I’m glad we’ve got so many people who care for the site. I did my part for the cause, but sadly I’m kind of poor right now so it’s not a remarkable amount.
Also, I need to figure out how to make you a mod on the disqus comments. Once I finish fixing the server issues, I’ll give you your admin account for the site on here as well.
Ya’ll beat me to my bank. Support for our family is strong! I’m proud of you all, my children; thank you for supporting Jyoshua, and for supporting SF.
Your source link isn’t displaying for me, FB “The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be
temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or
you may not have permission to view this page.”
Wow you guys have disqus here??? I qm a huge FE fan and come here a lot XD I am jealous that japan and Europe got rekka no ken. I love this game I maybe beat it five times and would love to play it on my 3ds
Sadly it probably won’t be released on 3DS, as Nintendo doesn’t have a GBA Virtual Console on the 3DS (ignoring the Ambassador’s Program from a few years ago). But I’m guessing it’ll eventually be on the Wii U VC in other countries.
1:Cool, thought it was a big coincidence. I mean, for someone to be both a competitive fighting game tourney pro and the bearer of the mantle of FESS is almost too unbelievable to be true.
2: You don’t know me? Integ and Nightmare know me plenty.
Well, I can’t consider myself a pro unless I actually win a tournament. At this point, I definitely have not.
As far as the ban, sorry man. After checking into it, it sounds like you’ve been ban dodging and were even problematic during that time. Normally ban dodging substantially hurts someone’s case to allow them back onto the forums, but if they were also problematic during the time before we discovered the dodge, that only serves to reinforce the ban.
If I were you, I’d just step away from the place for a while. Go hang out on another community in the meantime. If you have good behavior there for a very long period of time, then that might support justification for a second (technically third) chance.
Pretty jealous of Europe right now! I’d totally buy FE7 on VC and play it over and over again like when it first came out on GBA. Forever my favorite FE, probably~
Also, the site update’s looking really nice! Jyosua did good work!
Why, Nintendo? Why would you put FE7 on the Wii U and not on the 3DS where it makes sense- and where I can get it? I don’t own a Wii U… That being said, my cartridge and my old GBA SP still work, so it’s not like I can’t play anymore. If any of the GBA FEs come to 3DS VC though, you can bet your bottom dollar I will be getting them a second time (first time legally in case of FE6)
Is it known whether they’ve used the EU version or US version? I’d be pretty miffed if we got cheated out of the extended epilogue again…
Sry for posting about it here, but I can’t seem to post on the forum for some reason. On the Maximum Stats page of Awakening when looking at the classes for Laurent (MirielxRicken) Dark Mage and Sorcerer are not options, when in the game they actually are options. So, just something I’ve noticed. And again sry for not posting in the right place.
[…] In which case, if you’re interested to know what’s hidden inside the game, but haven’t been following the developments or just want a refresher, then please point your browser to this wonderful page! […]
I was thinking maybe Tellius for the lower left (maybe it looks somewhat different because map-makers weren’t working with satellite and aerial photography so there may be some inconsistencies… or it’s just x-thousand years later like Ylisse/Archanea)…
Maybe a map of Ike’s journey? Like he traveled the entire continent before settling in the lower right… I dunno.
Looks like Elibe to me. There are slight differences in the areas that would be Etruria and Ilia but the general shape is similar. It is worth mentioning that where Bern would be there is a name that looks to be 4 letters and is likely Bern. Many of the mountains are in similar places though they appear to be spaced out more.
[…] Tomorrow (4th December), Blazing Sword will finally be released on the Wii U Virtual Console in North America and Canada, after it was released in other territories, including Europe and Japan back in August. […]
[…] A guy on Serenes forest did a analysis, of it, seems to work until GameXplain puts their video up whenever. January Nintendo Direct Analysis – Serenes Forest […]
[…] in the Japanese version of the Direct, Iwata revealed that a new version of the Fire Emblem: Trading Card Game will be releasing in Summer alongside Fire Emblem […]
I’m squealing with joy inside!! (FIRE EMBLEM’S SAVED!!! Send out good thoughts that it’ll be localized, people… Or I could just use this as an excuse to finally learn Japanese already…)
[…] with most new announcements, details are scarce at the moment, although from the available footage, the graphics and gameplay are very similar to the previous entry, Fire Emblem: Awakening. This […]
[…] is currently speculation, but it’s possible Kamui could be the Avatar character of this game, based on the current evidence. Bearing in mind in the first footage of Awakening, we […]
[…] are very similar to the previous entry, Fire Emblem: Awakening. This apparently includes the Dual System (Dual Strikes etc.) introduced in that […]
Ah! Someone needs to put this on the internet somehow. For posterity, of course! We have a duty to those that follow us, after all.
I ought–I mean, they ought be able to experience the orgasmic orchestration. It must be immortalized upon the YouTubes, or a torrent site in a lossless format, or something!
[…] is the first day of Comiket Special 6 in Japan and, as reported earlier, event-goers will be able to visit a Fire Emblem booth selling a range of 25th Anniversary […]
[…] cutscenes, we finally see some slices of gameplay. Most notably, enemies can now make use of the Dual system apparently, as a two on two battle can be […]
There is no indication that it will be on-disc DLC, nor that each game won’t be a complete experience on its own. It seems to be more along the lines of the Zelda Oracle games, but with a more convenient means of getting the other version.
While the retail version does seem similar to the LoZ Oracle games, I was referring to the digital version, which was stated to “only be one version, unlike the packaged game. Once you reach a certain point, you must decide whether to side with Hoshido or Nohr. After making this choice, the other campaign will be permanently locked (until you buy it as DLC).”
Whoops, tried to delete that post after I read the whole thing. Sorry, totally derped on that one XD. I don’t know why they’re doing that digitally when they could’ve done the same version shenanigans, but I’m guessing it’s because it’s functionally no different and may somehow be more convenient. Though having to download an extra-large file could be a pain for some.
So about as much content as Awakening? Disregarding DLC, Awakening had a decent amount of main game content and side stuff. Not quite as much as I would’ve liked from an FE game, but it was still a good amount.
So it’s not too bad of a price. Hopefully we get the bundled version, too. I don’t want to have to switch carts in order to experience the entire story.
If it’s only 41 chapters, that actually just about matches Radiant Dawn’s content. With Awakening though, a massive chunk of that is side story content. All of Radiant Dawn’s content is main story. I want another FE with as much story content as RD.
This is some speculation on my part but I suspect that the Nohr path might resemble what you’re expecting while the Hoshidan path is more like the awakening route.
“the site emphasises that each of the two versions (Hoshido and Nohr) contains a similar amount of content as the previous game, Awakening. So you won’t be paying for half a game at all, if you buy just one of the versions”
Yeah right, IF they cut the world exploration on Nohr’s route (game) doesn’t that just make the game “shorter”. You can’t do anything else other than playing the main story. So that means if you bought the physical version of FE Nohr, you ARE missing some content when you compare it with Hoshido version. If that the case Nohr’s game SHOULD cost less than Hoshido because some content was CUT from the game.
At first I thought I’m going to choose Nohr, but if that means I’m getting a game that have less content, NO THANK YOU NINTENDO
I hope the NA will combine both version, I don’t mind if the price is a little bit higher because it’s better than buying a version of one of the game that have less content with the other. They can make the game harder in many ways, cutting content just to make it seems harder is BS
You seem to assume that because something isn’t featured, it means it was gonna be and was “cut.” Not every Fire Emblem game has a map and world exploration. And it’s quite possible that in place of the map, there will be other content.
Also, just because there’s no map does not mean there are no side stories. There are other ways to integrate them into the game.
Correct that Hoshido probably have more content but if you wanted to play Nohr side it would cost around 20$ and vice versa for Hoshido. The whole game would be around 60$ with both sides. I mean who would only buy one side of Fire Emblem am I right?
To be fair, assuming that they hold true to their words, that’s a little under 80 chapters of gameplay not including free DLC and I spent well over 200 hours with Awakening’s 73 chapters including DLC which totaled in value to $85.50 for everything. Actually now that I think about it, getting everything in IF costs LESS than getting everything in Awakening. What the hell Nintendo?
What exactly would they be cutting? If you mean paralogues, they’ve traditionally been linearly inserted into the story if you meet the conditions at the time. If you mean whatever the Risen fight equivalents would be, frankly, that’s a poor caliber of content.
If NA choose to follow Japan’s path, it’s more cost efficient buying Hoshido and then buy the DLC version of Nohr. Man, my mood just went from excitment to confusion to agitation in just a couple hours. Thanks a lot Nintendo.
So for choosing those that raised me I’m rewarded with choke-point battles and possibly less to see and do? Pretty obvious who Nintendo wants me to side with. Yeah, no, Nintendo I’m choosing loyalty.
…Hopefully NA just skips that mess and goes right to the special edition.
Same.
It just seems that they are being biased with the Hoshido faction.
Not to mention “Peaceful Hoshido” and “Glory seeking Noir” when Japan has always been glory seeking and stuck in civil wars for most (if not, entire) history until about 100 years ago.
Either way, I’m going to have fun with the Noire faction as it seems for the veterans of the series.
Honestly though, if I don’t get the special edition (or at least, both), I’ll just stick with one side of the game as Noir.
I’m probably just going to buy both of them even if we don’t get the special edition. Maybe we’ll also get some of those trading cards, am I right?
And I’m sort of hoping if they do the DLC characters thing like they did in Awakening, it’s a little more fleshed out and not just modeled Avatars made to somewhat resemble old characters that are in normal classes.
Japan was in a civil war, however this game is not the same as the real world, they are inspired by the Japanese culture, but i don’t think they really mean that they are. Japan also have been unified by Oda, which was prosperous then.
U.S will release both game separate, they wont bother to merge it, however the special package will release on the following day’s of Fire emblem IF 2 version (JP only). U.S will take some time to convert the third package, and will vary if they will include those mischievous items. Game might release on April 2016 for U.S, 11 month after the release of JP version.
I want to be excited for this game but making two versions with an expensive DLC add-on just reeks of a money grabbing ploy and less content for your money. You don’t just develop 2 games worth of content and release them at the same time.
I don’t have any friends, that I still routinely communicate with, that love Fire Emblem. But this information makes me incredibly excited. I appreciate the work you guys do.
To the left of the weapon names is what appears to be an HP bar for the weapons. Dragonstones, at least the one shown, seem to have infinite uses however.
The stat distribution seems to have been nerfed to normal levels, thankfully.
Also, why do people keep saying that the version with the world map is the traditional one? There’s nothing traditional about the world map and annoying infinite grinding.
I really hope you’re right about the HP bar thing, because infinite weapon use would disappoint me quite a bit.
But, I don’t see how this would be an improvement. It’s much harder to read compared to plain numbers, if it is what you said it might be.
It is true, it shows the weapon type in a box that in some images is filled green and others the green is almost run out. As mentioned it is much harder to read compared to plain numbers, hopefully that will get changed
I dunno if it’s been mentioned, but at the part where it mentions the digital version, there is a little typo. “Upon reaching Chapter 6–the point at which you must choose sides–after making your choice, the other campaign will be permanently unlocked ” It should say “locked” rather than unlocked?
If CERO is anything like the ESRB, it’s a small group of people, and a few staff changes spells different rating methods. It may be due to being required to kill off the other family that you don’t pick, as other people are saying. Not sure why anybody wouldn’t feel a tad put off by that.
More like Hype? This Marketing Scheme is so freaking convoluted and Stupid, they should’ve just released the two games in a pack for the 6550 yen, instead of this weird two versions shite. I’m still gonna get the whole thing because its actually cheaper than Awakening’s total cost and appears to be a better designed game, but I’d rather they just went the simple route and be upfront about the cost of the game for the sake of the consumer.
Nah, straight hype. I’ve already used apparently-not-so-common-but-should-be-common sense to reason out why they’re doing what they are. If they were “up front” about the cost people would be spewing bullshit about how a single 3DS game is $59.99 or $79.99. Most people would NOT pay that much for one handheld game, so people would be bitching about something else/accusing Nintendo of milking us through inflated prices even when the pricing is actually pretty damn fair given how much content there is. The “passionate” fans are generally just never happy and are kind of the worst fans because of that (they spend more time complaining and whining about everything as opposed to the people who just sit back and enjoy the game).
[…] a release window in 2016. The new Fire emblem has been code named Fire Emblem if by the community https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-if/, and news on Shin Megami Tensai X Fire Emblem has been awaited since it was first mentioned back in […]
I really hate what they’ve chosen to do with this game. As far as I’m concerned, the special edition version is the only that should even exist period. I don’t take kindly to the idea of FE: Pokemon Edition, in which I will be squeezed and prodded for extra cash just to be able to enjoy the complete experience.
And I really hate that the Nohr campaign has no overworld. A massive amount of Awakening’s appeal is the ability to do whatever the fuck you want, instead of basically playing stages, hitting the credits, and *poof*. Roll credits. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth when games do that; it removes replay value along with fun. I thought *Choice* was supposed to be the central theme of If, but now if I want Nohr, I’m basically robbed of choice?
Say whatever you want about how grinding made Awakening too easy. But no matter how you feel about it, the fact still stands that nothing forced you to do so if you didn’t want to (Lunatic (+) doesn’t count). So if you didn’t want to grind, you didn’t have to, in which case you would still be getting your core FE experience. But it was the freedom and added content of that option to grind or do side stuff or shop or whatever that made Awakening last hundreds of hours for me.
But nope. If I want to have fun, I have no choice to side with Hoshido every single time. Call me a scrub and a newbie and an Awakening fag if you want, but I stand by that opinion. I’ll probably buy it anyways, but only if I can get the special edition.
It’s like the difference between driving a car when you’re in Driver’s Ed. (Nohr) and when you have your own (Hoshido).
In one case, sure, you’re behind the wheel, but you pretty much can only go where the instructor tells you to. In the other, you have complete and total freedom to go where you want, when you want with only traffic laws and your gas tank to guide you.
I greatly prefer the idea of a world map where I can say “well, I’ve done 5 story chapters, but that Paralogue over there looks interesting. I’m gonna do that instead“. Or “hey, I’m playing Lunatic+ and could use a little training; I’m gonna go grind in the DLC for a bit”. Yeah, it may admittedly not be the most incredibly amazing piece of side content ever, but at least you can tackle it on your terms.
To me, repeatedly emphasizing how FE:If is all about choice, but then removing a lot of that choice from me because I *chose* a different version is ridiculous and self-defeating, nevermind the bullshit of splitting the games in two to sucker me out of more money instead of just giving me the full experience in one.
To a certain extent I agree with you, I believe that there should’ve been one version of the game+ the DLC. I didn’t care for the world map at all in Awakening, others said it actually hurt the game’s design. But from an actual value proposition perspective as most people have as “problem” with this game, I actually don’t have that complaint as I have demonstrated in the other comments. I just hate this from a marketing standpoint and I hope the NA version is different. Otherwise, I’m actually quite happy that there’s some satiation of rabid fans who prefer the (generally harder) linear FE games vs the world Map FE’s.
The open world map design greatly hurt Awakening’s design, as it also screwed over Sacred Stones. It disallows maps from having too many gimmicks. Awakening barely has any treasure, lacks different objectives, has plenty of “square” and lineal maps, lacks fog of war and Arenas/Stores.
It also opens the game up for incredibly lazy design like Awkaening’s Lunatic and Lunatic +. You either have to cheese the game with Avatar/Chrom/Frederick or grind (with the DLC of course unless you want to be extremely patient and cheese the game) until your units are. In older games Hard Mode had to be actually balanced. Older games also had ranking systems to encourage value and FE7 had alternate maps and characters.
Awakening’s good but it shouldn’t be the game the design revolves around.
Awakening barely has any treasure, lacks different objectives, has plenty of “square” and lineal maps, lacks fog of war and Arenas/Stores.
I don’t think any of those are things that couldn’t be fixed while still retaining the open map. Different objectives, for example, is literally as simple as providing a greater objective variety within the maps themselves? I mean, Awakening didn’t *need* to have “route the enemy” as the objective for 95% of its maps, nor did they need to be so simplistic in layout. The world map’s existence had nothing to do with the decision to do so.
I think Nohr’s heightened difficulty could be accomplished so much better if its maps featured more challenging layouts with more difficult enemy placement (i.e., don’the put all the Wyvern Riders into one group gaggle where a mage with a single wind tome can easily kill them all without threat of, say, Sorceror retaliation) ,and more difficult map objectives compared to the Hoshino campaign. Limited access to experience and money, to the point where it’s practically like being feed through a stomach tube, is artificial difficulty to me. There’s no need for Nohr’s difficulty to come from such methods, when more creative means would do the job infinitely better.
The same thing would also offer a way to balance higher difficulties. “Harder” should mean “more difficult”, not “now with 50% more bullshit per tile”. The existence of a world map has nothing to do with how well designed the missions it contains are designed; a better design will solve virtually all of Awakening’s problems, save for the grinding DLC, which I think should be maintained for those that want it. Properly designed difficulty won’t be as easily broken by gridning: after all, grinding can’t make smarter AI less smart, for example. If the enemy is difficult by nature (not just because it’s the Prologue and they’re using Steel weapons and have 5x your stats).
Bottom line: I want If to improve on Awakening, but at the same keep its freedoms. That’s why I’m upset about Nohr’s handling.
That’s the point, part of the difficulty of Fire Emblem is resource management, both equipment and monetary. The reason the map design is so flat in Awakening is so you can’t get into an unwinnable situation. Plus there was stupid RNG shit like the Barracks and tiles. Maps also have to be flat to allow them to be replayable. Critical Treasure are a non-factor in awakening.
The open world is what allowed the x5 your stats BS. A more lineal experience forces IS to not be lazy with their design. It’s like a Free to Play game, it inherently makes the devs lazier, and makes them not consider everything correctly. The biggest evidence is the unwinnable chapter 1 in Awakening plus all the random elements that game introduced.
I don’t see how an open world map should have any bearing on the design of chapter maps. If the game is designed without the DLC’s existence having any factor, then you can still design a competent map whilest still allowing for outside freedom.
I want to keep the freedom of Awakening, but make the maps themselves more challenging. As far as I care, chapter maps and the world map should two completely different aspects of the overall game; once you begin a chapter, you have walked into the lion’s den. It should challenge you, and providing a challenge should have nothing to do with also having an explorable world with side content.
The way you design a difficult map is by having a difficult game, but doing so fairly. I dislike the idea of flat limits on experience and funds because the completionist in me hates the idea that I can’t cap my army out. I also hate it because it feels like difficulty created by neglect. Difficulty should be entirely based on your skill as a player; you should have all the tools to win available to you, but actually winning should still be up to your skill. In other words, smarter AI that responds to your moves more like an opponent and less like an algorithm. I want to punished for my mistakes, not because I’m just not allowed to have enough experience to go around, meaning that the majority of my army is reduced to nothing but bench-warmers (I like unit variety, especially being able to bring different units for different situations). I want interesting map design that’s doesn’t just look like a random section of a math graph. If I do something stupid and get people killed, backing myself into an unwinnable corner, that’s my fault because I made it unwinnable; that’s not unwinnable by design.
I see absolutely no reason why If can’t fix the problems of Awakening while still retaining what it did well.
OK, sure Intelligent systems could make separate maps for story chapters and stupid grinding easy baby mode. Still the problem is that the world map in Awakening and Sacred Stones ended up affecting the overall design of the game. It takes time, resources and makes the devs less likely to balance the game correctly. This is why Awakening has a bullshit Lunatic mode and why some Sacred Stones missions spike the difficulty way too much.
The existence of grind-able maps makes the game pretty hard for having diverse maps or creating much unique situations. No doors or many chokepoints, because the enemy army has to throw itself at you like pikmins. No need for long winding maps or maps with various routes because that increases the time you need to reach the enemy so they can go kill themselves. Defend maps also have to go because again the properly designed ones make your units fight in a small face filled with chokepoints.
No climbable terrain, no traps. It’s not a coincidence Awakening and Sacred Stones had less gimmicks overall. Sacred Stones does have more varied elements than awakening, but it lacks them compared to its two GBA predecessors.
As I also mentioned, Resource management has always been an important part of the FE Experience and Awakening reduces it. No need to have iron weapons late in the game. Just deck out everyone in silver/brave forged weapon that never go away with Armsthrift. No real thoughtful choices about when to promote units. No need to save gold to recruit one or two units.
Don’t worry if the devs are doing their jobs correctly and not making stupid decisions that make them have time to not balance the game you could clear the game with the default units. If Fire Emblem 6 can be cleared with 0% growths so can the Nohr version (if it’s done properly).
The end point is this, as can be seen in Sacred Stones and Awakening the open world design causes:
1. Difficulty spikes (Chapter 15 in sacred stones and the unbalanced, unfair lunatic mode in Awakening)
2. Less importance of resource management, leading to less meaningful choices. (No need to choose who get’s Delphi’s shield or the boots, or when to promote, when to use the powerful staves)
3. More restricted map design (it has to be open so you can grind fast)
4. Far less gimmicks/Interesting map design (No traps, no fog of war, no treasure balancing, barely any Status effect enemies, no ballistas, barely any long ranged tomes, enemy AI very rarely retreats, no stealing, no need for NPCs that meatshield you, no need for objectives other than rout and kill commander)
5. Less importance in character roles. Although that’s solved if they remove the second seals.
The solution could be a sacred stones style zone(s) that are separate from the chapters but that still gives less time for the chapters to be truly polished. For 10 games the series has worked perfectly and the installments with the open world map design have always been controversial.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you will NOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).
Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps“) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you can have it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!
I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE could ever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically be required to completely ruin the game, as you claim?
I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I will agree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.
Even the Zelda fandom isn’t this resistant to change.
“I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you willNOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).”
I understand it perfectly, the problem is that OK if you can only go to the next chapter what’s the point of adding that. No more heroes had barely anything in the world map so they removed it for the sequel.
I’m guessing you want to fight random trash mobs to gain resources, but this messes up a fundamental theme of the series. To feel like a tactician, managing an army with limited and valuable resources.
You don’t think people design games with DLC in mind, especially Awakening which had the Gold and Experience pack a month after release in Japan and are almost required if you want to use more units than Chrom+Avatar in Lunatic and Lunatic+.
“Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps”) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you canhave it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!”
OK, so you want grindable maps to be completely separate from the chapter maps, great so either the devs have to spend less time in each chapter map while making the grindable maps or they hire more people to make those. That’s the best solution but well it impacts costs and IS isn’t running a charity unfortunately.
“I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE couldever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically berequired to completely ruin the game, as you claim?”
They can do a hub world, but my problems is if they started including trash mobs to grind and ruin the resource management aspects of the game. Ok, Nohr unlocks paralogues and can do them any time, just access them from your base menu or make a linear map that’s empty and you can sidestep and do the paralogues or distinct version of a chapter. My only problem with the hub world and map is the trash mobs.
“I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I willagree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
“
So again you want to remove all individuality for units (I assume you want the second seal and reclassing to be brought back), the theme of overcoming struggles, the theme of meaningful, impactful choice (who do I promote?) and give the devs a lazy way to not properly balance the game for people who don’t want to grind. Besides you could sort of grind in FE 6 & 7 with the arenas, but it was more like gambling and screwed up your ranking and took forever to do. I don’t mind that.
“I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.”
They are not good changes, they are changes to make the game more like an RPG. Go play Final Fantasy Tactics, which is a great game by the way, but don’t start trampling on the fundamental themes and design of Fire Emblem and start crying when a title appeals to the themes and design that made the franchise successful.
Fire emblem 9 and 10 had the best base management system (You can buy equipment, you can use your BEXP, The supports were done the best in that game, You could have funny and insightful side conversations, you could get some fancy items). Awakening did the pair up and marriage system good and the skill system was OK. I don’t mind casual, but there should be a reward for playing on classic, just like Reflex mode in MGSV.
So basically:
– The trash mobs need to go, or at least not provide you with more resources.
– DLC is fine as long as again it doesn’t provide you with resources.
– World map is fine as long as you can’t get more resources. Make split paths. Make the paralogues (maybe not all) accessible when you want to tackle them. Have you choose from saving X or impacting Y storywise based on which of two or more chapters you choose.
– The arena system is fine, you can spend all day on that and grind and buy whatever gear you want, but if you fail prepare to restart… now that I think about it Casual mode ruins that a little.
– Make grindable maps (for the Hoshido version) separate from chapter maps.
– Make choices more meaningful by making top gear and promotion items more limited. There is a feeling glee when your Silver weapon you spent all your cash on helps you clear a chapter you were having trouble on. It also makes meaningful choices to see which units you promote. Awakening diluted the effect of promoting your units.
– Remove reclassing, ruins the characters designs and individuality of the characters IMO.
– Make supports based on chapters, not on turns spent together like glue.
– Put the ranking system back.
– Reward players for choosing classic mode.
So yeah make the game Fire Emblem again not Final Fantasy Tactics 2.
I understand it perfectly, the problem is that OK if you can only go to the next chapter what’s the point of adding that. No more heroes had barely anything in the world map so they removed it for the sequel.
The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.
I’m guessing you want to fight random trash mobs to gain resources, but this messes up a fundamental theme of the series. To feel like a tactician, managing an army with limited and valuable resources.
Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.
OK, so you want grindable maps to be completely separate from the chapter maps, great so either the devs have to spend less time in each chapter map while making the grindable maps or they hire more people to make those. That’s the best solution but well it impacts costs and IS isn’t running a charity unfortunately.
Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.
They can do a hub world, but my problems is if they started including trash mobs to grind and ruin the resource management aspects of the game. Ok, Nohr unlocks paralogues and can do them any time, just access them from your base menu or make a linear map that’s empty and you can sidestep and do the paralogues or distinct version of a chapter. My only problem with the hub world and map is the trash mobs.
I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.
So again you want to remove all individuality for units (I assume you want the second seal and reclassing to be brought back), the theme of overcoming struggles, the theme of meaningful, impactful choice (who do I promote?) and give the devs a lazy way to not properly balance the game for people who don’t want to grind. Besides you could sort of grind in FE 6 & 7 with the arenas, but it was more like gambling and screwed up your ranking and took forever to do. I don’t mind that.
Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more because so many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).
They are not good changes, they are changes to make the game more like an RPG. Go play Final Fantasy Tactics, which is a great game by the way, but don’t start trampling on the fundamental themes and design of Fire Emblem and start crying when a title appeals to the themes and design that made the franchise successful.
Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.
The arena system is fine, you can spend all day on that and grind and buy whatever gear you want, but if you fail prepare to restart… now that I think about it Casual mode ruins that a little.
So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.
Remove reclassing, ruins the characters designs and individuality of the characters IMO
I disagree on removing it altogether, but agree on fixing it. The reason for reclassing in the first place was because many classes in Awakening had poor skills available. Get rid of every single last [Stat]+X skill and replace them with actually interesting ones. I honestly never once used a Rally ever either; either improve those, or do the same as with Stat+ skills. Additionally, rebalance Second-Tier classes so there aren’t just 6 classes that are all clearly better than the rest (that everyone has access to), leaving little reason to leave units within their original class family (those 6 being Hero, Falcon Knight, Sorcerer [because Nosferatu is broken as fuck], Manakete, Bride [DLC], and Dread Fighter [DLC]).
As for the characters themselves, how about we make the characters more interesting in the first place. I kinda liked Awakening’s cast, but very few of them did more than amuse me; I only really ended up loving a small select few, whereas the rest were there for entertainment value. Improve characterisation, and their individuality will improve along with it. Rebalance the promoted classes as mentioned before, and it will be more or less ideal; the problem was always that most base promotions just weren’t as good, not that I actually wanted half my army to be Heros.
In conclusion, I want to keep freedom, choice, and player options. I’m not saying make If Awakening 2; I’m saying Awakening had things it does right, and I’d like to keep them. My big issue with Nohr is simply the fact that it and Hoshido are built on 2 completely different philosophies. Perhaps you like a core FE experience; nothing wrong with that, but there are better ways to keep it than just forcing it down everyone’s throat and thus restricting its appeal (regardless of what you think, there’s no question Awakening was the most successful FE to date, and that’s entirely because it opened itself up and made the series more accessible to new players). I hate the way Nohr is being handled for this reason:
Let’s imagine that perhaps I’m someone who hasn’t been with FE since it’s infancy. Let’s imagine that I’m a guy whose first FE was Awakening. Now, let’s imagine that as a result Hoshido’s setup appeals to me because of the extra content it offers (I’m hoping its easier difficulty can be offset by actual difficulty modes). So I play the Hoshido campaign for a while and what not, but out of curiousity I decide to also check out the Nohr campaign just for a change of pace. Upon starting the Nohr campaign, I quickly discover that it is dumbed down and restrictive compared to Hoshido, meaning that if I happen to enjoy the freedom of the Hoshido campaign, but perhaps prefer the Nohr characters and units more, then I’m just shit out of luck. Don’t you see the problem there? I’m literally punished for wanting to experience the other side by getting less content (and there’s no 2 ways about it; Nohr has significantly less content than Hoshido as it stands)!
They can talk all they want about how “oh, well to make up for the lost content, Nohr has a more intriguing story”, but that stops being a factor after your first playthrough. Once you know all the twists and turns, “intriguing” is no longer a substitute for missing content when the other campaign very easily offers that missing content. If I want to enjoy Nohr for anything other than its story, I get punished for it. How is that a good design choice, no matter what you think FE should be like?
“The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.”
OK, great, do that and only remove the trash mobs, that’s my only problem, because like I’ve said a 100 times they screw up the resource management. Shit make things like Trial maps, Challenges with predetermined armies, DLC maps and other diversions but make them not consume or augement your resources in the main campaign. Even better make split routes within the split campaign or different versions of the same chapter a la FE7. Make a post game where you can grind a la Sacred Stones. There can be a map in the Nohr version, but again I only don’t want that map to allow me to cap my characters in mission 7 where I can one-shot all enemies with a bronze sword. Sure you want to have that option, but that’s what the Hoshido version’s exists to do.
“Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.”
Then why are you so insistent on maintaining the framework of Awakening? Also looking further in your comment you also assume things of me, don’t be a hypocrite. (Here’s when you’re assuming things of me: “Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects.”)
“Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.”
As I’ve also said, OK this is an assumption, but the fact that the maps makes me think that IS was making the game easier for people to grind and the maps and gameplay style were changed so that half the enemy army could surround you and die. There’s no explicit proof of it. I’m assuming the intentions of the map designers and well is there evidence to contradict my claims?
“I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.”
Ok, great we agree that we’ll always have a different POV on this issue, but this is a franchise were weapons break all the time and your units have a limited amount of equipment they can have. There has to be a resource management element or the series will lose a part of the identity it forged. Same with permadeath and weapon triangle, that is always pushed in promotional materials.
“Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more becauseso many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).”
I meant in general that the design and personality Frederick has clashes with him being able to become a priest. Same with Chrom losing the ability to use swords when well he has 3 exclusive swords for him. Plus again, besides personality, you remember and like characters for what they can and can’t do and if they fit an archetype like Est. Canas is pretty much popular because he’s the only Dark Mage in his game. Awakening removes that with the reclassing. Cherche talking about Minerva all the time even if you reclassed her is just silly.
Second Seals could be left for the post-game. Sure I’ve gotten units maxed out, but there should also exist options that make the game enjoyable for people who want to clear the game the most optimal way possible (Spending funds, Turn counts, Exp gotten, no deaths).
“Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.”
Ok, so why didn’t they put that in Awakening, I would be all over that mode? Apparently, you can’t have a game or mode like that like the Nohr campaign, because IS gets people making baseless complaints about “losing content” or “not being able to grind all day.” They are already giving options to different types of players, hell they are making games for different types of players, but now the more casual fans want to screw over the classic fans. I want the Nohr version to play like FE7 did and expand on all the good things that game did, but oh no, the casual fans who began with Awakening are gonna bitch and moan about it. I’m sure they’ll also blow a fuse if there’s no marriage and children like last game.
It’s like Persona fans moaning about SMT IV because there’s no social links and party members. I’ll enjoy both versions thank you, but at least let me enjoy the fact and have fun with the version tailor made for me.
“So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.”
It’s a long and interesting video but Epic Name Bro nailed it why sometimes options screw games up.
The root is that easier or more lenient options can screw up the themes and message of a game. There should be space for food and music that’s an acquired taste and the same should be true of games. Don’t ask creators to water down their content, and if they do water down their content, heck make Casual players not get a star on their save file or have a lesser ending. MGS 5 handled the Reflex mode perfectly, you get a bonus on your score if you don’t use it.
Why can’t I have a version of a game I want? Seriously Awakening fans sound like Persona fans wanting all games in the franchise to appeal to them and them only.
I just want a game that handles itself like 10 of the 13 previous Fire Emblems. A playthrough that doesn’t allow me to max out my characters before the post game. I wouldn’t mind grinding post game and test myself against a similar mode like the Monster Ruins.
OK, great, do that and only remove the trash mobs, that’s my only problem, because like I’ve said a 100 times they screw up the resource management. Shit make things like Trial maps, Challenges with predetermined armies, DLC maps and other diversions but make them not consume or augement your resources in the main campaign. Even better make split routes within the split campaign or different versions of the same chapter a la FE7. Make a post game where you can grind a la Sacred Stones. There can be a map in the Nohr version, but again I only don’t want that map to allow me to cap my characters in mission 7 where I can one-shot all enemies with a bronze sword. Sure you want to have that option, but that’s what the Hoshido version’s exists to do.
Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mere existence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).
Then why are you so insistent on maintaining the framework of Awakening? Also looking further in your comment you also assume things of me, don’t be a hypocrite.
Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.
Ok, great we agree that we’ll always have a different POV on this issue, but this is a franchise were weapons break all the time and your units have a limited amount of equipment they can have. There has to be a resource management element or the series will lose a part of the identity it forged. Same with permadeath and weapon triangle, that is always pushed in promotional materials.
At no point did I ever suggest that weapons shouldn’t break or that the weapon triangle should disappear. I love the weapon triangle and the fact that individual weapons break (with the exception of plot relevant signature weapons; I’m hoping Yatogami [Kamui’s sword], Marx’s sword, and Ryoma’s sword are infinite just because it would be awkward for them to break and yet continue to be featured in cutscenes). Hell, I want the Anima triangle back as well! I think Casual Mode should stay though, because it was one of the biggest things that allowed Awakening to sell the best of the entire franchise, and we both want FE to continue selling and thus have more games made. Casual Mode is entirely optional, and thus I can’t really agree with any argument that attempts to factor them as “ruining the game” when anyone who doesn’t want it can select Classic, and forget that Casual ever existed (we’ll come back to this later).
I meant in general that the design and personality Frederick has clashes with him being able to become a priest. Same with Chrom losing the ability to use swords when well he has 3 exclusive swords for him. Plus again, besides personality, you remember and like characters for what they can and can’t do and if they fit an archetype like Est. Canas is pretty much popular because he’s the only Dark Mage in his game. Awakening removes that with the reclassing. Cherche talking about Minerva all the time even if you reclassed her is just silly.
Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1” Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).
Ok, so why didn’t they put that in Awakening, I would be all over that mode? Apparently, you can’t have a game or mode like that like the Nohr campaign, because IS gets people making baseless complaints about “losing content” or “not being able to grind all day.” They are already giving options to different types of players, hell they are making games for different types of players, but now the more casual fans want to screw over the classic fans. I want the Nohr version to play like FE7 did and expand on all the good things that game did, but oh no, the casual fans who began with Awakening are gonna bitch and moan about it. I’m sure they’ll also blow a fuse if there’s no marriage and children like last game.
My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It is missing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story will make up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.
You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.
The root is that easier or more lenient options can screw up the themes and message of a game. There should be space for food and music that’s an acquired taste and the same should be true of games. Don’t ask creators to water down their content, and if they do water down their content, heck make Casual players not get a star on their save file or have a lesser ending. MGS 5 handled the Reflex mode perfectly, you get a bonus on your score if you don’t use it.
There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; options expand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for other people as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).
It’s a long and interesting video but Epic Name Bro nailed it why sometimes options screw games up. (out of order, but is better addressed here)
On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.
Why can’t I have a version of a game I want? Seriously Awakening fans sound like Persona fans wanting all games in the franchise to appeal to them and them only.
Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal to more people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.
“Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mereexistence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).”
Sure it is a choice, can’t they give me a choice to not have that option present? Awakening didn’t, so I’ll have for now to assume they won’t give me that option if they include a world map in the Nohr version.
ENB said that the problem with it is that devs either assume that you grinded and balanced accordingly to keep the challenge or they assume you didn’t grind and when you take your grinded units they curbstomp. Like you said, give me a True Classic mode or allow me to turn weapon degradation and EXP for trash mobs. Even better, reward me for doing that for playing the proper way and don’t reward or punish players who do that.
Path of Radiance also presented a good choice for benched units. The BEXP system… which also gave you bonuses for being efficient or fulfilling secondary objectives. They can bring that back.
Hilariously I did do every quest in Xenoblade Chronicles, but it’s a false equivalency. Sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles tend to be harder than the main game, Gaiden chapters in Fire Emblem are rewards for playing well. FE 6 and 7 did this really well. They are taken into account into the rankings of those games.
“Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.”
I’d make them like FE 6-9 managed. It seems a little silly that Lon’qu who dislikes women can support with more women than man and can’t support Basilio and Flavia… Hell those two can’t support themselves. As I’ve said they can keep the map, the problem always comes around to… does the world map give me an easy way out of the game’s challenge? Not having that pressure for me lessens the experience and sense of achievement, especially if I had to resort to grinding.
“Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1″ Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).”
This is a nice solution. Nothing to complain here and sorry if I understood you wrong.
“My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It ismissing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story willmake up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.”
Why not try the Nohr version if you like the units battle? do you know if the third path will allow you to choice which units do you want? Freedom and choice aren’t always good in video games. Some of the best games are cinematic and linear and offer little choice. You can get the version that suits your needs.
How do you know Nohr is “gimped”? Do you know how they’re handling the side content in Nohr? What if there’s more replay value if they add alternate versons maps, different endings, Challenges, side chapters and other routes into it?
You don’t think that putting restrictions into a player’s game is a conscious decision by the makers of the game? You don’t think a better experience can be achieved if they balance the game to always put pressure on you?
All of this seems to stem from your hatred of limitations in games. Without limitations genres like survival horror lose their impact, luster and sense of achievement.
“You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.”
This is hypotethical what if Nohr has 10 more chapters than Hoshido? Are you getting your money’s worth? What if the structure of Nohr allows for more replay value?
“There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; optionsexpand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for otherpeople as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).”
Not all games are made for everyone, I hate it when devs dumb down a franchise to appeal to more people. Awakening’s concessions to classic players watered down the game. Lunatic mode you have only two options: Either only use Fem!Robin and Chrom if you don’t want to grind or grind to get gameplay similar to the other games.
To paraphrase the video:
“The thing is that this statement that you need always control over the game is arrogant and close-minded and conceited, because it assumes that you know everything about fun and the devs can’t teach you anything new. Tastes can change. I don’t think you know everything fun. I want the devs to tell me what is fun. That’s why you vary your tastes in games and music for example. They don’t all need to be the same and have the same options. Give yourself a chance to experience something new.”
“On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.”
Sure but the last few FE games have abandoned that type of customization, again go back to the solutions they had for Lunatic: Either grind or cheese the game. This is what has Veteran players (not myself necessarily) angry, they’ve been pushing the casual angle too much and form half-baked concessions to the Veterans.
“Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal tomore people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.”
Oh please don’t play the victim and straw man my argument. Putting more options isn’t always the best solution for the game or the player. Restrictions, linearity can be the point of a game, they can force the player to be more careful or creative in their approaches.
I am only asking for a “True Classic” mode. I’ve also given some suggestions (re-adding BEXP, Rankings, Punishing or not rewarding players who choose casual or grind). Rankings can push more casual players to try the harder and more traditional modes.
You assume Nohr will be lesser for some hypothetical reason. the game’s not out, again what if it has way more missions or side missions or Trial Maps or has the Ranking system?
The hardcore FE fans are more likely pissed because they have a valid reasoning to why Options & Freedom > Good, Well balanced and considered game balance.
“It’s my way or the high way” also seems incredibly dogmatic and restrictive. Not all games have to appeal to all human beings, like linear level design, it’s a tool for the developers to make the art they want.
You would be clamoring for games that treat the games like babies, for example adding a Easy mode to Dark souls, when the whole point of the game is to “Prepare to die” and any sense of accomplishment is gone if you know you have an easy way out. Even worse, would you be in favor of games that remove all the gameplay like what Bioware was attempting? You don’t think the gameplay would suffer if they implemented that.
Also, Human beings are elitist, some people like to feel better because they can do something others can’t. Rankings and True Classic Mode would be a great way to satiate the elitist Fire Emblem fans.
To quote ENB once again:
“The addition of an easy mode would detract from the experience of a game like Dark Souls. The possibility of failure is exactly what makes victory rewarding. Adding easy outs for the player to reduce the risk of failure lessens the experience for everyone- not just the people who use it.
Some people believe that they should have absolute control over the media they consume. Some people don’t. I DO care about what I can learn from a game. There are in fact plenty of games that allow you to enjoy them on your own terms, but this one doesn’t. And that is not a flaw of the game- it’s a feature. You have to adapt to the game, or you don’t get rewarded. You either get it, or you don’t.
This is not an interactive movie with a foregone conclusion. It’s a FUNDAMENTALLY different experience. If you want a title that caters to your whims, you are looking in the wrong place. One major reason why people love this game is BECAUSE it doesn’t hand you anything in a menu. You wanna see the end boss? Either get good or summon someone who is.”
So I just purchased 2 each of the starter decks, I assume they are the same cards in them? Then Two Booster Boxes of the Hero Swords along with Anya Kingdom Game. Can’t wait to see what I get.
The Starter Decks I have a feeling they are the same cards. A friend asked me to order a pair of starter decks. (I have a feeling Chrom, Masked Lucina, Tharja and Cherche are in there) so I think they should have the same cards in it. It is a “Starter” Deck after all.
As for the Booster Box, of course there is a chance of doubles. 16 Booster Packs – 10 cards each = 160 cards in total. I’ll see how it goes when I get the cards.
I’m pretty certain about the starter deck being the same but I did buy two of the starter decks with Chrom and the awakening characters just for the hell of it.
[…] can download all 12 volumes of the manga directly from our gallery. (Note that most of the “Read Online” links are currently disabled, as I slowly upload […]
I hope America decides to just put the game in one version. The third campaign as DLC I can deal with, though i’d prefer it to be included from the get-go as well. Even though I love the box art for the two versions, I don’t want two versions. I can deal with it in Pokemon since story never been important and there’s never been a big difference between a game and it’s counterpart in the series, but this game is very story focused and two versions will pull apart and detract from the experience.
Still, love the boxart, so can we have a reversible cover for this game Nintendo? (Assuming NA gets it all in one version)
“Fire Emblem if will feature DLC characters, accessible from download codes bundled with special packs of the TCG.”This troubles me…does that mean that the only way to obtain these characters will be from the TCG?Or will there also be standalone dlc in the nintendo e-shop?
The art is godly and I’m definitively interested in the game itself, but I’m hoping they’ll do a more complete rule presentation sometime. I’d like to see a complete match or rule explanation: I won’t go collecting these cards (if they were in English, maybe) but I’d be willing to play a few matches of this with the starter decks for sure!
[…] Thracia 776, for being released on the then-defunct Super Famicom, and the uncertain development of Fire Emblem 64, the series’s long-term future became […]
[…] was at this point the higher ups concocted a plan to get the series back on track during this difficult era, by moving the series from home consoles […]
Now that the series has been saved, hopefully they’ll move away from the simplicity and general “un-FEness” of Awakening. I personally feel that game was more 75% generic fantasy anime and only 25% Fire Emblem. Which is probably why it did so well in sales in both Japan and in the west. With them splitting FE14 into two (or three) games, hopefully they can make it so White is the casual game like Awakening is and make Black the more complex, TRUE FE game. Something similar in complexity to the Jugdral games, or hopefully as complex as the Tellius games.
Happy 25th, FE!! Stay alive so we can have another 25 years (though the series jumping the shark sometime in the future may or may not be a fate worse than death– No, Awakening did not jump the shark, per se…)
“the series found itself in a downward spiral of sales, leading to Heroes of Light and Shadow being the first game in the series to skip the Western market.”
Might want to put “the first game in the series to skip the Western market, since.” Obviously all the games skipped the Western market until FE7.
My collection is still incomplete, and I haven’t really finished displaying everything yet, but since it’s time for celebration I thought I should share too!
This is my pride and joy, and took me several years of hard work, but it was worth every penny so far!
Your first problem is that you need to seperate the color layer from the original lineart to color it. I’m not very good, but I could give it a shot. ^^
Like so: http://puu.sh/hmpxl/6e191a8fde.jpg Have fun. (The color is gone for the text. If I had time, I could prevent that, but… I’m being lazy~) Open that in something like Gimp, and it /should/ be transparent. If it isn’t, just look up a tutorial.
Honestly, reading the analysis, the SMT side of the analysis was definitely a bit off. The poppy, anime-influenced tone of the game is reasonably similar to the Persona and Devil Survivor games (both of which are spinoffs of SMT), but the core SMT games aren’t like this at all. Hell, the “Genei Ibunroku #FE” title is pretty similar to the Japanese title of the first Persona game, “Megami Ibunroku Persona.” And the battle system, from what we’ve seen of it, seems to be its own thing – none of the SMT games used a system like this game’s, even if they were turn-based. Honestly, the only SMT references I noticed were Atlus mascot Jack Frost appearing in a poster in the background, and the return of the Strike/Pierce/Slash attack types in a Fire Emblem-style triangle.
I mean, I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the game itself will be good, but it’s doing a pretty horrible job as a crossover – it feels more like they just made an entirely new game with Fire Emblem themes. They could’ve avoided a lot of fuss if they’d described it as “an Atlus/Intelligent Systems collaboration” rather than setting it up as a crossover.
“The Nohr campaign features diverse victory conditions”
Ohhhhhhhhhhh Myyyyyyyyyyyy Gooooooooooood!
… But does that mean the Hoshido part dosen’t have win conditions outside of “Kill Everything” like in Awakening? I mean I wanted Nohr ever since I read that it plays more like a classic FE but if the Hoshido part won’t have different winning conditions it’ll be kind of disappointing. Hahaha…
I get the feeling IS is basically making two games for two purposes:
Hoshido for the casual gamer, to be a financial success like Awakening;
Nohr for the ancients, the veterans, who hark from past eras of blood, sweat and tears.
So my wish came true, amiibo support. I really really hope Captain Falcon is compatibel with this game (For reference sake, look at the Smash 4 reveal trailer for Lucina)
PG 15 it´s really good, so we can expect a more “mature” and dense history ??
About the amiibo, its kinda obvious, but i really hope a far better work in DLC chars. I almost cried when i saw my beloved Lyn in FE awakening
But I really wonder why the rating increase. I imagine it won’t be for blood (Awakening didn’t have any and I’m sure this won’t either) and the violence is probably going to be the same as Awakening.
I don’t know. Camilla’s design isn’t really much worse than many things we saw in Awakening. Heck, I’d consider Aversa’s to be more suggestive than Camilla’s.
Yeah. However, as I said in the other half of the sentence, this story can be the darkest so far out of the Fire Emblem games. I suppose we won’t know until it comes out, but it might have to do with the fact that you might kill your little brothers and sisters. (Mainly the sisters.)
That’s not likely to happen.
M requires any one of the following:
Extensive and Gratuitous Swearing (Not “Damn” or “Hell” either, we’re talking words that rhyme with “Tuck” or “Hit”).
Sex (and not jokes either. Think Mass Effect or Dragon Age) Games rated T can have cleavage/thigh/bared midriff (See Hyrule Warriors) and still be T.
Extensive Blood/violence/gore (Again, think Mass Effect, Dragon Age or Skyrim). Games rated T can have blood (See StarCraft and Warcraft) but it has to be far more persistent and not just blood to hit M territory (see Diablo series)
Something tells me we’re not in danger of seeing the game rated M. It will likely be T with a few more descriptors in the ESRB box.
The 15+ is probably due to the fact that it’s similar to FE:A, but it may have a bit of blood, it looks like some parts of it will be really dark (especially the Nohr side) and the mental trauma of trying to keep all of your units alive~ X3
Hey . . . there are some characters on the ends there that we haven’t seen before! That white-haired well-dressed guy and that older-looking purple-haired man . . . I don’t remember seeing them before.
Imagine if they released a new wave of amiibo exclusive to fire emblem if! That would actually make me buy them for once!!! (plus Sakura amiibo would be adorable!!!)
Unfortunately I didn’t get any pics either, but I can definitely confirm there are retail displays for If in multiple locations in Tokyo, notably several SoftMap stores, where you can also preorder a 3DS LL console with an If design.
Hey little prick, you saying my son, who is 9 years old, incompetent? The game was hard for someone like him but your ugly think that he is stupid? Do yourself a favor and stop limiting yourself only to your ugly ass.
Your 9 year old son should not be playing video games especially not Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is not a kids game. Be a responsible parent. People like you are the reason we don’t have nice things.
Compared to a similar game called Super Robot Wars, Fire Emblem had a LOT less innuendos. They both have the same age rating (Teen), and there were barely any in the first few Fire Emblem games. Super Robot Wars, however, was dropping them AT LEAST every other chapter. I didn’t understand them at the time, AS I WAS 5 when I played the game for the first time.
Are you being serious right now? Have you seen kids playing games like COD? I guess not because having my kids playing something other than COD is better.
I don’t think the target audience is 9 year olds. I’m saying that Phoenix mode really just came out of left field, and will attract minimal new fans or sales (if anything, it will become a ridicule point).
I started playing fire emblem before I was 9.. It isn’t an age specific game. I’m 21 and still love them. I mean yea Phoenix mode sounds ridiculously easy but what is the point in hating on it? Some people like more of a challenge than other do.
Lunatic+. even on casual, lunatic+ is a pain in awakening. and assuming it comes back, i might just use phoenix mode on it on my first playthrough through lunatic+… i dont think its confirmed to be back yet, but lunatic has.
Yeah how dare people not like a feature in a game, they must be demonized, mistreated and called salty whiners. This feature is going in everyone’s copy whether they like it or not. If you dare have the opinion (and it is an valid opinion, even if it’s regarding an option) that the game is lesser because it offers you options that remove pressure and sense of accomplishment. By the way, yes it does, even when you’re playing on super hardcore ultra super no casuals mode and you’re having your ass kicked, your first thought is… man I may want to lower the difficulty or if I was playing easy Mode I wouldn’t have so much trouble.
I would say that it’s a valid opinion to have that difficulty select screen are basically implanting the idea that you’re going or can complete the game, you’re just choosing how frustrating it will end up being. Not having a difficulty select option can be a feature for players, because it makes them uncertain if they can or will ever complete the game, making them more immersed and focused on the game. It’s the appeal of games like Nethack or any roguelike.
To paraphrase a wiser man than myself:
“When players say easy mode cheapens the game that’s what they mean it reduces the risk of failure which is an important tool the dev uses for having a sense of accomplishment so when a player player says even having the options cheapens the game, that’s what they mean. the risk of failure is not the same. If you put the easy way out it goes into everyone’s copy. “
Also all they’ve shown so far is how simplified the game is, so when are the features that appeal to the older fans gonna be shown, if they exist at all. The point of the versions was to have various flavors of Fire Emblem, hopefully they will show they care about the old fans soon or it will get frustrating.
This changes affect players emotionally. It’s not entirely rational.
– People like to brag about things they can do others can do, if your friends.
– This is going into everyone’s copy.
– People like feeling like they’re between a rock and a hard place, having a way out affects them. Sure they can have self-control and not choose the easy mode. I still feel like it’s unnecessary annoyance that is present in the back of your mind, I’ve had this personally happen to me in some games, but rarely take the temptation.
– Difficulty select screens feels like, choose your victory for many players. I’ve never had that, but I think it’s a valid grievance. Some people like to be unsure if they’ll be able to clear the game.
– This doesn’t necessarily apply to Fire Emblem. It applies to genres like Roguelikes and horror games more.
– This doesn’t apply to me. It just ticks me off that people with valid feelings and grievances, even if they are partially irrational are demonized.
– If this was free day-one DLC few would have a problem.
So no, people don’t care how other people play game, people care about how their experience may be adversely affected. For the third time, it’s a valid way to feel about things, although not 100% rational.
Yeah how dare people like added features in a game, they must be demonized, mocked and called salty casuals who aren’t handsome hardcore Fire Emblemers like ME… I mean us.
Dude I love games like Kirby’s Epic Yarn. I personally don’t care, but I dislike it that people are being mean to people with valid complaints about the difficulty and am trying to explain why they may feel that way.
In quite the ‘shove in your face because I’m important’ way. I understand your point, but seriously. Mocking? EVERY FREAKING SERIES ADDS SOMETHING NEW. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. And seriously: Casual was a major part of why people bought Awakening. Awakening saved the Fire Emblem franchise. Think about it before shoving your hard-boiled ‘ideas’ down people’s throats.
You really can’t expect games to be THAT perfect, can you? You never have to click that feature, and I’m sure that once you get the game and start playing it you’ll forget all about Phoenix Mode. If you’re seriously tempted to switch to a lower difficulty… do you have no willpower at all?
How many people do you think were attracted to Fire Emblem: Awakening because of Lunatic+ mode? I’d wager very few — less than the amount of custom generated by Phoenix Mode at least. Hell, how many people who bought Fire Emblem: Awakening do you think actually BEAT Lunatic+? Games shouldn’t cater to you, they should cater to everyone.
You don’t know what I’m thinking so how can you be sure that I’ll stop thinking of Phoenix/Casual Moce. Especially when you can lower it permanently if you fail. I do have willpower to not choose it, I never chose Causal mode in Awkening, even when playing in lunatic. It’s more of Navi nagging me about stuff in Ocarina of Time.
It’s knowing that even if I never touch it or use it I have a way out and not feel like I’m between a rock and a hard place. When I die in awakening, particularly my Lunatic playthrough, casual was the first thing that came too mind and I just shrugged it off. Ideally, I should’ve been thinking of how to do better next time.
For me having a difficulty select screen says that the game can be cleared and you’re choosing how hard the rock and hard place is. Roguelikes don’t give a fuck. They’ve been having a resurgence because of people getting tired of games being made with the purpose of being cleared. Hell, Super Mario Bros. also didn’t care, yet is still fun and no one complains about the lack of easy mode there.
I played Fire Emblem because the permadeath, breakable weapons and characters that managed a single role. That sounded cool when Fire Emblem 7 came out and I was 11, so I bought it. Note that all these features have been made optional or removed.
Similarly I bought the Europa Universalis Games not because of how casual they sounded, but because they seemed complex and willing to respect the dedicated player. Not because it has casual mode or “you can’t lose mode.” The difficulty or lack of options can be a selling point. I know this because that’s why I bought Fire Emblem 7.
Catering to everyone is a pointless endeavor and you end up with washed up video games like Resident Evil 6, Clash of Clans and Candy Crush. Catering to everyone is catering to nobody. It’s just bland and safe entertainment.
There are people who will hate Fire Emblem no matter what and catering to them is pointless. Still, it seems that IS is more concerned with them than their old fans like me who will still buy the product no matter what, that’s a little sad.
It stills disgusts me the treatment that people receive that when something that affects their enjoyment of the game negatively are treated with bile, disrespect, and condescension. Sorry it affects them, I don’t think they’re good at expressing it, but it’s similar to how I feel.
I feel more immersed because well it’s not gonna get easier, so I better pay attention, I also have to learn all the mechanics and systems, because well, if not I’m gonna get my ass kicked and lose, and there’s no way out of it. Every decision counts more, each turn is more nerve wracking, each advantage you manage to gain is more significant because again, there’s no way out. Even if I never turn the mode out or give it a glance it still is in the back of my mind when I lose, get frustrated or can’t think of anything else.
Plus human beings in general like to brag about things they do that others can’t and sure you may be more skilled and reach a secret mission on Lunatic and feel more accomplished than if another person did it on Phoenix mode. Still the way to be really accomplished s if the other player never even sees it. It’s selfish and greedy, but hey that’s why some people do X things in video games. I can brag about doing all the sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles but would feel less accomplished if people did them with less effort on an easier difficulty setting.
Also pretty crappy that playing on the harder difficulties isn’t incentivized by IS, you’d think they’d want people to but apparently they want to coddle their players into barely learning to play the game optimally or with challenge.
I’d do with a glowing save file, rank system, achievement or trophy I can brag about to people. Anything that makes Is take note of my achievement instead of not caring how people play their game or what they managed to accomplish in it. Because I think that screwed up Awakening.
Your twin visions are equally useless.
Nobody’s right or false at this subject because it’s just an idiotic confrontation of opinions. However, something has to be say : considering video games like something else than pure entertainment is not bad and letting this media to become casual won’t be good for everyone in the future.
As others said, phoenix mode has no sense other than in lunatic (or lunatic+) difficulty; that is all. If someone needs phoenix mode to play fire emblem, this is nonsense (without saying a word about the spirit of the game, which could be discussed, I admit). Graphics, music, story aren’t the only thing that define a video game; there is the gameplay too. And the gameplay of this game in particular can only be apprehend with a certain degree of difficulty, a frustration, a mass of reflexion and a strategy. Without these elements, we don’t play the same game.
I don’t mind people who want to play with no frustration at all, but they could ask to themselves if they have chosen the appropriate game… In that way of thinking, The Danman has the right to defend the game and the media. It’s to casual people to adapt to the players who think video game is as serious as the cinema. In fact they have the right to apprehend the game in their way; not to depreciate the media because their way of playing.
No one said that they have to use casual or phoenix mode on only normal difficulty. Consider the difference in strategy for something like: phoenix/lunatic+.
EDIT: oh, now they have confirmed that phoenix mode is only for normal mode… lame.
Hey, if *Bunny-Phoenix-Slope-Mode* increases sales and keeps Fire Emblem alive for a few more years (or a decade even), I’m all for it.
As long as they don’t take away Classic Mode, I don’t think it’s really a problem (now if they did then that’d be something to get angry about).
…Of course I won’t ever use *Bunny-Slope-Mode*… (unless they have a secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++! Mode in which you fight Fomortiis, Grima, Nerge, and a Family-Sized Starship on the first chapter… then I’d consider it.)
And the Endgame of Secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++!, wanna take a guess? ALL Past Fire Emblem characters. Maxed-out stats, all with Limit Breaker. (That means HUNDREDS of enemies! Oh JOY!)
Don’t forget the thousands of generics you have to get through on that chapter before you get the *privilege* of fighting the characters who have a name and mugshot. And at the start of every player phase all your units’ HP is reduced to 1 and at the start of every enemy phase 8 generics all warp to surround your units with max’d out stats, limit breaker, and the LOLUDIEDEDLOSER skill equipped. Also, because of LOL, such skills as Sol, Counter, and any other skills remotely useful in a masochistic torture fest (such as this mode) suddenly disappear from your units’ skill slots.
I just wish they could have had kept a smithy, to keep a similar level of complexity like where to focus funds that way. Holy War did it fine since gold wasn’t pooled, the battles were long, and the weapon ranks were fixed.
This makes me even more sure that Aqua won’t be a traditional dancer, but rather some kind of Dancer/Lancer/Lord Class. Seeing as the Avatar is a Dark Prince/Princess (Manakete/Sword/Lord), Wouldnt it make sense for Aqua to be a similar mix of classes, if she is designed to be Kamui’s foil? (Perhaps they’ll even go as far as calling her Light Princess?)
Well, Olivia wasn’t a traditional dancer either, seeing as she could use a sword. Units who can’t fight in a FE may (or may not) be a thing of the past…
I suppose I have mixed feelings about unbreakable weapons. On one hand, a unique bit of FE strategy has passed (“Don’t use the Rapier because we may need it later!!”)… but, on the other hand (provided Weapon Forging returns), forging Alm’s Blade or whatever other neat assorted weapons we’d get to play with isn’t a total waste of time!
On a related note, the weapon durability system was nearly completely broken in Awakening seeing as you could basically buy Hammerne staves from a shop towards the end of the game (a randomly generated Secret Shop, but a shop just the same)… not to mention just how many other things you could horde with the right DLC…. *Edit because I just remembered* AND the restocky-thingy too…
As for Phoenix Mode, I’m just grateful they only added it and didn’t take away Classic Mode.
Normally I might be confused at the utility of Phoenix Mode… Easy Casual was pretty hard to die in intentionally… but then I realized.
Lunatic+
You know, Luna+ & Absolute Hit with a Hammer mode on poor Fredrick? I’m pretty sure we could all still manage to loose spectacularly in that mode assuming that it’s still Game Over for the Lord and other important characters.
Sorta… If this information is right then you and her basically switched places, but in the end she chooses the same family as you. Which might mean she is your adopted sister, but I doubt they will actually classify it as such in game and you will probably be able to marry her(if marriage is in) since she is neither your blood sister and you weren’t raised with her as siblings.
“This particular detail hasn’t been confirmed, but it seems the
blue-haired songstress, Aqua, may be in a similar but reverse position
as the Avatar. According to reports, she is the princess of Nohr taken
prisoner by Hoshido.”
Hoping this gets confirmed ‘cuz I’m just laughing in my chair right now and will laugh all the way through all Mandark style if it is. Peace loving Hoshido my butt!
Y’know, Phoenix mode sounds dumb but it offers a new way to play the game.
Like having a playthrough in which your goal is to beat the chapters while killing off all of your army as much as possible. Then we all share our records.
Anyway, Phoenix Mode sounds silly, but then again it’s not aimed at players like me. Anyone who actually ridicules others for picking Phoenix Mode is just a dick.
It wouldn’t really work for this game since you have to look at least somewhat like your four siblings. Hopefully the next game with an Avatar allows you to pick skin color.
A lot of Asians are tan, actually (myself included). Tan Asians just aren’t as well-represented in Asian media because white skin is considered attractive in most East Asian countries.
Not sure how to feel about the whole “no durability on weapons” thing. I’m sure it’s something I’ll get used to. As for the Phoenix Mode, I don’t see why not? It’s just a silly thing for people to play with. If you don’t want it, stick to classic. I think the more options people have, the better. Overall, still really looking forward to this game!
The Phonix mode is AN OPTION !!
If u dont like, dont choose it, Its very simple. People really feel ashamed cause the game can be finished by casual players ??
This Phonix mode will make FE a more friendish game, and more people will come to like it. More popularity more games. Or these people didn’t know that the franchise was about to be discontinued by nintendo cause Fire emblem it wasn’t selling as they expected ??
the weapons durability was a nice system, but on the other hand, it´s suks to not use a cool-motherfuker-godlike weapon cause u dont want to break it (yea FE is dificult enough to make u use them), with this mode we all could enjoy a nice weapon at our content. it may be a nice implement (or not)!!
See when I first heard that the avatars dragonstone could not break I thought it would just be like that for certain items. I thought beast and dragon stones having a durability to be ridiculous. The +stones yeah I can see why, maybe not tikis but whatever. I also thought it weird you can buy them. Like Nah brings up to Cynthia that dragonstones are rare a precious and should be wasted on dumb things like looking like a bad ass. Like Nah, Ive got leaif blades, Inigo with rightful king, AND he has despoil. We have infinite money right there.
I wish regular weapons had durability still though. It added a point of strategy and made for some tense moments trying to get Chrom or someone over to a unit to give them a new weapon if theirs broke.
Well, I can get why they rolled with Phoenix Mode and they’re not wrong per say. But people shouldn’t be afraid to challenge new things just because it seems a little daunting. They may end up liking it more than they thought.
Well, that’s just my take. More power to the devs and for those who go down this path. Classic Hard is always the way for me.
“With those hot topics behind us for now, there was a spicy rumour about the heroine, Aqua, which we can now confirm to be true.
Similar to the Avatar, Aqua was originally the princess of Nohr, taken
prisoner by Hoshido. The circumstances of her capture are unknown, but
it does raise a lot of questions.”
Hoshido or Nhor ?? damn you Intelligent system, i never was as happy as pissed with a choice :v
i loved the Nohr’s royal family, but i want to protect Kamui’s hometown. It’s a a fuking dificult choice but i’ll probably chose Nhor and change the kingdom from inside.
So… I still don’t have something perfectly clear. Both campaigns are available in ONE game, right? it’s not going to be something like Pokemon where you have to chose a specific version of the game (FE if: Hoshido or FE if: Nohr), RIGHT?
That question has multiple answers:
In Japan, it’s being sold in two versions, plus a limited edition (that’s sold out) with both versions on-cart, plus a download code for the third campaign.
NOA however presented it as an in-game choice, so I don’t know.
Ditto with NOE, though there’s something that makes it seem like they’ll do multiple versions.
My best guess as to our silver-haired mystery man’s name is Aquinas (アキナス). キ and ス are visible, and then out of the letters with those bottoms, ア and ナ are the most probable, thus Aquinas.
I was wondering if you could possibly get a larger scan or screenshot of the Nohr family like you did with the Hoshido? Unless you got it from another source, in which case, sorry for bothering you.
Edit: whoa, why aren’t my comments showing up on the list…
What are they doing to the by many beloved FE formula 🙁
I mean, I would still buy the game. I am going to buy it no matter what.
But major changes like this are. not. necessary.
They’re making things easier for casuals, while attempting to appeal to old fans but inserting artificial complexity.
Honestly I think these changes are hilarious and unnecessary. They feel like an afterthought.
Will still get the game though. Just doesn’t feel like this will be Fire Emblem.
Sounds like you just don’t like change in general. Aside from Phoenix mode, nothing is making the game “easier”. Honestly the new way of handling weapons brings a lot more stategic elements rather than the tedious item management of old.
It’s true the changes are not necessary, but having played all the games in the series up to now, I’m welcome to change. In my opinion, it’s better for the series to change and improve, rather than stay the same. Otherwise, I may as well play the older games.
Exactly because we are all gonna buy it anyway after Awakening is why this is an easy time for experimentation. I’m expecting some of these changes to return in later games, others not. It all depends how well they all work
New classes !! Maybe these are IF´s only classes, but i really love new classes.
Great Butler is obviously Buttler advanced class, im really loking into Maid´s and Ninja´s advanced ones.
So, does anyone know if that -2 to Str and Skl on Silver Weapons is cumulative? Like, do you reduce them after each attack, until you’re whittled down into dealing no damage? Because that’ll make them pretty bad for chokepoints, which, I admit, would be a shake-up to established tactics.
It says there that it is until next turn, so most likely it will just be restore at the end of the turn, you use it, you get the -2 leaving you vulnerable during the enemy phase, on your next phase you should have the Str and Skl again on normal.
I know it’ll be restored at the end of the turn. What I’m asking, is if you kill a guy, then another guy comes up to you and you kill him, does that mean that you’re down to -4 Str until the next turn? So that if more and more enemies throw themselves on you, that you’re Str gets worse and worse until you can’t hurt anything until the next turn?
Because that just kills choke point potential, which has been one of the main tactics for FE for a long, LONG time.
Wow, I actually did not think of it that way. Well, with the few information we have I’d assume that it would work that way, probably the it is only after you use the “attack” command, if so, no reductions should be done when being attacked. Hopefully this will get clarified once we have the full article translated or newer articles.
This assumes there will be choke points at all. Do we know if the maps are designed any better than Awakening? Although I guess being reduced to 0 damage in the middle of a wide, open field would also suck.
Don’t use Silver weapons at choke points then. I think that’s the point of this new system: some weapons are useful in certain situations but completely ill-suited in others. We have to determine which is the most suitable on our own.
I personally don’t think the debuffs would be accumulative though, I imagine it would be just once. But we’ll have to see…
To me it clearly means that every time you use it, your Str and Skl are reduced by 2. At the end of your turn they are back to normal, and then the next time you use it again they are reduced by 2 back to -2.
What I’m more interested to know is whether attacking with a silver sword twice in one fight will reduce it by 4, and whether, presuming something like Galeforce returns, using it 4 times in one turn (twice in two fights) will reduce by 8. It could get rather crippling, and I’m not sure if I like it or not yet.
Silver Sword: Critical Evade -5; AFTER USING, Strength and Skill -2 UNTIL NEXT TURN
Brave Sword: Allows 2 consecutive attacks, Defence and Resistance -4
The caps are my emphasis. There’s a pretty clear distinction between the Brave weapons (which appear to be exactly as you say) and the Silver.
I was hoping that someone who read Japanese had taken a look at the article to see if what I said was true, but I guess the author of the article had already given all the information available.
I have been rather perplexed with all changes they’ve made thus far. But this is good news, truly a marriage of the weapons and magic triangles. The balance seems good and if they limit the # of Weapons, I’m sold! You have my interest.IS. Also, I like Felicia and like that she’s on both sides! 🙂
No confirmation yet, but frankly I think its for sure coming back. Dark and traditional Anima will be Nohr, and Light plus new Anima (like Ice Magic) will be Hoshido.
Depending on how Kozaki feels about releasing his work, to me I feel this weekly countdown to awakening on Famitsu would be a good as chance as any to reveal a full-bodied character (like around the size of the royal family official arts that were in the previous week). Like….this would have been a good chance as any to get a better look at either Cyrus or Oboro. Ergg! Well, I’m hoping there’s also an art book for If.
I am okay with this, actually. It’ll help create different strategies for my play style. Now I just hope that the map design isn’t as stale as Awakening’s was.
I think I might prefer it this way. Now I have incentive to use something other than a brave or steel sword. I probably still will 90% of the time anyway, but at least there’s something there instead of a direct tier progression with the only incentive being durability. Also I wonder if they’ll bring back the magic triangle.
Change is good, it maybe won’t work out, but excluding the abolition of the weapon durability, none of the announced implements will actually change the core of Fire Emblem Gameplay, note that WE Gaiden also use this method. Still they are changing this aspect of the strategy to try a new one.
I see many people talking bad about they want to make FE if more casual, but they cant remember that exactly why FE franchise still exist. FE awakening was to be the last game, but because the changes, and the appeal to casual gamers the game was a fuking sucess, and now we have this great FE project.
damn, it’s really sad that Butler and Maid are promoted classes. It`s known that early promoted classes, are OP early game, and sucks late game … (cof frederick) Damn you Intelligent system D:
hard to know D:
but i reeeally hope they are not early promoted, they seems to be unique classes like Dancer and Lord.
Every FE has one early promoted to hold early game, but they are normaly Great Knight, and Noh already have one. hope still lives
Well they’re almost purely support classes really, all they need is to not get hit and get their hits in to debuff the enemies. So its not like they won’t be totally useless especially if their levels aren’t capped at 30.
I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t really get what would promote to Maid or Butler. I’d put more money on them being special classes like Dancer, which would make sense because they focus on support overall.
I guess I’d like to have a Healer-Jeigen rather than a Jeigen that could actually steal my EXP if I wasn’t a veteran of FE enough to know to avoid said Jeigen like the plague.
It seems to me like Butlers/Maids are the Nohrian healer class whist Hoshido seems to be going more traditionally FE (Sakura the Priestess) with clerical healers… If that’s true, I think it’s brilliant, as in the tropes and classes actually have a hand in the storytelling and world building (as opposed to Bernese healers, Lycian healers, and Etrurian healers all using the same staves and are clerics/priests of the same church). They also seem to be doing well in that the new classes seem to be functioning the same way the healers did in the elder games; so storytelling elements and a continuity of gameplay-function at the same time!! ^_^
I hope I can have bright red hair in this game because for whatever reason you couldn’t have red hair in awaking. Oh and hot pink. Also hoping dudes get hair accessories has well. In Japan hair bands are popular with younger men and its not like the world will explode if a dude had a feminine hair piece. I want flowers in my hair.
Cutlery. It worked for Sebastian from Black Butler. 😀
Then again, if they were geared entirely towards both serving and protecting their employer, they would have some martial skill and experience in subterfuge to go with it.
Sabotage wouldn’t be too far out of the question or information gathering-keeping an ear to the ground to ensure there are no threats within their staff and so on. Really it would depend on the person.
Concealable weaponry would be ideal so knives would be more appropriate, but think along the lines of maybe how royal butlers/guards are portrayed. Hand to hand combat perhaps? You wouldn’t mess with them regardless of the choice.
Judging by the images, it seems like Aqua or her pendant has the power to control water. Perhaps it’s the Nohr’s equivilent to the Dragon’s Vein ability?
both royal families has the Dragon’s Vein ability … in theory all of them could use it, but only in special occasions.
But maybe, just maybe, each of them has one different Dragon´s Vein ability. Kamui coul control space time, and Aqua water (just a theory)
I find it odd that the royal family in Nohr have the same ability as the royal family of Hoshido. It’d make more sense if both were reffered to as Dragon’s Vein, but had different effects, like Aqua’s waterbending. (Not going to lie, that’s pretty much what it is.)
the producers said that both families members will have Dragon Veins, and will only be an option in special ocasions, like rebuild a bridge ore start a water flood. More details are still unclear, but I think the effect will vary with the trigger not with the characters
Nope, the characters are only used to illustrate Attack Stance/Guard Stance. In the “battle” on the left, Camilla is standing next to Marx who initiates an attack on Ryouma; Camilla would join the battle and Dual Strike. In the other image, pairing Sakura with Hinoka would boost the latter’s stats; however, Sakura cannot Dual Strike.
Just wondering, does anyone knows what the 7 customisation options are? In Awakening, there were the 5: build, face, hair, hair colour and voice, and we know there will be a hair accessory option. Does anyone know what the 7th option translates to?
Their reasoning for the abolishing of weapons is terrible. I really hope the added depth adds complexity as opposed to makes things easier. I understand appealing to newcomers, but this change affects vets too… If anything, it should have been optional.
Don’t know, i like what they did with that.
Like i won’t give brave weapon for all units (-4 for def and res? it can be one dead unit after one turn). It isn;t what i’ll call *make game easier*. Without weapon durability game become *less tedious* yeah.
I like the new complexity too, but I don’t know if they’ll make good on their word. I hope it’s as complex as it sounds on paper AKA the units are actually affected by said buffs and debuffs.
???
I don’t think i follow. We can already see that units actually affected by buffs and debuffs. And what the point in removing features after telling that they are in game?
When they say they did it to make the game easier for newcomers, I still don’t see it. Like, with durability, all you had to think about is what weapon to use (though I can understand with Nohr because the lack of ability to earn money outside the main game. Hoshido on the other hand….it just depends on how much money you’re able to get), but with the buff system, it seems they’ll have to require more thinking in deciding what weapon to use for their unit. I mean I have no issue with the whole thing. It just seems like they didn’t make things easier despite what they claim because now newcomers have to worry about things like “Double Attack Threshold” numbers.
Again the Change the fe mechanics sometimes in the franchise especially the weapon mechanics. Ok first off sometimes a franchise need something new I can’t be the same thing over and over. Second you do realize there are thing in the game that still make it hard right.
Three things I noticed/liked~:
1) It was kind of obvious of them to get rid of hand-held ranged-weapons’ ability to double-attack. Because if you think about it realistically, once you throw your javelin over a wall….you’re not getting it back.
2) People/IGN can stop complaining about butler and maid classes as they promote into actual canon classes now.
3) MALE PEGASUS KNIGHTS!!!! TSUBAKI is most likely a guy now
I’m pretty sure Tsubaki is a guy since he uses the male pronoun “ore” in one of the scans. Can never be sure, though, he could be a really boyish girl since Sully used “boku”, another male pronoun. …I say he’s a guy.
More than can be counted, my good sir (no, really). The tropes make up half what FE truly is. I can live without weapon durability, but never take away my Jeigen’s, my Navarre’s, my Caeda’s, my Est’s, my Cain’s, my Abel’s, and my Gotoh’s (that was just the stuff I remember off the top of my head. A half hour from now, I’d have remembered twice that). XD
“More appealing for newcomers” seems like a blatant marketing tactic to me. There is just no way they would be so brutally honest with such a controversial subject as this, unless there’s a good reason. It’s just like them saying the Hoshido path is more appealing to Awakening players despite the fact that grinding costs like 1000+G each battle…
Compared to weapon durability, there are a lot of other much more lethal things like enemy dual-strikes, difficult/complex map objectives etc. that are easier to turn new players away than weapons having limited uses (which has rarely been a problem anyway unless in higher difficulty due to the massive amount of resources that we tend to get), yet they still had no problem including and CONSTANTLY ADVERTISING those stuffs.
Therefore, I’m of the opinion that they’re only using “new players” as an excuse to test out something new, yet still attract newcomers at the same time.
…That is exactly my point. In case I haven’t made myself clear, I was saying that people shouldn’t read too much into their claim that certain options were added/removed just for the sake of new players (and thus having no concern about the veterans), while it isn’t necessarily always the case. Development changes happen, they wanted to test out new things, there didn’t even need to be a reason for that, they could very well just shake things up for the sake of having something new. But hey, saying that they’re considering the newcomers help sell the game, so why not?
Also, in Awakening, Risens pop up after a while so you can freely grind if you have enough patience, but that’s beside the point here.
I think that Fire Emblem:If will be a bit too easy. Like… Phoenix mode, a mode where your units never really die- that takes away the strategic and emotional challenge that IS Fire Emblem. Not to mention the removal of weapon durability. Instead of removing it all together, they should have given the players the option if they want to turn durability off/on. That way, they will be pleasing people who are worried about their weapon’s condition, AND the people who are looking for a bit of a challenge. What do you guys think?
Oh oops, I forgot about the enemy pair ups, sorry about that… But one thing that I really wanted was the option to turn durability on/off. Tbh, I actually found the games to be a bit more thrilling with durability, cause in real life, weapons do break if they are overused time and time again. I understand that they would remove durability for the Nohr campaign, but what about Hoshido? We’ll probably be drowning in weapons, and I’m not sure selling them would kinda work out. I mean, we usually bought MORE weapons with our money though, right? We can buy more medicine and all that but I don’t know… It just doesn’t sound as challenging anymore…
I don’t really know, when I was doing my no grind runs in Awakening, Cash wasn’t exactly the easiest thing to come by and presumably with unbreakable weapons comes higher price point per weapon as well as shops not having unlimited weapons on sale. So with the more horizontal progression, buying weapons still retains that economic factor. This all comes down the execution which can’t be easily stated in interviews and the like so we’ll have to see how it turns out in june. There’s also the speculation that Hoshido’s “World map” isn’t actually a world map, just a method to take optional battles (Which also can put economic strain in ways the Nohr campaign does not).
weapons do break in real life, but no self-respecting army would fail to do proper maintenance on their weapons to keep them from breaking. Outright unbreakable still seems kinda sketch, I would have liked it if it was like weapons get their durability reset at the end of battles, but I guess we’ll have to see the game before we know if it’s good or not.
There’s nothing to be scared of on an optional option. I’m assuming you’ve at least played another FE title before so would have no need to go on Phoenix. No one is losing anything by playing Phoenix. If those players thought the game was too easy or decide to write a bad review on it then it shouldn’t matter because 1) They paid for the game, not like they can return it 2) Everyone else will know they did it on the easy-as-all-hell Phoenix mode so their complaints will have zero standing.
I’m actually not scared of Phoenix in the slightest. I’m not a fan of it, but it really is what it is. I’m just wondering if the lack of durability is for the better as we’d have some replacement options, but they are untested meaning it could go great or horribly. It’s a case of tried and true vs the new, and as someone who likes the mechanics, I’m more on the side of tried and true. However, by a month from now we’ll have a good indication of the game and its new mechanics as a whole.
There’s already been a game without weapon durability. I think it was fe 3 or 4 but I can’t remember specifically. Admittedly, it was done differently and there was a very limited number of weapons but from what we’ve heard the weapons will have distinct drawbacks and advantages which will be enough to warrant having to bring different weapons with you and developing different strategies around each of their effects.
Er… ‘visions’? do you mean ‘versions’? I’m sorry, I was a bit confused there for a sec XD anyways, yeah I admit I kinda forgot about the enemy pair ups, but casual was already a bit easy enough. At least for casual, if your units die, they will stay out of the battle, thus making you change your plans and think a bit more. However, with the new Phoenix mode, the player doesn’t really need to change their battle tactics, only trying to keep the rest of their units alive for one turn. I know you don’t have to play Phoenix, but with that mode, it kinda takes away the whole challenge.. At least in my opinion..
Oh sorry i must have spelled “vision” on my phone by mistake, but hey I have to say that’s a pretty weak way to laugh at something.
1: yeah even in causal you can still lose, you just need to Protect the main characters. Also in causal they don’t stay dead dipshit they come back after your done.
2:in chess there is thing called back spacing were you can take back and it’s kind of like Phoenix.
1. Yes, I knew that they come back to life afterwards. I just didn’t feel like explaining it sorry.
2. Did not know that since I don’t have the chance to play chess that often
3. May you please be a bit more specific about ‘it’s about learning’? I don’t really think I understand what you mean… Do you mean learning about different strategies?
And I really apologize about prolonging this discussion. Also, one more thing-
May you please kinda stop it with the name-calling? Calling someone a ‘dipshit’ or a ‘dumbass’ can really hurt them.
1: yes because you had so much time on how funny the word “vision”.
2:do you know how some games play where the put you on easy at first ,but then they lead you to hard? anyway they are a lot of new players especially the younger gamers aka kids that might want to play a strategic game.
1. sorry about putting the ‘XD’ I have a tendency to kinda laugh (or at least put a lil laughing emoji/smiley) on conversations that I feel are getting a bit intense/heavy/you get the point so it can kinda lighten the atmosphere. I didn’t really laugh or find it at all funny.
2. I see your point. Thank you for clearing that up! 😀
Deal with it. You’ll be glad they implemented both of those when Lunatic+, or possibly Lunatic++ rolls around. That should be dificult enough for you. And the fact is, you don’t HAVE to use Phoenix mode, so don’t complain about it.
Haha, yes Lunatic+/Lunatic++ would be a bit of a nightmare XD
And I’m not really complaining about the new Phoenix mode. I just have some mixed feelings about it. Like yes, it makes our lives a whole lot easier since we know that our units will spring back to life on the next turn. But because of that fact, some players may have a tendency to not think about the battle too much (I may have worded that weirdly I don’t know XD), thus taking away it’s strategic challenge. Say for casual. We know our units will come back WHEN THE FIGHT IS OVER. However, in the meantime, the player must come up with another new plan on how to win the battle without those units who have just died.
If newcomers find the game boringly easy on Phoenix mode they could always just change the difficulty/start a new game. If they liked it as Phoenix then so be it. One can hope that they’ll like the game enough to replay/buy the other versions and play it on a higher difficulty. Though I got to say if they do get all three version and do Phoenix on all of them….well um….yeah…I guess if they truly felt like doing that its not in our position to stop them….but they’re really missing out by sheltering themselves through all that.
So as a neutral party towards Phoenix, I think it would be interesting/make things not as easy, if they reverted the starting units’ stats to its normal value after each revival. I mean if a character gained like 3 levels during a chapter but then died and revived on the following turn, that they would lose any stat gains and their level would be brought back down to the level they were when they started the chapter. But meh, whatever, if that’s not the case then I don’t really care.
Intelligent System is trying to make Fire Emblem more friendly to newcomers, this mean more people playing FE, more succeed, more money, and more GAMES. People forget thar FE awakening was supposed to be the LAST FE GAME, cause FE wasn’t very popular.
Phoenix mode may be a little too much, but it’s supposed to bring more players to Fire Emblem world, and that´s awesome for us. And one more time, it´s an option, you can always play classic and be happy, have an option is always a good idea.
And about the weapon durability … yeah it’s a major change to FE formula, but change is not always a bad thing. It sucks to have that awesome weapon and don’t use it, cause you don’t want to break it, im sure many players have some unused powerful weapon cause you wait to much to use it. It´s a waste. They are changing this aspect from weapons, but on counterpart they will (at least try) balance this change.
I’m all for them fiddling around with the weapon system. The whole “javelin-can-only-attack-once” thing does add a little more depth to the game… Of course clearly every weapon is now made out of the same MEGAMETAL™ that Ragnell and Falchion are made of… Totally legit, that.
Of course they’ll realize their mistake and bring durability back… except they didn’t bring weight back… *sniffsniff* I guess we’ll never hear that triumphant ♪Wah-wah-wah-wah wah-wah♪ anymore. *cries*
For javelins, I always thought (back in the GBA era) that you got a set of 25 (hence 25 uses or whatever it actually was because my memory fails) and that if you were quick enough, you’d get two off instead of just one…
As for hand axes… yeah, they were totally boomerangs.
This is a very interesting interview. I only hope this game provides a strong challenge. Sure I know it wants to bring in newcomers but what about for the veteran players? I hope Intelligent Systems can give us something that is not only satisfying but also will have the AI kicking our butts at the same time.
Maybe by Amiibo support they are referring to a line of Fire Emblem LF Amiibos though. If the game is anywhere near as popular as awakening that could be a great way to cash in on that.
“Since some players may consider it wasteful to use a particular weapon, they may end up not using it at all; at which point it’s as if the weapon doesn’t exist.”
And this is why I ended up playing Awakening using only Bronze pretty much weapons throughout the entire game (until someone got 50+ Luck and Armsthrift). Fun? Not really. But it wasn’t challenging either, as I quickly started to one shot pretty much everyone even with those Bronze weapons, with few exceptions. And that was playing on Hard (Normal).
There really wasn’t much strategy behind the breakage of weapons in Awakening, as you could easily stock up on as many as you needed if you wanted to. But for the sake of economy, I stuck to Bronze because I needed nothing more.
But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to have more fun with stronger weapons. And it sounds like I may be able to do that in FE: If.
Yeah, in earlier games when your convoy could only hold a hundred items, things became thrifty and a bit challenging (none of this 20+ iron/steel/silver/brave swords in stock nonsense)… I suppose the durability system went from being a strategic obstacle to being annoying to being non-existent.
Bronze weapons only? There’s a moderately interesting challenge for my next run (oh the smithing I’ll do…)
Finally, item durability has become more video-game-like! Not sure if that will be good in the long run, though……..I really think that ‘normal’ weapons should have a durability, while tomes and ‘special’ weapons are unbreakable (come on, how does a tome break from overuse?).
Also, I want to see someone Game Over in Phoenix Mode during a normal level. Just because.
Books fall apart if you don’t take care of them (like reading them in the rain, the wind, the desert, on the road, and in a dirty battlefield). It’s inconceivable for us because we buy books, read’em once or twice inside a warm and dry house… and then put them on a shelf.
Well good to know they put an end to grinding-for-skills abuse and the potential abuse of male galeforce users. But if levels don’t reset, exactly how would a person get their 5 additional skills? Well, the way I see it is that if they needed any skills while pre-promoted, they would change their class at level 10?, and while promoted they would change to another promoted class at level 15 (totally forgot what level promoted units get their second skill at). I kind of forgot if this was the case in FE:A, but if you now changed your level 16 Great Knight to a level 16 Paladin, would you still be able to get both the natural and second skill of the Paladin?
ok, parallel seals will maintain the user levels, but how about the skills ?
apparently it will nerf the skills from other branch classes, unless it unlock all early levels skills …
There’s a whole-lot of gender confusion going on with If lol (now with Oboro). Got to blame the fact that a lot of the Hoshido guys like to grow out their hair.
I take it that your max stats are lower than in Awakening since we are now back to a maximum of 20/20 levels. I love that characters have their own unique skill that will make them stand out more and it would give you incentive to use some characters over others.
You probably can, but they haven’t confirmed it yet. There’s a suspicious quote in the magazine that says you can “class change as many times as you want!”. Which… could be referring to the Parallel Seal, I guess. So who knows? XD
Taking out a mechanic a lot of people enjoy so post-game extras can be more easily accessible seems a little off to me. Or they could have just made said DLC chapters less difficult.
Intelligent Systems, as a follower of the FE series, I regret to inform you that the direction in which you lead now with the unlimited weapon uses category is corrosive. The FE formula is in the makings of achieving complete mastery over the 3DS system as it had was on the Gameboy with FE7 and FE:SS. It is an un-refuted fact that you had mastered the game boy system with those two aforementioned titles and showed the world what it was to craft a game on a limited system, and master a game with story and perfectly resonant mechanics that allowed the story and the game to merge resulting in the most richest interactive visual software experiences ever created inherently within the medium of hardware.
Please take this criticism positively; durabilities is a major concern! Truly, you must know that FE7 and FE8 are the most worshiped titles you’ve ever produced; the evidence of this is in youtube and forums all over the internet that to this day create mods for 7 & SS emulations. People have written all kinds of stories and developed all kinds of MUGS that they employ within the system you’ve created. The community is ripe. Just take a look at cedarnyx’s channel or MarkyJoe’s channel who single handed hosts mod competitions for those games. And one of the primary aspects of this is because people want to relive the experience that you delivered. They want to meet characters like Lynn, Eliwood, Hector, Ephraim and Erika again. They want to beat Ephidel again! Why because the system, the world and characters resonated with their hearts! They found humanity within the Fire Emblem world. You had made it into a reality with tiny clever and intelligent pieces of genius nuggets of code and UI design so well crafted, and weopon DURABILITY was one of those aspects that bound us to that reality! FIre Emblem is a bag full of nuggets of gold. And we don’t want to part with a single pebble. Durabilities is one of those pebbles!
If however, in the course of this argument, we, the fire emblem community have not afforded to convinced you to route this decision. Then we request that at least you let this feature lay to rest in classic mode or have an option to allow it to remain therein, as it, just like the entire system, has become for us an unrivaled poem that enchants us in every visit, with a warm welcome, and so we won’t part with a single word.
Please do not deprive us of that word, we’ve supported you throughout your creative endeavours, now we ask that you support us in kind.
‘Vantage’ + ‘Deathmatch’ = Me worrying about overpowered skill mixing, again. And ‘Strength Seal’ will do what ‘Defense Seal’ did but reduce 6 Atk I’m guessing. I guess my problem is just Vantage’s balancing in general. Would it need a nerf? I’m just getting worried again, but remember ‘Miracle + Vantage + Vengeance’?
Wow. I don’t know what to say. That video was something else. Hot springs with my boys? Hell yeah. Hot springs with my girls? Kazahana might disagree, but hell yeah. Petting my unit’s faces like pokemon amie? Hell yeah. Cool looking Marth and Ike art? Hell yeah, I am officially insanely hyped for this game, and it’s a damned shame because i have to wait till 2016.
They don’t know how hyped Fire Emblem is in NA.. Alot of JP companies it seems don’t know that their games are hyped..
On a side note, Intelligent systems is really riding on Awakening’s success to push out so many new features into the series. With high expectations, I cannot wait to see what they can come up with.
From what I’ve seen in the past, with manga, anime, and video games, Japan doesn’t really pay attention to what westerners think about their stuff. They appear to be only focused on their own localization, while having it being sold overseas is just a plus for them. Ie: I’ve know Japanese manga writers that don’t care about their stuff being leaked to westerners, put they have zero tolerance with easterners. Highschool of the dead (both anime and manga) surprisingly tanked in Japan, while it was more than welcomed in the west. Even the writer said he as surprised because he didn’t even realize his stuff was so popular in the west.
Reminds of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure where a character says to a mangaka that they want an english translation of their manga to makeit easier for them to read and the mangaka saying that they never translated his manga into english because they didn’t understand his genius. Of course that mangaka was a Jerk version of the author.
Also WataMote and other series have been sometimes catered to the west, but that stopped happening a lot since the economic recession.
Ehh, don’t forget that Fire Emblem Cipher is giving us download codes for Marth, Lucina, and Pegasus Knight Minerva, so don’t say “not DLC” and “no Lyn” just yet.
We don’t know if the download codes are gonna work just like the Amiibo, but I honestly can’t see them being that different, and I don’t imagine them letting us recruit 2 Marths and 2 Lucinas.
I can say not DLC because the footage didnt show DLC, it showed Amiibo. I’m not sating their wont be DLC, just that we dont know if there is if it will work in a similar way. And i doubt the Cipher cards are coming out of Japan. Maybe we’ll get some other codes for the characters they get, but we definitely wont get the cards.
Awakening had a huge roster of dlc characters, all of them poorly made, so MAYBE we can see more characters from other Games in the same quality as Marth, Lucina, Robin and Ike
Thanks a ton for the translation, dude.
I agree with the other guy, it’s gonna be hard to fight against your mom. Just imagine if you end up having to kill her too.
that’s the point, in the PV it seems Sumeragi was killed while protecting Kamui from Nohrian arrows, but we dont know for sure what happened there. Maybe it’s a mistake take Nohr as bad guys …
Or perhaps the Nohrian emporer abducted the avatar in retaliation for Aqua’s abduction.
Garon may have launched an attack to retrieve Aqua from the Hoshido and came across Kamui and their father during said attack, thought, “well, in for a penny, in for a pound.” The only two questions that I haven’t seen asked is whether Aqua’s abduction came before or after the avatars, or whether or not either side tried to offer a straight up trade to get their relevant crotch spawn back, because so far it doesn’t look like either even thought of that, but time will tell.
It also occurs to me that someone had to have given the order to abduct her. The king, Sumeragi, or considering Sumeragi bites the dust, that would leave queen Mikoto as the sole culprit, because Ryouma would’ve been too young at the time himself. But this largely depends on whether she was taken before or after the avatar. On the other hand, maybe someone in the Hoshido army got a little too gung-hoe and jacked Aqua from her family as a bonus.
This game honestly feels likes it is getting better and better with each update. I just really hope the map and mission structure in the Nohr version is good, or at the very least better than what Awakening gave us. I kind of prefer these character designs over Awakening, but I’m wondering how much crossover they’ll be as far as who you can recruit. Like, will I be able to recruit Crimson even if I side with Nohr? Even if the campaigns are different, just how varied are the recruitment pools supposed to be. I know some are probably going to be locked into their side as that’s a given.
Also: Oh man, is that the Shenmue menu music I’m hearing? I can very much deal with something that is aesthetically similar to Shenmue’s soundtrack.
Alternatively if you translate the characters backwards:
Marth: “You remind me of Kris.”
Ike: “You remind me of Soren.”
Robin: “You remind me of myself.”
Lucina: “You remind me of Robin.”
Great analysis! At the risk of sounding extremely nitpicky, though, I’m a little bit doubtful about this particular part:
”Here’s something new though that was hinted earlier: In Guard Stance, enemy Attack Stances are automatically negated.”
I guess it could be read that way, but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to interpret the Japanese text on the website as simply stating that when the gauge has filled up an enemy attack will be completely blocked, including any additional attacks from enemy rear units in attack stance? Rather than negating attack stances altogether?
I guess it can be read either way, but the way they added it as a footnote makes me thing it’s meant to be read separately.
Plus there’s a screenshot where Kamui and Suzukaze are in an Attack Stance against a pair of enemies in a Guard Stance and Suzukaze has no battle stats. So I’m more leaning towards Guard Stance always negating Attack Stance.
It would add a lot more incentive to use Guard Stance too, since players are typically offensively-oriented and may dismiss Guard Stance for not providing follow-up attacks.
I see, I didn’t know about that screenshot! Was it in one of the recent Famitsu issues?
I must agree that your explanation makes a lot of sense from a gameplay perspective. It’d make the choice between the two stances a really interesting one. Come to think of it, it should be interesting to see how how well the AI will be able to use the stances to its advantage.
I had Charlotte pegged for trouble the moment I saw her and simply cannot figure out why that is.
Has there been any word on how we generate dragon vein points in the my castle area? Will it make use of the 3ds coin system? Have to admit that I am looking forward to this game even though we have to wait even longer for it to be released. I am also terribly amused and disgusted by the abhorant reaction of the veterans about the mofu mofu/Pokemon amie function.
Also: ‘accidental’? Hard to call being turned into a human pincushion an ‘accident.’ This only makes me even more suspiciousof the Hoshido. I suspect they jacked Aqua first and Garon retaliated trying to get her back. Only he came across the avatar and their father, killed him and abducted the mc.
I just want to point out that this is a Japanese game first, so the characters and their designs will probably differ in the NA release, just like Tharja’s portrait from the Awakening DLC.
You mean the ridiculous overreaction to Tharja’s smallest sliver of a buttcrack image and their solution being the curtain? Yet they were quite content to let Nowi fly through the vetting process in her outfit. Yeah, actually I see your point in that regard.
I actually happen to like Camilla due to the whole overprotective big sister persona she’s got going on. Panty armour be damned. I do want to off Luna though. Severa was a character who got on my nerves and I can not deal with that behaviour a second time round.
With Charlotte I am willing to give her a chance. Benoit is going to be funny though. I thought they were siblings or he was her bodyguard or something.
Well, Severa was a really popular character… Also, with a really large cast of characters some similar characters can be expected. But yeah, I did not expected that much similarity. I love Kusuke Kozaki’s designs and style, but that is not his best. However, sometimes these kind of things happen because Executive Meddling, and in these projects artists must do what their employers ask. Either way, not that it ruins the game or something, at least not for me.
I didn’t say that the style was an excuse.
Oh, yes, you are right. Including all the cast, Severa was not that popular. So, my bets now are that some people in Intelligent Systems like her too much. As I said, it could be a case of just lazy design, but also lets take into account that the artists do not have total control of the designs, most of the time those things are requested or need approval. If they wanted a Severa’s clone, Kusuke Kozaki just did what they said (if that was really the case).
It’s more than that. She has the same voice actress (who is hosting the 25th anniversary concert, FYI).
IS is just pandering to the Awakening fans by making brazen clones of the popular child units, making the roster look bigger.
Pretty likely that she was planned like that since the beginning. However, lets wait for the entire rooster, if it is bigger than past Fire Emblems, a few clones would not be that much of an issue. But, if is not that big and there are a lot of clones, that would be lame.
Well, in my case this is not that important. Tactical RPG are my favorite kind of games. I am interested in the game as a whole, but the mechanics and the missions are my priority. Hehe, it seems that we are not going anywhere with this discussion. Lets end here.
Well, Severa is Selena in Japan but her name was changed in North America so she wouldn’t be confused with the character from Sacred Stones. Selena is a name relating to the moon, as is Luna. They both share the same class, and the same voice actor… this is definitely not coincidence and may be a Camus/Sirius situation minus the mask somehow. Or how Palla/Catria/Est have visited other nations together. Many of the children in Awakening implied that they could not go home to their own future but felt uncomfortable being around their parents, knowing their own selves would be born into the world later on. So in a way, knowing there is dimensional travel and a bunch of displaced kids, they go on a journey and end up in places like… this one.
Tellius and Magvel are also different worlds but the dimensional gates allowed those characters to appear in Awakening… We also have confirmation that Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina appear when you use their amiibos and there are concepts similar to alternate dimensions.
On the off chance that Luna is just an expy of Severa, then whatever, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she is a dimensional gate traveler either.
I definitely think dimensional gates will be a thing for FE series, as a way to connect all the different realms (it’ll just not be pivotal to the story and more DLC-related stuff). I get the feeling it definitely is Severa (Selena) just that she changed her name. Maybe perhaps she’s taking notes from Lucina like when she was pretending to be Marth (lol). FE: Awakening had Priam who is Ike’s son, so if FE: IF will have Cordelia’s (Tiamo in japanese) daughter Severa (Luna in IF), then we might just see a running trend of seeing previous games characters offsprings in the next game. I’m going to ignore the remakes like shadow dragon being the target game for Awakening to pull from, considering Awakening takes place in the same world and is 2000 years later (hell Chrom is Marth’s descendant if you want to nitpick).
Take it you haven’t seen Odin, then?
This just feels like a lazy way to pad out the character roster, as well as more Awakening pandering.
Now the Fire Emblem community can argue about clones.
Actually, Kazahana’s personal skill may not be as great as it sounds. Probably it only activates on your turn, and even if the skill applies on either turn, directly adjacent enemies is not something you see that much, especially on normal or easy difficulties.
True, true! And there are missions when you have to do it, there it is going to help a lot. But for the rest of the chapters, not that much, unless you play like that. In my case, I don’t stall enemies unless is necessary. My point is that I don’t think is much better than other personal skills. However, some other’s personal skills can become useless at end game, unless these skills change or evolve, that is. This one seems useful from the beginning to the end.
I honestly think its too early to judge whether this skill is good or bad. However, considering now that enemy units can now “pair up,” they are probably revamping enemy AI to act in groups more so than previous FE games. While you might not be dealing massive damage to a lot of units simultaneously, this is still a good skill to counter against enemies units that act as a group. They already mentioned in the Nintendo Direct how you can set your characters in “My Castle” to act in groups or run around solo.
Indeed, is too early. My hopes are that every character is going to be useful. I do not like the idea of having characters with much better abilities than others. Of course, in other hand, the reclassing options and the max stats also could affect how good is an unit. But yeah, we can’t see the whole picture right now.
I hadn’t thought about the enemies’ IA, good point, there would be new things in that aspect.
Dive Bombing. With a tank built unit. Most of the time, I can see people going to use ranged units to reduce an opposing units Hp to near enough while grouped for Kazahana to clear. Taking Ike’s Eruption from Smash and making it a personal. But for now, we’ll have to say it does as great as it sounds.
Well, that requires a specific tactic. And we need to see if Kazahana actually gets more experience by killing enemies that way.
I am just saying this skill could be not that overpowered, especially if you have to use other units to set things like that and make it look cool. It would look cool though.
yeah, luna’s a lazy design. you know who else is a lazy design? Danved in radiant dawn! he looks just like devdan from path of radiance. super lazy imo.
and don’t even get me started on them reusing camus like three times in the first three games. Were they sirius with that?
I’m definitely going to spend 90% of my game time tweaking and messing around with all these cool features while forgetting to save my country or whatever, lol…
To think there are people who just want to do campaigns. I can understand for like a few games/titles, but to actually want all games in the series to follow FE 7’s/8/everything else except for Awakenings’ formula would be redundant as all hell. I for one (along with the vast majority) welcome these changes that are coming to Fire Emblem. Because with stuff like this, we’re able to learn more little quirks of our characters and have them be more relevant than when compared to how characters in Awakening were treated. There is nothing wrong with getting to know the people in your army, it shows you care as a commander and you aren’t there to just “beat the game”. This game is going to be a god-send in occupying free time….plus if one out of the two copies of IF is going to cost this much, I would would rather get my money’s worth (BTW, having around 25 chapters of campaign is so not worth over$50, hence, all this extra content)
It’s like when they introduced the support system in FE6. I wonder how many people bickered because there was less left up to their f̶r̶e̶a̶k̶’̶d̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ head-canons.
I welcome them bringing in more things to do than just the main campaign like previous games in the series. Not to mention, as you said, this kind of helps other characters be a bit more important.
These are the type of people who are comparable to those who bought pokemon x/y omega/alpha and only wanted to beat it as fast as they can and only doing gyms and the elite four, finishing the game within 3 days. If people just want to play a game for its main point and not explore or take their time, then its their prerogative. But its dumb that the same people will get angry at the fact that new features outside of the main game are added on, when in fact they won’t even bother doing them in the first place.
I really don’t get why most of the hardcore fans (well the more vocal ones) have to be such prudes. I’m as hardcore as the rest of them, playing FE 7 & 8 and then went out of my way to buy&play the Japanese copy of 6. Considering how similar those 3 (and the rest of them) were, I’m glad we have drastic changes.
Yeah, and then those same people would just argue “If they weren’t spending time on My Castle, they could focus more on the main campaign!”
I don’t really like it when some argue that point. It’s as if they’re implying that Intelligent Systems is sacrificing the main campaign for My Castle, when I doubt that’s the case. I’m fully confident that they’re achieving the kind of game they set out to make.
And who wouldn’t have a dungeon in their castle? Even if it serves no purpose? I’ll put it right next to Anna’s Secret Shop. *puts index finger to his chin*
Why can’t Nintendo do for this game what they did for Pokemon and just release this title in NA the same time as Japan!?!?!?!? I dont know if I can wait till next year, I NEED THIS GAME ALREADY!!!!!!
Spare a thought for European players who will no doubt have to wait longer than America to get their hands on the game. Awakening came out two months after it was released stateside. The only reason I survived was because I wasn’t interested until I watched US uploaders on YouTube then preordered that shit immediately.
Seems more like they’re fusing FE and Tomodachi Life.
Exactly which of these news was intended for the hardcore fans? It all sounds like stuff the new people will be more happy to learn about.
inb4 they reveal that both maids were actually one maid to begin with and are now split entities. Joker betrays them, becomes the final boss while the two maids combine to form the final monster.
This game definitely steers towards Awakening fans. Waifu Sim 2.0 now with customization homes, buildings and prisons. I feel a lot less effort went into game’s cores and mechanics.
they’re just not talking about core and mechanics because there’s no reason to at all (bar the mechanics that changed). Its a boring subject to even write about in magazines and directs. They’re just getting all the subject-worthy/more talkative stuff out of the way. Because honestly, what would get the public talking more, having a direct where it goes “Oh look….rescue option and weapon weight is back…..wo hooo….” (and literally the conversation ends under a minute) compared to “Fire Emblem is now adding a My Castle Feature along with Fire Emblem Amie” (now that starts conversations).
The same amount of effort most likely went into the gameplay. Zero effort would be this all being one game, and just like awakening or FE7. Though I will admit, the only old mechanic I miss is light magic. Its kind of dumb that it still hasn’t been brought back at this point.
They’re not talking about mechanics because I feel they’re so clouded by how big Awakening was. And reintroducing all the good mechanics isn’t that bad. “Rescue, Weapon Weight, Durability and Light including the magic triangle is back…..wo hooo…..” but really “Now we can explain why this is such a good idea, how this can gear the series to a better future for the genre, to the Awakening/General newcomers why they should start getting to the core construct instead of making billions of forums about what they have in their castle’s and who are they going to marry for the next 3 generations.” People aren’t just seeing all the mechs as a whole. Instead, everyone else rather play dolly in a castle. And their’s plenty of other games for that.
I’m gonna tell something in the god damn island I live the only people I know are fans of Fire Emblem are me and my little brother thanks to Awakening well I actually I was a fan before but that was the first game I manage to get my hands on but I like the Awakenig formula! I can level grid swicht classes around and ship as much as I can. My brother after Awakening began to play the other games and liked them more. So don’t say things like that. People are people some like Awakening style more some not. You can’t make us like other things. And because people like me like to know more about your units in the games and love the My Castle doesn’t make us any different. And I love the fact weapons have no durability because it makes more sense I mean a sword breaking in 50 uses that’s dumb. If you don’t like My Castle don’t use it okay? Do other stuff I mean what’s that compared with the rest of what I’m sure will be an amazing game and didn’t even tried it yet so what do you know? Sorry about this whole rant but honestly you sound like a jerk who thinks people play for waifu/husbandos, ships, etc… That’s insulting to Awakening there’s a lot more to it and it’s fans than that it just happens to be the most talked thing because it’s fun to talk about because all the supports and the children and pair ups make it something people like to talk. I play it for FUN! That’s how it should be! Don’t try to change people! You like that better? Great! Moving on! One more thing that’s insulting to creator who worked harder than most to make these games they are trying to make them more entertaining and more modern just try to give people a chance. If I offended you in any way I’m sorry I’m just done with how certain older fans of FE act towards Awakening fans because they must be new or not like nothing but pairings and waifus/husbandos. So I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
It’s fine. I’m rather ignorant. Good you like what you like. Even if I’d forced beliefs on you. Awakening’s rather a good game. But it’s none of that, it’s not the devs. It’s just the fanbase. I mean, I had no problem with the characters until the fandom just became unpleasant. Look to narrow it down. I can agree to that, even if I thought Awakening was merely decent and not as great as the others. I don’t like where the series path is going down. I just hope it gets better, but with these mixed feelings with FE:If and most being on my bad side, I’m kinda losing it. I’m glad the the series isn’t dead, but I am disappointed.
If you don’t know fe is more about the characters more than stratigic gameplay, because there are a lot of other strategy games out there with or with out story.
Not really. Last time I heard, FE was built on Perma-death. I’m not sure if you’re talking about just Awakening. I’ve been doing both since I got my hands on the first Fire Emblem that came out to the west, but everyone apparently to Awakening fans, they had a hard time to even find a personality in a character to exist if they didn’t do a lot of support from FE7 through 12. Even me, but I still know Lute’s ego is –
[—————————————————————————————–] This big.
I just put the effort in.
Any game can have perm death. Duh dipshit it’s also called losing characters or soldiers, that doesn’t make it less irrelevant. Leave anything else backing up your claim.
Also good to know you only notice one character, but now a days we have the wiki and videos for that. The thing you must know for strategic games is that you must make a casual mode for new comers so that can learn how to play. Ps I’m also talking about fe franchise.
Basically you just don’t like Awakening because of the fandom am I getting this correct? I’m in for the story and mechanics plus from what you said I don’t see how it is any different from the other FE games besides the added features. Please be more elaborate because I’m sure the old FE games had support system and if I remember correctly one of the game had child system. Also, I want to hear how the series can get better from your opinion if there is nothing else they can do I can’t see what the harms in not having the added features.
Correct, but I’ll explain. I don’t like Awakening for many reasons (not for some of the things it gets right), the fandom takes the majority. People saying they’re Fire Emblem fans when they won’t give any older FE’s a chance, nor touch the Classic mode with 15 foot pole is one of them. But I can accept not everyone is going to try.
Another is when Awakening fans are biased and said that FE:A is the best in every way, e.g. I heard a story, someone was making poll questions with things like “Which character in the series best exemplifies the Dark Mage?” It gave a link to the poll site and had comments, full of weather Nergal or some other guy is better, but in the poll, Tharja was winning by a major amount and not a comment justified for her. Then poll was taken down cause it was pointless.
That obsessive ‘waifu’ fandom. I hear it commonly. I do like the anime art styles, and I don’t have a massive thing against the marriage system as it did bring good mechanics as it was used for, but the fandom taking advantage over the whole thing and the game even complete it with characters blushing. I have trust issues in the anime community. The previous game with a marriage system didn’t encourage and pander to the waifu crowd. See?
How the series could get better on my behalf. If I made FE:A, well… FE would probably die. Changing the common harassed things on Awakening would be a start, better story (maybe more darker), not as cliche characters like FE:A (Maybe add better artsyles that makes sense instead of having, the difficulty on Easy could be Casual mode, but Normal and higher would probably force them to play Classic while adding more mechanics the higher the difficulty (Normal: Weapon Durance, Hard: Magic Triangle, Weight, and etc), stronger maps, victory conditions, ability/Pair-Up nerfs and a lot of advertisement?
I know how much IS is formed around the getting newcomers to play while trying to keep the older and serious fans interested. Hence the whole White and Black Kingdom differences, but they can be better ways of warming a Casual player to start playing in Classics. Yet, taking out Weapon Endurance and etc, all I see is another Awakening game. I think about it, and I don’t like being like this biased FE character for all we know, I could be a scrub, but if I can accept that Awakening can save the series, I would at least like people to accept me.
Mate, you okay there?
1. Fire Emblem was ‘C’ grade in Nintendo. The money was difficult to obtain either way. Remember why 12 didn’t sell and IS announced one more for the series. Not my fault since it wasn’t released in the west anyway.
2. If they didn’t care, explain Black Kingdom.
More like testing the waters to see if the hardcore fans are worth the time and effort. If it tanks go forth with the Awakening fandom since it brings in the money and less salt. Despite the advertised hardcore “Nohr” they still have to pander to Awakening fandom and hope it gets numbers close to Hoshido version.
Sorry for the extra comment, but I need to ask: what unpleasantness are you talking about? The only fans I’ve seen behave disgracefully so far has been the veterans who have a problem with the new additions and are busy attacking the newcomers, which is getting a bit ridiculous really. So I am genuinely curious.
I disagree. I’m not really into a lot of the Street Pass, face-touching, waifu stuff either. But from what we’ve seen, a lot of thought has gone into modifying how the class change works, how the skills work, how the weapons work; plus a version dedicated to having more difficult maps and more interesting mission objectives. I do think they are improving things all around.
I guess. And I could be biased, but hearing one side of the Fire Emblem fandom talk about touching face more than the main game in general concerns me on where IS is leaning the franchise.
This will probably come across as salty, though that is not my intention. It needs to be said however:
What else do they have to talk about? The maps they don’t know a thing about? The sparse few classes that have been revealed? The weapon system that has already been talked about and isn’t really something someone can discuss about in depth until they get their hands on the game? The characters are the only thing they can talk about without getting bored.
Players like yourself are all so quick to judge the side of the fandom that are genuinely interested in the characters and their motivations that you will sling any old accusation at them. Yet, if it weren’t for Awakening, the franchise would be gone. Worse, your accusations of the game becoming a ‘waifu simulator’ shows that you have no respect for the creators by degrading and insulting all the effort the creators went to in order to make the characters interesting and relevant in regards to the story instead of making them boring cardboard cutouts whose only purpose is to soak up damage. The extra mechanics are to keep things fresh and interesting.
Those same fans you insult are also generating more interest in the game through their fan art, fan fiction and posts. While the behaviour and comments of players like yourself is likely to drive new players away. So who exactly is hurting the franchise more?
They haven’t skimped on the maps, weapons, classes, etc, so what exactly is the problem here? You seem to be angry that a portion of the fandom is actually enjoying themselves. I find the face petting mechanic funny as hell because it’s not something I would’ve expected and think it was meant just for that-fun. It also means that you can annoy any unit that gets on your nerves as payback. Yes, it is weird, but it’s that same weirdness that will entertain plenty of players.
Essentially what you just said. To add on about the boring cardboard cut outs. Some don’t realize how stale some of these games were. Like the two flops of a DS games where only the main cast actually had a voice in the story. Any other side character was generic or barely talked outside of being recruited (hell, their epilogues were boring too and generic). FE 6 and 7 suffered less from this, but still I found it rather hard to care for some of my units as the game progressed and barely touched them after recruitment (Like the only reason why I kept Batre around was just so I could get Karla). FE 8 kind of softened this by adding the outerworld map, so you would be able to play with all your units even after the game and get their supports in. While I still criticize Awakening’s support system with letting every opposite gender unit support with each other (bar the select few) to the point where things become generic/badly written, Awakening still managed to surpass all previous titles when it came to its character interactions and given you a reason to train and strengthen all of your units. The prude-veterans honestly at this point need to accept Awakening as a game that saved their franchise and just roll with it, or just drop the series all together. Because if they do manage to create another FE down the line, I don’t see it reverting back to the classics like 7.
We can accept it saved the franchise, or maybe completely created a new, “Better Child” (Kill me, I know) but that won’t change us from loving what made Fire Emblem so great. And we have 12 games proved the best of Fire Emblem. Condemn me, I don’t care.
The thing is, it is the best way to get the player to actually care about their units. Give soldiers a personality and screen time and I guarentee the player will expend more effort to keep them alive. It’s an added incentive that works extremely well. How the veterans fail to see this is beyond me.
Then you are wrong about how they didn’t put enough effort into the game mechanics right? I think you should be less clouded about the fans and just play the damn game when it is out then we as a community will accept your opinion because I’m sure IS is definitely trying to attract both old and new FE fans.
As someone who likes his games to last quite a while after the main story is finished (be it in the form of MP, extras, etc.) and likes to immerse in games, this feature is like a Godsend. Sure, the ‘Amie-thing’ is quite silly and somewhat unnecessary (this comes from someone who NEVER used Pokemon Amie back in X/Y or ORAS), but it will be fun to try this time around. I actually can’t wait to 2016 for the american release, kind of makes me want to stop coming to this site to spoil myself.
I am just hoping no matter the support system that there is some beyond implied gayness. I just need like my ability to be gay and two people into men and two into woman.
Yeah, it’s basically why I’m biased. Other reasons like the “cliche characters, boring maps, bad written everything, overpowered units, too easy unless it’s above Hard blah blah”, but that’s been said and done before, but it can be improved. It’s just the fandom.
Are we going to get lookalikes for all the children in Awakening? Because it certainly looks that way now, thanks to Luna and this Inigo-expy. Perhaps these are the “callbacks to Awakening” they referred to?
There is such thing in the game called phantom cards were you can summon all old characters from old fe games so all the fe cast comes back but only as ghosts.
Oh. So it was lazy character design that inspired Luna. That’s just unfortunate. I’m really hoping to find out more about Crimson soon and I really wish they’d go ahead and state how much recruitment crossover there is between the games.
At this stage you shouldn’t really respond to them (if this long thread is any indication). I mean if they’re too lazy to look it up themselves even after a Mod tells them the answer then there’s no point. This is what I would like to call “A base” person, and not the good kind.
If, Luna ends up being a “tsunderish” girl with inferiority complex over her mother, and the ingo look-alike is a “closet dancer”, i’ll agree with you, but so far, it seems Luna is more of the kind that compeeting for recognition of their superiors with it’s peers, so that’s maybe the “callback to awakening” like JohnWaluigui mentioned.
You said character design, personality is included in the character, which lead to my reply, also, while i know that you must set your mind in doing it so this can happen, but you can finish awakening without ever meeting any of the “children” (besids Lucina). Stupid reason to do that, but i have heard worse before.
The design is typically just used for how a character looks or will look.
You can finish a bunch of Fire Emblem games without meeting a bunch of characters, but that doesn’t mean they were placed in sequels just because they could be missed.
Actually in this game you can unlock phantom cards that can be summon from previous titles and they have the same looks and personality but they are still ghosts.
As for Luna she is also voiced by the same jp voice actor that voiced severa so that means it’s a call back for awakening, another dimensions, or it’s running joke until for dlc. Duh
If some one reuses a character and it’s voice actor means a call back from previous games I’ve If I’m correct developers did this before, besides severa is one of the few top characters people voted for in Japan. Duh again dumbass
I don’t really see how this apparent “laziness” is any different from the commonly used and repeated Fire Emblem archetypes and the way they tend to base new lords off of features that made older lords popular.
Like I said they did on purpose, not copy paste. Also you do realize the fire emblem franchise reuses the same roles right dancer and lord blue hair right?
Do you even understand what saying or are you going to deny and repeat the same thing? Because I have to say copy paste my comment as a counter argument is pretty lazy especially of a guy who can’t check for him Self.
First off “not” And second I don’t care about it , I just want to let you know your argument is wrong. Also it’s fanservice , now what else do you have in store for your counter argument? 🙂
It’s wrong because you misunderstood the reason of it and called out lazy too easily. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat and copy?
See you did it again, it’s not lazy because when there’s a good reason for it. Like I said for you missunderstood the reason behind, besides you’ve seen all other characters they created so it’s pretty much ok say they know what they’re doing isn’t lazy. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat the same thing with out any understanding?
Actually it is a good reason when you’re doing it for fans, besides like said before there is a magority of character that are acuatally different characters in the game so that it’s not a lazy idea and that’s the key meaning of what you’re not getting kid.
Elaborate. Explain the difference between having a character similar to Severa and having any of these:
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype
A lot of the characters have strikingly similar designs to others of their archetype, especially Cain and Abel pairs, but you’re not complaining about them. You know what else? If isn’t out yet. You know next to nothing about how this character will develop in the story. Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.
I’d like to see you present an argument beyond “they ‘reused’ this character and I don’t like that even though they’ve ‘reused’ characters before and I’ve been fine with that”, simply because you say the archetypes are just using “a base” even though they aren’t necessarily much less similar too each other than Luna is to Severa, and you aren’t even in a position to say Severa is Luna considering you haven’t read a single support conversation featuring Luna.
Please, be consistent. I can’t stand hypocrites.
When have I said that I was okay with them reusing characters before when they did it in previous games? Go ahead, I’ll wait.
The archetype page you listed was more about how characters class and growth rates are similar, not how the characters behave the same way, which they typically do not, and is something I never said they do. The characters’ designs are all visually distinguishable from one another unlike the Severa and Luna case who could be twins.
“Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and
having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.”
No, but it’s still lazy as hell to design a character that way. Anyway going back to what I originally said about all of this before you all started freaking out because someone doesn’t like something:
“Their design is what I called lazy, not their personality.”
Although you didn’t say you didn’t have a problem, you . . . are a Fire Emblem fan, and the archetypes are a pretty major part of the series. Saying that you think archetypes are too lazy is kind of like saying you think permanent deaths are too difficult or neon-colored hair is too unrealistic or that Anna shouldn’t appear anymore. I was under the impression that Fire Emblem fans generally like the things that make Fire Emblem Fire Emblem.
Additionally, many archetypes do have similar personalities and characterization. The Cain and Abel are made up of one hot-blooded and one even-tempered member, without fail. Camus is always an anti-villain reluctant to fight against the player but tragically has to be defeated anyway. The main lord tends to be a rather naive and innocent young royal, who matures some after the death of the Cornelius forces him (or occasionally her) to toughen up. The Nabarl is often pretty aloof if not outright antisocial and has some sort of complications involving romance in their past. The Michalis is defined by their ambitious nature and willingness to do anything for power. The Minerva is kind and polite, but often struggles with doing the right thing because she’s fighting against her own country/family. The Hardin is a noble person who ends up making a tragic face heel turn and has to be defeated by former friends.
I did not just list stats and growth rates. I listed traits of characterization.
If all you’re complaining about is the fact that the characters look similar, then I honestly don’t know why you felt it necessary to mention. A character’s depth is a lot more important than their sprite, and frankly, I can tell them apart effortlessly. Making a character look similar is a visual shorthand for saying “look, this is going to be a similar character”, which is why they have one red and one green cavalier with opposing personalities, why they gave Ike Hector’s hair, why they gave this character Severa’s frown and red pigtails, and why I can’t tell right away if I’m looking at a sprite of Roy or his father Eliwood. Making characters look like other characters is a useful writing tool, or trope, which you can read all about here:
They were well aware of the connotations of having a character that looked like and had the same voice actor as Severa, and they made the conscious decision to do it anyway. That’s not laziness. It required some thought and some research. These artists know what they’re doing; you don’t. Have a little faith in Intelligent Systems, please.
Also, I’m not “freaking out” because you “don’t like something”. I’m quite calm right now. I’m writing long replies because . . . that’s how I think, and that’s how I like to talk, and because you can’t interrupt me; I’m taking advantage of the fact that we’re communicating online and giving you all the evidence I can. As for why I’m replying in the first place . . . I really feel strongly about unfairness and I really respect Intelligent Systems and the development team, and you called them lazy when they’ve been working so hard to please the most unpleasable fanbase I’ve ever witnessed. It’s okay for you to not like something, but you’ve insulted these people and your viewpoint isn’t really standing on anything. That’s really mean. A lot of people in this fanbase seem to be pretty mean, unfortunately . . .
It’s not when it’s done on purpose, wow so you’re going to play denial and ignorant? You’re really not that smart aren’t you, because not knowing the difference between lazy and on purpose really shows that you’re going to be easy and fun to play with.
That doesn’t count as lazy, see that what I’m taking about denial. They did because she was a voted popular character, in other words a call back for fans of her. Do you have anything better to reply with?
Yes because you know much from the mind of a developer, japan, and the meaning of lazy. Have anything else to back you up on this instead of saying it? XD
Well, Severa was considered 7th best female on the character poll’s official site. But I do think Inigo was 6th best male, so that could be the reason why for the Inigo-alike. Doesn’t make sense since Owain hit 2nd best male. So why an Inigo’s look alike was chosen and not Owain could be laziness, or the fact that Owain is so good, you can’t replace/copy that. We can’t be entirely sure until an FE14 interview. Please stop bashing each other. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
It just occurred to me to ask, but will Fire Emblem If be compatible with the current 3DS XL? I really don’t want to have to buy the ‘new’ 3DS XL if I can avoid it.
Also, I am wondering about the inclusion of the Awakening kids in the campaign. Was Severa really that popular to be included in this as a ‘new character’? Because it didn’t seem that way to me. I also happen to dislike her so my bias may be colouring my perception, but I don’t recall many people calling her anything but bratty. Inigo I can understand, but Severa? (I swear to effin’ God if this touchpad autocorrects Inigo to Indigo one more time-) was Severa popular overseas?
I mean I actually liked Severa but to answer your question she, BEHIND Lucina, was voted as the best second generation female character in the Japanese polls. I cant really say im mad that there basically putting her back in as a new character but i also don’t think its nessecary to have her and this “Inigo” like guy in the game.
Since the box doesn’t says “New Nintendo 3DS” like the Xenoblade one , i guess the will be compatible with any 3DS.
Here are the results of the popularity contest in japan http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
I was reluctant to acceptem, but it seem (at least with Luna so far) that they will have different personalities, i guess they are fine to bring them again, since i didn’t recruit all of the children in Awakening… but i’ll be sad if Kjelle is a femnazi again.
Firstly, I will say that all of the reveals for these characters are great. I’m hoping we see some more laguz/bestial unit types(varying genders, please).
Additionally, for the clone-crying argument, Severa has a few things going for her in terms of her appearance in this game; different world/universe or not.
Dimensional gates/time travel -are- a thing. How else would the children have gotten to Awakening’s timeline?
There were an overwhelming amount of complaints with regard to not being able to get her with red hair like her mother’s, too. Granted that’s a ridiculous reason to put her in If, but still. Like any other Fire Emblem game… You don’t even have to use her, or talk to her.
Either way, she’s just one character out of an entire cast (many of which I adore, design-wise, on both paths). I didn’t love her in Awakening, but I didn’t hate her either. I will say that I could relate to her on account of the “pressure of living under a parent’s shadow” backstory hook.
Gonna be honest here… not too happy with the personalities for another three characters being essentially the same as children characters from Awakening. At least if Pieri isn’t a total wimp outside of her violent episodes, I guess that could work, but it’s not really indicative of hard work on IS’s part. I mean, Awakening only came out a few years ago… at least use a game that’s older or be more subtle about it.
Still can’t wait for the game to come out otherwise, though.
I guess that’s fair. I usually keep in mind that Intelligent Systems and Nintendo primarily produce for a Japanese audience, so they’ll mostly if not entirely cater to those demands. For me personally, there’s not really any added value, but I’ll see how they end up. *shrug* Like I said, I’m still getting the game. I’m still excited, just not equally excited for all characters and aspects. I think that’s reasonable.
I doubt this is anything smart I bet the designer just sucks at his job. I can’t believe they only thought of this guy when honestly awakening didn’t have the best character design. I’m a massive awakening fan too, I’d say it’s my fav game in the series but character design wasn’t perfect for sure.
What a character designer draws is based on specific instructions from their directors – the character’s personality and a general idea what they may look like. They then draw drafts and submit them for feedback. If the drawings are approved, they are used in the game. These designs are as planned and deliberate as Marx and Ryouma’s designs. There is a reason they look the way they do.
I wouldn’t doubt that, that makes sense. Since white version is obviously the version awakening fans should be buying they need a hook to get them to spend money on the same game.
Lol, I love the characters but do we really need clones of them. Hell could have just thrown them in as spot pass or DLC characters. It just shows how they are likely saving money on their budget by reusing models from awakening.
Using Spot Pass would save money on their budget. Drawing a redesign to have them as Nohr characters costs money. Writing entirely new support conversations to flesh them out as characters in this game costs money. The developers put time, effort and money into inserting these characters special into FE:if, and they did it for the fans who adore these characters.
Not really since Odin a dark mage plus the face and foot model looks better in IF compare to Awakening so you can’t say they use the same model. Plus I think they got some sort of reason for having these clones that may be plot relevant. Also, the clones you mention are from Nohr side I don’t know if you can recruit them in Hoshido but yea.
PS. Saving money by reusing model sounds good but I think the DLC would solve that problem already with having to buy either or both FE IF gams.
People have already explained why the idea that it was not on purpose makes no sense but the character descriptions should tell you that it was deliberate anyway – they basically describe Inigo and Owain to a T. This was done deliberately, not accidentally or because someone is too lazy to design new characters. Whether you like that or not is another thing but this wasn’t a coincidence.
I bet you 3rd path DLC is in the code too because this game was obviously early on in development just intended to be massive but then someone said “make that money split it up. “
Yah they are, no new animations or new models outside of cut scenes. It’s all in the code of the game, on the enemy lines and all that. I’m still holding onto hope that in the west like the special edition they will just put everything onto one cart.
Welp, I finally am starting to warm up to this game. As a decade+ long fan of series, all I had to do was drop my expectations for this game to absolute zero. I’m not really excited for it nor do I think it’ll be as great as pre-Shadow Dragon games were as a Fire Emblem game. But as a mobile-generation-friendly game, it’ll be a cute game to play satisfy the anime nerd in me.
“When equipped with a forged weapon whose name is written with 8 kanji, critical rate +10.” interesting… does this mean any random kanji characters will do? and i wonder how will this translate to the international versions….
IMO it would have been amusing if they all had polar opposite personalities as the children they’re based off of. If they told Yusuke to do this then it’s not his fault. But if this was all Yusuke’s idea then they should have gotten someone else to do the designs (or at least someone to oversee him) So I won’t give him any flack until I know what’s going on (though things usually point to the former than the latter, as in they tell Yusuke what to do. Because seriously, designers don’t just run out of character ideas. If that’s the case then they draw ideas from other characters that aren’t from their work, they don’t just reuse their own designs unless they’re made to…or they’re like the vast population of Deviantart (or they’re just completely full of themselves and just lazy beyond belief….and I doubt Yusuke goes into that category)
So I originally gave you this long ass response but then I realized….you’re an anon. You didn’t even set up your account….so yeah, you don’t even care enough to get notifications about this to respond back (unless I’m confusing it with guest accounts). I really don’t need to explain myself to you. If you’re dumb enough to think I was gloating with my previous statement, you are horribly wrong.
finally… another update lol, i waited about 4 days, which is about 96 hours, which is about 5760 minutes, which is about 345600 seconds… lol. But man, the capture thing is pretty cool.
Well, Pieri doesn’t look like a direct clone like Luna and the others, and FE is no stranger to characters having overlapping quirks. We’ve seen countless different characters who are all flirts (Sain, Virion, Gatrie) and characters who are young but don’t want to be babied (Rolf, Ricken, Tsukuyomi). Split personality could be a rising new archetype.
That’s true as well. I had actually not looked at the picture of Pieri prior to my previous comment, and I assumed that Lazwald was the only one of the three to have an actual picture.
These Awakenibg lookalikes look interesting,but most people are gonna complain at the sight if anything similar to Awakening,too bad most FE fans are whiners who hate progress and anything new! Anyway, I’m loving these character designs! I think Kozaki is FE at this point! He’s the best artist they’ve ever had!
I’m just worried because (like Awakening before it) with these lookalikes and amiibos, all I’m going to be concerned about is getting the previous games’ characters…. which kind of sucks for the new story.
That capture function is freaking awesome. My dungeon will be overfull!! ^_^
Owain was my favorite character in FEA but it was his uniqueness that made half his awesome… now he gets a ^%@#%* clone.
Of course, if it really turns out that the three are actually the same three from FEA, modestly reclassed with the help of some Second Seals and also after a jaunt through the Outrealm Gate, ala Camus/Zeke/Sirius, then I’d be all for it (not entirely happy because that’s still lazy writing to keep the “public” “happy” but still better than making up a soulless clone)…
…And thus, another FanFiction is born! Also, some head-canon but that goes without saying. Hey, we all need intricate ways to stomach the post-shark-jump games. 😉
I’d just like to point out the fact that at the end of Awakening, if Severa, Owain, and Inigo are NOT married, they ALL set off on their own journies. They no longer stay in Ylisse/Altea. So, it is quite possible that their journies all led to the same place and they all ended up working for Nohr. Maybe they’ll have support conversations together that hint at them knowing each other.
Or it’s just a way to get the newer players to buy the Nohr side, because newcomers to a franchise tend to gravitate towards game where they see familiarity. Either way, I’m a little miffed that they’re doing this, but I doubt it’ll affect the gameplay or story that much.
Also, why is everyone comparing Pieri to Noire. In her screenshot, she seems to be quite a cheerful person. It might be that on the battlefield, she becomes downright murderous. Not insane, note the wording. It’s “violent.” Which means that she could be the type that snaps into a “drill sergeant” sort of person on the field, and downright obliterates enemies.
Hopefully I’m remembering this correctly, but in one of the earlier interviews it was said that If is in another setting entirely/not the same world as Awakening. If we are talking coincidence it may just be an AU, but it isn’t the same world. I’ll see if I can find the link again and post back. May take a while as my laptop is getting its hard drive replaced, so I will try to find it manually.
Different worlds are moot point since the Outrealm Gates exists. In fact I’m almost certain these three are just the beta timeline kids who went adventuring through the Gate after Awakening.
What if they’re the kids from the main timeline and because they knew what the names of their kids was going to be from Lucina’s timeline they decided to name them something else?
I don’t know if this is an SMT thing, but in the new screenshot the clouds in the sky are being held up by ropes/cables/etc. Maybe it’s a play since we know that school is involved…
Come on. At least Pieri’s a unique character. Why are people trying to peg her as something else?
I’m definitely miffed at the 3 clones we’ve got; looks like 3 Uriah gambits, now.
lol i get the whole argument of “Their not original,” and blah blah but can someone explain to me how this is lazy character designing… honestly we don’t know the reasons for why they were put in the game… it could’ve been just to pay homage to the top ranked kids from Awakening. How does that make you lazy? Like everyone is complaining over 3 characters and we have yet to see how they even play out in regards to the plot…
So out of all of this there’s only one thing I care about….Odin has a pretty good bod for a Dark Mage and he wears an open-chest shirt. At this point I hope his official art has him wearing those spandex legging things for dem leg muscles.
Hello. I apologize if someone already brought this up, and I missed it. Just the three of the four main characters have a color in their names, correct? Does anybody else think the color is correlated to the Four Mythic Beasts in mythology? You know: Red Phoenix, Blue Dragon, White Tiger, Black Turtle? Maybe. Or maybe it’s just me. Thank you.
I SERIOUSLY need to stop spoiling myself. Can’t wait to 2016, hopefully the american version is both campaings in 1 cartridge, but my hopes are slowly falling to the shadow realm…
I’m going to be too busy petting the wolf-guy (he dresses pretty snazzy if that image is any indication) than doing other stuff quite honestly. I am curious about that puppeteer class though with what weapons they use.
Well, I like the fact they’re going all out with the minerals. My my FE, you’ve grown up exceptionally well since when I first played you years ago….wait. I guess I can’t say that because apparently to a certain someone I’m being conceited.
Man. This seems so much different from any other FE game. More like a regular RPG. Not that it’s a bad thing. The main battles are still FE, and the Castle adds a whole new level of awesome. Makes the game different and more fun.
I wonder if instead of talking to named enemies in battle to get them to join your side, as in previous games, maybe you have to capture them? I suppose it’s more a throwback to FE5 than it is a new broadening of detail. It does make way more sense than “Hey, you look mopey. Why don’t you join our side? We have cookies. ^_^ “
i knew all that already but ty anyway ^^ i think i just hoped for new ones like the blue haired maid xD or the ones in the trailer that we dont know about
After watching the video.. Skills are locked to classes but.. Going off assumption; Galeforce was locked down to the Pegasus Knight class tree, and from what we’ve seen, Nohr doesn’t have any. would this mean that Nohr Players will not have access to galeforce?
Perhaps the reference to the stars is something that will be explored more in the dlc story, as no matter where we live or who we fight for: we all see the same stars?
I was going to buy the face-plates, and had plans to ever since the announcement.
Just realized they aren’t for the XL, and the XL is the only one available to me, and the foreign systems have region lock.
Damn it.
I’m glad to see they’ve implemented the internet to visit other players and castles. Otherwise myself and many others who are not so lucky with the streetpass function would be up shit creek without a paddle. ☺️
This is going to be one hell of a long game and I’m looking forward to its release on this side.
So… Nintendo/Sakurai says that they won’t include Chrom because he will be too similar to the already existing FE characters (i. e. Marth and Ike), then they bring back the OG Marth clone. *claps slowly*
I’m not too excited for Roy to be honest, but hopefully they’ll change his moveset entirely. And now that I think about it, MAYBE Chrom might have an appearence as an alt costume for Roy, who knows.
The data in the patch included all of the alt costumes and the B special moves. All of Roy’s costumes are palette swaps and all of his specials are the same as Melee. Just like mewtwo, he isn’t any different. I just hope he has a unique final smash and not the same critical hit as Marth and Lucina.
Oh, that was leaked too? Welp, poor Chrom, maybe next century. Even the specials are the same? Man… hopefully, as you said, he has another Final Smash.
Just saw his Final Smash trophy was leaked too. It has the same health bar as the Critical Hit, but instead of a straightforward lunge it looks more like a big arcing hit.
Yeah, I realised after posting that that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I still think Troy Baker’s in though, as Ryouma or Marx – I thought it was the latter but now I’m hearing Roger Craig Smith, which is strange since he hasn’t done any Japanese games before this to the best of my memory.
(can’t get used to ‘Xander’, too. Why didn’t they make him Marcus or Max or idk…why Xander)
Nope, at first I thought it was Marx but there’s a moment with Ryouma (1:02) and his voice really sounds like Matt Mercer… Though on the other hand, there are two quotes when Ryouma and Marx are shown: “once and for all” one and “no more kings to the death”(? I’m not a native speaker so I’m not sure I didn’t mishear this part).
The first one sounds like something Marx would say, and it’s Mercer’s voice. Ryouma says the other part most likely referring to his late father (the guy killed in trailer ofc). BUT THEN I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH VOICE IS ACTUALLY HIS BECAUSE LATER AT 1:02 RYOUMA SCREAMS AND THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MATT MERCER.
So I’m not that sure anymore.
Yeah, I noticed just after posting this that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I can hear Troy Baker in Ryouma though. I thought he was Marx but now he sounds to me like Roger Craig Smith – strange because he hasn’t done anything Japanese in my memory before.
Don’t speak too soon. They didn’t reveal that there would be two versions initially in Japan, so they’ll probably do it the same way for the WW release.
I’m just saying this is the 3rd trailer they didn’t show it for in the west. This seems like the trailer to do it and explain it to consumers. They still could but I think we’ll find out more in the tree house or in a press release this week.
It does look fun! Thankfully, I’ve not been paying enough attention to new things in Japan to get sick of the idol thing, and I think it could be pretty neat. Not sure what it’ll be like, but given the people involved, hopefully it’s not gimmicky and actually makes things better.
You basically pop the old SD card into your laptop, then copy everything onto the laptop, take out the old SD card, put in the new one and transfer it on. This should help if you are stuck, I got my 25GB SD card working immediately and hasn’t done me any wrong.
outstanding analysis! u pointed out a lot of things i didnt even think of!! now i want the games more than ever…! play them till my brain burns! one thing i noticed, the lake Aqua seems to be in is Hoshidan territory…looking at the trees, its the kind u see in Japan oriented places
Cue the people complaining about it still being split. It honestly doesn’t matter, even if it was sold as 1 game you would still have to pay to play the other path so the only thing that your ”missing out on” is choosing what side you want to be on in-game, unless you get it digitally.
I swear I have to freaking edit this to make my stance clearer:
I know, its like they just totally overlook that fact. If somehow it was put all on one cartridge, the price would still be around the same in purchasing both games (as in one physical copy + the downloaded version…..GOD!!), compared to buying “Wanted One” (with all that content being jammed on there). So as you said, along with its unfathomable that people want Fate to not only be cheap, but also having 2 (3 if you count the third path tba) completely different games on one….for the price of one, rather than settling for 3 games for the price of 2. Not that anyone is required to actually play through more than the copy they bought.
Again, I’d really love to see how one version would cost the same as both versions. I could see it costing more, but you’ll have to explain instead of just pulling nonsense out of thin air.
No one is pulling nonsense dude. If it was being sold as 1 copy where you make the choice in game, you would still have to buy the other path if you wanted to play the other side. There’s no way Nintendo would condense it into 1 game for like 60 or so dollars where you can choose both paths in that single game. But there is literally no point in arguing about it since it’s already confirmed to be sold the same way in the west as Japan.
I’ve been reading about this since yesterday, and I’m tired of this. Let Nintendo do whatever they pleases, it’s obious that the player is the last of their worries. And I’m sorry if someone thinks that I’m an intruder, since I’m not even part of this comunity.
I’m from latinamerica, I started playing Fire emblem with the ones on the GBA, I liked them a lot more than tactics ogre or FF tactics, the mechanics, the characters, the story. And I can’t really argue with people who has played the ones that only were released in Japan, since I haven’t played those, and I’ve played only the ones that came here.
I know Nintendo and Intelligent Systems must have put everything they got, to get the FE franchise out of the frier, since Awakening was supposed to be the last and all that. but it seems to me that because of the outcry for the split, this might actually turn into dust everything they acomplished with Awakening, and fates would probably be the last FE, they make, or they could even stop localizing it in the west.
Now as for me, I won’t buy it, and not because I would rather see FE cancelled forever before it gets too casual, or because the waifus, or I didn’t liked the my castle feature, or something like that. I think that everything that serves to save it from oblivion is welcomed, if a guy, or a girl want to play casual, or phoenix, we’re nobody to tell them how to play, that’s stupid, if it helps to save the franchise, and the developers handle these new perks and features well, I think those changes are welcomed.
But, as I said before, I’m from latinamerica, and Nintendo of America, forgets about us all the time. In my country, one single 3DS game can cost 80 – 90 USD, this are going to be two separate games, okay, fine, “if you buy one phisical, you can download the other one for 15 usd”. Sorry but no, on my country that other path is going to be at least 40 USD, (if not 50). And then there is the third route, let’s suppose that there goes another 40 dollars. This game(s) is already more expensive than a home console game from any company. And what if in your country you don’t have access to the e-shop, then if you want these games, your only choice is gettin them phisical, and the discount? who cares? Not to Nintendo obiously, not to mention that in those places there won’t be a way to play the thrid route.
Why am I sying this, because it’s the truth, the game looks fantastic, but if I support this practice, they might turn this into the standard practice for future FE games, and our region is not getting more prosperous exactly. What would be a good way to solve this, at an international level, I don’t know. For me it will be to skip this one and wait for the next, if there is a next after fates.
I should have scrolled down before I posted further up as most of the foreseeable problems are things you mentioned, the price point issue in other countries in even greater detail (I had honestly forgotten that the Eshop isn’t supported in some countries). Sorry to hear games cost that much for you, here I am whining about paying 10 dollars more in Canada.
Sorry for the faulty grammar, I’m still learning english. I agree with you too, Nintendo is really making a leap of faith with this game. This move, the split, if it’s executed wrong, it can kill this franchise for us, and even though I would really like to defend the game, Nintendo makes things really hard for us, their fans, I simply hope for the best with this game.
I would explain, but a lot of it is common sense by looking back at how previous games were handled along with the information we have of “2 main routes and 1 DLC routes, each “supposedly” the length of Awakening” So three full fledged FE-length games being the price of one…..Nintendo isn’t gaining any profit from that with the amount of time they spent on all three routes (especially with the extra content AKA My Castle they added). Its the option fans want, but face it, Nintendo, like any company, looks out for themselves in ways to make themselves money.
Ah screw it, I’m going to just state myself, these are the variables:
If Fate is being sold for $40
“All three routes have just the same amount of content as Awakening”
-Awakening had 25 main-route chapters (I swear to god the only thing that turn me away from fate is if either side’s chapter count isn’t greater-than-or-equal to 25) and was sold for $40
Fate = Awakening in content
The first 6 chapters are the same in Hoshido and Nohr
19 entire chapters that are different from one-another (with their own individual cut-scenes and everything. Different maps, characters, etc.)
In retrospect, without a discount, the opposite route should be $30.4 if the first 6 chapters are excluded as they’re the exact same as its counterpart.
So full price of the two games (statistically) would be $70.4 (if we treated this as an equation and things were divided evenly).
But a copy of White & DLC Black visa-versa actually costs $60 (40+20 which is the discounted price).
Final Verdict:
Getting both games is around $10 cheaper than it was supposed to be. If you get all three, keeping the equation going. Actual retail value is $100.8, but its being sold for $20. So its $80 if you want to buy all three routes ($20 cheaper than its actual value). So yes…..let Nintendo put something that should be sold at $100 retail value all on one single ds card and sell it at a price that doesn’t reflect its actual cost *heavy sarcasm*
This is why content-wise, having to pay 60 for 2 or 80 for 3 versions of the game is better than paying the above. Anything cheaper is a slap in the face to Nintendo and its like they shouldn’t get back money that represents the time they spent on this game.
lol I didn’t notice that. I’ve been jumping back-and-forth between Yugioh and Fire Emblem all day I got the two messed up. Thanks for that because I honestly would have kept on saying it ^_^
Thank you. I’m just so tired of people bitching about ”how it ruins their experience since they make the choice before they play the game” or ”how 15$ is way too expensive” even thought it’s been stated multiple times that each side is practically it’s own game with enough content to warrant the price. I can’t tell if people are being greedy, or they just don’t like how Nintendo is selling this, but from the standpoint from the consumer and the business; the price and the way it’s being sold is perfectly fine, even if say 10$ would be the price everyone wants.
-Charade making the choice between both factions as a major selling point of the game.
-Remove making the choice at all from the game by locking the player into a path in two separate games.
-Choice now made in stores instead of in game.
Theif is now a bow using unit, swordmaster is back with the name trueblade, and assassin appears to be gone, although hopefully the jonin functions like an assassin.
Aqua is singing: You are the ocean’s great waves, destined to see life beyond the shore, just out of reach, yet the waters ever change, flowing like time, the waters, yours to try.
Not as sure about that last part since it is hard to hear over the arrows.
These most likely arent all the classes, as i counted 54, 55 if Dark Prince and Dark Princess are counted separately, plus 56 with Aqua. Assuming Aqua promotes, that makes it 57. If Mikoto and Garon have unique classes too, then its 59. The June trailer said over 60, so unless that includes enemy-only units, then there must be a couple more we havent seen yet.
These look amazing. It makes me excited to see the class sketches in the art book for this game – I loved them in Awakening’s book, I bet this book’s sketches will be awesome too.
im honestly not to impressed with the american dub haha on the brightside though at least i was correct in assuming Ryoma was gonna be played by matthew mercer ;p
I feel Bow is just useless now. What’s the point of using a Bow on a Flying unit if it has a tome or sword and the Weapon triangle reduces Bows accuracy and other stats.
True but you’ll still likely miss a Swrd FalcoKnight, but most fliers now are more prone to Magic weakness. Wyverns can still survive a hard Bow shot and retaliate with a Javelin just a bit less. Revenant Knight is a Wyvern rider with an Axe or Tome, making either it either miss and retaliate hard or below average on this class. Most of the best lance units like Knights, Generals, Paladins etc. But their all high Def units. Only the Pegasus Warriors will have trouble, but Butler, Ninja’s and other couple of hidden Weapon users I bet will use Swords, thus beating Bows… again.
I’m thinking about this a little to deep.
hmmm so setsuna is not the blue maid okey im starting to think blue maid is actualy not important or it is important but a character like philia in awakening lolz
I think because most of the updates are in Hoshido [e.g. there are more new classes in Hoshido and the cultural stuff revolves more in Hoshido].
[whisper: andAqua’salwaysinwhiteinthetrailersahaha]
Most of the characters that were shown are either Hoshido only or appear in both versions so maybe it’s less don’t care about and more appealing to what’s more popular with japanese audience which is Hoshido (Obviously).
Good god! I’m not sure if Asama’s hair is supposed to be the equivalent of a fro. Either ways, his bio makes him sort of hippie’ish so I guess the hair goes with the personality.
Man. This almost doesn’t seem like a FE game. 8D In a good way. Some people that have been long time fans may not like the change, but I’m interested in what this means for the franchise. FE has always (well, except for a certain Ike) had royalty at it’s center point, with the avatar playing as either a background character, or not being present at all. FE:A started to tip the balance with Robin being a major plotpoint, but still have Chrom and the others as the ‘main’ characters. In this game, you play both parts. Main character, avatar, and who knows what they’re going to do for tactician. XP
Aqua is a singer ! She can sing (well duh !) for the other units so they can fight twice and she also uses a spear ! It’s similar to Olivia’s class in awakening.
Let me start this with i’m fine with two versions on a personal level because the content appears to be there.
They are really screwing up here because they aren’t outright saying that they are two separate versions you buy at retail. The trailer, the thing that will have been viewed by the very most amount of people did not show two versions. They are selling these two games as one game in marketing and it isn’t the case according to themselves. By sending very mixed messages about choice when there isn’t a choice for retail buyers.
Also I want to address 15 dollars not “being a lot of money” that’s your value judgment if you believe that. 15 dollars ontop of 50 dolalrs for some is a lot of money. Then add 3rd path DLC, a new 3DS so you can access amiibo, scalping costs for each amiibo, the DLC that currently is only inside of 10 dollar structure decks and this game gets really expensive really fast.
Cool to hear about supports coming back. I guess the other question I have now is whether or not the marriage feature is coming back. (I guess there’s no children this time around.)
Nintendo is extremely vague with their wording. It simply says “early-purchase bonus”, which I assume is a type of “first-print bonus”. Here’s the original tweet (in Japanese).
Thanks for the reply and for garon and mikoto I think that theres a chance that they can be recurited somehow through paralogues like awakening. I’m just guessing, but you were able to recruit emmryn in awakening through this so maybe something of this sort?
Maybe it’s an end-game feature. In Awakening, all the additional paralogues with characters like Emmeryn, Priam, Aversa, etc were accessible only before you went on to beat the final boss/after you finish the game.
Still wondering what the deal is with Garon. He kidnapped the baby Avatar, isolates and threatens them with fire…yet apparently he can join either side?
I’m a touch confused on the “biggest Fire Emblem game” business. Haven’t there been several games in the series with more than 28 chapters? Not that chapter count is necessarily an accurate barometer (Holy War). But we’ve known each version is supposed to be roughly as big as Awakening, so it’s unlikely to be an issue either way.
They meant when the two campaigns are combined. Of those 28 chapters, 6 are shared, so the total unique chapter count is 22 + 22 = 44. So… hey, that’s less chapters than Radiant Dawn. Oh, but there are probably sidequests too. Even just the usual 10 will bump it over Radiant Dawn.
We know we have babies based on males now so we likely will get a side quest for every male characters baby + avatars baby if female (I assume she will be special like male robin was and chrom). We may also see another character be special like how chrom was so yah we will have tons of side stuff too.
However, we don’t know for sure that it’s 28 chapters, they are saying as long as awakening but they are like putting that on the back of the box, they could easily be stretching the truth.
Well to be fair, the Nohrian siblings aren’t biologically related to the Avatar tho so it’s not out of the question… unlike Hoshidan siblings I guess, lol
Wouldn’t the children existing in an alternate reality be like Awakening’s time travel? You know, Outrealm stuff. But we saw Aqua and Kamui entering portals in the introduction video, so it’s the most likely theory.
By the way the way kanna say it in the magazine, she saids it like she was training all these years more then coming from a another world. Ok who said that when coming from another world anyway because the last time I checked that’s fucking odd.
Mehh….even though they go hand-in-hand I’m moreover happy about the children just for the fact that we get more characters. Looks like I’m just going to keep on doing that male skinship thing instead/ find the most open female out there to marry. In Awakening the only reason I went with Anna was because she seems to be the type who wouldn’t care if Male MU ended up with a guy if she could just sell the photos.
Man these games really are gonna be as long as Awakening, huh? Well let’s see…I have over 500 hours on Awakening spread across four game files, and this entry is gonna be three games long spanning Nohr, Hoshido, and the third route, and if I play a minimum of three files per game, then that means……….I’m boned.
And my immediate first thought in how they tie this together was the first Fullmetal Alchemist series. I won’t get into too many spoilers on that, but I don’t think the answer is gonna be time travel.
Ikr, if anything Camilla seemed like a shoe-in for some yuri….or bisexual antics.
If anything there better be more platonic same-sex supports/ don’t have every female able to support with all the guys (just to make their supports more unique compared to Awakening when you just knew that some guys and girls would never work out with each other, despite having the option to)
It’s their characters, their story, and their game. So of course, they’re going to do what they want. And unless they had a team full of homo people, I doubt they’d ever be interested in including such relationships.
Not sure why anyone would get their hopes up about such a thing in the first place. -_-‘
And their characters and their stories have always been rife with homosexuality, even in the most recent game.
You don’t need to have a “team full of homo people” to understand that homosexual and bisexual people exist, and even then, considering the usual homosexuality rates and the size of the team working on this game, it’s more than safe to assume that more than a handful of them are not heterosexual.
Many fans (not just bi/homosexual fans, mind you) were very vocally upset about the lack of same-sex marriage options in recent titles like Awakening and Tomodachi Life, and Nintendo even responded by saying that they didn’t recognize how important it was to their fans and that they would keep it in mind for future games.
You don’t need to be homosexual or bisexual to understand or support such relationships, especially for a game developed in Japan where recent trends of yuri in media are usually met with high popularity and approval.
But no, forgive me for getting my hopes up that a character like Camilla (who has on multiple occasions been stressed to be hopelessly obsessed with Kamui) could marry female Kamui. Especially considering that Velka’s profile suggests that Camilla is AT LEAST bi.
Approximately two percent of the general population is gay/bisexual. It’s a miniscule cross section.
I’m left handed and often had to use right handed desks in high school because there aren’t nearly as many southpaws. And the percentage of left handers is far higher than the percentage of lgbt individuals.
Being inconvenienced by membership in a minority group is part of life. It’s unfortunate but understandable. Gotta learn to suck it up.
2% is a really conservative estimate, many studies go up to 5% or higher. In more modernized areas, especially large cities and areas where religion isn’t prominent, the estimates can get as high as 15%, and keep in mind this isn’t counting people who don’t want to admit it on record.
Don’t compare the hand you write with to the gender you’re attracted to, the difference there is massive.
Not in this context. In this context there is no difference, because in this context I’m simply demonstrating that the needs and wants of smaller groups can’t always be adequately met. If you and your brother want to go to Applebees but everyone else in the family wants to eat at the Olive Garden, you’re probably gonna have to go to the olive garden. The needs and wants of the many outweigh those of the few.
Also, local population statistics of cities are irrelevant, although the two percent might have been a bit conservative. I’ve seen some report as high as four and even five as you suggested, but that doesn’t change the fact that the number is incredibly small
Now, I feel so damn pathetic, but I wonder if the amiibo version of FE characters are going to have support convos with you (like spotpass unlockable characters in Awakening) cuz you know… these news.
while im fine with 2 versions, why are they marketing it as one game? sometimes they say you choose DURING the game, but you kinda choose before you even get the game… and the trailer is marketing it as 1 game… yet, its going to be 2 games?… the japan trailers atleast market it as 2 versions, but why are the american trailers marketing it as 1?
From the information flying around the internet, the decision of different routes during the game is for the Japanese version (I could be wrong) where they have 4 versions of the game ( Hoshido, Nohr and a copy with both version for a price of 2 games and the digital version).
I re-watched the choose your path trailer and information stated within the direct, it’s definitely heavily implied that the game is a singular entity, it even goes as far to say that Hoshido is more traditional to the series described as “more accessible” (easier), and that Nohr is more “complex” with “difficulty that is more challenging”. As to why I feel this to be significant is that they’re marketing the two stories essentially as additional difficulty settings for the game which if this falls through as two versions we will have been misled with false advertisement, something that people in a country like America love to bury businesses over; it seems like it’s treading close to bait for a class action lawsuit, something Intelligent Systems really doesn’t need at the moment (I get it may sound far fetched and dramatic, but companies have been sued over lesser issues by ‘Muricans).
It’s still at the point where they can measure fan reaction and make changes, but this is Nintendo; at the end of the day they will do whatever they want.
I personally don’t care as long as the dual version is as common as the single copies, if not more common.
Mhh okay if they put the marriage system back in since so many people enjoyed it, but the children as well? Would have liked it more if it was an awakening thing only. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how well they fit into the story.
I mean, in the game where it first appeared, it didn’t use time travel, it skipped ahead to a time through peace where the children were fully grown. I believe it was with Sigurd and Seliph.
Does it actually outright say “straight couples only” in the scans or is that just an assumption?
I mean, I know there’s no point in hoping I can actually be gay this time, but I can’t help it 🙁
looking at it from a mechanical standpoint, it only makes sense that they would only allow straight marriages because of the children and skill inheritence
No there weren’t gay marriages in FE4, but when a character didn’t get married in the first generation, there was a different kid in place of the one that would be in the second generation cast had the character gotten married. The replacement has worse stats and growths.
I think what they’re getting at is if there’s no boink-boink then there would be a new character in place of the child that was supposed to be there. Either that, or having the supposed “child” be an apprentice to the father instead of actually their child (as the children are now based off of their dads). But oh well, not like either two choices will be happening.
This is a world where people can shoot fireballs and transform into dragons and stuff, I don’t think gay couples having children would be too farfetched. Especially if the kids are actually from another dimension or something, which seems to be the case.
Seriously, i can not STAND mpreg, the game going anywhere near that will completely ruin LGBT representation, and be a big spit in the face to actual NORMAL gay people
They don’t have to do mpreg or anything, just “oh hey, look, it’s our magical child from another dimension” or whatever would be fine. Maybe one of the gods blessed them with the (already-born) child or something? There’s a lot of ways they could do it that wouldn’t involve mpreg.
Sure, if you want to compare inclusion of a hair color and German translations to having to write and program numerous support conversations that approximately two percent of people will have any interest in reading. Of course such a comparison is asinine.
Bear in mind that programming a hair color takes virtually no time at all. Also bear in mind that translating the game to German opens up the game to approximately 100 percent of the German 3ds gamer market and would be responsible for driving every single sale of the game in Germany.
So in summation hair color takes very little effort from them-ie low investment, and translations literally open up entirely new markets in which the game can be sold- ie yields potential for high reward. Gay supports fit neither of these categories. They require a decent amount of investment and will drive few to no sales.
I personally don’t care either way. I’m just explaining to you why the developers likely didn’t deem it worth their valuable time and energy.
I realize it would be a lot of effort to make support conversations between every single character, but really I’d be fine even if it was just exclusive to the Avatar. And presumably the Avatar can A-support everyone already anyway, so it wouldn’t be that much work to write the S-supports as well. Heck, even if they only made it possible for a small amount of characters, that would still be better than nothing. It would definitely bring a lot of attention to the game as well, and most likely bring in quite a few more sales. Sure, not as many as a German translation would, but a considerable amount nonetheless. Assuming your 2% statistic is accurate, the amount of gay people who bought Awakening is about half the amount of Germans who did so, and I’m sure a lot more would buy it if they could actually be gay in the game. A lot of straight people too, based on what I’ve seen of various fandoms online. Even disregarding this, some other companies do allow gay relationships in their games, and they haven’t had any loss because of it from what I’ve heard. Nor do I think they really considered that in the first place.
Either way, in the end, it all boils down to feeling actively alienated in games I would otherwise love – time and time again. I mean, yeah, I’ll play it and enjoy it anyway. But it would be nice if I could actually feel like my avatar represents ME, for once, instead of forcing me to be something I’m not. Is that really too much to ask for?
Dude, just as the guy before you, Youngotakubwoy said, this is still a medieval setting – where every male had to marry a female and every female had to marry a male for lineage’s sake, even royals. I’m sorry, and just so you know, I do support homosexual rights, but that’s something for this current century and beyond. If they make a Fire Emblem based on today’s situations and takes place in the today, maybe they’ll do it, but even I as a supporter realize that even the mention of that is incredibly idiotic.
There won’t be. This is Nintendo. Nintendo is a conservative Kyoto based company. Nintendo would not make a game with gay marriage. There will probably only be tongue in cheek stuff like in the last game, but there absolutely will be no marriage between same-sexes. You have to take in mind that this is a medieval type setting with kings and queens and lineages being important, they would make a proLGBT statement and change the child making mechanic with a far fetched story asspul.
