show/portray that. The pose instead makes her arm look really short!
fuck male only classes man
Thanks for the constant stream of information! Are you planning on including a section about what requirements students have for Byleth in order to be recruited away from their house? Or perhaps add that on to their character page. Like: to be recruited, so and so requires _____ and _____. Would be great to keep up with it all.
What’s the point of making Hero and Dark Mage male-only? I also wish they made Pegasus Knight gender neutral again. These gender differences make no sense to me.
Oh no, Being Inc. Youtubers beware, they LOVE muting videos with their music. Anyone planning on LP-ing 3 Hourses might want to mute parts of the game that have the full lyrical theme.
Fufu~ 20 Orbs on each banner, one with Summer Innes & one with Sigurd!
Maybe next year you will come home Summer Tana!
Why does Empress Edelgard have high heels? How can you possibly swing an axe in those?
How can she even use an axe with her frail arms?? This is fantasy, dont ask question, lol.
Last summer it took me over 400 orbs to get Tana, and this time it only took around 160. I also got a Flannel as a bonus so I can’t complain really. Now her -atk is gone too which is nice.
holy molly quite a lot was right
Did you forget Sigurd can use lances (I understand you probably meant Eph was the first lord to specialize in lances, but maybe reword that…)
Yeah, I couldn’t think of a better way to word it, haha.
I’m hoping that Lysithea’s death doesn’t happen in all of the paths. Also I was unaware of the info about Marianne’s crest, very interesting.
I’m pretty sure Lysithea’s death was stated to happen before the end of the timeskip. so unless there’s some kind twist where her corpse is being possessed by someone I think this is the one major part that can be classified as “Seemingly False”. Also, Seteth hasn’t been confirmed as a Wyvern Rider yet. Also, the leak called Byleth’s crest “The Crest of Creation” rather tha n”The Crest of Flames”, so I guess that’s also wrong though it’s a pretty minor detail. “The Thunder” doesn’t seem to be Catherine’s nickname but rather the name of her sword in Japanese.
Lysithea was only mentioned to have 5 years left to live. For all we know she can be an Arran, or die sometime after the timeskip.
The Crest of Creation seems to be the Fire Emblem of the game, so it would make sense as to why it would have multiple names (see: Lehran’s Medallion).
Seteth is shown to b a wyvern rider in the E3 playthrough. The player briefly looks at the people when picking who to eat soth and its shown Seteth is a level 9 Wyvern Rider at that point. Super low level so I’m not sure what that means exactly
The information she got could’ve been earlier on in development so a lot of little name changes like Byleths crest is pretty irrelevant. You can also tie Lysitheas death to how you can save Kaze in Birthright, just requiring prerequisites like a side mission to save her dying body.
Edelgard getting two paths? Would show way too much favoritism if this is the case, especially if she gets the neutral path.
To be honest, it can kind of make sense given Adrasteia is closely associated with the Church of Seiros. But yeah, the fact that that path is associated with the lone female protagonist doesn’t paint the best picture.
Indeed. I personally think Claude, given his personality, would be far more likely to favor a neutral path and would reach out to the others.
I was thinking the same thing, the trailers give the impression that Adrestia is completely all for the church, whilst Fhaergus is the total opposite. Obviously the game isn’t gonna be so black and white about it ( and possibly have Edelgarde ultimately renounce the church or something like that), but the Leicester Alliance seems the most fitting for an extra “neutral” path.
Wait… letting the lone female protagonist get 2 paths is problematic but letting a male protagonist get 2 wouldn’t be? Don’t you realize how blatantly sexist that is?
Why not?
Because Edelgard getting two routes with the other two getting just one kind of reeks of “waifu pandering” as some would put it
Considering female lords always seem to get the short end of the stick in every iteration of FE so far it’s about time we get a female lord that is actually more important than her male counterparts.
Alm takes Celica’s spotlight in 2/15, both Eliwood and Hector overtake Lyn in 7, Ike takes Micaiah’s in 10, etc.
Lyn’s spotlight is specifically the early Prologue Chapters, which Eliwood has only a secondary part in and Hector has maybe two lines total for. If you mean Lyn was shafted because she didn’t also get her own unique path after being the main character for the entire section meant to teach new players the basics of FE, that’s a slightly different matter.
Lyn’s spotlight is ONLY in the tutorial. She’s barely a secondary character in the rest of the game (the important parts).
That’s a bit of an exaggeration. She was present in nearly every cutscene and had a speaking presence throughout both parts.
Then again, the main themes is also named after her and she has seen the most attention of the 3 so far, with how she’s narrated some trailers
I intitally thought it was favoritism for the “canon” route, but after talking to a friend they made me realize that it makes sense assuming she’s a zealot. The second route would be convincing her to stop or bailing from her extremism. Of course this is all just speculation but it warmed me up to it a little. I still dont like it but it makes more sense.
Also, she might be the one most motivated to investigate the Church of Seiros, considering the close connection between it and the Empire, so one route may be that and the other may be a more conventional war. Even then, she doesn’t seem like one for much compromise…
As for the idea of female Lords being overshadowed, that’s true, but I feel parity is the better solution than opposite weightage. Besides, in Celica’s case, she had her own spotlight right to the end, and it was only working together that ended Duma, even if Alm struck the final blow.
Yeah I’d like if each character could unlock the neutral path but that it”d require a set of specific prerequisites that you have to jump a couple of loops over.
Dimitri’s should be the hardest to unlock, given what we know, if this situation were to pass.
Edelgard’s other path is probably a secret ending or some sort, possibly a true ending, that would have requirements to unlock it (maybe finish all three paths?) since a fourth path isn’t mentioned anywhere in official sources. Also tbh I don’t rly mind with Edelgard being marketed as the “main lord” since female lords are usually overshadowed by their male counterparts, but I hope this doesn’t harm Dimitri’s and Claude’s story in any way. They don’t have to share spotlight story-wise, but I hope Intsys doesn’t neglect the other two’s storyline just because they’re not “canon”.
I would prefer all three getting such secret paths, but I get your point.
I wouldn’t really say its favoritism, she’s more the “poster child” than the other two so at least in my mind it makes sense. Plus it probably makes more sense actually in the story if this is true.
I see a lot of it as fake. I feel this article was too generous. There is information that has been blatantly wrong like the crest and character backgrounds, but this makes it sound like the whole thing is genuine. You also didn’t mention how the “leaker” themselves claimed at least some of the information was indeed false.
“Given the huge amount of info, it’s not unreasonable that she remembered wrong.” .. yeah or you know, we could remain skeptical until parts are directly confirmed. P.s. no girls on the internet.
What has been blatantly wrong?
Thanibomb is definitely a girl. We know this.
I don’t know of any character backgrounds that have been wrong except for the Cyril-Alois mixup.
I’ll give you thani did say she embellished some of it. However, a fair amount of what she’s said ended up being true or mostly true. Do I believe it’s 100% true? God no, but, again, a lot of “out there” information such as the time skip have given her credibility which is why Vincent made this post.
Nothing outright has been blatantly wrong lol
While games are still in development, a lot can still be altered
You can think what you want its your opinion, but the facts are out there..there’s only a bit that isn’t unconfirmed and just little blunders here and there.
I hope there are more male gay romance options (like hopefully felix)
Ashe for me here he is cute, but i hope for something more like after the school you know teacherXstudent is a really idk how to say it…..ugh taboo for me, and the last thing is MARIANNE BEST WAIFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its been confirmed that you can only s rank after the 5 year timeskip
No gay guys in Blue Lions.
https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/battle-modal2-img02.jpg
If you look at this screen shot you can see that M!Byleth can only S rank girls.
Go play a game designed with this in mind then.
Maybe this will be such a game
This is Fire Emblem. Not a dating sim. Any romance implementation is going to be weak regardless of what they do, since it’s not organically implemented like in FE4.
Why are you arguing then? Whats your point? Is it that no one can have fun with something if you dont like it?
I understand the whole “fire emblem has become too waifu” shtick, but since it’s evident that romance is here to stay in the newer games in the franchise they might as well add some varied same gender romance options for a portion of the fanbase that wants it. (Note that I’m not saying all of them should be romanceable by the same sex, since characters like Sylvain and Lorenz for instance have traits that would conflict with that sort of thing).
Don’t bother. This guy is clearly homophobic, probably still in the closet, and will latch on to anything that will justify his never ending need to opress gay folks.
I don’t think that’s the case considering their most recent comment, but they most certainly should have elaborated more on what they actually thought from the beginning. I can’t say the same for fritz freak though, that one clearly just doesn’t like anything remotely gay or in their words: “weird”.
Why don’t you say that to all the straights who will get to play this game and have tons of romance option at the same time?
Trust me, I do. Ever since Awakening showed how that particular system was poorly integrated into the plot and gameplay I’ve stood in stark contrast to it. It wasn’t my intention to come across as against homosexual romance options in particular; I hate the romance aspect as a whole.
I can somewhat understand that, since both fates and awakening did a poor job in that aspect. I’ve always thought that the format of C-S for romantic supports was insufficient considering that the majority of characters get very little screen time. I think that next time you should lead with the other one of your comments that I replied to so you can avoid any misunderstandings like this. But hey, at least I think we can both agree on one thing: THANK HECK FOR NO POORLY IMPLEMENTED SECOND GEN CHARACTERS. No more baby realms for us.
>It wasn’t my intention to come across as against homosexual romance options in particular
Yes it was. And the fact that you say “homosexual” instead of gay tells me that you have a heavy bias against LGBT folks.
A bit odd to respond to a two week old chain of comments, but okay. There’s no need to put so much fucking vitriol in your responses even after I’ve explained my reasoning. And then you have the balls to correct me without even knowing me personally? Piss off.
As for homosexual vs. gay, I am not an avid follower of the semantic differences within topics I have no interest in. You know what I meant and the fact that you only picked out that specific part of my message tells me you only want to start beef and nothing else.
How about you go fuck yourself?
My boy Claude will be my choice ! I just can’t get enough of him and since archers are one of my fav class in FE makes this a 100% guarantee heh .
Don’t be homophobic.
Still a weirdo to me
Ok then have fun being a homophobe
Such a sad life you must lead, finding joy in oppressing other people. Hopefully, it all ends soon.
Umm … Definitely still a weirdo yeah…
you are by far the biggest piece of shit known to man
thank you, anything else?
Okay so can someone tell me who Cyril and Tomas are? I know who Flayn is but I haven’t seen anything about the other two.
Cyril is Claude’s “little brother” and Tomas is the old dude in the most recent Famitsu scan.
Thanks, do you know where I can look to find pictures of them?
You can find them in the bottom of the characters page in our Three Houses section. There aren’t any better images of them right now.
Thank you!
To my surprise I did got Julia for the Free Summon. She’s got bad IVs but whatever. I am super casual at this game.
I really hope the female same sex supports don’t outweigh the male same sex supports…
Yeahh they should really have an equal amount. 2-3 each sounds nice. I really hope Dorothea and Edelgard can be same-sexed supported though!
A little disappointed by the presence of paid DLC, but hey, that’s how it is.
Not interested in the costumes but the other two DLCs have my interest. Heres hoping they aren’t outrageously expensive like SoV’s were. Hopefully they’ll be like $5 U.S.D. (technically its $4.99 but I like to round it up to the nearest dollar). Still, its true that its no surprise that they had DLC in the works even if its nothing too impressive.
All DLC since Awakening has been despicable. Nowadays FE only exists because of how easy it is to churn out each entry and then milk them with horrible DLC practices. That’s the real reason Nintendo pushes the series so hard.
Yeah I’m not holding my breath on the DLC being cheap. But a guy can dream right?
cope and seething
if it aint worst like echoes. im fine with it
I won’t deny that Echoes’ DLC price was outrageous (I think its like $49.99 U.S.D which probably makes it even pricier in other countries), but I’m still not gonna hold my breath that TH’s DLC price(s) are gonna be any better. Game companies these days are so damn greedy it isn’t even funny, be it pricing base game or the DLC or even both.
not all game companies.
I’m extremely cautious since this game is being co developed by Koei Tecmo, a company notorious for their outrageous dlc practices (look at Dead or Alive for example, 1,000 dollars of dlc right there).
even if it is. if the base game is good. i dont really care. IS and nintendo wouldnt make it worst.. right? we’ll see
The existence of paid DLC isn’t really a surprise. I just hope they do it tastefully this time.
Lol the hate down here looking foward to it very excited!
I’ts not hate buddy . These are facts, especially when it comes to talking about the dlc in this series …
News flash opinions aren’t facts…..the fact you were triggered to reply yeah it was hating…
Get on my level pleb !
Okay, so according to Nintendo’s website the Switch does have pre-loading. Wonder if this game will be released that way? Maybe closer to the release date.
Inb4 Anna is the one who runs the Paid DLC business like she did in Awakening/Fates.
i wonder if there’s gonna be a dlc like revelations in fates that ties all 3 armies together in a single route
There is not. We can confirm that there are no DLC paths.
aw man that’s quite sad to hear tbh, not that i want more overpriced dlcs but i want a path where all 3 armies can be equally recruited;;
Probably because such a thing would invalidate the other routes, which is what people hated about Fates.
People need to understand that DLCs are fine given that they are just minor additional contents to the game. Contents that are added later into the game, not contents that were supposed to be in the game to begin with, cut out of the game and sold separately. That type DLCs are not okay.
Plus FE is mostly a sp. So who really cares about some additional contents. You want it, buy it. You don’t need it don’t buy it. Simple as that.
DLC stops being fine when when you charge as much as IS does.
As I said, don’t buy it if it is too expensive for you. DLCs are optional, they didn’t cut the game and sell them separately, they are additional contents that you can live without if you can’t afford it. You will be fine
It’s a matter principle, not personal finances.
You’re enabling ridiculous overpicing.
If the DLC is anything like Torna: the Golden Country then I’ll be happy. I hope it’s nothing like SoV lol
I think there might be a FE3H direct next month to give more info about the game for English speaking fans (like the what Famitsu has been doing for the last few weeks in Japan) & to show the DLC.
Oh, another Innes card! Yeaaah! But I wish for the more hard to get new Takumi holo card!
Nice to see Three Houses cards outside of the Lord’s. Bernadetta and Lysthea looking nice.
GOD. That skillset. And Eliwood himself looks amazing. He finally looks like a non-bargain bin version of himself.
Legendaries heroes Alm, Micaiah… and Camilla ( … ) for soon
Finally!
Ooh, this is a good banner. Eliwood finally gets the Legendary alt he deserves so now he can join Hector and Lyn. Theres quite a few characters I’m gonna gun for on this banner, Eliwood obviously is one of them.
Hopefully no one goes bitching about him getting an alt right before his brave self comes out, and if anyone does then I’d like to point them towards Camilla who has WAY more alts than him (he has one, two with this Legendary out tomorrow and then three with his brave self later this year. Whereas she has what is it, 7 going on 8 with her brave alt?).
Eliwood also has the LA version as an armor unit, with this we have 4 on the list!
Thats what I meant by him having one alt, I didn’t count his original self. But yes technically he has 4 alts, original, LA, Legendary and soon Brave. Thats STILL half as many as Camilla’s massive 7 to 8 alts.
Not a bad banner, but I already have most of them.
This is like the best Voting Gauntlet idea since Long Hair vs. Short Hair! (not only because I like Headbands~)
Vote for Mia or Sanaki!
It’s a original theme for a Voting Gauntlet… and I like it.
Went for Sue because still missing her and of course there wasn’t a single Green orb XD
Probably gonna start with Mia and then see what happens.
Just watch, I want him more than anything in the Red section and I won’t get him. Then again, my last pity breaker was Green, so…
Thanks. I’m currently away from my PC so I’ll add a picture later.
In RogersBase’s video at 8:26 Caspar is shown to have a strength in gauntlets.
Great article. Maybe Mission Assistance is the same as hire for assistance. You’d just have them paired up with one of your units. Not bad if it means you can utilize that feature and have a full team as well.
Oh, that’s a good theory. I’ll have to look into that.
I’m so excited for this game. I wish we had a brief demo so I could play it over and over analyzing everything.
Weekend battles being “infinite” on Normal is probably still limited by something though…? Like the activity points you have available? Time in the monastery being limited, hardly seems like weekend battles could be unlimited, but I wonder to what degree…
No, it’s infinite.
Side Battles, Grinding Maps, and Paralogues use a different resource than the Stroll Gauge, the Venture Gauge.
At the start, it appears you have 1 use a weekend.
There’s always a grinding map that is free to use every weekend on Normal Mode that requires no resources, as such you can grind for as much as you want without advancing the week.
I’m okay with this if it’s true! I enjoy over-leveling and customizing characters builds and such. I just didn’t/don’t expect it to be that simple or easy.
There’s an infinite grinding map on Normal, but it’s likely the enemies won’t scale so eventually your exp gain will drop off.
This is the kind of balancing factor I was expecting. This makes a lot of sense, but if it’s true, it does mean that you could grind your units up to the plateau each time before moving on to the next week. Is it possible that it affects the students’ morale/motivation levels, too, so eventually they’re worn out and have debuffs?
It’s hard for me to understand these systems by watching and reading; I usually start a game and either end up having to restart them or finish out with a sub-optimal setup because I can’t follow the “theory.” Thanks for collecting and sharing all of this stuff though! I was unsure about this game for a long time, but keeping up with these updates has brought me around.
Does this mean cooking will return? Because that will definitely make up for the lack of shipping.
Yeah, there are two versions. Cooking your own meal works like the mess hall in Fates. Where you pick ingredients and get a temporary buff.
YES! That’s what I wanted to know. I love the cooking feature in Fates. I’ve already decided I was getting Three houses with or without shipping, but this sweetens the deal. Thanks for telling me.
There still is shipping at least for the Avatar after the timeskip.
True, but there are plenty of games where you decide who the avatar ends up with. Not many games where you decide who multiple characters end up with. Then again, even if I could decide who ends up with who in this game, I haven’t decided who to ship, and I’m sure there would be limitations. I got my shipping fix from fates, I think I’m over shipping in Fire emeblem.
I’m hoping this means Luke will finally make a reappearance, because dude is probably one of the rarest Heroes in the game.
Huh. Rhea’s voiced by Cherami Leigh, which means she’s also the speaker at the end of the E3 trailer (the one who says “I wish this moment would last forever). Interesting!
Are we sure that you can both explore the monastery and go and battle on the same weekend? From what i saw of the treehouse stream after they run out of explore points the weekend automatically ended. So unless I’m mistaken you have to choose if you want to train character levels in battle or train weapon ranks in the monastery each weekend, not both
What you’ve wrote sounds correct to me. That’s pretty much what I wrote as well, unless I made a mistake somewhere.
Note: If you select “battle”, you cannot select “explore” during the same weekend.
This means once you choose to battle, you’re locked out of exploring (and presumably other options). This also implies the reverse. So if you choose to explore, you’re locked out of battling.
Yes! Fallen Delthea in the Grail Shop~
This will be my first time using those grails.
I wish the switch case had either just the crest or had the three main lords of the game. Sothis is not someone I want to be carrying around -.- I hope they release more switch cases >.<
Well, the account I main in FEH now is not connected to my main nintendo one. That hurts :/
I think you can create a new profile on your Nintendo Switch using your current Nintendo Account for FEH. It just means your gold coins will go to that account instead of your main one.
Wow, thats a loooooooong time for the promotion to be available. Longest I’ve ever seen actually. And Byleth’s a infantry sword user, no surprise there to be honest.
I really hope they’ll show some new battles! And maybe give us more info on the post-timeskip part (but not too much)
Thank You IS! I’m actually really glad they did this.
Hello Vincent. Did u see Nintendo of America is finally putting 3 houses stuff on their Twitter? A new video about the black eagles is currently up.
1 Orb.
Corrin, like a Vegan turning up at a Texas ranch barbecue with a single lettuce leaf.
This makes me think of the DLC for Xenoblade 2, and it’ll be interesting to see how it works.
It’s good that there will be free updates as well. So definitely looking forward to the game’s eventual release.
they made f!byleth’s default outfit so atrocious just to sell this DLC
these outfits ARE super cute tho.. love it. i think the “new playable characterS” bit is kinda scummy though. if they just mean like. Anna, thats fine, thats the usual, whatever.. but anybody else and its just super :/ i’d imagine, though, that this refers to characters in the story content…? which i GUESS makes sense. whatever, DLC is DLC, nobody is forcing me to buy it 🙂
My fingers are crossed that ‘new playable characters’ means we get the Cipher OCs again, since a) I need to hear Nieve’s English voice, and b) they’re characters that have no serious connection(hopefully) to the main storyline itself, which would mean that it wouldn’t feel like we NEED to buy the extra characters, since they’re just the Cipher OCs, but it would still be cool for those of us who do appreciate those characters, like myself.
The fact that they’ve announced the DLC before the game’s even out has me just a little concerned that the DLC 4th wave will be to add in story and characters that should’ve been in the main game. Remember how SoV relied on a set of DLC to flesh out Ferdinand as a character?
I really hope that these waves of DLC are just add-ons to an already complete game.
I think there may be confusion between the combat arts 誘引の計 (Lure) and 引込の計 (likely ‘Assembly’ that Ingrid with the Seiros Pegasus Co. battalion had, noting that 引込の計 was attributed to セイロス天馬兵団). Also the combat art 共鳴魔法 : 白 has shown to be rendered ‘Resonant White Magic’ in NoA footages of the game.
Thanks! Doh, I had those two Gambits mixed up as early as 15th May. Now it makes a LOT more sense. They have a very similar meaning and spelling, so I didn’t even notice.
It appears ability and art progression can differ depending on the character. We saw some characters gain different arts when reaching C Axe, I believe. That said, I think from the way they cut the footage, we don’t actually know what ranks they had when they learned those abilities/arts. That’s because Dimitri doesn’t rank up in Lance, yet still gains an art anyway.
I’ll add a note about that.
Don’t read this if you haven’t rested yet, get some rest then you can read if you decide to.
After seeing the second commercial I’m even more concerned than I already was about Dimitri. And with Rhea falling in that scene maybe they’ll pull an Emmeryn to reveal that she’s alive and playable although not without a few injuries of course or maybe she’s one of the dlc characters in the 4th wave of the expansion pass. Jokes aside, when watched the scene with male Byleth and Edelgard fighting I’m getting the vibe that their holding back or just sparring with each other since Edelgard isn’t using her axe and Byleth’s sword isn’t glowing and he doesn’t have it in any specific form plus they both did kinda stop their swords after swinging them at each other’s necks (but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re not not trying to kill each other though, just thought that I’d put it out there). Also looking at the new classes shown the advanced tier I’m assuming the classes in the final tier (that’s what I’m assuming what the next tier will be) will require high professor skills such as S-rank weapons proficiencies and depending on which one high riding, armor, and flying. I’m thinking some if at all may require S-rank, but I don’t think all of them will since some of the advanced classes require a B-rank for some of the movement skills to have a better success rate of passing and I’m thinking the other class that looks like a dark mage might be akin to the Summoner class in Sacred Stones. Sorry for my rambling especially so early in the morning, it’s 2 am for me now so please excuse any grammar mistakes. Also Happy 4th of July (if you celebrate it).
I too agree that dueling scene was probably a sparring rather than actual combat. There is no crest stone in the sword, and no soldiers or other lords were present. (unless Byleth decided to face Edelgard alone in some abandoned place); There is no sign of other combat, and their clothes were very clean; Byleth’s hair still has some green in it, so it’s likely way before he fought Nemesis.
All in all, this scene looks like to me happened fairly early maybe just after timeskip. Unless you were supposedly to face Edelgard early on…
Either it’s a scene or something similar that might happen with all the lords or just with Edelgard because of the plot. It also makes me think that if it’s only Edelgard because of plot reasons (even if you pick the Black Eagles) there may be a chance that all the students might meet up with each other before they declare war on each other, just maybe.
Well, the whole “Who will stand with you, who will cross swords with you?” and all this other stuff lends credence to the notion that we’ll be fighting and killing the other two houses during the war phase.
in one of the screenshots, alois is a green unit, so is he playable or just a npc green unit?
Good eye. He’s probably a NPC to start with and might join you later like Catherine. But we don’t know right now.
My guess about Sword in the flame is this: When Seiros defeated Nemesis, his sword was dropped to the ground. Some soldiers tried to pick it up but died in the explosion (as some kind self defense against people without right crests). Seiros walked through the fire and recovered it. (since she’s likely a dragon and can survive the fire). Resulting the scene from E3 2018 where she hold the sword in her hand with burns marks.
She was later “buried” with the sword,(I doubt she really dies as previous game play footage suggested) then Byleth gets the sword in CM2 (the background looks like a coffin).
I like that theory! I thought her marks were from the battle, but it also makes sense if they came from the fire.
I wonder if we will actually meet Seiros in the game, and if the white dragon is Seiros or the goddess. I doubt she’s would be enemy to Byleth, since she left the sword for him when she was awaken.
Still I don’t have much interest in new outfits, cosmetics DLC or summer festivalish maps and swimsuits, I must admit they got me in the “brand new story” part.
Maybe we can imagine a fourth story branch/house? With 8 new characters, a new lord and everything? Or a new group of mercenary, you could choose instead of the nobility? Kind of a “neutral way” like in Fates’s Revelation. It could be nice to re-hype the game after nearly one year. Or anything. Still it seems to be new story, it should be interesting. In some ways.
PS: The DLC on New Years Eve will be about some festival of Winter, with Santa Claus outfit and everything. Like Fates/Awakening before. Not for me! XD
Hello, information from Nintendo jp official site. you can use the DLC costume mentioned above in church freely. But if you want to use it in battle, you have to be a commoner as in class.
So if a buy the seasons of warfare do i get the expansion for free?
Nope.
So they’re separate things? dammit.
This is why I hate those limited editions: you still have to pay for the DLCs. And one released at day 1… I find that insulting. Well, the only DLC I have ever purchased is the Xenoblade 2 one (so much content), so I can live without them.
Maybe this is just me but, the scene where Claude is flying through the air. Does it look like he’s holding a sword rather than the bow he’s usually seen with? Its really hard to tell honestly and it could be his bow that he’s charging and attack for but looking at a larger version of the screenshot, the ball part looks like its from a sword as I don’t remember seeing that on his bow. I could still be wrong of course and it could still be his bow.
Yeah, I think it might be a sword. Near the end, you can also see a glimmer from a sharp edge. Could also be an arrow or lance tip, but from that angle, hmm…
Well some have speculated on GameFAQ that it could be an axe. Its anyone’s guess really.
The expansion pass logo. A wolf… devouring the world? (the “Blaidd” element of “Blaiddyd” refers to wolves…)
:thinking:
I’m kinda split. While I have nothing against costumes, I’m more concerned about new story content and new characters. I seriously hope Nintendo doesn’t hype everybody up with “your choices will decide their fates”, only to release a Revelations 2.0 a la Three Houses https://media2.giphy.com/media/jy1N2vXOQGakg/giphy.gif
the leaks mentioned 4 routes in the development and thus far we only know of 3…I imagine that 4th route will be the new story content (unless we get a 5th which is very unlikely). I am more concerned that the route is actually good both for the story and characters as well as the gameplay..
The one thing to take into account however is that if the additional content is coming so late in the year/beginning of next year perhaps we will have a XC2 type of situation with the pass actually being worth it and the time in between release being necessary to actually work on it. The free updates periodically are also in line with the XC2 situation but hopefully we receive a more polished product and it’s not just them going through and fixing stuff post launch.
Honestly Nintendo has been pretty on top of making sure the expansion passes are worth the cost for most of their properties. The cost is probably reasonable this time around only being about 25 dollars; although releasing 2 costumes as the first wave of content is a bit insulting. I would suggest waiting and seeing if the base game is good before buying the expansion pass though if you’re on the fence.
It was said that there are over 30 classes so there will probably be a fourth class row.
So that would mean that there should be just under 40 classes. In that case I expected them to be classes that specialist in their given skill level. So master riding class or a master axe class.
Exactly, hopefully also a spear master class like in the Tellius series.
Pegasus knights seem to be female only.
I want that expansion pass in Europe Nintendo, goddamn now !
What is this ? Are you favoring other regions of the world again ? ffs
If you count the classes we know of now, were at 30. So hopefully the next tier adds another 10 or so.
I just checked the store and Three Houses is available on EU now!
All those class options and no mounted magic users? Where are my troubadours, mage knights, or dark fliers?
Yeah, quite underwelming. Let’s see if the supposed “master tier” adds some of them… Classes look quite generic and boring right now.
I’m still hoping for “master tier” classes too. It just doesn’t seem like there’s enough classes yet. I want to have Dread Fighters again.
Did anyone else notice how Seiros and Nemesis’s swords during their fight mirror Edelgard and Byleth’s swords at the end of that 9 minute video? History repeats itself.
I suspect the unit people are taking to be Shamir is actually Leonie, as she’s the only Golden Deer otherwise missing. The green healing tile is simply discoloring her hair, making it seem darker.
(That said, with more and more teachers shown to be playable, it seems likely Shamir will be eventually.)
I don’t think there will be another tier. The trailer said “over 30 classes!” and counting all of the ones we know of there’s already 30.
These classes are available at level 20. Imagine playing a Fire Emblem game and never promoting.
Lol, Marth says hi.
this game goes beyond level 20. and why would you not promote your unit? since changing class to previous unlocked class (for that character) are free in case you dont like it
but i guess there are people who like that..
My point is that 20 levels in a fire emblem game isnt a lot. There’s going to be 10 -15 levels after 20, it would be boring to give you all the classes halfway through the game and not ha e a 4th tier
Based on ingame footage it’s likely there is a fourth tier after advanced classes. CHeck out this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/3tTCgji.jpg
You can see there is a scroll bar so there should be a fourth tier below advanced. Also below advanced are still the “divider dots” while above beginner there are none, indication there is still more to come below advanced.
Berserkers better show up. I need my high crit killing machines.
Berserkers are one of my favorite classes, I really hope they’re in this game.