That is right, but i fear to even think about what the FE14 tags on Tumblr will become. Not to mention that it would be terrible storywriting. Im getting way too rilled up by this, but it really irks me.
A gay pair that has an adopted/magically created child would be cool, more than one instance of it would get really weird really quickly
Fair enough, I was mostly thinking they’d limit it to the Avatar anyway though. (Especially since otherwise, all gay couples would have two kids and all lesbian couples would end up with none, since the kid is linked to the father.) Not that they’ll do it in the first place, but if they did.
Holy shit! have some respect! I stated an opinion of mine and you said “Go To Hell”. This is unbelievably offensive on so many levels! What is wrong with you! calling the people who don’t like a certain aspect of the game fags WTF we have opinions as well! You need to learn to accept others opinions. You support gays in FE don’t ya, well I don’t but do you see me bitching at every comment talking about it? NO! Because unlike you I don’t get my internet enjoyment fucking with others! I know I just gave you what you wanted but seriously hating on the people with opinions other than yours is fucking wrong, and even worse than that is attacking someone with words as offensive as “Go To Hell”!
Ignorant if what? Because old fans don’t like new thing to the series? Sims , pokemon , and harvest moon have this mechanic and fans love the series, because sometimes a character in video games having a family make them more human and special in story’s or for players.
Those are irrelevant since those games are built around it from the beginning and that’s how it’s meant to be played (Though Pokemon doesn’t marry. We just force animal cruelty to be the very best). Fire Emblem was built with different mechanics. It’s what Fire Emblem is leading too is more what Old Fans (That aren’t weeaboo’s at least) fear of and dislike. And having a family doesn’t make you more human. Understanding and morals do. Look at FF7.
Pokemon has a breeding mechanic were you created fighters, pokemon were also built to fight.
Ff cloud has a little adoptive kid that he takes care of.
Some of your old fans shipped lyn or Marth.
Your fan base loves a game that has trope characters, colored haired, anime move set , art that’s based on old anime, and original fantasy cliché story.
Breeding and Marriage is different. I can make two pokemon make a baby and then make the baby… with mum… grows, but whatever. Ugh! This is just disgusting talking about it. I’m done.
Really? Creating units to fight and die for you that’s not like pokemon breeding, in war you need a army and of course you need to breed that army. The marriage thing is just a thing to make it less messed up.
You seriously need to chill, Delvin. The older games were just as enjoyable as the current ones and you need to respect that they will have their opinions. Seriously, marriage, kids or not, I’m just glad they kept the support conversations and as long as the story is still excellent, I could give a flying care.
There are a lot of strategic games out there nintendo just needed to give it something a little new. Besides people love ship characters especially Lin and Marth. D
I’ve been reading other comments and you keep replying to those not really interested with the marriage system. Stop acting like a rude kid and start respecting their opinions.
i guess it would be more interesting if they could add a new mechanic for marriages, i mean adding a side quest which includes a flash back of the spouse’s past. it helps for more character development and could make the marriages a bit more interesting
No no no nooooooo~
I liked how the supports worked in the previous games (well, except for RD) but the mariage mechanic… This is just fan-service, seriously.
I get the feeling that you’re only a troll, but stop using the same argument over and over again. All of them just seem really childish and have no evidence or whatnot to back it up. It’s really annoying.
That’s not exactly the same because in my opinion in FE4, there was a concrete plot and the marriage and kids system was well done whereas in FE13, they tried to redo it and to me, failed. True, the fact that you can practically marry whoever you want, that you have endless possibilities to do so is innovating and brings more fans to the franchise, but I actually think it brings a lack of personality to the characters, or that they are being too stereotypical. I’m talking about the kids, not the parents. It’s paradoxical, I know, but the kids seem quite shallow to me and the child-father supports are generic. If the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?
Hope it’s understandable, because I’m not a native English-speaker.
Failed? They added them as mor units to your army also it was pretty simple too “the future was in trouble so they come back to help prevent this”. Well the child is produce by the mother thee father could be anyone you choose so it might take a little longer especially when that was about to be the last game. Also there are plenty of tropes in fire emblem franchise You dumb fuck.
“Failed?” Just read again the reasons I said this.
Indeed, the franchise is full of stereotypes which is why I said “I’m talking about the kids, not the parents” because it’s the parents who are the archetype characters and the kids being stereotypical. And indeed again, “if the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?”
You seem slightly blind, or you might have a selective eyesight?
There’s a lot of mixed feelings over the marriage mechanic. It’s always been in fire emblem actually, except it usually only happened when you beat the game with certain characters at A level support. I’m an old fan and I’ve always liked to pair people up before the game ends. So I don’t really care about how they do it as long as it doesn’t become a flat out waifu simulator.
I know it’s always been in Fire Emblem but like you said, it only occurred when you beat the game with certain characters when they reached A support. That’s why I really how the supports worked in the previous games because it wasn’t that present in the plot while in FE13, it’s practically waifu and hubby.
True, awakening did put a little more emphasis on the marriage system, but I only did it for the kids lol. But I’m not very familiar with the way the marriage system worked in FE4, so I can’t really make and harsh judgements on FE13.
I do know that the supports were made easier to get in FE13. Before I always had to make good use of each character’s limited number of support conversions for the endings I wanted with them.
Actually because you finally get to create own character in the game, again this mechanic before, but the thing is in fe 7 they created a sequel for money instead of adding the time skip mechanic like fe4. You dumb ass, use your fucking head next time.
…Anybody who knows anything about videogame history is laughing there socks off right now.
Please stop making yourself look like an irate idiot and leave.
Somehow I doubt we’re going to have the Awakening marriage mechanics all over again, actually. Yeah, we’ll have marriage and children but Awakening was all for the fanservice. Fates seems to actually be putting more thought into the writing so I imagine we’ll at least have same-sex paired endings even if they can’t make babies.
Kinda expected the marriage system, but not the children thing really. Wonder how they are going to explain how the children got to the present anyway. People need to calm down about this tho, it’s not like it’s a bad/weird thing having your characters marry, again it’s completely optional.
Exactly, I don’t get why some people make a lot of fuss over something optional. Sure it MIGHT be a little bit ridiculous to have the time travel thing again, but we still don’t know for sure if that’s how you meet the children.
The “it’s optional” argument does not hold water. I think of it this way: you have a friend who throws great parties. Then at some point there starts being a corner of the house where people can go get a free handjob. “It’s optional!” some people say. “You don’t have to go get a handjob if you don’t want one! A lot of people really love the handjobs!” But at some point, you start to feel like it’s just not your kind of party anymore…
The marriage/child mechanics were well-incorporated in FE4. Having a time skip and starting a whole second chapter really worked. The “we come from the future” mechanic was shaky at best in Awakening, and the marriage system was so open-ended it really took away from a lot of the characterization (everyone had to be much more of a blank slate for the “they can pair with anyone” thing to work). We don’t know how exactly the children will be shoehorned in here. Maybe they will make it really work well! But it’s easy for a lot of people to have a bad feeling…
1: the handjob thing is completely stupid, because of women, gay guys, guys with a spouse or girl friend. In other words saying people love Hand jobs is completely. Stupid, also diffrerent.
2 : there are a lot of parties with that type of action you need a better way to describe something.
3: you have to be the gayest fucking twick wod to cry of something minor as this, also do you do everything other people do?
4: the optional thing means people like you don’t have to do, it’s bloody harmless.
5: in war there kids with the story they can be the main protagonist, a ride along, or a cheerleader.
6: you know this is why I make fun of you guys in wank off forest, because you don’t let other players have fun on something that’s harmless and it’s over a game that’s not even worth the dirt under my shoes a game that has irrevent gameplay, cliché fantasy stories, colored haired anime heroes, and trope charaters from video game, anime, or some other made up story.
P.s want you guys to remeber that your fan base is about to die and when it does I’m going to take a good laugh at old fans and wish them a bloody and painful death.
Holds no water? Dude, it’s a fact it’s optional. The whole example is so silly that made me laugh, but I do see your point. Regardless of that, as with any annoying fanbase, can’t you just ignore it?
I agree that FE4 had a better mechanic at introducing 2nd gen. units, but I never had a problem with Awakening’s time travel. As for the marriage system, it was pretty open on which character could marry another, but if you paid attention to the support conversations, you’ll notice that some relationships work out better than others. As for the inclusion of children again, I’m just hoping that it’s not time travel again, we just had that in Awakening, but as you and I said, we still don’t know HOW. It may still have a chance.
I’m not arguing about whether or not it’s optional, just making the point that it’s easy to be bothered or feel alienated by it even if you aren’t forced to participate. I didn’t think characters were well developed in Awakening; a few supports gave details on their past, but more likely you just get elaboration on their “quirk”. But yeah, I do think it’s possible they have a “how” scenario that makes sense and doesn’t feel forced and adds a lot to the story (but I am still really annoyed by face-touching minigames, no matter how optional).
We make a fuss cause it’s the “Not Fire Emblem way” and “It’s weird because players just play for pander” and other crap. Rather simple but over used excuse. A game about smart strategy, planning, complex system and we get this. And the optional isn’t optional when you’re playing Lunatic+. You then are forced to play this Waifu Emblem 2016. That’s basically it. Veterans basically just hate the marriage system and that fanbase, but they’re not wrong.
How is it not the fire emblem way, Awakening wasn’t the 1st FE game to do the marriage/child system. So what if it’s a strategy game, what’s wrong with having a feature that bonds your units together that is completely optional? While supports for Awakening were helpful, it’s not like it forced you to watch the confession scenes or the support conversations, just simply skip them and get your ”precious S support” that you need so much for lunatic +. Please, if anything most veterans welcome back this system because it’s a nice bonus feature to the game that is, once again, completely optional. Please stop trying to act like this system ruined the FE you love, because you are in the minority if you think that the marriage and children features are a hindrance to the game.
FE4 did it differently and much better, with an entire 1st/2nd gen split.
Also, the mechanic feels tacked on. The only reason they even included it in Awakening was as a shout-out to FE4 in the first place.
It only really exists to cater to those who are obsessed with the “Waifu Emblem” crap. It’s fanservice and pandering for the sheer sake of it.
And “most veterans welcome back the system”? On both sides of the fandom and the Pacific, I’ve been hearing nothing but arguments and complaints about this that mirror each other.
Fe 4 had it’s way of doing it with the time skip, Awakening had it’s way of doing it with time travel which made sense in the game. Unlike Fe4 though, children were pretty much irrelevant to the story, besides Lucina, so once again it’s most likely just going to be something there as a bonus to getting units married. I wouldn’t say the only reason they did it in Awakening was just as a shout out to Fe4, they just brought back the idea that was only used in 1 other game and it worked. Like I said, its optional so if it bothers you that much that they brought it back because you say people wanted it then just skip it, or don’t bother with the children. The only reason some people are complaining is because they don’t know how they are going to implement how the children got there in the 1st place. They are just worried that they might use the same reasoning as Awakening with the time travel thing, but I really doubt its going to be the same reasoning so unless it is, don’t know why people are this upset about it.
There’s literally much better stuff to bitch about the game then this. If the children and marriage systems are bothering you that much, then that’s your problem. Whether it’s the fans or just the system in general that you don’t like about it, then, once again, that’s your problem. And what’s the problem with trying to maximize sales? If adding an addition like this again will increase sales, then what the fuck is the problem. They didn’t add this system again just for the people who only care about marrying characters and getting every kid, like you said. It’s literally just a side mechanic that you can simply skip.
Actually nintendo watches is on the internet all the time now and they watch people play match maker with fire emblem before awakening. Also besides the males and females are really lonely so why not , because let’s be be honest anyone who spends more time on fire emblem then real life is going to be lonley.
I have nothing wrong with the marriage and supports and stuff. Sorry guys if you got me wrong, but it’s just the fanbase that annoys me. Support has been in FE since forever so I don’t have a problem, but people who only play Awakening, don’t touch Classic with 15 foot pole and just play for the marriage system is why I hate it.
I feel like it added a lot of depth to the game as -imo- much of the dialogue was fairly amusing and made your units seem more like real people. I see you issue with it seeming mandatory though with support pairing advantages and child units being veritable gods if built properly (I know my Lunatic Classic playthrough would have been shot without Brave weapons letting Chrom/Lucina support strike Grima with their Falchions 4 times each in one turn)
I can understand the thing about the fanbase cuz i completely agree that ther’ye annoying but the fanbase doesnt realy have to do with the gameplay and functions of the game plus i mean i personally wouldnt make a big deal about the why ppl played awakening and stuff just because everyone has their own reason to play a game… getting mad over it is just isnt going to help anyone but this is just me adding my two cents ^~^
Ive played all the games and i love what they did in Awakening, honestly that was the best way to bring Geneology back. In this veterans opinion the series just gets better and better
They’re not wrong, but neither are the people who like the marriage system and that fanbase. If you hate it so much don’t buy the game. No one’s forcing you.
That doesn’t make sense. Like I could have known what Awakening was going to be like when I bought it. And even then, you’re telling someone, on Fire Emblem website, to not buy Fire Emblem.
Except SF and Famitsu pretty much TELL you what the games are gonna be like before you buy them.
And just because it’s an FE website…well, okay, maybe there’s something else about Fates you’re interested in. But you seem so angry about the changes, and why play a game that makes you angry?
Exactly. The fact is, fandoms and playerbases change. Franchises change. This isn’t “pandering to the Waifu Crowd”, this is “Awakening tried something, the game proved a major success so we’ll give the players more of what they liked”. The old guard has the option not to buy this game, or use the marriage mechanic. No one’s throwing the pre-Awakening games in the trash and saying “sorry, no more for you”.
I think the fandom is just overreacting and getting angry isn’t going to change a thing. Buy it or don’t. You have a choice.
Pretty much. I don’t really get what some people are mad about since the marriage/children systems in Awakening were great and added alot of different ways you could pair up units etc. Guess some people are just doubtful because they think they are going to use the time travel thing again as a reason how the kids are there anyway.
I loved the mechanics of the old games too, but if I want them I’ll just…play those games! And marriage+babies dates all the way back to Seisen, which is the most popular pre-GBA game.
I just hope same-sex A supports can have paired endings too, even if they’re not overt with the HoYay/LesYay subtext. Because from the sounds of it, marriage+children isn’t as big a theme in this game.
It’s not the marriage and kids that bothers me, as a hardcore FE veteran. It’s how they’re going to be explained.
FE4 had the first generation marry and produce children. The first generation was then roasted by Alviss, and there was a timeskip, meaning that it was a very viable reason for the second generation to become the new main cast. In Awakening, we had the whole despairing future thing. That was a large part of the plot. But I’m wondering how kids will fit into the whole “fend off Anya/Nohr” and “Revolutionize the kingdom from within” paradigms of Hoshido/Byakuya and Nohr/Anya, respectively. Marriage has been around for a long time in FE, and tended to be at the end of the game, with characters confessing love at the A support, so it really doesn’t bother me.
I hate this “If you don’t like it then don’t play it” argument. Even ignoring the marriage mechanic, the games are still quite good so I still have many reasons to play it anyways. There’s nothing wrong with providing constructive criticisms and demanding a level of quality from one of Nintendo’s flagship franchises in order to make it better for everyone. I don’t many are inherently against a marriage mechanic, but the way it was done in Awakening was not very well done and could use a lot of renovations. The fact that children are returning despite the logical inconsistencies is ominous at best.
Fair enough. But the marriage mechanic is still optional and so are the kids and it gets tiresome to see people complaining all the time about a mechanic they’re not being forced to use.
Well I actually want my characters to get married I just don’t like how it works here. Like if the Avatar gets married, why is the wife never in any cutscenes – it just feels so unnatural that she wouldn’t become more important to the plot afterwards. Plus you never see any interactions between them after the marriage besides for some random in-battle dialogue. I want the marriage mechanic – I just want it to be done properly
To be honest, that bothered me about Awakening, too. In order for the Avatar’s spouse to matter a female Avatar had to marry Chrom and there was a goldmine of feelings to explore from other characters. Lissa, Lucina and Frederick at least retained a teeny bit of relevance since they’re plot-important anyway, but what about characters like Tiki?
LOL no need to apologize – and yeah thats my biggest issue with marriage as well. I think Ideally Fates will have a bunch of cannon relationships you can build if you want to and the MU is the only one with some choice so that each relationships gets a large deal of development. Not to mention things like Cordelia crushing on Chrom even after she’s married, like aren’t you happy with your own man *ugh
Sorry. I’m a bit out of the loop. So I’m reading that some fans are upset about the whole marriage system, but I don’t understand why. The old support systems in FE7-FE12 were not that great, especially FE Radiant Dawn’s. Why are people opposed to the current system? I enjoy being able to see multiple support conversations before deciding on my favorite based on their interactions and class specialty. Children double the fun and make for a badass line up of troops. So, where’s the downside here?
It is true that a good amount FE supports are pretty stale, especially in Radiant Dawn. The only reason some people are opposed to the marriage system is because they think it was only added back in for pandering due to the fan-base it created in Awakening. Even tho Thracia had marriage and children, some people act like Awakening was the only FE game that had these mechanics. That’s the thing though, there is no downside so the people getting worked up over it are retarded. It adds way more character development, more characters with the children, and allows players to pair up people based on how they want.
Overall, the marriage/children features are ones that only improve the game with what they add. The small portion of people complaining are only complaining because they couldn’t care less about the side features such as marriage, and only care about the game-play. Also they don’t like how the FE fan-base has changed with Awakening with a lot more people focusing on the characters, aka waifu wars and such.
Uhm, Orochi kinda looks like a sexual predator. I liked the children characters in Awakening well enough, but I would have preferred if we had skipped them for Fates. Hopefully they’re completely optional and I can leave them for post game.
*Sigh*
…After my initial frustration,… I’m disappointed.
There’s no real reason for the 2nd generation to exist outside of pandering to those obsessed with “Waifu Emblem”.
Way to pour cold water on our hype, IntSys.
This just feels really shoe-horned in; the initial trailers and such makes it seem that IS was trying to tell something big, epic, and different, only to eventually start playing it safe, first bringing in the Awakening expies, then marriage, then the child mechanic.
I can’t see this positively effecting the game overall; it’s just going to hold it back for a lot of people.
Yeah, what rainmaker said. No one’s going to force you to make the characters get married and have babies. The kids are optional, if you want to play an epic dramatic story with no waifus and babies then go for it.
This argument holds no water. The mechanic offers gameplay bonuses. So penalize myself, then? And to use a modified analogy from someone above, if you’re at a party and suddenly a corner where people can smoke opens up, sure “it’s optional”, but you really start to get the feeling that it’s just not your kind of party anymore.
Well, pretty much every Fire Emblem had a marriage-system of sorts… if you got an A support between the right characters, they got married AT THE END…
Right now, I’m hoping that instead of lazy-writing-kids-from-the-future crap, they take after FE4 and have a timeskip. As the Avatar is part dragon (the most dragon-like of the lot of their varied siblings, if I’m honest; nobody else has got pointy ears…) maybe that means the Avatar has draconian longevity too and won’t look too much older after twenty years… thus explaining why we haven’t seen old Avatar… oh, and everyone else from the first generation dies from chivalrous dummy syndrome sometime mid-game.
Just my hopes but as Awakening made more fans than Genealogy did (though the latter did make a whole batch of seasoned, respected fans ^_^; ), it’ll probably be a rehash of Awakening. T_T
i love the marriage system, its fun, cute and and i get to see the characters in diferent situations of life. Why so much hate? its optional, dont marry them if u dont wanna
Exactly what you said: optional. They had no real effect on the game, and were simply there to encourage the “Waifu Emblem” nonsense. If the don’t serve any real purpose except to get the scummy part of base to buy it, then why even bother implementing it and just put the resources towards something else?
Or maybe they want a unique experience of enjoying Fire Emblem’s gameplay while also yes having their dating sim. Fire Emblem is now a unique gaming experience you can’t find anywhere else as far as I know
Get back to me when half the people who talk about Fire Emblem don’t jump straight to “waifus”.
Also, your wording makes it sound like it wasn’t just as much, if not more so, a “unique experience” in the first place.
They were.
Fire Emblem was to SRPGS is like Metal Gear to stealth games: they defined their respective genres.
Sheesh! You’re like the Grinch! Does the happiness of others really bother you that much? You obviously love this series and I just feel sorry for you.
Oh yes, FE is without a doubt a wonderful and unique game. The problem is that its uniqueness just wasn’t enough, not after 12 games. It’s as simple as that. Innovation was required to garner a larger fanbase, and I know that sounds like selfish cash grabs, but that’s basically what it is. In the end, it’s all for the sake of money because that keeps their company alive and pays their rents. The plus is that they will keep making FE games. And that brings us back to whether or not that is a good thing, and whether or not we have it in us to accept the changes.
“Waifu Emblem”, at least regarding this mechanic, is nonsense. You aren’t just pairing up the avatar with your favorite girl, but also many other members of the cast among themselves. Actual otaku series don’t have important females who fall in love with the non-insert characters.
This mechanic allows customizable units and more variation among the teams. For an open ended game like Hoshido, if there weren’t an equivalent mechanic replacing this, it’d be pretty much an inferior Awakening, and they hadn’t announced anything to replace it as far as customization goes. It’s harder to guess how well it’ll work in the Nohr side though.
“Pretty much be an inferior Awakening”
With different classes, different story and (supposedly) different characters, on top of some new mechanics and actual balancing of existing ones (*cough* pair-up *cough*), it’s clearly trying to be a different game than Awakening. Really, as an SRPG and a Fire Emblem game, you can’t get a lot worse then Awakening without deliberately not caring.
…Which is what makes it the more frustrating that Awakening mechanics got tacked on to it.
Guys chill. We don’t know how everything will work. IS is experimenting with a lot of things to find a balance and make both veterans and newcomers happy. That’s the point of the two versions thing.
I want to unlock all the characters, but I’m in here for the Fantasy RPG, not for the dating simulator.
That’s why I don’t like future children. It pressures you to marry most of the gen 1 characters in order to get all of the gen 2 characters. I especially don’t want to have to marry my avatar.
I stated that I want all of the characters. That includes the future children.
If there was a way to unlock every character without playing hook-up, I would. But there isn’t.
Also, was the name-calling really necessary? Resorting to that right off the bat does nothing but prove your inability to hold a solid argument.
Then your wasting time because there’s this capture enemy thing and you force them into your army in othe words never ending . also for people who played pokemon or sims it’s fun mechanic and easy to do.
The capture mechanic really doesn’t count, though. They don’t have backstories, distinct personalities, special abilities, or anything else that makes the other FE characters worth it so much. They aren’t really characters, they’re just generic enemy unit #176.
Not really you just didn’t explained It clearly. Go play harvest moon it’s a game of farm life and people love that game ands it’s marriage mechanics. Also watching your kids grow up and leaving you, it’s quiet sad really. 🙁
Is the Avatar able to learn any class from both side? Because I don’t want my main to be class restricted, I want to choose my game for the story, not the classes…
I truly hope they include options for same sex romance this time too. They don’t have to produce a child, or they could have alternate replacement characters for gay couples. Leaving it out twice in a row, especially after Nintendo said they are gonna be more inclusive after the Tomodachi thing, would be really awful.
Even if there weren’t children, the marriage mechanic would have essentially been there anyway. Every single Fire Emblem game with the Support system in it (except for Path of Radiance) has had the compatible characters marry each other at the end of the game when they reached A level of Support.
Still the same. Only opposite genders marry in those endings. Some games act like a continuation to the next Fire Emblem (who are supposed to be the children of the last Fire Emblem characters).
How about you calm down. And stop viewing Fire Emblem as a “Waifu Simulator” sure marrying certain characters together got a very waifu-esque scene, but it doesn’t matter. Fire Emblem is what the player makes it to be. There is no need to hate on a subject or term that has been around since oh, I don’t, Genealogy of the Holy War.
That and the fact that characters in Fire Emblem have been marrying each other and people have been engaged in the whole shipping thing since at least Binding Blade (IIRC, that was the first game with Supports as we currently know them). Not having marriage take place in the middle of the game or not having children wouldn’t have stopped any of the people calling characters their waifu or shipping all of the different characters together.
I just don’t care if people will say the children mechanic is killing the franchise because I care about the characters in general and what they say in the support conversations getting a badass child is just a bonus for me.
Rather have a mixed feeling about the marriage system. As I do like to know my units more in depth by playing through a bunch of supports, it’s basically the fanbase that just ruins it for me. It’s true what they say, “It’s not a Waifu Emblem is you make it one.” But if you keep calling it that, and fans just play it for that reason while that i most talked thing about new Fire Emblem game, then that argument is irrelevant. If it’s a reason why it sold so well and it came back in the next gen then it’s what it exactly looks like.
So you don’t like the marriage system because of the people who like it?
You remind me college when people didn’t like music because it was too mainstream. Your though is equally stupid.
Buy yourself a personnality and start liking things for their own qualities, not for what people will think.
I don’t like the marriage system because people make it act like it’s the sole reason to play Fire emblem, then the devs think it’s okay to lean that way and make more marriage system mechanics to pander and then less content on the mechanics aren’t put in, then I lose faith.
I’m a little more upset about this news than I expected (disclaimer: I’m only modestly irritated). I’m a big fan of Fire Emblem, and that includes Awakening and its unique gameplay features. I’m not offended by the waifu wars or the Outrealms. In this game, I’m not bothered by the hot springs, the face-rubbing, the Awakening clones, or the story implications of these new children. I’m hesitant about this news primarily for gameplay reasons, as well as a personal one.
1) I’m a bit of a completionist and perfectionist. While I liked the eugenics in Awakening, I realized in my later playthroughs that my mind would always linger on the eugenic factors regardless of my pre-established rules for the playthrough. I’d do a no-grinding, no reclassing run, but I’d still agonize over things like “oh no, at this rate Lucina won’t inherit any useful skills! So much lost potential ahhhhh!” It hurts the experience for me. The same goes for how strong the kids are. I’ll have a whole team of Ests (an archetype I love), which makes it hard for me to ignore them. The first gen keeps getting set aside, no matter how strong my convictions are at first. I am sure there are others who can’t shake these thoughts either.
I’ll admit that that’s a matter of self-control, so…
2) I’m a dude and I like dudes. I was gunning for same-sex romance in this game, though I would have survived without it. Also, I LIVE for having a large cast and getting/trying every character possible. I’d say it’s one of the defining reasons I love Fire Emblem. The kids mechanic thus makes for a conflict of interest; it means I have to sacrifice a little part of myself by romancing a woman, or else I lose out on a character that I very much want. Either way, I’m disappointed. I had similar issues with this in Awakening, but I put up with it because I figured it was a one-time deal. This news has re-opened some of those wounds. Even if I have to swallow my pride again, I’m looking at the character list and I’m truly at a loss as to who I’m going to begrudgingly marry. At least in Awakening, I justified marrying Cordelia because in my headcanon, we were just friends who bonded over our mutual unrequited fondness for Chrom. And produced a couple kids along the way (sans intercourse!) because why not. >_>
(and no, don’t bring up the Oboro/Takumi crush in response to that logic)
At any rate, I’m not hating on it, really. I just hope that the fans of this system can recognize that it is far from ideal for everyone. I wouldn’t want this to become a staple of the series if it means they’ll never add same-sex romance. Or even worse, what if same-sex romance locked you out of a character?! I’d rather not think of such horrors…
More for point two, I’m the same way although girl for girls haha. I was -really- looking forward to a chance at being able to marry a woman without having to play as a man (because, quite frankly, you’re stronger than me on that subject. I just couldn’t marry a guy although if I did I probably would have gone for Lon’qu in a very similar fashion. He had gynophobia? Perfect, He can be my purse, I’ll be his beard. 😉 ) I definitely agree though… honestly if it weren’t for Lucina, I would have probably been a single F!MU as opposed to a married M!MU.
Same here ! I wish I was able to romance a girl without having to play as a man … But hey ! We can always hope for extremely ambiguous a-supports, riiiiight ?
Oddly, that Lon’qu idea never occurred to me, even though I used the very same excuse to crush on Guy from Tales of the Abyss!
Also, you reminded me of something that DID occur to me recently. I can only imagine what it would feel like to be a lesbian casually playing Awakening as a confirmed bachelorette, but then “OOPS I GUESS I’M MARRIED TO CHROM NOW.” Yeesh.
Just play as a girl, you can say you’re a trap. This game is not a romance simulator so it really doesn’t matter anyway, I would prefer if they removed this feature all together because half of the support conversations in Awakening are idiotic.
Plus this game is set in the middle ages so same sex romance wasn’t really all that prevalent.
No, I won’t. I mean, I will for the sake of changing things up on later playthroughs, but no. I’m not going to go on a rant or anything, but what you’re saying it pretty offensive in a number of ways. Pray, be cautious…
Also, it does matter in the sense that I need to enter into a heterosexual relationship in order to recruit a character. With a (pseudo) self-insert character, that is. I think it’s quite obvious why some people might be disappointed.
Le sigh* That’s why I always ended up with Anna. She may not be into it, but she seemed like a wife that wouldn’t care if I did some gay antics as long as she could monopolize over it, like selling pictures. Plus…playing on the male version, I always found that there were at least 2 main cast dudes not paired up with any girl. I would honestly rather just put them together than leaving them forever alone.
I kinda knew that Marriage would come back, but I’m happy for confirmation! What surprises me is the returning children mechanic. I wonder how they plan on explaining it this time (hopefully it will make sense with this story and not be another “from the future thing” like Awakening)? Either way, I’m happy (because more characters=more supports, and considering how the support conversations have been in past games, that’s always a good thing :3)
(*Note: Not trying to be rude here, but I’m just making a point*)
I have to ask, why are so many people getting upset about this? I don’t get it. What has changed so much from FE4: GotHW (or just FE7) for it to get so much hate? Other than getting married during the story instead of the end (and having your children fight by your side), what’s the difference? And no, “Waifus” aren’t a good reason since that has pretty much been a thing since 2007/2008 (yes, I actually looked it up and checked) and it goes where ever (in anime, video games, and manga. Pretty much any fictional characters) , whether people want it or not, and if you aren’t into that waifu stuff, it shouldn’t affect you when playing! Plus, it’s optional, so what’s the issue (unless you don’t like the marriage system or something)? If I’m missing something, could someone please let me know because I don’t get it . (again, not trying to be rude, but I just don’t get all the hate this is getting.)
It’s usually the fandom. Although my guess [and half my reason] is because the whole story behind the children came from the future was a mess. At least in FE4 the 1st generation grew old while you use the children.
I was okay with the children coming from the future in Awakening because it was a one time thing and the first time they did it. If they pull it again, then I’ll be a bit upset. I’m hoping for some sort of time skip for this one.
Yeah, they don’t look older at all. And although I wouldn’t be particularly happy with some other “supernatural” explanation for the kids, I just really hope it isn’t another case of time travel.
The main problem I have with the mechanic returning in FE14 is that the game clearly is trying to be something different from Awakening, yet has to be shackled closer to its predecessor by the mechanic.
At no point has FE14 stated it is trying to be different. It’s trying to be better, and right now better means taking the most popular features of the last game, polishing it and adding more features. If something works you do not ditch it so easily.
I’m making inferences from what I saw. Why would they bother trying two different versions, or making a darker, emotional story (hopefully), or greatly diversifying classes, if they weren’t trying to distinguish this game from Awakening?
The mechanic stands at odds with the story they are trying to tell and feels shoehorned in.
I’ll use an example: Halo 4. That game introduced custom equipment loadouts to multiplayer. The game sold great. The core fanbase wasn’t happy, though. Come Halo 5, what does 343 do? Cut them and try to do a unique experience that attracts both sides. If all they cared about was maximizing sales, they would’ve kept them.
First of all, you can’t possibly compare Halo and custom loadouts with FE and its marriage system. One has a solid following, the other has only just clawed its way out of near extinction. Second, Intelligent Systems IS trying to attract both sides. FE Fates looks to have solid gameplay and story (you said so yourself) AND marriage. What’s wrong with trying to have the best of both worlds? And the key word is trying. 343 gambled, so let Intelligent Systems gamble too. It could come out beautifully, we don’t know.
They didn’t say they’re trying to be defferent by mechanics, but by story. They updated the mechanics better for fans of both sides, hell they made to two virsion of the game. Also how do you think video game franchise work?
The thing is, a lot of the FE games have been like this. Look at FE6 and 7. There weren’t many changed made. Like everyone’s been saying, they just took the basis and tried to improve on it. Same with Sacred Stones. It’d be one thing if they were jumping to a new console, but they aren’t. So they make do with what they have.
…Meh
I’m hoping this doesn’t become an emphasized trend with FE games, but as long as IS implements the children’s relevance, maybe they can push the story further in terms of depth.
One thing I really I don’t want are carbon copies (especially from Awakening). The first trailer seriously gave me an impression of an entirely new atmosphere so I’d be really nice is this game maintains its distinctiveness among others.
Let me make this clear: I don’t hate Awakening (in fact I’m playing it right now lol)
Not that I mind the recurrence of children characters; customizable characters add a lot to the game, although they do make it a lot easier. It also makes it easier to get attached to the characters.
That said, it would have been nice if they did it differently instead of twice in a row. Just off the top of my head, there could be a teacher/student system, for example, where certain recruits can be assigned to an older, more experienced member of your army, allowing them to inherit skills and maybe classes from them.
you’re all just hipsters, awakening was good and the marriage system was the best shytt ever, it made me feel more attached to the game. if you don’t wanna get married then don’t, just be lonely, but don’t say the feature is bad.
Btw guys dont forget that their main target is the japanese audience so even if the west dont like the game that just makes more probable if they make other game it will just stay in japan … and thats sad since we only have cars, football and gun games -.-
As a stand alone game and/or a Fire Emblem modern day AU fanfic sort of thing, I could see myself playing this. I think it’s unique enough to stand on its own merits (really all video games should do that… but y’know…) and who knows? It may get me into Shin Megami Tensei… or something.
At least it doesn’t seem to be just another mediocre JRPG with Fire Emblem themed Lovecraftian enemies……. right?
The project clearly has a a great deal thought put into every detail of its theme though, from the music, to the dungeons, to the battle stage and system.
Interested in seeing where these kids really come from.
I have no problems with the marriage and kid system as long as the story doesn’t become stupid because of it (not a fan of shoehorning in time travel and multiple dimensions;Awakening’s way of doing children feels like an afterthought, like most of the game).
It’s one of the few additions to the series that I’m fine with and one of the few things I’m okay with for Fates. Most of the rest of the game might as well just be considered a new IP.
Right now i’m more excited for the spinoff that tries to appeal only to Otakus, Fujoshis and Weeaboos than the new main game in the FE series and it REALLY shouldn’t be that way.
(um kinda off topic sorry ‘~’)
Ok I don’t think I’ve seen a post about this, but I was reviewing the ‘my castle’ video, specifically the part where you are in your room and can chose some to play fire emblem – amie with. In that screen it has some sprites, and some have a ‘heart’ next to them, which i’m pretty sure signifies you can romance and marry them. Three of the sprites have hearts, the first having pink hair, second having green hair, and third having blue hair
the pink haired girl is obviously the maid, Felicita, and the blue haired girl is that aqua/azura girl.
what i found interesting was that the green haired person is Suzukaze, the male ninja that follows you on both paths.
Also, the sprite with the gold and red hair is definitley rinka, but you can’t romance her as the male avatar.
sooo does this mean gay marriage is confirmed for the game? Maybe Suzukaze is bisexual, and can marry both male and female characters? or maybe with rinka you havne’t completed some ‘requirement’ to start romancing her? What do you guys all think?
Ummmm….all I can say is that until further information is revealed, its safe to say the hearts just mean building friendship. Kind of like how the male avatar in awakening would have the heart symbol appear over him and a paired up male unit when their support increased. The heart at this point is used for the universal friendship/bonding symbol. As for why those three had it and not the others….I can probably guess that’s showing those three units are the closest to increasing their support to the nextlevel. I’ll just leave it at that because I sure as hell not going to try and somehow have another Shingeki no Marriage shitstorm happen like what happened in that last post revealing Marriage coming back (Yeah….after all those comments blew up over there I’ve not even bothered to even click that link….at least the starting comments).
Yeah, that makes sense. The hearts could mean the ones you have a close friendship or high relationship with, which is funny cause it looks like he hasn’t been talking with his sister at all XD
we really won’t know anything til the game and the support list comes out… until then it’s all pretty much guesswork :
lol yeah i took a look at that comments page and pretty much clicked right out.
Yes, marriage is confirmed, but the hearts in the “Fire Emblem Amie” aren’t tied to marriage. In a different screenshot, it shows Silas having a heart icon, next to the females. I don’t know what the hearts mean though… Maybe you can only invite that character when the heart is there? Or it shows their relationship is at the highest level?
I doubt gay marriage is in. If there were gay marriage, you’d lock out some of the children characters. Sorry if you swing that way and wanted it to happen. I also thought it might have been possible, but having child characters kind of destroys that idea.
Yeah, that’s what i figured too. Especially if the children are locked to the fathers. Like, there probably is a way to maneuver around all the couples so they all have child, regardless of if they’re gay/straight couples, but that would be way to complicated to implement, I doubt they’d bother.
I’m actually ace, so I don’t swing either way lol. In Awakening I didn’t actually marry off any of the characters (bar Chrom), and honestly I doubt I’m going to do it in Fates either. I guess it’s something I’d more like to see as a concept than actually partake in.
It’s going to be so gut-punching if one of the bosses on either game you have to end up killing (with that character being a character that’s playable on the other path). Then again, it makes for a good game; so bring on the angst!!
Seriously, though, Azura would be the feminine form of Azure, which is the shade of blue that the sky is… Sky=Blue, Water=Blue? And also water is usually blue because it reflects the sky….
I just think there’s more connection between Aqua and Azura than that they both begin and end with A… (though that is relevant… not sayin’ it ain’t….)
The first time I played Awakening I didn’t know what the ranks meant. I was automatically paired off with Chrom.
It wasn’t until the 2nd playthrough I discovered I could pair off everyone else.
So you CAN avoid the marriage system.
I don’t know why everyone is complaining. If it wasn’t for Awakening they wouldn’t be making anymore FE games.
Man, I was planning on going into this spoiler-free, but I kind of also want to find out how both games work separately…..I guess I’ll stay away from the story spoilers at the very least.
Not to sound picky or anything, but would it be possible to make Female Corrin the Avatar picture for the Nohr page? She’s prominently featured as being the “Nohr Avatar,” based on the Cipher and the case cover images, and it would be a good idea to show both canon avatar appearances in the character section. Just a thought.
hmm looking at the child that looks like Tharja, that gives me an idea that there going to use the top 4 popular first generation characters from the first game similar to how there using severa, inigo, and owain in this game….. except maybe they will be 2nd generation characters this time around instead of first generation characters… just a thought though
I hope this means that there are cannon marriages for the characters. Perhaps its unlikely but I think the characters would get some actual better characterization if they all weren’t spread so thin.
I’m more mad about the fact that they pulled the whole “not blood related” crap. I could get being able to marry only your Nohr siblings; after all, Aversa was your adopted sister in Awakening and you could marry her (and get the amazing Shadowgift on Morgan). But then they pull something like “you’re not entirely related to your Hoshido siblings.” Which urges the question “why would I side with them, then?” I get that you weren’t supposed to learn this until later on-but that doesn’t excuse the poor writing. They should have just kept them at A rank and nothing more.
Like, I understand that in some cultures, it’s okay to marry, say, your stepsiblings, and even your cousins. But pulling the “not blood related” card is just poor execution.
Considering the Avatar turns into a dragon and none of the Hoshido siblings do, I think them not being blood related might have been the deal all along.
Honestly, I’m not surprised, and legitimately ecstatic about this possibility. Because naturally once you find out about this, it completely changes Kamui’s perspective of the whole thing. In fact, it could even be that Kamui was purposely manipulated to go back to Hoshido. I mean, its possible that the other siblings don’t know about it (certainly the younger ones do not).
Regardless, I don’t think this has anything to do with the marriage system. Considering Kamui can turn into a dragon and none of the others can… well, Sara Jaye said the exact same thing lol.
Wonder if they are going to change it like how they did for the west, where if you married say Lucina and Owain they would be called life partners or something. Don’t know if they are going to change it somehow, if they do over here, since there are definitely some people who would find it weird if incest was in the game, even though marrying is optional and at the end of the day it’s just a game.
Wait…if the avatar can’t get a A+ Support rank with the same gender…does that mean the avatar can get a S rank with the same gender? EDIT: Wait, looking at the link from that A+, nevermind. 🙁
I kinda wish that they based the child characters on the royals and neutral characters rather than the males in general.
I think that would make it easier to include them in the plot, since it’s all about Loyalty vs Bloodline.
What I didn’t like about Awakening was that the children characters were interesting but didn’t do anything plot relevant, except for Lucina, and she was the only one not optional.
and personally, I would care more about recruitting Felicia’s or Camilla’s kid than I would about Tsubaki’s Cordelia expy daughter. (I liked Cordelia in Awakening and Tsubaki sounds interesting, but I’d prefer someone with a role in the plot.)
Welp, all the characters have been revealed and they look pretty neat for the most part -I can only imagine the supports between Leon and his son-(though the children seem younger this time around….makes it weirder to S-support with them when they look like 12 year olds….or are 12….especially the slightly lewd turn Amie goes once you reach S-support). At this point I just want to know what the heck A+ support means (though the livestream players are being as heterosexual as possible so its going to be a while)
It certainly is a start. Given how disappointed I was about kids seemingly deconfirming same-sex romance, this is a welcome surprise. It seems you won’t get locked out of the children characters either, which is excellent. Though… how are we supposed to believe that we adopted Kanna when his/her design and class specifically reference the Avatar’s bloodline/pointy ears/dragon-shifting powers? Hmm…
Also I can’t say I approve of the extremely limited options being so… iffy. If Shara is anything like Tharja, she’ll be a morally ambiguous stalker, and Zero is already a confirmed sadist. I really just wanted Silas (bi option available on both paths! It could have been so simple!), but instead they chose literally my least favourite guy in the cast. DARN IT.
From the looks of it, not counting Male Kamui, there’s 20 children, and 22 1st gen male playable Characters. So if anything we could of had the option for those 2 other non-child bearing male characters to be choices along-side with Zero. From the looks of it, there’s 23 female 1st gen characters, so they could have made up to 3 options for the girls. Plus, then again, if the child/ren you get through these are adopted, I really don’t see why that couldn’t work with any other choice.
*intelligent rant*
(inb4 people accusing of making everyone gay/bi). All because the option to hook up with any character exists doesn’t mean that all the characters are gay/bi, they’re only the sexuality you choose them to be. In this case, it would be logical to only have one canon gay/bi character as you can only have one S support. So there wouldn’t be any proof of the others sexualities as S-rank is where all the romance happens for the hetero ships, the same goes for the homosexual ships. Hell, looking at translated FeMU and Shara, you really only get the feel of canon lesbianism in the S-support. Everything before that was pure friendship. So I don’t get why people would go “Oh, you can’t put gay marriage as an option because that means everyone in the game is gay!”, that’s not how the game system works people. This isn’t a stab at them only have one choice per each game, as I can live with that. But like Kipper said….both options had to be the psycho-ones.
Precisely what I’ve been thinking. People say making everyone bi isn’t realistic or that it excludes strictly gay/lesbian characters, but couldn’t we easily just look at it as some sort of Schrodinger’s Sexuality situation? Awakening had the CBA supports remain (generally) platonic until BAM, the S support shows up and sometimes even retcons the previous supports to make them romantic in nature.
In a similar vein, during any one playthrough of Fates, the characters could have had no specified sexuality until they got their S support. I’m avoiding spoilers at this point, but it seems something like this is already happening with the F!Kamui/Shara romance, so it’s already being done! As such, I feel like “making everyone bi” isn’t problematic in the slightest. Instead, it would give players lots of options all while preventing the characters from being written with their sexuality as their defining trait.
I don’t think sexuality is something that should be used so loosely as a character trait. I believe that it’s just as important to their character as their values, beliefs, and interests. If a character is made a bisexual because the artists decided that orientation fits how that character was born and/or views the world then fine, that is their artistic vision. However, when a characters sexual orientation is left ambiguous simply because of the what the player may or may not want, it cheapens the character for me.
Say there is a character named Bill, Bill is an easygoing comedic man. Unless of course you don’t appreciate humor in which case you can turn off that trait and he will become a more straightforward and melancholy type of guy. Clearly, this presents a problem with good character design, as who the character exactly is gets put into question. To some people, this analogy is completely irrelevant, they don’t consider sexual orientation to be on the same level as a personality trait such as “funny” or “dour” or “ditsy”, and they are completely entitled to that opinion. For me though, I’d like to know that a character is oriented towards the way he/she perceives the world, not because the player wants them to be something the may or may not have been intended to be.
I was pretty bummed over Silas too; I still think a small choice (albeit two iffy choices and it has to be the more trope-y characters) are better than no choices at all. Maybe in the next FE there will be more homosexual/bisexual characters, especially if all goes well sale and reception-wise.
I feel like the gay/lesbian option should be available for both genders in both versions, but it’s still a good thing that the option exists at all.
It’s not a big change, since it’s only one option each, but, hey, “small actions have ripple effects”
Excuse me but I was wondering if there is any information if North American release will have the same special edition bundle that comes with all three routes/games?
On another note (since I already talked about the main topic enough), looking at the character designs, I’m actually pleased that they’re more diverse this time around than with Awakening. Judging by the livestreams, both paths are indeed different enough to be called separate games. I just hope the discount price goes over here too.
*after the fact*
Holy Crap, I can say for one I am genuinely surprised with how things turned out in the game. Something was revealed about the whole royal family situation thing and I can say it was the last thing that came to my mind about them.
Now we just need to figure out what the A+ supports entail. If they are simply the same sex marriage/coupling options for other characters than the protagonist then I’ll be happy. I’ll be rather upset if they’re all just “best friend” routes.
I don’t see it being anything but “BFFs” – I assume they’ve included this because you could only get the best stat boosts when characters were married, but you would think friends could achieve the same boosts anyways.
I actually prefer if being BFF.
I want same-sex marriage in this game, but I would find weird if every character could turn straight or homo depending on the player wishes.
I prefer the notion of each character having their established sexuality – be it straight, homo or bi (but yeah, I hope the day will come when there will be more than one homossexual unit so you can marry them and no just with the avatar). For this reason, I really hope Zero and Syala are only available for same-sex marriage.
I know the three paths will be awsome and the tactical theme of the game should be the main aspect and it´s getting overshadowed by all the marriage thing, which I do not really apreciate. But unlogically, I like all the characters and their children so much that I do not think that I will have enough files to save and marry all the guyzs… and I am going crazy.
Well, now people can stop complaing about whether or not it’s gonna be separate in the west, because there’s your answer. Good news though for people who wanted same sex marriages I guess.
I actually have a few concerns about how Nintendo is handling this:
1) I’m pretty sure that the west will complain about the fact that the only two same sex options are psychotic
2)literally only two same sex options, one for each game which makes the way its split is even more limiting for character relationships
This is just my personal opinion but i think it would be best to add a few more options into the mix (at least 3 more in each game) so that there is more personality balance with the same sex options instead of literally saying “in all your army there’s like only one gay dude you can choose, everyone else in the world is completely straighter than virions arrow”. Belka is a perfect example of another person that could have been a same sex option. Meanwhile this game has a fuck ton of incest (full on brother sister incest at that), which makes me honestly wonder, why is it that the options for us are that limited?
I was a little upset too that the same-sex options were for the more trope-y characters, but I think this is still better than nothing. If FE: Fates does well, it may spell for more same-sex marriage options in the future. This is just out of curiosity, but why did you think Belka would be a perfect example of another character who could have been a same-sex option?
her defining trait is that she likes strong girls, then again it could just be a case of simply admiring the strength in her fellow ladies in battle. I’m guessing her case is just a matter of perspective? Idk honestly
I thought it was Camilla who likes strong girls–the main reason why Belka is her subordinate. But I see where you’re coming from. Thank you for answering my curiosity! c:
I thought the same as well, until i read and researched a bit more, from my understanding Camilla is possesive of the protagonist (i paid a liiitle too mutch attention to Treehouse and i kinda regret how much Ive spoiled myself with plot related stuff that I should have saved for next year). this summer is really gonna be rough on everyone with all the spoiler circling around, and i plan to avoid them as much as possible 🙂
I just read Male Kamui x Zero’s S-Support….and by god its so precious! I thought it would be pretty dumb considering Zero’s a raging Sadist, but it turned out to be pretty sweet/adorable. Granted, its probably really similar to the hetero S-Support of Zero, but the addition of extra lines consisting sexuality really made it sound all the more realistic.
haha~ just read it, i honestly thought it was gonna be terribly made but it’s so freakin’ adorable! if they transfer it like that when it comes out to the rest of us in 2016, then i take part of what i said back 🙂
It’s good to hear that (and thanks for not spoiling it for me and the other users on this thread; I really appreciate it.) By any chance, have you read the support for the same-sex marriage female character?
Hm… well, consistency isn’t bad? I guess if anything I’m wondering whether or not she’s an exact clone of Tharja’s personality but I guess I’ll just find out next year when the game comes out to NA regions. Thanks though! c:
Not to mention that with the right combination Lucina could marry her nephew, gotta admit not really complaining of the fact that there is incest present, I’m really complaining about the fact that there are only two available same sex S supports while there are six s supports (from what I’ve heard) with blood relatives. Keep in note I can’t really count the Nohr siblings and kids cause they aren’t blood related to the avatar, however its understandable when people get iffy simply because they were raised to love each other like siblings.
How is there no blood relation when Kamui can literally marry Ryoma, Kamui’s biological older brother? If you are talking about the Nohr siblings then you are right but the Hoshido siblings are Kamui’s biological brothers and sisters… ergo they are blood related cause they share the same parents.
That was supposed to be the hidden point, that you’ve been lied to and that you’re really a pawn to both sides (well people are revealing it now so it kind of kills the point for choosing that side). Though I would still advise for people not to directly spoil stuff outside of the forums. Because spoiler tag functions don’t work here.
Oh, then the very last part of my first comment is invalid now, so basically the other children are from a concubine, correct? Few, thanks for informing me, gives me a better perspective on the games situation 😀
Dude, incest is incest whether you’re related to a person by blood or not, since you’re raised to believe those people are your family. Saying that it’s not incest because they’re not really related harms real life people and families who adopt children or are adopted. It’s basically saying “the family that chose you to be their child isn’t really your family” which I’m sure I don’t have to explain why that’s so hurtful and disgusting to say.
well another achievement for LGBT community *clap clap*
i looked for the Fire Emblem if special edition rom in baidu and i realized its size is 1.69 gb, how is it possible to be two times bigger than awakening while both games included have lower size than the previous game? (awakening was 2gb) that worries me
First off the game just reuses tons of assets, if you have one version you have pretty much all the data. I doubt that their is 50 GBs of original content to separate versions.
But both games contain many original maps with their own assets. They both have their own CGI cutscenes (and there are a lot of them). Last I checked the carts were 3 gb each so something’s off about the rom.
Day one buy is totally contingent on my ability to get the special edition. I can buy that, sure got it, good day one I snag it from my pre order. If I can’t fuck it like 100 JRPGS will launch in the same season including SMT X Fire Emblem.
Do we know which cards are in each Starter Set? Since I’m assuming not all Awakening characters are in it’s Starter, and vice-versa. I want to get a deck, and am leaning Marth’s series, but Anna could tip me over into getting the Awakening one.
Kamui’s child Kanna will be adopted for these S supports. I think zero’s child will also be adopted, maybe as a whole or just for his gay S support, too. Syalla is already a child character, so you can’t have an additional child with her anyway.
I’ll wait for the overpriced copy that has all 3 routes on one cartridge (or at least the first two with the third as DLC) for $90.
Or I’ll wait for them all to be on sale so I don’t have to pay for more than $50-60 for all three. I can’t get myself excited for this one though, despite being an FE lover, since this just isn’t a real FE to me. More like a spinoff for casuals and anime fans (I’m also an anime fan, so I still will be getting this).
That same sex marriage is awesome news though!
Oh boy, going through the live feed thread I accidentally came across something. Without spoilers, Lets just say the “choice” aspect goes even farther than just simply choosing your path. Like holy crap, this is actual serious stuff, as in decisions that actually have an outcome on the game (compared to Awakenings pointless “Should I let her live-or-not” option, when Emm still commits suicide either ways). So asides from the….anime additions, don’t worry, this game is just as FE as the rest, hell, even more in some aspects.
That sounds pretty awesome, because the choices Awakening offered were basically just two different endings. (Both endings were pretty happy outcomes anyways. Thanks for not spoiling any details, by the way. c:)
I agree that the art style and the characterizations aren’t like previous FEs, save for FE13, but if anything, the mechanics are still rooted in a turn-based system where you move your units one by one and there’s a weapon triangle to consider. There’s some adjustments of course (the Attack/Guard stance feature, durability removed, stat modifiers on weapons) but FE still has its basic foundations mechanics-wise. (Let’s not forget supports!)
I guess this is just my personal opinion, but as long as FE keeps those core features, it’ll always be a ‘real’ FE to me.
Let’s just say the games for the most part aren’t as optimistic as awakening as. Actually scratch that, there’s a ton of mood whiplash in this game because of the my castle and main story.
The only thing that constitutes anything being a “real” part of any series (whether Fire Emblem or otherwise) is it being set in that particular universe and remaining true to established canon/lore. Like for instance in Fire Emblem’s case, I would argue that it wasn’t really much like Fire Emblem if just anyone was able to pick up Falchion and wield it.
As cool as that would be, if there were skin tone options, who would believe Kamui is related to the Hoshido royal family? For the sake of this story, Kamui has to show believable relation. Of course, hair colors don’t count since FE characters always have whatever color they want.
So? Same sex marriage doesn’t make sense in Feudal/Medieval society (yes i know its an alternate universe) but that didn’t stop them from adding it. I and many other players would be willing to sacrifice practical continuity of the story for more options.
That “So?” is the point. I can understand people saying this about Awakening since Validar’s skin-tone was….(I have no idea what race he goes by) rather interesting. Along with the fact if the avatar went with Basilio or Flavia, Morgan wouldn’t have a different skin-tone. So in those cases, they could of used the directive imagination to actually allow different skin-tones. But Fates is a whole other deal as Kamui’s “True” parents are already set with their race/skin-color. So Kamui being born as a completely different race/skin-color would be a sacrifice on continuity.
You and those others are letting what you want cloud an obvious genetics attempt that’s on par of horrible fan ficition writing. Now if you and other people wanted Kamui to have different skin tones while not changing his race (ala Vaike being majorly tan), then that I can understand. As Kamui doesn’t have to be pale beyond belief as he is right now. I mean its not like he couldn’t get a tan or whatever along the line.
But to completely take away common genetics all because its an alternate-fantasy setting is not good support (for genetics, not lifestyle choices. Because FE always took place in an medieval-era, but never once was it stated that it was “THE” medieval-era we all know. So real-life comparisons can only go so far when history obviously worked differently for them as it does here). Fantasy does not overrule common science. Fantasy can take over science, but not just outright replace the blueprints.
The most obvious support with this I can give is with Pokemon x/y, where they allowed you to choose the race/skin-tone of your character. That’s because only the mother was revealed, so without the father, there was nothing concrete in what race your character was. But Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, you didn’t have that option because both parents for both characters are known.
The only thing I can say is that if they do decide to continue on with the Franchise, that the next game the MU won’t have any, or at least 1, parents revealed, so they can actually have creative freedom with the skin. The only thing I can say is that instead of people complaining, they need to get a big enough force to bring this to the attention of Nintendo’s Eyes. Because do you honestly think Fates would even have the homosexual option if that huge petition (albeit failed one) wasn’t brought to their attention (the Tomodachi Life one). That showed them that enough people were actually ticked off about the forced hetero-relationships that we were being forced upon in video games.
You don’t need to win something to actually win. As SVU usually says, “The real victory is exposing the other person for what they really are to the world.”
With Nintendo saying they want to make a game that reflects the people who play it in a diverse manner, I will say the not inclusion of skin tones goes against what they said (though Fates kind of has a genetic excuse). So either you or someone else needs to use that point and create a petition or whatever and bring that to their attention, but to merely compare one video game minority to another (Japanese Videogames at least), is not the way to go. I would have more concrete points to say but at this point I would just be going on-and-on.
And no one is more right than the others. We all want certain things from the game, so I would just be happy for the people who have the features they want instead making snide remarks that don’t benefit anyone. If you want that feature then make your voice heard the same way the other people did. Nintendo said in the statement that they heard about the request for same sex relationship, so they’re including it in the game.
Separate versions…not a fan of the “But you can get the others for DLC!” option. But I won’t mind too much if I can get a presumed Collector’s Edition. I just want all three versions on one cart, not one system.
[…] a character is. The folks over at Serenes Forest have already compiled the growth rates for all classes and characters , which you need to add together to obtain the full growths for a character in a […]
I’m happy about this even if our gay options are limited. This bodes well for future games, in my opinion.
On another note, I’m finding out some rather grim spoilers. Though considering the source for them is TVTropes I wonder just how true they are. Unless SF or the FE Wiki says something, it’s probably just wild mass guessing on the main pages.
How do we know they’ll become locked at that point? Maybe my Azura, since Kamui will be marrying her for me, will be able to reclass into a Nohr Princess.
Well as the way things are turning out by how different the campaign’s really are, I will take their word that the 3rd path is going to be a lot different (potentially new maps or whatever) .Mad props for Kibayashi’s daughter who essentially motivated him further to work on this project.
Some people managed to download the 3rd path early and a lot of the missions are different, taking place in another country. The story is very different too.
Yeah, BSFE is FE5 according to Nintendo. To be honest, Nintendo remember and forget about BSFE all the time, so the numbering system keeps changing by one.
In the game code, Fates is 15 though (Awakening was 14 and New Mystery was 12 because they didn’t count BSFE then).
I ‘m gonna make a guess of the 3’rd path name from what we know already. My thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but hear me out first. :3 Let’s see…
FE If: Black Kingdom is FE Fates: Conquest since the Nohr like to seek glory.
FE If: White Kingdom is FE Fates: Birthright since the protagonist was born a hoshidian.
I’m guessing that FE If: Invisible Kingdom will be either FE Fates: Eclipse, FE Fates: Twilight, or FE Fates: Chaos (or possibly none of the above, but we’ll see in due time). I think that due to:
1.) It’s a path that you wouldn’t really see at first (it’s kinda hidden or obscure) since you are pressured to choose between the two families/sides. Eclipses are only seen when the earth, sun, and moon are aligned. What does that have to do with this? Think about how eclipses work. Do eclipses happen often? No. Are they easy to see? No (not really anyway). Ok, now think back to your decision. Is the third choice easy to see? No. Would the two sides think you would choose neither side. No. A bit similar, don’t you think? (Hopefully how I said it makes sense!)
2.) Since you didn’t choose either side, you will probably be hit from both sides, which will be chaos!
3.) The 2 versions are kinda giving off a “Light and Dark” side kind of thing. What’s between light and darkness? Twilight!
4.) Maybe, just maybe, you’ll build your own kingdom, and (or just try to) fix the other two. In a way not easily seen by others.
While I try to give a explanation for each one, the first one speaks for each one the most (sorta). Again, my thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but it’s a possibility! I like to think out there, you know what I mean? Now, what do YOU guys think? :3
There’s something of note for European players in this Iwata Asks on the Nintendo UK site.
Any time the interview addresses the games being sold separately there’s a disclaimer footnote that the method of distribution in Europe is NOT finalized and will be announced later this year. So we MAY get lucky and get all three games on one cart!
When two characters marry, each character can reclass to their spouse’s base class (using a Marriage Seal). For example, if a Knight marries a Ninja, they can reclass to a Ninja.
I find this to be an interesting way to get skills…. wait…
Isn’t there a way to steal a streetpassed unit’s skills and give them to your version of the unit? This is suddenly much more interesting to think about.
I was about to say it’s part of Chrom’s armor, and then I remembered that he dosen’t have a armor on his right arm. Hahaha.
I guess it is Lucina, but she looks more like Morgan in this for some reason. Maybe I need a new pair of glasses. Hahaha.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Please for the love of GAWD tell me when can change the voices back to japanese! I have Rosetta for learning japanese but have been lazy and haven’t made it past unit 2 but if this game doesn’t allow voice change i swear i’ll finish rosetta before the game comes out and by myself a japanese 3ds and this game(s ; provided we get 1 version)
Not officially, besides that “there will be some”.
Unofficially (via hacking), there looks to be a similar number as Awakening. The best known ones are a beach DLC and a DLC involving 3 Awakening early-game characters.
It’s great that the sales have done so well for the 1st week. Hopefully it continues to sell really well over in Japan, and when its finally available in the US/EU it sells even better if not around the same.
You can still play Radiant Dawn on the Wii U since its a Wii game. But yeah, PoR definitely needs to come out. Or ecen better, get an HD remake for WiiU like WindWaker.
Well the problem then is getting a hold of the games for non-ridiculous amounts if you don’t already have them. Or, in my case, have to replace a disc. It’s not that I have a problem paying the money but I’d rather give it to Nintendo straight…
Question, in today’s update, it said that Dragonstone+ was a magic weapon, does this mean the damage it does uses the magic stat, not the strength stat, like in awaking?
I have so many questions for that artist.
Why isn’t the cavalier on the left wearing pants?
Aren’t Caeda’s fingers going to get chopped off in that position?
Why aren’t the princesses on their mounts?
Why does Minerva look like she’s walking out to get the paper in the morning?
What on earth is going on with the shape and proportions of Ogma’s sword?
AHHH
Actually, now that I think about it, I think they meant that in the weapon triangle, it is with the tomes and swords, since the dragon stone has a range of one and has always been calculated based on the strength stat.
Would’ve been nice if we had gotten Heroes of Light and Shadow, since it fixed a lot of things wrong with Shadow Dragon. Or at least, it was a more enjoyable play than Shadow Dragon was.
I guess for Shadow Dragon, you can buy the DS cart and play it that way. For The Sacred Stones, it was meant to be exclusive to 3DS Ambassadors, so that’s why it’s not on the 3DS for other people.
Hopefully Path of Radiance is one of the first GC games released. I’m sure that Radiant Dawn will quickly follow; the only reason its not on Wii VC yet is likely because they want Path of Radiance for GC VC first.
I sent an email asking for an English release. They replied by saying, “I plan to publish the English version someday.
However, I think that the very time-consuming.” So let’s keep our fingers crossed.
You should have asked him if he needs help with the translation, I’m sure some of the FE community would help with that for a faster release to the west.
SPOILERS Xander and Ryoma use the power of the dragonstones to become SuperXander and SuperRyoma and defeat Biohazard in the outrealms, but Xander crashes into the earth and is presumed dead.
Camilla finds him years later as an amnesiac and they team up with a golem to find Garon
Gods, I am Sooooooo curious, like what’s the general plot, will you be able to access both hoshido and nohr classes and characters? How will the maps or general game mechanics differ from the two other stories, what is with that crazy landscape in the trailer, is the kingdom really a underground faction or something since the protagonists fell down a cliff to it? TO MANY QUESTIONS!
You will get access to the majority of Hoshido and Nohr’s character, classes and items. Not everything, but nearly everything. The maps appear to be mostly different, with the first map and the latter third of the game taking place in the Invisible Kingdom.
Cool, but now I am slightly worried at what classes will be in the third route so I can plan ahead… Also, it was never really said, but will the Avatar have access to all classes on their respective side like in awaking, or will the avatar be limited in the classes?
The dragons were inter-dimensional explorers and made many Dragon’s Gates: the one on Valor, the little Outrealm Gate south of Ylisse which obviously still functions… I must say those dragons really favoured southern isles to put their gates on… Maybe some sort of longitudinal law that requires the gate being somewhere near a planet’s equator……
I think even the dragons don’t know, like one of those things lost to history… (I would guess Tellius was the first world based on evolution if they are indeed laguz and not lobbed in with the others in that world based on likeness)
Anything not orchestrated bgm games of FE [9/10 below] in orchestra is going to be great huhu
Winds Across the Plains tho. Talk about nostalgia omg
And Life Returns! Are they going to bring the singer/s? I hope they both bring Leanne and Reyson/Rafiel’s singer and have them do duet. Their voices were lovely.
In all fairness (and assuming you’re criticizing what I think you are), the justification I’ve seen for her chestplate being separate is that they were going for a training scene. Then there’s the consideration that she would actually look bustier with it on, and that this kind of cleavage armor would work pretty poorly in reality.
If didn’t know that’s her design with out the armor, besides it’s not like she’s exposing anything, Duh dumbass. P.s. Get your dippy brain out of here.
No, you’re a dumbass for complaining about the armor. Also if social media wasn’t created things like waifu wouldn’t been used so much. Also you fe fans would like the game much better with letting the internet rule your life. Duh dumbass
I really don’t understand what they’re talking about when they say a SRPG dosen’t have Atlus’ “spirit” in it.
Especially because Atlus made not one, but two Shin Megami Tensei SRPG spinoffs. (Majin Tensei and Devil Survivor)
And Devil Survivor 2 actually had a system that was like the Social Links from Persona 3 & 4.
It’s also a shame that most of the Mirages are going to come from Shadow Dragon and Awakening. I don’t have a favorite character from these games. :
Well,since they specifically used the word ‘most’, I will dare to say that at least some of the more famous characters from other games have a decent chance of appearing, like Ike,Lyn and Roy, for example.Awakening and Shadow Dragon are just going to be the majority.
Also.I will not be surprised if Atlus releases a Mirages DLC down the line.They did it for Shadow of the Labyrinth, after all.
While I can’t read the original document, I’m not sure that they intended to imply that being an SRPG meant it wasn’t something Atlus’ can do well, but non-strategy RPGs are surely more in their wheelhouse. Either way, going for an SRPG would draw more direct comparisons to Fire Emblem and Devil Survivor, and if they felt it wasn’t going to stand on its own well enough, it makes sense that they would significantly alter their plans.
And while I get their reasoning, I feel you on the Mirage origins.
It sounds like they were focusing too much on making it a Fire Emblem-like game, rather than something like the Megaten SRPG spin-offs. I’ll take a look at the original text again though.
This kind of sounds similar to Hyrule Warriors. Koei Tecmo wanted to create an Adventure Zelda game like the main series, until Miyamoto urged them not to and stick to what they do best (action games).
This more traditional RPG style is what Atlus does best so it’s nice in my opinion that they’re sticking to their strengths.
I’m glad they’re focusing on FE1 & 14,the Tellius and Elibe games have enough attention as it is. And it’s only fitting that Marth’s world takes the spotloght~
Man, I really wish someone would do an interview with Kaga about the whole FE thing. I want to know if he resents Nintendo because of what happened. I also woul want know what he think of the Post FE5 games.
I really want Kaga’s clear opinion on what he thinks of FE now. I bet starting Vestaria Saga is a sign of maybe he’s sick of what IS has done, but I could be just biased. But where this goes, I’m keen. Still… you can’t replace Marth and Ike.
I don’t think FE4 can be used an example. The art styles between then and now are obvious, FE4 was Japan only so people who played Awakening as their first never heard of FE4 (Probably) realized that this was an easy waifu emblem and the game back then was no anime trope compared to Awakenings.
Or maybe he just wants make games again like back in the day. This guy lived in japan for years and he have seen japan grow try different things besides if social media wasn’t created you wouldn’t be complaining about fire emblem, stop acting like you’re a true fan because let me tell you something you’re not, japan had fire emblem way longer than you and yet they still love it the only reason you even know fire emblem is because you played smash brothers. P.s. If It weren’t for smash, fire emblem wouldn’t came in other words you Americans are nothing more than irrelevance.
Lol. Social media has nothing to do with this. Punctuation needs help and so do you. It’s hilarious that you think you know so much, but you’re just a self insecure, ignorant and arrogant little weeb child who failed at life. You know nothing, you’re just like any other immature person, cause I’m not ‘Americans’ and you didn’t realize that. Nor can you actually realize that FE has sold more in the west the past couple of releases or it would have died if it was Japan only. You never knew I tried to play the first FE, but impossible cause it was Japanese now could you. Stops you having the right to judge. I mean if the Americans are so irreverent than I guess Reggie will take all that money back and Nintendo will have nothing. You’re a genius Delvin. And do you know what makes me a true fan to the series? I hate FE14, but I’m going to buy it anyway ho ho ho. *Drops mic*
1: social media make up words like waifu or weebs.
2: you could have said American not Americans.
3: you reused the same insults for two sentences.
4:not really, games in it’s own country can handle it’s own.
5: there are other countries nintendo can sell their products to.
6: here’s the fun fact you hate the game , but you haven’t played it yet, that’s not a fan that’s just a dumbass thinking.
7: japan had the game longer than you, derpy you’re just a pretender fan like everyone else on this site, you guys are nothing more than faggot posers.
Actually, IS was planning to release Fire Emblem in the West was not because of Smash. It was because of the success of Advance Wars. Marth and Ike were supposed to be removed in the Western release anyway, but NOA decided to leave them in.
You could hack a game, which is the most common way to create a game, but it’s kinda complex. I think there are some tutorials around the net though. There’s a program for RPG Maker XP called FEXP, but the creator of it is creating other engine for Microsoft XNA, called FEXNA, but it wasn’t realeased yet.
Thanks! Does FEXP have a RPG Maker VX Ace counterpart or are they compatible? I’ll have to check out Microsoft XNA. I was wondering would Unity be a good choice but I’m not entirely sure where to start if I did use that
Definitely looking forward to his game more than Fates. Hopefully we’ll get an English translation and hopefully he’ll create his own battle and map sprites, rather than use the stock ones provided by SRPG Studio.
Oh shut up you’re not a real fan japan had fire emblem way longer then you guys, the only reason why you’re playing fire emblem games is because of smash brothers, in others words you and rest of Americans are non-important.
In retrospect, Awakening’s DLC maps were mostly all disappointing wastes of money (I bought them all), so it’s unlikely that whenever I get around to buy this game (once total price for the full game is less than $50, rather than $100) I’ll be buying any of these DLCs.
EDIT: Then again, it seems the first one lets you have an item to promote a female character (why only female?) to Master Lord. I think that’ll be enough for me to at least get the first DLC; no need to do RAM hacking for my ideal MUs like the Rapier-wielding Master Lord I wanted Noire to be in Awakening. The Lodestar item for males seems stupid in comparison though.
(I’m not going to check it out until I get my copy for spoilers ‘n stuff)
The only series that I go crazy and splurge over for DLC is Fire Emblem so I don’t mind the ridiculous DLC… But I’m just incredibly and hopelessly into this series. More sensible people would forgo the DLC.
You know Agian, if don’t like it then what’s the point of talking about it? A dipshit like your self should not be waisting time reusing the same line as always.
Kaga is forbidden from the lips of Nintendo staff. He’s always like his isolation anyways. Since Gunpei Yokoi’s death, whom I believe was his only friend and mediator get what he wanted from Nintendo. After his death, he no longer had his way with the company, and he was under Hirosh Yamauchi, whom didn’t allow anything past him. Also I think Kaga wanted his name as a copyright, Nintendo does not let that slide. It’s a complex situation that I’ve been meaning to explain in a nice biography for these top tier people. I find it funny neither party mentions each other after he left. Even in an interview with Famitsu near the release of Tearring he kind of just acts like nothing happened.
Wow, how anything as limited as that necklace can go through an entire concert of fans, get listed online, and still be there over a day later is beyond me. Not that I’m complaining, since it means I was able to buy one myself, but with only 700 I expected it to sell out within minutes of being listed…
“Fire Emblem Cipher” is a trading card game (played with actual cards), so you can import from Japan. The 3DS home theme codes can only be used on Japanese 3DS systems.
I or no one has anything to show. I’m surprised at this moment there isn’t even a teaser video of the event from Nintendo. In fact, nothing other than the latest game has been published since the concert. If you want my recordings, please ask Vincent for my email, and I’ll send a few. Or all. Sorry for making you my agent Vince…
Okay there were like 2 prompts before the download, I didn’t know what either said and I picked the top option and the right option, were those correct? 😡
If you got to the download screen, you should be OK. I’m assuming the top options were “Sleep Mode Download” and “Complete Download Now”, while the bottom option was “About Sleep Mode Downloads”.
I wasn’t ecstatic about the performance. I did miss most of it, mainly the judgral series arrangement, which I feel is heavily neglected by Nintendo. Without the guide, it was fun trying to guess what track they were arranging. Sacred stones was actually easy, and it I my least favorite, but I’m glad Ikuro picked out the best themes, which was a few. Lyn’s theme winds and plains had a nice long and looping play out.
I would have used my camera, but when I look out into the crowd and not see one device light up in their palms. Now that is a well dignified crowd. Although…. I did record sound. I do have the interview and various arrangements recorded if anyone would like a preview taste of the event. I don’t know how good my phone is and I haven’t listened to them
The thing I like about these DLCs is that they scale higher in difficulty as you beat more chapters. Making you actually work for it and earn the rewards.
Here’s hoping; Thracia 776 was the Anti-Fire Emblem 1, where Leaf’s made out to be a reskinned Marth, except instead of victory after victory, you get captured, retreat, defend, your Jeigan is taken from you early on and left out for 9/10ths of the game, and you don’t resolve the continent’s crisis at the game’s end.
I was not liking the screenshots at first. Kaga really has balls to be using data graphics throughout his career, but he should really move up in polygons a little. Given how un impressed I am with the screenshots, I did like the clichéd gameplay so far. No matter how hard he tries, it feels like Hikari no Tsurugi covered up by new names. I thought he was going to use a different artists but look like same old Hirota to me. And the music is certainly, Tsujiyoko style, though I feel it’s most likely Hirotoh Saitoh’s orchestration. Some of the themes are deeply entranced with the story development. I wanted to mention that both Berwick and Tearring had music similar to Fire Emblem almost to the same arrangement of notes.
Also to make note, Kaga or his staff has made the youtube account on Aug. 6, posted the video four days ago and has 35000 views. I believe that the youtube presence is what spiked his site hits. Strangely and annoyingly, they left no details on the account, and no comments can be placed. This guy is truly erasing his traces. As infuriating as his public habits are, it’s what I love about him.
Couple more things, the back ground art in the discussion scenes are almost exactly like that in Radiant dawn. Even the color scheme is too similar. hmmmm….
And copyrights are to Vesteria Project, although I think Kaga doesn’t want his name on it for exposure.
Um not really these characters are exclusive for the card game, they were created as a card game host like any other spinoff. Also I don’t see any specializing here. Duh dumbass
Just one minor nitpick: please make the Serenes Forest logo in the top left link to the homepage. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried clicking it out of habit from other sites.
Don’t flatter yourself, VincentASM. We can thank FE6 for this site’s existence, but not because you like it, but because FESS was literally made in response to FE6.
If only this game would get the mother 1 and 2 treatment, i wanna play fe6 in english legally soo bad. Also slowly withering away as i wait for fe fates lol.
The problem is that the whole Mother 1 treatment is because Nintendo already had a translated version of Mother 1 ready, a long time ago, but they didn’t release it on the NES due to various reasons that I’ve forgotten. Binding Blade, on the other hand, never had a localization team working on it so there’s no version of the game that’s been officially translated. X’P
They didn’t due to bad marketing. It would be nice if we can finally get an official translation of this game. =)
Mother 1 localized was the best thing to ever happen in a long time in North America. Let it happen with Fire Emblem 6 and Mother 3 now, Reggie!!!!! 😀
Binding Blade is still my favorite. Sure Roy isn’t the greatest lord and compared to later GBA titles even it seems a little primitive and also it sticks close to the FE1 formula… but in the context of playing it as a sequel of FE7, it was awesome… Maybe I’m overstating the game (and some of its characters that I love) but it holds a special place in my heart… I guess.
Considering how FE is known now, they should really try remaking the older games (like 6-8) essentially like the pokemon remakes. Updated graphics, updated character designs, implementing some of the newer mechanics. Heck, if there was a FE8 remake, but with extra chapters in it and characters to make the game longer, I would so be all over that.
That I realize was a failed attempt because the mechanics just weren’t that good. Like why would they make it a thing to have you kill off your own units just to recruit more people? Considering it was the first FE, the plot itself wasn’t grand. But the GBA’s actually picked up the slack. To this day FE7’s story is probably one of the best for me (also they made some side characters still relevant throughout the story). Plus it wouldn’t hurt to have the Awakening/Fates crowd to experience the older titles and realize that awakening wasn’t the first FE. Bringing back MU to an FE 7 remake would make sense among anything.
It’s implied Robin IS the tactician from FE7 so that wouldn’t make particular sense in my mind. Plus, 12 was more successful than 11 but was never released outside of Japan, and had many new Gaiden chapters you can access without killing off your units, introduced MU, and had a much better and fleshed out plot featuring MU and a subplot revolving around a new character. In fact, literally every “new” concept from awakening except the pair up was in 12 in some form, so 12 is responsible in many ways for the modern series, I do not see any more remakes happening at least for a good 10 years or so
The mechanics of some people being scared of perma death. Fire Emblem 11 was the treatment to it. Since they don’t give you enough promotional items to befit a team unless you connect to Wi-fi which is gone now, (So codes is the only way that you can get them now.) you have to use about 12-13 units each playthough which that is what you’d normally use per Fire Emblem playthrough. It’s actually unknown as to why that it didn’t get localized when it actually sold well in NA. http://www.vgchartz.com/game/25700/fire-emblem-shadow-dragon/
(Sales)
If you count remakes as the original games, then that makes this the last game in the series I hadn’t played aside from Fates. I’ve been slowly picking up the Japanese games through VC and also got New Mystery a few years ago in Japan. I absolutely love the GBA FE games and while I’d kind of want a remake, I like the style that is used for them so I wouldn’t really want to see it changed.
Here goes my hope of seeing it make an appearance on the US/EUR Virtual Console. Since it wasn’t released I assumed that they were working on doing so. Oh well we still have the translation 😛
Also Vincent, it’s also my first FE game that made me fall in love with the series too. 🙂
If they do end up making some DLC based off of these results….I hope they exclude the royal siblings for the cutscenes. They all already had their chance in their version of the Summer Scramble. So that would put top favorite none royal siblings (except Azura) to be:
Males: Joker and Odin
Females: Azura and Oboro
Now I just need to know who their favorite kids were
The special edition looks cool. Obviously we won’t get anything in Europe, but at least we may have a physical copy release, some day between January and Half-Life 3´s release.
They need to hurry up, Wii U is collecting dust right now.
As the game is unrated in that image, I doubt that they’re putting the cart before the horse. They’d obviously want to make sure of the game’s rating before packaging it with that rating.
“don’t worry because the standalone “Fortissimo Edition” has all the meat anyway.” So… The standalone “Fortissimo Edition” also includes the 6 character lyric cards, 2 original sticket sheets,and 3 “support quest” download codes?
[…] she’ll join in a free DLC map like “Encounter with Awakening” or even an “Apotheosis“-style final DLC map (last time, Anna was the final DLC boss after […]
[…] she’ll join in a free DLC map like “Encounter with Awakening” or even an “Apotheosis“-style final DLC map (last time, Anna was the final DLC boss after […]
FIRE EMBLEM IF will be coming sooner than expected next year!
Additional good news: it will be receiving a Mature rating, so there shouldn’t be too many changes coming from the Japanese version.
Some were worried that Nintendo of America would completely whitewash the game. The “good news” bit was directed towards that audience. Personally, I wouldn’t have minded either way, as I’m fine with anything as long as the core gameplay value remains. Im fine with changes made to the game… All but that gay-ass skinship one.
…And here I received an email about the second wave of DLC maps, which are hard and based of hard maps in other games… not to mention probably recruiting Anna + ballistician + Witch. All paid of course, though.
…However, you can choose to receive either 1 ballistician class change item or 1 witch class change item for FREE starting October 1.
Hey Elieson there’s some fire emblem news you haven’t posted yet, like fire emblem if got the new dlc wave announced with certain character finally being obtainable and the 4 stages that first batch of dlc will contain and new job classes. Then just recently , chrom and lucina got announced for project x zone 2.
The Ballistician class really reminded me of Valkyria Chronicles. Never care for the first Project X Zone game, but now that second one has Fire Emblem characters, I might just end up picking a copy up
honestly the anna dlc is upsetting, i never complained about the awakening dlc because none of it was really required to the main game but as i heard, you see anna’s shadow figure in the supports? that’s lame having to buy her just to have all the actual support characters, that aside i’d get all the dlc nonetheless 😛 and it’d be beyond amazing if with all this news lately, we finally get confirmation of the NA and EU release dates hopefully being either january or february cause i can’t wait much longer
though if they went on to add dlc characters that was supportable like with awakening’s spot pass dlc as money dlc, i personally wouldn’t mind that since that’d just be a bonus treat imo.
I have a question. When the games do finally come out will these two waves of DLC be available from the beginning or would we have to wait for them? ( if a third wave pops up before the release of the western version my question includes that too. ) I am asking because i got awakening a year after it’s initial release with all the DLC already available for purchase.
Intelligent Systems……you knew how many people liked Anna and how many wanted her back in Fates, you crafty, lovable, sons of dragons! ……Although, if I have to pay for the DLC to get Anna, I’m still gonna buy it…darn it…I like Anna too much…oh well. :3
??? It looks exactly like the artwork to me. Certainly it looks more like Gradivus than Gungnir, at any rate. Just take it from a guy who spent 1100+ hours with Awakening; that’s Gradivus for sure.
I’m not exactly sure what it is, but something about Fates Anna is remarkably cute. She was pretty before, but something about this one is just plain adorable. Perhaps it’s the head tilt.
Honestly, no. This is more based on the character’s personality and how B.A. they are as a unit and not on their looks (Besides, only so many people can vote based on their hormones). Although, if Camilla’s and Chalotte’s personalities are more appealing than their looks, than yes, it would be a bit shocking.
(Note:If you weren’t implying that, sorry.)
My implication was “because tits”. Although from the little bit of information I’ve seen about them. Camilla’s basically the over-protective big sister, and Charlotte’s a gold digger.
I voted for Silas(Cyrus) and Anna(I have a soft spot for her)! After seeing a few chapters of If (or Fates) Silas seems like a pretty cool guy! Anna is a no-brainier for me since I really like her from Awakening! :3
Hmm, I’m gonna need to vote every day to vote for all my favorites. FE has lots of great characters. My two favorites are Takumi and Leo. And I like Camilla and Hinoka for the females. I guess I like the middle siblings, I am one myself.
I’m looking forward to this game, but I really wish we had some characters from Tellius and Fates showing up in it. Also, I am so sick of Tharja, I wish she was never in anything ever
Voted for Inigo on the male side since he’s one of the very few characters I gave a care about in Awakening, but not sure who to choose on the female side. Might choose Severa, but I wish that dragon fish girl was a choice.
I really like Atlus and their games are great but I really wish their idea for a crossover wasn’t putting the two most popular games in japan in a genre they’re not usually in and calling it a day.
This is awesome! 😀
Kaga doing this out of celebration of the Fire Emblem 20th anniversary tells us that they are trying to make this series a bigger success than before. Especially with all of the bigger fanservice that FE14 provides. The waifu’s and husbando’s will continue to grow alot more when the game comes out in the west. Hope that this game Vestaria Saga gets successful soon!
Eh, looks like a placeholder date to be honest. They do that all the time with pre-orders with no set date yet. Whoever does the web listing probably just selected the last day of the calender. That said I do hope they announce the date soon. I’m having waifu withdrawls…
One of us brave souls should volunteer our services to translate this to English… (If I didn’t have my own projects to do… and a lack of knowledge of the Japanese language, I’d do it)
So sad and heart breaking… This is why I Ship Olivia with Henry. The kid is creepy and mental, yes. But he truly loves Olivia and is a good father. Henry is the only one that could give Inigo such a cheerful smile.
Damn I’m really excited for this. Character art is looking really pretty. Even if he doesn’t plan on commercializing the game, it’d be nice if he released an artbook. I…need to get started learning Japanese. Hopefully I will understand just enough to be able to play through this game next summer, even if I need to look up words every now and then. It’ll be a great way to wait for Fates to drop in price for it’s full version.
Finally, after waiting in anticipation for a release date after it’s release in Japan, we get a release date that is pretty close. Definitely getting the bundle.
Awesome! 😀
We finally have a confirmed date. But…most stores have already sold out of the Special Edition packs. Keep your eyes peeled and hope that more come soon.
Anyone know where I can preorder it in canada? (the special edition) Been searching sites and only found the separate games for preorder, and nothing on the special edition…..
If any of you are still looking to preorder the special edition at this point, It is still available at game stop however you have to preorder it in-store, hope this helps 🙂
Don’t get carried away. For a time America was being the last to receive good treatment and even been skipped over in favor of a European market. I remember IGN writing a nice article about this which I should look up.
Still on sale at EB Games Australia. Currently selling for $199 AUD for a placeholder price. Meaning, they dont have a price for it, but needed one to fill the blank space until then. I managed to nab a pre-order during the first hour it went up, for $99 AUD. For those that like tin foil hats, $199 and $99 are in Australian dollars. $99 AUD is $141 USD and $199 is double that. Again, placeholder prices.
Awww man! I was waiting the whole Nintendo Direct for new SMT X FE info (and possibly an English name) and only Japan got it! Well, at least this site is around to give me the info I may miss because I wouldn’t have known about this news otherwise! Thank God for Binding Blade! ;3
Glad they started to show what the game is actually about, combat-wise at least, since most of the stuff that’s been shown has been the whole idol thing.
I’m not all for free work, but Kaga has made an excellent point. This priceless creation is filled with his soul, something that I’m sure has hampered his creativity for his earlier work and the entire industry. All creative fields and humanity can learn from this. I would only like to give one message to Kaga-sensei. Slow your roll. Take your time with it. I don’t want any rush or push, as I sense he is putting some tension for his new twin babies. As to the cut scenes which are exciting. I would hope he would allow someone, like me, to make some video adaptation of his story.
Best Buy Canada’s Gamer’s Club tweeted a reply tho ‘check back tomorrow for Twilight Princess and Fire Emblem SE’ so here’s hoping it’s coming soon to BB Canada!
I just recently noticed something! The japanese version of this game is exactly the same except that it has a holographic card of Marth in it, being replaced by the pouch in this one. Does that mean that Nintendo or Intelligent Systems has no plans on releasing the Fire Emblem Trading Card Game?
I think the “Feria” in Nurse Feria should be Ferrier, as in to ferry, carrying people or things from one place to another. At least it makes more sense to me that way.
Why everyone’s sprites are different? Are they made from different artists? They should have gone with just one artist, well, of course, I shouldn’t be so critical, but it feels weird to play a game done by multiple artists! I like the design of the main character BTW!
Again, being this a project of free time and devotion, I doubt any one person will be giving a majority. He is reusing a lot of his own material already. Of course, anyone would like to devote their lives to this wonderful living creature as I would. It’s better to have a variety of sprite. I’m sick of the fire emblem generic sprites for all same classes. Every character should have a unique look, feel, growth, and animation. Although, I would say that his character artworks, assuming its Ms. Hirota-san, are looking flat. She needs to spike up her designs. Like Kotaru Yamada or FE4 designs.
Hey Vincent, Agro here. Do you think Savant might actually be Servant? I also think Sweet Bird might be Suite Bard? Given the character uses magic, it wouldn’t surprise me that the class is a Bard (Kaga seems to think all bards are magical). I can’t remember how FE writes Bard, though.
Hey, thanks for the suggestions. It could be “Servant” indeed; it’s hard to tell from the lack of context as I’m sure you’re well aware. Yeah, “Bard” is written like that in the FE games; “Sweet Bird” was just the most common phrase I found from searching the whole thing together.
Not sure if its a Japanese to English translation, but the “literal” japanese names for Chrom’s classes are マスターロード ＝ ”Master Lord” and オーバーロード ＝ ”Overlord.” I don’t know if its always been that way in Japan and just localized as “Great Lord” and “Conqueror” outside of japan, so if its that has always been the case then that’s all cool.
I know it’s hard to deal, just need to keep an eye out to it! You’re lucky, because you still have a chance of getting one, not like me, because I don’t live in USA!
It’s not that simple, I live in Venezuela and right now with no dollars because I went there last august! Actually, what I bought was a nintendo 3ds with fire emblem awakening as my sole game!
I recommend calling your local GS stores and see if they have them since they keep ones for stores to put preorders on, from what an employee told me. That’s how I got mine, called and then went in.
“They also received a Fire Emblem If version of the New 3DS XL, which includes custom cover plates and a 16GB microSD card.”
Isn’t it a new 3DS not XL?
“One last neat feature is that communicating with each amiibo unit and choosing to not engage in battle with them allows you to receive a gift in the form of a promotional item used to promote to their particular class.”
So its actually possible to get those special classes? Is that true and do we have proof?
i am not angry but why do people keep doing this ?? forget the main chars and give the others some spotlight of course everyone likes the the royal brothers and the main char this is just kinda sad D: if the votes were without them the results would have been
Male: 1.JOKER,2.ZERO,3.ODIN
Female:1.OBORO,2.FLORA,3.CHARLOTTE
its an opinion …
sad because i think that some chars get forgotten because of the royals and since the royals shine so much in the story people tend to like them even more so some chars are at disadvantage 🙂
Well, that’s probably the case. But I’m sure once the game hits the west, people will have the chance to get to know the characters including the non-royals.
I see the northern part is somewhat cut off according to the trees, but the player and enemy sides are caught in the corners suggesting its a complete map. If this is the true map size, then it may take 5 hours like he says with the enemies trick moves and changing objectives.
I’m surprised Takumi was the #3 male character. I thought he was the most hated character (judging from what I’ve seen online #BlameTakumi). I know nothing about Takumi though, so please don’t post spoilers.
Also, I’m pretty sure “BLAME TAKUMI” is more of an English-speaking meme from the streams. In the general survey a while back, a lot of respondents talked about liking Takumi also, so I don’t think Japanese players have anything against him as a character. (I know the poll was technically open, but it was on the jp website.)
351 pages and I probably can’t read a shred of it. I can’t wait for the fanslators to graciously share their translations with us (You included, Vincent!)
Reviews are in and honestly i can’t believe more than 90% of the book is Awakening/Fates content. Why bother with Sigurd on the front cover and advertise it as a “25th anniversary series book” then intelligent systems…
There’s no doubt there will be few to no infos about Jugdral since Yokoi died and Shozou Kaga went doing his own business. It’ll just be FE’s story after the 1999 shift.
I am still interested to see how they managed to screw up Binding Blade so badly though, so I may take a look at it when the translation will be available. I love how they are proud of Awakening’s story even with the fact that it was pathetically written.
I agree. There’s probably no way of talking about Kaga games without Kaga himself… Considering also it’s pretty old and the old staff probably moved on anyway.
Yeah, that’s right. Every character that appears in this game has been surgically removed from the main Fire Emblem series, forever tainted and never to be seen the same way again. Just like how Link now has to wear a scarf in every Zelda game after Hyrule Warriors. Because that’s how spin-offs work. Dirty, rotten third party developers.
I was under the impression there wouldn’t be any characters from games other than Archanea and Awakening. Even if there were, Jugdral would probably be the last choice.
I just noticed the main character’s face in his artwork…my god, he looks stoned…hell, looking at the menu sceen, some of the other characters looks like they have been up way too long.
It would be really wishful thinking to say that Fire Emblem doesn’t use a formula… tweaked here and there but the idea of a teenaged guy who stands to inherit some land (more often or not a prince… even Ike was probably going to inherit Griel’s fort) being the main character (or, in a stunning modification, only one or two of the main characters!) is basically what makes Fire Emblem’s spine. At a basic level, Ike, Roy, Ephraim, et al are very near interchangeable (it’s only with development that these characters were breathed any individuality).
It’s part of what makes Fire Emblem Fire Emblem, I suppose (though what *really* makes it are the secondary or tertiary characters that you’re not supposed to care about in other games of the genre)….
Fire emblem is like pokemon, the formula remains the same but we don’t want it to change. They do a great job innovating the game without changing it completely like some other games did.
Damn, a big shame. It sounds like it would have been good. I’d kill to play another Akeneia era game, but he dropped it and IntelSys, then basically had war with Nintendo by trying to continue the Akeneia Saga.. And I bet FE64 would look good between GBA and the GC/Wii era, graphic wise.
The name reuse reminds me of the development of Sacred Stones, when characters had their roles changed, and discarded early designs were reused for other characters in the final game.
It seems to me that when Sakurai says Ike doesn’t have ranged attacks, he’s talking about not including them in Ike’s Smash Bros kit for game balance. He’s comparing it to how Robin doesn’t initially have access to Dark Magic, the point being that the fighters aren’t perfect representations of their actual abilities.
Sakurai seems to like Fire Emblem quite a bit. If he was interested and Intelligent Systems was willing, I’d love to see what he could do with the series after the wonders he’s done with Kirby and especially Kid Icarus.
Personally, if he ever got to direct one like he’s done in the past, I wouldn’t surprised if he took a silly approach with Fire Emblem like he did with Kid Icarus. Then again, I think I would look forward to that.
I am very happy that Corrin’s in Smas Bros. 4. By the way, including DLC, the number of fire emblem characters in Smash Bros 4 is greater than that of Legend of Zelda characters in Smash!
Fire Emblem has totally deserved this in my opinion! It’s amazing how far it’s come, from 2 reps in Melee and Brawl, shooting right up to 6 fighters, 3 stages between the two games (Hopefully 4 because I really hope Corrin gets a new 3ds stage! X3), Lots of awesome music, trophies and even Mii outfits! All this Emblem love makes me so happy!
Seeing Corrin’s reveal trailer yesterday got me super excited. I thought that it would awesome for him/her to be in Smash but knew Fates/If got released months after Smash 4 came out and wasn’t popular enough to be a fighter, ballot or not. So glad that Corrin isn’t a (semi-)clone too! He/she is very unique compared to the other Fire Emblem protagonists.
Uh-huh. I think this discussion thread is the only place where I haven’t seen lots of people frothing in sheer anger. That said, I can see where they’re coming from.
Right now, Fire Emblem does have a disproportionately high number of characters and in the eyes of some, many of them are very similar. I think it wouldn’t be so bad if Ike, Lucina and Roy weren’t around, since one’s a clone and the other two are kind of past their prime.
In any case, I’m happy myself and hopefully the haters will get used to things : )
But Marth is the oldest one, he should be past his prime more than anyone else.. If anything, just having Lucina and Robin would’ve been fine with “Marth” as an alt skin, lol. I say that since of the 6 (8 really), 3(5) are characters from recent games. That said, you can have all of them in fates as partners as well. Best thing would’ve been to keep Marth, keep Lucina as a reskin like she was supposed to be (bowser jr ie), add Robin, and add someone from fates that doesn’t would a wield a sword like Aqua since she’s basically the Lucina of FE fates.
Marth is awesome. He is a veteran, he is the 1st Lord in the series, and he is the incarnation of grace and elegance. He will stay till’ Smash 2099 because of his sheer awesomeness. I may prefer Leif and Celice as FE Lords, but I got to say that he is superb, both in gameplay and design.
Never said he wasn’t, I only play Princess Marth and Future Marth when I’m serious. But he said past their prime, when no one even heard of him or fire emblem (myself included) until melee. I glad that fire emblem takes up so many character slots, it’s a great series. Just wish that they added a spear wielder like a sexy new dancer.
It’s great to see another FE character in Smash, but, while Corin makes the most sense, I’d much rather have seen a legacy character included. It’s just that there aren’t any really standout character, as far as popularity outside the series fans, or some character that could be a unique smash character, as all the sword characters are the best known ones. I will admit, Corin does look quite fun to play as.
I had hoped for one of the villains. The Black Knight, Nergal, Ashnard, Lyon, they would have been different enough from anything else and are very well known.
Oh yeah. Completely forgot about the villains. The Black Knight would have been awesome, if they hadn’t already had a mii outfit for him. They just seem to like the lords. Too bad FE8’s not quite popular enough, as I’d love to see Ephraim join the fight with his lances and all.
That’d be better to have a FE4/5 character. Everyone forgot about Jugdral even though Seisen no Keifu was a bestseller (#2 best selling FE in Japan if I am not mistaken). Leif/Celice duo would be so great
I would totally play a Fire Emblem fighting game! It would be cool if it was in the style of Soul Caliber too! Or a Fire Emblem game in the style of Hyrule Warriors!
I can’t say I’m displeased, but even I can tell the number of Fire Emblem characters is too damn high. That said, the real bloat comes from Marth’s clone (who, to be fair, took very little effort to include) and semi-clone; if Corrin were #4 or 5, it’d be less jarring.
Despite the complaints about “sword characters”, Corrin hits on one of the few novel sword fighting styles left: someone who only uses a sword for part of their moveset rather than most of it. Now we just need dual swords and an iaijutsu master…
By the way, regarding the palette swaps of Corrin, does anyone have any idea what characters (if any in particular) the alternate colours are supposed to resemble?
Ugh, the filthy Ylissean DLCs strike back… Why are devs taliking about them even before the game is being released? More cash grabbing moves. Nintendo sure does follows the trends when it comes to money and questionable DLC practices.
And STILL no Jugdrali character.
Thank you GameXplain! :3
I gonna say, Wymslayers never seemed so deadly until now! Also, LOVE Aqua’s singing! Although, considering how important it seems from all the trailers we’ve seen, it should be! …I’m really happy we get the main theme song of Fates in Smash 4 (kinda wanted a stage too though…oh well)!
Also, Genei Ibun Roku #FE……more US info needed(and an English name)……NOW!
Well actually, people who data mined the game saw that there were 3 stages left! One’s Midgar, The other is Umbra Clocktower, and then we have one more left! So I think there’s gonna be a stage for the 3DS version only!
Oh yeah, I forgot there were 3 stage slots! Thanks for reminding me! I wonder what it could be?! (Maybe Something related to stuff that comes out in February or something we don’t expect…who knows):3
Well, the fact that Fates and Corrin in Smash are both in February, I do have a feeling it could be a new Fire Emblem stage for the 3DS version! Then there will be 2 FE stages in both versions! It could also just be a retuning stage, but my idea is more exciting! XD
If it’s a FE stage, perhaps it’ll be Castle Siege? I mean, that particular stage would fit both Ike (since from a standpoint it’s his home field) and Corrin (because of the very first teaser trailer taking place in an area that very much resembled that particular stage). SmashWiki also has a potrait of Castle Ostia, so this could also be Roy’s home field as well.
Alternatively, they could have Arena Ferox for the new guys (Lucina/Robin/Corrin) and Castle Siege for the veterans (Marth/Roy/Ike).
Yeah! I think Rena did a nice job on Aqua great work on her part. 🙂 I like the voices thus far, unsure who most of them are but looking forward to it nevertheless.
Oh gods, now I’m even more worried about the English dub for Fates. It’s okay from what many of us have seen thus far. To me, Ryoma, Xander, and Sakura sounded better in that cutscene in the Smash broadcast, while Elise doesn’t sound as obnoxious in the actual in-game cutscene. Strange. There are some that I like, Hinoka and Azura, and some that I’m not sure how to feel about yet, Takumi and Kaze. I’ll most likely stay with the English dub to see how everyone else in the game sounds, but I really hope there are some good young-sounding voice alternatives for the male avatar. That laugh had me cringing a little.
Yeah, I kinda wish that Sakura had a voice that made her sound younger, like in the Japanese version, because it just doesn’t suit her design. Other than that, Elise, Hinoka and Azura I think sound great, and Kaze is supposed to sound very polite to contrast his brother so I have no issues there, and I just can’t make up my mind about the others yet. I’m a bit scared to hear what Pieri’s English voice will sound like though!
Elie you’re doing a great job but maybe cut out any opinion/personal stuff like “we’ve been anxiously waiting” or “still exciting”? A lot of people don’t feel either way and a lot of people probably also aren’t fans of the whole spoil-everything-about-the-game-before-it-comes-out-West deal either (though to some extent that can’t be helped haha).
Just saying, whether you take my suggestion on professionalism is up to you.
Wow! I got the Japanese book because I thought they’d never bother releasing an English version… well, now I’ll have both! XD (Still, I really need to just learn Japanese…)
Meh, I’ll wait for Amazon to drop the price to around the $20 range. Wasn’t very fond of the art designs in this game, but I haven’t bought an FE art book since the Akaneia Memorial in 2010 so this is probably a decent opportunity if its cheap enough.
Meh, Hector would’ve been far better, but they need Advertisement in there so that they promote Fates. The whole dragon transformation thing for fighting is rather cool though.
Honestly I’d rather they named him just ‘Nil’ instead of Niles. Nil may remind FE fans of Nils, but Niles definitely reminds me of the brother from Frasier. Not exactly someone similar to Zero. Zero’s voice sounds very good for his character though, although we still haven’t heard it clearly yet, his tone struck me as extremely ‘him’.
Malig Knight is really bad though. I get it’s supposed to be a pun, but it’s not even a good one, and Malig looks really weird on it’s own. So far people have been making a lot of other suggestions, including calling the class “Revenant” or “Reven Knight”, and I really hope someone at Nintendo sees them because they’re miles better than Malig Knight. Even something like Undead Knight. Other than that the changed/altered names/classes look totally fine. I especially like Effie’s name, it’s a small change but very cute :3
Well written article! Really is interesting how FE was close to becoming a whole different thing. Guess the remakes did something good by keeping the games what they are.
I actually feel a bit sad that we couldn’t get another view on what Fire Emblem games could have become. The strategy games are fun (and I still play them a lot), but the game mechanics (weapon triangle and durability) would’ve been delightful to see on a “traditional” rpg setting. Granted, the battle mechanics would have to be tweaked for that to truly work, but still…
Apart from that, I believe that being able to play a Fire Emblem title “native”to the Wii U would enable a more organic experience, like the difference I experimented after playing The Sacred Stones and then Path of Radiance. I know the Wii graphical power had its share of making an impression (and just think how cool the spells and skills would look when cast/activated on the Wii U), but I’m thinking here of taking the DS and 3DS experiences to a whole new level.
It’d be cool if another FE console game came out, but I’m happy that at least the current handhelds are powerful enough to compete with the GC/Wii as well as having voice acting. I bought Path of Radiance new when it first came out, so it’s a shame it sold poorly and we may never get an HD FE.
Thinking of that, and Nintendo’s recent trend of remaking Zelda games in HD, we may have some hope of seeing PoR and/or RD remade in HD for the Wii U. Or at least a a Virtual Console version. Those two games really deserve it! (Keeping fingers crossed)
Now they’re cosplay advertising? You never did this with previous Fire Emblem games! You never did this with Eirika, Ike, Leif, Caeda and the most sexy and important of all, Marth. You know what I’m done. Forget it.
It’s all about timing. This is only the 2nd time Fire Emblem has been a Comiket and Fates is the most recent game to be released. Also, I think that’s a booth staff, not a cosplayer.
And of course there will be no music from Jugdral. I may be bitching a lot about the absence of Jugdrali stuff but it is the 25th birthday of the series for naga’s sake! They should be celebrating the whole series, and not only the trendy stuff. This is disrespectful to the people who worked on FE4 and 5 like Gunpei Yokoi and Shozou Kaga, and of course a big dissapointment.
The layout from the map is giving me FE4 feels…
“it’s extremely unlikely Ilyana and Stefan decided to abandon Tellius at any point in time.”
Well Stefan was a wanderer at heart and Ilyana would go to any lengths for a meal, I wouldn’t put it past them. Well, weren’t the other continents flooded? Unless the waters resided, I doubt they’d leave (well they wouldn’t really leave even if they did, no food there). But yeah, I know they’re probably placeholders anyways.
But, this was for Wii, what do they mean soaring development costs? It’s not like they were developing the game for a powerful and modern console.
Really sad this never came out; it would’ve been rather cool. Also sad that the Tellius series sold so badly and is the reason why we have the “crap” we have now. I mean, FE11-14 are still pretty fun in an NES-early SNES+Mobile Gaming type of way, but the Tellius games were pretty much the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay (disregarding some things like crap support system in RD). Considering that FE now HAS to cater to the mass audience crowd in order to be profitable, it’ll never be able to reach that high point ever again. Especially since development costs for Nintendo really will start rising once they start using more modern hardware for their next generation devices.
Sigh, oh well. It’s regrettable, but the games they release are still fun in their own way.
For someone who loves Fire Emblem so much (possibly my favorite video game series of all time), I’ve been very happy with all the Fire Emblem love (and [good] attention) this year! Fire Emblem Fates (Special Edition, please and thank you… :3) , Genei Ibun Roku #FE (I’m hyped for the game, it looks fun…just need to save up for a Wii U first…), Super Smash Bros DLC (welcoming Corrin with open-arms) , the list goes on. This year has been fun, hopefully 2016 will be even more so! (…And I’ll be able to start collecting Fire Emblem stuff now that I FINALLY got my 1’st Job!)
Also, 25 years of Fire Emblem is pretty amazing! Let’s go for 25 more!
People stopped complaining about the casualization because we’re tired of complaining. This is what they want to do with the series and we have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to accept it and move on. If you can deal with it then keep playing and if not, there are plenty of other SRPG series with good gameplay out there.
Anyway, next stop for the series is to have a multi-platform release with iOS and Android along with their next handheld. At this point, a mobile Fire Emblem game makes too much sense for them not to release one.
Unfortunately FE was quite unique in it’s execution, and my personal opinion is that turning FE into a more generic JRPG is worse for the series. I already discussed this with some other guy, but people can go elsewhere for JRPG’s with friendship solves world poverty and shitty gameplay. As you said there are other SRPG’s, but all of them have grinding. FE was the only one I could play as a roguelike, and it was one of the defining features of the series for me. So now that I lost that, where the fuck do I go to play something like FE if no one makes games like FE? But you know, I’m just an old fan of the series that’s willing to buy the game on name alone, I’m not the target audience. :^)
“Shitty gameplay”
If there’s one thing that’s actually received praise (and quite a bit of it), it’s FE14’s gameplay. Heck, that’s pretty much the whole reason I’m getting it
Then respect to you. All I see are waifufags who are sullying the good name of FE, but eh, I guess there are two sides of everything.
Although I was mainly referring to Awakening since I haven’t played Fates yet, it’s very difficult to pinpoint the depth of a strategy game through videos alone.
I can’t wait for the Nintendo Direct for the new year! Especially if it shows off some more voices~ Also excited about the possibility of a demo to tide us over till the release 🙂 Can’t wait to see what the New Year will bring us! 😀
Oh, and another cool (if not unexpected) fact: IGN included FE Fates in their 42 Big Games of 2016 video 🙂
This is really cool! FE is, of course, a strategy title first and foremost, but I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Intelligent Systems experiment with other genres from time-to-time.
“While you wince at the new names that you’ll have to get used to”
That seems like a surprisingly negative thing to put in, especially after you put both fanbases’ reactions to SMTXFE as “hmm-ing”. Really, most people seem to ambivalent or generally approve of the names; there are only a few who are extremely vocal in their dislike.
In general, I see author bias and misrepresentation; the arguments about FE Amie were concerning player pandering and selling out to *Otakus*, not casuals. And just because something’s optional doesn’t mean it is non-existent; it still effects the game when looking at things as a whole.
Sorry, the remark about the new names wasn’t meant to be anything serious. For the most part, I tried to keep the retrospective lighthearted, with a few tongue-in-cheek comments.
Huh, not sure I agree about your second paragraph. The stuff about being optional and selling out to casuals is referring to Phoenix Mode. Then when I talk about FE Amie, I even mention it’s very existence is important.
yeah, I wasn’t a fan of those comments either, haha. I think articles like these are better off sticking entirely to the facts, personally. no offense, Vincent.
For instance, the comment “Even though it was a completely optional setting that most fans probably wouldn’t even touch” indicates a strong opinion from the author that since a setting is optional, it shouldn’t be criticized. Ultimately it’s up to the author how they write their articles, but I’m not a fan of that.
(In this case, I happen to think that in general, a feature being ‘optional’ is no excuse whatsoever for the quality of the feature or the impact on the game and is pretty much just a cop-out to avoid criticism, but I also think that Phoenix Mode really isn’t worth getting upset over because the impact to the game is extremely minimal… ultimately though, that’s a different matter: I’d rather just not potentially piss off anyone by having any kind of opinion in such an article, haha.)
I don’t want a Fire Emblem on a home console as much as I want a Fire Emblem with strong traditional RPG influences. The ability to explore cities and routes in a world as rich and fantastical as FE would be amazing. There have been quite a few large-scale medieval RPGs, however we’ve never really seen what Nintendo’s take on it would be with their heavier emphasis on magic and less graphic violence.
This year started with many promising news for Fire Emblem, but it pretty much ended up in utter dissapointment at the end of the year.
It’s sad what IS is turning the franchise into and it’s even sadder that many old fans lose hope, while most new ones still have a wrong picture of the series.
Lol yeah, seems like the older fans have pretty much lost hope. I’m kind of too deep in to just quit myself, but I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy FE the way I did (or even close to it) ever again, haha. I think the series will probably just continue to be mediocre for me, and there’s not much I can do there, so I’m just going to move on with it. Now that I know where the series is going and have mostly come to terms with it, I’m done being bitter or the like: it’s time for people to either accept it or move on, I think.
(I still think a lot of the issues could have been resolved if Nintendo/IS just renamed the series to something else/made it a spin-off instead of part of the main series, but eh, whatcha gonna do. Fates being a spin-off would have helped older fans come to terms with it while letting it do its own thing–waifus and all–without as much backlash but rather a lot of the flexibility of a new IP, like the Persona spin-off/sub-series that eventually turned into its own thing.)
I’m still not willing to give the series up. It used to be so great, so seeing it turned into pervert heaven is horrible, but..
you know.. maybe they’ll get back on track again? It’d be a huge shame if they didn’t.
By the way, I really like the idea of them renaming the series in future titles, in case they continue making the games how they’re now. Seems like a win-win to me.
I wouldn’t say that I’m mad at new-fans of the series but moreover just agitated. Granted they can’t really play the previous games unless they shell out some money, but at the very least they need to somehow experience how the games were beforehand. Hell, that’s why I said a reboot of one of the previous GBA titles would do some good, but in a more modern fashion (FE7 would still be the perfect choice for this). Because I’m honestly thinking how they can top a new FE game to have more features than Fates does. The only thing I can think of is literally make your avatar speeches VN-style and give them choices of dialogue, which impact the way the story goes to a good degree (and I don’t mean just change conversations slightly, I mean actually have your decisions impact the story). But I guess as they say for the newer fans that are all “Waifu-this Husbando-that”, ignorance is bliss.
That being said, the older fans need to chill. At this point you’re all just going to be weeded out of the target audience even further because clearly you’re not being catered to. FE has to evolve in order to continue to survive. If Awakening and Fates were similar to a T to what the GBA and other games were….than a whole lot of people wouldn’t have played it. “But they’re ruining FE names~!!!” -_- Well they’re not so much ruining but just being annoying about it. If anything its cringe worthy when people don’t know who Hector is and base their prior-knowledge of FE on Smash. But that’s them and honestly if new fans bother you so much then the solution is just to not go on anything comment-based about Fire Emblem. Hell, I would say just quit the series in-of itself if you have so many issues with it.
Moral of this story, it’s weird being a long-time fan that doesn’t really have anything against current FE. Hell, its still one of my favorite series and it’ll take some drastic shit for me to not like it anymore.
Old People: Take the sticks out of your butts
New People: There’s more to FE than SMASH and Awakening
I dont think it’s weird. I’m a long time fan and I love everything they’ve done so far ‘cept maybe a few nitpicks here and there. Judging by how fast the SE of fates sold I’d say most fans are cool too. Complaints will always just seem more vocal on the internet though since 1. it’s the Internet… 2. it gives people with a bone to pick a small (if false) sense of control and 3. there’s not much to scream about if you’re cool with things already.
The most important thing is to just vote with your wallet. In our free market society that’s ultimately what companies listen to. Hell it’s ultimately what saved this series. What other people think of the series should have little impact on your own enjoyment.
voting with your wallet is a super flawed if not stupid concept IMO, because you don’t get to decide what you vote for: it’s completely up to the interpretation of the companies. not buying Fates, for instance, might just come off as “you don’t want more FE”–it doesn’t say “I want FE, but not this kind of FE”. likewise, buying it doesn’t necessarily say “I am just supporting this in hopes of the next games being better”, it will probably be interpreted as “I am buying this because I want more”. not sure you can call it “voting” when you don’t even get to say what you’re voting for.
Well it’s unfortunate but guess what, you are the consumer. You are not the one working 12 hours a day for a year or two to make virtual entertainment for a bunch of random dudes with disposable income to enjoy or whine about. If you want something a bit different then the best thing you can do is try and offer feedback to the company, and see if enough people want the same thing to react. If you feel something is really really wrong then just don’t offer that company your credit for their product. Hell I thought the latest Battlefront looked real rubbish so I just chose not reward EA for it. I can understand if others want to though, I just won’t be a part of it.
If you want something that matches your exact specific tastes however, then sorry, you either have to wait until you luck out and something exact comes along or make your own exact game. I actually respect both options. But that’s how this world works. You either like something enough that you work or pay for it or you don’t. No one in this world owes you your dream game. In this instant gratification world it seems like everyone feels entitled to one, but nothing in this world is that easy.
.
Personally, I’m not really against the current Fire Emblem (minus a few nit-picks). All I care about is that while they (as in Intelligent Systems) may want to evolve the series, they just need to make sure that they don’t make Fire Emblem lose it’s true identity. As long as the core aspects that make up Fire Emblem don’t change, I’ll be fine with it.
That water dragon would’ve been awesome to defeat… I suppose I’m a little angry that they didn’t use the DS remake to try and finally implement their original ideas (and give the characters support conversations… and less ghost-like mugshots… and personality… *ahem*).
I find it interesting how Greco-Roman a lot of the character designs in this first version of Shad Dragon were. (Could anybody care to explain why Marth went into a warzone… with no pants on? I’ve seen Pegasus Knights better protected… in fact Caeda *is* better protected here!) In this way, it fits in with the chronology of Arkaneia/Ylisse. If FE1 happened in the equivalent of 500BC than FE13 happened around 1500, which looks about right for both game’s original designs.
Dang, Radiant Dawn remains my favorite Fire Emblem game (other than the lack of support convos). As much as I like the handheld games, I was hoping for more console FE games similar to Radiant Dawn.
Looking at the old class concepts, the center middle row class is definitely called トレーナー “Trainer”, and was probably a predecessor of the Wyvern Rider/Dracoknight class line.
Middle left really looks to me like the class is called バツグル “BATSUGURU” from close examination. That might still be wrong, though, and even if it was right I don’t actually know what that means. The class design itself kinda reminds me of a mixture between a Dread Fighter and a Barbarian/Brigand. Interestingly, it appears to be wielding clubs, which only just recently made it into the series as an actual usable weapon type. Even considering that, the clubs this class is dual-wielding look far cruder and more barbaric than the kanabo that are used in Fates.
It took me a while to figure out the one on the middle right. It looks like it could either be ルナハン “Runahan” (a real surname apparently), or, more likely, ルカイン “RUKAIN”, in which case I don’t know what the correct translation would be.
As an aside, the drawing here combined with what the kana looks like really makes me think that this particular concept art is of a single specific character, rather than a general class as the rest seem to be. The character design really reminds me a lot of Zephiel, too… I can’t help but wonder if they could possibly have reused a character design from that far back when Binding Blade’s development came around.
These are just my (probably bad) attempts at reading these, though. If anyone who knows better (and/or who has any idea what
バツグル or ルカイン might be intended to be) wants to make corrections, I’d welcome the clarity!
hello. I’m trying to get onto the chat in the forums can i had a question regarding FE4. it won’t let me connect and I’ve tried connecting a few times which i believe it shows up in chat. it kicked me out. is there some kind of alternative chat like a chatango site? thank you
…It’s Cipher 0 art badges.
I can make out the previously stated Elincia, but the rest I’m not so sure on (and don’t feel like comparing them with card art to find out).
You should still receive them. The only way to know for sure is to look up your order info and on the order info page it will list the charge for the game and under that on next line it will have the key chains. I ordered the day of the nintendo direct and mine shows the key chains in the order.
Both games are listed on the site as having the keychains as a bonus. I tried pre-ordering only Birthright, and they’re even listed on the order confirmation alongside the game. The phrasing on that image appears to be a mistake (unless it’s the site that’s faulty).
I’m honestly hoping for more DLC classes in the game – even if no more are coded in currently or at all, or even like a Fire Emblem series of Amiibo that detail the protagonists and antagonists, aside from the dragon bosses, though that would be cool too. Just an entire wave of units that you could train in Fates, but most of all, I want a Chrom based off of the one in Genei Ibun Roku #FE, like a Chrom Amiibo, and he has a special class that’s similar to the Dread Fighter of Awakening, and Great Lord. Imagine it, a class for Chrom that mixes his actually pretty good Magic Stat (48 w/ Limit Breaker in Awakening as a Dread Fighter), but also utilizes Swords and Lances.
Using Homebrew (specifically HANS), you can mod games you own, without needing to resort to piracy. While I would recommend the official English version, everyone’s entitled to their own choice.
You don’t need to pirate to import, HANS is a very effective system I’ve used to play hacks of ORAS.
With that said, I highly doubt NoA would be dumb enough to censor too much outside toning down the amie dialogue a bit. they got too much hell from censoring Tharja’s butt to try that again
I would’ve imported Fates since my 3ds has homebrew and Hans, but I heard you need to be below a particular version of your system and needed Ninjahax for something… It’s to technical for me. :/
At first was theorizing that it might be to allow the west to gain access to cipher units, but since I kept reading and saw that some skills are currently unobtainable, it does seem likely there will be more DLC. odd that they waited this long though
If you look carefully, you can notice there’s also french text on the boxart ( “Jeux Fire Emblem Fates vendus séparément.”, “édition Fire Emblem Fates” with a capital “é”, and another one on the bottom left of the box )
Looks like they’re planning to release it in Europe too, but I’ve already got a MH4U n3DS XL and the packaging is vertical, not horizontal.
But my japanese n3DS Fire Emblem if has the horizontal packaging too, so it’s weird… Maybe it’s the way Nintendo do them now?
I really hope it get released here ! I’ll buy it on the spot with the Special Edition… [Credit Card intensifies]
My money went to the special edition that became available for presale today in my local store, so im not getting that console lol…still….the design needs more work in my opinion, too plain
Despite my reservations against Awakening, I bought all the DLC essentially doubling the price for the entire game. The DLC was…pretty ridiculously crappy now that I think about it, but oh well. I don’t think I’ll be wasting money on shoddily thrown together DLC this time, especially since I’m already paying so much to get the full version of the game on one cart (the LE).
Thanks for translating the Japanese version’s text! I was curious about that.
I agree be was probably an NPC or something of the like. It does say that the roster lists “story characters”, not ” playable characters” or “units”, so that may be a leftover from when Hubba was on there.
Who’d ever though that he’d be going Gotoh.
*laughs*
Though Anna has been around much longer, she doesn’t do any fortune telling when she’d be a real potent one for her longer experience around the universe.
In regards to the skinship censorship, err on the side of caution when reporting on it; the direct quote from Nintendo has no proper context, and could be Kotaku misinterpreting or misrepresenting what was said… both things that Kotaku is very frequently known to do.
It looks like Nintendo has started sending responses to those who asked about it, and it is out. Here’s a screenshot of the message I received this morning: http://postimg.org/image/6u2m77dwr/
Well people have found previous videos with the treehouse that has a ! above it, which indicated that the skinship cool down had expired. so either A: they removed it recently B: it was replaced with a new feature, or far more likely, C: Kotaku lying for clicks… again.
How odd, his class is listed 妖狐 (youko) (in Famitsu anyway, II’ll have to check the game again, but I assume they’re right) which is just another way to refer to Fox Spirit. Wondering where Youkai came from. xD
EDIT: Checked his profile too! It’s also 妖狐 (youko), so will inform Vincent. : )
Then remove the percentage that doesn’t keep up with minor details like these (probably a whole lot; over 50%).
Then remove the percentage that isn’t actually bothered by this news.
Then remove the percentage that isn’t bothered enough and dogmatic enough to boycott the game on mere principle.
Then compare that remaining population to the potential population that would be lost due to the negative publicity of these features and/or the hassle of potentially receiving an M rating.
It’s unfortunate to see something get outright removed, but regardless of anyone’s personal preference, the reasoning checks out. It’s just a pity that it had to happen in this…political climate. It’s getting to the point where the kind of routine localization changes nobody paid attention to 3 years ago are going to be blown out of proportion just so people can keep getting mad.
I am against censorship, and I am greatly disappointed to see the removal of a feature with potentially no replacement. but my wish to play the game outweighs my disappointment. I’ll still get the game, but as of recent years I’ve been less and less of a fan of Nintendo.
A lot of these things I’m… ok? with? I’ll still say Tsubaki just because I end up naturally saying tsu when I’m saying a japanese anyway… but Saizo without a U just looks really dumb to me. Ryouma to Ryoma and stuff like that I can live with. I can even live with rinkah getting an extra H. But Saizo by itself looks… short. Cut off almost.
The only other thing that bothers me is the fact that Kaden is on the hoshido side, so it makes sense for him to have a japanese looking name. The name Kaden… isn’t.
I liked the name eastern heart over camaraderie because it sounds better and more hoshidan to me (also probably because I couldn’t spell camaraderie without looking at it, which is not normal for me), but I’m not too bitter about it.
So sad about the Skinship feature… I really hope there’s still hope and that they will “”just”” change some dialogues in it and stuff but not remove it completely. It really would be unfair !
Im not going to lie, seeing the removal of the skinship feature is kind of saddening.. Im not so mad that the skinship feature itself might be removed but my thing is, like is there no way they can just censor the dialogue? To me I see no reason why a whole feature should be terminated but I mean hey that’s just my opinion…. It sort of just feels like were getting “part’ of the game…. Plus RIP me trying to train my mind to say the english names instead of the Japanese ones ;_;
Apparently murder,incest,corruption,suicide etc are ok for this game; but rubbing the face of animated characters is where NOA draws the line.
Honestly don’t even care about the amie thing, but to cut even content like that from the game is ridiculous. Why should we get a watered down version of a game.
The optional meme is done dude. It’s even proven, in text above, that it’s used to get the better weaponry and items. It’s not really optional when you play harder difficulties.
Censorship is one thing. But I’m talking about the optional argument. It’s been done to death and it’s like saying, because one game is made up of optional content, you then can’t judge it as a whole.
If the content is not optional and thus integral then cutting it would be an even worse offense, since I am now objectively paying for an incomplete game.
If the content was optional (which from what I’ve seen of the plays, it seems to be since there’s many ways of obtaining items and supports) then it remains just a rather inane censoring of a minor silly feature.
If it’s such an offence then why is IS taking this so lightly. Why was it removed if it’s so insulting, but IS said “Ok, you can remove that content”? That’s localization. What does IS have to say about this?
I’m not sure you know. While I understand where you’re coming from (and I respect your view to original creators), do you know why the petting was added? Because, Awakening created an accident fanbase all about the waifu’s and etc. and IS got a lot of money because of it. Why do you think petting was put in the first place, for money, not respect or moral art. This is the gaming industry. Did you seriously think petting would be put in and everything would go hunky dory?
“You took out my petting, I’m insulted.” Really? … … Really? Aren’t we grown men?
You’re putting words in my mouth. I do not care for the petting itself that much personally, but that has little to do with the issue I was addressing. I was addressing your claim that the petting minigame was not optional. If that were the case, then that would be a serious issue. That means you cannot complete that game without it and NoA just sold you an incomplete game. Thankfully that does not seem to be the case.
Maybe you meant to say that the minigame was consequential. Something can be both optional and consequential at the same time. They are two different spectrums.
The petting minigame is both. There are tangible rewards and benefit to it (items, support points) thus consequential. But you do not NEED to use it to beat the game (you can grind, use My Castle etc.) thus optional.
On the flipside, something can be mandatory or integral and inconsequential at the same time. Like a cut scene for example. Ok sure you can skip it, but you have to at least go by it before completing the game, thus mandatory. But you do not usually gain any rewards or benefits from it, thus inconsequential.
You’re right. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to put it that way.
Consequential? Idk, maybe. This feature only gives you rare items and support bonuses, but whether they’re optional or not, it can’t be said as an excuse. Sometimes, optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not, whether you miss out on anything or otherwise.
True, it’s not needed to beat the game, but it bleeds into other core aspect of the game. Here it’s the support. It’s there to either be used or not to be used for your ‘run’, and whether you use it or not will determine if everything will go smoothly and easily or just outrageously hard. It’s outbalanced. Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.
“I’m playing Nohr on the hardest difficulty, I can’t grind, I can’t beat it.”
“Have you tried the face touching feature?”
“Yeah, about that…”
If you don’t use it, you’re being penalized for having taste, gameplay wise and game time wise.
See now you’re just contradicting yourself for the sake of argument.
“optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not.” “Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.”
So is it or is it not optional? And the second quote is patently false. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to maximize every stat and feature imaginable. That is your prerogative. The definition of an option is something you do not need to complete something else but can if you choose. Difficulty is irrelevant. And even if it was, I’ve seen videos of Nohr playthroughs that “run smoothly” without having to touch anyones face, so I dont know where you get that “smooth with/impossible without” dichotomy from.
Look I get that you think it is an important feature. That is a perfectly fine opinion to have. But you can’t claim that “optional is a meme” to support your claims. That is just flat false, and hurts your position more than helps.
You missed my point by nitpicking not all of my full sentence. Good optional is something you can decide on that doesn’t effect the games entirly. Nothing dramatic changed and can easily be ignored.
Borderlands has so many guns, their optional. If your not happy with the guns you find and your happy with the ones you’re using, it’s okay, cause you can manipulate this optional for better optional mechanic. Sell the guns for money.
Bad optional content is when it’s obviously optional, but really… you end up needing it.
I’m going to assume you played Awakening, Lunatic+, Classic mode. I’m sure you know this was claimed as a bitch. You’re forced to use everything optional. Marriage Supports, Grinding, etc. They’re even back in fates, optional, and yet now bleeded into core aspects of the game, which means anyone who plays this game is going to use them, either they like or not.
Now I don’t care if you’ve seen ‘runs’ of Nohr. Because you still haven’t played it. You can’t say it’s easy until you can have the experience, which means I’m not listening to your opinion. Especially when people have said it is hard and that it’s difficulty ramps up to almost Tharcia 779, one of the hardest of FE games.
The reason why it’s a meme is because it’s used to deflect arguments, instead of using it as a positive.
I’m curious if you’ve played this game yet yourself if you’re so quick to dismiss someone else for their lack of hands-on experience. I never made any claims of ‘easiness’ either, I only said I’ve seen it done without much issue without using the minigame. See you keep making claims like it’s ‘never optional’ or ‘anyone who plays’ has to use the function. What about the vast majority of the people who don’t do Lunatic+ runs? Can they not finish the game without it? And if it’s such a necessity why was it cut? That means no one can finish the game without it now.
I get that you don’t like the petting minigame, I’m not huge on it myself, but you can’t just deflect the argument yourself that it was an optional feature by just saying it’s a ‘meme’. You can argue that it’s ‘good or bad’ optional, that’s a valid opinion, but you can’t just outright say it’s not an option.
Once again, I don’t need Nintendo of America deciding whats in my localized version of the game. If I don’t want it I wont use it. Nintendo should have no say in cutting out content for certain countries. Thats what we call censorship. Being a “grown man” has nothing to do with them cutting it. In fact its because I’m a grown man that I don’t need them to cherrypick shit out for my “benefit”, if its good enough for Japan its good enough for the rest of the world, to say otherwise is wrong especially since I’m the consumer, giving MY money. Its wrong and nothing you say is gonna change our minds about it.
Nothing will change your minds? That’s actually a good strong belief. But, you people can say “Pre-order cancelled, not getting it anymore.” Your loss. Hey, I didn’t want the petting feature to begin with and thought I wasn’t getting my money’s worth, yet I’m still waiting for release. Now people get thrown on to the same people who didn’t have much content whether it was there or not, and complain there isn’t enough content for their purchase. Welcome to the real world.
You know you can be staunchly opposed to censorship and still look forward to the game right? Like I didn’t care about petting that much in the first place, so I will still purchase and enjoy the game. But the fact that Nintendo of America still seems to see it’s consumers as puritanical children who need to be protected from other cultures is kind of a worrying trend that should be discussed. I don’t think you can just say ‘well I didn’t like a cut feature, so who cares.’ That sets a precedent that consumers will just take whatever changes a publisher makes without a second thought.
Wow the world is so black and white to you. You think any a complaint is large enough to not still buy it in your eyes it would seem. But I will tell you at some point if this censorship goes beyond my tolerance I will simply not buy Fire Emblems Anymore. As it stands I don’t give a flying fuck about petting, and am opposed to its cut on principle. As for that SJW bullshit in regards to one Support Conversation I am opposed to personally. It being removed because some retards mistranslated and misinterpreted the conversation and NOA editing it for that group pisses me off. Let them not buy the game if they are so opposed and leave the rest of us have the intact product.
Really Franchezco you need to stop caring what I’m complaining about because they are legitimate concerns and because YOU think the argument is tired doesn’t matter one bit into anyone’s mind except your own. News flash you can’t judge a whole without its optional parts. Is that clear enough for you? Thats what started this and now your arguing for the sake of argument.
I agree, that the whole localization matter can be taken to far. I mean, really… Fatal Frame. Digital Copy only… real stupid.
But just because something is optional, it’s above critique? That’s what you think?
You buy a burger with a side of fries, and the fries are burnt and disgusting, but it’s okay, their optional, I can’t judge the fast food store for making my food bad when I payed for it and expect quality.
Thankfully they got rid of Pokemon petting. Content or not, it is not an idea that translates well outside of Japan, and if this game wants to be taken seriously then it made a step in the right direction.
Pre-ordered the game because of the skinship with them waifus ._. now that it is possible it will be taken out, I’m still gonna get it for the S supports. XD
Okay, so Vocaloid can get away with letting the player pet the Vocaloids in Project Diva F and Project Diva F 2nd in the west, but Fire Emblem can’t? Maybe Nintendo of North America is more uptight about these sorts of things than the North American branch of Sony or even Sega for that matter. I’m not really mad that it’s been removed, just kind of baffled since another Teen rated game already did something rather similar in the west…
Also I’m gonna take anything Kotaku says with a grain of salt. Scratch that, an entire salt mine. A very salty salt mine. I’ll need all that salt if it ends up true.
Little things. You have to remember FE:A brought a lot of newer fans, especially those not versed in Japanese name pronunciations. The idea I think is that long time fans wont care so long as they get a translation and newcomers don’t care at all.
For the iteration that doubled down on the creepy waifu/husbando stuff it sort of makes no sense that they may remove those features…then again Kotaku
Also were those name changes really necessary? And where’s my EU release date >.<
That’s it Nintendo. I’m done. I’ll remember the good times we had, but until you start put the customer first again. I’m done. First Fatal Frame and now this? They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
I’ve made it through a LOT of Fire Emblem games without ever having to rub anyone’s face, so I think I’ll be just fine. For all the added relationship stuff, Fire Emblem is still a turn-based battle strategy game for me, and I’d rather all supports be handled during combat: proximity, teaming up, sacrificing an attack to hold a conversation, etc. Face rubbing just seems like lazy development to me.
Precisely. The direction the series is taking is quite detestable imo. Sadly, seeing how successful Awakening was to non-FE fans, I fear the waifus, shitty FFTA grinding and overpriced DLC are here to stay.
Well, I’m not quite at “detestable.” What I love about FE is largely still intact (battle system and story/characters). I also felt the DLC in Awakening was well worth it, so we’ll see if I feel the same after Fates. My fear with things like face rubbing and amiibo support and training castles is that they’ll muddy the core mechanics and start to interfere with the experience as a whole. I guess it’s a risk we have to take in order to maintain the widespread appeal necessary to keep the series running.
I’d rather not start an argument here since we do agree somewhat on a few things, but I could argue for days how the battle system and characters in Awakening are far inferior to that of the previous entries in the series. However… Eh, screw it, it’s not like I have anything better to do lol.
Awakening is a decent game, but is frankly one of the worst the series has to offer. The actual strategy component of the game is extremely lackluster as the map and unit diversity is at an all time low. You barely need to think about what you’re doing unless you’re playing the horribly imbalanced Lunatic or Lunatic+ difficulties, and those are just there to toss absurd numbers at you. Rushdown strategies can win literally any battle in Awakening with no repercussions, something that was never possible in the earlier games because you would always miss out on a unit or item and possibly lose units because the map structure favors the enemy.
It’s open fields and empty castles all the way to the end of Awakening. This alone rips most of the strategy out of the game.
That said, I DO respect that other people enjoy the game. I understand that some people just want a fun game to play once in a while, but I am way more hardcore about Fire Emblem than most people. That’s the reason I was severely disappointed in Awakening and what Fates is building on.
You’re right about lackluster maps. I attributed the relative ease to the ability to level up characters well beyond the enemy (I finished the final battle in three turns!), but the maps were less inspired than in the past. Perhaps it’s the combo of those two–along with all the DLC–that made Awakening the first Fire Emblem game I had no desire to play through more than once. Of course, that’s kind of the point of DLC…to give you something more to do than a New Game +.
I get why they want to remove the drugging scene, but Tharja was hexing people against their will all the time and no one cared. (And I really think it’s beyond ridiculous to think of the support chain as conversion therapy.)
SJWs taking everything out of hand as usual. Converting what good they could doing by targeting the those of us who don’t want every little thing censored.
Rep Quote from the Kotaku Article:
“Yes, that is the case [that petting isn’t in the English version]. You might have heaerd somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.”
Yeah, that’s kinda vague with no context. Sounded like he was asked if you’ll be cutting inappropriate stuff like petting people in the english version, and was like “Sure, but you were never really inappropriately ‘petting’ people jn the first place.”
My best guess is maybe you’ll just get the Live3D portrait cutscene with limited or without the touch screen aspect. It would be really baffling to me to cut wholesale models from the data just for the few people sensitive to it. I’ve seen stranger though I guess.
And yeah
>Gawker Media website
>any shred of credibility or integrity
While possibly just a generic statement due to being someone way lower on the ladder, it brings up the question of, if Nintendo isn’t being public about it, why would they tell Kotaku? and why was only Kotaku told?
Well from the looks of the actual quote itself, it seems like the writer asked his source specifically if features like touching faces were cut, to which he gave an answer that was basically “Yes, but your question was flawed.”
The bigger question now remains how reliable the source is, and what the context of the question was since only a vague answer was provided.
Though I am disappointed with the American localization stripping a lot of the original features such as Skinship, in the end we have to remember that Fire Emblem is a turned-based strategy game as it always has been, with things such as these being an extra flair to encourage a larger demographic into the series. But despite all that, in my point of view, there is a tremendous leap into “open-mindedness” with these localization with this game sorta pioneering it or at least following the trend. Like same-sex marriage seems to still an option, as well as incestual themes. Something not a lot of games like to cover due to the potential of a controversy, which we have seen Fates faced.
Regarding Soleil, i’m quite interested on how her supports are going to go. I originally planned to S-support her a while back, and i’m even more interested to see what changes they made with her. With hopes they didn’t completely butcher it.
I agree with the Soleil decision; gay conversion debate aside, I just think it’s a good idea to remove a conversation that shows her being essentially “drugged” by Corrin. (side note: She should have been bisexual, dammit. I wanted to romance her.)
As for the petting, I’m a little disappointed about it being removed, if true. It helped build up supports in Nohr route. D:
“Laslow and Benny” sounds like the name of another bad children’s cartoon. But it’s impossible for me to hear the name Benny without thinking of Benny Hill, so that’ll make for some unintentional comedy.
I think Benny is actually a pretty cute name, and I was very worried about what they’d rename him so I’m glad to see it was something like this. Laslow…I got nothing xp
Actually, I think him being named Benoit might fit his character pretty well 😉 When I first read it, I thought “Maybe his name is Benoit still, he just tells everyong to call him Benny because he thinks it makes him look less intimidating” which seems like a thing Benoit would do x3 I actually wondered why they changed it, but appearently Benoit is also the last name of a wrestler who killed his family. In that case I think it’s fair it was changed, and Benny isn’t too bad.
Hey guys, so in case there is any doubt at all, I can confirm skinship is out. I just got this from Nintendo:
“Hello,
The Nintendo of America versions of Fire Emblem: Fates (Conquest, Birthright, and Revelation) have been changed to not include the ability to touch various body parts to improve the relationships between the player and in-game characters. When we localize a game, we do so in order to make it appropriate for that particular territory. All our choices were made from that point of view. We want to assure you that your comments will be added to our records for this game and will be made available for other departments at the company to review and thoughtfully consider.
I’m just hoping you can still view the live3D models somehow. I really don’t care about the touching faces part, but it just seems like such a waste of resources to remove so many detailed renderings in a game for such an asinine reason as ‘appropriateness’.
That’s really my line-in-the-sand with censorship. Edit a costume or photo or some small detail, fine I get it, it’s a different culture blah blah. But cutting access to significant content, well that’s when my cogs really start grinding.
Sorry if this counts as a spoiler, but at the very least, the Live2D models are used for confession scenes instead of the static CG used in Awakening, if that helps?
Eh I guess it’ll do for now. That’s still a limited set of animations compared to the previous amount, but I’ve made my peace with the decision. I knew I was probably getting an altered version in the first place, but I just wish NoA would one day stop acting like it’s serving the kids table of video games.
Guys take the amie thing with a grain of salt, kotaku is an unreliable source. I’ve seen very many posts saying “yes it is” “no its not” wait until the game is released to the public before making a big fuss over it
Haven’t played Fire Emblem in about four or five years, but I randomly visited the site for some unknown reason and the first thing I see is that Nintendo of America is up to their old shenanigans again.
If Smash is getting this many FE reps, the series itself may go in a direction that can be on par with Pokemon. Japan will be getting them on the 4th! ^_^ http://www.smashbros.com/jp/dlc/index.html
Honestly, I don’t want Fire Emblem to ever become a ‘big series’. If it will, it has to appease the mainstream which means we will get even more waifushit. Seisen no Keifu handled the marriage system quite well but Awakening and Fates has the problem of making everyone able to marry everyone, which makes the relationships feel very weak and fabricated imo.
IS should just do a SMT and Persona thing with FE.
Well, if there’s one thing I’ve learned from all of this, it’s that a lot of you are REALLY passionate about petting people’s faces…and that there’s some confusion out there about the difference between censorship and editing for content.
In fairness I don’t think it’s just about the petting. People were also worried that they wouldn’t get to see the Live2D models as much (since even with the confession scenes you’d only really get to see it once per playthrough unless you really liked grinding support points), and the minigame had a lot of dialogue, including a fair amount that fleshed out the characters and has been said to include the majority of the VA, that people also didn’t want to miss out on. Many were also worried that that had been removed along with the minigame. However so far, we don’t know if those are out, although we don’t know if those are still in either. We really just have to wait until someone shows it off in-game.
If the support conversations are lost, then I’ll share their disappointment, yes. Character development is one of the my favorite aspects of the series, after all. I’m just glad I won’t have to virtually pet anyone’s virtual face in order to see them…assuming they’re still there.
I agree that character development is one of my favourite aspects, and also I feel one of the most important. With so many characters, and a few who’s personalities boil down to a few traits, any development is very welcome and really helps you to actually conntect with these characters. It can also help with supports…I’ve already read one person saying that the minigame lines really fleshed out the two gay marriage candidates, since otherwise their supports were a bit lacking. You also lose out on some very important information about characters. So, hopefully, that’s still in, or they’ve at least found a way to include that information elsewhere in the game.
A good point is the fact that you need to play the game to see the lines, which admittedly is an issue for those who are uncomfortable with the minigame, and perhaps makes it a bit less ‘optional’. Maybe it would have been better if there was a toggle for turning the petting on and off, so you could do it if you wanted or, if you didn’t could just press a ‘next’ or ‘skip’ button and get the ending dialogue and bonuses and items or whatever. That way you still won’t miss anything, but you wouldn’t have to engage in the actual minigame. I’m actually hoping that’s what they do here, keep the models and voice lines and etc., but just don’t have you needing to pet the character to get them, since we know that’s out. Of course, as to what they’ll actually do we still have no idea.
In short, I think it would just be very unfortunate if they ‘threw the bucket out with the bath water’ as it were, and throw out a lot of great resources, lines, and character development while trying to get rid of one controversial minigame.
“Gameplay tips will appear in the game (note: because of the high level of difficulty)” Depending on what kind of tips these are, that could be pretty interesting. Maybe this game will make me a better player. Looking forward to when it comes out, and hoping for some kind of translation.
Would it be easier with a picture gallery to view all the submission in one page? It’s tiring to open many tabs just to compare and becoming tedious to scroll down the picture in the forum. :/ By the way, good luck for participants!
If they were going to keep the character models with dialogue and them blushing, they should have just kept the skinship but made it skipable if you just wanted the bonus for it.
Well, even if you can’t touch the imouto, it’s something. Still feel burned about NA’s skinship game being nerfed, but we’ve got the more important conversations and bonuses intact. Except for Niles telling you he’s gonna do some spelunking, of course.
Also Live2D animations look janky as ever. Sakura’s gonna fling herself out of frame if things continue at that pace.
This was the most realistic and best case scenerio as to what they would do with the skinship minigame once it was confirmed touching was out, so I’m very happy! It’s especially nice to know the lines are fully voiced. I wish Nintendo had just explained this was what they were going to do, I feel like it’d have mitigated at least some of the controversy. Stll, happy to see this is what they went with!
At least its not GONE. Even though i am disappointed you cant touch them/interact with the characters more, it can also be argued, that you still enjoy the scene, and it takes less work than there needs to be (its like 5-60 seconds less, depending on if your a pervert and want to take a long time instead of doing it normally).
Yeah, I can live with it. Since the visuals and dialogue are not outright cut, there’s not much to cry over.
Still, it’s silly for the localization team to raise such a hubbub over tapping your stylus on a character’s face. Can’t have the kids playing this game have any funny feelings!
I blame Kotaku and the overall blogging era of news updates. If this had been like 10 years ago no one would have learned about the changes til the game dropped. Now every little rumor and tidbit is scrutinized and turned into a headline for those juicy clicks.
Except that fade in/out with the line of dialogue was already there along with the petting in the Japanese version, and the petting included moans and gasps and all sorts of lewd things. Plus the lines of dialogue in the English version have likely been altered to a degree where they aren’t nearly as lewd as they are in the Japanese version. Honestly I think this was the overall best outcome when concerning the removal of skinship, I personally wouldn’t have minded the petting but I’m just happy they kept in the dialogue and Live 2D models.
Agreed on all points. A lot of fans were concerned they’d do a fade to black to hide the skinship (as in, character enters room, fade to black, ‘Your relationship has strengthened!’, character leaves your room) which would definitely have major controversial implications, especially when you consider it also gives the character a stat boost for the next battle x3 The way they did it doesn’t imply there was anything untoward going on at all. If anything it looks like the characters just had a discussion, albeit a quick one.
Realistically speaking, im glad they went with a compromise rather than just outright taking it out. Even if there is no “tapping” we still get the models and scenes so i mean thats all i really cared about.. it kinda sucks that we are getting a nerfed version of it but in the grand scheme of the whole game i doubt it will be that big of a deal now… and umm felicia….hahaha….
Is it still like in Awakening where you have to marry every character to get the full experience? While I didn’t care much for that game, I still put a good 80h in it in total, which even then makes it my least played FE. Supports aren’t as helpful stat-wise as they used to be and I don’t want to think about shipping characters to recruit their child. I guess I could ignore shipping completely but I don’t particularly care for the whole marriage thing and children in general.
I still need to go back to seisen no keifu and start over since i’m kinda screwed out of hanibel or whatever his name was since the child who got the sleep staff Couldn’t use staves. I think most of the games are better than awakening, especially storywise, awakening was very weak in that department.
And yes it is still like awakening in that regard. It seemed to be a major selling feature for fire emblem awakening which was originally going to be last fire emblem if it didn’t sell well. so i guess they decided to continue with it.
But yeah i too miss the old fire emblems that made you think and didn’t give you the option to let units come back next battle and having actual bosses and not those generic leaders in awakening.
Glad to see that there are still some sensible people left in this fandom, the majority seems to be sold into “The Awakening Delusion”.
You should get back to it for sure, both Seisen no Keifu and Thracia 776 are brilliant. To me Thracia is slightly better, partly because it introduced some series staples. Fog of War, rescue command (100x better than pair-up), as well as a fatigue system (wish it would appear in future titles).
Eh, like most everyone else, I didn’t think Awakening was anywhere near as good as the other games. I thought that the game was solid, but definitely the weakest entry (Shadow Dragon gets a pass because it’s a straight remake). I appreciate that they made it more marketable so as to continue the series, but the level of marketability does seem to be getting a bit too high.
Fair enough, you seem to understand that Awakening is shite compared to the others and that casualization does not only bring positives.
It’s a bit of a shame how it turned out, as I’m sure IS meant well with the game. Ultimately however, it became a bit too much of everything that wasn’t especially developed, and just put in for the “sake of being the last FE”. The marriage system is a good example of this.
So yeah, I don’t mind marriage if it’s well executed, but I find Awakening to fail in this aspect and several more.
Dude, that was one game. Which had substitute characters and no pandering (and before you bring up anything about incest, it was played for drama; not fetishism).
It’s extremely frustrating seeing people who haven’t touched FE4 talk about it matter-of-factly.
I wasn’t talking about it “matter-of-factly,” I was just pointing out that one of the FE of old had marriage and children as not only a major plot point, but actually THE major plot point.
Nice! If you manage to go, photos and a brief report of your experience would be nice (and maybe bribe the staff for an extra T-shirt). But of course remember to chill and have fun : )
Just asked and it seems like they’re imposing the limit on T-shirts, so we’ll have to see once I’m there. Otherwise I’m good for everything else so I’ll be back with the low-down next week, thanks!
Ugh, I’m getting antsy for the game. My body is extremely ready!! I don’t have a pre-order for the game, so I might either have to buy an eshop card or hope that my local Wal-mart has some copies left on the day of release.
It’s a shame I won’t be near Toronto on the 12th, because going to an FE event seems exciting.
Nice. Couldn’t be happier. The only aspects of this I was frustrated with losing were the support bonuses and awesome character models. Both of those things are still around, so I’m happy as a clam. The actual touching mini game was always pretty irrelevant for me, and honestly the localization team had no choice. Taking it out was the only sensible thing to do considering how weird it would be considered in western culture.
Lack of Dual Audio kinda sucks, since the dub seems… inconsistent, but I get that its probably more issue than its worth with the filesize and rights and whatnot.
Was still looking forward to the game either way. 2 weeks can’t go fast enough.
*Giggle*
It will be nice to see some photographs of these shirts after the trip. The beginning story of Fates gives it a good enough point to have Corrin struggle later in the critical decision.
we need this in us! I have some already but its kind of confusing in japanese and it would be much easier to purchase if it was here in the U.S. however at the very least we need an english version of the albums
Ah, two more weeks and I’ll be able to have a relaxing, casual romp through Fates’ three part story on Classic. It’ll be a nice break from actually strategizing in Tear Ring Saga.
Interesting to note the unused sea dragon class in FE3. Perhaps they intended to bring Neptune back for that (As book 2 expands upon the dragons in general) yet it still didn’t make the final cut.
The things that were in the beta version seems really interesting, especially the weapon triangle changes. The original chapter seemed interesting too, but FE:6 is very good as it is.
I’ve actually seen a lot of people on other sites saying this is such a dealbreaker that they will not buy it. I will obviously still buy and prob love it but this really bums me out (did not like the english dub in awakening). Hope they realize they are gonna lose sales with this.
Already pre-ordered Birthright digitally on the eShop. The game was more important than all the shit that got cut out. Not to mention I’d like the opportunity to hear, read, and play the game via dubs.
Well it’s also a deal breaker for me ,Bought Awekening and all their DLC an planned to do the same with this one but Now, It’s a Big NO, aparrently it’s too hard to ask a NoA the same experience and all of the content the Japanese had.
Before someone say, just import it, Region Lock, Nintendo don’t give you a easy Option here.
Really Dissapointed in Nintendo and how they communicate with some their customers.
any respect i had for them is lost, by their recent behavior and stance with the Censors- i mean “Localization”
Killed any hype i had for this game,
You’re right. They should have just given us the original Japanese game with no translation whatsoever. And how dare they not meet your expectations and wants? A truly horrible company.
The people that are most pissed about this are the non-English speaking Westerners. Since they have to deal with a dub they don’t understand, they’d rather play the original one. I, for one, will just turn off the voices and play it like a good old FE.
Understandable? Yes.
Still disappointed from the not adding dual-audio? Still yes.
I hope that Nintendo will at least consider dual-audio download via DLC to solve the issue with space, as well as licensing issues.
Thank you for for explaining the complexities of dual audio. This should be required reading for anyone the least bit interested in these decisions.
I honestly don’t think people who expect or want the original Japanese are numerous enough to sway NOA or NOE, but it’s not unreasonable to at least request it.
I’m not completely heartbroken, and I understand why duel-audio can be a bit of a pipe dream, but Aqua’s (Or Azura’s or whatever her name is. I’ve been very good at dodging game news!) voice in the Japanese audio is just so beautiful, I’m sad that I won’t be able to listen to it in the context of the game. ;^;
The 8GB 3DS carts don’t actually exist, as no game has ever used them. 8 GB is just a theoretical possibility as claimed by the manufacturer of the 3DS carts. Vita’s in the same boat, though I think that’s more likely to use a 8 GB cart than 3DS is.
Also it seems the full version of Fates is smaller than 2 GB, so that means they were easily able to fit the whole thing on one cart afterall. Dual audio possibly could push things over 2 GB, though I think another set of cutscenes in Japanese would the problem rather than just the audio itself.
8GB carts exist. They are purchasable from Nintendo of Japan by developers and publishers. We have confirmation of that, which is why it’s in the article. However, yes, nobody has ever used them for a game yet.
Honestly this game has caused so much controversy I just need it to be out already so i can ignore the internet xD however i admit it does kinda suck we wont be able to choose the dub we want but hey, life moves on right?
i never understand why people prefer jap voices over English. i guess they would rather read text, than listen to people talking while enjoying the artwork in the game.
Okay, first of all, “jap” is a derogatory term. Please refrain from using it when abbreviating Japanese. JP is fine.
To answer your question: the same reason people enjoy foreign films (which are subtitled). The way emphasis on words works between languages is not the same and word choices may imply different subtext, so if you have even a rough understanding of the language, you can sometimes pick up on subtle nuances that the translator didn’t catch or just for better overall understanding of the intended scene tone.
Additionally, some of us in North America can understand the language (even if only partly for some), but the Nintendo 3DS is a region locked device, which would mean being required to buy another whole 3DS (and a more expensive one at that, due to import cost) to play the game with the voices in their original language. Not only that, subtitled games and other media are good practice for those who are learning the language.
Lastly, if you are experienced with subtitled media, your reading speed is likely very fast. Enjoying the artwork is just as much possible while reading subtitles as it is without.
Some people can understand it but can’t read it; kanji is a bitch to learn. There’s also differences in quality and delivery. Regardless, you’re a dumbass troll.
You’re right, that was inappropriate. Apologies. When people use phrases like I’ll never understand why people “insert: some activity that they don’t do” and then follow it up with inane scenarios why they choose to do so as if they’re the stupid ones, I can’t help but call them out.
Wouldn’t need to dual audio if the English VO was any good. It was horrible in awakening because the tone of voice didn’t match the situation (Just look at the cutscene where Sumia rescues Chrome) and was flat/emotionless.
This is kind of a non issue for me as I’ve never needed voices in the previous FE’s to enjoy them.
But at the same time, man with the voices we’ve got this time, well…
‘WE’VE.
GAHT.
TRAHBEL!’
Awesome! Nintendo is really pushing hard on this series! They are trying to keep it alive the best that they can. I don’t think it will fail to sell now especially after putting Kamui/Corrin in Smash 4!
@Namevah:disqus
NA will get it! Since it sold better there and Japan than anywhere else!
Honestly, I don’t really much care if Fire Emblem Fates has no dual audio, I often play games in english (there are a few exceptions) so it’s no big loss for me.
Is it too much to hope we one day get an eShop release of a translated New Mystery of the Emblem, too? I played through about half the fan translation ROM, but jut got too tired of looking at that tiny screen on my giant iMac.
Try investing in a flash card such as DSTWO. I did that and I can play literally every single Fire Emblem release on it. Super helpful for the Japan-only releases.
I did look into it at one point, but didn’t want to invest the time/money when I was only looking to play New Mystery of the Emblem with it. If I dig into the other Japan-only releases, I’ll check it out again. Thanks for the recommendation.
This wouldn’t be a problem if the dubbing of Fates was on Par with Awakening, except it isn’t.
There’s the obvious Felicia (voice is fine, acting is terrible), but then there’s also some hypocrisy (age up Sakura and Elise to avoid pedophilic implications, but then have no qualms giving Nyx a very childlike voice?).
I’m a huge fan of Nintendo and FE, but some of the decisions being made here just seem- well- idiotic.
I thought about the Tellius series… but I can’t remember any voice acting in those? It’s been a very long time since I played them, though. Do you have a link to a video?
Oh, I see. I must have blocked it out of my memory.
There weren’t very many cutscenes in these games, though, and they came before the time when consumers really started requesting dual audio on a frequent basis.
Honestly, there were likely a variety of technical reasons why it didn’t happen this time, but DLC would be nice. I don’t think they’ll do it, though, especially if the licensing concerns outweighed the size limitations.
Just to make sure, this is saying that only the Japanese versions of Fates will be going on sale when buying extra routes? As in, the NA release that is coming out soon will not get this discount?
Meh. I’m done buying Nintendo of America products; rent or used from now. I still like their games (Nintendo of Japan’s) but I’m tired of paying the localization company full price for half the product.
Half the product is a pretty big stretch isn’t it? Literally all they removed was tapping a screen for an extra minigame. I get having a stance against changes, but let’s not make mountains out of proverbial ant hills here.
Forgive the hyperbole. I’ll give a realistic % next time. When I say half though I meant half the audio (as per the article). Having dual audio was a realistic expectation given the last entry.
And while I don’t personally care about the skinship thing or Soleil at all, I’m getting tired of the cultural sanitizing. I’ve been seeing this happen as long as bars have been cafes in Final Fantasy and Holy was Pearl. It doesn’t affect the gameplay but it’s getting old all the same. I’m jaded with financially supporting it. I can still support the franchise by buying the originals.
Fair enough. I guess I just see so many hyperbolic extreme opinions on the webs these days I can’t exactly tell who’s being serious any more.
I do kind of disagree on the audio bit still though. It was explained pretty thoroughly in this update why it was an issue for this game, and a one game precedent is not enough to make it a series required option. That said I did wish it was there, as the dub quality is iffy, but its not a dealbreaker for me at least.
I do kinda agree with the cultural sanitation thing, but I guess I’m just not too jaded on the whole thing as long as it remains fairly minor. I see it as the trade-off of not just learning Japanese myself. Actually cutting significant gameplay would trigger me though.
It’s a 1st world problem at its core, took decades to reach this point. I’ll still play the games, I just won’t pay for them to assert my disapproval. And as it were, being in the middle of learning Japanese is probably fueling this change since I’m now presented alternatives.
I don’t buy the audio explanation. Space limitation realistically isn’t a concern. More likely coding for it would be too much hassle if they’re cutting and rearranging dialogue so a 1 for 1 swap won’t be possible any more. Perhaps licensing. Either way, nothing is ever required but a precedent is a precedent. Can you imagine the uproar if they didn’t include the MU feature this time?
But yeah. While gameplay > everything, it’d be nice to get a product that wasn’t whitewashed. It’s also rather disrespectful to the source culture in my eyes i.e., this creepy shit might fly in Japan but not here.
I usually only see people wanting Japanese audio when they claim that the English voice acting is bad (which is more often than not a load of pretentious weeb-bias anyway), but that wasn’t the case with Awakening at all. I see no reason to believe NOA would deny Fates the same level of quality control, especially after how much more representation Fire Emblem has gotten in the west after Awakening and Smash 4.
It’s actually non-debatable that more effort goes into the Japanese dub in most cases. They have auditions, directors, record as a group, etc; voice acting is big money. These people are professionals and celebrities. In the West, they call up Johnny, Vic, Yuri, have them phone it in, and call it a day. Your own ‘merca-bias is no less pretentious.
I can’t tell if this is bate or you’re really stupid enough to believe that western voice actors aren’t auditioned or have directors. Don’t argue with a voice actor about what voice acting is like.
As someone who works in the industry, they do have directors, auditions, and no, they don’t just phone it in. There are voice actors that are frequently recast into similar roles, but they have to audition for those roles just as much as anyone else. The voice actor industry is more competitive and more glamorous in Japan (they are treated like celebrities), but it is also lower paying, not higher. Go check out the union rates for voiceover work if you don’t believe me.
If you’re referring to ISDN or source connect for phoning it in, you are mistaken in thinking this is a lower quality method of recording. Generally when this method is used to record, it’s done by connecting one professional level studio to another; one with the voice director and the other with the actor. While it is true that often character lines are recorded in isolation, loop groups do happen sometimes, but that’s far more common in western animation. ADR is utilized far more often for localization.
The quality of the voiceover work in the US depends highly on the director, the actors, and the budget. Higher budget media gets phenomenal dubs, like Fate Zero, but games often do not have the budget to hire the first rate voice actors. The pool of excellent voice actors is far lower in the US than Japan, and it costs far more to hire the good ones due to acting unions.
Please do your research before making such broad claims.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are useful when you’re not trying to write an essay. I was responding to the notion that it’s mostly pretentious weebs that enjoy JP audio for no legitimate reason. And no, I didn’t mean phone in literally.
I’m aware some have directors and auditions. No idea how many. I also know there’s plenty of in-house dubbing; looking at you FUNimation. I’m also aware the seiyuu business pays crap (mostly inspired to learn this from Shirobako) and they’re paid by rank. The top grade Seiyuu make most of their money through other means using their acquired fame as the catalyst.
While I was being aggressive, I didn’t mean to blanketly suggest that voice acting in the US is necessarily bad, only that our Japanese counterparts have a stronger seiyuu industry and it shows. There’s obviously many phenomenal Western dubbed products: the Final Fantasies, Stella Glow, Shin Megami, etc. Most local games like Naughty Dog’s The Last of Us have amazing voice work. But as a long time consumer, it’s easy to tell when the localization was short changed and irritating when it’s your only option. Contrary to Biaza’s claim, I have more examples of bad dubbing than I can count.
As an aside, I refuse to believe Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Young Bosch are God’s gift to voice acting and that’s why they “win” so many auditions. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t nepotism at play.
Almost everything with voice acting of any sort has a director. They are the ones who choose the actors from the auditions and the ones who give voice direction during recording. Hence, why I said the quality of the dub depends on them; if they are not on the precise wavelength of the original author, catastrophe can occur. While it is their job to do that, some of them try to re-direct the work in a direction other than originally intended for various reasons.
Studios like funimation or ocean group that do every voice recording in-house with their own actors are actually NOT the norm. They do get a lot of titles in the anime realm, though, because their reputation for quality is higher than most.
There is nepotism at play. That is how acting works! Everyone auditions, but unless you have a knockout voice that fits exactly what they wanted and something that gives them a semblance of the idea that you can be directed easily, they are going to go with the safer, known gamble of working with a well known actor that has proven to be very successful in the past. Voice recording is very expensive. They need to know you can give them what they want in a reasonable timeframe, because they are recording you on their dime. Every take costs them more money.
The US scene for voice acting in games and media is progressively getting better, though, but it will take time for it to be taken as seriously in localization as it is in western works.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are not okay, especially when they are ill founded.
I play with the JPN audio on 98% of the time in Awakening- turned it off on chapter 12 and never looked back. I recently finished my first playthrough with the ENG voices on the whole time- overall a very good dub, but still not as good as the original (especially Inigo. Ughhh.) However, I think Fates’ dub is worse than Awakening’s, from what I’ve seen. Most of the voices I can live with (Though somewhat unhappily in Marxander’s case- he sounds like Chrom (Don’t get me wrong, I love Chrom, but Marxander is such a different character that it’s unfitting.) but my biggest problem is Azura’s singing voice vs. Aqua’s. In If, Aqua has a professional VA for her talking voice and a professional singer for her singing voice. In Fates, they got a professional VA to do both voices, so while her talking voice is just as good, her singing is… incredibly inferior.
On that note, does anyone know where I can legally buy Renka’s CD? I want to support her career, but It wasn’t on Itunes last I checked & buying it on Ebay wouldn’t get any money to her.
Bought four booster boxes of the first series, ended up at around 250$ with shipping and import fees included. Would love to buy the other ones but the student life is not easy in the monetary department…
All I care about is that the mouth flaps synch well enough and the English grammar doesn’t suffer for it. Last time I checked, most dialogue remains in text form anyway, with only the “grunts” and “battle cries” and other canned lines at the ready for accompaniment, with portraits that are static. Unless that’s somehow different this time around, and non-cutscene dialogue gets voiced more, I don’t see it being that big a deal for me.
My actual issue with the game is the setting, but that’s me being a filthy westerner who needs to learn to realize that they’re not trying to say the west is inherently evil or something by making all the western characters be on the “dark” side of conquest. 😛
Ive been playing today and, being honest, i didnt expected much at the beginning, but im glad to say i was wrong, the dubbing its well done!! and Azura’s voice is just so sweet <3 ty for your hard work miss Strober!
Nice, playing the game now and the dub isn’t so bad. Better in than Awakening in fact, which was pretty good, too, for the most part. Still it would be nice to have the CHOICE to change language.
Especially with it comes to the Avatar. The male voices I’m mostly fine with, but I’m split on the voices for the female. Mature one is perfectly fine. Middle one is okay, my only issue with it is that its a little too similar to the mature one. The young one is just…..ugh. Annoying sounding rather than young or cute sounding.
Dubbing songs that were written for a different language is much harder than dubbing normal speaking. Even before considering that, I think Ms. Strober has a wonderful voice, and the dub itself is really very good. It’s awesome that she actually found the thread here! ^.^
I reached chapter 10 and was pleasantly surprised. The dubs are not bad at all! (I’m not a fan of the translated version of the song though, as much as I love Azura’s voice)
I thought she did a very excellent job as Aqua (azura). I was suspicious at first as-well, mostly because of all the fear-mongering on /v/; however was pleasantly surprised. I think Azura’s voice was very well done. While some voices were somewhat lacking… Azura’s was not one of them.
When I first heard her English voice, it took a couple minutes to register because of how insanely different it is from the Japanese version. Is it bad? Not my place to say, but you do get a different impression on her character, and that’s what gets me.
I was admittedly a bit wary of how she was going to do, but that’s moreso because a song going from Japanese to English rarely sounds decent, but I was legitimately impressed.
Nice job, Rena! Though the song has been stuck in my head for awhile now…
Yeah , i have been following Abdallah because of Fates he is playing on normal classic so not a big challenge but still fun to watch he is a good guy so i advise you to lose some time watching some of his videos , he got Conquest Chapter 6 and Revelation Chapter 6 and his Birthright is 13 or 14 😉
How can you have fun watching his vids? Like, he’s a really cool guy and all, but he grinded so hard that his characters overpower everything and yet he somehow still plays really bad. Like he’ll be afraid to send his guy against an opponent when he one rounds them and they have like a 30% chance of doing 4 damage. Then he’ll get all upset when he kills an enemy and only gets 1 Exp (like what do you expect after all that grinding).
Again, he seems real cool, but he does a bunch of little things that irritate me. He takes way too long on his turns (when he can literally bum rush everything), he says “essentially” way too much, he constantly compares himself to Silas (who he honestly looks nothing like; and the joke is just overplayed now), he feels himself way too hard over crappy strats (like it’s totally an accomplishment that he was able to beat a certain character during a certain chapter; of course you can when your characters are crazy OP, lol), and I can see how some people enjoy it but I dislike him reading every line of dialogue.
I do feel like a total hater here, especially when I did enjoy watching the first video that I saw from him (I think it was Paralogue 1), but the more I watched, the more I disliked. I definitely wish him the best and he’s obviously doing things right if he’s got fans (fans who love to spoil crap in the YouTube comments), but it’s just not for me.
Also, he’s at Birthright Ch.17, although it was probably 16 when you posted your comment.
But yea, tldr; I’d probably still enjoy watching him if he didn’t grind his characters to super OP levels (or at least not act like he has to worry about his characters getting killed when they’re so OP) and if he didn’t say “essentially” all the time, like literally all the time, lol. Definitely not a bad dude and someone worth supporting.
Edit: Check out this moment from Birthright Ch. 15 https://youtu.be/8Ke18yC6tAA?t=1132
He has a 100% hit rate and will OHKO the enemy, but because the enemy has a 51% chance of dealing 17 damage (less than half his own character’s health), he is afraid of it and performs a bunch of unnecessary actions instead.
Just one example of why I find him frustrating to watch, lol.
I known Abdallah for 3-4 Years, he used to be a very nice guy, he always talked to people,did live streams of Mario Kart 7,Luigis Mansion and Animal Crossing every weekend and even offered his Skype, he did a Fire Emblem Awakening play through and really seemed to enjoy it, his reactions seemed genuine, now he’s become more and more and more greedier with money, he never really talks to anyone on Skype, we all used to have a Skype group chat with many other people, it became extremely fun, I met so many great people (like MegamanNG which also posted a reply) his reactions are very forced and doesn’t even finish Lets plays at all, back then he lets played them through the end, now all he does is play games for a little bit and quits, you can argue that Yo-Kai Watch is still strong and standing but the reason is, is because how many views he gets, compared to other lets play, Yo-Kai watch has many views and likes, Abdallah only cares from getting a profit out of all of this, he grinds has much has possible and a PRIME example is Fire emblem Fates and Fantasy Life, he’s gotten to the point where its boring, He complains about very stupid reason like getting 1 EXP(Frozen Rose’s comment also explains more of this) Abdallah has changed from being someone nice, to a Greedy rude person, I have a friend who helper Abdallah with apotheosis, and its true everything he said, he told me the units he was going to use before Abdallah posted the videos, and he was right, Abdallah never credited him, he helped him so much its very sad he never even once got mentioned, Abdallah ALSO calls himself the “King” of every game, like even his twitter says “Pax-South King” which is very stupid when there are clear better people than him, he makes very stupid plans and always thinks that Blitzing through everything is a “GOOD” strategy, there are many other youtubers who can do a much better job than him. OmegaEvolution,MegamanNG are people I say can far surpass is quality!
Abdallah is an interesting guy to say the least. He’s a nice guy for the most part, but like GamingBrosX714 has said, he has recently changed to the mindset of most other big youtubers. If a series isn’t getting the views he wants, he’ll cancel it. That aside, he is known for completely grinding the difficulty out of any rpg he plays. Awakening was included in this. He justified his grinding by it being in preparation for Apotheosis…
This is no different in Fates. I can guarantee when he starts his Conquest playthrough, he’ll grind the heck out of the DLC there to breeze through that game as well. I personally don’t think it’s much fun to watch a playthrough where someone just steamrolls through everything with no strategy. People would argue against this (himself included), but it’s hard to see why you need much of a strategy after the amount of grinding he does+normal mode.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s still a nice guy, it’s just I wish he at least chose a higher difficulty to compensate if he were to grind this much, but to each their own I guess.
I support Abdallah but I wonder if this means you’ll include other YouTubers as well… like me, MegamanNG. I am also doing Fire Emblem: Fates but it’s more of a non-commentated kind of game.
Oh and Abdallah’s videos are that good. He delivers especially on the commentary side.
The answer is that yes, eventually we will have a way for people to submit their stuff and we’ll include it on the site. We’re figuring out how that’s going to work still.
I know you guys will figure it out. I’ll wait as long as it takes because I want to contribute for the good of all things Fire Emblem… that and since Chrom and Lucina are in Project X Zone 2, I want to add that in too.
I tweeted him about it and he said that there was no problem. But since the game is US edition your console must be of the american model. I’m from Brazil and the model sold here is the american one. 🙂
Ms. Strober, I realize this is a bit late, but thank you for using your beautiful voice for FE: Fates. I’ve really enjoyed the game so far, and the music is great! Not to mention Azuras voice really suits her, it gives her more of a real/loving appeal imo.
Comparing FE4’s map and the unknown world map, it seems that the south east somewhat resembles Verdane with it’s lake dried up. http://s35.photobucket.com/use…
It honestly gets so addicting once you get into the swing of hopping between castles. It’s great for boosting supports too without overpowering your characters.
Yea, fully utilizing My Castle is pretty much REQUIRED to 100% Conquest, because you can’t use the world map to support grind like in Birthright and Revelation. You could theoretically use DLC maps to support grind even if you don’t get EXP (excepting Boo Camp), but My Castle also gives you weapon resources and access to Hoshidan weapons and rods (like the super useful Festals).
I can’t wait to see how people use Anna when Anna on the Run hits, because Anna is a fully developed unit (technically on disc DLC in fact) with support conversations and even marriage if I’m not mistaken, unlike the 4 amiibo units. And of course Ballasticians and Witches seem like amazing classes.
Wow! 😀
Thought that they were through with making them. But…with so many skills unused it would make sense that we’d get more of these. Now waiting for the translation of them!
If I live in the US but want to buy the EU version of Fates, can I buy an EU 3ds and play the EU fates on it even though I’ll be playing it in the US? Or will it still region lock me? I just want to buy the game with less censorship, and this is the only other option that I can think of (except for a fan patch, but I’d rather support the game by purchasing it).
It is unknown what is censored in the european version.
We have to wait until the games come out…
At least they don´t officially say anything about censorship/localisation for europe.
So theoretically it could be that nothing will be censored….
Anyone else who purchased Map Pack 1 seeing the problem that even after they update their Dragons Gate through the Internet, that they’re not seeing Royal Royale? If it was meant to be released post direct like they made it seem, I’m not seeing it at all.
Oh no, if you brought map pack 1 then you brought it. Each map releases on a different date which mean you have to go in the start menu and redownload it. The price is just cheaper if you get the pack.
No, I meant the article and direct made it sound like the Map Royal Royale came out two days ago, when in reality in comes out in a little over a week.
Well, from what I know the only things being censored were the “skinshipping” (aka litterally petting your units to increase support) and the Soleil controversy (where dialogues made it seem like the Avatar “cured” the gayness of a female character to date her, which was removed in the US)
The thing about not having character deaths (or more accurately, respawn on the next turn) is just a mode you’re free to play with or without (enjoy the game as you like ^^) but it’s preset in every version, Japanese, US and EU too…
Awesome for getting skills. Kinda sucks with the limited Nohr funds, though. The gold grinding DLC can be surprisingly difficult, too- since the enemy spawns are random.
Just out of curiosity- anyone got a Soleil or Velouria with Lunge? I’m offering various skills in mine as well (Beruka with Air Superiority, Azura with Rend Heaven, etc).
I don’t think it’s up for preorder anywhere quite yet. I didn’t see it on my usual locations for importing. I didn’t check Amazon JP, but you probably can’t import it from there without a mail proxy.
Elise and Sakura playing the harp outta be good to play when going to sleep. Better make plans for http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSBI-34
this abysmal stock especially since you cannot buy imports from amazon.jp.
You actually can buy DVDs, CDs, and Books from Amazon.co.jp if you’re an international customer. Just not really anything else. They only have express shipping though, but considering it usually starts at CD Japan’s SAL prices… Regardless, their listing still hasn’t started accepting preorders yet.
Hey just just wanted to share this but i tried looking for a pattern of feed your astral dragon in your castle to see if i coulde get more stats for it and what do you know if found it. instead of giving it a food item for +1 stat for 2 stats this pattern give 5 stats a +1 every time you feed it. this is the pattern i’ve tried Meat,Cabbage,Milk ,Wheat, berry. From what i notice its just like giving proper diet to the dragon. so yeah give it a try and have a nice day
So far, only Gaiden and The Sacred Stones (would make a nice set together). The Elibe cards will start with Series 5 (Binding Blade), while Jugdral starts with Series 6 (Genealogy). From there, you can expect Blazing Sword and Thracia to arrive eventually.
Hmmm. I have a few more bucks to spend on dlc. Which one which one… Grrr… I really want to get Nohr, but I know that as SOON as i buy the route, it’ll go 50% off or something… *sighs*
I pre ordered this on amazon but im debating on whether I should wait to see if it gets an English release because it will have the Japanese singers and while I do like them I do prefer the dub singer what do you think?
If you can afford it, get both. FEA soundtrack sold out super quick and was on eBay for $300+ before they re-released it, so don’t take any chances. If the English one does come out, then perhaps sell it. I’ll probably get both, I reckon they’ll do an English one.
Man. Would love to have these deals in my part of the globe.
The price cuts for everything makes it as much of a steal as the Gen 1 Pokemon games for $10 each.
The coin is for only UK or for all Europe??? I have seen in other pages that it’s for all Europe but when I reserved my copy they didn’t said me anything of a gift of something. And it’s only a gift they gift you only reserving the special edition and not normal copies??
I second this. And unlike Twilight Princess HD I would happily pay $50 for such a collection.
Just…only as long as they don’t do anything to tamper with the gameplay and try to “Awakenize” the games in a desperate attempt to get more of the new crowd to buy it.
Ugh, no, I think I’d get pretty angry if they did Awakenize my two favourite games of the whole series. Like flashier animations would be a nice addition, but all the extra stuff? No thanks.
It’s a sad state of affairs when you consider a scenario where the games are remastered and untouched, and you realize that newer fans likely would boycott the game for having no waifus and actual strategy.
Are you implying that Path of Radiance demands more strategic thinking than newer games in the franchise?
I really love Path of Radiance for its characters and story, but the game is probably the easiest FE game together with Sacred Stones, at least in my eyes.
Since I’m European I haven’t had the chance to play Fates yet, so no comments on that. But I’d argue that Awakening as a whole, together with Sacred Stones, is far easier than any other game in the series. PoR doesn’t have much going for it in terms of difficulty compared to the other games, but I was mainly referring to RD when I wrote that.
Either of the Tellius games are still miles better than Awakening, though.
I’ll skip the LE. Like every other recent Nintendo of Emuricano LE, it costs more than it’s actually worth.
I’ll happily get the game though if my budget allows for it.
“Take your favourite #FE characters like Marth and Link and make your own waifu/husbando! Includes dirtydirty mode for the kids! Must pay to win. You will be a big fat loser if you don’t pay for this. NINTENDO! ^_^ “
Mayhap I take the divine Sword of Seals and melt the brainz of whatever clown thought this up?
I permit the prompt enactment of the collection and employment of the sacred weapons, holy weapons, divine weapons, regalia weapons and everything else you can think of.
I’d just like to say that Seisen no Keifu was probably one of the best Fire Emblem games ever, period. The marriage-and-children mechanic was a part of this series long before the GBA games. Back when the series was REALLY hardcore. And before you say that’s not waifu sim because there’s no avatar… The avatar is a single character. The majority of characters you’re marrying are still canon-on-canon relationships.
I don’t really see FE4 as a waifu sim, though. The parent/children mechanic was a part of the story and it worked. What I’m satirizing is the notion that the series is moving away from good story (more or less) and more towards matchmaking that doesn’t have any purpose outside of waifu/husbando. As smart phones tend toward popular entertainment and the type of person who “just doesn’t have time to get involved in anything so instead I play Bubbles 23,” I predict that the FE app is going to appeal to a lower common denominator and the most logical manifestation of that is the waifu/husbando sort of stuff.
Now, I could be entirely wrong (HOPE!! I HOPE I’m entirely wrong!!! DX ) but the opportunity was simply too grand for me not to make fun of. And I had to make fun of the peripheral corporate types who just don’t get Fire Emblem.
About damn time. Shadow Dragon/New Mystery’s touch control scheme was MADE for mobile platforms. Bunch that up with the GBA engine’s “instant save” option and you instantly have a mobile-intuitive Fire Emblem mobile game.
Well, it’s official, Fire Emblem didn’t forget its roots, it set them on fire and is shitting all over the burned corpse, now it’s just waifus and shit plots
Of course, they also make money on the older games as well, just not in the massive amounts that they so desire (and probably need nowadays due to Wii U’s failure, even though they have so much money in the bank) these days.
I’m pretty sure we don’t know there’ll be “waifus” in this theoretical mobile game. I’d also like to note a couple of things. First, Fates was more emotionally moving than anything I saw in FE7. Second, Fire Emblem was dying. Perhaps it didn’t deserve to, but it was dying. This change of direction made it appealing to a much broader number of people (especially in Japan, where “waifu” culture is practically much intertwined with gamer culture) and saved the franchise. So it’s not such a bad thing, is it?
Fates was a commercial sucsess because they actually marketed it, that’s what almost killed Fire Emblem, bad word of mouth because you had to actually try to beat the game when today’s generation is used to having victory handed to them, and because it doesn’t matter how good your game is, you can’t just silently put it on store shelves and expect sales to come
It was inevitable, considering the way the series has been going lately.
EDIT: “the Fire Emblem app will be designed to be more accessible compared to previous games”
How? What else can they possibly remove to make the game any more accessible? Oh right, the weapons triangle. They can remove that and remove weapon tiers like steel or silver so that characters and the convoy item lists will just consist of “Sword, Sword, Sword, Sword, Lance, Lance, Lance, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”. They remove durability with Fates and added funky effects, they can just remove the weapons triangle and add even more funky effects.
You mean like how it was before? The Fates weapon system is actually one of the new parts that worked IMO. It made me actually consider which weapon I wanted to use instead of just going with the most cost effective Iron or Steel weapon, and never using a legendary until the last like 2 missions. I feel like some people cling to durability too much for nostalgias sake. If it was implemented better than I can see the argument for it, but it was usually more annoyingly restrictive than anything challenging or deep
No, it was never anything like that.
Fate’s weapon system helped to make the game rather boring. I never felt like I needed to change weapons most of the time and I never really bothered to unless accuracy was too low.
And if I had to describe Fate’s weapon system like the above quote, it’d be more like: “Sword, Trash, Trash, Trash, Lance, Trash, Trash, Axe, Trash, Trash, Trash, Probably Useful Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”
Some people might “cling” to durability for nostalgia’s sake but many people also like durability because it adds to the gameplay.
I’m genuinely curious as to what you thought it added to the gameplay. In my experience it just usually meant I could rarely use a low use item until the last like 2 maps in case I needed them. I don’t feel like it allowed you more dynamic solutions or strategies but rather just a sense that using anything other than Iron or Steel for your battles was cost ineffective.
I do think durability would work if implemented correctly though. Like I think FE4’s system was a solid foundation for a durabilty system, where you can reforge broken weapons in castles. But I would keep the variety of effects from Fates though, since I fealt that really added more decisions to which weapon you choose.
I do feel if Durability was to make a return, I am hoping for a Berwick Saga like system where every time you use a weapon, it increases in the chance of breakage in different tiers. So a weapon in the yellow condition has an 4-8% of breaking and a weapon in the darker red has a 50% chance of breaking. Add that with you getting a blacksmith at a certain point of the game to restore weapons, I think it would be an amazing system to use.
Certain weapons have differing tiers for breakage and maintenance. One could pay to repair their weapons post-chapters or use a Hammerne staff or wetting stone to restore uses in battles.
That’s the least likely event to happen. I’m learning japanese now and even my instructor has difficulty reading his material. And she reads many japanese authors.
More accessible =/= mobile games. If anything, it makes it LESS accessible. I for one, would not be able to play this, should we ever get it, as I don’t have a phone capable of playing games, and I don’t really want one. Releasing a mobile game for the series will only limit the number of people who will get to play the game, and create a gap in time between consoles releases, both of which will make some people forget about, or lose interest in the series.
Perhaps you’re right. I’m actually in the same boat. I do have an iPad, but it’s outdated. In Japan, however, mobile games are a HUGE deal. There are many mobile games with a bigger player base than some of our biggest MMOs here in the English-speaking world. This move was probably more directed at the Japanese audience than anyone. We’re just getting it because Awakening and Fates sold really well. That’d be my guess.
The majority of Android games (and I assume its similar for iOS), even newer ones almost always have an automatic low setting so it shouldn’t be a problem having enough players out there who can play the game.
There are millions upon MILLIONS of people who have smart devices that are capable of playing games, much much more than the amount of 3DS owners out there, so this actually WILL make the series more accessible to a hell of a lot more people. Especially if Nintendo and DeNa make sure to develop it like most other mobile devs and have the game runnable on devices at least 4 years back.
This. The userbase of smartphones absolutely many times that of handhelds. That is the primary reason Nintendo’s shareholders have been pushing them to bring their IP to smartphones for a number of years, now.
Not too surprising really due to how popular the series has become. Don’t know what to expect from a mobile FE game, but as long as it’s enjoyable it should be fine.
Hm, interesting. I’ll try it out at some point if it’s made for Android~ That being said, do wish it would go back to some of the older roots, even if I do enjoy the new games too.
I love this so much! It contains 134 songs from the first 7 discs, then another 100+ as well as movie file son the data disc. Perfect for a collector and huge fan of the series!
I think the track list is actually incorrect. I have the soundtack here and there are 19 tracks on the 7th disc. The last track on the booklet says it is the ENISHI track. Just wanted to point that out.
i’m honestly okay with this. my main worry will be the micro transaction. But other than that, let it happen. It’s not like its gonna kill the franchise
For those saying “Oh mobile games are big in Japan”:
Location has nothing to do with it. Mobile gaming beats the pants off handheld and console gaming, even in America. There are over 120 million mobile game players in the US alone. As an example, compare that to the approximate 36 million PS4s sold /globally/. You could even extrapolate and say that each gamer purchases one of each console at best (which is not true, as many purchase multiple and households often share consoles), and the number of the primary 3 consoles sold (and therefore potential game sales) wouldn’t even breach 100 million globally. There are plenty of references for this across the internet. Do some research.
Mobile gaming is very, VERY profitable, not just because of microtransactions and gimmicks, but because the number of smartphone users so heftily outweigh the number of consoles and games to sell. Smartphones are seen as a necessity by a great number of people, which means you can directly market your mobile game to those people without needing them to buy specific hardware. This is in addition to the general mobile game design, which is designed to make short brief periods of play as optimal as possible, thereby maximizing the amount of play time for each player and the perceived value (enjoyment) the players get out of them. Additionally, there are so many more people that play mobile games and never touch any other form of video game, that it would be stupid to ignore the market.
Nintendo has great IP and shareholders that have been pushing them to take this very profitable IP into a more accessible domain. However, Nintendo’s standards of quality are quite high for new game ventures and platforms, so there’s a very good chance they will scrutinize this game thoroughly before releasing it. It would be wise to wait and see what they are planning to do before panicking saying “they’re ruining the series omg”. Keep in mind that Fire Emblem was, without a doubt, on the brink of dying before Awakening. That has since turned around and Fates has proven to them that FE is a top IP for them. They are trying to keep it popular and profitable through whatever means possible.
Um… I think my interest in applying is based on what sort of podcast this is going to be…
If it’s just talking about Fire Emblem and having fun whist doing it (and applying some of my audio production magic to it), I think I’m down…
If it’s calling Intelligent Systems and Nintendo for exclusive interviews each week whist flying to every Nintendo show and Video Game Con in order to kidnap Fire Emblem related people and/or grab up every remotely Fire Emblem-related piece of memorabilia for reviewing and always ending the show with informing the listener that they will never be a real Fire Emblem fan because he/she didn’t preorder Seisen no Keifu in 1996… *pant*pant*pant* then I don’t think I’m Emblemier (*gag* was that even a thing before Awakening?) enough…
I’m just a simple country Doctor… a college educated filmmaker who abandoned that in order to become a writer because he wanted to capture the spirit he felt in Fire Emblem. I’m not sure if I could produce a big journalistic-flavoured production….
So basically I ask this: What sort of podcast did you have in mind?
…. This is pretty adorable. XD I wish that rival game makers still did things like this. Sat down and talked about each other’s games. It would probably just turn into a verbal slappy fight though…. ^^
I have bought this set and on the DVD there are 2 versions of the cutscene with Sakura and 2 of the one with Elise, but I can not find anything different between the 2. Am I missing Something?
Loved it. Tho I do have to say my favorite part is on the nohr path where it changes tempo and rhythm. Sends chills down the spine. But I do love the whole song in great. Thank you so much for your awesome contribution to a wonderful series
I spend a lot of my spare time coming up with really focused character and team builds but I never have anyone to share them with or test them with. I’m new here but I’ve been playing Fire Emblem games since I was young and I strongly desire to be see a competitive environment develop not unlike the VGCs of Poke’mon that I used to build teams for. Regardless of what my involvement would look like, the opportunity to chat about builds, strategy, mechanics & interactions with other tacticians with similar interests sets excites me greatly.
I picked one up for about 80€, then it went out of stock about an hour later. Since it’s weekend I’ll probably get it on Monday… Which sorta comes in conflict with the Overwatch release.
If you need someone to help out, then I can probably contribute in some way. I have emblem 6 (Fuuin no Tsurugi) – Fates and I collect fire emblem cipher cards. I’ve been playing since I was a kid. I can talk about strategy, competitive, ideas, story, etc.
Awakening wasn’t a “mess” you just didn’t like it, after all its only a vocal minority of people that disliked Awakening, while the people that did among older FE fans stayed quite, the new FE fans Awakening attracted were quite vocal. I’ve played every FE game that NoA has actually brought west and I’ve enjoyed them all.
Eh… it kinda was a mess though. A fun mess, an excellent example of how a perfectly balanced game is not needed to have a grand old time, but a mess nonetheless.
It also was missing a lot of the complex map objectives that make up the more memorable Fire Emblem missions. The only one I can really remember from Awakening was Tikki’s recruitment mission
The man’s doing it for fun and self-satisfaction, not for profits or even other peoples’ satisfaction. So he’s got nothing to lose and nobody to win over.
The fact some fans can enjoy another of his works in this day and age, even with zero budget, is a mega bonus : )
I understand that, but the fact that he’s hanging on to his FE legacy after so long makes him seem pitiful. He’s like the guy who had his 15 minutes of fame and won’t let go.
He gave up that right when he chose to leave IS. As an independent contractor he’s free to make whatever kind of game he can imagine, but instead he continues to double down on the same thing he’s been making for 25+ years. At least when Sakurai left HAL he created something new rather than just make a Kirby or Smash clone.
If by more popular and mainstream than ever, yes I can. Kaga is sore loser who can’t deal with the fact that Fire Emblem is a success, and he’s a footnote at best.
The gameplay feels much too casual added with no permadeath is even an option. More popular does not equal quality.
Really, all you have been doing in these comments is trying to make flame posts basically pulling every disrespecting piece of defamation just to talk ill of the guy. If you actually had some real criticism instead of flaming in the comments section, you would not be close to banning.
footnotes are the most luxurious part of the book, they are the meat and bones of any success story, Awakening was to be Nintendo’s last if not a major success. It was a hot mess still with a mixture of old ideas. Kaga is a giant more than the entire company. So i give him credit despite his fine and legal oppression. Popularity does not mean quality, nor respect. Pokemon has unending shows and merchandise pumped, but where is the quality?
Another point, Kaga’s material is only official in Japan, while FE releases world-wide after and Nintendo could still not make the same numbers at home. They were on a decline.
He didn’t give up anything and fame is not his motive. He just wants to do what he loves. Nintendo is about fame money and rights. Kaga clearly points, if he had been fired for any choice he made, he would make his death bed then live without creating. Under Hiroshi Yamauchi, there was much sacrifice in his tenure. Gunpei Yokoi at least gave him the ability and space to get everything in possible.
I doubt kaga could have predicted how the series was going to go. He made a new game and was planning a sequel while Nintendo was scrambling to make a meager Fuuin no Tsuruji. I doubt the man could draw off the series. I don’t see any evidence of any FE features input from 6-13 in the past 15 years.
This looks pretty goddamn awesome, but I fear SRPG Studio’s performance issues is gonna hinder the game big time. Hopefully by the time its out someone improved either the engine or the game.
That poor Wyvern Knight’s spear flip looks so badass and bad at 12 FPS…
The battle animations, I think, need to be fleshed out a little more, but it definitely looks like the right mix of new and old RPG aesthetic style. I hope the battle mechanics are on par, too. It was a little jarring to hear vocaloid music though, lol.
I remember him saying that he was least interested in boasting graphics. That was my turnoff as well but once i seen the first trailer all negatives were buried.
Well not being made for profit its easier to use a Vocaloid for a team of 15 than it is to hire a singer, as one of them might already own the program.
to be honest, i don’t think it looks particularly good… visually it’s pretty ugly and the level design seems cluttered and messy… but i mean it’s not out yet so who knows, i’m still looking forward to it. hopefully i can still read it with my limited understanding of kanji
Kaga being an author and all, uses thick, deep, and very uncommon highly proficient Kanji. Like an english professor using big words. The writers Masaki Kajishima and Naoko Hasegawa are the same in respect.
I could not get through awakening. It felt like chore. They still didn’t change the formula in iF, but at least there is some new dynamics between each chapter like in Radiant dawn.
Ugh, not fond of the music at all. In general, I’m not really feeling this. But then again, I’m not as much of a Kaga admirer as some others are. The only Kaga-FE I consider outstanding is probably Seisen no Keifu.
But I’m still interested in trying this out, so hopefully someone will work on an english patch.
I was not a Kaga fan at all at first, but now I cant resist anything he touches. For instance, TearRing Saga, suffered from the gameplay soundbits, but the actual soundtrack he produced was almost full ochestral thus making it ear soothing. It was very hard for me to try out pre FE7 music from Tsujiyoko, but I think she was as good then as ever despite the chiptune noise.
what is software going to run on? Mobile, Computer?
I wonder if theres any way to update the game without heading to the ingame store. Feels wierd having to use the store in order to play dlc I’ve already bought.
I’d be lying if I said I don’t have any expectations, but at least I’m glad (I hope lmao) he’s having fun with his creation and is proud of it? After all no one is forcing him to make it different than he wants it to be, and I’d rather play a little game made with heart rather than a big, flashy game made by a studio that only wants $$$ out of it…
Cotton candy made by a professional craftsmaker is still cotton candy, but it’s also still made by a professional 😀
I think it would be cool if Kaga would release these games internationally with translations too, these games are fun, but it’s hard for players with little to no japanese knowledge.
Glad that Kaga san is enjoying himself. It will be great if the fans can set up a donation campaign or something in which I will definitely donate myself, though i guess Kaga himself might not endorse such act as judging from his tone he will likely think this could change the nature of his project a bit?
I like Kaga’s humble analogy. He is pouring a lot of sugar into this cotton candy, and I’m sure there is some crunchy spots. I’m hoping to get diabetes from this delicious treat. what is the email people are using to send him emails? Is it the zeek info one on the blog?
I figured it was Saitoh behind the music. It was too reminiscent. Though, it is likely there are other musicians, and I’m hoping Yuka did some part of it. I know Minako Seki was probably busy.
These brief short Q/A felt like a 9 year old kid was trying to get the beans out of him. Kaga answered like he was speaking to a child.
Character sidequests is possibly the best fun feature i could never dream of. Following the lives of a particular character without having to drag the entire army is definitely like in real war. Hopefully, thats the way it is in the game.
Has there been an official soundtrack release for an indie game before?
Why does it look like the Black Knight at the bottom and the character above is from the extra artwork the blog from 5 years ago.
Kaga must have confirmed some information to his fans via email. Unless the questioner pressed his luck by just stating it was HIroto. Like if we were to ask Speilberg when can we expect your new films soundtrack from Williams…?
“At first, “Holy War” was going to be a squad based game as mentioned before. But, as development went on, the GAME DESIGNER highly recommended we make a romance game (that was popular in those days). And so… […] It fit perfectly. (Laughs). He also loved Horse Racing… […] Because of that, we suddenly decided during development, “Let’s add a romance and inheritance aspect to this!” (laughs). Everyone was like, “Whaaaat?!” at the announcement of sudden change. (laughs).”
From what I gathered, Seisen no Keifu is also on its way to the Japanese New 3DS eShop. Whether or not it will be released alongside this however, I have no idea. Any Wednesday now…
I think they’re doing that so it could launch quicker, so that way US and EUR can be on the same schedule for DLC.
Maybe that festival DLC will have the same launch date for both regions
Not sure why English speaking people from Europe and Australia are exempt despite the fact that they can still play the game due to technically being in the same region (PAL games or whatever)
Sorry, the promoter is Nintendo UK, hence why it’s restricted to the UK. I’d love to include more people if I could, but my connections don’t go that far yet : )
Autumn 2016 in what region? In which months the release date for the RD artbook could be? Thanks! I want to buy both Tellius artbooks together. This is a dream coming true for me. Now that we also have the OST, all that’s left is a remastered 1080p collection of the two games for the NX or Wii U. But since Zelda TP is the only remaster Nintendo ever made for a home console, this is very unlikely to happen. Also, an Elincia or Black Knight figurine would make me cry. The best two games in the series for me.
Good catch! I fixed the translation up a bit. I missed the “trator” in “illustrator”, and so fixed it to better reflect “the one who drew the character designs” (aka, “character artist”)
No worries, poor Taeko Kaneda wasn’t swept aside! xD
So, this is more similar to the “Making of” book? Lot of text and some pictures? Oh… I wanted to buy it, but if this have more text than picture, then I will pass since I don’t know japanese, but I hope someone share the important info!
Did they really put “the designer” in the original text, because Nintendo would sink so low not to mention who. I have the books and was looking through, and could tell that they were keen not to put his name even when it was necessary. They rather chose to put some guy who was working with us. We don’t here from the other director either?
It will probably be awhile, and there will be a few opportunities. Goodsmile’s site will have it on sale for preorder for a certain period, and then other sellers will get them after that. Or at least, that’s been my experience with figmas, anyways.
I feel the same! I’m hoping to get my hands on that Camilla scale as well, I loved both characters. And I’m sure it will have the Omega Yato, and maybe even another form as well! You never really know what you’ll be getting with a figma, just that it’s cool!
I’m surprised that Mikoto, Flora, and Charlotte are appearing in the drama cds while none of the royal sisters are even mentioned at all. Especially Camilla and Elise since they were placed pretty high in the popularity polls too.
Yeah, I found the latter weird. Perhaps there were scheduling conflicts? From the sound of things, there probably won’t be any more CDs after this (since they already offered the complete box).
It will depends entirely on sales, as always. If it sell well I suppose there will be another CD or Set for Revelations b/c this is mostly Conquest/Birthright.
*after zooming in on the low-res pics of the other character’s official art* Well I’m surprised Niles doesn’t have a more….sadistic looking pose? Plus it looks like we’re going to be getting some side-butt from Odin (freaking Zero in the way) and he has some pretty good legs there. I’m a thigh and ass-man and proud of it.
Interesting that Camilla is being distributed by Intelligent Systems, rather than empty which did Chrom. Perhaps IS wants to make their own figure line?
The way the difficulty will be done or at least how it is described is my personal experience from playing Blazing Sword for the first time and how many of the beginner’s traps I fell for. Would like to see how this game plays out since it is going for a more hardcore and niche fanbase.
Oh I really hope we can find out the character ages! I don’t know why but that would massively interest me, so I really hope that information becomes easily available.
Thank you for even agreeing to show screenshots at all, yet alone translating them. It sounds like we can find out all sorts of amazing things, and we all appreciate it 🙂
And oh wow, I didn’t realise you were the kantopia blog, I’ve seen many translations thanks to you so that’s really awesome 🙂
Thank you so much for the translations, oh wow the ages are really cool! I can’t believe how right/wrong I were with some, haha. Thanks again for all the work ^^
Yup, seems like it. By the way, they provided rough lifespans several years ago on the official Radiant Dawn background website.
“The Beast tribes have 5~6x the average Beorc lifespan, while for the Hawk and Raven tribes it is 10x. Herons live up to 1000 years and Dragons up to 2000 years.”
I like seeing unused stuff like this. That blue haired Stefan, the blue dress on Elincia, younger Calil, and the older Sanaki.
I also like how you have Ike fighting Elinica. Pure gold right there.
I’d preorder it again, but the last time I did that with the N Nendoroid, the shipping cost twice as much as the thing itself. I’ll just wait and see if a certain bookstore near me stocks it…
Naming your continent after a cheap Intel Processor… is STILL way better than not bothering to name the continent at all! Intelligent Systems, take note. Like really, Intel… Intelligent, they’re obviously speaking to you. Hehehe…
I…I didn’t even realize that Fate’s continent didn’t have a name. Of course I can barely care enough about the game to boot it up to play and my general feelings for the game are all negative, but still I would’ve remembered the name of the continent if it freaking had one. Can’t believe I didn’t notice.
Instead of a continent, we get two warring kingdoms, a “hidden” kingdom, and a bunch of random-ass, pointless smaller countries that no one cares about or even remembers.
I really hope this will become the Fire Emblem we’ve been waiting for since 2010.
Does look promising so far. I kinda get FE vibes from it, something the disgraceful new games could only dream of.
…Ignoring Fates’ gameplay. Seriously? Yeah, the story sucks, and the characters are hit-or-miss, but the gameplay is pretty freaking good and blows Awakening out of the water. That’s why I invested over 100 hours into it- because I liked the gameplay.
I know asking someone who calls themselves an elitist in their profile to use logical thinking and not accentuate the negative is pretty freaking stupid, but so am I sometimes.
In all honesty, not much is needed in order to surpass Awakening. Hell, I’d even argue that Shadow Dragon is the game I had the more fun with of those two.
I only played Nohr since Hoshido looks just about as shite as Awakening, but even disregarding all the pandering to waifufags I’ll be damned if the gameplay couldn’t have been better. Why are there a million different skills you have to keep track of? It was always better when classes had either one or no skills, which didn’t require me to spend ten minutes checking every enemy on the map to see if an anomaly could be found and leaving it safe to move. Where is the rescue command? I’m not able to rescue chain anymore, which is partly impossible already because of the exclusive absence of canto. The pair up mechanic is slightly more balanced with the tweaks and the fact that enemies can use it too, but I still think it’s inferior to rescue since it protects one unit and buffs another without any real drawbacks. The whole ‘join-in-to-attack-while-standing-next-to-each-other’-thing is pretty dumb as well, though I suppose it’s one of those things you just have to get used to. Why is it still possible to grind on higher difficulties? Why is it still so simple to promote units? Why was weapon durability removed? Why was the weapon triangle reworked? Why are strategic elements from previous games completely omitted?
The fact that Fates reversed some of the terrible things Awakening did doesn’t make it an amazing game.
There are different strategic elements in play. Yeah, you can’t rescue chain- but you can do similar things with pair-up. And there’s an obvious drawback to pair up- it’s nowhere near as broken as in Awakening, meaning you actually have to decide whether to go for damage or pair-up for defense.
The skills offer greater differentiation for classes and units.
It’s been this simple to promote units in the majority of titles- heck, the localized version of the Radiant Duelogy made it even easier by units auto-promoting at level 20. But apparently not having class-unique promotion items is a flaw?
Weapon durability was removed because they wanted to try something different with weapon effects. The new weapon triangle is due to magic and bows being oddities outside of it in the past.
You’re complaining about older elements not returning and criticizing newer ones for seemingly no reason other than them being new- despite there being more opportunities for strategical depth in them.
There are plenty of things I don’t like about Fates, but there are plenty of things I do like about it as well- and if you want to keep nitpicking things because they’re not exactly like they were in the past, I’ll just call you out and defend the things that I feel are worth defending.
Most of my questions were rhetorical, I do know the ‘reasoning’ behind stuff changing, though that doesn’t mean it’s nitpicking on my part. Seriously, am I in the wrong for being vocal about my favourite game series changing? That certain elements I used to enjoy now are gone or replaced by something else? I may be conservative by nature, but hell if I’m not enjoying FE turning into a generic JRPG, and there is no way I’ll agree that changing so much of an established formula is the way to go.
Not having class-unique promotion items is indeed a flaw. Take FE7 for example. You get a lot of units in this game, which means that you obviously can’t use them all. That’s why you go for a smaller group that you want to use, but you also need to make sure that they all get experience and promotion items, so you have to favor certain units over others. So you used both Oswin and Sain, but you know there is a distance between the first Knight’s Crest and the second one, and you have to decide who to give more kills. This simple concept of smaller rivalries between characters changes how you tackle chapters. Shit, when you can grind endlessly and get them both to 20 anyway it doesn’t really matter. Everyone using the same item to promote means you can just stock up on a few and promote whenever you’d want without really thinking about it. In PoR and RD you got BEXP as another resource to manage which meant you had to play as efficiently as possible, which also changed how you tackled chapters. I’m not saying this is a flaw exclusive to Fates, but it could’ve been better dealt with.
I’m confused however. Your tone implies you have played older FE games, or at least the Tellius games. If that’s the case, how could you possibly argue for Fates being so good? You’re saying that I’m writing off newer elements and talking in favour of older ones, but surely, since I have actually played every single game in the series (bar Gaiden, at least to a certain point), wouldn’t it be me who can objectively say that the gameplay in Fates is not the best in the series? Or maybe I’m actually too biased?!
Keep in mind however that something new isn’t necessarily better. To me it’s more of a headache than a fun experience to consider pair up and skills when in the midst of combat. I can see why people starting with Awakening/Fates would find it fun though.
I never said it was the best in the series- you’re putting words in my mouth. Having played every localized title, I’d place Fates dead center- better than Awakening and FE8, about on-par with RD and FE7, with PoR and SD as my top two.
The problem is there’s no “objectivity” to things- it’s 100% your opinion. The metric of objectivity is being misused here for something subjective.
It’s an objective fact that living creatures need nourishment to survive. It’s not an objective fact that Toyota is better than Ford. Your specific definition of Fire Emblem is not shared- nor is anyone else’s, for that matter.
For example- you obviously put a crapton of stock into unique promotion items. Having been fairly active within the fandom, you’re the first person I’ve seen who’s said that.
You’re acting like fans of the older games can’t enjoy the older ones, and are asking for respect well simultaneously self-labeling as an elitist and putting words in my mouth.
Well, I have nothing else to argue for regarding that then. The fact that you praised the gameplay so much made me assume it was your favourite game.
Yeah, that’s the thing though. I have absolutely no qualms about you enjoying this and that, but I’m confused as to how that is possible, seeing as we’ve shared the same experiences and therefore should be able to relate to a certain extent. Either that or we play the games for different reasons, which would be very likely seeing how you ranked the games. From a gameplay perspective I’d say that FE4/5/6/12 + RD are all better than Fates. They all have some of the richest strategy the series has to offer. I’d recommend you to dive into the emulation scene and play those with translation patches. Maybe you could understand me better then.
But man, loosen up a bit. I never asked for any respect either; what good would getting that from a stranger online do? I mean you seem pretty clever too, unlike other deluded people who think Awakening is gods gift to mankind.
Every game in the series has it’s own merits and issues- FE7 and RD both have stories that have almost as many issues as Fates, for instance.
I’m gameplay first- SD was my first game, thus I really appreciated it’s back-to-the-basics design and minimalistic feel. Path of Radiance I’d say is the pinnacle of 2nd Era FE (1st being Kaga, 3rd being NME onward)- that said, it’s pretty generic, overplays the fantasy racism, and Ike has Stu qualities that nobody seems to call out anymore.
I’ve read a lot of critiques of the Judgral games, and spoiled myself there- FE4 could be cynically described as so much Shakespearean melodrama, and it has major balancing issues of it’s own. FE5, while being probably the most solid in the series from a written standpoint, seems to be pretty much hell the first time through without a walkthrough.
FE12 started all the player pandering issues, and FE6 is Dark Dragon 2.0.
You’re being way too judgmental- you say you have no problem with me enjoying Fates, yet state that those who like Awakening are deluded. Yeah, I came onto you hard at first, but I also think you could loosen up a bit yourself.
I understand where you’re coming from- I myself was incredibly cynical and negative during the period between Awakening’s and Fates’ localized releases. I just got over it and ended up enjoying Fates quite a bit- it has it’s issues, but I’d still say it’s a good game. Not a “Great” game, but definitely a good one.
Hold on now. Granted, the story in RD is not as great as PoR, but it’s definitely intricate and I’d say it’s better than Fates and miles ahead of Awakening. People argue that it’s full of plotholes while in reality that really isn’t the case.
And yea, while story is important it won’t ruin the game for me. The story in SS was subpar but that’s not what I’m going to look at when talking about SS. On the other hand PoR and RD was made infinitely better not only due to the compelling gameplay, but because of the interesting story which included characters that felt like they actually had stakes in the conflicts that were going on. People can talk all they want about how the characters in Awakening and Fates are better because they are oh so quirky and have tons of dialogue, even though in the end it feels like the supports came right off the factory conveyor belt since each character has to get hitched with every member of the opposing sex.
Regarding FE6 it’s important to look at how the game came to be and during which time. It was the first game in a new generation of FE, on a whole new platform which not everyone played on, unlike their famicoms. It was also the first game without Kaga on the team (speaking of him, you should try out vestaria saga). There were so much potential for the game to flop, but it played amazingly and allowed two more games to build upon the same engine. There is a lot of content too, and most chapters are quite different from each other which strengthened the gameplay. Of course, the branching paths in Ilia and Sacae was fun too and made it feel like the players choice actually mattered. It was also here that supports arrived. For all it’s worth, I feel as if FE6 doesn’t get the respect it deserves.
The 3-5 star HMs in SD are absolute cancer, just like in Awakening. That’s my biggest critique and broke the whole game for me since I don’t play on the easier difficulties. But dude, before basing your arguments on what other people say, I’d still recommend you to play both FE4/5 so you can form your own opinions on them. The best game in the series is also the one that sold the least, Thracia 776. It’s unbelievably dense and not easy at all, which for a lot of fans is exactly what a FE game should be, mainstream appeal be damned. Same thing with SMnN, you say it began the pandering while in reality it is nothing like either Awakening or Fates, it only looks like SD but is far superior to that game too (but I see what you’re trying to say). Sadly, a lot of people see FE stacked against Nintendo’s strongest IP’s and think it’s worse since it sells less and doesn’t have as much mainstream appeal. But damn, considering that it took until 2008 to finally release a dud game, I think it just goes to show how strong the series is.
Yes, that is because while Fates is at least bearable, Awakening is not and is for me one of the low-points in the series. I seriously despise the direction the series is heading towards and I fully expect the gameplay to eventually come second to everything else. My dream would to get something akin to the Jugdral games or the GBA games again, not only because I prefer the art in those games but also because I find the gameplay to be much tighter and more interesting than both Awakening and Fates. Since you said you prefer gameplay and enjoyed the minimalistic aspect of SD you really have no excuse not to try at least one of the games I recommended previously. I can assure you it’s far more fun than micro managing dozens of annoying skills.
(had a rough week at work, sorry for not responding earlier)
I have a large backlog + life. I have plenty of excuse not to dive into the legal grey area of emulation.
And skill micromanaging is no worse than inventory management, and while I find the latter enjoyable the former adds some genuine depth to things.
I’ve done pretty much everything but play the Judgral games- I obsessed over them.
You want to know where I first heard the gameplay criticisms of Thracia? An FE fan who had been with the series since Elementary school age and had played every single game in the series besides FE1 and Gaiden- with Thracia being the only one he hadn’t played multiple times.
Radiant Dawn.. oh, RD.
Blood Pacts are just so freaking arbitrary and serve to just railroad the plot. The whole Ashera stuff could’ve been foreshadowed a hell of a lot better.
And then there’s Ike- an already borderline Gary-Stu turned into a pureblooded one that usurped one of the most promising lords the series ever had.
It’s like FE7- sure, it’s “complex”, but there’s fluff over top of major underlying issues.
Vestaria Saga looks like the SNES FE that never was- it’s purely old fashioned. I ideally want a mix of old and new. I have even less of a reason to prioritize it due to a lack of a translation.
Honestly, your rampant usage of hyperbole (“pure cancer”? Seriously?) and willingness to label people while openly proclaiming yourself as an elitist just makes things feel uncomfortable.
Tatsumi Kimishima straight-up said FE is now a major IP- plus, I never saw anybody claim that the series “isn’t good” because it wasn’t a top seller.
Honestly, I don’t feel like continuing this anymore- we have different opinions, good day.
Just FYI, they explicitly said that for Mario you only have to pay once. The in-app purchases tag is displayed on nearly every app that may ever have a need of it and is set up to support it. So, in all likelihood, that’s there to potentially support an expansion later on down the road, like new levels and whatnot.
Um Beatrice’s profile might be a mistranslation. I think it was supposed to mean that she acted as Zeid’s mother figure before she got married to Lytton.
Fun stuff, although I’m not sure the fanart picture needed to be that big for a front page news. It’s rather obtrusive and could use a good crop or resize.
The Japanese fans, and the Cipher community in general, are much less strict about spoilers than the international community, in my experience. Chances are, if you’re looking at the Cipher feed, you’re willing to take that risk, but for here, I would prefer to err on the side of caution rather than accidentally spoil something for someone.
So with Ryoma’s blade sticking out the side, apparently locked with Xander’s blade, I’m guessing there’s a true, full 8 card panorama of the siblings with Xander and Ryoma in the middle
You’re absolutely correct. There’s a teaser for the full 8 card panorama in one of the earlier news posts. I’m tempted to say it was shown during the previous livestream event.
any word on why its taking so long to complete FE Fates Data “miscellaneous” & “Chapter/map/boss” (for each of the 3 paths)? 🙁 im hoping its because everyone is so absorbed in the game & Not because the fanbase don’t give a Sh*^ anymore.
(to all the whiny fanboys who bitch about “FE isnt FE anymore”, im a Resident Evil fan.. i know what it looks like to see a franchise throw everything defining it out the window.. & that IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to whats happening to FE. F@~ing drama queens)
It would be nice if they actually had some male figurines for once. We’ve had Lucina, Tharja, Cordelia and now Camilla. Apart from a heavily warped Chrom and Marth figurine, the only decent male figurines we’ve had have been from FE4, and even then there were more female than male released…
Dood you forgot about Amiibos man. You can burn me for not being full-size figure, but they are at least very nice. I will agree though that lack of bigger scale figures are not in the male variety. Hope to be proven wrong though 🙂
Whoops! I’ll give you that. I knew I was missing some. I kinda count them, but still, no more detailed figurines for the male side is still sad to me, especially with Marth and Ike being everywhere for Fire Emblem :/
Yep! I’ll be the one translating it and will note down your requests. On Day 1 I will hopefully get all that profile info out for the characters. (Though, Ike, Mist, Soren and Sothe have ages listed in FE9 already, so can just add three years : ) )
I’ve been to two different Gamestops in the last week, and each one had an abundance of Robin amiibo on the sale floor. I would just check with your local Gamestops and see if they have any. It’s worth a shot.
My guess is we’ll probably get an HD Port for the Switch. Or maybe a 3DS port. I’d honestly love to see Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn remastered w/ Fates Graphics – and maybe add in grinding for the players who aren’t as good, but like to think they are. *looks at self in mirror*
Besides, having each character a specific class again would be good, but then give us like free DLC skill scrolls that allow people to get a strong start.
I think they would be weird because the character icons aren’t detailed due to the screen size so it would be weird to see them larger on a tv. Still cool it got ported though.
Despite having played through Shadow Dragon multiple times on the DS, I’m going to buy this release just to see if it encourages them to do the same with New Mystery of the Emblem…even though I know that won’t happen outside Japan.
does anyone know of any way to get a hand on a pre order of the official guide book vol 7 ? its sold out on Ami-Ami and I didn’t get to order one because I was head deep into exams T_T
If it’s going to play like a typical FE game in any capacity, I wonder if it’ll look more like the style of the GBA/DS games, since a game with Awakening/Fate’s level of models and such would probably kill battery life on a phone.
I will see what I can do. That booth was the most popular of the Industry booths. I’m not sure what they’ll have tomorrow, but if you send me a request in the next few hours, I can stop by tomorrow and try
THANKS A LOT !!!!!! I’m trying to get the players box character and pixel set.
If you are able to help me just tell me at which bank account I should deposit the money.
Now that they have this – can everywhere else get the last two DLCs for the game – Nohrian Festival of Bonds and Hoshidan Festival of Bonds? Intelligent Systems plz.
My guess is that since the game’s story is based on the player’s decision, a true ending is difficult to sum it up in the manga so Nintendo decided to stop it because of that…..
Honestly, FE as a manga should be its own thing rather than basing it on the main games like how Sonic is different in the Archie Comics unlike his main games…
It’s not that surprising. They didn’t even bother getting Kibayashi for the DLC content. I guess their cooperation didn’t work out that well, like suggested by many of the oddities of the story in the final product (the Fates game itself), unlike what they claimed in interviews.
May was a quiet month? Did you miss that new translation of Genealogy of the Holy War? You know, the first 100% translated and polished one, released on the game’s 20th anniversary in May? The one that actually has a translated opening and epilogue? The one on your own forums? Really? That was kind of a very big deal.
Hot DAMN! Good thing my brother wanted to get a Switch for Breath of the Wild, now I have to contribute to it and we can get it together to save some money in our individual wallets. Here’s hoping it’s as good as Hyrule Warriors!
Exactly how does this strategy series translate into a 3rd person button masher?
Ah doesn’t matter, only $$$ and the fact that every game these days needs to have a DW spin-off matters, right?
Atlus didn’t have much room to shove FE characters into that game, but Warriors games can have upwards of 40+ characters. I’d count on seeing a lot of favorites from the series’ history.
I cant get rid of the possibility of them puting all your brothers of fates, plus the whole team of the Shepperds, plus the team of the idolsphere, and filling the rest with some Marth friends and be done with it.
What I expect is that they’ll fill the game with the “must-haves” from all the games (including Roy for the Amiibo support) then do their research on which of the fringe characters are more popular and make them available as paid DLC. I’ll happily pay extra for Nephenee, Boyd, etc.
A Fire Emblem game of some sort on the Switch was a foregone conclusion, so I was going to preorder the system anyway, but this reveal saw me at GameStop a couple hours before they opened this morning. My son and I have thought an FE / Warriors crossover would be a great idea since we first played Warriors Orochi Hyper for the Wii U, and I’m looking forward to this much more than Tokyo Mirage Sessions. (I greatly enjoyed that game, but the connection to FE was dubious at best.)
If like other Warriors games, flyers won’t be an option. Archers will behave just like you’d expect them to (better at attacking from a distance, not good for tight combat), and beasts will just be tanks. Warriors Orochi III Hyper for the Wii U involved bears, horses and such that you can ride, and they pretty much just bowled everyone over.
Using the recent and marketable titles is fine to start. No different than Hyrule Warriors really, with Mystery of the Emblem being Japan’s Ocarina of Time. Just give me Ike at some point and we’re good.
Dynasty Warriors is already basically a real time version of Awakening. Stat grinding and mindlessly moving your characters forward through an open field while killing everything in front of you. It’s like they were meant to be.
yeah, but seriously this blows. the swords shown in the trailer basically confirms that fire emblem 4 through 10 are going to be heavily under-represented, or just non-existent at all. It’s #FE all over again. Have fun with your game, waifu warriors.
Exactly. I had this exact conversation with someone else, and it seems very likely that the shit tier 3DS games will get at least half of the reps, if not more. I’m sure the gameplay will be fun, and I’ll still likely buy the game, but I can’t help but feel incredibly disappointed if Jugdral for example only get the lords or Alvis.
Whoa, you two, salty much? Have you [honestly] played any of the crossover Warriors games? (I still have a Gundam Warriors game for 360 with characters I’m unfamiliar with, and Hyrule Warriors is really stretching it thin.) They will cover a much wider range than just the most recent installments. Don’t toss your baby out with the bathwater, they are just trying to double down on their recent successes. Just give it a little time to see what the line up will be like before you trash it.
I’m so excited OMFG!!
FE mobile, more looks into FE warriors and possibly seeing how the roster goes, maybe their cards are coming internationally finally, and maybe even showing off their figures too! Maybe even more… Like perhaps a look into their next game? Or FE Fates dlc or inclusions into other games? The possibilities could be endless now that they’re a main Nintendo game series !
“We don’t need a Fire Emblem Fighting Game. That’s what Smash is for”-said my friend…..my braincells couldn’t have died any faster while reading that. Excuse me, but the majority of the fanbase and I actually want to fight using characters besides the 5 mainstream ones that people jerk off to.
Then going on about how FE won’t do well as a fighting series and it should stay as an RPG….again braincells dying.
It sucks though if its completely locked onto the Switch because I don’t see myself buying one anytime soon due to not have extra money for that stuff.
Since the Nintendo Switch is finally Region-Free, we can buy eShop VC titles from Japan. Of course I’ll be buying GotH and Thracia 776 when they come out.
Ehr… “Nintendo of Japan” does not exist. You should correct the text. Nintendo Company Limited (NCL) or Nintendo in Japan.
Nintendo of Japan is just wrong.
What a time to be an FE fan; 3 FE games this year with a main one next year. The Gaiden remake is definitely hype tho, will kind of show newer players what the series was like back in the day, and allows vets to experience Gaiden again but remastered. Great year for Fire Emblem.
Man idk about this, kinda disappointed in how it all turned out. Echoes has potential but I was never that big of a fan of Gaiden in the first place. Hopefully it will change my mind in due time.
Well, i didnt feel insulted, so its alright.
Echoes seems promissing, Warriors still meh, cant wait to see the new game, and Heroes looks just sweet.
Sad no american release of Cyper be mentioned…
20 minutes of genuine Major IP treatment for 4 games.
The Gaiden remake is so unexpected that now I’m seriously going to hope for a Jugdral remake too.
The mobile game aknowledge the existence of the entire saga, granting the ability to vote any character from any game in the prerelease event.
8×6 grid? That might’ve flown on old 2007-era dumbphones or Palm devices, but c’mon. Phantom of the Kill was a mess in a lot of ways, but it looked like a better adaptation of the 3DS FE style to smartphones than Heroes. Not all mobile games need to be dumbed down to two-minute affairs.
Gaiden remake is unexpected, but I enjoyed the original (despite the buggy translation) and it’d be hard to do worse than Fates.
they Did That… nintendo goin in and announcing 4 games within 20 minutes……. i’m not ready for this (gaiden remake is coming a day after my birthday !!!!)
Heroes looks adorable so I’ll download that and maybe play it once in a while. A Gaiden remake is really interesting, but if it just plays like another Awakening/Farts, I’m skipping it.
A game: *is announced, with literally no information as to the contents of it*
You: There is absolutely no chance I will like this thing that I know utterly nothing about
One thing I guess you didn’t notice was that during the part where Robin and Sabre are talking, it is fully voiced. Regardless, really cool analysis! :3
I think it’s cool that they added a new female villager. There’s likely more new characters added if I had to guess. Too bad her and Robin will have to be renamed in the English localization for obvious reasons.
IS, are you redeeming yourself?
A proper remake of FE2 that might even include an enriched storyworld and characters? No Snowflake-flavoured always-right completely worshiped Avatar in sight? Tasteful inclusion of original and new game mechanics? A North American release?!
I’m so gun shy with IS right now, it could be a trap… but all signs point to a redemption! Maybe IS has learned how to properly remake a classic.
…
NOW REMAKE FE1 & 3 AGAIN AND DO IT RIGHT! GIVE MARTH A PERSONALITY!!!
And do FE4 and 5 whist you’re at it.
(Anyone else reminded of the Pink Floyd song? Nobody? No one? Was it just me? Okay.)
I’m cautious, because I feel it maybe a trap. They know fans’ weaknesses are getting hopes up that they’ll buy the next game regardless in hopes its good. xD
(But I’m sure as a remake they have good things to work with. I’m more worried about the “brand new games” like on the Switch).
Oh it’ll be definitely a horrible joke of a game in which none of the women wear clothes (except where the government mandates that) and the land’s god is you, the avatar, a creature so infallible that even when making massive and blatant mistakes, everyone still worships and vests absolute power in you… oh, wait, that’s Fates…
What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… A bit like FE10 but the player designs the evil god and also we’re treated to a lot of exposition with characters blindly worshiping and waifu-ing the Avatar. We could even call it Children of the Corrin!
Of course I don’t think they’ll do that… but we will see.
Well, the only female character we’ve seen so far is Celica, and she wears as much, if not more clothing than in her original artwork (it’s placed differently on her).
As much as I like FE2, they would have to works really hard NOT to improve over the original.
It’s OK to be wary, (though Fates was excellent for anything non-story related. And even then, they had at least E for Effort.) but they really now how to sweet talk to us, you’ll have to admit.
“What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… “
Actually I think lots of people fit into your three categories. It’s just that people with complaints will always seem more vocal, since if you already like something there’s usually little reason to gush all the time about it. Whereas if you have a complaint you’d probably try and voice them in as many platforms as you can.
If you notice it’s usually the same like five people bashing Fates all the time. Nothing against them (I actually think they a have few valid criticisms), but I’m just saying they are not the majority you’d think they are.
It’ll be good to properly get to play through Gaiden. It’s probably the game that needed a remake the most out of every game in the series (since FE1 at least you could play FE3 Book 1 before Shadow Dragon came out). I’m also liking the art style for the game, seems like it’d be a good one for FE to stick with for a while.
FE Warriors I really wanted to hear more news about, but upon further reflection, this is about the same amount as we had for Hyrule Warriors at the start, so I shouldn’t complain too much, you’ll probably get bits about it throughout the coming months up to its release.
FE Heroes I’m not personally interested in a game, but it representing FE as a whole gives me hope for FE Warriors, and we have English names for every playable character, some NPC’s, and subtitles that we didn’t get. They even acknowledged FE7’s subtitle for once!
Hidari is apparently the artist for the Atelier series and Fractale. I was wondering why the artstyle looked so familiar. I really like his style for this series and I hope he’ll do future entries. I’m actually quite a big fan of Kozaki’s art in general but it was really overstylized for FE.
This is just my opinion, but I really feel like this artist is a proper balance between the older games’ classic feel and the more modernized anime style of character designs. It’s a really, really good choice.
Hidari also done the Toukiden series, which further proves how capable she is on designing battle ready characters that have great mixture of practicality and style. Her overall aesthetic and design sense sits in the middle between Senri Kita and Yuusuke Kozaki for me, which is great. I could even said that Hidari is a non shoujo versio of Senri Kita (with better design sense on armor).
Kozaki was great in FE Awakening because he was allowed to show his default design sense that rely on realistic side more. It become a mess in FE Fates where he was forced to make his design more fantasy than he could (he already struggling with making his realistic aesthetic to become more fantasy in FE13). It was really bad for Kozaki because since he got a lot of shit for it while all the problematic design we have in the previous two games were the result of the art director.
Small correction: Hidari was ONE artist for Atelier, specifically the games for the Dusk trilogy. Before those, Mel Kishida did the art for the Arland trilogy, and the newest set of games has yet another artist.
That said, I agree that Hidari’s more subdued designs fit FE much better than Kozaki’s (can’t wait for what he comes up with for No More Heroes 3 though). In fact, the color palettes remind me of the PoR/RD designs.
Great as usual Vincent! It may be worth nothing to fans who are unfamiliar with it that the original Gaiden lacked weapon durability which inspired Fates to do the same. I only bring this up since I was asked by a lot of fans whether it would include weapon durability or not. xD
The three swords will probably be some tome-based limiting mechanic, indipendent from stamina, for arena (there is no stamina cost shown in the arena screen) or some other mode.
The “flame” icon could represent dragonstones, since we know Manaketes are in, but stones are not shown anywhere else in the weapons schematic.
I would second this notion based on other mobo games i tried. They function akin to Stamina but are only used for “special event” maps (eg. 1 run on an event map cost 1 sword and 1 sword regenerates every 2 hours).
Looking at one of the screenshots on the website that shows a list of characters, yeah the flame is used for manaketes. Red>Green>Blue>Red. Basic color triangle stuff. Although seeing that Archers, Clerics, and Ninjas use a grey icon, I guess they aren’t effected by the triangle, but can’t gain the bonuses from using it.
Exactly, let’s just hope we can get a GOOD Fire Emblem with a story and supports conversations like PoR + a long and difficult game like RD. With this and a Metroid game, I get a Switch in no time.
I’m actually pretty excited for this even though I’m usually not too big on mobile games. A magical gun that shoots out a waifu (…and a Chrom)? An assault waifle? Sold.
Holy Shit..
Is this a trick or is Intelligent Systems actually reaching out to the veteran fanbase?
That’s a step back on the path of radiance, now do not mess up.
I don’t want to see aaaany cheese or bad character designs.
That does beg the question obviously Tiki would be split into 2 characters being a significant age difference but its 2 years between PoR and RD are they just gonna do one central new artwork or will it be split for each returning character from PoR I kinda hope not cuz that be a lil’ silly
My guess is for the central artwork like they did with Ike (who looks like the Ike from the 2nd part if the game). For Jill I don’t think they will do a “young” version (well if she get to be in the game) but I’m curious for Mist, Rolf or Marcia who got some things changing.
True, people Jill, Volke, Nephenee, Oscar, and Geoffrey don’t have much different but Mist, Ike, Sothe Marcia, and even Boyd are a noticeable difference. Guess we will have to wait and see.
I hope to Christ that it’s 8-4. Some of the support in Awakening were kinda dumb, but almost all of the ones in Fates were just bland. Like- only a meager step above Radiant Dawn.
I want FE4 and 5 more than anything. 4 in my opinion is the best game in the series. Here’s also hoping the localization is actually half decent unlike Fates
the added feminine unit with bangs looks exactly like the villager Effie (compare the sprites and you will see) but it seems like she was promoted into a mage
Yup, I was reminded of that as well, but I didn’t want to make the article bigger than it already is, haha. I totally forgot about Noba and Dain being siblings though (it was super late when I was writing this).
I think ourself (the guy in white and gold robe) can’t fight,because all i saw was he summoning unit,and second the gun hole looks like a keyhole in a door,maybe that gun was the thing for summoning.
I’ve voted for Ayra from Genealogy of the Holy War. She started or popularized the Swordmaster class. We need Genealogy of the Holy War representation.
Ewww, are they getting rid of a separate Magic and Strength stat again? Under HP, it just says “ATC” (probably for “Attack”) before “TEC” (Technique, or Skill). Ugh…
Also, I don’t like the new studio’s animation. It’s choppy and weird. The art takes a pleasant direction, though.
Boey without his red hair is also really, really wrong… he started it! He started the trend!
And as for Effie… if there is an avatar character in this game (there may or may not be), I think it might be her. Starting out as a villager so you can choose what class you advance to would be a neat way to make the unit personalized as well as appreciate their growth. The fact that there is a new character whose name coincidentally sounds like the letters “FE” read aloud seems too convenient not to mean something. (I also want the female version of a player character not to be considered “non-canon” compared to the male counterpart for once…)
Who wants to bet we’ll start finding it on Amazon/eBay over the next couple months at skyrocketed prices?
Who wants to bet we’ll all fight for it anyways?
Goddamn stamina meter. Whoever designed that mechanic in mobile gaming should be shot. I hate mobile games that only let you play for 15 minutes every 4 hours just so they can try to trick you into spending $5 so you can play for another 15 minutes.
I was really looking forward to a Fire Emblem game on my phone, but now it looks like I’m not going to play it at all.
Whoa, I’m honestly shocked that Lyn is leading the polls. That’s great though, it means the original fanbase is not as small as I expected. I’m gonna put in some votes down for her because I really wanna see her win.
The Nostalgia goggles are fierce in this poll. I kinda rooted for Hector over Lyn, but I’m glad to see Elibe get such high praise at this point. Elibe games haven’t had much love from Nintendo in a long time.
Well, excuse me for having different tastes. If anything, really bad experiences with her dying to axe users, super crap defenses and her ending if she doesn’t marry Eliwood or Hector thus erasing any trace of Caelin in FE6 although that part can be understood due to the fact that she didn’t exist in FE6. Tutorial “lord” who held your hand though her entire tutorial, err…story. I’ve been very wary of Myrmidons and speedy units ever since.
Wow. I ask an honest question, because I’m genuinely curious whenever someone has an unusual opinion, and you decide to be rude. By replying in such a crabbyway, you’re only encoiraging people to bite your head off whenever you state said unusual opinion.
My bad but the classes in general (Myrmidon/Samurai/Swordmaster) have let such a bad impression on me that I can hardly find anything good about them. “Encouraging people to bite my head off”? Like I care. I simply stated my opinion on the matter. It comes off a harsh and rude but it’s how I feel.
How the hell did your Lyn die to axe users? I mean, she’s not exactly up there on my list either (I’ve only been voting for FE4 characters haha), but seriously, I remember the weapon triangle being good in the GBA games.
Basically, her defenses are bad enough that even one hit is usually enough to slaughter her if she’s taken even one other hit the entire level, and knowing how much RNGs secretly hate our guts it’s quite plausible that at least one player has had Lyn get wiped by an unlucky shot – I lost Ogma my first Shadow Dragon playthrough to three consecutive axe hits that were all under 20% Hit Chance, so it’s believable.
“How?” Have you heard about the RNG? I’ve seen Myrmidons/Samuraiget hit and dying to axe users a lot to the point I even question the weapon triangle at times. Lyn in particular even died in the prologue once. For her I’d always just have her counter or having her attack and have a healer nearby. Hana and Hinata from Fates kept proving me right to dislike the class in general as they kept getting hit by maces and axes.
I’m all for Lyn, as I love Swordmasters (except where they were butchered in Awakening), and was super glad to have a Swordmaster Lord, but I would have preferred to have a non-Lord in the top 3 just to see the love (can we get some Nephenee love up in here?!?!)
I’d advise that they should vote for Ayra, the first Swordmaster. She’s the first on my list. She was at a time before Swordmasters were butchered. Compared to Lyn, she’s pure nostalgia. I agree that I’d rather have a non-Lord as number 1.
That’s cool I really like all 3 of the leaders but I also saw this coming its going to be very hard for some characters to make the list because they may not be central enough. I wouldn’t be surprised if only like Tiki or Tharja were the only non “lord” character on the list.
AGH
…This makes things difficult. I may have to take more drastic measures – like using my iPod, my brother’s iPod, my mother’s phone, both our home comps, my dad’s laptop, and my grandmother’s comp every day for votes.
Haha, probably not. In all realness, though, I was hoping for like, a Whitewing sister or something instead of just Smash people. Guess I’d better consolidate what votes I’ve got left for Roy…meh. Whatever. I’m splitting mine between two of Roy, Idenn, Limstella, and Palla for anyone who wants to lend a hand.
I think everyone’s kind of tired of Marth by now, plus we have lady Marth so it’s possible some of the male FE players who may have voted for Marth instead chose Lucina.
Wow I’m shocked at this. I knew Ike would be up there but Lyn and Lucina? They’ve already been in the trailer as in the game characters *shrugs* People vote for what they like though.
I think Nintendo plans to release almost if not all characters from each game as characters at some point or other. If you notice up above it says they’ll be given special costumes for the event, so it’s possible that everyone wants to see what kind of exclusive costumes either of those two will get – would Lucina get Masked Lucina as her exclusive, or perhaps her Yukata from the Hot Spring Scramble? What would they do for Lyn? I know I’m interested in seeing these “special Choose Your Legends costumes” particularly on characters that don’t see much love otherwise, like Palla, Idenn, or Limstella, but in the end, I’ll still fight for Roy.
Yeah, I’d figured they’d get special art, which I know people would love for their favorite character, but my logic is if they’re already in the game, then vote for one who isn’t confirmed yet (like me and Cordelia)
AH MAN I FORGOT CORDELIA
…There goes tomorrow’s vote. I was going to just vote for Roy, but then I remembered Idenn, then Limstella, then Palla, now Cordelia, probably remember somebody else I want by tomorrow, so meh.
Hopefully Ike wins by techincality, or at least 2nd place. Isn’t anyone voting for Radiant Dawn Ike? and Will the votes merge or will both Ike’s be treated as different characters?
This is what I want to know. Both my wife and I have spent all our votes thus far on RD Ike, so I would hope they are combining, but it seems not. I actually get tired of young Ike being pushed over the mature, literally cannot lose, true bad-A Ike.
Radiant Dawn is pretty cool since its Ike’s character coming full circle. but… I dunno, a lot of votes where thrown in on Radiant Dawn ike at this point. might as well keep going. though i do recommend switching Ike for path of radiance. HE IS at 3rd place already.
I expected Lucina to be #1 but seeing Lyn is equally disappointing for me. What about L’Arachel? Minerva? Tharja? Marisa? Micaiah? I dunno, I feel like there are other women in FE that would be more deserving than a character who we’ve already seen in the promo’s/trailer.
Minerva has been confirmed along with Tharja as both were in the trailer. Micaiah is likely I think since she’s a lord, La’rachel could be possible since healers are in the game (Wyrs in the gameplay trailer and Lissa in the opening, I also noticed Sakura in the background when they showed a lot of characters, she’s on the far left in the back) Marisa I would like to see but who knows tbh.
Micaiah is the Lord equivalent in Radiant Dawn, and thusly has Main Character status, which pretty much guarantees her inclusion. As for the others, there’s really no reason to believe Nintendo won’t at least try to add every character they can to get as many people as possible into this game because more players means more people to go buy the Orbs that probably won’t be all that common through regular gameplay.
Not to be “that guy” even though typing this will make me that regardless, Nintendo is not the one making this game. If my information is correct it’s DeNA.
Oh, really? I didn’t know that. I do still think the idea of adding every character they can to get as many people buying those Orbs as possible is still relevant, that just means who will Nintendo allow them to have instead of who will Nintendo choose to add.
Well it’s not like it matters much anyways since they’d just be special launch versions/cosmetics of the winning 2 genders. Still, I’d like to see people voting towards characters not seen on the covers ya know?
Hector >>>>> Lyn in that game! There are a lot of better characters in the whole franchise, but people still voting for the main characters. Lyn badass swordmaster? naaah the definition of a badass swordmaster is Karel.
Wants precious NOW!!! Also while Ike is in the group shot would like to see more PoR/RD in there or at least confirmation that you can get everyone from all games at the start
Knowing most Summoner-Type games, it’s doubtful everyone will be available as a possible first hero, and it’s also likely that certain characters will be purposefully withheld so they can be released later as part of exclusive events to ensure everyone rushes out and buys a bunch of Orbs so they can try to pull the rare hero while they can, so I’d say don’t let your hopes get too high or you may get quashed.
Yeah, it would. With other games like Brave Frontier and KHuX, I’ve seen them give you a way to look at what the full list of Medals/Units/what-have-you that you can get from each Summon Gate/Other such thing is, and I think they’ll at least try to do that here, but if not, then I guess we’ll just have to cross our fingers, eh?
I gotta say I’m very disappointed that Eirika is in the top 10 considering she is mediocre at best (as far as I remember), and she has the personality of a rock…And not a boulder in the ocean, but a pebble in a desert, so really bad….
Also sad to see Nephenee so far down on the list 🙁
How does having to train him make him not broken? Aptitude alone makes him shoot past everyone ridiculously early, meaning if anything he’s more broken when you consider he has to go through ten extra levels before he can start doing normal things as he gains like five or six stat growths every single level.
Except Donnel has a hard time just leveling up. His awful Str means that you’re dumping a Forge on him just so that he can kill enemies, and his awful HP and Def means that he requires a pair-up just to survive a single hit. And much of everyone in Awakening that joins earlier than Donnel starts cruising as soon as they get going. The difference is that none of them actually have to go through a “suck period” like Donnel does. This includes Panne, who has virtually identical growths to him even with Aptitude considered.
Ask anyone else at the forum on this site, and they’ll all tell you the same thing.
He’s not terribly difficult, he just requires a little more work than most others – all you need to do is ALMOST kill an enemy with somebody else, which is fairly easy if you have Champions of Yore or, as an easier route, EXPonential Growth as he can beat the Level 1 Entombed on his own with nothing more than a Glass Lance and they’ll level him up easily enough, not to mention he gets Armsthrift and insane Luck at the end of the day so you can give him all the best weaponry without fear of breaking anything you needed for a real challenge like Apotheosis. In the end he still outperforms many of the rest of the Shepherds – I’d take him over Vaike or Sully any day, for example, and, addressing your comparison to Panne, I would argue Counter is a better Skill than Lethality to pass on to any Female Gen 2 character as Counter is a Male-Class-only Skill while Lethality can be learned by any Child character provided you set the parentage up right, not to mention that I’ve found Donnel infinitely more useful than Panne for at least three-fourths of my twenty-odd playthroughs just from the Class Tree setups the two have.
Wait wait wait. If your a serious committed fan in the first place, and you don’t do some “nuz-lock” challenge (i’m referring to pokemon) where you set limitations on yourself like for example, no re-classing and no spamming Reeking boxes, and you actually take the time to make sure each character gets the best possible skills from their class trees, all character will end up having green stats across the board (maybe not resistance. FE produces hate resistance and give bull $hit growth rates every game)
Your even talking about USING DLC and if people happen to have paragon from Bloodlines 3, and EXPotential growth already as is, mine as well keep reclassing (while getting good skills in mind so stopping around lv10 if u just want the lv5 promoted skill or stopping at Lv15). At best i noticed once they’ve gained about 40-ish to 60 levels they will have green all across. So how many times you have to re-class, 3 right? Thats 60 levels plus the few if they come unpromoted.
You say “not terribly difficult”, and “a little more work” but playing on Lunatic let alone Lunatic+ and you don’t have the luxury to hold back or leave enemies half finished off. In fact starting from Lunatic onward, Donnel can’t get any damn kills with his low Str even with a forged lance. His skill is too low and he can’t land a hit with a % or 70 or lower and his speed makes him horrible at dodging. Seriously the chapter he comes on during Lunatic enemies already have Steel Axes and hit like 27+ damage and with his like 2 or 3 def they are going OVERKILL by like 5 points with his cheap HP. Even Kellam can’t save him with boosted 4/5 def from pairing. Donnel is an insult to characters like Nino and Est with high growth rates but near end-game entry.
First off, only the characters you use will have their stats straight up green, not necessarily all of them – as I mentioned, I usually avoid Vaike and Sully and I also generally skip Kellam, Miriel and Ricken because I usually find that other characters do what I would use them for but better, like Stahl, who outperforms Sully most of the time as a Swordmaster early on since he begins with a headstart on Weapon Strength and Astra is an excellent Skill to get for either Cavalier for late game, or my own Avatar, who does all the Magic stuff Ricken and Miriel does but better. Secondly, if you’re playing Lunatic, just obtaining Donnel is a marvelous feat and I commend everyone who pulled that off, but that’s part of why I mentioned using EXPonential Growth in the first place – it’s the same across the board no matter what difficulty you’re using. Also, you can’t really compare Donnel with Nino and Est fairly because Donnel arrives earlier in the story than Nino/Est and his Class setup is different not to mention you have the DLC for grinding whereas with Nino/Est you have no such bonus, so you need to treat them differently. Also, what’s weird about using DLC? You kind of sound like it’s some plague, but I’ve been using it to grind out for a 100% complete Support Log because it’s the easiest way, and I’ve needed Rogues and Redeemers 3 because I’m not quite ready to take Apotheosis on without Limit Breaker and I’m a bit of a completionist so I’m trying to finish every DLC episode, not to mention get every possible Skill on every character.
Really, in the end it’s a matter of preference as to Donnel’s brokenness, but I think that there are players who have ground him out and loved him and voted for him because of that, although it is possible that there are a bunch of people who were like “Look, we all know it’s going to be Lord-Spam Glory for the top list, so let’s at least try for ONE really out-there guy, like that one kid with the pot on his head.” so that’s another possibility.
Bro….your missing the point of what some of us are telling you. In fact your response to me was off topic. I don’t know how your interpreting what i said but first I don’t have a problem with DLC users. In fact i’ll come clean. I use powersaves/ActionReplay. I did a few play throughs the legit way when the game first came out but after i got AR i started putting Dragonskin on every character, armsthrift, and giving myself a bunch of stat boosting items plus infinite money. I prep teams just for spot-passing and taking on Apothesis. So all characters feel the same to me since i can put whatever skill i want on anyone.
Now the point some of us are trying to make is that Donnel isn’t broken/superior. His maximum stat modifier is +1 str, +3 luck, and +1 def. So compare him to a hero like Gregor. Gregor’s maximum stat mod is +2 str, +2 skill, and +1 def. This means that with all across max green, Gregor has 1 more str then Donnel, 2 more skill which for some skills can be like +1/2% activitation rates, where as Donnel only beats Gregor with 3 luck if all stats were green across. That means Gregor is a superior Hero becuz he has more stats that matter. Now say you make him Bow Knight. Gregor still has better stat maximums so who else can be a BK? Virion. His stat modifier is +2 skill and +2speed so as a bow knight, Yeah Donnel has 1 more str and def compared to V-man but Virion has 2 more skill and speed so again 1 or 2% more activitation rate and better dodge. Now say you make him warrior. Vaike’s modifiers are +3 str, 1 skill and speed. So as a Warrior with all green stats Vaike would have 2 more str and 1 more skill/speed then Donnel which are stats that matter. Donnel only beats Vaike as a warrior with 3 more luck and 1 more def.
Whatever class Donnel picks to end-game with, his maxed out stats still aren’t better then Gregor, Virion, and Vaike. Instead of the effort you put into raising Donnel,all you have to do is re-class those 3 guys and give them a few extra kills/levels so they can get all green. Donnel isn’t superior. In fact if anything, all 13 children characters are broken if you match up the right parents with their modifiers that they pass on and pick the right classes. Severa as a hero can hit like 51/52 skill depending on her father, Inigio can get more str/skill plus if you make Chrom his dad, get the Rightful King +10% skill, and…..well basically i can go on and on and on. Children are broken on this game. They are better than their parents becuz of how their stat modifiers work.
And all i’ve been talking about is stats. If i brought up skills even then Donnel isn’t that impressive. Virion can get 3 breaker skills, life taker, and whatever else you want making him an HP Dodge tank. Gregor has access to astra, axefaire, swordfaire, a breaker skill, and a variety of self-assist skills that make him great as Hero with +5 damage, and …..again i don’t need to bring up broken children. Putting aside his appearance, peronality, and whatever else people look at and think is great about him, objectively, he isn’t a great unit. Again, objectively, he is not a broken/superior/good unit. That is the point we are trying to make. Preferences is like a synonymous word for BIAS. You prefer him so you think he is good, but objectively he isn’t. His stats don’t match up, his skills don’t match up, and end-game after about 60 level ups, his growth rates don’t matter. If you like his personality thats fine. Or his looks. But don’t call him a broken/good character. He is broken but not in the good way.
Thanks for the zip file! Saved me the trouble of going through and getting each individual one myself 😛
Glad Ephraim made the top 10 of the males as I think he’s a very underused character. And Lyn nabbing the top spot of the female list is just awesome as she’s one of the first FE characters I’ve known about.
Lucina and Tharja are most likely suffering from LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) they would probably be able to beat Lyn singularly, but being both in the same pool split the Awakening fanbase enough to make Lyn come on the top.
On the other side Ike is simply a beast, even splitted against freaking HIMSELF, being able to be N°1 and N°5 at the same time.
The only Japan-only character is Roy, that has smash popularity, so obviously western votes were dominant, a testament to FE increased success in the western market and a global interest for FE Heroes.
Funny Dorcas at 18 in the male pool: is he genuine or there is some rallying around for a joke entry?
It should be Eliwood in second and not Roy…I really don’t see why people like Roy so much. His character is weak and this guy is the worst lord in the entire series.
We already have that thanks to Smash 4. As of the current results, they’re nothing but a huge embarrassment to the Fire Emblem fans who played most of the games.
Not to terribly surprised by this list sad theres no Jill on it but happy to see Nephenee and both Ikes with PoR Ike being at #1 and out of everyone Lute is hands down the one person I did not expect to see on this list
I know that feel bro, but hey if only Jill, Titania and Nephenee are included in the game, that’s enough to make me happy^^
But the fact that PoR Ike is number 1 is giving me faith for the FE fanbase!
Agreed be nice if they sectioned them off by series buy orbs for people from the Elibie series or the Tellius series otherwise it be really freggin random
ROY’S ALMOST THERE!!! HE’S NEARLY THERE! IT’S LIKE SMASH BRETHREN ALL OVER AGAIN!!! WHO WILL COME OUT ON TOP?!?!?!
Also, people still remember who Chrom is?!
If Owain hadn’t been in the top 20 I would have been seriously disgusted with the FE Community as a whole.
I don’t really get Ike and Marth being split, but I’m not complaining because otherwise Roy would have literally no chance of beating Ike looking at where Ike is on the list AFTER they split the votes, and Marth wouldn’t be too far behind since he’s so popular.
*This is where I put all the hate from my choices not being in the top 20.* But, seriously, where is Midori? I think Midori is a better character than Sakura.
Characters who aren’t key to the plot are usually at a major disadvantage. Children moreso, since not everyone recruits them. So it’s rather intriguing when you have characters like Owain and Severa make it to the top.
Owain has a bit of an advantage in that his extreme dramatism makes him more memorable. Hell, when he yelled out “IT GNAWS AT MY SOUL!!!!” my first thought was that I had to send a screenshot immediately to my old college roommate, as we used to do the whole fake-over-dramatization of everything.
Replace Eirika and Robin with Nephenee and Anna/Tiki and I’m happy.
Sad that L’Arachel didn’t even rank, but not really surprised. The massive influx of newbies only have two games to pick from, so they’re for sure going to get their picks in- but we veterans have the entire series to choose from. A lot tougher to get a unified front for who we want.
I’m also quite annoyed that the Black Knight is nowhere to be seen.
Everybody spam Nephenee to try and get her into the top 12- she’ll make the calendar that way.
Also- I think people are misunderstanding the vote- everybody is already in. Or will be. The main outcome of the votes are the top two getting special outfits and top 12 getting featured in the calendar.
Im in a bit of a weird spot. I am a relatively new fan, started with awakening, but I feel like a veteran trapped inside the body of a newer fan xD I mean, I havent played too much of the older games, as I sadly don’t own any consoles apart from 3DS and my emulator broke down in the mid of my FE7 run, but I do agree with like all the hate awakening and especially fates get. I love those games, but I’m sure Id lover the older games a lot more, if only I were able to play them, as I hate the whole waifu and grinding aspects of the newer ones… I’m rooting for Black Knight ofcourse.
I meant I agree with all the reasons people prefer the older games over them. Despite those things I still loved them as strategy games. I absolutely love them, bot I agree completely with people who hate on say, Corrin, bad story arcs, Camilla, petting, phoenix mode etc. This is why I think Id enjoy the older games more, which doesnt mean I dont like Awakening amd Fates, which I still enjoyed.
Probably Black Knight votes got Split between Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn…. I think he would surely win in a villains only vote!! I think Nintendo should Split the top heroes vs heroines and Top male and female Villains!!
Good Day,
I would like to advertise on your website serenesforest.net by posting a single link on the homepage or an article with two links in news, blog or forum section.
Guest post (article) can be made by your writers on any topic, or can be made by ours.
All payment we make via PayPal straight after the article goes live.
If you want to make a counteroffer – feel free to contact me.
Please inform me how much you want for such advertisement and if you have more than one website for such ads.
Thanks!
I think they should unite Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn characters votes it would surely change the list and also Marth votes!! As an Older Fire emblem fan Its a shame Fire emblem Super NES characters like Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia are not appearing in the list probably because they launched only in japan and are unknow to Western new fans!! Neverthless is a good list with variety from gba games!!! Awakening and Fates have the majority of the votes but they deserve it because they promoted the franchise to another level…. and because of that “tomorrow” we can enjoy FE Shadows of Valentia!!
Well, a fair number of them have already been in FE! Laura Bailey was Lucina; Sam Riegel was Donnel, Stahl, and possibly one other from Awakening that I can’t remember. Marisha Ray was Effie, Mikoto, and… Oboro, I think? Or was it Orochi? I always forget, but she was one of those two, in Fates. Liam O’Brien is perhaps most notably Inigo/Laslow, though he’s had some others, including Izana. And if we’re going way back to the early days of Critical Role, Orion Acaba was also in Awakening, though I don’t remember who exactly he was. So here’s hoping they all get to keep their roles for Heroes!
It disheartens me that Ike is actually there twice. I used to like him as a character, but it feels like he’s everywhere and too overrated. I don’t want two of the same character, especially since I don’t even want one of him >.<
Kiss any notion of FE6’s manaketes being standard goodbye. More likely than not there’s a manakete Sprite for FE6, FE8, FE9/10 (Dragon Laguz), FE11/12 and FE13. I imagine the Corrins will have their fates style dragon form as well.
Well most of my favorite characters are 11-20s so I guess dreams ded. gz to others
I can’t really remember, is there anything for people other than 1st place?
Also, I’m curious how the votes would’ve gone if more limited, because it feels like there’s a lot of Fates&Awakening characters here
I won’t say i’m shocked, cuz its more like baffled that Soren didn’t make it to the top 10. I knew there was meme going on with gender bender Soren with Ike and even without the gender bender alot of Yaoi shippers for those two so i figured some girls would vote him in, but putting that aside, Soren makes Robin look like a noob in terms of strategy and intellect. Robin made mistakes. Failed to predict the Risen during Emm’s execution and getting trapped in Fort Stiger by the turncoat rebels. Soren didn’t make any mistakes. And when the laguz leaders ignored his advice and messed up, he still fixed their problem. Plus the kid is HALF DRAGON. He was like the loli (or in this case shota) manakete. (referring to Tiki, Nowi, Myrrh, Fa). Maybe i’m too harsh on Robin or biast but i’m still baffled. I voted Soren at least +7. Also devasted Leanne (PoR or RD) didn’t make it. Who doesn’t like fiesty delicate looking angel girls? That girl had spunk challenging others.
At least a small control over the people you get is nice. Now just have to figure out how its sectioned off and then the hunt for my favorites begins ;P
Thanks for the catch. Capcom, not Nintendo, released Mega Man on mobile devices. That’s what I get for having just recent played the game on console and not paying attention to the opening banners
Sounds like you have to pay if you want a super specific team of characters (like how some people play Pokemon games), but can get by fine if you go with whoever the game generates. Pretty reasonable for FTP–kind of like a worldwide version of the TCG without the usual TCG nonsense. May throw them a few bucks just as a tip.
“Nintendo Treehouse is responsible for the localization of Fire Emblem Heroes. They’re pretty reliable.”
You’re joking right? If they don’t make the game a total mess, I could trust them a little bit more, but there’s no way I can forgive them for all these bad localisations they’ve done so far, with just a mobile game. If FE Echoes have a good localization, then okay.
Hey dude relax^^ I was just saying that the article seems to be really “cool” with Treehouse’s localization. I just want to believe they can do a good work like they used to. Now that the dust has settled a lot of people agree that Treehouse has made really bad decisions (censoring FE Fates more that it should have been and censoring TMS so much that it has barely anything in common with the original game(: and it flopped so hard) are the most known examples)
And Treehouse’s localization of Fates being bad is far from an unwarranted opinion, a lot of it is based in fact.
That Treehouse’s translation was inaccurate at times (actually quite often) is fact.
That typos persist in more than just a few occurrences throughout the English script is fact.
That Treehouse removed game content is fact.
That Treehouse scrapped and re-wrote entire segments of text to be completely different from the original script is fact.
That the English dub is poor actually IS opinion (although if you think it was good I’d have to vigorously disagree), but that the Japanese audio was cut out entirely is fact.
People have every right to criticize these choices, since these are all things that make for poor localization. And they should, because these things shouldn’t be acceptable. Treehouse has become synonymous with shoddy localization due in no small part to how they handled Fates, and mere mention of their name attached to a game makes many people worry about the game in question. Especially considering that they are Nintendo’s main in-house localization team and will work on a majority of first- and second-party software.
So what? We just wait and see games with more and more content removed? Don’t tell me that TMS#FE had a good localization, the localized version really looks silly compared to the original one. I know Nintendo is really slow with understanding what they did well or wrong but come on, just because we get a localization means we should be happy and thankful even if it’s crap? Starfox Zero/Metroid FF were the new games from series the fans were waiting for and it turned out these games were not what the fans were waiting for. But they should be thankful only because they got a game?
No, they’ve been pretty bad and deserving of such low expectations. I mean, personally I think it was disrespectful of Treehouse to hand me Fire Emblem Fates with cut content and a heaping pile of their own garbage on top.
Not looking forward to whatever they do with Heroes, a lot of these are characters who haven’t had the chance to be ruined by them yet.
Well some of us are enjoying the game, the skin skip was really an odd mechanic and the some of the clothes are really weird. I’m ok, with everything else in Fire Emblem Fates also.
The skinship feature’s controversy was a cultural differences thing. Personally I’m more of the mind that these things shouldn’t be removed, rather they should be embraced to show the differences between cultures, but regardless of how one feels about it the fact remains that it was an optional game feature which they decided to remove. The simple answer is that it was deemed to be too sexual in nature, so they nixed it (rather late into the localization process it seems, as digging through the English voice files will show you some that would have been included with the feature), since Treehouse seems to despise any form of even remotely mature content; even in a series as not-kid-friendly as Fire Emblem, which frequently deals with unsavory topics such as racism, genocide, murder, and even taboo sexual topics like incest and occasionally even rape.
And the reason why I believe that last point is because other cultural things that came from Japan, such as the lottery drawings, remained unchanged (Google “garapon lottery” or just “Japanese lottery wheel” and you’ll see what I mean).
And the reason for the removal of certain clothing options wasn’t because they were “weird”, tons of weird clothes still exist in the US version of the game. It was because they showed skin, plain and simple.
It’s great if you can enjoy it for what it is, but as someone who had been eagerly consuming all available news about the game since it was first announced, I had a very good picture of what I was missing out on between the JP and NA versions and it soured the game experience for me. And the reason why I don’t like the thought that criticizing their localization is “disrespectful” to them is because I personally think Treehouse themselves were pretty disrespectful to both the game’s fans and original creators when they decided what of the game’s original content the consumers are or are not okay with.
That’s the last I’ll say on the subject, as I already went through these topics way too many times around the time Fates first came out.
So yeah… Heroes. Honestly looks a lot better than I thought, especially as far as a mobile game is concerned, but I’m still cautious about it. I see all the standard mobage fare that, after playing a few different ones, set off a bunch of red flags in my mind. But we’ll see how intrusive those things are once the game comes out.
That’s still no reason to blame the treehouse for that. Like I said previously, don’t blame treehouse because they are told what to do. Blame the NoA division as a whole.
And I agree with @kingmarth64:disqus, its really disrespectful to blame Treehouse for all this kind of stuff. You’re pretty much asking Nintendo to cause them to lose their jobs for something that they were ordered to do so.
Also to note…I don’t see what Fire Emblem Heroes has anything to do with the treehouse. If they are the ones doing the localisation of the game, then it would simply be impossible to censor that game for them since well…its on mobile so unlike consoles, its not that simple to censor content.
They can’t mess with the game itself, since I believe it only has a single server (meaning that game content is going to be the same across all regions), but what they can easily do is rewrite things. The sole difference will be the text and language option, the English version of which Treehouse will likely have full control over.
An example of what may happen here would be how KLab Games’s English localization team removed and/or edited numerous conversations in the English version of School Idol Festival that depicted homosexuality, but they were caught because many fans play both the JP and US versions of the game and noticed the discrepancies. After some public criticism they apologized and fixed the translation to be more accurate to the original, but that’s something that I don’t see Treehouse ever doing with any of their issues. Because A, they hardly ever respond to anything, B, when they do respond they double down and get defensive, and C, they’ve had ample time to do such for games they’ve messed with in the past.
I was kind of more referring to TMS#FE than Fates (and the fact, that since Xeno X they seem to get worse and worse). I may be excessive, you’re right but when you look at these game and you compare them to PoR’s localization, you can see there’s a huge gap between them.
Treehouse is not what it once was. Now It seems like it’s full of 25 year olds trying to emulate their favorite Anime, not the original version either, the terrible dubbed version. Fates had one of the worst localizations I’ve seen in a while. I can’t wait until switch is out and the new Fire Emblem is released so I can get the PAL version and play it region free and Treehouse free.
Yeah but the Treehouse will (sadly) continue to localize these games, we’ll only have the japanese version to play. I just want Nintendo of Europe to localize games without Treehouse interfering…
What the hell you’re talking about? Their localizations are great. What you’re referring to is censoring which isn’t just treehouse alone but what NoA is in general. They have always been known to censor things that Japanese games often had.
Look at other games that they localized besides Fire Emblem. They have done great jobs into translating the Mario games, Kirby games etc. The reason why Fire Emblem is often censored is because Fire Emblem has some dark moments that is begging NoA to censor them in the first place.
Why Fates did not have dual voice? Because the Japanese game is slightly dark than the one that’s localized.
So don’t blame the treehouse for the censoring. Blame the whole NoA division for doing so because they aren’t ordered by NCL to censor content so its NoA’s free will to censor it if they so wish to.
Fates and Awakening had terrible *scripts*. I don’t know that you can blame Treehouse for that. It seems like the writers have taken all of the worst elements of modern anime.
While the scripts may have been rather clunky for both, the localisation of Awakening was loads better than Fates. I wouldn’t blame the VAs, though- they did their jobs well- but rather whoever was the director for just some God-awful decisions (mentally-challenged Effie and Helium Nyx, for example). Their adaptations for some of the supports were terribly bland, too.
As for the censoring- I’m actually not really mad about that. There are cultural differences to account for, and Soleil’s support was doomed no matter what they did. The MyRoom/petting thing is pretty awkward either way.
Nah (no, not Nah)- the main appeal of Fates is really gameplay and music. The character writing was fairly weak overall, and the voicework ranges from quite decent (Azura, getting someone who could actually sing was a smart move), to just plain insulting (Effie).
On a more positive note- at least from what we’ve seen- the localisation of Heroes seems to be shaping up fairly well. The voicework is solid, anyways. The writing remains to be seen.
It’s just me or you just can’t have japanese voice with any other written language?
Even with the japanese version of the game after changing the game language to anything that is not japanese it force resetted itself to install (and change to) the english voices.
No way to change that, as far as anyone has figured out.
I should have expected this, really. Hopefully somebody will get a hacked .apk out that fixes this.
Doesn’t seem to be avaliable on the Pacific coast yet. Don’t know if that’s just my area/timezone, or if the whole of America is waiting. And does it require contant internet? I presume that it does.
Alright, I’ll wait. 83 Hm. I figured that it did, but my dinky phone can’t handle big games, so it’ll probably be on my tablet. But it doesn’t look like itneeds you online every hour, so it should be okay.
Is it out for US yet? Link to Apple Store maybe? I only have iOS and i know it’s for Japan and UK but I rather wait for US version. Any news yet? Thanks I know I’m asking a lot I just wanna play it.
So wasn’t my plan to reroll my game, figured I’d just live with who I got but 3 green and 2 gray orbs. Azuma, Wrys, Gunter, Barst, and Cecilia Rank 3 all of them. All people I really couldn’t care much about. So rerolled and got 5 star Lyn so yeah call that a good trade off.
Best part is that now they’ll have to add the Heroes characters to Cipher. Maybe if Heroes gets popular enough and we can get word out, we can get them to internationalize it.
Yes, yes, I know about it being out for a year and a half now, but does that really mean I must give up hope for Cipher in English?
Is there a light version or an apk that is better for weaker phones? Because I’m a huge FE fan, I’ve been so hype for this & now I can’t even get passed the tutorial before it crashes. I don’t want to miss all these cool 1st month events. What should I do?
Not sure if it’s viable, but if you have a fairly new-ish PC or laptop, you could try looking into Bluestacks, the Android emulator. That’s what I’ve been using to play Heroes when I’m at home.
Might not be the right place for this, but something that I’ve found interesting is how tanky the healers are. I’ve actually put Lissa and Serra right on the frontlines to soak up hits. I suppose it make sense, as keeping them out of harms way would be a lot tougher with how scaled-down the maps and movement are.
One orb per map is appallingly low, though- given the cost of summoning. If you don’t want to be throwing money at them, you’d best pray for some good units and stick with them for a while.
I meant simply in stats. They have remarkably good Defense as well as Resistance. Normally they’re quite fragile, but now I often use them to hold chokepoints while I set up kills for my other characters who are either too slow or too squishy to face more than one enemy at a time.
For those with a My Nintendo Account linked, you can also obtain Platinum Coins for completing chapters, which you can use on non-FEH rewards or on FEH stuff, like packs of 500 Universal Crystals/Shards, Stamina Potions, Light’s Blessings, or Dueling Crests. You can also use your normal Platinum Coins on FEH stuff, so if you have a bunch of PCs in your account that you weren’t planning on using for anything there(the selection has kind of sucked for a while now), then there’s a way to nab some free levels, Stamina, or retries without having to dig out the wallet.
Good to see that they’re not gonna be total dicks about the in-game resources.
Be nice if there were more/better ways to get freaking feathers, though. And some way to upgrade your stamina- it’s absolutely prohibitive at higher levels.
If you have a My Nintendo Account linked, you get 100 Platinum Coins after every chapter cleared, and you can buy either a Dueling Crest or a Stamina Potion for 100 PCs. That should in theory do something for you.
If you’re able to get your account linked, I think you should be able to go get the Coins even if you completed the Chapters first, but I’m not sure. Also, I don’t know if you heard, but you also get 10 Orbs free if your account is linked.
I can’t confirm, but it does say the requirements for each of those Missions is simply that the Chapter say it’s completed, so if you link after completing it would make sense for it to count. On the other hand, it IS Nintendo we’re talking about, so they may have not thought of that. If there’s anyone left who didn’t link before playing who’d be willing to check, that’d be great.
We’ll know soon whether or not feathers are easier to get. Right now we’re all in the lowest arena tier, 7th platoon. After they’re done tabulating tomorrow some of us will have moved up to a higher tier where the rewards would likely be higher.
Don’t rely on Twitter’s translation feature too much, it can be wrong. It actually reads that you will receive a 3* character for playing the new map, which I assume will be Narcian.
Actually technically it says we have a ‘chance’ at getting a 3* character, but I assume that just means you have to win the map.
Love the analysis. Was slowing down the trailer myself trying to pick out all the little details that flashed by so quickly. Thanks to this very detailed analysis I put it all together with my thoughts in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3LnxR6eDY Check it out if you want a visual representation. Serenes <3
And so it all boils down to this…
Who won? Did Ike carry his lead to the end, or did Our Boy manage to wrest the title at the last second?! THE SUSPENSE IS PRACTICALLY TANGIBLE!!!!!
Seriously, bro? I didn’t want spoilers.
Ah, well. At least they decided to give Roy a fancy new getup too. Hey, wonder if Cipher’s going to do any Promo cards for them in their CYL gear in the future!
*disregards information saying it’s barely a gap and then says it not officially counted* sounds a lot like the presedential election haha. To each there own. But to me it’s this way. Which character got the most votes. Answer Ike (no one says Ike from Path of Radiance is the most popular character people only ever say the character)
No stop trying to hide facts also 1. There different personality, age and appearance wise 2. People prefer PoR Ike to RD Ike they are 2 version that count as 2 characters also its about both MALE and FEMALE so this doesn’t matter the results are obviously final.
They are the same character that’s the point haha. Of course people prefer por to Rs Ike. But it’s still Ike :). Alsooooo. If it doesn’t matter why argue ? :). I’m not ignoring disregarding facts. Lyn beat path of radiance ike and she beat radiant dawn Ike. Never said she didn’t. Said she didn’t beat Ike 🙂 which she didn’t. Lyn got less votes than Ike. Is that not true?
Not your point. But my point throughout this whole thing was Ike got the most votes. Ike =most popular. Not Ike won or that it was male vs female. But agreed. Yay awakening and gates not winning
I’m trying to figure out why anyone gives a crap about whether merging the two made any difference – Ike won the Male vote no matter how they split it and had absolutely nothing to do with Lyn because they split it into Gender Lists, the only difference to the Top 20 list that would have happened had they merged individual character votes is that Marth would have beat Chrom by 774 votes, and that would only have changed the order of the calendars.
From my point of view at least. It’s this. When a company conducts a popularity test from characters etc. it’s usually used in the marketing material for following games. Ike in smash and all that. So it will be interesting to see what happens. Roy is in smash because he was “popular”. While I enjoy Ssb FE has been my favourite series for over 15 years. So while it doesn’t really matter either way. It’s interesting to see how they will market things in the future. Using the chrom and marth thing as an example. Marth technically got more votes than chrom. Wouldn’t it be interesting (it won’t happen pretty much guaranteed) if chrom was used in promotiona material such as ssb instead of Marth. Lyn instead of Ike I’m sure some people would be happy about whereas others wouldn’t care. So it matters in a way that is if it has any influence on what they choose to promote. Things like this interest me. What can I say
Ah, alright then. I would, however, like to point out that Roy’s game wasn’t actually out yet in Japan when Melee was released – he was initially put into Smash to sell his own game, he and Marth were only kept in the overseas version because Nintendo’s overseas audience took an interest in the two mysterious swordsmen. Maybe his appearance in Smash 4 is popularity-based, but that wasn’t the initial case. Not trying to nitpick, I’m just kind of particular about the details when it comes to Roy. As for Lyn’s popularity, I can’t help but wonder if SSB had anything to do with that as well, seeing as how she’s been an Assist Trophy twice, and is perhaps the one Assist Trophy people(at least FE fans I know) want as a fighter more than anyone besides Waluigi, who I’m thankful isn’t in despite completing the set because we have too many Mario characters as is. Frankly, I really didn’t care too much about CYL, I was more hoping Nintendo would use Heroes as the stepping stone to introduce Cipher to their overseas fans, beginning by adding Alphonse and Sharena into Cipher, then including Shade, Emma, Yuzu, and Lando in Heroes as a special event, and hopefully finally releasing the TCG to the rest of the world.
Yeah I know Roy’s game wasn’t out for melee. That was pure promotional material for a future release. I was referring to sm4sh. Also. Ghirahim is another assist trophy that most people wanted as a character I believe. But yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said
I didn’t say they were. I said Ike is the most popular character. Not Ike won the official vote. Look at the original post. And the results support that!
Ike wins with the overall votes bypassing 50,000. id say its a shame his votes were split but because of the split, Chrom managed to sneak 4th place over Marth, and Ike gets to be TWICE in the calendar.
I think the best part is Dorcas ALMOST getting on the calendar, and Eliwood beating male Corrin by earning the 19th place at the last minute, proving Elibe saga has a place in everyones hearts.
Also everyone hear? Sigurd most popular geneology character at 55th place. EVEN while obscure he got a crapton of votes. I can’t wait for his return.
I love Dorcas! but seriously 12th place? (that’s great actually) I know he had like the highest HP for a low level (30 at lvl.3) and got 80% HP growth. He can easily top 60 hp without an seraph/angelic robe. Imagine him in FE10 (which you can surpass 60HP)
What the hell? How is Roy that popular if the guy is so damn boring? It should be Eliwood being there not his damn son.
I wonder if Smash somehow has to do with Ike and Roy being there in the list. I’m quite happy that Lyn made it top though as she’s my favorite lord and the same goes for Hector as well.
May I point out that at least some of Lyn’s popularity comes from her inclusion in Smash as an Assist Trophy? Or that there are people who believe Lyn is a boring character and are just as pissed about her as you are about Roy? So Roy is more popular than Eliwood – I understand why, and I understand why you’re bugged about it, but it could honestly be worse.
I don’t see how Lyn is a boring character except in Lyn’s mode. Lyn makes a whole lot more sense to win that vote because she’s memorable and fun to use unlike Roy who’s absolute crap.
I don’t pretend to understand it either, I love Lyn and I’m happy that she won, even though I personally would have chosen someone far more obscure, such as Limstella(how on earth they planned to make that make sense considering Limstella is officially genderless is beyond me) or Idunn, but the fact is that some people do consider Lyn a boring character and those people probably aren’t pleased she won, most likely citing her Assist Trophy status in Smash as ‘the only reason she won’ which sounds ridiculous to me.
Well a little surprised by the results but there still good. My choice Jill got 175 (PoR) and 183 (RD) overall which stinks a little but out of 791 entrants its not terrible so I wont complain……to loudly. Am happy to see Mia and Nephenee up there though.
Because most of those characters are already in. Going through the lists, there’s only about 5 from either one that aren’t (I’m counting both Ikes as one).
I thought I didn’t have to point it out: Lyn, Takumi, Hector and their “OP” skills. Clogging the arena with those isn’t fun at all especially if it’s for someone who didn’t pull any of those 3 characters.
Sorry, I should have clarified that I was asking in relation to your initial comment; “If we do end up getting the winners as units I’ll most likely send Lyn home”.
Save for Ike, we do have the winners as units- so I was curious who you may be referring to.
Unless you meant you specifically getting those characters, in which your usage of the word “we” instead of “I” threw me off your meaning. Shared account?
Yes, I’ll definitely send Lyn home and Ike’s fate depends on his design. I already have a 5* Lucina so I don’t feel a need to have a second one while Roy would stay unless I get one form the gacha and that’s because I want to reunite him with both Eliwood and Ninian later down the line.
Really liking the overall Tellius representation and both Ephraim and Eirika making it to the calendar rankings.
Utterly stunned at Dorcas’ placement.
I voted Ilyana the entire time and she’s made it to 150th/160th! That’s an ok result I think.
What trash results. Not even surprised no one I voted for made it onto this list, but it was completely predictable which characters would’ve won in the first place.
The newbies only have two games to pick from, whereas us veterans had to pick from the entire series.
Of course Awakening and Fates characters were going to have a higher concentration of votes. Not to mention the fact that many of us also like some of the characters from those two games.
Yeah, as I said, it makes sense. But that alone doesn’t mean I relish it.
Popularity contests in general is not really something that matters a lot to me, since they’re always prone to a massive amount of bias. I’m in this for the strategy, anyway. But it’s still disappointing to see what is happening to this series.
What do you mean?? I am also an old hardcore Fire emblem fan but i am loving the direction the series are taking… Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates deserve a lot of the credit as 3DS hits but we must not forget that it all started with Super Smash Bros melee and Fire Emblem Blazing Sword !!! Hope someday Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia receives the same treatment from Fire Emblem gaiden!!!
I think he means that we’ve started calling it “Waifu Emblem” among other things – there did seem to be a bit more focus on the marriage part of the game than perhaps was necessary. On the other hand, I would point out that “Waifu Emblem 1” AKA Awakening is what kept the series from suffering the fate of Metroid – no real releases, every now and then something thrown out to shut the outcry up for two days, etc.
Ohhh i get it now… If i am not wrong marriage first appeared in Fire emblem Genealogy of Holy War. Even in Awakening always thought the marriage and children only as more strategical/skills heritance than the Waifu part. And joining some unconventional couples was fun! Not much big deal!! The series continues as strategic and rewardfull as ever!
First off, ‘rewardfull’ isn’t a word – you’re looking for ‘rewarding’. I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, I just…may be something of a word Nazi.
Second, not everyone can always appreciate the strategy part of the Child characters without feeling a little dating sim-ed – I had one or two such moments in Awakening and Fates, so maybe it’s not a big deal to you or me, but there are players who will have issues with that, just like there will always be Pokemon players who will complain about literally any and all new Pokemon because ‘Gen 1 was the only TRUE Pokemon’. The sheer amount of fan art for Awakening and Fates certainly hasn’t helped either, so blowing it off like that – and I’m assuming you aren’t trying to blow it off, but ‘your concern is not a big deal’ may sound that way to some people – doesn’t generally help.
Also, you’re correct, Genealogy was the first with marriage, but most people don’t count it because it’s never been legally released to 90% of the world.
*spoilers* Also I think the big key difference between Genealogy and Fates is that the children were literally completely crucial to the story. I will admit Lucina played a role in Awakening… But the other children had virtually no role in it unless your counting Future Past. I think the other large difference is the writing in the games.
Genealogy: You play as a character for a few chapters who is then murdered…. In the years coming his son avenges him etc etc.
Awakening: These children come from a future that was destroyed and have come back to change the past….. Hmm yeah personally I am not a fan of “people coming from he future” as a plot device, it feels cheap. All the children are aged conveniently just so you can marry them… SIIIIIIGH
Fates: Deeprealms…. Absolutely atrocious plot device. Just… far too free. Like seriously. All children are literally useless to the plot completely (again barring DLC) Oh and hey look once again…. all the children are aged where you can marry them… SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHH.
Don’t get me started on the storytelling of the new games….
Ops my bad … Sorry about that! English is not my native language and my cellphone auto correction is making mistakes!! And not a problem i really appreciate your intent!!!! I really respect others opinion and think its right… Just wanted to point out that despite Awakening having Massive fan service it evolves the combat with dual combat and others features. Yeah it is a shame that Fire Emblem 4 and 5 don t have Western releases… Not everyone can have it or understand japanese. But i hope it will change in the future as it will happen with Fire emblem gaiden!
Chances are that you are more open to change than I am, either that or you aren’t as into the series as I’ve been. Awakening is a terrible FE game, it’s been proven time and time again, and my stance on that won’t change. The fans have been split into two at this point, and that’s even more evident when looking at the two versions of Fates.
The game is just really casual and has no real depth do it other than the shipping aspect, which even then is quite bare-bones. It doesn’t give me a feeling of FE.
First I’d like to see how Valentia turns out before asking for FE4&5. If they’re going to add in a casual mode and more useless shipping (because that’s effectively what it is), you can count me out.
Fire Emblem is my favourite series… Played All the games more than once except Fire Emblem Gaiden… Fire Emblem 4 is the Best of all, Fire Emblem PoR is my favourite. Fire Emblem Awakening can have a lot of defects but is not casual by Any means… assuming you are playing on lunatic or above and in Classic mode! I think i am a little more open to changes than you do… But its alright! Just happy Fire Emblem is gaining attention it deserves. After Radiant Dawn i thought FE would vanish like it happened with some of Nintendo franchises.
Always nice to see a fellow fan. I, too, have played through each title quite a few times each. Sacred Stones was my first and I’ve played it for more than 1.5k hours in total. But here’s the thing, I still think SS is a pretty bad FE game, even though I personally enjoy it for what it is. It’s not very challenging, it gives you the ability to grind endlessly, and you can easily solo the game with Seth if you’d like.
This exact problem is present in Awakening too. I started on Lunatic, but after seeing that the enemies are only strong due to their inflated stats rather than making use of the maps and other strategic points (similar to Shadow Dragon’s 3-5* HM’s), I backed down to Hard so I could enjoy a more balanced game and not Frederick Emblem. However, in Hard, you can literally just pair up Chrom and Robin and solo through the entire game with just those two units. Add in the ability to grind endlessly, something I feel doesn’t belong in Fire Emblem, and you have a pretty bad game on your hands.
It makes me sad because a lot of new people are only interested in FE because of the dating sim aspect. Just go to r/fireemblem and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Full of people shitposting, coming up with characters to ship together, and general nonsense that is simply not what Fire Emblem used to be. Almost no talk about the strategic depths of the games and things that I do enjoy.
So yeah, I’m quite salty at what the fandom has turned into, but that’s just me I guess.
No not at all!!! You are right and you are not alone!!! It is good to be concerned about the future… Good or bad it is a Nintendo move try to pleases everyone with its franchises… I guess just the sales from old/hardcore fans was not enough…
And What you said about some pokemon fans is right but i have a feeling it happens with all old franchises: Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Paper Mario, Zelda… i could go on all the day. Today is more easy for the new IPs to please everyone than the older ones…
I think POW is all your stat (excluded MOV) + HP (I’m not sure but I used a calculator). Also I remark there is no MAG or STR, just ATK. (like in Fire Emblem Gaiden or the GBA one). oh and thanks for this site Vincent! (I check out this website since Radiant Dawn when I need information!).
On the NES/Famicom, it generally wasn’t feasible to use kanji, so games typically used hiragana in its place. However, nowadays, there’s no excuse and kanji is more friendly to read.
That’s also why Alm’s class (Senshi/Fighter) is written in kanji and not hiragana.
Very interesting that the stats are similar/identical though.
If you have okay understanding of Japanese use forwarding service eg Tenso or Big In Japan (I use this). Fill in the address of the forwardee and they will ship it to you once they receive the items.
I’m happy Hector got 3rd for males, and in general that the Top 20 on both sides wasn’t entirely made up of Awakening, Fates, and playable Smash characters. I am a bit annoyed about the vote splitting, though, seeing as Tellius characters would’ve done better if that wasn’t the case. Neph would’ve come in 10th and Mia 11th on the female side, Black Knight 12th male (or 13th if Ike didn’t also get combined), and Soren 15th male. Also, combining FE7 and FE6 Eliwood would’ve put him above Niles (Hector still wouldn’t have beaten Roy, though)
That said, I will also say, this shows how much influence the western fanbase really has, since until you reach Sigurd, everyone but Roy was from a game that actually came out over here. (And Roy was in Smash, so…)
It’s part of the special plot for this particular series. They envision an alternate timeline where Chrom fails and is turned into a King of the Risen by Grima. Likely it will dovetail somewhat with events as they’re presented in the Future Past DLC chapters.
Aaaargh, and I STILL don’t have Marth and I’m running out of Orbs for the game to give me. I guess I can keep rolling red, though, since he and Eirika are both red units, but I don’t like the odds going down.
“It’s hard to tell from this single screenshot, but we imagine the game’s English translation will be high-quality as usual.”
Please no. You’re giving me Fates flashbacks.
Sorry, I’m only speaking of the quality of the content that we got. I know it sucks that content was cut, but what we did get was great. Or at least as good as it could get since the original Japanese script wasn’t exactly a work of art : P
It’s not the cut content that bothers me. I’m also aware how the JP script wasn’t a work of art. I just find it hard not to partially blame NoA for the constant cringes I get whenever I’m reading the dialogue or the support conversations.
I remember a lot of adaptations that changed the characters completely (like Niles or Effie) and I can’t call that good translation :/ I know it only from other people, though, can’t estimate that myself.
Yeah, please just stop saying it was the “greatest”. When it comes to localization, lately the news from this site seems to praise NoA and Treehouse work on the games. Some things were great, some were not. Just stop “praising” it.
Hmm, I didn’t find particular issue w/ the Fates translation; care to provide an example w/ Jpn vs. Eng text?
I actually found most English release FE’s to have dialogue that reads decently, though I can’t speak to how well each is translated since I don’t know Japanese =O
It wasn’t exactly how it read, but the content. Honestly, the other FE games were fine. I can’t speak for the accuracy, because these sound like disgruntled fans, but their translation doesn’t make the english sound that great…. http://imgur.com/gallery/X2w49
ah i see, that saizoxberuka convo’s definitely an egregious example – though it seems more to be an issue of censorship than of translation; willing to bet the censors were behind blanking out that convo considering the heavy topic [which is a real shame, since i’m willing to bet the vast majority of fates’ audience is older than ~13, and woulda appreciated seeing it]; however, it’s equally unfortunate there wasn’t some way for the localizers to come up w/ another convo to replace that one, rather than “…”
I would say it’s really just disgruntled fans…like overly disgruntled with freakishly high standards and zero tolerance for this kind of stuff. Because the Leo x Xander example is just….ugh….who cares? In the end who really cares except them? The change in their speaking tone literally did not break anything from the game. The Saizo x Beruka C-support was just a really poor joke done on the translators part. But to be frank, I would take silence over having 2 characters just state their jobs. Because that C-support was so boring. It’s not the whole “Oh they don’t like to talk a lot” nope, it was literally just 2 characters meeting each other and bluntly saying their jobs. I’m not even going to bother touching on the Soleli thing. Her very character existence/personality needed a major change. Her personality is more understood over in Japan considering the whole “Harmless experimentation of youth” thing they have going on but in America we just call that being a gay-tease.
Like I know it sucked that some of the things that were removed and changed, and that some of the supports in the American version were more cringy, but these people are literally only using the same mundane examples that have literally have not much of a significance in the game. It’s people demanding for perfection, which perfection is impossible when the original product wasn’t even that good *coughs* Not like Fates story was even that good to begin with
I suspect these will be new focus characters after the current rotation ends. Here’s hoping they add more chapters for more orb opportunities. I’ve only got 3 chapters left and I still need to finish the castle XP upgrades.
Why would you assume the magic is draining her HP just because she was damaged while fighting an enemy? Wouldn’t the natural assumption be that… y’know… a DIFFERENT enemy already damaged her?
Wait, I missed the “4” being the HP drain… woops.
Well, that really sucks. I hate bringing back dated mechanics for “authenticity” or whatever. The point of a remake is to *improve* upon the game, now that they have the technology to do so and they’ve outgrown Early Installment Weirdness. If the point was to make it just like the original you might as well just play the original.
It goes both ways. If the hit rate is fixed, that means it won’t go down for you either. So you just take advantage of that.
“Draining your HP” isn’t exactly a dated mechanic. It’s just different. That mechanic isn’t even related to old or new technology, but was a design choice. If it has purpose in the old game, I think it should transfer to the new game.
I’m questioning how much “purpose” it had, though, or if they were just trying it out to see how it worked. Considering the whole “all spells are Cast From Hit Points” was only used in the second game, you’d think that they decided it wasn’t good. That’s what I mean by “dated” in this context… it was an old mechanic that was abandoned for not being that good (especially considering how squishy mages usually are, it seems crazy that they’re the ones whose HP are getting drained just by attacking.)
But then, if there’s a story reason for it (apparently they just… don’t have tomes on the continent of Valentia or something??), I would understand why they would keep it.
It’s not just a mechanics thing, it’s very important to the Fire Emblem lore IMO.
Back in the NES/SNES era, it was stated that magic tomes and staves are tools used to alleviate the stress on spell-casters. However in Gaiden, they don’t have tomes or staves and thus must use their full body to cast magic–hence the HP reduction.
This is echoed in Radiant Dawn when Micaiah uses her healing powers (the Sacrifice skill) without the aid of staff.
That said, I won’t disagree that combining lore and gameplay mechanics isn’t always the best choice. Also, in Echoes the spell icon looks like a magic tome (despite the user not holding a tome), which makes my head hurt.
The more I see and hear of this game, the more excited I get. It’s quite a departure from the way Fates and Awakening look, right down to the GUI and the font they used. It really gives weight to the idea that this game is a visit to the long-forgotten past, and yet it’s slick as hell. I am a little worried about the absence of certain classic Fire Emblem mechanics, but at the same time all the differences will encourage change in strategy and in gameplay to make things new.
I hope this sells like hotcakes and comes out on the same day as Japan.
I’m more interested in Saber’s screenshot. Does this show that the conversations will be more character-to-player (a good example would be like Phoenix Wright), completely forgoing the 1-on-1 convo seen in Awakening, or the group conversations in the FE7-10?
Glad to see they are keeping key mechanics from the original. Hopefully some of the mechanics don’t turn off newer players due to how different they are from the recent games. Let’s just hope the game sells well so Nintendo will be incentivized to ”remaster” other older games from the series like Genealogy/Thracia, Binding/Blazing/Sacred and the Tellius ones.
I’m almost certain if this does well, Binding Blade has to be next Roy at least I’d assume so. Would really love Genealogy next but I think Binding next would be a smart move especially since Roy doesn’t have a game out in the West in English ;~:.
On the subject of echoes really happy they are trying to stay true to the original. HP costs for spells staying in totally was a shock to me.
I’d be kind of interested to see what Nintendo/IS would do for a Genealogy remake, but yeah Binding Blade would be awesome especially since they would be able to fix all the issues that game had. Yeah kind of surprised they are staying so true to the original game here, will definitely make the cranky outspoken elitists happy at least.
Some observations:
1) Alphonse, Sharena, Veronica, and El Dark Summoner Guy will get Cipher cards, so yay for that. I’m calling Cost 1 Anna for the final advent of the 100-Anna-Deck – 100 Anna cards with Anna as Main Character.
2) Matsushita’s announcements may or may not be setting up for Shade/Emma/Yuzu/Lando to be featured in Heroes. If this occurs, I’m calling it as a test to see if they can build interest in Cipher for a worldwide release as they’ll pretty much have to release any of the above four they choose to add to the entire world. This is not likely, but as nobody has officially stated they do not intend to internationalize Cipher it cannot be discarded as impossible just yet. For now, let’s hope and pray for the Cipher characters to come to Heroes, even if it doesn’t lead to worldwide Cipher – let’s be honest, we all want to know what the official voices for those four would be.
3) Fire Emblem Warriors, like Hyrule Warriors before it, will almost undoubtedly contain exclusive characters, as the only other option is special Cipher cards featuring Units wielding different weapons or in different outfits than normal, and they can just Promo those kinds of things. I’m tentatively suggesting a separate Color for Warriors cards, meaning Lords like Marth, Chrom, Lucina, etc. will then be available in two or more Colors.
4) They pretty much skipped over Thracia’s upcoming inclusion in Cipher. Because of this, I’m calling Thracia cards as more Yellow cards instead of getting their own Color, using Finn’s cards as evidence – he specifically states he buffs Leif, and most cards don’t specifically buff cards of other Colors outside of Black/White.
I admire your optimism in thinking that we might still get an English Cipher release. 😛
And, yeah, Thracia is practically confirmed for Yellow. There’s no reason at all for it to have another colour. More interesting will be if Gaiden and/or SS get unique colours. I’m hoping they do, though there are some reasons as to why they may not, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
I’m fairly positive that both will get unique Colors, though one of the guys I play Cipher with suggested that Gaiden cards may be Red like Archanean cards. Not certain why SS wouldn’t get its own color, but hey, maybe. As for Worldwide Cipher, a lot of people whine about it already being out for a year and a half, but look at Yu-Gi-Oh! – stuff gets released to the OCG MONTHS before we even get hints of getting it ourselves.
People think SS may not get its own colour mostly for meta/gameplay reasons. It’s a single game continent that has a very small cast of characters, so it would be hard to maintain support for a new colour just for it.
Personally, I’m not convinced that’s a strong enough reason myself, but I’m anxious to learn the truth either way. 🙂
Also- although I don’t know Genealogy- the artwork for those two and the twins is fucking top-notch. Eirika and Epraim are some damned fancy mofos, here.
I already got Narcian on Normal, because I’m NOT risking my stamina into getting him on Hard. None of my units are powerful enough to get him! Hell, even my 5 star Marth and my 5 star Tharja are not enough!
Well, it looks like the current banner is gonna end up soon, and I only got my 5-star Marth, nobody else, because half of my units are not the ones I hoped for, and they’re all 3-star units! So, I might as well say goodbye to Young Tiki, Roy, Lyn, Robin, Lucina, Takumi, and Camilla, they’ll never be seen again. …This isn’t fair, half of my units suck! Lucky bastards having these special units before me!
Oh. My. Gosh! I love the Exalt Chrom card! <3
I do hope that they add some more Female Robin in the new deck. I bet Grima will be in it (I'll be surprised if he isn't, actually).
Even Japan is acknowledging the power of China in recent years. I always thought that Japanese really hate Chinese for multitude of reasons. Japan’s gonna make more money nearby than in the gaijin land as China becoming more important than USA.
I don’t think it has much to do with Japan’s views on China so much as it is China’s own laws and the like and what the government actually *officially* allows into the country. A lot of stuff that would commonplace or people wouldn’t even think twice about being on the market is something that’s banned within China, usually foreign media. Video games is something that they comparatively recently relaxed a lot of restrictions on, hence why Sun and Moon were the first *official* Chinese Pokemon games
Sometimes game company don’t need to care some laws in China, they can just simply add Chinese(Whatever Traditional or Simplify Chinese) as a language in their game. Like Pokemon Sun & Moon, I bought the US version and still can change the language to Chinese.
But I don’t know why this time they don’t put all language in their Fire emblem Echoes. I bought it today because I heard they bring out Chinese, but the US version don’t have Chinese to chose. Only Hong Kong version has Chinese, weird.
When I read new series, I thought IS was talking about making a new series besides Fire Emblem. Probably similar gameplay but a new thing itself. Like a spacey version of Fire Emblem could be cool.
Considering how influential Gaiden was in China back in the NES days, this just makes perfect sense. Yes, Gaiden is the first FE game many Chinese played, albeit thanks to a well circulated bootleg cartridge with Chinese translation. I’m still playing the NA version myself though, as I only have a NA 3DS, but I’m buying this Chinese nonetheless as well just to show my support. Anyway, kudos Nintendo; this is a good move.
I hope theres a better way to get orbs while the story helps a lot for initial I have 2 maps left on lunatic that im grinding my Hector and Takumi up for but then outside of the 2 free I’m out of a way to get free orbs
The speaker needs to learn how to speak Chinese properly, this is just embarrassing. The tones are missing and he needs to speak at least 3 times faster.
Because it’s basically standard for ANY eastern RPG. Nintendo is the one who isn’t the norm here.
I had hoped they had learned after Fates, but I guess not.
Xenoblade, Persona 5, all the spike chunsoft games, steins gate, bravely default, Valkyria chronicles, and basically every Vita game are some just off the top of my head.
There are only 2 actual reasons not to include dual audio: licencing fees, or that you changed the script so much it no longer works, as I’ve heard may have been what happened to Fates. Any other reason is just stupid.
Here, finally replied to the right comment
Licensing fees are hardly an issue, even tiny companies like IFI and XSEED can pay licensing for big-name actresses like Asami Imai. For her singing parts as well, no less. By comparison NoA should have no issue with that.
The latter is a possibility, I’m playing through an undubbed version of Fates right now and it’s unbelievably jarring to hear soft-spoken JP Elfie’s voice while reading the roid-rage text NoA put over her. But even that is really stupid, since all you’re doing is hiding your own incompetence by removing a feature that most people want.
Most people don’t give a damn about dual audio; it’s the vocal minority that cares, who have been shown to throw fits when they don’t get what they want.
And ironically, the one FE game that had dual audio was the one that made the most text changes: Awakening. Fates honestly isn’t half as bad as it.
Also, thanks for confirming that you hacked your 3DS. Why you would go to such lengths is astounding.
I shouldn’t reply to such obvious bait, but since this is actually an important and interesting conversation that deserves dialogue, consider this more to shed light on the situation rather than argue with you:
Dual audio is hardly a major point of contention; while you will find plenty of people who don’t care about it, the fact remains that dual audio is always the superior option. With dual audio, those who prefer English dubs will have them, and those who prefer the original Japanese audio can fall back on that if the English dub isn’t appealing to them. I’ll use an analogy here: sometimes after work, I stop by Five Guys. It’s a burger joint, in case you’ve never heard of it. They serve three very simple food items: burgers, hot dogs, and fries (also grilled cheeses and other sandwiches, but they’re basically just burgers without the meat patties). I never get hot dogs there, since I’m not fond of hot dogs in general. But plenty of people DO like them. If they took their hot dogs off their menu, it wouldn’t impact me in the slightest way, but the people who enjoyed them would naturally be quite disappointed. And they too are a minority; most people there just order burgers. But my point here is that even though I personally was unaffected by the removal of that option, the fact remains that others will now be missing out on something they enjoy, and the last thing I would do in that situation is tell them that it doesn’t matter since I never liked the hot dogs.
The term “vocal minority” is a fallacy used to discredit an argument by no logical means. Dual audio is best for the game and the fans, and I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t welcome it. To elaborate on this, I’ll point out a PS3 game called Atelier Ayesha. The Atelier series is made by the (amazing) game developer Gust, who was bought out by Koei Tecmo some time shortly before Atelier Ayesha’s release. Earlier games were localized by NIS America who always kept dual audio in, but after KT bought Gust they decided that KT America would be doing the localizations from that point on. During localization, they cut out the Japanese audio. Naturally, fans were disappointed and voiced their concerns (Atelier dubs have always been notoriously subpar, though luckily Ayesha’s was actually pretty good). KT America replied stating that they were unaware that it was a feature that the fans cared so much about, and promised that future games would retain JP audio during localization along with any English dubs. And naturally, when the next game in the series came out (Escha & Logy), it had dual audio, just as promised. And when Atelier Ayesha was later ported to the Vita as Atelier Ayesha Plus, they re-inserted the JP audio back into it. But the main thing to note here is that during all this, there was no huge controversy, no argument, just simple conversation between the publishers and the consumers about what they think is important in game localization. KT America’s localization quality may be inconsistent at most times, but I’ll always offer them praise for their communication with their fans.
Now, contrary to that, with NoA things have been much less understandable. NoA and Treehouse make no effort to even reply to the fans’ comments about dual audio. They can’t be completely unaware, and it’s unlikely that they are unable to put dual audio in games (after all, 8-4 did that just fine with Awakening), so the assumption is that they are simply unwilling to do so. And like everything else with NoA, they don’t offer any sort of explanation or transparency. Dual audio is more or less standard in localization nowadays, except in Nintendo’s case, and they make no effort to embrace it or even explain why they won’t. And THIS is what causes ire among fans; dual audio is easy, desired, and all-around a plus for the game, and they won’t even acknowledge it. When you have situations like Fates where replacement dub is very poor, that exacerbates the issue further.
And while I’m aware that 8-4’s localization of Awakening was far from perfect, they at least deserve praise for having both the original JP audio and a relatively high-quality English dub in the game. Lots of great voice work, Matthew Mercer and Laura Bailey (Chrom and Lucina) in particular knocked it out of the park with their performances.
Hu, Xenoblade is Nintendo, same bullshit. Persona it’s pissing of people as much as it does for FE. Spike games are shit and they are closer to indie dev than anything, IS is not . Bravely default had dual audio, Valkyria as well, Pretty decent amount of “vita games” as well.
I remember Valkyria Chronicles and Bravely Default do have dual audios. The only game on top of my head that doesn’t have dual audio is Yakuza, because fans hate the original English voice acting.
It would also have been prohobitively expensive for an english dub of Yakuza 2-5. As Y5 only got a release after it was officially declared dead and gone because of minor sales I actually prefer dual audio or even japanese audio only – they may get some minor/niche games over because the VO dubbing expenses can be cut out and the localization would be cheaper-> less needed sold copies to break even or turn a profit.
I am a non-native english speaker but have a pretty good command and comprehension of the spoken language so I don’t have a problem with that. I DO however have a problem with the way dubbing is done and the choice of Voice Actors outside of Japan. The German and English translation of lots of Games and Animes, OAVs and Movies are simply atrocious.
Also diversity…Skyrim had what? 60 People doing VO for NPC chatter? In comparison the German had 6? If anything is more immersionbreaking than that at all I would gladly eat my hat.
Iirc, the reason dual audio isn’t in Fates is due to an issue with the company the VA of Aqua/Azura in the Japanese version works with. I assume they will have dual audio in Echos.
I often think about what I would put in a fire emblem game of I got to make one. I usually say dungeon exploration with battles inside, the ability to mitigate bullshit by being able to bring back a limited number of characters, simplified skill system. Apparently they did all of this 25 years ago.
Goddammit, I can’t summon these four new characters! They are all hard to get, and I keep summoning the same damn characters! WHAT THE HELL?! If I don’t get those 4 new heroes soon, then I’ll never see them again! DAMMIT!
I have forgotten her name but it’s the blue chick on a pegasus she got it but everything is want to fight it it shows 0x2 damage and I know I unlocked her skills.
Yes,thank you. I believe she has the normal attack that is effective against armored units right? But it won’t do any harm. The other units are easily taken care of but this one is tricky.
I ended up using my 5* Lucina and slowly kill that knight and taking advantage of her Falchion’s healing properties and only attack him when I had enough HP to survive the lance attack.
I’ve got Hana and Caeda both lvl 40 ☆4. They both have armor slayer. It’s a Blue Lance unit so it is not that advantageous to have team of red sword users and on top of that it’s an armored unit. I don’t know if it’s a mistake on the developers side or if i am doing this wrong 🙁
You could probably train up Anna a bit more just to get the Orb rewards at least. I like that they made the 2 Orb quests the easiest to complete, since everybody wants more Orbs. :p
Yeah that’s what I did… But in the end, who carried the team was a 3 stars Cherche haha. I want to train Anna, and make her a 4 stars, but for now… I’m saving my feathers for another character xd
Bah, more Awakening fanservice. When will intelligent systems go back to the grand holiness that is genealogy of the holy war and tharcia 776? Ever since Binding Blade, Fire Emblem has been gutted and castrated beyond recognition and a this game looks to be another terrible outing.
The banner was data mined about a week ago. I hope she is as good as her other gender green is only cookout I lack good units. My Nino and fae r both -atk
Yes, this certainly does give credence to the datamined stuff being next. I guess that means we can look forward to the awkward Hawkeye, Maria, Adult Tiki, and Fir focus group.
It’s confirmed that she has Rexcalibur and Rising Wind as a 4* from the 4-5 Lunatic map. I’m assuming that she will be the first playable unit with Rexcalibur+ and Blazing Wind but this is all speculation.
Well, I got a 2-Star Female Robin, but good God, my 2-Star Female Robin is weak! I wanted a 3 Star Female Robin, but no, no no no no no, I would NOT dare face her on Hard mode, I hate it when the enemies try to outsmart me when I move my Units first after their first Enemy Phase! So, much like the Hard Narcian battle, I am NOT risking it to get a 3-Star Female Robin! GODDAMMIT, if only I have Eirika, Ephraim, Seliph, and Julia! IT’S NOT FAIR!!
Also, why bother with these other four new Focus heroes?! I wouldn’t be able to get those heroes anyway, as the deadline is too short!
Well, I can’t get all 4 new focus heroes, because I keep getting those same and useless characters over and over again! And worse?! I don’t have any money to buy these God forsaken orbs! WHY?! WHY DO I KEEP GETTING USELESS CHARACTERS?!
Camilla at lv 40 can survive a hit from each of the enemies to lure them out (presumably other pegasi or high res characters can too)… Then its just about mopping them up which is easy
Unless you get both, it won’t be possible to make a Level 40+1 5-star version of her. I’ve got her too (and Narcian earlier), but only 2-star versions. However, if they will be available again in the future, then I’ll try to get 3-star versions too. I’m already thinking about the tactics for both enemies.
Sounds interesting, looking forward to it if I can get certain people to learn the counter attack from any range options. Also slightly off topic I just got my first duplicate 5 star is it better to have 2 5 star units or to merge them?
Same issue of just totally cheesing the meta, but he’s slightly less prevalent.
At least Pokemon allows more variety for interesting and unconventional teams to be competitively viable- but Heroes is rather more limited in that regard. You’ll never see a Draug or Virion in the meta, but Takumi and Lucina are freaking everywhere. It gets boring after a while.
Just beat Hard Version today. Was pretty frustrating initially, but my problem was turtling too much and being too chicken to bring Peri into the fray- what with Robin’s triangle advantage and anti-cavalry tome. Camilla, Lyn, Peri, and Sakura beat this map pretty easily.
passed the hard mode with Lucina(5*) Abel(5*) Cecilia(4*) and Olivia(4*) all level 40
the mvp is without doubt Cecilia Rally Res which makes Lucina survive the initial onslaught.
Characters without activation skills can get activation skills now? I wonder how this feature will work I’m
Looking forward to it. Thanks for the news!
Got 2 Female Robin from normal and hard, her tome is useful against cavalry units but her other abilities are kinda disappointing. Don’t know if its worth making her 5 Stars since Male Robin seems to have better abilities/stats in comparison.
Not to mention Sanaki’s big sibling isn’t there. Won’t say who for spoilers but I’d think they’d be there! Unless saving them for Path of Radiance banner.
If people are playing Heroes, they either already know or are going to get spoilered by the characters descriptions. Heroes hasn’t been shy about that sort of thing.
In any case, I’m glad that we’re gonna start branching into the Tellius games. PoR is one of my favourites. Half of my salary is gonna go into getting Nephenee.
Yeah no Laguz in Awakening bummed me out but I understood why, however not as hard to animate these so I’d be disappointed if they are not included at least eventually. As for the Dawn Brigade……not gonna deny the only one I used once is Edward and that’s when I was just having every Swordmaster available in game. Everyone else got overshadowed by returning cast. I used Fiona once but I had to level her with bonus experience there is no chapters that you can train her everyone else you had a small chance but Fiona always got the short end of the stick.
I have most of them already, but that new focus with Effie, Setsuna, Nino, and Felicia seems pretty generous. Asides Setsuna (who is by no means bad), they’re all pretty high-ranking units.
If it’s like the Battling Robin focus, this gives a good hint as to what type of team to train up.
Oh GREAT, more new heroes that I can’t summon! I hate it when this game won’t let me summon new and powerful heroes instead of the same and useless heroes!
Wait, I went to Summon mode and (GASP) …I did it…I actually summoned Reinhardt! I DID IT, I FINALLY DID IT!! For the first time in my life, I have finally summoned a Focus 5-Star Hero!! YEAH, WOO-HOO!!
Abdallah had a good point in thinking that they’re probably gonna hold off on Ike and other Tellius characters until there’s a noticeable lull in the game, in order to draw people back into it.
Awakening and Fates were heavily featured in the release, in order to nab as much of the mainstream as possible. The past few updates were more geared towards vets, and Ike is their next big draw, for those who were introduced to the series through Smash.
Can’t help but wonder – we haven’t seen the booster box promos, have we, or were those in an older post that I missed? If so, someone tell me who they were, and if not, who do you guys think it’ll be? I’m thinking just Alm and Celica.
Yeah, they haven’t been revealed yet, but we should see them within the next week at the latest as they’ll reveal them in the pre-release livestream if not sooner. Alm is practically confirmed to be one of them, and I’d probably guess Al for the other as well.
Coirple? Does that mean we’re getting Leen soon?
Also for the next two SR characters for Genealogy, are they both for the second generation? If one is Julius, I have a feeling the last one would be either Sety or Ishtar.
Sitting this one out. We all know how the popularity poll went last time right? I’ll bet my firstborn child Lucina wins weather I like it or not.
I know where my bro Lords stand.
“This map is the first campaign map to feature 6 enemy units, one of which includes Veronica herself.”
While Veronica is the main character of the level’s story skit, she makes no appearance on the battlefield. The six enemies are the six Prince/Princesses from this voting gauntlet.
Lucina is a little troublesome for me because my best Blue unit right now is Female Corrin. The other Falchion users aren’t too bad- Marth is kinda squishy while Google Chrom is pretty slow and has crap res.
People are not very clever are they? Wasting all their flags in a round they already won. Well, I knew it would come to this and saved 500 of them to use against Lucina, but I don’t think it will make much of a difference in the end.
If its Lucina vs Ephraim, its gonna be pretty much Awakening vs Sacred Stones, and if its Chrom vs Lucina, its father against daughter. Definitely something I look forward to. Lucina FTW!!!
Holy shit, Chrom and Ephraim are literally neck and neck up there. O_O
This is really interesting. Lucina is beating Eirika by nearly twice the votes. I have over 700 flags saved up. Once its Lucina and her final opponent, I’ll be using all my flags like there’s no tomorrow.
The Focus doesn’t actually look that good for this battle. They’re all infantry, and the map has two nasty ninjas with Poison Daggers, Poison Strike, and Savage Blow. The other enemies are an Axe Knight wit Pavise, a Sword Cavalier, and Ursula herself.
Like the Female Robin map, you start off in a nasty bottleneck, but at least this time you have the option to bait some of them for some duels across the walls.
I just beat the 3 star version with Lissa, Saizo, Selena, and Female Robin. Saizo can duel with the ninjas, Female Robin kills both the cavalier and Ursula no problem, Selena can handle the knight, and Lissa to heal.
I only pulled Cherche a few days ago- there’s no way that I can raise her up in time.
I’m gonna try Camilla and Catria. I want to bring my Young Tiki, too- but those fucking ninjas double her. Almost all of my best units (Except Camilla and Catria) are infantry. I have pulled zero Armour from summoning.
Sheena, male Robin, healer, and Leo. Moved Sheena to hold the choke, while letting Leo combat the ninja at the top. This aggroed Ursula who moved into range with the general behind her. Then I basically just used Robin + Sheena to pick them off one by one, starting with Ursula, then the general, then the final ninja, and the cavalier.
Wendy or Effie could work, the reason Sheena worked for me was because Ursula had weapon disadvantage, so you could give it a shot to see if it works for you. Otherwise try some other tanky axe user. Leo can be substituted for anyone really, as long as they’re on horseback. That poison dagger is spooky.
Shit, this is gonna be challenging. Mostly because most of my units at max level aren’t even green units. The only max green unit is 3* Narcian. But the main issue here is the Poison Dagger users, which makes sense. Its why Kagero is so terrifying. Alright, better start grinding my characters more.
Okay, managed to get luck and FINALLY got that 5* Lucina I always wanted. And a 5* Elise as well. I have a 4* Nino, so she might be able to help. But I’ll have to look at character’s strong suit and make use of it. Least I got half of the team needed, being a healer and Male Robin.
Nice! Honestly, it might probably be easier to use that stamina, grind her to 20, and promote her with 2k feathers instead if you’re struggling that much.
Yeah. I don’t have the characters I need and can’t grind as often because I have other issues to deal with. Better if I focus on the fact I got her 3 star at the least.
It’s 9531125025
‘The entered ID is not valid’ Hmm seems odd, don’t know what the problem could be. Mine is 2861457768 if it works from your end.
lol though. Blew Elise away in the first round, but Lucina is leading over us with almost 3b now, jeez. Not a big fan of Awakening and SS was my first FE, so if Ephraim goes through I’ll probably join his side in the final. 😉
Oh shit, I forgot to add one more zero.
95311250250
Sent the request to you nonetheless.
I will be honest though. I am one of the few people that cannot stand Ephraim. So I’m hoping for Chrom to win, but if Ephraim wins, it’ll be Awakening vs Sacred Stones. In that case, may the best character win. It’ll be fun at the very least.
But how can you dislike Ephraim? He’s clever and righteous, can’t think of many other protagonists that match his conviction. If anything Eirika is way more naive, characters like that annoy me quite a bit.
Simple: he’s even more of a Gary Stu than Corrin was, and he gets away with it. He is so strong, and so powerful, he can solo the Grado Empire, with even if he’s betrayed, even if he’s surrounded, Ephraim will always win out. “I don’t pick fights I can’t win” is nothing than another way of saying, “I’ll win because I’m Ephraim”. And the biggest thing that pissed me off is that to actually stop him, it required a literal plot device, a plot device that Eirika gave Lyon that has gotten her bashed on, to stop Ephraim. Like, REALLY?! There was no real development for Ephraim. They made him out to be this perfect warrior and so on. Marth lost his home and knew that he was powerless on his own. Ike was only decently strong in the beginning, but had to train harder later on.
I believe this subject is touched upon in his supports, in particular with Kyle. He is that way because he dislikes being above others because of his social rank, and was incredibly weak and didn’t have many friends. But his resolve was his main strength and was what made him grow up into the strong character he is now. So he wasn’t always like this.
That said, he does get into quite questionable situations at times. It seems unlikely that he would escape Fort Renvall (that only has one entrance, the bridge) when it’s surrounded by Valter and his troops. But he is a tactical genius, that’s why he’s away from Renais in the first place. He showed that as he managed to fight off Tirados men by using the field to his advantage even when he was vastly outnumbered. So I don’t think it’s that Ephraim is amazingly OP, it’s that he’s clever and inspires hope in his companions.
But he is a main character and can’t really be killed off, so I think that fact has more to do with his role in the plot and the way people perceive him than anything.
That’s the issue here. Him being a tactical genius so great that he can come up with the perfect strategy to escape and once again SOLO the Grado Empire. It works with Chrom and Robin, where Chrom was the leader and could inspire moral and lead, while Robin was the tactician that supported everyone. It helped there because we have the two support one another. But Ephraim was basically performing things by himself. He hardly ever got into any real trouble. In fact, he got Eirika out of trouble when she thought he was in trouble. They have him have virtually ZERO weaknesses.
Also, the entire thing about how he was weak and all in the past is great, but if all that’s done is that he’s mentioned to have been weaker, it ceases to be that great, because that’s how Garon’s role in Fates got so bad, because we only hear how he was at the supports, but we never saw the real Garon’s glory days so it really is hard to imagine him as anything more than a prick.
Ephraim shouldn’t have been the main protagonist at all in my opinion. It should have remained with Eirika. Protagonists should develop and grow throughout the story. Ephraim hardly grew at all, whereas Eirika did develop and grow, going from a naive girl to a more strong independent person.
In my opinion, Ephraim should have been something like a Gotoh archetype, very powerful and already in the pinnacle of his growth. Making him a protagonist ruins it for me because he’s not really growing. If he had to be a main protagonist, show that he wasn’t really that perfect, that the death of his father and his kingdom in ruins, and Lyon seemingly betraying him, all that has made Ephraim become colder and more ruthless little by little and that worried others and even gets reckless that it costs him dearly, and Eirika acts as his light that keeps him from losing himself. It would show that Ephraim needs Eirika to remind him not to lose his humanity in the face of sadness and anger, and Ephraim teaches Eirika how to be wiser and not so naive.
Hector wreaked the ninjas and Ursula by being buffed by Sheena for me and Sanaki made quick work of the general the only hiccup was the cavalier but a Hector and Sheena were able to take him out
I got a 3-Star Ursula after beating Hard mode, but getting a 4-Star Ursula from Lunatic mode?! HELL NO! I got my 5-Star Effie, but how is she not enough?! None of my 5-Star characters are powerful enough to beat Ursula or those Goddamn Ninjas in Lunatic mode! So, screw this!
Stupid childish troll, Fire Emblem Heroes is an App game, not some “Yu-Gi-Oh!” wannabe cards. Fire Emblem Heroes is where you summon the heroes using Orbs.
Diablo II? That’s irrelevant coming from a childish troll like you. Also, Diablo II sucks balls, and so do you. Now be off, Fire Emblem haters such as you are not allowed here.
Canceling my pre-order. I wanted a real fire emblem game with a player avatar, and marriage, not this generic unispired shit. Wtf.are my children and face rubbing, some of the best features in recent games? At least Celica looks kinda sexy, but nowhere near the level of some of my favorite characters like Camilla and tharja.
People need to boycott this shot. Its terrible when companies like nintendo ruin some of their beloved franchises and this unfaithfulness should not be looked at lightly
Lunatic map is pretty tricky without the right units. You essentially get screwed being bottlenecked with infantry units by the Ninjas and Ursula basically kills off your cavalry from behind that walls. My setup that got me through this was with a flying squad composed of Caeda, Minerva, Cordelia, and Lissa as my healer (you pretty much want to use anyone who has rehabilitate like Wrys). You can probably get similar results with a heavy unit duo + mage support (but i have almost no heavy units to try anything out) since heavy armors don’t count as infantry. Essentially what I did was charge the first breakable wall with Cordelia who has been buffed by Caeda’s Fortify flier and within range of Minerva’s Ward flier to shrug off Ursula’s attack easily, and I also used Caeda to bait the ninja, allowing Cordelia to follow up next turn for the kill. I essentially just positioned Caeda where the broken wall was to maintain Fortify Flier, and had Minerva above Caeda to create a wall for the heavy knight and ninja above. The bottleneck is effective for allowing my healer to keep minerva’s HP at max after every assault (not attacking the heavy knight during your turn), without being in range of the ninja above. Cordelia can clean up the red cavalier and Ursula with the help of galeforce (and if you need an extra hit, Caeda can help too). The rest is easy after that since Minerva can effectively just wall the heavy until it dies.
The other 4 SR+ cards have not been revealed yet. Seliph will likely get one, and probably Julia for the other Genealogy ones. I’m also betting that F!Robin will get an SR+ card on the Awakening side, but I’m not sure about the third.
Finally beat lunatic after several failed attempts with several different team comps.
Who would have thought that my best shot at this map with infantry-killers and high-resistance enemies would be a team of entirely infantry and two mages? Serra, Eirika, Nino, and Male Robin. It was right down to the wire. Eirika and Robin survived with 2 hp.
“What’s important is that right before Alm attacked, a character’s portrait could be seen in the combat forecast. Putting two and two together, these boosts are likely the effect of a support system, like the ones found in earlier Fire Emblems.”
I greatly prefer the modern system, since it doesn’t restrict the number of support conversations you can unlock per playthrough. Plus it just makes more sense from a standpoint of gameplay and story integration.
Why do you like this system better? I can’t understand why.
Because it was strategic. Removing the limit was like removing the limit of XP in awakening and Fates. Not to mention the benefits were honestly a lot greater. Not to mention the supports in FE13 and 14 weren’t even worth reading. I wouldn’t be against having something like “only the first 5 supports give stat boosts” or something like that so you are able to read more, but the scarcity of them made them feel more valuable and less like the throw-away dialogue that permeated Awakening’s and Fate’s supports. In the end, i just like the mechanics of the original a heck of a lot better.
“It was strategic.” Um…? So is the newer system…? Because there’s a greater limit on the amount of characters one unit can be supported by at one time, that prevents it from being overpowered. Maybe it lost the strategic aspect of choosing who to support with who, but I honestly hated that–it kind of sucks when you support two characters and the support conversations suck, because you just wasted what could have been a good moment for character development and you’re not going to get that back (despite what a lot of people say, older games’ supports weren’t really any better about quality, despite their low quantity–more on that later); this was an issue I ran into while playing Sacred Stones, and it’s probably one of the reasons I still haven’t been able to convince myself to actually finish it for once. Awakening was weaker in the aspect of strategy, because the main support bonus was RNG-based (even on top of the fact that characters actually get direct stat boosts that are shown to you now… even though you claim the boosts from supports are lesser??), but Fates improved upon it greatly, and it was such a good system that removing it honestly doesn’t feel like anything but an awkward stumble backwards in order to appeal to a crowd that sees everything through nostalgia-filtered goggles and who hasn’t been as good at supporting them monetarily as the rest of their audience anyway.
And… allowing unlimited grinding is a bad thing??? Huh?? What??? An RPG is a heavily RNG-dependent game. This goes doubly so for Fire Emblem, considering that every one of every unit’s level-ups is random, meaning that whether or not every unit is even usable, and, by extension, whether or not the game is even beatable, is random. It’s a glaring flaw for a game that’s supposed to be strategic, and although most seem to disagree with me, they would understand if their luck was bad enough; however, since reacting to good and bad level-ups is such a universal and iconic part of the Fire Emblem experience, I highly doubt that they’re going to change this, and as long as they don’t–as long as they allow the game to “break” itself for the player–they should allow the player to counter that by grinding freely. Sure, people will “abuse” this system (as if playing a video game in a way that’s most enjoyable to you can be considered an “abuse” of anything) to grind and become overpowered, but who cares? If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t do it. No one’s making you (a lot of people don’t seem to understand that, and it leads to dumb decisions being made, like making challenge battles impossible in Conquest without forking over even more money, just because they knew a lot of dicks would be too proud to play a game that *gasp* allowed optional grinding, therefore making the whole experience a lot more frustrating for anyone getting bad level-ups and locking people who weren’t as good out of that story experience–although that’s somewhat offset by the option of Phoenix Mode, but then, the people saying you shouldn’t be allowed to grind are generally the same ones saying Phoenix Mode shouldn’t be an option, sooo…). You know what? I hate reclassing. I hate changing my characters to a class that doesn’t match their portrait or their dialogue and dealing with the wonkiness of their stats just to get new skills. So you know what? I just don’t do it. I don’t say it shouldn’t be in the game, because it’s completely optional and I know a lot of people utilize and enjoy it. I just don’t do it and I enjoy myself and other people do it and they enjoy themselves and everyone’s happy just playing our video games the way we want to because we all live in first world countries and have that privilege.
I’ll agree with you on Fates supports being largely throwaway, but Awakening? Did we play the same game here? Awakening was the first time in the series that every character actually had effort put into them. Go back and read Path of Radiance’s supports. There’s… maybe five characters that the writers took advantage of supports to flesh out. Despite the lower number of supports, a huge amount of it is still filler. Most of these characters they didn’t even bother coming up with a backstory for. Seriously, who the heck is Ilyana or Kieran besides just a gimmick? Awakening has gimmicks too, but at least gives explanations or reasons for them, or makes sure the character is more than just that, if not trying to deconstruct them altogether. There’s a sexy dancer who’s actually really shy? That’s funny! Until you see her actually seriously having problems because of her social anxiety so much so that she struggles to even talk to some people, and you realize she probably has this issue because it was her alluring dancing that led to an attempted rape against her in the past. Holy crap! And it’s little things like this that make Awakening’s characters so beloved, as the Heroes polls showed–they benefited from the new support system because they all actually were shown to be very lifelike, distinct and believable, with many facets to them. Having a large number of supports ensured that even if some of their supports were filler, there were opportunities for a more meaningful support with another character. Also notice how unpopular the characters with very few supports were, and how frustrated fans were with that. Hmm…
In the end, there’s no accounting for taste–that is, subjectivity–but when it comes to objectivity, I can’t help but think that the newer support system is just plain better–not a distinctly different system, but an improvement upon the old one–even if there are some things about the old one that I like. Okay, one thing. Affinities. I really like affinities.
Disclaimer: This is not a an angry rant. I am just trying to have a discussion and I like to put a lot of thought into what I have to say. I am not trying to be mean. Positivity all around! (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧
Oh gosh. Wall of text. Uhhhh, I’ll try to respond but I’m bound to have missed something.
Anyway, I rather liked that you COULDN’T just support everything. You had to think about the bonuses available, what characters would most likely be next to each other, and such. But my main point is this: The supports did something tangible besides stat boosts when paired up like Awakening, AND your characters didn’t have to be next to each other for the bonuses. They just had to be within 2 spaces which allows for a lot more flexibility. On to the doing stuff part: support conversations were limited not because the game hated you, but because it would break the game otherwise. Giving Ike 5 ranks of earth supports in PoR gave him around 95 avoid when he was within range of 2 other characters. Broken? Yes. But, unlike Awakening, I didn’t feel punished for not maxing supports before battles. On harder difficulties, the game fully expects you to max supports to even have a shot at the harder levels. As for support quality, I will admit a few of Awakening’s were well written. There were also mediocre ones like how Chrom marries Sumia because she bakes pies, or the copy+paste father/child support conversations. Yes, I know why they did it, but they made them as generic as possible so they fit everyone. I didn’t run into any supports in the GBA or PoR that I didn’t like, but we probably supported different people. Some standouts that I remember were Lucius and Raven’s A support along with Mia and Rhys’ A support.
Idk if I said this, but I wouldn’t mind at all if they removed the cap but let you choose 5 supports (or just the first 5) for stat bonuses, but let you read the rest. And yeah, the affinities are what I really liked. It made the bonuses from each character distinct rather than generic.
And the grinding: call me crazy, but I like XP as a limited resource. You only get so much, so you allways need to judge if it’s worth giving to your pre-promote, your est-type, or your main party. It also means you can’t train everyone, as there just isn’t enough XP to do it, so each run can be unique as you train a different party each time.
And finally, before you say anything about nostalgia, here’s the order I played the games in:
8, 1/2 of 11, 13, 7, 9, 13 (again), 1/3 of 12, 6, 4/5 of 4, 2/3 of 14 (couldn’t make myself finish it) and RD when I get around to it.