Is weak to magic like low Res or actually weak to magic? If the grids are anything to go by (from my experience they’re usually not trust worthy lol), Wyvern riders seem strong and its a way to balance it out but magic is pretty common, more so than archers I’d say.
Wyvern Riders have always been described to be weak to magic along with archers, save for maybe RD where the Wyvern line are just weak to magic, namely thunder, and not weak to archers. They’re meant to be the opposite of Pegasus Knights in terms of being strong on the physical side of defenses and Pegasus Knights shrugging off magic like its nothing but are rather frail and can be taken out easily with any physical weapon.
Yea I am aware so I’m wondering which is the case.
Balance reasons I’m sure.
I love how CM4 is the “classical” Fire Emblem commercial, with the classical main theme, character introduction, and even the slogan “Stand together, fight together, Fire Emblem” from Radian Dawn commercial.
https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/004-map2.jpg
Could this be a defend map…? The purple tiles look far too near the starting zone to be a goal. It almost seems to me like they’e trying to recreate that one port defence map from Conquest… 😉
Not a fan of gender-locked classes. None of these make even sense, like why are Heroes and Dark Bishops male only?
What I’m a fan of on the other hand are the class designs. Dorothea as an assassin, Edelgard as a Warrior and all the mage classes in general look so sick. Such a colossal improvement over the last few games.
It makes me wonder which classes will be female locked then, cause if there’s none, that just seems ridiculous. Fates still stands as the only FE game to have no gender-locked classes (aside from 2 DLC classes). I suspect it’ll be the usual suspects: Falcoknight and Valkyrie (if those do get confirmed, which I don’t see why not).
Pegasus Knights are female locked already, that’s not really listed here though, since they’re second tier classes, not third.
Maybe galeforce is returning? Or any other powerful skills tied to the pegasus knight line? Their choices for the male-locked are really odd (like come on, Hero??), so it may have ties to game balance or something, idk
uhm that paladin armor is generally super SICK i love it. same with warlock. grappler is so silly and goofy i will probably never use it unless the game makes me; id seriously burst out laughing anytime i see it do anything
>Also, Gauntlets are restricted to foot-based classes
I think that should be reworded to “only be used on foot”, since we know Dismounting returns.
Granted, we do need to see it in action, but I think the original Famitsu wording was that Gauntlets can’t be used while mounted.
So while you can be a Gauntlet-wielding Cavalier, you can’t use your gauntlets while you are on a mount.
I don’t know how I feel about this one guys. First of all, I don’t like that we have so few advanced classes. This could have been the perfect game for a TON of new classes, like where are my Bow knights, Dark knights and even Berserkers? And what is up with gender-locked classes? Why are we going back to that concept? Is Nohr really the only place where females can become Berserkers, or in this case “Grapplers”? Besides that, the designs are pretty good overall. I’m not a fan of the cavaliers in this game, but aside from that, everything looks amazing.
There doesn’t really need to be a Bow Knight class specifically due to how weapons are treated here. You can easily give your Cavaliers/Paladins a bow and it’d be the exact same thing.
Also, there’s likely one more tier of classes, and I’d imagine a magic-using mounted class will be there.
basically you can make bow knight, flying unit with bow, berserker, etc in this game since you can use pretty much any weapon. its just you need certain proficiency in a weapon to promote to certain class. and we are almost certain theres another class tier. maybe some of your example are in the next tier
Dudes, Canto returns?! I’m down.
These Class designs are actually pretty neat, I think I’m liking this more than pretty much all the rest of the 3H stuff so far.
Grappler has higher-than-average movement for a foot class. That’s interesting. I don’t like how they’re going back to giving Archers and Mages crap move though. 4 move mages were really frustrating to use in Echoes. The extra range didn’t really compensate.
Can I be a Bishop or Warlock and still use swords or lances along with magic?
Yes.
I see, that is good. Because in battle, a mage knight should be equipped with more than just magic my friend.
I’m confused, Warlock is the gender-locked class right? Not Dark Bishop?
Warlock is gender-neutral. It’s basically the Sage of this game.
Dark Bishop is obtained from mastering Dark Mage, making it male-only.
Thank you!
Japanese eShop page for Three Houses lists Japanese, English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Korean, and Chinese as the supported languages. Does this mean that the JP release has full multi-language support? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ee47c94c6231090cf0945de95ed88b01847fec4b5b613cc10730cdcbe3a099d.png
its funny at first people complaining about lack of uniqueness because all student can be almost anything. now people are complaining there’s not enough variety in class which only comes from said uniqueness of choosing class freely (not a linear promotion).
are you happy with the mechanic or not?? lol XD
can you also provide the stat chart for the previous tier classes or has that been done already?
Curious… since any class can theoretically use any weapon, is it likely to see the likes of armored mages, troubadours, etc.? Or is magic usage thought to be class exclusive?
Magic is class exclusive. But the theoretical Expert/Master tier might include mounted, flying or even armored mages
I miss daggers and knives
Okay CM2 pretty much confirms that Dimtri is slowly becoming insane before the timeskip because smirk he has is any but warm it’s looks down right evil at that moment. Poor guy. :’) And doesn’t sayoria mean good-bye Japanese if so Eldgarde is saying goodbye teacher. Haha eeeeeh I don’t want her kill or Dimtri or Claude. T-T
Uuuugh give female Byleth some pants good lord
French here!
On the notebook/game menu, for the “convoy” options it says: Entrepôt, wich means Warehouse. So yeah, Convoy.
Bye!
But then again, during gameplay, we see the convoy command on Byleth, and it’s translated as “Convoi”. I don’t think the Convoy has ever been named “Entrepôt” in any french version of any FE, either.
That being said, that’s still likely what it is.
Oh yeah, you’re right! But that make me think of “Inventory” (Inventaire in French). In other words, the Convoy, but not in combat. If I remember well, it’s called Inventory between the chapter, but Convoy when it’s on the avatar. In French, it’s like that.
But yeah, it was never called “Entrepôt” before. I don’t know why this change. But after all…it doesn’t really matter I guess
It also looks like Charm stat increases by having tea with the students. At least it’s one of the methods practically confirmed. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a95417a47010b679413f86eafc206cc23d43f0ac3e50c4766b8cac8eb114a99d.png
Well, the french mission description for the mission about Sylvain’s older brother is a lot more explicit about the goal … From “neutralizing the threat” and “settling the matter” in english to straight out telling us that the church’s been charged with executing brother Gautier
Ouch, that’s pretty harsh. But at the same time, I suspect by stealing the relic, he’s probably undergone an irreversible change…
this suggest that this time the European localization is stright from Japanese than from English maybe? I mean it’s a worldwide release…
oh wow, claude’s concept outfit is.. uh… quite something O’8
I’m getting MAJOR MC Hammer vibes………….Can’t Touch This.
Love the Ogre Battle 64 reference. Another favorite series of mine.
So the pair up system is returning?
not as broken though, they dont join you in battle. Just give boosts.
80 hours per route, sounds good to me.
if 3h goes over well (which im very hype/hoping it will), i wonder if theyll port tellius to switch given how many times theyve referenced it either by name or “last home console fe” o: ? i really hope so bc damn, id be throwing money at that point
Yeah but i tho the tellius saga was the most unpopular saga in japan and almost killed the franchise(but i really like ike and mist damn thats sad).
They just suffered poor sales, mostly due to release platform and date.
I think they have other remakes to do before the Tellius ones. Actually they already did the first, the third and the second game on 3DS. Soooo…it should be the fourth….Genealogy! And this one is really famous and loved, so we can imagine them doing a great work on it…but we don’t really know.
geneology would be amazing honestly, but thinking abt remakes of games like geneology and persona 2 make me REALLY worried given the current obsession with wholesomeness and purity or whatever. like theres a chance itll be good, but im just that One Fear meme of like.. Geneology, But Not Problematic tm eerfh
The devs in charge of SoV mentioned they’d specifically like to do Binding Blade next, so that’s what I’m hoping for, but I could see them picking Genealogy/Thracia.
The Lost Spirits feature reminds me more of the Nier: Automata system, where if you came across another player’s dead body, you could loot them for some of the chips in their system (or have them as a helper), but you couldn’t interact with that player, and you don’t really know who left the corpse there.
Wait. Did I read that last bit wrong, or is the exploration timed? Does that mean I can’t spend hours circling around cats and NPCs before actually interacting with anything? :c
Des français ici ? J’étais à l’event et il me semble avoir compris ça :
On est bien d’accord qu’il a été dit que Fòdlan ferait bien les 2/3 de la superficie de l’Europe et que l’intrigue se concentrerait sur les 3 pays principaux du continent même si des personnages des autres pays alentours seraient présent dans le jeu, non ? Ha et aussi que l’académie aété créé pour protéger les 3 pays en s’alliant pour contrer les attaques de ces autres pays.
Peut être faudrait donner ces petites infos à Serenes Forest si je ne me trompe pas
He says 80+ hrs, but how long did it take him to beat other FE games? Where is the frame of reference for this number? I’ve seen people say Echoes took them nearly 40 hrs to beat when it took me 14 on hard my first playthrough. Hate to be “that guy” but I wouldn’t put too much credence in that 80 hrs number. Most likely will be a 40 hrs playthrough, which is still more than any other game, and this’ll have 3 routes, which is amazing…but 80 sounds overstated.
They also didn’t specify how much of that was spent messing around at the academy/doing sidequests and how much was spent in the main chapters.
So, would you need someone to translate the interview? ’cause I could do it. (It probably won’t be too different from a google translate, but maybe people here would be interested in reading the full thing.)
Hmmm… If amiibos unlock music from older games, they could make at least one per game. Chrom has two and he’s only the main character of Awakening during the first arc (your avatar ends up stealing the spotlight).
Lost spirits will feel like touching them bloodstains.
Hinoka left and…a dragon on the right maybe?
I’m gonna be honest. 80+ hrs is not something I’m excited about. Fates already had a HUGE quantity>quality issue. Unless they learned their lessons from that game, idk if it will all be good or not.
I think it took him 80 hours because he must have done every single quest possible, and maybe spent a lot ot time in the monastery or something. I think it’s safe to say it will take us maybe 30-40 hours.
So I love having the veteran knights and characters on your team. But I’m imaging how Byleth will b training them. Catherine’s great with sword . Now I’m going to teach u how to ride a pegasus.
Gross! You can see what looks to be Nemesis’ optic nerve hanging out of his empty eye socket!
Makes me wonder if there’ll be other zombie enemies. Zombie Seiros?
Personally I have no complaints about 80 hours for one House; 200+ overall. I want to savor this game…if it’s as good as I hope it’ll be ^^() At this point I’m more interested in in the Amiibo Gazebo, Scouting time limits and just the game overall X’D
Why do the Paladins have extremely low speed in this game? Aren’t they supposed to have balanced stats normally?
the concept edelgard is GORGEOUS, what the hell. i imagine they scrapped it because it had too much girly appeal, though, which makes me really sad. something girly doesnt really fit her character that well, so i get it, but still…
OMG the Ursula. She is priority one.
Now this is a summer banner I’ll gladly sink a bunch of orbs into, Lyn’s obvious top priority for me but the other three are good too. I’m not so much surprised by Ursula as I am of Wolt since despite being Rebecca’s kid isn’t all that popular (I think but I pretty sure thats true) plus he’s considered bad in his own game.
WOW. These swimsuit costumes are honestly the worst. I feel SO creepy looking at them, and I’m not even straight. I don’t understand why this is even a thing.
Because the majority of the FE fanbase now consists of lowlife degenerates who lick this shit up like crazy. It’s really sad what happened to this series.
i think that’s quite the sweeping statement to make. why not have fun with the banner, even if the costumes are over the top?
It’s a SWIMSUIT. Have you never been to a beach? Grow up.
Alright, I’ll bite. As a generalized statement, yes, there’s nothing lewd or inappropriate about a swimsuit, but the context here is a war simulation game played on mobile. The intended purpose of the artworks is to be sexualized, that’s not exactly a secret, and the point of the game being on mobile is that you can play it anywhere, including in public. When I made my initial statement I’d just started watching the trailer somewhere out and about with people around. I was embarrassed.
Well, the good news is that you don’t have to use them.
Glad BS!Flora is being added to the game. I used her quite a lot when I played it, plus now all we need is Farina to complete this Peg Knight set.
It’s Fiora, not Flora. 😉
lol names got jumbled abit methinks XD
Eh, while I like the designs, their weapon types are lackluster
Also, why does Lyn have only one sword form and like 3 bow forms?
The only canon lord before Claude to use a bow at all perhaps?
Fiora <3
One of my FE 7 favorites. Finally. Hope her costume isn't too outrageous. This is out of character enough for her already.
I did exchange 9 Delthea´s for grails (my first Exchange unit), because the last one will be from GHB return Quest.
I never got so fast one Unit to +9!
The characters seem to go (from left to right)
Top: Linhardt, Raphael, Felix, Ferdinand, Lorenz, Dedue, Hubert, Claude, Dimitri, Edelgard
Middle: Lysithea, Sylvain ,Caspar, Ignatz?, Ashe, Crest of Flames, F!Byleth, M!Byleth
Bottom: Leonie, Ingrid, Crest of Seiros, Petra, Hilda, Annette, Dorothea, Marianne, Mercedes, Bernadetta?
Player Essence released a new video showing off a little bit more of the gameplay demo. In it Byleth meets his father and the have a rushed conversation about Byleths mother. Also a ring gets showed off that belonged to your mother and Jeralt Hope’s you’ll give it to someone you care about in the future.
Yep, next time I’ll be fixing something I’ll just use Raphael face tape and it’ll hold better than before. It’s a shame there’s no Arden tape. I’ll buy whole supply.
I’d love to have the mug with the characters’ sprites on it.
wow, fire emblem: into the spider-claude looks great, can’t wait
Got Wolt on my 3rd summon and am now at 5.50 percent sniping the blue. Really hope I get her and not a pity breaker.
Also whats that thing about updating Lilina’s artwork I didn’t see any difference but I was probably not looking in the right place.
The outline is more prominent with minor changes to lighting.
Also, the skirt has been made less see-through in the neutral artwork.
Small correction: the bottom-left corner’s image is actually pre-timeskip Dimitri in his Lord outfit, as seen here: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589948586775805952/598135832720834571/Screen_Shot_2019-07-09_at_8.57.59_AM.png
His post-skip cape is considerably bulkier and more detailed.
Thanks! I was half-wondering if it was the same Black Beast battle featured in the Nintendo Direct trailer.
Seems to be! Probably the Gautier mission. Seen both Lord!Edelgard and now Lord!Dimitri there.
https://imgur.com/a/PV1Wu3f
this was on twitter, the famitsu pictures.
“Young Roy, Clarine, Celica, and Bride Sanaki are all reprints of S16 cards with new artwork.”
…You feeling alright, Kirie?
I like the Silent Step skill Assassins get since its a nod to the fact that Assassins are typically shown to be stealthy when going after a target.
I don’t know about anyone else but I’m really excited for the game and really can’t wait for it to come out.
It’s pretty amusing though when they figure they potentially have battalions, which are themselves potentially made up of things like cavaliers and wyvern riders. Good luck sneaking around with all of them.
Sounds a lot like Volke’s Stillness skill in RD…which you generally wanted to remove from him and give to someone else, since he was pretty good at killing things.
I don’t think anyone else can use it, I think its a sort of “personal” skill for him, but its been a while since I’ve played RD so I can’t really remember if you can take Stillness off Volke or not. I agree he’s good at killing stuff but the problem is that he’s frail as fuck and if RNG is being a fickle mistress then you’re more than likely to lose him, especially on the Feral One map where you get him since the Feral Ones are pretty accurate.
You can take it off him. Trust me, I know: I’ve put it on Sanaki before.
Thought so, just couldn’t remember if I’ve taken it off him before or not.
Lol. I doubt this’ll be true but I’m thinking during the War phase of the game, it might be possible to hire a Assassin Battalion (pretty sure you’re somewhat joking even though thats actually somewhat true). That would be kinda cool if you ask me, but again I doubt it’ll actually happen.
Man almost only 2 more weeks to go this ride was definitely crazy!!! 🙂
Thanks for the translation. It’s nice knowing I can always count on you for the latest fe news.
I’m lowkey wish we can decorate personal quarter.
Swordmaster is a poverty hero lol. I mean +10 crit is good and all, but vantage is certainly the better skill.
Based on the grids, they’re a lot more speedy so it’s probably not so bad.
wow, barriers.. thats very tellius of you 8’O im so hyped, man…
Are these all the advanced classes we’re gunna get? No falcon knights? 🙁
Really good information here. About this one point though:
“He pretty much confirmed that most if not all of our characters will be seen from the get go, citing how previous Fire Emblem’s had very disjointed character introductions and didn’t allow for much growth or time to stand out.”
There’s elements of this I don’t exactly agree with. I often find that in FE, the most memorable characters lore-wise are the late-joiners, and most who join early might be solid in gameplay but tend to not be very memorable (FE7 and FE9 are the two main exceptions to me). This is because early-joiners can’t get many plot scenes, as the story has to account for them potentially dying early. Some can even die in their debut chapters. Late-joiners can’t die until they’re playable, so the writers have more freedom to give them screentime and development. Take Caineghis from FE10. Only joins at the start of Endgame, yet he’s been a major player in the story for two whole games up to that point. Now take Edward. Joins in Prologue… barely has any personality. I know RD is a bad example due to lacking supports, but a lot of other early-joiners like Cain, Abel, Draug (pre-Heroes), Bors, etc are also pretty bland. Then there’s Renault. Sure you only have 2 chapters to get his supports, but he has possibly the deepest backstory in the game.
One thing I miss in the newer games is this front-loading of characters gives you less to look forward to. There’s no longer that feeling of wondering if/when someone like Duessel or Jaffar will become an ally. They also lack complex recruitment conditions. I’m not saying I want another Xavier, but I’d like to at least have to put in SOME effort to recruit people, the newer games just tend to hand you everyone without making you really work for them. I still remember how satisfying it felt when I finally figured out how to get Jaffar to join.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate the newer games, this is just one thought I had to get off my chest. In short, joining early does not automatically equal “more memorable”, and I miss being able to look forward to who would join next, even towards the end of the game.
imo its pretty ambiguous as to whether they meant introduced as in caeneghis or introduced as in playable o: so i wouldnt write it off just yet. tho i do agree with you, as frustrating as those “recruit crit machine myrm with cleric/other squish unit” could be, it was REALLY satisfying when you finally pulled it off (looking at you also, vaida) LOL..
When will someone have the balls to ask about the marriage supports…specifically for gay male/lesbo side. Really wanna know if the leaks got another right.
Well we do know romance-marriage supports is in the game after the timeskip and in case spoilers after Jeralt gives you his wedding ring so that’s good enough for me. But I think that specific detail wouldn’t be mentioned tbh maybe the last famitsu article before release will talk about it but again doubt same gender would be mentioned.
Yeah I also doubt they’d say anything about same-sex content unless someone twisted their arm just ASK them directly.
Still like that the demonic beasts has alot of strategy to take them out many interesting strats I can see being used for each of them! I like that most of the classes shown for the individual character pretty nicely(even Marianne for a bunch of reasons). Can’t wait to absorb all the knowledge of this games world!
I believe the King of Lions’ name is going to be translated as either Lugh or Lug, a reference to the deity of Irish mythology, who wielded several magical spears — Lugh’s Spear (Luin Celtchair, Crimmall), Gae Assail, Areadbhair (Slaughterer). I wonder if one of them will be the name for Dimitri’s own Hero Relic.
You may indeed be right – this would fit with the Celtic theming for Faerghus. What’s more, even though FE has already used Lugh for a character’s name, that doesn’t mean they won’t re-use it, as they’ve re-used names before.
Can I just kiss the guy who made the ”Is TMS#FE coming to Switch?” question?
I’ve been wondering the same thing for quite some time now, good to finally have a small answer.
SMT(/Atlus games in general) and Fire Emblem are one of my favorites JRPGs out there, so you can see how little-me got sad when I saw that ”Wii U Exclusive!”
I choose House Pherae. OH WAIT
Dangit, Velouria and Rhajat within a couple weeks of each other? I don’t have the Orbs for this kind of torture!
Do you think this game have a day/night cycle at the monastery ?
Every single image and video was during daytime so my guess is no.
Yes this is what I think, sadly.
Here’s a clearer image https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25036e8d3c03fcd43a0baa71abac65f6ef7701eb846487cc715140a327f9cf92.jpg
Oh wow! So much has happened!! My choice is tested once again with the (possible) revelation that Annette and Gilbert may be related X’D I love these two so much already, but … Golden Deer!!!?!
So does anybody recognize any of the VAs? I recognize at least four, Veronica Taylor (Ash Ketchum and Micaiah), Cherami Leigh (Cecillia and Gwendolyn), Faye Mata (Lene) and Ben Diskin (Jakob).. Of the four Veronica Taylor stands out, at least for me, due to her role as Ash in Pokemon. That and I don’t know of any other roles the other three have done aside from Fire Emblem characters.
If i recall correctly then:
Cassandra Morris – Clarissa, Julia, Morgana (Persona 5)
Tara Platt – Miriel and Mitsuru (Persona 3), which I think is quite fitting.
Robbie Daymond – Tobin and Ares
Erica Mendez – Deirdre
Joe Zieja – Jamke and Canas
Ben Pronsky – Atlas
Kayli Mills – Thea
Dorothy Fahn – Rinea, I kinda wish they went with a register that was similar to Rinea’s for Mercedes since I think that suits her more but not too big of a deal.
Ben Lepley – Saias
Mark Whitten – Hrid and Lyon
Might have forgotten someone but those are the ones I recognize at least.
Huh, didn’t know Cassandra Morris did Morgana in P5 but then again I haven’t gotten very far in it either. Never played P3, only Persona games I’ve ever played are TMS#FE (since its consider Persona like with its battle style) and P5.
Also isn’t Ben Lepley the voice of Pit from Kid Icarus: Uprising as well as his VA in Smash? Cause I think some people mentioned Pit and Saias having the same VA when Fates was either in the works still or when we finally got to hear Saias’s voice.
Yeah I’d be surprised if it wasn’t Cassandra Morris voicing Sothis, the voice sample for Sothis sounds a lot like her. If you liked the general feel of what you played through in P5, I really recommend giving P3 a shot (no matter how cliche the recommendation may be)!
I’m pretty sure it was Antony Del Rio that voiced Pit from Kid Icarus/Smash and Silas from Fates. Silas and Saias do sound pretty close, maybe you mixed them up?
Well I have to get around to continue playing P5 but I keep getting distracted (I mean I got the game at Wal-Mart for $20) but if I get the chance, I’ll see if I can’t get my hands on P3.
Yeah I got the two mixed cause their names spelt so similarly. XD
I will say he did a good job as Pit, I think my favorite line is “Mayday, mayday! This is the end! I never learned how to read!” (I never played the game myself but I watched a playthrough of it once) I mean the I never learned how to read part is Pit’s new star ko line and its hilarious. Then again one really could not take Uprising all that seriously cause of all the jokes that were in it (they were somewhat cheesy but amusing cheesy).
eh, i’ve decided to finally join the conversation on these news and i choose golden deer. i’ve been comparing the lords to sigurd, eldigan, and quan, and i feel like claude is the “quan” of the group. plus, it doesn’t hurt that he’s a good-looking bowman.
Damn if Dimitri is voiced by Chris Niosi good for him. I watch a fair bit of his content back in the day.
I gotta admit, I’m even MORE excited than I have been (really letting the hype get to me), but I am also *really* disappointed to learn more about the DLC schedule. Releasing more “story” and playable characters well into next year puts a terrible taste in my mouth. I’m still picking this up day one, but I hope that the forthcoming content is still more in line with recent games, where it’s not necessary or even related to the story, just tacked on things after the fact. I don’t like feeling like the game was cut up to make more money.
Considering the gargantuam amount of stuff the game seems to have it just feels bizarre to imagine they are actually cutting content.
And I certainly hope that’s the case. The gaming industry just hasn’t give me a lot of reason to be optimistic in recent years, y’know? Nintendo exclusives tend to be better than most, IMO, but things change.
Given how IS handled Fate’s and FE:SoV’s DLC, I’m less inclined to trust them to put out any pro-consumer, meaningful and satisfying DLCs (granted, they shouldn’t even be in the game in the first place) . Moreover, despite they claim each route takes about 80 hours to complete, I wonder how many of those hours are actual story content and how many are just running around the central hub doing busywork. Perhaps I’m still suffeeing from an acute case of the”Peter Moreland” syndrome, but I just hate seeing developers overpromise and leave the fans disappointed.
I mean DLC doesn’t mean cutting content, sometimes that’s a scummy practice companies do, other times DLC is just extra shit added on, like the Xenoblade 2 expansion.
I’m going to hope that whatever the DLC is that it will be good. The pricing of it if actually worthwhile is a lot better than the Echoes DLC which leaves me hopeful. Nintendo is also treating it as a big rpg property on the switch which means they are probably a lot more involved than usual and most Nintendo main titles have been released well and with decent DLC…Xenoblade Chronicles 2 received an entire prequel expansion (a full 30+ hour game) and since this is being treated as essentially an rpg property there are certain expectations people have.
Something to keep in mind the thanibomb leak hinted at there being four routes…currently we only have been previewed of 3. There is a very good chance that the additional story and more playable characters is going to be the said fourth route. The leak also had far less details about said fourth route so it’s quite likely that it was further behind in development or conceptualization. Basically if you’re worried of another Revelations situation I’d hold off on picking up the DLC until you find out what people think of it.
The First Wave of DLC really leaves me feeling bitter considering it’s only those two byleth costumes (unless the entire cast gets similar for the first wave and they are just previewing it with the Byleth costumes…even then though why not just include it with the game if it is ready by launch) which is not really a “wave” of content. If anything there seem to be three major DLC waves planned for the game with a very misleading fourth one that reminds me a lot of Tecmo Koei dlc practices.
Honestly I’m more hopeful at the initial outset (they actually somewhat revealed what type of content will be in the season pass instead of keeping us in the dark) but really we’ll have to see how the base game is before we can really say anything on the DLC.
This is why I will buy it when all the expansion content will be released.
https://www.polygon.com/guides/2019/7/12/20690742/fire-emblem-three-houses-class-system-units-skill-levels-certification-test#comments
Hi, this Polygon article mentions Bow Knight as a class with reqs of A Riding, A Bows and C Lances, seems like relevant info
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDLkEtze5vs You can find the next rank of classes at 7:44 of nintendo world reports video.8 Master rank classes there’s a pegasus one, a wyvern one, four horseriding ones & two footbased.
Unique Class ?
oh god, im SO excited about the character development stuff! hearing these good things makes me SUPER hopeful. i think i could be happy with just flirting with characters, even if i cant marry them. even aside from the romance, it sounds like the characterization of the cast has had a lot of effort put into it. and if there’s really such a focus on story, and if the characterization is just that good.. maybe ill actually take my time with reading it all. im so glad i decided to preorder, even though im out of town the weekend it drops.
Considering that many reviewers gave revelations, possibly one of the worst FE games in existence objectively, high scores, I don’t see any reason to think that this is a good or bad sign.
Master rank confirmed from NWRtv YouTube footage, something even beyond it possibly
I signed up just to post this lol
Kotaku mentions recruiting Cyril and him specializing in Axe
I hate Mercedes’ voice and i’m pretty bummed about it cause i really like her.
Lorenz is Rokoru from Tales of Berseria!! Now I wish Christia Vee was still voiceing Edelgard…
originally i thought this was gonna be a great game, then initial reaction was disappointed. with more news coming out that it’s basically jugdral 2.0, i’ll get the game on the basis that it’s entertainment, but a belhalla academy side game would also be really fun.
Finally a Tethys card!
CAN THIS GAME BE IN MY HANDS ALREADY?!
How is Petra considered a commoner?!
Probably from her treatment as a foreigner despite being a Noble Princess…
I still don’t know whether I should play as F!Byleth (Like I do for all my avatars) or M!Byleth (cause he’s just so hot that if I could, I would marry him)
F!Byleth will have a lot more romance options
Saw some videos of the teachers being taught by Byleth. Its pretty cool.
Just a heads up since there’s a link to the gaymingsite, there’ll be only 3 same-sex romance options for M!Byleth. Linhardt, Alois and Gilbert. so that site is queerbaiting. Just don’t get your hopes up in romancing Claude as a male Byleth.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-not-looking-good-for-male-same-sex-romantic-supports-in-fe-three-houses-and-thats-not-acceptable-support-spoilers.122922/page-5
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fire-emblem-three-houses-preview-thread-including-opening-cinematic.128652/page-14
Also maybe Claude (I hope lol). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d5c921820c5080b08fc3f2d3f544316ee12c12c50d0777d790e2ee4e8e2e688.jpg
Nope, all the insiders have confirmed that Linhardt, Alois and Gilbert are all you get as a gay male Byleth
Did the insiders played Claude’s route? If he is S Supportable most likely only in his own route. The insiders all played with Edelgard it seems.
Actually some played as female Byleth on the Golden Deer route, so we won’t get to see the male Byleth side of support list. So there’s still a tiny amount of hope left but don’t get your hopes up until it’s clarified.
Most are disappointed by Alois and Gilbert reveal though. They’re the last thing they want to be romanceable.
So we have no male player as Golden Deer yet. Is Dimitri’s S Support on the list if you play as Female Golden Deer? If not, house leaders are only shown with S Support in their own route.
Dimitri pretty much debunked early on around E3 with a screenshot showing male Byleth support list for the blue lions. Only female blue lions can be S ranked with male Byleth
That’s not what I meant. If you play FEMALE Byleth and join Golden Deer… is Dimitri listed as S Rank? I’m pretty sure you can only S-Support the leaders if you join their house. Which would mean Claude only is listed as S-Support if you are a male Golden Deer member maybe.
There’s a menu in the title screen under EXTRAS that lists ALL of the supports and it shows that Claude and Male Byleth can only go to A.
Look his face, my gaydar is accurate on this one!
Why would you spoil the mood by bringing up that gaymingsite nonsense? Not only was the dude’s article pretty misleading but it’s also quite obvious the Reviewer was on the BE campaign (plus that image didnt even have all of the characters on it) , we still know nothing about the Lion & Deers supports. Lets wait a bit longer b4 spreading any of that half-baked info.
Wow chill, you getting paid by Nintendo? I put it up because the article put it up, and all the insiders that are playing the game has confirmed that Claude is for female Byleth only, including Thanibomb/the leaker herself on reddit!
For Blue Lions support, there’s a screenshot right around E3 that shows all the support for male Byleth and only the female students can be S-ranked. So now all gay players and their grandmothers know DImitri isn’t romanceable to them lol.
That’s why all their hope rests with Claude. And boy, last night was a rollercoaster.
Why should Claude be romancable in the Blue Lion route?
There’s a menu in the title screen under EXTRAS that lists ALL of the supports and it shows that Claude and Male Byleth can only go to A. Regardless of any house you pick, the list just differentiate if you pick a male or female Byleth.
You can say this all you want by all means. In the meantime I on the other hand will continue to wait for more solid info, thanks for the replies & all but I’m done here. Let’s agree to hope for the best at least.
1).Stop acting like I came @ you all irate bc I didn’t.
2).How does me bringing up flaws with both the screenshot & article equals I’m a Nintenshill?
3).Going off on just he said/she said stuff is irresponible as news poster like it or not, unless you have more physical or visual evidence of this besides that problematic 1st I can’t take what you say srsly until proven otherwise.
Ppl are already looking for reasons to hate on this game so pls don’t fuel the fire with half-baked stuff is all I’m saying.
Because pretty much all the links that I’ve given show all the insiders agree on that one particular matter. And Thanibomb the “leaker ” herself shot down every Claude is bi comment on reddit.
More info is getting out each passing day whether you like it or not. At this time, the ball’s in NoA’s court since they still yet to release the Golden Deer trailer
By the way did you all see the skyscraper in the opening ? I was like what, wait a second lol.
IGN has a video showing what they say is all the classes, and it does show what looks like another rank of classes. There are a few inconsistencies like Pegasus Knight and Wyvern rider shown next to each other or Lord being shown last. But the classes do look pretty cool. https://m.ign.com/videos/2019/07/12/fire-emblem-three-houses-a-look-at-all-the-classes
So just to check there are no classes where you can have a mount (horse, pegasus, Wyvern) and do magic, correct? Maybe there will be a DLC class?
Incorrect, the new Master Classes revealed have Dark Knight (reason horse) and Holy Knight (faith horse)
Oh! Thank you, I had not seen information on those classes yet.
IGN released a video showing all the classes. It includes the elusive Master classes that we’ve all been speculating on.
I also heard that there is new game plus though from one of the reviewers.
We got less than 1 final week after this one so I don’t mind other things being hidden till release!
Why can’t it be the 26th already? I’m tired of dodging cutscene videos on YouTube.
Same here, I’m gonna have to avoid Youtube like the plague. Especially once the game has released as I REALLY don’t want to get the story spoiled for me.
Clear your watch and search histories if you ever need to use youtube though.
Famitsu review: Fire Emblem: Three Houses (Switch) – 9/9/10/9 [37/40]
Same score as Echoes. Awakening and Fates have 1 less score.
Slight correction here, Three Houses’ score of 37 puts it just ABOVE Fates and the others, not below. The 37 Echoes and Three Houses have is the highest in the franchise.
Gah, the leak was probably right. I, frankly, don’t really wanna see that, especially with the leak stating that virtually everyone you don’t have on your side in the war phase will die. I just don’t wanna watch 2/3rds of the cast die horribly. I especially don’t want to have to be the one doing the killing.
Well get to recruiting! although they’ll be a few unrecruitable which are probably doom unless you choose that house…….
On the downside, it’s been confirmed in previous articles that there is an upper limit to how many you can recruit, not just who.
this is starting to sound kinda megaten-like… not a bad thing for sure, but definitely SOMETHING o: on another note, i just realized what this whole thing reminds me of (it clicked when reading about link lvs); trails of cold steel i and ii. academy phase in which a class becomes close and works out their differences, followed by a civil/war in which they scatter and in some cases are pitted against each other? ? brb, breathing into a paper bag
According to the leaks there will also be a 4th route so as by that maybe that ones the happy ending.
Unfortunately, by that same leak, it is stated that the fourth route is not a happy ending and can be considered worse in some ways.
If we get a happy ending, my money is on the last wave of DLC scheduled for next year.
I think the fourth route is the last wave DLC (a major expansion like Torna Golden Country/Xenoblade 2).
Famitsu scores:
Three Houses (Switch): 37/40
Shadows of Valentia (3DS): 37/40
Fates (3DS): 36/40
Awakening (3DS): 36/40
New Mystery of the Emblem (DS): 34/40
Shadow Dragon (DS): 34/40
Radiant Dawn (Wii): 33/40
Path of Radiance (Gamecube): 34/40
Sacred Stones (GBA): 35/40
The Blazing Blade (GBA): 34/40
The Binding Blade (GBA): 36/40
Thracia 776 (SNES): 35/40
Genealogy (SNES): 31/40
Mystery of the Emblem (SNES): 36/40
Gaiden (NES): 28/40
Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light (NES): N/A
FE3H is above, not below the others. No matter how biased or bad Famitsu in reviewing, i really hope they are on point this time 😀
Straight “cisgendered” folk is the societal default. Its not some perception, thats basic biology. And yeah that type of default is the bulk of the relationships in this game, but thats not the point here just some something that needed established before we continue.
And I love the “This setting has magic, therefore it should totally arbitrarily include societal mores that dont fit” Feudal Societies weren’t gay, this is based on feudal societies as have ALL Fire Emblems thus far. And including arbitrary amounts of modern society bullshit into it is just pandering whether its .3% or 4%. Also thats not 16 orders of magnitude. Its 1 and was representative of only the gay population which I didnt specify. And YES they do have to be “justified”, this isn’t real life, these are all creations that were made with a purpose. In this case to pander to the LGBT to check some arbitrary mark. If your LGBT and you ONLY buy this game because it has a small amount of LGBT characters in it then you are a fucking moron. I quite frankly I dont want you in my fandom. Someone so poorly motivated is not likely to be any sort of asset to this game’s community.
Listen I really do not care if they include these options. I just wont pursue them (or fuck it maybe I will cause traps are hot in anime) I also found the Valbar/Leon almost pairing quite entertaining and written well enough but I will reiterate AGAIN why the LGBT community continues to not only accept but call for arbitrary and lame inclusion. If I found out something was included merely for the sake of pandering to my super specific demographic in order to get me to buy it I would feel insulted. Its thinly veiled “Rainbow Corporatism.” And I aint limiting their free speech by calling out their stupid behavior and how dare you imply such. That sentence was made purely to somehow shame me into silence. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying make this an argument of me against the LGBT community when that’s not what this is about at all.
And the fact that you cant admit its in poor taste just shows your own poor taste. The fact that you are so quick to demagogue against anyone who even remotely shows confusion, disinterest and annoyance at this arbitrary inclusion shows more about your opinion that they need constant defense like they are some kind of babies that can’t take any other opinion.
I mean look at the original post in this thread. They literally say their interest in this game largely hinges on some same sex support conversations AND THEN went on to imply unless their demands were met that they were homophobic… You dont see the problem? Look what you are defending. A moron who just happens to be gay (and shallow). My point is they dont want inclusion… they want special treatment for being gay if Intelligent Systems wants his money. fuck off with that attitude. You glossed over all that in my previous post too.
Oh, I can tell that you have been working in this article for quite some time, and well, thank you Vincent, you always put a lot of work into analyses of major and minor details. Just thanks ♥️
Exhaustive write-up! Good job.
I don’t know if you saw, but Dedue has a backstory write-up on the IGN Characters page. Quite interesting, and corroborates more of Thanibomb’s leak.
Won’t deny was hoping they would wait until the game came out but 4 days prior to stoke the hype isn’t bad.
Just wanted to add, that in french, crests are translated as “Emblème” so basically Emblem. And as such, byleth wield the Fire Emblem. Pretty funny.
According to GameXplain spell uses can increase when you raise your skill levels in Reason/Faith. Also, “(trapped in a waterlogged sports building),” are you okay?
Ah, that makes sense. I was thinking that’s a possibility.
Haha, thanks for asking. It wasn’t as dangerous as it sounds. There were a lot of creatures fighting inside though.
Spends money to get these characters instead of the actual game.
Well I know I’m gonna be spending orbs on this banner (I managed to get Lyn on the summer but she has terrible IVs in -SPD/+DEF, bleh gonna have to keep trying for a better one). I’m mostly gonna be gunning for F!Byleth cause her sword totally shuts down Bold, Vengeful, Guard and Null-Follow Up and her special is gonna be especially deadly towards beasts and dragons, she’s also gonna want to team up with Naga for maximum effect towards dragons. I imagine M!Byleth’s skill set is gonna be similar to his female counterpart when we get him. It sucks that her sword doesn’t have an innate distant counter since it has a ranged ability in the game.
Claude is gonna be the other one I’m gonna try for as he doesn’t have much competition in terms of bow cavs which is four but two of those are colored (not to mention one is limited) so his only real competition is B!Lyn and I imagine he’s gonna have a slightly better statline than her and VA!Roy is limited. Also his line pretty much sold it for me, not to mention it was funny.
Edelgard and Dimitri are not top priority but I’ll try getting them nonetheless as Edelgard is pretty much a axe version of Ephraim with her skillset and weapon’s ability and Dimitri’s weapon skill is pretty interesting. Although gonna have to change both his and Claude’s B skill cause they aren’t all that impressive and seem rather situational.
Still overall a good banner.
Good lord, Vincent, the absolute dedication of you to chronicle your breakdowns of all this stuff. I salute you lad.
Vincent amazing job you saved us some time by wasting yours thanks mate 🙂
Game Informer did a pod cast and mentioned recruiting enemies so there’s some people on the enemy team you can bring over. Also the reviewer clarified on some branching path questions.
What was clarified?
I’m pretty sure your guess bout the dancer class is right since the sprite looks exactly like Hilda’s when she is in the dancer class and it must be given from that festival then. Is the Dancer class gender-locked?
Wow even better skills plus appropriately have DC!
Awesome. I was in need of a dc fodder for Edelgard.
Eh….your choice….
I feel like Sword of the creator should have distant counter built into it.
yus!
I’m glad they didn’t wait long to reveal this since so many people were getting paranoid that he would be a very gimped unit compared to Female Byleth. 😀
Very happy to see that ain’t the case and that he’s arguably the better version.
Famitsu scores are notorious for being wildly biased. I wouldn’t put much stock into this.
I suppose Sothis is the Mythic, then?
That video is a fricking PERFECTION ♥
And I really love their take on FE3H promo. I haven’t felt this happy with FEH in quite a long time.
Got Claude with 3 summons so I’m good will spend the tickets from FB but wont pull for anyone else as keeping the orbs for the soon Legendary Banner
Any clues on who the singer is?
My limited copy just shipped out, so I’ll expect it to arrive tomorrow. Unfortunately my Switch won’t be here until Friday at earliest which sucks.
Who did you get the game from if I may ask?
Webhallen, Swedish retailer. I also got both the Fates and Echoes limited editions a few days before their release.
Same here. I’m so glad that there are only around sixteen hours left until I can finally play the game. These past few days were one hell of anticipation.
It’s going to be even more of a tease for me having the game and being unable to play it. I doubt the gameplay will hold a candle to Conquest but hopefully it will be better than the other 3DS games at least.
I wanna play it so bad but it’s probably not going to arrive until the release date. Be nice if it was today or tomorrow but I don’t think I’m that lucky.
This will very likely be one of my favoritists game of all time almost there in my hands!!!
A question of curiosity to all those who have the game already:
Did Sothis say that she shares your birthday as well? I chose the 19. day of the eighth month and now I’m wondering whether or not this is a scripted response or just a coincidence.
Nice my first playthrough will also be with the Golden Deers though that one will be more in order to prepare for my real playthrough with New Game+ with the Black Eagles.
Thank you for all your hard work, Vincent. And the same to everyone else working behind the scenes.
Just 5 hours till the store opens and i can get my hands on it then i can spend hours figuring out a fraction of what ill learn from you all by this time next week. Keep being awesome.
Time to avoid youtube.
yea good luck with that buddy …
Don’t need luck, it’s more than feasible, at least for me it is.
with that kind of answer you will definitely stumble upon a spoiler guaranteed !
Well it looks like you were dead wrong, but that’s not too surprising.
HOUSE GOLDEN DEER FTW !!!
Thank you mate!
500 gold says Sothis is the Mythic hero.
Unfortunate that it’s a figma. Scales are that much more interesting.
“Defense anima hero”? No, paying attention makes it clear that Sothis is a resistance boosting dark hero. Also, every single legendary and mythic hero comes with at least two uninheritable skills, one of which is their weapon. So no, Sirius isn’t inheritable. If it is then what would Sothis’ other unique skill be, exactly?
If Sirius is inheritable then it’s got to be Time’s Pulse 3 since thats just a better Quicken Pulse due to it being every turn as opposed to QP’s first turn only. I really do hope it’s TP or at the very least it’s not inheritable by cav units as this skill would make Reinhardt broken again.
…Time Pulse 3 has a “3” in its name. Why in the world wouldn’t it be inheritable?
Well minus the number next to it, the name alone should tell the rest. You know? I mean I have no way of knowing if it is or not, no one does really, but if it is then lets just hope it’s NOT inheritable by cav characters cause there are like two characters at least that come to mind that with this skill can be really really annoying to deal with if it is inheritable by all.
Thank you for spotting that! I rushed this one out after being out after a long day and somehow completely misread the blessing icons.
Sweet! Got another chance at getting L!Lyn as well as a lot of others. This is a good banner for those looking to +10 some characters or get ones they don’t have yet. Honestly for me personally the only ones I don’t care about are HS!Ryoma and L!Azura, the others I will gladly take.
Omg! I recently spent 329 orbs on the Mythic banner of Sothis, I don’t know if I will have enough orbs for all of this. But maybe I can refrain myself to spend orbs on the Brave banner, I just need for the moment a free Micaiah, because I really want at least 2 copies of that L!Julia !!
Wow, Camilla finally got a better costume, congrats to her. Though I’m not sure what happened to her neck, is she ok?
The rest also look great, especially Eliwood and Micaiah.
May you please reposition details on leaks after this article’s jump, more specially after info from FEH Channel, & warn people about said leaks before revealing their details? People like me consider leaks to be spoilers, & I feel disrespected that I not only see them without warning but also before & after officially released material. As a reference, Fire Emblem Heroes Reddit placed this leak behind spoilers tags because they know that some people don’t want to see them without choice as they scroll through posts.
I didn’t consider the leak to be a “leak”, as it wasn’t datamined out of the game, but rather, something that anybody playing the game could have seen at the time of its posting since it was just posted on the FEH bulletin board and then later removed.
I can keep this in mind for future news summary postings, and I can edit this one for folks that haven’t seen it yet.
I do appreciate you voicing your concerns. It helps me improve as an editor, and will do my best to post articles that can appeal to folks like you that prefer to keep certain things obscured, and others that prefer to see things as they come up 🙂
Thank you for sharing that info. I learned some things as well.
Also, may you please forgive me if at any moment in my previous post I’ve overemphasized my point in a way that implies impatience? That was actually my first post ever in this comment section, but I assure you that my future posts will be more calm through experience.
Lastly, thank you so much for rearranging this articles contents! I believe that a post like this will now appeal to both parties that you’ve mentioned.
really wish i could find this on amazon from a better seller
Don’t forget the Death Knight GHB announced for next week.
A good start like with Shadows of Valentia~
And all these banners before CYL3, I guess they drop another Banner-Bomb after that.
Petra as a Pegasus Knight? Thats odd… If anything she should be a Wyvern Knight or Swordmaster.
First, Picnic Flora & Felicia whom are season-locked; then, Brave Eliwood whom will be free to some & regularly summon-able; now, Petra whom will also be regularly summon-able? R.I.P. beasts’ reliability in AR. We all knew it was coming, but to me, it’s coming too soon after dragons’ reliability in AR dropped. Well, here’s hoping that Petrine from “Path of Radiance” gets released soon with her beast-effective Flame Lance. Plus, I’m already adapting.
20 hours for the first job start it quick it may be here for 20 days but we don’t know how it works yet technically.
So who did everyone go for? I got Eliwood for my free unit and then pulled for Micaiah which I was lucky and got pretty early. The others while tempting to pull for I will let be “nice” pity breakers for the future.
I went with Eliwood too, mostly cause of favoritism for his game, then tried for Alm and Micaiah (don’t care for Camilla, Veronica is better in every way) but got neither unfortunately.
It seemed like a lot of people were going to go for Micaiah as their freebie so I figured, given the relative rarity of green orbs (for me at least) that that seemed a logical choice. I pulled for Eliwood (also favouritism) and thought if I had the orbs to spare I’d go for Alm, too. After getting spooked by a flying Nino and a Berkut, I managed to get all of them, all in about 115 orbs. My stash was 130, so I’m glad I have a bit left to start rebuilding for the legendary banner at the end of the month. Was originally saving for that because I forgot we were getting the CYL banner this month. Still hoping I’ll have enough to make that banner doable, though!
I’d love to +10 Micaiah at some point (to match my +10 OG Miccy and my +2 Yukata Miccy), so I went for her for my free one and I’ve been trying for more green Orbs since then. So far, all I’ve gotten are more pity-breakers (including a Brave Eliwood, which at least made me happy), so it’ll be a long journey.
Now that’s a quality map, there. If I still played, I would deploy my nuke Klein. 3-13 archer must not be forgotten.
“All three leading characters”
Chrom is the leading character of awakening and he wasn’t shown today.
Leading characters specifically for the set. In this case, F!Robin will be the main character for the Awakening portion for S18.
I am embarrassed
I don’t have Valentine Mist or Kaden so I will be pulling Green. With my luck I’m gonna get jack until Gunnthra pity breaks me
I’m quite sure that the Duel BST bonus for these Legendary Heroes is 175, not 180.
180 was stated in Julia’s bio.
Skipping this banner. Tana is up next in the weekly revival so I’m gonna go all in to finally +10 her.
>Crusader of Light
>Earth blessing
Isn’t Julia a Legendary hero, not mythic hero?
Regardless, leaks were right, think I’ll save more orbs though, not seeing anything I want, so would rather save for Edelgard, Elincia, or other units I like a lot.
There’s other Gen 1 units that are in more need of refines I would say. Anyway, getting another merge for my Eirika doesn’t sound too bad.
See I’m sorta glad that there are still occasional TMS#FE cards as it almost make it seem like they IS still remembers it. If I can I might try to nab that card as since I was not a fan of Kiria normal design I generally used that costume during my play through.
Yeah, I’m guessing we’ll just get the occasional TMS#FE cards in red/blue sets as they come, as there’s not much reason to make a full TMS#FE portion unless they rerelease the game on Switch or so.
I was think that the CYL 1 units have been powercrept…with the exception of B!Lyn, and how they all need something too bring themselves to the level of the current CYL. They’ll probably get some busted refinements considering who they are.
“Ayra”? You sure that isn’t Larcei?
You’re right, certainly looks like Larcei instead. My mistake! I’ll fix that up now. (I’ve never been good with second gen units…)
Damn, all of these are so beautiful but SO expensive too…
I am EXTREMELY tempted to buy that Ike watch. But almost $280 dollars Canadian for a watch is steep to say the least, especially as it doesn’t ship until February…
My first thought was “wait, who’s Lombard?” and then I realized it’s Lex’s father. I’m used to the VERY old fan translation that called him “Langobolt”.
Went in with 320 orbs to secure me more copies of Tana, and some 4* Tate in the process. Well, I got one of the former, and not a single Tate. I also got two Kliff in the same session, Olwen, Morgan, and Hector. Overall rather shit results.
Cordelia?! Gosh dangit, here I was thinking this would be a set I could get away with only one box…also NEW CIPHER OC?!
That girl has a weird nose!
Im pretty happy if I interpret these silhouettes right. Boy with short and a girl with long hair dancing…….which game featured that…..lets just say i would be pretty disappointet if these two arent Berkut and Rinea^^
This looks like Berkut & Rinea with a headmic.
Another vote for Berkut and Rinea.
>Inb4 it’s Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE characters
nice, prediction was right and Rinea is the free, so no matter if i pull Berkut or not, i can still field them together^^
Another Reinhardt? Eyvel isn’t in the game yet, is she? It’s interesting how FEH saved him from being ignored like the rest of Thracia.
Julius will go on a killing spree.“Eyvel isn’t in the game yet, is she?”
lol anyone not named Reinhardt or Ishtar being relevant.
Reinhardt is the “face” of FE 5 after all to most people who play feh, so of course they’re using him. Can’t wait for them to retcon him in the FE 5 remake.
“FE5 Remake”: Don’t give me hope.
It’s funny because Ishtar is not even from Thracia, she just does a cameo.
Next Grail-Projekt~
Glad Rinea is the free unit. hmmm Probably Nephenee she looks a little silly in the gown but still with her helmet but I’d be kicking myself if I didn’t nab her. Maybe go for Berkut to complete the set but we will see.
I caved and bought the Three Houses watch for the Raphael tier FLEX
Damn, Berkut looks happy..
Aversa’s tits are still clouded it seems. That’s a no-go.
I will take the minor censoring as long as they get rid of that stupid hip hop “true self” bullshit.
I’m just hoping that the censors seen is due to the all-ages nature of the Directs and the actual game isn’t gonna be having any of it. Censorship’s been considerably looser ever since the Wii U era, so it’d be a shame to see a step being taken back.
NGL, would still buy the game even if the old censorship is retained. I’ll just end up playing the entire gravure chapter with a mildly pouty face.
You’re the same guy who got upset at gay romance in Three Houses. Don’t pretend like you only care about the issue because of “censorship”.
I didn’t get “upset at gay romance”. I was annoyed at the fact that people want to have more romance options in a game that is better off without it. Had the person asked for anything else within the same topic I would’ve jumped on it as well, I can guarantee you that much.
Tsubasa in glasses makes me happy
nice, could never play this one because i didnt own a wii u, now they remake this, xenoblade 1, seiken densetsu 3 and dragon quest 11 for switch…….guess i wont be seen outside anywhere next yearxD
First Jugdralts that are actual special banners and we get… Reinhardt/Ishtar. If we were really going down the Ishtar route, we could’ve set her up with Julius instead, especially since Julius has an actual relation with the protagonist of FE4’s Gen 2, but I’d rather they use the actual lords instead (Leif/Nanna would’ve been really cute). But Rinea finally being in the game is definitely something to celebrate.
Personally never liked this game. FE3H is the most SMT x FE we’ll get (and even that’s kind of a stretch). But I guess it exists on the Switch now? So, that’s two SMT x FE games we have.
The game that managed to trigger two fanbases at once with the dumb idol thing, and then fans of the actual game because its censorship. I wonder if there’s still hope for all of you who want it uncensored.
Awww shucks, not translated to german.
Hilariously, Claude’s cards list his name as “Claude (Fodlan)”, probably to differentiate him from FE4 Claud. (Spelled the same in Japanese, and given TCG mechanics you’d be able to do weird promotions and level-ups if they had the same name)
“Note that if you clear Maddening mode without selecting New Game +, the title screen will change.”
That sounds like the way IntSys intends for this difficulty to be played, by starting from a fresh file. I’m still completing the other routes on Hard, I’ll give Maddening a try once all the other DLC are out.
It probably won’t be until Christmas that I’ll have the time to try this mode out with the new semester starting back up. I’ll probably be back in the mood for it by then too.
Have only been able to complete the GD route so far. Now I’m conflicted to play Maddening on New Game+ cos its fun or go standard New Game to unlock the different title screen…
I’ve not checked yet, but it mentions the current costumes are for the students, so guessing we have nothing for the church members? I really hope we get some new outfits for them, too, at some point. Don’t want them to be missed out >.<
noice
“I am merely a traveller. No, really. This Sable Lance doesn’t imply anything at all.”
…They really should’ve just made his crit quote “I’M NOT CAMUS!!!!”
Also, interesting how New Mystery removed Phina’s access to Rapiers, but it’s back here. Kaga always said her being able to use Rapiers implied she had some kind of royal blood, so glad this detail is “canon” again.
Nagi has a different VA to Naga if I’m remembering right. That’s… kind of weird. Though she is implied to be a reincarnation rather than literally Naga.
Dammit, if I wouldn’t have left the game, I’d summon that Feena and try to crush Hardin with her. I mean, her build must be based around the meme.
Nice banner, probably gonna go for Norne the most as I liked using her in Shadow Dragon. One thing is bugging me though, why is it that they are using a SoV soundtrack for New Mystery characters? I mean seriously, it’s obvious which game they’re from, Camus posing as his alter-ego is a straight up give away as is Nagi. And I’ve never even played New Mystery either.
I too will probably pull for Norne as I actually like her design and used here the few times I played Shadow Dragon but its either going to be her or Feena that is dropped to 4 Star and I kinda feel like it be her given she doesn’t have anything super special like the others.
Actually it is likely that Norne will be the demote as she is similar to Silas from last year with her Guard Bow and even putting Reposition into the colorless pool
Feena is my favourite dancer so I’ll be pulling for her.
I am all on board for what they did for Bantu. It gives you a chance at getting a new unit without the stress of a pity breaker or needing to get it right now on it’s opening banner. I’d be very happy if they do that some more in the future.
They kinda did the same thing with Kaze before. I’m surprised it hasn’t occurred since.
It’s a new story chapter, not a paralogue chapter.
I am more excited over Bantu getting added as a non-focus 3*/4*. I want more like him.
The Lunatic maps for this chapter were really easy
Managed four Feena and Chrom on a horse in roughly 150 orbs. Rather pleased.
Doesn’t Anna’s clothes have the crest of Ernest on it?
It seems like it. Ernest is also the first crest in the list, which is equally dubious…
Of course Jeritza is certain routes only my guess is Black Eagles and Blue Lions all things considering.
Black eagles makes sense since he was absent post timeskip. As for the Blue lions, if he was to be recruited, then who will take his place in fort merceus?
True, dat.
He’ll be replaced by his distant cousin Bleritza.
Goddamit klingy
I regret nothing!
No playable Sothis in some form? That’s interesting.
pretty weird considering how she seems to get an alternative costume seeing how she isn’t playable in any form- maybe these news turn out to be fake or some other content might be added? feels kinda off considering how Sothis has crit/battle quotes & etc in the game’s directory…maybe it was planned to add her, but the idea was ultimately scratched? Pity considering how strong she is in heroes!
why would this news be fake. And not all premade materials get used. Its made for what if scenarios. Like if they decided to give us playable sothis. But from what this says, then for now that isn’t happening.
At least, some more cutscenes so that she gets more screen time? Basically, she should be like Helga from Dies Irae. Every iteration of the story has her appear more and more. Initially, Helga could not physically manifest. Interview with Kaziklu Bey has her physically manifest only when Wilhelm uses the highest magnitude of his Briah (the self-destructive sort). The anime has her manifest every time Wilhelm uses any magnitude of Briah, and I’m pretty sure when he is using Yetzirah, too.
“considering how strong she is in heroes!”
Well she’s a god, a mythic hero, plot critical, “whale bait”, etc.
Remember this is the same game that made:
-Seth and Mathilda garbage
-Karla and Ayra godly
Maybe there is free dlc for wave 4 planned and she will be part of it
Well, we don’t know if this is a completed list to begin with, DLC is still 7 months away, and Nintendo might not be fully reveal the content yet. Sothis getting clothes but nothing else and Jeritza being the only exclusive character makes me wonder.
We also don’t know if there are more DLCs later, all previous FE games gets twice the amount the DLC than we have now (Awakening $50, Fates $78 if you counted paths, SoV $45)
Seeing as how she is partially complete as a playable character in the current game’s code, maybe they just had a costume made for her and are throwing it in as DLC. Anyways, I don’t think they’d leave out major DLC info like a playable character.
“Anyways, I don’t think they’d leave out major DLC info like a playable character.”
Berkut in Echoes had fully voiced level up lines. Didn’t mean he would make it in as a DLC character.
” all previous FE games gets twice the amount the DLC than we have now”
But they already had a schedule for all those DLC at launch. From what I recall, the DLC released near the end weren’t a surprise to fans.
why the fuck would you want playable Sothis?
Because she disappears early on and I want to see more of her?
wait, what do they mean by Abyss Mode?? Is that a new difficulty level, additional story content, or (what I’d hope for the most) a 5th story path???
Unfortunately, that’s all we’ve got. It seems to be the new story content, but calling it a “mode” is pretty weird. Maybe it’s separate from the main game like the Torna DLC for Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
Well, “Abyss” would indicate it’s a Difficulty Mode.
Maybe we get it as part of the free dlc.
No way its going to be paid dlc.
Inb4 its a 1 save run so that every decision counts. Once you’re out of pulses that its time to start a new save. I always loved iron man runs in Xcom and i wish fire emblem had that too.
Anna will most likely have the Crest of Ernest! also, I thought there were 5 total waves of DLC?
pretty sure its only 4. thats whats been stated on the official website for the dlc, so…
What do they mean with “Side-Story”?
If I were to guess, I’d say that sounds akin to the infinite dungeon of Final Fantasy Tactics. “The Story is Over, but WHOA we found this portal for endless potentially randomized maps!”
That would not be a side STORY.
Well, perhaps not in the way you or I would like it, but if they threw in some dialogue to motivate why we get “infinite months, infinite maps” mode post-credits (something the game would “need” with its final DLC, IMO)… that might be “story enough” to say “side story.” We’ll see :).
My guess is that it would be some Gold and exp farming maps. Maybe some where you farm Materials and weapons too, who knows?