So yeah, not really nostalgia speaking
Ahh okay I see what you mean about supporting from a distance in that it is useful, but it just doesn’t make any sense to me how a character could be helping another in battle when they’re that far away from each other.
As for support limits: there are both good and bad supports in newer and older games. The difference is that when there is a limit, once you unlock a bad support, you just wasted a resource that you had no way of knowing it was going to be bad. In theory you could look up the supports online, but that kind of dulls the excitement of unlocking and viewing one. Your idea of “unlock a bunch of supports but only get bonuses for a few of them” sounds nice, but there would be no need to limit them like that if a character could only be aided by the characters right next to them (makes sense) as opposed to getting bonuses from a bit of a distance (makes less sense)
I could maybe get behind you over experience being a limited resource if it weren’t for the fact that it can be so easily wasted through no fault of the player. What if you put everything you have into some characters but they just don’t pull through with their stat gains? There’d be no way of knowing if that would happen until it does, and when that happens, you’re screwed–you might even have to start over.
Between support limits and and experience limits, you push for a game that would need to be replayed multiple times to get the full experience. I don’t like that! Considering older games force you to bench a lot of characters or suffer the low levels of evenly distributed experience, that’s a lot of characters whose supports you’re not even going to unlock at all–plus the the fact that of those characters you do actually use, you’re only going to get five of your supports… I’m going to have to play the game many times over and over to even figure out which characters I even like. And if I don’t really like the characters after all is said and done? That’s a huge waste of time on something I paid money for to have an enjoyable experience. That’s a portion of my life I’m never going to get back, and it’s a much greater portion than if the game was designed for me to get a full experience on only one playthrough. Replays should be more optional than that.
And some of the stuff you said about Awakening is just plain silly. “It punishes you for not having enough supports”… huh? “on higher difficulties”… oh. Dude, if the harder modes are too hard, just don’t play them. That’s what the easier modes are for. And I’d much rather be “punished” for not having a lot of supports (my own decision–I mean, you kind of have to go out of your way not to unlock a lot of supports in Awakening) than for putting experience points into characters and not having it pay off (the game’s fault, not mine).
And… Chrom marries Sumia over pies?? Oh for crying out loud… it’s like people just see the word “pie” and forget that any other word was spoken in their supports! Pie was involved, but they were also talking to each other and building a relationship as they went. There weren’t even any pies in the C support! He doesn’t marry her just because she made him pies–although the gesture of willing making food for someone else just because you can is important to note–he marries her because she was going out of her way to support him and he was realizing how much he cared about her along the way. In the S support he even says, and I *quote*, “this is not about pies”. Yeah they do make some silly comments like “In between the fifth and sixth pie I thought to myself” and “I’ve felt this way since before the very first pie”, but even then, the pies themselves clearly aren’t the cause of the love, and I kind of thought those were intended to be… jokes. Not even jokes on the part of the writers or localizers, but jokes on the part of the characters–because love can be pretty silly, especially that giddy feeling that is so much like laughter, and I mean, it’s a marriage proposal: there should be smiles around anyway, so it’s not exactly an inappropriate time for jokes. Whether or not you find it funny is a different story, but saying “Chrom married Sumia over pies” is just a false statement, and that oversimplification of events is the kind of criticism that Awakening’s supports are unfairly subjected to a lot.
And I don’t think the “generic” supports with the characters’ fathers really made either character suffer that much, because each father still had his own dialogue written in his voice. Actually, I find looking through the same supports with different fathers a nice way to see smaller distinctions in their personalities. The only issue is that sometimes there are sometimes inconsistencies, like Ricken telling Brady he’s never had a teatime in his life or Severa telling Gregor she’s about his age.
But hey, affinities! We agree on that at least! I like it more from a meta standpoint–the implication (that is all but confirmed in the Path of Radiance Anthology) that mages are using spirits of the dead for their power, and what kind of spirit each character would be when they die–and also that each affinity has a sort of personality type that each character of that affinity exhibits traits of… aah!
Oops forgot to respond. Idk if you get my point sort of, but I get yours. Don’t really want to leave you hanging or just back out, but I don’t currently have the time to write a proper response, and I’ll forget if I don’t do something now. So yeah, we’ll agree to disagree. Idk if that response satisfies you, but I fully respect your opinion. This is the most lengthy civil discussion I’ve had with a fan of the newer stuff, and you get bonus respect for that. Nice talking with you.
Are there more story changes than just Alm leading the Deliverance in this trailer? Please answer this with just a yes or a no, I don’t want any spoilers whatsoever. Thank you in advance!
Not necessarily. Olivia and Azura don’t have very impressive stat totals, for instance, and dragons will always suffer the eternal Falchion curse of the omnipresent Marth/Chrom/Lucina. It’ll very much depend on the details of her weapon and what colour type of unit she is, is what I’m thinking.
Azura is a very strong fighter though. Her attack strength is very good, and against red units, which most units are comprised of, she can be very deadly with her Sapphire Lance. Also, even if she goes against Green units, she can easily turn over to a red unit that can fight green units. Its why she’s one of the S+ tier units.
We have Tiki (both versions) as red dragon units, Fae as green dragon unit, and CorrinF as blue dragon unit. Ninian will likely be a blue dragon unit, but at the same time could also be a green dragon unit.
Also, Julia with her Naga tome can also kill dragons, so the 3 Falchion users aren’t the only dangers.
Fair enough. And personally, I imagine she’ll be a Blue unit, ’cause to me that just makes sense (closest colour association with ice. They seem to do that almost everywhere in this game.)
Though I’m thinking she’ll probably get a brand new weapon. After all, none of the existing breath attacks would make sense for her. It’ll be interesting what they’ll do with that.
Yeah, blue unit is my first guess. There are no units that cannot attack. Even healers can attack, though they are very weak, the effects they give from it is somewhat useful.
None of the breath attacks makes sense for Tiki either. She’s a Divine Dragon, so her attack should be a Mist breath, but instead she has a Fire or Lightning breath. And Corrin is more associated with water, but has a dark breath. But yeah, since she’s an ice dragon, she should be using a different kind of breath attack.
Every character has to have an attack so it makes sense I do wonder if they’ll do it with her younger brother Nils since he never transform in the main game then again Sophia is also half Manakete but uses tomes but also I hope in a future remake they make her wield stones!
Given I finished The Blazing Blade last night, this announcement hit me right in the feels and stopped my heart for a split second so of course this gets all of my yes. I just wish I hadn’t spent 20 Orbs this morning and of course this is when FEH starts to phase out the daily Orb bonus…
*sob* All these characters look so beautiful with updated art and I want them so much and why can’t I have them all right now?! Especially Ninian! Having her at the top in portrait like that adds such a mysterious air to the whole piece (P.S. I downloaded this image as soon as I saw the tweet).
I WANT THESE CHARACTERS SO BAD!!! *bursts into tears*
I wonder why Patty was the last SR card. I thought it’d be Sety or Ishtar. Is Patty that popular in Japan?
Also, I remember seeing this screenshot (it was poor quality) that gave a glimpse of future cards. It seems like Aless and Leen may be coming out soon.
So, general impressions of the characters (beware, long comment incoming):
– Ninian is great. Dance + FORTIFY DRAGONS. OK. Now granted Dragon-focussed teams have a really rough time between the Falchion’s and Julia with the Naga tome… But if you don’t have that, good lord, that sounds potentially terrifying. On another note, I’m not terribly surprised seeing Light Breath, but I wish they’d just given her a new weapon. AND WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE HER FIRE BREATH!?
– Karel’s combination of Desperation and Defiant Atk sounds really strong on paper, but then you see his stats, and he’s not as fast as you’d expect… Not to mention somewhat lacking durability.
– Lucius’s concept seems gimmicky, I doubt it’ll be very strong. I get what they were going for, but it doesn’t it just take too long to get Miracle to work? Especially with Martyr slowing its activation further.
– Jafar looks interesting, though I’m not sure if/how his weapon’s effect compliments his stats. Definitely seems like one of the most offensively inclined Shuriken users thus far, though.
– Priscilla, a mounted healer with Rehabilitate (my personal favorite healing skill). A unique combination of attributes right there. Provides defensive support as well. She’ll be good. Really good. Maybe even the best healer?
– Rebecca. Yay, got this unit. Competing with Takumi is always rough, but she sets herself apart. Darting Blow makes her the fastest Archer during Player Phase, which compliments her good colourless Atk well. Furthermore, the rest of her skills obviously want you to pair her with a very bulky unit. Seal Atk means enemies won’t hit as hard (if Rebecca doesn’t kill them outright), letting a tank unit absorb their hits that much more easily, and these units can in term block stop the enemy from reaching Rebecca, while in a pinch, Rebecca can also provide some small healing. But sometimes that makes all the difference.
While training her up, I put Sheena on the same team, and she’s just really bulky all-around. Granted, the AI isn’t always the best representation of this, but for what it’s worth, this combination worked really, really well.
F!Corrin is strong to handle Lucina even Marth which imo is weaker Nowi too its all about when to strike and receive the support, Tiki can just bounce Hectors Armads with more def for Julia probably requires skill inheriting.
Something’s going down the day we get a skill that nullifies effective-against bonusses against Dragon units, something similar to, say, Iote’s Shield.
Spent $75 and with the leftover orbs from last event, the new orbs from this one and the orbs from the end of the voting gauntlet and managed to get 2 Jaffar, 1 Lucius, 1 Ninian and as an added bonus finally got an Azura and a Elise so not a bad summoning but honestly would have preferred a Rebecca or a Priscilla (or maybe finally a frekin Kagero /rage) instead of a 2ed Jaffar but I can wait on those.
It wasn’t in Fates either? The only dual audio game so far WAS awakening.
Now, the real question: Why not? 3 reasons:
1. Licensing costs or issues. In some cases, voice actors need to give their permission for their voices to be used outside of Japan.
2. NoA changed the script too much.
3. Space limitations. Self explanatory.
None are good reasons, but NoA can be downright lazy sometimes.
There were voice glitches in the Japanese audio in the localized version of Awakening that they did have problems with like the female Einherjars spoke with Robin’s third voice, making a new file without a soft reset will not work, and the second male Robin voice that you face Grima didn’t speak a word in the Final Chapter that I totally think that’s probably caused by the glitch. But, I did seen there was a post a thread that have a poll that alot of people voted English voices and only 4 people voted Japanese voices that I totally think that’s probably why alot of people stick using English voices.
Even if Awakening didn’t have it, I’d still ask for it because it’s nice to have. I can complain all I like, but there’s no way I’m ever passing on this game. These complaints are complaints, but they won’t stop my purchase. As for the voice acting, I never asked for it. I’m probably alone on this, but I’d rather a game with no VAs than bad VAs. DON’T GET ME WRONG, NOT ALL OFF THE VOICE ACTING IS BAD. It’s just the random cringe-inducing line readings that make me irritated, especially when I know I’ll be hearing those lines a lot.
Actually, stuff like this is usually what Nintendo and other companies want to hear – when people complain about what they dislike about a game or rave about what they love about a game, it tells game companies what they’re doing right/wrong so they can keep doing the things the fans like and correct the things the fans dislike because if people hate the game too much they won’t put any money into it. In this instance, chances are there’s not much they’ll change in future games because VAs are very difficult to get right on the first try for characters that didn’t have VAs before and it’s difficult to just swap a VA out because people get way more upset over that, but it’s still a good thing for Nintendo to hear that people don’t agree with their choices – maybe they’ll make better VA changes when bringing the Echoes cast to Heroes(which will happen soon if they want to continue raising hype for Echoes).
As for Dual-Audio, if Nintendo had made it work properly(i.e. they checked for glitches BEFORE releasing Awakening and didn’t botch so much of Fates’ Storyline in translation that Dual-Audio would have been even more confusing to add than the Storyline itself…which is saying something in certain places[looks pointedly at Zola]) it would have been a brilliant move, and frankly I loved that I could use the Japanese voices in Awakening – I even got one of my cousins, who is half-Japanese, to ask me about the game because I was playing with the Dual Audio on.
The thing is, Awakening have actually good english voice acting besides Olivia. Even she only particularly bad on battle grunts and not anywhere else. How Fates can have worse quality despite being a sequel to a supposedly final game in a series is a mystery to me.
0:26 of the 3rd video begs to differ. I can’t speak for you, but bad voice acting will ruin any game for me. I’m not annoyed that the voices aren’t the original. I’m annoyed that we’re getting a crap version while Japan’s has highly recognized voice talent. We get the short end of the stick because NoA is cheap. If the voice acting was consistently good, I wouldn’t be complaining.
FE has received some highly recognized English voice talent. I’m all for personal preference, I love Japanese voice acting as much as the next person, but I feel English va’s get too little credit. At worst they’re called trash by virtue of basically just being English.
I think most people who say they have issues with English VAs aren’t saying they can’t be pleased, I think they’re mostly just kind of miffed that Nintendo appears to still only really be focusing on Japan for Fire Emblem(anyone up for a game of Cipher?). Yes, we do have some good VAs(I personally loved Velouria’s battle quotes and Noire’s demon laugh), but a lot of the time Japan’s voice acting just sounds better – like Olivia, whose Japanese voice high pitch fit her character design so much better than her English lower one. On the other hand, there were some characters who made me wish I could custom-tailor my voice options per character so I could play with the Japanese voices for everyone else but keep their English ones – Basilio’s Japanese voice in particular made my ears hurt, and then there was Donnel…Anyways, my personal theory is there’s at least one guy up at Nintendo who thinks it was a bad idea to let the Americans see Marth and Roy in Melee all those years back because then they’d have to waste time throwing us enough scraps to keep us quiet, hence the censorship and translation problems a lot of Americans have with the game as it kind of feels like they’re babying us. Maybe I’m wrong, but it does seem a little weird at times the random things they change(I straight-up LOVE “Slappyface” though, not gonna lie).
I actually loved Olivia’s voice. Though, there isn’t really a voice I hate in the FE series. Even Felicia, which by everyone’s standards has bad VA, eventually grew on me and I couldn’t see her any other way than with that voice. Maybe this is because I have (or had) no prior knowledge of what the voices sounded like in Japanese, but even then, I am still grateful for them.
Felicia’s voice actress is probably the best and most talented in all of Fates. I didn’t know there were VAs that could pump that much personality into 2-second clips.
I was kind of with you until you mentioned Olivia.
That kawaii desu squealing is never acceptable on an adult. Ever.
Her English voice is still high-pitched, but not to an obnoxious extent, just to a realistic one. Her voice still shakes and she’s still quiet, and that’s enough to fit with her character.
Basically, her Japanese voice acting sounds like voice acting, and her English voice acting sounds like talking.
I misspoke. Some of the voice actors are fine and I don’t mind them at all. Alm isn’t half bad, and I wouldn’t mind his voice. But, just like dubs, the side characters get the lesser voice actors and, in a game fully voiced (like this is), that can ruin the experience for me. Again, it’s not the fact that it’s english, but the fact that it’s not consistently good. Genny’s voice oh gosh. That and Mae’s battle quotes are what ruined it for me.
The closest thing I can find on the internet to a definition of “Weeb” says “A non-Japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves Japanese. They try to learn Japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.” Admittedly, this isn’t necessarily trustworthy because it IS the internet and “Weeb” isn’t in any of the physical dictionaries my family owns so obviously I can’t check them, but I assume you can see the difference between this and the people on here. For anyone who doesn’t, have an example:
~My Weeb Impression~
(Based on a mix of what little Japanese I know[intentionally misspelled to mirror past experiences I’ve had – correct spellings are “Sugoi” and “Kawaii” if what I’ve checked is correct] and what I’ve seen people who fit above description say on social networking sites)
“I can’t stand English VAs because they all suck OTN compared to the ORIGINAL VAs, which were ultra sugoy! Genny’s VA especially sounded super kawaie!”
Just saying the Japanese VA is better than the English one isn’t being a “Weeb” – rather, it’s a statement of personal preference. For example, while I have usually found myself enjoying the JP VAs more than the English ones(though some of those are simply because I grew up with said character only speaking JP[COUGHROYCOUGH]), there are several characters who I liked better in English, such as Basilio, who sounds definitely like someone trying to be gruff and failing in Japanese, or Donnel, who sounds super nasally with Dual-Audio on. Then there’s Noire, who, while a little off-sounding in either language, sounds better in English. Then we have characters like Soleil, who I haven’t heard in Japanese and don’t think I’d like because her English voice just fits her somehow, and Palla, whose English voice for Heroes I promptly fell in love with even though I expected something a little older-sounding, and I’m honestly never going to look up the JP voice for because I found myself liking her in English so much.
I guess I spent a lot more words than I needed to here, but hopefully you got the main gist – it’s not being a “Weeb” it’s stating one’s opinion of the video. Maybe you don’t agree, maybe you do, but just dismissing them all as something they actually don’t qualify as makes it harder for people to take your opinion seriously as well. If you have to call names, perhaps go for “Whiners” – that’s more easily understood, and gives people a chance to react more calmly(for whatever reason, I’ve found calling people “Weebs” tends to just make them really, really pissed off at you) and explain their reasoning behind their opinion.
There wasnt a single bad voice in there. Why are people saying the voice acting is bad? None of these voices are on the level of Selkie, Peri, or “We’ve got trouble”
By english speakers. Ok, point taken, I rather it go die in a corner altogether. Except for the sub of Madoka Magika, which intentionally uses it to subvert expectations, or 2 certain characters from Danganronpa who use it to the same effect.
Do you realize how easy it is to die in this game? Not to mention that you can only bring 4 units, so you might not even have a healer on you. To send you back down to Level 1 or even drop a couple levels is downright cruel still.
Ateleir Faye: Alchemist of the Valentian Deliverance. Nice to see that Hidari’s artwork doesn’t stray too far from her roots, yet they do have that Fire Emblem charm.
Not sure how to feel about the Amiibo mechanics. Having an Einjehar mechanic is weird, especially with it being just another Alm or Celica. It’s redundant. I guess the other amiibo will give items, or maybe include the Hero Battles from Fates.
So they want to have an event that features permadeath… but it isn’t actually permadeath? How is that going to work?
I have a theory, but it’s only that. I was thinking that they will set up a series of map, that we have to challenge in sequence (with a select team of units?) and any units that get KO’d in the process won’t be usable in the event for its remainder.
Though honestly, I can’t really see that working any other way (yet). Gonna be interesting to see what they have planned.
Possibly, but I doubt it, seeing as we already have maps that deny the use of that item, so an event of the sort hardly seems new. And if you don’t use the Light’s Blessing in the first place, it would change nothing.
Yeah, but consider this. If we have an actual loss of units if they fall here, and how hard some units are to get, you essentially make yourself lose a unit that you could have spent so much money on for all we know. Such a thing would be absolutely unacceptable and would get Heroes to get a lot of bad publicity. So it has to be those maps like Arena battles where you cannot use Light’s Blessing.
I never suggested ‘actual’ permadeath. What I am speculating is a special series of (temporary, I didn’t mention that, but seeing as it’s an event, it seems like the logical conclusion) maps where defeated units cannot be used again on those maps specifically. So you could still use those units, just not for those event maps. I realize my wording may have been confusing, so sorry for that.
Believe me, I am very aware of the impact of actual full-on permadeath in Heroes and wouldn’t support it for a second myself. As part of a seperate event, though, and purely isolated to that event, I think that would be fine.
If it was something like a consecutive kind of battle or something, but units that lost cannot be used anymore would be interesting as if you want to keep using those units, you can try using some extra units you don’t use as possible canonfodder while saving your strongest units for last. That would indeed be interesting.
It would also promote the use of units with more longevity and the ones that help others survive, primarily all the healers that are just a little neglected right now.
Actually, aside from Elise, very few healers are that good, mostly because Elise has mobility and can heal 15 points of damage, and her special raises attack power by 4 points.
I’m aware of that, that’s why I say they are neglected. Though I did not know Elise was the generally favoured healer. I personally thought the ones with Rehabilitate were typically the most useful due to how much they could potentially heal. From low to full in a single turn seems really strong. And on that note, at first glance, I’d probably say Priscilla, who combines Rehabilitate with 3 movement. Fear also seems more useful than Slow, though the latter has a niche with a Draw Back user.
I found Elise to be pretty useful, probably cause she was the first 5* hearler I got in my team, and the second one I leveled up to 40. But she is pretty good, as her attack can actually do some form of damage to some units, meaning that she does have some offensive power, and Gravity works quite well in reducing unit movement if used right. And her Special Skill when healing makes you be able to give 4+ attack to all units, which is always helpful since the other units are essentially the attacker. Not to say that the additional 10 points heal special skill is bad, because that would be very useful, especially for Physic users.
This is my opinion: You play the “pemadeath maps” with your 4 units team (Exemple: Marth, Robin, Camilla and Takumi). And then, Robin died in a battle. Now, you can not use that Robin in the “pemadeath maps”. If you want to use Robin, you need to have another Robin, a different one.
So, if your unit die in theses maps, you can not use this unit anymore… in this mode, of course. This unit will be blocked, not be allowed to fight in this mode again.
The game’s events takes place in the year 401? Hmm… the timelines article I found on this web site says Marth’s games and Gaiden take place in the 600s, so does this mean Echoes has retconned when Alm and Celica’s quests take place? If so–and assuming the placement of Marth’s games didn’t change with the remakes–then it would be a little tough to explain how Palla, Catria, and Est would be running around with Alm and Celica. On the other hand, it gives a little more leeway to how Falchion could’ve hopped between two continents without anyone knowing (assuming Falchion is even still in Echoes; there’s a chance they replaced it with a completely different weapon).
I don’t think this’ll be a big deal in the long run, but unless they changed Falchion to a different sword and replaced the pegasus trio with different characters, we’ll have some continuity issues to work out. ^_^;;
The calendar used in this game is probably different than the ones used in the Archanea games, since it refers to itself as the Valentian calendar, and starts when the concept of a calendar was introduced to that continent.
Different calendars would explain a few things regarding the pegasus trio, but not so much the bouncing Falchion (as amusing an image as that is). That bit of continuity weirdness was there in the original version of Gaiden, but again, it’s easily fixed with a simple name change. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. 🙂
The FE1/FE3/FE:A Falchion is one Falchion as they all function the same, are said to be the same, etc. The weaker Falchion in SD is another Falchion as it’s obviously different. And, the FE2/SoV Falchion is yet another as it both functions differently–seals a goddess, has no starspheres–and is never said to be the same that I can recall.
With the Japanese subtitle being “Another Hero-King”, I think they’ll keep it as “Falchion” to continue drawing parallels with Marth.
As mentioned, the Falchion isn’t a unique weapon in the series and there can be more than one at a time. Whether through timey wimey shenanigans or just breaking a tooth from a dragon’s jaw.
There were two Falchions. Alm’s Falchion is just like Marth’s Falchion, except a different wielder. They’re two seperate swords with the same name and purpose.
The Amiibo data…that doesn’t look good for my hopes of Roy’s Amiibo doing SOMETHING in a Fire Emblem game. Nonetheless, I still cling desperately to the hope that they haven’t forgotten our boy.
Also, yay for an updated look for everyone so they don’t look…like they used to. That was…I still have nightmares about some of the old portraits…*shudder*
“Poor harvests caused the food-stocks of the Rigelian Empire to run dry. Rigel’s request for assistance from Zofia were met with rejection. Rudolf I himself led the troops to invade Zofia. Rigel and Zofia entered all-out war.”
So basically this is what Fates should have been but wasn’t.
So now that this feature is live, I am curious what sort of new, interesting, gimmicky or potentially broken inheritance options people have found. Slapping Close Counter/Distant Counter and Vantage onto everything remotely combat-competent is one idea, and I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of Life&Death and Fury being thrown around as well. That’s viable and legit, sure, but that’ll be kinda boring, so I was hoping people would share some (more interesting?) ideas.
If anything, a few things I thought of was passing Escape Route or Wings of Mercy to certain units, specifically dancers/singers/healers. The *raven tomes would be great to override any others without bonuses or *blade for countering Takumi or other colorless. *wolf tomes would also be another great choice for anti-cavalry. Breakers to improve one’s effectiveness against what they are already strong against can help, especially if they are slow like Effie. You already brought up Vantage, there’s also Quick Riposte that could achieve the same, or similar at least. Beyond that, maybe things that can boost a unit’s low stats like +Defense as the images above showed, or to just fill an empty slot. Hana’s been incredible for me, 1-shots Hector, I’d like to replace her Obstruct skill since that is completely out of place on her, so Pass may be an option, Desperation would be good too if she’s already low on HP, and Threaten Spd/Def/Atk would fill the void and give her better odds of killing or surviving. Any Threaten would be good on most units to weaken enemies as they are baited. Hone/Fortify could further increase the gap and almost guarantee victory. As for healers, transfer to them Rehabilitate and Recover and switch as necessary, warp healing, different Balms, Defiant or + Def/Res for durability. That’s all I can think of right now, not too many unique combinations.
I was also thinking that skills like Swap and Pivot are probably great for the armour knights as a pseudo movement increase, and the ability to inherit Goad/Ward, etc skills would allow one to customize a team of units of a specific movement type, even more so with soon-increased availability of the shield skills (like Michalis, who will no doubt carry Iote’s Shield. Suddenly, a team of fliers doesn’t just die outright at the mere sight of Takumi).
Very true, did not think of Pivot since I don’t use it nor do I use armored too often because of the 1 move. For something like the missions with “Beat X using 4 armored” it would be incredible to have all of them with Pivot, just flying across the map… Assuming there is space to do so, in which case Shove or Smite may help just as well. I have used Effie to Smite units across the lava and water tiles on certain maps. Pivot would also allow a knight to move in front of anyone that might have taken too much damage and they can immediately facetank a good hit or two (but I’ve always had knights too far away for that to happen thanks to the 1 move). I’ll certainly look into all of it more, just need more units now (and to not send home duplicates any more, but there goes some feather income).
I plan on sticking a defiant skill on my 5 star Nino for that beautiful +7 atk, and maybe desperation. The only problem is making sure she doesn’t get 1hkod.
I was thinking about GaleForce – sure, it takes a freakin’ 5 actions to charge, but assuming it isn’t locked to Lyn/Cordelia that’s an option, especially for someone like Roy, who doesn’t seem to get any sort of battle Skill as far as I can see. Admittedly, you’re sacrificing Lyn for Roy, which a lot of people I know would say is a bad idea, but that’s a thought. Another thing you could do is give Olivia/Azura a battle Skill like Luna(Night Sky) so they have more offensive power. Also trying to figure out how I can get my Sakura to be better, so if anyone’s got a suggestion, mine is at 4S right now with almost all available Skills already unlocked.
The real question: Can I get rid of my Alfonse/Sharena/Anna to give their decent Skills to a Unit that I’ll actually use? I’m assuming no, but still have fingers crossed.
My only regret about Inheritance was that I pulled a second 5S Camilla and used it to boost my other Camilla – definitely would have saved her if I’d known ahead of time because Brave Axe/Draconic Gaze.
You can’t get rid of Alfonse/Sharena/Anna. Ever. Trust me, I checked.
Remember that you can also have a unit inherit a skill for a slot they already have occupied. Now, Roy does have a unique weapon, of course, but otherwise, as far as sword units are concerned, even without skills, he’s got stiff competition. So yeah, personally, I wouldn’t soon use lose Lyn for Galeforce on him (if I had either in the first place). Unless you really like Roy’s Binding Blade, I feel it may be more worthwhile building up another sword unit.
That’s my personal opinion, though. Maybe you really like Roy, in which case, more power to you. After all, with in Inheritance, you can make pretty much anyone worthwhile. Maybe not the best, but hey.
The sad thing is that Close Counter and Distant Counter belong only to Takumi and Hector respectively, and the odds that you’d actually want to get rid of them is nil. You’d have to get multiple Hectors and Takumi and then use them up.
Maybe – I think either Genealogy will get a redo first as it’s the next oldest game(plus nobody at Nintendo loves Roy as far as I can see), or we’ll get an English version of New Mystery of the Emblem, but after that, Binding Blade’s the only Japan-exclusive, plus even Nintendo should be able to see how much fans would pay to get to play Roy’s story legally, and not even just FE fans at that – the only reason I got into Awakening was because I wanted to know more about the two new guys from Smash Bros.(Lucina and Robin), so it stands to reason that the same rule would apply to Re:Binding Blade.
FE 6+7 only makes so much sense. they could get tactitian/mark as an actual playable charecter and it wouldn’t change much, and they could work with the children mechanic for FE6 charecters and actually introduce more charecters for desendents of FE7 charecters. and people loved FE4’s childern mechanic.
Genealogy’s 2-Gen mechanic is why I think it’ll be next for a remake instead of them fusing Roy and Eliwood’s stories into one game next – that was part of why a lot of people liked Awakening and Fates so much. Frankly, I doubt we’ll ever see New Mystery in English outside of fan-translations, but it is still an option. Either way, whichever we get probably isn’t coming for a couple years since they’re working on FE for the Switch right now.
Almost. For instance, special weapons like Falchion, Durandal, Armads, etc are character-specific, and some skills are specific to certain types of units. A Dragon cannot inherit Svalinn Shield. A Cavalier cannot inherit Goad Fliers. A ranged attacking unit cannot inherit Knock Back. Just a few examples of exceptions.
Still, we’ll have to see how broken units can really get. And who knows, if any unit does get outrageously broken, perhaps we’ll get rebalancing measures to compensate. Maybe.
The rebalancing measure is presumably arena matchmaking, but we need more details to know for sure. They made it sound like they’d heavily rate skills in matchmaking now. That would be nice if they do it well. A good matchmaking system would also allow them to more fairly reward points on factors like value difference between you and your opponent, survival and time to clear rather than just strict point value of your opponent and survival like they do now.
To me, they’d need to both make the good matchmaking and re-work rewarded points like that in order to fix the system entirely. Beyond that, the only hope would be proper use of the tier system so everybody with broken stuff gets cordoned away in higher tiers over time.
The voice is decent. Not as good as Awakening highs, but at least not as low as Fates. It looks like there will be more voiced lines in Echoes than the previous game.
How else would you have inheritance work? The demand for Orbs/Feathers is high enough as is, and without some sort of cost, I feel like the game would just explode.
I suppose right now the issue more than anything is getting 5-star units, either through direct pull or upgrading them there. 20K Feathers is still a lot, and I feel constantly compelled to use my feathers on 3-star units to upgrade them into 4-star ones, because a lot of them can be good, and even more now that inheritance is a thing, seeing as many only get their valuable skills from 4-star on.
Yes. You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the new games.
Some old fans might behave frustrated at times because one of their favourite series went off track, but the respone to mere criticism is pretty awful.
You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the old games, no matter go good of a reason they have. Some new fans might be frustrated at times because they’re being treated like they’re doing something wrong by having fun, but the response to having different taste is pretty awful.
It’s like crying wolf–so much of the so-called criticism of newer games is just plain stupid that it’s no surprise some people have stopped listening to it altogether. But seriously, if you hang around the blogs and such of newer fans, you’ll see they have plenty of criticism about what wasn’t good and what could have been handled better. “Not being able to handle criticism” is something I’ve only ever seen coming from older fans.
Wow! I did well getting Anna to 4 stars, she will see some use on my arena score! Wait, wait… I also have Ursula, Rebecca and Fir… this time I can make a team of all focus heroes for the first time!
So for anyone who have played the original game, is it ever a good idea to give mages a melee weapon? I know shields is a better option but I like a hybrid betweem melee and magic.
I started to level up Ursula for the Arena, and I gave her Felicia’s skill: Glacies, which bost her attack with 80% of her Resistence, and… OhmiGosh, she is amazing! Too bad that Blarwolf is only Mt 6, but at least it is good against cavalry.
My team (cleared Lunatic on first attempt after using Hard to scout the map), plus suggestions for non-randomly obtained substitutes:
1. Narcian (4* Max Level) baited and ORKO’d the lace pegasus, also killed the lace soldier on the left. 3* version can probably handle this since he shouldn’t need all 3 ranks of Lancebreaker to do his job. In my strategy, Narcian’s role as a flying green who can ORKO the lance pegasus — without baiting anything else in the process — was not replaceable by other free units, so hopefully you have him or a good substitute (you could consider baiting Michalis instead, if you have a red flier).
2. Takumi (5* Max Level) killed the other pegasus, though any decently leveled archer should work fine (Virion is available for free, and I believe Gordin will be featured in the upcoming Focus if you dismissed or transferred the former).
3. Tharja (5* Max Level) easily ORKO’d Michalis. Sadly, the free, neutral-natured Raigh and Sophia won’t be fast enough to double Michalis without skill transfers (need at least 32 speed), so field a refresher — Ninian, or Azura, or the free Olivia — to help either of those two, field a different, faster mage, or use another strategy. Remember that Michalis isn’t weak to bows thanks to Iote’s Shield.
4. Marth (5* Max Level) handled the sword cavalier on the left and was basically filler for my team. If you don’t have a reliable way to ORKO Michalis, this spot could be used for Olivia, who is available today (March 20) in the Special Maps, or another refresher. If you field Raigh in slot 3, he should able to deal with the sword cavalier with Olivia’s help, assuming Rauðrwolf doesn’t OHKO.
It was up for at least 2 hours, which is a bit of an improvement. I was able to snag one, but I’m hoping I’ll be able to snag one from amazon and save a good $20
I’ve already preordered my copy of FESoV so preordering again would be a waste, besides it’s not like it’ll even be in stock for more than a few minutes before the scalpers get to them.
I’m messed up about the guy pronounced it as “val-en-TEE-uh” when, considering the alternate spelling is Valencia, by all means it should be “val-EN-shia”
GS was willing to let me switch my preorder from the SV to the LE over the phone, but I couldn’t preorder the Amiibos that way, so I left work a few hours early to get that done. The guy said I was the third preorder to switch to the limited edition, but it and the Amiibo dual pack were still available.
I really hope that the summoning for “one turn” is a typo or something… It seems like making a whole character animation for one turn of Marth, Ike, etc is a bit of a waste and a letdown. Perhaps one map or match, instead of one turn?
Eh, went for the regular edition with amiibo’s. Artbook and pins would be nice to have but I’ve been through the whole absurd, obsessive freak-out agony that is hoping for stock to come back (and that game turned out to suck so… so badly). Energy that doesn’t need to be spent.
In the footage released by Rebekah Valentine from apptrigger.com, the actual PAX East trailers, Saber was running around with it on a map of Celica vs Terrors and Grieth’s crew
Hmm, those Lunatic Quests don’t seem so bad. And unlike another recent set of quests, these don’t demand you do the same thing 5, 10 or even 15 times. This is pretty easy by comparison. And in total, that’s 20 orbs in all. Thank you kindly! And those 10 extra stamina potions make the process that much quicker and less painless, if you want to use them for this. I think I’ll save my orbs for the next banner, though.
Echoes looks great so far, but I think we knew that already.
You manage to get through 9-5? I managed to get through the others with some difficulty, but this last one is the toughest, since I need to bring an axe user, but hardly anyone seems suited to fight.
Kind of wish Heroe’s would produce more time-consuming story-content. (I know they said they’ll update the story every 2 weeks and yes I’ve played other gacha games before). Because while its normal for banners to be up for like 2 weeks, typically when new stuff comes around the events that follow take up that amount of time. (This is from previous experience from Fate Grand Order and GrandBlue Fantasy)….because basically Heroe’s just gives us a new banner but only paralouges that can be finished in 1-2 days. Leaving the remaining 12-13 days of boredom and grinding. Or when they last updated the story like a week ago it was only one brief xenologue…..like I kind of expected to get a full chapter (5 battles)….but….yeah….we waited that long for just one chapter with one battle. I would be fine with the way they’re currently doing things if instead of having 2 weeks of Blazing Shadows it was instead 10 days….considering I finished the paralogues in one day.
Plus they’re really taking too long to update these characters. Considering they have all of these games to utilize they’re releasing new characters at a snails pace (again, I know they basically want it every 2 weeks. That means that we’ll only get like 28 new banners in a full year. At the very minimum if there’s 4 new characters per banner that means 112 characters a year. Not counting that they literally will take a break from new characters to do a rate up of existing characters whenever we have a grand battle…..so what I’m saying is that they’re able to stretch this content out for years (I’m guessing they want to so they’re able to somehow incorporate the new FE that’s coming out on Switch).
I mean hell, I’m not saying just release a full games worth of characters at once. What I’m saying is that at least change things up by replacing some existing characters with newer -not as important to warrant their own banner- characters. Like would it kill them to replace Virion with like….Will from FE7? Neimi from FE 8? Or hell, even give us the same characters but as different colors to go along with class changing. Like instead of having red Stahls, give us a blue Stahl…..ugh.
So this can be summed up that while Heroes has been generous with the amount of freebies they’re giving out, they’re still working at a snails pace. They need to create content that is able to last as long as the banners they release. Not give us 2 weeks of the same new characters while only giving us paralogues that can be completed in a day.
Inb4 someone tells me that there’s still stuff to do in that game. Because oh yeah, just arena grinding for feathers is “So Fun” If it wasn’t for these new quests I would be bored as hell. Difference is that these missions are being played on already existing chapters so its not anything new. After the April updates come in they really need to take a look at the actual story and work on that.
But I’ve been spending money on this game so its not like I’m stopping anytime soon. I just hope there’s more for me to do than just to log in at night and get my orbs, do 3 arena battles, and do random orb quest grinding.
… Sigh… so any idea how to beat 9-2 – 9-5 on Lunatic? Because I am having a shitty hard time winning without losing any comrades. Its like you HAVE to use the Light’s Blessing to win.
It’s about time Aless and Lene were finally released. One of the most underrated couples in the series ever. I like how you see Bramsel perving in the background of Lene’s. They really went bold on Lene’s design.
And hooray it looks like the subs are getting cards after all!
Also I really like how they made Kellam’s holographic. That’s a nice touch.
I’m in the same boat! I saved a lot for the last new banner but all I wanted was Ninian, and I was lucky enough to get her with ~40 Orbs left. I don’t really care much for the Michalis banner either, so now I’m sitting at 130 Orbs, twiddling my thumbs. Hoping we get something cool next week!
They pack some useful skills for inheritance at least. Eliwood’s Axebreaker and Ward Cavalry, Selena’s Triangle Adept and Reposition, Gordin’s Brave Bow and Vantage, and Minerva’s Life&Death and Ward Fliers (and she’s a solid unit in her own right). All skills that I’d personally find spots for on other units with ease. I’d happily get any of them for that.
old fashioned supports huh? I’m game as long as they don’t have a maximum support point per map like back in the day, save for maybe one support per map.
The game looked so awesome at Dutch Comic Con. <3 Too bad it was on easy though, it was a breeze to play through if you played any Fire Emblem game before. I was still really happy to play it, and there wasn't even a line. I was able to start playing the moment I arrived at the stand.
Did they show what this Rinean girl looks like during at the Dutch Comic Con? I did heard someone mentioned it the she gives the player with the Azura vibes and she is the girlfriend or fiancee of Berkut.
Haven’t seen her. I also skipped all story stuff because spoilers. I also barely used any units aside from Alm and Clive because Alm could tank everything and Clive becauseof his movement. So I honestly barely even remember what units I was able to use. ;p
These are great changes, especially the unit placement! I know I had been screwed over on a few maps simply because my units were in the wrong spots… >_<
Or the one that puts just one in the room that would normally have Ryoma. That one sucks when you get your squishy Nino stuck in there with nowhere to run.
All of these are big YES-ses. Starting positions should’ve been a thing from the start. This will take a LOT of RNG-screwage out of the game. Especially in a game where movement range is so small, this can be absolutely crucial to the outcome of a battle.
Increased Stamina Pool is also long overdue. Stamina is EASILY the most complained-about aspect of the game, especially since literally just TWO runs of the later story maps would already consome almost the entire gauge. The increased gauge should make it a lot more forgiving, and it buffs up the value of stamina potions as well. Better be saving those till the update hits.
Increased EXP for lower-star units? …To be honest, it’s not the first thing I’d have thought of, but it is a logical change, since these weaker units are in fact harder to train. I welcome the change.
Most definitely. It was annoying going into battle, only for my placement to be so bad that I get screwed over. This should have been the thing that was given from the start. Not being able to change placement is really bad.
My god, how this will make using the stamina up so much easier. Like, now I don’t have to worry that I gotta wait forever, and if the stamina reaches 50, then it won’t continue and if I’m working, that’s stamina points that could be recovering being lost. XP
Good thing I have all that stamina potions saved.
Given how little we get 5* units, and get a lot more lower* units, this is good.
I can understand that stamina and exp are concepts that needed some testing and feedback before being updated, but I feel like the ability to arrange your units prior to battle should’ve been included from the beginning.
So with all these new changes coming up, hopefully they start working on the story and events to be more….impactful? Like having 99 stamina to use is nothing if there’s nothing to spend it on since at this point I don’t need to train any of my units and I just do 3 arena battles a day. When they updated the story last time I kind of expected to have more than just one xenologue chapter. Even these banners take too long to change. While gacha games do have banners for 1-2 weeks, they create content to go along with the banner that’ll help players be occupied (like Fate G/O and GrandBlue). But them just creating short paralogues that can be completed in a day is wasteful since the remaining 13 days are spent in boredom or random grinding. But seriously, is there a place fans can actually write their concern about this game to the creators?
Hoping that Chrom turns out to be a decent axe user. I’m low on green units. To any neigh-sayers, you would be surprised. Some alternate outfit characters tend to be better than their original counterparts (well at least with my experience with Fate Grand Order). These all may be gag characters but there’s potential for them to fit within your team (or just use them for skill sacrifices if you’re into that).
IMO that’s very unlikely if SWITCH is the target console since that’s going to be expensive to make. 3ds is possible assuming Nintendo doesn’t pull the plug next year.
You mean to say like how there hasn’t been a remake of an FE game on a Nintendo’s home console? You have no precedent to back up your claim. Tellius is also one of the worse selling FE game.
You’re the one who couldn’t accept the precedents. No remake so far on consoles. The 2 FE game on a home consoles are gigantic flops. What happened to WiiU again? Flop. A home consoles asset require far more time and money than a handheld. Would you really think Nintendo would waste that kind of resources on an FE remake on a home console? Not even the best selling Wii got a FE remake. What makes you think SWITCH can hold a candle with those Wii sales?
Tellius-like sales here we come with the transition to SWITCH!!!
Isn’t the switch a handheld and console hybrid? So they’ll be making a game for both console and handheld play. FE switch is already announced so that means they have been working on a FE engine for that platform which they can regurgitate for future fe games on switch. Asset creation would obviously be more expensive to produce than 3ds ones but Nintendo is surely going to want IS to buff up the switch library.
Remakes don’t seem that unlikely if echoes does well enough and the series’ popularity continue to grow, especially considering that they can sell it to both old and new fans (and how Nintendo as a whole love remakes lol). This may not be the case before but the fire emblem brand has certainly gained more recognition throughout the years and it would be a good idea to use previous games as groundworks for future projects.
Of course I feel like they would remake fe4 (which has a large following in Japan) first before hd remastering Tellius but who knows. Right now we’re just hyping about what we have so far with echoes: SoV, fe switch etc, which is already pretty swell.
Your making yourself look more rediculous just stop….also using the WiiU as a attempted argument is laughable marketing is everything not what the console is plus soon Pokemon’s gonna follow suit as well.
You do know the difference of a home console and a handheld right? The cost alone to make it won’t justify the remake. Ever wonder why MonHun stayed on 3ds/PSP ? Not to mention Tellius is also one of the worst selling FE game and guess what it’s on a home console.
I thought they didn’t put Monster Hunter on consoles most of the time, because local play was so important to it, especially in Japan. Same thing with the core Pokémon games, and why they haven’t appeared on a console before. The Switch would solve that issue, though.
Of course, costs is probably also part of the equation, but I doubt that’s the sole reason.
Ok. I see your points and they are problems that can occur. I do believe, however, with Fire Emblem’s new popularity, cost won’t be an issue anymore. Really NONE of the fire emblem games sold well before awakening, so that’s probably why there was never a remake. I assume with the series revival, there will be more room to experiment and make a remake or two.
Where are you basing that? All remakes have been on handhelds since they are cheaper to make. With how awful Tellius sold they better thread carefully with this one.
All the remakes are on handheld because all the remakes were made after they switched to handheld only. And “cheaper to make” also applies to making games in an existing framework, which is why i suggested it would come after Fire Emblem Switch.
And then there is the fact i think of the Switch as a handheld too.
IMO it’s too early to judge that. Japan is not that fond of home consoles. Nintendo should expect lower sales with the transition to Switch not mention the probability of Switch being another WiiU 2.0 which means lack of 3rd party support.
Gee, a guy who conceals his identity behind a mask??? I wonder who else did that(Sirrius, Black Knight, Mysterious Man, Lucina). Still, I wonder who this guy is….
I have to say, I’m kind of disappointed by this set. Maybe they’ll turn out to be strong, but wen in that case it would be weird to put one of these four on your team. Im not really against alternate artwork as a concept, but I’m not a fan of these four.
I can’t decide. Do I spend my precious orbs and pull? Or do I not pull. I don’t particularly care for any of them, but Camilla is currently the only mage flier, and Lucina and Chrom both have at least one very useful skill in Swift Sparrow (I’d pass that on through inheritance for sure) or Axe Experience (which would just be an incredible long-term investment for training up Axe units). Xander… looks like dead weight, though. I’m completely F2P, so I don’t want to just throw in my orbs at the first opportunity I get.
well had a fair amount of luck on this one and got everyone and a few others fairly easily. However with my track record in mind that means I’m getting jack shit for the next 2 banners I try for.
63 stones and my very first pulls were 5-stars: Cordelia, Julia, & Abel. All in a row. Everything else was pretty much either ass or straight up skill inheritance material. But I’ll take what I can get. I’m just happy I now don’t have to spend 20,000 feathers on upgrading my 4 star Abel
The fact they made a whole web site dedicated to this is so extra. I would live if this actually became a Fire Emblem game but all of the content was just hilarious and not taken seriously. Like a satire on FE itself. Would be so meta, bruhhhhh.
Run like Melos, Marth!
The sad thing is I could see it work as a cute vaporware game, kinda like megaman 9-10, if they ever wanted to make it. The shogun spritework made me chuckle.
Nice one, Intelligent Systems.
Combining parties is very obvious a thing that’ll happen not because of obvious official pairs for the ending but because of more character interactions that might’ve not happen in the original.
I noticed that it is past the ending. So if it’s not a new main villain, is it just a good excuse for children? At least it’s a better excuse than Fates’.
What about Cordelia? She seems to have a possible chance.
Ugh, this isn’t like the last one. I knew for sure Lucina would win. Granted, even if she wasn’t a shoe in, I’d choose her, since she’s my fav.
Cordelia is very popular, given how she was voted as a top character apart from Tharja. Though for the Heroes poll, Camilla does rank higher. But yeah, Camilla does have the advantage given that she has the bunny outfit, complete with more sex appeal on it.
When the last voting poll was up, I said “the only one who could possibly beat Lucina, prince, princess or otherwise, is probably Camilla.” I still think thats mostly true
I pick who I actually like and thats My Awakening wife Cherche she, Cordelia, Hinoka and MAYBE Minerva(princess) are popular and has a decent chance but I really don’t care about polls like these too glorified and predictable I pick who I love show IS I care about the other characters!
Oh trust me, I would go for who I love most as well. But unlike the Prince vs Princess one, I don’t have anyone here that I really like. I love Lucina, so of course I chose her. But here, no one really gets me wanting to go for them.
So many focusses running at the same time, yet so few orbs to spare (and no, I’m not putting in money). Doesn’t help they decided to cut the login orb bonus now of all times.
Oh my god, the worst Grand Hero battle EVER. And I don’t mean its too hard. No, the opposite. Its too EASY! Didn’t even break a sweat beating everyone. RobinM literally SLAUGHTERED the Ninjas in an instant. Navarre went down quickly, and Lucina cut that axe user down to size. Rebecca could literally take the rest herself as well.
Interesting, unlike last time, each side doesn’t first fight it out amongst themselves. Well then.
I think Camilla is going to crush Hinoka, and I expect Minerva to beat Palla convincingly as well. Subaki vs. Beruka and Cordelia vs. Cherche might be a bit more interesting.
Cherche lets go she has good chance now! Hinoka might have a decent chance, Subaki bye!, Palla and Minerva are interesting still its gonna be another pointless one which I hate…
So far she did a good job getting so high only thing I care about in these contest is the love each character outside the obvious gets show IS we love the other characters!
I got it on my first try. Robin was perfect for the job. Even the Lunatic version was easy.
I couldn’t decide, so I literally made my own tournament with the characters… and flipped a coin. Camilla won in the end.
I like Palla, too. To be honest, I like the characters given, some of them at least, but its just none of them really get my interests up that much. I only chose Camilla cause she won the coin toss. I’d have gone for anyone in the end.
I got Navarre after beating Hard mode, but there’s no way in HELL I am getting him from Lunatic mode, because Grand Hero Battle Lunatic mode is bullshit!
As for the second Voting Gauntlet? Well, guess who I will be rooting for? A certain Wyvern Rider and a certain princess of Nohr…
FYI, most of my characters are 4-Stars, especially Kagero and Sophia, and they’re still weak in Lunatic mode. Face it, kid, none of the Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode is easy, never easy at all. So I’d say “Screw the Lunatic Grand Hero Battle”, it messes with our lives, hard!
Kagero is actually stupid good on this map, as all the enemy units are infantry units. Kagero gets effective damage on all of them, so I imagine you could make it farther you may think, with a little bit of strategy. Maybe you can throw in some buffs, or maybe you have a dancer… perhaps you have a sturdy lance unit sitting around for the left end of the map to intercept Navarre?
Besides, it’s only like 15 stamina, making an attempt or two surely won’t hurt that bad. You have something decent to gain, and very little to lose.
I don’t care if it cost low stamina, kid, I’ve had enough with those God forsaken Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode, and there’s nothing you can do to make me play those ever again, misguided kid! The Grand Hero Battle against Michalis in Lunatic mode is where I drew the line, I don’t even want to bother playing those tedious Lunatic modes of any Grand Hero Battles, ever again.
So, I’m giving these Lunatic Grand Hero Battles a middle finger salute, f*** Lunatic Grand Hero Battles, f*** it.
Maybe for you, because you obviously used all 5-Star level 40 characters, while mine are all 4-Star characters who aren’t level 40 and still weak, lucky cheating punk!
You’ve already been presented with a video of someone beating this GHB with purely free 3-star units of level 40. That’s proof that, so long as you put in the time and effort to grind some units up to level 40, and build your team with some care, you most definitely stand a chance in these GHB’s. Doesn’t mean it’s easy, of course, but at some point you have to stop blaming the game’s design and your poor luck, because even that can be overcome.
I beat it using just 4-star Units that weren’t 40 – Roy(34), who as far as I can tell got BADLY shafted in the overall stat department(the level took me about six tries because he kept getting slaughtered on defense), Sakura(36), who isn’t the most tanky healer nor the best attacker for her weapon type, Palla(30), who’s ok at 4-Star I guess, and Kagero(26), who only managed to not die because extra damage against infantry Units for those close shave kills. I would recommend abusing the Inherit Skill option together with the Training Tower for future Grand Hero Battles. I do feel your pain, though, this is the very first Grand Hero Battle I’ve been able to beat, period – I got wiped out against all the others, in part because I still haven’t pulled even a halfway-decent Blue Unit and in part because all my good pulls only happened in like the past couple days.
How was I being rude??? I literally just asked this person if they’ve attempted the GHB or not, as the opening comment implied they did not, but you really draw conclusions on it without having actually tried it. I’m seriously confused why I’m being accused of rudeness.
So then give him the tips if you knew his statement implied he didn’t complete it. No use in leaving a vauge response, that can be interpreted in multiple ways. Personally, I saw that comment as snarky… I should probably stop being a pessimist though…
Yea, online its sort of hard to tell peoples actual meaning with any sentence, but reading over, I definitely see your first comment as having little to no snark. Lol, I hate misunderstandings…
I don’t know what you meant by cheating, just look at the video and redo the same strategy, it will work..
He just upgraded his two Olivia (the 1* and the 2*) to get two 3* Olivia.
Plus, if you’re considering using 2 dancer is “cheating”, he did it with another team, and this one does only use 1 Olivia.
The only troll I see is you, childish troll. Nothing you can do can convince me to suffer playing Lunatic Grand Hero Battles. You failed, childish troll, Lunatic Grand Hero Battles are hard AF, and you know it. Ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck losing in the Voting Gauntlet.
For the Whitewings!
…hahahahahahano – I’ll be fighting for Palla, but my hopes aren’t super high for her team. I mean, she has to beat Minerva? Really? And then she’ll have to do better than Beruka, Cherche, and CAMILLA?! Unfortunately, I don’t see how she’ll be able to do better than such fan-favs…but meh. I just binge-read Hasha no Tsurugi, so…can’t know unless we try!
Joined Minerva’s army probably do well until the final were she’ll probably lose to Camilla but Minerva is my favorite of the bunch so it is her banner I wave.
That makes sense. But take a look at the Whitewing sisters. They’re related, so…
Totally possible for Clive and Clair’s parents to have either blond or red (or blue) hair, btw.
As far as genetics go in early Fire Emblem titles, there really wasn’t much of a reason to change her hair color.
I can’t help but appreciate the aesthetic of the character designs in this game, generally being more grounded and modest, especially after some of the designs the more recent games have been putting out. Granted, Fire Emblem has never been terribly much a stranger to characters in questionable attire here and there, but some of the outfits of characters in Awakening and Fates especially were just kind of ridiculous.
If the pattern is still up, she can very well do the character designs of the next remake of fire emblem! I hope they can remade shadow dragon/mystery of the emblem with a better story, focus on certain characters,etc!
I don’t think we need yet another FE1+3 any time soon. And the wish for better story might not be possible at the moment considering their horrible track record for the past two games. Hopefully Echoes’s story is done well enough.
I believe he will be better … or equal to luciana (sword) and hector (ax). To be honest, at the beginning of the game I only tried to get a 5-star team, after I got it! I’m saving orbs for characters of path of radiance and radiant dawn. (150 orbs now)
Equal more likely. Given how he is in the games, he’ll be a hard hitter with slow movement. Meaning he’s likely to get doubled easily, but he can still tank some blows.
What games are you talking about? If anything, he’s more of a speed unit in Path of Radiance. You sure you’ve played any on Ike’s games? He’s not like he was in Smash and Fates.
Given that we have two different incarnations of Ike, one from PoR and one from RD, and that both will be in the game eventually, I do think PoR Ike will be represented with more balanced stats, with a slight bias towards speed. PoR Ike is actually an exceptionally well-rounded unit. HP and Magic aside for fairly obvious reasons, his stat growths come in at about 45% across the board, and never deviate more than 10% from it; Luck sitting at 35% growth, and Speed at 55%.
Radiant Dawn Ike, though, yeah, he’ll probably be the slow powerhouse type. He’s only got 35% speed growth in that game, though he maintains most of the rest of his growths. Also lower resistance. RD Ike’s Res growth (15%) is pretty poor, compared to PoR’s 40%.
Of course I haven’t. The games are expensive and hard to find. I watched the gameplays instead. I was thinking more on the latter games and Radiant Dawn since that was the last Ike I saw. Since its unlike we’ll get two versions of Ike, we might get the Path of Radiance Ike, since he was the most popular voted male character.
I’m thinking it’s going to depend greatly on the traits of Ike’s weapon. I mean, he’s almost definitely going to end with the Ragnell, which had two effects in PoR. +5 Defense, and the ability to fight at range. I highly doubt they’d make both inherent to the Ragnell at the same time, though if they give him one, I can see them also give him Distant Counter or Def+3 to reflect whatever trait they don’t give the Ragnell.
Best news of the month for me. At that moment I am 150 orb, now reserved for Ike
(Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance – My first and best game I played in the series fire emblem)
Agreed with all points usually bout once a year I still go an play PoR, such a good game. Just hoping Soren, Jill, and Nephenee are in the first wave of Tellius characters.
After Summer that sucks wish all 4 special costumes were sooner oh well at least those looking foward to Ike will like the news I want Micaiah waaaaay more before him!
Yes! About time! And with Ike coming, I think it’s safe to assume that he’ll bring some friends along (and maybe enemies?) as well. Some Greil mercenaries, perhaps? Not holding my breath for Laguz just yet, though I definitely would like to see some of those as well (and I’m very curious how they plan on implementing them whenever they are going to cross that bridge).
It’s odd. These comments are all on the character designs, while here I am wonder why the heck Celica is a ghost. I’ll admit I don’t know Gaiden’s story to the fullest, but what is going on there?
Game is looking less crappy the more I see it. I’m not a fan of the game mechanics of Gaiden nor do I want them to keep going in that direction after this game, but in the context of just this game I think I can bear with it. I really hope we get a return to form in terms of Radiant Dawn gameplay some day. Or if they decide to remake 4 and 5, I would hope they retain as much of the gameplay there as possible, and not infect it with the new age FE carp.
AAAAUGH I COMPLETELY FORGOT THE VOTING GAUNTLET NOOO PALLA WHY?!
Oh look, the Mistress of Fanservice won…was there any reason we even needed to HAVE more than one round? We should have just put “Camilla” and “Everyone Else” and watched what happened…except Camilla still would have won.
Omega here on Disqus thought Cordelia could feasbily win.
I tried to warn the fella.
I know they include over rated popular units so people will participate
But, kina ruins the entire idea of suspense in the voting gauntlet when someones dominating and everyone joins them to win feathers
Actually I do think that the most profitable choice is to choose the one that will go to final, but will lose.
You would get the 500 victory feathers for the first two rounds, and a better local ranking as you have less competition.
In my case, I chosed Minerva:
First round (100 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Second round (500 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Final round (all flags used: ranked top 5k): 3100 + 0
Overall ranking (top 50k): 1600
Which leads me to 8600 feathers
I have some friends that used the same amount of feather in last round in Camilla’s team, they ended up ranked top 30k, which gives you 2300 feathers + 500 for victory.
Of course, if you play very casually (not earning all flags each round, and not use them all), Camilla is easy 1500 feathers.
But if you try to maximize your profit, finding the 2nd place is the best I think, which is was not an obvious choice at all, as they put Cordelia in the same side as Camilla.
I chosed Ephraim last gauntlet and ended up with 7k feathers as well (but I didn’t played well because of the very tight match vs Chrom)
Or you can be a freak like me (Moosey) vote every half hour without sleep, miss only one or two because your sleep deprived brain forgets, and earn something like 10K feathers 1.5k for the first two rounds, and 7k for the final.
So you basically tried to not sleep during the whole week or only for the third round? As you got also the 3k feather from being top 1k overall I guess you also did fully vote during round 1 and 2. :[
I wonder if you can score better with Minerva with the same insane strategy (I do think you can be ranked with no flags for round 1 if you don’t miss any single game..)
Yeah, I thought it might have been possible for Cordelia to win, but I guess the token fanservice lady does stand out on top. I only went for Camilla in the end because of a coin toss. I actually went through this tournament style, flipping a coin for each one. The final two were Camilla and Palla. Camilla got the lucky Tails.
I always hate tournaments like these because I can’t help but love the characters that won’t win – last time I went with Eirika so that obviously didn’t end so well, and this time was worse – I can’t help it, Palla’s Heroes design is adorable.
Not a freaking shock this round was so badly made it hurts expect the same results for every singular popular character inserted in these that’s why I don’t take these contests seriously…the first round is obviously the best one and the winner was justifiable and more logical why.
I meant that its only the first two rounds where we usually find real competition and stakes are more interesting. First Gauntlet had the epic battle between Ephraim and Chrom in Round 2. This Gauntlet likely had some nice fights with other characters if they weren’t Camilla.
Of course Camilla won, as expected, and it so happens that I voted for her. Victory is ours, fellow Camilla fans! For the glory of her boo-I mean…for the glory of the Nohr Empire! Yeah, that’s better.
I chose Camilla from the start. No surprise she won. Best thing about it was that the Wyvern Rider pull netted me a 5-star Minerva. Heck yes! Plus with more Great Badges, I’ll have what I need to make a 4-star into a 5-star… finally.
Oh look, boobs won…I’ll never understand why anyone LIKES big boobs…Really just sucks Hinoka (I love her so much) was paired with Camilla first round, really killed it for me >.>
Well, we can see this new focus will be Alm’s group focus, so I am waiting for Celica’s group Focus banner in the future. Maybe in May, near the US release date of the game.
They are probably saving her for the banner immediately after. Don’t forget they need to accommodate Echoes releasing a month later in the West. Meanwhile in Japan, most people will have finished Echoes by then, but the game (and waifus) will be fresh in their minds.
If you noticed, this focus banner have only Alm’s path units and the
Paralogue is called “World of Shadows”. Probably in a near future we
will see a Celica’s path units Focus Banner, with a “Return to World of
Shadows” Paralogue.
Man, it’s a bummer Gaiden has no playable axe units, because if there’s anything I’m really in need of, it’s Green-type units. I don’t really have need of more swords (especially) and lances. Bows… maybe. I do want them, but I feel like I’d just be throwing my orbs away.
Well, now that I have Spring Camilla and Spring Xander, I guess it’s impossible for me to get the rest of the Spring characters. I might as well save those orbs for Alm and the rest of the characters from Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes, probably, maybe.
In Echoes, the Archer class is exclusive to male characters. So… Faye being a archer is strange… She can only be a Cavalier, a Mage, a Pegasus Knight or a Cleric.
I’m more questioning why Zeke, aka Camus, has Gravidus on him. He lost that in Archanea after being defeated by Marth. So why would Zeke have the same weapon that’s legendary and only 1 exists? Don’t tell me some ancient person make a duplicate one as well. :/
I was asking myself the same question… I was pretty sure Hardin kept it? Maybe the artwork is not consistent with the game (but if Gradivus actually appears as an item, a new canon explanation may be needed).
You think they should make a remake of Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem? I do hope so. If possible, i would like it with characters designs done by Hidari, a similar gameplay and a better story for the sake of Archanea’s saga completion!
I know, I know, I’m just saying that these remakes deserve a little of love, after all, they didn’t do very well during their releases, even FE12 wasn’t localized! It’s just for a chance to make the entry that gave birth to Marth a better one!
That is true. Shadow Dragon had the weakest gameplay EVER. Like, seriously. Not only that, but there were no real base conversations or support until FE12, and that game was declining in sales that made Awakening be the final game until Awakening brought back the franchise.
That’s what I’m talking about, actually it can even be a remake of FE3 with book 1 and 2 on it with major focus on multiple characters, like abel, cain, even tiki and her status as a divine dragon! More importantly, we have to consider this: Intelligent System follows a certain pattern, since Hidari was selected for the design of Echoes it would be fitting to put it on FE3/FE11/FE12 since they’re all related!
Actually, rather than make a remake of a remake, why not make a remake of Genealogy, the sacred story of Fire Emblem history that fanboys have shrines built on. Or better yet, the Elibe series. Or even try to maybe continue a story with Magvel.
We all want it, as do I, I was giving an example like FE Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, they’re related, have a similar if not the same gameplay and the same character designer!
I agree with pretty much everything said above. The more remakes, the better, I guess! (As for the Gradivus thing, I didn’t even know it was in Gaiden, so I apologize for my ignorance.)
If the opportunity rises, I want them to complete the whole Archanea saga, after all, a remake of a remake is still possible since Pokemon does it everytime. You know: Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire and the enhanced remake Pokemon Emerald AND Pokemon ORAS!
If IS wants money, yes. A proper remake and re-telling of Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem. It’s also the perfect excuse for them to make FE series amiibo of Marth, Caeda, Kris and Tiki. It could also try to tie in more stuff with Awakening.
I’m sorry, but the way DLC has been handled over the past few games… I don’t like it. I really, really don’t like it. And this game is just doing the exact same thing. It’s so formulaic, it hurts.
Completely agree. Its so frustrating. At least this time there aren’t a bunch of the strongest classes locked behind expensive DLC. IMHO DLC should only have some maps for grinding and fan service. Specialty classes and challenging late-game maps should be in the main game.
A $15 eShop card says we’ll never get the Series 4 maps worldwide. I mean, I’m glad it looks like they’ll finally be recognizing Cipher, and I hope you can recruit Emma, Shade, Yuzu and/or Lando, but really, what are the chances they’ll give these four characters that, knowing Nintendo, will be treated as though the rest of the world doesn’t even know exists to all of us? We never got the Bond Festivals for Fates, and they’re already moving on to Echoes so I doubt we ever will get them. I’m desperately hoping I’m wrong and they’ll use Echoes to test the waters for the Ø Characters to see if the TCG will take off worldwide, but I doubt it.
I still want to get the Fire Emblem Cipher game translated. I know it probably won’t happen, but seriously. With the fact that we have Animal Crossing Amiibo Cards – I’d be satisfied if we simply got card versions that react with the N3DS Scanners of each character.
Yeah, I’ve been desperately hoping for it for at least a year now. Really, I’m luckier than most non-Japan-based players – I happen to live in the vicinity of a small group of FE diehard fans who are also into the card game, so we can get together and play every week. It’s fun, and I both feel really sad for the people who want to play it with people they know but can’t and really really REALLY wish for #WorldWideCipher.
test comment
But but… I like the old site’s theme better… 🙁
looks great!! but i do miss the guestbook…
The Sword sprites all make it worth it.
Could you have the website not run on fixed width? I have a 1600×900 screen and there is so much wasted space because of the fixed width.
In the future, maybe. Right now my focus is getting the forums and new site working together without killing the server.
How could you take the IPC from me? How will I waste my life away now? :c
R.I.P. in pizza old theme
The Falchion sprites are the best thing about this.
Wiki page appears dead. Not major, but still notable
I’m aware. I have to configure the server to correctly deal with the way the Wiki’s pages work. My priority is the main site and forums first, though.
Wiki Link doesn’t work, ftr
wait does that mean you want me to ultra stress test the forums by posting a lot
Yay.
For now, at least…
Wait, I’m getting a lot of Error 502 or is it just me?
Not surprising. I’m intentionally stressing the server right now while I try to troubleshoot.
Mixed feelings on the new layout.
I’m probably just too used to the old one.
rip in pieces fe4thread
Any chances of having a rollback like what happened five years ago?
What happened 5 years ago shouldn’t ever happen again.
So now Serenes forest has disqus like Zelda Dungeon . So does this mean the account I made for the forums is useless now?
i don’t think the forums themselves are running off of disqus.
I wouldn’t want them to. :V
Nope. Disqus will only be used for comments on the main site news and news pages for individual games. The forums will stay the same.
I made a donation. Hope it helps.
Ha ha ha…
Having a discussion here as well is already worth the site’s change.
God bless you. 😀
If it’s for a better future, so be it! The new icon and site layouts makes it ever so worth it! 😀
You do know that there’s a bunch of links on sites that crib off SF that will now link to 404s, right Jyosua?
I can track that and try to implement redirects.
Thanks.
What’s the goal $ for donations?
About $350. We’re currently halfway there! I’m really, really grateful to everyone who donated.
I’m glad we’ve got so many people who care for the site. I did my part for the cause, but sadly I’m kind of poor right now so it’s not a remarkable amount.
Hey man, thank you anyhow.
Also, I need to figure out how to make you a mod on the disqus comments. Once I finish fixing the server issues, I’ll give you your admin account for the site on here as well.
donation $7 -Red
donated, then my bank went totally nuts about it
Well, that /was/ a lot to donate. I really do appreciate it, though. Thank you very much!
I feel bad that i can’t give anything. need to save the money for college tuition. Sorry guys
It takes so much longer for links to load; it’s really inconvenient.
We can’t go back to the old layout, can we?
Okay, things are loading much faster now.
Ya’ll beat me to my bank. Support for our family is strong! I’m proud of you all, my children; thank you for supporting Jyoshua, and for supporting SF.
[…] Awakening […]
Your source link isn’t displaying for me, FB “The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be
temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or
you may not have permission to view this page.”
Thanks, I can’t find another suitable official link that mentions both price cuts and I don’t have a Wii U to view its eShop myself.
Any word of it possibly being available in my backwater country (The US)?
Still, I do still have a cart and DS Lite with half a play-through on it. ^_^;
Not yet, but it’s out in Japan too, so I suspect it’ll be released in the US eventually.
Wow you guys have disqus here??? I qm a huge FE fan and come here a lot XD I am jealous that japan and Europe got rekka no ken. I love this game I maybe beat it five times and would love to play it on my 3ds
And this message may not be seen because well this post is from hours ago
Sadly it probably won’t be released on 3DS, as Nintendo doesn’t have a GBA Virtual Console on the 3DS (ignoring the Ambassador’s Program from a few years ago). But I’m guessing it’ll eventually be on the Wii U VC in other countries.
Lol I actually hadn’t noticed it said wiiu when I posted this XD
“Old.sf.net”, eh? Nice job patching up the cracks, Jyosua.
Two questions:
1: Are you and the Jyosua affiliated with Skullgirls two different people?
2: Can I be unbanned please?
As far as the Skullgirls question, you mean for streaming events with Skullgirls? No, that is also me.
Unbanned? Where are you banned?
1:Cool, thought it was a big coincidence. I mean, for someone to be both a competitive fighting game tourney pro and the bearer of the mantle of FESS is almost too unbelievable to be true.
2: You don’t know me? Integ and Nightmare know me plenty.
Well, I can’t consider myself a pro unless I actually win a tournament. At this point, I definitely have not.
As far as the ban, sorry man. After checking into it, it sounds like you’ve been ban dodging and were even problematic during that time. Normally ban dodging substantially hurts someone’s case to allow them back onto the forums, but if they were also problematic during the time before we discovered the dodge, that only serves to reinforce the ban.
If I were you, I’d just step away from the place for a while. Go hang out on another community in the meantime. If you have good behavior there for a very long period of time, then that might support justification for a second (technically third) chance.
Pretty jealous of Europe right now! I’d totally buy FE7 on VC and play it over and over again like when it first came out on GBA. Forever my favorite FE, probably~
Also, the site update’s looking really nice! Jyosua did good work!
It wasn’t just me. While I did the design, Makaze was a major help with transferring a very large number of the pages.
Good job all around then!!! 🙂
Why, Nintendo? Why would you put FE7 on the Wii U and not on the 3DS where it makes sense- and where I can get it? I don’t own a Wii U… That being said, my cartridge and my old GBA SP still work, so it’s not like I can’t play anymore. If any of the GBA FEs come to 3DS VC though, you can bet your bottom dollar I will be getting them a second time (first time legally in case of FE6)
Is it known whether they’ve used the EU version or US version? I’d be pretty miffed if we got cheated out of the extended epilogue again…
[…] of all, game names in the URL are universally interchangeable with feX. This means https://serenesforest.net/dark-dragon-and-sword-of-light/inventory/staves/ and https://serenesforest.net/fe1/inventory/staves/ will bring you to the same page. Since most of […]
Hey is there like a chat where people talk about their favorite FE games characters etc.?
yeah, the forums
Sry for posting about it here, but I can’t seem to post on the forum for some reason. On the Maximum Stats page of Awakening when looking at the classes for Laurent (MirielxRicken) Dark Mage and Sorcerer are not options, when in the game they actually are options. So, just something I’ve noticed. And again sry for not posting in the right place.
Thank you so much for posting Tearing saga music. Thank you again.
[…] Awakening […]
[…] begin with, we have the portraits of all the playable characters and soon portraits for the other characters, as well as map […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] In which case, if you’re interested to know what’s hidden inside the game, but haven’t been following the developments or just want a refresher, then please point your browser to this wonderful page! […]
For some reason, the map reminds me of the Essos continent in A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones… just the general shape/outline.
When are you going to post the Morgan and Avatar map sprites?
I was thinking maybe Tellius for the lower left (maybe it looks somewhat different because map-makers weren’t working with satellite and aerial photography so there may be some inconsistencies… or it’s just x-thousand years later like Ylisse/Archanea)…
Maybe a map of Ike’s journey? Like he traveled the entire continent before settling in the lower right… I dunno.
Looks like Elibe to me. There are slight differences in the areas that would be Etruria and Ilia but the general shape is similar. It is worth mentioning that where Bern would be there is a name that looks to be 4 letters and is likely Bern. Many of the mountains are in similar places though they appear to be spaced out more.
[…] Tomorrow (4th December), Blazing Sword will finally be released on the Wii U Virtual Console in North America and Canada, after it was released in other territories, including Europe and Japan back in August. […]
This is the first FE game I played (Originally in simulator then I got the original). Perfect timing to play it again!
[…] Path of Radiance […]
[…] Radiant Dawn […]
Oh snap! Releases on my birthday! Hype!
Yes! This is great news! I’m hyped for this.
Wha-! No way, I want this.
[…] Awakening […]
[…] (More pics here) […]
[…] Update: A news entry can be found here! […]
[…] https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-if/pre-release-news/ […]
Hell yeah, Schnabelteah!
[…] Update 2: Detailed analysis added here! […]
[…] A guy on Serenes forest did a analysis, of it, seems to work until GameXplain puts their video up whenever. January Nintendo Direct Analysis – Serenes Forest […]
[…] addition to the new game reveal yesterday, there were additional Fire Emblem-related announcements in the January Nintendo […]
[…] in the Japanese version of the Direct, Iwata revealed that a new version of the Fire Emblem: Trading Card Game will be releasing in Summer alongside Fire Emblem […]
I’m squealing with joy inside!! (FIRE EMBLEM’S SAVED!!! Send out good thoughts that it’ll be localized, people… Or I could just use this as an excuse to finally learn Japanese already…)
[…] with most new announcements, details are scarce at the moment, although from the available footage, the graphics and gameplay are very similar to the previous entry, Fire Emblem: Awakening. This […]
[…] is currently speculation, but it’s possible Kamui could be the Avatar character of this game, based on the current evidence. Bearing in mind in the first footage of Awakening, we […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] are very similar to the previous entry, Fire Emblem: Awakening. This apparently includes the Dual System (Dual Strikes etc.) introduced in that […]
[…] Fire Emblem if […]
[…] Music […]
[…] Holy War […]
[…] If anybody managed to complete them all (or come close), do pop me an e-mail… […]
[…] https://serenesforest.net/awakening/characters/children/ […]
[…] https://serenesforest.net/awakening/miscellaneous/skills/ […]
[…] https://serenesforest.net/awakening/miscellaneous/dual-system/#Attack […]
[…] https://serenesforest.net/awakening/miscellaneous/pair-up/ […]
[…] Fire Emblem if […]
Here’s to another ten years!!! ^_^
(And another twenty-five years of FE!)
We’re one of the oldest FE sites still around at this point. It’s really impressive, when you think about it. Good work, Vincent!
Keep going strong!
“The strong survive!” -Priam
Happy Annneversary! I’ve visted this site a few times, but I think I’m gonna start hanging out here more often.
Looking forward to this game.
[…] New Mystery […]
[…] Fire Emblem if […]
Panty shot!
… I need to get to Japan. XD
Al is so cute! X3
Ah! Someone needs to put this on the internet somehow. For posterity, of course! We have a duty to those that follow us, after all.
I ought–I mean, they ought be able to experience the orgasmic orchestration. It must be immortalized upon the YouTubes, or a torrent site in a lossless format, or something!
No doubt they’ll play some songs from every game. 😀 Hoping for Land of Sorrow from FE2.
Feels good living in Japan 😀
I hope the tickets don’t sell out before I can get some.
On my birthday on the second day too. Haha.
H̶o̶o̶k̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶-̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶s̶t̶u̶f̶f̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶?̶ ̶^̶_̶^̶;̶
A little underwhelming, to be honest. Especially for prices like that.
Ayyyyyeeee these 6 pins with pictures of some lords on them and those two posters! Very nice.
Im interested in that staff book, but I am sure that a certain creator will not even be mentioned.
shouldn’t the year be 2015???
Thanks. Still not used to the new year, haha.
[…] Source […]
Ahhh! Would love to buy the Soundtrack CD “Opening Song Collection” Heck, almost everything here I would buy, but alas..
Please add more detail when you can, I’d really appreciate it! 🙂 I currently live in South Korea, so I’d love to watch it!
[…] is the first day of Comiket Special 6 in Japan and, as reported earlier, event-goers will be able to visit a Fire Emblem booth selling a range of 25th Anniversary […]
[…] Fire Emblem if […]
[…] SMT x Fire Emblem […]
And a happy April Fool’s Day to you as well, Mr. Kozaki.
We don’t even know if FE is set on Earth in the first place! Where did Mars come from?
XD
[…] cutscenes, we finally see some slices of gameplay. Most notably, enemies can now make use of the Dual system apparently, as a two on two battle can be […]
[…] SMT x Fire Emblem […]
[…] 2: Media page updated with pictures from Amazon. (OK, sleep time. Nearly 4 […]
Isn’t locking the other campaign and forcing the player to buy it the same as just having two separate copies and forcing you to buy the other as DLC?
There is no indication that it will be on-disc DLC, nor that each game won’t be a complete experience on its own. It seems to be more along the lines of the Zelda Oracle games, but with a more convenient means of getting the other version.
While the retail version does seem similar to the LoZ Oracle games, I was referring to the digital version, which was stated to “only be one version, unlike the packaged game. Once you reach a certain point, you must decide whether to side with Hoshido or Nohr. After making this choice, the other campaign will be permanently locked (until you buy it as DLC).”
Whoops, tried to delete that post after I read the whole thing. Sorry, totally derped on that one XD. I don’t know why they’re doing that digitally when they could’ve done the same version shenanigans, but I’m guessing it’s because it’s functionally no different and may somehow be more convenient. Though having to download an extra-large file could be a pain for some.
There’s that possibility. We just don’t know enough yet to draw a conclusion.
But that could be what’s going on.
So about as much content as Awakening? Disregarding DLC, Awakening had a decent amount of main game content and side stuff. Not quite as much as I would’ve liked from an FE game, but it was still a good amount.
So it’s not too bad of a price. Hopefully we get the bundled version, too. I don’t want to have to switch carts in order to experience the entire story.
Awakening not including DLC was 41 Chapters of Content, that’s actually more than previous games.
If it’s only 41 chapters, that actually just about matches Radiant Dawn’s content. With Awakening though, a massive chunk of that is side story content. All of Radiant Dawn’s content is main story. I want another FE with as much story content as RD.
This is some speculation on my part but I suspect that the Nohr path might resemble what you’re expecting while the Hoshidan path is more like the awakening route.
Wait, is the DLC where you don’t pick a side the same as the 3rd scenario DLC?
Yes there is that DLC scenario, which ultimately raises the cost of everything to $70 ish dollars, which costs less than everything than in awakening.
Interesting how both versions of the protagonist are barefoot, but male Kamui has armour on the inside of his legs whereas female Kamui doesn’t.
The female version has her thighs exposed because it’s sexy. Also she has two left feet
“the site emphasises that each of the two versions (Hoshido and Nohr) contains a similar amount of content as the previous game, Awakening. So you won’t be paying for half a game at all, if you buy just one of the versions”
Yeah right, IF they cut the world exploration on Nohr’s route (game) doesn’t that just make the game “shorter”. You can’t do anything else other than playing the main story. So that means if you bought the physical version of FE Nohr, you ARE missing some content when you compare it with Hoshido version. If that the case Nohr’s game SHOULD cost less than Hoshido because some content was CUT from the game.
At first I thought I’m going to choose Nohr, but if that means I’m getting a game that have less content, NO THANK YOU NINTENDO
I hope the NA will combine both version, I don’t mind if the price is a little bit higher because it’s better than buying a version of one of the game that have less content with the other. They can make the game harder in many ways, cutting content just to make it seems harder is BS
You seem to assume that because something isn’t featured, it means it was gonna be and was “cut.” Not every Fire Emblem game has a map and world exploration. And it’s quite possible that in place of the map, there will be other content.
Also, just because there’s no map does not mean there are no side stories. There are other ways to integrate them into the game.
Correct that Hoshido probably have more content but if you wanted to play Nohr side it would cost around 20$ and vice versa for Hoshido. The whole game would be around 60$ with both sides. I mean who would only buy one side of Fire Emblem am I right?
To be fair, assuming that they hold true to their words, that’s a little under 80 chapters of gameplay not including free DLC and I spent well over 200 hours with Awakening’s 73 chapters including DLC which totaled in value to $85.50 for everything. Actually now that I think about it, getting everything in IF costs LESS than getting everything in Awakening. What the hell Nintendo?
What exactly would they be cutting? If you mean paralogues, they’ve traditionally been linearly inserted into the story if you meet the conditions at the time. If you mean whatever the Risen fight equivalents would be, frankly, that’s a poor caliber of content.
If NA choose to follow Japan’s path, it’s more cost efficient buying Hoshido and then buy the DLC version of Nohr. Man, my mood just went from excitment to confusion to agitation in just a couple hours. Thanks a lot Nintendo.
So for choosing those that raised me I’m rewarded with choke-point battles and possibly less to see and do? Pretty obvious who Nintendo wants me to side with. Yeah, no, Nintendo I’m choosing loyalty.
…Hopefully NA just skips that mess and goes right to the special edition.
Same.
It just seems that they are being biased with the Hoshido faction.
Not to mention “Peaceful Hoshido” and “Glory seeking Noir” when Japan has always been glory seeking and stuck in civil wars for most (if not, entire) history until about 100 years ago.
Either way, I’m going to have fun with the Noire faction as it seems for the veterans of the series.
Honestly though, if I don’t get the special edition (or at least, both), I’ll just stick with one side of the game as Noir.
I’m probably just going to buy both of them even if we don’t get the special edition. Maybe we’ll also get some of those trading cards, am I right?
And I’m sort of hoping if they do the DLC characters thing like they did in Awakening, it’s a little more fleshed out and not just modeled Avatars made to somewhat resemble old characters that are in normal classes.
Japan was in a civil war, however this game is not the same as the real world, they are inspired by the Japanese culture, but i don’t think they really mean that they are. Japan also have been unified by Oda, which was prosperous then.
U.S will release both game separate, they wont bother to merge it, however the special package will release on the following day’s of Fire emblem IF 2 version (JP only). U.S will take some time to convert the third package, and will vary if they will include those mischievous items. Game might release on April 2016 for U.S, 11 month after the release of JP version.
I want to be excited for this game but making two versions with an expensive DLC add-on just reeks of a money grabbing ploy and less content for your money. You don’t just develop 2 games worth of content and release them at the same time.
Thanks!
I don’t have any friends, that I still routinely communicate with, that love Fire Emblem. But this information makes me incredibly excited. I appreciate the work you guys do.
To the left of the weapon names is what appears to be an HP bar for the weapons. Dragonstones, at least the one shown, seem to have infinite uses however.
The stat distribution seems to have been nerfed to normal levels, thankfully.
Also, why do people keep saying that the version with the world map is the traditional one? There’s nothing traditional about the world map and annoying infinite grinding.
Sorry, the traditional part refers to the story premise. Basically you’re fighting an invading kingdom : )
I really hope you’re right about the HP bar thing, because infinite weapon use would disappoint me quite a bit.
But, I don’t see how this would be an improvement. It’s much harder to read compared to plain numbers, if it is what you said it might be.
It is true, it shows the weapon type in a box that in some images is filled green and others the green is almost run out. As mentioned it is much harder to read compared to plain numbers, hopefully that will get changed
HYPE!
Lol, Happy April 1st. Good thing they aren’t jumping the shark here… XD
EDIT: Having a melee in a spacesuit is the dumbest concept ever…
I dunno if it’s been mentioned, but at the part where it mentions the digital version, there is a little typo. “Upon reaching Chapter 6–the point at which you must choose sides–after making your choice, the other campaign will be permanently unlocked ” It should say “locked” rather than unlocked?
The black boxes seem to suggest that Nintendo is expecting a CERO rating of C, higher than any other game in the series.
It seems like a lot of RPGS are getting CERO C. Xenoblade X is rated that, for one. Historically, 90% CERO C usually still equals T.
I’m not concerned about the game receiving anything higher than a T over here. I’m just curious about what bumped the game over Awakenings B rating.
If CERO is anything like the ESRB, it’s a small group of people, and a few staff changes spells different rating methods. It may be due to being required to kill off the other family that you don’t pick, as other people are saying. Not sure why anybody wouldn’t feel a tad put off by that.
people wanted a more traditional Fire Emblem; you got it!
Not that it’ll matter for Lunatic…
hype
More like Hype? This Marketing Scheme is so freaking convoluted and Stupid, they should’ve just released the two games in a pack for the 6550 yen, instead of this weird two versions shite. I’m still gonna get the whole thing because its actually cheaper than Awakening’s total cost and appears to be a better designed game, but I’d rather they just went the simple route and be upfront about the cost of the game for the sake of the consumer.
Nah, straight hype. I’ve already used apparently-not-so-common-but-should-be-common sense to reason out why they’re doing what they are. If they were “up front” about the cost people would be spewing bullshit about how a single 3DS game is $59.99 or $79.99. Most people would NOT pay that much for one handheld game, so people would be bitching about something else/accusing Nintendo of milking us through inflated prices even when the pricing is actually pretty damn fair given how much content there is. The “passionate” fans are generally just never happy and are kind of the worst fans because of that (they spend more time complaining and whining about everything as opposed to the people who just sit back and enjoy the game).
Thanks for the info!
[…] SMT x Fire Emblem […]
Another thing, I think Felicia should be in the Hoshido characters rather than the Nohr characters.
So from what I understand, Kamui=Theon Greyjoy.
sounds about right
you missed the blue haired maid and Gantz
Ganz, I could write a tiny bit about, but I’ve got nothing to write about for the other maid : P
[…] a release window in 2016. The new Fire emblem has been code named Fire Emblem if by the community https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-if/, and news on Shin Megami Tensai X Fire Emblem has been awaited since it was first mentioned back in […]
I really hate what they’ve chosen to do with this game. As far as I’m concerned, the special edition version is the only that should even exist period. I don’t take kindly to the idea of FE: Pokemon Edition, in which I will be squeezed and prodded for extra cash just to be able to enjoy the complete experience.
And I really hate that the Nohr campaign has no overworld. A massive amount of Awakening’s appeal is the ability to do whatever the fuck you want, instead of basically playing stages, hitting the credits, and *poof*. Roll credits. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth when games do that; it removes replay value along with fun. I thought *Choice* was supposed to be the central theme of If, but now if I want Nohr, I’m basically robbed of choice?
Say whatever you want about how grinding made Awakening too easy. But no matter how you feel about it, the fact still stands that nothing forced you to do so if you didn’t want to (Lunatic (+) doesn’t count). So if you didn’t want to grind, you didn’t have to, in which case you would still be getting your core FE experience. But it was the freedom and added content of that option to grind or do side stuff or shop or whatever that made Awakening last hundreds of hours for me.
But nope. If I want to have fun, I have no choice to side with Hoshido every single time. Call me a scrub and a newbie and an Awakening fag if you want, but I stand by that opinion. I’ll probably buy it anyways, but only if I can get the special edition.
So much for “If”.
But what else was there to do on Awakening’s world map besides grind? I mean, the DLC was better for that idea anyway.
It’s the principle of it, though.
It’s like the difference between driving a car when you’re in Driver’s Ed. (Nohr) and when you have your own (Hoshido).
In one case, sure, you’re behind the wheel, but you pretty much can only go where the instructor tells you to. In the other, you have complete and total freedom to go where you want, when you want with only traffic laws and your gas tank to guide you.
I greatly prefer the idea of a world map where I can say “well, I’ve done 5 story chapters, but that Paralogue over there looks interesting. I’m gonna do that instead“. Or “hey, I’m playing Lunatic+ and could use a little training; I’m gonna go grind in the DLC for a bit”. Yeah, it may admittedly not be the most incredibly amazing piece of side content ever, but at least you can tackle it on your terms.
To me, repeatedly emphasizing how FE:If is all about choice, but then removing a lot of that choice from me because I *chose* a different version is ridiculous and self-defeating, nevermind the bullshit of splitting the games in two to sucker me out of more money instead of just giving me the full experience in one.
To a certain extent I agree with you, I believe that there should’ve been one version of the game+ the DLC. I didn’t care for the world map at all in Awakening, others said it actually hurt the game’s design. But from an actual value proposition perspective as most people have as “problem” with this game, I actually don’t have that complaint as I have demonstrated in the other comments. I just hate this from a marketing standpoint and I hope the NA version is different. Otherwise, I’m actually quite happy that there’s some satiation of rabid fans who prefer the (generally harder) linear FE games vs the world Map FE’s.
The open world map design greatly hurt Awakening’s design, as it also screwed over Sacred Stones. It disallows maps from having too many gimmicks. Awakening barely has any treasure, lacks different objectives, has plenty of “square” and lineal maps, lacks fog of war and Arenas/Stores.
It also opens the game up for incredibly lazy design like Awkaening’s Lunatic and Lunatic +. You either have to cheese the game with Avatar/Chrom/Frederick or grind (with the DLC of course unless you want to be extremely patient and cheese the game) until your units are. In older games Hard Mode had to be actually balanced. Older games also had ranking systems to encourage value and FE7 had alternate maps and characters.
Awakening’s good but it shouldn’t be the game the design revolves around.
I don’t think any of those are things that couldn’t be fixed while still retaining the open map. Different objectives, for example, is literally as simple as providing a greater objective variety within the maps themselves? I mean, Awakening didn’t *need* to have “route the enemy” as the objective for 95% of its maps, nor did they need to be so simplistic in layout. The world map’s existence had nothing to do with the decision to do so.
I think Nohr’s heightened difficulty could be accomplished so much better if its maps featured more challenging layouts with more difficult enemy placement (i.e., don’the put all the Wyvern Riders into one group gaggle where a mage with a single wind tome can easily kill them all without threat of, say, Sorceror retaliation) ,and more difficult map objectives compared to the Hoshino campaign. Limited access to experience and money, to the point where it’s practically like being feed through a stomach tube, is artificial difficulty to me. There’s no need for Nohr’s difficulty to come from such methods, when more creative means would do the job infinitely better.
The same thing would also offer a way to balance higher difficulties. “Harder” should mean “more difficult”, not “now with 50% more bullshit per tile”. The existence of a world map has nothing to do with how well designed the missions it contains are designed; a better design will solve virtually all of Awakening’s problems, save for the grinding DLC, which I think should be maintained for those that want it. Properly designed difficulty won’t be as easily broken by gridning: after all, grinding can’t make smarter AI less smart, for example. If the enemy is difficult by nature (not just because it’s the Prologue and they’re using Steel weapons and have 5x your stats).
Bottom line: I want If to improve on Awakening, but at the same keep its freedoms. That’s why I’m upset about Nohr’s handling.
That’s the point, part of the difficulty of Fire Emblem is resource management, both equipment and monetary. The reason the map design is so flat in Awakening is so you can’t get into an unwinnable situation. Plus there was stupid RNG shit like the Barracks and tiles. Maps also have to be flat to allow them to be replayable. Critical Treasure are a non-factor in awakening.
The open world is what allowed the x5 your stats BS. A more lineal experience forces IS to not be lazy with their design. It’s like a Free to Play game, it inherently makes the devs lazier, and makes them not consider everything correctly. The biggest evidence is the unwinnable chapter 1 in Awakening plus all the random elements that game introduced.
I don’t see how an open world map should have any bearing on the design of chapter maps. If the game is designed without the DLC’s existence having any factor, then you can still design a competent map whilest still allowing for outside freedom.
I want to keep the freedom of Awakening, but make the maps themselves more challenging. As far as I care, chapter maps and the world map should two completely different aspects of the overall game; once you begin a chapter, you have walked into the lion’s den. It should challenge you, and providing a challenge should have nothing to do with also having an explorable world with side content.
The way you design a difficult map is by having a difficult game, but doing so fairly. I dislike the idea of flat limits on experience and funds because the completionist in me hates the idea that I can’t cap my army out. I also hate it because it feels like difficulty created by neglect. Difficulty should be entirely based on your skill as a player; you should have all the tools to win available to you, but actually winning should still be up to your skill. In other words, smarter AI that responds to your moves more like an opponent and less like an algorithm. I want to punished for my mistakes, not because I’m just not allowed to have enough experience to go around, meaning that the majority of my army is reduced to nothing but bench-warmers (I like unit variety, especially being able to bring different units for different situations). I want interesting map design that’s doesn’t just look like a random section of a math graph. If I do something stupid and get people killed, backing myself into an unwinnable corner, that’s my fault because I made it unwinnable; that’s not unwinnable by design.
I see absolutely no reason why If can’t fix the problems of Awakening while still retaining what it did well.
OK, sure Intelligent systems could make separate maps for story chapters and stupid grinding easy baby mode. Still the problem is that the world map in Awakening and Sacred Stones ended up affecting the overall design of the game. It takes time, resources and makes the devs less likely to balance the game correctly. This is why Awakening has a bullshit Lunatic mode and why some Sacred Stones missions spike the difficulty way too much.
The existence of grind-able maps makes the game pretty hard for having diverse maps or creating much unique situations. No doors or many chokepoints, because the enemy army has to throw itself at you like pikmins. No need for long winding maps or maps with various routes because that increases the time you need to reach the enemy so they can go kill themselves. Defend maps also have to go because again the properly designed ones make your units fight in a small face filled with chokepoints.
No climbable terrain, no traps. It’s not a coincidence Awakening and Sacred Stones had less gimmicks overall. Sacred Stones does have more varied elements than awakening, but it lacks them compared to its two GBA predecessors.
As I also mentioned, Resource management has always been an important part of the FE Experience and Awakening reduces it. No need to have iron weapons late in the game. Just deck out everyone in silver/brave forged weapon that never go away with Armsthrift. No real thoughtful choices about when to promote units. No need to save gold to recruit one or two units.
Don’t worry if the devs are doing their jobs correctly and not making stupid decisions that make them have time to not balance the game you could clear the game with the default units. If Fire Emblem 6 can be cleared with 0% growths so can the Nohr version (if it’s done properly).
The end point is this, as can be seen in Sacred Stones and Awakening the open world design causes:
1. Difficulty spikes (Chapter 15 in sacred stones and the unbalanced, unfair lunatic mode in Awakening)
2. Less importance of resource management, leading to less meaningful choices. (No need to choose who get’s Delphi’s shield or the boots, or when to promote, when to use the powerful staves)
3. More restricted map design (it has to be open so you can grind fast)
4. Far less gimmicks/Interesting map design (No traps, no fog of war, no treasure balancing, barely any Status effect enemies, no ballistas, barely any long ranged tomes, enemy AI very rarely retreats, no stealing, no need for NPCs that meatshield you, no need for objectives other than rout and kill commander)
5. Less importance in character roles. Although that’s solved if they remove the second seals.
The solution could be a sacred stones style zone(s) that are separate from the chapters but that still gives less time for the chapters to be truly polished. For 10 games the series has worked perfectly and the installments with the open world map design have always been controversial.
I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you will NOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).
Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps“) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you can have it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!
I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE could ever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically be required to completely ruin the game, as you claim?
I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I will agree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.
Even the Zelda fandom isn’t this resistant to change.
“I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.
When I say “world map”, I’m referring to the existence of a world hub that you go to in between chapters, instead of going straight to the next chapter as if you playing levels in a Mario game. I see absolutely no reason why a competently designed game should need to worry at all about a hub world map: side content is side content, DLC is not even considered to be a factor PERIOD (meaning the game is designed with the assumption that you willNOT be using it), and the barracks mechanic is removed all together (I don’t feel it added anything to the game).”
I understand it perfectly, the problem is that OK if you can only go to the next chapter what’s the point of adding that. No more heroes had barely anything in the world map so they removed it for the sequel.
I’m guessing you want to fight random trash mobs to gain resources, but this messes up a fundamental theme of the series. To feel like a tactician, managing an army with limited and valuable resources.
You don’t think people design games with DLC in mind, especially Awakening which had the Gold and Experience pack a month after release in Japan and are almost required if you want to use more units than Chrom+Avatar in Lunatic and Lunatic+.
“Now, on a completely different note, there is the actual chapter stages (read: “maps”) themselves. As in, the stages that are accessed when I walk over to Chapter X on the hub map and select it. At this point, I enter the stage map, and thus map has literally NOTHING dictating what it can and can’t be. You want a defense map? You can have a defense map. You want traps and choke points? Of course you can have them! Want Fog of War? So do I! And you canhave it! Want a larger variety of enemy weaponry and tactics? Why the hell not? Nothing says you can’t! Interesting map design can absolutely be had, because when you’re in a stage map, you’re in a goddamn stage map, and there is absolutely nothing that says you can’t. It has nothing to do with being grindable or not; that’s what other maps are for!”
OK, so you want grindable maps to be completely separate from the chapter maps, great so either the devs have to spend less time in each chapter map while making the grindable maps or they hire more people to make those. That’s the best solution but well it impacts costs and IS isn’t running a charity unfortunately.
“I don’t understand your idea that just because Sacred Stones and Awakening faltered in their design, that automatically means that no future FE couldever do a hub world correctly. More to the point, I want a hub world because hub worlds offer choice. If I want go off and do a Paralogue just to take a break from the main story, why should the ability to do so automatically berequired to completely ruin the game, as you claim?”
They can do a hub world, but my problems is if they started including trash mobs to grind and ruin the resource management aspects of the game. Ok, Nohr unlocks paralogues and can do them any time, just access them from your base menu or make a linear map that’s empty and you can sidestep and do the paralogues or distinct version of a chapter. My only problem with the hub world and map is the trash mobs.
“I will always campaign for freedom and choice in games. I have always hated resource management-based difficulty with a burning passion, because I feel like difficulty by virtue of limitation is a poor substitute for evolving challenge. So what if I can armor units up with Silver and Brave weapons? If the enemy also has the same quality of gear, what’s the difference? I willagree that Armsthrift is overpowered, but that is easily solved by making it less accessible (make it a Second Tier skill, for crying out loud).
“
So again you want to remove all individuality for units (I assume you want the second seal and reclassing to be brought back), the theme of overcoming struggles, the theme of meaningful, impactful choice (who do I promote?) and give the devs a lazy way to not properly balance the game for people who don’t want to grind. Besides you could sort of grind in FE 6 & 7 with the arenas, but it was more like gambling and screwed up your ranking and took forever to do. I don’t mind that.
“I don’t understand why so many FE veterans refuse to allow any good changes to their precious franchise as if the only way a new FE can be good is if it regressed back to GBA era and never, ever improves. It’s just like the people who refuse to allow the demon known as “optional Casual mode” into their beloved franchose, even though they can still select Classic and forget Casual even exists.”
They are not good changes, they are changes to make the game more like an RPG. Go play Final Fantasy Tactics, which is a great game by the way, but don’t start trampling on the fundamental themes and design of Fire Emblem and start crying when a title appeals to the themes and design that made the franchise successful.
Fire emblem 9 and 10 had the best base management system (You can buy equipment, you can use your BEXP, The supports were done the best in that game, You could have funny and insightful side conversations, you could get some fancy items). Awakening did the pair up and marriage system good and the skill system was OK. I don’t mind casual, but there should be a reward for playing on classic, just like Reflex mode in MGSV.
So basically:
– The trash mobs need to go, or at least not provide you with more resources.
– DLC is fine as long as again it doesn’t provide you with resources.
– World map is fine as long as you can’t get more resources. Make split paths. Make the paralogues (maybe not all) accessible when you want to tackle them. Have you choose from saving X or impacting Y storywise based on which of two or more chapters you choose.
– The arena system is fine, you can spend all day on that and grind and buy whatever gear you want, but if you fail prepare to restart… now that I think about it Casual mode ruins that a little.
– Make grindable maps (for the Hoshido version) separate from chapter maps.
– Make choices more meaningful by making top gear and promotion items more limited. There is a feeling glee when your Silver weapon you spent all your cash on helps you clear a chapter you were having trouble on. It also makes meaningful choices to see which units you promote. Awakening diluted the effect of promoting your units.
– Remove reclassing, ruins the characters designs and individuality of the characters IMO.
– Make supports based on chapters, not on turns spent together like glue.
– Put the ranking system back.
– Reward players for choosing classic mode.
So yeah make the game Fire Emblem again not Final Fantasy Tactics 2.
The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.
Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.
Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.
I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.
Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more because so many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).
Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.
So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.
I disagree on removing it altogether, but agree on fixing it. The reason for reclassing in the first place was because many classes in Awakening had poor skills available. Get rid of every single last [Stat]+X skill and replace them with actually interesting ones. I honestly never once used a Rally ever either; either improve those, or do the same as with Stat+ skills. Additionally, rebalance Second-Tier classes so there aren’t just 6 classes that are all clearly better than the rest (that everyone has access to), leaving little reason to leave units within their original class family (those 6 being Hero, Falcon Knight, Sorcerer [because Nosferatu is broken as fuck], Manakete, Bride [DLC], and Dread Fighter [DLC]).
As for the characters themselves, how about we make the characters more interesting in the first place. I kinda liked Awakening’s cast, but very few of them did more than amuse me; I only really ended up loving a small select few, whereas the rest were there for entertainment value. Improve characterisation, and their individuality will improve along with it. Rebalance the promoted classes as mentioned before, and it will be more or less ideal; the problem was always that most base promotions just weren’t as good, not that I actually wanted half my army to be Heros.
In conclusion, I want to keep freedom, choice, and player options. I’m not saying make If Awakening 2; I’m saying Awakening had things it does right, and I’d like to keep them. My big issue with Nohr is simply the fact that it and Hoshido are built on 2 completely different philosophies. Perhaps you like a core FE experience; nothing wrong with that, but there are better ways to keep it than just forcing it down everyone’s throat and thus restricting its appeal (regardless of what you think, there’s no question Awakening was the most successful FE to date, and that’s entirely because it opened itself up and made the series more accessible to new players). I hate the way Nohr is being handled for this reason:
Let’s imagine that perhaps I’m someone who hasn’t been with FE since it’s infancy. Let’s imagine that I’m a guy whose first FE was Awakening. Now, let’s imagine that as a result Hoshido’s setup appeals to me because of the extra content it offers (I’m hoping its easier difficulty can be offset by actual difficulty modes). So I play the Hoshido campaign for a while and what not, but out of curiousity I decide to also check out the Nohr campaign just for a change of pace. Upon starting the Nohr campaign, I quickly discover that it is dumbed down and restrictive compared to Hoshido, meaning that if I happen to enjoy the freedom of the Hoshido campaign, but perhaps prefer the Nohr characters and units more, then I’m just shit out of luck. Don’t you see the problem there? I’m literally punished for wanting to experience the other side by getting less content (and there’s no 2 ways about it; Nohr has significantly less content than Hoshido as it stands)!
They can talk all they want about how “oh, well to make up for the lost content, Nohr has a more intriguing story”, but that stops being a factor after your first playthrough. Once you know all the twists and turns, “intriguing” is no longer a substitute for missing content when the other campaign very easily offers that missing content. If I want to enjoy Nohr for anything other than its story, I get punished for it. How is that a good design choice, no matter what you think FE should be like?
“The point is to allow the player the freedom to go do other things between story chapters, such as Paralogues, shopping, arena grinding, DLC (IF they so desire), instead of simply being pushed along as though they were playing a Mario game (“alright, that chapter’s over, onto the next one”). I dislike the idea that I can’t have the freedom to fuck around or maybe enjoy side content—also known as spending more time with the game and characters—at my leisure. Awakening offered plenty of things to do besides just grinding Risen, and it’s that aspect of choice that I want preserved in If.”
OK, great, do that and only remove the trash mobs, that’s my only problem, because like I’ve said a 100 times they screw up the resource management. Shit make things like Trial maps, Challenges with predetermined armies, DLC maps and other diversions but make them not consume or augement your resources in the main campaign. Even better make split routes within the split campaign or different versions of the same chapter a la FE7. Make a post game where you can grind a la Sacred Stones. There can be a map in the Nohr version, but again I only don’t want that map to allow me to cap my characters in mission 7 where I can one-shot all enemies with a bronze sword. Sure you want to have that option, but that’s what the Hoshido version’s exists to do.
“Enlighten me as to where exactly I stated as such. Oh wait: I didn’t. Why do you assume that just because I like Awakening means I somehow think it was absolutely perfect and demand If to be Awakening 2? In fact, it hasn’t happened in the timeline of this reply, but I’m going to agree with you on arena grinding.”
Then why are you so insistent on maintaining the framework of Awakening? Also looking further in your comment you also assume things of me, don’t be a hypocrite. (Here’s when you’re assuming things of me: “Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects.”)
“Um…I’m completely lost here. I literally just stated in that paragraph that I’d like chapter maps to be created with a different design philosophy than “grinding” maps; I want chapter maps to feature enhanced variety and offer up a greater array of experiences. Bringing back some of those features I rather like the sound of, such as Fog of War, isn’t an issue of not having enough personnel; it’s about making an interesting map, and anyone can do that if they actually try (one of Awakening’s biggest flaws, in fact, was its uninspired map design and objectives; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe “rout the enemy” gets boring as an objective after so many repeats). It has nothing to do with labor force, and everything to do with creativity.”
As I’ve also said, OK this is an assumption, but the fact that the maps makes me think that IS was making the game easier for people to grind and the maps and gameplay style were changed so that half the enemy army could surround you and die. There’s no explicit proof of it. I’m assuming the intentions of the map designers and well is there evidence to contradict my claims?
“I will fully agree on this front; random Risen battles weren’t a good way of doing grinding, although we’ll always disagree on resource management. On that front, may as well agree to disagree.”
Ok, great we agree that we’ll always have a different POV on this issue, but this is a franchise were weapons break all the time and your units have a limited amount of equipment they can have. There has to be a resource management element or the series will lose a part of the identity it forged. Same with permadeath and weapon triangle, that is always pushed in promotional materials.
“Making a skill Second-Tier class exclusive =/= removing all individuality. I literally just stated that I want skills like Armsthrift to be less accessible, meaning that less units can get it. It’s the same reason Galeforce is so problematic; less because it’s a ridiculously powerful skill, and more becauseso many units have access to it that an optimized Awakening playthrough is literally all about getting as many Galeforce units as you can. The skill isn’t broken because it’s powerful; it’s broken because my entire army can consist of Galeforce units, which makes damn near any map a joke, no matter how well designed.
As for Second Seals, I don’t think they should be removed, but I do agree that they could use some tweaking. Second Seals are nice for allowing a unit to continue leveling within their class; the majority of my Second Seal use in Awakening was simply so that units could reach capped stats. I would remove the ability to go class hopping from Sage to Dark Flyer (instead making it so that you could simply change between the 2 promotions of the unit’s base class), and instead would simply retain it’s level-resetting properties (because believe it or not, some people like to cap units out because it gives them a feeling of completeness).”
I meant in general that the design and personality Frederick has clashes with him being able to become a priest. Same with Chrom losing the ability to use swords when well he has 3 exclusive swords for him. Plus again, besides personality, you remember and like characters for what they can and can’t do and if they fit an archetype like Est. Canas is pretty much popular because he’s the only Dark Mage in his game. Awakening removes that with the reclassing. Cherche talking about Minerva all the time even if you reclassed her is just silly.
Second Seals could be left for the post-game. Sure I’ve gotten units maxed out, but there should also exist options that make the game enjoyable for people who want to clear the game the most optimal way possible (Spending funds, Turn counts, Exp gotten, no deaths).
“Oh, OK, I see. So because my idea of a good time in FE is different than yours, I shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy FE for anything else it offers besides the most controversial aspects. A lot of Casual-mode haters use the same logic: if you don’t like permadeath, play a different franchise. And that’s a stupid thing to say no matter what franchise (within reason) we’re talking about. How hard would it be to include extra modes distinct from actual difficulty that allowed you to turn certain things on or off? Such as a “True Classic Mode” in which resource grinding is impossible and Second Seals don’t exist? This way, the people that like it a little different can also have a slice of the cake, instead of there only being 1 slice.”
Ok, so why didn’t they put that in Awakening, I would be all over that mode? Apparently, you can’t have a game or mode like that like the Nohr campaign, because IS gets people making baseless complaints about “losing content” or “not being able to grind all day.” They are already giving options to different types of players, hell they are making games for different types of players, but now the more casual fans want to screw over the classic fans. I want the Nohr version to play like FE7 did and expand on all the good things that game did, but oh no, the casual fans who began with Awakening are gonna bitch and moan about it. I’m sure they’ll also blow a fuse if there’s no marriage and children like last game.
It’s like Persona fans moaning about SMT IV because there’s no social links and party members. I’ll enjoy both versions thank you, but at least let me enjoy the fact and have fun with the version tailor made for me.
“So what? I very much like the idea of arena-based grinding, but playing on Casual or Classic is entirely up to the player. For example, I always play Causal not because I’m a shit tactician or don’t want a challenge, but more so because permadeath has never been my cup of tea for as long as it has existed (there are various reasons for that, but they don’t really matter here). If you don’t want arena to fucked up by Casual, play Classic and it won’t be an issue.”
It’s a long and interesting video but Epic Name Bro nailed it why sometimes options screw games up.
The root is that easier or more lenient options can screw up the themes and message of a game. There should be space for food and music that’s an acquired taste and the same should be true of games. Don’t ask creators to water down their content, and if they do water down their content, heck make Casual players not get a star on their save file or have a lesser ending. MGS 5 handled the Reflex mode perfectly, you get a bonus on your score if you don’t use it.
Why can’t I have a version of a game I want? Seriously Awakening fans sound like Persona fans wanting all games in the franchise to appeal to them and them only.
I just want a game that handles itself like 10 of the 13 previous Fire Emblems. A playthrough that doesn’t allow me to max out my characters before the post game. I wouldn’t mind grinding post game and test myself against a similar mode like the Monster Ruins.
Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mere existence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).
Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.
At no point did I ever suggest that weapons shouldn’t break or that the weapon triangle should disappear. I love the weapon triangle and the fact that individual weapons break (with the exception of plot relevant signature weapons; I’m hoping Yatogami [Kamui’s sword], Marx’s sword, and Ryoma’s sword are infinite just because it would be awkward for them to break and yet continue to be featured in cutscenes). Hell, I want the Anima triangle back as well! I think Casual Mode should stay though, because it was one of the biggest things that allowed Awakening to sell the best of the entire franchise, and we both want FE to continue selling and thus have more games made. Casual Mode is entirely optional, and thus I can’t really agree with any argument that attempts to factor them as “ruining the game” when anyone who doesn’t want it can select Classic, and forget that Casual ever existed (we’ll come back to this later).
Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1” Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).
My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It is missing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story will make up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.
You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.
There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; options expand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for other people as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).
On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.
Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal to more people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.
“Why does “capped characters on Chapter 7 one-shotting everything with Bronze Swords” have to be the only possible outcome of having a map with designated arena grinding? Why couldn’t it just be there for the units I keep having to bench for particular missions because bringing them would be suicide (i.e.; leaving Pegasus Knights out of a map with 20+ Archers)? Or to bring lower level units up to speed who would otherwise be impossible to level in chapter maps (units like Donnel in Awakening, for example)? This is what I don’t get; you seem to believe that the mereexistence of the ability to grind even a little automatically means the game is unfixably ruined, when in reality you as a player have the ability to consciously decide:
> 1) Whether or not you even want to do so in the first place. (Which is YOUR CHOICE)
> 2) When you’ve done it enough and are ready to stop.
> 3) How much is too much so that you don’t over do it.
This is not a hard concept. A player looking for a challenge in Xenoblade Chronicles can’t do every single side quest in the game, or else they’ll end up constantly overleveled. Does that mean side quests should be removed? No: it means you just have to find a balance that works. (And please don’t ignore this entire paragraph because I equated Xenoblade to FE when they’re obviously not the exact same).”
Sure it is a choice, can’t they give me a choice to not have that option present? Awakening didn’t, so I’ll have for now to assume they won’t give me that option if they include a world map in the Nohr version.
ENB said that the problem with it is that devs either assume that you grinded and balanced accordingly to keep the challenge or they assume you didn’t grind and when you take your grinded units they curbstomp. Like you said, give me a True Classic mode or allow me to turn weapon degradation and EXP for trash mobs. Even better, reward me for doing that for playing the proper way and don’t reward or punish players who do that.
Path of Radiance also presented a good choice for benched units. The BEXP system… which also gave you bonuses for being efficient or fulfilling secondary objectives. They can bring that back.
Hilariously I did do every quest in Xenoblade Chronicles, but it’s a false equivalency. Sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles tend to be harder than the main game, Gaiden chapters in Fire Emblem are rewards for playing well. FE 6 and 7 did this really well. They are taken into account into the rankings of those games.
“Framework is not the same thing as making If completely identical on all gameplay fronts. Hell, I want a lot of things changed from Awakening. The presence of a world map in Nohr is not one of them. Another one is the ability to support with everyone, because it added a ton of extra content. Improve the quality of those supports, yes, but don’t reduce them in number.”
I’d make them like FE 6-9 managed. It seems a little silly that Lon’qu who dislikes women can support with more women than man and can’t support Basilio and Flavia… Hell those two can’t support themselves. As I’ve said they can keep the map, the problem always comes around to… does the world map give me an easy way out of the game’s challenge? Not having that pressure for me lessens the experience and sense of achievement, especially if I had to resort to grinding.
“Didn’t you read what I said? I said that Second Seals should only allow reclassing between the inherent paths of the unit’s base class. So say I have an Archer who can promote to either Sniper or Bow Knight. I promote them to Sniper, and then later on use a Second Seal. That Second Seal should only enable that unit to either revert to a “Lv. 1″ Sniper or change to Bow Knight, and that’s it. So in Fredrick’s case, he would only be able to either stay a Great Knight or change to Paladin; not cross over to Armor Knight or hell even Thief (as Kellam can). This would largely solve all those issues you mentioned with characters, and would also prevent Awakening’s biggest problem: the ability for damn near anyone to get damn near any skill (because skills are class specific, and thus if a unit can’t change to that class, they’ll never be able to get that skill. This prevents me from having an army of Heroes with Armsthrift and Galeforce).”
This is a nice solution. Nothing to complain here and sorry if I understood you wrong.
“My entire issue with Nohr is because Hoshido has so much more to offer than Nohr, and the choice seems frustratingly deliberate for non-gameplay reasons. What if I like Nohr’s units better, but also like what Hoshido has to offer in terms of side content? Does that mean I should just fuck off and never be able to enjoy Nohr to the same degree as Hoshido (note that I’m speaking hypothetically here as someone other than myself)? Doesn’t that seem unfair that the Hoshido campaign is full of freedom and choice, and yet the Nohr campaign is restricted and confined on a multitude of levels? As in, not in a good way? I’m perfectly OK with Nohr being more difficult, but it bothers me that the only way this can apparently be achieved is by removing the world map, thus likely removing side content as well, and thus placing all focus on a narrative that you will know all the twists to after your first playthrough and thus not be able to enjoy as much on future playthroughs. That’s what started this entire comment thread in the first place; I don’t like that Nohr is being gimped compared to Hoshido. It ismissing content; they outright stated that Nohr’s “more intriguing story willmake up for [bold is word for word what was said]” what ends up being lost compared to Hoshido (in other words, Nohr will have less replay value). And then they’re gonna charge the same amount of money for the standalone Nohr campaign as for the Hoshido campaign that offers all number of side content.”
Why not try the Nohr version if you like the units battle? do you know if the third path will allow you to choice which units do you want? Freedom and choice aren’t always good in video games. Some of the best games are cinematic and linear and offer little choice. You can get the version that suits your needs.
How do you know Nohr is “gimped”? Do you know how they’re handling the side content in Nohr? What if there’s more replay value if they add alternate versons maps, different endings, Challenges, side chapters and other routes into it?
You don’t think that putting restrictions into a player’s game is a conscious decision by the makers of the game? You don’t think a better experience can be achieved if they balance the game to always put pressure on you?
All of this seems to stem from your hatred of limitations in games. Without limitations genres like survival horror lose their impact, luster and sense of achievement.
“You can say whatever you want about Hoshido being easier. You can say whatever you want about it allowing grinding. But the fact still stands that it has more than Nohr for the same price. And that pisses me the hell off that IS would do that and screw over anyone who wants the content value of Hoshido in Nohr’s campaign. Talk about “Screwing over classic players”, but it’s not about being casual or classic; it’s about demanding equal content for an equal sales price. This is why the special edition is the only one that has any business existing, and the other 3 business models are utter shit. I will gladly pay extra for FE if it means I actually get my money’s worth.”
This is hypotethical what if Nohr has 10 more chapters than Hoshido? Are you getting your money’s worth? What if the structure of Nohr allows for more replay value?
“There’s a reason options exist in video games, and that reason is most definitely not to “water them down”. In fact, quite the opposite; optionsexpand the game for more players. I’m absolutely fine with rewarding those who go the extra mile in their playthroughs. I play Metal Gear Rising on Revengeance mode specifically because it rewards me for playing on max difficulty by increasing the Parry Counter’s damage by 10x, even if I still get my ass kicked. MGR also offers easier difficulty modes for otherpeople as well, however, which allows them to enjoy the game just like I can. I don’t look down on anyone who plays it on Easy, because I recognize that perhaps some people want to play a Platinum Games game for fun, and not to have their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Just as you might recognize that people should be given the OPTION to enjoy FE without precise resource management and limited funds. Platinum Games games have always been about challenge, but they don’t force you to do so in order to have fun with their games. There is content in MGR that is locked behind higher difficulty modes, as well as greater BP (currency) being awarded from battle and Revengeance mode’s buffed Parry Counter (which you need).”
Not all games are made for everyone, I hate it when devs dumb down a franchise to appeal to more people. Awakening’s concessions to classic players watered down the game. Lunatic mode you have only two options: Either only use Fem!Robin and Chrom if you don’t want to grind or grind to get gameplay similar to the other games.
To paraphrase the video:
“The thing is that this statement that you need always control over the game is arrogant and close-minded and conceited, because it assumes that you know everything about fun and the devs can’t teach you anything new. Tastes can change. I don’t think you know everything fun. I want the devs to tell me what is fun. That’s why you vary your tastes in games and music for example. They don’t all need to be the same and have the same options. Give yourself a chance to experience something new.”
“On the subject of MGR, do you know how it handles different difficulty settings? By changing the game. On higher difficulties, enemies are not only more aggressive, but also appear in greater number. Revengeance mode even fundamentally changes the AI, which is normally set to only attack one at a time, so that everyone can attack you at once. In addition, enemies appear on higher difficulties (namely Very Hard and Revengeance) that wouldn’t be there otherwise. For example, the first real stage of the game normally has your first fight consist of 3 basic cyborgs. But play on Very Hard or Revengeance, and that fight will also throw in a free Mastiff; a tough enemy that’s hard as hell to fight on high difficulty, and which you normally wouldn’t encounter until the next scenario afterwards; a whole fifth of the game later.
That is how you handle difficulty modes. IS could take some serious notes from Platinum Games in terms of how to design alternative gameplay modes. It would not be hard to create the modes I mentioned before, such as “True Classic” mode which would simply need to alter coding so that grinding maps are closed off (thus preventing EXP, funds, and resource grinding all in one fell swoop). Nor would it be difficult to do what Bravely Default did, and allow a more deeply customizeable experience (the ability to outright turn off things such as money, EXP, or Job Points when you don’t want them, allowing you to grind for what you specifically want without overdoing everything else). Classic and Casual modes already exist for the player to turn permadeath on or off; I personally believe that while permadeath is the “true” FE experience, it can still be enjoyed without it. Options are not bad things; they are good. The better a game can tailor itself to multiple different play styles, the better. And FE doesn’t have to sacrifice anything to do that.
Will IS do that? Will IS add extensive options to FE that would do nothing but improve the game and allow more people to enjoy it in a greater variety of ways? I wish they would, but I have a sinking feeling they won’t.”
Sure but the last few FE games have abandoned that type of customization, again go back to the solutions they had for Lunatic: Either grind or cheese the game. This is what has Veteran players (not myself necessarily) angry, they’ve been pushing the casual angle too much and form half-baked concessions to the Veterans.
“Ah, OK. Wanting variety and expansive options so that FE can appeal tomore people = (apparently) “I want FE to be Awakening always, and fuck everyone else, because I’m the only person who matters.” I was not aware that wanting IS to keep options open apparently makes me a self-entitled casual. But sure, I guess I am if you say I am.
Don’t give me that bullshit. I literally just gave off a list of ways that a “compromise” (except not even, because everyone wins this way) can be achieved. If anything, it’s the hardcore FE fans that piss me off because they like to dictate that their way to play is the only acceptable way to play, and anyone who doesn’t is just casual scum with no right to possess an opinion (not necessarily pointing at you, but I’ve met plenty in my time who act as such). “It’s my way or the highway” is the biggest cancer on gaming since linear level design, and the sooner it dies, the sooner the industry can achieve a new renaissance.”
Oh please don’t play the victim and straw man my argument. Putting more options isn’t always the best solution for the game or the player. Restrictions, linearity can be the point of a game, they can force the player to be more careful or creative in their approaches.
I am only asking for a “True Classic” mode. I’ve also given some suggestions (re-adding BEXP, Rankings, Punishing or not rewarding players who choose casual or grind). Rankings can push more casual players to try the harder and more traditional modes.
You assume Nohr will be lesser for some hypothetical reason. the game’s not out, again what if it has way more missions or side missions or Trial Maps or has the Ranking system?
The hardcore FE fans are more likely pissed because they have a valid reasoning to why Options & Freedom > Good, Well balanced and considered game balance.
“It’s my way or the high way” also seems incredibly dogmatic and restrictive. Not all games have to appeal to all human beings, like linear level design, it’s a tool for the developers to make the art they want.
You would be clamoring for games that treat the games like babies, for example adding a Easy mode to Dark souls, when the whole point of the game is to “Prepare to die” and any sense of accomplishment is gone if you know you have an easy way out. Even worse, would you be in favor of games that remove all the gameplay like what Bioware was attempting? You don’t think the gameplay would suffer if they implemented that.
Also, Human beings are elitist, some people like to feel better because they can do something others can’t. Rankings and True Classic Mode would be a great way to satiate the elitist Fire Emblem fans.
To quote ENB once again:
“The addition of an easy mode would detract from the experience of a game like Dark Souls. The possibility of failure is exactly what makes victory rewarding. Adding easy outs for the player to reduce the risk of failure lessens the experience for everyone- not just the people who use it.
Some people believe that they should have absolute control over the media they consume. Some people don’t. I DO care about what I can learn from a game. There are in fact plenty of games that allow you to enjoy them on your own terms, but this one doesn’t. And that is not a flaw of the game- it’s a feature. You have to adapt to the game, or you don’t get rewarded. You either get it, or you don’t.
This is not an interactive movie with a foregone conclusion. It’s a FUNDAMENTALLY different experience. If you want a title that caters to your whims, you are looking in the wrong place. One major reason why people love this game is BECAUSE it doesn’t hand you anything in a menu. You wanna see the end boss? Either get good or summon someone who is.”
Just a minor issue but the “trading card game” tab doesn’t have a link to the cipher cards.
Will there be a seperate board for just discussing FE TCG whether its the old one or the new one coming out?
HOLY MOLY the one with Cherche looks so good…
So I just purchased 2 each of the starter decks, I assume they are the same cards in them? Then Two Booster Boxes of the Hero Swords along with Anya Kingdom Game. Can’t wait to see what I get.
Same here. I just hope there are not too many duplicates per box.
The Starter Decks I have a feeling they are the same cards. A friend asked me to order a pair of starter decks. (I have a feeling Chrom, Masked Lucina, Tharja and Cherche are in there) so I think they should have the same cards in it. It is a “Starter” Deck after all.
As for the Booster Box, of course there is a chance of doubles. 16 Booster Packs – 10 cards each = 160 cards in total. I’ll see how it goes when I get the cards.
I’m pretty certain about the starter deck being the same but I did buy two of the starter decks with Chrom and the awakening characters just for the hell of it.
Hey VincentASM! Are you ordering any of the cards?
Good to see that HACCAN has been commissioned to do some of the artwork.
hi admin, can you help me? i have logged in to sereneforum and but keep getting this error. What should i do to post something there? 🙁
[…] can download all 12 volumes of the manga directly from our gallery. (Note that most of the “Read Online” links are currently disabled, as I slowly upload […]
I hope America decides to just put the game in one version. The third campaign as DLC I can deal with, though i’d prefer it to be included from the get-go as well. Even though I love the box art for the two versions, I don’t want two versions. I can deal with it in Pokemon since story never been important and there’s never been a big difference between a game and it’s counterpart in the series, but this game is very story focused and two versions will pull apart and detract from the experience.
Still, love the boxart, so can we have a reversible cover for this game Nintendo? (Assuming NA gets it all in one version)
[…] Fire Emblem if […]
[…] Path of Radiance […]
“Fire Emblem if will feature DLC characters, accessible from download codes bundled with special packs of the TCG.”This troubles me…does that mean that the only way to obtain these characters will be from the TCG?Or will there also be standalone dlc in the nintendo e-shop?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they used amiibo cards internationally.
Presumably NoA and NoE would just sell them for money.
The art is godly and I’m definitively interested in the game itself, but I’m hoping they’ll do a more complete rule presentation sometime. I’d like to see a complete match or rule explanation: I won’t go collecting these cards (if they were in English, maybe) but I’d be willing to play a few matches of this with the starter decks for sure!
Thank you!
Thank you for the analysis! I really hope they keep the marriage and Japanese audio option in…
If they have a card of Stahl/Soru, I will be so happy and die in peace. :3
They do. Check out the rescent post about the card game play and click the Dengeki link to see it.
The cards are badass
[…] Binding Blade […]
[…] Dark Dragon […]
[…] Thracia 776, for being released on the then-defunct Super Famicom, and the uncertain development of Fire Emblem 64, the series’s long-term future became […]
[…] The Sacred Stones […]
[…] Fire Emblem if […]
[…] Binding Blade […]
[…] Mystery […]
[…] Akaneia Saga […]
[…] New Mystery […]
[…] Thracia 776 […]
[…] was at this point the higher ups concocted a plan to get the series back on track during this difficult era, by moving the series from home consoles […]
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
[…] Path of Radiance […]
“Thanks to the inclusion of Binding Blade’s Roy in the international release of Super Smash Bros. Melee”
Aren’t you forgetting someone?
Yes, yes, and Marphy too… (he needs to be in a better internationally released game… what am I saying!?!)
Thanks. I was mainly trying to tie Binding Blade and Melee in my head and forgot him for a moment : P
Now that the series has been saved, hopefully they’ll move away from the simplicity and general “un-FEness” of Awakening. I personally feel that game was more 75% generic fantasy anime and only 25% Fire Emblem. Which is probably why it did so well in sales in both Japan and in the west. With them splitting FE14 into two (or three) games, hopefully they can make it so White is the casual game like Awakening is and make Black the more complex, TRUE FE game. Something similar in complexity to the Jugdral games, or hopefully as complex as the Tellius games.
Happy 25th, FE!! Stay alive so we can have another 25 years (though the series jumping the shark sometime in the future may or may not be a fate worse than death– No, Awakening did not jump the shark, per se…)
“the series found itself in a downward spiral of sales, leading to Heroes of Light and Shadow being the first game in the series to skip the Western market.”
Might want to put “the first game in the series to skip the Western market, since.” Obviously all the games skipped the Western market until FE7.
Heroes of Light and Shadow is one of my favorites.
Haha, I wasn’t sure how people would read that. I’ve thought of how to fix that now.
[…] Radiant Dawn […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] Fire Emblem if […]
Thanks for sharing and for all of your hard work!
R̶o̶y̶’̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶T̶_̶T̶
Is Ike supposed to be 6’8″?!? (203cm)
Ike is huge. XD He has to be, to wield that stupid giant sword.
Thank you for everything that you do for the FE community. We appreciate it!
Happy 25th Anniversary!!! I ended up pIaying FE1 today in its honor.
Very happy I got into the this series back in 2011.
My collection is still incomplete, and I haven’t really finished displaying everything yet, but since it’s time for celebration I thought I should share too!
This is my pride and joy, and took me several years of hard work, but it was worth every penny so far!
http://imgur.com/a/8WbCA#0
how much money have you spent on that ? i need to know tks. ^^
it would be nice if someone will good photoshop skills would colour this drawing.
Your first problem is that you need to seperate the color layer from the original lineart to color it. I’m not very good, but I could give it a shot. ^^
Like so: http://puu.sh/hmpxl/6e191a8fde.jpg Have fun. (The color is gone for the text. If I had time, I could prevent that, but… I’m being lazy~) Open that in something like Gimp, and it /should/ be transparent. If it isn’t, just look up a tutorial.
Why did they include Lucina and Ephraim, but they left out Celice? Celice deserves some love.
Jugdral has two characters shown, if anything Alm and Celica should be there.
I’ve been keeping up with this for a few months, and I wanna thank you for keeping up with it. Top notch job!
WHERE IS ALM
Honestly, reading the analysis, the SMT side of the analysis was definitely a bit off. The poppy, anime-influenced tone of the game is reasonably similar to the Persona and Devil Survivor games (both of which are spinoffs of SMT), but the core SMT games aren’t like this at all. Hell, the “Genei Ibunroku #FE” title is pretty similar to the Japanese title of the first Persona game, “Megami Ibunroku Persona.” And the battle system, from what we’ve seen of it, seems to be its own thing – none of the SMT games used a system like this game’s, even if they were turn-based. Honestly, the only SMT references I noticed were Atlus mascot Jack Frost appearing in a poster in the background, and the return of the Strike/Pierce/Slash attack types in a Fire Emblem-style triangle.
I mean, I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the game itself will be good, but it’s doing a pretty horrible job as a crossover – it feels more like they just made an entirely new game with Fire Emblem themes. They could’ve avoided a lot of fuss if they’d described it as “an Atlus/Intelligent Systems collaboration” rather than setting it up as a crossover.
Wow, I didn’t know there were so many FE games in the eshop.
When are they going to localize them VC games!! DX
“The Nohr campaign features diverse victory conditions”
Ohhhhhhhhhhh Myyyyyyyyyyyy Gooooooooooood!
… But does that mean the Hoshido part dosen’t have win conditions outside of “Kill Everything” like in Awakening? I mean I wanted Nohr ever since I read that it plays more like a classic FE but if the Hoshido part won’t have different winning conditions it’ll be kind of disappointing. Hahaha…
I get the feeling IS is basically making two games for two purposes:
Hoshido for the casual gamer, to be a financial success like Awakening;
Nohr for the ancients, the veterans, who hark from past eras of blood, sweat and tears.
And the neither side one is for those that just want to fall flat on their faces. XD
*victory dance* (https://i.minus.com/iyEab4BrbK11a.gif)
Aghhhhhhhhhhh! so much excite!
So my wish came true, amiibo support. I really really hope Captain Falcon is compatibel with this game (For reference sake, look at the Smash 4 reveal trailer for Lucina)
Lol, can we expect some incest then? But seriously, I hope this means that the story is good (not that higher rating=better story).
Funny thing: Genealogy has an A (Everyone) rating in Japan. Clearly incest isn’t a big issue over there : P
PG 15 it´s really good, so we can expect a more “mature” and dense history ??
About the amiibo, its kinda obvious, but i really hope a far better work in DLC chars. I almost cried when i saw my beloved Lyn in FE awakening
If only they had skins for a plain old 3DS…. *sigh*
I just hope it isn’t rated M in America.
Not really sure if that would be good for sales.
But I really wonder why the rating increase. I imagine it won’t be for blood (Awakening didn’t have any and I’m sure this won’t either) and the violence is probably going to be the same as Awakening.
It could be that there are darker moments or that there are more characters with a design like Camilla.
I don’t know. Camilla’s design isn’t really much worse than many things we saw in Awakening. Heck, I’d consider Aversa’s to be more suggestive than Camilla’s.
Yeah. However, as I said in the other half of the sentence, this story can be the darkest so far out of the Fire Emblem games. I suppose we won’t know until it comes out, but it might have to do with the fact that you might kill your little brothers and sisters. (Mainly the sisters.)
That’s not likely to happen.
M requires any one of the following:
Extensive and Gratuitous Swearing (Not “Damn” or “Hell” either, we’re talking words that rhyme with “Tuck” or “Hit”).
Sex (and not jokes either. Think Mass Effect or Dragon Age) Games rated T can have cleavage/thigh/bared midriff (See Hyrule Warriors) and still be T.
Extensive Blood/violence/gore (Again, think Mass Effect, Dragon Age or Skyrim). Games rated T can have blood (See StarCraft and Warcraft) but it has to be far more persistent and not just blood to hit M territory (see Diablo series)
Something tells me we’re not in danger of seeing the game rated M. It will likely be T with a few more descriptors in the ESRB box.
Woo! Only $200! I can afford that! *opens wallet* … *moths fly out*…
The 15+ is probably due to the fact that it’s similar to FE:A, but it may have a bit of blood, it looks like some parts of it will be really dark (especially the Nohr side) and the mental trauma of trying to keep all of your units alive~ X3
hardly traumatic with Phoenix mode haha
X3 Even the mightest will fall on super-easy mode when you hit a heartbreaking chapter. (Which I have a feel that there will be a lot of.)
Hey . . . there are some characters on the ends there that we haven’t seen before! That white-haired well-dressed guy and that older-looking purple-haired man . . . I don’t remember seeing them before.
Imagine if they released a new wave of amiibo exclusive to fire emblem if! That would actually make me buy them for once!!! (plus Sakura amiibo would be adorable!!!)
I saw an amiibo of female Kamui here
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/11193148_1662467383976741_1470417904_n.jpg
I tried to find it’s relevant log but I couldn’t find it on that cluttered nightmare of a site.
What makes it a “fan” game? Isn’t he just making a strategy RPG?
Sorry, my wording was slightly off. He is making a “doujin”/indie game; I was tired and went with a different meaning.
in the case somebody wonders where his email is, below is it
infzeek [AT] mist [DOT] dti [DOT] ne [DOT] jp
Thanks, but I think the man wants to avoid spam, so I’ve edited your message a bit.
omg …. the Limited version from this Single seems awesome
CD + DVD with MVs
Aqua´s storyboard replica with character design *-*
I wonder if they have a card for rufure/robin(the avatar in awakening )?
Well looks like I’m buying Nohr
Unfortunately I didn’t get any pics either, but I can definitely confirm there are retail displays for If in multiple locations in Tokyo, notably several SoftMap stores, where you can also preorder a 3DS LL console with an If design.
@VincentASM and everyone else out there: Don’t know if you have found this one yet, but if not, definitely worth a readtrough.
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/05/12/fire-emblem-if-adds-easier-modes-and-no-longer-has-limited-weapon-usage/
We did not… no, we can not have… no way.
Are you the avatar from Lucina’s future or something?
Hmm, interesting facts about the character classes.
So more dragon worshipping. Though it looks like they worship the same thing unlike Awakening.
Hyper casual mode! I find that really funny.
The phoenix mode seems very silly, as if casual+easy was still too hard for ppl (and if it is then maybe they shouldn’t play these games).
I’m going to be brutally honest: if normal/casual was too hard for you in Awakening, you shouldn’t be playing videogames.
I’m going to be brutally honest with you: if you care that much about how other people play video games, you shouldn’t be playing video games
I just don’t see a reason for Phoenix mode to exist. WHO has actually said that normal/casual was too hard? The mode just seems pointless.
Then you don’t have to use it
I just fail to see the reason for its existence.
Hey little prick, you saying my son, who is 9 years old, incompetent? The game was hard for someone like him but your ugly think that he is stupid? Do yourself a favor and stop limiting yourself only to your ugly ass.
Your 9 year old son should not be playing video games especially not Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is not a kids game. Be a responsible parent. People like you are the reason we don’t have nice things.
Dude, there’s no age in Fire Emblem! How old are you to believe that?
Compared to a similar game called Super Robot Wars, Fire Emblem had a LOT less innuendos. They both have the same age rating (Teen), and there were barely any in the first few Fire Emblem games. Super Robot Wars, however, was dropping them AT LEAST every other chapter. I didn’t understand them at the time, AS I WAS 5 when I played the game for the first time.
Are you being serious right now? Have you seen kids playing games like COD? I guess not because having my kids playing something other than COD is better.
I don’t think the target audience is 9 year olds. I’m saying that Phoenix mode really just came out of left field, and will attract minimal new fans or sales (if anything, it will become a ridicule point).
I started playing fire emblem before I was 9.. It isn’t an age specific game. I’m 21 and still love them. I mean yea Phoenix mode sounds ridiculously easy but what is the point in hating on it? Some people like more of a challenge than other do.
Lunatic+. even on casual, lunatic+ is a pain in awakening. and assuming it comes back, i might just use phoenix mode on it on my first playthrough through lunatic+… i dont think its confirmed to be back yet, but lunatic has.
Yeah how dare people not like a feature in a game, they must be demonized, mistreated and called salty whiners. This feature is going in everyone’s copy whether they like it or not. If you dare have the opinion (and it is an valid opinion, even if it’s regarding an option) that the game is lesser because it offers you options that remove pressure and sense of accomplishment. By the way, yes it does, even when you’re playing on super hardcore ultra super no casuals mode and you’re having your ass kicked, your first thought is… man I may want to lower the difficulty or if I was playing easy Mode I wouldn’t have so much trouble.
I would say that it’s a valid opinion to have that difficulty select screen are basically implanting the idea that you’re going or can complete the game, you’re just choosing how frustrating it will end up being. Not having a difficulty select option can be a feature for players, because it makes them uncertain if they can or will ever complete the game, making them more immersed and focused on the game. It’s the appeal of games like Nethack or any roguelike.
To paraphrase a wiser man than myself:
“When players say easy mode cheapens the game that’s what they mean it reduces the risk of failure which is an important tool the dev uses for having a sense of accomplishment so when a player player says even having the options cheapens the game, that’s what they mean. the risk of failure is not the same. If you put the easy way out it goes into everyone’s copy. “
Also all they’ve shown so far is how simplified the game is, so when are the features that appeal to the older fans gonna be shown, if they exist at all. The point of the versions was to have various flavors of Fire Emblem, hopefully they will show they care about the old fans soon or it will get frustrating.
I’m going to be brutally honest with you: if you care that much about
how other people play video games, you shouldn’t be playing video games
This changes affect players emotionally. It’s not entirely rational.
– People like to brag about things they can do others can do, if your friends.
– This is going into everyone’s copy.
– People like feeling like they’re between a rock and a hard place, having a way out affects them. Sure they can have self-control and not choose the easy mode. I still feel like it’s unnecessary annoyance that is present in the back of your mind, I’ve had this personally happen to me in some games, but rarely take the temptation.
– Difficulty select screens feels like, choose your victory for many players. I’ve never had that, but I think it’s a valid grievance. Some people like to be unsure if they’ll be able to clear the game.
– This doesn’t necessarily apply to Fire Emblem. It applies to genres like Roguelikes and horror games more.
– This doesn’t apply to me. It just ticks me off that people with valid feelings and grievances, even if they are partially irrational are demonized.
– If this was free day-one DLC few would have a problem.
So no, people don’t care how other people play game, people care about how their experience may be adversely affected. For the third time, it’s a valid way to feel about things, although not 100% rational.
Yeah how dare people like added features in a game, they must be demonized, mocked and called salty casuals who aren’t handsome hardcore Fire Emblemers like ME… I mean us.
Dude I love games like Kirby’s Epic Yarn. I personally don’t care, but I dislike it that people are being mean to people with valid complaints about the difficulty and am trying to explain why they may feel that way.
In quite the ‘shove in your face because I’m important’ way. I understand your point, but seriously. Mocking? EVERY FREAKING SERIES ADDS SOMETHING NEW. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. And seriously: Casual was a major part of why people bought Awakening. Awakening saved the Fire Emblem franchise. Think about it before shoving your hard-boiled ‘ideas’ down people’s throats.
You really can’t expect games to be THAT perfect, can you? You never have to click that feature, and I’m sure that once you get the game and start playing it you’ll forget all about Phoenix Mode. If you’re seriously tempted to switch to a lower difficulty… do you have no willpower at all?
How many people do you think were attracted to Fire Emblem: Awakening because of Lunatic+ mode? I’d wager very few — less than the amount of custom generated by Phoenix Mode at least. Hell, how many people who bought Fire Emblem: Awakening do you think actually BEAT Lunatic+? Games shouldn’t cater to you, they should cater to everyone.
You don’t know what I’m thinking so how can you be sure that I’ll stop thinking of Phoenix/Casual Moce. Especially when you can lower it permanently if you fail. I do have willpower to not choose it, I never chose Causal mode in Awkening, even when playing in lunatic. It’s more of Navi nagging me about stuff in Ocarina of Time.
It’s knowing that even if I never touch it or use it I have a way out and not feel like I’m between a rock and a hard place. When I die in awakening, particularly my Lunatic playthrough, casual was the first thing that came too mind and I just shrugged it off. Ideally, I should’ve been thinking of how to do better next time.
For me having a difficulty select screen says that the game can be cleared and you’re choosing how hard the rock and hard place is. Roguelikes don’t give a fuck. They’ve been having a resurgence because of people getting tired of games being made with the purpose of being cleared. Hell, Super Mario Bros. also didn’t care, yet is still fun and no one complains about the lack of easy mode there.
I played Fire Emblem because the permadeath, breakable weapons and characters that managed a single role. That sounded cool when Fire Emblem 7 came out and I was 11, so I bought it. Note that all these features have been made optional or removed.
Similarly I bought the Europa Universalis Games not because of how casual they sounded, but because they seemed complex and willing to respect the dedicated player. Not because it has casual mode or “you can’t lose mode.” The difficulty or lack of options can be a selling point. I know this because that’s why I bought Fire Emblem 7.
Catering to everyone is a pointless endeavor and you end up with washed up video games like Resident Evil 6, Clash of Clans and Candy Crush. Catering to everyone is catering to nobody. It’s just bland and safe entertainment.
There are people who will hate Fire Emblem no matter what and catering to them is pointless. Still, it seems that IS is more concerned with them than their old fans like me who will still buy the product no matter what, that’s a little sad.
It stills disgusts me the treatment that people receive that when something that affects their enjoyment of the game negatively are treated with bile, disrespect, and condescension. Sorry it affects them, I don’t think they’re good at expressing it, but it’s similar to how I feel.
I feel more immersed because well it’s not gonna get easier, so I better pay attention, I also have to learn all the mechanics and systems, because well, if not I’m gonna get my ass kicked and lose, and there’s no way out of it. Every decision counts more, each turn is more nerve wracking, each advantage you manage to gain is more significant because again, there’s no way out. Even if I never turn the mode out or give it a glance it still is in the back of my mind when I lose, get frustrated or can’t think of anything else.
Plus human beings in general like to brag about things they do that others can’t and sure you may be more skilled and reach a secret mission on Lunatic and feel more accomplished than if another person did it on Phoenix mode. Still the way to be really accomplished s if the other player never even sees it. It’s selfish and greedy, but hey that’s why some people do X things in video games. I can brag about doing all the sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles but would feel less accomplished if people did them with less effort on an easier difficulty setting.
Also pretty crappy that playing on the harder difficulties isn’t incentivized by IS, you’d think they’d want people to but apparently they want to coddle their players into barely learning to play the game optimally or with challenge.
I’d do with a glowing save file, rank system, achievement or trophy I can brag about to people. Anything that makes Is take note of my achievement instead of not caring how people play their game or what they managed to accomplish in it. Because I think that screwed up Awakening.
Your twin visions are equally useless.
Nobody’s right or false at this subject because it’s just an idiotic confrontation of opinions. However, something has to be say : considering video games like something else than pure entertainment is not bad and letting this media to become casual won’t be good for everyone in the future.
As others said, phoenix mode has no sense other than in lunatic (or lunatic+) difficulty; that is all. If someone needs phoenix mode to play fire emblem, this is nonsense (without saying a word about the spirit of the game, which could be discussed, I admit). Graphics, music, story aren’t the only thing that define a video game; there is the gameplay too. And the gameplay of this game in particular can only be apprehend with a certain degree of difficulty, a frustration, a mass of reflexion and a strategy. Without these elements, we don’t play the same game.
I don’t mind people who want to play with no frustration at all, but they could ask to themselves if they have chosen the appropriate game… In that way of thinking, The Danman has the right to defend the game and the media. It’s to casual people to adapt to the players who think video game is as serious as the cinema. In fact they have the right to apprehend the game in their way; not to depreciate the media because their way of playing.
No one said that they have to use casual or phoenix mode on only normal difficulty. Consider the difference in strategy for something like: phoenix/lunatic+.
EDIT: oh, now they have confirmed that phoenix mode is only for normal mode… lame.
Hey, if *Bunny-Phoenix-Slope-Mode* increases sales and keeps Fire Emblem alive for a few more years (or a decade even), I’m all for it.
As long as they don’t take away Classic Mode, I don’t think it’s really a problem (now if they did then that’d be something to get angry about).
…Of course I won’t ever use *Bunny-Slope-Mode*… (unless they have a secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++! Mode in which you fight Fomortiis, Grima, Nerge, and a Family-Sized Starship on the first chapter… then I’d consider it.)
And the Endgame of Secret Lunatic-Blithering-Madman++!, wanna take a guess? ALL Past Fire Emblem characters. Maxed-out stats, all with Limit Breaker. (That means HUNDREDS of enemies! Oh JOY!)
Don’t forget the thousands of generics you have to get through on that chapter before you get the *privilege* of fighting the characters who have a name and mugshot. And at the start of every player phase all your units’ HP is reduced to 1 and at the start of every enemy phase 8 generics all warp to surround your units with max’d out stats, limit breaker, and the LOLUDIEDEDLOSER skill equipped. Also, because of LOL, such skills as Sol, Counter, and any other skills remotely useful in a masochistic torture fest (such as this mode) suddenly disappear from your units’ skill slots.
XD
Presumably Phoenix mode will be openly labeled just like the settings in Awakening, allowing you to point and laugh at people.
As a fan of Genealogy’s reforging, I honestly don’t mind the infinite use weapons one bit.
I just wish they could have had kept a smithy, to keep a similar level of complexity like where to focus funds that way. Holy War did it fine since gold wasn’t pooled, the battles were long, and the weapon ranks were fixed.
This makes me even more sure that Aqua won’t be a traditional dancer, but rather some kind of Dancer/Lancer/Lord Class. Seeing as the Avatar is a Dark Prince/Princess (Manakete/Sword/Lord), Wouldnt it make sense for Aqua to be a similar mix of classes, if she is designed to be Kamui’s foil? (Perhaps they’ll even go as far as calling her Light Princess?)
Well, Olivia wasn’t a traditional dancer either, seeing as she could use a sword. Units who can’t fight in a FE may (or may not) be a thing of the past…
Sylvia and Feena could use swords.
Do we happen to know the default name of the My Unit this time?
is Kamui
So i guess people are going to joke about phoenix mode like lunatic+ mode
I suppose I have mixed feelings about unbreakable weapons. On one hand, a unique bit of FE strategy has passed (“Don’t use the Rapier because we may need it later!!”)… but, on the other hand (provided Weapon Forging returns), forging Alm’s Blade or whatever other neat assorted weapons we’d get to play with isn’t a total waste of time!
On a related note, the weapon durability system was nearly completely broken in Awakening seeing as you could basically buy Hammerne staves from a shop towards the end of the game (a randomly generated Secret Shop, but a shop just the same)… not to mention just how many other things you could horde with the right DLC…. *Edit because I just remembered* AND the restocky-thingy too…
As for Phoenix Mode, I’m just grateful they only added it and didn’t take away Classic Mode.
Normally I might be confused at the utility of Phoenix Mode… Easy Casual was pretty hard to die in intentionally… but then I realized.
Lunatic+
You know, Luna+ & Absolute Hit with a Hammer mode on poor Fredrick? I’m pretty sure we could all still manage to loose spectacularly in that mode assuming that it’s still Game Over for the Lord and other important characters.
So aqua is your adopted sister?
Don’t think so, I think you were raised in Nohr and she was raised in Hoshido, so you probably didn’t know each other
Sorta… If this information is right then you and her basically switched places, but in the end she chooses the same family as you. Which might mean she is your adopted sister, but I doubt they will actually classify it as such in game and you will probably be able to marry her(if marriage is in) since she is neither your blood sister and you weren’t raised with her as siblings.
“This particular detail hasn’t been confirmed, but it seems the
blue-haired songstress, Aqua, may be in a similar but reverse position
as the Avatar. According to reports, she is the princess of Nohr taken
prisoner by Hoshido.”
Hoping this gets confirmed ‘cuz I’m just laughing in my chair right now and will laugh all the way through all Mandark style if it is. Peace loving Hoshido my butt!
Also nine save files. They know what’s up.
Y’know, Phoenix mode sounds dumb but it offers a new way to play the game.
Like having a playthrough in which your goal is to beat the chapters while killing off all of your army as much as possible. Then we all share our records.
So, these are just leaks right? Does this mean you might be able to get more info when the issue actually comes out?
Yes, hopefully : )
There is an interview in this week’s issue too.
Still no option to change skin color, I see. :/
Anyway, Phoenix Mode sounds silly, but then again it’s not aimed at players like me. Anyone who actually ridicules others for picking Phoenix Mode is just a dick.
It wouldn’t really work for this game since you have to look at least somewhat like your four siblings. Hopefully the next game with an Avatar allows you to pick skin color.
Still not likely. How many people with tan-dark skin do you see in Japan?
A lot of Asians are tan, actually (myself included). Tan Asians just aren’t as well-represented in Asian media because white skin is considered attractive in most East Asian countries.
Not sure how to feel about the whole “no durability on weapons” thing. I’m sure it’s something I’ll get used to. As for the Phoenix Mode, I don’t see why not? It’s just a silly thing for people to play with. If you don’t want it, stick to classic. I think the more options people have, the better. Overall, still really looking forward to this game!
If you’re playing Fire Emblem casual mode you are not playing Fire Emblem, you are playing Noob Emblem.
Nah. Maybe you just want to enjoy the fun gameplay without the worries. What’s wrong in that?
You can enjoy it while playing it the way it was made to be played.
The Phonix mode is AN OPTION !!
If u dont like, dont choose it, Its very simple. People really feel ashamed cause the game can be finished by casual players ??
This Phonix mode will make FE a more friendish game, and more people will come to like it. More popularity more games. Or these people didn’t know that the franchise was about to be discontinued by nintendo cause Fire emblem it wasn’t selling as they expected ??
the weapons durability was a nice system, but on the other hand, it´s suks to not use a cool-motherfuker-godlike weapon cause u dont want to break it (yea FE is dificult enough to make u use them), with this mode we all could enjoy a nice weapon at our content. it may be a nice implement (or not)!!
Seems like the unbreakable weapons thing will make it less of a challenge. I can see it working for legendary weapons, but not normal ones.
See when I first heard that the avatars dragonstone could not break I thought it would just be like that for certain items. I thought beast and dragon stones having a durability to be ridiculous. The +stones yeah I can see why, maybe not tikis but whatever. I also thought it weird you can buy them. Like Nah brings up to Cynthia that dragonstones are rare a precious and should be wasted on dumb things like looking like a bad ass. Like Nah, Ive got leaif blades, Inigo with rightful king, AND he has despoil. We have infinite money right there.
I wish regular weapons had durability still though. It added a point of strategy and made for some tense moments trying to get Chrom or someone over to a unit to give them a new weapon if theirs broke.
I agree with that, ’cause dealing with dragonstones has ALWAYS been a real pain. At least the Falchion was unbreakable…….
Gaiden had Unbreakable Weapons too, ya know.
(Edit: Alm is from Gaiden. Because some people don’t know which game he’s from)
Well, I can get why they rolled with Phoenix Mode and they’re not wrong per say. But people shouldn’t be afraid to challenge new things just because it seems a little daunting. They may end up liking it more than they thought.
Well, that’s just my take. More power to the devs and for those who go down this path. Classic Hard is always the way for me.
“With those hot topics behind us for now, there was a spicy rumour about the heroine, Aqua, which we can now confirm to be true.
Similar to the Avatar, Aqua was originally the princess of Nohr, taken
prisoner by Hoshido. The circumstances of her capture are unknown, but
it does raise a lot of questions.”
…Now if you’ll excuse me… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiGIQrt1IaE
Hoshido or Nhor ?? damn you Intelligent system, i never was as happy as pissed with a choice :v
i loved the Nohr’s royal family, but i want to protect Kamui’s hometown. It’s a a fuking dificult choice but i’ll probably chose Nhor and change the kingdom from inside.
Which side will you guys take ?
Currently planning on choosing Nohr, though it’s not like I’m in a rush.
Got all the way until 2016 to figure it out (grumble gumble)….
are roy and marth in this game?
This troll right here…
Yes they are, but you have to make them yourself. :3
So… I still don’t have something perfectly clear. Both campaigns are available in ONE game, right? it’s not going to be something like Pokemon where you have to chose a specific version of the game (FE if: Hoshido or FE if: Nohr), RIGHT?
That question has multiple answers:
In Japan, it’s being sold in two versions, plus a limited edition (that’s sold out) with both versions on-cart, plus a download code for the third campaign.
NOA however presented it as an in-game choice, so I don’t know.
Ditto with NOE, though there’s something that makes it seem like they’ll do multiple versions.
My best guess as to our silver-haired mystery man’s name is Aquinas (アキナス). キ and ス are visible, and then out of the letters with those bottoms, ア and ナ are the most probable, thus Aquinas.
The other new unit names are Suzukaze and Elfie.
“…while others may be extremely powerful, but difficult to attack twice
with.”
Interesting… so they’ll abolish durability but bring back weapon weight maybe??
More like weapons having straight up stat buffs/debuffs. For example:
https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/gallery/april-2015-nintendo-direct/nohr5.jpg
Note the two green stats and the red stat. It’s quite possible that Yatogami buffed the green stats while it de-buffed the red stat, and the colors denote it.
Interesting… I guess I’ll have to actually play the game in order to wrap my head around how that would actually work. XD
Also, I guess dragonstones have a weapon rank now? (Probably already been noted… oh well…)
Oops, double posted. Sorry!
I was wondering if you could possibly get a larger scan or screenshot of the Nohr family like you did with the Hoshido? Unless you got it from another source, in which case, sorry for bothering you.
Edit: whoa, why aren’t my comments showing up on the list…
What are they doing to the by many beloved FE formula 🙁
I mean, I would still buy the game. I am going to buy it no matter what.
But major changes like this are. not. necessary.
yeah idk this seems like a bit too much, guess we’ll have to wait and see
It makes it more interesting, so older fans do not get bored.
They’re making things easier for casuals, while attempting to appeal to old fans but inserting artificial complexity.
Honestly I think these changes are hilarious and unnecessary. They feel like an afterthought.
Will still get the game though. Just doesn’t feel like this will be Fire Emblem.
Sounds like you just don’t like change in general. Aside from Phoenix mode, nothing is making the game “easier”. Honestly the new way of handling weapons brings a lot more stategic elements rather than the tedious item management of old.
It’s true the changes are not necessary, but having played all the games in the series up to now, I’m welcome to change. In my opinion, it’s better for the series to change and improve, rather than stay the same. Otherwise, I may as well play the older games.
Exactly because we are all gonna buy it anyway after Awakening is why this is an easy time for experimentation. I’m expecting some of these changes to return in later games, others not. It all depends how well they all work
can someone put higher resolution for the first scan?
Wait for famitsu article on 21.
They always do that: put picture for ants for tease first and later update it
New classes !! Maybe these are IF´s only classes, but i really love new classes.
Great Butler is obviously Buttler advanced class, im really loking into Maid´s and Ninja´s advanced ones.
That was actually an error. Gunther’s class is Great Knight instead.
is that so ??
hahah … its make sense
“He was a butler… no a Great Butler!!” (And the Jeigen)
So, does anyone know if that -2 to Str and Skl on Silver Weapons is cumulative? Like, do you reduce them after each attack, until you’re whittled down into dealing no damage? Because that’ll make them pretty bad for chokepoints, which, I admit, would be a shake-up to established tactics.
It says there that it is until next turn, so most likely it will just be restore at the end of the turn, you use it, you get the -2 leaving you vulnerable during the enemy phase, on your next phase you should have the Str and Skl again on normal.
I know it’ll be restored at the end of the turn. What I’m asking, is if you kill a guy, then another guy comes up to you and you kill him, does that mean that you’re down to -4 Str until the next turn? So that if more and more enemies throw themselves on you, that you’re Str gets worse and worse until you can’t hurt anything until the next turn?
Because that just kills choke point potential, which has been one of the main tactics for FE for a long, LONG time.
Wow, I actually did not think of it that way. Well, with the few information we have I’d assume that it would work that way, probably the it is only after you use the “attack” command, if so, no reductions should be done when being attacked. Hopefully this will get clarified once we have the full article translated or newer articles.
This assumes there will be choke points at all. Do we know if the maps are designed any better than Awakening? Although I guess being reduced to 0 damage in the middle of a wide, open field would also suck.
Don’t use Silver weapons at choke points then. I think that’s the point of this new system: some weapons are useful in certain situations but completely ill-suited in others. We have to determine which is the most suitable on our own.
I personally don’t think the debuffs would be accumulative though, I imagine it would be just once. But we’ll have to see…
To me it clearly means that every time you use it, your Str and Skl are reduced by 2. At the end of your turn they are back to normal, and then the next time you use it again they are reduced by 2 back to -2.
What I’m more interested to know is whether attacking with a silver sword twice in one fight will reduce it by 4, and whether, presuming something like Galeforce returns, using it 4 times in one turn (twice in two fights) will reduce by 8. It could get rather crippling, and I’m not sure if I like it or not yet.
I doubt it, I have a feeling the negative stats mentioned are applied when you EQUIP the weapon, not every time you use it.
Take another look.
Silver Sword: Critical Evade -5; AFTER USING, Strength and Skill -2 UNTIL NEXT TURN
Brave Sword: Allows 2 consecutive attacks, Defence and Resistance -4
The caps are my emphasis. There’s a pretty clear distinction between the Brave weapons (which appear to be exactly as you say) and the Silver.
I was hoping that someone who read Japanese had taken a look at the article to see if what I said was true, but I guess the author of the article had already given all the information available.
I definitely see what you mean now. Yeah most likely there is some sort of translation inconsistency there, we’ll have to wait and see.
Interesting changes. I like the additions to the Weapon Triangle. Sounds like an interesting shake-up. Old one was kind of stale anyway.
I have been rather perplexed with all changes they’ve made thus far. But this is good news, truly a marriage of the weapons and magic triangles. The balance seems good and if they limit the # of Weapons, I’m sold! You have my interest.IS. Also, I like Felicia and like that she’s on both sides! 🙂
I trust them. After all, they are the one who created fire emblem. They know what they’re doing
Oboro, Kagerou, Suzukaze? WWII Japanese ship names anyone?
And then they’ll be a guy named Yamato and… XD
Finally, bows have joined the triangle!
Are there any news if Light magic is back?
No confirmation yet, but frankly I think its for sure coming back. Dark and traditional Anima will be Nohr, and Light plus new Anima (like Ice Magic) will be Hoshido.
Depending on how Kozaki feels about releasing his work, to me I feel this weekly countdown to awakening on Famitsu would be a good as chance as any to reveal a full-bodied character (like around the size of the royal family official arts that were in the previous week). Like….this would have been a good chance as any to get a better look at either Cyrus or Oboro. Ergg! Well, I’m hoping there’s also an art book for If.
I am okay with this, actually. It’ll help create different strategies for my play style. Now I just hope that the map design isn’t as stale as Awakening’s was.
I think I might prefer it this way. Now I have incentive to use something other than a brave or steel sword. I probably still will 90% of the time anyway, but at least there’s something there instead of a direct tier progression with the only incentive being durability. Also I wonder if they’ll bring back the magic triangle.