Nintendo did that since Awakening.
This would be auxillary battles, which were added in the first wave already and they didn’t called them story content. They literally called them ‘grinding maps’ in the annoucnement.
YOu can only grind them as long as you got points what i mean maps that dont need any points and can be repeated whenever you want like in normal mode.
If i where to guess it will probably be you importing your current save to another “story” that takes place after the game ends. Using all your units, but only the new characters and byleth will actually be part of the story probably.
>Sauna
Three Houses has been quite non-pandering and tasteful as far as modern FE goes, so it’s going to be reaaally interesting to see how they will handle it. Maybe IntSys/Koei will say fuck it and go full fanservice-mode.
That’s what I’m guessing will happen; fan-service features seem to be all the rage among video game developers these days unfortunately. 🙁
Ever heard the saying “sex sells”? It’s a simple business strategy to draw in simple minded customers.
Well its DLC, I dont know if it’s trying to help sell the game. I think it’s a just a extra bonus for the players playing this game. Duh
Dude have you ever existed in the early 2000s? I’ve seen a lot of half naked women ingame commercials and cut scene.
Lol
Also you look fucking stupid
Also why did you use your picture for profile?
Sex sells.
You idiots seem to have forgotten that Nintendo is behind this game.
Well, if that were to happen then we would see shitstorm from the shill journos from Kotaku and these pedophiles from “resetera” crying about it.
But Koei is known to give no shit as they did with Tifa in Dissidia.
Probably
lol what kind of retarded fuckface is this? the only pedophiles are the ones who defend pedo art to begin with (like those gamergate scumbags who were butt hurt at the censored panty shots in TMS).
The difference between gamergate and Retardera is that we at the very least defend artistic freedom for fictional characters.
You guys on the other han are into real girls.
Just look how many pedophilia advocates are on Resetera.
they could easily put it on time skip only. thats my guess
That would definitely be the safest bet because if it’s before It will get hit hard because of their ages
Mercedes is 20 years old
I don’t know l, I mean some of the students are already in their 20s
“Non-panderinng and tactful”?
Fist off, I dont remember awakening having fan service. Other than the filler DLC.
In fates fan service is also in filler dlc and in two characters on the nhor side, but that ties into their characters.
How is this surprising, you stupid fuck. Lol
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Excited for the new classes. Sick of everyone being essentially the same 3-4 classes in end game…
Judith better be playable in wave 4 it would be nonsense if Jeritza is playable in specific route which obviously makes sense but not her she’s one of my favorite supporting character and would gladly S Support her too!
I just finished GD last night (third house I played) and I love Judith! I’d love to have her playable!
I was expecting Anna and jeritza(moreor less) to be part of the DLC.
Just wondering how we will be able tor ecruit jeritza though.
As for the Story mode” Abyss mode”
It sounds like some interdimensional travel.
“Abyss”, as far as I know, was introduced in feh.
As far as online features go, I’m surprised that this game doesn’t have an “indirect PVP” mode allowing players to pick a loadout of defending units on a map of their choosing that other players can just raid. I don’t know how rewards would fit in a non-normal/casual playthrough where combat opportunities are precious, but that could be really fun to get stats on how well your team is doing. This is my first FE game, so maybe that’s sacrilege in this series, but I’ve enjoyed something like that in other games. I do respect FE3H not doing *direct* PVP, I think that could only breed negativity, personally, and begin the groaning for “class balance” that really doesn’t belong in a game like this.
In Fire Emblem Fates, the indirect PVP worked pretty much like how you suggested, and the battles were always played in casual, no matter what difficulty your save was set to. Fates also had direct PVP, though that didn’t affect your save at all, seeing as it was a different game mode accessed from the main menu
I for one think three houses is certainly the FE that would’v benefited the most from *direct* PVP given that weapons aren’t locked to classes and any character could become any class. PVP in fates really fell off due to things like the Hacked skills/classes and Pair-Up still being broken, but moreso imo that routing the enemy was literally the only mode. If the My castle sieges were active PVP along with Seizing the throne or arrival/defend maps would be great. Heck, I’d be hard pressed to say Co-OP maps w/Leaderboards would be fun or all out Battle royales a la “Blood of the Eagle and Lion” would make pvp work.
I wonder if this is a complete or only partial list, things like “Sothis clothes” makes little sense since she has so little screen time, probably 1/3 was animated cutscenes, unless Sothis ended up being a playable later as well.
Thanks Vincent! Looks promising! I think these will make the DLC worthwhile. If these get confirmed I will definitely buy it.
I was hoping Kronya would be playable.
Byleth: “You know how we went out to take revenge on that girl that killed my father? So, funny story, she’ll be joining you in class from now on.”
Leonie: *angry Leonie noises*
Byleth: “What do you mean why? Have you seen her divine boobs? Even the goddess herself would be envious. It would be sacrilegious to kill her.”
Leonie: …
Leonie: …
Sothis: *angry loli noises*
This made me laugh more than it should have LOL
I hope Jeritza is recruit able in any route. As after i am done with maddening the only run i will have left is the church run. And i think i will be saving that for abyss mode. Since i think that is the hardest route.
Abyss isn’t a new difficulty. It’s a side story.
deadass one of the new recruitable characters better be the gatekeeper
and also new support convos better be more samesex s supports xoxo
I’m looking forward to more things to do around the Monastery.
I think they did an overall good job with it but even I can’t deny that it gets a little monotonous later on since there aren’t that many activities to do overall.
Valter’s first ability is “You are my prey” which gives him +10 attack when attacking your opponent’s main character. That’s all I’ve got so far.
No Papa Jeralt? i’m mad >;(
hooooo boy can’t wait for guys over at resetera to have a breakdown over the sauna
jokes aside the new waves of dlc’s looks good & with anna in the mix? IM IN
A sauna where the characters address fully clothed too… though I wouldn’t be surprised if it did still piss them off.
this banner is a pass for me
this game was one massive dumpster-fire that needed to stay on the Wii U smh
Eirika and Lucina are actually HR rarity, replacing the X cards from previous sets.
Thank you very much for pointing this out! I’ve done a bit more research now and I got the article updated to reflect this information.
It looked interesting but with no Chrom on The cover or a pin, I have to pass
The shield on the leather cover -is- based on Chrom’s fire emblem, if that counts.
Haha almost counts.
Didn’t mean for my comment to read as rude
I meant it’s high quality stuff, it looks good I just don’t buy much merch so when I do I’m picky with it; gotta have my favorites
Oh, no harm no foul! I didn’t think of that as rude, I was just looking for a loophole to get Chrom on there somehow~
I always though Paladin Amelia had a really cool palette in FE8, so glad to see that promotion branch get some love for once. Fishing Byleth is also amazing.
The fish…
I didn’t see anything about winning one on the 1st 2 “season” Twitter links. Maybe I’m just stupid? I probably won’t remember to come back here, but you should probably make that part more clear for others who chare my affliction.
The Rokkr Accessories are so boring…
In all honesty I never use the things in general.
I love the Byleth and Flayn one. :3
Wow, whoever drew that artwork for timeskip Bernadetta did a much better job than TH’s actual artist did. 😀
I wouldn’t mind having her nor that FB4. More merges for Ephraim and Eirika is also a good outcome.
I personally think this might be the weakest legendary banner of all time… but merges are always welcome
I am orb broke rn so not a horrible situation
The Blue color is so weak!
For me, this banner is great, because I don’t have any of the Red Heroes, Yune is one of my merge projects and Colorless os pretty strong as well.
Lute..didn’t need it, but I’ll take it.
On the other hand..
Virion and Hawkeye?
HMMMMM~
Frederick should be cool too, although he ain’t that bad.
I still use Frederick to this day… he was part of my original horse emblem when it was still op…
I would argue with tier lists about his relevancy… but yeah, he is really good and I’m thrilled he is getting a weapon.
God, I fucking hope that they give the girls a Grappler line variant, and the guys a Pegasus Knight and Gremory variant. Locking certain classes behind gender when the units could wreck even more shit is baffling to me.
I got Hrid as a free summon… sweet!
We know anything else about the orb price change due to Japan tax reform?
Wait, do you have to participate in the Twitter questionnaire to receive the 10 orbs, or does only one person of all the people playing need to answer five questions correctly for everyone to get the prize?
The majority of voters must get the question right.
All FEH players will get the reward, regardless of who participated in the voting.
HOLY GOD, THIS MUST BE MY FAVORITE BANNER FROM ALL TIME.
L’Arachel looks so god damn good, Dozla is my favorite berserker of all games (and I always wanted to know how tall was he!), ILYANA MADE ME SCREAM FROM HAPPINESS, Hector with Lilina is just plain cute and fearsome and Rolf was a beast in both my runs of FE9 and 10. Bad thing is that I just spent most of my orbs on the New Mystery banner (but it was worthy because of the +DEF/-SPD Nagi).
If I get Ilyana, then I feed her all the Dragonflowers I have!
VirionxCherche FTW.
Huh, and here I though L’Arachel was gonna be a horse dagger, didn’t expect her to be a mage. This is a pretty good banner otherwise though I do admit they are getting a little carried away with making armors for Halloween characters, a little variety wouldn’t hurt. On a side note Lillina as a child is really adorable, I wonder if she and Hector will give hints as to who her mother is considering Hector has three potential wives to choose from (he does not marry Serra I’m pretty sure despite having a ending with her).
I don’t consider Heroes particularly canon, but even then I doubt they would make any such reference. The other kids keep their default hair colours and seem to stay away from the topic.
True I won’t deny that but it would be nice if they gave hints to who the other potential parent is. Also I already got my answer cause I managed to snag Hector and Lillina (I also got Ilyana with bot characters being from the tickets everyone gets), too bad his IVs aren’t exactly all that great at +HP/-DEF, bleh. HP I’ll take but that -DEF is gonna hurt in the long run unless I’m able to snag another Hector and Lillina, not that Ilyana is much better with +SPD/-HP. X_X
I’m guessing that it wasn’t mentioned? That’s rather unlucky though with the pulls. Personally I always make sure to go for at least two of the character I want, just so I can erase the bane. In this banner I only want L’Arachel but I haven’t managed to get her yet though.
Well not through their little conversation they have between the two of them no, it’s mostly a nod to when Lillina and Roy are introduced in the Epilogue of 7 and foreshadowing Hector’s death in 6 and what Lillina will have to do in the aftermath of it. Haven’t tried doing the little “tap on the character and they’ll talk to you, laugh or grunt” yet but I’ve a feeling they won’t mention anything.
Yeah those IVs for both suck but I’ve had worse, with -ATK being the most annoying and constant one that I end up getting on most of the characters I want. Most of the Lyns I’ve gotten (I’ve got all but Bride Lyn) are either -ATK or -SPD two of her worst banes for her to even want,
Hope you’re able to get L’Arachel before the banners over with and with good IVs too. Good luck.
I’ve had that happen too, but quite rarely. The Thrasir I got recently was perfect with +Spd/-Def as an example of the opposite.
Anyway, I did get two of her just now in about 40 orbs, but both are +HP and -Spd/Atk. In these situations I just leave the unit in the barracks until I have one with more favourite IVs to merge into at once. There’s a quite some time left in this banner so maybe I’ll get a better one. It would be great if the next banner was an Awakening one so I can skip it too.
Thats pretty good for Thrasir, wasn’t able to get her or the ones I wanted off her banner sadly, got mostly 3*s and 4*s.
Nice on the L’Arachel you just got. Lucky, RNG must’ve had pity or was just being nice to you.
It’s looking up for sure. I got spooky Myrrh on my free summon in today’s banner as well. +Def/-Spd too. Just wish I was this lucky when it came to getting 4* copies of Tate, because I haven’t gotten a single one since May, lol.
Anyway, L’Arachel is actually really good. She slotted in perfectly in my AR defence team and has already contributed to two wins. That might be credit to the team in general though since I’ve successfully defended all 8 battles this week.
Wow, wish my Myrrh had that, she’s -DEF/+RES which is not the worst but not that great either. Speaking of, I got another Ilyana yesterday with better IVs, +RES/-DEF. Way better than the +SPD one thats for sure though if I hadn’t gotten that one first and this is what I got instead I’d be fine with it. Sure she’ll be a bit frailer in terms of taking physical hits but thats nothing ward armor and distant/close defense can’t patch up. Yeah Tate’s gonna be hard to get thanks to the 4* pool in general being so large now, heck Shanna’s not easy to come by either.
You’re doing better on your AR-Ds than I am thats for sure, I’m lucky to get even one win much less win all 8 within the season.
May I suggest merging them to get rid of her Def bane? Unless you really want to give away any of her skills her base Def is more solid than it seems with the tome’s fury effect. Personally I would give her FD/R as well for an effective +9 to her defences.
As for Tate and her sister, you’re right with that. I have the former at +7 so only three more copies are needed, and around six of the latter waiting for the day when I have nothing else to build. Last night I dreamed about the return of the fabled 4* focus banners that’s been MIA since its first appearance. It was one of the better concepts the game had imo.
Way ahead of you there, lol. That was an instant thing I did when I got that new Ilyana. Probably not gonna fodder her off anytime soon, not till either my current one is +10 or I get a +ATK one and +10 that one, though the +10 part isn’t gonna happen anytime soon as I don’t have any money in my google account to buy orbs and whale for her so I’ve been pretty much yoloing whenever I get 5 orbs. As for her A skill since it’s open, I actually might give her Fury or a possible breath skill. Fury because more stats = super tanky mage and she’ll also hit like a truck at the cost of 12 HP which won’t bother me cause I like having a healer tag along to keep my team healthy. Or a breath skill cause why not? It’s be similar to what you suggest in Fortress Defense/Res but without the -3 attack loss. Plus double charge for her special.
Already have my Shanna at +10 as a 4* (she’s not getting 5*ed anytime soon) and I think my Tate is like +2 or +3 not 100% sure. I honestly don’t remember that banner though thats probably cause a different banner was up at the same time and that had my attention.
I went a similar route with L’Arachel. I like to have solid stat increases rather than combat buffs, so with LnD and the Fury effect she has a pretty crazy 63 Atk at only +2. Since her and Ilyana share the same weapon effect the build would be functionally the same except I’d go for defences rather than offences for Ilyana.
FD/R is definitely more expensive though, but the -2 Atk is negligible. Even at base she is a slower but tankier Halloween Henry, so I don’t see much value in adding to her Spd if you aren’t planning to go for an unconventional +Spd build, in which case she could reach a respectable number. But it’s true that you’d probably get more value out of stacking Fury, so maybe just go for the cheaper option.
Well L’Arachel’s defense and res aren’t all that great anyways so LnD is a good fine on her and she’s fairly fast so the extra speed’s fine on her. Yikes at that 63 ATK with only +2 merges by the way. >_>
True, the extra speed is nice for to not get doubled but it’s mostly the other three stats that fury buffs. Also it’s -3 not -2 for the fortress skills.
Oh. I was talking about FD/R3, meaning +6 Def/Res -2 Atk. If you mean the original skills then it’s absolutely not worth it. Fury is far more useful I’d say, or even the breath skills that you mentioned.
Ah, you mean Cliff’s A skill. My bad, that was a misread on my part. XD. I guess thats an ok skill for her.
I have no feelings for tap battle being gone I only did it once a month anyways but one of my friends is actually sad that it is gone as he enjoyed trying to beat all the difficulties. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Is it permanently gone though? Raven seems to be intentionally unclear on that point.
Good question. The mode is completely gone from events – not even greyed out. It would be reasonable to assume it is completely removed from the game for now.
They might bring it back in the future sometime, but who knows when – if ever.
Yeah, I feel as if they would’ve put out some sort of message if they intended to retire it for good. Personally I hope it’s gone though, it’s a waste of time and not what I play FE for.
I will miss Tap Battle so much! it was such a refreshing mode where you could actually hear special quotes from staff units or aoe ones, aside form being a rhytmic game of truly great music oh well
Am I the only one having trouble downloading the update? I mean I updated the game to 3.10, but when the game tries to download the new content, it gets stuck (at 88%, at 86%, and now at 6%) anyone encountered a similar issue?
This almost makes me want to play a mobile game. Almost. However, it still seems like a huge hassle and time sink. If nothing else hopefully there’ll be more Ilyana fanart.
I mean you don’t have to its a more downgrade of the mainline games with little events and modes at least you can get the art off the internet if you want and yeah I like when characters get some exposure for more art at least!
300 orbs and I failed to get Ilyana which was the primary unit I pulled for got (in no particular order) 2 D!Hector, 1 Dolza (which I kinda didn’t want), 1 Sue (which I didn’t have), 1 flying Nino, 1 Brave Celica, 1 Hardin, and an Exalted Chrom. All I really wanted was the hungry girl QQ
I know what you feel, with 400 Orbs I got:
3x Dozla, Exalt Chrom, Hardin, Reinhardt, Laevatin, Tate & H! L’Arachel;
But no Ilyana. Well, next year then~
Had only 85 orbs and got Owain and Ilyana. Better than nothing, uh?
Aww, I liked Tap Battle.
Well, managed to summon Brave Lucina from that banner. A lucky day for sure…
“The event starts today and runs for two days, ending at the usual reset time on 24 October”
Whoops XD
Correction I think: I believe Hilda grabs that last R spot as opposed to Leonie. I unfortunately do not yet play Cipher, so I am not 100% certain. Based on how the cards look though, I think am correct.
You’re correct, it was a typo on my part. Fixed!
Was Three Houses really “widely successful”, though? I thought it did okay, but didn’t exactly break any records in regards to sales numbers.
I bought this game because I didn’t care about the so-called censorship (really the only people upset over it are perverted pieces of shit who want to jack it to animu panties and tits–you’ll never see them complain about games that censor sexy content aimed at women or gay men). However it’s actually pretty boring and kind of dumb that half the female playable characters summon male Fire Emblem characters instead of female characters. Anyway I never finished it. I’ll probably still re-buy it on Switch just out of morbid curiosity.
Interestingly, the sprite of Ephriam for the sleeves seems to be new, in the style of more modern FE map sprites. I’m not saying this confirmed a Sacred Stones remake, but it’s interesting.
“The 3H portion of the set will primarily focus on Edelgard‘s story and its cards will feature advanced Crest powers.”
I can’t be the only one who noticed the irony in that.
We better get a Lorenz card this time
If I remember correctly, Conrad can also be seen in the trailer.
Yep! He’s the GHB unit.
Atk/Spd Bond 4 description is wrong
I want all of these heroes. How does one assure the summoning RNG is on their side? I mean, beyond making prayer circles and all.
Ah so the tap battle is back I wonder why it was “removed” before.
Got my girl Catria -Hp/+Atk yikes she’s amazing as usual!
Spent a few orbs and the tickets to see if I couldn’t get Thilque, but that’s it for me. Unless November gives us characters I really want (I will guarantee break for Gerik or Tethys), I’m gonna save up for when W!Tharja gets a rerun. She’s at +4, so it’s slowly getting there.
Ok I can see Ranulf putting up with it for a little bit but Lethe would be drawing the line and killing someone… probably the summoner.
I hope it can be useful:
https://i.ibb.co/j6DMx0m/Weekly-Revival-Schedule.jpg
Legendary Lief has been announced by accident
Now Legendary Leif has been officially announced
When was Colorless this good?
This is a good banner, I’ll gladly take everyone but Ryoma, Lucina and Azura cause I could care less about those three. Also you forgot to put Fallen Tiki under the colorless list as only Alm’s on there.
Thanks for the catch!
“When under player’s control, unit gains: “If unit initiates combat, foe cannot make a follow-up attack.”
This line is interesting. it indicates a certain power creep. There is no true PvP so it matters not but it is interesting to note.
It’s an interesting way of handling powercreep. Give players units with broken effects that only apply to them so that unit won’t potentially ruin the meta (they did a similar thing with Duo Hector’s skill being a player only thing). This might be an indication that they want to address a major grievance with AR defenses.
This looks like a good chance to score a couple Marisa, though I’ll likely get tricked by the other blues instead. Glad to see Leaf getting some focus as well even though I still only have one copy of his original version.
190 orbs netted me Tiki, Aqua, Alm, and Marisa. I’m happy I got one of the latter, but what makes this less of a disappointment is that I finally got a Tate. Now I only need two more to make her +10.
Fallen Tiki for my Free Summon. Quiet the success!
I..I just refined a Guard Bow+ for Gordin..And he gets a personal weapon announcement 2 days after..I..I…argh…
big oof. My condolences.
Not interested. People are constantly talking about how much they want remakes of games that are still playable. I’ve already played FE4/5/6, why would I want to play them again with shinier graphics and terribly translated character names? If anything, I’d much rather see effort put into VC versions of those titles.
As much as I love FE4, gameplay is where it suffers the most. They need to find a way to allow foot units to catch up with mounted units, weapon weight needs to balanced (axes, tome weight), rework the love system, and give the characters a personality. Thracia is fine, maybe make it not cryptic and change the caps from 20. Binding Blade needs to rework its cast in terms of gameplay, fix axe weapon accuracy, rework ambush spawns, clarify gaidens and the true ending. I wouldn’t call these games unplayable, but we have more standards now, so it would be best to remake these games.
FE4 is a game I respect greatly but don’t really enjoy playing that much. I’ve beat it a couple of times of the last two decades though. For me, FE5 is the pinnacle of FE in general, and the low caps are part of that. It’s the best way of avoiding an Awakening situation. What you have to keep in mind when discussing is that all games in the series has flaws. One thing that doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough is how many builds FE4 went through before it became finalised, and how cohesively all the new systems and random ideas still work together to form a perfectly functional game. The maps are huge though and because of this you simply cannot get away from the fact that mounted units are going to be more valuable than footlocked ones. It’s another example of resource-based gameplay. The only thing I would say is that I’m not the biggest fan of the map design itself which is what I personally love about the series, but I do like the concept of a giant battlefield with smaller skirmishes occuring on it.
As for FE6, you have to remember when and how the game was made. It was the start of a new era of FE, on a new system and with different design sensibilities. Not everyone played on their GBA like they did with their SNES. Changes had to be made. It was also the first game without Kaga on the team. For everything that could’ve gone wrong with it, it played like a dream and allowed for FE7 and 8 to be made on the same engine. There’s also a surprising amount of content in the game, with the chapters feeling different enough from each other which made the gameplay pretty great. Overall, I don’t feel as if this game gets the respect it deserves.
Still, the best argument you could’ve presented would’ve been that the games were never released in the west. I wouldn’t get my hopes up for any substantial changes after the trainwreck that is SoV tried to balance Gaiden by not only keeping the same shitty design philosophy, but also cutting out harmless exploits and making the game even more of a slog to play. That’s how I’d like it though. Like I wrote elsewhere, that amount of faithfulness would make other remakes actually worth something.
Most people have not played those games… given that they were not released outside of Japan.
Not everyone emulates, and a lot of people can’t sit through an old game (which I’m guilty of too sometimes). There’s also a lot of qol stuff the older games lack too. I agree with the general idea that I’m scared they’ll ruin the “good parts” of FE 4 though. But hey people demand THE REINHARDT and all for Fe 5, which is definitely most at risk of being messed with. Such as a playable Reinhardt.
Not necessarily. I’ve seen regular people emulate games on their phones for as long as smartphones have been capable of stable emulation. You’d be surprised at how many know where to find roms for emulation. Finding and applying a translation patch adds a couple of extra steps, but there’s sites out there who make prepatched roms readily available for those laymen who may not know how to use patchers. If people really are interested in playing the older titles, there is not much standing in their way other than personal misgivings.
If we do get a remake, I don’t want another SoV. Gaiden had archaic and bad designs that were due to hardware limitations and inexperienced developers. It is possible to preserve the spirit of the original while also refining or even drastically changing gameplay elements to meet the higher modern standards (RE2 Remake is a good example). Many of the ideas that originated from the Bronze age of FE (1-5) have been refined in later games. This is why SoV failed, it didn’t reimplement the refinements from 20+ of new games hindsight.
The worst thing about Echoes is that it was as straight of a remake it possibly could’ve been for about the only game in the series that needed something more. Echoes being as faithful as it was makes me optimistic of other remakes being actually good. I don’t want another New Mystery situation again.
New Mystery was fine imo. The Avatar parts were cheesy and sometimes cringey, but that’s about it. Shadow Dragon, on the other hand… The only way to see the new content is to suck at the game. And I still kind of like it because of its atmosphere.
Remember that the only reason they did that was because Book 2 of FE3 was pretty short and had a plot consisting of air. Still, outside of the tumor that is Kris I don’t think it’s too bad. It’s different enough from FE3 that it warrants a playthrough, and I think that’s my issue with it. The positive is that it was a remake of an already great game and thus managed to dodge the bad design of casual mode. But even then, the original is a classic way to enjoy the game that still holds up today. It’s such a cool slice of its era.
Fire Emblem Echoes: Elegy of Jugdral
Fire Emblem Echoes: Embers of Elibe
I’d love a remake of either of these. Hopefully it will be a combination of two (4+5 or 6+7).
I played Genealogy of the Holy War for the first time recently. I can see why people think it’s so great, but honestly it was a chore to finish. It’s so slow! It takes hours to go through the arena with everyone and drag every character across the enormous maps. A remake with modern day quality of life improvements like speeding up or skipping animations, auto battle to move all your units closer to your leader, and maybe even mounted units being able to give infantry units a lift would make it one of the best in the series for sure.
And Binding Blade, I didn’t like this one. So many borderline unusable units, same turn reinforcements, an overabundance of long-range tomes and status staves, cryptic true ending conditions, a lord that’s a liability most of the time and traps that are pure RNG as to whether you lose a character or not. I don’t blame them, it was their first attempt without Kaga. But it being remade with better design and turn rewinds would make it so much easier to enjoy. It could be bundled with FE7 where you unlock it after the main game so that it can still be kept relatively difficult.
I fear they’ll ruin what makes Fe 4 good. Never thought about the carrying infantry idea. That’d be a welcome change. There’s definitely a lot of qol things they can change but, again, there’s a lot of things they could change to “modernize” it in a bad way i’m scared about.
I used to be on board with a FE 6/7 bundle remake, but really it’s not practical. They’re both full games, and the generational mechanics people always propose only carries to like 5 characters in FE 6.
I put my money on a Binding-blazing remake, protagonists from both game have been in the top 2 in each year of choice your legend in fire emblem heroes so its has an established audience , also one of the developers admited that he would like to make a remake for Roy.
And; well, if it were a remake of both games, then it will be able to please people that want the marriage and kids mechanics back
While Roy is popular, I wouldn’t really say he’s established the way you do. Cause honestly, he’s only really popular cause of smash memes. Don’t get me wrong he has a fanbase, but only half of those people, at best, actually know what he’s like/played his game as opposed to “Roy’s our boy”.
Roy was popular in Japan after game release and was the number 1 in popularity in the said game (iirc), long befoore “smash memes” took off. Many of the people in the poll noted his maturity for his age.
Roy suffered a lot from lack of localization and proper translation of the game (and unreasonably late in-game promotion). He was definitely one of the most unique lords in the series in the sense that he is highly intelligent and cunning for his age (and knows how to play around with politics), even if he was secretly insecure about being forced in such a difficult position. The game goes out of its way many times to point out how much insight Roy has when confronted with difficult situations, often at Merlinus’s expanse (e.g. When Roy went to clear out the pirates in isles as a political deal, then a certain bard told Roy there are rumors that he was tricked and people were plotting things while he was away, people urged Roy to return quickly, but Roy opted to continue the task because if would be worse if he didn’t complete his deal and his father was in mainland, it would be rash to go back just because of rumors). In fact, many of the dangers that Roy got out of were thanks to Roy planning in advance, like sending a letter to Cecilia in advance because he foresaw the situation is likely to get bad.
There’s also a lot of Roy’s character that were locked behind support conversations, which is something that the remake should fix as well.
If you aren’t that interested in playing or replaying the game itself, I recommend at least giving this a read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/787p9w/bonding_blade_episode_53_roy_young_lion/dorn45j/
Really digging for the Binding Blade remake. I really hope they fix my boi Roy and his promotion along with the abysmal supports.
While I was annoyed at another Ephriam at first, he’s a Duo so that’s fine I guess. Glad to see the others here. Gerik is one of my favourite Mercenaries in the series, and I totally called Tethys using daggers if she was ever in Heroes. Like Ewan’s voice, too.
You know technically speaking, this is also a Lyon alt even though he’s more like a permanent “pair up” for Ephraim like kid Lillina is to Halloween Hector.
I hope roy gets a remake. his game was never official released here. i love echoes and it is at top with 3 houses for me
Ghast will be happy to see his boy finally being added to heroes XD
They still have to announce the rest of Three Houses DLCs and we don’t know how much replayability they will add (in a game with four routes to follow). I think it’s too early to announce a new game, even if it’s a remake.
Still, I hope they eventually release those two, though, Binding Blade first so Holy War can learn of possible mistakes and be more polished. That game deserves the best.
This is a good banner, I’m really glad that IS/Nintendo are moving away from Awakening/Fates for a little while since those two have had so much attention lately. Not that I’m saying thats a bad thing, more like its annoying how much attention they’ve gotten compared to the other games.
Um, they’ve moved away from Awakening and Fates for a while now. In 2019, there’s been one dedicated Awakening banner, and two Fates banner (Jan and Feb btw). There has also been 5 Fates heroes added in a non-Fates dedicated set.
If anything, Telius has been getting the most attention with 3 dedicated banners, and 6 heroes added in non-dedicated sets. Granted, two of those banners were adding beast units, but so was one of Fates’s.
So maybe don’t complain about a non-issue?
I meant over the entirety of the game as a whole. Up till now Fates had the most characters with Camilla having the most alts (and she still does thanks to her getting her brave alt recently).
You said “those two had so much attention lately” which implies recency, when the opposite is true. Lately the attention has predominately been on the other games. Also, Lyn is tied with Camilla for most alts, they both have 6 total versions in the game.
This year yes thats true but the last two years have been nearly all of Awakening and Fates. And Lyn is not tied with Camilla for alts, Camilla has one more than Lyn therefore having the most alts at 7. I think you forgot to count one amongst Camilla’s alts plus her normal self and if you aren’t counting either Camilla or Lyn’s normal self then Camilla STILL has more at 6 to Lyn’s 5. Lets see here, for Lyn counting her normal self she has Bride, Valentine, Brave, Legendary and Summer meanwhile Camilla has along with her normal self, Spring, that Dream self which honestly I’m not sure what to title her as, Summer, New Years, Hot Springs and Brave.
Yeah, you’re right about Camilla alts, I miss counted.
“Last two years,” hasn’t the game only be out for like 2 year and a half? Can I not go a single month without seeing someone unironically complain about Awakening/Fates characters? Since the second year of FEH, Elibe has been getting more attention, and Telius in year 3.
This is the internet, you’ll always see someone bitching about something no matter what. I did say that Awakening/Fates getting characters in wasn’t a bad thing just annoying favoritism before this year and I’m honestly just happy IS/Nintendo are gonna put them on the back burner for a little bit thats all.
Only really want Gerik from this banner, but since Cormag will be free I think I’ll just skip it entirely. L’Arachel and Marisa went off with all my orbs anyway.
Hey, everyone. Here’s important info about Ephraim (and Lyon):
The Dynastic Duo will most likely only be available for limited periods of time. In other words, they most likely won’t permanently be added to the summoning pool after this banner ends. Yes, really! (I was shocked to know that, too!) If you don’t believe me, then read the fine print near the end of the video. It seems that all Duo Heroes will get the Special/Legendary/Mythic Hero treatment. (Tethys, Gerik, Ewan, and Ross will be permanently available, though.)
So what’s the purpose of the Sauna? Stat boosts?
“Improved results from faculty training and instruction this moon” (and builds a bit of support between the two characters). Don’t know how Byleth’s boosts are affected when going in the sauna multiple times though.
“Revised some text.”
Sweet, what did they censored, this time?
YGS
I hope wave 4 make it so characters with unique designs on early class mounts apply to the advance ones too ie Ingrid and Leonie this shouldn’t be hard at all PLEASE!
I definitely second this!!!
“Fixed a bug that accidentally turned students who aren’t from the protagonist’s house into allies in Chapter 1: Three Houses.”
“Fixed a bug that caused Dimitri’s face to sometimes display incorrectly.”
Does anyone have footage of either of those?
Byleth’s evening wear should have been her default outfit, imo. It looks classy and refined, while still being a pretty outfit.
Also, we can now pet the animals. This game has gone from nearly perfect to perfect, imo xD
and im still poor AF to get this *Sobs*
imma hold off from this banner the Halloween L’Arachel stole my orbs
Excellent, so far I can just save my money this Set, I don’t like Edelgard or really most of 3H and Yellow is almost guaranteed a pass assuming we don’t get another Ishtar card.
Because Female Kana really needed an updated weapon. I’ll just continue to wait for Narcian, then…
It seemed more logical to do all the Book 1 units before any of the new ones to begin with. Then again, the refines themselves also get progressively better, so older units benefit more from getting one later one.
cries in kleineRIP Takumi
Hmm, if Valkire really is in the game with this 4th wave of DLC it’s likely to be female only as it has been in past Fire Emblems minus the Tactician class in Fates which is similar but is unisex. Since Fire Emblem does have a tendency to use various mythological characters and creatures (dragons being a European myth creature and the Gorgon and Cyclops in SS being the Greek myth creatures) it would stand to reason that the Valkire class is female only since she is a female Norse mythological character who serves the Norse God Odin.
I don’t want more gender exlusive classes especially if all of the new ones are female only. Like bruh, males get shafted when it comes to a Gremoryesque class while the girls get shafted when it comes to a War Master class. The boys can’t even ride Pegasi. I think Dark Flier should be gender neutral to reflect it is not the normal Pegasi IMO. Sadly that probably will not happen.
Well the girls also can’t access Dark Mage (a class Lysithea would LOVE to be in but can’t), Dark Bishop and Hero along WITH War Master and they don’t have a class that focuses on brawling (not counting Enlightened One for F!Byleth since it has brawl as a focus weapon type not to mention thats a personal class anyway). Honestly the girls deserve more classes for them only since the guys have way more as is.
Also just realized that I said Tactician for Fates but it’s actually Strategist since Tactician is a foot unit not a horse one.
I really hope the four new characters come with Timeskip designs with them would be nice! But wouldn’t shock me if they don’t Constance gives me a stoic vibes from her line which sounds badass which I’m already liking potential right there! Balthus looks as close to getting someone close to Holst level which is cool#
Hmm,,, weird thing but I’m kinda sad that none of these characters are shaping up to be the Gatekeeper. like realistically i knew it wasnt really that feasible he’d become playable but i have such a weird and strong love for him, it wouldve been REALLY cool! alas… Yuri does sound like that kind of character i’d love to deploy though, so <3 since they're DLC characters, i really hope they're S-supportable too!
There’s nothing weird about it. Gatekeeper is the best npc in the game and we need more of him.
I still want that deer mounted class seen in some of the murals.
I was hoping for some master classes but oh well
Small typo, but below Lucia’s shown off new artwork, the name displayed is “Lecia.” Just wanted to point it out so it could be corrected.
Otherwise, man cipher art always looks good as ever.
Thanks! I’ll get that fixed up. 🙂
IF ANYTHING, I WISHED THEY COULD REMAKE EVERY GAME, INCLUDING MARTH’S SO THEY CAN DO IT JUSTICE!
So, is this the end then? Of FEH? I don’t expect it to be revived for a fourth book..
They won’t let go of free money that easily.
Uh, why in the world would you say that? The game ain’t ending anytime soon.
Not to mention that achievements for Book 4 are already in Google.
Ah, really? A pity.. Since they won’t be fixing the summoning I was kinda hoping it would be over soon.. Now I’ll just have to keep playing. What’s the next level they’re going to add besides Legendary and Mythic though? Omnipotent?
Cool banner overall. Expected to see Percival in the
firstlast FE6 one so I’m ready to put some orbs in the offer pool for him this time around. Igrene though… My last playthrough was at the beginning of the year and I have no memories of her being that busty, even in the full render. That’s just how it goes I guess.Nice, wasn’t even aware there was another banner coming out. Gonna have to get used to Lalum’s officially translated name, though thats probably cause I’ve watched SnakeMomMelissa’s replay of Binding Blade cause its so funny to what happens in it Garet kills Zephiel with a hand axe at 10%.
Please, fix the notification about Brunnya. She will be a Tempest Trial unit, not a Grand Hero Battle unit. You guys even shared the official twitter notification, but made a mistake here.
The ever accelerating powercreep has really made playing this game stop being fun…
And yeah, time to level up some 4* Raigh I guess…
Then you should reevaluate what you’re playing this game for. Powercreep has never been a factor that has bothered me since not only is it unavoidable, but it’s easy to play around. One thing being stronger than something else doesn’t make the worse thing bad, especially in a game with no true PvP. I’m only focusing on my favourites, which consists of a lot of Book 1 units as well as only two armours, and I’m still near the top in both arena and AR.
I’m not really playing that much, but I’ve found it harder and harder to do things anymore. Bad luck and not spending money make the effect of powercreep more and more noticable.
I suppose you’ve heavily invested in your favorites, I’ve not bothered to work towards making 5*+10 units etc. much, and yes, before you tell me I’m playing it wrong, I don’t think I should have to.
I’m only saying this as I consider how playable this game would be coming into it as a new player.
I’m not “upset” or anything similarly silly about not being able to reach a high arena/AR rank etc. because obviously I would have to build a team for that that’s optimized. (I’m comfortably going between 18-19, very rarely going to 20 and I’m good with that)
Just that casually playing the game has become continually less fun as powercreep continues.
Snatched a Percival on my first 5 orbs and another one followed 40 later, so I’ll gratefully bow out of this banner.
Remember when IS said they were taking measures to prevent power creep?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
“Some FE voice actors were included in this batch, but not for their performance in FE”
No Chris Hackney’s Dimitri is a crime.
Indeed.
Getting snubbed in the Best Music category sucks too.
*Twiddling thumbs while patiently waiting for news about the “Three Houses” version of FE:Fate’s Revelations where everyone realizes there’s a bunch of assholes pulling all the strings behind the main story.*
*Reads DLC Roadmap*
*Nervously twiddles thumbs harder.*
Will there possibly be merchandise preorders online like last time? I’d love to go but don’t think I can make it…
Aaaaagh the curse of not having the money to go to Japaaaaaan
Frick, these look awesome. I may have to forfeit my box this set and pick something else up.
Dammit I really want to pull but all I got is 50 orbs
The banner ends on December 4th, so there are a lot of orbs to get: MHB orbs, TT Log-in, New Heroes Log-in, VG Log-in, Arena, Allegiance Battles (this season is orbs the rewards), Tap Battle, weekend orbs, VG orbs, December Orbs… Maybe you can get them all and summon in the last day of the banner.
Either way, good luck!
Nice, I’m definitely gonna be trying for Altina since I already have her descendant Sanaki as well as her “successors” to Ragnell and Alondite Ike (both normal and Legendary), Zelgius/Black Knight. Her being a flying unit kind of caught me off guard cause I didn’t notice what type she was until I read her personal skill and had to double check. XD
Definitely gonna try getting all the red orb characters but I’m gonna be try for another L!Lyn cause my current one has absolute crap for IVs in -SPD/+Def, bleh. I’m also gonna try for another L!Kid Tiki cause she’s -Atk/+SPD which is just as bad as Lyn’s terrible IVs.
I wonder if she’s going to be a slow trueblade..
Would be the funniest thing one of the, if not the most, faster classes of the franchise.
I got Altina and L!Marth!
Knocked out the rest of the TT to get orbs and it took everything I had just to get Altina. I’m happy to get it but sad I’m tapped out again with Christmas around the corner.
Purple Hair, does this make Mia a descendant of her? I mean, look!
Wields Swords, Long Hair, Side boobs, likes a calm man.
I mean maybe but I think a branch of the Apostle family would be known. However Mia is originally from Begnion according to the art book I think and its been many years so perhaps.
Does anyone know how to translate japanese that can help me with regards to getting tickets?
if it’s anything like tickets can only be bought inside Japan, but tickets are only need for stage and gallery, you can turn up and buy stuff in the Goods section if you want. Get ready to queue a lot though
a fairy huh? ….interesting *think*
Trying the test mode I slapped together a team and I kinda destroyed the Advanced version. Will have to wait and see if it gets harder on the higher tiers but I would be shocked if that isn’t the case. Seems fun but its starting to feel more then a little bloated with timed game modes. I mean we just had “Heroes Draft” and I enjoyed that and we haven’t heard when that’s going to make a return.
Best updates are the QOL skill changes and the Arena scoring changes.
The new mode is a “wait and see” addition, AR was rad at first, but quickly devolved into a stale and toxic meta. Granted that inherent to PvP, so this PvE might turn out nice. However, what was that mode a long time ago that got canned quickly due to player dissatisfaction with how inflated they made enemy stats? I’m worried this mode could quickly devolve into something like that (or it just be stupid easy).
Mjolnir’s strike looks like Galeforce is going to actually be valuable to me again, plus I can spam two glass cannon Units without worrying about them getting wasted Enemy Phase? Yes please, I’m down for an excuse to play around with Rhajat again. In addition, I’m pretty much going to have to use Ishtar every battle for this, she was throwing Mjolnir around long before FEH Thorr tried to waltz in here.
Book IV looks substantially less interesting than Book III judging on the intro vid – I mean, yeah, sure, the background music is fitting and all, but whatever they had playing during Book III’s intro vid was epic and this just doesn’t give the same feel, not to mention the animation for the whole thing looked a little jankier to me. Also don’t think us YGO players didn’t notice that Key Art is basically just drawing off the Dream Mirror archetype with that dark castle in the sky mirroring the light castle on the ground, or the fact that Peony is basically Ikelos the Dream Mirror Sprite. While I’m here, can I just say I can already hear the internet shipping Peony and Sharena off just the Key Art alone?
Trying to figure out who Maiko “is” if anyone given the weapons my first instinct is actually Eir from Heroes. Other then that removal of the protag from the main party in the second playthrough is nice. Still no word on the Western censorship yet though. Most likely isn’t going to revert back but still interested.
It’s not just Western censorship, pretty sure Japan is getting the same censored version the West is getting. This caused a bit of a stir amongst Japanese fans who then bought up the WiiU version in mass.
it was reported that they were getting the same censorhip version
aw… i was hoping at least the jp version is spared from the censorship…
I remember using the Atlus Collaboration DLC costumes a lot when I first played. I think I had Itsuki in the DeSU2 Protag outfit more than his actual outfit.
Also, the three “support” character’s Sessions seem to be addressing an issue with those moves in the first game: you kinda had to plan what order party members learned Session skills if you didn’t want to mess things up (Overwriting one skill could end up turning a 6 chain into a 3) and it was really hard to plan them for all possible party combinations. Having generalised “bridging” Sessions that link to any magic or any weapon attack might solve that issue.
I really like the joined art. It features all of the Gen 2 kids. Interesting how Lene of all people got more of a body shot. I wonder why…
I really, REALLY want that Sigurd/Deirdre poster. If it’s a card, Screw S17, I’m going to be spending for whichever pack that card will be in when I’m in Japan in late December.
The Sigurd/Deirdre art is from an HR card that will be available in S19, which comes out this week. If you’re going to Japan late December, it should be pretty easy to find as a single in card shops.
Ok so this rerelease is already smarter then Persona 5 Royal’s release was by including DLC that you needed to pay for in the original for free without a extra download.
those look cool. where can i buy it outside of japan?
Sadly, it’s quite hard to buy these outside Japan. You’ll need really good friends in Japan, some kind of proxy service or *shudder* buy them from re-sellers. I do wish Intelligent Systems sold more of these products on their online store. There’s a decent chance (but no guarantee) that the karuta will be sold online later.
I have some of the keychains and tapestries for sale.
Link?
I don’t have them listed online, but I’ve got:
– Comiket 95 Tiki tapestry
– female Byleth tapestry
– Edelgard tapestry
– male Byleth keychain
– Bernadetta keychain
– Lysithea keychain
– Lorenz keychain
– Sothis keychain
My prices are about the same as other sellers online.
I would love to get:
– female Byleth tapestry
– Edelgard tapestry
– Bernadetta keychain
– Lysithea keychain
– Sothis keychain
if possible.
Is there a way for us to private message? I can give you prices in the PM and you can decide if you still want them. I’m importing them from Japan so they will arrive in about 3 weeks.
Can you please email me at [email protected]?
I’ll delete this message in about 10 mins so even a quick hi will work.
Ahhhh!! Thanks for the info! I’m going to this Comiket, and I can’t wait to buy this awesome stuff! I wish I knew what sizes the parkas were…
Man, I left Japan last week after living there for almost 3 years. Looking at the items, I really want the fan boxes, Karuta, Domiteriors, and the A3 stand. Hope everyone who goes to Comiket enjoy your time. Stay warm and hydrate.
Damn another shot at Tanith but I feel Pent is just gonna pity break me like he did the other 3 times I got a 5 star blue on that banner
-most sensible thing is to hold onto your Orbs-
Me: Oh dang Summer Lilina and Picnic Flora I’m going in hard
-only one Red Stone-
-4S Eliwood-
Me: Oh. Eh, you know what, we’ll pick one more, how about…
-Bikini Ursula-
Me: HOT DANG
Oh look, working on unique reclasses and we still don’t seem to have Vanguard Mist incoming. Also gosh dangit 3H, now I’m going to have to save for S21 only to get a bunch of 3H crap instead of the Elibe things I’ll actually want.
This is why I’m seriously considering switching to buying singles instead of boxes for some sets. S19 is perfect for me because Genealogy and 3H are two of my favourite games, but I’m seriously over Fates and will be skipping S20 and instead buying singles for Tellius cards that I want. Sometimes the combos are good, but sometimes it’s just too much depending on the titles offered.
This has my interest, I have the original game (got it at a Flea Market when I went to Florida with my parents, Niece and Nephew to Lego Land), haven’t beaten it yet though I’m close to the end. I’m not one for pop music or music in general but this game is interesting since it has some scenes that are pretty amusing to say the least and the songs are pretty catchy, but then again these songs are Japanese pop songs so of course they’re gonna be rather catchy.
I’m honestly curious as to who Maiko and Barry’s Mirages are, honestly with that little see-through cloth mask Maiko has on her face I was thinking Azura but thats not likely since I believe the original came before Fates iirc so Azura wasn’t a likely candidate for a potential Mirage. Barry is a little harder to figure out since his original Mirage is now Mamori’s though if I had to guess, it’s likely another Knight class character because of the armor.
Tempted to get Nino so I have the set when the Tempest Trail comes out. God Jaffar in Reindeer antlers I can’t wait to see the full artwork.
estoy tan feliz que lo reconocieron / IM SO HAPPY YEAH Fire emblem Should be GOTY
Map Cleared!
I guess there wasn’t much competition for strategy games.
There’s that, but the primary thing that put the game on the front foot is the Switch having such a large install base. It’s accessible, does a good job of easing new players in, and plays out more like a JRPG. These things pay off for the general audience.
Wargroove I’d say is better purely from the “is a strategy game” perspective but 3H is overall the better experience.
Whelp I know who I’m going after. Gunning for Nino the most. I honestly didn’t recognize Zephiel at first till he was shown off and this is his 18 year old self too. I think I’m gonna die of laughter when I see Jaffar in that suit that Nino most likely convinced him to wear cause I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be caught dead in such a suit but he likely did it to make Nino happy, cause her being happy = less awkwardness for him since he’s not used to such emotions like sadness.
Anyways this is a good banner that I’m honestly happy with, Sothis, Marth and Elice are a bit out of place since this looks like it would’ve been a FE 7 banner considering Nino and Zephiel are on it and Jaffar is a Tempest Trial unit but I’m not gonna complain cause Eliwood, Lyn and Hector all got alts recently and they definitely need to be put on the back burner for a while in terms of getting alts. Would’ve also been nice if the Christmas units were something other than armors.
Is it weird that I had no idea who the blonde guy was until I saw the name? I was thinking Seigbert, Xander or even Dimitri. I guess it’s because this looks older than FE7 Zephiel but obviously younger than FE6 Zephiel, basically mid-teens Zephiel, which is an age we’ve never seen him at.
Not necessarily true, those who’ve play FE 7 know what Zephiel looks like as a young adult. It’s also where we see his younger half sister Gwenevere as a child. Unless of course you’re talking about in Heroes then yeah thats true.
Well Strategy Games are pretty dead as a ganre sadly, barely anyone still makes them, which is a true shame, since they’re among my favorite genre. So Fire Emblem didn’t have much competition. It would have seriously suprised me if they hadn’t won. I’d like to see the game awards if a X-Com and Fire Emblem game ever released in the same year though.
M!Byleth looks weird in Sothis’ dress, F!Byleth looks fine in it. But then again any guy would look weird in a dress.
So far, the expansion pass is pretty bad and I’m glad that I haven’t bought it yet.
Hopefully, the new story actually delivers.
Im guessing the new dungeon is a Labyrinth of Amala type dungeon you complete throughout the game or theres a new chapter, which both would be cool and maybe do something to give some more story stuff to the characters. I always did feel TMS ended a bit too soon.
“No English voice-overs”
And that confirms that I’ll be saving my money once again. Not going to excuse their laziness.
alot of people would prefer japanese dubs anyways. tho i wish we had both
Both would be nice. I also wish they’d subtitle the battle chatter as well if they’re not going to an English dub. I know the battle chatter isn’t plot significant, but I do think it adds to the characters’ characterization and it’s the main thing that annoys me when voiced games don’t provide an English version of the voices. If it weren’t for the unsubbed battle chatter in games like this, I’d probably prefer the Japanese voices like I do with anime.
While English voiceovers for the battle chatter would be nice, I’d be fine with subtitles instead since they are mostly one-liners.
Not having voice acting in a given language isn’t really ever a case of laziness, it’s a case of budgetary concerns. No company is thinking, “Well, there’s nothing stopping us from putting in English voice acting, but we’d rather sit around the office watching Simpsons reruns.” The issue is whether they have the resources to record and implement new voice work, and whether doing so would be worth it — whether localized voices would help move the product in a significant way. Given that this is a re-release of a recent, already very niche game, I can’t say the call made here is unexpected.
To be clear, I’m not saying you should or should not buy it. Not making a purchase because of a lack of English voice acting is a perfectly valid decision. Just try to understand the actual reasons for the situation.
also jp music folks are nuts
Guys I think you have made a bit of mistake in the blue units because that shouldn’t be Nagi but Naga. ( I don’t mean anything bad. I just find it funny.)
Nice banner, would’ve been even nicer if L!Alm was on it too. I think I’ll be summoning everyone on this banner cause theres a few I don’t have (Hrid, F!Grima, Claude and Dimitri) and some that I do have but could really use a second one of to get rid of a bad ivs (Ike, Roy, Thrasir, Naga and Edelgard, getting a second Peony and Eir would be nice too).
I’d like to get Edelgard. I still haven’t pulled her.
Well good luck then.
Thanks. And good luck to you too.
Thanks, hopefully some Christmas luck will come to us both but I’ve a feeling it won’t for me unfortunately. Only time I got stupid lucky and snagged a bunch of 5*s was in October and I’d chalk that up to birthday luck (October 19th being the bday I’m the big 30 now, my youngest nephew was also born on that day).
dangen entertainment?
oof
they’ve been known to stiff devs and one of the higher ups is a massive sex pest apparently
the game is free, but the translation is not? No thanks
this is literaly the inverse of fan-translation, which some people do it for free
Well I got both Dimitri and Edelgard so I completed the three houses “protags” list but I wanted Thrasir as I missed her the last time… which my roommate got 3 of when he wanted Queen Celica.
So yeah Duo Alfonse & Sharena’s duo skill seems to be lowering the special counter so they can start the vicious cycle of Bonfire/Sol-Stat Boost-Special Spiral right away without needed to attack anyone first.
It took them long enough too! They’ve been telling us it will be available in 2019 for over a year and now it’s available just five days away from 2020!
English Version is now available on Steam Store for $19.99: https://store.steampowered.com/app/694770/Vestaria_Saga_I_War_of_the_Scions/
On the soundtrack DLC page it currently says: *Please note: This DLC package currently includes only the 8-BIT MUSIC VERSION. The PIANO ARRANGEMENT and original tracks will be added automatically to the DLC package upon their completion! Tracks are in MP3 format. Any idea when those piano tracks will be added? And that 4-page English booklet will be available as a digital download or not for the DLC?
Unfortunately, I don’t know when the piano and original tracks will be available. You may have to ask the publisher.
For the English booklet, that is only included in the 70 track soundtrack CD. The booklet has a track list and comments about the CD, so it would be pretty useless for the 21 track digital soundtrack.
looking forward to see El smash the King of Delusions
Will serene forest do a guide like bear and tear saga?
This aged pretty well.
It’s interesting to compare this thread to the translated game.
Three Houses definitely made a strong impression with me. I rank it my 2nd favorite in the franchise, only behind Sacred Stones. 😀
As for TMS, well what it is is a game that still won’t be English dubbed, hence why I will pass a second time on it.
Perhaps the dub was cost-prohibitive for a niche title like this. I’ll buy it a second time to pick up your slack 🙂
I care about consistency. Unless the songs are also dubbed into English, they certainly should only speak Japanese. Otherwise another jarring situation like with Stella Glow will be unavoidable.
I don’t think the game fully harmonised the fanbase, but what it did do is taking one step in the right direction of mending the damage Awakening caused. There’s still a lot of fair weather fans that are disappointed with 3H because it’s not like the 3DS entries, and that’s primarily because they’re not there for the gameplay to begin with. Hopefully the next couple of entries will shake off the waifu culture even more. I think 3H did a decent job in that regard.
3houses is amazing. perfect mix for me for old and new. one of my favorite fire emblems now with awakening, sacred stones, and echoes
I’ve been waiting on Altenna for a long time, and judging by her skills, she might even demote. I will pray.
Yeah she doesn’t seem to have anything “special” about her other then her Lance (and maybe being the first lance Wyvern) so heres hoping.
Valter: Am I nothing to you?
There’s also Cormag. But he’s probably talking about the series as a whole.
That makes more sense.
YES CED FINALLY!!!
…And he doesn’t look nearly as OP as Lewyn. That’s a shame. Larcei looks pretty good though. (And lol, I was going to complain about her portrait looking like just a hair-swap of Ayra… until I realized that’s pretty much what it was in the original game)
Repeating the same mistake they did with Ayra and have it be a double red feature…at least with this both seem to be busted.
more of my fav fe yay
Oh yeah, the 3rd anniversary is coming up soon. Here’s hoping that it’ll be better than last year’s…though I highly doubt it will be.
Do you recommend pre-ordering the CD? I don’t know if it will run out of stock quickly. I am really excited for this as the last Premium Arrange was absolutely beautiful. I simply cannot wait for the FE3H tracks especially the remix of the Battle of the Eagle and Lion track.
This is really neat. Makes me sad we didn’t get a Fire Emblem Warriors banner when we had the chance though.
TMS came out first. I say don’t give up because this proves they’re putting spin-offs in FEH. Patience, friend. 🙂
Can’t say I’m surprised by this banner since the port for the Switch comes out Friday so this banner is most likely for promoting it. Kind of wish they did that with Warriors when it came out though we did get those maps but beggars can’t be choosers. I’m gonna try for all the girls, don’t really care for Tharja herself but Kira is pretty cool. And I’m pretty Isuki’s weapon is most definitely gonna a mirage weapon like the girls’ weapons, it would be rather out of place (not to mention dumb) for them to screw him over like that.
Also you made a goof with Mamori, you have her classed as axe infantry but she’s actually a axe armor.
He also mistake with Blade Session; it should be “If unit initiates combat, grants bonus to unit’s Atk/Spd during combat = 3 + number of allies who have already acted x 3 (max value of 9).”
So he did, didn’t notice that myself XD.
finally the game’s ost
I’ll admit it makes me a little happy to see that of all the variations of the academy uniforms they could have chosen to base the outfit on, they chose Annette’s, who I consider an extremely underrated character. So that’s nice.
Still not getting the game though.
Harsh.
Same, dodging this game as well for probably different reasons.
Veteran returning to showbiz. might not get it right away but will get it eventually. Will just have to power through the “True Self” silliness.
I knew it was only a matter of time before TMS characters got into Heroes.
between this news and the announcement trailer for the 4th wave of DLC, this is a big day for fans of fire emblem!
Oh boy, it’s not like the FE series already gets more than enough vitriol by other fanbases…
Its so stupid…..people don’t complain about Mario or Pokemon in representation(and don’t give me the “bigger franchise” excuse) that’s why the smash community is the most toxic even more than other notable series.
I’m so ready for all the salt and memes XD
I was prepared to wait another month for a reveal. Still need to beat last 3 chapters of maddening for that title screen
These guys seem very out of place… fittingly… but Three Houses has surprised me before.
yuri and balthus are so beautiful its ridiculous.. they are a great addition to the cast!!! im sooo exciteddd
IntSys I am BEGGING you to let me be gay with Constance oh my god
I don’t know they could do half and half for both genders Yuri honestly screams an option we’ll see if that continues here.
wasn’t there some data mine about it being true for Yuri? I would have preferred Balthus for some diversity in types, yet, romances have such a small impact in this title anyway so I’m fine. Still happy about these characters!!
Hmm….never heard about that part if true I can see why lol at least we’ll find out pretty soon!
Datamine says it’s only Yuri, which makes sense as he’s based off of a character from a previous Fire Emblem game that was gay(?) I believe instead of bisexual. Leon from Fire Emblem Echoes at least appearance wise.
There being another same sex love interest for male Byleth makes sense as female Byleth already had more than him and more s-supports overall. It’s good that they’re giving him a chance to kind of catch up by making the new girls and one of the guys for him. It would be cool if he could S-support Balthus too but can’t win them all I guess.
Yeah better balance, not every character has to be glorified to Bi because they’re an Avatar character and give more to Male Byleth for those that want more same S Supports for him.
Constance is straight, according to DeathChaos25. Yuri goes both ways though
I really hope these guys have timeskip designs to see if they went an extra mile for them. Definitely going for Constance she’s so pretty and want to know her!
Could be wrong, but it’s very possible that they have timeskip design changes.
This is weird evidence but if you look at the Three Houses Female Generic Class Model Chest Size Modifier list, Constance has 2 values listed for her chest size (in part 1 of the game vs. part 2).
All other characters with 2 listed values also have timeskip design changes. And all characters with only 1 value listed have no such design changes (Byleth, Manuela, Shamir, Catherine, Flayn, and Anna).
Ooh neat can’t wait!!!!
I like it! I’m always happy with more FireEmblem content, buuut I’m also afraid of all the hate one will get for liking Byleth… The life chat at the reveal was disgusting. Not easy to be a fan there.
Damn, this is coming out right in the middle of my exams.
Looks cool, but the whole “super-secret fourth house living in the school underground all the time” thing sounds kinda dumb. They better have a good explanation for this.
They probably will don’t worry!
Sounds like something out of a fan fiction but then again so does a lot of the games writing lol
Anyone else is getting Vampire Night flashbacks with the day classes wearing black uniforms and the hidden, night classes wearing white? xD
Anyway, I am curious about these new guys but I’m not really fan of the white-violet combo. Especially with exposed skin of Hapi and Balthus + Hapi’s extra saturated pink hair. Yuri and Constance designs are top++++. I hope we get another Maribelle quality in the girl ♥
the sega capcom light gun game?
I think they meant Vampire Knight. It’s an anime that came out over 10 years ago.