Given magic’s spot in the weapon triangle, I doubt it. If there was such a triangle, you’d think they would announce it along with this one.
So, this is another early leak, correct? The rest comes tomorrow?
The real question is….will we be able to cross-promote our other units into maid’s and butlers (if they still decide to keep the second seal)?
I dont think so, i thik Butlers and Maids will be special ones, like Dancers, Bards and Lords
Change is good, it maybe won’t work out, but excluding the abolition of the weapon durability, none of the announced implements will actually change the core of Fire Emblem Gameplay, note that WE Gaiden also use this method. Still they are changing this aspect of the strategy to try a new one.
I see many people talking bad about they want to make FE if more casual, but they cant remember that exactly why FE franchise still exist. FE awakening was to be the last game, but because the changes, and the appeal to casual gamers the game was a fuking sucess, and now we have this great FE project.
damn, it’s really sad that Butler and Maid are promoted classes. It`s known that early promoted classes, are OP early game, and sucks late game … (cof frederick) Damn you Intelligent system D:
ps: R.I.P great butler
I agree! Frederick is amazing but heavily falls of late-game and doesn’t have much use then. If Maid and Butler are promotions, what’s the base class?
hard to know D:
but i reeeally hope they are not early promoted, they seems to be unique classes like Dancer and Lord.
Every FE has one early promoted to hold early game, but they are normaly Great Knight, and Noh already have one. hope still lives
Slave? Nah probably peasant or something
Pitiful-Servant-Child.
Well they’re almost purely support classes really, all they need is to not get hit and get their hits in to debuff the enemies. So its not like they won’t be totally useless especially if their levels aren’t capped at 30.
I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t really get what would promote to Maid or Butler. I’d put more money on them being special classes like Dancer, which would make sense because they focus on support overall.
I guess I’d like to have a Healer-Jeigen rather than a Jeigen that could actually steal my EXP if I wasn’t a veteran of FE enough to know to avoid said Jeigen like the plague.
Byakuya/Hoshido Ninjas
スズカゼ – Suzukaze
サイゾウ – Saizou
カゲロウ – Kagerou
omg, girl ninja OP
Their profiles and the rest of the scans were translated here, too!
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/fire-emblem-if-famitsu-scan-translations-all-52115/
I have a feeling that brave Hero is going to have a personality like Gaston….
Nobody loves himself more than Gaston or fails to take a hint like Gaston. <w<
That Hero looks like Captain N’s Simon Belmont.
Aren’t the ofudas the “new” tomes? As for Hoshido, of course.
Well, we haven’t fully seen much to confirm that theory. Our only instance of seeing the ofudas was that tiny scene from the first trailer.
It seems to me like Butlers/Maids are the Nohrian healer class whist Hoshido seems to be going more traditionally FE (Sakura the Priestess) with clerical healers… If that’s true, I think it’s brilliant, as in the tropes and classes actually have a hand in the storytelling and world building (as opposed to Bernese healers, Lycian healers, and Etrurian healers all using the same staves and are clerics/priests of the same church). They also seem to be doing well in that the new classes seem to be functioning the same way the healers did in the elder games; so storytelling elements and a continuity of gameplay-function at the same time!! ^_^
I hope I can have bright red hair in this game because for whatever reason you couldn’t have red hair in awaking. Oh and hot pink. Also hoping dudes get hair accessories has well. In Japan hair bands are popular with younger men and its not like the world will explode if a dude had a feminine hair piece. I want flowers in my hair.
In our hearts, it shall always be Great Butler.
In our hearts, it will always be the Great Butler.
I wonder if they’re going to be the Freddie of the franchise. Powerful to start with, then quickly fall off towards the mid-to-late game.
Taking the word ‘butler’ extremely literally, what would they wield? Canes concealing swords, fancy dinners to throw at the enemy, etc?
😛
Cutlery. It worked for Sebastian from Black Butler. 😀
Then again, if they were geared entirely towards both serving and protecting their employer, they would have some martial skill and experience in subterfuge to go with it.
Sabotage wouldn’t be too far out of the question or information gathering-keeping an ear to the ground to ensure there are no threats within their staff and so on. Really it would depend on the person.
Concealable weaponry would be ideal so knives would be more appropriate, but think along the lines of maybe how royal butlers/guards are portrayed. Hand to hand combat perhaps? You wouldn’t mess with them regardless of the choice.
Yeah, a badass butler is definitely going to be more intimidating than a swordsman.
adding that to my FE:If ToDo roster.A whip cane is perfectly feasible if BloodBorne is anything to go by, and no one will even see it coming.
For anyone curious, the Dengeki character profiles were translated and put onto the page here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/fire-emblem-if-dengeki-character-profiles-all-5212015/
Judging by the images, it seems like Aqua or her pendant has the power to control water. Perhaps it’s the Nohr’s equivilent to the Dragon’s Vein ability?
both royal families has the Dragon’s Vein ability … in theory all of them could use it, but only in special occasions.
But maybe, just maybe, each of them has one different Dragon´s Vein ability. Kamui coul control space time, and Aqua water (just a theory)
I find it odd that the royal family in Nohr have the same ability as the royal family of Hoshido. It’d make more sense if both were reffered to as Dragon’s Vein, but had different effects, like Aqua’s waterbending. (Not going to lie, that’s pretty much what it is.)
I think it’s cool. It suggests both families have the same roots, which could lead to complications further down the road.
the producers said that both families members will have Dragon Veins, and will only be an option in special ocasions, like rebuild a bridge ore start a water flood. More details are still unclear, but I think the effect will vary with the trigger not with the characters
i’m very curious about this images, i dont have the japanese skill to read this, but could it be about the relations between the families members ?
Nope, the characters are only used to illustrate Attack Stance/Guard Stance. In the “battle” on the left, Camilla is standing next to Marx who initiates an attack on Ryouma; Camilla would join the battle and Dual Strike. In the other image, pairing Sakura with Hinoka would boost the latter’s stats; however, Sakura cannot Dual Strike.
If I make any mistakes, please correct me.
I hope that helps! 🙂
you are right … it’s only exemples of pair up attaks
Just wondering, does anyone knows what the 7 customisation options are? In Awakening, there were the 5: build, face, hair, hair colour and voice, and we know there will be a hair accessory option. Does anyone know what the 7th option translates to?
You can choose “face details”, like the band aid on the customized male MC in the scans.
Hinoka is a lot larger than I thought… Why did she have to be Elder Sister? Sigh… Hopefully her lover options have great supports with her.
I’m loving all the great coverage on this game, it’s keeping my hype alive and well – keep up the great work!!
Their reasoning for the abolishing of weapons is terrible. I really hope the added depth adds complexity as opposed to makes things easier. I understand appealing to newcomers, but this change affects vets too… If anything, it should have been optional.
Don’t know, i like what they did with that.
Like i won’t give brave weapon for all units (-4 for def and res? it can be one dead unit after one turn). It isn;t what i’ll call *make game easier*. Without weapon durability game become *less tedious* yeah.
I like the new complexity too, but I don’t know if they’ll make good on their word. I hope it’s as complex as it sounds on paper AKA the units are actually affected by said buffs and debuffs.
???
I don’t think i follow. We can already see that units actually affected by buffs and debuffs. And what the point in removing features after telling that they are in game?
Not removing, I do apologize, I could have worded better. I’m fearful that units will be too powerful that the debuffs won’t be significant.
When they say they did it to make the game easier for newcomers, I still don’t see it. Like, with durability, all you had to think about is what weapon to use (though I can understand with Nohr because the lack of ability to earn money outside the main game. Hoshido on the other hand….it just depends on how much money you’re able to get), but with the buff system, it seems they’ll have to require more thinking in deciding what weapon to use for their unit. I mean I have no issue with the whole thing. It just seems like they didn’t make things easier despite what they claim because now newcomers have to worry about things like “Double Attack Threshold” numbers.
Fair enough. Hopefully the depth in the additions adds to the experience as a whole.
Again the Change the fe mechanics sometimes in the franchise especially the weapon mechanics. Ok first off sometimes a franchise need something new I can’t be the same thing over and over. Second you do realize there are thing in the game that still make it hard right.
Also stop complaining the same thing, dipshit. XD
I think there must be a lot of new items for each weapon types if they think newcomers will be overwhelmed by it.
Three things I noticed/liked~:
1) It was kind of obvious of them to get rid of hand-held ranged-weapons’ ability to double-attack. Because if you think about it realistically, once you throw your javelin over a wall….you’re not getting it back.
2) People/IGN can stop complaining about butler and maid classes as they promote into actual canon classes now.
3) MALE PEGASUS KNIGHTS!!!! TSUBAKI is most likely a guy now
I’m pretty sure Tsubaki is a guy since he uses the male pronoun “ore” in one of the scans. Can never be sure, though, he could be a really boyish girl since Sully used “boku”, another male pronoun. …I say he’s a guy.
Well, at least that trope lives on! (Sully, Libra, Lucius…… and so on)
You do realize there was tropes in other fe games too right?
More than can be counted, my good sir (no, really). The tropes make up half what FE truly is. I can live without weapon durability, but never take away my Jeigen’s, my Navarre’s, my Caeda’s, my Est’s, my Cain’s, my Abel’s, and my Gotoh’s (that was just the stuff I remember off the top of my head. A half hour from now, I’d have remembered twice that). XD
“More appealing for newcomers” seems like a blatant marketing tactic to me. There is just no way they would be so brutally honest with such a controversial subject as this, unless there’s a good reason. It’s just like them saying the Hoshido path is more appealing to Awakening players despite the fact that grinding costs like 1000+G each battle…
Compared to weapon durability, there are a lot of other much more lethal things like enemy dual-strikes, difficult/complex map objectives etc. that are easier to turn new players away than weapons having limited uses (which has rarely been a problem anyway unless in higher difficulty due to the massive amount of resources that we tend to get), yet they still had no problem including and CONSTANTLY ADVERTISING those stuffs.
Therefore, I’m of the opinion that they’re only using “new players” as an excuse to test out something new, yet still attract newcomers at the same time.
No it’s called easing up for the noobs.
1:Sometimes game developers will make a change so the newcomers can see what the game and it’s franchise is like.
2: you do realize to grind in awakening to grind is spend money on the zombie boxes duh.
3: sometimes in the franchise they some change the fe mechanics all the time.
4:if I’m correct weapon mechanic change some times too in the franchise.
It’s fine to disagree with somebody else, but let’s ease up on the name-calling. Opinions are just that: opinions.
…That is exactly my point. In case I haven’t made myself clear, I was saying that people shouldn’t read too much into their claim that certain options were added/removed just for the sake of new players (and thus having no concern about the veterans), while it isn’t necessarily always the case. Development changes happen, they wanted to test out new things, there didn’t even need to be a reason for that, they could very well just shake things up for the sake of having something new. But hey, saying that they’re considering the newcomers help sell the game, so why not?
Also, in Awakening, Risens pop up after a while so you can freely grind if you have enough patience, but that’s beside the point here.
I think that Fire Emblem:If will be a bit too easy. Like… Phoenix mode, a mode where your units never really die- that takes away the strategic and emotional challenge that IS Fire Emblem. Not to mention the removal of weapon durability. Instead of removing it all together, they should have given the players the option if they want to turn durability off/on. That way, they will be pleasing people who are worried about their weapon’s condition, AND the people who are looking for a bit of a challenge. What do you guys think?
I think its going to be really hard actually, enemy pair up alone makes everything more threatening and positioning vastly more important.
Oh oops, I forgot about the enemy pair ups, sorry about that… But one thing that I really wanted was the option to turn durability on/off. Tbh, I actually found the games to be a bit more thrilling with durability, cause in real life, weapons do break if they are overused time and time again. I understand that they would remove durability for the Nohr campaign, but what about Hoshido? We’ll probably be drowning in weapons, and I’m not sure selling them would kinda work out. I mean, we usually bought MORE weapons with our money though, right? We can buy more medicine and all that but I don’t know… It just doesn’t sound as challenging anymore…
I don’t really know, when I was doing my no grind runs in Awakening, Cash wasn’t exactly the easiest thing to come by and presumably with unbreakable weapons comes higher price point per weapon as well as shops not having unlimited weapons on sale. So with the more horizontal progression, buying weapons still retains that economic factor. This all comes down the execution which can’t be easily stated in interviews and the like so we’ll have to see how it turns out in june. There’s also the speculation that Hoshido’s “World map” isn’t actually a world map, just a method to take optional battles (Which also can put economic strain in ways the Nohr campaign does not).
Hm, I guess that’s true… Well, thanks for clearing that up! 😀
weapons do break in real life, but no self-respecting army would fail to do proper maintenance on their weapons to keep them from breaking. Outright unbreakable still seems kinda sketch, I would have liked it if it was like weapons get their durability reset at the end of battles, but I guess we’ll have to see the game before we know if it’s good or not.
I’m a little scared this is the case… Though we’ll find out in a month’s time.
Oh Shut up already about “being scared”, for fuck sake have you forgot the enemy pair ups and the option to make it difficult as you please.
Quit being such a faggot over the small things especially for the one mechanic that changes sometimes in the series.
There’s nothing to be scared of on an optional option. I’m assuming you’ve at least played another FE title before so would have no need to go on Phoenix. No one is losing anything by playing Phoenix. If those players thought the game was too easy or decide to write a bad review on it then it shouldn’t matter because 1) They paid for the game, not like they can return it 2) Everyone else will know they did it on the easy-as-all-hell Phoenix mode so their complaints will have zero standing.
I’m actually not scared of Phoenix in the slightest. I’m not a fan of it, but it really is what it is. I’m just wondering if the lack of durability is for the better as we’d have some replacement options, but they are untested meaning it could go great or horribly. It’s a case of tried and true vs the new, and as someone who likes the mechanics, I’m more on the side of tried and true. However, by a month from now we’ll have a good indication of the game and its new mechanics as a whole.
There’s already been a game without weapon durability. I think it was fe 3 or 4 but I can’t remember specifically. Admittedly, it was done differently and there was a very limited number of weapons but from what we’ve heard the weapons will have distinct drawbacks and advantages which will be enough to warrant having to bring different weapons with you and developing different strategies around each of their effects.
The game is about choices even the difficulty have you forgotten the different game visions, enemy pair ups, or the option for death and difficulty?
Duh dumbass
Er… ‘visions’? do you mean ‘versions’? I’m sorry, I was a bit confused there for a sec XD anyways, yeah I admit I kinda forgot about the enemy pair ups, but casual was already a bit easy enough. At least for casual, if your units die, they will stay out of the battle, thus making you change your plans and think a bit more. However, with the new Phoenix mode, the player doesn’t really need to change their battle tactics, only trying to keep the rest of their units alive for one turn. I know you don’t have to play Phoenix, but with that mode, it kinda takes away the whole challenge.. At least in my opinion..
Oh sorry i must have spelled “vision” on my phone by mistake, but hey I have to say that’s a pretty weak way to laugh at something.
1: yeah even in causal you can still lose, you just need to Protect the main characters. Also in causal they don’t stay dead dipshit they come back after your done.
2:in chess there is thing called back spacing were you can take back and it’s kind of like Phoenix.
3: it’s about learning.
1. Yes, I knew that they come back to life afterwards. I just didn’t feel like explaining it sorry.
2. Did not know that since I don’t have the chance to play chess that often
3. May you please be a bit more specific about ‘it’s about learning’? I don’t really think I understand what you mean… Do you mean learning about different strategies?
And I really apologize about prolonging this discussion. Also, one more thing-
May you please kinda stop it with the name-calling? Calling someone a ‘dipshit’ or a ‘dumbass’ can really hurt them.
1: yes because you had so much time on how funny the word “vision”.
2:do you know how some games play where the put you on easy at first ,but then they lead you to hard? anyway they are a lot of new players especially the younger gamers aka kids that might want to play a strategic game.
1. sorry about putting the ‘XD’ I have a tendency to kinda laugh (or at least put a lil laughing emoji/smiley) on conversations that I feel are getting a bit intense/heavy/you get the point so it can kinda lighten the atmosphere. I didn’t really laugh or find it at all funny.
2. I see your point. Thank you for clearing that up! 😀
Deal with it. You’ll be glad they implemented both of those when Lunatic+, or possibly Lunatic++ rolls around. That should be dificult enough for you. And the fact is, you don’t HAVE to use Phoenix mode, so don’t complain about it.
Haha, yes Lunatic+/Lunatic++ would be a bit of a nightmare XD
And I’m not really complaining about the new Phoenix mode. I just have some mixed feelings about it. Like yes, it makes our lives a whole lot easier since we know that our units will spring back to life on the next turn. But because of that fact, some players may have a tendency to not think about the battle too much (I may have worded that weirdly I don’t know XD), thus taking away it’s strategic challenge. Say for casual. We know our units will come back WHEN THE FIGHT IS OVER. However, in the meantime, the player must come up with another new plan on how to win the battle without those units who have just died.
If newcomers find the game boringly easy on Phoenix mode they could always just change the difficulty/start a new game. If they liked it as Phoenix then so be it. One can hope that they’ll like the game enough to replay/buy the other versions and play it on a higher difficulty. Though I got to say if they do get all three version and do Phoenix on all of them….well um….yeah…I guess if they truly felt like doing that its not in our position to stop them….but they’re really missing out by sheltering themselves through all that.
Huh… Guess that’s true. Thanks for clearing some things up! 😀
It’s optionally easy, there’ nothing wrong with that.
So as a neutral party towards Phoenix, I think it would be interesting/make things not as easy, if they reverted the starting units’ stats to its normal value after each revival. I mean if a character gained like 3 levels during a chapter but then died and revived on the following turn, that they would lose any stat gains and their level would be brought back down to the level they were when they started the chapter. But meh, whatever, if that’s not the case then I don’t really care.
Intelligent System is trying to make Fire Emblem more friendly to newcomers, this mean more people playing FE, more succeed, more money, and more GAMES. People forget thar FE awakening was supposed to be the LAST FE GAME, cause FE wasn’t very popular.
Phoenix mode may be a little too much, but it’s supposed to bring more players to Fire Emblem world, and that´s awesome for us. And one more time, it´s an option, you can always play classic and be happy, have an option is always a good idea.
And about the weapon durability … yeah it’s a major change to FE formula, but change is not always a bad thing. It sucks to have that awesome weapon and don’t use it, cause you don’t want to break it, im sure many players have some unused powerful weapon cause you wait to much to use it. It´s a waste. They are changing this aspect from weapons, but on counterpart they will (at least try) balance this change.
Awakening was a hit and I’m looking forward to what Fire Emblem if has in store.
I’m all for them fiddling around with the weapon system. The whole “javelin-can-only-attack-once” thing does add a little more depth to the game… Of course clearly every weapon is now made out of the same MEGAMETAL™ that Ragnell and Falchion are made of… Totally legit, that.
Of course they’ll realize their mistake and bring durability back… except they didn’t bring weight back… *sniffsniff* I guess we’ll never hear that triumphant ♪Wah-wah-wah-wah wah-wah♪ anymore. *cries*
I always wondered how javelins could be thrown twice…….and the hand axes seemed to be boomerangs……
For javelins, I always thought (back in the GBA era) that you got a set of 25 (hence 25 uses or whatever it actually was because my memory fails) and that if you were quick enough, you’d get two off instead of just one…
As for hand axes… yeah, they were totally boomerangs.
This is a very interesting interview. I only hope this game provides a strong challenge. Sure I know it wants to bring in newcomers but what about for the veteran players? I hope Intelligent Systems can give us something that is not only satisfying but also will have the AI kicking our butts at the same time.
Mario DLC Fire Emblem soldier!
I can see it now.
Maybe by Amiibo support they are referring to a line of Fire Emblem LF Amiibos though. If the game is anywhere near as popular as awakening that could be a great way to cash in on that.
“Since some players may consider it wasteful to use a particular weapon, they may end up not using it at all; at which point it’s as if the weapon doesn’t exist.”
And this is why I ended up playing Awakening using only Bronze pretty much weapons throughout the entire game (until someone got 50+ Luck and Armsthrift). Fun? Not really. But it wasn’t challenging either, as I quickly started to one shot pretty much everyone even with those Bronze weapons, with few exceptions. And that was playing on Hard (Normal).
There really wasn’t much strategy behind the breakage of weapons in Awakening, as you could easily stock up on as many as you needed if you wanted to. But for the sake of economy, I stuck to Bronze because I needed nothing more.
But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to have more fun with stronger weapons. And it sounds like I may be able to do that in FE: If.
Yeah, in earlier games when your convoy could only hold a hundred items, things became thrifty and a bit challenging (none of this 20+ iron/steel/silver/brave swords in stock nonsense)… I suppose the durability system went from being a strategic obstacle to being annoying to being non-existent.
Bronze weapons only? There’s a moderately interesting challenge for my next run (oh the smithing I’ll do…)
Maybe more powerful weapons will be more rare in these new games?
Finally, item durability has become more video-game-like!Not sure if that will be good in the long run, though……..I really think that ‘normal’ weapons should have a durability, while tomes and ‘special’ weapons are unbreakable (come on, how does a tome break from overuse?).Also, I want to see someone Game Over in Phoenix Mode during a normal level. Just because.
AND WAIT YOU CAN’T COMBINE BOWS AND FLYING UNITS!!!
Books fall apart if you don’t take care of them (like reading them in the rain, the wind, the desert, on the road, and in a dirty battlefield). It’s inconceivable for us because we buy books, read’em once or twice inside a warm and dry house… and then put them on a shelf.
Ah, thematic skills sound so cool
I just hope there is an option to make an entire team of just maids and butlers.
You know it’s ironic that one of the butlers is named Joker in more ways than one.
The fixed skills are a really good idea and Gaston eeuh I mean Harold looks awesome
Well good to know they put an end to grinding-for-skills abuse and the potential abuse of male galeforce users. But if levels don’t reset, exactly how would a person get their 5 additional skills? Well, the way I see it is that if they needed any skills while pre-promoted, they would change their class at level 10?, and while promoted they would change to another promoted class at level 15 (totally forgot what level promoted units get their second skill at). I kind of forgot if this was the case in FE:A, but if you now changed your level 16 Great Knight to a level 16 Paladin, would you still be able to get both the natural and second skill of the Paladin?
ok, parallel seals will maintain the user levels, but how about the skills ?
apparently it will nerf the skills from other branch classes, unless it unlock all early levels skills …
There’s a whole-lot of gender confusion going on with If lol (now with Oboro). Got to blame the fact that a lot of the Hoshido guys like to grow out their hair.
Finally, arrogance is a good thing!
Can’t wait trying to be a maid myself. (Unless they locked the MU’s classes too, but I don’t think they did.)
Fixed skills… Huh. Kinda want to see this XD
Check out my Fire emblem T-shirt that I’m selling! 🙂
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131523497850?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Make one with just Ike, and the words “I fight for my friends” and I’m sold
🙂 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ike-T-shirt-Super-Smash-Bros-4-Fire-Emblem-small-X-Large-kid-adult-/131517500610?
The fixed skills are PERFECT.
Also, Tsukuyoma . . . a young spellcaster associated with wind? I think we’ve found our Merric archetype character.
Yay new favourite character.
I take it that your max stats are lower than in Awakening since we are now back to a maximum of 20/20 levels. I love that characters have their own unique skill that will make them stand out more and it would give you incentive to use some characters over others.
So; We cant downgrade levels..? I smell alot of soft resets because [X character] only got +1 during the level up instead of +8!
You probably can, but they haven’t confirmed it yet. There’s a suspicious quote in the magazine that says you can “class change as many times as you want!”. Which… could be referring to the Parallel Seal, I guess. So who knows? XD
Alright, now here’s the main question. Where is that beautiful Awakening Avatar focused I-can-marry-everyone Support system?
Full translations of the summarized Famitsu pages are here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/fire-emblem-if-famitsu-scan-translations-all-52815/
Pretty cool. 😀
I didn’t need to know Harold’s name, I waas always going to refer to him as Captain America
Oh yes, no level reset after class changing means no stupid endless grinding for overpowered units. That’s the best change from Awakening so far.
Some of us liked that. If you don’t, why just not do it?
Because it became pretty much necessary in some of the DLC chapters.
Taking out a mechanic a lot of people enjoy so post-game extras can be more easily accessible seems a little off to me. Or they could have just made said DLC chapters less difficult.
Intelligent Systems, as a follower of the FE series, I regret to inform you that the direction in which you lead now with the unlimited weapon uses category is corrosive. The FE formula is in the makings of achieving complete mastery over the 3DS system as it had was on the Gameboy with FE7 and FE:SS. It is an un-refuted fact that you had mastered the game boy system with those two aforementioned titles and showed the world what it was to craft a game on a limited system, and master a game with story and perfectly resonant mechanics that allowed the story and the game to merge resulting in the most richest interactive visual software experiences ever created inherently within the medium of hardware.
Please take this criticism positively; durabilities is a major concern! Truly, you must know that FE7 and FE8 are the most worshiped titles you’ve ever produced; the evidence of this is in youtube and forums all over the internet that to this day create mods for 7 & SS emulations. People have written all kinds of stories and developed all kinds of MUGS that they employ within the system you’ve created. The community is ripe. Just take a look at cedarnyx’s channel or MarkyJoe’s channel who single handed hosts mod competitions for those games. And one of the primary aspects of this is because people want to relive the experience that you delivered. They want to meet characters like Lynn, Eliwood, Hector, Ephraim and Erika again. They want to beat Ephidel again! Why because the system, the world and characters resonated with their hearts! They found humanity within the Fire Emblem world. You had made it into a reality with tiny clever and intelligent pieces of genius nuggets of code and UI design so well crafted, and weopon DURABILITY was one of those aspects that bound us to that reality! FIre Emblem is a bag full of nuggets of gold. And we don’t want to part with a single pebble. Durabilities is one of those pebbles!
If however, in the course of this argument, we, the fire emblem community have not afforded to convinced you to route this decision. Then we request that at least you let this feature lay to rest in classic mode or have an option to allow it to remain therein, as it, just like the entire system, has become for us an unrivaled poem that enchants us in every visit, with a warm welcome, and so we won’t part with a single word.
Please do not deprive us of that word, we’ve supported you throughout your creative endeavours, now we ask that you support us in kind.
Thank you.
P.S. Also, please include feet.
‘Vantage’ + ‘Deathmatch’ = Me worrying about overpowered skill mixing, again. And ‘Strength Seal’ will do what ‘Defense Seal’ did but reduce 6 Atk I’m guessing. I guess my problem is just Vantage’s balancing in general. Would it need a nerf? I’m just getting worried again, but remember ‘Miracle + Vantage + Vengeance’?
Dragonstone has never had a rank
Not a big fan of lack of Level reset but I imagine tons of people on here will love that you can’t grind characters to infinity.
You imagine correctly. The necessity of grinding to get through Awakening’s DLC almost ruined it for me.
I didn’t buy any of the DLC so for me it was never an issue XD.
This game looks so amazing.
Wow. I don’t know what to say. That video was something else. Hot springs with my boys? Hell yeah. Hot springs with my girls? Kazahana might disagree, but hell yeah. Petting my unit’s faces like pokemon amie? Hell yeah. Cool looking Marth and Ike art? Hell yeah, I am officially insanely hyped for this game, and it’s a damned shame because i have to wait till 2016.
They don’t know how hyped Fire Emblem is in NA.. Alot of JP companies it seems don’t know that their games are hyped..
On a side note, Intelligent systems is really riding on Awakening’s success to push out so many new features into the series. With high expectations, I cannot wait to see what they can come up with.
From what I’ve seen in the past, with manga, anime, and video games, Japan doesn’t really pay attention to what westerners think about their stuff. They appear to be only focused on their own localization, while having it being sold overseas is just a plus for them. Ie: I’ve know Japanese manga writers that don’t care about their stuff being leaked to westerners, put they have zero tolerance with easterners. Highschool of the dead (both anime and manga) surprisingly tanked in Japan, while it was more than welcomed in the west. Even the writer said he as surprised because he didn’t even realize his stuff was so popular in the west.
Reminds of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure where a character says to a mangaka that they want an english translation of their manga to makeit easier for them to read and the mangaka saying that they never translated his manga into english because they didn’t understand his genius. Of course that mangaka was a Jerk version of the author.
Also WataMote and other series have been sometimes catered to the west, but that stopped happening a lot since the economic recession.
The amiibo usage sounds fun….if they actually made them more readily available!
I’d like to hope they get a reprint for this game.
they will reprint them
Good. I’m trying to get Lucina soon. Perhaps get Marth and/or Ike when there’s more of them.
i loved how DLC chars like Marth was so perfectly adapted, its not ridiculous like Awakening ones. I’m hyped into to see Lucina and maybe Lyn ….
Those were amiibo, not DLC. So no Lyn.
i know, but i still can dream about it hahah
Ehh, don’t forget that Fire Emblem Cipher is giving us download codes for Marth, Lucina, and Pegasus Knight Minerva, so don’t say “not DLC” and “no Lyn” just yet.
We don’t know if the download codes are gonna work just like the Amiibo, but I honestly can’t see them being that different, and I don’t imagine them letting us recruit 2 Marths and 2 Lucinas.
I can say not DLC because the footage didnt show DLC, it showed Amiibo. I’m not sating their wont be DLC, just that we dont know if there is if it will work in a similar way. And i doubt the Cipher cards are coming out of Japan. Maybe we’ll get some other codes for the characters they get, but we definitely wont get the cards.
Awakening had a huge roster of dlc characters, all of them poorly made, so MAYBE we can see more characters from other Games in the same quality as Marth, Lucina, Robin and Ike
I hope there will be some special edition new 3DS when the game is released in NA
More characters information was released at the oficial site
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/bfwj/character/index.html
Some translations i made …
Mikoto (cv: Ohara Sayaka)
Hoshido Empress. Peace Loving Queen
Kamui’s real Mother
The next to the throne, after the accidental death of her husband Sumeragi.
Now I am really torn on join nohr because I will now not only be betraying my blood siblings but also my own mother.:'(
Thanks a ton for the translation, dude.
I agree with the other guy, it’s gonna be hard to fight against your mom. Just imagine if you end up having to kill her too.
How much do you want to bet that the “accidental death” was not so “accidental”?
that’s the point, in the PV it seems Sumeragi was killed while protecting Kamui from Nohrian arrows, but we dont know for sure what happened there. Maybe it’s a mistake take Nohr as bad guys …
Or eye for an eye. Maybe the Nohrian queen was killed when Hoshido kidnapped Aqua.
Or perhaps the Nohrian emporer abducted the avatar in retaliation for Aqua’s abduction.
Garon may have launched an attack to retrieve Aqua from the Hoshido and came across Kamui and their father during said attack, thought, “well, in for a penny, in for a pound.” The only two questions that I haven’t seen asked is whether Aqua’s abduction came before or after the avatars, or whether or not either side tried to offer a straight up trade to get their relevant crotch spawn back, because so far it doesn’t look like either even thought of that, but time will tell.
It also occurs to me that someone had to have given the order to abduct her. The king, Sumeragi, or considering Sumeragi bites the dust, that would leave queen Mikoto as the sole culprit, because Ryouma would’ve been too young at the time himself. But this largely depends on whether she was taken before or after the avatar. On the other hand, maybe someone in the Hoshido army got a little too gung-hoe and jacked Aqua from her family as a bonus.
Dat FE-Amie? Stahp, tis is what the waifu sim fans wants!
I do hope those Streetpass options don’t really help you power grind… although it will be fine if it’s 40 levels max per character.
the download of the music doesnt work :
Yes it does, just right click and save file as whatever name you like.
oh nvm thaankksss
Full character profile translations here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/fire-emblem-if-website-character-profile-translations-ongoing/
Full “System” page translations here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/fire-emblem-if-website-system-translation-61/
The one thing I’m not happy about is the amiibo support, since it’s essentially just disc-locked content.
This game honestly feels likes it is getting better and better with each update. I just really hope the map and mission structure in the Nohr version is good, or at the very least better than what Awakening gave us. I kind of prefer these character designs over Awakening, but I’m wondering how much crossover they’ll be as far as who you can recruit. Like, will I be able to recruit Crimson even if I side with Nohr? Even if the campaigns are different, just how varied are the recruitment pools supposed to be. I know some are probably going to be locked into their side as that’s a given.
Also: Oh man, is that the Shenmue menu music I’m hearing? I can very much deal with something that is aesthetically similar to Shenmue’s soundtrack.
I regrettably can’t read Japanese… But I’ll guess what the four Amiibos are saying:
Nailed it.
Alternatively if you translate the characters backwards:
Marth: “You remind me of Kris.”
Ike: “You remind me of Soren.”
Robin: “You remind me of myself.”
Lucina: “You remind me of Robin.”
I approve of the last one.
O̶k̶a̶y̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶
̶g̶u̶y̶’̶s̶ ̶h̶o̶p̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶d̶r̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶’̶s̶
̶H̶e̶a̶d̶C̶a̶n̶o̶n̶™̶!̶!̶!̶
Don’t you worry, headcanon is best canon. (?
Great analysis! At the risk of sounding extremely nitpicky, though, I’m a little bit doubtful about this particular part:
”Here’s something new though that was hinted earlier: In Guard Stance, enemy Attack Stances are automatically negated.”
I guess it could be read that way, but wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to interpret the Japanese text on the website as simply stating that when the gauge has filled up an enemy attack will be completely blocked, including any additional attacks from enemy rear units in attack stance? Rather than negating attack stances altogether?
Glad you enjoyed it.
I guess it can be read either way, but the way they added it as a footnote makes me thing it’s meant to be read separately.
Plus there’s a screenshot where Kamui and Suzukaze are in an Attack Stance against a pair of enemies in a Guard Stance and Suzukaze has no battle stats. So I’m more leaning towards Guard Stance always negating Attack Stance.
It would add a lot more incentive to use Guard Stance too, since players are typically offensively-oriented and may dismiss Guard Stance for not providing follow-up attacks.
I see, I didn’t know about that screenshot! Was it in one of the recent Famitsu issues?
I must agree that your explanation makes a lot of sense from a gameplay perspective. It’d make the choice between the two stances a really interesting one. Come to think of it, it should be interesting to see how how well the AI will be able to use the stances to its advantage.
I had Charlotte pegged for trouble the moment I saw her and simply cannot figure out why that is.
Has there been any word on how we generate dragon vein points in the my castle area? Will it make use of the 3ds coin system? Have to admit that I am looking forward to this game even though we have to wait even longer for it to be released. I am also terribly amused and disgusted by the abhorant reaction of the veterans about the mofu mofu/Pokemon amie function.
Also: ‘accidental’? Hard to call being turned into a human pincushion an ‘accident.’ This only makes me even more suspiciousof the Hoshido. I suspect they jacked Aqua first and Garon retaliated trying to get her back. Only he came across the avatar and their father, killed him and abducted the mc.
ew, i’ll probably kill her along with camilla as soon as i can.
I just want to point out that this is a Japanese game first, so the characters and their designs will probably differ in the NA release, just like Tharja’s portrait from the Awakening DLC.
You mean the ridiculous overreaction to Tharja’s smallest sliver of a buttcrack image and their solution being the curtain? Yet they were quite content to let Nowi fly through the vetting process in her outfit. Yeah, actually I see your point in that regard.
I actually happen to like Camilla due to the whole overprotective big sister persona she’s got going on. Panty armour be damned. I do want to off Luna though. Severa was a character who got on my nerves and I can not deal with that behaviour a second time round.
With Charlotte I am willing to give her a chance. Benoit is going to be funny though. I thought they were siblings or he was her bodyguard or something.
After thinking about it, “untimely death” might be a better and more appropriate translation there ^^
Thank you for telling me, I was a bit confused and very suspicious about the “peaceful queen” calling her husbands death an accident.
that severa tho …
they are rlly messing with my head man …xD
So Luna really is a character that exists, huh.
Well, I’m sure that we will get more info on them. I’m actually surprised that they made Luna look so much like Severa. ._.
Well, Severa was a really popular character… Also, with a really large cast of characters some similar characters can be expected. But yeah, I did not expected that much similarity. I love Kusuke Kozaki’s designs and style, but that is not his best. However, sometimes these kind of things happen because Executive Meddling, and in these projects artists must do what their employers ask. Either way, not that it ruins the game or something, at least not for me.
Style I can agree on. Desgnwise is a whole different issue…
Also, Severa overall isn’t that popular. I believe she placed 23rd in the Japanese vote.
I didn’t say that the style was an excuse.
Oh, yes, you are right. Including all the cast, Severa was not that popular. So, my bets now are that some people in Intelligent Systems like her too much. As I said, it could be a case of just lazy design, but also lets take into account that the artists do not have total control of the designs, most of the time those things are requested or need approval. If they wanted a Severa’s clone, Kusuke Kozaki just did what they said (if that was really the case).
It’s more than that. She has the same voice actress (who is hosting the 25th anniversary concert, FYI).
IS is just pandering to the Awakening fans by making brazen clones of the popular child units, making the roster look bigger.
Pretty likely that she was planned like that since the beginning. However, lets wait for the entire rooster, if it is bigger than past Fire Emblems, a few clones would not be that much of an issue. But, if is not that big and there are a lot of clones, that would be lame.
…We’re discussing roster size and clones.
Yay. We’re the new Smash Bros. fandom.
Well, in my case this is not that important. Tactical RPG are my favorite kind of games. I am interested in the game as a whole, but the mechanics and the missions are my priority. Hehe, it seems that we are not going anywhere with this discussion. Lets end here.
Well, Severa is Selena in Japan but her name was changed in North America so she wouldn’t be confused with the character from Sacred Stones. Selena is a name relating to the moon, as is Luna. They both share the same class, and the same voice actor… this is definitely not coincidence and may be a Camus/Sirius situation minus the mask somehow. Or how Palla/Catria/Est have visited other nations together. Many of the children in Awakening implied that they could not go home to their own future but felt uncomfortable being around their parents, knowing their own selves would be born into the world later on. So in a way, knowing there is dimensional travel and a bunch of displaced kids, they go on a journey and end up in places like… this one.
…You do know that it’s been repeatedly stated that FEif has no connections to any previous games in the series, and is the start of a new world?
Tellius and Magvel are also different worlds but the dimensional gates allowed those characters to appear in Awakening… We also have confirmation that Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina appear when you use their amiibos and there are concepts similar to alternate dimensions.
On the off chance that Luna is just an expy of Severa, then whatever, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she is a dimensional gate traveler either.
I definitely think dimensional gates will be a thing for FE series, as a way to connect all the different realms (it’ll just not be pivotal to the story and more DLC-related stuff). I get the feeling it definitely is Severa (Selena) just that she changed her name. Maybe perhaps she’s taking notes from Lucina like when she was pretending to be Marth (lol). FE: Awakening had Priam who is Ike’s son, so if FE: IF will have Cordelia’s (Tiamo in japanese) daughter Severa (Luna in IF), then we might just see a running trend of seeing previous games characters offsprings in the next game. I’m going to ignore the remakes like shadow dragon being the target game for Awakening to pull from, considering Awakening takes place in the same world and is 2000 years later (hell Chrom is Marth’s descendant if you want to nitpick).
The Outrealm Gate was just a way to cram DLC into Awakening. If it becomes canon, then we’ve delved into the level of bad fanfiction.
The outrealms, currently, are non-canon and hopefully stay that way.
must buy Hoshido and Nohr to get all the waifu
Need third path too as I’m sure it’ll have unique characters too.
I want an Owain look-alike right now.
Yeah, me too… XD
Actually I don’t because that’s not original and it’ll take some of Owain’s Owain-i-ness away from him…
Take it you haven’t seen Odin, then?
This just feels like a lazy way to pad out the character roster, as well as more Awakening pandering.
Now the Fire Emblem community can argue about clones.
I want to see unique characters, not clones.
Luna may just be a case of lazy writing and design. Kazahana’s skill is too much, especially compared to the others here.
This girl is taking no shit from anyone, not from adjacent enemies or Kamui walking in on her while she’s in the bathhouse.
Actually, Kazahana’s personal skill may not be as great as it sounds. Probably it only activates on your turn, and even if the skill applies on either turn, directly adjacent enemies is not something you see that much, especially on normal or easy difficulties.
Yeah, but you can easily guide enemies into being adjacent.
True, true! And there are missions when you have to do it, there it is going to help a lot. But for the rest of the chapters, not that much, unless you play like that. In my case, I don’t stall enemies unless is necessary. My point is that I don’t think is much better than other personal skills. However, some other’s personal skills can become useless at end game, unless these skills change or evolve, that is. This one seems useful from the beginning to the end.
I honestly think its too early to judge whether this skill is good or bad. However, considering now that enemy units can now “pair up,” they are probably revamping enemy AI to act in groups more so than previous FE games. While you might not be dealing massive damage to a lot of units simultaneously, this is still a good skill to counter against enemies units that act as a group. They already mentioned in the Nintendo Direct how you can set your characters in “My Castle” to act in groups or run around solo.
Indeed, is too early. My hopes are that every character is going to be useful. I do not like the idea of having characters with much better abilities than others. Of course, in other hand, the reclassing options and the max stats also could affect how good is an unit. But yeah, we can’t see the whole picture right now.
I hadn’t thought about the enemies’ IA, good point, there would be new things in that aspect.
Dive Bombing. With a tank built unit. Most of the time, I can see people going to use ranged units to reduce an opposing units Hp to near enough while grouped for Kazahana to clear. Taking Ike’s Eruption from Smash and making it a personal. But for now, we’ll have to say it does as great as it sounds.
Well, that requires a specific tactic. And we need to see if Kazahana actually gets more experience by killing enemies that way.
I am just saying this skill could be not that overpowered, especially if you have to use other units to set things like that and make it look cool. It would look cool though.
Any other wrestling fan hearing the summary of Benoit and feeling mixed opinions?
no fox waifu? me no buy
yeah, luna’s a lazy design. you know who else is a lazy design? Danved in radiant dawn! he looks just like devdan from path of radiance. super lazy imo.
and don’t even get me started on them reusing camus like three times in the first three games. Were they sirius with that?
WERE THEY SIRIUS WITH THAT
Fox boy best boy.
I bet Luna… wait for it… will learn Luna. Huh?
Thanks for the updates
I’m definitely going to spend 90% of my game time tweaking and messing around with all these cool features while forgetting to save my country or whatever, lol…
To think there are people who just want to do campaigns. I can understand for like a few games/titles, but to actually want all games in the series to follow FE 7’s/8/everything else except for Awakenings’ formula would be redundant as all hell. I for one (along with the vast majority) welcome these changes that are coming to Fire Emblem. Because with stuff like this, we’re able to learn more little quirks of our characters and have them be more relevant than when compared to how characters in Awakening were treated. There is nothing wrong with getting to know the people in your army, it shows you care as a commander and you aren’t there to just “beat the game”. This game is going to be a god-send in occupying free time….plus if one out of the two copies of IF is going to cost this much, I would would rather get my money’s worth (BTW, having around 25 chapters of campaign is so not worth over$50, hence, all this extra content)
It’s like when they introduced the support system in FE6. I wonder how many people bickered because there was less left up to their f̶r̶e̶a̶k̶’̶d̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ head-canons.
Finally, someone who gets it.
I welcome them bringing in more things to do than just the main campaign like previous games in the series. Not to mention, as you said, this kind of helps other characters be a bit more important.
These are the type of people who are comparable to those who bought pokemon x/y omega/alpha and only wanted to beat it as fast as they can and only doing gyms and the elite four, finishing the game within 3 days. If people just want to play a game for its main point and not explore or take their time, then its their prerogative. But its dumb that the same people will get angry at the fact that new features outside of the main game are added on, when in fact they won’t even bother doing them in the first place.
I really don’t get why most of the hardcore fans (well the more vocal ones) have to be such prudes. I’m as hardcore as the rest of them, playing FE 7 & 8 and then went out of my way to buy&play the Japanese copy of 6. Considering how similar those 3 (and the rest of them) were, I’m glad we have drastic changes.
Yeah, and then those same people would just argue “If they weren’t spending time on My Castle, they could focus more on the main campaign!”
I don’t really like it when some argue that point. It’s as if they’re implying that Intelligent Systems is sacrificing the main campaign for My Castle, when I doubt that’s the case. I’m fully confident that they’re achieving the kind of game they set out to make.
I am so naming my castle The Castle Anthrax! ^_^
And who wouldn’t have a dungeon in their castle? Even if it serves no purpose? I’ll put it right next to Anna’s Secret Shop. *puts index finger to his chin*
All of the above scans are fully translated here:
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/fire-emblem-if-famitsu-scan-translations-all-60415/
Why can’t Nintendo do for this game what they did for Pokemon and just release this title in NA the same time as Japan!?!?!?!? I dont know if I can wait till next year, I NEED THIS GAME ALREADY!!!!!!
Spare a thought for European players who will no doubt have to wait longer than America to get their hands on the game. Awakening came out two months after it was released stateside. The only reason I survived was because I wasn’t interested until I watched US uploaders on YouTube then preordered that shit immediately.
I am so excited for this game! I want to marry either Charlotte or Aqua, they’re both so pretty!
Seems more like they’re fusing FE and Tomodachi Life.
Exactly which of these news was intended for the hardcore fans? It all sounds like stuff the new people will be more happy to learn about.
Oh I don’t know, perhaps it’s for people who want to do more than just the main story, considering previous FE games never offered such an option.
You don’t get exp in my castle, in other words no leveling up in nohr.
why are they putting such a mystery regarding the blue haired maid -.-
my point exactly lmao
Do I smell a traitorous backstabbing maid here…? >_>
inb4 they reveal that both maids were actually one maid to begin with and are now split entities. Joker betrays them, becomes the final boss while the two maids combine to form the final monster.
This game definitely steers towards Awakening fans. Waifu Sim 2.0 now with customization homes, buildings and prisons. I feel a lot less effort went into game’s cores and mechanics.
You say that despite all the times they talked about the additions to the weapon triangle, different handling of weapons, and other such things.
they’re just not talking about core and mechanics because there’s no reason to at all (bar the mechanics that changed). Its a boring subject to even write about in magazines and directs. They’re just getting all the subject-worthy/more talkative stuff out of the way. Because honestly, what would get the public talking more, having a direct where it goes “Oh look….rescue option and weapon weight is back…..wo hooo….” (and literally the conversation ends under a minute) compared to “Fire Emblem is now adding a My Castle Feature along with Fire Emblem Amie” (now that starts conversations).
The same amount of effort most likely went into the gameplay. Zero effort would be this all being one game, and just like awakening or FE7. Though I will admit, the only old mechanic I miss is light magic. Its kind of dumb that it still hasn’t been brought back at this point.
They’re not talking about mechanics because I feel they’re so clouded by how big Awakening was. And reintroducing all the good mechanics isn’t that bad. “Rescue, Weapon Weight, Durability and Light including the magic triangle is back…..wo hooo…..” but really “Now we can explain why this is such a good idea, how this can gear the series to a better future for the genre, to the Awakening/General newcomers why they should start getting to the core construct instead of making billions of forums about what they have in their castle’s and who are they going to marry for the next 3 generations.” People aren’t just seeing all the mechs as a whole. Instead, everyone else rather play dolly in a castle. And their’s plenty of other games for that.
I’m gonna tell something in the god damn island I live the only people I know are fans of Fire Emblem are me and my little brother thanks to Awakening well I actually I was a fan before but that was the first game I manage to get my hands on but I like the Awakenig formula! I can level grid swicht classes around and ship as much as I can. My brother after Awakening began to play the other games and liked them more. So don’t say things like that. People are people some like Awakening style more some not. You can’t make us like other things. And because people like me like to know more about your units in the games and love the My Castle doesn’t make us any different. And I love the fact weapons have no durability because it makes more sense I mean a sword breaking in 50 uses that’s dumb. If you don’t like My Castle don’t use it okay? Do other stuff I mean what’s that compared with the rest of what I’m sure will be an amazing game and didn’t even tried it yet so what do you know? Sorry about this whole rant but honestly you sound like a jerk who thinks people play for waifu/husbandos, ships, etc… That’s insulting to Awakening there’s a lot more to it and it’s fans than that it just happens to be the most talked thing because it’s fun to talk about because all the supports and the children and pair ups make it something people like to talk. I play it for FUN! That’s how it should be! Don’t try to change people! You like that better? Great! Moving on! One more thing that’s insulting to creator who worked harder than most to make these games they are trying to make them more entertaining and more modern just try to give people a chance. If I offended you in any way I’m sorry I’m just done with how certain older fans of FE act towards Awakening fans because they must be new or not like nothing but pairings and waifus/husbandos. So I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
It’s fine. I’m rather ignorant. Good you like what you like. Even if I’d forced beliefs on you. Awakening’s rather a good game. But it’s none of that, it’s not the devs. It’s just the fanbase. I mean, I had no problem with the characters until the fandom just became unpleasant. Look to narrow it down. I can agree to that, even if I thought Awakening was merely decent and not as great as the others. I don’t like where the series path is going down. I just hope it gets better, but with these mixed feelings with FE:If and most being on my bad side, I’m kinda losing it. I’m glad the the series isn’t dead, but I am disappointed.
If you don’t know fe is more about the characters more than stratigic gameplay, because there are a lot of other strategy games out there with or with out story.
Not really. Last time I heard, FE was built on Perma-death. I’m not sure if you’re talking about just Awakening. I’ve been doing both since I got my hands on the first Fire Emblem that came out to the west, but everyone apparently to Awakening fans, they had a hard time to even find a personality in a character to exist if they didn’t do a lot of support from FE7 through 12. Even me, but I still know Lute’s ego is –
[—————————————————————————————–] This big.
I just put the effort in.
Any game can have perm death. Duh dipshit it’s also called losing characters or soldiers, that doesn’t make it less irrelevant. Leave anything else backing up your claim.
Also good to know you only notice one character, but now a days we have the wiki and videos for that. The thing you must know for strategic games is that you must make a casual mode for new comers so that can learn how to play. Ps I’m also talking about fe franchise.
Basically you just don’t like Awakening because of the fandom am I getting this correct? I’m in for the story and mechanics plus from what you said I don’t see how it is any different from the other FE games besides the added features. Please be more elaborate because I’m sure the old FE games had support system and if I remember correctly one of the game had child system. Also, I want to hear how the series can get better from your opinion if there is nothing else they can do I can’t see what the harms in not having the added features.
Correct, but I’ll explain. I don’t like Awakening for many reasons (not for some of the things it gets right), the fandom takes the majority. People saying they’re Fire Emblem fans when they won’t give any older FE’s a chance, nor touch the Classic mode with 15 foot pole is one of them. But I can accept not everyone is going to try.
Another is when Awakening fans are biased and said that FE:A is the best in every way, e.g. I heard a story, someone was making poll questions with things like “Which character in the series best exemplifies the Dark Mage?” It gave a link to the poll site and had comments, full of weather Nergal or some other guy is better, but in the poll, Tharja was winning by a major amount and not a comment justified for her. Then poll was taken down cause it was pointless.
That obsessive ‘waifu’ fandom. I hear it commonly. I do like the anime art styles, and I don’t have a massive thing against the marriage system as it did bring good mechanics as it was used for, but the fandom taking advantage over the whole thing and the game even complete it with characters blushing. I have trust issues in the anime community. The previous game with a marriage system didn’t encourage and pander to the waifu crowd. See?
How the series could get better on my behalf. If I made FE:A, well… FE would probably die. Changing the common harassed things on Awakening would be a start, better story (maybe more darker), not as cliche characters like FE:A (Maybe add better artsyles that makes sense instead of having, the difficulty on Easy could be Casual mode, but Normal and higher would probably force them to play Classic while adding more mechanics the higher the difficulty (Normal: Weapon Durance, Hard: Magic Triangle, Weight, and etc), stronger maps, victory conditions, ability/Pair-Up nerfs and a lot of advertisement?
I know how much IS is formed around the getting newcomers to play while trying to keep the older and serious fans interested. Hence the whole White and Black Kingdom differences, but they can be better ways of warming a Casual player to start playing in Classics. Yet, taking out Weapon Endurance and etc, all I see is another Awakening game. I think about it, and I don’t like being like this biased FE character for all we know, I could be a scrub, but if I can accept that Awakening can save the series, I would at least like people to accept me.
It’s ok you people almost drove the series to death so I doubt they’d care about losing you. You people never brought them money anyway.
Mate, you okay there?
1. Fire Emblem was ‘C’ grade in Nintendo. The money was difficult to obtain either way. Remember why 12 didn’t sell and IS announced one more for the series. Not my fault since it wasn’t released in the west anyway.
2. If they didn’t care, explain Black Kingdom.
Wait for the sales in Japan. If Nohr flops, bye bye nostalgia freaks.
Massive hype, Waifu fandom getting two sets of characters, two games w/different stories? Nice b8, m8.
More like testing the waters to see if the hardcore fans are worth the time and effort. If it tanks go forth with the Awakening fandom since it brings in the money and less salt. Despite the advertised hardcore “Nohr” they still have to pander to Awakening fandom and hope it gets numbers close to Hoshido version.
Sorry for the extra comment, but I need to ask: what unpleasantness are you talking about? The only fans I’ve seen behave disgracefully so far has been the veterans who have a problem with the new additions and are busy attacking the newcomers, which is getting a bit ridiculous really. So I am genuinely curious.
I disagree. I’m not really into a lot of the Street Pass, face-touching, waifu stuff either. But from what we’ve seen, a lot of thought has gone into modifying how the class change works, how the skills work, how the weapons work; plus a version dedicated to having more difficult maps and more interesting mission objectives. I do think they are improving things all around.
I guess. And I could be biased, but hearing one side of the Fire Emblem fandom talk about touching face more than the main game in general concerns me on where IS is leaning the franchise.
On that, I am with you 100%. I personally would rather they didn’t add that. But I’m happy about some of the adjustments I’ve heard about.
This will probably come across as salty, though that is not my intention. It needs to be said however:
What else do they have to talk about? The maps they don’t know a thing about? The sparse few classes that have been revealed? The weapon system that has already been talked about and isn’t really something someone can discuss about in depth until they get their hands on the game? The characters are the only thing they can talk about without getting bored.
Players like yourself are all so quick to judge the side of the fandom that are genuinely interested in the characters and their motivations that you will sling any old accusation at them. Yet, if it weren’t for Awakening, the franchise would be gone. Worse, your accusations of the game becoming a ‘waifu simulator’ shows that you have no respect for the creators by degrading and insulting all the effort the creators went to in order to make the characters interesting and relevant in regards to the story instead of making them boring cardboard cutouts whose only purpose is to soak up damage. The extra mechanics are to keep things fresh and interesting.
Those same fans you insult are also generating more interest in the game through their fan art, fan fiction and posts. While the behaviour and comments of players like yourself is likely to drive new players away. So who exactly is hurting the franchise more?
They haven’t skimped on the maps, weapons, classes, etc, so what exactly is the problem here? You seem to be angry that a portion of the fandom is actually enjoying themselves. I find the face petting mechanic funny as hell because it’s not something I would’ve expected and think it was meant just for that-fun. It also means that you can annoy any unit that gets on your nerves as payback. Yes, it is weird, but it’s that same weirdness that will entertain plenty of players.
Essentially what you just said. To add on about the boring cardboard cut outs. Some don’t realize how stale some of these games were. Like the two flops of a DS games where only the main cast actually had a voice in the story. Any other side character was generic or barely talked outside of being recruited (hell, their epilogues were boring too and generic). FE 6 and 7 suffered less from this, but still I found it rather hard to care for some of my units as the game progressed and barely touched them after recruitment (Like the only reason why I kept Batre around was just so I could get Karla). FE 8 kind of softened this by adding the outerworld map, so you would be able to play with all your units even after the game and get their supports in. While I still criticize Awakening’s support system with letting every opposite gender unit support with each other (bar the select few) to the point where things become generic/badly written, Awakening still managed to surpass all previous titles when it came to its character interactions and given you a reason to train and strengthen all of your units. The prude-veterans honestly at this point need to accept Awakening as a game that saved their franchise and just roll with it, or just drop the series all together. Because if they do manage to create another FE down the line, I don’t see it reverting back to the classics like 7.
We can accept it saved the franchise, or maybe completely created a new, “Better Child” (Kill me, I know) but that won’t change us from loving what made Fire Emblem so great. And we have 12 games proved the best of Fire Emblem. Condemn me, I don’t care.
New FE generation has come. Get over it or leave we have a boat.
Thank you and I fully agree.
The thing is, it is the best way to get the player to actually care about their units. Give soldiers a personality and screen time and I guarentee the player will expend more effort to keep them alive. It’s an added incentive that works extremely well. How the veterans fail to see this is beyond me.
Then you are wrong about how they didn’t put enough effort into the game mechanics right? I think you should be less clouded about the fans and just play the damn game when it is out then we as a community will accept your opinion because I’m sure IS is definitely trying to attract both old and new FE fans.
As someone who likes his games to last quite a while after the main story is finished (be it in the form of MP, extras, etc.) and likes to immerse in games, this feature is like a Godsend. Sure, the ‘Amie-thing’ is quite silly and somewhat unnecessary (this comes from someone who NEVER used Pokemon Amie back in X/Y or ORAS), but it will be fun to try this time around. I actually can’t wait to 2016 for the american release, kind of makes me want to stop coming to this site to spoil myself.
I am just hoping no matter the support system that there is some beyond implied gayness. I just need like my ability to be gay and two people into men and two into woman.
I’m glad you’re trying.
Yeah, it’s basically why I’m biased. Other reasons like the “cliche characters, boring maps, bad written everything, overpowered units, too easy unless it’s above Hard blah blah”, but that’s been said and done before, but it can be improved. It’s just the fandom.
Are we going to get lookalikes for all the children in Awakening? Because it certainly looks that way now, thanks to Luna and this Inigo-expy. Perhaps these are the “callbacks to Awakening” they referred to?
Maybe we’ll get a Fox Spirit Yarn ?
“DON’T MESS WITH A KIT!!!”
There is such thing in the game called phantom cards were you can summon all old characters from old fe games so all the fe cast comes back but only as ghosts.
Oh. So it was lazy character design that inspired Luna. That’s just unfortunate. I’m really hoping to find out more about Crimson soon and I really wish they’d go ahead and state how much recruitment crossover there is between the games.
Of the 30 characters with official profiles, only 5 of them are available in both campaigns: Gunter, Felicia, Joker, Suzukaze and Cyrus.
Thanks. Where’s the link confirming this, though? It’s not that I don’t believe you I just want to check it out for myself.
It said so in the wiki, website, and famistu. Are you really that useless and lazy on getting the info?
Link or hush.
Are you seriously going to criticize others for laziness when you’re too lazy to check on this very website’s page for Fire Emblem: if characters?
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-if/characters/
Knock yourself out, lazy bum.
Yes, I am.
At this stage you shouldn’t really respond to them (if this long thread is any indication). I mean if they’re too lazy to look it up themselves even after a Mod tells them the answer then there’s no point. This is what I would like to call “A base” person, and not the good kind.
Thanks for the advice, but I think I’ll be fine.
Easy type in site that’s easy for you like wiki or check the link to the Japan’s site here. Again duh
Are you not including Aqua in that list?
If, Luna ends up being a “tsunderish” girl with inferiority complex over her mother, and the ingo look-alike is a “closet dancer”, i’ll agree with you, but so far, it seems Luna is more of the kind that compeeting for recognition of their superiors with it’s peers, so that’s maybe the “callback to awakening” like JohnWaluigui mentioned.
Their design is what I called lazy, not their personality.
You said character design, personality is included in the character, which lead to my reply, also, while i know that you must set your mind in doing it so this can happen, but you can finish awakening without ever meeting any of the “children” (besids Lucina). Stupid reason to do that, but i have heard worse before.
The design is typically just used for how a character looks or will look.
You can finish a bunch of Fire Emblem games without meeting a bunch of characters, but that doesn’t mean they were placed in sequels just because they could be missed.
Actually in this game you can unlock phantom cards that can be summon from previous titles and they have the same looks and personality but they are still ghosts.
As for Luna she is also voiced by the same jp voice actor that voiced severa so that means it’s a call back for awakening, another dimensions, or it’s running joke until for dlc. Duh
You see, what you all keep calling a callback, I see as laziness and a really poor joke.
If some one reuses a character and it’s voice actor means a call back from previous games I’ve If I’m correct developers did this before, besides severa is one of the few top characters people voted for in Japan. Duh again dumbass
Nope. That’s called being lazy and rehashing what you’ve done before.
I don’t really see how this apparent “laziness” is any different from the commonly used and repeated Fire Emblem archetypes and the way they tend to base new lords off of features that made older lords popular.
Using something as a base is not the same as copying and pasting exact ideas you had in the very last game you released.
Like I said they did on purpose, not copy paste. Also you do realize the fire emblem franchise reuses the same roles right dancer and lord blue hair right?
“Like I said they did on purpose, not copy paste.”
-headdesk + repeat-
Do you even understand what saying or are you going to deny and repeat the same thing? Because I have to say copy paste my comment as a counter argument is pretty lazy especially of a guy who can’t check for him Self.
I’m just waiting for a counter argument that amounts to more than “It’s lazy but I don’t care because I like it!”
First off “not” And second I don’t care about it , I just want to let you know your argument is wrong. Also it’s fanservice , now what else do you have in store for your counter argument? 🙂
“It’s wrong because it’s wrong.”
It’s wrong because you misunderstood the reason of it and called out lazy too easily. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat and copy?
I just realized that samsneeze is essentially calling it lazy . . . out of laziness.
I didn’t misunderstand anything. Making a character visually similar to the extent that they have is something I think is stupendously lazy.
See you did it again, it’s not lazy because when there’s a good reason for it. Like I said for you missunderstood the reason behind, besides you’ve seen all other characters they created so it’s pretty much ok say they know what they’re doing isn’t lazy. Now again do you have anything better or are you going to repeat the same thing with out any understanding?
“there’s a good reason for it.”
Here’s the thing. I don’t think that’s a good reason for it. That’s the key that you keep missing.
Actually it is a good reason when you’re doing it for fans, besides like said before there is a magority of character that are acuatally different characters in the game so that it’s not a lazy idea and that’s the key meaning of what you’re not getting kid.
Elaborate. Explain the difference between having a character similar to Severa and having any of these:
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype
A lot of the characters have strikingly similar designs to others of their archetype, especially Cain and Abel pairs, but you’re not complaining about them. You know what else? If isn’t out yet. You know next to nothing about how this character will develop in the story. Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.
I’d like to see you present an argument beyond “they ‘reused’ this character and I don’t like that even though they’ve ‘reused’ characters before and I’ve been fine with that”, simply because you say the archetypes are just using “a base” even though they aren’t necessarily much less similar too each other than Luna is to Severa, and you aren’t even in a position to say Severa is Luna considering you haven’t read a single support conversation featuring Luna.
Please, be consistent. I can’t stand hypocrites.
When have I said that I was okay with them reusing characters before when they did it in previous games? Go ahead, I’ll wait.
The archetype page you listed was more about how characters class and growth rates are similar, not how the characters behave the same way, which they typically do not, and is something I never said they do. The characters’ designs are all visually distinguishable from one another unlike the Severa and Luna case who could be twins.
“Being in the same class, having hair the same color and style, and
having a similar expression and demeanor do not make them the same character.”
No, but it’s still lazy as hell to design a character that way. Anyway going back to what I originally said about all of this before you all started freaking out because someone doesn’t like something:
“Their design is what I called lazy, not their personality.”
Although you didn’t say you didn’t have a problem, you . . . are a Fire Emblem fan, and the archetypes are a pretty major part of the series. Saying that you think archetypes are too lazy is kind of like saying you think permanent deaths are too difficult or neon-colored hair is too unrealistic or that Anna shouldn’t appear anymore. I was under the impression that Fire Emblem fans generally like the things that make Fire Emblem Fire Emblem.
Additionally, many archetypes do have similar personalities and characterization. The Cain and Abel are made up of one hot-blooded and one even-tempered member, without fail. Camus is always an anti-villain reluctant to fight against the player but tragically has to be defeated anyway. The main lord tends to be a rather naive and innocent young royal, who matures some after the death of the Cornelius forces him (or occasionally her) to toughen up. The Nabarl is often pretty aloof if not outright antisocial and has some sort of complications involving romance in their past. The Michalis is defined by their ambitious nature and willingness to do anything for power. The Minerva is kind and polite, but often struggles with doing the right thing because she’s fighting against her own country/family. The Hardin is a noble person who ends up making a tragic face heel turn and has to be defeated by former friends.
I did not just list stats and growth rates. I listed traits of characterization.
If all you’re complaining about is the fact that the characters look similar, then I honestly don’t know why you felt it necessary to mention. A character’s depth is a lot more important than their sprite, and frankly, I can tell them apart effortlessly. Making a character look similar is a visual shorthand for saying “look, this is going to be a similar character”, which is why they have one red and one green cavalier with opposing personalities, why they gave Ike Hector’s hair, why they gave this character Severa’s frown and red pigtails, and why I can’t tell right away if I’m looking at a sprite of Roy or his father Eliwood. Making characters look like other characters is a useful writing tool, or trope, which you can read all about here:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy
They were well aware of the connotations of having a character that looked like and had the same voice actor as Severa, and they made the conscious decision to do it anyway. That’s not laziness. It required some thought and some research. These artists know what they’re doing; you don’t. Have a little faith in Intelligent Systems, please.
Also, I’m not “freaking out” because you “don’t like something”. I’m quite calm right now. I’m writing long replies because . . . that’s how I think, and that’s how I like to talk, and because you can’t interrupt me; I’m taking advantage of the fact that we’re communicating online and giving you all the evidence I can. As for why I’m replying in the first place . . . I really feel strongly about unfairness and I really respect Intelligent Systems and the development team, and you called them lazy when they’ve been working so hard to please the most unpleasable fanbase I’ve ever witnessed. It’s okay for you to not like something, but you’ve insulted these people and your viewpoint isn’t really standing on anything. That’s really mean. A lot of people in this fanbase seem to be pretty mean, unfortunately . . .
It’s not when it’s done on purpose, wow so you’re going to play denial and ignorant? You’re really not that smart aren’t you, because not knowing the difference between lazy and on purpose really shows that you’re going to be easy and fun to play with.
Duh dumbass. 😉
That’s still lazy even if it’s done on purpose. Rather than come up with something new, they reuse an idea because it was popular before.
That doesn’t count as lazy, see that what I’m taking about denial. They did because she was a voted popular character, in other words a call back for fans of her. Do you have anything better to reply with?
Nothing aside from that reasoning being kind of dumb and lazy.
Yes because you know much from the mind of a developer, japan, and the meaning of lazy. Have anything else to back you up on this instead of saying it? XD
Well, Severa was considered 7th best female on the character poll’s official site. But I do think Inigo was 6th best male, so that could be the reason why for the Inigo-alike. Doesn’t make sense since Owain hit 2nd best male. So why an Inigo’s look alike was chosen and not Owain could be laziness, or the fact that Owain is so good, you can’t replace/copy that. We can’t be entirely sure until an FE14 interview. Please stop bashing each other.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
…
dang im jealous all the girls in this have six packs o.0
So we have a blonde fox boy, a pink haired girl named Sakura, and a dark hired girl names Hinata… Subtle.
It just occurred to me to ask, but will Fire Emblem If be compatible with the current 3DS XL? I really don’t want to have to buy the ‘new’ 3DS XL if I can avoid it.
Also, I am wondering about the inclusion of the Awakening kids in the campaign. Was Severa really that popular to be included in this as a ‘new character’? Because it didn’t seem that way to me. I also happen to dislike her so my bias may be colouring my perception, but I don’t recall many people calling her anything but bratty. Inigo I can understand, but Severa? (I swear to effin’ God if this touchpad autocorrects Inigo to Indigo one more time-) was Severa popular overseas?
Yeah, Severa was more popular in Japan . . . her supports did a better job of emphasizing that she was well-intentioned and kind, I think.
I mean I actually liked Severa but to answer your question she, BEHIND Lucina, was voted as the best second generation female character in the Japanese polls. I cant really say im mad that there basically putting her back in as a new character but i also don’t think its nessecary to have her and this “Inigo” like guy in the game.
it’s compatible with the original 3ds models, yes
Since the box doesn’t says “New Nintendo 3DS” like the Xenoblade one , i guess the will be compatible with any 3DS.
Here are the results of the popularity contest in japan
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/kakusei_bk/kekka/index.html
I was reluctant to acceptem, but it seem (at least with Luna so far) that they will have different personalities, i guess they are fine to bring them again, since i didn’t recruit all of the children in Awakening… but i’ll be sad if Kjelle is a femnazi again.
Firstly, I will say that all of the reveals for these characters are great. I’m hoping we see some more laguz/bestial unit types(varying genders, please).
Additionally, for the clone-crying argument, Severa has a few things going for her in terms of her appearance in this game; different world/universe or not.
Dimensional gates/time travel -are- a thing. How else would the children have gotten to Awakening’s timeline?
There were an overwhelming amount of complaints with regard to not being able to get her with red hair like her mother’s, too. Granted that’s a ridiculous reason to put her in If, but still. Like any other Fire Emblem game… You don’t even have to use her, or talk to her.
Either way, she’s just one character out of an entire cast (many of which I adore, design-wise, on both paths). I didn’t love her in Awakening, but I didn’t hate her either. I will say that I could relate to her on account of the “pressure of living under a parent’s shadow” backstory hook.
Two rules about people called Zero;
1. They’re always cool.
2. If I’m wrong, refer to rule 1.
…You mean they are huge and lame Mary Sues?
“u mad?”
You must not play competitive Smash.
ZeRo isn’t Zero. Shush.
Or they’re this guy. In which case they’re just a jerk preventing a time paradox.
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg93/Muzzae/999/Zero2.jpg
Ingo and Owain theories in 3 … 2 … 1 …
i was starting to melt waiting for leaks xD
Gonna be honest here… not too happy with the personalities for another three characters being essentially the same as children characters from Awakening. At least if Pieri isn’t a total wimp outside of her violent episodes, I guess that could work, but it’s not really indicative of hard work on IS’s part. I mean, Awakening only came out a few years ago… at least use a game that’s older or be more subtle about it.
Still can’t wait for the game to come out otherwise, though.
We need a new Ilyana.
Well, ideally I would just have original or at least new concepts…
Oh no! three characters who haven’t had dialogue and I’m already whining wahhhhh!!!>you
Well too bad, the Japanese players love it so they come first.
I guess that’s fair. I usually keep in mind that Intelligent Systems and Nintendo primarily produce for a Japanese audience, so they’ll mostly if not entirely cater to those demands. For me personally, there’s not really any added value, but I’ll see how they end up. *shrug* Like I said, I’m still getting the game. I’m still excited, just not equally excited for all characters and aspects. I think that’s reasonable.
I doubt this is anything smart I bet the designer just sucks at his job. I can’t believe they only thought of this guy when honestly awakening didn’t have the best character design. I’m a massive awakening fan too, I’d say it’s my fav game in the series but character design wasn’t perfect for sure.
What a character designer draws is based on specific instructions from their directors – the character’s personality and a general idea what they may look like. They then draw drafts and submit them for feedback. If the drawings are approved, they are used in the game. These designs are as planned and deliberate as Marx and Ryouma’s designs. There is a reason they look the way they do.
Thank you! Finally some says something reasonable about it!
I assume they were told to make AWakening clones of popular characters as it could help Nohr sales.
I wouldn’t doubt that, that makes sense. Since white version is obviously the version awakening fans should be buying they need a hook to get them to spend money on the same game.
Just will say there are so many things wrong with that statement as that’s not how the character design process actually works.
Oh shut the fuck up already. They are popular voted characters so of course it’s called fan service.
Lol, I love the characters but do we really need clones of them. Hell could have just thrown them in as spot pass or DLC characters. It just shows how they are likely saving money on their budget by reusing models from awakening.
Using Spot Pass would save money on their budget. Drawing a redesign to have them as Nohr characters costs money. Writing entirely new support conversations to flesh them out as characters in this game costs money. The developers put time, effort and money into inserting these characters special into FE:if, and they did it for the fans who adore these characters.
Not really since Odin a dark mage plus the face and foot model looks better in IF compare to Awakening so you can’t say they use the same model. Plus I think they got some sort of reason for having these clones that may be plot relevant. Also, the clones you mention are from Nohr side I don’t know if you can recruit them in Hoshido but yea.
PS. Saving money by reusing model sounds good but I think the DLC would solve that problem already with having to buy either or both FE IF gams.
1: if they put it on street pass then the only difference is they would be abated scraps.
2: they put them in there for fanservice.
3: how’s a budget make it any different.
Duh dumbass.
People have already explained why the idea that it was not on purpose makes no sense but the character descriptions should tell you that it was deliberate anyway – they basically describe Inigo and Owain to a T. This was done deliberately, not accidentally or because someone is too lazy to design new characters. Whether you like that or not is another thing but this wasn’t a coincidence.
all around me are familiar faces…….. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Please Im hoping they’re just descendants arg. Im cool if im that Odin guys great great grandpa or wutever but if not thats just laziness.
It’s because they were voted popular characters in japan. Also in fire emblem there are different worlds in the out realm gate.
I bet you 3rd path DLC is in the code too because this game was obviously early on in development just intended to be massive but then someone said “make that money split it up. “
They are but aren’t selling us the same game three times. It’s kind of frustrating to think about.
Yah they are, no new animations or new models outside of cut scenes. It’s all in the code of the game, on the enemy lines and all that. I’m still holding onto hope that in the west like the special edition they will just put everything onto one cart.
Welp, I finally am starting to warm up to this game. As a decade+ long fan of series, all I had to do was drop my expectations for this game to absolute zero. I’m not really excited for it nor do I think it’ll be as great as pre-Shadow Dragon games were as a Fire Emblem game. But as a mobile-generation-friendly game, it’ll be a cute game to play satisfy the anime nerd in me.
“When equipped with a forged weapon whose name is written with 8 kanji, critical rate +10.” interesting… does this mean any random kanji characters will do? and i wonder how will this translate to the international versions….
A weapon with 13+ characters?
Darn. For a second there, I was hoping the capture feature was gonna be the method of recruiting characters from the other team.
Umm…That’s exactly what was said, wtf?
“Captured enemies can then be recruited to your army by successfully scouting them with resources or by persuading them.”
IMO it would have been amusing if they all had polar opposite personalities as the children they’re based off of. If they told Yusuke to do this then it’s not his fault. But if this was all Yusuke’s idea then they should have gotten someone else to do the designs (or at least someone to oversee him) So I won’t give him any flack until I know what’s going on (though things usually point to the former than the latter, as in they tell Yusuke what to do. Because seriously, designers don’t just run out of character ideas. If that’s the case then they draw ideas from other characters that aren’t from their work, they don’t just reuse their own designs unless they’re made to…or they’re like the vast population of Deviantart (or they’re just completely full of themselves and just lazy beyond belief….and I doubt Yusuke goes into that category)
???
I see what you’re getting at but I need words
This is not something new. Nor is it the worst case. Fire Emblem games have dozens of examples of reusing desings.
I’ve been around the franchise since 6, what you’re saying isn’t new to me.
wow look at you and how cool you are. no one cares how long you’ve been in the fandom
So I originally gave you this long ass response but then I realized….you’re an anon. You didn’t even set up your account….so yeah, you don’t even care enough to get notifications about this to respond back (unless I’m confusing it with guest accounts). I really don’t need to explain myself to you. If you’re dumb enough to think I was gloating with my previous statement, you are horribly wrong.
Oh well… two units that i might not use…
finally… another update lol, i waited about 4 days, which is about 96 hours, which is about 5760 minutes, which is about 345600 seconds… lol. But man, the capture thing is pretty cool.
If i can capture revenants and the like, i’m sold!
If Pieri is based on Noire, then that debunks the whole Awakening popularity poll idea.
Well, Pieri doesn’t look like a direct clone like Luna and the others, and FE is no stranger to characters having overlapping quirks. We’ve seen countless different characters who are all flirts (Sain, Virion, Gatrie) and characters who are young but don’t want to be babied (Rolf, Ricken, Tsukuyomi). Split personality could be a rising new archetype.
That’s true as well. I had actually not looked at the picture of Pieri prior to my previous comment, and I assumed that Lazwald was the only one of the three to have an actual picture.
These Awakenibg lookalikes look interesting,but most people are gonna complain at the sight if anything similar to Awakening,too bad most FE fans are whiners who hate progress and anything new! Anyway, I’m loving these character designs! I think Kozaki is FE at this point! He’s the best artist they’ve ever had!
I’m just worried because (like Awakening before it) with these lookalikes and amiibos, all I’m going to be concerned about is getting the previous games’ characters…. which kind of sucks for the new story.
But then again, maybe not…
Are you saying that reused character designs and personalities are progress/anything new
They’re not
That capture function is freaking awesome. My dungeon will be overfull!! ^_^
Owain was my favorite character in FEA but it was his uniqueness that made half his awesome… now he gets a ^%@#%* clone.
Of course, if it really turns out that the three are actually the same three from FEA, modestly reclassed with the help of some Second Seals and also after a jaunt through the Outrealm Gate, ala Camus/Zeke/Sirius, then I’d be all for it (not entirely happy because that’s still lazy writing to keep the “public” “happy” but still better than making up a soulless clone)…
…And thus, another FanFiction is born! Also, some head-canon but that goes without saying. Hey, we all need intricate ways to stomach the post-shark-jump games. 😉
P̶i̶e̶r̶i̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶d̶i̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶r̶e̶h̶a̶s̶h̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶r̶c̶h̶i̶t̶y̶p̶e̶.̶
Well of course they’re going to make copies because they’re popular in japan.
Who is Zero? Does anyone have a description or a profile for him??
Zero ?
this one xD ?
I’d just like to point out the fact that at the end of Awakening, if Severa, Owain, and Inigo are NOT married, they ALL set off on their own journies. They no longer stay in Ylisse/Altea. So, it is quite possible that their journies all led to the same place and they all ended up working for Nohr. Maybe they’ll have support conversations together that hint at them knowing each other.
Or it’s just a way to get the newer players to buy the Nohr side, because newcomers to a franchise tend to gravitate towards game where they see familiarity. Either way, I’m a little miffed that they’re doing this, but I doubt it’ll affect the gameplay or story that much.
Also, why is everyone comparing Pieri to Noire. In her screenshot, she seems to be quite a cheerful person. It might be that on the battlefield, she becomes downright murderous. Not insane, note the wording. It’s “violent.” Which means that she could be the type that snaps into a “drill sergeant” sort of person on the field, and downright obliterates enemies.
Just my two cents on the matter.
Hopefully I’m remembering this correctly, but in one of the earlier interviews it was said that If is in another setting entirely/not the same world as Awakening. If we are talking coincidence it may just be an AU, but it isn’t the same world. I’ll see if I can find the link again and post back. May take a while as my laptop is getting its hard drive replaced, so I will try to find it manually.
Different worlds are moot point since the Outrealm Gates exists. In fact I’m almost certain these three are just the beta timeline kids who went adventuring through the Gate after Awakening.
What if they’re the kids from the main timeline and because they knew what the names of their kids was going to be from Lucina’s timeline they decided to name them something else?
I don’t mind the look-alike characters so long as they’re enjoyable to use. The roster is going to be huge regardless anyway.
I feel like the blue lining around the steps points to a sort of tile-based movement scheme. You know, in reference to Fire Emblem.
I don’t know if this is an SMT thing, but in the new screenshot the clouds in the sky are being held up by ropes/cables/etc. Maybe it’s a play since we know that school is involved…
Come on. At least Pieri’s a unique character. Why are people trying to peg her as something else?
I’m definitely miffed at the 3 clones we’ve got; looks like 3 Uriah gambits, now.
lol i get the whole argument of “Their not original,” and blah blah but can someone explain to me how this is lazy character designing… honestly we don’t know the reasons for why they were put in the game… it could’ve been just to pay homage to the top ranked kids from Awakening. How does that make you lazy? Like everyone is complaining over 3 characters and we have yet to see how they even play out in regards to the plot…
So out of all of this there’s only one thing I care about….Odin has a pretty good bod for a Dark Mage and he wears an open-chest shirt. At this point I hope his official art has him wearing those spandex legging things for dem leg muscles.
Seems so much like SMT4 for 3DS. i mean, it is in HD but seems almost the same.
Hello. I apologize if someone already brought this up, and I missed it. Just the three of the four main characters have a color in their names, correct? Does anybody else think the color is correlated to the Four Mythic Beasts in mythology? You know: Red Phoenix, Blue Dragon, White Tiger, Black Turtle? Maybe. Or maybe it’s just me. Thank you.
I SERIOUSLY need to stop spoiling myself. Can’t wait to 2016, hopefully the american version is both campaings in 1 cartridge, but my hopes are slowly falling to the shadow realm…
I’m going to be too busy petting the wolf-guy (he dresses pretty snazzy if that image is any indication) than doing other stuff quite honestly. I am curious about that puppeteer class though with what weapons they use.
just a question is this the famitsu leak ?
no
ty mate 😀
Well, I like the fact they’re going all out with the minerals. My my FE, you’ve grown up exceptionally well since when I first played you years ago….wait. I guess I can’t say that because apparently to a certain someone I’m being conceited.
Man. This seems so much different from any other FE game. More like a regular RPG. Not that it’s a bad thing. The main battles are still FE, and the Castle adds a whole new level of awesome. Makes the game different and more fun.
I wonder if instead of talking to named enemies in battle to get them to join your side, as in previous games, maybe you have to capture them? I suppose it’s more a throwback to FE5 than it is a new broadening of detail. It does make way more sense than “Hey, you look mopey. Why don’t you join our side? We have cookies. ^_^ “
guaranteed, this is going to be one of the ways to recruit certain characters.
humm what about the 7 new character profiles ??
Well. only 1 was new – Zero.
Others are – Pieri, Lazward, Odin, Orochi, Charlotte, Benoit.
Info on 3 of them was covered here
https://serenesforest.net/2015/06/09/fire-emblem-famitsu-11th-june-leak-familiar-faces/
Others – on main website (also, translated long time ago, too lazy to find it)
i knew all that already but ty anyway ^^ i think i just hoped for new ones like the blue haired maid xD or the ones in the trailer that we dont know about
There is always next week. Or maybe 2.
or maybe til 25 or 26 of june
Actually I think the “weapon” stat is a counter for forges and only so many times a weapon can be forged.
After watching the video.. Skills are locked to classes but.. Going off assumption; Galeforce was locked down to the Pegasus Knight class tree, and from what we’ve seen, Nohr doesn’t have any. would this mean that Nohr Players will not have access to galeforce?
I seriously doubt they will bring back galeforce
They could also make it a character specific skill that’s available to both campaign.
Perhaps the reference to the stars is something that will be explored more in the dlc story, as no matter where we live or who we fight for: we all see the same stars?
The Kanji for Star Dragon can be read as seiryu, and Seiryu is the Azure Dragon of the East.
I was going to buy the face-plates, and had plans to ever since the announcement.
Just realized they aren’t for the XL, and the XL is the only one available to me, and the foreign systems have region lock.
Damn it.
fucking dio brando is going to be in this game
I’m glad to see they’ve implemented the internet to visit other players and castles. Otherwise myself and many others who are not so lucky with the streetpass function would be up shit creek without a paddle. ☺️
This is going to be one hell of a long game and I’m looking forward to its release on this side.
He may not be the best lord in the series, but when it comes to Smash Bros. Roy IS our boy!
So… Nintendo/Sakurai says that they won’t include Chrom because he will be too similar to the already existing FE characters (i. e. Marth and Ike), then they bring back the OG Marth clone. *claps slowly*
I’m not too excited for Roy to be honest, but hopefully they’ll change his moveset entirely. And now that I think about it, MAYBE Chrom might have an appearence as an alt costume for Roy, who knows.
The data in the patch included all of the alt costumes and the B special moves. All of Roy’s costumes are palette swaps and all of his specials are the same as Melee. Just like mewtwo, he isn’t any different. I just hope he has a unique final smash and not the same critical hit as Marth and Lucina.
Oh, that was leaked too? Welp, poor Chrom, maybe next century. Even the specials are the same? Man… hopefully, as you said, he has another Final Smash.
Just saw his Final Smash trophy was leaked too. It has the same health bar as the Critical Hit, but instead of a straightforward lunge it looks more like a big arcing hit.
That would be a reference to his critical hit with the eponymous Binding Blade.
He’s been slightly Luigified.
I always liked Roy in Melee, so I’m really glad they brought him back for 4.
However, it would make more sense if it was, say, Lyn/Hector/Elliwood from Blazing Sword, Binding Blade was never released in the West.
Any of those 3 would have been fine. Considering the fact that Lyn is already in the game as an assist trophy, that leaves Eliwood and Hector.
Oh the fanart that’ll happen now…. lol
At least now Roy and Ike can fight… XD
I wonder if this means Roy will also be an amiibo unit for Fire Emblem if.
Granted, it’ll most likely still be near impossible to get.
Most likely.
ROY’S OUR BOY! ROY’S OUR BOY! ROY’S OUR BOY!
Definitely getting that amiibo. If I could have only one, it’d be that one.
Great….another amiibo for them to be short of stock on.
At least some of us will appreciate where the character comes from…
And that some of us have actually played that game? XD
*pretends to be surprised at the announcement*
Since Roy’s getting amiibos too, does that mean we can look forward to Roy appearing in Fire Emblem If as well….?
Probably an update for the Japanese version; bet compatibility will be shipped with the Western release.
I̶ ̶w̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶D̶L̶C̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶i̶n̶t̶e̶n̶d̶o̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶I̶ ̶d̶u̶n̶n̶o̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶h̶o̶n̶e̶s̶t̶.̶
Our boy got an updated costume. This is great!
Here’s the trailer guys, with no overlays! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbex-SbtF80 (#FireEmblemFates flashes on screen a few times but otherwise, no distractions).
The lyrics sound off and I think Garon is Troy Baker. I’m loving what we see of Aqua. She seems to be quite interesting beyond being a MacGuffin girl.
Garron is actually Travis Willingham same voice as Lon’qu and Brady from Awakening.
Yeah, I realised after posting that that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I still think Troy Baker’s in though, as Ryouma or Marx – I thought it was the latter but now I’m hearing Roger Craig Smith, which is strange since he hasn’t done any Japanese games before this to the best of my memory.
Matt Mercer is Ryouma. I’m 99% sure.
Don’t you mean Marx (no, I will not call him Xander)?
I’m also fairly certain Takumi was Ben Diskin.
(can’t get used to ‘Xander’, too. Why didn’t they make him Marcus or Max or idk…why Xander)
Nope, at first I thought it was Marx but there’s a moment with Ryouma (1:02) and his voice really sounds like Matt Mercer… Though on the other hand, there are two quotes when Ryouma and Marx are shown: “once and for all” one and “no more kings to the death”(? I’m not a native speaker so I’m not sure I didn’t mishear this part).
The first one sounds like something Marx would say, and it’s Mercer’s voice. Ryouma says the other part most likely referring to his late father (the guy killed in trailer ofc). BUT THEN I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH VOICE IS ACTUALLY HIS BECAUSE LATER AT 1:02 RYOUMA SCREAMS AND THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MATT MERCER.
So I’m not that sure anymore.
Ryouma said: “No more games; it’s a fight to the death!”
oooooh…..well now it makes sense lol
Yeah, I noticed just after posting this that he sounds just like Zavok xD
I can hear Troy Baker in Ryouma though. I thought he was Marx but now he sounds to me like Roger Craig Smith – strange because he hasn’t done anything Japanese in my memory before.
Looks like we aren’t getting two versions in the west! yay
Don’t speak too soon. They didn’t reveal that there would be two versions initially in Japan, so they’ll probably do it the same way for the WW release.
I’m just saying this is the 3rd trailer they didn’t show it for in the west. This seems like the trailer to do it and explain it to consumers. They still could but I think we’ll find out more in the tree house or in a press release this week.
There will be two versions of the game, according to a Nintendo press release.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZS1SRO2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XYCX1YAEDVKG&coliid=I1W7F6HWRV38BG Nintendo really is trying to make this confusing.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/16/fire-emblem-if-becomes-fire-emblem-fates-in-the-west.aspx
Yes we are :/ At least the developers earned it. Special Edition here I come…
That’s sad and odd given Amazons listing with http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZS1SRO2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=XYCX1YAEDVKG&coliid=I1W7F6HWRV38BG
my money is ready and waiting >_< i hope we get collector edition tooooo!!
Interesting that the main mirages shown are Shiida, Cain and… Chrom. I mean, shouldn’t the main character have Marth to complete the pattern?
Well, Chrom deserves a bone after the whole Smash fiasco.:)
Yeah, Sakurai made him into a joke. It’s nice to see that Atlus is giving him the love he deserves.
We still don’t have a detailed release date? Jesus, I’m dying of overhype.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/16/fire-emblem-if-becomes-fire-emblem-fates-in-the-west.aspx
We’re getting two versions + DLC too guys :/
Well, at least the developers earned the split. Special Edition here I come!
Looks like special edition for me, I need to know like as soon as pre-orders go up.
We’re getting two versions + DLC just like Japan guys:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/16/fire-emblem-if-becomes-fire-emblem-fates-in-the-west.aspx
So possibly Matt Mercer as Ryoma and Travis Willingham as Garon. Interesting.
Takumi also sounds a bit like Liam O’Brien but I’m not sure.
Honestly, this looks to be a fun spin-off.
I know the whole “idol” thing will turn some people off, but I’m even more curious to see what this game takes from Fire Emblem.
It does look fun! Thankfully, I’ve not been paying enough attention to new things in Japan to get sick of the idol thing, and I think it could be pretty neat. Not sure what it’ll be like, but given the people involved, hopefully it’s not gimmicky and actually makes things better.
How large is the DL size for Black Kingdom and third route? I only have the original 2GB mini SD card, wondering whether to change or not.
probably about 2+ GB so its better to get a new one
Welp. :/
How do you move data to the new card, just copy/paste?
You basically pop the old SD card into your laptop, then copy everything onto the laptop, take out the old SD card, put in the new one and transfer it on. This should help if you are stuck, I got my 25GB SD card working immediately and hasn’t done me any wrong.
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Support/Nintendo-3DS-2DS/Usage-/SD-Cards/Transferring-data-between-SD-Cards/Transferring-data-between-SD-Cards-826530.html
i dont know, just try to search online for the procedure.
Pretty sure one route by itself was more than 2 GB
Oh dear, my 4gb card needs an upgrade…
outstanding analysis! u pointed out a lot of things i didnt even think of!! now i want the games more than ever…! play them till my brain burns! one thing i noticed, the lake Aqua seems to be in is Hoshidan territory…looking at the trees, its the kind u see in Japan oriented places
Cue the people complaining about it still being split. It honestly doesn’t matter, even if it was sold as 1 game you would still have to pay to play the other path so the only thing that your ”missing out on” is choosing what side you want to be on in-game, unless you get it digitally.
I swear I have to freaking edit this to make my stance clearer:
I know, its like they just totally overlook that fact. If somehow it was put all on one cartridge, the price would still be around the same in purchasing both games (as in one physical copy + the downloaded version…..GOD!!), compared to buying “Wanted One” (with all that content being jammed on there). So as you said, along with its unfathomable that people want Fate to not only be cheap, but also having 2 (3 if you count the third path tba) completely different games on one….for the price of one, rather than settling for 3 games for the price of 2. Not that anyone is required to actually play through more than the copy they bought.
Again, I’d really love to see how one version would cost the same as both versions. I could see it costing more, but you’ll have to explain instead of just pulling nonsense out of thin air.
No one is pulling nonsense dude. If it was being sold as 1 copy where you make the choice in game, you would still have to buy the other path if you wanted to play the other side. There’s no way Nintendo would condense it into 1 game for like 60 or so dollars where you can choose both paths in that single game. But there is literally no point in arguing about it since it’s already confirmed to be sold the same way in the west as Japan.
I’ve been reading about this since yesterday, and I’m tired of this. Let Nintendo do whatever they pleases, it’s obious that the player is the last of their worries. And I’m sorry if someone thinks that I’m an intruder, since I’m not even part of this comunity.
I’m from latinamerica, I started playing Fire emblem with the ones on the GBA, I liked them a lot more than tactics ogre or FF tactics, the mechanics, the characters, the story. And I can’t really argue with people who has played the ones that only were released in Japan, since I haven’t played those, and I’ve played only the ones that came here.
I know Nintendo and Intelligent Systems must have put everything they got, to get the FE franchise out of the frier, since Awakening was supposed to be the last and all that. but it seems to me that because of the outcry for the split, this might actually turn into dust everything they acomplished with Awakening, and fates would probably be the last FE, they make, or they could even stop localizing it in the west.
Now as for me, I won’t buy it, and not because I would rather see FE cancelled forever before it gets too casual, or because the waifus, or I didn’t liked the my castle feature, or something like that. I think that everything that serves to save it from oblivion is welcomed, if a guy, or a girl want to play casual, or phoenix, we’re nobody to tell them how to play, that’s stupid, if it helps to save the franchise, and the developers handle these new perks and features well, I think those changes are welcomed.
But, as I said before, I’m from latinamerica, and Nintendo of America, forgets about us all the time. In my country, one single 3DS game can cost 80 – 90 USD, this are going to be two separate games, okay, fine, “if you buy one phisical, you can download the other one for 15 usd”. Sorry but no, on my country that other path is going to be at least 40 USD, (if not 50). And then there is the third route, let’s suppose that there goes another 40 dollars. This game(s) is already more expensive than a home console game from any company. And what if in your country you don’t have access to the e-shop, then if you want these games, your only choice is gettin them phisical, and the discount? who cares? Not to Nintendo obiously, not to mention that in those places there won’t be a way to play the thrid route.
Why am I sying this, because it’s the truth, the game looks fantastic, but if I support this practice, they might turn this into the standard practice for future FE games, and our region is not getting more prosperous exactly. What would be a good way to solve this, at an international level, I don’t know. For me it will be to skip this one and wait for the next, if there is a next after fates.
I should have scrolled down before I posted further up as most of the foreseeable problems are things you mentioned, the price point issue in other countries in even greater detail (I had honestly forgotten that the Eshop isn’t supported in some countries). Sorry to hear games cost that much for you, here I am whining about paying 10 dollars more in Canada.
Sorry for the faulty grammar, I’m still learning english. I agree with you too, Nintendo is really making a leap of faith with this game. This move, the split, if it’s executed wrong, it can kill this franchise for us, and even though I would really like to defend the game, Nintendo makes things really hard for us, their fans, I simply hope for the best with this game.
I would explain, but a lot of it is common sense by looking back at how previous games were handled along with the information we have of “2 main routes and 1 DLC routes, each “supposedly” the length of Awakening” So three full fledged FE-length games being the price of one…..Nintendo isn’t gaining any profit from that with the amount of time they spent on all three routes (especially with the extra content AKA My Castle they added). Its the option fans want, but face it, Nintendo, like any company, looks out for themselves in ways to make themselves money.
Ah screw it, I’m going to just state myself, these are the variables:
If Fate is being sold for $40
“All three routes have just the same amount of content as Awakening”
-Awakening had 25 main-route chapters (I swear to god the only thing that turn me away from fate is if either side’s chapter count isn’t greater-than-or-equal to 25) and was sold for $40
Fate = Awakening in content
The first 6 chapters are the same in Hoshido and Nohr
19 entire chapters that are different from one-another (with their own individual cut-scenes and everything. Different maps, characters, etc.)
In retrospect, without a discount, the opposite route should be $30.4 if the first 6 chapters are excluded as they’re the exact same as its counterpart.
So full price of the two games (statistically) would be $70.4 (if we treated this as an equation and things were divided evenly).
But a copy of White & DLC Black visa-versa actually costs $60 (40+20 which is the discounted price).
Final Verdict:
Getting both games is around $10 cheaper than it was supposed to be. If you get all three, keeping the equation going. Actual retail value is $100.8, but its being sold for $20. So its $80 if you want to buy all three routes ($20 cheaper than its actual value). So yes…..let Nintendo put something that should be sold at $100 retail value all on one single ds card and sell it at a price that doesn’t reflect its actual cost *heavy sarcasm*
This is why content-wise, having to pay 60 for 2 or 80 for 3 versions of the game is better than paying the above. Anything cheaper is a slap in the face to Nintendo and its like they shouldn’t get back money that represents the time they spent on this game.
Not disagreeing with what you said but why did you keep referencing Konami?
lol I didn’t notice that. I’ve been jumping back-and-forth between Yugioh and Fire Emblem all day I got the two messed up. Thanks for that because I honestly would have kept on saying it ^_^
Thank you. I’m just so tired of people bitching about ”how it ruins their experience since they make the choice before they play the game” or ”how 15$ is way too expensive” even thought it’s been stated multiple times that each side is practically it’s own game with enough content to warrant the price. I can’t tell if people are being greedy, or they just don’t like how Nintendo is selling this, but from the standpoint from the consumer and the business; the price and the way it’s being sold is perfectly fine, even if say 10$ would be the price everyone wants.
“You’d still have to pay?” Great job on pulling that out of your ass.
I’d gladly pay a little more to have both stories on one cart, but two versions is just BS.
Marx is renamed Xandar in the translated first stage playing on Treehouse atm.
so is this the only choice we make in this game? it’s interesting that no one asked nintendo during interviews,etc about this matter
don’t like american aqua 🙁
I think I love Fire Emblem enough (and this game is radical enough) for me to buy both versions…
Well, here’s to hoping they’ll do a special package over here the same way they did in Japan…
same here…special package is the dream of every hardcore lover of fire emblem :3
Corrin and Xander will take time to get used to, but I’m glad Felicia and Hinoka remain the same!
And now, Fire Emblem takes inspiration from the Pokemon universe! Next: Character Trading?
Already kinda got that. In the “My Castle” preview, it appears as if you can buy characters from other players through StreetPass/SpotPass.
Fire Emblem-amie.
It’s already in.
https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MyCastle-000.jpg
-Charade making the choice between both factions as a major selling point of the game.
-Remove making the choice at all from the game by locking the player into a path in two separate games.
-Choice now made in stores instead of in game.
Way to add to the story there, moneybags.
Wow, the transformers actually get a promotion, that I didn’t expect. Also you got to appreciate the thought they put into these class designs.
I want Optimus Prime as DLC now.
Edit: Nevermind.
I want to know if thief, swordmaster and assasssin are returning classes in this game!
Theif is now a bow using unit, swordmaster is back with the name trueblade, and assassin appears to be gone, although hopefully the jonin functions like an assassin.
Aqua is singing: You are the ocean’s great waves, destined to see life beyond the shore, just out of reach, yet the waters ever change, flowing like time, the waters, yours to try.
Not as sure about that last part since it is hard to hear over the arrows.
Thanks. I couldn’t make it out myself. And I think you have that last part correct.
These most likely arent all the classes, as i counted 54, 55 if Dark Prince and Dark Princess are counted separately, plus 56 with Aqua. Assuming Aqua promotes, that makes it 57. If Mikoto and Garon have unique classes too, then its 59. The June trailer said over 60, so unless that includes enemy-only units, then there must be a couple more we havent seen yet.
These look amazing. It makes me excited to see the class sketches in the art book for this game – I loved them in Awakening’s book, I bet this book’s sketches will be awesome too.
im honestly not to impressed with the american dub haha on the brightside though at least i was correct in assuming Ryoma was gonna be played by matthew mercer ;p
I feel Bow is just useless now. What’s the point of using a Bow on a Flying unit if it has a tome or sword and the Weapon triangle reduces Bows accuracy and other stats.
Because it’s still effective on flying units, so you’ll probably still kill. And its even stronger on lance wielding flyers.
True but you’ll still likely miss a Swrd FalcoKnight, but most fliers now are more prone to Magic weakness. Wyverns can still survive a hard Bow shot and retaliate with a Javelin just a bit less. Revenant Knight is a Wyvern rider with an Axe or Tome, making either it either miss and retaliate hard or below average on this class. Most of the best lance units like Knights, Generals, Paladins etc. But their all high Def units. Only the Pegasus Warriors will have trouble, but Butler, Ninja’s and other couple of hidden Weapon users I bet will use Swords, thus beating Bows… again.
I’m thinking about this a little to deep.
hmmm so setsuna is not the blue maid okey im starting to think blue maid is actualy not important or it is important but a character like philia in awakening lolz
Or she’s a character that appears only in Nohr. And IS really dosen’t care about Nohr.
Why would they not care about one of the 2 versions?
I think because most of the updates are in Hoshido [e.g. there are more new classes in Hoshido and the cultural stuff revolves more in Hoshido].
[whisper: andAqua’salwaysinwhiteinthetrailersahaha]
Most of the characters that were shown are either Hoshido only or appear in both versions so maybe it’s less don’t care about and more appealing to what’s more popular with japanese audience which is Hoshido (Obviously).
Good god! I’m not sure if Asama’s hair is supposed to be the equivalent of a fro. Either ways, his bio makes him sort of hippie’ish so I guess the hair goes with the personality.
Man. This almost doesn’t seem like a FE game. 8D In a good way. Some people that have been long time fans may not like the change, but I’m interested in what this means for the franchise. FE has always (well, except for a certain Ike) had royalty at it’s center point, with the avatar playing as either a background character, or not being present at all. FE:A started to tip the balance with Robin being a major plotpoint, but still have Chrom and the others as the ‘main’ characters. In this game, you play both parts. Main character, avatar, and who knows what they’re going to do for tactician. XP
9/9/9/9 … What prevented even one of them from a 10?
Maybe because they made the games in 2 different editions? Thats still a factor.
Anyone find it suspicious they didn’t show off Aqua’s class?
Aqua is a singer ! She can sing (well duh !) for the other units so they can fight twice and she also uses a spear ! It’s similar to Olivia’s class in awakening.
I know, but they didn’t show in the class reel
Oh ! Sorry, I got the wrong idea … Well maybe that’s because it’s an exclusive class …
The main site also updated with some new pages.
Let me start this with i’m fine with two versions on a personal level because the content appears to be there.
They are really screwing up here because they aren’t outright saying that they are two separate versions you buy at retail. The trailer, the thing that will have been viewed by the very most amount of people did not show two versions. They are selling these two games as one game in marketing and it isn’t the case according to themselves. By sending very mixed messages about choice when there isn’t a choice for retail buyers.
Also I want to address 15 dollars not “being a lot of money” that’s your value judgment if you believe that. 15 dollars ontop of 50 dolalrs for some is a lot of money. Then add 3rd path DLC, a new 3DS so you can access amiibo, scalping costs for each amiibo, the DLC that currently is only inside of 10 dollar structure decks and this game gets really expensive really fast.
i need all fire emblem amiibos ahora, ya, burn money burn
I need at least the Lucina one, no puedo vivir sin mi waifu(?
She is alwaya my daughter when i play awakening hahahaha 😀
Cool to hear about supports coming back. I guess the other question I have now is whether or not the marriage feature is coming back. (I guess there’s no children this time around.)
marriage has been confirmed from a Dengeki scan and there is a couple scans floating around that seem to confirm children
they’re back…. with kids
Early purchasers? Do they mean like pre-orders or people who brought the game within a certain time frame?
Nintendo is extremely vague with their wording. It simply says “early-purchase bonus”, which I assume is a type of “first-print bonus”. Here’s the original tweet (in Japanese).
https://twitter.com/FireEmblemJP/status/608443194267828225/photo/1
Thanks for the reply and for garon and mikoto I think that theres a chance that they can be recurited somehow through paralogues like awakening. I’m just guessing, but you were able to recruit emmryn in awakening through this so maybe something of this sort?
Maybe it’s an end-game feature. In Awakening, all the additional paralogues with characters like Emmeryn, Priam, Aversa, etc were accessible only before you went on to beat the final boss/after you finish the game.
0.0 werent they accessible b4 grima?
Yes, just right after you beat the chapter that is before Grima’s chapter. Sorry, I should have clarified.
I… as beautiful as Marth? This is every mans dream come true!!
This is what all true man strive for! :’3
My boy.
So Lucina’s card is designed by the same guy who is designing Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem?
Interesting.
Still wondering what the deal is with Garon. He kidnapped the baby Avatar, isolates and threatens them with fire…yet apparently he can join either side?
so wheres the blue maid._.
Are there any archer unit in Nohr?
Zero (one of Leon’s subordinates) uses a bow, but his class is Thief, I think. Only Nohrian character seen with one.
I’m a touch confused on the “biggest Fire Emblem game” business. Haven’t there been several games in the series with more than 28 chapters? Not that chapter count is necessarily an accurate barometer (Holy War). But we’ve known each version is supposed to be roughly as big as Awakening, so it’s unlikely to be an issue either way.
They meant when the two campaigns are combined. Of those 28 chapters, 6 are shared, so the total unique chapter count is 22 + 22 = 44. So… hey, that’s less chapters than Radiant Dawn. Oh, but there are probably sidequests too. Even just the usual 10 will bump it over Radiant Dawn.
We know we have babies based on males now so we likely will get a side quest for every male characters baby + avatars baby if female (I assume she will be special like male robin was and chrom). We may also see another character be special like how chrom was so yah we will have tons of side stuff too.
However, we don’t know for sure that it’s 28 chapters, they are saying as long as awakening but they are like putting that on the back of the box, they could easily be stretching the truth.
Awesome!
Also, before the guys get too excited: The Avatar probably won’t be able to marry Camilla, since she’s his older sister.
She’s his older “adopted” sister. I think we can still dream.
Still “sister” and it wouldn’t be fair to Hoshido players since they’re denied Hinoka.
they already did the “adopted” sibling thing in Awakening with Aversa… and video games in general are not known to be fair with everyone, so…
Well to be fair, the Nohrian siblings aren’t biologically related to the Avatar tho so it’s not out of the question… unlike Hoshidan siblings I guess, lol
Basically It’d be the same as marrying aversa, seeing as how she’s your Step sister technically
The difference is that you didn’t grow up with Aversa and Robin doesn’t consider her family. Kamui looks to Camilla like a true blood relative sister
Though she will constantly bring up herself as his “little sister” (which is weird cuz shes’s like 6-8 years older than crom but i digress)
Wouldn’t the children existing in an alternate reality be like Awakening’s time travel? You know, Outrealm stuff. But we saw Aqua and Kamui entering portals in the introduction video, so it’s the most likely theory.
I guess it depends on your perspective. Some people just don’t like time travel as a plot element, full stop XD
Garon also mentions that the Ganglari is infused with power from another world, so clearly there will be outrealm stuff in the plot.
Awakening just did it very badly is all.
I don’t have faith that they can pull a Marvel and handle Time Travel well like with Rachel Grey-Summers.
By the way the way kanna say it in the magazine, she saids it like she was training all these years more then coming from a another world. Ok who said that when coming from another world anyway because the last time I checked that’s fucking odd.
Mehh….even though they go hand-in-hand I’m moreover happy about the children just for the fact that we get more characters. Looks like I’m just going to keep on doing that male skinship thing instead/ find the most open female out there to marry. In Awakening the only reason I went with Anna was because she seems to be the type who wouldn’t care if Male MU ended up with a guy if she could just sell the photos.
Man these games really are gonna be as long as Awakening, huh? Well let’s see…I have over 500 hours on Awakening spread across four game files, and this entry is gonna be three games long spanning Nohr, Hoshido, and the third route, and if I play a minimum of three files per game, then that means……….I’m boned.
And my immediate first thought in how they tie this together was the first Fullmetal Alchemist series. I won’t get into too many spoilers on that, but I don’t think the answer is gonna be time travel.
i gotta choose my avatar’s husband…!….
Hopefully the not birth related imouto is a valid option
Soooooo… still no homosexual marriage?
Not even with Camilla and Joker?
What a let-down.
Ikr, if anything Camilla seemed like a shoe-in for some yuri….or bisexual antics.
If anything there better be more platonic same-sex supports/ don’t have every female able to support with all the guys (just to make their supports more unique compared to Awakening when you just knew that some guys and girls would never work out with each other, despite having the option to)
Seems to be the case, sadly. Maybe next game?
It’s their characters, their story, and their game. So of course, they’re going to do what they want. And unless they had a team full of homo people, I doubt they’d ever be interested in including such relationships.
Not sure why anyone would get their hopes up about such a thing in the first place. -_-‘
And their characters and their stories have always been rife with homosexuality, even in the most recent game.
You don’t need to have a “team full of homo people” to understand that homosexual and bisexual people exist, and even then, considering the usual homosexuality rates and the size of the team working on this game, it’s more than safe to assume that more than a handful of them are not heterosexual.
Many fans (not just bi/homosexual fans, mind you) were very vocally upset about the lack of same-sex marriage options in recent titles like Awakening and Tomodachi Life, and Nintendo even responded by saying that they didn’t recognize how important it was to their fans and that they would keep it in mind for future games.
You don’t need to be homosexual or bisexual to understand or support such relationships, especially for a game developed in Japan where recent trends of yuri in media are usually met with high popularity and approval.
But no, forgive me for getting my hopes up that a character like Camilla (who has on multiple occasions been stressed to be hopelessly obsessed with Kamui) could marry female Kamui. Especially considering that Velka’s profile suggests that Camilla is AT LEAST bi.
Approximately two percent of the general population is gay/bisexual. It’s a miniscule cross section.
I’m left handed and often had to use right handed desks in high school because there aren’t nearly as many southpaws. And the percentage of left handers is far higher than the percentage of lgbt individuals.
Being inconvenienced by membership in a minority group is part of life. It’s unfortunate but understandable. Gotta learn to suck it up.
2% is a really conservative estimate, many studies go up to 5% or higher. In more modernized areas, especially large cities and areas where religion isn’t prominent, the estimates can get as high as 15%, and keep in mind this isn’t counting people who don’t want to admit it on record.
Don’t compare the hand you write with to the gender you’re attracted to, the difference there is massive.
Not in this context. In this context there is no difference, because in this context I’m simply demonstrating that the needs and wants of smaller groups can’t always be adequately met. If you and your brother want to go to Applebees but everyone else in the family wants to eat at the Olive Garden, you’re probably gonna have to go to the olive garden. The needs and wants of the many outweigh those of the few.
Also, local population statistics of cities are irrelevant, although the two percent might have been a bit conservative. I’ve seen some report as high as four and even five as you suggested, but that doesn’t change the fact that the number is incredibly small
Now, I feel so damn pathetic, but I wonder if the amiibo version of FE characters are going to have support convos with you (like spotpass unlockable characters in Awakening) cuz you know… these news.
It used to be “Is Roy and Marth in this game?”
Now it’s “Can I marry Roy and Marth in this game????”
Well, we already know that they are in the game via amiibo/spotpass/whatever, so yeah, that’s the next question :^]
Well…that’s good to hear. I’m happy about that, at least.
while im fine with 2 versions, why are they marketing it as one game? sometimes they say you choose DURING the game, but you kinda choose before you even get the game… and the trailer is marketing it as 1 game… yet, its going to be 2 games?… the japan trailers atleast market it as 2 versions, but why are the american trailers marketing it as 1?
From the information flying around the internet, the decision of different routes during the game is for the Japanese version (I could be wrong) where they have 4 versions of the game ( Hoshido, Nohr and a copy with both version for a price of 2 games and the digital version).
I re-watched the choose your path trailer and information stated within the direct, it’s definitely heavily implied that the game is a singular entity, it even goes as far to say that Hoshido is more traditional to the series described as “more accessible” (easier), and that Nohr is more “complex” with “difficulty that is more challenging”. As to why I feel this to be significant is that they’re marketing the two stories essentially as additional difficulty settings for the game which if this falls through as two versions we will have been misled with false advertisement, something that people in a country like America love to bury businesses over; it seems like it’s treading close to bait for a class action lawsuit, something Intelligent Systems really doesn’t need at the moment (I get it may sound far fetched and dramatic, but companies have been sued over lesser issues by ‘Muricans).
It’s still at the point where they can measure fan reaction and make changes, but this is Nintendo; at the end of the day they will do whatever they want.
I personally don’t care as long as the dual version is as common as the single copies, if not more common.
Oh man. Outrealm thing again… I hope this thing works now esp with the better writer.
Mhh okay if they put the marriage system back in since so many people enjoyed it, but the children as well? Would have liked it more if it was an awakening thing only. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how well they fit into the story.
Argh! They’re reusing the Time Travel stuff yet again!?
I mean, in the game where it first appeared, it didn’t use time travel, it skipped ahead to a time through peace where the children were fully grown. I believe it was with Sigurd and Seliph.
Yes, but that game also killed off all of the parent generation. Do we live in a time where gamers can handle that?
Well that’s a spoiler…. lol or not at this point. I would love a time skip in FE once again. That would be awesome!
No you waited like years If I’m correct.
Does it actually outright say “straight couples only” in the scans or is that just an assumption?
I mean, I know there’s no point in hoping I can actually be gay this time, but I can’t help it 🙁
looking at it from a mechanical standpoint, it only makes sense that they would only allow straight marriages because of the children and skill inheritence
There are ways around it though, for instance allow same-sex marriage just with no resulting kid, or adoptive replacement kids like in FE4.
There was gay marriage in fe4?
No there weren’t gay marriages in FE4, but when a character didn’t get married in the first generation, there was a different kid in place of the one that would be in the second generation cast had the character gotten married. The replacement has worse stats and growths.
ahh I get you
I think what they’re getting at is if there’s no boink-boink then there would be a new character in place of the child that was supposed to be there. Either that, or having the supposed “child” be an apprentice to the father instead of actually their child (as the children are now based off of their dads). But oh well, not like either two choices will be happening.
No they said something about replacement units
i’m sure there won’t be any gay marriage, because there can’t be any child with gay marriage
This is a world where people can shoot fireballs and transform into dragons and stuff, I don’t think gay couples having children would be too farfetched. Especially if the kids are actually from another dimension or something, which seems to be the case.
you know that will never be the case, i think it is more weird for gays to have kids than having dragon transformation.
there is so much wrong with that statement
well whatever, LGBT statements bore me as much as my statement does to you
I wouldn’t say that you bore me….but more like I feel dissapointed in you in general and your mindset.
Well it’s true in this time period it’s not like there was much beyond adoption.
that’s the point. It’s almost like Lone is saying adoption is even out of the question (obviously I’m not even referencing current medical procedures)
Seriously, i can not STAND mpreg, the game going anywhere near that will completely ruin LGBT representation, and be a big spit in the face to actual NORMAL gay people
They don’t have to do mpreg or anything, just “oh hey, look, it’s our magical child from another dimension” or whatever would be fine. Maybe one of the gods blessed them with the (already-born) child or something? There’s a lot of ways they could do it that wouldn’t involve mpreg.
nah they don’t need to bend over backward to cater to two percent of the population. Unfortunately it would be neither practical or logical
By that logic they also shouldn’t have the option to have red hair, nor should they translate the game into German.
Sure, if you want to compare inclusion of a hair color and German translations to having to write and program numerous support conversations that approximately two percent of people will have any interest in reading. Of course such a comparison is asinine.
Bear in mind that programming a hair color takes virtually no time at all. Also bear in mind that translating the game to German opens up the game to approximately 100 percent of the German 3ds gamer market and would be responsible for driving every single sale of the game in Germany.
So in summation hair color takes very little effort from them-ie low investment, and translations literally open up entirely new markets in which the game can be sold- ie yields potential for high reward. Gay supports fit neither of these categories. They require a decent amount of investment and will drive few to no sales.
I personally don’t care either way. I’m just explaining to you why the developers likely didn’t deem it worth their valuable time and energy.
I realize it would be a lot of effort to make support conversations between every single character, but really I’d be fine even if it was just exclusive to the Avatar. And presumably the Avatar can A-support everyone already anyway, so it wouldn’t be that much work to write the S-supports as well. Heck, even if they only made it possible for a small amount of characters, that would still be better than nothing. It would definitely bring a lot of attention to the game as well, and most likely bring in quite a few more sales. Sure, not as many as a German translation would, but a considerable amount nonetheless. Assuming your 2% statistic is accurate, the amount of gay people who bought Awakening is about half the amount of Germans who did so, and I’m sure a lot more would buy it if they could actually be gay in the game. A lot of straight people too, based on what I’ve seen of various fandoms online. Even disregarding this, some other companies do allow gay relationships in their games, and they haven’t had any loss because of it from what I’ve heard. Nor do I think they really considered that in the first place.
Either way, in the end, it all boils down to feeling actively alienated in games I would otherwise love – time and time again. I mean, yeah, I’ll play it and enjoy it anyway. But it would be nice if I could actually feel like my avatar represents ME, for once, instead of forcing me to be something I’m not. Is that really too much to ask for?
Absolutely this. At LEAST make the MU able to S-rank same-sex. Hell, I’d even pay money as some sort of stupid DLC, I don’t care. Just let me be me.
Dude, just as the guy before you, Youngotakubwoy said, this is still a medieval setting – where every male had to marry a female and every female had to marry a male for lineage’s sake, even royals. I’m sorry, and just so you know, I do support homosexual rights, but that’s something for this current century and beyond. If they make a Fire Emblem based on today’s situations and takes place in the today, maybe they’ll do it, but even I as a supporter realize that even the mention of that is incredibly idiotic.
There won’t be. This is Nintendo. Nintendo is a conservative Kyoto based company. Nintendo would not make a game with gay marriage. There will probably only be tongue in cheek stuff like in the last game, but there absolutely will be no marriage between same-sexes. You have to take in mind that this is a medieval type setting with kings and queens and lineages being important, they would make a proLGBT statement and change the child making mechanic with a far fetched story asspul.
That is right, but i fear to even think about what the FE14 tags on Tumblr will become. Not to mention that it would be terrible storywriting. Im getting way too rilled up by this, but it really irks me.
A gay pair that has an adopted/magically created child would be cool, more than one instance of it would get really weird really quickly
Fair enough, I was mostly thinking they’d limit it to the Avatar anyway though. (Especially since otherwise, all gay couples would have two kids and all lesbian couples would end up with none, since the kid is linked to the father.) Not that they’ll do it in the first place, but if they did.
Sooooo a Ricken + Maribelle mate and end up with a Tharja? What the heck went on with that girls’ childhood to make her end up with that personality?!
That’s not maribelle. Also the is more flamboyant than rickan
RIP hype. I know its a popular mechanic and all but I absolutely hate the mechanic to death!
Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉
A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD
Funny thing is I wanted to come so to make you old geeks pissy.
Holy shit! have some respect! I stated an opinion of mine and you said “Go To Hell”. This is unbelievably offensive on so many levels! What is wrong with you! calling the people who don’t like a certain aspect of the game fags WTF we have opinions as well! You need to learn to accept others opinions. You support gays in FE don’t ya, well I don’t but do you see me bitching at every comment talking about it? NO! Because unlike you I don’t get my internet enjoyment fucking with others! I know I just gave you what you wanted but seriously hating on the people with opinions other than yours is fucking wrong, and even worse than that is attacking someone with words as offensive as “Go To Hell”!
I’m actually laughing right now because it shows that old fans are useless and old farts. This makes fire emblem different from other strategic games.
Either way I got the last laugh. XD
I’m still laughing cause you’re ignorant and arrogant.
Ignorant if what? Because old fans don’t like new thing to the series? Sims , pokemon , and harvest moon have this mechanic and fans love the series, because sometimes a character in video games having a family make them more human and special in story’s or for players.
Those are irrelevant since those games are built around it from the beginning and that’s how it’s meant to be played (Though Pokemon doesn’t marry. We just force animal cruelty to be the very best). Fire Emblem was built with different mechanics. It’s what Fire Emblem is leading too is more what Old Fans (That aren’t weeaboo’s at least) fear of and dislike. And having a family doesn’t make you more human. Understanding and morals do. Look at FF7.
Pokemon has a breeding mechanic were you created fighters, pokemon were also built to fight.
Ff cloud has a little adoptive kid that he takes care of.
Some of your old fans shipped lyn or Marth.
Your fan base loves a game that has trope characters, colored haired, anime move set , art that’s based on old anime, and original fantasy cliché story.
Breeding and Marriage is different. I can make two pokemon make a baby and then make the baby… with mum… grows, but whatever. Ugh! This is just disgusting talking about it. I’m done.
Really? Creating units to fight and die for you that’s not like pokemon breeding, in war you need a army and of course you need to breed that army. The marriage thing is just a thing to make it less messed up.
But said by everybody “It’s optional”.
No shit dipshit.
You seriously need to chill, Delvin. The older games were just as enjoyable as the current ones and you need to respect that they will have their opinions. Seriously, marriage, kids or not, I’m just glad they kept the support conversations and as long as the story is still excellent, I could give a flying care.
There are a lot of strategic games out there nintendo just needed to give it something a little new. Besides people love ship characters especially Lin and Marth. D
Don’t forget nintedo watches us online sometimes .
I’ve been reading other comments and you keep replying to those not really interested with the marriage system. Stop acting like a rude kid and start respecting their opinions.
Respect things that the players have the power to choose in other words respect optional things.
noone cares
about you
i guess it would be more interesting if they could add a new mechanic for marriages, i mean adding a side quest which includes a flash back of the spouse’s past. it helps for more character development and could make the marriages a bit more interesting
Like those extra chapters that are unlocked in Fire Emblem 7? That would be interesting O:
No no no nooooooo~
I liked how the supports worked in the previous games (well, except for RD) but the mariage mechanic… This is just fan-service, seriously.
Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉
A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD
I get the feeling that you’re only a troll, but stop using the same argument over and over again. All of them just seem really childish and have no evidence or whatnot to back it up. It’s really annoying.
Evidence of what I’m just mocking them smarty.
Or bein a dick. Sorry. Someone had to say it.
You Guys had it coming anyway the way you acted.
You seriously need to get out of this community.
Your community is nothing mor then a small little accident from a fighter game , you’re not real veterans the japs are.
OH!!! HE SAID A NAUGHTY WORD! RACIST!!!
Japs is short for Japanese. Anyway you guys are not use to this yet because you didn’t have the old fe before.
No seriously. Japs is actually racist. Keep that in mind.
Uh huh, do you have anything new?
so you mean FE4 was fanservice?
cause this is a mechanic from FE4
You’re right, but atleast FE4 didn’t have over-sexualization and the pander-fans of the Western part of the world.
Uh fire emblem had sexy girls before duh dipshit.
You know again you can still kill your self.
…How has this guy not been banned yet?
There’s a difference between “naturally attractive” and “deliberately sexualized”.
Have you flagged him? We should all combine powers and support to flag/ban this guy.
The good ol’ Triangle Attack?
With the 100% crit? Sure.
Oh trust when I see some of those art work I know what I see.
That’s not exactly the same because in my opinion in FE4, there was a concrete plot and the marriage and kids system was well done whereas in FE13, they tried to redo it and to me, failed. True, the fact that you can practically marry whoever you want, that you have endless possibilities to do so is innovating and brings more fans to the franchise, but I actually think it brings a lack of personality to the characters, or that they are being too stereotypical. I’m talking about the kids, not the parents. It’s paradoxical, I know, but the kids seem quite shallow to me and the child-father supports are generic. If the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?
Hope it’s understandable, because I’m not a native English-speaker.
Failed? They added them as mor units to your army also it was pretty simple too “the future was in trouble so they come back to help prevent this”. Well the child is produce by the mother thee father could be anyone you choose so it might take a little longer especially when that was about to be the last game. Also there are plenty of tropes in fire emblem franchise You dumb fuck.
“Failed?” Just read again the reasons I said this.
Indeed, the franchise is full of stereotypes which is why I said “I’m talking about the kids, not the parents” because it’s the parents who are the archetype characters and the kids being stereotypical. And indeed again, “if the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?”
You seem slightly blind, or you might have a selective eyesight?
There’s a lot of mixed feelings over the marriage mechanic. It’s always been in fire emblem actually, except it usually only happened when you beat the game with certain characters at A level support. I’m an old fan and I’ve always liked to pair people up before the game ends. So I don’t really care about how they do it as long as it doesn’t become a flat out waifu simulator.
I know it’s always been in Fire Emblem but like you said, it only occurred when you beat the game with certain characters when they reached A support. That’s why I really how the supports worked in the previous games because it wasn’t that present in the plot while in FE13, it’s practically waifu and hubby.
True, awakening did put a little more emphasis on the marriage system, but I only did it for the kids lol. But I’m not very familiar with the way the marriage system worked in FE4, so I can’t really make and harsh judgements on FE13.
I do know that the supports were made easier to get in FE13. Before I always had to make good use of each character’s limited number of support conversions for the endings I wanted with them.
Actually because you finally get to create own character in the game, again this mechanic before, but the thing is in fe 7 they created a sequel for money instead of adding the time skip mechanic like fe4. You dumb ass, use your fucking head next time.
Don’t worry, I use mine, but you should use yours because what you are saying isn’t relevant to my comment.
Also nobody gave a a flying shit about your final fantasy spin off franchise.
…Anybody who knows anything about videogame history is laughing there socks off right now.
Please stop making yourself look like an irate idiot and leave.
I’m not talking about history I’m making fun of your game.
Somehow I doubt we’re going to have the Awakening marriage mechanics all over again, actually. Yeah, we’ll have marriage and children but Awakening was all for the fanservice. Fates seems to actually be putting more thought into the writing so I imagine we’ll at least have same-sex paired endings even if they can’t make babies.
Your assuming a lot to say they put more thought into the writing just because they hired a manga Ka. It’s not like his stories were the best ever.
I’ll StreetPass fight you for her.
Kinda expected the marriage system, but not the children thing really. Wonder how they are going to explain how the children got to the present anyway. People need to calm down about this tho, it’s not like it’s a bad/weird thing having your characters marry, again it’s completely optional.
Exactly, I don’t get why some people make a lot of fuss over something optional. Sure it MIGHT be a little bit ridiculous to have the time travel thing again, but we still don’t know for sure if that’s how you meet the children.
Thank you. I guess some people just don’t want the same thing that Awakening had with the children, but im all for it really.
The “it’s optional” argument does not hold water. I think of it this way: you have a friend who throws great parties. Then at some point there starts being a corner of the house where people can go get a free handjob. “It’s optional!” some people say. “You don’t have to go get a handjob if you don’t want one! A lot of people really love the handjobs!” But at some point, you start to feel like it’s just not your kind of party anymore…
The marriage/child mechanics were well-incorporated in FE4. Having a time skip and starting a whole second chapter really worked. The “we come from the future” mechanic was shaky at best in Awakening, and the marriage system was so open-ended it really took away from a lot of the characterization (everyone had to be much more of a blank slate for the “they can pair with anyone” thing to work). We don’t know how exactly the children will be shoehorned in here. Maybe they will make it really work well! But it’s easy for a lot of people to have a bad feeling…
1: the handjob thing is completely stupid, because of women, gay guys, guys with a spouse or girl friend. In other words saying people love Hand jobs is completely. Stupid, also diffrerent.
2 : there are a lot of parties with that type of action you need a better way to describe something.
3: you have to be the gayest fucking twick wod to cry of something minor as this, also do you do everything other people do?
4: the optional thing means people like you don’t have to do, it’s bloody harmless.
5: in war there kids with the story they can be the main protagonist, a ride along, or a cheerleader.
6: you know this is why I make fun of you guys in wank off forest, because you don’t let other players have fun on something that’s harmless and it’s over a game that’s not even worth the dirt under my shoes a game that has irrevent gameplay, cliché fantasy stories, colored haired anime heroes, and trope charaters from video game, anime, or some other made up story.
P.s want you guys to remeber that your fan base is about to die and when it does I’m going to take a good laugh at old fans and wish them a bloody and painful death.
Holds no water? Dude, it’s a fact it’s optional. The whole example is so silly that made me laugh, but I do see your point. Regardless of that, as with any annoying fanbase, can’t you just ignore it?
I agree that FE4 had a better mechanic at introducing 2nd gen. units, but I never had a problem with Awakening’s time travel. As for the marriage system, it was pretty open on which character could marry another, but if you paid attention to the support conversations, you’ll notice that some relationships work out better than others. As for the inclusion of children again, I’m just hoping that it’s not time travel again, we just had that in Awakening, but as you and I said, we still don’t know HOW. It may still have a chance.
I’m not arguing about whether or not it’s optional, just making the point that it’s easy to be bothered or feel alienated by it even if you aren’t forced to participate. I didn’t think characters were well developed in Awakening; a few supports gave details on their past, but more likely you just get elaboration on their “quirk”. But yeah, I do think it’s possible they have a “how” scenario that makes sense and doesn’t feel forced and adds a lot to the story (but I am still really annoyed by face-touching minigames, no matter how optional).
We make a fuss cause it’s the “Not Fire Emblem way” and “It’s weird because players just play for pander” and other crap. Rather simple but over used excuse. A game about smart strategy, planning, complex system and we get this. And the optional isn’t optional when you’re playing Lunatic+. You then are forced to play this Waifu Emblem 2016. That’s basically it. Veterans basically just hate the marriage system and that fanbase, but they’re not wrong.
How is it not the fire emblem way, Awakening wasn’t the 1st FE game to do the marriage/child system. So what if it’s a strategy game, what’s wrong with having a feature that bonds your units together that is completely optional? While supports for Awakening were helpful, it’s not like it forced you to watch the confession scenes or the support conversations, just simply skip them and get your ”precious S support” that you need so much for lunatic +. Please, if anything most veterans welcome back this system because it’s a nice bonus feature to the game that is, once again, completely optional. Please stop trying to act like this system ruined the FE you love, because you are in the minority if you think that the marriage and children features are a hindrance to the game.
FE4 did it differently and much better, with an entire 1st/2nd gen split.
Also, the mechanic feels tacked on. The only reason they even included it in Awakening was as a shout-out to FE4 in the first place.
It only really exists to cater to those who are obsessed with the “Waifu Emblem” crap. It’s fanservice and pandering for the sheer sake of it.
And “most veterans welcome back the system”? On both sides of the fandom and the Pacific, I’ve been hearing nothing but arguments and complaints about this that mirror each other.
Fe 4 had it’s way of doing it with the time skip, Awakening had it’s way of doing it with time travel which made sense in the game. Unlike Fe4 though, children were pretty much irrelevant to the story, besides Lucina, so once again it’s most likely just going to be something there as a bonus to getting units married. I wouldn’t say the only reason they did it in Awakening was just as a shout out to Fe4, they just brought back the idea that was only used in 1 other game and it worked. Like I said, its optional so if it bothers you that much that they brought it back because you say people wanted it then just skip it, or don’t bother with the children. The only reason some people are complaining is because they don’t know how they are going to implement how the children got there in the 1st place. They are just worried that they might use the same reasoning as Awakening with the time travel thing, but I really doubt its going to be the same reasoning so unless it is, don’t know why people are this upset about it.
Also, as I’ve said before, regardless of execution the mechanic just feels tacked on to try and maximize sales. Executive meddling, much?
There’s literally much better stuff to bitch about the game then this. If the children and marriage systems are bothering you that much, then that’s your problem. Whether it’s the fans or just the system in general that you don’t like about it, then, once again, that’s your problem. And what’s the problem with trying to maximize sales? If adding an addition like this again will increase sales, then what the fuck is the problem. They didn’t add this system again just for the people who only care about marrying characters and getting every kid, like you said. It’s literally just a side mechanic that you can simply skip.
Actually nintendo watches is on the internet all the time now and they watch people play match maker with fire emblem before awakening. Also besides the males and females are really lonely so why not , because let’s be be honest anyone who spends more time on fire emblem then real life is going to be lonley.
I’m a vet and I love it, though.
The support conversations and paired endings always stood out, especially in Sacred Stones. It’s not pandering, it’s just adapting and evolving.
And believe me, I have a ton of issues with Fates that drive me up a wall, but this is hardly the thing to go after.
I have nothing wrong with the marriage and supports and stuff. Sorry guys if you got me wrong, but it’s just the fanbase that annoys me. Support has been in FE since forever so I don’t have a problem, but people who only play Awakening, don’t touch Classic with 15 foot pole and just play for the marriage system is why I hate it.
I feel like it added a lot of depth to the game as -imo- much of the dialogue was fairly amusing and made your units seem more like real people. I see you issue with it seeming mandatory though with support pairing advantages and child units being veritable gods if built properly (I know my Lunatic Classic playthrough would have been shot without Brave weapons letting Chrom/Lucina support strike Grima with their Falchions 4 times each in one turn)
I can understand the thing about the fanbase cuz i completely agree that ther’ye annoying but the fanbase doesnt realy have to do with the gameplay and functions of the game plus i mean i personally wouldnt make a big deal about the why ppl played awakening and stuff just because everyone has their own reason to play a game… getting mad over it is just isnt going to help anyone but this is just me adding my two cents ^~^
Ive played all the games and i love what they did in Awakening, honestly that was the best way to bring Geneology back. In this veterans opinion the series just gets better and better
Great speech, but now take branch a shove it right up your ass because your final fantasy spin off franchise
They’re not wrong, but neither are the people who like the marriage system and that fanbase. If you hate it so much don’t buy the game. No one’s forcing you.
That doesn’t make sense. Like I could have known what Awakening was going to be like when I bought it. And even then, you’re telling someone, on Fire Emblem website, to not buy Fire Emblem.
Except SF and Famitsu pretty much TELL you what the games are gonna be like before you buy them.
And just because it’s an FE website…well, okay, maybe there’s something else about Fates you’re interested in. But you seem so angry about the changes, and why play a game that makes you angry?
Exactly. The fact is, fandoms and playerbases change. Franchises change. This isn’t “pandering to the Waifu Crowd”, this is “Awakening tried something, the game proved a major success so we’ll give the players more of what they liked”. The old guard has the option not to buy this game, or use the marriage mechanic. No one’s throwing the pre-Awakening games in the trash and saying “sorry, no more for you”.
I think the fandom is just overreacting and getting angry isn’t going to change a thing. Buy it or don’t. You have a choice.
Pretty much. I don’t really get what some people are mad about since the marriage/children systems in Awakening were great and added alot of different ways you could pair up units etc. Guess some people are just doubtful because they think they are going to use the time travel thing again as a reason how the kids are there anyway.
I loved the mechanics of the old games too, but if I want them I’ll just…play those games! And marriage+babies dates all the way back to Seisen, which is the most popular pre-GBA game.
I just hope same-sex A supports can have paired endings too, even if they’re not overt with the HoYay/LesYay subtext. Because from the sounds of it, marriage+children isn’t as big a theme in this game.
It’s not the marriage and kids that bothers me, as a hardcore FE veteran. It’s how they’re going to be explained.
FE4 had the first generation marry and produce children. The first generation was then roasted by Alviss, and there was a timeskip, meaning that it was a very viable reason for the second generation to become the new main cast. In Awakening, we had the whole despairing future thing. That was a large part of the plot. But I’m wondering how kids will fit into the whole “fend off Anya/Nohr” and “Revolutionize the kingdom from within” paradigms of Hoshido/Byakuya and Nohr/Anya, respectively. Marriage has been around for a long time in FE, and tended to be at the end of the game, with characters confessing love at the A support, so it really doesn’t bother me.
I hate this “If you don’t like it then don’t play it” argument. Even ignoring the marriage mechanic, the games are still quite good so I still have many reasons to play it anyways. There’s nothing wrong with providing constructive criticisms and demanding a level of quality from one of Nintendo’s flagship franchises in order to make it better for everyone. I don’t many are inherently against a marriage mechanic, but the way it was done in Awakening was not very well done and could use a lot of renovations. The fact that children are returning despite the logical inconsistencies is ominous at best.
Fair enough. But the marriage mechanic is still optional and so are the kids and it gets tiresome to see people complaining all the time about a mechanic they’re not being forced to use.
Well I actually want my characters to get married I just don’t like how it works here. Like if the Avatar gets married, why is the wife never in any cutscenes – it just feels so unnatural that she wouldn’t become more important to the plot afterwards. Plus you never see any interactions between them after the marriage besides for some random in-battle dialogue. I want the marriage mechanic – I just want it to be done properly
Ah, I see. Apologies, I misunderstood.
To be honest, that bothered me about Awakening, too. In order for the Avatar’s spouse to matter a female Avatar had to marry Chrom and there was a goldmine of feelings to explore from other characters. Lissa, Lucina and Frederick at least retained a teeny bit of relevance since they’re plot-important anyway, but what about characters like Tiki?
LOL no need to apologize – and yeah thats my biggest issue with marriage as well. I think Ideally Fates will have a bunch of cannon relationships you can build if you want to and the MU is the only one with some choice so that each relationships gets a large deal of development. Not to mention things like Cordelia crushing on Chrom even after she’s married, like aren’t you happy with your own man *ugh
Sorry. I’m a bit out of the loop. So I’m reading that some fans are upset about the whole marriage system, but I don’t understand why. The old support systems in FE7-FE12 were not that great, especially FE Radiant Dawn’s. Why are people opposed to the current system? I enjoy being able to see multiple support conversations before deciding on my favorite based on their interactions and class specialty. Children double the fun and make for a badass line up of troops. So, where’s the downside here?
It is true that a good amount FE supports are pretty stale, especially in Radiant Dawn. The only reason some people are opposed to the marriage system is because they think it was only added back in for pandering due to the fan-base it created in Awakening. Even tho Thracia had marriage and children, some people act like Awakening was the only FE game that had these mechanics. That’s the thing though, there is no downside so the people getting worked up over it are retarded. It adds way more character development, more characters with the children, and allows players to pair up people based on how they want.
Overall, the marriage/children features are ones that only improve the game with what they add. The small portion of people complaining are only complaining because they couldn’t care less about the side features such as marriage, and only care about the game-play. Also they don’t like how the FE fan-base has changed with Awakening with a lot more people focusing on the characters, aka waifu wars and such.
Uhm, Orochi kinda looks like a sexual predator. I liked the children characters in Awakening well enough, but I would have preferred if we had skipped them for Fates. Hopefully they’re completely optional and I can leave them for post game.
*Sigh*
…After my initial frustration,… I’m disappointed.
There’s no real reason for the 2nd generation to exist outside of pandering to those obsessed with “Waifu Emblem”.
Way to pour cold water on our hype, IntSys.
This just feels really shoe-horned in; the initial trailers and such makes it seem that IS was trying to tell something big, epic, and different, only to eventually start playing it safe, first bringing in the Awakening expies, then marriage, then the child mechanic.
I can’t see this positively effecting the game overall; it’s just going to hold it back for a lot of people.
optional content is optional. shouldn’t affect your opinion of the game either way. think of it like an optional minigame
Yeah, what rainmaker said. No one’s going to force you to make the characters get married and have babies. The kids are optional, if you want to play an epic dramatic story with no waifus and babies then go for it.
Then dont marry duh, stop ur support until A rank and it’s all good, whiny kid
This argument holds no water. The mechanic offers gameplay bonuses. So penalize myself, then? And to use a modified analogy from someone above, if you’re at a party and suddenly a corner where people can smoke opens up, sure “it’s optional”, but you really start to get the feeling that it’s just not your kind of party anymore.
Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉
A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD
So go dig up your grave and lay In it.
…I see that basic respect and politeness is something few on the internet have.
chickens lay eggs, people lie down fgt
learn english fgt
Some times I people I will pronounce lay instead lie. Duh
Poor DanMan. You’re gonna get so much hate.
Come out dimples you were asking for this, come on how about you a play with bear or dig up a grave for you and lay in it.
This news saddens me. It’s almost as if Fates lowers my expectations every time I hear something new about it.
how many fire emblem fans does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to change the light bulb and the other to say the old one was better.
I admit, that was a good one. Sadly, it’s all too true.
Well shut the fuck up and go hell. 😉
Your group is dying and a new big group is rising.
Do you need to use that reply for everything here? It’s annoying
Does anyone else notice that creators seem apparently ship the Male Avatar with Felicia i mean look at Chapter 7 with the Nohr Path.
Yup, OTP stuffs going on there.
I̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶n̶a̶ ̶m̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ ̶A̶q̶u̶a̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶e̶’̶s̶ ̶p̶a̶r̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶m̶h̶o̶l̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶A̶v̶a̶t̶a̶r̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶a̶r̶e̶n̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶e̶a̶t̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ d̶i̶n̶n̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶’̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶a̶b̶l̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶
̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶a̶p̶p̶e̶n̶.̶.̶.̶
Not surprising.
There’s always that one character that seems to get a little more attention with the main character.
Well, pretty much every Fire Emblem had a marriage-system of sorts… if you got an A support between the right characters, they got married AT THE END…
Right now, I’m hoping that instead of lazy-writing-kids-from-the-future crap, they take after FE4 and have a timeskip. As the Avatar is part dragon (the most dragon-like of the lot of their varied siblings, if I’m honest; nobody else has got pointy ears…) maybe that means the Avatar has draconian longevity too and won’t look too much older after twenty years… thus explaining why we haven’t seen old Avatar… oh, and everyone else from the first generation dies from chivalrous dummy syndrome sometime mid-game.
Just my hopes but as Awakening made more fans than Genealogy did (though the latter did make a whole batch of seasoned, respected fans ^_^; ), it’ll probably be a rehash of Awakening. T_T
Hear hear with the timeskip!
Considering that there’s an image of Tsukuyomi talking with his daughter and he looks exactly the same as usual, I doubt it’s going to be a timeskip.
They… They… THEY BROUGHT IT BACK… Why… How.. WHYY?
(Ofc I am totally in for this but how are they going to connect it to the storyline without Deus Ex machina)
“Charge me 100 dollars and everyone who complains is a baby but dammit if you add babies i’m going to be the baby!” #HalfTheCommunity
Eh.
Just don’t recycle the same plot for the children.
i love the marriage system, its fun, cute and and i get to see the characters in diferent situations of life. Why so much hate? its optional, dont marry them if u dont wanna
Most of the Children from Awakening weren’t apart of the main storytelling anyway, they were optional.
So what is the big deal?
Exactly what you said: optional. They had no real effect on the game, and were simply there to encourage the “Waifu Emblem” nonsense. If the don’t serve any real purpose except to get the scummy part of base to buy it, then why even bother implementing it and just put the resources towards something else?
I don’t see your problem. If people enjoyed that part of the game, then why not let them?
Because the people who play it for that part aren’t only not playing Fire Emblem, but playing an inferior version of the Dating Sims they desire.
Or maybe they want a unique experience of enjoying Fire Emblem’s gameplay while also yes having their dating sim. Fire Emblem is now a unique gaming experience you can’t find anywhere else as far as I know
Get back to me when half the people who talk about Fire Emblem don’t jump straight to “waifus”.
Also, your wording makes it sound like it wasn’t just as much, if not more so, a “unique experience” in the first place.
They were.
Fire Emblem was to SRPGS is like Metal Gear to stealth games: they defined their respective genres.
Sheesh! You’re like the Grinch! Does the happiness of others really bother you that much? You obviously love this series and I just feel sorry for you.
Oh yes, FE is without a doubt a wonderful and unique game. The problem is that its uniqueness just wasn’t enough, not after 12 games. It’s as simple as that. Innovation was required to garner a larger fanbase, and I know that sounds like selfish cash grabs, but that’s basically what it is. In the end, it’s all for the sake of money because that keeps their company alive and pays their rents. The plus is that they will keep making FE games. And that brings us back to whether or not that is a good thing, and whether or not we have it in us to accept the changes.
Actually they still play the strategy gameplay.
“Waifu Emblem”, at least regarding this mechanic, is nonsense. You aren’t just pairing up the avatar with your favorite girl, but also many other members of the cast among themselves. Actual otaku series don’t have important females who fall in love with the non-insert characters.
This mechanic allows customizable units and more variation among the teams. For an open ended game like Hoshido, if there weren’t an equivalent mechanic replacing this, it’d be pretty much an inferior Awakening, and they hadn’t announced anything to replace it as far as customization goes. It’s harder to guess how well it’ll work in the Nohr side though.
“Pretty much be an inferior Awakening”
With different classes, different story and (supposedly) different characters, on top of some new mechanics and actual balancing of existing ones (*cough* pair-up *cough*), it’s clearly trying to be a different game than Awakening. Really, as an SRPG and a Fire Emblem game, you can’t get a lot worse then Awakening without deliberately not caring.
…Which is what makes it the more frustrating that Awakening mechanics got tacked on to it.
Guys chill. We don’t know how everything will work. IS is experimenting with a lot of things to find a balance and make both veterans and newcomers happy. That’s the point of the two versions thing.
Please let this bullshit be Hoshido only please let this bullshit be Hoshido only please let this bullshit be Hoshido only.
No it’s for both dipshit.
That’s cry a river because I want to swim in it. XD
I want to unlock all the characters, but I’m in here for the Fantasy RPG, not for the dating simulator.
That’s why I don’t like future children. It pressures you to marry most of the gen 1 characters in order to get all of the gen 2 characters. I especially don’t want to have to marry my avatar.
Well don’t do it faggot. XD
I stated that I want all of the characters. That includes the future children.
If there was a way to unlock every character without playing hook-up, I would. But there isn’t.
Also, was the name-calling really necessary? Resorting to that right off the bat does nothing but prove your inability to hold a solid argument.
Then your wasting time because there’s this capture enemy thing and you force them into your army in othe words never ending . also for people who played pokemon or sims it’s fun mechanic and easy to do.
The capture mechanic really doesn’t count, though. They don’t have backstories, distinct personalities, special abilities, or anything else that makes the other FE characters worth it so much. They aren’t really characters, they’re just generic enemy unit #176.
You Said you wanted to get every character/unit not special unit.
Now you’re just being difficult.
Not really you just didn’t explained It clearly. Go play harvest moon it’s a game of farm life and people love that game ands it’s marriage mechanics. Also watching your kids grow up and leaving you, it’s quiet sad really. 🙁
Is the Avatar able to learn any class from both side? Because I don’t want my main to be class restricted, I want to choose my game for the story, not the classes…
I truly hope they include options for same sex romance this time too. They don’t have to produce a child, or they could have alternate replacement characters for gay couples. Leaving it out twice in a row, especially after Nintendo said they are gonna be more inclusive after the Tomodachi thing, would be really awful.
There won’t be. You can bet that the marriage mechanic is just there for creating children characters.
Even if there weren’t children, the marriage mechanic would have essentially been there anyway. Every single Fire Emblem game with the Support system in it (except for Path of Radiance) has had the compatible characters marry each other at the end of the game when they reached A level of Support.
Still the same. Only opposite genders marry in those endings. Some games act like a continuation to the next Fire Emblem (who are supposed to be the children of the last Fire Emblem characters).
*sigh* Okay. Bye Fire Emblem, call me when you stop being garbage.
How about you calm down. And stop viewing Fire Emblem as a “Waifu Simulator” sure marrying certain characters together got a very waifu-esque scene, but it doesn’t matter. Fire Emblem is what the player makes it to be. There is no need to hate on a subject or term that has been around since oh, I don’t, Genealogy of the Holy War.
That and the fact that characters in Fire Emblem have been marrying each other and people have been engaged in the whole shipping thing since at least Binding Blade (IIRC, that was the first game with Supports as we currently know them). Not having marriage take place in the middle of the game or not having children wouldn’t have stopped any of the people calling characters their waifu or shipping all of the different characters together.
I just don’t care if people will say the children mechanic is killing the franchise because I care about the characters in general and what they say in the support conversations getting a badass child is just a bonus for me.
Rather have a mixed feeling about the marriage system. As I do like to know my units more in depth by playing through a bunch of supports, it’s basically the fanbase that just ruins it for me. It’s true what they say, “It’s not a Waifu Emblem is you make it one.” But if you keep calling it that, and fans just play it for that reason while that i most talked thing about new Fire Emblem game, then that argument is irrelevant. If it’s a reason why it sold so well and it came back in the next gen then it’s what it exactly looks like.
So you don’t like the marriage system because of the people who like it?
You remind me college when people didn’t like music because it was too mainstream. Your though is equally stupid.
Buy yourself a personnality and start liking things for their own qualities, not for what people will think.
I don’t like the marriage system because people make it act like it’s the sole reason to play Fire emblem, then the devs think it’s okay to lean that way and make more marriage system mechanics to pander and then less content on the mechanics aren’t put in, then I lose faith.
I knew they bring it back. I don’t mind it.
I’m a little more upset about this news than I expected (disclaimer: I’m only modestly irritated). I’m a big fan of Fire Emblem, and that includes Awakening and its unique gameplay features. I’m not offended by the waifu wars or the Outrealms. In this game, I’m not bothered by the hot springs, the face-rubbing, the Awakening clones, or the story implications of these new children. I’m hesitant about this news primarily for gameplay reasons, as well as a personal one.
1) I’m a bit of a completionist and perfectionist. While I liked the eugenics in Awakening, I realized in my later playthroughs that my mind would always linger on the eugenic factors regardless of my pre-established rules for the playthrough. I’d do a no-grinding, no reclassing run, but I’d still agonize over things like “oh no, at this rate Lucina won’t inherit any useful skills! So much lost potential ahhhhh!” It hurts the experience for me. The same goes for how strong the kids are. I’ll have a whole team of Ests (an archetype I love), which makes it hard for me to ignore them. The first gen keeps getting set aside, no matter how strong my convictions are at first. I am sure there are others who can’t shake these thoughts either.
I’ll admit that that’s a matter of self-control, so…
2) I’m a dude and I like dudes. I was gunning for same-sex romance in this game, though I would have survived without it. Also, I LIVE for having a large cast and getting/trying every character possible. I’d say it’s one of the defining reasons I love Fire Emblem. The kids mechanic thus makes for a conflict of interest; it means I have to sacrifice a little part of myself by romancing a woman, or else I lose out on a character that I very much want. Either way, I’m disappointed. I had similar issues with this in Awakening, but I put up with it because I figured it was a one-time deal. This news has re-opened some of those wounds. Even if I have to swallow my pride again, I’m looking at the character list and I’m truly at a loss as to who I’m going to begrudgingly marry. At least in Awakening, I justified marrying Cordelia because in my headcanon, we were just friends who bonded over our mutual unrequited fondness for Chrom. And produced a couple kids along the way (sans intercourse!) because why not. >_>
(and no, don’t bring up the Oboro/Takumi crush in response to that logic)
At any rate, I’m not hating on it, really. I just hope that the fans of this system can recognize that it is far from ideal for everyone. I wouldn’t want this to become a staple of the series if it means they’ll never add same-sex romance. Or even worse, what if same-sex romance locked you out of a character?! I’d rather not think of such horrors…
More for point two, I’m the same way although girl for girls haha. I was -really- looking forward to a chance at being able to marry a woman without having to play as a man (because, quite frankly, you’re stronger than me on that subject. I just couldn’t marry a guy although if I did I probably would have gone for Lon’qu in a very similar fashion. He had gynophobia? Perfect, He can be my purse, I’ll be his beard. 😉 ) I definitely agree though… honestly if it weren’t for Lucina, I would have probably been a single F!MU as opposed to a married M!MU.
Same here ! I wish I was able to romance a girl without having to play as a man … But hey ! We can always hope for extremely ambiguous a-supports, riiiiight ?
Oddly, that Lon’qu idea never occurred to me, even though I used the very same excuse to crush on Guy from Tales of the Abyss!
Also, you reminded me of something that DID occur to me recently. I can only imagine what it would feel like to be a lesbian casually playing Awakening as a confirmed bachelorette, but then “OOPS I GUESS I’M MARRIED TO CHROM NOW.” Yeesh.
Just play as a girl, you can say you’re a trap. This game is not a romance simulator so it really doesn’t matter anyway, I would prefer if they removed this feature all together because half of the support conversations in Awakening are idiotic.
Plus this game is set in the middle ages so same sex romance wasn’t really all that prevalent.
I hear the middle ages also had lots of dragons and magic in it.
(It’s fantasy, it’s not “set in” the middle ages.)
No, I won’t. I mean, I will for the sake of changing things up on later playthroughs, but no. I’m not going to go on a rant or anything, but what you’re saying it pretty offensive in a number of ways. Pray, be cautious…
Also, it does matter in the sense that I need to enter into a heterosexual relationship in order to recruit a character. With a (pseudo) self-insert character, that is. I think it’s quite obvious why some people might be disappointed.
Le sigh* That’s why I always ended up with Anna. She may not be into it, but she seemed like a wife that wouldn’t care if I did some gay antics as long as she could monopolize over it, like selling pictures. Plus…playing on the male version, I always found that there were at least 2 main cast dudes not paired up with any girl. I would honestly rather just put them together than leaving them forever alone.
I understand your plight, but the joke is there, so pray do not take offense.
IF YOU CAN SWALLOW A COCK, YOU CAN SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE.
I avoid the oral stuff, actually…
LOOKS LIKE THE JOKE’S ON YOU. HOHOHO.
I kinda knew that Marriage would come back, but I’m happy for confirmation! What surprises me is the returning children mechanic. I wonder how they plan on explaining it this time (hopefully it will make sense with this story and not be another “from the future thing” like Awakening)? Either way, I’m happy (because more characters=more supports, and considering how the support conversations have been in past games, that’s always a good thing :3)
(*Note: Not trying to be rude here, but I’m just making a point*)
I have to ask, why are so many people getting upset about this? I don’t get it. What has changed so much from FE4: GotHW (or just FE7) for it to get so much hate? Other than getting married during the story instead of the end (and having your children fight by your side), what’s the difference? And no, “Waifus” aren’t a good reason since that has pretty much been a thing since 2007/2008 (yes, I actually looked it up and checked) and it goes where ever (in anime, video games, and manga. Pretty much any fictional characters) , whether people want it or not, and if you aren’t into that waifu stuff, it shouldn’t affect you when playing! Plus, it’s optional, so what’s the issue (unless you don’t like the marriage system or something)? If I’m missing something, could someone please let me know because I don’t get it . (again, not trying to be rude, but I just don’t get all the hate this is getting.)
It’s usually the fandom. Although my guess [and half my reason] is because the whole story behind the children came from the future was a mess. At least in FE4 the 1st generation grew old while you use the children.
I was okay with the children coming from the future in Awakening because it was a one time thing and the first time they did it. If they pull it again, then I’ll be a bit upset. I’m hoping for some sort of time skip for this one.
Same. If it’s a timeskip then wow amazeballs but otherwise it’s disappointing 🙁
But with the previews so far, the parents didn’t look like they aged so…
Yeah, they don’t look older at all. And although I wouldn’t be particularly happy with some other “supernatural” explanation for the kids, I just really hope it isn’t another case of time travel.
or they all drank a Youth Potion lmao
[time travel is a messy plot point to begin with /shudder]
I understand what you mean, but I was okay with it in Awakening. It’s just not a gag I’d like to see them pull again.
ur actually a fuck face
Piss off Ajay
I HATED THAT CHAR XD
The main problem I have with the mechanic returning in FE14 is that the game clearly is trying to be something different from Awakening, yet has to be shackled closer to its predecessor by the mechanic.
At no point has FE14 stated it is trying to be different. It’s trying to be better, and right now better means taking the most popular features of the last game, polishing it and adding more features. If something works you do not ditch it so easily.
I’m making inferences from what I saw. Why would they bother trying two different versions, or making a darker, emotional story (hopefully), or greatly diversifying classes, if they weren’t trying to distinguish this game from Awakening?
The mechanic stands at odds with the story they are trying to tell and feels shoehorned in.
I’ll use an example: Halo 4. That game introduced custom equipment loadouts to multiplayer. The game sold great. The core fanbase wasn’t happy, though. Come Halo 5, what does 343 do? Cut them and try to do a unique experience that attracts both sides. If all they cared about was maximizing sales, they would’ve kept them.
Well clearly that was your mistake then.
First of all, you can’t possibly compare Halo and custom loadouts with FE and its marriage system. One has a solid following, the other has only just clawed its way out of near extinction. Second, Intelligent Systems IS trying to attract both sides. FE Fates looks to have solid gameplay and story (you said so yourself) AND marriage. What’s wrong with trying to have the best of both worlds? And the key word is trying. 343 gambled, so let Intelligent Systems gamble too. It could come out beautifully, we don’t know.
They didn’t say they’re trying to be defferent by mechanics, but by story. They updated the mechanics better for fans of both sides, hell they made to two virsion of the game. Also how do you think video game franchise work?
The thing is, a lot of the FE games have been like this. Look at FE6 and 7. There weren’t many changed made. Like everyone’s been saying, they just took the basis and tried to improve on it. Same with Sacred Stones. It’d be one thing if they were jumping to a new console, but they aren’t. So they make do with what they have.
By the way is anyone gonna translate these posts to english because I want to know what’s with the third page in the fist picture.
YES! YES! YES! YES!
…Meh
I’m hoping this doesn’t become an emphasized trend with FE games, but as long as IS implements the children’s relevance, maybe they can push the story further in terms of depth.
One thing I really I don’t want are carbon copies (especially from Awakening). The first trailer seriously gave me an impression of an entirely new atmosphere so I’d be really nice is this game maintains its distinctiveness among others.
Let me make this clear: I don’t hate Awakening (in fact I’m playing it right now lol)
A new story line, the mechanics are updated to be then the last game. Dumb ass
As of this post, the Report had disappeared. :c
I wonder if children will play parts in the third way, the dlc. Like my father and mother failed to unite both land, so it’s up to me. Years later
If I can’t make gay babies with Rinka then what’s the point
Not that I mind the recurrence of children characters; customizable characters add a lot to the game, although they do make it a lot easier. It also makes it easier to get attached to the characters.
That said, it would have been nice if they did it differently instead of twice in a row. Just off the top of my head, there could be a teacher/student system, for example, where certain recruits can be assigned to an older, more experienced member of your army, allowing them to inherit skills and maybe classes from them.
you’re all just hipsters, awakening was good and the marriage system was the best shytt ever, it made me feel more attached to the game. if you don’t wanna get married then don’t, just be lonely, but don’t say the feature is bad.
Btw guys dont forget that their main target is the japanese audience so even if the west dont like the game that just makes more probable if they make other game it will just stay in japan … and thats sad since we only have cars, football and gun games -.-
As a stand alone game and/or a Fire Emblem modern day AU fanfic sort of thing, I could see myself playing this. I think it’s unique enough to stand on its own merits (really all video games should do that… but y’know…) and who knows? It may get me into Shin Megami Tensei… or something.
At least it doesn’t seem to be just another mediocre JRPG with Fire Emblem themed Lovecraftian enemies……. right?
But a FE game with Lovecraftian enemies would be incredible.
If done properly with a honest plot element explaining thus, than yes it would.
The project clearly has a a great deal thought put into every detail of its theme though, from the music, to the dungeons, to the battle stage and system.
Interested in seeing where these kids really come from.
I have no problems with the marriage and kid system as long as the story doesn’t become stupid because of it (not a fan of shoehorning in time travel and multiple dimensions;Awakening’s way of doing children feels like an afterthought, like most of the game).
It’s one of the few additions to the series that I’m fine with and one of the few things I’m okay with for Fates. Most of the rest of the game might as well just be considered a new IP.
“FErsona” and not “FEMT”.
Just letting it sink in…
It’s more Persona X Persona than anything.
Right now i’m more excited for the spinoff that tries to appeal only to Otakus, Fujoshis and Weeaboos than the new main game in the FE series and it REALLY shouldn’t be that way.
(um kinda off topic sorry ‘~’)
Ok I don’t think I’ve seen a post about this, but I was reviewing the ‘my castle’ video, specifically the part where you are in your room and can chose some to play fire emblem – amie with. In that screen it has some sprites, and some have a ‘heart’ next to them, which i’m pretty sure signifies you can romance and marry them. Three of the sprites have hearts, the first having pink hair, second having green hair, and third having blue hair
the pink haired girl is obviously the maid, Felicita, and the blue haired girl is that aqua/azura girl.
what i found interesting was that the green haired person is Suzukaze, the male ninja that follows you on both paths.