Hilda’s spirit is labelled “Hilda (Fire Emblem)”. Who was the other Hilda spirit? (Although technically there’s two Hildas from Fire Emblem, but I doubt we’ll be seeing the FE4 one any time soon)
Most likely Hilda from A Link Between Worlds.
Link Between Worlds
So, then, does it make more sense to complete the second play-through I’m on now (chapter 7) and start up a third for this DLC or wait for this, play the DLC, and then move forward?
I’m in the same boat for my playthrough too. I think I’ll just wait to finish it after this releases.
Complete it. My personal guess is that this DLC will be an alternate route that replaces the entire first half of the game.
This releases in about a month, so I would advise you to finish unless you want to wait until then.
Keep playing! You can finish it by the 12th. I’m on my 5th playthrough right now and I’m gonna keep going too.
I’m glad this seems to be a safe place to be hyped! They look really fun and I can’t wait to try them out. I really enjoyed this character pass, never a dull character pick, in my opinion!
Waaait, I just noticed the spirit board. This is the first time we got full illustrations of the other units, right?
I still have that art book, haven’t looked at in quite a while but its nice to have.
I missed out on this game the first time around since I was in college and did not have money for it. So excited to pick it up tomorrow! I played Persona 5 for the first time last year and that was the first Persona/SMT game I played and I loved it.
Ah that makes sense that its a separate file kinda thing glad to finally know how it’ll get integrated into the game!
so no new game plus? rip
i think it can be ng+ once you complete it where you can recruit the new characters but dont take my word for it its just what i think from reading it
I’m liking the sound of this. Hopefully it will be linear with only minor exploration between chapters.
I hope items carry over as well. I’m honestly surprised the DLC is separate, but I guess this is better for all those who’ve already cleared every path in the base game!
The whole premise of this setup sounds super cheesy and contrived. Hopefully the characters are fun and gameplay solid.
Obviously it’s too early to say, but I agree for the most part. It seems super out of nowhere. Three Houses story is fine, so I have hope it’ll be “ok” at worst. However, the character designs, while not bad, are pretty alarming to me.
Here’s a tip I wish I knew early on. There’s an easy-to-miss sidequest obtained by talking to the Arena receptionist from BEHIND the counter. (Talking in front of the counter gives you the arena menu) This quest is the only way to get the Locktouch skill, which you will later need because there aren’t enough keys for all the locked chests in the game.
Also, you can skip Ad-Lib Perfomances and supermoves by pressing… on the Wii U it was A and B, don’t know what it is on the Switch.
Another thing of note: later on in the game you get Master Seals to promote your Mirages into advanced classes. Each Mirage has two options, and each gets exclusive weapons and skills. But it’s not a choice you’re locked in to. If you use another Master Seal, you can switch between promotions. (I’d recommend going Dark Knight with Cain first, because it’s the fastest way to get Debilitate.)
Like SMT4A, learning a skill you already have gives you a +1 version of the skill. They go all the way up to +9, so repeatedly re-forging a weapon can be useful. But I generally find it’s better to learn the next tier up than to +9 a low-tier skill. (I could be wrong though)
Speaking of skills, Fog Breath and War Cry are in this game. Anyone who’s played SMT games should know how good they are.
Give Ellie Skill boosting items. One of Viron’s supers is an all-targeting attack with a chance of instant death based on Skill, and it’s extremely important for the superboss fight if you plan on doing that. (Yes, this game has a superboss. And it’s just as brutal as typical Atlus superbosses.)
Ok I’m curious about the getting friendly with Tsubasa thing, is that Switch exclusive or is it possible on the Wii U version? I have the Wii U version (it’s actually the first SMT game I’ve ever actually played) and didn’t know anything about it much less SMT as a whole.
It was in the Wii U version too. Thing is, Tsubasa’s affection is so easy to raise that it’s pretty hard to miss her unique skill without intentionally trying.
Huh, well gonna have to keep that in mind if I ever get around to finishing the Wii U version and start a NG+. Thanks for confirming.
I wonder if I still get the special titel screen if I beat a maddening run with the DLC side-story.
It doesn’t look as if there’s an option for Maddening in the screenshot.
What I mean is if you won’t get the titel screen when you recruit the new students in your maddening run. Similar how using new game + blocks you from getting the screen.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t. Those would be very specific criteria that don’t give as clear cut of an advantage that NG+ gives. More than the characters, Dark Flier and the other new classes would have a bigger case for not counting, and I don’t see that happening either.
Love the idea behind it, but it’s sad that it’ll only be a side story and not a full blown path. Can’t win them all, but I’m going to love to see how they interact with the other characters and how they shake up the unit meta.
honestly I think it is better to be just a side story that later gets integrated to the main game. If it this was a forth path, it could end up being rushed or even be a “revelations 2.0”.
Isnt the Japan title is Moon Cloud Wind Snow or something anyway not Three Houses?
That’s Sothis’ art just to the right of the Smash screenshot, right? Though we already had hers…
Anyway, here’s hoping everyone gets official art now!
That is correct! I should probably mention that, but I keep forgetting, haha.
Hmm…interesting….I wonder if there’s any particular reason why these three are included as the party member?
That aside, really looking forward to seeing the house leaders fighting and working together as a team in a full story arc!
@metalgearlamia:disqus gave some good reasons. Ashe is probably there for lockpick utility, while Linhardt will be the main healer since only Balthus has a Faith proficiency and he’s more geared towards attacking. I was expecting to see Hubert and Dedue, after seeing Hilda, but those are good choices too!
Hubert and Dedue are too loyal though. But it would’ve been interesting. Especially with a decent justification. Balthus being a “war monk” gets Heal, but all the “house healers” have Physic, so it makes sense they’ll throw one in. Linhardt makes sense cause he’s a scholar and all and probably wants to learn about what’s going on under Garreg Mach.
I personally think Ashe is because it’s related to the fact he’s one of the few recruitable characters post-timeskip, but that’s just me. But like Vincent said, probably lockpick utility.
While Hilda obviously makes sense and is really good interesting they chose Linhardt and Ashe I guess in Ashe’s case there’ll of course be chests for him to easily open to give him a niche with needed screentime and Linhardt while he’s definitely no Marianne or Mercedes again they give him more screentime as well. With a small team like this and the obvious big tier characters(excluding Byleth, the House Leaders and Hilda) are missing this definitely will have an interesting challenge. That’s not to say the Ashen Wolves are slouches since most of them look really strong from the datamine info we have currently!
Lin > Marianne and Mercedes
Nope
No even more especially when dark flyer is coming.
Don’t even bother disagreeing with that guy. He’ll boot up his alts and downvote you in an attempt to simulate superiority.
Linhardt is the only dedicated healer and magic user in the group shown. It may be more for that reason, but the black Eagles have other people for that too but we’ll see.
True
Kinda wish it had been someone other than Ashe and Hilda, those two already get a lot of screen time and emphasis in the main story (Ashe getting an entire month of content to himself basically).
If I had to guess, Ashe is likely there because of his personal skill. He basically fulfills the function of a Thief without them having to dedicate a Thief character.
At first i was confused by hilda,lindhardt, ashe trio, but it kind of makes sense.
Linhardt is a crest scholar, and since we know that the ashen wolves bear “lost” crests, I’m sure he’d love to research them.
Ashe potentially for his lockpick skill, but also he seems like someone who’d be sympathetic towards the abyssians as a former thief and orphan.
Hilda is the one who narrates the beginning of the trailer and was shown in gameplay. Idk why she’s there other than being Claude’s close ally tbh…
Because Balthus knows Holst. Obviously there will be more to it, but at least it can be said that she wants to meet him for one reason or another.
Do you think they will put out a second set of dlc? If the game is popular enough, maybe.
Can’t say that I am happy about this. This means that everyone will have their place in the story and that’s good but I don’t like anyone on this team other than Hilda.
did it last year I’ll do it again this year. Jill Fizzart all the way! ….with maybe a vote towards Barry Goodman because having Barry in the game would be great.
Is it just me or is Zeke not listed as being consolidated with Camus/Sirius?
Hmmm… I left the game a few months ago, but maybe I still should vote for Sephiran. Three Houses is gonna wreck this, though. I’m really liking it so far and I think it has attracted even more new players than Awakening.
I’d say go for it, no one’s gonna stop you otherwise. Sepherain does admittedly deserve to be in the game since he seems to be really popular.
Sweet! Time to do what I did last year and go for my girl Nino (yes I’m aware she just got a new alt in the form of her Christmas self but that didn’t anyone from choosing Camilla for the same reasons now did it?). I might throw a vote behind Claude or maybe Hilda (Three Houses version not the Wicked Witch of FE4) cause I like them, Claude cause despite his royalheritage he’s pretty down to earth and friendly despite constantly scheming something and as for Hilda, I just find her rather funny and the fact that she amazing strength despite what she says in her level up quotes.
Marth deserves justice.
….damn I forgot about the shield phase again. You know it says take me to it or remind me later and it never reminds you later. :
so i have to level up my stats separately this time? I can’t just buy my upgrades
Please vote for Seth, they should do him justice! Besides Ephraim and Eirika already have alts and he doesn’t have any 🙁
Meanwhile Mirage Palla and Mirage Gordin cry in a corner, forgotten.
You also forgot to mention that despite being in Echoes the Cipher OCs are STILL not available for votes.
It looks like the new classes are
War Monk – I don’t think any pre-existing character would benefit from that. Maybe Hilda but only because she doesn’t have a Master Class for her canon class line
Trickster – We don’t have a master class for thieves and I both Petra and Ignatz wouldn’t mind practicing faith.
Dark Flier – Great for Marianne, Flayn, and Ingrid
Valkyrie? – I hope this is gender neutral. We really need a proper master class for healers.
I’m disappointed most of these classes are just giving mastery skills we already have. Also that Valkyrie isn’t a healer class.
I hope Eirika can pull a Veronica style dark horse victory and make the final banner a varied and interesting one! She’s a criminally overlooked character! Here’s a character analysis showing why she deserves your support!! https://forums.serenesforest.net/index.php?/topic/90457-eirika-character-analysis/
https://vote4.campaigns.fire-emblem-heroes.com/en-US/series/108/heroes/108001
I won’t say that people have shit taste since what you like is subjective, though it does feel like most people are either voting for what is fresh or for what activates their groin. Plumeria? Like what.
My plan was to dump all my votes into Marisa but seeing as Marth has a chance up there I might offer him some.
The character literally named “Lewd Dream” who’s only appeared once broke into the top 10. My faith in the Heroes fandom is quickly draining.
Kind of nice to see Jill breaking into the top 20, people do seem to really like her character arc.
3 houses was recent so this is a no brainer.
Not gonna lie, I legit forgot we had a Plumeria and thought everyone had gone nuts talking about voting for the Pokemon girl in CYL for a bit. She certainly does raise the question of what exactly the Summoner is dreaming about if it’s her and Triandra keeping them out…
Halloween Sakura is fully clothed
Sorry, I meant to add in “another” in there ^^;;This shouldn’t be much of a surprise. 3Hs has recency bias, and the new OCs like Plumeria usurp the older OCs like Loki. Looking at how things are going down, the house leaders are gonna win, I just hope the alts they get are actually creative and not just them using their main weapons since that could easily just be used for a Legendary alt. For example, Edelgard being an armor tome, Dimitri using a staff, and Claude using a flying sword.
Isn’t Claude’s “canonical” secondary weapon type axes?
Recency bias and the fact people demand Three Houses banner. Yea, the new ocs take over because they’re not playable yet.
Jill is in the top 20 😀
She unfortunately wont win but maybe she will be like Dorcas, Mia, and Lute and be added in due to her high ranking she is the only old character on the female side that isn’t in the game yet.
I can’t say I’m surprised, but I’m definitely disappointed. What a waste of a CYL, no variety at all. But really, we all knew it was gonna be like this.
I mean, like you said “we all knew it was going to be like this”. Majority of the feh/fe community like the modern games more.
downvotes from new FE babies, about as surprising as this year’s wasted CYL results
The downvotes are all from the same person. Don’t take it too hard.
No proof
The burden of proof is not on me, but sure. If we ignore the fact that you all have the same grammar structure and syntax in your posts and that half the downvotes are coming from “guests”, the votes also occur within minutes, if not seconds, of each other. Every time. Statistically that is an impossibility without vote manipulation.
You’re not really being subtle about it. Learn how to form an argument instead if you disagree with someone. It’s really not that hard.
Yeah, that’s about what I expected honestly. I actually want a CYL Claude alt, so that’s fun. I’m probably one of the few who really wants a CYL Elincia alt though, so that’s definitely not happening any time soon
Tellius characters have their alts served on a silver plate (hello, timeskip sequel?), yet they only do them for Legendary and Brave banners. All without the trouble that is finding a new voice actor. I actually waited for Queen Elincia before I quited. She must have one of the most beautiful designs in all the franchise.
– How unexpected. Though I thought Hilda was more popular than Lysithea…
– Even though I absolutely prefer Dimitri and Claude, don’t give up yet, Marth fans!
– My boy Soren is top 20. Perhaps I should give up on Sephiran and start voting him.
– Jill top 20 too. She deserves at least being top 10.
– Mercedes is best TH girl. She doesn’t need a dumb popularity contest to prove it.
– RIP Nephenee.
– I don’t know who Plumeria is and couldn’t care any less.
– The power of memes brought Saiyan Marth to top 20. Why is that thing even allowed?
Nope Lys is more popular cause loli though Hilda I’m pretty sure isn’t too far behind.
You have no idea how wrong you are for the reason….
Wrong or not at least he offers his opinion without resorting to downvoting everyone who says something he doesn’t agree with. 🙂
Has nothing to do with being false people are expressing just the same don’t get the smile either.
jesus this downvoting thiing is so obvious when i look at other comments
I don’t agree, but I won’t deny that’s definitely one reason. From what I’ve seen (and liking her myself) it’s a mix of:
-loli
-being cute
-cool timeskip design
-tragic backstory
-“can kill death knight so op!”
-warp
-everyone gives her Thyrsus
True on all those especially the Death Knight part, problem is that you have to hope RNG doesn’t screw her magic over (as unlikely as that might be but it is possible) and she’ll need to be fast enough not to get doubled by the Death Knight in the event that even with the anti-cavalry spell she doesn’t kill him (which is unlikely but you never know). Personally between her and Hilda, I like Hilda just a little more cause it’s rather amusing watching her con whatever she was supposed to be doing to some poor sap thats too enthralled by her cute charm to realize what she’s having them do (most of the time anyways).
Don’t get me wrong cause Lysithea is great especially as a unit due to her being stupidly strong in the magic department, but in a few of her supports, she’s your typical genius child that has a bad habit of looking down on others though by the time her A rank support comes around she’s calmed down from that thankfully.
Not surprised by the Three Houses characters practically crushing the competition. Poor Marth is never gonna get that first (or second) place he so deserves in the male’s division with all these new characters that keep popping up and hell his girlfriend/wife isn’t even IN the top 20 for the Women’s division and thats pretty sad when you think about it. Also this might just be me but I think it’s less Isuki that everyone likes and more Chrom thats attached to him as a “background” partner similar to duo characters.
As boring as it is, I kind of hope Three Houses just sweeps for consistency’s sake. It would be nice to get alts for all three house leaders at once. It doesn’t look like it’ll happen but it’d be funny if we got fByleth in there too, because the winners would just be the original Three Houses banner, lol.
lighting a candle for seliph fans as we speak
I feel these 4 are all we’ll see till release there could be that 38 year old man found in the Datamine (likely Alphard ) but maybe they might keep him secret.
These are probably the only playable units. Maybe 1 more character we’ll see on release. But as far as datamining goes iirc, only these people have stats and aren’t enemies. But datamining is based on the data provided as of the version, so it could change.
Someday, Minerva will win! Might take a few years, but I’ll never stop voting.
I wish you the best.
Never give up! Never surrender!
Did you make the Ashen Wolves banner yourself or did you get from somewhere?
Very good question! It’s a mock up, using a partially obscured logo from one of the Expansion Pass images.
Wowzers. Constance is really getting into that make-up brush.
I’m also enraged that there is no Bi females.
Yet so happy that there is at least one Bi male In this DLC.
I love listening to im@s dramas so this could be really fun. Wish they had picked Fates or SoV instead of Awakening though. Might consider translating the 3H one if I find the time for it.
I’m guessing you already know, but just in case, there were four Fates drama CDs in 2016 and one for Echoes last year. I think Fates is well served by now, but it’d be nice to have another Echoes one ^^
From that perspective, true. I’m simply not a big fan of Awakening’s setting and find that Fates has more potential in that regard (I think Awakening already has a drama CD as well IIRC).
My first thought was that they’d limit themselves to the games with voice acting, but seeing as FE7 & 10 each got one last year I would prefer some more of the old games to get content.
I know this isn’t the place for it but VincentASM could u update Jeritzas age when u add the new people to 3 houses introduction page please?
The Awakening one sounds intriguing on its face, too bad I’m broke af.
Finally! That’s gonna be the most interesting character conversation we’ve had since like ever. Can’t wait! ♥
Is it Feb 12th yet?! Seriously can’t wait to go back playing with this side story and learn about the Ashen Wolves particularly Constance my favorite and looking forward to all of their older appearances in Part 2 I’m confident they’ll all look even more amazing! Gonna be tough enduring the remaining 2 weeks….
So if I read that last bit correctly, Balthus, who’s twenty-six and will be thirty-one or thirty-two after the timeskip, gets a post-timeskip makeover. I wonder if the developers realized at the time that making him that old invalidates one of the justifications for not giving Shamir and other non-student cast members new post-timeskip appearances.
I don’t think age was ever a reason why. I just don’t think they care about giving the faculty new looks. Obviously they care about the students appearances more.
To be fair, it’ll depend on the portrait. For all we know, he might just have a new hair style, different facial hair, a new scar, or something else that’s pretty much just a cosmetic change. If that’s the case, and it’s a very minor change, then having Shamir and Catherine keep their look would still not feel out of place. Manuela clearly spends time on her appearance so it makes sense she’d look the same after five years, and Hanneman is at an age where five years really wouldn’t change one’s appearance in a notable way.
Anyone here still bitter that they cant have Myleth with Dedue/Rapahel/Balthus and Fyleth with Manuella/Catherine/Shamir? I mean this is no brainer.
I’ve kept at this game throughout its trials and errors, but I think this is it. Iwata opposed Nintendo mobile games for half a decade, claiming that they value profit over integrity and quality. Five years after his death, his initial suspicions are now shown to be true. The pay-to-win nature of the subscription plan is counter to his legacy and a disgrace to the Nintendo brand. I’ve now uninstalled in protest, and will urge everyone I know to do the same.
I thought that it was impossible for them to outdo themselves from the disaster that was last year’s anniversary…BOY DID THEY PROVE ME WRONG!!!
Why, don’t you want to pay a monthly fee for extra, strong heroes and some marginally useful features? And isn’t it nice that we get to summon one whole free hero from the special heroes roster of the 3rd year as opposed to two last year? And isn’t it wonderful that all Brave Heroes for the fourth event are from Three Houses? At least now none of the three house leaders will be left out~! Not to mention the low 4star focus rate of 3 percent~! Surely that improves your chances of getting that one hero you may or may not want significantly, right? And then there’s those wonderful pieces of paper, Divine Code, that we have been collecting en mass that finally get to serve a super useful purpose of not actually getting collectors anything! It would only clutter our barracks after all. How thoughtful, wouldn’t you say? ^ ^
What? Me? Bitter? What ever gave you that idea..
Jill went from 19th to 14th, hopefully that means she will be added in game soon 😀 ….but how in the hell did Jorge take 12th place in the mens category? Just…..how? I’m not against it but just confused. Duo unit of Jorge and Daniel. As for the monthly subscription service I am unsure on. It’s not terrible especially the 2 free 5 stars a month great for newer players who have less chance of pulling OG Lyn in particular. The quests I feel it would be useful if you got 20ish orbs a month from and I’d almost call it worth it. 3 Summoner’s Support is cool I guess. Had OG Ike as mine for so long be interesting to see who else becomes a monster from the buffs you get. It might have a small impact on PvP but a minor one I think. It’s the players choice, I may not get it but it’s not enough to make me quit the game. The 4 star special heroes is NICE though. It’s probably never going to be the “Lords” of the banner but to give an “easy” access to 1 of the 4 units I appreciate.
Fehnix is absolutely glorious, 10/10 bring back again, I recommend, to all my friends. A lot of everything else on this video was quite the opposite.
A subscription plan at more than $5 a month is an instant no for me, I could barely manage to afford the Black Knight starter pack, so the $10 is too greedy here. I may go one month for Cordy’s sake(curse whoever decided we should start with her), but that would be it unless maybe if we get some absolutely slam dunk Hel-mode costume. Also screw you guys, I already had that idea with a Nifl armor Severa and Muspell armor Caeldori, you would do that wouldn’t you, it’s Professor Willow all over again.
CYL was exactly what I was afraid of. Though I suppose I’m glad for those of you who wanted the four selected, this may be the first time I openly pass on a Brave Banner and just take the freebie, probably Dmitri because screw Edelgard. Marth has now been brutally robbed for FOUR years in a row. FOUR. BASICALLY THE FACE OF FIRE EMBLEM. As both an FE player and a Smash player since Melee, this rubs me wrong for multiple reasons, though at least he doesn’t have to say he lost out to Edelgard so that’s something. Chrom supposes he’ll get his chance another day, the yearly smexy OC is an instant top-10-er, six 3H characters…what the Anna. How the heck did THAT happen? Regardless, this almost saved my opinion of this year – since they seem to count OoH Anna as different from other Annas, this should mean we’ll be seeing a new Anna this year, alongside…Plumeria and six 3H characters. All of whom we’d be getting anyways at some point. Nice, guys. We have a whole year of everyone complaining about nonstop Fates support, they try and stop pulling that crap, and we immediately complain that we haven’t got slammed with nonstop 3H characters. While I can’t say I’m terribly surprised, I am annoyed. All the same, Marth fans did their darndest, props to them for that and they’ve secured my assistance next year for sure, and there were a fair number of characters I didn’t expect to see in that Top 50(Lif my ded boi, looking at you), so my hope in humanity is not dashed yet.
Summoning events seem alright to me, Alm and Celica was certainly the most obvious choice this year as poor Faye continues in her strange delusions, I care about none of them so will continue my hunt for the elusive Valentine’s Roy. Free Special Hero went FANTASTIC for me last year, finally snagged Bridal Cordy, so while I’m not really attached to anyone this time around I have positive feelings about that in general. Another shot at Brave Roy and Ike, also a nice bonus, and if I get another Veronica I certainly won’t complain. A Hero Rises will of course be wasted on whatever newest Unit just came out like the first time’s free Legendary Ike, but since that looks like a free Lif that’s not too bad. I just wish each Summoner could select his own Hero to get instead of a bunch of us getting a Unit that’s as likely as not to just be fodder or wasted space. Maybe we’ll finally get a version of the Voting Gauntlet people will stop complaining about?
Marth is totally going to win next year. A mix of disappointment, and people feeling sorry for him but also he doesn’t really have as fierce competition any more. Unless, a remake comes along (which is likely) and some previously unknown character soars in votes. Actually on second thought Reinhardt has a good chance, since he’s the face of feh and all.
I’d say 4 years of Marth being passed over is pretty solid evidence that he’s only still the face of the franchise from IntSys’ perspective, and most fans don’t find him particularly interesting or enjoyable and would, given the choice, choose someone else as a sort of series representative. He’ll get a pity win at some point, but that alone is pretty damning.
Right. Because Alm, Celica, Camilla, and Veronica are not at all popular because of recency and waifu appeal.
I’d say there’s clear evidence Marth is not the face of Fire Emblem as far as fans go. IS tries to push him due to him being the original lord but it’s clear other characters like Ike are valued by fans over him.
‘Eh, the FEH Pass is kinda of a punch in the gut..Well, at least it must be kinda of cheap, right..?’
‘9,49-‘
OH DUCK OFF, THAT’S FREAKING 40 R$ HERE. 40 R$ IS ALMOST THE PRICE OF A GAME!
Not sure how any of this is worse then the software’s core business model.
The people complaining would do well to remember this. I’m only playing this game because it’s related to FE and having to deal with something that adds to an already predatory system is not going to make me stop.
I came here worried I’d only find another shitstorm and there are at least some people of common sense here, thank you!
Well this year’s Anniversary is better than the shitstorm that was last year’s thats for sure. The free summon I got from the hero fest is one I’m happy with and wanted, V!Ike (+DEF/-RES not bad but I’m pretty sure he’s one of the few heroes that wants to be neutral since he’s pretty well-rounded, high attack, deceptively high speed, good HP and defence, and decent res for handling green mages and non-dancing Michia red mages).
The pass isn’t bad, it’s monthly and optional so no one’s being forced to buy it. I mean the rewind button would come in handy on a difficult GHB/BHB/LHB and the auto start button is good for those that really don’t want to constantly do certain missions like the monthlies. The free 5* heroes are a nice bonus too (I for one want that Lyn).
Not surprised by the results for CYL, I mean everyone pretty much knew this was gonna happen. Marth’ll get his time in the limelight eventually, when that is is anyone’s guess but it’ll happen eventually. He does deserve it to be honest.
a whore a day keep our original lord away
Damn, Fire Emblem Bayblades.
Wow, I wrote a post that’s actually content with the pass and it got deleted? Is that an uncomfortable opinion here now or what? o_o;
What did you say? We cannot any previous comments left by you.
Long story short that people are overreacting, will get used to it in few months, if not downright hype for new skins every month. And then few facts,comparisons and numbers to prove that the pass is not overpriced for the content it offers. That the biggest problem in my eyes is the severly underwhelming anniversary celebration.
And that Fehnix was the best part if the channel 😀
The post was on for like 5 minutes and then dissapeared.
It was not manually deleted. I’ve had posts get randomly flagged before vanishing in the past as well.
I am confused though.. Exactly how is the silver 3% focus a positive thing? Doesn’t that take away from the golden possibility? It’s still only 3% and if you’re unlucky and have a higher percentage build up, I would assume it resets if you land that silver one.
I’m still somewhat unclear as far as the reset is but it says All focus heroes can be 5 star while 1 of the 4 will be available as a 4 star. So you can still summon Conrad as a 5 star but for people who just want Conrad or a bonus unit might not have to spend 300 orbs to get him.
Yah but the odds of obtaining Conrad would be 6% in total, if indeed he can be summoned as silver or gold, which is still nothing. It’s not like he gets the benefit of the high percentage chance that silver heroes normally have, right? Which is also a farce by the way as I seem to be very unlucky lately with way more bronze than silver. Yesterday for example, I did four summons, all of them were bronze. Yeah, that is not how odds should work.. 😛
So, sorry but I’m still not entirely understanding the benefit of one of the four also being a silver hero. The best thing they could do for collectors is not adding a fourth line-up of special heroes this year and instead focusing on those already present. Not that they’d ever do that..
-slowclap- nice, guys.
Aren’t most of the Premium Arrange II tracks old arrangements?
I wouldn’t say most, but some do seem to be old arrangements (1, 2, 5, 12, 16, and 17) taken from Premium Arrange I, which is a bit disappointing.
Well, only 13 new tracks were planned for Album 2 to begin with, and if it’s obvious that there are only 11 new ones listed, Truth, Hope and Despair and Life at Garreg Mach don’t seem to have previews, I know that the first one is only going to be on the CD so they want it to be a surprise.
I got no clue why they kept the latter hidden. Regardless, less new music is slightly dissapointing, but more music is always good so I’ll just be glad that they still make these albums.
I’m a bit disappointed with the scarves. They would’ve looked a great deal better had they dropped the sprites and portraits in favour of a fully abstract design. I might get that glass though.
I want that Elwind tome.
What is Dimitri doing in Abyss on his own? Dedue must be worried sick!
Ashe can babysit him for the sidestory
Lol
For real though, I really like name Aelfric, not too hard to pronounce, but still has a medieval vibe to it.
I’ve dug it as a name since it showed up in Octopath Traveler
The price for the Feh Pass is outrageous in Euros! €11,49 is just way out of proportion compared to the 950 Yen and $9,49 pricetags. Way to alienate your European players, FEH.. (Not that I would have subscribed, but this is just ridiculous)
The target audience is people with a disposable income. A few € extra doesn’t change much for the ones who intended to buy it in the first place. I know it didn’t matter to me.
It’s still hecking unfair though to those who don’t have disposable incomes. And it’s the people with disposable incomes who should be making a fist to show they can’t just take our money like that, on behalf of those that aren’t able to pay outrageous price-differences.
Everything in life is unfair to those who don’t have disposable income. That’s unfortunate but true. The pricing certainly seems odd, especially with exchange rates factored in. It’s still less predatory than the original system where you pay for the chance of maybe getting something, or not getting anything, whereas with this you at least know exactly what you’re paying for and actually get it.
Showing completed pass quests with rewards to the whole userbase though… that’s low.
Yeaaah I assumed if you weren’t getting it that they wouldn’t show up. Seems a little odd.
They should give Anna supports while they’re at it.
We’ve already seen what her supports look like. Spoiler: They’re not very good and boiled down to one gimmick.
The supports in 3H are far better than in the 3DS games because they’re less interchangeable and more limited. Characters also typically speak to who you’d expect them to speak to. Anna’s existence is essentially a meme and her interacting with the students would delve into Awakening fanfic territory.
M8, I’ll be the first one to shit on 3DS games supports, but releasing a character with tea parties and lost items and not making supports for her just seems like poor planning. I don’t want her to support everyone, but at least Byleth like Jeritza.
Some with the knights would be feasible too, I assume they spend some times in the marketplace getting supplies, so they may be familiar with her. With the students would seem kind of weird probably.
I still don’t get why there are so many gender locked classes after they got rid of them in Fates.
I like to think that it’s for variation purposes since there’s no traditional class limit.
It wouldn’t bother me ordinarily, but I wish they didn’t make Dark Flier gender locked. It’s the only flying mage class in the game, and I really don’t understand why they couldn’t have the option for male or female. If they really want to keep the weird pegasus lore, they had the wyvern option for the boys too like with Malig/Revenant Knight. Basically, I’m saying I really wanted to see Dark Flier Sylvain or Hubert
Pegasus’s hate dick.
That’s why they’re gender locked.
And that’s why Hubert’s dream will never come true.
For balance reasons. If War Master is not gender-locked to males, you’ll see stuff like Wyvern Lord Edelgard with Quick Riposte skill from War Master’s class mastery. QR is currently one of the most OP skills in the game as it makes your tanks safe from follow-up attacks and trivialises Attack Speed on enemy phase.
Gremory being gender-locked to females is only detrimental to Linhardt… he won’t be able to learn that class and get the crucial +1 MOV to help him move further. All the more reason to use Lysithea in your playthrough (and they made it very easy to recruit her on Black Eagles/Crimson Flower route).
It’s getting more and more interesting! 😀
I wonder however if they are going to add other things outside Cindered Shadows’ story, supports and new classes, such as new activities.
Doubtful. The DLC seems like a throwback to the linear sensibilities of old FE so I think the things to do outside of each chapter will be limited.
If you mean for the main story, there should be more stuff added. Here’s one of our much earlier articles that contains this info:
https://serenesforest.net/2019/09/20/three-houses-wave-3-4-dlc-outlined-famitsu-guidebook/
But to save you the time, there will be new facilities, activities, gambits, online features, battalions, quests and hero relics. Note that everything listed may be ***singular*** rather than plural (so, just making this up, we could be getting one new activity).
Also, the “new costumes for Byleth and Sothis” mentioned in the article is referring to the already released Sothis Regalia costume.
Well, I can say one thing for sure, these designs are exactly as ugly as they were when they were first introduced in Awakening
Welp, male mages get shafted again. Was really hoping we’d be able to have men with mounted casters sooner, it’d open a lot more build doors.
Dark Knight and Holy Knight?
Those are Master Classes, and only available from level 30 on. These DLC classes are Advanced Classes, and are unlocked at level 20, a full 10 levels sooner and require less skill proficiency to get into.
Not to mention Dark Knight and specially Holy Knight are arguably worse than their Advanced classes (Warlock, Bishop) for most male mages, mobility aside, due to missing Magic Use X2 (which is specially aggravating for Holy Knight, as offensive Faith Magic distribution is way better for girls, who have Grimoire available anyway). Sylvain and Lorenz are arguably the only characters fit to be Dark Knight.
So the new classes are exclusive to the cindered shadow path?? That sucks so bad
From the article: “These classes can be unlocked in your main story save files after clearing Chapter 1 of Cindered Shadows. They are listed under a new category called “Special” classes. Characters must be Level 20+ and use an Underground Seal to change into these classes.”
Which to me means that u need to complete the main story and use new game plus. Also where would u get the underground seal if not exclusively on the cindered shadows playthrough…
I mean, the Ashen Wolf characters work the same way. Being bonus characters in the main story after completing something.
They already said there’s new paralogues, so the Underground Seals could be rewards from completing those (In which case we only get 4 or so per playthrough) or it could be a case where they’re bought exclusively from a merchant in the Abyss.
If the latter is true, simply beating episode 1 gives you a limited number of Underground Seals, while fully beating it could make it unlimited.
Cindered is a short side game you pick in the main menu and can be played at any time
So money and ore are limited huh? That already makes this more challenging than the main story for sure! I am impressed.
What with changing Anna’s outfit to Trickster for when you see her in the monastery,
I do wonder if that means all our units will finally be able to wear their class outfits during exploration.
I do also hope Anna finally gets supports with at least Byleth. I see no reason why she would have any with anyone else really.
The continuous auto-battle perk is incredibly useful for TT. Rev it up and with minimal upkeep I’m close to getting all rewards already. Usually I just play until I get the last seal so this is really nice.
Now that we have a proper look at them: Man those are some HUGE Gauntlets!
Galeforce is back.
Yuri has a knife. Is anyone else concerned that Yuri has a knife?
So what time does the dlc go live?
Was this necessary? –
“It’s pretty darn suspicious how, by the time of the main story, the head honcho apparently isn’t Aelfric…”
☹️
Agreed. Obviously this was written before Cindered Shadows released, but some of us like going into things as blind as possible. We don’t want to have our thoughts influenced like that, whether or not the thoughts are accurate.
It feels kinda wrong picking ending pairings lol. Of course it’s inconsequential and a cool new feature, but think about it.
The free update is a tad disappointing. But hey dancer clothes Byleth!
Rip other playable NPCs. Granted, for the case of Ladislava and Randolph they’re busy so making them playable would be close to the end.
What’s wrong with picking paired endings? This is a huge quality of life update that I’m super psyched about.
It’s basically taking the freedom away from your characters.
Really? They were never free to begin with because they are characters that you as the player control. They may be extremely well-written, and you may empathize with them like you would with real people, but ngl, they are still puppets on your marionette, and I find certain ships cute and want to solidify that choice while still enjoying their interactions and support chains with other characters. At least this time there’s no child mechanic and eugenics-like breeding goals.
I’m so glad we can finally choose paired endings. I don’t have to artificially keep people at B-Supports anymore! Now I can view all the support chains I want without getting an unwanted ending! Wahoo!!
Um how do i access it i bought the dlc ages ago but no option to start it do i just pick new game?
Go to Side Story on the menu, and you should be able to access it.
Hapi’s personal raises some interesting questions about her backstory…
For sure. I wonder if she’d have supports with Marianne and Lysithea in the main game?
Does anyone know when Cindered SHadows unlocks? It’s already the 13th over here.
Character ending choose! at last, we dont have to wild guess anymore whos going to be paired with who
omg where is it 🙁
…I was really hoping to finally get a Surtr.Aiming for L! Azura then as I still don’t have her. Good luck to everyone in hopes that your first picks win.
As for me, I have five copies of her just sitting in my barracks. Could probably manage without another one.
Whose ready for their free Edelgard? You know there’s gonna be people who’ll rally together to meme her way to victory in the VG.
Don’t worry, support for Altina has been everywhere I’ve looked.
I don’t think even a meme brigade on multiplier can outperform the amount of support Altina has.
Please, please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese Altina! I’ve wanted her for ages. Edit: why the heck did people vote for L!Ike? Isn’t he still free? Did people just want to see what would happen if he won?
May or may not be correlation, but he was sitting at the top of the red options.
At least he didn’t get into the top 8, unlike Legendary Lyn last year.
I spent all my votes on Altina during the voting week. So glad she’s in the gauntlet
Since I already have half of the heroes in the top 8, I’m probably going to end up with another Altina… If I had known that, I wouldn’t have tossed all my orbs at her in her banner.
What I don’t get is why there are so many non-special/legendary/mythic heroes in the top 20. Don’t people realise those are easier to get as they’re always available? Vote for something you can’t get normally, you sillies. That being said, I wouldn’t mind if Edelgard won as I don’t have her in my Barracks yet.
LEILAAAAAAA. Good news, Matthew, you’re going to have a chance to see your girl again!
You mean you won’t support her with Jaffar?
I would, cause I’m THAT guy.
R.I.P. Ephidel/Uhai/Darin.
This is a message from Lord Nergal btw: “I await you on the Dread Isle”.
Leila! I thought that would be a pipe dream forever.
This is the first banner in forever I’m really interested in, better save some orbs.
@Elieson: you typed Flora instead of Fiora 🙂
Good lord, that’s what I get for being sleepy. I’ll have that fixed momentarily!
Dude, why did they dirty Rath so badly? He could have at least gotten that strong ass bow (which is just a very strong brave bow) that you get in the first part of the final chapter in 7 from Uhai’s morph, hell while her lance is pretty good Fiora could’ve gotten the lance that Darin’s morph uses. Also why HP/DEF 2 for an A skill on Nils? Thats such a weak skill to have on him, especially since in 7 he and Ninian share stats as well as neither have high HP growth nor Defense growth and they rely more on dodging than anything else.
HP/Def 2 is to increase Nil’s HP, so he can work better as a Pulse Tie Infantry Pulse unit. His skillset works pretty well the way it is.
Having HP/Def 2 is not a weird choice for him.
That is actually a good point, BUT they could have just given him HP +5. 1 more point of HP and no need for the extra defense of a stat thats probably not gonna be all that great to begin with. That or HP/RES 2 as a nod to the fact that he (and Ninian) has high res making them good mage baiters.
Maybe Nils will have pretty good Res and not that great Def, so HP/Def 2 may try to fix that.
Heres hoping but PheonixMaster1 (yes thats how his name is spelt), a Youtuber I watch for his free to play guides for the GHB/BHB/LHB thinks Nils will have high defense but low res.
Also for those wandering the new characters have time skip designs
Can both Byleth become Trickster class? I know the class are unlockable but I’m unsure if everyone can get them or if it is just the new dlc characters?
Anyone can be the new classes, gender permitting (Dark Flier and Valkyrie are female-only).
I mean, Farina would make more sense..
BUT MY GIRL FIORA IS BACK, SO DUCK IT.
Also, LEILAAAAAAAAAA!
Just a second… Micaiah is one of the lead character from FE10, yes, ( even if Sanaki is also important during second half part 3 and part 4 ) but it’s Ike the great hero from FE9 and 10
Micaiah is no doubt forced into the role of protagonist and robs other characters of their potential, but there’s no doubt that she plays an important role in the story that was told.
I agree but during Part 4 it’s more Yune and Sanaki ( especially her ) who play the role of heroine and next to Ike who is clearly the real hero of FE Radiant Dawn ( + Path Of Radiance )
Can we talk about briefly about how the King of Dream’s sister is a yandere brocon? Just what the heck?
Thanks for all the hard work on this article! It was a nice read, and makes me wish we had an English version of Cipher too! (Although it’s probably better for my wallet that it isn’t…)
I spent over $200 on S1 when it first came out five years ago and I regret everything.
Yo Raven, there isn’t a Bridal Nephenee, that’s Sweet Soiree Nephenee.
Meanwhile I still wait for Selena as a Flier card…
‘Yokota: Well, this is “FE” so… There has to be a dragon or something’ LOOOOOL
it aint an FE game without dragons
without dragons, 3h would just be trails of cold steel tbh
The best stories in FE are the ones where the dragons mostly hold a mythological relevance or are simply mundane creatures.
most of it yea but i still like having them around as units or just to the side
I can definitely see why they made Cindered Shadows separate from the main story. As cool as it’d be to be able to use your main story team, the amount of re-writes it’d take to justify its story post-timeskip on all routes would probably be way too much effort.
More importantly, the overall game balance would take a hit due to the levels undoubtedly gained through the DLC. It just wouldn’t add up unless the entire first half were to be replaced by it.
Not bad look for Ike. I still use my original Ike so this is a nice surprise. A free merge and a flat stat boost is nice.
OMG Ike is one of my favourite characters and he comes out on my birthday! What luck lol
Congrats on your luck 😀
This is the first time I want all red units. I need more merges for Eirika and Feena, while Sothis has some good fodder.
I don’t have any of the blue so while low on orbs if I do go for any it will be them.
Disappointed they didn’t get Kozaki for his artwork. I don’t love this design/style.
Why can’t Hilda be recruited in into the Black Eagles? I want answers >:(
Cause she’s the “subordinate” of Claude. There’s a lot of weird inconsistencies and back and forth with her. It’s weird.
Also, I would say she personally dislikes Edelgard no matter what and cannot directly oppose Claude, even if you recruit her in Silver Snow and Azure Moon.
It’s love baby. Even in the other routes, she can’t side with someone who would kill her baby.
Never implied otherwise. Honestly, this is why I ship them. Loyalty and friendship like that is a rare treasure indeed, and unlike with Dedue and Hubert, there isn’t a formal Lord/Retainer dynamic, just two people who click a bunch.
I finally got L!Azura so I dunno who I’m voting for in the gauntlet anymore and my roommate got L!Alm which finishes his Alm collection (for now) which he is happy about
Hint: Altina
Ended up going Lief just to beat Edelgard. I have nothing against her but she can be gotten normally rather have someone that’s…. more time locked. I fully expect to die to Altina and I’m not going to use my flags at all.
Tobin? Meanwhile original Azura is still crying silently in her “Gen one 5star, but no personal weapon” corner.
But, I’m very excited about the manual-shop and happy that they make people without Feh-Passes feel less shitty on the castle screen. Backlash must’ve been big.
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At least the game won’t be telling us about FEH pass quests when we don’t have it anymore. Still shitty of them to lock QoL features behind it, so don’t let up on the negative feedback and reviews.
YEEESH, TOBIN!
Hmmm.. Four heroes I have vs four heroes I don’t have.. I wonder if one of the heroes I don’t have…. HAH, who am I kidding? Sothis will win this. Good luck everyone!
Based on current numbers and not counting any multiplier shenanigans, Altina will win.
That would have been my second guess. And I already have her also, so.. Still nothing good for little old me.
I know i’m late to the party. I literally just tried to play this game but it won’t let me & then I found this.
I that gacha games are for the most part horribly monetized and i’m very much against them. However, as a Fire Emblem fan I wanted to try this game (I don’t spend any money on mobile games though & i’m not sure how much free stuff this game gives without paying.)
However, it’s just very disappointing that instead of just disabling microtransactions (or at least the lootbox/gacha kind that the laws are specifically targetting) they just make people unable to play the game at all.
Then again, this is kind of to be expected. Many more coutntries need to make a stand against predatory monetization schemes before companies will start changing their mineization models to be more fair for players.
Why is my girl an axe wielder? She should be a green tome
If you’re talking about Annette,I think being an axe wielder makes perfect sense. Her crest is needed to properly wield the hero relic Crusher, which is an axe
Fair point
I think they actually did a really good job translating the units to FEH.
Annette may be a monster offensively but that depends on her Atk stat. I forsee her getting more def but less spd to make her “bulkier”. She could be a good Vantage sweeper in AR, since having universal adaptive damage is unique to her and her alone with a 19 Mt weapon. Her real niche will be using the second effect to set up effective rally traps, though. I am terrified at the thought of more ways for teams to send buffed up L!Alm charging at you in AR. They did my girl well.
Bernie honestly looks like a better Claude which isn’t great for him. Her personal was pretty much added here, though, which I like. Can’t see her severely outperforming +10 Louise or Rolf without some merges.
Ferdy is the demote. Not much to say here, maybe his stat spread will be unique?
Lysithea is the next Ophelia and will be a monster on AR Def teams that use I Pulse. Notably, I don’t think her weapon will work with Blazing or Growing skills, which is different, but Dragon Fangs will be nasty. BIke just took a hit in his overall usefulness unfortunately. It looks like now more than ever Blue and Colorless tanks are going to be the safest bet going forward.
Meanwhile as long as she is the one attacking Lysithea is still a tactical nuke with her casual +14 atk if she attacks when her special is ready. Which it should always be between Hades and Time Pulse.
My near 50 Res Kaze is sweating nervously for sure. I hate to see what she can cook up with Infantry Pulse teams.
Well all my orbs for my girl Lysithea are ready and then I gotta save up more for her adult brave version(excluding the free copy) I’m gonna need all the luck to get her!!!!
Lysithea’s weapon isn’t Dark Spikes, 0/10.
Jokes, but I didn’t expect Annette with Crusher. That’s cool though, so I’m okay with it.
It’s probably going to be her Brave weapon to be fair.
I’m guessing her Brave variant will be a Staff unit using Thyrsus.
Lorenz is the name of the disposable key that unlocks Thyrsus right?
Forma Souls seems nice, being about to get to keep the hero you build up during the event. But it’s a shame it’s only in a $30 package and not purchase-able on its own, especially considering all the limitations they put on it. Like, why can’t you use them in merges or skill inheritance? I don’t care what premium skills they slap on em, they bought the item, so just let players do what they want with it. I get why they don’t want you to keep the merge level, but at the very least let them merge or SI them as they see fit.
Personally I consider them to be pretty much worthless. Not outright terrible since they’ll come with great skills, but most units want a boon rather than being stuck down the neutral path that these units will be. And since their only other use is to be sent home for feathers, I don’t see the point. Theoretically they would serve as a nice bonus to people who don’t spend much on the game due to requiring minimal investment, though that just makes the scenario even more confusing.
Being stuck with neutral IVs is not that bad, many grail units are that way and they’re still amazing, especially if you can get those low access premium skills on them. But I pretty much agree with how confusing the design was. The limitation make it meaningless for those willing to pay, but the price tag walls out F2P and low spending players.
I mean yeah, units don’t turn into trash just because they’re neutral. But you also wouldn’t stay neutral with grail units if you had the choice. If I got a Mia out of this mode I’d think twice about using her over the +Spd one I already have, even if the neutral one comes with better skills. For players who spend regularly, I can’t imagine anyone who’d want a less specialised Thrasir for instance, which is already a skewed example since she comes with great skills to begin with.
Honestly I mostly agree with your first message. Since the currency is limited and you can only ever get one copy of each unit, the bare minimum should be to allow you to merge them into what you already have. Inheriting the skills is a little too much though and only furthers the P2W aspect.
Man, such a disappointment for Altina to win this. I actually like her more than Sothis, but there is no use to her outside of being a strong unit. Sothis on the other hand has a lot of good skills to fodder off for anyone that doesn’t want her, which is why I supported her from the start.
I was surprised how far Alfonse/Sharena got, but I had no illusions that I would actually get a hero I didn’t have. My luck is not so great lately.. I mean.. 4.50% is not a whole lot, but I don’t think I’ve ever had a special banner where I didn’t get anything nice..
Also important to note the first GHB in a while that doesn’t have reinforcements. Still not “easy” but makes it much simpler in the long run.
Well at least the moniker is honest this time
I really like Sophia’s new design, very Shamen/Dark Mage. Also new bunny heroes in about a week and probably no new heroes until April. Whats people guess on if there will be a Easter hero that isn’t in the game yet? If anyone Imma guess …Dorothea as a random guess.
I had so hoped (against better judgement) that they wouldn’t add more Special Heroes for a year and instead would focus on the three years that we already have. It’s getting more and more impossible to get them all without paying. But eh, money is always more important.
Are you talking about Resplendents? They’re just skins. Granted they give +2 to all stats, but they did say they’d release one every month.
I think Apophis is talking about the holiday heroes coming up on the 18th
No no, as CombatMagi pointed out, I meant the seasonal ones ^ -^. The Spring heroes coming up, which probably all will be bunnies again, because that’s apparently the only thing spring/Easter. More women in uncomfortably tiny outfits that they themselves don’t even want to wear~! *not serious*
And just too many to collect. That too.
They will never stop doing seasonals. It prints money.
So something I just noticed is there is a Resplendent Heroes section in the shop now. Assumedly if you don’t want to pay the 10 bucks a month for Feh Pass you can instead by the previously released skins (and assumedly a unit) for $5 each. Or maybe you just want to pick and choose your favorite units and don’t care about any of the others. It’s nice that access is still available after their release.
I think you can only buy the old Resplendents if you have an active FEH Pass, actually. It’s also a way to get assured extra copies of…well, at this point just Galeforce fodder.
Well it gave my roommate’s account the option to buy it. I didn’t go all the way through with it as I’m just keeping it up to date with the daily stuff while he is enjoying his vacation. So I dunno if it would have tried to stop me for him not having the pass but to be honest that would be bad design I feel.
When you select the Resplendent you want, it says in red text at the top “Feh Pass required to purchase.”
Ah see I didn’t actually click it. Interesting though I guess if you eventually want a certain unit it will cost you $15 instead of $5. I dunno seems like it be smarter for them not to do that.
May I suppose Cipher S21 focus on the great Three Houses and his four Lords with possibly Super Rare Card with Edelgard Part 2 and Dimitri Part 2 ?
YES!!! Scarlet’s getting a new card!
If I go for anyone it will probably be Idunn and Fae if only because I like redemption stuff. But I probably wont. I’ll wait to see who is on the Mythic Hero banner or more probably who is the new Heroes on April 8th. Also anyone else get a feeling they changed what Fir’s weapon last minute because that does not look like any sort of axe.
They probably realised how many lance fliers there are in proportion to the other weapon types and mixed it up accordingly. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt though and assume the artist didn’t get the memo.
But yeah, while I like Idoun this is another skip for me. I’ve never really pulled in any seasonal banners since I find the concept to be dumb in general. The only ones I’ve actually gone for are Marisa and Tana.
so are Orbs no longer a TT reward?
HHHHHHHHHHH NARCIAN RABBIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Also wow, Idunn’s voice sounds janky here.
Told You He Was Arabian! He isn’t gay!
He’s actually probably Persian since parts of Almyran stuff seems to be based on Persia.
he’s probably actually almyran because this is fiction and those countries do not exist here
Obviously but the game still has things in it’s world based off of our worlds cultures like names, items, etc.
“Almyran culture seems to be based off of Persia, so it’s more likely that he’s a fictional Persian instead”. Is that better?
He also has a lot of inspiration from Ottoman empire, and Turkish Culture! So he is based from all the cultures surrendering Middle East in a way 🙂
I’d say he’s actually closest to the real life Ilkhans or even Timurid mirzas because Almyra takes a lot from Mongol military and political culture, but much like the Ilkhanate, it has many elements of Persian culture. Also, since Mongols and Turkic groups frequently intermingled, that could explain the Turkish flair. Also, Claude’s whole attitude matches almost to a tee the Mongol idea of a perfect leader.
I don’t wanna have to be the one to tell you this, but… Arabian men can be Gay, too.
I Like how the first route done is generally seen as the worst, at least as far as I can tell.
Could you translate the rest of the interview too?
Actually the full interview talks a lot of Dimitri and Claude and what they had to say was pretty interesting.
Azura is a good choice and I’m glad I’ll get her, but she’s long overdue for a refine to stay relevant with literally any other dancer. I hope IS gives her one in April.
Unless they want to go with two characters of each gender again, Sharon, Shiida, and Eir/Peony are pretty safe bets.
They have Veronica in the last one so Surtr is a possibility. Possibly Lif or Thasir as well.
They may do Sharena, Eir, Bruno & Loki. (If not Bruno, then probably Thorr but my bet’s on the former)
Also, does the time the Nabateans ruled coincide with before Sothis went to sleep or after? If it is after, I guess Edelgard wasn’t completely full of shit about hegemonic dragons. Also, does this interview say what kind of dragon Sothis is? I personally think she’s an Astral Dragon or First Dragon, but who knows?
We need to meme and vote for spring xander
the guy no one wants to win
All three Whitewings, Idunn, and Narcian?! Who the heck am I supposed to vote for?!
People are still excited for the gauntlets? The last one was interesting due to having actual stakes for once, but the normal ones aren’t good for much else but feathers. I normally just go for a character I have (in this case Veronica), otherwise the one who seems the least popular.
Did you see the last raid part for the newest lost lore? Attack on serenes forest. FEH is coming for us lol
“Yuri Lowenthal, Patrick Seitz, Wendee Lee and Ray Chase”.
Wait, really? Woah, that’s cool. Except they got one of the voices wrong. He says “the whole world can burn for all I care” with Hector’s voice. At least I think so.
Question is, is Ray Chase meant to be Roy here, or Mark?
Interesting question!! I don’t know who Ray Chase is intended to be, but for Eliwood/Hector/Lyn the voice actors are consistent in Japanese with their English voice actors, but Roy’s English is Ray Chase and Japanese is Jun Fukuyama, while Bramimond’s four voice actor in Japanese is Tatsuhisa Suzuki.
It’s most likely meant to be Alphonse, not Roy.
Alphone makes sense, thanks for pointing that out.
100% honest did not see him coming I was expecting Athos or maybe Brave Lysithea as the first colorless tome
Am I the only one kind of pissed that his tome is not Apocalypse?
Yeah, that was really bizarre. I wonder if they’re saving it for a Sophia or Raigh alt or something.
WHAT?! WHAT?!?!?!?! OH HECK YEAH
They finally did it…
I’ve been waiting for a colorless tome for a while now.
Well 250+ Orbs later and my streak finally gets broken by a Female Grima. sigh I really hope they don’t add someone I desperately want in the new heroes banner in about a week.
I like that ending lots of gags but yeah this feels like an early April Fools joke
Excuse me, 8-Bit FEH when? Seriously, holy cow I want that to be a visual option – HQ, Lite, and 8-Bit as my play options PLZ
Also Fjorm, Eir, and Peony crying in the background wishing they’d got 8-Bit sprites.
I hope the 8-bit maps are real and not just a joke.
Sara Jaye, you like the 8-bit map?
I feel like they were preparing this as a April Fools joke, but some team took it way too serious and one day before they said ‘Crack it, we’re not going to waste this material..But we can’t release it on April Fools or none will think it’s true…OH, I KNOW. RELEASE IT ONE DAY BEFORE!’
…this is sad Cipher made a lot of great art for fe and it is sad to see it go.
I think for their argument that Heroes is a strong medium to hold ground, they need to keep up the pace from late Book 3 and keep adding in as many new faces over alts as possible. Sad to see Cipher go, I always enjoyed looking at the new art.
They actually did it. All this time I thought Pantsless Marth was just a meme pick, but they actually listened.
Wonder if they’ll still ship the orders that were already placed. I want my Elwind tome.
Finally, a positive change to the summoning mechanic~! Too bad I’ll never ever get to 40 summons on a banner, as it’s simply not worth it… Unless they add the counter to Special Hero banners too, but.. probably not?
It said in the video this would only be added to New Hero Banners. Fingers crossed they change their minds.
Exactly. That way I would have at least gotten something out of the previous Valentine’s banner (if this was implemented then)…
When does the update drop tho
I like it I hoard orbs until I get someone I want and when I drop 300 orbs trying to get someone and I don’t get a single 5 star its frustrating. So if its a forging bonds event so there is 4 extra free summoning tickets if you pull every orb it will only cost you 135 orbs for the unit you want. Which you might even get beforehand, they didn’t say it reset if you got a 5 star I feel it would be very unwise if it did. If you sniped a certain color and only got 1 for each its still means all you would need is 195 orbs if there was only a free summon. A set number is just so nice for a guaranteed unit even if its only once a banner.
I hoped for Sharena (and also twice asked them to add her during the last year), now I root for Líf and Thrasír because that would be the most interesting plot addition. Considering they could be the Alfonse and Veronica Euden met during part 1. And I would totally welcome Loki because my girl is so beautiful in DL style.
So help me Heroes team, if I don’t see all eight Cipher OCs in Heroes before the end of this year, heads will roll.
Ugh my heart…I’ve already fully abandoned this game, and yet they put my girl Rinkah in finally…
…So I’m losing Cipher…for this. For a Free Summon I’m only going to reach rarely unless I intentionally ignore Banners or buy Orbs…and FORREST.
You know, this might have been neat if, you know, I’d actually been able to download Dragalia Lost. Too bad the game is freaking HUGE.
It is collossal indeed. You can download without voice clips, which does cut a fair chunk off the grand total, at least.
Hmm, maybe we’re getting a New Mystery banner soon.. both versions of Kris being on that promo image is odd.
Missed opportunity to retcon Kris entirely.
I know this article is literal years old at this point but I was squinting at the untranslated map and I think the last “name” in Fibernia is actually おばさん, rather than a character name! So, there was probably an older woman character intended to be from there, although there’s no way of knowing whether it’s her or the character named Niime on this map who would ultimately become the Niime in the final game. Perhaps their characters were merged, or maybe there was meant to be a second older woman character who joined the party? That’d certainly be interesting for Fire Emblem to do, especially considering that currently there are really only two (visibly) older women recruitable in the entire series, by my count.
I got Male Byleth which I had from having 3 houses but that’s still better who got my roommate which had 5 red orbs and got Lillina. He really wanted OG Ike if he had to pull red.
My choice was 5 red orbs… and I got original Roy *sigh*
Finally Eliwood gets his true revenge for how they butchered his original art.
When they first announced the alt skins my immediate thought was about Eliwood.
Him and Sophia were the two I was most displeased with. If we’re lucky Athena might be next.
wow, wth happened to Azura… that’s the first resplendent art that is worse than the original…
she looks horrible… the original art isn’t perfect but at least she still looks human, and also not like a serial killer…
Thanks Vincent! This was a cool interview
“… you could only have up to three save files.” That’s bull, Kusakihara. You bloody DLC-gated that in FE: Fates. I enjoy the series, but IS’s dev team and PR dept. need a major overhaul.
The quote says “In the DS games”, not “3DS games”. They were likely referring to Shadow Dragon and New Mystery.
“I myself had originally intended to leave them as they were without bringing them into the new story. I wanted to create a sort of blank space in the game’s world by leaving out a few pieces of the puzzle – suggesting that it was bigger than the scope of the game.”
…So they intended to give them the Lost Primarchs treatment. Interesting.
nice warhammer 40K reference
thanks koei tecmo for the save slots
The director of Codename STEAM did ALL the pre-chapter paintings?? That’s amazing! Glad some people who worked on that game still do great stuff for IS, in spite of that games bad sales.
Maybe the Blue Sea Star is the planet Archanea is on
Unlikely. That probably is just Sirius. That being said, I always assumed Sothis was from Fatesland or the Astral Dragon Realm.
The important thing is… will there be any more dlc for three houses??? yesterday was April 12th…
They said all the DLC is out. The game is done.
Nope they’re done as they just said they’re finished with Three Houses.
Good thing no one else already said that.
So we’re never gonna see what Glenn and Holst look like? Damn.
I got myself a Dozla. I’m so mad (yeah he’s a five star) but I would loved it if Eirika was the one to come.
I have a lot of units but these Limited Heroes are a good challenge I still haven’t found to a way to beat Lunatic Oliver with Marth men. If I had Pheena I might be able to but she has eluded my grasp for a while now.
I’m finding them kinda easy so far. The Awakening one is going to be a pain though since I haven’t really trained anyone from that game.
So the interview has a lot to talk about Edelgard, Claude, and even Rhea and the Nabateans. But when it comes to Dimitri, there is really little to talk about.