Also, the sprite with the gold and red hair is definitley rinka, but you can’t romance her as the male avatar.
sooo does this mean gay marriage is confirmed for the game? Maybe Suzukaze is bisexual, and can marry both male and female characters? or maybe with rinka you havne’t completed some ‘requirement’ to start romancing her? What do you guys all think?
Ummmm….all I can say is that until further information is revealed, its safe to say the hearts just mean building friendship. Kind of like how the male avatar in awakening would have the heart symbol appear over him and a paired up male unit when their support increased. The heart at this point is used for the universal friendship/bonding symbol. As for why those three had it and not the others….I can probably guess that’s showing those three units are the closest to increasing their support to the nextlevel. I’ll just leave it at that because I sure as hell not going to try and somehow have another Shingeki no Marriage shitstorm happen like what happened in that last post revealing Marriage coming back (Yeah….after all those comments blew up over there I’ve not even bothered to even click that link….at least the starting comments).
Yeah, that makes sense. The hearts could mean the ones you have a close friendship or high relationship with, which is funny cause it looks like he hasn’t been talking with his sister at all XD
we really won’t know anything til the game and the support list comes out… until then it’s all pretty much guesswork :
lol yeah i took a look at that comments page and pretty much clicked right out.
Yes, marriage is confirmed, but the hearts in the “Fire Emblem Amie” aren’t tied to marriage. In a different screenshot, it shows Silas having a heart icon, next to the females. I don’t know what the hearts mean though… Maybe you can only invite that character when the heart is there? Or it shows their relationship is at the highest level?
I doubt gay marriage is in. If there were gay marriage, you’d lock out some of the children characters. Sorry if you swing that way and wanted it to happen. I also thought it might have been possible, but having child characters kind of destroys that idea.
Yeah, that’s what i figured too. Especially if the children are locked to the fathers. Like, there probably is a way to maneuver around all the couples so they all have child, regardless of if they’re gay/straight couples, but that would be way to complicated to implement, I doubt they’d bother.
I’m actually ace, so I don’t swing either way lol. In Awakening I didn’t actually marry off any of the characters (bar Chrom), and honestly I doubt I’m going to do it in Fates either. I guess it’s something I’d more like to see as a concept than actually partake in.
It’s going to be so gut-punching if one of the bosses on either game you have to end up killing (with that character being a character that’s playable on the other path). Then again, it makes for a good game; so bring on the angst!!
“Azura curse you!!” – Skyrim 😛
Seriously, though, Azura would be the feminine form of Azure, which is the shade of blue that the sky is… Sky=Blue, Water=Blue? And also water is usually blue because it reflects the sky….
I just think there’s more connection between Aqua and Azura than that they both begin and end with A… (though that is relevant… not sayin’ it ain’t….)
Aqua, Azura, Icea, Blizzarda, Skya, Dropsa :))
The first time I played Awakening I didn’t know what the ranks meant. I was automatically paired off with Chrom.
It wasn’t until the 2nd playthrough I discovered I could pair off everyone else.
So you CAN avoid the marriage system.
I don’t know why everyone is complaining. If it wasn’t for Awakening they wouldn’t be making anymore FE games.
Exactly!!
In other words, Tiki is Hatsune Miku. Okay.
We kinda guessed as much from the first trailer.
Well, I’m kinda slow.
Marth be like “Shiida! What are you wearing?!”
“Do I know you?”
*Marth shot down*
It’s a good thing that Marth has Chris somewhere in his basement
I really want these in the rest of the world I would spend so much money on it.
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
The time to unfollow (not “unlike” though) the Facebook page to (possibly) avoid further spoilers is nigh…
Man, I was planning on going into this spoiler-free, but I kind of also want to find out how both games work separately…..I guess I’ll stay away from the story spoilers at the very least.
This comment isn’t about the pre-release section but the regular(?) section: The image you put for Nohr Prince(ss) is actually that of the Dark Blood
Thanks. I didn’t even notice that o__o
Let’s see how long I can resist my temptations to spoil myself… I handled myself enough during Awakening, so…
Not to sound picky or anything, but would it be possible to make Female Corrin the Avatar picture for the Nohr page? She’s prominently featured as being the “Nohr Avatar,” based on the Cipher and the case cover images, and it would be a good idea to show both canon avatar appearances in the character section. Just a thought.
That’s a good idea.
I was too tired after sorting out all the pages to think of that : P
hmm looking at the child that looks like Tharja, that gives me an idea that there going to use the top 4 popular first generation characters from the first game similar to how there using severa, inigo, and owain in this game….. except maybe they will be 2nd generation characters this time around instead of first generation characters… just a thought though
get ready mods some of them are streaming the game right NOW!!!!
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
Are birthdays available for this game? I’d like to know!
A+ rank for same gender? Does this mean paired endings, too?
Well this is a whole lot of confusing. We would have to wait until someone actually finishes the game before we know what it means.
Avatar x Camilla hype.
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
Same about the whole no gay marriage thing then.
I hope this means that there are cannon marriages for the characters. Perhaps its unlikely but I think the characters would get some actual better characterization if they all weren’t spread so thin.
i smell the hate is comming xD
…And you find it funny that people would object to incestuous relations?
I may approve of the marriage system coming back.
There is something about the whole incest relationship I don’t like.
…sigh…I watch too much game of thrones…
I’m more mad about the fact that they pulled the whole “not blood related” crap. I could get being able to marry only your Nohr siblings; after all, Aversa was your adopted sister in Awakening and you could marry her (and get the amazing Shadowgift on Morgan). But then they pull something like “you’re not entirely related to your Hoshido siblings.” Which urges the question “why would I side with them, then?” I get that you weren’t supposed to learn this until later on-but that doesn’t excuse the poor writing. They should have just kept them at A rank and nothing more.
Like, I understand that in some cultures, it’s okay to marry, say, your stepsiblings, and even your cousins. But pulling the “not blood related” card is just poor execution.
Considering the Avatar turns into a dragon and none of the Hoshido siblings do, I think them not being blood related might have been the deal all along.
Honestly, I’m not surprised, and legitimately ecstatic about this possibility. Because naturally once you find out about this, it completely changes Kamui’s perspective of the whole thing. In fact, it could even be that Kamui was purposely manipulated to go back to Hoshido. I mean, its possible that the other siblings don’t know about it (certainly the younger ones do not).
Regardless, I don’t think this has anything to do with the marriage system. Considering Kamui can turn into a dragon and none of the others can… well, Sara Jaye said the exact same thing lol.
It was in FE before
ONCE, as part of a villian’s plan, to show how crazy and despicable they were.
and Eirika and Ephraim :^)
oh dont mind me
Please come to check out this t-shirt based off of Fire emblem Fates. 🙂
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/131542358555?
When 2 characters hit an s-rank they can have a baby, that news has just recently been released
Please IS…for the love of everything…
No incest.
Wonder if they are going to change it like how they did for the west, where if you married say Lucina and Owain they would be called life partners or something. Don’t know if they are going to change it somehow, if they do over here, since there are definitely some people who would find it weird if incest was in the game, even though marrying is optional and at the end of the day it’s just a game.
INCEST IS WINCEST!!!1!!
Wait…if the avatar can’t get a A+ Support rank with the same gender…does that mean the avatar can get a S rank with the same gender? EDIT: Wait, looking at the link from that A+, nevermind. 🙁
I kinda wish that they based the child characters on the royals and neutral characters rather than the males in general.
I think that would make it easier to include them in the plot, since it’s all about Loyalty vs Bloodline.
What I didn’t like about Awakening was that the children characters were interesting but didn’t do anything plot relevant, except for Lucina, and she was the only one not optional.
and personally, I would care more about recruitting Felicia’s or Camilla’s kid than I would about Tsubaki’s Cordelia expy daughter. (I liked Cordelia in Awakening and Tsubaki sounds interesting, but I’d prefer someone with a role in the plot.)
Welp, all the characters have been revealed and they look pretty neat for the most part -I can only imagine the supports between Leon and his son-(though the children seem younger this time around….makes it weirder to S-support with them when they look like 12 year olds….or are 12….especially the slightly lewd turn Amie goes once you reach S-support). At this point I just want to know what the heck A+ support means (though the livestream players are being as heterosexual as possible so its going to be a while)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIN7VXbWEAA8zIs.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/madoushikouli
This image comes from Kouli’s Twitter, yup. Believe what you think, also Kouli deserves the credit by all means.
I feel like this should be shared, as people in some of the marriage comments were wondering:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/23/8836513/fire-emblem-fates-same-sex-relationships-nintendo
While it’s only one character per route, it’s a start.
I was about to post that too. Little steps Nintendo, little steps will do.
It certainly is a start. Given how disappointed I was about kids seemingly deconfirming same-sex romance, this is a welcome surprise. It seems you won’t get locked out of the children characters either, which is excellent. Though… how are we supposed to believe that we adopted Kanna when his/her design and class specifically reference the Avatar’s bloodline/pointy ears/dragon-shifting powers? Hmm…
Also I can’t say I approve of the extremely limited options being so… iffy. If Shara is anything like Tharja, she’ll be a morally ambiguous stalker, and Zero is already a confirmed sadist. I really just wanted Silas (bi option available on both paths! It could have been so simple!), but instead they chose literally my least favourite guy in the cast. DARN IT.
From the looks of it, not counting Male Kamui, there’s 20 children, and 22 1st gen male playable Characters. So if anything we could of had the option for those 2 other non-child bearing male characters to be choices along-side with Zero. From the looks of it, there’s 23 female 1st gen characters, so they could have made up to 3 options for the girls. Plus, then again, if the child/ren you get through these are adopted, I really don’t see why that couldn’t work with any other choice.
*intelligent rant*
(inb4 people accusing of making everyone gay/bi). All because the option to hook up with any character exists doesn’t mean that all the characters are gay/bi, they’re only the sexuality you choose them to be. In this case, it would be logical to only have one canon gay/bi character as you can only have one S support. So there wouldn’t be any proof of the others sexualities as S-rank is where all the romance happens for the hetero ships, the same goes for the homosexual ships. Hell, looking at translated FeMU and Shara, you really only get the feel of canon lesbianism in the S-support. Everything before that was pure friendship. So I don’t get why people would go “Oh, you can’t put gay marriage as an option because that means everyone in the game is gay!”, that’s not how the game system works people. This isn’t a stab at them only have one choice per each game, as I can live with that. But like Kipper said….both options had to be the psycho-ones.
Precisely what I’ve been thinking. People say making everyone bi isn’t realistic or that it excludes strictly gay/lesbian characters, but couldn’t we easily just look at it as some sort of Schrodinger’s Sexuality situation? Awakening had the CBA supports remain (generally) platonic until BAM, the S support shows up and sometimes even retcons the previous supports to make them romantic in nature.
In a similar vein, during any one playthrough of Fates, the characters could have had no specified sexuality until they got their S support. I’m avoiding spoilers at this point, but it seems something like this is already happening with the F!Kamui/Shara romance, so it’s already being done! As such, I feel like “making everyone bi” isn’t problematic in the slightest. Instead, it would give players lots of options all while preventing the characters from being written with their sexuality as their defining trait.
I don’t think sexuality is something that should be used so loosely as a character trait. I believe that it’s just as important to their character as their values, beliefs, and interests. If a character is made a bisexual because the artists decided that orientation fits how that character was born and/or views the world then fine, that is their artistic vision. However, when a characters sexual orientation is left ambiguous simply because of the what the player may or may not want, it cheapens the character for me.
Say there is a character named Bill, Bill is an easygoing comedic man. Unless of course you don’t appreciate humor in which case you can turn off that trait and he will become a more straightforward and melancholy type of guy. Clearly, this presents a problem with good character design, as who the character exactly is gets put into question. To some people, this analogy is completely irrelevant, they don’t consider sexual orientation to be on the same level as a personality trait such as “funny” or “dour” or “ditsy”, and they are completely entitled to that opinion. For me though, I’d like to know that a character is oriented towards the way he/she perceives the world, not because the player wants them to be something the may or may not have been intended to be.
I was pretty bummed over Silas too; I still think a small choice (albeit two iffy choices and it has to be the more trope-y characters) are better than no choices at all. Maybe in the next FE there will be more homosexual/bisexual characters, especially if all goes well sale and reception-wise.
Polygon is garbage
I feel like I should post this in here since some people were asking:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/23/8836513/fire-emblem-fates-same-sex-relationships-nintendo
Might as well give a bit of good news in this thread.
I feel like the gay/lesbian option should be available for both genders in both versions, but it’s still a good thing that the option exists at all.
It’s not a big change, since it’s only one option each, but, hey, “small actions have ripple effects”
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
Excuse me but I was wondering if there is any information if North American release will have the same special edition bundle that comes with all three routes/games?
Does anyone have an answer to my question?
There is literally no confirmation on anything. So no. We don’t even know if we’re getting the games discounted yet.
No confirmation as of right now.
On another note (since I already talked about the main topic enough), looking at the character designs, I’m actually pleased that they’re more diverse this time around than with Awakening. Judging by the livestreams, both paths are indeed different enough to be called separate games. I just hope the discount price goes over here too.
*after the fact*
Holy Crap, I can say for one I am genuinely surprised with how things turned out in the game. Something was revealed about the whole royal family situation thing and I can say it was the last thing that came to my mind about them.
Now we just need to figure out what the A+ supports entail. If they are simply the same sex marriage/coupling options for other characters than the protagonist then I’ll be happy. I’ll be rather upset if they’re all just “best friend” routes.
It’ll probably be something like very close allies. Like they’ll make sure the other is okay on the battlefield in a story like sense.
Essentially if there is a paired ending with A+, it’ll be something along the lines of bros for life.
I don’t see it being anything but “BFFs” – I assume they’ve included this because you could only get the best stat boosts when characters were married, but you would think friends could achieve the same boosts anyways.
I actually prefer if being BFF.
I want same-sex marriage in this game, but I would find weird if every character could turn straight or homo depending on the player wishes.
I prefer the notion of each character having their established sexuality – be it straight, homo or bi (but yeah, I hope the day will come when there will be more than one homossexual unit so you can marry them and no just with the avatar). For this reason, I really hope Zero and Syala are only available for same-sex marriage.
Yeah, I think that’s what they’re going for, and I hope that too. I think that it would be odd for everyone being able to flip either way.
The kind of friendship where all of their other friends think they’re gay for each other but they ain’t. They’re just super tight.
Friendships>>>>>>>romances
What I’m really worried about is the censoring/butchering that may be incoming with the skinship lines when S rank. Any word on that?
I know the three paths will be awsome and the tactical theme of the game should be the main aspect and it´s getting overshadowed by all the marriage thing, which I do not really apreciate. But unlogically, I like all the characters and their children so much that I do not think that I will have enough files to save and marry all the guyzs… and I am going crazy.
Well, now people can stop complaing about whether or not it’s gonna be separate in the west, because there’s your answer. Good news though for people who wanted same sex marriages I guess.
Anyone know who Syalla is?
The girl who looks like Tharja
It’s the Japanese name for Tharja.
Actually, Tharja’s Japanese name is Sallya; Syalla (Shara) is the new character.
I actually have a few concerns about how Nintendo is handling this:
1) I’m pretty sure that the west will complain about the fact that the only two same sex options are psychotic
2)literally only two same sex options, one for each game which makes the way its split is even more limiting for character relationships
This is just my personal opinion but i think it would be best to add a few more options into the mix (at least 3 more in each game) so that there is more personality balance with the same sex options instead of literally saying “in all your army there’s like only one gay dude you can choose, everyone else in the world is completely straighter than virions arrow”. Belka is a perfect example of another person that could have been a same sex option. Meanwhile this game has a fuck ton of incest (full on brother sister incest at that), which makes me honestly wonder, why is it that the options for us are that limited?
I was a little upset too that the same-sex options were for the more trope-y characters, but I think this is still better than nothing. If FE: Fates does well, it may spell for more same-sex marriage options in the future. This is just out of curiosity, but why did you think Belka would be a perfect example of another character who could have been a same-sex option?
her defining trait is that she likes strong girls, then again it could just be a case of simply admiring the strength in her fellow ladies in battle. I’m guessing her case is just a matter of perspective? Idk honestly
I thought it was Camilla who likes strong girls–the main reason why Belka is her subordinate. But I see where you’re coming from. Thank you for answering my curiosity! c:
I thought the same as well, until i read and researched a bit more, from my understanding Camilla is possesive of the protagonist (i paid a liiitle too mutch attention to Treehouse and i kinda regret how much Ive spoiled myself with plot related stuff that I should have saved for next year). this summer is really gonna be rough on everyone with all the spoiler circling around, and i plan to avoid them as much as possible 🙂
I just read Male Kamui x Zero’s S-Support….and by god its so precious! I thought it would be pretty dumb considering Zero’s a raging Sadist, but it turned out to be pretty sweet/adorable. Granted, its probably really similar to the hetero S-Support of Zero, but the addition of extra lines consisting sexuality really made it sound all the more realistic.
haha~ just read it, i honestly thought it was gonna be terribly made but it’s so freakin’ adorable! if they transfer it like that when it comes out to the rest of us in 2016, then i take part of what i said back 🙂
Do you have a link to the S-support conversation between Male Kamui and Zero?
I found it somewhere in the spoilers forum and that thing grows pages by the minute. So sorry, I don’t have it….I know its somewhere on there.
It’s good to hear that (and thanks for not spoiling it for me and the other users on this thread; I really appreciate it.) By any chance, have you read the support for the same-sex marriage female character?
I did….but I don’t really remember how it went. But I know that Shara keeps to her character throughout….not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.
Hm… well, consistency isn’t bad? I guess if anything I’m wondering whether or not she’s an exact clone of Tharja’s personality but I guess I’ll just find out next year when the game comes out to NA regions. Thanks though! c:
Fire Emblem Awakening and Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War both had cousin incest.
Not to mention that with the right combination Lucina could marry her nephew, gotta admit not really complaining of the fact that there is incest present, I’m really complaining about the fact that there are only two available same sex S supports while there are six s supports (from what I’ve heard) with blood relatives. Keep in note I can’t really count the Nohr siblings and kids cause they aren’t blood related to the avatar, however its understandable when people get iffy simply because they were raised to love each other like siblings.
Leon and Aqua can S-support and it was confirmed that Aqua is Garon’s daughter.
Welp, that makes it seven.
There is no brother on sister incest.
In this installment of Fire Emblem, there is. You can S support any opposite sex sibling, blood related or not you can go for it.
Except no blood relation, so it’s not incest.
How is there no blood relation when Kamui can literally marry Ryoma, Kamui’s biological older brother? If you are talking about the Nohr siblings then you are right but the Hoshido siblings are Kamui’s biological brothers and sisters… ergo they are blood related cause they share the same parents.
I could say more, but I guess you haven’t heard of the spoilers.
They are half siblings. Still incest
Nope. That’s incorrect too.
come on, spoiler me
Long story short, Mikoto didn’t give birth to any of the Hoshido siblings. Not any of them.
Well shit. What’s the point of joining Hoshido now
That was supposed to be the hidden point, that you’ve been lied to and that you’re really a pawn to both sides (well people are revealing it now so it kind of kills the point for choosing that side). Though I would still advise for people not to directly spoil stuff outside of the forums. Because spoiler tag functions don’t work here.
Oh, then the very last part of my first comment is invalid now, so basically the other children are from a concubine, correct? Few, thanks for informing me, gives me a better perspective on the games situation 😀
Ok but seriously though no more spoilers people might get a heart attack XD
Dude, incest is incest whether you’re related to a person by blood or not, since you’re raised to believe those people are your family. Saying that it’s not incest because they’re not really related harms real life people and families who adopt children or are adopted. It’s basically saying “the family that chose you to be their child isn’t really your family” which I’m sure I don’t have to explain why that’s so hurtful and disgusting to say.
well another achievement for LGBT community *clap clap*
i looked for the Fire Emblem if special edition rom in baidu and i realized its size is 1.69 gb, how is it possible to be two times bigger than awakening while both games included have lower size than the previous game? (awakening was 2gb) that worries me
First off the game just reuses tons of assets, if you have one version you have pretty much all the data. I doubt that their is 50 GBs of original content to separate versions.
But both games contain many original maps with their own assets. They both have their own CGI cutscenes (and there are a lot of them). Last I checked the carts were 3 gb each so something’s off about the rom.
A lot of that data is shared between. They do have some unique maps though. Although designing maps is not very labor intensive.
http://www.ebay.com/usr/derrivder
Come and check out my custom Nintendo T-shirts!!
Day one buy is totally contingent on my ability to get the special edition. I can buy that, sure got it, good day one I snag it from my pre order. If I can’t fuck it like 100 JRPGS will launch in the same season including SMT X Fire Emblem.
Do we know which cards are in each Starter Set? Since I’m assuming not all Awakening characters are in it’s Starter, and vice-versa. I want to get a deck, and am leaning Marth’s series, but Anna could tip me over into getting the Awakening one.
I’m happy we finally can be gay and all, but what about the children? Do you just… not have any? Adopt one?
Kamui’s child Kanna will be adopted for these S supports. I think zero’s child will also be adopted, maybe as a whole or just for his gay S support, too. Syalla is already a child character, so you can’t have an additional child with her anyway.
I also believe that this time around, instead of the mother, the child you get is dependent on the father.
I’ll wait for the overpriced copy that has all 3 routes on one cartridge (or at least the first two with the third as DLC) for $90.
Or I’ll wait for them all to be on sale so I don’t have to pay for more than $50-60 for all three. I can’t get myself excited for this one though, despite being an FE lover, since this just isn’t a real FE to me. More like a spinoff for casuals and anime fans (I’m also an anime fan, so I still will be getting this).
That same sex marriage is awesome news though!
Just wondering, but how is it not a ‘real’ FE? What even constitutes as a ‘real’ FE game?
Oh boy, going through the live feed thread I accidentally came across something. Without spoilers, Lets just say the “choice” aspect goes even farther than just simply choosing your path. Like holy crap, this is actual serious stuff, as in decisions that actually have an outcome on the game (compared to Awakenings pointless “Should I let her live-or-not” option, when Emm still commits suicide either ways). So asides from the….anime additions, don’t worry, this game is just as FE as the rest, hell, even more in some aspects.
That sounds pretty awesome, because the choices Awakening offered were basically just two different endings. (Both endings were pretty happy outcomes anyways. Thanks for not spoiling any details, by the way. c:)
I agree that the art style and the characterizations aren’t like previous FEs, save for FE13, but if anything, the mechanics are still rooted in a turn-based system where you move your units one by one and there’s a weapon triangle to consider. There’s some adjustments of course (the Attack/Guard stance feature, durability removed, stat modifiers on weapons) but FE still has its basic foundations mechanics-wise. (Let’s not forget supports!)
I guess this is just my personal opinion, but as long as FE keeps those core features, it’ll always be a ‘real’ FE to me.
Let’s just say the games for the most part aren’t as optimistic as awakening as. Actually scratch that, there’s a ton of mood whiplash in this game because of the my castle and main story.
What games? The other FE games?
The only thing that constitutes anything being a “real” part of any series (whether Fire Emblem or otherwise) is it being set in that particular universe and remaining true to established canon/lore. Like for instance in Fire Emblem’s case, I would argue that it wasn’t really much like Fire Emblem if just anyone was able to pick up Falchion and wield it.
So we get Same-sex marriages before we get skintone options? I see your priorities Nintendo.
As cool as that would be, if there were skin tone options, who would believe Kamui is related to the Hoshido royal family? For the sake of this story, Kamui has to show believable relation. Of course, hair colors don’t count since FE characters always have whatever color they want.
So? Same sex marriage doesn’t make sense in Feudal/Medieval society (yes i know its an alternate universe) but that didn’t stop them from adding it. I and many other players would be willing to sacrifice practical continuity of the story for more options.
That “So?” is the point. I can understand people saying this about Awakening since Validar’s skin-tone was….(I have no idea what race he goes by) rather interesting. Along with the fact if the avatar went with Basilio or Flavia, Morgan wouldn’t have a different skin-tone. So in those cases, they could of used the directive imagination to actually allow different skin-tones. But Fates is a whole other deal as Kamui’s “True” parents are already set with their race/skin-color. So Kamui being born as a completely different race/skin-color would be a sacrifice on continuity.
You and those others are letting what you want cloud an obvious genetics attempt that’s on par of horrible fan ficition writing. Now if you and other people wanted Kamui to have different skin tones while not changing his race (ala Vaike being majorly tan), then that I can understand. As Kamui doesn’t have to be pale beyond belief as he is right now. I mean its not like he couldn’t get a tan or whatever along the line.
But to completely take away common genetics all because its an alternate-fantasy setting is not good support (for genetics, not lifestyle choices. Because FE always took place in an medieval-era, but never once was it stated that it was “THE” medieval-era we all know. So real-life comparisons can only go so far when history obviously worked differently for them as it does here). Fantasy does not overrule common science. Fantasy can take over science, but not just outright replace the blueprints.
The most obvious support with this I can give is with Pokemon x/y, where they allowed you to choose the race/skin-tone of your character. That’s because only the mother was revealed, so without the father, there was nothing concrete in what race your character was. But Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, you didn’t have that option because both parents for both characters are known.
The only thing I can say is that if they do decide to continue on with the Franchise, that the next game the MU won’t have any, or at least 1, parents revealed, so they can actually have creative freedom with the skin. The only thing I can say is that instead of people complaining, they need to get a big enough force to bring this to the attention of Nintendo’s Eyes. Because do you honestly think Fates would even have the homosexual option if that huge petition (albeit failed one) wasn’t brought to their attention (the Tomodachi Life one). That showed them that enough people were actually ticked off about the forced hetero-relationships that we were being forced upon in video games.
You don’t need to win something to actually win. As SVU usually says, “The real victory is exposing the other person for what they really are to the world.”
With Nintendo saying they want to make a game that reflects the people who play it in a diverse manner, I will say the not inclusion of skin tones goes against what they said (though Fates kind of has a genetic excuse). So either you or someone else needs to use that point and create a petition or whatever and bring that to their attention, but to merely compare one video game minority to another (Japanese Videogames at least), is not the way to go. I would have more concrete points to say but at this point I would just be going on-and-on.
Only what I want is important, screw everyone else.
Which is exactly what the petitioners were thinking.
And no one is more right than the others. We all want certain things from the game, so I would just be happy for the people who have the features they want instead making snide remarks that don’t benefit anyone. If you want that feature then make your voice heard the same way the other people did. Nintendo said in the statement that they heard about the request for same sex relationship, so they’re including it in the game.
Separate versions…not a fan of the “But you can get the others for DLC!” option. But I won’t mind too much if I can get a presumed Collector’s Edition. I just want all three versions on one cart, not one system.
Wouldn’t this be like a 7 gb cart though? That would be hugely expensive to mass produce. Though the special edition is possible I guess.
What was the TCG promo card in the Special Edition?
[…] a character is. The folks over at Serenes Forest have already compiled the growth rates for all classes and characters , which you need to add together to obtain the full growths for a character in a […]
[…] Fuente. […]
I’m happy about this even if our gay options are limited. This bodes well for future games, in my opinion.
On another note, I’m finding out some rather grim spoilers. Though considering the source for them is TVTropes I wonder just how true they are. Unless SF or the FE Wiki says something, it’s probably just wild mass guessing on the main pages.
But what happens if you wanna reclass to your spouse’s class and it’s locked like Songstress for example?
How do we know they’ll become locked at that point? Maybe my Azura, since Kamui will be marrying her for me, will be able to reclass into a Nohr Princess.
That’s a good question, considering Songstress/Singer is one of the handful of gender-locked classes. My guess is that it just won’t be there.
Well as the way things are turning out by how different the campaign’s really are, I will take their word that the 3rd path is going to be a lot different (potentially new maps or whatever) .Mad props for Kibayashi’s daughter who essentially motivated him further to work on this project.
Some people managed to download the 3rd path early and a lot of the missions are different, taking place in another country. The story is very different too.
thanks for the confirmation!
Considering “Black Kingdom” became “Conquest” and “White Kingdom” became “Birthright”, I wonder what “Invisible Kingdom” will be localized as.
Based on the numbering (New Mystery as the 13th game, Fates as the 15th), it looks like Fire Emblem BS is officially a main game.
What would BS be? FE12?
BS is FE5, it was released in 1997 after all.
Yeah, BSFE is FE5 according to Nintendo. To be honest, Nintendo remember and forget about BSFE all the time, so the numbering system keeps changing by one.
In the game code, Fates is 15 though (Awakening was 14 and New Mystery was 12 because they didn’t count BSFE then).
I ‘m gonna make a guess of the 3’rd path name from what we know already. My thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but hear me out first. :3 Let’s see…
FE If: Black Kingdom is FE Fates: Conquest since the Nohr like to seek glory.
FE If: White Kingdom is FE Fates: Birthright since the protagonist was born a hoshidian.
I’m guessing that FE If: Invisible Kingdom will be either FE Fates: Eclipse, FE Fates: Twilight, or FE Fates: Chaos (or possibly none of the above, but we’ll see in due time). I think that due to:
1.) It’s a path that you wouldn’t really see at first (it’s kinda hidden or obscure) since you are pressured to choose between the two families/sides. Eclipses are only seen when the earth, sun, and moon are aligned. What does that have to do with this? Think about how eclipses work. Do eclipses happen often? No. Are they easy to see? No (not really anyway). Ok, now think back to your decision. Is the third choice easy to see? No. Would the two sides think you would choose neither side. No. A bit similar, don’t you think? (Hopefully how I said it makes sense!)
2.) Since you didn’t choose either side, you will probably be hit from both sides, which will be chaos!
3.) The 2 versions are kinda giving off a “Light and Dark” side kind of thing. What’s between light and darkness? Twilight!
4.) Maybe, just maybe, you’ll build your own kingdom, and (or just try to) fix the other two. In a way not easily seen by others.
While I try to give a explanation for each one, the first one speaks for each one the most (sorta). Again, my thoughts may seem a bit farfetch’d, but it’s a possibility! I like to think out there, you know what I mean? Now, what do YOU guys think? :3
so, if i buy the eShop version of the Game… i got both versions at the same time?
if so, THAT’S GENIOUS!
There’s something of note for European players in this Iwata Asks on the Nintendo UK site.
Any time the interview addresses the games being sold separately there’s a disclaimer footnote that the method of distribution in Europe is NOT finalized and will be announced later this year. So we MAY get lucky and get all three games on one cart!
Thanks, I didn’t even think about that and I live in the UK, haha.
When two characters marry, each character can reclass to their spouse’s base class (using a Marriage Seal). For example, if a Knight marries a Ninja, they can reclass to a Ninja.
I find this to be an interesting way to get skills…. wait…
Isn’t there a way to steal a streetpassed unit’s skills and give them to your version of the unit? This is suddenly much more interesting to think about.
Yes, you can buy skills for the same character after defeating another player in My Castle. That’s the only way to get certain skills on the Avatar…
The author’s last name is actually Kibayashi.
Bond Units sounds interesting. More things to do when you meet with your friends.
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
I don’t live in Japan (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
No Flannel or Nishiki badges….the sacrilege!
Gotta say, that necklace looks pretty damn nice.
Can someone please tell me who is the character between Ike and Chrom in the pictures with the Lords? is it supposed to be Morgan?
I’m pretty sure that’s Lucina; do you see that hint of her shoulder armor?
I was about to say it’s part of Chrom’s armor, and then I remembered that he dosen’t have a armor on his right arm. Hahaha.
I guess it is Lucina, but she looks more like Morgan in this for some reason. Maybe I need a new pair of glasses. Hahaha.
I think it’s just the hair color; Lucina’s hair looks more black than royal blue in the picture.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Please for the love of GAWD tell me when can change the voices back to japanese! I have Rosetta for learning japanese but have been lazy and haven’t made it past unit 2 but if this game doesn’t allow voice change i swear i’ll finish rosetta before the game comes out and by myself a japanese 3ds and this game(s ; provided we get 1 version)
Man I wish I lived in Japan! Or really wealthy.
Nice! Now let’s hope sales over here are equally good.
Has there been any mention of additional DLC besides the “true path” one so far?
Not officially, besides that “there will be some”.
Unofficially (via hacking), there looks to be a similar number as Awakening. The best known ones are a beach DLC and a DLC involving 3 Awakening early-game characters.
Hm, that’s interesting. I guess my wallet’s going to lose weight again; thank you!
Getting my copy delivered tomorrow. 🙂
It’s great that the sales have done so well for the 1st week. Hopefully it continues to sell really well over in Japan, and when its finally available in the US/EU it sells even better if not around the same.
🙁 I wish I could get my hands on this stuff, it looks fantastic and I am super jealous.
Wonder if anyone will scan those cards, or post the music…
Anyone know when pre-orders will be available for Western copies?
More cards with artworks ;A; I’m crying. I want those so bad.
Lmao the Lords picture. No representative for 7? Welp I guess Roy was enough :))
for the nohr character introductions why did u put build 1 Fem avatar because the default is build 2 fem avatar u can even see
in the picture above and wikia
Really hoping they bring Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn to the Wii U.
You can still play Radiant Dawn on the Wii U since its a Wii game. But yeah, PoR definitely needs to come out. Or ecen better, get an HD remake for WiiU like WindWaker.
Well the problem then is getting a hold of the games for non-ridiculous amounts if you don’t already have them. Or, in my case, have to replace a disc. It’s not that I have a problem paying the money but I’d rather give it to Nintendo straight…
Ditto for me. POR works fine but my copy of RD is dead.
You mean a remake of a 25 year old game.
I meant at the time of Shadow Dragon’s release, but I guess it sounds a bit strange : P
No you’re right, it makes more sense that way.
Screw Nintendo and their lack of 3ds classic FE ports.
Question, in today’s update, it said that Dragonstone+ was a magic weapon, does this mean the damage it does uses the magic stat, not the strength stat, like in awaking?
Oh ****… it’s that artwork. Ogma’s expression just ruins it.
I have so many questions for that artist.
Why isn’t the cavalier on the left wearing pants?
Aren’t Caeda’s fingers going to get chopped off in that position?
Why aren’t the princesses on their mounts?
Why does Minerva look like she’s walking out to get the paper in the morning?
What on earth is going on with the shape and proportions of Ogma’s sword?
AHHH
That’s a very… unfortunately drawn piece of artwork.
At least the official artwork of each character looks good.
Can someone please answer my earlier comment.
If somebody knows, they’ll probably answer. Unfortunately, I don’t have that information right now.
Actually, now that I think about it, I think they meant that in the weapon triangle, it is with the tomes and swords, since the dragon stone has a range of one and has always been calculated based on the strength stat.
Pretty funny that he draws a French maid for an event in France.
Would’ve been nice if we had gotten Heroes of Light and Shadow, since it fixed a lot of things wrong with Shadow Dragon. Or at least, it was a more enjoyable play than Shadow Dragon was.
I love stuff like this <3
Jealous beyond belief right now….*patiently waiting for the artbook*
My wallet needs to pick a god and pray for 2016. ;;;;;
When are we going to get the full official artwork for every unit?! So far we only got the ones from Kamui, Aqua, the siblings, and now Felicia.
Can I purchase these on the 3DS please? >_>
It makes too much sense for Nintendo : P
I guess for Shadow Dragon, you can buy the DS cart and play it that way. For The Sacred Stones, it was meant to be exclusive to 3DS Ambassadors, so that’s why it’s not on the 3DS for other people.
Anyone else wondering why Soren looks so fat…?
Hopefully Path of Radiance is one of the first GC games released. I’m sure that Radiant Dawn will quickly follow; the only reason its not on Wii VC yet is likely because they want Path of Radiance for GC VC first.
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
-heavy breathing, using a paper bag-
Senri Kita, Sachiko Wada, and Yamada Kotaro artworks. /crying
I sent an email asking for an English release. They replied by saying, “I plan to publish the English version someday.
However, I think that the very time-consuming.” So let’s keep our fingers crossed.
You should have asked him if he needs help with the translation, I’m sure some of the FE community would help with that for a faster release to the west.
The Japanese language isn’t among my skillsets. And I couldn’t speak on the behalf of people whom I don’t know.
Yeesh…missing out on good things like these…never good. Although, maybe there are better things.
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
Yay, we can play Last Story and defeat biohazard!
SPOILERS Xander and Ryoma use the power of the dragonstones to become SuperXander and SuperRyoma and defeat Biohazard in the outrealms, but Xander crashes into the earth and is presumed dead.
Camilla finds him years later as an amnesiac and they team up with a golem to find Garon
Gods, I am Sooooooo curious, like what’s the general plot, will you be able to access both hoshido and nohr classes and characters? How will the maps or general game mechanics differ from the two other stories, what is with that crazy landscape in the trailer, is the kingdom really a underground faction or something since the protagonists fell down a cliff to it? TO MANY QUESTIONS!
I can answer some of the gameplay ones : )
You will get access to the majority of Hoshido and Nohr’s character, classes and items. Not everything, but nearly everything. The maps appear to be mostly different, with the first map and the latter third of the game taking place in the Invisible Kingdom.
Cool, but now I am slightly worried at what classes will be in the third route so I can plan ahead… Also, it was never really said, but will the Avatar have access to all classes on their respective side like in awaking, or will the avatar be limited in the classes?
You select the class you can parallel seal into when you create your avatar.
Samurai fighting next to Myrmidons, Fighters next to Oni… could he cool
wow!!!
…Well that was fas—
Dragon’s Gate
[s]Elibe confirmed[/s]
The dragons were inter-dimensional explorers and made many Dragon’s Gates: the one on Valor, the little Outrealm Gate south of Ylisse which obviously still functions… I must say those dragons really favoured southern isles to put their gates on… Maybe some sort of longitudinal law that requires the gate being somewhere near a planet’s equator……
…So this headcanon thing. XD
T̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶V̶a̶l̶o̶r̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶.̶ ̶N̶i̶l̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶ ̶h̶a̶m̶m̶e̶r̶.̶.̶.̶
So what planet or plane are the dragons from? Thats been my question for a few years now. And why did they build them in the first place?
I think even the dragons don’t know, like one of those things lost to history… (I would guess Tellius was the first world based on evolution if they are indeed laguz and not lobbed in with the others in that world based on likeness)
B̶a̶d̶ ̶D̶o̶c̶!̶ ̶N̶o̶ ̶s̶h̶a̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶d̶c̶a̶n̶o̶n̶!̶!̶!̶
[…] Radiant Dawn […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
I wish they would come here!
Or at least let us have it via itunes.
I would love to see a blu-ray release that shows a recorded footage of the whole thing.
No Together We Ride? I don’t know if I should be happy or upset.
It’s there, listed as “Fire Emblem Main Theme”.
Anything not orchestrated bgm games of FE [9/10 below] in orchestra is going to be great huhu
Winds Across the Plains tho. Talk about nostalgia omg
And Life Returns! Are they going to bring the singer/s? I hope they both bring Leanne and Reyson/Rafiel’s singer and have them do duet. Their voices were lovely.
[…] Awakening […]
The passing of a Titan, it really sucks to see a great man such as him disappear so soon, only at the age of 55…
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] months after its unpainted prototype was showcased at the Winter Wonder Festival 2015, Good Smile Company’s 1/7th scale Cordelia figure is now […]
Already pre-ordered it. 🙂
Of course they had to take off her chestplate..
Welp, this is what it’s being reduced to, I suppose.
I’d rather have her go the all-natural route than having her wear the “+2 sized plate”
In all fairness (and assuming you’re criticizing what I think you are), the justification I’ve seen for her chestplate being separate is that they were going for a training scene. Then there’s the consideration that she would actually look bustier with it on, and that this kind of cleavage armor would work pretty poorly in reality.
If didn’t know that’s her design with out the armor, besides it’s not like she’s exposing anything, Duh dumbass. P.s. Get your dippy brain out of here.
You: “Nerr, don’t say anything about my waifu. You’re such a dumbass, I don’t want people that prefer modest styles. Gtfo, baka!”
Tse.
No, you’re a dumbass for complaining about the armor. Also if social media wasn’t created things like waifu wouldn’t been used so much. Also you fe fans would like the game much better with letting the internet rule your life. Duh dumbass
im still salivating
I really don’t understand what they’re talking about when they say a SRPG dosen’t have Atlus’ “spirit” in it.
Especially because Atlus made not one, but two Shin Megami Tensei SRPG spinoffs. (Majin Tensei and Devil Survivor)
And Devil Survivor 2 actually had a system that was like the Social Links from Persona 3 & 4.
It’s also a shame that most of the Mirages are going to come from Shadow Dragon and Awakening. I don’t have a favorite character from these games. :
Well,since they specifically used the word ‘most’, I will dare to say that at least some of the more famous characters from other games have a decent chance of appearing, like Ike,Lyn and Roy, for example.Awakening and Shadow Dragon are just going to be the majority.
Also.I will not be surprised if Atlus releases a Mirages DLC down the line.They did it for Shadow of the Labyrinth, after all.
While I can’t read the original document, I’m not sure that they intended to imply that being an SRPG meant it wasn’t something Atlus’ can do well, but non-strategy RPGs are surely more in their wheelhouse. Either way, going for an SRPG would draw more direct comparisons to Fire Emblem and Devil Survivor, and if they felt it wasn’t going to stand on its own well enough, it makes sense that they would significantly alter their plans.
And while I get their reasoning, I feel you on the Mirage origins.
It sounds like they were focusing too much on making it a Fire Emblem-like game, rather than something like the Megaten SRPG spin-offs. I’ll take a look at the original text again though.
I wonder if they already have concepts for some Fates figures…
They were accurate with the feet, though.
Pay closer attention to the base. The one without water, her feet are clearly visible.
This kind of sounds similar to Hyrule Warriors. Koei Tecmo wanted to create an Adventure Zelda game like the main series, until Miyamoto urged them not to and stick to what they do best (action games).
This more traditional RPG style is what Atlus does best so it’s nice in my opinion that they’re sticking to their strengths.
I’m glad they’re focusing on FE1 & 14,the Tellius and Elibe games have enough attention as it is. And it’s only fitting that Marth’s world takes the spotloght~
[…] Genei Ibun Roku #FE […]
[…] TearRing Saga […]
Hmm, interesting. Can’t wait to try this out once it’s released.
Yeah… I may have just tried to throw my hat into the ring. Hopefully google translate is decent.
Is Shouzou Kaga going to attend FE’s 25th Anniversary event?
If he does it will only be as a member of the audience.
Hard to really say. As far as I know, he’s had virtually no contact with the series for a really long time.
Kind of bizarre though. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a developer distancing himself so far like this. Usually most hang on to something in a way.
Man, I really wish someone would do an interview with Kaga about the whole FE thing. I want to know if he resents Nintendo because of what happened. I also woul want know what he think of the Post FE5 games.
I already have Tharja Figure and want this one too but I have nowhere to put it in my apartment and I lack of money right now -_-
I really want Kaga’s clear opinion on what he thinks of FE now. I bet starting Vestaria Saga is a sign of maybe he’s sick of what IS has done, but I could be just biased. But where this goes, I’m keen. Still… you can’t replace Marth and Ike.
If anything, he’d be pleased with FE14
There is 0 way of telling that.
I think it was Kaga who invented all that *Waifu Emblem and Children* with FE4:Genealogy of the holy war ?
Also, FE14 is looking like FE Gaiden, imo, so there is that.
I don’t think FE4 can be used an example. The art styles between then and now are obvious, FE4 was Japan only so people who played Awakening as their first never heard of FE4 (Probably) realized that this was an easy waifu emblem and the game back then was no anime trope compared to Awakenings.
I don’t think it has anything to do with FE. I think it’s just a hobby. This doesn’t feel like the whole Mighty No.9 or Bloodstained situation.
Or maybe he just wants make games again like back in the day. This guy lived in japan for years and he have seen japan grow try different things besides if social media wasn’t created you wouldn’t be complaining about fire emblem, stop acting like you’re a true fan because let me tell you something you’re not, japan had fire emblem way longer than you and yet they still love it the only reason you even know fire emblem is because you played smash brothers. P.s. If It weren’t for smash, fire emblem wouldn’t came in other words you Americans are nothing more than irrelevance.
Lol. Social media has nothing to do with this. Punctuation needs help and so do you. It’s hilarious that you think you know so much, but you’re just a self insecure, ignorant and arrogant little weeb child who failed at life. You know nothing, you’re just like any other immature person, cause I’m not ‘Americans’ and you didn’t realize that. Nor can you actually realize that FE has sold more in the west the past couple of releases or it would have died if it was Japan only. You never knew I tried to play the first FE, but impossible cause it was Japanese now could you. Stops you having the right to judge. I mean if the Americans are so irreverent than I guess Reggie will take all that money back and Nintendo will have nothing. You’re a genius Delvin. And do you know what makes me a true fan to the series? I hate FE14, but I’m going to buy it anyway ho ho ho. *Drops mic*
1: social media make up words like waifu or weebs.
2: you could have said American not Americans.
3: you reused the same insults for two sentences.
4:not really, games in it’s own country can handle it’s own.
5: there are other countries nintendo can sell their products to.
6: here’s the fun fact you hate the game , but you haven’t played it yet, that’s not a fan that’s just a dumbass thinking.
7: japan had the game longer than you, derpy you’re just a pretender fan like everyone else on this site, you guys are nothing more than faggot posers.
Herpa derp duh
Actually, IS was planning to release Fire Emblem in the West was not because of Smash. It was because of the success of Advance Wars. Marth and Ike were supposed to be removed in the Western release anyway, but NOA decided to leave them in.
Does anyone know what engine is the best for making games like Fire Emblem? I’m having a bit of bother looking for one.
You could hack a game, which is the most common way to create a game, but it’s kinda complex. I think there are some tutorials around the net though. There’s a program for RPG Maker XP called FEXP, but the creator of it is creating other engine for Microsoft XNA, called FEXNA, but it wasn’t realeased yet.
Thanks! Does FEXP have a RPG Maker VX Ace counterpart or are they compatible? I’ll have to check out Microsoft XNA. I was wondering would Unity be a good choice but I’m not entirely sure where to start if I did use that
I really want those merchandise… ;m;
Definitely looking forward to his game more than Fates. Hopefully we’ll get an English translation and hopefully he’ll create his own battle and map sprites, rather than use the stock ones provided by SRPG Studio.
Oh shut up you’re not a real fan japan had fire emblem way longer then you guys, the only reason why you’re playing fire emblem games is because of smash brothers, in others words you and rest of Americans are non-important.
I will be attending this Saturday. Surprisingly there are still tickets for sale.
Can I ask for your impressions of the event afterwards? : )
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Awakening […]
In retrospect, Awakening’s DLC maps were mostly all disappointing wastes of money (I bought them all), so it’s unlikely that whenever I get around to buy this game (once total price for the full game is less than $50, rather than $100) I’ll be buying any of these DLCs.
EDIT: Then again, it seems the first one lets you have an item to promote a female character (why only female?) to Master Lord. I think that’ll be enough for me to at least get the first DLC; no need to do RAM hacking for my ideal MUs like the Rapier-wielding Master Lord I wanted Noire to be in Awakening. The Lodestar item for males seems stupid in comparison though.
It’s Lucina’s outfit, so basically it’ll make any female unit Lucina, and make any male unit Marth.
(I’m not going to check it out until I get my copy for spoilers ‘n stuff)
The only series that I go crazy and splurge over for DLC is Fire Emblem so I don’t mind the ridiculous DLC… But I’m just incredibly and hopelessly into this series. More sensible people would forgo the DLC.
Haters gonna hate?
Yeah, no matter what.
You know Agian, if don’t like it then what’s the point of talking about it? A dipshit like your self should not be waisting time reusing the same line as always.
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
I want one… It doesn’t matter if it is plastic. I really want one.
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] Binding Blade […]
[…] New Mystery […]
I’m just REALLY jealous right now to not be there and witness all this myself. ;m;
Or maybe it will be the fourth version of the story.
Maybe it’ll invent some random dragon boy character who will shove Kamui aside and take lead character… that’ll be the fourth story. XP
Now this is going to be worth reading, specially since we don’t see manga very often with Yusuke-san as the artist! HIS ARTWORK IS SO COOL!
IDK but this Chrom’s falchion looks way better than the one that AWE made.
Probably because this one is much more accurate.
*Cries even more* I have the money, but I don’t know anyone in Japan who can help me. ;m;
Use tenso.com
I’m dying over the fact I cannot listen to the music. I bit they did a piece from every, single, game.
GIMME BOTH! @3@;
Seconded 🙂
Kaga is forbidden from the lips of Nintendo staff. He’s always like his isolation anyways. Since Gunpei Yokoi’s death, whom I believe was his only friend and mediator get what he wanted from Nintendo. After his death, he no longer had his way with the company, and he was under Hirosh Yamauchi, whom didn’t allow anything past him. Also I think Kaga wanted his name as a copyright, Nintendo does not let that slide. It’s a complex situation that I’ve been meaning to explain in a nice biography for these top tier people. I find it funny neither party mentions each other after he left. Even in an interview with Famitsu near the release of Tearring he kind of just acts like nothing happened.
[…] teased during February 2015, the Marth and Caeda Nendoroids were on display at the Summer Wonder Festival 2015 held in Japan […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Mystery […]
region lock noes!!
Wow, how anything as limited as that necklace can go through an entire concert of fans, get listed online, and still be there over a day later is beyond me. Not that I’m complaining, since it means I was able to buy one myself, but with only 700 I expected it to sell out within minutes of being listed…
I was mildly surprised. Perhaps the necklace is too pricey for most fans and scalpers probably think it’s too niche to stock up on?
So is Fire Emblem Cipher and codes a Japanese exclusive?
“Fire Emblem Cipher” is a trading card game (played with actual cards), so you can import from Japan. The 3DS home theme codes can only be used on Japanese 3DS systems.
[…] Path of Radiance […]
[…] Binding Blade […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
Getting Byakuya definitely. I skipped out on the first one but this one is HYPE.
Pretty good. I was just about to make a lengthy post about my experience there as well. I guess I don’t have to anymore lol. Nice find, Vincent.
I or no one has anything to show. I’m surprised at this moment there isn’t even a teaser video of the event from Nintendo. In fact, nothing other than the latest game has been published since the concert. If you want my recordings, please ask Vincent for my email, and I’ll send a few. Or all. Sorry for making you my agent Vince…
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
Okay there were like 2 prompts before the download, I didn’t know what either said and I picked the top option and the right option, were those correct? 😡
If you got to the download screen, you should be OK. I’m assuming the top options were “Sleep Mode Download” and “Complete Download Now”, while the bottom option was “About Sleep Mode Downloads”.
Well the thing is there was two set of prompts, so I feel like one of them or both may not have been that…
I wasn’t ecstatic about the performance. I did miss most of it, mainly the judgral series arrangement, which I feel is heavily neglected by Nintendo. Without the guide, it was fun trying to guess what track they were arranging. Sacred stones was actually easy, and it I my least favorite, but I’m glad Ikuro picked out the best themes, which was a few. Lyn’s theme winds and plains had a nice long and looping play out.
I would have used my camera, but when I look out into the crowd and not see one device light up in their palms. Now that is a well dignified crowd. Although…. I did record sound. I do have the interview and various arrangements recorded if anyone would like a preview taste of the event. I don’t know how good my phone is and I haven’t listened to them
I’d love to see the interview segment.
I’d love to here a few samples of the songs. Could you send them to me through email or somethig?
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
The thing I like about these DLCs is that they scale higher in difficulty as you beat more chapters. Making you actually work for it and earn the rewards.
Really? It isn’t just the permanent 1-Star to 4-Star Difficulty? Me likey. Me likey a lot.
So no nightmare mode Future Past levels that require way too much grinding?
I’m in.
Which day did you attend Haru? Only pictures allowed to be uploaded. You’ll have to get them from me via email.
Was Life Return played with the singer? or it’s just purely instrumental?
Omg CD/DVD please, IS!
FINALLY.
“Please skip to page XXX for the 3rd Path”
Why did you not mention Zelgius from FE9 and 10 also is a mii fighter now?!?
awakening is way too overhyped to the point any mention of older ones gets obscured…
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Awakening […]
Black Knight was also added as a costume.
I wonder.. Does all DLC from fates are for all campaigns?
Yep.
[…] TearRing Saga […]
This is going to be one fun game. 🙂
Evil dragons and emperor, why of course :p
“Seven Sacred Rings”.
Ah hah hah. I see what you did there.
Hope this is good, and it’s cliched premise is made to be subverted and/or deconstructed.
Here’s hoping; Thracia 776 was the Anti-Fire Emblem 1, where Leaf’s made out to be a reskinned Marth, except instead of victory after victory, you get captured, retreat, defend, your Jeigan is taken from you early on and left out for 9/10ths of the game, and you don’t resolve the continent’s crisis at the game’s end.
I would LOVE that kind of tone here.
Looks simplistic enough; maybe a 3DS port… sometime… maybe?
I got nothing.
3DS port to every FE game pls.
[…] Weapons and Bonus Stats (though, you can find a handy resource for that over on serenesforest.net) […]
i hope it gets a translation
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
I think something bad might happen to our poor little trainee.
Oh well, at least she will promote?
Fucking yuri pandering.
They didn’t say anything like yuri, they’re mostly just spin off characters.
Also they’re enemies
How does that mean anything?
they could be DLC chars for Fates xD
Not really
Ooohhh boom
Nope.
[…] Weapons and Bonus Stats (though, you can find a handy resource for that over on serenesforest.net) […]
I was not liking the screenshots at first. Kaga really has balls to be using data graphics throughout his career, but he should really move up in polygons a little. Given how un impressed I am with the screenshots, I did like the clichéd gameplay so far. No matter how hard he tries, it feels like Hikari no Tsurugi covered up by new names. I thought he was going to use a different artists but look like same old Hirota to me. And the music is certainly, Tsujiyoko style, though I feel it’s most likely Hirotoh Saitoh’s orchestration. Some of the themes are deeply entranced with the story development. I wanted to mention that both Berwick and Tearring had music similar to Fire Emblem almost to the same arrangement of notes.
Also to make note, Kaga or his staff has made the youtube account on Aug. 6, posted the video four days ago and has 35000 views. I believe that the youtube presence is what spiked his site hits. Strangely and annoyingly, they left no details on the account, and no comments can be placed. This guy is truly erasing his traces. As infuriating as his public habits are, it’s what I love about him.
Couple more things, the back ground art in the discussion scenes are almost exactly like that in Radiant dawn. Even the color scheme is too similar. hmmmm….
And copyrights are to Vesteria Project, although I think Kaga doesn’t want his name on it for exposure.
[…] Not all the artwork is exclusive (sorry, I lied); some characters use their Awakening DLC artwork. […]
OMg now we need translation of the poems and my life is complete <3 ty so much!
That Alvis one looks awesome!
Thank you for sharing this! ;w;
[…] Weapons and Bonus Stats (though, you can find a handy resource for that over on serenesforest.net) […]
Thank you! This is super cool, even though I was looking forward to a Hector card… ;___;
I miss his card too…
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] Gaiden […]
So does series 3 not have Radiant Dawn characters?
No, series 3 is only Path of Radiance and Fates characters.
nope but It’s pob just a matter of time like with Mystery of the emblem
God that Soren art is sexy! I need that deck
Catgirl spotted!
Their sexualizing FE outside the game? Yep. It’s boned.
Um not really these characters are exclusive for the card game, they were created as a card game host like any other spinoff. Also I don’t see any specializing here. Duh dumbass
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Path of Radiance […]
[…] Today marks the anniversary of the day we launched the new Serenes Forest site. […]
Just one minor nitpick: please make the Serenes Forest logo in the top left link to the homepage. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried clicking it out of habit from other sites.
Yeah gonna have to agree with you. Besides that, though, I think the site is great!
i can’t view the forum although i’ve made an account…. please help
I can’t wait for this to come out west!
Dear god I want them they are gorgeous
[…] Binding Blade […]
Don’t flatter yourself, VincentASM. We can thank FE6 for this site’s existence, but not because you like it, but because FESS was literally made in response to FE6.
If only this game would get the mother 1 and 2 treatment, i wanna play fe6 in english legally soo bad. Also slowly withering away as i wait for fe fates lol.
The problem is that the whole Mother 1 treatment is because Nintendo already had a translated version of Mother 1 ready, a long time ago, but they didn’t release it on the NES due to various reasons that I’ve forgotten. Binding Blade, on the other hand, never had a localization team working on it so there’s no version of the game that’s been officially translated. X’P
They didn’t due to bad marketing. It would be nice if we can finally get an official translation of this game. =)
Mother 1 localized was the best thing to ever happen in a long time in North America. Let it happen with Fire Emblem 6 and Mother 3 now, Reggie!!!!! 😀
Away with the emulators.
Even on the Wii-U pad, it has a save stating option.
sadfasdf
Binding Blade is still my favorite. Sure Roy isn’t the greatest lord and compared to later GBA titles even it seems a little primitive and also it sticks close to the FE1 formula… but in the context of playing it as a sequel of FE7, it was awesome… Maybe I’m overstating the game (and some of its characters that I love) but it holds a special place in my heart… I guess.
Hey Nintendo! You brought Earthbound Beginnings over. Think you might throw us a bone here?!
Considering how FE is known now, they should really try remaking the older games (like 6-8) essentially like the pokemon remakes. Updated graphics, updated character designs, implementing some of the newer mechanics. Heck, if there was a FE8 remake, but with extra chapters in it and characters to make the game longer, I would so be all over that.
They started going that route with the DS remakes but they weren’t particularly successful.
That I realize was a failed attempt because the mechanics just weren’t that good. Like why would they make it a thing to have you kill off your own units just to recruit more people? Considering it was the first FE, the plot itself wasn’t grand. But the GBA’s actually picked up the slack. To this day FE7’s story is probably one of the best for me (also they made some side characters still relevant throughout the story). Plus it wouldn’t hurt to have the Awakening/Fates crowd to experience the older titles and realize that awakening wasn’t the first FE. Bringing back MU to an FE 7 remake would make sense among anything.
It’s implied Robin IS the tactician from FE7 so that wouldn’t make particular sense in my mind. Plus, 12 was more successful than 11 but was never released outside of Japan, and had many new Gaiden chapters you can access without killing off your units, introduced MU, and had a much better and fleshed out plot featuring MU and a subplot revolving around a new character. In fact, literally every “new” concept from awakening except the pair up was in 12 in some form, so 12 is responsible in many ways for the modern series, I do not see any more remakes happening at least for a good 10 years or so
The mechanics of some people being scared of perma death. Fire Emblem 11 was the treatment to it. Since they don’t give you enough promotional items to befit a team unless you connect to Wi-fi which is gone now, (So codes is the only way that you can get them now.) you have to use about 12-13 units each playthough which that is what you’d normally use per Fire Emblem playthrough. It’s actually unknown as to why that it didn’t get localized when it actually sold well in NA.
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/25700/fire-emblem-shadow-dragon/
(Sales)
you can order it here http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEODAI-9343 and here http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEODAI-9456
[…] Mystery […]
[…] Path of Radiance […]
omg if only i had money
I hope they make cards featuring some of the laguz.
They already showed a Lethe card a few weeks ago.
If you count remakes as the original games, then that makes this the last game in the series I hadn’t played aside from Fates. I’ve been slowly picking up the Japanese games through VC and also got New Mystery a few years ago in Japan. I absolutely love the GBA FE games and while I’d kind of want a remake, I like the style that is used for them so I wouldn’t really want to see it changed.
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] Genei Ibun Roku #FE […]
If i’ll pray to Lucifer instead of YHVH will Atlus announce characters outside of Shadow Dragon, Mystery and Awakening?
Shadow Chrom looks more like something from what SMTxFE should have looked like than the Persona game it turned into.
Here goes my hope of seeing it make an appearance on the US/EUR Virtual Console. Since it wasn’t released I assumed that they were working on doing so. Oh well we still have the translation 😛
Also Vincent, it’s also my first FE game that made me fall in love with the series too. 🙂
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] the Unused Content page, under the “Dark Dragon and Sword of Light section”, there was the following statement […]
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
That was… pretty interesting. Kind of pointless, but interesting.
Can you post them more often? (if there will be any) Maybe not on front page, but create dedicated thread on forum?
[…] Dark Dragon […]
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
If they do end up making some DLC based off of these results….I hope they exclude the royal siblings for the cutscenes. They all already had their chance in their version of the Summer Scramble. So that would put top favorite none royal siblings (except Azura) to be:
Males: Joker and Odin
Females: Azura and Oboro
Now I just need to know who their favorite kids were
[…] Genei Ibun Roku #FE […]
Wait… No Sigurd costume? I’m out.
The special edition looks cool. Obviously we won’t get anything in Europe, but at least we may have a physical copy release, some day between January and Half-Life 3´s release.
They need to hurry up, Wii U is collecting dust right now.
Since the box is light blue rather than the black, I expect a CERO B rating at its best.
As the game is unrated in that image, I doubt that they’re putting the cart before the horse. They’d obviously want to make sure of the game’s rating before packaging it with that rating.
And lets also hope that none of the content, ie, script as well as graphics and all, are all intact and nothing is censored when it’s localized!
If they do censor it, everybody can say good-bye to Camilla.
“don’t worry because the standalone “Fortissimo Edition” has all the meat anyway.” So… The standalone “Fortissimo Edition” also includes the 6 character lyric cards, 2 original sticket sheets,and 3 “support quest” download codes?
Afraid not, but you still get the artbook, CD and costume DLCs, which are the most important things.
You could always try acquiring the lyric cards, stickers and support quest codes from eBay or something.
Nah, I’m good. lol
Have a fun and safe vacation!
Have fun!
And welcome aboard Elieson!
Oh wow Elie-san. Congrats!
Oh, and have a great vacation Vincent!
When will you finish filling out fire emblem fates
[…] Fire Emblem Fates […]
[…] she’ll join in a free DLC map like “Encounter with Awakening” or even an “Apotheosis“-style final DLC map (last time, Anna was the final DLC boss after […]
[…] Gaiden […]
[…] Awakening […]
[…] she’ll join in a free DLC map like “Encounter with Awakening” or even an “Apotheosis“-style final DLC map (last time, Anna was the final DLC boss after […]
[…] Shadow Dragon […]
I’m predicting Azura, Oboro, Jakob and Odin in a fanservice DLC since the hoshido and Nohr royals had their spotlight for wave 3.
Yeah, i missed you too. But please, stop stalking me
Have a great vacation, Vincent!
Congratulations, Elieson! 😀
Looking forward to the news.
I wonder if he will present Nintendo directs.
FIRE EMBLEM IF will be coming sooner than expected next year!
Additional good news: it will be receiving a Mature rating, so there shouldn’t be too many changes coming from the Japanese version.
Is this legit?
I just preordered Conquest!
And how would that be good news? FE always was rated 12+, the cringy dating sim elements raising the rating is actually quite dissappoinitng.
Some were worried that Nintendo of America would completely whitewash the game. The “good news” bit was directed towards that audience. Personally, I wouldn’t have minded either way, as I’m fine with anything as long as the core gameplay value remains. Im fine with changes made to the game… All but that gay-ass skinship one.
“Skinshipping”, cringy marriage, children and awful character designs, don’t need any of that.
17+ is awesome so most things won’t change!
The Mature rating is good news because it means Camilla won’t be censored the fuck out of existence
Yeah!
Aw, I wanted him to voice Suzukaze. :'(
…And here I received an email about the second wave of DLC maps, which are hard and based of hard maps in other games… not to mention probably recruiting Anna + ballistician + Witch. All paid of course, though.
…However, you can choose to receive either 1 ballistician class change item or 1 witch class change item for FREE starting October 1.
Awesome stuff. Your boss approves : P
Really appreciate Kyle for taking time out of his busy schedule to keep us entertained (again).
lol, “Puss-in-Boots” *Imagining Validar with that voice* Anyways, kudos for him for doing the “Pick a god and pray”
Aw, so no Kyle in Fates or SMTxFE? Oh well.
Though, I’d have to imagine his voice would at least be re-used for the Awakening map in Fates’ DLC.
He would have done a great role for Saizou or Kaze. .___.
The promo Ike and a new promo female Kamui are in the booster box..
Hey Elieson there’s some fire emblem news you haven’t posted yet, like fire emblem if got the new dlc wave announced with certain character finally being obtainable and the 4 stages that first batch of dlc will contain and new job classes. Then just recently , chrom and lucina got announced for project x zone 2.
I’m prepping an announcement which will include that, and more 😀
https://serenesforest.net/2015/09/19/fire-emblem-fates-dlc-wave-2-and-more/
I hopes anna’s dlc dosen’t cost
At the moment, it’s set to cost 250 Yen. I left that out of my first update by accident, but it’s in now.
You can recruit Anna at the special discount price of all your money!
The Ballistician class really reminded me of Valkyria Chronicles. Never care for the first Project X Zone game, but now that second one has Fire Emblem characters, I might just end up picking a copy up
honestly the anna dlc is upsetting, i never complained about the awakening dlc because none of it was really required to the main game but as i heard, you see anna’s shadow figure in the supports? that’s lame having to buy her just to have all the actual support characters, that aside i’d get all the dlc nonetheless 😛 and it’d be beyond amazing if with all this news lately, we finally get confirmation of the NA and EU release dates hopefully being either january or february cause i can’t wait much longer
though if they went on to add dlc characters that was supportable like with awakening’s spot pass dlc as money dlc, i personally wouldn’t mind that since that’d just be a bonus treat imo.
Hmm…the witches have big breasts…and Camilla has big breasts…Camilla will now officially be a witch class in my playthrough
Hoshidan Peasants: A witch! Burn her!
Me: Only if she weighs the same as a duck.
Hoshidan Peasants: …..
SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!
I have a question. When the games do finally come out will these two waves of DLC be available from the beginning or would we have to wait for them? ( if a third wave pops up before the release of the western version my question includes that too. ) I am asking because i got awakening a year after it’s initial release with all the DLC already available for purchase.
The first wave might be available at the same time as the english release, but I wouldn’t count on them releasing all the dlc immediately.
Intelligent Systems……you knew how many people liked Anna and how many wanted her back in Fates, you crafty, lovable, sons of dragons! ……Although, if I have to pay for the DLC to get Anna, I’m still gonna buy it…darn it…I like Anna too much…oh well. :3
Edit: Oh yeah, also, why does Anna have a bow?
Haha, i did not know that he was the voice of Validar and Fredrick in Awakening. Love his work in Bleach. Anyway, Awesome interview
Cools!
That lance is Gradivus, not Gungnir.
It doesn’t quite match the official artwork of the Gravidus from FE:A.
Was it confirmed to be Gradivus?
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/d/dc/GradivusAwakening.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/100?cb=20130420202246
??? It looks exactly like the artwork to me. Certainly it looks more like Gradivus than Gungnir, at any rate. Just take it from a guy who spent 1100+ hours with Awakening; that’s Gradivus for sure.
Too bad that you don’t get anything else infinitely. -.-
anna’s looking good in this game o.o
I’m not exactly sure what it is, but something about Fates Anna is remarkably cute. She was pretty before, but something about this one is just plain adorable. Perhaps it’s the head tilt.
Could we get an update of this with the actual famitsu scans.
http://personacentral.com/genei-ibun-roku-fe-famitsu-scans-feature-new-characters-and-mirages/
Just leaving this here as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOh6JrbAdOo
Could this be Gangrel?
It was confirmed to be Gangrel in first trailer, though.
And Treehouse event displayed *Gangrel boss fight* at E3 2015
Virion looks amazing! At least I think this is Virion…
Oh! now an official one! Let’s see if the results will be different than in Famitsu or are similar! I already sent a vote for Tankumi
That is quite colorful, I love it!
But still no Jugdral character.
Harold and Charlotte. I wasn’t there to vote for Gregor back when awakening was being a hit… not gonna fail my boi Harold!
Anyone else gonna be shocked if Camilla and Charlotte aren’t near the top of the female list?
Honestly, no. This is more based on the character’s personality and how B.A. they are as a unit and not on their looks (Besides, only so many people can vote based on their hormones). Although, if Camilla’s and Chalotte’s personalities are more appealing than their looks, than yes, it would be a bit shocking.
(Note:If you weren’t implying that, sorry.)
My implication was “because tits”. Although from the little bit of information I’ve seen about them. Camilla’s basically the over-protective big sister, and Charlotte’s a gold digger.
I voted for Silas(Cyrus) and Anna(I have a soft spot for her)! After seeing a few chapters of If (or Fates) Silas seems like a pretty cool guy! Anna is a no-brainier for me since I really like her from Awakening! :3
Hmm, I’m gonna need to vote every day to vote for all my favorites. FE has lots of great characters. My two favorites are Takumi and Leo. And I like Camilla and Hinoka for the females. I guess I like the middle siblings, I am one myself.
i voted asyura and severa, they’re my kind of units
I just noticed something. Lilith isn’t on the list for a selection…I wonder why…
Probably playable dlc down the line.
All I want is for Oboro to win.
I prefer Azura or Matoi
I’m looking forward to this game, but I really wish we had some characters from Tellius and Fates showing up in it. Also, I am so sick of Tharja, I wish she was never in anything ever
Gosh! Still no Jugdral character!
2muchjapan4me
Dafaq is a draug? So we’ll get the whole Ylissean peasent and old Akaneia crew. Good.
… still waiting for a Jugdral fellow
Don’t care for Chrom and Lucina appearing and likely won’t be using them, but I’m sad Tiki-chan isn’t playable.
Voted for Inigo on the male side since he’s one of the very few characters I gave a care about in Awakening, but not sure who to choose on the female side. Might choose Severa, but I wish that dragon fish girl was a choice.
Still no Jugdral, Tellius, Elibe. Just some good, old Akaneian faces and shitty, hipster Ylissean ones.
I voted for Kanna Male and Luna
Dohga is the Japanese name of Draug
For years and years, loads of people on SF have been calling him “Doga” (no H). That’s what inspired my bringing it up!
A Binding Blade, Blazing Sword, Sacred Stones medley? I’m…I’m sad I can’t hear such an amazing combination…
Sounds like such ana amazing time. So glad it was officially recorded. I will definitely buy a dvd/cd of the whole event!!
Woot.
I want it, but sadly I can´t understand japanese.
Looks very promising. What a shame all the characters are so generic animu dudes.
And still no Jugdrali guy
generic animu dudes AND girls. girls don’t get a free pass either. not THAT interesting to look at.
I really like Atlus and their games are great but I really wish their idea for a crossover wasn’t putting the two most popular games in japan in a genre they’re not usually in and calling it a day.
Only FireEmblem is getting that treatment. They’re still doing the dungeon crawler found in SMT
That shit is no Cain at all…
HYPE!
Oh snap! awesomeness!!!
This is awesome! 😀
Kaga doing this out of celebration of the Fire Emblem 20th anniversary tells us that they are trying to make this series a bigger success than before. Especially with all of the bigger fanservice that FE14 provides. The waifu’s and husbando’s will continue to grow alot more when the game comes out in the west. Hope that this game Vestaria Saga gets successful soon!
FIRE EMBLEM FATES POTENTIAL RELEASE DATE??? According to target, it’s coming out 12/31/2015!!!! They literally meant the beginning of 2016 I guess!
http://www.target.com/p/fire-emblem-fates-birthright-nintendo-3ds/-/A-23980558?ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=23980558&ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=PLA_Video%2BGames%2BShopping&adgroup=SC_Video%2BGames&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=c&location=9005583&gclid=CjwKEAiAmeyxBRCJxoKk7IWLl2oSJABvZjhhYVh3qJ09iLvVs-H7H9rWAJDrrnQDx9Ajq9au22EUwxoC81Dw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Eh, looks like a placeholder date to be honest. They do that all the time with pre-orders with no set date yet. Whoever does the web listing probably just selected the last day of the calender. That said I do hope they announce the date soon. I’m having waifu withdrawls…
So excited for this, hope development goes well.
One of us brave souls should volunteer our services to translate this to English… (If I didn’t have my own projects to do… and a lack of knowledge of the Japanese language, I’d do it)
Will we have a separate section for this on the forum as well?
“so we’ll be alright”
*lunatic run flashbacks*
No wonder we lose our memory, lissa gives us a concussion
I WONDER WHO LUCINA’S MOTHER WILL BE
*sumia X keelam intensifies*
Defeated by accidental groping
I’m just going to have a caption for all the pages. pass the time
Ah yes, the accidental waifu when you didn’t know there were other options
Minerva, tsundere.
*Sumia X tharja intensifies*
I seriously need to reconsider tharja as my next waifu.
Wow. I didn’t even know about this. I must have missed this support convo
gaius x lucina??
Trust the pot-head. how else are you going to be gods?
I really want to know where he got that scar
Adorable minervakins
Wait, I’m confused now. Is this before or after recruitment?
Henry ~ Feels
Feel emblem: awakening.
Wait! LITTLE BROTHER?!
I really gotta keep supporting these people before fates comes out
*batman voice* My parents are DEAAAAD
*marth looks down from heaven or whatever they call it in ylisse*
Ameture
I know there’s some kind of song that I can reference here
Chrom! Get back here you useless piece of trash. leave this to the people who don’t suck at fighting
Over already? Gotta go find a webcomic
These better get a fan dub. Two free Fire Emblem games is just too good of an opportunity to give up, and I love some of those portraits.
So sad and heart breaking… This is why I Ship Olivia with Henry. The kid is creepy and mental, yes. But he truly loves Olivia and is a good father. Henry is the only one that could give Inigo such a cheerful smile.
More motivation for me to study Japanese, I guess.
why must all the kana and kanji look the same?!Damn I’m really excited for this. Character art is looking really pretty. Even if he doesn’t plan on commercializing the game, it’d be nice if he released an artbook. I…need to get started learning Japanese. Hopefully I will understand just enough to be able to play through this game next summer, even if I need to look up words every now and then. It’ll be a great way to wait for Fates to drop in price for it’s full version.
We need this card game over here!
Please NoA, take some time out of your busy schedule of censoring everything and consider bringing this over.
If they brought Pokemon Trading Card, I don´t see why not, think they could bring this along with some other things, like the 25 anniversary book.
It would be a good addition for us fans!
Hope that we get this in the US/Euro.
No European release date though 🙁
Nooo, Shibata!
I´m gonna be so sad if we don´t get the special edition in europe
…and it’s gone on Amazon. 🙁
I got it on Best Buy. You can try there.
If I order through Best Buy, do I get charged when it ships?
I was charged immediately after I preordered.
why wasn’t i born and raised in japan and had to be in Europe ….
Finally, after waiting in anticipation for a release date after it’s release in Japan, we get a release date that is pretty close. Definitely getting the bundle.
It sold out at Amazon and Best Buy.
Awesome! 😀
We finally have a confirmed date. But…most stores have already sold out of the Special Edition packs. Keep your eyes peeled and hope that more come soon.
Now we can dream of getting it until we get for real!
It’s available at gamestop
Edit: It sold out by lunch time but some locations are still accepting preorders in store.
Really wish I would like to be in USA to buy this right now!
Anyone know where I can preorder it in canada? (the special edition) Been searching sites and only found the separate games for preorder, and nothing on the special edition…..
Best Buy Canada’s Gamer’s Club tweeted that they were working on getting it onto the site, but they had no idea when exactly it would be up.
U wot m8? Dafaq wos dat
Good I thing I preordered this game along with Legend of Zelda Twilight Princes Hd which will com with a Wolf Link amiibo
I know the release date was gonna be in Febuary I just thought it was gonna be the 16 or 18th
what about the digital version?
I think that maybe, we could see this game in ours country when the new FE will be release…
If any of you are still looking to preorder the special edition at this point, It is still available at game stop however you have to preorder it in-store, hope this helps 🙂
Ugh. I swear all the games I want always come out later over here in Europe… It’s like they have an agenda against me -.-
Don’t get carried away. For a time America was being the last to receive good treatment and even been skipped over in favor of a European market. I remember IGN writing a nice article about this which I should look up.
That reasoning just sounds petty, to be honest.
Still on sale at EB Games Australia. Currently selling for $199 AUD for a placeholder price. Meaning, they dont have a price for it, but needed one to fill the blank space until then. I managed to nab a pre-order during the first hour it went up, for $99 AUD. For those that like tin foil hats, $199 and $99 are in Australian dollars. $99 AUD is $141 USD and $199 is double that. Again, placeholder prices.
Wait, there’s an actual /game/ attached to this cavalcade of moeshit, vapid fanservice, and empty catchphrase-bleating?
At least the gameplay and graphics look superb. For the scenario… You’d better get used to that Ylissean nonsense or go back to Jugdral
Awww man! I was waiting the whole Nintendo Direct for new SMT X FE info (and possibly an English name) and only Japan got it! Well, at least this site is around to give me the info I may miss because I wouldn’t have known about this news otherwise! Thank God for Binding Blade! ;3
Nice to know that dark spells will include more than just instant death
It’s available on gamestop online once more, just reserved my copy of the special edition.
So much uncharted potential…Am I the only one with an urge after seeing this? I can’t chose between wanting to read them and wanting to write them.
Glad they started to show what the game is actually about, combat-wise at least, since most of the stuff that’s been shown has been the whole idol thing.
They’ve been showing enough combat stuff, it’s just no one notices.
That would get in the way of their complaining
Glad to see more of the game mechanics being revealed. Can’t wait for this game to eventually make it over.
I’m not all for free work, but Kaga has made an excellent point. This priceless creation is filled with his soul, something that I’m sure has hampered his creativity for his earlier work and the entire industry. All creative fields and humanity can learn from this. I would only like to give one message to Kaga-sensei. Slow your roll. Take your time with it. I don’t want any rush or push, as I sense he is putting some tension for his new twin babies. As to the cut scenes which are exciting. I would hope he would allow someone, like me, to make some video adaptation of his story.
It’s Bloom Palace, not Flame Palace.
Thanks. Evidently I was too tired after cleaning up today.
I like how they’re finally going over game mechanics, even including Class Changing.
Best Buy Canada’s Gamer’s Club tweeted a reply tho ‘check back tomorrow for Twilight Princess and Fire Emblem SE’ so here’s hoping it’s coming soon to BB Canada!
I just recently noticed something! The japanese version of this game is exactly the same except that it has a holographic card of Marth in it, being replaced by the pouch in this one. Does that mean that Nintendo or Intelligent Systems has no plans on releasing the Fire Emblem Trading Card Game?
Ohhh i hope we get a translation
I think the “sweet bird” is actually SWEET BARD.
Ah, now this looks familiar and nice.
I think the “Feria” in Nurse Feria should be Ferrier, as in to ferry, carrying people or things from one place to another. At least it makes more sense to me that way.
Why everyone’s sprites are different? Are they made from different artists? They should have gone with just one artist, well, of course, I shouldn’t be so critical, but it feels weird to play a game done by multiple artists! I like the design of the main character BTW!
Again, being this a project of free time and devotion, I doubt any one person will be giving a majority. He is reusing a lot of his own material already. Of course, anyone would like to devote their lives to this wonderful living creature as I would. It’s better to have a variety of sprite. I’m sick of the fire emblem generic sprites for all same classes. Every character should have a unique look, feel, growth, and animation. Although, I would say that his character artworks, assuming its Ms. Hirota-san, are looking flat. She needs to spike up her designs. Like Kotaru Yamada or FE4 designs.
Hey Vincent, Agro here. Do you think Savant might actually be Servant? I also think Sweet Bird might be Suite Bard? Given the character uses magic, it wouldn’t surprise me that the class is a Bard (Kaga seems to think all bards are magical). I can’t remember how FE writes Bard, though.
Hey, thanks for the suggestions. It could be “Servant” indeed; it’s hard to tell from the lack of context as I’m sure you’re well aware. Yeah, “Bard” is written like that in the FE games; “Sweet Bird” was just the most common phrase I found from searching the whole thing together.
Not sure if its a Japanese to English translation, but the “literal” japanese names for Chrom’s classes are マスターロード ＝ ”Master Lord” and オーバーロード ＝ ”Overlord.” I don’t know if its always been that way in Japan and just localized as “Great Lord” and “Conqueror” outside of japan, so if its that has always been the case then that’s all cool.
Yes.
The only instance of Overlord in the series was Walhart from Awakening, and that was localized as Conqueror.
Still no release date for Europe and Aus. The anticipation is killing me.
Wait hold up where can you pre order the special edition because I can’t seem to find it. Or am I just blind.
You can either pre order it at gamestop, amazon or bestbuy but I think they’re sold out, FOR NOW!
gahhh that’s what they all say, thanks tho
I know it’s hard to deal, just need to keep an eye out to it! You’re lucky, because you still have a chance of getting one, not like me, because I don’t live in USA!
LOL. True but it’ll eventually come out in Europe or you can get it through Amazon.
It’s not that simple, I live in Venezuela and right now with no dollars because I went there last august! Actually, what I bought was a nintendo 3ds with fire emblem awakening as my sole game!
Damn that sucks. Well hopefully it’ll come out sooner or later throughout other places of the world.
I recommend calling your local GS stores and see if they have them since they keep ones for stores to put preorders on, from what an employee told me. That’s how I got mine, called and then went in.
AH I see thanks a lot. I’ll try that out i guess.
Wait, Ike can’t learn Aether? That’s his skill! Chrom and Lucina may have stolen it, but that was his first.
Ike can learn Aether
Good catch! Ike & Lucina share Aether. I completely missed that. I’ve added that piece in. Marth and Lucina still share Charm, though!
Alright, cool. That makes a lot more sense.
“They also received a Fire Emblem If version of the New 3DS XL, which includes custom cover plates and a 16GB microSD card.”
Isn’t it a new 3DS not XL?
The New 3ds is an XL.
EDIT: I stand corrected 🙂 They have non-XL ones too!
Actually no it isn’t. I have one of these, and it’s a regular New 3DS.
Huh, I didn’t know they made non-big ones except for like the Animal Crossing one with interchangeable plates! Welp, the more you know~
Only in NSTC regions.
Didn’t know this! Thanks for the correct info!
Thanks for the catch! I’ve updated the article accordingly. How did I even whiff this; the picture shows New3DS right in it!
how can i have the collector edition in Asia? nintendo really prioritize NA…. im sad
“One last neat feature is that communicating with each amiibo unit and choosing to not engage in battle with them allows you to receive a gift in the form of a promotional item used to promote to their particular class.”
So its actually possible to get those special classes? Is that true and do we have proof?
I’M ALWAYS A SLUT FOR FIRE EMBLEM
i voted for Marx <3
*Xander
Love the new artwork.
Shame they didn’t release those as wallpapers : P
Same.
Agreed!
i am not angry but why do people keep doing this ?? forget the main chars and give the others some spotlight of course everyone likes the the royal brothers and the main char this is just kinda sad D: if the votes were without them the results would have been
Male: 1.JOKER,2.ZERO,3.ODIN
Female:1.OBORO,2.FLORA,3.CHARLOTTE
^awesome
How’s it sad? People voted for their favorite, it’s not a “side character popularity poll”.
its an opinion …
sad because i think that some chars get forgotten because of the royals and since the royals shine so much in the story people tend to like them even more so some chars are at disadvantage 🙂
Well, that’s probably the case. But I’m sure once the game hits the west, people will have the chance to get to know the characters including the non-royals.
Eh, these results aren’t too bad. Could’ve been far worse.
..Might even be the best possible result, looking at these character designs.
I see the northern part is somewhat cut off according to the trees, but the player and enemy sides are caught in the corners suggesting its a complete map. If this is the true map size, then it may take 5 hours like he says with the enemies trick moves and changing objectives.
I’m surprised Takumi was the #3 male character. I thought he was the most hated character (judging from what I’ve seen online #BlameTakumi). I know nothing about Takumi though, so please don’t post spoilers.
Apparently, he’s totally beast in gameplay, so that may be a contributing factor.
Also, I’m pretty sure “BLAME TAKUMI” is more of an English-speaking meme from the streams. In the general survey a while back, a lot of respondents talked about liking Takumi also, so I don’t think Japanese players have anything against him as a character. (I know the poll was technically open, but it was on the jp website.)
351 pages and I probably can’t read a shred of it. I can’t wait for the fanslators to graciously share their translations with us (You included, Vincent!)
Should I even bother in getting it then? I mean, I want it, but if its mostly gonna be shared online here + fan translated…
Of course everyone loves the Female Kamui
Was that not to be expected
*Corrin
*Corn
Localized name = ^
Reviews are in and honestly i can’t believe more than 90% of the book is Awakening/Fates content. Why bother with Sigurd on the front cover and advertise it as a “25th anniversary series book” then intelligent systems…
There’s no doubt there will be few to no infos about Jugdral since Yokoi died and Shozou Kaga went doing his own business. It’ll just be FE’s story after the 1999 shift.
I am still interested to see how they managed to screw up Binding Blade so badly though, so I may take a look at it when the translation will be available. I love how they are proud of Awakening’s story even with the fact that it was pathetically written.
I agree. There’s probably no way of talking about Kaga games without Kaga himself… Considering also it’s pretty old and the old staff probably moved on anyway.
Why must all of this stuff be released in Japan Only? 🙁
R.I.P Navarre
May your soul rest in peace
Yeah, that’s right. Every character that appears in this game has been surgically removed from the main Fire Emblem series, forever tainted and never to be seen the same way again. Just like how Link now has to wear a scarf in every Zelda game after Hyrule Warriors. Because that’s how spin-offs work. Dirty, rotten third party developers.
You could just sum up to “never to be seen the same way again”.
I think you are overreacting
agreed
How coute that Oboro and her crush ate both in 3rd.
Still no Jugdrali character
I was under the impression there wouldn’t be any characters from games other than Archanea and Awakening. Even if there were, Jugdral would probably be the last choice.
Thank goodness for costumes, I’m getting rid of Tsubasa’s horse ear outfit at once.
I just noticed the main character’s face in his artwork…my god, he looks stoned…hell, looking at the menu sceen, some of the other characters looks like they have been up way too long.
Totally going to write these now.
For real?
Well… 😀
If you come to do any heron, or Rhys x any female, would you consider positing the links here, then, please?
Forget this : please, add the links to all support that you write, in your post here. *__*
It would be really wishful thinking to say that Fire Emblem doesn’t use a formula… tweaked here and there but the idea of a teenaged guy who stands to inherit some land (more often or not a prince… even Ike was probably going to inherit Griel’s fort) being the main character (or, in a stunning modification, only one or two of the main characters!) is basically what makes Fire Emblem’s spine. At a basic level, Ike, Roy, Ephraim, et al are very near interchangeable (it’s only with development that these characters were breathed any individuality).
It’s part of what makes Fire Emblem Fire Emblem, I suppose (though what *really* makes it are the secondary or tertiary characters that you’re not supposed to care about in other games of the genre)….
Fire emblem is like pokemon, the formula remains the same but we don’t want it to change. They do a great job innovating the game without changing it completely like some other games did.
“Finally, there’s a brief transcript featuring dialogue between Raigh, Ephraim, Eliwood (Ephraim’s father), Aron, Bors and Owain.”
Man, that gives me an idea for a fanfic… “So they all walk into a tavern…”
Damn, a big shame. It sounds like it would have been good. I’d kill to play another Akeneia era game, but he dropped it and IntelSys, then basically had war with Nintendo by trying to continue the Akeneia Saga.. And I bet FE64 would look good between GBA and the GC/Wii era, graphic wise.
The name reuse reminds me of the development of Sacred Stones, when characters had their roles changed, and discarded early designs were reused for other characters in the final game.
It seems to me that when Sakurai says Ike doesn’t have ranged attacks, he’s talking about not including them in Ike’s Smash Bros kit for game balance. He’s comparing it to how Robin doesn’t initially have access to Dark Magic, the point being that the fighters aren’t perfect representations of their actual abilities.
Oh yeah, I see what you mean now. The context is kind of ambiguous.
Samus is the biggest example.
Sakurai seems to like Fire Emblem quite a bit. If he was interested and Intelligent Systems was willing, I’d love to see what he could do with the series after the wonders he’s done with Kirby and especially Kid Icarus.
He’s already did part of the production of FE6. 🙂
(Laughs)
I’d love to see how the next game will turn out if he’s included in the production.
Personally, if he ever got to direct one like he’s done in the past, I wouldn’t surprised if he took a silly approach with Fire Emblem like he did with Kid Icarus. Then again, I think I would look forward to that.
I would kill for those player boxes 🙁
tfw you can’t get them
Was this foreshadowing?
I’d say so.
All aboard the hype train! 😀
I am very happy that Corrin’s in Smas Bros. 4. By the way, including DLC, the number of fire emblem characters in Smash Bros 4 is greater than that of Legend of Zelda characters in Smash!
Fire Emblem has totally deserved this in my opinion! It’s amazing how far it’s come, from 2 reps in Melee and Brawl, shooting right up to 6 fighters, 3 stages between the two games (Hopefully 4 because I really hope Corrin gets a new 3ds stage! X3), Lots of awesome music, trophies and even Mii outfits! All this Emblem love makes me so happy!
But still no Jugdral representation
Seeing Corrin’s reveal trailer yesterday got me super excited. I thought that it would awesome for him/her to be in Smash but knew Fates/If got released months after Smash 4 came out and wasn’t popular enough to be a fighter, ballot or not. So glad that Corrin isn’t a (semi-)clone too! He/she is very unique compared to the other Fire Emblem protagonists.
Wowie! Get ready for MARY-SUE X2!!! TEH BATTLE OF TEH SUES!!!1!!
I remember being happy that they put Robin AND Lucina in there… now we have six. Quite awesome indeed.
So Lucina is a Demon…..I like her even more now. 😀
I’ve gotta say, it’s really nice seeing people who aren’t salty about Corrin being in Smash! XD It’s a nice change of pace!
Uh-huh. I think this discussion thread is the only place where I haven’t seen lots of people frothing in sheer anger. That said, I can see where they’re coming from.
Right now, Fire Emblem does have a disproportionately high number of characters and in the eyes of some, many of them are very similar. I think it wouldn’t be so bad if Ike, Lucina and Roy weren’t around, since one’s a clone and the other two are kind of past their prime.
In any case, I’m happy myself and hopefully the haters will get used to things : )
But Marth is the oldest one, he should be past his prime more than anyone else.. If anything, just having Lucina and Robin would’ve been fine with “Marth” as an alt skin, lol. I say that since of the 6 (8 really), 3(5) are characters from recent games. That said, you can have all of them in fates as partners as well. Best thing would’ve been to keep Marth, keep Lucina as a reskin like she was supposed to be (bowser jr ie), add Robin, and add someone from fates that doesn’t would a wield a sword like Aqua since she’s basically the Lucina of FE fates.
*Azura
Both are light blue colours ;3
But, that’s her localize name.
But it’s still her name. I just prefer her localized name since it’s not so close to asura
Marth is awesome. He is a veteran, he is the 1st Lord in the series, and he is the incarnation of grace and elegance. He will stay till’ Smash 2099 because of his sheer awesomeness. I may prefer Leif and Celice as FE Lords, but I got to say that he is superb, both in gameplay and design.
Never said he wasn’t, I only play Princess Marth and Future Marth when I’m serious. But he said past their prime, when no one even heard of him or fire emblem (myself included) until melee. I glad that fire emblem takes up so many character slots, it’s a great series. Just wish that they added a spear wielder like a sexy new dancer.
I think Lucina as Robin would still represent Awakening but I hope we can keep them all in the next Smash honestly 🙂
It’s great to see another FE character in Smash, but, while Corin makes the most sense, I’d much rather have seen a legacy character included. It’s just that there aren’t any really standout character, as far as popularity outside the series fans, or some character that could be a unique smash character, as all the sword characters are the best known ones. I will admit, Corin does look quite fun to play as.
I had hoped for one of the villains. The Black Knight, Nergal, Ashnard, Lyon, they would have been different enough from anything else and are very well known.
Oh yeah. Completely forgot about the villains. The Black Knight would have been awesome, if they hadn’t already had a mii outfit for him. They just seem to like the lords. Too bad FE8’s not quite popular enough, as I’d love to see Ephraim join the fight with his lances and all.
That’d be better to have a FE4/5 character. Everyone forgot about Jugdral even though Seisen no Keifu was a bestseller (#2 best selling FE in Japan if I am not mistaken). Leif/Celice duo would be so great
Psyched for this! My 3DS broke and I can’t afford a new one, so at least I’ll be able to celebrate the NA release of Fates somehow.
Those DLC missions sound pretty similar to the EXP and money-grinding kind of DLC we’ve seen in Awakening and Fates, so that’s not a surprise.
The revelation of more story and game mechanics is making me even more intrigued for this game.
Sakurai <3
I would totally play a Fire Emblem fighting game! It would be cool if it was in the style of Soul Caliber too! Or a Fire Emblem game in the style of Hyrule Warriors!
I can’t say I’m displeased, but even I can tell the number of Fire Emblem characters is too damn high. That said, the real bloat comes from Marth’s clone (who, to be fair, took very little effort to include) and semi-clone; if Corrin were #4 or 5, it’d be less jarring.
Despite the complaints about “sword characters”, Corrin hits on one of the few novel sword fighting styles left: someone who only uses a sword for part of their moveset rather than most of it. Now we just need dual swords and an iaijutsu master…
Ehhh . . . I think it’s too soon.
So excited to play as Corrin, hopefully in Smash NX we get a villain represented for Fire emblem as were totally lacking one.
By the way, regarding the palette swaps of Corrin, does anyone have any idea what characters (if any in particular) the alternate colours are supposed to resemble?
Ugh, the filthy Ylissean DLCs strike back… Why are devs taliking about them even before the game is being released? More cash grabbing moves. Nintendo sure does follows the trends when it comes to money and questionable DLC practices.
And STILL no Jugdrali character.
the only fire emblem series that have characters appearing are akaneia and ylisse
What a shame
Finally another one of these. I will certainly try to make this one. I REALLY need that DVD from the concert.
Thank you GameXplain! :3
I gonna say, Wymslayers never seemed so deadly until now! Also, LOVE Aqua’s singing! Although, considering how important it seems from all the trailers we’ve seen, it should be! …I’m really happy we get the main theme song of Fates in Smash 4 (kinda wanted a stage too though…oh well)!
Also, Genei Ibun Roku #FE……more US info needed(and an English name)……NOW!
Well actually, people who data mined the game saw that there were 3 stages left! One’s Midgar, The other is Umbra Clocktower, and then we have one more left! So I think there’s gonna be a stage for the 3DS version only!
Oh yeah, I forgot there were 3 stage slots! Thanks for reminding me! I wonder what it could be?! (Maybe Something related to stuff that comes out in February or something we don’t expect…who knows):3
Well, the fact that Fates and Corrin in Smash are both in February, I do have a feeling it could be a new Fire Emblem stage for the 3DS version! Then there will be 2 FE stages in both versions! It could also just be a retuning stage, but my idea is more exciting! XD
If it’s a FE stage, perhaps it’ll be Castle Siege? I mean, that particular stage would fit both Ike (since from a standpoint it’s his home field) and Corrin (because of the very first teaser trailer taking place in an area that very much resembled that particular stage). SmashWiki also has a potrait of Castle Ostia, so this could also be Roy’s home field as well.
Alternatively, they could have Arena Ferox for the new guys (Lucina/Robin/Corrin) and Castle Siege for the veterans (Marth/Roy/Ike).
It would be cool to see Castle Siege on the 3ds!
Yeah! I think Rena did a nice job on Aqua great work on her part. 🙂 I like the voices thus far, unsure who most of them are but looking forward to it nevertheless.
I do like the voice acting for fates, but Sakura’s from the smash announcement was better imo. Elise sounds so much better.
Oh gods, now I’m even more worried about the English dub for Fates. It’s okay from what many of us have seen thus far. To me, Ryoma, Xander, and Sakura sounded better in that cutscene in the Smash broadcast, while Elise doesn’t sound as obnoxious in the actual in-game cutscene. Strange. There are some that I like, Hinoka and Azura, and some that I’m not sure how to feel about yet, Takumi and Kaze. I’ll most likely stay with the English dub to see how everyone else in the game sounds, but I really hope there are some good young-sounding voice alternatives for the male avatar. That laugh had me cringing a little.
Yeah, I kinda wish that Sakura had a voice that made her sound younger, like in the Japanese version, because it just doesn’t suit her design. Other than that, Elise, Hinoka and Azura I think sound great, and Kaze is supposed to sound very polite to contrast his brother so I have no issues there, and I just can’t make up my mind about the others yet. I’m a bit scared to hear what Pieri’s English voice will sound like though!
I’m very curious who these voice actors are.
Elie you’re doing a great job but maybe cut out any opinion/personal stuff like “we’ve been anxiously waiting” or “still exciting”? A lot of people don’t feel either way and a lot of people probably also aren’t fans of the whole spoil-everything-about-the-game-before-it-comes-out-West deal either (though to some extent that can’t be helped haha).
Just saying, whether you take my suggestion on professionalism is up to you.
Wow! I got the Japanese book because I thought they’d never bother releasing an English version… well, now I’ll have both! XD (Still, I really need to just learn Japanese…)
Am I the only one around here who really likes Corrin’s default voice?
Meh, I’ll wait for Amazon to drop the price to around the $20 range. Wasn’t very fond of the art designs in this game, but I haven’t bought an FE art book since the Akaneia Memorial in 2010 so this is probably a decent opportunity if its cheap enough.
Meh, Hector would’ve been far better, but they need Advertisement in there so that they promote Fates. The whole dragon transformation thing for fighting is rather cool though.
For Canadians interested, the preorders have also gone up on Amazon.ca and Chapters/Indigo 🙂
Legit pissed that I can’t buy any of this stuff.
Do they not think it’d sell in NA, not know there’s an interest, or just don’t care about us dirty gaijin fans?
There’s always a way to buy nihongo stuff mang
Yeah, if you can afford to throw an extra $100 CDN at it.
Ah well.
Honestly I’d rather they named him just ‘Nil’ instead of Niles. Nil may remind FE fans of Nils, but Niles definitely reminds me of the brother from Frasier. Not exactly someone similar to Zero. Zero’s voice sounds very good for his character though, although we still haven’t heard it clearly yet, his tone struck me as extremely ‘him’.
Malig Knight is really bad though. I get it’s supposed to be a pun, but it’s not even a good one, and Malig looks really weird on it’s own. So far people have been making a lot of other suggestions, including calling the class “Revenant” or “Reven Knight”, and I really hope someone at Nintendo sees them because they’re miles better than Malig Knight. Even something like Undead Knight. Other than that the changed/altered names/classes look totally fine. I especially like Effie’s name, it’s a small change but very cute :3
“Miles” better. I see what you did there.
While MarXander’s voice might need some getting used to, I’d gladly hear this one over the Smash one! (Shudders)
Just a heads up: Amazon has dropped its preorder price to $24 for the time being.
Well written article! Really is interesting how FE was close to becoming a whole different thing. Guess the remakes did something good by keeping the games what they are.
I actually feel a bit sad that we couldn’t get another view on what Fire Emblem games could have become. The strategy games are fun (and I still play them a lot), but the game mechanics (weapon triangle and durability) would’ve been delightful to see on a “traditional” rpg setting. Granted, the battle mechanics would have to be tweaked for that to truly work, but still…
Apart from that, I believe that being able to play a Fire Emblem title “native”to the Wii U would enable a more organic experience, like the difference I experimented after playing The Sacred Stones and then Path of Radiance. I know the Wii graphical power had its share of making an impression (and just think how cool the spells and skills would look when cast/activated on the Wii U), but I’m thinking here of taking the DS and 3DS experiences to a whole new level.
It’d be cool if another FE console game came out, but I’m happy that at least the current handhelds are powerful enough to compete with the GC/Wii as well as having voice acting. I bought Path of Radiance new when it first came out, so it’s a shame it sold poorly and we may never get an HD FE.
Thinking of that, and Nintendo’s recent trend of remaking Zelda games in HD, we may have some hope of seeing PoR and/or RD remade in HD for the Wii U. Or at least a a Virtual Console version. Those two games really deserve it! (Keeping fingers crossed)
I hope so! They need to be played by more people. Used copies are so rare. Makes it hard to recommend them.
That CD cover looks crazy out of place. Then again.. it’s awakening.
Now they’re cosplay advertising? You never did this with previous Fire Emblem games! You never did this with Eirika, Ike, Leif, Caeda and the most sexy and important of all, Marth. You know what I’m done. Forget it.
It’s all about timing. This is only the 2nd time Fire Emblem has been a Comiket and Fates is the most recent game to be released. Also, I think that’s a booth staff, not a cosplayer.
Didn’t NoA have people dressed as Marth and Caeda to promote Shadow Dragon at some convention?
And of course there will be no music from Jugdral. I may be bitching a lot about the absence of Jugdrali stuff but it is the 25th birthday of the series for naga’s sake! They should be celebrating the whole series, and not only the trendy stuff. This is disrespectful to the people who worked on FE4 and 5 like Gunpei Yokoi and Shozou Kaga, and of course a big dissapointment.
The 25th Anniversary Concert had a whole movement dedicated to Fire Emblem 4.
The 25th Anniversary Concert, as Michael said, had an entire section dedicated to Judgral.
Will this section be present in the CD?
Dat Felicia cosplay is… OMG SHE HAS A KNIFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TzUNti3rY
The layout from the map is giving me FE4 feels…
“it’s extremely unlikely Ilyana and Stefan decided to abandon Tellius at any point in time.”
Well Stefan was a wanderer at heart and Ilyana would go to any lengths for a meal, I wouldn’t put it past them. Well, weren’t the other continents flooded? Unless the waters resided, I doubt they’d leave (well they wouldn’t really leave even if they did, no food there). But yeah, I know they’re probably placeholders anyways.
But, this was for Wii, what do they mean soaring development costs? It’s not like they were developing the game for a powerful and modern console.
Really sad this never came out; it would’ve been rather cool. Also sad that the Tellius series sold so badly and is the reason why we have the “crap” we have now. I mean, FE11-14 are still pretty fun in an NES-early SNES+Mobile Gaming type of way, but the Tellius games were pretty much the pinnacle of the series in terms of gameplay (disregarding some things like crap support system in RD). Considering that FE now HAS to cater to the mass audience crowd in order to be profitable, it’ll never be able to reach that high point ever again. Especially since development costs for Nintendo really will start rising once they start using more modern hardware for their next generation devices.
Sigh, oh well. It’s regrettable, but the games they release are still fun in their own way.
It was a wonderful 25th anniversary year for Fire Emblem… here’s to another 25!! (to start…)
Happy New Year (can’t wait for Fates… can’t wait for Fates… can’t–)
For someone who loves Fire Emblem so much (possibly my favorite video game series of all time), I’ve been very happy with all the Fire Emblem love (and [good] attention) this year! Fire Emblem Fates (Special Edition, please and thank you… :3) , Genei Ibun Roku #FE (I’m hyped for the game, it looks fun…just need to save up for a Wii U first…), Super Smash Bros DLC (welcoming Corrin with open-arms) , the list goes on. This year has been fun, hopefully 2016 will be even more so! (…And I’ll be able to start collecting Fire Emblem stuff now that I FINALLY got my 1’st Job!)
Also, 25 years of Fire Emblem is pretty amazing! Let’s go for 25 more!
Have a Happy Fire Emblem New Year! :3
People stopped complaining about the casualization because we’re tired of complaining. This is what they want to do with the series and we have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to accept it and move on. If you can deal with it then keep playing and if not, there are plenty of other SRPG series with good gameplay out there.
Anyway, next stop for the series is to have a multi-platform release with iOS and Android along with their next handheld. At this point, a mobile Fire Emblem game makes too much sense for them not to release one.
Heh, fancy seeing you here.
Unfortunately FE was quite unique in it’s execution, and my personal opinion is that turning FE into a more generic JRPG is worse for the series. I already discussed this with some other guy, but people can go elsewhere for JRPG’s with friendship solves world poverty and shitty gameplay. As you said there are other SRPG’s, but all of them have grinding. FE was the only one I could play as a roguelike, and it was one of the defining features of the series for me. So now that I lost that, where the fuck do I go to play something like FE if no one makes games like FE? But you know, I’m just an old fan of the series that’s willing to buy the game on name alone, I’m not the target audience. :^)
“Shitty gameplay”
If there’s one thing that’s actually received praise (and quite a bit of it), it’s FE14’s gameplay. Heck, that’s pretty much the whole reason I’m getting it
Then respect to you. All I see are waifufags who are sullying the good name of FE, but eh, I guess there are two sides of everything.
Although I was mainly referring to Awakening since I haven’t played Fates yet, it’s very difficult to pinpoint the depth of a strategy game through videos alone.
Amen, brother.
I can’t wait for the Nintendo Direct for the new year! Especially if it shows off some more voices~ Also excited about the possibility of a demo to tide us over till the release 🙂 Can’t wait to see what the New Year will bring us! 😀
Oh, and another cool (if not unexpected) fact: IGN included FE Fates in their 42 Big Games of 2016 video 🙂
You forgot about the 4 Fire Emblem Amiibos that can be played in Code Name Steam.
What about Roy? Can he be playable in Codename soon when he comes out?!
Sorry haven’t seen that announced yet in Code Name Steam. But Marth, Ike, Lucina and Robin are playable
I doubt it. I think everyone (including Intelligent Systems) has moved on from that game, given sales.
It really was a huge year for FE…my god
This is really cool! FE is, of course, a strategy title first and foremost, but I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Intelligent Systems experiment with other genres from time-to-time.
“While you wince at the new names that you’ll have to get used to”
That seems like a surprisingly negative thing to put in, especially after you put both fanbases’ reactions to SMTXFE as “hmm-ing”. Really, most people seem to ambivalent or generally approve of the names; there are only a few who are extremely vocal in their dislike.
In general, I see author bias and misrepresentation; the arguments about FE Amie were concerning player pandering and selling out to *Otakus*, not casuals. And just because something’s optional doesn’t mean it is non-existent; it still effects the game when looking at things as a whole.
You can go through the entire game without even entering the treehouse.
Sorry, the remark about the new names wasn’t meant to be anything serious. For the most part, I tried to keep the retrospective lighthearted, with a few tongue-in-cheek comments.
Huh, not sure I agree about your second paragraph. The stuff about being optional and selling out to casuals is referring to Phoenix Mode. Then when I talk about FE Amie, I even mention it’s very existence is important.
yeah, I wasn’t a fan of those comments either, haha. I think articles like these are better off sticking entirely to the facts, personally. no offense, Vincent.
For instance, the comment “Even though it was a completely optional setting that most fans probably wouldn’t even touch” indicates a strong opinion from the author that since a setting is optional, it shouldn’t be criticized. Ultimately it’s up to the author how they write their articles, but I’m not a fan of that.
(In this case, I happen to think that in general, a feature being ‘optional’ is no excuse whatsoever for the quality of the feature or the impact on the game and is pretty much just a cop-out to avoid criticism, but I also think that Phoenix Mode really isn’t worth getting upset over because the impact to the game is extremely minimal… ultimately though, that’s a different matter: I’d rather just not potentially piss off anyone by having any kind of opinion in such an article, haha.)
This was such an amazing year for a fantastic series! I can’t wait to see what’s in store next year!
I don’t want a Fire Emblem on a home console as much as I want a Fire Emblem with strong traditional RPG influences. The ability to explore cities and routes in a world as rich and fantastical as FE would be amazing. There have been quite a few large-scale medieval RPGs, however we’ve never really seen what Nintendo’s take on it would be with their heavier emphasis on magic and less graphic violence.
This year started with many promising news for Fire Emblem, but it pretty much ended up in utter dissapointment at the end of the year.
It’s sad what IS is turning the franchise into and it’s even sadder that many old fans lose hope, while most new ones still have a wrong picture of the series.
Lol yeah, seems like the older fans have pretty much lost hope. I’m kind of too deep in to just quit myself, but I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy FE the way I did (or even close to it) ever again, haha. I think the series will probably just continue to be mediocre for me, and there’s not much I can do there, so I’m just going to move on with it. Now that I know where the series is going and have mostly come to terms with it, I’m done being bitter or the like: it’s time for people to either accept it or move on, I think.
(I still think a lot of the issues could have been resolved if Nintendo/IS just renamed the series to something else/made it a spin-off instead of part of the main series, but eh, whatcha gonna do. Fates being a spin-off would have helped older fans come to terms with it while letting it do its own thing–waifus and all–without as much backlash but rather a lot of the flexibility of a new IP, like the Persona spin-off/sub-series that eventually turned into its own thing.)
I’m still not willing to give the series up. It used to be so great, so seeing it turned into pervert heaven is horrible, but..
you know.. maybe they’ll get back on track again? It’d be a huge shame if they didn’t.
By the way, I really like the idea of them renaming the series in future titles, in case they continue making the games how they’re now. Seems like a win-win to me.
I wouldn’t say that I’m mad at new-fans of the series but moreover just agitated. Granted they can’t really play the previous games unless they shell out some money, but at the very least they need to somehow experience how the games were beforehand. Hell, that’s why I said a reboot of one of the previous GBA titles would do some good, but in a more modern fashion (FE7 would still be the perfect choice for this). Because I’m honestly thinking how they can top a new FE game to have more features than Fates does. The only thing I can think of is literally make your avatar speeches VN-style and give them choices of dialogue, which impact the way the story goes to a good degree (and I don’t mean just change conversations slightly, I mean actually have your decisions impact the story). But I guess as they say for the newer fans that are all “Waifu-this Husbando-that”, ignorance is bliss.
That being said, the older fans need to chill. At this point you’re all just going to be weeded out of the target audience even further because clearly you’re not being catered to. FE has to evolve in order to continue to survive. If Awakening and Fates were similar to a T to what the GBA and other games were….than a whole lot of people wouldn’t have played it. “But they’re ruining FE names~!!!” -_- Well they’re not so much ruining but just being annoying about it. If anything its cringe worthy when people don’t know who Hector is and base their prior-knowledge of FE on Smash. But that’s them and honestly if new fans bother you so much then the solution is just to not go on anything comment-based about Fire Emblem. Hell, I would say just quit the series in-of itself if you have so many issues with it.
Moral of this story, it’s weird being a long-time fan that doesn’t really have anything against current FE. Hell, its still one of my favorite series and it’ll take some drastic shit for me to not like it anymore.
Old People: Take the sticks out of your butts
New People: There’s more to FE than SMASH and Awakening
I dont think it’s weird. I’m a long time fan and I love everything they’ve done so far ‘cept maybe a few nitpicks here and there. Judging by how fast the SE of fates sold I’d say most fans are cool too. Complaints will always just seem more vocal on the internet though since 1. it’s the Internet… 2. it gives people with a bone to pick a small (if false) sense of control and 3. there’s not much to scream about if you’re cool with things already.
The most important thing is to just vote with your wallet. In our free market society that’s ultimately what companies listen to. Hell it’s ultimately what saved this series. What other people think of the series should have little impact on your own enjoyment.
voting with your wallet is a super flawed if not stupid concept IMO, because you don’t get to decide what you vote for: it’s completely up to the interpretation of the companies. not buying Fates, for instance, might just come off as “you don’t want more FE”–it doesn’t say “I want FE, but not this kind of FE”. likewise, buying it doesn’t necessarily say “I am just supporting this in hopes of the next games being better”, it will probably be interpreted as “I am buying this because I want more”. not sure you can call it “voting” when you don’t even get to say what you’re voting for.
Well it’s unfortunate but guess what, you are the consumer. You are not the one working 12 hours a day for a year or two to make virtual entertainment for a bunch of random dudes with disposable income to enjoy or whine about. If you want something a bit different then the best thing you can do is try and offer feedback to the company, and see if enough people want the same thing to react. If you feel something is really really wrong then just don’t offer that company your credit for their product. Hell I thought the latest Battlefront looked real rubbish so I just chose not reward EA for it. I can understand if others want to though, I just won’t be a part of it.
If you want something that matches your exact specific tastes however, then sorry, you either have to wait until you luck out and something exact comes along or make your own exact game. I actually respect both options. But that’s how this world works. You either like something enough that you work or pay for it or you don’t. No one in this world owes you your dream game. In this instant gratification world it seems like everyone feels entitled to one, but nothing in this world is that easy.
.
Couldn’t agree more.
Personally, I’m not really against the current Fire Emblem (minus a few nit-picks). All I care about is that while they (as in Intelligent Systems) may want to evolve the series, they just need to make sure that they don’t make Fire Emblem lose it’s true identity. As long as the core aspects that make up Fire Emblem don’t change, I’ll be fine with it.
Looks like many people are looking forward to Fates in 2016: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/01/feature_the_biggest_3ds_games_of_2016 (scroll down to vote in the poll about which game you’re most anticipating in 2016).
I’m going to have to keep “S.S. Critania” in mind.
An FE14 speedrun will be interesting, due to the overall game balance and lack of exploits.
That water dragon would’ve been awesome to defeat… I suppose I’m a little angry that they didn’t use the DS remake to try and finally implement their original ideas (and give the characters support conversations… and less ghost-like mugshots… and personality… *ahem*).
I find it interesting how Greco-Roman a lot of the character designs in this first version of Shad Dragon were. (Could anybody care to explain why Marth went into a warzone… with no pants on? I’ve seen Pegasus Knights better protected… in fact Caeda *is* better protected here!) In this way, it fits in with the chronology of Arkaneia/Ylisse. If FE1 happened in the equivalent of 500BC than FE13 happened around 1500, which looks about right for both game’s original designs.
Marth’s Japanese name is “Mars”, so the tunic and sandals looking Greco-Roman makes some sense.
I̶ ̶l̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶h̶o̶r̶r̶i̶f̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶J̶e̶i̶g̶e̶n̶ ̶l̶o̶o̶k̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶.̶
Dang, Radiant Dawn remains my favorite Fire Emblem game (other than the lack of support convos). As much as I like the handheld games, I was hoping for more console FE games similar to Radiant Dawn.
Looking at the old class concepts, the center middle row class is definitely called トレーナー “Trainer”, and was probably a predecessor of the Wyvern Rider/Dracoknight class line.
Middle left really looks to me like the class is called バツグル “BATSUGURU” from close examination. That might still be wrong, though, and even if it was right I don’t actually know what that means. The class design itself kinda reminds me of a mixture between a Dread Fighter and a Barbarian/Brigand. Interestingly, it appears to be wielding clubs, which only just recently made it into the series as an actual usable weapon type. Even considering that, the clubs this class is dual-wielding look far cruder and more barbaric than the kanabo that are used in Fates.
It took me a while to figure out the one on the middle right. It looks like it could either be ルナハン “Runahan” (a real surname apparently), or, more likely, ルカイン “RUKAIN”, in which case I don’t know what the correct translation would be.
As an aside, the drawing here combined with what the kana looks like really makes me think that this particular concept art is of a single specific character, rather than a general class as the rest seem to be. The character design really reminds me a lot of Zephiel, too… I can’t help but wonder if they could possibly have reused a character design from that far back when Binding Blade’s development came around.
These are just my (probably bad) attempts at reading these, though. If anyone who knows better (and/or who has any idea what
バツグル or ルカイン might be intended to be) wants to make corrections, I’d welcome the clarity!
Is that Elincia I see on the bottom?
That’s one too easy, huh? : P
Too bad the special edition is sold out already all over the US. Hope there’s like a second wave of preorder
hello. I’m trying to get onto the chat in the forums can i had a question regarding FE4. it won’t let me connect and I’ve tried connecting a few times which i believe it shows up in chat. it kicked me out. is there some kind of alternative chat like a chatango site? thank you
…It’s Cipher 0 art badges.
I can make out the previously stated Elincia, but the rest I’m not so sure on (and don’t feel like comparing them with card art to find out).
Grrr…! I have to wait until I get paid to preorder… I hope Fates are kind to the late preorder folk like myself… har…har…har…
Yup, I’m screwed. >.<
“Now, if we could just get a Fire Emblem Fates release date for Europe!” indeed my friend indeed 🙂
I want a FE Fates demo!
Do you know if there’s an easy way for someone not in japan to obtain these items? Besides buying them off eBay
Play-Asia. ^_^
So i am guessing that you dont get the preorder bonus if you pre order the special edition
The special edition gets the preorder bonus as well.
I am guessing online orders get it also
Yes, if you look up your order information, the keychains should be listed on the purchase order.
What i it was ordered well before the keychains wwre announced
You should still receive them. The only way to know for sure is to look up your order info and on the order info page it will list the charge for the game and under that on next line it will have the key chains. I ordered the day of the nintendo direct and mine shows the key chains in the order.
Both games are listed on the site as having the keychains as a bonus. I tried pre-ordering only Birthright, and they’re even listed on the order confirmation alongside the game. The phrasing on that image appears to be a mistake (unless it’s the site that’s faulty).
http://www.gamestop.com/collection/fire-emblem-fates
The card game really needs an official English release, someone petition NoA.
Nice for you guys in NA i am a little jealous but hf guys 😀
I wonder if the Cipher characters will be distributed in the west somehow.
I’m honestly hoping for more DLC classes in the game – even if no more are coded in currently or at all, or even like a Fire Emblem series of Amiibo that detail the protagonists and antagonists, aside from the dragon bosses, though that would be cool too. Just an entire wave of units that you could train in Fates, but most of all, I want a Chrom based off of the one in Genei Ibun Roku #FE, like a Chrom Amiibo, and he has a special class that’s similar to the Dread Fighter of Awakening, and Great Lord. Imagine it, a class for Chrom that mixes his actually pretty good Magic Stat (48 w/ Limit Breaker in Awakening as a Dread Fighter), but also utilizes Swords and Lances.
So is Fates gonna get even more DLC in the future besides what’s already out in Japan?
Time to add that 3DS to my collection.
Nice 3DS. Shame NoA is going to censor Fates, otherwise I’d be more interested in buying it…
Good thing we have that translation patch for imported versions!
So, because there might be a few alterations, you’d rather pirate and hack the Japanese version?
Wow. Some people really are that self-entitled.
I said “imported”, not “pirated”. But yes, absolutely. Why would I want to purchase an incomplete product over a complete one? That just seems silly.
Using Homebrew (specifically HANS), you can mod games you own, without needing to resort to piracy. While I would recommend the official English version, everyone’s entitled to their own choice.
You don’t need to pirate to import, HANS is a very effective system I’ve used to play hacks of ORAS.
With that said, I highly doubt NoA would be dumb enough to censor too much outside toning down the amie dialogue a bit. they got too much hell from censoring Tharja’s butt to try that again
Couldn’t care less about censoring or her butt. Her butt didn’t add or take away from the story and experience.
I would’ve imported Fates since my 3ds has homebrew and Hans, but I heard you need to be below a particular version of your system and needed Ninjahax for something… It’s to technical for me. :/
Bought the new 3ds xl thinking they wouldnt come with this
and Now I know, I fuqed up.
I feel your pain. I did the same thing and bought it thinking Nintendo was not going to release one since it was not mentioned in the direct.
Merry Christmas to me too, I did it and Boom, Nintendo delivers
We got juked by Nintendo.
My wait wasn’t for nothing.
Love the subtle design. Looks much nicer than the faceplates imo.
If only NOE would finally announce something for us, too.
Yeah, NOE, don’t leave us waiting too long. Please : P
At first was theorizing that it might be to allow the west to gain access to cipher units, but since I kept reading and saw that some skills are currently unobtainable, it does seem likely there will be more DLC. odd that they waited this long though
The only disappointing thing about this is the fact that it doesn’t come with the game… !@##^$@!!!!
A̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶t̶e̶r̶n̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶I̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶u̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶
̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶F̶a̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶S̶p̶e̶c̶i̶a̶l̶ ̶E̶d̶i̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶.̶.̶h̶e̶h̶e̶h̶e̶h̶
If you look carefully, you can notice there’s also french text on the boxart ( “Jeux Fire Emblem Fates vendus séparément.”, “édition Fire Emblem Fates” with a capital “é”, and another one on the bottom left of the box )
Looks like they’re planning to release it in Europe too, but I’ve already got a MH4U n3DS XL and the packaging is vertical, not horizontal.
But my japanese n3DS Fire Emblem if has the horizontal packaging too, so it’s weird… Maybe it’s the way Nintendo do them now?
I really hope it get released here ! I’ll buy it on the spot with the Special Edition… [Credit Card intensifies]
I think French packaging is mandatory in parts of Canada.
Oh, you may be right, totally forgot about Canada ! Dayum, now I’m disappointed. xD
Despite already owning a n3DSXL, I broke down and bought this. I am weak.
Does that mean I need to buy Brithright or Conquest to get Revelation?
Yeah, you do.
Am I really the only one who prefers the japanese fates plates to this?
I think I’ll stick to my FE: Awakening 3ds for now.
My money went to the special edition that became available for presale today in my local store, so im not getting that console lol…still….the design needs more work in my opinion, too plain
Looks half-assed and boring. The faceplates were a way better thingy.
Despite my reservations against Awakening, I bought all the DLC essentially doubling the price for the entire game. The DLC was…pretty ridiculously crappy now that I think about it, but oh well. I don’t think I’ll be wasting money on shoddily thrown together DLC this time, especially since I’m already paying so much to get the full version of the game on one cart (the LE).
Will they release yet ANOTHER special addition or DLC that has the uncensored character interactions? I want to convert lesbians dammit!
Oh my naga.
I should have known
Damn…
I’m just getting myself a decal for the interior, but if you want the exterior too…well that’s there too. Not sure if you want to spend $10 for it though. Also keep in mind its for n3DSXL too. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fire-Emblem-Fate-FE-Fate-Game-Protective-Sticker-Decal-Skin-For-Nintendo-New-3DS-XL-Decor/32447245916.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.27.mxGBjS
Mostly useless lol. Dat love life tho, hubba hubba. Thunder raisin.
i bet he knows glitches too
Thanks for translating the Japanese version’s text! I was curious about that.
I agree be was probably an NPC or something of the like. It does say that the roster lists “story characters”, not ” playable characters” or “units”, so that may be a leftover from when Hubba was on there.
Who’d ever though that he’d be going Gotoh.
*laughs*
Though Anna has been around much longer, she doesn’t do any fortune telling when she’d be a real potent one for her longer experience around the universe.
OMG, this
This is great
So Old Hubba’s far older than we supposed…
THUNDERATION!!!!
So his birthday is a leap year. Somehow, that doesn’t surprise me.
Hopefully this will eventually be on Amazon or something, since I prefer making most purchases there.
Just like when Aimee made the jump from FE1 to 9.
Thank god for the homebrew scene: https://gbatemp.net/threads/released-bravely-default-eur-usa-uncensored.391715/
In regards to the skinship censorship, err on the side of caution when reporting on it; the direct quote from Nintendo has no proper context, and could be Kotaku misinterpreting or misrepresenting what was said… both things that Kotaku is very frequently known to do.
That’s why I cited Kotaku as the source of this “leak”, and clarified that it’s not officially announced as of yet.
I would also agree here. It could definitely be true, but Kotaku is historically a terrible source known to misrepresent many, many things.
It looks like Nintendo has started sending responses to those who asked about it, and it is out. Here’s a screenshot of the message I received this morning: http://postimg.org/image/6u2m77dwr/
Well people have found previous videos with the treehouse that has a ! above it, which indicated that the skinship cool down had expired. so either A: they removed it recently B: it was replaced with a new feature, or far more likely, C: Kotaku lying for clicks… again.
Indeed, from the info people have found, it is highly likely that Kotaku(or to be more specific, Nathan Grayson) is lying. Par for the course.
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692499937028874241
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692542462418616320
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692542768556695553
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692729813451210752
https://twitter.com/SDC_Batz/status/692730114765795329
Thank goodness. Not surprising, though, Nathan Grayson is a known liar and spinster.
To be fair, there is still a possibility that he’s telling the truth. Time will tell.
New info: Turns out despite all that it is getting removed: http://nintendoeverything.com/removal-of-fire-emblem-fates-petting-mini-game-in-the-west-reconfirmed/
Unless Grayson forged the screenshot, but I’d hope even he isn’t that vile.
Was it Youkai or Youko before that was changed to Kitsune?
Youkai, but the fantraslation was Fox-Spirit
How odd, his class is listed 妖狐 (youko) (in Famitsu anyway, II’ll have to check the game again, but I assume they’re right) which is just another way to refer to Fox Spirit. Wondering where Youkai came from. xD
EDIT: Checked his profile too! It’s also 妖狐 (youko), so will inform Vincent. : )
Elise better not be removed entirely. Because without her, it wouldn’t feel right.
Start with the base audience for this game.
Then remove the percentage that doesn’t keep up with minor details like these (probably a whole lot; over 50%).
Then remove the percentage that isn’t actually bothered by this news.
Then remove the percentage that isn’t bothered enough and dogmatic enough to boycott the game on mere principle.
Then compare that remaining population to the potential population that would be lost due to the negative publicity of these features and/or the hassle of potentially receiving an M rating.
It’s unfortunate to see something get outright removed, but regardless of anyone’s personal preference, the reasoning checks out. It’s just a pity that it had to happen in this…political climate. It’s getting to the point where the kind of routine localization changes nobody paid attention to 3 years ago are going to be blown out of proportion just so people can keep getting mad.
Some name changes are interesting, while some are weird.
Also, RIP Skinship ;_;
I wanted to stroke my waifus. But Kotaku can be bitch about info, so let’s wait and see.
I guess they genuinely doubt the general populus’ ability to pronounce names with “ts” in them.
Looks like that fanslation will come in handy after all.
I am against censorship, and I am greatly disappointed to see the removal of a feature with potentially no replacement. but my wish to play the game outweighs my disappointment. I’ll still get the game, but as of recent years I’ve been less and less of a fan of Nintendo.
A lot of these things I’m… ok? with? I’ll still say Tsubaki just because I end up naturally saying tsu when I’m saying a japanese anyway… but Saizo without a U just looks really dumb to me. Ryouma to Ryoma and stuff like that I can live with. I can even live with rinkah getting an extra H. But Saizo by itself looks… short. Cut off almost.
The only other thing that bothers me is the fact that Kaden is on the hoshido side, so it makes sense for him to have a japanese looking name. The name Kaden… isn’t.
I liked the name eastern heart over camaraderie because it sounds better and more hoshidan to me (also probably because I couldn’t spell camaraderie without looking at it, which is not normal for me), but I’m not too bitter about it.
So sad about the Skinship feature… I really hope there’s still hope and that they will “”just”” change some dialogues in it and stuff but not remove it completely. It really would be unfair !
If his birthday is a leap year then how is he so old?
so who is able to marry Soleil? Male or Female Corrin?
Only male supposedly
I actually found out that the way it was in the JAP version she never could marry a female from what I read. They removed a pointless part
Im not going to lie, seeing the removal of the skinship feature is kind of saddening.. Im not so mad that the skinship feature itself might be removed but my thing is, like is there no way they can just censor the dialogue? To me I see no reason why a whole feature should be terminated but I mean hey that’s just my opinion…. It sort of just feels like were getting “part’ of the game…. Plus RIP me trying to train my mind to say the english names instead of the Japanese ones ;_;
Apparently murder,incest,corruption,suicide etc are ok for this game; but rubbing the face of animated characters is where NOA draws the line.
Honestly don’t even care about the amie thing, but to cut even content like that from the game is ridiculous. Why should we get a watered down version of a game.
Yes especially given that its an entirely optional feature.
The optional meme is done dude. It’s even proven, in text above, that it’s used to get the better weaponry and items. It’s not really optional when you play harder difficulties.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what “Optional” means.
Censorship is wrong. I don’t need NOA deciding whats “appropriate” for me. Just give it to me and I will make my own decisions.
Censorship is one thing. But I’m talking about the optional argument. It’s been done to death and it’s like saying, because one game is made up of optional content, you then can’t judge it as a whole.
If the content is not optional and thus integral then cutting it would be an even worse offense, since I am now objectively paying for an incomplete game.
If the content was optional (which from what I’ve seen of the plays, it seems to be since there’s many ways of obtaining items and supports) then it remains just a rather inane censoring of a minor silly feature.
If it’s such an offence then why is IS taking this so lightly. Why was it removed if it’s so insulting, but IS said “Ok, you can remove that content”? That’s localization. What does IS have to say about this?
I’m not sure you know. While I understand where you’re coming from (and I respect your view to original creators), do you know why the petting was added? Because, Awakening created an accident fanbase all about the waifu’s and etc. and IS got a lot of money because of it. Why do you think petting was put in the first place, for money, not respect or moral art. This is the gaming industry. Did you seriously think petting would be put in and everything would go hunky dory?
“You took out my petting, I’m insulted.” Really? … … Really? Aren’t we grown men?
You’re putting words in my mouth. I do not care for the petting itself that much personally, but that has little to do with the issue I was addressing. I was addressing your claim that the petting minigame was not optional. If that were the case, then that would be a serious issue. That means you cannot complete that game without it and NoA just sold you an incomplete game. Thankfully that does not seem to be the case.
Maybe you meant to say that the minigame was consequential. Something can be both optional and consequential at the same time. They are two different spectrums.
The petting minigame is both. There are tangible rewards and benefit to it (items, support points) thus consequential. But you do not NEED to use it to beat the game (you can grind, use My Castle etc.) thus optional.
On the flipside, something can be mandatory or integral and inconsequential at the same time. Like a cut scene for example. Ok sure you can skip it, but you have to at least go by it before completing the game, thus mandatory. But you do not usually gain any rewards or benefits from it, thus inconsequential.
You’re right. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to put it that way.
Consequential? Idk, maybe. This feature only gives you rare items and support bonuses, but whether they’re optional or not, it can’t be said as an excuse. Sometimes, optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not, whether you miss out on anything or otherwise.
True, it’s not needed to beat the game, but it bleeds into other core aspect of the game. Here it’s the support. It’s there to either be used or not to be used for your ‘run’, and whether you use it or not will determine if everything will go smoothly and easily or just outrageously hard. It’s outbalanced. Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.
“I’m playing Nohr on the hardest difficulty, I can’t grind, I can’t beat it.”
“Have you tried the face touching feature?”
“Yeah, about that…”
If you don’t use it, you’re being penalized for having taste, gameplay wise and game time wise.
See now you’re just contradicting yourself for the sake of argument.
“optional isn’t the kind of optional where it’s okay where you use it or not.” “Any feature that gives you a strategic or statistical advantage is never optional.”
So is it or is it not optional? And the second quote is patently false. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to maximize every stat and feature imaginable. That is your prerogative. The definition of an option is something you do not need to complete something else but can if you choose. Difficulty is irrelevant. And even if it was, I’ve seen videos of Nohr playthroughs that “run smoothly” without having to touch anyones face, so I dont know where you get that “smooth with/impossible without” dichotomy from.
Look I get that you think it is an important feature. That is a perfectly fine opinion to have. But you can’t claim that “optional is a meme” to support your claims. That is just flat false, and hurts your position more than helps.
You missed my point by nitpicking not all of my full sentence. Good optional is something you can decide on that doesn’t effect the games entirly. Nothing dramatic changed and can easily be ignored.
Borderlands has so many guns, their optional. If your not happy with the guns you find and your happy with the ones you’re using, it’s okay, cause you can manipulate this optional for better optional mechanic. Sell the guns for money.
Bad optional content is when it’s obviously optional, but really… you end up needing it.
I’m going to assume you played Awakening, Lunatic+, Classic mode. I’m sure you know this was claimed as a bitch. You’re forced to use everything optional. Marriage Supports, Grinding, etc. They’re even back in fates, optional, and yet now bleeded into core aspects of the game, which means anyone who plays this game is going to use them, either they like or not.
Now I don’t care if you’ve seen ‘runs’ of Nohr. Because you still haven’t played it. You can’t say it’s easy until you can have the experience, which means I’m not listening to your opinion. Especially when people have said it is hard and that it’s difficulty ramps up to almost Tharcia 779, one of the hardest of FE games.
The reason why it’s a meme is because it’s used to deflect arguments, instead of using it as a positive.
I’m curious if you’ve played this game yet yourself if you’re so quick to dismiss someone else for their lack of hands-on experience. I never made any claims of ‘easiness’ either, I only said I’ve seen it done without much issue without using the minigame. See you keep making claims like it’s ‘never optional’ or ‘anyone who plays’ has to use the function. What about the vast majority of the people who don’t do Lunatic+ runs? Can they not finish the game without it? And if it’s such a necessity why was it cut? That means no one can finish the game without it now.
I get that you don’t like the petting minigame, I’m not huge on it myself, but you can’t just deflect the argument yourself that it was an optional feature by just saying it’s a ‘meme’. You can argue that it’s ‘good or bad’ optional, that’s a valid opinion, but you can’t just outright say it’s not an option.
Once again, I don’t need Nintendo of America deciding whats in my localized version of the game. If I don’t want it I wont use it. Nintendo should have no say in cutting out content for certain countries. Thats what we call censorship. Being a “grown man” has nothing to do with them cutting it. In fact its because I’m a grown man that I don’t need them to cherrypick shit out for my “benefit”, if its good enough for Japan its good enough for the rest of the world, to say otherwise is wrong especially since I’m the consumer, giving MY money. Its wrong and nothing you say is gonna change our minds about it.
Nothing will change your minds? That’s actually a good strong belief. But, you people can say “Pre-order cancelled, not getting it anymore.” Your loss. Hey, I didn’t want the petting feature to begin with and thought I wasn’t getting my money’s worth, yet I’m still waiting for release. Now people get thrown on to the same people who didn’t have much content whether it was there or not, and complain there isn’t enough content for their purchase. Welcome to the real world.
You know you can be staunchly opposed to censorship and still look forward to the game right? Like I didn’t care about petting that much in the first place, so I will still purchase and enjoy the game. But the fact that Nintendo of America still seems to see it’s consumers as puritanical children who need to be protected from other cultures is kind of a worrying trend that should be discussed. I don’t think you can just say ‘well I didn’t like a cut feature, so who cares.’ That sets a precedent that consumers will just take whatever changes a publisher makes without a second thought.
Wow the world is so black and white to you. You think any a complaint is large enough to not still buy it in your eyes it would seem. But I will tell you at some point if this censorship goes beyond my tolerance I will simply not buy Fire Emblems Anymore. As it stands I don’t give a flying fuck about petting, and am opposed to its cut on principle. As for that SJW bullshit in regards to one Support Conversation I am opposed to personally. It being removed because some retards mistranslated and misinterpreted the conversation and NOA editing it for that group pisses me off. Let them not buy the game if they are so opposed and leave the rest of us have the intact product.
Really Franchezco you need to stop caring what I’m complaining about because they are legitimate concerns and because YOU think the argument is tired doesn’t matter one bit into anyone’s mind except your own. News flash you can’t judge a whole without its optional parts. Is that clear enough for you? Thats what started this and now your arguing for the sake of argument.
I agree, that the whole localization matter can be taken to far. I mean, really… Fatal Frame. Digital Copy only… real stupid.
But just because something is optional, it’s above critique? That’s what you think?
You buy a burger with a side of fries, and the fries are burnt and disgusting, but it’s okay, their optional, I can’t judge the fast food store for making my food bad when I payed for it and expect quality.
critique it all you want. I don’t care. What I do care about is it is content that is being cut for arbitrary reasons. Slippery slope.
Thankfully they got rid of Pokemon petting. Content or not, it is not an idea that translates well outside of Japan, and if this game wants to be taken seriously then it made a step in the right direction.
Why remove skinship…? i dont get it, is it a no-moral system for them or what…?
Now i know why it was being released early, wasnt it supposed to release in summer? and they honestly couldnt tell us this earlier.
Pre-ordered the game because of the skinship with them waifus ._. now that it is possible it will be taken out, I’m still gonna get it for the S supports. XD
single4life
Okay, so Vocaloid can get away with letting the player pet the Vocaloids in Project Diva F and Project Diva F 2nd in the west, but Fire Emblem can’t? Maybe Nintendo of North America is more uptight about these sorts of things than the North American branch of Sony or even Sega for that matter. I’m not really mad that it’s been removed, just kind of baffled since another Teen rated game already did something rather similar in the west…
“Tsubaki | Subaki”
“Pegasus Knight | Sky Knight”
Thanks a lot, NoA.
Also I’m gonna take anything Kotaku says with a grain of salt. Scratch that, an entire salt mine. A very salty salt mine. I’ll need all that salt if it ends up true.
Little things. You have to remember FE:A brought a lot of newer fans, especially those not versed in Japanese name pronunciations. The idea I think is that long time fans wont care so long as they get a translation and newcomers don’t care at all.
For the iteration that doubled down on the creepy waifu/husbando stuff it sort of makes no sense that they may remove those features…then again Kotaku
Also were those name changes really necessary? And where’s my EU release date >.<
A lot of the name changes don’t make much sense I find. I’m sure I’ll end up getting used to it though
That’s it Nintendo. I’m done. I’ll remember the good times we had, but until you start put the customer first again. I’m done. First Fatal Frame and now this? They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
This makes me happy.
I’ve made it through a LOT of Fire Emblem games without ever having to rub anyone’s face, so I think I’ll be just fine. For all the added relationship stuff, Fire Emblem is still a turn-based battle strategy game for me, and I’d rather all supports be handled during combat: proximity, teaming up, sacrificing an attack to hold a conversation, etc. Face rubbing just seems like lazy development to me.
Precisely. The direction the series is taking is quite detestable imo. Sadly, seeing how successful Awakening was to non-FE fans, I fear the waifus, shitty FFTA grinding and overpriced DLC are here to stay.
Well, I’m not quite at “detestable.” What I love about FE is largely still intact (battle system and story/characters). I also felt the DLC in Awakening was well worth it, so we’ll see if I feel the same after Fates. My fear with things like face rubbing and amiibo support and training castles is that they’ll muddy the core mechanics and start to interfere with the experience as a whole. I guess it’s a risk we have to take in order to maintain the widespread appeal necessary to keep the series running.
I’d rather not start an argument here since we do agree somewhat on a few things, but I could argue for days how the battle system and characters in Awakening are far inferior to that of the previous entries in the series. However… Eh, screw it, it’s not like I have anything better to do lol.
Awakening is a decent game, but is frankly one of the worst the series has to offer. The actual strategy component of the game is extremely lackluster as the map and unit diversity is at an all time low. You barely need to think about what you’re doing unless you’re playing the horribly imbalanced Lunatic or Lunatic+ difficulties, and those are just there to toss absurd numbers at you. Rushdown strategies can win literally any battle in Awakening with no repercussions, something that was never possible in the earlier games because you would always miss out on a unit or item and possibly lose units because the map structure favors the enemy.
It’s open fields and empty castles all the way to the end of Awakening. This alone rips most of the strategy out of the game.
That said, I DO respect that other people enjoy the game. I understand that some people just want a fun game to play once in a while, but I am way more hardcore about Fire Emblem than most people. That’s the reason I was severely disappointed in Awakening and what Fates is building on.
You’re right about lackluster maps. I attributed the relative ease to the ability to level up characters well beyond the enemy (I finished the final battle in three turns!), but the maps were less inspired than in the past. Perhaps it’s the combo of those two–along with all the DLC–that made Awakening the first Fire Emblem game I had no desire to play through more than once. Of course, that’s kind of the point of DLC…to give you something more to do than a New Game +.
I get why they want to remove the drugging scene, but Tharja was hexing people against their will all the time and no one cared. (And I really think it’s beyond ridiculous to think of the support chain as conversion therapy.)
SJWs taking everything out of hand as usual. Converting what good they could doing by targeting the those of us who don’t want every little thing censored.
Rep Quote from the Kotaku Article:
“Yes, that is the case [that petting isn’t in the English version]. You might have heaerd somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.”
Yeah, that’s kinda vague with no context. Sounded like he was asked if you’ll be cutting inappropriate stuff like petting people in the english version, and was like “Sure, but you were never really inappropriately ‘petting’ people jn the first place.”
My best guess is maybe you’ll just get the Live3D portrait cutscene with limited or without the touch screen aspect. It would be really baffling to me to cut wholesale models from the data just for the few people sensitive to it. I’ve seen stranger though I guess.
And yeah
>Gawker Media website
>any shred of credibility or integrity
Kotaku lied to us.
Here is proof http://i.imgur.com/NjADWpX.png
Straight from the mouth of Nintendo
While possibly just a generic statement due to being someone way lower on the ladder, it brings up the question of, if Nintendo isn’t being public about it, why would they tell Kotaku? and why was only Kotaku told?
Well from the looks of the actual quote itself, it seems like the writer asked his source specifically if features like touching faces were cut, to which he gave an answer that was basically “Yes, but your question was flawed.”
The bigger question now remains how reliable the source is, and what the context of the question was since only a vague answer was provided.
Prove it!
Though I am disappointed with the American localization stripping a lot of the original features such as Skinship, in the end we have to remember that Fire Emblem is a turned-based strategy game as it always has been, with things such as these being an extra flair to encourage a larger demographic into the series. But despite all that, in my point of view, there is a tremendous leap into “open-mindedness” with these localization with this game sorta pioneering it or at least following the trend. Like same-sex marriage seems to still an option, as well as incestual themes. Something not a lot of games like to cover due to the potential of a controversy, which we have seen Fates faced.
Regarding Soleil, i’m quite interested on how her supports are going to go. I originally planned to S-support her a while back, and i’m even more interested to see what changes they made with her. With hopes they didn’t completely butcher it.
I agree with the Soleil decision; gay conversion debate aside, I just think it’s a good idea to remove a conversation that shows her being essentially “drugged” by Corrin. (side note: She should have been bisexual, dammit. I wanted to romance her.)
As for the petting, I’m a little disappointed about it being removed, if true. It helped build up supports in Nohr route. D:
Laslow and Benny are the real problems tbh.
“Laslow and Benny” sounds like the name of another bad children’s cartoon. But it’s impossible for me to hear the name Benny without thinking of Benny Hill, so that’ll make for some unintentional comedy.
I think Benny is actually a pretty cute name, and I was very worried about what they’d rename him so I’m glad to see it was something like this. Laslow…I got nothing xp
I don’t Benny because it is cutesy XD. I prefer Benoit, it fits his character more.
As for Laslow, at least we know where he is going for the summer…
Actually, I think him being named Benoit might fit his character pretty well 😉 When I first read it, I thought “Maybe his name is Benoit still, he just tells everyong to call him Benny because he thinks it makes him look less intimidating” which seems like a thing Benoit would do x3 I actually wondered why they changed it, but appearently Benoit is also the last name of a wrestler who killed his family. In that case I think it’s fair it was changed, and Benny isn’t too bad.
Hey guys, so in case there is any doubt at all, I can confirm skinship is out. I just got this from Nintendo:
“Hello,
The Nintendo of America versions of Fire Emblem: Fates (Conquest, Birthright, and Revelation) have been changed to not include the ability to touch various body parts to improve the relationships between the player and in-game characters. When we localize a game, we do so in order to make it appropriate for that particular territory. All our choices were made from that point of view. We want to assure you that your comments will be added to our records for this game and will be made available for other departments at the company to review and thoughtfully consider.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
Gavin Heflin”
IGN confirmed its removal, but you still get support bonuses
Good enough for me
I’m just hoping you can still view the live3D models somehow. I really don’t care about the touching faces part, but it just seems like such a waste of resources to remove so many detailed renderings in a game for such an asinine reason as ‘appropriateness’.
That’s really my line-in-the-sand with censorship. Edit a costume or photo or some small detail, fine I get it, it’s a different culture blah blah. But cutting access to significant content, well that’s when my cogs really start grinding.
Sorry if this counts as a spoiler, but at the very least, the Live2D models are used for confession scenes instead of the static CG used in Awakening, if that helps?
Eh I guess it’ll do for now. That’s still a limited set of animations compared to the previous amount, but I’ve made my peace with the decision. I knew I was probably getting an altered version in the first place, but I just wish NoA would one day stop acting like it’s serving the kids table of video games.
Guys take the amie thing with a grain of salt, kotaku is an unreliable source. I’ve seen very many posts saying “yes it is” “no its not” wait until the game is released to the public before making a big fuss over it
Well, the removal of touching itself has at least been confirmed by Nintendo. You still get the bonuses but it’s unclear how.
No problem here.
Haven’t played Fire Emblem in about four or five years, but I randomly visited the site for some unknown reason and the first thing I see is that Nintendo of America is up to their old shenanigans again.
If Smash is getting this many FE reps, the series itself may go in a direction that can be on par with Pokemon. Japan will be getting them on the 4th! ^_^
http://www.smashbros.com/jp/dlc/index.html
I think it’s more of a way to promote Fire Emblem If/Fates through Smash Bros. than anything.
Exactly my thoughts.
Honestly, I don’t want Fire Emblem to ever become a ‘big series’. If it will, it has to appease the mainstream which means we will get even more waifushit. Seisen no Keifu handled the marriage system quite well but Awakening and Fates has the problem of making everyone able to marry everyone, which makes the relationships feel very weak and fabricated imo.
IS should just do a SMT and Persona thing with FE.
Mark your calendars, folks; February is a huge month for Fire Emblem in America!*
I corrected it, you’re welcome.
I am still waiting for a release date xD
February is a big month for FE! This is going to be great, but…
RIP Wallet ;-;
Well, if there’s one thing I’ve learned from all of this, it’s that a lot of you are REALLY passionate about petting people’s faces…and that there’s some confusion out there about the difference between censorship and editing for content.
In fairness I don’t think it’s just about the petting. People were also worried that they wouldn’t get to see the Live2D models as much (since even with the confession scenes you’d only really get to see it once per playthrough unless you really liked grinding support points), and the minigame had a lot of dialogue, including a fair amount that fleshed out the characters and has been said to include the majority of the VA, that people also didn’t want to miss out on. Many were also worried that that had been removed along with the minigame. However so far, we don’t know if those are out, although we don’t know if those are still in either. We really just have to wait until someone shows it off in-game.
If the support conversations are lost, then I’ll share their disappointment, yes. Character development is one of the my favorite aspects of the series, after all. I’m just glad I won’t have to virtually pet anyone’s virtual face in order to see them…assuming they’re still there.
I agree that character development is one of my favourite aspects, and also I feel one of the most important. With so many characters, and a few who’s personalities boil down to a few traits, any development is very welcome and really helps you to actually conntect with these characters. It can also help with supports…I’ve already read one person saying that the minigame lines really fleshed out the two gay marriage candidates, since otherwise their supports were a bit lacking. You also lose out on some very important information about characters. So, hopefully, that’s still in, or they’ve at least found a way to include that information elsewhere in the game.
A good point is the fact that you need to play the game to see the lines, which admittedly is an issue for those who are uncomfortable with the minigame, and perhaps makes it a bit less ‘optional’. Maybe it would have been better if there was a toggle for turning the petting on and off, so you could do it if you wanted or, if you didn’t could just press a ‘next’ or ‘skip’ button and get the ending dialogue and bonuses and items or whatever. That way you still won’t miss anything, but you wouldn’t have to engage in the actual minigame. I’m actually hoping that’s what they do here, keep the models and voice lines and etc., but just don’t have you needing to pet the character to get them, since we know that’s out. Of course, as to what they’ll actually do we still have no idea.
In short, I think it would just be very unfortunate if they ‘threw the bucket out with the bath water’ as it were, and throw out a lot of great resources, lines, and character development while trying to get rid of one controversial minigame.
“Gameplay tips will appear in the game (note: because of the high level of difficulty)” Depending on what kind of tips these are, that could be pretty interesting. Maybe this game will make me a better player. Looking forward to when it comes out, and hoping for some kind of translation.
I like the Female Axe Fighter’s Design.
Would it be easier with a picture gallery to view all the submission in one page? It’s tiring to open many tabs just to compare and becoming tedious to scroll down the picture in the forum. :/ By the way, good luck for participants!
Looking at that picture really reminds me of how simple yet effective character designs used to look in Fire Emblem.
Not that I think the current games look bad or anything, just that this older style still has a certain charm to it.
This is pretty cool, but I went with a physical copy of Fates because of Amazon’s 20% off deal.
Here comes the datamining!
http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/4/10920292/fire-emblem-fates-petting-skinship-localization-change I’m pretty sure there’ll be an article on this at some point.
for what purpose
If they were going to keep the character models with dialogue and them blushing, they should have just kept the skinship but made it skipable if you just wanted the bonus for it.
Well, even if you can’t touch the imouto, it’s something. Still feel burned about NA’s skinship game being nerfed, but we’ve got the more important conversations and bonuses intact. Except for Niles telling you he’s gonna do some spelunking, of course.
Also Live2D animations look janky as ever. Sakura’s gonna fling herself out of frame if things continue at that pace.
This was the most realistic and best case scenerio as to what they would do with the skinship minigame once it was confirmed touching was out, so I’m very happy! It’s especially nice to know the lines are fully voiced. I wish Nintendo had just explained this was what they were going to do, I feel like it’d have mitigated at least some of the controversy. Stll, happy to see this is what they went with!
As they said, its not bad. Glad I’ll still be able to giggle at those.
I’m just upset there’s no duel audio… “We’ve got trouble!” WHHHHHHYYYYYYY!?
yeah it’s a difficult situation for sure. as a big rune factory fan I still haven’t bought 4 yet due to no dual audio.
At least its not GONE. Even though i am disappointed you cant touch them/interact with the characters more, it can also be argued, that you still enjoy the scene, and it takes less work than there needs to be (its like 5-60 seconds less, depending on if your a pervert and want to take a long time instead of doing it normally).
So everything I wanted to stay stayed and everything I could take or leave left. Perfect solution in my book.
Yeah, I can live with it. Since the visuals and dialogue are not outright cut, there’s not much to cry over.
Still, it’s silly for the localization team to raise such a hubbub over tapping your stylus on a character’s face. Can’t have the kids playing this game have any funny feelings!
LBR, I can’t think of the localization team as being silly when there wasn’t really any hubbub until the fans got wind of it.
I blame Kotaku and the overall blogging era of news updates. If this had been like 10 years ago no one would have learned about the changes til the game dropped. Now every little rumor and tidbit is scrutinized and turned into a headline for those juicy clicks.
What a letdown, well, Better than nothing!
…Sorry, doesn’t this seem MORE explicit?
Like, it went from head-patting to “fade the screen away as they have implied sex”.
I’ll never understand NoA.
Except that fade in/out with the line of dialogue was already there along with the petting in the Japanese version, and the petting included moans and gasps and all sorts of lewd things. Plus the lines of dialogue in the English version have likely been altered to a degree where they aren’t nearly as lewd as they are in the Japanese version. Honestly I think this was the overall best outcome when concerning the removal of skinship, I personally wouldn’t have minded the petting but I’m just happy they kept in the dialogue and Live 2D models.
Agreed on all points. A lot of fans were concerned they’d do a fade to black to hide the skinship (as in, character enters room, fade to black, ‘Your relationship has strengthened!’, character leaves your room) which would definitely have major controversial implications, especially when you consider it also gives the character a stat boost for the next battle x3 The way they did it doesn’t imply there was anything untoward going on at all. If anything it looks like the characters just had a discussion, albeit a quick one.
Cool. At least my hand won’t be tired after the whole thing. Rubbing the stylus over and over can get tedious and boring.
Eh, it’s fine I suppose. Not like I’m going to use it anyway.
afaik there is no dual audio, which sucks. I miss the old FE’s that didn’t have any voice acting.
I’m just happy that they didn’t take away the live 2D models away since they look pretty cool.
Realistically speaking, im glad they went with a compromise rather than just outright taking it out. Even if there is no “tapping” we still get the models and scenes so i mean thats all i really cared about.. it kinda sucks that we are getting a nerfed version of it but in the grand scheme of the whole game i doubt it will be that big of a deal now… and umm felicia….hahaha….
I live in Toronto, I can try to see if I can get in! Getting shirts might be a problem but photos won’t be!
edit: got my ticket, so yay I’m in :^)
Good luck! I’ve always wanted to go to a Fire Emblem event to meet other fans. Huh, it’s probably about time I made my own…
Same here, the only thing I got close to was a photoshoot at a con, but and event is much cooler!
Anything is better than nothing! If there’s any other merchandise/memorabilia that just seems available, be sure to let us know too 😀
I’d love to see other goodies aside from the rubber badges be available, and hearing that shirts exist is more than I expected
Of course! Ill make note of anything I can see!
Now all I need to do hope I can go XD
Is it still like in Awakening where you have to marry every character to get the full experience? While I didn’t care much for that game, I still put a good 80h in it in total, which even then makes it my least played FE. Supports aren’t as helpful stat-wise as they used to be and I don’t want to think about shipping characters to recruit their child. I guess I could ignore shipping completely but I don’t particularly care for the whole marriage thing and children in general.
Ah Fire Emblem of old, I miss you. ;_;
You mean like the FE of old where you play as two whole generations? The one that had a MUCH bigger emphasis on marriage and children?
At least there were substitute characters, as well as no waifufag pandering.
Seisen no Keifu and Thracia in general are far superior in most ways to Awakening, as there are actual strategy in them.
I still need to go back to seisen no keifu and start over since i’m kinda screwed out of hanibel or whatever his name was since the child who got the sleep staff Couldn’t use staves. I think most of the games are better than awakening, especially storywise, awakening was very weak in that department.
And yes it is still like awakening in that regard. It seemed to be a major selling feature for fire emblem awakening which was originally going to be last fire emblem if it didn’t sell well. so i guess they decided to continue with it.
But yeah i too miss the old fire emblems that made you think and didn’t give you the option to let units come back next battle and having actual bosses and not those generic leaders in awakening.
Glad to see that there are still some sensible people left in this fandom, the majority seems to be sold into “The Awakening Delusion”.
You should get back to it for sure, both Seisen no Keifu and Thracia 776 are brilliant. To me Thracia is slightly better, partly because it introduced some series staples. Fog of War, rescue command (100x better than pair-up), as well as a fatigue system (wish it would appear in future titles).
They’re both tactical masterpieces in my mind.
Eh, like most everyone else, I didn’t think Awakening was anywhere near as good as the other games. I thought that the game was solid, but definitely the weakest entry (Shadow Dragon gets a pass because it’s a straight remake). I appreciate that they made it more marketable so as to continue the series, but the level of marketability does seem to be getting a bit too high.
Fair enough, you seem to understand that Awakening is shite compared to the others and that casualization does not only bring positives.
It’s a bit of a shame how it turned out, as I’m sure IS meant well with the game. Ultimately however, it became a bit too much of everything that wasn’t especially developed, and just put in for the “sake of being the last FE”. The marriage system is a good example of this.
So yeah, I don’t mind marriage if it’s well executed, but I find Awakening to fail in this aspect and several more.
Dude, that was one game. Which had substitute characters and no pandering (and before you bring up anything about incest, it was played for drama; not fetishism).
It’s extremely frustrating seeing people who haven’t touched FE4 talk about it matter-of-factly.
I wasn’t talking about it “matter-of-factly,” I was just pointing out that one of the FE of old had marriage and children as not only a major plot point, but actually THE major plot point.
Ooo, I’m definitely going too! Thanks for the heads-up!
Nice! If you manage to go, photos and a brief report of your experience would be nice (and maybe bribe the staff for an extra T-shirt). But of course remember to chill and have fun : )
Just asked and it seems like they’re imposing the limit on T-shirts, so we’ll have to see once I’m there. Otherwise I’m good for everything else so I’ll be back with the low-down next week, thanks!
Ugh, I’m getting antsy for the game. My body is extremely ready!! I don’t have a pre-order for the game, so I might either have to buy an eshop card or hope that my local Wal-mart has some copies left on the day of release.
It’s a shame I won’t be near Toronto on the 12th, because going to an FE event seems exciting.
Ugh, looks like I’m gonna have to avoid going on here for a few months.
Marxs <3 will be my first husbando
Nice. Couldn’t be happier. The only aspects of this I was frustrated with losing were the support bonuses and awesome character models. Both of those things are still around, so I’m happy as a clam. The actual touching mini game was always pretty irrelevant for me, and honestly the localization team had no choice. Taking it out was the only sensible thing to do considering how weird it would be considered in western culture.
Once again, Kotaku misleads.
Okay, so i know this is a 7 month old topic, but we’re 2 weeks away from release date, and its still hella confusing.
I am perfectly okay with this.
Lack of Dual Audio kinda sucks, since the dub seems… inconsistent, but I get that its probably more issue than its worth with the filesize and rights and whatnot.
Was still looking forward to the game either way. 2 weeks can’t go fast enough.
*Giggle*
It will be nice to see some photographs of these shirts after the trip. The beginning story of Fates gives it a good enough point to have Corrin struggle later in the critical decision.
That Weapon Triangle tidbit is pretty interesting. Pity it wasn’t in the final product.
Yeah, then axes might have been at all useable.
Gonzales.
Exhibit A.
Ya know… Its okay… but I wanted to pet my waifu’s and husbando’s heads.
Seems similar to the glowing tiles from Awakening, though further expanded. I’ll take it.
we need this in us! I have some already but its kind of confusing in japanese and it would be much easier to purchase if it was here in the U.S. however at the very least we need an english version of the albums
Ah, two more weeks and I’ll be able to have a relaxing, casual romp through Fates’ three part story on Classic. It’ll be a nice break from actually strategizing in Tear Ring Saga.
lmao, so true.
It’s a bit sad seeing people unfamiliar with FE arguing for Awakening and Fates being rich in the strategy department.
Then again, maybe I should save the criticism for after I play the game. Stupid EU not having a confirmed release date yet…
One of my all time favorite Fire Emblems. Sure it had flaws, but it was one of the most interesting and fun FEs I’ve played.
Interesting to note the unused sea dragon class in FE3. Perhaps they intended to bring Neptune back for that (As book 2 expands upon the dragons in general) yet it still didn’t make the final cut.
The things that were in the beta version seems really interesting, especially the weapon triangle changes. The original chapter seemed interesting too, but FE:6 is very good as it is.
Yeah Nintendo give us the dual audio via DLC at least i don’t care if i have to pay just give it to us
I’ve actually seen a lot of people on other sites saying this is such a dealbreaker that they will not buy it. I will obviously still buy and prob love it but this really bums me out (did not like the english dub in awakening). Hope they realize they are gonna lose sales with this.
People saying “I’m canceling my preorder!” when some detail of a game isn’t exactly right is practically a cliche at this point.
Already pre-ordered Birthright digitally on the eShop. The game was more important than all the shit that got cut out. Not to mention I’d like the opportunity to hear, read, and play the game via dubs.
Is that wrong of me to want that?
Nobody said anything like that. Dubs are great (if they are good), but some people prefer the japanese voices.
Oh I know, but this is a dealbreaker for some people less attached to the series.
Well it’s also a deal breaker for me ,Bought Awekening and all their DLC an planned to do the same with this one but Now, It’s a Big NO, aparrently it’s too hard to ask a NoA the same experience and all of the content the Japanese had.
Before someone say, just import it, Region Lock, Nintendo don’t give you a easy Option here.
Really Dissapointed in Nintendo and how they communicate with some their customers.
any respect i had for them is lost, by their recent behavior and stance with the Censors- i mean “Localization”
Killed any hype i had for this game,
You’re right. They should have just given us the original Japanese game with no translation whatsoever. And how dare they not meet your expectations and wants? A truly horrible company.
Guess you were never a fan of Fire Emblem to begin with.
The people that are most pissed about this are the non-English speaking Westerners. Since they have to deal with a dub they don’t understand, they’d rather play the original one. I, for one, will just turn off the voices and play it like a good old FE.
Understandable? Yes.
Still disappointed from the not adding dual-audio? Still yes.
I hope that Nintendo will at least consider dual-audio download via DLC to solve the issue with space, as well as licensing issues.
Thank you for for explaining the complexities of dual audio. This should be required reading for anyone the least bit interested in these decisions.
I honestly don’t think people who expect or want the original Japanese are numerous enough to sway NOA or NOE, but it’s not unreasonable to at least request it.