Ok seriously what is with Caeda’s weapon, jeezus. That seems abit excessive.
Powercreep is in overdrive.
So all ticket holders receive there money back and keep the ticket? Or there are other gifts?
I’d really like the relics, so it’s a shame I can’t buy them individually. Definitely can do without that pin cushion.
U buy the package and ill buy the pin cushion off of you.
Depends on where you live.
Caeda’s weapon implies that she’s a liar. She desperately DOES want to hurt someone. Pretty much anyone will do, with how many things she’s effective against. The sooner the better, with her built-in vantage and DC as her A slot. You’re only safe if your a coloured bow, a mage, a staff user, or a dragon, and even then only if you’re not armoured or green. And may Ashunera, Milla, Duma, and Naga help you if you’re an axe armoured unit, because Caeda certainly won’t. Unless you wanted help into an early grave that is.
Also, someone at IS really can’t count. Unless, because these are all children, they’re deciding that their half-pint size means they count mostly as 1 and half units, but are rounding up?
And Marth is kind of ridiculous himself, considering he’s the 4* unit this time. I mean, dual effectiveness with his Rapier, and a new Oath skill, alongside his own unique special?
Let’s just be glad Merric doesn’t heal himself after combat, even if his HP hits 0. Wouldn’t be surprised if that happened to be a glitch though. Be prepared for a possible, but hopefully temporary, immortal Merric everyone.
Don’t forget unarmored beasts. They’re safe from Caeda’s weapon’s effective bonus, too.
On another note, I’m definitely glad that that young Merric doesn’t heal himself if his HP hits zero! There will be no “Wings of Mercy” shenanigans there.
I suppose Fire Emblem celebrating it’s big anniversary by bringing a bunch of child characters into a game centered around clothing damage is… very much on brand, I guess.
Wow! I’m so happy she seems like a great TT+ unit definitely my next project and the fact Minerva is one of my favorite FE characters makes this perfect! I hope her stats complement her kit.
This is a great article.
I only have one concern for it: I believe that the Whitewing sister’s Duo skill’s odd-numbered-turn limit only applies to when it refreshes itself and that the skill’s first use can happen on any turn. I believe that because odd-numbered turns are only mentioned in that skill’s description’s second paragraph, so whatever happens in the first paragraph can happen whenever the Duo skill first activates per map even on even-numbered turns. Granted, that description’s second paragraph can mean that the skill’s self-refreshing either (1) exclusively remains active on odd-numbered turns or (2) happens on odd-numbered turns such that the skill can be used once more on any turn, so your guess on which one is true is as good as mine. However, I think that this article should state that the Duo skill in question has the following effects: “When used, grants self and all adjacent fliers 1 extra Move. Afterwords, [your interpretation of that skill’s description’s second paragraph].”
RIP Cipher. If only you were released overseas, then you might’ve made more money.
Problem is it would compete with the 2 big brands of the TCG market being Pokemon and Yugioh. So while the mobile game is a success I heavily doubt it will translate in the TCG overseas.
its so hard being an fe fan and wanting to play the past fe games
Is it really? Stable emulation on phone has been a thing for quite a while now.
I’m not a fan of touchscreen controls, that’s one of the worst ways to play games
I agree, but it’s the most accessible way of playing them if you’re without a PC.
English speaking fans, foiled again. Guess all we get overseas is an event in a gacha game.
FE is primarily developed with Japan in mind, and this is purely fanservice aimed at them for a game that never released over here in the first place. I’m buying a couple of things from the Expo as my way of celebrating the anniversary.
It’s nice a lot of people’s choices made sense within game. I half expected a lot of crack pairings. Though I guess those would have gotten lost to the wind a lot easier then the ones that make sense. Also quite a few votes for some TMS#FE duos in there that was tied to certain performances they did in game.
Lyon’s a weird choice, even with the bias of FE8 being my first game. When I killed him for the first time I wasn’t sad because he was oh so misunderstood and tragic, I was pretty happy that he got what he deserved.
I think its was because he wanted to save Grado and was possessed by the Demon King while working with the Grado Sacred Stone in the attempt to subvert the disaster to Grado he foresaw.
I know his story. I just don’t think it’s a particularly compelling one. It was a corruption story but the corruption happened because Lyon was weak and stupid.
He may be weak and stupid but he’s not a bad person. God you sound like a horrible person.
I never said that he was a bad person, only that he got what he deserved. Oh no daddy died, I’m going to use this obviously evil artifact to revive him. That certainly won’t have any drawbacks. It doesn’t help that the setting of Magvel is so barebones that there’s close to nothing that props Lyon up other than Eirika and Ephraim.
Me, I’m just happy that one didn’t end up as Edelgard. (Oh no, here come more downvotes. To those who say “she’s not a villain”, she is on 3/4 paths and developer interviews confirm this.)
Sounds like you’ve been too much on /r/fireemblem. Don’t go there. Edelgard is absolutely the villain despite what people say. That subreddit is filled with people who are willing to justify their feelings with bad arguments instead of seeing reason on any topic. Once you know the full context of the story it’s impossible to say that Edelgard isn’t the villain.
Even in CF where she is shown in her most positive light it leaves her as a pretty ignorant character. That said, even though I came away from the game not liking her, I still consider her to be an interesting character at the same time.
I agree, I consider her a very interesting and well-written character and easily the best villain the series has had. Except on Crimson Flower, where her writing is all over the place, but that route was clearly rushed.
I JUST SAID YESTERDAY THAT THE NEXT ONE WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE HECTOR. LAST MOMENT PREDICTIONS, YOU DUCKS!
Oh shoot, Hector looks bad-a in Muspell armor. Oh shoot, Forma for Valentines Lilina and Brave Roy, why must you do this to me IS?
Now that is a bargain right there, you can upgrade the best melee Cav in the game and get DC in one purchase.
Hector looks awesome though, can I really bring myself to fodder him?
My bunnyfonse is looking at you 😀
Bunnyfonse can be #1 in our hearts at least!
No. He IS 🙂 He is a doubling monster with amazing self sustain.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/91680e43d206b61b2822f28fbc97cdd775e085918b97b37fccba5ceccfe70372.jpg
Ok, I gotta admit that is one invested Alfonse.
I will amend my statement, Eliwood is the best F2P friendly cavalier 🙂
Why look, one of my favourite units finally gets a refine for a change. I’ve had my Tate at +10 for a while now so it’ll be interesting to see what she’ll get.
That’s not a refine friend, that is the units we get for Hall of Forms.
Still, you could buy a tricked out Tate if you wanted.
Fug, that’s what I get for skimming. Still, I’m happy with her current build and I think she’s better off keeping +Spd over a couple of premium skills.
Thank you to the whole translation team for making this possible!! Archanea Series is my favorite Fire Emblem arc, so I’m SO happy that it’s possible for me to read this! Unfortunately the downloaded files won’t open on my computer, so my reading stops here, but I’m happy I got to read as much as I could anyway! I’m new to Serenes Forest so I don’t know if progress on this project has halted? I hope not because I really want to read the rest! I’ll keep checking in to see if the other volumes have been made available online yet, but of course take your time, you’ve done amazing already 🙂
This is so amazing!! Huge thanks to this whole translation team!
The Camilla one makes me cringe (and now I know this comment is getting downvoted), but I’m surprisingly okay with the other ones. Though for me, the “villain you just can’t hate” is Arvis, in that he’s one of the few FE villains you actually get to see regret what he’s done. Despite everything awful he did in Part 1, by Part 2 all he did in the name of his “ideal world” has backfired on him horribly and he’s lost everything, by the time you get to kill him he’s just a broken man who’s practically begging to for his suffering to end.
Basically, with Arvis you get to see a villain who wins… and finds out the hard way that winning as the villain sucks.
The hype that comes with these FEH crossovers in Dragalia has no match with anything else they’ve made in the game so far. They put so much love and care in preparing the content, the extra artwork, everything. I kinda wish we would get a crossover like this every year because it is such a blessing to see Fe characters in DL style, both art and models. But at the same time that would probably kill the game, made it another FE gacha T_T
Yeah, I have to agree, although the Monster Hunter event was close. I’m guessing it’s one of the benefits of working together with Nintendo. I really love the FE crossovers of course, but I think it would be nice to see crossovers with other Nintendo franchises like maybe the Legend of Zelda?
Zelda would fit in the easiest for sure. But that could be a slippery slope once you have 1 crossover why not more? then its not FE:Heroes its Smash Heroes.
This.. is seriously the saddest news I’ve heard this month..
Makes me wonder when will we have a crossover with DL characters in FEH!
Makes you think why IS is so counter-productive with crossovers in FEH. This will make them stand out more than other FE characters. Why the hold up, we’re already coming on a second FEH crossover and IS still contributes nothing.
Unfortunate, but understandable…
I thought Peony was wind cuz her weapon is green. Can’t judge from the skill cuz it’s various colors lol
Edelgard: “The title of Emperor falls to House Hresvelg. However, that legacy ends with me.”
Azure Moon, Verdant Wind and Silver Snow players: “Very poor choice of words.”
Silver Snow road never exist for me :p
It was what the developers wrote first.
Yeah, I know… but like many people, for me this story never exist, Edelgard’s story could have been longer with more cutscenes without this fu***ng story 🙁
So Edelgard gets two alts before Claude and Dimitri get one?
I personally don’t count the Flame Emperor, since they’re kind of representing pre-release Flame Emperor, back when they were marketing them as a separate character. (And they actually improved her voice filter for Heroes to hide her identity better)
Thing is, we KNOW she’s going to get a swimsuit alt eventually. Which is going to be awkward on several levels.
how is that going to be awkward?
1. She hates swimming, based on the advice box.
2. Given her backstory, it’d imagine she’s badly scarred in some way. I doubt they’ll actually show that.
3. She’s a major antagonist on most paths, so it’d be kind of like giving Rudolf, the Black Knight or Walhart a swimsuit alt.
Wait… I agree with you for your first and second point but third… She is a Lord ( The most complex in her personality too ). One of the great heroes from FE16. Not Rudolf, not Black Knight, not Walhart.
But yeah… I hate ” Waifu Emblem ” so…
did someone say swimsuit burger king
sign me the fuck up
Erf … Waifu Emblem … Why FE fell in it since Awakening 🙁
Interesting I figured the Post timeskip was going to be the Brave alts for the house leaders but apparently not. I wonder what goofy thing they will do then. Also probably going to be Claude and Dimitiri the next two Legendary Heroes which will lead into End of July/August which is approximately when the Brave Heroes come out.
Hmm… I don’t know. Eventually yes, but we never got Xander after Ryoma either. They might just come with a normal banner like MaleGrima. IS doesn’t really stick to patterns with legendarys. Edelgard is probably just lucky to get more alts in general.
I DO agree though that this means Bave designs will be something more creative and goofy^^
Brave Edelgard = Edelgard Emperor class, I think.
Yeah, they should have gone with a different title, it’s a very unnecessary spoiler….
It’s her actual epilogue title though, and Heroes tends to always use those where possible.
They should’ve put Edelgard in Smash Bros. instead of Byleth.
nah Dimitri
Edelgard and Dimitri in SSB5 instead of Byleth, yeah.
Claude is better than those authoritarian nightmares.
Funfact: her title in german is: Kaiserin von Adrestia. Empress of Adrestia in englisch.
Great, my favorite Lord from FE ( and maybe Sigurd and Dimitri after reflexion ) 🙂
I hope she is good in this spin-off like in FE16 🙂
I thought actual Leon got another refine for a moment there.
15 summon tickets sounds suspiciously like Hero Fests of the three CYL banners. That’s fine with me!
Oooh, 15 free summon tickets?!
Last year’s Golden Week had 10 free summon tickets for 2 Hero Fest CYL banners. It could be the same this year, but with 3 CYL banners.
-fingers crossed- ceciliaceciliaceciliaceciliacecilia
So this is just a guess but I think Fallen Ike is one where he actually touches the medallion (despite this being his RD incarnation), I mean he does mention nearly touching it in PoR but Greil stops him from doing so. His entire kit is scary and greatly implies he’s gonna be fast which is rather funny since his other alts aren’t all that fast though they aren’t exactly slow either unless they have -SPD.
Anyways this is a good banner, Ike is definitely gonna be the most wanted one off the banner thats for sure but the others are pretty good too (though I won’t be bothering in getting MF!Corrin).
Why do I want dark Lyon so badly? My heart still hurts whenever I think of FE8.
Not really what I wanted for my birthday…
BUT I WANT THIS LYON. I REALLY DO.
And I’m really digging Ashnard. Sure, another free flying isn’t really what we need, but he should come with something distinctive.
My 240k feathers might be yours, Ashnard. Don’t disappoint me.
Interesting to see Mark Witten voice a completely different character, effectively. Greg Chun also does a really good job here.
5000 R&R Affinity… How did they ever expect anyone to have that amount of R&R lying around? And sure, I’m sure there are several people who already bought it, but for most people this is ridiculous… At least the Three Heroes quests are back, let’s hope there will be more of those, more frequently.
If I had spent those 3 orbs every week since the resort came out I would have enough to buy it but I didn’t as it was a little silly. I do want her sprite eventually but I can be a patient man.
Not a bad Snaki, I guess.
But I still prefer her OG one.
Personally, I think it’s fine that they aren’t demoting every banner as long as they acknowledge it like this.
All 4 of these characters are very strong and none needed to be demoted. Now, if they suddenly decided to remove the gacha ceiling in New Hero banners, THAT would be a notable problem in my eyes.
I don’t mind they not demote anyone, what I do mind is the reasoning they gave. They don’t care about the game’s balance, the powercreep in this game is the worse out of all the gachas I’ve played by a long shot. With the exception of a handful of refinements, the devs have not done enough to fix the issue and seemingly don’t care enough to either. And this isn’t even getting into the scummy practice of making players pay to give certain heroes stat buffs with their Resplendent attires.
While I agree in theory, you make it sound much worse than it actually plays out since there is no strict PvP. I’m competing at the top of all modes using mostly my favourites and Gen 1 units for instance. With patience and freebies taken into consideration everyone can build anyone into a powerhouse.
It’s more possible in AR since there are no BST limitations and due to you being able to choose which a different team from your presets, but in Arena, even with optimal lucky you’re might barely make the top of Tier 21 with all Gen 1 due to all the whales using 185 BST scoring units like Duos and Christmas Sothis and we still don’t have all Dual skills. I never said it was impossible, but that it’s awful powercreep because it never stops and is so much faster than other gachas. Within the next year, there’s gonna be another BST powercreep and a new skills that makes Y!Ceada look like a chump.
Y!Ceada is practically already a chump if you’re building your favorite units with kits to combat issues like that. I have a Kempf that works alongside my Gen1 Niles to completely trivialize any fight against her in a single round of combat, and still have enough time to clear out an entire Raid map no problem. You can do just fine in this game if you focus on building up your favorite units alone, powercreep only makes it slightly more difficult for older units, but it is never impossible.
I agree with Elci on this.
Can anyone tell me where i can hear this?
The Garreg Mach one is pretty sleek looking, but the bottom text takes away a bit from it. Maybe I can try to edit that out.
So 5/20 is new special heroes. TAKING ALL BETS! Who is going to be in a wedding dress this year? If only because she was the “original” bride class unit I’m going to say Erika. Other then that if they go with premarried couples like they did with Pent and Louise last year maybe Ena and Rajaion if only because they seem to enjoy throwing people in from extended lore lately. More then likely though due to the recency of it, it might be Jeralt and Sitri. Fjorm was last year so it might be Eir this year either that or one of the Muspell Princesses
Wow, just discovered this game after YouTubing miscelenious JAP only PS1 games. Thanks so much for your hard work guys!! Playing it now.
Maybe stupid question, but will we able to get the songs worldwide or is this Japan exclusive only?
Huh they actually did a really good job with the silhouette this time. Outside of the little tassel bits near the bottom which makes me think maybe some sort of Hosidan wedding garb perhaps I have no guesses atm.
Pretty sure it’s Hoshido, yeah. The right silhouette is reminiscent of Japanese traditional wedding gowns.
Yeah a lot of people are guessing Hinata for the left one and a huge call for the right to be Say’ri but that looks more Sakura to me personally if only because it looks like to the right of the head there is a collar and Sakura outfit usually has that. We should find out tonight though.
As long as they have an excuse to hoist Camilla in a wedding gown…
Well I’ll admit I did not see that coming. Also I’ve done the supports between the two Hosidan people I never got the “destined” vibe from them as I did the other two pairs.
Well I’ll admit I did not see that coming. Also I’ve done the supports between the Oboro and Hinata and I never got the “destined” vibe from them as I did the other two pairs in the banner. Though I suppose it might just be they are there but usually there is a reason like Charlotte’s husband hunting tendencies.
I always put her with Takumi, I typically throw characters together if one is opening attracted to the other and Oboro was VERY open about her feelings for Lord Takumi.
I’ve always gone for Oboro/Takumi too, but since Takumi, along with Leo, is one of the most popular “husbandos” among Fates players (to the point where he got an entire fan-book dedicated to him), I wonder if they decided to shy away from implying any “canon” ship for him to avoid angering fans?
Takumi has also gotten a few alternate forms already, still I could think of other “canon” pairings that might have been better but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just because I did like the support Her and Benny could have been nice. Of course Takumi is the most obvious. I guess her and Hinata were chosen just because of them both being retainers to Takumi. Then again it could just be that the chapter story doesn’t link them together in that way. They are separated for starting positions on the final map.
Welp… There goes all my orbs…
Who you aiming for? Personally I will aim for Rafiel as a 4 star and then maybe Sothe/Micah or Oboro.
Nailah as a bride is creepy af.
…What.
Nailah alt? Nailah alt!? What a time to be alive. Next they’ll be giving me more Haar; the dream is alive.
“The aforementioned page also indicates EDELGARD will be appearing…”
GDI Edelgard.
Ah shoot, I knew they’d come for my $10 eventually. Still no Resplendent Marth for some bizarre reason though, what the heck IS?
Special Heroes 40 Summons PLEASE, I still need so many old Specials!
YOOOOOOO, LET’S GO DONNEL GANG.
Wooo, Kleine gets something after being the first to kick off the refines in the first place. Hope it’s something nice.
Image 1 that Kleine is in is actually all the books available in June’s ephemera shop.
The refines this month are directly below.
Nah, you didn’t do anything wrong. Klein and Kleine are two different characters.
Oh I completely forgot her JP name is Kleine. That can be just a bit confusing.
I can imagine. She’s been one of my favourite characters since long before her name was localized, so it feels wrong for me to use a name I don’t associate with her at all.
SUMMER ROBIN YES
LANCE VALOR FINALLY
Was hoping for Hidari’s art, but OG Castlevania(Rondo of Blood) got its own allure.
I knew it looked familiar. Unfortunately I’m not a huge fan of that art style so I’ll probably be skipping over her for now. That C skill though.
that realistic aesthetic is not bad. but IMO Hidari art is better suited to Mila (or people just already used to it)
Hey, I noticed a veeery small typo. ”Red:..Mythic LEIF” (instead of..Líf). Not sure if I really should point it out, but oh well.
Oh, I’m feeling it! Xenoblade ftw!
Bit of a cheap solution with the Voting Gauntlet, using heroes you can’t summon so they didn’t have to roll out one or two summoning pools…
Thats not necessarily true. They’re all greil summonable (aside from Lif and Sirius) so they are actually a LOT easier to get than most that are in these voting gauntlets, sure they’ll be at 4* but you can just up them to 5* if you have 20k+ feathers ready to be used.
That is not exactly what I mean, kind sir. I was referencing to how, during previous Voting Gauntlet events, they would roll out two focus pools to summon from with three or four focus heroes that appeared in the Voting Gauntlet. That would mean TWO FREE SUMMONS~! 😀 But now.. there is no focus summon for this Voting Gauntlet, as all heroes (minus Líf and Sirius) came from other sources than normal summons. So for this Voting Gauntlet there were no free summons..
Unless you’re implying that heroes who don’t appear in banners don’t deserve to be part of voting gauntlets because of their status, this would’ve happened at some point or another regardless.
Not so much that they don’t deserve a spot there, but maybe not all of them would have to be so limited. Now there is just one “normal” hero, so to speak. Would be nice if there was more balance 🙂
Ah ok, that makes a little more sense then.
Lol, Mustafa be replacing Batre for the new green axe meme. Give me Desaix as well, IS.
So I don’t know about anyone else but Say’ri speaking in Japanese caught me off guard, at least I think it was Japanese. Also is her VA the same one as Akame from Akame Ga Kill if anyone’s seen that? Cause she sounds like Akame. And Mustafa surprised me as well since he was just a one off enemy leader you had to all but cut through in order to win the fight after the failed rescue attempt for Emmeryn, I guess he was just super popular for some reason. And him having a slight Russian accent is nice, gives a little variety to the voices if nothing else.
I believe that Mustafa is popular because he’s one of the nicest antagonists in the Fire Emblem series. Moved by Emmeryn’s words, he and his men didn’t want to fight, but Gangrel forced them to do so. Despite that, the merciful berserker allowed his men not to fight if they didn’t
want to, and he promised to take all the blame, but his humanity moved
them to fight. Also, Mustafa is the only antagonist to (1) sympathize with Chrom and company for their loss; (2) promise them protection if they surrendered; and (3) allow them to use their fight against him as an outlet for their rage. To contrast all this, he’s the first boss faced after that failed rescue attempt, the heroes treat him as the one of the biggest scumbags they faced yet because of that, and they completely forget about about him after he falls.
You’re reading way too much into a situation that lacks coherency with the rest of the story. Emmeryn’s sacrifice was certainly the only point in Awakening where I felt that stakes were high and motivations could be developed further, but the couple of chapters that pad that one are so drastic in their tonal shifts that I couldn’t help but question the ability of the writers to form a decent story. A consistent tone is important, and chapters like Mustafa’s would’ve felt so much more real had Awakening been more linear and decisive in its storytelling.
I actually agree with you on the Awakening’s story lacking coherence and consistency. When I encountered that point in the plot, it did feel out of place to me. However, what captivated me wasn’t that part of the story, but a character within it who clicked with me. While I liked many of Awakening’s characters for their quirks, Mustafa was one of a very few characters with whom I could relate. I guess I’m a sucker for characters with personalities as honorable, sincere, and realistic as his.
Well you can’t really blame them for treating him that way, I can understand that some see that as rather unfair but considering the previous enemy generals they went against were all scumbags themselves (just like their king) and would gladly gut a innocent civilian, Chrom and the others (especially those from Yliese) would have a rather hard time believing Mustafa as a more honorable general considering all that had just transpired.
I don’t think it’s mentioned if Mustafa has Olivia or not, at least I don’t remember it being mentioned but then again its been a while since I’ve played the game.
According to Meet the Heroes
“Olivia: A dancer who travels widely and is quite gifted, despite extreme shyness. She is aided by Mustafa during her attempt to flee Plegian territory.”
Huh, thats interesting.
Wow, I learned something new today. Thanks.
Mustafa isn’t the first sympathetic one off though. There’s quite a decent handful in the series. It’s just that he’s from Awakening, a game a lot of people played, so people actually know about him.
Reinhardt isn’t that relevant, and he got into the game. While he is gray, he’s way more despicable than Mustafa, but yet people seem to hail him as some amazing character.
That is true. Also in what way is Reinhardt more despicable than Mustafa? When either he attacks you or you attack him, his quote clearly shows that he’s rather reluctant to fight you, I can imagine Olwen having a slight part in that reluctance but…
I know they were probably just looking for a 4 star for a pool but I’ll be honest I never expected Mustafa to be added to the game.
Oh boy it’s Mustafa! Just the character everybody was hoping for 😀
Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not but I’m genuinely happy because I really did like him, I was always sad when I had to kill him, and I remember him being one of the more popular minor characters/bosses.
In all seriousness, I think any new character is way better then an alt. So, I’m happy anyway.
Say’ri and Mustafa are Very Good. Now, Vaike when?
It would be nice if Say’ri being presented as a Japanese speaking character (for what reason they thought best) that they’d add a feature where you can decide on a hero-to-hero basis to have them voiced in English or Japanese. I’d love for Itsuki to be proper, without turning my entire game into a Japanese game ^^
anyone know where we can get the artwork for Roy from that giant nine piece?
fire emblem fandom wikia is a great place for all of the archived Cipher pictures
Lets see pity broke by Brave Eliwood (manual), FByleth (which I didn’t have), and right at the end I got Say’ri. Then used my free summon for Anna. I will wait for the banner to try and get the daydreamer. but seriously I think I got like 3 4 stars that summoning event there were SOOOO many 3 stars.
I’ll just save my orbs here and be happy with Kleine’s refine. It’s actually really damn good. I had the Atk/Spd+4 bow on her prior to this, and the bow she just got offers that and more. She’ll have great synergy with Marisa now for me.
Ok, so me calling Peony as an Askran immediately after her release is still looking plausible, me calling her as an Asrkan Royal remains up in the air but I’ll hold to it. Looking kind of meh so far.
I think the last 2 people with Durandal and Aureola are Ogier and Saul respectively
SWEET my girl’s getting a huge buff not only to her art but her already good stat glad mine already has a great Asset!!!
…THAT’S NOT TAKUMI IS WHY YOU DO THIS TO ME?!
So I had to do a double take the head decorations are supposed to go backwards but at first glance they looked like horns to me
Ah Linde… the character I’ve never been able to obtain.
Well, I’ve been waiting for Selena to get added for a while, though I would’ve preferred to see her MK incarnation first. She looks good, and I have 350 orbs, so I may part with a couple of them.
Selena finally!!! Although I would like to get her normal form first I’ll definitely take this!
Damn, Joshua’s lookin’ fine.
I cannot be the only one disagreeing with Heroes putting ‘Marth’ in a swimsuit that reveals their gender… What made ‘Marth’ strong as a character was how they managed to conceal their true identity, even assuming another gender altogether (like Sheik in Ocarina of Time was rumoured to do). They’ve thrown that out of the window for no other reason than to put another young woman in revealing clothes. Way to go, Heroes team!
(Also, Harmonised is written with an s, obviously)
I’m honestly no longer surprised given this game having zero qualms spoiling other games in its series.
Sorry, I’m not quite sure I understand what you mean with “spoiling other games”? You mean with the Lost Lore bits? And how they didn’t make a Zelgius, just a Black Knight without a helmet? And and and… Hmm.. I think I’m starting to see what you mean 😛
And people defend it saying “The games are old who cares!” while also being the same people who say the want to play the older games.
Fates is not even THAT old. It wasn’t a great game, but it was still on the previous line of Nintendo consoles. And then still, spoiling the full story isn’t really nice. If Lost Lores wouldn’t give Orbs, I probably wouldn’t even bother checking it 😛
As for your comment on reducing strong characters and turning them into anime bait.. *takes a look at all the heroes with inflated breast-sizes and/or ridiculously distasteful clothing choices* ..I don’t even have to tell you you have a point 😉
That’s seasonals for you. Taking “strong” characters and reducing them into “anime” bait.
These are great, but you forgot one bit of news. The game’s Mythic bug has been addressed! For those who don’t know, this bug basically sometimes match-made players with a low-scoring team that was mistaken for a high-scoring one, and it made some competitive players’ scores in Arena Assault where matches are played consecutively. With this bug resolved those players don’t necessarily have to restart their
already stressfulruns..
Thanks for the heads up! I’ll mention this in the next article.
I’m happy to help.
Well I’m missing 5/7 colorless summer heroes so I hope I don’t get orb screwed on the free unit. oh who am I kidding they will be there and I will get 1 of the ones I already have.
As for myself I’ll try to go red and get another Tana merge. I’ll take a 20% chance.
My sentiments exactly. I could use a third Linde though… It would feel good to toss her out XD
May I please suggest a fix on the last sentence of this article? Here’s how:
Current: Previously, if a team included an in-season Legendary Hero, but an off-season Mythic Hero, players could encounter teams with higher scores than intended, but still obtain a lower score after winning.
Suggested: Previously, if a defense team included an in-season Legendary Hero and an off-season Mythic Hero, players with higher scores than intended could encounter that team but still obtain a lower score after winning.
The suggested sentence specifies which teams activate the bug and which players the bug affected.
In any case, I thank you for mentioning this bug, and I’m sorry if my explanation of it from the previous article’s comment section was vague. Also, I really like the tongue-in-cheek joke about Lucina appearing in this month’s Tempest Trial banner.
Let’s see, 370~ orbs netted me one 5* and eight 4* Lute, and one each of Selena, Edelgard, and Tsubasa. I didn’t intend to waste my full supply but Selena came so late on that there wasn’t any point holding onto the remainder. Sitting at a 4.25% rate though so I might be able to get another copy later. Oh yeah, worth noting that I didn’t get a single Altenna. In total I’ve gotten one 4* of her since she came out so she’s still sitting at a measly +1.
Huh, Triandra is called Scabiosa in Japanese. Didn’t know that.
You learn a lot by playing Heroes in Japanese.
Wouldn’t it be nice to celebrate the end of Cipher with the addition of Emma, Randal, Shade and Yuzu to Fire Emblem Heroes?
and Alice, Valjean, Niamh, and Poe
Ahh, I didn’t even know there were more! I only know those four because they were in Echoes ^^ Yes, they all deserve a spot in Heroes, but they have to be quick then, since the end is fast approaching!
While we’re at it.. they might as well add the Fire Emblem Warriors exclusive characters…
NARCIAN’S GETTING A SECOND CARD?! HECK YEAH!!!
Also Emma and Shade SRs in the last set is my desperate wish now.
I knew this would happen eventually. I dunno what I will do with the resplendent one once its out as I have already +10 Minerva from all the pity breaks and abnormal off focus free summons she has given me on the repeat banners.
Oh wow, Al. You don’t see him every day!
well he is a protag and this is the end
True, but not from the games, that is what makes it surprising 😀 He should be added to Heroes too, along with his companions~!
nice
I’m MASSIVELY disappointed no Laegjarn card like why?!?…..