I’m not completely heartbroken, and I understand why duel-audio can be a bit of a pipe dream, but Aqua’s (Or Azura’s or whatever her name is. I’ve been very good at dodging game news!) voice in the Japanese audio is just so beautiful, I’m sad that I won’t be able to listen to it in the context of the game. ;^;
The 8GB 3DS carts don’t actually exist, as no game has ever used them. 8 GB is just a theoretical possibility as claimed by the manufacturer of the 3DS carts. Vita’s in the same boat, though I think that’s more likely to use a 8 GB cart than 3DS is.
Also it seems the full version of Fates is smaller than 2 GB, so that means they were easily able to fit the whole thing on one cart afterall. Dual audio possibly could push things over 2 GB, though I think another set of cutscenes in Japanese would the problem rather than just the audio itself.
8GB carts exist. They are purchasable from Nintendo of Japan by developers and publishers. We have confirmation of that, which is why it’s in the article. However, yes, nobody has ever used them for a game yet.
Honestly this game has caused so much controversy I just need it to be out already so i can ignore the internet xD however i admit it does kinda suck we wont be able to choose the dub we want but hey, life moves on right?
…. I don’t exactly feel like not having 2 languages is a big deal.
It is when the one you’re stuck with is kinda wonky.
The English dub is kinda 50/50. The good ones are good, but the bad ones are just really bad.
If we can at least hear the game in japanese then I will pay more money for it even if it’s a DLC
i never understand why people prefer jap voices over English. i guess they would rather read text, than listen to people talking while enjoying the artwork in the game.
Okay, first of all, “jap” is a derogatory term. Please refrain from using it when abbreviating Japanese. JP is fine.
To answer your question: the same reason people enjoy foreign films (which are subtitled). The way emphasis on words works between languages is not the same and word choices may imply different subtext, so if you have even a rough understanding of the language, you can sometimes pick up on subtle nuances that the translator didn’t catch or just for better overall understanding of the intended scene tone.
Additionally, some of us in North America can understand the language (even if only partly for some), but the Nintendo 3DS is a region locked device, which would mean being required to buy another whole 3DS (and a more expensive one at that, due to import cost) to play the game with the voices in their original language. Not only that, subtitled games and other media are good practice for those who are learning the language.
Lastly, if you are experienced with subtitled media, your reading speed is likely very fast. Enjoying the artwork is just as much possible while reading subtitles as it is without.
Some people can understand it but can’t read it; kanji is a bitch to learn. There’s also differences in quality and delivery. Regardless, you’re a dumbass troll.
Hey, watch the flaming. Troll or not, it’s not acceptable here.
You’re right, that was inappropriate. Apologies. When people use phrases like I’ll never understand why people “insert: some activity that they don’t do” and then follow it up with inane scenarios why they choose to do so as if they’re the stupid ones, I can’t help but call them out.
Thus the tone of the response I gave him. It was a ridiculous post, yes, but you can’t just devolve into blatant namecalling because of it.
Who is going to be the amazing person to create a FE:6 hack using the beta’s weapon triangle, I’d love to play it that way.
Wouldn’t need to dual audio if the English VO was any good. It was horrible in awakening because the tone of voice didn’t match the situation (Just look at the cutscene where Sumia rescues Chrome) and was flat/emotionless.
“…and might mean that other regions may see it as well.”
Well, just North America and Australia. Europe got this months ago.
Hence, region _s_ 😀
I’ll tweak that though
This is kind of a non issue for me as I’ve never needed voices in the previous FE’s to enjoy them.
But at the same time, man with the voices we’ve got this time, well…
‘WE’VE.
GAHT.
TRAHBEL!’
Awesome! Nintendo is really pushing hard on this series! They are trying to keep it alive the best that they can. I don’t think it will fail to sell now especially after putting Kamui/Corrin in Smash 4!
@Namevah:disqus
NA will get it! Since it sold better there and Japan than anywhere else!
Honestly, I don’t really much care if Fire Emblem Fates has no dual audio, I often play games in english (there are a few exceptions) so it’s no big loss for me.
honestly that’s doe’s it really matters ? i am more piss off that we still don’t now the release date in europe
Is it too much to hope we one day get an eShop release of a translated New Mystery of the Emblem, too? I played through about half the fan translation ROM, but jut got too tired of looking at that tiny screen on my giant iMac.
Try investing in a flash card such as DSTWO. I did that and I can play literally every single Fire Emblem release on it. Super helpful for the Japan-only releases.
I did look into it at one point, but didn’t want to invest the time/money when I was only looking to play New Mystery of the Emblem with it. If I dig into the other Japan-only releases, I’ll check it out again. Thanks for the recommendation.
I played the ROM of it in solely Japanese but I can go full screen on the emulator. What emulator do you use?
DeSmuMe. I can go up to 5x, but it gets pretty blurry so I tend to keep it at the native size.
This wouldn’t be a problem if the dubbing of Fates was on Par with Awakening, except it isn’t.
There’s the obvious Felicia (voice is fine, acting is terrible), but then there’s also some hypocrisy (age up Sakura and Elise to avoid pedophilic implications, but then have no qualms giving Nyx a very childlike voice?).
I’m a huge fan of Nintendo and FE, but some of the decisions being made here just seem- well- idiotic.
Disappointing and is actually putting me off from the game. I just hope they will include a dlc with all the japanese audio,
I was just going to play the English dub anyways so… not a big deal for me. 🙂 Sorry to no dual audio for the people who wanted it though.
Ahh, I really wanted to go but RSVPs all gone 🙁 anyone have an extra rsvp?
May I assume gameplay tips means hints on how to recruit certain characters or get certain special items/weapons?
Was dual audio ever a norm with the Fire Emblem series? Or do people assume one game having it means the rest should have it?
The sample size of fire Emblem games with voice acting at all, prior to this, is exactly one.
Er. The Tellius series.
@MrPerson0 if they include it once, why would you expect them to exclude it the next time? All it does is set people up for disappointment.
I thought about the Tellius series… but I can’t remember any voice acting in those? It’s been a very long time since I played them, though. Do you have a link to a video?
Every animated cutscene had them. I distinctly remember Rolf’s and Mia’s horrifying voices.
https://youtu.be/cUwjrIU9AsE?t=46s
Oh, I see. I must have blocked it out of my memory.
There weren’t very many cutscenes in these games, though, and they came before the time when consumers really started requesting dual audio on a frequent basis.
Honestly, there were likely a variety of technical reasons why it didn’t happen this time, but DLC would be nice. I don’t think they’ll do it, though, especially if the licensing concerns outweighed the size limitations.
Just to make sure, this is saying that only the Japanese versions of Fates will be going on sale when buying extra routes? As in, the NA release that is coming out soon will not get this discount?
Meh. I’m done buying Nintendo of America products; rent or used from now. I still like their games (Nintendo of Japan’s) but I’m tired of paying the localization company full price for half the product.
Half the product is a pretty big stretch isn’t it? Literally all they removed was tapping a screen for an extra minigame. I get having a stance against changes, but let’s not make mountains out of proverbial ant hills here.
Forgive the hyperbole. I’ll give a realistic % next time. When I say half though I meant half the audio (as per the article). Having dual audio was a realistic expectation given the last entry.
And while I don’t personally care about the skinship thing or Soleil at all, I’m getting tired of the cultural sanitizing. I’ve been seeing this happen as long as bars have been cafes in Final Fantasy and Holy was Pearl. It doesn’t affect the gameplay but it’s getting old all the same. I’m jaded with financially supporting it. I can still support the franchise by buying the originals.
Fair enough. I guess I just see so many hyperbolic extreme opinions on the webs these days I can’t exactly tell who’s being serious any more.
I do kind of disagree on the audio bit still though. It was explained pretty thoroughly in this update why it was an issue for this game, and a one game precedent is not enough to make it a series required option. That said I did wish it was there, as the dub quality is iffy, but its not a dealbreaker for me at least.
I do kinda agree with the cultural sanitation thing, but I guess I’m just not too jaded on the whole thing as long as it remains fairly minor. I see it as the trade-off of not just learning Japanese myself. Actually cutting significant gameplay would trigger me though.
It’s a 1st world problem at its core, took decades to reach this point. I’ll still play the games, I just won’t pay for them to assert my disapproval. And as it were, being in the middle of learning Japanese is probably fueling this change since I’m now presented alternatives.
I don’t buy the audio explanation. Space limitation realistically isn’t a concern. More likely coding for it would be too much hassle if they’re cutting and rearranging dialogue so a 1 for 1 swap won’t be possible any more. Perhaps licensing. Either way, nothing is ever required but a precedent is a precedent. Can you imagine the uproar if they didn’t include the MU feature this time?
But yeah. While gameplay > everything, it’d be nice to get a product that wasn’t whitewashed. It’s also rather disrespectful to the source culture in my eyes i.e., this creepy shit might fly in Japan but not here.
I usually only see people wanting Japanese audio when they claim that the English voice acting is bad (which is more often than not a load of pretentious weeb-bias anyway), but that wasn’t the case with Awakening at all. I see no reason to believe NOA would deny Fates the same level of quality control, especially after how much more representation Fire Emblem has gotten in the west after Awakening and Smash 4.
It’s actually non-debatable that more effort goes into the Japanese dub in most cases. They have auditions, directors, record as a group, etc; voice acting is big money. These people are professionals and celebrities. In the West, they call up Johnny, Vic, Yuri, have them phone it in, and call it a day. Your own ‘merca-bias is no less pretentious.
I can’t tell if this is bate or you’re really stupid enough to believe that western voice actors aren’t auditioned or have directors. Don’t argue with a voice actor about what voice acting is like.
You for real dude?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/08/nintendo_treehouse_staffer_talks_localisation_voice_acting_and_playing_non-nintendo_games_for_research
As someone who works in the industry, they do have directors, auditions, and no, they don’t just phone it in. There are voice actors that are frequently recast into similar roles, but they have to audition for those roles just as much as anyone else. The voice actor industry is more competitive and more glamorous in Japan (they are treated like celebrities), but it is also lower paying, not higher. Go check out the union rates for voiceover work if you don’t believe me.
If you’re referring to ISDN or source connect for phoning it in, you are mistaken in thinking this is a lower quality method of recording. Generally when this method is used to record, it’s done by connecting one professional level studio to another; one with the voice director and the other with the actor. While it is true that often character lines are recorded in isolation, loop groups do happen sometimes, but that’s far more common in western animation. ADR is utilized far more often for localization.
The quality of the voiceover work in the US depends highly on the director, the actors, and the budget. Higher budget media gets phenomenal dubs, like Fate Zero, but games often do not have the budget to hire the first rate voice actors. The pool of excellent voice actors is far lower in the US than Japan, and it costs far more to hire the good ones due to acting unions.
Please do your research before making such broad claims.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are useful when you’re not trying to write an essay. I was responding to the notion that it’s mostly pretentious weebs that enjoy JP audio for no legitimate reason. And no, I didn’t mean phone in literally.
I’m aware some have directors and auditions. No idea how many. I also know there’s plenty of in-house dubbing; looking at you FUNimation. I’m also aware the seiyuu business pays crap (mostly inspired to learn this from Shirobako) and they’re paid by rank. The top grade Seiyuu make most of their money through other means using their acquired fame as the catalyst.
While I was being aggressive, I didn’t mean to blanketly suggest that voice acting in the US is necessarily bad, only that our Japanese counterparts have a stronger seiyuu industry and it shows. There’s obviously many phenomenal Western dubbed products: the Final Fantasies, Stella Glow, Shin Megami, etc. Most local games like Naughty Dog’s The Last of Us have amazing voice work. But as a long time consumer, it’s easy to tell when the localization was short changed and irritating when it’s your only option. Contrary to Biaza’s claim, I have more examples of bad dubbing than I can count.
As an aside, I refuse to believe Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Young Bosch are God’s gift to voice acting and that’s why they “win” so many auditions. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t nepotism at play.
Almost everything with voice acting of any sort has a director. They are the ones who choose the actors from the auditions and the ones who give voice direction during recording. Hence, why I said the quality of the dub depends on them; if they are not on the precise wavelength of the original author, catastrophe can occur. While it is their job to do that, some of them try to re-direct the work in a direction other than originally intended for various reasons.
Studios like funimation or ocean group that do every voice recording in-house with their own actors are actually NOT the norm. They do get a lot of titles in the anime realm, though, because their reputation for quality is higher than most.
There is nepotism at play. That is how acting works! Everyone auditions, but unless you have a knockout voice that fits exactly what they wanted and something that gives them a semblance of the idea that you can be directed easily, they are going to go with the safer, known gamble of working with a well known actor that has proven to be very successful in the past. Voice recording is very expensive. They need to know you can give them what they want in a reasonable timeframe, because they are recording you on their dime. Every take costs them more money.
The US scene for voice acting in games and media is progressively getting better, though, but it will take time for it to be taken as seriously in localization as it is in western works.
Broad, hyperbolic claims are not okay, especially when they are ill founded.
I play with the JPN audio on 98% of the time in Awakening- turned it off on chapter 12 and never looked back. I recently finished my first playthrough with the ENG voices on the whole time- overall a very good dub, but still not as good as the original (especially Inigo. Ughhh.) However, I think Fates’ dub is worse than Awakening’s, from what I’ve seen. Most of the voices I can live with (Though somewhat unhappily in Marxander’s case- he sounds like Chrom (Don’t get me wrong, I love Chrom, but Marxander is such a different character that it’s unfitting.) but my biggest problem is Azura’s singing voice vs. Aqua’s. In If, Aqua has a professional VA for her talking voice and a professional singer for her singing voice. In Fates, they got a professional VA to do both voices, so while her talking voice is just as good, her singing is… incredibly inferior.
On that note, does anyone know where I can legally buy Renka’s CD? I want to support her career, but It wasn’t on Itunes last I checked & buying it on Ebay wouldn’t get any money to her.
It’s not really the same though….
No thanks. I played the first one. It was atrocious.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone would want to play Project x Zone 2 after trying the first one. lol
The game definitely overstayed its welcome. It just wasn’t engaging enough to warrant its length.
Dat DRAGON OF DOJIMA, tho…I might buy the sequel when it meets the same fate as its predecessor at retail, i.e., massive price cuts.
Eh, don’t really care.
The first one was repetitive and tedious. And on a personal note, I didn’t like the lack of an English cast.
who care seriously only having one language ? i am more worried about the European release
I guess I can always mute. It’s not like I play Fire Emblem to hear white guys make sexy grunts.
There is a lot more than grunting I’ve found which is why I’ve chosen not to mute.
GAH!! How could I have missed this? Toronto isn’t that far from me, I could have BEEN there. That is incredibly disappointing.
I would do nasty, nasty things for one of them Falchions. 😀
Bought four booster boxes of the first series, ended up at around 250$ with shipping and import fees included. Would love to buy the other ones but the student life is not easy in the monetary department…
Don’t forget that the Sigurd/Xander art is by Rika Suzuki who has been contributing to FE for 20 years!
Makes me ever sadder that this game hasn’t come west.
All I care about is that the mouth flaps synch well enough and the English grammar doesn’t suffer for it. Last time I checked, most dialogue remains in text form anyway, with only the “grunts” and “battle cries” and other canned lines at the ready for accompaniment, with portraits that are static. Unless that’s somehow different this time around, and non-cutscene dialogue gets voiced more, I don’t see it being that big a deal for me.
My actual issue with the game is the setting, but that’s me being a filthy westerner who needs to learn to realize that they’re not trying to say the west is inherently evil or something by making all the western characters be on the “dark” side of conquest. 😛
Absolutely going to be beautiful after the sprites are made.
do i need to reach certain part of the game of the free content or just down right download it?
You need to beat chapter 6 in order to enter in any codes or purchase DLC from within the game’s Dragon Gate.
I’m glad to see Rena feels that way, the life of a voice actor certainly has its troubles… but yes finally the game has come out ~.~
Your welcome! 😀
It is an honor to have a word with the actress of Azura.
GameStop preordered Special Edition won’t get to me until Monday. I had really hoped it would get to me by today, but oh well. What you gonna do?
Ive been playing today and, being honest, i didnt expected much at the beginning, but im glad to say i was wrong, the dubbing its well done!! and Azura’s voice is just so sweet <3 ty for your hard work miss Strober!
Nice, playing the game now and the dub isn’t so bad. Better in than Awakening in fact, which was pretty good, too, for the most part. Still it would be nice to have the CHOICE to change language.
Especially with it comes to the Avatar. The male voices I’m mostly fine with, but I’m split on the voices for the female. Mature one is perfectly fine. Middle one is okay, my only issue with it is that its a little too similar to the mature one. The young one is just…..ugh. Annoying sounding rather than young or cute sounding.
I’m guessing you can’t turn it off completely? ._.
Dubbing songs that were written for a different language is much harder than dubbing normal speaking. Even before considering that, I think Ms. Strober has a wonderful voice, and the dub itself is really very good. It’s awesome that she actually found the thread here! ^.^
I reached chapter 10 and was pleasantly surprised. The dubs are not bad at all! (I’m not a fan of the translated version of the song though, as much as I love Azura’s voice)
Well I’m glad she’s gotten to see some great comments and just not the bad!
I thought she did a very excellent job as Aqua (azura). I was suspicious at first as-well, mostly because of all the fear-mongering on /v/; however was pleasantly surprised. I think Azura’s voice was very well done. While some voices were somewhat lacking… Azura’s was not one of them.
Effie…..
When I first heard her English voice, it took a couple minutes to register because of how insanely different it is from the Japanese version. Is it bad? Not my place to say, but you do get a different impression on her character, and that’s what gets me.
I was admittedly a bit wary of how she was going to do, but that’s moreso because a song going from Japanese to English rarely sounds decent, but I was legitimately impressed.
Nice job, Rena! Though the song has been stuck in my head for awhile now…
So Fates released “universally in North America”! Universally as in the universe. Because North America is the universe. GG to Europe/Australia.
Yeah , i have been following Abdallah because of Fates he is playing on normal classic so not a big challenge but still fun to watch he is a good guy so i advise you to lose some time watching some of his videos , he got Conquest Chapter 6 and Revelation Chapter 6 and his Birthright is 13 or 14 😉
Don’t forget that he also does Yokai Watch and I enjoy that. If he wants a real challenge, Hard/Classic is the way to go.
How can you have fun watching his vids? Like, he’s a really cool guy and all, but he grinded so hard that his characters overpower everything and yet he somehow still plays really bad. Like he’ll be afraid to send his guy against an opponent when he one rounds them and they have like a 30% chance of doing 4 damage. Then he’ll get all upset when he kills an enemy and only gets 1 Exp (like what do you expect after all that grinding).
Again, he seems real cool, but he does a bunch of little things that irritate me. He takes way too long on his turns (when he can literally bum rush everything), he says “essentially” way too much, he constantly compares himself to Silas (who he honestly looks nothing like; and the joke is just overplayed now), he feels himself way too hard over crappy strats (like it’s totally an accomplishment that he was able to beat a certain character during a certain chapter; of course you can when your characters are crazy OP, lol), and I can see how some people enjoy it but I dislike him reading every line of dialogue.
I do feel like a total hater here, especially when I did enjoy watching the first video that I saw from him (I think it was Paralogue 1), but the more I watched, the more I disliked. I definitely wish him the best and he’s obviously doing things right if he’s got fans (fans who love to spoil crap in the YouTube comments), but it’s just not for me.
Also, he’s at Birthright Ch.17, although it was probably 16 when you posted your comment.
But yea, tldr; I’d probably still enjoy watching him if he didn’t grind his characters to super OP levels (or at least not act like he has to worry about his characters getting killed when they’re so OP) and if he didn’t say “essentially” all the time, like literally all the time, lol. Definitely not a bad dude and someone worth supporting.
Edit: Check out this moment from Birthright Ch. 15
https://youtu.be/8Ke18yC6tAA?t=1132
He has a 100% hit rate and will OHKO the enemy, but because the enemy has a 51% chance of dealing 17 damage (less than half his own character’s health), he is afraid of it and performs a bunch of unnecessary actions instead.
Just one example of why I find him frustrating to watch, lol.
everything fate related is fun as long as you are bored as i am xD
Btw Frozenrose try Omegaevolution in youtube from what i read you might like him 😛
I known Abdallah for 3-4 Years, he used to be a very nice guy, he always talked to people,did live streams of Mario Kart 7,Luigis Mansion and Animal Crossing every weekend and even offered his Skype, he did a Fire Emblem Awakening play through and really seemed to enjoy it, his reactions seemed genuine, now he’s become more and more and more greedier with money, he never really talks to anyone on Skype, we all used to have a Skype group chat with many other people, it became extremely fun, I met so many great people (like MegamanNG which also posted a reply) his reactions are very forced and doesn’t even finish Lets plays at all, back then he lets played them through the end, now all he does is play games for a little bit and quits, you can argue that Yo-Kai Watch is still strong and standing but the reason is, is because how many views he gets, compared to other lets play, Yo-Kai watch has many views and likes, Abdallah only cares from getting a profit out of all of this, he grinds has much has possible and a PRIME example is Fire emblem Fates and Fantasy Life, he’s gotten to the point where its boring, He complains about very stupid reason like getting 1 EXP(Frozen Rose’s comment also explains more of this) Abdallah has changed from being someone nice, to a Greedy rude person, I have a friend who helper Abdallah with apotheosis, and its true everything he said, he told me the units he was going to use before Abdallah posted the videos, and he was right, Abdallah never credited him, he helped him so much its very sad he never even once got mentioned, Abdallah ALSO calls himself the “King” of every game, like even his twitter says “Pax-South King” which is very stupid when there are clear better people than him, he makes very stupid plans and always thinks that Blitzing through everything is a “GOOD” strategy, there are many other youtubers who can do a much better job than him. OmegaEvolution,MegamanNG are people I say can far surpass is quality!
Abdallah is an interesting guy to say the least. He’s a nice guy for the most part, but like GamingBrosX714 has said, he has recently changed to the mindset of most other big youtubers. If a series isn’t getting the views he wants, he’ll cancel it. That aside, he is known for completely grinding the difficulty out of any rpg he plays. Awakening was included in this. He justified his grinding by it being in preparation for Apotheosis…
This is no different in Fates. I can guarantee when he starts his Conquest playthrough, he’ll grind the heck out of the DLC there to breeze through that game as well. I personally don’t think it’s much fun to watch a playthrough where someone just steamrolls through everything with no strategy. People would argue against this (himself included), but it’s hard to see why you need much of a strategy after the amount of grinding he does+normal mode.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s still a nice guy, it’s just I wish he at least chose a higher difficulty to compensate if he were to grind this much, but to each their own I guess.
I support Abdallah but I wonder if this means you’ll include other YouTubers as well… like me, MegamanNG. I am also doing Fire Emblem: Fates but it’s more of a non-commentated kind of game.
Oh and Abdallah’s videos are that good. He delivers especially on the commentary side.
The answer is that yes, eventually we will have a way for people to submit their stuff and we’ll include it on the site. We’re figuring out how that’s going to work still.
I know you guys will figure it out. I’ll wait as long as it takes because I want to contribute for the good of all things Fire Emblem… that and since Chrom and Lucina are in Project X Zone 2, I want to add that in too.
I support Abdallah in both his Fire Emblem Fate’s video and Yo-Kai Watch video
Sweet!
Sigurd and Xander both look like they’ve had a little too much to drink. 😀
I’d REALLY like to watch his Fates videos, but I don’t want to get spoiled.
I,m happy to win the special edition
Yay fire emblem fates birthright ☺☺☺☺☺
Does anybody know if people outside the U.S can participate as well?
While I doubt it, you could ask him on twitter or post a comment on the youtube video.
I tweeted him about it and he said that there was no problem. But since the game is US edition your console must be of the american model. I’m from Brazil and the model sold here is the american one. 🙂
https://twitter.com/AbdallahNATION/status/703613828521598976
Ms. Strober, I realize this is a bit late, but thank you for using your beautiful voice for FE: Fates. I’ve really enjoyed the game so far, and the music is great! Not to mention Azuras voice really suits her, it gives her more of a real/loving appeal imo.
Comparing FE4’s map and the unknown world map, it seems that the south east somewhat resembles Verdane with it’s lake dried up. http://s35.photobucket.com/use…
Accesorie sharing its so usefull
Shield sharing is super practical, for farming discounts at stores and resources in general.
It honestly gets so addicting once you get into the swing of hopping between castles. It’s great for boosting supports too without overpowering your characters.
Especially in Conquest, where you don’t even get EXP/WeaponEXP from them. You just get SupportBoosts, so you can actually get kids!
Yea, fully utilizing My Castle is pretty much REQUIRED to 100% Conquest, because you can’t use the world map to support grind like in Birthright and Revelation. You could theoretically use DLC maps to support grind even if you don’t get EXP (excepting Boo Camp), but My Castle also gives you weapon resources and access to Hoshidan weapons and rods (like the super useful Festals).
I can’t wait to see how people use Anna when Anna on the Run hits, because Anna is a fully developed unit (technically on disc DLC in fact) with support conversations and even marriage if I’m not mistaken, unlike the 4 amiibo units. And of course Ballasticians and Witches seem like amazing classes.
well you do get your weapon proficiency up and support up just no XP unless they have weapons equipped and fight back
Bu-bu-bu-bu-but my SE is still coming!! DX (Wait, does this even have a time limit?)
Nah this list will be *forever*
My castle code: 04188-32062-74520-38285
So sad it’s May 20, that’s about a week before my exams start.
Wow, Europe’s SE is a bit better than ours. I guess they’re trying to make up for the delay.
Hey, don’t forget that Japan is getting more DLC maps for Fates/If. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/bfwj/download/map3.html
I was totally waiting for a full-on translation before throwing it up, but you got me :X. Vincent tacked it on for me though!
Wow! 😀
Thought that they were through with making them. But…with so many skills unused it would make sense that we’d get more of these. Now waiting for the translation of them!
Something about an Anna map, children’s story map, Hoshido festival map, and Nohr festival map.
I am really excited about this giveaway I REALLY love this series and I really want to win this Good luck everyone 😉
Don’t forget! March 10 Revelation! Of course, of course… for NA. 😛
If I live in the US but want to buy the EU version of Fates, can I buy an EU 3ds and play the EU fates on it even though I’ll be playing it in the US? Or will it still region lock me? I just want to buy the game with less censorship, and this is the only other option that I can think of (except for a fan patch, but I’d rather support the game by purchasing it).
If you use an EU 3DS to play the EU version of Fates, I’m 99% sure you’ll be just fine.
Oh, less censorship for EU? What did they keep?
It is unknown what is censored in the european version.
We have to wait until the games come out…
At least they don´t officially say anything about censorship/localisation for europe.
So theoretically it could be that nothing will be censored….
Oh, alright, thanks for clarifying! He said he wanted less censorship so I thought there were known differences. ^^
Anyone else who purchased Map Pack 1 seeing the problem that even after they update their Dragons Gate through the Internet, that they’re not seeing Royal Royale? If it was meant to be released post direct like they made it seem, I’m not seeing it at all.
Royal Royale isn’t supposed to release until the 17th I thought.
That’s what it says on the page too, but this article and the Fates direct itself make it out to be released already
Oh no, if you brought map pack 1 then you brought it. Each map releases on a different date which mean you have to go in the start menu and redownload it. The price is just cheaper if you get the pack.
No, I meant the article and direct made it sound like the Map Royal Royale came out two days ago, when in reality in comes out in a little over a week.
Awesome! 😀
Europe is also getting only the Special Edition of the game to make it even better for the longer wait for this inevitable game!
Genbu Ronku will be something to look forward to in June! More to eat our wallets to a game that is going to be subtitled!
Anyone know some store that is already announcing preorder for the special edition in europe?
Is this game also censored?
I don’t want to play a game with a diferent ending than the original.
The ending wasn´t censored in the US Version?
I think…. O_o
It was altered…
Then say me, what was changed? O_o
Apparently they changed the ending so that there aren’t bad endings like character deaths. A
Well, from what I know the only things being censored were the “skinshipping” (aka litterally petting your units to increase support) and the Soleil controversy (where dialogues made it seem like the Avatar “cured” the gayness of a female character to date her, which was removed in the US)
The thing about not having character deaths (or more accurately, respawn on the next turn) is just a mode you’re free to play with or without (enjoy the game as you like ^^) but it’s preset in every version, Japanese, US and EU too…
But I don’t know, I didn’t look for things about the ending, I didn’t want to spoil me the whole plot ^^’
I’m really wanting this version as well. Where do I give them all my money?
Awesome for getting skills. Kinda sucks with the limited Nohr funds, though. The gold grinding DLC can be surprisingly difficult, too- since the enemy spawns are random.
Just out of curiosity- anyone got a Soleil or Velouria with Lunge? I’m offering various skills in mine as well (Beruka with Air Superiority, Azura with Rend Heaven, etc).
Special Edition Placeholder is up on Amazon Germany
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01AK3VGS6
Character Movies.
Hmmm….
Boingy bits in HD!
I can neither confirm nor deny my anticipation for this.
Is this just the Japanese soundtrack or will it have the English tracks as well? (Ex: Azura’s Song with English Lyrics)
Uh, as with any Japanese soundtrack, it’s just the Japanese tracks.
Oh ok thanks I’m hoping for a US one soon.
To be honest, I wouldn’t hold your breath. Games rarely release soundtracks in the west.
Alright thanks maybe I will pick this up then I love the soundtrack regardless.
Wish I could buy this!
You can probably import it, but it’ll leave a 6800 Yen + shipping hole in your wallet!
Where can we preorder this from?
I don’t think it’s up for preorder anywhere quite yet. I didn’t see it on my usual locations for importing. I didn’t check Amazon JP, but you probably can’t import it from there without a mail proxy.
you can get it from amazon.jp without the air thing. now as long as it says sold and shipped from amazon they will ship internationally
CD Japan! They are amazing!
amazon.jp way better than cd japan. you pay less in total
Now the most important question… Will we Europeans have Japanese voice acting? would be really sad if not (especially since I like some seiyuus… :/)
Oh no, I can already feel the pain in my bank account… But I HAVE to get this!
I need this. Also, is there any new on the Live Orchestral DVD? When will that be out?
It should have released on 24th February, assuming there were no delays.
CDJapan has it in stock: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSBI-34
It is out! I got my copy a couple of weeks ago 🙂
Elise and Sakura playing the harp outta be good to play when going to sleep. Better make plans for
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSBI-34
this abysmal stock especially since you cannot buy imports from amazon.jp.
You actually can buy DVDs, CDs, and Books from Amazon.co.jp if you’re an international customer. Just not really anything else. They only have express shipping though, but considering it usually starts at CD Japan’s SAL prices… Regardless, their listing still hasn’t started accepting preorders yet.
You can preorder the Fates OST from CDJapan here: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/TSZM-49
I got mine on the day of release, I live in Australia! I definitely highly recommend them
Hey just just wanted to share this but i tried looking for a pattern of feed your astral dragon in your castle to see if i coulde get more stats for it and what do you know if found it. instead of giving it a food item for +1 stat for 2 stats this pattern give 5 stats a +1 every time you feed it. this is the pattern i’ve tried Meat,Cabbage,Milk ,Wheat, berry. From what i notice its just like giving proper diet to the dragon. so yeah give it a try and have a nice day
If I hadn’t just blown $200 replacing my stolen 3DS (with a 2DS) and buying Fates (and rebuying Awakening), I’d jump on this. =w=
Yay for no tax! Mwahahahaaa~! Too bad I’m waiting until Spring break though… Like a good student… *sighs*
I’m also hoping some sort of sale pops up.
*makes grabby hands @ libra and elise cards* Are there any FE titles not in Cipher yet btw?
So far, only Gaiden and The Sacred Stones (would make a nice set together). The Elibe cards will start with Series 5 (Binding Blade), while Jugdral starts with Series 6 (Genealogy). From there, you can expect Blazing Sword and Thracia to arrive eventually.
My castle code- 02015-42170-73471-11776
Aaaah, I want these so bad.
92444 Minutes to fates release in Europe so i am waiting but it is always nice to know more content is coming
no point blank scroll as reward?
I wonder why they left the children’s default hair colors, now we won’t know whose parents are except for the fathers!
Hmmm. I have a few more bucks to spend on dlc. Which one which one… Grrr… I really want to get Nohr, but I know that as SOON as i buy the route, it’ll go 50% off or something… *sighs*
Fredrick is slacking on the job…
wonder if anyone will mention that there are FE:Fates badges in the badge arcade for a limited time.
Leo and Subaki are my favorites. X3 So cute! Camilla must have some Deeprealms physics in her. Her boobs are confusing.
Huh, no Elise? That’s surprising. Or did I miss something?
why though
why not though
Really wish Nintendo localized this game. These cards just look really nice, I really want to try the game out.
They look so snazzy and pretty, I want it
my castle address is
10093-76017
43689-45765
if you want ass me ask for my friend code =)
*Patiently awaits the rekka no ken series*
I love Rekka no Ken so much, I can’t wait for it – do you think it’ll be paired up with Sacred Stones or more Binding Blade?
I can see sacred stones more
Anna has a Halloween costume. Wow…
Series 5 is definitely the best so far.
I pre ordered this on amazon but im debating on whether I should wait to see if it gets an English release because it will have the Japanese singers and while I do like them I do prefer the dub singer what do you think?
If you can afford it, get both. FEA soundtrack sold out super quick and was on eBay for $300+ before they re-released it, so don’t take any chances. If the English one does come out, then perhaps sell it. I’ll probably get both, I reckon they’ll do an English one.
true true
hi guys i was planning on visiting japan next month and was wondering where i can find these packs to buy? id love to collect them
Cruel. XD
All bundles containing the Fates SE sold out within 30 mins… just the console left now
Already sold out… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Please amazon, manage to get these coins as a preorder bonus for all european countries outside of the UK D:
Man. Would love to have these deals in my part of the globe.
The price cuts for everything makes it as much of a steal as the Gen 1 Pokemon games for $10 each.
I’m guessing April Fools joke
No it´s real….
The only joke is Nintendo UK’s incredible timing : P
Aw man!! The UK gets lots of cool stuff with their bundle… As a collector of FE products, this is very depressing…
If you preorder Birthright or Conquest from the Nintendo UK store, you get a free t-shirt as well as a free Fates home screen theme.
Birthright: http://m.store.nintendo.co.uk/games-3ds/fire-emblem-fates-birthright-t-shirt/11265861.html
Conquest: http://m.store.nintendo.co.uk/games-3ds/fire-emblem-fates-conquest-t-shirt/11265856.html
I thought I’d share that.
Wait, is this just for Europe or is this including US? EDIT: And I didn’t read enough. Nvm
The coin is for only UK or for all Europe??? I have seen in other pages that it’s for all Europe but when I reserved my copy they didn’t said me anything of a gift of something. And it’s only a gift they gift you only reserving the special edition and not normal copies??
This book just gives us more and more and more.
I think Mist’s concept art is showing her in her Valkyrie outfit from Path of Radiance. The colors just weren’t finalized at the time.
Easily one of my favorite Fire Emblem games with a US release.
Would love an HD remaster of this and Radiant Dawn.
I second this. And unlike Twilight Princess HD I would happily pay $50 for such a collection.
Just…only as long as they don’t do anything to tamper with the gameplay and try to “Awakenize” the games in a desperate attempt to get more of the new crowd to buy it.
Ugh, no, I think I’d get pretty angry if they did Awakenize my two favourite games of the whole series. Like flashier animations would be a nice addition, but all the extra stuff? No thanks.
Seconding this. I would love the supports to be put back in RD, but I’d also be scared they’d Awakenize that >>
It’s a sad state of affairs when you consider a scenario where the games are remastered and untouched, and you realize that newer fans likely would boycott the game for having no waifus and actual strategy.
Are you implying that Path of Radiance demands more strategic thinking than newer games in the franchise?
I really love Path of Radiance for its characters and story, but the game is probably the easiest FE game together with Sacred Stones, at least in my eyes.
Since I’m European I haven’t had the chance to play Fates yet, so no comments on that. But I’d argue that Awakening as a whole, together with Sacred Stones, is far easier than any other game in the series. PoR doesn’t have much going for it in terms of difficulty compared to the other games, but I was mainly referring to RD when I wrote that.
Either of the Tellius games are still miles better than Awakening, though.
Besides, Radiant Dawn had save scumming where you can save within the chapter and manipulate growth rates as you please.
Small thing about Ike’s section: Sephiran *is* the Duke of Persis, but the wording implies that they were different people.
Mist was going to be a magic lord? Dang it! That sounded like a great idea!
Does anyone know how much money this Will cost?
It says at the end of the article that it is $79.99 in the US as to other countries they have not said yet.
Brb going to get my eyes checked
I’ll skip the LE. Like every other recent Nintendo of Emuricano LE, it costs more than it’s actually worth.
I’ll happily get the game though if my budget allows for it.
A bit nervous about this considering the direction the series is taking.
I pray to Duma that he will banish the waifus.
“WaifuSims #FE!!1”
“Take your favourite #FE characters like Marth and Link and make your own waifu/husbando! Includes dirtydirty mode for the kids! Must pay to win. You will be a big fat loser if you don’t pay for this. NINTENDO! ^_^ “
Mayhap I take the divine Sword of Seals and melt the brainz of whatever clown thought this up?
Gods.
I permit the prompt enactment of the collection and employment of the sacred weapons, holy weapons, divine weapons, regalia weapons and everything else you can think of.
*WEEEE!* I get Forblaze!! 😀
I’d just like to say that Seisen no Keifu was probably one of the best Fire Emblem games ever, period. The marriage-and-children mechanic was a part of this series long before the GBA games. Back when the series was REALLY hardcore. And before you say that’s not waifu sim because there’s no avatar… The avatar is a single character. The majority of characters you’re marrying are still canon-on-canon relationships.
I don’t really see FE4 as a waifu sim, though. The parent/children mechanic was a part of the story and it worked. What I’m satirizing is the notion that the series is moving away from good story (more or less) and more towards matchmaking that doesn’t have any purpose outside of waifu/husbando. As smart phones tend toward popular entertainment and the type of person who “just doesn’t have time to get involved in anything so instead I play Bubbles 23,” I predict that the FE app is going to appeal to a lower common denominator and the most logical manifestation of that is the waifu/husbando sort of stuff.
Now, I could be entirely wrong (HOPE!! I HOPE I’m entirely wrong!!! DX ) but the opportunity was simply too grand for me not to make fun of. And I had to make fun of the peripheral corporate types who just don’t get Fire Emblem.
It’s not wise to joke about such things.
About damn time. Shadow Dragon/New Mystery’s touch control scheme was MADE for mobile platforms. Bunch that up with the GBA engine’s “instant save” option and you instantly have a mobile-intuitive Fire Emblem mobile game.
I’ve been waiting for this for years.
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being pay to win and failing before we ever see a release outside of Japan like the Disgaea mobile game.
Wat.
Well, it’s official, Fire Emblem didn’t forget its roots, it set them on fire and is shitting all over the burned corpse, now it’s just waifus and shit plots
All for that sweet, sweet cash.
You mean the stuff they use to make their games? Don’t they… need that to make more games?
Of course, they also make money on the older games as well, just not in the massive amounts that they so desire (and probably need nowadays due to Wii U’s failure, even though they have so much money in the bank) these days.
I’m pretty sure we don’t know there’ll be “waifus” in this theoretical mobile game. I’d also like to note a couple of things. First, Fates was more emotionally moving than anything I saw in FE7. Second, Fire Emblem was dying. Perhaps it didn’t deserve to, but it was dying. This change of direction made it appealing to a much broader number of people (especially in Japan, where “waifu” culture is practically much intertwined with gamer culture) and saved the franchise. So it’s not such a bad thing, is it?
Fates was a commercial sucsess because they actually marketed it, that’s what almost killed Fire Emblem, bad word of mouth because you had to actually try to beat the game when today’s generation is used to having victory handed to them, and because it doesn’t matter how good your game is, you can’t just silently put it on store shelves and expect sales to come
It was inevitable, considering the way the series has been going lately.
EDIT: “the Fire Emblem app will be designed to be more accessible compared to previous games”
How? What else can they possibly remove to make the game any more accessible? Oh right, the weapons triangle. They can remove that and remove weapon tiers like steel or silver so that characters and the convoy item lists will just consist of “Sword, Sword, Sword, Sword, Lance, Lance, Lance, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”. They remove durability with Fates and added funky effects, they can just remove the weapons triangle and add even more funky effects.
>”Sword, Sword, Sword, Sword, Lance, Lance, Lance, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”
You mean like how it was before? The Fates weapon system is actually one of the new parts that worked IMO. It made me actually consider which weapon I wanted to use instead of just going with the most cost effective Iron or Steel weapon, and never using a legendary until the last like 2 missions. I feel like some people cling to durability too much for nostalgias sake. If it was implemented better than I can see the argument for it, but it was usually more annoyingly restrictive than anything challenging or deep
No, it was never anything like that.
Fate’s weapon system helped to make the game rather boring. I never felt like I needed to change weapons most of the time and I never really bothered to unless accuracy was too low.
And if I had to describe Fate’s weapon system like the above quote, it’d be more like: “Sword, Trash, Trash, Trash, Lance, Trash, Trash, Axe, Trash, Trash, Trash, Probably Useful Axe, Bow, Book, Potion, Potion, etc.”
Some people might “cling” to durability for nostalgia’s sake but many people also like durability because it adds to the gameplay.
I’m genuinely curious as to what you thought it added to the gameplay. In my experience it just usually meant I could rarely use a low use item until the last like 2 maps in case I needed them. I don’t feel like it allowed you more dynamic solutions or strategies but rather just a sense that using anything other than Iron or Steel for your battles was cost ineffective.
I do think durability would work if implemented correctly though. Like I think FE4’s system was a solid foundation for a durabilty system, where you can reforge broken weapons in castles. But I would keep the variety of effects from Fates though, since I fealt that really added more decisions to which weapon you choose.
I do feel if Durability was to make a return, I am hoping for a Berwick Saga like system where every time you use a weapon, it increases in the chance of breakage in different tiers. So a weapon in the yellow condition has an 4-8% of breaking and a weapon in the darker red has a 50% chance of breaking. Add that with you getting a blacksmith at a certain point of the game to restore weapons, I think it would be an amazing system to use.
Certain weapons have differing tiers for breakage and maintenance. One could pay to repair their weapons post-chapters or use a Hammerne staff or wetting stone to restore uses in battles.
If it’s releasing this year, I doubt it’s a very big game. Maybe something based on Cipher or something.
Im hoping that Kaga is releasing his for android.
I’m just hoping his game will get a translation patch quickly.
That’s the least likely event to happen. I’m learning japanese now and even my instructor has difficulty reading his material. And she reads many japanese authors.
More accessible =/= mobile games. If anything, it makes it LESS accessible. I for one, would not be able to play this, should we ever get it, as I don’t have a phone capable of playing games, and I don’t really want one. Releasing a mobile game for the series will only limit the number of people who will get to play the game, and create a gap in time between consoles releases, both of which will make some people forget about, or lose interest in the series.
Rest In Pieces Nintendo.
> More accessible =/= mobile games.
Perhaps you’re right. I’m actually in the same boat. I do have an iPad, but it’s outdated. In Japan, however, mobile games are a HUGE deal. There are many mobile games with a bigger player base than some of our biggest MMOs here in the English-speaking world. This move was probably more directed at the Japanese audience than anyone. We’re just getting it because Awakening and Fates sold really well. That’d be my guess.
The majority of Android games (and I assume its similar for iOS), even newer ones almost always have an automatic low setting so it shouldn’t be a problem having enough players out there who can play the game.
You have to consider where they are though. They’re a Japanese company, and mobile gaming has basically taken over there.
Besides, you don’t know how many people from Intelligent Systems are working on this. I don’t see this inhibiting future console/handheld games.
There are millions upon MILLIONS of people who have smart devices that are capable of playing games, much much more than the amount of 3DS owners out there, so this actually WILL make the series more accessible to a hell of a lot more people. Especially if Nintendo and DeNa make sure to develop it like most other mobile devs and have the game runnable on devices at least 4 years back.
This. The userbase of smartphones absolutely many times that of handhelds. That is the primary reason Nintendo’s shareholders have been pushing them to bring their IP to smartphones for a number of years, now.
Not too surprising really due to how popular the series has become. Don’t know what to expect from a mobile FE game, but as long as it’s enjoyable it should be fine.
Hm, interesting. I’ll try it out at some point if it’s made for Android~ That being said, do wish it would go back to some of the older roots, even if I do enjoy the new games too.
I love this so much! It contains 134 songs from the first 7 discs, then another 100+ as well as movie file son the data disc. Perfect for a collector and huge fan of the series!
“Prominent gameplay.”
Well I’d sure hope so.
That was quick. And I know it’s North America that’s getting this pack, but I like how we can play the beginning of Heirs of Fate on Children’s Day.
*Mind Blown*
Children’s Day?
As in the Asian holiday that seems exclusive to said countries?
I think the track list is actually incorrect. I have the soundtack here and there are 19 tracks on the 7th disc. The last track on the booklet says it is the ENISHI track. Just wanted to point that out.
I noticed that too (came here for the English translations of the track names)
Not bad considering this page was right for 133 of the other tracks, it’s just missing 1 track on the 7th disc 🙂
It isn’t missing, it is just misplaced. However this post is missing about 100 songs on the bonus DVD in the instrumental and Ver.AC folders.
That is true. I am frankly in awe of how much damn music is in this set!
i’m honestly okay with this. my main worry will be the micro transaction. But other than that, let it happen. It’s not like its gonna kill the franchise
For those saying “Oh mobile games are big in Japan”:
Location has nothing to do with it. Mobile gaming beats the pants off handheld and console gaming, even in America. There are over 120 million mobile game players in the US alone. As an example, compare that to the approximate 36 million PS4s sold /globally/. You could even extrapolate and say that each gamer purchases one of each console at best (which is not true, as many purchase multiple and households often share consoles), and the number of the primary 3 consoles sold (and therefore potential game sales) wouldn’t even breach 100 million globally. There are plenty of references for this across the internet. Do some research.
Mobile gaming is very, VERY profitable, not just because of microtransactions and gimmicks, but because the number of smartphone users so heftily outweigh the number of consoles and games to sell. Smartphones are seen as a necessity by a great number of people, which means you can directly market your mobile game to those people without needing them to buy specific hardware. This is in addition to the general mobile game design, which is designed to make short brief periods of play as optimal as possible, thereby maximizing the amount of play time for each player and the perceived value (enjoyment) the players get out of them. Additionally, there are so many more people that play mobile games and never touch any other form of video game, that it would be stupid to ignore the market.
Nintendo has great IP and shareholders that have been pushing them to take this very profitable IP into a more accessible domain. However, Nintendo’s standards of quality are quite high for new game ventures and platforms, so there’s a very good chance they will scrutinize this game thoroughly before releasing it. It would be wise to wait and see what they are planning to do before panicking saying “they’re ruining the series omg”. Keep in mind that Fire Emblem was, without a doubt, on the brink of dying before Awakening. That has since turned around and Fates has proven to them that FE is a top IP for them. They are trying to keep it popular and profitable through whatever means possible.
Morgan’s birthday AND Fates DLC?
And what about the remaining DLC for it like say the ones that were in Japan: Festival of Bonds.
That’s what I wanna know too. I want my Oboro artwork dammit!
I imagine those will be later, likely due to the immense amount of translating they have to do.
I’d love to work on the podcast
I just don’t live near any of those cities
Don’t worry, location isn’t a requirement : )
This is an awesome idea. Would love to check it out. Keep us updated
Color me interested. I’m not as active on SF as I used to be, but I’m a bit interested in doing something like this.
If not, then I’ll just be over here, enjoying the podcasts themselves. My username on the actual site is Nexas (Garnef atm though for reasons).
Um… I think my interest in applying is based on what sort of podcast this is going to be…
If it’s just talking about Fire Emblem and having fun whist doing it (and applying some of my audio production magic to it), I think I’m down…
If it’s calling Intelligent Systems and Nintendo for exclusive interviews each week whist flying to every Nintendo show and Video Game Con in order to kidnap Fire Emblem related people and/or grab up every remotely Fire Emblem-related piece of memorabilia for reviewing and always ending the show with informing the listener that they will never be a real Fire Emblem fan because he/she didn’t preorder Seisen no Keifu in 1996… *pant*pant*pant* then I don’t think I’m Emblemier (*gag* was that even a thing before Awakening?) enough…
I’m just a simple country Doctor… a college educated filmmaker who abandoned that in order to become a writer because he wanted to capture the spirit he felt in Fire Emblem. I’m not sure if I could produce a big journalistic-flavoured production….
So basically I ask this: What sort of podcast did you have in mind?
I would really love to see him work again.
Even if the game can no longer be under the name Fire Emblem as the Tear Ring Saga games have proven.
As far as we know, Kaga is currently working on Vestaria Saga, which is an indie follow up to his Saga games.
Cannot wait myself.
May be a while till an English patch as well.
Still waiting in vain for the Berwick Saga English patch along with Fire Emblem 5.
Is there a list of the composers in English? I’m not sure if Google Translate is very accurate.
…. This is pretty adorable. XD I wish that rival game makers still did things like this. Sat down and talked about each other’s games. It would probably just turn into a verbal slappy fight though…. ^^
Damn, two creators of two of my favorite franchises meeting each other? That’s a nerdy RPG fan’s dream indeed.
That 10,000 G would’ve been really helpful… XD especially on Nohr side
Is there a deadline? When are you hoping to start the podcast series?
The NA version of fates website has two maps, one of each kingdom. However I the european website lacks that.
Her voice… wow… <3 <3 <3
She does an amazing job with a difficult song. Squeezing english words into a song intended for Japanese words is no small feat.
That she does.
Congratulations. You are now a thread necro.
What a treat! And, as a blind gamer, I’m very tickled to discover Rena’s involvement in raising awareness for two supportive organizations.
I have bought this set and on the DVD there are 2 versions of the cutscene with Sakura and 2 of the one with Elise, but I can not find anything different between the 2. Am I missing Something?
The Onee-san/Onii-san depending of the Avatar’s gender is the only difference i can hear.
Nawww! Thank you Ms. Strober~ I keep loving your voice more and more!
i use azura’s singing voice as MYCASTLE background, soooo soothing and sweet
YOU CAN DO THAT?!
Damn I had the book with his pictures and I didn’t even know it. Not the one above but a more cleaner image of him from Gaiden Guidebook.
Loved it. Tho I do have to say my favorite part is on the nohr path where it changes tempo and rhythm. Sends chills down the spine. But I do love the whole song in great. Thank you so much for your awesome contribution to a wonderful series
I liked it!
So, not only does she have a beautiful voice, but she’s also hot.
just lo let you all know there is way more songs than what’s listed here. for example on the dvd there’s at least 100+ songs there
Since they confirmed which the 5 DLC quests will be does this confirm that there will be no hotspring DLC now?
Wow, first time I’ve seen a picture of Shouzou Kaga.
I spend a lot of my spare time coming up with really focused character and team builds but I never have anyone to share them with or test them with. I’m new here but I’ve been playing Fire Emblem games since I was young and I strongly desire to be see a competitive environment develop not unlike the VGCs of Poke’mon that I used to build teams for. Regardless of what my involvement would look like, the opportunity to chat about builds, strategy, mechanics & interactions with other tacticians with similar interests sets excites me greatly.
I have to say… I *really* don’t like how Shiida looks in this game.
Does anyone know if there are any differences between the US version and the EU one?
I compared the dialogue of the prologue for both versions. I didn’t notice any differences.
Is japanese audio included?
Disc 7 has 19 tracks. What’s the title of the 19th track?
It’s Enishi, the Sakura and Elise duet.
I picked one up for about 80€, then it went out of stock about an hour later. Since it’s weekend I’ll probably get it on Monday… Which sorta comes in conflict with the Overwatch release.
AWWW The multiplayer is region locked,
That means I won’t be able to conscript Vincent into my army
How convenient for me that they bundled my two favorite games into the same card series 😀
Now if only this game were in English…
The art alone is worth getting this for imo. At least that’s what I’m doing, lol.
dem shipping fees tho…
Love that they put SoS and RD together, but ew why does FE4 have to be put together with that Fates drivel?
They both have a castle base at least!
If only I lived in Japan. I just got into Cipher, haven’t played yet still waiting for my decks to arrive.
Wait roy fe fates map sprite and its the only time we have ever seen it could that mean something
Roy is there to promote Series 5 of Fire Emblem Cipher, which has Binding Blade cards.
There is also a Sigurd map sprite to promote Series 6 of Cipher, which has Genealogy of the Holy War cards.
Clearly it means Sigurd’s exceed figure is compatible with Fates. 😛
Or his Smash 5 Amiibo to tie in with the Genealogy remake XD
It’s a ghost!
Daw, I really love Henry. Them feels though.
If you need someone to help out, then I can probably contribute in some way. I have emblem 6 (Fuuin no Tsurugi) – Fates and I collect fire emblem cipher cards. I’ve been playing since I was a kid. I can talk about strategy, competitive, ideas, story, etc.
There are definitely some Jugdral feelings. The leader of the dragon/wyvern knights at 4:08 looks remarkably like Arion.
Exactly my thoughts, this looks legit as hell. I’d rather pay full price for this than the mess that was Awakening.
Awakening wasn’t a “mess” you just didn’t like it, after all its only a vocal minority of people that disliked Awakening, while the people that did among older FE fans stayed quite, the new FE fans Awakening attracted were quite vocal. I’ve played every FE game that NoA has actually brought west and I’ve enjoyed them all.
Eh… it kinda was a mess though. A fun mess, an excellent example of how a perfectly balanced game is not needed to have a grand old time, but a mess nonetheless.
It also was missing a lot of the complex map objectives that make up the more memorable Fire Emblem missions. The only one I can really remember from Awakening was Tikki’s recruitment mission
Can’t wait! Hope English translators can make a patch soon!
Though, are they using vocaloids for the music? O__O
http://zeeksweb.blog120.fc2.com/blog-entry-104.html
Read the last three questions.
You can really tell he didn’t have a budget for this. Maybe it’s time for him to just bow out gracefully.
The man’s doing it for fun and self-satisfaction, not for profits or even other peoples’ satisfaction. So he’s got nothing to lose and nobody to win over.
The fact some fans can enjoy another of his works in this day and age, even with zero budget, is a mega bonus : )
I understand that, but the fact that he’s hanging on to his FE legacy after so long makes him seem pitiful. He’s like the guy who had his 15 minutes of fame and won’t let go.
To be honest, I am more excited for this game than Fates even.
Well heaven forbid he hold on to some semblance of the franchise he created.
He gave up that right when he chose to leave IS. As an independent contractor he’s free to make whatever kind of game he can imagine, but instead he continues to double down on the same thing he’s been making for 25+ years. At least when Sakurai left HAL he created something new rather than just make a Kirby or Smash clone.
Considering the direction the new games are going, can you blame the guy?
If by more popular and mainstream than ever, yes I can. Kaga is sore loser who can’t deal with the fact that Fire Emblem is a success, and he’s a footnote at best.
The gameplay feels much too casual added with no permadeath is even an option. More popular does not equal quality.
Really, all you have been doing in these comments is trying to make flame posts basically pulling every disrespecting piece of defamation just to talk ill of the guy. If you actually had some real criticism instead of flaming in the comments section, you would not be close to banning.
here here, I’d refrain from banning the poor guy. I’d like to see one flamer actually make a good point from their hate. It can’t be done.
footnotes are the most luxurious part of the book, they are the meat and bones of any success story, Awakening was to be Nintendo’s last if not a major success. It was a hot mess still with a mixture of old ideas. Kaga is a giant more than the entire company. So i give him credit despite his fine and legal oppression. Popularity does not mean quality, nor respect. Pokemon has unending shows and merchandise pumped, but where is the quality?
Another point, Kaga’s material is only official in Japan, while FE releases world-wide after and Nintendo could still not make the same numbers at home. They were on a decline.
He didn’t give up anything and fame is not his motive. He just wants to do what he loves. Nintendo is about fame money and rights. Kaga clearly points, if he had been fired for any choice he made, he would make his death bed then live without creating. Under Hiroshi Yamauchi, there was much sacrifice in his tenure. Gunpei Yokoi at least gave him the ability and space to get everything in possible.
I doubt kaga could have predicted how the series was going to go. He made a new game and was planning a sequel while Nintendo was scrambling to make a meager Fuuin no Tsuruji. I doubt the man could draw off the series. I don’t see any evidence of any FE features input from 6-13 in the past 15 years.
Gunpei Yokoi…..wasn’t he the guy who made the Gameboy?
Yup, Yokoi was essential in dealing with Yamauchi, otherwise Kaga would have left sooner.
…maybe he just likes fantasy and SRPGs?
This looks pretty goddamn awesome, but I fear SRPG Studio’s performance issues is gonna hinder the game big time. Hopefully by the time its out someone improved either the engine or the game.
That poor Wyvern Knight’s spear flip looks so badass and bad at 12 FPS…
Is that Hatsune Miku singing the theme?
It’s definitely vocaloid music.
The battle animations, I think, need to be fleshed out a little more, but it definitely looks like the right mix of new and old RPG aesthetic style. I hope the battle mechanics are on par, too. It was a little jarring to hear vocaloid music though, lol.
I remember him saying that he was least interested in boasting graphics. That was my turnoff as well but once i seen the first trailer all negatives were buried.
Well not being made for profit its easier to use a Vocaloid for a team of 15 than it is to hire a singer, as one of them might already own the program.
to be honest, i don’t think it looks particularly good… visually it’s pretty ugly and the level design seems cluttered and messy… but i mean it’s not out yet so who knows, i’m still looking forward to it. hopefully i can still read it with my limited understanding of kanji
Kaga being an author and all, uses thick, deep, and very uncommon highly proficient Kanji. Like an english professor using big words. The writers Masaki Kajishima and Naoko Hasegawa are the same in respect.
I could not get through awakening. It felt like chore. They still didn’t change the formula in iF, but at least there is some new dynamics between each chapter like in Radiant dawn.
Nyna looks just like Deidre lol.
Looks pretty good, like an old FE game.
Ugh, not fond of the music at all. In general, I’m not really feeling this. But then again, I’m not as much of a Kaga admirer as some others are. The only Kaga-FE I consider outstanding is probably Seisen no Keifu.
But I’m still interested in trying this out, so hopefully someone will work on an english patch.
I was not a Kaga fan at all at first, but now I cant resist anything he touches. For instance, TearRing Saga, suffered from the gameplay soundbits, but the actual soundtrack he produced was almost full ochestral thus making it ear soothing. It was very hard for me to try out pre FE7 music from Tsujiyoko, but I think she was as good then as ever despite the chiptune noise.
what is software going to run on? Mobile, Computer?
Really I liked every musical track in this trailer, I find them all to be enjoyable.
I wonder if theres any way to update the game without heading to the ingame store. Feels wierd having to use the store in order to play dlc I’ve already bought.
Just sent an email 🙂
Do your best! 🙂
I’d be lying if I said I don’t have any expectations, but at least I’m glad (I hope lmao) he’s having fun with his creation and is proud of it? After all no one is forcing him to make it different than he wants it to be, and I’d rather play a little game made with heart rather than a big, flashy game made by a studio that only wants $$$ out of it…
Cotton candy made by a professional craftsmaker is still cotton candy, but it’s also still made by a professional 😀
I think it would be cool if Kaga would release these games internationally with translations too, these games are fun, but it’s hard for players with little to no japanese knowledge.
That Lilina artwork looks bad. I don’t like how inconsistent the artworks of these cards are.
Glad that Kaga san is enjoying himself. It will be great if the fans can set up a donation campaign or something in which I will definitely donate myself, though i guess Kaga himself might not endorse such act as judging from his tone he will likely think this could change the nature of his project a bit?
I like Kaga’s humble analogy. He is pouring a lot of sugar into this cotton candy, and I’m sure there is some crunchy spots. I’m hoping to get diabetes from this delicious treat. what is the email people are using to send him emails? Is it the zeek info one on the blog?
I figured it was Saitoh behind the music. It was too reminiscent. Though, it is likely there are other musicians, and I’m hoping Yuka did some part of it. I know Minako Seki was probably busy.
These brief short Q/A felt like a 9 year old kid was trying to get the beans out of him. Kaga answered like he was speaking to a child.
Character sidequests is possibly the best fun feature i could never dream of. Following the lives of a particular character without having to drag the entire army is definitely like in real war. Hopefully, thats the way it is in the game.
Has there been an official soundtrack release for an indie game before?
Undertale had one.
http://blog-imgs-91-origin.fc2.com/z/e/e/zeeksweb/aa.jpg
Why does it look like the Black Knight at the bottom and the character above is from the extra artwork the blog from 5 years ago.
Kaga must have confirmed some information to his fans via email. Unless the questioner pressed his luck by just stating it was HIroto. Like if we were to ask Speilberg when can we expect your new films soundtrack from Williams…?
GOD IS REAL
Welp, thats a must have for me <3 hopefully i can get my hands on it! Tellius saga was my favorites!
Awesome. I want it. Coincidentally, I’m replaying PoR right now, too.
“At first, “Holy War” was going to be a squad based game as mentioned before. But, as development went on, the GAME DESIGNER highly recommended we make a romance game (that was popular in those days). And so… […] It fit perfectly. (Laughs). He also loved Horse Racing… […] Because of that, we suddenly decided during development, “Let’s add a romance and inheritance aspect to this!” (laughs). Everyone was like, “Whaaaat?!” at the announcement of sudden change. (laughs).”
Definitely he is not Shouzo Kaga :v
INSTA-BUY
Why do these books always only get released in Japan?
From what I gathered, Seisen no Keifu is also on its way to the Japanese New 3DS eShop. Whether or not it will be released alongside this however, I have no idea. Any Wednesday now…
Wow….this is quite enlightening. Fascinating to know that at one point they considered moving away from the typical Fire Emblem name.
“with their announcement today of the unexpected release of the Super Famicom’s Fire Emblem Mystery of the Emblem on Wii U.”
Isn’t it on the 3DS?
It is indeed on the 3DS.
New 3DS exclusive, in fact.
Furthermore, it was announced a week ago on the eShop, so not quite as unexpected as one would think.
HECTOR!!!!!!!!!!!
I think they’re doing that so it could launch quicker, so that way US and EUR can be on the same schedule for DLC.
Maybe that festival DLC will have the same launch date for both regions
I can’t believe it!!!!Today is finally coming out!!!I am definately going to buy it!!!!I AM SO EXCITED!!!
Awwww, I wanted to participate. To bad. :/
I wanted to make a joke about why this is UK only and not for EU people, but i guess it will be really bad joke, right?
Not sure why English speaking people from Europe and Australia are exempt despite the fact that they can still play the game due to technically being in the same region (PAL games or whatever)
Sorry, the promoter is Nintendo UK, hence why it’s restricted to the UK. I’d love to include more people if I could, but my connections don’t go that far yet : )
No worries, and thanks for replying
I’m so excited! 😀 😀 😀 I hope it sells well!
That looks bloody amazing! I sure hope they’ll be an English copy soon!
Autumn 2016 in what region? In which months the release date for the RD artbook could be? Thanks! I want to buy both Tellius artbooks together. This is a dream coming true for me. Now that we also have the OST, all that’s left is a remastered 1080p collection of the two games for the NX or Wii U. But since Zelda TP is the only remaster Nintendo ever made for a home console, this is very unlikely to happen. Also, an Elincia or Black Knight figurine would make me cry. The best two games in the series for me.
Both art books are Japan-only right now, so Autumn 2016 in Japan.
I’m afraid I can’t pinpoint the release months, but my gut feeling tells me October to December.
It’s very concerning that they call Kita the character designer, when Taeko Kaneda was very clear that other staff did the designs.
Good catch! I fixed the translation up a bit. I missed the “trator” in “illustrator”, and so fixed it to better reflect “the one who drew the character designs” (aka, “character artist”)
No worries, poor Taeko Kaneda wasn’t swept aside! xD
No worries.
https://twitter.com/nindori/status/750981407443329024
Vincent, what about this?
So, this is more similar to the “Making of” book? Lot of text and some pictures? Oh… I wanted to buy it, but if this have more text than picture, then I will pass since I don’t know japanese, but I hope someone share the important info!
Did they really put “the designer” in the original text, because Nintendo would sink so low not to mention who. I have the books and was looking through, and could tell that they were keen not to put his name even when it was necessary. They rather chose to put some guy who was working with us. We don’t here from the other director either?
Kaga was Sued because seems TRS did have some assets where made at nintendo..so yeah he is unpersoned forever.
Any word on pre-orders for figma Corrin? Been hoping they would make a figma at some point?
It will probably be awhile, and there will be a few opportunities. Goodsmile’s site will have it on sale for preorder for a certain period, and then other sellers will get them after that. Or at least, that’s been my experience with figmas, anyways.
Yeah, your probably right. Pre-ordered Lucina on AmiAmi after the original Good Smile window.
Just been really hype for this one because I really like Kamui’s design. Hope it has Omega Yato ^^
I feel the same! I’m hoping to get my hands on that Camilla scale as well, I loved both characters. And I’m sure it will have the Omega Yato, and maybe even another form as well! You never really know what you’ll be getting with a figma, just that it’s cool!
I want them and then I want to open a figure museum in my house.
So apparently there’s something wrong with me.
That or you’re one of the chosen few.
Can’t wait for this. So far it seems to be the exact opposite of Awakening and Fates, which can only be a good thing.
You can say that again.
Hahaha! I guess so. Anyway sounds really interesting.
I don’t know if you know about it, but this game has the Kaga-like Easy Mode xD (Aka: Pretty much the same but with Elite)
I’ll definitely play this once it’s in english!
I’m surprised that Mikoto, Flora, and Charlotte are appearing in the drama cds while none of the royal sisters are even mentioned at all. Especially Camilla and Elise since they were placed pretty high in the popularity polls too.
Yeah, I found the latter weird. Perhaps there were scheduling conflicts? From the sound of things, there probably won’t be any more CDs after this (since they already offered the complete box).
It will depends entirely on sales, as always. If it sell well I suppose there will be another CD or Set for Revelations b/c this is mostly Conquest/Birthright.
Where could you buy or pre order this?
*after zooming in on the low-res pics of the other character’s official art* Well I’m surprised Niles doesn’t have a more….sadistic looking pose? Plus it looks like we’re going to be getting some side-butt from Odin (freaking Zero in the way) and he has some pretty good legs there. I’m a thigh and ass-man and proud of it.
Let’s hope this will be just like the good Fire Emblem games we used to love.
You know, the ones before awakening and fakes.
Aye! When the lords were lords and the side characters were 3D individuals… Except FE1 had a problem with that. Bullocks.
Interesting that Camilla is being distributed by Intelligent Systems, rather than empty which did Chrom. Perhaps IS wants to make their own figure line?
The way the difficulty will be done or at least how it is described is my personal experience from playing Blazing Sword for the first time and how many of the beginner’s traps I fell for. Would like to see how this game plays out since it is going for a more hardcore and niche fanbase.
I trust Kaga to pull through and make a quality game.
I really have more faith in him than people do for Inafune at the moment. 😛
Oh, this is so cool, I want this so bad. I hope it gets translated.
Vincent and me will be on the job! Well, maybe not the whole book, but we’ll do what we can. xD
Excellent!
Oh I really hope we can find out the character ages! I don’t know why but that would massively interest me, so I really hope that information becomes easily available.
I’ll be sure to prioritize listing that first then, shouldn’t be too hard to do if they’re there : )
That’s so nice of you! 🙂
Thank you for even agreeing to show screenshots at all, yet alone translating them. It sounds like we can find out all sorts of amazing things, and we all appreciate it 🙂
No problem! I love to help out on things like this. I made a thread on the forums too where you can keep track of info (did the ages earlier, too!)
https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=65501
Thank you for the link!
And oh wow, I didn’t realise you were the kantopia blog, I’ve seen many translations thanks to you so that’s really awesome 🙂
Thank you so much for the translations, oh wow the ages are really cool! I can’t believe how right/wrong I were with some, haha. Thanks again for all the work ^^
They’re doing a Laguz lifespan table? I can’t wait to see how Laguz and Beorc ages compare!
Yup, seems like it. By the way, they provided rough lifespans several years ago on the official Radiant Dawn background website.
“The Beast tribes have 5~6x the average Beorc lifespan, while for the Hawk and Raven tribes it is 10x. Herons live up to 1000 years and Dragons up to 2000 years.”
I’m interested in whatever these books show 😀
Can you download this with a non-Japanese phone? Or will it be on a game system?
I’m excited. Can’t wait to watch a playthrough or play it myself. Reminds me of the older entries in the series, so I’m anticipating.
I need to rob a bank and get them all
Really nice, I want one!
Yes! So happy!
well, there goes my wallet
So cute…
will this come to europe eventually?
I’m totally geeking out over this XD
I like seeing unused stuff like this. That blue haired Stefan, the blue dress on Elincia, younger Calil, and the older Sanaki.
I also like how you have Ike fighting Elinica. Pure gold right there.
I can’t believe Ike fucking killed Elincia
I’d preorder it again, but the last time I did that with the N Nendoroid, the shipping cost twice as much as the thing itself. I’ll just wait and see if a certain bookstore near me stocks it…
Um… I’m still searching for Sheeda…
Celica is also on the Heroes theme, she’s right between Alm and FE3 Marth.
Silly me, you’re right. The main thing I was trying to point out was Eirika’s absence since she’s just as important as Lyn (and Celica).
I wonder when and if the Corrin Amiibo is coming
I’d love to see some of these details in the main Fire Emblem games, especially the weapon variety.
…
Naming your continent after a cheap Intel Processor… is STILL way better than not bothering to name the continent at all! Intelligent Systems, take note. Like really, Intel… Intelligent, they’re obviously speaking to you. Hehehe…
I…I didn’t even realize that Fate’s continent didn’t have a name. Of course I can barely care enough about the game to boot it up to play and my general feelings for the game are all negative, but still I would’ve remembered the name of the continent if it freaking had one. Can’t believe I didn’t notice.
Instead of a continent, we get two warring kingdoms, a “hidden” kingdom, and a bunch of random-ass, pointless smaller countries that no one cares about or even remembers.
What other nations?
Some people are taking that to mean Fates takes place on Ancient Valentia and they just didn’t wanna come out and say it
Also, Square-Enix too. No, “Planet” is not an acceptable name for your planet!
the Name of the continent is Cellulon, not celeron lmaooooo.
Can you download this and play on a non-Japanese PC?
Probably yeah, but you’ll need the usual settings to play japanese games (i.e. applocale)
Well then, looks like Fire Emblem has an equivalent to Mighty No 9, now let’s just hope it actually works!
They’re reprinting Marth in New Zealand!? Those lucky bastards!
I really hope this will become the Fire Emblem we’ve been waiting for since 2010.
Does look promising so far. I kinda get FE vibes from it, something the disgraceful new games could only dream of.
English ver?
Genealogy is still Japan-only… >_<
“Zeid’s elder sister”
“She married Lytton instead of Zeid’s mother.”
Kaga is starting to get over his habits, at long last
What habit? Incest pooling?
Can we at least not use the name Erin? It’s not at all official and shouldn’t be used in a news thread just because a fan patch used it.
They might aswell delay the game to oblivion, I don’t see anything good coming from it.
Me neither. But hey, it can’t possibly be worse than the recent games in the series, right?
Right?
🙁
Ahahahahah…..*cries*
I fear the worst considering Intelligent System’s now lousy creative division.
Intelligent Systems aren’t developing this, so be happy I guess?
…Ignoring Fates’ gameplay. Seriously? Yeah, the story sucks, and the characters are hit-or-miss, but the gameplay is pretty freaking good and blows Awakening out of the water. That’s why I invested over 100 hours into it- because I liked the gameplay.
I know asking someone who calls themselves an elitist in their profile to use logical thinking and not accentuate the negative is pretty freaking stupid, but so am I sometimes.
In all honesty, not much is needed in order to surpass Awakening. Hell, I’d even argue that Shadow Dragon is the game I had the more fun with of those two.
I only played Nohr since Hoshido looks just about as shite as Awakening, but even disregarding all the pandering to waifufags I’ll be damned if the gameplay couldn’t have been better. Why are there a million different skills you have to keep track of? It was always better when classes had either one or no skills, which didn’t require me to spend ten minutes checking every enemy on the map to see if an anomaly could be found and leaving it safe to move. Where is the rescue command? I’m not able to rescue chain anymore, which is partly impossible already because of the exclusive absence of canto. The pair up mechanic is slightly more balanced with the tweaks and the fact that enemies can use it too, but I still think it’s inferior to rescue since it protects one unit and buffs another without any real drawbacks. The whole ‘join-in-to-attack-while-standing-next-to-each-other’-thing is pretty dumb as well, though I suppose it’s one of those things you just have to get used to. Why is it still possible to grind on higher difficulties? Why is it still so simple to promote units? Why was weapon durability removed? Why was the weapon triangle reworked? Why are strategic elements from previous games completely omitted?
The fact that Fates reversed some of the terrible things Awakening did doesn’t make it an amazing game.
There are different strategic elements in play. Yeah, you can’t rescue chain- but you can do similar things with pair-up. And there’s an obvious drawback to pair up- it’s nowhere near as broken as in Awakening, meaning you actually have to decide whether to go for damage or pair-up for defense.
The skills offer greater differentiation for classes and units.
It’s been this simple to promote units in the majority of titles- heck, the localized version of the Radiant Duelogy made it even easier by units auto-promoting at level 20. But apparently not having class-unique promotion items is a flaw?
Weapon durability was removed because they wanted to try something different with weapon effects. The new weapon triangle is due to magic and bows being oddities outside of it in the past.
You’re complaining about older elements not returning and criticizing newer ones for seemingly no reason other than them being new- despite there being more opportunities for strategical depth in them.
There are plenty of things I don’t like about Fates, but there are plenty of things I do like about it as well- and if you want to keep nitpicking things because they’re not exactly like they were in the past, I’ll just call you out and defend the things that I feel are worth defending.
Most of my questions were rhetorical, I do know the ‘reasoning’ behind stuff changing, though that doesn’t mean it’s nitpicking on my part. Seriously, am I in the wrong for being vocal about my favourite game series changing? That certain elements I used to enjoy now are gone or replaced by something else? I may be conservative by nature, but hell if I’m not enjoying FE turning into a generic JRPG, and there is no way I’ll agree that changing so much of an established formula is the way to go.
Not having class-unique promotion items is indeed a flaw. Take FE7 for example. You get a lot of units in this game, which means that you obviously can’t use them all. That’s why you go for a smaller group that you want to use, but you also need to make sure that they all get experience and promotion items, so you have to favor certain units over others. So you used both Oswin and Sain, but you know there is a distance between the first Knight’s Crest and the second one, and you have to decide who to give more kills. This simple concept of smaller rivalries between characters changes how you tackle chapters. Shit, when you can grind endlessly and get them both to 20 anyway it doesn’t really matter. Everyone using the same item to promote means you can just stock up on a few and promote whenever you’d want without really thinking about it. In PoR and RD you got BEXP as another resource to manage which meant you had to play as efficiently as possible, which also changed how you tackled chapters. I’m not saying this is a flaw exclusive to Fates, but it could’ve been better dealt with.
I’m confused however. Your tone implies you have played older FE games, or at least the Tellius games. If that’s the case, how could you possibly argue for Fates being so good? You’re saying that I’m writing off newer elements and talking in favour of older ones, but surely, since I have actually played every single game in the series (bar Gaiden, at least to a certain point), wouldn’t it be me who can objectively say that the gameplay in Fates is not the best in the series? Or maybe I’m actually too biased?!
Keep in mind however that something new isn’t necessarily better. To me it’s more of a headache than a fun experience to consider pair up and skills when in the midst of combat. I can see why people starting with Awakening/Fates would find it fun though.
But what do I know.
I never said it was the best in the series- you’re putting words in my mouth. Having played every localized title, I’d place Fates dead center- better than Awakening and FE8, about on-par with RD and FE7, with PoR and SD as my top two.
The problem is there’s no “objectivity” to things- it’s 100% your opinion. The metric of objectivity is being misused here for something subjective.
It’s an objective fact that living creatures need nourishment to survive. It’s not an objective fact that Toyota is better than Ford. Your specific definition of Fire Emblem is not shared- nor is anyone else’s, for that matter.
For example- you obviously put a crapton of stock into unique promotion items. Having been fairly active within the fandom, you’re the first person I’ve seen who’s said that.
You’re acting like fans of the older games can’t enjoy the older ones, and are asking for respect well simultaneously self-labeling as an elitist and putting words in my mouth.
Well, I have nothing else to argue for regarding that then. The fact that you praised the gameplay so much made me assume it was your favourite game.
Yeah, that’s the thing though. I have absolutely no qualms about you enjoying this and that, but I’m confused as to how that is possible, seeing as we’ve shared the same experiences and therefore should be able to relate to a certain extent. Either that or we play the games for different reasons, which would be very likely seeing how you ranked the games. From a gameplay perspective I’d say that FE4/5/6/12 + RD are all better than Fates. They all have some of the richest strategy the series has to offer. I’d recommend you to dive into the emulation scene and play those with translation patches. Maybe you could understand me better then.
But man, loosen up a bit. I never asked for any respect either; what good would getting that from a stranger online do? I mean you seem pretty clever too, unlike other deluded people who think Awakening is gods gift to mankind.
Every game in the series has it’s own merits and issues- FE7 and RD both have stories that have almost as many issues as Fates, for instance.
I’m gameplay first- SD was my first game, thus I really appreciated it’s back-to-the-basics design and minimalistic feel. Path of Radiance I’d say is the pinnacle of 2nd Era FE (1st being Kaga, 3rd being NME onward)- that said, it’s pretty generic, overplays the fantasy racism, and Ike has Stu qualities that nobody seems to call out anymore.
I’ve read a lot of critiques of the Judgral games, and spoiled myself there- FE4 could be cynically described as so much Shakespearean melodrama, and it has major balancing issues of it’s own. FE5, while being probably the most solid in the series from a written standpoint, seems to be pretty much hell the first time through without a walkthrough.
FE12 started all the player pandering issues, and FE6 is Dark Dragon 2.0.
You’re being way too judgmental- you say you have no problem with me enjoying Fates, yet state that those who like Awakening are deluded. Yeah, I came onto you hard at first, but I also think you could loosen up a bit yourself.
I understand where you’re coming from- I myself was incredibly cynical and negative during the period between Awakening’s and Fates’ localized releases. I just got over it and ended up enjoying Fates quite a bit- it has it’s issues, but I’d still say it’s a good game. Not a “Great” game, but definitely a good one.
Hold on now. Granted, the story in RD is not as great as PoR, but it’s definitely intricate and I’d say it’s better than Fates and miles ahead of Awakening. People argue that it’s full of plotholes while in reality that really isn’t the case.
And yea, while story is important it won’t ruin the game for me. The story in SS was subpar but that’s not what I’m going to look at when talking about SS. On the other hand PoR and RD was made infinitely better not only due to the compelling gameplay, but because of the interesting story which included characters that felt like they actually had stakes in the conflicts that were going on. People can talk all they want about how the characters in Awakening and Fates are better because they are oh so quirky and have tons of dialogue, even though in the end it feels like the supports came right off the factory conveyor belt since each character has to get hitched with every member of the opposing sex.
Regarding FE6 it’s important to look at how the game came to be and during which time. It was the first game in a new generation of FE, on a whole new platform which not everyone played on, unlike their famicoms. It was also the first game without Kaga on the team (speaking of him, you should try out vestaria saga). There were so much potential for the game to flop, but it played amazingly and allowed two more games to build upon the same engine. There is a lot of content too, and most chapters are quite different from each other which strengthened the gameplay. Of course, the branching paths in Ilia and Sacae was fun too and made it feel like the players choice actually mattered. It was also here that supports arrived. For all it’s worth, I feel as if FE6 doesn’t get the respect it deserves.
The 3-5 star HMs in SD are absolute cancer, just like in Awakening. That’s my biggest critique and broke the whole game for me since I don’t play on the easier difficulties. But dude, before basing your arguments on what other people say, I’d still recommend you to play both FE4/5 so you can form your own opinions on them. The best game in the series is also the one that sold the least, Thracia 776. It’s unbelievably dense and not easy at all, which for a lot of fans is exactly what a FE game should be, mainstream appeal be damned. Same thing with SMnN, you say it began the pandering while in reality it is nothing like either Awakening or Fates, it only looks like SD but is far superior to that game too (but I see what you’re trying to say). Sadly, a lot of people see FE stacked against Nintendo’s strongest IP’s and think it’s worse since it sells less and doesn’t have as much mainstream appeal. But damn, considering that it took until 2008 to finally release a dud game, I think it just goes to show how strong the series is.
Yes, that is because while Fates is at least bearable, Awakening is not and is for me one of the low-points in the series. I seriously despise the direction the series is heading towards and I fully expect the gameplay to eventually come second to everything else. My dream would to get something akin to the Jugdral games or the GBA games again, not only because I prefer the art in those games but also because I find the gameplay to be much tighter and more interesting than both Awakening and Fates. Since you said you prefer gameplay and enjoyed the minimalistic aspect of SD you really have no excuse not to try at least one of the games I recommended previously. I can assure you it’s far more fun than micro managing dozens of annoying skills.
(had a rough week at work, sorry for not responding earlier)
I have a large backlog + life. I have plenty of excuse not to dive into the legal grey area of emulation.
And skill micromanaging is no worse than inventory management, and while I find the latter enjoyable the former adds some genuine depth to things.
I’ve done pretty much everything but play the Judgral games- I obsessed over them.
You want to know where I first heard the gameplay criticisms of Thracia? An FE fan who had been with the series since Elementary school age and had played every single game in the series besides FE1 and Gaiden- with Thracia being the only one he hadn’t played multiple times.
Radiant Dawn.. oh, RD.
Blood Pacts are just so freaking arbitrary and serve to just railroad the plot. The whole Ashera stuff could’ve been foreshadowed a hell of a lot better.
And then there’s Ike- an already borderline Gary-Stu turned into a pureblooded one that usurped one of the most promising lords the series ever had.
It’s like FE7- sure, it’s “complex”, but there’s fluff over top of major underlying issues.
Vestaria Saga looks like the SNES FE that never was- it’s purely old fashioned. I ideally want a mix of old and new. I have even less of a reason to prioritize it due to a lack of a translation.
Honestly, your rampant usage of hyperbole (“pure cancer”? Seriously?) and willingness to label people while openly proclaiming yourself as an elitist just makes things feel uncomfortable.
Tatsumi Kimishima straight-up said FE is now a major IP- plus, I never saw anybody claim that the series “isn’t good” because it wasn’t a top seller.
Honestly, I don’t feel like continuing this anymore- we have different opinions, good day.
Just FYI, they explicitly said that for Mario you only have to pay once. The in-app purchases tag is displayed on nearly every app that may ever have a need of it and is set up to support it. So, in all likelihood, that’s there to potentially support an expansion later on down the road, like new levels and whatnot.
So this game’s delayed in favor of Super Mario run……swell.
hey I’m trying to sign up on the forums, but never received the validation email. what’s up with that?
Um Beatrice’s profile might be a mistranslation. I think it was supposed to mean that she acted as Zeid’s mother figure before she got married to Lytton.
Full translation, please.
Thanks Vincent! Extremely helpful!
Any chance of an actual English version?
I figured most of the commands out myself, but what I really would need is a full skill-list 🙁
Fun stuff, although I’m not sure the fanart picture needed to be that big for a front page news. It’s rather obtrusive and could use a good crop or resize.
Is there anywhere specifically that says who are the artists that worked in the project? Lazy to find it, and I see like 3 different artists in this.
I so want that Elise card…….but not sure if I should order some…..no one to play with locally.
A lot of people just buy the cards to collect, so I wouldn’t worry about it : )
Seems unnecessary to hide the Anankos card when IS is showing it in plain site on their twitter feed.
The Japanese fans, and the Cipher community in general, are much less strict about spoilers than the international community, in my experience. Chances are, if you’re looking at the Cipher feed, you’re willing to take that risk, but for here, I would prefer to err on the side of caution rather than accidentally spoil something for someone.
So with Ryoma’s blade sticking out the side, apparently locked with Xander’s blade, I’m guessing there’s a true, full 8 card panorama of the siblings with Xander and Ryoma in the middle
You’re absolutely correct. There’s a teaser for the full 8 card panorama in one of the earlier news posts. I’m tempted to say it was shown during the previous livestream event.
That artwork of Ike and Micaiah will likely be the cover for Volume 2. Looking forward to translating it. : )
any word on why its taking so long to complete FE Fates Data “miscellaneous” & “Chapter/map/boss” (for each of the 3 paths)? 🙁 im hoping its because everyone is so absorbed in the game & Not because the fanbase don’t give a Sh*^ anymore.
(to all the whiny fanboys who bitch about “FE isnt FE anymore”, im a Resident Evil fan.. i know what it looks like to see a franchise throw everything defining it out the window.. & that IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to whats happening to FE. F@~ing drama queens)
Here’s something from Fates I could actually get behind. :^)
It would be nice if they actually had some male figurines for once. We’ve had Lucina, Tharja, Cordelia and now Camilla. Apart from a heavily warped Chrom and Marth figurine, the only decent male figurines we’ve had have been from FE4, and even then there were more female than male released…
Dood you forgot about Amiibos man. You can burn me for not being full-size figure, but they are at least very nice. I will agree though that lack of bigger scale figures are not in the male variety. Hope to be proven wrong though 🙂
Whoops! I’ll give you that. I knew I was missing some. I kinda count them, but still, no more detailed figurines for the male side is still sad to me, especially with Marth and Ike being everywhere for Fire Emblem :/
Except you know what? That her hair is gorgeous?
That’s my girl! 😀
I don’t want to imagine the things some freaks will unfortunately do with this.
My mom saw this book. Hopefully….She gets it!
Mmm, I’ll pass. Hoping for the PoR and RD books to come over instead.
Mine’s coming in tomorrow~
Soooo hoping the Tellius Recollections come out in English, though 🙁
I preordered this, and I am not disappointed. It’s gorgeous.
There definitely needs to be more fire emblem figures produced
If anyone takes here this book, please, tell me how old Ike, Mist, Soren, Micaiah and Sothe in FE10 ^^
Because I’m always asked me when I played this game.
Yep! I’ll be the one translating it and will note down your requests. On Day 1 I will hopefully get all that profile info out for the characters. (Though, Ike, Mist, Soren and Sothe have ages listed in FE9 already, so can just add three years : ) )
All hail Senri Kita!
Any updates on whether Camilla’s figure is going on sale soon or not?
I’ve been to two different Gamestops in the last week, and each one had an abundance of Robin amiibo on the sale floor. I would just check with your local Gamestops and see if they have any. It’s worth a shot.
Give me a Camilla amiibo Nintendo and I will buy it day one!
Of COURSE the amiibo gets a re-release and it’s on sale right after I buy in at almost $30 US.
Robin was rereleased! I picked up a figure at my local EB Games while picking up Pokemon. It seems to have stealthily increased in stock.
Figure collecting is expensive… 😡 rip wallet
«Even the bit part gets a revival!»
I’ll miss that line…
You do realize that final fantasy is way better than the fire emblem franchise
HOORAY
You do realize final fantasy is way better than the fire emblem franchise
Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8.
And I’d still rather play a great SRPG than a FF game.
You’re talking about ff tactics.
Huh fe fan boy?
Did you mean Final Fantasy’s version of Ogre Battle?
Huh ff fan boy?
Both.
Just because someone prefers FE/FE Clones doesn’t mean they’re a fan boy…
That’s a steal. Would buy straight away.
No way to get it if you don’t have a Japanese 3ds, right? QQ
Yep. It is a Japanese privilege to get your ass whipped by Thracia on a comfortable 3DS woohoo. At least we got emulators
Actually some very good news. 🙂
If only they could bring the Tellius series to VC. Still good news.
My guess is we’ll probably get an HD Port for the Switch. Or maybe a 3DS port. I’d honestly love to see Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn remastered w/ Fates Graphics – and maybe add in grinding for the players who aren’t as good, but like to think they are. *looks at self in mirror*
Yes please! Everyone pray to naga…
Besides, having each character a specific class again would be good, but then give us like free DLC skill scrolls that allow people to get a strong start.
So is this just a port from the DS? I bet that it would seem weird to play on the big screen.
I don’t see how it’s weird at all.
I think they would be weird because the character icons aren’t detailed due to the screen size so it would be weird to see them larger on a tv. Still cool it got ported though.
Despite having played through Shadow Dragon multiple times on the DS, I’m going to buy this release just to see if it encourages them to do the same with New Mystery of the Emblem…even though I know that won’t happen outside Japan.
3 continents and 3 symbols. I wonder if this’ll play off of Fates’ concept and you get to choose which nation you get to fight for.
Ah… now I imagine it will be like Pokemon Go, and two teams get all the love and that one team I joined will be left behind. xD
But hey, if each side has their own select waifu it will be waifu wars: mobile. These teams will probably be more evenly spread out.
This is (unfortunately) true too. xD
They’re all the same symbol though . . .
That’s true, but it could just be like a symbol that represent the world as a whole though.
does anyone know of any way to get a hand on a pre order of the official guide book vol 7 ? its sold out on Ami-Ami and I didn’t get to order one because I was head deep into exams T_T
btw, this translates to: I will suck your dick for one.
All I want from this is being able choose between multiple skin colors if there’s an avatar (which I think there will be)
If it’s going to play like a typical FE game in any capacity, I wonder if it’ll look more like the style of the GBA/DS games, since a game with Awakening/Fate’s level of models and such would probably kill battery life on a phone.
Good news. Still can’t get over why New Mystery isn’t localized though; it is a so much more polished game overall:(
Thanks for posting this! I will definitely be stopping by this booth, since I have a friend who’s a big Fire Emblem fan
Could you help me, a poor and sad soul, get some goodies ??? 😀
I will see what I can do. That booth was the most popular of the Industry booths. I’m not sure what they’ll have tomorrow, but if you send me a request in the next few hours, I can stop by tomorrow and try
THANKS A LOT !!!!!! I’m trying to get the players box character and pixel set.
If you are able to help me just tell me at which bank account I should deposit the money.
😀
Currently waiting in line for the con to open. If I manage to acquire it, I’ll give you my PayPal address.
And it is acquired. Please send me a message through Facebook so I can send you the payment information.
This is bound to increase the sales of the overall game. I mean seriously, now getting the three games is worth the purchase!
Now that they have this – can everywhere else get the last two DLCs for the game – Nohrian Festival of Bonds and Hoshidan Festival of Bonds? Intelligent Systems plz.
Please. Do they just not want our money or something?
beautiful
Hype, thanks Vincent!!! Been eager for release date info ^^
I wish this was a scale figure instead of a figma… but oh well…
Good times
Etika loves the Female Corrin/kamui, share this page to him 🙂
Insta-ordered.
My guess is that since the game’s story is based on the player’s decision, a true ending is difficult to sum it up in the manga so Nintendo decided to stop it because of that…..
Honestly, FE as a manga should be its own thing rather than basing it on the main games like how Sonic is different in the Archie Comics unlike his main games…
It’s not that surprising. They didn’t even bother getting Kibayashi for the DLC content. I guess their cooperation didn’t work out that well, like suggested by many of the oddities of the story in the final product (the Fates game itself), unlike what they claimed in interviews.
Better than Lucina.
This only makes me wonder if Kozaki-San isn’t going to draw new characters for the next Fire Emblem game…..
Creating a manga is a massive time investment, if anything this should suggest that NCL wanted him available for the games.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/190f29a288fdc0633ac9918129226dd9b79af258882f4da6b47226e0254f1284.jpg
All these Genealogy character cards…
What a great year for Fire Emblem!
I suppose. It depends on what perspective you have.
The perspective he/she has is a positive one so let’s just leave it at that.
Still waiting on that Corrin amiibo. And Cloud’s. Hopefully Nintendo hasn’t forgotten about them…
May was a quiet month? Did you miss that new translation of Genealogy of the Holy War? You know, the first 100% translated and polished one, released on the game’s 20th anniversary in May? The one that actually has a translated opening and epilogue? The one on your own forums? Really? That was kind of a very big deal.
link? i don’t see any pinned topics from this year.
Whoops, I knew I forgot something. Well, it’s a good thing somebody remembered : )
How could you have forgotten Leo’s birthday on June 30?! Unforgivable! That was a big deal. In all seriousness what a great look back :)!
Ooh, I really love the Risen King Chrom! It’s a cool look and concept, but it’s also sad. My poor hubby… 🙁
Awww no Teeny card yet?
I was wondering if there was a higher quality version of that adorable Elise and Sakura new years picture. Couldn’t find it anywhere else.
I really hope that Micaiah makes an appearance! Anna would be a fun addition too!
I’m hoping Ephraim or Hector are included.
Titania just running down horde after horde.
I’m hoping for Micaiah too <3
THAT’S IT! I’M BUYING A SWITCH!!!
Nintendo of America’s youtube page actually says it’s releasing Holiday 2017.
Hot DAMN! Good thing my brother wanted to get a Switch for Breath of the Wild, now I have to contribute to it and we can get it together to save some money in our individual wallets. Here’s hoping it’s as good as Hyrule Warriors!
Exactly how does this strategy series translate into a 3rd person button masher?
Ah doesn’t matter, only $$$ and the fact that every game these days needs to have a DW spin-off matters, right?
Consider: Super Smash Bros. I’m not worried.
After Ilusory revelation, I dont know if i should expect much of pré-Awakening Content (but shadow dragon).
Atlus didn’t have much room to shove FE characters into that game, but Warriors games can have upwards of 40+ characters. I’d count on seeing a lot of favorites from the series’ history.
I cant get rid of the possibility of them puting all your brothers of fates, plus the whole team of the Shepperds, plus the team of the idolsphere, and filling the rest with some Marth friends and be done with it.
What I expect is that they’ll fill the game with the “must-haves” from all the games (including Roy for the Amiibo support) then do their research on which of the fringe characters are more popular and make them available as paid DLC. I’ll happily pay extra for Nephenee, Boyd, etc.
lets hope for the best…
You win Nintendo! Take my money!
A Fire Emblem game of some sort on the Switch was a foregone conclusion, so I was going to preorder the system anyway, but this reveal saw me at GameStop a couple hours before they opened this morning. My son and I have thought an FE / Warriors crossover would be a great idea since we first played Warriors Orochi Hyper for the Wii U, and I’m looking forward to this much more than Tokyo Mirage Sessions. (I greatly enjoyed that game, but the connection to FE was dubious at best.)
I’m curious about how classes like Archers, Beasts, and Flyers would function.
If like other Warriors games, flyers won’t be an option. Archers will behave just like you’d expect them to (better at attacking from a distance, not good for tight combat), and beasts will just be tanks. Warriors Orochi III Hyper for the Wii U involved bears, horses and such that you can ride, and they pretty much just bowled everyone over.
Flyers could work, however, they’d just sort of hover the ground lol.
I just want every lord to be playable, and reoccurring characters (like Anna and Tiki)
I would give my firstborn for The Black Knight as a Lu Bu type character.
Using the recent and marketable titles is fine to start. No different than Hyrule Warriors really, with Mystery of the Emblem being Japan’s Ocarina of Time. Just give me Ike at some point and we’re good.
Dynasty Warriors is already basically a real time version of Awakening. Stat grinding and mindlessly moving your characters forward through an open field while killing everything in front of you. It’s like they were meant to be.
Haha, that was my first thought when I saw the trailer. It’s funny that some people still try to defend the ‘strategy’ in that game.
yeah, but seriously this blows. the swords shown in the trailer basically confirms that fire emblem 4 through 10 are going to be heavily under-represented, or just non-existent at all. It’s #FE all over again. Have fun with your game, waifu warriors.
Exactly. I had this exact conversation with someone else, and it seems very likely that the shit tier 3DS games will get at least half of the reps, if not more. I’m sure the gameplay will be fun, and I’ll still likely buy the game, but I can’t help but feel incredibly disappointed if Jugdral for example only get the lords or Alvis.
I absolutely see all your brothers of Fates there and Lynn, Eliwood and Hector not makin it togheter, if any of them.
Whoa, you two, salty much? Have you [honestly] played any of the crossover Warriors games? (I still have a Gundam Warriors game for 360 with characters I’m unfamiliar with, and Hyrule Warriors is really stretching it thin.) They will cover a much wider range than just the most recent installments. Don’t toss your baby out with the bathwater, they are just trying to double down on their recent successes. Just give it a little time to see what the line up will be like before you trash it.
Will we finally hear about Nohrian festival of bonds and the Hoshido equivalent?
Not really excited, actually. xD
But still, something to look forward to.
Yeah that’s right. Keep the love coming, Nintendo!
Eh, looks to be a fun but pointless diversion. It’s funny how we all thought Awakening saved #FE! XD
I know right? Really don’t see the point of this game to exist. And why oh why would people want this is making me wonder…
Yes, who wouldn’t see the appeal of taking Fire Emblem characters and being able to just have some mindless fun. Oh, the horror.
MUCH EXCITE.
I’m so excited OMFG!!
FE mobile, more looks into FE warriors and possibly seeing how the roster goes, maybe their cards are coming internationally finally, and maybe even showing off their figures too! Maybe even more… Like perhaps a look into their next game? Or FE Fates dlc or inclusions into other games? The possibilities could be endless now that they’re a main Nintendo game series !
“We don’t need a Fire Emblem Fighting Game. That’s what Smash is for”-said my friend…..my braincells couldn’t have died any faster while reading that. Excuse me, but the majority of the fanbase and I actually want to fight using characters besides the 5 mainstream ones that people jerk off to.
Then going on about how FE won’t do well as a fighting series and it should stay as an RPG….again braincells dying.
It sucks though if its completely locked onto the Switch because I don’t see myself buying one anytime soon due to not have extra money for that stuff.
i hope no slutty waifu/husbando this time. just a game.
And where I can download the music, please?
Since the Nintendo Switch is finally Region-Free, we can buy eShop VC titles from Japan. Of course I’ll be buying GotH and Thracia 776 when they come out.
wonder if they are planning to reveal a Switch Fire Emblem?
I just hope it has a bit more characters than Hyrule warriors and that they don’t fill up the roster with only Fates/Awakening/Shadow Dragon.
Please Nintendo, put Lyndis in this game.
*Throws money at screen*
Excited for everything except the mobile app.
Ehr… “Nintendo of Japan” does not exist. You should correct the text. Nintendo Company Limited (NCL) or Nintendo in Japan.
Nintendo of Japan is just wrong.
Thanks, we’ll be mindful of that in the future. You are referring to past articles, right? Since I don’t see any mention here.
I had updated it, thanks to the suggestion of Erlangueiro. Thank you for the correction!
OOOH BOYO!
Would this FE Mobile be in the US though .-.
Holy Gaiden remake, Batman!
Would it be 16 [unnamed]? Echoes would be 15.
That’s an incredibly valid point. I’ll update that. Thanks!
What a time to be an FE fan; 3 FE games this year with a main one next year. The Gaiden remake is definitely hype tho, will kind of show newer players what the series was like back in the day, and allows vets to experience Gaiden again but remastered. Great year for Fire Emblem.
VERY excited for the gaiden remake; never played it so it’s pretty much a “new” main-line FE game to me =3
Man idk about this, kinda disappointed in how it all turned out. Echoes has potential but I was never that big of a fan of Gaiden in the first place. Hopefully it will change my mind in due time.
Voting for Seliph in the webpage, we need to show Nintendo that we love Genealogy of the Holy War.
Well, i didnt feel insulted, so its alright.
Echoes seems promissing, Warriors still meh, cant wait to see the new game, and Heroes looks just sweet.
Sad no american release of Cyper be mentioned…
20 minutes of genuine Major IP treatment for 4 games.
The Gaiden remake is so unexpected that now I’m seriously going to hope for a Jugdral remake too.
The mobile game aknowledge the existence of the entire saga, granting the ability to vote any character from any game in the prerelease event.
This is a great era to be a Fire Emblem fan.
8×6 grid? That might’ve flown on old 2007-era dumbphones or Palm devices, but c’mon. Phantom of the Kill was a mess in a lot of ways, but it looked like a better adaptation of the 3DS FE style to smartphones than Heroes. Not all mobile games need to be dumbed down to two-minute affairs.
Gaiden remake is unexpected, but I enjoyed the original (despite the buggy translation) and it’d be hard to do worse than Fates.
oh my, Wendy has now become Gwendolyn. There goes everyone’s Wendy’s hate.
they Did That… nintendo goin in and announcing 4 games within 20 minutes……. i’m not ready for this (gaiden remake is coming a day after my birthday !!!!)
Heroes looks adorable so I’ll download that and maybe play it once in a while. A Gaiden remake is really interesting, but if it just plays like another Awakening/Farts, I’m skipping it.
A game: *is announced, with literally no information as to the contents of it*
You: There is absolutely no chance I will like this thing that I know utterly nothing about
…Do they pay this fanbase to be this negative?
Very exciting, thanks for the analysis!
One thing I guess you didn’t notice was that during the part where Robin and Sabre are talking, it is fully voiced. Regardless, really cool analysis! :3
Jugdral is going to become the new Hoenn and Majora’s Mask.
I think the woman with pointy ears is Mila in human form
Agreed.
I think it’s cool that they added a new female villager. There’s likely more new characters added if I had to guess. Too bad her and Robin will have to be renamed in the English localization for obvious reasons.
Well, who knows. We have more than one Arthur after all.
Robin is now Tobin according to Heroes, but Genealogy’s Arthur is still Arthur I think.
Does anyone know why Robin got renamed to Tobin? Cause I dont understand.
IS, are you redeeming yourself?
A proper remake of FE2 that might even include an enriched storyworld and characters? No Snowflake-flavoured always-right completely worshiped Avatar in sight? Tasteful inclusion of original and new game mechanics? A North American release?!
I’m so gun shy with IS right now, it could be a trap… but all signs point to a redemption! Maybe IS has learned how to properly remake a classic.
…
NOW REMAKE FE1 & 3 AGAIN AND DO IT RIGHT! GIVE MARTH A PERSONALITY!!!
And do FE4 and 5 whist you’re at it.
(Anyone else reminded of the Pink Floyd song? Nobody? No one? Was it just me? Okay.)
I’m cautious, because I feel it maybe a trap. They know fans’ weaknesses are getting hopes up that they’ll buy the next game regardless in hopes its good. xD
(But I’m sure as a remake they have good things to work with. I’m more worried about the “brand new games” like on the Switch).
Oh it’ll be definitely a horrible joke of a game in which none of the women wear clothes (except where the government mandates that) and the land’s god is you, the avatar, a creature so infallible that even when making massive and blatant mistakes, everyone still worships and vests absolute power in you… oh, wait, that’s Fates…
What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… A bit like FE10 but the player designs the evil god and also we’re treated to a lot of exposition with characters blindly worshiping and waifu-ing the Avatar. We could even call it Children of the Corrin!
Of course I don’t think they’ll do that… but we will see.
Well, the only female character we’ve seen so far is Celica, and she wears as much, if not more clothing than in her original artwork (it’s placed differently on her).
As much as I like FE2, they would have to works really hard NOT to improve over the original.
It’s OK to be wary, (though Fates was excellent for anything non-story related. And even then, they had at least E for Effort.) but they really now how to sweet talk to us, you’ll have to admit.
“What would be really cool is if they turned up the snowflake!Avatar to 11 and had him/her as the bad guy. The story is the ragtag protagonists have to destroy the Avatar and free everyone from painfully and blindly worshiping him/her… “
So, basically the Future Past DLC. Mmkay.
That too, that too.
Am I the only one who likes Fates..?
No. But apparently the number of people who a) enjoy Fates; b) enjoy older games in the series; and c) frequent this website are very few in number.
We’re getting three Fire Emblem games this year, and people still want to find things to complain about so it “waifu” this and “weeaboo” that.
Actually I think lots of people fit into your three categories. It’s just that people with complaints will always seem more vocal, since if you already like something there’s usually little reason to gush all the time about it. Whereas if you have a complaint you’d probably try and voice them in as many platforms as you can.
If you notice it’s usually the same like five people bashing Fates all the time. Nothing against them (I actually think they a have few valid criticisms), but I’m just saying they are not the majority you’d think they are.
We Fates Enjoying, Older Game loving, Serenesforesters are an endangered species
We need to be on the endangered species list XD
It’ll be good to properly get to play through Gaiden. It’s probably the game that needed a remake the most out of every game in the series (since FE1 at least you could play FE3 Book 1 before Shadow Dragon came out). I’m also liking the art style for the game, seems like it’d be a good one for FE to stick with for a while.
FE Warriors I really wanted to hear more news about, but upon further reflection, this is about the same amount as we had for Hyrule Warriors at the start, so I shouldn’t complain too much, you’ll probably get bits about it throughout the coming months up to its release.
FE Heroes I’m not personally interested in a game, but it representing FE as a whole gives me hope for FE Warriors, and we have English names for every playable character, some NPC’s, and subtitles that we didn’t get. They even acknowledged FE7’s subtitle for once!
Hidari is apparently the artist for the Atelier series and Fractale. I was wondering why the artstyle looked so familiar. I really like his style for this series and I hope he’ll do future entries. I’m actually quite a big fan of Kozaki’s art in general but it was really overstylized for FE.
This is just my opinion, but I really feel like this artist is a proper balance between the older games’ classic feel and the more modernized anime style of character designs. It’s a really, really good choice.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It feels like a natural progression of the series’ older style.
I actually dislike the portraits. I see it doing bad just because of that just like Shadow Dragon.
Hidari also done the Toukiden series, which further proves how capable she is on designing battle ready characters that have great mixture of practicality and style. Her overall aesthetic and design sense sits in the middle between Senri Kita and Yuusuke Kozaki for me, which is great. I could even said that Hidari is a non shoujo versio of Senri Kita (with better design sense on armor).
Kozaki was great in FE Awakening because he was allowed to show his default design sense that rely on realistic side more. It become a mess in FE Fates where he was forced to make his design more fantasy than he could (he already struggling with making his realistic aesthetic to become more fantasy in FE13). It was really bad for Kozaki because since he got a lot of shit for it while all the problematic design we have in the previous two games were the result of the art director.
Small correction: Hidari was ONE artist for Atelier, specifically the games for the Dusk trilogy. Before those, Mel Kishida did the art for the Arland trilogy, and the newest set of games has yet another artist.
That said, I agree that Hidari’s more subdued designs fit FE much better than Kozaki’s (can’t wait for what he comes up with for No More Heroes 3 though). In fact, the color palettes remind me of the PoR/RD designs.
Great as usual Vincent! It may be worth nothing to fans who are unfamiliar with it that the original Gaiden lacked weapon durability which inspired Fates to do the same. I only bring this up since I was asked by a lot of fans whether it would include weapon durability or not. xD
The three swords will probably be some tome-based limiting mechanic, indipendent from stamina, for arena (there is no stamina cost shown in the arena screen) or some other mode.
The “flame” icon could represent dragonstones, since we know Manaketes are in, but stones are not shown anywhere else in the weapons schematic.
I would second this notion based on other mobo games i tried. They function akin to Stamina but are only used for “special event” maps (eg. 1 run on an event map cost 1 sword and 1 sword regenerates every 2 hours).
Looking at one of the screenshots on the website that shows a list of characters, yeah the flame is used for manaketes. Red>Green>Blue>Red. Basic color triangle stuff. Although seeing that Archers, Clerics, and Ninjas use a grey icon, I guess they aren’t effected by the triangle, but can’t gain the bonuses from using it.
Oh great…now we’re screwed.
Hey, I think it cool. It’s not like they are only planning to do only mobile games now.
We have 2 more planned and an other spin-off.
Exactly. They literally tried to hit all the bases.
You want the next standard Fire Emblem fare? Fire Emblem Gaiden has you covered.
You want a hack and slash game go play Fire Emblem Warriors.
To lazy or broke to afford a Nintendo system? Play Fire Emblem Heroes
Do you remember playing Fire Emblem 9 and 10? Don’t worry we have a High resolution Fire Emblem on the way with the switch.
Exactly, let’s just hope we can get a GOOD Fire Emblem with a story and supports conversations like PoR + a long and difficult game like RD. With this and a Metroid game, I get a Switch in no time.
Everything looked good except the mobile game.
They’re all just the same drivel.
I’m actually pretty excited for this even though I’m usually not too big on mobile games. A magical gun that shoots out a waifu (…and a Chrom)? An assault waifle? Sold.
That made me laugh way more than it should’ve. X3
sigh… Why did I laugh at a pun?
I think it’d be really funny if we got Merlinus in the game.
IDK how they’d make that work lmao. I’m voting for him if I make it all 14 days.
That would be great. Merlinus has my vote!
Or the trainee/villager classes… but then again there no light or dark magic either so who knows.
Holy Shit..
Is this a trick or is Intelligent Systems actually reaching out to the veteran fanbase?
That’s a step back on the path of radiance, now do not mess up.
I don’t want to see aaaany cheese or bad character designs.
Everyone vote Rolf please. We need some PoR/RD representation.
I voted for Geoffrey
I’ve been voting for Edward and Sothe on my account and my wife’s account. Ike’s games have too many great characters.
No love for Mia?
I voted for Jill and if I cant vote for her every single time I’m going to vote for Soren, Nephenee, Lethe, Oscar, and Ilyana at the very least
YES! Brofist! (I will vote the Radiant Dawn version though, even if the PoR one is my favorite she is still a teen, in the first game)
That does beg the question obviously Tiki would be split into 2 characters being a significant age difference but its 2 years between PoR and RD are they just gonna do one central new artwork or will it be split for each returning character from PoR I kinda hope not cuz that be a lil’ silly
My guess is for the central artwork like they did with Ike (who looks like the Ike from the 2nd part if the game). For Jill I don’t think they will do a “young” version (well if she get to be in the game) but I’m curious for Mist, Rolf or Marcia who got some things changing.
True, people Jill, Volke, Nephenee, Oscar, and Geoffrey don’t have much different but Mist, Ike, Sothe Marcia, and even Boyd are a noticeable difference. Guess we will have to wait and see.
I prefer nailah
If we want PoR/RD characters, Nephenee, Volke, and the motherfucking Black Knight are where it’s at.
Voted for Micaiah (and for Norne in a bizarre acident o_O)
Quick question. Who’s the localization team behind this remake? 8-1 studios or Treehouse?
I hope to Christ that it’s 8-4. Some of the support in Awakening were kinda dumb, but almost all of the ones in Fates were just bland. Like- only a meager step above Radiant Dawn.
The tomes shown for each color represent an element. You can see what type of tomes theyare via weapons triangle.
if it is a free to play, i download this ^_^
Its freemium.
I have to vote for Dozla. #Dozla2017
Make Fire Emblem Great Again.
Dozla ain’t popular.
I want FE4 and 5 more than anything. 4 in my opinion is the best game in the series. Here’s also hoping the localization is actually half decent unlike Fates
Here’s hopin’
the added feminine unit with bangs looks exactly like the villager Effie (compare the sprites and you will see) but it seems like she was promoted into a mage
I feel a bit sad, since it seems that “Tharja” had a artwork change to it (her breasts seems smaller than the Awakening artwork).
Everyone’s getting new art for this game.
zomg, that last sleeve is too cute!
Actually, the story of Zofia and Rigel made me think more about North and South Thracia. Noba and Dain were also siblings, after all.
Yup, I was reminded of that as well, but I didn’t want to make the article bigger than it already is, haha. I totally forgot about Noba and Dain being siblings though (it was super late when I was writing this).
No one going to say anything about the White Robin with guns? Ok.
I think ourself (the guy in white and gold robe) can’t fight,because all i saw was he summoning unit,and second the gun hole looks like a keyhole in a door,maybe that gun was the thing for summoning.
Voted Ayra. Geneology needs representation. I didn’t see a single FE4 character in there.
I also voted for Ayra.
Great soundtrack, thank you for uploading it.
Damn, that soundtrack is amazing. In particular, the upbeat jazz rendition of hitori omoo and the id purpose piece are amazing.
Anna Best Waifu, Just Sayin’.
(Also if They Have Awakening & Fates Anna Then My Team Will be All 3 Annas & Lissa)
Which one?
I Just hope it doesnt have Permadeath.
With the summoning system, keeping permadeath would kill this game within the first week.
They confirmed it doesn’t in the video.
I’ve voted for Ayra from Genealogy of the Holy War. She started or popularized the Swordmaster class. We need Genealogy of the Holy War representation.
Ewww, are they getting rid of a separate Magic and Strength stat again? Under HP, it just says “ATC” (probably for “Attack”) before “TEC” (Technique, or Skill). Ugh…
Also, I don’t like the new studio’s animation. It’s choppy and weird. The art takes a pleasant direction, though.
Boey without his red hair is also really, really wrong… he started it! He started the trend!
And as for Effie… if there is an avatar character in this game (there may or may not be), I think it might be her. Starting out as a villager so you can choose what class you advance to would be a neat way to make the unit personalized as well as appreciate their growth. The fact that there is a new character whose name coincidentally sounds like the letters “FE” read aloud seems too convenient not to mean something. (I also want the female version of a player character not to be considered “non-canon” compared to the male counterpart for once…)
This all seems very complicated, and just plain too big for a smartphone game…
i thought the mage looked like a girl, in which case maybe it’s mae?
Such a shame I can’t throw my money at someone for this. Feelsbadman
dang it I need to know more leaks before I plan to buy more than 3 boxes! D:
*sigh* if only it was possible to buy these ;-;
Who wants to bet we’ll start finding it on Amazon/eBay over the next couple months at skyrocketed prices?
Who wants to bet we’ll all fight for it anyways?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122297945366 <- for anyone interested in getting a copy, just bought one for myself.
Goddamn stamina meter. Whoever designed that mechanic in mobile gaming should be shot. I hate mobile games that only let you play for 15 minutes every 4 hours just so they can try to trick you into spending $5 so you can play for another 15 minutes.
I was really looking forward to a Fire Emblem game on my phone, but now it looks like I’m not going to play it at all.
You know, you can at least get Blazing Blade, Sacred Stones, and even a fantranslation of Binding Blade on you phone…
Whoa, I’m honestly shocked that Lyn is leading the polls. That’s great though, it means the original fanbase is not as small as I expected. I’m gonna put in some votes down for her because I really wanna see her win.
The Nostalgia goggles are fierce in this poll. I kinda rooted for Hector over Lyn, but I’m glad to see Elibe get such high praise at this point. Elibe games haven’t had much love from Nintendo in a long time.
FE6 in particular is getting quite a bit of love considering the many FE6 units that will be available at the beginning.
Ugh, Lyn. Sorry but I never liked her so the fact that she’s leading the ballot kinda angers me. Not surprised about the other 2, though.
I’m honestly asking this, why don’t you like her?
Well, excuse me for having different tastes. If anything, really bad experiences with her dying to axe users, super crap defenses and her ending if she doesn’t marry Eliwood or Hector thus erasing any trace of Caelin in FE6 although that part can be understood due to the fact that she didn’t exist in FE6. Tutorial “lord” who held your hand though her entire tutorial, err…story. I’ve been very wary of Myrmidons and speedy units ever since.
Wow. I ask an honest question, because I’m genuinely curious whenever someone has an unusual opinion, and you decide to be rude. By replying in such a crabbyway, you’re only encoiraging people to bite your head off whenever you state said unusual opinion.
My bad but the classes in general (Myrmidon/Samurai/Swordmaster) have let such a bad impression on me that I can hardly find anything good about them. “Encouraging people to bite my head off”? Like I care. I simply stated my opinion on the matter. It comes off a harsh and rude but it’s how I feel.
How the hell did your Lyn die to axe users? I mean, she’s not exactly up there on my list either (I’ve only been voting for FE4 characters haha), but seriously, I remember the weapon triangle being good in the GBA games.
Basically, her defenses are bad enough that even one hit is usually enough to slaughter her if she’s taken even one other hit the entire level, and knowing how much RNGs secretly hate our guts it’s quite plausible that at least one player has had Lyn get wiped by an unlucky shot – I lost Ogma my first Shadow Dragon playthrough to three consecutive axe hits that were all under 20% Hit Chance, so it’s believable.
“How?” Have you heard about the RNG? I’ve seen Myrmidons/Samuraiget hit and dying to axe users a lot to the point I even question the weapon triangle at times. Lyn in particular even died in the prologue once. For her I’d always just have her counter or having her attack and have a healer nearby. Hana and Hinata from Fates kept proving me right to dislike the class in general as they kept getting hit by maces and axes.
Yessss! Lyn! I’ve been voting for her all the days. I truthfully didn’t expect her to be the top though.
I’m all for Lyn, as I love Swordmasters (except where they were butchered in Awakening), and was super glad to have a Swordmaster Lord, but I would have preferred to have a non-Lord in the top 3 just to see the love (can we get some Nephenee love up in here?!?!)
While I’m personally voting for Cordelia, Nephenee would be next on my list, so you have my moral support!
I’d advise that they should vote for Ayra, the first Swordmaster. She’s the first on my list. She was at a time before Swordmasters were butchered. Compared to Lyn, she’s pure nostalgia. I agree that I’d rather have a non-Lord as number 1.
Lyn’s at the top, and so is Ike! Yes!
That’s cool I really like all 3 of the leaders but I also saw this coming its going to be very hard for some characters to make the list because they may not be central enough. I wouldn’t be surprised if only like Tiki or Tharja were the only non “lord” character on the list.
The want. Do people put this kinda stuff on ebay or whatever?
AGH
…This makes things difficult. I may have to take more drastic measures – like using my iPod, my brother’s iPod, my mother’s phone, both our home comps, my dad’s laptop, and my grandmother’s comp every day for votes.
Haha, probably not. In all realness, though, I was hoping for like, a Whitewing sister or something instead of just Smash people. Guess I’d better consolidate what votes I’ve got left for Roy…meh. Whatever. I’m splitting mine between two of Roy, Idenn, Limstella, and Palla for anyone who wants to lend a hand.
Why isn’t Caeldori on there dang it!
surprised lyn over marth 😮
I think everyone’s kind of tired of Marth by now, plus we have lady Marth so it’s possible some of the male FE players who may have voted for Marth instead chose Lucina.
Wow I’m shocked at this. I knew Ike would be up there but Lyn and Lucina? They’ve already been in the trailer as in the game characters *shrugs* People vote for what they like though.
I think Nintendo plans to release almost if not all characters from each game as characters at some point or other. If you notice up above it says they’ll be given special costumes for the event, so it’s possible that everyone wants to see what kind of exclusive costumes either of those two will get – would Lucina get Masked Lucina as her exclusive, or perhaps her Yukata from the Hot Spring Scramble? What would they do for Lyn? I know I’m interested in seeing these “special Choose Your Legends costumes” particularly on characters that don’t see much love otherwise, like Palla, Idenn, or Limstella, but in the end, I’ll still fight for Roy.
Yeah, I’d figured they’d get special art, which I know people would love for their favorite character, but my logic is if they’re already in the game, then vote for one who isn’t confirmed yet (like me and Cordelia)
AH MAN I FORGOT CORDELIA
…There goes tomorrow’s vote. I was going to just vote for Roy, but then I remembered Idenn, then Limstella, then Palla, now Cordelia, probably remember somebody else I want by tomorrow, so meh.
Hopefully Ike wins by techincality, or at least 2nd place. Isn’t anyone voting for Radiant Dawn Ike? and Will the votes merge or will both Ike’s be treated as different characters?
This is what I want to know. Both my wife and I have spent all our votes thus far on RD Ike, so I would hope they are combining, but it seems not. I actually get tired of young Ike being pushed over the mature, literally cannot lose, true bad-A Ike.
Since both young and old Tiki are included as separate characters, it’s likely that Ike will receive the same treatment.
Radiant Dawn is pretty cool since its Ike’s character coming full circle. but… I dunno, a lot of votes where thrown in on Radiant Dawn ike at this point. might as well keep going. though i do recommend switching Ike for path of radiance. HE IS at 3rd place already.
Do we know if anyone here on SF is going? I want that pixel character sleeve set.
I expected Lucina to be #1 but seeing Lyn is equally disappointing for me. What about L’Arachel? Minerva? Tharja? Marisa? Micaiah? I dunno, I feel like there are other women in FE that would be more deserving than a character who we’ve already seen in the promo’s/trailer.
Minerva has been confirmed along with Tharja as both were in the trailer. Micaiah is likely I think since she’s a lord, La’rachel could be possible since healers are in the game (Wyrs in the gameplay trailer and Lissa in the opening, I also noticed Sakura in the background when they showed a lot of characters, she’s on the far left in the back) Marisa I would like to see but who knows tbh.
Micaiah is the Lord equivalent in Radiant Dawn, and thusly has Main Character status, which pretty much guarantees her inclusion. As for the others, there’s really no reason to believe Nintendo won’t at least try to add every character they can to get as many people as possible into this game because more players means more people to go buy the Orbs that probably won’t be all that common through regular gameplay.
Not to be “that guy” even though typing this will make me that regardless, Nintendo is not the one making this game. If my information is correct it’s DeNA.
Oh, really? I didn’t know that. I do still think the idea of adding every character they can to get as many people buying those Orbs as possible is still relevant, that just means who will Nintendo allow them to have instead of who will Nintendo choose to add.
Well it’s not like it matters much anyways since they’d just be special launch versions/cosmetics of the winning 2 genders. Still, I’d like to see people voting towards characters not seen on the covers ya know?
yeah that was my logic, for example we haven’t seen Cordelia and I’ve been voting for her
Hector >>>>> Lyn in that game! There are a lot of better characters in the whole franchise, but people still voting for the main characters. Lyn badass swordmaster? naaah the definition of a badass swordmaster is Karel.
Nah Fir
Nah’s not even a swordmaster.
Wants precious NOW!!! Also while Ike is in the group shot would like to see more PoR/RD in there or at least confirmation that you can get everyone from all games at the start
Knowing most Summoner-Type games, it’s doubtful everyone will be available as a possible first hero, and it’s also likely that certain characters will be purposefully withheld so they can be released later as part of exclusive events to ensure everyone rushes out and buys a bunch of Orbs so they can try to pull the rare hero while they can, so I’d say don’t let your hopes get too high or you may get quashed.
True be nice if they say so at the beginning though “At this time FE8, 9, and 10 are not fully implemented into the game” sort of thing
Yeah, it would. With other games like Brave Frontier and KHuX, I’ve seen them give you a way to look at what the full list of Medals/Units/what-have-you that you can get from each Summon Gate/Other such thing is, and I think they’ll at least try to do that here, but if not, then I guess we’ll just have to cross our fingers, eh?
8 more days! ＼(´◓Д◔`)／
They killed Nino! Those monsters!
I want to play with my fav husbandos the 3G from SS; Gerik, Gilliam, Garcia~~~
B-But my Boy
Dissappointed that Frederick doesn’t yell “Pick a god and pray!”
Tharja….Camilla and F!Corrin…garbage….also Donnel? blech…not gonna stay 10th I’m positive Dorcas I’m surprised at lol
I gotta say I’m very disappointed that Eirika is in the top 10 considering she is mediocre at best (as far as I remember), and she has the personality of a rock…And not a boulder in the ocean, but a pebble in a desert, so really bad….
Also sad to see Nephenee so far down on the list 🙁
How the hell did Donnel even made it into the top 10…?!
DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE MAN WITH THE PAN!!!
Probably a bunch of Awakening players who know how broken he is once you give him a little training.
Except the fact that you have to rain Donnel at all to make him viable shows that he’s not good let alone “broken”.
How does having to train him make him not broken? Aptitude alone makes him shoot past everyone ridiculously early, meaning if anything he’s more broken when you consider he has to go through ten extra levels before he can start doing normal things as he gains like five or six stat growths every single level.
Except Donnel has a hard time just leveling up. His awful Str means that you’re dumping a Forge on him just so that he can kill enemies, and his awful HP and Def means that he requires a pair-up just to survive a single hit. And much of everyone in Awakening that joins earlier than Donnel starts cruising as soon as they get going. The difference is that none of them actually have to go through a “suck period” like Donnel does. This includes Panne, who has virtually identical growths to him even with Aptitude considered.
Ask anyone else at the forum on this site, and they’ll all tell you the same thing.
He’s not terribly difficult, he just requires a little more work than most others – all you need to do is ALMOST kill an enemy with somebody else, which is fairly easy if you have Champions of Yore or, as an easier route, EXPonential Growth as he can beat the Level 1 Entombed on his own with nothing more than a Glass Lance and they’ll level him up easily enough, not to mention he gets Armsthrift and insane Luck at the end of the day so you can give him all the best weaponry without fear of breaking anything you needed for a real challenge like Apotheosis. In the end he still outperforms many of the rest of the Shepherds – I’d take him over Vaike or Sully any day, for example, and, addressing your comparison to Panne, I would argue Counter is a better Skill than Lethality to pass on to any Female Gen 2 character as Counter is a Male-Class-only Skill while Lethality can be learned by any Child character provided you set the parentage up right, not to mention that I’ve found Donnel infinitely more useful than Panne for at least three-fourths of my twenty-odd playthroughs just from the Class Tree setups the two have.
Wait wait wait. If your a serious committed fan in the first place, and you don’t do some “nuz-lock” challenge (i’m referring to pokemon) where you set limitations on yourself like for example, no re-classing and no spamming Reeking boxes, and you actually take the time to make sure each character gets the best possible skills from their class trees, all character will end up having green stats across the board (maybe not resistance. FE produces hate resistance and give bull $hit growth rates every game)
Your even talking about USING DLC and if people happen to have paragon from Bloodlines 3, and EXPotential growth already as is, mine as well keep reclassing (while getting good skills in mind so stopping around lv10 if u just want the lv5 promoted skill or stopping at Lv15). At best i noticed once they’ve gained about 40-ish to 60 levels they will have green all across. So how many times you have to re-class, 3 right? Thats 60 levels plus the few if they come unpromoted.
You say “not terribly difficult”, and “a little more work” but playing on Lunatic let alone Lunatic+ and you don’t have the luxury to hold back or leave enemies half finished off. In fact starting from Lunatic onward, Donnel can’t get any damn kills with his low Str even with a forged lance. His skill is too low and he can’t land a hit with a % or 70 or lower and his speed makes him horrible at dodging. Seriously the chapter he comes on during Lunatic enemies already have Steel Axes and hit like 27+ damage and with his like 2 or 3 def they are going OVERKILL by like 5 points with his cheap HP. Even Kellam can’t save him with boosted 4/5 def from pairing. Donnel is an insult to characters like Nino and Est with high growth rates but near end-game entry.
First off, only the characters you use will have their stats straight up green, not necessarily all of them – as I mentioned, I usually avoid Vaike and Sully and I also generally skip Kellam, Miriel and Ricken because I usually find that other characters do what I would use them for but better, like Stahl, who outperforms Sully most of the time as a Swordmaster early on since he begins with a headstart on Weapon Strength and Astra is an excellent Skill to get for either Cavalier for late game, or my own Avatar, who does all the Magic stuff Ricken and Miriel does but better. Secondly, if you’re playing Lunatic, just obtaining Donnel is a marvelous feat and I commend everyone who pulled that off, but that’s part of why I mentioned using EXPonential Growth in the first place – it’s the same across the board no matter what difficulty you’re using. Also, you can’t really compare Donnel with Nino and Est fairly because Donnel arrives earlier in the story than Nino/Est and his Class setup is different not to mention you have the DLC for grinding whereas with Nino/Est you have no such bonus, so you need to treat them differently. Also, what’s weird about using DLC? You kind of sound like it’s some plague, but I’ve been using it to grind out for a 100% complete Support Log because it’s the easiest way, and I’ve needed Rogues and Redeemers 3 because I’m not quite ready to take Apotheosis on without Limit Breaker and I’m a bit of a completionist so I’m trying to finish every DLC episode, not to mention get every possible Skill on every character.
Really, in the end it’s a matter of preference as to Donnel’s brokenness, but I think that there are players who have ground him out and loved him and voted for him because of that, although it is possible that there are a bunch of people who were like “Look, we all know it’s going to be Lord-Spam Glory for the top list, so let’s at least try for ONE really out-there guy, like that one kid with the pot on his head.” so that’s another possibility.
Bro….your missing the point of what some of us are telling you. In fact your response to me was off topic. I don’t know how your interpreting what i said but first I don’t have a problem with DLC users. In fact i’ll come clean. I use powersaves/ActionReplay. I did a few play throughs the legit way when the game first came out but after i got AR i started putting Dragonskin on every character, armsthrift, and giving myself a bunch of stat boosting items plus infinite money. I prep teams just for spot-passing and taking on Apothesis. So all characters feel the same to me since i can put whatever skill i want on anyone.
Now the point some of us are trying to make is that Donnel isn’t broken/superior. His maximum stat modifier is +1 str, +3 luck, and +1 def. So compare him to a hero like Gregor. Gregor’s maximum stat mod is +2 str, +2 skill, and +1 def. This means that with all across max green, Gregor has 1 more str then Donnel, 2 more skill which for some skills can be like +1/2% activitation rates, where as Donnel only beats Gregor with 3 luck if all stats were green across. That means Gregor is a superior Hero becuz he has more stats that matter. Now say you make him Bow Knight. Gregor still has better stat maximums so who else can be a BK? Virion. His stat modifier is +2 skill and +2speed so as a bow knight, Yeah Donnel has 1 more str and def compared to V-man but Virion has 2 more skill and speed so again 1 or 2% more activitation rate and better dodge. Now say you make him warrior. Vaike’s modifiers are +3 str, 1 skill and speed. So as a Warrior with all green stats Vaike would have 2 more str and 1 more skill/speed then Donnel which are stats that matter. Donnel only beats Vaike as a warrior with 3 more luck and 1 more def.
Whatever class Donnel picks to end-game with, his maxed out stats still aren’t better then Gregor, Virion, and Vaike. Instead of the effort you put into raising Donnel,all you have to do is re-class those 3 guys and give them a few extra kills/levels so they can get all green. Donnel isn’t superior. In fact if anything, all 13 children characters are broken if you match up the right parents with their modifiers that they pass on and pick the right classes. Severa as a hero can hit like 51/52 skill depending on her father, Inigio can get more str/skill plus if you make Chrom his dad, get the Rightful King +10% skill, and…..well basically i can go on and on and on. Children are broken on this game. They are better than their parents becuz of how their stat modifiers work.
And all i’ve been talking about is stats. If i brought up skills even then Donnel isn’t that impressive. Virion can get 3 breaker skills, life taker, and whatever else you want making him an HP Dodge tank. Gregor has access to astra, axefaire, swordfaire, a breaker skill, and a variety of self-assist skills that make him great as Hero with +5 damage, and …..again i don’t need to bring up broken children. Putting aside his appearance, peronality, and whatever else people look at and think is great about him, objectively, he isn’t a great unit. Again, objectively, he is not a broken/superior/good unit. That is the point we are trying to make. Preferences is like a synonymous word for BIAS. You prefer him so you think he is good, but objectively he isn’t. His stats don’t match up, his skills don’t match up, and end-game after about 60 level ups, his growth rates don’t matter. If you like his personality thats fine. Or his looks. But don’t call him a broken/good character. He is broken but not in the good way.
Ditto what Tediz64 said. And besides, DLC and grinding isn’t often considered in a unit’s natural performance.
Some dumb hashtag he ain’t gonna last at 10 though.
Thanks for the zip file! Saved me the trouble of going through and getting each individual one myself 😛
Glad Ephraim made the top 10 of the males as I think he’s a very underused character. And Lyn nabbing the top spot of the female list is just awesome as she’s one of the first FE characters I’ve known about.
Lucina and Tharja are most likely suffering from LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) they would probably be able to beat Lyn singularly, but being both in the same pool split the Awakening fanbase enough to make Lyn come on the top.
On the other side Ike is simply a beast, even splitted against freaking HIMSELF, being able to be N°1 and N°5 at the same time.
The only Japan-only character is Roy, that has smash popularity, so obviously western votes were dominant, a testament to FE increased success in the western market and a global interest for FE Heroes.
Funny Dorcas at 18 in the male pool: is he genuine or there is some rallying around for a joke entry?
It should be Eliwood in second and not Roy…I really don’t see why people like Roy so much. His character is weak and this guy is the worst lord in the entire series.
Simple Answer: How many people are only voting for someone from Smash Bros?
Broken Sword of Seals is broken even if you only use it for a while.
Smash Bros. is the only reason Roy is so high. If anything, we should concentrate our votes on Eliwood to see if he makes it to the top 20.
But why when we can have an epic Ike/Roy standoff for the last couple days and build up hype for who finally pulls ahead in the end?
We already have that thanks to Smash 4. As of the current results, they’re nothing but a huge embarrassment to the Fire Emblem fans who played most of the games.
Not to terribly surprised by this list sad theres no Jill on it but happy to see Nephenee and both Ikes with PoR Ike being at #1 and out of everyone Lute is hands down the one person I did not expect to see on this list
I know that feel bro, but hey if only Jill, Titania and Nephenee are included in the game, that’s enough to make me happy^^
But the fact that PoR Ike is number 1 is giving me faith for the FE fanbase!
Well, everyone’s likely to get in eventually. The real question will be how much you’re willing to spend to GET Jill, Titania, and Nephenee.
Haha, well it all depends on how much and how is the game programmed for getting the characters you want^^
Agreed be nice if they sectioned them off by series buy orbs for people from the Elibie series or the Tellius series otherwise it be really freggin random
ROY’S ALMOST THERE!!! HE’S NEARLY THERE! IT’S LIKE SMASH BRETHREN ALL OVER AGAIN!!! WHO WILL COME OUT ON TOP?!?!?!
Also, people still remember who Chrom is?!
VOTE FOR OUR BOY
Dorcas and that sneaky Lute! Haha. Both are my favourite. 😀
I’m pleased that Owain and Nino got into the top 20!
I think it’s funny how both Ike and Marth have two versions of themselves up there…
If Owain hadn’t been in the top 20 I would have been seriously disgusted with the FE Community as a whole.
I don’t really get Ike and Marth being split, but I’m not complaining because otherwise Roy would have literally no chance of beating Ike looking at where Ike is on the list AFTER they split the votes, and Marth wouldn’t be too far behind since he’s so popular.
*This is where I put all the hate from my choices not being in the top 20.* But, seriously, where is Midori? I think Midori is a better character than Sakura.
Characters who aren’t key to the plot are usually at a major disadvantage. Children moreso, since not everyone recruits them. So it’s rather intriguing when you have characters like Owain and Severa make it to the top.
Owain has a bit of an advantage in that his extreme dramatism makes him more memorable. Hell, when he yelled out “IT GNAWS AT MY SOUL!!!!” my first thought was that I had to send a screenshot immediately to my old college roommate, as we used to do the whole fake-over-dramatization of everything.
I am sad there’s no love for Canas the Menace who fought a snowstorm to the death!
Replace Eirika and Robin with Nephenee and Anna/Tiki and I’m happy.
Sad that L’Arachel didn’t even rank, but not really surprised. The massive influx of newbies only have two games to pick from, so they’re for sure going to get their picks in- but we veterans have the entire series to choose from. A lot tougher to get a unified front for who we want.
I’m also quite annoyed that the Black Knight is nowhere to be seen.
Everybody spam Nephenee to try and get her into the top 12- she’ll make the calendar that way.
Also- I think people are misunderstanding the vote- everybody is already in. Or will be. The main outcome of the votes are the top two getting special outfits and top 12 getting featured in the calendar.
Almost. It’s the top 10 that appear in the calendars. The first two months feature the original characters for Heroes.
Im in a bit of a weird spot. I am a relatively new fan, started with awakening, but I feel like a veteran trapped inside the body of a newer fan xD I mean, I havent played too much of the older games, as I sadly don’t own any consoles apart from 3DS and my emulator broke down in the mid of my FE7 run, but I do agree with like all the hate awakening and especially fates get. I love those games, but I’m sure Id lover the older games a lot more, if only I were able to play them, as I hate the whole waifu and grinding aspects of the newer ones… I’m rooting for Black Knight ofcourse.
If the new games are all you’ve played and you hate their features, what made you get into the series …
I meant I agree with all the reasons people prefer the older games over them. Despite those things I still loved them as strategy games. I absolutely love them, bot I agree completely with people who hate on say, Corrin, bad story arcs, Camilla, petting, phoenix mode etc. This is why I think Id enjoy the older games more, which doesnt mean I dont like Awakening amd Fates, which I still enjoyed.
Black Knight needs to be on here! Easily my favorite antagonist.
Probably Black Knight votes got Split between Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn…. I think he would surely win in a villains only vote!! I think Nintendo should Split the top heroes vs heroines and Top male and female Villains!!
Good Day,
I would like to advertise on your website serenesforest.net by posting a single link on the homepage or an article with two links in news, blog or forum section.
Guest post (article) can be made by your writers on any topic, or can be made by ours.
All payment we make via PayPal straight after the article goes live.
If you want to make a counteroffer – feel free to contact me.
Please inform me how much you want for such advertisement and if you have more than one website for such ads.
Thanks!
[email protected]
Would have liked to see Black Knight make it. Sad Owain barely made the list, but Donnel gives me hope.
I don’t think I’ll vote anymore for Lyn since she’s doing so well, so I’ll switch over to Henry, since he needs some love
Sakura’s bit seems to show that you can get a critical when healing?
You’ll have to wait for Nintendo to release the artwork (or people to datamine the game).
For now, you can find some here: https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-heroes/pre-release-media/
I think they should unite Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn characters votes it would surely change the list and also Marth votes!! As an Older Fire emblem fan Its a shame Fire emblem Super NES characters like Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia are not appearing in the list probably because they launched only in japan and are unknow to Western new fans!! Neverthless is a good list with variety from gba games!!! Awakening and Fates have the majority of the votes but they deserve it because they promoted the franchise to another level…. and because of that “tomorrow” we can enjoy FE Shadows of Valentia!!
Lowenthal is pretty much Nintendos Troy Baker.
Probably this list will also be used for Fire Emblem Warriors!!!
Before we saw Matt Mercer and now Travis Willingham! yeah! anyone else from Critical Role coming to FE?
Well, a fair number of them have already been in FE! Laura Bailey was Lucina; Sam Riegel was Donnel, Stahl, and possibly one other from Awakening that I can’t remember. Marisha Ray was Effie, Mikoto, and… Oboro, I think? Or was it Orochi? I always forget, but she was one of those two, in Fates. Liam O’Brien is perhaps most notably Inigo/Laslow, though he’s had some others, including Izana. And if we’re going way back to the early days of Critical Role, Orion Acaba was also in Awakening, though I don’t remember who exactly he was. So here’s hoping they all get to keep their roles for Heroes!
6 more days! ＼(´◓Д◔`)／
It disheartens me that Ike is actually there twice. I used to like him as a character, but it feels like he’s everywhere and too overrated. I don’t want two of the same character, especially since I don’t even want one of him >.<
That fits for Fae, but I hope to Christ that that isn’t going to be the standard Manakete sprite.
With Awakening Tiki?
Kiss any notion of FE6’s manaketes being standard goodbye. More likely than not there’s a manakete Sprite for FE6, FE8, FE9/10 (Dragon Laguz), FE11/12 and FE13. I imagine the Corrins will have their fates style dragon form as well.
Well most of my favorite characters are 11-20s so I guess dreams ded. gz to others
I can’t really remember, is there anything for people other than 1st place?
Also, I’m curious how the votes would’ve gone if more limited, because it feels like there’s a lot of Fates&Awakening characters here
First two get special artwork/outfits. Top 10 make up the rest of the calendar.
Yuck English voice. Can I have Japanese voice but English interface, please?
Let’s hope, but hey, voices for everyone’s better than where we were, right?
Congrats Jedi and Elieson! You’ve both done fantastic work! Keep it up ^^
I won’t say i’m shocked, cuz its more like baffled that Soren didn’t make it to the top 10. I knew there was meme going on with gender bender Soren with Ike and even without the gender bender alot of Yaoi shippers for those two so i figured some girls would vote him in, but putting that aside, Soren makes Robin look like a noob in terms of strategy and intellect. Robin made mistakes. Failed to predict the Risen during Emm’s execution and getting trapped in Fort Stiger by the turncoat rebels. Soren didn’t make any mistakes. And when the laguz leaders ignored his advice and messed up, he still fixed their problem. Plus the kid is HALF DRAGON. He was like the loli (or in this case shota) manakete. (referring to Tiki, Nowi, Myrrh, Fa). Maybe i’m too harsh on Robin or biast but i’m still baffled. I voted Soren at least +7. Also devasted Leanne (PoR or RD) didn’t make it. Who doesn’t like fiesty delicate looking angel girls? That girl had spunk challenging others.
RiP Nino.
Hm. I just wanna know if the system requirements will lock me out like it did for Pokémon Go. After I was a playtester for them and everything.
At least a small control over the people you get is nice. Now just have to figure out how its sectioned off and then the hunt for my favorites begins ;P
Eeuh Elieson, is Mega Man a Nintendo game?
Thanks for the catch. Capcom, not Nintendo, released Mega Man on mobile devices. That’s what I get for having just recent played the game on console and not paying attention to the opening banners
Sounds like you have to pay if you want a super specific team of characters (like how some people play Pokemon games), but can get by fine if you go with whoever the game generates. Pretty reasonable for FTP–kind of like a worldwide version of the TCG without the usual TCG nonsense. May throw them a few bucks just as a tip.
Still, given the choice between Cipher and Heroes, I’d have asked them for Cipher every time. We’ll see if Heroes can change my mind in the end.
“Nintendo Treehouse is responsible for the localization of Fire Emblem Heroes. They’re pretty reliable.”
You’re joking right? If they don’t make the game a total mess, I could trust them a little bit more, but there’s no way I can forgive them for all these bad localisations they’ve done so far, with just a mobile game. If FE Echoes have a good localization, then okay.
Also FE16 (Switch) is easy to get now thanks to it being completely region free in case any of their BS…
Can you please stop saying bad things about them?
Hey dude relax^^ I was just saying that the article seems to be really “cool” with Treehouse’s localization. I just want to believe they can do a good work like they used to. Now that the dust has settled a lot of people agree that Treehouse has made really bad decisions (censoring FE Fates more that it should have been and censoring TMS so much that it has barely anything in common with the original game(: and it flopped so hard) are the most known examples)
Its not! also its their opinion…
It’s not freedom of speech nor good opinion.
…How is it NOT freedom of speech?
And Treehouse’s localization of Fates being bad is far from an unwarranted opinion, a lot of it is based in fact.
That Treehouse’s translation was inaccurate at times (actually quite often) is fact.
That typos persist in more than just a few occurrences throughout the English script is fact.
That Treehouse removed game content is fact.
That Treehouse scrapped and re-wrote entire segments of text to be completely different from the original script is fact.
That the English dub is poor actually IS opinion (although if you think it was good I’d have to vigorously disagree), but that the Japanese audio was cut out entirely is fact.
People have every right to criticize these choices, since these are all things that make for poor localization. And they should, because these things shouldn’t be acceptable. Treehouse has become synonymous with shoddy localization due in no small part to how they handled Fates, and mere mention of their name attached to a game makes many people worry about the game in question. Especially considering that they are Nintendo’s main in-house localization team and will work on a majority of first- and second-party software.
What the hell are you talking about?! Yes it is…
Leave it be man. It seems these guys just don’t get the whole thing at all. I’m with you here that blaming the Treehouse is not the way to go.
So what? We just wait and see games with more and more content removed? Don’t tell me that TMS#FE had a good localization, the localized version really looks silly compared to the original one. I know Nintendo is really slow with understanding what they did well or wrong but come on, just because we get a localization means we should be happy and thankful even if it’s crap? Starfox Zero/Metroid FF were the new games from series the fans were waiting for and it turned out these games were not what the fans were waiting for. But they should be thankful only because they got a game?
Like I said earlier, Don’t blame the treehouse for the censoring content. Blame NoA because they get the full control over that kind of stuff.
And secondly, stop comparing localization and not getting a game you want here because they don’t even make any sense doing so.
Yeah keep being in denial…
No, they’ve been pretty bad and deserving of such low expectations. I mean, personally I think it was disrespectful of Treehouse to hand me Fire Emblem Fates with cut content and a heaping pile of their own garbage on top.
Not looking forward to whatever they do with Heroes, a lot of these are characters who haven’t had the chance to be ruined by them yet.
Well some of us are enjoying the game, the skin skip was really an odd mechanic and the some of the clothes are really weird. I’m ok, with everything else in Fire Emblem Fates also.
The skinship feature’s controversy was a cultural differences thing. Personally I’m more of the mind that these things shouldn’t be removed, rather they should be embraced to show the differences between cultures, but regardless of how one feels about it the fact remains that it was an optional game feature which they decided to remove. The simple answer is that it was deemed to be too sexual in nature, so they nixed it (rather late into the localization process it seems, as digging through the English voice files will show you some that would have been included with the feature), since Treehouse seems to despise any form of even remotely mature content; even in a series as not-kid-friendly as Fire Emblem, which frequently deals with unsavory topics such as racism, genocide, murder, and even taboo sexual topics like incest and occasionally even rape.
And the reason why I believe that last point is because other cultural things that came from Japan, such as the lottery drawings, remained unchanged (Google “garapon lottery” or just “Japanese lottery wheel” and you’ll see what I mean).
And the reason for the removal of certain clothing options wasn’t because they were “weird”, tons of weird clothes still exist in the US version of the game. It was because they showed skin, plain and simple.
It’s great if you can enjoy it for what it is, but as someone who had been eagerly consuming all available news about the game since it was first announced, I had a very good picture of what I was missing out on between the JP and NA versions and it soured the game experience for me. And the reason why I don’t like the thought that criticizing their localization is “disrespectful” to them is because I personally think Treehouse themselves were pretty disrespectful to both the game’s fans and original creators when they decided what of the game’s original content the consumers are or are not okay with.
That’s the last I’ll say on the subject, as I already went through these topics way too many times around the time Fates first came out.
So yeah… Heroes. Honestly looks a lot better than I thought, especially as far as a mobile game is concerned, but I’m still cautious about it. I see all the standard mobage fare that, after playing a few different ones, set off a bunch of red flags in my mind. But we’ll see how intrusive those things are once the game comes out.
That’s still no reason to blame the treehouse for that. Like I said previously, don’t blame treehouse because they are told what to do. Blame the NoA division as a whole.
And I agree with @kingmarth64:disqus, its really disrespectful to blame Treehouse for all this kind of stuff. You’re pretty much asking Nintendo to cause them to lose their jobs for something that they were ordered to do so.
Also to note…I don’t see what Fire Emblem Heroes has anything to do with the treehouse. If they are the ones doing the localisation of the game, then it would simply be impossible to censor that game for them since well…its on mobile so unlike consoles, its not that simple to censor content.
They can’t mess with the game itself, since I believe it only has a single server (meaning that game content is going to be the same across all regions), but what they can easily do is rewrite things. The sole difference will be the text and language option, the English version of which Treehouse will likely have full control over.
An example of what may happen here would be how KLab Games’s English localization team removed and/or edited numerous conversations in the English version of School Idol Festival that depicted homosexuality, but they were caught because many fans play both the JP and US versions of the game and noticed the discrepancies. After some public criticism they apologized and fixed the translation to be more accurate to the original, but that’s something that I don’t see Treehouse ever doing with any of their issues. Because A, they hardly ever respond to anything, B, when they do respond they double down and get defensive, and C, they’ve had ample time to do such for games they’ve messed with in the past.
Yes they and others can thank goodness for region free for Switch!
Doesn’t mean crap if people don’t care how it was and not just that was basterdized…
Dude that’s like… your opinion and stuff. Pretty much anything they removed was inconsequential to the overall game, so “a total mess” is excessive.
I was kind of more referring to TMS#FE than Fates (and the fact, that since Xeno X they seem to get worse and worse). I may be excessive, you’re right but when you look at these game and you compare them to PoR’s localization, you can see there’s a huge gap between them.
Literally Anyone Else > Nintendo Treehouse
Treehouse is not what it once was. Now It seems like it’s full of 25 year olds trying to emulate their favorite Anime, not the original version either, the terrible dubbed version. Fates had one of the worst localizations I’ve seen in a while. I can’t wait until switch is out and the new Fire Emblem is released so I can get the PAL version and play it region free and Treehouse free.
Yeah but the Treehouse will (sadly) continue to localize these games, we’ll only have the japanese version to play. I just want Nintendo of Europe to localize games without Treehouse interfering…
Agreed 100%!
What the hell you’re talking about? Their localizations are great. What you’re referring to is censoring which isn’t just treehouse alone but what NoA is in general. They have always been known to censor things that Japanese games often had.
Look at other games that they localized besides Fire Emblem. They have done great jobs into translating the Mario games, Kirby games etc. The reason why Fire Emblem is often censored is because Fire Emblem has some dark moments that is begging NoA to censor them in the first place.
Why Fates did not have dual voice? Because the Japanese game is slightly dark than the one that’s localized.
So don’t blame the treehouse for the censoring. Blame the whole NoA division for doing so because they aren’t ordered by NCL to censor content so its NoA’s free will to censor it if they so wish to.
No its not it was complete garbage…
Fates and Awakening had terrible *scripts*. I don’t know that you can blame Treehouse for that. It seems like the writers have taken all of the worst elements of modern anime.
While the scripts may have been rather clunky for both, the localisation of Awakening was loads better than Fates. I wouldn’t blame the VAs, though- they did their jobs well- but rather whoever was the director for just some God-awful decisions (mentally-challenged Effie and Helium Nyx, for example). Their adaptations for some of the supports were terribly bland, too.
As for the censoring- I’m actually not really mad about that. There are cultural differences to account for, and Soleil’s support was doomed no matter what they did. The MyRoom/petting thing is pretty awkward either way.
Nah (no, not Nah)- the main appeal of Fates is really gameplay and music. The character writing was fairly weak overall, and the voicework ranges from quite decent (Azura, getting someone who could actually sing was a smart move), to just plain insulting (Effie).
On a more positive note- at least from what we’ve seen- the localisation of Heroes seems to be shaping up fairly well. The voicework is solid, anyways. The writing remains to be seen.
I lol at the treehouse remark just no….anyway I hope I don’t see any BS things and bad writing for this…
From what we got in the trailers, they seem to be doing okay. Better than Fates, anyway.
Hopefully they got rid of the poison people on their team 2 of which are mental but so far it looks alright.
Ehhhh, Treehouse is far from great. I think, their localizations were far from good. Not even “so bad it’s good” level.
You know what worse? Treehouse translations will be in every Nintendo game. Truly, sad times ahead.
”Nintendo Treehouse” is responsible for the localization of Fire Emblem Heroes, they’re pretty reliable.” lol that’s a joke right
Still can’t access it. Aus here.
Holy god the fandom went downhill
Congrats to both of you!
It’s just me or you just can’t have japanese voice with any other written language?
Even with the japanese version of the game after changing the game language to anything that is not japanese it force resetted itself to install (and change to) the english voices.
No way to change that, as far as anyone has figured out.
I should have expected this, really. Hopefully somebody will get a hacked .apk out that fixes this.
Doesn’t seem to be avaliable on the Pacific coast yet. Don’t know if that’s just my area/timezone, or if the whole of America is waiting. And does it require contant internet? I presume that it does.
Still waiting on the East Coast as well :). Yes it requires you to be constantly connected to the internet
Alright, I’ll wait. 83 Hm. I figured that it did, but my dinky phone can’t handle big games, so it’ll probably be on my tablet. But it doesn’t look like itneeds you online every hour, so it should be okay.
Download an apk to play it right now lol.
Or I could wait like a patient person. It was only a little bit until it was released, and I don’t have to worry about any hiccups.
Is it out for US yet? Link to Apple Store maybe? I only have iOS and i know it’s for Japan and UK but I rather wait for US version. Any news yet? Thanks I know I’m asking a lot I just wanna play it.
Got a 5 star Marth and a 4 star Roy on my first roll 🙂
Anyone else having trouble linking their Nintendo account to the game?
For some reason it works on my computer (linked to register and for voting), but I can’t get it to work from my phone for the game itself.
Getting error 803 3100 after playing for awhile
“Compatible with Android 4.2”
…I have an Android 4.1… Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
So wasn’t my plan to reroll my game, figured I’d just live with who I got but 3 green and 2 gray orbs. Azuma, Wrys, Gunter, Barst, and Cecilia Rank 3 all of them. All people I really couldn’t care much about. So rerolled and got 5 star Lyn so yeah call that a good trade off.
Best part is that now they’ll have to add the Heroes characters to Cipher. Maybe if Heroes gets popular enough and we can get word out, we can get them to internationalize it.
Yes, yes, I know about it being out for a year and a half now, but does that really mean I must give up hope for Cipher in English?
Is there a light version or an apk that is better for weaker phones? Because I’m a huge FE fan, I’ve been so hype for this & now I can’t even get passed the tutorial before it crashes. I don’t want to miss all these cool 1st month events. What should I do?
Not sure if it’s viable, but if you have a fairly new-ish PC or laptop, you could try looking into Bluestacks, the Android emulator. That’s what I’ve been using to play Heroes when I’m at home.
Might not be the right place for this, but something that I’ve found interesting is how tanky the healers are. I’ve actually put Lissa and Serra right on the frontlines to soak up hits. I suppose it make sense, as keeping them out of harms way would be a lot tougher with how scaled-down the maps and movement are.
One orb per map is appallingly low, though- given the cost of summoning. If you don’t want to be throwing money at them, you’d best pray for some good units and stick with them for a while.
It may be just grey units in general, since Virion (4*) is good at taking hits too.
Grey Units are outside the triangle, so it would make sense as the weapon triangle only affects damage now.
I meant simply in stats. They have remarkably good Defense as well as Resistance. Normally they’re quite fragile, but now I often use them to hold chokepoints while I set up kills for my other characters who are either too slow or too squishy to face more than one enemy at a time.
I somehow got a 5 star Robin and Jacob on the first roll…….. Someone help me I think I broke something!
Wait, it’s halved?
Only for the Training Tower, not for any special recruitment levels, normal Story Chapters, or Paralogues, but yes.
For those with a My Nintendo Account linked, you can also obtain Platinum Coins for completing chapters, which you can use on non-FEH rewards or on FEH stuff, like packs of 500 Universal Crystals/Shards, Stamina Potions, Light’s Blessings, or Dueling Crests. You can also use your normal Platinum Coins on FEH stuff, so if you have a bunch of PCs in your account that you weren’t planning on using for anything there(the selection has kind of sucked for a while now), then there’s a way to nab some free levels, Stamina, or retries without having to dig out the wallet.
Awesome very good for me!!!
Oh thank goodness.
Free stuff is always good.
Good to see that they’re not gonna be total dicks about the in-game resources.
Be nice if there were more/better ways to get freaking feathers, though. And some way to upgrade your stamina- it’s absolutely prohibitive at higher levels.
If you have a My Nintendo Account linked, you get 100 Platinum Coins after every chapter cleared, and you can buy either a Dueling Crest or a Stamina Potion for 100 PCs. That should in theory do something for you.
Fuck. Wish I knew that earlier.
I did link for the voting period on my computer, but for some reason I’m having trouble linking my account on my phone.
If you’re able to get your account linked, I think you should be able to go get the Coins even if you completed the Chapters first, but I’m not sure. Also, I don’t know if you heard, but you also get 10 Orbs free if your account is linked.
Can confirm you can get them after.
I can’t confirm, but it does say the requirements for each of those Missions is simply that the Chapter say it’s completed, so if you link after completing it would make sense for it to count. On the other hand, it IS Nintendo we’re talking about, so they may have not thought of that. If there’s anyone left who didn’t link before playing who’d be willing to check, that’d be great.
We’ll know soon whether or not feathers are easier to get. Right now we’re all in the lowest arena tier, 7th platoon. After they’re done tabulating tomorrow some of us will have moved up to a higher tier where the rewards would likely be higher.
So, after the 15th, how does a F2Per get orbs!?
They’re likely going to add new events and maps. Most mobile games do so.
If you haven’t spent them all already, I’d also suggest saving at least 20 orbs for when they add new characters.
Not surprising for the retweets being fast.
Can we have 100.000 feathers for 100.000 retweet?
Keep your fingers crossed – I believe they’ve done stuff like that in the past but aren’t certain. Either way, hope for a yes.
Don’t rely on Twitter’s translation feature too much, it can be wrong. It actually reads that you will receive a 3* character for playing the new map, which I assume will be Narcian.
Actually technically it says we have a ‘chance’ at getting a 3* character, but I assume that just means you have to win the map.
Yeah, I translated it a few different ways at first, but learned the proper translation a bit ago. The article has since been fixed. 🙂
Come on Lyn!!!
Well look like my girl won and is the highest overall!!!
Asking for a 5* one would be too much, but i feel like they could do a 3* lunatic mode on the normal ones and do 4* for special events.
I hope that something like this may happen in the future (even if it’s limited) as they continue to add new content to the game.
They should make it options like lunatic to earn 5*
Hm, how about 30k feathers for NoE, NoA and NoJ meeting the goal?
Love the analysis. Was slowing down the trailer myself trying to pick out all the little details that flashed by so quickly. Thanks to this very detailed analysis I put it all together with my thoughts in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3LnxR6eDY Check it out if you want a visual representation. Serenes <3
i haven’t gotten the email or received the 200 platinum medals. Has it not happened yet?
It’s only 2/8, it’ll happen tomorrow
I received my email yesterday
Edit: as a matter of fact I’ve had the coins since 2/1/2017. I just noticed on my account
And so it all boils down to this…
Who won? Did Ike carry his lead to the end, or did Our Boy manage to wrest the title at the last second?! THE SUSPENSE IS PRACTICALLY TANGIBLE!!!!!
Lyn and PoR Ike won
Seriously, bro? I didn’t want spoilers.
Ah, well. At least they decided to give Roy a fancy new getup too. Hey, wonder if Cipher’s going to do any Promo cards for them in their CYL gear in the future!
I hope it allows us to get a 4 star Narcian on hard mode.
I already have a few 3 star characters, and I’m only using one of them.
Lyn LITERALLY for the win!!!! and Ike fought for many friends!
So… By this we can judge that the most popular FE character is Ike, followed by Lyn… What a surprise… lol
Lyn got more votes than Ike.
Ikes votes were split between PoR and RD taking spot 1 and 5… Together… Ike got the most votes with over 51000
Doesn’t matter its barely a gap any way and officially not counted.
*disregards information saying it’s barely a gap and then says it not officially counted* sounds a lot like the presedential election haha. To each there own. But to me it’s this way. Which character got the most votes. Answer Ike (no one says Ike from Path of Radiance is the most popular character people only ever say the character)
No stop trying to hide facts also 1. There different personality, age and appearance wise 2. People prefer PoR Ike to RD Ike they are 2 version that count as 2 characters also its about both MALE and FEMALE so this doesn’t matter the results are obviously final.
They are the same character that’s the point haha. Of course people prefer por to Rs Ike. But it’s still Ike :). Alsooooo. If it doesn’t matter why argue ? :). I’m not ignoring disregarding facts. Lyn beat path of radiance ike and she beat radiant dawn Ike. Never said she didn’t. Said she didn’t beat Ike 🙂 which she didn’t. Lyn got less votes than Ike. Is that not true?
Not the point of the poll its Males and Females separately does it matter just be happy Awakening/Fates outside Lucina took a backseat.
Not your point. But my point throughout this whole thing was Ike got the most votes. Ike =most popular. Not Ike won or that it was male vs female. But agreed. Yay awakening and gates not winning
I have no idea why they decided to split him tho.
I’m trying to figure out why anyone gives a crap about whether merging the two made any difference – Ike won the Male vote no matter how they split it and had absolutely nothing to do with Lyn because they split it into Gender Lists, the only difference to the Top 20 list that would have happened had they merged individual character votes is that Marth would have beat Chrom by 774 votes, and that would only have changed the order of the calendars.
From my point of view at least. It’s this. When a company conducts a popularity test from characters etc. it’s usually used in the marketing material for following games. Ike in smash and all that. So it will be interesting to see what happens. Roy is in smash because he was “popular”. While I enjoy Ssb FE has been my favourite series for over 15 years. So while it doesn’t really matter either way. It’s interesting to see how they will market things in the future. Using the chrom and marth thing as an example. Marth technically got more votes than chrom. Wouldn’t it be interesting (it won’t happen pretty much guaranteed) if chrom was used in promotiona material such as ssb instead of Marth. Lyn instead of Ike I’m sure some people would be happy about whereas others wouldn’t care. So it matters in a way that is if it has any influence on what they choose to promote. Things like this interest me. What can I say
Ah, alright then. I would, however, like to point out that Roy’s game wasn’t actually out yet in Japan when Melee was released – he was initially put into Smash to sell his own game, he and Marth were only kept in the overseas version because Nintendo’s overseas audience took an interest in the two mysterious swordsmen. Maybe his appearance in Smash 4 is popularity-based, but that wasn’t the initial case. Not trying to nitpick, I’m just kind of particular about the details when it comes to Roy. As for Lyn’s popularity, I can’t help but wonder if SSB had anything to do with that as well, seeing as how she’s been an Assist Trophy twice, and is perhaps the one Assist Trophy people(at least FE fans I know) want as a fighter more than anyone besides Waluigi, who I’m thankful isn’t in despite completing the set because we have too many Mario characters as is. Frankly, I really didn’t care too much about CYL, I was more hoping Nintendo would use Heroes as the stepping stone to introduce Cipher to their overseas fans, beginning by adding Alphonse and Sharena into Cipher, then including Shade, Emma, Yuzu, and Lando in Heroes as a special event, and hopefully finally releasing the TCG to the rest of the world.
Yeah I know Roy’s game wasn’t out for melee. That was pure promotional material for a future release. I was referring to sm4sh. Also. Ghirahim is another assist trophy that most people wanted as a character I believe. But yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said
What happened to Dorcas? I put him in 12th place. HAHAHAHA!
Lyn has the most votes overall with the split even still alot regardless.
Ummm… no? Ike got 33,871 plus 17,864 which equals 51,555 over Lyn’s 49,917
So what? Their not counting split votes as one.
I didn’t say they were. I said Ike is the most popular character. Not Ike won the official vote. Look at the original post. And the results support that!
Ike wins with the overall votes bypassing 50,000. id say its a shame his votes were split but because of the split, Chrom managed to sneak 4th place over Marth, and Ike gets to be TWICE in the calendar.
I think the best part is Dorcas ALMOST getting on the calendar, and Eliwood beating male Corrin by earning the 19th place at the last minute, proving Elibe saga has a place in everyones hearts.
Also everyone hear? Sigurd most popular geneology character at 55th place. EVEN while obscure he got a crapton of votes. I can’t wait for his return.
Ayra is also decent at 65th, and if you sum all three Finn’s incarnations together he is around Seth level.
And ****ing ARDEN was in the TOP 100.
I love Dorcas! but seriously 12th place? (that’s great actually) I know he had like the highest HP for a low level (30 at lvl.3) and got 80% HP growth. He can easily top 60 hp without an seraph/angelic robe. Imagine him in FE10 (which you can surpass 60HP)
What the hell? How is Roy that popular if the guy is so damn boring? It should be Eliwood being there not his damn son.
I wonder if Smash somehow has to do with Ike and Roy being there in the list. I’m quite happy that Lyn made it top though as she’s my favorite lord and the same goes for Hector as well.
Smash is the main reason Roy is even on that list. Same could be said for RD Ike. Well, at least Eliwood made it into the Top 20 so there’s that.
Ghee..Thanks Masahiro Sakurai for advertising a boring character instead of a well thought out character.
Well it could’ve been Leif would that have been better for you?
May I point out that at least some of Lyn’s popularity comes from her inclusion in Smash as an Assist Trophy? Or that there are people who believe Lyn is a boring character and are just as pissed about her as you are about Roy? So Roy is more popular than Eliwood – I understand why, and I understand why you’re bugged about it, but it could honestly be worse.
I don’t see how Lyn is a boring character except in Lyn’s mode. Lyn makes a whole lot more sense to win that vote because she’s memorable and fun to use unlike Roy who’s absolute crap.
I don’t pretend to understand it either, I love Lyn and I’m happy that she won, even though I personally would have chosen someone far more obscure, such as Limstella(how on earth they planned to make that make sense considering Limstella is officially genderless is beyond me) or Idunn, but the fact is that some people do consider Lyn a boring character and those people probably aren’t pleased she won, most likely citing her Assist Trophy status in Smash as ‘the only reason she won’ which sounds ridiculous to me.
Well a little surprised by the results but there still good. My choice Jill got 175 (PoR) and 183 (RD) overall which stinks a little but out of 791 entrants its not terrible so I wont complain……to loudly. Am happy to see Mia and Nephenee up there though.
I know that feel bro 🙁 But hey at least PoR Ike won.
After combining his total the Black Knight has 11683 votes, that’s pretty cool.
Male list: Well, expected and it’s nice to see Eliwood make it into the Top 20.
Female list: Bleh, at least Nino went up by one.
If we do end up getting the winners as units I’ll most likely send Lyn home for some feathers.
Lyn has two insane attack skills. Astra does 150% bonus damage, and she’s the only one besides Cordelia to get Galeforce.
Not as broken as Takumi and Hector with their counter skills, but still.
I’d expect those characters to get nerfed at some point. The Astra skill as well. She’ll still get sent home all the same.
Which characters are you talking about, though?
Because most of those characters are already in. Going through the lists, there’s only about 5 from either one that aren’t (I’m counting both Ikes as one).
I thought I didn’t have to point it out: Lyn, Takumi, Hector and their “OP” skills. Clogging the arena with those isn’t fun at all especially if it’s for someone who didn’t pull any of those 3 characters.
Sorry, I should have clarified that I was asking in relation to your initial comment; “If we do end up getting the winners as units I’ll most likely send Lyn home”.
Save for Ike, we do have the winners as units- so I was curious who you may be referring to.
Unless you meant you specifically getting those characters, in which your usage of the word “we” instead of “I” threw me off your meaning. Shared account?
Yes, I’ll definitely send Lyn home and Ike’s fate depends on his design. I already have a 5* Lucina so I don’t feel a need to have a second one while Roy would stay unless I get one form the gacha and that’s because I want to reunite him with both Eliwood and Ninian later down the line.
Tharja, Henry, and Nowi are the highest non-lord/main characters. Interesting.
Really liking the overall Tellius representation and both Ephraim and Eirika making it to the calendar rankings.
Utterly stunned at Dorcas’ placement.
I voted Ilyana the entire time and she’s made it to 150th/160th! That’s an ok result I think.
I’ll ask this once: Who is the dunce who got Arden into the top 100?
What trash results. Not even surprised no one I voted for made it onto this list, but it was completely predictable which characters would’ve won in the first place.
lmao tharja give me a break
It’s simple mathematics.
The newbies only have two games to pick from, whereas us veterans had to pick from the entire series.
Of course Awakening and Fates characters were going to have a higher concentration of votes. Not to mention the fact that many of us also like some of the characters from those two games.
Yeah, as I said, it makes sense. But that alone doesn’t mean I relish it.
Popularity contests in general is not really something that matters a lot to me, since they’re always prone to a massive amount of bias. I’m in this for the strategy, anyway. But it’s still disappointing to see what is happening to this series.
What do you mean?? I am also an old hardcore Fire emblem fan but i am loving the direction the series are taking… Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates deserve a lot of the credit as 3DS hits but we must not forget that it all started with Super Smash Bros melee and Fire Emblem Blazing Sword !!! Hope someday Genealogy of Holy War and Trachia receives the same treatment from Fire Emblem gaiden!!!
I think he means that we’ve started calling it “Waifu Emblem” among other things – there did seem to be a bit more focus on the marriage part of the game than perhaps was necessary. On the other hand, I would point out that “Waifu Emblem 1” AKA Awakening is what kept the series from suffering the fate of Metroid – no real releases, every now and then something thrown out to shut the outcry up for two days, etc.
Ohhh i get it now… If i am not wrong marriage first appeared in Fire emblem Genealogy of Holy War. Even in Awakening always thought the marriage and children only as more strategical/skills heritance than the Waifu part. And joining some unconventional couples was fun! Not much big deal!! The series continues as strategic and rewardfull as ever!
First off, ‘rewardfull’ isn’t a word – you’re looking for ‘rewarding’. I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, I just…may be something of a word Nazi.
Second, not everyone can always appreciate the strategy part of the Child characters without feeling a little dating sim-ed – I had one or two such moments in Awakening and Fates, so maybe it’s not a big deal to you or me, but there are players who will have issues with that, just like there will always be Pokemon players who will complain about literally any and all new Pokemon because ‘Gen 1 was the only TRUE Pokemon’. The sheer amount of fan art for Awakening and Fates certainly hasn’t helped either, so blowing it off like that – and I’m assuming you aren’t trying to blow it off, but ‘your concern is not a big deal’ may sound that way to some people – doesn’t generally help.
Also, you’re correct, Genealogy was the first with marriage, but most people don’t count it because it’s never been legally released to 90% of the world.
*spoilers* Also I think the big key difference between Genealogy and Fates is that the children were literally completely crucial to the story. I will admit Lucina played a role in Awakening… But the other children had virtually no role in it unless your counting Future Past. I think the other large difference is the writing in the games.
Genealogy: You play as a character for a few chapters who is then murdered…. In the years coming his son avenges him etc etc.
Awakening: These children come from a future that was destroyed and have come back to change the past….. Hmm yeah personally I am not a fan of “people coming from he future” as a plot device, it feels cheap. All the children are aged conveniently just so you can marry them… SIIIIIIGH
Fates: Deeprealms…. Absolutely atrocious plot device. Just… far too free. Like seriously. All children are literally useless to the plot completely (again barring DLC) Oh and hey look once again…. all the children are aged where you can marry them… SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHH.
Don’t get me started on the storytelling of the new games….
Ops my bad … Sorry about that! English is not my native language and my cellphone auto correction is making mistakes!! And not a problem i really appreciate your intent!!!! I really respect others opinion and think its right… Just wanted to point out that despite Awakening having Massive fan service it evolves the combat with dual combat and others features. Yeah it is a shame that Fire Emblem 4 and 5 don t have Western releases… Not everyone can have it or understand japanese. But i hope it will change in the future as it will happen with Fire emblem gaiden!
Chances are that you are more open to change than I am, either that or you aren’t as into the series as I’ve been. Awakening is a terrible FE game, it’s been proven time and time again, and my stance on that won’t change. The fans have been split into two at this point, and that’s even more evident when looking at the two versions of Fates.
The game is just really casual and has no real depth do it other than the shipping aspect, which even then is quite bare-bones. It doesn’t give me a feeling of FE.
First I’d like to see how Valentia turns out before asking for FE4&5. If they’re going to add in a casual mode and more useless shipping (because that’s effectively what it is), you can count me out.
Fire Emblem is my favourite series… Played All the games more than once except Fire Emblem Gaiden… Fire Emblem 4 is the Best of all, Fire Emblem PoR is my favourite. Fire Emblem Awakening can have a lot of defects but is not casual by Any means… assuming you are playing on lunatic or above and in Classic mode! I think i am a little more open to changes than you do… But its alright! Just happy Fire Emblem is gaining attention it deserves. After Radiant Dawn i thought FE would vanish like it happened with some of Nintendo franchises.
Always nice to see a fellow fan. I, too, have played through each title quite a few times each. Sacred Stones was my first and I’ve played it for more than 1.5k hours in total. But here’s the thing, I still think SS is a pretty bad FE game, even though I personally enjoy it for what it is. It’s not very challenging, it gives you the ability to grind endlessly, and you can easily solo the game with Seth if you’d like.
This exact problem is present in Awakening too. I started on Lunatic, but after seeing that the enemies are only strong due to their inflated stats rather than making use of the maps and other strategic points (similar to Shadow Dragon’s 3-5* HM’s), I backed down to Hard so I could enjoy a more balanced game and not Frederick Emblem. However, in Hard, you can literally just pair up Chrom and Robin and solo through the entire game with just those two units. Add in the ability to grind endlessly, something I feel doesn’t belong in Fire Emblem, and you have a pretty bad game on your hands.
It makes me sad because a lot of new people are only interested in FE because of the dating sim aspect. Just go to r/fireemblem and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Full of people shitposting, coming up with characters to ship together, and general nonsense that is simply not what Fire Emblem used to be. Almost no talk about the strategic depths of the games and things that I do enjoy.
So yeah, I’m quite salty at what the fandom has turned into, but that’s just me I guess.
No not at all!!! You are right and you are not alone!!! It is good to be concerned about the future… Good or bad it is a Nintendo move try to pleases everyone with its franchises… I guess just the sales from old/hardcore fans was not enough…
And What you said about some pokemon fans is right but i have a feeling it happens with all old franchises: Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Paper Mario, Zelda… i could go on all the day. Today is more easy for the new IPs to please everyone than the older ones…
What was the placement of Xander and Inigo?
Xander: 42
Inigo: 63
Congratulations, Lyn and Ike! I’m glad I voted for both of them.
I hope there’s something similarly awesome for us humble westerners…
I think POW is all your stat (excluded MOV) + HP (I’m not sure but I used a calculator). Also I remark there is no MAG or STR, just ATK. (like in Fire Emblem Gaiden or the GBA one). oh and thanks for this site Vincent! (I check out this website since Radiant Dawn when I need information!).
いかづちのけん and いかづちの剣 are the same thing.
On the NES/Famicom, it generally wasn’t feasible to use kanji, so games typically used hiragana in its place. However, nowadays, there’s no excuse and kanji is more friendly to read.
That’s also why Alm’s class (Senshi/Fighter) is written in kanji and not hiragana.
Very interesting that the stats are similar/identical though.
I’m still a beginner at japanese but I know ken is sword/blade but 剣 is けん (google translate help me ahaha).
I remark there is a sword after the name of the class (similar to Gaiden, which demonstrate it too?).
now i’m worried with what kind of reception the game could have thanks to stupid media focus of what makes fire emblem a fire emblem
Haven’t seen any of that tbh. What do they say?
Me too. I honestly think that this might not sell as well as expected from Nintendo.
What timing too…if only they removed marriage in Fates….
Movies as in, the in game cinematics?
So like would there be anyway for me to get this? living in the US? Highly doubt America is getting something like this
Easy enough on paper – convince someone in Japan to get it and send it to you.
I actually tried this maybe playasia will resell some >.>
If you have okay understanding of Japanese use forwarding service eg Tenso or Big In Japan (I use this). Fill in the address of the forwardee and they will ship it to you once they receive the items.
Gonzalez made top 20 for Binding Blade characters.
Nice.
How awesome would it be if he became one of the next Focus characters.
Ok…that HD movie alone sounds like they can easily port RD and PoR to Switch….
Gotta wait till someone extracts the HD collection!
Too bad Path of Radiance isn’t included in the HD collection.
I’m happy Hector got 3rd for males, and in general that the Top 20 on both sides wasn’t entirely made up of Awakening, Fates, and playable Smash characters. I am a bit annoyed about the vote splitting, though, seeing as Tellius characters would’ve done better if that wasn’t the case. Neph would’ve come in 10th and Mia 11th on the female side, Black Knight 12th male (or 13th if Ike didn’t also get combined), and Soren 15th male. Also, combining FE7 and FE6 Eliwood would’ve put him above Niles (Hector still wouldn’t have beaten Roy, though)
That said, I will also say, this shows how much influence the western fanbase really has, since until you reach Sigurd, everyone but Roy was from a game that actually came out over here. (And Roy was in Smash, so…)
Hooray for Genealogy cards. I’m still waiting for Laylea! Too bad substitutes are probably low on the totem pole.
Wait, why is Chrom the Risen King?
It’s part of the special plot for this particular series. They envision an alternate timeline where Chrom fails and is turned into a King of the Risen by Grima. Likely it will dovetail somewhat with events as they’re presented in the Future Past DLC chapters.
Don’t give a wyvern’s plop about 13 and 14’s cutscenes, but HD CUTSCENES FROM RADIANT DAWN? I NEEEEEEEEEED THIS!
I need to save up my orbs.
Aaaargh, and I STILL don’t have Marth and I’m running out of Orbs for the game to give me. I guess I can keep rolling red, though, since he and Eirika are both red units, but I don’t like the odds going down.
“It’s hard to tell from this single screenshot, but we imagine the game’s English translation will be high-quality as usual.”
Please no. You’re giving me Fates flashbacks.
Sorry, I’m only speaking of the quality of the content that we got. I know it sucks that content was cut, but what we did get was great. Or at least as good as it could get since the original Japanese script wasn’t exactly a work of art : P
It’s not the cut content that bothers me. I’m also aware how the JP script wasn’t a work of art. I just find it hard not to partially blame NoA for the constant cringes I get whenever I’m reading the dialogue or the support conversations.
*CougheverythingElliesaysinEnglishCough*
I remember a lot of adaptations that changed the characters completely (like Niles or Effie) and I can’t call that good translation :/ I know it only from other people, though, can’t estimate that myself.
Yeah, please just stop saying it was the “greatest”. When it comes to localization, lately the news from this site seems to praise NoA and Treehouse work on the games. Some things were great, some were not. Just stop “praising” it.
Hmm, I didn’t find particular issue w/ the Fates translation; care to provide an example w/ Jpn vs. Eng text?
I actually found most English release FE’s to have dialogue that reads decently, though I can’t speak to how well each is translated since I don’t know Japanese =O
It wasn’t exactly how it read, but the content. Honestly, the other FE games were fine. I can’t speak for the accuracy, because these sound like disgruntled fans, but their translation doesn’t make the english sound that great….
http://imgur.com/gallery/X2w49
ah i see, that saizoxberuka convo’s definitely an egregious example – though it seems more to be an issue of censorship than of translation; willing to bet the censors were behind blanking out that convo considering the heavy topic [which is a real shame, since i’m willing to bet the vast majority of fates’ audience is older than ~13, and woulda appreciated seeing it]; however, it’s equally unfortunate there wasn’t some way for the localizers to come up w/ another convo to replace that one, rather than “…”
I don’t really think that was a censorship issue. I think it was likely a joke in poor taste, poking fun at the two quiet types in the game.
I mean, Saizo and Beruka’s less than glamorous lives are kept fully in other supports.
I would say it’s really just disgruntled fans…like overly disgruntled with freakishly high standards and zero tolerance for this kind of stuff. Because the Leo x Xander example is just….ugh….who cares? In the end who really cares except them? The change in their speaking tone literally did not break anything from the game. The Saizo x Beruka C-support was just a really poor joke done on the translators part. But to be frank, I would take silence over having 2 characters just state their jobs. Because that C-support was so boring. It’s not the whole “Oh they don’t like to talk a lot” nope, it was literally just 2 characters meeting each other and bluntly saying their jobs. I’m not even going to bother touching on the Soleli thing. Her very character existence/personality needed a major change. Her personality is more understood over in Japan considering the whole “Harmless experimentation of youth” thing they have going on but in America we just call that being a gay-tease.
Like I know it sucked that some of the things that were removed and changed, and that some of the supports in the American version were more cringy, but these people are literally only using the same mundane examples that have literally have not much of a significance in the game. It’s people demanding for perfection, which perfection is impossible when the original product wasn’t even that good *coughs* Not like Fates story was even that good to begin with
I suspect these will be new focus characters after the current rotation ends. Here’s hoping they add more chapters for more orb opportunities. I’ve only got 3 chapters left and I still need to finish the castle XP upgrades.
Why would you assume the magic is draining her HP just because she was damaged while fighting an enemy? Wouldn’t the natural assumption be that… y’know… a DIFFERENT enemy already damaged her?
Wait, I missed the “4” being the HP drain… woops.
Well, that really sucks. I hate bringing back dated mechanics for “authenticity” or whatever. The point of a remake is to *improve* upon the game, now that they have the technology to do so and they’ve outgrown Early Installment Weirdness. If the point was to make it just like the original you might as well just play the original.
Having fixed hit rates is annoying, too. The skill stat is there for a reason…
It goes both ways. If the hit rate is fixed, that means it won’t go down for you either. So you just take advantage of that.
“Draining your HP” isn’t exactly a dated mechanic. It’s just different. That mechanic isn’t even related to old or new technology, but was a design choice. If it has purpose in the old game, I think it should transfer to the new game.
I’m questioning how much “purpose” it had, though, or if they were just trying it out to see how it worked. Considering the whole “all spells are Cast From Hit Points” was only used in the second game, you’d think that they decided it wasn’t good. That’s what I mean by “dated” in this context… it was an old mechanic that was abandoned for not being that good (especially considering how squishy mages usually are, it seems crazy that they’re the ones whose HP are getting drained just by attacking.)
But then, if there’s a story reason for it (apparently they just… don’t have tomes on the continent of Valentia or something??), I would understand why they would keep it.
It’s not just a mechanics thing, it’s very important to the Fire Emblem lore IMO.
Back in the NES/SNES era, it was stated that magic tomes and staves are tools used to alleviate the stress on spell-casters. However in Gaiden, they don’t have tomes or staves and thus must use their full body to cast magic–hence the HP reduction.
This is echoed in Radiant Dawn when Micaiah uses her healing powers (the Sacrifice skill) without the aid of staff.
That said, I won’t disagree that combining lore and gameplay mechanics isn’t always the best choice. Also, in Echoes the spell icon looks like a magic tome (despite the user not holding a tome), which makes my head hurt.
They… they what?
WHY DIDN’T THEY HAVE TOMES
The more I see and hear of this game, the more excited I get. It’s quite a departure from the way Fates and Awakening look, right down to the GUI and the font they used. It really gives weight to the idea that this game is a visit to the long-forgotten past, and yet it’s slick as hell. I am a little worried about the absence of certain classic Fire Emblem mechanics, but at the same time all the differences will encourage change in strategy and in gameplay to make things new.
I hope this sells like hotcakes and comes out on the same day as Japan.
This looks super weird and interesting, I like it!
What about Amelia?
I’m more interested in Saber’s screenshot. Does this show that the conversations will be more character-to-player (a good example would be like Phoenix Wright), completely forgoing the 1-on-1 convo seen in Awakening, or the group conversations in the FE7-10?
the character models look nice int he battle scene
Glad to see they are keeping key mechanics from the original. Hopefully some of the mechanics don’t turn off newer players due to how different they are from the recent games. Let’s just hope the game sells well so Nintendo will be incentivized to ”remaster” other older games from the series like Genealogy/Thracia, Binding/Blazing/Sacred and the Tellius ones.
I’m almost certain if this does well, Binding Blade has to be next Roy at least I’d assume so. Would really love Genealogy next but I think Binding next would be a smart move especially since Roy doesn’t have a game out in the West in English ;~:.
On the subject of echoes really happy they are trying to stay true to the original. HP costs for spells staying in totally was a shock to me.
I’d be kind of interested to see what Nintendo/IS would do for a Genealogy remake, but yeah Binding Blade would be awesome especially since they would be able to fix all the issues that game had. Yeah kind of surprised they are staying so true to the original game here, will definitely make the cranky outspoken elitists happy at least.
Some observations:
1) Alphonse, Sharena, Veronica, and El Dark Summoner Guy will get Cipher cards, so yay for that. I’m calling Cost 1 Anna for the final advent of the 100-Anna-Deck – 100 Anna cards with Anna as Main Character.
2) Matsushita’s announcements may or may not be setting up for Shade/Emma/Yuzu/Lando to be featured in Heroes. If this occurs, I’m calling it as a test to see if they can build interest in Cipher for a worldwide release as they’ll pretty much have to release any of the above four they choose to add to the entire world. This is not likely, but as nobody has officially stated they do not intend to internationalize Cipher it cannot be discarded as impossible just yet. For now, let’s hope and pray for the Cipher characters to come to Heroes, even if it doesn’t lead to worldwide Cipher – let’s be honest, we all want to know what the official voices for those four would be.
3) Fire Emblem Warriors, like Hyrule Warriors before it, will almost undoubtedly contain exclusive characters, as the only other option is special Cipher cards featuring Units wielding different weapons or in different outfits than normal, and they can just Promo those kinds of things. I’m tentatively suggesting a separate Color for Warriors cards, meaning Lords like Marth, Chrom, Lucina, etc. will then be available in two or more Colors.
4) They pretty much skipped over Thracia’s upcoming inclusion in Cipher. Because of this, I’m calling Thracia cards as more Yellow cards instead of getting their own Color, using Finn’s cards as evidence – he specifically states he buffs Leif, and most cards don’t specifically buff cards of other Colors outside of Black/White.
I admire your optimism in thinking that we might still get an English Cipher release. 😛
And, yeah, Thracia is practically confirmed for Yellow. There’s no reason at all for it to have another colour. More interesting will be if Gaiden and/or SS get unique colours. I’m hoping they do, though there are some reasons as to why they may not, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
I’m fairly positive that both will get unique Colors, though one of the guys I play Cipher with suggested that Gaiden cards may be Red like Archanean cards. Not certain why SS wouldn’t get its own color, but hey, maybe. As for Worldwide Cipher, a lot of people whine about it already being out for a year and a half, but look at Yu-Gi-Oh! – stuff gets released to the OCG MONTHS before we even get hints of getting it ourselves.
People think SS may not get its own colour mostly for meta/gameplay reasons. It’s a single game continent that has a very small cast of characters, so it would be hard to maintain support for a new colour just for it.
Personally, I’m not convinced that’s a strong enough reason myself, but I’m anxious to learn the truth either way. 🙂
Shit. I still need a Lucina and I only have the stamina-killing Lunatic chapters to get more orbs for just one more round of summoning.
Wish there was an option to trade in characters of equivalent star value. I don’t see myself using Roy very often.
Also- although I don’t know Genealogy- the artwork for those two and the twins is fucking top-notch. Eirika and Epraim are some damned fancy mofos, here.
I already got Narcian on Normal, because I’m NOT risking my stamina into getting him on Hard. None of my units are powerful enough to get him! Hell, even my 5 star Marth and my 5 star Tharja are not enough!
Well, it looks like the current banner is gonna end up soon, and I only got my 5-star Marth, nobody else, because half of my units are not the ones I hoped for, and they’re all 3-star units! So, I might as well say goodbye to Young Tiki, Roy, Lyn, Robin, Lucina, Takumi, and Camilla, they’ll never be seen again. …This isn’t fair, half of my units suck! Lucky bastards having these special units before me!
If Heroes is gonna be like other mobile games, they’re probably gonna cycle through some characters later on.
Do not give up hope.
awesome 😀
Oh. My. Gosh! I love the Exalt Chrom card! <3
I do hope that they add some more Female Robin in the new deck. I bet Grima will be in it (I'll be surprised if he isn't, actually).
:’)
Good for us. Consider the original Gaiden is the first FE game that lot of old Chinese FE fans had played back in the days.
Seeing the childhood scene between Alm and Celica makes me excited seeing it blossom into love and eventually their marriage!
it was pretty funny to hear yamagami speak mandarin and cantonese
Nintendo still giving no hints if a special edition is heading to NA 🙁
Even Japan is acknowledging the power of China in recent years. I always thought that Japanese really hate Chinese for multitude of reasons. Japan’s gonna make more money nearby than in the gaijin land as China becoming more important than USA.
I don’t think it has much to do with Japan’s views on China so much as it is China’s own laws and the like and what the government actually *officially* allows into the country. A lot of stuff that would commonplace or people wouldn’t even think twice about being on the market is something that’s banned within China, usually foreign media. Video games is something that they comparatively recently relaxed a lot of restrictions on, hence why Sun and Moon were the first *official* Chinese Pokemon games
Sometimes game company don’t need to care some laws in China, they can just simply add Chinese(Whatever Traditional or Simplify Chinese) as a language in their game. Like Pokemon Sun & Moon, I bought the US version and still can change the language to Chinese.
But I don’t know why this time they don’t put all language in their Fire emblem Echoes. I bought it today because I heard they bring out Chinese, but the US version don’t have Chinese to chose. Only Hong Kong version has Chinese, weird.
When I read new series, I thought IS was talking about making a new series besides Fire Emblem. Probably similar gameplay but a new thing itself. Like a spacey version of Fire Emblem could be cool.
This is great news. China will add to the worldwide sales so we may get more Echoes titles!
Considering how influential Gaiden was in China back in the NES days, this just makes perfect sense. Yes, Gaiden is the first FE game many Chinese played, albeit thanks to a well circulated bootleg cartridge with Chinese translation. I’m still playing the NA version myself though, as I only have a NA 3DS, but I’m buying this Chinese nonetheless as well just to show my support. Anyway, kudos Nintendo; this is a good move.
Looks like my Mondays just became more exciting! Monday reward grind in the Training Tower here I come!
what is the rewards for monday? feathers?
Not sure. But in the image, Nintendo is going to add some kind of reward for Monday training. So, that is always a good thing.
Its a good update, but I hope in the future they will include more feathers as a bonus, gift or use orbs for feathers.
thats wat im hoping monday will be. not asking for alot, maybe 1-5 feathers for 1st stratum and 10-50 for 10th?
I hope theres a better way to get orbs while the story helps a lot for initial I have 2 maps left on lunatic that im grinding my Hector and Takumi up for but then outside of the 2 free I’m out of a way to get free orbs
Sweet, was just grinding my lower level characters up. It’s not too bad till you hit the 20’s.
The speaker needs to learn how to speak Chinese properly, this is just embarrassing. The tones are missing and he needs to speak at least 3 times faster.
Finally got all 4 of them!
how much did it cost tho? I spent 100 bucks and only got 2 of them one in my 2ed summon and literally my final summon D:
WHAT?! You got 4 special characters?! …Lucky bastard!
Aww yeah, I love Nao Touyama.
…Now all we need is DUAL AUDIO.
English audio only.
Link?
No, Link’s not in the game
Not funny.
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/02/14/fire-emblem-echoes-will-available-english-voiceover/
Danm, that sucks.
Why do people keep on asking for this? Only one out of four FE games with voice acting had this feature. It’s not the norm.
Because it’s basically standard for ANY eastern RPG. Nintendo is the one who isn’t the norm here.
I had hoped they had learned after Fates, but I guess not.
Oops replied to wrong comment
But it should be the norm.
Sorry, but after Fates and Heroes i can’t be bothered with FE dubs.
Because its OPTIONAL
Xenoblade, Persona 5, all the spike chunsoft games, steins gate, bravely default, Valkyria chronicles, and basically every Vita game are some just off the top of my head.
There are only 2 actual reasons not to include dual audio: licencing fees, or that you changed the script so much it no longer works, as I’ve heard may have been what happened to Fates. Any other reason is just stupid.
Here, finally replied to the right comment
Licensing fees are hardly an issue, even tiny companies like IFI and XSEED can pay licensing for big-name actresses like Asami Imai. For her singing parts as well, no less. By comparison NoA should have no issue with that.
The latter is a possibility, I’m playing through an undubbed version of Fates right now and it’s unbelievably jarring to hear soft-spoken JP Elfie’s voice while reading the roid-rage text NoA put over her. But even that is really stupid, since all you’re doing is hiding your own incompetence by removing a feature that most people want.
Most people don’t give a damn about dual audio; it’s the vocal minority that cares, who have been shown to throw fits when they don’t get what they want.
And ironically, the one FE game that had dual audio was the one that made the most text changes: Awakening. Fates honestly isn’t half as bad as it.
Also, thanks for confirming that you hacked your 3DS. Why you would go to such lengths is astounding.
I shouldn’t reply to such obvious bait, but since this is actually an important and interesting conversation that deserves dialogue, consider this more to shed light on the situation rather than argue with you:
Dual audio is hardly a major point of contention; while you will find plenty of people who don’t care about it, the fact remains that dual audio is always the superior option. With dual audio, those who prefer English dubs will have them, and those who prefer the original Japanese audio can fall back on that if the English dub isn’t appealing to them. I’ll use an analogy here: sometimes after work, I stop by Five Guys. It’s a burger joint, in case you’ve never heard of it. They serve three very simple food items: burgers, hot dogs, and fries (also grilled cheeses and other sandwiches, but they’re basically just burgers without the meat patties). I never get hot dogs there, since I’m not fond of hot dogs in general. But plenty of people DO like them. If they took their hot dogs off their menu, it wouldn’t impact me in the slightest way, but the people who enjoyed them would naturally be quite disappointed. And they too are a minority; most people there just order burgers. But my point here is that even though I personally was unaffected by the removal of that option, the fact remains that others will now be missing out on something they enjoy, and the last thing I would do in that situation is tell them that it doesn’t matter since I never liked the hot dogs.
The term “vocal minority” is a fallacy used to discredit an argument by no logical means. Dual audio is best for the game and the fans, and I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t welcome it. To elaborate on this, I’ll point out a PS3 game called Atelier Ayesha. The Atelier series is made by the (amazing) game developer Gust, who was bought out by Koei Tecmo some time shortly before Atelier Ayesha’s release. Earlier games were localized by NIS America who always kept dual audio in, but after KT bought Gust they decided that KT America would be doing the localizations from that point on. During localization, they cut out the Japanese audio. Naturally, fans were disappointed and voiced their concerns (Atelier dubs have always been notoriously subpar, though luckily Ayesha’s was actually pretty good). KT America replied stating that they were unaware that it was a feature that the fans cared so much about, and promised that future games would retain JP audio during localization along with any English dubs. And naturally, when the next game in the series came out (Escha & Logy), it had dual audio, just as promised. And when Atelier Ayesha was later ported to the Vita as Atelier Ayesha Plus, they re-inserted the JP audio back into it. But the main thing to note here is that during all this, there was no huge controversy, no argument, just simple conversation between the publishers and the consumers about what they think is important in game localization. KT America’s localization quality may be inconsistent at most times, but I’ll always offer them praise for their communication with their fans.
Now, contrary to that, with NoA things have been much less understandable. NoA and Treehouse make no effort to even reply to the fans’ comments about dual audio. They can’t be completely unaware, and it’s unlikely that they are unable to put dual audio in games (after all, 8-4 did that just fine with Awakening), so the assumption is that they are simply unwilling to do so. And like everything else with NoA, they don’t offer any sort of explanation or transparency. Dual audio is more or less standard in localization nowadays, except in Nintendo’s case, and they make no effort to embrace it or even explain why they won’t. And THIS is what causes ire among fans; dual audio is easy, desired, and all-around a plus for the game, and they won’t even acknowledge it. When you have situations like Fates where replacement dub is very poor, that exacerbates the issue further.
And while I’m aware that 8-4’s localization of Awakening was far from perfect, they at least deserve praise for having both the original JP audio and a relatively high-quality English dub in the game. Lots of great voice work, Matthew Mercer and Laura Bailey (Chrom and Lucina) in particular knocked it out of the park with their performances.
Hu, Xenoblade is Nintendo, same bullshit. Persona it’s pissing of people as much as it does for FE. Spike games are shit and they are closer to indie dev than anything, IS is not . Bravely default had dual audio, Valkyria as well, Pretty decent amount of “vita games” as well.
And they added it for Persona 5 because of fans.
I resent that statement about spike chunsoft: 999 and VLR were phenomenal.
“IS”?
I remember Valkyria Chronicles and Bravely Default do have dual audios. The only game on top of my head that doesn’t have dual audio is Yakuza, because fans hate the original English voice acting.
It would also have been prohobitively expensive for an english dub of Yakuza 2-5. As Y5 only got a release after it was officially declared dead and gone because of minor sales I actually prefer dual audio or even japanese audio only – they may get some minor/niche games over because the VO dubbing expenses can be cut out and the localization would be cheaper-> less needed sold copies to break even or turn a profit.
I am a non-native english speaker but have a pretty good command and comprehension of the spoken language so I don’t have a problem with that. I DO however have a problem with the way dubbing is done and the choice of Voice Actors outside of Japan. The German and English translation of lots of Games and Animes, OAVs and Movies are simply atrocious.
Also diversity…Skyrim had what? 60 People doing VO for NPC chatter? In comparison the German had 6? If anything is more immersionbreaking than that at all I would gladly eat my hat.
Iirc, the reason dual audio isn’t in Fates is due to an issue with the company the VA of Aqua/Azura in the Japanese version works with. I assume they will have dual audio in Echos.
there is a dual audio?
everytime I see Celica’s design I wanna cry it’s soooooo goooodddd
Same, there’s no detail about her costume I don’t like.
Amusingly, even though her dress is pretty sexy, she STILL manages to show less skin than her original design.
I often think about what I would put in a fire emblem game of I got to make one. I usually say dungeon exploration with battles inside, the ability to mitigate bullshit by being able to bring back a limited number of characters, simplified skill system. Apparently they did all of this 25 years ago.
Of course, the day after my units hit lvl 40.
Chrom looks like a real prince!
Did they reveal Lachke’s already? Because she’s on the pack picture.
Still waiting for the substitutes (just Laylea let’s be real)
We’ve only seen her art so far, not the card itself.
Didn’t expect this at all but neat!
when will the boys get figures…
Goddammit, I can’t summon these four new characters! They are all hard to get, and I keep summoning the same damn characters! WHAT THE HELL?! If I don’t get those 4 new heroes soon, then I’ll never see them again! DAMMIT!
Looks neat, but I wonder if they are going to release a Ryoma/Xander or Azura nendoroid?
Sword mastery 7-3 lunatic. There is a spear heavy there where I can’t do damage against what to do?
Get a unit with armor slayer. If you don’t have one, I don’t think you can survive lol.
I have forgotten her name but it’s the blue chick on a pegasus she got it but everything is want to fight it it shows 0x2 damage and I know I unlocked her skills.
Her name is Caeda ^.^
Yes,thank you. I believe she has the normal attack that is effective against armored units right? But it won’t do any harm. The other units are easily taken care of but this one is tricky.
I ended up using my 5* Lucina and slowly kill that knight and taking advantage of her Falchion’s healing properties and only attack him when I had enough HP to survive the lance attack.
Tried that too but I she dies most of the time XP I’ve got it covered. Hana took care of him already.
I’ve got Hana and Caeda both lvl 40 ☆4. They both have armor slayer. It’s a Blue Lance unit so it is not that advantageous to have team of red sword users and on top of that it’s an armored unit. I don’t know if it’s a mistake on the developers side or if i am doing this wrong 🙁
Well you can always yolo and have Olivia dance them to attack again if they can live one hit.
This game keeps getting better and better!
Since the game hasn’t blessed me with a good Axe user, I’m doomed for the axe quest, also the Lunatic quest too haha
You could probably train up Anna a bit more just to get the Orb rewards at least. I like that they made the 2 Orb quests the easiest to complete, since everybody wants more Orbs. :p
Yeah that’s what I did… But in the end, who carried the team was a 3 stars Cherche haha. I want to train Anna, and make her a 4 stars, but for now… I’m saving my feathers for another character xd
Cecillia is obtainable on the special maps again
Cleared all but axe 7th stratum and lunatic lol all my axe users r4* or lower and only lv 20
Can you get tome users in your party as long as they’re the correct color or does it strictly have to be the weapon?
Weapon only, but you don’t have to have a full team.
CHIBI SAKURA FIGURE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
…that picture looks a little weird, though…
Bah, more Awakening fanservice. When will intelligent systems go back to the grand holiness that is genealogy of the holy war and tharcia 776? Ever since Binding Blade, Fire Emblem has been gutted and castrated beyond recognition and a this game looks to be another terrible outing.
agreed. fuck fanservice
But like the above said, what fan service?
Uh, What fanservice?
Please be a troll
I’m not so convinced by the cover art though. Definitely need Loomis.
Jeez, that cover is really bad
I like this, but who drew Olivia with dark skin? I’m fairly positive that’s never been in the game.
It seems like a common thing among some western fanartists to change the skin color and body size of some fictional characters.
The banner was data mined about a week ago. I hope she is as good as her other gender green is only cookout I lack good units. My Nino and fae r both -atk
Yes, this certainly does give credence to the datamined stuff being next. I guess that means we can look forward to the awkward Hawkeye, Maria, Adult Tiki, and Fir focus group.
God i hope that was a placeholder.
No offence, but that cover art is just downright terrible.
It’s confirmed that she has Rexcalibur and Rising Wind as a 4* from the 4-5 Lunatic map. I’m assuming that she will be the first playable unit with Rexcalibur+ and Blazing Wind but this is all speculation.
I wonder if this one will be as tough as the Narcian map >.>
I just beat hard mode… Its pretty interesting. With a poor team you wont get far. High resistance is key.
Well, I got a 2-Star Female Robin, but good God, my 2-Star Female Robin is weak! I wanted a 3 Star Female Robin, but no, no no no no no, I would NOT dare face her on Hard mode, I hate it when the enemies try to outsmart me when I move my Units first after their first Enemy Phase! So, much like the Hard Narcian battle, I am NOT risking it to get a 3-Star Female Robin! GODDAMMIT, if only I have Eirika, Ephraim, Seliph, and Julia! IT’S NOT FAIR!!
Also, why bother with these other four new Focus heroes?! I wouldn’t be able to get those heroes anyway, as the deadline is too short!
Pick the 4 new focus heroes as a suggestion: they would be able to beat easily the Hard Robin battle.
Well, I can’t get all 4 new focus heroes, because I keep getting those same and useless characters over and over again! And worse?! I don’t have any money to buy these God forsaken orbs! WHY?! WHY DO I KEEP GETTING USELESS CHARACTERS?!
Camilla at lv 40 can survive a hit from each of the enemies to lure them out (presumably other pegasi or high res characters can too)… Then its just about mopping them up which is easy
I dont think 3* is worth it, it only cost 200 feathers(and some grinding) to evolve =/
Unless you get both, it won’t be possible to make a Level 40+1 5-star version of her. I’ve got her too (and Narcian earlier), but only 2-star versions. However, if they will be available again in the future, then I’ll try to get 3-star versions too. I’m already thinking about the tactics for both enemies.
Noticed 5* Male Robin isn’t in either Gacha. Good thing I have him.
Sounds interesting, looking forward to it if I can get certain people to learn the counter attack from any range options. Also slightly off topic I just got my first duplicate 5 star is it better to have 2 5 star units or to merge them?
u can merge up to a total of 10 dupes to get +10 and a whopping +4 to each stat(2 per merge max 20 bonus stat points) its worth
Sounds like it but multiple Hectors sound fun too XD
lets hope it doesn’t use too much feathers or a certain amount of orbs to work ._.
Time to give Vantage to my Takumi
Please no. The meta is annoying enough as is. I’m sick of seeing the same six characters on endless repeat.
Then what about vantage Hector?
Same issue of just totally cheesing the meta, but he’s slightly less prevalent.
At least Pokemon allows more variety for interesting and unconventional teams to be competitively viable- but Heroes is rather more limited in that regard. You’ll never see a Draug or Virion in the meta, but Takumi and Lucina are freaking everywhere. It gets boring after a while.
In the message regarding this hero battle on the in-game message board, it is stated that F-Robin will prove useful in the next hero battle.
Considering that she is a green unit who has a bonus against cavalry, the next hero battle is almost certainly Ursula, who is a blue tome valkyrie.
Just beat Hard Version today. Was pretty frustrating initially, but my problem was turtling too much and being too chicken to bring Peri into the fray- what with Robin’s triangle advantage and anti-cavalry tome. Camilla, Lyn, Peri, and Sakura beat this map pretty easily.
Oh my lord, that kellam r+ is amazing
passed the hard mode with Lucina(5*) Abel(5*) Cecilia(4*) and Olivia(4*) all level 40
the mvp is without doubt Cecilia Rally Res which makes Lucina survive the initial onslaught.
Characters without activation skills can get activation skills now? I wonder how this feature will work I’m
Looking forward to it. Thanks for the news!
Damn, Boey got them arm muscles
Ughhhhh just release more character portraits from Gaiden already IS!
Got 2 Female Robin from normal and hard, her tome is useful against cavalry units but her other abilities are kinda disappointing. Don’t know if its worth making her 5 Stars since Male Robin seems to have better abilities/stats in comparison.
Owain, Lana, Larcei, and Julia
Sing with me: “which one of these is not like the other”
Are you talking about Owain? Aren’t Lana, Larcei, and Julia all from Genealogy of the Holy War?
Yes?
Vantage Lyn!!!
Finally, some Thracia 776 heroes.
Shoudn’t Eldigan be listed as a genealogy character since he dies before the events of Thracia 776?
Took some orbs but I got Sanaki, Tellius’s only representative so far 😀
Where’s Ares?!?!?!
Ares doesn’t have any siblings
I WILL get you Lachesis….
Why are Klein (Fe6) and Sanaki (Fe10) paired together they aren’t related at all right.
Well they even say it in the paralogue, I found it funny xD
Not to mention Sanaki’s big sibling isn’t there. Won’t say who for spoilers but I’d think they’d be there! Unless saving them for Path of Radiance banner.
If people are playing Heroes, they either already know or are going to get spoilered by the characters descriptions. Heroes hasn’t been shy about that sort of thing.
In any case, I’m glad that we’re gonna start branching into the Tellius games. PoR is one of my favourites. Half of my salary is gonna go into getting Nephenee.
I’m in the same boat as you. Jill, Ike, Nephenee, Soren, Volke, Lethe, so many I want from the Tellius games
It might be asking for much, but I hope the Laguz royals are playable. Caineghis, Tibarn, and Nailah would be freaking awesome.
And I hope they give lolFailBrigade some love. RD was fun, but had big balance problems where some units just had zero chance to be viable.
Yeah no Laguz in Awakening bummed me out but I understood why, however not as hard to animate these so I’d be disappointed if they are not included at least eventually. As for the Dawn Brigade……not gonna deny the only one I used once is Edward and that’s when I was just having every Swordmaster available in game. Everyone else got overshadowed by returning cast. I used Fiona once but I had to level her with bonus experience there is no chapters that you can train her everyone else you had a small chance but Fiona always got the short end of the stick.
I fell you i must get Nephenee no mater the cost.
Because they are adopted brother and sister o.O?
I have most of them already, but that new focus with Effie, Setsuna, Nino, and Felicia seems pretty generous. Asides Setsuna (who is by no means bad), they’re all pretty high-ranking units.
If it’s like the Battling Robin focus, this gives a good hint as to what type of team to train up.
Oh GREAT, more new heroes that I can’t summon! I hate it when this game won’t let me summon new and powerful heroes instead of the same and useless heroes!
Wait, I went to Summon mode and (GASP) …I did it…I actually summoned Reinhardt! I DID IT, I FINALLY DID IT!! For the first time in my life, I have finally summoned a Focus 5-Star Hero!! YEAH, WOO-HOO!!
I see the number 3 up there in bold to signify the Switch release date; sneaky Nintendo.
Or, you know, it could just be that March is the third month of the year.
We’re also still wondering when we get Ike.
With the sibling bonds thing be kinda surprised if he and Mist aren’t part of it.
I’m not because Ike should have his own paralogue and not be part of the sibling bonds.
Abdallah had a good point in thinking that they’re probably gonna hold off on Ike and other Tellius characters until there’s a noticeable lull in the game, in order to draw people back into it.
Awakening and Fates were heavily featured in the release, in order to nab as much of the mainstream as possible. The past few updates were more geared towards vets, and Ike is their next big draw, for those who were introduced to the series through Smash.
So beautiful still want my Lyn unique outfit whenever soon!
Voting gauntlet seems interesting, but why must they make me choose between Lucina and Sharena.
Sharena is obviously much better than boring Lucina 🙂
>If there are other secrets included, (such as translation updates for the English Physic and French Parthia errors),
>those have yet to be reported.
English description for Physic was fixed a while ago, actually:
https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/68256-fire-emblem-heroes-general-discussion-and-links/&do=findComment&comment=4728644
Also, go Sharena!
The princesses will obviously win lol no contest!
I think we all know who’s going to win this one.
Can’t help but wonder – we haven’t seen the booster box promos, have we, or were those in an older post that I missed? If so, someone tell me who they were, and if not, who do you guys think it’ll be? I’m thinking just Alm and Celica.
We haven’t seen them yet. But generally they use characters 001 and 051, so it should be Alm and Al.
Yeah, they haven’t been revealed yet, but we should see them within the next week at the latest as they’ll reveal them in the pre-release livestream if not sooner. Alm is practically confirmed to be one of them, and I’d probably guess Al for the other as well.
What an absolutely useless poll. WE JUST CAME from another big damn poll, we already know how this is gonna end.
What a dumb idea not having Ike and Lyn aren’t around to peg Lucina down or
two.
Ephraim is still too underground for newbies to match her high
popularity.
We get it, Lucina is popular waifu material. whatever.
Kinda want to vote for Chrom but at this point I dont even want to involve myself in this poll. It’s basically. Vote Lucina to win.
Rather go down with on the Chrom or Ephraim ship with pride than to sell out.
Coirple? Does that mean we’re getting Leen soon?
Also for the next two SR characters for Genealogy, are they both for the second generation? If one is Julius, I have a feeling the last one would be either Sety or Ishtar.
Yeah, Genealogy cards for this set are focused on 2nd gen, as opposed to S6 when it was all first gen. Ced is my own pick for the last SR, as well.
Sitting this one out. We all know how the popularity poll went last time right? I’ll bet my firstborn child Lucina wins weather I like it or not.
I know where my bro Lords stand.
Just did a few battles.
Predictably, Lucina is just steamrolling poor Sharena. Not a chance.
thanks
Sadly as awesome as Sharena is obviously over Lucina she stands no chance to Lucinas followers…
Lucina FTW! And how can the Heroes cast every be superior to the others? Its highly unlikely.
“This map is the first campaign map to feature 6 enemy units, one of which includes Veronica herself.”
While Veronica is the main character of the level’s story skit, she makes no appearance on the battlefield. The six enemies are the six Prince/Princesses from this voting gauntlet.
Voting Gauntlet got 6 billion votes in the first day. I’m sure we can get 10 billion.
Be nice if the tiers were cumulative but I doubt it ;P
So, can you have a 5 star hero learn a skill from a 4 star hero that is 5 star exclusive?
Doubt it. Wouldn’t make a lot of sense to inherit something that the original character never got themselves.
They should probably boost those goals/rewards even further. As of right now, the Sharena/Lucina bracket is already over 5 billion just on it’s own.
I don’t really have a problem with Lucinas, but FUCK TAKUMI. This is his revenge for all the memes done of him :'(
Hector is my Takumi killer took out 3 of them by himself a little bit ago
Camilla was actually my suicide Takumi killer until I got Robin.
Lucina is a little troublesome for me because my best Blue unit right now is Female Corrin. The other Falchion users aren’t too bad- Marth is kinda squishy while Google Chrom is pretty slow and has crap res.
Not a single surprise for each lol Lucina obviously has this again Ephraim and Chrom will be interesting I’m definitely rooting for Ephraim!
People are not very clever are they? Wasting all their flags in a round they already won. Well, I knew it would come to this and saved 500 of them to use against Lucina, but I don’t think it will make much of a difference in the end.
It won’t. Lucina’s already at 1.6 bil. Double of what Erika has.
Good news, though. Ephriam and Chrom are practically tied.
That is a match I would like to join LOL.
If its Lucina vs Ephraim, its gonna be pretty much Awakening vs Sacred Stones, and if its Chrom vs Lucina, its father against daughter. Definitely something I look forward to. Lucina FTW!!!
Even though Lucina obviously is gonna win that’d be hilarious
Holy shit, Chrom and Ephraim are literally neck and neck up there. O_O
This is really interesting. Lucina is beating Eirika by nearly twice the votes. I have over 700 flags saved up. Once its Lucina and her final opponent, I’ll be using all my flags like there’s no tomorrow.
Same! Imagine if they did a new Prince/Princess set and Camilla is on it GG!
They will. This is gonna be a thing a lot more often now.
Ya I’m on chrom team we actually briefly passed ephraim but they passed us up again it is only a few million in score difference
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c049a7c46b868d29cd0c8d135959dcb641b5765f92aa5d6e429c0914f2b8f413.jpg
The Focus doesn’t actually look that good for this battle. They’re all infantry, and the map has two nasty ninjas with Poison Daggers, Poison Strike, and Savage Blow. The other enemies are an Axe Knight wit Pavise, a Sword Cavalier, and Ursula herself.
Like the Female Robin map, you start off in a nasty bottleneck, but at least this time you have the option to bait some of them for some duels across the walls.
I just beat the 3 star version with Lissa, Saizo, Selena, and Female Robin. Saizo can duel with the ninjas, Female Robin kills both the cavalier and Ursula no problem, Selena can handle the knight, and Lissa to heal.
If you have two tanky fly units such as Subaki, Cherche or Beruka. This map is pretty damn easy.
I only pulled Cherche a few days ago- there’s no way that I can raise her up in time.
I’m gonna try Camilla and Catria. I want to bring my Young Tiki, too- but those fucking ninjas double her. Almost all of my best units (Except Camilla and Catria) are infantry. I have pulled zero Armour from summoning.
The 4 star was surprisingly easy. Got it on my second try after I missed that the cavalier had draw back.
None of the grand hero battles have been too difficult though.
Mind telling me what your strategy was? Cause I’m a bit stuck, since my issue is that I need to keep all my characters alive.
Sheena, male Robin, healer, and Leo. Moved Sheena to hold the choke, while letting Leo combat the ninja at the top. This aggroed Ursula who moved into range with the general behind her. Then I basically just used Robin + Sheena to pick them off one by one, starting with Ursula, then the general, then the final ninja, and the cavalier.
Shit, I don’t have Sheena… or Leo. :/
I do have Effie and Gwendolyn, though.
Wendy or Effie could work, the reason Sheena worked for me was because Ursula had weapon disadvantage, so you could give it a shot to see if it works for you. Otherwise try some other tanky axe user. Leo can be substituted for anyone really, as long as they’re on horseback. That poison dagger is spooky.
Shit, this is gonna be challenging. Mostly because most of my units at max level aren’t even green units. The only max green unit is 3* Narcian. But the main issue here is the Poison Dagger users, which makes sense. Its why Kagero is so terrifying. Alright, better start grinding my characters more.
Yeah, good luck with it. Hope you manage before the time is up.
Too bad you can’t lend units, lol.
Okay, managed to get luck and FINALLY got that 5* Lucina I always wanted. And a 5* Elise as well. I have a 4* Nino, so she might be able to help. But I’ll have to look at character’s strong suit and make use of it. Least I got half of the team needed, being a healer and Male Robin.
Good news. Managed to get 3* Ursala. Bad news? Unsure my strategy will work for the 4* map one, since the enemies are even stronger.
Nice! Honestly, it might probably be easier to use that stamina, grind her to 20, and promote her with 2k feathers instead if you’re struggling that much.
What’s your user ID btw?
Yeah. I don’t have the characters I need and can’t grind as often because I have other issues to deal with. Better if I focus on the fact I got her 3 star at the least.
It’s 9531125025
BTW, look at this:
http://i.redditmedia.com/F0kL8jIr3nFyObcFfwkMVcHNFwVR2wgwfH0NvBPzh_U.jpg?w=459&s=01a84ec161b906d2a031fb7d94ab584d
Pretty accurate, eh? XD
I’m gonna root for Lucina all the way, since she was Robin’s pairing in Awakening, and I absolutely love her character. X3
‘The entered ID is not valid’ Hmm seems odd, don’t know what the problem could be. Mine is 2861457768 if it works from your end.
lol though. Blew Elise away in the first round, but Lucina is leading over us with almost 3b now, jeez. Not a big fan of Awakening and SS was my first FE, so if Ephraim goes through I’ll probably join his side in the final. 😉
Oh shit, I forgot to add one more zero.
95311250250
Sent the request to you nonetheless.
I will be honest though. I am one of the few people that cannot stand Ephraim. So I’m hoping for Chrom to win, but if Ephraim wins, it’ll be Awakening vs Sacred Stones. In that case, may the best character win. It’ll be fun at the very least.
Well, guess who’s winning. Surprise surprise!
But how can you dislike Ephraim? He’s clever and righteous, can’t think of many other protagonists that match his conviction. If anything Eirika is way more naive, characters like that annoy me quite a bit.
Simple: he’s even more of a Gary Stu than Corrin was, and he gets away with it. He is so strong, and so powerful, he can solo the Grado Empire, with even if he’s betrayed, even if he’s surrounded, Ephraim will always win out. “I don’t pick fights I can’t win” is nothing than another way of saying, “I’ll win because I’m Ephraim”. And the biggest thing that pissed me off is that to actually stop him, it required a literal plot device, a plot device that Eirika gave Lyon that has gotten her bashed on, to stop Ephraim. Like, REALLY?! There was no real development for Ephraim. They made him out to be this perfect warrior and so on. Marth lost his home and knew that he was powerless on his own. Ike was only decently strong in the beginning, but had to train harder later on.
I believe this subject is touched upon in his supports, in particular with Kyle. He is that way because he dislikes being above others because of his social rank, and was incredibly weak and didn’t have many friends. But his resolve was his main strength and was what made him grow up into the strong character he is now. So he wasn’t always like this.
That said, he does get into quite questionable situations at times. It seems unlikely that he would escape Fort Renvall (that only has one entrance, the bridge) when it’s surrounded by Valter and his troops. But he is a tactical genius, that’s why he’s away from Renais in the first place. He showed that as he managed to fight off Tirados men by using the field to his advantage even when he was vastly outnumbered. So I don’t think it’s that Ephraim is amazingly OP, it’s that he’s clever and inspires hope in his companions.
But he is a main character and can’t really be killed off, so I think that fact has more to do with his role in the plot and the way people perceive him than anything.
That’s the issue here. Him being a tactical genius so great that he can come up with the perfect strategy to escape and once again SOLO the Grado Empire. It works with Chrom and Robin, where Chrom was the leader and could inspire moral and lead, while Robin was the tactician that supported everyone. It helped there because we have the two support one another. But Ephraim was basically performing things by himself. He hardly ever got into any real trouble. In fact, he got Eirika out of trouble when she thought he was in trouble. They have him have virtually ZERO weaknesses.
Also, the entire thing about how he was weak and all in the past is great, but if all that’s done is that he’s mentioned to have been weaker, it ceases to be that great, because that’s how Garon’s role in Fates got so bad, because we only hear how he was at the supports, but we never saw the real Garon’s glory days so it really is hard to imagine him as anything more than a prick.
Ephraim shouldn’t have been the main protagonist at all in my opinion. It should have remained with Eirika. Protagonists should develop and grow throughout the story. Ephraim hardly grew at all, whereas Eirika did develop and grow, going from a naive girl to a more strong independent person.
In my opinion, Ephraim should have been something like a Gotoh archetype, very powerful and already in the pinnacle of his growth. Making him a protagonist ruins it for me because he’s not really growing. If he had to be a main protagonist, show that he wasn’t really that perfect, that the death of his father and his kingdom in ruins, and Lyon seemingly betraying him, all that has made Ephraim become colder and more ruthless little by little and that worried others and even gets reckless that it costs him dearly, and Eirika acts as his light that keeps him from losing himself. It would show that Ephraim needs Eirika to remind him not to lose his humanity in the face of sadness and anger, and Ephraim teaches Eirika how to be wiser and not so naive.
Could it be? I’m hyped for a FE game again?
Hope I don’t jinx it.
I wish I can finish my Gaiden playthrough before this game released.
I’m replaying it atm. Gotta build the hype further before it comes crashing down!
Who wouldn’t be hyped?! It’s Fire Emblem!!!
Yeah man!!
But to be honest I was let down by Awakening and Fates, I’m making an exception this time since it’s a reimagining of one of my personal favorites.
Alms’ voice though…
Kinda sounds like he got Bryce Papenbrook’d
I’m excited if it is Bryce. I met him at a convention (dressed as Henry of course) and he is the coolest / nicest person ever!
Hector wreaked the ninjas and Ursula by being buffed by Sheena for me and Sanaki made quick work of the general the only hiccup was the cavalier but a Hector and Sheena were able to take him out
This makes me sincerely wish it was dual audio.
I got a 3-Star Ursula after beating Hard mode, but getting a 4-Star Ursula from Lunatic mode?! HELL NO! I got my 5-Star Effie, but how is she not enough?! None of my 5-Star characters are powerful enough to beat Ursula or those Goddamn Ninjas in Lunatic mode! So, screw this!
Well, if you do not mind spending money you can get a booster pack from the store. These are guaranteed to contain at least a 6 star.
Stupid childish troll, Fire Emblem Heroes is an App game, not some “Yu-Gi-Oh!” wannabe cards. Fire Emblem Heroes is where you summon the heroes using Orbs.
And what are you doing with an app game? Diablo II is where the fun is at!
Diablo II? That’s irrelevant coming from a childish troll like you. Also, Diablo II sucks balls, and so do you. Now be off, Fire Emblem haters such as you are not allowed here.
Hater? I finished Fire Emblem Fates last week for khorne’s sake! Also, you can’t disallow people in forums.
Here is the accuracy between the current battles:
http://i.redditmedia.com/F0kL8jIr3nFyObcFfwkMVcHNFwVR2wgwfH0NvBPzh_U.jpg?w=459&s=01a84ec161b906d2a031fb7d94ab584d
If only the same Artist for this did FEH version of Julia. I think this art does the character more justice than the one on FEH.
Canceling my pre-order. I wanted a real fire emblem game with a player avatar, and marriage, not this generic unispired shit. Wtf.are my children and face rubbing, some of the best features in recent games? At least Celica looks kinda sexy, but nowhere near the level of some of my favorite characters like Camilla and tharja.
People need to boycott this shot. Its terrible when companies like nintendo ruin some of their beloved franchises and this unfaithfulness should not be looked at lightly
You’re joking right?
About 99% sure he is joking. Saying something like that would be silly if it were sincere.
Can I have your preorder?
Lunatic map is pretty tricky without the right units. You essentially get screwed being bottlenecked with infantry units by the Ninjas and Ursula basically kills off your cavalry from behind that walls. My setup that got me through this was with a flying squad composed of Caeda, Minerva, Cordelia, and Lissa as my healer (you pretty much want to use anyone who has rehabilitate like Wrys). You can probably get similar results with a heavy unit duo + mage support (but i have almost no heavy units to try anything out) since heavy armors don’t count as infantry. Essentially what I did was charge the first breakable wall with Cordelia who has been buffed by Caeda’s Fortify flier and within range of Minerva’s Ward flier to shrug off Ursula’s attack easily, and I also used Caeda to bait the ninja, allowing Cordelia to follow up next turn for the kill. I essentially just positioned Caeda where the broken wall was to maintain Fortify Flier, and had Minerva above Caeda to create a wall for the heavy knight and ninja above. The bottleneck is effective for allowing my healer to keep minerva’s HP at max after every assault (not attacking the heavy knight during your turn), without being in range of the ninja above. Cordelia can clean up the red cavalier and Ursula with the help of galeforce (and if you need an extra hit, Caeda can help too). The rest is easy after that since Minerva can effectively just wall the heavy until it dies.
Does anyone know if Chrom is going to be the only one who has an SR+ card?
There have always been 6 SR+ cards per set, usually half per colour, but not always. We’ve also already seen the SR+ for Shannan, which you can view next to his regular SR here: https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/shannan-sr-plus.png
The other 4 SR+ cards have not been revealed yet. Seliph will likely get one, and probably Julia for the other Genealogy ones. I’m also betting that F!Robin will get an SR+ card on the Awakening side, but I’m not sure about the third.
Finally beat lunatic after several failed attempts with several different team comps.
Who would have thought that my best shot at this map with infantry-killers and high-resistance enemies would be a team of entirely infantry and two mages? Serra, Eirika, Nino, and Male Robin. It was right down to the wire. Eirika and Robin survived with 2 hp.
Tine’s card looks so cool. I can’t wait for more Genealogy cards to come out.
So I got this so far in my squad. So time to send them all away home? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c485982259a127ab6a812c801e2f15f239a09b9ca4f61ab078ffd7186e2289d2.png
Ban moderator eclipse, she’s sending death threats to users ty
I agree their plain awful and abusive with their position……
“What’s important is that right before Alm attacked, a character’s portrait could be seen in the combat forecast. Putting two and two together, these boosts are likely the effect of a support system, like the ones found in earlier Fire Emblems.”
YES PLEASE
I greatly prefer the modern system, since it doesn’t restrict the number of support conversations you can unlock per playthrough. Plus it just makes more sense from a standpoint of gameplay and story integration.
Why do you like this system better? I can’t understand why.
Because it was strategic. Removing the limit was like removing the limit of XP in awakening and Fates. Not to mention the benefits were honestly a lot greater. Not to mention the supports in FE13 and 14 weren’t even worth reading. I wouldn’t be against having something like “only the first 5 supports give stat boosts” or something like that so you are able to read more, but the scarcity of them made them feel more valuable and less like the throw-away dialogue that permeated Awakening’s and Fate’s supports. In the end, i just like the mechanics of the original a heck of a lot better.
“It was strategic.” Um…? So is the newer system…? Because there’s a greater limit on the amount of characters one unit can be supported by at one time, that prevents it from being overpowered. Maybe it lost the strategic aspect of choosing who to support with who, but I honestly hated that–it kind of sucks when you support two characters and the support conversations suck, because you just wasted what could have been a good moment for character development and you’re not going to get that back (despite what a lot of people say, older games’ supports weren’t really any better about quality, despite their low quantity–more on that later); this was an issue I ran into while playing Sacred Stones, and it’s probably one of the reasons I still haven’t been able to convince myself to actually finish it for once. Awakening was weaker in the aspect of strategy, because the main support bonus was RNG-based (even on top of the fact that characters actually get direct stat boosts that are shown to you now… even though you claim the boosts from supports are lesser??), but Fates improved upon it greatly, and it was such a good system that removing it honestly doesn’t feel like anything but an awkward stumble backwards in order to appeal to a crowd that sees everything through nostalgia-filtered goggles and who hasn’t been as good at supporting them monetarily as the rest of their audience anyway.
And… allowing unlimited grinding is a bad thing??? Huh?? What??? An RPG is a heavily RNG-dependent game. This goes doubly so for Fire Emblem, considering that every one of every unit’s level-ups is random, meaning that whether or not every unit is even usable, and, by extension, whether or not the game is even beatable, is random. It’s a glaring flaw for a game that’s supposed to be strategic, and although most seem to disagree with me, they would understand if their luck was bad enough; however, since reacting to good and bad level-ups is such a universal and iconic part of the Fire Emblem experience, I highly doubt that they’re going to change this, and as long as they don’t–as long as they allow the game to “break” itself for the player–they should allow the player to counter that by grinding freely. Sure, people will “abuse” this system (as if playing a video game in a way that’s most enjoyable to you can be considered an “abuse” of anything) to grind and become overpowered, but who cares? If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t do it. No one’s making you (a lot of people don’t seem to understand that, and it leads to dumb decisions being made, like making challenge battles impossible in Conquest without forking over even more money, just because they knew a lot of dicks would be too proud to play a game that *gasp* allowed optional grinding, therefore making the whole experience a lot more frustrating for anyone getting bad level-ups and locking people who weren’t as good out of that story experience–although that’s somewhat offset by the option of Phoenix Mode, but then, the people saying you shouldn’t be allowed to grind are generally the same ones saying Phoenix Mode shouldn’t be an option, sooo…). You know what? I hate reclassing. I hate changing my characters to a class that doesn’t match their portrait or their dialogue and dealing with the wonkiness of their stats just to get new skills. So you know what? I just don’t do it. I don’t say it shouldn’t be in the game, because it’s completely optional and I know a lot of people utilize and enjoy it. I just don’t do it and I enjoy myself and other people do it and they enjoy themselves and everyone’s happy just playing our video games the way we want to because we all live in first world countries and have that privilege.
I’ll agree with you on Fates supports being largely throwaway, but Awakening? Did we play the same game here? Awakening was the first time in the series that every character actually had effort put into them. Go back and read Path of Radiance’s supports. There’s… maybe five characters that the writers took advantage of supports to flesh out. Despite the lower number of supports, a huge amount of it is still filler. Most of these characters they didn’t even bother coming up with a backstory for. Seriously, who the heck is Ilyana or Kieran besides just a gimmick? Awakening has gimmicks too, but at least gives explanations or reasons for them, or makes sure the character is more than just that, if not trying to deconstruct them altogether. There’s a sexy dancer who’s actually really shy? That’s funny! Until you see her actually seriously having problems because of her social anxiety so much so that she struggles to even talk to some people, and you realize she probably has this issue because it was her alluring dancing that led to an attempted rape against her in the past. Holy crap! And it’s little things like this that make Awakening’s characters so beloved, as the Heroes polls showed–they benefited from the new support system because they all actually were shown to be very lifelike, distinct and believable, with many facets to them. Having a large number of supports ensured that even if some of their supports were filler, there were opportunities for a more meaningful support with another character. Also notice how unpopular the characters with very few supports were, and how frustrated fans were with that. Hmm…
In the end, there’s no accounting for taste–that is, subjectivity–but when it comes to objectivity, I can’t help but think that the newer support system is just plain better–not a distinctly different system, but an improvement upon the old one–even if there are some things about the old one that I like. Okay, one thing. Affinities. I really like affinities.
Disclaimer: This is not a an angry rant. I am just trying to have a discussion and I like to put a lot of thought into what I have to say. I am not trying to be mean. Positivity all around! (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧
Holy crap, I didn’t realize it was this long
Oh gosh. Wall of text. Uhhhh, I’ll try to respond but I’m bound to have missed something.
Anyway, I rather liked that you COULDN’T just support everything. You had to think about the bonuses available, what characters would most likely be next to each other, and such. But my main point is this: The supports did something tangible besides stat boosts when paired up like Awakening, AND your characters didn’t have to be next to each other for the bonuses. They just had to be within 2 spaces which allows for a lot more flexibility. On to the doing stuff part: support conversations were limited not because the game hated you, but because it would break the game otherwise. Giving Ike 5 ranks of earth supports in PoR gave him around 95 avoid when he was within range of 2 other characters. Broken? Yes. But, unlike Awakening, I didn’t feel punished for not maxing supports before battles. On harder difficulties, the game fully expects you to max supports to even have a shot at the harder levels. As for support quality, I will admit a few of Awakening’s were well written. There were also mediocre ones like how Chrom marries Sumia because she bakes pies, or the copy+paste father/child support conversations. Yes, I know why they did it, but they made them as generic as possible so they fit everyone. I didn’t run into any supports in the GBA or PoR that I didn’t like, but we probably supported different people. Some standouts that I remember were Lucius and Raven’s A support along with Mia and Rhys’ A support.
Idk if I said this, but I wouldn’t mind at all if they removed the cap but let you choose 5 supports (or just the first 5) for stat bonuses, but let you read the rest. And yeah, the affinities are what I really liked. It made the bonuses from each character distinct rather than generic.
And the grinding: call me crazy, but I like XP as a limited resource. You only get so much, so you allways need to judge if it’s worth giving to your pre-promote, your est-type, or your main party. It also means you can’t train everyone, as there just isn’t enough XP to do it, so each run can be unique as you train a different party each time.
And finally, before you say anything about nostalgia, here’s the order I played the games in:
8, 1/2 of 11, 13, 7, 9, 13 (again), 1/3 of 12, 6, 4/5 of 4, 2/3 of 14 (couldn’t make myself finish it) and RD when I get around to it.
So yeah, not really nostalgia speaking
Oops. I made a wall of text too. Yay twins?
My wall of text could beat up your wall of text, but it wouldn’t, because it’s a nice guy
Ahh okay I see what you mean about supporting from a distance in that it is useful, but it just doesn’t make any sense to me how a character could be helping another in battle when they’re that far away from each other.
As for support limits: there are both good and bad supports in newer and older games. The difference is that when there is a limit, once you unlock a bad support, you just wasted a resource that you had no way of knowing it was going to be bad. In theory you could look up the supports online, but that kind of dulls the excitement of unlocking and viewing one. Your idea of “unlock a bunch of supports but only get bonuses for a few of them” sounds nice, but there would be no need to limit them like that if a character could only be aided by the characters right next to them (makes sense) as opposed to getting bonuses from a bit of a distance (makes less sense)
I could maybe get behind you over experience being a limited resource if it weren’t for the fact that it can be so easily wasted through no fault of the player. What if you put everything you have into some characters but they just don’t pull through with their stat gains? There’d be no way of knowing if that would happen until it does, and when that happens, you’re screwed–you might even have to start over.
Between support limits and and experience limits, you push for a game that would need to be replayed multiple times to get the full experience. I don’t like that! Considering older games force you to bench a lot of characters or suffer the low levels of evenly distributed experience, that’s a lot of characters whose supports you’re not even going to unlock at all–plus the the fact that of those characters you do actually use, you’re only going to get five of your supports… I’m going to have to play the game many times over and over to even figure out which characters I even like. And if I don’t really like the characters after all is said and done? That’s a huge waste of time on something I paid money for to have an enjoyable experience. That’s a portion of my life I’m never going to get back, and it’s a much greater portion than if the game was designed for me to get a full experience on only one playthrough. Replays should be more optional than that.
And some of the stuff you said about Awakening is just plain silly. “It punishes you for not having enough supports”… huh? “on higher difficulties”… oh. Dude, if the harder modes are too hard, just don’t play them. That’s what the easier modes are for. And I’d much rather be “punished” for not having a lot of supports (my own decision–I mean, you kind of have to go out of your way not to unlock a lot of supports in Awakening) than for putting experience points into characters and not having it pay off (the game’s fault, not mine).
And… Chrom marries Sumia over pies?? Oh for crying out loud… it’s like people just see the word “pie” and forget that any other word was spoken in their supports! Pie was involved, but they were also talking to each other and building a relationship as they went. There weren’t even any pies in the C support! He doesn’t marry her just because she made him pies–although the gesture of willing making food for someone else just because you can is important to note–he marries her because she was going out of her way to support him and he was realizing how much he cared about her along the way. In the S support he even says, and I *quote*, “this is not about pies”. Yeah they do make some silly comments like “In between the fifth and sixth pie I thought to myself” and “I’ve felt this way since before the very first pie”, but even then, the pies themselves clearly aren’t the cause of the love, and I kind of thought those were intended to be… jokes. Not even jokes on the part of the writers or localizers, but jokes on the part of the characters–because love can be pretty silly, especially that giddy feeling that is so much like laughter, and I mean, it’s a marriage proposal: there should be smiles around anyway, so it’s not exactly an inappropriate time for jokes. Whether or not you find it funny is a different story, but saying “Chrom married Sumia over pies” is just a false statement, and that oversimplification of events is the kind of criticism that Awakening’s supports are unfairly subjected to a lot.
And I don’t think the “generic” supports with the characters’ fathers really made either character suffer that much, because each father still had his own dialogue written in his voice. Actually, I find looking through the same supports with different fathers a nice way to see smaller distinctions in their personalities. The only issue is that sometimes there are sometimes inconsistencies, like Ricken telling Brady he’s never had a teatime in his life or Severa telling Gregor she’s about his age.
But hey, affinities! We agree on that at least! I like it more from a meta standpoint–the implication (that is all but confirmed in the Path of Radiance Anthology) that mages are using spirits of the dead for their power, and what kind of spirit each character would be when they die–and also that each affinity has a sort of personality type that each character of that affinity exhibits traits of… aah!
Oops forgot to respond. Idk if you get my point sort of, but I get yours. Don’t really want to leave you hanging or just back out, but I don’t currently have the time to write a proper response, and I’ll forget if I don’t do something now. So yeah, we’ll agree to disagree. Idk if that response satisfies you, but I fully respect your opinion. This is the most lengthy civil discussion I’ve had with a fan of the newer stuff, and you get bonus respect for that. Nice talking with you.
Are there more story changes than just Alm leading the Deliverance in this trailer? Please answer this with just a yes or a no, I don’t want any spoilers whatsoever. Thank you in advance!
Ninian yes!!!!
Does that mean she’ll be a dragon and a dancer? Pretty sure if that’s the case, she might become an S+ tier rank.
Not necessarily. Olivia and Azura don’t have very impressive stat totals, for instance, and dragons will always suffer the eternal Falchion curse of the omnipresent Marth/Chrom/Lucina. It’ll very much depend on the details of her weapon and what colour type of unit she is, is what I’m thinking.
Azura is a very strong fighter though. Her attack strength is very good, and against red units, which most units are comprised of, she can be very deadly with her Sapphire Lance. Also, even if she goes against Green units, she can easily turn over to a red unit that can fight green units. Its why she’s one of the S+ tier units.
We have Tiki (both versions) as red dragon units, Fae as green dragon unit, and CorrinF as blue dragon unit. Ninian will likely be a blue dragon unit, but at the same time could also be a green dragon unit.
Also, Julia with her Naga tome can also kill dragons, so the 3 Falchion users aren’t the only dangers.
Fair enough. And personally, I imagine she’ll be a Blue unit, ’cause to me that just makes sense (closest colour association with ice. They seem to do that almost everywhere in this game.)
Though I’m thinking she’ll probably get a brand new weapon. After all, none of the existing breath attacks would make sense for her. It’ll be interesting what they’ll do with that.
Yeah, blue unit is my first guess. There are no units that cannot attack. Even healers can attack, though they are very weak, the effects they give from it is somewhat useful.
None of the breath attacks makes sense for Tiki either. She’s a Divine Dragon, so her attack should be a Mist breath, but instead she has a Fire or Lightning breath. And Corrin is more associated with water, but has a dark breath. But yeah, since she’s an ice dragon, she should be using a different kind of breath attack.
Ninian is an ice dragon iirc. So it does point towards blue unit
Ice is usually wind magic though which is green in this.
Probably both
That’s what I was saying. She’ll be attacking as a dragon, but has the support of dance.
Every character has to have an attack so it makes sense I do wonder if they’ll do it with her younger brother Nils since he never transform in the main game then again Sophia is also half Manakete but uses tomes but also I hope in a future remake they make her wield stones!
Don’t both Ninian and Nils perform only support and never any attack?
Yeah but Ninian via cutscene transform while Nils doesn’t
I run out of Orbs aiming for Nino(failed to get one, not even 3*), Now Ninian show up!
i got her 4* but she was -atk +hp was kinda sad
Given I finished The Blazing Blade last night, this announcement hit me right in the feels and stopped my heart for a split second so of course this gets all of my yes. I just wish I hadn’t spent 20 Orbs this morning and of course this is when FEH starts to phase out the daily Orb bonus…
*sob* All these characters look so beautiful with updated art and I want them so much and why can’t I have them all right now?! Especially Ninian! Having her at the top in portrait like that adds such a mysterious air to the whole piece (P.S. I downloaded this image as soon as I saw the tweet).
I WANT THESE CHARACTERS SO BAD!!! *bursts into tears*
I wonder why Patty was the last SR card. I thought it’d be Sety or Ishtar. Is Patty that popular in Japan?
Also, I remember seeing this screenshot (it was poor quality) that gave a glimpse of future cards. It seems like Aless and Leen may be coming out soon.
*Ced
Awesome can’t wait to get Ninian I’m guessing Lilith whenever she comes is going to be stone user as well with healing effects!
It’s funny that Ninian has fire breath, yet she is an ice dragon.
So, general impressions of the characters (beware, long comment incoming):
– Ninian is great. Dance + FORTIFY DRAGONS. OK. Now granted Dragon-focussed teams have a really rough time between the Falchion’s and Julia with the Naga tome… But if you don’t have that, good lord, that sounds potentially terrifying. On another note, I’m not terribly surprised seeing Light Breath, but I wish they’d just given her a new weapon. AND WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE HER FIRE BREATH!?
– Karel’s combination of Desperation and Defiant Atk sounds really strong on paper, but then you see his stats, and he’s not as fast as you’d expect… Not to mention somewhat lacking durability.
– Lucius’s concept seems gimmicky, I doubt it’ll be very strong. I get what they were going for, but it doesn’t it just take too long to get Miracle to work? Especially with Martyr slowing its activation further.
– Jafar looks interesting, though I’m not sure if/how his weapon’s effect compliments his stats. Definitely seems like one of the most offensively inclined Shuriken users thus far, though.
– Priscilla, a mounted healer with Rehabilitate (my personal favorite healing skill). A unique combination of attributes right there. Provides defensive support as well. She’ll be good. Really good. Maybe even the best healer?
– Rebecca. Yay, got this unit. Competing with Takumi is always rough, but she sets herself apart. Darting Blow makes her the fastest Archer during Player Phase, which compliments her good colourless Atk well. Furthermore, the rest of her skills obviously want you to pair her with a very bulky unit. Seal Atk means enemies won’t hit as hard (if Rebecca doesn’t kill them outright), letting a tank unit absorb their hits that much more easily, and these units can in term block stop the enemy from reaching Rebecca, while in a pinch, Rebecca can also provide some small healing. But sometimes that makes all the difference.
While training her up, I put Sheena on the same team, and she’s just really bulky all-around. Granted, the AI isn’t always the best representation of this, but for what it’s worth, this combination worked really, really well.
F!Corrin is strong to handle Lucina even Marth which imo is weaker Nowi too its all about when to strike and receive the support, Tiki can just bounce Hectors Armads with more def for Julia probably requires skill inheriting.
Something’s going down the day we get a skill that nullifies effective-against bonusses against Dragon units, something similar to, say, Iote’s Shield.
I’d say that be on someone…….”important”. First thought would be Tiki but since that’s come and passed I’d say Kurthnaga from PoR/RD
Watch it be on Nils, whenever he comes out.
Spent $75 and with the leftover orbs from last event, the new orbs from this one and the orbs from the end of the voting gauntlet and managed to get 2 Jaffar, 1 Lucius, 1 Ninian and as an added bonus finally got an Azura and a Elise so not a bad summoning but honestly would have preferred a Rebecca or a Priscilla (or maybe finally a frekin Kagero /rage) instead of a 2ed Jaffar but I can wait on those.
Just wanted to remind that the character in the banner is not Severa from Awakening, but Selena from Fates.
Aaaaaaaand looks like I’ll be completely muting voices. Still wish there was a dual audio option.
Me too, the dual-audio thing was amazing in Awakening, why don’t keep it?
It wasn’t in Fates either? The only dual audio game so far WAS awakening.
Now, the real question: Why not? 3 reasons:
1. Licensing costs or issues. In some cases, voice actors need to give their permission for their voices to be used outside of Japan.
2. NoA changed the script too much.
3. Space limitations. Self explanatory.
None are good reasons, but NoA can be downright lazy sometimes.
Wasn’t there some legal problems with the Japanese version “Lost in Thoughts”?
Pretty sure that’s true. Thanks, forgot about that.
Correct
There were voice glitches in the Japanese audio in the localized version of Awakening that they did have problems with like the female Einherjars spoke with Robin’s third voice, making a new file without a soft reset will not work, and the second male Robin voice that you face Grima didn’t speak a word in the Final Chapter that I totally think that’s probably caused by the glitch. But, I did seen there was a post a thread that have a poll that alot of people voted English voices and only 4 people voted Japanese voices that I totally think that’s probably why alot of people stick using English voices.
Could you weebs please shut up and just be happy we are getting the game along with full voice acting.
Seriously, Nintendo should of never gave dual-audio with Awakening because of weebs like you guys.
That’s not what a weeb is…
Even if Awakening didn’t have it, I’d still ask for it because it’s nice to have. I can complain all I like, but there’s no way I’m ever passing on this game. These complaints are complaints, but they won’t stop my purchase. As for the voice acting, I never asked for it. I’m probably alone on this, but I’d rather a game with no VAs than bad VAs. DON’T GET ME WRONG, NOT ALL OFF THE VOICE ACTING IS BAD. It’s just the random cringe-inducing line readings that make me irritated, especially when I know I’ll be hearing those lines a lot.
Not what weeb means
Actually, stuff like this is usually what Nintendo and other companies want to hear – when people complain about what they dislike about a game or rave about what they love about a game, it tells game companies what they’re doing right/wrong so they can keep doing the things the fans like and correct the things the fans dislike because if people hate the game too much they won’t put any money into it. In this instance, chances are there’s not much they’ll change in future games because VAs are very difficult to get right on the first try for characters that didn’t have VAs before and it’s difficult to just swap a VA out because people get way more upset over that, but it’s still a good thing for Nintendo to hear that people don’t agree with their choices – maybe they’ll make better VA changes when bringing the Echoes cast to Heroes(which will happen soon if they want to continue raising hype for Echoes).
As for Dual-Audio, if Nintendo had made it work properly(i.e. they checked for glitches BEFORE releasing Awakening and didn’t botch so much of Fates’ Storyline in translation that Dual-Audio would have been even more confusing to add than the Storyline itself…which is saying something in certain places[looks pointedly at Zola]) it would have been a brilliant move, and frankly I loved that I could use the Japanese voices in Awakening – I even got one of my cousins, who is half-Japanese, to ask me about the game because I was playing with the Dual Audio on.
The thing is, Awakening have actually good english voice acting besides Olivia. Even she only particularly bad on battle grunts and not anywhere else. How Fates can have worse quality despite being a sequel to a supposedly final game in a series is a mystery to me.
Ugh, the voices suck, why they don’t give us dual audio like in Awakening? Really, why?
The voices are awesome, weebs.
0:26 of the 3rd video begs to differ. I can’t speak for you, but bad voice acting will ruin any game for me. I’m not annoyed that the voices aren’t the original. I’m annoyed that we’re getting a crap version while Japan’s has highly recognized voice talent. We get the short end of the stick because NoA is cheap. If the voice acting was consistently good, I wouldn’t be complaining.
FE has received some highly recognized English voice talent. I’m all for personal preference, I love Japanese voice acting as much as the next person, but I feel English va’s get too little credit. At worst they’re called trash by virtue of basically just being English.
You can’t please everyone, some people can’t be pleased at all.
I think most people who say they have issues with English VAs aren’t saying they can’t be pleased, I think they’re mostly just kind of miffed that Nintendo appears to still only really be focusing on Japan for Fire Emblem(anyone up for a game of Cipher?). Yes, we do have some good VAs(I personally loved Velouria’s battle quotes and Noire’s demon laugh), but a lot of the time Japan’s voice acting just sounds better – like Olivia, whose Japanese voice high pitch fit her character design so much better than her English lower one. On the other hand, there were some characters who made me wish I could custom-tailor my voice options per character so I could play with the Japanese voices for everyone else but keep their English ones – Basilio’s Japanese voice in particular made my ears hurt, and then there was Donnel…Anyways, my personal theory is there’s at least one guy up at Nintendo who thinks it was a bad idea to let the Americans see Marth and Roy in Melee all those years back because then they’d have to waste time throwing us enough scraps to keep us quiet, hence the censorship and translation problems a lot of Americans have with the game as it kind of feels like they’re babying us. Maybe I’m wrong, but it does seem a little weird at times the random things they change(I straight-up LOVE “Slappyface” though, not gonna lie).
I actually loved Olivia’s voice. Though, there isn’t really a voice I hate in the FE series. Even Felicia, which by everyone’s standards has bad VA, eventually grew on me and I couldn’t see her any other way than with that voice. Maybe this is because I have (or had) no prior knowledge of what the voices sounded like in Japanese, but even then, I am still grateful for them.
Felicia’s voice actress is probably the best and most talented in all of Fates. I didn’t know there were VAs that could pump that much personality into 2-second clips.
Nice b8
Felicia’s English voice was a VAST improvement.
Nope barely use her in battle and didn’t marry her but with her twin sister Flora though JAT just has a sexy voice!
True, very true.
I was kind of with you until you mentioned Olivia.
That kawaii desu squealing is never acceptable on an adult. Ever.
Her English voice is still high-pitched, but not to an obnoxious extent, just to a realistic one. Her voice still shakes and she’s still quiet, and that’s enough to fit with her character.
Basically, her Japanese voice acting sounds like voice acting, and her English voice acting sounds like talking.
I misspoke. Some of the voice actors are fine and I don’t mind them at all. Alm isn’t half bad, and I wouldn’t mind his voice. But, just like dubs, the side characters get the lesser voice actors and, in a game fully voiced (like this is), that can ruin the experience for me. Again, it’s not the fact that it’s english, but the fact that it’s not consistently good. Genny’s voice oh gosh. That and Mae’s battle quotes are what ruined it for me.
Unecessary remark but yes better than fates that’s for sure
These voices are great, especially Mae’s. Why do all these weebs hate english VA so much?
So apparently criticising a VAs performance = weeb which is not the definition try again…
I’m talking about when people say “Japanese voice acting is better than English ones”. I’m not talking about those who don’t like it.
The closest thing I can find on the internet to a definition of “Weeb” says “A non-Japanese person who basically denounces their own culture and calls themselves Japanese. They try to learn Japanese through the anime they watch and usually end up pronouncing it wrong and looking like a complete idiot.” Admittedly, this isn’t necessarily trustworthy because it IS the internet and “Weeb” isn’t in any of the physical dictionaries my family owns so obviously I can’t check them, but I assume you can see the difference between this and the people on here. For anyone who doesn’t, have an example:
~My Weeb Impression~
(Based on a mix of what little Japanese I know[intentionally misspelled to mirror past experiences I’ve had – correct spellings are “Sugoi” and “Kawaii” if what I’ve checked is correct] and what I’ve seen people who fit above description say on social networking sites)
“I can’t stand English VAs because they all suck OTN compared to the ORIGINAL VAs, which were ultra sugoy! Genny’s VA especially sounded super kawaie!”
Just saying the Japanese VA is better than the English one isn’t being a “Weeb” – rather, it’s a statement of personal preference. For example, while I have usually found myself enjoying the JP VAs more than the English ones(though some of those are simply because I grew up with said character only speaking JP[COUGHROYCOUGH]), there are several characters who I liked better in English, such as Basilio, who sounds definitely like someone trying to be gruff and failing in Japanese, or Donnel, who sounds super nasally with Dual-Audio on. Then there’s Noire, who, while a little off-sounding in either language, sounds better in English. Then we have characters like Soleil, who I haven’t heard in Japanese and don’t think I’d like because her English voice just fits her somehow, and Palla, whose English voice for Heroes I promptly fell in love with even though I expected something a little older-sounding, and I’m honestly never going to look up the JP voice for because I found myself liking her in English so much.
I guess I spent a lot more words than I needed to here, but hopefully you got the main gist – it’s not being a “Weeb” it’s stating one’s opinion of the video. Maybe you don’t agree, maybe you do, but just dismissing them all as something they actually don’t qualify as makes it harder for people to take your opinion seriously as well. If you have to call names, perhaps go for “Whiners” – that’s more easily understood, and gives people a chance to react more calmly(for whatever reason, I’ve found calling people “Weebs” tends to just make them really, really pissed off at you) and explain their reasoning behind their opinion.
I guess I must have lower standards because the voice acting sounds fine for me, especially for Alm. Well done.
There wasnt a single bad voice in there. Why are people saying the voice acting is bad? None of these voices are on the level of Selkie, Peri, or “We’ve got trouble”
Genny makes my ears bleed.
She had literally one line, which was fine as far as cutesy female voices go.
Moe voices are the one thing english VAs can’t do.
Because moe voices should never be done.
By english speakers. Ok, point taken, I rather it go die in a corner altogether. Except for the sub of Madoka Magika, which intentionally uses it to subvert expectations, or 2 certain characters from Danganronpa who use it to the same effect.
Not any worse than Genny’s Japanese voice https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/ajjj/characters/index.html?chara=009
Annoying, but it’s as expected, not a bad english replication.
Well Felicia’s fi with her character, Selkie is alright but Peri sounds like she’s in desperate need of a cough drop
Felicias is awful hate it…..Selkie I wish the one that voice Bonnie from PW SoN voiced her, Peri blech….
Felicia’s va imo is pretty good. It’s pretty much only “WE GOT TROUBLE”, even then the more I listened to it, it didn’t turn out so bad.
Don’t forget Effie the apparent She man…
They went for “muscular woman”, when that’s really not Effie. The voice isn’t bad, but it’s NOT Effie.
Yep
Saber has 3 orbs on the dagger, 2 less then the others… with weapons.
wait a minuete… fortify DRAGONS?!
The voices are alright, I dont mind them at all.
I sure do hope there are supports.
Sigh, at least a mute option exists…
Permadeath, now we are talking 🙂
For this kind of game, no way will it be a true kind of permadeath where units are forever dead.
U might have to level up again the unit again in this mode if you die for example, that would be a good punishment.
Do you realize how easy it is to die in this game? Not to mention that you can only bring 4 units, so you might not even have a healer on you. To send you back down to Level 1 or even drop a couple levels is downright cruel still.
Huh, it says Gray has an aloof personality and he’s chatty. Those are pretty contradictory.
Hmm, might be a poor choice of words. It means he’s good at talking and not really attached to anything.
chatty: talks a lot
aloof: doesn’t get close to people
Nothing contradictory there
Who does he talk to then?
Ateleir Faye: Alchemist of the Valentian Deliverance. Nice to see that Hidari’s artwork doesn’t stray too far from her roots, yet they do have that Fire Emblem charm.
Not sure how to feel about the Amiibo mechanics. Having an Einjehar mechanic is weird, especially with it being just another Alm or Celica. It’s redundant. I guess the other amiibo will give items, or maybe include the Hero Battles from Fates.
On the website it says they’ll also give you an ally–a monster-type one–… for one turn. ONE. :/
Hi, Matt Becker from App Trigger here. Rebekah and I have uploaded two new gameplay videos onto Youtube. You can see those plus our write up over on App Trigger at http://apptrigger.com/2017/03/15/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia-pax-east-preview/
Thanks! We are glad to have helped share this new info with you all!
So they want to have an event that features permadeath… but it isn’t actually permadeath? How is that going to work?
I have a theory, but it’s only that. I was thinking that they will set up a series of map, that we have to challenge in sequence (with a select team of units?) and any units that get KO’d in the process won’t be usable in the event for its remainder.
Though honestly, I can’t really see that working any other way (yet). Gonna be interesting to see what they have planned.
Isn’t it something where you can’t use Light’s Blessing to revive fallen units?
Possibly, but I doubt it, seeing as we already have maps that deny the use of that item, so an event of the sort hardly seems new. And if you don’t use the Light’s Blessing in the first place, it would change nothing.
Yeah, but consider this. If we have an actual loss of units if they fall here, and how hard some units are to get, you essentially make yourself lose a unit that you could have spent so much money on for all we know. Such a thing would be absolutely unacceptable and would get Heroes to get a lot of bad publicity. So it has to be those maps like Arena battles where you cannot use Light’s Blessing.
I never suggested ‘actual’ permadeath. What I am speculating is a special series of (temporary, I didn’t mention that, but seeing as it’s an event, it seems like the logical conclusion) maps where defeated units cannot be used again on those maps specifically. So you could still use those units, just not for those event maps. I realize my wording may have been confusing, so sorry for that.
Believe me, I am very aware of the impact of actual full-on permadeath in Heroes and wouldn’t support it for a second myself. As part of a seperate event, though, and purely isolated to that event, I think that would be fine.
If it was something like a consecutive kind of battle or something, but units that lost cannot be used anymore would be interesting as if you want to keep using those units, you can try using some extra units you don’t use as possible canonfodder while saving your strongest units for last. That would indeed be interesting.
It would also promote the use of units with more longevity and the ones that help others survive, primarily all the healers that are just a little neglected right now.
Actually, aside from Elise, very few healers are that good, mostly because Elise has mobility and can heal 15 points of damage, and her special raises attack power by 4 points.
I’m aware of that, that’s why I say they are neglected. Though I did not know Elise was the generally favoured healer. I personally thought the ones with Rehabilitate were typically the most useful due to how much they could potentially heal. From low to full in a single turn seems really strong. And on that note, at first glance, I’d probably say Priscilla, who combines Rehabilitate with 3 movement. Fear also seems more useful than Slow, though the latter has a niche with a Draw Back user.
I found Elise to be pretty useful, probably cause she was the first 5* hearler I got in my team, and the second one I leveled up to 40. But she is pretty good, as her attack can actually do some form of damage to some units, meaning that she does have some offensive power, and Gravity works quite well in reducing unit movement if used right. And her Special Skill when healing makes you be able to give 4+ attack to all units, which is always helpful since the other units are essentially the attacker. Not to say that the additional 10 points heal special skill is bad, because that would be very useful, especially for Physic users.
This is my opinion: You play the “pemadeath maps” with your 4 units team (Exemple: Marth, Robin, Camilla and Takumi). And then, Robin died in a battle. Now, you can not use that Robin in the “pemadeath maps”. If you want to use Robin, you need to have another Robin, a different one.
So, if your unit die in theses maps, you can not use this unit anymore… in this mode, of course. This unit will be blocked, not be allowed to fight in this mode again.
The game’s events takes place in the year 401? Hmm… the timelines article I found on this web site says Marth’s games and Gaiden take place in the 600s, so does this mean Echoes has retconned when Alm and Celica’s quests take place? If so–and assuming the placement of Marth’s games didn’t change with the remakes–then it would be a little tough to explain how Palla, Catria, and Est would be running around with Alm and Celica. On the other hand, it gives a little more leeway to how Falchion could’ve hopped between two continents without anyone knowing (assuming Falchion is even still in Echoes; there’s a chance they replaced it with a completely different weapon).
I don’t think this’ll be a big deal in the long run, but unless they changed Falchion to a different sword and replaced the pegasus trio with different characters, we’ll have some continuity issues to work out. ^_^;;
The calendar used in this game is probably different than the ones used in the Archanea games, since it refers to itself as the Valentian calendar, and starts when the concept of a calendar was introduced to that continent.
Different calendars would explain a few things regarding the pegasus trio, but not so much the bouncing Falchion (as amusing an image as that is). That bit of continuity weirdness was there in the original version of Gaiden, but again, it’s easily fixed with a simple name change. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. 🙂
The FE1/FE3/FE:A Falchion is one Falchion as they all function the same, are said to be the same, etc. The weaker Falchion in SD is another Falchion as it’s obviously different. And, the FE2/SoV Falchion is yet another as it both functions differently–seals a goddess, has no starspheres–and is never said to be the same that I can recall.
With the Japanese subtitle being “Another Hero-King”, I think they’ll keep it as “Falchion” to continue drawing parallels with Marth.
As mentioned, the Falchion isn’t a unique weapon in the series and there can be more than one at a time. Whether through timey wimey shenanigans or just breaking a tooth from a dragon’s jaw.
There were two Falchions. Alm’s Falchion is just like Marth’s Falchion, except a different wielder. They’re two seperate swords with the same name and purpose.
The Amiibo data…that doesn’t look good for my hopes of Roy’s Amiibo doing SOMETHING in a Fire Emblem game. Nonetheless, I still cling desperately to the hope that they haven’t forgotten our boy.
Also, yay for an updated look for everyone so they don’t look…like they used to. That was…I still have nightmares about some of the old portraits…*shudder*
The character artwork looks so cool!
THESE VOICES ARE GREAT
Animations are awkward, but the voices. Great.
Between the food and the attributes, gameplay looks reaaaally wonky but I’m still interested.
Kamui from a distant nation, huh? Say’ri’s ancestor perhaps?
Abit worried that alm’s pegasus seems to be missing could she have been removed?
She’s probably still there. Ctrl + F “Clair” in the article.
The Milas gear is definitely gonna be good for dangerous risky actions.
Aww, the female Mages still promoted to Priestess, I was hoping that they could get promoted to Sage classes like the male Mages do.
Mila’s Gear: Literally the Chariot system from Tactics Ogre.
Where do I sign up for the Rigelian Empire? The Church of Duma, perhaps?
“Poor harvests caused the food-stocks of the Rigelian Empire to run dry. Rigel’s request for assistance from Zofia were met with rejection. Rudolf I himself led the troops to invade Zofia. Rigel and Zofia entered all-out war.”
So basically this is what Fates should have been but wasn’t.
I bought Conquest first because this is what I thought it would be. Before the end of Chapter 6 I realized that was a mistake. rEGRET
To think that the story we all expected Fates to deliver would be brought to us by an expansion of an NES game.
Then again the development for this game was kept under wraps really well and wasn’t hindered by stupid decision making.
… Still no Tellius.
OTL
Not a designated focus yet, but seeing as how I run a Sanaki, I’m pretty sure there’s Tellius characters.
Awww, I really liked Berkut’s design. Too bad he’s most likely going to be en enemy, I would have put him on my squad.
So now that this feature is live, I am curious what sort of new, interesting, gimmicky or potentially broken inheritance options people have found. Slapping Close Counter/Distant Counter and Vantage onto everything remotely combat-competent is one idea, and I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty of Life&Death and Fury being thrown around as well. That’s viable and legit, sure, but that’ll be kinda boring, so I was hoping people would share some (more interesting?) ideas.
If anything, a few things I thought of was passing Escape Route or Wings of Mercy to certain units, specifically dancers/singers/healers. The *raven tomes would be great to override any others without bonuses or *blade for countering Takumi or other colorless. *wolf tomes would also be another great choice for anti-cavalry. Breakers to improve one’s effectiveness against what they are already strong against can help, especially if they are slow like Effie. You already brought up Vantage, there’s also Quick Riposte that could achieve the same, or similar at least. Beyond that, maybe things that can boost a unit’s low stats like +Defense as the images above showed, or to just fill an empty slot. Hana’s been incredible for me, 1-shots Hector, I’d like to replace her Obstruct skill since that is completely out of place on her, so Pass may be an option, Desperation would be good too if she’s already low on HP, and Threaten Spd/Def/Atk would fill the void and give her better odds of killing or surviving. Any Threaten would be good on most units to weaken enemies as they are baited. Hone/Fortify could further increase the gap and almost guarantee victory. As for healers, transfer to them Rehabilitate and Recover and switch as necessary, warp healing, different Balms, Defiant or + Def/Res for durability. That’s all I can think of right now, not too many unique combinations.
I was also thinking that skills like Swap and Pivot are probably great for the armour knights as a pseudo movement increase, and the ability to inherit Goad/Ward, etc skills would allow one to customize a team of units of a specific movement type, even more so with soon-increased availability of the shield skills (like Michalis, who will no doubt carry Iote’s Shield. Suddenly, a team of fliers doesn’t just die outright at the mere sight of Takumi).
Very true, did not think of Pivot since I don’t use it nor do I use armored too often because of the 1 move. For something like the missions with “Beat X using 4 armored” it would be incredible to have all of them with Pivot, just flying across the map… Assuming there is space to do so, in which case Shove or Smite may help just as well. I have used Effie to Smite units across the lava and water tiles on certain maps. Pivot would also allow a knight to move in front of anyone that might have taken too much damage and they can immediately facetank a good hit or two (but I’ve always had knights too far away for that to happen thanks to the 1 move). I’ll certainly look into all of it more, just need more units now (and to not send home duplicates any more, but there goes some feather income).
Wings of Mercy on SURPRISE, EFFIE.
I plan on sticking a defiant skill on my 5 star Nino for that beautiful +7 atk, and maybe desperation. The only problem is making sure she doesn’t get 1hkod.
Miracle is pretty much the only way Nino would survive anything. She’s one of the Glassiest Cannons there is.
I was thinking about GaleForce – sure, it takes a freakin’ 5 actions to charge, but assuming it isn’t locked to Lyn/Cordelia that’s an option, especially for someone like Roy, who doesn’t seem to get any sort of battle Skill as far as I can see. Admittedly, you’re sacrificing Lyn for Roy, which a lot of people I know would say is a bad idea, but that’s a thought. Another thing you could do is give Olivia/Azura a battle Skill like Luna(Night Sky) so they have more offensive power. Also trying to figure out how I can get my Sakura to be better, so if anyone’s got a suggestion, mine is at 4S right now with almost all available Skills already unlocked.
The real question: Can I get rid of my Alfonse/Sharena/Anna to give their decent Skills to a Unit that I’ll actually use? I’m assuming no, but still have fingers crossed.
My only regret about Inheritance was that I pulled a second 5S Camilla and used it to boost my other Camilla – definitely would have saved her if I’d known ahead of time because Brave Axe/Draconic Gaze.
You can’t get rid of Alfonse/Sharena/Anna. Ever. Trust me, I checked.
Remember that you can also have a unit inherit a skill for a slot they already have occupied. Now, Roy does have a unique weapon, of course, but otherwise, as far as sword units are concerned, even without skills, he’s got stiff competition. So yeah, personally, I wouldn’t soon use lose Lyn for Galeforce on him (if I had either in the first place). Unless you really like Roy’s Binding Blade, I feel it may be more worthwhile building up another sword unit.
That’s my personal opinion, though. Maybe you really like Roy, in which case, more power to you. After all, with in Inheritance, you can make pretty much anyone worthwhile. Maybe not the best, but hey.
Sacrifice Wrys to give his Whole-Party Heal to Sakura. So now she can heal at range as well as the entire party.
The sad thing is that Close Counter and Distant Counter belong only to Takumi and Hector respectively, and the odds that you’d actually want to get rid of them is nil. You’d have to get multiple Hectors and Takumi and then use them up.
I love that they example they gave us was Eliwood passing skills to Roy. Possible hint at a FE6+7 Echoes remake?
…nope.
No but it would be a cool implementation for Roy and Lilina!
Maybe – I think either Genealogy will get a redo first as it’s the next oldest game(plus nobody at Nintendo loves Roy as far as I can see), or we’ll get an English version of New Mystery of the Emblem, but after that, Binding Blade’s the only Japan-exclusive, plus even Nintendo should be able to see how much fans would pay to get to play Roy’s story legally, and not even just FE fans at that – the only reason I got into Awakening was because I wanted to know more about the two new guys from Smash Bros.(Lucina and Robin), so it stands to reason that the same rule would apply to Re:Binding Blade.
FE 6+7 only makes so much sense. they could get tactitian/mark as an actual playable charecter and it wouldn’t change much, and they could work with the children mechanic for FE6 charecters and actually introduce more charecters for desendents of FE7 charecters. and people loved FE4’s childern mechanic.
Genealogy’s 2-Gen mechanic is why I think it’ll be next for a remake instead of them fusing Roy and Eliwood’s stories into one game next – that was part of why a lot of people liked Awakening and Fates so much. Frankly, I doubt we’ll ever see New Mystery in English outside of fan-translations, but it is still an option. Either way, whichever we get probably isn’t coming for a couple years since they’re working on FE for the Switch right now.
I think we’ll see new mystery eventually.
Skill inherit broke the game. U can literally inherit anything
Almost. For instance, special weapons like Falchion, Durandal, Armads, etc are character-specific, and some skills are specific to certain types of units. A Dragon cannot inherit Svalinn Shield. A Cavalier cannot inherit Goad Fliers. A ranged attacking unit cannot inherit Knock Back. Just a few examples of exceptions.
Still, we’ll have to see how broken units can really get. And who knows, if any unit does get outrageously broken, perhaps we’ll get rebalancing measures to compensate. Maybe.
I mean that part is obvious
The rebalancing measure is presumably arena matchmaking, but we need more details to know for sure. They made it sound like they’d heavily rate skills in matchmaking now. That would be nice if they do it well. A good matchmaking system would also allow them to more fairly reward points on factors like value difference between you and your opponent, survival and time to clear rather than just strict point value of your opponent and survival like they do now.
To me, they’d need to both make the good matchmaking and re-work rewarded points like that in order to fix the system entirely. Beyond that, the only hope would be proper use of the tier system so everybody with broken stuff gets cordoned away in higher tiers over time.
The voice is decent. Not as good as Awakening highs, but at least not as low as Fates. It looks like there will be more voiced lines in Echoes than the previous game.
“No cost… other than the Hero” wait wait wait, your hero gets DELETED from giving their skill to someone else???
Yes. Otherwise it would just be entirely too easy to just giver everyone Vantage and Vengeance.
How else would you have inheritance work? The demand for Orbs/Feathers is high enough as is, and without some sort of cost, I feel like the game would just explode.
I figured it would involve deleting the skill from the other unit
So, is Celica a pre-promote, or is she just in a “special” version of the Priestess class?
She’s a lord basically, so she’s not a prepromote.
Suddenly, a shower of orbs. I can live with this. …Now if I’d actually pull something decent for once, then it’d be truly great.
Ugh seriously, Ive had 3 crap rounds of draws in a row.
At least inheritance means that nobody is really truly useless anymore.
It’s true, I’ve got a use for everyone now.
I suppose right now the issue more than anything is getting 5-star units, either through direct pull or upgrading them there. 20K Feathers is still a lot, and I feel constantly compelled to use my feathers on 3-star units to upgrade them into 4-star ones, because a lot of them can be good, and even more now that inheritance is a thing, seeing as many only get their valuable skills from 4-star on.
Well, they can’t screw up three times in a row, can they?
Here’s to hoping.
>doesn’t like new Fire Emblem
>keeping up with Fire Emblem news
????
Crazy, isn’t it? 🙂
Perhaps not all older fans have given up on the series and this site just yet,
eventhough new fans here behave rude.
>NEW fans are the rude ones
??????????
Yes. You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the new games.
Some old fans might behave frustrated at times because one of their favourite series went off track, but the respone to mere criticism is pretty awful.
You’d be amazed how many times I’ve seen fanatics bash on and slander people for not liking the old games, no matter go good of a reason they have. Some new fans might be frustrated at times because they’re being treated like they’re doing something wrong by having fun, but the response to having different taste is pretty awful.
It’s like crying wolf–so much of the so-called criticism of newer games is just plain stupid that it’s no surprise some people have stopped listening to it altogether. But seriously, if you hang around the blogs and such of newer fans, you’ll see they have plenty of criticism about what wasn’t good and what could have been handled better. “Not being able to handle criticism” is something I’ve only ever seen coming from older fans.
Wow! I did well getting Anna to 4 stars, she will see some use on my arena score! Wait, wait… I also have Ursula, Rebecca and Fir… this time I can make a team of all focus heroes for the first time!
u actually only need 1 to get the bonus points adding more will not increase the bonus
Whoever these developers are… bless them
So for anyone who have played the original game, is it ever a good idea to give mages a melee weapon? I know shields is a better option but I like a hybrid betweem melee and magic.
I started to level up Ursula for the Arena, and I gave her Felicia’s skill: Glacies, which bost her attack with 80% of her Resistence, and… OhmiGosh, she is amazing! Too bad that Blarwolf is only Mt 6, but at least it is good against cavalry.
I was pretty close to putting feathers to up my 3-star Corrin to a 4-star, so the free unit is nice.
The answer is obviously Sable Knights; duh!
Dang it, I have a class then. 15 minutes later or 30 minutes earlier and I could.
Go to the bathroom to play it.
That’s not something you do in college classes, because then you’re screwed because you miss stuff.
5:15pm PST? …..might be able to swing an early lunch to at least get hard done but definitely try lunatic if I can
12:15 PM Monday, in Greenwich Mean Time is 5:15 AM PST Monday
realized that while I was at work >.> so set my alarm and hope I wake up and stay awake to do it
do it for the feathers! owo)b
The event begins at 11:15am GMT, not 12:15pm GMT. It will begin 55 minutes from now.
Yeah I missed it because I went to bed and did not see the one line of bold text that said the time changed
Meanwhile I’ll just be waking up… Thank you school for getting me up early!
In the middle of my shift damm, well I can always go to the restroom xD
MOAR ORBS!!!
Yay i https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cbb1f64067e7a138c5e9e556c9884ebe472391385ef617db18044e9b217342eb.png got the 4* with this team 😉
Well glad we were able to get it but am sad that I was unable to contribute because I failed to see the updated time D:
My team (cleared Lunatic on first attempt after using Hard to scout the map), plus suggestions for non-randomly obtained substitutes:
1. Narcian (4* Max Level) baited and ORKO’d the lace pegasus, also killed the lace soldier on the left. 3* version can probably handle this since he shouldn’t need all 3 ranks of Lancebreaker to do his job. In my strategy, Narcian’s role as a flying green who can ORKO the lance pegasus — without baiting anything else in the process — was not replaceable by other free units, so hopefully you have him or a good substitute (you could consider baiting Michalis instead, if you have a red flier).
2. Takumi (5* Max Level) killed the other pegasus, though any decently leveled archer should work fine (Virion is available for free, and I believe Gordin will be featured in the upcoming Focus if you dismissed or transferred the former).
3. Tharja (5* Max Level) easily ORKO’d Michalis. Sadly, the free, neutral-natured Raigh and Sophia won’t be fast enough to double Michalis without skill transfers (need at least 32 speed), so field a refresher — Ninian, or Azura, or the free Olivia — to help either of those two, field a different, faster mage, or use another strategy. Remember that Michalis isn’t weak to bows thanks to Iote’s Shield.
4. Marth (5* Max Level) handled the sword cavalier on the left and was basically filler for my team. If you don’t have a reliable way to ORKO Michalis, this spot could be used for Olivia, who is available today (March 20) in the Special Maps, or another refresher. If you field Raigh in slot 3, he should able to deal with the sword cavalier with Olivia’s help, assuming Rauðrwolf doesn’t OHKO.
3 star Narcian under Lv 32 can also do this work perfectly.
GUess I’ll go for GS preorder until I can get it from somewhere better.
So it was worthwhile to wait with the preorderering. Now to wait for it to pop somewhere.
GS preorders already sold out. Such bs.
Go in store, that is how I was able to get mine.
It was up for at least 2 hours, which is a bit of an improvement. I was able to snag one, but I’m hoping I’ll be able to snag one from amazon and save a good $20
I was able to pre-order the limited edition bundle in my GS
Lol was sold before I even woke up whatever it’s not like it has a 3 in 1 cartridge
I’ve already preordered my copy of FESoV so preordering again would be a waste, besides it’s not like it’ll even be in stock for more than a few minutes before the scalpers get to them.
You can just cancel your old preorder…
I did it on Amazon though and I can already tell I’m not gonna get a special edition open in time, scalpers are fast.
Oh, true. Don’t let that stop you from trying, though. Unless you don’t want it that much, in which case you should just save yourself the trouble.
Kay, I’ll keep trying
I’m messed up about the guy pronounced it as “val-en-TEE-uh” when, considering the alternate spelling is Valencia, by all means it should be “val-EN-shia”
Given how many names get changed entirely, something like that isn’t even worth blinking at…
Was able to preorder In store at gamestop 5 hours after it sold out online. Might want to give them a call.
I want to know what kind of skill you get from shields.
There had better be a Delphi Shield-type one to protect your fliers from the obscene bow range.
Pretty sure bows didn’t deal extra damage to fliers in Gaiden.
The basic Bow didn’t, but equippable ones did.
Right, it’s been a while since I played it.
Amazon is up right now
https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Emblem-Echoes-Shadows-Valentia-Nintendo/dp/B06XRSXJNG/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1490200045&sr=1-2&keywords=fire%2Bemblem%2Bechoes&th=1
GS was willing to let me switch my preorder from the SV to the LE over the phone, but I couldn’t preorder the Amiibos that way, so I left work a few hours early to get that done. The guy said I was the third preorder to switch to the limited edition, but it and the Amiibo dual pack were still available.
I really hope that the summoning for “one turn” is a typo or something… It seems like making a whole character animation for one turn of Marth, Ike, etc is a bit of a waste and a letdown. Perhaps one map or match, instead of one turn?
Eh, went for the regular edition with amiibo’s. Artbook and pins would be nice to have but I’ve been through the whole absurd, obsessive freak-out agony that is hoping for stock to come back (and that game turned out to suck so… so badly). Energy that doesn’t need to be spent.
Where was it shown that the Gold Dagger only has 1 Mt?
In the footage released by Rebekah Valentine from apptrigger.com, the actual PAX East trailers, Saber was running around with it on a map of Celica vs Terrors and Grieth’s crew
Congrats, Coatl!
This remake is so gorgeous!! These scenes in the game are amazing and clean!
Hmm, those Lunatic Quests don’t seem so bad. And unlike another recent set of quests, these don’t demand you do the same thing 5, 10 or even 15 times. This is pretty easy by comparison. And in total, that’s 20 orbs in all. Thank you kindly! And those 10 extra stamina potions make the process that much quicker and less painless, if you want to use them for this. I think I’ll save my orbs for the next banner, though.
Echoes looks great so far, but I think we knew that already.
You manage to get through 9-5? I managed to get through the others with some difficulty, but this last one is the toughest, since I need to bring an axe user, but hardly anyone seems suited to fight.
I just love how completely nucking futs Slayde looks.
I’d actually like it if there wasn’t a supportsystem this time.
Makes things too easy.
Kind of wish Heroe’s would produce more time-consuming story-content. (I know they said they’ll update the story every 2 weeks and yes I’ve played other gacha games before). Because while its normal for banners to be up for like 2 weeks, typically when new stuff comes around the events that follow take up that amount of time. (This is from previous experience from Fate Grand Order and GrandBlue Fantasy)….because basically Heroe’s just gives us a new banner but only paralouges that can be finished in 1-2 days. Leaving the remaining 12-13 days of boredom and grinding. Or when they last updated the story like a week ago it was only one brief xenologue…..like I kind of expected to get a full chapter (5 battles)….but….yeah….we waited that long for just one chapter with one battle. I would be fine with the way they’re currently doing things if instead of having 2 weeks of Blazing Shadows it was instead 10 days….considering I finished the paralogues in one day.
Plus they’re really taking too long to update these characters. Considering they have all of these games to utilize they’re releasing new characters at a snails pace (again, I know they basically want it every 2 weeks. That means that we’ll only get like 28 new banners in a full year. At the very minimum if there’s 4 new characters per banner that means 112 characters a year. Not counting that they literally will take a break from new characters to do a rate up of existing characters whenever we have a grand battle…..so what I’m saying is that they’re able to stretch this content out for years (I’m guessing they want to so they’re able to somehow incorporate the new FE that’s coming out on Switch).
I mean hell, I’m not saying just release a full games worth of characters at once. What I’m saying is that at least change things up by replacing some existing characters with newer -not as important to warrant their own banner- characters. Like would it kill them to replace Virion with like….Will from FE7? Neimi from FE 8? Or hell, even give us the same characters but as different colors to go along with class changing. Like instead of having red Stahls, give us a blue Stahl…..ugh.
So this can be summed up that while Heroes has been generous with the amount of freebies they’re giving out, they’re still working at a snails pace. They need to create content that is able to last as long as the banners they release. Not give us 2 weeks of the same new characters while only giving us paralogues that can be completed in a day.
Inb4 someone tells me that there’s still stuff to do in that game. Because oh yeah, just arena grinding for feathers is “So Fun” If it wasn’t for these new quests I would be bored as hell. Difference is that these missions are being played on already existing chapters so its not anything new. After the April updates come in they really need to take a look at the actual story and work on that.
But I’ve been spending money on this game so its not like I’m stopping anytime soon. I just hope there’s more for me to do than just to log in at night and get my orbs, do 3 arena battles, and do random orb quest grinding.
The art for the Amiibo characters is amazing, no offense to the last guy but Hidari does a FAR better art style for this series.
I’m sure mostly everyone agrees with you there including me I hope she stays and does more! 🙂
… Sigh… so any idea how to beat 9-2 – 9-5 on Lunatic? Because I am having a shitty hard time winning without losing any comrades. Its like you HAVE to use the Light’s Blessing to win.
Oh man that Kellam card. Whoever came up with that idea deserves a raise!
It’s about time Aless and Lene were finally released. One of the most underrated couples in the series ever. I like how you see Bramsel perving in the background of Lene’s. They really went bold on Lene’s design.
And hooray it looks like the subs are getting cards after all!
Also I really like how they made Kellam’s holographic. That’s a nice touch.
any word on the next batch of new characters?
Not yet, I think. We don’t get the next focus for a week, so we’ve got time. The current one ends on the 30th.
Cool just have 120+ orbs sitting on the burner since I got all the quests done and now just have to resist temptation to summon until new people XD
I’m in the same boat! I saved a lot for the last new banner but all I wanted was Ninian, and I was lucky enough to get her with ~40 Orbs left. I don’t really care much for the Michalis banner either, so now I’m sitting at 130 Orbs, twiddling my thumbs. Hoping we get something cool next week!
I want to roll for more units, but I already have three of these characters.
They pack some useful skills for inheritance at least. Eliwood’s Axebreaker and Ward Cavalry, Selena’s Triangle Adept and Reposition, Gordin’s Brave Bow and Vantage, and Minerva’s Life&Death and Ward Fliers (and she’s a solid unit in her own right). All skills that I’d personally find spots for on other units with ease. I’d happily get any of them for that.
aw i thought i could get 4 michalis
Seeing this couple grow is gonna be a treat for me especially what they can do at the end of the game!
The illusory hero models look so creepy…
*Sobs because we’re going to have to wait another game for Roy to mean anything to any Fire Emblem player who isn’t into Smash Bros.*
This is very good news, crossing my fingers so the supports and story are good.
old fashioned supports huh? I’m game as long as they don’t have a maximum support point per map like back in the day, save for maybe one support per map.
As long as we don’t go back to having an arbitrary cap on supports per character per run, I’m totally fine with this.
“healing provides exp”
“gba style support convos”
yeeaaaAAAAHHHHH
The game looked so awesome at Dutch Comic Con. <3 Too bad it was on easy though, it was a breeze to play through if you played any Fire Emblem game before. I was still really happy to play it, and there wasn't even a line. I was able to start playing the moment I arrived at the stand.
Did they show what this Rinean girl looks like during at the Dutch Comic Con? I did heard someone mentioned it the she gives the player with the Azura vibes and she is the girlfriend or fiancee of Berkut.
Haven’t seen her. I also skipped all story stuff because spoilers. I also barely used any units aside from Alm and Clive because Alm could tank everything and Clive becauseof his movement. So I honestly barely even remember what units I was able to use. ;p
I don’t think those count as spoilers if it’s in the demo.
These are great changes, especially the unit placement! I know I had been screwed over on a few maps simply because my units were in the wrong spots… >_<
Just imagine that map that places 2 units at bottom left and 2 top right. Won’t get screwed as hard there
Or the one that puts just one in the room that would normally have Ryoma. That one sucks when you get your squishy Nino stuck in there with nowhere to run.
It only was bad when certain in-closed a unit really. Otherwise, it
hardly matters when your whole team isn’t in the danger zone since enemies don’t move until you’re close. (Arena a different story)
All of these are big YES-ses. Starting positions should’ve been a thing from the start. This will take a LOT of RNG-screwage out of the game. Especially in a game where movement range is so small, this can be absolutely crucial to the outcome of a battle.
Increased Stamina Pool is also long overdue. Stamina is EASILY the most complained-about aspect of the game, especially since literally just TWO runs of the later story maps would already consome almost the entire gauge. The increased gauge should make it a lot more forgiving, and it buffs up the value of stamina potions as well. Better be saving those till the update hits.
Increased EXP for lower-star units? …To be honest, it’s not the first thing I’d have thought of, but it is a logical change, since these weaker units are in fact harder to train. I welcome the change.
Most definitely. It was annoying going into battle, only for my placement to be so bad that I get screwed over. This should have been the thing that was given from the start. Not being able to change placement is really bad.
My god, how this will make using the stamina up so much easier. Like, now I don’t have to worry that I gotta wait forever, and if the stamina reaches 50, then it won’t continue and if I’m working, that’s stamina points that could be recovering being lost. XP
Good thing I have all that stamina potions saved.
Given how little we get 5* units, and get a lot more lower* units, this is good.
That is impressive.
I can understand that stamina and exp are concepts that needed some testing and feedback before being updated, but I feel like the ability to arrange your units prior to battle should’ve been included from the beginning.
So with all these new changes coming up, hopefully they start working on the story and events to be more….impactful? Like having 99 stamina to use is nothing if there’s nothing to spend it on since at this point I don’t need to train any of my units and I just do 3 arena battles a day. When they updated the story last time I kind of expected to have more than just one xenologue chapter. Even these banners take too long to change. While gacha games do have banners for 1-2 weeks, they create content to go along with the banner that’ll help players be occupied (like Fate G/O and GrandBlue). But them just creating short paralogues that can be completed in a day is wasteful since the remaining 13 days are spent in boredom or random grinding. But seriously, is there a place fans can actually write their concern about this game to the creators?
MarkyJoe is that you?
How much I want this to be our 4th place winners.
I wish they released some more footage, but oh well.
Pretty certain those are Marth and Eirika. Could be wrong, though.
Its Camilla and Chrom along with Lucina and Xander for Spring costumes.
Yea, NoA tweeted it, and then deleted the tweet after. so pretty safe to say those are the 4.
Holy crap that video they released…..Xander sounds so gay XD. But I got to say….at least they’re rocking those outfits
I had a feeling that wasn’t Lucina. But she’s in the banner anyway. Interesting. I like the new weapon types.
Hoping that Chrom turns out to be a decent axe user. I’m low on green units. To any neigh-sayers, you would be surprised. Some alternate outfit characters tend to be better than their original counterparts (well at least with my experience with Fate Grand Order). These all may be gag characters but there’s potential for them to fit within your team (or just use them for skill sacrifices if you’re into that).
Great time to be a Lucina and Camilla fan als Lucina has 2 special outfits on the way!
Man this is cringe af.
I’ll say it again the CG art is amazing also these minor changes from the original is a welcome addition!
One word; HYPE!!!
HYYYYYPE
The sprite for the male Sage looks weird. It looked like they’re wearing a bulky dress lol. I’m disappointed with Shield skill.
Also, glad to see they aren’t going to fan-service this up.
Hoping for more remakes in the future.
IMO that’s very unlikely if SWITCH is the target console since that’s going to be expensive to make. 3ds is possible assuming Nintendo doesn’t pull the plug next year.
Tellius series is made for home consoles though, so it might still be a possibility?… praying… I grew up with those games ;-;
Tellius wasn’t a remake though. It was a new game. A remake on a home console is very risky.
Not really
You mean to say like how there hasn’t been a remake of an FE game on a Nintendo’s home console? You have no precedent to back up your claim. Tellius is also one of the worse selling FE game.
You have no clue what your talking about when it comes to making a game on anything stop making up stuff because you don’t want it….
You’re the one who couldn’t accept the precedents. No remake so far on consoles. The 2 FE game on a home consoles are gigantic flops. What happened to WiiU again? Flop. A home consoles asset require far more time and money than a handheld. Would you really think Nintendo would waste that kind of resources on an FE remake on a home console? Not even the best selling Wii got a FE remake. What makes you think SWITCH can hold a candle with those Wii sales?
Tellius-like sales here we come with the transition to SWITCH!!!
Isn’t the switch a handheld and console hybrid? So they’ll be making a game for both console and handheld play. FE switch is already announced so that means they have been working on a FE engine for that platform which they can regurgitate for future fe games on switch. Asset creation would obviously be more expensive to produce than 3ds ones but Nintendo is surely going to want IS to buff up the switch library.
Remakes don’t seem that unlikely if echoes does well enough and the series’ popularity continue to grow, especially considering that they can sell it to both old and new fans (and how Nintendo as a whole love remakes lol). This may not be the case before but the fire emblem brand has certainly gained more recognition throughout the years and it would be a good idea to use previous games as groundworks for future projects.
Of course I feel like they would remake fe4 (which has a large following in Japan) first before hd remastering Tellius but who knows. Right now we’re just hyping about what we have so far with echoes: SoV, fe switch etc, which is already pretty swell.
Don’t bother their making no facts to their attempted argument….
Your making yourself look more rediculous just stop….also using the WiiU as a attempted argument is laughable marketing is everything not what the console is plus soon Pokemon’s gonna follow suit as well.
I don’t see what is risky about it…
You do know the difference of a home console and a handheld right? The cost alone to make it won’t justify the remake. Ever wonder why MonHun stayed on 3ds/PSP ? Not to mention Tellius is also one of the worst selling FE game and guess what it’s on a home console.
I thought they didn’t put Monster Hunter on consoles most of the time, because local play was so important to it, especially in Japan. Same thing with the core Pokémon games, and why they haven’t appeared on a console before. The Switch would solve that issue, though.
Of course, costs is probably also part of the equation, but I doubt that’s the sole reason.
Ok. I see your points and they are problems that can occur. I do believe, however, with Fire Emblem’s new popularity, cost won’t be an issue anymore. Really NONE of the fire emblem games sold well before awakening, so that’s probably why there was never a remake. I assume with the series revival, there will be more room to experiment and make a remake or two.
I believe that Nintendo will have lower expectations with the transition to Switch( the damn console alone cost a lot).
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a remake in the Fire Emblem Switch engine a few years after that is released.
Where are you basing that? All remakes have been on handhelds since they are cheaper to make. With how awful Tellius sold they better thread carefully with this one.
All the remakes are on handheld because all the remakes were made after they switched to handheld only. And “cheaper to make” also applies to making games in an existing framework, which is why i suggested it would come after Fire Emblem Switch.
And then there is the fact i think of the Switch as a handheld too.
IMO it’s too early to judge that. Japan is not that fond of home consoles. Nintendo should expect lower sales with the transition to Switch not mention the probability of Switch being another WiiU 2.0 which means lack of 3rd party support.
Gee, a guy who conceals his identity behind a mask??? I wonder who else did that(Sirrius, Black Knight, Mysterious Man, Lucina). Still, I wonder who this guy is….
It’s not Camus/Zeke that’s for sure (no sarcasm).
I have to say, I’m kind of disappointed by this set. Maybe they’ll turn out to be strong, but wen in that case it would be weird to put one of these four on your team. Im not really against alternate artwork as a concept, but I’m not a fan of these four.
A flying mage ought to be fairly nifty. Now if only they’ll finally give us some bow knights and perhaps Kinshi Knights later on.
Also- pretty funny that we get this joke Xander before the actual Xander.
I can’t decide. Do I spend my precious orbs and pull? Or do I not pull. I don’t particularly care for any of them, but Camilla is currently the only mage flier, and Lucina and Chrom both have at least one very useful skill in Swift Sparrow (I’d pass that on through inheritance for sure) or Axe Experience (which would just be an incredible long-term investment for training up Axe units). Xander… looks like dead weight, though. I’m completely F2P, so I don’t want to just throw in my orbs at the first opportunity I get.
I’m honestly glad they are event exclusive so I never get one in a random pull. Looks like I’ll have a ton of orbs in 2 weeks when the next one hits.
well had a fair amount of luck on this one and got everyone and a few others fairly easily. However with my track record in mind that means I’m getting jack shit for the next 2 banners I try for.
Oh, they’re supposed to be anonymous? That’s awkward – I put my name on mine.
got chrom and xander from 80 stones
Camilla was my first green 5 star.
Bunny Camilla is now my second.
63 stones and my very first pulls were 5-stars: Cordelia, Julia, & Abel. All in a row. Everything else was pretty much either ass or straight up skill inheritance material. But I’ll take what I can get. I’m just happy I now don’t have to spend 20,000 feathers on upgrading my 4 star Abel
Well, I’m glad this game allows players like me to use Light’s Blessing in Chapter 9 on Lunatic mode, otherwise I never would’ve earned Orbs.
I got my 5-Star Bunny Camilla, but I didn’t get my 5-Star Bunny Lucina, instead I got my 5-Star original Lucina. …Yay?
Well, it’s about time they’re gonna add the “Battle Preparations”. Why didn’t they add this part in the first place?!
Reminds me of the ObsidianWasp meme
Is this an April Fool’s joke? It feels like one…
It’s April 1st in Japan, so yeah it is.
Nintendo has traditionally never taken part in April Fools. Most Japanese companies in general don’t as it’s not really a big deal over there.
If this were coming from NoA that’d be one thing, but from NoJ this is most certainly legit.
https://serenesforest.net/2015/03/31/fire-emblem-awakening-gaiden-mars/ just saying…. Also it literally says “Today is April fools day” on the bottom of the page.
You’d be surprised! Japanese companies are most certainly aware of April Fool’s Day. Those that do take part may, in fact, take it further than usual.
Square Enix announced “Tactics Alex” today, a 16-bit parody of the Alexander storyline in Final Fantasy XIV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp18vWZS_iY
Marvelous announced a grandmother character in Senran Kagura: Peach Beach, complete with wrinkles and bikini. http://www.siliconera.com/2017/03/31/get-eye-bleach-ready-senran-kagura-peach-beach-splashs-april-fool-intense/
Looks absolutely “stunning” indeed….
If u scroll to the very bottom it says today is April fools in Japanese
I want this to be real just because it looks so damn clean
Nice try Japan you sneaks I know my April fool days!
Well played sir, well played (;
Well bullocks.
I rather liked this one better than Chrom on Mars! XD
God damnit i actually thought this was real for a minute.
looks better than the usual crap
I hope someone translates that page for the “game.” I can only imagine the hilarity of its content.
The fact they made a whole web site dedicated to this is so extra. I would live if this actually became a Fire Emblem game but all of the content was just hilarious and not taken seriously. Like a satire on FE itself. Would be so meta, bruhhhhh.
Run like Melos, Marth!
The sad thing is I could see it work as a cute vaporware game, kinda like megaman 9-10, if they ever wanted to make it. The shogun spritework made me chuckle.
Nice one, Intelligent Systems.
SO RA NII
AOI
RYUU
SE
IIII
Combining parties is very obvious a thing that’ll happen not because of obvious official pairs for the ending but because of more character interactions that might’ve not happen in the original.
YEEEEES
>Post Game Chapter 6
>Mila’s Gear “peers into the future”
Here come the babs :/
Okay nevermind I was wrong 😀
If this existed, I would not mind buying it and playing it.
If this existed, I would kill someone.
Hmmmmm I’m glad they’re having a post-game chapter, but I wonder what it entails.
I noticed that it is past the ending. So if it’s not a new main villain, is it just a good excuse for children? At least it’s a better excuse than Fates’.
Here’s a little tidbit for ya. It’s not children-related so you don’t have to worry.
Any ideas who to root for? I have no idea…
Camilla is a likely candidate to win the whole thing.
The only other unit I can see possibly having a good chance is Minerva.
What about Cordelia? She seems to have a possible chance.
Ugh, this isn’t like the last one. I knew for sure Lucina would win. Granted, even if she wasn’t a shoe in, I’d choose her, since she’s my fav.
Camillas a shoe in. Trust me. There’s a reason why her and Luci were the two chosen to be bunnies.
Cordelias only claim to fame is that shes in Awakening which the masses idolize.
But in heroes, they messed up her face like Eliwood. And shes not even the favorite in Awakening
Cordelia is very popular, given how she was voted as a top character apart from Tharja. Though for the Heroes poll, Camilla does rank higher. But yeah, Camilla does have the advantage given that she has the bunny outfit, complete with more sex appeal on it.
When the last voting poll was up, I said “the only one who could possibly beat Lucina, prince, princess or otherwise, is probably Camilla.” I still think thats mostly true
I highly doubt that. In all honesty, only girl I can imagine beating Lucina is Lyn. And technically speaking, Lyn DID beat Lucina, in the Heroes Poll.
True, but Lyn is not a princess, not even in the first Voting Gauntlet.
Yeah, I know. But it would have been a close match if they went at it. Like Ephraim and Chrom.
I pick who I actually like and thats My Awakening wife Cherche she, Cordelia, Hinoka and MAYBE Minerva(princess) are popular and has a decent chance but I really don’t care about polls like these too glorified and predictable I pick who I love show IS I care about the other characters!
Oh trust me, I would go for who I love most as well. But unlike the Prince vs Princess one, I don’t have anyone here that I really like. I love Lucina, so of course I chose her. But here, no one really gets me wanting to go for them.
I’d say Minerva, but it’s really your choice. Pick which character you like
So many focusses running at the same time, yet so few orbs to spare (and no, I’m not putting in money). Doesn’t help they decided to cut the login orb bonus now of all times.
Oh my god, the worst Grand Hero battle EVER. And I don’t mean its too hard. No, the opposite. Its too EASY! Didn’t even break a sweat beating everyone. RobinM literally SLAUGHTERED the Ninjas in an instant. Navarre went down quickly, and Lucina cut that axe user down to size. Rebecca could literally take the rest herself as well.
A easy battle for a not that good unit. Navarre is not a good character… I have better sword users than him.
I disagree, but that’s subjective. There are so many sword users, so it’s really up to what you get.
Interesting, unlike last time, each side doesn’t first fight it out amongst themselves. Well then.
I think Camilla is going to crush Hinoka, and I expect Minerva to beat Palla convincingly as well. Subaki vs. Beruka and Cordelia vs. Cherche might be a bit more interesting.
I have a feeling that Camilla will win this round lol, maybe Cordelia will come second.
Cherche lets go she has good chance now! Hinoka might have a decent chance, Subaki bye!, Palla and Minerva are interesting still its gonna be another pointless one which I hate…
So far she did a good job getting so high only thing I care about in these contest is the love each character outside the obvious gets show IS we love the other characters!
Yet another awfully easy GHB. Got it on my second try after I miscalculated the strength of the upper thief on my first go.
Anyway, I’ll be supporting Palla. She was the first unit I got from 3* to 5*, and I also got another 5* on my first orb in this banner, which is nice.
I got it on my first try. Robin was perfect for the job. Even the Lunatic version was easy.
I couldn’t decide, so I literally made my own tournament with the characters… and flipped a coin. Camilla won in the end.
lol yeah. We’re losing kinda hard here though, I seem to have a knack for liking characters the majority don’t.
I like Palla, too. To be honest, I like the characters given, some of them at least, but its just none of them really get my interests up that much. I only chose Camilla cause she won the coin toss. I’d have gone for anyone in the end.
Michalis was op on this map the ninjas do 0x2 to him XD
I got Navarre after beating Hard mode, but there’s no way in HELL I am getting him from Lunatic mode, because Grand Hero Battle Lunatic mode is bullshit!
As for the second Voting Gauntlet? Well, guess who I will be rooting for? A certain Wyvern Rider and a certain princess of Nohr…
Navarre is by far the easiest GHB, though. Have you not even attempted it?
FYI, most of my characters are 4-Stars, especially Kagero and Sophia, and they’re still weak in Lunatic mode. Face it, kid, none of the Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode is easy, never easy at all. So I’d say “Screw the Lunatic Grand Hero Battle”, it messes with our lives, hard!
“Face it, kid…”
Don’t do this.
Kagero is actually stupid good on this map, as all the enemy units are infantry units. Kagero gets effective damage on all of them, so I imagine you could make it farther you may think, with a little bit of strategy. Maybe you can throw in some buffs, or maybe you have a dancer… perhaps you have a sturdy lance unit sitting around for the left end of the map to intercept Navarre?
Besides, it’s only like 15 stamina, making an attempt or two surely won’t hurt that bad. You have something decent to gain, and very little to lose.
I don’t care if it cost low stamina, kid, I’ve had enough with those God forsaken Grand Hero Battles in Lunatic mode, and there’s nothing you can do to make me play those ever again, misguided kid! The Grand Hero Battle against Michalis in Lunatic mode is where I drew the line, I don’t even want to bother playing those tedious Lunatic modes of any Grand Hero Battles, ever again.
So, I’m giving these Lunatic Grand Hero Battles a middle finger salute, f*** Lunatic Grand Hero Battles, f*** it.
Lunatic Navarre is very easy. I used a sword user, a green tome user, a healer and a dancer.
Maybe for you, because you obviously used all 5-Star level 40 characters, while mine are all 4-Star characters who aren’t level 40 and still weak, lucky cheating punk!
You’ve already been presented with a video of someone beating this GHB with purely free 3-star units of level 40. That’s proof that, so long as you put in the time and effort to grind some units up to level 40, and build your team with some care, you most definitely stand a chance in these GHB’s. Doesn’t mean it’s easy, of course, but at some point you have to stop blaming the game’s design and your poor luck, because even that can be overcome.
I beat it using just 4-star Units that weren’t 40 – Roy(34), who as far as I can tell got BADLY shafted in the overall stat department(the level took me about six tries because he kept getting slaughtered on defense), Sakura(36), who isn’t the most tanky healer nor the best attacker for her weapon type, Palla(30), who’s ok at 4-Star I guess, and Kagero(26), who only managed to not die because extra damage against infantry Units for those close shave kills. I would recommend abusing the Inherit Skill option together with the Training Tower for future Grand Hero Battles. I do feel your pain, though, this is the very first Grand Hero Battle I’ve been able to beat, period – I got wiped out against all the others, in part because I still haven’t pulled even a halfway-decent Blue Unit and in part because all my good pulls only happened in like the past couple days.
In stead of responding rudely, you should have just gave him these tips off the bat. (:
How was I being rude??? I literally just asked this person if they’ve attempted the GHB or not, as the opening comment implied they did not, but you really draw conclusions on it without having actually tried it. I’m seriously confused why I’m being accused of rudeness.
So then give him the tips if you knew his statement implied he didn’t complete it. No use in leaving a vauge response, that can be interpreted in multiple ways. Personally, I saw that comment as snarky… I should probably stop being a pessimist though…
Well fine, I accept that first point, and I’ll try to keep it in mind.. I really didn’t mean to come off as snarky or anything of the sort though.
Yea, online its sort of hard to tell peoples actual meaning with any sentence, but reading over, I definitely see your first comment as having little to no snark. Lol, I hate misunderstandings…
A japanese guy is doing all the Grand Hero Battle with the free units at 3*…
Plus as Laggalot said, you have Kagero who helps a lot, just find other teammate to support her better, or unit who handle her counters
Uhp, he cheated, HE F***ING CHEATED! Using two Olivias on his team?! That’s cheating! I don’t believe you!
You’re definitely trolling haha.
I don’t know what you meant by cheating, just look at the video and redo the same strategy, it will work..
He just upgraded his two Olivia (the 1* and the 2*) to get two 3* Olivia.
Plus, if you’re considering using 2 dancer is “cheating”, he did it with another team, and this one does only use 1 Olivia.
The only troll I see is you, childish troll. Nothing you can do can convince me to suffer playing Lunatic Grand Hero Battles. You failed, childish troll, Lunatic Grand Hero Battles are hard AF, and you know it. Ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck losing in the Voting Gauntlet.
For the Whitewings!
…hahahahahahano – I’ll be fighting for Palla, but my hopes aren’t super high for her team. I mean, she has to beat Minerva? Really? And then she’ll have to do better than Beruka, Cherche, and CAMILLA?! Unfortunately, I don’t see how she’ll be able to do better than such fan-favs…but meh. I just binge-read Hasha no Tsurugi, so…can’t know unless we try!
Joined Minerva’s army probably do well until the final were she’ll probably lose to Camilla but Minerva is my favorite of the bunch so it is her banner I wave.
Updates like this are why I regret reading the datamined info 🙁
jk, it was totally worth it
I am loving the character designs! I wonder why they changed Clair’s hair color, though.
Probably because it makes her look more like Clive. After all, they are related.
That makes sense. But take a look at the Whitewing sisters. They’re related, so…
Totally possible for Clive and Clair’s parents to have either blond or red (or blue) hair, btw.
As far as genetics go in early Fire Emblem titles, there really wasn’t much of a reason to change her hair color.
They were always like that, so I don’t think comparing the white wings to Clair is a good idea
I will gladly take base conversations over face petting and marriage.
Hidari’s qt game is on point. Hope they stay as the artist for a couple more games.
I can’t help but appreciate the aesthetic of the character designs in this game, generally being more grounded and modest, especially after some of the designs the more recent games have been putting out. Granted, Fire Emblem has never been terribly much a stranger to characters in questionable attire here and there, but some of the outfits of characters in Awakening and Fates especially were just kind of ridiculous.
If the pattern is still up, she can very well do the character designs of the next remake of fire emblem! I hope they can remade shadow dragon/mystery of the emblem with a better story, focus on certain characters,etc!
I don’t think we need yet another FE1+3 any time soon. And the wish for better story might not be possible at the moment considering their horrible track record for the past two games. Hopefully Echoes’s story is done well enough.
Dang, Berkut’s got a cute fiance.
IKE’S GONNA COME!!!
Yes, he is finally coming 🙂
He better be good. I’m not gonna hold back on the orbs for him.
I believe he will be better … or equal to luciana (sword) and hector (ax). To be honest, at the beginning of the game I only tried to get a 5-star team, after I got it! I’m saving orbs for characters of path of radiance and radiant dawn. (150 orbs now)
Equal more likely. Given how he is in the games, he’ll be a hard hitter with slow movement. Meaning he’s likely to get doubled easily, but he can still tank some blows.
What games are you talking about? If anything, he’s more of a speed unit in Path of Radiance. You sure you’ve played any on Ike’s games? He’s not like he was in Smash and Fates.
Given that we have two different incarnations of Ike, one from PoR and one from RD, and that both will be in the game eventually, I do think PoR Ike will be represented with more balanced stats, with a slight bias towards speed. PoR Ike is actually an exceptionally well-rounded unit. HP and Magic aside for fairly obvious reasons, his stat growths come in at about 45% across the board, and never deviate more than 10% from it; Luck sitting at 35% growth, and Speed at 55%.
Radiant Dawn Ike, though, yeah, he’ll probably be the slow powerhouse type. He’s only got 35% speed growth in that game, though he maintains most of the rest of his growths. Also lower resistance. RD Ike’s Res growth (15%) is pretty poor, compared to PoR’s 40%.
Ah, haven’t done RD yet. Let down they’d change how Ike plays tho
Of course I haven’t. The games are expensive and hard to find. I watched the gameplays instead. I was thinking more on the latter games and Radiant Dawn since that was the last Ike I saw. Since its unlike we’ll get two versions of Ike, we might get the Path of Radiance Ike, since he was the most popular voted male character.
I’m thinking it’s going to depend greatly on the traits of Ike’s weapon. I mean, he’s almost definitely going to end with the Ragnell, which had two effects in PoR. +5 Defense, and the ability to fight at range. I highly doubt they’d make both inherent to the Ragnell at the same time, though if they give him one, I can see them also give him Distant Counter or Def+3 to reflect whatever trait they don’t give the Ragnell.
Best news of the month for me. At that moment I am 150 orb, now reserved for Ike
(Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance – My first and best game I played in the series fire emblem)
Agreed with all points usually bout once a year I still go an play PoR, such a good game. Just hoping Soren, Jill, and Nephenee are in the first wave of Tellius characters.
Cool!
strangely I started playing again (for 9 times) yesterday.
I also hope in the first wave Titania, Shinon, Soren, Nephenee
After Summer that sucks wish all 4 special costumes were sooner oh well at least those looking foward to Ike will like the news I want Micaiah waaaaay more before him!
Yes! About time! And with Ike coming, I think it’s safe to assume that he’ll bring some friends along (and maybe enemies?) as well. Some Greil mercenaries, perhaps? Not holding my breath for Laguz just yet, though I definitely would like to see some of those as well (and I’m very curious how they plan on implementing them whenever they are going to cross that bridge).
It’s odd. These comments are all on the character designs, while here I am wonder why the heck Celica is a ghost. I’ll admit I don’t know Gaiden’s story to the fullest, but what is going on there?
Oh, good. It looks like Ike will be released very soon. But, like all the rare heroes, Ike will be too difficult to summon, guaranteed.
looks like a voodoo doll
Ike needs Wings of Mercy…so he can fly to his friends…and fight for his friends . 3.
they need these on switch then i would get
Calling it now, Camilla will win the Voting Gauntlet, guaranteed.
Game is looking less crappy the more I see it. I’m not a fan of the game mechanics of Gaiden nor do I want them to keep going in that direction after this game, but in the context of just this game I think I can bear with it. I really hope we get a return to form in terms of Radiant Dawn gameplay some day. Or if they decide to remake 4 and 5, I would hope they retain as much of the gameplay there as possible, and not infect it with the new age FE carp.
Ike…
on a bike.
AAAAUGH I COMPLETELY FORGOT THE VOTING GAUNTLET NOOO PALLA WHY?!
Oh look, the Mistress of Fanservice won…was there any reason we even needed to HAVE more than one round? We should have just put “Camilla” and “Everyone Else” and watched what happened…except Camilla still would have won.
Omega here on Disqus thought Cordelia could feasbily win.
I tried to warn the fella.
I know they include over rated popular units so people will participate
But, kina ruins the entire idea of suspense in the voting gauntlet when someones dominating and everyone joins them to win feathers
Actually I do think that the most profitable choice is to choose the one that will go to final, but will lose.
You would get the 500 victory feathers for the first two rounds, and a better local ranking as you have less competition.
In my case, I chosed Minerva:
First round (100 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Second round (500 flags used: ranked top 30k): 1300 + 500
Final round (all flags used: ranked top 5k): 3100 + 0
Overall ranking (top 50k): 1600
Which leads me to 8600 feathers
I have some friends that used the same amount of feather in last round in Camilla’s team, they ended up ranked top 30k, which gives you 2300 feathers + 500 for victory.
Of course, if you play very casually (not earning all flags each round, and not use them all), Camilla is easy 1500 feathers.
But if you try to maximize your profit, finding the 2nd place is the best I think, which is was not an obvious choice at all, as they put Cordelia in the same side as Camilla.
I chosed Ephraim last gauntlet and ended up with 7k feathers as well (but I didn’t played well because of the very tight match vs Chrom)
Or you can be a freak like me (Moosey) vote every half hour without sleep, miss only one or two because your sleep deprived brain forgets, and earn something like 10K feathers 1.5k for the first two rounds, and 7k for the final.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31e7773913dfaf656fd8c4af21aa07236fbbb92ec4cea9f38bcf4502e2c06515.png
I was the top for a little while,
But yeah… lack of sleep eventually made me miss a few too many.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/20d06fe448e735406e507988d2df838a19d9612cc232df7fb4baf5f24cf9df69.png
And if you’re wondering what I could possibly be saving all these orbs and feathers for? …. Tellius. OTL
Interesting, although not feasible for me haha.
So you basically tried to not sleep during the whole week or only for the third round? As you got also the 3k feather from being top 1k overall I guess you also did fully vote during round 1 and 2. :[
I wonder if you can score better with Minerva with the same insane strategy (I do think you can be ranked with no flags for round 1 if you don’t miss any single game..)
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e066004fe0c59a5615378141305c5fde4ef2de581bbd728ff341202c406f104b.png
Yeah, as you can see I ranked in the top 50 world wide for the entire competition. I have sort of a technique of sleeping for 2 hours when the gauntlet round ends, but it’s really not a healthy thing I’d advise for anybody. Plus if everybody did what I did, I wouldn’t make it into the top anymore 😛
I started in Camilla and got 9500 feathers for the whole event 😉
Round 1 3000
Round 2 1800
Round 3 2100
Total rank 2600
Yeah, I thought it might have been possible for Cordelia to win, but I guess the token fanservice lady does stand out on top. I only went for Camilla in the end because of a coin toss. I actually went through this tournament style, flipping a coin for each one. The final two were Camilla and Palla. Camilla got the lucky Tails.
I always hate tournaments like these because I can’t help but love the characters that won’t win – last time I went with Eirika so that obviously didn’t end so well, and this time was worse – I can’t help it, Palla’s Heroes design is adorable.
next gautlet will feature old men from the series.
Wrys vs Jagen vs Gunter vs Riev vs garon vs Athos vs Marcus
Best Gautlet
Proof? Oh, right, you have no proof, because you don’t work for Nintendo. Also, sick-o!
I knew what the result was going to be but I chose to go with my favorite of the group rather then the surefire win.
Not a freaking shock this round was so badly made it hurts expect the same results for every singular popular character inserted in these that’s why I don’t take these contests seriously…the first round is obviously the best one and the winner was justifiable and more logical why.
The 1st and 2nd round really determines in.
What even does this comment mean
I meant that its only the first two rounds where we usually find real competition and stakes are more interesting. First Gauntlet had the epic battle between Ephraim and Chrom in Round 2. This Gauntlet likely had some nice fights with other characters if they weren’t Camilla.
Of course Camilla won, as expected, and it so happens that I voted for her. Victory is ours, fellow Camilla fans! For the glory of her boo-I mean…for the glory of the Nohr Empire! Yeah, that’s better.
Oh man, nobody could’ve predicted this outcome!
Still, went with all the losing teams, because if you play it smart, that yields a lot more feathers.
Looks like the day of the aftermath of the voting gauntlet is going to be a dull one. But then, that update is going to be quite interesting.
Meh. Kinda obvious FE13/FE14 trash will continue to dominate these contests. Kinda surprised Minerva made it that far actually.
Or maybe not so considering who she was put up against.
I chose Camilla from the start. No surprise she won. Best thing about it was that the Wyvern Rider pull netted me a 5-star Minerva. Heck yes! Plus with more Great Badges, I’ll have what I need to make a 4-star into a 5-star… finally.
Tits vs Character
Tits won apparently :/
Oh look, boobs won…I’ll never understand why anyone LIKES big boobs…Really just sucks Hinoka (I love her so much) was paired with Camilla first round, really killed it for me >.>
UK gets a t-shirt : /
Of course boob chick won.
wow a lot of elitists here salty over a damn mobile game lol
Well, we can see this new focus will be Alm’s group focus, so I am waiting for Celica’s group Focus banner in the future. Maybe in May, near the US release date of the game.
I knew that Alm would show up here just for Nintendo to easily market Echoes….I should’ve known better!
Also its gonna be out in Japan in 8 days.
No Celica yet…..:( I’m gonna go for Alm but disappointing…
They are probably saving her for the banner immediately after. Don’t forget they need to accommodate Echoes releasing a month later in the West. Meanwhile in Japan, most people will have finished Echoes by then, but the game (and waifus) will be fresh in their minds.
No Celica yet…..:( I’m gonna go for Alm but disappointing not a fan of Faye at all Claire I’ll try if I don’t get Alm…
If you noticed, this focus banner have only Alm’s path units and the
Paralogue is called “World of Shadows”. Probably in a near future we
will see a Celica’s path units Focus Banner, with a “Return to World of
Shadows” Paralogue.
Of course there’s gonna be Celica one also you realize there’s “yet” in my sentence know that’ll come later.
Man, it’s a bummer Gaiden has no playable axe units, because if there’s anything I’m really in need of, it’s Green-type units. I don’t really have need of more swords (especially) and lances. Bows… maybe. I do want them, but I feel like I’d just be throwing my orbs away.
Aww, so is the Merging Allies also passing down any extra skills still not added in?
Well, now that I have Spring Camilla and Spring Xander, I guess it’s impossible for me to get the rest of the Spring characters. I might as well save those orbs for Alm and the rest of the characters from Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes, probably, maybe.
I noticed that the link with the text “fire emblem heroes” leads you to FE Echoes, may wish to fix that.
Thanks. Got too much Echoes on the brain right now, haha.
In Echoes, the Archer class is exclusive to male characters. So… Faye being a archer is strange… She can only be a Cavalier, a Mage, a Pegasus Knight or a Cleric.
Python looks a lot like Camus…
@Suicunesol:disqus Python is the archer, Zeke is the one who looks like Camus.
I’m more questioning why Zeke, aka Camus, has Gravidus on him. He lost that in Archanea after being defeated by Marth. So why would Zeke have the same weapon that’s legendary and only 1 exists? Don’t tell me some ancient person make a duplicate one as well. :/
I was asking myself the same question… I was pretty sure Hardin kept it? Maybe the artwork is not consistent with the game (but if Gradivus actually appears as an item, a new canon explanation may be needed).
You think they should make a remake of Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem? I do hope so. If possible, i would like it with characters designs done by Hidari, a similar gameplay and a better story for the sake of Archanea’s saga completion!
There already IS a remake of Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem. Its FE11 and 12. Are you saying we should have a Remake OF a Remake?
I know, I know, I’m just saying that these remakes deserve a little of love, after all, they didn’t do very well during their releases, even FE12 wasn’t localized! It’s just for a chance to make the entry that gave birth to Marth a better one!
That is true. Shadow Dragon had the weakest gameplay EVER. Like, seriously. Not only that, but there were no real base conversations or support until FE12, and that game was declining in sales that made Awakening be the final game until Awakening brought back the franchise.
That’s what I’m talking about, actually it can even be a remake of FE3 with book 1 and 2 on it with major focus on multiple characters, like abel, cain, even tiki and her status as a divine dragon! More importantly, we have to consider this: Intelligent System follows a certain pattern, since Hidari was selected for the design of Echoes it would be fitting to put it on FE3/FE11/FE12 since they’re all related!
Actually, rather than make a remake of a remake, why not make a remake of Genealogy, the sacred story of Fire Emblem history that fanboys have shrines built on. Or better yet, the Elibe series. Or even try to maybe continue a story with Magvel.
We all want it, as do I, I was giving an example like FE Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, they’re related, have a similar if not the same gameplay and the same character designer!
We have the 2018 game coming out as well, and for all we know, that could be a remake too, if not a new game altogether.
Possibly!
I agree with pretty much everything said above. The more remakes, the better, I guess! (As for the Gradivus thing, I didn’t even know it was in Gaiden, so I apologize for my ignorance.)
If the opportunity rises, I want them to complete the whole Archanea saga, after all, a remake of a remake is still possible since Pokemon does it everytime. You know: Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire and the enhanced remake Pokemon Emerald AND Pokemon ORAS!
Jugdral stuff after IS is done with Archanea properly.
Besides, they can use this opportunity to unravel some of Grima’s origins, just like the rumor of it appearing in echoes as well!
Its not a rumor, its for real. And possibly. The more the unravel stuff about Grima, the better it is for Awakening.
If IS wants money, yes. A proper remake and re-telling of Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem. It’s also the perfect excuse for them to make FE series amiibo of Marth, Caeda, Kris and Tiki. It could also try to tie in more stuff with Awakening.
Right? It would be very cool if they could do it but they need convincing, not just from their sales but from people’s opinion as well!
Gradivus (Gradius) appeared in the original Gaiden, as well, so…at least it’s a consistent inconsistency, I guess?
Maybe the explanation is that this Gradivus is a replica made because Zeke found the design familiar… That’s the way I would explain it.
….KAMUIS AMIIBOOOOOS -dies-
*Corrin
I’m sorry, but the way DLC has been handled over the past few games… I don’t like it. I really, really don’t like it. And this game is just doing the exact same thing. It’s so formulaic, it hurts.
Completely agree. Its so frustrating. At least this time there aren’t a bunch of the strongest classes locked behind expensive DLC. IMHO DLC should only have some maps for grinding and fan service. Specialty classes and challenging late-game maps should be in the main game.
A $15 eShop card says we’ll never get the Series 4 maps worldwide. I mean, I’m glad it looks like they’ll finally be recognizing Cipher, and I hope you can recruit Emma, Shade, Yuzu and/or Lando, but really, what are the chances they’ll give these four characters that, knowing Nintendo, will be treated as though the rest of the world doesn’t even know exists to all of us? We never got the Bond Festivals for Fates, and they’re already moving on to Echoes so I doubt we ever will get them. I’m desperately hoping I’m wrong and they’ll use Echoes to test the waters for the Ø Characters to see if the TCG will take off worldwide, but I doubt it.
I still want to get the Fire Emblem Cipher game translated. I know it probably won’t happen, but seriously. With the fact that we have Animal Crossing Amiibo Cards – I’d be satisfied if we simply got card versions that react with the N3DS Scanners of each character.
Yeah, I’ve been desperately hoping for it for at least a year now. Really, I’m luckier than most non-Japan-based players – I happen to live in the vicinity of a small group of FE diehard fans who are also into the card game, so we can get together and play every week. It’s fun, and I both feel really sad for the people who want to play it with people they know but can’t and really really REALLY wish for #WorldWideCipher.
They going to release a female Corrin amiibo, but not a female Robin… *sighs*
I can see them maybe going back to add the alternate models of characters like Robin and Wii Fit Trainer. I can also see it *not* happening, though…
I hope they do if that’s the case!
I eman, it would only earn them MORE money…